* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] SO [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 2ND, 2023. RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BRIEFING ON THE PROPOSED, UH, DISTRICT SPECIFIC GUIDE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR RIVER ROAD. NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN. AND, UM, WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE, UH, COMMISSIONER BAKER TO SHOW UP HERE. SO WE'LL START WITH THAT BRIEFING. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL SAID. UM, SO I'M CORY EDWARDS. I'M DEPUTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR O H P. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? I DON'T, CAN WE GET THE VOLUME? THERE WE GO. UM, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A BRIEFING OF INCOMING DISTRICT SPECIFIC GUIDELINES FOR THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY ACTION TODAY. THIS IS JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. UM, WE WILL MAKE THE DRAFT GUIDELINES AVAILABLE TO YOU PRIOR TO ACTION. UM, WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT WE WILL REQUEST ACTION ON THIS ITEM AT THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. UM, I DON'T HAVE MY CALENDAR PULLED UP, BUT, AND NOT NEXT MEETING, BUT THE ONE AFTER THAT. UM, CAN YOU GO TO FULL SCREEN ? OKAY. WE'RE WORKING THAT OUT. AND THEN LET ME ALSO INTRODUCE A FEW MEMBERS FROM THE COMMITTEE, FROM THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT WORK TO PULL THESE TOGETHER. UM, WE HAVE PATRICIA PRT, BARBARA WOOD, HOW JIMMY KENNEDY AND MIMI NIA, WHO ALL HAVE DEDICATED HOURS UPON HOURS, UPON HOURS, UM, TO THIS EFFORT. SO WE THANK THEM FOR THEIR EFFORTS. AND, UM, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ADDRESS IN THIS PRESENTATION, THEN IT ALSO HERE TO ADDRESS THOSE, YOU CAN'T LINK THIS FULL SCREEN . OH, WE HAD TO DO MULTIFACTOR VERIFICATION, SO , ONE MOMENT. OH, THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO QUICK OVERVIEW ABOUT THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. UM, THEY ARE, THE U D C GIVES CRITERIA FOR HOW YOU ARE TO REVIEW REQUESTS FOR C FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE CITY, THE CITYWIDE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE THE PRIMARY CRITERIA FOR WHICH YOU WOULD EVALUATE APPLICATIONS. UM, THOSE APPLY TO ANY HISTORIC PROPERTIES. SO WHETHER IT'S IN KING WILLIAM MONTE VISTA RIVER ROAD, OR IF IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK, AS THE SAME SET OF GUIDELINES TO APPLY THOSE CITYWIDE PROVISIONS ALLOW FOR THE H C R C AND CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT DISTRICT SPECIFIC GUIDELINES, KIND OF AS, UH, AN AMENDMENT, UM, TO THE CITYWIDE PROVISIONS. THEY'RE MEANT TO PROVIDE FOR A HIGHER LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY, UM, AND RESPOND TO MORE DISTRICT SPECIFIC CONDITIONS DEPENDING ON, UM, THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BEGAN DEVELOPMENT AT THESE GUIDELINES, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO AT THIS POINT IN 2019, UH, PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC. EDWARD, CAN YOU HIT NEXT SLIDE? IT'S CRAZY. OKAY. UM, AND SO WHAT THE GUIDELINES WILL DO ARE ESTABLISH NEW PRIORITIES AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES SPECIFIC TO RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOODS, EXCUSE ME, RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND ALSO REALLY AS A, UM, AN ADVANTAGE TO RESIDENTS IN RIVER ROAD. THEY NOW HAVE MUCH CLEARER GUIDANCE AND KNOW WHAT TO ANTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. UM, IT'LL ELABORATE ON THE SPECIFIC HISTORIC CONTEXT AND CHARACTER OF RIVER ROAD, UM, AND PROVIDE MORE CONCISE GUIDANCE ON IMPORTANT ISSUES LIKE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. AND SO, YOU KNOW THAT WE REVIEW NEW CONSTRUCTION CASES ALL THE TIME. UM, THEY ARE INTENDED TO RESPOND TO THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, BECAUSE THIS DOCUMENT NOW IS MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN RIVER ROAD, AND ALSO PROVIDES CLEAR GUIDANCE FOR WHAT BUILDING HEIGHT AND SHAPE AND FORM SHOULD LOOK LIKE, THIS IS NOW A STRONGER DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN APPLY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, KIND OF A TIMELINE OF THE PROJECT, THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAME A HISTORIC DISTRICT IN 2010 BY COUNCIL ORDINANCE. UM, AND THERE WAS INITIAL EFFORT AT THAT TIME TO DEVELOP DISTRICT SPECIFIC GUIDELINES. DISTRICTS WERE ENCOURAGED TO DO THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT MANY DID. UM, UH, IN 2014, THERE WAS A RENEWED EFFORT DUE TO CONCERN ABOUT INCREASED DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES LIKE MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EXPERIENCING. UM, IN 2019, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS INITIATIVE. UM, THEY CONSULTED WITH MYSELF, AND THEN I BELIEVE ALSO WITH YOU ALL ABOUT KIND OF WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS. ALL R F P SUBMITTED, UH, ISSUED BY THE, BY THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION. UM, AND THEN, UM, A MULTI [00:05:01] MULTIPLE FIRMS WERE IDENTIFIED, UM, IN THAT PROCESS. UM, EVENTUALLY IN 2020 H H M AND ASSOCI ASSOCIATES, WHICH IS A CULTURAL RESOURCES FIRM, UM, WAS SELECTED. UM, AND THE PROJECT KIND OF KICKED OFF. UM, WITHIN A COUPLE YEARS, THERE WAS A FIRST DRAFT THAT WAS CIRCULATED. UM, CITY STAFF PROVIDED FEEDBACK AS WELL AS MEMBERS WITHIN THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION, UM, AND RESIDENTS. UM, THOSE, THAT FEEDBACK WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE FIRST DRAFT AND THE SECOND DRAFT WAS CREATED. UM, AND THEN THIS YEAR, UM, KIND OF COMPILING ALL THOSE DRAFTS. WE HAVE A FINAL DOCUMENT THAT'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS. UM, AND THEN I THINK THE, THE SLIDE PROBABLY SAYS IT BETTER, BUT THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE, UM, UH, MOMENTS OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. UM, MULTIPLE REPORTS TO THE BOARD, UM, AS WELL AS SPECIAL MEETINGS AND ANNUAL MEETINGS AT THE ASSOCIATION. UM, AND THEN MULTIPLE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR INPUT IN THE PROCESS. AND SO THERE WERE, UM, AND FEEL FREE TO STAND UP AND ADD ANY SORT OF, UM, DETAILS YOU WANT TO ADD, BUT I BELIEVE YOU HAD INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS AT PEOPLE'S HOUSES SO THAT JEFF WOULD REALLY SIT DOWN AND KIND OF HASH THINGS OUT. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CERTAINLY RECOMMENDED, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY WERE KIND OF LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON WHAT THIS SHOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, WE REALLY WANTED TO OPEN AS MUCH COMMUNICATION AS POSSIBLE IN THE PROCESS. UM, AND THEN, SO THE PROJECT WAS FUNDED BY RIVER ROAD, BUT THEN ALSO THROUGH VARIOUS GRANTS FROM THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION HAS A GRANT PROCESS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THROUGH OUR OFFICE. UM, THE SUMMER LEE FOUNDATION, UM, IN DALLAS, AND THEN THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY HERE LOCALLY. UM, SO THE NEXT STEPS, UM, TODAY IS THE BRIEFING. UM, WE WILL SHARE THE DRAFT WITH YOU, UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE IT AVAILABLE. UM, WE WILL BE SEEKING H D R C ACTION, A RECOMMENDATION ON SEPTEMBER 6TH. UM, BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, A, A REGULATORY DOCUMENT. WE'LL BE USING IT FOR EVALUATING REQUESTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S GONNA FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS AS ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT CODE PROCESS WOULD FOLLOW. AND SO IT'S ALSO GONNA GO TO ZONING COMMISSION AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION. AND WITH THAT, WE CAN ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. YEAH. SO REAL QUICK, AND THIS IS MORE PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS, I WANNA MAKE SURE. SO CORE, I SEE THAT YOU'VE COORDINATED AND DECONFLICTED WITH DISTRICTS WITH THE DISTRICT, UH, WITH THE CITY GUIDELINES AS IT PERTAINS TO THE DISTRICT GUIDELINES. RIGHT. SO THAT'S PART OF MY, MY ROLE IN THIS IS I, I, I SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON THE EARLY, UH, PHASES OF THIS WITH THE CONSULTANT, AND WE MADE SURE THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY CONFLICTS WITH THE CITYWIDE PROVISIONS. MM-HMM. , RIGHT? AND, AND FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, THE WORD FLEXIBILITY CAME UP A LOT. UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROVIDES CLEAR GUIDANCE, BUT THEN ALSO ISN'T GOING TO BIND A PROJECT IN ANY SORT OF BOX. WE'RE JUST, WE'RE PROVIDING NEW GUIDANCE WHILE STILL ALLOWING FOR FLEXIBILITY WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. ARE THERE ANY POINTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE STILL KIND OF, THAT MAYBE DIDN'T AGREE ON, OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, CITY WANTS ONE THING AND RIVER ROAD WANTS ANOTHER THING AND, AND HE'S LIKE, HEY, LISTEN, WE, THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO GET VOTED ON, OR THE WORDING NEEDS TO CHANGE, OR DID DID LEGAL LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF? I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STILL HASN'T BEEN, I GUESS, UH, AGREED UPON? AND WHICH IS OKAY IF IT DOES, THAT HAPPENS, BUT I'M JUST NO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I'M UP HERE GIVING THIS PRESENTATION IS THE DRAFT HAS BEEN ENDORSED BY THE CITY. UM, AND SO WE'RE READY FOR IT TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, NOW THAT BEING SAID, LIKE, I KNOW THERE'S ONGOING KIND OF CONVERSATIONS AMONGST NEIGHBORS ABOUT KIND OF HOW THIS LANGUAGE HAS BEEN TWEAKED. UM, AND I THINK THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN TO A VERY STRONG CONSENSUS, UM, THROUGH THIS EFFORT. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE THEIR ONE THING THAT'S INTEREST, AND THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR. THAT'S NORMAL. PEOPLE ARE NOT ALWAYS GONNA AGREE, AND THAT'S WHY WE VOTE ON THINGS. SO ULTIMATELY THEN, WHO HAS GOT REDING AUTHORITY ON THIS DOCUMENTS BEFORE IT GETS TO US? WHO IS LIKE CROSSING THINGS OUT, PUTTING THINGS IN, THAT'S GONNA BE YOU ? YEAH. AND SO I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DRAFT AND, AND REALLY WORKED WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE WHAT THEY WANTED TO BE IN THERE WAS IN THERE. UM, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAD KIND OF SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS A CONFLICT WITH THE CITYWIDE PROVISIONS AND WE HAD TO CHANGE SOME THINGS. OKAY. AND, AND THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S WHAT I WANNA HEAR. AND SO YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, HEY, SOMEBODY ELSE, LOOK AT THIS LEGAL OR WHATEVER, AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I'M SAYING MAKE SENSE. AND SO, OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, WHAT IS THAT THIS WOULD COME FOR H C R C, THE FIRST, UH, MEETING IN SEPTEMBER? WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR THIS GETTING, UH, REVIEWED AND APPROVED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL? UM, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY ADD 30 DAYS TO EACH STEP IN THE PROCESS. AND SO WE WOULD GO TO ZONING COMMISSION WITHIN 30 DAYS. THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS THAT WE [00:10:01] NEED TO MEET FOR THE, FOR A CHANGE IN THE CODE, ESSENTIALLY. UM, AND THEN GENERALLY 30 DAYS TO CITY COUNCIL FOLLOWING ZONING COMMISSION. SO TWO MONTHS AFTER SEPTEMBER 6TH WHEN THE H C R C WERE TO RECOMMEND, OKAY. ARE ALL, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS IN RIVER ROAD BEING NOTIFIED OF THIS, UH, ZONING CHANGE. SO IT'S BEEN DETERMINED. THERE'S NOT A LEGAL NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT LIKE A ZONING CASE. NOBODY, THERE'S NOT A MAIL NOTICE. UM, BUT THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF OUTREACH FROM THIS GROUP AND FROM THE BOARD. UM, THERE'S BEEN PHYSICAL SIGNS. THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I BELIEVE SIGNS HAVE BEEN POSTED . OH. AND, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DONE THEIR OWN MAILERS AS WELL. SO YEAH, THAT WAS SOMETHING EARLY ON. WE HELPED DEVELOP THE MAILING LISTS USING THE G I S DATA, AND SO THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY DID MAILERS. OKAY. AND, UM, IS ONCE, IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVES IT, WHEN WOULD IT GO INTO EFFECT? UM, IMMEDIATELY WHEN THE ORDINANCE IS SIGNED, UNLESS THERE WAS ANOTHER EFFECTIVE DATE THAT WAS SPECIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. AND, UM, I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION IS, IF THERE ARE ANY DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE WORKS MM-HMM. , UH, WILL THEY BE GRANDFATHERED IN? UH, RIGHT. JUST LIKE ANY KIND OF CODE CHANGE PERMITS THAT ARE ALREADY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CORRECT TERM, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE NEW PROVISIONS. OKAY. BUT THAT'S ONLY IF THEY'VE, UM, IF THERE'S BEEN A FORMAL REQUEST MADE TO THE CITY THAT INCLUDES CO A'S A C O A REQUEST AS WELL. OKAY. SO I GUESS I WOULD ASK THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THEIR RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF THAT SO THAT, UM, I MEAN, I HATE FOR A CASE TO COME BEFORE US THAT SOMEONE WAS IN DESIGN WITH THE PROJECT BUT HADN'T FORMALLY SUBMITTED FOR A C O A OR A PERMIT, AND THEN THEY'RE STUCK, UH, WITH THIS NEW, UH, OVERLAY. ABSOLUTELY. AND, UM, WE CAN MAKE SURE OUR DESIGN REVIEW TEAM IS ALSO KIND OF COGNIZANT OF THAT ISSUE AS WE HAVE APPLICANTS COMING TO US INFORMALLY. WE CAN MAKE THEM AWARE OF THAT TIMELINE. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I, YOU'RE MUTED AGAIN. UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I THINK THEY WOULD JUST STAND. COMMISSIONER BAKER HAS ARRIVED, SO I THINK WE'RE READY TO GET STARTED. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF YOU WERE, UH, SAYING SOMETHING, YOU START OVER. SORRY. WE HAD A VOLUME ISSUE. THAT'S OKAY. AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE OF, UH, DOING VIRTUAL HERE. I WAS JUST GOING TO, UH, COMMEND O H P STAFF FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND OF COURSE, UM, YOU KNOW, TIP MY HAT TO THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMUNITY THAT HAVE, UH, PULLED TOGETHER TO CREATE THIS DOCUMENT. THANK YOU. YES. I WOULD ADD MY, UH, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND, AND THANKS TO CORY AND O H P FOR, UM, MOVING THIS FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME WE DO HAVE A COURTROOM, SO I WILL, UH, ASK FOR A ROLL CALL. GIBBS HERE. FISH. SAVINO VELAZQUEZ MOOKA. HERE, CARPENTER. HERE. GRO CERVANTES. HERE. BAKER HERE. AND FETZER. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. FIRST UP IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES [Approval of Minutes] FOR MARCH 1ST AND JULY 19TH, 2023. MR. CHAIR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES. SECOND. SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU REPEAT? AYE. THANK YOU. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MINUTES APPROVED. THANK YOU. WE NOW HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] OH, UH, CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT. I'M SORRY. [00:15:02] AND WE ALSO HAVE SOMETHING, SOMEONE FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES. YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. UM, IF WE COULD HAVE, UM, JUST TO NOTE THAT INTERPRETED SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING, IF I CAN HAVE SOMEBODY FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SORRY. GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF THERE. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE A CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF OR DIS DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME. THE SPEAKER'S CALLED UPON SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. OKAY. AGAIN, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING PATIENT. UM, AND SORRY WE'RE OFF TO A LATE START. UM, JUST A QUICK NOTE ABOUT THE AGENDA. UM, ITEM 12 HAS BEEN POSTPONED. WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH COMMISSIONERS TO HEAR THIS ITEM TODAY. UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER HASN'T BEEN INFORMED, UM, AND WE WILL TRY TO SCHEDULE THAT FOR THE NEXT POSSIBLE DATE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, BUT THEN ITEM 15 4 45 CLUB HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND THAT ALSO WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, NOW, UH, WE'VE DONE THE BRIEFING. SO WE HAVE 11 ITEMS REMAINING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, WE HAVE VOICEMAILS RECEIVED, UM, FOR A FEW OF THOSE. WE'LL PLAY THEM NOW. AND WE HAVE NO, NOBODY SIGNED IN, IN PERSON TO SPEAK. SO LET'S DO VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM SEVEN. GOOD. A FRANCOIS CALLING IN ON BEHALF OF CONCERNED CITIZENS FOR DIGNITY HILL ON CASE 2023 DASH 2 96, 6 0 6 DAWSON STREET. WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ACCORDING TO O'S COMMENTS, THE H DRC JULY 19TH REVIEW. AND I QUOTE, GUIDELINES TYPICALLY REQUIRE THAT ACCESSORIES RELATE TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE DESIGN OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AND AS BUILDINGS ARE INTRODUCED SITE, THEY'RE PUSHED IN THE DIRECTION THAT IS COMPATIBLE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. THIS GIVES THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO GET THEM TO A PLACE THAT'S MORE COMPATIBLE, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT MEANT TO STIFLE. AND EVERY NOW AND THEN, YOU GET SOMETHING THAT IS VERY NICELY DETAILED AND VERY PROPORTIONATE IN SCALE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA, WHICH MIGHT USE INDIGENOUS OR NATIVE MATERIAL. AND WE FIND IT'S APPROPRIATE. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT MATCHES THE STRUCTURE, BUT WE DO FEEL THAT IT SATISFIES THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES. IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD LIKE O H P TO PROVIDE US THE CRITERIA THAT'S USED TO DETERMINE HOW DESIGNS ARE DEEMED SOLID ENOUGH SO THAT O H P FEELS IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES WHILE ACTUALLY NOT MEETING ANY OF THE GUIDELINES AT ALL. IF WE'RE LUCKY, WE MAY GET TO THE POINT THAT ALL RESIDENTS SUBMIT DESIGNS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE REVIEWED BECAUSE THEY ALL MEET THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES. THE HOURS SPENT REVIEWING THESE CASES BY H D R C AND INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS LIKE OURS TO MAKE SURE THE DESIGNS MEET THE ESTABLISHED O P O H P GUIDELINES WILL NO LONGER BE REQUIRED. SINCE ALL DESIGNS WILL MEET THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES, WE CAN THEN SHARE THIS CRITERIA WITH THE RESIDENTS IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS WELL AS OTHER HISTORIC, HISTORIC DISTRICTS. I'M SURE THEY WOULD APPRECIATE BEING [00:20:01] APPROVED, AS FOR DESIGNS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY MEET THE ESTABLISHED O H P GUIDELINES AS WELL. THANK YOU. NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FOR 2218 WEST GRAMERCY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 22 18 WEST GRAMERCY, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 8 2. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER, MEMBER OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE NINE MEMBER M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO O BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR INVESTMENT IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME AND SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THE LAST VOICEMAIL FOR CONSENT IS 2030 WEST MULBERRY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9 20 30 WEST MULBERRY AVENUE, CASE NUMBER 20 23 2 8 6. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER, MEMBER OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE NINE MEMBER M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR INVESTING IN THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTY BY ADDING A GARAGE WHERE IT APPEARS A PRIOR STRUCTURE WAS LOCATED. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. HOWEVER, DUE TO THE LACK OF DETAILS ON THE E ONE ELEVATION AND SUBMITTED INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THE DETAILS ON THE FRONT FACING OVERHEAD GARAGE DOORS, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION FOR THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT THE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE OVERHEAD GARAGE DOORS TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CONSENT COMMISSIONERS. PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE'S ALSO LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? MR. COMMISSIONER? I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER NINE. THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO OTHERS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. MOOKA AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 34 0 3 SOUTH FLORES, 39 0 3 NORTH ST. MARY'S, 1226 EAST HOUSTON 88 0 2 MISSION ROAD, EIGHT 20 NORTH ALAMO, TWO 11 WIX, 6 0 6 DAWSON, 2218 WEST GRAMERCY 2 0 1 EAST KINGS HIGHWAY AND ONE 12 WEST MAGNOLIA. YOUR YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED IN THE EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, COMMISSIONER BAKER PULLED IT FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, I I WANTED TO KNOW THE STAFF'S RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT REQUESTING THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION FOR DETAIL ON THE OVERHEAD GARAGE DOOR AND PARTICULARLY, ARE THERE ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT COMMUNITY OR, OR, OR WOULD, IS THAT A, A VALID STIPULATION OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN JUST BE WORKED OUT? YEAH, SO ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT THE, UH, THAT THE INSTALLED GARAGE DOOR HAVE A WOOD, UM, BE EITHER MADE OF WOOD OR HAVE A WOOD-LIKE APPEARANCE. UM, TYPICALLY STAFF RECEIVES A, UH, PRODUCT DESCRIPTION BEFORE, UH, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS ISSUED. OKAY. BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CONSTRAINTS AS FAR AS WHETHER IT HAS WINDOWS OR NOT WINDOWS OR, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OUT AND THOSE, UM, SO I MEAN, KINDA WHAT BRIAN WAS SAYING IS IF THIS STIPULATION IS APPROVED WITH THE ACTION, WE WOULD NOT ISSUE THE C O A UNTIL ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED. AND SO THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO SHOW US PRECISELY WHICH STORE HE PLANS TO PURCHASE AND INSTALL, [00:25:01] UM, BEFORE WE ISSUE THIS. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S EITHER WOOD OR WE'LL HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF WOOD. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS JUST LIKE A STANDARD ALUMINUM ROLLUP DOOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND PARTICULAR EMPHASIS ON THE REQUEST. THAT DETAILED INFORMATION BE PROVIDED FOR THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOORS PRIOR TO THE ISSUING OF A C O. A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. MOOKA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 13. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 51. THE APPLICANT IS, OR I'M SORRY, 300 SAN FERNANDO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A NINE FOOT TALL MONUMENT SIGN AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A MONUMENT SIGN BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN TO SIX FEET IN HEIGHT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDING B. UPDATED SIGNAGE SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW, REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, ROBERT BELDEN IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. I'M SORRY, MR. BELDEN, I JUST MADE YOU A PANELIST. UM, YOU'LL NEED TO MUTE YOURSELF. MR. BELDEN, ARE YOU THERE? YES, SIR. I'M, I'M PRESENT. ALRIGHT, GREAT. YES, SIR. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE DESIGN THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND COMMENT ON STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS? YES, SIR. UH, ESSENTIALLY THIS SIGN WAS AT THIS LOCATION APPROXIMATELY EIGHT, 10 YEARS AGO AND WAS TAKEN DOWN BECAUSE OF ITS CONDITION. UH, THEY PUT IT IN STORAGE AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN RENOVATING THIS BUILDING FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. UH, AS THE PICTURES SHOW, THEY HAVE COME A LONG WAY TO BRING IN THIS BUILDING INTO A VERY, VERY ATTRACTIVE APPEARANCE. UH, THE ISSUE WITH A SIGN AND THE REASON THAT WE CANNOT, UH, COMPLY WITH THE OWNER'S REQUEST WITH REGARDS TO, UH, SIX FOOT LIMITATION HAS TO DO WITH THREE ITEMS THAT THEY WANT US TO INCORPORATE IN THE SIGN. ONE, THE NAME OF THE CHURCH, THE MARQUEE, AND THEN A DEDICATION PLAQUE. UH, TRYING TO GET ALL OF THIS WITHIN SIX FEET MAKES EVERYTHING, UH, ESPECIALLY THE LETTERING VERY SMALL IN NATURE. AND THIS SIGN IS INTENDED TO BE READ FROM THE ACCESS ROAD TRAFFIC. UH, THE LETTERING WOULD BE SO SMALL, REALLY, THE SIGN WOULD SERVE VERY LITTLE PURPOSE. IF THAT HAPPENED, THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A MARQUEE THERE. UH, PROBABLY ONLY JUST THE NAME OF THE CHURCH. UH, SO THAT ESSENTIALLY IS THE, IS THE PROBLEM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL SIX FEET AND THE NINE IS JUST THE PITCH ON THE TOP OF THE SIGN WHERE IT SAYS LA AND THE METHODIST, UH, EMBLEM. UH, ONE OTHER THING, A NINE FOOT SIGN IN RELATION TO THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING IS PRETTY PROPORTIONAL. THIS IS A VERY, VERY LARGE BUILDING, AND THE SIGN WOULD NOT BE DISPROPORTIONAL TO THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING FROM THE ACCESS ROAD. OKAY. WELL, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, THE PROPOSED SIGN THAT'S, UH, THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, IS IT ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL SIGN BEING PUT IN PLACE? OR IS IT AN AUGMENTED SIGN THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO, TO [00:30:01] THE STANDARDS? BECAUSE THE REASON I ASK THIS IS 'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE IN THE PAST HAD CASES WHERE THERE WAS A CERTAIN SITUATION WHERE A SIGN WAS GRANDFATHERED BECAUSE OF, UM, BECAUSE IT, IT, UH, IT DATE FROM EARLIER PERIOD, UH, PRIOR TO THE, UH, THE STANDARDS BEING PUT IN PLACE. YES, THIS WILL BE A NEW SIGN. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE HISTORIC PHOTO HERE SHOWS THE ORIGINAL SIGN THAT WAS ON THE SITE. SO IT'S, IT IS A WHOLLY NEW SIGN. IT'S, THERE'S NO COMPONENT OF IT THAT'S, THAT IS, UH, HISTORIC OR, OR IS IS ORIGINAL TO THIS SIGN THAT WE SEE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH? CORRECT. WE'RE, WE'RE RENO, WE'RE RENOVATING THE SIGN THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY. THE SIGN THAT WAS THERE WAS TAKEN DOWN, PUT IN STORAGE. NOW WE'RE TAKING THAT SAME SIGN AND WE'RE ADDING THREE FEET ON THE TOP TO BE ABLE TO, UH, IDENTIFY THE NAME OF THE CHURCH. EVERYTHING BELOW THAT WOULD BE SIX FEET. SO REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THE THREE FEET IS JUST TO GET THE NAME OF THE CHURCH MORE IDENTIFIABLE, UH, FROM THE ROADWAY. MR. BELDEN, UM, SO YOU ARE DESCRIBING THE MARQUEE THAT'S SEEN IN THIS HISTORIC PHOTO AS BEING REUSED IN THE PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN. RIGHT. UH, THAT MARQUEE WOULD BE A, UH, LIGHTED, UH, LETTER MARQUE, COMMISSIONER, ANTES AND CHAIRMAN, I HAVE JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION. YES. SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE SEE PHOTOGRAPHS OF, I THINK THE CORON IN WHICH THE SIGN IS GOING IN, IN INTO POSITION, BUT IS IT GOING TO BE ANGLED LIKE THE SIGN WAS ORIGINALLY? WE DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS ITS, ITS ACTUAL SPECIFIC POSITIONING. UH, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? SURE. UM, WE DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS WHERE THE, THE MODIFIED SIGN IS GOING TO BE PLACED. UH, WE JUST HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS, I THINK OF THE LOCATION OF THE CORNER. IS IT GOING TO BE ANGLED? LIKE THE SIGN WAS ORIGINALLY, THERE WAS A PICTURE OF THE, ONE OF THE POSTS IT, RIGHT, IT WAS, IT SHOWED RIGHT AT GROUND LEVEL WHERE THAT, UH, UH, BROKE OFF POST IS STILL REMAINING THERE. RIGHT. NOT RIGHT THERE. THAT'S IT. OKAY. YEAH. I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME PUTTING IT INTO CONTEXT TO, WITH THE REST OF THE SITE IN ITS POSITION AND ANGLE TO THE STREET. IS IT GONNA BE ANGLED LIKE IN THE VIEW THAT, THAT WE SEE, UH, THE, THE SIGN ABORIGINAL, THAT THAT IS WITH, WITH VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE THAT'S WITHIN THE PROXIMITY OF WHERE THE SIGN WOULD BE LOCATED, GIVEN ONE OR TWO FEET. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. JUST, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN IN THE PHOTO, DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON THAT STAFF? DO WE KNOW HOW HIGH THAT PHOTO, THAT SIGN IS? UH, THAT THAT IS NOT THE SIGN. THAT'S A DIFFERENT SIGN. MR. BELDEN, THE QUESTION WAS AN ESTIMATE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN IN THE HISTORIC PHOTO. SO THE HISTORIC SIGN. NINE, UH, NINE FEET. OKAY. NINE, NINE FEET. IS THAT, IS THAT YES, SIR. NINE FEET. OKAY. THAT IS TO THE, TO THE RIDGE OF THE, UH, WHERE THE EMBLEM IS. THE SIDES WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY A FOOT AND A HALF BELOW THAT BASED ON THE FIGURES IN THE PHOTO. WHAT MAKES IT NINE FEET IS, IS THE, IS IS THE CONFIGURATION OF THE POINT OF THE SIGN WHERE THE RIDGE IS. RIGHT. IF YOU LOOK AT OR DUPLICATES A ROOF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO FROM, IT LOOKS LIKE TO BE THE TWENTIES OF THIRTIES MAYBE, THAT YOU SUBMITTED, AND THERE'S A SIGN RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE WITH LETTERING AND WHATNOT, AND THERE'S PEOPLE STANDING BELOW IT, UH, THAT APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST 12 TO 15 FEET TALL. IS THAT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SIGN? YEAH. WELL, THAT SIGN WAS THERE BACK THEN. THIS SIGN WAS INSTALLED. I'M APPROXIMATING IN THE NINETIES. UM, I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT BECAUSE IT WAS A DONATION FROM A FAMILY MEMBER. BY THE WAY, THIS MY GREAT-GREAT-GRANDFATHER WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THIS CHURCH. SO I HAVE A LITTLE HISTORY BEHIND THIS SIGN. THIS SIGN WAS, UH, WAS, UH, DONATED BY MY COUSIN WHO IS NOW DECEASED. AND, UH, THAT'S WHY THEY KEPT A SIGN. AND THAT'S WHY THAT SAME SIGN HAS BEEN, UH, RENOVATED BECAUSE IT HAS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS SENTIMENTAL VALUE TO THEM. MR. BELDEN, CAN [00:35:01] YOU CLARIFY, THE MARQUESS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING TO INSTALL IN THIS NEW FREESTANDING SIGN IS THE MARQUES THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INSTALLED IN THE NINETIES AND NOT THE MARQUES THAT'S SHOWN IN THE HISTORIC PHOTO. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. THAT THAT'S CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. THAT, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SIGN IN THE HISTORIC PHOTO. OKAY. MAYBE THE SAME LOCATION, BUT IT IS NOT THE SAME SIGN. AND WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THE SIGN FROM THE NINETIES AS IT SAT, CORRECT? NO, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, PLACEMENT. YES, SIR. THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH THAT IS THE EAST ELEVATION. IS THAT WHERE THE SIGN WOULD GO AT THE CORNER DIAGONAL TO THE, UH, TO THE ROAD? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. JUST APPROXIMATELY BEHIND WHERE THAT TELEPHONE POLE IS. OKAY. WHERE IT COULD BE VIEWED FROM THE ACCESS ROAD. WELL, I, I THINK THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID FROM BEING ABLE TO READ THE SIGN FROM A MOVING VEHICLE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE LARGER SIZE. UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE SIZE ISSUE IS JUST THE NAME OF THE CHURCH. UH, MR. CHAIR. I MOVE THAT THE, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I MOVE THAT THE, UM, SIGN BE INSTALLED AS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. SECOND. OKAY. DISCUSSION. UM, I GUESS ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, I WOULD THINK THAT A SITE PLAN, A DIMENSION SITE PLAN MIGHT BE REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, CLARIFY WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR THAT THERE ARE NO, UH, OBSTRUCTIONS, VIEW OBSTRUCTIONS AT THE CORNER, UH, WHERE THE SIGN FINALLY SITS. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS A, AN ISSUE WITH SETTING SOMETHING RIGHT AT A CORNER. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THAT STIPULATION BE PLACED IN, IN MY MOTION THAT A SITE PLAN STIPULATION BE PLACED TO DECONFLICT ANY, UH, OBSTRUCTION TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN, TO SUBMIT A SITE SITE PLAN BEFORE APPROVAL. OKAY. AND THE, THE SECOND CONCURS. SECOND CONCURS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? UH, SIR? YES SIR. QUESTION, PLEASE. YES. UH, WHEN YOU REFER TO OBSTRUCTION, THIS IS, UH, OBSTRUCTION OF THE VIEW OF THE ROADWAY COMING FROM SAN FERNANDO OR FROM THE ACCESS ROAD, FROM THE, THE SIDE STREET THAT COMES ONTO THE ACCESS ROAD. RIGHT. UH, THIS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 10 OR 11 FEET AWAY. YOU, YOU COULD SEE THE STREET SIGN, UH, THE STOP SIGN AND YOU, IT'S A ONE-WAY TRAFFIC. THERE'S NO TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. SO YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE TO VIEW TRAFFIC FROM, UH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE NORTH OF THERE. AND, UH, THE SIGN ITSELF WOULD NOT FORM AN OBSTRUCTION, UH, FROM VIEWING TRAFFIC. THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT I THINK I STILL THINK A SITE PLAN, UH, SHOWING THE EXACT LOCATION WOULD BE, UH, USEFUL FOR O H P TO, TO VERIFY. I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO SEE IT IN PROPORTION TO THE BUILDING TO SEE WHERE IT LANDS. I, I, I CONCUR WITH THAT. IT, IT'S JUST A GRAPHIC TO SHOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GONNA SIT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE WITH, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES WHEN TRAFFIC IS MOVING DOWN, ANY OF THE ROADS THAT CORRESPOND TO THAT AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. MOOKA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. AGENDA ITEM 14. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 2 9 5 8 49 EAST COMMERCE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SET OF ENTRANCE DOORS ON THE BLUM ALLEY. THAT IS THE NORTH FACADE OF RIVER CENTER MALL WITH REPLACEMENT DOORS. THE EXISTING DOORS ARE MANUFACTURED BY ELLISON BRONZE AND LIKELY TO [00:40:01] DATE TO 1939. THE DOORS ARE PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED WITH NEW ALUMINUM DOORS. SAF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED DOOR REPLACEMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT DOORS MATCH THE HISTORIC DOORS AND PROFILE FINISH AND MATERIAL, AND TWO, THAT THE ORIGINAL DOORS BE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE FOR POSSIBLE REUSE IN THE FUTURE. UH, THE APPLICANT TEAM IS HERE WITH US IN PERSON. GOOD AFTERNOON ALL. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US TODAY. MY NAME IS DEL. I'M FROM DEDICATED GLASSWORKS ON BEHALF OF H AND M. AND THIS IS MRS. KATIE. I'M KATIE DOLLIVER. I'M A FACILITIES MANAGER FOR H AND M. UM, THESE DOORS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE BUILDING, THE, THE, UM, H AND M MOVED IN THIS LOCATION. THE LEASE STARTED IN 2014. CONSTRUCTION CONTINUED TO 2016 AND ON THE CORNER OF BLUM STREET AND ALAMO, UM, THERE WAS A, AN ADDITIONAL DOOR THAT WAS INSTALLED THAT WAS NOT THERE BEFORE IN THAT CORNER. THE ORIGINAL DOORS WERE AN GRAS TWO ALAMO, AND THAT'S THE DOORS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WE ARE DUPLICATING. THE PROBLEM WITH THOSE DOORS WERE THEY WERE MANUFACTURED IN 1939 BY ALISON BRONZE DURING THE 1939 REVELATION OF THE, UM, RIVER CENTER MALL. UH, THOSE DOORS, UH, QUITE A FEW PROBLEMS OF THEM. UM, BASICALLY, UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS AND ISSUES THEY WERE BEFORE THE A D A COMPLIANCE LAWS. UH, SO THE COMPLIANCE LAWS, THE DOORS ARE 29 INCHES, UM, IN WIDTH. THERE ARE DOUBLE DOORS WHEN THEY'RE OPEN BECAUSE THEY'RE SELF BALANCED DOORS, THE DOORS BECOME 22 INCHES IN WIDTH. SO THEY'RE NON-COMPLIANT WITH A D A COMPLIANCE THERE. THE MAJOR OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE DOORS IS THE MAINTENANCE. THE MAINTENANCE IS, THERE ARE NO MORE PARTS FOR THE DOORS. THE MIDDLE SET DOORS HAVE BEEN CHAINED UP NOW FOR 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS. 18 MONTHS. YEAH. 18 MONTHS BECAUSE THERE IS JUST NO PARTS. AND THE OTHER DOORS THAT ARE WORKING, UH, FUNCTIONING, UM, THEY BASICALLY OPEN ALL DAY LONG. THEY'RE A JAR. UH, THESE DOORS DO NOT HAVE YOUR TRADITIONAL DOOR CLOSES THAT YOU WOULD KNOW. YOU WOULD SEE AS AN OVERHEAD DOOR CLOSER. THEY HAVE SPRINGS IN THEM. SO THAT'S WHAT A SELF BALANCED DOOR HAS SPRINGS LOADED INTO THE COLUMN. AND ALL OF THE SPRINGS HAVE LOST EITHER TENSION OR HAVE BROKEN. AND THE DOORS ARE, DURING OPERATION ALL DAY LONG ARE OPEN AT A 35 TO 4 5, 4 5 DEGREES. THAT IS CAUSING MORE EFFECT ON THE HVAC SYSTEMS THAT THEY HAVE AT H AND M TO THE POINT NOW THEY'RE DELAYING REPLACING THE HVAC SO THEY CAN HAVE NEW SET OF DOORS. BECAUSE ONE OF THE MOTTOS OF, UH, HANNAH AND MAURICE IS THEY'RE VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS AND THEY'RE BUILDING CODE STANDARDS FOR THE UNITED STATES IS TO HAVE LEADS AS TO BE A LEADS COMPLIANCE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN ANY SITUATION THAT IS CONCEIVABLY POSSIBLE. SO THE SET OF DOORS THAT WE PROPOSE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME ONES THAT WERE APPROVED BY THIS RESPECTIVE OFFICE BACK IN 2014, 2015, AND 16. WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE A MR. HALL HERE, UM, WHO HAS HELPED US THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WHO WAS INSTRUMENTAL OF APPROVING THE CORNER DOORS ON BLUM PLUM. BLUM. BLUM, SORRY. THANK YOU. UH, BLUM AND ALAMO, UH, BACK DURING THE, UM, OPENING OF THE H AND M STORE. UH, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, UM, YOU GENTLEMEN, UH, TAKING THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR US, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH. WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION? THAT WE HAVE NO CONCERNS AT ALL WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY'RE VERY SOUND RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. AND WELL, JUST TO CONFIRM, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, REPLACING THREE SETS OF DOUBLE DOORS OR TWO LEAF DOORS WITH TWO SETS OF TWO LEAF DOORS. UM, ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE GOOD NOW WITH THE MAINTAINING THE THREE? NO, WE CANNOT MAINTAIN, IF WE MAINTAIN THE FREE, SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF 191 INCHES, 191 AND FIVE EIGHT INCHES IN WIDTH. UM, IF WE MAINTAIN THE THREE DOORS AS THE DRAWINGS HAVE, AS THE ORIGINAL DOORS, THEN WE'RE STILL STUCK WITH A 29 INCH OPENING. SO, AND IT MIGHT, THEY MIGHT UNDERSTAND THEN IN ORDER THEM, FOR THEM TO KEEP THE THREE DOORS, THEY'D HAVE TO EXTEND THE, THE OPENING A LITTLE. CORRECT. WE, IT JUST, WE CANNOT ACTUALLY EXTEND THE OPENING 'CAUSE THE OPENINGS RECESSED INSIDE THE BUILDING. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY DON'T FIT. YOU CAN'T PUT [00:45:01] THREE DOORS AND STILL MEET THE, THE REQUIREMENTS. WE DON'T, WE CAN ONLY AFFORD TO PUT TWO DOORS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE OF THE AADA A COMPLIANCE LAWS. SO INSTEAD OF 32 INCH DOORS, OR IN THIS CASE, INSTEAD OF THREE SETS OF DOUBLE DOORS ARE AT 29 INCHES EACH IN WIDTH, WE'LL BE PUTTING IN, UH, TWO SETS. THAT WILL BE 40, 45 AND FIVE 16 INCH WIDTH. UM, SO, AND THEN THE 80 D A DOORS WILL BE ON THE LEFT, ON THE RIGHT DOOR AND A LEFT DOOR AS WELL. SO THERE, SORRY, THERE SHOULD BE ONE MORE THERE. BUT WE DO, WE, WE PUTTING BOTH THE RIGHT DOOR AND THE LEFT DOOR, BOTH DOORS ARE GONNA BE A D A COMPLIANT DOORS. SO BOTH OF THEM WILL HAVE AUTOMATIC DOOR OPERATORS WITH, UH, A G A ACTUATORS ON THE INSIDE OF THE STORE AND THE EXTERIOR SIDE OF THE DOOR AS WELL. SO THE, THE FAR RIGHT AND THE FAR LEFT WILL BOTH HAVE, UM, AUTOMATIC ACTUATORS. THEY WILL YES, SIR. AND EVEN IF WE DIDN'T, WE STILL LIVE IN COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OVERSIZED DOOR, BUT WE ARE GOING WITH BOTH SIDE DOORS WITH, UH, A D A COMPLIANCE. OKAY. BUT, BUT ALL OF THOSE DOORS ARE THE SAME SIZE, THE SAME WIDTH? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS STIPULATION THAT IT, THAT BRASS BE UTILIZED AS FINISH? ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE THAT WILL MATCH THE EXISTING DOORS THAT WERE, UH, INSTALLED DURING THE, THERE WERE NO DOORS ON BLUM STREET AND ALAMO BEFORE ON THE CORNER OF BLUM AND ALAMO. SURE. IN 2014, 2015 AND 2016, THAT'S WHEN THE NEW DOORS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE WERE INSTALLED. WE'LL BE MATCHING THE EXACT SAME DOORS THAT ARE ON THE CORNER AND, AND ALL THE ARTICULATION THAT GOES WITH IT. YES. THAT EXACT SAME SETTING. WE ARE ACTUALLY NOT GONNA REMOVE THE TOP. UM, WE ARE GONNA, THAT TOP IS REMAINING THE BROWSE TOP THERE, WHICH IS ABOUT 22 INCHES FLE CORRECTLY, WE'LL REMAIN. SO YOU HAVE 81, 0 180 4, ABOUT 22 INCHES. SO THE DOORS WILL BE THE SAME EXACT HEIGHT WITH THE EXISTING TOP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. YES. A QUESTION, UM, IF, IF YOU WERE TO KEEP THE THREE PAIRS OF DOORS MM-HMM. , UM, WHAT I COULD SEE HAPPENING IS, AND THIS IS MAYBE A MORE OF A COMMENT, BUT REALLY A QUESTION. IF THE FAR RIGHT AND THE FAR LEFT WERE THE A D A COMPLIANT DOORS MM-HMM. , UH, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE 45 INCHES WIDE. THEY COULD BE WHATEVER THEY NEED TO BE. 36, 38 MM-HMM. . 'CAUSE YOU HAVE AUTOMATIC ACTUATORS. YEAH. THE MINIMUM IS 32, THEN YOU COULD HAVE A FIXED SIDELIGHT NEXT TO IT. YEAH. AND THEN KEEP THE SENSOR DOORS, THE EXISTING WIDTHS. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT H AND M WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH IS TO OPEN, HAVE MORE OPENNESS AND ACCESS THE STORE. RIGHT NOW WITH THE AMOUNT OF HARDWARE YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE OF THE AMOUNT OF COLUMNS THAT YOU HAVE. UM, THERE DOES NOT REALLY OFFER ANY ACCESS INTO THE STORE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THE DOORS. SO THE DESIGN CONCEPT IS ACTUALLY TO OPEN THE DOORS AS WIDER AND HAVE AS MUCH VISIBLE, UH, VIEW INTO THE STORE THROUGH THE DOORS TO ATTRACT MORE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE WALKING BY. BECAUSE THESE DOORS ARE RECESSED APPROXIMATELY ANYWHERE BETWEEN 12 TO 15 FEET INTO THE BUILDING. SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE WALKING BY, THEY'RE NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT CATCHING THE EYE AS A WELCOMING COME IN VERSUS THE NEWEST, UH, SET OF DOORS IS THE GLASS OPENINGS ARE MUCH BIGGER. SO IT'S OFFERING A MUCH BIGGER VISUAL INTO THE STORE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, WHAT BECOMES OF THE, THE FLUTED JAM THAT'S BETWEEN THE SETS OF DOORS HERE, IS THAT GETTING REMOVED ALONG WITH THE DOORS OR ARE YOU, ARE YOU ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT SOMEHOW BETWEEN THE, THE PROPOSED HAIR DOORS? 'CAUSE THERE APPEARS TO BE, ONCE YOU RE REDUCE THIS FROM, UH, UH, TRIPLE PAIRS OF DOORS DOWN TO DOUBLE DOORS, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THOSE FLUTED JAMS AND STILL HAVE THE, THE REQUIRED ENTRANCE WIDTHS. THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT QUESTION UP. THOSE, UH, ACCIDENT FLUTES ARE ACTUALLY WHERE THE, WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER ON THE SPRINGS ARE LOADED INTO THOSE VERTICAL FLUTES THAT YOU SEE THERE. SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE ACTUAL OPERATION OF THE DOOR IS. OH. SO THAT WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REUSE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE [00:50:01] PART OF THE ACTUAL DOORS THAT WE'RE REMOVING. AND THE SPRING, THE DOOR CLOSED SPRINGS ARE INSIDE THOSE FLUTES. A SECOND FOLLOW UP QUESTION. HAVE YOU ALL APPROACHED, UH, T D L R, UH, REGARDING NOT MODIFYING THESE DOORS? BECAUSE, UM, IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE PAST ON OTHER HISTORIC PROPERTIES WHERE THE STOREFRONT MODIFICATIONS WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT TO THE CHARACTER. UM, AN EXAMPLE IS, UH, THE, UH, ALBE THEATER WHERE THE DOORS ARE ALIGNED WITH TERRAZZO JUST AS THESE ARE, THAT ARE, ARE, ARE VERY CAREFULLY SPACED OUT TO REFLECT AND TO RELATE TO THE DOORS. AND IF YOU START CHANGING THAT, THEN YOU START LOSING SORT OF A DESIRE RELATIONSHIP. AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO AND GET LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM O H P AND, UH, TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION IN SUPPORT OF NOT, UH, CHANGING THE CONFIGURATION. CERTAINLY YOU CAN UPDATE THE CONTEMPORARY DOORS, BUT NOT CHANGING THE CONFIGURATION. AND T L R HAS APPROVED THAT, THAT, THAT, HAVE YOU PURSUED THAT ROUTE AT ALL? WELL, WE HAVE DONE THE MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION HERE, AND THE MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION IS WITH THE SAME ROUGH OPENING THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS 191 INCHES, A HUNDRED NINETY ONE FIVE EIGHT INCHES. IF WE GO OVER THE SAME CONFIGURATION AS IN THE PICTURE, THAT MEANS THAT WE WILL BE, UH, JUST BELOW THE THRESHOLD OF 30, 30 AND A HALF INCHES PER DOOR. SO IF WE GO INTO MAKE THESE DOORS INTO THREE DOUBLE SET OF DOORS, WE WILL NOT BE IN A D A COMPLIANCE. MY QUESTION WASN'T ABOUT MATH. IT WAS ABOUT COMP GOING TO T D L R AND APPEALING TO THEM, UH, TO GRANT A WAIVER ON THIS SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE DOORS. THERE'S ALSO THE ZO, THERE'S THE, THE SURROUNDS AND THERE COULD BES INTO THE BUILDING THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE THAT WOULD, UH, FULFILL THIS REQUIREMENT. THANK YOU FOR I, NOW I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EXPLAINING YOUR QUESTION. THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 52 DOORS IN THE BUILDING. THERE ARE ONLY, UM, FOUR DOORS ORIGINAL, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE FOUR THEY HAVE, INCLUDING THE MALL. SAME SETUP. IF WE ROLL UP THE PICTURES, I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE THE ACTUAL MALL HAS THE SAME SETUP WITH NEW SET OF DOORS AND INCLUDING, UH, CHIPOTLE, IF WE CAN GO UP MORE. OKAY. THIS, THESE, ALL THE OTHER DOORS IN THE MALL, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THEM ARE RECESSED BACK. UM, THAT'S AN ORIGINAL DOOR. THAT'S AN ORIGINAL DOOR. UH, THERE'S ONE MORE GO UP. THERE YOU GO, SIR. THOSE, THIS IS AN ENTRANCE, A SIDE ENTRANCE ON COMMERCE THAT'S A MODERN DOOR WITH THE SAME KIND OF TERRA FLOORING SET UP HERE WITH A NEW NON-MATCHING TO THE ONES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, WHICH IS STAYING WITH THE BROWSE LOOK. AND THIS IS A, A MALL ENTRANCE ON COMMERCE STREET WITH THE SAME TERRAZA. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS HAS HIS HAND UP TOO. YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, MY QUESTIONS, UM, KIND OF STEM ALONG WITH WHAT, UM, VICE CHAIR CARPENTER WAS MENTIONING. UM, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE DOORS THEMSELVES, I MEAN THERE ARE ARE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE, UM, AND I KNOW WHY YOU WANNA CHANGE THE DOORS. I KNOW TRY TO BE A D A COMPLIANT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT, AND THEN YOU ALSO MENTIONING WHEN THE, UM, WHEN PEOPLE ARE WALKING BY THE STORE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T REALLY, THE WAY IT IS IS DESIGNED. PEOPLE CAN'T REALLY SEE WHAT'S INSIDE THE STORE AND AND BE WELCOMING THERE. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UM, ANOTHER OPTION, YOU KNOW, AND KEEPING THE DOORS OR KEEPING THE CHARACTER OF THESE DOORS IN ORDER TO STILL ACHIEVE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I'M SURE I'M NOT ALONE. I, I LOVE THE WAY THESE DOORS LOOK, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU'RE TRYING TO APPEAL TO CUSTOMERS, BUT IS THERE ANOTHER WAY OR HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ANOTHER WAY IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOAL? WELL, WE HAVE ALREADY CONTACTED THE MANUFACTURER, ALLISON BRONZE. THEY HAVE NO PARTS FOR THESE DOORS ANY LONGER. AND THE CENTER DOOR, IF YOU LOOK AT IT VERY CLOSELY, THAT'S THERE'S BEEN DOUBLE CHAINED. THERE'S A CHAIN ON THE DOOR FOR 18 MONTHS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET, OBTAIN ANY PARTS AT ALL. WE LOVE THE LOOK OF THE DOORS AS WELL, AND WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THEM, BUT WE ARE FORCED TO CHANGE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REPAIRABLE ANYMORE. AND THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THEY SEE HOW THE CUSTOMER IS WALKING IN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. IF YOU GO THERE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THAT DOORS ARE OPEN AT ALL TIMES LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARTS FOR THEM. [00:55:02] GOTCHA. ALRIGHT. THAT'S CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE SUGGESTION MIGHT BE IN ORDER TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME ON THIS, IS TO SEND THIS TO A D R C MM-HMM. , UH, WHERE WE COULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION, MAYBE SOME MORE DETAILS AND DIMENSIONS FROM Y'ALL, MAYBE SOME MORE PHOTOGRAPHS, AND, UH, POSSIBLY COME UP WITH A, UH, SOLUTION THAT, UH, MAINTAINS MORE OF THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THESE DOORS. OKAY, SURE. THAT'S ONE SUGGESTION OR UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A MOTION, ANOTHER MOTION. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I MOVE, I MOVE THAT THIS, UH, BE REFERRED TO A D R C FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, SECOND MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT AS, AS, AS MUCH AS I LIKE THE DOORS, AS MUCH AS I LIKE TO KEEP THE DOORS, I THINK THERE'S A POINT WHERE, AND, AND MAYBE THE D R C WOULD HELP. UH, I'M, I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE ON THAT, BUT I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND THAT THEY JUST GET APPROVED. BUT YEAH, MAYBE A D R C WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, BUT I, I'M OF THE OPINION NOW THAT IT SHOULD BE APPROVED AS, AS PRESENTED, BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE DOOR THAT THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL. UH, THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, UH, UH, UH, UM, IMPACT TO THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MUCH CAN BE DONE. THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BAKER? I, I GUESS, UM, IF THE STAFFS STAFF STIPULATIONS SAY THAT IT'S GOTTA MATCH THE, THE MATERIALS ARE SUPPOSED TO MATCH THE EXISTING DOORS AND THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, THEN THE RESULT SHOULD BE DOORS THAT ALTHOUGH THERE'S, UH, UH, TWO PAIRS OF DOOR, UH, OF DOUBLE DOORS, THAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THE OLD ONES, RIGHT? I MEAN, I MEAN ESSENTIALLY, I MEAN, THERE'LL BE, UH, ONE LESS SET, BUT THE, THE STAFF STIPULATION IS TO HAVE, IF THE COMMISSIONER APPROVES DOORS, DOORS, THAT MATCHES CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE. SO I GUESS I THINK THAT, YEAH, I GUESS I'M WITH COMMISSIONER ENT IS ON THAT ONE. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ADDED VALUE A D R C IS GOING TO BRING. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO CHI CHIME IN ON THAT SINCE IT WAS MY MOTION. UM, I, I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS HERE THAT, UH, COULD GIVE THEM THE SORT OF VISIBILITY THEY'RE WANTING. OBVIOUSLY THE OPERABILITY AND THE, THE ACCESSIBILITY, BUT COULD, UH, ADDRESS THE, THE CHARACTER IN A BETTER WAY THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT JAM THAT'S SEPARATING JAM BETWEEN THE TWO PAIRS BE FLUTED IN A WAY THAT IT RECALLS WHAT WE SEE. IF YOU'RE, PARTICULARLY, IF YOU'RE KEEPING THE TOP AND SIDE SURROUNDS, YOU'D WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT. AND RIGHT NOW ALL I SEE IS THAT IT'S BEING REDUCED DOWN TO A SIMPLE PROFILE AND, UM, AND YOU'RE ALSO LOSING A RELATIONSHIP TO THE TERRAZZO ENTRY, UH, FINISH THAT RELATES TO THAT. SO I, I THINK THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER STUDY AND I THINK THERE COULD BE BENEFIT COMING OUT OF THAT FROM AN H, FROM A D R C. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? IS THAT, IS THAT, UH, FLUTING YOU MENTIONED, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN BE STIPULATED NOW? WOULD THAT BE ADDED A, A FACADE THAT REPLICATES THAT? WELL, I THINK, UM, IN ANTICIPATION THAT D R C I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN GO AND, AND, UM, ENGAGE WITH THEIR DOOR MANUFACTURER AND SEE IF THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM BEFORE THEY COME TO US TO DISCUSS THAT, RATHER THAN US DICTATING THAT AND NOT KNOWING WHETHER THAT IS ACHI ACHIEVABLE, UH, OUTCOME OR NOT. SO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MAZUA? SURE. THANK YOU. I HAD A, A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THAT FLUTED AREA IS A PART OF THE HOUSING FOR THE WORKS OF THE DOOR. THAT'S CORRECT. IS THAT AN INTEGRAL PIECE, LIKE IT'S A BO UH, UM, RECTANGULAR BOX OR IS THAT FLUTED PIECE? JUST THE COVER FOR IT. OKAY. THE, IT'S A RECTANGULAR BOX AND BEHIND THE FLUTED PIECE FOR EACH SINGLE DOOR THERE IS SPRING THAT GOES FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP AND IT'S HOLLOW BEHIND THAT. SO FOR ME, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REUSE THAT, [01:00:01] WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO INTO. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING INTO SCREW INTO IT BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLETE HOLLOW SPACE. SO BEHIND IT IS A COMPLETELY, THE HEIGHT, THE DOOR OF THE HEIGHT IS A SPRING. SO CAN WE REPURPOSE IT? IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO REPURPOSE IT. UM, BUT WHERE WOULD WE PUT IT? THAT'S THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE WE STILL DO NOT ACHIEVE THE AADA A COMPLIANCE IF WE, IF WE REUSE THEM, I WAS THINKING THAT YOU COULD PUT IT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DOUBLE DOORS AND IN BETWEEN THE DOUBLE DOORS. OKAY. SO THE DIVISION, SO BETWEEN THE TWO DOUBLE DOORS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, YOU MIGHT SEE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE DOORS. THERE'S A FOUR INCH BETWEEN THE, THERE'S A FOUR INCH GAP RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE. EDWARD, MR. HALL RIGHT THERE? THAT'S CORRECT. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REPURPOSE THEM RIGHT THERE. ONE OF THEM RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT APART AND SEE. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT A FILLER IN OR JUST TAKE THE EXTERIOR WHERE THE FLUTE IS AND PUT IT ON TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON AND THEN WRAP IT ALL THE WAY AROUND WITH A SIMILAR MATERIAL, WHICH WOULD BE BRASS, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA BRINGING UP. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. MOOKA, THIS MOTION IS TO HAVE A D R C? YES. I'LL SAY AYE CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. YOU'LL GET WITH EDWARD AND HE'LL SCHEDULE THAT, UH, D R C WITH US. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 16. AGENDA ITEM 15 WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 H D R C CASE 2023 DASH 2 92 19 0 6 WEST GRAMERCY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 240 SQUARE FOOT REAR PATIO STRUCTURE WITH METAL POSTS AND A METAL ROOF. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE, THAT THE PATIO STRUCTURE INSTALLATION BE FULLY REVERSIBLE AND THAT IT IS DETACHED AND SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING C AND UPDATED SITE PLAN AND ELEVATION DRAWINGS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A TWO, THAT THE, THAT THE PATIO COVER FEATURES WOULD CONSTRUCTION AND AN ALTERNATE ROOFING MATERIAL THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. BASED ON FINDING D THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. UM, AS A CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THIS AFTERNOON PHOTOS SHOWING THAT THE PATIO STRUCTURE WAS FULLY CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE STOP WORK ORDER. SO I WILL SHOW THOSE PHOTOS NOW. UM, THE APPLICANT, MARK RODRIGUEZ IS WITH US IN PERSON AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THIS CASE. HELLO, I'M MARK RODRIGUEZ, OWNER OF 1906 WEST GRAMERCY. UH, CURRENTLY MY DAUGHTER LIVES THERE. UH, IT WAS RECENTLY MY MOTHER'S HOME FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. UH, THE MATERIALS THAT WERE IN QUESTION, THEY WANTED, UH, WOOD AND SHINGLE. UM, UNFORTUNATELY IN THAT AREA, EVERYTHING, UH, OR THAT PROPERTY ACTUALLY CAUGHT FIRE AND IT WAS REAL FAST FIRE BECAUSE OF THE MATERIALS USED. UH, FOR THE FACT OF THAT WE MADE SURE THAT THE PATIO COVER IS DETACHED AND IS USING MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT FLAMMABLE. WE'RE USING STEEL UPRIGHT POST THAT ARE QUARTER INCH THICK. OUR PANEL COLOR MATCHED TO THE HOUSE, TO THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE. UH, I THINK THE PHOTOS DON'T ACTUALLY SHOW THE TOP, BUT THERE IT IS MATCHING TO THE COLOR OF THE ROOF. UM, IT, UH, TO ME IT ADDS VALUE, ADDS, UH, STRENGTH. UH, IT WON'T SHIFT WITH THE PROPERTY ONCE THAT PROPERTY SHIFTS 'CAUSE IT DOES SHIFT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS. UH, IT MOVES AROUND AND, UM, MORE, MORE IMPORTANTLY, KNOW THAT IT'S NOT FLAMMABLE. [01:05:01] AND SO, BEING MY DAUGHTER LIVING THERE AND MY MOTHER, UH, GOING THROUGH A FIRE THERE JUST A FEW YEARS BACK PRIOR TO HER PASSING, UH, WAS NOT A GOOD THING. SO I, I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE MATERIAL THAT, UH, THAT ARE PRESENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. AGENDA ITEM 16 19 0 6 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE, CASE NUMBER 20 23 2 9 2. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER, MEMBER OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE NINE MEMBER M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS POST OFFICE BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR INVESTING IN THEIR HOME. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NEW INSTALLATION OF A REAR PATIO COVER. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO BASED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE ITEM ONE, THAT IT'S REVERSIBLE AND DETACHED AND SUBORDINATE. WOULD STAFF AGREE THAT THAT HAS BEEN MET? I WOULD SAY SO. I THINK THAT THE PATIO COVER IS BUILT, UH, CLOSE TO THE REAR ELEVATION, BUT IT IS DETACHED FROM THE REAR ELEVATION. OKAY. SO THEN THE, UM, OTHER STIPULATIONS, UH, WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND AN ALTERNATE ROOF MATERIAL, UM, AS WELL AS THE SETBACKS, UH, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO VERIFY THAT YOU'RE WITHIN THE YES SIR. PROPERTY SETBACKS? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO BASICALLY THE, UH, WHAT'S IT IN QUESTION NOW IS THE MATERIAL AND OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE ROOFING. SO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, JUST, UH, IS, IS, IS WOOD CLADDING AN OPTION ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT? STAFF? THE STIPULATION, UH, WOULD BE FOR WOOD POST CONSTRUCTION AND THEN A ROOFING MATERIAL THAT'S MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MATERIALS TRADITIONALLY FOUND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO NOT OUR PANEL METAL ROOFING. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BAKER, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, THIS IS IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. SO IT'S NOT OBSERVABLE FROM THE STREET? YES, SIR. AND UM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN IF THERE'S A HISTORY OF THE PAST FIRE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT'S A QUALITY CONSTRUCTION JUST BASED OFF WHAT I'VE SEEN. I I, I THINK IT'S ATTRACTIVE FROM MY PERSONAL AESTHETIC STANDPOINT. SO I, I WOULD, UM, I, I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF APPROVING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT, UH, THAT IT, UH, THAT THE STAFF CONFIRMS THAT IT MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. IT, IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE. MA'AM, COULD YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? THANK YOU. SORRY, I'M NEW TO THIS PROCESS. YES, IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. OKAY. MY NAME, JOY BUILDER BACK. I LIVE NEXT DOOR, 19 0 2 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE AND IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE CONSTRUCTION. IT, IT LOOKS NICE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, THAT THE H D R C APPROVES THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT THEY CAN, THAT THE STAFF CONFIRMS THAT IT MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WITH NO OTHER STIPULATIONS. SECOND MOTION IS SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? HAVE A ROLL CALL. PLEASE GIVE GIBBS. AYE. MOOKA? AYE. CARPENTER NAY. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER? AYE. AND FETZER? NAY. I THINK STAFF HAD THIS CORRECT, BUT, UH, MOTION CARRIES. [01:10:01] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK, THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE LAST AGENDA ITEM, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. STAY SAFE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.