* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] [00:00:03] I HAD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JULY 19TH, 2023. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. FISH SAVINO HERE. UH, REGARD HERE. MOOKA? HERE. CARPENTER? HERE, GROUP. HERE. CERVANTES HERE. UH, BAKER AND FETZER HERE. UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING. IF I COULD HAVE ONE OF THE INTERPRETERS PLEASE COME UP. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISOR APPOINTED BY THE I'M JEFFREY FE. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER, RELEVANT CITY FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. UM, GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WE WANTED TO, UH, WELCOME DR. KAREN REGARD TO THE H C R C. UM, SHE'S ACTUALLY SERVING TODAY AS AN ALTERNATE FOR, UM, OUR DISTRICT THREE SPOT. SO, UM, THIS IS HER FIRST HEARING. I JUST WANTED TO FORMALLY RECOGNIZE HER AND WE, UM, ARE GLAD THAT SHE'S HERE. UM, WITH THAT WE [Approval of Minutes] CAN MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 1ST, FEBRUARY 15TH, AND JUNE 21ST. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, MEETING MINUTES AS SUBMITTED FOR FEBRUARY 1ST, FEBRUARY 15TH, AND JUNE 21ST. 2023. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. UM, MAY I HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO AYE REGARD? UM, I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN. I HAVEN'T READ THEM. MAZUA HERE, I MEAN, YES. CARPENTER. AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER? YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT WE CAN LOOK ON THE SCREEN, UM, AND [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] VIEW OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE 22. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR THESE ITEMS, BUT WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS AND LETTERS RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKETS. SO LET'S BEGIN WITH VOICEMAILS, UH, FOR ITEM 10. YES, MY NAME IS LISA LIND, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 4 3 4 ADAMS CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH TWO 50. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE O H P STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS. WE CONCUR WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS SINCE THERE IS A PATTERN OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ALONG BARBIE WITH SETBACKS OF NOT LESS [00:05:01] THAN 55 INCHES, AND THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR'S GARAGE IS 67 INCHES. THE SETBACK FOR THIS PROPOSED STRUCTURE SHOULD BE AT LEAST 67 INCHES. THE ROOF FORM SHOULD BE SIMPLIFIED AND THE PITCH SHOULD MATCH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. THANK YOU. NEXT IS ITEM 13, 10 20. BURNETT. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE PHYS AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INWOOD HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WOOD HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 49 LOCATED AT 10 20 BURNETT STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE SOUTHEAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE DETACHED ADDITION, BUT BELIEVE OTHER ITEMS ARE NOT BEING ADDRESSED. THE APPLICANT'S DEMOLITION LEGEND STATES THAT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND CONCRETE FLATWORK ARE TO BE REMOVED, BUT NOWHERE DOES O H P ADDRESS THIS. WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF THE EXISTING SECONDARY STRUCTURE? HAS APPROVAL FOR DEMOLITION OF THE SECONDARY STRUCTURE BEEN GIVEN? AND IF YES, WHERE IS THAT DOCUMENT? UNDER SECTION E IN THE FINDINGS, STAFF MADE THE FOLLOWING COMMENT. WHILE NO MATERIAL IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, A HIGH QUALITY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT OFTEN MEETS THE GUIDELINES. STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED WINDOW MATERIAL IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THESE SPECIFICATIONS. SINCE WHEN HAS THERE NOT BEEN WINDOW MATERIAL GUIDELINES, ESPECIALLY WHEN ADDING ATTACHED OR DETACHED STRUCTURES TO EXISTING HISTORICAL HOUSES. WE HAVE NEVER SEEN O H P STAFF MAKE THIS KIND OF COMMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE IMMEDIATE COMMENT AFTER THAT STIPULATES THAT STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED WINDOW MATERIAL NOT CONSISTENT WITH SPECIFICATIONS. THIS TYPE OF DOUBLESPEAK IS CONFUSING TO BOTH APPLICANTS H D R C COMMISSIONERS AND GROUPS WHO REVIEW THESE APPLICATIONS. WE BELIEVE THIS TYPE OF WORDING WILL CAUSE PROBLEMS WHEN FUTURE APPLICANTS CITE THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE WINDOWS ON THIS APPLICATION. ON PAGE SIX, A 10 FOOT VEHICULAR CEDAR WOOD GATE FOR THE FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY IS IDENTIFIED BUT IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE NOTES. IF THE GATE IS 10 FEET, HOW TALL IS THE FENCE IT'S ATTACHED TO? IN ANY CASE, A 10 FOOT TALL GATE DOES NOT MEET O H P GUIDELINES. THANK YOU. ITEM 14 5 0 2 SHERMAN. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORDES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DAW WHITTY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNA WHITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 77, LOCATED AT 5 0 2 SHERMAN STREET. WE AGREE WITH O H P STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT REPLICATE BOTH THE COLUMNS AND WINDOWS TO MATCH WHAT IS VISIBLE ON THE PICTURES SUBMITTED FROM 19 94 95. WE WANTED CLARIFICATION ON WHETHER THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ON THE LEFT ELEVATION PORCH MEET HISTORIC GUIDELINES OR SHOULD THEY BE TWO OVER TWO TO MATCH THE OTHER ELEVATIONS. ON A SIDE NOTE, WE'D LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR TAKING ON THIS PROJECT TO RESTORE THIS BEAUTIFUL 1909 QUEEN ANNE HOUSE TO ITS FORMER GLORY. TOO OFTEN WE SEE DEVELOPERS AND OWNERS TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT BY WANTING TO EITHER DEMOLISH OR RESTORE THESE HOUSES WITH MORE MODERN DESIGN ELEMENTS. WE APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT IT TAKES TO RESTORE THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT IT WILL ULTIMATELY LOOK LIKE WHEN THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETED. THANK YOU. ITEM 16, 6 0 6 DAWSON. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN DIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 52, LOCATED AT 6 0 6 DAWSON STREET. WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION GUIDELINES FIVE A FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION STATES THAT NEW GARAGES AND OUTBUILDINGS SHOULD RELATE TO THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING ON THE LOT THROUGH THE USE OF COMPLIMENTARY MATERIALS AND SIMPLIFIED ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE PROPORTIONS AND A DESIGN THAT RELATES TO THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING, INCLUDING SIMPLIFIED WOOD CARPORT, COLUMNS DECO, AND FLAT ROOF WITH AN AWNING OVER THE WALKWAY. STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSAL CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. AGAIN, WE DO NOT AGREE WITH STAFF'S COMMENTS THAT THE DESIGN RELATES TO THE EXISTING PRINCIPAL BUILDING. THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING HAS ONE 17 SIDING AND HAS A FRONT FACING GABLE ROOF. IT DOES NOT HAVE A FLAT ROOF AND IS NOT MADE OF STUCCO. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A STUCCO HOUSE NEXT DOOR, BUT IF THE GUIDELINES ARE TO BE FOLLOWED, THIS NEW STRUCTURE SHOULD LOOK MORE LIKE THE MAIN HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY AND NOT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR. EVEN THE STUCCO HOUSE AND ALL THE OTHER HOUSES ON, ON THE BLOCK HAVE FRONT FACING GABLE ROOFS, NOT FLAT ROOTS. WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE LACK OF FENESTRATION ON THIS ENTIRE STRUCTURE. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME'S CHRISTINE DURHAM AND I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 6 1 1 DAWSON STREET. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2023 [00:10:01] DASH 2 52 AND JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE SUPPORT THE BUILDING OF THE CASITA AND WE THINK THAT IT WOULD ADD A LOT OF GOOD STUFF TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO HOPEFULLY IT GETS APPROVED. THANKS SO MUCH. BYE-BYE. HI, I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF MIKE LONG. THEY'RE NEIGHBORS TO US DOWN THE STREET. MY NAME IS LISA FISHER. I LIVE AT 6 2 8 DAWSON STREET, 7 8 2 0 2. THEIR CASE NUMBER IS 2 0 2 3 DASH 2 52. AND AS A NEIGHBOR, I WAS JUST WANTING TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THEIR, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THEIR BACK HOUSE. KAAN IS AN ARCHITECT. MIKE IS, UH, AN INCREDIBLE CONTRACTOR. BOTH OF THEM ARE REALLY AMAZING IN THEIR FIELD AND WE SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BACK HOUSE FOR THEM. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE GIMME A CALL. LISA FISHER, I GO BY LEAFY AREA CODE 5 1 2 5 7 4 8 8 6 3 AND THE CASE NUMBER IS 2 0 2 3 DASH 2 5 2. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ROSA LOPEZ. I LIVE AT SIX 10 DAWSON STREET. I AM CALLING, UH, TO SUPPORT THE CASE NUMBER OF 2023 DASH 2 5 2. THE BUILDING PROPOSED AT 6 0 6 DAWSON STREET. AGAIN, I SUPPORT, UM, THE ISSUE OF, UH, BUILD THE BUILDING AT 6 0 6 DAWSON. MY NAME IS ROSA LOPEZ. I LIVE AT SIX 10 DAWSON, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY, AND I AM HAPPY TO SEE IMPROVEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. HAVE A GOOD DAY. BYE. FIVE ITEM 17 3 11 CEDAR. THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 3 1 1 CEDAR STREET CASE 2 0 2 3 DASH 2 24. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE O H P STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS. WE CONCUR WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. ITEM 21 3 35. KING WILLIAM, THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 3 3 5 KING WILLIAMS STREET. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 2 5 4. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE O H P STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ALL ITEMS OF WORK AS PROPOSED SINCE THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES WILL BE AT THE BACK CORNER OF THE LOT AND CANNOT BE VIEWED FROM THE PUBLIC STREET. THE PROPOSED RED COLOR OF THE SHADE MATERIAL WILL HAVE NO VISUAL IMPACT. THANK YOU. ITEM 22 25 0, 25 0 7 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. YES, THIS IS FOR 25 0 7 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 2 4 6. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I CHAIR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P AND A AND THE NINE MEMBER BOARD OF MP A'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR INVESTMENT TO PROVIDE BUFFERING AND SECURING TO THEIR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 25 0 7 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. THIS IS MORE THAN JUST ONE PROPERTY AND IS CONSIDERED A SMALL CAMPUS IN THE COMMUNITY WITH MULTIPLE BUILDINGS AND AMENITIES. WE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF OPERATIONS ON A PROPERTY LOCATED ON A CORNER, LOT BOUNDED BY AN ARTERIAL STREET ON ONE SIDE, A RESIDENTIAL STREET ON ANOTHER, AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE OTHER TWO SIDES. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING WITH STAFF TO INTRODUCE FENCING, WHICH IS SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINES AND HAS CONSIDERATION TO THE CLEAR VISION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE INTERSECTION AT FREDERICKSBURG ROAD AND QUENTIN DRIVE. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PROPERTY AT 25 0 7 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD AND WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THOSE ARE ALL THE VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE LETTERS, UH, IN YOUR PACKETS. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIR, ID LIKE TO PULL NUMBER ONE. NUMBER ONE, MR. CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER SIX, NUMBER 16 AND NUMBER 18 PLEASE. ANY OTHER TO BE PULLED. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WISH TO PULL ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR RECUSE. [00:15:01] ACTUALLY, I'LL RECUSE OFF THE ENTIRE CONSENT. 3, 4, 5. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE CHAIRMAN HAS LEFT THE ROOM. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINING ITEMS, UH, OTHER THAN 6 16 18? I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. AND ONE AND ONE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. REMAINING CONSENT AGENDA WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE REMAINING ITEMS WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. SAVINO AYE. REGARD? AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. MOTION CARRIES. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS SEVEN 20 NORTH ST. MARY'S, TWO 19 VITA AND 1 45 NAVARRO, 1210 EAST EL MARA, TWO 50 LAUREL HEIGHTS, FIVE 10 EAST LOCUST 1 0 9 MAGNOLIA SIX 20 SOUTH PRESA TWO 17 VANS 4 34 ADAMS TWO 11 LASSO 10 20 BURNETT 1431 EAST COMMERCE 5 0 2 SHERMAN, THREE 11 CEDAR EIGHT 13 BURLESON 8 23 CAMDEN 3 35 KING WILLIAM, AND 25 0 7 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. ITEM ONE, UH, 1000, OR EXCUSE ME, 11 11 5 WBA ROAD. UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES PULLED THIS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, PRESENT IF YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS CAROLINE MCDONALD WITH BROWN AND MCDONALD. UH, 100 NORTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10 HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY PROPERTY OWNER. UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ATTACHED INFORMATION, UH, THIS IS A VERY SMALL, SMALL PARCEL. IT'S ABOUT 726 SQUARE FEET. UM, IT IS AN OLD HISTORIC BUILDING BUILT IN THE 1920S. UM, WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT IT, UH, BE DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC, UM, FOR SOME SMALL REHABILITATION ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. YEAH, YOU ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS AND, UH, WHEN YOU INTRODUCED THE, UH, THE PROJECT. SO I, I DON'T SEE ANY OF THE PICTURE OF THE ARTWORK THAT WAS DONE BY MR. I'M GONNA, LET'S SEE HERE. I I THINK THE, THE, THE WRITEUP SAYS THAT THERE'S ARTWORK ON THE, ON THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT WAS DONE SOME STONE ARTWORK. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. AND THERE, IT'S, I'M NOT SURE. IS THAT ON THE ST. MATTHEW'S PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR? YES, THERE'S SOME ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT IN FOR THIS . SO I CAN SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. SO THE PICTURES SHOWN ARE ACTUALLY ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, UM, ON THE ST. MATTHEW'S SPORT COMPLEX. UM, THERE IS ONE FEATURE AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY ON WBA ROAD, A FOUNTAIN, UM, BUT IS NOT CURRENTLY WITHIN THE REQUEST TODAY. UM, THE REQUEST IS THIS BUILDING IN FRONT OF YOU. OKAY. SO STAFF, WHY IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT ARTWORK IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST? SINCE THIS, IT'S WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, USING TO JUSTIFY THE BUILDING. PART OF THE, PART OF THE REQUEST IS USED. UH, THE ARTWORK IS USED TO JUSTIFY THE REQUEST. THE, UH, PHOTOS THAT WERE USED TO JUSTIFY THE REQUEST WERE THE PHOTOS THAT WERE SENT, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT AND THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS. WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE NOT TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS, UH, DESIGNATION. AND BECAUSE THESE ARE PRIVATE ARTWORKS THAT, UH, ARE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, WE, WE MADE A DECISION NOT TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE, UH, PUBLIC NOTICE. WELL, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A CASE THAT WAS INITIATED BY, BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. SO IT'S THEIR REQUEST FOR THIS BUILDING. AND SO OUR, OUR EVALUATION IS IN REGARDS TO THAT BUILDING. UM, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS IS THE ARTWORK INDICATED THE NAME OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND SO THAT WAS ALSO PART OF THE RESEARCH. SO WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF CONNECT THE DOTS USING, UH, THAT HISTORY. OKAY. AND WE DO KNOW THAT, WE DO KNOW THAT IT WAS BUILT IN THE TWENTIES THEN. IS THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S FOR SURE. OKAY. [00:20:01] AND DID YOU GUYS GET OUT TO SEE IT AT ALL? DID STAFF GET OUT THERE? YOU DID, YES. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL BASED UPON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. I'LL SECOND MOTION. I SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. SAVINO AYE. REGARD? AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRUB. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR RECOGNIZING THE HISTORIC VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY AND, AND BRINGING IT FORWARD FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. UH, NEXT IS ITEM 6 1 23 NORTH ST. MARY'S, SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BENEATH THE NORTH ST. MARY'S RIVER BRIDGE. HELLO, MY NAME IS GRACE BODEWIN. I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH LAKE PLATO ARCHITECTS. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, CHRIS HILL. HE'S RECENTLY LEASED THIS PROPERTY FROM THE CITY. THEY ARE ADJACENT DEVELOPERS OF THE CANOPY HOTEL AND ARE LOOKING TO ESTABLISH A SMALL LITTLE FOOD AND BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT UNDER THE ST. MARY STREET BRIDGE. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. YEAH. THANK YOU. UM, I WANTED TO POLL THIS BECAUSE I HAD MORE QUESTIONS. SURE. JUST ABOUT THE PROJECT IN GENERAL. I KNOW THAT IT WENT TO A D R C A WHILE BACK AND I WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE, BUT, UM, COULD ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, REPORT ON WHAT Y'ALL DISCUSSED AND YEAH, I THINK IT WAS MYSELF AND CHAIR CHAIRMAN FETZER. BUT, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS THE SIZE, THE IMPACT OF THE BAR AS IT RELATES TO THE, THE SIDEWALK, THE LIGHTING. UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? THE, THE USE OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THERE TO POWER IT AND TO SERVICE IT. UH, ONE POINT OF CONTENTION, I BELIEVE WAS THE, I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE POINT OF CONTENTION, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS THE GATE THAT YOU'RE GONNA USE TO CLOSE OFF SOME OF YOUR, UH, UH MM-HMM. , UH, SUPPORT STRUCTURE RIGHT'S GONNA STARE. THEY, AND I KNOW WE GAVE YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS MM-HMM. , IF YOU COULD KIND OF BRIEF US ON SOME OF THE YEAH. INPUTS YOU PUT SOME OF THE CHANGES YOU MADE BASED ON OUR RECOMMENDATION ACTUALLY THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP. UM, SO WE DID END UP SHIFTING THE BAR AS MUCH AS WE THOUGHT WAS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW A LITTLE MORE ROOM FOR QUEUING FOR THE PUBLIC. WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN MAINTAINING THAT HISTORIC EASEMENT AND THAT RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE PUBLIC RIVERWALK TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO NOT INFRINGE ON THAT AT ALL. UM, THE, THE SECURITY ENCLOSURE THAT DOES GO AROUND THE BAR DURING ALL, WHENEVER THE BAR IS OPEN, IT WOULD REMAIN OPEN DURING OPERATION. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS WE PROVIDED, WHICH WAS ALSO A COMMENT THAT WE GOT FROM THAT MEETING. YEAH, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE INTENT OF KEEPING IT SMALL, KEEPING IT TRANSITORY IN NATURE, NOT HAVING PEOPLE PARK THEMSELVES AND IMPEDE TRAFFIC. THAT WAS A CONCERN. RIGHT. UH, THAT WE HAVE. AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KEEPING THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS IN PLACE, WHICH ARE THAT EASEMENT. THE EXISTING STONE THAT IS BEHIND, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE RENDERINGS IS HISTORIC. WE'RE NOT ATTACHING TO THAT IN ANY WAY. SO IF WE WERE, IF THE CITY AT SOME POINT WANTED TO COME BACK AND TAKE THIS FAR OUT, ALL OF THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS WOULD REMAIN INTACT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND HOW ARE, HOW ARE YOU GETTING YOUR, UM, WATER AND ELECTRICAL SERVICE? HOW IS THAT BEING PROVIDED? THERE'S AN EXISTING ELECTRICAL METER THAT, THERE'S A LITTLE UTILITY CLOSET YOU CAN GO TO. WELL, IT'S JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT CATCHMENT BASEMENT. THERE'S A EXISTING CITY UTILITY CLOSET THAT WE CAN TIE OUR ELECTRIC PANEL INTO. AND SO WHERE ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS RUN ABOVE THAT HISTORIC STONE IS WHERE OUR CONDUIT WOULD BE FOR WATER AND SEWER. WE'RE ACTUALLY TRENCHING AND TYING BACK INTO THE CANOPY HOTEL. OKAY. THE QUESTION THAT I WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN IS, UM, THE ARRANGEMENT YOU HAVE WITH THE CITY IS A LEASE. AND WHAT IS THE DURATION OF THAT LEASE? UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT INFORMATION. UM, LEIGHTON WHO'S A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE OWNER IS ON HIS WAY. HE GOT STUCK IN TRAFFIC, BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, STAFF CAN MAYBE JUMP IN HERE. UH, SO, UM, AT THE RIVER LEVEL AND STREET LEVEL DOWNTOWN, UM, ANY LEASE SPACE, UM, WHETHER THAT BE FOR PATIO SEATING OR A BAR LIKE THIS IS APPROVED BY, UH, C C D O, UM, FOR THE [00:25:01] CITY. UM, AND SO, UM, THERE'S A STIPULATION, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH C C D O STAFF. UH, THERE'S A STIPULATION THAT THEY GO AND GET FINAL APPROVAL FOR A LEASE OR, OR FOR THE, THE, THE SPECIFICS OF THE LEASE TO HAVE THIS PLAN APPROVED. UM, AT THAT TIME, ONCE THEY RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM THE COMMISSION. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FINALIZED WITH C C D O. OKAY. OKAY. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS BY WHICH SOMEBODY CAN DO THIS. MM-HMM. , I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. I THINK IT'S UNPRECEDENTED. YEAH. YEAH. SO, UM, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO OTHER QUESTIONS. OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE. SURE. UM, ONE IS, THIS IS A LEASE, BUT THESE, UH, PART OF THIS CONSTRUCTION IS QUOTE UNQUOTE BUILT IN. CORRECT? CORRECT. UH, DOES PART OF THE LEASE INCLUDE REMOVAL OF THOSE ITEMS ONCE THE LEASE IS TERMINATED? AGAIN, THAT IS PROBABLY A GREAT LEASE QUESTION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FINALIZE WITH, UM, C C B O. OKAY. UM, AGAIN, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT COULD BE A, UM, COST TO THE, TO THE TENANT YES. TO REMOVE ANYTHING THAT WAS INSTALLED, UH, THAT THE CITY WANTED REMOVED. UM, AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IF WE GO, YEAH, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR PLAN UP HERE MM-HMM. , UM, THE TWO, UH, SORT OF FREESTANDING TABLES MM-HMM. , ESPECIALLY THE ONE IN THE CENTER IS SORT OF BOOMERANG SHAPED. RIGHT. UM, IT LOOKS VERY NICE AND NEAT WITH THE CHAIRS TUCKED UNDERNEATH THE EDGE OF THE TABLE, BUT WE KNOW HOW PEOPLE SIT AT TABLES AND WONDERING IF, UH, THAT, UH, TABLE COULD BE MOVED FURTHER INTO THE SITE SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE PUSHING THEIR CHAIRS OUT OR SITTING NOT UNDERNEATH THE TABLE, THAT UH, YOU'RE NOT IMPACTING THE, THE PUBLIC'S SIDEWALK. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. I THINK WE CAN ADJUST THAT TABLE ACCORDINGLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER SANES, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ON THE D R C, YOU SAID THOSE TABLES, THE BOOMERANG TABLE AND THE ONE NEXT TO IT, THEY WERE GONNA BE COUNTER HEIGHT? OR DID YOU ALWAYS HAVE THEM? THE BOOMERANG TABLE IS A HIGH TOP TABLE. SO THAT ONE IS MEANT, IT'S MEANT TO BE A TRANSIENT SPACE. THE, UM, OPERATORS DON'T WANT PEOPLE SITTING AND HANGING OUT FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME. IT'S VERY MUCH A TAKE AND GO CONCEPT. AND SO BY PROVIDING THAT SORT OF BAR HEIGHT TABLE, THE IDEA IS PEOPLE ARE MORE FLUID, THEY'RE RESTING, THEY'RE STOPPING FOR A MINUTE, AND THEN THEY'RE MOVING ON. SO THAT ONE WILL HAVE HIGH CHAIRS OR HIGHER CHAIRS. HIGH CHAIRS. MM-HMM. . OKAY. GOTCHA. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. WILL YOU ALL HAVE A, A SEAT AT THE TABLE WHEN THEY MEET WITH CC? UH, DO TO DISCUSS PARTICULARLY THE, THAT PRINCIPLE OF REVERSIBILITY THAT THE CHAIRMAN WAS TOUCHING UPON? UH, I MEAN THAT, THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT THAT STAFF ADDRESSES CONCERN WITH, UM, THE PROCESS, UM, THE COMMISSION REVIEWS IT AND GIVES THEIR APPROVAL AND THEN CCC D O MAKES SURE, MAKES SURE OR ENSURES THAT, UH, STIPULATIONS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, OR WHAT THE COMMISSION APPROVES IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY FIND TO BE BEST FOR THE RIVER WALKER DOWNTOWN. UM, SO, UM, IF THERE WAS, UH, A STIPULATION OF REVERSIBILITY INCLUDED, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT O H P STAFF AS WELL AS, UH, OTHER CITY STAFF WOULD, WOULD, UM, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MOVING FORWARD WHEN DRAFTING A LEASE OR A FINAL AGREEMENT. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST. OH, ONE MOMENT WE HAVE A QUESTION DOWN HERE. COMMISSIONER ZUKA. YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION. I WAS, I WAS ALSO AT THE D R C MM-HMM. AND, AND THE MAIN ISSUE WAS IMPEDING THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT? BECAUSE IT WAS RATHER NARROW MM-HMM. JUST TO BEGIN WITH. BUT, UM, ARE THERE, I'M SURE THERE ARE, BUT I DON'T SEE THEM ON THE MAP. UH, ON THE OUT DIAGRAM, UH, PROVISIONS FOR TRASH CANS BECAUSE I ASSUME YOU'RE GONNA BE USING PAPER CUP OR PLASTIC CUPS AND SUCH. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED WITH THEIR OPERATIONS TEAM, BUT I THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF PROVISION FOR WASTE AND RECYCLING THAT WE COULD INCLUDE. YEAH. YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO MOTION TIME? UM, I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, AND AN ADDED EIGHTH STIPULATION THAT ALL FEATURES BE REMOVABLE UPON THE, UH, END OF THE LEASE OR THE ABANDONMENT BY THE, [00:30:02] UH, LEASE OF THE LEASE. AND I'M TRYING TO WORD IT SO THAT, AND I CAN USE SOME HELP HERE. UM, THAT WHEN THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS LEAVES THAT THE, THE STUFF GOES AWAY ALSO MM-HMM. AND IS REMOVABLE. I THINK THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THE CITY WOULD WANNA RELEASE IT TO SOMEONE, ANOTHER TENANT IN THE FUTURE. IT SEEMS LIKE IF THE OWNER AND MY CLIENT IS, THEY'RE INVESTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND I THINK IT WILL BECOME AN AMENITY TO THE RIVERWALK. SO I COULD SEE THE CITY CONTINUING TO LEASE THIS PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK IT'S A ONE TIME COMMISSIONER SAID, LET'S GET, HOW ABOUT A SUGGESTION OF, LET'S GET A SECOND ON THE MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS AND MAYBE AMEND IT. OKAY. I'LL DO A SECOND. UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S ONLY FOUR STIPULATIONS. YOU ALSO SAID FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN. I DIDN'T SEE THAT. THERE'S ONLY FOUR RELATIONS. JUST TO CLARIFY. UM, I AGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T REALLY SEE IF IT'S AN AMENDMENT. I JUST MAYBE WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S A CHANGE OF CONCEPT THEN THAT WOULD BE REMOVED. EITHER THAT OR ANY ADDITIONAL AD ANYTHING WE HAVE TO COME HERE. ANYTHING, ANY CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS BEEN BUILT FOR THIS PROJECT THAT THE CITY WANTS REMOVED AT THE END OF THIS LEASE, THAT IT'S PART OF THE LEASE? WELL, PART OF THE IMPETUS FOR THIS IS THE REVERSIBILITY. WHAT'S THE POINT OF REVERSIBILITY IF IT'S NEVER GOING AWAY? RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY. ULTIMATELY, THIS COMMISSION IS A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE, TO THE, TO THE STAFF. AND SO, LIKE EDWARD SAID, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE DRAFTING THE LEASE AGREEMENT. BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHARE THE CONCERN. UM, IF THERE WAS EVER A VACANCY AT THIS SPACE, WE WOULDN'T WANT, UM, SOME OF THESE THINGS TO SORT OF LINGER. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S REAL IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE TO PUBLIC PROPERTY, SO THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THE CITY WITH SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES, THE ELECTRICITY, THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING INTO THIS. AND SO IT ALSO WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO COMPLETELY REMOVE EVERYTHING AT THE END OF A LEASE WHEN THERE COULD BE ANOTHER OPERATOR IN THE FUTURE. SURE. SURE. UM, SO AT WHAT POINT DO I AMEND THAT OTHER STIPULATION? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPHRASE THAT? THAT WORK PERFORM BE REVERSIBLE. OKAY. DOES THE SECOND CONCUR. SECOND CONCURS. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? JUST, JUST MR. CARPENTER JUST TO MENTION THAT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A MORE CONCISE AND SUPPORTIVE, SUPPORTABLE WAY OF APPROACHING IT SO THAT IT'S NOT TIED TO A PARTICULAR LEASE CONTRACT. BUT AT THE TIME OF THIS VENUE, NO LONGER BEING USED FOR THIS PURPOSE, IT BE REVERSIBLE AND, AND THE, THE SEE. RIGHT. IF, IF, IF, IF THE CITY HAS ANOTHER LEASE ONLINE THAT WANTS TO KEEP THOSE MATERIAL, KEEP THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT AT THE CITY LEVEL. CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I'M THEY. HEY, YOU KNOW, DON'T TEAR IT DOWN. WE'RE GONNA USE IT AND THEN THEY IN THEY IN TURN INCUR THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR TEARING IT DOWN OR REVERSING IT AT THE END OF THEIR LEASE. IS THAT CORRECT? WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT LEASE ARE. YES. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON BY THE COMMISSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO AYE REGARD? AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 16. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS COTTON ES. I AM THE APPLICANT AND HOMEOWNER AND ARCHITECT. AND IN FULL DISCLOSURE, UM, MY, MY HUSBAND IS THE BUILDER AND MY FATHER IS THE CO ARCHITECT. SO IT'S A FAMILY AFFAIR. . OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND. UM, UH, FOR THIS, UM, I DID HAVE QUESTIONS, NOT FOR YOU, BUT MORE FOR STAFF. UM, I HAVE COMMENTS FOR THE, UM, REGARDING THE PROJECT. I THINK IT IS A VERY NICE PROJECT. I THINK, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS GOING ON AND, UM, UM, HAPPY THAT YOU'RE REDEVELOPING THE BACKSIDE OF YOUR VERY LONG LOT. THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR STAFF, UM, IS, UM, I, AND THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY ALLUDE TO THIS. AND MY FIRST READING OF THIS CASE ALLUDED [00:35:01] TOLD ME THAT THIS, THAT THERE'S SOME CONFLICTS HERE. UM, AS THE DEVELOPMENT THE, OR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION RELATES TO THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO TELL ME HOW THAT WORKS WHEN THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT. UM, AND THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YEP. I CAN, I I WOULD ALSO LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY'S COMMENTS AS WELL. I THINK THERE'S SOME OVERLAP THERE. UM, BUT YOU FIRST PLEASE. WELL, YEAH, LET ME JUST RESPOND TO THE GUIDELINES QUESTION. UM, SO IT IS CORRECT THAT THE GUIDELINES TYPICALLY WILL REQUIRE THAT ACCESSORIES RELATE TO SORT OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AND THAT GUIDANCE IS THERE SO THAT AS BUILDINGS ARE INTRODUCED TO THE SITE, THEY, UM, ARE PUSHED IN A DIRECTION THAT IS COMPATIBLE. RIGHT? AND SO IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO, UH, PROVIDE FEEDBACK, UM, FOR DESIGN SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM TO A PLACE THAT ARE MORE COMPATIBLE. UM, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT MEANT TO STIFLE A SOLID DESIGN. AND SO EVERY NOW AND THEN WE GET SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, VERY NICELY DETAILED, VERY PROPORTIONATE AND SCALE IN ITS SURROUNDING AREA. UM, MIGHT USE INDIGENOUS OR NATIVE MATERIALS AND WE FIND THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE. UM, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT MATCHES NECESSARILY THE PRIMARY, BUT I, WE DO FEEL THAT IT SATISFIES THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES IN THIS CASE. SO AM I CORRECT THAT YOU REVIEWED THIS ONE OR I THOUGHT IT WAS MRS. ESPINOZA WHO DID THIS ONE? WELL, YES, CLAUDIA'S THE CASE MANAGER, BUT WE ALSO DOWN AND REVIEWED THESE TOGETHER. OH, OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO I, MY CONCERN COMES ABOUT BECAUSE JUST RECENTLY WE HAD SOMETHING IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT CAME BACK ONCE OR TWICE BECAUSE OF ROOF FORM. AND IT'S THE ROOF FORM THAT I WAS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT, THAT WE WOULD SPEND EFFORT ON ANOTHER NEIGHBOR AND APPLICANT. AND WE'RE NOT EVEN MENTIONING ROOF FORM IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. SO THIS IS MORE OF MY CONCERN WITH HOW CASES ARE REVIEWED AND THE CONSISTENCY OF THAT REVIEW. UM, BECAUSE IT MAKES IT ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT WHEN SOME NEIGHBORS GET SOME THINGS AND OTHERS DON'T AND GO THROUGH A, A MORE STRINGENT PROCESS. AND THERE'S A WAY WE CAN BE MORE CONSISTENT ABOUT IT. I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE, UM, EVERYBODY. SO I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS MS. ES? UH, SURE. I THINK JUST, UM, TO ADD ON TO CORY'S COMMENTS, UM, ONE OF THE DRIVERS OF THE ROOF FORM WAS, UH, THE SPECIFICITY OF THIS PARTICULAR CONTEXT. UM, IN OUR D R C MEETING, WE REVIEWED A NUMBER OF PRECEDENTS SURROUNDING, UH, THIS, THIS PROPERTY, PARTICULARLY TO THE SOUTH AND WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF FLAT ROOF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS. UM, HISTORICALLY, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT 1920S AND FIFTIES SANBORN MAPS, YOU CAN SEE THAT BROWN ALLEY AND BROWN STREET WERE POPULATED BY A NUMBER OF SHOTGUN STYLE SMALL OF INDUSTRIAL STYLE BUILDINGS. UM, PRESUMABLY WORKER, WORKER HOUSING. UH, AND THOSE, THOSE BUILDINGS WERE CALLED OUT IN THE SANBORN MAPS AS A MIX OF MASONRY STEEL AND OR, OR METAL CONSTRUCTION AND WOOD FRAMING. UM, SO PART OF THE REASON, UH, WE PROPOSED A FLAT ROOF WAS FOR ONE TO NOT COMPETE WITH HISTORIC BUILDINGS NEARBY, WHICH ARE TALLER. YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED TOP OF ROOF LINE IS IN LINE OR JUST BELOW THE EAVES OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THIS SITE. UM, AND IT ALSO MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, MUCH, MUCH MORE DISCREET, PRACTICALLY INVISIBLE, UM, FROM THE STREET. SO OUR INTENTION IS TO IMPOSE AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE, UM, REALIZING THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, CONCEALED, CONCEALED FROM VIEW AND WITHIN THE HISTORIC PATTERN OF FLAT ROOF, UM, SEMI-INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS NEARBY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL DO A MOTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO NAY. UM, BURGAR, UH, AYE. MOOKA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? NOPE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. AGENDA ITEM 18. HELLO, MY NAME IS PATRICK PARCH. I'M WITH THE CITY [00:40:01] OF SAN ANTONIO PARKS AND REC. I'M A DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION COORDINATOR FOR THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND. ALSO, I PULLED THIS BECAUSE I JUST HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE PARCEL. EXCUSE ME. YES. AS WELL AS, UH, THE ACTIVITY. UM, MY QUESTION IS, UH, IF WE ARE PUTTING A FENCE AROUND THE PARK AND PUTTING A GATE, WHAT IS PARKS, UM, PROGRAM FOR THIS PARTICULAR PART GOING FORWARD AND HOW DOES ONE ACCESS IT? SO THE, UH, GATES WILL, THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING ON THE FRONT FOR THE MOST PART WILL ALWAYS REMAIN OPEN EXCEPT AT PARKS TIME THAT THE PARK CLOSES. MM-HMM. . UM, THE PLAN FOR THIS, UM, UH, IMPROVEMENT IS WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, UH, THE ART SAN ANTONIO ART INITIATIVE AND WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, PUTTING, UM, A NEW DESIGN ON THE BASKETBALL COURT, THE FENCE, AND THEN LIGHTING. UM, PRETTY MUCH THAT'S THE SCOPE OF THIS WORK RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WELL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. UM, I THINK THIS IS, UM, A LONG WEIGHTED WORK ON THIS PARK. IT'S A, UM, IT'S A NICE LITTLE TREASURE AND IT, IT NEEDS SOME FOCUS, IT NEEDS SOME FOCUS AND SOME WORK. DEFINITELY. SO APPRECIATE THAT GREATLY. SO I WANT A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. YES. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO AYE. REGARD? AYE. MIZUKI. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK Y'ALL. AGENDA [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] ITEM 23 HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. SO AGENDA ITEM 24. AGENDA ITEM 24 H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 23 2 4 7 5 15 NORTH MESQUITE AND 1 0 5 THROUGH ONE 13 BROWN ALLEY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT SIX MULTI-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOTS ADDRESSED AS 1 0 5, 1 0 7, 1 0 9, 1 11, AND ONE 13 BROWN STREET AND 1 0 5 NORTH MESQUITE STREET. LOCATED WITHIN THE DIG DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE LOTS ARE BOUND BY BROWN STREET TO THE SOUTH, NORTH MESQUITE TO THE EAST BROWN ALLEY TO THE NORTH. EACH OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES WILL FEATURE BETWEEN 23 AND 33 FEET IN HEIGHT. A PREVIOUS PROPOSAL AT THIS LOCATION WAS APPROVED BY THE H D R C ON OCTOBER THE SECOND 2019. SINCE THAT TIME, THE PROPERTY OWNER DESIGN TEAM AND APPLICANT HAVE CHANGED. ADDITIONALLY, THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AND APPROVED DUPLEX STRUCTURE HAS BEEN SEPARATED INTO TWO STRUCTURES. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. UH, COMMISSIONERS THERE ARE, UH, 14 ITEMS. UH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ ALL 14 INTO THE RECORD OR WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO BE PART OF, UM, US WORKING THROUGH THIS? I THINK IF WE, UH, WORK THROUGH IT WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, PERFECT. UH, THE APPLICANT, LOUISA NAVE IS HERE. I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO, UM, SOMEONE FROM HER DESIGN TEAM HERE AS WELL. UM, LOUISA, IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT AND THEN, UM, I WILL PULL THE STIPULATIONS BACK UP AND WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LUISA AND I JUST, UM, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER. EXCUSE ME, WOULD YOU PULL THE MIC A LITTLE CLOSER? SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? THANK YOU. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LUISA AND THIS IS A PREVIOUS PROJECT THAT AGAIN, UH, IT WAS APPROVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO. WE'RE DOING CHANGES AND SINCE OUR LAST MEETING WE HAD A A, A MEETING BEFORE THIS MEETING AND SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, WE MADE CHANGES TO THE ROOF LINES AS RECOMMENDED FROM SHED TO GABLE ROOFS THAT ALSO HELP US WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE, OUR HIGHEST HOME. UH, CHANGING FROM 34 TO 32 FEET. UM, AND THE HIGH THAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON THE, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THE HIGHEST HIGH WAS 32 AS WELL. SO, UH, IN CONCLUSION, I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WILL HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT IN CONCLUSION I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, WE ARE SMALLER THAN THE I D C PLAN. UH, WE'RE THE, WE HAVE A SMALLER PERCENTAGE OF BUILDING THAN THE, THE PREVIOUS PLANS AS WELL WITH A 40%, A 40 POINT 92% OF BUILDING, UH, OF FOOTPRINT. WE HAVE BIGGER SETBACKS THAN THE PREVIOUS, UH, PLANS APPROVED THE SAME HEIGHT AND WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THE ALLEY USABLE AND DRIVABLE. WE [00:45:01] ALSO HAVE THE, UH, I KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE ALLEY, MY ENGINEERS HERE. WE HAVE THE APPROVAL BY THE CITY OF STREETS AND TRAFFIC, UM, WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL AND WASTE MANAGEMENT APPROVED AS WELL. WE ARE IMPROVING THAT ALLEY AND WE ARE KEEPING THE MATERIALS APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC, YOU WERE USING CLAT WINDOWS INSTEAD OF, UH, ALUMINUM. AGAIN, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON THE, ON THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WAS WITH SMOOTH FIBER CEMENT INSTEAD OF, UM, BRICK AND WITH A CORRESPONDING EXPOSURE HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY. SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN GO AHEAD AND START WORKING THROUGH THESE COMMENTS. UM, I WILL NOTE THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A HANDFUL OF SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENTS. UM, THIS PACKAGE THAT I HAVE PULLED UP HERE WAS SUBMITTED TO STAFF TODAY. FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE, THE, THE, THE ROOF LINE ADDITION OF, UH, A COUPLE OF WINDOW OPENINGS. UM, BUT THERE ARE PERSPECTIVES ADDED, UM, THAT MAY, UH, GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OR INFORM, INFORM YOU A BIT BETTER ON, UH, THE MASSING IN IN ROOF PROFILES. UH, SO THE FIRST OFF IS THAT ALL ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION, FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITE, INCLUDING PORCH AND ROOF ELEMENTS, FEATURE A SETBACK THAT IS GREATER THAN THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH FOUR 13 NORTH MESQUITE IS NOTED IN FINDING F UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS INCLUDED. UM, UH, FOUR 13 NORTH MESQUITE. UM, I WILL DRAW, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UM, WHERE THAT STRUCTURE IS LOCATED HERE. UM, THE APPLICANT COULD CONFIRM SETBACK AND CONFIRM COMPLIANCE WITH STAFF STIPULATION THROUGH SUBMITTING A SETBACK DIAGRAM. UM, IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS, UH, OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SETBACK, COMMISSIONERS NOT, I'LL KEEP GOING. UM, QUESTION, SO IS YOUR FOUR 15, UH, HAVE A GREATER EQUAL OR GREATER SETBACK THAN FOUR 13? YEAH. OKAY. WE HAVE I D C, SO WE ARE REQUIRED FIVE FEET, BUT WE'RE GONNA LEAVE A 10 FEET, UH, THE FRONT AND ALSO WE'RE LEAVING THE SIGHT SETBACKS BIGGER 'CAUSE WE'RE DEDICATING ONE FOOT OF OUR PROPERTY TO THE ALLEY SO WE HAVE GREATER, UM, SETBACKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THE, UH, SECOND COMMENT WAS THAT OVERALL PORCH DESIGNED FOR EACH HOUSE BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDING DOOR AND WINDOW PROFILES AND PLACEMENT WITHIN PORCHES AND PORCH DEPTH WHERE THE PORCH IS AT LEAST FIVE FEET. ADDITIONALLY, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT EACH PORCH SHOULD FEATURE COLUMNS THAT ARE SIX INCHES SQUARE AND FEATURE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM. UM, HISTORICALLY STRUCTURES WITHIN THE DISTRICT FEATURE PORCH MASSING THAT'S INTEGRAL TO THE OVERALL MASSING OF EACH STRUCTURE. UM, THAT'S PRIMARILY WHERE STAFF'S COMMENT COMES FROM. THERE ARE, UM, ELEMENTS OR PORCHES THAT, UM, BEGIN TO APPROACH THAT, UH, FOR SOME OF THE STRUCTURES. UH, BUT THEN, UH, IT, THERE, THERE ARE SOME STRUCTURES TO WHERE THE PORCH ELEMENTS TEND TO NOT BE AS DE AS DEEP OR FEATURE, UH, PORCH MASSING OR ELEMENTS THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT. UH, SO, UH, ONE OF THE STRUCTURES IS, UM, IS, UH, LOUISA, YOU MAY HAVE TO HELP ME ON WHICH LOT THIS IS ON. OH, THIS IS PROBABLY LOT, UH, 28 IF I'M CORRECT. YES. UH, BUT IF YOU SEE, UM, YES, IT IS LOT 28. YEAH, IT'S OUR, OUR HOUSE THAT HAS A SMALLER PORCH. ON THE OTHER ONES, I KNOW YOU GUYS RECOMMEND, UH, FIVE, FIVE FEET. WE HAVE FOUR EXCEPT OF THAT ONE BECAUSE OUR LOTS ARE SO TINY AND WE'RE DOING, IF WE WERE TO MAKE THE PORCH BIGGER, WE WOULD LOSE THOSE SET. UH, THE 10 FOOT SETBACKS, THE, THE 10 FEET SETBACK, SORRY. AND, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, LOT 29 WHERE THERE'S, UH, JUST A SMALL RECESS, UH, SOMEWHAT OF ASTUTE FACING NORTH MESQUITE STREET FOR THE PORCH. YEAH, AGAIN, AGAIN, ON, ON THAT PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY FOR, UH, 15, IT'S CRUCIAL THE STEP, THE SETBACKS BECAUSE, UH, IT'S A FRONT OF THE, OF THE PROJECT IS THE FACE OF THE PROJECT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LEAVE THAT SET THE 10 FOOT SETBACK. AND WE ARE OKAY. UH, SORRY, CHANGING THE COLUMNS FROM, UH, SIX BY SIX TO EIGHT BY EIGHT WITH TRIM TO MAKE IT, UM, AS RECOMMENDED. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, NEXT THREE. THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE WAYS TO REDUCE THE OVERALL HEIGHTS OF THE FIVE INTERIOR STRUCTURES SUCH AS THE LOWERING OF PLATE HEIGHTS AND REDUCTIONS IN ROOF PROFILE IS NOTED IN FINDING K, UM, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN READ [00:50:01] FINDING K UM, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED AN OVERALL HEIGHT FOR EACH INTERIOR STRUCTURE TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 33 FEET IN HEIGHT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR EACH STRUCTURE TO FEATURE TWO FULL STORIES WITH AN OCCUPIED THIRD STORY FEATURING OUTDOOR ROOFTOP SPACE. THIS BLOCK FEATURES BOTH SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES AND SINGLE STORY HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. ON THE BLOCKS OF THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH AND WEST, THERE ARE MULTI-STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES AND INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURES. THE FIVE INTERIOR STRUCTURES FEATURE SIGNIFICANT SETBACKS FROM THE PRIMARY RIGHT OF WAY AT NORTH MESQUITE DAWSON STREET AND NORTH CHERRY. GENERALLY, STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD INCORPORATE WASTE TO REDUCE THE OVERALL HEIGHTS OF EACH OF THE FIVE STRUCTURES, UH, SUCH AS LOWERING THE PLATE HEIGHTS AND REDUCTIONS IN ROOF PROFILES. UM, THERE'S ALSO A COMMENT ABOUT ROOF PROFILES. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS INCORPORATED SOME ROOF PROFILES THAT ARE, UM, I'D SAY ATYPICAL FOR WHAT'S FOUND HISTORICALLY. UM, PRIMARILY, UM, ELONGATED, UH, ROOF SLOPES AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION HERE FOR THE BUILDING THAT'S PROPOSED ON LOT 25. UM, AND THEN JUST THE COMPLEXITY OR THE, UM, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, GABLED ROOFS OR, UH, GABLED ROOFS FEATURING, UM, UH, ASYMMETRICAL PROFILES. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UM, THE INFILL WORKSHEETS AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE INFILL WORKSHEETS, UM, THERE IS TWO STORY NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, THERE ARE, UH, COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE SPACE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S THREE STORY INFILL CONSTRUCTION. UH, SO THE OVERALL HEIGHTS AS THEY'RE PROPOSED AREN'T SO DISSIMILAR AS WHAT MAYBE HAS BEEN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY. UM, HOWEVER, I THINK THE GENERAL MASSING, UM, AND THE COMBINATION OF THE MASSING AND ROOF FORMS, UH, MAY ADD TO, UH, ANY IRREGULAR OR UH, UH, PROFILE THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC PROFILES FOUND IN THE DISTRICT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING ROOF FORMS OR PROFILES, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF, BUT IF NOT, I CAN KEEP GOING. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. MM-HMM. , UM, DURING OUR D R C, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD WAS THE USE OF THE INFILL WORK, UH, WORKSHEET MM-HMM. , WHICH IS A REALLY HANDY SUPPLEMENT TO THE GUIDELINES. AND UM, UH, I MADE THE SUGGESTION THAT, UM, YOU RE READDRESS THE, UM, YOUR INFILL DOCUMENT, YOUR CONTEXT AREA BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S FILLED OUT NOW IS NOT TO THE INTENT OR THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE WORKSHEET MM-HMM. AND I THINK THAT COULD HELP US LOOK AND COMPARE ROOF FORMS, VOLUMES, PROFILES OF YOURS WITH THOSE ITEMS WITHIN THE CONTEXT AREA. YEAH. IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU CHOSE NOT TO USE THE CONTEXT AREA AS IT'S, UM, OUTLINED IN THE, UM, SHOP ON, ON WHAT THE HEIGHTS OR, YEAH, SO WE, WE, I ACTUALLY CHANGE AND ADD MORE PROPERTIES TO THE INFILL TO SHOW THE COMMERCIALS. SO THOSE WERE NOT, UH, ON THE PREVIOUS INFILL, BUT UH, WITH THE MEASUREMENTS I WAS NOT ABLE TO, ON THE WEBSITE, I WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND HOW TO MEASURE THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS FROM THE, THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL SITE. RIGHT. IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, BUT IT'S ACCORDING TO THE, THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED, THE CONTEXT AREA IS NOT THE CONTEXT AREA THAT WE SHOULD BE SEEING. THEREFORE, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE BUILDINGS. YOU'RE INCLUDING BUILDINGS LIKE A BLOCK TWO BLOCKS AWAY, WHICH IS COUNTER OR WHICH IS NOT REALLY THE CONTEXT AREA. SO ANYWAY, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS A REASON WHY YOU NO, DIDN'T WANNA, NO, THE REASON, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT OUR PROPERTY IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AREA, SO I REALLY WANTED TO INCORPORATE HOMES, BUT ALSO THE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS THAT SHOW FLAT LINES ON THE ROOF. FLAT, FLAT ROOF. SORRY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UM, MOVING ON. UM, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE MASSING AND FACADE PROFILE OF THE STRUCTURE ON NORTH MESQUITE IS NOTED IN FINDING L IS PROPOSED. THE SECOND LEVEL FEATURES OF WIDTH, UH, THAT IS WIDER THAN THE FIRST LEVEL. THIS MASSING IS NOT FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. UM, I'LL, I'LL PULL THE ELEVATIONS OF THAT UP. UM, TYPICALLY FOR, UH, TWO STORY STRUCTURES, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, MASSING IS BOTH THE SAME OR THE MASSING IS, UH, A BIT REDUCED ON THE SECOND LEVEL THAN IT IS ON THE FIRST LEVEL, UH, INSTEAD OF THE SECOND LEVEL BEING WIDER. UH, SO STAFF'S COMMENT IS ESSENTIALLY THAT, UM, BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND LEVEL, UH, FEATURE SIMILAR WIDTHS. UM, ITEM [00:55:01] FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE PROPOSED ROOF FORMS AS NOTED IN FINDING N UM, WE'VE GENERALLY ALREADY, UM, UH, DISCUSSED THIS. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SPECIFIC COMMENT ABOUT ROOF FORMS, UH, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM MASSING. UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, NUMBER SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED CONFIRMED CONFORMANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES REGARDING FOUNDATION HEIGHTS. AS NOTED IN FINDING M UH, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS, THE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS APPEAR TO BE APPROXIMATELY A FOOT. UM, THIS IS MAINLY STAFF NEEDING AN ANNOTATION ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. OKAY. UM, SEVEN, UM, THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT OR THAT ALL WINDOWS FEATURE PROFILES AND PROPORTIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT, ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION SHOULD BE ADDED TO EACH STRUCTURE ON FACADES THAT FEATURE LARGE EXPENSES OF WALLS, VOID OF SEPARATION AND FENESTRATION. UM, FOR THE MOST PART, THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED FENESTRATION THAT, UM, IS, IS APPROACHING, UM, EXAMPLES THAT WOULD BE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. UM, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME LOCATIONS WHERE, UM, THERE ARE WALLS THAT ARE VOID OF SEPARATION. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE, UM, INSTANCES ON, ON EACH FACADE. AND SO STAFF IS, UH, RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION, UH, NOW UNDERSTANDING, UM, BUILDING CODE THAT THERE MAY BE, UM, CURRENT, UH, SETBACK ISSUES OR THERE MAY BE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE RATING FOR WALLS, UM, THAT MAY CONFLICT WITH THE APPLICANT ADDING ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION. UM, THAT KIND OF GETS TO THE IDEA OF IF, DO YOU IN REDUCE BUILDING FOOTPRINT TO ALLOW, UH, MORE SPACE BETWEEN BUILDINGS TO ADD ADDITIONAL WINDOWS OR WHAT. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS. UM, NUMBER EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED FOOTPRINTS TO BE NO LARGER THAN 50% OF THE LOT AREA IS NOTED IN FINDING P. UM, I, I KNOW THAT LUISA HAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL FOOTPRINTS HAVE BEEN REDUCED FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT WAS APPROVED. UM, UH, THERE IS A TABULATION, UM, ON ONE OF THE SHEETS. UM, I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME OR IT MAY BE ON EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY. THAT NOTES, UH, THE, UH, I, I DO HAVE THEM. OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO. YEAH. OVERALL, THE PROJECT, UH, THE AREA LOT, IT'S 11,788 AND THE FOOTPRINT IS FOUR THOU OF THE OVERALL PROJECT IS 4,824, UH, WHICH THAT IS, UH, 40% POINT 92%, 40.92% OF BUILDING FOOTPRINT. DO YOU, UM, DO YOU KNOW THE PERCENTAGES OF EACH LOT? YES, I KNOW. OKAY. YES I DO. AND THIS INCLUDE THE, THE PARKING, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THE FOOTPRINT, UH, BUT IT LOT, THE FIRST LOT IS 51, 55, 52, 47, 52, AND 40 FOR THE, THE, THE LAST ONE, THE 40 IS THE, THE FACE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITE. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. OH YES, SURE. SO THESE ARE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUAL LOTS? YES. OKAY. VERY IMPORTANT. RIGHT. SO WE, WE DO TALK ABOUT A LOT. COVERAGE IS EACH LOT. UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE? UM, WHERE IS PARKING? IT'S ON THE BACK THROUGH THE ALLEY. ALL THE HOUSES HAVE PARKING THROUGH THE ALLEY. HOW MANY PARKING SPACES? JUST ONE FOR EACH HOUSE INCLUDING MESQUITE? UH, YES. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN? YEAH. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHERE MESQUITE PARKS IT'S RIGHT THERE. SO THEY WOULD GO IN AND THEN DRIVE IN? YES. IS THAT TURN? YES. BIG ENOUGH. YES. AND MY ENGINEERS HERE. DO YOU WANNA WAIT FOR HE HAS NO, THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. OKAY. YOU CAN SAY IF YOU SAY IT WITH ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS HE CAN FOR THE ALLEY, HE CAN HELP US. AND THEN STAFF, JUST CLARIFY, WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE, LIKE THIS MESQUITE HAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT GOES OVER THE FOOTPRINT, WE STILL CONSIDER THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT. UH, STAFF LOOKED AT EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT AND THE FOOT, THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT AND THE, UM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR THE FOOTPRINT OF EACH STRUCTURE ON THAT INDIVIDUAL LOT. UM, NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS DRAWN OR HAS THE, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED TO BE THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOTS. UM, AND I I, I CAN'T RECALL AND I DON'T REMEMBER, UM, IF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS WERE, HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AS A SITE PLAN FOR I D Z. I BELIEVE THAT WAS DONE AT THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, UH, IN 2019. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO MODIFY A LOT WITH, TO ACCOMMODATE ONE STRUCTURE OVER ANOTHER. UM, OKAY. UM, [01:00:01] THE, THERE ARE, UM, THERE'S A STIPULATION REGARDING PARKING, UM, AND ALLEY USE THAT, THAT MAY ADDRESS THOSE, UM, QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THAT, UH, MR. ORIAN COULD SPEAK TO HERE IN A SECOND. I, UH, DONALD ORIAN 2 2 1 WEST RHAPSODY. UM, JUST TO, I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED. UM, SO WE HAVE A 14 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY STREET, A 14 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ALLEY. UH, AND, AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR ENTITLEMENT FROM THE I D Z APPROVED SITE PLAN, UH, WE HAD TO PROVIDE ACCESS, UH, TO THIS PROPERTY AND FIRE PROTECTION. AND WHAT WE DECIDED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY AND THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE WAS TO USE THE ALLEY. UM, IT'S JUST A NAME, BROWN STREET, BROWN ALLEY. BUT THE BIG KEY DIFFERENCE WAS IS THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS CONTINUOUS ALL THE WAY TO NORTH MESQUITE. SO WE HAD THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THAT WITH, WE DEDICATED A FOOT TO GET TO, TO GET TO A 15 FOOT PAVED ALLEY. UH, PRIMARILY BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S NOT UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE ALLEY. IT'S THE SINGLE PHASE IS ACTUALLY IN BROWN STREET. AND SO WE'RE, THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE 10 FOOT, UH, DEDICATION ON THE PLATT, UH, FOR THE ELECTRIC AND PHONE AND ON THE BOTTOM, ALL THE UTILITIES WOULD COME FROM THERE, WATER AND SEWER FROM THE ALLEY. BUT WE ALSO NEEDED TO GET IT TO 15 FEET. SO THERE WAS ADEQUATE GARBAGE COLLECTION. AND THEN WE'RE DEDICATING A FIVE FOOT FIRE, UH, PERSONNEL ACCESS EASEMENT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE ALLEY SIDE. AND THAT WAS THROUGH, UH, VARIOUS MEETINGS WITH FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AND WITH STREETS AND, AND, AND IT ENDED WITH THE LAST THREE UNITS HAVING TO HAVE A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM SO THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE FIRE PROTECTION AND EVERYONE WAS HAPPY WITH IT. UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO, WE DIDN'T HAVE GARAGES, UH, 'CAUSE WE NEED 20 FEET FROM THE FACE OF GARAGE BACK TO THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, WHICH COULD NEVER BE ATTAINED. THESE LOTS ARE, ARE JUST TOO SMALL, AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING CARPORTS. UM, BUT YEAH, THE PLATT WAS, UH, HAS BEEN APPROVED, UH, AND IT'S, IT DOES ACCOUNT FOR ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT COME UP AND IT, IT TOOK US QUITE A WHILE TO GET, UH, ALL THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO APPROVE IT, UH, AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ENTITLED, UH, I D Z SITE PLAN. AND OUR, OUR BUILDINGS ARE SMALLER THAN WHAT THE SITE PLAN, UH, DID GET APPROVED BACK IN 2019. AND IT DOES PROVIDE, UH, THAT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, WHICH, UH, WAS ALSO NOT PART OF THAT DISCUSSION BACK IN 2019. SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO PUT THE BIGGEST BUILDING WE CAN, BUT WE ALSO HAD TO ACCOUNT FOR GARBAGE COLLECTION, ACCESS, PARKING, THAT, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. SO, UM, THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, THE, UM, STIPULATION NINE, UH, AND STIPULATION 10 ARE SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS. SO BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING, UH, STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS AS WELL AS WINDOWS, UH, STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS. UM, STIPULATION 11, UM, WAS THAT THE INTERNAL PARKING BE ELIMINATED? UH, COMMISSIONERS, AS YOU KNOW, UM, PARKING HISTORICALLY WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS DETACHED AND OUTSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, UM, THAT'S WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS HERE. UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT AN ENCLOSED OR A GARAGE DOOR ELEMENT, UM, AS WE SEE SOMETIMES, UH, STIPULATION 12, ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UH, 13 IS IN REGARDS TO A LANDSCAPING PLAN. AND, UH, MR. ORIAN JUST ADDRESSED STIPULATION 14, WHICH WAS A STIPULATION REGARDING, UM, ACCESS FOR, FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. UM, SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS OR THAT YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON, WE CAN START WITH THOSE OTHERWISE, UM, LUISA, IF YOU'D LIKE TO NOTE WHICH OF THESE YOU AGREE WITH AND WHICH ONES YOU SPECIFICALLY WANT TO DISCUSS, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, THIS WENT TO A D R C BUT NOT A D R C AFTER STIPULATIONS. CORRECT? IT WAS JUST A INITIAL D R C? CORRECT. THIS WAS SCHEDULED, UM, FOR A, EITHER A PRE-SUBMIT CONSULTATION OR IT'S A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, IN JUNE, UM, WHEN STAFF VISED APPLICATION FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A D R C MEETING, UM, TO WHERE THE APPLICANT CAN COME WITH AN UPDATE TO SPECIFICALLY TALK TO OR ADDRESS THESE COMMENTS. UM, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL IF THE APPLICANT COULD, UM, NOTE WHICH OF THESE, UM, SHE AGREES WITH. AND THEN THAT WOULD LEAVE ANY, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT, NINE, OR HOWEVER MANY PER DISCUSSION. YEAH, I KNOW. I MEAN, BUT SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS ARE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU HAVE IT RIGHT. UM, CAN YOU JUST, IF YOU LOOK AT NINE, CAN YOU JUST REMIND US, UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON NORTH MESQUITE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BROWN ALLEY? I THINK THERE'S SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? MOST OF THESE LOTS ARE CORRECT. UM, AND I'LL ACTUALLY, UM, I COULDN'T, THAT'S, UM, I CAN SHOW YOU THOSE IN THE, UH, SO, UH, THIS STRUCTURE HERE ON THE TOP RIGHT, AND THESE TWO ON THE BOTTOM ARE STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT, UM, ON THESE THREE VACANT LOTS THAT ARE ADDRESSED AS 4 19, 4 23, AND 4 27 NORTH MESQUITE. [01:05:01] YEAH. BUT THEN ALONG BROWN ALLEY, THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY NEW CORRECT. THE IT'S A PARKING LOT. SORRY? IT'S A PARKING LOT FOR, WELL, NO, THE PARKING LOT IS FURTHER DOWN. I MEAN, LIKE 5 12, 5 20 AND 5 22 HAVE NOT ADDED ANYTHING IN THEIR, NOT THAT I CAN REMEMBER OR THINK OF NOW, I DON'T THINK LIKE THERE'S NO OTHER BUILDINGS FACING BROWN ALLEY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AT LEAST FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER. YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. TELL ABOUT THE VACANT LOT, WHAT THE CORRECTING LOT ACROSS THAT? NO, ACROSS THE ALLEY. SO ONE, ONE THING THAT WAS PECULIAR ABOUT THIS ID, EASY SITE PLAN, THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A SMALL PARCEL OF LAND ACROSS FROM THE ALLEY THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE APPROVED PLAN THAT WE'RE ALSO PLATTING, BUT IT'S TO BE VACANT. UH, IT'S REALLY TOO SMALL FOR ANYTHING. SO I THINK YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY SELLING IT TO A NEIGHBOR JUST TO HAVE A NEIGHBOR. YEAH. JUST TO HAVE ADDITIONAL LAND. BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN A NIGHT Z PLAN THAT, THAT HAD SEVEN LOTS WITH ONLY SIX HOMES. IT'S VERY ODD, BUT THAT'S HOW IT WORKS OUT SOMETIMES FOR CONTEXT, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED TO BE PARKING, UM, IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. SO OF THE 14 RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE ADDRESSED, UH, NUMBER 14, UH, THE OTHERS. UM, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SETBACK ON THE MESQUITE PROPERTY MATCHING OR BEING GREATER THAN THE FOUR 13 ADJACENT PROPERTY. HOW MANY OF THE OTHERS ARE YOU, UH, AGREEING WITH OR HAVE ACCOMMODATED? SO, GO AHEAD. SORRY. OH, SORRY. UH, ALL THE MATERIALS, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE BUILT, UH, STRUCTURES, UH, PROJECTS IN THE HISTORIC. SO WE AGREE WITH THE MATERIAL STIPULATION, THE SIDING, THE, THE WINDOWS. UM, WE ASKED TO KEEP THE PARKING SPOT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ON STREETE PARKING. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO RECONSIDER THAT ONE. AND ALSO, UM, THE SETBACKS. UH, YES. SO OUR NEIGHBOR FOUR 13, HE DOESN'T HAVE SETBACKS WHATSOEVER ON BROWN STREET OR BROWN, UH, OR THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE BIGGER SETBACKS THAN HIM. WE HAVE BIGGER SETBACKS THAN I D C REQUIRE, SO HOPEFULLY YOU RECONSIDER THAT ONE AS WELL. WE AGREE WITH THE FOUNDATION STIPULATION ALSO. SO I WOULD SAY SIX, SEVEN. UM, THE ROOFS WERE MODIFIED TO DECREASE THE HEIGHT ALREADY SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. UM, WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THE BUILDING HEIGHT HOLD ON STEP. CAN YOU NOT LIGHT UP? UH, NUMBER SEVEN, YOU'RE SAYING YOU COMPLY WITH NUMBER SEVEN BASED ON THE NEW, BUT THERE, I THINK THERE STILL ARE SOME, SOME WALLS THAT DON'T HAVE FENESTRATION, ESPECIALLY ON THE FOUR 15 NORTH. MISS, WE, WE CAN INCLUDE MORE WINDOWS. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE I WANNA SEE THAT AS LIKE A FINAL UNTIL WE, IT'S GONE THROUGH US. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING DISCRETION TO STAFF. UM, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. UH, WELL, I, I THINK THERE'S A, A, A QUICK, UH, CLARIFICATION THAT STAFF NEEDS ON THAT. UM, BUT, UM, IF, IF I THINK LUISA ALSO, UM, ITEMS 12 AND 13 THAT YOU SCREEN MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT FROM VIEW AND THAT A LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED ARE YES. UM, TWO THAT, UM, THAT CAN BE. ALRIGHT. SO I'LL HIGHLIGHT THOSE. UM, SO, UM, THE ACTUAL WINDOW MATERIALS, I BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE SAID YOU'RE USING WINDOWS LIKE YOU NORMALLY DO. YES. WHICH THOSE MEET. UM, SO I WILL HIGHLIGHT 10 AS BEING MET. UM, SO THAT LEAVES TWO REGARDING PORCH DESIGN, THREE REGARDING THE HEIGHTS, FOUR REGARDING MASSING, UM, AND THE, BASICALLY THE WIDTH OF THE STRUCTURE ON NORTH MESQUITE FIVE ROOF FORMS, SIX WINDOWS, UM, SEVEN FOOTPRINTS, AND THEN EIGHT, THE INTERNAL PARKING, UM, COMMISSIONERS. IS THERE ONE THAT YOU WANNA START WITH? WELL, SINCE WE'RE IN QUESTION MODE, BUT I'LL DO A MOTION, LET'S SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR DO WE GO TO A MOTION AND TRY TO MOVE FORWARD? YEAH. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO I THINK MY MOTION WILL BE TO MOVE THIS AS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, UH, KEEPING ALL THE STIPULATIONS, AND THEN IF STAFF CAN JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IN THE RECORD, YOU KNOW, ALL THE YELLOW ONES. WE AGREE THAT, UH, I THINK THOSE I AGREE WITH, UM, BEING MET, BUT THE OTHER STIPULATIONS, I DON'T YEAH, JUST NOT STIPULATION FIRST. SECOND. LET'S TURN TO SECOND. OKAY. SO, UM, AND THE REASON WHY IS IT'S CONCEPTUAL IS LIKE, I FEEL LIKE SOME [01:10:01] OF THESE STIPULATIONS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE FINAL, UH, WHETHER IT'S A D R C, I THINK YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF. SO I THINK YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING, BUT SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE MASSING OF, SO THE FRONT OF MESQUITE, I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT. WE JUST NEED TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, DO SOME ADJUSTMENTS ON THAT FRONT TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORIC, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT STAFF HAD MENTIONED ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO, THE SECOND STORY ENCROACHING OVER THE FIRST STORY, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THEN I DIDN'T WANNA INCLUDE THE FENESTRATION JUST BECAUSE I DO WANNA SEE A FINAL PLAN WITH ALL THE FENESTRATIONS, UM, WHICH WALLS, YOU KNOW, WERE YOU ADDING? AND, AND I THINK, UM, ON THE, UM, ON THE INTERNAL PARKING, I'M, I'M, I'M WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAIN THE DISCUSSION. BUT I THINK, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BROWN ALLEY BASED ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE, IT CAN BE WORKED WITH, UM, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE GARAGES. AND THEN, UM, I KNOW YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL, LIKE SHOWED US, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN LIKE A RENDERING OF THE FRONT, PROBABLY JUST WANNA SEE RENDERING FROM THE BACK. OKAY. HOW THAT LOOKS. AND THEN ON THE MASSING, I, I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON SOME OF THOSE THREE STORIES, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW REDUCE IT TO A, YOU KNOW, TWO STORY OR VISIBILITY, HOW TO MAKE THAT, I THINK IT IS A LOT , UH, IT'S VERY HEAVY, RIGHT? MM-HMM. AND THEN THOSE ROOF FORMS. I AGREE WITH STAFF BECAUSE YOU HAVE LIKE, I MEAN, THE REASON WHY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A FLAT ROOF ON IS 'CAUSE YOU HAVE LIKE THESE PATIOS, RIGHT? LIKE YES, EXTERIOR PATIOS. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DESIGN WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF REMOVING THOSE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COMMONLY, SO IT CREATES LIKE A VISUAL OF LIKE IF THERE WAS A FLAT ROOF OR VERY SLOPE ROOF. UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU SEE FROM STREET LEVEL. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UM, I WOULD JUST EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE, UH, CONTEXT AREA AND THE INFILL WORKSHEET. UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, UH, CONFIRMS OR, UM, COUNTERS, YOU KNOW, UH, OUR DESIGN VERSUS THE OBSERVATIONS VERSUS WHAT'S BUILT ON THE GROUND. AND I THINK THERE IS A, UM, UM, I'M GONNA SAY IT'S A MIS YOU'RE MISDIRECTED, BUT, UM, THE INFILL WORKSHEET RIGHT NOW WORKS FOR THE ADDRESS ON MESQUITE. MM-HMM. , WELL, BROWN STREET IS A WHOLE RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING IS ADDRESSED. SO THAT BRINGS IN THE IMPORTANCE OF INCLUDING THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT YOU HAVEN'T INCLUDED AND ADDRESS THE, UM, THAT INFILL WORKSHEET PER THE INSTRUCTIONS. YOU HAVE WHAT IS CALLED AN IRREGULAR LOT, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS YOU NEED TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING AROUND ON THAT LOT TO REALLY GET AN IDEA OF HOW THAT BUILDING THOSE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA FIT ON THAT LOT. I DON'T THINK THERE IS A TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING. EVERYTHING IS ONE STORY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE HEIGHT BECOMES AN ISSUE. OKAY. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT INFILL WORKSHEET, THE INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRIT OF THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE GUIDELINES. REMEMBER WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, THE, THE, UM, PRECEDENT ARE THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, NOT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION MM-HMM. , BUT THE, THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. SO I, I APOLOGIZE IF I DID THE INFILL WORK, UH, SHEET WRONG. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME. 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S A NEW REQUIREMENT, SO I APOLOGIZE. IT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A GUINEA PIG ON THIS ONE FOR EVERYBODY. SO YEAH, IT'S, I'LL TRY TO DO CASE STUDY. YEAH, I'LL TRY TO FIX IT. SO, BUT YOU'LL FIND IT AND I THINK, UM, WE CAN FIND IT TO BE A REALLY USEFUL TOOL. SO YEP. UH, THAT'S THE ONE CONSIDERATION THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. OKAY. AND ALSO THOSE FOOTPRINTS, 'CAUSE THERE ARE THREE UNITS THAT ARE, THAT EXCEED THE 50% IN THE CASE WHERE YOU HAVE SO MANY SO CLOSE TOGETHER, IT BECOMES SO APPARENT. OKAY. OKAY. THANKS. THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. AND CHAIR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER STAFF, UH, ON THAT LITTLE PARCEL, THE ONE THAT'S NOT, NOT USED AND IT'S TOO SMALL TO USE, THERE'S A HOUSE OR A STRUCTURE RIGHT NEXT TO IT. IS THAT AN OCCUPIED STRUCTURE? DOES SOMEBODY LIVE THERE? IT, IT IS NOT. NO, NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OCCUPIED. MM-HMM. AND, AND THEN IS THAT A SEPARATE PARCEL? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. YES. SO THEN THERE, IF ANYONE DECIDED TO OCCUPY THAT STRUCTURE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO USE THAT SAME ALLEYWAY TO GET TO THEIR PARKING LOT, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONERS, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. UH, CHAIRMAN, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ITEM. YES, PLEASE. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE ES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INWOOD HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL, WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 4 7 FOR MESQUITE AND BROWN ALLEY AREA. WE AGREE WITH, OH, P'S RECOMMENDATION [01:15:01] WHEN DESIGNING THESE LOTS BIGGER IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER. THESE LOTS ARE SURROUNDED BY SMALL ONE STORY BUNGALOWS TO THE NORTH AND EAST, WHICH SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION JUST BECAUSE THIS ONE LOT WAS REPLANTED TO SIX TINY LOTS DOES NOT MEAN THAT A HOUSE HAS TO BE PUT ON EACH PLATT. FEWER AND SMALLER HOUSES THAT ALLOW FOR A DETACHED PARKING AREA AND SOME YARD SPACE IS A POSSIBILITY AND A PLUS. THE SAME QUESTIONS COME UP ANYTIME ANOTHER DEVELOPER PRESENTS THEIR DESIGNS FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS PROPERTY. ONE, WHERE ARE THE HOMEOWNERS AND GUESTS GOING TO PARK? TWO, WHERE ARE THE MECHANICALS GOING TO BE HIDDEN? THREE, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF YARD THAT THE OWNERS CAN ACTUALLY ENJOY? OR HOW ARE CITY SERVICE VEHICLES LIKE TRASH TRUCKS, FIRE TRUCKS GOING TO GET DOWN THESE NARROW ALLEYS? FIVE, WILL THERE BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE AUTOMATIC ARM FOR THE TRASH TRUCK TO PICK UP TRASH CANS? THANK YOU. RIGHT. SORRY FOR GETTING OUT OF ORDER. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE THE ENTIRE THIRD FLOOR, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU GOT, YOU COMMISSIONERS WOULD FEEL LIKE IT'S LESS MASSING? I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'D BE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. OKAY. UH, THIS, UH, RENDERING THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, UM, SHOWS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDINGS ONTO THESE, UH, FAIRLY SMALL LOTS. AND I THINK REDUCING THE HEIGHTS, REDUCING THOSE ROOF TERRACES, UH, SIMPLIFYING THE ROOF FORMS, UM, ELIMINATING THE THE THIRD FLOORS, I THINK WILL GO A LONG WAY IN, UH, BEING MORE APPROPRIATELY SCALED FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. WE'LL WORK ON THAT. MR. CHAIRMAN? YEAH, JUST WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MY AGREEMENT WITH THAT. AND, AND, AND ALSO WITH, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER GRU SAID EARLIER, THAT INTRODUCTION OF THE, OF THE FLAT TERRACES MM-HMM. IS REALLY BRINGING IN INTO THIS IN ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE. IT'S VERY ALIEN. IF YOU COULD EXPLORE THE IDEA OF EITHER ELIMINATING THIRD STORIES OR CREATING THIRD STORIES THAT ARE TUCKED UP WITHIN ATTIC AREAS. SO YOU CAN STILL GET USABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT REDUCE APPARENT VISUAL MASS, THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS ME SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. ONE MORE COMMENT, BUT I'LL LET EVERYBODY, UM, YES, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO MY QUESTION, UM, VARIES BACK AROUND TO WHAT COMMISSIONER GRU MENTIONED EARLIER AND, AND, UM, EDWARD HAS SPOKE ABOUT, UM, AND ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS AS WELL AS, UM, CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WOOD HILL. THIS IS A LOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, THESE PROPERTIES. AND THEN PARKING TO ME IS ALWAYS A CONCERN, ALWAYS CONCERN. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE CONCERNING PARKING? UM, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT WHAT WE, UM, MENTIONED ABOUT PARKING EARLIER WHEN WE WERE READING THE CASE INTO THE RECORD, BUT, UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, UM, YOU HAVE ALL THESE STRUCTURES HERE AND IS ONE, YOU HAVE ONE PARKING SPACE DESIGNATED, BUT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ONE PERSON LIVING IN EACH ONE OF THESE HOMES. SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT? WE CAN USE THE, THE ADJACENT, WELL, NOT ADJACENT THE, THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF US AS, UH, EXTRA PARKING. SO USING, SO OKAY, SO YOU SAY YOU'RE USING THAT, I MEAN, SO THAT'S, THAT STILL DOESN'T CREATE ENOUGH SPACE, I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, SAY THIS, IT'S GONNA CREATE OVERCROWDING, IN MY OPINION, UM, FOR THIS SPACE. SO JUST I WANT YOU TO CON TAKE THAT CONSIDERATION BECAUSE, UM, IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH AS CONCEPTUAL, THEN YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE I THINK SOME CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ENOUGH. OKAY. I WANTED TO BRING PARKING UP AGAIN, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER GIBBS IS A POINT, AND ACTUALLY YOUR DRAWINGS, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PARKING IS, EACH LOT HAS ONE SPACE, BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF COVERED PATIOS. WHERE DO, WHERE IS THAT PARKING SPECIFICALLY? THAT'S A PARKING SPACE. IT'S A CARDBOARD. SO THEY'RE CARPORTS OR THEY'RE COVERED PATIOS? UH, NO, IT'S A CARDBOARD BECAUSE THE PLANS SHOW COVERED PATIOS. WELL, THAT, THAT'S, UH, WHAT STAFF'S COMMENT. THE, THERE'S A, A SLOPE ON THE, THE SLAB THAT'S POURED IN EACH PATIO TO ALLOW FOR A CAR TO DRIVE UP. SO STAFF STAFF UNDERSTOOD THOSE AS COVERED PARKING AS WELL. [01:20:01] OKAY. 'CAUSE ON LOT 26, I MEAN, YOU HAVE BEAMS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE, OF COURSE. UM, BUT IT IS, IT IS A REAL CONCERN. AND THEN LAST QUESTION, I THINK STAFF WAS SAYING THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF THE LOTS HAD ALREADY BEEN DIVIDED. SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF, YOU KNOW, DOING DUPLEXES UNLESS INSTEAD OF SIX BUILDING MAYBE DOING THREE? UH, NO, WE HAVE NOT. OKAY. AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE A CONSIDERATION TO CREATE LIKE THAT MORE SPACE AND MORE, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING SO CROWDED . YEAH. OUR, OUR SETBACKS IN BETWEEN EACH BUILDING IS THREE AND THREE BECAUSE I E C, SO WE WOULD ONLY GAIN, UH, A COUPLE FEET. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR PARKING. NO, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THIS WINE WISE, MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE IT LESS. UM, SO, AND THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS TOO, IS ALWAYS WHEN WE JUST DO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF HOMES LIKE THAT IN A ROW, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY PUTS IN AN A FENCE AND THEN IT ONLY HAS THREE FEET, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A LAWNMOWER THROUGH THAT. SO I'M LIKE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT CREATING THAT, YOU KNOW, DEAD SPACE BETWEEN THE HOMES. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THIS WAS IN ENTITLED UNDER THE PRE 2018 I D Z RULES. UH, NOWADAYS THEY, THEY WANT YOU TO SHOW ALL THAT STUFF FOR A REASON. UH, BUT THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE OLDER ONES THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN, UH, DEVELOPED YET. SO, UH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY PARKING. UM, WHEN LOUISA CONTACTED ME, I TOLD HER, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT PARKING. YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING. I MEAN, I DON'T PERSONALLY AGREE WITH NO PARKING AT ALL. I MEAN, I, IT'S JUST UNREALISTIC. BUT I THINK THAT IF SHE TAKES THAT, THAT THIRD STORY DOWN, UH, EITHER MAKES IT A HALF STORY IN AN ATTIC SPACE OR GETS RID OF IT ALL TOGETHER, HOPEFULLY IT'LL REDUCE, UH, THE NEED FOR PARKING. BUT THIS IS A TOUGH AREA. I MEAN, OUR ONLY SOLUTION WOULD BE TO, UH, PUT, PUT SOME PAVEMENT ON THAT VACANT LOT ACROSS THE STREET AS PREVIOUSLY INTENDED AND, AND PUT SOME PARKING THERE. WE WERE JUST TRYING NOT TO, I THINK THAT SHE WOULD BE MARKETING, UH, TO PEOPLE WHO MAY ONLY HAVE ONE CAR AND MAY NOT NEED A LOT OF SPACE, BUT THAT WAS ALWAYS AN AVENUE FOR HER TO DO, TO MAKE IT MORE MARKETABLE. SO. WELL, I DEFINITELY THINK STEPH HAS THIS RIGHT ON, ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE AND AGREEING TO SEVERAL OF THEM. AND, UM, IF THIS GETS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEE HOW YOU DEVELOP THAT. UM, THERE'S NOT MUCH YARD HERE FOR HOMES, WHICH IS MAYBE WHY YOU WERE PUTTING THE ROOFTOP TERRACES. AND, UM, TO ME THERE JUST SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF BUILDING ON EACH LOT. UM, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF THE UNITS HAVE FOUR BEDROOMS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR MARKET IS, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, DROPPING SOME OF THOSE DOWN TO THREE BEDROOMS OR EVEN TWO BEDROOMS TO REDUCE THE, THE SIZE, THE FOOTPRINT OF SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS TO ALLOW MORE, UM, OUTDOOR SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS. UM, I KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO GET KIDS TO GO OUTSIDE THESE DAYS AND WHO WANTS TO GO OUT WHEN IT'S 104 DEGREES, BUT, UH, I THINK OUTDOOR SPACE AND SPACE BETWEEN STRUCTURES. I KNOW I D Z ALLOWS YOU THREE FEET ON A SIDE SETBACK, BUT HOW REALISTIC IS THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF THE HOMEOWNER BEING ABLE TO USE THAT SPACE? SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THIS PROJECT DEVELOPS. OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? YEAH, I WANNA REITERATE WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAS SAID ABOUT THE PARKING. YOU KNOW, A 2000 SQUARE FOOT, 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IS NOT A ONE CAR HOUSE. YOU KNOW, GENERALLY IF YOU'VE GOT THAT MUCH PROPERTY, YOU GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, MEDIUM SIZED FAMILY LIVING IN THERE. AND THAT'S TWO CARS, AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE WORKING, YOU KNOW, NINE TO FIVE AND ONE CAR PARKING SPOT'S NOT GONNA CUT IT. SO, SO, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. AND THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. MR. CHAIR BEFORE, BEFORE A VOTE, UM, COMES ABOUT, CAN WE, UM, RESTATE THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME? SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR IS REALLY JUST CONCEPTUAL WITH ALL STAFF. STAFF STIPULATIONS ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. SAVINA AYE. REGARD? AYE. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES, NO. AND FETZER NAYYY. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. SO, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO SEE HOW YOU DEVELOP THE PROJECT AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANOTHER D [01:25:01] R C, UH, OR AS MANY DRCS AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET, UH, FURTHER IN DEPTH, UH, REVIEW BY THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AGENDA ITEM 25, AGENDA ITEM 25 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 2 7 1 1 1 6 CAMARGO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REGARDING THE TREATMENT OF THE ORIGINAL REAR WING OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO DEMOLISH THE REMAINING REAR CALICHE STONE WALLS AND RECONSTRUCT THIS, THIS ORIGINAL WING USING WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CALICHE WALLS REMAIN AT THIS LOCATION THROUGH REHABILITATION OR RECONSTRUCTION. ADDITIONALLY, THE PREVIOUSLY, THE PREVIOUS STIPULATION SHALL ALSO BE MET. UM, THESE ARE IN REGARDS TO THE EXISTING REAR EDITION THAT WAS BUILT. UH, THERE'S A STIPULATION REGARDING BOARD AND BATTEN, UH, SIDING SPECIFICATIONS, STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SPECIFICATIONS, UH, AND THEN THE PROPOSED WOOD WINDOWS. THERE'S ALSO TWO CASE COMMENTS. UH, ONE OF 'EM REGARDING THE INSTALLATION OF A PLASTER COAT WITH AN APPROPRIATE LIME RATIO TO BE APPLIED OVER THE EXPOSED CALICHE STONE WALLS. UM, THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR SUBMITTING THOSE SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. UM, AND THEN A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SPECIFICATION, UH, WHICH IS A STANDARD, UH, CASE COMMENT. UH, COMMISSIONERS, I WILL NOTE, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A COUPLE OF LETTERS. UH, ONE FROM, UH, AN ENGINEER AND ONE FROM A CONTRACTOR, UM, THAT ARE SUPPLEMENTAL. UM, WE WILL PULL THOSE UP IN A MINUTE. UM, THAT'LL AID THE APPLICANT IN THEIR, UH, DISCUSSION, UM, AS WELL AS THERE ARE LETTERS, UH, OR A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET TO BE MINDFUL OF, UM, THE APPLICANT, MR. BECCA TRUJILLO IS HERE. UM, AND MR. TRUJILLO, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, WALK THROUGH YOUR REQUEST AT THIS TIME IN THE NEED SURE. FOR AN AMENDMENT. OKAY. HELLO, I'M REBECCA WITH MY, UM, HUSBAND, CARLOS AL. UH, WE ARE THE PROUD OWNERS, UM, AND WE ENVISION THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR FOREVER HOME. UH, WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, UH, THREE YEARS AGO, AND TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THE HOUSE HAD BEEN, UM, VACANT THREE YEARS PRIOR TO US, UH, PURCHASING THE HOME. AND IT HAS GONE THROUGH A SEVERE, UM, UH, WHAT WOULD YOU SIGNIFICANT, UH, DETERIORATION. DETERIORATION, UH, DUE TO THE ELEMENTS. AND ALSO, UM, THE PORTLAND CEMENT THAT WAS ON THE HOME THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE. UM, WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR, WELL, NOW THAT, UM, WE'VE TAKEN THE STUCCO OFF, WHAT'S BEEN REVEALED TO US IS THAT THE WALLS ARE, I MEAN, SEVERELY DETERIORATED. AND SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS TO REPLACE THE TWO WALLS, NOT THE WHOLE WING. I MEAN, JUST REPLACE THE TWO WALL REMAINING TWO WALLS, UH, WITH THE SAME MATERIAL THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, LIKE YOU JUST SAID, UM, WITH THE BOARD AND BATTEN. UM, SO AGAIN, THIS WILL HAVE NO VISUAL IMPACT FROM THE STREET. UM, AND MY HUSBAND ALSO WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH, UH, CURTIS HUNT, UH, SENIOR AND OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, MIKE PEARSON. GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM, UH, CARLOS FIDI, I AN OWNER AS WELL. AND, UH, WE DID MEET WITH, UH, UH, MIKE BESO OF PEARSON ENGINEERING AND, UH, CURTIS HUNT III OF TRADITIONAL MASONRY. AND, UM, THE OPINION WAS, UM, THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE WALLS AND, UM, SUPPORTING SKIRT, THE HARDER, UH, LIMESTONE SKIRT ARE IN BAD SHAPE AND THEY WILL REQUIRE, UH, UH, UH, DECONSTRUCTION. AND NO MATTER WHAT DIRECTION WE GO, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT WE ARE, UH, SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND HAVE HAD MULTIPLE DELAYS. WE'RE ASKING FOR HELP ON OUR CHALLENGES TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT. WE DON'T FEEL WE'RE REPLACING OR DEMOLISHING A WING WHERE, WHERE THE WING IS GOING UP. BUT IT IS THE TWO, UH, UH, 10 FOOT WALLS THAT ARE, UM, THEY'RE SHOWING, UM, CURTIS HUNT HAS STATED, UH, THAT THE, UH, PORTLAND CEMENT WAS EXCESSIVE. UH, HE DESCRIBED THAT, UH, WHEN YOU GET THAT, UH, CEMENT COATING OF THE STUCCO, THAT IT'LL RETAIN HUMIDITY AND CAUSE DETERIORATION OF THE WALL. AND HE SHOWED ME WHERE, UH, MANY OF THE BLOCKS ARE CRUMBLING. HE SAID HE, HE DOES, HE CAN'T SAY WITH CERTAINTY THAT, UH, HOW MUCH WOULD EVEN BE SALVAGEABLE IF WE TOOK IT DOWN. SO, [01:30:01] ONE, IT HAS TO BE TAKEN DOWN AND DECONSTRUCTED TO GO FORWARD, UH, THE FOOTING AND THE WALLS. AND TWO, THAT, UH, THEY'RE SO UNSTABLE THAT AND, UH, UH, DETERIORATED THAT THEY MAY NOT BE, UH, SALVAGEABLE. SO WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT WE GATHERED, WE ASK THAT YOU, UH, PLEASE CONSIDER THAT AND, AND, UH, ALLOWING US TO, UH, CREATE A, UM, UM, THE LONG BOARD AND BATTEN WALL THAT WE HAVE DESCRIBED AND PROVIDED, UH, SUPPORTING DI DOCUMENTATION FOR ANYTHING ELSE. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. UH, ANY VOICEMAILS OR, UH, NO, SIR, THERE ARE NO VOICEMAILS FROM THIS. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. OKAY. STAFF, CAN YOU PULL UP SLIDE 14? CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM WHICH WALLS HERE ON THIS 14 ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE REMOVED? YES. SO, UH, PREVIOUSLY THIS KELECHI STONE WALL WHERE MY CURSOR IS, WAS, UM, A WALL THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED TO BE REMOVED, UM, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO OR SO. UH, IT'S THIS REAR WING HERE. WHERE MY CURSOR IS, IS THOSE ARE THE WALLS THAT ARE NOW IN QUESTION THAT ARE DETERIORATING, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO DECONSTRUCT OR REMOVE. UM, AND THEN TO, LET ME ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT. UH, ESSENTIALLY THIS ENTIRE REAR WING HERE WOULD NOW BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, USING WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION, WHEREAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, THE AREA APPROXIMATELY WHERE MY CURSOR IS NOW WOULD'VE BEEN CALICHE STONE, UH, WITH THE WOOD ATTACHMENT AT THE REAR. OKAY. SO WOULD YOU PLEASE SHOW WHERE THE TWO WALLS IMPLODED? THEY'RE NO LONGER EVEN THERE, WE'RE ASKING TO GET THE ADJACENT ONES. YEAH. THO THOSE TWO THAT ARE, ARE MISSING THERE. UM, SO COMMISSIONERS, PREVIOUSLY, THIS WALL RIGHT HERE WAS ONE THAT WAS APPROVED AS WAS THIS ONE, THE MIDDLE ONE WAS THIS ONE. THERE WERE TWO WALLS APPROVED, RIGHT? TWO, YES. CORRECT. I SHOULD HAVE THE PREVIOUS CONSTRUCTION. YOU CAN POINT, THEY'RE THE BOTH DOORWAYS THAT ARE SHOWING THERE. SO THERE'S NO KECHI GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE HOUSE? NO, IT'S ONLY THE FRONT. AND THEN THAT LITTLE WING, WELL, THE, THE, I'M SORRY. THE MAIN BODY OF THE HOUSE THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS GETTING EXTENSIVE RENOVATION OF, BUT IT'S ALL KELECHI AND IT'S ALL KELECHI AND IT'S BEING ADDRESSED. THIS HAS, AS YOU COULD SEE, HAS DETERIORATED AND IMPLODED. WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE ADJACENT WALLS ARE, UH, VERY UNSTABLE AND HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY DE UH, DECONSTRUCTED NO MATTER WHAT DIRECTION. IT HAD A DIFFERENT ROOF STRUCTURE THAN THE OTHERS. MM-HMM. THAN THE MAIN HOUSE TOO. SO THE, THE STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE ASKING TO REMOVE HAD A, UH, DIFFERENT, UM, ROOF STRUCTURE THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE DETERIORATION OF THOSE TWO WALLS. IT LEAKED. SO THE PART THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IN THE BACK THERE THAT, WAS THAT CONSTRUCTED WITH THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, OR WAS IT BUILT WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT ORIGINALLY? DO WE KNOW THAT, IS THAT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE OR WAS THAT AN ADD-ON LATER? THE, THE, SO I'LL SHOW THE, UH, 1896 SANBORN MAP, UH, THE 1904 SANBORN MAP. UH, SO HERE ON THE 1904 SANBORN MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE AND IN THIS REAR WING HERE. UM, SO IT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT THE, AS FAR BACK AS WE CAN TELL ON SANDBORN MAPS, UM, THAT STRUCTURE WAS CALICHE STONE TO MATCH THE, UM, THE PRIMARY OR THE, I AS YOU SAY, TO MATCH THE SQUARE FRONT PART. THERE WAS A CALICHE STONE WING THAT CAME OFF OF THE REAR. YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE 1896 SANDBORN MAP, UM, IT NOTES AN ADOBE COATING. UM, SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN OVER THE ORIGINAL CALICHE WALL. MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE WHETHER YOU HAD, UM, CONSULTED WITH A, A MASON WITH EXPERTISE IN HISTORIC CALICHE, AND IT WAS HARDENED TO HEAR THAT YOU HAD TALKED TO, UH, MR. HUNT. YES. UM, CORRECT. I KNOW HIS COMPANY HAS, UM, AND HIS FATHER'S COMPANY ALSO HAVE, UM, EXTENSIVE, UH, EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH, UM, NOT JUST, UM, LIMESTONE BUILDINGS, BUT ALSO CALICHE BUILDINGS. THEY ARE A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND A, UM, PASSIONATE WHAT THEY DO. THEY, THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE TO WORK WITH. YEAH. AND WE WILL BE PARTNERING WITH THEM ON, ON THE STRUCTURE THAT WE DO HAVE PLANS TO. UM, WITH THE REMAINING RIGHT, YOU SAID MR. HUNT WASN'T SURE HOW MUCH WOULD BE SALVAGEABLE, UH, OF THE CALICHE. DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE LIMESTONE FOOTING BLOCKS AS WELL? [01:35:01] UH, WHAT HE DESCRIBED WAS, AND POINTED OUT WHERE THEY WERE BOWED IN DETERIORATING, THE LIMESTONE IS MUCH HARDER, SO IT COULD POSSIBLY BE USED, BUT IT HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT AND RECONSTRUCTED. SO I HOPE I ANSWERED THAT. YES, YOU COULD, UH, POSSIBLY USE THE HARD, UH, BLOCKS OF LIMESTONE. OKAY, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, SO, UM, JUST AS A LITTLE DISCLOSURE, I'M, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY. I, I ATTEMPTED TO, UH, ASSIST AN EL ELDERLY OWNER WHO, UM, A PREVIOUS OWNER YEAH. AND, UM, HELPED HIM TO OBTAIN A, UH, SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY GRANT TO TRY TO STABILIZE THESE WALLS. SO, UH, YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM CONVINCING ME OF THEIR, OF THEIR FRAGILITY AND, AND THEIR, THEIR, UH, RAVE DETERIORATION IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. UM, I DON'T HAVE THE DRAWINGS HERE TO TELL ME KIND OF HOW YOU'RE TREATING SORT OF THE, THE FOUNDATION OF THE STRUCTURE. ARE YOU GONNA, AS, AS THE CHAIRMAN WAS SAYING, YOU'RE GONNA RETAIN THE STONES, THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CRAWL SPACE UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING AS WELL. UM, HOW ARE YOU ADDRESSING THAT? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN WITH A SLAB, YOU'RE GONNA, ARE YOU GOING TO DO A RAISED P UH, UH, P PIER AND BEAM FLOOR STRUCTURE IN THIS AREA? ARE YOU QUESTIONING, UH, THE WING, THE, OR THE ADDITION THAT THE YEAH. THAT YOU'RE RECONSTRUCTING, BUT DOING IN THE BOARD AND BATTEN, UM, THE, BOTH THE ENGINEER AND CURTIS, UM, DESCRIBED PUTTING BACK LIKE MATERIALS, UH, THAT WE WOULD NEED A BEAM. HE SAID, UH, UH, THE ENGINEER SAID WE COULD, UM, FORTIFY THE, UH, LIMESTONE WITH, UM, UM, SOME AUGMENTED WITH SOME CONCRETE AND, UM, REBAR TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT AND STRONG ACROSS IT ALL. UH, BUT HE SAID THAT THERE'S ALSO THE FOOTING THERE THAT, UH, WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, RE RE UM, CONSTRUCTED IN A LIKE WAY. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, THE, I BELIEVE YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE SELLER, UM, THAT WAS FURTHER BACK IN THE WING, CORRECT? YEAH, THE, THE SELLER LOCATION WAS ACTUALLY UNDER, UM, THE PORTION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR THE, THE WOOD FRAMED ADDITION. SO, UH, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT WOULDN'T BE IMPACTED, UM, AT LEAST NOT DIRECTLY BY THIS REQUEST HERE. UM, THERE WAS ALREADY, UM, THE WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION WAS GONNA BE BUILT OVER THAT AND THEY WERE GONNA HAVE SOME SYSTEM TO WHERE THEY COULD, UH, UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR STORAGE. I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT, YES. I, I SUPPOSE THE, THE DIFFICULTY I'M HAVING IS, UM, THAT THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION IS SO DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT IN MATERIAL AND IN CHARACTER FROM WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY. I CONCUR THAT THOSE WALLS THAT YOU'RE RE YOU'RE REQUESTING BE REMOVED ARE PROBABLY TOO FRAGILE TO, TO SAVE. THEY WERE FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THEM. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT THIS IS SUCH A HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT HOUSE, AND AS STAFF HAS INDICATED, IT WAS ALWAYS AN ADOBE STRUCTURE OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CALL ADOBE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE SOUTHWESTERN ADOBE, BUT IT WAS A KCHE HOUSE. AND, UM, THIS SEEMS TO BE, TO ME, A BETTER CANDIDATE FOR A RECONSTRUCTION OF WHAT WAS THERE WITH A DISTINCTION OF, UH, OLD AND NEW RATHER THAN COME IN WITH A WOOD FRAME AND KIND OF MAKE IT A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF, UH, UH, STORY THERE. BUT, UH, I'M CURIOUS IF ANY OF MY OTHER, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE THAT SAME RESERVATION, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THIS ONE. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I JUST, I I ACTUALLY WANTED TO SEE IF I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, KIND OF REBUILDING IT, USING THE SAME MATERIAL. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T REUSE THAT STUFF THAT'S THERE, BUT MAKING IT LOOK LIKE EXACTLY, LIKE USING THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIAL, NEW, NEWER, UH, NEWER PRODUCT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? RIGHT. OR EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING IN WITH, UH, A MODERN BLOCK PRODUCT, BUT MAKING IT MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE CORE OF THE HOUSE AND, UH, RECALL MORE, UH, ACCURATELY WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY, RATHER THAN HAVE THIS GREAT DEPARTURE TO THEN A FRAME STRUCTURE SEEMS TO, CAN WE KEEP THIS FOR DISCUSSION? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I'M SORRY, CAN WE, YEAH. CAN WE KEEP THIS FOR DISCUSSION SPECIFIC? ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. SURE, GO AHEAD. UM, THERE WAS A WINDOW IN THAT KALIHI WAS, AND NOW YOU'RE PUTTING BOARD AND BAT, AND YOU'RE NOT INTRODUCING ANY FENESTRATION ON THAT WALL. WE, WE WERE JUST GOING TO EXTEND, OH, I'M SORRY. OUR INTENT WAS TO EXTEND, UM, THE WALL, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT A WINDOW, [01:40:01] WE JUST WANTED IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED. BUT WHEN YOU WERE KEEPING THE WALL, THERE WAS A WINDOW WE WERE KEEPING THAT WINDOW, RIGHT? OH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO NOW WE COULD, YOU WOULD BE YES. OPEN TO INTRODUCING ANOTHER WINDOW. YES, I GOT THAT. OKAY. OKAY. IF NO MORE QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? ANYBODY? I CAN TRY MOTION, BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP A DISCUSSION THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS STARTING, UM, . SO BASICALLY IT'LL BE A DENIAL, RIGHT? AND THEN JUST SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT TO DO. UH, WELL, IF, IF THE RECOMMENDATION WAS GONNA BE, OR EXCUSE ME, IF THE MOTION WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SAID, YOU COULD CRAFT A MOTION TO SAY APPROVAL TO DECONSTRUCT THE REAR WING AND TO RECONSTRUCT THE REAR, REAR WING, SORRY, WITH LIKE MATERIALS, UM, OR SIMILAR MASONRY MATERIALS TO COMPLIMENT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, MATERIALS, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. UM, IF YOU WERE, I'M GOING, I'M GONNA THE MOTION AND THEN I'LL EXPECT AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT THE WHOLE COMMISSION FEELS THE SAME WAY. UH, DO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF THEIA WALL. UM, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS, I MEAN, SOME OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS STILL APPLY. SO LET ME FIND OUT WHICH STIPULATIONS THE, UM, COMMISSIONER GRAY, I CAN HELP YOU OUT THREE STIPULATIONS THAT WE, THERE'S THREE STIPULATIONS, AND THEN THE STANDING MEAL, UH, STANDING CEMENT A ROOF, UH, INSPECTION. UM, AND, AND I WOULD ADD A FINISH, UH, ADD A STIPULATION TO ADD FENESTRATION TO THAT, WHERE THE ORIGINAL, UM, ABSOLUTE WINDOW OPENING WAS GONNA BE AT THE WALL. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. DISCUSSION. I'M OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE, LIKE, MY MATERIALS. I'M JUST WORRIED THAT, UM, AND I'M OPEN TO RECEIVING AN AMENDMENT ON THAT, THAT WE DON'T MAKE IT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS THE ORIGINALLY, AND IT'S NOT ORIGINAL. SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. YEAH, AND I APOLOGIZE TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I, I WENT OFF ON A, ON A TANGENT THERE, BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE VERY CAREFULLY AS A RECONSTRUCTION. YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT, UH, DESIGNATES WHERE OLD AND NEW STARTS AND STOPS. UM, SO IT WOULD BE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT. I THINK DOING THE STANDING SEAM, MY, I MEAN, NOT STANDING SEAM, SORRY, THE BOARD AND BATTEN WOULD BE A CLEAR DEMARCATION, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT, IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE HISTORY OF THIS, THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS STRUCTURE, IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S ON ANOTHER LEVEL THAT REQUIRES, UM, A HIGHER DEGREE OF, OF SENSITIVITY OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT ADDITION RATHER THAN HAVING A STARK DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY. EDWARD, UM, IN THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLANS, THIS ELEVATION ON THE TOP, THERE WAS A SECTION WHERE THE CALICHE WALLS WERE GOING TO REMAIN CORRECT. AND, UH, SO CONCEIVABLY THAT WOULD HAVE A STUCCO FINISH AND THEN THE BOARD AND BATTEN ADDITION WOULD BE BEYOND THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT, CORRECT. AND THAT'S APPROXIMATELY WHERE MY CURSOR IS RIGHT HERE OF WHERE THAT, UH, WALL WOULD'VE STOPPED. OKAY. APPROXIMATELY. SO ONE SUGGESTION MIGHT BE THAT FOR THE PORTION OF THE FOOTPRINT THAT WAS THE CALICHE BLOCK CONSTRUCTION, UM, THE CALICHE BLOCK COULD BE REMOVED AND THE LIMESTONE BLOCKS, UH, FOUNDATIONS REMOVED AND NEW CONSTRUCTION GO UP. BUT FOR THE PORTION THAT MATCHED THAT FOOTPRINT OF THE CALICHE L THE NEW CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, BUT MAYBE WITH A STUCCO FINISH ON THE OUTSIDE, THAT REFERENCES, UH, THE HISTORIC NATURE THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAD MENTIONED. AND SO THEN THE BOARD AND BATTEN, WHICH IS A MUCH NEWER, UM, CONSTRUCTION TYPE, COULD GO BEYOND THAT, BUT BASICALLY REPLICATE THE CALICHE BLOCK PORTION OF THE HOUSE OUT OF NEW MATERIALS. BUT WITH A STUCCO FINISH, THAT'S ONE OPTION TO CONSIDER. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? YES. UM, I HAVE [01:45:01] SOME I OBSERVATIONS ON, ON THE HOUSE, HAVING SEEN IT AND, UM, OWNING A COLLEGIATE BLOCK HOUSE FROM, UH, A SIMILAR PERIOD. I, UM, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE ON ALL OF THESE, UM, HOUSES IN, IN THE CITY, UM, OR MANY OF THEM, UH, ENOUGH THAT THE SANBORN SAYS ADOBE. THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION UNDERNEATH THE STUCCO THAT THE HOUSE WAS ADOBE. 'CAUSE THERE WAS A TIME BEFORE ALL OF US WHEN ADOBE WAS THE PREDOMINANT MATERIAL FOR HOUSES AND CALICHE ALSO AND OTHER ROCKS WERE, BUT THEY HAD A PLASTER, A LIME PLASTER OVER 'EM. SO THERE'S THAT ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS ADOBE, IT WASN'T, IT WAS COLLEGIATE. MY HOUSE WAS LABELED SIMILARLY. SO, UM, THEY WERE THE PREDOMINANT TYPE OF HOUSE CONSTRUCTION IN ADDITION TO WOOD AND WA AND DOG WITH MUD IN FILL WALLS. NOW THEY ARE SO RARE, ADOBE, WE CAN COUNT ON OUR HANDS, UM, FINGERS. AND, UM, CALICHE ARE QUICKLY BECOMING THAT RARE. AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE ENCROACHMENT OF A LITTLE DAMAGE HERE AND THERE THROUGH NEGLECT AND, AND WEATHERS AND LACK OF MAINTENANCE BEGINS TO COMPROMISE. ITS VERY RARE NOW A VERY RARE BUILDING TYPE, WHICH USED TO BE PREDOMINANT. SO I, MY HEART IS WITH THAT HISTORIC BUILDING, UM, IT TAKES A SPECIAL COMMITMENT TO, TO ADDRESS THE MAINTENANCE CONCERNS. AND RECONSTRUCTION OR REPAIR WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. UM, THE DETAILS OF IT. UM, I, YOU KNOW, IF THE FOUNDATION, IF THE LIMESTONE WALLS, UH, FOOTINGS ARE PER PERIMETER FOOTING WALLS ARE FINE, UM, JUST SHORE THOSE UP, UNDERPIN THEM, RECONSTRUCT MY HOUSE HAD A HUGE 23 FOOT WALL REBUILT. AND BASICALLY YOU TAKE THE BLOCKS AWAY, YOU GROOM THEM, YOU SHAPE 'EM, AND YOU REBUILD THAT WALL. AGAIN, IT'S REALLY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UM, BUT IT DOES TAKE A SPECIAL, A SPECIAL TALENT SKILL AND COMMITMENT. I NOTICED THAT MR. HUNT ALSO, HE, HE RECOMMENDED THAT YOU DISMANTLE THE WALL AND SALVAGE THE BLOCK. BUT I LOOKED FOR OTHER THINGS. LIKE HE NEVER SAID YOU COULDN'T REBUILD IT. HE NEVER SAID YOU COULD RECONSTRUCT IT WITH THE SAME MATERIAL. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, MY, I, I AM NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE, I HAVE SEEN LOTS OF SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLES AND, UM, HAVE ALSO LIVED AND PAID FOR IT MYSELF AS WELL. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? WELL, I'M REALLY HOPING FOR AN AMENDMENT. 'CAUSE I DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT, I THINK THERE IS AN OPTION, BUT I DON'T WANNA, UM, I THINK AGAIN, IS IN A POSITION THAT THEY CAN'T PROMISE ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNTIL THIS IS, I MEAN, I MEAN, I'LL BE OPEN. PRIMARILY WE'RE GONNA DECONSTRUCT, SO BASICALLY WE ARE APPROVING THE DISMANTLING OF THE WALL. I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT. AND THEN WHETHER THE MATERIAL THAT'S BEING REBUILT, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS DEFINED AFTER, YOU CAN FIND OUT HOW MUCH IS SALVAGED AND HOW MUCH CAN BE USED ALSO FOR THE OF THE FOOTINGS. I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT POSSIBLE? CAN UM, WELL I JUST FROM A, THE STANDPOINT OF ISSUING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, IT WOULD BE STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO MORE READILY ENFORCE THE COMMISSION'S DECISION IF THERE WAS DIRECTION ON, UM, WHAT THE RECONSTRUCTION WAS GONNA BE. UM, THAT WOULD ALSO PREVENT THE APPLICANT FROM NEEDING TO, UH, THEN COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR THAT DETERMINATION AND DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE. UM, BUT ANY, ANY, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL THROUGH A MOTION, UM, IF THERE WAS DIRECTION ON, UM, TO THE APPLICANT ON WHAT A RECONSTRUCTION MATERIAL WOULD BE, UM, THAT WAY THEY COULD AT LEAST CONSIDER THAT AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY WERE ABLE TO DO, IF POSSIBLE. IN TERMS OF RECONSTRUCTION MATERIAL, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY A GOOD AMOUNT OF THAT COLLEGIATE THAT'S STILL GOOD. UM, AND SOURCING IT IN THE CITY, IT'S CHALLENGING, BUT IT CAN BE DONE. AND I ALSO KNOW THAT SOME FOLKS ARE, UM, FABRICATING, UH, COLLEGIATE PRESSED, UH, CALICHE BLANC, AND THAT COULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE IN KIND MATERIAL FOR RECONSTRUCTION AS WELL FOR THOSE AREAS THAT YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO USE, UH, THE ORIGINAL BLOCKS. YEAH. THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE, UH, DOING THE, UH, CEMENT STABILIZED RAMMED EARTH STRUCTURE AS WELL, WHICH WOULD WOULD'VE [01:50:01] ACCOMPLISH PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WOULD BE IN THE, IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THIS YEAH. BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY ABOUT. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO MY QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU WANT THAT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? ON BOTH SIDES? ON BOTH SIDES OF THE, YEAH, WELL, THERE'S TWO WALLS BEING, BUT WE WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON THE WALL LONG. THERE'S TWO BOARD BATTEN ADDITIONS. RIGHT. SO I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH MATERIALS TO DO BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE, SO MAYBE WE CAN SAY LIKE, OKAY, FOCUSING ON THE WEST ELEVATION. WELL, I THINK PART, UH, LET'S SEE, PART OF YOUR WEST ELEVATION SHOWS THE EXISTING WING, THE ROOM AND THE EXISTING WING AN ADDITION OVER THE, THE BASEMENT AND THEN SOMETHING BEYOND THAT. CORRECT. THAT'S A SCREENED IN PATIO AND A SCREENED IN PATIO. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THE STU FOR THE UM, UH, CALICHE BLOCK, IT WOULD ONLY HAVE TO GO ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY OR HALF OF THE WAY OF THAT BOARD AND BAT ELEVATION YEAH. ON THIS SIDE. AND THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU WOULD WANT THAT TOO? I WOULD, THAT'S A LOT OF, YEAH. WELL, I THINK YOU'D WANNA DEFINE, UM, YEAH, UH, THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT, THOSE ARE THOSE WINDOWS ON THAT BOARD AND BAND ALIGNED WITH WHERE THE KEAN WINDOWS OPENINGS ARE ON THE KISH WALL? IT LOOKS THAT WAY. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? ON THE EAST ELEVATION, ARE THOSE WINDOWS ALIGNED WITH WHERE THE OPENING IS NOW ON THE KAL? YES, THAT WAS, YES. THOSE ARE THE TWO. HE WAS CIRCLING WITH THE, WITH THE CURSOR. THOSE TWO ARE THE YEAH, EAST WALL. YEAH. SO THAT'S PART OF, LIKE, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DOOR WOULD PROBABLY BE WHAT'S KISHA RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. YES, BECAUSE THE BACK WALL IS, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN HIM AN AMENDMENT. YEAH. THE SOUTH WALL, THE SOUTH WALL IS GOING TO BE REMOVED IN THE PLAN ANYWAY, SO THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL, UH, SUPPLY OF STONE THERE. UM, SO, UH, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR, UH, MOTION? MY MOTION WAS TO APPROVE A STIPULATION ONE, TWO, AND THREE AND ADD A STIPULATION THAT, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, ADD A WINDOW WHERE THE ORIGINAL, WHERE THERE WAS A WINDOW RIGHT NOW IN THE, ON THE WEST ELEVATION. UH, I, I, I GUESS, UM, MAYBE SOME OF THE CONFUSION WAS THE STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE WOULD ADDRESS THE, THOSE WERE THE PREVIOUS STIPULATIONS OF APPROVAL. THERE WOULD STILL NEED TO BE SOMETHING IN THE MOTION TO SAY DECONSTRUCTION OF THE ORIGINAL CALICHE WALLS. YEAH, CORRECT. I WAS JUST STATING THE MOTION THAT I HAD. SO NOW SHE CAN GO AHEAD AND AMEND IT. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT MOTION AND SEE HOW IT GOES AND THEN PUT A, UH, PUT UP ANOTHER ONE? NO, I, I'LL SOMEBODY ELSE. WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT IS THERE'S NOTHING IN THE MOTION THAT SAYS WHAT THE RECONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE. UM, OKAY. IT DOESN'T IT ASSUME THAT IT'S GONNA BE BOARD AND BATTEN THOUGH, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE MOTION AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALMOST ACCEPTING WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, JUST ADDING A WINDOW. I DID THAT MOTION TO GET INTO DISCUSSION. I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD THAT, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO DO REBUILT, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO FORMULATE AN MOTION. SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT. AND, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, I DO HAVE SOME HESITANCY ABOUT JUST HAVING IT BE BOARD AND BATTEN BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT, UH, TAKES AWAY FROM SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE STORY OF THE, UH, OF THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE. SO, UM, I WOULD PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT THAT, UM, IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT WAS HISTORICALLY, UH, KCHE ADOBE, UH, STRUCTURE THAT, THAT BE RECONSTRUCTED USING A MASONRY MATERIAL THAT DISTINGUISHES ITSELF FROM THE AUTHENTIC HISTORIC COLLEGIATE ADOBE STRUCTURE, BUT IS, UH, A MASONRY TYPE MATERIAL THAT'S STUC OED THAT'S MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO STILL HAVE THE SCREEN PORCH AND THOSE ELEMENTS THAT WOULD BE DISTINGUISHED AS CONTEMPORARY ELEMENTS ADDED TO THE STRUCTURE. SECOND ENOUGH, EDWARD? UM, YES. UM, I, I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER CLARIFICATION IS WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT THE ACTUAL MASONRY MATERIAL IS, IF THE APPLICANT CAME BACK AND SAID, I WANT TO CONSTRUCT THE WALL WITH CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS AND THEN STUCCO, UM, IF THE COMMISSION WOULD FIND THAT TO BE AN APPROPRIATE APPROACH, UM, JUST FOR CLARITY FOR STAFF, WHEN WE LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND ISSUE AN APPROVAL. I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE AT, BUT I'M, I'M KIND OF AGNOSTIC ON THAT. JUST LIKE WHEN WE HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, [01:55:01] YOU KNOW, THEY DO FOUNDATION STABILIZATION, WE'RE FINE WITH THEM USING, YOU KNOW, REINFORCED CONCRETE FOOTINGS RATHER THAN HAVING THEM GO BACK WITH CEDAR POSTS AS LONG AS VISUALLY IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND THAT AMENDMENT. SO NOW WE HAVE A MOTION AND AN AMENDED MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION ON THAT. I'LL SUPPORT THAT AMENDMENT. I THINK THAT KIND OF LEAVES IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE OPTIONS TO SALVAGE AND REUSE. SO COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD INCLUDE IN KIND AS AN OPTION AS WELL, MASONRY OR IN KIND, BECAUSE IF YOU GO SO FAR THROUGH THE DECONSTRUCTION AND FIND THAT YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT MATERIAL, I DO WANNA SAY THAT, AND WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME PICTURES THAT YOU CAN SHOW ED. UM, CURRENTLY THERE IS CINDER BLOCK UNDER SOME OF THAT PORTION OF THOSE TWO WALLS. THE INFILL YEAH. WHERE THEY INFILL FROM A DOOR TO A WINDOW AND, AND THERE'S SOME, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE PICTURE WHERE THERE WAS DETERIORATION AND THEY FILLED IT IN WITH CONCRETE. NO FURTHER COMMENTS. DO YOU WANNA INCLUDE? YEAH, I, I, I CAN, UH, TO, TO CLARIFY MY COMMENT ABOUT ACCEPTABLE MASONRY MATERIAL, THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE INCLUSIVE OF AN INKIND SURE. UH, REPLACEMENT OR SALVAGE REPLACEMENT, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. SECOND STANCE. OKAY. SO, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE CAN USE WHAT'S, UM, THE KELECHI THAT WE CAN SALVAGE AND OR THE CINDER BLOCKS AS YOU STATED, OKAY. MM-HMM. , CORRECT. YEAH. AND, AND JUST TO REITERATE, NORMALLY I WOULDN'T GO BE ONE ADVOCATING FOR RECONSTRUCTIONS, BUT THE, AS AS, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO SAID THAT THESE ARE REALLY BECOMING A VERY RARE THING. AND I'M GLAD YOU ALL ARE SAYING THAT THIS YOUR FOREVER HOUSE AIDAS IS AN AMAZING HOUSE AND IT HAS AN AMAZING STORY TO BE TOLD, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT STORY IS, IS RETAINED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE AGREE. WE, WE TOTALLY AGREE. WE'VE TOTALLY ACCLIMATED AND INTEGRATED OURSELVES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE STAY THE NIGHT IN THE MAIN HOUSE IN TENTS. UH, WE WERE THERE. PEOPLE JOIN US ON THE PORCH. SO I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT JUST ANYTHING TO US. IT IS A PASSION PROJECT, BUT WE GOTTA KIND OF BE REALISTIC WITH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST FOR THE RECORD, MY MOTION IS WITHDRAWN AND NOW THE MOTION WITH THE, THE AMENDED. WE'LL VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION. IF IT PASSES, IT SUPERSEDE YOUR MOTION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. BRI REGARD? AYE. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MEMBERS. AGENDA ITEM 26 3. UH, SORRY FOR THE DELAY. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 2 7 8 1 19 EAST MAGNOLIA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A RETAINING WALL AND A BRICK WALL AT EAST AT ONE 19 EAST MAGNOLIA. LOCATED WITHIN THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE BRICK WALL TO FEATURE HEIGHTS BETWEEN SIX FEET, NINE INCHES AND EIGHT FEET AND HEIGHT. THE WALL WILL FEATURE BRICK COLUMNS WITH STONE OR BRICK COLUMN CAPS. THE PROPOSED WALL WILL EXTEND PARALLEL TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO THE EAST AND WEST PROPERTY LINES THEN RUN PARALLEL TO THOSE PROPERTY LINES TO THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. SAP RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE AT THE PROPOSED BRICK WALL BE SET BEHIND THE FRONT. MOST WINDOWS ON BOTH THE EAST AND WEST FACADES IS NOTED IN FINDING D TWO THAT THE WALL HEIGHT NOT EXCEED SIX FEET OTHER THAN ITS SLOPED TERRAIN WHERE IT MAY FEATURE EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT. AND THREE, THAT CURRENT VIOLATIONS, BOTH VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM AND PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT VIOLATIONS BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIDE ELEMENTS INCLUDING THE PROPOSED WALL, THE DOUBLE HEIGHT PORCH, WINDOWS, SYNTHES FACADE RESTORATION SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED. UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, SHOULD BE WITH US VIRTUALLY. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE SHE'S HERE IN PERSON. UH, COMMISSIONERS. THERE'S ALSO, UM, LETTERS OR AN EMAIL IN YOUR PACKET. UH, [02:00:01] YES, I SEE HOPE HAMAN ON ON NOW. UH, AND WE ALSO HAVE FOUR VOICEMAILS THAT NEED TO BE PLAYED. UM, HOPE AT THIS TIME IF YOU WANT TO GIVE, UH, A BRIEF PRESENTATION OR AN OVERVIEW OF THE REQUEST FOR THE WALL. UM, AND THEN YOU CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE. HOPE YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. OH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS PAUL. UM, MY NAME IS HOPE HOUSEMAN. UH, I'M A DESIGNER HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AND ALSO AN ARTIST. I AM WORKING, REPRESENTING CHUCK RAMON, WHICH IS THE OWNER OF THIS BEAUTIFUL HOME. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I, I LIVED IN MONTE VISTA FOR 22 YEARS AND ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT. AND THE HOMES OVER THERE ARE JUST ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS AND, YOU KNOW, WE BOTH TOTALLY RESPECT THE HOMES OVER THERE. SO, UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AND WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THE HOME IS, UH, A ROD IRON FENCE THAT WAS APPROVED, I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, TO BE ON THE FRONT FACADE AND, UM, ATTACHED TO THE FRONT FACADE, UH, TO THE RIGHT SIDE AND TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOME. AND WHAT WE PROPOSE WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, UH, CHANGE THE MATERIAL TO BRICK AND HAVE BRICK COLUMNS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE AND KEEP IT IN THE SAME PLACE. UM, AND OF COURSE, THIS IS FOR PRIVACY AND HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THE SIX FOOT. UM, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD I SAY? THE HEIGHT THAT IS ALWAYS, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR THE FENCING. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AND ALSO CONTINUE IT TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, MAY WE HAVE THE VOICEMAILS PLEASE? UH, YES SIR. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ANNE VAN PELT. I LIVE AT 1 1 9 WEST SATCH. I AM ALSO SERVING ON THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. I STRONGLY OPPOSE TO THE WALL BEING BUILT AT 1 1 9 EAST MAGNOLIA. THAT PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. THE WALL DOES NOT TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY. IT JUST ADDS ANOTHER ELEMENT OF, UH, UNFORTUNATE, UM, DESIGN TO WHAT SHOULD BE A LOVELY HOME. SO PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO YOU GIVING PERMISSION FOR THIS PERSON TO BUILD A WALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AGAIN, MY NAME IS ANN VAN PELT. MY TELEPHONE NUMBER IS (210) 844-7001. THE PROPERTY I'M CALLING ABOUT IS 1 1 9 EAST MAGNOLIA. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JENNIFER FLORES AND I LIVE AT 1 32 EAST MAGNOLIA. I'M CALLING REGARDING THE PROPERTY AT ONE 19 EAST MAGNOLIA. ITEM NUMBER 26, AND THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A BRICK SITE WALL, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU DENY THE REQUEST. THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY HASN'T DEMONSTRATED THAT HE CARES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR HAS SHOWN ANY LEGITIMATE EFFORT TO REPAIR THE PROPERTY. ANY WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE HAS BEEN A PATCHWORK JOB. THE OWNER DOES NOT DESERVE THE APPROVAL WHEN HE HAS NOT DONE HIS PART TO REMOVE THE BLIGHT HE HAS CREATED. THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS FALLING APART AND IS AN EXTREME HAZARD. AGAIN, ANYTHING SHORT OF ASKING THE OWNER TO REPAIR THIS ONCE BEAUTIFUL HOME IS A DISSERVICE TO THIS BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THIS IS RICK WILSON, UM, FROM ONE 10 WEST ELSMERE PLACE IN MONTE VISTA. CALLING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE COMMISSION DENY THE REQUEST TO BUILD A BRICK WALL AND THAT NO FURTHER, UH, APPROVALS BE GIVEN UNTIL THE ORIGINAL SCOPE IMPROVEMENT WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED. THANK YOU. YES. THIS IS FOR, UH, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 AT 1 1 9 EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. MY NAME IS TONY GARCIA. I AM THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE, UH, ZONING AND CODE COMPLIANCE COMMITTEE FOR THE MONTH OF HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE H D R C DENY THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION FOR 1 1 9 EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING C OF A OF FEBRUARY, 2021 THAT HAS NEVER BEEN STARTED BY THE APPLICANT. THIS VACANT BUILDING HAS BEEN OUT OF COMPLIANCE FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS, AND THE APPLICANT CHOOSES NOT TO DO ANY WORK WHATSOEVER ON THE STRUCTURE. SO I RESPECTFULLY [02:05:01] REQUEST THE H G R C COMMISSION TO DENY THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS. THANK YOU. UM, MS. HAMAN, ANY COMMENTS ON THE VOICEMAILS THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, NO. I, I AGREE THAT, THAT HE HAS NOT DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THE HOME FOR MANY YEARS. UM, BUT I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH ALL FOUR OF THEM ABOUT, UH, DENYING A, A, A BRICK FENCE PRIVACY FENCE FOR THE HOME. UM, WHICH I THINK WOULD LOOK LOVELY. WE WERE USING THE SAME BRICK AND I THINK THE DETAILS WOULD, THAT I HAVE DRAWN WHEN ACTUALLY GO WITH THE, THE HOME STYLE. AND THERE ARE OTHER BRICK WALLS AND STUCCO WALLS THROUGHOUT MONTE VISTA AND SOME EVEN HIGHER THAN, THAN THIS WALL. BUT, UM, SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR, UH, A PRIVACY WALL AND ONE FROM THE FRONT THAT WILL HIDE THE, THE CONDENSER UNITS, THE AC UNITS. SO I JUST, UM, I'M SORRY THAT, THAT HE HAS, YOU KNOW, TAKEN SO LONG TO GET THIS PROJECT GOING, BUT HE IS WORKING ON IT AND HE IS GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS, THIS PROPERTY TO MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL. AND WE OF COURSE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP THE HISTORIC VALUE OF THE HOME. BUT HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE BECAUSE HE WILL BE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON A POOL AND A POOL HOUSE AND ALSO RE UH, REFURBISHING THE, THE GUEST HOUSE IN THE BACK AS WELL. SO HE IS GONNA SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND I THINK HE DESERVES TO HAVE A PRIVACY WALL THERE. AND I DON'T THINK THIS LOOKS ANY DIFFERENT FROM A LOT OF OTHER HOMES. UM, A COUPLE OF HOMES, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I, I THINK I SENT EDWARD PICTURES OF THIS WEEK. UM, SO YES, AND THAT, AND THESE ARE, THESE ARE PHOTOS THAT I SENT WITH DANCING THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE FRONT FACADE. AND I KNOW THE, YOU PREFER THEM TO BE SET BACK. I THINK THAT WAS, UH, ONE RECOMMENDATION. BUT THESE ARE SET ON THE FRONT OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND, AND FOR ONE, THE WR IRON FENCE WAS ALREADY APPROVED, UM, FOR THIS HOME. AND TO BE ATTACHED TO THE FRONT FACADE, WE JUST WANNA CHANGE OUT THE MATERIAL AND ADD SOME HEIGHT FOR PRIVACY. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, IN TERMS OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BRICK WALL BE SET BACK, UH, EDWARD, COULD YOU SHOW US WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE WALL BE SET? UH, YES. SO, UM, APPROXIMATELY IF, UH, LET ME ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE. UM, SO YOU COULD SEE HERE IN THE PLAN, UM, THIS IS THE ROUNDED DOUBLE HEIGHT FRONT PORCH. THERE'S A SIDE WINDOW HERE. UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE WALL BE AT LEAST SET BEHIND THE FRONT MOST SIDE WINDOWS. UH, THEY'RE APPROXIMATELY IN THIS LOCATION. UM, ANYTHING FURTHER THAN THAT WOULD BE GOOD, BUT, UM, OUR, UH, OUR TYPICAL RECOMMENDATION TO APPLICANTS THAT ARE REQUESTING PRIVACY FENCES IS TO SET THE PRIVACY FENCE TO THE IMMEDIATE REAR OF THE FRONT MOSTS WINDOW ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS. UM, I, UH, LET ME GO TO, UH, UH, WELL, THE, WELL HERE'S THAT SIDE WINDOW. SO ESSENTIALLY THE WALL WOULD START SOMEPLACE BEHIND THAT SIDE WINDOW, UH, AND THEN RUN, UH, TO THE, TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE. UM, AS MS. HOUSEMAN MENTIONED, I BELIEVE THE PLAN IS TO PLAY, UH, H V A D UNITS, UM, IN THIS, UH, LOCATION HERE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR, UH, THE WALL BEING LOCATED, UH, IN LINE WITH THE FRONT FACADE. UH, BUT, UM, AS THE GUIDELINES NOTE, UM, PRIVACY FENCES AND WALLS SHOULD BE SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE. AND SO STAFF IS, UH, FOLLOWING THE, THE GUIDELINES. OKAY, THANK YOU. I SAY THE, THE AC UH, DENSER UNITS WERE THERE, UM, PREVIOUSLY, SO HE WOULD JUST LIKE TO KEEP THEM IN THE SAME SPOT SO THEY RUN WELL INTO THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CHANGE THOSE OR LEAVE THEM IN THE FRONT, WHICH HE THINKS WOULD BE AN EYESORE. AND, AND I AGREE. UH, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HIDE THOSE, AND THAT'S THE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE PRIVACY WALL THERE, PRIVACY FENCE. I DON'T LIKE CALLING IT A WALL, BUT IT'S, I LIKE CALLING IT A FENCE, BUT THAT'S ONE REASON WE'D LIKE IT. AND IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED TO BEGIN WITH JUST THE DIFFERENT MATERIAL, BUT WE LIKED YOU, YOU TO [02:10:01] CONSIDER US JUST CHANGING THE MATERIAL AND KEEPING IT IN THE SPOT THAT IT IS, WAS APPROVED. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER GROOVE, UM, TWO QUESTIONS AND, AND I THINK I, UH, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S SOME STAIRS GOING DOWN, SO THERE'S A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT, RIGHT? AND THAT FIRST PART ON THE, I GUESS IT'S THE EAST OF, UH, ON THAT SIDE WHERE THEIR STEERS ARE, UH, I'M SORRY, I, I MISSED THE EAST SIDE. YES. YEAH, SO THERE'S LIKE SOME STAIRS GOING DOWN, SO THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT THERE THAT WOULD PROBABLY NOT MAKE IT CORRECT. AND I'LL, UH, COMMISSIONER, I'M SORRY, I'LL PULL UP THE SIDE ELEVATION. UH, SO THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN, UM, IN GRADE. UM, AND WHEN THAT DOES OCCUR, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES ALLOW FOR AN INCREASED HEIGHT, UH, SO THAT THERE'S A UNIFORM, UH, TOP HEIGHT. UM, I'VE PROVIDED A DIAGRAM THAT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, INCORPORATES. UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE TOP, UM, HOW THERE'S A UNIFORM AND CLEAN HEIGHT. IT ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, UH, VERSUS, UH, KIND OF A STAGGERED, UM, UNKEPT LOOK. UH, IN THE BOTTOM EXAMPLE. UM, SO THE, THE APPLICANT REQUESTING AN EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE U D C IN THIS INSTANCE. HOWEVER, UM, WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS IS WHERE THE, THE WALLACE PROPOSED TO BE SIX NINE IN HEIGHT, THAT IT NOT EXCEED SIX FEET, UH, TO CONFORM WITH THAT PART OF THE GUIDELINES. AND I GUESS I WAS GOING WITH THAT. SO, UM, ON THE OTHER TWO STIPULATIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE ADDRESSED THOSE, MS. HUSMAN, SO THAT ON THE HEIGHT AND THEN ON THE OTHER STIPULATION, NOTING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE APPROVE THIS WALL, YOU NEED TO TERMINATE ALL THE OTHER WORK BEFORE EVEN STARTING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS WALL. YES, MA'AM. YOU AGREE TO THAT. AND I, YES, I AGREE. WE, WE, WE WOULD AGREE ON THAT WE NEED TO DO ALL THE OTHER WORK, BUT HE'S TRYING TO GET THIS WALL, TRYING TO GET THE WALL PROVED SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING THE BRICK FOR, FOR THIS WALL. WE HAVE FOUND QUITE A BIT. UM, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO FIND MORE BRICK TO CONTINUE THIS WALL. HOW IS THIS? BUT WE NEED, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED THE WALL BUILT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE GOING IN AND OUT WITH TRUCKS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. SO WE, WE REALLY DON'T WANNA CONSTRUCT THAT FOR A WHILE. HOW IS THIS MONITORED BY, BY O H P? UH, SO, UM, I'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. UM, THE PROPERTY'S VACANT, UM, AND, UH, IT ALSO FALLS, UH, WITHIN VIOLATION OF PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. UM, I'VE PERSONALLY BEEN MEETING WITH, WITH HOPE AND THE OWNER, UM, QUITE A BIT FOR THE PAST TWO MONTHS OR SO. UM, WE'VE GIVEN THEM, UM, KIND OF A PRIORITY LIST AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON ACCOMPLISHING THOSE GOALS. UM, COMMISSIONERS' ACTUALLY, UH, BE MEETING WITH YOU AT, UH, D R C SITE VISIT TO DISCUSS WINDOWS, UM, WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. UM, SO THE, THE APPLICANT HAS BEGUN ADDRESSING, UH, THE DETERIORATION OF THE ROOF. UM, THEY'VE MET WITH, UH, A CONTRACTOR, A CRAFTSMAN TO, UH, RECONSTRUCT OR RE FABRICATE CAPITAL COLUMNS. UM, WORK HAS BEGUN. UM, IT'S JUST THE STIPULATION THAT WE'VE INCLUDED. UH, WE FEEL THAT THEY'RE MORE IMPORTANT, UH, SCOPES THAT TO ADDRESS THE DETERIORATION OF THE PROPERTY THAT SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED, UM, OVER THIS. UM, HOWEVER, UM, THE APP, THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THE OWNER HAVE BEEN MAKING PROGRESS TOWARD ADDRESSING VIOLATIONS, UM, AND ARE, UM, SERIOUS. UM, THEY'VE PROVIDED QUOTES AND WHATNOT FOR WORK THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THESE ITEMS WILL BE ADDRESSED OR THE VIOLATIONS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE COMING MONTHS. I HAVE A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, SO IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS WITH YOU ALL STIPULATIONS, INCLUDING STIPULATION NUMBER THREE, UM, DOES THAT EXTEND THAT 180 DAY ACTIVE PERIOD? UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M THE COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UM, IF THE COMMISSION APPROVED THIS, WE WOULD NOT CONSIDER THIS AS BEING A C O A ON FILE TO ADDRESS VIOLATIONS. UM, SO I GUESS IF, IF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, IF THIS WAS APPROVED AND THE APPLICANT SAID, OH, NO, I'VE GOT AN APPROVAL ON FILE, UH, IT THERE ARE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED WITH THE APPLICANT THAT NEED TO BE DONE, WE'RE HANDLING THIS DIFFERENTLY, CORRECT? YEAH. YEAH. UM, AND THEN ALSO IN, UM, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, WHEN YOU ARE WORKING WITH YOUR, YOUR CONTRACTORS, YOU'RE GETTING ESTIMATES, YOU'RE SCHEDULING MATERIALS, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO BEGIN WORK ON THIS? SHOULD IT APPRO BE APPROVED? OH, YOU MEAN THE FENCING? YEAH. WELL, WHEN, WHEN WE GET, UM, [02:15:01] WE HAVE A LOT TO DO INSIDE AS WELL. I MEAN, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TRUCKS TO GO AROUND TO THE SIDE. WE WON'T BE USING THE, THE ROAD IN THE BACK. I DON'T, I DON'T, THAT'S NOT VERY PLAUSIBLE FOR US TO USE. SO WE'LL PROBABLY BE GOING IN THE SIDE FOR A WHILE AND, UH, DEMOING INSIDE. AND THEN AS SOON AS WE GET THE FRONT FACADE GOING, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY WORKING ON THAT HARD TO GET THAT ALL CLEANED UP. WE NEED TO GET A FRONT DOOR ON SO WE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE HOUSE. UM, AND THEN AS SOON AS WE GET EVERYTHING CLEANED UP, WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO, UH, RENOVATING THE POOL HOUSE BACK THERE. WE, WE NEED ACCESS BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THE, THE, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YARD. MM-HMM. , AND THAT'LL PROBABLY BE SEVERAL MONTHS. AND THEN I THINK TOWARDS WHEN WE'RE, I GUESS, THROUGH A DEMO AND MOVING TRUCKS IN AND OUT, THEN WE'LL PROBABLY START CONSTRUCTING THE WALL TO GET THAT DONE. OKAY. AND JUST TO, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE DOING SOME BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING AND SOME TREES BACK OUT THERE, SO WE JUST DON'T HAVE A BIG, UH, TALL BRICK WALL OUT THERE. UM, WE WILL BE DOING LAYERING OF BOXWOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY AND SOFT SOFTEN UP THE WALL. SO, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE WE'RE READY TO START DOING THAT. AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO HAVE THE BRICK COME IN TOO AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. I, I HAD A QUESTION. ZUKA. THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, CHOICE OF BRICK. UM, I, UH, IT, IT'S VERY RED HERE IN THIS DRAWING IS, DO YOU INTEND TO USE THAT RED BRICK? IT SEEMS A BIT, OH, NO, NO, NO, NO. I'M SORRY, SIR. I, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. I JUST DID THAT. THAT'S OKAY. BECAUSE, UH, I WAS DOING THAT JUST AS A, A DRAWING TECH, JUST SO THE OWNER COULD SEE IT. NO, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE GONNA USE THE SAME BRICK. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE SAME BRICK AS THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF. OKAY. WHICH IS A LIGHT, IT'S ALMOST KIND OF WHITE, PEACHY COLOR WITH IT IS JUST A VARIANT OF VERY LIGHT COLORS. AND I THINK WITH THE ELEMENTS, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, CLEAN PRESSURE WASH THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UH, TO SEE WHAT THE REAL COLOR IS. BUT I FOUND, I FOUND BRICK IN MISSOURI FROM AN OLD CHURCH THAT HE HAS ALREADY SENT BRICK, AND IT MA IT SEEMS TO MATCH VERY WELL. SO, UM, BUT NO, WE'RE JUST, I'M SORRY. WE'RE JUST USING THE SAME BRICK ALL THE WAY AROUND. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA USE THE SAME, THERE'S LIKE A, UH, BAND, LIKE A THREE OR FOUR BAND DESIGN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUSE THAT KIND OF WRAPS AROUND. AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA CONTINUE THAT ONTO THE, THE, THE FENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. FIX TILE THAT IN. SO I, WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE. WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK NEW. WE, WE, WE WANT IT TO BLEND IN AND BE BEAUTIFUL AND ADD TO THE BEAUTY OF THE HOME IF YOU SEE THAT IT'S A UNIQUE DETAIL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YES. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. UM, HOPE I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. ONE, THE POOL IS NOT EXISTING YET. CORRECT. IS THAT PART OF THE, UH, PROOF? OKAY. YES, HE'S GONNA BE ADDING THAT. ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S NOT A CONSTRAINT ON WHERE, WHERE THE WALL FALLS. 'CAUSE FOR ME, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE NATURAL TO HAVE THE WALL OR FENCE, UH, FALL BACK EVEN FURTHER THAN WHAT, UH, STAFF WAS INDICATING. SO IT DOESN'T CONSTRAIN THOSE, THOSE WINDOWS THAT IT HAPPENS SOMEWHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, PAST THE, THE PLANE OF THE MAIN, MAIN HOUSE, UH, KIND OF WHERE THERE'S A STAIR AND MAYBE IT'S EVEN INCORPORATED INTO THAT PRESENTATION OF THE POOL. AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU IS, DID YOU EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE, UM, MORE RELIANT UPON LANDSCAPE RATHER THAN STRUCTURE TO CREATE THE SORT OF SCREEN THAT YOU ARE, THAT YOUR CLIENT IS REQUESTING BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF A CHANGING GRADE AND WITH LAYERS OF LANDSCAPING, MAYBE YOU COULD PRESENT SOMETHING A LITTLE LESS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOLID TO, TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YET STILL HAVE THAT PERCEIVED SENSE OF OF PRIVACY. WERE, WERE THERE ANY OTHER MATERIAL, UM, OPTIONS EXPLORED? STUCCO, I MEAN STUCCO, OR ARE YOU SAYING SOMETHING LIKE, I MEAN, THERE'S WROUGHT IRON, THERE'S STUCCO, THERE'S BRICK OR JUST, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, SOME KIND OF, UH, LANDSCAPING VEGETATION TYPE OF, UH, FENCING, BUT HE, HE JUST WANTS SOMETHING MORE SOLID AND SOMETHING THAT'LL LAST A LONG TIME AND WITHSTAND, UH, TIME AND NOT HAVE TO PAINT IT. UH, HE, HE WOULD LOVE TO USE THE BRICK. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST LIKE THE BUILDING ITSELF AND JUST HAVING MORE SOLID AND, AND, UH, JUST A SOLID STRUCTURE AND PROBABLY, BUT THE DRAWING IS NOT PRESENTING ITSELF WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT, WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE BACKYARD, THAT IS A [02:20:01] BIG TERRACE THAT HE WANTS. AND THEN HE'S GONNA HAVE A POOL THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE TERRACE, KIND OF LIKE A, I DON'T WANNA SAY GROTTO, BUT HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO GO UNDER THAT TERRACE WITH A POOL AND, AND, AND HAVE THAT, THE, THE FULL LENGTH OF THAT POOL. IT'S LIKE 40, 45 FEET OR SOMETHING, 47 FEET AND THEN HAVE A SECOND LEVEL. HE'S JUST, HE'S SO INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT. UM, AND I THINK JUST THE, THE BRICK WALL IS JUST, TO ME, IT LOOKS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT BUILDING. UM, SO IT'S, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT MORE SO THAN ANY WR IRON FENCE, WHATEVER EVER BE. WELL, I, I SUPPOSE I WOULD WHEN I WAS PROPOSING SOME KIND OF COMBINATION OF WROUGHT IRON, UH, WITH BRICK POSTS. AND SINCE THE POOL ISN'T A CONSTRAINT, IT COULD BE PUSHED FURTHER TOWARDS THE, UH, WHAT I THINK IS TOWARDS THE SOUTH IN THIS CASE. IS THAT CORRECT? DO I HAVE MY ORIENTATION? NO, NO, NO. TO, TO THE NORTH, TO THE NORTH TO, TO EXTEND YOUR TERRACE AND GET AROUND THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT OBSCURING, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT FEATURES OF THE HOUSE. THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF, UH, REACTING AGAINST. THAT'S WHAT, UH, HE'S JUST HAD. I, I THINK HE'S JUST HAD THIS IN HIS MIND FOR 20 YEARS OR SO THAT HE WANTS A, A BIG BRICK, UH, YOU KNOW, A FENCING UP THERE FOR PRIVACY, SOLID PRIVACY AND, UH, JUST FOR THE STATURE OF THE HOUSE, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE, THAT TYPE OF FENCING FOR THE HOUSE. AND I, I THINK I SENT SOME OTHER PHOTOS OF, YOU KNOW, UH, LET'S SEE, IT WAS 2 0 5, UH, WAS IT SUMMIT? THAT HAS A, YEAH, THAT'S IT. AND IT HAS A BIG STUCCO FENCE AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER THAN SIX FEET. IT MAY NOT BE. UM, AND THAT GOES ALL AROUND THE HOUSE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT OFF OF HOWARD. IT'S A LOT OF FENCING AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND I, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD BE JUST AS BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S, IT WOULD, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE. AND I MEAN, MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE A WR IRON DOOR AND ALSO DO OWN DOORS OVER THERE FOR THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY TO KIND OF BREAK IT UP. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE WANTING TO DO LANDSCAPING THAT WILL BREAK UP THAT WALL, UM, TO MAKE IT JUST SOFTEN IT UP. BUT I THINK AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE TOO, I THINK HE JUST, HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BRICK JUST LIKE THE HOUSE AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYMORE PAINTING OR CRUMBLING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. HE JUST PUT IT IN AND, AND LEAVE IT ALONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. BECAUSE HE REALLY WANTS TO MOVE. HE REALLY WANTS TO MOVE IN THERE. HE'S, HE'S, HE'S MOTIVATED LIKE CRAZY NOW TO GET IT DONE. AND, UH, HE'S JUST HOPING TO GET THIS APPROVED, THIS LITTLE PART APPROVED. AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, MR. CHAIR, ANOTHER QUESTION. OKAY. THAT THERE MIGHT BE A SITE VISIT NEXT WEEK FOR WINDOWS? CORRECT. SO, UM, IN, UH, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR A PLACEMENT OF, UH, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WINDOWS, UH, THAT WAS TABLED, UM, AND OR POSTPONED FOR A SITE VISIT THAT NEVER OCCURRED. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE THAT TIME IN THE DISCUSSION OF ADDRESSING DEMO BY NEGLECT AND VACANT BUILDING VIOLATIONS, UM, HAS REVISITED THE WINDOWS. UM, AND, UH, I SUGGESTED TO THEM LAST WEEK, UH, THEIR REQUEST DOESN'T QUITE MATCH GUIDELINES THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE COMMISSIONERS ON SITE TO VIEW THE CONDITION OF WINDOWS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION WHENEVER THAT IS ON AN AGENDA, UH, WHICH WILL LIKELY BE, UH, AUGUST THE SECOND. WELL THEN ONE SUGGESTION TO GET THIS OFF DEAD CENTER IS IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A SITE, UH, D R C THAT WE POSTPONE ACTION ON THE FENCE UNTIL, UH, WE HAVE THAT SITE D R C, WE CAN LOOK AT THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SPECIFICS OF THIS HOUSE AND LOOK AT IT ALL TOGETHER. THAT'D BE ONE SUGGESTION. YEAH, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I, I ACTUALLY WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A WAY TO SEE THE EAST SIDE TO KIND OF SEE WHERE THAT SLOPE GOES. 'CAUSE I CAN STILL NOT UNDERSTAND HOW A TERRACE GOES OVER A POOL. I MEAN, HOW IS IT HOLDING UP AND ALL THAT? SO I WAS LIKE, YEAH, WONDERING THAT. SO, UM, I'LL DO A MOTION IF YOU WANT. OKAY. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO A D R C, SECOND SITE VISIT, SITE VISIT SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH. IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THESE DIFFERENT PARTS OF WORK OR WHERE THE EFFORT HERE CONSOLIDATED TO ONE PACKET SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT ALL THIS AND KIND OF DECIDE FROM A HOLISTIC APPROACH INSTEAD OF PIECEMEALING? 'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S STUFF OPEN FROM 2016 [02:25:01] HERE. THERE'S SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MOVING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SOME CONCERNS. CAN ALL THIS GET CONSOLIDATED SO THAT WHEN WE GO TO A SITE VISIT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE THING? YES. UH, IT, IT CAN, UM, I, I WILL SAY THAT THE, UM, THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MENTIONED, UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, THE APPLICATIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, NOW ARE TO ADDRESS THINGS FROM THOSE THAT THEY WANNA CHANGE. BUT THE WINDOWS, AND THIS CAN BE, WE CAN INC THAT THAT CAN BE GROUPED INTO ONE. NOW, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE THIS OR, OR MOVE THIS TO D R C, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEEMS TO HAVE A, A PRETTY, PRETTY SOLID OPINION ON WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS THING AS A WHOLE. AND THAT FACTORS IN AT LEAST INTO MY VOTE. SO I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE STAFF CONSOLIDATE ALL THIS STUFF, INCLUDING THE OLDER STUFF. IF IT'S OUTDATED, KIND OF PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN, REPACKAGE IT AND, AND PRESENT IT HOLISTICALLY AND WANNA SEE WHAT THIS THING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AS A WHOLE. FOR SURE. WE CAN INCLUDE, UH, PREVIOUS APPROVALS. UM, I'LL JUST, WE'LL NEED TO NOTE WE A CURRENT REQUEST IS AND WHAT'S UH, PASSED. WE CAN, BECAUSE I MEAN WE CAN INCLUDE CASE INFORMATION. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT RE-APP APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED. YOU CAN'T DO THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT. EXACTLY. IT'S NOT REAPP APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'S APPROVED, BUT HOW DOES WHAT WE APPROVE NOW IMPACT WHAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE FROM A, FROM A, A CONCEPTUAL STANDPOINT? HOW'S IT GONNA LOOK? YOU KNOW, A LOT OF GOOD POINTS ON THIS BRICK WALL. RIGHT? BUT HOW DOES IT IMPACT THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS, RIGHT? NO, WE CAN PUT TOGETHER CASE INFORMATION. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE SINA AYE REGARD? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP. AYE, CERVANTES? YES. AND VET SIR. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS. HAUSMAN. STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT SITE, UH, REVIEW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 27. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 76 19 21 FREDERICKSBURG. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL STEEL AND WIRE MESH FENCE AT THE PERIMETER OF THE VACANT LOT AT 1921. FREDERICKSBURG STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PERIMETER FENCE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS AN ARCHITECTURAL MESH FENCE WITH MATCHING POSTS OR OFFENSE OF SIMILAR QUALITY BASED ON FINDING B AND SUBMITS UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND PLANS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THE APPLICANT, ALBERTO SALAZAR, IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. I'M SORRY, ONE MOMENT. MR. SALAZAR, ARE YOU THERE? YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE. HELLO? WE CAN HEAR YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. OKAY. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, YES, UH, WE REQUESTED A REVIEW FOR A FENCE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. UM, WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING SOME ISSUES WITH TRASH AND, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THE MAINTENANCE IS, HAS GONE, HAS, HAS GOTTEN OUTTA CONTROL. SO, UM, WE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW, UH, FENCING THE PROPERTY WITH THE GATE, THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO, OUR MATERIALS THAT WE WILL UPCYCLE, UM, THAT WILL BE ROUND THE STEEL PIPES THAT WILL BE PAINTED, UH, ACCORDINGLY, WE HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL MESH THAT WILL GO AROUND THE PERIMETER. UM, THE GATE WILL ALSO BE MADE FROM THE SAME MATERIALS AND AS PER RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF. UM, THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE SAW WAS THE, THE PIPES, UM, I THINK STAFF RECOMMENDED SQUARE TUBING. AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE, AND THAT WOULD, IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE, THAT WOULD PUT US A LITTLE BIT, WELL, I WOULD SAY A LOT OVER OUR BUDGET. UM, WE NEED ABOUT 35 PIPES TO ENCLOSE THE 280 LINEAR FEET THAT ARE THERE. SO I AM ASKING IF, IF THE BOARD WOULD RECONSIDER OUR PIPES. AND WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27 19 21 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 2 7 6. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I CHAIR THE M P N A ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE NINE MEMBER BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR [02:30:01] SEEKING TO SECURE THEIR VACANT LOT. WE NOTE THAT THE PROPERTY RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN 2007 FOR DEMOLITION OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY WHEN DEMOLITION OCCURRED. THE STONE PLANTER BOX PAID FOR BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO BOND DOLLARS AND THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK ALONG THE ELMENDORF SIDE OF THE STREET WAS REMOVED IN 2016. THE OWNER RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM H D R C TO CONSTRUCT A NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDING. HOWEVER, THOSE PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN EXECUTED. WE RAISED CONCERN REGARDING THE GAP IN THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK WITH A PROPOSED FENCING AS THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN DOES NOT REFLECT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS. WE ALSO NOTE THAT THE CITY'S CLEAR VISION REQUIREMENTS, WHICH MAY REQUIRE THE FENCING'S POSITIONING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE ELMENDORF INTERSECTION AND ADJACENT HEADIN PARKING LOCATED AT 1909 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, A LANDMARK BUILDING. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE ALTERNATE FENCE MATERIAL. WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. AND WE'VE ALSO EMAILED IN EXHIBITS, UH, SHOWING THE POINTS THAT WE HAVE MADE IN OUR STATEMENT. THANK YOU. AND THOSE EXHIBITS WERE SHOWN DURING THE VOICEMAIL AND ARE AVAILABLE IN THE LETTERS FOLDER AS WELL. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THIS IS A, IS THIS A TEMPORARY FENCE? AND IF SO, UH, HOW LONG IS IT GONNA BE TEMPORARY? WELL, THE, THE PLAN, LIKE I SAID, IS TO, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE OUR, OUR MAINTENANCE AND, AND ELIMINATE THE MAJORITY OF THE TRASH THAT ACCUMULATES. AND AT THE SAME TIME, UM, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BEAUTIFY IT A LITTLE BIT AT, AT SOME PLANTS, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST MAKE IT BETTER LOOKING THAT THAT THAN IT IS NOW. UM, WE DON'T KNOW, UM, IF IT'S GOING TO BE TEMPORARY OR NOT. UM, IT'S, THIS PROPERTY HAS, I THINK THE OWNER RIGHT NOW JUST DOES NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE HE'S GONNA GO WITH IT. SO I WOULD SAY I'M, I'M NOT SURE I CANNOT ANSWER THAT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GO UP AND COME DOWN IN, IN A YEAR. WELL, IN THAT CASE, I THI I THINK IT NEEDS AS MUCH BEAUTIFICATION AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S NEXT TO A HISTORIC BUILDING AND IT'S GOT HIGH VISIBILITY. OH, ABSOLUTELY. WE, WE, I TOTALLY AGREE. UM, I'VE BEEN IN TALKS WITH THE OWNER AND, AND HE'S COMPLETELY ON BOARD AND, AND HE'S ASKED ME TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE CHARGE OF THIS AND DO WHATEVER I CAN TO MAKE THAT PROPERTY LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN IT IS. NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, COULD YOU DE FURTHER DESCRIBE ARCHITECTURAL MESH FENCE WITH MATCHING POSTS? CERTAINLY. SO WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE CASE FILE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE. SO SOMETHING THAT IS MORE, UM, APPROPRIATE FOR THE CONTEXT OF THIS COMMERCIAL AREA. THIS IS FENCING THAT'S MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'LL FIND ON OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ALONG FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. UM, THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAD ALSO SUBMITTED, UH, AND IS AVAILABLE IN THE LETTERS FOLDER, AN EXAMPLE OF SIMILAR FENCING THAT, UH, FEATURES ELEMENTS THAT AREN'T AS THICK AS WHAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED IN THEIR EXAMPLE. UM, SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH WHAT, UH, YOU REGULARLY SEE ALONG THE FREDERICK FREDERICKSBURG ROAD CORRIDOR AS OPPOSED TO THE MATERIALS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE PICTURE THAT I SUBMITTED OF THE PIPE IS NOT PLEASING TO THE EYES, BUT IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE PAINTED, UM, EITHER BLACK GREEN AND, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL MESH THAT WE'RE USING DOES HAVE, I THINK THEY'RE TWO BY FOUR PANELS, SO IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT STAFF HAS, UH, SUGGESTED. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER LINA, UNLESS WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND A MOTION, OH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS A QUESTION. SORRY. UM, YES, UH, WAS IT INVESTIGATED THE IMPACT OF THE, UH, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC VISIBILITY, UM, ON THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE, OF THE FENCING, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW IS VERY TRICKY WITH A LOT OF THOSE ROADS, HOW THEY HIT INTO, UH, FREDERICKSBURG ROADS SINCE IT, IT RUNS AT A DIAGONAL, THERE'S A LOT OF OBLIQUE ANGLES AND, UH, ANY OBSTRUCTIONS MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. HAVE YOU HAVE, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT? THAT'S ONE QUESTION. AND THE SECOND ONE, HAS THERE BEEN A CONSIDERATION OF [02:35:01] MAYBE SELLING A SALVAGE THE PIPE MATERIAL THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE AND USING THE PROCEEDS FOR THAT TO GET SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE APPROPRIATE? SOMETHING THAT FEELS A LITTLE LESS, UM, CRUDE AND, UH, SOMETHING THAT FEELS A LITTLE BIT MORE APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICT? UH, THE FENCE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET AND GIVEN THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL MESH THAT WE'LL BE USING, THERE WILL BE NO OBSTRUCTION, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THAT CORNER, WHICH YES, AS, AS YOU SAY, IT IS, IT IS IN A DIAGONAL. IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A WEIRD CORNER THERE. UM, AS FAR AS SELLING WHAT WE HAVE, UH, WE COULD, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY GET PAID. I DON'T KNOW, WE WOULD PROB IF WE SELL THE 35 PIPES, WE WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS. SO THAT'S, THAT IS NOT AN OPTION. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF, I GUESS I NEVER ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER MATERIAL BESIDES STEEL THAT WE CAN USE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALLOWED TO USE MAYBE SOME TIMBER POSTS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SINO, UM, I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE, UM, OH BOY, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS AN ARCHITECTURAL MESH FENCE WITH MATCHING POSTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND AN ADDED STIPULATION THAT THE LAYOUT OBSERVES A CITY STANDARD OF VISIBILITY TRIANGLE PER THE CODE. SECOND MOTION. A SECOND CLARIFICATION. YES. UM, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT. THIS IS A TRICKY PLACE THAT IS HIGH VISIBILITY. IT HAS A CLEAR HISTORIC NATURE DUE TO THE NEIGHBORING BUILDING AND, UM, A NICE FENCE AND ENCLOSURE IS APPROPRIATE, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE COMMERCIAL GRADE. UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A COMMERCIAL SITE AND, UH, YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT'LL BE SAFE FOR, UM, TO, UM, SECURE THE LAND, ET CETERA, MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO CLIMB, THROW TRASH, WHATEVER. SO I THINK THE MATERIAL THAT YOU'RE PROPOS, THAT THE STAFF PROPOSES AS A SUITABLE SUBSTITUTE IS REALLY APPROPRIATE. AND, UH, YEAH, EVEN A LOW FENCE NEEDS A, A TRIANGLE OF VISIBILITY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT, HOW IT'S REFERRED TO HERE. UM, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE IN A SEDAN OR A, A LOWER RIGHT, UH, VEHICLE, THAT FOREFOOT WILL OBSTRUCT THE VIEW. OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER GROUP? UM, SORRY, I MEAN, AND TO THE APPLICANT. I MEAN, IF THERE'S OTHER SOLUTIONS, JUST, YOU KNOW, GET WITH STAFF FIRST, RIGHT? AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT WE APPROVE THIS WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THEN THERE CAN BE OTHER OPTIONS CONSIDERED. THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS. UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. SAVINA AYE. REGARD? AYE. AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 28. ITEM 28 ON THE H T R C AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 6 8 8 14 NORTH OLIVE STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND A PREVIOUS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THREE, TWO STORY STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT ADDRESSED. EIGHT 14 NORTH OLIVE, FORMERLY EIGHT 10 NORTH OLIVE, SPECIFICALLY TO MODIFY THE CARPORT DESIGN OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH STRUCTURES TO FEATURE ENTIRELY METAL CANOPIES. TWO. TO INSTALL FIVE V METAL ROOFING ON ALL THREE STRUCTURES. THREE, TO INSTALL ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON ALL THREE STRUCTURES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CARPORT DESIGN FOR THE NORTH AND SOUTH STRUCTURES THAT FEATURES EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS AND I-BEAMS AS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON ALL THREE STRUCTURES AS NOTED IN FINDING D, THE ROOFS SHOULD FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE, SEEMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISHER. STANDARD GALVAO FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION. RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION. NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS. END CAPS ARE ALLOWED. AN INSPECTION MUST [02:40:01] BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROOF PITCH OR ROOF FORM ARE REQUESTED AT THIS TIME. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A WINDOW PRODUCT THAT CONFORMS TO STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, NAMELY A HIGH QUALITY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT. AS NOTED IN FINDING E UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, BRAD CLAUSON HERE IN PERSON. UM, THERE IS, LEMME PULL UP MY NOTES, I BELIEVE ONE LETTER ON FILE AND ONE VOICEMAIL AS WELL. ALRIGHT. OKAY, . GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. BRAD CLAWSON, THIS IS JEFF HAMPTON. WE'RE HERE REPRESENTING A PROJECT OVER AT EIGHT 14 NORTH OLIVE STREET AND, UH, WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON THESE THREE ITEMS AND SEE IF WE CAN GET CONSIDERATION IN GETTING THESE APPROVED ROOF. SO FIRST, IF WE WANNA START OFF WITH THE CARPORTS. UM, SO ORIGINALLY ON THE ORIGINAL FIRST SET OF PLANS, THEY HAD AN I-BEAM AND THEN THEY HAD WOOD RAFTERS WITH, UH, EXPOSED RAFTER TILLS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES THERE, UM, PER OUR, OUR INSTALLERS REQUEST AND, UH, AND RECOMMENDATION, WE END UP GOING WITH AN ALL METAL CONSTRUCTION, UM, DUE TO WIND GUSTS AND THINGS THAT HE'S SEEN HAPPEN TO OTHER PROJECTS. UM, STRUCTURAL WISE, WE ARE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO, TO WRAPPING THAT IN IN A WOOD, UM, WHEN, WHEN IT GO, UH, GOES ACROSS TO THE, UH, COVERING ON THOSE RAFTERS. UM, BUT AT THE MOMENT IT IS CURRENTLY ALL METAL CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. IN TERMS OF THE, THE ROOFING MATERIAL ON THE ROOF MATERIAL PER THE CUSTOMER'S REQUEST, WE END UP WANTING TO CHANGE TO A V CRIMP PANEL, UM, WHICH WE'VE SEEN ON THE GUIDELINES IS AN APPROPRIATE, UM, APPROVED MATERIAL TO DO WITH THE EXPOSED, UH, FASTENERS, EXTERNAL FASTENERS. AND SO WE, UH, DECIDED TO GO THAT ROUTE. UM, ORIGINALLY IT WAS APPROVED AS A CORRUGATED METAL ROOF, UM, AND THE CUSTOMER REQUESTED TO CHANGE IT TO A V CRAMP PANEL. AND THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED ALREADY? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE WINDOWS? YEAH, SO ORIGINALLY IT WAS PROPOSED TO DO A, UH, A WOOD OR A WOOD, UH, WOOD CLAD WINDOW. UM, PER THE CUSTOMER'S REQUEST, HE WANTED TO DO A, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOW INSTEAD. UM, I KNOW WITHIN A STONE'S THROW OF THIS PROJECT, THERE IS MULTIPLE NEW BUILD PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS PROJECT. UM, SO WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, FOR CONSIDERATION TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THOSE OTHER PROJECTS DID. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, MAY WE HAVE THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE? HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CO. AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN DIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 6 8, LOCATED AT EIGHT 14 NORTH OLIVE STREET. WE AGREE WITH'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE HOUSES SHOULD BE KEPT, METAL CANOPIES SHOULD NOT BE USED, AND A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF AND WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE USED. IN ADDITION, SEVERAL OF THE HOUSES LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF METAL SIDING. WHEN WAS THAT APPROVED? METAL SIDING IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA OF IGN WOODY HILL THAT IS SURROUNDED BY WOOD OR BRICK SIDING HOUSES. THANK YOU. JESSICA, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE ORIGINAL, UM, SIDING MATERIAL WAS APPROVED TO BE? UH, THE APPROVED SIDING INCLUDED THE CORRUGATED METAL AS SEEN IN THE PHOTOS. THE ONLY ITEMS THAT CHANGED FROM THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ARE THE THREE ITEMS LISTED HERE. SO THE ROOF MATERIAL, UH, THE CARPORT DESIGN ON THE TWO OUTSIDE STRUCTURES OF THE THREE, AND THEN THE WINDOW MATERIALS. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. I'M TRYING TO WRAP AROUND MY IDEA HERE. IT WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. I AM JUST LIKE, CAN YOU PULL UP SLIDE 44 STUFF? I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT IS, UH, SORRY. SLIDE ONE MORE. 36 44. FOUR I AND THAT'S KIND OF THE DESIGN WE, WE APPROVED. YES, BUT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE BACK THREE HOUSES, NOT THAT FRONT HOUSE THAT'S ON A SEPARATE PARCEL. I THINK THEY MIGHT'VE BEEN APPROVED AT THIS TIME. I KNOW, BUT I MEAN YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE A LITTLE BIT IN THE BACK, RIGHT? [02:45:04] YEAH. UM, SLIDE THREE SIX SHOWS THE, THAT'S MATERIALS CLEARLY CALLED OUT AS METAL SIDING ALONG WITH THE, UH, BOARD AND BED, WHICH THAT RENDERING ACTUALLY SHOWS THE BACK. UM, THE PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN BY THE STAFF WAS FROM THE ALLEY SHOWING THE FRONT AND THE CARPORTS ARE IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS ON THE ALLEY SIDE. ARE YOU KEEPING ALL THE FENESTRATIONS AS WHERE THEY ARE AND ALL THAT? YOU'RE NOT RE YOU'RE NOT REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF FENESTRATIONS? NO, NO. WHY THIS SUDDEN CHANGE OF, UH, OF THE WINDOW MATERIAL JUST PER THE CUSTOMER'S REQUEST? I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE NO MORE QUESTIONS IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS. UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP. SORRY. UM, I MEAN I THINK I'LL APPROVE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THIS ONE. I'LL SECOND A VOICEMAIL ON THIS ONE. JESS. WE PLAYED IT. LET'S MAKE WE DID. YES. WE ALSO HAVE SIGNED LETTERS FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE OKAY WITH THE CHANGE OF THE WINDOWS TO THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING. THEY IN OUR PACKET. I DON'T SEE THEM. I DID NOT RECEIVE THOSE. NO, WE HAVE THOSE PERSONALLY, BUT THEY'RE NOT WITHIN THE PACKET. THERE WAS A SEC. I MEAN, YEAH, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE, WE ARE VERY CONSISTENT ON WHAT TYPE OF WINDOWS WE APPROVE AND SO I THINK IF YOU JUST KEEP IT WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW, THAT WOULD BE FINE. BUT JUST MAKING, I WOULD, I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU'RE BUYING IT, JUST RUN THE SPECS WITH THE STUFF. BUT, UM, I THINK WE'RE VERY CONSISTENT ON THAT WITH EVERY PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TOO. AND IF YOU DON'T NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THERE'S, THERE'S LITERALLY, I'VE GOT PICTURES OF EIGHT DIFFERENT HOUSES WITHIN A STONE'S THROW FROM THIS PROJECT THAT ALL HAVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND THERE'S EVEN ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT THAT HAS WHITE VINYL WINDOWS. YEAH, I MEAN, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN. AND THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL NEW BUILD, RECENT BUILD. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT LATELY TO BE, UM, UH, FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES ON THE WINDOWS. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT SWAYED THE, UH, THE CUSTOMER WAS GOING WITH AN ALUMINUM WINDOW BECAUSE OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY, I'M SORRY, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UM, COST, ET CETERA. UM, AND MEAN THAT HE SAW IT SO CLOSE TO HIS PROJECT THAT MADE HIM SWAY HIS DECISION. I HAVE ONE. UM, I AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, MOTION, BUT WOULD WONDER YOU'D ENTERTAIN ON ITEM TWO, UH, SINCE WE HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED A CORRUGATED METAL ROOF, THAT THEY COULD GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL MATERIAL RATHER THAN THE STANDING SEAM THAT'S IN THIS RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD I ASK A QUESTION? UM, WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE EXACT ROOF THAT WE INSTALLED AND IT SAYS APPROPRIATE V CURRENT ROOF, UH, WITH EXTERNAL METAL FASTENERS. SO WHY WOULD THAT PITCHER BE ON THERE IF THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE? OKAY, SO I'M JUST GONNA ASK STAFF ON THIS ONE. WAS THAT ROOF SPECIFIED TO YOU BEFORE YOU MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION? THE CORRUGATED METAL WAS WHAT WAS, UH, NO, NO REQUESTED THE NEW ONE THAT THEY WANNA INSTALLED. THAT'S WHAT THEY INSTALLED WITHOUT PERMISSION. SO WE DON'T HAVE A HISTORY OF APPROVING FIVE E ROOFS ON PRIMARY STRUCTURES. UM, WE HAVE SEEN A FEW ON, UH, DETACHED CARPORTS, DETACHED GARAGES, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT NOT ON A PRIMARY STRUCTURE. IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE WEBSITE. THERE WAS NO SPECIFICATION FOR THAT ON THE WEBSITE. I, I'LL DEFER TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THE ROOF. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT, UM, I'M, I'M, WE'RE ALSO VERY CONSISTENT ON OUR METAL ROOFING, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY WE, WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT ABOUT BOTH WINDOWS AND, UH, THE ROOF AND UM, AND UH, SO YOUR ROOF WAS ALREADY INSTALLED, RIGHT? I MEAN CORRECT. YOU'D HAVE AND TEAR THAT OFF. UM, [02:50:03] AND REGARDING THE, THE, THE WINDOWS, THE, UH, FIBERGLASS, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY THE WINDOW THAT WAS APPROVED, CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THERMALLY BETTER PERFORMER THAN THE, THE ALUMINUM. UH, UNLESS THE ALUMINUM IS THERMALLY BROKEN, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A LESS, UH, UH, THERMALLY EFFICIENT WINDOW. SO JUST, UH, KINDA WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE. IF THE, IF THE CLIENT'S ASKING FOR THAT AND ASKING FOR HIGHER ENERGY BILLS, THEN UH, I GUESS THAT'S FINE. THE, WHAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IT IS SORT OF THE PROFILE THAT, THAT YOU CAN ACHIEVE WITH THE, THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS HASN'T BEEN THICK ENOUGH TO GET TO WHAT THE, UH, O HPS, UH, KIND OF STANDARD DIMENSIONS ARE. AND SO IT'S BEEN LESS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MATERIAL AND MORE ABOUT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE, OF THE MATERIAL MM-HMM. AND, UH, ARE YOU SAYING THE, I'M SORRY. AND THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS TEND TO BE VERY THIN AND SKIMPY AND, AND THEY, THEY LOOK LIKE THAT. RIGHT. UM, THAT'S WHY FIBERGLASS IS ACTUALLY BROKEN INTO BEING ACCEPTABLE WITH US JUST BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT THICKER AND ACHIEVE SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER IN, IN DIMENSION TO, UM, THE HISTORIC, UH, WINDOWS. UM, PERSONALLY I AM NOT THAT OFFENDED BY THE CARPORT. I THINK IT'S KIND OF IN, IN, IN KEEPING WITH THE CORRUGATED METAL ROOF. THAT IS A VERY SPARSE, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MINIMALIST DESIGN WITH THAT. BUT SOME OF THESE OTHER ELEMENTS I, I THINK ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY THE WINDOW PROFILES. BUT I'LL, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE, THE MOTION. ARE WE ABLE TO GO BACK WITH THE ORIGINAL CORRUGATED ROOF METAL THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PAST? WOULD YOU ADD? I DON'T THINK THAT'S FOR ME. RIGHT. THEY CAN STILL GO BACK TO THE CORRUGATED METAL, WHICH IS ALREADY APPROVED. SO THAT WAS APPROVED BY H D R C. SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS BASED ON GUIDELINES, WHICH TYPICALLY STIPULATE THE STANDING SAME METAL ROOF AND YEAH. BUT IF THERE'S ALREADY AN APPROVAL, THEY, THEY STILL HAVE THAT APPROVAL OR BECAUSE THERE'S A VIOLATION THEN THAT, THAT APPROVAL GETS VOIDED OR WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE FIVE V ROOF THOUGH. AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN FACE OF THE FIVE V METAL IS STANDING SEAT METAL. SO I THINK SO THEY'RE ASKING, YOU'RE ASKING IF CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE CORRUGATED? YES. IF, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THE VCRA, WHICH CLEARLY STATES ON THE GUIDELINES, BUT, UM, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN WE'RE ASKING TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WHAT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL APPROVED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO GO BACK TO THE CORRUGATED ROOF, THEN MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE THAT YOU'D RE WITHDRAW THE REQUEST FOR THE FIVE V YES. METAL ROOF IF, IF IT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED YES. AND GO WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CORRUGATED CORRECT. OR COMMISSION, COULD YOU YEAH, JUST A, I MEAN , I DON'T THINK I REALIZED THAT WHATEVER THE MATERIAL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WAS UP FOR QUESTION. UM, AND SO THE FIVE V PROBABLY IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN JUST CORRUGATED METAL. AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO INSTALL, THEN IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT PERSONALLY. OKAY. SO HOW DOES THE FIVE E RELATE TO OUR, YOU KNOW, THE 1820? WHAT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE? IT'S JUST GONNA HAVE, DOESN'T HAVE THE 1820, IT'S NOT INDIVIDUAL. UM, SO EACH, EACH PANEL HAS SOME CORRUGATION TO IT. THERE'S USUALLY A COUPLE OF, UM, I DUNNO, WAVES IS THE RIGHT WORD, RIDGES. UM, AND SO IT IS A, BUT, BUT THERE'S SPACED WIDELY SO THAT THEY LOOK MORE LIKE A STANDING SCENE. ITS HALFWAY COR, IT'S BETWEEN CORRUGATED METAL AND A STANDING SCENE. OKAY. SO THE, THE ROOF THAT YOU INSTALL, YOU HAVE THE 18 TO 21, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE THAT SPACE. YEAH. CORRECT. AND IT IS EXACTLY THIS ROOF THAT IS ON THE GUIDELINE. IT'S THE EXACT ROOF THAT SAYS RIGHT HERE THAT'S APPROVED IS WHAT WE HAVE INSTALLED. CRIMP CRIMP CORNERS AS WELL. HAS STAFF SEEN IT? IT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY INSTALLED ON THE BUILDING. HAVE YOU SEEN IT, DOES IT LOOK LIKE, DOES IT VISUALLY, I MEAN IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A STANDING SEA METAL, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A FIVE V GO GLOOM ROOF. THESE ARE ALL THE PHOTOS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED STAFF. WHY IS THAT ON THE GUIDELINES ON THE WEBSITE? I MEAN, WHY, WHY IS HE REFERENCING SOMETHING THAT IS, IS IT IS A MISTAKE ON THE WEBSITE OR NO, I MEAN, WHEN THAT WAS WRITTEN, UM, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT SOME SMALLER, MORE KIND OF VERNACULAR STRUCTURES WOULD SOMETIMES HAVE SIMPLE ROOF DESIGNS LIKE THIS. AND SO WHAT WE MEANT TO SAY IS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES. MOST PEOPLE DO REQUEST STANDING SEAMS, SO THAT'S USUALLY WHAT YOU SEE. UM, BUT FIVE FEE CRAMP HAS BEEN APPROVED ON SOME APPLICATIONS. AND THEN WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED, WAS IT FIVE YEARS AGO? WHEN WAS THIS APPROVED? THE, THE ROOF, THE, THE ORIGINAL, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS TWO YEARS AGO. TWO YEARS AGO? YEAH, A LITTLE BIT OVER TWO YEARS AGO, BUT NO. OH, IT GOES IT FURTHER BACK FROM THAT? IT WAS, YES. OKAY. AND THEN IT WAS APPROVED AGAIN IN 2020, I BELIEVE WE REISSUED THE C F A. [02:55:01] OKAY. SO THEN THAT AT THAT POINT THAT THAT COMMISSION HAD A REASON TO APPROVE THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, THEN I'M ASSUMING THE HT R C APPROVED THE CORRUGATED METAL ROOF AS PRESENTED. THE H D R C HAS NOT APPROVED A FIVE V GAL BLOOM ROOF ON THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT. GOT IT. WELL, LET'S SEE HOW THIS VOTE GOES AND IF IT DOESN'T PASS, WE'LL LOOK FOR ANOTHER MOTION ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE SINO AYE. REGARD A AYE. MOOKA AYE. CARPENTER, NAYYY GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER NAYYY. MOTION CARRIES. CARRIES. JESSICA, WE'LL GET WITH Y'ALL AND CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT WE ALL DISCUSS HERE TODAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. AGENDA ITEM 29, ITEM 29 29 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 57 1 14 DEBERRY STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT ONE 14. DEBERRY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH U WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES MASSING AND ELEMENTS ENTRANCE MASSING AND ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING E TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES PROPOSED MASS AND SCALE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. IN PART IN PARTICULAR INCORPORATING AN OVERALL BUILDING WIDTH OR ARRANGEMENT OF BAYS THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. AS NOTED IN FINDING F THAT AS NOTED IN FINDING I THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON THE FRONT PORCH. FEATURES PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE SEEMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH AND A STANDARD GALVAO FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMS WHICH DOOR MATERIAL WILL BE USED AS NOTED IN FINDING L UH FIVE, THAT A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED. AS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE, APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND IN FINDING M SIX THAT THE APPLICANT AMENDS THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION PROFILE TO INCORPORATE WINDOWS THAT FEATURE A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE RATHER THAN THE FIXED CLEAR STORY WINDOWS PROPOSED AS NOTED IN FINDING N SEVEN, THAT THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE EL ENTRANCE ELEMENT IN FRONT PORCH BE AMENDED TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL PORCH MASSING. AS NOTED IN FINDING P EIGHT, THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT LOADING GARAGE BE ELIMINATED AND THAT PARKING SHOULD BE LOCATED ELSEWHERE ON SITE IS NOTED IN FINDING Q. SHOULD THE COMMISSION FIND AN ATTACHED GARAGE APPROPRIATE STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONSISTENT SIDING MATERIAL BE USED THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE. NINE, THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS NOTED IN FINDING T 10. ARCHEOLOGY AND ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED IF EXCAVATIONS ARE NECESSARY NEAR THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, IMPACTS TO THE UPPER LABOR OF SEIA SHALL BE AVOIDED. THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. FOUNDATION INSPECTION IS TO BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF TO ENSURE THAT FOUNDATION SETBACKS AND HEIGHTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED DESIGN. THE INSPECTION IS TO OCCUR AFTER THE INSTALLATION OF FORM WORK AND PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF FOUNDATION MATERIALS. AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK ON THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. AND WE HAVE, UH, APPLICANT JIM TAFOYA HERE IN PERSON. SO THIS IS WHAT THIS, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS CASE. OH, OKAY. UM, SO [03:00:01] I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THE, UH, WITH THE TIMELINE, IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE TIMELINE DOCUMENT. OKAY. SO I WANNA START WITH THE, UH, TIMELINE HERE JUST TO KIND OF SHOW, GIVE, GIVE SOME HISTORY TO THIS PROJECT AND HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. AND SO I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE, UH, LISTENING ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. UM, SEEMS LIKE SOME OF IT HAS BEEN TAKING SOME TIME TO, TO GET THROUGH. SO THIS PROJECT HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE NOTES HERE, STARTED ON, UH, WELL PRIOR TO WEDNESDAY, MAY THE FOURTH OF 2022. THIS IS, THEY HAD AN H D R C MEETING, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WAS DENIED THEN. AND THEN IN 2022, LATER ON IN JULY, THERE WAS A D R C CONSULTATION MEETING. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE PROJECT ENDED UNTIL WE GOT INVOLVED. AND, UH, PREVIOUSLY THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS HAD, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH A, UH, A CONTRACTOR WHO LIVED IN, IN R G V MACALLAN AREA. AND SO I THINK THE COMMUNICATION MAY HAVE BEEN A, A TOUGH SITUATION FOR THEM. SO IT CAME TO A HALT. THEN WE STARTED GETTING INVOLVED SOMETIME IN NOVEMBER, WORKING WITH THE FAMILY AND COMING UP WITH, UM, IDEAS AND CONCEPTS ON HOW TO PUT THIS WHOLE THING TOGETHER. SO WE FINALLY, UH, UH, PRETTY MUCH GOT OUR, UH, I GUESS, UH, COMMITMENTS AND TIMELINES, EVERYTHING TOGETHER. SO WE KICKED THIS BACK OFF IN APRIL. SO ON APRIL YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, OF COURSE WE SUBMITTED OUR ONLINE APPLICATION, UH, APRIL THE 28TH. UH, WE'VE HAD, UM, D R C UH, PRES SUBMITTAL MEETINGS. I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING TO THE POINT IS, IS THAT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THESE MEETINGS AND CONSULTATIONS, WE'VE ALSO, UH, HAD, UH, ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH JESSICA TO BETTER UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE MISSING ON SOME OF THE DESIGNS AND PLANS. AND, UM, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE SENT ME ON WEBEX MEETINGS. UH, SOME OF YOU HAVE. UM, SO WE HAVE, THE FAMILY HAS NOW GONE WELL OVER A YEAR AND PLANNING THIS WHOLE THING, AND THEY'RE READY TO GET BUSY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BUILD. AND SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE WITH THE TIMELINE HERE IS THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED A LOT OF TIME AND RESOURCES AND MEETING WITH YOU, SPECIFICALLY WITH COMMISSIONERS, WITH STAFF, TO GET A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO BUILD. AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE I'D LIKE TO KINDA START THIS MEETING IS THAT WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND RESOURCES GOING THROUGH HERE AND, AND TRYING TO GET THIS THING, UM, WITH FINAL APPROVAL. SO JESSICA, IF YOU COULD PLEASE PULL UP THE FILE. AND SO JESSICA JUST, JESSICA JUST GOT THE, GOING OVER THE STIPULATIONS AND SO, UM, UH, WHAT WAS RECOMME, WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED? AND SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS AT LEAST START WITH PAGE, UH, FOUR. AND JESSICA, IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE FOUR. AND SO THESE ARE THE, THE ACTUAL FINDINGS. AND SO, UM, WHAT I WANT TO ADDRESS HERE IS I, WHAT I, WHAT OUR TAKEAWAYS ARE AS FAR AS WHAT WE WERE MISSING AND WHAT WE NEEDED TO ADHERE TO AND TO, UM, UH, STRAIGHTEN OUT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, WITH THE BUILD. SO, UM, WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, I THINK WE HAVE 4, 4 5, 5 STIPULATIONS, FIVE BASIC STIPULATIONS. SO IF I JUST STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE TIME THAT WE'VE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT, I STEP BACK AND I LOOK AT JUST FIVE MAJOR STIPULATIONS. OKAY. FIVE BIG ONES. OKAY. WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE JUST HIGHLIGHTED THESE HERE, AND I'D LIKE TO KIND OF JUST GO THROUGH THOSE ONE AT A TIME TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE PROJECT AND HOW WE'VE KIND OF MOVED THIS PROJECT THROUGH. OKAY. SO, UM, I'VE GOT ENTRANCE MASSING, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING THAT, UH, HAS REPEATEDLY COME UP, THE MASSING AND SCOWL. UH, THE THIRD ONE IS FENESTRATION, FOURTH ONE IS THE FRONT PORCH, AND THEN THE LAST IS THE FRONT LOADED GARAGE. SO I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE. AND, UM, SO JESSICA, IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE, UM, THE RENDERINGS DOCUMENT. SO ON THE, REGARDING THE MASSING SCALE SIZE, [03:05:01] WHAT I WANNA SHOW HERE IS THAT THIS PROJECT HAS EVOLVED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, AND THE REASON THAT IT HAS IS BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND FROM STAFF. OKAY? IT HAD TO BEST PUT THIS PROJECT TOGETHER. SO WHAT I WANNA SHOW HERE IS JUST, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE IT STARTED, UH, A YEAR AGO. OKAY, WITH THESE TWO, UH, THESE TWO RENDERINGS. JESSICA, YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN FOR ME. UM, D R C WAS INVOLVED IN MAKING SOME SUGGESTIONS AND SOME COMMENTS, UH, WITH THESE PLANS HERE. AND GO AHEAD AND, UH, SCROLL DOWN, PLEASE. UM, WE PRESENTED THIS OPTION AS WELL, AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THIS, UH, UH, THIS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE COMING, WELL, NO, I'M SORRY. THIS IS THE PREVIOUS ONE, AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, WE HAVE MODIFIED THE BUILDING AS YOU CAN SEE. UM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT MEETING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR, UH, FOR STAFF AND FOR, UH, COMMISSIONERS. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS I'D LIKE TO, UM, LOOK AT THE COMPARISONS FOLDER. IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE COMPARISONS FOLDER FOR ME. AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT THE FENESTRATIONS. SO REGARDING FENESTRATIONS WINDOWS, ONE OF THE BIG THING WAS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ONE OVER ONE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND SO THE 6 6 9 EAST MISSILE TOW, THAT HOUSE RIGHT THERE. AND IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT FOR ME, JESSICA, SO ONE OVER ONE, IT'S, IT'S, WE GET THAT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, AND ONE OF OUR RENDERINGS OR ONE OF OUR SIMPLE FILES, UH, DOES NOT HAVE A ONE IN ONE OVER ONE SITUATION. AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THERE'S BATHROOMS, UH, OR KITCHENS OR, BUT I THINK IN OUR CASE, IT'S, IT'S A BATHROOM. SO WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE IS THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT AND, AND THE RIGHT, THERE'S NOT A VERY EXACT ONE OVER ONE. AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE, WELL, WE'VE GOT A BATHROOM THAT WE'VE GOTTA CONTEND WITH, SO IT'D BE IMPRACTICAL TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A ONE OVER ONE SITUATION IN THAT ONE. SO, UM, JESSICA, WOULD YOU PLEASE PULL UP THE, UH, IF YOU COULD GO, GO TO THE WINDOW, TO THE FENESTRATION, IF YOU COULD GO TO SLIDE? YEAH, JUST SCROLL DOWN TO WINDOWS. KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING. UH, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. SO THIS IS A ONE OVER ONE SITUATION WHERE IT WAS JUST IMPRACTICAL FOR US TO, WE'VE GOT TWO BATHROOMS HERE AT THE, UH, ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH A BATHROOM UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO FENESTRATION WISE, I THINK WE'VE WORKED, AS YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE TIMELINE NOTES THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH D R C, WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF IN TRYING TO COME UP WITH THAT PLAN TO BEST FIT THESE WINDOWS. AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE ARE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE COMING TO YOU TO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ON THE FENESTRATION SIDE, HEY, WE'VE DONE WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE PRACTICALLY CAN DO WITH THIS PROJECT. AND SO, UH, CAN YOU SCROLL UP? I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE NORTH ELEVATION WHERE IT SHOWS, UM, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM D R C WHERE, HEY, MAYBE PUT SOME WINDOWS ON THE, UH, ON THE, ON THE GARAGE SIDE. UH, THAT'LL HELP. SO WE'VE TAKEN, WE'VE TAKEN THE COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS, UH, FROM D R C AND FROM STAFF AND, AND TRY TO PUT THIS WHOLE THING TOGETHER. SO, UM, SO THAT'S THE FENESTRATION, UH, COMPONENT OF, SO THERE'S NOT ANY QUESTIONS. I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO THE FRONT PORCH, AND THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE, SO YOU CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT FOR ME. SO REGARDING THE FRONT PORCH, UM, AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME, UH, COMPARABLE HOMES THAT ARE IN THE AREA IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SHOW THAT, THAT THERE, THERE'S NOT A FRONT PORCH. AND THE, THE CHALLENGE FOR US WAS, IS THAT THIS PROJECT, IF YOU CAN REFER BACK TO, UH, THE PLANS FOR ME, UH, SCROLL UP A LITTLE. UH, OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD, UH, SO THE LOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD ON SITS ON A PARALLELOGRAM, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING TO COME UP WITH THAT SCHEME TO WHERE IT, THE, FOR THE FRONT PORCH, JUST, [03:10:01] UH, YOU KNOW, MIMICS WHAT YOU KNOW IS, UH, SUGGESTED AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE GUIDELINES. AND SO, UM, WE FEEL THAT, UH, WE'VE DONE, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE ELEVATION, TO THE NORTH ELEVATION, UH, I'M SORRY. IT'S GONNA BE THE, UH, EAST ELEVATION. SORRY. SO WE'VE DONE RIGHT THERE. SORRY. I'M SORRY. WEST. YEAH, SO THE WEST ELEVATION. SO BECAUSE OF THE ORIENTATION OF THE LOT, UH, WE HAVE SET THIS BUILDING, UH, WE FEEL THAT WE'VE MET THE, THE PORCH GUIDELINES AS BEST AS WE CAN IN TERMS OF WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE. UH, AND HENCE THE REASON FOR PULLING UP THE COM, UH, THE COMPARISONS OF WHAT THAT PORCH LOOKS LIKE, UH, WHAT OTHER PORCHES ARE OUT THERE. AND SO, UH, AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO MOVE OVER TO THE FRONT LOADING GARAGE AND EXPLAIN SOME CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE, WE WERE HAVING WITH THE FRONT LOADED GARAGE. SO IF YOU CAN PULL THE DOCUMENT UP IN MY, UH, YEAH, THAT'S IT. CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT? YES. OKAY. SO FRONT LOADED, SILOED GARAGE. UH, JUST WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH HERE. SO JESSICA, IF YOU COULD ZOOM INTO THE, UM, ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. OKAY. SO SOME CHALLENGES FOR US WERE HOW DO WE BEST PUT THIS GARAGE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE HOME? HOW DO WE DETACH IT? HOW DO WE BEST, YOU KNOW, SITUATE, SITUATE THE, THE GARAGE TO MAKE IT FIT WITHIN THIS LOT. AND SO ONE OF THE CONSTRAINTS IS THAT WE HAVE A 14 FOOT SETBACK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, WELL WEST SIDE OF THE LOT. UH, TO MY LEFT, THAT'S ONE THING WE HAD TO CONTEND WITH. THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD TO LOOK AT IS WE HAD TO LOOK AT THE 10 FOOT EASEMENT THAT WE HAVE COMING ACROSS THE NEIGHBORING LOT, LOT 53. SO THAT'S AN EASEMENT THERE THAT WE HAVE TO BRING UTILITIES INTO THE PROPERTY. SO IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, AND ZOOM OUT FOR ME THERE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE SETBACK, DOTTED LINE, SETBACK OF THE 14 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOME. AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THE TOP RIGHT ONE CORNER. WE HAVE A, UH, THE EASEMENT, THE DASH LINE AT THE EASEMENT. WELL, THAT WOULD CUT INTO THE, INTO THE GARAGE AND HENCE, UH, I THINK IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE MAYBE MOVE THE GARAGE, UH, BACK TOWARDS THE BACK. UM, BUT WE HAVE THAT, THAT 10 FOOT EASEMENT THAT WE INTEND WITH. SO OUR, OUR PLAN IS TO TAKE THAT GARAGE AND, AND MOVE IT BACK TOWARDS THE STREET SIDE TO ALLOW FOR UTILITIES. CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? UM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING OR WE'RE ASKING FOR OR CONSIDERATION, IS THAT WE MOVE THE GARAGE BACK. I DON'T THINK THIS IS WHAT WAS TURNED IN AS FAR AS THE OFFICIAL PLANS THAT WE TURNED IN. UH, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I, JUST, IN REVIEWING, YOU KNOW, THE DOCUMENTS BEFORE WE GOT HERE, I STARTED LOOKING AT THE SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I SAID, WELL, WE'VE GOTTA BRING UTILITIES IN. AND SO THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, TOUGH TO, TO HANDLE. SO MY RECOMMENDATION, IF WITH CONSIDERATION IS TO SLIDE THE GARAGE BACK TOWARDS THE, UH, THE FRONT PART OF THE HOME. AND, UH, JESSICA, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, FRONT LOADED GARAGES, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT'S ALREADY HERE. AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT. JUST BLEND IN WITH THE, THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, EVERY ONE OF THESE SIX PROPERTIES, SEVEN HAVE FRONT LOADED GARAGES. AND SCROLL DOWN TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. SO IF YOU WILL, SO SUGGESTION WAS TO TRY TO PUT A DETACHED GARAGE MAYBE TOWARDS THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE AND MOVE EVERYTHING FORWARDS AS BEST AS WE COULD. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS JUST NOT PRACTICAL. UM, IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE SETBACKS. AND THEY DO HAVE TWO CARS, TWO VEHICLES THAT NEED TO BE GARAGED. SO IN SUMMARY, THIS IS GOING BACK TOWARDS THAT TIMELINE. WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS A WHILE. WE'VE MET WITH SEVERAL OF YOU ON D R C MEETINGS, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY, THEY'VE JUST BEEN, UH, ON THE HOOK, ON, ON THE, PRETTY MUCH JUST WHAT IS, WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO MODIFY AND CHANGE? UM, WE PRESENTED THE CONCEPTIONS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROJECT. [03:15:01] THIS PROJECT WAS FIRST STARTED BACK IN 2022, UH, APRIL, PROBABLY MARCH, WHEN THE APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED BY THE TIME THAT, UH, IT WAS APPROVED. SO IT HAS GONE THROUGH, IT HAS EVOLVED THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, FORMATS CHANGES. UM, SO I'M HERE TO ASK FOR CONSIDERATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL ON THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WE DO NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE REAR EASEMENT. CAN WE PUT UP THAT, UH, I GUESS IT'S THE SURVEY THAT NO, THE, THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. THAT ONE. SO I SEE THE EASEMENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF YOUR LOT. 57. I DON'T SEE IT AT THE REAR OF YOUR LOT. I SEE ONE AT THE REAR OR THE EAST SIDE OF LOT 53. SO WHAT WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT BRINGING UTILITIES? WELL, THAT IS THE EASEMENT AT, AT THIS CURRENT TIME, THIS PROPERTY DOESN'T HAVE, UH, WATER AND SEWER. AND SO THAT EASEMENT WAS DESIGNED FOR THE SEWER BECAUSE THE SEWER TAP WOULD BE AT THE, UH, NORTH END OF LOT 53. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING UTILITIES THROUGH THAT EASEMENT. THERE IS NO SEWER THERE. THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE WOULD TIE IN. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE CITY REQUIRING IN TERMS OF A REAR EASEMENT FOR THAT U THOSE UTILITIES? ARE THEY REQUIRING 10 FEET? YES. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ON THE SURVEY? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. UM, BEFORE WE DO THAT, COULD I GET A REPORT FROM THE LAST D R C? THERE WAS NONE BETWEEN A CONCEPTUAL AND NO. YES, WE HAD, WE YES. I BELIEVE WE HAD ONE A FEW WEEKS AGO. WE HAVE A REPORT. YOU CAN PULL THAT DRC REPORTS THAT'S IN THE CASE FILE TOO. WELL, AND THE TIMELINE, DID YOU HAVE A D R C IN YOUR TIMELINE? IT DIDN'T SHOW THAT THERE WAS A D R C BETWEEN CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND TODAY THERE WAS ONE IN JUNE WAS WHEN WE OKAY. MY MISTAKE. SEXUAL APPROVAL, MY MISTAKE. I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN TO MANY DRCS. YES. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU AND THE, DEFINITELY THE OWNERS WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE, THE COMMISSION IN O H P. WE DO, UM, WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT WAS SUGGESTED IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, TO RIVER ROAD PRIOR TO ALL THIS. AND JESSICA MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION, HEY, HAVE YOU EVEN MET WITH THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? AND WE HAD NOT. SO WE TOOK TIME, UH, AND WE MET WITH THEM AT, UH, I THINK IT IS AT JOHN LARKEY. I THINK HE'S AN ARCHITECT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE WENT TO HIS HOME AND GOT MORE FEEDBACK ON, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO ALONG WITH BARBARA. SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT A LOT OF INPUT, INCLUDING ALL OF YOU AT SOME POINT IN TIME. MOST OF YOU ACTUALLY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO COMM COMMISSIONER GROUP. YES. UM, THAT'S WHAT ONE MORE QUESTIONS WAS, WHY DIDN'T YOU COME BACK TO A D R C? 'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH MANY DRCS. UM, AND, AND I DO WANNA SAY, I MEAN, THERE'S REASONS FOR THE LENGTHY OF ALL THESE MEETINGS BECAUSE I THINK THAT SOME OF THE THINGS, SO YOU HAD FORCED FIVE STIPULATIONS THAT YOU MENTIONED. YOU'VE MENTIONED FENESTRATIONS, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE GARAGE. YOU HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THE ENTRANCE BASE OR MASSING. YOU JUST SAID THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE, YOU HAVE NOT, HOW, HOW YOU'VE, HOW YOU HAVE WHAT YOU'VE MENTIONED, WHY WE WANT THOSE, THOSE FENESTRATIONS AND WHY THE GARAGE. BUT THE MASSING IS STILL AN ISSUE. THE ENTRANCE IS STILL AN ISSUE. AND THE ENTRY BAY, THE, THE, THE ENTRANCE MASSING IS RELATED TO, WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE PORCHES. AND THAT'S WHEN I REFERRED TO THIS IS WHAT THE PORCHES LOOK LIKE. AND BASED ON THE, THE SHAPE OF A LOT, THIS IS WHERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM 2022 WITH THE PREVIOUS ARCHITECTS. WE TOOK THEIR INFORMATION, WE SAY, OKAY, THIS WOULDN'T WORK. SO WE'VE MADE THOSE CHANGES THROUGHOUT AND WE'VE HAD, UH, MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS, EVEN ONE-ON-ONES WITH, WITH JESSICA HERE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW IS IT THAT WE CAN MAYBE INCORPORATE THAT. SO, SO MY, MY, SO THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY CHANGES IN, 'CAUSE THE STIPULATION IS STILL HERE FROM [03:20:01] CONCEPTUAL TO TODAY. HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES? NOT ON, NOT ON THE FRONT PORCHES, NOT ON THE MASSING, NOT ON THE FRONT PORCHES NOR THE ENTRANCE. THEY HAVE NOT. AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE, WE FEEL THAT THEY, WE HAVE GONE ROUND AND ROUND WITH THIS WHOLE THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER. AND I THINK THAT FROM A MASSING, UH, FROM A MASSING PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORING, UM, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE TO THE, TO THE NORTH. WE'RE ABOUT TWO FEET, UH, I THINK SMALLER OR SHORTER THAN, THAN THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE, I BELIEVE. SO WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO DIMENSIONS COME UP WITH THE SIZING, THE MASSING, AND SO YEAH, I DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE GETTING ANYWHERE ELSE WITH MASSING. UH, AND THE ENTRANCE MASSING THAT, UH, THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED, I, I DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE MOVING ANY FURTHER. UM, WE HAVEN'T, WITH ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD PRIOR TO THAT, BECAUSE PRIOR TO THOSE, WE HAVE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. MY POINT HERE, I'M, I'M ON QUESTION MODE AND EV, EVERY TIME WE'VE MET, I'VE ALWAYS ASKED YOU, THESE STIPULATIONS ARE HERE BECAUSE WHAT HAS CHANGED BETWEEN THE LAST ONE AND THIS ONE, THE STIPULATIONS ARE THERE FOR US TO, IN DRCS, DISCUSS WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T MAKE ANY CHANGES, THOSE STIPULATIONS KEEP STAYING AND WE KEEP GOING TO THE NEXT MEETING. SO THAT IS WHY I ASKED THAT. UNDERSTOOD. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE EXTENDED TO MANY MEETINGS IS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THESE, THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY CHANGES FROM MEETING TO MEETING. AND THAT CAUSED LIKE, OKAY, THEN WE HAVE TO GET ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE WE NEED TO SEE CHANGES. IF NOT, THE STIPULATION STILL STAYS THERE. RIGHT? TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. SO, SO TO THAT THOUGH, WHEN WE MAKE A CHANGE, IF WE WERE TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE PORCH, OKAY, WHICH WE DID, WE, WE TRY TO MODIFY THE PORCH, IT CHANGED THE, THE ROOF LINE AT THAT FIRST FLOOR. WELL THEN WE, NOW WE DON'T MEET THE ROOF LINE. NOW WE'RE, THE ROOFING IS WRONG. AND SO, UM, EVERY, SO ANYWHERE WE TRY TO REMOVE, MOVE THAT PORCH AROUND, IT HAS TO CHANGE THE ROOF LINE SOME WAY. SOMEHOW, UH, JUST RIGHT OVER THE, UH, THE FIRST FLOOR THERE, IT CHANGES THAT. SO THEN NOW WE'RE BACK INTO THE SAME SQUARE. UH, WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS WHY IT'S BEEN VERY SUBJECTIVE, I FEEL, UH, IN SOME CASES. UM, BUT IF WE MAKE ONE SMALL CHANGE, OKAY, THAT CHANGES SOMETHING ELSE AND IT PUTS IT RIGHT, PUTS US RIGHT BACK IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME SITUATION. I WAS AT THIS ONE QUESTION, JESSICA, DO YOU HAVE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS FROM THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL DRAWINGS? I CAN GET THEM IF YOU GIMME ONE SECOND. YEAH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE THE SAME ONE. SO I'LL JUST NOTE THAT, UM, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THEY'VE COME FOR FINAL APPROVAL. AND THIS WAS PLANS FOR, UM, I JUST OPENED, OH, THIS IS RIGHT. THESE ARE PLANS, UM, THAT WERE APPROVED FOR CONCEPTUAL, BUT THEY HAD REQUESTED FINAL LAST TIME, JUST TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. LET ME DO IT SIDE BY SIDE. HANG ON. SO THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT WAS APPROVED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS, AND ONE OF THOSE WAS TO, UH, COME UP WITH MORE TRADITIONAL PORCH DETAILING. AND SO THE DRAWING ON THE LEFT IS WHAT IS IN WHAT IS SUBMITTED TODAY. THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT IS TODAY'S SUBMISSION. THE DRAWING ON THE LEFT IS THE PREVIOUS REQUEST FOR FINAL APPROVAL THAT WAS APPROVED CONCEPTUALLY. NO, NO, NO ONE ON, NO, NO, NO, NO. IT'S OPPOSITE. NO. THE ONE ON THE LEFT. YES. I'M SORRY. YES. YEAH. YES. WHICH HAS THE PORCH ROOF ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONT FACADE, CORRECT. I'M SORRY, IS BEING PRESENTED TODAY. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT WAS THE PREVIOUS ONE. YES, SIR. PERFECT. NOW WITH, OKAY, THANK YOU. YES. WITH THAT SAID, WHEN WE MADE THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT PORCH, WHAT WE LOST THE GABLE ON THE RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A ONE-ON-ONE WITH, WITH JESSICA BASED ON, YOU KNOW, HER KNOWLEDGE AND WELL, THE GABLE ON THE RIGHT, IT, IT, IT'S CHALLENGING. SO MAYBE GO BACK WITH THE, UM, THE LIEN TO THEIR, UH, ON THE, ON THE LEFT. AND SO THAT WAS A, A MODIFICATION THAT WE MADE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TOOK [03:25:01] FROM JESSICA. YES. SO, SO THIS CONTINUES TO, TO GO ON. AND THAT'S WHY IT, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REFERENCE, WELL, HAVE WE ADDRESSED THE ENTRANCE MASSING? WELL, HOW CAN YOU DO, UH, ADDRESS ONE THING WITHOUT AFFECTING ANOTHER THING? SO, SO STAFF, YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE ONE PRESENTER TODAY ADDRESSES THE PORCH IN THE FRONT MASSING, NOT IN TERMS OF THE GUIDELINES, WHICH IS WHY THAT MOVES FORWARD. THE SORT OF WAY THAT THE PORCH WRAPS ARE ON THE FRONT OF THAT MIDDLE SECTION, I THINK IS AN UNCOMMON PORCH MASSING. UM, AND THEN I THINK ALSO TO, JUST TO CLARIFY TOO, THE PORCH MASSING AND THE OVERALL MA MASSING ARE TWO DIFFERENT, UH, STIPULATIONS ON THERE AS WELL. JUST, I, I FELT LIKE THERE WAS MAYBE SOME OVERLAP IN CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YEAH. UM, CAN YOU CONFIRM YOUR WINDOW PRODUCT SELECTION? UH, I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS STILL A STIPULATION ABOUT THE WINDOW MATERIAL AND IN THE DRAWING SET IT SHOWS SOMETHING, UH, A CLAD WOOD WINDOW, BUT CLAD WITH FABRICS. WHAT IS IT THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE USING? I, I BELIEVE THERE, THERE WOOD CLADDED WITH ALUMINUM, OR IT'S A FABRICS MATERIAL, WHICH IS, UH, MORE SUPERIOR. AND I THINK IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, DURABILITY MM-HMM. THROUGH, THROUGH, UH, ANDERSON DURABILITY WISE THAT THE FABRICS MATERIAL, UH, IS MORE DURABLE. AND DOES THE, DO THE DIMENSIONS OF THE DETAIL, THE SECTION DIMENSIONS AT THE MEETING RAILS, THE SASHES, THE RAILS AND STYLES ABSOLUTELY. MEET THE GUIDELINES, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WE WENT THROUGH, THROUGH THOSE AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PAID ATTENTION TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT. BUT THERE WOULD BE A WOOD WINDOW WITH A CLAD. OKAY. DOES STAFF AGREE WITH THAT? THEY SUBMITTED SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT WINDOWS THAT WERE LIKE A FIBERGLASS CLAD PRODUCT, BUT UM, HAVEN'T YET SHARED THE SPECIFIC PRODUCT. SO WE HAVE LIKE THE GENERAL MANUFACTURER SERIES OF WINDOW TYPES. YEAH. BUT NOT FOR THE SPECIFIC PRODUCT FOR THIS HOUSE. RIGHT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHY IT APPEARS IN THOSE STIPULATIONS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TRY TO CLARIFY THE PLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE RELATIVE TO THE BACK PROPERTY LINE WITHIN THE PACKAGE THAT WE HAVE. IF YOU GO TO, UH, TO PAGE NUMBER 11 IN THE SUBMISSION. OKAY, SO THERE WE HAVE IT WHERE IT'S FIVE FOOT FOUR AND SEVEN SIXTEENTHS. RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT IF WE GO DOWN TO, UM, 14 SHOWS THE SAME THING, BUT THEN WHEN I LOOK AT 20, THERE'S A DIFFERENT PROPORTIONAL RELATIONSHIP THERE. AND WHEN I LOOK AT 22, THAT THAT APPEARS TO BE PRESENTING THE MORE RECENT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ALLOWANCE OF THE UTILITY, UH, EASEMENT THROUGH THERE. CORRECT? YES. AND, AND THAT IS A, A STIPULATION THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET ALL, ALL I'M NEEDING IS I'M NEEDING SOME KIND OF AN EASEMENT FOR UTILITIES. SURE. THAT'S WHAT I'M NEEDING. AND SO IF WE NEED TO, UM, I'M TRYING TO GET CLARITY ON WHAT THE REQUEST IS, AND IF WE LOOK AT 22, THAT SITE PLAN THERE, THAT IS REFLECTING WHAT THE REQUEST IS. CORRECT. UH, IF I CAN STEP IN AS STAFF IS TREATING THIS JUST AS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT IS LABELED. UM, SO WE'RE DEFERRING TO THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS EARLIER IN THE FILE FOR FOOTPRINT, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THIS WAS SUBMITTED AS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS REQUIRED IN PREVIOUS CASES. BUT WHAT I'M SEEING IS AN INCONSISTENCY IN THE DOCUMENTS. 'CAUSE IF YOU GO TO 13, YOU GO TO 1414, THE, THERE'S A A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROPERTY AND THE BUILD IN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND ALL THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT? YES, THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED IS THAT WHEN PREPARING, I, I'D BEEN OUTTA TOWN AND SO WE'RE PREPARED TO COME BACK TO THIS. I STARTED REVIEWING, OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT OUR SETBACKS. LET'S LOOK AT THEN I SAW THE EASEMENT. I'M GOING LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE. SO THIS IS, WE TURNED EVERYTHING IN. AND SO, OKAY, I'M JUST NOW BRINGING THIS TO THE ATTENTION. YEAH, YEAH. AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO LIKE NO, I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET I UNDERSTAND. GET CLARITY ON WHAT WHAT IS THE ASK AND THANK YOU. YEAH. AND, AND PERSONALLY, IF I THROW IN A COMMENTARY RIGHT NOW, UH, I'LL HOLD OFF ON THAT. NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE. CONTINUE CLARIFYING, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU SAID THAT YOU NEEDED TO MOVE THE GARAGE UP THEN ARE YOU THEN LOOKING, BECAUSE YOU DID SHOW [03:30:01] IN YOUR OWN PRESENTATION PACKAGE TODAY, YOU DID SHOW A PLAN. WERE YOU MOVING THE GARAGE FURTHER TO THE FRONT? DOES THAT MEAN YOU MOVING THE HOUSE BACK TOO? NO, NO, NO. THE, THE HOME WOULD STAY EXACTLY WHERE IT'S AT. I JUST NEED TO BRING UTILITIES. AND SO, UM, THAT'S A STIPULATION THAT I, WE ARE TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH TO, TO WORK THROUGH AS FAR AS THE POSITION, ACTUAL POSITION OF THE GARAGE. BUT I JUST NEED UTILITIES. I NEED AN EASEMENT OF SOME KIND TO BRING UTILITIES IN. SO, BUT THE, THE, THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE WOULD STAY WHERE, WHERE IT'S AT. YES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? NO COMMENTS. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IS THAT SITUATION EASEMENT CLEAR THAT IT'S GONNA YEAH. UTILITIES. YES SIR. THANK YOU. SO IT MAY BE THAT, UM, IN A MOTION, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IF THE MOTION INCLUDES, UM, PROVIDING THE CITY REQUIRED EASEMENT DIMENSION AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, FURTHEST EAST AT THE GARAGE COULD MOVE. YEAH, I THINK WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE UPPER DECK. WHAT'S THE MATERIAL FOR THAT? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH SPECIFICATIONS ON THAT, ON FROM A STAFF POINT OF VIEW, THE RAILING, THE COLUMNS? ARE WE GOOD ON THAT? I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED AT D R C THAT THE HORIZONTAL RAILINGS, UM, WERE ACCEPTABLE. UM, I BELIEVE THE PLAN IS FOR THEM TO BE METAL. METAL, METAL, RIGHT? YEAH. METAL. SO THERE'S A LOT OF UNCLARITIES BECAUSE THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE D R C BEFORE CONCEPTUAL, AND THEN WE MAKE THE SMALL CHANGES. AND THEN, UM, IS THERE FENESTRATIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE GARAGE? I FEEL LIKE IN ONE DRAWING THERE WAS, AND THEN NOW THERE'S SOME, THERE'S NOT. SO YOU ONLY PUT THE TWO WINDOWS ON ONE SIDE OF THE GARAGE. SO, SO YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT WITH THE FENESTRATION ON THE GARAGE. AND SO AT ONE D R C MEETING, IT WAS, UM, SUGGESTED THAT WE PUT, UH, JUST IN THE SOUTH ELEVATION RIGHT HERE, THAT WE ADD A WINDOW TO, UH, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DOOR. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING IT FORWARD, UM, THAT MAY ELIMINATE THAT OR RESTRICT THE, THE FENESTRATION ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE, ON THAT PARTICULAR WINDOW. SO, BUT THAT, THAT HAS BEEN, UM, IN CONVERSATION AS FAR AS WHAT DO WE DO THAT WITH THAT? BECAUSE IT WAS SETTING SO FAR BACK TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE HOME THAT IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE ADD SOME KIND OF YEAH, FENESTRATION THERE. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON I GUESS THE EASEMENT. I'M GONNA DO A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. YES, COMMISSIONER. I MEAN, EITHER I JUST KEEP ON THE CONCEPTUAL AND THE STIPULATIONS. I DON'T, OR, UM, I GUESS MY MOTION IS A MOTION TO MOVE IT TO D R C, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO D R C FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION. I WILL SECOND AND A SECOND. OKAY. AND THEN I'M GONNA JUSTIFY THIS. THERE'S A LOT OF STIPULATIONS AND A LOT OF MAYBES. AND IF WE MOVE THE GARAGE AND WHERE'S THE FENESTRATION? AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD A PAST OF JUST WITH THIS CASE WHERE WE CAN JUST SAY, YES, WE'LL APPROVE IT, AND THEN YOU MAKE THE CHANGES AND THEN STAFF IS OKAY WITH IT. SO THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SAID TO YOU BEFORE. IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU MAKE CHANGES BEFORE COMING HERE, SO WE'RE NOT WASTING TIME. AND I THINK IT'S THE THIRD TIME THAT I SAY SO MANY OF THESE MEETINGS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE LIST HAVE BEEN REPEATED BECAUSE IT HAS NOT BEEN, CHANGES ARE NOT CLEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGES OR LIKE I, ARE WE REALLY ON THE SAME? SO WHEN WE, WHEN I SUGGEST THIS D R C, IT'S NOT AN OBLIGATORY. D R C CAN ALSO JUST BE THAT YOU COME BACK TO H D R C, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I MEAN THE FIVE, THE STIPULATIONS ARE THERE AND THEY'RE STILL THERE. I AM OKAY WITH THE FRONT PARKING. I THINK YOU'VE JUSTIFIED IT. I WOULD JUST SEE A FINAL SITE PLAN OF WHERE THE GARAGE IS. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REVISE THE FENESTRATIONS BASED ON THAT FINAL LOCATION OF THE GARAGE. AND I, I AM, I'M STILL, I STILL FEEL LIKE THE MASSING AND THE FRONT ENTRANCE HAS NOT BEEN FULLY ADDRESSED AS YOU KNOW, UM, FOR [03:35:01] THE GUIDELINES, I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, MAY I ADD, I, I SUPPORTED THIS MOTION BECAUSE, UM, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, AND THIS IS ONE DRAWING THAT COULD PROBABLY ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND THAT'S A WALL SECTION. WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAIL OF THE EAVES. A LOT OF THIS, UM, OF THE STYLE OF THIS HOUSE IS ABOUT THIS BROAD ROOF WITH OVERHANGING, UH, EAVES, UM, AS PART OF THE CHARACTER. WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THOSE ARE DETAILED. IS IT A OPEN RAFTER? ARE YOU BOXING THEM IN? UM, AND ALSO WITH YOUR RAKE TRIM OR YOUR FASCIA TRIM IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND THESE ARE THINGS YOU CAN PUT ON A WALL SECTION. THE WALL SECTION WILL HELP ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WINDOWS WINDOW PLACEMENT IN THE WALL, THE TRIMS, AND WHETHER THE WINDOWS YOU'VE SELECTED ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK IN THIS SITUATION. RIGHT? UM, A WALL SECTION WILL ALSO TELL US HOW YOUR BOARD AND BAT AND ON THE SECOND FLOOR MEETS UP WITH YOUR STUCCO ON THE FIRST FLOOR. WHAT KIND OF TRANSITION TRIM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? SO A WINDOWS OR A WALL SECTION OR DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS, MAYBE A COUPLE OF WALL SECTIONS, MAYBE WHERE THERE'S ONE IN THE FRONT WHERE THE PORCH IS, SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS. UM, THOSE COULD ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WAS HOPING TO SEE THIS TIME AROUND. BUT, UM, FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION. SO, SO THEN CAN WE GET SPECIFICS ON, BECAUSE IF THESE DON'T GO AWAY, I MEAN, WELL, JESSICA, I MEAN, YOU, YOU HELPED OUT BY THE STIPULATION HAS BEEN MET. THIS HAS BEEN MET. SO CAN WE NARROW DOWN JUST THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE OF QUESTION? I'VE GOT YOUR, I'VE GOT YOUR THREE SUGGESTIONS HERE. UM, FENESTRATION ON THE BACK GARAGE, IF I CAN GET THOSE DETAILS. THAT WAY WE'RE NOT WASTING TIME EITHER. AND GOING BACK AND CIRCLING BACK THROUGH THE ENTIRE, NO, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, IT'S A FINITE LIST OF ITEMS, UH, CLARIFICATION DRAWINGS THAT THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO, UM, PROCEED WITH THE FINAL APPROVAL AND STAFF NEEDS TO REVIEW. AND I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT SOME OF 'EM ARE JUST STANDARD STIPULATIONS. SO THERE'S ONES, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF THAT ARE GONNA CARRY FORWARD REGARDLESS. UM, BUT I THINK, UH, WE CAN, YOU AND I CAN WORK ON, ON FOUNDATION THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS. ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH ALL THOSE. YEAH, THAT'S NO PROBLEM AT ALL. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. SAVINO AYE REGARD? AYE. MOOKA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? NO. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH, THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 30. FORGOT THAT. OKAY, WE'LL THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 30 H D R C CASE 2023 DASH 2 51. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A NINE FOOT TALL MONUMENT SIGN AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A MONUMENT SIGN BASED ON THE FIND ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCE THE SIZE, UM, REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE PRO PROPOSED MONUMENT, SIGNED TO SIX FEET IN HEIGHT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDING B UPDATED SIGN SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF CER OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, PLEASE NOTE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY FINDINGS, UH, A AND B. THERE IS A TYPO. THERE IS NO GHOST FINDING C. AND THE APPLICANT, UM, IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE. ARE THEY VIRTUAL? NO, HE, HE'S, WE DON'T HAVE HIM. AND YOU TRIED TO REACH OUT DURING THE HEARING AND WE DIDN'T. THAT'S CORRECT. I DID TRY TO REACH OUT. OKAY. AND CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE? MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, IN LIGHT OF THE APPLICANT NOT BEING PRESENT, I, I MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE SECOND. I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. SAVINO? AYE. BRI REGARD? [03:40:02] AYE. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 31. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 31 H D R C CASE 2023 DASH 2 43. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE RE REMOVE AND INFILL TWO WINDOW OPENINGS ON A NORTH REAR ELEVATION. TWO. REUSE THE TWO WINDOWS FROM THE NORTH REAR ELEVATION FROM THE FRONT FACADE. THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS AT THIS LOCATION WILL BE RESIZED TO BE NARROW IN ORDER TO FIT THE RECLAIMED WINDOWS THREE. RELOCATE AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW FROM ONE WINDOW FROM THE EAST ELEVATION. FOUR REUSE ON THE NORTH REAR ELEVATION. THE DRAWINGS ALSO DEPICT FENESTRATION CHANGES TO THE SECOND FLOOR BALCONY OPENINGS ON THE FRONT FACADE. THIS ALTERATION IS NOT BEING INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST. UM, ITEM ONE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INFILL OF THE TWO GANGED WINDOWS ON THE REAR ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE REMOVED WINDOWS ARE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE. ITEM TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REUSE OF THE SALVAGED WINDOWS ON FROM THE REAR ADDITION ON THE FRONT FACADE BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT SALVAGED A SALVAGED OR NEW WINDOW THAT FITS THE EXISTING OPENING BE USED INSTEAD, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THAT THE EXISTING OPENING BE MODIFIED. AND ITEM THREE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVE OF THE INFILL OF ONE WINDOW ON THE EAST ELEVATION. BASED ON FINDING D THE EXISTING WINDOW AND WINDOW OPENING SHOULD BE RETAINED. THE INSTALLATION OF A SASH WOOD WINDOW IN THE OPENING NUMBER 29 WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE APPLICANT AND HOMEOWNER, UM, HAVE AGREED TO ITEMS ONE AND THREE. SO WE'RE JUST HERE TO DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER TWO AND THE HOMEOWNER, GLADYS IS HERE IN PERSON. OKAY. UH, HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TODAY. UM, I'LL FOLLOW THIS, THIS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT ITEMS, UH, NUMBER ONE AND, AND REGARDING, UH, THE ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO USE, UH, THE WINDOWS THAT WE WILL REMOVE ON THE BACK OF THE REAR PART OF THE HOUSE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP LIKE THE SAME DESIGN, THE SAME STRUCTURE. WE WON'T LIKE, UH, DO ANY DEMOLITION. WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE STRUCTURE AND PRESERVE LIKE THE, UM, YES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF, SO THOSE WINDOWS THE ACTUAL OPENING, IT'S FOR, IT'S BIG AND IT'S FOR LIKE A DOOR AND WE WILL LIKE TO USE. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT THOSE OPENINGS ARE PREPARED FOR A DOOR, NOT FOR A WINDOW. SO I'M REALLY WORKING AND TRYING TO PRESERVE THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S INCONVENIENCE FOR ME FOR THE COST, UH, TO BUY A, LIKE A NEW WINDOWS. AND I WILL APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION TO APPROVE AND APPROVE TO USE THE EXISTING WINDOWS. UM, THEY'RE ALMOST THE SAME, THE SAME SIZE OF THE FRONT FT OF THE WINDOWS OF MY NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE, ON THE FOUR 17 EVERGREEN. SO I WOULD LIKE JUST TO HAVE ALL THE WINDOWS WITH THE SAME DESIGN AND THE STRUCTURE, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANY VOICEMAILS? YES, MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER. I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN TOBIN HILL. UH, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 31 4 1 1 EAST EVERGREEN. THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE WAS APPROACHED BY THE OWNER CONCERNING REHAB OF THIS PROPERTY. WE APPRECIATE THAT SHE'S WORKING TO RECLAIM ONE OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN TOBIN HILL. WITH THAT IN MIND, WE BELIEVE THAT THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING SHOULD BE RETURNED TO ITS ORIGINAL APPEARANCE AND THIS ALSO APPLIES TO OTHER PARTS OF THE FACADE. WINDOW OPENINGS SHOULD NOT BE MODIFIED TO FIT DIFFERENT WINDOWS, EVEN IF THOSE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN SALVAGED. WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. WE ASK THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ONE AND INSTRUCT STAFF TO WORK WITH THE OWNER ON ITEMS NUMBER TWO AND THREE. AS ALWAYS, WE THANK THE H C R C FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION OF THIS STATEMENT. CLAUDIA, CAN YOU PUT A PHOTO OF THE FRONT FACE ON, ON THE SCREEN? UM, AND I GUESS ZOOM IN SO WE CAN SEE THIS OPENING. SO THE ISSUE IS THAT [03:45:01] WE BELIEVE, EVEN THOUGH ONE OF THE OPENINGS ON THE FIRST FLOOR HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO A SECONDARY ENTRANCE AT SOME POINT WE BELIEVE THAT THOSE ARE, WERE ORIGINALLY JUST LARGE WINDOWS. THEY WERE ORIGINALLY THAT WIDE. AND SO OUR CONCERN IS THAT USING THE SALVAGE WINDOWS FROM THE REAR WOULD REDUCE THAT OPENING. AND SO, UM, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO INSTALLING NEW WINDOWS THERE. UM, OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS JUST THAT THOSE OPENING WITS BE RETAINED. DO WE HAVE DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING OPENINGS AND THEN THE EXISTING OF THE PROPOSED SALVAGE WINDOWS? YES, I THINK WE HAVE. I THINK SO. I'M GONNA DOUBLE CHECK THESE, UM, EXHIBITS. YEAH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IF I CAN JUST MAKE THIS COMMENT IS THAT IT'S, IT'S BIG, IT'S BIGGER, LIKE THE NORMAL WINDOW IS JUST FOR A DOOR. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT, IT'S THE PRINCIPAL UNIT THAT I'M PLANNING TO LIVE IN AND THAT WILL BE THE RIGHT SIDE. MY, UM, YEAH, MY LIVING ROOM. SO I DON'T, I, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST KEEP LIKE, PRIVACY OF THAT PLACE. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT ALSO FOR MY SAFETY. MR. CHAIR. I, I, YEAH. COMMISSIONER I HAD, I THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUE I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, WHETHER THERE WAS ANY IMAGES OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. NO, I DON'T HAVE A NO, BECAUSE TO ME IT SEEMS A LITTLE ODD THAT THAT CENTRAL AREA UPSTAIRS WOULD JUST BE WALL. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE SOME GRAND WINDOW OR A DOOR. JUST A QUESTION. THE OPENING IS USED TO BE FOR A DOOR BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST SEE FROM THE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE OVER THERE YET. SO THAT'S THE ACTUAL, NO, THAT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR. THAT'S ONE I WAS REFERRING TO UPSTAIRS. OH, TO UPSTAIRS. . SO THE SECOND FLOOR IS NOT HERE FOR CONSIDERATION TODAY. WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON THAT FRONT FLOOR. , THAT FRONT FLOOR OPENING. THAT'S GONNA BE MY QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT FOR CONSIDERATION. ARE YOU PLANNING ON JUST RETAINING THAT? I MEAN, I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THE UPSTAIRS WINDOWS? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL KEEP LIKE THE TWO DOORS ON THE PORCH OF THE SECOND FLOOR SO I CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THAT. UM, HER ARCHITECT ACTUALLY DID SEND OVER PLANS TO RETAIN THAT OPENING WITH THE SIDELIGHTS AND THE TRANSOM. THAT'S, UM, THERE RIGHT NOW. YEAH, WE'LL USE SOME DOORS. ONE DOOR OR FOR UPSTAIRS, CLAUDIA, UH, FOR UPSTAIRS. AND THEN THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S DOWNSTAIRS IS NOT TO BE TOUCHED. THEY ARE GOING TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL DECORATIVE ELEMENTS. YOU SAYING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE TOUCHED. YOU SAYING UPSTAIRS IS GONNA BE DOORS WITH WINDOWS TO EACH SIDE? YES. A TRANSAM UP ON TOP AND THEN THE TWO SIDE LIGHTS, THAT'S THE CURRENT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY, WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO FILL THOSE CURRENT OPENINGS. OKAY. AND SO THAT WILL ALSO KIND OF MATCH IN SIZE, SIZE WITH WHAT'S DOWN THERE. 'CAUSE I CAN SEE LIKE THAT WINDOW IS KIND OF ALIGNED. YEAH, THEY SORT OF ALIGN ON THE OUTERMOST EDGES ON THE OUTER. SO THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE WHEN YOU PUT THOSE WINDOWS FROM THE REAR HERE. 'CAUSE THEN THEY'LL BE BE CENTERED IN THE COLUMNS, BUT THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE ALIGNED WITH ON THE OUTER YEAH. OR PLAN IS JUST TO KEEP THEM LIKE ON THE MIDDLE. AH, SORRY. OR PLAN IS JUST TO KEEP THEM LIKE ON THE MIDDLE. WELL THAT DRAWING REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE FRONT, THESE DOORS ARE NOT REALLY CENTERED BETWEEN THE COLUMNS. CORRECT. THIS, THIS DRAWING DOES NOT HAVE ALL OF THE DETAILS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT. I KNOW. SO WE, I HAVE SEEN AN UPDATED DRAWING THAT SHOWS WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR THE TOP FLOOR. UM, BUT YEAH, I AGREE IT'S CONFUSING. SO THAT'S PROBLEM IS THIS IS NOT WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ALIGNED WITH THOSE DOORS UPSTAIRS. SO WHEN YOU USE THOSE WINDOWS FROM THE REAR, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE CENTERED TO ONE OF THE SIDELIGHTS BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT DIMENSION. SO I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THIS ONE JUST BECAUSE WE WANNA KEEP THE ORIGINAL DIMENSIONS. BUT I GUESS WE STILL HAVE ONE ANSWER TO GET ANSWERED, WHICH IS, WAS THE DIMENSIONS THE DIFFERENCE IN DIMENSIONS? I THINK I HAVE THE, I DIDN'T FIND THE DIMENSIONS. I THOUGHT I HAD 'EM IN HERE. OKAY. I HAD THE LAST, THE SIDE PLAN, THE LAST ONE WE DIDN'T. NO. WITH THIS, NO. OKAY. OKAY. MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SO QUESTION FOR YOU MA'AM. UM, YOU MENTIONED A FEW MOMENTS AGO THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE, UM, THE OPENING THERE SO YOU COULD BRING THE WINDOWS FROM THE BACK UP TO THE FRONT BECAUSE YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY. HOW DOES CHANGING [03:50:01] THE WINDOW HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH KEEPING PRIVACY? I MEAN, 'CAUSE IF THE, UM, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE WINDOWS, THE OPENING THERE HAD A LARGE WINDOW THERE. SO HOW DOES THAT CHANGE PRIVACY FOR YOU? THE OPENING ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS FOR LIKE A DOOR IS NOT FOR A WINDOW. THE LEFT SIDE IS A, IT'S ACTUALLY A ROOM OR IT WILL BE A GUEST ROOM. AND I THINK IT'S JUST KEEPING THAT, THAT SMALLER. IT WILL JUST HELP AND JUST KEEP MORE PRIVACY FOR ME. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A, A DOOR OVER THERE AND WE DON'T NEED THAT. SO THAT'S THE REASON. AND ACTUALLY I, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP LIKE THE SAME DESIGN AND THE SAME WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE. IT'S BEING DIFFICULT. I'M SPENDING A A LOT OF MONEY AND EVERYTHING. SO IF WE CAN USE THAT, I WILL APPRECIATE LIKE THE SUPPORT OF THE, UH, A DOOR IS NOT, IS NOT IN QUESTION HERE AS FAR, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU ARE SAYING THAT A DOOR IS THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IS BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN THERE. AND THEN YOU HAVE NO, THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW WHAT WAS ACTUALLY THERE, BUT SO YOU BELIEVE THERE WAS A WINDOW THERE? SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT I, I'M JUST NOT GRASPING WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRIVACY THERE, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I'LL, I'LL, UM, LEAVE OTHER QUESTIONS TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU WERE COMING FROM WITH THAT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. CHAIR? YES. OH, I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER, GOVERNOR. UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION TO STAFF. HAVE YOU ALL DONE ANY, UM, RESEARCH ON THIS PROPERTY TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY PHOTOGRAPHIC DOCUMENTATION OR ANY PREVIOUS SURVEYS THAT MAY HAVE CAUGHT SOMETHING? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT UNDERTAKING, RIGHT? I, I APPRECIATE YOU'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO, TO DO THIS, RIGHT? DON'T YOU WANNA DO IT RIGHT? AND DON'T YOU WANNA PUT IN WINDOWS THAT ARE APPROPRIATELY PROPORTIONED FOR THAT FRONT RATHER THAN IT'S LIKE PUTTING LIKE TOO SMALL A HAT OR TOO SMALL A GLASSES ON THE FACE OF THIS BUILDING. YEAH, AND I'M TRYING JUST TO DO THIS THE BEST I CAN. I'M JUST REWARDING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. RIGHT? WE ARE WORKING ON THE FOUNDATION. WE ALREADY FINISHED, SO WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING FROM LIKE ZERO. SO HAS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, OR YOU, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY, THIS DESERVES MAYBE A LITTLE DIGGING INTO THE NEWSPAPER ARCHIVES, SEEING WHAT YOU CAN FIND. CLAUDIA, DO YOU HAVE ANY? YES. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER. UH, I'VE DONE MULTIPLE SITE VISITS WITH THE APP, WITH THE HOMEOWNER. UM, WE'VE EVEN WALKED THE, ALL THAT WHOLE EVERGREEN. WE'VE WALKED DOWN, I'VE EXPLAINED TO HER, UM, THE PROCESS AND I'VE SHOWED HER OTHER HOUSES THAT HAVE THIS SIMILAR FACE, ALL THAT JAZZ. AND SHE HAS BEEN WORKING WELL WITH ME. THIS IS THE ONLY THING SHE JUST REALLY WASN'T WILLING TO BEND ON. AND SHE UNDERSTANDS AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE SHOWED HER ALL THE EVIDENCE. UM, SHE'S BEEN REALLY GREAT TO WORK WITH. UM, IT'S JUST THIS, THIS ONE THING SHE'S NOT BUDGING ON. SO WE BOTH HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS AND SHE'S AWARE. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND ANOTHER THING JUST TO MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT AND PICKING UP ON MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S, UH, COMMENT ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW OF PRIVACY. REMEMBER HISTORICALLY THESE WINDOWS WOULD'VE BEEN VERY LARGE ON THE FRONT BECAUSE THOSE WOULD'VE BEEN THE MOST PUBLIC ROOMS THAT THEY WOULD'VE ALLOWED PEOPLE TO COME IN AND UPSTAIRS WOULD BE RESERVED TO THE FAMILY. RIGHT BACK WOULD BE RESERVED TO THE SERVANTS. BUT THESE WOULD BE THE PARLOR ROOMS, RIGHT? AND IT'S JUST LIKE LANDSCAPE AND A FENCE WHERE YOU HAVE LAYERS, YOU KNOW, HERE IN THE WINDOW LIKE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE LAYERS, CURTAINS, SHEARS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CAN GIVE YOU THAT SENSE OF PSYCHOLOGICAL PRIVACY, BUT GET THE PROPER PROPORTION, THE RIGHT SIZE OF WINDOW FOR THIS BIG GRAND HOUSE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. YEAH. AND I REALLY UNDERSTAND, AND I DID MY RESEARCH AND I WAS WALKING LIKE TO THE, THE STREET AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ACCESS TO GOOGLE MAPS AND THIS, JUST TO SHOW YOU THE, THE, UH, NEXT HOU, LIKE THE, MY NEIGHBOR NEXT HOUSE IS FOUR 17 EAST EVERGREEN. UM, AND THEN ACTUALLY WE HAD A, A WINDOWS LIKE ON THAT THE SAME UH, LIVING ROOM ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THEY'RE LIKE BIG AND THEY'RE LIKE SUPER PRETTY. I'M TRYING TO JUST KEEP PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING. UH, WE, WE ARE WORKING LIKE ON THE, THE FLOORS AND EVERYTHING. IF I CAN JUST PRESERVE AND, AND JUST TAKE SOMETHING. AND I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT JUST TO FIND, UM, LIKE THAT SPECIFIC SIZE OF WINDOW. THAT'S A VERY BIG CHALLENGE. UM, THEN JUST TO FIND TWO OF THEM, I'M JUST BEING LIKE REALISTIC WITH, I'M GONNA DO A MOTION SITUATION. UH, WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER ANTES. YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. ACTUALLY TWO QUESTIONS. IT'S FOR STAFF. WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW THAT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE FRONT? IS IT THE ONE ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT THE DOOR, IT'S ON THE RIGHT. SO I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS ARE GUESSING THAT THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE ORIGINAL WINDOW AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE. YES. BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE PRETTY SIMILAR, RIGHT? RIGHT, EXACTLY. EXCEPT ONE DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO, OKAY, SO THEN WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THAT WINDOW OPENING IN FEET COM AND THEN [03:55:01] WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW IN THE BACK IF SHE WANTS TO USE IN FEET? THAT WAS A QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WAS NOT ABLE TO BE ANSWERED. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. BUT I BELIEVE IT NARROWER NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE THAN THE OPENINGS IN THE FRONT. MM-HMM. . YES. OKAY, SO AGAIN, I'M ASKING IT SO, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR IT EARLIER AND SO EMPHASIS STOMP THE FOOT, GO FIND IT. WELL, I'M GONNA DO A MOTION IN NINE 11, COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO I FEEL LIKE, WAIT, LET'S APPROVE ITEM ONE AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. AND THEN I THINK I RECOMMEND TO YOU, WE TABLE TWO UNTIL YOU COME BACK WITH SPECIFICATIONS ON THE MEASUREMENTS. I'LL FOLLOW YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU WANNA DENY, I MEAN, I JUST, I MEAN I THINK THAT THAT WOULD HELP US MAKE THE DECISION. AND, AND ANOTHER STIPULATION I WOULD ADD IS IF WE CAN SEE A PLAN OF HOW THOSE WINDOWS GONNA BE ALIGNED WITH THE UPSTAIRS. LIKE A REAL THING. YEAH, I HAVE THE, THE NEWEST, UH, I THINK THE NEWEST PLAN IT'S IN HERE. IT'S THE LAST ONE, BUT THAT WAS A MOTION. YEAH. SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. I SECOND. OKAY. BUT I'LL, I'LL APPRECIATE IF I CAN JUST, I'LL FOLLOW YOUR INSTRUCTIONS IF YOU SAY NO TO THOSE. I DON'T WANT TO JUST, UM, YEAH. YEP. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN JUST CONTINUE ON WITH THE, I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT SUGGESTION BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN ITEM THAT REQUIRES MORE INVESTIGATION AND MORE CONSIDERATION AND A DRAWING THAT SHOWS ACCURATELY WHAT THE FINAL PRODUCT IS GOING TO BE, WHAT THE FINAL LOOK IS GOING TO BE. AND THERE ARE PLACES THROUGHOUT A PROJECT LIKE THIS THAT ARE VERY BIG THAT YOU HAVE TO SAVE MONEY ON. THERE'S OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU GOTTA SPEND IT. YEAH. AND THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. AT THIS ONE. I I JUST WANT TO KNOW LIKE THE INSTRUCTIONS AND THEN WHERE CAN I FIND THE CORRECT WINDOWS AND I'LL JUST BUY THEM. I DON'T WANT TO JUST WAIT LIKE ANOTHER MONTH. SO THIS DRAWING IS REALLY NOT IN THE PACKAGE. RIGHT. AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC SAKE, LET ME JUST ASK YOU JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE UPSTAIRS MM-HMM. , IT'S DOORS WITH TRANSOM ALL THE WAY DOWN. SO YOU'RE ALSO MODIFYING THE TRIM, THE, SO IS IT GONNA BE ALL THE WAY DOWN OR IS IT GONNA BE FOR THE SIDELINES? THAT'S MM-HMM. . YEAH, IT'S SIDE CHAIR. ARE WE DOING A ROLL CALL, MR. CHAIR? SORRY, THE SIDELIGHTS. ARE WE DOING A ROLL CALL MR. CHAIR? WE'RE WE'RE DOING QUESTION AND COMMENTS. WE'RE WE'RE IN DISCUSSION COMMENTS? OKAY, GOT IT. SO THAT'S, IS THAT GOING 'CAUSE ACCORDING TO THIS. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO NOW YOU'RE MODIFYING THAT TOO. SO THAT'S THE LAST ONE. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? WAS, WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, IT LOOKED LIKE THE PHOTOGRAPHS AT THE WINDOWS TO EITHER SIDE OF THE DOORS ON THE SECOND FLOOR DID NOT GO TO THE FLOOR. YEAH, I, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE WIDTH THAT WAS THERE AND I THINK THE MOTION STANDS AS IT IS. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ROLL CALL PLEASE. UM, OH, EXCUSE ME. I HAVE A COMMENT. MY KITCHEN. YES. UM, APOLOGIES. COULD, COULD YOU JUST REPEAT THE MOTION? I KNOW IT WAS TO APPROVE ONE AND THREE AND I THINK TABLE NUMBER TWO AND THEN AN ADDED STIPULATION. BUT CAN THE MOTION JUST BE READ AGAIN? YES. UH, ITEM ONE AND THREE AND THEN, UM, LET'S SEE, CONTINUANCE OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. UH, ITEM ON ONE AND THREE. WE STAFF STIPULATIONS CONTINUANCE ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. AND THEN I ADDED THE FOUR STIPULATION TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EXACT MEASUREMENTS OF THE WINDOWS THAT'LL BE REUSED AND THE OPENINGS. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I THINK WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. SAVINO. AYE. BRI REGARD? AYE. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GRO. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND FINALLY, AGENDA ITEM 32. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU. WE OUGHT TO HAVE A SPECIAL PRIZE FOR THE VERY LAST FEE. THEY HAVE TO SIT THROUGH ALL THE OTHER CASES, I CAN'T BELIEVE, BUT WE HAVE BOTTLED WATER OVER HERE AND SOME, MAYBE SOME MUNCHIES LIKE ONCE A MONTH. ONCE A MONTH. WELL, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 32 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 65. ADDRESS IS TWO UH, 2119 NORTH INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35. [04:00:01] THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL TWO ROOF MOUNTED SIGNS USING ACRYLIC INTERNAL ILLUMINATION AND MEASURE 35.8 INCHES OR SQUARE FEET. EACH STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THEIR REQUESTS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F. BASED ON FINDINGS, A THROUGH F STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A PA SIGNAGE PACKAGE FOR THE PROPERTY THAT INCORPORATES DURABLE MATERIALS, EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION, REDUCE THE TOTAL SIZE OF THE SIGNAGE, AND NOT TO MOUNT THE SIGNS ON THE ROOF. UM, THE BUSINESS OWNER, ANNA DOMAN AND THE SIGNAGE COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE ROBERT BAZAR ARE HERE IN PERSON. THERE'S ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. THERE'S ALSO ONE, UH, FILE IN THE LATE SUBMISSIONS FILE, UM, WHICH IS ALSO THE PRESENTATION THAT, UM, WILL BE USED AS WELL. IT'S FREDDY, RIGHT? SO I'M ANNA DORTMUND, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY MY HUSBAND, MARK GORTMAN. THE SIGN GUY HAD TO LEAVE. UM, WE ARE THE NEW OWNER SLASH LEASERS OF 2119, UH, NORTH IH 35. WE'RE ALL NEW TO SIGNAGE HERE BECAUSE WE HAD LATUNA GRILL FOR 19 YEARS AND DIDN'T HAVE A SIGN. SO THIS IS NEW TO US. THE SIGN THAT WE'RE ASKING ABOUT IS ON IT'S EXISTING RIGHT NOW ON THE BUILDING. ALL THEY'RE GONNA DO IS CHANGE THE 88 SEIA TO THE RIDGE AT THE HILL. AND IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY MOUNTED AND UM, AND LIT AND IT HAS BEEN, UH, APPROVED. AND ALL WE DO IS WANNA THE SAME COMPANY THAT PUT THE SIGN UP IS GONNA CHANGE THE LETTERING TO OUR NAME. IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME SIZE, SAME MOUNTING, SAME EVERYTHING. SAME FONT. SAME FONT, YES. IT WAS APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT HILL ASSOCIATION, NOT BY . OKAY. AND COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY LIKE, NORMALLY SIGNS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A REFACE AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. HOWEVER, THE SIGN THAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE IS A VIOLATION. SO WE STILL NEED TO RECONCILE THAT WE APPROVED IT. NO, UH, NO. THE GOVERNMENT HILL LOOK UNDER THE, THE CASE HISTORY, UH, WE APPROVED, UH, REVISIONS TO THIS SIGN REMOVAL OF THE, THE RED PART THAT SAYS FOOD, DRINKS, SPORTS AND MUSIC, AND THEN TO LOWER THE, THE SIGN. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. MM-HMM. , WERE YOU THE OWNERS, UH, WERE THEY THE OWNERS FOR THE PREVIOUS? NO. NO. SO THE PREVIOUS OWNERS, IF THAT WAS APPROVED, THEY NEVER, I GUESS FOLLOWED UP WITH IT. THEY NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH THE, UH, AND THE ONLY REASON WE WANTED TO KEEP IT THE RED WAS IT WAS LESS MONEY TO TO LEAVE IT THAN BRING IT DOWN. OH. BUT WE'LL BE WILLING IF THE SIGN PEOPLE ARE GONNA KEEP THE SAME PRICE TO BRING DOWN THE RED. IT WASN'T A BIG ISSUE. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY VISIBLE SIGNAGE ON 35 BEING BLOCKED BY SONIC AND THE RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT DOOR, BEST WESTERN. THE SONIC HAS A HUGE SIGN AND SO DOES THE, UH, HOTEL RIGHT NEXT, RIGHT NEXT TO US. YOU CAN, THEY CAN SEE IT. SO IT BLOCKS OUR BEAUTIFUL HOUSE THAT'S NOT OURS, BUT OUR LANDLORD IS ALSO ONLINE AND IT'S HIS AND IT'S A, IT'S A HISTORICAL HOUSE AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I'LL DO THE MOTION, MR. CHAIR, IF THERE'S NORMAL QUESTION, UH, ANY QUESTIONS. HE SUGGESTED YOU MAKE A VISIT OUT THERE AND, AND, AND LOOK AT IT YOURSELVES AND, AND SEE HOW, HOW IT'S NOT VERY BIG AT ALL. THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE MY QUESTION IS HOW, HOW DOES IT LOOK COMPARED TO THE OTHER SIGNS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, WHICH ARE NOT CAPTURED IN ANY OF THE PICTURES? IT'S TINY. I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S, AND I GUESS WHEN YOU SAID TO BRING IT DOWN FOR THE OTHER, THE OTHER RESTAURANT, YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT. SEE IT. YEAH. IT'S NOT VERY BIG AT ALL. I'M GONNA DO A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO I'M GONNA ACCEPT THE PRES, I MEAN, UH, APPROVE WHAT AS THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED AND I'M GONNA SAY WHY THANK YOU. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. UM, I MEAN, THERE'S TWO THINGS. THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS ACTUALLY IN SUPPORT. THERE'S A LETTER IN THERE. TWO IS YES, THERE'S A VIOLATION. YOU'RE REALLY NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. SO WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THIS AS CASE BY CASE, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS KIND OF LIKE A, JUST YOU'RE REMOVING THE EIGHT EIGHT, YOU'RE ADDING, REMOVING THE SIA AND THEN YOU'RE DOING THAT NOT REMOVING ANYTHING ELSE OR ADDING ANYTHING ELSE. EXACTLY. UM, I WOULD SAY IT'S LIKE, IT'S A VIOLATION THAT'S JUST GONNA GO PAST YOU AS WELL. LIKE IT'S GONNA FOLLOW YOU. UM, I DO AGREE. IT'S THE LOCATION THAT ALSO MAKES ME, YOU KNOW, GO THAT WAY. IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE. UM, IT'S ON 35, SO I MEAN, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS [04:05:01] SPECIFICALLY ALSO BECAUSE OF THEIR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE REALLY FEEL WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THAT, UH, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT AREA TOO. , ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO, NAYYY BRI REGARD. I'M GONNA ABSTAIN ON THIS ONE. OKAY. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR S STEPPING IN COMMISSIONER ARD AND UH, WELCOME TO THE TEAM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR WELCOME . THANKS. THANK YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.