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          OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          UM, FIRST I JUST WANT TO GIVE A QUICK MESSAGE TO OUR VIRTUAL ATTENDEES. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          UM, CURRENTLY YOU ARE IN SORT OF OUR, UM, LOBBY AND SO WE CAN'T SEE OR HEAR FROM YOU AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, JUST SIT TIGHT. 
          UM, KEEP AN EYE ON THE AGENDA. 
          IF YOUR CASE IS CALLED UP FOR DISCUSSION, I WILL SEND YOU A REQUEST TO BECOME A PANELIST. 
          UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO UNMUTE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR PRESENTATION AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, I'D 
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LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JUNE 7TH, 2023. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. 
          FISH. 
          HERE. 
          SAVINO. 
          HERE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          HERE. 
          MOOKA. 
          HERE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          HERE. 
          GRO. 
          HERE. 
          CERVANTES BAKER FETZER. 
          HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM, THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT. 
          THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE AS NECESSARY. 
          APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. 
          WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY T IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, FIRST, A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE H C R C SCHEDULE. 
          UM, SO, UM, THE SCHEDULE'S AVAILABLE ONLINE, UM, IT HAS A SERIES OF, UH, APPLICATION DEADLINES WITH THE CORRESPONDING HEARING DATE. 
          UM, IF, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT SCHEDULE, UM, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE JULY 5TH DATE WAS MARKED AS TENTATIVE. 
          UM, THAT'S USUALLY ONE THAT WE END UP HAVING TO CANCEL DUE TO EITHER QUORUM ISSUES OR JUST PEOPLE TRAVELING AND BEING UN UNABLE TO ATTEND THE HEARING. 
          UM, SO THAT HEARING HAS BEEN CANCELED. 
          SO, UM, THE NEXT, UM, HEARING AFTER LEMME LOOK AT THE CALENDAR, WILL BE JUNE 21ST, AND THEN AFTER JUNE 21ST, THE HEARING FOLLOWING WILL BE JULY 19TH. 
          SO PLEASE PLAN ACCORDINGLY. 
          UM, AND THEN A QUICK NOTE, UM, ABOUT THE AGENDA TODAY. 
          UM, ITEMS 15 3 0 5, LAVACCA 16, 1 1 11 14 DEBERRY AND 17, UM, 1223 SOUTH ALAMO HAVE ALL BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. 
          UM, SO JUST MAKE A NOTE FOR THOSE ITEMS NOT BEING HEARD ON THE TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          UM, AND WITH THAT, THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 17TH. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR MAY 17TH, 2023. 
          SECOND. 
          I HAVE A MOTION IS SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
          [CONSENT AGENDA
Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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NEXT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN, WE HAVE 14 ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS RECEIVED FOR THOSE AS WELL AS A FEW SPEAKERS. 
          UM, SO LET'S BEGIN WITH VOICEMAILS RECEIVED FOR ITEM ONE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. 
          THIS IS IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO IS DELIGHTED TO SUPPORT THE APPROVAL OF A FINDING 
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OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE BASILLAS BUILDING. 
          THE BASILLAS BUILDING IS EMBLEMATIC OF SAN ANTONIO'S DIVERSE CULTURAL HERITAGE. 
          WE CONCUR WITH O H P STAFF THAT IT WELL SURPASSES THE THRESHOLD NECESSARY FOR DESIGNATION AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          NEXT ARE VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM NUMBER 3 7 20 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          THERE ARE THREE VOICEMAILS FOR THIS REQUEST. 
          HI, MY NAME IS ALYSSA HENDRY, AND I AM CALLING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          I LIVE AT 10 22 NAVARRO STREET, UNIT 4 0 5. 
          AND BASICALLY WE'RE CALLING BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THE DESIGN IS BEAUTIFUL FOR SEVEN 20 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S, WE WOULD BE COMPLETELY HEARTBROKEN IF THEY ADDED ANOTHER STORY BECAUSE IT WOULD BLOCK OUR VIEW OF THE SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ART. 
          OUR GRANDMOTHER WAS THE FOUNDER OF THE SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ART, AND AFTER SHE PASSED AWAY, THE WHOLE REASON WE BOUGHT THE CONDO WAS BECAUSE OUR CONDO OVERLOOKED THE SCHOOL AND SPECIFICALLY THE CLOCK TOWER. 
          AND IT MEANS SO MUCH FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR MORNING COFFEE AND SEE THE CLOCK TOWER BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE OUR GRANDMOTHER IS WATCHING OVER US, AND IT JUST MEANS SO MUCH TO US. 
          SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THEY COULD ADAPT THE DESIGN PLANS TO NOT INCLUDE ANOTHER STORY, BUT PERHAPS A REALLY AWESOME ROOFTOP DECK. 
          AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS VIEW SHED PROTECTION FOR THE OLD URSULINE ACADEMY, WHICH IS NOW KNOWN AS THE SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ART, NOW U T S A ARTS. 
          SO BECAUSE OF THIS, WE HOPE THAT IT'S PROTECTED AND THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR VIEWS AND THEY, THE NEIGHBORS CAN ALSO CREATE A BEAUTIFUL SPACE, BUT JUST ADAPTING THE PLANS TO HAVING A OPEN AIR CONCEPT THAT WOULDN'T BLOCK ANYONE'S VIEW. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          HI, MY NAME IS CHRIS HENRY WITH RIVERVIEW CONDOS AT 10 22 NAVARRO STREET, UNIT NUMBER 4 0 5, AND I'M CALLING ABOUT TODAY'S H D R C MEETING. 
          AGENDA ITEM THREE. 
          MY MOTHER, HELEN MARIE HENDRY, WAS A FOUNDER OF THE SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ART, AND MY FAMILY PURCHASED THE CONDO AFTER SHE PASSED AWAY. 
          IN HER MEMORY, IT MEANS THE WORLD TO US THAT THE CLOCK TOWER OF THE SCHOOL SHE FOUNDED IS WATCHING OVER US ON OUR BALCONY. 
          IT BRINGS US JOY ON A DAILY BASIS TO SIT ON OUR BALCONY AND SEE THE SCHOOL. 
          SHE FOUND IT. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, ADDING A STORY TO SEVEN 20 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S WOULD COMPLETELY BLOCK OUR VIEW OF THE SCHOOL AND THE CLOCK TOWER. 
          MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT WOULD VIOLATE SAN ANTONIO CITY ORDINANCE SECTION 35 DASH 3 37, VIEW SHED PROTECTION. 
          SINCE THE HISTORIC OLD SLAND ACADEMY KNOWN AS THE SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ART, NOW KNOWN AS U T SS A ARTS IS PROTECTED BY THE CODE, PLEASE, CONSTRUCTION OF PLANS TO NOT BLOCK OUR VIEW OF THE SCHOOL, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE CLOCK TOWER. 
          WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THEM ADAPTING THE PLANS TO BE A ROOFTOP DECK INSTEAD OF, UM, ANOTHER STORY WHICH WOULD BE HIP AND COOL AND PRESERVE OUR VIEW, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, ENSURE THAT THE ORDINANCE IS NOT BEING VIOLATED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THIS HAS BEEN CHRIS HENDRY. 
          THAT WAS THE THREE VOICEMAIL. 
          YEAH. 
          HELLO? IS THAT TWO OR THREE? OKAY, ONE MORE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. 
          MY NAME'S TESSA HENDRY, AND I LIVE NEXT TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE MEETING THAT'S HAPPENING TODAY FOR SEVEN 20 NORTH ST. 
          MARY STREET, CASE NUMBER 20 23, 2 2 1. 
          AND MY SISTER AND I PURCHASED A CONDO THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR. 
          AND THE WHOLE REASON WE BOUGHT THE PLACE WAS BECAUSE OUR GRANDMOTHER WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ART, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, SHE PASSED AWAY SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          BUT WE FOUND THIS PROPERTY AND BOUGHT IT IN HONOR OF HER BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY, OUR CONDO OVERLOOKED THE, THE SCHOOL THAT SHE WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN THOUGH THE PLANS THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE 
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ARE BEAUTIFUL, THEY WOULD COMPLETELY BLOCK OUR VIEW. 
          AND THE WHOLE REASON WE BOUGHT THE PLACE FOR OUR GRANDMOTHER. 
          NOW, WE ACTUALLY MADE THE FRONT PAGE OF THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS NEWS WITH OUR STORY, WITH OUR CONNECTION TO THE SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ART AND OUR GRANDMOTHER, AND THE WHOLE REASON WE BOUGHT THE CONDO, AND IT'S ALL ON THE FRONT PAGE. 
          UM, BUT WE WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO RENOVATE. 
          WE JUST HOPE THAT WE COULD KEEP OUR VIEW. 
          AND WE ACTUALLY FOUND THAT THERE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT COVERS OUR VIEW RIGHTS. 
          AND IT'S SAN ANTONIO CITY ORDINANCE SECTION 35 DASH 3 3 7 VP VIEW SHED PROTECTION AND M P O D MISSION PROTECTION. 
          AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE OLD URSULINE ACADEMY, WHICH BECAME THE SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ART, WHICH NOW IS U T S A. 
          BUT WE HOPE THAT THERE'S A GOOD RESOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY AND THAT WE CAN KEEP THE VIEW THAT MEANS SO VERY MUCH TO US. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          FOR THIS ITEM, WE HAVE TWO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. 
          THE FIRST IS FRED PRESTON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SPEAK WITH YOU. 
          UH, I'M NOT REPRESENTING MYSELF. 
          I'M REPRESENTING THE RIVERVIEW RIVERVIEW OWNER'S CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, UH, TODAY. 
          AND, UH, WE DON'T, THE ASSOCIATION, UM, ISN'T AT THIS POINT FOR OR AGAINST, UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR, UH, REQUEST FOR A PERMIT. 
          UM, WHAT OUR CONCERN IS IS THAT WE JUST FOUND OUT TWO DAYS AGO BY ACCIDENT, UM, THAT THE PLAN WAS COMING FORWARD AND HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO VIEW IT THOROUGHLY TO SEE HOW IT DOES OR DOES NOT IMPACT OUR BUILDING. 
          SEVEN 20 IS JUST ONE OF THREE BUILDINGS. 
          OURS BEING THE MIDDLE BUILDING, AND THEN ANOTHER BUILDING ON NAVARRO THAT WE'RE ALL BUILT AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UM, ALMOST THAT AS A COMMUNITY, THE GARAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN OUR CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX IS UTILIZED. 
          THE SPACE, THEIR SPACES IS IN OUR, IN OUR BUILDING. 
          THEY ALSO USE OUR, OUR POOL. 
          AND IN TERMS OF THEIR ADJACENCY, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT A PICTURE THERE, YOU SEE WHERE THE PATIOS ARE ON THE RIGHT. 
          THAT'S OUR BUILDING. 
          UM, AND, UH, IF YOU SWITCH TO SOME OF THE OTHER PICTURES, YOU'LL EVEN NOTICE ALSO THAT'S OUR, UM, THE, THE PATIO YOU SEE THERE IN THE LOWER PATIO IS OUR COMMON PATIO. 
          AND THE RAILING FOR OUR COMMON PATIO IS EVEN ATTACHED  TO THAT BUILDING. 
          THE CONDOMINIUMS, UH, OH, WELL, YOU SWITCHED IT WHEN I WAS GONNA, OKAY. 
          THE CONDOMINIUM AT THE TOP. 
          UM, IN FACT, ALL THOSE CONDOMINIUMS AT THE TOP ARE THE ONES THAT HAPPEN TO BE IMPACTED, UH, BY THE VIEW, UH, ISSUE, THE SKYLINE VIEW ISSUE. 
          SO THE BOARD'S POSITION AT THIS POINT, WE'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF, UH, CONDOMINIUM OWNERS WHO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT, UH, OKAY, WHAT IS THE NEW PLAN IS, IS THIS IS THE SAME OLD PLAN THAT THEY HAD EARLIER. 
          UH, THE PLAN, I GUESS THIS PLAN, THE ONE THAT IS ONLINE, UM, HAS EXISTED SINCE 2015. 
          UH, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE PLAN TWO SINCE 2016, I GUESS WHEN THE, UH, FIRST, UH, THE APPLICATION WAS, UH, SUBMITTED SINCE THEN. 
          ONE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF NEW OWNERS, UH, THE OWNERSHIPS HAVE CHANGED, AND THOSE NEW OWNERS, UH, HAVE VARIOUS CONCERNS. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE ENGINEERING CONCERNS. 
          IT'S NOT CLEAR TO US, UM, UH, GIVEN, UH, THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE, WHAT, IF ANY IMPACT THERE WILL BE IN OUR BUILDING. 
          IF YOU'LL CHANGE TO SOME OF THE OTHER SLIDES, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S CONDUIT THAT GO FROM OUR BUILDING TO THAT BUILDING. 
          THE WALLS ARE SO CLOSE, UH, IN SOME AREAS, UH, THEY MAY BE A QUARTER INCH APART OR AN INCH APART IN OTHER, IN AREAS OF THE WALL, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE, THEY ACTUALLY TOUCH. 
          UH, SO THEY'RE JUST, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S AN ELECTRICAL CONDUIT GOING FROM THE SEVEN 20 BUILDING ON THE RIGHT INTO OUR BUILDING ON THE LEFT. 
          SO IT'S JUST A LOT OF CONCERNS WE HAVE NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY SEE, UH, WHAT IN FACT IS BEING 
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PROPOSED, BEING, UH, DONE NEXT DOOR. 
          SO, AND, AND OF COURSE, THE OTHER CONCERN YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM, UH, UH, AT LEAST ONE OF THE CONDOMINIUM OWNERS. 
          THERE ARE OTHERS WHO HAVE CONCERN, BUT KNOWING THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE COMING BEFORE YOU TO ASK FOR A DELAY, SO THAT IT, WE, WE AT LEAST HAVE THE TIME TO GO OVER THESE PLANS THOROUGHLY, UH, TO SEE WHAT, IF ANY, UM, UH, UH, PROBLEMS MIGHT BE POLLED FOR OUR BUILDING. 
          AGAIN, THANK YOU. 
          I'LL ACCENT THAT WE'RE NOT FOR OR AGAINST THE PLAN. 
          UH, THE INDIVIDUALS WHO OWN THE BUILDING, WE KNOW WE EXPECT THAT THERE'LL BE EXCELLENT NEIGHBORS. 
          IT'S JUST THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR BUILDING IS SAFE. 
          UH, THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS, SIR, FOR THE RECORD? OH, I'M SORRY. 
          IT'S DR. 
          FREDERICK PRESTON. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 10 22, UH, NAVARRO UNIT, UH, UH, CONDOMINIUM 3 0 6. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ROBERT SCHULTZ. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, BOARD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ADDRESSING THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, I SUBMITTED A, UM, A EMAIL DOCUMENT TO EDWARD HALL IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE CONCERNS I HAVE, YOU HAVE REVIEWED. 
          THE MAIN COMPONENT WOULD BE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NEXT DOOR. 
          WE NEVER HAD ENOUGH TIME TO EVEN KNOW OR REVIEW IT. 
          UH, WHEN THEY APPLIED FOR IT IN 2016, WE HAD NO IDEA THAT WAS OCCURRING UNTIL THEY HAD A FOR SALE SIGN ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. 
          BUT THE MAIN THING IS THAT THE OWNERS OF THE SEVEN 20 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S WOULD BE ABLE TO TALK WITH US OR TALK WITH THE H O A OR THE, THE HOMEOWNERS AND HAVE SOME CONTINUITY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTENT OF THE TWO BUILDINGS. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THEIR BUILDING IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN OURS. 
          THEY HAVE THREE PARKING SPACES IN OUR PARKING GARAGE, AND THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE POOL THAT WE HAVE AND TO ALL THE COMMON AREA, UH, USAGE OF THAT, INCLUDING LAUNDRY FACILITY, ET CETERA. 
          SO WE, WE WANNA BE A GOOD FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR, BUT WE'D LIKE TO BE INVOLVED WITH, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME CONTINUITY OF ARCHITECTURE RELATED TO OUR, UH, BUILDING THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S SORT OF A MODERN, UM, TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE COMPARED TO, UH, THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO I HOPE YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CONCERNS AND HOPE YOU WOULD, UH, AT LEAST DELAY IT SO WE CAN HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THE OWNERS, TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO AND TO MAKE, UH, CONTINUITY OF THE, THE ENTIRE BUILDING SINCE WE'RE SO CLOSE AND ATTACHED. 
          AND ALSO, THE LASTLY, I MENTIONED HERE THAT THERE'S ON THE ATTA ON THE ASSOCIATED, UH, ATTACHMENT OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S A, UH, UH, TENANT OWNER THAT HAS, UH, OXYGEN, SO THEY'RE VERY SICK, AND THEY GOT OXYGEN. 
          OXYGEN THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THAT BUILDING. 
          JUST AN F Y I. 
          SO I APPRECI APPRECIATE THE TIME AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DELIGHT, DELAY IT SO THAT WE CAN ALL DISCUSS, UM, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS, UH, WAYS TO DO THAT. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING ON THE BOARD, ROBERT SCHULTZ. 
          UH, 3 0 5 1 0 2 2 NAVARRO STREET, APARTMENT 3 0 5. 
          AND, UH, I LIST MY PHONE NUMBER AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. 
          JUST AS A NOTE, THERE ARE ALSO LETTERS, UH, IN YOUR PACKET, SOME OF WHICH ARE FROM, UH, CITIZENS THAT HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. 
          UM, UP NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM 5 2 0 1 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. 
          THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          THE CONSERVATION OF SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES REMOVAL OF LANDSCAPED AREAS NEXT TO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER PROPOSES PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          WHILE WE DO NOT OBJECT TO THE REMOVAL OF PLANET AREAS ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING, THE REMOVAL OF LANDSCAPING ALONG THE RIVERWALK ITSELF WEAKENS THE NATURAL AND VISUAL APPEAL OF THE HISTORIC RIVERWALK. 
          THE REQUIREMENTS THAT PLANTS BE RELOCATED ELSEWHERE ON THE RIVER WALK BEGS THE QUESTION, WHEN WILL WE RUN OUT OF GREEN SPACE ALONG OUR HISTORIC RIVER WALK? THE RIO GUIDELINES PROVIDE SUGGESTIONS FOR HARDSCAPE ELEMENTS, BUT DO NOT ADDRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF LANDSCAPING. 
          THE CONTINUED EROSION OF GREEN SPACE ALONG THE RIVER WALK SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          ITEM 8 21 0 1 WEST MAGNOLIA. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 1 98 21 0 1 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I CHAIR THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND ITS NINE MEMBER M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WISH THE PROPERTY OWNER SUCCESS AND THEIR PROJECTS TO REPAIR AND IMPROVE 2102 WEST MAGNOLIA. 
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WE NOTE THE PROPERTY WAS DAMAGED DUE TO A CAR HITTING THE HOME DURING THE PANDEMIC. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. 
          ITEM 14 23 10 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. 
          YES, THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 2 0 4 23 10 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE NINE MEMBER BOARD OF THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE APPRECIATE RESIDENTS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HOME AND WE SUPPORT THE PROPERTY OWNERS APPLICATION WITH THE INCLUSION OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE NOTE A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, AND THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL REQUIRE A FLOODPLAIN PERMIT FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT ON THE PROPERTY WILL REQUIRE A SECONDARY UN FLOODED ACCESS POINT AS THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE HOME IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          WE ALSO NOTE THAT THE ENTIRE HOME WILL BE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          BASED ON THE NEW MAPS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. 
          IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY FROM THIS LIFE SAFETY SITUATION. 
          THOSE NEW FLOOD MAPS WILL BE ADOPTED IN THE MIDDLE OF 2024 AND ARE AVAILABLE AT THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITIES WEBSITE. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE WISH THE PROPERTY OWNER SUCCESS. 
          THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY, UH, AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? MR. MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          I REQUEST A ONE AND FIVE. 
          ONE AND FIVE. 
          MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM 3, 1, 5, AND THREE. 
          ANY OTHERS? MR. CHAIR? MOTION? YES. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE THE REST OF THE CONSENT AND AGENDA ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND SIX THROUGH 14 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS SIX 15 EAST NEVA 8 0 1 MATAGORDA 1 41 ZER 2 35 BONITA 2101 WEST MAGNOLIA, 1 22 PRINCESS PASS, THREE 15 WEST SUMMIT, 1305 EAST HOUSTON, 1 26 RERA TWO 20 LEE, AND 2310 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          UH, UP NEXT, WE'LL HAVE, UH, ITEM NUMBER 1 5 0 2 NORTH ZARZA, MORA. 
          AND PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE A RECUSAL FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WHO IS LEAVING THE ROOM. 
          CAN WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ITEM COME UP PLEASE? AND, AND MR. CHAIR? UH, YES, SIR. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF, IF, UH, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, ADDRESS THE APPLICANT. 
          I'M NOT JUST, I, I DIDN'T PULL IT FOR, FOR AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION. 
          MORE FOR JUST TO ISSUE COMMENT. 
          THAT'D BE FINE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I JUST WANTED TO, TO, TO BRING ATTENTION TO THIS PROJECT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE AREAS OF SAN ANTONIO THAT HAVE FOR TOO LONG GONE WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND, AND WHERE THERE HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN, UH, A LACK OF ACCESS TO CAPITAL, UH, THIS IS A VERY, UH, COURAGEOUS PROJECT. 
          IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ISSA CARILLO IS HERE, UH, UH, UH, THAT VERY, VERY HAPPY TO SEE A, UH, A SOUTH SIDER FROM SOUTH SAN HIGH SCHOOL, UH, UH, THAT, THAT'S TAKEN SUCH A IMPORTANT LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THE CITY AS A WHOLE WITH RESPECT TO DEVELOPING THESE, UH, UH, I GUESS ONE WORD IS UNDERUTILIZED, UH, PLACES, 
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ENVIRONMENTS. 
          UM, SO THIS IS JUST TO, TO, TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON, ON SUCH A COURAGEOUS PROJECT AND ALSO TO, TO GIVE, UH, YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATIONS, UH, CONDOLENCES ON, ON YOUR RECENT LOSS, A MEMBER OF YOUR TEAM. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ALWAYS CAN, CAN, UM, MAKE A PROJECT, UH, MORE DIFFICULT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MORE SPECIAL. 
          RIGHT? UH, SO, UH, I, I DID WANT TO ALSO, UH, UH, UH, SAY MR. CHAIR AND ASK, YOU KNOW, BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD, HOWEVER IT IS THAT WE DO THAT, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, FROM SAN ANTONIO'S WEST SIDE, UH, UM, IN, IN THE OLD DAYS OF THE GARMENT INDUSTRY, UH, FOUND THEIR LIVING IN, IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND IT WAS A DIFFICULT PLACE. 
          I, I WANNA MENTION THE NAME OF, UH, MINI CANTU, WHO WAS THE FIRST, UH, WOMAN GARMENT WORKERS UNION LEADER. 
          AND SHE WORKED THE CILLA ROCKS AND, AND TOOK ON THE UNION AND HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE SHE GOT DEATH THREATS IMMEDIATELY AFTER. 
          UH, BUT SHE'S DEFINITELY A HERO, ONE OF THE WOMEN THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE CELEBRATED. 
          AND REMEMBER, THE MOTHER OF THE GREAT ARTIST IS WHO'S CHITA CANTU. 
          AND I THINK THAT IN THE WORK THAT THAT, THAT YOU'LL BE TAKING ON, THAT, THAT THOSE LEGACIES, THAT THEY'LL, THEY'LL MEAN SOMETHING AND THEY'LL CONTINUE TO MEAN SOMETHING. 
          SO, TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM, UM, I JUST, UH, UH, UH, WANT TO, UM, CONGRATULATE YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          YES. 
          MR. CORILLO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? UM, I THINK LIKE, LIKE, UH, MR. VELASQUEZ SAYS THIS IS A CHALLENGING PROJECT. 
          UM, FINDING FUNDING FOR, UH, A BUILDING THAT'S DILAPIDATED AS MUCH AS THIS ONE IS, HAS BEEN TOUGH. 
          RIGHT? BUT WE BELIEVE SO MUCH IN, IN NOT ERASING THE HISTORY OF WHAT'S HAPPENED THERE. 
          AND SO WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SAY WE, WE HAVE ALL OUR FUNDING AS OF LAST WEEK. 
          SO WE'RE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I, I'M VERY PROUD TO MAKE, TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, UH, AS SUBMITTED. 
          SECOND. 
          HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SENO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          GRO AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES BET, SIR. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, SEVEN 20 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. UH, NICK ELLE IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          MR. ELLE. 
          ELLE, Y'ALL DOING TODAY? FINE, THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE AIR FORCE TRY TO PULL A PERMIT ON SEVEN 20. 
          I'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. 
          WE HAVE ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          THERE'S A PART BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY NOTICED THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE TO SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT IT AND CONCERNS WITH THEM. 
          UH, A LOT OF THE WIRING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PUT IT IN INTO THE WALLS TO TRY TO, UH, MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER OUT THERE. 
          UH, WE UNDERSTAND WE'LL HAVE SOME REROUTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S ALREADY IN THE COST OF THAT WE'VE GOT THERE. 
          UM, WHAT ELSE? UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS, UH, WITH THE, UH, GENTLEMAN WITH THE SICKNESS, UH, WE, HE ACTUALLY CAME TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE ALSO ADDRESSING THAT CONCERN ALSO WITH HIM. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE HIM. 
          UM, ANY, UH, AS FAR AS THE ROOF WISE, UH, IT'S NOT A COMPLETE, UH, BLOCKOUT. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY A ROOF LINE TO IT. 
          IT'S MORE OF A COVER. 
          THERE'S ONLY A SMALLER PART OF IT THAT'S A, UH, ACTUAL ADDITION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A, UH, A ROOM UP ON TOP. 
          I DUNNO IF YOU CAN GET TO THAT ONE OR NOT. 
          SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LEAVING EVERYTHING AROUND IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT'S FORTH IF YOU MIGHT BE HIRED SOMETHING, BUT BASICALLY IT'S ALL GONNA BE A COVERED PATIO. 
          THERE'S A SMALL SECTION IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S ACTUALLY, UH, A BEDROOM THERE. 
          IF YOU CAN GET TO THE FLOOR PLAN ON THAT ONE. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          THERE SHOULD BE A FLOOR PLAN ON THERE. 
          FLOOR PLAN ON THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, KINDA LIKE THAT. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ADDITION IS MAINLY IN THAT ONE COVERED AREA WITH THE CANOPY ON TOP. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA BE EXPOSED. 
          YOU'LL HAVE A, A, A VIEW FOR THAT. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL ACCOMMODATE THEM. 
          UH, AND WE DID SEE THE PICTURE. 
          I THINK YOU'VE GOT A PICTURE THERE 
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OF THE SIDE IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THAT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN THERE, THAT IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WE DO HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO GET TO THAT AREA, BUT WHEN WE GET TO THAT, WE WILL ACCOMMODATE THEM IN EVERY WAY WE CAN. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, UH, WE'RE JUST HOPEFULLY THAT, UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          UH, THIS IS THE SAME IDENTICAL BUILDING IN 2015. 
          NOTHING'S BEEN CHANGED, NOTHING'S BEEN ALTERED. 
          IT'S EXACT SAME BUILDING, EXACT SAME STRUCTURE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY, UH, THEM KNOWING THAT NOW THEY MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NOTHING BEEN CHANGED YET. 
          UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I HOPE THAT, UH, WE CAN PRO, UH, PROCEED WITH THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          MR. CHAIR? OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO, IN YOUR STATEMENT, I MEAN, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE, UM, YOU HEARD THE CONCERNS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND I HEARD A COUPLE OF WORDS IN THERE THAT YOU SAID HOPEFULLY AND WE'LL TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AND THINGS OF NATURE. 
          WELL, SO, WELL, LET ME, LET ME FINISH, PLEASE. 
          UM, AND SO SOME OF THE MAIN CONCERNS, UM, OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS THE VIEW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ADDRESS THAT? OR ARE YOU, IS THAT ONE OF YOUR HOPEFULLY, OR, I WILL TRY. 
          WHEN YOU SAY, WHEN YOU SAY HOPEFULLY IN REFERENCE TO THE VIEW, UM, EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I'M REPEATING WHAT YOU SAID, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU AND YOUR STATEMENT WHEN YOU STEP UP TO THE MIC, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR, UM, STATEMENT, YOU WILL HOPEFULLY TAKE CARE A FEW THINGS THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD TRY TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT YOU HEARD THE CONCERN. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO GET SPECIFIC. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE VIEW THAT, UM, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE ADDRESSED, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFICALLY? WELL, NOW THAT'S ONE THING. 
          I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO TALK TO THE CLIENT, DR. 
          MORALES. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE VIEW THAT WE HAVE NOW IS BASICALLY EXACT SAME VIEW WE HAD IN 2015. 
          SO WE'VE NOT CHANGED OR ALTERED THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE KIND OF, I GUESS Y'ALL KIND OF BEEN THROUGH THAT PART ALREADY AS FORTH AS CHANGING IT. 
          I CANNOT, UH, TELL YOU ANYTHING ON THAT PART OF IT. 
          THAT'D BE SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE CLIENT AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING HE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RE-ENGINEER, RE-ARCHITECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AS FORTH THE CONCERN WITH THE, UH, PLASTERING SIDE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM OR WHEN WE CAN WORK ON THAT SIDE, WHAT CONCERNS THEY WANT US TO TAKE CARE OF AND, UH, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE ACCOMMODATE THEM ON TRYING TO KEEP THAT CONTINUOUS. 
          AND WHEN I MEAN CONTINUOUS, I MEAN BY WHEN WE PUT THE STUCCO ON ONE SIDE, WE WANT TO WRAP IT AROUND THE OTHER SIDE TO MAKE IT LOOK COMPLETE. 
          SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR WALL IS PRETTY CRACKED UP. 
          UH, IT'S ALREADY KIND OF BEEN DETERIORATED OVER THE YEARS, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ENHANCING IT, AS YOU MIGHT SAY, UH, THAT AREA. 
          SO. 
          AND, UM, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER THAN THE TIME I HAVE. 
          SO, UM, I'LL YIELD TO COMMISSIONER GRU AND THEN I CAN COME BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          SO IT WAS MORE QUESTION TO STAFF IF THEY WANTED TO, UM, EXPLAIN THE VIEW SHED ORDINANCE AND HOW THAT, SORRY, HOW THAT AFFECTS THIS PROPERTY? YES. 
          SO, UH, THE SECTION OF CODE THAT'S BEEN REFERENCED, UH, IN THE VOICEMAILS AND THE LETTERS IS SECTION 35 3 3 7. 
          UH, AND THAT TITLE IS V OF C I, PROTECTION AND MISSION PROTECTION. 
          UH, THIS SECTION OF CODE ESTABLISHES THE ELIGIBILITY OF A VIEW SHED FOR 15 SITES. 
          THOSE INCLUDE THE FIVE MISSIONS, UH, THE ESPA AQUEDUCT, THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL, UH, A FEW OTHER SITES. 
          DOWNTOWN MUNICIPAL PLOT OR AUDITORIUM IS ONE OF THEM. 
          THE SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ART CAMPUS, OR THE U T S A ART CAMPUS IS ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          HOWEVER, THE CODE SAYS IN SUBSECTION B, THIS CODE AUTHORIZES THE ESTABLISHMENT OF U SHED AND MISSION PROTECTION DISTRICTS. 
          HOWEVER, SEPARATE ORDINANCES ARE REQUIRED TO DESIGNATE EACH DISTRICT. 
          UH, SO AS SOME OF YOU MAY BE, UH, FAMILIAR, BACK IN, I BELIEVE 2015, THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE BY COUNCIL TO ESTABLISH A MISSION PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT, UH, FOR THE FORCE SOUTHERN MISSION. 
          SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A SEPARATE ORDINANCE, UH, AND A COUNCIL ACTION ACTUALLY TO ESTABLISH A VIEW SHED DISTRICT, UH, FOR ANY OF THOSE OTHER, UH, 15 SITES. 
          UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION THAT'S NEEDED, I CAN, UH, ADDRESS THAT. 
          BUT ESSENTIALLY THE SITE IS ELIGIBLE, BUT THERE'S NO ESTABLISHED ORDINANCE THAT, THAT PUT FORTH A VIEW SHIP PROTECTION OVERLAY FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN JUST REALLY QUICK FOLLOW UP, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE SLIDE WITH, UM, THE, OR THE PICTURE, LIKE WHERE, UH, THE, THE ONE THAT YOU HAD, THE SLIDE WHERE THE, THE FLOOR PLAN, LIKE YOU SAID, THE TOP FLOOR PLAN JUST FOR THE ROOF. 
          SO RIGHT THERE, THAT ONE, WHERE WOULD, WHERE'S THE TOWER IN THIS? WHERE IS IT AT AND WHERE WOULD BE, WHERE'S THE SEVEN 20 NAVARRO BILL? NO, SORRY, THE 11. 
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THAT'S THE PLAN, THE CLEAR STORY LEVEL. 
          THERE MAY BE ONE PLAN A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THAT AT THE ROOF TERRACE . 
          UH, SO, UH, LET ME ACTUALLY, UH, MAY BE MORE HELPFUL IF I START OFF WITH THE, AN AERIAL VIEW. 
          UH, AND THERE'S A PICTURE IN ONE OF THE LETTERS, ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AND THERE'S A REALLY CLEAR PICTURE FROM THE BALCONY OVER THE ROOF. 
          AND IT WAS JUST ONE OF THE APPLICANT TO KIND OF LIKE, FROM THAT PICTURE, MAYBE SAY, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OR MAYBE THE AERIAL IDENTIFY, WHERE'S THE TOWER? WHAT IS, WHERE WOULD THE, THAT THIRD STORY BE BLOCKING? LET ME, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP, I'LL PULL UP THE P D F, UH, LETTER THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, THAT SHOWS THAT, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. 
          SO I BELIEVE THIS IS THE, THE VIEW THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          YES. 
          SO IF WE LOOK AT HERE, WE SEE ALL THE MECHANICAL. 
          SO I SEE, LIKE I SEE A PART OF THE ROOF IS GONNA BE, THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, HIGH HIDDEN ACCORDING TO THE PLAN. 
          WHERE WOULD THE THIRD FLOOR BE, EDWARD, IF YOU GO TO SHEET, UH, 34 IN OUR P D F, IT'S, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING, A 2.4. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY ACTUALLY THE MEZZANINE LEVEL. 
          YEP. 
          SO I SEE ON THE LEFT IT SAYS ADJACENT PROPERTY. 
          IS THAT THE NAVARRO PROPERTY? IT IS. 
          AND, UH, COMMISSIONER JUST NOTE, UH, THE VIEW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS PLAN NORTH, UH, TRUE NORTH, UH, I CAN ROTATE THE SHEET, UM, TO GET AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO TRUE NORTH, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          ED EDWARD, WOULD IT BE, UM, UH, IT MIGHT BE MORE, UH, UH, EASIER TO EXPLAIN FROM AN AERIAL RIGHT. 
          THAN AS YOU'RE PROBABLY ALREADY DOING. 
          SO COMMISSIONER GRU, WHERE THE CURSOR IS NOW, IS THE PROPERTY, UH, AND TO THE IMMEDIATE WEST, MORE OR LESS IS THE CAMPUS, UH, WHERE THE CLOCK TOWER IS? I BELIEVE SO THEN I JUST, SO JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, IT WOULD, IT WOULD COVER THEIR VIEW FOR SURE WHERE THE PLACEMENT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR CERTAIN, BUT THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT IT WOULD, FROM THAT ANGLE, FROM THAT ANGLE HE'S AT RIGHT NOW WITH THAT ARROW, IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE CANOPY, NOT PART OF THAT, UH, ADDITION UP THERE. 
          I CAN TELL BY LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE. 
          WHERE'S THE PICTURE YOU HAD BEFORE WITH THE ACTUAL ARROW ON IT? RIGHT THERE. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT HERE WHERE THIS IS GONNA BE. 
          WELL, YOU SEE KIND OF LIKE THAT LITTLE RAMP RIGHT THERE ON THE BUILDING ON THE TOP. 
          IT'S ON THAT SIDE DOOR. 
          THERE'S A THREE D VIEW THAT MAY DEMONSTRATE THAT A LITTLE CLEARER. 
          MY TIME IS UP, SO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO DO SECOND QUESTIONS. 
          QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          YEAH, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF LINE OF SIGHT TYPE OVERLAY OR SOME SORT OF LINE OF SIGHT WITH THE BUILDING SUPERIMPOSED OVER AN IMAGE, MAYBE AT AN ANGLE WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S GONNA GET COVERED. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S NOT GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM SOME OF THESE HOUSES. 
          I THINK WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THAT ONE CANOPY ON THAT ONE SIDE, THAT'S KIND OF, IF HE WAS LOOKING AT THE BUILDING THIS WAY, YOU HAVE YOUR ADDITION, THAT CANOPY ON THIS SIDE WILL, MIGHT GET A LITTLE BIT INTO THE VIEW, BUT BEING THAT IT'S KIND OF A, JUST THE COVER, YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT. 
          YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA, MIGHT NOT MISS THAT ONE, THAT ONE LITTLE SECTION THERE, BUT YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT FOR SURE. 
          MR. CHAIR, UM, ONE MOMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          MY QUESTIONS, UM, ARE FOR STAFF AND AREN'T RELEVANT TO THE, THE VIEW SHED OR THE, UM, UH, AIR RIGHTS, UM, STAFF. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH AN OLD CASE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN STAFF'S REASONING FOR THE ACTUAL FRONT ELEVATION DESIGN FROM THE ORIGINAL C O A? UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT? UM, UH, SO THIS, UH, I CAN GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. 
          UH, THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED ORIGINALLY IN 2015, 
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UHHUH . 
          UM, THERE WAS A STIPULATION, UH, FOR, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT AMEND, UM, SOME OF THE ARCHED OPENINGS THEY HAD THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT THEN SUBMITTED AN ADDITIONAL APPLICATION PACKAGE WHERE STAFF REVIEWED AND AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL ISSUED, UH, A C O A AND AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MAINTAIN THE ARCHED OPENINGS. 
          UM, AND I THINK THE REASONING BEHIND THAT IS SIMPLY, UH, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DOESN'T, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION FOR OR AGAINST A CERTAIN STYLE OF OPENING, UH, THE DESIGN THAT WAS PROPOSED. 
          THE STRUCTURE ISN'T, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS NOT A, IT'S NOT ZONED HISTORIC. 
          IT'S OLD, BUT IT'S NOT ZONED HISTORIC. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN HEAVILY MODIFIED, UH, AND WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED AT THE TIME WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE U D C STANDARDS. 
          UH, IF THIS WERE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH LIKELY MAYBE MODIFICATIONS OR THE ADDITION OF CERTAIN MATERIALS. 
          UH, BUT AS FAR AS AN ADDITION, UH, UNDER THE U D C STANDARDS, UH, THE PROPOSED AND YOU CAN OR PROPOSED ADDITION, UH, AND MODIFICATIONS ARE CONSISTENT. 
          UM, STAFF HAD PREVIOUSLY, UH, VOICED CONCERN ABOUT THE INCLUSION OF THE GARAGE DOORS. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS FOR, UH, A CURB CUT. 
          IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR TWO CURB CUTS. 
          UH, IF THERE'S ONLY STREET FRONTAGE OR IF THERE'S LIMITED STREET FRONTAGE. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREE, UH, TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND STIPULATIONS FOR, UH, MODIFIED WIDTH OF CURB CUTS OR A MODIFIED DESIGN IF THEY'RE LARGER THAN 25 FEET, WHICH THEY DON'T APPEAR TO BE. 
          UH, SO, UM, STAFF FINDS THAT THE, WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHERE WE FIND THAT IT COULD BE MORE CONSISTENT OR IT'S NOT QUITE CONSISTENT. 
          UH, WE'VE RECOMMENDED A STIPULATION, UH, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, WHEN YOU WERE SAYING THE U D C, YOU'RE ALSO INCLUDING THAT DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE AS PART OF, AS THE SUPPORT DOCUMENTS FOR THAT? UH, SO THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE SPECIFICALLY REFERS TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS OR SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONS TO BUILDINGS. 
          UM, THIS STAFF IS REVIEWING UNDER THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE CONSISTENT WITH HOW IT WAS REVIEWED PREVIOUSLY. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THE SET THAT, UM, ADDITIONAL FLOOR IN THE TOWER AND THE, AND THE ROOFTOP IS, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT A SIGNIFICANT ADDITION. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I, I WANTED TO KNOW. 
          THANKS, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, MY, MY, UM, UH, COMMENTS ARE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, UH, OF TRYING TO STAY WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF, OF, UM, WHAT ARE CHARGES, RIGHT? THAT, UM, THE PROTECTION OF VIEW SHED RELATED TO, UH, LET'S SAY, UM, UH, VERY SPECIFIC, UH, UH, EXPECTATION THAT A BUILDING IS NEVER GONNA EVOLVE IN FRONT OF YOUR WINDOW VERSUS THE ARCHITECTURAL APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PROJECT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. 
          IT, IT'S A, UM, SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS WORTH, UH, CLARIFYING OR, OR AT LEAST, UH, BEGINNING FROM A, FROM A, FROM A POINT OF, UM, OF, UM, OF EXPECTATION, RIGHT? SETTING UP THE EXPECTATION FOR ANYONE THAT, UH, UH, MIGHT INTERPRET OUR CHARGE AS PROTECTING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PERSONAL, UH, VANTAGE POINT OF, OF SOMEONE LIVING WHEREVER, UM, UH, ON, ON ITS FACE, UH, THE, THE DESIGN SEEMS TO BE, UH, AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN. 
          IT, IT, IT SEEMS TO BEGIN WITH, WITH A 50 50 OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED, UH, YOU KNOW, AT, AT A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT IT'S JUST A ROOF. 
          AND AT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT IT'S A CONSTRUCT, UH, THAT IT HAS AN INTERIOR SPACE, AND THAT IF YOU GO 50 50, WELL, WELL, IT'S ALREADY MET A 50 50 THRESHOLD WHERE IT'S A ROOF, UH, DECK AND IT'S A, UM, A SPACE. 
          SO IT, IT, UM, IT DOES ELEVATE THE, THE, THE, UM, UM, UM, THE ARCHITECTURE QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY. 
          IT DOES FOLLOW ITS OWN RULES AND IT, AND IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT BEING SAID, UH, IT, IT, IT MIGHT BE WORTH, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE, WITH THE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION AND, AND PERHAPS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE VIEW SHED, UH, UM, REQUESTS OF THE PEOPLE ACROSS. 
          BUT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A VERY SENSITIVE, UM, UM, UM, MEETING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY, I, I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD CREATE A, UM, OR, OR THAT 
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WE WOULD, WE WOULD SET A GUIDELINE OR, OR, OR GIVE THE IMPRESSION OF A GUIDELINE THAT SAYS THAT, THAT, THAT WE CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION VERY SPECIFIC, UH, VIS, UH, UM, UM, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT VIEW SHED, BUT VERY SPECIFIC VIEW OUTSIDE OF ANYBODY'S WINDOW, PARTICULARLY DOWNTOWN, WHERE BUILDINGS ARE GOING UP. 
          AND IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE CONS, CONSTRAINTS OF THE, OF THE U D C AND WITHIN CONSTRAINTS TO THE RULES THAT SOMEHOW WE'RE PROMISING ANYBODY THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU, YOU CAN'T BLOCK MY VIEW. 
          UM, BUT, BUT IF, IF THE APPLICANT TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GET WITH THE, WITH THE PARTIES INVOLVED, MAYBE THEY'D HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THE VIEW LINE FROM, FROM THE BUILDING TO THE WINDOW OF WHOEVER, AND MOST DEFINITELY TO GET WITH THE, UH, H O A THERE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          ARE THERE QUESTIONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          SO, I'VE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, AND THIS, THIS IS A, A REACTION TO SOME OF THE CONCERNED NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, MOST OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED AND ASKED BY, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, WAS THIS TAKEN BACK TO THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR THE BOARD SINCE 2015? I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          I I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT PRIOR TO JUST RECENTLY. 
          SO THEY'RE SAYING, I MEAN, THEY SAY NO, AND YOU BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE. 
          I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS ALREADY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT PROCESS. 
          SO THAT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          NINE YEARS AGO. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND THE PERMIT EXISTED TILL JUST, UH, LAST YEAR OF MARCH. 
          IT EXPIRED. 
          IT EXPIRED, THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS EXPIRED YES. 
          UNTIL IT EXPIRED. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO I GUESS MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MEET WITH THE BOARD OF THE NEIGHBORS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE ADJACENCY CONCERNS THAT THEY MENTIONED WITH THEIR, UH, REACTING TO PROCESS AND STRUCTURAL BITS? I WOULD HAVE TO REFER THAT BACK TO DR. 
          MORALES, AND I'M SURE HE WOULD, I'M SURE HE WOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT ON THAT VIEW LINE. 
          I'M JUST CONCERNED. 
          WHAT I'M CONCERNED IS HOW FAR DOES THAT VIEW END UP GOING ONCE WE'VE ADDRESSED IT? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS IT'S LIKE, DO WE START HERE AND THEN DO WE END UP GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND NOW WE'VE GOT A WHOLE NEW OTHER STRUCTURE OF GUIDELINES THAT WE'VE GOTTA TRY TO MEET. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE OPEN UP A PANDORA STORE WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO, UH, LOOK AT THINGS SO, SO LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M, SO I THINK, I THINK MY REQUEST HERE IS VERY SPECIFIC OKAY. 
          TO GIVE THE NEIGHBORS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS SURE. 
          AND ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF YOU BEFORE APPROVAL. 
          IT'S NOT A DIRECTIVE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THERE IS, RIGHT. 
          AND, AND YES, THAT QUESTION, THAT ANSWER IS YES, I SAID THAT A FEW MINUTES AGO. 
          THE ANSWER IS YES, I DEFINITELY WANT TO GET WITH THEM. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO, UH, BUILD AT A ZERO OUTLINE AND NOT GET WITH THEM. 
          YOU KNOW, SO I HAVE TO CON THAT IS A CONCERN. 
          I DO HAVE TO MEET, I AM GOING TO MEET AND WE WILL SIT DOWN AND, AND ACCOMMODATE IN A, IN A PROFESSIONAL WAY THAT WE CAN. 
          SO THE, THE REQUEST IS THAT THAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO A REISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, I SUPPOSE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOUR, YOUR RESPONSE IS, YOU CAN'T REALLY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, BUT I KIND OF UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT. 
          SO I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, MR. CHAIR? UM, I'M GOOD NOW BECAUSE, UM, COMMISSIONER GURU PRETTY MUCH FOLLOW UP ON WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, SO WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ORDINANCE, UM, THAT'S BEEN REFERENCED HERE, AND THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE OPPOSED, UM, YOU KNOW, AND CLEARLY WHEN THEY STATED THIS ORDINANCE, THEY DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH INSIDE OF THERE, UM, ARE THEY ABLE TO, UM, APPLY OR ASK TO HAVE THAT INCLUDED THAT THEY, IF SO, IS THAT A LENGTHY PROCESS FOR THEM? OR HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT? UH, WELL, CORY CAN JUMP IN HERE AND HELP OUT IF, IF MY ANSWER DOESN'T COVER EVERYTHING. 
          BUT, UM, SO, AND UPDATE WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH HAPPENS ON A FIVE YEAR BASIS. 
          UM, SO, UM, OUR NEXT ACTUALLY I THINK WOULD BE IN 2025, SINCE THIS PREVIOUS ONE WAS POSTPONED DUE TO THE PANDEMIC. 
          UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT WOULD TAKE, UH, BELIEVE AN ACT COUNSEL, UM, TO, TO ESTABLISH THAT. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, PROPOSED AT THAT LEVEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I FIGURED AS MUCH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ON THE RECORD. 
          SO IN CASE, UM, APPLICANTS WANTED DO THAT, THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M DONE, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND TO, UM, COMMISSIONER, TO ANSWER PROBABLY ANOTHER CONCERN OF YOURS, WE HAVE COMMUNICATED, UH, THAT THE, THE ORDINANCE 
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OR THAT THIS SECTION OF THE CODE ONLY ESTABLISHES THE ELIGIBILITY. 
          UH, WE'VE CLARIFIED THAT WITH APPLICANTS THAT HAVE SENT LETTERS IN SO THEY'RE NOT JUST HANGING OUT, UM, WITH, WITHOUT AN ANSWER ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          UH, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF AND MAYBE FOR COUNSEL. 
          UM, WE TYPICALLY HA HAVE NOT HAD THE SORT OF A THIRD AUTHORITY OR, OR A PURVIEW TO DIRECT AN APPLICANT TO GO BACK TO, SAY, A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          BUT IN THIS SITUATION, IF WE, UH, MOVE FOR A, UH, A CONTINUANCE OF THE CASE AND GIVE THE OP THE, UH, APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, WHETHER THEY CHOOSE SO OR NOT, IS THAT, UH, A PERMISSIBLE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW? YES. 
          UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THIS CASE FOR, UH, UNTIL THE NEXT AVAILABLE, UH, HEARING TO PERMIT THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO, TO ENGAGE WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORING, UM, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORING ASSOCIATION. 
          I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION CARPENTER? UH, NO, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIME HAS ELAPSED, UM, SINCE THIS, UH, UH, CONCEPT WAS DEVELOPED IN 2015. 
          AND THERE'S BEEN CHANGE OF, OF RESIDENTS AND OWNERS OWNERSHIP. 
          AND I THINK IT'S JUST, UH, KIND OF A NEIGHBORLY THING TO DO TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR. 
          I, I JUST, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE APPLICANT, UH, GET WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, OWNER AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          UH, I, I, I DO FEEL LIKE IT'S WORTH REITERATING THAT I THINK WORKING WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION, UM, THE PROJECT IS A, IT'S A NICE, NICELY DONE PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT, UM, THE, THE, THE CONCERNS DON'T SEEM TOO FAR OUT THAT, THAT IT, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO, UM, THE THOUGHT THAT THIS IS A GESTURE OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR IN OUR OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL, MOST OF THE HOUSES HAVE AT LEAST 2, 3, 5, 10 FEET SEPARATION FROM OTHER STRUCTURES OR PROPERTIES. 
          SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE. 
          WE HAVE THE LUXURY OF SPACE, BUT ON A ZERO LOT LINE, WHICH I THINK WE'LL SEE MORE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK, UM, UH, A SPECIAL ATTEMPT OR AN, UM, ADDITIONAL ATTEMPT TO BE NEIGHBORLY WILL GO A LONG WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL SUPPORT THIS MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WERE SAYING, RIGHT? UH, THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE FEW ARE THE ONES, SOMEBODY'S GONNA LOSE A VIEW, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU TAKE A MINUTE, MAYBE DROPPING DOWN A COUPLE OF INCHES ON THAT ONE LITTLE TOP UP THERE OR WORKING THROUGH IT, DO THE LINE OF SIDE STUDY, FIGURE OUT WHO'S GONNA LOSE LESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S A GOOD NAME. 
          YOU GUYS, THAT BUILDING SHARES RESOURCES WITH THE OTHER BUILDING. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THERE'S A LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO IT JUST KEEP, AND AGAIN, I WOULD ECHO THE PUBLIC. 
          SOMEBODY'S GONNA LOSE A VIEW, BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT GOES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          ZUKO. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA. 
          AYE. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, 2 0 1. 
          NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S, THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. EDDIE ROBINSON, UH, IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ARD ROBINSON WITH JURY SOUTHWEST. 
          UM, WE, I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT. 
          WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I INVITE THE PROSPECTIVE TENANT UP HERE AS WELL? YES. 
          UH, TERRY CORLESS WITH THE MAD DOG GROUP. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PATIO AT TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. 
          WE ORIGINALLY SPOKE WITH, UH, C C D O. 
          UH, WE DO, WE'RE WANTING, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL PATIO SPACE ACROSS FROM THE RESTAURANT. 
          UH, THERE'S GONNA BE BASICALLY TWO SEPARATE BUSINESSES. 
          THE REASON WE ARE NOT ABLE TO DO A PATIO NEXT TO THE BUILDING, WHICH FROM THE COLLAR AND THE PERSON WHO WROTE A LETTER IS OKAY, WAS NEXT TO THE BUILDING. 
          THEY'RE NOT OKAY WITH IT ACROSS THE SIDEWALK. 
          WE COULD NOT ACCOMMODATE, UH, 
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NEXT TO THE BUILDING ON THE, UM, WHAT, WHAT IS GONNA BE A BAR BECAUSE THERE IS AN A D A RAMP GOING DOWN INTO THE HOTEL ENTRANCE. 
          SO FOR THAT REASON, WE, UH, WENT ACROSS THE SIDEWALK AND WOULD LIKE TO USE THE SPACE BASICALLY IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO CONCRETE BENCHES. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER GROUP, BUT I DIDN'T PULL THE ITEM, SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          WELL, UM, MR. CHAIR, I, UM, PULLED THE ITEM BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S REMINISCENT OF THE PROJECT. 
          WE HAD A PROJECT THAT HAD SOME PALM TREES IN ONE OF THE OTHER AREAS. 
          AND, UM, JUST, I JUST WANTED TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS ACTUALLY TO KINDA REMOVE THE RIVERWALK, UH, UH, UH, GREEN SPACE, UM, IN, IN TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE BASED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK, THE SIDEWALK THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, THE, THERE YOU, YOU JUST EXHAUSTED ALL, ALL POSSIBLE, UH, SOLUTIONS FOR, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA INCREASE, UH, UH, OCCUPANCY WITHOUT GAINING MORE SPACE, BUT YOU DO SEE THAT AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE KIND OF LOSING THE RIVER WALK VERY FAST. 
          UH, AGAIN, IT'S THE, THERE'S AN A D A RAMP THAT GOES DOWN INTO THE ENTRANCE. 
          UM, ONE, ONE OPTION COULD BE, I MEAN, WE HADN'T LOOKED AT IT, BUT YOU SEE THOSE TWO CONCRETE BENCHES. 
          US AS THE OWNERSHIP GROUP ACTUALLY ADDED THOSE WHEN WE RENOVATED THE BUILDING. 
          YOU KNOW, COULD WE POTENTIALLY REMOVE THOSE BENCHES AND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY TAKE OVER THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE AND JUST MOVE THE LANDSCAPE IN, UH, TO THE SIDES, IF YOU WILL. 
          WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE HOMELESS AND UH, UH, JUST VAGRANT KIND OF CAMPING OUT AT THOSE BENCHES. 
          AND, UH, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND NOT REALLY LOSE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING. 
          IT WOULD JUST MOVE TO THE AREAS WHERE THE BENCHES ARE. 
          WELL, WELL, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF, OF, UM, OF TIME, WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO COME BACK AND, AND BRING A REVISED PLAN THAT THAT INDICATES, UH, THOSE REVISIONS? BECAUSE IT, IT, IT WOULD AL IT. 
          IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A DRAWING. 
          IT'S, IT'S NEVER GONNA BE, I MEAN, I WOULD IMAGINE IT'D BE KINDA HARD TO GET A COMMITMENT IN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          JUST REMOVE THAT, REMOVE THAT, AND DO THIS AND DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING ANYTHING THAT SAYS WHAT, WHAT THAT ACTUALLY IS. 
          AND AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR, WELL, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF A COMMITMENT, RIGHT. 
          IN TERMS OF US BEING ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE COMMITTING TO THIS STAFF, THIS IS THE PLAN, WITHOUT A DRAWING, IT'S, IT'S KINDA HARD TO DO THAT. 
          WOULD STAFF AGREE? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE AT CONCEPTUAL REVIEW RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, SO THERE WILL HAVE TO BE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT ADDRESSES WHATEVER THE DIRECTION HERE IS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK, THANK YOU. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN CONCEPTUAL, SO THAT'S TOTALLY, WE, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          COMMISSIONER GROOVE. 
          YES. 
          SO, WELL NOW THAT RAISED ANOTHER QUESTION REAL QUICK. 
          THOSE BENCHES. 
          SO WE SAID WHEN THEY REMODELED LESS THAN, WHEN WAS THOSE, SO BASICALLY JUST MAYBE TO STAFF, WOULD THOSE BE ABLE TO BE REMOVED? I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH THEM. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE HAMAN. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD WANNA VERIFY THAT. 
          I MEAN, THEY LOOK, THEY CERTAINLY COULD BE RELOCATED. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN OPTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT FULL REMOVAL IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS INTERESTED IN BECAUSE IT IS AN AMENITY TO THE RIVERWALK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN IF YOU GO TO SLIDE 13, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, GREEN SPACE KIND OF BETWEEN THAT AREA AND THE RIVER. 
          UH, SLIDE 13, ONE MORE. 
          AND I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, UM, THOSE TWO TREES, 'CAUSE I GUESS PALMS AND THE PUZZLE PLANTS ARE EASIER TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MOVE AROUND WITHOUT ONE. 
          WERE THOSE TREES PLANTED? I GUESS YOU PLANTED THEM, THEY'RE VERY RECENT. 
          UM, LIKE THIS YEAR, POTENTIALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, OPPOSED TO THIS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          I THINK THE APPLICANT IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S OPTIONS. 
          THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, I CAN'T COMPARE THIS TO THE PALM TREES, WHICH WERE, YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH OLDER, FURTHER DOWN THE RAILROAD. 
          THIS IS, UH, A PLANTING THAT I THINK COULD BE RELOCATED VERY EASILY. 
          AND THAT PLANTING IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE, UH, RECENT, UH, A LOT OF THE SMALLER PLANTS, UH, WITH THE FREEZE AND EVERYTHING, UM, JUST COMPLETELY DIED. 
          AND ALL THOSE HAVE RECENTLY BEEN REPLACED. 
          AND THEN JUST ONE MORE NOTE AT THAT PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS BASICALLY TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS. 
          SO THE BOTTOM LEVEL WOULD REMAIN THE SAME, 
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AND THAT TOP LEVEL WOULD BE WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING THE PATIO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST A QUICK OPERATIONAL QUESTION. 
          SO THE TWO SEATING AREAS THAT, UH, ARE BEING PROPOSED, THEY'RE ALL SERVING PATRONS FOR THE SAME BAR, RIGHT? IT'S NOT D NO, THERE'S THE TWO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, UH, TWO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES. 
          UH, 5,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, SPACE ON THE RIGHT WHERE THAT, THE PATIO IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A RESTAURANT. 
          AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE IS GONNA BE 1500 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS GONNA BE TURNED INTO A BAR. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE CONCEPT, BASICALLY HAVING A PATIO SPACE FOR EACH LOCATION. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           COMMISSIONER SINE. 
          YEAH. 
          NOW I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE BENCHES. 
          ARE THE BENCHES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR ARE THEY ON YOUR PROPERTY? ON THE BUILDING PROPERTY? EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE, THE BUILDING WALL IS PUBLIC. 
          PUBLIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE BENCHES ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO CURRENTLY WE'RE THINKING THAT THE PUBLIC IS USING THEM. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I, I, MY STATEMENT WAS THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE THE COMPANY THAT INSTALLED THEM WHEN WE RENOVATED THE HOTEL. 
          THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          ? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, I'VE GOT A TECHNICAL QUESTION. 
          IF YOU CAN, STAFF CAN MOVE TO SLIDE EIGHT AND KEEP THAT IMAGE THAT WE JUST HAD UP HANDY. 
          AND GO AHEAD AND ZOOM IN NICE AND TIGHT ON THIS. 
          SO THE, THE WALL THAT WE SEE THERE, THE RETAINING WALL REQUIRED, THAT IS THE UPPER RETAINING WALL, CORRECT? NOT THE LOWER RETAINING WALL. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE RE THE RE EXCUSE ME, THE RETAINING WALL THERE, IT'S A TWO LEVEL RIVER WALK, UH, GREEN SPACE WE ARE NOT TOUCHING. 
          AND THAT'S QUITE UNUSUAL. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT THIS TWO TIER OF GREENERY. 
          WE ARE ONLY PROPOSING TAKING THE UPPER AREA. 
          UH, AND AS, UM, EDDIE PROPOSED ALSO, THE OBJECTION WE HAD WAS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WE WERE LOSING OF GREENERY. 
          WELL, THAT WOULD ALMOST BE COMPLETELY COMPENSATED IF THEY WERE TO TAKE AWAY THE SEATING. 
          NOW THE SEATING HISTORICALLY, AND I I I TALK SINCE PANDEMIC HAS BEEN REAL PROBLEMATIC, UM, WE ON THE RIVERWALK HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN POLICING THE WELLBEING, THE MAINTENANCE, AND OBVIOUSLY THE HOMELESS PROBLEMS ON THE RIVERWALK AND SEATING AREAS SUCH AS THIS HAVE NOT BEEN VERY HELPFUL WHEN IT COMES TO SS A P P D, KEEPING THE AREA SAFE AND CLEAN, PARTICULARLY AT NIGHT. 
          UM, SO WE COULD ON THAT UPPER AREA, REMOVE THESE TWO SEATING AREAS, WHICH WERE INDEED PROVIDED BY THE HOTEL. 
          AND THAT WOULD ALMOST ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAD WITH REGARD TO THE LOSS OF SPACE. 
          THE OTHER THING IS, AS POINTED OUT BY EDDIE EARLIER, THAT THE SNOWMAGEDDON, UH, AND THE PANDEMIC REALLY LEFT THAT IN A COMPLETELY UNKEPT, MUDDY CONDITION. 
          AND IT'S ONLY PARTIALLY RE REGROWN AND REBUILT BACK. 
          BUT OUR COMMITMENT IS TO TOTALLY EMBELLISH ALL THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF POTENTIAL GREENERY TO A, A FAR HIGHER LEVEL THAN IT'S NOW. 
          SO IN THIS, IN THIS IMAGE THAT WE SEE, THE, THE LOWER PLANTING AREA REMAINS AND THE NEW HARDSCAPE IS GOING UP TO THE TOP OF THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL WITHOUT ALTERING THAT WALL? OR DOES IT DROP BEHIND IT? YEAH, WE, WELL, WE DON'T TOUCH THE, THE LOWER AREA AT ALL EXCEPT TO POSSIBLY PUT MORE PLANTERS. 
          WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO TOUCH THE AESTHETICS OF THE, THE WALL SUPPORTING IT, BUT WE ARE GETTING THE ENGINEERS TO LOOK AT, TO WHETHER FOUR TABLES ON THE TOP AREA MIGHT NEED TO FURTHER BE SUPPORTED. 
          UM, SO IT'S REALLY WHETHER WE NEED TO CREATE, UM, SUPPORTIVE ENGINEERING IN ORDER TO, UM, HAVE THE PEOPLE AND THE WEIGHT OF THE TABLE SIT ON THE TOP OF THAT AREA. 
          AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE REQUESTING ABOUT 11, 11 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK TO THAT WALL FOR, FOR SEATING. 
          YOU'RE SHOWING FOUR TOPS THERE, LIKE 20 SEATS. 
          IS THAT JUST ILLUSTRATIVE AND THE DIMENSIONAL DEPTH THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY? OR IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT HARDSCAPE CAN STEP BACK FROM THE EXISTING WALL? YEAH, NO, WE, WE, WE PREDICATE THE, THE LINEAR SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED ON THE, THE TABLE THAT WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED. 
          SO WE REVERSE ENGINEERED IT, BUT, UH, WE MET WITH CITY STAFF THERE AND IT SEEMED TO BE FAIR AND DOABLE, BEARING IN MIND THE TWO, THE TWO, UH, CRITERIA. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE WANTED THE TABLES AND THEY SAID THAT'S HOW MUCH WE, WE MEASURED OUT WHAT THOSE TABLES WOULD REPRESENT IN SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          IT, IT, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO ME, BUT I MEAN, IN MANY, MANY CONFIGURATIONS ALONG THE RIVERWALK, YOU, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY TWO OR THREE FEET BETWEEN THE, THE ILLUSTRATIVE CORNER 
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OF THE TABLE AND THE WALL. 
          UM, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE YOU COULD FIT WITH A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION OF THESE TABLES. 
          YOU COULD ALMOST DOUBLE THE SEATING CAPACITY. 
          SO I'M ASKED, MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU DESIGNING TO THAT SEATING CAPACITY OR, OR IS WHAT REALLY WHAT YOU'RE REALLY GONNA DO THERE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? AND THIS IS JUST ILLUSTRATIVE OF THE DEPTH? WELL, THE TRUTH, TRUTH BE KNOWN, DEPENDING ON BOOKINGS, RESERVATIONS AND TABLE, UH, REQUIREMENTS, WE, WE JOIN TABLES TOGETHER. 
          WE MAKE FOUR TOPS, TWO TOPS. 
          SO I, I COULDN'T REALLY COMMIT, OBVIOUSLY. 
          AND IF THEY, IF ALL OF, IF YOU DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF TABLES AND CHANGE THE ORIENTATION ON THESE WHERE THERE ARE TWO TABLES TOGETHER VERTICALLY, THEN YOUR, YOUR REQUEST FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE THAN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR NOW. 
          'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR ACTUALLY SEATS A MUCH LARGER CAPACITY THAN WHAT'S ILLUSTRATED AND WHAT IS TYPICAL ON THE RIVERWALK. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE EDGE CONDITIONS WHERE THE FURNITURE IS, ARE QUITE TIGHT UP AGAINST A RETAINING WALL OR UP AGAINST THE SIDEWALK. 
          AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE HERE. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING HERE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IN TERMS OF NEEDS OR DEMANDS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED AT THIS POINT, AND THERE'S A DEPTH THERE AND YOU'VE FILLED IN A CERTAIN WIDTH TO ACHIEVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU'RE . 
          YEAH. 
          AND FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, I GUESS WE DID FILL IT OUT BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE WALKING ACROSS IT. 
          SO FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA BE WALKING ACROSS GREEN SPACE IN ORDER TO GET TO, SO I, I GUESS WE COULD, I KNOW, MOVE, MOVE IT A FOOT EITHER WAY. 
          UH, I TAKE YOUR POINT, BUT WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T REALLY CONSIDER THAT WE TOOK A LOGICAL SPACE THAT SEEMED TO BE SURROUNDED BY THE, THE, THE GREEN, UH, AREA. 
          SO, UH, WE WE'RE FLEXIBLE, I GUESS IS THE ANSWER. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE DESIGN, BUT ABOUT THE, UH, I GUESS LOGISTICS OF THIS, UH, WILL Y'ALL BE NEEDING TO LEASE THIS PROPERTY FROM THE CITY? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SINCE IT IS, UH, PUBLIC PROPERTY ALSO, WOULD, UH, T B A C REQUIRE YOU TO PUT SOME SORT OF, UH, FENCE BARRIER AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER SINCE YOU ARE SERVING ALCOHOL? I'M NOT, NOT  YOU SPEAK A VERY, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE RULES WITH REGARD TO T A B C AND PATIO PERIMETERS DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE POLICED AND, AND OBSERVED IN ANY OF THE RIVERWALK PATIO SPACES. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS AN EXEMPTION, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY AN AREA I DON'T WANT TO TALK ON BECAUSE EVERY RESTAURANT PATIO ON THE RIVERWALK, PRETTY MUCH EVERY, EVERYONE IS LACKING WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE ASKED AT STREET LEVEL OR A SUBURBAN RESTAURANT PATIO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? OR IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL DO A MOTION COMMISSIONER GROUP MOTION TO CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER GROUP? THIS IS CONCEPTUAL AND, AND, AND, AND I, I THINK A LOT OF THE, THE, THE REASON WHY I AM, I'M IN FAVOR IS THAT THESE SPECIFIC PLANTINGS HERE ARE VERY YOUNG. 
          UM, IF WE GO FURTHER DOWN, IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT SET OF BENCHES, THERE'S TREES, THERE'S PALM TREES, MUCH MORE MATURE, UM, JUST ON THE, FROM THE PICTURES I COULD SEE. 
          UM, SO I FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I ALSO, I'M A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS OF, YOU KNOW, JUST DO CREATING A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, ENJOYING THE RURAL WALK. 
          SO, I MEAN, I'M IN FAVOR OF EXPLORING THE IDEA OF REMOVING THOSE BENCHES OR RELOCATING TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, RELOCATION OF THE GREEN SPACE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PART OF THE STIPULATION, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, RELOCATING THE PLANTS OR ADDING MORE PLANTS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT COULD BE DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IS CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED. 
          AND I THINK ALL OUR CONVERSATION TODAY IS LEADING TOWARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, BILLING TO DO THAT. 
          ANYWAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          YEAH, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHOLE PUTTING A RAILING UP OR FENCING IT OFF, AND IT'S NOT POLICED UP NOW NO ONE CARES RIGHT NOW UNTIL SOMEONE DECIDES TO SAY, HEY, GUESS WHAT? YOU GOTTA HAVE FENCES ON ALL YOUR PATIO, UH, UH, PROPERTIES IF YOU'RE GONNA SERVE ALCOHOL. 
          AND THEN THAT STARTS POPPING UP. 
          I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THERE. 
          AS ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS SAID, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SEATED 20, WAS IT FIVE TABLES OF FOUR PEOPLE? YOU CAN PROBABLY SQUEEZE A LOT MORE IN THERE, WHICH WILL 
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THEN THEN CHANGE THE VIEW AS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, ON THE RIVER BOAT, LOOKING AT THAT IN EMBANKMENT THERE, YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, 30 PEOPLE THERE HANG, HANGING OUT, WHICH CHANGES THE, THE VIEW OF, OF THE RIVERWALK ITSELF, AT LEAST FROM THAT PART RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YEAH, I HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER FISH BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE SEATING AND THE AREA DEDICATED TO THE PAVING AREA REGARDING TO THE SEATING CAPACITY DESIRE, ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER CERVANTES HAS, UM, THOUGHT ABOUT THE NUMBER, THE GROSS NUMBER OF TABLES AND SERVICE, AND THEN WE BEGAN TO HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF SERVICE CROSSING THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND WE SEE THAT IN SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE RIVERWALK, AND IT DOES MAKE IT A BIT OF A CHALLENGE FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENJOY THEIR PART OF THE, OF THE RIVERWALK. 
          UM, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING, SO PLEASE DO. 
          SORRY. 
          I MEAN, YOU MAKE A COUPLE OF GOOD POINTS, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL FOR US TO TAKE ON A RESTAURANT LEASE TO HAVE, UM, V VISIBILITY. 
          UH, THAT SPACE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR NEARLY SEVEN YEARS NOW, AND I, I, TO A LARGE EXTENT, I PUT IT DOWN TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO CURB APPEAL OR, OR VISIBILITY TO, TO ANSWER YOUR POINTS. 
          UM, THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT BECOMES OUR SHOP WINDOW. 
          IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOME RESTRICTION ON TABLES OR SEATING, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          THE, THE IDEA IS THAT IF WE ARE GONNA COMMIT TO A LONG-TERM LEASE IN A, A SEMI BASEMENT LOCATION MM-HMM. 
          , WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THE CUSTOMERS CAN SEE THAT WE'RE IN EXISTING BUSINESS, RIGHT? SO WE ARE QUITE PREPARED TO LISTEN TO THOSE CONCERNS. 
          AND IF YOU SAY, DON'T EXCEED THESE TABLES, DON'T EXCEED THESE SEATINGS, WE'RE WITH YOU. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL DO BETWEEN CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, SHOULD THIS PASS AND A FINAL APPLICATION, AND YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO, I JUST WANNA QUICKLY ADD, LIKE, THAT'S VERY MUCH PART OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT NEGOTIATIONS WITH C C D O. 
          THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT CROSS TRAFFIC. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT IF IT, YOU KNOW, IMPEDES PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AT ALL. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF GET THE IDEA OF LIKE HOW MANY TABLES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UH, FOR A LEASE SPACE. 
          AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY HRCS PURVIEW, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THE CITY'S CONSIDERING. 
          I THINK IT, IT, I THINK IT DOES BEGIN TO TOUCH ON OUR PURVIEW AS IT TOUCHES ON THE CHARACTER OF THE RIVERWALK. 
          UM, SO BETWEEN THESE TIMES, YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS A A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND RESPOND TO, UM, THE ORGANIZATION'S COMMENTS, STAFF'S COMMENTS, UM, VIA, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, I WOULD, UM, I JUST WANNA OFFER THE COMMENT THAT, UM, AS YOU DO WANNA INCREASE YOUR CAPACITY IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT FRONT WINDOW OR THAT FRONT, UM, UH, THAT, UH, MORE PUBLIC AREA FOR YOUR BUSINESS, BUT HIGHLY HIGHER, MORE, I'M SORRY, UH, HIGHER VISIBILITY, UM, TO, UH, BRING IN CUSTOMERS, UM, YOU MAY WANNA THINK ABOUT MAKING THAT SPACE A SPACE WITHIN THE GREEN AND THE TREES, RATHER THAN YOU TAKING A SLICE AWAY ALONG THAT LINE AND THAT LINE, AND THAT'S OURS. 
          THINK ABOUT HOW PERHAPS THAT, UM, PERSPECTIVE OF CREATING A PLACE WITHIN THE GREEN COULD, UM, MAYBE ENHANCE THAT PUBLIC IMAGE OR, UM, UH, THE, THE, THE SPIRIT OF YOUR PLACE. 
          SO SHOULD THAT BE REFLECTED IN THE VISUAL WE PROVIDE YOU? YEAH. 
          'CAUSE WE, WE CAN PUT PLANTERS, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT SHOULD CHANGING THE SHAPE. 
          I I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TRULY WANNA GO WITH FOUR, FIVE TABLES OF FOUR, IF THAT'S TRULY YOUR GOAL, THEN YOU CAN MAKE THAT A LOT SMALLER. 
          COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SHAPE OF THE SPACE AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN TO MAKE IT LESS OF A FOREIGN OUT OF CHARACTER ELEMENT ALONG WITH THE RIVER WALK. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, IT IS THE, THE OCCUPANCY AND THE, AND THE OPERATIONS THAT CHANGED THE CHARACTER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE CITY STAFF DID EDUCATE US ABOUT THE, THE, THE DESIRE NOT TO HAVE TOO MANY SERVERS CROSSING, UH, WHICH IS WHY WE PUT THE COCKTAIL BAR THERE, THE OTHERS, WHICH IS GONNA HAVE FAR FEWER WAITER AND WAITRESS VISITATION. 
          SO THEY HAVE EDUCATED US ALONG THE WAY AND WE WANT TO CONFORM WITH BEST WE CAN. 
          GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          PUSH, PUSH THE DESIGN, UM, WHILE YOU CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT I HOPE YOU DO EXPLORE SOME AREA, SOME, SOME WAYS TO SOFTEN THIS LANDSCAPE EDGE. 
          IF WE JUST LOOK A LITTLE BIT STAFF, COULD YOU ZOOM IN ON THIS IMAGE? AND I, I WANT TO JUST KIND OF DESCRIBE SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF MY CONCERN THAT I SHARE WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          IF THERE WAS A VEGETATIVE STRIP ABOVE THAT EXISTING RETAINING WALL, YOU KNOW, TO THE DISTANCE OF, OF 12 INCHES OR SOMETHING, SO PLANTS COULD BE MAINTAINED, THE IMAGE OF THE RIVER FROM THOSE WALLS, 
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FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER IS MORE OR LESS MAINTAINED. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO TIERS OF PLANTS. 
          WHEN THE PAVEMENT COMES ALL THE WAY TO THAT WALL, WHAT IT WE PROBABLY HAVE IS PLANTS AND POTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAINTAIN THAT UPPER TIER OF VEGETATION, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF MY CONCERN ABOUT HOW THIS IMPACTS THE CHARACTER OF, OF THE RIVER WALL CAN DO THAT. 
          AND THAT, THAT WAS THE NATURE OF MY QUESTION IN, IN TERMS OF USAGE. 
          IS THERE FLEXIBILITY HERE TO PULL SOME OF THAT PAVEMENT BACK FROM THE EDGE? NO, I, I, IT IS A PRETTY UGLY SQUARE DESIGN AND I GET IT. 
          WE'LL CHANGE THAT . 
          THANK YOU . 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, JUST TO KIND OF DIRECT MY COMMENTS TO, TO THE COMMISSION, UM, IF, IF STAFF COULD GO TO IMAGE, UM, 1611, IMAGE 11, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A PARTICULAR, UH, CHARACTER OF THE RIVER. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE, YOU SEE ON ONE SIDE THERE'S A, A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD WALKWAY, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE'S A GREEN SPACE, AND THEN THERE'S A WALKWAY. 
          TO ME, THAT SEEMS VERY INTENTIONAL AND, AND IT'S NOT A, A, A PATTERN THAT EXISTS JUST THERE ON THE RIVER, BUT IT'S A PATTERN THAT EXISTS IN THE STREETS WHERE YOU SEE A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE AND THE SIDEWALK'S NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PATTERN, TO ME, SEEMS TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO THE CHARACTER OF THE RIVERWALK. 
          NOW, THE REAL QUESTION IS WHO, WHO'S THE RIVERWALK OR WHAT'S THE RIVERWALK TO YOU, RIGHT? IS IS THE RIVERWALK, LIKE, IT'S VERY CONGESTED, UH, UM, ENTERTAINMENT AREAS LIKE AT THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS AND THOSE OF Y'ALL THAT HAVE HUNG OUT ON THE RIVER, RIGHT? UM, THAT THERE ARE AREAS THAT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, 40 YEARS HAVE BECOME CONGESTED. 
          AND WE KIND OF ACCEPT THEM BECAUSE WELL KIND KIND OF, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT. 
          THEY'VE PARTY AREAS, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? AND THEN THERE ARE THE OTHER AREAS OF THE RIVER THAT HAVE BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE, OR, OR HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, TO, TO MAINTAIN THE ROMANTICISM, RIGHT? OF THE RIVER, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ALSO A CHARACTERISTIC OF THE RIVER. 
          I THINK THERE'S ONE OF THE HOTELS THAT HAS THE ROSE WINDOW IN, ITS, IN ITS, UH, UH, UH, FACADE ELEMENTS. 
          SO THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER PIECE OF THE CHARACTER OF THE RIVER, RIGHT? SO, SO GETTING TO WHETHER A BUSINESS SUCCEEDS OR DOESN'T SUCCEED, I DON'T NECESSARILY NOTICE THE PURVIEW OF THE H D R C WITH RESPECT TO A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER. 
          NOW, IF IT'S A REQUEST TO WORK WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE RIVER, WELL THEN I THINK IT MAKES SENSE, UM, WHICH DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, IT JUST MEANS THAT IT'S A CHICKEN OR THE EGG THING, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED FIRST, THE IDEA THAT THE BUSINESS WAS GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL, THAT WAS DESIGNED AS IT'S DESIGNED, OR IF, UM, IF IT WAS POORLY DESIGNED, AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO FIX A POORLY DESIGNED, UH, THEORY, RIGHT? BUT, BUT WHATEVER THE CIRCUMSTANCES IT, THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT IMPACTS THIS URBAN PATTERN, THAT SETS UP A PRECEDENT BECAUSE IT WILL SET UP A PRECEDENT. 
          AND I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN THAT IN THE WAY OF US MAKING DECISIONS. 
          I MEAN IT IN THE WAY OF THE URBAN PATTERN OF THE RIVER TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE, WE ARE INDEED SAYING THAT PERHAPS IT'S A TIME TO SAY GOODBYE TO A PARTICULAR BEHAVIOR ON THE RIVER, AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN BREATHE AS YOU WALK THROUGH. 
          UM, SO WITH RESPECT TO WHAT HAPPENS, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT PERHAPS THERE'S A WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT CHANGING THE, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE, I GUESS THE, THE RIVER, UH, FIELD, THE RIVER PATTERN, AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE CONCRETE PATTERN, WHETHER THAT'S DONE THROUGH, UM, A CREST GRANITE SOLUTION OR IT'S DONE THROUGH A MULCH SOLUTION OR, OR, OR WHATEVER WOULD NOT BE THE PROBLEM OF THE RIVER, BUT MORE THE PROBLEM OF WHOEVER WANTS TO USE IT. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT, IT JUST BECOMES A LITTLE BIT, UM, UH, CONCERNING TO, TO, TO COMMIT TO A LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, WELL, IT'S A NEW TREE. 
          I IMAGINE THAT THEY PLANTED THE TREE THERE, THEY HAD A REASON WHEN THEY PLANTED IT, THEY GET, THEY HAD A GOOD REASON, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT THE REASON FOR PLANTING THAT TREE ISN'T AS GOOD AS THE NEXT REASON, WHICH JUST DOESN'T SUPPORT THE CONSISTENCY OF WHAT THE PATTERN SEEMS TO BE ASKING FOR. 
          AND, AND HAVING BEEN SUPPORTED IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THIS DECISION, SO I, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT THE ONLY SOLUTION IS A CONCRETE SOLUTION. 
          THE SOLUTION CAN BE A MORE, UH, UM, UH, GARDEN SOLUTION. 
          UM, AND WITHIN, I WOULD SEND 'EM BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD BECAUSE MAYBE YOU'RE MISSING A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU JUST HAVEN'T CONSIDERED BECAUSE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT IS PAVE IT, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT, BUT NOT THAT YOU'RE RIGHT OR THAT WE'RE RIGHT MORE THAT IT COMES TO KIND OF A CULTURAL DECISION AS TO WHERE WE THINK WE, WE, WE SEE THE RIVER GOING IN THIS AREA. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE, UM, UH, MY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS ABOUT THIS, AND PARTICULARLY THE SUGGESTION OF MAYBE INTRODUCING SOME OF A PLANTING BUFFER ON THAT RIVERSIDE, UH, EDGE OF THE, THE, THE PATIO, UH, THE PROPOSED PATIO. 
          BUT I THINK IT IN GENERAL RIGHT NOW, UM, I, I REALLY SHARE THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S CONCERNS ABOUT THIS 
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SORT OF EROSION, AND BY TAKING BITES OUT OF THAT, WHEREAS OTHERWISE, SORT OF THE CONTINUITY OF A LANDSCAPE, UH, PORTION HERE BETWEEN THESE TWO BRIDGES, UM, THE CHARACTER OF THE RIVERWALK, AS, AS WAS POINTED OUT IN THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, DOES CHANGE PRETTY DRAMATICALLY FROM PLACE TO PLACE TO PLACE ALONG IT. 
          BUT THERE'S REAL CONTINUITY WITHIN THIS IMMEDIATE CONTEXT THAT I THINK THIS PROPOSED SEATING AREA KIND OF DISRUPTS. 
          SO, UH, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS MOTION RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, A MORE IN DEPTH EXPLORATION OF A KIND OF A RADICAL REWORKING OF THAT, OF THE, OF THE HANDICAP RAMP AND IN THAT AREA TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE OF A DINING, UH, PAVILION OR A DINING PATIO THAT S SUPPORTS THE BAR. 
          A AND KIND OF KEEPS ALL OF THOSE SORT OF A ACTIVE FUNCTIONS CLOSER TO THE BUILDINGS AND MAINTAINS THE, THE PLANTING, UH, SWATH THROUGH HERE SINCE THAT IS THE, THE EXISTING CHARACTER, THIS PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE RIVER PARK. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I GUESS MY COMMENTS WOULD, UH, ECHO, THOSE ARE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS CONCERNED THAT, UM, LOSING THE CHARACTER OF THE, UH, RIVER AT THIS LOCATION, UH, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, PAVED SURFACE HERE, UH, BASICALLY, AND I KNOW THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, AND YOU'VE BASICALLY PAVED FROM BENCH TO BENCH AND FROM SIDEWALK TO RETAINING WALL. 
          AND, UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER FISH SAID, THERE MAY BE SOME, UH, OPPORTUNITIES IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TO, UH, DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, HARDSCAPE, ADD SOME MORE PLANTING TO, UH, AGAIN, REINFORCE THE, THE, UH, UH, NATIVE NA NATURE OF THIS AREA. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. 
          UM, OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR A, UH, ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          GIBBS NAYYY FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ NAY. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER, NICK GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES, NO. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          IT'S FIVE FOUR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, YOU HAVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, SO WE LOOK FOR A, UM, MORE FURTHER IN-DEPTH DESIGN AND, AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
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AGENDA ITEM 18. 
          AGENDA ITEMS 15, 16, AND 17 WERE POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANTS ITEM 18 ON THE AGENDA. 
          H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 58 11 15 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE FRONT SIDE AND REAR YARDS, INSTALL SEVEN METAL PLANTERS IN THE FRONT YARD AND RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, INSTALLATION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE FRONT SIDE AND REAR YARDS BASED ON FINDING B. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT INCLUDES AT LEAST 50% NATURAL VEGETATION. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, INSTALLATION OF SEVEN PLANTERS BASED ON FINDING C. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT BRINGS THE LANDSCAPING INTO COMPLIANCE BASED ON FINDING B. 
          IF H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF IS PRESENTED, THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND THE APPLICANT MAY RETURN TO H D R C FOR HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. 
          UM, AND I HAVE, UH, LETTERS ON FILE FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW. 
          UM, WE HAVE 31 VOICEMAILS TO GO THROUGH, AND THEN THE APPLICANT, MICHAEL PEREZ AND OWNERS ROBERT MADANO AND CHRISTINA MADANO ARE HERE IN PERSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOULD THE APPLICANT'S PLEASE COME FORWARD? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MICHAEL ANDREW PETTIS, THREE 30 MISSION STREET. 
          I'M THE APPLICANT AND HUSBAND OF THE FOUNDER OF M S A MASTER SEED ACADEMY. 
          UM, UM, CHRISTINA MADANO, UH, BACK IN APRIL, I ASSISTED THEM WITH THE APPLICATION FOR A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION TO THE BUILDING FOR MORE CLASSROOM 
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SPACE, WHICH H D R C APPROVED. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UH, OUR PRESENTATION WE'VE PRACTICED IS A LITTLE OVER 12 MINUTES OF OUR ALLOTTED TIME, SO I, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO MY WIFE AND FA FATHER-IN-LAW, JUST LIKE TO ASK FOR JUST A FEW MORE MINUTES TO GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION SO WE CAN HAVE A THOROUGH AND COMPLETE PRESENTATION. 
          AND I WILL TURN IT OVER, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY WIFE AND SHE CAN GO THROUGH HER PRESENTATION AND THEN MY FATHER-IN-LAW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          H T R C. 
          MY NAME IS CHRISTINA MENO AND I AM THE FOUNDER OF MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY. 
          MY ADDRESS IS THREE 30 MISSION STREET, AND I HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU ALL THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU. 
          AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK. 
          SO FIRST, THIS IS MASTER SEED ACADEMY. 
          UH, WE OPENED IN 2013, SO THIS YEAR WE WILL BE, UM, CELEBRATING OUR 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY. 
          YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WAY IT STARTED. 
          I USED TO BE A DUAL LANGUAGE TEACHER AT BONHAM ACADEMY, AND I SAW THE NEED FOR A SPANISH IMMERSION DAYCARE PRESCHOOL IN THE AREA, AND THAT'S HOW MUSTARD SEED CAME TO BE ABOUT. 
          UH, IN THE 10 YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS, OUR, OUR MAIN PRIORITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAFETY OF OUR STUDENTS, AND OF COURSE, IMMERSING THEM IN THE SPANISH LANGUAGE AND SPANISH CULTURE. 
          UM, WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOING FIELD TRIPS, WE DO, UH, EVENTS AT THE SCHOOL TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER, AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT THAT. 
          OKAY, HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF US IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE KIDDOS WENT ON A FIELD TRIP JUST LOOKING AT THE MURALS. 
          UM, WE USED TO GO TO MAD HATERS WHEN IT WAS HERE AND DO TEA PARTIES AND JUST DIFFERENT, UM, EVENTS THAT WE'VE ALSO HAD AT THE SCHOOL, LIKE THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE EVERY YEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          , HERE ARE MORE PICTURES OF JUST DIFFERENT, UM, FIELD TRIPS AND EVENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. 
          CAN GO TO THE NEXT AND MORE PICTURES OF MORE EVENTS UP THERE WHERE, UH, GIVING OUT SOME GOODIE BAGS DURING THE PANDEMIC WE'RE VERY HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SURVIVE THAT AND, UH, STILL BE IN IN BUSINESS. 
          NOW YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          SO BEFORE, BEFORE THE TURF, WE TRIED DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          WE TRIED, UM, GRASS, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GROW WITH 85 LITTLE CHILDREN RUNNING ON IT AND WALKING ON IT, SO THAT DID NOT LAST. 
          AND IT ALSO ATTRACTS INSECTS AND BACTERIA, WHICH CAN BE HARMFUL TO THE CHILDREN. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE FOUND IS THAT WHEN IT RAINS, THE SOD BECOMES MUD AND WE ARE UNABLE TO TAKE THE CHILDREN OUTSIDE UNTIL IT DRIES COMPLETELY, WHICH CAN BE DAYS. 
          UH, THE WOOD MULCH, UH, AND RUBBER MULCH. 
          WE'VE ALSO TRIED THAT AND THAT DIDN'T WORK. 
          THE WOOD MULCH HAS SPLINTERS AND THE CHILDREN CAN GET HURT. 
          AND THE RUBBER MULCH, THE CHILDREN JUST LOVE TAKING IT HOME. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY PUT IT IN THEIR PANTS AND THEIR SHIRT AND THEIR SHOES. 
          AND THEN THEY ALSO USE IT TO THROW AT OTHER CHILDREN, WHICH HAS CAUSED INJURY TO THEIR EYES. 
          AND THEN THE LITTLE ONES LIKE TO EAT IT, SO IT DID NOT WORK OUT. 
          AND THEN, UH, GREAT SLIPPERY. 
          SO IT WAS CAUSING A LOT, A LOT OF ACCIDENTS. 
          AND SO THAT ALSO DID NOT WORK OUT FOR US. 
          SO YOU CAN KEEP GOING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S A VIDEO. 
          YOU CAN CLICK ON IT AND THEN OH, OKAY. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT WAS JUST A VIDEO OF WHAT WE HAD BEFORE, AND, UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT IN OTHER PICTURES. 
          IT'S BASICALLY JUST MUD, UM, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, GRASS DOES NOT GROW ON, ON, UM, ON THAT AREA. 
          HERE WE HAVE THE CHILDREN DURING A FIRE DRILL, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S WHERE, WHERE THEY PLAY IN THAT MUD. 
          UM, YOU CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE AND HERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE, AND THAT'S WHEN WE HIT THE MULCH. 
          AND NO PARENTS COULD SIT ANYWHERE OR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WAS JUST TOO SPLINTERY. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          AND THERE WE WE MORE PICTURES OF US NOT BEING ABLE TO REALLY ENJOY THE FRONT YARD BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THOSE ISSUES. 
          SO WE STARTED THINKING, WHAT DO WE DO? WE TOOK A DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, I FOUND YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE, OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN KING WILLIAM THAT HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, TURF LIKE VESUVIO, LIKE 1102, LIKE THE CHILDREN'S SHELTER AND BONHAM ACADEMY. 
          AND SO, UM, THEN THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, INSTALLING TURF CAME ABOUT, EVEN THOUGH I HAD BEEN WANTING TO INSTALL IT FOR YEARS, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS THE BEST THING FOR CHILDREN. 
          IT'S JUST EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO INSTALL. 
          UM, FINALLY WE DECIDED, LET'S 
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DO IT. 
          AND THIS IS WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SOLE REASON FOR THE TURF IS TO PROVIDE A, A SAFE AREA FOR OUR CHILDREN. 
          AND IF THEY FALL, THE IMPACT IS NOT AS BAD. 
          AND ALSO, UM, IT REDUCES CHILDREN FROM GETTING HURT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SHARP OBJECTS OR ROCKS, UH, OTHER HAZARDS TO CHILDREN OR THE BACTERIA THAT LIVE IN THE SOIL. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO, UM, WHEN WE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE ALL THAT WATER THAT IT NEEDS TO SURVIVE, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T SURVIVE ANYWAY WITH ALL THE CHILDREN WALKING ON IT. 
          AND, UM, AND IT'S NOT PERMANENT. 
          ALSO, WE CAN TAKE IT OFF IF WE DECIDE TO RELOCATE SOMEDAY, WHICH WE HOPE NOT TO. 
          HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE CHILDREN ENJOYING THE TURF. 
          UM, THEY GO OUTSIDE MORE. 
          THEY DO OUTSIDE LEARNING. 
          THE TEACHERS LIKE TO TAKE THEIR CLASSES OUTSIDE AND TEACH OUTSIDE. 
          WE'VE SEEN A HUGE IMPROVEMENT IN THE CHILDREN'S JUST, UH, HAPPINESS. 
          THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR MENTAL HEALTH HAS IMPROVED. 
          AND, UM, ALSO WE'VE SEEN, WE HAVEN'T SEEN VERY MANY ACCIDENTS SINCE THE TURF HAS BEEN INSTALLED. 
          UM, THE NEXT SLIDES HAVE MORE PICTURES OF THE CHILDREN ENJOYING THE TURF, AND, UM, THERE'S MORE PICTURES IN THE NEXT ONE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE EVENTS WHERE THE PARENTS CAN COME AND ENJOY IT AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE THEY CAN SIT ON IT PICNIC STYLE AND IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT LINE, JUST MORE PICTURES OF THEM ENJOYING IT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR MY PRESENTATION. 
          UM, WE ALSO, I ALSO WANNA APOLOGIZE ABOUT NOT GOING THROUGH PROTOCOL. 
          I DID NOT THINK THAT WE NEEDED A PERMIT WHEN I WENT AROUND LOOKING AT ALL THESE OTHER PROPERTIES AND FOUND TURF. 
          UM, WE ALS I ALSO ASKED OUR TURF INSTALLATION GUY IF WE NEEDED A PERMIT, AND HE SAID NO, HE HAD ALREADY TALKED TO THE CITY. 
          IT WAS MISCOMMUNICATION, SO I APOLOGIZE, APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT. 
          IN THE 10 YEARS, WE'VE NEVER NOT ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO DO ANYTHING. 
          WE ALWAYS HAVE. 
          SO THIS WAS NOT INTENTIONAL. 
          SO THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE SOME LETTERS OF SUPPORT ALSO, BUT I'M SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE THEM AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GOING TO PRESENT MY FATHER NOW. 
          HE HAS MORE THINGS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS ROBERTO MADANO. 
          I LIVE AT 3 0 3 WILKINS AVENUE. 
          I'M A LITTLE TALL, SO I ALWAYS HAVE A PROBLEM EVERY TIME I COME PRESENT. 
          UM, AS MY DAUGHTER SAID, UH, THERE, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF, UM, UH, CONCERNS FROM THE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION HERE IN KING WILLIAM. 
          ONE WAS THAT WE DID NOT APPLY PROPERLY FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR INSTALLATION. 
          AND THE SECOND ONE WAS THAT, UH, THE, UH, MATERIALS THAT WERE INSTALLED WERE NOT PERMEABLE, UH, BUT WE'RE HERE, OF COURSE NOW WITH THE PROPER APPLICATION AND ALSO HERE TO TELL YOU THAT, UM, OR RELATE TO YOU THAT THE, ALL THE MATERIALS THAT WE INSTALLED, UH, THE SUBSURFACE AND ALSO THE, UH, THE ARTIFICIAL GRASS IS PERMEABLE. 
          UH, IT IS A HIGH QUALITY, UH, ARTIFICIAL GRASS THAT HAS A LOT OF HOLES IN IT, UH, WHICH ALLOWS THE WATER TO SEEP THROUGH. 
          AND THEN FINALLY INTO THE CRUSH GRANITE AND ONTO, YOU KNOW, FURTHER INTO THE GROUND. 
          UH, WE WERE CURIOUS, AS MY DAUGHTER JUST STATED AS TO WHO WAS, UM, INSTALLING, UH, MATERIALS SUCH AS ARTIFICIAL GRASS, UH, OTHER MATERIALS, UH, AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND WE WERE RELIEVED TO KNOW THAT, UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY SEVEN ENTITIES THAT WE DISCOVERED. 
          UH, TWO, UH, WERE PUBLIC ENTITIES, UH, BONHAM ACADEMY AND, UH, THE CHILDREN'S, UH, SHELTER, BOTH OF THEM ON, UH, SOUTH ST. 
          MARY STREET. 
          WE FOUND FIVE BUSINESSES ALONG SOUTH ALAMO STREET THAT ALSO, UH, EITHER HAD CONCRETE, UH, PAVERS OR ARTIFICIAL GRASS. 
          SO I'LL ONLY CONCENTRATE ON THOSE BUSINESSES, UH, PUBLIC ENTITIES THAT DIRECTLY IMPACT OUR APPLICATION. 
          THAT WOULD BE, UH, BONHAM ACADEMY AND THE CHILDREN'S SHELTER. 
          UH, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO INSTALL ARTIFICIAL GRASS BECAUSE IT WAS TO THE REAR OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          I SHOULD RESTATE THAT. 
          THE, THERE WAS NO H D R C REVIEW BECAUSE OF THE, THE, UH, REQUEST FOR THE INSTALLATION WAS TO THE REAR OF THESE PROPERTIES. 
          SO, UH, THERE IS A, UH, RECOMMENDATION BY 
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STAFF, UH, THAT WE RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTEST, AND THAT WOULD BE THAT, UH, WE ALLOW, WE, WE'D BE ALLOWED TO INSTALL ARTIFICIAL GRASS TO THE REAR OF OUR PROPERTIES SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. 
          UH, THERE IS A PRESIDENT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN SET FOR THAT PARTICULAR ACTIVITY. 
          THE, UM, THE OTHER BUSINESS THAT DIRECTLY, UH, IMPACTS OUR APPLICATION WOULD BE UPSCALE, UPSCALE, UM, IS LOCATED, LET ME SEE, I LOST MY ADDRESS. 
          UM, WELL, I'LL FIND IT HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          UH, BUT, UH, THEY WERE APPROVED IN THE SEPTEMBER OF 2019, UH, TO INSTALL PAVERS, UH, IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE FRONT LAWN OF, OF, UH, OF THEIR BUSINESS. 
          AND, AND I THINK APPROPRIATELY SO BECAUSE, UH, THERE ARE NOT A RESIDENTIAL, UH, HOME OR HOUSE, THERE ARE A BUSINESS THAT SERVES FOOD AND BEVERAGES, AND SO IT'S ONLY LOGICAL THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO COVER THE AREA, UH, TO ALLOW MORE BUSINESS, UH, TO OCCUR AT THEIR, AT THEIR LOCATION. 
          UM, I THINK, UM, THE, UH, THE MATERIALS THAT WERE USED, OF COURSE ARE IMPERMEABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE PAVERS, UH, AND, UH, ALMOST, UH, I WOULD SAY NEARLY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY OR OF THE FRONT YARD WAS ALLOWED TO BE COVERED WITH THIS MATERIAL. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THE 50%, UH, REQUIREMENT TO INSTALL, UH, OR LIMIT TO INSTALL HEART, UH, MATERIALS, UH, WAS WAIVED. 
          AND, UH, IS THAT IT? IF YOU WOULD, UH, CONCLUDE YOUR, OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, FINISH IT UP. 
          UH, SO MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY IS BASICALLY HERE TO REQUEST, UH, AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A PROCESS, UH, THAT THAT IS, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SET BY PRESIDENT, AND IN TERMS OF, UH, IN THE PAST, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, UPSCALE BENEFITED FROM AND ALSO, UM, THAT WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR, FOR THAT TO, TO BE, UH, ACCORDED TO MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY. 
          UM, UH, THE, UH, THE SIDE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY ALSO HAS, UH, ARTIFICIAL GRASS THAT COVERS, UH, CONCRETE. 
          SO, UH, BY COMPLYING WITH THE, UH, O HP'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO TEAR THAT OUT WOULD ONLY EXPOSE CONCRETE. 
          UH, IF THAT WAS TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY USE REALLY VERY LITTLE USE, UH, FOR THAT SPACE OF CONCRETE. 
          SO, UM, WE, WE REQUEST, UH, WE, UH, RESPECTFULLY, UH, ASK THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE TO, TO CONTINUE TO USE THE, THE ARTIFICIAL GRASS COVERING THE CONCRETE AREA SO THAT THE CHILDREN CAN EN CONTINUE TO ENJOY, UH, THESE AREAS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          ONE MOMENT. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY, UH, CITIZENS WHO WE HEARD THAT ARE, UH, PRESENT? YES, WE HAVE A COUPLE. 
          UM, THE FIRST IS MELISSA VESQUEZ. 
          HELLO. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'LL MAKE THIS SHORT AND SWEET. 
          SO, MY NAME IS MELISSA VASQUEZ. 
          I'M REPRESENTING, UH, MR. SEED ACADEMY AT, UH, 1115 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY STREET. 
          UH, MY CHILD, EMILIANO, UH, CURRENTLY ATTENDS THIS WONDERFUL ACADEMY. 
          UM, I'M ORIGINALLY, OR WE'RE ORIGINALLY FROM THE VALLEY, SO JUST TO GO TO FIND A A A, A PRESCHOOL THAT HAS SPANISH IMMERSION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR FAMILY. 
          UM, I'M HERE TO PLEDGE SUPPORT OF US KEEPING OUR ARTIFICIAL TURF INSTALLED. 
          UM, AS STATED IN THE PRESENTATION BY, UH, MS. MADANO IN INSTALLATION OF THE TURF, UH, HELPS TO MINIMIZE DISEASE CARRYING PESTS. 
          THAT'S A HUGE, UH, CONCERN FOR ME AND MY FAMILY. 
          AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THE OTHER PARENTS HERE AT MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE RAIN WE'VE BEEN HAVING, THERE'S MOSQUITOES GALORE EVERYWHERE. 
          UM, SO, AND, AND ESPECIALLY WITH A LOT OF THE GRASS THAT'S BEEN GROWING AND ALL THE, THE PUDDLES AND STUFF, UM, IT'S VERY DANGEROUS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, UH, DISEASES COMING AND AFFECTING OUR CHILDREN, SO THAT'S A HUGE REASON WHY WE WANT, UM, TO, TO KEEP THE TURF, UH, TO REMAIN THERE. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY, WHEN IT'S NOT RAINING A LOT, WE ARE IN AN AREA THAT IS ALSO PRONE TO DROUGHTS. 
          SO AS WE KNOW WITH DROUGHTS, YOU KNOW, THE GR THE GRASS TURDS, UGLY TURNS BROWN. 
          IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S DISGUSTING, RIGHT? NOT ONLY DOES IT LOOK BAD, BUT IT ALSO CAN BE PAINFUL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'VE GOT KIDDOS RUNNING AROUND, THEY CAN GET DUST IN THEIR EYES JUST A WHOLE, IT'S A WHOLE THING. 
          SO A TURF IS VERY MUCH, UH, DROUGHT RESISTANT IN THAT. 
          UM, SO IT'LL, UH, LOOK NEAT. 
          IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL AS YOU SEE FROM 
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THESE PICTURES. 
          IT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL, UM, SCHOOL. 
          UM, AND IT'S LOOKED EVEN BETTER. 
          WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE OCTOBER, AND WE'VE SEEN HOW THE TURF HAS REALLY ENHANCED, UM, THE USAGE OF ALL OF THE, THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, IT HELPS TO SHOWCASE THE HISTORICAL BEAUTY OF KING WILLIAMS, UH, DISTRICT AREA AS WELL AS IN, I FEEL MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT PROVIDES A SAFE PLAY AND LEARNING AREA FOR OUR CHILDREN, AS YOU SAW IN THOSE PICTURES, UM, MY SON, UM, VERY ACTIVE THREE-YEAR-OLD. 
          SO THE FACT THAT HE CAN GO AND  DO OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MOSQUITOES AND PESTS AND ALL THAT IRRITATING HIM, HE HAS AN ALLERGY TO BUGS. 
          SO, UH, HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE IMPLORE YOU TO PLEASE, UH, KEEP THE ARTIFICIAL TURF, UM, INSTALLED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MEGAN. 
          PEACE. 
          HI, MY NAME IS MEGAN PEACE, AND I AM ALSO SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY'S PETITION. 
          I'M A MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY PARENT, AND I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF KING WILLIAM. 
          UM, I, MY, UH, MY FAMILY IS BILINGUAL. 
          SPANISH IS NOT MY NATIVE LANGUAGE. 
          I LEARNED IT AS AN ADULT AND WAS DETERMINED THAT MY DAUGHTER WOULD,  WOULD LEARN IT FROM BIRTH, WHICH SHE HAS DONE SO, AND I JOKE THAT I AM A SINGLE ISSUE VOTER WHEN IT COMES TO MY DAUGHTER'S EDUCATION, THAT AS LONG AS THERE'S SPANISH, THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT, WHICH IS NOT ENTIRELY TRUE. 
          SPANISH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR ME IN MY SELECTING HER EDUCATION, BUT ALSO, SHE'S A KID. 
          I WANT HER TO BE ACTIVE, I WANT HER TO BE OUTSIDE. 
          I, I WANT HER TO BE DOING THINGS. 
          I, I WANT HER TO BE USING SPANISH IN HER LIFE, NOT SITTING IN A CLASSROOM. 
          AND, UM, CONJUGATING VERBS. 
          SO HER BEING OUTSIDE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          WE'VE ONLY BEEN AT MUSTARD SEEDS SINCE FEBRUARY, BUT WE'VE BEEN VERY DELIGHTED WITH THE SCHOOL AND ARE CONTINUING ON WITH THEM FOR THE NEXT YEAR. 
          WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, THERE WAS INDEED THE SOD, AND IT WAS NOT ATTRACTIVE. 
          IT REALLY DID LOOK PRETTY BAD. 
          IT WAS MUDDY, IT WAS TRAMPLED. 
          THE AMOUNT OF WORK IT WOULD'VE REQUIRED TO KEEP IT LOOKING NICE, I THINK IS IS, IS JUST TOO MUCH TO ASK. 
          AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE TO KEEP IT LOOKING NICE SEEMS TO ME TO BE HONESTLY IRRESPONSIBLE. 
          ONCE THEY PUT DOWN THE TURF, WE THOUGHT IT LOOKED FANTASTIC, AND WE ALSO ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED THAT THERE ARE OTHER, UM, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS AND KING WILLIAM WITH TURF, AND WE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED MY HUSBAND AND I, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING BEFORE I CAME HERE, 1102 AND ILLA PIZZA, BOTH OF WHICH WHEN THE TURF WENT IN THERE, WE WERE THRILLED. 
          WE THOUGHT IT LOOKED SO MUCH BETTER. 
          WE WERE HAPPIER TO GO THERE. 
          OUR SHOES WEREN'T GROSS. 
          AND THAT IS MY TIME, SO I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THEIR PETITION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE ONLY IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NOT TO SHORTCHANGE ANYONE'S, UH, TIME, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND OTHER APPLICANTS, UH, I'M GOING TO REFRAIN FROM LISTENING TO THE 31 VOICEMAILS, UH, WHICH ARE MY UNDERSTANDING ALL IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION CHAIR, COMMISS VELAZQUEZ, MR. CHAIR, I, MY, MY PREFERENCE IS TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSION AFTER IT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          PLEASES THE BOARD. 
          YEAH. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP HAS A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IF WE CAN GO TO SLIDE FOUR. 
          SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST, WE'RE REQUESTING AN APPROVAL OF THE TURF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED, AND THEN IS THERE SEPARATE REQUEST FOR THE ONE IN THE BACK IN THE REAR, OR WOULD THAT COME AFTER, OR IS THAT IN THIS REQUEST AS WELL? HE'S REFERRING TO THE, I THINK THE BACK HALF OF THE SIDE TURF. 
          SO STAFF, BECAUSE IT'S BEHIND THE REAR FACADE OF THE PROPERTY, WE REFER TO THAT AS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO THERE'S A STRIP ALONG, UM, HERE. 
          IT'S ON THE TOP OF THE PARCEL WHERE IT SAYS CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. 
          UH, YES, THERE IS SOME TURF TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, BONHAM ACADEMY HAS TURF TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, SO, SO IT DID, UH, THE CHILDREN'S SHELTER, WHICH WERE APPROVED BY C O A AND WITHOUT ANY, UM, REVIEW FROM THE H D R C. 
          SO WE'RE JUST, UH, REQUESTING FOR, FOR THE SAME PROCESS, UH, IF WE NEED TO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO LET'S JUST CLARIFY IF WE HAVE SLIDE FOUR, IF WE APPROVE IT TODAY, IT'LL BE THE TWO SECTIONS OF TURF BY THE PROPERTY LINE UP ON THE FRONT FACING SOUTH, MARY MARY'S THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY, 
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AND THEN THE OTHER PARTS THAT ARE GREEN ON THIS SLIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S JUST THE AREAS MARKED TURF ON THERE. 
          SO THE, THE AREA'S ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FRONT WALKWAY AND THEN THE AREA COVERING THE DRIVEWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU DON'T WANNA ADD ANYTHING IN THE BACK BY THE PLAYGROUND? THERE IS, UH, TECHNICALLY, YES. 
          THERE, THERE IS TURF RIGHT NOW AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THAT COVERS, UH, CONCRETE. 
          CAN YOU JUST, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAN THE PLACES MARKED TURF THAT YOU WOULD LIKE APPROVED TODAY? NO, NO ADDITIONAL AREAS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          SO BY THE EXISTING SHED AND THE WIRE FENCE AND THE FRONT LEFT, IT STILL IS GRASS? UH, THAT IS CORRECT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, ADDITIONALLY, I JUST WANTED TO DROP OFF THE FULL PRESENTATION THAT I INTENDED TO CONVEY TO THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          CAN YOU MAKE THAT HAPPEN? UH, THAT WAS ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR. 
          UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO JUST AS, AS AN OPTION, I GUESS, BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY, UM, LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT CAME IN LATE, ACTUALLY, JUST ABOUT EVERY LETTER OF SUPPORT CAME IN LATE, AND OUR PRESENTATIONS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS. 
          UH, I WANTED TO, UM, UH, SUGGEST THAT WE'RE OKAY IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO TABLE THIS SO THAT YOU'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, UH, GO THROUGH THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THROUGH MY PRESENTATION, MY DAUGHTERS AND, AND MICHAEL'S PRESENTATION. 
          UM, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          ALL, ALL THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT I RECEIVED ARE ON FILE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR REVIEW. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          APPRECIATE, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE THOSE AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE, THE MULTIPLE VOICEMAILS IN SUPPORT AS WELL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I WAS HOPING TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN IF WE HAD DISCUSSION, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I STILL HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SABINA, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, WHEN WAS, WHEN WAS THE ARTIFICIAL TURF INSTALLED? UH, IT WAS INSTALLED I WOULD SAY ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. 
          YEAH, ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YES, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TURF SPECIFICALLY. 
          WHAT IS, WHAT IS ITS EXPECTED LIFESPAN? HOW MANY YEARS? ABOUT 15 YEARS. 
          15? YES. 
          THANKS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, ITEM ONE, ITEM TWO, THAT'S STAFF STIPULATED IS ALREADY RECOMMENDED. 
          AND ITEM THREE, UH, UH, MAKING SURE THAT, THAT, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT ITEM ONE AND TWO DON'T HAVE TO PASS FIRST, AND THEN WE HAVE TO DO ANOTHER MOTION ON ITEM THREE. 
          IF ONE AND TWO PASS, THEN THE, THE PROPERTY'S ELIGIBLE FOR ITEM THREE, AND SO IT'S FINE TO INCLUDE THEM ALL IN THE SAME MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ITEM ONE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          AND ITEM TWO AND ITEM THREE AS STIPULATED BY STAFF. 
          WELL, ITEM THREE WITH ITEM ONE. 
          THAT IS, YES. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. 
          I WOULD SECOND WITH THE STIPULATION. 
          I'D LIKE TO ADD AN AMENDMENT TO THAT. 
          I HAVE A SECOND WITH AN AMENDMENT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          CAN WE DO THAT, THAT IT, UH, BE IN, IN PLACE FOR THE DURATION THAT THE MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY USES THE PROPERTY, THAT IF IT EVER MOVES ON TO ANOTHER OWNER, OR IF THEY OUTGROW THE FACILITY, THEN IT GOES BACK TO WHATEVER THE GUIDELINES ARE. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO? YES, I, I'D ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. 
          YOU ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT. 
          DOES THE SECOND ACCEPT IT? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          I THINK THE APPLICANT DID A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION AND I THINK , I GUESS OUR PREVIEW HAS BEEN QUESTIONED ALL DAY  IN ALL WAYS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY WE LOOK AT IT AT CASE BY CASE, AND I WOULD FULLY, UM, I'M REPORTING THE PETITION, THE APPLICATION, AND THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I WOULD, UH, ECHO THAT, UH, NICE PRESENTATION. 
          AND, UH, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE FACILITY WITH THE HEAVY USE BY THE CHILDREN AND, UH, GETTING THEM OUTDOORS IN THE FRESH AIR AND, UH, EXERCISE, I WOULD, UH, SUPPORT THIS MOTION AS WELL. 
          UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? OH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I, I JUST HAD A, JUST ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE MATERIAL GIVEN THE USE AND THE INTENSITY OF THE USE, AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION THAT IT BE REVERSED AND RESTORED IF THE USE OR TO CHANGE OR THE ACADEMY TO LEAVE. 
          I THINK THAT THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT, THAT THIS ISN'T IMP APPROVED INDEFINITELY. 
          UM, AND, UH, 
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I THINK IT, IT'S A UNIQUE CASE WHERE THIS MATERIAL MAKES SENSE GIVEN THE, THE NEEDS OF THE SITE. 
          SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SINO? UH, YES. 
          UM, I'LL PROBABLY BE THE, THE LONE PERSON STANDING IN MY FIELD ALONE ON THIS ONE BECAUSE, UM, I, UH, MY OBSERVATION IS THAT THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND THAT THE, UH, CHARACTER OF THAT FRONT LAWN IS IMPORTANT. 
          I COULD SEE PART OF THAT AREA BEING USED, UH, WITH A IMPERMEABLE OR A ARTIFICIAL TURF MATERIAL AND SEEING OTHER AREAS BEING DEVELOPED DIFFERENTLY THAT COULD ALSO ENHANCE LEARNING EXPERIENCE, WHETHER THEY'RE DECKS, CLIMBING THINGS OR SENSORY GARDENS OR OTHER TYPES OF LEARNING EXPERIENCES. 
          UM, SO I THINK THE, UM, AND ALSO YOU HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH A SUMMER WITH THIS YET, SO I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT HOW, UM, THAT HEAT GAIN WORKS, UM, AND HOW THAT, UH, WILL PLAY OUT. 
          BUT, UM, FOR THE STIPULATION FOR THE STIPULATION THAT WAS MADE, THAT IT IS A TEMPORARY ONE BASED ON THE OCCUPANT, ON THE SPECIFIC OCCUPANT, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT IT. 
          UM, AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS WHETHER IT'S A SCHOOL OR WHATEVER IN A HOUSE, I STILL SEE THE STRUCTURES BEING A RESIDENTIAL ONE. 
          THE SCHOOL HAS IT, THE REST, UM, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS HAVE IT BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. 
          THIS IS ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LOOKING RESIDENTIAL, SO, UM, IT'S, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH ONE FOR ME TO SUPPORT, BUT I THINK WITH THE, THE STIPULATION OF TEMPORARY USE, I, I, I MIGHT FIND THAT POSSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE RESPECT YOUR, YOUR POINT. 
          UH, BUT WE DID INCLUDE IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR THIS ONLY FOR THE DURATION OF A MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY'S EXISTENCE. 
          AND UH, OF COURSE, BECAUSE WE ARE A DAYCARE CENTER AND IT IS NOW ZONED COMMERCIAL, THAT'S WHY THE USE IS DIFFERENT. 
          THE NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT FOR US. 
          SURE. 
          THE, THE GUIDELINES, UM, UH, HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE APPEARANCE IN THE BUILDING AND NOT SO MUCH THE ACTUAL USE, SO MM-HMM. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE DISTINCTION IS MADE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, JUST TO KIND OF ECHO, UM, YEAH, I'M NOT ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TURF AND, BUT I THINK I, I AM VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT WHAT YOUR MISSION IS THERE AND THE SERVICE YOU PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THAT SPECIAL USE AND FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DURATION OF YOUR, YOUR, UM, OCCUPANCY THERE, THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT IS RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S BEEN ADAPTED TO A DIFFERENT USE. 
          I WILL SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          MOOKA? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROUP? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU MR. GERMAN COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 19. 
          ITEM 19 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C CASE 2023 DASH 1 8 0 19 31 NORTH I H 35. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LAWN WITH GRAVEL AND ROCK MULCH. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THEIR REQUEST TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LAWN WITH GRAVEL AND ROCK MULCH BASED ON FINDING. 
          C. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT INCLUDES AT LEAST 50% GREENERY, WHICH WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          UM, I AM THE APPLICANT DIDN'T CONFIRM WHETHER HE WOULD ATTEND TODAY. 
          JOHN WILLIAMS? UH, I DUNNO IF HE'S ON WEBEX. 
          I DON'T HAVE HIM ONLINE. 
          MR. WILLIAMS HERE? YES. 
          MR. WILLIAMS COME TO THE THAT'S NOT HIM. 
          ? NO, THAT'S NOT HIM. 
          OH, THAT'S NOT OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK HE SHOWED UP. 
          OKAY, THEN, UH, WE'LL MOVE THIS TO THE END OF THE AGENDA AND, UH, SEE IF HE SHOWS UP, UH, IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY. 
          UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20, ITEM 20 ON THE H D R C AGENDA, UH, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 18 7 1 9 EAST CARSON, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ADD A TURRET AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE HOUSE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE WINDOWS PROPOSED FOR THE ADDITION MATCH. 
          THE SECOND STORY WINDOWS DIRECTLY BELOW THE ADDITION IN WIDTH THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS FEATURE MEETING RAILS THAT ARE NO TALLER THAN 1.25 INCHES IN STYLES NO WIDER THAN 2.25 INCHES, AND THAT THE TURRET ROOF BE 
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CLAD IN THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE PRIMARY ROOF FORM. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UH, ONE VOICEMAIL AND THEN THE OWNER'S EUGENE AND EL ALSO WALKER SHOULD BE ON WEBEX. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          I DO SEE ELSA HERE ONE MOMENT. 
          UM, AND ALSO, UH, I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED IN WRITING, UM, AFTER POSTING THEIR INTENT TO CONFORM TO STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          ELSA, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          CAN YOU GUYS SEE US? UH, EUGENE AND I ARE BOTH HERE. 
          YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          YES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE AGREED TO ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          WE HAVE AGREED TO ALL STIPULATIONS AND APPRECIATE, UM, THEM WORKING WITH US ON THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          I, I MOVE THAT APPRO MOVE FOR APPROVAL. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          YES, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL. 
          CAN WE HEAR THE VOICEMAIL? OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I COULD, WHAT WAS THAT? I, HELLO, MY NAME IS MARLENE HAWKINS. 
          I LIVE IN THE GOVERNMENT HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM 20, THE BUILDING OF A TOUR ON, ON A HISTORIC HOUSE WHERE THERE NEVER WAS A TOUR BEFORE. 
          EUGENE AND ELSA BUILT THE TOUR WITHOUT PERMISSION, WITHOUT A C O A APPROVAL, AND O H P SAID THEY CLIMBED INTO THE ATTIC AND LOOKED AND SAW A COUPLE OF, OF TORS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN FROM A TOUR, A TOUR, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES CLOSELY, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          NEIGHBORS, WE STOOD AND TALKED. 
          I'VE LIVED THERE 24 YEARS, OTHERS HAVE LIVED THERE OVER 30. 
          THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A TOUR. 
          AND THE, THE ROOF ON THAT HOUSE IS THE UNIQUE AND HISTORIC VIEW THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE, THE, UM, TOUR THAT THEY HAVE BUILT BLOCKS, THE VIEW OF THAT THERE ARE TWO EYELID DERS THERE ON THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDE THAT WERE MEANT TO BE SEEN AS PEOPLE DROVE DOWN, THE CARSON ARE TURNED ON THAT STREET AND THEY ARE BEING BLOCKED BY THIS TOUR. 
          UH, THERE NEVER WAS A TOUR. 
          ELSA WALKER TOLD ME SHE WANTED A TOUR BECAUSE SHE GOT THE IDEA FROM DR. 
          RIVERA'S HOUSE, WHICH HAS A LEGITIMATE TOUR ON IT FROM WHEN IT WAS BUILT. 
          THE, UH, TOUR HINDERS THE VIEW OF A GREAT HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          IF ELSA AND EUGENE WILL FINISH OUT THIS BUILDING WITH A HISTORIC PER PERSPECTIVE, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL HOUSES, HISTORIC HOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR THE TOUR. 
          PLEASE VOTE. 
          NO, THAT'S THE ONLY VOICEMAIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? MR. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS THE ANSWERS APPLICANT OR STAFF. 
          UM, WAS THE TURRET PORTION PERMITTED BY, UM, BUILDING PERMIT D S D DEPARTMENT? UH, NO. 
          IT WAS NOT REVIEWED FOR C O A. 
          SO IT WASN'T APPROVED FOR A PERMIT, SO IT DIDN'T HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THAT CORRECT PORTION'S? CORRECT. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, AND THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          UM, THI THIS IS AN ODD, UM, AN ODD RECOMMENDATION ON PART OF STAFF MM-HMM. 
          , I, I MEAN I I KIND OF SEE IT THAT WAY CONSISTENT WITH OTHER ALTERATIONS. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS STAFF'S R RATIONALE BEHIND, UH, THIS LEVEL OF ALTERATION? I CAN ANSWER THAT, JESS. 
          UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION INTERNALLY. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION THAT GIVEN THE AGE OF THIS HOUSE, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT A TURRET HASN'T BEEN THERE FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS. 
          LIKE WE DO BELIEVE BASED ON THE WAY IT'S FRAMED THIS, THE SHAPE OF THIS FORM, IT PROBABLY HAD SOMETHING. 
          SO THE QUESTION ISN'T WHETHER OR NOT THEY MUST RECREATE THE TURRET THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE. 
          THE QUESTION IS, CAN THEY DO BASICALLY IN ADDITION AT THE LOCATION OF THIS TURRET? UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE REVIEWED IT. 
          UM, SOMETIMES WE HAVE, UM, DORMER ADDITIONS COME TO THE COM COMMISSION AND THERE'S GUIDELINES THAT PERTAIN TO THOSE. 
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AND SO, UM, JUST GIVEN THE LOCATION AND THE SIZE AND THAT WE DIDN'T THINK IT IMPACTED THE OVERALL FORM, UH, TOO MUCH FOR THIS HOME. 
          UH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE. 
          IT SAID THAT THIS IS NOT A COMMON REQUEST. 
          UM, IT'S VERY RARE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THIS TYPE OF, OF, UH, CONDITION IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          WELL, THE, THE, THE REASON I ASK CORY IS BECAUSE IT, IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT LOSES ITS, ITS TURRET AT LEAST AS PRESENTED ON THE FRONT ELEVATION TO THE LEFT SIDE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          I IMAGINE IT CAN CONTINUE TO SPIN AROUND, BUT EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXAMPLES THAT ARE GIVEN, NONE OF THE EXAMPLES LOSE THE, AND FORGIVE ME MY GEOMETRY, I DON'T OCTAGON OR WHATEVER SHAPE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK INSTEAD OF A, A ROOM IN THAT SPACE, THE, THE ROOF FORM LIKELY JUST WENT STRAIGHT UP INTO A POINT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND SO, BUT THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT UNDER THE GUIDELINES TO RECREATE THAT POINT. 
          THE QUESTION IS, CAN THEY DO AN ADDITION AT THIS LOCATION THAT TIES INTO THE ATTIC SPACE? OKAY. 
          UH, THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER. 
          YES. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, ON THE SIDE ELEVATION, AND YOU MAY HAVE TO GO TO GOOGLE TO ACTUALLY GET THE PHOTO. 
          THERE IS, THERE APPEARS TO BE A PORTION OF A CHIMNEY AND ANOTHER EYEBROW, UH, LITTLE DORMER. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THIS NEW TURRET IN RELATION TO THOSE TWO ELEMENTS? I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A PHOTO OF THAT EXACT CONDITION, BUT I WILL SHARE THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE SEEKING, UH, APPROVAL TO RECONSTRUCT THE CHIMNEY, WHICH WAS, UH, UNINSTALLED, UH, WITH A C OF A, UM, AND TO ALSO RETURN TO OTHER CHIMNEYS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, I THINK THAT BECAUSE OF SOME BRUSH OVERGROWTH ON THE PROPERTY, WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR VIEW OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION CHAIR? I MOVE TO APPROVE ITS STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTARY ON THIS, ON THE PROPOSAL. 
          UM, AURAT IS A VERY COMMON, OR IT'S AN ACCEPTABLE ADDITION ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT WE HAVE ON VICTORIAN HOUSES, ESPECIALLY AT THIS AGE NEAR FORT SAM. 
          UM, THESE HOUSES ARE REALLY UNIQUE, REALLY SPECIAL, ESPECIALLY RELATIVE TO THE GREAT WORK THAT FORT SAM HAS DONE IN RESTORING THEIR CAMPUS AND THEIR BUILDINGS IN THE BASE. 
          UM, I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THIS TURRET, UM, AS AN ADDITION AND EVEN AS A RECONSTRUCTION, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ALSO WHAT THE CATEGORY OF THIS WAS. 
          UM, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, IT HAS A LOT OF, UM, I GUESS MISSED OPPORTUNITIES IN, IN DESIGN, UH, REGARDING THE EAVES, THE SIZE OF THE UPPER EAVES SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, SHOULD BE LARGER, MORE ORNATE THAN THE SUBDIVISION. 
          AND THE OTHER SKIRTED, E EAVE BELOW THAT, UH, OF COURSE THE WINDOWS ARE OFF. 
          AND SO FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY AWKWARD, ESPECIALLY AS IT ENCROACHES ON THE AUTHENTIC HISTORIC FEATURES. 
          AND SO AS AN ADDITION, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT A RECONSTRUCTION, IT'S AN ADDITION AND IT IS ENCROACHING AND DAMAGING THE, THE SOUTH FACING, UH, EYEBROW VENT. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE EAST SIDE, I TOOK THE PICTURE, I TOOK A PICTURE, UH, TODAY OF THAT EAST ELEVATION. 
          IF THIS TURRET REMAINS, YOU CANNOT BUILD THE CHIMNEY ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          IT WILL CONFLICT DIRECTLY. 
          SO THAT TELLS ME THAT HISTORICALLY THERE WAS NOT A TURRET OF THAT SIZE AND THAT HEIGHT IN THAT PARTICULAR PLACE BECAUSE THAT CHIMNEY THAT'S ORIGINAL IN THE EYEBROW VENTS, THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN INTACT THE WHOLE WAY. 
          I SEE. 
          PERHAPS MAYBE THE ROOF WAS FLATTENED, MAYBE IT WAS JUST A CONICAL ROOF TO IT. 
          YES, THERE WAS MORE BUILT ON THAT, BUT THIS IS NOT IT. 
          SO IT'S THE DAMAGE TO THE EXISTING HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT I FIND MOST TROUBLESOME WITH THE TURRET AS IT'S DESIGNED NOW. 
          UM, AND I'LL LET OTHERS MAKE COMMENTS IF THEY WISH. 
          MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO COMMISSIONER. 
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UM, I, I THINK PART OF IT IS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PAGE THAT IS E 11, IT, IT'S, IT, UH, IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW THE, THE, THE RISE IS LARGER THAN IT WOULD BE THE IT, WHICH IS WHAT DEFINES THE OVERHANG ROOF, THAT WHEN IT STEPS BACK, THEN YOU'RE GONNA NEED THE LITTLE ROOF. 
          UH, SO THE LITTLE ROOF IS NOT JUST A DETAIL, IT'S NOT, NOT, IT'S NOT A SKIRT. 
          IT ACTUALLY IS RESPONDING TO ARTICULATING A CHANGE IN DIMENSION. 
          BUT, BUT IT, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHY WHEN IT, WHEN IT RISES TO THE LEVEL, THE JUNCTION BETWEEN IT AND THE ROOF, IT, IT KINDA GIVES IT THE ESSENCE OF A BAY WINDOW AT A HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW? SO IT'S LOSING SOMETHING. 
          I, I THINK PART OF THE PRESENTATION IS WHAT MAKES IT HARD TO SUPPORT IT, IS THAT IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS PROPORTIONALLY CORRECT THAT IT MIGHT, UH, SAY YES, I, I'M A, I'M A HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, BUT, BUT IN THE WAY THAT IT'S PRESENTED, IT'S, IT'S MORE A RATIONALE TO HAVE AN EXTENSION ON THE, ON THE THIRD LEVEL, WHICH I, ON, ON THAT GROUNDS. 
          I CAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEED FOR INCREASING THE SCRIPT FOOTAGE, THAT EXPERIENCE UP THERE IN THE ATTIC. 
          BUT IF IT'S ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL APPROPRIATENESS, IT, IT, IT'S JUST NOT DONE RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S KINDA HARD TO SUPPORT IT THE WAY THAT IT'S PRESENTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMISSIONERS? MAY I HAVE A YES, MR. CHAIRMAN MAY ANOTHER COMMENT. 
          UM, I WILL SAY AS IT REGARDS TO THE, UM, UH, GUIDELINES THAT WE TRY TO AVOID PUTTING ADDITIONS AS SIGNIFICANT AS THIS ON THE FRONT OF A HOUSE. 
          YES, WE'VE DONE DORMERS, THEY PLAY A MINOR ROLE IN THE FACADE OF, UM, A HOUSE IN THE ROOF. 
          UH, THIS IS RATHER SIGNIFICANT AND THAT'S WHY I ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THIS FROM A REAL, UM, DESIGN ASPECT. 
          THIS IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. 
          IT'S ON A CORNER WITH TWO RIGHT OF WAYS. 
          IT CANNOT BE MISSED. 
          IT SAYS SOMETHING, IT SAYS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, SO YOU WANT IT TO BE CORRECT, ESPECIALLY AGAIN, LIKE I SAY, SO CLOSE TO FORT SAM WHERE WE HAVE SUCH WONDERFUL BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RESTORED WITH GREAT CARE ALSO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, WOULD THE APPLICANTS LIKE TO, UH, RESPOND TO ANY OF THESE COMMENTS? UH, YES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UM, THIS IS ALISON. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ON THE EVES, THOUGH NOT SHOWN HERE, 'CAUSE WE, WE STOPPED. 
          UM, YES, THERE, IT, IT IS OUR INTENTION TO DO ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ON THE EVE OF THE FACADE, AND WE DID SEND SOME SAMPLES OF THAT TO THE CITY AND CAN ELABORATE ON THOSE. 
          UM, AND IN THE WINDOWS, THEY ARE ROUGH OPENINGS, BUT THEY WOULD BE THE SAME SIZE AS THE, UH, WINDOWS RIGHT BELOW IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF ENERGY AND EFFORT TO REALLY TRY TO, UH, TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE STAYING COMPLIANT. 
          UH, BUT ONE THING WE DID DISCOVER A LOT OF THIS WAS ALSO A DIRECT RESULT OF TRYING TO IMPROVE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOME. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS FALLING DOWN IN OUR FOUNDATION REPAIR, OF COURSE, WE HAD TO MAKE NOBODY REALLY LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, UH, UNCOVER, UH, THE OCTAGON THAT WAS THERE AND IT WAS CLEAR, UH, THAT SOMEONE HAD LITERALLY CUT THE RAFTERS AND EVERYTHING AS RELATED TO, TO, UH, THE ORIENTATION OF WHAT WAS THERE. 
          UH, SO I DID WALK THIS WITH HIM, KIND OF SHOWED HIM WHAT WE, WE THOUGHT WAS, WAS THERE. 
          AND UM, AGAIN, OUR OBJECTIVE WAS TO TRY TO, UH, TO, TO BRING THIS BACK  AS POSSIBLE. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE DOING TO TRY TO FLIP. 
          THIS IS OUR HOME. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA LIVE. 
          AND ULTIMATELY WE LIKE THE CONSIDERATION OF, YOU KNOW, ME AND MY RETIREMENT AGE BEING ABLE TO, UH, ENJOY THIS HOME AS WELL. 
          IT'S GONNA BE OUR HOME, OUR FINAL HOME. 
          AND, UM, AGAIN, WE WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING TO WORK, UH, WITH THE COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS, GUYS ARE GONNA BE JUST AS PROUD OF IT AS WE ARE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, AND ED HAS SAW WE BROUGHT, WE ARE BRINGING EVERYTHING BACK, INCLUDING THE INTERIORS AS CLOSE TO PERIOD, UTILIZING EVERYTHING WE CAN AS IT RELATES TO, UH, WHAT WAS EXISTING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO, NAY. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          NAY. 
          [02:10:01]
MOOKA, NAYYY, CARPENTER, NAY GROUP STEPPED OUT. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER? NAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION. 
          I A MOTION FOR, UM, A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO, UM, ON ONE LEVEL PROVIDE US WITH, WITH BETTER, UM, IMAGES OF WHAT'S EXISTING WITH, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE THIS ROOF AND, UM, UH, ALTERNATE, UH, SOLUTION. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          CAN I JUST ASK A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION? YOU WANT THEM TO COME BACK TO H D R C WITH THAT OR D R C H D R C OR D R C? UH, D R C I WOULD THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          DOES A SECOND. 
          CONCUR. 
          CONCUR? OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION? YES. 
          I THINK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE MADE SOME PRETTY VALID POINTS AND ACTUALLY EDUCATED ME ON SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE DESIGN FEATURES THAT MAYBE I WASN'T SEEING BEFORE. 
          OF NOTE TO ME IS THE HEIGHT OF THAT TURRET. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY HAVE NOT BEEN ONE THERE, BUT THAT ONE SEEMS TO KIND OF PROTRUDE PRETTY HIGH. 
          BUT AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, IT'S HARD TO TELL BASED ON THE ANGLE. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME, SOME BETTER PHOTOS THAT ACTUALLY SHOW ME WHAT'S PROPOSED AND WHAT, WHERE IT'S GONNA SIT WITH THE ROOF LINE AS A WHOLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          ? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME, UM, ADD AN IDEA FOR THE APPLICANT TO HELP THEM MOVE FORWARD IF THIS VOTE, UM, GOES THROUGH. 
          UM, AND THAT IS, UH, LOOK AT THE VARIETY OF TURRETS AND TURRET ROOFS THROUGHOUT TEXAS AND SOUTH TEXAS. 
          YOU'LL FIND THAT THERE'S A REAL, UH, QUITE A RANGE AND THAT A, HIS HISTORIC, UM, HISTORIC VICTORIAN WILL HAVE A, A WIDE VARIETY OF ELEMENTS. 
          SO IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT IT'S JUST HOW IT'S DONE. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE WHAT WE KNOW ARE TRULY HISTORIC, UH, ELEMENTS OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES INTACT AND STILL THERE, LIKE THE CHIMNEY, I THINK WE'LL WANNA SAVE THOSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND MR. CHAIR, JUST, I JUST WANNA ADD THAT I, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE THAT, THAT THE SOLUTION IS THAT THEY GO UP TO THAT LEVEL, BUT WHATEVER SOLUTION THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA HAVE TO BE SEEN BY US. 
          SO EVEN IF IT'S WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THEM REALLY CONSIDERING TO, TO ALLOW IT TO BE, UH, JUST TO THE LEVEL THAT, THAT IT IS, WITHOUT THAT ADDITION TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE LITTLE EYELET AND, AND INSIDE OF THAT, MAYBE TO CONSIDER OR TO, TO CONSIDER THAT PERHAPS THIS, THAT, THAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS NOT DOING THIS TURRET. 
          IT'S A COMPROMISE, BUT IT'S COMPROMISE WITH YOURSELF WITH RESPECT TO THE INTEGRITY OF, OF THIS STRUCTURE THAT I DON'T THINK IS GONNA BE ANY LESS BEAUTIFUL OR ANY LESS USABLE WITHOUT THAT THIRD FLOOR TURRET. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS NAYYY FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINO AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MAZUA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP, I'M GONNA ABSTAIN AS I STEPPED OUT FOR THE MOTION. 
          SIRTA? YES. 
          AND FED, SIR. 
          AYE, MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          SO AS, UM, SINCE WE REFERRED THIS TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, FOR Y'ALL TO DO FURTHER RESEARCH AND, AND PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, IF YOU FIND THAT IT WOULD BE MORE, UH, INFORMATIVE TO ACTUALLY REQUEST A SITE VISIT BY THE COM, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, PLEASE GET WITH STAFF. 
          UM, OTHERWISE WE CAN, UH, HANDLE THIS OVER ZOOM, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND MR. CHAIR, JUST ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER THING INSIDE OF THAT, THAT THERE AREN'T ANY ELEVATIONS, THERE'S PLAN, BUT THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME EFFORT TO PROVIDE A DRAWING ELEVATION. 
          SO THE APPLICANT SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE NEEDED MAYBE TWO ELEVATIONS THAT PARTICULARLY FOCUS ON THE TURRET. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 21. 
          HELLO? AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21. 
          OH OH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ME, RIGHT? YEAH, I'LL READ. 
          IT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M NEW WITH THIS, SORRY. 
          OKAY, THAT'S 
          [02:15:01]
OKAY. 
          UM, H C R C CASE 2023 DASH 28 0 1 4. 
          UM, ADDRESS, 1 46 EAST HOLLYWOOD AVENUE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLED ROOFING SYSTEM AND INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST BASED ON FINDING B STAFF RECOMMENDS APPLICANT REPLACE THE ROOF WITH INKIND MATERIALS AND THE APPLICANT, CASEY LEHMAN IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          AND WHAT'S THE NAME? THAT IS BRANDON GREEN. 
          AND BRANDON GREEN AS WELL. 
          WANT ME? THANK YOU. 
          IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. 
          UH, UM, I'M BRANDON GREEN, UH, SALES MANAGER OVER AT WALTON ROOFING. 
          AND, AND I'M CASEY LEHMAN, SALES CONSULTANT AT WALTON ROOFING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO, UM, I GUESS WE WERE JUST A LITTLE SURPRISED AT, UM, THAT, THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE, I DON'T WANNA SAY PUSHBACK, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR GUIDELINES. 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS PUTTING A 24 GAUGE STANDING SEA METAL ON THIS ROOF, UM, I DID SEE QUITE A FEW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I KNOW DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM, SAME STYLE OF HOUSE DOES HAVE STANDING SEAM ROOF ON IT. 
          UH, WE HAVE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MORE EXAMPLES WITHIN 0.1 MILES OF THAT LOCATION. 
          UM, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO DO. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, IN SOUTH TEXAS WE'RE LOOKING AT YOUR ASPHALT SHINGLES PROBABLY GONNA LAST NO LONGER THAN 15 YEARS BEFORE IT'S COMPROMISED. 
          AND BY THE TIME YOU REALLY START SEEING LEAKS INSIDE THE DWELLING, IT'S TOO LATE. 
          UM, SO NOT, SHE JUST DOESN'T WANT TO, I KNOW THAT SHE WANTS TO STAY WITHIN KEEPING THE HISTORIC LOOK, BUT SHE ALSO WANTS TO PROTECT HER HOME AS WELL, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO CUT ANY MORE TREES DOWN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S BESIDES THE TREES AND THE HIP ROOF STYLE THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF VENTILATION. 
          SHE WOULD BE LOOKING AT GETTING POWERED ATTIC VENTS OR SOLAR ATTIC VENT TO KIND OF MAINTAIN THAT ROOF'S EXTENDEDS LIFE. 
          UM, SO SHE'S JUST KIND OF DONE WITH MESSING WITH IT, WANTS TO UPGRADE THE LOOK AND THEN ALSO PROTECT HER HOME AND KIND OF UPGRADE THAT FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE ON HER HOME TO WHERE SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY ONE QUESTION THERE ON PHOTO NUMBER 10, THERE APPEARS TO BE A, UH, ACCESSORY D DWELLING UNIT IN THE BACK IN THE REAR. 
          IS THIS PROPOSED, UH, ROOF MATERIAL CHANGE FOR THAT BUILDING AS WELL? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WAS THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION OR WAS IT JUST THE MAIN HOUSE? UM, THE APPLICATION'S. 
          JUST THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER FISH? UM, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE METAL, THE METAL ROOF. 
          ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH, UH, METAL ROOF INSTALLATION GUIDELINES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS? YES SIR. 
          I AM. 
          UH, INCLUDING THE RIDGES. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO HAND CRIMP ALL THE WAY UP AT THE TOP KIND OF FOLDED OVER, THERE'S NO GONNA BE, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY RIDGE OR HIP CAPS? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
           COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS KIND OF THE BIG STUMBLING POINT FOR ME IS, UM, IS IT GONNA BE LIKE A GAL LOOM OR WHAT YOU, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A COLOR TO THIS OR? YES. 
          SHE, SHE WOULD LIKE COLOR TO IT? YES, SIR. 
          SHE WOULD. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S JUST KIND OF FLAT PANELS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, CORRECT. 
          NO STRIATIONS OR PENCIL RIBS ALLOWED ON THE PANELS? THAT'S CORRECT, YES, SIR. 
          SO SHE WOULD LIKE, UH, COLORS JUST CHOSEN TEAL GREEN, IT'S GONNA BE A GREEN THAT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR TO AN AGED COPPER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I MEAN, I, I WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE IF IT WERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF APPROXIMATING THE COLOR OF THE, THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, TRUST ME, I THOUGHT OF THAT WHENEVER I WAS COMING UP HERE. 
          YEAH. 
           ON THE COLOR. 
          UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT SHE WOULD NECESSARILY DIE ON THAT HILL, UH, ABOUT THE COLOR. 
          THAT'S WHAT SHE PREFERS. 
          I DID TELL HER THAT I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS COMING HERE, HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT WOULD, THAT WE WOULD PUT ON OUR ROOF, UH, WOULD MAKE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE COULD COMPROMISE WITH THAT. 
          BUT THE, THE COLOR I KNEW WOULD BE KIND OF A CHALLENGE. 
          UM, BUT HOPEFULLY I CAN GO BACK TO HER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, METAL ROOF, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE ACROSS THE BOARD WITH EVERYBODY BUT THAT COLOR, MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF REGULAR GAL LOOM OR IF YOU, IF THERE WAS A GUIDELINE FOR WHAT COLORS WERE ACCEPTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO HER, HER CHOICE IN COLOR ACTUALLY WAS BASED ON HER FOLIAGE AROUND THE HOUSE. 
          SHE CHOSE A COLOR THAT SHE THOUGHT WOULD BE MONOCHROMATIC WITH THE TREES AROUND HER HOUSE THAT WOULD BLEND REALLY WELL. 
          HER TREES ARE VERY MATURE AND LARGE AND RUB AGAINST THAT HOUSE, AND THEY 
          [02:20:01]
DON'T LIKE CUTTING THEM BACK WITH AN ASPHALT SHINGLE. 
          UH, THE RATE OF DEGRADATION IS EXPONENTIALLY CATALYZED AND A METAL ROOF, YOU CAN EXPECT 75 TO A HUNDRED YEARS IN LIFESPAN, EVEN WITH TREE RUB. 
          AND SHE WANTS IT TO KIND OF ALL BLEND TOGETHER. 
          SO HER COLOR CHOICE IS BASED ON THE FOLIAGE SHE HAS ALREADY. 
          THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, I'LL DO A MOTION. 
          MOTION. 
          NO GROOVE. 
          I'M READY TO DO A MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          I ACTUALLY, UM, THINK STAFF HAS THE RIGHT ON THIS ONE. 
          I'M GONNA MOVE TO DENY WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE ALL, WE HAVE A FEW TIMES, I MEAN, MAYBE HAD, UM, WHERE WE REALLY DON'T WANNA, WE APPROVE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IN KIND, BUT I THINK MOST OF THE TIMES WE ALWAYS APPROVE A REPLACEMENT IN KIND, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T SEE A CASE THAT, AND I'M NOT MORE VALIDATE, LIKE I DON'T, I CAN'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE TO MOVE AWAY FROM WHAT WE USUALLY DO, A CONSISTENCY, WHICH IS IN KIND REPLACEMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, MR. CHAIR. 
          THE, THE, UM, THING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME ABOUT, ABOUT THE DECISION HERE IS THAT THE, THE ROOF, LET'S SAY THAT THIS IS A ROOF THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, 20, 25 YEARS OLD, UH, AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE ASPHALT ROOF, NOT THE TILE ROOF. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO BEGIN TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS THAT THE MATERIALS ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE QUALITY OF THE MATERIALS OF THE PAST. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE FLATNESS THAT, THAT THIS MATERIAL PROVIDES, AND THAT IS REALLY A DEFINING, UH, CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSE. 
          AND THE RED, THE RED ASPHALT SHINGLE. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S NOT THE, IT, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHETHER IT'S THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE OR IS IT A, IS IT A SECONDARY STRUCTURE? 'CAUSE THE, THE TILE ROOF IS SHOWN IN THE PICTURE AS WELL. 
          I THINK THAT'S A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. 
          PROPERTY, YES. 
          THE APPLICATION IS FOR THE, UH, MAIN RESIDENCE AND NOT THE, UH, ACCESSORY UNIT IN THE REAR. 
          AND BOTH OF THEM CURRENTLY HAVE THE RED ASPHALT SHINGLES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO IN, IN, IN THE FLATNESS OF THIS, THIS IS A LOWER YEAR ROOF, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IN ORDER TO GET A A A A, A STRONGER ROOF, YOU'D HAVE TO GO TO A DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE, IN WHICH CASE IT CHANGES ALSO CHANGES THAT REAL FLATNESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, IT SEEMS THAT IT WOULD BE EQUALLY APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO BE A STANDING SEAM UNPAINTED, JUST A NATURAL, LET'S JUST SAY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A TIN THAT, THAT FOLLOWS THE, THE RULES OF YOUR MOST CLASSIC STANDING SEAM ROOF. 
          THAT IT WOULD BE EQUALLY AS APPROPRIATE AND IT WOULD GIVE, UH, THAT PERMANENCE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          THAT DOESN'T, UM, TAKE AWAY NECESSARILY FROM THE, FROM THE TIMING OF THE, FROM, FROM THE AGE OF THE BUILDING. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME DEALS WITH THE FACT THAT MOVING FORWARD THE, YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS TYPE OF, UH, ASPHALT SHINGLE IS, IS GONNA BE PROBABLY A LESSER PRODUCT. 
          AND IT SEEMS THE STANDING ROOF IS SMARTER GREENWISE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF, UM, IF THEY WERE TO GO WITH A 30 YEAR DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE ROOF, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN-KIND REPLACEMENT, CORRECT? YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF THAT. 
          AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT THAT FLAT SHINGLE IS VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS PERIOD, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING HELD TO AN INFERIOR PRODUCT. 
          NOW WE WE'LL SEE A COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIR, THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THOUGH, IF IT'S ABOUT PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THE CHARACTERISTIC, THEN A 40 YEAR, 30 YEAR DOESN'T DO IT EITHER. 
          SO AT THAT POINT, A REPLACEMENT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS OF THE AGE, BUT OF COURSE NOT A PAINTED, UH, SURFACE. 
          BUT YOUR TRADITIONAL GAL, UH, YOUR TRADITIONAL TIN STYLED STANDING SEAM ROOF. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO JUST COUNTER BACK ON ON SOMETHING. 
          JUST, UH, YEAH, I'VE, I HAVE, UH, CONSISTENTLY SUPPORTED THE INSTALLATION OF TRUE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS ON HISTORIC STRUCTURES BECAUSE THEY WERE ON THEM, IT WAS A REGIONAL VARIATION THAT OCCURRED, OR THEY WERE, THE, THE ROOFS WERE REPLACED SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, BUT VERY LONG AGO WITH A METAL ROOF. 
          SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. 
          I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, ASPHALT ROOF IS AN ASPHALT ROOF. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          YES, IF I CAN. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER FISHER, WHAT IS THE SLOPE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE? GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE A FOUR ON 12. 
          FOUR 12. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, I MEAN, JUST 
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A, A FOLLOW UP COMMENT. 
          I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION GIVEN IT COM, GIVEN IT THAT IT WOULD COMPLY WITH ALL OF OUR STANDARD STIPULATIONS RELATED TO A METAL ROOF. 
          SO, UH, INCLUDING THE GAL BLOOM FINISH AND NOT A PRE PRE-FINISHED COLOR. 
          UH, SO I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE CURRENT MOTION. 
          UH, AND, UH, WE'LL SEE IF IT COMES BACK AROUND. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CAN WE HAVE RESTATING OF THE CURRENT MOTION JUST TO REFRESH THE MOTION IS TO DENY CHANGE TO A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH NAYYY SINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ NAYYY. 
          MOOKA. 
          NAYYY CARPENTER NAY GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? NO. 
          AND FETZER? YES. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I WOULD MOVE FOR, UM, APPROVAL OF A TRUE CRIMP STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF, UH, THAT FOLLOWS THE GUIDELINES, UH, THE, THE TYPICAL GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED BY O H P STAFF AND THAT IS A, A NATURAL METAL COLOR. 
          I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          I HAVE A SECOND QUESTION, CERVANTES. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WOULD'VE COME WITH THIS ROOF WHEN IT WAS, WHEN THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT? CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. 
          WHAT WOULD'VE COME WITH THIS HOUSE WHEN THE ROOF, WHEN THE BACK ROOF WOULD'VE COME WITH THE HOUSE WHEN IT WAS BUILT? GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO WE DID PULL THE SAND BARNS ON THIS AND IT WAS AN ASPHALT SHINGLED ROOF, SO A COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL, THANK YOU. 
          NON-COMBUSTIBLE. 
          AND A LOT OF THEM PROBABLY HAD ASBESTOS TILES OR SHINGLES. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON, WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE ANYMORE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? I I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, JUST A QUESTION ON THE GAL ALUMINUM VERSUS THE, YOU KNOW, 10 IS THAT, THAT THAT, THAT THAT TRADITIONAL MATERIAL DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE? EVERYTHING'S GLOOM NOW? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          JUST A QUESTION. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS NAY FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINO NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          NAYYY ANTES. 
          YES. 
          AND FETZER NAYYY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          AGENDA ITEM 22, THANK H D R C CASE 2023 DASH 1 97, UH, 4 1 4 EAST MULBERRY AVENUE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO TERRACE THE FRONT YARD, UTILIZING LARGE ROCKS AS RETAINING WALLS. 
          ITS LANDSCAPING TO INCLUDE GRASS ON ONE PORTION OF THE YARD. 
          AND ORGANIC MULCH ON THE OTHER SAP DOES NOT RECOMMEND THIS APPLICATION TO BE COMPLETE AND REMAINS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE TERRACING WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED BASED ON THE LIMITED DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED. 
          IF THE H C R C DETERMINES THERE'S SUFFICIENT DOCUMENTATION FOR THE REVIEW AND ACTION ON THE REQUEST, THEN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE OVERALL PLAN WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS BE INCORPORATED INTO THE MULCHED PORTION OF THE LAWN AND THE APPLICANT, CURTIS WHITE IS HERE TODAY IN PERSON. 
          HI, I'M CURTIS WHITE. 
          I'M THE OWNER OF 4 1 4 EAST MULBERRY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, OKAY. 
          WHAT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE MULCHED AREA ON THE RIGHT IS RIGHT NOW ABOUT THREE QUARTERS COVERED AT THE DRIP LINE BY, UH, INAUGURAL TREE. 
          SO WE HAVE BEEN UNABLE IN 14 YEARS TO KEEP GRASS THERE. 
          ALMOST NOTHING GROWS THERE, BUT, UM, WE CAN USE SHADE, SHADE TOLERANT, UM, FOLIAGE IN THAT AREA, THE LEFT SIDE OR THE DOWNHILL SIDE. 
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UM, THAT IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO WHAT IT IS ORIGINALLY. 
          UM, AGAIN, THAT GRASS HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN, BUT, UH, IT IS A SIMILAR COVERAGE. 
          SO ALL IN ALL, WE END UP WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF TURF THAT WE END. 
          WE HAD ORIGINALLY. 
          IT JUST WILL LOOK BETTER, UM, FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW. 
          THIS LOT PITCHES IN ALL DIRECTIONS, UM, TO THE LEFT ON MULBERRY THAT'S DOWNHILL, UM, FAIRLY STEEP AND IT PITCHES TOWARD THE HOUSE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS SO IT PITCHES TOWARD THE TOP. 
          UM, AND SO WE HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF, UM, SOIL EROSION, EVEN WITH TURF AND, UM, SOME GUARD SPACE FOR THE, UH, CEMENT SIDEWALKS. 
          SO, UM, THE DESIGN IS, IS FROM A, A LICENSED, UH, LANDSCAPER WHO, WHO WORKS IN THE AREA HAS DONE NUMEROUS JOBS. 
          SO WE THINK IT'S FAIRLY CLOSE TO APPROPRIATE, BUT AS TO ADDING MORE, UM, MORE FOLIAGE IN THE, UH, THE, UH, MULCH AREA, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          THIS IS HIS FIRST CONCEPTUAL DRAWING. 
          SO BASICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL THE SOIL EROSION. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE FIRST MOVED THERE, I MOVED HALF THE DIRT FROM THE, FROM THE BACKYARD TO THE FRONT YARD TO TO TABLE THAT IN ORDER TO TRY TO SLOW IT DOWN. 
          BUT IT'S BACK TO THAT POSITION, SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, QUESTION, UM, ON THIS PLAN HERE, UP AT THE CONCRETE SIDEWALK TOWARDS THE ROAD, THAT WOULD BE THE HIGH PART OF THE YARD AND IT SLOPES DOWN TOWARDS THE HOUSE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THE MAJORITY OF THE STONE WORK WOULD BE TOWARDS THE HOUSE AND, UH, NOT ON THE STREET SIDE. 
          NOT TOWARDS THE STREET, STREET SIDE. 
          NOT VISIBLE FROM NOT HIGHER. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO MORE VISIBLE FROM THE HOUSE THAN IT WOULD BE FROM THE STREET. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT ACTUALLY IS SLOPED THERE NOW, UM, OKAY. 
          WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE TERRACE SCENE. 
          SO, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HAVING HAVING THE PROBLEM. 
          THINK PHOTO SEVEN SHOWS THAT SLOPING TOWARDS THE HOUSE. 
          CORRECT? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WHEN DID YOU MOVE IN? EXCUSE ME? HERE. 
          OVER HERE. 
          OH, OVER HERE? YEAH. 
          WHEN DID YOU MOVE IN? UH, WE OWNED IT FOR ABOUT 14 YEARS. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN AND OUT OF IT, UM, DUE TO, UH, CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO JUST BECAUSE GOOGLE EARTH KIND OF GIVES ME THE PICTURES OF GOOGLE MAPS OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, OF ALL THE WAY 14. 
          AND I COULD SEE THAT THERE WERE SOME SOLUTIONS WITH THE FRONT OF THE LAWN HAVING LIKE HALF GRASS AND THERE'S A LOT OF PLANTINGS. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THAT YOU'VE HAD THIS ISSUE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST RECENT, LIKE HOW THE YARD LOOKS RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL, WHAT, OKAY, SO IN ONE OF THE PHOTOS YOU SEE THAT THERE'S A, THAT CENTER SIDEWALK IS MISSING. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE I HAD TO REPLACE 50 FEET OF SEWER PIPE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE HAD TO REPLACE THE SEWER THAT WENT DIAGONALLY ACROSS, TOOK OUT TWO PIECES OF SIDEWALK AND ULTIMATELY IT GOES UNDER THE DRIVEWAY. 
          BUT I DID NOT DIG MY DRIVEWAY OUT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I'LL KEEP THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR, UH, DOING THIS, THIS POINT. 
          I'LL KEEP THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR DISCUSSION. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE MR. CHAIR, UH, YES, SIR. 
          AM AM I CORRECT IN, IN THAT THIS, THIS PROJECT, AS FAR AS THE HOUSE IS CONCERNED? IT, IT CAME BEFORE US NOT THAT LONG AGO. 
          RIGHT? THIS WAS ONE OF OURS, I BELIEVE, FOR A DIFFERENT SCOPE FOR THE PORCH. 
          I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOMETHING ON THE PORCH. 
          PORCH, YES. 
          WELL, IT WAS PREVIOUS WORK. 
          THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          WELL JUST WANNA SAY THAT, THAT IN, IN SEEING THE DRAWINGS AND THE PRESENTATION OF THE PORCH AND NOW SEEING IT DONE IS, IS REALLY NICELY DONE. 
          KINDA HARD IN MY MIND. 
          I REMEMBER IT KINDA HARD FOR ME TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? BUT IT, IT IS REALLY NICELY DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE USED YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND OR THE, THE BOARD'S WELL, RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH, NO, IT, IT CAME OUT, IT ACTUALLY ENHANCES IT. 
          WELL, I ALWAYS LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A CUTOUT IN THE HOUSE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CARPORT THAT'S BEEN THERE, IT SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED OUT REALLY BEAUTIFULLY. 
          NOW, NOW ON THE PICTURES THAT ARE AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION, THE LANDSCAPING, THE HARDSCAPING, THAT'S, THOSE ARE OTHER, THOSE WERE JUST EXAMPLES. 
          EXAMPLES OF, OF THE STACKED ROCK. 
          AND, AND IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW. 
          IT WAS JUST EXAMPLES OF, OF A SOFT TERRORIST COUNTRY. 
          AND, AND YOU, BUT YOU SEE THAT, THAT, THAT IS SIMILAR 
          [02:35:01]
TO WHAT COULD BE EXPECTED IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR OUTCOME THAT YOU, YOU ENVISION, UH, DEALING WITH YOUR ENVIRONMENT. 
          MUCH LIKE THE PICTURE, LET'S SAY PAGE 11 PIECE PIECES OF IT. 
          YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE LIKE THIS STYLE, BUT I WOULD THINK IT'D BE INCLINED A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SUPPOSED, THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE, UM, SMALL ROCK INSTEAD OF THE, UM, CRUSHED RABBIT JUST TO KEEP THINGS FROM ROLLING INTO THE, UH, SIDEWALK AS MUCH AS THEY WERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          AND I'M SYMPATHETIC 'CAUSE I'M IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE HAVE A SIMILAR SORT OF SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF LOTS THAT HAVE, THEY'RE TABLED OR THEY HAVE A, SOME SIGNIFICANT SLOPE. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THE LAST COUPLE YEARS OF DROUGHT, WHICH FORTUNATELY THIS YEAR, WE'VE BEEN AVOIDING, KNOCK ON WOOD FOR RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU GET A LOT OF RUNOFF AND EROSION OF EARTH AND, YOU KNOW, SILT ONTO THE SIDEWALKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO, UM, A QUESTION THOUGH, FOR THAT STRIP THAT'S BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB, IS THAT GONNA BE TURF OR ARE YOU WANTING TO DO ROCKS AS WELL? NO, THE BETWEEN THE STREET AND, AND THE CITY SIDEWALK. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT'S THE MATERIAL PLAN THERE? WELL, IT'LL STAY THE SAME, WHICH IS, UM, PURPLE HEART. 
          IT'S WHAT? PURPLE HEART. 
          PURPLE HEART. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT WE HAVEN'T MANAGED TO KILL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEAH, NO, THAT'S WORKED OUT WELL. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I GUESS I'LL DO ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          HOW ARE YOU DOING? UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH THE STIPULATION FROM STAFF THAT SAYS TO ADD ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS ON THE MULCH AREA? YES. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY THREE, TWO HERE OR SOMETHING, SO YEAH, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. 
          TWO PLANTINGS, BUT I MEAN, WE HAD, YEAH, WE PLAN MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, UH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE AN ATTEMPT AT A MOTION HERE. 
          UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION THAT ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS BE INCORPORATED INTO THE MULCH PORTION OF THE LAWN. 
          SECOND MOTION IS SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION, UH, WOULD YOU, UM, CLARIFY THAT, THAT, UH, A MORE DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN COME BACK TO STAFF FOR REVIEW? UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIDLEY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. 
          I'LL ACCEPT IT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY DISCUSSION MR. I WOULD JUST, I, YEAH, I PROBABLY WON'T SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          UM, I DO, I DO BELIEVE IN THAT OUR GUIDELINES, I, UNLESS, I MEAN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THERE'S A LOT ACTUALLY. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S MORE, THE, THE CASE HAS NOT BEEN STATED AS BIG. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN WITH THE 50%, ESPECIALLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, US COMMONLY APPROVE ZERO ESCAPING AND, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, WE HAVE TO BE, I, I'LL STAY CONSISTENT WITH THAT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          WILL YOU BE PUTTING A WEEDED BARRIER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT BELOW THE MULCH LAYER? I NEED TO CHECK ON THAT. 
          'CAUSE I, I WAS LOOKING AT THE DRAWING AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S CLAY UNDERNEATH, SO NOT MUCH GROWS UNDERNEATH IT, BUT, UM, YEAH, WE, WE CAN, YEAH, I MEAN, THAT CAN ADDRESS THE CONCERN ABOUT HAVING NOT ENOUGH GREEN, UM, BY OMITTING IT, YOU ARE BEING RECEPTIVE OR YOU'RE ALLOWING THE, THE DIRT TO BE RECEPTIVE TO THINGS COMING UP AND PLANTING AT A LATER DATE. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE, THE MULCH AND THE DEBRIS THAT AN ANAQUA LEAVES IS REALLY QUITE FERTILE. 
          IT'S JUST, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S THE SUNLIGHT AND ONCE YOU CAN FIND THAT PARTICULAR PLANT, IT WILL GROW, OR PLANTS WILL GROW QUITE WELL IN THE MULCH. 
          SO YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST NOT USING A WEED, A WEED BARRIER. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE CAN, THANK YOU. 
          MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          CALLED AT THIS POINT. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP A ANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 23. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 0 2 12 0 9 
          [02:40:03]
SOUTH ST. 
          MARY STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL APPROXIMATELY 492 SQUARE FEET OF PAINTED SIGNAGE. 
          STAFF. 
          DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO INSTALL 492 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C. 
          UM, A SIGNAGE PLAN THAT MEETS HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES REGARDING NUMBER OF SIGNS IN TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          THE APPLICANT, MASUKO RAMOS, IS HERE IN PERSON, AND THERE IS ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON FOR THE RECORD. 
          UH, MY NAME IS MITSUKO RAMOS WITH GOVERNMENT RELATIONS GROUP OF TEXAS, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 1209 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY STREET AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THE COMPANY IS 1209 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY REALTY LIMITED. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UH, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS RIGHT OFF OF ST. 
          MARY STREET, ACROSS FROM THE AMART AND LITTLE KIND OF DIAGONAL FROM THE MISSION RESTAURANT SUPPLY STORE, WHICH THAT BUILDING ACTUALLY IS VERY COMPARABLE TO, UH, THIS, UH, TWO STORY STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING TODAY. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY THAT AT 1209 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S WAS A CHILDREN'S SHELTER AND IT'S BEING RENOVATED CURRENTLY INTO A, UM, SHARED OFFICE SPACE FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND, UM, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WHO WANNA GO IN AND JUST, YOU KNOW, LEASE A, A VERY SMALL SPACE, UM, THAT, UM, IS, DOESN'T HAVE A LONG-TERM LEASE. 
          NEXT SPACE, PLEASE. 
          I MEAN, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE, UH, A SMART SIGNAGE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UM, I DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE SIGNAGE AND, AND THIS IS JUST SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, UH, HOW COMPARABLE IT IS. 
          UH, THE A SMART SIGNAGE, UM, WITH THE AP NUMBER IS, UH, UH, THE RED LETTERING IS, UM, A HUNDRED AND SQUARE, A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, IT'S FOUR FEET, SEVEN INCHES BY 19 FEET, FOUR INCHES. 
          AND THEN THE RED, UH, THE BLUE LETTERING BELOW IT IS APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET BY 25 FEET. 
          UM, AND THAT IT'S AROUND 45 SQUARE FEET, LET'S SAY. 
          UM, THE PICTURE OF THE, UH, BUILDING THAT MY CLIENT OWNS ON THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF THE SLIDE, UH, THE RENDERING MAKES IT LOOK VERY GRANDIOSE. 
          BUT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, OTHER EXHIBITS THAT WERE PROVIDED, THAT SIGNAGE THAT SAYS URBAN OFFICE IS ACTUALLY VERY COMPARABLE TO THE SIZE OF THE BLUE LETTERING WHERE IT SAYS RESTAURANT SUPPLY. 
          UM, I KNOW IT LOOKS REALLY HUGE IN THIS RENDERING. 
          UM, SOMETIMES RENDERINGS CAN BE MISLEADING, BUT FOR THAT PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE, UM, URBAN OFFICE IS BEING PROPOSED, UH, THE SIZE IS, UM, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          IT'S A LITTLE OVER TWO FEET. 
          IT'S 2.5 FEET BY, UH, I BELIEVE 26 FEET. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY COMPARABLE TO THAT SMALLER LETTERING. 
          UM, ALSO DOWN THE STREET WHERE THE, THE MISSION RESTAURANT, UH, SUPPLY BUILDING IS LOCATED. 
          UM, THEY ALSO HAVE A, UH, LARGE SIGNAGE AS WELL THAT'S, UM, A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE A SMART SIGNAGE. 
          UM, AND THAT ONE'S THROUGH AP NUMBER 2 1 8 1 2 5 2. 
          AND THAT ONE'S, UH, LARGER THAN 150 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO JUST FOR THAT ONE SIGN THAT'S FACING SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          THAT IS VERY COMPARABLE TO THE BLUE LETTERING WHERE IT SAYS RESTAURANT SUPPLY ON, ON AMART, AND THAT IS LOCATED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, WE HAVE THIS, UH, FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY IS ON THE TOP PHOTO THERE, AND WE HAVE A LARGE LETTERING, WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, MOSTLY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE GOING BY SINCE THE FRONTAGE IS ACTUALLY NOT, UM, FACING SOUTH ST. 
          MARY STREET, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO SEE THE ADDRESS. 
          UM, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME ADDRESSES ALS ALREADY PAINTED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT, UM, THEY WANTED TO STYLE IT SO THAT IT WOULD LOOK, UM, REALLY NEAT, BUT ALSO IT, IT'S, IT'S 
          [02:45:01]
MORE SO JUST TO HAVE AWARENESS OF THE ADDRESS OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 35 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THE URBAN OFFICE ABOVE THE DOORS IS APPROXIMATELY 24 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE, UH, PROPOSED SIGNAGE THAT IS AT THE BOTTOM PHOTO THERE, UM, THAT'S FACING THE, UH, NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT THAT'S ON A SEPARATE PARCEL. 
          AND, UM, THAT ONE IS QUITE LARGE. 
          THAT ONE'S 288 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND IF THE HISTORIC DESIGN COMMISSION, UM, WISHES FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, ALTER THAT OR, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T LIKE THAT, THEN THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, UM, HE, HE WOULD BE WILLING TO CHANGE THAT. 
          THERE'S NO, NO REASON FOR THAT, UM, SIGNAGE. 
          WE JUST, THEY JUST THOUGHT IT WAS COOL. 
          , I'LL BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU ON THAT. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS, UM, IF YOU'RE, UH, GOING IN THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR, THIS IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. 
          AND SO THIS IS, UH, GOING TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, THIS PART OF IT WAS REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE MORE OF A MURAL, UH, ARTWORK. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY SIGNAGE, SO IT'S, UM, SUBJECT TO CHANGE. 
          UM, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU NEED TO STILL APPROVE IT, BUT, UH, THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD PUT SOUTHTOWN ON THERE. 
          UM, BUT WE WERE GONNA GET A LOCAL ARTIST TO MAYBE PAINT SOMETHING AND WE THOUGHT SOUTHTOWN WOULD BE COOL. 
          THEY COULD ALWAYS CHANGE THE FONT OR MAKE IT INTO FLOWERS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, SO IF YOU NEED US TO COME BACK ON THAT, WE CAN, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARY. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SIGNAGE, UM, THE PROPOSED PAINTING OF URBAN OFFICE FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, I BELIEVE IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO THE REVITALIZATION ACTIVITIES IN COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE. 
          AND, UM, IS, IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE FOLLOWING WAYS. 
          UM, THE VISIBLE SIGNAGE AND ARTWORK, IT DOES CREATE AWARENESS AND INCENTIVIZES REDEVELOPMENT IN THE KING WILLIAM DISTRICT AND SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          I THINK THAT WHEN YOU SEE A BUILDING SITTING THERE AND IT, YOU KNOW, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S NO SIGNAGE AND PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, DRIVE BY ARE WONDERING LIKE, WHAT IS THAT? YOU KNOW? SO, UM, I THINK THAT THIS WILL, UH, CREATE AWARENESS AND IN INCENTIVIZE REDEVELOPMENT OR RENOVATIONS OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS MAYBE NEARBY. 
          UM, THIS LOCATION OF THIS BUILDING IS REALLY NOT IN THE CENTER OF, UH, A BUNCH OF HISTORIC HOMES, BUT I THINK THAT IT GIVES US A GREAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE DO DRIVE ON, UH, SOUTH ST. 
          MARY STREET, MAYBE TO USE THIS AS AN, AS, UM, SORT OF A, A BLANK SLATE, IF YOU WILL, TO, UM, RAISE AWARENESS OF, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UM, BEING RENOVATED AND WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE OTHER BUSINESSES TO, UM, INVEST IN, IN, UH, BUILDINGS THAT NEED TO BE RENOVATED AS WELL. 
          UM, THE SURROUNDING REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE INCENTIVIZED BY THIS, UM, UH, THEY, THEY WOULD BE, UM, INCREASING INCREMENT TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY. 
          THE RENOVATION PROJECT CREATES NEW JOBS AND AFFORDABLE SHARED OFFICE SPACE FOR SMALL BUSINESS ENTERPRISES, THUS ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO DO SO AS WELL. 
          THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SHARED OFFICE SPACE, IT'S A DIFFERENT CONCEPT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, GO, YOU GO IN AND YOU AND YOU, UM, RENT A LITTLE SPACE AND FOR A YEAR IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S MORE OF LIKE, UM, YOU GO IN AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THERE'S A SHARED COMMON SPACE IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU CAN INTERACT WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND, AND YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY FLEXIBLE. 
          SO IT'S AFFORDABLE FOR SMALL BUSINESS, UH, OWNERS OR INDIVIDUALS. 
          UM, ALSO THIS RENOVATION PROJECT ENSURES THAT EMPLOYEES HAVE SAFE AND CONVENIENT ACCESS TO JOBS, ENCOURAGES OTHER BUSINESSES TO DO SO. 
          AND FINALLY, UM, IT ALSO CREATED NEW BICYCLE FACILITIES AND WILL HOPEFULLY ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO FOLLOW SUIT. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO I'M JUST ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND, UM, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TO CONSIDER THIS. 
          I, I AM AWARE THAT THIS DOES EXCEED THE, UH, GUIDELINES, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          I DO BELIEVE IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THE, UH, GUIDELINES OF THE 50 SQUARE FEET, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT, IT WAS MOSTLY INTENDED FOR A LOT SMALLER STRUCTURES, BUSINESS STRUCTURES, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT VERY MANY HUGE STRUCTURES LIKE THIS ONE IN KING WILLIAM AREA. 
          SO, UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I, I DO WANT TO, UM, RESPECT THE, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          SO, UM, I LOOK TO YOU FOR, FOR GUIDANCE ON THAT. 
          AND MY CLIENT, UM, IS OPEN TO, UM, MAKING REVISIONS IF NECESSARY AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YEAH. 
          CAN I ASK YOU WHAT THE GENESIS OF THIS NAME CAME FROM? URBAN OFFICE? YEAH. 
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NAMING IT AFTER A STREET. 
          YOU'RE NAMING IT AFTER A PERSON, AFTER A NEIGHBORHOOD, AFTER A CONCEPT OR ANYTHING? NO, UM, , YOU KNOW, I ASKED MY CLIENT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS RENDERING, I ASKED HIM, I SAID, WHAT IS GONNA BE THE NAME OF YOUR, OF THIS? BECAUSE I THOUGHT URBAN OFFICE WAS JUST, YOU KNOW HOW IN THE RENDERINGS I'LL JUST SAY BAKE SHOP OR SOMETHING? AND HE SAID, NO, THAT'S THE NAME. 
          AND I SAID, WHAT? LIKE, WHAT, WHAT, WHERE DID IT COME FROM? AND HE SAID, WELL, I, WE JUST THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT NAME FOR IT. 
          AND I SAID, OKAY, SO THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER GROOVE. 
          UM, SO I'M, I'M REALLY LITTLE BIT CONFUSED. 
          SO NORMALLY IT'S NOT ABOUT LIKE FULL, LIKE WE, WE NORMALLY GET A SIGNAGE PACKAGE. 
          THIS IS NOT REALLY A SIGNAGE PACKAGE, IS THIS FINAL RIGHT? NOT CONCEPTUAL. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS NOT CONCEPTUAL. 
          IT'S, THEY WANNA PAINT THIS ON. 
          IT'S NOT, YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M GONNA ASK TWO QUESTIONS FOR STUFF. 
          LIKE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SIGNAGE? ARE WE TALKING OR DOES THIS FALL ON THE MURALS? AND SO, I MEAN, BECAUSE I SEE THIS IS A SIGNAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          NORMALLY WE APPROVE ONE MAIN SIGN AND A SUBORDINATE. 
          AND I AGREE, MAY THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          WE COULD APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S 50 SQUARE FEET OR LOT BIGGER THAN 50 SQUARE FEET. 
          BUT I DON'T, I, I'M VERY LIKE, BECAUSE YOU SAY, WELL, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THIS ONE. 
          MAYBE NOT THIS ONE. 
          MAYBE THEY'LL PAINT THIS ONE. 
          MAYBE THEY DON'T. 
          SO LIKE, IF YOU WERE REALLY DOWN TO LIKE, WHICH ONE IS A SIGNAGE? AND THEN ARE THEY GONNA HAVE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE? AND I DO THINK STAFF HAS IT, RIGHT? THERE'S NOT A SIGNAGE PACKAGE OVERALL. 
          LIKE WHERE'S THE EXIT SIGN? THERE'S GONNA BE MORE SIGNAGE ANYWAY. 
          YEAH, I AGREE. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE A FULL SIGNAGE PACKAGE, RIGHT? NO, I ACTUALLY CONSIDERED THE PAINTED PART. 
          I, I CONSIDERED IT TO BE ARTWORK. 
          'CAUSE WE WERE GONNA GET LOCAL ARTISTS TO PAINT IT ALL AND THEY COULD ACT. 
          THE APPLICATION TODAY IS FOR A FULL, LIKE EVERYTHING IS CONSIDERED SIGNAGE. 
          YES. 
          UM, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHEN WE SUBMITTED OTHER, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, THEY CONSIDERED THIS TO BE SIGNAGE. 
          SO THEY SAID WE HAD TO APPLY AS SIGNAGE, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO DO STAFF CONCURS WITH THAT, BUT IT'S JUST PAINTED ON. 
          SO EVEN THE NUMBERS ARE PAINTED ON TOO. 
          YES. 
          SO FOR STAFF, THE, THE BLUE, ORANGE AND YELLOW, Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING THAT SIGNAGE? NO. 
          UH, OR JUST THE LETTERS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED LETTERING. 
          I'M SORRY, JUST THE LETTERING ON THIS. 
          UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF DOESN'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER ADDRESS NUMBERS. 
          SO THE 1209 WOULD NOT BE A PART OF, UM, THE SIGNAGE REQUEST. 
          BUT, UM, STAFF DID CONSIDER SOUTH TOWN, UM, RIGHT HERE ON THIS WEST ELEVATION TO BE CONSIDERED SIGNAGE IF, UH, THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEIR DECISION OTHERWISE. 
          AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I GUESS CHAIR I'D LIKE TO MAKE, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION, A FEW MORE QUESTIONS, JUST NO FOLLOW UP. 
          IF YOU SAID SOME OF THEM THEY WERE OKAY NOT DOING SO IF WE LOOK AT THIS ONE YES, MA'AM. 
          OR I THINK IT'S THE NEXT SLIDE THAT, SO YOU SAID THE SOUTH TOWN WAS OPTIONAL, LIKE IF YOU PUT A PRIORITY, WHICH ONES IS THE PRIORITY FOR THE OWNERS? THE SOUTH TOWN, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE SOUTH TOWN. 
          UM, WE CONSIDER ARTWORK. 
          WE, WE, WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT SIGNAGE AT ALL. 
          THAT'S JUST, JUST SAY THAT IT ALL FALLS IN THE SILENCE SIGNAGE BECAUSE IT'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. 
          AND SO YEAH, THAT WE WOULD, IF YOU WERE TO CHOOSE WHICH, WHICH ONES OF THE FOUR SIGNS YOU WOULD PUT PRIORITY ON AND THEY WOULD KEEP PAINTED OR NOT PAINTED. 
          UM, THE URBAN OFFICE FACING, UH, ST. 
          MARY'S STREET, SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S STREET. 
          AND WHAT IS NEXT TO THE SLIDE? UH, THE, I, I DON'T, I THINK THAT THEY SAID THEY DID, THEY DON'T NEED THE URBAN OFFICE OVER THE FRONT, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING FACING THE PARKING LOT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT THE BUILDING IS. 
          BUT I, I, I DO AGREE THAT IN MY OPINION, IT IT'S A LOT LARGER THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED. 
          UM, SO IF WE KEPT THAT, UM, AND IF THE H D R C WANTED IT TO BE SMALLER, WE, WE'D MAKE IT SMALLER. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE SIGN ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT THERE? THE LOGO, THE SEMI, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL. 
          THAT'S, UH, NOT NO LONGER THAT, THAT WASN'T PART OF THE, UM, THE APPLICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I PUT THAT IN MY POWERPOINT. 
          I'M, I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          SO I HAVE A QUE THIS IS CLARIFYING FOR STAFF. 
          UM, I NEED CLARIFICATION. 
          SO THE PAINTING OF THE URBAN OFFICE IS CONSIDERED SIGNAGE BECAUSE IT'S IN HISTORIC. 
          UM, BUT THE SOUTH TOWN THAT'S THERE, IS THIS CONSIDERED A MURAL. 
          SO, BUT AREN'T THEY ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE? NO, THE LETTERS FOR SOUTHTOWN ARE 
          [02:55:01]
PART OF THE REQUEST. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS A PART OF THE SIGNAGE REQUEST. 
          UM, HOWEVER, UH, IF H G R C WANTED TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION THAT IT WOULD BE A MURAL, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE UP TO ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ONE QUESTION. 
          THE, I GUESS IT'S FACING THE PARKING LOT WHERE IT'S IN BETWEEN THE WINDOWS AND ABOVE THE DOORS. 
          IT SAYS SOUTHTOWN OFFICE, URBAN OFFICE THAT WOULD JUST REALLY READ URBAN OFFICE. 
          THEY WANTED TO PUT SOUTHTOWN URBAN OFFICE, BUT IT COULD JUST SAY URBAN OFFICE. 
          WELL THEN IT CEASES TO BE ARTWORK AND BECOMES THE NAME. 
          NO. 
          YOU MEAN WITHOUT THE SOUTH TOWN? WITH THE SOUTH TOWN. 
          WITH THE SOUTH TOWN. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE NAME OF THE BUILDING. 
          UH, THE, THE NAME OF THE BUILDING IS URBAN OFFICE. 
          I THINK THEY JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL BECAUSE IT, 'CAUSE IT'S SUCH A LARGE BUILDING. 
          I THINK THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO FILL UP SPACE TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK FILLING UP SPACE KIND OF IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS DETRACTING FROM THIS. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE I AGREE THAT IT'S, IT'S LARGE. 
          YEAH. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IF WE LOOK ON A, OH, A 0.01 WHERE WE CAN SEE THE ENTRY DOORS AND THE DIFFERENT C M U I BELIEVE IT IS SLIDE SEVEN MAYBE. 
          YES. 
          THIS ONE WILL. 
          THIS ONE WILL DO. 
          SO HERE WE HAVE THE LARGE NUMBERS IN URBAN OFFICE AND THIS SIGNAGE IS ALSO TO BE PAINTED. 
          I'M SORRY, WHICH ONE? THE ONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE WHERE WE SEE THE 1, 2, 9 AND URBAN OFFICE ABOVE THE DOORS RIGHT THERE. 
          I THINK THAT THEY HAD DECIDED THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED THAT OVER THE DOORS. 
          BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NUMBERS? THEY, THEY WERE PLANNING ON PAINTING. 
          SO THE, THE MATERIAL THAT THE LOCATION OF THE MATERIAL DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR PAINT. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE ATED KIND OF STONE C M U FACE THAT WOULDN'T REALLY SUPPORT SIGNAGE AND PAINT. 
          NOW IF IT'S APPLIED SIGNAGE, LIKE A REVERSE ILLUMINATED METAL LETTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. 
          BUT THE LEVEL OF THE LEVEL OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPOSAL GIVES ME SOME PAUSE TO TRY TO TAKE A STAB AT THIS. 
          TODAY. 
          I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED. 
          I THINK THE URBAN OFFICE OVER THE TOP, THEY DECIDED NOT TO DO, I THINK ORIGINALLY THEY WERE GONNA DO LIKE AN AWNING WITH THE METAL AND THIS AND THAT. 
          AND THEN AT THE END THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE COULD JUST PAINT IT. 
          AND THEN IN THE END THEY JUST SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S, IT'S SO SMALL ANYWAY THAT NO ONE REALLY IS GONNA SEE IT. 
          SO THERE'S JUST NO REASON TO EVEN DO IT. 
          THERE ARE EXISTING AWNINGS HERE. 
          I I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION ABOUT THE TENANTS AND POTENTIAL TENANT SIGNAGE IN A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN, WHICH WE WOULD TYPICALLY EXPECT WITH THESE PLACE, IS THERE ANY EXPECTATION THAT A TENANT OR A FUTURE TENANT WOULD HAVE SIGNAGE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AT ALL? THE, THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE URBAN OFFICE IS, IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T GO IN AND YOU, UM, IT'S LIKE GOING TO THE LIBRARY. 
          YOU GO, YOU KNOW, YOU GO AND YOU KIND OF GO TO A SPACE WHERE YOU WANNA, YOU KNOW, SIT DOWN AND MAYBE STUDY OR SOMETHING. 
          UM, SO IT'S NOT WHERE YOU HAVE TO LIKE HAVE A LEASE FOR A WHOLE YEAR OR WHATEVER. 
          SO, SO IF SOMEBODY DID DECIDE THEY WANTED TO RESERVE A SPACE FOR SIX MONTHS, UM, AND THEY WANTED THEIR MAIL SENT THERE, IT'S STILL JUST ONE ADDRESS. 
          ONE, THE PERSON WHO, UH, WORKS THERE GETS THE MAIL FOR EVERYBODY AND THEY JUST GO AND HAND IT OUT. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, UH, SIGNAGE FOR THE TENANTS. 
          SO I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER IS REALLY, REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. 
          IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING WITH ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OVER MM-HMM. 
           OVER THE GUIDELINES FOR A BUILDING LIKE THAT. 
          OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YES. 
          YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY TIMES WE HAVE PEOPLE COME BACK TO US AND ASK FOR ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE FOR ANOTHER TENANT, ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE FOR THE TENANT, AND THEN THERE'S JUST A PROPAGATION OF SIGNAGE. 
          ANY APPROVAL OVER GUIDELINES WILL BE VERY RESTRICTED FOR, FROM OUR STANDPOINT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU WON'T GET APPROVAL FOR ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE. 
          NO, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. 
          I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO MY CLIENT ABOUT THE, THE TENANT'S EXPECTATIONS. 
          'CAUSE THEY MIGHT THINK, WELL, I'M LEASING HERE AND SO I DESERVE TO HAVE SIGN. 
          IF THERE IS AN EXPECTATION FOR TENANTS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SIGNAGE OR HAVE SOME SIGNAGE VISIBLE, IT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED HERE IN A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
           MEANING THIS SIGNAGE IS FOR THE BUILDING. 
          THIS IS POTENTIALLY FOR FUTURE TENANTS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU CAN GET APPROVAL ON ALL THAT AT ONE TIME. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK AND COORDINATE. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. 
          THEY ACTUALLY HAD THE SAME CONCEPT AT THE CENTURY BUILDING, UM, THAT'S LOCATED NEAR NORTH STAR MALL OFF OF FOUR 10. 
          IT'S LIKE THAT BIG GLASS BUILDING THAT'S REAL FAR AWAY FROM THE PARK, LIKE A PARKING LOT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, BUT THEY HAD THAT SAME CONCEPT THERE. 
          SO I'LL ASK 'EM WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THEY, I'M SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE 
          [03:00:01]
SIGN A DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, TO LEASE OUT A LITTLE SPACE THAT THEY PROBABLY TELL 'EM THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A SIGN. 
          BUT, UM, I JUST DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I TALK TO, JUST TO GET CLARIFICATION, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          DID YOU ALL DISCUSS THE IDEA OF A SCIENCE MASTER PLAN FOR MULTIPLE TENANTS WITH, WITH THIS APPLICANT? UH, WE HAD, WE DID NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE IN PARTICULARLY LARGE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT LIKE THE RIVER, UH, RIVER, UH, CENTER MALL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE, THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ROUTINELY DONE. 
          AND SO I, I THINK THIS, THIS PROPERTY WARRANTS THAT. 
          UH, JUST GIVEN THE SIZE AND THE POTENTIAL CHANGE OUT OF TENANTS AND, AND SORT OF THING, I, THE TENANTS ARE NOT GONNA HAVE SIGNAGE THOUGH. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA, IT'S A, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF CONCEPT WHERE THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SIGN. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT KIND OF PERMANENT PRESENCE OUT THERE. 
          ON THE MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER, VE MO, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. 
          PAGE 14, 15 AND 16 COLORS AND TREATING THE COLORS AS QUASI ART SIGNAGE. 
          SO COLORS AS PRESENTED. 
          UH, OVERALL, THE, AND I'LL WAIT FOR COMMENTS IN THE, IF IT GETS A SECOND, AND I HATE TO INTERRUPT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THERE WAS ALSO, UH, MR. TET, I HAD SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO HEAR FROM HIM FIRST. 
          AND THEN I ALSO HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM NINE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PASS THOSE OUT. 
          I, I HAVE THE LETTERS, BUT HE'S PASSING OUT JUST A MAP TO, UH, SHE'S PASSING OUT A MAP JUST TO SHOW WHERE THEY ARE. 
          BUT, UM, THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME'S ANDREW. 
          THE, I'M WITH, UH, THEDA CONSULTING AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE 200 SQUARE FEET AND OVERWHELMINGLY, UM, SHOWED SUPPORT. 
          AND, AND OVERWHELMINGLY, I MEAN A HUNDRED PERCENT, EVERYONE THAT I SPOKE TO, UM, DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIGNAGE. 
          THEY UNDERSTOOD, UM, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PROPORTIONATE TO THAT. 
          AND THEN IF I COULD SPEAK TO THE, UH, SOUTHTOWN, UH, URBAN OFFICE, UM, THEY ASKED ME ABOUT THAT. 
          AND UH, AND FROM WHAT THEY JUST NATURALLY GATHERED WAS BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED IN SOUTHTOWN, IT'S KIND OF A HIPSTER, UM, ENVIRONMENT, NEW VIBE, THEY UNDERSTOOD, OH, SOUTHTOWN URBAN OFFICE MADE A LOT OF SENSE IF THAT EVEN MATTERS. 
          UM, THEY KIND OF GOT THAT, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE COLORS OR IT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. 
          SO IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY ONLY ABOUT THE, UH, SIGNAGE. 
          UM, AND SO EVERYONE THAT I SPOKE TO RE, REGARDLESS OF THE ANGLE THAT THEY LIVED AT, WHETHER THEY LIVED, UM, IT WAS ST. 
          MARY'S OR STEINER OR FUR, UM, THEY WERE SHOWN WHAT THEY WERE GONNA LOOK AT EVERY DAY DRIVING BY. 
          THEY LOVED THE CONCEPT AND THAT WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF EVERYONE THAT LIVED WITHIN THE 200 SQUARE FOOT, UH, 200 FEET OF THAT, WHICH ARE THE MOST IMPACTED PEOPLE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU. 
          IF WE DON'T GET A SECOND, I'LL DO A SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR A DIFFERENT MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE MOTION? I'LL MOTION TO, UM, I WANT THIS, I WANNA MOVE THIS TO A D R C 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, DISCUSSION ON VERSUS MURALS AND NOT I AGREE. 
          UH, LET ME GET A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION IS SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A D R C. 
          NOW DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE REASON WHY I'M DOING THAT, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I THINK, UM, THE LETTERS, WHATEVER'S ON THE BRICK, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I ALSO WORRIED ABOUT. 
          MAYBE WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE MATERIAL IS BEFORE WE PAINT THE BRICKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU SAID THE URBAN OFFICER WITH THE DOORS WAS NOT, BUT MAYBE THE LETTERS. 
          WELL, CAN WE MOVE? MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING THE LETTERS AWAY FROM THE BRICK. 
          I HAVE NOT. 
          AND NOTHING AGAINST REALLY PAINTING THE BUILDING. 
          I THINK YES. 
          SOUTHTOWN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTS TO THAT ARTIST, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO BLUE STAR. 
          REALLY? I DO NOT WANT TO COMPARE THIS WITH THE AMART BUILDING AT ALL. 
          I THINK THIS IS MORE COMPARABLE TO BLUE STAR COMPLEX. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I AM A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT THE SATAN URBAN AREA OFFICE SIGNAGE. 
          YOU SAID MAYBE IT WAS LOWERING IT. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE OR WHATEVER WE CALL IT, IS THAT WE MOVE AWAY FROM THE WORDING SIGNAGE AND WE MOVE AND WE MOVED TO MORE, MORE LIKE ARTISTIC MURALS. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE INCORPORATING SOME NAMES. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MOVE THIS TO FIRST. 
          NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          JUST TO, I APPRECIATE IT TO ECHO THAT. 
          I THINK THAT THAT WAS VERY, VERY WELL CAPTURED. 
          YES. 
          IN MY THOUGHTS. 
          [03:05:01]
THANK YOU. 
          THINK. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LOOK FOR, 'CAUSE I DO SEE THIS MORE AS A SORT OF A GRAPHIC ENHANCEMENT TO THE BUILDING RATHER THAN SIGNAGE. 
          RIGHT? IT REALLY DOES. 
          IT'S TRANSFORMATIVE TO IT OTHERWISE KIND OF RATHER PLAIN JANE BUILDING, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          NO OFFENSES TO JANE'S OUT THERE . 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK IT, IT ALSO JUST NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENCY WITHIN IT. 
          LIKE THE, ON THE, UH, WHAT IS IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE THERE'S THOSE VERY LARGE LETTERS? WELL, WHAT IF THEY, THOSE BEGIN TO YOU, THERE'S A CONFORMANCE OF THE SIZE WHEN YOU DO GO BIG, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF GRAPHIC LAYOUT MM-HMM. 
          , YOU ONLY HAVE THREE FONT SIZES, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE MAJOR RULE THAT YOU GIVE YOURSELF, UH, JUST FROM A GRAPHIC, UH, ARTIST STANDPOINT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I THINK JUST SOME, SOME TAMING DOWN ON THAT. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE THOSE EXISTING CANOPIES AND I COULD SEE SOME CHANNEL LETTERS UP THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT GIVES SOME HIGHLIGHT TO, TO WHAT IS SOME OF THE FEW ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE BUILDING ARE THOSE CANOPIES. 
          RIGHT? SO GIVEN AN ARCHITECTURAL LETTERING APPROACH TO THAT. 
          SO I THINK A D R C WOULD HELP TO MASSAGE THIS OUT AND OKAY. 
          AND I'M, I'M VERY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          I KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE, SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT GOES WELL BEYOND KIND OF THE CONVENTIONAL SIGNAGE. 
          OH. 
          YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED 50 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , I APPRECIATE IT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAVE, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS WELL. 
          MY, MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION IS I, I THINK SIGNAGE CAN BE PARTICULARLY TRICKY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS. 
          YES. 
          AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE CLEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AND THE NUMBER OF SIGNAGE PIECES IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK IT IS, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPT. 
          I'M, I UNDERSTAND MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET IS LIKELY, BUT WHAT EXACTLY IT IS WHERE IT IS, WHAT'S THE APPLICATION IS IMPORTANT TO KIND OF GET UPDATED IN THE DOCUMENTS. 
          IT DOESN'T NEED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DETAIL, BUT IT SHOULD BE REALLY CLEAR AND IT'LL HELP US TO MOVE FORWARD A LOT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          AGENDA ITEM 24. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 1 1. 
          THIS IS FOR 1 25 CITY STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING FRONT FACADE CLADDING TO EXPOSE THE EXISTING BRICK AND TO, TO PAINT THE EX, UH, PROPOSED EXPOSED BRICK STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. 
          SHOULD THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A MEANS FOR STUCCO REMOVAL THAT DOES NOT DAMAGE THE UNDER UNDERLYING BRICK. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE BRICK BE REPAIRED AND REMAINED UNPAINTED CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          THE APPLICANT'S JONATHAN RODRIGUEZ AND CHRISTINA GUERRERO ARE HERE IN PERSON. 
          AND THERE'S ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME'S JONATHAN. 
          I'M WITH VISION DESIGN AND BUILD. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN, UM, HIRED BY MR. AND MRS. ROBBINS TO, UH, DO THE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, MY OFFICE, UH, AND, AND ALL OF THEIR EXPERIENCE FEELS LIKE THERE ARE TWO APPROPRIATE WAYS TO REMOVE PLASTER FROM BRICK. 
          ONE OF THOSE WAYS IS BY DOING A HAMMER DRILL. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER WAY IS THE WAY THAT WE, UH, TEST IT ON THE, THE SLIDE THAT YOU SEE THERE. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR WAY, IT WAS USED BY A, UH, GRINDER. 
          UM, AND BETWEEN THE TWO OPTIONS WE FEEL LIKE THE GRINDER GIVES US THE BEST, UH, RESULT WITH THE IDEA OF PAINTING THE BRICK AFTER WE'RE COMPLETED. 
          UM, I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A MENTION IN FROM STAFF REGARDING THE BRICK BEING, UH, REMAIN UNPAINTED TO CONSIST WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          UH, WITH THAT BEING NOTED, UH, WE FEEL LIKE THERE IS A, A FEW, UH, RESIDENTS ON THAT STREET THAT DOES HAVE PAINTED BRICK, AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW, UM, HOUSES AND RESIDENTS IN THE OVERALL HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT DO HAVE PAINTED BRICK AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER SINO, UH, QUESTION FOR MR. RODRIGUEZ, UH, FROM THE PHOTO THAT WE SEE HERE, UM, IS YOUR TEST PATCH, YOU SAY PLASTER OVER THE BRICK, 
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IS IT A PLASTER OR IS IT A STUCCO? IT'S A PLASTER. 
          IT LOOK, IT, IT, IT HAS MORE CHARACTERISTICS OF, OF A PLASTER AS OPPOSED TO A STUCCO. 
          A STUCCO, UH, HAS LIKE THREE LAYERS AND HAS A LAY THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THIS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND, AND THESE, YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE WAS NO, UM, UH, EXISTING LAY THAT ATTACHED TO THE BRICK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WHAT ABOUT THE MATERIAL, UM, OF THIS PLASTER? IS IT, UM, UH, CAN YOU DETERMINE IF THERE'S A LOT OF PORTLAND? DOES IT SEEM TO BE SOFTER OR HARDER THAN THE GROUT OF THE BRICK? UH, YEAH, IT, HMM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO SAY THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY, UM, EQUAL IN THEIR HARDNESS. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I'M NOTICING IN SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT OTHER FACES OF THIS PARTICULAR, UH, STRUCTURE ARE ALSO BRICK AND THAT BRICK IS PAINTED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER BRICK, UH, ON THE EXTERIOR SIDE THAT IS UNPAINTED? NO, THERE IS NOT. 
          AND ALL, ALL THE OTHER SIDES OF THE BUILDING IS PAINTED BRICK? YES, SIR. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, EZ, IS THE BRICK THAT YOU EXPOSED HERE WHEN YOU TOOK THAT LITTLE TEST PIECE OUT, IS THAT THE SAME BRICK THAT'S ON THE SIDES? YES, SIR. 
          THAT IS SAME SIZE AND YES, SIR, IT'S, SO THE HOUSE, UM, IF YOU SEE IT WAS BUILT IN 1899 BASED OFF OF STASS RESEARCH. 
          UM, AND THAT IS THE ORIGINAL BRICK THAT IS SHOWN ON, UH, THAT WE HAVE EXPOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. 
          THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          IN THIS, UH, IN THE TEST SAMPLE, IF WE GO BACK TO THAT IMAGE FOR A SECOND, ARE THOSE, IT WAS A, A ROTARY GRINDER THAT YOU USED? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU DO SEE? UM, YOU KNOW, NOT TRYING TO REPEAT MYSELF, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA PAINT THE BRICK AFTER THAT GIVES US THE BEST RESULT IN USING THE ROTARY TOOL AS OPPOSED TO, UH, A CHIPPING ELEMENT THAT COULD DO WE FEEL LIKE MORE, UM, DAMAGE TO THE FACADE AND THE FACES OF THE BRICK. 
          HAVE MORE DENTS, HAVE MORE, UM, ABRASIONS BY USING SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION AND WHAT WE DID HAS A MORE CONSISTENT ELEMENT TO IT. 
          ONCE THE WHOLE THING IS RE RE UM, UH, RE REMOVED. 
          UM, IF YOU CAN SEE IN SOME OF THE PICTURES ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE THAT THE PLASTER WAS HARDLY REMOVED AND IT'S VERY, UM, IT, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THEY PAINTED OVER PLASTERED BRICK  AND, AND THROW THE REMAINING PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO THIS IS MY CONCERN THEN. 
          UM, AND MAYBE THIS SHOULD BE HELD OFF FOR THE DISCUSSION. 
          I'LL, I'LL HOLD OFF MY, MY CONCERNS FOR THIS, THIS PROPOSED PROCESS. 
          I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS WE DISCUSS. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          SO YOU'RE REMOVING THE STUCCO AND THEN I SEE A PLAN FOR PUTTING IN LIKE A NEW FLOORING. 
          IS THAT PART OF THE ASK AGAIN TODAY HERE TOO? UM, STAFF REVIEWED THE, UH, PORCH MODIFICATIONS AND, UM, DEEMED THAT IT WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          UM, THE CURRENT EXISTING PORCH MODIFICATIONS OR THE PORCH CONFIGURATION WAS INSTALLED SOMETIME IN THE FIFTIES. 
          IT WAS INSTALLED IN THE FIFTIES AND WE, SO I MEAN, LIKE ALL OF IT WOULD BE REMOVED AND NONE OF IT IS ORIGINAL. 
          THE FRONT PORCH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S DRAWINGS THAT WE WERE VIEWED AS PART OF THE SUBMISSION. 
          UM, THOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, SO THE ITEM AT THE H C R C TODAY IS THE STUCCO REMOVAL METHOD. 
          COMMISSIONER SINA, UH, QUICK QUESTION. 
          THE LENTILS THAT HAVE BEEN PAINTED, UM, ARE YOU PLANNING TO REMOVE THE PAINT FROM THOSE AND I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE ORIGINAL ALSO? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO YOU, YOU'LL WANT TO REMOVE THE PAINT OFF OF THOSE? YES. 
          AND HOW DO YOU, UM, PROPOSE TO REMOVE THE PAINT FROM THE STONE LENTILS? UM, THE SAME PROCESS, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF GRINDING IN ORDER TO, TO GET THE, UH, SMOOTHNESS OUT OF IT AND THEN TO HAVE AN OVERALL SMOOTH APPLICATION AFTER IT'S DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO YOU WOULDN'T DO ANY FURTHER GROOMING OF THE STONE TO RECAPTURE THAT HAND HUE TEXTURE ON THE LENTILS? I FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA BE, UM, ACCOMPLISHED BY THAT PROCESS IN WHICH WE'RE DOING THE SAME AS, AS THE BRICK, SO IT'S ALL CONSISTENT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'LL JUST THROW MY HAT IN HERE. 
          STAFF CAN RECOMMEND A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR PAINT REMOVAL THAT DON'T REQUIRE THE GRINDING. 
          WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA REMOVE THAT TEXTURE. 
          SO I MEAN, UM, WHICH WE, WE ARE OPEN TO, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, IN OUR STAFF, UH, WE'VE HAVE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND, UH, THESE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, UH, SOLUTIONS THAT WE FEEL LIKE ARE GIVING US THE BEST, UH, 
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RESULTS. 
          AFTER WE'RE FINISHED WITH THE PROCESS, I'LL DO A MOTION QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          WELL, I, I DO FOR STAFF. 
          UM, DO WE GET IN, IN INTERFERE IN THE MEANS AND METHODS BY, UH, MANDATING YES. 
          WHEN THEY DAMAGE THE HISTORIC MATERIALS? ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, THAT, THAT WE DO OR WE DON'T? WE, WE, WE DO GET INVOLVED IN THEIR MEANS AND METHODS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, UM, I MEAN, THE FIRST CHAPTER OF THE GUIDELINES, THAT'S EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS, THERE'S A SECTION ON, UM, MASONRY PRESERVATION. 
          AND SO THERE'S, UM, GUIDELINES ON CLEANING, UM, AS WELL AS JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE. 
          SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS JUST ABOUT THE ALTERATIONS, BUT THE METHODOLOGY AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT NOW WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE APPLICANTS OR THE INDIVIDUALS AND A GIVEN TESTIMONY THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCED IN THESE PROCESSES AT SOME POINT, IS IT JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE OPINION VERSUS ANOTHER OPINION? I AM CONFIDENT THAT THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS THAN USING A GRINDR. 
          SO MR. CHAIR, I THINK WE HAVE SEEN MANY SOLUTIONS. 
          UH, OTHER, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, SORRY, AND I'M GONNA DO THE MOTION. 
          I'M, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE? YES, I'M, WELL, WELL, I'M NOT SURE I WAS, I I WAS, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT I WAS FINISHED. 
          I, I, I, I'VE JUST, IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT TO TELL THE APPLICANT WHAT TO DO THEN. 
          THAT, THAT IF THE APPLICANT IS SAYING WE WOULD DO THIS, AND THEN WE WOULD SAY, WELL, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS, THEN THAT KIND OF IMPLICATES US TO SAY HOW, SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IF WE COULD TELL HIM HOW TO DO IT, JUST YOU HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY, THEN HE CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT HIS ORGANIZATION IS ABLE TO DO THAT, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING TO THE APPLICANT TO THE OWNER RIGHT. 
          TO NOT USE THIS CONTRACTOR AT SOME LEVEL. 
          SO I'LL DO THE MOTION SO WE CAN MOVE TO DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK IT'S ON IN THOSE LINES. 
          I'LL SAY, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE PROVIDING THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES THIS A METHOD TO REMOVE INSTOCK WITHOUT DAMAGING THE, THE BRICKS. 
          SO THAT'S UP TO YOU. 
          BUT I DO THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK WITH STAFF AND I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE, UM, A PROBLEM BY, IN THIS CASE, UH, PAINTING THE BRICKS SINCE ALL THE OTHER SIDES OF THE HOUSE HAVE TO PAINT A BRICK. 
          MAY I SUGGEST AN AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THE STONE LENTILS AS WELL? CORRECT. 
          SORRY, INCLUDING STONE LEN SECOND. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION AND, AND I THINK WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE, IN MANY CASES, WAYS OF, OF OTHER APPLICANTS BECOMING, AND I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SMOOTH. 
          LOOK, AND I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, THERE IS THAT GROOVES BETWEEN THE BRICKS, WHICH IS WHAT REALLY, I MEAN, NORMALLY I WOULD NOT SUPPORT PAINTED BRICK, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT THE HISTORIC BRICK. 
          WE DON'T WANT THAT SMOOTH FINISH. 
          WE ACTUALLY WANT THOSE GROOVES. 
          WE DO WANT ACTUALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL LOOK OF THE IMPERFECTIONS OF THOSE BRICKS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DON'T THINK THE METHOD OF THE GRINDER IS IT IS DAMAGING. 
          I MEAN, I THINK EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SAYS IS WE JUST WANT THE LEAST INVASIVE DAMAGING TO THE BRICK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT COMMISSIONER, UH, OF A COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, THE METHOD THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US IS CLEARLY DAMAGING THE BRICK. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, MATERIAL SCIENCE HERE. 
          BRICK HAS WHAT'S CALLED A FIRE SKIN, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH IS A DENSER MATERIAL THAT HELPS TO PROTECT THE SOFTER MATERIAL, THE INTERIOR OF THE BRICK. 
          AND IT'S PART OF THE PROBLEMS WITH CLEAN METHODS LIKE SANDBLASTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IS THEY ERODE AWAY THE NATURAL PROTECTIVE FINISH OF THE BRICK. 
          IT'S LIKE A GLAZE ON A PORCELAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS MORE DURABLE TO, UH, AND MORE RESISTANT TO WEATHERING. 
          SO THIS PROCESS WILL MAKE THIS BRICK MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO WEATHERING EVEN WHEN IT GETS PAINTED, BECAUSE THEN THE PAINT, WHEN IT FAILS, WATER WILL GET BEHIND THE FILM OF THE PAINT AND IT WILL GET INTO THE, INTO THE WALL, AND IT WILL BEGIN TO TURN THE BRICK INTO SOLUTION AND IT WILL BEGIN TO DETERIORATE. 
          SO THIS IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE PROCESS. 
          REMOVING THE PLASTER IS BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY NOT HISTORIC. 
          SO I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS, IS FINDING A METHOD THAT WORKS THAT ISN'T JUST ABOUT CONVENIENCE AND SPEED, BUT DOES SELF SAFEGUARD, UH, THE MATERIAL. 
          THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          MR. MR. CERVANTES. 
          YEAH, I'M GONNA ECHO THAT. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, AS YOU LOOK AT THE BRICK ON THE SIDE OF THAT PICTURE THERE, IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE MORTAR IS KIND OF, UH, UNDER OR BELOW THE SURFACE OF THE BRICK. 
          AND THE BRICK KIND OF PROTRUDES A LITTLE BIT. 
          WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE WITH THE, UH, SCRAPING IS YOU MADE IT ALL FLAT AND EVEN, AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK, UH, THAT'S WHAT I NOTICED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MR. SINA, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UM, MR. RODRIGUEZ, 
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CAN YOU TELL US WHY THE OWNER WANTS TO REMOVE THE STUCCO? UH, SHE, I MEAN, IF YOU CAN LOOK, UH, SHOW LIKE THE WHOLE PICTURE OF IT, IT'S JUST VERY INCONSISTENT. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, SHE'S JUST DOES, IT'S NOT A FAN OF IT. 
          SHE DOES NOT LIKE THE LOOK OF THAT, AND SHE WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE EXISTING BRICK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BARRING TAKING THAT OFF, I, I FEEL LIKE, UM, ONCE YOU TAKE THAT PORCH OFF AND REINSTATE THE VICTORIAN MM-HMM. 
          STYLE PORCH, I THINK THE STUCCO ON THE BRICK MIGHT BE LESS OBVIOUS AND LESS OBTRUSIVE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT MIGHT ACTUALLY WORK AS A PACKAGED MM-HMM. 
          , AND YOU MAY WANNA RECONSIDER THAT APPROACH. 
          UM, AS WE GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THE VICTORIAN HOUSES, A LOT OF 'EM DO HAVE STUCCO OR ONE TYPE OF MATERIAL ON THE FRONT AND A DIFFERENT MATERIAL ON THE SIDE. 
          SO THERE IS A PRECEDENT FOR THAT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, UH, MY QUICK THOUGHTS ON THAT MI MR. CHAIR, IT IT, YES, SIR. 
          TO, TO ME IT SEEMS THAT, THAT THE PROBLEM IS REMOVING THE STUCCO PERIOD BECAUSE I, I HAVE A HARD TIME IMAGINING THAT FROM, FROM THE PICTURES OF THE STUCCO WHERE IT'S BEEN REMOVED, THAT THAT'S NOT A REALLY DENSE MATERIAL THAT'S REALLY GRABBED ONTO THAT BRICK. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LENTILS, THE, UM, THE STYLE OF THE LENTIL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE STUCCO AND EVEN, EVEN IN TERMS OF PERIOD. 
          SO IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO BE STUC OUT IN THE FRONT WITH THAT STYLE OF LENTIL OVER THE WINDOWS. 
          AND THEN AS IT TURNS TO THE SIDE, IT TURNS INTO BRICK AND IT HAS AN EXPOSED BRICK LENTIL AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S LIKE TWO, TWO STYLES CONNECTED WITH A FACADE THAT SPEAKS ITS OWN LANGUAGE. 
          UM, BUT, BUT TO, TO, TO GO BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE, THAT THAT THE, THIS APPLICANT GOES BACK TO THE OWNER WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET THIS, THIS IN ITS TOTALITY, THIS STUCCO OFF THIS BRICK WITHOUT DAMAGING IT AT THE THICKNESS THAT'S BEEN PLACED. 
          IT, IT, IT SEEMS THAT THAT'S WHAT THE REAL PROBLEM IS, THAT PERHAPS IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO REMOVE THE STUCCO. 
          AND I'LL JUST WRAP THIS UP BEFORE THE VOTE AND SAY THAT, UH, FROM THE REMOVAL SAMPLE, I WOULD AGREE THAT THE, THE GRINDING IS DAMAGING THE FACE OF THE BRICK, UH, WHICH TELLS ME THAT THE, UH, PLASTER STUCCO MATERIAL IS QUITE HARD, QUITE WELL BONDED TO THE, TO THE BRICK. 
          AND THAT FINDING A SUCCESSFUL WAY TO REMOVE IT IS GOING TO PROVE CHALLENGING. 
          AND, UM, UH, LIKE COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ SAID, UH, TRYING TO REMOVE IT FROM THAT ENTIRE FACADE, IT'S LIKELY THAT THERE WILL BE AREAS WHERE A SUCCESSFUL REMOVAL WON'T BE POSSIBLE AT ALL. 
          AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME EXPOSED BRICKS, SOME PLASTER. 
          AND SO, UM, I, I MEAN, UH, IF I MAY JUST, UH, I AGREE WITH THAT COMMENT 100% AND IN ANY PROCESS THAT WE DO, AND YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROCESSES TO REMOVE PLASTER, AND I'M NOT ARGUING THAT PARTICULAR FACT. 
          MY, THE THING THAT I'M PRESENTING IS WE FEEL LIKE IF THE OVERALL, UM, UH, RES RESULT IS A PAINTED BRICK, THEN THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS WOULD BE THE BEST FOR THAT PARTICULAR THING, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS. 
          THIS IS WHAT I'M PRESENTING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SENO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER NAYYY. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID WE GET THE APPLICANT FOR CASE NUMBER 19? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          UM, I DUNNO IF THIS IS WORTH SAYING IT TO THE MIKE, BUT IT IS A VIOLATION CASE AND I HAVEN'T, I REACHED THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THE FIRST TIME YESTERDAY AFTER ABOUT TWO MONTHS OF CONTACT. 
          UM, SHOULD I READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD ANYWAYS? COREY, UH, MR. CHAIR, JUST POINT OF ORDER YES. 
          ON THE PREVIOUS MOTION, UM, I HAVE GROUP MAKING THE INITIAL MOTION AND I TRIED TO CLARIFY THAT THE SECOND, AND WE, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS THE SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [03:25:07]
DO WE NEED, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ IT INTO THE RECORDS. 
          READ IT INTO THE MOTION, UH, RECORD, AND THEN, UM, WE'LL TAKE ACTION. 
          PROBABLY CONTINUANCE ITEM 19 ON THE AGENDA. 
          HT R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 8 1 9 3 1 NORTH IH 35. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LAWN WITH GRAVEL AND ROCK MULCH STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LAWN WITH GRAVEL AND ROCK MULCH BASED ON FINDING. 
          C. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT INCLUDES AT LEAST 50% GREENERY, WHICH WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE SECOND. 
          MOTION SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? CAN THIS, SINCE THIS IS A VIOLATION AND YOU CAN'T GET A HOLD OF THE O OWNER, CAN WE ADD THAT IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP BY NEXT TIME IT'S ON THE AGENDA, WE ACTUALLY TAKE A VOTE ON IT WITHOUT THE OWNER? WE'LL SEE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. 
          YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION NOW, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. 
          WELL, WELL, SINCE WE'RE IN DISCUSSION, I, IT'S PROBABLY VERY APPROPRIATE THAT WE MEET AGAIN AND THE APPLICANT DOESN'T SHOW UP. 
          THEN THE APPLICANT HAS IT KINDA DEFERRED ANY DECISION COMPLETELY TO US. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS THE LAST CASE. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT I DO MAKE A MOTION THAT YOU GET THE CLOCK FIXED.
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