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          I HAD LIKE 
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TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JUNE 21ST, 2023. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. 
          FISH. 
          HERE. 
          SAVINO. 
          HERE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          HERE. 
          MOOKA. 
          HERE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          HERE. 
          GROUP. 
          HERE. 
          CERVANTES BAKER FETZER. 
          HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, WE WILL HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. 
          IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF THE TRANSLATORS COME UP. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE AS NECESSARY. 
          APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY, WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETINGS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, 
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UP FIRST WE HAVE APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES. 
          WE HAVE THREE HEARINGS, UH, DECEMBER 21ST, JANUARY 18TH AND JUNE 7TH. 
          WE'RE CATCHING UP. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, BOTH MINUTES, UH, WITH, UH, AS, AS SUBMITTED, BUT STAFF SECOND HAVE A MOTION. 
          A SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MAZUA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MINUTES PASS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NOW IF WE, UH, UH, PUT OUR ATTENTION ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, JUST A QUICK NOTE THAT ITEM 22, UM, 10 32 SOUTH ALAMO HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT, SO THAT ONE WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. 
          UM, MOVING UP TO THE CONSENT 
          [CONSENT AGENDA
Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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AGENDA, WE HAVE, UH, 13 ITEMS ON CONSENT. 
          UM, NOW WE WILL SEE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THOSE ITEMS, UM, BEGINNING WITH VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM TWO. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. 
          AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONTINUES TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AT THE NORTH END OF HEMISPHERE PARK, THE MOST HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CORNER FOR VISITORS TO OUR CITY. 
          WHILE THE HOTEL ON ALAMO STREET REFLECTS THE CITY'S EARLIEST SKYSCRAPERS IN ITS DESIGN AND ENCOURAGES VIEWS INTO HEMISPHERE PARK, THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IS CLUMSY AND PLAIN WITH FLATTENED FACADES 
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COMPOSED OF NON-TRADITIONAL MATERIALS AND MASSING THAT BLOCKS VIEWS INTO HEMISPHERE PARK. 
          THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT MISSES THE OPPORTUNITY TO RELATE TO THE NEW CIVIC PARK BY FAILING TO ARTICULATE STEP BACK THE FACADE. 
          AND BY NOT INCORPORATING APPROPRIATELY SCALED, COMFORTABLE OUTDOOR SPACES ON THE UPPER LEVELS, STRENGTHENING THE CONNECTION TO ACTIVE SPACES IN THE PARK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. 
          MOREOVER, THE PEO PLACES VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER, POTENTIALLY CREATING A HAZARD TO PEDESTRIANS, ENTERING AND EXITING HEMISPHERE PARK. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO BELIEVES THE BUILDING'S BLAND AND INSTITUTIONAL DESIGN REFLECTS POORLY ON THE CITY'S CULTURE. 
          AND DOWNTOWN STREETSCAPE, THE DESIGN DOES NOT REFLECT THE RICH ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL LEGACY OF DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          ITEM 6 4 23 MUNCIE. 
          HI, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS, 8 1 7 NOLAN, I'M CALLING IN ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL FOR 4 23. 
          MUNCIE, WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THE REQUIREMENTS NEEDED TO RECEIVE FINAL TAX VERIFICATION? THE PICTURES PROVIDED SHOW THE WORK PRIOR TO RENOVATION, WHEN ARE PICTURES OF THE COMPLETED RENOVATION REQUIRED FOR APPROVAL? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, EDWARD, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WE HAVE, UM, AN AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM, UM, FETTE JONES, AND SHE'LL REPE, EXCUSE ME, SHE'LL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          PHYLLIS MCNAIR IS HERE AND HAS YIELDED, UH, HER TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS FETTE JONES. 
          WE'RE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROJECT, UH, THAT IS ON 4 23 MUNCY STREET. 
          BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IN 1961, OUR GRANDPARENTS PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY WITH THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE AT EIGHT 30 LAMAR IN 1996, OUR GRANDPARENTS PAID OFF THIS HOUSE AND GARAGE AT EIGHT 30 LAMAR. 
          IN 2011, THE HOUSE AT 43, UH, 4 23 MUNCIE WAS PURCHASED BY A DEVELOPER AND STATED THAT THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY WITH THE GARAGE, AND IT IS A OBVIOUS DISCREPANCY, BUT THAT WAS OUR PROPERTY. 
          AND WE FOUND OUT WHEN WE HAD OUR SURVEY IN 2020, UH, 2011 TO DO, UM, A PROPERTY SURVEY, THEY FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS FRAUDULENT ACTIVITY ON THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE. 
          IN 20, UM, 11, WE TRIED TO GO TO SAID DEVELOPER AND TO GET A, UM, GO THROUGH A MEDIATION SO WE CAN DISCUSS THIS PROCEDURE AND FIND OUT THAT IT WAS FRAUDULENT. 
          IN 1961, THERE WERE NO EASEMENTS. 
          SO THE GARAGE WAS BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH 1961, BUT IT WAS PURCHASED ALREADY THERE. 
          AND NOW IN 2023, IT HAS GONE THROUGH TWO MORE DEVELOPERS. 
          AND NOW THIS THIRD, UH, IN EACH TIME IT GOES THROUGH A DEVELOPER, THEY COME TO OUR PROPERTY AT EIGHT 30 LAMAR AND THREATEN US TO ACTUALLY HAVE US MOVE, REMOVE THIS GARAGE WITHOUT ANY PROOF THAT THEY'RE, UM, ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE IN DECLINING ABOUT. 
          SO UNTIL THIS MATTER IS RESOLVED, WE ARE HAVING, UH, WE TAKE ISSUE WITH THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY AT 4 23 MUNCIE AFFECTS SEVERAL AREAS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE DICK WITTY AREA AND THE ORIGINAL SUR UH, SURVEY WAS DONE, UM, PRIOR TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE YEAR, UH, YEAR 1921, THERE WAS ORIGINAL SURVEY AND THIS LAND HAS BEEN DIVIDED AND DIVIDED AND DIVIDED, AND NOW THEY'RE WANTING TO TAKE, UH, LAND FROM MY GRANDPARENTS WHO HAD PURCHASED IT OUTRIGHT IN 1976. 
          AND THE DEVELOPERS, UH, COME EVERY TIME AND THEY WANT TO, UM, DEMOLISH IT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR AND THAT WE ARE HAVING TO, UM, GO THROUGH THIS AND WE WOULD LOVE TO GO THROUGH MEDIATION SO WE CAN REALLY REFER TO THIS AND GET IT SETTLED AT ONE TIME, AT ONE FOR ALL BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT EVERY TIME IT'S SOLD, THE TITLE COMPANY IGNORES THE OBVIOUS DISCREPANCIES ON THE SURVEY. 
          THEY JUST IGNORE THAT PORTION OF IT, AND THE DEVELOPERS AREN'T TRYING TO TAKE PROPERTIES OF THAT RESIDENCE AND HAS BEEN, UM, AND WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 60 YEARS AND THEY WANNA COME IN AND DEVELOP THE AREA WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANY REGARD TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE, UM, HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, PHYLLIS. 
          SO PHYLLIS HAD YIELDED HER 
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TIME. 
          DID SHE WANNA SPEAK TO, UH, NO, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE DONE, BUT WE JUST WANNA DO OUR OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT AT 4 23 MUNCIE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM NUMBER 9 4 32 EAST MULBERRY. 
          UH, THIS IS CHRIS WHITE, AN OWNER OF 4 1 4 EAST MULBERRY. 
          NEXT SPEAK, UH, IN REGARDS TO ITEM 2021 DASH 0 1 3, THE, UH, 4 32 EAST MULBERRY, UM, PROPERTY, UH, I'D LIKE STATE THAT I'M OPPOSED TO ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, UM, IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL, UM, BEYOND THAT OF THE ORIGINAL O H P, THE 16 BY 18 CONCRETE PAD UNDER THE CARPORT. 
          UM, I AM THE UPSTREAMERS OR, UH, RECIPIENT OF A 20 FOOT WATERFALL OVER MY, UM, STONEWALL DUE TO MISMANAGEMENT OF WATER, UM, FROM THE UPSTREAM HOUSE. 
          UM, AND THIS HAS RESULTED IN PROPERTY DAMAGE AS WELL AS, UM, STONEWALL DAMAGE. 
          UM, IN ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL AT 4 3 2 WOULD BE A DIRECT PATHWAY TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY RESULTING IN FLOODING OF, UM, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, UM, AND, AND DAMAGE TO, TO THOSE STRUCTURES. 
          UM, THE ADDITIONAL WOULD BE IT'S ALL VISIBLE FROM FROM THE MULBERRY SO IT DOESN'T MEET, UM, THE EXISTING CRITERIA. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO QUESTIONABLE AS TO THE INTENT OF THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          UM, IF THE, AT LEAST THE PREVIOUS PLANS WILL ALLOW FOR PERMANENT PARKING OF MORE THAN FOUR, FOUR OR MORE CARS, UM, AND STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN AROUND TO THE PARKING LOT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S, UM, A, A GOOD FEATURE FOR A STARTER RESIDENTIAL STARTER HOME IN, IN MONTE VISTA. 
          SO, UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          MY NAME IS FELITA SANDOVAL. 
          I LIVE AT FIVE 10 EAST MULBERRY SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. 
          I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 1 13. 
          I'M AGAINST ANY FURTHER PLACEMENT OF IMPERVIOUS MATERIALS SLABS WEST OF MY ADDRESS. 
          RAINWATER FLOWS DOWNHILL TO TOWARDS US AND SOUTH ON KINGS COURT AND ATCH, WHICH HAS NO DRAINAGE CAUSING FLOODING IN OUR ALLEY AT MY ADDRESS HELD UP WATER CAUSES HEALTH ISSUES AND IT'S NOT THE GREATEST TO SEE A POND IN YOUR ALLEY. 
          THE WATER SEEMS TO BE COMING FROM THE WEST DOWN TO OUR AREA, SO I AM AGAINST ANY FURTHER PLACEMENT OF IMPERVIOUS MATERIALS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, THIS IS LYDIA AND JEFF RAY IN REGARDS TO 4 32 EAST MULBERRY. 
          CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH ONE THREE. 
          JEFF AND I LIVE AT 4 28 EAST MULBERRY. 
          WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF ACTION DATED JANUARY 21ST, 2021. 
          WE DO NOT APPROVE OF ANY OTHER PLAN FOR 4 32 EAST MULBERRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS MARIA SANDAL. 
          I LIVE AT FIVE 10 EAST MULBERRY AVENUE AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 1 DASH 0 1 3. 
          AND I WANNA SAY THAT I'M OPPOSED TO ANY FURTHER PLACEMENT OF IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL BEING ADDED THAT WILL INCREASE THE STAGNATION OF FLOODWATER, PARTICULARLY THE ALLEY BETWEEN ATCH AND MULBERRY AVENUE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS PAUL KENON JR. 
          I LIVE AT FOUR 18 WEST FRENCH PLACE IN THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 0 1 3, LOCATED AT 4 32 EAST MULBERRY AVENUE. 
          I AM OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR INSTALLATION OF CONCRETE SITE WORK IN THE REAR YARD AND REQUEST THAT THE H D R C DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING 
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REASONS. 
          NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSED CONCRETE DRIVE AND PARKING PAD INDICATES MORE NEW CONCRETE SERVICES THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS HISTORIC LOCATION AND CREATE THE SITE DRAINAGE PROBLEM FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          TWO, I THINK THERE IS ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS TO PROVIDE AN HISTORIC APPROPRIATE DRIVEWAY, CARPORT, LOCATION, CAR TURNAROUND, AND LARGER LANDSCAPED AREAS THAN PROPOSED, WHICH WOULD REDUCE SOME OF THESE SITE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND PROVIDE MORE PERVIOUS LANDSCAPED AREAS. 
          AND THREE, THIS PROPOSAL IS MISSING CARPORT DETAILS, CONCRETE CURB DETAILS FOR THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE AREA AND DRAINAGE INFORMATION FOR ADJACENT PROPERTY. 
          IN MY OPINION, THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS HISTORIC PROPERTY IS INDICATED AND RECOMMENDED THAT THIS APPLICATION BE DENIED. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF MY OPINION AND RECOMMENDATION. 
          H H D R C CASE 2 0 2 1 DASH 0 1 3. 
          HI, THIS IS RYAN REED. 
          I LIVE AT 2 4 2 WEST NEWLAND AVENUE IN THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          I'M CURRENTLY CHAIR OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO 4 32 EAST MULBERRY AVENUE. 
          THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE REVISED DRIVEWAY PROPOSAL FOR THE FOLLOWING REGIONS. 
          FIRST, THE ORIGINAL APPROVED DESIGN SHOWED THE USE OF PERMEABLE DECOMPOSED GRANITE FOR THE DRIVE SURFACE, AND THE NEW DESIGN REPLACES THIS WITH CONCRETE, WHICH WILL NOW COVER OVER HALF THE REAR YARD, CAUSING WATER TO SHEEP FLOW DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE LOT. 
          AND THIS POSES A DANGER TO THE HISTORIC 18 INCH ROCK WALL SEPARATING THIS PROPERTY FROM THE PROPERTY BEHIND. 
          SECOND, IT'S NOT CLEAR IF THE CARPORT WOULD BE PART OF THIS NEW PLAN, AND IF SO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE SEEN DRAWN TO THAT STRUCTURE. 
          THIRD, WE'D LIKE TO SEE DETAILS OF THE CURB AROUND THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE SURFACE TO KNOW HOW RUNOFF WILL BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND FOURTH, THE ORIGINAL PLAN SHOWED A SOD AREA BETWEEN THE PAD AND THE HOME, WHICH WE'D LIKE TO SEE REINTRODUCED. 
          SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICANT MEET WITH THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS ALTERNATE DESIGNS, THEN RESUBMIT THE DRAWINGS. 
          AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT I USED TO LIVE AT 4 34 EAST MULBERRY AVENUE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND I CAN ATTEST THAT THERE ARE DRAINAGE ISSUES HERE WITH THE WATER RUNOFF COMING DOWN PRINCESS PASS AND MULBERRY DURING HEAVY RAIN. 
          SO I, I THINK ADDING THIS MUCH CONCRETE TO A NOW CURRENT BULL YARD IS GONNA MAKE ISSUES MUCH WORSE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAIL. 
          UH, FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE ALSO LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS AND WE HAVE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. 
          SO FIRST IS BARBARA BECK. 
          UH, MS. BECKEL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. 
          LYDIA RAY AND JEFFREY HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME AND SHE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY FLOYD DEAGLE. 
          ARE WE, IS BARBARA BECK HERE? I BUT AGAIN, OUR ORDER WAS FIRST CURTIS WHITE AND THEN I THIS IS, THIS IS MR. DAIGLE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS FLOYD DELE. 
          MY PROPERTY IS AT FOUR 14 KINGS COURT AND THE, EXCUSE ME, IN MONTE VISTA. 
          AND THE MONTE VISTA AREA IS PRONE TO STREET CLOTTING DURING HEAVY RAINS. 
          LIKE, LIKE MANY ON KING'S COURT, QUEENS CRESCENT, AND WE SATS, WE, WE'VE LEARNED TO MOVE OUR CARS AND TRASH CANS OUT OF THE ROAD WHEN STORMS ARE ARE FORECAST. 
          I HAVE TO PUT UP A MEDICAL METAL BARRIER WHEN IT REALLY GETS BACKED TO KEEP THE WATER FROM FLOWING INTO MY YARD. 
          I HAVE A, A QUICK 92ND VIDEO THAT I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU GET TO THAT LINE, CLICK IT, IT'LL RUN. 
          SHOULD GO JUST CLICK. 
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IT'S THE CRASH RIGHT THERE, THE AREA WELLS. 
          IT'S A NATURAL FLOW OF THE WATER. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          SIR, DID YOU WANT TO GIVE THE REST OF YOUR COMMENTS WHILE THESE PLAY? THAT'S ACTUALLY ALL I HAVE. 
          UH, AS SOON AS THIS IS FINISHED, THEN UH, MR. CURTIS WILL TAKE OVER WHERE I WOULD THINK THAT'S ENOUGH. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE IS HIS RIGHT THERE. 
          SO CURTIS WHITE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          I'M CURTIS WHITE, AND THEN I'M 4 1 4 EAST MULBERRY. 
          MR. WHITE SHOULD HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          THERE'S WHO, WHO YIELDED A TIME? I CAN'T READ THE NAME. 
          JOSIE. 
          AND SO JOSIE OR JOSIE, ARE YOU HERE? YES. 
          WHAT'S YOUR FULL NAME? PEGGY JOSIE . 
          I COULDN'T HEAR THAT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY, WE READY? OKAY. 
          THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE, UH, SOUTHEAST CORNER. 
          UM, THE TWO BY FOUR, UH, BOUNDARY FOR THIS. 
          THE CEMENT AS IT'S LAID OUT EARLIER AS THE ORIGINAL, UM, KIND OF FENCE IS ABOUT TWO FEET FROM THAT 18 INCH WALL SO THAT EVERYTHING WILL END UP INTO THE RIGHT CORNER OF THIS, UM, INCLUDING ANYTHING FROM MULBERRY. 
          SO IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT IF THAT WAS DONE IN CEMENT OR ANY EXTENSION OF THE DRIVEWAY AND IMPERMEABLE. 
          SO ALL THAT WATER WILL END UP IN THAT CORNER WHERE THERE'S NOTHING MANAGING IT AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, IT'LL ACTUALLY DOUBLE BACK AND END UP IN, UM, BARBARA'S LAWN AND UNDER HER PURINE BEAM, CEDAR PURINE BEAM, UM, FOUNDATION. 
          SO THE MATERIAL THERE IS, UM, PAVER MIX, UM, WHICH AFTER THE RECENT RAINSTORMS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT IMPERVIOUS OR LONG DURATION. 
          IMPERVIOUS IS BASICALLY LIKE CEMENT. 
          SO, UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UM, ISSUES IS THE WATER WILL NOT ONLY GO INTO THE, THE ADJACENT BARBARA, BUT IT'LL GO, UM, OFF TO THE RIGHT ALSO AND ACROSS THAT, THAT SPACE. 
          SO, UM, WHAT WE'D RECOMMEND IS, IS GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UM, 18 BY 24, UM, SPACE AND MAKE EVERYTHING ELSE IMPERMEABLE OR PERMEABLE IN, IN SOME MANNER, UM, GRASS PREFERABLY BECAUSE IT'S A JUST ABOUT A 10 FOOT DROP FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER ON THAT LOT. 
          SO, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE MANAGEMENT IN LOWER THE VELOCITY IN ORDER TO GET THE ABSORPTION. 
          SO, UM, OKAY. 
          AND AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING FOR THE BACKYARD OF A, UM, IT'S VIEWABLE FROM THE, FROM ACTUALLY BOTH SIDES. 
          SO IT'S VIEWABLE FROM, UM, KING'S COURT AS WELL AS FROM MULBERRY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          SO I CAN YIELD MY TIME BARBARA BECK. 
          SO SIX MINUTES. 
          LYDIA, RAY AND JEFFREY HAVE YIELDED THE TIME. 
          ARE YOU MOVING TO SILENCE? YES, PLEASE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS BARBARA BECK. 
          I LIVE AT THE PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE VERY BACK, THE PROPERTY AT 4 32 EAST MARBURY. 
          WHAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T FULLY APPRECIATE ABOUT THAT PROPERTY IS THAT IT SLOPES TOWARDS THE BACK CORNER. 
          THAT BACK CORNER MEANS THAT EVEN WITH TOTALLY PERVIOUS LAND COVER, THE WATER DOES NOT PERCOLATE FAST ENOUGH TO NOT COME ONTO MY PROPERTY. 
          SO I'VE ALREADY GOT A PROBLEM WITH WATER FROM 4 32 WITH NO CONCRETE ON THERE. 
          ONCE YOU'VE ALLOW UP TO 1300 SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONAL CONCRETE INTO THAT BACKYARD, IT WILL THREATEN MY PROPERTY, MY FOUNDATION 
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AND THE DAMAGE COULD BE CATASTROPHIC. 
          SO WHAT I HAVE ATTEMPTED TO SHOW ON THIS MAP IS THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE FACE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE WATER FLOW. 
          SO THE PROPERTIES WE LIVE IN ARE PART OF MONTE VISTA, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY CALLED LAUREL HEIGHTS. 
          AND LAUREL HEIGHTS INDICATES THAT THERE WAS A HIGHER AREA AT THE TOP AND EVERYTHING IS FLOWING DOWNHILL. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION AROUND, UM, TRINITY BAPTIST, THE ELEVATION IS ABOUT 748 FEET IN FRONT OF SEVEN, UH, SORRY, 4 32 EAST MULBERRY. 
          IT COMES DOWN TO ABOUT 718 OR 717 FEET. 
          SO THE WATER IS RUNNING DOWN AT A HUGE FORCE, AND THEN IT'S JOINED BY WATER FROM PRINCESS PASS. 
          AND THE WHOLE SORT OF JOURNEY IS TO GET DOWN TO THE ACCESS ROAD OF 2 81, WHERE THERE ARE SOME DRAINS. 
          WHAT HAPPENS THOUGH IS BECAUSE OF THE SHEER FORCE AND VOLUME OF THE WATER ON MULBERRY, IT'S ACTUALLY COMING AROUND KING'S COURT WHIPPING AROUND KING'S COURT GOING ON SATCH UNTIL IT ACTUALLY MEETS THE DRAIN AT THE CORNER OF ST. 
          MARY'S AND 2 81. 
          SO I REALLY THINK THAT ONE OF THE, THE MAIN, THE SLOPE OF THIS PROPERTY TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN. 
          THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE PLANS ON HERE, HOW IT WAS WHEN THE CURRENT OWNERS BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THEIR INITIAL PLAN, WHICH ASKED FOR AND WAS GRANTED PERMISSION FOR A 16 BY 18, UH, FOOT CONCRETE PAD UNDERNEATH THE CARPET, UNDERNEATH THE CARPORT. 
          AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD DRAWINGS TO SHOW WHAT PART OF THAT WOULD BE CRUSHED GRANITE, WHAT PART OF THAT WOULD BE SOD. 
          BUT THE ONLY ADDITIONAL CONCRETE IN THE BACKYARD WAS GOING TO BE THAT 16 BY 18 FOOT PAD. 
          SO IT WAS A HUGE SURPRISE TO SEVERAL OF US IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE BEGINNING OF JUNE WHEN WE SAW A HUGE FORM BEING PLACED. 
          WE SAW IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL BEING PUT INSIDE THE FORM AND WE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          AND WHEN WE LOOKED BACK, THERE HAD BEEN NO APPLICATION FOR THIS. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT TO BEAR IN MIND THAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY PUT IN PLACE WITH NO PERMISSION, NO APPROVAL. 
          AND I'M GUESSING BECAUSE THERE WAS NO C O A THERE WAS ACTUALLY, THERE WERE NO ACTUAL PERMITS FOR WHAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO PLACE. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE BLUE AREA IS THE, THE BLUE AREA AND THE RED AREA. 
          AND THE GREEN AREA COMBINED IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED AS THE NEW CONCRETE THAT IS GOING INTO PLACE. 
          THE RED AREA IS THE ONLY PART THAT ACTUALLY HAD APPROVAL, BUT THERE ARE FORMS IN PLACE FOR THE REST OF IT. 
          AND AGAIN, BEAR IN MIND THAT AT THE VERY CORNER, THE VERY BACK CORNER OF THE BLUE IS WHERE MY PROPERTY LIES. 
          AND THE ONLY THING THAT SEPARATES ME FROM THIS WATER FLOW OR THIS CONDUIT OF WATER FROM BURY IS A DISINTEGRATING RETAINING WALL. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS A FOOT AND A HALF HIGHER THAN MY PROPERTY. 
          SO AS THE I GET WATER COMING OVER THE TOP OF THE WALL NOW, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS COVERED BY CONCRETE. 
          IF WE ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS ACTUALLY SHOWS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE GREEN AREA IS THE MINIMAL MODIFICATION THAT HAS BEEN, UM, REQUESTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE TO PUT GRAVEL IN THERE SURROUNDED BY A CURB. 
          THERE'S NO MENTION OF HOW HIGH THE CURB IS OR WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE IT COMPLIES WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF NOT BEING ABLE TO BE SEEN FROM THE STREET. 
          IT WILL BE SEEN FROM BOTH STREETS, FROM MULBERRY AND ALSO FROM KING'S COURT. 
          UM, AT THE MOMENT THERE'S IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL IN THERE AND SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN UP BEFORE ANY CRUSH GRANITE WAS PUT IN. 
          UM, LET ME JUST GATHER MY THOUGHTS HERE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THE ONE, ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COVERING A PROPERTY WITH CONCRETE AND HAVING THAT CONCRETE SLOPE TO THE STREET AND COVERING A PROPERTY WITH CONCRETE AND HAVING IT SLOPING TO AN ADJOINING PROPERTY THAT IS LOWER THAN THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. 
          AND I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY AT THE GRADIENTS AND ALSO AT THE ELEVATIONS OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. 
          AND BEAR IN MIND THE VIDEOS THAT FLOYD HAS SHOWN YOU. 
          WE HAVE WATER COMPLETELY COVERING KING'S COURT AND ON MY SIDE IT'S QUEEN'S CRESS. 
          IT'S KIND OF A FUNNY SETUP. 
          UM, ANYWAY, SO I WANT TO QUICKLY COME TO THE SUMMARY THAT I HAVE AND JUST GO OVER THAT QUICKLY. 
          UM, IN SUMMARY, THE DRIVEWAY CONSTRUCTION DONE OVER THE LAST MONTH WAS NOT APPROVED. 
          THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OF THE MONTE VISTA HAS, UM, OPPOSED IT AS RESIDENTS. 
          WE FEEL THAT THE ORIGINAL SITE PLANS SHOULD 
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BE, UM, KEPT AND THAT ANY FURTHER APPROVAL WOULD BE RESCINDED. 
          WE ALSO ASK THAT THE COMMITTEE ORDER THE REMOVAL OF ALL OF THE IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL THAT HAS BEEN PLACED WITHOUT PERMISSION, WITHOUT APPROVAL, AND WITHOUT PERMIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND NOW I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO C WINKLER. 
          SHE'S ON THE LIST. 
          HI. 
          I'M GONNA BE VERY SHORT HERE, BUT I MUST TELL YOU THAT THE WATER, WHEN WHAT YOU SAW THERE IS, HAS CAUSED SOME HAVOC. 
          AND TO ME PERSONALLY, BECAUSE ONE DAY AND I WAS IN MY PAJAMAS AND MY TRASH CAN WAS OUT FRONT, SO I DECIDED IT WAS SHAKING. 
          SO I WAS GOING OUT AFTER IT. 
          I GO CHASING IT DOWN. 
          IT'S ON ITS WAY TO 2 81 AND I HAVE A POOR NEIGHBOR DOWN THERE WHO SAW ME AND SHE THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY AND SHE CAME RUNNING AFTER ME. 
          SO IF YOU COULD HELP WITH THIS DRAINAGE, IT WOULD BE A BIG HELP. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN LAST I HAVE, UM, ANNE VAN PELT. 
          DID YOU STILL WANNA SPEAK? YES. 
          ALRIGHT, SHE'S COMING UP. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS ANNE VAN PELT. 
          I LIVE AT 1 1 9 WEST ATCH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION, SERVING ON THE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION AND ALSO ON THE ARCHITECTURAL RE REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          UH, YOUR JOB IS SO IMPORTANT TO US WITHOUT YOU ALL, WE ARE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO STAND ON. 
          SO I WANT TO FIRST TELL YOU THAT HAND IN HAND, FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS, THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN WORKING TO PRESERVE THE HOUSING STOCK IN OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT IS, WE CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT YOU. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT US. 
          WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO REALLY THINK CAREFULLY WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE SUCH AN EFFECT ON PROPERTIES AROUND THEM. 
          WE ALL LIKE TO THINK OUR LITTLE PROPERTY IS AN ISLAND. 
          IT'S OURS. 
          WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH IT. 
          NOT TRUE WHEN WE ARE DUMPING WATER INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S FOUNDATION. 
          MY REAL HAT IS REAL ESTATE. 
          I CAN TELL YOU FROM A REAL ESTATE STANDPOINT THAT FOUNDATIONS ARE ABSOLUTELY DAMAGED, UH, BEYOND REPAIR IN SOME CASES BY TOO MUCH WATER COMING TOO FAST AND NOT BEING ABLE TO BE ABSORBED. 
          SO AS YOU CAREFULLY CONSIDER THIS HERE, THESE PEOPLE HEAR ME HERE ARE YOU ARE US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKER'S BEHALF FOR THIS ITEM. 
          AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE A FEW MORE FOR CONSENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HERE FOR THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          UM, NOT YET. 
          SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ALL WE HAVE FOR CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY. 
          DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NINE. 
          ITEM NINE, ITEM TWO, ITEM TWO SIX. 
          ITEM SIX, ITEM SIX. 
          AND ITEM 12 PLEASE. 
          AND ITEM 12. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THIS TIME I AM GOING TO STEP OUT. 
          I NEED TO RECUSE OFF OF ONE CASE. 
          LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, HAS, UH, LEFT THE ROOM. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA? ITEMS THAT ARE HAVE NOT BEEN REMOVED? UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, AND 13 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AS SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GROUP AYE. 
          ALL MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, YOUR ADDRESS IS ONE 11 WEST CROCKETT, 1133 EAST CROCKETT, 4 0 4 NORTH 
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ALAMO ONE 20, KING WILLIAM 3 29 CLUB 2 21 NEWELL HOWARD STREET, UH, AT WEST MO LOWELL WOOD AVENUE ONE 14 DEBERRY AND 4 0 3 GILLESPIE. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          ITEM NUMBER TWO, MR. CHAIR. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, I PULLED THIS, UM, NOT FOR ANY, UH, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE STAFF RE REVIEW AND STIPULATIONS, BUT BASED ON, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALSO BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AT THE PAST D R C, UM, MEETING, I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ADDING THE STIPULATION TO THE, TO THE LIST OF STAFF STIPULATION. 
          BUT I DO WANNA GIVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS SHOULD THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FIRST BEFORE I MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          YES. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          I ALSO, UH, UH, ASK FOR IT TO BE PULLED. 
          I, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THE, THE DESIGNERS ARE HERE FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          YES, YES, YES, THEY ARE. 
          I, I'D LIKE TO TO MAYBE ASK YOU TO COME UP AND CLARIFY SOME, SOME CONCERNS. 
          PRI PRIMARILY RELATED TO THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S COMMENTS, WHICH I THINK ARE, ARE, UH, A LITTLE, LITTLE HARD TO TO, TO, TO DRILL IN ON ANYBODY ABOUT IT. 
          I MEAN, TO, TO EACH HIS OWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I THINK PART OF WHAT, WHAT ONE OF THE MAIN, MAIN CONCERNS THEY'RE HAVING IS WITH RESPECT TO THE COLONATE OR THE, OR THE ARCH, THE ARCADE OR THE ARCADE, UH, THAT IT, THAT IT, IT MAY BE TOO. 
          UM, WITHOUT, WITHOUT CHARACTER, RIGHT? I MEAN, IN, IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S JUST GEOMETRIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A IT SERIES OF CUT CUTOUT BOX CUTOUTS. 
          AND IT IS VERY REMINISCENT OF WHAT WAS THERE RIGHT WHEN IT WAS THE CONVENTION CENTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT WAS BRICK AND IT WAS NOT REAL, NOT VERY HUMAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, CORRECT. 
          JUST TO ADD SOME TO THAT. 
          UM, UH, JUST TO INTRODUCE MYSELF FIRST, UM, MY NAME'S MIKE BRECK LAW. 
          I'M A PRINCIPAL AND, UH, DIRECTOR OF DESIGN WITH FITZGERALD ARCHITECTS. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, THIS SITE FOR THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          YOU MAY RECALL, UH, LAST YEAR WE CAME, UH, FOR THE SAME PROJECT WITH A DIFFERENT, UH, DESIGN PROPOSAL. 
          SO YES, UM, IT IS A, WE WE'VE WORKED HARD TO MAINTAIN A KIND OF A, A, A STRONG RETAIL PRESENCE AT THE PODIUM. 
          THERE'S A CLOSE TO 40,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL AT THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          AND SO THE CHARACTER AND PRESENTATION OF THAT ENTIRE BASE IS VERY IMPORTANT, NOT ONLY TO ATTRACT, UH, TENANTS WHO WANT TO BE THERE, BUT TO BE A VERY OPEN SPACE TO THE, UH, TO THE PARK AND MARKET STREET. 
          UM, WE'RE DEFINING, WE'RE ILLUSTRATING IT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL SUBMISSION TO STILL BE LOOKED AT AS, UH, MASONRY AND STONE, UH, PODIUM THAT GOES TO ABOUT 20, UH, AND THE MARKET STREET SIDE, THAT'S, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT 26 FEET TALL. 
          THE UNDERSIDE OF THE ARCADE IS PROBABLY CLOSE TO, UM, 18 FOOT CEILING. 
          UH, THE PARK IS ABOUT FOUR FEET TALLER, HIGHER IN ELEVATION THAN MARKET STREET. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT SLOWER ON THAT SIDE. 
          BUT THE INTENT IS THAT IT'S A BRICK. 
          AND WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE, THE HERITAGE OF, UM, MASONRY CRAFTSMANSHIP THAT, UH, IS VERY SIGNIFICANT IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND, UH, EXPLORE HOW TO USE THAT AT VARIOUS DETAILING AT THESE CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS. 
          IT IS, IS BROAD, BUT IT'S A, UM, IT IS A MODERN BUILDING. 
          IT'S, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S THE BUILDING ABOVE IS THAT, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE, UM, PLAY WITH THAT MATERIAL. 
          UH, WE DID LOOK AT THE OLD CONVENTION A LOT, AND THAT WAS THE OLD CONVENTION CENTER THAT WAS, THERE WAS A VERY CONSISTENT FLAT ARCH AND ARCHED MOTIF AROUND IT. 
          AND, UM, UH, THROUGH A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS FELT THAT THIS WAS, UH, THE, THE STRONGER EXPRESSION FOR THIS BUILDING AT THIS WAY. 
          BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S MEANT TO BE VERY, UM, ENGAGING TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IT IS RE IT IS, UH, KIND OF REPETITIVE IN A SENSE, BUT IT'S, UH, NOT MEANT TO BE, UM, UM, MONOLITHIC OR BORING IN THAT SENSE. 
          THERE'LL BE A LOT GOING ON WITHIN THE RETAIL SPACES AND ALL THE LANDSCAPING AND OTHER AREAS AROUND IT. 
          I, I KNOW THAT THE PROJECTS WERE CONCEPTUAL AND IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO 
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TELL SOMEBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT PERHAPS IT COULD DO SOMETHING THAT, THAT CREATES A RHYTHM THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, NOT JUST A, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS, RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT, BUT THAT, I MEAN, I MEAN, LIKE, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THESE THINGS THAT, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S, THERE THERE'S SOME RHYTHM CREATED LOOKING AT IT AT AN ANGLE INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING FLAT. 
          I MEAN, I I I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS TO SAY. 
          IT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S THE SS A C U BUILDING, I THINK THAT'S ON BROADWAY THAT THEY'VE DONE A REALLY SENSITIVE JOB IN, IN, IN TRYING TO CREATE AN ART OUT OF THE FACADE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT IS A BRICK FACADE. 
          RIGHT? SO I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT THAT'S THE EXAMPLE, BUT I KNOW IT'S FOR CONCEPTUAL. 
          BUT, UH, I MEAN, DO YOU, DO YOU, I MEAN, IS THERE TIME TO, TO, TO DIVE DEEPER? BY ALL MEANS, DIVE DEEPER INTO THE KIND OF CRAFTSMANSHIP OF THE BRICK MASONRY AND THE WAY, YOU KNOW, CORING THE BRICK, SETTING BACK THE BRICK DETAILING THE CORNERS OF THE BRICK. 
          SO IT'S NOT A SEVERE SHAPE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, HAS LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY FOR LITTLE SHADOW AND RELIEF AND CHARACTER THAT'S, YOU SEE THAT IN A LOT OF, UH, KIND OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND TO SORT OF COMPLIMENT THAT AND SORT OF DERIVE SOME INSPIRATION FROM THAT IS VERY MUCH WHAT, WHERE THE, THE NEXT STEPS GO. 
          I THINK SO. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? SO COMMISSIONER S UH, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR NUMBER ONE AND TWO WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT RETURNED TO A D R C BEFORE GOING BACK TO H D R C AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMEND STIPULATIONS AS WELL AS COMMENTS FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO? UM, SURE. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THE, THE PROJECT HAS UNDERGONE QUITE A BIT OF WORK IN THE SITES, UNDERGONE A LOT OF DESIGN CONSIDERATION. 
          I THINK, UH, WHERE THE APPLICANT IS NOW IS RELATIVELY GOOD. 
          IT ADDRESSED A NUMBER OF OUR CONCERNS FROM THE EARLIER DESIGN. 
          UM, AT THE SAME TIME WE HAD A D R C RECENTLY WITH THIS PROJECT, AND WE FELT THAT IT, I THINK IT WAS HELPFUL FOR ALL STAKEHOLDERS, THE APPLICANT AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS AS WELL. 
          AND I BELIEVE HAVING ANOTHER D R C TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS VERY COMPLICATED SITE AND INTERESTING PROJECT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? YES, I WAS AT THE, UH, THE LATEST D R C WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO AND, UH, WE DISCUSSED A LOT OF THE, THE DETAILS THAT STILL NEED TO BE DEVELOPED, UM, SUCH AS THE, THE ZONE BETWEEN THE RETAIL AREA AND THE APARTMENTS, UH, WHAT'S SHOWN HERE, UM, WHICH IS A PARKING LEVEL. 
          AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S, UH, SOME DETAIL WORK THAT HA IS GONNA HAPPEN THERE WITH, UH, POTENTIALLY SOME, UH, PERFORATED METAL SCREENS. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO TALKED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE EAST END OF THE RETAIL BUILDING, UH, D ONE, UH, HOW THAT, UH, DEFINITELY NEEDED SOME MORE STUDY IN TERMS OF MAKING IT MORE, UH, A LITTLE MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. 
          THERE'S, UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S A, UH, THE, THE FAR EAST END HAS A, A BLANK BRICK WALL, AND THEN THERE'S SOME STOREFRONT. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO A, A GARAGE DOOR ALONG THAT ELEVATION. 
          SO, UH, MAKING THIS, UH, STRUCTURE, UM, MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UH, WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE MADE AT THE D R C. 
          SO I THINK, UH, AS YOU DEVELOP THIS, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND COMING BACK BEFORE FINAL, I THINK I WOULD AGREE THAT COMING BACK TO A D R C TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE, UH, DETAILS AS THEY DEVELOP, CERTAINLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, 
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MR. CHAIR, THIS IS ONE THAT I DID PULL THAT I RECALL. 
          YES. 
          UM, THE REASON I PULLED IT IS, UM, BECAUSE I WANTED TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ONE. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          UH, WHEN APPLYING, UM, FOR THE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION, WHAT ARE, WHAT DOES THE ORDINANCE SAY ABOUT FREE AND CLEAR TITLES OR PROOF OF OWNERSHIP, OR HOW IS IT REQUIRED? HOW IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS ADDRESSED? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SITUATION BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS IS A CIVIL MATTER, BUT OH, P'S ROLE IN THIS, OR THE CITY'S ROLE IN THIS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT'S ADDRESSED. 
          SURE. 
          FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAM, THAT INFORMATION IS NOT PART OF OUR REVIEW. 
          UM, THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS REVIEWED FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION, WHICH IS THE FIRST PART OF THE TAX INCENTIVE, AND ESSENTIALLY JUST CERTIFIES THAT THIS SCOPE OF WORK, UH, IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE TAX INCENTIVE. 
          UM, THIS SCOPE OF WORK HAS ALREADY RECEIVED CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND IT'S LARGELY REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THIS PROJECT BEING THAT REPAIRS, AND, UH, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THE FILE HERE. 
          UM, IT'S MOSTLY REPAIRS. 
          UM, I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ACCC ACCEPT THE REQUEST AND STAFF'S FINDINGS ON THIS. 
          UH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE MAKE MOTION? YES, OF COURSE. 
          UM, I'M, I'M, UM, NOT NOT CLEAR ON THE, UM, THE NATURE OF THE BUILDING BEING OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          STAFF IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE, THAT CONTEXT EITHER. 
          BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR APPLICANT IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          UM, HARVEY CASTRO IS WITH US ONLINE. 
          MR. CASTRO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT? YES, UH, I WOULD. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, THE NEIGHBORING SHED THAT'S OVER THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT, UH, THE REQUEST FOR THIS TAX CERTIFICATE HAS TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S BEING DONE TO THE HOUSE AND THE REHABILITATION. 
          CAUSE ASSOCIATED TO THAT ARE, ARE, ARE THERE ANY, UM, AGREEMENTS OR EVEN VER VERBAL AGREEMENTS WITH RESPECT TO THE PROTECTION OF THE, OF THE GARAGE PENDING, UH, CLARIFICATION OR AGREEMENTS TO MOVE THE GARAGE? NO, SIR. 
          NO, SIR. 
          NO, NO AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE SO FAR. 
          UH, WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS ON THAT. 
          AND, AND IS THERE ANY, UH, PLAN SUBMITTED OR ANY REQUESTS FOR DEMOLITION? NO, NOT NOT FOR THE SHED. 
          UM, MI MR. CHAIR, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ASK THE, THE PERSON THAT MADE THE COMMENT TO COME UP? YES, YOU CAN ASK THAT. 
          I'D LIKE TO ASK THE, THE, THE LADY THAT SPOKE. 
          O ONE ONE OF YOU, ONE OF YOU. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, MR. CHAIR, WE KEEP WITHIN OUR PURVIEW OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED TODAY. 
          WHAT IS IT? YOU NEED IT FROM US? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I GUESS THE REASON THAT WE, UH, TAKE ISSUE WITH THIS BECAUSE WHEN IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADDRESS THIS SITUATION SO THAT IT WAS NEVER COME UP AGAIN. 
          AND THE FACT THAT, UM, THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS AND TALKING TO US, THAT IS NOT A TRUE STATEMENT. 
          THERE ARE SO MANY NON-FACTUAL STATEMENTS ON THAT, UH, SURVEY THAT THEY HAVE NOT ADDRESSED. 
          OKAY. 
          MI MISS THE, THE REASON WHY I CALLED YOU UP WAS JUST SO THAT YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT'S ON THE RECORD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, NOW PURSUE, OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THAT THE, THE APPLICANT AS WELL, YOU, YOU MADE THAT COMMENT AS WELL, THAT YOU, YOU, YOU WERE IN COMMUNICATION, WHETHER IT'S FACT OR NOT, LET'S MAKE IT A FACT BECAUSE THE RECORD WILL SHOW THAT IT IS OKAY. 
          AND, UH, FIGURE IT OUT. 
          OKAY? YEAH. 
          AND ONE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IT IS NOT A SHED, IT IS A GARAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I YIELDED BACK, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST TO NOTE THIS, THE APPLICATION IS FOR A HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION, WHICH MEANS IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR THE TAXES IF THE WORK IS DONE, UH, ACCORDING TO, UH, H C R C AND O H P GUIDELINES. 
          BUT THAT'LL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THE FINISHED, 
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UM, PHOTOS. 
          MR. MR. CHAIR. 
          BUT I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST MAY, MAYBE OVERTHINKING, BUT IT, IT WOULD SEEM THAT IF A PROPERTY WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THE WORD IS UNENCUMBERED OR IF THERE'S SOME, SOME QUESTION OF, OF LEGITIMACY OR LEGALITY THAT TAX CREDIT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT. 
          I, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? OH, YES. 
          IT SEEMS THE APPLICANT HAS HIS HAND RAISED, NOT PLACED. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, MR. CASTRO, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? NO, SORRY, I RAISED THE HAND BY ACCIDENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR. 
          I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER SAVINA. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO, UH, I GUESS REITERATE TO THE APPLICANT THAT, UM, ANY WORK OR ANY ACTION ON THE GARAGE WOULD HAVE TO COME UNDER SEPARATE COVER. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          NAY. 
          NAY. 
          MAZUA. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I JUST ENCOURAGE THE, UM, THE APPLICANT AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO GET TOGETHER AND, UM, RESOLVE THE, THE DISCREPANCIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. 
          THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE WITH US IN PERSON. 
          UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO. 
          HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS SIMON AZI AND A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF. 
          I'M AN ARCHITECT BY EDUCATION AND I'M A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER BY PROFESSION. 
          UH, I WORKED A LOT WITH H D R C ON SEVERAL PROJECTS LIKE, UH, THE CITY HALL AND JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL AND YOUNG WOMAN LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. 
          SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE CODE AND REGULATION, WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, ON OUR PROPERTY. 
          SO, UM, THIS PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS NOT, UM, YOU CAN PARK ON THE DRIVE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO IT'S, UH, WE HAVE TO HA ADD A DRIVEWAY ON THE BACK SO WE CAN PARK THE VEHICLE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, IT'S A SAFE HAZARD IF THEY WANT A BACKUP UP FOR THE FOUR PEDESTRIAN AND THE, UM, UH, DRIVING VEHICLES TO BACK UP ON THAT, UH, MULBERRY STREET. 
          UM, ALSO WITH GOING WITH NUMEROUS, UH, REVIEW WITH H D R C, UH, WE GOT TO A CONCLUSION. 
          SO PREVIOUSLY WE WERE, UH, SAYING TO DO A CONCRETE ON 18 FOOT WET CONCRETE, UH, ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AFTER GOING, UH, WITH, UH, H D R C ON A NUMEROUS REVIEW, WE GOT TO A CONCLUSION TO CUT THAT OFF THE BACKSIDE, WHICH WILL GIVE, UH, 25 FEET OF, UH, DRAINING THE WATER ON TOP OF THAT CONCRETE DRIVEWAY INTO OUR OWN LAND, WHICH IS THE, UH, PERMEABLE LAND. 
          IT'S, UH, GRASS. 
          SO 25 FEET OF THAT. 
          AND, UH, JUST WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS TO ADD THE DRIVEWAY TO THE POINT THAT WHEN THE CAR COMES, IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO TO ONTO THE, UH, CRASH GRANITE. 
          AND THEN ON A CONCRETE PATH. 
          UM, SOME OTHER THINGS I WANNA MENTION. 
          I LOOKED AT THE VIDEOS, UM, THE VIDEO WAS SHOWN ON, UH, WHAT'S THAT ROAD NAME? KINGS, UH, KINGS STREET. 
          UH, THAT IS A DRAINING WATER FROM THE STREET ON THE TOP, AS YOU CAN SEE, COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THIS ROAD AS THE VIDEO YOU WERE SEEING. 
          IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR PROPERTY AND A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, CONCRETE DRIVE THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING TO, UH, DO ON OUR BACK OF OUR PROPERTY. 
          UH, ALSO ALL THE ADDRESS I WAS SEEING, I'M, I REALLY RESPECT ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR CONCERNS FOR COMING OUT HERE AND MENTIONING THEIR CONCERNS. 
          BUT, UH, AS I WAS LOOKING AT THEIR ADDRESSES, ALL THESE NEIGHBORS ARE LIVING ON 
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THIS, UH, MULBERRY STREET ON THIS SIDE, OR EITHER ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE 4 32 MULBERRY STREET, WHICH IS OUR PROPERTY. 
          AND DRAINING OF THAT, UH, LITTLE PAD OF CONCRETE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD DRAINAGE THAT IS ISSUE IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, I MEAN, BASICALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, OUR DRIVEWAY, THAT CONCRETE PATH IS NOT GONNA BREAK OR FIX A DRAINAGE ISSUE IN THAT AREA. 
          THAT'S A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING I WANNA LOOK AT, THE GOOGLE MAP, IF WE GO BACK TO THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THOSE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, 4 0 8, I SEE. 
          I CAN'T SEE FROM THERE. 
          UH, PROPERTY ADDRESS 4 28, WHICH ONE OF THE NEIGHBOR WAS HERE? THE WHOLE BACKYARD IS A CONCRETE DRIVE. 
          FOUR 18 ALSO HAS A CONCRETE DRIVE ON A BACKYARD, UH, FOUR 14, SAME, 4 0 8. 
          SAME. 
          SO THIS IS NOT A NEW THING WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THAT AREA. 
          ALL THOSE HOUSES ON THE SAME LIGHT HAS CONCRETE DRIVES ON THEIR BACKYARD. 
          AND LOOKING AT OUR ORIGINAL, UH, DRAWING THAT WE SUBMIT, WE HAVE SE UH, SECURE FENCE ALL AROUND OUR PROPERTY. 
          SO NOTHING FROM OUR PROPERTY GONNA BE SEEN FROM THE STREET ON THESE DRIVES AS A HISTORICAL MATTER. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS BASICALLY WE BEND THROUGH. 
          WE DON'T WANNA HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC CAUSE ANY PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          WE DRIVING BACK FORTH INTO THE MULBERRY STREET. 
          WE WANNA HAVE A DRIVE SO THE CAR CAN GO TURN AROUND AND COME OUT. 
          UH, WE WORK WITH H H T R C TO MAKE IT, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR THAT DRIVE TO DRAIN INTO OUR OWN LAND. 
          AS I MENTIONED, 25 FEET OF IT. 
          AND FROM THE HISTORIC POINT OF VIEW, NOTHING WILL BE SEEN FROM ANY OF THE STREETS. 
          WE HAVE A FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY AND IT WILL BE IN OUR BACKYARD, BASICALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER WHO PULLED THIS? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I PULLED THIS, I, I I BELIEVE I REMEMBER THE CASE IN 2021. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THAT APPLICATION? YES. 
          YOU WERE. 
          DID THAT INVOLVE MEETING WITH, WITH THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WE, I SPOKE WITH THEM ON THE PHONE IN 20, UH, IN, UH, JANUARY 21, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PERMEABILITY AND WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS A CARPORT WITH A SLAB AND THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT WE, WE DIDN'T OBJECT TO THAT. 
          IT WASN'T A DRAMATIC TRANSFORMATION OF A REAR YARD CONDITION IN MONTE VISTA. 
          UH, AND WE APPROVED THAT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTS THAT. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS THAT NO LONGER VIABLE? WHY, UH, WHY IS THE IMPERVIOUS COVER THE CONCRETE EXPANDED AND WHAT IS THE STATUS AND THE DETAILS OF THE CARPORT? WELL, THE IMPERVIOUS MATERIALS IS STILL THERE. 
          WE ARE JUST EXTENDING THE CONCRETE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE LEFT SIDE. 
          SO THE DRIVE GONNA BE CONCRETE AFTER THOSE RIBBONS GONNA BE CONCRETE. 
          OTHERWISE THE WHOLE YARD ON THE BACK GONNA BE, SO BASICALLY THAT SAME THING THAT YOU SEE, UM, UH, IT'S GONNA STAY, THAT'S GONNA BE CONCRETE TO THE BACK. 
          AND COMING BACK HERE, THE IMPERIOUS MATERIAL ALL AROUND IS YARD AND GRASS, AND IT'S GONNA STAY THERE IN THIS DRAWING THAT WE APPROVED THE, THE DRIVE BEHIND THE GATE GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CARPORT. 
          AND WELL, THE HAMMERHEAD IS ILLUSTRATED IN CRUSHED GRANITE. 
          YES. 
          THAT PORTION GONNA BECOME CONCRETE. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING TO DO. 
          BUT AFTER THAT, WHERE IT'S DRAINING, WHICH IS THE CONCERN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT'S GONNA STAY IN PREVIOUS MATERIAL. 
          NO, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I MY QUESTION IS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CONCRETE AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WAS LIMITED TO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CARPORT. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          NOW THERE'S NO CARPORT. 
          IS THAT TRUE? THERE IS NO CARPORT, NO, NOW THERE'S NO CARPORT. 
          AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER HAS INCREASED A LOT FROM THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL? NOT A LOT. 
          IT'S JUST GOING BACK TO THE, IT'S, IT'S STILL, UH, LESS THAN 50% OF, UH, THE SITE. 
          AND, UH, ONCE WE UPDATED OUR PLAN AND TOOK OUT THAT PORTION, THE BACK PORTION, UM, THAT HASN'T DECREASED THE SQUARE FOOT, I FORGOT TO DECREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S GONNA BE DECREASED BECAUSE WE ARE SUGGESTING TO DO THAT WHOLE, UH, BACK PORTION, THE PLACE THAT THEY GO TURN 
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AROUND TO BE A CRUSH GRANITE. 
          SO IT IS, IT IS RARE THAT THIS COMMISSION APPROVES A CONVERSION OF A REAR YARD INTO SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OR LESS A LARGE CONCRETE PAD. 
          WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS IMAGE ON THE RIGHT, THIS IS AT LEAST, IT'S 20 FOOT 18 FOOT WIDE. 
          IF YOU TURN A CAR IN, YOU KNOW, LEFT TO RIGHT, EAST TO WEST, YOU, I MEAN, YOU CAN GET FOUR OR FIVE CARS. 
          UH, THAT IS 18 FOOT ON THE LATEST DRAWINGS. 
          THE, THIS IS NOT THE LATEST DRAWING. 
          ON THE LATEST DRAWING. 
          THE WIDTH IS 18 FOOT, WHICH WAS FROM THE ORIGINAL PLANT THAT WAS SUGGESTED TO BE 18 FOOT AS WELL. 
          SO THE DEPTHS OF IT IS 18 RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THE LENGTH OF IT THIS WAY IS 42. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, 40, 42 FEET WIDE FROM, UH, MORE OR LESS THE FULL WIDTH OF THE LOT MINUS THE SETBACKS. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, I, I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          I'LL GIVE SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS A CHANCE MAYBE IN ROUND TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAVE A KIND OF A PROCESS QUESTION FOR STAFF TO UNDERSTAND. 
          IS THIS A VIOLATION CASE? HAD, DID THERE PREVIOUS, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS EXPIRE IN THE WORK THAT'S BEEN CURRENTLY HALTED OUT THERE, EXECUTED WITHOUT US A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND A PERMIT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL WAS FROM THE H D R C APPROVAL IN 2021, UH, WHICH WAS THE FIRST SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. 
          UM, STAFF RECEIVED A REPORT THAT THERE WAS WORK TAKING PLACE AND CONTACTED THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO WAS COOPERATIVE. 
          UM, WE LATER FOUND OUT THAT THEY HAD MODIFIED THE PROPOSAL, UM, TO NOT MATCH THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, BUT HAD STARTED TO INSTALL FORM WORK FOR THE CONCRETE IN THE REAR. 
          UM, SO THE APPLICANT UPDATED THEIR SITE PLAN, SENT THAT TO US SO WE COULD REVIEW AND, UH, WE SCHEDULED THE REQUEST FOR H D R C. 
          BUT ALL OF THAT UPDATE OCCURRED AFTER THE FACT AFTER WORK WAS STARTED IN, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY HAVE CURRENTLY STOPPED WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXPERIENCING THE CONSTRUCTION FIELD WOULD SAY, HEY, IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN SCOPE YES. 
          OR SCHEDULE OR WHATEVER, YOU'VE GOTTA SAY, HEY, THERE'S A FLAG ON THE FIELD. 
          SO H D R C APPROVAL WAS THERE, SO WE WENT AHEAD AND GOT OUR CITY, UH, PERMIT, WHICH WE WERE ON A CITY PERMIT. 
          SO, UH, I WASN'T UNAWARE. 
          THE H D R C NEEDS TO BE REDONE AGAIN, UH, AFTER SO MANY YEARS. 
          SO WE HAD THE CITY PERMIT ON THE BUILDING AFTER WE GOT THE APPROPRIATENESS FROM H D R C. 
          BUT THAT HAD ALREADY EXPIRED, RIGHT? NOT THE CITY? NO, THE CITY IS NOT EXPIRED. 
          THE CARPORT, IT LIKELY HAD EXPIRED BY THAT POINT, I WOULD SAY YES. 
          AND, UM, ANY PERMITS THAT ARE POOLED ARE PUT ON A HISTORIC HOLD AND OUR OFFICE HAS TO APPROVE THOSE BEFORE THEY'RE RELEASED. 
          SO, UM, AS FAR AS WE'RE AWARE, THERE AREN'T ANY PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED FOR THIS CURRENT SCOPE OF WORK. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, MR. MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          SO MA'AM, UH, MY QUESTION IS A FOLLOW UP TO COMMISSIONER FISHES AND ALSO TO, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTERS. 
          UM, QUESTIONS TO YOU. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE ASKING ABOUT THE APPROVAL IN 2021, WHETHER YOU HAD THE DECOMPOSED, UM, CRUSH GRANITE AND THEN NOW EXPANDING TO THIS FULL CONCRETE PAD, UM, I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID WHEN IT MENTIONED THAT THE, THE VIDEO THAT WAS SHOWN, UM, WAS, UM, DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO OR WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY. 
          WHEN YOU'RE ADDING THIS MUCH CONCRETE AND, UM, THE WATER DOES START TO COME, DO YOU, DO YOU NOT FEEL THAT YOUR PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO ADD TO THAT SITUATION OR NO, JUST BECAUSE IT IS A STREET, JUST BECAUSE IT IS DRAINING RIGHT INTO THE, UH, PERMEABLE LAND, WHICH IS MY LAND STILL, IT WILL NOT ADD TO THE WHOLE STREET, UH, OVERFLOW THAT IS STREET OVERFLOW. 
          AS YOU SAW THE STREET COMING ALL THE WAY FROM THE TOP. 
          IT'S A WHOLE, UH, BASICALLY IT'S THAT DRAINAGE ISSUE IS BECAUSE OF THE LANDSCAPE AND NATURE AND, UM, WHATEVER FROM THE CITY THAT IT NEEDED TO HAVE LIKE A STORM DRAINAGE FOR THE APPROPRIATE STORM LINES FOR THAT, UH, ROAD WORK THAT COMING INTO THAT LAND, IT'S NOT GONNA, MY CONCRETE IS NOT GONNA AFFECT THAT DRAINAGE. 
          IT'S GONNA DRAIN INTO MY LAND 25 FEET OF IT, WHICH PER CODE IT IS ALLOWED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, THIS BEING A VIOLATION CASE, SO YOU STARTED THE WORK AND THEN I, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ONCE, UM, O H P CONTACTED YOU, YOU DID CEASE THE WORK, BUT, UM, 
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WITH THE, THE FORMS THAT I SEE HERE, UM, IS, IS ARE YOU AT THIS POINT NOW WHERE YOU FEEL AS THOUGH THIS IS THE ROUTE YOU'RE GOING AND YOU'RE NOT OPEN TO, UM, PUTTING MORE, UM, IMPERVIOUS IN THERE? IS THAT WHAT I'M SORRY, WITH MORE GRASS? WELL, WE, WE DID, WE CHANGED IT TO THE POINT THAT IT'S GONNA BE MORE IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL. 
          AS I SAID, WE HAD SOME, A COUPLE OF REVISION SESSION WITH WHEAT H D R C AND WE DECREASED IT TO BE 18 FOOT WIDTH. 
          UM, UH, AND IT'S GONNA BE MORE IMPERVIOUS TO GIVE THAT 25 FEET BEFORE IT FILLS INTO A NEXT PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          MR. MC GRUBE? YES. 
          UM, I WANNA ASK STAFF, SO STAFF HAS NOT REVIEWED THIS PLAN. 
          IT SAYS IT MEETS WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS PER YOUR STIPULATIONS STILL STAND, SO THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO THIS, UM, THIS UPDATED SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED ON JUNE 16TH BEFORE WE PUBLISHED THE AGENDA FOR THIS HEARING AND WE FOUND THAT IT MET STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, SO MY QUESTION IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, ON THE LEFT SIDE YOU HAVE 17.9 FEET, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAVE 22 POINT 10. 
          I MEAN, SO THERE'S REALLY NOT, THERE'S ONLY A LITTLE SECTION THAT'S REALLY 18. 
          IT'S MOSTLY 2218 0.4, RIGHT? THE CORRECT ONE ON THE UPDATED SITE PLAN. 
          IF YOU WANNA ZOOM IN ON WHAT I'M SEEING TO THE RIGHT. 
          SO I MEAN LIKE, I DON'T, IS THAT RIGHT THERE? ZOOM IN? YEAH, THAT'S THE UPDATED SLIDE FORM. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE OKAY. 
          I HADN'T SEEN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOW 18.54. 
          AND NOW MY OTHER QUESTION IS, CAN YOU ALSO, UH, EXPLAIN THE CURB, THE CONCRETE CURVE THAT'S GONNA BE IN THAT CRUSHED GRANITE? IT'S SIX SIX INCH STANDARD CONCRETE CARE FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. 
          WE NEVER INCLUDE THAT DETAIL. 
          IT'S JUST A SIX INCH STANDARD CONCRETE CARE. 
          SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          THE SIX INCHES WILL BE ABOVE THE LEVEL OF THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE, CORRECT? UH, NO. 
          SIX INCH CURB GONNA COMMENT AND THE, UH, GRANITE WILL BE FLUSHING WILL FLUSH WITH IT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          WOULD YOU CLARIFY HOW THE CITY REVIEWS PERMITS AND DRAINAGE OFF OF ONE PROPERTY ONTO ANOTHER? UH, WHAT THAT PROCEDURE IS FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK, THERE IS NO PERMIT REQUIREMENT. 
          FLAT WORK NO DEEPER THAN 12 INCHES. 
          THAT DOESN'T HAVE A STRUCTURAL COMPONENT, DOES NOT REQUIRE A CITY PERMIT. 
          SO THE C O A IS REALLY THE ONLY ISSUE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE ONE MORE FOLLOW UP. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I'M, YES SIR. 
          JUST COMPARING THE LATE, THE LATE SUBMISSION, UH, SITE PLAN TO THE NEW SITE PLAN. 
          AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE TREE THAT I DON'T SEE IN THE CURRENT PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          WAS THERE ALSO A TREE REMOVED? YES. 
          AND WHAT WAS THAT TREE? UH, IT WAS A OAK TREE. 
          ELK PECAN. 
          ELK PECAN. 
          PECAN, SORRY, I'M NOT THAT GOOD WITH RESOURCE. 
          IT WAS A OLD PECAN TREE. 
          IT WAS KIND. 
          SO IF YOU, THE NEIGHBOR PROPERTY HAS THEIR ROOF SOMEHOW INTO OUR PROPERTY. 
          I DUNNO HOW THAT WAS ALLOWED OR HOW THAT GOT APPROVED. 
          SO WE WANNA REMOVE THAT TREE BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF LIKE LEANING TOWARD HER HOUSE AND WE DIDN'T WANT ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          WELL, I MEAN, ORDINARILY THE TREE REMOVAL OF HIS PART OF THE APPLICATION THAT WAS IN THAT TREE WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY REMOVED FOR REMOVAL. 
          BUT IF THERE'S NOT AN APPLICATION, IT'S NOT IN THE, I ACTUALLY CONTACTED CD FOUR TREE REMOVAL AND THEY SAID YOU DON'T NEED TO PULL A PERMIT FOR THAT TREE TO BE REMOVED. 
          OH, THAT, THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          I MEAN, THE, IF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ADDRESSED THE TREE REMOVAL AND THAT WAS THE ITEM IN ENFORCED AND THAT TREE WASN'T APPROVED AS PART OF THE PACKAGE, THEN IT FALLS WITHIN THE PURVIEW, I BELIEVE. 
          BUT STAFF CAN CORRECT ME. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A GRAY AREA. 
          THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE DOES NOT APPLY TO EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES LIKE THIS. 
          AND SO YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THERE'S NO PERMIT TO REMOVE A TREE FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          NOW, NORMALLY WE WOULD SAY THAT THE C UH, THAT THE H C R C DOES HAVE PURVIEW OVER TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED FOR SOMETHING LIKE AN ADDITION OR NEW CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT OF A SITE. 
          UM, BUT NOT IN THE TERMS OF KIND OF LIKE TREE MITIGATION NORMALLY REQUIRED IN THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, FOR, FOR THE OWNER STATING THAT THEY WANNA REMOVE IT BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S LEANING TOWARDS THE HOUSE, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE PURVIEW. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
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UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION MR. CHAIRMAN? I WOULD MOVE THIS TO A A D R C SITE VISIT. 
          POSSIBLE YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SEND A D R C SITE VISIT. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHY I'M NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING, UM, AS REQUESTED TODAY AND RECOMMENDED BY STAFF FIRST OF THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE, PARTICULARLY WITH NO STRUCTURE, LIKE A CARPORT REALLY IS TURNING HALF OF THIS BACKYARD INTO A CONCRETE PARKING PAD, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS COMPLIANT WITH THE GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. 
          UH, THAT SAID, I THINK A SITE VISIT COULD GO A LONG WAY WITH THE, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONER'S CONCERN, AT LEAST WITH MY CONCERNS AND MAYBE FINDING A SOLUTION OR A BETTER SOLUTION, UM, ON HOW TO DEAL WITH, WITH THOSE EDGES. 
          AND I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY GET THAT SCHEDULED IF STAFF COULD TELL ME PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          COULD THAT BE NEXT WEEK? MOST LIKELY WE'LL HAVE A D R C NEXT WEEK. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S, UH, SOME OF MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, JUST A, A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE'S SYSTEMIC INADEQUACIES WITH THE DRAINAGE IN THIS AREA AND THAT THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE THAT YOU'RE INTRODUCING IS NOT GONNA HAVE A HUGE EFFECT. 
          BUT I THINK THE, THE COMMENT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER FISHES TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON THE CHARACTER OF THAT BACKYARD AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, IT STILL FALLS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THAT, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THAT CHARACTER. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK THERE'S THE REAL ISSUE. 
          BUT STEPPING BACK FROM THAT ALSO, AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND AS SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOSTER GOODWILL WITHIN YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK YOU DON'T WANNA CONTRIBUTE TO AN ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, BAD SITUATION BY DISREGARDING THEIR CONCERNS. 
          NO, BY ANY MEANS, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          BUT IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT TIME CONCERN HERE TOO. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M, UH, TRYING TO FINISH THIS PROJECT LIKE I, UH, BEFORE I GO FOR DELIVERY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, UM, I JUST WANTED TO, I FULLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND GET THAT SCHEDULED PROBABLY FOR NEXT WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER SAVINO AND YES', MA'AM. 
          HOLD THIS ONE. 
          UM, LAST WEEK WE HAD A A D R C, UH, TO REVIEW, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS H D R C HEARING. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY WANTED TO EXPLORE WHERE OTHER OPTIONS TO THE TURRET, OTHER WAYS THAT THAT TURRET OR, UH, A ROOF TO THE TURRET COULD BE CONSIDERED THAT WOULD NOT, UH, IMPINGE SO MUCH ON THE HISTORIC FACADES, NOR WOULD THEY DAMAGE THE EXISTING HISTORIC FEATURES, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. 
          SO, UM, UH, I GUESS WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED AND, UM, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M, I'M STILL HAVE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADDED EXTRA FLOOR AND THE EXTRA HEIGHT AS A TURRET THAT PROBABLY NEVER AL NEVER EXISTED PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ON THIS MR. CHAIR. 
          I ALSO WANT TO, UM, COMPLETELY AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          I THINK, UH, HER EYE IS CORRECT THAT IT, IT DOES APPEAR TO BE THE CORRECT, UH, SOLUTION OR, OR HISTORIC. 
          UM, SO I I, I, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANTS HERE TODAY? YES. 
          UH, ELSA BROWN AND EUGENE WALKER ARE HERE IN PERSON. 
          IF YOU ALL CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELVES INTO THE RECORD FOR ME. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I AM EUGENE WALKER. 
          I AM THE, UM, I RESIDE AT 1614 NORTH PINE, WHICH IS 
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RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, WHICH IS A, A HOME THAT WE ACTUALLY RENOVATED. 
          IT'S A SMALLER HOME, BUT THIS IS OUR DREAM HOME AT SEVEN 19 CARSON. 
          UH, IT IS OUR EXPECTATION TO, AT LEAST FOR ME, I'M A LITTLE CLOSER THAN SHE IS, UH, FOR THIS TO BE OUR RETIREMENT HOME. 
          SO WE CONVERTED, UH, WHAT WAS A MULTI-FAMILY, UH, MESS, IF YOU WILL, UH, BACK INTO WHAT WE DEEM IT TO BE, MORE OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT. 
          SO IT IS OUR INTENTION AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN FROM DAY ONE, UH, TO, TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE BEAUTY THAT IT WAS. 
          UM, THE ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY IS THAT WE'VE NEVER INTENDED TO TRY TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT. 
          SO WHAT WE INTENDED TO DO HERE WAS TO FOLLOW THE STRUCTURAL FRAMEWORK THAT EXISTED. 
          NOW WE DID, UM, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE MR. HALL COME OUT AND HE WALKED IT AND LOOKED AT IT. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, HE WAS VERY COMPLIMENTARY IN OUR WORK AND ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED OTHER, UH, OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT, AT IT FROM HIS STAFF. 
          UM, BUT ALSO REQUESTED, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT RESEMBLE WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN THERE, BECAUSE IT IS APPARENT THAT SOMETHING WAS THERE THAT APPEARED TO BE A, A A A TART, UM, BUT NOBODY WAS ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, THE, THE ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN IN TERMS OF ITS CONSTRUCTION IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, UH, WAS NOT A, A DELIBERATE EFFORT ON OUR PART TO BE DEFIANT. 
          IT WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF MY MOTHER PASSING AND HER MOTHER PASSING. 
          THREE WEEKS LATER, WE TOUCHED DOWN IN SAN ANTONIO AND LITERALLY HAD TO GET ON A PLANE AND GO BACK OUT, AND OUR CARPENTERS GOT OUT IN FRONT OF US. 
          SO IT WAS OUR INTENTION ALL ALONG TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF, UH, OF YOU, YOU GUYS, UH, THE D R C IN PARTICULAR FOR, FOR A REVIEW. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE ARE WHAT WE ARE AND IT IS OUR INTENTION TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS, NOT TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN THAT, THAT NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, ILLUSTRATE WHAT WAS THERE OR NOR TELL US THAT WHAT WE HAVE CONSTRUCTED, WHAT CONSTRUCTED WAS NOT THERE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, I AM ELSA BROWN, AND I ALSO RESIDE AT 1614 NORTH PINE, JUST AROUND THE CORNER. 
          AND, UH, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A PRESENT BY EUGENE TO US AS A PLACE THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY RETIRE INTO. 
          SO IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK FOR US TO NOT ONLY GET TO THIS POINT, BUT IT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR US TO COLLECT THE FUNDS NECESSARY, NOR DID WE EVER DREAM ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY VERSUS WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA SPEND. 
          AND SO THIS IS WHERE WE ARE, AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          SO FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, IS THIS A REBUILD OR AN ADDITION? THIS IS AN ADDITION. 
          OKAY. 
          I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REBUILD SOMETHING, WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS AS AN ADDITION. 
          CAN I JUST ALSO ASK, ARE YOU OKAY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES, MA'AM. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US, BEFORE, I SORT OF REMEMBER A PHOTO OF A PORTION OF THE CHIMNEY STICKING ABOVE THE ROOF. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THAT THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, WERE TRYING TO TRACE BACK IN TERMS OF ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPHY. 
          WE, WE DID NOW, UNDER THE D R C REVIEW, UH, WAS ABLE TO FIND A PHOTO AND IT WAS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WERE THINKING ROUGHLY ABOUT SIX, SEVEN COURSES HIGH. 
          UH, I ACTUALLY, AS A RESULT OF THAT, UM, UH, STATED THAT I WOULD TAKE THAT A STEP FURTHER AND MAKE IT DECORATIVE AS IT RELATES TO THE ONES IN THE REAR. 
          SO, UH, IT COLLAPSED AMONGST UPON ITSELF AND WE WERE ABLE TO SALVAGE SOME OF THOSE BRICKS, BUT IT WAS NEVER ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO WHAT WAS IN THE BACK, JUST ON A BRICK COUNT. 
          OKAY. 
          I ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          UH, CHAIR FETZER. 
          UM, WE FOUND THIS SLIDE FROM A MAY, 1995 SURVEY OF THE HOUSE THAT SHOWS THE, UM, HISTORIC CONDITION OF THE CHIMNEY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE FIRST TIME WE EVER SEE THAT, WE'LL SEE PART. 
          SO IN TERMS, ONE MORE QUESTION IN TERMS OF WHAT IS CONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, IS THERE STILL THE SPACE AND, UM, AVAILABILITY TO CONSTRUCT THAT SHORTENED, UH, CHIMNEY ON TOP OF THE ROOF? IT, IT IS, IF WE TAKE IT UPWARDS OF 10 TO 12 COURSES HIGH AND IN THE, IN THE DETAIL OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE, WE NEVER SAW THAT WHEN I PURCHASED IT, IT WAS ROUGHLY SIX COURSES HIGH. 
          OKAY. 
          I NEVER, NEVER SAW THAT. 
          ALSO, WE, WE, UH, WE HAD TO DO A LOT OF FOUNDATION REPAIRS TO THIS HOUSE. 
          IT WAS ON TREE TRUNKS AND BLOCKS AND ALL. 
          AND WHEN THE HOUSE WAS LIFTED, WHICH WAS ANYWHERE 
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FROM 12 TO 18 INCHES TO FIX THE HOUSE, THE CHINEY SUFFERED TREMENDOUSLY. 
          AND WE, WE HAD TO SUPPORT IT TO MAKE IT WORK. 
          THE CHINEY ALSO AT THE TOP GOES THROUGH THE EAVE AND REDUCES FROM ABOUT 65 INCHES TO ABOUT 30 INCHES. 
          SO IT'S A VERY SLIM CHINEY, SEE HOW IT GOES THROUGH THE ROOF. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE BOUGHT IT, HOW YOU SEE IT THERE. 
          AND WE'VE OWNED IT SINCE 2008 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          YES. 
          SO I, I WAS AT THAT D R C MEETING ALSO, AND I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          THERE'S NO CLEAR EVIDENCE OF WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. 
          THE ONLY THINGS THAT I SEE ARE THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, SUGGESTIONS, THE FIREPLACE BEING ONE OF THEM, AND THAT EYELET WINDOW. 
          BOTH OF THOSE SEEM TO BE CROWDED OUT BY THE THIRD STORY TURRET EDITION. 
          AND I WOULDN'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD DO, I WOULD THINK THAT PERHAPS AN ELABORATE, UM, WITCHES HAT TURRET COVER, YOU KNOW, TYPE COVER WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT INTRUDE ON THAT EYELID AND WOULD NOT INTRUDE ON THE FIREPLACE. 
          UH, ON THE CHIMNEY, THERE ARE PICTURES THAT WE SAW OF THE OTHER TWO CHIMNEYS IN THE BACK. 
          I THINK THE ONE IN FRONT, BECAUSE OF THE DETAIL WORK ON THE ACTUAL, UH, FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS OF THE EXPOSED CHIMNEY WOULD TELL US THAT THERE, THAT'S ALSO A PROMINENT CHIMNEY BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT I CAN SEE THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT THERE WAS NOT A THIRD FLOOR TO THAT TURRET. 
          IT WOULD JUST HAVE A, UM, A POINTED ROOF TO ME. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, I, I, UH, I WANT TO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER ZUKA. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE AS TO WHETHER, YOU KNOW, CARPENTER WENT AHEAD AND IF THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT I THINK THAT ANYBODY HERE IS LIKE, UH, PUTTING FORTH, BUT UM, THERE, THERE'S AN ODDNESS TO THE THIRD FLOOR THAT IT REALLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT MAYBE WAS MAYBE A LITTLE HIGHER, OR MAYBE IT WAS A CLEAR STORY OR THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE TYPE OF A, OF A ROOF THAT MAYBE AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? STILL HAS TROUBLE. 
          JUST FLATTEN IT AND YOU GOT THE LITTLE BITTY ROOF THAT'S THERE. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT I MEAN, IN THE END, WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THE ENTIRE PROJECT, I MEAN, YOU COULD END UP WITH A REALLY NICELY DONE PROJECT THAT HAS THIS ANOMALY THAT ANYBODY THAT, THAT HAS A VISUAL CUE TO WHAT'S RIGHT AND WRONG, WE'LL LOOK AT IT AND THEY'LL SEE THAT IT'S WRONG. 
          SO IN THE END, I, I THINK WHAT YOU WANT IS, IS YOU KNOW, THAT THAT BIT OF GUIDANCE TO TAKE YOU TO THAT POINT E EVEN IF IT MEANS THE DISASSEMBLY OF, OF A PARTICULAR PIECE, UM, THAT MIGHT SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T SEE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT, THAT EXTRA FLOOR IS THERE. 
          IT'S A VERY HARD THING TO TELL SOMEBODY, LOOK, YOU JUST DID SOMETHING AND YOU PROBABLY PROBABLY SHOULD KNOCK IT DOWN THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I I I I FEEL FOR, FOR THAT, RIGHT? BUT, UM, IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT WENT, IT WENT, UH, IT GOT CREATIVE BEYOND A, UM, A POINT OF SOMEONE SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS THING THAT DIDN'T EXIST. 
          NOW LET'S DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SEE WHAT, WHAT THEY, WHAT WHAT'S BEEN DONE IS JUST ANOTHER LEVEL AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE CARE OF THE REST OF THE HOUSE. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I, I DO. 
          AND I RE I RESPECT THAT, THAT STATEMENT. 
          UH, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE SUBSEQUENT TO THESE MEETINGS, ALSO TALKED TO OTHER DESIGN PROFESSIONALS. 
          AND, AND, AND A COUPLE OTHERS ACTUALLY INDICATED THAT POSSIBLY IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE OF A, A WITCH HAT, HAT TYPE OF A ROOF, WHICH AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE RECEPTIVE TO EXPLORING THAT ALSO, AS OPPOSED TO TEARING SOMETHING DOWN IN PARTICULAR WHEN WE, WHEN WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE FULL, THE FULL RESOURCES AT OUR DISPOSAL TO BE ABLE TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE, THIS DIDN'T EXIST. 
          I UNDERSTAND WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITION, BUT TO WHAT EXTENT, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SKIRT, SOMETHING WAS THERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STRUCTURAL MEMBERS INSIDE, LIKE, WE DID SOMETHING. 
          WAS THERE, OKAY, WHAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH IS WHAT WAS THAT, UH, WHAT WAS THAT? AND, UH, IT, IT'S COMING DOWN TO SUBJECTIVITY. 
          AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU ALL, UH, AND I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL WORK WITH US BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, UH, WE ARE ALSO, UM, BEING SUBJECTED TO A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN AND BUILD IT 
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BACK. 
          WE'VE PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS, AND THIS IS OUR MONEY EVENT HOLDINGS IS EUGENE WALKER, ME PERSONALLY. 
          UH, SO TO CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH OF, OF THIS AND, AND, AND SUBSEQUENT TO US BEING A PART OF THESE MEETINGS, ALSO, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN VANDALIZED TWICE OF ALL THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE TO THIS POINT. 
          AND, UM, IT'S JUST GETTING REALLY PAINFUL AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS ZAINO HAS HER HAND UP. 
          WE, IF I MAY ALSO SAY THE OTHER THING THAT WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS AND, AND HOW FINANCIAL BURDEN IT IS, WE ALSO WEREN'T COUNTING THAT 300 APARTMENTS WERE GONNA BE BUILT RIGHT NEXT DOOR. 
          SO NOW WE ARE INTO A PROJECT THAT, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T COUNTING THAT THEY WERE GONNA BUILD FOUR CONDOS AROUND ME AND 300 APARTMENTS. 
          I AM, I AM TELLING MY HUSBAND, YOU, YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER THE OFFICIAL YOUR ORIGINAL THING THAT WAS TOLD TO US THAT THIS HOUSE WAS CONDEMNED ENOUGH TO TAKE IT DOWN AND BUILD CONDOS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING. 
          I MEAN, DO WE WANNA LIVE AROUND 300 PEOPLE NEXT TO US? YOU KNOW, AND I, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, OKAY. 
          BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE GONNA BE SIX, $700,000 FIXING THIS HOUSE, WHICH WE ARE, AND WE BORROW HALF OF THAT MONEY ALREADY. 
          BUT WHEN DOES IT COME TO A POINT IN WHICH WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SATISFY HERE THAT THE NEIGHBORS CAN LOOK AT, BUT THEY CANNOT BE MOVED FORWARD WHEN YOU HAVE 300 APARTMENTS THAT WERE BUILT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US, WHO ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA LOOK AT THIS FIREPLACE IS NOW 300 RENTAL APARTMENTS NEXT TO US, WHICH IS THE BEST VIEW OF THE FIREPLACE RIGHT NOW. 
          THE 300 APARTMENTS RIGHT ACROSS FROM FORT SAM HOUSTON, RIGHT ACROSS FROM FORT SAM. 
          THE BEST VIEW INTO OUR BACKYARD AND TO THE FIREPLACE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE APARTMENTS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS THEY PROPOSED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          YOU CAN'T SEE THE EYEBROW FROM STREET LEVEL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS A PROPOSED TWO OR THREE STORY APARTMENT, WHICH WILL HAVE THE BEST VIEW OF THAT EYEBROW. 
          AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, TO SWALLOW, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ANTICIPATED EITHER, BUT WE HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BRING THIS HOUSE BACK TO AS CLOSE TO ORIGINALITY AS AS WE CAN POSSIBLY DO. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR POSITION. 
          WE HAVEN'T MOVED OFF THAT, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE REALLY WANNA, WANT TO WANNA WORK WITH YOU GUYS AND HOPEFULLY YOU ALL WILL WORK WITH US. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UH, THANK YOU CHAIR, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, UH, JUST SPEAKING BRIEFLY TO YOUR, UH, MR. BROWN AND MR. WALKER, YOUR BUSINESS PLAN, I THINK, UH, YOU MENTIONED, UM, WHAT IS, HOW THE AREA IS CHANGING AND THE ASSET OF VIEW FROM YOUR PROPERTY. 
          AND I WOULD SAY IT'S VERY COMPELLING CONVERSATION TO HAVE ABOUT HOW THIS HOUSE CAN PLAY A ROLE IN THAT VALUABLE HOUSING STOCK OVER THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU MAY HAVE SPACE ON THE BACK TO DO THE OBSERVATION, UH, SKY VIEW. 
          BUT ANYWAY, WHAT I DID WANNA ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY IS WHEN YOU CONSTRUCTED THE ROOF TO THE THIRD FLOOR TURRET, ARE THE ANGLES ON THAT ROOF IDENTICAL OR SIMILAR TO THE ANGLE ON THE ROOF PORTION BELOW IT? WE, WE MATCHED THE ROOF BELOW AND EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE HOUSE IS A 1212 PITCH. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE THAT PITCH. 
          WE, WE DIDN'T JUST PULL THAT OUTTA SKY. 
          WE WENT WITH WHAT WAS A KNOWN, UH, A KNOWN, UH, FACTOR. 
          AND WE, WE BUILT ACCORDINGLY. 
          BUT AGAIN, BASED ON RECENT CONVERSATIONS, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A STEEPER PITCH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, I'D LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION, UH, PERHAPS, I KNOW THERE'S KIND OF MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THIS. 
          I JUST DO ONE QUESTION, UH, ONE QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER AND, AND IT JUST MAY LEAD TO THE MOTION, BUT ARE YOU WILLING TO MAKE IT, UH, TO MASUKA COMMISSIONER, MASUKA COMMISSIONER MASA'S COMMENT, ARE YOU WILLING TO MAKE IT SMALLER SO THAT THE EYELID CAN BE MORE VISIBLE AND THE CHIMNEY CAN COME BACK WITHOUT INTRUDING, LIKE IT VISUALLY IS INTRUDING THE EYELID AND YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO RECONSTRUCT THAT CHIMNEY COMPLETELY? WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU OPEN TO THOUSAND SINCE YOU ARE GONNA CHANGE THE WINDOW WIDTH? THE WINDOW, THE WINDOW WIDTH DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CHANGED. 
          THEY MATCH BELOW. 
          WHAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT IS THE ROUGH OPENING. 
          THEY, THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BELOW. 
          WE MATCHED EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE SOCKET DETAILS. 
          EVERYTHING IS MATCHING WHAT'S BELOW. 
          OKAY. 
          IT SAYS THE PHOTO IS HARD TO TAKE IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY LOOK 'CAUSE OF THE ANGLE ANGLE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING UP. 
          SO YOU'RE ALWAYS TAKING A PHOTO DISTORTED FROM THE BOTTOM WITHOUT, WE TRIED TO GET ON THE SCAFFOLD, BUT IT'S NOT SAFE ENOUGH TO TAKE A PICTURE. 
          SO, SO THE VIEW OUTSIDE FROM THE ATTIC SPACE AS IT RELATES TO THAT EYEBROW, IT DOESN'T CHANGE. 
          YOU CAN STILL SEE DIRECTLY OUT, SO IT LOOKS DISTORTED FROM THE PICTURE HERE, BUT, UH, YOU CAN STILL 
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SEE, UH, SEE THE EYEBROW. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, WHILE I SHARE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED HERE, I KIND OF AGREE WITH STAFF ON THE TREATMENT OF THIS AS AN ADDITION. 
          AND I THINK IN ANY CASE, IF THERE'S KIND OF MIXED FEELINGS ON THIS, A MOTION IN THE AFFIRMATIVE MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY FORWARD. 
          SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST ADD, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT PERSPECTIVE AND, UH, THIS ISN'T A HISTORIC RECREATION OF SOMETHING THAT WAS, THAT WAS KNOWN. 
          THIS IS A NEW ADDITION. 
          UH, I DO SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT CROWDING PROPORTIONALITY, BUT IN WHOLE, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, MR. CHAIR? YEAH, AND I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I WAS, I MEAN, IT'S DIFFICULT 'CAUSE WE KEEP GOING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, WE TRYING TO REBUILD OR ARE WE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE EYELID AND THE CHIMNEY. 
          UM, BUT I DO AGREE, I THINK WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN WHAT'S OUR PURVIEW HERE AND HOW IT'S BEING, UM, WHAT, WHAT IS BEING IN FRONT OF US APPLIED FOR BY THE APPLICANTS. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, I'M GONNA SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH'S, UM, MOTION. 
          BUT, UH, BUT I WANNA BE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT THIRD FLOOR MAKES YOUR HOUSE LOOK ACCURATE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT MAKES IT LOOK HISTORIC. 
          IT, YOU, YOU ALMOST CAN TELL BY DEFAULT THAT THE WITCH HAT, IF IT'S A WITCH HAT, BECAUSE IT COULD BE OTHER SHAPES THAT IT BEGINS BELOW THAT ISLET AND THAT IT PASSES THAT ISLET AND THAT THERE'S A REALLY NICE LITTLE DELICATE DETAIL THAT, THAT THAT LITTLE WINDOW DOES AS THIS OTHER ROOF GOES UP SO THAT IT SITS QUITE SOMETHING BELOW THE MAIN ROOF. 
          AND IT'S PROBABLY REALLY BEAUTIFUL, PROBABLY PRECIOUS AND, YOU KNOW, DECONSTRUCTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I KNOW YOU PAID TO DO IT, BUT ONCE, ONCE YOU UNDO IT, WELL YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY, YOU'RE NOT REALLY ADDING MUCH. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY TAKING IT BACK. 
          YOU'RE PEELING BACK, RIGHT? SO I, I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, WANT THE BEST FOR YOU WANT THE BEST FOR YOUR HOUSE, BUT, BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK LIKE A HOUSE, NOT LIKE A PERSON. 
          YOU HAVE TO SAY, WELL, WHAT DOES THE HOUSE WANT? RIGHT? ARE YOU HURTING, ARE YOU HURTING THE HOUSE'S FEELINGS? RIGHT? MOST PEOPLE DON'T THINK HOUSES HAVE FEELINGS, BUT IT'S YOUR HOUSE. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE EMPOWERED TO, TO HAVE ENOUGH, UH, QUESTION AND, AND WE SHOULD BE TOLERANT ENOUGH TO ENABLE YOUR DREAMS TO COME TRUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, THANK YOU AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I, I HAVE JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          'CAUSE I, I DO FIND THIS TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT CASE TO, UH, TO, TO MAKE A DECISION ON BECAUSE I, THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S COMPELLING ARGUMENTS, BUT ONE THAT I, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IS, IS THE ONE THAT, OH, WE'LL CONSIDER THIS AS AN ADDITION AND THEREFORE THAT SOMEHOW CHANGES THE, THE APPROACH OF OUR THINKING ON IT. 
          UH, 'CAUSE WITH ADDITIONS, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO EVALUATE HOW DO THEY IMPACT THE AUTHENTIC HISTORIC ELEMENTS OF A BUILDING? UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY'RE TOO REPLICATIVE OR IF THEY, THEY, THEY CREATE A LOT OF DAMAGE. 
          AND, AND I THINK THIS IS, UM, A, A WELL-INTENTIONED, YOU KNOW, AUGMENTATION, BUT IT HAS CREATED A VERY CROWDED COMPOSITION. 
          AND I THINK THE, THAT'S, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. 
          BUT STEPPING BACK FROM THAT, I HAVE WATCHED THIS PROPERTY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS A REALLY SIGNIFICANT PIECE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS DELIGHTED TO SEE THAT YOU ALL HAVE TAKEN IT ON. 
          IT'S QUITE A CHALLENGE. 
          AND IN, IN THE GREAT SCHEME OF THINGS, I THINK YOU'RE DOING MORE GOOD THAN DAMAGE BY COMING IN AND REHABILITATING THIS BUILDING. 
          AND MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT PASSES OUTTA YOUR OWNERSHIP AND SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO, UH, TAKE IT MORE TO A MORE FATEFUL, UH, RESTORATION OF WHAT WAS THERE. 
          UM, THEY CAN DO THAT. 
          THEY CAN DISASSEMBLE IT. 
          BUT I THINK ON, ON, ON TOTAL, WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE, UM, WITH THE COMPLETE PROPERTY IS WHAT I'M EVALUATING AS WELL. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S, IS, UH, IS ADMIRABLE AND I WOULD, UH, WOULD NOT WANT TO, UM, SLOW DOWN THE MO YOU KNOW, THE MOMENTUM THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS. 
          UM, AND I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT THE, WELL, LET'S JUST PULL THE HAND GRENADE PIN AND, AND BLOW IT DOWN, RIGHT? I, I THINK THIS IS TOO SIGNIFICANT A, A PROPERTY AND 
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I, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOUR YOU TO REMAIN RESOLUTE IN YOUR COMMITMENT TO IT. 
          AND, AND AS A RESULT, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I, I COMMENT ARE NOT LONG, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT, UM, VICE CHAIR CARPENTER SAID, BECAUSE I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THIS. 
          UM, EVEN WHEN HIS, BEFORE HIS LAST AND, UM, I THINK THAT HE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WHERE HE SAID THAT, UM, YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE GOOD THAN HARM, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN, KIND OF DIFFICULT TO ASCERTAIN WHAT WAS ACTUALLY THERE. 
          AND I THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU WERE DOING ANYTHING MALICIOUS. 
          YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WASN'T THERE. 
          I THINK THAT'S JUST WHAT YOU HONESTLY THINK WAS THERE. 
          AND WE CAN'T SHOW OR PROVE WHAT WAS OR WHAT WASN'T. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EYEBROW BEING, YOU KNOW, OBSTRUCTIVE AND SAYING THAT FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW IS NOT, AND THINGS OF NATURE. 
          UM, I, OVERALL, I THINK THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING GREAT WITH THIS PROPERTY AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND, UM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU BELIEVE WAS RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROPERTY. 
          AND, UM, THAT OF COURSE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I WOULD ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? OH, COMMISSIONER MR. CHAIR. 
          OH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER. 
          I HAVE MY HAND UP. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WELL, I'VE TRIED PROCESSING THIS THROUGH BOTH THE RECONSTRUCTION FILTER AS WELL AS THE ADDITION FILTER, AND, UM, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE WHAT IS THERE TO WHAT ONE WOULD EXPECT OR EVEN WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY. 
          SO I, GOING TO SOME OF THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, I, I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AND COMMITMENT. 
          AND ONCE IT IS ACTIVATED, UH, IT'LL BE BEAUTIFUL AND IT'LL BE AMAZING. 
          I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S IN A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S ON AN INTERSECTION, SO IT'S HIGHLY VISIBLE. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT CAUSES ME TO AGREE WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT SAY THAT ADDITIONS TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ARE INAPPROPRIATE. 
          SO THIS IS A PERFECT CASE OF THAT. 
          UM, AND TO COMMISSIONER SABINA, WE'VE LOST YOUR AUDIO. 
          CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO YOUR MIC? I AM HERE. 
          YOU CAN, HOW CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE I DROPPED OFF, BUT I WANNA SAY THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE VISIBILITY AND THE LOT AND THE SIDING IS SO IMPORTANT AND WHERE THE GUIDELINES ARE CORRECT IN THIS CASE, THAT ADDITIONS TO THE FRONT ARE INAPPROPRIATE. 
          NOW, THAT SAID, MY QUESTION ABOUT THE ROOF, UM, TELLS ME THAT I THINK THAT THE ROOF AS BUILT NOW ON THE ADDITION WITH THE SAME ANGLES COULD BE REUSED AND PUT DOWN ON THE ORIGINAL ROOF AREA. 
          MAYBE IT WASN'T FLAT, MAYBE IT WASN'T TALL PEAK, BUT A LOW SLOPE, COMPLETE ROOF ON TOP OF THE EXISTING SECOND FLOOR TURRET WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE. 
          IT WOULD AVOID THE HISTORIC EYEBROW WINDOW. 
          IT WOULD AVOID THE CHIMNEY AND ALLOW THE CHIMNEY TO BE REINSTATED. 
          CHIMNEY IS SUCH, CREATE SUCH GREAT BALANCE WITH THE OTHER ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AS WE SEE ON THAT SLIDE, THAT IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO, UM, DRASTICALLY CHANGE THAT JUST BECAUSE, AND ALTER THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE IT, IT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT THE TERM IT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT. 
          I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS. 
          IT'S NOT TEAR IT ALL DOWN, IT'S NOT TO KEEP IT, I THINK THERE'S OTHER SOLUTIONS AND THAT'S WHY I REQUESTED THE D R C TO SEE HOW THAT ROOF AT THE SECOND FLOOR COULD BE RESOLVED. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, BEING ON THE CORNER, IT'S HIGHLY VISIBLE AND, UM, I JUST THINK, UH, BEING VIEWED FROM TWO RIGHT OF WAYS IS INAPPROPRIATE AS IT IS NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          NAYYY. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MAZUA AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER NAY. 
          MOTION. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE'LL MAKE YOU ALL PROUD OF THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ITEM 
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14 ON THE AGENDA. 
          1931 NORTH IH 35. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED IT BE MOVED TO THE END OF THE AGENDA. 
          UM, HE GOT HELD UP. 
          UM, HE DOES THINK HE CAN ATTEND IF WE MOVE IT TO THE END. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
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AGENDA ITEM 15. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS, UH, H D E R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 DASH 6 1 9 1 16 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 
          THE REQUEST IS, UH, FOR THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          UH, REQUESTED A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT ONE 16 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND DIRECTION TO PRO PROCESS A REQUEST ON BEHALF OF THE H D R C TO CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE DESIGNATION OF ONE 16 EAST DEWEY PLACE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H. 
          I HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION FOR THE COMMISSION TODAY. 
          REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER ARE ALSO PRESENT, AND WE'LL SPEAK IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          THE PROPERTY AT ONE 16 EAST DEWEY IS A SINGLE STORY QUEEN ANNE RESIDENCE BUILT CIRCA 1912. 
          IT IS LOCATED IN THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD OF CITY COUNCIL. 
          DISTRICT ONE, PARKVIEW PARTNERS, L T D AND PARKVIEW PARTNERS TWO L T D CURRENTLY OWN THE PROPERTY. 
          WE HAVE A TIMELINE OF THE CASE HISTORY. 
          ON JULY 22ND, 2020, CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS NOTIFIED OF THE PROPERTY'S POTENTIAL ELIGIBILITY IN RESPONSE TO A DANGEROUS PREMISE NOTICE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, UH, ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, UH, THIS PROPERTY ONE 16 EAST DEWEY IS IN THE BLOCK IMMEDIATELY WEST OF, UH, TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE, WHICH IS ALSO OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OF ONE 16 EAST DEWEY. 
          ON FEBRUARY 4TH, 2021, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION APPROVED A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 
          IN RESPONSE TO A REQUEST BROUGHT BY THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION INITIATING DESIGNATION AND THE H C R C RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. 
          THE ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF DESIGNATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          AFTER A SITE VISIT, TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION RECOMMENDED, UH, WITHDREW THEIR SUPPORT, EXCUSE ME, FROM DESIGNATION BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY. 
          ON JULY 17TH, 2021, CITY COUNCIL DENIED LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND O H P STAFF APPROVED THE PROPERTY OWNER'S DEMOLITION REQUEST FOR THE STRUCTURE. 
          A RECENT SURVEY OF TOBIN HILL IDENTIFIED STRUCTURES THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO A POTENTIAL LOCAL DISTRICT. 
          THESE CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES ARE MARKED WITH, UH, BLUE DOTS ON THE MAP. 
          YOU SEE HERE, NEARBY LOCAL LANDMARKS ARE MARKED WITH STARS COMPOUNDING DEMOLITIONS AS A RESULT OF ONGOING NEGLECT, AS IN THESE TWO CASES ON EAST DEWEY ERODE THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE OWNER OF ONE 16 EAST DEWEY PLACE ALSO OWNS THE PROPERTY AT TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 
          AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, H E R C RECOMMENDED DESIGNATION FOR TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 
          BUT CITY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY DENIED THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          UH, DEMOLITION CREATES HOLES IN CITY BLOCKS AND PIECEMEAL DEMOLITION ERODES THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE CRITERION FOR ELIGIBILITY, UH, FOR ONE 16 EAST DEWEY PLACE ARE AS FOLLOWS. 
          IT MEETS FOUR CRITERIA, UH, CRITERION THREE AS HOME OF ALBERT W. HARTMAN, WHO REPRESENTED SAN ANTONIO TO THE TEXAS 5 MILLION CLUB AND SERVED AS SECRETARY FOR THE INTERNATIONAL CLUB. 
          UH, BOTH ORGANIZATIONS SOUGHT TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH OF THE TEXAS ECONOMY BY ENCOURAGING POPULATION GROWTH IN THE FORMER CLUB AND BETTER BUSINESS AND SOCIAL RELATIONS WITH MEXICO INTO THE LATTER, UH, CRITERION FIVE AS AN EXAMPLE OF A SINGLE STORY QUEEN ANNE RESIDENCE. 
          UH, CRITERION EIGHT, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY REMAINS, UH, MANY OF THE, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES INCLUDING 
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WOOD CLADDING, WOOD WINDOWS, CLOSED GABLES WITH DECORATIVE SHINGLES, UH, CUTAWAY BAY DENTALS ALONG THE FASCIA OF THE PRIMARY ELEVATION, BRICK CHIMNEYS, A GABLE ON HIP STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, AND ONE ORIGINAL CORINTHIAN STER. 
          AND FOR CRITERION 13, UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH STAFF FOUND IS AN ELIGIBLE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          SHOULD THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHOOSE TO DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY WOULD BE LISTED AS CONTRIBUTING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND DIRECTION TO PROCESS A REQUEST ON BEHALF OF H D R C TO CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE DESIGNATION OF ONE 16 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 
          AND OUR REP REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE OWNER ARE HERE TODAY, MICHELLE HOUSEMAN AND EVAN ZUKI. 
          UH, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELVES TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEN YOU CAN SHARE YOUR CASE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M MICHELLE HOUSEMAN WITH LAND USE SOLUTIONS REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          AND PATRICK CHRISTENSEN IS HERE AS WELL AS A CO REPRESENTATIVE. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          UM, SO AS WAS MENTIONED, PARKVIEW PARTNERS LIMITED AND PARKVIEW PARTNERS TO, THEY ARE THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. JIMMY NESOR IS THE GENERAL PARTNER OF THAT PARTNERSHIP. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER OPPOSES THE FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, AND WE RESPECTFULLY THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS REQUEST. 
          THE PROCESS STARTED WITH THE DANGEROUS PREMISES OFFICER PATRICIA RAMIREZ FILING A DANGEROUS STRUCTURES REPORT. 
          SO THIS WAS NOT ACTUALLY INITIATED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER THEMSELVES, IT WAS INITIATED BY THE CITY AND SO THAT IT DANGEROUS STRUCTURES REPORT WAS ISSUED AND THE CITY FILED THE DEMOLITION PERMIT AND THEN THAT WAS THEN SENT TO OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. 
          THIS IS NOT WORKING. 
          SURE. 
          SO SORRY, I WASN'T SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH. 
          SO THIS IS A STREET VIEW FACING SOUTH. 
          THE, THERE ARE NON-ORIGINAL PORCH COLUMNS THAT YOU SEE ALONG THE FRONT. 
          THE ROOF AND THE MOLDING ARE DETERIORATED AND THERE ARE HOLES IN THE ROOF. 
          THIS IS THE PORCH DETAIL. 
          AGAIN, THE COLUMNS ARE NOT ORIGINAL. 
          YOU CAN SEE, UM, IN CLOSER DETAIL THE HOLES IN THE PORCH AND THE MOLDING AND THE ROOF ARE DETERIORATING. 
          THIS IS THE WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          THERE IS TREE DAMAGE, UM, THAT YOU SEE HERE TO THE ROOF. 
          AND THE STRUCTURE, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT ANGLE, UM, ADDITIONAL TREE DAMAGE ON THE ROOF AND THE STRUCTURE. 
          THIS IS THE REAR SIDE. 
          THERE'S A MODERN ADDITION IN THE BACK ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE THE GRAY, UM, STRUCTURE AND THEN THE STRUCTURE'S REFLECTED ON THE RIGHT AND THE BACK. 
          IT'S KIND OF A RUST ORANGE COLOR. 
          THIS IS THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURES CASE THAT, UH, WAS FILED ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND SO IN, IN DETAIL, IT DESCRIBED IT AS A VACANT SINGLE STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND DETERIORATED CONDITION. 
          CROSS GABLE ROOF SYSTEM ON MAIN HAS CORRUGATED METAL SHEETS THAT ARE WORN RUSTED IN LIFTING. 
          ADDITION IN REAR HAS A GABLE ROOF SYSTEM WITH ASPHALT ROLL THAT IS WORN AND DETACHING SHEATHING RAFTERS, FASCIA BOARDS, AND SOFFIT AREAS ARE ROTTED, DETERIORATED AND EXPOSED. 
          EXTERIOR WALLS HAVE WOOD SIDING THAT IS MISSING AND SEPARATING POST ION FOUNDATION IS FAILING AND SINKING POSTS ARE LISTING AND SILLS ARE TWISTED. 
          AND OFF CENTER SKIRTING IS ROTTING. 
          FRONT PORCH DECKING IS ROTTED AND UNLEVEL. 
          SO THIS IS THE POINT WHERE I WOULD TURN THIS OVER TO PATRICK CHRISTENSEN AND WE'LL BOTH BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I JUST HIT THE ARROWS TOO? OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, UH, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          UM, WE WANTED, WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS SHOT JUST TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE CONTEXT OF WHAT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, GRANTED A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, THERE WERE LOTS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HERE WITH SAC DESTROYING ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THINGS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT SOME COMMERCIAL BARS THERE ON MAIN STREET PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          NEWER TOWN HOMES, JUST JUST ACROSS THE STREET. 
          LEMME SEE IF THIS WORKS. 
          OH, UH, THIS IS THE, THE HOUSE TO OUR EAST, AND THIS IS THE VIEW ACROSS THE STREET LOOKING LEFT AND LOOKING RIGHT. 
          THIS IS A, A ONE KIND OF A MUST HAVE BEEN AN OLD AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP YEARS AGO. 
          IT'S JUST SORT OF A GARAGE FACILITY TODAY. 
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AND AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS. 
          I MEAN, KIND OF THE, THE REASON WHY WE'RE ALL HERE IS BECAUSE THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURES BOARD DETERMINED THAT THIS, THIS STRUCTURE WAS A DANGER TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, WE WERE FORCED TO SORT OF FILE AN APPLICATION WITH THE H D R C FOR DEMOLITION BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS KIND OF IN THIS NO MAN'S LAND WHERE HE HAD A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE, HE COULDN'T DEMOLISH IT, BUT NOTHING WAS HAPPENING. 
          WE WEREN'T GETTING PUT ON, ON THE AGENDA TO COME SEE YOU. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE ASKED. 
          WE FILED THAT APPLICATION OF ASKED TO BE HERE TODAY TO TRY TO GET SOME CLOSURE ON THIS PROBLEM. 
          AGAIN, THE SCHEDULE. 
          UM, I WANNA SHOW YOU A COUPLE THINGS HERE PUT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS TAN LINE IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE CURRENT TOBIN HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THIS PROPERTY WAS LEFT OUT, UM, ANOTHER SURVEY WAS DONE IN 2021 BY POST OAK PRESERVATION. 
          THEY DECIDED THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS, WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT REPORT. 
          IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          AND I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS. 
          THIS IS THE, UM, OF THE CONTEXT AREA AND THE CHANGES IN THE U D C THAT WERE ADOPTED IN JANUARY, 2023. 
          UM, ONLY 6% OF THE CONTEXT AREA PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC, UM, THAT PROPERTY'S NEXT DOOR. 
          WE HAVE TWO MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CONTEXT AREA AND THE MAJORITY OF THE AREA IS, IS COMMERCIAL IN PARKING. 
          AND I HAVE ALL THE PHOTOS OF ALL THE STRUCTURES AROUND THERE. 
          IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANY OF THOSE. 
          WE'RE KIND OF IN A TOUGH SITUATION HERE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS, IS TOO FAR GONE TO BE SAVED. 
          IT'S THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURES, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM STARTED THIS PROCESS. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET CLOSURE AND COME UP WITH A PLAN TO, TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY. 
          SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR NOT DESIGNING THIS PROPERTY AS A LANDMARK. 
          AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL AND THEN, UH, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. 
          THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 15. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND ELIGIBILITY FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR 1 1 6 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 
          WE CONCUR WITH O H P STAFF AND THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION THAT THE STRUCTURE MEETS THE CRITERION FOR DESIGNATION. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, RICKY KUSHNER. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          THIS VOICEMAIL IS IN REFERENCE TO H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 2 8 8. 
          THE ADDRESS DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY IN, UH, REFERENCING IS 1 1 6 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS MARY BRISCOE CUSHMAN, MY HUSBAND ROBERT CUSHMAN, AND I RESIDE AT 8 2 3 OGDEN STREET AND SHARE THE PROPERTY LINE WITH 1 1 6 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 
          OUR PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURE AND WITHIN 500 FOOT RADIUS OF THE 1 1 6 DEWEY PLACE, 22 FAMILIES RESIDE. 
          AND OGDEN AND DEWEY PLACE IS THE RESIDENTIAL POCKET OF THE MIXED USE AREA SITUATED BETWEEN MAIN STREET AND MCCOLL AVENUE AND DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY. 
          HISTORIC WOULD COMPLIMENT THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECT OF THE MIXED USE AREA AND, AND IT WOULD ENSURE THE CURRENT ESTABLISHED RESIDENCE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND PEACEFUL RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT THEY INVESTED IN WHILE SUPPORTING THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS INTO CONSIDERATION WHILE MAKING YOUR DETERMINATION AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A SUCCESSFUL DAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          OKAY, RICKY, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER. 
          I RESIDE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN TOBIN HILL. 
          UH, AND I AM SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. 
          HOWEVER, UH, PARENTHETICALLY I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS BUSINESS ABOUT, UH, THE DEMOLITION, THE OWNER BOUGHT THE TERRITORY, THE, THE, THE, 
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UH, THE BUILDING, THE PRESENT OWNER BOUGHT THAT BUILDING IN MUCH THE SHAPE THAT IT IS IN. 
          NOW HERE'S MY STATEMENT. 
          THE ASSOCIATION REQUESTS A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE PROPERTY OF ONE 16 EAST DEWY PLACE. 
          ITS ZONING IS MF 33 AND ITS LAND USE IS SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THIS HOUSE IS ADJACENT TO THE REAR OF 8 23 OGDEN STREET AND HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          THE HOUSE HAS RETAINED MUCH OF ITS ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL IDENTITY, INCLUDING TRIM AND SIDING. 
          THERE IS AN ADDITION AT THE REAR, WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN TACKED ON SOMETIME AFTER 1952. 
          HOWEVER, THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE MAIN OR FRONT SECTION OF THE HOUSE REMAINS THE SAME. 
          THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THE FIRST TO DEVELOP AND WAS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL WITH HOMES RANGING FROM LARGE TWO STORY TO SMALL BUNGALOWS. 
          MOST HAD RESIDENT OWNERS, BUT THERE WERE RENTALS. 
          AN AERIAL PHOTO FROM THE 1950S SHOWS THE AREA TO BE A SEA OF HOUSE STOPS. 
          THIS IS NO LONGER THE CASE. 
          MOST OF THOSE HOUSES HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED, BUT THERE ARE A FEW POCKETS OF BUILDINGS THAT SHOW WHAT ONCE WAS. 
          THIS HOUSE, WHICH HAS BEEN VACANT FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS, IS UNDER A REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION. 
          DEMOLITION, AND I'M SORRY BY THE OWNER THAT'S INCORRECT. 
          I BELIEVE IT IS ONE OF FOUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES LEFT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST DEWEY BETWEEN NORTH MAINE AND MCCULLOUGH AVENUE. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT SOME REMNANT OF THE FORMER CHARACTER OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE WEST OF MCCULLOUGH AVENUE SHOULD BE PRESERVED. 
          WE HOPE THAT YOU AGREE THAT ONE 16 EAST DEWY IS AN HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RICHARD MOORE. 
          YEP. 
          GREETINGS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          MY NAME IS RICHARD MOORE. 
          I RESIDE AT 1806 MCCULLOUGH AVENUE. 
          I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF TOBIN HILL FOR 55 YEARS, BETTER, WELL KNOWN AS A DINOSAUR AT TOBIN HILL. 
          I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE ORIGINAL TOBIN HILL 1979 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          AND, UH, I'VE BEEN A PRACTICING ARCHITECT IN SAN ANTONIO FOR 55 YEARS. 
          I'VE BEEN ASKED TO COME HERE AND GIVE PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON RESTORATION OF EXISTING HOMES IN TOBIN HILL. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENCE WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY IS NOT IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT OF TOBIN HILL. 
          IT'S BEYOND THERE. 
          I REVIEWED THE HOUSE. 
          LET, LET ME STATE TO YOU THAT MYSELF AND MY FOUR SONS OWN 13 PROPERTIES IN TOBIN HILL. 
          I HAVE MY SONS AND I HAVE RESTORED 13 PROPERTIES. 
          THE REASON I'M HERE IS TO GIVE, GIVE YOU PROFESSIONAL OPINION OF WHAT IT COSTS TO RESTORE HOMES THAT ARE IN THIS CONDITION. 
          THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE IS BEYOND REPAIR. 
          UNLESS YOU ARE A A AN ENTHUSIASTIC OWNER OF A HOUSE THAT YOU WANNA SPEND $200,000 RESTORING, THEN GO AHEAD AND SPEND IT. 
          I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT CONSIDER RESTORING THIS HOME. 
          IT'S BEYOND REPAIR. 
          I I CAN HEAR ALL THAT. 
          IT HAS NO, IT, FIRST OF ALL, IT HAS NO ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. 
          THE LADY THAT JUST SPOKE TO YOU VIA THIS, THAT LIVES AT THE CORNER OF OGDEN AND, AND DEWEY, SHE CAN REMEMBER THE HOUSE THAT WAS NEXT DOOR TO HER. 
          IT WAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL HOME IN TOBIN HILL, BUT YET OUR, MY ENEMY WAS SAN ANTONIO COLLEGE HAS BEEN A, A VERY BAD NEIGHBOR TO TOBIN HILL. 
          THEY HAVE DESTROYED ABOUT FIVE PROPERTIES IN TOBIN HILL AND PUT PARKING LOTS. 
          THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE WE ARE DISCUSSING IS BEYOND REPAIR. 
          IT WOULD TAKE PROBABLY $150,000, WHICH WOULD BE A BAD INVESTMENT FOR ANYBODY TO GO IN AND RESTORE. 
          I JUST STATED TO YOU, I HAVE 13 PROPERTIES. 
          THEY ARE FI FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL AFTER RESTORATION. 
          YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE REAL FIGURES OF WHAT IT COSTS TO RESTORE A PROPERTY BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION TO OH YES, LET'S, LET'S NOT, LET'S NOT DESTROY THAT HOUSE RIGHT NOW. 
          TOVAN HILL IS INFESTED WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE LAST YEAR. 
          WE'VE LOST TWO HOUSES TO THE HOMELESS IN THE SAME BLOCK THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. 
          THIS HOUSE IS GONNA BE THE NEXT VICTIM OF A FIRE BY 
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THE HOMELESS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I ASK YOU THAT ALLOW, ALLOW THIS PROPERTY OWNER TO DEMOLISH THIS HOUSE AND ALLOW HIM OR WHOEVER IT IS THAT OWNS THIS PROPERTY, COME IN AND DUKE MAYBE TWO OR THREE NEW PROJECTS THAT THAT, THAT TOBIN HILL IS NOW. 
          WE, WE'VE GOT SO MANY NEW PROJECTS IN TOBIN HILL. 
          THIS IS THE MOST ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          IT IS CONTINUING TO BUILD AND IT IS CONTINUING TO ENHANCE IT EVERY DAY. 
          AND IF YOU, IF YOU JUST TORE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, GO SEE WHAT IS DEVELOPING IN TOBIN HILL. 
          AND SO I CONSI I I WANNA ASK YOU TO ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER DEMOLISH THIS HOUSE FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR NOW. 
          UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          I HAVE SOME QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE TIMELINE. 
          UM, MAYBE I THINK IT'S FOR, FOR MR. CHRISTENSEN. 
          SO YOU WERE MENTIONING, OR MAYBE THE OTHER PRESENTATION, MICHELLE, WAS THE 2019 WAS THE FIRST D S D CALL, I THINK IT WAS ON THE PRESENTATION. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURES REPORT WAS THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS. 
          SO, AND THE CITY FILED THE DEMO PERMIT AT THAT POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU HAD IT IN AUGUST, 2019. 
          AND THEN THE CITY HERE RIGHT NOW, HERE ON OUR PRESENTATION, WE SEE JULY, 2020. 
          SO WHAT IS IT? SO THE, THE PROCESS STARTED WITH THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURES REPORT IN 2019. 
          THE CITY FILED A DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION. 
          THEN THE STAFF OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMENTED ON THAT ABOUT, UM, THEY COULDN'T APPROVE IT ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          AND SO THEN IT WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS ASKED TO FILE ITS OWN DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEING ACTED ON NOW. 
          THAT'S WHAT, SO LIKE IN THREE YEARS WE HAVE NEVER REVIEWED THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE NEVER REVIEWED THIS AS HERE ON THE BOARD. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          LEMME JUST GIVE QUICK PROCESS CLARIFICATION. 
          SO WE WORK WITH D S D ON INCOMING B S B CASES. 
          B S B IS THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. 
          AND SO AS PROPERTIES ARE IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL B S B CASE, MEANING THEY'RE A DANGER, DANGEROUS PREMISE OR A PROPERTY THAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROPERTY, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WE GET NOTIFICATION OF THOSE AND WE INFORM THEM OF EITHER THE, THE DESIGNATION STATUS, IF IT HAS ONE OR IT'S ELIGIBILITY STATUS IF IT HAS IT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE INITIAL KIND OF IDENTIFICATION OF THIS PROPERTY CAME FROM. 
          SO, BUT THE OWNER DECIDED HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING, NOT EVEN LIKE TRIMMING THE TREES. 
          I JUST LET IT IN THOSE THREE YEARS KNOWING THAT IT WAS ALREADY A DANGEROUS PREMISE. 
          NOT FILING ANYTHING, NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT FOR THREE YEARS, WELL, FOUR YEARS. 
          FOUR YEARS, WHAT, FOUR YEARS NOW. 
          HE'S BEEN CONSTANTLY KEEPING THE, THE WINDOWS BOARDED UP, HOMELESS PEOPLE COME AND TEAR THEM DOWN, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          HE'S HAS BEEN DOING THAT. 
          HAS HE RESTORED THE HOUSE? NO, HE HAS NOT. 
          NO. 
          BUT EVEN THE TREES, 'CAUSE AS THE, A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, MORE DAMAGE TO THE STRUCTURE HAS MOSTLY BEEN NEGLECT. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S A SERIOUS CONCERN IF HE, IF HE WERE TO CUT THE TREE DOWN, THE STRUCTURE MIGHT FALL OVER. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN OKAY. 
          THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND I THINK THAT WAS MY FINAL QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          FISH. 
          UH, DID WE HAVE A SITE VISIT? COULD WE GET A REPORT FROM A D R C? NO, NO SITE VISIT YET. 
          THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE. 
          NOW I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY, I GUESS IT WAS BACK IN 2019 WHEN IT CAME TO, UH, DANGEROUS STRUCTURES. 
          IT'S SAID THERE I WAS DECEMBER, 2020. 
          MY OPINION WAS THAT, UM, IT HAD SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, UH, TO BE MAINTAINED. 
          UH, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE, UH, CONNECTION WITH, UH, HISTORIC FOLKS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO TO BRING IT UP TO THE, UM, THE CRITERIA THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TODAY. 
          BUT I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THIS HOUSE, UM, AT LEAST THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SINO? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SINO. 
          UM, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE OWNERS OR THE OWNER REP. 
          CAN YOU CONFIRM WHEN THIS CURRENT OWNER PURCHASED FIRST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY? YES. 
          THE CURRENT OWNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2014. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURAL REPORT BY THE NEIGHBOR OCCURRED ABOUT FIVE YEARS LATER? YES, MA'AM. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. 
          UH, WHAT WAS THE USE OR OCCUPANCY OF THAT STRUCTURE DURING THOSE FIVE YEARS? THE STRUCTURE, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, HAS NOT BEEN OCCUPIED SINCE AROUND 2012. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO, CAN YOU TELL ME IF THERE HAS BEEN, UM, A FENCE OR SECURITY FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY ANY TIME SINCE, UH, 2014 TO TODAY? NO, MA'AM. 
          I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS ANY TYPE OF 
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SECURITY FENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE YES, MR. VELASQUEZ. 
          IF, IF THE, IF THE STRUCTURE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS OF, OF, UM, DECONSTRUCTION, WHAT IS THE, ARE Y'ALL OPEN TO THAT? ANY ELEMENTS OF IT THAT ARE, UH, SALVAGEABLE TO BE SENT TO THE CITY'S NEW? UH, YES SIR. 
          SALVAGE CENTER? ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON, UH, VOTING THRESHOLDS. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, REVIEW OF THIS CASE IN A FORUM LIKE THIS. 
          SO A SIMPLE MAJORITY IS WHAT CARRIES THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UH, AS, AS A CASE LIKE THIS WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WOULD IT EVENTUALLY REQUIRE SUPER MAJORITY FROM THIS BODY? WOULD, SO THE ITEM TODAY IS JUST THE FINDING OF A SOURCE SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH IS THE DETERMINATION THAT IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION THAT DOES NOT INITIATE THE DESIGNATION PROCESS, WHICH IS A CHANGE IN ZONING. 
          ONLY CITY COUNCIL CAN DO THAT. 
          SO WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION TODAY, WE WOULD ASK, UM, CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION TO PROCEED WITH THE REZONING. 
          IF THAT WERE TO BE APPROVED, IT WOULD COME BACK HERE FIRST FOR SUPER MAJORITY VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP FOR THAT, UM, THAT IS WHEN THE OWNER CAN THEN, ONCE IT'S A LANDMARK, THE OWNER CAN THEN CLAIM ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, WHICH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS MENTIONING THE HIGH AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REHAB AND THAT WE COULD DISCUSS THAT AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          SO THE QUESTION TODAY IS THE ELIGIBILITY, UM, THE CODE SAYS THAT ONCE IT'S DETERMINED, ELIGIBLE, THEN THE APPLICANT AT ANY TIME IN THE PROCESS CAN COME FORWARD, UM, WITH A CASE FOR DEMOLITION, AND IT CAN BE TREATED AS A REVIEW OF A DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK. 
          I HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          I'M MOVED TO APPROVE, UM, THE FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. 
          SECOND MOTION IS SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ Y? YES, SIR. 
          I, I'M NOT, UM, I MEAN THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS WHY I DON'T, DON'T AGREE WITH IT. 
          UH, WITH, WITH THE MOTION, UM, ONE OF WHICH IS THAT YOU, THE, THESE ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE SO CLOSE TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE VERY, THEY'RE VERY INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASONS, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR CONSCIOUS EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO EXCLUDE THESE ENVIRONMENTS ALREADY. 
          AND EVEN JUST LOOKING AT THE CASE BEFORE WHERE THE LADY WANTS TO EXTEND HER CONCRETE, I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY AWARE OF WHAT THEY GET THEMSELVES INTO WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY PURCHASE HISTORIC HOMES AND, AND WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY VOTE TO MAKE THEIR AREAS HISTORIC. 
          THEY PUT AN EX AN EXTREME LEVEL OF REGULATION OVER THEMSELVES. 
          AND, AND IT, IT BECOMES VERY COMPLICATED, VERY DIFFICULT, BUT IT NULL AND VOIDS NOT BEING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN THE ONLY WAY THAT THESE DESIGNATIONS OCCUR IS WHEN, AS WE'VE SAID HERE BEFORE, WHEN THEY'RE WEAPONIZED, WHEN THEY'RE USED TO STOP SOMETHING, BECAUSE THE BUILDING'S SITTING THERE AND, AND WE CAN BE ADVERSARIAL TO THE A I MEAN, TO THE, TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SAY, WELL, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THIS? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT? WHEN, WHEN THE, THE, THE, THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION COMES FROM THE CITY ITSELF? WHY DIDN'T THE CITY PROACTIVELY REQUEST A, A, A LANDMARK DESIGNATION? AND THEN, AND THEN WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY THAT HAVE DONE SOMETHING THAT HAVE CHANGED PEOPLE'S LIVES, THAT, THAT WE PICKED THE PERSON THAT OWNED THE HOUSE, WE FIND A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE AND IT SAYS HERE THAT HE WAS ELECTED SECRETARY OF THE INTERNATIONAL CUB, WHICH IS WHAT IT SAYS TO SUCCEED HIMSELF. 
          AND, AND, AND WE, WE ASK OURSELVES, OKAY, SO WE WANNA SAY THAT THAT'S IDENTIFICATION WITH THE PERSON OR PERSONS WHO SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY WHEN THE STANDARD HAS BEEN TYPICALLY ABRAHAM LINCOLN, RIGHT? DID ABRAHAM LINCOLN SLEEP THERE? AND THEN WE HAVE NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH WE HAVE TO MAKE A, A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO, THE EMBODIMENT OF A DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTIC OR ITS HISTORICAL A, UH, ARCHITECTURAL OR CULTURAL INTEGRITY. 
          THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THEY CAN SOUND THE SAME. 
          SO WITH RESPECT TO ITEM FIVE, IT, IT DOES SEEM THAT IT'S LOST QUITE A BIT OF ITS DEFINING, UH, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. 
          AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. 
          WE, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME HOUSES THAT HAD COLUMNS THAT WERE GONE. 
          THEY HAD PIECES THAT WERE GONE. 
          AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WE CAN'T TELL ANYBODY THAT THEY HAVE TO REPLACE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T THERE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THESE KINDA HODGEPODGE HOUSES OCCURRING ALL OVER THE CITY, WHICH, NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE BAD, BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR CONTROL, WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOW A BUILDING THAT HAD A CORINTHIAN COLUMN OR A DARK COLUMN BECOMES A SQUARE COLUMN, AND THEN IT'S NOT EVEN A SQUARE COLUMN. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A SIX INCH CEDAR POST, AND THEN IT'S NOT PAINTED, IT'S BROWN. 
          AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE CHARACTERISTIC THAT'S POPPING UP ALL OVER THE CITY BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE INTERPRETATION THAT IS ENABLED 
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IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE. 
          IT ENABLES THAT, THAT, THAT THAT CAPABILITY, WHICH REALLY, REALLY THROWS NUMBER FIVE OUT, NUMBER EIGHT IS STILL THERE, BUT THAT STILL JUST LEAVES US WITH NUMBER EIGHT AND NUMBER 13. 
          SO IT, IT JUST, IT JUST SEEMS THAT, THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S A SAYING IN SPANISH. 
          I THINK IT'S HE WHO GRABS FOR MUCH, GETS VERY LITTLE. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A VERY, UH, UH, TELLING, UM, UH, DICHO AS WE SAY ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE, WE THINK WE'RE DOING RIGHT AND, AND WE CREATE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE END RESULT, IT'S NOT WHAT WE THINK IT IS, NOT WHAT WE INTEND. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING SENDING THIS TO COUNSEL, UM, AFTER I'VE SEEN SOME MORE EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OR, OR AGAINST THE CLAIM THAT IT'S BEYOND REPAIR. 
          THERE'S VERY LITTLE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OR A SITE VISIT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE IN THIS CASE. 
          UM, THAT SAID, I THINK THE 3 5, 8 13 ARE CERTAINLY, UH, APPLICABLE HERE AND UNDER THOSE, UH, CATEGORIES THAT SHOULD BE DETERMINED TO BE ELIGIBLE IF IT IS IN A READILY REPAIRABLE CONDITION. 
          AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I WOULD FOLLOW, IF THE MOTION DOESN'T SUCCEED, I'D FOLLOW ON WITH THE D R C SITE VISIT TO ASSESS THE, THE CLAIMS MADE BY THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, JUST KIND OF FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION PURPOSES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, A COMMENT ABOUT, UH, THE CRITERIA, CRITERIA HAS NEVER BEEN, DID ABRAHAM LINCOLN SLEEP HERE? IN FACT, UM, THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT PRESERVATION AS A MOVEMENT SINCE THE 1966 HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT HAS SORT OF BEEN PUSHING BACK AGAINST THE, THE SENSE THAT, UH, SOMETHING GAINS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE OF AN INCIDENTAL EN ENCOUNTER WITH A HISTORIC CHARACTER. 
          UM, I, I ACTUALLY THINK I, THE, UH, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE HERE, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS, IS, IS PROBABLY THE WEAKEST OF THE, UH, THE CRITERIA FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          UM, I THINK 13 IS PERHAPS THE STRONGEST JUST BECAUSE OF THE WHITTLING AND ERODING AWAY OF THE FRINGES OF, UM, TOBIN HILL. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT CERTAINLY IS IN AN IMPORTANT KIND OF BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SAN ANTONIO COLLEGE, WHICH HAS BEEN RIGHTFULLY IDENTIFIED AS KIND OF A CULPRIT FOR, UH, PERPETRATING A LOT OF THAT EROSION. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT, UH, THE CRITERIA ARE, ARE PRETTY SPECIFIC AND THEY'RE ALSO, THEY TEND TO TRY TO GO TO SORT OF WHATEVER SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY IT'S THAT COMMUNITY AND COUNTY AND STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL THAT ARE INCREMENTAL, YOU KNOW, THE CRITERIA ACKNOWLEDGED THAT NOT EVERYTHING IS AT A NATIONAL LEVEL, THAT, YOU KNOW, ABRAHAM LINCOLN SLEPT THERE. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, JUST AS A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, UH, I SAY THAT IN THE CONTEXT THAT I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS DAAS WHEN, WHEN IN, IN, UM, KING WILLIAM IN LA VACA, WE, WE MADE THE DECISION TO TEAR DOWN THE HOUSE OF ALBERT PENA JR'S FATHER'S HOUSE BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW WHO HE WAS. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT WE CONTINUE TO MAKE DECISIONS TO DEVELOP ON TOP OF A CEMETERY AT THE ALAMO. 
          SO BY, BY THAT STANDARD, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU SEEM TO HAVE TO BE ABRAHAM LINCOLN. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I MEAN, JUST FOR STAFF CLARIFICATION, CAN YOU PULL UP SLIDE PAGE THREE AND, AND I'M, I'M, I MIGHT AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISH AND THAT THREE MIGHT BE THE WEAKEST. 
          I WAS THINKING COMMISSIONER CARPENTER MENTIONED. 
          I MEAN, IT IS STILL, IT, IT'S STILL THERE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE WORDING. 
          AND EVEN COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ MENTIONED FIVE AND EIGHT ARE SIMILAR. 
          I THINK STAFF HAS MADE, UM, A GOOD POINT OF DIFFERENTIATING WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE DETAILS IN ITEM FIVE AND WHAT ARE THE DETAILS IN EIGHT? WE USUALLY, WHEN WE DO FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, UH, WE DO LOOK AT THESE CRITERIA. 
          WE DO ALSO, YOU KNOW, RELY ON STAFF'S REPORT AND THEY HAVE BEEN THERE. 
          COMMISSIONER FETZER MENTIONED THAT I, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO A D R C, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH HERE TO MOVE THIS ON TO, YOU KNOW, FINDING A HISTORIC EFFECT TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS WHERE THE APPLICANT THEN CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT PARTS WILL BE PARTIALLY DEMOLISHED OR, OR WHAT'S THE PROCESS. 
          BUT I MEAN, LIKE, IT'S, IT'S BEEN LIKE THIS FOR FOUR YEARS AND THE OWNERS OWN IT SINCE 2012. 
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I MEAN, I WISH THIS WAS DONE BACK IN 2012. 
          I'M JUST SAYING EIGHT, NINE, WHAT? ALMOST 11 YEARS OF, OF NEGLECT. 
          I KNOW IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH TO TELL US THAT. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS NOT BEING DONE VERY MUCH FOR THIS TO, YOU KNOW, BEING, YOU KNOW, SAVED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH, NAYYY, SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ NAY. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          AND AFE AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 16. 
          AGENDA ITEM 16, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 2 23, UH, 1304 EAST HOUSTON. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CON REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SIX LEVEL PARKING STRUCTURE AT 1304 EAST HOUSTON. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN A DOWNTOWN DESIGN AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL BE BOUNDED TO THE NORTH BY EAST HOUSTON TO THE EAST AND SOUTH BY PRIVATE PROPERTY AND TO THE WEST BY THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE, THAT VERTICAL FACADE ELEMENTS BE ADDED TO COMPLETE TO THE COMPLETE LENGTH OF EACH FACADE IS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO THAT THE EAST HOUSTON STREET FACADE BE FULLY DESIGNED TO APPEAR TO FEATURE ACTIVE SPACE AT THE GROUND LEVEL IS NOTED IN FINDING G STOREFRONT SYSTEMS SHOULD BE, SHOULD EXTEND THE EAST HOUSTON STREET FAC FACADE, PARTICULARLY BENEATH THE PROPOSED PEDESTRIAN CAN CANOPY. 
          AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION WOULD BE AN INSTALL. 
          EVERGREEN STREET TREES AS A SCREENING SOLUTION IS NOTED IN FINDING I THREE. 
          THAT SIGNAGE AND PUBLIC ART BE DEVELOPED IS SPECIFIED IN THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE IS NOTED IN FINDINGS F AND G FOUR. 
          THE BUILDING LIGHTING BE DESIGNED IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT PRODUCE LIGHT POLLUTION. 
          TOP LEVEL LIGHTING SHOULD BE SUPPLIED VIA WALL SCONCES AND NOT LIGHT POLES. 
          AND FIVE, THAT ALL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS ADHERE TO THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, ANDREW DOUGLAS AND JEREMY HAR ARE HERE IN PERSON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M ANDREW DOUGLAS, PRESIDENT DOUGLAS ARCHITECTS. 
          UM, WE'RE HERE TO, UH, PRESENT THE GARAGE PROJECT. 
          WE HAD MET, I THINK ABOUT, UH, THREE WEEKS AGO VIA A CONFERENCE CALL AND RECEIVED SOME, UH, PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK IN THAT DISCUSSION. 
          SO THIS PIGGYBACKS ON, UH, SOME OF THAT, UH, EARLIER DISCUSSION. 
          UH, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, NEAR EAST SIDE. 
          THIS IS THE BOTTOM ONE. 
          UH, THE, THE MERCHANT SIZE COMPLEX, WHICH IS MADE UP OF T R T F, UH, RESEARCH. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE BUILDING, UH, B THERE, OR BUILDING TWO, EXCUSE ME, UH, WHICH IS SCORPIUS BIOMED BUILDING IS ALSO SCORPIUS BIOMED, UH, THE MERCHANT'S ICE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          THE FOUR STORY STRUCTURE MADE UP OF, UH, FIVE STRUCTURES IS CURRENTLY BEING RENOVATED. 
          WE'RE INVOLVED IN THAT PROJECT. 
          UH, IT'S GOING WELL. 
          UH, HISTORIC TAX CREDITS ON THAT PROJECT. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL PROJECT, GOOD DEVELOPMENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE GARAGE SITE THAT YOU SEE ACROSS THE STREET ON, UH, STREET TO THE E UH, TO THE SOUTH, EXCUSE ME, IS THE GARAGE THAT WILL SUPPORT THIS CAMPUS, A BUILDING. 
          SO IT'S DESIGNED, UH, TO, UH, ADDRESS THE PARKING NEEDS IN THIS AREA. 
          I DUNNO IF YOU'VE BEEN OVER HERE RECENTLY, BUT THE PARKING DEMAND HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          UH, OUR OFFICE IS ACTUALLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PARKING STRUCTURE. 
          SO WE, WE TAKE A VESTED INTEREST IN, UH, THE DESIGN AND THE LOCATION, UH, OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I FEEL IS VERY IMPORTANT IS THERE'S A HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THE OLD AND OLD MERCHANT'S ICE COMPLEX. 
          AND SO REALLY FEEL IT'S STRONG THAT THE MATERIAL PALETTE NEEDS TO RECOGNIZE, UH, WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. 
          AND SO WE'RE BUILDING FROM THE CLAY BRICK, THE CLAY TILE THAT A HARNESS BRICK, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE REGULAR, UH, BRICK MASONRY, UH, THE METAL FEATURES THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE CAMPUS AND THE BOARD FORMED CONCRETE WAS INDICATIVE OF THE EARLY LOADING DOCK, UH, COMPONENTS. 
          SO THAT, THAT IS KIND OF OUR STARTING POINT FOR THE DESIGN. 
          THAT CENTER IMAGE UP AT THE TOP IS THE BACKSIDE OF MERCHANTS THAT'S CURRENTLY BUILT. 
          THE WOOD STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY UP. 
          UH, SO THAT'S THE CONTEXT OF THAT NEW ADDITION THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING BUILT. 
          I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO JEREMY JARAMILLO, THE PROJECT DIRECTOR. 
          THEY'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE DETAIL OF THE PROJECT. 
          AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU FOR REVIEWING THIS. 
          I'M JEREMY JARAMILLO WITH DOUGLAS. 
          AND, UH, LOOKING AT THE, THE GROUND FLOOR PLAN, 
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AGAIN, SERVING THE MERCHANTE COMPLEX NORTH OF EAST HOUSTON STREET, YOU SEE THE, THE CONNECTION THERE WITH THE CROSSWALK, AND THAT'S THE MAIN ENTRY TO THE CAMPUS. 
          SO THIS IS THE MAIN PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC COMING SOUTH TO THE GARAGE, AND THAT JUST MADE A NATURAL, UH, POINT FOR THE MAIN VERTICAL CIRCULATION. 
          THE, UH, THE ELEVATOR TOWER IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST ENTRY, AND THAT'S THE MAIN SORT OF VERTICAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT AND WAY FINDING BOTH, UH, EAST AND WEST OFF EAST HOUSTON STREET. 
          AND THEN, UH, ALONG THE NORTH SIDEWALK WE HAVE INTEGRATED, UH, LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS, ROBUST LANDSCAPING STREET TREES WITH A, WITH A VERY, UH, A GENEROUS SIDEWALK. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE WE FOCUSED A LOT OF OUR MATERIALITY THAT YOU SEE ON THE CAMPUS. 
          UM, AND GOING DOWN THE DRIVE, YOU COME OFF FROM EAST HOUSTON STREET AND THERE'S A WAY OUT, DOWN, UH, GALLAGHER ALLEY TO CHERRY STREET TO THE EAST. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND THE WAY THE, THE GARAGE WORKS, IT'S JUST A, A TWO, A TWO-WAY, UH, PARKED RAMP. 
          AND THAT WRAPS UP, UH, SIX LEVELS AT ABOUT 10 FOOT SIX FLOOR TO FLOOR. 
          AND IF YOU GO TO THE ROOFTOP RIGHT HERE, UM, JUST ADDRESSING ONE OF THE STAFF'S COMMENTS, IF WE DO HAVE POLE LIGHTING JUST TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THE ONE FOOT CANDLE, IT WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE CENTER, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE WALL SCONCES AT THE PERIMETER OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND JUST TO AVOID SIGHT LINES OF THAT. 
          AND SO THIS IS THE PRIMARY FACADE. 
          THIS IS OFF EAST HOUSTON STREET. 
          THIS IS THE NORTH FACADE. 
          AND SO, UM, AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS CAME OUT OF THAT PRE-CONSULTATION MEETING, BUT IT'S THE, THE FACADE IS KIND OF BOOKENDED TO THE, TO THE WEST IS THE CONCRETE BOARD FORM STAIR TOWER. 
          AND THEN TO THE EAST IS THE MAIN VERTICAL ELEVATOR TOWER AND ELEVATOR LOBBY STRUCTURE THAT'S COMPRISED OF, UH, CLAY TILE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE, UH, AT THE MERCHANT'S ICE COMPLEX. 
          UH, WE WE'RE CALLING IT THE GLASS JEWEL, WHICH IS THE INTERIOR ELEVATOR LO UH, LOBBY AT EACH LEVEL. 
          AND THEN DOWN AT THE GROUND LEVEL, WE HAVE A CANOPY THAT EXTENDS AND IT WRAPS TOWARDS THE WEST, KIND OF RECEIVING THE PEDESTRIANS COMING ACROSS, UH, EXCUSE ME, ACROSS THE STREET. 
          AND THERE WE'VE KIND OF INTEGRATED SOME GRAPHIC ART POTENTIALLY AS A PLACEHOLDER. 
          AND THEN DOWN THE FACADE WE HAVE CLAY TILE BREEZE BLOCK, UH, SOME OLD S SALVAGE BRICK, POTENTIALLY ALONG THAT FACADE. 
          AND THEN ROBUST LANDSCAPING AND STREET TREES. 
          AND THEN COVERING THE SPANDRELS FROM THE PRECAST GARAGE. 
          WE HAVE SOME SORT OF A METAL PANEL ON, ON METAL FRAME THAT WILL WE, WE SHOW PRECEDENCE LATER ON. 
          AND THIS IS THE EAST FACADE, KIND OF WHERE YOU ENTER THE DRIVE. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF THAT MAIN, UM, CORNER ELEMENT. 
          AND HERE WE PUT, WE FOCUSED OUR ENERGY ON THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE KIND OF COMING DOWN TOWARDS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DOWN SOUTH. 
          UM, WE, UH, WE WANTED A MARCH ALONG TREES, UH, DOWN THE ENTIRE DRIVE AND THEN BOOKEND AGAIN WITH THE CONCRETE BOARD FORM STAIR TOWER AT THE, THE SOUTH END. 
          AND THEN THE SOUTH FACADE, UH, WE WANTED TO UPGRADE AGAIN THE CORNERS WITH THE, BUT WITH THE BOARD FORM CONCRETE AND THE, THE GROUND LEVEL WITH CONCRETE. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THERE'S A MASTER PLAN IN THE FUTURE TO DEVELOP, UM, THE SOUTH, THE THE SITE JUST SOUTH OF THIS. 
          AND THERE'S POTENTIAL CONNECTIVITY TO THIS GARAGE. 
          SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD TOO MUCH ARCHITECTURAL REALITY OR MONEY TO THIS FACADE AS IT MIGHT BE, BE USED TO CONNECT TO ANOTHER GARAGE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THEN THE WEST FACADE, WE, UH, WE REALLY LOOKED AT THIS FROM A SIGHT LINE PERSPECTIVE WHERE YOU PARK JUST EAST OR JUST WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND SPAGHETTI WAREHOUSE IS BLOCKING YOUR VIEW UP TO A CERTAIN POINT. 
          AND SO WE REALLY HONED IN ON WHAT YOU CAN SEE COMING FROM THAT, UH, COMING FROM THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND SO WE FOCUSED SOME OF THE MATERIALITY FROM THE NORTH FACADE. 
          WE WRAPPED IT AROUND UP TO A CERTAIN POINT WHERE IT'S VISIBLE FROM, UH, CERTAIN SITE LINES. 
          AND THEN, UH, AND THEN ONCE YOU PASS THE TRACK, AND YOU CAN SEE DOWN A LITTLE WE'RE, WE'RE MARCHING TREES DOWN THAT, DOWN THAT ENTIRE FACADE AND ROBUST LANDSCAPING. 
          SO THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS DOWNTOWN, COMING FROM THE EAST. 
          AND HERE, I I WANNA MAKE A POINT THAT WE, WE REALLY TOOK OUR CUES FROM THE HEMISPHERE GARAGE WHERE THE EXPERIENCE IS ABOUT THAT DRIVE AT A PEDESTRIAN LEVEL. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING 
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AT EVEN, UH, PLACING THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS GARAGE TO THE WEST AND ADDING A SIDEWALK AND LANDSCAPING ON THE, THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS SLIDE, WHICH IS THE WEST SIDE. 
          AND SO TO CREATE MORE OF LIKE A URBAN STREET ALLEY EXPERIENCE WITH TREES AND LANDSCAPING. 
          AND WE HAVE, UH, CLAY TILE SCREEN WALLS THERE AT THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL AND SORT OF, THIS IS THAT ALLEY EXPERIENCE. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT STUDIES OF PUSHING THIS EVEN MORE TO THE WEST AND ADDING A SIDEWALK ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT THERE WITH LANDSCAPING. 
          AND THIS IS THE, THE PRECEDENT THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT DOWN, UH, AT HEMISPHERE. 
          AND SO THIS IS THE VIEW COMING FROM DOWNTOWN. 
          THIS IS THE VIEW WE, WE REALLY STUDIED TO MAKE SURE HOW, HOW FAR DO WE NEED TO TAKE THE SCREEN AND, AND MASONRY. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, SIGNAGE, MAYBE PAINTED SIGNS, JUST LIKE THE OLD MERCHANT'S ICE COMPLEX THERE ON THE LEFT. 
          AND THIS IS A MATERIALITY BOARD THAT IS UPDATED. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I SENT THAT IN LATE. 
          BUT A LOT OF, A LOT OF WHAT YOU SEE AROUND HERE IS ONE, IT'S, IT'S TAKEN CUES FROM OUR CLAY TILE. 
          WE HAVE OUR, WE HAVE OUR OLD BRICK, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF STEEL AND INDUSTRIALLY. 
          WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE THE BOARD FORM CONCRETE. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIRMAN, THERE IS, UH, ONE VOICEMAIL. 
          I'LL PLAY THAT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          HI, THIS IS LULU FRANCOIS, 8 1 7 NOLAN, AND I'M CALLING IN ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL FOR CASE 1304 FROM O H P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS WE'RE ESPECIALLY CONCERNED MANNER THAT DOES NOT PRODUCE LIGHT POLLUTION AS TO NOT INTERFERE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. 
          WE'RE EXTREMELY EXCITED THAT DEVELOPERS ARE RENOVATING THE MERCHANT ICE HOUSE BUILDING AND THAT THE OTHER RENOVATED THE LUXURY BUILDINGS HAVE AND ARE BEING RENOVATED. 
          UNLIKE AUSTIN THAT DEMOLISHES THEIR HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND HOUSES, SAN ANTONIO AND ITS CITIZENS LOVE THE HISTORY OF NOT JUST THE ALAMO, BUT OF THE BUILDINGS AND HOUSES THAT OUR FOREBEARERS BUILT. 
          AND THOUGH SOME PEOPLE MAY SAY, BUT THIS IS JUST A GARAGE, WE SAY THIS GARAGE HAS THE ABILITY TO REALLY BEGIN THE COMMERCIAL REVITALIZATION ALONG THE STRETCH OF EAST HOUSTON THAT THE MERCHANT ICEHOUSE BUILDING AND THE VELOCITY BUILDINGS HAVE STARTED. 
          PLEASE MAKE SURE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, SO YOU, YOU FROM THE STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT YOU SUBMITTED UPDATED DRAWINGS, I THINK YOU TOOK THAT ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION WITH THE GREEN, THE EVERGREEN, YOU KNOW, TREES, BUT HAVE YOU EXPLORED JUST HAVING STOREFRONT AND HAVING ACTUALLY LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A RETAIL ACTIVITY DOWN THERE? UM, UM, RETAIL FOR THE PROGRAMS DOESN'T REALLY WORK. 
          THE WE ARE, I MEAN, WE'RE PLAYING UP THE, THE CORNER TOWER ELEMENT AS JEREMY SHOWED WHERE THE DOORS THERE, THAT'S GONNA BE A MAIN HUSTLE AND BUSTLE, PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT QUITE REGULARLY. 
          WE'RE CREATING A, A LOW WALL, UH, BOARD FORM ELEMENT OUT FRONT WITH A PLANTER AND SOME ARTWORK. 
          SO WE'RE CREATING SOME SCALING ELEMENTS AND DETAILS. 
          THERE'S A KIND OF ADDRESSED ACTIVATION, UH, BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR THOUGHTS WERE TO REALLY GO WITH THE BREEZE BLOCK. 
          THERE'S SOME CENT A BREEZE BLOCK HISTORICALLY AND IN SOME OF THE NEW ELEMENTS OF THE T R T F CAMPUS RENOVATION THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD ALIGN WITH THAT. 
          AND THERE'S KINDA A TRADITION SAN ANTONIO OF REASONABLE BLOCK MATERIAL USED. 
          SO WE LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          WE LIKE THE MATERIALITY OF IT. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT AVERT, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE, THE GREENERY INTEGRATED WITH THAT AS PART OF THE, UH, THE, UH, SCREENING AND THE SOFTENING OF THE AREA. 
          WE THINK THAT WOULD BE A NICE TOUCH. 
          SO, UH, WE HAVEN'T FULLY ENGAGED OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH THAT PLANNER BID, BUT THAT'S, WE'LL TAKE THE COMMENTS FROM THE CITY AND STAFF, UH, UH, INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE DEVELOP THE, THE, UH, PLAN. 
          AND THEN HOW MANY TOTAL PARKING SPACES? UH, IT'S JUST ABOUT 400. 
          THIS IS JUST FOR LIKE T R F AND SCORPIONS? YEAH. 
          THE CURRENT PARKING DEMAND THERE. 
          AND I KNOW THE LOT THAT'S HERE CURRENTLY. 
          IT'S FULL ALL THE TIME, AND NOW THEY'RE PARKING BEYOND THAT LOT AND, AND WE'RE OVER THERE IN THE COFFEE SHOP. 
          SO WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT URBAN ENERGY HAPPENING. 
          UH, BUT, UH, THE PLAN IS THAT YEAH, THE, THE, THE, THE GARAGE USE PRIMARILY DURING THE DAY FOR OFFICE USE, BUT THE, THE OPPORTUNITY HERE IS UP AND DOWN THE HOUSTON STREET CORRIDOR. 
          UH, THIS GARAGE COULD BE UTILIZED, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE BUSINESS HOURS. 
          WELL, WITH NO RETAIL, THERE'S REALLY NO USE OTHER THAN FOR THE COFFEE SHOP, 
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WHICH I GO EVERY SATURDAY AND YEP. 
          THERE ARE PROBABLY LIKE FIVE CARS IN THAT PARKING LOT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S IT. 
          I MEAN, JUST FIVE CARS. 
          I GO EVERY SATURDAY. 
          I GO PICKLEBALL AT FAIRCHILD PARK. 
          SO I MEAN, LIKE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT THING IS ONE OF MY COMMENTS IS WHERE'S THE RETAIL ACTIVITY TO ATTRACT AND NOT BECOME LIKE THIS DEAD SPACE ON IN THE WEEKENDS? YEAH. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, COMM, COMMISSIONER, FISH, UH, MR. DOUGLAS, I, I EXPECT THE OTHER, UH, STIPULATION THAT I SEE IN HERE THAT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT TROUBLESOME IS THAT THEIR VERTICAL ELEMENTS, THOSE LIKE SCREENING ELEMENTS ADDED TO ALL, UH, THE COMPLETE LENGTH OF EACH FACADE. 
          UM, I, I GATHER YOU'RE FOCUSING THE ATTENTION ON THE PRIMARY FACES AND SPENDING THE BULK OF MONEY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO SPEND THE MONEY. 
          WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR, WE'RE GOING THROUGH PRICING, WE'RE UPDATING PRICING, SO PART OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS A REACTION TO SOME OF THAT. 
          UH, BUT WITH THAT SAID, I THINK WE, WE DO WANNA EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD OTHER ENHANCEMENTS. 
          UH, WE, WE DO FEEL THAT THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AROUND THE GARAGE, WE WERE KIND OF TAKEN, WE WERE OVER AT HEMISPHERE FOR LUNCH LAST WEEK AND WE WERE WALKING OVER THERE AND IT'S KIND OF A, A DUMB AREA, BUT IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING AS A PEDESTRIANS, YOU WALK ALONG THAT GARAGE, YOUR EYE GOES TO THE BRICK, IT GOES TO THE, THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPE THERE, THE, THE PAVING PATTERNS ON THE SIDEWALK, AND THE GARAGE SORT OF GOES AWAY. 
          AND SO PART OF THE THINKING IS TO REALLY HAVE THAT DETAIL AND THAT TEXTURE AND THAT MATERIALITY AROUND THE GARAGE WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS ARE GONNA INTERACT. 
          THE EAST SIDE, THIS LOCATION RIGHT HERE, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MAIN SPINE THAT'LL CONNECT TO THE BIGGER CAMPUS. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION IN THE DESIGN. 
          WE'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY SHIFT THE GARAGE OVER A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAYBE GAIN A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT WE'RE THINKING OF SORT OF AN URBAN ALLEY TYPE STREET SCAPE, AND WE'D LITERALLY LIKE TO MAKE IT SOMETHING SPECIAL. 
          I, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE BREEZE BLOCK IDEA IN THIS CONTEXT. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT'S BETTER IN SOME CASES THAN, THAN WHAT THE GUIDELINES WOULD DIRECT YOU SPECIFICALLY TO IN TERMS OF STOREFRONT. 
          I THINK WE HAD A SIMILAR GARAGE A FEW YEARS AGO WITH THE, MAYBE THE S A SS D HEADQUARTERS WHERE THE ACTIVITY MM-HMM. 
           IS KIND OF ON AN EDGE AND, AND LIMITED. 
          AND THE, THE WAY THE, THE GUIDELINES ARE KIND OF APPLIED TO THAT HAS SOME FLEXIBILITY. 
          UM, I'M, I'M WONDERING IF, IF YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE THE INCLUSION OF SOME, SOME ELEMENTS, SOME VISUAL ELEMENT THAT BREAKS THOSE STRONG HORIZONTAL LINES MM-HMM. 
           FROM A DISTANCE ON THOSE YES. 
          ON THOSE FACADES THAT, THAT DON'T HAVE ANY ARTICULATION OR VERY LIMITED ARTICULATION. 
          NOW I UNDERSTAND KIND OF PUTTING, PUTTING THE REALLY RICH SURFACES MM-HMM. 
          , UH, WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING THEM. 
          UH, BUT I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO EXPLORE SOME, SOME, UH, UH, ENHANCEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, YOU KNOW, THE FULL SCREENS ALL THE WAY AROUND. 
          YEP. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT PLAUSIBLE, BUT, UH, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          UH, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO COMMEND THIS SCHEME AND THE, THE MATERIAL USAGE, UM, I THINK IS VERY THOUGHTFUL, BUT I, NOTHING ACTIVATES MORE THAN PEOPLE MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, AND SO I, I, I REALLY SUPPORT STAFF'S, YOU KNOW, COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY TO GET SOME STOREFRONT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIDE OR A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING IN THAT TO EXTEND, YOU KNOW, THE STOREFRONT EXPERIENCE THAT YOU HAVE MM-HMM. 
           FOR YOUR BUILDING THERE. 
          YEP. 
          UH, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TOWARDS THE TRACKS. 
          UM, BUT ACTUALLY AS, AS A, AS A QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS, HAS, WAS THERE ANY EXPLORATION AS TO, UH, SHADE STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING UP ON THE TOP OF THIS OR PV OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT MIGHT I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. 
          BEGIN TO CAP. 
          I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. 
          THE PARKING AREA, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CLIENT WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE, AND SO I THINK WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH SOME IDEAS ON THAT. 
          UH, BUT THEY HAVE DIRECTED US TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          UH, AND I THINK IT WOULD ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED EARLIER ABOUT THE CAPPING OF THE GARAGE. 
          UH, SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF, OF LOOKING AT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          YOU, I, I'M, I'M WONDERING IF YOU'VE EXPLORED WISH, I IMAGINE YOU HAVE, UH, ELIMINATING THE TOP TIER AND HAVING IT GROW FROM ONE LEVEL LOWER THAN IT IS. 
          THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE TOWER ELEMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE SHORTER. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT, IT TO, TO ME, IT, UM, IT CREATES KIND OF A TUNNEL WITH A, YOU KNOW, AGAINST KNOWING THAT YOUR NORTH IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR NOR YOUR NORTH, UH, EXPOSURE IS BLOCKED, AND NOW THERE'S THIS MASSIVE SOUTH, 
          [02:35:01]
UM, IT, IT, YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE TUNNEL THAT IT CREATES. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, KIND OF KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU'RE IN NORTH STAR MALL AND, AND, AND YOU'RE BETWEEN THE, THE, UH, I GUESS THE SAX BUILDING AND THE, AND THE PARKING GARAGE MM-HMM. 
          , AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU'RE THAT CLOSE, IT, IT, IT'S JUST A PARKING GARAGE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           PARTICULARLY, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RETAIL OR ANYTHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT BECOMES JUST A PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY THAT GREAT OF A GAIN IN THE, IN THE PARKING AT THE TOP LEVEL AS YOU COME BACK THIS WAY, AS YOU GO AWAY, AS YOU GO NORTH, I DON'T THINK YOU LOSE ANYTHING. 
          IT'S AS YOU, AS YOU BEGIN TO COME UP. 
          WHEREAS IF THAT WAS, UH, ELIMINATED, THEN IT WOULD SUBORDINATE THE, THE PARKING STRUCTURE TO THE, WHAT, WHAT REALLY IS THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT, RIGHT? THE RESTORATION PROJECT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , YEAH. 
          WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE SCALE OF THE GARAGE RELATIONSHIP TO THE MERCHANT'S ICE BUILDING, THE FOUR STORY STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE IS, UH, ALIGNED WITH THE MERCHANT'S ICE BUILDING, UH, OF, OF COURSE, THE ELEVATOR TOWERS, THE OVERRIDES ARE NOT, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ELEVATOR ON THE MERCHANT'S ICE BUILDING, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS AS TALL AS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE SCALING ELEMENTS ARE ALIGNED. 
          SO TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT, BUT, UH, WE, I THINK AS LONG AS WE KEEP IT WITHIN THE, UH, BE RESPECTFUL OF THE OLDER HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND KEEP IT ALIGNED IN THAT SCALE, UH, WE FEEL THAT IT, IT'S APPROPRIATE, THE, THE 400 SPACES ARE REALLY ARE PROGRAM REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO SUPPORT THE PARKING NEEDS OF THE OVERALL CAMPUS. 
          SO IT'S A PRETTY CRITICAL, UH, POINT IN THE, IN THE, UH, PRETTY BIG IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO THE PROGRAM OF THE CAMPUS ITSELF. 
          WELL, WELL JUST LIKE, UH, STEPH, COULD YOU GO TO PAGE 17? WELL, WHAT, WHAT I HAVE ON MY SCREEN OVER HERE IS SOMETHING ELSE, 17 OF 25  THERE, THAT ONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SCROLL UP A LITTLE. 
          SO YOU GET BOTH PAGES ON, ON THAT SCREEN. 
          17 AND 18. 
          YEAH. 
          SCROLL UP A LITTLE. 
          I, I'M SORRY. 
          YOU WANT BOTH 17 AND 18? YEAH. 
          IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD GET 'EM BOTH UP ON THE SCREEN AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'LL SCROLL UP TOGETHER. 
          LIKE I, I, I HAVE IT HERE. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          SEE, THO THOSE TWO IMAGES ARE REAL IMPORTANT TO, TO HOW, UH, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS ARE. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR TOWERS, JUST THAT, THAT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE BUILDING, THAT THE, THAT THE PARKING GARAGE, THAT, THAT, ASIDE FROM THE HOUSTON STREET ELEVATION FOR THE TRAIN TRACK ELEVATION, IT'S A PARKING GARAGE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THAT IF IT, IF IT HAD A, UM, A GRADUATION GOING BACK, UH, THAT IT MIGHT OFFER SOME, A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO KIND OF DISSOLVE THE PARKING GARAGE LOOK AND FEEL, WHICH IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT A PARKING GARAGE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, BUT, BUT IT LOSES SOME OF ITS ARCHITECTURAL OPPORTUNITY. 
          JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FROM MY END THAT I WOULD SAY IS A LIMITING, YOU KNOW, EFFORT. 
          BUT, UH, IT DOES TAKE AWAY FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          I THINK THEY COULD PROBABLY DANCE WITH EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT YEAH. 
          I'M NOT THE GUY WITH THE PENCIL ON THE DRAWING BOARD. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THE OTHER, THE OTHER POINT I BRING UP, I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS. 
          THE, THE OTHER POINT I BRING UP IS THE, THE ORIGINAL MERCHANT SIZE BUILDING WITH THE LOADING DOCK. 
          THERE'S LITERALLY A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK THERE, AND THEN THERE'S ABOUT A SIX FOOT PLATFORM FOR THE DOCK. 
          THE BUILDING'S VERY CLOSE TO THE STREET, INCREDIBLY URBAN. 
          THERE'S NO TREES, THERE'S NOTHING. 
          IT'S VERY, INDUSTRIAL TRUCKS WOULD PULL UP TO IT. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY MUCH FURTHER BACK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT MORE DIMENSION. 
          WE'VE PULLED THE BUILDING BACK FURTHER. 
          SO OUR, OUR HOPE IS TO CREATE MORE OF A LANDSCAPE NODE THERE OF SOFTNESS, WHICH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S REALLY LACKING. 
          SO THE INTENTION OF THE TREES, THE ADDED TREES THERE, WHICH THERE REALLY NO TREES IN THIS AREA ON HOUSTON STREET AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE THAT WE THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A REAL GAME CHANGER. 
          LET, LET ME ASK YOU, YOU ANOTHER QUE QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, HAD YOU SAID THAT, THAT THAT, UH, CAN WE GET TO SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE, THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU SCH YES. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          UM, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY FOLLOW UP IF EVERYBODY HAS ANY OTHER, I'LL DO A FOLLOW UP, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT SLIDE 17 MM-HMM. 
           AND TO THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. 
          SO ACTUALLY ON SLIDE 17, YOU HAVE FOUR CARS, AND CURRENTLY IT'S ONLY A TWO, IT'S ONE LANE EACH WAY. 
          UM, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT, AND YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK PLUS THE PLATFORM AND, AND, AND YOUR BUILDING. 
          THEY STATE THE COFFEE SHOP, THERE'S BARELY ROOM FOR A CAR 
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TO PARK, RIGHT, RIGHT THERE IN FRONT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IS THERE ANY WAY, HAVE YOU, I MEAN, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN OPEN IT UP MORE? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S BACK AGAIN TO LIKE, IF WE'RE NOT CREATING RETAIL YEAH. 
          WE'RE RIGHT AGAINST THE STREET. 
          HOW DO YOU GET OUT OF THAT ALLEY AND NOT BLOCK TRAFFIC OR, I MEAN, YOU CAN BARELY GET OUT OF THE COFFEE SHOP WHEN YOU'RE PARKED RIGHT THERE TO GO LEFT BECAUSE IT'S SO NARROW AND IF THERE'S CARS COMING, THERE'S NO LIGHT FOR THE LIGHT'S FURTHER UP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DO SEE THAT LIKE YEP. 
          LIABILITY WITH PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          NO, THOSE ARE VERY GOOD CONCERNS. 
          WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH PAW RIGHT NOW AND THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED BY THE PERMIT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT FUNCTIONS RIGHT. 
          IT OPERATES RIGHT. 
          BOTH PEDESTRIAN VEHICLE. 
          UH, I THINK THE KEY FROM THE FINDINGS IS THAT THE GALLAGHER ALLEY'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT. 
          AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO MEANS TO GET TO THIS GARAGE. 
          THERE'S GALLAGHER ALLEY, WHICH ACCESSES CHERRY, AND THEN THERE'S THE, THE ACCESS OFF OF HOUSTON STREET. 
          NOBODY WILL ACCESS EXIT CHERRY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A DIRECT TO THE HIGHWAY. 
          RIGHT? YOU'D RATHER EXIT EAST HOUSTON TO GET ON A HIGHWAY AND LEAVE. 
          WELL, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE MOST OF US TAKE NOLAN. 
          'CAUSE NOLAN'S THE, WITH THE TRAIN STOPPING A LOT, THAT NOLAN'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT EVERYBODY KINDA WORKS OVER HERE. 
          THAT'S THE WAY YOU TAKE TO GO HOME IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH OR SOUTH, I GUESS. 
          BUT, UM, BUT GALLAGHER ALLEY, UH, GIVES, GETS YOU THE CHERRY PRETTY EASILY, UH, AND IT PROVIDES, UH, A GOOD FLOW OUT. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE EXPLORING THE FLOW OF THE TRAFFIC, UH, OUT OF THE GARAGE, UH, UH, TO GALLAGHER RALLY. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE EXIT, YOU JUST GO OUT GALLAGHER ALLEY TO CHERRY. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT WE CAN AGREE THAT EAST HOUSTON IS JUST TWO LANES, IT'S NOT FOUR. 
          UH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, ON THAT SAME PAGE THAT WE WERE ON THE 17, UM, 18 AT 25, THE NOW ON THE, I GUESS THAT'S THE SOUTH SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING, THE NEW BUILDING, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , YOU HAVE A CAMPUS THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO, YOU FURTHER DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , I IS THERE, OR, OR LET ME PUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT I, IN, IN TERMS OF CARVING OUT SPACE, RIGHT? IF, IF THE FACADE OF THAT BUILDING, IF IT'S NOT ALREADY ALIGNED WITH THE LITTLE BUILDING THAT, THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S THERE MM-HMM. 
          , THIS IS THE COFFEE HOUSE, IT, IT MIGHT ALLEVIATE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT, WHAT I'M GETTING A SENSE OF IS, UH, A TUNNELING THAT DOESN'T EXIST MM-HMM. 
          , RIGHT? SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA ELIMINATE BY PULLING IT BACK IF, IF YOU'RE NOT STEPPING THE BUILDING UP. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF IT'S JUST A TALL BUILDING MM-HMM. 
           TO CONSIDER THAT. 
          I, I THINK JUST, JUST IN THE SOFTENING OF IT, THAT IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE THE BUILDING FURTHER BACK, PROVIDE A A, A LARGER FRONT SCAPE. 
          RIGHT. 
          CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW WHAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE LOADING DOCK ACROSS THE STREET? YEAH. 
          WE'RE OUR PROPERTY LINE, WE'RE BUILT OUT TO PROPERTY LINE TO THE BACK. 
          SO YOU YOU DON'T OWN THE LAND SIDE? THE WE'RE THE PROPERTY LINE SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YOU'RE PLANNING ON OWNING? NO, WE'RE ON THE, WE'RE ON THE BACK PROPERTY LINE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE BUILT ON THE LINE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ASKED SOME VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          SOME QUESTIONS THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT, PRIMARILY THE TRAFFIC FLOW INTO THE GARAGE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE ENTRY OF THE GARAGE OFF OF HOUSTON STREET, UH, I THINK THAT NEEDS SOME ATTENTION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UH, CONGESTION AT HOUSTON STREET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, GOING TO MY, I GUESS MY PRIORITY CONCERNS ON THIS, UM, MR. DOUGLAS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS ON THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDE, AND STAFF HAS COMMENTED THAT THEY DO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ALSO COMMENTED ON THAT. 
          AND I WILL, UM, ALSO ADD MY, MY 2 CENTS HERE IN THAT, IN TERMS OF PRIORITY, I THINK THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY AND THAT FACE THE WEST ELEVATION IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHEN YOU'RE AT THE, WHEN YOU'RE ON HOUSTON AND YOU'VE JUST CLEARED THE BUILDING, UH, YOU SEE THAT ENTIRE LOT AND THEN THE VACANT LOT BEYOND IT, SO YOU HAVE A CLEAR VIEW AND, UH, VIEW PORT OF THAT ENTIRE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO, UH, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THE ELEVATION NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AGAIN, NOT, UM, NOT AS EXTENSIVELY AS OBVIOUSLY THE FRONT, THE NORTH ELEVATION, BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          NOW, GOING TO THE EAST ELEVATION, THAT CHARACTER IS DIFFERENT ALTOGETHER. 
          THAT'S THE PEDESTRIAN ALLEY THAT TIES IN WITH THE, UH, MERCHANTS ICE HOUSE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE, UH, LET'S SEE, THE PRECEDENT THAT YOU SHOW IS THE HEMISPHERE 
          [02:45:01]
CORRECT GARAGE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT DOES MAKE THIS SOMEWHAT BEARABLE, WALKING ALONGSIDE THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          I WALK THIS WAY FREQUENTLY AND, UM, I TRY TO GET THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE I'M IN THE ALLEY IN THE BACK OF HOUSE. 
          BUT WHAT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE FOR A PEDESTRIAN IS THE FACT THAT, AGAIN, WE HAVE WHAT LOOKS TO BE RETAIL FRONTAGE, RETAIL STOREFRONT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ENTRYWAYS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE ACTIVATED LATER. 
          BUT ALSO THE SIDEWALK EXPERIENCE IS PARTIALLY UNDER THE PORTICO OF THE GARAGE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           SO YOU DON'T SEE THE GARAGE. 
          SO I, YEAH. 
          UH, I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT, UM, DIFFERENT WAYS TO ADDRESS THE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, BECAUSE THEY BOTH CALL FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, YEAH, THOSE ARE GREAT, GREAT COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I THINK THOSE THAT COULD HELP, UM, GUIDE YOU IF YOU JUST REALIZE THAT THERE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT SETTINGS MM-HMM. 
          , SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND I THOUGHT I HAD A QUESTION. 
          UM, OH, YEAH. 
          WHAT IS THE FIRST PLATE HEIGHT, OR LET'S SAY, UH, TOP OF STEEL OR, UH, I DON'T KNOW, TOP OF SOMETHING, YOUR FIRST FLOOR? WHAT'S YOUR FIRST FLOOR CLEAR SPACE FOR ONE, ONE FLOOR UP? NO, JUST THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          WHAT IS THE CLEAR OCCUPANCY SPACE OF YOUR FIRST FLOOR? WHERE'S THE CEILING OR THE UNDERSIDE OF THE CONCRETE? UM, THE, THE, THE, THE DECK IS, UH, IS IT TEN THREE DECK? YEAH. 
          SO IT'S, UH, FINISH FLOOR TO FINISH FLOOR IS 10 FOOT SIX, AND THEN WE HAVE EIGHT INCHES OF CONCRETE, AND THEN OUR 23 INCH OR 24 INCH DOUBLE T BURGER. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THAT GROUND FLOOR, TO HAVE THE KIND OF CLEARANCE THAT AT SOME POINT YOU CAN MAKE THAT RETAIL. 
          AND SO ANYWAY, I'LL KEEP THOSE COMMENTS FOR AFTER A MOTION IS MADE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, , JUST BEAR IN MIND, THIS IS A, UM, APPLICATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT TO WORK WITH HERE, AND I THINK MR. MR. DOUGLAS HAS INDICATED THAT THEY'RE STILL EXPLORING A LOT OF THINGS. 
          SO I WOULD, UH, MOVE, UH, FOR APPROVAL WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I'LL SECOND MOTION IS SECOND NOW DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, AS, AS STATED, I THINK, UM, THERE'S BEEN AN INDICATION THAT THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SERIOUS AND, AND, UM, UM, SINCERE, YOU KNOW, EXPLORATION STILL GOING ON. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME, LIKE I SAID, A LOT TO COMMEND THIS, UH, VERY THOUGHTFUL, PARTICULARLY I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE BOARD FORM CONCRETE BEING USED IN SORT OF THE SERVICE SIDE OF THE BUILDING MM-HMM. 
          , JUST LIKE IT IS HISTORICALLY ON THE, ON THE OTHER, UH, EXISTING BUILDINGS THERE. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, STILL QUITE A BIT OF, UH, TWEAKING TO BE DONE, BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK FOR A CONCEPTUAL, UH, LEVEL OF DESIGN, I CAN SUPPORT THIS. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, AND AS THE SECOND MR. CHAIR, I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SAID. 
          UM, I'VE MENTIONED IN THE D R C I AM TICKLED TO SEE PARKING IN OUR DISTRICT AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA. 
          SO I THINK IT'LL MAKE A GREAT, GREAT CONTRIBUTION, BUT IT WOULD BE IDEAL IF IT WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND, BECAUSE I THINK THAT AREA CAN REALLY EXPLODE WITH COMMERCE AND, AND SAFE, SAFE FOOT TRAFFIC. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS AS WELL. 
          UH, I WAS ON THE D R C AND WAS, UM, ENCOURAGED BY WHAT I, WHAT WE SAW. 
          UH, I THINK, UH, HAVING A FULLY GLASS, UH, ELEVATOR TOWER WILL REALLY ACTIVATE THE, THAT CORNER OF THE BUILDING. 
          UH, HAVING THE LANDSCAPE PORTIONS ON, ON TWO SIDES, UH, WHERE PEDESTRIANS ARE GOING, I THINK WILL, WILL HELP. 
          UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT AT THE D D R C IS PUT INTO THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF LOOKING AT THE, THE, ESPECIALLY THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND AS YOU EXPLORE THAT, UH, I ASSUME THESE CONCRETE SPANDRELS ARE PRECAST MM-HMM. 
          . 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, UH, IF VERTICAL ELEMENTS APPLIED TO THOSE IS NOT, UH, UH, IN THE DESIGN CONCEPT OR THE, THE BUDGET, YOU MIGHT LOOK AT, UH, CASTING DETAILS MM-HMM. 
           INTO THAT CONCRETE YEP. 
          THAT, UH, BASICALLY ENLIVEN THOSE BIG SPANS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION AS WELL. 
          UM, AND IT WOULD KIND OF GO ALONG WITH THE BOARD FORM CONCRETE, BE A LITTLE MORE REFINED THAN THE BOARD FORM, BUT, UH, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO, TO 
          [02:50:01]
EXPLORE. 
          SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UH, WELL, I, HOW MANY OF YOU SUPPORTING THE MOTION? BUT I, I DO THINK THAT IN THE, IN THE LENGTH OF THE, OF THE PARKING GARAGE, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE SOME VERTICAL INTERRUPTIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          IT, IT, FOR ME, IT DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH FROM BEING A PARKING GARAGE, WHICH IN, IN DRAWING FORM, UM, IT, IT, IT'S, UM, I THINK MORE INTERESTING THAN IT'S GONNA BE IN, IN BUILDING FORM, UNLESS THOSE LONG SECTIONS ARE BROKEN UP SOMEHOW. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU, YOU, THEY HAVE NATURAL BREAKS MM-HMM. 
           NATURAL OPPORTUNITIES. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO BE FULL LENGTH SCREENS. 
          UM, BUT EVEN JUST IN THE LOSS OF, OF, OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SILHOUETTE THAT THAT LENGTH IS GONNA HAVE. 
          UM, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S JUST A PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND WE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, A PARKING GARAGE COULD BE JUST ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE. 
          UH, SO I ENCOURAGE THAT, THAT IN THE COMEBACK, THAT IN THOSE LENGTHS THAT IT'S NOT JUST BROKEN UP LIKE THIS, BUT THAT, THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR NOT TO JUST DROP, BUT, BUT FOR IT TO HAVE SOME, SOME, SOME SILHOUETTE, UM, DRAWN FROM THAT COMMUNITY. 
          BUT, BUT MOST DEFINITELY IN THOSE LENGTHS TO, TO, TO, TO HAVE THOSE LONG FACADES DETAILED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, YES, I'LL, UM, SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT OF CHANGES. 
          I AM REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. 
          I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. 
          EVEN MENTIONING YOU SAY, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA GO TO NOLAN, WELL, THAT'S TURNING OUT OF THE GARAGE, TRYING TO TAKE A RIGHT TURN ON EAST HOUSTON. 
          PEOPLE COMING ACROSS, I MEAN, LIKE, I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT CONGESTION THAT IT'S GONNA CREATE AT WHATEVER RUSH YOU WANNA CALL IT, NINE TO FIVE HOURS FOR THIS BUILDING. 
          AND I'M, AND I'M SAD TO SEE THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY ACTIVITY IN THE WEEKENDS, WHICH IS ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN I GO THERE, . 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT RETAIL ACTIVITY, WHICH I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BOOM IN THE WEEKDAYS TOO, BECAUSE I THINK THE EMPLOYEES ACTUALLY NEED SOMETHING NEARBY. 
          UM, AND THEN, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALSO THAT STUDY OF REALLY VISUAL, BUT A CLEAR ONE, NOT, YOU KNOW, SHOWING ME THE TWO LANES, SHOWING ME EXACTLY WHAT'S IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND THE SHADE AND, AND, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY TIGHT ALREADY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE TODAY IS NOT REALLY REALISTIC. 
          I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD STILL EXPLORE ONE FLOOR LESS. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK WE COULD PROVIDE SOME GOOD PEDESTRIAN PERSPECTIVES IN THAT AREA FROM THE COFFEE SHOP KIND OF COMING DOWN THE STREET. 
          I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL TO KIND OF SEE IT THAT WAY. 
          THAT THAT'S, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BEFORE FINAL TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY THAT STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WERE DOING, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER, I THINK IT SHOULD BE ADDED. 
          I MEAN, IT'S IN THE STIPULATION AS WELL IS THE WEST ELEVATION, I THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK COMMISSIONER SAVINA HAD A GOOD POINT ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, AS YOU DEVELOP THIS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS REQUEST COMING BACK TO D R C TO GET FURTHER. 
          WE'LL DO THAT FURTHER, FURTHER. 
          WE'LL DEFINITELY DO THAT. 
          YEP. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? I, I HAD ONE, I HAD ONE COMMENT THAT YOU COULD, UM, IN CONSIDERING BREAKING UP THESE LONG SPANDRELS MM-HMM. 
           THAT YOU CONSULT WITH AN ARTIST TO MAYBE GIVE YOU SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW YOU MIGHT INCORPORATE AN OVERALL DESIGN THAT PERHAPS IS, IS ETCHED INTO IT, OR, OR CAST INTO IT, BUT, BUT NOT FROM AN ARCHITECT'S PERSPECTIVE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BUT FROM AN SURE. 
          ARTIST'S PER PERSPECTIVE. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT COMMENT. 
          WE HAVE LOOKED AT SOME PRECEDENTS WITH ART INTEGRATION WITH GARAGES LIKE THIS, AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND YOU HAD MADE THAT COMMENT, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN I THINK WE DID THE INITIAL SHOWING. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING . 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 17. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 15 8 75 EAST ASHBY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A TOTAL OF FOUR WALL-MOUNTED SIGNS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS FOR AN APPROXIMATE TOTAL OF 320 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SIGNAGE 
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BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE, THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A MONUMENT SIGN NEAR THE FRONT ENTRANCE IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED SOUTH ELEVATION SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDING C, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION, DRAWINGS AND SIGNAGE SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          AND AS A CASE COMMENT, ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN FOR FUTURE SIGNAGE ON THE PROPERTY THAT RESULTS IN UNIFORM SIGNAGE FOR EACH TENANT SPACE. 
          AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS WITH US IN PERSON, ASHLEY FAIRMONT. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON OR EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          NICE TO SEE YOU ALL. 
          UM, ASHLEY FAIRMONT KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMONT 1 0 1 0 1 REUNION PLACE. 
          I DO HAVE A, A QUICK PRESENTATION. 
          I DON'T, I KNOW IT'S LATE. 
          I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF ANYBODY'S TIME. 
          SORRY. 
          UH, WHILE RACHEL FINDS THAT, UM, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT THIS IS THE, THE BORDEN PROJECT. 
          THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU ALL, MANY TIMES NOW FOR THE APARTMENTS, UH, FOR THE BORDEN BUILDING. 
          AND THE, THE CREAMERY BUILDING IS NOW IT'S KNOWN. 
          AND THEN I THINK MOST RECENTLY, UM, THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THE CREAMERY BUILDING AS WELL AS THE RETAIL SPACE, UH, THAT'S BEING ADDED TO, ITS, ITS REAR. 
          UM, SO, SO HERE'S JUST AN AERIAL OF, OF THE OVERALL AREA. 
          THE 8 75 EAST ASHBY IS MARKED ON THAT, UH, GOOGLE IMAGE. 
          AND, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CREAMERY BUILDING IS. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY IS, UM, AND I THINK IT'S EXCITING THAT THEY HAVE TENANTS NOW FOR THAT BUILDING, FOR THAT OFFICE SPACE. 
          UH, TWO LOCAL LAW FIRMS, CARIN SHAW AND WATTS GARRA WILL BE MOVING INTO THE BUILDING. 
          THEY'LL TAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING. 
          THERE'S OVER ABOUT 300 EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, 70% PLUS OF THE BUILDING SPACE WILL BE OCCUPIED BY THE TWO FIRMS. UH, AND SO WHAT'S CONCERNING IN, IN, AND WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY IS TO ASK FOR THAT SIGNAGE THAT YOU CAN SEE AND THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING. 
          UH, AND SO THERE, THERE ARE TWO SIGNS OR TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING. 
          IT'S AT, I DON'T WANNA SAY TWO FRONTS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET IN FROM THE 2 81 SIDE, BUT TWO VERY VISIBLE, UM, FACES OF THAT BUILDING. 
          CAN I CONTROL IT? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IT DIDN'T WORK. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, SO JUST, JUST STARTING AND, AND THANKS RACHEL FOR HER REPORT, BUT AS, AS SHE MENTIONED, UM, THE FRONT, THE SIGNAGE FRONTING, OR THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING, FRONTING ON 2 81, UH, STAFF IS SUPPORTING THAT SIGNAGE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN HERE ON THIS. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM 2 81 CAN GO TO THE NEXT. 
          SO THAT WAS THE CARIN SHAW SIGN, AND THIS IS THE WATTS GARRA SIGN. 
          UM, AND, AND IT WILL BE ON THAT, THAT FACADE OF THE BUILDING. 
          BUT IT IS DIFFICULT TO SEE UNLESS YOU COMPLETELY TURN YOUR HEAD IF YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS THE BUILDING. 
          NOW, IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH ON 2 81, IT'S A BIT MORE VISIBLE. 
          UM, BUT FOR CLIENTS, UH, THAT COME TO THE BUILDING AND ALSO THESE, THESE TYPE OF LAW FIRMS BOTH HAVE A LOT OF NEGOTIATIONS, MEDIATIONS, UH, DEPOSITIONS. 
          SO THERE ARE COURT REPORTERS, THERE ARE EXPERTS, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING TO THE OFFICE. 
          SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHERE, WHERE TO GO. 
          UH, SO THAT, SO THAT WAS WHERE THE SIGNAGES ON 2 81. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT'S MORE AT ISSUE NOW IS, UM, THE SIGNS THAT FRONT ASHBY, UM, PHRASING TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND SO AGAIN, UM, YEAH, SO THESE WERE TAKEN TODAY. 
          UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL ON GOOGLE WHAT'S THERE NOW, BUT THIS IS WHAT IS THERE NOW IN TERMS OF THE CREAMERY BUILDING, UH, OR THE FORMER BORDEN BUILDING. 
          AND, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE SIGNAGE THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT, UH, WATTS, GURA AND CARAVAN SHAW ARE IN THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AT THE SAME TIME, OBVIOUSLY BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THAT BUILDING, UM, AND MAKING SURE THE SIGNAGE ISN'T TOO LARGE. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THAT THE BIGGEST CONCERN FROM STAFF WAS, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BUILDING, THE REED STUCCO THAT, YOU KNOW, BANDS ALONG THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. 
          DO WE HAVE THE NEXT ONE? SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. 
          UH, WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THE CARIN SHAW SIGN, AND THAT'S ABOUT 112 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THEN THE WATTS GARRA SIGNAGE, WHICH IS ABOUT 77 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT, THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SO, SO WHAT WE DID AFTER SEEING STAFF'S REPORT, WE LOOKED AT A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS AND, AND I'LL SHOW YOU ZOOMED IN, I KNOW THIS IS HARD TO READ, UM, BUT THE TOP IMAGE, THE TOP ELEVATION, UM, SHOWS REDUCED SIGNAGE. 
          SO IN TERMS OF SIZE, SO WE TOOK THE SIGNAGE THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION AND REDUCED IT DOWN BY ABOUT 15%. 
          UM, SO NOW YOU HAVE, UM, THE CARIB AND SHAW SIGN, UH, WHICH IS LESS THAN A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THEN THE WATTS GARA SIGN, WHICH IS ABOUT 65 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THEN THE IMAGE ON THE BOTTOM AFTER READING STAFF'S REPORT THAT CAME OUT REGARDING THAT THE READED STUCCO, UM, MOVE THOSE SIGNS DOWN, UM, SO THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER BLOCKING THAT FEATURE OF THE BUILDING. 
          THE NEXT ONE, UH, AND SO THIS, YOU CAN HOPEFULLY SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE BOTTOM, UH, THE, THE TOP SHOWS THE REDUCTION IN SIZE AND THE BOTTOM IS WHERE WE SHIFTED THEM, UM, FURTHER DOWN ON THE BUILDING, THE NEXT SLIDE. 
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UH, AND SO THESE ARE ALSO JUST IMAGES OF WHERE THOSE SIGNS WOULD BE. 
          SO THEY WOULD BE ON THE, WE'LL CALL IT THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, IN THESE TWO LOCATIONS. 
          AND THEN, THEN NEXT, UH, AND SO THERE, THERE WAS MENTION IN STAFF COMMENT REGARDING MONUMENT SIGNAGE. 
          UM, I WANTED TO SHOW THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT EXISTS BETWEEN THE 10 TOP APARTMENTS AND THE BORDEN BUILDING. 
          UM, THERE'S REALLY NO ROOM HERE FOR A MONUMENT SIGN. 
          UH, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT OF THE BOARD AND BUILDING IT, IT SITS ON THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          CAN YOU JUMP TWO SLIDES? SORRY. 
          YEAH, SO HERE'S, UM, I THINK YOU GUYS SAW THIS WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE, THE RETAIL PORTION AND BEHIND THE BUILDING, BUT THE BUILDING, THE, THE CREAMER E BOARD AND BUILDING SITS ON THAT PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO HAVING A MONUMENT SIGN IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, ONE WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO READ, BUT TWO, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY ROOM TO DO THAT. 
          THE BUILDING ALSO IS SET UP FROM THE GROUND, SO HOW TALL YOU BUILD A MONUMENT SIGN, EVEN IF YOU COULD FIT IT, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT, HOW THAT WOULD WORK. 
          UM, SO THE PREFERRED OPTION WOULD BE TO DO THE SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING IN, IN A LOCATION THAT WE THINK, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU ALL WOULD SUPPORT. 
          UH, AND THEN YOU CAN GO BACK ONE, SORRY, LAST SLIDE. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S ALSO COMMENTS FROM STAFF REGARDING A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN, UH, THAT IS IN THE WORKS. 
          UM, THIS IS JUST AN IDEA OF THE, THE REALLY, THE MOST SIGNS THAT WOULD BE ON THE BUILDING. 
          SO THE, THE TOP IS THE NORTH ELEVATION FROM 2 81. 
          SO YOU HAVE THE TWO LAW FIRM SIGNS ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN SOME SIGNAGE POTENTIALLY AT TWO DOORS ON, ON THE BACK. 
          UM, THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL. 
          AND THEN THE ASHBY OR SOUTH ELEVATION ON THE SOUTH, UM, WOULD BE THE TWO LAW FIRM SIGNS AGAIN. 
          AND THEN IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING, UH, THERE USED TO BE A BORDEN'S SIGN, UM, ON THE BUILDING. 
          AND SO I THINK THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU WITH A PROPOSAL TO DO, UM, A CREAMERY SIGN INSTEAD OF BORDEN SIGN. 
          UH, AND SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE TWEAKS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO MAKE THE, THE SIGNAGE, I THINK MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE BUILDING. 
          BUT I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE SOUTH, UH, THE ASHBY ELEVATION AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE TWO LAW FIRM SIGNS THEMSELVES. 
          IT'S SUCH A SYMMETRICALLY COMPOSED BUILDING, OR IF NOT IDENTICALLY SYMMETRICAL. 
          IT'S, IT'S A VERY BALANCED PRESENTATION OF THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, YOU KNOW, CENTERED AROUND THAT CENTER TOWER ELEMENT IS THE PLACEMENT OF THE LAW FIRM NAMES BASED UPON WHERE THEY'RE AT PHYSICALLY IN THE BUILDING. 
          AND IS THAT WHY THE TWO LAW FIRM NAMES ARE SHIFTED TO THE LEFT SIDE OR THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE, OF THE TOWER? YEAH. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS SANDRA AND I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH CARVAN SHAW. 
          SO I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, WHERE WE'LL BE, AND THAT IS CORRECT. 
          WATTS GURA ON THE TOP AND CARVAN SHAW'S ON THE BOTTOM, UH, A FLOOR. 
          SO WE'RE ON THE TOP FLOOR. 
          UH, BOTTOM FLOOR IS CARVAN SHAW WATS GURA ON THE TOP FLOOR. 
          AND, BUT IS THAT ACROSS THE BOARD THROUGH THE ENTIRE FIRST LEVEL AND SECOND LEVEL, OR IS THAT, IS THAT 30% REMAINING ON THE RIGHT SIDE GOING TO BE ANOTHER TENANT? AND THERE'S, WE OCCUPY 70% OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO THERE IS SPACE FOR ANOTHER TENANT, BUT FLOOR ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR, YEAH. 
          LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WOULD IT WORK CONCEPTUALLY IN IDENTIFYING AND IN NAVIGATION AND ALL THE OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU, YOU, UH, MENTIONED TO JUSTIFY THE SIGNAGE, TO PUT THE TWO LAW FIRMS NAMES ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT CENTER AXIS TO HELP BALANCE THE COMPOSITION? I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          IT TOOK US A LITTLE WHILE TO GET TO THE, UM, ACTUALLY MAYBE THAT THE CHAIRMAN JUST ANSWERED THE QUESTION WITH A, WITH A, THERE'S A BIG TREE. 
          THE, THE, THE MINIE TREE IS THERE. 
          UM, AND THAT IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S A DESIGNATED HISTOR. 
          I DON'T DUNNO IF YOU CAN DESIGNATE A TREE HISTORIC, BUT, UM, IT IS A HISTORIC TREE . 
          AND SO THE CONCERN IS THE VISIBILITY WHEN YOU TURN, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND THAT'S WHY PHOTOGRAPHS ARE GREAT. 
          AND THESE, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROOVE. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK, UM, MS. MUND DID A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION. 
          I'LL DO A MOTION. 
          I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          UH, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE UPDATED ASHBY ELEVATION? AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, WORKING TO REDUCE THE SIZE AND WORKING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING OF THE, UM, BUILDING AND WONDERING IF IT COULDN'T, LOOKING AT THIS COULDN'T BE, UH, ADJUSTED JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          THERE'S SOME VERY STRONG VERTICAL, UH, ELEMENTS BETWEEN THE WINDOWS ON THE FACADE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND COULD 
          [03:05:01]
THE TWO SIGNS BE CENTERED OVER A COUPLE OF THOSE VERTICAL COLUMNS? I, I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR, FOR THE SIGN BE, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A, THE SIGN PROFESSIONAL, BUT I THINK WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT THE SIGNS ARE THERE. 
          SO I THINK IF WE NEED TO SHIFT THEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I GOT YES. 
          A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          WHEN, WHEN, UH, WHEN, WHEN Y'ALL ADVISE THAT THE SIGNS BE LOWERED OUT OF THE DETAIL, OUT OF THE, I GUESS LET'S SAY A DENTAL DETAIL OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THAT, WAS THAT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS YOUR PERCEPTION THAT IT WAS INTERRUPTING IT? UM, I MEAN, BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT, IT COULD BE, UH, UM, SENSIBLE TO SAY THAT THE LETTERS PENETRATING NOT, NOT COVERING, BUT ENTERING INTO THE SPACE OF THE LINE ACTUALLY ENHANCES THE LINE MORE THAN TRYING TO FIT THE LETTER INSIDE OF THE BANNER. 
          AND I ONLY SAY BECAUSE AS YOU'VE SCALED DOWN THE LETTER, AS YOU'VE ASKED THEM TO SCALE DOWN THE LETTER, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A, LIKE A SOLID ANCHOR IN THE GROUND THAT THAT SAYS NO, IT'S ABSOLUTELY, STAFF BELIEVES IT'S ABSOLUTELY GONNA LOOK BETTER IF IT'S COMPLETELY RELEGATED TO THIS EMPTY BAND. 
          SURE. 
          SO PER THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, SIGNAGE SHOULD NOT OBSCURE ANY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. 
          UM, AND WE CONSIDER THE REED STUCCO TO BE A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UH, HENCE STAFF STIPULATION THAT, UM, THE SIGNAGE NOT INTERFERE WITH THAT DETAIL. 
          BUT ALSO STAFF STIPULATION WAS THAT THE WALL-MOUNTED SIGNAGE PROPOSED ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION WERE REMOVED FROM THE PROPOSAL, AND INSTEAD A MONUMENT SIGN WERE INSTALLED IN ITS PLACE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT NOW, BUT I'M ONLY TALKING WITH PER, WITH RESPECT TO THE UPPER BANDS. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL LEAVE FURTHER COMMENT FOR, UH, DISCUSSION. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION? OH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER FISH? UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I'M JUST READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF COMMISSIONER GROOVE. 
          DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANNA TAKE, OKAY, SORRY. 
          UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, AS RE AS REQUESTED, SPECIFICALLY APPROVAL OF ALTERNATE B PRESENTED HERE TODAY, UH, WITH THE REDUCED SIGNAGE THAT IS SHIFTED BENEATH THE READED DETAIL, AND ALSO THAT EACH OF THE TWO SIGNS BE ADJUSTED TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT TO BE CENTERED EITHER OVER, UH, THE CENTER OF A WINDOW BAY OR A COLUMN GRID SO THAT THEY HAVE SOME SYMMETRY ABOUT THE FACADE. 
          I'LL SECOND MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION IF, IF THE MAKER DOESN'T HAVE A, UH, COMMENT. 
          I, I'M, I FEEL, UH, I THINK IT'S A STRONGER, UM, IMAGE, UH, THAT THE SIGN IS NOT FORCED ABOVE, UH, THOSE, UM, BUTTRESSES, UM, THAT, THAT IT MAY CAUSE THE LETTER TO GET ABOVE INTO THE, INTO THE, THE, THE, THE LITTLE DENTALS. 
          BUT I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A, UH, A QUALIFIABLE RULE THAT IT FITS INSIDE OF HERE. 
          SOMEHOW IT LOOKS BETTER 'CAUSE IT, TO ME IT LOOKS FORCED AND IT, AND, AND BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE GROUND, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PERCEIVE ANY DIMENSION BETWEEN, UH, THOSE BUTTRESSES AND THE BOTTOM OF THE CHANNEL OF THE LETTER, SO THAT IF THE LETTER IS THE SIZE THAT IT SHOULD BE, THEN FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THERE SHOULD BE, UH, AN AMOUNT OF SPACE BETWEEN THAT BUTTRESS AND THE BOTTOM OF THE LETTER. 
          AND IF THAT MEANS PUSHING THE LETTER UP A LITTLE BIT, THEN IT'S JUST, LET'S CALL IT NUDGING IT TO FIND THE PERFECT SPOT. 
          AND THAT IF IT PASSES INTO THE DENTAL, IT, IT, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BRINGS IT IN. 
          IT, IT, IT CREATES AN INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE LETTER AND THE, AND THE, AND THE BLANK SPACE AND THE DENTAL. 
          SO I, I, I WOULD JUST ASK, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER THAT OR TO LOOK AT THAT, UM, AS AN OPTION AGAINST FORCING THE LETTER AS LOW AS IT CAN GET. 
          WHERE, WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TRYING TO SIT ON TOP OF THE BUTCHERS. 
          MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER GRU? YEAH, AND I MEAN, UH, JUST, UH, TO THE MOTION MAKER, THERE WAS ALSO STIPULATION THAT, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN. 
          CAN WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE MOTION? UM, HAPPY TO AMEND TO INCLUDE THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? 
          [03:10:01]
HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 18. 
          AGENDA ITEM 18, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 41. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITH REPLACEMENT PLANS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH I. 
          THE APPLICANT IS NOT SATISFIED THE DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS FOR DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK AND THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE IF THE H D R C FINDS THE APPLICATION TO BE COMPLETE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. 
          AND THE APPLICANT, CLAUDIA DAVALOS IS WITH, WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          MS. DAVALOS, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          HELLO, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, YES, SORRY. 
          UM, WELL, YEAH, WE, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO REQUEST, UM, WELL, NOT REALLY RIGHT NOW, THE REQUEST OF DEMOLITION, BUT WE WERE, UH, WE HAD THE MEETING, I GUESS, UH, LAST WEEK. 
          AND THE OWNERS, UM, THEY WERE TRYING TO SEE, WE COULD DO LIKE A PARTIAL, I GUESS, DEMOLITION, UM, SINCE, AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE OVER THERE OF THE PICTURES, UM, THIS HOUSE GOT BURNT AND THEY'RE ALSO TRYING, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TRYING TO DO AT THE BEGINNING, I GUESS SOME FOURPLEX OVER THERE. 
          BUT, UM, NOW THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT THESE PICTURES AND EVERYTHING AND WE, UM, I TALKED TO RACHEL AND SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS OVER THERE THAT YOU GUYS HAD SOME INCENTIVES IF THEY WERE TRYING TO REBUILD IT. 
          UM, THEY WERE ALSO TRYING TO SEE IF THEY COULD REQUEST, I GUESS A PARTIAL DEMOLITION INSTEAD OF DEMOLITION ITSELF. 
          UM, SO YEAH, WE WANTED TO SEE IF THAT COULD BE, I GUESS, UM, TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WAS AT THE SITE D R C ALONG WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA AND COMMISSIONER CERVANTES MM-HMM. 
           AND WALKING THROUGH THE HOME. 
          IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THERE'S THAT, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF FIRES IN THERE, BUT, UM, THE FIRE SEEMS TO BE CONCENTRATED IN THIS, UH, LITTLE ENCLOSED PORCH, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PHOTO THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. 
          UH, AND UP IN THE ATTIC, UM, WALKING THROUGH THE HOUSE, THE, THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE REST OF THE HOUSE, INCLUDING MANY OF THE, UH, CEILING JOISTS, SEEMED TO BE STRUCTURALLY SOUND. 
          UM, AND SO THE DISCUSSION, UH, WITH MS. DAVALOS WAS, WOULD THE OWNERS BE, UH, WILLING TO CONSIDER A, UH, PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE, UH, MAINLY THE, THE ROOF STRUCTURE AND THE, THE, UH, THE VERY EXTENSIVE DI DETERIORATION IN THIS ENCLOSED PORCH AND CONSIDER ADDING, UM, RESTORING THAT, POSSIBLY ADDING ONTO IT, UM, TO GET THE, UH, THE PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, MS. DAVALOS, THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO AT LEAST ENTERTAIN THAT THOUGHT. 
          YES, ACTUALLY I WAS TALKING TO THEM AND I WAS, UM, SHOWING THEM WHAT, UH, MS. RACHEL, UH, SENT TO ME. 
          UM, AND THEY WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN THE IDEA, OR AT LEAST EXPLORING IT, UM, TO SEE IF MAYBE THEY COULD CHANGE THEIR PLANS FROM THE BEGINNING AND MAYBE THEY DO SOME NEW PLANS AND YOU YOU KNOW, JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN BUILD THERE AND MAYBE CHANGE JUST THEIR ORIGINAL IDEA NOW THAT THEY KNOW THAT VIRTUALITY COULD BE APPROVED, IF IT COULD BE APPROVED. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I COULD CHANGE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          SO, YEAH, I THINK, UM, IF YOU GUYS COULD CONSIDER IT TO DO THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND WE COULD EXPLORE THAT OPTION, I THINK, UM, THE OWNERS WOULD BE, UM, THEY'D BE FINE WITH IT. 
          I GUESS ONE QUESTION IS, IF, IF PARTIAL DEMOLITION WAS APPROVED, I ASSUME THAT THAT'S MAINLY THE, THE ROOF STRUCTURE AND THE, THE HEAVILY DAMAGED PORTION. 
          UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE OWNER'S PLAN FOR PROTECTING THE STRUCTURE FROM, UH, RAIN, UH, IF WE EVER GET RAIN AGAIN? UM, PROTECTING THE, THE BALANCE OF THE STRUCTURE WHILE IT'S BEING, UH, INVESTIGATED? UM, 
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WELL, YEAH, WHAT THEY WANT TO EXPLORE AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I'M SORRY THEY COULDN'T ATTEND, THEY'RE NOT OF THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, YEAH, THEY JUST WANTED TO SEE IF, IF THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IT, UH, IF THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION WITH SOMETHING THAT IT'S CLOSER TO OBTAIN WITH THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IS IT THAT THEY CAN EXPLAIN HOW MUCH THEY COULD ADD TO IT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, START OFF I GUESS NAVIGATING THAT OPTION AS, AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SET IN STONE OF HOW TO ATTACK IT JUST YET. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH. 
          AS THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UH, US POSTPONING ACTION, UH, THAT IS TO WITHDRAW AND COME BACK AFTER YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVESTIGATE PARTIAL DEMOLITION A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER? BECAUSE I, I, FOR ONE, WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY WITHOUT KNOWING KINDA WHAT IS BEING SAVED AND WHAT IS NOT BEING SAVED WITHOUT THAT BEING BETTER DELINEATED. 
          UM, I THINK, UM, YES, WE COULD DO IT. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING, UM, 'CAUSE I JUST WANT TO, MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION THAT I NEED TO ASK YOU. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THEY WERE SAYING LIKE WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO IN ORDER TO, I GUESS GET THEIR MONEY BACK ON THIS INVESTMENT IS TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE HOUSES AROUND THEM. 
          'CAUSE THEY KNOW THERE'S ON, ON RUSSELL STREET, THERE'S UM, ONE TYPE I, I WANNA SEE LIKE WHAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION AND ON THE BACK THERE'S SOME OTHER ONE. 
          SO THEY WANTED TO SEE IF THEY COULD FIND SOMETHING THAT IS COHESIVE ON THE STREET. 
          SO YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO EXPLORE, I GUESS BEFORE THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO, I GUESS, WASTE MONEY AND DO ALL THESE PLANS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOOTPRINTS AND EVERYTHING AND JUST BE DENIED. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE HESITANT. 
          'CAUSE AT, AT SOME POINT THEY WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE JUST GONNA SELL IT AND THIS IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM FOR THE NEXT PERSON. 
          SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO ENROUTE THEM, UM, SO THEY DON'T LOSE THAT INVESTMENT. 
          BUT YEAH, THIS IS WHERE ASKING MR. CHAIR JUST A SECOND. 
          UM, THE, THE OTHER REASON WHY I'M ADVOCATING THAT IS BECAUSE OF EVEN THE REPLACEMENT PLANS OR SORT OF LACKING INFORMATION, THEY'RE NOT COMPLETE. 
          WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO HAVE A SITE PLAN TO, TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS RELATES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THERE ARE ELEMENTS TO, EVEN IN THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT PLAN THAT I I THINK ARE, ARE, ARE, MM-HMM. 
          , UH, DEFICIENT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          I WAS GONNA GO WITH THAT. 
          I, UM, I FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT NEEDS, 'CAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT POSTPONING, BUT I'M MORE ASKING STAFF HERE IS HOW CAN YOU SAY WE WOULD BE OPEN TO CON YOU KNOW, PARTIALLY THERE'S NOT REALLY A WAY TO PUT THAT IN A MOTION OR TO GIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, YES. 
          UH, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE REQUEST IS POSTPONED UNTIL THE APPLICANT RETURNS, UM, TO STAFF WITH UPDATED PLANS, UM, INCLUDING AREAS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING DEMOLITION AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR REPLACEMENT, IF ANY, IN THOSE AREAS AND THE TREATMENT OF THE REMOVED AREAS. 
          UM, SO AT THAT POINT, STAFF COULD RESCHEDULE THE REQUEST FOR THE NEXT AVAILABLE H D R C HEARING. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS TO A D R C, BUT NOT, UH, INSIDE. 
          UM, I THINK NOT, UM, VIRTUAL, NOT A VIRTUAL FOR THE DESIGN. 
          IS THAT A MOTION? IF NOBODY ASKS A QUESTION, WE CAN TAKE IT AS A MOTION, MOVE THIS TO A D R C, WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          AND CAN STAFF CLARIFY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HOLD THE D R C MEETING ONCE UPDATED PLANS ARE SUBMITTED? OF COURSE. 
          AND I WAS GONNA ELABORATE ON THAT TO THE APPLICANT. 
          SO, UM, THERE WAS A SECOND, RIGHT? YES. 
          SO YEAH, I THINK MS. VALEZ, I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THERE'S TWO THINGS. 
          THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TODAY AREN'T PROBABLY, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE ACCEPTABLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I CAN, YOU KNOW, JUST REALLY QUICKLY SEEING. 
          UM, AND THEN IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING PARTIAL DEMOLITION, UH, LISTENING TO WHAT OUR CHAIRMAN, THE REPORT FROM THE D R C, I MEAN, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE FRONT. 
          I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S VIABLE TO EVEN DO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A FRONT, A DUPLEX TWO STORY? I THINK, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, SO I'D REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT A D R C IS CONSIDERED ONCE YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT AREAS YOU WOULD LIKE TO REHABILITATE OR WHAT AREAS YOU'RE GONNA DEMOLISH. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU WOULD START FROM SCRATCH FROM, UM, DEMOLITION PLANS AND REALLY HAVE THE GUIDELINES CLEAR OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AT THAT POINT TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TO PRESENT TO US AT D R C. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          SO THEN WE'LL WORK ON THAT THEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, UH, YES, SIR. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE, UM, 
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WE HAVE A, A REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION AND THE ONLY RECORD IN FRONT OF US IS THE RECORD THAT, THAT WE HAVE AND THE PICTURES THAT, THAT ARE IN THIS FILE, THEY INDICATE A BUILDING THAT, THAT PRACTICALLY BURNED DOWN. 
          I MEAN, IT'S STANDING THERE AND IT'S, AND IT'S, AND IT'S, UM, AND IT'S OUTER SKELETON. 
          BUT IF YOU SCROLL THROUGH THE PICTURES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT THERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY DAMNING AS FAR AS, UH, GIVING THE IMPRESSION THAT SOMEHOW WE, WE WOULD BE TALKING A PERSON OUT OF DEMOLISHING BECAUSE IT BE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE COME TO, TO REQUEST A DEMOLITION AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE NEGOTIATING THEM OUT OF, OR TALKING 'EM OUT OF DEMOLISHING. 
          AND IF THOSE ARE NOT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE AN OWNER THAT DOESN'T WANT DIVE INTO THE LIABILITY OF THAT, THEN UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH AN OPEN CHECK. 
          AND BECAUSE THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL CIRCUMSTANCE FOR REHABILITATION, UH, SO I, I I, I WANNA, I WANNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF A D R C, BUT AFTER THE, THE APPLICANT RECEIVES A DEMOLITION, THEN THE, THE APPLICANT CAN GO BACK AND DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANNA GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF, OF REHABILITATING IT. 
          IT JUST, IT JUST FEELS LIKE THE APPLICANT KNOWS WHAT THEY WANT AND WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF TALKING OUT OF IT. 
          UM, THANK YOU SIR. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND AGAIN, I I, I WAS THERE AND IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SMOKE DAMAGE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE STRUCTURE IS, UH, UH, STRUCTURALLY SOUND. 
          AND SO THIS D R C ALLOWS THE, THE, THE TIME FOR INVESTIGATION WITH THE, UH, OWNER AND THE ARCHITECT AND THE, UH, LOOKING AT WHAT'S POSSIBLE HERE, CONSIDERING POSSIBLE A PARTIAL DEMOLITION, I THINK IS A, A, A GOOD NE NEXT STEP. 
          UM, AND LET THEM COME BACK TO US WITH SOMETHING. 
          COMMISSIONER, UH, MR. CHAIR? SURE. 
          I I ALSO WENT TO THE D R C AND, AND I CONCUR WITH, UH, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER'S, UH, UH, ASSESSMENT. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS SECOND FLOOR OR THE ADDITION BE IN THE SPIRIT OF THIS WHAT EXISTS ALREADY. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THIS D R C AND, UM, WE HAD A CASE ON EAST HOUSTON THAT HAD A FIRE, SAME SIZE HOUSE, ET CETERA. 
          AND WE FOUND THAT THROUGH THE SITE VISIT, WE, WE GOT A REALLY, A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WAS, UH, REPAIRABLE REHAB. 
          WHAT WAS EVEN POSSIBLE. 
          UM, THIS HOUSE, YOU WERE, YOU MENTIONED THAT STRUCTURALLY THERE'S STILL SOME, SOME VIABLE AREAS. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME OR TELL US, UH, WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE FOUNDATION IS? AND IT WAS, WAS IT AFFECTED BY THE FIRE? THE, UH, WELL, WE COULDN'T SEE THE FOUNDATION, THE FLOORING IN THE, THE PORTION OF THE FIRST FLOOR THAT WAS HEAVILY DAMAGED, UH, THE SUBFLOOR WOOD SUBFLOOR WAS ALSO FIRE DAMAGED. 
          BUT THE REST OF THE HOUSE, UH, THE SUBFLOOR, UH, AS WE WALKED AROUND, UH, APPEARED TO BE SOUND. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT IS A HUGE FACTOR TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          ME MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 19. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 H G R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH DASH 2 3 7 8 30 WEST COMMERCE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, RECONSTRUCT THE ONE STORY BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE WITH A SECOND STORY EDITION AND TWO, INSTALL A NEW STEEL BALCONY AND EXTERIOR STAIRCASE ON THE SOUTH REAR ELEVATION. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS 
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APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES THE FACADE DETAILS OF THE EXISTING ONE STORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE ROOF LINE AND PARAPETS IN THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDINGS C AND J AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE PLAN DETAILING ANY ELEMENTS OF THE EXISTING ONE STORY BUILDING THAT WILL BE SALVAGED FOR REUSE BASED ON FINDING C THREE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE PROPOSED EAST SIDE ADDITION, OR CITES THE ADDITION SIGNIFICANTLY BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE. 
          BASED ON FINDING D THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED SITE PLANS AND ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A DEMOLITION AND ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE PLAN DETAILING THE PROPOSAL FOR MATERIAL AND WINDOW REMOVAL BASED ON FINDING F FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOWS OF TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS ON THE FRONT FACADE AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON FINDINGS G AND H AND SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE WINDOWS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON FINDING I, AS A CASE COMMENT, UH, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE WORD ONE, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ONE STORY BUILDING. 
          UH, THIS REQUEST LANGUAGE IS BASED ON PREVIOUS PROPOSALS AND SO THE APPLICANT, UH, WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF THE, OF THE NEW STRUCTURE AS NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION. 
          AND THE APPLICANT, SUE ANN PEMBERTON IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MS. PEMBERTON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, UH, WE HAVE, UH, PRESENTED TO YOU BEFORE OBVIOUSLY ON THIS PROJECT AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO GO TO THE PERMITTING, UH, COMPONENT OF THIS. 
          AND AS PART OF IT, UM, WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PRELIMINARY REVIEW WITH THE, FOR TAX CREDIT APPLICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND FOR TAX CREDIT PURPOSES, THE TWO BUILDINGS CANNOT INTERCONNECT. 
          UM, WE HAVE ALSO, UH, GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UM, HAVING IT, UH, DECLARED NON-CONTRIBUTING AND THE CITY STAFF HAS GONE ALONG WITH THAT, HAS PROVEN THAT IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND SO WE ARE VIEWING THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AS A TOTALLY NEW CONTEMPORARY TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE DON'T, UH, WE DON'T, UH, AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ED OPENINGS. 
          AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO READ LIKE NEW CONSTRUCTION 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT RECONSTRUCTING ANYTHING. 
          IT'S A BRAND NEW TWO STORY BUILDING ON A SITE WHERE, UM, A A BUILDING IS BEING DEMOLISHED, IT WILL BE DEMOLISHED, UM, BECAUSE IT IS DEFINITELY NOT SALVAGEABLE AT ALL. 
          SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE BIG KIND OF STOREFRONTS THAT, UM, ARE MORE, MUCH MORE CONTEMPORARY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, QUESTION THE OTHER, UH, ITEMS ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          ARE YOU IN CONCURRENCE WITH THOSE? UM, WELL THE SALVAGE PLAN IS REALLY THE ONLY OTHER THING. 
          AND YES, WE HAVE PRESS METAL CEILING, PART OF IT THAT WE HAVE SALVAGED. 
          UH, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ELSE WE CAN UNTIL WE START TAKING IT, THE BUILDING DOWN. 
          AND, UM, AND SO THE WINDOW PROPORTION THING I DON'T AGREE WITH, 'CAUSE WE WANNA GO WITH THE COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT INSTEAD OF PUNCHED OPENINGS AT THE SECOND LEVEL. 
          UH, AGAIN, TO MAKE IT A CONTEMPORARY TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING, UM, THAT'S PERCEIVED AS A NEW CONSTRUCTION INSTEAD OF A CONSTRUCTING A HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          SO THEN ITEM THREE, WHICH IS, UH, REDUCE THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE EAST SIDE EDITION. 
          UM, YOU'RE ALSO, UM, SAYING THAT YOUR CONTEMPORARY DESIGN, UH, WOULD NOT NEED TO MEET THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE HAVEN'T REALLY INCREASED THE MASSING WE'RE AT THE SAME WIDTH AS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, BUT IT'S A NOW A TWO STORY STRUCTURE. 
          IT, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION SAYS, UH, OR CITE THE ADDITION SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANTLY BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE ADJACENT BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          SINCE IT'S A NEW BUILDING ON A NON, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF A NON HISTORIC SITE, WE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AT THE STREET. 
          UH, SO IT BECOMES A CONTINUOUS PART OF THE FACADE, BUT JUST A CONTEMPORARY ONE. 
          SO REDUCING THE MASSING, I DON'T AGREE. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN TO YOU BEFORE WITH A THREE 
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STORY VERSION AND I LEFT THERE THINKING WE HAD THAT COMPROMISE AT A TWO STORY VERSION. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE SOME CONFUSION IS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN REDUCE IT ANYMORE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, LET'S HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER, FISH. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT SEEMS LIKE STIPULATIONS TO AND FOR OUR RELATED TO SALVAGE, UH, SALVAGE PLANS AND ALL THE OTHER STIPULATIONS ARE RELATED TO THIS KIND OF PERSPECTIVE THAT THE PROPOSAL HERE IS FOR A RECONSTRUCTED RECONSTRUCTION RATHER THAN NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH STIPULATIONS TWO AND FOUR? SORRY, I CAN'T READ THE STIPULATION. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          STIPULATION TWO IS JUST WHAT YOU MENTIONED, UH, THAT THERE'S A SALVAGE, UH, PLAN DETAILING ANY, ANY ELEMENTS THAT'LL BE SALVAGED FOR REUSE. 
          AND THEN FOUR, UH, THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A DEMOLITION AND ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE PLAN DETAILING THE PROPOSAL FOR MATERIALS AND WINDOW REMOVAL BASED ON FINDING F I SUPPOSE THAT THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING TO ME. 
          CAN STAFF CLEAR THAT UP? YES, CERTAINLY. 
          UH, STIPULATION NUMBER TWO IS REGARDING AN ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE PLAN FOR THE ONE STORY PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR A DEMOLITION. 
          UM, THAT IS THE PORTION THAT STAFF HAS DETERMINED TO BE NON-CONTRIBUTING, AND THAT IS THE PORTION YOU SEE HERE. 
          AND THEN STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR IS REGARDING THE REMOVAL OF THE WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION HERE. 
          AND SO STAFF IS REQUESTING AN ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE PLAN FOR THOSE WINDOWS AND ANY OTHER HISTORICAL ELEMENTS THAT MAY NEED TO BE REMOVED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ADDITION. 
          AND ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH A NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THIS SITE? YES, CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK I, I THINK I GOT THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION TWO AND FOUR CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSAL. 
          UH, AND THE REST MAY NOT BE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S CLEAR WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE PROPOSED ELEVATION FOR THE, THE NEW ADDITION THAT AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND THE TRANSOM LEVEL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PULLING UPON THE, UH, SORT OF THE HORIZONTAL DATA LINES, UH, THE CANOPIES AND THE, AND THE, UH, THE CORNICES AND, AND STRINGER COURSES AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND WHEN I GO TO THE TOP, UM, YOU DEF YOU DEFINITELY SEE THE SAME OCCURRING THERE AS WELL. 
          UH, OH, WE'RE GETTING SOME VOICES THERE. 
          UH, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE PLACES WHERE IT DOES BEGIN TO DEVIATE, ONE AT THAT SECOND STORY, THE HEAD HEIGHT OF THE, OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE PROPOSED THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT YOU GO WITH A CONTEMPORARY APPROACH WITH THAT GLAZING, BUT IS THERE SOME WAY OF RE BETTER RELATING IT TO THE SIZE AND PROPORTION OF THE WINDOWS, UH, THAT ARE THE PUNCHED WINDOWS AT THE SECOND STORY OF THE, UM, OF, OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING THAT'S BEING RETAINED? THAT'S ONE QUESTION. 
          AND THEN TWO, UH, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THE HEIGHT OF THE PARAPET OF THE NEW BUILDING RELATIVE TO THE EXISTING? IS THAT MERELY SAFETY AND OSHA CONCERNS UP THERE AT THE ROOF OR WAS THERE SOMETHING, UH, DESIGN-WISE AND PHILOSOPHICAL THAT YOU WERE, YOU WERE DRAWING UPON FOR SETTING THE PARAPET HEIGHT OF THE AT THE ROOF? IT, THE, THE NEW BUILDING? UM, WE ALIGNED, UH, THE OPENINGS VERTICALLY WITH THE EXISTING, UH, LIKE AT THE, UH, THE FRONT DOOR AND THINGS ALL LINES UP. 
          THE PARAPET HEIGHT IS, UM, HIGHER THAN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, FOR TWO REASONS. 
          ONE'S SO THAT WE CAN FLASH OVER THE EXISTING PARAPET. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE IS BECAUSE THAT UNIT OR THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION HAS A LOFT IN IT AND WE NEEDED THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT IN ORDER TO GET THE LOFT. 
          NO, I'M NOT SURE SHE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE VERTICAL LINES, BUT NOT, YEAH, I I DIDN'T QUITE GET THE EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THE HEAD HEIGHT OF THE, THE HEAD OH, OF THE PROPOSED WINDOWS DON'T ALIGN WITH THE HEAD OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN, WE CAN ADJUST THOSE. 
          THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH, WE WERE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH LIGHT INTO THAT SPACE UHHUH, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOFT IN IT SO THAT IT CAN, UM, THAT LOFT AREA CAN ALSO HAVE LIGHT, OR AT LEAST YOU CAN SEE OUT FROM THE LOFT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, 
          [03:35:01]
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THAT WAS REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT, THAT IS, THAT LOFT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM FRONT AND BACK? 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S NO, THAT, IT'S MORE OF ON THE FRONT, RIGHT? AS I UNDERSTAND. 
          WELL, IT'S, IT GOES, THERE ARE TWO LIVING UNITS IN THAT BUILDING. 
          A ONE THAT'S ON COMMERCE STREET, AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S AT THE REAR OF THE, UH, OR THE BACKSIDE OF THAT. 
          SO THE LOFTS ACTUALLY RUN IN THE EAST TO WEST DIRECTION SO THAT IN THE FRONT OF THAT BIG WINDOW THAT YOU SEE, IT'S FULL HEIGHT AND, AND BEYOND THAT, IN THE PLAN THERE IS A LOFT, A BEDROOM LOFT. 
          CAN YOU PULL UP, UH, DRAWING 44? THAT'S A BUILDING SECTION THAT SHOWS THE LOFTS. 
          YES. 
          NOW YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE WINDOW OPENINGS AND THAT LOFT AREA. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET A MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION TWO, TWO AND FOUR SECOND MO MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH STAFF STIPULATION TWO AND FOUR. 
          I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND NOW. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT, WANT TO, UH, SAY WHY I'M S SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THIS, UH, UH, PROPOSAL. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT HAS COME BEFORE US MANY TIMES AND WE'VE HAD VIGOROUS DISCUSSION. 
          UM, THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I I I, I DO WISH IT HAD GONE EVEN FURTHER IN THE CONTEMPORARY SO THAT IT HAD THAT CONTRAST, BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S EFFORTS TO, TO, UM, REACH, UH, UM, UH, A POINT OF AGREEMENT WITH, WITH, UM, OPINIONS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, UM, BUT, UH, ONE, ONE INTERESTING OBSERVATION IS THAT YOU, YOU GO TO SOME OF THE URBAN CENTERS IN, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE BUILDING GETS BUILT, THAT'S LIKE, UH, TO THE, LET'S SAY THE FUTURE BUILDING TO THE LEFT OF THIS STRUCTURE, IT, IT WON'T MATCH THE, THE OLD BUILDING OR THE NEW BUILDING. 
          AND IT, AND IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE HOW BEAUTIFUL THAT IS, WHETHER YOU'RE IN WASHINGTON DC OR YOU'RE IN PRAGUE AND YOU SEE THE, THE, NOT ONLY THE DIFFERENCE IN ARCHITECTURE, BUT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN PERIODS THAT THOSE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST TO REMIND US THAT WE HAVE TO BE COURAGEOUS ENOUGH TO, TO, TO SEE A FUTURE THAT THAT TELLS ITS OWN NARRATIVE, RIGHT? UM, BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE THIS APPLICANT'S, UH, UH, HARD, HARD WORK AND, UH, UH, WITH, WITH HER REPUTATION, HER TOLERANCE. 
          THANK YOU, UH, FOR, FOR THIS COMMISSION. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRU AYE. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 20. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM 20 ON THE H D R C AGENDA EIGHT 20, I'M SORRY, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 24 8 20 NORTH ALAMO STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE SIDING IN KIND INSTALL ONE OVER ONE ALUMINUM CLA WIND WOOD WINDOWS WHERE WOOD WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REMOVED, REPLACE EXISTING FRONT DOORS, TRANS AND SIDELIGHTS WITH THE NEW STOREFRONT SYSTEM. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION WITH ROOF DECK. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C. 
          STAFF. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A CONFORMING WOOD PRODUCT TO REPLACE THE EXISTING NON HISTORIC FRONT DOORS THAT THE EXISTING DOOR OPENING TRANSOM AND SIDELIGHTS BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, APPRO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE TWO STORY EDITION WITH ROOF DECK BASED ON FINDINGS E THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION. 
          SO IT DOES NOT DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE METAL CLADDING. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, KENT BRITTON, HERE IN PERSON. 
          UM, THERE ARE TWO LETTERS, UH, IN OPPOSITION ON FILE. 
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GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. 
          I'M HERE WITH THE OWNER NICK MARQUEZ AND THE ARCHITECT KENT BRITTON. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, WE'LL CERTAINLY BRING KENT UP AND HE CAN ANSWER THOSE. 
          UH, WE AGREE TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS ON THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURE, UM, IN THE FRONT. 
          WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS HEARING TODAY KINDA BE BIFURCATED. 
          YOU KNOW, LET US, WE AGREE TO EVERYTHING STAFF SAYS ON THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURE. 
          LET US GO FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          SO WE REALLY NEED TO PULL PERMITS. 
          WE'VE HAD SOME HOMELESS BREAKIN ISSUES. 
          ONCE WE GET THE PERMITS GOING, WE'LL GET ELECTRICAL GOING. 
          WE CAN START HAVING SECURITIES CAMERAS AND, AND RESTORE THAT BUILDING. 
          NOW THE PROPOSAL, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, UM, LEMME JUST TELL YOU REAL QUICK ABOUT NICK MARQUEZ. 
          HE'S RESTORED EIGHT HISTORICAL BUILDINGS IN THESE SHIRTS AND CILO AREA. 
          YOU KNOW, WE THINK EVERYTHING IN SHIRTS AND CILO IS BRAND NEW, BUT IN THE OLD DOWNTOWN MAIN STREETS, HE'S RESTORED SOME OF THOSE OLD BUILDINGS FOR, UH, BARS AND RESTAURANTS. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF KIND OF WHAT WE WOULD HE WOULD LIKE TO DO HERE WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          HE IS KIND OF TRYING TO GO FOR, IF YOU CAN REMEMBER LIBERTY BAR, WHEN IT WAS LOCATED ON JOSEPHINE STREET, THEY HAD THE NICE HARDWOOD FLOORS, THE NICE BAR THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE IS TRYING TO GO FOR HERE. 
          BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE NEW STRUCTURE AT THE REAR. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE, PROBABLY THE ONLY GOOD THING THAT CAME OUTTA COVID IS EVERYBODY REALLY VALUES OUTDOOR SPACE NOW, ESPECIALLY IN, YOU KNOW, BARS AND RESTAURANTS. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, THE GOAL BEING, YOU KNOW, THE OUTDOOR SPACE, HE'S GONNA HAVE SOME STORAGE, YOU KNOW, FOR COOLERS, THINGS LIKE THAT OUTSIDE, NOT INSIDE THE, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND THE ROOFTOP DECK THERE. 
          YOU HAVE ALMOST A PANORAMIC VIEW OF THE CITY, REALLY GOOD VIEWS OF, OF DOWNTOWN, AND HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT, THAT OUTDOOR SPACE. 
          UM, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS STAFF'S STIPULATIONS ON THE NEW STRUCTURE. 
          HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          I CAN BRING KEN UP HERE AND WE CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, GURU, THE ADDITION HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED OR IS IT JUST NO, THAT, THAT'S GOOD. 
          JESSICA, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WHAT ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE, UM, REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL OF THE SCOPES OF WORK ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT SEEKING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE WITH THE ROOFTOP DECK FOR THE REAR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING, WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS WHERE THE SIDING HAS BEEN REPAIRED AND THE WINDOWS ARE BEING DONE. 
          THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY ADDITION TO THIS? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I MEAN, I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT, BUT I'LL LET OTHER PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS, OTHER QUESTIONS, SO  YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF THE STIPULATIONS FOR THE HISTORIC, UH, TREATMENT OF THE, OF THE BUILDING. 
          JUST SOME QUESTIONS ON THE, UM, THE ADDITION ITSELF, UH, THOSE ARE BEING SHOWN IN, UM, IN THE, IN THE DRAWINGS AS THOUGH THOSE ARE MASONRY COLUMNS THAT ARE RE REACHING. 
          YES. 
          THEY'RE MASONRY WRAPPED STEEL COLUMNS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIMENSION OF THOSE KIND OF, UH, THE OUTSIDE DIMENSION OF THE, OF THE MASONRY? YEAH. 
          APPROXIMATELY ABOUT THREE FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE THEY LOOK SMALLER THAN THAT JUST IN, IN SCALE HERE. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING THAT SORT OF, UH, OCCURRED TO ME IS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE I'M SORT OF ZOOMING INTO A SMALL DETAIL HERE, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT SETS UP A VERY SORT OF SPINDLY PROPORTIONAL SYSTEM TO THAT ADDITION THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SPEAKING TOO MUCH TO THE HISTORIC. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO A CHANGE IN, IN MATERIALITY AS WELL, KIND OF ONE GOING FROM WOOD TO TO, TO MASONRY. 
          SO I, I WISH THERE WAS MORE DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE, THE TWO, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ZOOMING IN ON, ON THAT. 
          YEAH, WE'RE ALWAYS, UH, WELCOME AND OPEN TO COMMENTS ABOUT SIMILARITY OF MATERIALS. 
          UH, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE, UH, THE MASONRY WAS TO ACTUALLY BE DISSIMILAR TO, TO HAVE THAT KIND OF CONTRAST BETWEEN HISTORIC AND THE NON HISTORIC. 
          UH, SO IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THAT, THAT STRUCTURE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A, A GOOD APPROACH. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT FOR ME. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE SCALE. 
          WHAT IS DRIVING THE SIZE? WHAT'S DRIVING THAT? IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE SIZE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          WELL, SO HIS TOTAL INVESTMENT ON THIS, YOU KNOW, BARRING ANY CHANGES ARE GONNA BE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. 
          SO HE IS JUST TRYING TO GET SOME OUTDOOR AREA AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE BACK. 
          SO A LOT OF THAT DOWNSTAIRS OUTDOOR SPACE IS, YOU KNOW, COOLERS, STORAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, OF COURSE IN THE UPSTAIRS IS, IS CERTAINLY MORE OPEN, BUT HE'S, AND HE IS GOT A LOT OF RESTROOMS AND THINGS INSIDE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME CUSTOMER VOLUME THERE TO KIND OF RECOUP SOME OF THAT INVESTMENT. 
          UM, HE'S, HE'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT TO RESTORE THAT ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          SO FOLLOW UP HERE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT STORAGE AND COOLER THAT OCCURS WITHIN THAT SPACE. 
          IS THAT SUPPORTING THE 
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PROGRAM INSIDE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR IS IT SUPPORTING A SEPARATE PROGRAM ON THE PATIOS? OH NO, IT, IT SUPPORTS THE, THE VOLUME AS A, AS A WHOLE FROM INSIDE AND OUT, BOTH PIECES. 
          SO, SO MOVING FORWARD, IF YOU HAVE APPROVAL ON THE HISTORIC PART TODAY, THERE ARE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PIECES THAT ARE PART OF THE REAR EDITION TO SUPPORT THE PRIMARY PART. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND WHAT WE, WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR IN THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT GETTING THIS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL DONE FOR THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES JUST SO THEY CAN GET STARTED ON CONSTRUCTION WITH THAT, THEY'VE HAD SOME BREAK IN ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH FINAL APPROVAL ON, UM, THE ITEMS ONE AND TWO ASSOCIATED WITH HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO SURE. 
          UNDERSTAND HOW THESE TWO PIECES ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY CONNECT. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND IN, IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE RIGHT NOW, YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE ADDITION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT THAT WAS ISSUED TO THE CITY IS, IS, UH, CLOSE TO EQUAL OF WHAT THE INSIDE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS. 
          THE OUTSIDE, UM, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE OPEN TO PROPOSING, UH, REDUCING IT, BUT NOT BY TOO MUCH. 
          LIKE WHAT, LIKE 95%? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WITH SOMETHING WE'RE, IF, IF IT'S THE COMMISSION'S, UM, THOUGHT PROCESS THAT MAYBE THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO LARGE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO SHRINKING AT SOME, BUT JUST PLEASE NOT TOO MUCH BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE NEED THAT, THAT CUSTOMER VOLUME, THAT CUSTOMER SPACE TO HELP MR. MARQUEZ KINDA RECOUPED SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          AND, AND HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAD A A D R C SITE VISIT? NO, WE HAVE NOT. 
          I THINK THE CONTEXT REALLY MATTERS IN, IN THINGS LIKE THIS AND, AND MAYBE FOR SOMETHING AT THAT, THAT LEVEL OF SCALE, SURE. 
          IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT. 
          A PROCESS FOLLOWING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WOULD, WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          MR. CHAIR, I DID HAVE A, A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          AND IT DID RELATE TO THE D R C YES. 
          COMMISSIONER S UM, THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FISH BROUGHT UP, BUT, UM, AND, UM, MR. CHRISTENSEN ALSO ADDRESSED THAT THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO MAKING THE REAR ADDITIONAL A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A SITE D R C TO LOOK AT THE, UH, CON CONTEXT, BUT ALSO A WEBEX DC UH, D R C SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT DETAILS OF THE STRUCTURE FINISHES, UH, AS IT RELATE TO THE SCALE, THE PERCEIVED SCALE AND MASSING OF THE ADDITION. 
          BECAUSE I THINK PART OF IT IS AREA, BUT ALSO PART OF IT IS JUST THE DESIGN OF IT. 
          UM, SO I WOULD PROPOSE BOTH A SITE AND A, UH, WEBEX, D R C IF THE DESIGN TEAM WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT TOO. 
          NO MI MR. CHAIR, UH, FOR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE, WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING A, POSSIBLY AN APPROVAL FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE WORK AND A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO BE FOLLOWED BY A D R C? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS NOW. 
          OKAY, SIR. 
          SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE HAVE A MOTION TO DISCUSS, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I CAN MAKE THAT MOTION, THAT WHAT? THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE WORK TO THE HISTORIC AND MOTION TO APPROVE CONCEPTUAL AND A D R C. 
          CAN, CAN WE THE REPHRASE IT FOR THE ADDITION ONE AND TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATION CONCEPTUAL ITEM NUMBER THREE? THERE ARE THREE ITEMS BESIDES CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          SORRY, ITEM ONE, TWO, AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          ITEM NUMBER SECOND. 
          Y Y YES, BUT I WAS BREAKING 'EM UP AS A CONCEPTUAL AS ONE. 
          I, I WAS USING MY OWN NUMBER AND I'M SORRY. 
          SO CAN WE SAY A, B, AND C? SO WE CAN SAY ONE, TWO, AND THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          LET'S SAY A, WHICH IS REPLACEMENT OF SIDING IN KIND. 
          INSTALL ONE OVER ONE. 
          ALUMINUM CLOUD, WOOD WINDOWS, AND THREE, REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING FRONT DOORS, A AND B APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ON THE DOORS. 
          YEAH, WITH THOSE, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I'M READING. 
          THE OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THEN B, APPROVAL OF CONCEPTUAL, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE ADDITION. 
          AND THEN C UH, A, A SITE, UH, D R C OR A CONSULTATION. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY WHETHER YOU WANT THE D R C TO HAPPEN AS PART OF FINAL APPROVAL OR, I I THINK IT'S, UH, AS PART OF CONCEPTUAL, AS PART OF THE CONCEPTUAL ASPECT. 
          NOT, NOT AS PART OF, SO YOU DON'T WANT TO CONCEPTUAL, YOU WANNA SEND CONCEPTUAL TO D R C? YES. 
          NO, NO. 
          WE, WE WANNA APPROVE CONCEPTUAL AND THEN GO TO D R C. 
          RIGHT. 
          FINAL. 
          FOR FINAL WE WANNA APPROVE CONCEPTUAL AND ADD A D R C TO IT, RIGHT? IT'S THE SUGGESTION THAT THE ITEM GO TO A D R C DURING DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, THEN COME BACK FOR FINAL. 
          WE, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. 
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YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          DOES THE D R C, I MEAN THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL INCLUDE STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES. 
          YES. 
          I, I, I TAKE YOU FROM COMMISSIONER, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONER HERE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'M GONNA DO A SECOND, BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO REST RESTATE JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON IT. 
          SO, UM, MOVE FOR APPROVALS FOR ITEMS ONE AND TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND MOVE FOR, UH, UH, A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR ITEM, UH, FOR THE ADDITION WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND A REFERRAL TO A D R C. 
          JUST COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          THERE'S THREE ITEMS IN THE TOP. 
          SO ONE, TWO, AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SORRY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SORRY, , WE'LL TRY THAT. 
          THIS AGAIN. 
          APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND APPRO, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEM, UH, OF THE ADDITION WITH A REFERRAL TO D R C WITH STAFF. 
          WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          IS THAT IT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MADE SALAD OUT. 
          THAT ONE. 
          HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THROUGH THE DISCUSSION AT THE D R C. 
          SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          AND VET ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          TOMORROW. 
          AGENDA ITEM 21. 
          ITEM 21 ON THE H D R C AGENDA, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 9 9 5 0 9. 
          KING WILLIAM, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE F FOR APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING SCOPES OF WORK ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL CANOPY ON THE REAR ELEVATION WITH TWO COPPER CANOPIES. 
          REPLACE ONE WINDOW ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE PRIMARY ELEVATION WITH A DOOR, RELOCATE TWO WINDOWS AND TWO DOORS ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE BY SWITCHING THEIR POSITIONS. 
          REMOVE A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE HOUSE AND REPLACE IT WITH A SCREENED IN PORCH AT A ROOFTOP DECK WITH STEEL GUARDRAIL. 
          REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD FENCE ALONG KING WILLIAM STREET AND THE WOOD POST AND METAL MESH FENCE ALONG EAST JOHNSON STREET WITH A STEEL FENCE THAT REPLICATES THE DESIGN OF THE WOOD KING WILLIAM FENCE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT ALL REMOVED WINDOWS BE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE. 
          THE STONE REMOVED WHEN SWITCHING THE LOCATIONS OF REAR DOORS AND WINDOWS AS DESCRIBED IN FINDING D SHOULD BE SALVAGED AND STORED OR REUSED ON SITE THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A MEASURE DRAWING OR DETAILED SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE TREATMENT OF THE FENESTRATION EXPOSED BY REMOVAL OF THE SECOND STORY EDITION FOR STAFF REVIEW. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX, REPLACING EXISTING FENCES WITH A STEEL FENCE BASED ON FINDING. 
          H. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING FENCE ALONG KING WILLIAM BE REPAIRED IN KIND AS NEEDED. 
          A MATCHING STEEL FENCE MAY BE INTRODUCED ALONG THE SIDE STREET WHERE THE HISTORIC FENCE IS NOT CURRENTLY PRESENT. 
          AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, DANIEL CRUZ HERE IN PERSON. 
          UM, WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL AND I THINK THERE ARE LETTERS ON FILE ALSO. 
          LET ME CHECK ONE LETTER ON FILE FROM, UH, KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION. 
          DO THOSE GET READ FIRST OR DO I GO FIRST? GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          HI GUYS. 
          UH, MY NAME'S DANIEL CRUZ. 
          I'M WITH DESIGN COOP AND I AM LEAD DESIGNER AND PROJECT MANAGER OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA START OFF BY SAYING THAT WE AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE. 
          UM, WE WILL ABIDE BY THOSE. 
          UH, REALLY THE, THE, THE TOPIC WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS ITEM SIX IN REGARDS TO THE WOOD FENCE ON KING WILLIAMS STREET. 
          UM, CURRENTLY, UM, IT'S A WOOD FENCE, UM, IN NEED OF REPAIR. 
          GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. 
          WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE FENCE ON EAST JOHNSON STREET WITH A WOOD FENCE TO MATCH. 
          UM, AS IT JUST WAS READ, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING OR IS STATING THAT THEY ARE OKAY WITH A STEEL FENCE TO MATCH THE DESIGN OF THE WOOD FENCE ON JOHNSON STREET SIDE. 
          THAT BEING THE CASE, IT MADE US KIND OF REEVALUATE OUR PLAN ON WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO WITH THE FRONT FENCE ALONG KING WILLIAM. 
          UM, AFTER MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, WE EVALUATED THE FENCE AND THE CONDITIONS AND IT HAS BEEN REPAIRED COUNTLESS TIMES. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR THE PAST 70 YEARS. 
          UM, AND WE'VE KIND OF DISCUSSED THE MULTIPLE, UH, THE COUNTLESS TIMES THEY'VE HAD TO REPAIR THE FENCE AND KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THE GENERAL MAINTENANCE THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THAT. 
          IT ACTUALLY, UNFORTUNATELY, HAS CAUSED MORE DAMAGE TO THE FENCE, IN MY OPINION, UM, IN THE LONG RUN BECAUSE THEY HAVE GONE, THIS FENCE WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED 
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WITH NO SCREWS OR NAILS, AND WHEN REPAIRED, THEY INTRODUCED THOSE ELEMENTS, UM, THEY INTRODUCED DIFFERENT MATERIALS, UM, THAT DID NOT TAKE TAKE ON TOO WELL. 
          UM, SO I HAVE, WE HAVE SOME IMAGES HERE THAT KIND OF SHOW THE CURRENT CONDITIONS AND, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO, UH, GO THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK IF WE CAN. 
          UM, SO THIS ONE HERE JUST KIND OF SHOWS A, A LEVEL PLACE ON TOP, WHICH IS THAT HORIZONTAL RAILS KIND OF BOWING SLIGHTLY. 
          UM, THIS IS ANOTHER IMAGE HERE THAT JUST KIND OF SHOWS THAT THE POSTS ARE NOT STRAIGHT AND LEVEL ANYMORE. 
          THEY ARE KIND OF LEANING IN AND OUT. 
          UM, SO THE TYPE OF WORK THAT WOULD GO INVOLVED, THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN REPAIRING THIS FENCE WOULD PRETTY MUCH REQUIRE US TO DECONSTRUCT IT IN ITS ENTIRETY TO REBUILD IT. 
          UM, WHICH AT THAT CASE, AT THAT POINT, WHY, WHY ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO REPLACE IT AND PLAY AND APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE CRAFTSMANSHIP THAT WENT INTO PLACE, BUT, BUT REPLACING IT WITH A MORE SUSTAINABLE MATERIAL, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA LAST LONGER, PROVIDE MORE PRIVACY AND SECURE, I'M SORRY, MORE SECURITY FOR OUR CLIENT IN THE LONG RUN. 
          UM, AND IF WE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE PHOTOS, UH, YOU CAN REALLY GET AN IDEA OF KIND OF THE AR THE, THE AREAS OF ROT AND REPAIR THAT WERE DONE. 
          UM, I THINK THIS, IS THIS IN THE NEXT IMAGE? I BELIEVE? UH, NO, YOU CAN KEEP GOING. 
          SORRY. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          OH, THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO DISCUSS. 
          UM, AT ONE POINT IT LOOKS LIKE THESE, THERE WAS CONCRETE ACTUALLY POURED UNDERNEATH THESE CURRENT CURRENT PIERS AND THERE WAS, UH, STEEL ANCHORS PUT INTO PLACE THAT HAS ACTUALLY CAUSED MORE ISSUES DOWN THERE FOR ROT FOR, YOU KNOW, AREAS FOR ROT, UH, BUG INFESTATION. 
          UM, AND SO WE WANT TO KIND OF SOLVE ALL THESE ISSUES. 
          LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO DECONSTRUCT IT AND RECONSTRUCT IT IN ITS ENTIRETY. 
          UM, SO WE ASKED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD REPLACE THIS WITH A STEEL FENCE TO MATCH. 
          WE DID DO A PHYSICAL SAMPLE. 
          THERE IS A PHOTO WITHIN OUR CASE, UM, THAT SHOWS THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH OUR STEEL FABRICATOR TO GET A MORE, UH, ACCURATE REPRESENTATION. 
          THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE FACILITATED WITHIN THREE DAYS PRIOR TO OUR SITE MEETING. 
          UM, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF WE, IF, IF, IF WE ARE, IF WE DO GET, UH, APPROVAL TO PUT A STEEL FENCE, WE WOULD SAY THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL SAMPLE PRIOR TO FABRICATION IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE. 
          HI, MY NAME IS LISA LIND, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 5 0 9 KING WILLIAM. 
          CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 1 9 9. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND CONCURS THE D O H P STAFF CITING THE RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDING FINDINGS. 
          WE CONCUR WITH ALL THE ITEMS OF WORK REQUESTED EXCEPT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO TO REPLACE THE ONE WINDOW ON THE SECOND FLOOR WITH A DOOR. 
          AND ITEM NUMBER SIX, TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FENCES ALONG KING WILLIAM AND JOHNSON STREET. 
          AS NOTED IN THE FINDINGS, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS THE TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF SECOND EMPIRE SYMMETRIC ARCHITECTURE. 
          THE PROPOSED CONVERSION OF THE WINDOW TO A DOOR ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE PRIMARY STREET FACADE WILL COMPROMISE THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THIS TEXAS LANDMARK STRUCTURE. 
          SINCE THERE'S AN EXISTING DOOR TO ACCESS THE FRONT BALCONY, AN ADDITIONAL DOOR IS UNNECESSARY. 
          THE EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCE DATING BACK TO 1927 IS IN REMARKABLY GOOD CONDITION. 
          MEMBERS OF OUR COMMITTEE HAVE PERSONALLY INSPECTED IT AND RECOMMEND THAT THE FEW AREAS THAT NEED REPAIR BE DONE WITH IN KIND MATERIALS. 
          ALTHOUGH THE WIRE FENCE ON THE ROUGH CEDAR POSTS ALONG JOHNSON MAY SEEM INCONGRUOUS FOR THE STATELY STRUCTURE. 
          IT IS HISTORICALLY WHAT WAS THERE. 
          IT IS ALSO IN GOOD CONDITION ARE 2023. 
          AESTHETIC VALUE SYSTEM SHOULD NOT TAKE PRECEDENT OVER THE VALUES OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT VOICEMAIL? I WILL. 
          I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THIS FRONT FACADE. 
          UM, WE'RE OPEN TO ADJUSTING THAT IF, IF, TO KEEP THIS SYMMETRICAL ARCHITECTURE AND MODIFYING THAT WINDOW TO ACT AS A DOOR, BUT STILL LOOK LIKE A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW. 
          SO I ANSWERED TO THAT. 
          I'LL, I'LL SPEAK ON THAT. 
          IN REGARDS TO THE FENCE, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE DID, I DID PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF SOME OF THE, THE CONDITIONS OF THE FENCE. 
          UM, I STILL THINK, YOU KNOW, IT, IT JUST RAISES THE QUESTION IS HOW FAR ARE WE GONNA TAKE IT IN THE REPAIR? IT'S NO LONGER GONNA 
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BE THE ORIGINAL FENCE THAT WAS ONCE THERE. 
          I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PAYING HOMAGE TO THE FENCE BY REPLICATING THE EXACT DETAILS AND CONSTRUCTION, BUT JUST SWITCHING THE MATERIALS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, OUR APPROACH ON IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UH, I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, THAT IS FOR YOU GUYS. 
          THOSE OF YOU WHO WENT TO THE D R C'S SITE VISIT, WHAT WAS YOUR OBSERVATION ON THE FENCE? UH, THAT WAS MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER MAZUA, I BELIEVE NO ES OH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, THERE WERE AREAS LIKE SHOWN IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT HAVE DETERIORATED. 
          UH, THERE WERE OTHER SECTIONS WHERE THE FENCE, UH, APPEARED TO BE IN, UH, WAS SOUND STRUCTURALLY. 
          SO, UM, DEPENDS WHO YOU TALK TO, WHETHER IT'S, UH, COMPLETELY WORTH REPLACING AND IF SO, UH, WITH WHAT MATERIAL. 
          BUT, UH, THERE WERE SECTIONS THAT WERE IN WHAT APPEARED TO BE IN, UH, DECENT SHAPE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND AT THE D R C WE DID DISCUSS, UH, POSSIBLY, UM, REVISING THE DETAILING OF THE BALCONY, UH, THE NEW BALCONY DOOR TO MM-HMM. 
          , UH, MORE REPLICATE THE WINDOW. 
          UM, SO AN ARCH TOP DOOR WITH THE, UH, HORIZONTAL MULIAN TO MATCH THE WINDOW MM-HMM. 
          , UH, RATHER THAN THE, UH, UH, FLAT TOP DOOR WITH A TRANSOM. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT INFORMATION COMMISSIONER FISH, UH, QUESTION FOLLOW UP QUESTION ABOUT ITEM TWO, THE DOOR. 
          AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD REQUIRE NO MODIFICATION TO THE STONE OR MASONRY, IT'S JUST THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WE'RE GONNA KEEP MAKING THAT ASSEMBLY SWING IN OR AROUND, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          YEAH, WE WILL, THAT GIVES ME SOME COMFORT. 
          YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA MESS WITH ANY OF THE LIMESTONE FACADE ON THE FRONT END SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DETAILED WORK THAT WENT INTO IN THE CRAFTSMANSHIP. 
          UM, SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUICK, COULD YOU GO OVER THE IMPERATIVE FOR MAKING THAT WINDOW INTO A DOOR? IT'S, IT'S ALL BASED ON THE, UH, LAYOUT OF THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          UH, ADDITIONAL ACCESS TO THE BALCONY, MORE OF PRIVATE ACCESS FROM A, A BEDROOM IS ALL I WILL SAY. 
          AND, UH, A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ON THE, THE FENCE MOCK-UP ARE, ARE THOSE HOLLOW TUBES, METAL TUBES THAT YOU'RE DOING AT THE MOMENT? THEY ARE, BUT WE, UH, ON, UH, ON THE SITE VISIT, I STATED THAT THOSE WILL ACTUALLY BE SOLID. 
          UM, SO ANY, ANY PART KIND OF THE BEST WAY TO REPRESENT IT IS RIGHT ABOVE THAT MID RAIL, THERE'S A SMALL SECTION THAT HAS A BEVEL TOP ROUND, OVER TOP THAT WILL BE A SOLID, UH, PORTION OF STEEL AND THEN AS WELL AS THE TOP COMPONENTS WILL ALL BE SOLID. 
          UM, A FUNNY, THE ROUNDING AND THE HORIZONTALS, THOSE ARE, ARE RECTAL LINEAR TUBES, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AT THE MOMENT THEY ARE, BUT WE ARE GONNA, UH, INTRODUCE A TAPER. 
          IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THE D R C TO ONE, REDUCE MOISTURE SITTING ON THE FENCE, AND THEN TWO, ALSO TO REPLICATE THE, UH, TAPER THAT THE CURRENT WOOD FENCE HAS. 
          SO I'M, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING FAIRLY CLOSE TO REPLICATING THAT, BUT SWITCHING MATERIALS FOR THOSE ELEMENTS. 
          BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POSTS? 'CAUSE THEY HAVE SOME, SOME PRETTY DETAILED PROFILES TO THEM AND THAT SORT OF THING? YES. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THERE'S SIX BY SIX POSTS, THE WOOD POSTS ON TOP. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY STATED THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY BE PUTTING THAT TOP CAP, WHICH HAS THE MOST DETAIL, UM, THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE CONSTRUCTED OUTTA WOOD, UH, MOST LIKELY, UH,  OR SOMETHING THAT'S EXTERIOR RATED, UM, AND PAINTED TO MATCH THE EXACT, THE FENCE. 
          'CAUSE I, WE WILL HAVE SOME TIME OR MAYBE I COULD GET A CAST OUT OF, UH, AN IRON PIECE AND HAVE IT CAPPED AS WELL TO MATCH. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND BAR STOCK OR ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO EITHER MILL IT OR, OR CAST IT. 
          YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STEEL FABRICATOR. 
          LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS A QUICK MOCK-UP THAT WE DID FOR THE D R C. 
          UM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, STAFF STIPULATION STATING THAT WE PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL SAMPLE OF THE STEEL FENCE PRIOR TO FABRICATION TO SHOW THAT WE WANNA REPLICATE IT TO BE IDENTICAL TO WHAT IT IS THERE. 
          NOW I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          UH, COULD YOU GO TO THE HISTORIC PHOTO ON SLIDE 16? AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE, UH, SCREEN PORCH YOU'RE PROPOSING ON THE SECOND 
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FLOOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AT THE REAR. 
          UH, THIS PHOTO APPEARS THAT THERE WAS NOT A ENCLOSED PORCH ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THAT THE BAL THE REAR BALCONY CAME AROUND THE CORNER AND, UM, IT WAS UNCOVERED, CORRECT? IT WAS AN UNCOVERED PORCH. 
          AND THEN I DON'T KNOW THE APPROPRIATE DATE AND OR THE ACTUAL DATE IN WHICH IT WAS MODIFIED TO BECOME A BATHROOM ENCLOSED WITH A PLASTER FACADE. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT A PORCH AGAIN, HOWEVER, REQUESTING THAT WE MAKE IT A SCREEN PORCH, ENCLOSED PORCH. 
          WELL, MY QUESTION IS MORE TO THE DETAILING OF THAT, UH, SCREEN PORCH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, THE DRAWINGS AND WHAT WE WERE, UH, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED ON SITE AT THE D R C WAS, UM, BASICALLY TO MATCH THE DETAILING OF THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, ARCADE THAT'S DIRECTLY BELOW IT. 
          AND WONDERING IF, UH, YOU'D CONSIDER OR WHETHER YOU EXPLORED, UH, SIMPLIFYING THE DETAILING RATHER THAN REPLICATING IT EXACTLY. 
          SO THAT IN THE FUTURE SOMEONE WOULD KNOW THAT IT'S NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, THAT IT WAS A LATER ADDITION. 
          WOULD YOU BE, UH, AMENABLE TO THAT? I, I, YES, WE'D BE OPEN TO EXPLORING THAT. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN, UH, ORIGINALLY. 
          UM, WE APPRECIATED ALL THE ARCHITECTURE DETAILING THAT WAS PUT INTO OBVIOUSLY THE FRONT, THE LOWER PORCH. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT SAME CHARACTERISTICS ABOVE. 
          BUT WE UNDERSTAND, UM, FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT, YOU WANT TO KIND OF DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE STAFF'S STIPULATIONS WAS TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME MORE DIFFERENT INFORMATION ON THAT. 
          UM, SO YES, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO DOING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER SUN, A FINAL QUESTION REGARDING THE FENCE. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE WOODEN FENCE IS, IS TRULY UNIQUE AND CHARMING AND, UH, SETS A, A GREAT, A COMPLIMENTARY CHARACTER TO THE UNIQUE HOUSE. 
          SO MY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE DEAD GIVEAWAYS OF THE METAL REPRODUCTION AS SHOWN HERE AS WE SEE NOW, ARE ALL OF THE WELD POINTS OR THE WELD WELLS, UM, IN THE FABRICATION, WOULD YOU GUYS, UM, I DON'T KNOW, GRIND THEM DOWN, FIND ANOTHER WAY TO, UM, ALTER THAT WELD SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WELDED METAL? YES. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE OPEN TO PRODUCING A DIFFERENT, ANOTHER SAMPLE FOR YOU GUYS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IS, THIS WAS A RUSH THING FOR OUR D R C. 
          I WANTED TO HAVE A PHYSICAL SAMPLE TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME CON CONVERSATION ABOUT. 
          UM, THAT BEING SAID, YES, THE WELDS WILL BE MIN, UH, A LOT SMALLER THAN THAT AND EVEN GROUND DOWN TO ELIMINATE THE AESTHETIC OF THEM. 
          UM, SOME OF THE FENCE NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE WOOD FENCE, THERE'S TONS OF CAULKING AROUND THE WOOD FENCE. 
          SO IT KIND OF PLAYS AROUND A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT'S THERE, BUT, UM, IN VARIOUS AREAS. 
          BUT YES, OUR, OUR, OUR APPROACH WOULD BE TO MINIMIZE THE, UH, THO THOSE WELLS AT, AT THE JOINTS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION OF ONE COMMENT ON THE FENCE? UM, THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT HISTORIC ELEMENTS WHEN BEYOND, UH, ABLE TO REPAIR THEM, THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED IN KIND. 
          SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT I'M IN INCLINED TO SAY THAT THE EXISTING WOOD FENCE SHOULD BE REPAIRED IN KIND, UM, AND POSSIBLY REPLICATED IN STEEL ON THE JOHNSON STREET SIDE. 
          THAT'S MY, UH, TAKE ON THE, THE FENCING. 
          UM, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION FROM SOMEBODY OR DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          OH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          SO, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, SO, UM, BASED ON WHAT, UM, CHAIR, UM, UH, CHAIR JUST STATED, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO REPAIRING THE WOOD AND KIND, I MEAN REPAIRING IT AND KIND IT, AND ALSO MAYBE DOING THE METAL ON THE, UM, SIDE ON, UH, OTHER SIDE, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT IT COST OF THAT POSSIBLY, OR HAVE YOU I HAVE. 
          SO, SO LIKE I SAID, I AM LEAD DESIGNER AND PROJECT MANAGER, SO I'M RUNNING BOTH THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE AND THE, THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, SO WE ACTUALLY DID A COST COMPARISON. 
          WHAT IT WOULD TAKE OUR CREW TO REPLICATE THIS FENCE OUTTA WOOD OR TO 
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REPAIR IT IN KIND, LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD ALMOST TAKE US TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, ESPECIALLY WITH US REPLICATING THE FENCE ON JOHNSON STREET SIDE. 
          UH, FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT WITH, FOR OUR HOMEOWNER AND JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS BEAUTIFULLY BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTED FENCE THAT REPLICATES THE ORIGINAL ON JOHNSON STREET SIDE. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE TAKE THAT SAME, UM, CRAFTSMANSHIP APPROACH TO THE FENCE ON KING WILLIAMS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT RIGHT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE US TO, LIKE I SAID, DECONSTRUCT FENCE IN ITS ENTIRETY TO RECONSTRUCT IT AND, AND THE COST OF LABOR ASSOCIATED TO THAT AND THE CRAFTSMEN THAT, THAT WE WOULD USE ON THIS JOB. 
          IT'S EQUATES TO THE EXACT, IT'S ABOUT APPLES TO APPLES FOR US REDOING THE ENTIRE FENCE WITH STEEL. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO THAT ADDED, UH, BENEFITS FOR OUR CLIENT BEING IN THE STEEL COMPONENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE SECURITY IS A BIG THING, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GETS TONS AND TONS OF TRAFFIC FROM CONSTANT TOURS THAT HAPPENED ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          UM, THE OTHER PART OF THIS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SUSTAINABILITY FACTOR, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, STEEL IS, IS NOTORIOUS, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, BEING FIRE RESISTANT. 
          SO THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT HELPS ADD JUST ADDED BENEFITS TO US SWAPPING THE MATERIAL. 
          UH, SO YES, WE HAVE DONE A COST COMPARISON AND IN THE END WE FELT LIKE THE A STEEL APPROACH WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I WAS READY TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK STAFF HAS, UM, GOT THIS RIGHT AND, UM, I WOULD, LET'S SEE, LET ME GET MY PAGES SET UP HERE. 
          UM, MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND TO ACCEPT STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR NUMBER SIX AS WELL. 
          SO I GUESS WE CAN SAY EXCEPT ALL ONE THROUGH SIX WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SO THERE AREN'T STIPULATIONS FOR, UH, ITEM SIX. 
          WE WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. 
          SO I THINK, I DON'T WANNA SAY WHAT I THINK YOUR INTENT IS. 
          MAYBE THAT'S FOR THE SECOND. 
          I THINK , I, I THINK WE GO WITH, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NUMBER SIX. 
          UH, SO 1, 3, 5 IS APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND I GUESS TO DENY ITEM NUMBER SIX SECOND JUST, OKAY. 
          I, I THINK THERE IS A POINT IN, UM, UM, REPLACING WITHIN KIND, UH, I, I THINK EVEN WITH REPAIRS ON A FENCE WE CAN REPAIR WHEN IT IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE AREA, UH, LET'S SAY 20%, 25% IS CONSIDERED A REPAIR. 
          I THINK WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR IS A FULL REPLACEMENT AND THE CONDITION OF THE FENCE HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN THAT THE CONDITION OF THE FENCE REQUIRES A FULL REPLACEMENT. 
          AND EVEN SO, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK THAT REPAIRING IN KIND OR REPLACING IN KIND MAKES MOST SENSE THIS UNIQUE PROPERTY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON MY SUPPORT OF THAT, UM, MOTION, I, I NOT SWITCHING OUT TO A METAL FENCE ON THIS, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S CONVINCING YET THE MOCKUP. 
          AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE INVESTIGATION EVEN IN THOSE MORE DETAILED ELEMENTS, WHETHER THEY'RE C AND C MILLED FROM EVEN ALUMINUM PIECES THAT ARE THEN PUT ONTO THE STEEL FRAME MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO GET IT AS CRISP AND LIKE THE WOOD AS HAS FLAT PLANES TO IT, NOT THE EASED ROUND EDGES. 
          AND, AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST NOT QUITE THERE YET ON A FULL METAL REPLACEMENT OF IT. 
          AND I THINK PHILOSOPHICALLY THE IDEA IF, IF THERE ARE A LARGE PERCENT OF IT, PERCENTAGE OF IT'S STILL IN INTACT, THEN REPAIR WOULD BE WHAT THE GUIDELINES TELL US TO DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER, FISH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I MEAN THE, THIS FENCE, I'M REALLY HUNG UP ON IT TOO. 
          I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH REPLACING OF THE, THE HISTORIC WOOD FENCE IN STEEL AT THIS POINT. 
          I HAVEN'T QUITE RULED IT TOTALLY OUT, BUT I THINK THERE, THERE MIGHT MAY BE SOME PROPOSAL THAT IS MORE, MORE APPROPRIATE THAN A FULL REPLACEMENT IN STEEL. 
          I THINK THE MATERIALITY, THE GUIDELINES SPEAK TO REPLACEMENT IN KIND, IN TERMS OF MATERIALITY LIKE WINDOWS LIKE DOORS BECAUSE THE, THE MATERIAL HAS A CHARACTER THAT CANNOT EASILY BE TRANSLATED INTO ANOTHER MATERIAL. 
          UH, I THINK THE WOOD CHARACTER OF THIS FENCE, IT REALLY CONTRIBUTES 
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TO THE CHARACTER OF THE FENCE AS A WHOLE. 
          AND UH, THE MATERIAL REALLY SHOWS THROUGH NOW. 
          I THINK REPAIR, UH, REPAIR IN TERMS OF REPLA REPAIR AND REPLACING KIND, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME SEGMENTS OR THERE'S MAYBE SOME LARGER SEGMENTS OF THIS THAT THAT COULD BE REPLACED IN KIND AS A WAY OF REPAIRING RATHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT ROT, THERE'S SOME LEANING, I'M SEEING THESE SPANNING MEMBERS WITH BOWS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , A BOW ISN'T GONNA BE REPAIRED, IT'S GONNA BE A REPLACEMENT PIECE AS A PIECE OF THE REPAIR, UH, FOR INSTANCE. 
          BUT, UH, I CAN'T GET, I CAN'T GET BEHIND REPLACING THAT IN STEEL. 
          I'M A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS WITH THE STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATION HERE THAT A MATCHING STEEL FENCE MAY BE INTRODUCED ALONG THE, THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THERE WAS NONE. 
          UH, I, I REALLY DON'T, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA HAVING TWO DIFFERENT, UH, TWO, THE, THE, THE SAME IDEA OF A FENCE IN TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          FOR INSTANCE, IF THE NEW FENCE ALONG THE SIDE IS PERMITTED TO BE IN A DIFFERENT MATERIAL AND STEEL, UH, TO MATCH THE ONE IN THE FRONT, WELL NOW THIS CORNER IS A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM. 
          SO CAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I'M HUNG NOT UP ON THE FENCE. 
          UM, WOULD, WE, WOULD, SO ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THIS FENCE IS THE FACT THAT IT HAS A LOT OF WAVES AND IT'S LEANING IN MULTIPLE ERRORS AND THERE'S ROT. 
          WOULD YOU, WOULD, WOULD IT BE OPEN TO US SUGGESTING THAT WE REPLACE ALL THE POSTS WITH STEEL POST AND THE HORIZONTAL MEMBERS ARE THE SAME MATERIAL THAT'S THERE? LIKE I SAID, WE WOULD, WE'RE ASKING TO PRETTY MUCH DECONSTRUCT THIS FENCE AND RE RESET A WHOLE NEW PERIMETER BEAM. 
          UM, AND THEN MAYBE JUST ESTABLISH NEW STEEL POSTS THAT REPLICATE THE ALL THEY ARE ARE SIX BY SIX POSTS. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN A SIX BY SIX PIECE OF STEEL WILL LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME ONE'S PAINTED. 
          UM, BUT THAT DOES ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE SECURITY FOR OUR, FOR OUR, UH, CLIENT. 
          AND WE STILL CAN KEEP A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL ELEMENTS OF THE, THE WOOD EL THE WOOD THAT'S THERE. 
          AND I THINK WE, IT COULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD MIDDLE GROUND COST BUDGETARY WISE FOR MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, I, I, I WOULD THINK THAT WHATEVER YOU DO INSIDE OF THE CASING IS ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. 
          UM, THAT WOULD WE BE MORE INTERESTED IN THE, IN THE, THE FACADE OF THE, OF THE FENCE IF THE POST WAS ENCASED IN, YOU KNOW, WOOD BOX, THAT WAS A NAILER. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF IT WAS A STEEL POST WITH A WRAPPED IN WOOD WITH A WRAPPING. 
          UH, BUT, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE THING I WANTED TO, TO ADD ON THE, ON THE FENCE ON THE SIDE. 
          I THINK ONE RISK THAT, THAT YOU HAVE IN THE MOCK-UP THAT YOU HAVE, AND, AND IT SPEAKS TO MATERIALITY AND THAT IT'S VERY CLEARLY A HEAVY, A VERY HEAVY, UM, UM, VISUAL. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE, THE OPTION IS YOU'VE BEEN, I THINK ALREADY, UH, GIVEN THE, THE ABILITY TO, TO CONSTRUCT OUT A STEEL ON THAT OTHER SIDE WHERE THE FENCE DOESN'T EXIST, I WOULD USE A BAR STEEL, SET IT DOWN, OR I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, THAT THE DIMENSION OF THE METAL IS, IS ALLOWED TO BE AS DELICATE AS THE WOOD LOOKS, AND THEN PERHAPS AT THAT POINT COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH, WITH THE, WITH WHAT I THINK THE, THE FENCE IS TRYING TO SAY, WHICH IS THAT THIS FENCE, EVEN WITH THAT HEAVY DOWEL, STILL LOOKS DELICATE. 
          IF YOU REP, IF YOU REPLICATE THAT OUTTA STEEL, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK DELICATE ANYMORE. 
          IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, IT'S GONNA LOOK INDUSTRIAL, BECAUSE I THINK THEN THE STEEL WANTS TO, AT AS OF STEEL, IT WANTS TO BE BROUGHT DOWN TO WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN IF IT WAS MADE OUTTA STEEL. 
          AND IT WOULDN'T BE A, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE A DOW SIZED PIECE OF STEEL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF YOU'RE GONNA RECONSTRUCT ON THAT SIDE, I WOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THAT USING THE STEEL IN A WAY THAT IT WOULD NORMALLY BE USED TO ACHIEVE THAT DESIGN, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE A BAR, NOT A DOWEL. 
          I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. 
          AND IT MAY BE THAT AS YOU LOOK AT THAT FENCE ALONG JOHNSON STREET, UM, SIMILAR TO, UH, MY COMMENTS ON THE SCREEN PORCH, RATHER THAN REPLICATING THE HISTORIC ELEMENT, UH, INTERPRET IT AND, UH, IN A CONTEMPORARY WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, I, I JUST HAVE ONE SUGGESTION. 
          I, I THINK, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HYBRID POTENTIAL SITUATION. 
          UH, WE ARE NOT REVIEWING, REVIEWING THAT TODAY, AND WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION ON THAT TODAY. 
          IF YOU WANT TO PURSUE SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE THAT WHERE THERE'S SOME DETAILED DRAWINGS, WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S A, IF IT'S A WRAP POST, IF YOU'RE USING, UH, ONE OF THE HORIZONTAL MEMBERS, MAYBE THE BOTTOM HORIZONTAL MEMBER IN STEEL TO MANAGE TO MANAGE SOME OF THE, UH, THE DIPPING OVER TIME. 
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UM, SOME DETAILED DRAWINGS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOCK UP, BUT YOU CAN COME BACK TO US WITH A MODIFIED VERSION OF THE FENCE AND WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THAT SEPARATELY SO IT'S NOT LEFT UP IN THE AIR TODAY. 
          THAT WOULD BE IDEAL IF WE COULD DO THAT. 
          I MEAN, UH, TODAY YOU HAVE APPROVAL TO REPAIR AND REPLACE IN KIND OKAY. 
          ELEMENTS THAT NEED REPAIR. 
          UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T, YOU CAN COME BACK WITH A, A MODIFIED PROPOSAL, UH, AND WE CAN TAKE, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT SEPARATELY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M OPEN TO THAT. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? DO WE NEED TO AMEND THE MOTION? NO. 
          FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE, UH, GROUP STEPPED OUT IN FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE, UH, SITE VISIT THE OTHER DAY TO, UH, DISCUSS THIS PROJECT AND, AND FUTURE PROJECTS THAT, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE COMING OUR WAY. 
          YES, WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME GOING OUT THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 23. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 14 9 20 BURLESON STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. 
          TWO, ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF, AND TWO, INSTALL ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE FRONT YARD. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. 
          SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH. 
          OR A STANDARD GAO FINISH. 
          PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION. 
          RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR C CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION. 
          NO VINTAGE RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED. 
          ALL CHIMNEY, FLU AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MUST BE PRESERVED. 
          AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED STIPULATIONS AND NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROOF PITCH OR ROOF FORM ARE REQUESTED OR APPROVED. 
          AT THIS TIME, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO. 
          BASED ON FINDINGS, A AND C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE LANDSCAPING THAT INCLUDES AT LEAST 50% NATURAL GREENERY. 
          THE HOMEOWNER, VANESSA SHELTON, IS HERE IN PERSON AND THE APPLICANT, RICARDO RODRIGUEZ IS HERE IN PERSON AS WELL. 
          THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. 
          YES. 
          WILL THE APPLICANTS COME FORWARD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? YES. 
          UH, MY NAME IS RICHARD RODRIGUEZ AND I'M WITH JET ROOFING RESTORATION AND EXTERIORS. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE WANTING TO, UH, CHANGE THE ROOF TO A STANDING SEAM. 
          UH, ALSO WE WANNA USE A COLOR METAL, A WHITE, SO WE'RE GOING WITH THE WHITE METAL ROOF. 
          UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A FLAT PAN? NO, NO, STRAIGHT ASIAN, NO PENCIL RIB, JUST WHITE METAL ROOF AND, AND NO RIDGE CAPS? NO, IT'S GONNA BE DOUBLE MUNCHED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MUNCHED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND WHEN YOU SAY WHITE, YOU MEAN, UH, WHITE COLOR OR IT'S NATURAL METAL? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A REGAL WHITE, IT'S ALSO ENERGY EFFICIENT, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CUSTOMER WANTS. 
          UH, I BROUGHT A SAMPLE. 
          WHAT, JIM, TO BE CLEAR, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ROOF. 
          THERE'S TWO ITEMS. THE SECOND ITEM IS THE INSTALLATION OF THE TURF. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE NAME OF THE COLOR TOO. 
          I ALSO HAVE THE SPECS FOR IT. 
          WAS STAFF AWARE THAT THEY WANTED IT TO BE WHITE COLOR? UH, WE WERE NOT AWARE, NO, BUT WE WERE USUALLY FINE WITH RECOMMENDING WHITE OR LIKE A WHITE OR NATURAL DOUBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHO WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE TURF? I'M THE HOMEOWNER. 
          I'LL SPEAK TO THE TURF. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MS. SHELTON, IF YOU WANNA, UM, SPEAK ABOUT THE ARTIFICIAL TURF. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF INTO THE MICROPHONE AND, UM, WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT THAT PORTION. 
          HI, I AM VANESSA SHELTON. 
          UM, I LIVE NINE 20 BURLESON. 
          UM, MOVED IN IN DECEMBER OF 2020 AND INSTALLED THE ARTIFICIAL TURF MYSELF. 
          WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOME, I BOUGHT SOME OTHER PICTURES. 
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I DIDN'T SUBMIT THEM. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GIVE Y'ALL THE OTHER, LIKE, THE PREVIOUS PICTURES, BUT, UM, EXCUSE ME. 
          WHEN I, IN, WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOME, UM, THERE WAS, THERE WAS JUST WEEDS. 
          THERE WAS NO TURF, THERE WAS NO, I MEAN, IT WAS JUST VERY NEGLECTED, YOU KNOW, SAD LITTLE HOUSE. 
          AND I JUST WENT AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT I NEEDED TO COME FOR APPROVAL FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT I MADE ON THE HOME, WHICH YOU'LL SEE THE BEFORE AND AFTER, AND YOU'LL SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT I'VE MADE. 
          I AM A REALTOR FOR 20 YEARS IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, HAVE NEVER SOLD A HISTORIC HOME, HAS NEVER HAVE NEVER BOUGHT A HISTORIC HOME, AND JUST, THERE'S NO, UM, CURRICULUM IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY THAT TELLS US ABOUT SELLING HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          SO IF I COULD SHOW YOU, I MADE COPIES, I DON'T KNOW IF, SO IT'S THE LAST TWO PAGES. 
          WE WILL TRY THAT HIGH IN THE SKY. 
          SO, UM, I TOOK DOWN THE CHAIN LINK FENCE. 
          I PUT IN ARTIFICIAL TURF. 
          I MADE FLOWER BEDS. 
          I PUT IN A DRIVEWAY. 
          I PUT IN RAILING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1920, UM, AND PAINTED THE HOME. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ME LIVING THERE. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE I'VE PLANTED AN OAK TREE, THE LITTLE STRIP BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET, WHICH IS ACCORDING TO Y'ALL'S, UH, GUIDELINES SHOULD BE 50, SHOULD BE 50%. 
          UM, LANDSCAPING, I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THE STREET THAT HAS THAT. 
          EVERYBODY ELSE JUST HAS GRASS IN THAT STRIP. 
          UM, AND I'M PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY ONE ON THE STREET THAT HAS FLOWER BEDS AND HAS PLANTED A TREE. 
          SO, UM, THERE IS ANOTHER CASE REGARDING, UM, APPROVAL OF ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT I DID FIND THAT WAS A, UM, 2 27 WEST ELLWOOD IN 2016. 
          THE MOTION CARRIED. 
          IT'S, UM, THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED TO INSTALL ARTIFICIAL TURF TO THE RIGHT OF WAY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, STAFF MADE A SITE VISIT ON JULY 22ND, 2016, OBSERVED THE TURF. 
          THEY HAD ALREADY INSTALLED IT. 
          THE TURF IN PLACE IS SIMILAR TO GRASS AND COLOR AND TEXTURE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THIS, ARTIFICIAL MATERIAL WILL REQUIRE LESS WATER TO MAINTAIN. 
          ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES, THE REMOVAL OF TRADITIONAL LAWN AREAS AND THE INSTALLATION OF IMPERVIOUS MATERIALS SHOULD BE LIMITED. 
          THE GUIDELINES, ALL SUPPORT, SUPPORT MEASURES TO CONSERVE WATER STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          SO I DID FIND THAT CASE. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT IT SAVES A LOT OF WATER IN TIMES THAT THE CLIMATE HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. 
          SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. 
          HELLO, THIS IS LULU FRANCOIS, 8 1 7 NOLAN CALLING IN ON BEHALF OF CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL ON CASE NUMBER NINE 20 BURLESON STREET. 
          WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          ARTIFICIAL TERMS SHOULD NEVER BE USED IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          IN ADDITION, SHOULDN'T THE LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED TO CONFIRM THAT 50% OF THE FRONT YARD HAS GREENERY PLANTED? THANK YOU. 
          SO THAT'D BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE FRONT YARD IS PLANTING BEDS? UH, WE DON'T CURRENTLY. 
          UM, IF, UH, THE H G R C WERE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF INSTALLATION, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UH, NEED TO SEE, LIKE A LANDSCAPING PLAN BEFORE WE ISSUE OUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WANT US TO REVIEW. 
          UM, BUT AT THIS TIME WE DO NOT HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? 
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FISH, BIG QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          DO WE HAVE, UM, I'M GUESSING THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL ON THE DRIVE, WHICH I, I DON'T THINK WE SAW IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE HAD SAW RA GRA GRASS GOING AROUND THE CORNER AND THAT CREATES A NEW EDGE. 
          SO, UM, WELL, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          WHEN WAS, WHEN WAS THIS INSTALLED? THE TURF? YEAH. 
          UM, I MOVED IN DECEMBER 26TH, 2020, AND I INSTALLED IT THE NEXT WEEK. 
          SO IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          IT'S BEEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          SO TYPICALLY, I MEAN, THE GUIDELINES DON'T, DON'T REALLY PERMIT, UH, UH, ARTIFICIAL TURF, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THESE APPLICATIONS IN THE FRONT YARD. 
          I WILL SAY THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS WHERE THIS COMMISSION HAS APPROVED THE USE OF TURF IN TEMPORARY AND TIME CONSTRAINED, UH, TIMEFRAMES. 
          UH, ONE RECENTLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO 2016 TO FIND ONE, BUT IT WAS A DAYCARE FACILITY WHERE OTHER MATERIALS WERE NOT WORKING OUT FOR THEM IN, IN TERMS OF SAFETY. 
          AND THIS COMMISSION DID, UH, ALLOW THAT TO REMAIN FOR A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME PERIOD DURING THAT USE ONLY. 
          UM, IT'S VERY RARE. 
          IT'S VERY RARE THAT WE, UH, THAT, THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THE REMOVAL OF A FRONT LAWN IN, IN ANY CASE, UH, ESPECIALLY NOT THE TURF. 
          SO WHEN IT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 50%, UH, REMOVAL OF THE FRONT, FRONT LAWN, THAT IS KIND OF, 50% OF IT CAN BECOME ZERO SCAPED AND PLANTED AND PLANTED BEDS, SOME ELEMENTS OF THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET, THE CHARACTER OF THE BLOCK, THE LAWN AND THE GRASS SHOULD REMAIN TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE BLOCK. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE GUIDELINES ARE COMING FROM. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, I'M, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT. 
          BUT I'LL SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I'M IN LOOKING OVER THE CASE. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A COMPLIANCE CASE, CORRECT? IS THIS, THIS NOT A COMPLIANCE CASE? I MEAN, NOT A ON VIOLATION CASE. 
          I'M SORRY? LIKE CODE COMPLIANCE? NO, NO, NO. 
          I'M SPEAKING TO STAFF. 
          OH. 
          UM, THE ARTIFICIAL TURF WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE ON FILE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO YOU SAID YOU INSTALLED THIS BACK IN, WAS IT 2020? UM, JANUARY OF 2021. 
          JANUARY OF 2021 TO BE REALISTIC. 
          'CAUSE I MOVED IN THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND INSTALLED IT THE NEXT WEEK. 
          AND WHEN YOU MOVED INTO THE HOME, SO YOU, YOU SAID YOU DID, YOU KNEW YOU WERE IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU SAID THERE WERE NO, YOU COULDN'T FIND ANY KIND, YOU DIDN'T LOOK FOR ANY GUIDELINES. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT MEANT THAT I HAD TO GET PERMISSION TO DO LANDSCAPING AND, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT I DID TO MY HOUSE, I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED TO GET PERMISSION. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT TO BE IN A HISTORIC, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I, I KNEW IT MEANT THAT THE HOMES WERE A CERTAIN YEAR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO GET PERMISSION TO DO THE THINGS THAT I DID. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. 
          UM, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS ACTUALLY BEEN, UH, KIND OF ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF, OF, UH, EDUCATING REALTORS WITH A PROGRAM. 
          THEY HAVE, UH, KIND OF A CER HISTORIC HOME, UH, REALTOR CERTIFICATION PROGRAM. 
          AND FOR YOUR OWN PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU MIGHT WANNA CHECK THAT OUT. 
          UH, IT'D BE A GREAT MARKETING BOON FOR YOU. 
          BUT, UM, I JUST TO ECHO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH SAID, THE ONLY OTHER CASE THAT I CAN RECALL WHERE WE WERE, UM, APPROVING ARTIFICIAL TURF WAS IN A BACKYARD CONDITION WHERE THEY HAD A SPORTS, UH, UH, SPORTS COURT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT WAS IN A, AN AREA ASSOCIATED WITH A SPORTS COURT. 
          SO IT WASN'T VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND IT CERTAINLY WASN'T IN A FRONT YARD APPLICATION. 
          SO THE ONE ON 2 27 WEST ELLWOOD IN MONTE VISTA WAS, WAS, WAS THAT A, A STAFF, UM, STAFF APPROVED THING? I MEAN, BECAUSE I, SO LONG AGO, I'D HAVE TO LOOK. 
          UM, I WOULD EXPECT THAT I WENT TO THE COMMISSION SINCE THERE WAS THAT MUCH OF A DETAILED KIND OF FINDING ON IT. 
          UM, AND I SUSPECT THAT IT WAS NAMED APPROVAL BECAUSE IT WAS LIMITED TO A PORTION OF THE YARD AND NOT THE ENTIRE YARD. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY CONCERNING. 
          SO TURF IS NOT EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, THE ISSUE IS COMPLETE REPLACEMENT OF NATURAL LANDSCAPE WITH THIS MATERIAL. 
          MR. CHAIR, MAKE SOME COMMENTS. 
          I, I THINK YOUR YARD LOOKS PRETTY. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S 
          [04:35:01]
INTERESTING WHERE WE ARE IN SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE LIKE, WE HAVE A MA MAJOR BILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS IN ECOSYSTEM RESTORATIONS AND THE RIVER. 
          AND, AND, BUT I, I HAD ONE GENTLEMAN COME AND TELL ME THAT, UH, THEY WANTED HIM TO CUT HIS GRASS. 
          THEY GAVE HIM A TICKET 'CAUSE HE HADN'T CUT HIS GRASS. 
          AND, AND HE TOLD HIM IT WAS JOHNSON GRASS AND IT'S THE GRASS THAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED TO BE GROWN ON THE RIVER JOHNSON GRASS, WHICH TO US AS A WEEDED. 
          SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF CONTRADICTIONS AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, I WAS JUST NOTICING HOW BEAUTIFUL MY GRASS WAS AND IN JUST THREE DAYS IT'S FRIED. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S BURNED IN JUST THREE DAYS. 
          SO WE, WE DEFINITELY ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE THINK IS ACCEPTABLE CONSIDERING THAT WATER IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THESE DAYS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS COREY'S TELLING US THAT IT'S NOT PROHIBITED. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR VALUE SYSTEM IS GONNA BE. 
          SO YOU'RE YOU'RE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE, I FEEL LIKE IN FIVE YEARS WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION BECAUSE OF WATER. 
          AND, UM, I, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON WHAT GRASS WAS, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT TO 1920 WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT AND IT WAS BERMUDA GRASS. 
          BERMUDA GRASS IS NOT DROUGHT TOLERANT. 
          YOU HAVE TO WATER BERMUDA GRASS LIKE CRAZY. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, I JUST THINK IT'S KIND OF LIKE CHANGE TIMES ARE CHANGING, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE GREEN, THE GREEN WAY RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S MY FEELING ON IT. 
          AND I'VE PLANNED, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL, BUT I, I MEAN, I'VE PLANTED A TON OF THINGS. 
          I HAVE A BUTTERFLY GARDEN. 
          I HAVE, I MEAN, JUST LOTS OF LANDSCAPING. 
          I MEAN, AND EVEN IF I NEEDED TO ADD MORE, I WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN WILLING TO DO SO. 
          BUT TO GO AND PURCHASE GRASS IN A YARD THAT HAD NO GRASS FOR THAT'S GOING TO DIE, THAT I CAN'T WATER JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LOGICAL. 
          SO. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL ITEMS AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE MOTION MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? SECOND. 
          YOU HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          I, I, I THINK IN THIS CASE, UM, I, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH STAFF. 
          I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          IN PERHAPS FIVE YEARS WE MAY BE HAVING A DIFFERENT KIND OF A CONVERSATION. 
          BUT, UM, RIGHT NOW, I, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY PLANT SOME GRASS AND SOME OTHER GROUND COVERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE DROUGHT TOLERANT. 
          UM, I THINK IT STICKS OUT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT? IT DOES STICK OUT. 
          AND I, I KIND OF WANNA SPEAK TO THAT TOO IF YOU, IF IF I COULD. 
          SO I HAVE KIDS THAT TAKE PICTURES IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. 
          DIG WOODY HILL IS A LITTLE BIT MORE UNIQUE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THAT IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A LOT OF NEGLECT. 
          I, I HAVE PICTURES OF THE REST OF MY, THE REST OF MY STREET, JUST SO YOU COULD SEE ON MY BLOCK, THE 900 BLOCK OF BURLESON. 
          THERE'S FIVE HOUSES THAT PEOPLE LIVE IN, THE REST ARE DILAPIDATED OR IN HORRIBLE DISREPAIR. 
          THERE'S ONE HOUSE THAT HAS, UM, A HOLE IN THE ROOF THAT'S TWO HOUSES DOWN FOR ME. 
          SO WHEN PEOPLE WALK BY MY HOUSE, IT MAKES THEM HAPPY, YOU KNOW, AND I PLANTED THAT, YOU KNOW, MADE, MADE MY HOUSE LOOK A CERTAIN WAY FOR MY PERSONAL MENTAL HEALTH. 
          BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY BEEN SOME, YOU KNOW, LIKE A HAPPY PLACE FOR A LOT OF THE PEOPLE. 
          ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS DROVE BY THE HOUSE WITH HER NIECE AND HER NIECE SAID, THAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSE I WANNA LIVE IN WHEN I GROW UP. 
          KIDS RUN ON MY LAWN, THEY TAKE PICTURES IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, I HAVE ON MY, ON MY RING CAMERA KIDS POSING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. 
          SO YEAH, IT DEFINITELY STANDS OUT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT STANDS OUT. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE PICTURES, DON'T WE WANT DIGNITY WHITTY HILLS TO LOOK LIKE WHAT MY HOUSE LOOKS LIKE? IT STANDS OUT IN A GOOD WAY. 
          A ABSOLUTELY, YOUR HOUSE IS GREAT AND, AND I LIKE THE PLANTINGS AND THE FLOWER BEDS 
          [04:40:01]
ALL ADD TO IT. 
          I JUST THINK THAT THE GRASS IS A LITTLE MUCH FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I CAN TAG ONTO THAT JUST A MINUTE. 
          CHAIRMAN, I, I THINK YOUR INTENTIONS AND YOUR VISION FOR THIS, I, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THAT YOU TOOK DOWN THE CHAIN LINK FENCE. 
          I MEAN, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT BEGIN TO TAKE DOWN BARRIERS AND BEGIN TO OPEN UP TO COMMUNITY, YOU RIGHT ON 'EM WITH ALL OF THAT. 
          I JUST THINK THE, UH, THE EXPANSE OF SO MUCH ARTIFICIAL TURF IS, IS, UH, WHEN THERE ARE OTHER, UH, WATER CONSERVING STRATEGIES THAT USE NATURAL MATERIALS THAT ARE NATIVE TO OUR AREA HERE, THAT, THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO TURN ALL OUR LAWNS INTO A, A TRUMAN SHOW LEGO LAND. 
          YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN KEEP NATURAL MATERIALS I EMPLOYED IN THAT WAY. 
          SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE, IT IT'S THE EXTENT OF IT AND IT'S NOT THE INTENTION. 
          YOU OBVIOUSLY YOU LOVE YOUR HOUSE, YOU'VE TRANSFORMED IT. 
          YOU'VE MADE IT A BEAUTIFUL, UH, BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. 
          SO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, THERE WOULD NOT BE A REQUIREMENT TO REMOVE THE TURF AND PLANT GRASS. 
          WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE'RE LIMITING THE AREA THAT HAS TURF TO NO MORE THAN 50%. 
          YOU'RE ALREADY ON YOUR WAY. 
          YOU HAVE A FEW PLANTING BEDS ALREADY, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ON AN EXACT SCIENCE, BUT WE WILL WORK WITH YOU JUST TO INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL PLANTING BEDS AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TURF THAT THAT'S IN THE YARD. 
          MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SARINA. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND THIS IS TO STAFF, UH, WHEN WE ARE CALCULATING AREA FOR THAT 50%, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT, BUT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REVERT TO NATURAL LANDSCAPING. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? NO. 
          I MEAN, WE'D CONSIDER IT PART OF THE FRONT YARD SPACE. 
          MOST PEOPLE MAINTAIN THE, THAT SPACE EVEN THOUGH IT'S RIGHT AWAY AS PART OF THEIR OWN YARD. 
          AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO INCLUDE IT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          THANKS MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, UM, TO THE APPLICANT. 
          I, I, I JUST WANNA ECHO WITH SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS OF STATING, UM, YOUR INTENT HERE IS GREAT. 
          I MEAN, IT IS BEAUTIFUL. 
          UM, IT'S JUST THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES STATE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS BEING A STORY DISTRICT, AND I, I UNDERSTAND YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T, YOU WEREN'T AWARE THAT YOU COULDN'T DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DID. 
          AND, AND LIKE I SAID, STAFF IS NOT TELLING YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO TEAR THIS UP. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST INTRODUCING MORE INTO THE AREA TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GET TO THAT, MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT OVER THAT 50% AREA. 
          SO I THINK THAT YOU'RE, YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK HERE, AND I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, THE DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS IN HERE AND, AND THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE JUST GONNA GET WORSE. 
          YOU KNOW, AND YOU ARE, YOU'RE KIND OF AHEAD OF THE GAME THERE, BUT IT'S JUST THAT, UM, IT CREATED AN ISSUE HERE THAT WE JUST HAVE TO ADDRESS AND JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I CAN MENTION WHAT YOU DID, BUT LIKE I SAID, JUST, IT JUST DISCOURAGES THE GUIDELINES AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE MAKING OUR COMMENTS AND THINGS THAT WE DOING HERE. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          AND FITZER AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO AGAIN, STAFF WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU IN, UM, GETTING AN APPROPRIATE, UH, PLANTING PLAN FOR YOUR YARD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          BEAUTIFUL. 
          WAS IT STATED THAT ITEM NUMBER 22 WAS, UH, POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AGENDA ITEM 24 AND THEN WE ALSO HAD MOVED ITEM 14 TO THE END OF THE, TO THE END OF THE AGENDA. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT APPLICANT YET, BUT, UM, WE WILL, WE WILL TRY TO GET HIM. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 28 6 11 NORTH FLORES STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A SEVEN FEET TALL IRON FENCE AND TWO TO INSTALL TWO SEVEN FEET TALL. 
          IRON GATES STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDING A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE FRONT FACADE REMAINS UNFENCED. 
          THE FENCE MUST MEET THE BUILDING AT THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST CORNERS OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND TWO, THAT THAT PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE, THE APPLICANT'S PAUL BERNAL, BERNAL AND ROBERT FLORES ARE HERE IN PERSON AND APPLICANT LOU DE IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY. 
          [04:45:02]
UH, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, UH, STAFF TO, TO, UH, CLARIFY SOMETHING VERY QUICK BEFORE, UH, THE, THE, UH, FENCE STIPULATION THAT YOU HAVE THAT IT DOESN'T EXTEND. 
          I IS THE, IS THE, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, ASKING FOR IT TO EXTEND IN FRONT, UM, THE PROPOSAL AS FAR AS THE FENCE, UM, CY PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT SHOWS THAT THE FENCE IS RUNNING IN FRONT OF, UM, THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO, OKAY, LET'S PUT A SITE PLAN UP JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR. 
          GOT YOU. 
          'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWING. 
          I DIDN'T SEE THAT. 
          I JUST, IT'S THE RED LINE, HUH? RIGHT. 
          IT WOULD SORT OF RUN ALONG THE PERIMETER AND KIND OF MEET THE BUILDING AT THAT CORNER SINCE IT DOESN'T QUITE ALIGN WITH THE STREET. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. 
          THE ONE ON FLORE STREET. 
          YES, SIR. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, DO YOU WANNA ALLOW MR. DOE, SHE'S, HE'S KIND OF BEEN ON THE PHONE FOR A FEW HOURS AND I THINK HE'S, UM, HE'S THE HOMELAND SECURITY GENTLEMAN THAT REQUESTED THAT WE DO THIS. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          SO, SIR, I MADE YOU A PANELIST. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HIT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF. 
          ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          HELLO? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          I'M IN MY CAR. 
          I, I HAD, UH, I HAD TO DRIVE TO DALLAS AND, UM, BUT SO I, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE ASSESSMENT THAT WAS CONDUCTED FOR THE FACILITY, UH, MY NAME IS LOU DOE. 
          I'M WITH UHA, D H S CYBERSECURITY INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AGENCY. 
          UM, THE, THE FOCUS OF OUR ASSESSMENTS ARE FOR, UM, SOFT TARGETS, CROWDED PLACES, NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP THEM WITH THE, UH, PROCUREMENT OF THE NONPROFIT GRANT, THE FEMA NONPROFIT GRANT. 
          UM, SO MY ASSESSMENT TO THE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, DUE TO CURRENT THREATS AND CURRENT EMERGING THREATS AND THREATS WITHIN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, AND, AND GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE WORK THAT THE FACILITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HIGHLIGHTED THAT, UH, AGAIN, A CONSIDERATION IS TO FENCE OFF THE PARKING LOT AND, AND ALLOW THEM TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE, UH, UH, RESTRICTIVE PARKING OR ACCESS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD THEN, UM, HELP THEM SECURE THEIR FACILITY. 
          SO, UH, THAT IS PART OF THE ASSESSMENT THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE APPLICATION. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE ARE A NON-REGULATORY AGENCY, UH, BUT WE ARE THERE IN SUPPORT OF LOOKING AT SOFT TARGETS, CROWDED PLACES THAT, UM, ARE THESE FACILITIES ARE THEN ABLE TO PROCURE FOR FUNDING FOR SECURING THEIR FACILITIES. 
          SIR, CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION? UM, YEAH, GO FOR IT. 
          WHAT WOULD YOUR RESPONSE BE TO, IF WE WERE TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF FENCING THE PARKING LOT, JUST NOT EXTENDING THE FENCE ACROSS THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING TO CREATE THAT NARROW SPACE BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE SIDEWALK? YEAH, I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT'S FINE. 
          REALLY, THESE ARE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          UM, AND IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S LIMITATIONS DUE TO REGULATIONS AND, AND, AND AND WHATNOT, THEN UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE SECURE THAT THE, UH, FACILITY CAN, CAN BE THE, THE, THE BETTER. 
          UM, I THINK I, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE UM, UH, UH, WHERE THE APPLICATION IS OR, OR WHAT EXACTLY IS, IS BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, FULLY ASKED FOR. 
          IS IT THE FRONT, THE FRONT PORTION OF THE, OF THE BUILDING? YEAH, JUST THE FRONT. 
          THAT'S OUR CONCERN. 
          UM, SO AS PEDESTRIANS ARE KIND OF COMING DOWN NORTH FLORES, THEY'RE NOT WALKING ALONG A FENCE, THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE THE BUILDING. 
          CAN YOU PUT A RIGHT, A PHOTO 12, PAUL? I, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE THAT YES, SIR. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S FRONT YES SIR, FRONT DOOR, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT PIECE. 
          YES SIR. 
          WE'VE ALREADY CHANGED THE FRONT DOOR. 
          YOU'LL SEE THAT WE WENT AHEAD AND CHANGED THE FRONT DOOR TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, DUE TO HIS RECOMMENDATION, DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE REQUESTING FUNDING FROM HOMELAND SECURITY IN FEMA. 
          UM, BUT BY CHANGING THAT, IT ALLOWS VEHICLES TO GET CLOSE TO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS ALSO SOME CONCERNS THERE. 
          WE DO HAVE, UM, DRUGS THAT WE FOUND PARAPHERNALIA ON OUR SIDEWALK AND FECES HAS BEEN, UM, PEOPLE HAVE GONE AND USED THE BATHROOM IN OUR LAWN OVER THE WEEKENDS AND OVERNIGHT. 
          AND 
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IF PART OF THIS GRANT IS AS A NONPROFIT BY ACCEPTING THIS FUNDING DURING AN EMERGENCY, FEMA OR ANYTHING ELSE, UH, CATASTROPHIC EVENT, WE HAVE TO CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT ALLOWING FOR THEM TO GO AHEAD AND USE OUR FACILITIES IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THE FUNDING. 
          SO AT ANY POINT, GOD FORBID THERE'S A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HARDEN OUR SECURITY SO THAT WAY, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OR FEMA, ANYBODY COULD TAKE OVER OUR FACILITY, UH, DURING A CATASTROPHIC EVENT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, UM, IT WAS RECOMMENDED WE FENCED IT ALL OFF SO THAT WAY IT WOULD BE SECURE DURING A CATASTROPHIC EVENT. 
          AND I KIND OF JOKE ABOUT THIS SITUATION. 
          I'VE KIND OF BETWEEN TWO OLDER SIBLINGS TO BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN I GOT MY SIBLINGS TELLING ME, YOU GOTTA DO THIS. 
          SO THE CURRENT, UM, MAIN ENTRY IS ON THE SIDE TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT RATHER THAN TOWARDS FLORIS. 
          IT'S, UH, ON THE FLORIS SIDE, SIR? YES, SIR. 
          OH, HE'S ON FLORIS. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE IN MAIN ENTRANCE? YES, SIR. 
          IT'S ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE NOW. 
          WE'VE ALREADY RE REMOVED THE FRONT PARKING LOT. 
          UM, THE FRONT ENTRANCE IS NO LONGER FACING FLORIS. 
          UM, IF YOU'LL LOOK ON THE SCREEN, IT'S NOW ON THE SIDE WHERE THE ELEVATOR IS NOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND ON THIS, IT USED TO BE IN THE VERY FRONT WHERE THE WALKWAY USED TO BE. 
          UH, WE'VE SECURED THAT AND IT'S ONLY AN EMERGENCY EXIT NOW. 
          UH, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SAFE ASSESSMENT WAS TO FENCE THAT OFF SO WE COULD HAVE IT WHERE IT'S NOT SO ACCESSIBLE TO GO INTO OUR FACILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          COULD I GET SOME CLARIFICATION? WHY IS THIS COMING BEFORE US? THE FENCING? SORRY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. 
          IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. 
          BUT WHY IS IT NOT JUST A TYPICAL PERMIT? WHY DOES IT COME BEFORE H D R C? BECAUSE IT'S NOT, 'CAUSE IT RIO STANDARDS BECAUSE WHY? IT'S IN THE RIO. 
          AND SO WE'VE MADE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE RIO STANDARDS AND, AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE METAL, UH, UH, GATING THAT IS THERE IN THE FRONT DOOR. 
          HOW COME THAT DIDN'T COME BEFORE US? I BELIEVE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, YOU'RE KIND OF LIKE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. 
          YOU REALLY ARE , UH, HI, I'M ROBERT FLOTIS. 
          YES. 
          UH, WE'VE ALREADY HAD, UH, GO THROUGH THE CITY FOR THE PERMITING. 
          THEY'VE APPROVED THE PERMITTING, UH, LESS THIS, THIS PORTION. 
          UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE REST OF THE, UH, FENCE HAS BEEN APPROVED ALL AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING LOT AND OUR GATES AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. 
          WHAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED IS THIS, THIS LAST PART PORTION OF THOSE LAST 20 FEET IN FRONT OF THE, THE MAIN BUILDING. 
          AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR IT. 
          IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND SECURE, SECURE THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS APPLICATION'S BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR CONCERNING ITS HEIGHT. 
          UM, SO THEY ARE APPROVED FOR SEVEN FEET TALL, UH, FENCE AND GATES. 
          UM, THIS APPLICATION IS FOR THE FENCE PLACEMENT, UM, BOTH IN FRONT OF THE, UM, FACADE AND THEN ALONG THE PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF I CAN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS THIS WAY. 
          WELL, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, A QUESTION ABOUT HOW, UM, HOW ONE OF ACHIEVES, YOU KNOW, THE SORT OF HARDENED PERIMETER THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO HERE AND IF THERE IS A MID-GROUND BETWEEN WHAT, UM, O H P IS SUGGESTING WHERE YOU DON'T FENCE IN FRONT OF IT, UH, BUT YOU STILL FENCE THE PERIMETER OF YOUR PARKING. 
          BUT YOU MENTIONED THE CONCERN ABOUT VEHICLES. 
          COULD THERE BE THE USE OF BOLLARDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I KNOW THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE VAGRANCY AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT IT DOES HELP TO HARDEN THE PERIMETER A LITTLE BIT FROM THE VE VEHICULAR CONCERN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          FROM THE VEHICLE, YES. 
          BUT ON THE, UM, ON THE ASSESSMENT, IT IS THE SAFETY OF THE WHOEVER, WHATEVER AGENCY TAKES OVER OUR FACILITY, IT HAS TO BE SAFE FOR THEM ALSO. 
          SO THEY STILL HAVE THAT GATE FENCE FRONT DOOR ENTRANCE, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A GATE OR A REALLY A FENCING TO HELP SECURE THE PERIMETER FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD. 
          JUST, JUST TO MAKE A, A COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS. 
          IT'S A SEVEN FOOT FENCE ALONG FLORES, YOUR, YOUR EXISTING BUILDING'S VERY CLOSE TO FLORES. 
          I DRIVE BY THERE DAILY AND IT'S FAST TRAFFIC AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRETTY, UM, PRETTY IMPACTFUL TO THE CHARACTER OF, OF FLORES CORNER. 
          I THINK YOU, THE CORNER OF YOUR BUILDING IS RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK TOO, RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK? YES, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA. 
          SURE. 
          I I HAD A QUESTION IN LOOKING AT, UH, THE BUILDING OR THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE BUILDING, IS THERE A, AN IRON GATE IN FRONT OF THE DOORS OR IS THAT BEHIND THE DOOR? NO, THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE DOOR. 
          IN 
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FRONT OF THE DOORS. 
          IT'S IN A PORCH. 
          IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE SIDEWALK. 
          LIKE IT'S IN THE FIRST, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THERE. 
          IT'S RIGHT WHERE THE, UH, INSIDE IT'S INSIDE THE, OKAY, OKAY. 
          IT'S INSIDE. 
          SO THERE'S A SPACE BEFORE THE DOOR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UH, THAT HIGH FENCE TO COME FROM WHERE THAT COLUMN IS ON THE PORCH, IF I'M READING THAT CORRECTLY? ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE EDGE OF THE, UH, ARE THOSE STEPS OR A HANDICAP ACCESS? HANDICAP? IT WAS A HANDICAP ACCESS, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE FENCE STARTING THERE, UH, PROTECTING THE TREE AND THEN FOLLOWING THROUGH ALL THE REST AND LEAVING THIS PART OF IT UNDONE, OR DOES THAT STILL NOT MEET YOUR SAFETY SPECIFICATIONS? I GUESS WE CAN TRY TO DO THAT. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN GO TO THE, TO WHERE THE, THE STEPS ARE. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO THE, TO THE LEFT SIDE WHEN YOU'RE FACING IT LIKE THIS, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HANDICAP ACCESS AND THEN ALONG THE SIDEWALK AND THEN ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER WITH YOUR SEVEN FOOT FENCE. 
          BECAUSE TO ME IT JUST LOOKS SO HARD. 
          IT DOES TO HAVE A SEVEN FOOT FENCE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. 
          ESPECIALLY IF THE BUILDING IS JUST A FEW FEET AWAY FROM THE SIDEWALK. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IT LOOKS, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE A, THE WAY A JAIL MIGHT LOOK. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S MY, I'M USUALLY ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT DOES THESE HALFWAY THINGS, BUT, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT FENCING IS NOT THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIAL AS THE, THE GATE. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN REPLACE IT WITH A LITTLE HARDENED, A LOT MORE HARDENED FENCING ON IT. 
          IT'S JUST A, IT'S MORE OF A, THE MATERIAL'S NOT THAT STEEL MATERIAL. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP THE, FROM THEM SCRATCHING THE WALLS AND THROWING FECES ON OUR, ON OUR FRONT DOOR MI MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          THAT'S A SAMPLE. 
          THAT'S A SAMPLE THAT'S, THAT'S A SAMPLE OF THE FENCE LINE. 
          WHY DON'T WE MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. 
          UH, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WITH, TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          OKAY, NOW DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, UH, MR. CHAIR J JUST, UM, IT, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S A CIRCUMSTANCE OCCURRING HERE THAT THIS IS A BUILDING THAT'S USE IS ABOUT TO CHANGE, RIGHT? IT IT'S GONNA BECOME A PART OF THE GOVERNMENTAL ENVIRONMENT THAT IS ESSENTIAL, RIGHT? IT BECOMES AN ESSENTIAL PIECE LIKE AN F B I OFFICE. 
          SO IT HAS VERY PARTICULAR, VERY PARTICULAR NEEDS AND IT IS KIND OF A BRUTALIST BEHAVIOR, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE BUILDING IS ANGLED, IT PRESENTS TWO OR THREE FEET IN FRONT OF THE WHITE LINE THAT IS VERTICAL IN THE, IN THE, ON THE, ON THE WHERE, WHERE THE PORCH BEGINS, NOT WHERE THE COLUMN IS. 
          BUT ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE, THE MASSEY SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE POTENTIALLY THE, THE SOLUTION THERE IS NOT A, NOT A FENCE, BUT, BUT EVEN LIKE A WALL, I'M JUST, JUST TO TAKE IT AS EXTREME IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, RIGHT? THAT WE, WE, WE CAN SEE A, AN IRON FENCE BEING REALLY, REALLY, REALLY ROUGH AND REALLY UGLY AND NOT DESIGN ORIENTED. 
          BUT IF, IF THE USE CHANGES AND THE ARCHITECTURE CHANGES, IT APPEARS THAT MAYBE WHAT COULD BE SUGGESTED IS A WALL. 
          AND IF WE CAN IMAGINE OURSELVES LIKE IN A CORBUSIAN WHITE LINE, WHITE WALL OR A, OR A, UM, UM, BARISH WHITE WALL, UH, AND THAT THE METAL PANEL, UH, UH, ATTACHES TO IT AT SOME POINT. 
          BUT, BUT THE REASON THAT I, I TRY TO DRAW THAT PICTURE IN YOUR HEAD IS BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMS THAT THE NEED FOR SECURITY RELATED TO ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY, TAKING IT OVER WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. 
          BUT THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME DESIGN SENSIBILITY BEHIND THE SOLUTION THAT IT IS, IS NOT JUST A WR IRON FENCE. 
          BUT I MEAN, PERHAPS THEY HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THAT. 
          SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING NOT HAVING A FRONT DOOR AT ALL? IT'S NOT A FRONT DOOR ANYMORE, BUT IT'S AN EMERGENCY. 
          IT'S AN EMERGENCY EXIT. 
          IT'S AN EMERGENCY EXIT. 
          IT'S HAVE TO KEEP IT OPEN FOR EMERGENCY EXIT, SIR. 
          YEAH, WE'LL SEE THEN FOR FIRE. 
          SO THEN, THEN PUTTING A FENCE THERE DOESN'T SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM. 
          IT, UH, PUTTING A FENCE THERE WOULD HARDEN IT AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO GET IT EXIT OUT TO THE GATE. 
          SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE REASON WHY I SECOND THAT, 'CAUSE I THINK THERE CAN STILL BE 
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SOME SOLUTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THEM TO DO THE PERIMETER THEY GOT THE SEVEN FEET THAT THEY NEED, IT ROUNDS, THE PARKING AND ALL THAT, BUT HAVE THIS SORT OF PUBLIC FACING ASPECT OF THE BUILDING STILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT. 
          THE KIND OF, UH, UH, AGENCY TAKEOVER THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WOULD BE UNDER TEMPORARY EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES, RIGHT? YES, SIR. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT MAYBE IF YOU HAD BOLLARDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEN COULD WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH TEMPORARY FENCING LIKE THEY DID AROUND THE CAPITOL, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE, UH, THE INSURRECTION AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. 
          OR DURING THE INSURRECTION, UM, THAT COULD SUPER HARDEN IT WHEN YOU REALLY NEED IT, BUT THEN YOU DROP IT DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT STILL GIVES YOU VEHICULAR PROTECTION. 
          'CAUSE I, I, I, BELIEVE ME, I KNOW THE TRAFFIC ON THAT STREET IS MURDER AND TO HAVE SOME BOLLARDS THERE JUST TO KEEP SOMEONE, UH, A DRUNK DRIVER OR SOMEONE FROM COLLIDING WITH YOUR BUILDING WOULD BE, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, BE A WELCOME SITUATION, BUT THINKING ABOUT THIS BEING SOMETHING THAT COULD GO INTO A HARDENED STATE, BUT THAT'S JUST A TEMPORARY STATE, UM, IF, IF YOU NEED IT. 
          SO I, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME ELABORATION TO THE IDEAS THAT YOU, THAT YOU ALL HAVE COME UP WITH SO THAT IT RESPONDS MORE IMMEDIATELY TO THAT PORTION OF THE PERIMETER. 
          YOU DON'T TRY TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, USE A HAMMER AS A SINGLE TOOL TO ACHIEVE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UNDERSTOOD THE DEAL. 
          UM, MR. DOE, ARE YOU STILL WITH US? IF HE'S GOOD WITH US, I AM. 
          DID DID YOU HEAR THAT RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE BOLLARD, SIR? YEAH, I DID. 
          AND THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE. 
          AGAIN, AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HEART AT, AT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID THE ASSESSMENT FOR YOU GUYS, PAUL, IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE ARE OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATIONS. 
          SO, UM, YOU GOT, YOU GOT, YOU COULD EITHER HARDEN IT AS RECOMMENDED, AS RECOMMENDED OR CONSIDERED, OR YOU CAN, YOU CAN DOWNGRADE AND, UM, AND, AND, AND DO WHAT'S, WHAT'S APPLICABLE. 
          OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. 
          I JUST, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE FUNDING THIS, I KIND OF NEED TO MAKE SURE I ASK PERMISSION. 
          YES. 
          WOULD, WOULD THIS, UM, MOTION BY THE, BY THE COMMISSION IF IT WAS APPROVED, UH, WOULD THAT AFFECT THE FUNDING THAT, UH, THEY'RE ASKING FOR? I'M NOT THE, I'M NOT THE DIRECT FUNDER FOR THIS. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, I, I HELP WITH THE ASSESSMENT AND THE JUSTIFICATION. 
          UH, THAT WOULD ALL BE THROUGH FEMA AND, AND THE, THE NONPROFIT GRANT FUNDING PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH, WITH, UM, OFFERING THE GRANT WHERE THERE'S A PROCESS THAT, THAT THEY HAVE TO CONFIRM. 
          UM, EVERYTHING THAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY HAVE TO CONFIRM AND DOCUMENT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S A PIECE THAT I THINK PAUL AND HIS, HIS SAMPLE WILL HAVE TO, UM, FOLLOW UP ON AND, AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT, IT, IT IT'S ALIGNED, UM, WITH, WITH THE GRANT THAT, THAT, THAT THEY WERE AWARDED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          UM, STAFF CONSIDER, UM, FABRICATION ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, USING METAL, PERHAPS USING MASONRY, PERHAPS THAT CAME IN THE FORM OF SCULPTURE OR ARTWORK. 
          WOULD STAFF CONSIDER THAT AS AN ADDITION OR WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED AS A, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD Y'ALL LOOK AT THAT? UH, WE THINK , I DON'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T REALLY PICTURE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT OKAY. 
          IF YOU GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE REALLY, UM, UM, DILIGENT ABOUT SECURITY FOR LOTS OF REASONS, UM, A LOT OF BUILDINGS WILL HAVE ENTRYWAYS, WE'LL HAVE COVERINGS, WE'LL HAVE SCREENS THAT ARE VERY SCULPTURALLY DONE, AND THEY MAY NOT ATTACH TO THE BUILDING, BUT THE INTENT IS TO KEEP VEHICLES AND INDIVIDUALS OUT. 
          UM, IF, IF THE FENCING WAS DONE IN A MORE ARTISTIC WAY, HOW WOULD, UM, UH, AND I THINK THIS WOULD PROBABLY COMPLEMENT THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING, PROBABLY MORE. 
          SO, UH, HOW DOES STAFF LOOK AT, UH, A FABRICATION SUCH AS THAT? YEAH, MAYBE. 
          SO I WAS GOING TO, UH, SUGGEST SOMETHING SIMILAR 
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IN THE SAME IF THE MOTION PASSES WHERE THE FENCE COMES INTO THE CORNERS OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS FRONT PORCH QUOTE UNQUOTE EXPOSED, AND WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, PROTECT THE OCCUPANTS IN, IN THE BUILDING FROM OUTSIDE FORCES, UH, SOME SORT OF, UM, SCREEN, UH, DECORATIVE METAL, UM MM-HMM. 
           BETWEEN THE COLUMNS MM-HMM. 
           ACROSS THE WHOLE FRONT PORCH. 
          UH, IT'D BE BEHIND THE TREE. 
          AND SO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING IS STILL ENGAGED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BUT THE SECURITY HAPPENS BACK AT THE FACE OF THE BUILDING. 
          EXACTLY. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS THE REFERRING TO IS THE COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, SIR, IF I, IF I MAY REAL QUICK. 
          YES. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING TO THE REALISTIC NATURE OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, YOU KNOW, UP AND DOWN THE, THE ROAD AND, AND, AND WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING A FRONT PORCH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT I THINK THE FACILITY SEES A LOT OF VAGRANTS, A LOT OF HOMELESS THAT SLEEP AND DEFECATE ON THE FRONT PORCH. 
          UH, THERE'S NEEDLES THAT ARE FOUND NEAR, RIGHT NEAR THE, THE FACILITY. 
          SO, SO THAT'S THE CURRENT NATURE OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT, WE REALLY GOT INVOLVED WITH THE THREAT LANDSCAPE AND, AND WHAT THE RISKS ARE. 
          UM, AND, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, THE ASSESSMENT WAS REALLY THE ASSESS AND, AND, AND, AND HELP THE STAFF OR THE FACILITY IDENTIFY WAYS TO MITIGATE THOSE THREATS AND RISKS, UM, OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH DEFECATION ON THAT FRONT PORCH, HAVING TO DEAL WITH NEEDLE BEING FOUND, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE, UH, VETERAN AND FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE COMING INTO THIS FACILITY IN, IN HOPES OF FINDING HOMES. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S THE CURRENT NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING PIECES, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE REASON, UH, WE DID THE ASSESSMENT AND WE IDENTIFIED THOSE VULNERABILITIES IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE FAC WITH WITHIN THE FACILITY AND THE PREMISES OF THAT FACILITY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          WELL, YOU, YOU, MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UH, ON, ON THE, THE, THE ISSUE OF FUNDING IS A GRANT FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO, SO DO, DO, ARE YOU CAPPED OUT AT A BUDGET ALREADY? YES, SIR. 
          YOU ARE? OKAY. 
          WELL, BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE SOLUTIONS AVAILABLE TO YOU, BUT I THINK THAT THAT, THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING AWAY FROM THEM BEING AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          AND I KNOW YOU NORMALLY GOVERNMENT GRANTS ARE NOT CON TOO CONCERNED WITH, WITH THAT OUTSIDE OF THEY ARE INCORPORATING THE ARTS INTO THERE, THERE IS SOME WORK BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AT THIS POINT IN, IN TIME WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LISTENING TO HOW THE AESTHETICS ARE IMPORTANT TOWARD COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE GRANTING AGENCY. 
          BUT IT, IT SEEMS BEYOND THAT, UM, AND I CAN SEE ONE OR TWO WAYS, EVEN EVEN MR CHAIR WITH IT, WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT THE WALL, IF THE FENCE CAME STRAIGHT PARALLEL WITH THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN TURNED PAST THE FRONT DOOR AND CONNECTED TO THAT WHITE LINE, OR BEYOND THAT WHITE LINE, YOU HAVE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR FEET FOR IT TO TURN. 
          IT COULD BE DONE AND IT COULD BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, BUT IT HAS TO BE INTENTIONALLY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IT CAN'T BE JUST A STRAIGHT PIPE AND THEN THE BAR BENDS OVER TO KEEP YOU FROM CLIMBING IT, WHERE IT JUST LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE IN A PRISON. 
          THERE, THERE'S A WAY TO ACHIEVE IT. 
          BUT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A DRAWING OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT. 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T SEE A VERY GRACEFUL WAY TO REALLY GET ENGAGED THIS ELEVATION AND THIS PLAN. 
          AND, UH, I, I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AS IS. 
          THEREFORE, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE CURRENT MOTION TO ADOPT STAS STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND FOR ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS NAYYY FISH, NAYYY, SAVINO AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ NAYYY MOOKA. 
          BUT CAN YOU REPEAT THE, UH, THE MOTION IT WAS APPROVED OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          AYE, CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER 
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AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THAT'S FOUR TO THREE, SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT ANOTHER WAY TO HARDEN THAT FRONT, UH, PORCH AREA. 
          I, I LIKE THE BALLARD SOLUTION, I THINK, I THINK I CAN TRY TO SELL THAT. 
          WELL, AND THAT COULD BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A DEMOUNTABLE SYSTEM THAT COULD BE PUT INTO PLACE WHEN YOU, IF YOU HAVE CIVIL UNREST OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT CLOSE TO THE ROAD, LIKE TO JUST TO KIND OF CAR BOMB 50 POUND BACKPACK. 
          YOU WILL LEVEL THAT BUILDING SO YOU, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO YES, SIR. 
          GET IT FULLY HARDENED. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 14. 
          DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT? WE DO NOT, BUT WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THIS. 
          UM, THIS WAS RESET FROM THE PREVIOUS HEARING. 
          WE ALSO DID NOT HAVE AN APPLICANT AT THAT TIME. 
          THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE AND I THINK WE DO NEED TO GET AN ACTION BECAUSE OF THE 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD. 
          OKAY. 
          H D R C, UH, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH ONE EIGHT OH, I THINK IT WAS ITEM 14 ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, 1931 NORTH IH 35, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LAWN WITH GRAVEL IN ROCK MULCH. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LAWN WITH GRAVEL AND ROCK MULCH BASED ON FINDING. 
          C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT INCLUDES AT LEAST 50% GREENERY, WHICH WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          AND I DO HAVE ONE SMALL NOTE. 
          THE APPLICANT EMAILED ME LATE TODAY. 
          UM, SOME IMAGES OF WORKING TOWARDS ADDING GREENERY TO THE SITE. 
          UM, HE'S NOT QUITE AT 50% YET, BUT HE IS SORT OF MAKING STRIDES THAT WAY. 
          SO MOTION TO CONTINUE. 
          SO AGAIN, IF WE, WE'VE ALREADY CONTINUED IT ONCE. 
          YEAH. 
          DRAWINGS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE DRAWINGS. 
          CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR, UH, ACCEPTANCE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I THINK THIS CASE, UM, IS ALMOST THE POSTER CHILD OF WHAT NOT TO DO IN LANDSCAPING. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THE, THE LACK OF THE APPLICANT'S ENGAGEMENT HERE HAS BEEN, UH, DEMONSTRATED TO MEETINGS. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IT'S HOPEFUL. 
          SECOND? YEAH, IT'S HOPEFUL THAT THEY, THEY ARE NOW BEGINNING TO RESPOND. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          UH, AND AS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS SAY THAT, UH, WORKING WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH AT LEAST 50% GREENERY, IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          I.
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