Apr 11, 2019 City Council A Session on 2019-04-11 9:00 AM

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I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

I'LL START BY RECOGNIZING A GREAT GROUP OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TODAY.

IN RECOGNITION OF THE MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD.

TODAY WE RECOGNIZE THE SACRIFICES OF OUR MILITARY FAMILIES AND ESPECIALLY THE SACRIFICES THE FAMILIES ENTIRELY, ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN ON BEHALF OF OUR NATION BY HONORING THE MILITARY MONTH OF THE CHILD.

THEY FACE MY CHALLENGES THAT THEIR COUNTER PARTS WILL NOT ENCOUNTER.

SUCH AS SEPARATION, FREQUENT MOVES, LOSS OF CLOSE FRIENDS AND THE ANXIETY OF CHANGING SCHOOLS MID YEAR.

MILITARY FAMILIES MOVE TEN TIMES MORE FREQUENTLY THAN CIVILIAN FAMILIES, AVERAGING TWO TO THREE YEARS.

THE ARCH -- AVERAGE MILITARY CHILD WILL CHANGE SCHOOLS SIX TO NINE TIMES.

MANY MILITARY FAMILIES HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR BELOVED PETS.

SINCE 9-1-1, MORE THAN 2 MILLION MILITARY CHILDREN HAVE SEEN ONE OR MORE PARENTS EMPLOYED TO IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN AT LEAST ONCE.

SINCE 9/11 MORE THAN 5200 SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN HAVE BEEN WOUNDED IN COMBAT AND AT LEAST 970,000 VETERANS HAVE SOME DEGREE OF OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED DISABILITY AS A RESULT OF OUR NATION'S WARS.

OVER 80% OF THE ACTIVE DUTY MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES WHO ARE STATIONED IN SAN ANTONIO DO NOT LIVE ON A BASE.

THEY LIVE IN THE TEN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS AROUND THE ALAMO REGION.

THEY ARE PART OF THE FABRIC OF THIS CITY.

TODAY WE ARE PROUD TO SHOW OUR FULL SUPPORT FOR OUR MILITARY FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY OUR MILITARY CHILDREN.

THEY ARE AMONG OUR NATION'S TREASURES AND WE VALUE THEM GREATLY.

AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN PERRY, WHO WILL PRESENT A PROCLAMATION.

>> PERRY: THANK YOU, SIR.

I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CALL UP MS. PHIPPS.

IF YOU COULD KIND OF TELL US ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND WHY ALL THE COLORS TODAY.

>> SIR, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

ON BEHALF OF LACKLAND ISD, RANDOLPH FIELD ISD, AND FORT SAM HOUSTON ISD, YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF OUR FAMILY BEHIND US, OUR MILITARY KIDS.

WE HAVE OVER 35,000 PLUS MILITARY STUDENTS THROUGHOUT THE SAN ANTONIO AREA, AS INDICATED.

AND THEY SERVE TOO RIGHT ALONGSIDE THEIR FAMILIES.

SO THIS MONTH IS IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO RECOGNIZE THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY

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YOU INDICATED SOME OF THOSE, THE CONSTANT TRANSITIONS, THE UNKNOWN, THE INSTABILITY OF WHAT TOMORROW BRINGS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT THEY ARE PREPARED AND THEY'RE VERY RESILIENT CHILDREN.

AND THEY SERVE TOO RIGHT ALONGSIDE THEIR MEMBERS.

SO, AGAIN, MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD IS APRIL AND WE'RE HERE TO CELEBRATE THAT WITH YOU AS WELL.

AND TOMORROW IS PURPLE UP DAY.

SO THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS DECLARED TOMORROW PURPLE UP DAY, AND ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS WE WILL BE TURNING IT PURPLE.

SO THAT IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO REPRESENT THE 35,000 STUDENTS THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO AREA THAT YOU SUPPOR.

AND WE THANK YOU TRULY FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THAT EVERYONE OFFERS FOR OUR MILITARY FAMILIES.

>> PERRY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.

AND I DO HAVE MY PURPLE SHIRT READY FOR TOMORROW.

SO I'LL BE PURPLED UP TOO.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE REALLY SHOULD APPRECIATE OUR MILITARY AND THEIR FAMILIES, ALONG WITH THE CHILDREN.

THERE IS A BIG SACRIFICE THAT GOES ALONG WITH BEING IN THE MILITARY AND THE FAMILIES THAT MOVE ALONG WITH THEIR PARENTS AROUND THE WORLD.

I WAS IN THE MILITARY.

I SPENT ALMOST 21 YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE.

AND I HAD THREE CHILDREN AS WELL.

AND WE MOVED FROM THE STATES.

WE WENT TO ENGLAND.

WE MOVED TO GERMANY AND WE MOVED BACK HERE TO THE STATES.

SO THAT TAKES A LOT.

IT'S A LOT OF STRESS ON THE FAMILIES.

IT'S A LOT OF STRESS ON THE CHILDREN.

AND EACH ONE OF YOU OUT THERE KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

CHANGING SCHOOLS, CHANGING FRIENDS.

SO, YEAH, I'M PROUD OF EACH ONE OF YOU HERE TODAY.

AND I HOPE THAT Y'ALL SPREAD THE WORD TO THE REST OF THE KIDS IN YOUR SCHOOLS THAT, YES, WE ARE VERY PROUD OF YOU AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.

AND I JUST WANT TO GO ON TO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE MILITARY CHILDREN.

MILITARY KIDS ARE MORE RESILIENT.

THEY GET ALONG WITH PEOPLE MORE BETTER THAN KIDS THAT DO NOT MOVE AND DO NOT HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN DIFFERENT CULTURES.

MORE ROUNDED.

AND, GUESS WHAT? EVEN HERE IN SAN ANTONIO WE'VE GOT LACKLAND, FORT SAM, AND RANDOLPH.

AND I HOPE EVERYBODY LISTENS TO THIS.

ALL THREE OF THOSE ISDS GOT THE HIGHEST RATING BY THE TEA.

I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THAT A BIG APPLAUSE HERE TODAY.

[APPLAUSE] AND HERE IS MILITARY CITY, USA.

WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT FACT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO HOST THE MILITARY FOLKS HERE AS WELL AS THE FAMILIES AND THE CHILDREN.

SO FROM SAN ANTONIO, WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE ALL THE MILITARY BRANCHES HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, EVEN THE NAVY.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY WATER HERE BUT WE STILL HAVE NAVY PEOPLE HERE, WHICH IS GREAT! BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE YOU AND TO RECOGNIZE ALL THREE OF OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND ALL THE CHILDREN IN ALL THE SERVICES THAT ARE GIVING TO OUR COUNTRY, JUST AS MUCH AS THE MILITARY MEMBER THEMSELVES.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY FOR COMING OUT HERE TODAY.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PERRY.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILMAN COURAGE.

>> COURAGE: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD MY CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU AS FAMILY MEMBERS WHO SUPPORT YOUR PARENTS AND THEIR SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY.

WE ALL DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MAKE A SACRIFICE TOO.

IT'S HARD TO BE AWAY FROM YOUR PARENTS FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME.

AND AS THE COUNCILMAN SAID, IT'S HARD TO MOVE.

I RAISED CHILDREN AUDIO] RECOGNIZE THE SACRIFICE YOU MAKE, BUT ALSO THE SUPPORT GREAT SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY.

THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR SUCCESS AND YOUR SCHOOLS AND ALSO, AS YOU MENTIONED, THOUSANDS OF OTHER STUDENTS WHO ARE IN THE OTHER PUBLIC SCHOOLS OF SAN ANTONIO WHO DO AS YOU DO, SUPPORTING YOUR FAMILIES AND HELPING SUPPORT OUR COUNTRY.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN COURAGE.

COUNCILMAN HALL.

>> HALL: I TOO WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN AND SAY THANK YOU, MS. PHIPPS, FOR RECOGNIZING THE KIDS, RECOGNIZING THEIR SACRIFICE AND THEIR ROLE IN SUPPORTING THE PARENTS.

A LOT OF TIMES I SPEAK ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR., BUT THEN I ALSO SPEAK ABOUT THE KIDS THAT GREW UP FATHERLESS, TO SUPPORT DID.

THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO MILITARY FAMILIES.

YOU KNOW, THE PARENTS GO AROUND DOING LOTS OF GREAT THINGS FOR OUR COUNTRY, BUT TOO OFTEN WE FORGET ABOUT THE FAMILY AS WELL.

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I'M A MILITARY KID AS WELL.

MY DAD DID 22 YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE.

MY BROTHER FOLLOWED HIM AND WENT TO WEST POINT AND DID HIS FIVE YEARS IN THE ARMY.

MY DAD DID A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SACRIFICE.

HE FOUND A MILITARY BASE THAT HAD -- THAT NOBODY WANTED TO GO TO, UP IN LUBBOCK, TEXAS.

HE WAS ABLE TO STAY THERE IN LUBBOCK FROM 5 YEARS OLD, AND THEY STILL LIVE IN THE SAME HOUSE WE GREW UP IN.

HE SACRIFICED A LITTLE BIT ON HIS SIDE SO THAT WE CAN IN AUDIO].

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HALL.

>> SANDOVAL: I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR COMING IN TODAY AND WISH YOU A HAPPY MILITARY FAMILY MONTH.

AND TO THE STUDENTS, GOOD JOB ON YOUR TESTING AND YOUR SCORES.

EVEN THOUGH YOUR FAMILIES MAY LEAVE US IN A FEW MONTHS OR YEARS, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT SAN ANTONIO WILL ALWAYS BE YOUR HOME AND YOU'LL ALWAYS BE WELCOME HERE.

SO, THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL.

COUNCILMAN BROCKHOUSE.

>> BROCKHOUSE: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

I WAS A MILITARY CHILD MYSELF.

MY MOTHER DEPLOYED TO OPERATION DESERT SHIELD, DESERT STORM WHEN I WAS 17.

SHE LEFT US FOR A YEAR AND WAS IN THE PANAMA INVASION.

MY FATHER WAS IN THE AIR FORCE.

WHEN I WAS SERVING I LEFT MY FAMILY AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I ALWAYS REMEMBER IS WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR RETIREMENTS AND PEOPLE LEFT THE SERVICE, THAT THE FAMILY WAS HONORED JUST AS MUCH AS THE PERSON RETIRING.

THE SPOUSE, THE CHILDREN, EVERYBODY WAS A PART OF IT.

SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

WE'RE HONORED THAT YOU'RE HERE TODAY AND YOU'LL BE IN OUR PRAYERS AND BEST WISHES FOR YOUR FAMILY AND THEIR SAFETY.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR US.

GREAT EVENT TODAY.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PERRY.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU.

>> GONZALES: THANK YOU FOR GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE SCHOOL.

I'M SURE THEY HAD TO GET PERMISSION, SO I HOPE THAT THAT'S A SPECIAL DAY FOR YOU ALL, AND MAYBE YOU GET TO DO SOME FIELD TRIPS FOR SOMETHING WHILE YOU'RE HERE AND OUT OF SCHOOL FOR THE MORNING, AT LEAST.

MY HUSBAND WAS A MILITARY FAMILY AND HIS CHILDREN WERE ALSO PART OF THE MILITARY FAMILY.

AND MY GRANDCHILDREN, MY HUSBAND'S CHILDREN, ARE ALSO NOW MILITARY FAMILIES.

AND I KNOW THAT THEY REALLY SUFFER WHEN THEIR FATHER IS GONE FOR SUCH LONG PERIODS OF TIME.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR FACES I SEE THOSE OF ALL MY GRANDCHILDREN THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN NEW JERSEY.

SO I HOPE THAT YOU ALL FEEL A LITTLE SPECIAL TODAY.

I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE OTHER CHILDREN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, SO I HOPE THAT THEY'RE BEING HONORED IN SOME OTHER WAY AS WELL.

I THINK IT'S ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, SO I HOPE THEY'RE FEELING SPECIAL TODAY, AND I HOPE YOU GUYS FEEL SPECIAL TODAY TOO.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN GONZALES.

COUNCILMAN SALDANA.

>> SALDANA: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN PERRY WELCOME TO SAN ANTONIO.

I HOPE THAT IF THIS IS ONLY ONE STOP IN THE JOURNEY THAT YOU ALL WILL TAKE, THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER IT ONE OF THE MORE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE PLACES HERE.

THIS IS YOUR CITY AND WE ARE PRIVILEGED AND HONORED TO HAVE YOU HERE.

AND THE TERM RESILIENCE IS ONE IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU AS YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE TO DEAL WITH BEING ADAPTABLE AND FLEXIBLE AND NIMBLE IN WAYS THAT OTHER STUDENTS ARE NOT.

AND SO WE REALLY JUST -- YOU BRING SUCH JOY AND SMILES TO OUR FACES TO JOIN US HERE THIS MORNING AT OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND WE'RE HONORED THAT WE GET TO CELEBRATE YOU THROUGHOUT THE MONTH.

AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO BE WEARING PURPLE AS WELL.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING WITH US.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SALDANA.

COUNCILMAN TREVINO.

>> TREVINO: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I TOO WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN PERRY FOR HIGHLIGHTING THIS.

YOU KNOW, SO OFTEN WE THANK OUR MILITARY VETERANS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.

WE ARE MILITARY CITY, USA.

SO THIS IS JUST A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SEE SOME OF THE OTHER FACES THAT ARE PART OF THE FAMILIES OF OUR MILITARY.

WE JUST WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND KNOW THAT WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, NOT JUST YOUR PARENTS, BUT YOU AND ALL THAT YOU DO TO HELP SUPPORT THIS GREAT CITY.

KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.

LIKE COUNCILMAN SALDANA SAID, WE HOPE YOU REMEMBER SAN ANTONIO AS A TRULY WELCOMING CITY, AND YOUR HOME WILL ALWAYS BE SAN ANTONIO.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN TREVINO.

THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR COMING OUT AS A GREAT REMINDER TO WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY.

AND I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE USAA, WHO IS HERE TODAY.

USAA HAS BEEN SUCH A GREAT BACKBONE TO OUR EFFORTS TO SUPPORT OUR MILITARY COMMUNITY, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU TO THEM

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AS WELL.

LORI.

>> THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, AND A FEW OF THE STUDENTS, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, HAVE TOKENS OF THEIR APPRECIATION THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU GUYS.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING OUT TODAY.

[APPLAUSE] I HAVE ONE MORE ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT BEFORE I DO, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND ROLL OUR TRANSLATION ANNOUNCEM AENT.

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>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT.

I DO HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION TODAY, SO I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON OUR C.E.O. OF VIA METROPOLITAN TRANSIT AS WELL AS OUR CHAIR, HOPE ANDRADE TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE OUR PRESENTATION.

>> SO IT GIVES ME THE MOST -- UTMOST PLEASURE TO ANNOUNCE THAT SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 4, COUNCILMAN REY SALDANA HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED WITH THE FRIEND OF TRANSIT AWARD BY THE TEXAS TRANSIT ASSOCIATION.

[APPLAUSE] SO THIS HONOR IS GIVEN TO AN INDIVIDUAL WHO DOES NOT WORK IN A POLITIC -- PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AGENCY BUT HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO FURTHER A TEXAS TRANSIT AGENCY OR TRANSIT IN GENERAL.

AND SO THE COUNCILMAN'S UNTIRING LEADERSHIP TO HELP IMPROVE FUNDING FOR VIA AND IMPROVING FREQUENCY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DEPEND ON OUR SERVICE EVERY DAY IS THE BASIS OF THIS STATEWIDE RECOGNITION.

AND COUNCILMAN, I I I HAVE A PLE

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THAT YOU CAN KEEP THIS TIME AS A COMMEMORATION OF THIS AWARD.

>> MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PERSONALLY BRING THIS AWARD TO THE COUNCILMAN.

AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD SAY ON BEHALF OF THE VIA BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND THE RIDERSHIP, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING A CHAMPION OF PUBLIC TRANSIT AND ALL YOUR WORK IN NEVER GIVING UP.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY, MAYOR, FIRST OF ALL, HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

[APPLAUSE] MAY YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.

BUT TO ALL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT AND FOR UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANT ROLE THAT VIA PLAYS IN OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

SO ONCE AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, THANK Y'ALL FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO FOR VIA.

>> SO, IN CLOSING, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE A GIFT TO YOU BY NOT SINGING HAPPY BIRTHDAY FROM HERE.

BUT I ALSO ULTIMATELY MOVE THIS SO YOU ALL ARE FRIENDS OF TRANSIT.

AND TO COMMEMORATE THAT, EACH OF YOU IN THE SPIRIT OF OPRAH WINFREY, WILL RECEIVE YOUR OWN BUS.

IT'S COMING THIS WAY.

YOU'LL HAVE TO DRIVE IT YOURSELF, BUT IT'S OUR COMMEMORATION AND OUR APPRECIATION FOR YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, CHAIR ANDRADE AND THANK YOU, JEFF.

COUNCILMAN COURAGE.

>> COURAGE: JEFF, INSTEAD OF A BUS, I WOULD LIKE A BUPET.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE LEFT OVER?

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>> COURAGE: THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: I WANT TO OFFER MY CONGRATULATIONS, REY.

EVERYONE KNOWS YOU HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE STRONGEST VOICES THIS COUNCIL HAS HAD IN RECENT MEMORY FOR THE IMPROVEMENT IN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

IT'S BEEN GREAT TO WATCH IT AND SUPPORT IT.

I ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT WE'RE UP 30% TO 40% ON THOSE 18 ROUTES THAT CITY COUNCIL INVESTED IN.

IF THERE IS PROOF TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN, IT IS THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING A CHAMPION, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WASN'T EASY.

KUDOS TO YOU AND KEEP GOING.

>> SALDANA: YEAH, MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO CHIME IN.

I WAS COMMENTING TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

YOU KNOW, $10 MILLION AND THIS IS WHAT WE GET, HUH? YOU KNOW, THE REAL PRIZE, I THINK, IS IN THOSE ROUTES AND THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING IN THOSE NUMBERS AND STATISTICS AND THE LIVES THAT I THINK ARE IMPACTED AND CHANGED.

YOU ALL DID SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB PRESENTING TO US THE RESULTS OF THE FINDING, THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTING, THE INCREASED FREQUENCY THAT AS BOOSTED UP RIDERSHIP, AND THE GREAT JOB WITH THE VIDEO YOU PUT TOGETHER WITH THE FOLKS WHO WERE TELLING US THOSE STORIES.

AND FOR FOLKS THAT MAY NOT RIDE THE BUS EVERY SINGLE DAY AND DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SUCH A GREAT COMMUNITY OF BUS RIDERS THAT KNOW ONE ANOTHER, THAT HAVE EACH OTHER'S BACK.

WE GOT TO GET A SNIPPET OF THEIR LIVES THROUGH THOSE VIDEOS.

AND YOU ALL DID A TREMENDOUS JOB.

AND REALLY, THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF REALLY THIS NEW REIMAGINED VIA THAT WE'RE HEARING A LOT ABOUT.

SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE PLAYED SUCH A SMALL PART, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HOPEFULLY PLAY A PART IN COLLABORATING WITH OUR TRANSIT AGENCY.

THANK YOU FOR THE AWARD AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE THE

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RESULTS.

THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SALDANA.

AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES IF THERE ARE ANY ITEMS FROM WHICH THEY WOULD LIKE TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO FAR WE HAVE ITEM 4 FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

>> MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILMAN BROCKHOUSE.

>> BROCKHOUSE: THANK YOU FOR THE FLOOR, MAYOR.

IN AN EFFORT TO REDEBATE THE AIRPORT CONCESSION AUDIO] THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING I WILL MOVE TO AMEND SOMETHING PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED ON MARCH 21, 2019 RELATED TO ORDINANCE 2019-0301-0221, THE AUDIO] CONTRACT FOR OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET IN TERMINAL IN AUDIO] MINIMUM ANNUAL FOR THE DIRECT PURPOSE OF RESCINDING THE AMENDMENT TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

I AM FOLLOWING SECTION 35 OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER TO BE

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DEBATED ON MAY 2.

I BELIEVE IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY AND CITY THAT WE SEND A NATIONWIDE MESSAGE THAT WE ARE AN ALL INCLUSIVE AND WELCOMING CITY, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DEBATE NEXT THURSDAY AND CORRECTING WHAT I SEE AS AN EGREGIOUS DECISION BY THIS CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BROCKHOUSE.

20? COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL.

>> SANDOVAL: ITEMS 13 AND 16.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: 13 AND 16? OKAY.

COUNCILMAN TREVINO.

>> TREVINO: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO THE PREVIOUS MOTION, WHICH WAS A SURPRISE TO ME, AND I SUSPECT TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES.

I'M NOT CLEAR WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR DO WE NEED --

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: IT WASN'T A MOTION, SO ANDY CAN CLARIFY THE LEGALITY.

>> RIGHT.

AGAIN, THE COUNCILMAN IS MAKING A NOTICE UNDER ROBERT'S RULES, COUNCILMAN.

SO THE DEBATE ON WHETHER THAT WILL EVEN BE DISCUSSED, THAT WILL BE FOR NEXT WEEK.

>> TREVINO: OKAY.

WELL, SO I GUESS NO MOTION? OKAY.

I'LL HAVE TO CONSULT WITH MY STAFF.

THANKS.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM WHICH THEY WOULD LIKE TO PULL FROM THE AGENDA? ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES? OKAY.

IF YOU CAN CHIME IN WHEN WE TAKE THE MOTION FOR CONSENT.

WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR ITEMS REMAINING ON CONSENT.

WE'LL TAKE THEM AS SOON AS WE GET A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THAT'S ALL ITEMS SAVE FOR 13, 16, AND 20.

>> SO MOVE.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: OKAY.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THAT'S ALL ITEMS SAVE FOR 4, 13, 16, AND 20.

I'LL TAKE THOSE CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR ITEMS REMAINING ON CONSENT.

WE'LL START WITH LYNN BOBBIT.

>> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I AM LYNN OSBOURNE BOBBIT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY.

OUR CHAIRMAN IS HERE AND ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WAS HERE BUT HAD TO LEAVE.

THE PARK SYSTEM PLAN, WHICH IS TO BE DISCUSSED A LITTLE LATER, EMPHASIZES THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PARKS, TRAILS, AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.

WORK HAS BEEN DONE OVER A YEAR WITH WIDESPREAD SOLICITATION FOR PUBLIC INPUT.

AND THE CONSERVANCY ENDORSES THE WORK.

HE STATED IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DEVELOPING PARKS AND GREEN SPACES, IT'S ABOUT IMPROVING EXISTING PARKS OF THE PARKS SYSTEM AND ENSURING THEY ARE MAINTAINED IN A MORE HOLISTIC WAY.

IN LIGHT OF THE RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE PLAN TO MOVE THE KIDDIE PARK, I CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A TWO-YEAR PUBLIC PROCESS SURROUNDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2017.

IT CODIFIED THE GOAL TO LOOK AT THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK HOLISTICALLY, NOT IN PARTS.

IT ALSO SHOWED HOW CRITICAL PUBLIC INPUT WAS.

WE LISTENED AND WE LEARNED IN THAT PROCESS.

THE MASTER PLAN DETERMINED THAT ANYTHING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THE PARK MUST BE CONSIDERED CAREFULLY.

IN ADDITION, THE CONSERVANCY MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT THAT COUNCIL APPROVED, STATES THAT THE CONSERVANCY SHOULD BE CONSULTED ABOUT ANYTHING DONE IN AND AROUND BRACKENRIDGE PARK.

THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY WAS NOT CONSULTED DURING THE ZOO'S YEAR-LONG PROCESS OF DISCUSSION WITH RAD WEAVER, THE OWNER OF THE KIDDIE PARK.

WE CHALLENGE MR. MORROW'S STATEMENT IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT THE ZOO DOES NOT ASK FOR PUBLIC INPUT.

THE ZOO IS IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK AND IT IS SUBJECT TO FOLLOWING PROCEDURES OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION.

THE PARK IS FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR ALL RESIDENTS OF THE SILLY AND IT'S NOT SOLELY A TOURIST DESTINATION.

THE GOAL DECISION TO RELOCATE THE KIDDIE PARK WITHOUT INPUT, WHICH IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

THE LOCATION WITHIN THE ZOO FOOTPRINT DIRECTLY INTERFACES THE PARK, WHICH WILL CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE SENSITIVE AREAS NEAR THE RIVER AND IMPACT THE CYPRESS PAVILION.

IT IS THEIR ESTIMATE OF BRINGING 125,000 PEOPLE ANNUALLY INTO THAT AREA OF THE PARK.

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VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND NOISE WILL BE OF CONCERN.

AND THIS WOULD BE A PERMANENT CHANGE TO WHICH WE WOULD ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

THERE ARE MANY MORE ISSUES THAT I COULD DISCUSS BUT NOT APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME.

THE POINT IS BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS A VERY UNIQUE URBAN SPACE.

ANY PLAN THAT WOULD ALTER THE PARK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WITH AT LEAST AS MUCH CARE AND WITH PUBLIC INPUT CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED.

WE ASK THE COUNCIL TO INTERCEDE, TO SLOW DOWN THE ZOO PROCESS SO THAT ALL PARTIES CAN COME TOGETHER TO DISCUSS WHAT IS BEST FOR BRACKENRIDGE PARK.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT NOT TO CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH WHICH WE HAVE ALL FOLLOWED IN THE PAST, WHICH HAS BEEN TO DO WHAT'S EXPEDIENT FOR PARTICULAR ATTRACTIONS OR ENTITIES WITHOUT HAVING REGARD FOR THE ENTIRE PARK AS A WHOLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO CITE ONE EXAMPLE OF ALL OF US COMING TOGETHER AND WORKING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AND IT MADE IT POSSIBLE TO SECURE A BOND FUNDING TO BUILD THE GARAGE ON TOLEDO, WHICH WILL SERVE BOTH THE ZOO AND THE VISITORS TO THE PARK.

AND WE ALL WORKED TOGETHER ON THAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, MS. BOBBIT.

GEORGE GRIMES.

MR. GRIMES, YOU WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL LOCKRIDGE.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG, COUNCILMAN HALL, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS GEORGE GRIME, 415 PARLAND WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NO. 14 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I WAS A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WORKED ON THE UPDATE OF THE MAHNCKE PARK NCD, AND I ALSO WAS ON THE COMMITTEE, THE PLANNING TEAM FOR THE ORIGINAL NCD ADOPTED IN 2008.

I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS JOANIE BROOKS, BUTCH HAYS, LORI SHERWOOD, ISABEL GARCIA, SCOTT DAY, AND ALTERNATE MARY EVANS.

I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR THIS UPDATE.

AS A RESULT OF SOME RECENT DEVELOPMENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN 2017, THE MAHNCKE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASKED THE CITY TO PREPARE AN UPDATE OF OUR NCD.

THIS WAS INITIATED BY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST DATED MARCH 1, 2017 WITH THE INTENT TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE INTEGRITY AND DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AT A KICKOFF MEETING IN OCTOBER 2017, A COMMITTEE OF VOLUNTEERS WAS SELECTED TO REVIEW THE NCD.

WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMPOSITION OF THAT COMMITTEE, SPECIFICALLY THAT WE FELT THAT RESIDENTS WERE UNDERREPRESENTED AND NON-RESIDENTS WERE OVERREPRESENTED.

SUBSEQUENTLY, A FEW MEMBERS FROM THE ORIGINAL NCD WERE ADDED TO THE MEETING.

THE COMMITTEE MET MONTHLY FROM FEBRUARY TO DECEMBER 2018 AND IT BECAME CLEAR THAT ON A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT ITEMS THE COMMITTEE VOTE ON EACH ITEM OF THE NCD, MANY OF THOSE VOTES WERE DECIDED BY ONE OR TWO VOTES EITHER WAY, DEPENDING ON BASED ON THE COMMITTEE'S WORK AND INPUT FROM PUBLIC MEETINGS FEBRUARY 19 A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SPOKE FOR AND AGAINST THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

MEDIATED AND WITH GREAT DIFFICULTY.

UNANIMOUSLY.

SO THAT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT'S INCLUDED IN ITEM 14 TODAY.

WE ASK COUNCIL APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, MR. GRIMES.

MICHAEL LOCKRIDGE FOLLOWED BY JACK FINGER.

>> HELLO.

MICHAEL LOCKRIDGE, 564 PERSHING.

I WAS ALSO ON THE TASK FORCE WORKING ON THIS STUFF.

I AM, LIKE THE REST OF THE TASK FORCE, RICH AND WHITE AND COULD AFFORD TO MISS WORK TO GO DO THIS.

IT WAS NOT A PROCESS WHERE THE PUBLIC WAS HEARD.

IT WAS NOT A PROCESS WHERE THE TASK FORCE OUTCOMES OR DESIRES CAME TO BEAR.

IT WAS A PRECONCEIVED CONCLUSION

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FROM SPECIAL INTERESTS.

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH LETTING DEVELOPERS DEVELOP.

IT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

EIGHT HOURS TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT WE ARE A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPRISED OF A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, DIFFERENT PLATS BETWEEN FORT SAM HOUSTON, ALAMO HEIGHTS, AND TERRELL HILLS.

WE ARE SURROUNDED BY MILITARY BASE AND SOME OF THE OLDEST MONEY IN SAN ANTONIO.

AND WE HAVE BEEN, FOR GENERATIONS, A UNIQUE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH VERY DIVERSE HOUSING STOCK WHERE MILLIONAIRES NEIGHBORS.

WHAT THE NCD DOES IS IT SEEKS TO RECOGNIZE AS ACCEPTABLE A VERY SMALL DEMOGRAPHIC AND SAY THIS IS THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD GOING FORWARD.

SPECIFICALLY REGARDING MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES.

WE HAVE ONLY 41 LEFT IN MAHNCKE PARK.

YET THEY STILL REPRESENT 51% OF OUR HOUSING UNITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

0% OF THEM ARE CONFORMING UNDER THE NCD STANDARDS NOW, AND 0% WILL BE CONFORMING UNDER THE NCD STANDARDS IF YOU ADOPT THEM AS THEY ARE BEFORE YOU.

THE STANDARDS AS THEY ARE DO MAKE LIVING WITH SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING AND RESTORING SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING EASIER.

IT MAY HELP SAVE SOME SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES, BUT IT WILL NOT SAVE THE HOUSING FOR THE BUS BOYS, FOR THE WAITERS, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE BROADWAY CORRIDOR.

THE APARTMENTS PREDATE ALL OF US ON THE COMMITTEES, ALL OF US IN THE MASTER PLAN, WRITE UPS THAT ALLOW THE NCD TO BE PASSED WITHOUT PUBLIC CONSENT BEFORE.

TWO-THIRDS OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, AT THAT POINT IN THE PROCESS, ASKED FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY STANDARDS TO BE EITHER HEAVILY MODIFIED OR COMPLETELY TAKEN OUT OF THE NCD, YET THEY HAVE NOT BEEN.

0% OF THE PEOPLE YOU GUYS PASSED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO HELP MOVE AND 0% OF THEIR HOUSING WILL BE MADE ACCEPTABLE BY THIS NCD.

PLEASE PASS THIS BUT WITH THE MODIFICATION OF EXEMPTING MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES.

THERE WILL BE RULES BUT THEY WILL NOT BE WRITTEN TO REFLECT EXISTING HOUSING STOCK AND PROTECT THOSE MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS IF YOU DON'T EXEMPT THEM NOW.

IT'S EASIER TO WRITE A RULE THAN TO REMOVE A RULE.

PASS IT AS IS, IT WILL STAY AS IS.

TAKING IT MOVING AND COMING BACK IN A YEAR TO FIX IT.

LET US BE UNIQUE AND PROTECT THOSE WHO ARE VULNERABLE, NOT JUST THE RICH WHITE GUYS LIKE ME.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, MR. LOCKRIDGE.

JACK FINGER FOLLOWED BY CONNIE SHIPLEY.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG AND OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR ILLUSTRIOUS SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL.

FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JACK M. FINGER.

YES.

FIRST OF ALL, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON SOME EARLIER ACTIONS JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO.

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT A MUNDANE HOLE IN THE WALL CITY CONTRACT A FEW WEEKS AGO WOULD RESULT IN THE CONTROVERSY OF YOUR KICKING OUT A PRO FAMILY COMPANY FROM THE AIRPORT AND RESULTING IN A MAJOR MAYORAL ELECTION CONTEST DEBATE ISSUE.

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? WHO KNEW? ALSO EARLIER I SAW VIA HANDING OUT A LOT OF GOODIES TO YOU GUYS AROUND THE DAIS THERE.

NOW IF ONLY VIA WOULD HAND OUT TO US BUS RIDERS SOME DECENT BUSES THAT ARE NOT SO ROUGH RIDING AND WHOSE SEATS ARE NOT SO SKIMPY.

YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE CURRENT ONES, MR. COUNCILMAN SALDANA.

THEY AREN'T WORTH IT.

AND VIA'S THE ONLY BIG GAME IN TOWN SO WE WON'T SEE ANY BETTER ONES FOR ANOTHER 10 OR 20 YEARS THERE.

THEY AREN'T THE ONES THAT YOU RODE ON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

NOW, THE ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

ITEM 16.

WHAT DOES IT SAY? WELL, ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 36 DAPS PLAZAS.

NOW, ALREADY YOU THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE SHOWN YOUR, YES, HYPOCRISY.

YOU RAISED THE AGE OF SMOKING TO 21 YEARS OLD FROM 18.

YES, YOU ARE STOPPING THE SALES OF TOBACCO TO THOSE IN THOSE 21-YEAR-OLD FROM SMOKING.

YEAH, YOU SPECIFICALLY THREW THAT OUT.

AND SO WHY? I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS MAYBE YOU THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE WAY TOO CONTROVERSIAL.

NOW SMOKING, YES, AUDIO] BUT YOU, YES,

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MR. AUDIO-VISUAL MAN, SHOW THE UNDERLINED AREA IF YOU WOULD THERE.

LET'S SEE.

BY ADOPTING THIS POLICY THE SAN ANTONIO COMMUNITY IS HELPING REDUCE THE RATE OF TOBACCO USE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND DEMONSTRATING THAT THEIR BELIEF THAT TOBACCO USE AND SECONDHAND SMOKE JUST DOESN'T BELONG IN PARK AREAS AND PUBLIC PLAZAS WHERE PEOPLE GO TO IMPROVE THEIR FITNESS AND ENJOY NATURE.

PLEASE RETURN THE CAMERA TO THE PODIUM THERE.

SO YOU WANT TO IF SMOKING IS THAT BAD FOR OUR HEALTH, WHY AREN'T YOU BANNING IT ENTIRELY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY? HUH? WHY AREN'T YOU SEIZING ALL TOBACCO SALES? WHY AREN'T YOU -- AND THEN CONSEQUENTLY, ARRESTING PEOPLE FOR SMOKING? IF IT'S THAT BAD FOR THEIR HEALTH, LET'S SEE YOU REALLY MEAN IT AND DO THAT.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, MR. FINGER.

CONNIE SHIPLEY FOLLOWED BY HOMER HAYS.

>> HI.

MY NAME IS CONNIE SHIPLEY AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, MAHNCKE PARK BOARD, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

AND WE JUST WANT TO SAY WE SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE THAT IS RECOMMENDED BY THE ZONING COMMISSION.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, MS. SHIPLEY.

HOMER HAYS.

>> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN, HOMER HAYS.

I LIVE AT 330 ELMHURST IN MAHNCKE PARK, A FORMER BOARD MEMBER AND MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WORKED DILIGENTLY FOR OVER A YEAR TO REVISE THE NCD.

AND I SPEAK IN FAVOR OF WHAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED IN THE ORDINANCE.

AND THANK STAFF FOR THE HOURS THEY PUT IN AND THE HELP THEY PROVIDED US TO PROVIDE WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING TO PROTECT MAHNCKE PARK.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, MR. HAYS.

THAT'S EVERYONE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEMS REMAINING ON CONSENT.

COUNCILMAN PERRY.

>> PERRY: THANK YOU, SIR.

MIKE SHANNON.

WHERE'S MIKE SHANNON? I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS NO. 15.

IF YOU WOULD GIVE US JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS AND WHO ALL WAS INVOLVED IN THIS IN MAKING SURE THAT WE GOT THIS THING RIGHT.

>> SO VERY QUICKLY, THIS IS AN UPDATE TO OUR CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE HABITAT COMPLIANCE FORM.

SO WHAT THAT IS, THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, AN ENGINEER AND PROPERTY OWNER ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE US INFORMATION ON A COMMUNICATION TOOL THAT WE USE AND FORWARD ON TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE, TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE MEETING THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT.

ABOUT A YEAR AGO WE HAD AN INSTANCE THAT HIGHLIGHTED SOMEONE IMPROPERLY USING IT OR FILLING IT OUT AND IT CAUSED SOME CONCERNS.

SO WE WERE ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND UPDATE IT AS NEEDED.

REALLY WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING, WE GOT THE MILITARY INVOLVED.

THIS IS A MILITARY PROTECTION INITIATIVE, THAT THE FORM ITSELF WAS CREATED TEN YEARS AGO.

IT'S ONE OF A DOZEN OR SO INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE DONE AS A CITY TO HELP PROTECT THE MILITARY MISSIONS AROUND CAMP BULLIS AND THE OTHER MILITARY MISSIONS IN SAN ANTONIO.

SO THIS ONE NEEDED SOME UPDATES, SO THE MILITARY GOT TO THE TABLE.

WE GOT DEVELOPMENT OWNERS AND ENGINEERS.

WE HAD BIOLOGISTS AT THE TABLE, NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERSHIP REPRESENTED AT THE TABLE.

AND WE REALLY WORKED HARD TO GET THEM INVOLVED.

U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE, OF COURSE, TEXAS PARKS AS WELL.

SO WE WORKED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO UPDATE IT, MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.

WE ANSWERED SEVERAL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT OWNERS, ENGINEERS, AND U.S. FISH HAD ON THE FORM.

AND THIS FORM WILL NOW BE USED TO PROVIDE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO BETTER ENFORCE ENDANGERED SPECIES AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN THOSE AREAS.

THIS IS ABOUT THE WARBLERS THAT ARE PROTECTED, THE BIRDS AND BUGS PART OF OUR ORDINANCE.

SO IT WAS REALLY A GREAT COLLABORATION WORKING NOT ONLY WITH THE MILITARY BUT OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO PRESENT THIS UPDATE.

>> PERRY: GREAT.

THANK YOU, MIKE.

I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT.

WHEN YOU SAID BRINGING ALL OF THE PLAYERS TO THE TABLE TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD WHERE WE WERE GOING WITH THIS AND WHY.

WE DID HAVE SOME ISSUES, PARTICULARLY UP ON THE NORTH SIDE AROUND CAMP BULLIS THAT CAUSED SOME GREAT CONCERN, NOT ONLY FROM THE MILITARY BUT ALSO FROM THE RESIDENTS UP THERE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE HABITAT UP THERE.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE

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SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING OR BEING PROACTIVE TO PROTECT OUR MILITARY INSTALLATIONS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, AS WELL AS PROTECTING OUR HABITAT FOR THOSE ENDANGERED SPECIES.

YOU CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE ABOUT THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT, BUT IT'S THERE, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RULES ARE FOLLOWED.

AND I THINK THIS NEW FORM AND NEW COLLABORATION EFFORT IS GOING TO DO JUST THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE TS ARE CROSSED AND IS ARE DOTTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING OUT OF BOUNDS, THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF AND CAN MAKE THEIR COMMENTS IN.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT EFFORT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PERRY.

COUNCILMAN HALL.

>> HALL: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

FIRST, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE OUR FOURTH DISTRICT 2 CANDIDATE THAT'S HERE SHADOWING ME THIS WEEK.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO DENISE GUTIERREZ-HOMER FOR BEING WITH ME TODAY.

I ALSO WANTED TO RECOGNIZE HOMER HAYS WHO SPOKE ON THE MAHNCKE PARK ISSUE TODAY.

HE IS A FORMER PRESIDENT OF ST.

PHILIPS COLLEGE.

I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE HIM AND THANK HIM FOR ALL THE WORK HE'S DONE FOR THE COLLEGE AND FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THAT THE NCD WAS CREATED IN 2008 WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, THIS WAS IN FRONT OF ME, LOTS OF CONTROVERSY.

I GOT A TON OF E-MAILS FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

AND WHAT I NOTICED AT THIS POINT IN TIME WAS THAT THERE WERE BASICALLY FOUR DIFFERENT POSITIONS ON THIS ISSUE.

WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND A FACTION WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

WE HAD THE TASK FORCE AND THEN WE HAD CITY STAFF.

EACH OF THEM HAD DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS ON IT.

AND CAT AND MIKE WILL TELL YOU THAT I WAS READY TO ABSOLUTELY DO NOTHING, BECAUSE I PREFER CONSENSUS, NUMBER ONE, AND I TYPICALLY LIKE TO LEAN ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THEIR DIRECTION AND SUPPORT BECAUSE THEY DO REPRESENT A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS WITHIN A PARTICULAR AREA.

AND SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS AGAINST THE PROPOSAL.

BUT DUE TO THE HARD WORK OF CAT, AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU, CAT, FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO ON LOTS OF DIFFERENT ISSUES IN SHEPHERDING THIS AND PULLING IT ALL TOGETHER.

BUT TO BE ABLE TO PULL SOME VERY HEATED AND ANIMATED AND, YOU KNOW, STRONG ADVOCATES FROM FOUR DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND CONSOLIDATE IT DOWN INTO ONE THAT WE CAN AGREE ON I THINK WAS ABSOLUTELY GREAT ON YOUR PART.

AND MR. LOCKRIDGE, I KNOW YOUR POSITION.

I HAVE HEARD YOU AUDIO] IN THESE SORTS OF SITUATIONS NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I THINK WE HAD SOMETHING BETTER THAN WE HAD BEFORE.

WITH THAT, MAYOR, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM FOR ITEM 14 AND I WANT TO THANK CITY STAFF AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE MAHNCKE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BOTH FOR AND AGAINST THE ITEM.

AND FOR THE TASK FORCE FOR ALL THEIR WORK ON THIS ITEM.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HALL.

COUNCILMAN PELAEZ.

>> PELAEZ: THANK YOU.

MIKE, WHERE IS MIKE SHANNON? HE DISAPPEARED.

MIKE REALLY, JUST THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM.

I KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GUYS HAVE PUT INTO THIS.

I WAS THERE WITH YOU WHEN WE BOTH TOOK LOTS OF BARBS AND SLINGS AND ARROWS AT THESE MEETINGS.

THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE FURIOUS AND THEY HAD EVERY REASON TO BE FURIOUS.

WHILE THIS DOESN'T REPLACE ALL THE TREES SHAVED OFF THAT HILL, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T MAKE SURE THE NEXT TIME WE'RE READY FOR SOME OF THE SHENANIGANS.

WITH THAT SAID , WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COME OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN AND BRIEF US IF I PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOGETHER? ALL RIGHT.

THANKS.

THANKS, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PELAEZ.

>> SANDOVAL: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT TWO ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ONE OF THEM IS ITEM 11, AND IT IS A SUBMISSION FOR A GRANT APPLICATION.

WHAT'S FUNNY ABOUT US SUPPLYING -- IT'S NOT FUNNY, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE APPLY FOR GRANTS THE APPLICATION IS ON THE AGENDA BUT WE NEVER GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE WHEN THOSE GRANTS ARE AWARDED.

I HOPE THIS ONE WILL BE AWARDED, AND I WANT TO THANK RUSS HANDY AND HIS TEAM AND THE AIRLINE PARTNERS FOR WORKING ON THIS.

WHAT IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR

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ELECTRICKIFICATION OF GROUND SUPPORT EQUIPMENT TO REDUCE EMISSIONS OR POLLUTION AT THE AIRPORT.

WE'RE APPLYING FOR $3 MILLION TO HELP US REPLACE THAT EQUIPMENT.

AND WE'RE ELIGIBLE FOR IT BECAUSE OF OUR NON-ATTAINMENT, OUR MARGINAL NON-ATTAINMENT DESIGNATION WHEN IT COMES TO OZONE.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT THAT WAS BAD NEWS TO BE IN NON-ATTAINMENT, THIS IS ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS THAT COMES OF THAT IS WE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THESE FUNDS TO ELECTRIFY THE AIRPORT AND HOPEFULLY GET US IN COMPLIANCE WITH AIR QUALITY STANDARDS SOONER.

SO WHILE THIS DOES BENEFIT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE BIGGEST BENEFIT WILL REALLY BE TO THE WORKERS AT OUR AIRPORT WHO WORK AROUND THE GROUND SUPPORT EQUIPMENT AND WHO WE WANT TO ALWAYS KEEP HEALTHY.

AND ALSO IT WILL BE A BENEFIT TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE SURROUNDING THE AIRPORT.

SO I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE THIS APPLICATION GO FORWARD.

BEST OF US -- LUCK TO US.

WE ARE ALSO APPLYING IN $800,000 OF FUNDING FROM THE CDC FOR METRO HEALTH, SO I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE THAT APPLICATION GO FORWARD AS WELL.

THANK YOU, JENNIFER, FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.

SO, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL.

COUNCILMAN SALDANA.

>> SALDANA: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND I KNOW THAT WE APPROVED SEVERAL ITEMS, BUT ONE WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE RELATES TO PARKS, ALLOWS ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A QUICK PLUG FOR MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT FINDING MONEY WHERE SOMETIMES IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND MONEY.

AND IF YOU WANT TO FIND SOMEBODY ON STAFF WHO'S DONE THAT SUCCESSFULLY, I WANT TO POINT OUT SANDY JENKINS, WHO IS HERE AT OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT.

SHE FOUND A MILLION DOLLARS THROUGH THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE GRANT THROUGH THAT GRANT, BECAUSE SHE WAS DOING YEOMAN'S WORK AS A SLEUTH, GOING THROUGH GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT THE STATE OFFERS.

AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A REAL LEVERAGE POINT FOR US AS A STAFF THAT WE HAVE FOLKS, ERIK, WHO ARE GOING AROUND AND MAKING THE CITY MONEY.

SO SHE DESERVES A RAISE, ERIK.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I WAS CHIMING IN.

[LAUGHTER]

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SALDANA.

THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THAT IS ALL ITEMS SAVE FOR 4, 13, 16, AND 20.

AND ITEM 20 -- OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

4, 13, 16, AND 20.

THIS IS THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT.

MOTION AND A SECOND FOR BALANCE OF THE CONSENT.

[20. Resolution consenting to the request from Emergency Services District No. 8 to incur debt, not in excess of $4,353,750.00, for the construction of a fire station and purchase of a ladder truck. [Carlos Contreras, Assistant City Manager; Jeff Coyle, Director, Government & Public Affairs]]

THE REASON WHY I MENTIONED ITEM 20 IS THAT HAS BEEN PULLED FOR RECUSAL, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT ONE FIRST AND ALLOW OUR COLLEAGUE TO STEP OFF THE DAIS AND WE'LL TAKE UP 20.

RESOLUTION CONSENT TO THE REQUEST OF EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NO. 8 TO INCUR DEBT NOT IF EXCESS OF $4,353,750 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FIRE STATION AND PURCHASE OF A LADDER TRUCK.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: OKAY.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NO. 20.

[4. Consideration of the following items from the San Antonio Water System: [Ben Gorzell, Chief Financial Officer; Troy Elliott, Deputy Chief Financial Officer, Finance]]

>> ITEM NO. 4 IS CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS FROM THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM.

ITEM 4.

4A IS A BRIEFING BY THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM ON IMPACT FEES.

AND 4B IS AN ORDINANCE SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING DATE FOR MAY 16, 2019 TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS PLAN, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, AND UPDATED IMPACT FEES FOR THE SERVICE TERRITORY OF THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM.

>> TREVINO: THANK YOU.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.

WELCOME BACK.

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, WHEREVER HE MAY BE.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND CITY MANAGER WALSH.

THIS IS SAWS' FIRST MEETING IN FRONT OF OUR NEW CITY MANAGER, SO ON BEHALF OF OUR BOARD AND EMPLOYEES, CONGRATULATIONS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO A VERY GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS NEW CITY MANAGER.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, EVERY FIVE YEARS SAWS IS REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE YOU AND TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.

MIKE FRISBIE WILL ACTUALLY GIVE THIS PRESENTATION IN MUCH MORE DETAIL, BUT IT IS IMPACT FEES ARE AN ESSENTIAL TOOL THAT IS USED TO MAKE SURE GROWTH PAYS FOR GROWTH.

SAWS WANTS TO ENSURE THAT ITS EXISTING CUSTOMERS WHO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE EVERY SINGLE MONTH IN THEIR BILL AREN'T FOOTING THE ENTIRE BILL FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES OUR WAY.

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THIS YEAR I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT SAWS' STAFF, ALONG WITH THE CITIZENS APPOINTED COMMITTEE THAT CAME FROM Y'ALL, REACHED AN AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT THOSE FEES SHOULD BE.

WHAT'S PARTICULAR ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT IS THAT THIS COMMITTEE, BY LAW, HAS TO BE -- HAS TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT BUILDING INDUSTRY TYPE OF INDIVIDUALS ON IT.

SO THE FACT THAT IT CAME TO A COMPROMISE WAS A VERY GOOD GIVE AND TAKE ON BOTH SIDES.

WE ARE THRILLED, AS I MENTIONED, WITH THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION, AND I THINK IT WILL ALLOW OUR COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND INVITE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO THIS AREA.

NOW, AT THIS POINT MY NOTES SAY SOMETHING ABOUT A PREGNANT PAUSE, AND I'M SUPPOSED TO GIVE A JOKE ABOUT MIKE FRISBIE AND HIS COMING OVER TO SAWS.

BUT I'LL LET MIKE SPEAK FOR HIMSELF.

>> THANK YOU, ROBERT.

APPRECIATE IT.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER.

IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK.

AND TO TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEES AND THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH.

YOU KNOW, IMPACT FEES ARE NOT NEW, AS YOU KNOW.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF THEM.

AND FOR SAWS WE HAVE HAD IMPACT FEES IN PLACE SINCE THE EARLY '90S.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE THE OTHER TEXAS CITIES THAT CHARGE IMPACT FEES AS WELL.

AND THEY ARE ONE-TIME PAYMENTS MADE BY NEW DEVELOPMENT AT THE TIME OF CONNECTION TO PROVIDE THE FINANCING IS TO ASK YOU TO MAKE A PASS AND ACTION TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE.

WE'RE PROPOSING MAY 16 AS THAT DATE.

SO THAT'S THE ACTION TODAY AND THEN WE'LL BE AVAILABLE OVER THE NEXT MONTH, OF COURSE, AND BEYOND TO TALK IN MORE DETAIL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, UNDER MR. PUENTE'S LEADING-EDGE PUBLIC SERVICE I WANT TO SHOWCASE THREE AREAS.

AND THAT'S THE AREA OF CONSERVATION, BEING A NATIONAL LEADER IN CONSERVATION.

IN THE LAST 25 YEARS THE PER-CUSTOMER USE OF WATER THAT S BEEN CUT ALMOST IN HALF DUE TO A LOT OF THE CONSERVATION PROGRAMS AND TECHNOLOGY THAT SAWS HAS DEPLOYED.

ANOTHER AREA IN THAT CENTER PICTURE, YOU'VE ALL BEEN THERE, OUR H 2 OAKS FACILITY BRINGING REALLY INNOVATIVE APPROACHES TO WATER SUPPLY.

TWO WATER SUPPLY SOURCES, THE WATER DESALINIZATION PROGRAM AND THE AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY PROGRAM OPERATING OUT OF OUR H 2 OAKS FACILITY.

THE THIRD ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE PURPLE PIPE SYSTEM.

WE HAVE THE LARGEST RECYCLED WATER SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY.

SO THAT EFFLUENT, WHICH IS REALLY HIGH-QUALITY EFFLUENT THAT'S LEAVING OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AT DOS RIOS, IS BEING PIPED ACROSS THE CITY FOR MANUFACTURING, SUCH AS TOYOTA, FOR THEIR USES, AND ALSO TO WATER GOLF COURSES AND OTHER MAJOR LANDSCAPING EFFORTS.

SO GREAT EFFORTS.

THOSE ARE JUST TO NAME THREE AREAS.

SO LET'S LOOK AT IMPACT FEES SPECIFICALLY.

THERE'S FIVE AREAS OF IMPACT FEES.

WE HAVE THE WATER SUPPLY FEE, THE WATER DELIVERY FEE IN TWO CATEGORIES.

THE FLOW, WHICH IS REALLY THE 12-INCH TO 20-INCH PIPES NEEDED FOR THE NEW GROWTH.

I WILL POINT OUT THAT WHAT'S NOT IN THE IMPACT FEES REGARDING PIPES ARE THE SMALLER PIPES THAT DEVELOPERS PUT IN WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENTS, THE 8-INCH, 6-INCH PIPES, THE LATERALS TO THE HOMES.

DEVELOPMENTS PAY FOR THAT SEPARATE FROM THE IMPACT FEES AS THEY GO IN.

THE WATER DELIVERY IMPACT FEE.

THAT'S THE MOVEMENT OF WATER THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM, THROUGH THE TANKS, THE PUMPS, AND OUR BIG TRANSMISSION LINES, 24-INCH AND GREATER.

AND THEN THE TWO CATEGORIES OF WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES.

WASTEWATER COLLECTION AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT.

AS YOU KNOW, SAN ANTONIO IS BUILT ON A HILL.

WE HAVE ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET OF ELEVATION DIFFERENCE NORTH TO SOUTH.

AND SO HOW THAT IMPACTS GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT COST IS, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR IMPACT FEES WHEN IT COMES TO WATER, ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON IN THE NORTHWEST, NORTH, NORTHEAST, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO SERVICE THAT AREA BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE PUMPING, MORE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS TO GET WATER INTO THOSE AREAS.

WHAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT WASTEWATER THAT IT FLOWS DOWNHILL IS TRUE.

IT IS A GRAVITY SYSTEM.

OUR TREATMENT PLANTS ARE IN THE LOWER ELEVATION AREAS OF THE CITY, BECAUSE THE WASTEWATER DOES FLOW ON A GRAVITY SYSTEM.

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GIVEN THAT, WHEN DEVELOPMENT OCCURS A LONG WAYS AWAY FROM THOSE TREATMENT CENTERS, THERE'S MORE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT AS WELL.

SO THOSE IMPACT FEES ARE HIGHER.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE CATEGORIES HERE, YOU KNOW, THE WATER, THAT'S RELATED TO ELEVATION, BUT IT'S ALSO RELATED TO THE IMPACT FEES.

THEY'RE HIGHER IN THOSE AREAS SHOWN.

STATE LAW GOVERNS HOW IMPACT FEES ARE IMPLEMENTED, THE PROCESS, AND SO FORTH.

IN STATE LAW, IT REQUIRES US TO LOOK AT A TEN-YEAR WINDOW OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND A FIVE-YEAR -- AND THEN RELOOKING AT IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.

WE'RE TOWARDS THE END OF THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD COMING BACK TO YOU ALL AT THIS POINT.

NOW, I WILL SAY, AS ROBERT MENTIONED, WE HAVE AT THIS POINT A UNANIMOUS SUPPORT AT THE CIAC, WHICH IS THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU ALL APPOINT.

THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

THEY CAME UP, AFTER MONTHS OF WORK, CAME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE THERE.

AND ALSO A UNANIMOUS VOTE AT THE SAWS BOARD COMING TO YOU.

NOW, THAT WAS DIFFERENT BACK FIVE YEARS AGO.

THEY HAD TWO DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

AND YOU ALL AT THAT TIME -- THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME REACHED A CONCLUSION FROM THERE.

SO I WANT TO MENTION THAT THE CIAC, THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR EIGHT MONTHS ON THIS EFFORT.

THERE'S BEEN 13 PUBLIC MEETINGS.

IT'S BEEN QUITE THE PUBLIC PROCESS.

AND WE WANT TO THANK THEM FOR ALL THEIR WORK, BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS PLAN, WHICH THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS PLAN FOR SAWS IS TAKEN FROM THE SA TOMORROW CITY-APPROVED PLAN.

SO WHATEVER THE CITY APPROVES FOR LAND USE, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.

THEY LOOK AT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND DIVE INTO THAT OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS, WHAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED FOR THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING.

AND THEY, BY LAW, THEN RECOMMEND A MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE AND ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY HAVE.

SO BASICALLY -- THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF THE IMPACT FEES ARE EXISTING CUSTOMERS DO NOT SUBSIDIZE NEW CUSTOMERS.

NEW CUSTOMERS DON'T SUBSIDIZE THE EXISTING CUSTOMERS.

THE FEES ARE APPLIED FAIRLY AND EC EQUITIBLY FOR ALL AND GROWTH PAYS FOR GROWTH.

YOU'LL BE FAMILIAR WITH THE FOLKS YOU ALL APPOINTED ON THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

ARLENE FISHER, SUSAN WRIGHT, MICHAEL HOGAN, BRIAN HUGHES -- I KNOW BRIAN HUGHES IS HERE TODAY, AMY HARDBERGER, SHE'S ALSO HERE TODAY.

OF COURSE THE SAWS BOARD MEMBER AND PART OF THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL.

WE THANK YOU FOR HER LEADERSHIP MICHAEL MOORE, AND STEVEN COLLIE.

NOW, THERE IS A SPECIAL GENTLEMAN THAT WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE, BECAUSE HE PASSED AWAY RECENTLY.

DAN COSLE.

MANY OF YOU KNOW DAN FROM OVER THE YEARS WAS THE VICE CHAIR IN 2006 AND BECAME THE CHAIR IN 2010.

HE'S BEEN CHAIR FOR THESE EIGHT OR NINE YEARS.

TREMENDOUS SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

A GREAT GENTLEMAN.

AND HE'S TRULY GOING TO BE MISSED.

BUT HE HAS LEFT A TREMENDOUS LEGACY FOR ALL OF US HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AND BEYOND.

THE NEXT SLIDE -- I GET INTO A TABLE THAT'S GOT A FEW NUMBERS.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU ALL.

WHAT'S REQUIRED BY LAW IS THAT ULTIMATELY THE CITY COUNCIL SETS THE MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE IN THOSE CATEGORIES.

WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT WE CANNOT EXCEED.

AND THEN THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF CIAC AND THE BOARD, THE COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE TO APPROVE THE MAXIMUM.

THEY CAN COME OFF OF THAT.

THAT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE RECOMMENDED MAXIMUMS. SO LET ME ORIENT YOU TO THE TABLE.

YOU CAN SEE IN THE HEADING AT THE TOP IT SAYS MAXIMUM.

AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

BUT ALONG THE LEFT-HAND SIDE YOU CAN SEE THE FIVE COMPONENTS OF THE IMPACT FEE, WATER SUPPLY, AND SO FORTH ON DOWN.

YOU CAN SEE THE NEXT COLUMN OVER IS THE CURRENT IMPACT FEE, AND THEN WHAT IS THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM FEE THAT WE CANNOT EXCEED BY LAW.

AND THEN WHAT IS THAT CHANGE IN BETWEEN.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER, IT SHOWS A 9%.

IMPACT FEES ARE DIFFERENT,

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DEPENDING ON WHERE THE GROWTH IS HAPPENING IN THE CITY.

BUT OVERALL AVERAGE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 9% INCREASE IN THE IMPACT FEE IF ALL THE MAX IMPACT FEES WERE IMPLEMENTED.

THE CIAC AND THE SAWS BOARD BOTH AGREE THAT -- AND APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY, THE ITEMS IN BLUE WE SHOULD GO WITH THE MAX.

BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT WATER SUPPLY FEE AND A RECOMMENDATION TO COME OFF OF THAT MAX.

AND LET ME EXPLAIN THAT.

SO THOSE FOUR AREAS IN BLUE, THEY'LL HAVE THE MIDDLE AND THE LATER PART OF THAT TEN YEARS.

BUT IN THE WATER SUPPLY AREA, WE ONLY HAVE ONE PROJECT THAT IS IN THAT CATEGORY.

AND THAT'S THE VISTA RIDGE PROJECT.

AND THE VISTA RIDGE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE DONE IN A YEAR.

SO THE CIAC REALLY STRUGGLED AND DISCUSSED IN DEPTH, DO YOU REALLY PUT -- IF YOU DO THE MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE THEN YOU'RE CHARGING DEVELOPERS FOR TEN YEARS FOR A PROJECT THAT'S DONE THE FIRST YEAR.

AND A BASIC PRINCIPLE OF THE IMPACT FEES IS IT'S FOR THAT IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM.

SO THEY DEVELOPED A HYBRID SOLUTION.

YOU CAN SEE HERE, BASICALLY THEY LOOKED AT THAT FIRST ROW AT THE TOP WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE.

YOU CAN SEE THE MAXIMUM OF 3322.

THAT CAN BE APPLIED BY LAW.

THE MINIMUM, IF VISTA RIDGE WAS NOT IN THE IMPACT FEE, WOULD BE THAT 2637.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT ONE YEAR OUT OF TEN YEARS, THE HYBRID THAT WAS RECOMMENDED AND APPROVED BY BOTH BODIES, IS THE 2706.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY A SLIGHT REDUCTION FROM THE PREVIOUS WATER SUPPLY FEE.

IT DOESN'T WANT ME TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THERE WE GO.

SO THIS SHOWS THAT ADJUSTMENT IN THERE.

AS YOU CAN SEE THE HEADING AT THE TOP IS THE RECOMMENDED FEES.

AND INCLUDES THAT WATER SUPPLY FEE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER HAS A 0% INSTEAD OF THAT 9%, IT'S A 0%.

SO WHILE COST OF LIVING IS CHANGING AND SO FORTH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT OVERALL INCREASING IMPACT FEES, KEEPING THEM RELATIVELY FLAT.

BUT, AGAIN, IMPACT FEES ARE DIFFERENT, DEPENDING ON WHAT IS DEVELOPING IN THE CITY.

AGAIN, THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE IN THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS AND FURTHER AWAY FROM OUR TREATMENT PLANT AS WELL.

WE HAVE HAD A TREMENDOUS IN AUDIO] AND THROUGH THE CITY CLERK.

WE'VE HAD LOTS OF MEETINGS WITH THE REAL ESTATE COUNCIL, THE ASSOCIATED BUILDERS AND CONTRACTORS, AND THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF INPUT AND DISCUSSION THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL.

OUR SAWS DEVELOPMENT NEWSLETTERS AND OTHER INFORMATIONAL UPDATES, WEBSITES, AND SO FORTH.

WE HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH SOME OF YOU AND WE'RE DEFINITELY AVAILABLE TO MEET MORE AS WE PROCEED THROUGH THIS NEXT MONTH.

SO THIS IS THE TIMETABLE.

AGAIN, WE'RE COMING UP ON THE COMPLETION OF THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WHERE WE NEED, BY LAW, TO REASSESS THE IMPACT FEES.

WE ARE ASKING TODAY TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING DATE FOR MAY 16TH.

THEN WE CAN CONTINUE THE AS WELL AUDIO] THE IMPACT FEES TO GO INTO EFFECT IN JUNE, WHICH IS WITHIN THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.

NOW, WHEN WE COME BACK -- RIGHT NOW WE'RE RECOMMENDING COMING BACK ON MAY 16.

WHEN WE COME BACK, BY LAW, WHAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD LOOK AT IS THE SAME ITEMS THAT THE CIAC AND THE SAWS BOARD APPROVED.

AND THAT'S THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS PLAN, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM RELATED TO GROWTH IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THE MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE LEVELS, STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THOSE MAX.

AND THEN A RECOMMENDATION TO COME OFF OF THE MAX AUDIO].

BASICALLY WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE ACTION TO ESTABLISH THAT PUBLIC HEARING DATE FOR MAY 16TH.

AND THEN WE WOULD PROCEED THROUGH THE REQUIRED PROCESS.

SO, WITH THAT, OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: GREAT.

THANK YOU, MIKE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: WE HAVE ONE CITIZEN SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, AND THAT IS JACK FINGER.

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>> WELL, MAYOR NIRENBERG, ONCE AGAIN, OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR ILLUSTRIOUS SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL.

FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JACK M. FINGER.

WATER IMPACT FEES.

WELL, WHAT ARE THEY? WELL, THESE ARE FEES THAT DEVELOPERS PAY.

THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A FEW YEARS.

BEFORE THEN, EVERYBODY.

EVERYBODY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WEST SIDE, EAST SIDE.

IF YOU LIVED THERE, YOU WERE REQUIRED TO PAY THROUGH YOUR SAWS BILLS, MONEY FOR DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE.

EVENTUALLY FOR WATER SUPPLY PROJECTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO FORTH THERE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ROSE UP AND SAID NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT.

YOU NEED TO DEVISE A SYSTEM TO WHERE DEVELOPERS PAY FOR THEIR BRAND NEW PROJECTS.

SO THE CITY COUNCILS DID THAT.

IT WAS 20, 30 OR SO YEARS AGO.

SO WATER IMPACT FEES.

AND THESE ARE DECIDED BY SOME PANEL, A BOARD, A COMMITTEE THAT DECIDES WHAT IS FAIR FOR DEVELOPERS TO PAY IN AREAS THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL REFLECT THE EXPENSES FOR NEW PROJECTS THAT SAWS IS BUILDING.

NOW, THE QUESTION IS WHAT SHOULD THOSE FEES BE? WELL, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A COMMITTEE FOR IT.

FAIR ENOUGH.

NOW, AND SO WHAT ARE THE NEW FEES? PERIODICALLY THEY LOOK AT THEM, THEY REFLECT ON THEM, THEY CHANGE THEM.

SO THE BACK UP DOCUMENTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM I WAS LOOKING -- JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT I WAS LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THE CHARTS WOULD SHOW US AS SHOWN TODAY.

TODAY.

YES.

THAT'S ALL WE NOTICE WE HAVE TODAY.

THIS MORNING IS THIS CHART RIGHT HERE ON THIS THING THAT IF A CITIZEN DIDN'T KNOW, HE WOULDN'T EVEN SEE THAT EXCEPT TO SEE SOMETHING ON THE SCREEN HERE.

CONSEQUENTLY, NOTHING IN THE BACK-UP DOCUMENTS.

MAYBE YOU GUYS DIDN'T SEE THIS UNTIL THIS MORNING, THE CHARTS HERE SHOWING WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES IN THE IMPACT FEES THAT DEVELOPERS WILL BE PAYING.

ONE CHART SHOWS THAT A AUDIO] 9%.

ANOTHER -- AT THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM IS 0% ON THIS OTHER CHART.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S FAIR? WE DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE ZERO IS FAIR.

HAVE SOME MORE COMMITTEE MEETINGS IN THE FUTURE AND HEARINGS AND SO FORTH.

BUT WE, IS CITIZENS, LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENCY ON THIS.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, MR. FINGER.

COUNCILMAN TREVINO.

>> TREVINO: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, ROBERT AND MIKE FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

AS YOU MENTIONED, WE DID HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION.

OF COURSE THE CIAC AND WE HAD CONSENSUS WITH THAT GROUP.

I BELIEVE IT WAS UNANIMOUS.

AND I SEE THAT WE HAVE AMY HARDBERGER HERE.

CAN I ASK YOU TO COME UP AND MAYBE SPEAK TO THAT PROCESS AND TALK ABOUT HOW IT WENT AND HOW WE HAVE -- IT SOUNDS LIKE CONSENSUS THROUGH THE BOARD AND CIAC.

>> YEAH, I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE CONSENSUS THIS ROUND.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE LAST TIME, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER I WAS THE LONE NO-VOTE.

BUT THIS TIME I FELT LIKE WE DID GET TO A PLACE THAT EVERYBODY WAS ABLE TO AGREE.

SO I AM THANKFUL -- I KNOW ALMOST ALL THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE WERE ACTIVELY COORDINATING AND COMMUNICATING WITH THEIR APPOINTEES.

I THINK THAT WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL FOR THE PROCESS.

JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THE CONVERSATION WENT SO YOU CAN SEE HOW WE LANDED WHERE WE DID.

OBVIOUSLY, THE REAL ISSUE IS ON WATER SUPPLY AND THE WATER SUPPLY IMPACT FEE IS CALCULATED SOLELY FROM THAT PLAY INTO THE IMPACT FEE.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT.

THERE WAS NO CONFLICT THERE AT ALL.

SO REALLY THE CONVERSATION CENTERED ON BOTH THE PROCESS, SO WE REALLY TOOK OUR TIME.

WE REALLY -- I CANNOT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT STAFF.

WE GAVE THEM A LOT OF EXTRA WORK AND THEY REALLY ROSE TO THE OCCASION.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MY COLLEAGUES -- AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS, BRIAN, IS ALSO HERE, SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM.

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BUT HE PLAYED A ROLE IN LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION THAT BUILDS UP TO THE AMOUNTS AND WAS ABLE TO MAKE PARTICULARLY SUSAN WRIGHT, WHO IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY.

EACH YEAR WE SEE, OR EACH CYCLE WE SEE A LIST OF PROJECTS.

THEY HAVE NAMES AND NUMBERS THAT ARE ALL INCLUDED IN WHAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE IMPACT FEE.

FIVE YEARS LATER WE SEE ANOTHER LIST AND THOSE LISTS DON'T ALWAYS COORDINATE.

THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THEY ARE PROJECTING OUT FIVE YEARS BUT THEN THEY DECIDE WE DON'T NEED THAT.

OR ANOTHER PRIORITY, THIS IS A BIG CITY, PRIORITIES BUBBLE TO THE TOP.

SO THAT HAS TO TAKE THE PLACE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS A WHOLE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE KNEW WAS WERE THESE NUMBERS ACCURATE AND WHERE WERE THEY COMING FROM AND HOW DOES THIS PROJECT TRACK WITH THIS PROJECT.

WE TRUST, OF COURSE, SAWS' STAFF AND WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S FLEXIBILITY AND IT'S A DYNAMIC SITUATION BUT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO MATCH THE THING.

SAWS' STAFF WENT BACK AND TOOK WEEKS TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO COORDINATE SO WE COULD LOOK AT EVERY PROJECT OVER 15, 20 YEARS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT PROJECT AND IS IT STILL IN PROCESS, DID IT GET SCRAPPED COMPLETELY, DID IT GET DELAYED? I THINK FOR FUTURE CYCLES THAT WILL BE INCREDIBLY USEFUL.

I'LL TURN NOW TO THE COMPROMISE.

WE, THE ISSUE WAS WHETHER OR NOT, FRANKLY, WHETHER OR NOT VISTA RIDGE FELL INTO THE TYPE OF CATEGORY THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN AN IMPACT FEE ASSESSMENT.

AND THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE.

AT THE BEGINNING SOME PEOPLE FELT LIKE IT REALLY WAS AN O AND M BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE OWNING THE SYSTEM FOR QUITE SOMETIME.

THE SAWS' ATTORNEYS DID SOME RESEARCH AND SORT OF INFORMED US THAT IT WELL WITHIN, IN THEIR OPINION, THE STATUTORY DEFINITION, WHICH IS THAT IT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED SPECIFICALLY FOR A UTILITY.

I PERSONALLY FELT, AS WELL AS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE GROUP, FELT THAT BECAUSE WHEN SAWS CAME TO CITY COUNCIL TO GET THE APPROVAL OF VISTA RIDGE, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY TOUTED AS NEEDED FOR GROWTH.

SO IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S 100% FOR US THAT HAS BEEN LAID OUT FOR NECESSARY FOR OUR GROWTH, TO NOT BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH IMPACT FEES, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT REASON.

SO, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF FEES ASSOCIATED WITH VISTA RIDGE.

WE WERE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION COMPONENT, BECAUSE HAD SAWS BEEN BUILDING IT, THAT WOULD BE THE PART THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO BE ASSESSED AS PART OF IMPACT FEES.

ONE OF THE TRICKS OF THIS IS THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FINISHED IN ONE YEAR.

AND THE IMPACT FEE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE ADOPTING IS OPEN FOR FIVE YEARS, UNLESS IT'S OPEN TO RECONSIDERATION.

AND SO ULTIMATELY -- AND I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SEPARATING OUT TWO THINGS THAT OFTEN GET CONFLATED.

THE INTEGRATION SYSTEM, SO THE PART THAT SAWS IS BUILDING THAT WILL ACCEPT THE WATER, WHICH I BELIEVE IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 200 MILLION, THAT AUTOMATICALLY GOES INTO IMPACT FEES.

THAT'S A VERY TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT'S BEING DONE BY SAWS.

SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS THE PIPELINE THAT GARNEY IS BUILDING.

WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO REMEMBER THE NUMBER.

I WANT TO SAY $800 MILLION.

IS THAT RIGHT? $900 MILLION.

SO IT WAS THE $900 MILLION THAT WAS REALLY UNDER DISCUSSION.

THE WAY THAT IMPACT WORKS, AND IF I SAY SOMETHING WRONG, SOMEBODY YELL OUT.

IF IT'S IN THE CONSTRUCTION CATEGORY IT IS ON ONE SIDE OF THE BOOKS.

WHEN IT TURNS INTO THE EQUITY SIDE IT MOVES OVER TO THE EQUITY SIDE OF THE BOOKS.

AND THOSE CALCULATIONS GO INTO IMPACT FEES DIFFERENTLY.

OFTEN, WHAT WE DO IS IF SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED SOMEWHERE IN THOSE FIVE YEARS, WE PUT IT IN AS CONSTRUCTION AND THEN WE REVISIT AND CHANGE IT AROUND TO ITS APPROPRIATE PLACE IN THE FIVE-YEAR HORIZON.

BECAUSE VISTA RIDGE IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED PUT IT IN THE SIDE OF THE LEDGER OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ONE YEAR THAT IT IS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN SORT OF, YOU KNOW, IN ADVANCE MOVE IT TO THE SIDE OF THE LEDGER THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ON FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

THAN MAXIMUM NUMBER.

THE MAXIMUM NUMBER WOULD BE TO LEAVE THE $900 MILLION IN THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THE LEDGER ATTORNEYS SAID THAT WE CAN ALWAYS REQUEST THAT THE BOOKS BE REOPENED.

AND THE IDEA OF GOING THROUGH THIS IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS JUST SO THAT WE COULD FIX THAT MOVE THAT WE KNEW CONTRACTUALLY WAS

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COMING.

THAT'S WHAT LED TO THE COMPROMISE.

AND I PERSONALLY FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO TRY TO COME TO YOU GUYS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH A CONSENSUS, AND THAT'S HOW WE REACHED IT.

>> TREVINO: WELL, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT YOU ACCOMPLISHED THAT.

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

I THINK THIS IS ALSO AUDIO] BECAUSE, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS LAID OUT FOR THE FUTURE, AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

ROBERT, MIKE, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S WITH THAT THAT I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS MOVING FORWARD.

SO I MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 4A AND 4B.

THANK YOU, AMY.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS 4A AND 4B.

COUNCILMAN PERRY.

>> PERRY: THANK YOU, SIR.

MIKE, I'M GOING TO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS HERE FOR YOU.

AND IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH MR. DAN KOSSLE.

IF YOU COULD PUT HIM BACK UP THERE.

THAT SLIDE.

I FORGET WHICH NUMBER IT IS.

>> I'LL PULL IT UP HERE.

SEVEN.

>> PERRY: I HAVE PERSONALLY KNOWN DAN SINCE THE EARLY '90S.

VERY ACTIVE IN THAT ORGANIZATION AND HE WAS VERY ACTIVE, AS YOU SAID, IN THIS ORGANIZATION AS WELL.

AND I JUST WANTED TO PERSONALLY SAY THAT HE WILL BE MISSED IN VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THAT HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN, AS WELL AS THE COMPANY THAT HE WORKED FOR IS PAPE-DAWSON, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT AGAIN.

VERY DEDICATED INDIVIDUAL.

VERY METICULOUS, VERY PRECISE IN WHAT HE DID ON A DAILY BASIS.

AND HE PROVIDED A LOT FOR THIS CITY AND FOR SAWS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IMPACT FEE AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S FOR AND HOW WE USE THAT.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO A STATEMENT THAT MR. PUENTE SAID IS THAT GROWTH PAYS FOR GROWTH.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE IN ALL CASES, RIGHT? WE DO WAIVE THE IMPACT FEES FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS, RIGHT?

>> THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A FEE WAIVER PROGRAM, AND SAWS IS PART OF THAT.

SO WHAT SAWS DOES EACH YEAR IN THE BUDGET PROCESS IS ESTABLISH $3 MILLION THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL AS YOU LOOK AT THAT FEE WAIVER OPPORTUNITIES, AND THAT CAN BE USED IN THAT WAY.

>> PERRY: SO IT'S $3 MILLION PER YEAR?

>> THAT'S WHAT'S IT'S BEEN.

THE CAP ON THE CARRYOVER IS $5 MILLION TO CARRY OVER NO MORE THAN THAT.

>> PERRY: HOW MUCH HAVE WE ACTUALLY GIVEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS FIVE-YEAR PERIOD? IT'S $3 MILLION PER YEAR TIMES 5?

>> ROUGHLY $15 MILLION.

>> PERRY: $15 MILLION.

IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YEAH.

AND WE EXPECT TO CARRY OVER HOW MUCH THIS NEXT YEAR?

>> IS IT $5 MILLION?

>> YOUR STAFF, CITY STAFF -- I THINK

>> IT IS HANDLED BY THE CITY.

BUT Y'ALL MAKE THAT CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY?

>> CORRECT.

>> PERRY: THAT $3 MILLION A YEAR.

SO OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS IT'S BEEN ABOUT 15 MILLION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THE CITY, RIGHT? WHO EVENTUALLY PAYS FOR THAT $15 MILLION.

>> FOR THE WAIVER OF THE FEES.

>> PERRY: YES.

>> ALL OF THE RATE PAYERS.

SO WHEN YOU SAY GROWTH PAYS FOR GROWTH, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS ARE OUT OF THEIR WATER BILL IS IS --

>> REQUEST BY CITY COUNCIL, BY Y'ALL, FOR US TO PUT MONEY ASIDE SO Y'ALL CAN WAIVE THE FEES OR NOT.

>> PERRY: RIGHT.

>> IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, THEN Y'ALL NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION OBVIOUSLY THAT Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO WAIVE THOSE FEES.

>> PERRY: I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT THE RATE PAYERS ARE PAYING FOR SOME GROWTH HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.

ABOUT HOW MUCH DOES THAT EQUATE TO A TYPICAL USER, AN EDU?

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>> I'M SORRY.

>> PERRY: HOW MUCH DOES THAT END UP IN FOLKS' WATER BILL FOR THAT $15 MILLION?

>> WE RAN THAT, THAT 3 MILLION IS EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 1.5 CENTS PER MONTH PER CUSTOMER.

SO WITH THAT, LOOKING AT THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF -- HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING BACK, YOU KNOW, IN THIS $3 MILLION A YEAR, DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF FIGURES THAT WE CAN EQUATE TO WHAT'S OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT? IS THERE ANYTHING OUT THERE? RENE, CAN YOU SAY A COUPLE WORDS ON THAT.

>> I CAN.

NOW, THAT FEE WAIVER PROGRAM IS BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR COMPONENTS, COUNCILMAN, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OVERSEES ONE OF THE FOUR.

THEY ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE OWNER/OCCUPIED REHABILITATION HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND THEN OF COURSE THE ONE THE EDD OVERSEES, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.

THE OVERALL PURPOSE IS REALLY TWOFOLD.

ONE IS SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND THE SECOND IS TRACTION AND RETENTION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY PROJECTS.

ALSO I'LL ADD A LITTLE MORE CLARITY, OF THE 3 MILLION, THAT PORTION, THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT PIECE, IS 800,000, SO A SMALL PORTION OF THE 3 MILLION.

SO TO GET BACK SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR QUESTION, WE TRADITIONALLY DO ONE TO TWO PROJECTS A YEAR ON THE BUSINESS RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT PROJECT.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, TRADITIONALLY BUSINESS RETENTION PROJECTS, LIKE HOLT CAT, CREDIT HUMAN, MORE RECENTLY H-E-B RECEIVED THESE, AND THEY'RE ALL TIED TO SPECIFIC -- SO EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS CERTAINLY HAVE -- THE OTHER MORE EXCITING ASPECT OF AT LEAST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IS THE SMALL BUSINESS PROGRAM THAT WAS RECENTLY REVISED HERE IN 2019 PER COUNCIL DIRECTION, AND THAT TRADITIONALLY HELPS, WE HOPE, AROUND 25 SMALL MINORITY WOMAN-OWNED, VETERAN BUSINESSES A YEAR, AND AVERAGE AROUND $10,000 IS AWARDED IN TERMS OF A SAWS IMPACT FEE WAIVER.

THE OVERALL GOAL FOR THAT PROJECT REALLY IS TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CAPITOL TO SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS SO THEY CAN CREATE JOBS, EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKLY.

>> PERRY: SO 1.5 CENT PER HOUSEHOLD PER BILL AVERAGED ACROSS THE CITY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT, THAT WE ARE -- THAT THERE ARE RETURNS ON THOSE INVESTMENTS -- AUDIO] -- FOR TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT.

PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR THOSE IMPACT FEES THAT WE'RE WAIVING HERE ON CITY COUNCIL FOR OTHER GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES HERE IN TOWN.

JUST FOR COMPARISON, DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE THAT SHOWS HOW OUR IMPACT FEES COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, OTHER LARGE CITIES HERE IN TEXAS?

>> I DO HAVE A BACKUP SLIDE FOR THAT.

LET ME GO TO THAT.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, SAWS IS SHOWN IN THE GREEN.

SO WE SHOW IT THREE DIFFERENT WAYS.

SO THE CURRENT IMPACT FEE, AND THEN THE CIAC-RECOMMENDED SAWS BOARD-APPROVED IN THE MIDDLE THERE, AND THEN THE MAXIMUM, IF YOU WENT TO THE MAX.

SO WE'RE RIGHT THERE.

EITHER WAY, WE'RE RIGHT THERE BELOW NEW BRAUNFELS AND GEORGETOWN FOR SOME OF THE HIGHEST IMPACT FEES IN THE STATE, AND A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AUSTIN AND SO FORTH.

>> PERRY: SO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE'RE SO MUCH HIGHER THAN THESE OTHER CITIES? BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT IN LOOKING AT BUSINESSES ON WHERE THEY WANT TO RELOCATE TO, EXPAND, THAT KIND OF THING.

BECAUSE THIS -- THIS -- THIS IS REAL MONEY THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY ON EXPANDING OR MOVING TO SAN ANTONIO COMPARED TO, LET'S SAY, FORT WORTH OR HOUSTON.

>> PERRY: YOU KNOW, IN THOSE AREAS, THEY GET A BETTER DEAL.

AND WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH GETTING NEW BUSINESS HERE TO SAN ANTONIO.

SO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE SEE THESE DIFFERENCES AND HOW --

>> FRISBIE: SURE.

SO IT'S A REAL BALANCE BETWEEN THE IMPACT FEES AND THEN THE RATES TO EXISTING CUSTOMERS.

SO I WANT TO -- WE HAVE THIS -- YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT ON IMPACT FEES.

AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT ONE, THIS ONE HAS TO DO WITH OUR AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL BILLS COMPARED TO.

SO THIS IS -- HAS TO DO WITH THE RATES, AND SO YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE AT THE LOWER END OF THAT.

SO IMPACT FEES, WE COLLECT ABOUT 10% OF SAWS' BUDGET, $70 MILLION, COMES FROM IMPACT FEES.

SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.

IF THAT GOES UP OR DOWN, THEN THAT CAN CHANGE -- AUDIO] THIS PICTURE A LITTLE --

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IMPACT FEES, WE FEEL THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD BALANCE.

THIS IS REALLY GOOD DATA, BECAUSE WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE THIS WHEN -- OBVIOUSLY, RENE, WHEN Y'ALL ARE GETTING OUT THERE TRYING TO SELL IT.

BUT WHEN YOU PUT IT BACK ON THAT OTHER SLIDE, IT LOOKS PRETTY SCARY FOR SAN ANTONIO.

AND I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH Y'ALL A LITTLE BIT MORE AND TALK ABOUT -- WITH OUR BIG -- BIG COMPETITORS OUT THERE, BECAUSE THIS IS FRONT-END COSTS THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY.

AND THAT COMES TO A DECISION ON WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE.

SO WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS ON THAT.

I DO HAVE -- I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS.

WHEN DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS DECISION MADE?

>> FRISBIE: SO THE END OF THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, STATE LAW SAYS WE NEED TO RELOOK AT THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS, IS -- IMPLEMENT THEN JUNE.

>> PERRY: CONRACK BUILDING, THOSE TYPES OF BIG -- BIG EXPENDITURES THAT IT'S APPROVED RIGHT BEFORE THE END OF THE SITTING COUNCIL THAT THE NEXT COUNCIL HAS TO LIVE WITH.

>> FRISBIE: AND SO THAT.

SO I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE TO LET THIS GO UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL IS SITTING TO MOVE ON WITH THIS.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'D -- I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE AND LET THEM GET SPUN UP, DO THE ONE-ON-ONES TO GET THEM SPUN UP AND HAVE THEM VOTE ON THAT IN JUNE AND THEN IMPLEMENT IT IN JUNE.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILWOMAN GONZALES?

>> GONZALES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

MIKE, LET ME -- I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE THE ONE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, BUT IF NOT, Y'ALL CAN REVERT.

SO I KNOW THAT THE FEES ARE RELATED TO PROJECTED GROWTH, AND I'LL HAVE DR. ROGELIO SAENZ COME TO OUR CPC MEETINGS ON WEDNESDAY AND I WOULD INVITE MY COLLEAGUES TO ATTEND OR ANYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED, HE WAS THE DEMOGRAPHER THAT DID SOME OF THE RESEARCH FOR OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.

AND THE RESEARCH SHOWS THAT 60 TO 80 PERCENT OF THE GROWTH IS INTERNAL AND THAT IT'S 85% LATINO.

AND SO IF THE GROWTH IS MOSTLY INTERNAL, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT -- AND SO I SAY THAT THE GROWTH IS INTERNAL, AND HOPE -- WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT AS A COUNCIL IS THAT FOR THAT GROWTH TO HAPPEN IN OUR EXISTING AREAS, WE DON'T WANT TO BE SUBSIDIZING SPRAWL ANYMORE, SO WE WANT THE GROWTH TO HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS THAT HAVEN'T SEEN AS MUCH GROWTH, LIKE IN THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDES.

SO HOW DO THOSE FEES THAT YOU ALL HAVE HERE -- HOW ARE THEY RELATED TO THAT INFORMATION?

>> FRISBIE: SO FOR THE LAND USE ASSUMPTION -- AUDIO] -- OF HOW GROWTH IS ASSUMED TO HAPPEN, SO AT SAWS, WHAT WE DO -- AND THE CIAC, WE LOOK AT WHAT THE CITY'S APPROVED.

SO IN THE SA TOMORROW PLAN, THERE IS A LAND USE ASSUMPTION PLAN IN THERE, SO WE HAVE ADOPTED WHAT THE CITY'S ADOPTED.

NOW, IF THE CITY, A YEAR FROM NOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, ADOPTED SOMETHING DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN THIS, IT WOULD CAUSE US TO LOOK -- TO RELOOK AT IT DOWN THE ROAD WITH THESE IMPACT FEES TO SEE IF WE NEED TO SHIFT SOMEWHAT TO LINE UP THAT POPULATION PROJECTION.

BUT WE JUST -- WE KEEP IT SIMPLE, WHATEVER THE CITY'S APPROVED, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THAT.

>> GONZALES: OKAY.

AND -- DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS AIM AMY OR ONE OF YOU-ALL SAID THIS WAS MOSTLY RELATED TO THE VISTA RIDGE.

>> FRISBIE: WELL THE -- OF THE FIVE COMPONENTS OF THE IMPACT FEE, ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS --

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AND THE ONLY PROJECT IN THERE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS IS VISTA RIDGE.

AND VISTA RIDGE IS GOING TO BE COMPLETE IN A YEAR, BUT THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT'S IN THERE TODAY.

AND SO THAT -- THAT PROJECT IS, OF COURSE, FOR GROWTH, BUT IT IS COMING IN A FAIRLY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME OF THAT 10-YEAR WINDOW.

>> GONZALES: EXPECTATION, IS THAT THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY IS PRIMARILY WITHIN 410.

WE NEED MORE DENSITY IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND ASA TOMORROW PLAN AND A TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND WE REALLY KNOW FOR THOSE TO BE SUCCESSFUL THEY HAVE TO BE IN A MORE CONCENTRATED AREA.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THOSE FEES MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IF WE WERE IN A MORE CONCENTRATED AREA, OR IS THAT -- DO THEY -- MIGHT THEY BE DIFFERENT IF WE HAD A MORE CONCENTRATED EFFORT OF WHERE WE WANTED THE GROWTH TO OCCUR?

>> FRISBIE: SO THEY WOULD BE DIFFERENT IN THE LAND USE PLAN THAT THE CITY -- AUDIO] -- THROUGH THE DELIBERATION OF THE CITY, THEN IT COULD CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.

WE WOULD HAVE TO RELOOK AT IT.

SO, AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO GO BASED ON WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED AT SAWS, WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT.

THE CITY HAS THE EXPERTISE ON THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THAT.

SO IF IT CHANGES, IT COULD ALTER THE IMPACT FEES IN THE FUTURE, AND WE WOULD REVISIT THAT, AT LEAST ON THAT FIVE-YEAR WINDOW.

IT COULD BE REVISITED SOONER, BUT NO LESS FREQUENT THAN FIVE YEARS.

>> GONZALES: OKAY.

AND SO I THINK COUNCILMAN PERRY ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT THE TIMELINE, SO EVERY FIVE YEARS.

THAT'S IN JUNE, BUT WHAT THE ACTION THAT IS REQUIRED TODAY IS TO SET THE DATE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> GONZALES: IS THAT ALL THAT WE'RE APPROVING TODAY?

>> GONZALES: THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT.

I FEEL LIKE WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, SO WE'LL HAVE TIME TO HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE WE HAVE A FORMAL VOTE.

AND I GUESS JUST MY FINAL -- AND I WOULD ASK FOR THIS -- IN AUDIO] -- IF WE ELIMINATED IMPACT FEES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS AND INFILL PROJECTS, WHAT WOULD BE THAT REQUIREMENT? I KNOW THAT THE 3 MILLION IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, ROUGHLY WHAT WE HAVE FOR IMPACT FEES.

WOULD THAT GROW IF WE WERE TARGETING ONLY THOSE -- ONLY THOSE PROJECTS? SO I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT INFORMATION.

I SUSPECT YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

>> GONZALES: AS WE'RE DOING OUR INFORMATION-GATHERING.

>> FRISBIE: OKAY.

>> GONZALES: ROBERT, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

>> I'M SORRY, COUNCILWOMAN, I WAS JUST GOING TO GET UP AND NOT ACTUALLY ADDRESS WHAT YOUR CONCERNS WERE, BUT JUST TO MENTION THEN, THAT JUNE 8TH IS THE DATE THAT THIS HAS TO PASS.

IT'S FIVE YEARS FROM THE PREVIOUS PASSAGE.

SO JUNE 8TH IS THE DATE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS IN PLACE.

>> GONZALES: SO YOU HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FOR THIS COUNCIL BY THEN.

>> YES, SO ANY DELAYS NOT -- WOULD PUT US IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAW.

>> GONZALES: OKAY.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.

COUNCILMAN PELAEZ?

>> PELAEZ: THANK YOU.

HEY, MIKE, DIDN'T WE FIRE YOU OR GET RID OF YOU, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

>> FRISBIE: I'M BACK.

>> PELAEZ: IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU.

WE ALL MISS YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE -- RIGHT NOW IT'S ELECTION SEASON, RIGHT, AND SO ALL OF US, WE HAVE TO FILL OUT THESE QUESTIONNAIRES AND ALL THAT, AND I'VE BEEN FILLING SOME OUT AND GOING AND DOING INTERVIEWS AND ALL THAT, AND FREQUENTLY THE QUESTION'S COMING UP THERE, AND ALSO AT TOWN HALLS RECENTLY I GOT SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT IS IT I THINK OF VISTA RIDGE AND WHAT AM I GOING TO DO TO GET RID OF IT? AND, YOU KNOW, TURN THE CLOCK ON THAT ONE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF -- I IMAGINE A LOT OF THE RASH -- RATIONAL MIND KEEP L THESE FEES PLAT -- I HEARD CORRECTLY, RIGHT, IS BECAUSE VISTA RIDGE IS HERE OR IT'S EMINENT FOR COMPLETION, RIGHT?

>> FRISBIE: WE KNOW VISTA RIDGE BRINGS THE VOLUME OF WATER THAT COMES WITH THAT PROJECT IS THE

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SAME AS 20% OF WHAT THE METRO CONSUMES TODAY.

SO IT'S A BIG NEW SOURCE.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED NEW WATER SOURCES WITHIN FIVE YEARS.

IT'S WELL UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WILL BE COMPLETED IN A YEAR, AND THAT WILL --

>> PELAEZ: [INDISCERNIBLE] WAS UP THERE, HE SAID HE WAS TAKING A PREGNANT PAUSE TO LET IT SINK IN THAT MR. FRISBEE WAS COMING.

IN KEEPING WITH THE PREGNANCY THEME, WE'RE PREGNANT, VISTA RIDGE IS HERE, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON.

>> FRISBIE: IT'S WELL UNDER WAY, AND WE'RE GETTING READY FOR IT A YEAR FROM NOW.

>> PELAEZ: WE HAD A CITIZEN COMPLAINING THAT TODAY IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE ALL HEARING ABOUT THIS, AND THAT -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR, ALSO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT IT REPORTED OUT OF THIS ROOM THAT WE'RE TAKING ACTION TODAY TO APPROVE THESE IMPACT FEES.

IN FACT, TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AT A FUTURE HEARING, RIGHT?

>> FRISBIE: YEAH, THEA'S -- THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE'S BEEN A ROBUST PUBLIC PROCESS OVER THE LAST YEAR WITH THOSE 13 PUBLIC MEETINGS AND SO FORTH, BUT, YES, THIS IS STILL THE OPPORTUNITY NOW AS YOU ESTABLISH A PUBLIC HEARING DATE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AND THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING.

>> PELAEZ: TODAY IS NOT EVEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE -- AUDIO] -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE MAKING A DECISION, WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE PUBLIC, IF THE PUBLIC --

>> FRISBIE: COUNCIL [INDISCERNIBLE] ON THE SAME DAY AS THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND SO THAT WOULD -- THAT WOULD BE A COMBINED EFFORT THERE.

THAT IS THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION.

>> PELAEZ: OKAY.

AND THEN AFTER THAT IS WHEN WE GET TO APPROVE -- AUDIO] -- DO WE HAVE YOUR SUGGESTION UNDER ADVISEMENT AND COME UP WITH OUR OWN NUMBERS IF WE WANT TO.

>> FRISBIE: WELL, THAT -- YES, CITY COUNCIL HAS FULL DISCRETION WITHIN THE LAW.

>> PELAEZ: OKAY.

>> FRISBIE: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE'RE PROPOSING THAT AS TWO BODIES UNANIMOUSLY COMING TOGETHER ON IT, BUT CITY COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

IT IS ULTIMATELY YOU-ALL'S DECISION.

>> PELAEZ: OKAY.

AND, AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE, WE'RE NOT ASKING HOMEOWNERS TO CARRY THE COST OF THESE, RIGHT? WE'RE ASKING DEVELOPERS TO DO THAT.

SO THAT IS THE PLAN, THAT'S WHY THE IMPACT FEE IS THERE TO HAVE THE DEVELOPERS AT THE TIME THAT THEY'RE CONNECTING TO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM -- IN AUDIO] --

GROWTH PAYS FOR GROWTH.

>> PELAEZ: THAT TIME [INDISCERNIBLE] THAT'S WHEN WE'LL BE PREGNANT, RIGHT?

>> FRISBIE: YOU'LL BE SETTING THOSE NEW IMPACT FEES FOR THE NEXT TERM.

>> PELAEZ: ALL RIGHT.

AND I'LL INVITE YOU TO THE BABY SHOWER THEN.

>> FRISBIE: THANK YOU.

>> PELAEZ: THANKS.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU COUNCILMAN PELAEZ.

>> SANDOVAL: THIS HAS BEEN A VERY LONG BABY SHOWER AND A VERY LONG PREGNANCY, SO...

THANK YOU, MIKE, AND TO THE SAWS TEAM FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND FOR THE BRIEFING YOU PROVIDED EARLIER THIS WEEK.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK MRS. HARDBERGER FOR HER WORK ON THIS AND THE COMPROMISE THAT SHE'S BROUGHT TO US.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT A LI'L LI'L -- LITTLE BIT EASER ON US UP HERE.

I'D LIKE TO THANK MY APPOINTEE, BRYAN HUGHES, THE SMARTEST PERSON I KNOW, THE SMARTEST PEOPLE A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW, OUR LOCAL ROCKET SCIENTIST WHO HAS BEEN APPOINTED TO THE COMMITTEE, BUT I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

SO WHERE IN THIS BOOK, OR MAYBE IT WILL BE IN THE ORDINANCE, CAN I SEE A SCHEDULE OF WHAT I WILL PAY IF I'M A DEVELOPER AND I HAVE -- YOU KNOW, I'M BUILDING 10 HOMES, THEY'RE THREE-BED, TWO-BATH HOMES, WHERE DO I SEE THAT?

>> FRISBIE: WELL, SO, EVEN IN THE CHART I WAS SHOWING, HOW IT SHOWS WHAT THE IMPACT FEE WILL BE PER EQUIVALENT DWELLING UNIT, SO THAT WOULD BE SET.

AND THEN THERE'S THE CALCULATION, AS THEY GO THROUGH A DEVELOPMENTAL SUBMITTAL WITH SAWS, THEN THE NUMBER OF EDUS IS CALCULATED FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

SO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, YOU KNOW, AN APARTMENT IS 1/2, .5 EDU, WHEREAS A TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD IS 1 EDU.

SO WHATEVER THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS, THERE WILL BE A CALCULATION THAT SAYS IT IS THIS MANY EDUS, AND THAT'S A SIMPLE MULTIPLIER ACROSS THOSE IMPACT FEE RATES,

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AND THAT IS THEIR.

SO EVERY DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT BASED ON THE IMPACT FEES SET.

>> SANDOVAL: SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEFORE THE HEARING IS HOW YOU'LL CALCULATE THAT.

WHETHER I COME WITH YOU WITH A TWO-BED, TWO-BATH, ONE-BED, ONE-BATH.

RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING SOUNDS DISCRETIONARY, ANTSDZ MAYBE IT'S NOT.

>> FRISBIE: IT'S NOT.

>> SANDOVAL: SO IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT OR IF SAWS COULD PROVIDE THAT SCHEDULE, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

>> FRISBIE: YEAH, IT'S VERY OBJECTIVE, VERY SPECIFIC FOR EACH DEVELOPMENT.

>> SANDOVAL: BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE -- THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IT OPEN AS ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'LL REVIEW BEFORE THE VOTE.

>> FRISBIE: OKAY.

>> SANDOVAL: ANOTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK IS SO THIS NEGOTIATION -- OR THIS COMPROMISE HAD BEEN REACHED REGARDING THE VISTA RIDGE -- SORRY, THE WATER SUPPLY FEE THAT ONLY HAD TO DO WITH VISTA RIDGE.

AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT WOULD BE COMPLETE IN THE FIRST YEAR, BUT IT'S STILL -- SO WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE THE IMPACT FEE COVER PART OF IT, BUT IT WAS STILL -- IT STILL HAD TO BE BUILT AND PAID FOR, RIGHT? SO WHERE IS THE REST OF THAT COST GOING?

SO, REMEMBER THAT -- SO THE VISTA RIDGE PROJECT, THERE'S THE PRIVATE CONSORTIUM THAT IS PAYING FOR THAT, BUILDING IT, AND THEN SAWS IS -- IS PAYING BACK TO THAT THROUGH THE USE OF THE WATER A YEAR FROM NOW.

SO THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO VISTA RIDGE.

THERE'S 60% OF IT IS A CAPITAL COST, AND 40% IS THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO VISTA RIDGE IS COVERED THROUGHOUT -- IN THE IMPACT FEES AND OUTSIDE THE IMPACT FEES TO COVER THAT.

BECAUSE IT IS -- IT IS -- IMPACT FEES ARE RELATED TO CAPITAL COSTS FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT VISTA RIDGE IS ALSO AN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE COST TO SAWS AS WELL, SO IT IS COVERED IN BOTH.

SO IMPACT FEES DOES NOT COVER IT 100%.

>> SANDOVAL: SO -- OKAY.

I THINK MAYBE I'LL HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION OFFLINE ON THAT ONE.

AND SO IN TERMS OF PAYING THE PROJECT -- I'M SORRY, AGAIN, ONLY -- IT WOULD BE COMPLETE IN THE FIRST YEAR, SO THERE WAS A -- LIKE A PRORATING OF IT -- OF THAT IMPACT FEE.

BUT IS THAT THE ONLY PROJECT IN THE WHOLE CAPITALIST -- CAPITAL LIST OF PROJECTS IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS THAT IS GOING TO BE DONE BEFORE THE 10-YEAR SPAN?

>> FRISBIE: WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THE WATER SUPPLY FEE OF THOSE FIVE, IT ONLY HAS THE ONE PROJECT, THE VISTA RIDGE.

AND THAT PROJECT HAPPENS TO BE BEING COMPLETE THE FIRST YEAR.

THE OTHER FOUR CATEGORIES HAVE 20 TO 30 PLUS PROJECTS IN THERE, SOME ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO CONSTRUCTION SOON WITHIN THAT 10-YEAR PERIOD, OTHERS IN THE MIDDLE, OTHERS AT THE BACK END, SO THEY'RE ALL GROUPED TOGETHER.

SO THAT WAS WHAT THE CIAC WRESTLED WITH, IS YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT -- YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY IF WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AFTER VISTA RIDGE WAS COMPLETE, IT WOULD NOT BE IN.

IT WOULD NOT BE IN AT ALL BECAUSE STATE LAW SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE CAPITAL WINDOW, WHAT DO YOU NEED FOR GROWTH, SO IT'S ALREADY DONE SO IT'S WOULDN'T BE IN THERE.

THAT'S THE COMPROMISE.

>> THE VISTA RIDGE PROJECT WILL STILL BE IN THE IMPACT FEE, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING IN CIP AND THE PROJECTS BEING IN EQUITY.

THE VISTA RIDGE PROJECT WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN THE IMPACT FEE GOING FORWARD BEYOND THE ONE YEAR.

IT WILL BE IN THERE FOR THE NEXT -- AS LONG AS THERE'S ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO BE UTILIZED BY ADDITIONAL GROWTH THAT COMES TO SAN ANTONIO, AND THAT WILL BE FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 10 YEARS BUT PROBABLY MORE LIKELY THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

>> SANDOVAL: OKAY.

AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER, AND I DID GET THE E-MAIL RESPONSE THAT YOU SENT TO ME.

NONETHELESS, I'M GOING TO -- I'M OO GOING TO BRING THIS UP WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

COUNCILWOMAN GONZALES ALLUDED TO IT IN TERMS OF HOW WE WANT TO DEVELOP AND WHERE THE GROWTH IS OCCURRING, AND YOU SAID THAT DEPENDS ON THE LAND USE -- ON THE LUAP, THE LAND USE PLAN.

>> SANDOVAL: SO I GUESS OFFLINE I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THAT LAND USE PLAN IS USED IN THIS, AND I'M SURE BRYAN WAS THOROUGHLY INVOLVED IN ALL OF THAT, BUT I THINK THAT HELPS US IN FUTURE POLICY MAKING, IF WE DO WANT TO -- YOU KNOW, PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT IN ONE DIRECTION VERSUS ANOTHER, IT HELPS US TO SEE HOW THOSE TWO

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TIE TOGETHER.

>> FRISBIE: SURE.

>> SANDOVAL: AND THEN LASTLY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING A CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN, AND THAT HAS TWO PARTS, RIGHT? HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THE ADAPTATION PART, POSSIBLY MORE DROUGHTS IN THE FUTURE, AND HOW DO WE DEAL WITH EVEN WATER DEMAND, RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE PROPOSALS IN THE DRAFT PLAN IS REDUCING WATER CONSUMPTION.

AND WE'VE -- WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS ABOUT THAT -- THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD RATHER HAVE INCENTIVES AS OPPOSED TO REGULATION.

AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE IS HOW WE CAN FRAME THE -- FRAME THE IMPACT FEES, MAYBE NOT THIS TIME, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN FEWER THAN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW HOPEFULLY, SO THAT WE INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT THAT USES LESS WATER.

AND THAT HELPS US PREPARE FOR OUR DROUGHT PERIODS, BUT IT ALSO HELPS US CONSERVE WATER.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT BE -- IT'S KIND OF LATE IN THE GAME TO DO THAT NOW, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS EXPROCEDURE MAYBE GETTING TOGETHER A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM SAWS AND THE CITY AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO SEE HOW WE CAN TIE THAT INTO OUR NEXT ROUND OF IMPACT FEES, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

SO THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL.

COUNCILMAN HALL?

>> HALL: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

NUMBER ONE, I APPRECIATE AMY'S PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, I'VE KNOWN HER AND HER FAMILY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. I TRUST HER INTELLECT, I TRUST HER DEEP DIVE, I TRUST HER ABILITIES FOR FAIRNESS, AND FOR HER TO GO FROM A NAY TO A YAY ON THIS ALONGSIDE THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS, FOR ME, A SELLER.

AND WE'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE HAVE -- THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT COMPROMISE THAT I THINK WORKS.

AND THEN I'LL AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN PERRY THAT I LIKE THE TWO SLIDES OF THE FEE COMPARISONS.

THE IMPACT FEE COMPARISONS VERSUS THE PER PERSON RATES, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COST OF BALANCE THERE.

I THINK, MIKE, YOU EXPLAIN IT, IF ONE GOES UP, THE OTHER'S GOT TO GO UP AND SO NORTH.

SO IF WE LESSEN IMPACT FEES THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR THE PER PERSON TO GO UP.

THAT'S A CONSTANT BALANCE THAT I KNOW YOU ALL ARE WORKING ON.

I WILL RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN PERRY ON THE ISSUE OF PUSHING IT OFF TO THE NEXT COUNCIL.

ONE THING I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE COUNCIL I GUESS REEN 15 YEARS AGO WAS THERE HAD BEEN A ZONING ISSUE THAT HAD BEEN CONTROVERSIAL FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND THE COUNCILMEMBER AT THE TIME PUSHED IT OFF ONTO ME.

AND SO MY FIRST ZONING CASE WAS A CONTROVERSIAL ONE AND I HAD NO PROBLEM JUST DECIDING.

BUT I THINK TOO OFTEN WE KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO THE NEXT PERSON AS OPPOSED TO MAKING THE DECISION THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.

WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE RIGHT HERE, PARTICULARLY ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND SO I -- IN MY OWN ROLE IN DISTRICT 2 FOR THIS INTERIM, I'M TRYING TO RESOLVE AS MANY ISSUES AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THE NEXT COUNCILMEMBER THAT COMES IN INTO THIS SEAT HAS VERY LITTLE CONTROVERSY AND THINGS ARE RESOLVED DURING MY TENURE AS OPPOSED TO PUSHING SOMETHING NEGATIVE DOWN THE LINE.

SO MY PUSH WAS TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE SCHEDULE THAT SAWS HAS PLACED IN FRONT OF US AND TRY TO GET IT RESOLVED BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL GETS INTO OFFICE.

I DO THINK THAT HAVING NEW COUNCILMEMBERS UNDERSTAND THIS LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY WITHIN A MONTH'S PERIOD OF TIME ON TOP OF ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT THEY HAVE TO GET THROUGH AS NEW COUNCILMEMBERS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE JUNE 8TH DEADLINE.

I THINK THAT GIVES US -- AT LEAST ME, SOME INCENTIVE TO PUSH FOR US TO MAKE IT AS OPPOSED TO PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD.

THE LAST THING I'LL MENTION IS I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL 13, 15 YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE STUDIES -- AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LOOK FOR IT, AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT TO RENE ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S A STUDY OUT THERE THAT WENT OUT AND ASKED ALL THE CITIES -- ALL THE COMPANIES THAT TURNED DOWN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO GO TO OTHER PLACES WHY THEY CHOSE TO GO TO OTHER PLACES NOT SAN ANTONIO.

AND I THINK FOR ME, THAT WAS A GOOD ANALYSIS AS TO WHERE WE NEED TO WORK ON AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.

AND THE THREE TOP THINGS THAT WERE ON THAT LIST WERE WATER AVAILABILITY, WAS THE AIRPORT AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME THERE WAS NO PH.D. PROGRAMS IN THE CITY.

AND SO WE'VE WORKED ON ALL THOSE

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THINGS.

THE AIRPORT'S THE ONE MISSING PIECE AS FAR AS -- AS FAR AS BEING A HUB, BUT I KNOW WATER'S BEEN AT THE TOP OF THE LIST FOR MANY YEARS, AND I'VE APPRECIATED EVERYTHING THAT SAWS HAS DONE TO MAKE US ATTRACTIVE TO BUSINESSES IN THAT PERSPECTIVE.

AND ALSO DURING THAT PERIOD, THIS IS TO ONE OF COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL'S POINTS IS CONSERVATION, AT LEAST.

WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL 13 OR 15 YEARS AGO WAS THE BIG PUSH, AND I KNOW SAWS HAS A HUGE -- WHOLE DEPARTMENT THAT THEIR SOLE PURPOSE IS FOCUSING IN ON CONSERVATION.

I KNOW THEY VISITED ISRAEL, WHICH HAS -- DOES VERY WELL WITH CONSERVATION AND IMPLEMENTED A LOT OF THOSE PRACTICES.

BUT AT THAT .13 YEARS AGO, -- THAT! 13 YEARS AGO, THE STATISTIC THAT I REMEMBER, THEY MEASURED IT OVER 25 YEARS, THAT WE HAD GROWN 50% AS A CITY, BUT WE USED 50% LESS OF WATER.

SO FOR ME, THAT WAS HUGE.

AND WHAT THAT TOLD ME WAS SAWS IS DOING A COUPLE THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, IT'S FOCUSING IN ON THE CONSERVATION PISO THAT -- PIECE SO THAT WE USE AS LITTLE WATER AS WE CAN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S PLANNING 50 YEARS, 75 YEARS, 100 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT PIPELINE OF WATER IS AVAILABLE LONG TERM FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

I KNOW IT'S A CONSTANT BALKER AND I DON'T MIND ADJUSTING RATING AND FEES AND SO FORTH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PLAN AHEAD FOR THE FUTURE, AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO -- I THINK AS COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL WAS ADVOCATING, THAT WE CONTINUE TO BALANCE THIS WITH LET'S TRY TO CONSERVE WATER AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE'RE -- FOR US, AND I THINK IT'S AN APPLAUSE FACTOR FOR ME WITH SAWS, IS THAT YOU'RE DOING THINGS ON BOTH ENDS AND YOU'RE DOING IT WELL.

SO THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HALL.

COUNCILMAN COURAGE?

>> COURAGE: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS IN MY THINKING, AND, YES, MIKE, COULD YOU COME UP? THE ESTIMATE ON -- ON THESE CHARGES ARE BASED ON HOW MANY FUTURE EDUS DO YOU ANTICIPATE OVER THE 10-YEAR PERIOD?

>> FRISBIE: OH, I'M SORRY.

>> COURAGE: HOW MANY?

SO APPROXIMATELY 140,000 EDUS.

IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR WAIST WATER THAN IT IS FOR WATER BECAUSE THE SERVICE AREA IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT APPROXIMATELY 140,000.

>> COURAGE: AND YOU SAID PPTS WERE COUNTED AS A HALF AN EDU.

>> COURAGE: SO YOU'RE TALKING PROBABLY OVER 200,000 USERS RECEIVING WATER -- KIND OF A ROUGH ESTIMATE, GIVE OR TAKE HOW MANY APARTMENTS, RIGHT?

>> FRISBIE: YEAH.

>> COURAGE: AND I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT WAS TREE THOUSAND $322 -- 3,322 WATERS AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE 2006 FOR WATER AS OPPOSED TO THE WHOLE BILL, RIGHT?

>> COURAGE: WHAT IS THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE DIFFERENCE OVER A 10-YEAR PERIOD BETWEEN CHARGING $3,322 A UNIT AND $2,706 A UNIT, ABOUT HOW MUCH DOES THAT COME TO OVER THE 10-YEAR PROJECTION?

>> FRISBIE: WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION.

WE RAN THAT.

IT'S ABOUT $9 MILLION A YEAR.

SO ABOUT 80 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE 10-YEAR PERIOD.

>> COURAGE: OKAY.

AND WHAT WAS YOUR ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE PER PAYOR, I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS --

>> FRISBIE: YEAH, WE RAN -- DOUG EVANSTON WHO CAME UP IS OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, IT WAS RUN THROUGH THE FINANCIAL MODEL, SO THAT DIFFERENTIAL WAS ABOUT FIVE CENTS PER CUSTOMER PER MONTH WAS THE DIFFERENTIAL, FROM GOING -- FROM THE MAX DOWN TO WHAT'S RECOMMENDED.

>> COURAGE: SO WE'RE SAYING THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO FOREGO $87 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS THAT WE COULD ASSESS IF WE DID THE MAXIMUM, BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO MORE OR LESS A HYBRID, WHICH IS MORE OR LESS A MINIMUM, RIGHT?

>> FRISBIE: IT'S NOT THE MINIMUM, BUT IT IS A HYBRID.

>> COURAGE: YEAH.

>> FRISBIE: TO COME OFF OF THE MAX.

>> COURAGE: OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU COUNCILMAN COURAGE.

>> FRISBIE: SURE.

I JUST WANTED TO THANK AMY AND THE REST -- AND BRYAN AND THE REST OF THE CIAC, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST COMPLEX WORK THAT'S DONE FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE WITH RELATION TO OUR WATER UTILITY, AND IT'S DIFFICULT.

IT'S CONTENTIOUS, IT'S CONTROVERSIAL SEEMINGLY EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

BUT MIRACULOUSLY NOT THIS YEAR WITH AMY AGAIN AS A MEMBER OF THE SAWS BOARD WORKING ON BEHALF OF OUR CITIZENS, BUT ALSO ON THE

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CIAC AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN WORKING AND LEANING IN ON THIS ISSUE.

I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND COMPROMISE IN CONSENSUS ON AN ISSUE LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHANGING NATURE OF OUR WATER PORTFOLIO, BUT I'M GLAD THAT WE DID.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THIS DONE AND GETTING IT DONE ON TIME.

MY THOUGHTS ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS ISSUE, I THINK IN AND OF ITSELF, WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR A NEW COUNCIL TO TACKLE THIS RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX, SO I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE MEMBERS ON THIS COUNCIL THAT ARE SEASONED ENOUGH TO SEE THE GOOD WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE AND SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD ON THE TIMING OF THE HEARING AND LOOK FORWARD, AGAIN, TO AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF GREAT WORK DONE BY THE CIAC AND SAWS.

SO WITH THAT, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS 4-A AND 4-B, PLEASE VOTE.

[13. Ordinance amending the Unified Development Code, Chapter 33 Appendix H Storm Water Design Criteria Manual, to incorporate updated rainfall data for drainage and floodplain design from the federal Atlas 14 Rainfall Study. [Peter Zanoni, Deputy City Manager; Razi Hosseini, Interim Director, Transportation & Capital Improvements]]

>> CLERK: ITEM 13 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 33 APPENDIX H STORM WATER DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL TO INCORPORATE UPDATED RAINFALL DATA FOR DRAINAGE AND FLOODPLAINS DESIGN FROM THE FEDERAL ATLAS 14 RAINFALL STUDY.

ITEM 13?

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL.

>> SANDOVAL: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE DAYS WHEN I'VE PULLED BOTH OF THE ITEMS FROM CONSENT THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, SO THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR INDULGING ME, BUT I DO BELIEVE ITEM 13 IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE ON THIS.

AS YOU KNOW, STORM WATER IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE DEPARTMENTS.

SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE SHARE THE PRESENTATION WITH US.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

>> SURE.

THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.

I'M EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS NEW AMENDMENT.

I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT WATER, CONTINUING WITH THE THEME OF WATER, UNLIKE MIKE WHO TALKED ABOUT POTABLE WATER AND SEWER WATER, I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT RAINWATER TODAY.

TODAY, WE'RE REQUESTING COUNCIL TAKE ACTION TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER 35, APPENDIX H, THAT WILL INCORPORATE ATLAS 14 RAINFALL DATA.

I WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK BEFORE I BEGIN TALKING IN DETAIL ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT TO SHARE WITH YOU THE IMPORTANCE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE ALL CONNECTED.

THIS IMAGE ON THE SCREEN THERE SHOWS THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER WATERSHED THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE IN THE CENTER OF THE SCREEN WHERE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO LIES THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT HOW OUR INTERCONNECTION BETWEEN -- THAT WE ARE BUILT ON THE SIDE OF A HILL.

WATER THAT COMES -- THAT RAINS ON OUR AREA IS DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT WATERSHEDS AND ULTIMATELY JOIN THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER WATER THAT EXITS OUR CITY, GOES INTO BEXAR COUNTY, WILSON COUNTY, KARNES AND GOLIAD COUNTY AND EVENTUALLY MEETS UP WITH THE GUADALUPE RIVER BEFORE EMPTYING INTO THE GULF COAST.

THIS CONNECTION OF SYSTEM, NATURAL CONNECTIONS OF STREAMS AND RIVERS IS WHAT MAKES IT AN INTERESTING AND INCREDIBLE ECOLOGICAL AREA THAT WE LIVE IN.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THROUGH THE NATIONAL OH, -- OCEANIC ATMOSPHERE OR NOAH.

THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN THERE SHOWS A PICTURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, ALL THOSE BLUE DOTS, SO THE DOTS THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE SCREEN ARE THE NUMBER OF GAUGES USED TO EVALUATE THIS INTENSITY.

THEY USED ALMOST 4,000 RAIN GAUGES THROUGHOUT TEXAS, AND MANY OTHER GAUGES OUTSIDE OF TEXAS TO HELP ESTABLISH THE RAINFALL INTENSITY CRITERIA.

AND IT TAKES INFORMATION RANGING FROM THE EARLY 1900S ALL THE WAY UP TO 2017, ONE OF THE DATA SET THAT THEY USE INCLUDES HURRICANE HARVEY WAS INCLUDED IN THE DATA SET.

WHILE THIS IS NOT A FEDERALLY MANDATED -- IT'S NOT A FEDERAL MANDATE TO USE THIS, OUR OWN UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES US TO USE THE BEST AVAILABLE DATA WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.

THIS ATLAS UPDATES THE PREVIOUS MAP THAT WE USED, THE LAST TIME

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WE CHANGED THIS RAINFALL TOTAL WAS BACK IN 2009.

THE RESULT OF THAT CREATED A SITUATION WHERE THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS HAD TO REEVALUATE THE RAINFALL TOTALS.

THIS NEW ATLAS, THIS NEW MAP THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IMPACTS THE ENTIRE STATE.

OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE DIFFERENCES THERE.

IF I CAN DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE MAP, THE COLORS INTENSIFY OR CHANGE IN COLORS AS THEY GO TOWARDS THE HOUSTON AREA.

AND IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE SAN ANTONIO IS, YOU SEE THIS BLUE AREA CUTTING ACROSS SOUTH/CENTRAL TEXAS.

THAT AREA HAPPENS TO BE ALONG THE ESCARPMENT OR THE EDWARDS ESCARPMENT THERE, THE BALCONES FAULT THERE, LINE, AND WE RECEIVE QUITE A BIT OF INTENSE RAINFALL AS YOU VERY WELL KNOW.

NOW, ZEROING IN INTO BEXAR COUNTY AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE TWO IMAGES THAT YOU SEE THERE, IF I CAN DRAW YOUR AT TENSION TO THE FIRST ONE -- ATTENTION TO THE FIRST ONE, THE BLACK AND WHITE ONE THAT HAS THE LITTLE GOLD STAR ON IT, THAT IS THE CURRENT RAINFALL ATLAS THAT WE USE TODAY.

THIS -- TODAY WE USE 10-INCHES OVER 24 HOURS CONSTITUTES A 100 YEAR STORM.

ATLAS 14 UPDATES THAT -- THOSE VALUES BY LOOKING AND ADDING ADDITIONAL RAINFALL TOTALS TO THE DATA SET TO DEVELOP NEW PROPOSED VALUES.

WE LEARNED TWO THINGS FROM THIS STUDY.

ONE, IS THAT OUR PREVIOUS 100-YEAR STANDARD THAT IDENTIFIED IT AS 10-INCHES IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LOW.

OUR CURRENT VALUE THAT WE USE IS MORE LIKE A 75, 80-YEAR EVENT.

THE ACTUAL 100-YEAR -- THIS STUDY TELLS US THAT 100-YEAR IS MORE IN LINE -- IT'S ACTUALLY 10 TO 30 PERCENT GREATER THAN WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED.

THE OTHER THING THAT IT DOES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP OF THE EXISTING CONDITION, WE USED 10-INCHES EVENLY ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

THIS STUDY TELLS US THAT STORMS VARY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, VARY FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH WITH, LIKE I SAID -- RANGING FROM ANYWHERE BETWEEN 10% INCREASE TO UP TO 30% INCREASE.

NOW, ONE THING I WANT TO BE CLEAR IS THIS ACTION DOES NOT MAKE IT RAIN MORE IN SAN ANTONIO.

THAT'S -- I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

[LAUGHTER]

>> BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ASKED.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THE IMPACTS THAT THIS STUDY DOES TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE'VE CIRCLED IT INTO THREE -- THREE GROUPS.

TO THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL, TO THE CITY ORGANIZATION OURSELVES, AND TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

THIS INCREASE IN RAINFALL STANDARDS OR DESIGN STANDARDS WILL CERTAINLY CHANGE OUR FEMA FLOODPLAIN MAPS.

I CAN'T SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO INCREASE -- THEY'RE ALL GOING TO INCREASE, BECAUSE AS YOU VERY WELL KNOW, THROUGH OUR BOND AND THROUGH OUR IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE DONE MANY PROJECTS TO REDUCE THE FLOOD RISKS.

SO WHILE ATLAS 14 IS GOING -- IS COMING IN, IT WILL CHANGE OUR MAPS.

WE'VE DONE SOME ANALYSIS IN LOOKING AT IT IN DIFFERENT SPOTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND HAVE DETERMINED THAT THERE WILL BE -- THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THE INCREASE WILL BE INCHES, THAT WON'T REALLY BE MAPPABLE, IT WON'T BE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

IN OTHER AREAS IT WILL -- IT WILL INCREASE.

WE WON'T KNOW THE EFFECTS OF THAT UNTIL THE MAPS, THE FEMA MAPS GET UPDATED.

WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH FEMA AND THROUGH OUR LOCAL PARTNERS, THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY, THEY WILL BE UPDATING THE FEMA MAP WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO TREE YEARS, SO WE WILL -- THREE YEARS SO WE WILL HAVE MAPS COME OUT WITHIN TWO TO THREE YEARS.

NOW THE FEMA FEDERAL PROCESS WILL REQUIRE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC MEETINGS TO GO OUT, SO WELL BEFORE THE MAPS EVEN BECOME DRAFT OR FINAL THE REQUIREMENT IS TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND NOTIFY THEM OF ANY POTENTIAL MAP CHANGES.

OBVIOUSLY WITH THE FLOODPLAINING INCREASING OR CHANGING, THERE WILL BE CHANGES TO THE NUMBER OF STRUCTURES IN THE FLOODPLAIN.

FLOOD INSURANCE WILL BE REQUIRED TO THOSE AREAS THAT WILL BE ADDED.

ALSO LOOKING AT HOW IT IMPACTS THE CITY ORGANIZATION, THE 2017 BOND THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED, WE'VE RECEIVED -- WE WILL BE GOING IN AND LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE BOND PROJEC, SPECIFICALLY THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO.

SO IF A PARTICULAR PROJECT AIMED TO REDUCE THE FLOOD RISK, WITH ATLAS 14, WE NEED TO VERIFY THAT, IN FACT, THAT IS STILL OCCURRING.

SO WE WILL BE EVALUATING CASE BY CASE EVERY SINGLE BOND PROJECT.

AND THE LAST IMPACT IS OBVIOUSLY TO OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY,

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THAT WILL INCREASE AND CAN POTENTIALLY INCREASE THE COST TO DEVELOPMENT.

OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE LOCATION AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THOSE THINGS, SO THERE MAY BE AN IMPACT TO THOSE.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE WIDER EASEMENTS POTENTIALLY THAT COULD OCCUR, AS WELL AS MAYBE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SUBDIVISION LAYOUT.

BECAUSE OF RECOGNIZING THESE IMPACTS, WE BEGAN LAST YEAR REACHING OUT TO STAKEHOLDERS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE, THE BEXAR REGIONAL WATERSHED MANAGEMENT PARTNERSHIP THAT INCLUDES CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY AND BEXAR COUNTY, WE BEGAN WORKING A PROCESS AND WORKING WITH TXDOT AND INCLUDINGNC SAWS AND SOME OF THE OTHER LOCAL AGENCIES, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THIS RAINFALL ATLAS, WHAT IT MEANT TO US HERE LOCALLY.

WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

WE REACHED OUT TO PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS IN PRIVATE PRACTICE, AS WELL AS THE REAL ESTATE COUNCIL.

WE HAD A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDER GROUP MEETINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED THE IMPACT OF THIS, WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO OUR -- OUR CURRENT -- OUR CITIZENS.

AND THE WHOLE GOAL OF THIS STAKEHOLDER MEETING WAS REALLY TRANSLATE WHAT ATLAS 14 INTO SOMETHING USABLE -- A USABLE DATA SET FOR THE CITY.

THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE TIMELINE THAT WE BEGAN LAST YEAR WORKING WITH STAKEHOLDERS, LAST MAY, AND THROUGH ALL THAT HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND EQUITY A COUPLE OF TIMES ON THIS VERY SAME TOPIC.

WE'VE GONE TO THE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMISSION, DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TASK FORCE AND VARIOUS PRIVATE -- OR VARIOUS GROUPS THAT WE PRESENTED THIS.

BASICALLY, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THIS MAP SHOWS THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO SEE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE -- WE HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD ONE RAINFALL TOTAL FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.

NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS.

THE DIFFERENT SHADINGS THERE HIGHLIGHTS -- HIGHLIGHTED NEXT TO THAT TABLE.

SO BASICALLY, IF I CAN WALK THROUGH -- THROUGH THIS, PA1 OR PARTICIPATION AREA ONE BEING FAR NORTH BEXAR COUNTY, STRADDLING THE BEXAR COUNTY LINE AND THE COMAL AND KENDALL COUNTY LINE, THAT AREA WILL INCREASE FROM 10-INCHES TO ROUGHLY 12.87-INCHES FOR A 100-YEAR.

PRECIPITATION AREA TWO BEING NORTH OF UTSA, STONE OAK AREA WOULD GO FROM 10-INCHES TO 12.5.

AND PRECIPITATION AREA 3 WHICH COVERS DOWNTOWN YOU SEE THAT INCREASE FROM 10 TO 11.97.

ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH, SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 90, PRECIPITATION AREA FIVE INCREASING TO 11.5.

AND SOUTH BEXAR COUNTY OVER BY THE TOYOTA PLANT AREA FROM 10 TO 11.15.

THIS IS THE MAP THAT WILL GOVERN, SO IF YOU'RE DOING A PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT OR STUDY IN ONE OF THOSE PARTICULAR AREA, YOU USE THAT CORRESPONDING RAINFALL TOTALS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE ISSUED AN INFORMATION BULLETIN AVAILABLE THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR NEW SUBDIVISIONS AND NEW DEVELOPMENT TO OUTLINE AND DETAIL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT TALKS ABOUT ADVERSE IMPACTS, COMPLIANCE, CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE COMPLIANCE, PHASE MITIGATION, FLOODPLAIN MAPPING AND SO FORTH, SO THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO REVIEW.

SO TODAY'S PROPOSAL IS WE ARE REQUESTING COUNCIL ACTION FOR APPROVAL TO THE UDC AMENDMENT AMENDING CHAPTER 35, APPENDIX H TO INCORPORATE ATLAS 14, VOLUME 11, RAINFALL DATA.

>> SANDOVAL: THANK YOU, NEFI FOR THAT VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION.

I ACTUALLY HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH MOST OF THEM.

I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE STAFF FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND FOR YOUR PROACTIVE OUTREACH WITH THE COMMUNITY.

CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT OF -- ENGINEERS IN PRIVATE PRACTICE AND A FEW COMPANIES HAS WELL, RIGHT?

>> CERTAINLY.

WE -- VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO GET INFORMATION OUT SO THAT THEY -- SO FOLKS UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING.

SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, WHILE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS RAINFALL INCREASE IS NOT BEING GENERATED -- IT'S NOT THE CITY THAT'S MAKING THESE INCREASES, THIS IS COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT WE

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BROUGHT THEM IN EARLY TO TALK ABOUT THAT, SO THAT THEY CAN BEGIN PLANNING FOR THEIR NEXT -- WHETHER IT'S DEVELOPMENT OR THEIR NEXT PROJECTS.

SO A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN VERY POSITIVE.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REACH OUT TO THEM, BECAUSE AS THEY'RE WORKING TO GET CLIENTS, AS THEY'RE WORKING TO CONTINUE THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS STANDARD HAS INCREASED AND I WANTED THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S BEEN INCREASING.

SO IT'S BEEN VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

>> SANDOVAL: GREAT.

SO I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES OF US -- AUDIO] -- WHAT'S HAPPENING TO RAINFALL AND US ADAPTING TO THAT TO ENSURE THAT OUR POPULATION AND OUR DEVELOPMENT IS SAFE GOING FORWARD.

I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WHEN THE FEMA MAPS GET RELEASED.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CONTROVERSY IN THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE MORE PROPERTY -- LIKE RIGHT NOW DISTRICT 7 HAS THE MOST STRUCTURES IN THE FLOODPLAIN, AS YOU'VE TOLD US.

THAT'S ONLY GOING TO INCREASE IN TWO THOUGH THREE YEARS, WE WON'T BE DONE WITH ALL OF THE DRAINAGE WORK BY THEN, AND THAT MEANS PEOPLE'S PROPERTY VALUES WILL BE AFFECTED, WHICH CAN MAKE A GREAT CASE WHEN YOU'RE APPEALING YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, BUT IT DOES WORK AGAINST YOU IN THE FACT THAT YOU WILL NEED FLOOD INSURANCE AND...

CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM AND WHEN YOU THINK WE WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT SO WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE DISCOUNTS TO OUR RESIDENTS?

>> COUNCILWOMAN, WE ARE -- AS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE ARE PARTICIPANTS IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM NOW.

WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, OR CRS.

>> SANDOVAL: RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> CRS IS A PROGRAM, A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM, THAT IF A COMMUNITY CAN PROVE THAT WE ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND FEMA, THE BASIC FEMA STANDARDS, INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A DISCOUNT BASED ON WHATEVER RATING IT IS.

WE ARE IN PURSUIT OF THAT.

WE'RE WORKING WITH FEMA.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, FEMA WILL BE COMING IN MAY TO PERFORM AN AUDIT UPON OUR STAFF AND OUR WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING NOT ONLY THEIR STANDARDS, BUT WE'RE ALSO PROVING TO THEM THAT WE'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THOSE STAND&-ÚL FILE THE APPLICATION AND MOVE FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY ENTER CRS SOON.

WE WILL KEEP YOU AWARE OF THOSE PROGRESSES.

>> SANDOVAL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: OKAY.

THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 13.

COUNCILMANCOUNCILMAN COURAGE?

>> COURAGE: THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO GET AN IDEA, WHEN DO WE THINK WE'LL GET UPDATED FLOOD MAPS?

>> SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY AND FEMA, WHOSE ACTUALLY DOING -- THEIR PROJECTION IN 2021, WE'LL BE RECEIVING NEW INFORMATION ON MULTIPLE CREEKS IN OUR AREA.

OF THE CENTER PORTION OF THE CITY.

AND THEN IN 2023 WILL BE THE REMAINDER OF MEDINA RIVER WHICH IS FAR SOUTH OF IT.

SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING A FEW YEARS OUT.

>> COURAGE: I KNOW WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN BY THE CITY AND EVEN THE COUNTY AND THAT ARE GOING ON THROUGHOUT BEXAR COUNTY, ARE THOSE DRAINAGE PROJECTS BASED ON THE CURRENT ESTIMATES FOR RAINFALL? AND WILL THEY BE SATISFACTORY FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THESE NEW ESTIMATES MAY BE PREDICTING AND WHAT THE NEW FLOOD MAPS MAY BE SHOWING US?

>> COUNCILMAN COURAGE, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD, NOT ONLY THROUGH OUR BOND, BUT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING.

THE COUNTY'S ALSO DOING A NUMBER OF PROJECTS.

WHEN WE DESIGN -- AUDIO] -- TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES.

THEY ARE BASED ON TODAY'S RAINFALL TOTALS.

BUT WHEN WE DO THE DESIGN, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE MAKE THEM DO IS WE MAKE THE ENGINEERS DESIGN FOR WHAT WE CALL THE 100-YEAR ULTIMATE CONDITION.

THAT'S A HIGHER STANDARD THAN FEMA.

WE MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT EVERYTHING THAT DRAINS TO IT IS FULLY BUILT OUT.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT'S THE WORST CONDITION IS? SO WE LOOK AT THAT.

AND THEN WE ADD WHAT WE CALL SOME FREE BOARD, BECAUSE WE -- A MARGIN OF ERROR, IF YOU WILL, INTO THAT DESIGN SO THAT WE MAKE SURE AND CAPTURE ANY -- ANY FLUCTUATION IN THERE.

WE HAVE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS ON PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, ADDING ATLAS 14 TO SEE HOW DO THEY PERFORM, GIVEN THE CURRENT DESIGN.

AND I'M HAPPY -- AUDIO] -- TODAY AND WE'RE STILL

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EVALUATING THEM, ALL THE ONES THAT WE HAVE EVALUATED SHOWS THAT THEY HAVE -- STILL HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY AND THAT STILL WORK, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY POSITIVE FOR US.

>> COURAGE: WELL, GOOD.

I'M PARTICULARLY GLAD TO HEAR THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROJECTS IN MY DISTRICT THAT ARE ONGOING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE FLOOD CONTROL AND THE SAFETY FOR THE PEOPLE IN OUR DISTRICT, SO MAYBE YOU CAN LET US ALL KNOW BY DISTRICT IF WE'VE GOT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS GOING THAT YOUR ESTIMATES ARE GOING TO STILL PROVIDE SOME SAFETY FACTORS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR THOSE FLOODING -- AUDIO]

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILMAN PERRY.

>> PERRY: THANK YOU, NEFI, GREAT INFORMATION AND GREAT OVERVIEW, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE.

>> CERTAINLY.

>> PERRY: YOU SHOWED SOME PICTURES OF THE ATLAS 14 WITH THE INCREASED RAINFALLS AND THAT KIND OF THING.

COLOR CODED, BUT I DIDN'T SEE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SHOW A SIDE-BY-SIDE WHAT THOSE DIFFERENCES ARE.

DO YOU HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE?

>> I DO.

>> THIS IMAGE HERE, SLIDE 6, SHOWS ON THE BLACK AND WHITE IMAGE THAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT'S WHAT WE USE CURRENTLY.

SO WHERE YOU SEE THAT DARK LINE GOING THROUGH BEXAR COUNTY, THAT'S THE 10-INCH CONTOURED LINE.

THAT IS THE RAINFALL TOTALS THAT WE CURRENTLY USE TODAY VERSUS THE OTHER IMAGE WITH THE VARIOUS COLORS, YOU SEE AN 11 -- A LINE THAT HAS 11, ONE THAT HAS 12 THAT'S JUST NORTH OF DOWNTOWN, AND THEN WAY UP THERE IN NEW BRAUNFELS AREA YOU SEE THAT 13.

SO WE START CREEPING UP TO THAT AREA, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE SIDE BY SIDE THAT WE HAVE.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WHEN I SAW THAT SLIDE.

THAT'S GREAT.

WITH THE -- YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THESE MAPS, AND IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE BY SAWS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS UP NORTH FLOWS SOUTH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE INCREASED RAINFALL LEVELS NORTH OF US, OBVIOUSLY AFFECTS US HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.

AND ALL OF THIS HAS -- GIVE ME SOME IMPACTS, WHAT MAY HAPPEN TO EXISTING HOMEOWNERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, THAT KIND OF THING.

WE'RE NOT REALLY HIGHLIGHTING WHAT -- WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THESE NEW FLOODPLAINS.

>> THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, COUNCILMAN.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT OUR INITIAL EVALUATION OF THEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, AND OUR EVALUATION IS SHOWING THAT BECAUSE -- BECAUSE WE'RE BUILT ON A HILL, AREAS THAT HAVE RELIEF, MEANING -- OR THAT HAVE ELEVATION, WE'RE SEEING THAT THE FLOODPLAIN IN THOSE AREAS, THE INCREASE IS VERY -- VERY MINOR.

BUT IN AREAS THAT ARE FLAT, WE'RE SEEING THAT INCREASE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED.

SO WE'RE -- IT'S THROUGH -- IT VARIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY BASED ON TERRAIN, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TREES, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF VEGETATION.

ALL OF THOSE ARE FACTORS THAT GO IN THERE, SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO TELL YOU THEY'RE ALL GOING TO INCREASE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT TRUE.

IN CERTAIN AREAS, THERE WILL BE INCREASES.

IN OTHER AREAS, THERE -- WE WILL NOT SEE INCREASES.

SO IT VARIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.

AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A BETTER PICTURE OF THAT UNTIL THOSE FEMA MAPS COME OUT.

THAT'S REALLY WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE IMPACTS OF IT.

>> PERRY: AND THESE FEMA MAPS, WHO'S ACTUALLY DOING THESE MAPS?

>> THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY IS WORKING WITH A NUMBER OF ENGINEERING -- TEAMS OF ENGINEERS THAT ARE ANALYZING THE DIFFERENT WATERSHEDS, AND THEY HAVE HIRED THOSE -- THOSE FIRMS IN CONJUNCTION WITH FEMA, WHO'S ALSO PROVIDING FUNDING TO THIS, AND THEY WILL BE DEVELOPING THOSE -- ALL THE PARAMETERS NEEDED TO GO INTO THE CALCULATION THAT EVENTUALLY DEVELOPS THESE FLOOD MAPS.

>> PERRY: AND WHY IS FEMA NOT DOING THIS WHOLE PROBABILITY, WHY IS SARA A PART OF THAT?

>> FEMA HAS A LONG PROCESS ON THAT.

SO WHEN THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY IS A PARTNER WITH FEMA, HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DESIGNATED CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITIES, AND BECAUSE OF THAT PARTNERSHIP, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT MORE OFTEN.

BUT, YES, WE DO, THROUGH THEIR WORK, THEY'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR UPDATING THOSE MAPS.

>> PERRY: BUT FEMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE MAPS,

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RIGHT?

>> ULTIMATELY, YES.

>> PERRY: SO WHO MADE THE DECISION AT SARA WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS QUICKER AND EXPEDITE THIS AND TAKE ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY.

>> I WELL TELL YOU REALLY TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO THIS UPDATE.

SO ATLAS 14 JUST HAPPENED TO OCCUR -- SO THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO THIS UPDATE ANYWAY.

IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS THE LAST TIME THAT THEY UPDATED THE MAPS, SO THEY WERE ALREADY PLANNING TO UPDATE THAT.

IT HAPPENED TO BE THAT ATLAS 14 OCCURRED, SO WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE AD VAP TAJ -- ADVANTAGE OF THAT SCHEDULE.

SO THEY WANTED TO DO IT MORE QUICKLY AND TOOK THIS ON.

HOW MUCH EXTRA IS THAT COSTING US, I REMEMBER SEEING AN INCREASE FROM SARA ON OUR LAST PROPERTY VALUES, ON PROPERTY TAXES.

HOW MUCH EXTRA DID THEY TAKE ON BECAUSE OF THEM WANTING TO DO THIS MORE QUICKLY.

>> COUNCILMAN, I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU MORE -- ON THAT.

I DO NOT HAVE THE COST OF WHAT THE FEMA MAPS COST IS AND WHAT THAT CHANGE IN THAT TAX RATE.

I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO YOU, SIR.

>> PERRY: AND I UNDERSTAND, THEY WANTED TO DO IT MORE QUICKLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THAT WAS TRANSLATED TO ALL OF OUR BEXAR COUNTY RESIDENTS.

>> YES, SIR.

>> PERRY: -- TO BEAR THAT COST TO DO IT MORE QUICKLY.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

IN THE OVERALL, AGAIN, GOING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, WHAT IMPACTS ON DEVELOPMENT -- IN AUDIO] -- OUT IN THE COUNTY? IS THE COUNTY GOING TO ENFORCE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON DEVELOPMENT?

>> SO IN DISCUSSIONS WITH BEXAR COUNTY, THEIR CODE IS WRITTEN SUCH THAT WHEN THIS BODY ADOPTS THIS NEW STANDARD, THEIR CODE AUTOMATICALLY UPDATES THEIR STANDARD.

SO BY US -- BY YOU ADOPTING THIS NEW CHANGE, THEIR CODE AUTOMATICALLY IS UPDATED AS WELL.

SO BEXAR COUNTY WILL BE FOLLOWING THE VERY SAME STANDARDS THAT WE FOLLOW.

>> RAINFALL STANDARDS, YES, SIR.

>> PERRY: AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS LETTER FROM REXA, IT SAYS WE KNOW OF SEVERAL OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE CREATED AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WHICH WILL CAUSE SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL IMPACTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THAT DATA FROM ON OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CREATE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS, FINANCIAL IMPACTS?

>> SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THEY DON'T JUST WORK HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.

THEY WORK IN AUSTIN, IN HOUSTON, THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

THE CITY OF AUSTIN, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF HOUSTON, BECAUSE THEIR RAINFALL VALUES INCREASED A CERTAIN AMOUNT, THEY MADE THE DECISION TO REGULATE DEVELOPMENT TO THE 500 YEAR.

YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT MAYBE IF WE WERE IN HOUSTON, MAYBE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON, BUT HERE, LOCALLY, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO IS WE BROUGHT THE ENGINEERING COMMUNITY, WE BROUGHT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AND WE SAID, THIS IS -- THESE ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THIS, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT -- IN AUDIO] -- FOR OUR REGION IN OUR AREA.

SO WE MADE THE DECISION IS TO STICK TO OUR CODE.

OUR CODE SAYS WE DESIGN TO THE 100 YEAR ULTIMATE CONDITION, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT.

NOW, THE 100 YEAR ITSELF IS CHANGING, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT.

CITY OF -- WE -- COMMUNITY, IT WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF US BRINGING THEM AND HELPING FORMULATE SOME OF THESE DECISIONS.

THAT LETTER WAS A RESPONSE TO THEM.

>> PERRY: I JUST WANT PARTICULARLY FOR SAN ANTONIO, WE DO HAVE SOME FLAT AND LOW-LYING AREAS THAT TYPICALLY DO FLOOD HERE.

WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL IN HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT

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OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS AND, YOU KNOW, NOT BE FORCING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES THAT MAY NOT HAVE FLOODED EVER BEFORE, BUT THESE NEW MAPS MIGHT BE SHOWING THAT, THAT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO STAY THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE OF AN INCREASED FINANCIAL IMPACT.

I'M GOING TO BE VERY INTERES-ÚID WITH THESE NEW MAPS THAT THEY HAVE ACCELERATED AT A FINANCIAL COST THAT RAISED THEIR TAXING AUTHORITY TO OUR RESIDENTS.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW ALL THIS PLAYS OUT.

BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THIS INFORMATION, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PERRY.

COUNCILWOMAN GONZALES.

>> GONZALES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, NEFI, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU FOR THE DRAINAGE TOWN HALLS WE'VE BEEN DOING IN DISTRICT FIVE AND TO ANNOUNCE THE NEXT ONE, TUESDAY APRIL 18TH FROM 6:00 TO 8TH AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE, 314RIVAS, AND IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THIS DIAL THAT YOU ALL USE, IT'S, I THINK, THE BEST ONE THAT WE'VE EVER DONE, EVEN MYSELF HERE NOW SIX YEARS WHEN WE DID THE FIRST ONE A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK, WE HAD THE MAPS LAID OUT, PEOPLE COULD FIND THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE SORT OF SEPARATED OUT IF WE LIVED IN THIS PART OF TOWN OR IN THIS PART OF THE DISTRICT, FIND YOUR MAP HERE AND EVERYBODY JUST COULD CIRCLE WHERE THEY LIVED -- THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO GO AND FIX IT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND TO YOUR TEAM, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT TOWN HALL.

AND I KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE USED THAT SAME STYLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES IN THEIR COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT FORMAT AND I REALLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU FOR THE WORK.

I THINK IT'S CRITICAL WITH ALL OF THE SEVERE WORK WE'VE SEEN.

WITH THAT THERE IS A MOTION AND APPROVAL FOR ITEM 13.

>> CLERK: ITEM 16 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 36 OF CITY CODE OF SAN ANTONIO, TEXASEN TIGHTED SMOKING TO EXPAND SMOKE-FREE AND TOBACCO-FREE AREAS IN CITY PARKS AND PUBLIC PLAZAS.

[16. Ordinance amending Chapter 36 of the City Code of San Antonio, Texas entitled "Smoking" to expand smoke free and tobacco free areas in City parks and public plazas. [Colleen M. Bridger, Interim Assistant City Manager; Jennifer Herriott, MPH, Interim Director, Health]]

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL.

>> SANDOVAL: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO A SMOKE-FREE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED BY THIS COUNCIL.

I, OF COURSE, WAS NOT HERE FOR THAT, I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I THINK, AT THE TIME, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PIECES THAT DEPARTMENT MAKE IT ONTO THE ORDINANCE, PARKS.

AND TODAY I THINK IT'S -- IT'S HISTORIC IN OUR LITTLE CITY THAT -- OR BIG CITY THAT WE'RE ADOPTING THIS ORDINANCE.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR WORK AND GO AHEAD AND GIVE US THE PRESENTATION.