* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] ALL. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I THINK WE HAVE, UH, [ Roll Call  ] ALL OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE WORK SITUATED. TIME IS 2:06 PM ON THE THIRD DAY OF AUGUST, 2023. AND WE'LL CALL OUR ZONING AGENDA TO ORDER. MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU READ THE ROLE COUNCIL MEMBER KORE PRESENT? I'M SORRY. PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER MICKEY RODRIGUEZ. PRESENT, COUNCIL MEMBER VRAN. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CAVEO VARDA. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ALTE. CTO. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ELA. COUNCIL MEMBER. COURAGE PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER WHITE. HERE. MAYOR NIERENBERG. HERE. MAYOR. WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UH, WELCOME [Public Hearing and Consideration of the following Adoption and Amendments of the Neighborhood, Community and Perimeter Plans as Components of the Master Plan and Zoning Cases. Plan amendments and Zoning cases presented by Roderick Sanchez, Assistant City Manager; Michael Shannon, Director, Development Services unless otherwise noted.  ] TO OUR ZONING AGENDA. UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS TODAY THAT ARE GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO VARIOUS DATES. UH, WE ALSO HAVE FOUR ITEMS LISTED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. THOSE ARE ITEMS 2, 3, 17 AND 19. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WOULD BE CONTINUED IN MASS TO AUGUST 17TH. THOSE ARE ITEMS 12, 16, AND 28. ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE WILL BE CONTINUED TO SEPTEMBER 7TH, AND THEN ITEM 21 WILL BE CONTINUED TO SEPTEMBER 12TH. EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA WILL BE HEARD, UH, ON CONSENT. AND SO OTHER THAN THOSE ITEMS I JUST READ, THAT WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY OR THOSE ITEMS THAT WILL BE CONTINUED. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS TO BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY THAT WILL PULL OFF OF CONSENT? I'LL ASK FOR THOSE. NOW. THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY THING ELSE GONNA CLARIFY IS THE ITEM NUMBER 21 IS GONNA BE CONTINUED TO SEPTEMBER 21ST. OH, I THOUGHT I SAID THAT. I'M SORRY. YEAH, FOR, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, ITEM 21 WILL BE CONTINUED TO SEPTEMBER 21ST. YES, SIR. SO ANY FURTHER ITEMS TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION NOW FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT ZONING AGENDA. AND THAT'S ITEMS 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 18, 20, 22, 23, 24, AND 25, 26, 27, 29, AND 30. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THOSE ITEMS. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF OUR CONSENT ZONING AGENDA. UH, WE DO HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON CONSENT ITEMS. SO LET ME CALL THOSE FOLKS NOW. WE'LL START WITH JACK FINGER ON ALL OF THEM THREE MINUTES FOR THE WHOLE AGENDA, JACK. OKAY. MARINE BERG, OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR ILLUSTRIOUS SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JACK M. FINGER AND I, I WANNA WELCOME, UH, MISS, UH, DISTRICT ONE, DR. CARR. AND, UH, MS. GOTO FROM DISTRICT SEVEN TO, TO TWO OUR CITY COUNCIL. IT'LL BE QUITE, QUITE A RIDE YOU YOU'LL BE TAKING HERE. A FEW ITEMS I WISH TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION ON THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA IN, UM, IN MS. CASTILLO, JUST YOU HAVE A ALCOHOL VARIANCE IN, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE ST. JAMES CATHOLIC SCHOOL THERE. UM, I WISH YOU WOULDN'T, UH, UH, ALLOW ALCOHOL TO BE JACK. I'M GONNA CALL YOU UP FOR THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. SO GO AHEAD ON THE CONSENT, UH, AGENDA ITEMS. YEAH. UH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. UH, WELL, UH, NUMBER ONE IS NOT GOING TO, IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING ABOUT IT THERE. UH, YEAH, ALCOHOL VARIANCE. I WISH YOU WOULDN'T, UH, ALLOW THE VARIANCE RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL THERE WITHIN 300 FEET WHERE THE, THE KIDS PLAY. I WISH YOU WOULD, COULD RECONSIDER THAT ONE ALSO. UM, ITEM NUMBER 13, AND MR. MR. MCKEE RODRIGUEZ, YOUR DISTRICT SIR, UH, OVER ON MARTIN LUTHER KING DRIVE, YOU'RE GOING TO THE IDEA OF PLACING FOUR DWELLING UNITS, RIGHT? UH, SHOEHORNING THEM RIGHT NEXT TO, UH, THAT ONE OF THOSE LOTS OVER THERE. IT'S WHEN IT'S REALLY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. I I THINK THAT THAT, UH, IS A MISPLACEMENT OF THOSE DWELLING UNITS, SIR. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT TOO INTENSE THERE. ALSO, UH, ITEM NUMBER 18, UH, IN, UM, MISS, UH, UH, VIA GRANDS DISTRICT. YES, MA'AM. OVER ON EAST SHANO ROAD. YOU'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING A CAR WASH THERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S, BUT THERE'S NO BUFFER [00:05:01] BETWEEN THAT CAR WASH AND THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES NEARBY THERE. UM, I THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA TO TRY AND WHEN YOU'RE LIVING RIGHT NEXT TO A CAR WASH, MS. MS. VILLAGRANDE, I, I, UH, HAVING TO SEE THE TRAFFIC AND NOISE, UH, CONTINUALLY THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND NIGHT. UH, THAT'S A VERY BAD IDEA, AND I WISH YOU WOULD SAY NO TO THAT ONE. UH, ALSO, UH, ITEM NUMBER 24 AND 25 OVER IN, UM, MS. MS. GOTO, YOUR, YOUR DISTRICT THERE. YEAH. UM, THE IDEA OF OVER THERE ON BANDERA ROAD, PLACING AN INDUSTRIAL INDU INDUSTRIAL INTENSE INDUSTRIAL USE INTENSITY RIGHT NEXT TO THE, UH, WELL, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE BINGO PARLOR THERE, UH, IT, IT, IT REALLY, I THINK IT'S JUST GET GETTING A BIT TO, TO TOO MUCH FOR THAT AREA. UH, I, I DON'T, IT'S REALLY A BAD IDEA WHEN YOU PLACE IT THERE. AND FINALLY IN, UH, 29 AND 30 ARE ALSO A BAD IDEA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FINGER. ALSO, UH, VELMA PENA. MS. PENA, ARE YOU HERE? VELMA, YOU'RE SPEAKING ON ITEM 22 THAT'S ON CONSENT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT, MS. PENA, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY MITSUKO RAMOS ON ITEMS 24 AND 25. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. I WAS JUST HERE TO SUPPORT. WE'RE HERE. I'M HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, ITEM NUMBER 22. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. PENA. UH, MITSUKO RAMOS, ARE YOU HERE? YOU YIELD YOUR TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU, MITSUKO. ALRIGHT, THAT'S EVERYONE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA REMAIN ON CONSENT TODAY. SO, UH, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT ZONING AGENDA. YOU HEARD ME READ THE NUMBERS. UH, IS THERE ANY COUNCIL DISCUSSION? OKAY. HEARING NONE. OKAY. UM, WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TABLET ISSUE HERE TO, SO, UH, LET ME TAKE A VOICE, VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE CONSENT ZONING AGENDA, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. 10 ZERO. WE'LL GO NOW TO OUR ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED TO AUGUST 17TH. I HAVE ITEMS 12, 16 AND 28. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR CONTINUING THOSE ITEMS TO AUGUST 17TH. SECOND, THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FOR CONTINUING THOSE ITEMS TO AUGUST 17TH. UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS. UH, I'LL REMIND YOU THAT NO ACTION IS BEING TAKEN TODAY. THESE ARE GONNA BE CONTINUED, BUT I'LL ASK IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THEM. YOU'RE WELCOME TO, UH, FIRST WE HAVE, UH, JACK FINGER, THE CONTINUANCE. JACK, YOU'RE ON BOTH 12 AND 28. VERY GOOD, MR. MAYOR. UM, 12. ITEM NUMBER 12 Z 12. ALRIGHT. I CALL IT Z 12. USED TO BE CALLED Z 12 TO REFER TO THE ZONING CASES THERE. UM, UM, MR. ONCE AGAIN, MR. MCKEE RODRIGUEZ, THAT'S IN YOUR, YOUR DISTRICT THERE, OVER THERE AT, UH, FUENTE ALLEY. YOU HAVE, UH, AS MANY AS YOU'RE GOING TO TRY AND PLACE SIX DWELLING UNITS. YEAH. SIX DWELLING UNITS, RIGHT, RIGHT OVER THERE. AND, UH, THE DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OPPOSED THAT, SIR? WHY DID THEY DO IT? WELL, I GUESS THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A BIT TOO INTENSE. YES. UH, IT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY TO SHOEHORN A LOT, LOT OF UNITS JUST INTO ONE LITTLE LOT. AND, UH, IT GETS A LITTLE, LITTLE HARD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND WHO LIVE ON THAT PROPERTY. AND FOR THOSE SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, UH, THEY, THEY SAY WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? I DON'T, WE HAVE SPACES TO LIVE IN AROUND HERE. UH, ONCE AGAIN, 12. AND DID YOU SAY 28, MR. MAYOR? YES, SIR. OKAY. QUITE A FEW WITH THE 30 , 30 ITEMS HERE. 28. [00:10:01] THE, UM, IS ALSO, THAT'S IN ONCE AGAIN, MR. UH, MR. PALAI, YOUR DISTRICT, SIR? YES. OVER ON, UH, PETITE STREET, THERE IS A, A, A PLAN TO, UH, HAVE AS MUCH AS UP TO 123 LITTLE APARTMENT UNITS. 123. AND, UH, WELL, THIS IS OVER AT THE, UH, I NOTICED, SIR, IN THE NOTICES GOING OUT, 28 NOTICES WENT OUT, UH, AS MANY AS 10% OF THE PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED THOSE. NOTICE THAT THOUGHT IT, IT WAS ALSO A BAD IDEA. UM, THE, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE AS MUCH AS 10% OR MORE PEOPLE SPEAKING, UH, SAYING NO, THEY DON'T WANT IT. THAT'S ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANT, SIR. UH, TWO PEOPLE SPOKE AGAINST IT, THAT THE ZONING HEARING, SIR. WHY? BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE MULTI-FAMILY, FAMILY APARTMENT, UH, BEING PLACED RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THEY LIVE. IT, IT IS JUST NOT, UH, IT'S, I COULD SAY IT'S RIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE IT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. UH, I, I WOULD NOT WANT IT. IT IS JUST NOT COMPARE, UH, PART OF THE GENERAL, UH, PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, SIR. SO YOU REALLY NEED TO, WANT TO CONSIDER ON, ON THAT ONE. THAT WAS, WERE THERE ANY OTHERS, SIR? THAT, UM, AS 28? I GUESS THAT WAS IT. THERE, IS THAT RIGHT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. FINGER. ALRIGHT, THAT'S EVERYONE WHO SIGNED TO SPEAK ON ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED ON AUGUST 17TH. WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEMS 12, 16 AND 28. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 10 ZERO. RIGHT? UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND NINE WILL BE CONTINUED TO SEPTEMBER 7TH. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THOSE. SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE OF ITEM EIGHT AND NINE TO SEPTEMBER 7TH. UM, STEVEN STIEG, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. HE'S NOT HERE. UM, JACK FINGER. JACK, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT, THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO WALK SO MUCH. HEY, TONIGHT. OKAY. THE, UH, MAYOR BERG, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, UH, MY NAME IS JACK M. FINGER INTO MS. GTO. AND, UH, MS. KARP, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THERE ARE SOME THINGS WHEN YOU DEALING WITH ZONING CASES, THERE ARE SOME, WHAT I CALL RED FLAGS THAT OCCUR WHEN YOU SEE, UH, A CASE WHERE THE, UM, WHERE THERE'S BOTH THE STAFF, STAFF SAYS IT'S A BAD IDEA. THEY SAY THEY MOTION FOR DENIAL ON IT. UH, WHEN THE, WHEN THE, UM, THE ZONING COMMISSION, THE THOSE APPOINTED TO, UH, BY THE YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON AND YOUR REPRESENTATIVE AND THE COMMISSION SAY THEY, THEY RECOMMEND DENIAL. THAT IS, UH, A RED FLAG. WHEN YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT WEIGHS IN ON IT AND SAYS THEY OPPOSE IT, THAT'S A RED FLAG WHEN YOU SEE AS MANY AS, UH OH. UH, AND THE NOTICES THAT WENT OUT AROUND THE, THE PEOPLE LIVING 200 FEET WITHIN THE, THE, THE AREA, AND AS MANY AS SAY ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 10% SAY THEY DON'T WANT IT, THEY, THEY, UH, OPPOSE IT. THAT IS SIGNIFICANT AGAINST. YES. UH, YOU DON'T, UH, THAT IS ALSO CONSIDERED A RED FLAG. SO, YES. SO ANYWAY, I ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND NINE, THE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE, UH, AND THE ACTUAL CASE ONCE AGAIN IN, UH, MR. MCKEE RODRIGUEZ'S AREA. WELL, SIR, OVER ON, UM, GRAYSON STREET, MY GOODNESS, , YOU HAVE, UH, THE, THE PLAN TO PUT 50 DWELLING APARTMENTS. NOW YES, IT MAY, MIKE, YOU MAY WANT TO TRY AND CONTINUE IT, SIR, BUT I SUGGEST, SIR, SINCE IT'S SUCH A BAD IDEA, WHY NOT JUST SAY NO TO IT RIGHT HERE NOW? YEAH, THE, UM, THE STAFF, ZUNI STAFF SAID THEY WANTED, IT [00:15:01] SHOULD BE DENIED. WHY? WELL, THE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD YES, ARE INCONSISTENT WITH, IN THEIR WORDS, CONSISTENT WITH, INCONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AREAS PATTERN. IT WILL BE TOO DENSE, HOW DENSE TOO DENSE BY TWO TO THREE TIMES COMPARED TO THE OTHER AREAS. THERE YOU HAVE AS MUCH AS, UH, 50 NOTICES WENT OUT AND, AND AS MANY AS OVER, OVER 10%, 14% SAID, NO, PLEASE DO NOT PUT, PUT THIS OVER HERE. SO, UH, THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY, I WOULD SUGGEST, SIR, THAT YOU SAY, WHY NOT JUST SAY NO TO THE WHOLE THING RIGHT HERE NOW? HMM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FINGER. ALL RIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION, A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE OF ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE TO SEPTEMBER 7TH. ANY COUNCIL DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 10 ZERO. AND NOW ITEM 21 WILL BE CONTINUED TO SEPTEMBER 21ST. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THAT SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE OF ITEM 21 TO SEPTEMBER 21ST. UH, IS JERRY DAWOOD HERE? MR. DAWOOD, THIS IS GONNA BE HEARD ON SEPTEMBER, UH, 21ST. UH, YOU WERE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO IT NOW OR, OR WAIT? YES, PLEASE. OKAY. COME ON UP. UH, HELLO. MY NAME IS JERRY DAWOOD. UM, I WAS JUST CALLING BECAUSE, UH, IN BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT ON GILLETTE STREET, RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE HAVING THIS, UH, ZONING, UH, PROPOSAL, AND I HAVE, UH, A CONSENSUS ABOUT OVER THREE QUARTERS, ABOUT 80% OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO OPPOSE IT. RIGHT? I HAD THEIR SIGNATURES AND THEIR, UH, PHONE NUMBERS AND THEIR NAME. RIGHT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MOST OF 'EM CANNOT MAKE IT. THEY'RE ELDER PEOPLE WORK, RIGHT? AND I'M TAKING TIME OUTTA MY TIME AND MY DAYS LIKE Y'ALL GUYS AND, AND, UH, HAVING TO CARRY THE CONSCIENCE RIGHT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE OPPOSE IT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE KIND OF KNOW WE ALREADY GOT ENOUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, CRIME, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, HOMELESSNESS AND, AND AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF DRUG ADDICTS GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREET ALL DAY RIGHT? THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. AND IF THEY WANNA PUT 60 MORE DWELLINGS IN THAT LITTLE AREA, AND, AND, AND ALSO IT'S GOOD, IT'S BEHIND MY, MY BACKYARD TOO, RIGHT? I'M VERY INSECURE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I HAVE AN AC BUSINESS, I HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS AND STUFF AND, AND, UH, I CAN'T PROTECT MY HOUSE 24 7 FROM PEOPLE. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BUILD US ANYWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THE OTHER GUY WAS SAYING, THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AND LIBERTY, THE OUTSKIRTS, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, UH, WE JUST DON'T LIKE IT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? TO CARRY THE CONSTANT CONSCIENCE. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU DO DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, THE, THEY HAVE A LOT OF RATS AND POSSUMS AND SNAKES, RACCOON AND INSECTS THAT COME OUT. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DISPERSE. THEY'RE GONNA GO INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? WE ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT. I'VE BEEN HAVING TO DISPLACE A LOT OF RACCOONS AND PAULSONS, RIGHT? I HAVE THE LITTLE CAGES. IT'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT, RIGHT? UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND WE JUST, UM, UM, WE JUST ALL OPPOSE IT, YOU KNOW? UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHOSE DISTRICT THAT MAY BE OR, OR WHAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO ANYBODY'S DISTRICT, YOU KNOW. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE YOUR DISTRICT, MR. COURAGE? NO. OKAY. FOUR. OKAY. UM, BUT, UM, BUT I, I WAS ALSO SPEAKING WITH, UM, UM, EXCUSE ME, WITH, UH, THOMAS ESI AND ANNA HERNANDEZ. THEY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED ME TO CARRY THEIR CONSCIENCE AS WELL 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT AS WELL. SO, UM, MR. HERNANDEZ AND, AND MRS. HERNANDEZ AND MR. ESI IS ALSO GONNA DEAL WITH THE HARLANDALE DISTRICT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTRICT THREE OR SOMETHING. SO THIS IS DISTRICT FOUR THAT WE'RE IN, I GUESS. SO THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO COORDINATE TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO, YOU KNOW, TO OPPOSE IT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, UM, MR. DAY WOOD. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU MR. MURRAY. ALRIGHT, UH, JACK FINGER, MAYOR NURNBERG, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. ONCE AGAIN, I AM JACK FINGER AND, UH, ITEM NUMBER, UH, 21. THIS IS OVER IN, UH, MS, UH, ROCHA GARCIA'S DISTRICT. I, SHE'S NOT HERE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S, UH, REPRESENTING HER FOR THIS ONE, BUT, UH, WHOEVER IT IS, I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, IF YOU WOULD TELL HER THAT SHE, I REALLY DO THINK THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONTINUED. IT, IT'S A PRETTY BAD IDEA AS THEY SAY, BECAUSE, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA TRY AND PLACE OVER ON GILLETTE BOULEVARD. YOU'RE GONNA TRY AND PLACE 64, AS THEY SAY, DWELLING UNITS OR APARTMENTS. ONE LITTLE PLACE THERE. YEAH. THE, UH, [00:20:01] I'M LOOKING AT THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS ON IT. IT SAID THAT IT'S GONNA, IT IS, UH, USES LIKE THIS WITH PREMIERED USES OF 64 DWELLING UNITS SUCH AS THIS, UH, I THINK IT'S, WHAT IS IT? M I D Z IN INFIELD DEVELOPMENT ZONE. WE SUCH LIKE USERS LIKE THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE AND IS, AND LIKE I SAY, SOMETHING AS INTENSE AS 64 UNITS IS JUST PRACTICALLY ACROSS THE STREET, YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES THERE. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, THIS IS JUST NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A, IT REALLY IS, AS I, AS I SAY, A BAD IDEA. AND I THINK, UH, AND THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO LIVE THERE FOR ETERNITY. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU ARE HERE ONLY 1, 1 1 DAY OUT OF MAYBE TWO YEARS FOR, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND, AND YOU MAKE THESE DECISIONS, BUT OTHERS HAVE TO LIVE AT THESE PLACES FOREVER. AND I REALLY THINK THAT YOU SHOULD CON CONSIDER THIS WHEN YOU MAKE THAT DECISION. HOPEFULLY A NO DECISION AS EARLY AS TODAY. YES. OH, AND, UM, AND MR. WHITE, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF VOTES AGO, I MEANT, JUST MEANT TO TELL YOU. I, I THOUGHT THAT, UH, AREA RIGHT, UH, WITH WAS A BIT TOO, TOO INTENSE, UH, UH, WITH THE INDUSTRIAL AREA THERE. UH, BAD IDEA, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. FINGER. ALL RIGHT, UH, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE OF ITEM 21 TO SEPTEMBER 21ST. ANY COUNCIL DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. UH, 10 ZERO. WE'LL MOVE NOW TO OUR INDIVIDUAL ZONING ITEMS. WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A LARGE AREA REZONING FOR WESTWOOD SQUARE. THERE ARE VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE BEING CHANGED TO R ONE TO THROUGH R SIX, R THREE, R FOUR, R FIVE, AND R SIX CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR 2 3 4 DWELLING UNITS. RMM FOUR M F 18, MF 25 IDZ TWO WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO AND A AND TWO DWELLING UNITS. I ONE C ONE C TWO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY AUTO GLASS SALES AND INSTALLATION, AUTO BODY AND PAINT FOOD PRODUCTS AND PROCESSING MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, C TWO N NA C TWO N A S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A PARTY HOUSE RECEPTION AND MEETING HALL C TWO N A C D WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY, A FUNERAL HOME AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK REPAIR, AUTO PAINT AND BODY MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND VEHICLE STORAGE. C THREE NA C THREE N A S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY AND C THREE R. THIS IS GENERALLY BOUNDED BY SOUTH ACME ROAD TO THE WEST HIGHWAY 90 TO THE SOUTHWEST NORTH 19TH STREET TO THE EAST IN CASTROVILLE ROAD TO THE NORTH. STAFF AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS AMENDED FOR 4 24 COUPLES ROAD 2 0 2 AND 2 31 AON AVENUE TO MF 18 AND 1814 CASTRO ROAD TO REMAIN UNCHANGED. 2,810 NOTICES MAILED ONE IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED WESTWOOD SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND EL CHARO ASSOCIATION IS, ARE IN SUPPORT. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE DO HAVE TWO CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON, ON THIS ITEM. UH, JACK FINGER. MR. FINGER, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY VELMA PENA. I BELIEVE THIS IS, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER TWO. IS THAT RIGHT MR. MAYOR? YES. ITEM. WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EARLY, UM, CHRISTMAS PRESENT. I, I DON'T THINK I SIGNED UP ON THIS ONE, SO I, I'LL PASS ON IT. THANK YOU. I'M NOT GONNA CORRECT YOU JACK, BUT OPINION GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. I'M VELMA PENA WITH THE WESTWOOD SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'M THE PRESIDENT AND I'M HERE BECAUSE WE ARE IN SUPPORT IN THIS LARGE AREA REZONING. WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS AND THEY WERE WELL ATTENDED, MASSIVE, UH, UM, MAIL OUTS SO EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND I ALSO WANNA THANK THE PLANNING TEAM. THEY DID AN AWESOME JOB WORKING WITH US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. PENA. THIS IS IN DISTRICT FIVE, COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO. [00:25:01] THANK YOU MAYOR. AND I ALSO WANTED TO EXPRESS MY THANKS TO THE PLANNING TEAM FOR FACILITATING THESE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESSES IN, UH, MULTIPLE LARGE AREA REZONING, UH, PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO THANK Y'ALL. UM, WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE WESTWOOD SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE, UH, HELPED INITIATE THIS PROCESS PRIOR TO ME BEING IN OFFICE AND HAVE BEEN PERSISTENT IN ENSURING THAT IT MOVES FORWARD. UM, SO THANK YOU TO THE WESTWOOD SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS TO CITY STAFF FOR HELPING TO MOVE THAT FORWARD. UH, WITH THAT I MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM AS AMENDED. SECOND. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO AS AMENDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 10 ZERO. ITEM NUMBER THREE, AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS ALSO A LARGE AREA REZONING FOR PROSPECT HILL REZONING VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS TO R ONE THROUGH R SIX, R TWO, R THREE, R FOUR, R FIVE, AND R SIX CD WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR 2, 3, 4, EXCUSE ME, TWO, THREE OR FOUR DWELLING UNITS. RMM FOUR, RMM FIVE, RMM SIX, MF 33 ID Z TWO NC NC S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT C ONE C TWO C TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR BAIL BOND AGENCY C THREE L AND I ONE, GENERALLY BOUNDED BY THE GEN NORTH GENERAL, MCMULLEN STREET, CALIBRA ROAD, WEST MARTIN STREET, WEST COMMERCE STREET, SOUTHWEST 24TH STREET, SOUTHWEST 26TH STREET, CASTRO ROAD, GUADALUPE STREET, SOUTH ZAMORA, AND NORTH KAMAL STREET, STREET. STAFF AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS AMENDED FOR 33 11 SAUNDERS TO OUR SIX CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR UNITS. THE FOLLOWING TO REMAIN UNCHANGED. 1 0 4 SOUTHWEST 20TH STREET, 2211 WEST SALINAS, 35 22. SAN FERNANDO STREET, 37 15 WEST COMMERCE, 30 11 WEST CAESAR CHAVEZ BOULEVARD, AND 1921 BEEZ STREET, 5,682. NOTICES MAILED SEVEN IN FAVOR, SIX OPPOSED. PROSPECT HILL, GARDENDALE WEST HOPE AND ACTION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARE IN SUPPORT. AND THERE WAS ONE OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY IN, IN SUPPORT. GREAT, THANK YOU. THERE IS ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. UH, RUSSELL PHELAN. RUSSELL LAN, PRESIDENT OF THE PROSPER KILLER ASSOCIATION. I JUST WANTED TO THANK A FEW PEOPLE THAT HELPED US OUT TO DO THIS. THE GUADALUPE THEATER DONATED, UH, THE, UH, PHARMACY BUILDING FOR US TO HAVE ALL OUR MEETINGS. ALBERT ESTA STEPPED IN TO KIND OF HELP EVERYBODY IN CASE THEY HAD ANY QUESTIONS, UH, ON HIS OWN TIME. AND THEN, UH, MARY ROS ALSO JOINED A LITTLE BANDWAGON IN CASE ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS. SHE'S MORE RECOGNIZABLE THAN MYSELF. NOBODY KNOWS WHO I AM, BUT AT LEAST EVERYTHING WORKED OUT ALL RIGHT. AND, UH, I THINK WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS FOR ANYTHING. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STOPPING BY MY OFFICE WITH QUESTIONS AND I'D BE ABLE TO HELP THEM OUT. SO I THINK EVERYTHING WENT WITHOUT A GLITCH, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PHELAN. THIS IS IN DISTRICTS ONE AND FIVE, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO. THANK YOU MAYOR, AND THANK YOU RUSSELL, UM, FOR THE ADVOCACY OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS WELL. UH, AND THE PLANNING TEAM. A LOT OF ROBUST CONVERSATIONS AT THE DOORS, CONSTITUENTS ASKING QUESTIONS. SO WE'D FORWARD IT TO DEREK AND DEREK COULD FORWARD IT TO YOU ALL. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR Y'ALL'S PATIENCE AND THE WORK BEHIND THIS. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO A MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE AS AMENDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OCEAN CARRIES 10 ZERO. ITEM NUMBER 17, AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REZONING FROM C TWO NA TO C TWO SS WITH SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH. GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE 3000 BLOCK OF SOUTHEAST MILITARY DRIVE. STAFF AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT HAS AMENDED THE REQUEST TO ADD C TWO NA S WITH THE SPECIFIC USE AUTHORS AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH. 28 NOTICES MELDED ONE IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED MONTE VIEJO COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. HIGHLAND FOREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM HIGHLAND HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ALRIGHT, WE DO HAVE A FEW CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM 17. JACK FINGER. MR. FGO, YOU BE FOLLOWED BY GEORGE DANOWSKI. MAYOR EHRENBERG, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS JACK M FINGER AND, UH, ITEM NUMBER 17. THIS IS IN, UH, MS. VILLA GRANDE'S DISTRICT. [00:30:01] YES, MR. GRANDE. IT'S THE IDEA OF WANTING TO PLACE A CAR WASH OVER THERE ON THE SOUTHEAST MILITARY. WELL, THE HIGHLAND FOREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SAID THEY DID NOT WANT A CAR WASH THERE. WE ALL USE CAR WASHES OR WE, IF WE DON'T, UH, HAND WASH OUR OWN CARS, WE NEED 'EM, BUT WE JUST DON'T WANT 'EM IN OUR OWN BACKYARD. , UH, KIND OF QUITE A DILEMMA THERE. SO, UM, I COULD SEE A NEED FOR 'EM AND I COULD SEE A NEED AGAINST THEM, BUT, UM, IT WAS ALSO, I ALSO NOTICE THAT, UH, THERE ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S NO BUFFER BETWEEN THE CAR WASH AND THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES JUST PRACTICALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM 'EM THERE. UM, I THINK IT'S POOR PLANNING ON SOMEBODY'S PART. AND CONSEQUENTLY, I THINK YOU REALLY SHOULD SAY, SAY NO TO THIS ONE. YES. UM, ALSO, UM, THE, UH, JUST, UH, SOME OTHER HELPFUL, HENCE THE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, IF, IF YOU NEW FOLKS ON THE COUNCIL, IF YOU SEE, UH, UH, A A, THE, THE PLANNING PEOPLE SAYING THAT, UH, A CERTAIN PROPOSAL IS A BAD IDEA, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING STAFF, THOSE COUPLED WITH THE ZONING COMMISSION, THE ZONING STAFF, YOU'VE GOT SOME DOUBLE RED FLAGS THERE. ALSO, IF YOU SEE AT THE, WHEN YOU SEE NOTATION WHERE IT HAS PEOPLE SIGNING UP TO, UH, COMING, ACTUALLY SPEAKING OUT AT THE HEARINGS, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO OR THREE PEOPLE SHOWING UP TO, TO A ZONING HEARING FROM ALL ACROSS THE WAY ACROSS THE TOWN, THAT'S A SERIOUS CONTROVERSY ON YOUR HANDS THERE. SO THOSE ARE THINGS YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE IF YOU SEE, UM, UH, TRYING TO GET INFORMATION ON A PROPOSED ZONING CASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. FINGER. UH, GEORGE JANOWSKI AND FRANK ANO. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE SIGNED UP AS A GROUP. UH, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP TOGETHER, YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I'M LIEUTENANT BELLINO. I'M WITH THE CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT POLICE AND THIS IS CHIEF GEORGE ROMANOWSKI. WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. UH, THIS CAR WASS PROPOSED TO BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIGHLAND FOREST ELEMENTARY. AND OUR CONCERN IS TRAFFIC AND OF COURSE, THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN THAT COMES WITH THAT TRAFFIC. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK. ONE OF, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST HERE TO GO ON RECORD WITH OUR CONCERNS WITH THE TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY OF OUR STUDENTS. UH, AT THE PRESENT TIME. WE HAVE GRIDLOCK IN FRONT OF THAT SCHOOL, BOTH MORNINGS AND AFTERNOONS. UH, OUR VOTERS PASSED A BOND LAST YEAR TO SPEND MONEY TO BUILD A NEW PARENT PICKUP, DROP OFF AREA IN THE REAR OF THE SCHOOL TO ALLEVIATE THAT TRAFFIC CONGESTION IN FRONT OF, UH, HIGHLAND FOREST ELEMENTARY. SPEAKING WITH OUR SUPERINTENDENT. HIS CONCERN IS ALSO WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC IMPACT AND FINANCIAL IMPACT WILL THE DISTRICT INCUR WITH THE BUILDING OF THIS, UH, CAR WASH. THAT IS OUR MAJOR CONCERNS. UH, I KNOW, I BELIEVE THERE HAS NOT BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE YET ON THIS, BUT I AM ASKING THE CITY MAYOR, CITY COUNCILS TO PLEASE WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS IF IT'S IMPACTING THE STUDENT SAFETY AND THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS AN ITEM IN DISTRICT THREE. COUNCIL MEMBER GRO. THANK YOU. WE HEARD FROM BOTH THE MONTE VIEJO, H O A AND THE HIGHLAND FOREST NA, THAT ARE THE SURROUNDING ASSOCIATIONS THAT ABUT THIS COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHEAST MILITARY DRIVE. WE KNOW THAT THERE IS SIGNIFICANT CONGESTION COMING FROM THE I 37 INTERCHANGES, WHICH WE URGENTLY NEED TO HELP. WE NEED HELP FROM TXDOT IN UPDATING THE DESIGN THERE. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING OFFICIALLY FROM EAST CENTRAL IN WRITING REGARDING THIS, UM, THIS ISSUE. BUT WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND SS A P D I KNOW, AND OUR SAFE OFFICERS ARE WORKING IN THAT AREA TO HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC, UM, CONGESTION THERE. IN REVIEWING THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PRO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S ONLY ACCESS FROM FR FAIR LAWN AND NOT ON MILITARY DRIVE, WHICH DOES NOT FURTHER EXACERBATE THE TRAFFIC FLOW SITUATION ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT REACHING OUT TO BOTH THE H O A AND THE REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS TO ADDRESS THEIR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. I WANNA THANK THE MONTE VIEJO, H O A FOR PREVIOUSLY WORKING WITH MY OFFICE IN ADDRESSING THE STRAY DOGS VE VEGETATION OVERGROWTH AND HOMELESSNESS OUTREACH EFFORTS MADE [00:35:01] BY THE CITY AT WHAT IS NOW CURRENTLY A VACANT LOT. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR AGREEING TO RETAIN THE NO ALCOHOL NA RESTRICTIONS ON THIS PROPERTY ALSO. SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE FOLLOWING MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 17. UH, AS AMENDED. UH, IS THERE ANY COUNCIL DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBER WHITE? YEAH. CAN WE HAVE THE, THE OFFICERS COME BACK UP BRIEFLY. CAN, CAN Y'ALL EXPLAIN MAYBE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WHAT, WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE HERE? WELL, AS OF RIGHT NOW, CONSUMMATE, UH, MORNING DROP OFF FOR THE SCHOOL, IT'S STACKED UP IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL ALL THE WAY TO MILITARY DRIVE. UH, WE HAVE CARS STACKING UP ON MILITARY DRIVE, GO, COMING NORTHBOUND, WAITING TO TURN INTO FAIR LAWN. UH, WE, THE LAST COUNT THAT I DID, APPROXIMATELY ALMOST 80 TO 90 CARS WILL BE STAGING IN THE MORNINGS, A LOT LESS, OF COURSE IN THE AFTERNOONS FOR THE PICKUPS. SO THAT'S WHY, UH, THE BOND WAS PASSED AND TO ALLEVIATE MAJORITY OF THAT TRAFFIC TO GO BEHIND THE SCHOOL AS A PICKUP. BUT WE STILL HAVE AN EXIT AND ENTRANCE OFF OF FAIR LAWN. SO THIS CAR WASH YOUR CONCERN IS MORE, MORE TRAFFIC AND, AND HOW'S THAT GONNA IMPACT, UM, THE FLOW THERE WITH THE SCHOOL? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S MOSTLY OUR CONCERNS AND ALSO THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT IF TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE IMPACTED, UM, I'M GONNA HAVE TO HIRE AND ANOTHER POLICE OFFICER TRA EXCUSE ME, DIRECT TRAFFIC BOTH MORNINGS AND AFTERNOON, THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED FOR IT. AND ARE THERE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREAS. YES SIR. I'M SORRY. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUDENTS CROSSING THE STREET THERE. YES, SIR. WE HAVE, UH, TWO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CROSS, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ON FAIR LAWN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDIVISION COMING OUT ONTO FAR LONG, FORGIVE ME, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE STREET. SO WE PROBABLY HAVE APPROXIMATELY ESTIMATED 20, 25 KIDS CROSSING. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I ASKED THESE QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I WAS ON THE ZONING COMMISSION OBVIOUSLY FOR THREE YEARS AND I'M NOT SURE I CAN REMEMBER AN INSTANCE WHERE, WHERE, UM, MEMBERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT CAME TO, UM, TO TALK ABOUT AN ISSUE LIKE THIS. SO, UM, I I GUESS IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN TO YOU ALL. YES, IT, IT, YES SIR, IT IS. UM, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY SUPERINTENDENT ABOUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. YEAH, I KNOW. A COUNCILWOMAN SAID THAT WE DID NOT RESPOND. WE BEING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I DON'T HAVE NO ANSWER FOR THAT. I JUST KNOW THAT, UH, SUPERINTENDENT REACHED OUT TO ME A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TO LOOK INTO THIS MATTER. UH, HE WAS REACHED OUT BY NEIGHBOR CONSTITUENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE BECAUSE IT IS, UH, WE'RE NOT OPPOSING IT OR GOING FORWARD, WE'RE NEUTRAL ON THAT SIDE. IT'S JUST THE SAFETY OF OUR KIDS IS OUR MAIN CONCERN. YEAH. WELL, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL AND, AND, UH, LIKE THE OWNER OF THE CAR, HOWEVER Y'ALL ZONING COMMISSION RULES ARE TO WORK WITH US AND, UH, WHEN Y'ALL DO DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IF IT'S GONNA REALLY IMPACT THOSE STUDENTS, JUST, JUST PUT A LITTLE MORE EFFORT INTO IT, IS BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. CAN I TALK WITH STAFF BRIEFLY? THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. SO A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE, A TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE DONE AT THE NEXT STAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHICH WILL BE PLATTING. OKAY. SO IT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET? THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND, AND THIS ISSUE WITH THE SCHOOL, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT STAFF FACTORED IN AND BEFORE IT GAVE ITS RECOMMENDATION? WELL, TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE. SO THE NEXT STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHICH IS THE PLATTING PROCESS, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT IS GOING ON CURRENTLY IN THE AREA WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT IT IS NOT THIS PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THOSE SITUATIONS. YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND. AND, BUT IT'S STAFF'S POSITION THAT THIS PIECE OF LAND, AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR IT IN THIS LOCATION WOULD BE A CAR WASH. THE PROPOSED APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. YES, SIR. AS AMENDED. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WHITE, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBER GRO, I, I I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE, UM, THE APPLICANT HERE. [00:40:01] IF YOU HAD COME UP AND JUST IN THE, IN THE NEXT PHASE, I'M, I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THESE OFFICERS HERE REGARDING THE TRAFFIC. UH, BUT DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THERE? WELL, NO, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A CAR WASH AND WHAT WE DO TO DETERMINE IF A TRAFFIC STUDY'S EVEN REQUIRED IS WE GO BY THE I T E TRIP GENERATION MANUAL. AND SO FOR A CAR WASH, THE I T E TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, I THINK WE'RE ABOUT 73 PEAK HOUR TRIPS, WHICH IS LOWER THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED EVEN FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY. SO WE WILL NOT HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY. NOW, SAY IF YOU HAD A MORE INTENSE USE, LIKE A RESTAURANT WHICH WOULD COME IN, COULD COME IN TOMORROW, UH, THAT WOULD GENERATE THE NEED FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY. SO CAR WASH OPENS AT NINE, I THINK IT CLOSES AT SEVEN, UH, PEAK TIMES ARE SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. SO I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, AND IF, IF THERE IS, I'M SURE WE CAN, OUR, MY OFFICE CAN REACH OUT, CORRECT? YES. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VERON, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I GUESS, UH, MY LAST QUESTION WOULD BE, GIVEN THE DISCUSSION UP, UP HERE IS IF THERE IS AN ISSUE THERE IS GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC STUDY COMPLETED. SO FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, AS THE ENGINEER WAS SPEAKING ABOUT IT, THE PEAK HOUR TRIPS ARE AT 72 OR 73. SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A TRIGGER FOR A FORMAL STUDY. THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC REVIEW, BUT IT WON'T BE A FORMAL STUDY, UH, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. IF THE PEAK HOUR TRIPS ARE AS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS DOING, WILL THERE BE ANY REQUIREMENTS PLACED ON THE DEVELOPMENT IF THAT STUDY OR THAT UH, TRIP, UM, ANALYSIS REVEALED SOME PROBLEMS? IF THERE, IF A STUDY IS REQUIRED, THERE MAY BE SOME MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE LOOKED INTO, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A RIGHT TURN DESAL LANE OR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AT THIS TIME, ACCORDING TO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REFERRING TO, THE PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR THIS PRO PROJECT ARE UNDER THE REQUIREMENT FOR A STUDY. OKAY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE TO MEET OUR TRAFFIC STANDARDS FOR THE CITY. AND WHAT, UH, THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT IS WE HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF TRAFFIC THAT TRIGGER DIFFERENT ANALYSIS LEVELS. UM, IF YOUR PEAK HOUR TRIPS OR THE AMOUNT OF CARS GOING IN AND OUT ARE AT A LOW ENOUGH LEVEL, WHICH WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED YET WITH THE ENGINEER, WE WILL, THE CODE WILL ALLOW THEM JUST TO MITIGATE THROUGH SOME PRESCRIPTIVE METHODS IN THEIR DESIGN. AT A CERTAIN POINT, THEY'LL HAVE TO DO A HIGHER LEVEL OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, WHICH WE REFER TO AS A LEVEL ONE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. SO WE'LL REVIEW ALL THAT TO ENSURE IT MEETS THE CODE. BUT THE PROJECT WILL HAVE TO MEET OUR U D C TRAFFIC STANDARDS AGAIN, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY CARS ARE COMING INTO THAT. UH, I, I WILL AGREE THAT UH, CAR WASHES DON'T HAVE AS MUCH AS LET'S SAY A COFFEE SHOP IN THE MORNING. UH, SO THAT'S I THINK WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO. BUT WE'LL REVIEW ALL THAT TO ENSURE IT MEETS IT. SO WE LIKE TO SAY, YES, IT'LL HAVE A TRAFFIC REVIEW, WHAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS OR ENGINEERING WILL BE DICTATED BY THAT REVIEW. AND I THINK THE ENGINEER'S PROBABLY WORKING ON THAT. SOUNDS LIKE HE'S DONE SOME, YOU KNOW, INITIAL ANALYSIS, BUT, UH, MELISSA AND I AND OUR TEAMS WILL REVIEW ALL THAT DURING THE PROCESS. OKAY. WELL AND BEYOND THE NUMBERS, EVENTUALLY EVERY PROJECT'S ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SMELL TEST. YEAH. SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE CONCERNS THAT WERE LAID OUT? 'CAUSE I AGREE, I I, I CAN'T REMEMBER ANOTHER TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS CAME UP ON A ZONING CASE. WELL, CERTAINLY THIS IS GOOD. GOOD TO KNOW. UH, WE'LL CERTAINLY TALK WITH THE ENGINEER, BUT ANY PROJECT, ESPECIALLY THOSE NEAR SCHOOLS GET A LITTLE BIT EXTRA SCRUTINY. WE KNOW THE, UH, THE DROP OFF PICKUP WITH SCHOOLS, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY WE'LL BE WORKING WITH AND I THINK TO THE COUNCILMAN'S POINT, UH, THE ENGINEER AND OUR STAFF WILL BE WORKING WITH AND WE CAN WORK WITH THE, UH, THE OFFICERS AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. BUT, UH, WE'LL BE SURE TO DO THAT. YEAH. WELL, I CERTAINLY, UH, RECOGNIZE THE RIGHTS OF THE OWNER, UH, ON, ON THE ZONING PART OF THIS, BUT I, I DO HOPE ON THE STAFF FOLLOW UP THAT WE ARE MINDFUL OF WHAT WE JUST HEARD UP HERE. ABSOLUTELY. SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, PUBLIC COMMON STONE, SIR. THANK YOU. UH, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 17. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 19. AGENDA NUMBER 19 IS A REZONING FROM C THREE TO C THREE SS WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR TRUCK REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE LOCATED AT 9 0 0 3 SOUTHEAST [00:45:01] LOOP FOUR 10. STAFF AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT IS AMENDING TO C THREE NA S WITH THE SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR TRUCK AND REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE. SEVEN NOTICES MELDED ONE IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. ALRIGHT. WE DO HAVE ACTUALLY NO ONE'S SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, NOT EVEN JACK ON 19. SO LET'S MOVE STRAIGHT INTO DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER GRO, THANK YOU. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED. ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 19. ANY COUNCIL DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. I THINK THAT'S NINE. OH. ALRIGHT. THAT'S THE BALANCE OF OUR AGENDA. TIME IS 2:51 PM ON THE THIRD DAY OF AUGUST, 2023. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.