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NICE, GOOD MORNING DEVELOPMENT.
JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY FOR THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FOR MARCH 15TH, 2023.
TODAY WE'LL BE MEETING TO DISCUSS CHAPTER 28, THE SIGNS AND BILLBOARD ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND UPDATING THAT DOCUMENT WILL START OFF WITH THE TRANSLATION SERVICES AVAILABLE.
JEREMY, YOU WANNA DO THE ROLL CALL? YES, SIR.
KAREN CARPENTER, JACK TMORE AIR.
WE HAVE 10 PRESENT FOR TOWARDS QUORUM.
WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE ALTERNATES ALONG WITH THEIR PRIMARY, UH, ALTERNATES.
DEFINITELY CAN, UH, SPEAK AND PROVIDE INSIGHT TO THE BOARD FOR ANY DISCUSSION.
UH, BUT ANY VOTES WOULD GO TO THEIR PRIMARY AS LONG AS THE PRIMARY'S HERE.
UM, MR. RUSS MIGHT HAVE TO STEP OUT BEFORE WE WE MOVE INTO ANY ACTIONABLE ITEMS. AT THAT POINT, MR. ROSS WILL TAKE THE VOTE.
I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY TO USE THEIR MICROPHONE WHEN SPEAKING FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING LIVE AT HOME OR RECORDING AT A LATER TIME.
HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE FULL BOARD MEETING ON FEBRUARY 16TH, 2023 AND THE SIGN CODE COMMITTEE MEETING ON MARCH 14TH, 2023? YES.
IF SO, COULD I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
PRIOR TO MOVING TO THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS, IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT TO THE BOARD? ANY COMMENTS ABOUT SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS AND CODE CHANGES? SECTIONS CAN BE BROUGHT NOW OR DURING THE AGENDA ITEM.
THE COMMENT PERTAINS TO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE COMMENTING.
YOU WANNA, I KNOW YOU SPOKE
YEAH, SO I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, WAS REQUESTED TO WAIT FOR A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM.
OR A SPECIFIC SECTION WITHIN THAT AGENDA ITEM.
THEN LET'S BEGIN WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS. ALRIGHT.
UH, CHAIR, GIMME JUST ONE MINUTE.
MY DEPUTY DIRECTOR JUST ARRIVED.
UH, WANNA TALK TO HIM QUICK? THAT'S BEFORE WE MOVE STARTED.
WE'LL SPEAK AMONGST EACH OTHER.
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ALL RIGHT.SO, ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION.
UH, THE PRIMARY REASON WE'RE HERE IS TO REVIEW ALL PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 28 SIGNS AND BILLBOARDS THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY THE SIGN CODE COMMITTEE AND TAKE ACTION ON ALL AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 28.
SO, I WANNA GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
I KNOW THIS BOARD, UH, WE JUST FINISHED UP WITH CHAPTER 10.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S REAL HEAVY ON WHAT THIS BOARD SEES.
UH, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A FEW ITEMS COME BEFORE THE BOARD REGARDING TO CHAPTER 28, THE SIGN AND BILLBOARD CODES.
BUT, UH, I WANT TO KIND OF MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF SOME SIGNIFICANT ITEMS, UH, WHEN WE DISCUSS THEM TODAY AND HAVE SOME, SOME REFERENCE POINTS.
SO, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
UH, WE'VE HAD THIS CODE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
THE FIRST TIME WE DID A MAJOR CHANGE TO IT WAS IN 1994.
AND AFTER THAT, IT SAT THERE FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.
UM, AND THEN, OR ACTUALLY, YEAH, UM, ALMOST 20 YEARS.
UH, SO THAT'S A CITY COUNCIL RE REQUEST THAT WE, UM, COME BACK AND REVIEW IT AND UP, UM, UPDATE IT.
SO, A SIGNIFICANT UPDATE WAS TAKEN OVER IN 2015 THAT LASTED FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
OFFICIALLY, UH, WAS VOTED ON AND APPROVED IN 2017.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER THE JULY 3RD, 2017 VERSION OF CHAPTER 28.
AND THEY ALSO ASKED THAT WE KIND OF PUT THAT IN THE SAME CYCLE AS THE U D C.
SO PRIOR TO, PRIOR TO COVID, WE WOULD'VE BEEN SITTING HERE IN 2020 AT THE SAME TIME AS THE U D C.
BUT JUST LIKE THE U D C, WE PUSHED IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
SO WE CAN GET BACK INTO PERSON TO REVIEW ALL THESE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNS IN BILLBOARDS.
UH, THERE, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT ITEM THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S, UH, UNDERSTANDS.
'CAUSE IT KIND OF IN YOU KIND OF DIVIDE THE, THE CHAPTER 28 INTO TWO SIGNIFICANT THINGS, WHAT WE CALL BILLBOARDS OR OFF-PREMISE SIGNS AND WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO IN ON-PREMISE SIGNS.
SO AN OFF-PREMISE SIGN IS BILLBOARDS.
ANY TYPE OF SIGN YOU SEE THAT IS ADVERTISING ANYTHING THAT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY ON THE PROPERTY THAT IT'S THE SIGN IS LOCATED AT.
SO IT HAS THE RIGHT TO DO ADVERTISEMENTS FOR A, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE CONTRACTED TO PROVIDE SOME FORM OF ADVERTISEMENT ON A, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO REALLY HAVE A PROPERTY BEYOND JUST WHERE THE SIGN IS AT.
DON'T NEED TO HAVE A STORE PROVIDING THOSE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE ADVERTISING.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL PREDOMINANTLY CALLED BILLBOARDS.
THERE'S A COUPLE, FEW DIFFERENT SIZES OF THOSE BILLBOARDS WE HAVE.
WE REGISTER THEM, THEY GET ANNUAL PERMITS THERE.
THERE'S, UH, CURRENTLY 875 OF THOSE IN THE CITY.
AND THERE'S REAL STRICT REGULATIONS ON THEM.
THEY'RE ALL CALLED NON-CONFORMING USE UNDER THE U D C.
SO THE INTENT OF CHAPTER 28 IS TO ACTUALLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF BILLBOARDS.
THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE CITY WHEN THEY'RE ASKING US TO, TO LOOK AT CHAPTER 28 IS THEY WANT LESS BILLBOARDS.
SO THERE'S MEASURES TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE BILLBOARDS.
UH, BUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE DOWN ANOTHER SIZE BILLBOARD TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE.
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UNLESS IT'S GOVERNMENT ACTION.IF, UH, THE GOVERNMENT COMES IN AND WIDENS A ROAD AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO RELOCATE THEIR BILLBOARD ON THE SAME PROPERTY, THEY CAN GET CREDIT TO RELOCATE THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A PROTECTED AREA.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF HIGHWAYS AND EXPRESSWAYS THAT HAVE SPECIFIC PROTECTIONS THAT SAY NO BILLBOARDS ON THAT.
WE HAVE A GATEWAY CORRIDOR ALONG 1 51.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S NO BILLBOARDS ALONG THERE BECAUSE SINCE IT GOT CREATED, THAT THAT PROTECTION'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
WHERE OTHER OVERLAYS, THERE'S BILLBOARDS THERE THAT WERE THERE BEFORE THE PROTECTION GOT IMP UH, ADDED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T ADD NEW ONES THERE.
SO THE BILLBOARDS, THE OFF-PREMISE SIGNS, THEY HAVE REGULATIONS THAT ALLOW THEM TO DO THE ADVERTISEMENTS OFF OF WHAT'S PROPERTY THERE, BUT THEY CAN'T REALLY BE MOVING AROUND.
SO A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC TODAY ARE BILLBOARDS.
THE OTHER ONE IS ON-PREMISE SIGNS.
SO ON-PREMISE SAVINGS IS KIND OF THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.
IF YOU ARE SELLING PAINTS, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SIGN ADVERTISING PAINTS ON YOUR PROPERTY.
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ANYWHERE ELSE ADVERTISING IT.
IT HAS TO BE DIRECTLY ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING THAT SERVICE.
IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AT THAT LOCATION, EVEN IF IT'S THE SAME COMPANY THAT OWNS IT, THEN YOU CAN'T ADVERTISE THAT.
SO WHAT YOU FIND ON THAT SIGN, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FIND DIRECTLY ON THAT PREMISE.
UH, IT'S KIND OF THE CUTTING SHORT.
I KNOW WE HAVE A VERY LONG DEPTH DEFINITION WITHIN CHAPTER 28, 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF.
BUT, UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DISCERN ON SOME OF THESE PROPOSED CHANGES.
SO JUST KIND OF A BRIEF UPDATE ON, ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO THE SIGN CODE COMMITTEE MET 11 TIMES, UH, STARTING IN, IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR.
SO THIS WAS ABOUT A YEAR PROCESS.
UH, WE FORMED THREE WORKING GROUPS.
UH, THOSE THREE WORKING GROUPS MET A TOTAL OF 11 TIMES.
UH, TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS WERE MET, WERE HELD PRIOR TO THE START OF THIS PROCESS.
IN ADDITION, WE ALSO HELD SIX COMMUNITY MEETINGS AFTERWARDS.
UH, BEFORE WE DID FINAL VOTES ON A FEW SIGNIFICANT ITEMS. WE WANTED TO GET A LOT OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
WE ALSO DID AN ONLINE SURVEY, UH, FOR ONE OF THESE ITEMS TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, BEFORE TAKING ACTION AT THE COMMUNITY AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE MEETING TO DISCUSS 25 OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
AND I'LL GO OVER THE TOTAL, UH, OF THOSE 32.
SO 32 OF THOSE, NOT ALL OF THOSE NEED TO BE TAKEN ACTION.
SOME OF THEM, THE, THERE WERE MORE KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE REQUESTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL, AND THEY PROVIDED SOME ADVISORY, UH, TO THE CITY ON HOW TO DO THINGS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
BUT THEY'RE NOTABLE ITEMS FOR ADJUSTING OUR AMENDING CHAPTER 28.
SO ONLY 25 OF THOSE WERE AMEN AMENDABLE TO CHAPTER 28.
AFTER WE LEAVE HERE, UH, WE ARE SCHEDULED TO GO TO THE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE ON MONDAY THE 20TH AT 10:00 AM.
SO WE'LL BE TAKING ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS BOARD TO THAT MEETING.
AND FROM THERE THEY, OF COURSE, UH, WE'LL RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES.
RECOMMEND THAT WE GO TO FULL COUNCIL, OR THEY COULD ASK THAT WE GO BACK FOR MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR COME BACK TO THIS BOARD.
SO AT THAT POINT, IT'S IN THE, UH, P C D C, WHICH IS A COMMITTEE OF THE CITY COUNCIL HOLDS FIVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AS PART OF THAT COMMITTEE.
ONCE WE GET PAST THAT TWO FULL CITY COUNCIL, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH CHAPTER 10 CITY COUNCIL, ONCE THEY APPROVE IT, WE ALWAYS TRY TO GIVE A GRACE PERIOD FOR ANYBODY THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO THEY CAN KIND OF, UM, MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED BEFORE WE GO LIVE WITH THAT FINAL DATE.
SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AT THIS COMMITTEE LEVEL THAT WE DID, UH, WITH THIS CHAPTER 10.
SO ALL THE CHAPTER TENS, OF COURSE, WE CREATED DIFFERENT, UH, COMMITTEES OF BOARD MEMBERS AND ALL THOSE COMMITTEES AND WERE MADE UP OF BOARD MEMBERS UNDER CHAPTER 10 AND 28.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ADD NON APPOINTED MEMBERS, NON APPOINTED BEING MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT APPOINTED BY COUNCIL TO THE BOARD CAN BE VOTED ON BY THE COMMITTEE TO BE ADDED TO THAT COMMITTEE.
TO KIND OF ADD SOME ADDITIONAL INSIGHT, UM, AS I KIND OF MENTIONED, THIS IS VERY TECHNICAL BOARD.
UH, WE'RE ADOPTING CODES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SEEING A VERY RIGOROUS CYCLE OF ACROSS THE NATION.
BUT SIGN CODE IS VERY DIRECT TO SAN ANTONIO.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SAN ANTONIO DOCUMENT.
WE DON'T REALLY PULL FROM OTHER CITIES UNLESS WE'RE JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE.
SO WE NEED A LOT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
SO ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS WE DID WAS WE TRIED TO ASK THE COMMITTEE TO FIND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE INTERESTED TO SIT IN ON THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND PROVIDE SOME COMMUNITY INPUT.
UH, SO WHAT WE HAD WAS WE HAD BIANCA MALDONADO WITH THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, GREG MANN, WITH RESA CALLING WAGA SPEC WITH NORTHSIDE NEIGHBORS HOODS OF ORGANIZED DEVELOPMENT MEMBER, AND PATTY ZIONS, WHO WAS A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY.
SO SHE PROVIDED SOME OF THE NON-TECHNICAL INSIGHT, UH, FOR THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW.
ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THIS IS THEY'RE NON-VOTING MEMBERS.
SO THEY CAN SIT IN, THEY CAN DISCUSS, UH, THESE MEETINGS WERE VERY OPEN.
WE ACTUALLY MET DOWN HERE AND NOT UP ON THE DAIS, SO EVERYBODY COULD KIND OF SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THESE.
UH, THEY'RE PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY THEIR VOTES DID NOT COUNT.
SO IF, UH, THEY WERE AGAINST ANYTHING, THE COMMITTEE VOTES WERE THE ONLY ONES WHO, ONES WHO WOULD MOVE THIS FORWARD.
BUT WE DID ASK FOR THEM TO PROVIDE INSIGHT EVERY SINGLE TIME.
'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE THAT AWARE TO THIS BOARD, AND WE'LL MAKE IT AWARE TO THE P C D C OF ANY TIME.
THERE WAS NOT A UNANIMOUS DECISION, BOTH
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ON COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND NON APPOINTED MEMBERS.AND WE'LL GO OVER THAT HERE A LITTLE BIT.
UH, SO WE HIGHLIGHTED THOSE, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE HERE IN A SECOND.
BUT THE ACTION TAKEN ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
SO WE HAD THE 32, UH, 22 RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
UH, TWO WERE WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANTS FOUR.
WE TOOK NO ACTION BY THE COMMITTEE.
SO THE COMMITTEE DECIDED THAT THERE WAS NO RECOMMENDED CHANGE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO THOSE AREN'T REALLY AT THIS POINT.
Y'ALL CAN PULL THEM, BUT IF I'LL DO THE CONSENT AGENDA, THOSE WOULD NOT, UH, CHANGE.
THERE ARE NO, RIGHT NOW, NO CHANGE TO CHAPTER 28.
AND THEN FOUR THAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED NOT TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING COMMITTEE ACTION ITEMS WERE TAKEN WITHOUT THE NON APPOINTED, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS UNANIMOUS SUPPORT.
SO, OUT OF ALL THE 32 THAT WE TOOK ACTION ON, THE ONLY THREE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE UNANIMOUS FROM THE COMMUNITY GROUP WAS, UH, ON-PREMISE DIGITAL SIGNS ALONG THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
AND I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT ONE.
UM, A PERMANENT EXEMPTION FOR 32 SQUARE FOOT TEMPORARY SIGNS WITHIN URBAN CORRIDORS.
AND STAFF IS GONNA RECOMMEND THAT WE PULL THAT ONE TO DISCUSS.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT ONE.
AND THE LAST ONE WAS, UH, NICE SKY FRIENDLY LIGHTING STANDARDS ACROSS.
SO THIS WAS A REQUEST, UH, THAT, UH, FROM AN APPLICANT THAT WE TAKE THE M L E M O L D MILITARY LIGHTING OVERLAID DISTRICT, UH, WHICH IS KIND OF A FIVE MILE RADIUS ALONG THE THREE MAJOR INSTALLATIONS WE HAVE FOR MILITARY THAT ADD ADDITIONAL LIGHTING REGULATIONS AND EXTEND THAT KIND OF THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY FOR SIGNS.
UH, THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED TO NOT MOVE THAT FORWARD.
UH, SO THAT WAS JUST THE ONLY OF THE ONES THAT, BUT, UH, AT THIS POINT, STAFF ISN'T RECOMMENDING THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT ONE TODAY UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO PULL IT.
UH, THE APPLICANT FOR THAT ONE, UH, WASN'T MADE AWARE.
SO I WANNA GIVE YOU A QUICK, UH, ITEMS TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OF THOSE 32, A LOT OF THEM WERE IN CLERICAL.
UH, I THINK 10 OF THOSE WERE FROM THE CITY STAFF, WHICH WERE MOSTLY CLERICAL IN NATURE.
UH, SO A LOT OF THE CHANGES AREN'T SIGNIFICANT, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT THAT ARE REALLY GONNA IMPACT, I THINK, CITIZENS MORE THAN OTHERS.
AND WE KINDA WANNA HIGHLIGHT THOSE AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S KINDA AWARE OF WHAT THOSE ARE.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
SO, GATEWAY CORRIDORS ARE OVERLAID DISTRICTS THAT PROVIDE SOME REGULATIONS ON DEVELOPMENT ALONG CERTAIN AREAS.
WE HAVE FOUR OF THOSE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
1 51, AS I MENTIONED, IS ONE OF 'EM.
THE VERY FIRST ONE WAS HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
SO THIS RUNS ALONG I 10 FROM U T S A BOULEVARD UP TO THE CITY LIMITS.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED IN JUNE, 2003.
UH, SPECIFIED REQUIREMENTS ON ON-PREMISE SIGNS AS PART OF THAT.
SO ONCE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S VERY BROAD.
IT TALKS ABOUT COLORS, BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, LANDSCAPING HEIGHTS OF BUILDING.
SO IT'S A LONG, A LOT OF ZONING REQUIREMENTS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR TO TRY TO MAKE IT UNIQUE AND KIND OF BRING IN A NICE DRIVE INTO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
YOU KNOW, BACK THEN, YOU KNOW, I 10 16 0 4 WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE NON-COMMERCIAL, UH, THAN IT IS NOW.
VERY DIFFERENT, UH, REQUIRED, UH, TO FOLLOW URBAN CORRIDOR REQUIREMENTS FOR SIGNS.
AND I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON WHAT THAT MEANS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, SO THAT'S DIGITAL DISPLAY.
SO WHAT IT IS IN, IN THE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE, IS ALLOWING DIGITAL DISPLAYS ALONG THAT HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR FOR ON-PREMISE SIGNS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNS, TALKING SPECIFIC TO AN INDUSTRY THAT'S, UH, GOT A BUILDING THERE.
AND UNDER THE 2003 ORIGINAL VERSION, THEY ADOPTED WHAT WE CALL URBAN CORRIDORS, WHICH IS ANOTHER OVERLAY.
AND THOSE URBAN CORRIDORS SAID IF YOU'RE ALLOWED A CERTAIN SIZE AND SIGN, UM, THE BIGGEST BEING 300 SQUARE FEET.
SO IF YOU HAVE A SIGN THAT SERVES MULTIPLE TENANTS, SO IF YOU HAVE ONE PROPERTY THAT HAS THREE OR FOUR BUSINESSES ON IT, THAT'S A MULTI-TENANT OF TWO OR THREE OR MORE, YOU CAN HAVE UP TO 300 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
BASED ON THIS, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE 25% OF THAT BE DIGITAL UNDER THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 75 SQUARE FEET.
SO THE LARGEST SIGN YOU WOULD SEE ALONG THERE FOR DIGITAL WOULD'VE BEEN 75 SQUARE FEET.
IN 2015, UH, THERE WAS A COUNCIL REQUEST THAT WE MODIFY THE HILLER GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT WAS THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN COMMERCIALS, SPECIFICALLY THE NODAL CHANGE BETWEEN 1604 AND I 10, UH, KIND OF SURROUNDING THAT LITTLE INTERCHANGE RIGHT THERE.
THEY WANTED TO MAKE THE REG REGULATIONS OF BUILDINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT A LITTLE BIT LESS, UH, TO HELP BRING IN, UH, PEOPLE TO U UTILIZE THAT AREA.
WHEN THEY MET, THEY WENT TO THE ZONING COMMITTEE.
UH, D S D PREVE PRESENTED THIS TO THE ZONING COMMITTEE AFTER DOING COMMUNITY RESEARCH, OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND, AND MEETINGS.
AT THAT MEETING, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE ZONING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THE CHANGE OF DISALLOWING ON-PREMISE DIGITAL SCIENCE.
SO THAT HAPPENED AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH THEN IMMEDIATELY WENT INTO CITY COUNCIL AND WAS APPROVED.
AT THAT POINT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD'VE SHOULD'VE STOPPED THAT.
KIND OF WENT BACK AND SAID, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
WE DON'T HAVE SIGN CODE INDUSTRY HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE BUSINESS INDUSTRIES HERE.
THAT WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL INTENT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND SO CURRENTLY UNDER THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR, DIGITAL SIGNS ARE PROHIBITED ALONG THE ON-PREMISE SIDE, WHATEVER WAS THERE BEFORE
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IS APPROVED AS GRANDFATHERED IN, OR, YOU KNOW, NON-CONFORMING.UH, BUT ANYTHING AFTER THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE ALLOWED SOME PERMITS TO GO THROUGH.
UH, EVEN ON THE STAFF SIDE, WE, WE WERE NOT AWARE OF ALL OF OF THESE CHANGES.
SO BETWEEN 2015 AND ROUGHLY ABOUT 2020, WE ALLOWED FOUR SIGNS TO BE PERMITTED AND INSTALLED.
SO THERE'S CURRENTLY FOUR DIGITAL SIGNS THAT WERE INSTALLED AND ONE THAT IS CURRENTLY INSTALLED BUT NOT ALLOWED TO BE TURNED ON.
'CAUSE WE KIND OF CAUGHT IT AT THAT LAST ONE.
SO WE HAVE FIVE DIGITAL SIGNS THAT ARE OUT THERE, UH, THAT ARE KIND OF IN FLUX, UH, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT ACTIONS ARE TAKEN MOVING FORWARD.
UH, BUT AS SINCE THEN, SINCE WE'VE BEEN CORRECTING THAT, WE NO LONGER ALLOW DIGITAL SIGNS.
SO THE REQUEST CAME IN THAT WE REEVALUATE THAT AND DETERMINE CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL VERSION OF ALLOWING 25 PERCENTAGE OF THE, OF THE ALLOWED SIGN AREA TO BE DIGITAL OR NOT.
UM, THIS IS, UH, THE NEXT ITEM.
LET ME TALK ABOUT THAT ONE MORE TIME REAL QUICK.
SO WE HAD A WORKING GROUP ABOUT THAT.
THE WORKING GROUP, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LANGUAGE CHANGE.
THE WORKING GROUP WENT SITTING THERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF LANGUAGE WE'D LOOK AT.
REALLY, IT WAS DISCUSSING THE ERROR THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE WITH NOT NOTIFYING THE INDUSTRY, HAVING MORE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
SO THE BIG REQUEST WAS THAT WE DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THAT.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE HAD TWO MEETINGS.
ONE OF THEM AT LEON SPRINGS ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR ONE HERE.
LOOK AT ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT RUN ALONG THAT GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
WE SENT OUT 731 LETTERS TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS, NOTIFYING THEM, UH, THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING OF THE MEETING DATES AND HOW TO GET AHOLD OF US EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR THE, YOU KNOW, 10.
BUT WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK.
ULTIMATELY, WE HAD, UM, NINE, NINE PEOPLE SHOW UP.
SO WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY AGAINST IT, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T GET A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP IN SUPPORT OF IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TAKE THAT IN.
BUT THOSE WERE KIND OF THE REQUESTS FROM THE WORKING GROUP.
BASED OFF OF THAT, THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH AMENDING, UH, CHAPTER 25.
AND WE'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL 'CAUSE THIS MIGHT GET INVOLVED WITH ZONING.
SO THE NEXT SIGNIFICANT ONE IS DIGITAL CONVERSIONS OF BILLBOARDS.
SO NOW WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM ON-PREMISE SIGNS TO THE BILLBOARDS.
UH, SO DIGITAL SIGNS, EVERYBODY'S SEEN THESE, I THINK ACROSS THE CITY.
NOW, NOT ALL OF THEM, OF COURSE, ARE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, CASTLE HILLS, BALCONES HEIGHTS, A LOT OF LONG FOUR 10 AREA I 10 AREA.
A LOT OF THEM ARE INSTALLED THERE.
THOSE ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
WE DON'T HAVE RE REGULATIONS OVER THOSE.
TECHNICALLY WE ONLY HAVE 25, UH, DIGITAL FACES ACROSS 14 STRUCTURES.
BUT THIS ALL STARTED BACK IN 2007.
UH, THERE WAS INDEPENDENT ORDINANCES THAT WERE CREATED TO ACTUALLY MAKE THESE CONVERSIONS.
ORIGINALLY, IT WAS ALLOWED THAT 13 SINGLE FACES, SO THE SIGN INDUSTRY COULD TAKE THEIR ORIGINAL STRUCTURES WITHIN WHAT WE CALL A PRINTED OR STATIC SIGN AND CONVERT THAT TO DIGITAL ON ONE FACE ONLY.
AND SO, BASED OFF OF THAT 2007, WE HAD 13 SINGLE FACE SIGNS COME, UH, INSTALLED.
AND AFTER THAT, COUNCILOR DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY MORE DIGITAL.
IN 2019, THE SIGN INDUSTRY CAME BACK SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD LIKE TO DOUBLE FACE THOSE EXISTING SIGNS.
A TOTAL OF 10 OF THOSE WERE APPROVED.
AND KIND OF ON THE TAIL END OF THAT, ANOTHER COMPANY CAME IN AND ASKED IF THEY COULD DUAL FACE AN EXISTING STATIC SIGN OR PRINTED SIGN.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF END UP RIGHT NOW WITH 25 FACES ACROSS 13 STRUCTURE OR 14 STRUCTURES.
THE GIVE AND TAKE, AS I MENTIONED, IS TAKE DOWNS.
YOU KNOW, AS WE SAID, CHAPTER 28 IS BUILT AROUND THE REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF BILLBOARDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
WE ORIGINALLY, WHEN WE WERE, UH, STARTED TRACKING THIS, HAD ABOUT 2000 BILLBOARDS, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 875.
A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THAT WAS THROUGH THIS DIGITAL CONVERSION.
SO WHAT IT WAS, WAS ROUGHLY A FOUR TO ONE TAKE DOWN.
SO LOOKING AT SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, SIGNS ARE ROUGHLY ABOUT 600 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
SO IF YOU WANNA PUT UP A 600 SQUARE FOOT DIGITAL FACE, AND BY PUT UP I MEAN CONVERT, UH, PRINTED TO DIGITAL, YOU HAD TO TAKE DOWN FOUR OTHER FACES OF THE SAME SIZE.
SO ROUGHLY ABOUT 2,400 SQUARE FEET THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE ONE THAT YOU'RE CONVERTING.
SO THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF REDUCTION IN INVENTORY ACROSS THE CITY TO MAKE THESE DIGITAL SIGNS.
SO REQUESTS CAME FORWARD TO KIND OF CODIFY THAT ALL THESE WERE INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES TAKES A LOT OF ACTION TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
THEY WANTED TO USE THOSE AS KIND OF A TEMPLATE TO SAY, CAN WE DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY FALLS WITHIN CHAPTER 28 AND ALLOWS THEM TO MOVE FORWARD EVERY YEAR WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO COUNCIL ACTION EACH TIME.
FINALLY WAS ANOTHER ONE DEALING WITH BILLBOARDS.
IT WAS A CHANGE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO CHANGE THE HEIGHT OF THEIR BILLBOARDS.
AS I WAS SAYING, THESE ARE ALL NON-CONFORMING.
SO THAT MEANS THEY CAN'T MODIFY THEM.
THEY CAN ADJUST THEM, YOU KNOW, KEEP THEM PROTECTED SO THAT THEY'RE NOT A HAZARD.
UH, YOU KNOW, DO STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS THEY AGE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, UH, STAY VIABLE AND, AND DON'T CAUSE A, UH, ANY, ANY CONCERNS WITH FALLING OR DAMAGE TO THE AREA AROUND THEM.
BUT BEYOND THAT, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE MA UH, SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING WITH THE COMMITTEE, ONE OF THE REQUESTS CAME IN
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FOR SIGNS THAT AREN'T GOVERNMENT ACTION IN THE SENSE THAT THE ROAD IS WIDENED AND HAS TO TAKE IT DOWN.BUT NOW WE HAVE THE FLYOVERS ALL OVER THE CITY, AND A LOT OF THESE FLYOVERS FLYOVERS ARE ACTUALLY BLOCKING THAT SIGN.
SO UNDER THE CURRENT NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS, THEY CAN'T RELOCATE THAT SIGN WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE DOWN ANOTHER ONE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, WHAT WE CALL THE TWO FOR ONE APPROVAL FOR RELOCATION.
SO THAT SIGN IS NOW BECOMING LESS VALUABLE.
UH, YOU CAN'T SEE IT, UH, IN A LOT OF PLACES.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF IN ESSENCE A LITTLE BIT OF A GOVERNMENT ACTION, BUT NOT DIRECTLY THE SAME GOVERNMENT ACTION THAT REQUIRES IT TO COME DOWN.
SO WHAT WE ALLOWED IS FOR THEM TO ADJUST THE HEIGHT.
UH, AND I WANNA KINDA TALK ABOUT WHAT THE HEIGHT MEANS.
SO CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE, A BILLBOARD IS ALLOWED TO BE 42 AND A HALF.
SO IF THEY DID DO A RELOCATION PERMIT AND THEY WANTED TO PUT UP A RELOCATED SIGN, THE HIGHEST IT COULD BE IS 42 AND A HALF.
IF THE EXPRESSWAY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ADVERTISE TO IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS WHERE THE SIGN'S LOCATED.
SO FROM BASE OF THE SIGN TO THE VERY TOP IS 42 AND A HALF.
WHEN THE EXPRESSWAY IS ADJACENT IN ON THE SAME LEVEL, IF THERE'S AN INCREASE ON THE EXPRESSWAY FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S JUST AN EMBANKMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE IT CURRENTLY UP TO 60 FEET.
SO IF THE EXPRESSWAY IS 20 FEET, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO TO 62 AND A HALF, THEY CAN ONLY MAX OUT AT 60.
SO IF THE EXPRESSWAY IS UP AT 30, 40, 60 IS THE MAX, AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A RELOCATION OR, YOU KNOW, TYPE PERMIT.
THEY CAN'T JUST TAKE AN EXISTING PER, UH, SIGN AND BRING THAT UP.
THE REQUEST IS TO MAKE, TO MODIFY THAT TO, WE'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWING THEM TO GO TO 85 ON SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN OBSTRUCTED BY NEW ROADWAYS.
UH, THE REQUIRING BEING, BEING THAT THEY PROVIDE US DOCUMENTATION THAT THEIR SIGN WAS THERE PRIOR TO THIS FLYOVER, UH, THAT THEY SHOW HOW THEY'RE BEING OBSTRUCTED BY THIS NEW, UH, ROADWAY THAT WASN'T THERE WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY INSTALLED THE SIGN.
AND THEY'RE STILL LIMITED TO BE ONLY A MAXIMUM OF 10 FEET ABOVE THAT, THAT OBSTRUCTION.
SO IF THE OBSTRUCTION AT 30 FEET, THEY CAN'T TAKE THEIR SIGN UP TO 85 FEET, JUST TAKE TO 85.
BUT 85 WOULD STILL BE THE MAX.
SO NO MATTER WHAT, THEY CAN ONLY MAX OUT AT 85.
UH, WE PULL THAT NUMBER FROM THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.
SO STATE ALLOWS 85 FEET AS THE HEIGHT FOR MAXIMUM.
UH, SO WE'RE KIND OF EXTENDING IT AND IT'S ONLY FOR THOSE SPECIAL SCENARIOS.
OTHER SIGNS, ANY RELOCATION, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE STILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 60 FEET IF THEY'RE BEING CONSTRUCTED JUST BECAUSE THE ROADWAYS HAVE A HIGHER GRADE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO I APOLOGIZE, I PUT THESE OUTTA ORDER, SO I'M GOING BACK TO THE DIGITAL CONVERSION.
UH, SO THE PROGRAM THAT WE, UH, ARE GONNA PRESENT TO THE COMMITTEE OR TO THE BOARD THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE IS A THREE YEAR CONVERSION PROGRAM.
UH, THEY STILL KIND OF WANT TO HAVE US COME BACK AND REVISIT THIS AT THIS THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN CHAPTER 28.
SO IT'S LIMITED TO THREE YEARS.
IT'S A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT DIGITAL STRUCTURES PER YEAR.
SO A TOTAL OF 24 OVER THAT THREE YEAR PER PERIOD, THE TAKE DOWN RATIO.
SOME REASON THAT DIDN'T COME THROUGH, BUT THE TAKE DOWN RATIO STAYS THE SAME FOUR TO ONE.
UH, DIGITAL CONVERSION IS DONE AT ONE DIGITAL PHASE FOR FOUR PRINTING PHASE TAKE DOWN RATIO.
UH, SO ARTERIO STREETS, YOU KNOW, EVEN, YOU KNOW, BANDERA SAN PEDRO, SOME OF OUR LARGER INTEL OR ARTIO STREETS ARE NOT ALLOWED EXPRESSWAYS ONLY, AND THEY'RE PROHIBITED IN THE NE NEAR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO WE HAVE SPECIFIC AREAS ALONG DOWNTOWN THAT WE DEFINE WITHIN THE CODE THAT IS PROHIBITED.
UH, IT'S PROHIBITED ALONG 2 81 FROM ROUGHLY THE QUARRY INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UH, ANY HISTORICAL DESIGNATED AREAS, UH, AND THEN ALSO THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
THOSE ARE KIND OF AREAS THAT ARE PROHIBITED FOR THE DIGITAL CONVERSION, BUT ANYWHERE ELSE WOULD BE ALLOWED.
UM, SO MOVING FORWARD, UH, I KNOW WE MET YESTERDAY WITH THE COMMITTEE.
I SENT OUT ALL THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO EVERYBODY TO REVIEW.
THERE WERE SOME ITEMS THAT WERE STILL PENDING COMMITTEE ACTION.
SO I JUST WANNA KIND OF REVIEW THOSE QUICKLY.
UH, THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR FOR ON-PREMISE DIGITAL SIGNS, UH, AS WE WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING THAT 25% OF THE AREA WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL FROM THE COMMITTEE AT A TWO FOUR, UH, TWO FOUR ON THE COMMITTEE VOTE.
ONE AGAINST, AND I ALREADY MENTIONED, UH, DID NOT RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM THE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS.
UH, THE DIGITAL CONVERSION OF PRINTED ARE STATIC OFF-PREMISE BILLBOARDS.
UH, ITEM SEVEN DASH ONE RECOMMENDED, UH, RECEIVED, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL 3 4 0 AGAINST AND RECEIVED, UM, APPROVAL FROM THE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS AND THE EXCEPTION, UH, FOR SMALL TEMPORARY SIGNS, UH, THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA.
AND WE'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE THAT DID NOT, UH, WE DID NOT TAKE ACTION ON THAT ONE.
SO, UH, THERE'S, AT THIS POINT, NO RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE IT AT THE BOARD LEVEL.
SO AT THIS TIME, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE I'M, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE, ANYBODY CAN DISCUSS WHAT ITEMS THEY WOULD LIKE TO PULL AND DISCUSS INDIVIDUALLY AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE WOULD VOTE ON CONSENSUS.
UH, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO PULL THE, UH, SMALL SIGN ORDINANCE.
I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME.
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IN A SECOND SO WE CAN HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD.UH, BUT THE, THE ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DID NOT GET FULL APPROVAL FROM THE APPOINTED, UH, NON APPOINTED MEMBERS OF ALLOWING PERMIT OR REQUIRING PERMITS FOR SIGNS OF 32 SQUARE FEET OR LESS, AND THEN ALSO THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S SOME ZONING ITEMS THAT MIGHT COME UP FROM THAT.
SO WE WANNA DISCUSS THAT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PULL AND DISCUSS OUTSIDE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? GO AHEAD, MARK.
I DON'T WANT TO PULL, BUT I WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE DIGITAL CONVERSION.
IS THAT IN THE AREAS THAT IT IS PROHIBITED, WE ALSO GAVE EXTRA CREDIT FOR TAKE DOWNS WITHIN THAT AREA.
SO YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE DOWN LESS BILLBOARD, LESS THAN FOUR TO ONE IF YOU'RE TAKING THEM DOWN IN THE RIGHT AREAS.
TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE SIGNS TO COME DOWN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ON THAT CORRIDOR COMING INTO DOWNTOWN, NEAR HISTORIC AREAS AND, AND ARTERIALS.
GET 'EM OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, SIR.
MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE RECORD.
MR. AND MR. LEY, UH, JEREMY, CAN I ASK, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF A SIGN WE'RE TALKING THAT APPLIES TO BILLBOARDS, BUT NOT ON-PREMISE SIGNS? THAT IS CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL ASKING IF WE CAN REEVALUATE THAT AND THEN KIND OF THE REASON WE DIDN'T.
ONE, THERE'S A LOT MORE OF THOSE, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO WE WOULD START SEEING THE SIGNS POP UP A LOT HIGHER, AND ALSO THEY HAVE MORE FREEDOM.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
SO THEY COULD, IF THEY GET OBSTRUCTED BY A, A ROADWAY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT INCONVENIENT, BUT THEY HAVE, THEY CAN MOVE THEIR SIGN ALONG AROUND WHERE A BILLBOARD COULD NOT, YOU KNOW, A BILLBOARDS STATIONARY ALLOW WITHOUT HAVING TO PULL DOWN ANOTHER ONE.
SO IT'S JUST NOT APPLES TO APPLES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE MADE IT SPECIFIC TO THE BILLBOARDS.
UH, THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE THE TXDOT IN NOVEMBER OF 2021 APPROVED I 35 FOR A A DOUBLE HY QUARTER.
KINDA LIKE WHAT'S GOING THROUGH AUSTIN.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY DESIGNS, THAT SECOND LEVEL IS ABOUT 35 FEET HIGHER, THEN THE CURRENT GRADE OF I 35.
WHICH WOULD, WOULD MEAN, DO, DO YOU USE THE BASE OF THE NEW HEIGHT OF THE UPPER LEVEL IN CALCULATING YOUR HEIGHT? OR DO YOU GO FROM THE GROUND LEVEL BELOW IT? IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO DEFINE SPECIFICALLY.
I MEAN, ONCE WE KNOW WHAT ROADWAY WE'RE GONNA USE, WE, WE HAVE VERY GOOD LANGUAGE OF WHERE THAT ADJACENT, YOU KNOW, GRADE SHOULD BE MEASURED AT.
UH, BUT WE WORK WITH THE SIGN INDUSTRY AND THE ONES THAT OWN THAT BILLBOARD TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT IS THE ENGAGED ROAD AND THE INTENT.
AND WE, WE EVALUATE THAT EACH TIME IT TAKES DIRECTOR'S KIND OF APPROVAL.
UH, IT'S NOT JUST AN AUTOMATIC.
SO IT'S, IT DOES GET EVALUATED EACH TIME.
BUT THE 85 FEET IS FROM THE BASE OF THE SIGN, CORRECT? EXACTLY.
BUT IN OTHER WORDS, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE SIGN IS THE 85 OR THE 65 IS FROM WHERE IT HITS THE GROUND.
AND TO BE RAISED, SO IF YOU HAVE A BILLBOARD THAT'S UP AT, AT 60 FEET RIGHT NOW OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND THE HIGHWAY RISES TO 30 FEET AND THE BILLBOARD'S STILL VISIBLE FROM THE, THE TOP ROADWAY, THEN IT COULDN'T YEAH.
I MEAN, WE REALLY SEE THE FLYOVERS, THIS IS MOSTLY TO DEAL WITH FLYOVERS, WHERE, WHERE IT GOES 50 OR 60 OR 70 FEET UP IN THE AIR AND THE SIGN.
AND A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE THERE'S A SIGN AT THE FOUR TEN TWO EIGHTY ONE JONES MUSBURGER JONES TO THE RIGHT.
THAT IS LIKE, THE SIGN IS HALF UP AND HALF DOWN AND IT'S REALLY A TRAFFIC HAZARD.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA ALLOW IT TO, YOU KNOW, BE RAISED SO THAT IT'S NOT YEAH.
AND I ALSO WANNA CLARIFY THAT WE DID EXCLUDE THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR THAT.
SO WE WOULD DO, OH NO, WE HAD THE DOUBLE DECKER AREA, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THE HEIGHTS OF SCIENCE IN THAT DOWNTOWN KIND OF PROTECTED AREA.
SO WE DID EXCLUDE, UM, ALL THE EXPRESSWAYS THAT KIND OF MAKE THE CIRCLE AROUND, UH, DOWNTOWN FROM BEING ALLOWED TO COME UP.
SO EVEN IF THEY STARTED INSTALLING FLYOVERS THERE, THOSE WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE, THE RIMS OF THIS, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT PERMIT.
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WANTED TO, IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS OR PULL? ANYBODY? ANYBODY HAVE A SPECIFIC ITEM? LIKE, I ALREADY PULLED THE HOOK IN YOUR GATEWAY QUARTER.
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GOING TO ANYWAY, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN MORE DETAIL.IS THAT ALL GOOD? THREE OF THE, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE HERE, NON APPOINTED MEMBERS, SO, ALRIGHT.
SO REAL QUICK, I LEMME PULL THOSE EXACT NUMBERS SO WE CAN DOCUMENT THOSE ON THE TOOL THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A CONSENSUS VOTE ON THE OTHERS.
SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER, YOU'RE GONNA PULL THE EXACT ONES OUT, JEREMY? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO IT'LL BE TWO DASH ONE AND COSA EIGHT.
THOSE ARE THE HERE TWO ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO PULL TO DISCUSS.
THOSE ARE THE ONES STAFF WANTS TO PULL, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND I THINK UNLESS THERE'S AN, SO THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION.
SO BOARD HAS TO APPROVE THAT IF THERE'S ANY, IF BOARD'S OKAY WITH THAT.
IF NOT, THEN IF Y'ALL CAN TAKE ACTION ON THEM WITHOUT PULLING THEM.
SO THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE TWO DASH 1 71 AND 11 ONE WAS ALREADY MENTIONED.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE Y'ALL SOME DETAILS ON THOSE.
WE DIDN'T, UNLESS THE BOARD MEMBER WANTS TO PULL THOSE.
THE ONLY TWO RIGHT NOW THAT THAT RECOMMENDED TO PULL ARE THE COSA EIGHT AND THE TWO DASH ONE.
AND JEREMY, CAN YOU JUST, WHAT, WHAT'S THE ENGLISH VERSION OF THOSE NUMBERS? THE, IT'S THE HILL COUNTRY VERSION.
THERE'S CORRIDOR, THERE'S THE GATEWAY, IT'S THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
AND THE EXEMPTION FOR REQUIRING PERMITS ALONG THE URBAN CORRIDOR FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS OF 32 SQUARE FEET ARE SMALLER.
SO ARE WE READY TO MAKE YEAH, UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS THE CONSENSUS? AS LONG AS THE BOARD'S OKAY WITH THAT, THOSE TWO.
ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S THE BOARD, SIR.
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS ANYBODY WANTS TO PULL OR DISCUSS? IF NOT, CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE CONSENSUS? YEAH.
UH, RON KAMAN, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO CHAPTER EIGHT.
IT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE SIGNED CODE COMMITTEE, EXCLUDING THE FOLLOWING PROPOSAL AMENDMENTS TO REVIEWED ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
AND THAT IS, UH, SUBMITTAL ITEM TWO DASH ONE AND COSA EIGHT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? CAN CAN HE, IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S CHAPTER 28, SAID EIGHT, CHAPTER EIGHT.
OH, DID I, I APOLOGIZE, I, I'M SORRY.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE CONSENSUS WITH THE ITEMS THAT WERE PULLED.
SO I THINK WE CAN START WITH, UH, ITEM COSA EIGHT.
I'LL TRY TO PULL THAT UP HERE.
SO THIS WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT FORWARD BY STAFF THINKING IT WAS A CLERICAL MISS ON THE 2017 VERSION CHANGE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SIGN STANDARDS SPECIFIC TO A PROTECTED OVERLAY, WHICH IS THE URBAN CORRIDOR.
SO WE HAVE VARIOUS URBAN CORRIDORS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT HAD SPECIFIC SIGN REQUIREMENTS.
UH, IT WAS WHAT WAS USED FOR THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR OF THE 25% REQUIREMENT FOR DIGITAL ON-PREMISE.
AND THE REQUIREMENT WAS, ONE OF THEM WAS YOU HAD TO PULL THE PERMIT FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TEMPORARY SIGNS, THESE ARE SIGNS THAT CAN ONLY BE UP FOR FIVE YEARS.
THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE 32 SQUARE FEET.
UM, A LOT OF THESE ARE GENERALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY, IN THE, IN THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY OF A LARGE SIGN YOU MIGHT PUT UP FOR LIKE A SUBDIVISION.
UH, SO THEY'RE USUALLY 32 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE THEY'RE MADE OUT OF, UM, AA BY FOUR, UH, PLYWOOD.
THE, IN 2017, THEY MADE THE CHANGE TO WHERE
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IF YOU WERE 32 OR LESS, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PULL THE PERMIT.YOU STILL HAD TO BE A REGISTERED CONTRACTOR, STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU JUST DIDN'T HAVE TO COME PULL A PERMIT.
BUT THEY, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A MIST WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE IT CHANGED HERE UNDER THE URBAN CORRIDORS.
BUT WHEN PRESENTING TO THE COMMITTEE, UH, THE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD FACTS THAT, WELL, THESE ARE PROTECTED AREAS.
WE WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE OVERSIGHT FOR THESE PROTECTED AREAS THAT YOU HAVE TO COME AND PULL THE PERMIT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING 100% PROPERLY.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY INSTALLS SOMEWHERE ELSE, ONE OF THESE WITHOUT A PERMIT, BUT THEY'RE NOT DONE IT PROPERLY AND WE'RE MADE AWARE OF IT, WE CAN COME IN THERE AND HAVE IT REMOVED UNDER CHAPTER 28 STILL.
BUT WE WOULDN'T CATCH THAT INITIALLY.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, EITHER US DRIVING AROUND CATCHING IT THROUGH CODE OR SIGNS OR A CITIZEN, UH, SUBMITTING A COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT SIGN WHERE IF WE HAVE TO REQUIRE A PERMIT, THEN THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTATION.
NOT A WHOLE LOT, NOT LIKE SIGN ENGINEER DRAWINGS, BUT JUST SOME DRAWINGS OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE ON THE LAND IT'S GONNA BE AT.
SO SITE MAP WHERE IT'S GONNA BE AT SO WE CAN CHECK FOR EASEMENTS AND STUFF SUCH AS THAT.
AND ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF IT AND HOW WELL IT'S INSTALLED AND MAKE SURE IT'S ALL PROPERLY, UM, OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, POWER LINES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, BUT WE WOULD, ONCE IT'S INSTALLED, ALSO GO BACK OUT AND CHECK IT.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OVERSIGHT FOR THOSE.
SO WHILE WE THOUGHT IT WAS MORE OF A CLERICAL CATCH, THEY DID BRING UP, YOU KNOW WHAT, NO, THESE ARE PROTECTED AREAS.
WE DO WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE OVERSIGHT.
NOW DURING THE COMMITTEE MEETING, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD MOVED SO FAR ALONG IT GOT VOTED ON, BUT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO RECONSIDER THAT.
AND STAFF PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE JUST KIND OF KEEP IT ON WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY THAT REQUIRED A PERMIT IF YOU WENT 15 OR HIGHER.
UM, OR IF YOU'RE OVER 15 SQUARE FEET, THEN YOU HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT.
NOW PERMIT PROCESS NOW WE'VE MOVED TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD SA SO IT CAN BE DONE ONLINE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE TO DO IT.
WE DO A QUICK REVIEW OF IT, MAKE SURE YOU'RE GOOD ON THE SITE PLAN, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, UM, FOOTINGS AND DEPTHS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEN ALSO GO OUT AND CHECK IT AFTER IT'S INSTALLED.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE DO WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.
UH, SO OUR RECOMMEND OUR, WE WANNA PULL THIS AND, AND HAVE THE BOARD RE REEVALUATE WHETHER WE TAKE THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE OF SAYING IF YOU'RE 32 SQUARE FEET OR SMALLER, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT PERMIT AND CHANGE IT BACK TO WHERE IF YOU'RE, UH, OVER THE 15 YOU REQUIRE THE PERMIT.
SO THAT'S THE REQUEST TO THE BOARD.
DO WE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? GO AHEAD.
STATE YOUR NAME WHEN YOU MARK ROSS.
WOULD THIS INCLUDE SIGNS THAT ARE LIKE WHAT I CALL FREESTANDING ON LIKE AN, UH, A TEE WHERE THEY'RE JUST PUT UP AND THERE'S SANDBAGS, LIKE THE, THE PROPERTIES FOR LEASE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR JUST STUFF THAT'S INSTALLED IN THE GROUND? YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THOSE WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THEY GET TOO BIG TO BE FREESTANDING, EVEN WITH SANDBAGS.
SO THOSE WOULD NOT MEET THE INTENT.
SO THEY WOULD'VE TO BE A SMALLER SIGN AND NOT FALL UNDER THAT.
BUT LET ME TURN IT OVER TO ART.
DO YOU HAVE SOME GOOD FEEDBACK? THERE'S, YEAH, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE, THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE GROUND.
IT DOESN'T STATE THEN IT, OH, NOT IN THIS SECTION, BUT IT DOES SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THERE.
I MEAN, THERE'S TONS OF SIGNS THAT ARE FOUR BY EIGHT.
THEY, THEY SIT ON AN EIGHT FOOT POLE ABOVE GROUND.
AND THAT'S, AND IF A T BAR, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN IS A T UPSIDE, YOU KNOW, UPSIDE DOWN T MM-HMM.
ART, CAN YOU SPEAK TO, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO HAVE THE SKID SIGNS? SURE.
THE ART CITY SAN ANTONIO SIGN DIVISION, THOSE ARE CONSIDERED THE SIGNS THAT ARE LIKE ON THE SKID.
TECHNICALLY THAT'S A, A PORTABLE SIGN BECAUSE THEY CAN BE MOVED FROM WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
SO WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO NOT ALLOW THOSE.
HOWEVER, THEY FALL UNDER THE 32 SQUARE FEET AS AN INCIDENTAL SIGN.
SO WE DON'T REQUIRE PERMITS FOR THOSE.
BUT WITH THIS CHANGE, IF THEY'RE IN THE URBAN CORRIDOR, THEN WE
SO ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF THE UNIFORM EVERYWHERE ELSE OUTSIDE OF URBAN CORRIDORS AND THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDORS OR THOSE GATEWAY CORRIDORS.
'CAUSE THEY REFERENCE THIS SECTION OF THE CODE.
IF THEY'RE 32 OR LESS, THEN THEY DON'T REQUIRE THE PERMIT.
WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THESE MORE PROTECTED CORRIDORS THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE THE PERMIT.
UH, THE CODE CHAPTER 28 IS DIVIDED IN THE PRE ON PREMISE AND, AND NOT ON PREMISE OR OFF-PREMISE, WHATEVER.
IS THIS REFERENCING ON-PREMISE SIGNS? SO IF IT'S ON MY PROPERTY OR IS THIS JUST FOR, UH, OFF-PREMISE? UH, WELL THIS FALLS UNDER TEMPORARY SIGNS, WHICH I THINK ARE KIND OF A HODGEPODGE.
BUT THESE WOULD TECHNICALLY BE ON-PREMISE OR OFF-PREMISE.
ON-PREMISE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ADVERTISE THAT ON MY OWN PROPERTY.
I, MY, FROM MY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S MY PROPERTY.
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DON'T LIKE HAVING DIFFERENT STANDARDS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.UM, AND, UH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE ADOPTED AS, UH, AS IT CAME OUTTA COMMITTEE AT 32 FEET.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT?
IS THERE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION ON TEMPORARY SUNS? CORRECT? YEAH, THERE, IT'S 16 FEET, I BELIEVE WITHOUT HAVING TO GET AN ENGINEER'S DRAWING.
AND THEN AFTER THAT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT.
SO, SO NO MATTER WHAT, ANY OF THESE EXEMPTIONS, ONCE YOU GET ABOVE 12 FEET, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER'S SET OF DRAWINGS IN A PERMIT REQUIRED, DO WE NEED A MOTION? YEAH, WE'RE GONNA NEED A MOTION ON IF WE, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, WE, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, ON ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
REST I'D MOVE, UH, THAT WE APPROVE THE LANGUAGE AS IT CAME OUTTA COMMITTEE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ON THE OVER 32 SQUARE FEET.
IS THAT CORRECT? MR. REST? OKAY.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
I KNOW WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT WANNA COME TO SPEAK ON THAT.
SO WE PROBABLY, I, I THINK STAFF'S PRESENTED SOME INFORMATION ON IT.
LY HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE INSIGHT AND WE PROBABLY WILL IN REGARDS TO THE ZONING REQUIREMENT.
UH, BUT LET'S JUST START WITH THE OVERALL TAKEAWAY OF, YOU KNOW, THE REQUEST OF JUST FOR CONVERTING IT BACK TO WHETHER, UH, THE 2003 VERSION OF THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR, WHICH ALLOWED THE REDUCTION IN SIZE OR NOT, UH, OR JUST KEEPING IT AS IS UNDER THE 2015.
SO, UM, LARRY WANTED ON THIS ONE.
JEREMY, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE THIS? YES, SIR.
SO EVERY OTHER CORRIDOR IN THIS, THAT, THAT'S A SCENIC CORRIDOR, WHATEVER THE CORRIDORS ARE, HAVE ONE RULE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE AREA, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THE OTHER GATEWAY CORRIDORS USE MORE OF THE GUIDELINES OF THE ORIGINAL 2003 VERSION AND ALL REFERENCE BACK TO WHAT WE CALL THE URBAN CORRIDORS, WHICH GIVES THAT STIPULATION.
YOU'RE ALLOWED DIGITAL SIGNS AT 25% OF THE, OF THE AREA ALLOWED AREA, UH, SPACE.
THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS, CAME BACK AND CHANGED, UM, AT THE 2015 VERSION.
I'M PRESIDENT OF AETNA SIGN GROUP AND I'M ALSO HERE REPRESENTING THE SAN ANTONIO SIGN ASSOCIATION, THE TEXAS SIGN ASSOCIATION.
MY INDUSTRY WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED, UH, IN THE 2003 CODE WHERE WE AGREED TO, UH, DROP ELECTRONIC SIGNS DOWN FROM 375 SQUARE FEET TO A MAXIMUM OF 75 SQUARE FEET AND ALSO DROP, UM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM SIX 50 TO 300.
UM, THIS CODE WAS CHANGED WITHOUT INCLUDING ANY STAKEHOLDERS, WITHOUT INFORMING OUR INDUSTRY, WITHOUT INFORMING ANYONE, UH, ANY STAKEHOLDER THAT, UM, USES SIGNS.
NONE OF US WERE INFORMED, UH, HAVE SERVED ON CODE COMMITTEES IN MULTIPLE CITIES THROUGHOUT TEXAS AND HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY CODE CHANGES DONE WITHOUT THE STAKEHOLDERS BEING INCLUDED.
SO, UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE WEREN'T INCLUDED AND, UH, THE ITEM WAS NOT PULLED.
UH, REALIZING THAT, UH, NONE OF US WERE, UH, INVOLVED IN THE DECISION TO ELIMINATE ELECTRONIC SIGNS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR.
AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN, UH, GET APPROVAL AND TO TAKE THIS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY, UM, GET BACK WHAT, UH, WAS AUTHORED IN 2003, WHERE UP TO 75 SQUARE FEET WAS ALLOWED.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
DID ANYBODY WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS?
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UH, EACH, EACH GATEWAY CORRIDOR YOU PLEASE, UH, EACH GATEWAY CORRIDOR, STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.EACH GATEWAY CORRIDOR SETS THEIR OWN STANDARDS.
UM, MR. AL FEELS IT WAS UNFAIR THAT THIS WAS CHANGED AT A ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
HE POINTS OUT THAT NONE OF THE INDUSTRY PERSONNEL WERE THERE.
NEITHER WERE THE CITIZENS WHO WOULD'VE SUPPORTED IT.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW OR HAVE NOTICE EITHER.
WE HAD A PRIOR WORKING GROUP MEETING IN WHICH I SAID, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
AND, AND SO FOR US TO JUST SAY NO, TODAY WOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN.
IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWING THE COMMUNITY INPUT.
THEREFORE, THIS IS WAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY INPUT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF MESSAGING THAT WENT OUT, UM, THAT MEETINGS WERE VERILY VERY POORLY ATTENDED BOTH BY CITIZENS AND BY THE SIGN INDUSTRY, UH, NOT BY THE SIGN INDUSTRY, BY USERS OF THOSE SIGNS.
THEY DID NOT EXPRESS THAT THEY NEEDED THOSE.
AND I HOPE YOU KEEP THAT IN MIND.
YES, YOU READY? HI, BIANCA MALDONADO RESIDE AT 4 57 CLUB DRIVE WITH THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, AND I SERVED AS A COMMUNITY APPOINTEE ON THE COMMITTEE.
AND I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW 741 LETTERS WENT OUT.
AND I WOULD'VE THOUGHT IF SOMEONE WANTED DIGITAL SIGNS, WE WOULD'VE HAD THOSE OWNERS, THOSE OPERATORS WHO HAVE PROPERTY OUT THERE THAT THEY WOULD'VE SHOWN UP AND SAID, WE WANT DIGITAL SIGNS.
GUESS WHAT? THEY WEREN'T THERE.
NOR DID WE GET AN OVERWHELMING SAYING WE DON'T WANT THEM.
WE DID HAVE ONE ORGANIZATION THAT CAME UP AND SAID THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THEM.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU, WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE IS NOT SOMETHING I SUPPORT, WHICH OPENS UP ON-PREMISE DIGITAL SIGNS.
WHAT I DO SUPPORT IS THE, UM, OPTION THAT, UH, ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS THE FIVE THAT THE CITY PERMITTED AN ERROR TO BECOME NON-CONFORMING.
AND SO I THINK WE HEARD FROM THE GENTLEMAN, UH, FROM THE SIGN INDUSTRY WHO TALKED ABOUT THAT CHANGE THAT HAPPENED AT THE ZONING COMMISSION.
HOW OFTEN ARE STIPULATIONS ADDED AT ZONING COMMISSION HEARINGS THAT MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL WHERE NO ONE WAS PRESENT, HAPPENS EVERY DAY? I THINK THE OTHER, UH, KEY CRITICAL ISSUE IS IT ALSO WENT TO A CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE.
SO IT WAS NOTICED TO THE PUBLIC IN THREE AREAS.
THE INDUSTRY WASN'T THERE AT THE ZONING COMMISSION HEARING, I WENT BACK AND WATCHED IT AND YES, IT WAS AN AMENDMENT BY THE DISTRICT EIGHT ZONING COMMISSIONER IN THAT AREA TO INCLUDE A BAN FOR ON-PREMISE DIGITAL SCIENCE.
AND SO IN TAKING ALL THE INFORMATION IN FROM A BALANCED PERSPECTIVE AND GOING BACK IN THE CITY, THANKING THEM FOR NOTIFICATION TO THE AREA, ALL THE LANDOWNERS, ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WHO SHOWED UP, WHO SPOKE, I THINK WHAT CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT I THINK I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD APPROVE TODAY.
I ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE OPTION THAT ALLOWS THOSE FIVE SIGNS, UH, TO BECOME NONCONFORMING AND MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK THAT IS A BALANCED REPRESENTATION OF ADDRESSING THE ISSUE BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS REQUEST HAD WE NOT HAD THOSE FIVE NON-CONFORMING.
SO I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD PUT THAT FORWARD AND HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE OPTION.
UM, MS. MALDONADO, UH, GIVE ME SOME INFORMATION.
YOU SAID YOU SENT OUT 741 LETTERS AND NOBODY PARTICIPATED IN IT.
TO WHAT AREA, WHAT KIND OF NOTIFICATION THAT WAS A CITY.
UM, SO LET ME, ALONG THAT QUARTER JET, CORRECT.
TREATED IT LIKE A ZONING CASE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD, THEY LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AT A JSS AND LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AND LOOK AT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, UNDER BEAR, BEAR CAD, UH, FOR THEIR ADDRESS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR PLUS I THINK 200 SQUARE OR 200 FEET ON, ON EITHER SIDE.
SO OF THE TWO MEETINGS, WE HAD A TOTAL OF NINE ATTENDEES.
UM, ONE OF THEM WAS A GROUP OF THREE THAT CAME, UH, FROM KERSHAW, UH, BUSINESS RIGHT THERE.
VILLE VILLE, UH, BUSINESS RIGHT THERE IS 1604.
UH, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, UH, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING BLOCKED BY THE NEW OVER FLYOVER.
SO THEY WERE ACTUALLY THERE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT THEM? COULD THEY, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME CHANGES.
UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW THAT SIGN UNDER THE, UNDER THE 2015 INTO NON-CONFORMING.
SO THEY REALLY COULDN'T MODIFY IT, COULDN'T MOVE IT ALONG ON THEIR PROPERTY, COULDN'T RAISE THE HEIGHT OF IT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, WE HAD TWO THERE FROM THE DOMINION.
THEY DID EXPRESS CONCERNS WITH DIGITAL.
THEY DIDN'T WANT DIGITAL ALONG,
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UH, ALONG THAT INTER, UH, STATE THERE.THAT'S BOTH ON-PREMISE AND THE OFF-PREMISE DIGITAL CONVERSION.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR TO AS AN EXEMPTION, UH, FOR THE DIGITAL CONVERSION OF THE BILLBOARDS.
UH, WE ALSO HAD IN THE FIRST MEETING, WHICH WAS THE ONE AT LEON SPRINGS ON SITE AT NIGHT, UH, WE ALSO HAD TWO OTHER MEMBERS THAT SHOWED UP.
CITIZENS, UH, THEY DIDN'T SPEAK UP, SO WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UH, HOW THEY, HOW THEY TOOK IT.
AND THEN AT OUR, ON OUR MEETING HERE AT THE OFFICE, THEN TWO DAYS LATER WE HAD TWO INDIVIDUALS SHOW UP FROM INDUSTRY RIGHT THERE.
ONE REPRESENTING THE WI THE RIM, ONE REPRESENTING THE ELON.
UH, BUT THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, FAVOR FOR OR AGAINST, THEY KIND OF JUST CAME THERE FOR INSIGHT TO KIND OF BE AWARE OF WHAT THEIR CHANGES WAS, GET SOME FEEDBACK, UH, BUT THEY DID NOT PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, A ANY SAY OF WHETHER THEY, YOU KNOW, YES, WE WANT THE DIGITAL SIGNS, WE'RE GONNA START UTILIZING THIS IMMEDIATELY, OR WE NEED THIS.
OR ANY CONCERNS WITH, I DON'T LIKE IT JEREMY, JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE SAID A LOT, BUT I WANT TO GET A CLARIFICATION.
UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE IS TO THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR ON 1 51.
SO SOMEBODY COMING FROM THE RIM, NO, I APOLOGIZE.
THAT'S THE 1 51 GATEWAY OR GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR IS THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR, WHICH IS I 10 FROM U T S A TO THE CITY LIMITS.
IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT SINCE THERE'S BEEN SUCH, UH, IF THE NOTIFICATIONS WENT OUT, YOU GOT SUCH ONLY VERY SMALL LIMITED, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? WHY ARE WE CHANGING IT? WHY ARE WE CHANGING IT? IT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE SIGN INDUSTRY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT ITS BASE, THE PROBLEM WAS THE LACK OF FEEDBACK AND COMMUNICATION ON THE INITIAL CHANGE IN 2015.
AND THE GOAL WAS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL WE MISSED THAT, SO LET'S DO THAT NOW, GET SOME FEEDBACK.
AND I THINK THE TAKEAWAY WAS WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF PROPONENTS FOR IT AND WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF PROPONENTS AGAINST IT.
I JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG.
IF THAT MANY NOTICES WENT OUT AND WE HAD VERY LIMITED RESPONSE, HOW, HOW CRITICAL IS IT FOR JUST BECAUSE THE TAIL IS REQUESTING TO CHANGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO RELAY OF, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE NON-POINT COLLEEN WAS BRINGING UP, YOU KNOW, WHILE THERE WASN'T A LOT OF AGAINST, THERE ALSO WASN'T A LOT OF INDUSTRY THERE SAYING, I'M GONNA UTILIZE THIS.
THIS IS WHY I NEED IT TO, YOU KNOW, BOOST MY, MY MARKETING.
I'LL JUST ADD THE TWO THAT HE MENTIONED OF THE INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVES WHO CAME ELIAN, THEY HAVE A DIGITAL SIGN ALREADY THERE.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN IN VIOLATION.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER GENTLEMAN, OF COURSE HAD MORE TECH STOCK CONCERNS, WHICH WE SOUGHT TO ADDRESS IN OTHER, UM, PROPOSAL.
SO, AND I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP AND I APPRECIATE, UH, BIANCA BRINGING IT UP.
SO THIS, WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF WANTED TO TIER THIS AND GET SOME FEEDBACK.
UM, SO AS WE SAID, THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE IT, TO GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS IN 2003, ALLOWING DIGITAL SIGNS, WHICH WOULD KIND OF CORRECT THE ERROR OF THESE PERMITS THAT WERE ISSUED IN ERROR OF THESE, OF THESE FIVE SIGNS.
AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED HERE.
WE ALSO ASKED THE COMMITTEE, LOOK, YOU KNOW, IF THIS DOESN'T PASS OR GET FULL SUPPORT FROM THE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS, WOULD Y'ALL SUPPORT KEEPING IT THE SAME? NOT ALLOWING DIGITAL SIGNS, BUT AT LEAST ALLOWING US TO, TO CLASSIFY THOSE FIVE SIGNS AS NON-CONFORMING, UH, STRUCTURES SO THAT NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO REQUIRE THEM TO TAKE THEM DOWN.
'CAUSE AT THIS POINT, MOVING FORWARD, IF NOTHING CHANGES, WE WOULD'VE TO ENGAGE GOING TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND REQUIRING THEM TO REMOVE THOSE DIGITAL SIGNS.
'CAUSE THEY WERE INSTALLED AFTER 2015.
UM, SO WE DID RECEIVE UNANIMOUS, UH, UH, SUPPORT FROM THE NINE APPOINTED MEMBERS WITH OPTION.
THE SECOND OPTION HERE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST D UH, BUT IT HAS THE FIVE.
WE SPECIFY THOSE FIVE, UH, BEFORE WE CODIFY IT.
WE'LL GO AND GET THE LAST, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT ONE SIGN.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE SIGN THAT'S CURRENTLY TURNED OFF.
UH, SO SINCE THEY'VE INSTALLED IT, WE HAVE NOT ALLOWED THEM TO ACTUALLY TURN IT ON UNTIL THIS ACTUALLY IS TAKEN.
UM, NOW I KINDA MENTIONED ZONING.
SO THIS WAS RIGHT BEFORE CHAPTER 28.
YOU KNOW, UH, THIS BOARD, WE'RE REVIEWING IT, BUT WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM TO SEE WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS AND OUR, YOU KNOW, WHAT STEPS DO WE NEED TO TAKE IF THIS NEEDS TO BE APPROVED.
SO THIS IS A CHANGE TO WHAT'S ALLOWED ALONG THE, THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR, WHICH IS A ZONING OVERLAY.
SO, LEGAL RIGHT NOW IS TELLING US, UM, NO MATTER WHAT OPTIONS WE GO FORWARD WITH, EVEN IF P C D C OR COUNCIL APPROVES IT, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET ZONING COMMITTEE APPROVAL.
UH, SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE 100% SET THAT WE HAVE TO GO THAT WAY, BUT WE'RE UNDER THE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO ZONING WITH THIS RECOMMENDED CHANGE.
UH, SO IT MAY NOT EVEN REALLY BE A CHANGE IN CHAPTER 28 IN THE LONG RUN, BUT WE WANT ACTIONS TAKEN.
SO WE AT LEAST HAVE THAT TAKEN, COMPLETED.
AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS KIND OF GUIDANCE ON, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON, ON BOTH OF THESE, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON
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Y'ALL APPROVE THE ORIGINAL OPTION, UH, WHICH IS TO ALLOW THE DIGITAL SIGNS ALONG THE FULL COUNTRY HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR, IF FOR SOME REASON ZONING DOESN'T APPROVE THAT, OUR COUNCIL DOESN'T APPROVE THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A VOTE FROM THIS COMMITTEE ON RECOMMENDING AT LEAST ALSO SUPPORTING HAVING THOSE BE NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES, UH, WHICH ONCE AGAIN, DID GET FULL SUPPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS.SO, UM, I'LL HAVE LEGAL HELP ME STRUCT A MOTION IF Y'ALL WANNA MOVE THAT WAY WITH THAT.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD HELP US MOVING FORWARD WITH WHATEVER ACTIONS THEY'RE TAKING AT COUNSEL, OUR ZONING COMMITTEE, UH, THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY AT MINIMUM GET THOSE, UH, STRUCTURES TO BE APPROVED SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THEM AND, AND HAVE THEM REMOVED.
JEREMY, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN.
UH, WHY ARE WE MAKING A MOTION THAT MAY GET DEFEATED AT THE ZONING? WHY DOESN'T THE ZONING MAKE A RULING BEFORE THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES AND PILLS? ADVISORY BOARD SAYS, HEY, GO A OPTION A OR OPTION B, I THINK BECAUSE WE'RE GOING, BECAUSE PRESENTED TO CHAPTER 28 IS A RECOMMENDED CHANGE, SO WE'RE JUST STEPPING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT'VE GOTTEN THE CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE ON THIS ONE, UH, POT.
LIKE I SAID, POTENTIALLY IF, IF ZONING APPROVES IT, THEN I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF WE CHANGED IT IN CHAPTER 28 OR IF IT'S CHANGED ON THE OFFICIAL HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
I WOULD JUST SAY AT THIS POINT, SINCE WE'RE MEETING HERE, THE GOAL IS TO AT LEAST HAVE ACTION FROM THIS BOARD.
IT MAY NOT BE ACTION THAT WE CAN OFFICIALLY APPROVE AND ALLOW DIGITAL SCIENCE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT IF FOR SOME REASON, AS, AS WE'RE STILL IN KIND OF DISCUSSIONS WITH LEGAL AND REVIEWING THIS, WE WANT TO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD, UH, TO TAKE THAT ACTION.
JOSEPH HARNEY, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UH, ESSENTIALLY THIS WOULD BE A, A RECOMMENDATION LIKE, UM, SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, OTHERS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST KIND OF MOVING IT DOWN THE PATH FOR THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE ACTION.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE KINDA THE PURPOSE.
SO ARE WE NEEDING TO MAKE A, A FORMAL MOTION ON SOMETHING THAT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION? OR IS THIS JUST, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONSENSUS OF THIS GROUP.
IT, IT WOULD HELP TO HAVE CONSENSUS THAT THE, THE MOTION TO, UM, BASICALLY THAT GIVEN ALL THE, THE EFFORT THAT WAS, UH, TAKEN BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THE OUTREACH, UM, THAT, THAT YOU GUYS BASICALLY ARE, ARE WILLING TO PUSH IT DOWN, DOWN THE PATH TO THE NEXT, UH, THE NEXT STEP.
SO THE REASON I SUPPORTED CHANGING IT BACK IS THAT THIS REALLY ISN'T A DECISION FOR NECESSARILY THIS ASSIGNED COMMITTEE.
IT'S A MORE BROADER THING, THE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, I, THE PROCESS AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS THE, THE INDUSTRY, THE BUSINESSES, THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND EVERYBODY MET FOR MONTHS COMING UP WITH THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR AND REACHED A CONSENSUS OR COMPROMISE ON WHAT THE RULES SHOULD BE.
AND EVERYBODY AT THAT POINT THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE DEAL WAS MADE, EVERYBODY APPROVED IT, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
AND AT THE 11TH HOUR, UH, THE, UM, ONE OF THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS MADE A MOTION TO DO THAT.
AND NOBODY AFTER THAT FACT GOT NOTIFIED THAT A CHANGE WAS MADE.
AND SO WHAT AT LEAST MY VOTE WAS, IS TO PUSH IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT CAME OUT OF THE GROUP, SEND THAT FORWARD TO, UH, THE ZONING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL, GIVING EVERYBODY A HEADS UP NOTICE THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE HEARD.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, ONE OF THOSE OTHER COMMITTEES COULD DECIDE, YOU KNOW, AND GIVE, BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO MAKE THEIR CASE IN PUBLIC AND GO FORWARD.
AND SO THE ONLY WAY REALLY TO DO THAT IS TO ROLL IT BACK TO WHAT THE COMPROMISE WAS WORKED OUT BY THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR TASK FORCE THAT WENT FORWARD TO THE ZONING COMMISSION.
AND THAT THE PROCEDURES FOR STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT FROM THAT DEAL.
I WOULD TELL YOU AD NAUSEAM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID OUTREACH MORE THAN ANY OTHER THING WE'VE EVER WORKED ON IN THAT COMMITTEE.
YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAD FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE WHOLE SIGN CODE, WHICH INCLUDED THE HILL HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
THEY HAD TWO SEPARATE ONES FOR THAT.
UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE COMPLAINT REGISTERED.
YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS THE INFORMATION WE PROVI WERE PROVIDED ABOUT
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THE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS ARE UP.SO NO CITIZENS HAVE COMPLAINED THAT THEY WENT UP, HAD THE CITY NOT CAUGHT THE ERA, THEY WOULD STILL BE GOING UP NOW.
AND, AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WOULD COMPLAIN OR NOT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, PERSPECTIVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, NONE OF ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS IN THE HILL COUNTRY CORRIDOR AREA, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ALL THE DISTRICT EIGHT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL AS PROBABLY NINE, TEN SEVEN GOT NOTIFIED.
NOBODY SEEMED TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CHANGE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF RESPONSE BY BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SUR SURVIVE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY SEE THIS THING AND THEY GET A LONG LETTER AND IT REALLY DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION WAS, IS BASICALLY TO CHANGE IT, RECOMMEND CHANGING IT BACK AND LET IT WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS TO HAVE THAT, ALLOWING THE CITIZENS AND THE BUSINESSES AND EVERYBODY TO SHOW UP IN FORCE AND LET THE COUNCIL MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER THEY WANT TO KEEP IT LIKE IT IS OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WITH STAKEHOLDER INPUT OR LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS.
BUT IT, IT'S, IF YOU DON'T TAKE THIS ACTION, IT'S NEVER GONNA MAKE IT TO THE FOREFRONT.
AND THAT WAS WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS, THE SIGNED COMMITTEE EVENTUAL VOTE, IN MY OPINION WAS, SORRY, YOU PUTTING, YOU PUTTING THAT IN THE FORM OF A RECOMMENDATION MOTION.
SO I'D LIKE TO, BUT UH, BEFORE WE DO REAL QUICK, UH, APOLOGIZE.
SO I GUESS IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO WITH, WELL, I'M GONNA CALL IT NOW D ONE, SO I JUST PUT IT UP THERE.
SO THIS IS A SUBSECTION OF, OF THE ON-PREMISE SIGNS, THE GENERAL SECTION OF ON-PREMISE.
SO IT'S, UH, SUBSECTION D, WE HAVE D ONE AND D TWO.
IF THE BOARD APPROVES D ONE, I WOULD ASSUME THEY ALSO APPROVE D TWO.
WHAT WE WANT IS SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US MOVING FORWARD, IF D ONE GETS STRUCK DOWN, EITHER A ZONING A COUNCIL, THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, WELL, THEY ALSO APPROVED THIS ONE.
CAN Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, CAN WE STEP BACK AND LOOK AT D TWO? SO, AND I THINK IF YOU CAN MAYBE HELP STRUCTURE THAT, THE INTENT IS KIND OF THE MOTION TO BE BOTH.
I'D LIKE TO WE ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE AND ALSO RECOMMEND IF THAT IS NOT APPROVED AT ANY ABOVE LEVEL ABOVE THIS, AND IT IS NOT ADOPTED, THAT THE FIVE SIGNS THAT ARE PUT UP IN D TWO BE ALLOWED TO BE NONCONFORMING SIGNS THAT DO IT, THAT HAS KEPT THE BLESSING OF ILLEGAL.
WHICH, WHICH, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S ALSO TELL 'EM, HEY, WE CAN JUST GO TO D TWO
BRIAN SMITH SECOND THEN DISCUSSION.
GO AHEAD IF WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION MARK.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED WHEN THE, UM, THE CITY REDID THE MASTER PLAN AND THEY ADOPTED THE NEW U D C THAT THE PROVISION WAS IN OH THREE WHEN THAT OCCURRED.
DIGITAL SIGNS WERE JUST NOT REALLY ON EVEN HARDLY BARELY ON THE RADAR.
SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WE'VE HAD SOME STUDY THERE.
AND I REMEMBER, UH, BACK WHEN GOING TO THE COUNCIL WHEN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY GETTING DIGITAL SIGNS APPROVED, AND THERE WAS JUST A LACK OF DATA THAT SAYS, HEY, THESE ARE GOOD OR THESE ARE BAD.
I UNDERSTAND FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT THAT YOU GET YOUR A LOT MORE MONEY OFF A DIGITAL SIGN THAN A FIXED SIGN.
BUT YOUR THING ABOUT, LIKE IN OH THREE, THERE WAS NO HISTORY OR DATA IN THERE.
SO TO ASSUME THAT OH THREE GO BACK LIKE THAT, IT WASN'T OH THREE NO, NO.
IT WAS NOT THE 15 CHANGE, NOT THE YEAH, THE ORIGINAL, THE CHANGE HAPPENED IN 2000.
THE COURT, THE ORIGINAL RECOMME RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TASK FORCE THAT WORKED ON THE HILL COUNTRY, UH, GATEWAY CORRIDOR WAS TO ADOPT THE GATEWAY RULES FOR EVERY, THAT'S EVERYWHERE ELSE.
AND THAT HAPPENED IN 2015, SOMEWHERE AFTER THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE MET, IT WENT TO ZONING, ZONING CHANGED IT.
NOBODY NOTIFIED THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT THE CHANGE WAS MADE.
AND SO THIS WHAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN 2000 TH THREE.
I I THOUGHT THAT THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR AND THE OVERLAYS OCCURRED WHEN THE NEW U D C WAS DRAFTED.
THEY'VE, IT MAY HAVE ALLOWED, I MEAN, THEY'VE DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS, THEY'VE ALL BEEN KIND OF STANDALONE ORDINANCES.
YOU KNOW, THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AS A WHOLE IS IN, WITHIN U D C THAT ALLOWS
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THE CREATION OF THESE GATEWAY CORRIDORS AND PROVIDES SOME GUIDELINES, UM, FOR, CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TERM, UH, BUT THEY JUST KIND OF PROVIDE SOME GUIDELINES.BUT EACH ONE OF THESE OVERLAYS AND, UH, GATEWAY CORRIDORS ARE A STANDALONE ORDINANCE.
UH, SO THE FIRST ONE WAS 2003, WAS THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR, WHICH WAS THEN MODIFIED IN 2015.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CHAIR? THIS IS EMMY AND THOMAS DEVELOPING SERVICES.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT MR. HANLEY'S SAYING IN 2003 DIGITAL SIGNS WERE ALLOWED IN THAT CORRIDOR, AND THEN 2015 IS WHEN THE ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO PROHIBIT THEM, AND THAT'S WHEN THE CHANGE HAPPENED.
SO YOU ARE, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IN 2003, THAT'S WHEN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS SIGNED AND DIGITAL SIGNS WERE ALLOWED.
UH, RON KAMIS AS, AS WE'RE CONSIDERING THE MOTION THAT'S BEFORE US, AND THE IMPLICATIONS THAT WHAT WE DO HERE TODAY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ANY BEARING ON THE TOPIC AT HAND ONCE IT GETS TO ZONING, I THINK IT'S A GOOD AND RIGHT THING FOR US TO CONSIDER THIS MOTION BECAUSE ZONING REALIZES THAT WE'RE EVALUATING CHAPTER 28.
AND SO OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR DISCUSSIONS NEEDS TO BE PART OF THEIR DELIBERATION PROCESS AS WELL.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD AND RIGHT THING FOR US TO DO.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL D ONE WITH THE THOUGHT THAT IF THAT DOESN'T GET THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, THAT THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF OUR APPROVAL OF D TWO.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO, WELL, THE, NOT THAT THE FIVE SIGNS BE ALLOWED AS NONCONFORMING, WHICH IS D TWO D TWO, WE'RE CALLING IT D TWO 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOT ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
HEY JEREMY, BEFORE WE GO ON, I JUST WANT TO THANK, UH, AS THE CHAIR OF THE SIGNED COMMITTEE, ALL THE CITIZENS THAT SHOWED UP TO THE 10 MEETINGS AND THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION THAT WAS, UH, SHOWN IN ALL THE MEETINGS AND THE RESPECTFULNESS AND THOUGHTFULNESS THAT EVERYBODY, UH, GAVE TO THE PROCESS.
AND JUST AS CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE, I'D JUST LIKE TO AGAIN SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT PARTICIPATED.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MEETINGS AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WE HAD QUORUM AND I, I KNOW JACK ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THOSE WHO MADE ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THOSE, JOE LAOS MADE HIM, YOU KNOW, UH, SO EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN SOME OF THE INDUSTRY PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING IMPACTED BY THIS.
SO I, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT.
WE NEVER ONCE HAD A CANCEL A MEETING, UH, BECAUSE OF LACK OF, OF QUORUM, WHICH IS, WELL IT WAS A, IT WAS A TOUGH TO ME, A VERY TOUGH COMMITTEE.
BUT MARK, I THINK, UH, HE ATTENDED MANY MORE MEETINGS THAN, THAN WE DID, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE OTHER, OH YEAH.
MY GOODNESS, THERE WAS, THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH THOUGHT PUT INTO THIS, BUT IT, UH, I THANK, THANK YOU AS A, AS A CHAIR.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT CONCLUDES ALL OUR AGENDA ITEMS. UH, I JUST GOT A QUICK ITEMS TO DISCUSS ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED, UH, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TRAININGS, UH, THAT WERE DUE ON MARCH 31ST.
I KNOW BRIAN'S TAKING CARE OF HIS.
UM, I KNOW I'VE RECEIVED SOME REQUESTS, UH, FROM INDIVIDUALS IN CASE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SEEING THESE MEETINGS COME IN OR THESE, UH, TRAININGS COME IN FOR THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS.
I, I WON'T LIE, I THINK I'M A LITTLE BIT BEHIND.
I NEED TO CATCH BACK UP, BUT I ASKED CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IF THEY COULD PROVIDE ME A LIST OF WHO'S DELINQUENT.
UM, SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE TO KIND OF PULL THAT.
IT'S NOT LIKE A A HEY, HERE'S A QUICK LIST OF WHO'S DE LINK IT, LIKE ON THE FDRS.
UH, SO AS SOON AS I HAVE THAT, I'LL PROVIDE THAT OUT AND TRY TO GET EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED ON THESE TRAININGS.
UM, JEREMY, HOW MANY, IT SEEMS LIKE I DID THREE OR FOUR ONLINE.
HOW MANY TRAINING SESSIONS ARE THERE? I WANNA SAY THAT LAST ONE CALLED 'EM NUMBER EIGHT AND NINE OR NINE OR 10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE DID ABOUT A MONTH AGO, TWO BEFORE THAT.
YEAH, SO I MEAN, I THINK ON THAT LAST EMAIL, IT, IT HAS A NUMBER OF THAT TRAINING NUMBER.
SO YOU SENT US THE THING, WE CAN GO TO THOSE SESSIONS.
YOU, YOU CAN AT LEAST GO TO THOSE.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT LIKE A, UH, A DATABASE OF THE OTHER ONES.
SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO LIKE, SEARCH THROUGH YOUR EMAILS AND FIND THE OTHER TRAINING LINKS, UH, TO GET THERE.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I, I THINK ON THAT LAST EMAIL IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, TRAINING NUMBER EIGHT AND TRAINING NUMBER NINE OR NINE OR 10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
PUT YOUR NAME, COMMENT, AND THEN YEAH, DON'T SET THEM OUT ON THE 30TH
I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA GET THAT.
OH, WELL, I MEAN THESE, THEY ALREADY SENT 'EM OUT.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE THESE, THEY WENT OUT LAST WEEK.
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CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.WITH HOW MANY WERE MISSING? NO, NO, NO, THAT WAS, UH, JUST THE LAST TWO I ASKED THEM FOR.
I MEAN, I THINK THEY JUST WON MARCH 31ST FOR THOSE VERY LAST TWO.
SO TECHNICALLY ARE PROBABLY DELINQUENT ON THE OTHER ONES IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE 'EM.
UM, SO I'D NEED TO GET, I'M JUST ASKING FOR THEM TO GET AEM UP TO DISPUTE THE OTHER ONE.
THAT'S WHY I'VE ASKED THEM TO GIMME, YEAH, I'VE ASKED THEM TO GIMME AN UPDATE OF, OF HOW MANY OR SIGNED OFF FOR MY BOARD SO I CAN REACH OUT TO YOU 20 Y'ALL AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE MISSING AND HERE'S THE LINK TO DO IT.
UH, THEY ALWAYS SEND THOSE EMAILS OUT WHEN I'M JUST SLAMMED WITH SO MUCH OTHER STUFF THAT I, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REALLY TRACK 'EM.
UH, THE OTHER ONE IS THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REPORTS.
I THINK WE STILL HAVE A HANDFUL OF THOSE THAT NEED TO BE WRAPPED UP.
WE HAVE HAD A BOARD MEMBER REMOVED FROM THIS COMMITTEE OR FROM THIS BOARD FOR NOT COMPLETING THIS.
SO THAT IS A VERY, UM, REQ IMPORTANT REQUIREMENT, UH, JUST FOR, UH, DUE DILIGENCE FROM OUR STAFF.
AND THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, REAL QUICK, JUST THE REAPPOINTMENT AND UH, UH, FILLING VACANCIES.
SO I KNOW, UH, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE EMAILED OUT TO EVERYBODY IN REGARDS TO THAT TO START APPLYING.
I WILL SAY IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ALREADY PART OF THE, UM, CARRYOVER GROUP, WHICH IS MORE THAN HALF OF Y'ALL, UH, YOU DON'T NEED TO APPLY.
UH, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T TAKE ACTION ON CARRYOVER NOW.
THEY'LL PROBABLY PUSH BACK ON ME.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WON'T TO GET SOME, SOME GOOD, UM, INITIATIVES TO TRY TO GET, UM, REAPPOINTMENTS AND HAVE EVERYBODY BE THERE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNICAL STUFF THAT COMES TO THIS AND WE DO BENEFIT FROM HAVING, UH, SOME LONGEVITY ON THAT.
SO, UH, I'M NOT GONNA PUSH BACK ON COUNCIL.
BUT WE ALSO DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING TO ATTEND THIS BOARD.
UH, LIKE WE DO A LOT OF OTHER BOARDS IN THE CITY.
I'M ALWAYS KIND OF SCRIMPING, UH, BUT THE ACTION'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UH, SO CITY COUNCIL'S GONNA GET REELECTED, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND ELECTION ENDS, I THINK IN MAY.
UH, SO WE WON'T EVEN KNOW WHO OUR NEW, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BE UNTIL MAY.
THEN THEY HAVE TO GET OUT AND GET ACCLIMATED IN, BROUGHT IN THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS AND THEIR INDIVIDUAL ONES ARE USUALLY TAKEN FIRST.
UH, SO A LOT OF THOSE BOARDS WILL GET RECONVENED.
THEY USUALLY BEGIN THAT IN JULY.
UM, SO WE WON'T EVEN REALLY KINDA GET LOOKED AT BY CITY CLERK'S OFFICE UNTIL LATE JULY, UH, TO START ADDING SOME REAPPOINTMENTS OR FILLING SOME VACANCIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT DURING THAT TIME, WHAT I'M GONNA BE TRYING TO DO IS, UH, JOIN EACH ONE OF Y'ALL'S, UH, ORGANIZATIONS.
TRY TO GO TO THOSE MEETINGS, BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, USUALLY SEND EMAILS OUT, TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK.
WE DON'T USUALLY GET A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS THAT WAY.
UH, MY GOAL WILL PROBABLY BE TO ACTUALLY GO TO THESE MEETINGS, UH, THAT ARE THERE.
KIND OF TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
GOOD THING IS A LOT OF THIS IS BEHIND US NOW.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE WE HAVE A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT ADVISORY ITEMS COME THROUGH.
UH, PROBABLY JUST BE A FEW APPEALS.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I'LL ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO TO THOSE MEETINGS, IF Y'ALL COULD, YOU KNOW, JOIN ME UP THERE AND KIND OF JUST TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT MEANS TO BE ON THIS BOARD AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UH, TRY TO FILL SOME OF THESE VACANCIES.
UM, OR YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, HELP COUNSEL AT LEAST SAY, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOME, SOME REPLACEMENTS FOR OUR CARRYOVERS.
IF NOT, THEN I WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE ALL THE CARRYOVERS THAT I HAVE THAT SHOW UP TO THESE MEETINGS THAT HELP ME MEET MY QUORUM.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS OR REPORTS? NO SIR.
STAFF, ANYBODY? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT THEN.