* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2023. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. CASTILLO. HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELASQUEZ HERE. MAZUA HERE? MM. HERE VAR. THANK YOU. GROUP. HERE. CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND HERE. AND FETZER HERE. WE HAVE QUORUM. BEFORE WE BEGIN WITH THE MEETING, UM, WE DO HAVE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES AVAILABLE. IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF OUR TRANSLATORS COME UP AND PROVIDE A ANNOUNCEMENT. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CAR AND MONICA SAVINO. I'M SORRY. WE JUST CHANGED, UH, VICE CHAIRS LAST TIME. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS, FOR PERMIT FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DEMOLITION, UH, EXCUSE ME. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTION FOR TODAY'S MEETING. THANK YOU AND GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, FIRST WE WANT TO WELCOME, UM, TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS. UM, FIRST WE HAVE LORI CASTILLO SERVING IN DISTRICT ONE AND DR. HOMER GUEVARA SERVING IN DISTRICT SIX. UM, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. UM, A COUPLE ANNOUNCEMENTS OF ITEMS ON A, ON THE AGENDA. UM, THE FIRST ITEM ONE, WHICH WAS RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, HAS BEEN PULLED BY STAFF. UM, WE WANNA WORK A LITTLE MORE WITH THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. AND SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT AND WE'LL COME TO YOU, UM, LATER ON THIS YEAR. UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE HAVE ITEM 21, WHICH IS 2,900 BLOCK OF ROOSEVELT THAT HAS BEEN PULLED OR POSTPONED RATHER, BY THE APPLICANT. UM, AND WE WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, WITH THAT, UH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BEGINNING WITH VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM, I GUESS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ITEM 15. HELLO, MY NAME IS LISA LYNN, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. DEAR COMMISSION, OH, THIS IS REGARDING 2 1 1 WIX STREET, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 3 4 1. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE O H P STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS. WE CONCUR WITH THE O H P RECOMMENDATION WITH STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL. WE RECOMMEND A TRUNCATED HIP ROOF FORM TO MATCH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ROOF FOR THE ADDITIONS. THE ADDITIONS FOOTPRINT SHOULD BE SIMPLIFIED AND SHIFTED IN PLAN TO PROVIDE OFFSETS IN THE WALL PLANE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE ADDITION FROM THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AS PER THE GUIDELINES. THANK YOU. ITEM 16 21 71 WEST SUMMIT AGENDA ITEM 16 21 71 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE, CASE NUMBER 20 23 3 3 2. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER, A MEMBER OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE NINE MEMBER M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS POST OFFICE BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR INVESTMENT IN THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTY. WE NOTE THE [00:05:01] CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DID NOT INSTALL A RETAINING WALL WHEN NEW A D A RAMPS AND SIDEWALKS WERE INSTALLED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE RAISE CONCERN ABOUT THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THE RETAINING WALL AND AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE WALL BE NO HIGHER THAN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AT 2201 WEST SUMMIT AND THAT IT BE TAPERED. THE RETAINING WALL SHOULD NOT SEEK TO LEVEL THE FRONT YARD, REMOVING THE CHARACTER DEFINING SLOPING BERMS PRESENT IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. ITEM 17 2 16 CAMARGO. THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 17 2 16 CAMARGO STREET. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO BELIEVES THAT APPROVAL OF THE WORK AT TWO 16 CAMARGO WOULD UNDERSCORE THE LACK OF CONSEQUENCES FOR PERMIT VIOLATIONS, ENCOURAGING DISREGARD FOR THE REVIEW PROCESS AND REWARDING NON-COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU. ITEM 19, 20 30, WEST MULBERRY. AGENDA ITEM 19 20 30 WEST MULBERRY CASE NUMBER 20 23 3 5 7. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER, A MEMBER OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND A NON-MEMBER M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR SEEKING TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WORK WAS COMPLETED OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE PRIOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPROVED BY H D R C. THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE AS THERE ARE NO BEFORE PHOTOS SUBMITTED SHOWING THE CONDITIONS OF THE ASPHALT AND ITS PRIOR DIMENSIONS. WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE GARAGE DOOR USE WOOD AS THE PRIMARY MATERIAL OR HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF WOOD. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE LETTERS IN THE FOLDERS ON YOUR DESKTOP AND THE APPLICANT HAS PULLED ITEM 13 FOR DISCUSSION. AND [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WISH TO PULL ANY OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION? MR. CHAIR ITEM NUMBER FIVE. OKAY. ANY OTHERS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIR, MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE, UM, CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS LESS THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED OR HAVE, UH, BEEN REMOVED BY THE APPLICANT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. CASTILLO AYE. SINO AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MAZUA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 28 ODELL THREE 19 WEST ELLWOOD 26 20 NORTH MAIN 6 23 AND 6 43 EAST NEVA CIVIC PARK, 8 75 EAST ASHBY FIVE 19 MISSION 38 53 NORTH ST. MARY'S, 10 10 BURNETT, 1902 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY 3 0 3 DARTMOUTH 11 7 77. SPRING RAIN TWO 11 WIGS 2171 WEST SUMMIT TWO 16 CAMARGO 4 46 EAST HILDEBRAND AND THIR 2030 WEST MULBERRY. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 5 3 14 FLORIDA STREET. THE APPLICANT, JASON MORON IS HERE VIRTUALLY COME ON UP. COMING UP. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, YOU HAD QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT THIS ONE. UM, I GUESS THIS IS FOR QUESTION FOR STAFF OR APPLICANT. UM, THE REVIEW STATES THAT THE SLAB FOR THE GARAGE IS AN EXISTING SLAB. HOW, UM, HOW IS THAT EXISTING? IT'S A NEW SLAB, BUT IT, IT'S CURRENTLY THERE. UM, THE OWNER, UM, WORKED [00:10:01] WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND, UM, THE CONTRACTOR WAS ADVISING THE OWNER TO GO AHEAD AND GET WORK STARTED WITHOUT GETTING THE PROPER PERMITS AND, UH, APPROVALS FROM O H P. AND, UH, THE OWNER CONTACTED ME AND SAID, HEY, WE, I THINK WE NEED TO RECONSIDER, UM, AND WE NEED TO GET THE PROPER APPROVALS AND PERMITS. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THIS LAB HAD BEEN POURED ALREADY. OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP FOR THAT SLAB? UH, THE NEXT STEP WILL BE GOING THROUGH WITH, UM, CITY COMMENTS FOR PERMIT MM-HMM. , UM, AND IF THAT INCLUDES GOING THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, GOING THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO GET APPROVALS THERE AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS IS KINDA LIKE A VIOLATION, BUT NOT REALLY. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS FOR STAFF. IS THERE A REASON WHY, UM, OR CAN WE PUT A STIPULATION FOR THE GARAGE DOOR ON THIS? UH, YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE, UM, OR IN YOUR FINDINGS, YOU TALK ABOUT GARAGE DOORS TO HAVE A WOOD TO BE WOOD OR HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF WOOD. THAT'S CORRECT. UM, THAT'S FINDING F UH, STAFF FINDS, UM, DOORS TO BE WOOD OR HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF WOOD TO BE APPROPRIATE. UM, VINYL WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE. UM, A HIGH QUALITY, QUALITY ALUMINUM DOOR, UH, IF SUBMITTED TO STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL MAY ALSO BE APPROPRIATE. OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT A STIPULATION AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? NO, IT COULD BE ADDED AS ONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS AND AN ADDED STIPULATION FOR, UH, THE GARAGE DOORS TO BE WOOD OR HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF WOOD SECOND ADDED TO THE GREAT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 13. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MANUEL ORES AND I AM REPRESENTING, UH, IRIS ORES AND LUNA ROSA RESTAURANT. OKAY. SO THE, THE, MY MY REASON FOR BEING HERE, MY PURPOSE IS, IS TO TALK ABOUT THE BILLBOARD THAT EXISTS ON TOP OF THE OLD ROSARIOS. IT USED TO BE THE OLD ROSARIOS, UM, BUILDING. AND THEN, UH, WE'RE NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, WE'RE THE NEW, WE'RE THE NEW PEOPLE ON THE BLOCK. WE'RE THE NEW NEIGHBORS AND WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE OUR LOCATION. AND, AND WE LOVE THE KING WILLIAM AREA. SO OUR GOAL IS TO CONTINUE TO BEAUTIFY THAT PARTICULAR AREA. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE RESTAURANT IS, IS, HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT OF TOUGH SITUATIONS AND, AND WE'RE IN ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS. SO OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL ON TOP OF OUR BUILDING. UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME, BEAUTIFYING, UH, THE KING WILLIAM AREA. SO, UH, WHAT WE WANNA DO, I DID SUBMIT A COUPLE OF, UH, PAINTINGS OR SOME DRAWINGS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE, UH, THAT WOULD GO UP THERE. AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND ONE THAT WE ALSO INCLUDED, UM, TO, TO THE OFFICE FOR CONSIDERATION. BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT AND REALLY LIKE, UH, WHAT WE WANT TO, TO DISPLAY IN THAT PARTICULAR BILLBOARD. SO IF IT'S, IF IT, IF WE NEED TO, I KNOW WE ALSO HAVE A SIGNAGE AT THE BOTTOM IN THE BUILDING. AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE ALREADY HAVE LUNA ROSA RIGHT THERE. AND WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THAT PARTICULAR SIGN, UH, BECAUSE OF THE LIGHTING. I KNOW THE, THE AREA DOESN'T LIKE TOO MUCH LIGHTING, SO WE MADE SURE THAT WE MODIFIED IT AND, AND IT'S TO THE SMALLER SCALE. UM, AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME AS WE WERE MENTIONING ABOUT THE, THE BILLBOARD, UH, IF WE NEED TO ADJUST THE LETTERING AND, UH, AND, AND WHAT'S ON IT, WE'D BE GLAD TO, TO DO THAT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BILLBOARD. IT LOOKS EXTREMELY BARE. UM, AND, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL CONTACTS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE LOCAL ARTISTS. I SAY YOU LIVE IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE ART, UH, CO, UH, ART DISTRICT. AND, UH, WHATCHA GONNA DO WITH THAT. AND WE KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FOR, FOR THE REASON THAT, NUMBER ONE, AS I MENTIONED, TO BEAUTIFY OUR, THE, THE AREA. AND AT THE SAME TIME [00:15:01] PROMOTE OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR BUSINESS. SO A QUESTION, IF THE, UH, SIGNAGE ON THE BILLBOARD IS APPROVED, UM, THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING WOULD THEN COME OFF NO. SINCE IT'S SAYING THE SAME THING. UH, YES. AND THAT'S ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I WAS SAYING THAT IF WE NEED TO ADJUST IT AT THE TOP TO REMOVE SOME OF THE WORDING, THEN WE'D BE GLAD TO, TO DO THAT. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO US IS, IS RIGHT NOW, UH, SOME KIND OF AN ART FORM, SOME KIND OF ART, UH, PROMOTING THE ART DISTRICT. AND, UH, IF WE NEED TO REMOVE SOME OF THE WORDING AND JUST DISPLAY PERHAPS THE PINK MOON OR THE LOGO, WE'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GRU. AND IT'S MORE TO STAFF. UM, SO THIS SIGNAGE WAS USED FOR THE, WITH THE PREVIOUS TENANT. I DON'T REMEMBER. IT WAS NOT, IT WAS SIGNAGE FOR THE BLUE ARTS, UH, COMPLEX, BUT ALSO LIKE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT'S SAYING THAT APPROVAL FROM PROBABLY A DECADE AGO, UM, IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THE SIGNAGE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MORE OF AN ART, UH, COMPONENT WITH VERY MINIMAL LETTERING, WHICH, SO YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THE ART VERSUS LIKE THE SIGNAGE THAT WAS THERE. UM, AND SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT REMAIN EITHER MOSTLY ART OR IF IT IS TO BE SIGNAGE, THAT THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING BE ELIMINATED. OKAY. SO THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I MEAN, IF NOT, WE DON'T WANT, IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS NOT PART OF, IT'S LIKE NOT PART OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING. SO IT'S CONSIDERED KIND OF LIKE, I MEAN, THE BILLBOARD ITSELF IS NOT HISTORIC SIGN. LIKE WHEN YOU SAY PRESERVE HISTORIC SIGNAGE, UH, IT THE CONTENT IS NOT HISTORIC, BUT THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY, WE HAVE HISTORIC PHOTOS WHERE THIS HAS BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, SIR, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, IF THIS IS APPROVED, UM, YOU WOULD TAKE SOME OF THE SIGNAGE OFF OF THE, I MEAN THE LETTERING ON THE SIGN. SO YOU'RE MENTIONING, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR. SO LUNAR ROSA WOULD COME OFF OF THE CORRECT SIGN OF THE, AND YOU'LL JUST LEAVE IT ON THE BUILDING THERE? YES, SIR. SO SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THE SIGNAGE AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS LUNAR ROSA WOULD, AND IT HAS VERY MINIMAL LIGHTING, UH, AT NIGHT WE WOULD ELIMINATE SOME OF THE WORDING. AND IF WE NEED TO JUST PUT THE LOGO WITHOUT WORDING, WE'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. KEEPING IT MORE OF THE ART STYLE. SO KEEPING THE, THE ACTUAL, ACTUAL SIGN, THE PINK AND THE WHITE AND THE, BUT IT'S TAKING THE WORDS OUT. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAYING? CORRECT. I JUST WANTED, AND THEN WE COULD, AND WE COULD EITHER PUT IT TO A, A CORNER TO THE SIDE, SOMETHING TO DISPLAY MORE OF THE ARTWORK. GOT IT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. CLAUDIA, CAN YOU PUT THAT ARTWORK ON THE SCREEN? THANK YOU. QUESTION FOR STAFF, IS IT, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO, UM, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY CONDITION ON UTILIZING THAT, THAT BILLBOARD FOR, UM, FOR NOT THIS SPECIFIC BUSINESS? NO. IT'S ACTUALLY MORE IN LINE WITH CODE, BECAUSE CODE WANTS YOUR SIGNS TO BE ON PREMISE AND NOT ADVERTISING SOMETHING THAT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO COMMISSIONER MAZUA? YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION. IS THIS THE, UM, SANS THE PRINTING SANS THE PORTER PUERTO RICAN GRILL AND TAPAS? YES. IS, IS THAT THE FINAL DESIGN? UH, WE HANG IN INCLUDED TWO. DO YOU HAVE THE OTHER ONE? NO, BECAUSE YOU SAID THIS IS THE ONE. THIS, THIS IS THE ONE WE WERE PREFERRING. UH, THERE WAS ONE THAT I HAD, UH, INCLUDED BEFORE THAT, BUT WE JUST FELT THAT IN ORDER TO, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. SO THIS IS REALLY THE, THE ONE, I MEAN, WE CAN ADJUST IT AND LOOK AT SOME OTHER ARTWORK IF NEED BE. BUT THIS IS THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT AND PREFERRING AT THIS TIME. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES THIS LOOK LIKE, UH, ADVERTISING SIGNAGE IS THAT RECTAL LINEAR WHITE LINE AROUND THE PRINTING. AND I KNOW THAT WOULD GO, BUT, UM, I THINK AS ART, IT LOOKS MORE LIKE GRAPHIC ART THAN MM-HMM. ART. ART. MM-HMM. . AND I WOULD PREFER SEEING ART, ART, ART. SO MAYBE YOU, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE RIGHT NOW THAT, UH, SHE'S GONNA GO AHEAD AND SHOW, WHICH IS ART. ART THAT IS PAINTED. UH, IT IS MORE OF THE, UH, THE BANANA LEAVES, MORE OF THE GREENERY AND SO FORTH. AND WITH A BLACK, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A BLACK IN THE BACKDROP. AND THEN, UH, HIGHLIGHTING IT MORE. AND THIS IS ARTWORK. IT'S ACTUALLY PAINTED. IT COULD BE PAINTED. AND MORE THAN, LIKE YOU SAID, THAN THE GRAPHIC ART THAT IS KIND OF PRINTED. I DON'T WANNA DO ANY DESIGNING FOR YOU. THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME TO DO. BUT WITHOUT THE LUNA ROSA, AND PERHAPS, LIKE YOU SAID, LUNA ROSA AND VARIOUS IN SMALL PRINT ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT. [00:20:01] MIGHT BE A GOOD THING. MM-HMM. . BUT, UM, YEAH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINA. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, I AGREE ALONG YOUR LINES THAT USING SOME OF THE, UM, ELEMENTS, THE FIGURATIVE ELEMENTS LIKE THE LEAVES AND THE WHATEVER, UM, ON THAT BILLBOARD COULD BE QUITE ASTOUNDING. AND YOU DON'T NEED A LOT OF ITEMS TO CORRELATE OR TO TIE IT INTO YOUR MENU AND YOUR DECOR ON THE INSIDE. IT COULD BE QUITE SUBTLE WITH SOMETHING JUST, UM, WHAT WE SAW A SECOND AGO WITHOUT ANY TEXT. UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION SO WE CAN MOVE TO DISCUSSION? SURE, SURE. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, UH, LET'S SEE. TO, UM, I'M NOT REALLY, I'M NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. QUE I, THE, THE WAY THAT I'M SEEING THE PRESENTATION IS THAT, THAT IT'S AN ART PIECE AND IT HAS SIGNAGE ON THE ART PIECE. UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT, OR FROM WHAT I'M HEARING ANYWAY, A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT IT'S APPROPRIATE. IT'S JUST GETTING DOWN TO THE DETAILS OF IT. MY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TERMS OF THE SIGN THAT YOU PLACED IN THE CENTER OF THE, THE LUNA ROSA. CORRECT. YOU KNOW, UM, YOU, I, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT BEING MOVED MAYBE TO THE ST. MARY'S SIDE. IF, IF THIS ART PIECE DOUBLED AS A SIGN, UM, WE, WE COULD CONSIDER THAT. WELL, THE, THE ONE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING WITH THE LIGHT, THE, THE REASON I SAY IS BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S A PRECEDENT THAT HAS BEEN SET BY IT BEING AN ART PIECE. I UNDERSTAND. SURE. AND HAVING A SIGN THAT THAT ART, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US THAT GO BACK TO SOUTH TOWN KNOW THAT THAT WAS AN, AN ADVERTISEMENT MM-HMM. . UM, SO IT SEEMS THAT, THAT, THAT YOU, YOU STILL HAVE THAT CAPABILITY IF, IF IT'S A REPLACEMENT FOR WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY. RIGHT. IN WHICH CASE, WHAT IS, WHAT I'M SEEING AS NUNA ROSA, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION OR I'LL DO IT? WELL, I, I THINK THAT THINK I, I JUST TO CLARIFY THAT HE DID GIVE AN ANSWER THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, WILLING TO MOVE THAT TO THE ST. MARY'S SIDE AND I'LL SECOND WHATEVER MOTION SO WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATION. MR. CHAIR, I'LL DO A MOTION. YOU, YOU WOULDN'T WANNA MOVE THE ONE IN THE BUILDING? I'M SORRY. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION. HE'S ASKING TO MOVE THE ONE ON THE BUILDING. CORRECT. AND DO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS TO REMOVE THE ONE IN THE BUILDING TO THE SITE ON ST. MARY'S SITE, KEEPING THE ARTWORK IN THE FRONT AS PART OF YOUR SIGNAGE, PROMOTING YOUR BUSINESS. CORRECT. IS THAT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT? I'LL DO A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS, LET'S SEE WHAT THE MOTION DISCUSS COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO, UM, I'LL DO A MOTION TO APPROVE AN ART SIGN WITH NO LETTERING OR NO WORDING OR NO LOGOS ON THAT BIG BILLBOARD AND MAINTAIN THE EXISTING SIGNAGE. YES. I'LL SECOND. AND THEN IF I MAY GO ON. YES. COMMISSIONER AND, AND I THINK IT'S NOT WHETHER ABOUT THE SIGN, THE LUNA ROSA SIGN, THE BRANDING SIGN IS WHETHER ON ONE STREET OR THE OTHER, WE NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, DON'T ALLOW FOR MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE. SO IT'S, YOU CAN CHOOSE WHERE YOU WANNA PUT THE LUNA ROSA BRAND. SO WHAT STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING WAS YOU CAN EITHER PUT IT ON THE ART PIECE, BUT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE WHAT'S EXISTING. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S NOT STUBBLE. MM-HMM. . SO AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IS WE ARE ALLOWING YOU AN ART PIECE WITHOUT ANY LOGOS AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE SIGN THAT YOU HAVE CURRENTLY. I SEE. YES. YES. OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SAVINA? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY YES, THAT'S COMMISSIONER GROUP. THANK YOU. UM, THAT WILL GIVE YOU OPTIMUM FLEXIBILITY. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION. ALLOW THE BILLBOARD TO BE UTILIZED THE WAY IT'S BEEN USED IN THE PAST FOR THE SERVICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN COME UP WITH A, A GOOD, UM, COMPOSITION, COLORS AND FORMS THAT TIE IN WITH YOUR LOGO. OKAY. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. OKAY. ASK STAFF TO PUT THE, UH, WELL, THAT, THAT THE ELEVATION OF THE, THE TRIANGLE PART OF IT THERE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE BOARD. AND COMMISSIONER SAVINO AND COMMISSIONER GRU, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THAT NO MATTER WHERE THIS GOES, IT'S HEADED IN A DIRECTION THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE, TO THE, TO THE OWNER. UM, BUT, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO, TO ASK THE COMMISSION, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN, UH, FOR WHATEVER, FOR WHATEVER PROCESSES THERE WERE THAT ENABLED THIS SIGN, THE SIGN IS SQUASHED BETWEEN THE, THE TOP, I DUNNO IF YOU CALL IT A CORNICE. AND, AND THE, AND THE, THE, THE, THE 45 DEGREE, [00:25:01] UH, AWNING SUPPORT. SO THERE'S A VERY EASY KIND OF AESTHETIC, UM, COMMENT TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SPOT. IT'S, IT'S CENTERED, BUT IT, IT WOULD'VE MADE MORE SENSE IF IT WAS CENTERED WITH, WITH EITHER SIDE OF THE BAYS. RIGHT? IF, IF THE, IF THE ARTWORK AT THE TOP IS, IS ENABLED TO BE, UM, AS, AS MUCH AN ANOMALY, AS MUCH OF THE STUFF IS IN THAT AREA, THAT IT'S A CREATIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT, THAT, THAT HAS EVOLVED TO BECOME WHAT IT'S, WHAT IT'S EVOLVED TO BECOME BECAUSE IT'S HAD THE STRENGTH OF CREATIVITY 'CAUSE OF IT, OF IT AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT, AS AN ARTS DISTRICT. THEN THE SIGN THAT HAD BLUE STAR, IT WAS AN ADVERTISEMENT. THEY SHOULD BE GRANTED THE GRANDFATHERING OF, OF THE USE OF IT IN THE SAME WAY. BECAUSE IN A WAY, THE BLUE STAR ASPECT OF IT WAS EVEN A STRETCH. 'CAUSE IT WAS ADVERTISING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T EVEN THERE. IT'S FURTHER DOWN THE STREET. AND IF YOU ADD THE, THE ENVIRONMENTS IN THAT AREA THAT HAVE ROLLOUT GRASS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IT'S KIND OF EVOLVED IN AN ECLECTIC WAY THAT IS SOUTH TOWN, THAT PERHAPS IT MAY BE MORE BALANCED AND MUCH MORE AESTHETICALLY POWERFUL IF, IF THE SIGNAGE WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE ARTWORK AND THE LITTLE SIGN FINDS ITS WAY TO THE ENTRY OF THE EITHER SIDE ENTRY OF THE BUILDING, THAT JUST IN TERMS OF THE, THE VISUAL IMPACT, THE POWER, THE AESTHETIC BALANCE, THAT IT MAY BE THE BEST, YOU KNOW, COMPETITIVELY. COMPETITIVELY, RIGHT. AND EVERYBODY'S GOT AN OPINION, UM, IN A COMPETITIVE SENSE. I, I THINK IT WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION TO GIVE THEM THE LEEWAY TO DO IT AS THEY'RE PRESENTING. UM, BUT OF COURSE, IF, IF THE WILL OF THE BOARD IS TO, TO DO IT IN THIS MANNER, YOU KNOW, APPLICANT FIND MY SUPPORT. SO WILL THIS COMMISSION. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BILLBOARD SIGN, NOT THE LUNA ROSA SIGN. SO WHETHER THE APPLICANT WANTS TO MOVE THAT TO ANOTHER LOCATION IS GONNA BE UP TO THEM. SO, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TODAY. RIGHT? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US IS THE BILLBOARD SIGN, NOT THE SMALL SIGN. YES. BUT, BUT AS A BILLBOARD SIGN WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIR AS A BILLBOARD, SIGN THAT, THAT KIND OF INFERS SIGNAGE AS A BILLBOARD ART PIECE. IT PROHIBITS SIGNAGE. SO IF THE, IF THE, IF THE INTENT OF THE MOTION IS TO INFER SIGNAGE, THEN I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL, UH, UH, CLARIFICATION. COMMISSIONER GROUP. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, SIR. SHOULD WE CLARIFY THAT THOUGH, MR. CHAIR? IS IT, IS IT, ARE WE INFERRING SIGNAGE OR ARE WE MANDATING ART? THE MANDATING ART? YOU KNOW, CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT REALLY QUICK? YEAH, PLEASE. HI. SO I'M WITH THE TEXAS RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION AND THE ELAS FAMILY. THEY'RE MEMBERS OF THE TEXAS RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION. THEY HAVE HAD A RESTAURANT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO AND BROOKS CITY BASE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. THEY WERE WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY THE KING WILLIAM HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. AND IT WAS THE KING WILLIAM HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION THAT APPROVED OF THAT SIGNAGE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, ON THE BUILDING, THAT SMALLER SIGN. SO I, I WOULD NOT WANT TO MOVE IT, UH, WITHOUT APPROVAL OR CONSULTING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND NOR DO THE OWNERS WANT TO REMOVE THAT SIGN OR MOVE IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF WE COULD JUST STICK TO THE BILLBOARD. YES, SIR. AND, UM, YEARS AGO WHEN I WORKED FOR THE CITY, WHEN I WORKED FOR MAYOR HARDBERGER, THAT BILLBOARD, IT WAS A FADED ART PIECE, THE BLUE STAR ART COMPLEX. IT WAS A FADED PIECE OF ART. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO WANT TO INVEST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PUT SOMETHING, A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF ART FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR KING WILLIAM, I, I THINK IS, UH, COMMENDABLE. SO I'D APPRECIATE Y'ALL SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL PLEASE. CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING? SO IN REGARDS TO THE ARTWORK THAT WAS PRESENTED, THE FIRST IMAGE, AND THEN THE SECOND IMAGE WOULD HAD MORE OF THE, THE LEAVES. UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION? SO THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ARTWORK ON THE BILLBOARD THAT DOES, DOES NOT INCLUDE SIGNAGE ELEMENTS, BUT JUST LETTERING, ESSENTIALLY LETTERING AND LOGOS. I SEE. SO WOULD I, WE'D HAVE TO SUBMIT A, UH, SOMETHING DIFFERENT ARTWORK THAN NEW ARTWORK. I THINK THE FINAL ARTWORK, IF YOU COULD JUST SUBMIT TO STAFF, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO RETURN HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO [00:30:01] AYE. SAVINO. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] AGENDA ITEM 20. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 79 6 20 SOUTH PRESA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL RIGID FOAM INSULATION ON THE EXISTING STUCCO CLADDING, AND APPLY A NEW STUCCO ON THE FOAM STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE EXTERIOR CLADDING MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING STUCCO CLADDING WITH STUCCO THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING AND COMPOSITION TEXTURE, APPLICATION TECHNIQUE, COLOR, AND DETAIL. UM, AS A CASE COMMENT, UH, STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED FOR THIS SCOPE OF WORK AND WORK HAS CONTINUED FOLLOWING THE STOP WORK ORDER STAFF DOES HAVE AN UPDATED PHOTO SHOWING THE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY. UM, THE APPLICANT, PABLO RIOS, IS WITH US IN PERSON. AND THEN WE DO HAVE A LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS AS WELL AS A VOICEMAIL. YES, SIR. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS PABLO RIOS. OKAY. IF YOU'D EXPLAIN YES. WHAT HAPPENED HERE. SO, UM, I HAVE A LETTER I'D LIKE TO READ IF I CAN. YEP. UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE PLAN FOR OUR RESTAURANT PROJECT LOCATED AT 6 2 0 SOUTH PRESA. UH, OUR GOAL IS TO SHARE OUR VISION WITH YOU AND THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE CAN HELP BRING CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING. I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE SHARE THE SAME PASSION FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THIS BUILDING AND LOOK FORWARD TO PROVIDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AN EATERY FOR THE ENTIRE CITY TO ENJOY. BARRIO DOG IS A FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED RESTAURANT ESTABLISHED IN 2017. OUR MISSION IS TO IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH A CULTURAL CULINARY EXPERIENCE BY PROVIDING A TASTE OF CHICANO COMFORT FOOD WITH THE EMPHASIS OF USING HIGH QUALITY INGREDIENTS INTO EXPRESS ARTISTIC FLAVOR THAT COMES FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. BARRIO DOG, LIKE MYSELF, WAS BORN IN BARRIO LOGAN, A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD FIVE MINUTES SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO. BARRIO LOGAN IS A NATIONALLY REGISTERED HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS KNOWN FOR ITS RICH CHICANO HISTORY, ART, AND FLAVORS. OUR DECISION TO BUILD OUR NEXT LOCATION IN SOUTHTOWN WAS HEAVILY INFLUENCED ON THE FACT THAT IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE I'M AT HOME. THE ARCHITECTURE, THE COMMUNITY, AND THE VIBE ARE VERY FAMILIAR. AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A PLACE WHERE I NOT ONLY WANNA WORK, BUT ALSO LIVE WITH OVER TWO YEARS OF SEARCHING FOR THE SPOT FOR A SPOT IN SAN ANTONIO. LAST JULY, WE WERE FINALLY GIVEN THE GOOD NEWS BY OUR AGENT THAT OUR RESTAURANT SPACE WOULD BE COMING AVAILABLE. AT FIRST GLANCE, WE KNEW THIS WAS THE PERFECT BUILDING FROM THE MOMENT WE FIRST MET WITH OUR ARCHITECT. THE NUMBER ONE GOAL WAS TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THIS BUILDING. OUR FOCUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION WHILE MEETING ALL CURRENT BUILDING STANDARDS. MY VISION IS TO HAVE A NOSTALGIC ATMOSPHERE WITH MODERN COMFORTS. HOWEVER, WITH A BUILDING NEARLY 100 YEARS OLD, IT IS EASIER SAID THAN DONE. SOME OF THE MAJOR DEFICIENCIES OF THE BUILDING WERE ITS DILAPIDATED METAL ROOF FOUNDATION, AND EXTERIOR WALLS. WE LEARNED AFTER TAKING POSSESSION THAT THEY WERE MAJOR LEAKS AND EVEN WORSE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY ISSUES CAUSED BY ITS CONDITION. OUR APPROACH IN THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN 100% PRESERVATION FOCUSED WITH CAREFUL PLANNING AND RESPECT TO THE BUILDING. WE WERE ABLE TO REMEDY THESE ISSUES BY REINFORCING FOUNDATION, INSTALLING NEW ROOF SYSTEMS, AND UTILIZING AN EXTERIOR STUCCO SYSTEM THAT HAS LOW IMPACT ON THE BUILDING'S ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THE BOARD WILL HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF OUR INTENT TO PRESERVE THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER TO TASTE THE PASSION THAT WE SERVE AT BARRIO DUCK. SO WHEN WE CAME INTO THIS BUILDING, UM, LIKE A MEDICAL EXAMINER, AS YOU START TO TAKE PIECES AND SEE THIS BUILDING FOR WHAT IT IS, WE NOTICED THE DILAPIDATED CONDITION THAT IT WAS IN, AND WE NOTICED THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY MADE OF THREE SEPARATE BUILDINGS. UM, IT HAD STRUCTURAL ISSUES. WE START WITH THAT. UM, THE, THE MAIN BUILDING, UH, WE FOUND RECORDS THAT IT WAS BILLED IN 1896, IT APPEARS IN THE SANBORN MAPS UP 1896. AND IT WAS A SMALL, UH, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. UM, UH, ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH. NOW IN THE EARLY 1930S, TWENTIES TO THIRTIES, THE ENTIRE FRONT OF THAT STRUCTURE WAS DESTROYED TO ADD A FILLING STATION. OKAY? LATER THE REAR OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, ANOTHER BUILDING WAS ADDED THAT BECAME A BATTERY, UH, FACILITY, AND THEN LATER ON BECAME A RESTAURANT. BUT THAT, THAT BUILDING HAS THREE, HAD THREE SEPARATE SLABS, AND THE BUILDING OVER TIME WAS SINKING IN THE ADDITION SPACES. SO, AT THE TIME THAT WE REPAIRED THE, THE, UH, FOUNDATION, UM, YOU [00:35:01] CAN NOTICE DEFINITELY, UH, THAT THE WALLS WERE GOING TO BE THE NEXT BIG CONCERN. UM, WE APPROACHED THIS, UH, PROJECT FOR STUCCO WITH PRESERVING THE, THE MAIN ORIGINAL BUILDING IN MIND, UM, WHILE USING, UH, THE MATERIALS THAT WERE AVAILABLE TODAY TO MEET, UH, EFFICIENCY STANDARDS FOR THE CITY, UM, AND, AND MEET, UH, THE CODES, UH, BY THE CITY. SO WE USED A, UH, A SYSTEM THAT DOES INCLUDE RIGID FOAM AS AN EXTERIOR INSULATION TO MEET OUR RATINGS INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT TO DAMAGE AT ALL ANY OF THE CONCRETE OR BRICK THAT WAS THAT ORIGINAL BUILDING. OKAY. THIS SYSTEM HERE WILL ENSURE THAT THIS BUILDING LOOKS LIKE PERIOD, UH, THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE BUILT, UH, FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS. AND IF IN A HUNDRED YEARS WE WANTED TO TAKE OFF THAT FOAM, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS STILL THERE WITHOUT ANY NAILS, WITHOUT ANY DRILLING. UM, IT'S ALL DONE, UH, WITH CAREFUL PROJECT, UH, STEPS FROM SEALING THE ORIGINAL, UM, BRICK OR CONCRETE, UH, ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE FINAL STEPS OF STUCCO, WHICH I'VE INCLUDED IN OUR PRESENTATION. IT'S A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS OF PRESERVATION. UM, IT TOOK OVER THREE MONTHS JUST TO PREPARE THE BUILDING TO BE ABLE TO BE IN THIS STAGE. UM, AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE, WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU BECAUSE OUR INTENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO PRESERVE THIS BUILDING. I WAS DRAWN TO ITS FILL STATION CHARACTER, AND THAT'S WHY WE RETURNED THE GARAGE DOORS TO IT. UM, SO IT GAVE IT THAT LOOK, UH, THAT IT HAD WHEN IT WAS A FILL STATION. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS WORK. THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. WE, THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 26 20 SOUTH PRESA. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO BELIEVES THAT THE DISREGARD FOR THE PERMITTING PROCESS EXHIBITED AT SIX 20 SOUTH PRESA POINTS TO THE NEED FOR STIFFER PENALTIES AND DAILY FINES FOR VIOLATIONS. OWNERSHIP DID EXTENSIVE WORK OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THEIR BUILDING PERMIT IN JULY, AND AGAIN IN AUGUST. THIS CASE DEMONSTRATES HOW THE LACK OF CONSEQUENCES FOR PERMIT VIOLATIONS ENCOURAGES DISREGARD FOR THE REVIEW PROCESS AND REPETITIVE NON-COMPLIANCE APPROVAL FOR ANY FURTHER WORK SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED UNTIL PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN CORRECTED. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. THE PREVIOUS, UH, THE COMMENT ON THAT VOICEMAIL, UM, HAD TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT I WAS IN HERE BEFORE AND I DID GET AN APPROVAL, UM, BY THE, BY THE STAFF. UM, BECAUSE THE OLD ROOF SYSTEM, WHICH I'VE INCLUDED, UH, PICTURES OF WAS, UM, UH, NOT STRUCTURALLY SOUND. LITERALLY THERE WAS TWO BY FOURS LAYING DOWN WITH METAL, UM, PANELS THAT HAD BEEN THERE FOR HALF A CENTURY AT LEAST. UM, IT COULD HAVE FALLEN ON ANYBODY'S HEAD. SO WE HAD TO REDESIGN A WHOLE TRUSS SYSTEM, WHICH CAUSED THE ROOF LINE TO BE RAISED AT THE HIGHEST POINT OF FOUR INCHES. BUT EVERYTHING WAS DONE TO SCALE AND THAT, THAT WE HAD AN APPROVAL ON ONCE WE CAME IN HERE. UM, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE ON ANYBODY. UH, I'M TRYING TO DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY. UM, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WE, WE CAN APPRECIATE? SO I SAW ONE COMMISSIONER LOOK AT ME. SO YES, THERE WAS A PROJECT HERE BEFORE YOU PREVIOUSLY, UM, WORK BEGAN, UM, PERMITTED WORK. UM, WHAT PROMPTED THE NEXT STOP WORK ORDER WAS THE INSTALLATION OF THE RIGID, UH, FOAM INSTALLATION. SO A STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED. UM, RACHEL MET ON SITE WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT HERE, UM, AND HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT NOT CONTINUING, UM, BUT WORK DID CONTINUE. UM, AND SO WE DO HAVE A PHOTO FROM TODAY AND I THINK IT'S HELPFUL JUST TO SEE THE, THE CURRENT CONDITION SO THAT YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING. OH, YEAH. UM, AND IT'LL HELP WITH YOUR DECISION. HOPEFULLY IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP, WE'RE UNABLE TO OPEN IT IN THE CURRENT FORMAT. SO I'M WORKING ON THAT AND THEN I WILL SHOW IT. ALRIGHT. IT'S A PICTURE. SO CHAIR, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL EXTERIOR MODIFICATION THAT WE WERE APPROVED IN APRIL OR REPAIR THE STUCCO? IT WAS TO RAISE THE PARAPET BY A FEW INCHES. UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME RECESSED AREAS IN THAT PARAPET WALL THAT WERE ALSO APPROVED TO BE KIND OF RELOCATED TO BE CENTERED. UM, AND THEN THERE, IF YOU CAN TELL IN THE OLD PICTURES, THERE WERE SOME SHED ROOFS THAT KIND OF SLOPED OFF OF THE OLD PARAPET WALL SO THAT THAT ROOF IS NOW FULLY BEHIND THE RAISED PARAPET WALL. OKAY. THERE WASN'T LIKE, UM, A PERMIT FOR REPAIRING THE STUCCO OR ANYTHING. LIKE NOT, I MEAN AN ADMINISTRATIVE OR, YEAH, STUCCO REPAIR. STUCCO REPAIR WAS, WAS THE, WAS APPROVED IN APRIL, AND THEN YOU CONTINUED ON THE STOCK WORK ORDER. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT, UM, ON THAT CONTINUOUS [00:40:01] WORK FOR BETWEEN AUGUST 22ND AND TODAY? YEAH, SO LIKE I TOLD RACHEL THAT UNFORTUNATELY FOR ME TO STOP THE WORK AT THAT POINT IN TIME WOULD'VE JEOPARDIZED THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING. IF ANY MOISTURE WOULD'VE GOTTEN IN, UM, TO THAT POINT, UH, WE WOULD'VE HAD SOME SERIOUS FINANCIAL REPERCUSSIONS. UM, I HAD TO CONTINUE WITH THIS PROJECT. IF I WOULD'VE PULLED THE STUCCO TEAM OFF, IT WOULD'VE BEEN ANOTHER SIX MONTHS OF EXPOSURE TO THAT BUILDING. UM, I COULDN'T AFFORD THAT. THAT WOULD BANKRUPT THE PROJECT AND WE WOULD HAVE A VACANT BUILDING THAT WOULD BE INCOMPLETE. UM, I'M NOT A BIG CORPORATION. I'M A FAMILY OWNED RESTAURANT. UM, I MORTGAGED MY HOUSE SO I CAN DO THIS PROJECT. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO IT AND DO IT RIGHT. AND, AND, AND WITH THE APPROVAL, MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SO SIR, UM, I'M, I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING TO YOU INTENTLY AND I'M, I'M, I'M HEARING, I'M SENSING SOME DECEPTION HERE AND I'M HOPING IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT INTENTIONAL. UM, BUT THE, WHEN THE CASE WAS READ, IT MENTIONED THAT WORK CONTINUED AFTER THE STOP OR TWO STOP WARS WERE DONE MENTIONED, AND THEN YOU CONTINUED TO WORK. SECONDLY, UM, THEN YOU, UM, JUST WHEN COMMISSIONER GROUP ASKED YOU A QUESTION, YOU UM, SHE ASKED YOU WHY DID YOU CONTINUE, THEN YOU CONTINUED TO SAY, OH, WELL, BECAUSE WE CONTINUED THEN WE WOULD HAD A, YOU KNOW, THE COST US THIS TIME AND MONEY AND THINGS OF NATURE. AND BUT WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I MEAN, WHEN WE ISSUED A STOP ORDER, OR I SHOULD SAY WHEN O H P ISSUED A STOP ORDER, I, I THINK THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IT WITHOUT PROPER APPROVAL THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION FURTHER, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST I TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHY DID YOU CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND WHEN YOU KNOW THAT THAT WASN'T WHAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING? OKAY. SO, UM, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, IF I WOULD'VE LEFT IT IN THE STATE WHEN SHE ARRIVED, UH, TO GIVE ME THE STOP ORDER, WE WOULD'VE RUINED THE WORK UP UNTIL THAT POINT BECAUSE WE DID GET RAIN THE VERY NEXT DAY OR THE DAY AFTER. SO I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT THE WORK THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE TO THIS BUILDING THAT THAT'S THE MAIN FOCUS OF GOING FORWARD WITH THE, THE, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION. SO BASICALLY JUST DISREGARDING THAT BECAUSE YOU, BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT YOU DID WITHOUT APPROVAL, THAT YOU WANTED TO PROTECT THAT EVEN FURTHER ONCE YOU WERE EVEN TOLD. SO FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I NEEDED ADDITIONAL APPROVAL BA BASED ON WHAT I HAD BEEN GIVEN IN APRIL. THERE WAS NO, I DIDN'T KNOW. I, LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT, THAT WASN'T ON THE APPROVAL. IT'S WHEN THEY SAW THE RIGID FOAM THAT THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. AND FROM THEN ON THE STOP ORDER WAS PLACED. I HAD TO CONTINUE BECAUSE OF MOISTURE EXPOSURE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. I CONTINUED WITH THAT WORK FROM THE 22ND. THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UM, YES, THE PHOTO THAT WE SEE UP, THAT IS THE CURRENT CONDITION. YEAH. DO YOU FEEL THAT LOOKS SIMILAR OR SLIGHTLY SIMILAR TO THE BUILDING YOU BEGAN WITH OR DOES IT LOOK START LOOKING DIFFERENT? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, HAS ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS TO SCALE THAT WE STARTED WITH, AND WE MADE SURE OF THAT. THE ONLY THING THAT'S DIFFERENT IS THE COLOR, BUT THE MATERIALS, WE OBVIOUSLY, UH, HAVE UPDATED MATERIALS. UH, WHEN I TOOK POSSESSION OF THAT BUILDING, THAT WHOLE STOREFRONT WAS PUT TOGETHER WITH PARTICLE BOARD AND TERMITE ROTTED OUT. SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FORMS, THE SIZE AND THE PROPORTION. TO ME IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY DIFFERENT. AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU NOTICED HOW DIFFERENT IT LOOKS FROM THE PRE, FROM THE EARLIER VERSION OR WHEN YOU PURCHASED IT. TO ME, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THANK YOU. IT'S DIFFERENT. NO, YEAH. I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION. UM, THE FACT THAT YOU ADDED INSULATION TO ALL THE EXTERIOR DETAILS, EVEN IF YOU REPLICATED THEM, THE PROPORTIONS AND EVERYTHING JUST GOT LARGER. UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOT WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. AND, UM, THIS ONE'S A TOUGH ONE. UH, WHEN YOU FOUND OUT THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, ONCE YOU GOT INTO IT, DID YOU EXPLORE OTHER, UH, WAYS TO INSULATE THE BUILDING, UH, FROM THE INSIDE AND THEN DO A PROPER, UH, STUCCO REPAIR ON THE OUTSIDE? SO, UM, WE DID EXPLORE VARIOUS OPTIONS AND BECAUSE OF THE SEVERITY OF THE WALL ON THAT SOUTH SIDE, [00:45:01] UM, THE STUCCO CONTRACTOR MADE THE DECISION THAT THE BEST THING TO DO BECAUSE IT WAS, THERE WAS HOLES IN THAT BUILDING. THERE'S CRACKS THAT I INCLUDED IN, IN MY PRESENTATION OF THE SEVERITY OF THE CONDITION OF THAT, OF THAT WALL. WE MADE THE DECISION, UM, BASED ON WHAT WAS BEST FOR THE BUILDING WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANY FURTHER DAMAGE TO IT. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO, TO GET INTO COM INTO A CONVERSATION. WE NEED A MOTION. SO I WANNA MAKE A MOTION. UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE AS, UH, PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. THEN WE CAN GET INTO CONVERSATION THAT CAN PASS OR FAIL, DEPENDING IF I COULD GET A SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO, DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. OKAY, MR. CHAIR. YOU, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE THE PREVIOUS SIGNS, UM, THE AREA AT THE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UH, REVITALIZATION WAS AN AREA THAT, THAT WAS VERY RUNDOWN. MOST PEOPLE DON'T BE BEFORE SOUTHTOWN. MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T GO TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WAS A VERY POOR, VERY, VERY POOR AREA. THE, THE, THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS APPLICANT TO ME SPEAKS VOLUMES WHEN HE, WHEN HE F FOUNDS HIS DIALOGUE ON THE HISTORY OF WHAT HE KNOWS, WHICH IS REALLY FORGOTTEN HISTORY ABOUT THIS BUILDING, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS THAT IT'S BEEN. AND, AND, AND EVERY TIME THERE'S BEEN A DIFFERENT RESTAURANT SOMEONE HAS GONE IN AND, AND PUT IN WINDOWS OR TAKEN WINDOWS OUT AND, AND IT, AND IT'S A C M U BLOCK BUILDING THAT THAT IS REALLY A, A SYMPTOM OF, UH, KINDA LOWER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY POUR FOUNDATION ON TOP OF A FOUNDATION. ON TOP OF FOUNDATION. UH, BEFORE LONG A THING IS JUST, UM, COLLAPSING. AND ONE, ONE OF THE REALLY INTERESTING DETAILS IS THE TWO BY FOUR. 'CAUSE THERE'S A PICTURE OF IT, UH, THE, UM, CORRUGATED TIN ON TWO BY FOURS, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF AMAZING THAT THERE WAS A RESTAURANT IN THERE OPERATING THAT WAY. AND HIS, THE SENIOR VEGGIE WAS THERE, THERE WAS ANOTHER RESTAURANT BEFORE THAT. UM, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMPELLING ARGUMENT THAT THIS APPLICANT IS MAKING WITH RESPECT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE GONNA REPAIR STUCCO AND, AND, AND POSSIBLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE I E C C AND WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR ENERGY COMPLIANCE AND THE RIGID FOAM IN A LOT OF CASES, WHAT WOULD THEY CALL THAT? EFIS, RIGHT? UM, THAT YES, IT, IT DOES CHANGE THE MASSING IN TERMS OF THE DIMENSION, THE DIMENSIONING. I DO APPRECIATE KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT IN, IN A WAY THE REVERSIBILITY OF THIS, OF CIRCUMSTANCE, WHICH IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 'CAUSE THEY'RE FROM CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ADVANCED UNDERSTANDING OF, OF, OF THE LANGUAGE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY STRINGENT IN CALIFORNIA, UM, ABOUT THE, THE LANGUAGE OF ARCHITECTURE. BUT, UM, IT, IT, IT, IT IS A VERY COMPELLING ARGUMENT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THEM TAKING SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN AN EYESORE THAT HAS THAT, THAT THAT REALLY IS ONE OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU JUST PAINT IT PRETTY COLORS AND THEN IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN TURN THEIR BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE IT LOOKS GOOD, RIGHT? WHEN IN REALITY IT'S JUST PAINTED THAT THIS SEEMS TO BE A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. AND, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UM, THE, THE BREAK BETWEEN THE STOP ORDER AND THE COMPLETION OF THE STUCCO OR THE, OF THE EVIS BOARD, MR. CHAIR OF THE TIME. OKAY. I DIDN'T HEAR BELL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, MR. CHAIR. I'LL YIELD SOME OF MY TIME TO COMMISSIONER VASKIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. JIMMY. COMMISSIONER JIMMY. UM, THAT, THAT, THAT IN THE TIME, THE BREAK BETWEEN, UH, THE STOP ORDER AND THE, AND THE, UH, THE COMPLETION OF THAT, OF THAT SYSTEM AND THAT THEY'RE HERE NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT AMOUNT OF, UH, DISCRETION WARRANTS A PERSON SAYING THAT THEY HAVE AN INVESTMENT AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THEIR WORK WITH A PARTICULAR UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS PART OF THE STUCCO REPAIR. AND NOW HERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE AND THEY'VE GOT IT COMPLETED. I THINK THIS APPLICANT HAS, HAS, HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING HIS UNDERSTANDING OF THIS BUILDING, DONE A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING HIS INTENT AND HAS STOPPED AND, AND, AND, AND HERE WE ARE. SO, SO I ASKED THE COMMISSION TO PLEASE LOOK AT THE PICTURES THAT, THAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT SHOWS EXTENSIVE WORK OF, OF FOUNDATION REMOVAL OF THAT SUBSTANDARD ROOF THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND NOW I'M SURE IS, UH, CORRECT. AND, UM, AND THE, THE [00:50:01] MOST OUTSTANDING THING IS THE CHOICE OF COLORS FOR ME. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JIMMY, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, UH, SINCE THE STOP WORK ORDER, WHAT OTHER WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO THE BUILDING? SO THAT'S WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW, AS OF THIS MORNING. UM, RIGHT NOW I HAVE AN EPOXY TEAM DOING MY EPOXY IN THE KITCHEN AND IN THE BAR AREA. UM, WHAT THE NEXT STEP FOR US IS TO, UH, COMPLETE THE CAPS AT THE TOP OF THE PILLARS, WHICH ARE MADE OF ROOF MATERIAL, UM, TO COLOR MATCH. AND THEN THERE'S THE COLOR MATCHED FLASHING THAT PROTECTS THE, THE ROOF. SO THAT'S, THAT GOES ON NEXT, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OF THAT UNTIL WE HEAR FROM YOU. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THERE. SO SINCE THE STOP WORK ORDER, YOU FINISHED THE STUCCO, DID YOU PAINT AFTER THAT? SO, STUCCO PAINT, PAINT AND PAINT WAS RIGHT AFTER STUCCO, LIKE IT HAPPENED WITHIN A MATTER OF DAYS. IT'S THE SAME TEAM, MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO I'LL, I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IS REALLY, I MEAN, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE REVERSIBILITY AND, AND ALSO JUST THE MIDDLE SOLUTION, BUT I AGREE THAT A LOT OF CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE BUILDING AND EVEN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS HAVE REALLY, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE REPLICATED THEM IN A WAY, I THINK THEY HAVE KIND OF, WE'VE LOST THEM, ESPECIALLY ON THE TOP CAPS THAT YOU ALSO MENTIONED. UM, SO I MEAN, I WOULD BE WILLING TO ALSO MAYBE DO AN AMENDMENT TO A D R C AND SEE IS THERE ANY WAY, IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE 38. RACHEL, WHAT ABOUT THOSE BRICK SIDE SUB THE BUILDING THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF APPLICANTS THAT PUT IN A LOT OF EFFORT TO REPAIR CONDITION, YOU KNOW, WALLS AND IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LESSER INVESTMENT AND MAYBE THERE'S A WAY THAT SOME OF THESE EXTERIOR WALLS CAN COME BACK TO WHAT THEY WERE. SO REMOVING THAT FOAM STUCCO LAYER AND REPAIR SOME OF THESE BRICK WALLS, WHETHER YOU WANNA INSULATE, YOU CAN DO IT FROM THE INSIDE, BUT I, I MEAN, I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT I'LL BE WILLING TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME OPTIONS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESERVE AT LEAST MORE OF THE BUILDING AND NOT JUST GO WITH A FULL, YOU KNOW, COVER EVERYTHING UP. GOT IT. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. FOR THE INITIAL REQUEST WITH THE, WAS THE, UM, INCREASE IN MASSING PART OF THE, PART OF THE, UH, REQUEST WITH THE, WITH WHAT THE I FACE OR WHAT THE FOAM DID INCREASE? THE SIZE, THE HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, WAS THAT PART OF THE INITIAL REQUEST? SO WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED IS THE RAISING OF THE PARAPET TO THE HEIGHT YOU SEE. SO THAT'S COMPLIANT. UM, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE EFIS PANELS, EVERYTHING AS WE DISCUSSED, LIKE THE DIMENSIONALITY IS LIKE A LITTLE BIT THICKER, BUT DIMENSIONALLY OVERALL, LIKE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MY FEELINGS ON THIS, AND MY OBSERVATION ON THIS IS THAT, UM, THIS IS QUITE THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY, QUITE THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY. THE BUILDING AS IT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED, SERVED A NUMBER OF RESTAURANTS WITH MINOR CHANGES HERE AND THERE. ESSENTIALLY IT WAS THE BUILDING WITH THE GAS STATION. EVERYBODY KNEW THAT. AND THE, THE DIFFERENT VOLUMES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED OVER THE YEARS IS PART OF THAT CHARACTER. IT'S PART OF THE SCALE THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE A HUMAN SCALE TO THIS RESTAURANT. SO, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS MISSED IS THE COLLABORATION WITH CITY STAFF, WITH DESIGNERS, WITH THE PROCESS THAT WOULD YIELD SOLUTIONS TO YOUR INSULATION PROBLEM, YOUR LEAKING PROBLEM, AND ALL THOSE OTHER ISSUES YOU HAD IN PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS. OKAY. SO, UM, AND, BUT HERE YOU ARE NOW WITH A BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN, THE, THE VOLUMES HAVE BEEN, UM, MERGED, HAVE BEEN DISSOLVED. SO, UH, THAT BACK VOLUME WHERE WE HAD ORIGINALLY TWO OF THEM VERY DISTINCT WITH DIFFERENT ROOF HEIGHTS, THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT ROOF ISSUE AND STILL KEEP THOSE VOLUMES. YOU'VE PUT IT ALL INTO ONE BIG BOX. UM, THIS BUILDING IS NOT THE BUILDING IN THIS HISTORIC AREA IN LAVACCA. THIS IS NOT THAT BUILDING. THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. IT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. AND, UM, I I, I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME EFFORT, SOME SERIOUS EFFORT TO, TO BRING IT BACK. THE WORK YOU'RE DOING ON THE INSIDE IS WONDERFUL AND IS PROBABLY BADLY NEEDED. UM, SO I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE, UM, BUILDING PERMITS FOR EVERYTHING ALSO, RIGHT? YES. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S THE SAFETY PART. YEAH. WOULDN'T YOU SAY LIKEWISE, I'M HOPING [00:55:01] THAT THE SAME, THAT GOOD DILIGENCE WILL BE USED WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WHEN THERE IS A RESTAURANT. ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, IS THIS HOW, HOW CASUAL AND HOW QUICKLY ARE WE GOING TO FIX THINGS WITHOUT OBSERVING THE PROCESS THAT'S IN PLACE THAT ALL BUSINESSES AND ALL PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS ARE EXPECTED TO FOLLOW, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, FOR THAT REASON, I, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT REQUEST. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, SO MY COMMENTS WILL BE BRIEFED BECAUSE, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP AND COMMISSIONER SAVINO PRETTY MUCH STOLE MY THUNDER. UM, AND I TOO WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION BECAUSE I, I FEEL AS THOUGH THE, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE HERE, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS AT A POINT WHERE YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED THAT. AND I, I THINK THAT IT JUST, IT JUST, TO ME, IT SHOWS DISREGARD THAT WHEN STAFF COMES IN AND SAYS, OKAY, WE NEED TO STOP THIS. YOU KNOW, YOU CONTINUED NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE. AND SO, UM, A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. YES, DEFINITELY. WE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE. SO AGAIN, I WILL NOT BE PUT IN MOTION. THANK YOU. YES. AND I WILL NOT BE SUBMITTING, UH, SUPPORTING THE, UH, MOTION EITHER. UM, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY SOME, UM, MISSED OPPORTUNITIES LIKE COMMISSIONER SAVINO SAID, UM, YOU KNEW THAT PERMITS WERE REQUIRED AND YOU CAME IN AND GOT, UH, WHAT YOU NEEDED. UH, SO WHEN, UH, CONTRACTOR DECIDED OR CONVINCED YOU TO, UH, SHEATH THE BUILDING WITH THE INSULATION AND EVERYTHING, THAT WAS A HUGE CHANGE IN THE SCOPE OF WORK. AND, UM, I WOULD'VE HOPED THAT YOU WOULD'VE COME BACK TO STAFF AND TALKED TO THEM BEFORE THAT WORK HAD STARTED. UM, SINCE YOU OBVIOUSLY KNEW THE PROCESS FOR GETTING THROUGH PERMITS AND ALL THAT, UH, IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION, BUT, UM, I WOULD'VE HOPED THAT YOU WOULD'VE COME BACK TO TALK TO STAFF TO SEE WHAT COULD HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN DONE. SO I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR. IF, IF IT'S ALREADY GOING AROUND ANY OTHER, OKAY. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, IF WE COULD GET STAFF TO PUT THE PHOTO THAT'S, THAT'S FROM THE PACKAGE ASSIST STOREFRONT. UM, YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, I, I, UH, I DON'T EVER CONSIDER THAT, THAT IT'S THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION TO ISSUE CONSEQUENCES. SO, SO I LIKE TO LOOK AT IT JUST WITH RESPECT TO A NEUTRAL EYE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR INAPPROPRIATENESS. WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STOREFRONT PICTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE A HOLISTIC PICTURE. IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS INTENTIONAL 'CAUSE EVERYTHING IS STUCK TOGETHER AND PAINTED OVER. BUT, BUT A TRAINED EYE CAN SEE THAT, THAT THERE'S A PIECE OF SHEET METAL THAT'S STRAPPED OVER THE PARAPET AND JUST TACKED DOWN THAT DOESN'T MEET CODE. AND YOU WOULD NEVER DO THAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOWS, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THOSE WINDOWS, THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ANYTHING THAT SOMEBODY, UH, PAID SOMEBODY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, WINDOW GUY TO COME IN AND DO APPROPRIATE WINDOWS. THOSE ARE WINDOWS THAT SOMEBODY BUILT THERE ON SITE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GUTTERS, YOU SEE THE BOXES AT THE, AT THE ROOF HEIGHTS OF, OF THE, UH, THE SIDES THAT ARE, UH, PERPENDICULAR AND PARALLEL ON THE, ON THE OTTER EDGE, UH, THAT THEY JUST, JUST DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE. SO NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BLUE PICTURE VERSUS THIS YELLOW PICTURE, THE HEIGHT IS TALLER, BUT STAFF DID CLARIFY VERY CLEARLY THAT THEY HAD APPROVAL TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE PARAPET. NOW, I WOULD, I WOULD BE WITH THE COMMISSION IN AN ARGUMENT THAT SAYS THAT WHEN YOU CHANGE THAT PARA PIT 24 INCHES, IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE ENTIRE MASSING LOOK OF THIS FROM THE STREET. AND IT DOES. BUT THEY HAD PERMISSION TO DO THAT. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REALLY THE MOST, UM, LET'S SAY EGREGIOUS AESTHETIC THAT WE CAN SEE HERE, IT'S GONNA BE THE FACT THAT IT'S BLUE AND GRAY ON ONE END AND THE OTHER END THAT THE MASSING CHANGES, BUT THE MASSING WAS DONE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR APPROVALS. IT SEEMS TO ME THE ONLY OUTSTANDING CIRCUMSTANCES IS THE EFIS OR THE, OR THE INSULATION BOARD ON THE OUTER SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT WAS LOST IN THE TRANSLATION BETWEEN STUCCO REPAIR AND, YOU KNOW, AN OVERARCHING, UM, UM, INTRODUCTION OF A, OF A MATERIAL THAT DOES INCREASE [01:00:01] THE, THE, THE THICKNESS OF, OF THE WALL AND OF THE BUILDING TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. AND IT'S MASSING. BUT THE, BUT THE, THE GREATER, UH, IMPACT IS THE HEIGHT THAT WAS DONE WITH, WITH THE PERMISSION. AND I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN VERY FORTHRIGHT ABOUT ALL OF THOSE DETAILS. UM, I WOULD, UH, UH, ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO, TO REALLY CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES OR THE, THE, THE REALITY OF REVERSING A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT EXISTS, THAT'S READY TO GO. AND THAT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE CAN SEE WHERE THE CONFUSION OCCURRED. UH, CONSEQUENCES ARE NOT A PART OF THIS COMMISSION'S PURVIEW, BUT, UH, MOST DEFINITELY BEING SENSITIVE AND, AND, UM, UH, AND TRUSTING TO SOME DEGREE, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO I ENCOURAGE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO SUPPORT MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE MOTION. SUBSTITUTE MOTION. IS THAT A MOTION TO AMEND? CAN YOU CLARIFY? I'M SORRY. A MOTION TO AMEND. OKAY. UM, TO GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, DENY THE APPROVAL OF THE EXTERIOR CLADDING. UM, SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION SECOND FOR AN ALTERNATE? IT IS AN ALTERNATE MOTION. YES. YES. ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, I WAS GONNA ASK, I THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE FIRST, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA HAVE, HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED MOTION. I MEAN, I, I, I WOULD JUST SAY, UM, I THINK, UM, I MEAN, IT GIVES THE APPLICANT STILL AN OPTION TO GO TO A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, BUT I THINK STAFF HAS A RIGHT ON THIS ONE. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THE FIRST MOTION WAS GONNA PASS ANYWAY, SO I WOULD SUPPORT THIS MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINA? YEAH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION LEFT OVER FROM A FEW, A FEW MOMENTS AGO. AS WE'RE LOOKING AT PAGE 16 IN THE PRESENTATION PACKAGE, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHEN THAT RENDERING WAS AT WHAT PART OF YOUR PROCESS YOUR DESIGN WAS THAT RENDERING? AT THE BEGINNING. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S BEEN IN THE, I JUST INCLUDED IT HERE, BUT, UM, IT'S BEEN PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING. IT'S BEEN REALLY THE INTENT SINCE THE, SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING. SURE, SURE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHY IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE BUILT, IT'S WHAT WE BUILT AND TO THE DISCUSSION FOR THE AMENDED MOTION, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED MOTION? YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR. I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK COMMISSIONER ZUKO WAS GONNA SAY SOMETHING. I, I WAS GONNA SAY, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT CASE. I WOULD'VE PREFERRED A D R C WHERE WE GO TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE. MR. VELASQUEZ MADE SOME VERY GOOD COMMENTS ABOUT RAISING THE PARAPET, AND YOU DO CHANGE THE PROPORTIONS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING BY DOING THAT. UH, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST EFFECTS OF CHANGING THE, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING. UM, THOSE ARE MY FEELINGS. I SUPPOSE I SHOULD SAY. I'M NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDED AMENDMENT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER S STAFF, THIS RENDERING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, WAS THAT SUBMITTED IN THE PACKET FROM THE VERY BEGINNING? YES. YES IT WAS. OKAY. SO WE KNEW IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE THIS THEN. YEAH. SO THE CONCERN IS NOT THE PAINT COLORS. THE CONCERN IS THE METHOD BY WHICH THERE WAS A NEW LAYER OF INSULATION AND STUCCO APPLIED. CORRECT. AND THE, UH, THE HEIGHTS, THE WINDOWS, THE EVERYTHING'S BEEN APPROVED. IT'S JUST THE EFIS THAT THE WORK ORDER WAS GIVEN ON THE NOOK SIZES, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOVE THE CANOPIES, ABOVE THE DOORS, ALL THAT'S BEEN APPROVED. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I WANNA CLARIFY ALSO WITH REGARDS TO EFIS, I HAVE A QUESTION. I, I GUESS, YEAH. I MEAN, THIS CANNOT BE, BUT THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION AT ALL HAD STUCCO REPAIR AND BRICK REPAIR, AND THEN PAINT. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, CAN WE DO ANOTHER AMENDMENT OKAY. ON THE AMENDED MOTION? YES. YES. MR. CHAIR. AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT, OUR, OUR ACTIVITY HERE IS INDICATIVE RIGHT OF, OF, YOU KNOW, OUR CREATIVITY VERSUS OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, DELIBERATION BASED ON THE, I GUESS THE FINDINGS OF FACT BEFORE US, RIGHT? THAT WE HAVE AN, AN IMAGE THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE. WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST AN EXACT REPLICA OF WHAT HAS BEEN IN THE INSIDE OF THE PACKAGE ALL THIS TIME. UM, THE, THE, IT WAS VERY [01:05:01] CLEAR TO, TO STAFF THAT THE PROPORTIONS WERE GONNA CHANGE AND THAT WHEN WE SEE THE ACCEPTABLE PROPORTIONS FROM THE PRESENTATION, THEY MATCH THE PROPORTIONS OF THE BUILDING. SO THE SINGLE ITEM THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, REALLY, THAT, THAT IS BEFORE US IS THE EFAS, OR THE INSTALLATION BOARD AND THE AL ALTERNATE, UM, AMENDED MOTION IS REALLY THE SAME AS THE OTHER MOTION. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHICH ONE GETS A MAJORITY. IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES THE, THE END RESULT, RIGHT. UM, SO I, I, I, I REALLY, UH, WANNA JUST IMPRESS THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN OUR PURVIEW THAT, THAT, THAT PROVIDES US WITH THE POWER OF CONSEQUENCES THAT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, AND THEN I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO, TO, TO REALLY SEE THAT WE CAN DRAG A PROJECT ALONG AS LONG AS WE WANT TO. 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK WE CONFUSE POWER WITH AUTHORITY AND, AND, UM, THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN HONEST AND, AND, AND HAS, YOU KNOW, BEEN, BEEN KIND OF PUT ON THE SPOT. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS SITUATION RISES TO, TO, TO, UH, UH, UH, A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THE CONFUSION IS NOT EVIDENT. THERE. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME CONFUSION THAT OCCURRED AND, AND IT SHOULD NOT RESULT IN CONSEQUENCES TO, UM, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENTS OF THIS, THIS CORNER OF THIS COMMUNITY. THAT, THAT IS MORE AN ASSET IN, IN EXISTENCE THAN IT, THAN IT IS THE WAY THAT IT, THE WAY THAT IT WAS. AND, AND, AND THE, THE HIDDEN, UM, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS OF THIS BUILDING ARE EVIDENT IN WHAT WE SEE IN THAT ROOF THAT SAID TWO BY FOUR WITH A CORRUGATED 10, WITH ALMOST A ZERO SLOPE THAT WE WOULD RATHER THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BEING SENSIBLE. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. AND I'LL BE VOTING, UM, AGAINST THE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. UH, MR. CHAIR. YES. I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE LAST OBSERVATION TO MAKE ON THIS ONE. WE GET FROM LOTS OF INVESTORS, DEVELOPERS, EVEN HOMEOWNERS, AND OF COURSE, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, RENDERINGS, COLORED RENDERINGS. AND IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN PACKAGE THAT THE CLIENT GETS. AT NO POINT DO WE LOOK, I'M ASSUMING STAFF DO, DOES STAFF LOOK AT THAT AND TAKE THAT? LITERALLY, THERE'S SO MANY OTHER BITS OF INFORMATION IN THE DRAWINGS, IN THE TEXT DESCRIPTION, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION AND THE PROCESS WITH STAFF COMES INTO PLAY AND WHY THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. UM, I'VE SEEN JUST TONS OF RENDERINGS THAT ARE JUST GLORIOUS AND WONDERFUL AND SHOW ALL SORTS OF THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT IS BEING, UH, REVIEWED. IT'S THE DRAWINGS AND THE NOTES AND THE SPECIFICATIONS. SO, UM, UH, I WOULD JUST ADD CAUTION TO, TO FOLKS WHO ARE PRESENTING RENDERINGS AS WELL AS THOSE OF US LOOKING AT IT TO DETERMINE WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND REVIEWED BY STAFF. WE, UM, WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE RENDERINGS, THEY WERE SUBMITTED WITH FULL PLANS TOO. SO IT WASN'T JUST RENDERINGS, RIGHT, RIGHT. YES, EXACTLY. SO IT'S NOT THE RENDERING THAT REALLY DRIVES WHAT, UM, ALL DECISIONS. IT'S EVERYTHING INCLUDING THOSE DRAWINGS AND THE SPECS. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO, TO ADD THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RENDERING'S FANTASTIC AND, BUT WE SEE A LOT OF THAT, BUT IT LOOKS IDENTICAL TO THE BUILDING. YEAH. THANKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION, WAS THERE ANOTHER AMENDED MOTION? DID SOMEONE MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT? I ASKED IF IT WAS AN OPTION, BUT I'M NOT MAKING ONE. I, I WANTED TO SEE IF THAT WAS AN OPTION. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW. I'D RATHER VOTE FOR THIS ONE FIRST. SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO AYE. SAVINO. AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY. MAZUA A ADA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES NAY, HOLLAND AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. AMENDED. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. SINCE THE AMEND, THE MOTION CARRIES, WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL CORRECT. MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED. THE NEXT VOTE MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT. THE NEW MOTION APPROVE THE MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED. OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE THE MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. UH, MR. CHAIR, CAN YOU CLARIFY OR CAN STAFF CLARIFY THE WORDING EXACTLY FOR THAT ONE? IT'S ESSENTIALLY MR. HOLLAND'S MOTION TO APPROVE. APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS TO REMOVE THE, THE EVAS. OKAY, THANKS. [01:10:01] OKAY, ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY. ZUKA NAY. GUEVARA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? NO. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YES. IN THIS CASE, WHAT IS MY NEXT STEP? IS THERE AN APPEAL PROCESS? HOW DOES THAT WORK? THERE WOULD BE AN APPEAL PROCESS THAT STAFF CAN, UH, HELP YOU THROUGH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 21 HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. SO AGENDA ITEM 22. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 58 2 0 5 WEST ATCH. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD DROP SIDING WITH COMPOSITION LAPSED SIDING. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF SIDING REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A REPLACEMENT SIDING THAT IS FULLY WOOD OR A COMPOSITE PRODUCT THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING SIDING PROFILE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THE APPLICANT IS WITH US HERE IN PERSON. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS UH, ROBERT BELDEN. I REPRESENT INTEGRITY ROOFING AND SIDING. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ST. ANTHONY MIDDLE SCHOOL AND I BROUGHT SAMPLES OF THE TYPE OF PRODUCT, UH, WE INTEND TO INSTALL OUT THERE, REQUESTING TO SEE IF WE CAN INSTALL IT'S HARDY BOARD SIDING. I BELIEVE THE INITIAL CONCERN WAS THAT THE SIDING NOT HAVE A WOOD GRAIN APPEARANCE, THAT IT BE SMOOTH. SO THESE ARE THE SAMPLES THAT I BROUGHT FOR THE ABOARD. ALSO, ANY TRIM BOARDS ASSOCIATED THAT WILL ALSO BE SMOOTH. LEMME DO THAT. OKAY. AND STAFF CAN ADD SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION INCLUDES MATCHING THE EXISTING SIDING PROFILE. SO THE PREVIOUS, UM, MATERIAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED DOES NOT MATCH THE EXISTING PROFILE. RIGHT. SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS A COLONIAL LAP SIDING, AND THAT IS A COLONIAL LAP SITING PRODUCT FROM HARDY. I CAN SHOW YOU BY PUTTING, JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW THIS IS INSTALLED, IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS. SO THAT LAP GROOVE WILL BE THERE, LIKE THE PREVIOUS, ADMITTEDLY NOT EXACTLY, BUT THIS IS THE PRODUCT THAT, THIS IS THEIR COLONIAL LAP SIDING. OKAY. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. SINA? UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, FOR QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO WITH THIS, UM, NEW PIECE AND THIS NEW PROFILE, DOES THIS MATCH YOUR RECOMMENDATION? UM, STAFF HASN'T REVIEWED THIS PRODUCT. I BELIEVE THAT IT DOESN'T QUITE MATCH IN PROFILE. WE HAD RECOMMENDED A SQUARE CHANNEL PROFILE, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED. YEAH, I MEAN THE EXISTING SIDING HAS SORT OF LIKE THAT DROP PROFILE AND THIS JUST LOOKS LIKE LAP, LIKE COLLABORATIVE SIDING MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT DOES. IS THERE A, A CEMENT BOARD MANUFACTURER THAT MAKES A MORE DEFINED DUTCH LAP SIDING? THAT'S THE ONE WE WERE RECOMMENDING. IT'S A, IT'S A HARDY ARTISAN PRODUCT AND IT'S NOT A DUTCH LAP, BUT IT IS A C CHANNEL AND SO IT HAS A VERY SIMILAR PROFILE AND SHADOW LINE. OKAY. AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER SURE. USING? ABSOLUTELY. YOU WOULD? YEAH, WE ARE, WE'RE CERTIFIED INSTALLER OF ALL, UH, JAMES HARDY PRODUCT, SO OKAY. WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? UHM, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SABINA? AYE. UH, VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ABOUT ME AND GIBBS. AYE. JUST LEAVE ME OUT . SO MOTION PASSES. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND JUST SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION AND UH, I WOULD SUGGEST BRINGING A SAMPLE TO STAFF BEFORE YOU DO ANY. OKAY. UH, PURCHASE AND INSTALL. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 23. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 22 5 0 6 STEER. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT ONE MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE ON THE LOT ADDRESSED [01:15:01] 5 0 6 STEER. THE STRUCTURE WILL FEATURE FIVE 2.5 STORY ATTACHED UNITS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH O. THE APPLICANT SHOULD ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE THAT THE APPLICANT GREATLY REDUCES THE MASSING AND BUILDING VOLUME SO THAT IT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND LOCK COVERAGE FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS D E N F TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASES THE SETBACK OF THE FRONT UNIT TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE DISTRICT. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS D AND G THREE, THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING SHOULD BE REDUCED TO ALIGN WITH PREDOMINANT HEIGHT SETBACK PATTERNS AND RELATIONSHIPS. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS D E N F FOUR, THAT THE ROOF PLANE ON THE FRONT AND REAR FACADES IS REDUCED TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED CONTEXT AREA BASED ON FINDING H UPDATED DRAWINGS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FIVE, THAT THE WINDOWS ARE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD AND FEATURE AN INSET OF TWO INCHES AND MEET STAFF STANDARD, UH, SPECIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING J SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED PORCH COLUMNS, RAILINGS, AND GARAGE TRELLIS TO STAFF REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING K SEVEN, THAT DETACHED GARAGES OR PARKING AREAS BE UTILIZED INSTEAD OF ATTACHED GARAGES AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AS NOTED IN FINDING M EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN UPDATED SITE PLAN FEATURING A COMPREHENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLAN WITH INCREASED GREEN SPACE AND REDUCES THE IMPERVIOUS COVER TO, UM, TO STAFF PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING O AND NINE THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ZONING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. AND THE, UH, APPLICANT ADO NA TOKU IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. THERE ARE ALSO, UM, THERE'S ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKET AND SEVERAL VOICEMAILS. OH, GOOD AFTERNOON, YOUR EXCELLENCY. UM, THIS IS IDO TALKER AND UH, I'M THE OWNER AND FOUNDER OUT HIGHEND HOMES AND RESULTS U S A. CAN YOU PLEASE HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY GIVEN TODAY AND UM, I'M HERE TO, UM, GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AS TO WHERE WE STARTED AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AND ALSO TO SHOWCASE THAT, UH, STERIN IS THE NAME THAT WE'RE GIVEN THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE, UH, BASICALLY WE WANTED TO ALIGN WITH THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE IT IS, IT'S NOT A DISTRACTION, RATHER IT'S AN ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY. BEFORE WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, UH, I ACTUALLY STARTED OFF BY ASKING DIFFERENT AGENCIES BY, UM, OF WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, INCLUDING THE WHOLE HP UM, SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT AGENCIES FROM TRAFFIC TO UM, FIRE TO SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE. AND WE WERE GIVEN GUIDELINES AND ALSO HISTORICAL DATA ON THE LAND AND WHICH WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH. WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION. AND THE LAST MEETING, I'M SORRY I COULDN'T ATTEND. IT WAS SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO REQUESTED SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT AND WE HAD TO ADJUST OUR PLAN AND OUR DESIGN, UH, TO MAKE IT COMFORTABLE, UH, FOR THEM. UM, SO BASICALLY ROYAL STARING, UH, IT'S MY COMPANY AND THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNER IS MY HUSBAND. AND I HAVE, UH, MY GROUP AS AN ARCHITECT AND ALSO THE CIVIL ENGINEER AND HOW WE'LL GO 'CAUSE THE LAND THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD ON IS NOT JUST ON 5 0 6 STEERING. THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO LOTS, UH, WHICH IS 5 0 6 AND FIVE 10 STER. AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS RE PLOTTING THESE TWO LOTS TO COMBINE THEM TOGETHER. UH, RIGHT NOW MOST OF THE LOTS IN KING WILLIAMS ARE DESIGNATED RRN FOUR AND ALSO THERE'S SOME THAT ARE I D Z. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, RATHER THAN, AND BY DESIGNATION, WE CAN BUILD FOUR UNITS PER LOT, WHICH MEANS A TOTAL OF EIGHT, BUT WE'RE NOT STARTING OFF, WE NEVER STARTED OFF FROM THERE. ALL WE WANTED WAS TO BUILD HOMES THAT WILL BE GOOD AND PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, SHELTER FOR FIVE FAMILIES THAT THEY CAN CALL IN AND THEY CAN CALL IT HOME TO THEMSELVES. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS COMBINING THE TWO LOTS BUT BUILDING ONLY FIVE UNITS RATHER THAN EIGHT. WE STARTED OFF OUR DESIGN WITH THREE FLOORS, BUT WHERE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND WHICH WE'RE HAPPY WITH WORKING WITH KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION AND EVEN WITH THE NEIGHBOR IS TWO AND A HALF. AND WE ARE GOING BY THE STANDARD GIVEN BY THE CITY AND IN THE U D C RULE. SO TWO AND A HALF IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WE'RE COMING TO YOU FOR APPROVAL ON. AND ALSO WE'RE GOING FOR REZONING, WHICH HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE ZONING COMMITTEE FOR I D Z. AND THE REAL MAIN REASON FOR I D Z LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS TO GIVE FIVE FAMILIES OPPORTUNITY IF THEY WANT TO BUY, TO BE ABLE TO BUY THE INDIVIDUAL UNIT PER FAMILY RATHER THAN JUST ONE UNIT [01:20:01] BEING SOLD OFF TO PROBABLY AN INVESTOR OR SOMEONE ELSE. SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO ON WHICH MY COMPANY DO, ON WHICH MY COMPANY IS FOCUSED ON IS PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOME, AFFORDABLE LUXURY HOME TO PEOPLE SO THEY CAN BE PROUD OF WHERE THEY LIVE. SO IN TERMS OF THE LAND ITSELF, THIS PARTICULAR LAND 5 0 6 AND FIVE 10 ACCORDING TO HISTORY, WAS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL. AND WHAT WAS ALSO RECOMMENDED WAS A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD TRANSLATE FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. AND IN KEEPING WITH THAT, ON THIS PARTICULAR SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR FACING ST. MARY IS ACTUALLY A COMMERCIAL UNIT, WHICH IS TWO STORY BUILDING. AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TWO AND A HALF STORY, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINE, WE CANNOT GO BEYOND 50% MORE OF WHAT IS IN OUR ENVIRONMENT. AND 50% OF TWO STORY IS TWO AND A HALF. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT WAS GIVEN BY KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION FOR TWO AND A HALF, EVEN THOUGH ON HIGH D CALLS FOR AT LEAST FOUR, YOU CAN GO UP TO FOUR, BUT WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT. ALSO, UH, IN DESIGNING THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, WE WENT AROUND THE THE COMMUNITY AND WE SEE THAT YES, THERE ARE DIFFERENT FORMS AND DIFFERENT HOMES WITH DIFFERENT MASSES. ONE STORY FOLLOWED BY TWO STORY OR TWO AND A HALF IN FRONT OF ONE STORY. IT'S NOT AS IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR LANE OR BLOCK THAT ONLY HAS TWO STORIES OR ONLY HAS TWO AND A HALF. THERE'S A MIX. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN WE WENT AROUND THE COMMUNITY TRYING TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXISTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, LIKE I MENTIONED, 'CAUSE THAT WAS OUR PURPOSE, WE FOUND HOMES 14 HOMES ON CEDAR STREET, 1, 3 4, AND I BELIEVE IT'S 1 4 6 CEDAR STREET. THOSE ARE 14 TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE CONCEPT FROM. LIKE THIS ALREADY EXISTS IN THE COMMUNITY, SO WE'RE NOT GOING OUTSIDE OF A COMMUNITY OR BRINGING SOMETHING NEW INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THOSE ARE 14 HOMES, 14 HOMES THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY HAPPY WITH. THEY'VE BEEN LIVING IN IT, SAY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. I, I I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SO IN, IN RELATION TO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO PLEASE, UH, LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION BEING GIVEN BY STAFF BECAUSE I READ THAT THERE'S ONE, UM, IN SUPPORT AND ONE IN OPPOSITION. SO IN OPPOSITION, I KNOW THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS IN OPPOSITION BASED ON THE MASSIVE AND HEIGHT. AND IF I HAVE TO GO WITH A RECOMMENDATION ONE BY ONE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THE FIRST ONE, UH, SAYS THAT WE SHOULD REDUCE THE MASS AND THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE LOT, UM, THE BUILDING TO LOT COVERAGE IS HIGHER BY 74%. THAT IS ACTUALLY MISLEADING AND INCORRECT BECAUSE EACH LOT SIZE IS 4,617 SQUARE FEET. THE TOTAL LOT SIZE IS 9,234, AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS 3004 AND 60. THAT IS AROUND 36 TO 37%. SO WHAT I'M HERE FOR TODAY IS REALLY TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WHEN IT'S STATED THAT IT'S 74%, BUT REALLY IT'S 37, THAT COULD BE MISLEADING AND CONFUSING. UH, AND THAT DEFINITELY WOULD INFER WHY WE'LL BE ASKED TO REDUCE THE MASSIVE OR WE DON'T BECAUSE WE'RE BELOW 50% RECOMMENDED BY THE GUIDELINE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO I WOULD PLEASE LIKE THE COMMITTEE TO HELP US TO UNDERSTAND OR TO GIVE US WHAT WE NEED TO DO BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING THIS DESIGN AS FOLLOW SO MANY ITERATIONS, SO MANY ADJUSTMENTS, SO MUCH MOVEMENT. I AM AN OPEN PERSON, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO DO. I DON'T WANNA GO BACK AND FORTH WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS REQUIRED OF ME OR MY TEAM. THEN THE SECOND HAS TO DO WITH THE SETBACK. I UNDERSTAND, UH, UH, ACCORDING TO STAFF FIGHTING, FINDING THAT THE SETBACK MAY BE CONSISTENT. ACTUALLY THE SETBACK IS CONSISTENT BECAUSE IN THE U D C, THE U D C CALLS FOR 10 FEET SETBACK AND WE'RE PROPOSING 12. SO 12 ON A NOMINAL SCALE IS HIGHER THAN 10. SO IT'S NOT THAT IT MAY BE CONSISTENT, IT IS CONSISTENT AND IN KEEPING WITH THE BLOCK. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE ON OUR BLOCK, THERE'S NO SET CONSISTENCY ABOUT SETBACK, BUT I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW FOR THE COMMERCIAL. UH, ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINE, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE HARD PACKING IN FRONT OR THEY HAVE LOTS OF CAR PARKING IN THE FRONT. UM, I'M NOT CONDEMNING ANYBODY. ALL I'M JUST SAYING IS I WANT TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINE, I WANNA FOLLOW THE RULE AND MAKE THINGS RIGHT. WE'RE NOT COMING INTO A COMMUNITY TO COME COMMIT, YOU KNOW, TO CAUSE CONFLICT, BUT TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER AND TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY AN AMAZING PRODUCT THAT THEY CAN BE HAPPY WITH AND WILL BE A ONE HAPPY FAMILY. SO [01:25:01] THE SETBACK WE'RE PROPOSING IS 12, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN 10. SO THAT RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE IT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY COMPLIANT. THEY ALSO WENT FURTHER TO SAY THE HEIGHT. I THINK IT'LL BE BENEFICIAL TO ALL TO ACTUALLY SPEAK TO EACH TOPIC AS THEY ARE. I BELIEVE FOR A A LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE, SETBACK IS DIFFERENT FROM HEIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO PLEASE TREAT THE HEIGHT NEXT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THE SETBACK IS ALREADY COMPLIANT. BECAUSE ACCORDING TO UUD C, IT IT'S ALL THE REQUIREMENT IS 10, NOT 12, AND WE'RE GIVEN 12. THEN IN RELATION TO THE HEIGHT, ALSO THE U D C CALLS FOR 35 FEET. OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS 33.1 FEET, WHICH IS LOWER THAN 35. AND THAT'S AGAIN WHY I SAID IT IS A, YOU KNOW, CONFUSING AND I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I LOOK AT THINGS FROM A DATA PERSPECTIVE, A NOMINAL PERSPECTIVE. IF 35 IS HIGHER THAN 33 AND WE ARE ONLY DOING 33, HOW CAN WE NOT BE COMPLIANT BECAUSE WE ARE LOWER ALREADY. NOW IN TERMS OF ROOF PEACHES, BECAUSE O H P HAS GIVEN US, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ADDING SOME PICTURES TO OUR PRESENTATION. THAT WAS NOT FROM OUR, FROM OUR HAND, BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE LAST PAGES OF ALL THE HOMES THAT WERE ATTACHED TO THIS PRESENTATION BY O H P, WE WOULD SEE THAT, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS COMMUNITY HAS VARIOUS HOMES WITH VARIOUS MASS AND VARIOUS DESIGN. AND THE FIRST ONE, A GOOD EXAMPLE, IS A ONE STORY BUILDING WITH A BUILDING ITEM OF 24. NORMALLY, IF WE HAVE TO DO A NOMINAL CALCULATION, IF ONE STORY IS 24 AND YOU ARE GOING TO TWO STORY, THAT MEANS YOU ARE HIDING AT LEAST A NINE. THAT WOULD BE LIKE 33 UP TO LIKE 35. WE ARE PROPOSING 33. SO THERE MAY BE A ONE STORY THAT IS 24, BUT TWO AND A HALF STORY ON A NOMINAL SKILL SHOULD SHE WOULD BE MORE THAN 24. AND WE'RE SINGING EVEN THE TWO STORY BUILDING THAT IS ALREADY 32 AND WE ARE PROPOSING 33 FOR A TWO AND A HALF STORY. SO IN AS MUCH AS ALL THIS, UM, EXAMPLES ARE SHOWING THE DIVERSITY AND THE THE DIFFERENT TYPE AND STYLES OF WHAT IS PRESENT IN THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT OR DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD IMPOSE A DIFFERENT DESIGN OR A DIFFERENT GUIDELINE BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING IS ACTUALLY EXTRACTING FOR WHAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEN WE HAVE A TWO AND A HALF THE ROOF, REALLY WE ONLY HAVE AN ATTIC ON THE, ON THE HALF SPACE. SO IT'S ACTUALLY TWO FLOORS WITH AN ATTIC SPACE AND THE NORMAL ROOF. 'CAUSE EVERY HOME MUST HAVE A ROOF. SO IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND THE MASSING THAT THE CON CONSERVATION SOCIETY ARE OPPOSED ON, I WOULD PLEASE LIKE TO SEE CLARITY BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE'RE CONSISTENT AND WE'RE COMPLIANT ALREADY. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BALL STOPS IN YOUR COURT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE SOME CLARITY ON THIS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THIS IS RIGHT. UM, MOVING ON FROM THERE, UH, THE NEXT POINTS THAT WAS STATED AS TO DO WITH THE ROOF PLANE AGAIN, WE HAVE YES, UH, UH, OR THE NEIGHBOR OPPOSITES, THEY'RE ALL ONE STORY BUILDING BUILT SO MANY YEARS AGO. WE HAVE NEXT TO A TWO STORY. WE HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBOR NEXT TO US A DIFFERENT IF WE ARE, IF THEY ARE ASKING US TO MAKE IT IN KEEPING WE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AROUND US, WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE SAYING IT IN KEEPING WITH TWO STORY OR IN KEEPING FROM A TWO AND A HALF TO A ONE STORY? I BELIEVE SOMEONE CHOSEN TO BUILD A ONE STORIES BY CHOICE, NOT NECESSARILY BY STANDARD. THE STANDARD IS WE COULD BUILD UP TO FOUR, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WE'RE ONLY BUILDING TWO AND A HALF, WHICH IS EXISTED IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY ALREADY. AND THOSE 14 HOMES THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THOSE ARE THREE FLOORS. AND THIS, THIS WERE APPROVED BY H D H D R C AND EVERYBODY IS LIVING HAPPILY EVER AFTER. SO I WANT TO KNOW PLEASE, FROM THIS COMMITTEE, WHY WOULD THIS BE DIFFERENT? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS COMMITTEE IS ABOUT EQUALITY AND CONSISTENCY. SO THIS IS WHY I'M HERE BECAUSE FROM A LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ASSOCIATION AND AND ENABLE US TO GET THIS RIGHT. SO AT AT THIS POINT WE NEED CLARIFICATION BEFORE ANY FORM OF ADJUSTMENT IF NEED BE. AND IN TERMS OF THE MATERIALS, WHICH IS E UH, THE WINDOWS, THE DOOR AND THE SPECIFICATION, WE AGREED TO AGREE TOTALLY THE SPECIFICATION WE FROM CONSTRUCTION, WE WILL ABIDE AS USUAL WITH WHATEVER SPECIFICATION IS GIVEN TO US. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS COMMITTEE REQUIRES SOME, SOME OF SIGNATURE OR AFFIRMATION AHEAD OF TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO GO AND BRING SAMPLES. THOSE ARE [01:30:01] THE QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORWARD TO THE COMMITTEE TO LET US KNOW IF YOU WANT US TO BRING SAMPLES FOR EACH OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE OR YOU WANT US TO SIGN AND UNDERTAKING ON BEHALF OF MY COMPANY, I WOULD SIGN THAT THAT THE SPECIFICATION GIVEN TO US IS WHAT WE ABIDE, ABIDE BY. AND, AND, AND THAT IS, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, THAT THAT IS WHAT I CAN SAY WITH THAT. BUT I PLEASE NEED, UH, THE COMMITTEE TO LET, LET US KNOW WHAT TO DO. THEN IN TERMS OF A DETACHED GARAGES, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT HERE IN TERMS OF PRECEDENCES IS A FRONT LOADING GARAGE. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING FRONT LOADING GARAGE. THE GARAGES ARE ACTUALLY TO THE SITE. AND SPECIFICALLY IN RELATION TO OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, THEY ACTUALLY REQUIRED, UH, THEY ASKED US IF WE COULD MOVE ALL THE BALCONY FACING THEM TO, UH, TO TO THE OTHER SIDE FACING ST. MARY'S. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. WE'VE READJUSTED THE DESIGN. NOW THE GARAGES BY U D C LAW, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE, I BELIEVE FOUR PACKING, FOUR, FOUR PACKING SPACES. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS ASSIGN AND DESIGNATE ONE PACKING GARAGE FOR EACH UNIT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE ALSO DESIGNATED FOUR EXTRA PARKING SPACES. PRETTY MUCH YOUR EXCELLENCES, WE'RE REALLY USING A WHOLE LOT FOR PARKING. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE PACKING ON THE ROAD. NO ONE LIVING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE, WILL, WILL HAVE TO PACK ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING SPACES FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR VISITORS. BUT IN, ALSO IN, IN RELATION TO THIS, THE 14 HOMES THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY HAVE THE SAME DESIGN, THIS SAME DESIGN WITH THIS SAME GARAGES, AND THEY WERE APPROVED BY THIS COMMITTEE AND THEY'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE. SO FOR ME, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE GARAGES AND PROVIDE A DIFFERENT KIND OF GARAGE WHEN WE ARE LITERALLY JUST DOING WHAT IS EXISTING IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I UNDERSTAND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRECEDENTS, YES, PRECEDENCE IS GOOD, WHICH IS FANTASTIC AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABIDING BY. BUT THOSE 14 HOMES ARE ALSO PRECEDENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THEY ARE NOT HELPED WITH, THEY'RE IN THAT COMMUNITY AND THEY'VE BEEN EXISTING IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MODELING IT ON WITH. SO, UM, WE WOULD PLEASE LIKE CLARITY ON WHAT TO DO, UH, ON THESE GARAGE SPACES. AND ALSO IN TERMS OF THE DRIVEWAY, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THOSE 14 HOMES. THE SAME DESIGN EVEN FOR THE THOSE THAT ARE ONE STORY OR TWO STORY OR SINGLE HOMES FOR THOSE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE DESIGNATED PARKING. AND I MENTIONED FOR THOSE THAT HAVE, BECAUSE I'VE GONE AROUND THE COMMUNITY, NOT EVERY HOME IN THAT COMMUNITY HAVE A DRIVEWAY OR DESIGNATED PARKING, BUT I WOULD LEAVE THAT AS THAT LADY. FOR THOSE THAT HAVE, THEY'VE ALSO DESIGNED SOMETHING SIMILAR WHERE YOU DRIVING THROUGH THE CONCRETE, SOME WILL HAD SOME GRASS, SOME WILL HAD SOME OTHER THINGS IN THERE. YES, WE ARE PROPOSING ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINE AS A SINGLE DRIVEWAY MUST BE 10 FEET IN WIDTH. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABIDING BY. I BELIEVE US, IS EVEN MORE THAN THAT. WE ARE NOT GOING ANY LOWER. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED CAN NEVER BE MISTAKEN FOR A STREET. A STREET IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. A DRIVEWAY IS VERY VISIBLE AND VERY DISTINCT. THAT BEING SAID, IF THE COMMITTEE OR O H P FEELS THAT BECAUSE IT IS AN IMPIOUS COVER, WE'RE WILLING TO USE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT WILL REDUCE THAT IMPERVIOUS COVER. WE WOULD USE PREVIOUS COVER PAVERS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, AND WE WILL SHOW IT FOR APPROVAL. THAT'S SOMETHING I'M WILLING TO GUARANTEE. BUT TO SAY THAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE A STREET, THAT'S ALSO MISLEADING IN MY OWN OPINION. AND I WOULD LIKE CLARITY ON THAT. UM, ALSO THE, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST MOVING ON TO THE OTHER THAT WE SHOULD, UH, SUBMIT US AN UPDATED SITE PLAN FEATURING A COMPREHENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLAN. BASED ON THE GUIDELINE, WE WERE GIVEN TWO SCENARIOS TO SHOW LANDSCAPING AND WE CHOSE ONE OF IT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE, UH, IF WE GO UP TO SHOW THE ELEVATION THE PICTURE, WHICH IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE THAT WAS GIVEN IN THE GUIDELINE AND THAT'S WHAT WE PRESENTED AND IT SHOWS ALL THE GREEN SPACES. AND, BUT IF WE'RE ASKING FOR A DETAILED LANDSCAPING, I WOULD LIKE CLARITY ON WHAT IS EXPECTED SO THAT I CAN GIVE THAT TO YOU. ARE YOU ASKING US TO GIVE YOU THE SPECIFIC TYPE OF PLANS THAT WILL GO IN THE QUANTITY? WHAT EXACTLY DOES DETAILED COMPREHENSIVE LANDSCAPING ME THAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND? SO I'M, I'M SEEKING CLARITY ON THAT. UM, AND I BELIEVE TO THE LAST SECTION THAT ALSO GOES BACK TO THE SETBACK. WE DO NOT NEED [01:35:01] TO ASK FOR VARIANCE BECAUSE THE SETBACK IS ALREADY IN COMPLIANT AND EVEN MORE THAT IS REQUIRED. THE SETBACK, MINIMUM SETBACK IS 10 FEET. WE ARE PROPOSING 12. AND IN RELATION TO OUR NEIGHBORS, WE ARE ALIGN WITH THEM. LIKE I SAID, THE SETBACK IN THE COMMERCIAL HAS A CAR PACK, WHICH IS NOT IN LINE WITH THE GUIDELINE. I WOULD NOT LIKE TO GO AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. SO I WILL NOT ABIDE BY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S AGAINST THE RULE. BUT IN TERMS OF A RULE, WE'RE ALREADY COMPLIANT. SO THESE ARE THE REASONS THAT I'M HERE TODAY TO SEEK CLARITY. AND I'M THANKFUL FOR KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION. THEY'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE. THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN WITH US TO DESIGN AND REDESIGN AND REDESIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COMPLIANT AND THEY'VE GIVEN US THEIR APPROVAL, THEY'VE ACCESS TO DO THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND WE'RE NOT TIRED TO MAKE CORRECTIONS WHEN NECESSARY. BUT WE HOPE THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS IN FULL VIEW AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE NOT AGAINST THE RULE, WE ARE FOR THE RULE FOR WHERE THERE'S EQUITY AND CONSISTENCY. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE CONSISTENT AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE HERE TODAY. SO I WOULD PLEASE LIKE CLARITY ON THAT, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. WE'LL SEEK YOUR APPROVAL FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND EVERYBODY CAN BE HAPPY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, WE'LL HAVE, UH, VOICEMAILS. WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER THAT I'LL CALL FIRST, ACTUALLY YES, RONALDO GARCIA. HELLO, MY NAME IS RONALDO GARCIA AND, UM, I'M RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROJECT. UH, I OWN, UH, 5 3 26 CEDAR, 5 0 5 CEDAR AND FIVE 11 CEDAR AND, UH, 3 24 CEDAR STREET. SO I'M JUST, UH, ACROSS THE STREET, UH, BOUGHT THOSE PROPERTIES BACK. WE'VE BEEN, UH, IN THAT HOUSE SINCE, UH, 1924. I MEAN 1924, UH, 1984. AND BEFORE THAT WE LIVED IN, UH, THREE 20, A BIT LOUDER INTO THE MICROPHONE. OH, OKAY. IT'S THAT. UH, OKAY. WELL, UM, I LIVE IN 3 24 CEDAR STREET. MY NAME IS RELO GARCIA AND I OWN, UH, FOUR PROPERTIES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, UH, THIS, UH, UH, PROJECT. UH, I'M A LIFETIME. UH, I'M A LIFELONG, UH, RESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, BEEN IN THE SAME STREET FOR, OH, SINCE 1971, I BELIEVE . BEFORE THAT I LIVED IN, UH, MISSION STREET AND ADAM STREET. UH, INITIALLY WHEN I FIRST SAW THE FIRST, UH, UH, PLANTS, IT, UH, TO ME IT WAS TOO MASSIVE, TOO BIG IN RELATIONSHIP TO ALL THE REST OF THE, UH, PROPERTIES AROUND THE AREA. UH, UH, TODAY, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I SEE THE, UM, THE NEW, UH, DESIGN AND, UM, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A BETTER DESIGN THAN THE LAST ONE. 'CAUSE THE LAST ONE WAS, UH, A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, UH, OUT OF PROPORTION WITH, UH, WHATEVER IS RIGHT NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, THAT HOUSE, THOSE BUILDINGS. BUT, UH, I'M GONNA SAY THAT, UH, LOOKING AT THIS UNITS, INITIALLY I WAS AGAINST AGAINST IT. UH, BUT NOW SINCE THEY WERE, THEY WERE SCALED DOWN, UH, TO, UH, 33 FEET, I BELIEVE. UH, THE, MY ONLY, UH, CONCERN IS, UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A LOT OF, UH, GREEN SPACE. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE CONCERN, YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I SEE NOW, UH, THE WHOLE AREA IS EITHER CONCRETE OR BUILDINGS. AND, UH, IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, I'M GONNA SAY, UH, I'M GONNA SAY I'M OPPOSED TO FIVE BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA. I THINK FOUR WOULD FIT BETTER FOR TRAFFIC WISE, UM, AND FOR, UM, UH, THE GREEN AREA. BUT OVERALL, UH, FOR, FROM SEEING, UH, UH, WHAT IT IS NOW TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE, I THINK I'M, UH, I AGREE WITH IT EXCEPT FOR, UH, THE GREEN SPACE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, UH, LISTENING TO ME. THANK YOU, SIR. THE VOICEMAILS, [01:40:03] YES. I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO 5 0 6 TYING STREET. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 3 22. UH, MY NAME IS JAMES DOER. I LIVE AT 4 0 7 CEDAR STREET. UH, VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THIS, UH, DESIGN. UH, IT DOES NOT REPRESENT, UH, OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD OR, OR MAINLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT'S A TRAVESTY. UM, THE HEIGHT IS VERY, IT'S TERRIBLE. UH, IT'S GONNA BE BLOCKING THE VIEW FOR THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT OF THE HEMISPHERE. UH, THE PARKING. THERE'S NO PARKING. THE PARKING IS GONNA BE TERRIBLE. WE'RE GETTING ALL THE OVERFLOW ALREADY FROM ST. MARY'S. IT'S REALLY GONNA, UH, PROVIDE A SAFETY HAZARD FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WALKING OUR DOGS AND WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE'VE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS ONCE BEFORE AND THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, UH, STATED THAT THIS IS NOT A TRANSITION LOT. SO THIS SHOULD NOT BE A LOT THAT USED FOR A MULTI-FAMILY, UH, DWELLINGS LIKE THIS. UH, LAST THING IS KING WILLIAM IS A, A NATIONAL TREASURE TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. IT DRAWS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HERE AND IT WILL BE A DISSERVICE TO START DEGRADING THE QUALITY OF HISTORIC HOMES IN KING WILLIAM. I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR CONSIDERATION OR A VOTE AGAINST THIS, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. HI THERE, MY NAME IS LAUREN CHITTENDEN AND I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE NUMBER 20 23 3 22 AT 5 0 6. MY FAMILY AND I LIVE AT THREE 16 CEDAR STREET. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON MY SAYING THAT I AGREE WITH THE STAFF FEEDBACK FOR NOT RECOMMENDING THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL PLAN. I AGREE WITH ALL POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED AS RECOMMENDED. UH, ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS IS THE MASS SCALE OF THIS PROPOSED STRUCTURE. I DO NOT THINK THAT FIVE UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY IN THAT FORMATION IS APPROPRIATE. THAT STRETCH OF THE STREET IS OFTEN CONGESTED WITH PARKING AND TRAFFIC AS IS, WHICH CAUSES DIFFICULTY ENTERING AN EXHUMING NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS CARS PASSING ONE ANOTHER WHEN BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ARE FULL. I THINK THAT THIS WOULD JUST BE EXASPERATED WITH MORE, UH, TENANTS AND CARS ON THAT STRETCH. MY OTHER CONCERN WOULD BE THE LOGISTICS AND AESTHETICS OF THE STRUCTURE. I AGREE WITH THE PUSHBACK ON THE SCALE SETBACK IN HEIGHT. IN ADDITION TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MATERIALS, I DISAGREE WITH A SHINGLE ROOF AND BELIEVE THAT THE ROOF SHOULD BE METAL TO FIT IN WITH ADJACENT HOMES. I STRONGLY AGREE ON THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A LANDSCAPING PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED. UH, THIS LOT DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF TREES. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A BUFFER BETWEEN THIS HUGE STRUCTURE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR TO HELP EASE THE TRANSITION BETWEEN PROPERTIES AND TO HELP THE STRUCTURE BETTER BLEND IN. I DO SEE SOME RENDERINGS FOR ONE OR TWO TREES IN THE FRONT FACING VIEW, BUT I THINK THAT THOSE TREES SHOULD EXTEND ALL THE WAY ALONG THE FENCE LINE. UH, IN TERMS OF BUILDING AESTHETICS, I STRONGLY OPPOSE OF WHAT OPPOSED WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED. THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL STATED A DESIRE TO TAKE INSPIRATION FROM VICTORIAN HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DO NOT SEE ANY OF THAT IN THESE RENDERINGS. I THINK THAT HAVING MULTIPLE COLORS ALONG THE SIDE FACING, UH, DOES NOT LOOK GOOD AT ALL. I ALSO THINK THAT THE DOORS SHOULD BE MORE TRADITIONAL. UH, THE SLEEK MODERN DOORS WITH CEDAR POSTS ON THE PORCHES IS REALLY POPULAR IN QUICK FLIPS. I THINK THAT IT'S OVERDONE AND IT DOES NOT COMPLIMENT THE HISTORIC HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THAT STYLE WOULD BE BETTER SUITED, UH, IN ANOTHER AREA. I WANNA THANK THE STAFF FOR YOUR CAREFUL CONSIDERATION AND STRONG STANCES BASED ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. I URGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO HOLD YOUR GROUND FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US AS A COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HI, THIS IS MARK HOGENSON. I LIVE AT FOUR OH TWO CEDAR, AND MY TELEPHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE ZERO EIGHT FIVE SEVEN NINE THREE NINE NINE THREE. I'M CALLING WITH REGARDS TO, UH, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 3 22. THE PROPERTY QUESTION, PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS 5 0 6. I CONCUR WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. I ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO ADD. NUMBER ONE, THE PROPERTY AS IT STANDS, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO LOTS. AND IN THE PROPOSAL TODAY, IT APPEARS THAT THEY ARE APPLYING FOR JUST ONE LOT, 5 0 6. UM, I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN REPLANTED SEVERAL TIMES AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AS IF THE REPL HAS TAKEN, UH, HAS BEEN DONE OR HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR. UM, THE, UH, UH, IMAGE THAT'S SUPPLIED BY THE APPLICANT ON JULY 13TH SHOWS THIS TO BE THE CASE. JUST ONE LOT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND ANOTHER LOT NEXT TO IT STILL EMPTY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS DETAILED ON SITE PLAN BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT THE PROPOSED PARKING SPACES ALONG THE FENCE LINE JUST WON'T FIT IN THAT SPACE. UH, AND FINALLY, AS AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, I ALSO [01:45:01] HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE GARBAGE DUMPSTER. OBVIOUSLY NO ONE WANTS A DUMPSTER THAT IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE GARBAGE OF 10 OR MORE PEOPLE FOR A WEEK ON JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR BACKYARD FENCE. UM, NOT ONLY WOULD I BE AFFECTED, BUT ALSO THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY BEHIND. UH, SO PERHAPS SOMETHING CAN BE DESIGNED IN TO ACCOMMODATE OR TAKE CARE OF THAT. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. GOODBYE. HELLO, THIS IS PAMELA DOER. MY ADDRESS IS 4 0 7 FEEDER STREET CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 3 2 2. I'M CALLING IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE BUILDING OF THIS, UH, FIVE UNIT COMPLEX ON STEERING STREET, BASICALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE. UH, THE RENDERINGS DO NOT LOOK HISTORIC IN THE LEAST. UM, THE, UH, THE DENSITY FOR THAT SMALL OF A LOT IS, IS, UH, ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING ALONG STEERING STREET AT THAT AREA ANYWAY, BECAUSE OF THE CLUBS ON, UM, ON UH, ST. MARY'S STREET. SO, UH, THE ROOFING DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. THE COLORS ARE NOT GOOD. IT DOES NOT LOOK HISTORIC IN THE LEAST, AS I SAID BEFORE, AND WE ARE IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO IT. THANK YOU. THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 23 5 0 6 DEARIN STREET. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO AGREES WITH O H P STAFF THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT SUBMITTED WITH THIS APPLICATION DOES NOT CONFORM TO A HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO HEIGHT AND MASSING AND SHOULD NOT RECEIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THANK YOU. THIS IS LISA LUND CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 5 0 6 STEERING STREET CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 3 22. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS DISCUSSED THE PROJECT WITH THE OWNER ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS WHO ADVISE THEM ON A DESIGN WHICH IN OUR OPINION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA OF KING WILLIAMS. THEY HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND RESPONDED TO MOST OF OUR CONCERNS. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS APPLICATION IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND WE ANTICIPATE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM TO REFINE THE DESIGN. WE REVIEWED THE O H P STAFF SIGHTING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS AND OFFER THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. HISTORY, THE SITE AT 5 0 6 STEER STREET IS IN THE ORIGINAL 36 SQUARE MILES OF SAN ANTONIO AND WAS ZONED D APARTMENT DISTRICT AND FEATURED A COMPLEX OF COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES CIRCA 1910. IT IS ADJACENT TO A COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING AT 1209 SOUTH ST. MARY STREET TO THE EAST AND THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE FACING CEDAR ON THE WEST. THE GUIDELINE SUGGESTS THAT FORMER COMMERCIAL SITES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR INFILL WITH MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURES. THIS SITE PROVIDES A TRANSITION FROM THE COMMERCIAL STRIP ALONG ST. MARY'S TO THE RESIDENCES ON CEDAR STREET SETBACK AND SEPARATION. THE SITE PLAN ON PAGE 27 OF THE APPLICATION PREPARED BY O H P STAFF ILLUSTRATES THAT THE FRONT FACADE OF THE PROJECT HAS SET BACK SEVERAL FEET BEHIND THE RESIDENCE ON THE CORNER OF CEDAR AND . APPROXIMATELY 60 FEET SEPARATE THE BACKSIDE OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING, THE PROPOSED SEPARATION TO HEIGHT RATIO IS APPROPRIATE. THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO RESIDENCES WITH FRONTS FACING STEERING ON THIS BLOCK FACE ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET. THIS VOICEMAIL DOES EXCEED THE TWO MINUTES. UM, HOWEVER, THE FULL LETTER IS IN YOUR FOLDERS AND WE DO HAVE ONE MORE VOICEMAIL. HELLO, THIS IS JOAN FREES AT 3 1 2 CEDAR STREET CALLING IN REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 3 2 2. THE ITEM ADDRESS IS 5 0 6 STEERING STREET. UM, SINCE PARKING LOTS WILL NOT BE PART OF THE FIVE PROPOSED UNITS ON STEERING STREET, THIS JUST SEEMS THAT IT WILL CAUSE EVEN MORE OF A, UM, SAFETY CONCERN DUE TO THE OVERFLOW STREET PARKING THAT ALREADY EXISTS FROM THE ST. MARY'S ESTABLISHMENTS RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, THANK YOU. AND THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. UM, WOULD THE ALE APPLICANT LIKE TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? UM, YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL [01:50:01] THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, BECAUSE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT ARE REFERRING TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I SAID IS A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, IN TERMS OF MASSING, WE ARE BELOW 50% OF THE LOT COVERAGE. THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS 74%, UH, WHICH IS TOTALLY INCORRECT. SO I UNDERSTAND IF SOMEONE IS READING THAT, THEY WOULD DEFINITELY SAY WE OPPOSE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE FOR CLARIFICATION. AND ALSO IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, AGAIN, WE ARE BELOW THE 35 FEET REQUIRED IN TERMS OF PACKING. WHAT I WILL, PLEASE SUGGEST TO ALL THOSE THAT, UM, OPPOSED IS TO LOOK AT OUR RENDERING AND OUR SITE PLAN. WE ARE PROPOSING ONE CAR GARAGE PER UNIT, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT FOUR PACK EXTRA PARKING SPACES TO MAKE NINE, THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING IS FOUR, MEANING WE'RE DOUBLING AND MODERN DOUBLING WHAT IS REQUIRED. SO WHEN THEY REFER TO EXISTING PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS SOLVING THE PROBLEM, NOT MAKING IT WORSE BECAUSE WE ARE PROVIDING MORE THAN WHAT IS NECESSARY, WHAT MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED, AND ALSO SOLVING A PROBLEM. SO I GUESS WHEN IT COMES TO AN EXISTING PROBLEM, EVERYBODY SHOULD PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PROBLEM IS COMING FROM AND TRY TO SOLVE IT RATHER THAN TAGGING THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND IN TERMS OF THE COLOR SCHEMES AND THE PATTERN, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS FINAL DESIGN IS, I DON'T, I CAN'T EVEN COUNT THE NUMBER OF ITERATION VOLUME OR VERSION THAT IT IS. WE'VE HAD, WE, WE, ABOVE ALL, IT'S A STER, IT'S A MODERN VICTORIAN FIELD, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE STARTED WITH BARE WINDOWS WITH AL ORAL. WE WERE ASKED TO REMOVE IT BY O H P OR REDUCE IT. WE REMOVED IT. WE START WITH, SO WE, WE ADOPTED A DIFFERENT STYLE OF VICTORIAN. SO WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE IT FITS IN. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT. AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF, HIS STORY COMES FROM VICTORIAN TO, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, TO HEAD WARDEN TO GEORGIAN. WE ARE GOING WITH A VICTORIAN STYLE AND THESE ARE STYLES THAT ALREADY EXIST WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IN TERMS OF SEGREGATING AND MAKING SURE THAT EACH UNIT STAND OUT, WE'VE USED A COMBINATION OF COLORS THAT ARE COMPLIMENTARY TO EACH OTHER AND ALSO FORMS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. AND THIS PARTICULAR COLOR IS ALSO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WHEN THEY MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT IN KEEPING, I I I'M, I'M REALLY CONFUSED BECAUSE THESE ARE COLORS YOU HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY FOR HISTORIC HOMES. SO IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING, I UNDERSTAND MR. GARCIA, LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT THERE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH GREEN SPACES. WE ACTUALLY HAVE GREEN SPACES AT THE BACK AS WELL. WE HAVE IN THE FRONT, WE HAVE IN THE BACK AND WE DON'T HAVE HAVE ANY ISSUE ADDING EVEN ALONG THE FIRST LINE IF NEEDED. AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR WHAT DOES A COMPREHENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLAN MEAN? BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO. THERE ARE ENOUGH GREEN SPACES IN HERE. I KNOW THERE ARE DIFFERENT HOMES WITH DIFFERENT GREEN SPACES. THERE ARE HOMES THAT ARE SMALL, THEY'RE NOT LONG, AND THEY'VE UTILIZED THEIR WIDTH AND THEY ONLY HAVE TINY SPACES IN FRONT OF THEM. THEY'RE HOMES THAT HAVE HUGE GREEN SPACES BASED ON THE, THE SIZE OF THEIR LOTS. THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT A ONE SIZE FIT ALL COMMUNITY. THEY'RE DIFFERENT SIZES AND DIVERSITY AND DIMENSION. AND I WILL PLEASE LIKE EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT, THIS IS NOT A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER. THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH RM FOUR, MEANING YOU CAN BUILD UP TO FOUR UNIT ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT UNDER ONE ROOF. NOW WE ARE PROPOSING FIVE UNITS INSTEAD OF EIGHT. THAT BY LAW AND BY RIGHT, WE ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD AND WE'RE NOT EVEN USING 50% OF THE LOT TOTAL LOT COVERAGE. THIS IS MR. CHAIR. YES, MR. CHAIR. I, I WAS NOTICING IN THE RECORD THAT Y'ALL HAD A D R C AND I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE YOU YOU'ALL COULD PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ON WHAT Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH IN CONSULTATION. YES. UM, MS. NATOA, DID YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WRAP THIS UP AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO COMMISSION DISCUSSION? UH, UM, YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. WE'RE HERE TO MAKE THINGS WORK NOT IN CONFLICT. SO WE'RE SEEKING YOUR, UM, YOUR APPROVAL AND YOUR GUIDANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, THERE WAS A, UH, D R C WITH THIS PROJECT AND WE DISCUSSED, UM, MASSING IN SCALE. UH, I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED, UH, TWO AND A HALF STORIES AS OPPOSED TO [01:55:01] A FULL THREE STORIES, WHICH, UH, THEY SEEMED TO HAVE ACCOMMODATED. UH, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF, UH, GREEN SPACE THAT WAS BEING PROVIDED FOR THIS MANY, UM, RESIDENTIAL UNITS. UM, AND ALSO THE AMOUNT OF, UH, PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS DRIVEWAY AND PARKING. AND, UM, I BELIEVE MS UH, NICK TOKA HAS SAID THAT SHE WOULD CONSIDER USING A PERVIOUS DRIVE SURFACE TO ALLOW YES, MORE PERVIOUS SURFACE. UM, I BELIEVE THEY'VE WORKED ON, UH, WINDOW PROPORTIONS AND, UH, MATERIALS, UH, BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH THE D R C. AND I DO WANT TO THANK THE, THE APPLICANTS FOR WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE, UH, THE O H P AND D, UH, D R C. SO AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF VERY QUICKLY. SO YES, COMMISSIONER SANTES, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE ADDRESSED STAFF, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOOD TO GO OR DO YOU STILL STAND BY THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU'RE, UH, LISTING HERE? THERE ARE STILL SOME STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED WITH UPDATED DRAWINGS. UM, SO WITH THE BUILDING MASSING LOT COVERAGE, ET CETERA, UM, STAFF WOULD STILL, UM, INSIST ON THOSE STIPULATIONS BE MET. IN ADDITION, THE STIPULATIONS FOR MATERIALS, LANDSCAPING PLANS, ET CETERA, GENERALLY WILL STAY WITH A REVIEW THROUGH THE FINAL REVIEW PROCESS. SO THEN THE MASSING WAS NOT ADDRESSED AND THE, AND THE HEIGHT WAS, WAS NOT ADDRESSED THEN? CORRECT. SO, UH, PER STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMME RECOMMENDATIONS, STAFF STILL FINDS THAT WITH THE SIGHTING OF THIS STRUCTURE, UM, WITH THIS HEIGHT AND MASSING SO CLOSE, UM, TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT IT'S NOT CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE CONTEXT OF THE DISTRICT AS FAR AS SETBACK AND, AND HEIGHT IS CONCERNED. GENERALLY, YOU'LL FIND THAT LARGER BUILDINGS ARE SET FURTHER BACK ON A LOT. HISTORICALLY. IT'S OUR FIRST STIPULATION IF YOU WANNA PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. RACHEL, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER GROUP? UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO ONE WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE CONFIRMING THAT IT'S IN PREVIOUS COVER, RIGHT? FOR THE PARKING, THE DRIVING AREA, LIKE THE PARKING AREA AND THAT WAY. AND MAYBE THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED INITIALLY IN, WELL, I THINK TO CLARIFY, YOU'LL RECALL THAT WE UPDATED THE GUIDELINES FOR, UM, LIKE MULTI-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION AT LAST YEAR. AND SO THERE'S EXPANDED, UM, CONSIDERATION FOR LIKE IMPERVIOUS AREA COVERAGE WHERE NORMALLY THE GUIDELINES WOULD SAY 50% BUILDING COVERAGE, NO MORE THAN, UM, NOW IT'S SAYING, WELL IF YOUR TOTAL IMPERVIOUS AREA IS MORE THAN 50%, THEN YOU NEED TO FIND WAYS TO REDUCE LIKE THE PARK, THE, LIKE THE, OR SORRY, TO INCREASE IMPERVIOUS NATURE OF THE PARKING AREAS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO 50% IS STILL RECOMMENDED. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. AND THEN WHAT IS THAT, UM, TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT IN THAT PARKING AREA? IS IT A DUMPSTER? WHAT IS THAT? OH, SORRY. UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT QUESTION IS FOR ME. I, I, SORRY. YES, IT IS FOR YOU. SORRY. OH, SORRY. SO IN THE BOTTOM, UM, WE HAVE THE EXTRA PARKING SPACES FOR EXTRA PARKING SPACES ALONG THE FENCE AND ALSO TO THE REAR. YEAH. AND WHAT IS THAT LIKE GRADE AREA OR LIKE, UM, STRIPED AREA THAT YOU HAVE IN THE BOTTOM CORNER? BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER. OH, IN, OH, IN THE CORNER. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE, WE HAVE THE GREEN SPACES AROUND THERE ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. WE HAVE THE GREEN SPACES IN THE FRONT AS WELL. AND LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, THE AREA FOR THE PARKING, WE, WE, WE'LL DEFINITELY CONSIDER PREVIOUS COVER FOR THOSE. OKAY. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT STRIPED AREA. IS THAT SOMETHING SPECIFIC, A DIFFERENT MATERIAL? UH, WELL TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF WE, I, I GUESS WE'LL CONSIDER WE'RE PART OF THE IMP PREVIOUS COVER AND JUST CHANGE IT TO PREVIOUS 'CAUSE THAT, THAT IS JUST, UM, ALIGNED WITH THE GREEN SPACES. SO THE GREEN SPACES FOLLOWS THROUGH FROM THERE ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. OKAY. THAT WAS A QUESTION. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION WAS HOW ARE YOU IN THE PROCESS OF THE ZONING AND THE VARIANCE? I GUESS THE VARIANCE COMES AFTER ON THE ZONING PROCESS. UH, THE ZONING HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE ZONING COMMITTEE AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, WHICH IS THE FINAL STAGE. UH, THE VARIANCE, WE, WE DID NOT SUBMIT ANY VARIANCE BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED ANY VARIANCE. UH, THE SETBACK, UH, STIPULATED IS 10 FEET AND WE HAVE, WE'RE POSING 12, SO WE DON'T NEED A VARIANCE AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T SUBMITTED OR, OR THINKING ABOUT ANY VARIANCE. OKAY, THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINA. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, MR. TUKA, UH, THANK YOU [02:00:01] FOR THE CHANGES YOU MADE. I NOTICED THAT A NUMBER OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH THIS VERSION OF YOUR DESIGN. UM, AND I'LL DISCUSS SOME OF THE ASPECTS LATER IN THE DISCUSSION. BUT MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THAT YOU HAVE MADE AVAILABLE, WHERE DO THE AIR CONDITIONING COMPRESSOR UNITS GO? I BELIEVE THEY ARE ON THE LOW GROUND, UM, BEHIND, I WOULD NEED TO RECONFIRM THAT WITH THE HACK TAPE, BUT IT'S ON THE LOWER GROUND. THEY'RE NOT ON THE ROOF. THEY'RE NOT ON THE ROOF. OKAY. SO TYPICALLY THEY WILL GO IN A SIDE SETBACK AND, UM, FOR ADEQUATE ACCESS AS WELL AS VENTILATION. OH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. SORRY, QUESTIONS ONLY SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE CAN GET AS MANY AS THREE TRASH BINS, BUT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE TRASH BIN, ONE TO THREE TRASH BINS PER HOUSEHOLD. WHERE ARE THOSE TRASH BINS GOING TO BE STORED? UM, WELL, I DON'T HAVE, RIGHT, I I, I BELIEVE IT IS THERE ALREADY, BUT I WOULD NEED TO CONFIRM WHAT I WAS FOCUSED ON WITH THIS, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH MANY CONCERN ABOUT PACKING. IS THAT THE PACKING, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF SPACE IN THE SHADED AREA BEFORE YOU GET ONTO THE GREEN SPACES TO THE BACK FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE TRASH CANS TO, TO BE, TO BE SITUATED. OKAY. SO IF THAT IS TRASH CAN AREA, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE LANDSCAPED AREA? CORRECT? UM, THAT, THAT'S LIKE A SQUARE, IT'S NOT SQUARE LIKE A RECTANGLE NINE, THAT'S A RECTANGLE WONDER AFTER THE THIRD PARKING SPACE MOVING ONTO THE FOURTH UHHUH . BUT THE LAND PARK, THE, THE LANDSCAPING HERE WHERE FOLLOWS THROUGH AFTER THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. OKAY. I THINK IT WILL BE EASIER IF WE LOOK AT THE ELEVATION. I'M SORRY. UM, PLEASE NOT THIS ONE. UM, LIKE THE ILLUSTRATION, THE RENDERING. YES, PLEASE. SO WHERE WOULD YOU LOCATE THOSE TRASH CANS? UM, I'M NOT, JUST BEFORE THE TREE AT THE BACK YOU WOULD SEE THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH SPACES. 'CAUSE THE CAR PARKING SPACES THAT WE PROVIDED ARE EXTRA FOUR. OKAY. WHERE YOU CAN SEE THREE PARK, THREE CARS ALREADY PARKED ON THERE. AND WE STILL HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I'D LIKE TO DO A MOTION. YES, PLEASE. OKAY. I'LL DO A, SO THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, RIGHT? SO MOVE TO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH, UH, STIPULATIONS AND I'LL TALK ABOUT IT AFTER. IT'S I'LL DO STIPULATION ONE. I'M SORRY. STIPULATION 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, AND NINE SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. COULD YOU CLARIFY? YEAH, THE NUMBERS PLEASE. I'M GONNA CLARIFY. SO IT'S EVERY, EVERYTHING BUT ONE AND TWO. AND I'M ALSO GONNA, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SPEAK INTO THAT, UM, TO THE APPLICANT. THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, SO I DO UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF HAS SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS IN THERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T BE SUBMITTING DETAILED PLANS UNTIL FINAL. SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST THE ZONING AND THE VARIANCE IS JUST IF APPLICABLE. RIGHT? SO IT'S IF APPLICABLE, YOUR UPDATED SITE PLAN WITH THE LANDSCAPING. YES, WE DO WANT DETAILS OF WHAT KIND OF PLANT AND WHAT KIND OF TREES, BUT YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, RETURNING TO FOR FINAL ANYWAY. I'M KEEPING STIPULATION SEVEN AND I'M STARTING FROM THE BOTTOM UP 'CAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER JUST BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO JUST LOOK AT THAT. UM, DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION. I'M NOT REALLY, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ATTACH GARAGES. UM, AND I'LL REFER A LITTLE BIT TO THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME, SOME MODIFICATIONS THAT COULD BE DONE TO THAT DRIVEWAY. MAYBE ROUNDING SOME OF THE CORNERS, MAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM FOR SOME GREEN AREA. AND JUST ALSO MAKING SURE THAT I DON'T HAVE THE FULL MEASUREMENTS OF THAT DRIVEWAY OR THE AREAS. JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE MEASUREMENTS TO SEE THAT THE CARS ACTUALLY CAN DO A FULL TURN. UM, STIPULATION SIX IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD COME BACK FOR, FOR FINAL WITH LIKE FINAL MATERIALS AND THEN STIPULATION FIVE [02:05:01] I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, WORK ON THE, UM, WINDOW CONFIGURATION SIZES, MAKING SURE THEY MATCH. THERE ARE SOME FACADES AND I CAN, UM, REFER TO SOME OF THE SITE, UH, SOME OF THE, UM, FACADES TO SEE WHICH ONES SHOULD BE. THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WINDOWS, ESPECIALLY IN THE FRONT ONE. UH, STIPULATION FOUR, I'M, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE FRONT SETBACK. I THINK FRONT SETBACK ROOF LINE, UM, SHOULD BE WORKED ON TO. I DO BELIEVE THAT STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THAT ONE. UM, I ADDED, I KEPT STIPULATION THREE BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT YOU MIGHT WANNA WORK ON, UH, OR YOU HAD BEEN BACK AND FORTH TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN OPTION TO MAKE THE LAST UNIT A TWO STORY. I THINK IT WOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT WITH THE MASSING ALSO BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER, UH, NEIGHBORS. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FIND, UM, FIND OUT IF THERE'S AN OPTION FOR YOU TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF ONE OF THE END UNITS, EITHER ON STEERING OR ON THE OTHER ONE. I WOULD SAY THE ONE IN STEERING. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS? MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, SO, UM, STAFF, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 23 PLEASE? SO MA'AM, UM, QUESTION WAS ASKED EARLIER, UM, BY COMMISSIONER SABINO, BUT THE, UM, THE TRASH CANS, UM, AND YOU MENTIONED IT'S AREA IN THE FRONT CORNER WHERE THOSE TREES ARE, WHERE THE, A FENCE KIND OF GOES TO A TRIANGLE IS, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY? THAT'S WHERE YOU EXPECT ALL OF THEM TO GO AND YOU EXPECT ALL OF THEM TO FIT RIGHT THERE? UH, I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS RIGHT NOW WITH ME, AND I DON'T THINK MY ARCHITECT IS HUN UH, FOR THE PLAN, BUT I WOULD SAY OVER THERE, WHICH WITH WOULD DEFINITELY BE AN AREA BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT AREA AND WHAT WE'VE DONE, ALL THOSE AREA WERE ADDITIONAL PACKING, NOT REQUIRED, BUT WE PROVIDED IT. SO THOSE AREA, THEY'RE OPEN AREA, WE, WE JUST DESIGNATED THEM AS EXTRA PACKING IN LINE WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBOR WOULD SAY IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE EXTRA PACKING. SO IT'S, IT'S A WHOLE ONE LOT THAT WE ARE PROVIDING FOR PACKING AN OPEN SPACE. SO DESIGNATING PART OF IT FOR TRASHCAN SEEMS APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU. AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, AND I, I BELIEVE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER BROUGHT THIS UP, UM, ALREADY ABOUT THE PARKING AND I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWING, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE VEHICLES WILL BE ABLE TO DO A FULL TURN TO GET IN THERE. UM, AND I, SINCE YOUR ARCHITECT IS NOT ON, AND I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY CAN'T TELL US AT THIS MOMENT, BUT JUST SINCE IT'S CONCEPTUAL, MAYBE CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T LOOK FROM THE DRAWINGS THAT THIS IS ENOUGH SPACE HERE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M DONE, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. AND OH, SORRY. AND CAN I MENTION THAT THIS IS FOR ILLUSTRATION PURPOSE? SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS TO SHOW YOU IN TERMS OF DIMENSION, THIS IS NOT A SCALE. SO, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THAT CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF TURNING IT IS THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TURN, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TURN IN AND TURN OUT, BUT BECAUSE IT IS NOT UP TO SCALE, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW WHAT WE ARE THINKING AND WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING. AND THAT'S WHY EVEN TO THE WINDOWS, BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE WE'RE USING WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THE HISTORIC, UH, SPECIFICATION. BUT THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO SIGN AN UNDERTAKING OR BRING SAMPLES OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE IN THERE. THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINA. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, MS. TUKA, YOUR, UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, THE DESIGN HAS IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY IN A WAY THAT'S REALLY, UM, IN THIS CASE THE UNDERSTATEMENT AND LESS IS BETTER. UM, YOU'VE SIMPLIFIED A LOT OF THE VOLUMES REMOVED SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY SERVING THE DESIGN, UM, IN A PROBABLY COST-EFFECTIVE WAY EITHER. UM, BUT THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT I DO HAVE RELATED TO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS WHERE DO THE TRASH CANS GO? WHERE DO THE COMPRESSORS GO? UH, WHERE DO THE TREES GO? UM, WE CITE THE 1 35 OR, UH, THE CEDAR STREET PROJECT FREQUENTLY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES THAT REALLY NICE AND OVER TIME THAT CAUSES IT TO, TO FIT IN BETTER IS THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE REPUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING. AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN VERY DILIGENTLY AND LOOK TO REALISTIC TREE SOLUTIONS, TREES THAT REALLY CAN FILL THE SPACE AND CREATE SOME SHADING. AS WE KNOW FROM DAYS LIKE TODAY AND THE PAST THREE MONTHS, SHADING IS VITAL. UM, AND I'M AFRAID THAT THE PARKING AREA, YOUR PARKING AREA [02:10:01] JUST SEEMS REALLY, REALLY HUGE. AND FOR THAT REASON I'M THINKING SHADING. EVERYTHING SEEMS SO TIGHTLY FIT IN TO THIS RELATIVELY SMALL LOT THAT YOU'RE DOING QUITE A LOT. WITH THAT, IT MADE ME THINK OF NEIGHBOR MR. GARCIA'S COMMENT. AND AFTER THINKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT, THE MASSING, THE DRIVEWAY, THE PARKING, THE TREES, AIR CONDITIONING TRASH, I WOULD, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THERE MAY BE ONE TOO MANY UNITS HERE, THERE MIGHT BE ONE TOO MANY. IF YOU WERE TO RECONSIDER THE SIZE OR EVEN THE NUMBER OF THE UNITS, UM, YOU WOULD FIND THAT THE SPACE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES WOULD FINALLY EMERGE. YOU WOULD HAVE THE SPACE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO CHANGE ANY DESIGN'S MIND. UM, SO THAT'S, I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW I'M GOING TO, UM, VOTE ON THIS RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR OTHER COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS AS WELL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAZUA. SURE. JUST ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT TRASH, SORRY, BUT, UM, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WE PUT THE TRASH OUT IN THE ALLEY, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS NO ALLEY. SO THE SUGGESTION TO PUT IT IN THE AWAY FROM THE STREET IN THE BACK SEEMS TO BE GROSSLY, UM, INCONVENIENT FOR YOUR, FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE TO TRAVERSE THAT WHOLE AREA. TO PUT IT OUT IN FRONT, I WOULD URGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT ANOTHER PLACEMENT OF THOSE TRASH BINS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL OF 10 OF THEM. UM, WELL, I DOUBT IF THERE'D BE THAT MUCH GREEN STUFF TO BE, TO BE GOING BUT RECYCLING AND, AND TRASH FOR SURE. AND I WOULD PUT THEM ON THE OTHER SIDE SO IT WOULDN'T BE SO, SO DIFFICULT TO GET TO THE STREET. BUT THAT IS AN AWFUL LOT OF TRASH AND RECYCLING. SO, UM, I, I SEE THAT AS A POTENTIAL PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BY YOUR DESIGNER AND YOUR ARCHITECTS. UM, THAT'S ONE AMONGST MANY. I ALSO AGREE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF, THAT'S A LOT OF UNIT, THERE ARE A LOT OF UNITS IN THAT ONE BUILDING. UM, OTHER COMMENTS? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SINO. NAYYY. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MOOKA. NAYYY GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU MS NA TOKA. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, WHEN YOU GET YOUR DESIGN FURTHER DEVELOPED, HAVING TALKED TO YOUR, UH, ARCHITECT AND LOOKING AT, UH, THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, YOU REQUEST ANOTHER D R C AND COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE COMING FOR A, UH, FINAL REVIEW. OKAY? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 24. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 18 1 33 EAST WOODLAWN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION. TWO, MODIFY THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE REAR NORTH ELEVATION, AND THREE, MODIFY THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE EAST ELEVATION. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE TOTAL PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE SHOWING THAT THE LOT COVERAGE WILL NOT EXCEED 50% BASED ON FINDING B TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGES THE EXISTING WINDOWS PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITION AND REUSES THEM IN THE ADDITION OR STORES THEM ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE OR DONATES OR SELLS THEM TO AN ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE STORE BASED ON FINDING F THREE. THAT THE APPLICANT APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD WINDOWS TO STAFF THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON FINDINGS I, L AND M AND FOUR THAT [02:15:01] THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED SIDING SHOWING THAT THE PROPOSED MATERIAL MATCHES THE EXISTING CLADDING AND MATERIAL PROFILE AND REVEAL, AND THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A VERTICAL TRIM PIECE TO DIFFERENTIATE THE ADDITION FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON FINDING K AND ITEMS TWO AND THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON THE REAR AND EAST ELEVATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS L AND M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGES ANY WINDOWS AND DOORS REMOVED AND REUSES THEM ON THE STRUCTURE OR STORES THEM ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE BASED ON FINDING L TWO THAT ANY REPLACEMENT DOORS ARE FULLY WOOD AND PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR ANY REPLACEMENT DOORS ARE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDING L THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD, WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT MEET STAFF. STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR STAFF TO REVIEW AND APPROVE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDINGS I, L AND M AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINS ALL SETS OF GANGED WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION IN THEIR CURRENT CONFIGURATION AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR OR BASED ON FINDING M UH, THE APPLICANT IS WITH US IN PERSON AND FOLLOWING THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA, THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS. GOOD AFTERNOON. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS REGARDING THIS PROJECT? UM, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, THE MY CLIENT, UH, BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY FROM A DEFAULT BORROWER AND BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION IT WAS, IT HAS A STAYED VACANT. AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO, UM, IN HIS BUT WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINE AND, UM, ADD A STRUCTURE AT THE BACK OF IT, WHICH MAKES IT SOMEHOW SYMMETRICAL. UM, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS NOT SYMMETRICAL AND WE'RE GONNA BE KEEPING THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND THE NEW WINDOWS THAT WE WOULD BE ADDING WOULD BE MATCHING WITH WHAT, UH, FRAME AND, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. UM, AND, UM, I I GOT THE, THE COMMENT THAT, UM, WHERE WE WE'RE PLANNING ON USING A SIDING SIMILAR TO THIS ONE, BUT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, BUT WITH ANY RECOGNITION THAT YOU HAVE SO THAT WE CAN DIFFERENTIATE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WITH THE NEW ONE. UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THE WINDOWS THAT WE'LL BE COVERING FROM INSIDE, THERE WON'T BE ANY CHANGE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. AND WE'RE ARE, WE HAD, UM, A MEETING WITH THE STAFF ALSO TO SHOW THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WE'RE FOLLOWING AND ABIDING BY THE HISTORICAL GUIDE GUIDELINE. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION FIRST? NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, SINCE THE APPLICANT IS ACCEPTING ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS, I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? UM, MR. CHAIR? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD THAT I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT AND A WONDERFUL PLACE AND I'M, I'M GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE, UM, UM, UNDERSTANDING HOW, UM, HOW THESE PLACES CAN HAVE ADDED VALUE AND CONTINUE TO SERVE, UH, FAMILIES AND DECADES MORE DOING THE WORK, THE RIGHT THING, I'LL JUST SAY THE RIGHT THING. UM, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE WINDOWS, THAT WAS MY CONCERN. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 25. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 49 12 31 SOUTH ALAMO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 1076 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY ADDITION CITED TO THE EAST OF THE PRIMARY STRUCK OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH K. STAFF RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES CITING OPTIONS, CITING OPTIONS THAT DO NOT VISUALLY IMPACT THE FRONT FACADE BASED ON FINDING C. THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED SITE PLANS AND ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE TOTAL HEIGHTS OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE PROPOSED ADDITION AND SETBACK MEASUREMENTS TO STAFF PRIOR TO RETURNING [02:20:01] TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING C THREE THAT THE WINDOWS PROPOSED OR THE WINDOW PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITION IS SALVAGED AND REUSED IN THE PROPOSED EDITION BASED ON FINDING F FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE FENESTRATION PATTERN TO FEATURE WINDOWS OF TRADITIONAL OPERATIONS AND PROPORTIONS ON THE EAST AND NORTH ELEVATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDINGS G AND H FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES FULLY WOOD WINDOWS FEATURING TRADITIONAL OPERATIONS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS. SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED DOORS TO STAFF PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING I SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED SIGHTING TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING J AND EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFIES THE FRONT FACING GABLE ON THE ONE STORY PORTION OF THE SOUTH FRONT ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING K AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C. THE APPLICANT IS WITH US IN PERSON AND YOU DO HAVE ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS. THANK YOU. DO YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. IF I TALK A LITTLE OUT SOMETIMES IT'S 'CAUSE I'M A LITTLE HARD OF HEARING, SO I MIGHT TEND TO GET EXCITED THERE, . NO, THAT'S FINE. UM, SO I JUST WANNA EXCUSE MYSELF FOR THAT. UM, WHEN WE TOOK ON THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE ALL INTENTIONS TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS A HISTORICAL BUILDING AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DESIGNED, UM, A SEPARATE, UM, MASTER SUITE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE, IT'S JUST A STRUCTURE WITH ROOM ROOMS IN IT. SO WE KIND OF WANTED TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, A HOME, UH, AND THEN JUST A BUILDING. SO WHEN WE DESIGNED THAT, WE TOOK EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT WHEN PEOPLE PASS THIS WAY AND THAT WAY AND ON THE SIDEWAYS, 'CAUSE WE ARE ON A CORNER. SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU NOTICE THIS, THE WAY THE DESIGN OF THE, OF THE PLAT WHEN YOU'RE GOING FROM ALAMO TOWARDS, UH, I'M KIND OF GOING VIS MAKE YOU VISUALIZE SOMETHING. IF YOU'RE GOING FROM, UH, ALAMO TOWARDS PROBAND, YOU CANNOT EVEN SEE OUR HOME UNTIL YOU GET THERE. SO BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE STRUCTURE IS, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. BUT, UM, SO WHEN WE DESIGNED THE WING, WE SAID, OKAY, WE DO NOT WANNA TAKE ANYTHING FROM THE, THE VALUE OF THE HISTORICAL BUILDING. WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT BUILDING, THEY'RE GONNA SEE THAT FIRST. AND THAT WAS THE ONLY, UH, UH, IDEA WE EVER HAD IN MIND. WHEN YOU GO ON GUNTHER, WE WERE, WE'RE HIDING THAT SAME STRUCTURE WITH AN ADDITION THAT WAS DONE IN, UH, THE LATE SEVENTIES, WHICH WE ARE NOT GONNA BOTHER WITH THAT AT ALL BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S REALLY KIND OF CUTE. SO WE'RE GONNA ADD TO THAT EAST OF THAT. AND OVERALL THE WHOLE STRUCTURE IS HIDDEN AWAY NO MATTER WHAT ANGLE YOU GO TO, EXCEPT IF YOU GO ONTO MADISON, WHICH IS THE LEAST STREET, THEN YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HARDLY SEE THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S 60 FEET AWAY IN THE FRONT PART OF IT. WE MEASURED FROM THIS, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW STRUCTURE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE 52 FEET NOW. ALSO THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE KNOW THAT THE HISTORICAL BUILDING IS 36 FEET IN HEIGHT FROM TOP TO THE BOTTOM. OUR NEW STRUCTURE IS NOT GOING TO INTERFERE WITH THAT AT ALL. IT WE, OUR MAX HEIGHT ON THE NEW STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE NO MORE THAN 23 FEET. THAT IS WITH THE, THE, THE TWO STORY. SO WHEN WE, UM, TOOK ALL THAT IN MIND, WE SAID, OKAY, WE DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE ANYTHING FROM THE HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE KIND OF COOL TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UH, IMITATE THE 19 SE UH, LATE 1970S. AND THAT WAS TO DO THE, THE LAMP AND GAP, WHICH IS WHAT IT IS TODAY, THE LAPPING GAP AND JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UM, PUT THE, PUT THE SIDING ON THE STRUCTURE. THE 1890 HISTORIC BUILDING IS TOTAL BRICK. IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT BRICK, TOP TO BOTTOM, FIRST FLOOR ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO, UM, NOW FROM GOING LINE TO LINE, UH, WE HAVE, THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THERE, , WE'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UM, WE HAD ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, INITIALLY DECIDED TO USE WHAT WE CALL THE WOOD CLAD. WELL, AND, AND THAT'S FINE. I UNDERSTAND. I'M LEARNING FROM, UH, EVERYBODY THAT, UH, HISTORICALLY THAT [02:25:01] IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. SO, UH, WE SAID, OKAY, SO WE WERE GOING TO USE WHAT THEY CALL THE MARVIN WINDOW, WHICH THEY USED BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC VALUES OF HOMES THAT ARE BEING RENOVATED. SO THEY'RE USING THE MARVIN, WHAT, WHAT MARVIN'S CALLING THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED IF WE WOULD, THE WINDOWS WILL BE WOOD IN AND OUT TO KIND OF MATCH THE, THE, THE SAME WINDOWS BACK IN 1890. AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM OF RESETTING THEM AS, UH, UH, AS, UH, UH, AS REQUIRED. UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED A FEW ISSUES HERE. UH, LET'S SEE. OKAY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE HEIGHT. UH, WE, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOWS. I THINK WERE THE BIG ISSUE. I THINK THE VIS THE VIEW OF THE BUILDING, UM, MATERIALS NOW WE PLAN TO USE THE SAME TYPE OF SIDING AS IT IS TODAY. THERE IS, IT IS AVAILABLE. WE JUST NEED TO ORDER IT AND PUT IT ON WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. UM, NOW, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE FRONT FACING, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM TO CHANGE THAT AT ALL. TO MAKE IT MORE SIMPLIFIED. WE ARE HERE TO ACCOMMODATE. WE ARE NOT HERE TO ARM WRESTLE. WE'RE JUST HERE TO DO A GOOD JOB. I'VE BEEN IN THE BUILDING BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS. I HAVE BUILT IN SOME OF THE NICER NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THE DOMINION FAIR OAKS RANCH I BUILT IN ALAMO HEIGHTS. AND I'VE, I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK, SO I KNOW IT'S BEST TO COMPLY. SO WE'RE NOT HERE. UH, AND, AND BECAUSE WE OWN IT, WE ARE HERE TO COMPLY. AND IF Y'ALL THINK OF SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT MISS AND, UH, THAT WAY WE CAN GET APPROVALS QUICKER, BY ALL MEANS I AM OPEN TO ANYTHING JUST SO WE CAN GET IT GOING. UM, WE, WE PLAN TO MAKE IT AN EXQUISITE HISTORICAL BUILDING LANDSCAPE. IT'S GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL AND I'M REAL EXCITED TO SEE THE FINISHED PRODUCT, BUT IT'S NOT SELLABLE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE A MASTER SUITE. THAT MASTER SUITE, OF COURSE, TO ALL OF US IS SO IMPORTANT THESE DAYS. YOU NEED CLOSETS, YOU NEED THE BATHTUBS, YOU NEED SHOWERS, YOU NEED THIS AND THAT. AND WE CREATED THAT IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, STRUCTURE. AND WITH THE, UH, 1970S STRUCTURE. AND I KNOW THAT WHEN Y'ALL SEE THIS, IT'S GONNA BE, Y'ALL GONNA SAY, WOW, Y'ALL NEED TO DO SOME MORE IN HERE. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR PLAN IS. WE WANNA DO MORE AND WE WANT TO, UH, MAKE IT SIM SIMPLE. AND, UH, WE JUST, UH, NEED ADVICE. YOU KNOW, FOR NOW, LIKE I HAVE BUILT IN THE ALAMO HEIGHTS, THE SIMPLE THING IS JUST COMMUNICATION. WHAT Y'ALL EXPECT, WHAT Y'ALL CAN ADVISE US, YOU KNOW, STOPPING, YOU KNOW. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, WE WOULD LIKE, WE WOULD LOVE TO PROGRESS ON AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO, UM, GET OUR DESIGNER, WHICH COSTS ME EVERY TIME I TALK TO HIM, TO DECIDE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED. AND I WILL GO TO HIM AND SAY, THIS IS IT. AND THAT WAY NEXT TIME I SEE YOU GUYS, I CAN PRESENT IT TO YOU AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO BECAUSE WE'VE COMMUNICATED. AND, UM, SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE'RE AT. BUT I THINK THE MAIN THING WAS THE, THE THE NOT EVER TAKEN AWAY. AND THAT WAS NEVER MY INTENT, UH, WHEN WE GOT THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE I FELL IN LOVE WITH IT. AND I SAID, IF, AND I BOUGHT IT WITH THE VIEW OF MY EXPERIENCE OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT AS A FINISHED PRODUCT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LITTLE TWEAKS HERE AND THERE. SO, UM, I JUST, UH, I THINK WE CAUGHT ALL OUR POINTS. I THINK WE DID. I DIDN'T, I DON'T, UH, I DON'T, WHEN I TALKED TO MY ARCHITECT, I WAS MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO, UH, ADDRESS EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO THE RULES. WE DON'T THINK WE'RE SPECIAL. SOME THINGS WE DO THINK WE ARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA COMPLY. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WE DO IS IN COMPLIANCE. SO, UM, APPRECIATE IT IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PLAN. AND, UM, AND THAT'S IT. I THINK. WELL, THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS MY DAUGHTER. SHE'S THE NEW ONE. SHE'S GROWN UP IN THE BUSINESS AND SHE'S NOW, SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S TAKEN OVER IN, IN, UH, IN KING WILLIAMS. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. I'M TEACHING HER. WELL A QUESTION FOR YOU, UM, BASED ON, UH, SOME OF STAFF STIPULATIONS AND A LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, MAINLY ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE ADDITION TO [02:30:01] THE HISTORIC HOUSE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MEET WITH, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH IS MORE INFORMAL MM-HMM. AND WE CAN GET INTO MORE DETAILS ABOUT, UM, SUGGESTIONS OR HOW TO MM-HMM. , UH, COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES A LITTLE FURTHER? YEAH, OF COURSE. I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO MEET WITH WHOEVER TO KIND OF FIGURE THAT OUT, THAT'D BE FINE. BUT KIND OF LIKE WE SAID, TO PUT IT ON THE BACKSIDE'S, NOT GONNA MAKE MUCH SENSE CONSIDERING WE ALREADY HAVE ONE STRUCTURE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA EXTEND IT. IT'S JUST GONNA KEEP, AND NOW YOU CAN SEE IT FROM ALL THREE ANGLES AT THAT POINT, AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF MESSY. WHEREAS THE SETTING NOW IS AT LEAST HIDDEN FROM MAJORITY ANGLES. BUT I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO MEET, WE, WE'D GOTTA MEET, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I JUST HAD A COUPLE. YEAH, YEAH. ONE WAS, IF THERE HAD BEEN A D R C AND, UM, AND I GUESS, UH, HAVE YOU MET WITH THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION? MM-HMM. NO, MA'AM. NOT YET. AND UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, SO CURRENTLY THE DRIVEWAY IS FROM MADISON, AND THEN NO, THERE'S NO PLANS FOR A PARKING STRUCTURE. LIKE THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY. LIKE IS IT ? NO. SO IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT SOUTH ALAMO THAT THERE'S, UM, ABOUT PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT IN FRONT OF THE, THE NEW ADDITION WE'RE GOING TO, WE HAVE PLANS FOR, UH, LIKE JUST A, LIKE, NOT GRAVEL, BUT LIKE THE CRUSHED GRANITE, JUST KIND OF LIKE A SINGLE DRIVE UP, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A CUT THERE. MM-HMM. . CORRECT. UM, AND KIND OF LIKE, I UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL WANNA KEEP EVERYTHING IN LINE WITH THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF IT. SO WE HAVE PHOTOS THAT DO DATE BACK ALL THE WAY, AND THAT WAS THE INTENDED DRIVEWAY. SO TO KEEP IT ON MADISON, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE'D LIKE TO DO A CURB CUT, BUT OF COURSE I KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER MEETING. THAT'S THE PLAN IS TO REMOVE THE CURB CUT IN MADISON AND MAYBE APPLY FOR ONE ON SOUTH ALMO. YES, MA'AM. UM, I'M, I WILL SUPPORT A MOTION FOR D R C. NO. OH, I THINK A D R C CAN BE, I KNOW FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THE WHOLE THOUGHT WAS TO SAY, LET'S STICK WITH THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF THIS HOUSE. SO THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE IS ON SOUTH ALAMO. THE, THE, I MEAN, WE EVEN, WE EVEN HAVE AN OLD PICTURE OF THE HOUSE. WE COULD NOT BELIEVE IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A GREAT, UH, PICTURE HERE. OF COURSE, THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT SIDE DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE, BUT THE DRIVEWAY IS ACTUALLY ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WHICH IS THE SIDE OF WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THE, THE DRIVEWAY FROM SOUTH ALAMO. IT, IT'S, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. OKAY. SO TO CLARIFY, YOU ARE THE OWNER? YES, MA'AM. ? YES, MA'AM. UH, MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. UM, IF, IF WE COULD GO, IF I COULD ASK STAFF TO TAKE US TO PAGE 16, WELL MAY MAYBE PAGE 17, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS IN, IN MY PICTURE SET. OKAY. WHAT IS THAT? 22? I'M SORRY. 22. SO, SO THE, THE ADDITION IS ON THE FLAT SIDE. IT'S ON, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS. ON THE LEFT SIDE, YES, SIR. OKAY. AND, UM, WHICH IS, UH, UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE. YES. AND I, AND I CAN SEE THAT VERY, VERY, UH, THOUGHTFUL OF YOU TO, TO FIT IT WHEN LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN IN THE AREA THAT, THAT, UH, PRESERVES THE LOOK WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ON GUNTHER. RIGHT. UM, THE, UM, UM, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES. OKAY. BUT I HAVE TO LIKE GET IT OUTTA MY HEAD, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE INTENT FOR YOUR DRIVEWAY, AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT ALAMO? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. WE HAVE A, A, AN ELECTRIC GATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL. OKAY. SO THAT WAY IT'D BE A PUSH BUTTON, ELECTRIC GATE, EASY ACCESS INTO, INTO THE DRIVEWAY WITH NO, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME PLACES ON SOUTH ALAMO YOU HAVE TO GET OFF AND YOU HAVE TO OPEN UP. THAT'S NOT WHAT, WHAT WE WANNA DO. WE WANNA HAVE AN ELECTRIC GATE THERE, SO IT'D BE EASY ACCESS FOR THE, UH, OWNER TO COME IN AND JUST, UH, PUSH A BUTTON AND JUST HAVE THAT. WELL, THE COMPLEXITY IS THAT YOU'RE BY THE CORNER. BUT LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE MADISON SIDE. WHY, WHY WOULDN'T YOU PURSUE THE MADISON SIDE? WELL, BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, [02:35:01] UH, OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANNA DO LATER ON. SO WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, WE WANNA DO EVERYTHING RIGHT UP FRONT MM-HMM. AND THEN LATER ON, YOU KNOW, UH, COME TO YOU GUYS FOR OTHER PREPARED OTHER PLANS. YES, SIR. AND, AND HAD YOU THOUGHT OF SUBMITTING FOR, UH, CONCEPTUAL PRIOR TO A FINAL, WHAT DID YOU SAY? CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS CONCEPTUAL, CONCEPTUAL, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS, IS MORE LIKE A, LIKE A BIRD'S EYE APPROVAL OR, OR AN APPROVAL OF, OF, UH, YOUR INTENT MM-HMM. BEFORE A FINAL, THAT KIND OF GOES IN LINE WITH A CONSULTATION. OKAY. LIKE, UH, YOU WANT A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF WHAT? NO, NO, NO. I MEAN, I MEAN IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF APPROVALS RATHER THAN A FINAL APPROVAL TO GO FOR A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN. SO WE GO TO LIKE, UH, DIFFERENT COMMITTEE FIRST. SAME. WELL, IT'S THE COMMITTEE MADE OF THE SAME PEOPLE, BUT IT'S LET'S SAY FROM A TO B SOMETHING IN THE, BEFORE YOU GET TO B, IT'S A SCHEMATIC AND A HALF SCHEMATIC DESIGN APPROVAL. SCHEMATIC DESIGN. YEAH. OKAY. SO BASICALLY LIKE A BEFORE A FINAL, JUST KIND OF LIKE A ROUGH DRAFT ALMOST. OH, OKAY. YEAH, I THINK WE, I MEAN THAT, THAT, WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE ASK STAFF TO INFORM THEM ABOUT THAT OPTION. I THINK WE WANTED TO LEAVE THE STRUCTURE AS IT WAS, I THINK JUST TO SIMPLIFY IT. UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? NO, NO, NO. BUT NO MOM, IT'S TO MEET WITH LIKE THE, THE PRELIMINARY MEET WITH THE STAFF BEFORE COMING BACK BASICALLY MM-HMM. , SO THAT WAY EVERYTHING'S IN ORDER AND THEN THAT WAY THEY CAN JUST BE LIKE, STAFF STAFF WILL FOLLOW YOU UP ON THAT. I'LL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT TO YOU. I, I LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU WENT ABOUT THE DESIGN. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? I'LL DO A MOTION A GROUP, UM, UM, DO A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO A D R C I SECOND. I THINK THAT WOULD BE, SORRY, YES. THAT WOULD BE THE FORUM FOR WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I DO ALSO RECOMMEND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING ALL THE ROOF FORMS. I KNOW DESIGN, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE YOU GO TO YOUR DESIGNER RIGHT AWAY OR ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE CHANGES, BUT I THINK THE ROOF FORMS FROM A TOP VIEW, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, UM, UNDERSTANDING THE, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ROOF THAT YOU WERE KEEPING AND THEN WITH THE ADDITION OH. FROM THE 1970S AND HOW YOU CONNECT THAT TO THE NEW ONE. RIGHT. SO IT'S KIND OF JUST LIKE A, A METAL SHEATHING AND YOU PUT A METAL 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T FLIP THE METAL LIKE BEND IT. RIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA PUT ONE AND JUST KEEP THAT EXISTING METAL TO HAVE THE SAME EXACT METAL. YEAH. I JUST WANNA SEE THAT OR UNDERSTAND IT BETTER FROM A OH, FROM STANDPOINT. YES MA'AM. THAT WOULD JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THINK A LOT, SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS. I AGREE THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT ACCEPT. I THINK THAT STIPULATIONS NEED TO BE STAINED STANDARD AND MAYBE EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. UM, AND I THINK IT, IT'S JUST, I MEAN IT'S FOCUSING ON, UM, IT'S REALLY IS THE SIZE OF THE ADDITION AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED, WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE PLANS LATER FOR MADISON, EXPLAIN THAT TO US BECAUSE MAYBE THAT WILL EVEN HELP IT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW AS IT IS MM-HMM. , IT IS VISUALLY IMPACTING THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC HOME AND IT'S ALSO ALMOST THE SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC HOME. RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT. AND I THINK I ALSO AGREE WITH THAT IS YOU STILL ARE, I MEAN, WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED A MASTER STREET, I AGREE, BUT YOU'RE ADDING AS AN ADDITION THAT'S ALMOST THE SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL HOME AND VISUALLY IMPACTING WHAT WAS THERE. AND I KNOW IT'S SET BACK A LOT, BUT MAYBE THERE IS AN OPTION TO, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT SETTING IT MORE BACK, VISUALIZING LESS IMPACT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO MAKE, I KNOW IT'S ONLY 23, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT IF YOU ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER, IT'S PROBABLY JUST GONNA MAKE THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, GO SMOOTHER . RIGHT. AND I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE SIZE IN YOUR OPINION? BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, ALMOST WHEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES. I THINK IN THIS CASE YOU'RE, I DON'T KNOW, WAS IT LIKE A THOUSAND AND YOUR TOTAL HOUSE IS 1300 AND IT'S NOT LIKE A NO, THE TOTAL HOUSE IS OVER 2300. IT'D BE THE FOOTPRINT WHAT'S ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE SECOND ADDITION. JUST FOOT FOOTPRINT. YOU'RE SAYING F FULL SQUARE FOOTAGE. I WAS LIKE, OH NO, NO, NO, NO. SO I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT THE FINDINGS AND I THINK STAFF WILL HELP YOU. AND I DON'T, THERE'S NO GOLDEN RULE. IT JUST HAS TO BE LESS. RIGHT? I MEAN, THINK OF IT, YOU HAVE A BIG, YOU KNOW, OLD HOME AND YOU WANNA ADD AN ADDITION WHETHER IT'S SEPARATE OR ADDED TO IT. OKAY. IT JUST HAS TO LOOK SMALLER AND, 'CAUSE IT'S, YOU'RE DOING IT TWO WAYS, RIGHT? YOU'RE, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE ADDITION THAT SIZE COULDN'T WORK IN THE BACK, BUT BECAUSE IT'S VISUAL FROM THE FRONT, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT HELPING YOU ON THAT TOO, SO, OKAY. YOU SEE? SURE. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MAZUA. AYE. [02:40:01] GIRA. AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND GET THIS SCHEDULED FOR, UM, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. YES SIR. THANK YOU MUCH. PROBABLY NEXT WEEK SOMETIME. ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD. THANKS. AGENDA ITEM 26. THANK YOU. ITEM 26 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 24 20 30 WEST MULBERRY AVENUE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 16 1 1 WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH E. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL EXISTING WOOD, EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ARE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, NATE MANFRED AND THE OWNER ROBERT CHALK HERE IN PERSON. AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M NATHAN MANFRED, UH, WITH RANCHER, MICHIGAN. I'M REPRESENTING, UH, THE OWNER AT 2030 WEST MULBERRY ABOUT THIS WINDOW REPLACEMENT PROJECT. DO YOU PLAY THE THING FIRST OR ? OH, GO AHEAD. OKAY, SORRY. UM, SO THE OWNER IS REQUESTING TO REPLACE MOST OF THE WOOD WINDOWS AROUND THE HOUSE, THE TWO SIDES IN THE FRONT. UM, HE IS REQUESTING TO REPLACE THEM WITH PELLA LIFESTYLE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE FULLY WOOD WINDOWS, SO THEY'RE NOT CLAD WINDOWS. UM, ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES IS THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE KIND OF GETTING PAST THEIR LIFESPAN. THE OWNER HAS IMPROVED OR MADE SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, CORRECTIONS TO MANY OF THE WINDOWS AND REPAIRED MANY OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE GETTING BEYOND THEIR REPAIR LIFE. AND HE HAS ALSO GONE AND FOUND SASHES FOR SEVERAL, A FEW OF THE WINDOWS TO REPLACE THOSE, BUT IS FINDING IT HARDER TO GET SASHES THAT MATCH. UM, HE'S GONE TO, I KNOW PICKERS PARADISE AND PLACES LIKE THAT TO GET REPLACEMENTS AND WHILE THEY FIT, THEY'RE NOT PERFECT MATCHES. SO HE'S KIND OF BEEN ABLE TO COBBLE TOGETHER SOME REPAIRS. SEVERAL OF THE OTHER WINDOWS ARE, LIKE I SAID, GETTING PAST THEIR KIND OF REPAIR LIFE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN GLUED, BONDED, YOU KNOW, PUT TOGETHER WITH OTHER PIECES OF WOOD. SO IT'S JUST GETTING TO THAT POINT WHERE HE WOULD LIKE TO JUST GO AHEAD AND REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALL NEW FULLY WOOD WINDOWS. AND FROM OUR INVESTIGATION, THE PELLA LIFESTYLE WOULD, UH, BE AN APPROPRIATE, UH, REPLACEMENT IN TERMS OF ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DIMENSIONAL, UM, I GUESS MEETING THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS. AND THE OWNERS HERE WITH ME, HE HAS ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND KIND OF DONE AN, I GUESS AN INFORMAL INVENTORY OF LIKE WINDOWS AND THE, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. SO I THINK HE'D BE, BE BEST TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT. SURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M ROBERT CHALK. I AM THE HOMEOWNER. UM, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. THE HOME WAS BUILT IN 26 AND MY FAMILY HAS OWNED IT SINCE 26. UM, I'M THE THIRD OWNER OF THE HOME. I, I INHERITED IT LAST YEAR UPON MY MOTHER'S DEATH, UM, MY ENTIRE CHILDHOOD WHO HAS BEEN SPENT REBUILDING THESE WINDOWS, , MY DAD AND I HAVE TAKEN APART ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE WINDOWS PUT IT BACK TOGETHER, UH, WITH SALVAGED PIECES HERE AND THERE. UH, WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF THE SALVAGE, UM, COMPANIES AROUND TOWN, UM, BUT THEY HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR, UM, THEIR USEFUL LIFE AS FAR AS OTHER WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A LOWER MIDDLE INC. IN INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS NOT LIKE, UH, KING WILLIAM OR, OR ANY OF THESE HIGH END NEIGHBORHOODS. SO A LOT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE SINCE REPLACED MOST OF THEIR WINDOWS. UM, AND NOT NECESSARILY IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. I'VE SPOKEN TO MOST OF THE HOMEOWNERS ON MY BLOCK, AND THERE'S A MIXTURE OF VINYL WINDOWS, ALUMINUM FRAMED WINDOWS. UM, SOME OF THE OLDER, UH, REPAIRS WERE DONE WITH STEEL WINDOWS. UM, SO THERE ARE VERY FEW HOUSES ON THE BLOCK THAT STILL HAVE ALL OF THEIR ORIGINAL WINDOWS. THE ADDRESS IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR TO ME HAS A MIXTURE OF ORIGINAL WINDOWS, ALUMINUM FRAMED WINDOWS AND VINYL WINDOWS. UM, IF YOU, IF YOU GO UP AND DOWN JUST MULBERRY, JUST MY STREET, YOU'LL FIND THAT THERE ARE GOOD MANY, UM, HOMES THAT HAVE REPLACED THEIR, THEIR WINDOWS. IN FACT, I'VE GOT A LIST, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS HELPFUL OR NOT, AS WE GO UP AND DOWN THE STREET VIEW, STARTING AT 2025. UM, WE [02:45:01] HAVE VINYL WINDOWS ON 2025. UM, SO WE'LL START YEAH, AT THE WEST END OF THE, OF THE BLOCK. 25. YEAH, 25. I'M SORRY. 51 . UM, I'VE GOT A LIST OF ADDRESSES HERE. SO , THE NUMBERS KIND OF MILLED TOGETHER. SO WE'VE GOT VINYL WINDOWS ON 2051, UM, SOME ALUMINUM FRAMED WINDOWS ON 2046. UM, SOME STEEL WINDOWS ON 20 35, 20 32 IS A MIXTURE OF WINDOWS, SOME BEING ORIGINAL, SOME BEING VINYL, SO ON AND SO FORTH. 2017 IS VINYL. 2004 IS VINYL GOING DOWN ONE BLOCK OVER. THEN NUMBERS GO EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER OF, UM, 1944 HAS ALUMINUM. 1940 HAS VINYL. 30 19 34 HAS VINYL. 1930S GOT VINYL. 1926 HAS ALUMINUM. 1917 HAS VINYL. 1916 IS A MIX. 1912 IS VINYL. AND 1908 ARE ARE VINYL. THAT'S JUST THE TWO BLOCKS OF MULBERRY. IF YOU GO ONE BLOCK EITHER SIDE OF MULBERRY, UH, THE NUMBERS GO UP. UM, WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS NOT, UH, VINYL WINDOWS. PERSONALLY, I THINK THE VINYL WINDOWS ARE TERRIBLY INCONGRUOUS WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF ANY OF THE HOMES. BUT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THE ALL WOOD, UM, PELLA WINDOWS. THEY'RE USED ON HISTORIC, HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND, UM, THE PELLA REP WAS SAYING THAT IT'S THE SAME WINDOWS THAT HOTEL EMMA APPARENTLY HAS IN IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, MAY WE HAVE THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE? AGENDA ITEM 26 20 30 WEST MULBERRY, CASE NUMBER 20 23 3 2 4. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER, A MEMBER OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE NINE MEMBER M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO O BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR SEEKING TO IMPROVE THEIR HISTORIC HOME. HOWEVER WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. THE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY ARE IN A REPAIRABLE CONDITION AND SHOULD BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS. SO A QUESTION FOR STAFF. HAVE Y'ALL MADE A SITE VISIT TO, UH, REVIEW THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS AND, AND THE REPAIRS THAT, UH, MR. CHALK HAS MADE OVER THE YEARS? YEAH, WE MADE A SITE VISIT, UM, AND, UM, I OBSERVED, UH, ONE NEW SASH AND, UM, MOST OF THE DAMAGE, THE OTHER SASHES WERE, UH, DAMAGED LIGHTS THAT COULD BE REGLAZED. UM, SOME BROKEN, UH, CORDS AND MISSING WEIGHTS. UM, BUT THE WOOD MEMBERS OF THE WINDOWS THAT I OBSERVED WERE LARGELY IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION, ENTIRELY IN, IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN REPAIRED NUMEROUS TIMES AND I'M VERY GOOD AT PAINTING . WE HAVE HIDDEN OVER THE YEARS, UH, MY FATHER AND I HAVE HIDDEN MOST OF THE REPAIRS, SO IT'S HARD TO, TO SEE THESE REPAIRS, BUT THE, THE COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF WOOD GLUE, UM, WOODEN DOWELS, UM, ANY NUMBER OF OTHER, UM, KIND OF, UH, UH, WOOD SCRAPS THAT COULD BE COBBLED TOGETHER, CLAMPED, UH, SCREW TOGETHER, SO ON AND SO FORTH. WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB. I WILL SAY THAT WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING THESE, THESE WINDOWS FOR AS LONG AS WE CAN. UM, AND THESE WINDOWS, OF COURSE, WHEN BUILT IN 26 WERE OF COURSE DESIGNED TO BE REPAIRED, FIXED, MAINTAINED, SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT EVERYTHING HAS A LIFESPAN. AND IN 1926, I VERY MUCH DOUBT THAT THE ARCHITECTS INTENDED THESE WINDOWS TO BE STILL BEING FUNCTIONAL AND REPAIRING. A HUNDRED YEARS LATER. THESE HOUSES WERE DEPRESSION ERA HOUSES. THEY WERE NOT THINKING A HUNDRED YEARS DOWN THE LINE. UH, HAVING SAID THAT, WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST TO KEEP ALL THE WOODEN COMPONENTS, UM, AT LEAST WATER TIGHT. MOST OF THE ROPES AND WEIGHTS CORRECT ARE, ARE UN NOT NECESSARILY FUNCTIONAL. UM, BUT IT'S THE WOOD COMPONENTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, WORKED PRIMARILY ON AS FAR AS TRYING TO KEEP INTACT. MR. CHAIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRU, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. ARE THERE QUESTIONS? UM, MR. CHAIR? I DO HAVE SS. YES. UM, YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY [02:50:01] PHOTOS FROM THE INTERIOR, DID YOU? DO WE HAVE INTERIOR PHOTOGRAPHS? THOSE USUALLY TELL ANOTHER STORY, ANOTHER PART OF THE STORY. MM-HMM. , I TOOK SOME INTERIOR PHOTOS, BUT I WAS OUT ON FRIDAY AND FORGOT TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE CASE FILE. THAT WAS MY, MY MISTAKE. MM-HMM. , I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN BRING THEM UP NOW. OKAY. UM, SEND THE FOLDER THEN. SURE. I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE'LL DO A A D R C SITE VISIT. MM-HMM. IF THERE ARE NO INTERIOR PHOTOS. THERE WAS A SITE VISIT, UM, WHERE WE GOT TO MEET AND, AND HAVE AN EXCHANGE. UH, THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. UM, THE LAST 40 YEARS OR SO, MY MOTHER'S BEEN USING IT, HAD BEEN USING IT AS A RENTAL PROPERTY, SO THE INTERIOR WAS GETTING PAINTED ONCE A YEAR. SOMETIMES WE HAD SIX MONTH RENTERS, SO SURE, SURE. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PAINT THAT'S BEEN SLAPPED ACROSS THE INTERIOR. AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU SAY THEY HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFULNESS OR THEIR LIFE MM-HMM. , WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT YOU FEEL IS FAILING OR IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? GREAT. UM, SO THEY LEAK AIR. WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO MITIGATE THAT BY TIGHTENING UP SOME OF THE, UM, UH, THE FRAMING COMPONENTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. THEY LEAK QUITE A BIT OF AIR. UM, THE HEAT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS REALLY SOMETHING ELSE. YOU CAN FEEL HEAT COMING IN THROUGH THE GLASS. UM, THIS TIME OF YEAR IN PARTICULAR, IF YOU TOUCH THE GLASS, IT'S QUITE HOT TO THE TOUCH. UH, A DOUBLE PANE WINDOW OBVIOUSLY IS FAR MORE EFFICIENT. UM, AS FAR AS THE HEAT EXCHANGE, THE THERMAL EXCHANGE, UM, I'VE NEVER BEEN TERRIBLY CONCERNED WITH THE FACT THAT THE, UH, ROPES AND WEIGHTS ARE NON-FUNCTIONAL MORE THAN ANYTHING IS BEING ABLE TO KEEP OUT COLD AIR IN THE WINTER AND HOT AIR IN THE SUMMER, KEEP OUT THE RAIN, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AGAIN, WE'VE SHIMMED THESE, THESE WINDOWS OVER THE DECADES TO MITIGATE THIS, BUT IT IS GETTING HARDER AND HARD TO DO THAT. WE'VE REPLACED A LOT OF THE ROTTED OUT SASHES OVER THE YEARS. IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARD TO FIND THOSE COMPONENTS. RECENTLY I REPLACED AN ENTIRE, UH, SECTION OF ONE OF THE WINDOWS, ONE OF THE FRONT WINDOWS WITH THE SALVAGED PIECE FROM PICKER'S PARADISE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THOSE DIMENSIONS ARE GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO COME BY. SO WE'RE AT THE END OF, OF THE LIFESPAN OF BEING ABLE TO REPAIR THESE. MR. MR I HAVE A, OH, I'M SORRY. OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, THE PHOTOS SEEM TO BE, I WOULD SAY NOT TOO BAD. I MEAN, THEY LOOK PRETTY GOOD. THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS ON SOME EXTERIOR FINISHES AND JOINTS, UM, BUT I KNOW THAT WHAT YOU HAVE TO ME APPEARS VERY REPAIRABLE. THEY PRESENT VERY WELL, THEY DO PRESENT VERY WELL IN PHOTOGRAPHS. AND, AND GO AHEAD. OH, SO, UM, I'M SORRY. GO RIGHT AHEAD AND FINISH IT. OKAY. THEY PRESENT WELL IN PHOTOGRAPHS AND, UH, IN PERSON, BUT I ASSURE YOU IF YOU'RE LIVING IN THE HOUSE, YOU WILL, YOU WILL ENCOUNTER QUITE SOME ISSUES, ESPECIALLY IN A RAINSTORM OR, UH, HIGH WINDS. UHHUH, HOW MANY TOTAL WINDOWS? I THINK TOTAL, THERE'S LIKE 26 WINDOWS, BUT WE'RE NOT REPLACING ALL OF THEM. WE'RE WE'RE, WE ARE AIMING TO REPLACE THE CRITICAL WINDOWS, WHICH I FORGET THEY'RE 16 REQUESTED. 16. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO REPLACE 'EM ALL TO KEEP MAINTAINING UNIFORMITY? I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM REPLACING ALL OF THEM. I JUST ASSUMED THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE ON THE TABLE, BUT THAT WAS AN ASSUMPTION. SO THAT'S WHY I ELECTED TO REPLACE THE, UM, THE CRITICAL WINDOWS AND THE CRITICAL ONES WOULD BE ON THE FRONT AND THE TWO SIDE FACADES. SO THE FRONT AND THE EAST WALL IN PARTICULAR, AND A HANDFUL ON THE WEST WALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE A MOTION? YES, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. YES. UM, MY MOTION IS BASICALLY GONNA BE, UM, A DENIAL OF A WHOLE APPROVAL OF ALL THE 16, UM, FOR THE STIPULATION OF IF YOU WANT US TO INVITE US TO A SITE VISIT TO SEE, UM, LESS THAN 16 WINDOWS OR SOME SPECIFIC WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED. I KNOW STAFF HAS ALREADY DONE IT. WELL, LET ME, I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND. AND, AND BASICALLY, UM, THERE'S TWO THINGS. STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THIS ONE, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT ON NOT, UM, APPROVING LIKE THAT HIGH AMOUNT OF WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED. SPECIFICALLY. ALSO, IF STAFF HAS BEEN THERE FOR A SITE VISIT AND FOUND THEM REPAIRABLE. YOU SAY THEY, THEY SHOW GOOD IN PICTURES, THEY LOOK GOOD STAFF WANNA SEE IT. WE'VE SEEN, I THINK IN MY MANY YEARS ON THIS BOARD, I'VE SEEN WINDOWS THAT AREN'T WORST. UM, I ALSO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, [02:55:01] SO I TOOK IT PERSONALLY. WHEN YOU SAID LOW INCOME , I DON'T, I WOULDN'T CONSIDER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE ACTUALLY, EVERY SINGLE HOUSE TAKES CARE OF THE WINDOWS. ALL THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPAIRED. UM, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CASES OF REPLACEMENT BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN THAT NEED. THERE'S ONE HOME THAT ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A WHOLE COURSE OF RE REDOING THE WINDOWS AND HOW TO REPAIR THEM. AND SO I LIVE IN A HOME WHERE I HAVE REPAIRED AND, AND, AND STAFF, IF YOU LEAVE, READ THE FINDING ON, ON WINDOWS, THERE'S A WHOLE STUDY DONE BY STAFF. I, I WILL, YOU KNOW, STAND BY THIS MOTION THAT, WELL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEFINITELY IS COMING AROUND. THAT IS, THAT IS FOR SURE. IT'S, IT'S NOT AS BAD AS IT ONCE WAS THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT BLOCK YOU'RE LIVING ON, BUT UP AND DOWN MY BLOCK, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO PARK ACROSS THE YARD. THERE ARE, UM, DILAPIDATED HOUSES JUST AT THE END OF MY BLOCK. THERE'S A HOUSE THAT'S COMING IN ON ITSELF. UH, THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO IT HAD CORINTHIAN COLUMNS AT ONE POINT THAT CAME DOWN IN A HEAVY STORM AND WERE REPLACED WITH FOUR BY FOURS, UH, SUPPORTING THE ROOF THAT, THAT'S OVER THE, UH, THE FRONT PORCH, UH, THAT I'M SURE IS NOT IN, UH, ACCORDANCE WITH H D R C RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY'VE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT. NOW, AS FAR AS CONSISTENCY, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DRIVE UP AND DOWN MY STREET, MULBERRY EXACTLY WHERE YOU LIVE. AND SO JUST, UH, SEE SOME OF THE GLAZING. I MEAN, I THINK THERE COULD BE A REALLY GOOD, YOU KNOW, A A THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD CARPENTERS IN TOWN THAT CAN ACTUALLY DO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE REPAIRS. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T DO IT WELL, YOUR FAMILY DIDN'T DO IT WELL, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE COULD BE A GOOD REPAIR JOB UNLESS YOU CAN COME BACK IF YOU FEEL LIKE SOME OF THESE WINDOWS, YOU WANT US TO SEE THEM INSIDE AND OUTSIDE AND THEY'RE UNREPAIRABLE, BUT I THINK WE'RE MORE FOCUSED ON WOOD ROT, WHICH I DON'T SEE A LOT OF. AND YOU KNOW, AIR, YES, AIR WILL LEAK OUT OF THE OLD WINDOWS. YEAH. WELL, THE WOOD ROD HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, NUMEROUS TIMES. UH, THE POINT IS THAT THE BOTTOM PARTS OF EACH OF THOSE SASSE SASHES IS GETTING HARDER TO COME BY. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME CUSTOM MILLED, UM, PIECES OF WOOD. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TWO OR THREE CUSTOM MILLED PIECES OF WOOD AND BASICALLY YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE REPLACED THE WINDOW. IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW ANYMORE. IT'S, IT'S A REPLACEMENT THAT LOOKS SIMILAR TO IT. UH, IN WHICH CASE IT'S NOT REALLY ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE ALL WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING MANUFACTURED BY PELLA AND OTHER COMMENTS. MR. CHAIR, WE YES. ARE WE AFTER A MOTION AND A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. OKAY. YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, I, I, I CAN'T HELP BUT, UM, SEE THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE US AS THE EXPERT IN THE CIRCUMSTANCE, BECAUSE THERE, HIS, HIS WINDOWS AND HIS FATHER'S WINDOWS AND HIS, HIS GRANDPARENTS' WINDOWS, AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE ARGUMENT WE WERE HAVING WITH THE SCHOOL DOWN THE STREET, THAT WE WERE ASSUMING THAT THEIR WINDOWS WERE ORIGINAL. AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THEY HAD A WOOD SHOP WHERE OVER THE MANY DECADES THEY REMANUFACTURED THE WINDOWS. AND IN FACT, THERE WASN'T AN ORIGINAL WINDOW LEFT IN THE, IN THE SCHOOL. IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF IT BEING THE ORIGINAL WINDOW, UM, THE, UM, THE, THE NEED SEEMS TO BE VERY, UM, UH, IMPORTANT TO, TO THIS HOMEOWNER. AND AT, AT SOME POINT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE, UH, SALVAGE YARD AND THE, AND THE, AND THE CULTURE OF, OF A NON, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WASTING OF, OF MATERIAL AT THE SAME TIME, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER AT SOME POINT THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE, THE CONCERN OF THIS APPLICANT AND, AND FUTURE APPLICANTS ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY, PARTICULARLY CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE C P S TELLING US THAT THEY'RE GONNA, THAT, THAT THEY'RE GONNA CUT, UH, POWER AND, AND, AND THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE SOLUTIONS THAT ARE THE REAL SOLUTIONS TO THE REAL PROBLEMS AND NOT JUST THIS KIND OF A DISNEYS DI DISNEY KIND OF PERSPECTIVE OF, OF WHAT, WHAT WE WANNA SEE. I ALSO THINK IT'S VERY INTERESTING THE CONVERSATION THAT THAT KIND OF LEADS TO A, A, AN ASSUMPTION OF A CONVERSATION OF THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS AND, AND THE ECONOMIC DISPARITY THAT EXISTS JUST IN THE WAY THAT WE THINK THAT BECAUSE ONE CAN THEN ALL MUST BE ABLE TO AS WELL CLEAR CLEARLY THIS IS A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT'S ALSO ECONOMIC AND A SOLUTION WITH A PELLA WOOD WINDOW, UM, PROBABLY PROVIDES, UH, A MUCH NEEDED MISSING LINK IN, IN HOW THESE HOUSES REACH ANOTHER LEVEL OF, UM, LONG-TERM USE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. CAN WE RESTATE THE MOTION PLEASE? COULD YOU RESTATE THE MOTION, MOTION TO DENY THE FULL [03:00:01] REPLACEMENT OF 16 WINDOWS? AND CAN THAT BE AMENDED TO, TO SAY, CAN I DO AN AMENDMENT THAT SAYS, UH, REPAIR OR REPLACE IF NEEDED? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE SAID BECAUSE THAT'S JUST AN ADMIN APPROVAL, SO IT REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN MOTION, BUT I CAN STATE IT IN A MOTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT IS. I'M OPEN, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS OFFERED THAT I HEARD IS THAT THE APPLICANT COULD REQUEST A D R C SITE VISIT, UM, TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT LESS THAN THE CURRENT REQUEST. AND SO YOU COULD COME BACK WITH A REVISED REQUEST BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT SITE VISIT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S ALWAYS ON THE TABLE. YOU, YOU CARE THAT ON THE TABLE OR REPLACE WITH IN-KIND MATERIALS. RIGHT. AND A D OR C ALL IS ALWAYS ON OPTION TOO, SO NOT FULL REPLACEMENT. SO IT'S, IT'S THE FULL REPLACEMENT THAT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL REPAIR, WHICH INCLUDES THINGS LIKE REPLACEMENT MEMBERS OF A WINDOW OR REPLACEMENT OF THE GLASS. BUT WHEN WE GET TO REPLACING THE FULL WINDOW SYSTEM, THAT'S WHAT REQUIRES H D R C REVIEW. WELL, WELL THEN CAN WE, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT. IF, IF A WINDOW CANNOT BE REPAIRED, THEN HE CAN REPLACE IT WITH IN-KIND MATERIALS THAT, THAT'S THE AMENDMENT I'M LOOKING FOR. WELL REPAIRED BUT REPLACED. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE THING. THERE'S A MOTION, THERE'S A, UH, REQUEST FOR 16 REPLACEMENT. SO WHAT I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE ARE NOT REPLACING THE 16 GIVING THE OPTION TO THE APPLICANT TO EITHER REPAIR OR COME BACK WITH A LESSER AMOUNT OF WINDOWS TO REPLACE. AND IF HE WANTS A SITE VISIT FOR US TO LOOK AT THEM, MY AMENDMENT IS FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE AS NEEDED. SO IF HE TRIES TO REPAIR FOUR AND FOUR CAN'T BE REPAIRED, HE REPLACES THOSE FOUR AND THEN THE OTHER 16 ARE REPAIR OR THE OTHER, UH, 12 ARE REPAIRED. AT WHOSE DISCRETION WOULD THAT BE AT HIS DISCRETION? CAN YOU RESTATE THE AMENDMENT MOTION SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT BE ALLOWED TO REPAIR OR REPLACE AS NEEDED WITH IN-KIND MATERIAL WINDOW. SECOND DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT'S AN ALTERNATE HOW MANY WINDOWS, HOWEVER HE NEEDS. HE'S ASKING 15. IT'S REALLY NOT AN AMENDMENT RIGHT? IT'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT'S COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE. IT'S AMENDMENT. IT'S AN AMENDMENT. BUT IF THE APPLICANT GETS IN THERE AND STARTS TO RELA OR REPAIR AND FINDS THAT NONE OF THEM CAN BE REPAIRED, IT MAY BE A 16 REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS WHAT HE IS ASKING FOR INITIALLY. YEAH. RIGHT. I THINK WE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR IN THE MOTION IS SOME SORT OF, UM, INSTRUCTION FOR STAFF ON HOW WE CONFIRM AND REVIEW THAT WITH THE APPLICANT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. UM, WE DO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE ADOPTED WINDOW POLICY GUIDE THAT SPEAKS TO WHETHER OR NOT 50% OF THE, UM, COMPONENTS ARE LIKE WINDOW COMPONENTS OF AN INDIVIDUAL WINDOW REQUIRE NEW MATERIAL IN ORDER TO REPAIR A WINDOW. AND SO THAT COULD BE THE BASIS. I, I THINK WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION SO THAT WE KNOW HOW TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT SHOULD THAT BE APPROVED. SO THEN IF THE APPLICANT FINDS THAT MORE THAN 50% OF HIS WINDOWS NEED TO BE REPLACED WITH WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR, HE CAN'T REPAIR 'EM, THEN HE COMES BACK AND DOUBLE CHECKS WITH STAFF. YES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE MOTION, THAT COULD BE STAFF COULD WORK WITH HIM TO CONFIRM THAT IN THOSE INSTANCES. WELL, I, I WOULD ADD THAT TO THE AMENDMENT THEN. AND, AND A QUESTION FOR STAFF, MR. CHAIR AND FOR THE APPLICANT. POSSIBLY. WAIT, DO WE HAVE A, I HAVE SECONDED A SECOND. I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT MOTION TO BE RESTATED, JUST TO BE CLEAR. AMENDMENT IS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR HIS WINDOWS. IF THE WINDOW IS NOT REPAIR, WINDOWS ARE NOT REPAIRABLE THAT HE BE ALLOWED TO REPLACE WITH IN KIND MATERIALS. IF IT, HE SEES THAT MORE THAN 50% OF HIS WINDOWS NEED TO BE REPLACED, THEN HE COMES BACK AND ASKS FOR A REPLACEMENT, UH, OR WORK WITH STAFF TO TRY AND GET THAT WORK THROUGH. I'M TRYING TO PUT THE ONUS ON THE HOMEOWNER AND THE APPLICANT RATHER THAN US DICTATE TO HIM. BUT STAFF GUIDELINE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO WORK YES. GUIDE, YES. STAFF WOULD'VE TO REVIEW IT. SO IF IT'S MORE THAN 50%, ONE CLARIFICATION, YOUR INTENT TO ALLOW REPLACEMENT WITH INKIND MATERIALS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE PROPOSED PELLET PRODUCT, WOOD AND GLASS. SO YEAH, THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE A REPAIR AS JUST STATED. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE QUESTION FOR STEFAN, JUST CLARIFICATION NOW, W WHEN WE LOOK AT THE INTERIOR PICTURES, IF YOU COULD SHOW AN INTERIOR PICTURE. SO, SO THE, THE SILL, THE INTERIOR SILL AND THE WINDOW TRIM, ALL OF THAT IS TO BE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE PELLET COMES FROM THE OUTSIDE IN, RIGHT? AND THE INTERIOR TRIM BOARD AND ALL OF THAT REMAINS, OR, OR WOULD YOU BE USING NEW, CORRECT. CORRECT. SO WHAT YOU SEE AS FAR AS LIKE THE, THE SASH ITSELF, WHICH HOLDS THE PANE OF GLASS, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEING REPLACED. ALL WOOD TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS, INTERIOR [03:05:01] AND EXTERIOR REMAINS. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. BECAUSE PEOPLE, THEY WATCH IT ON TV, RIGHT? SO THAT THEY SEE THE PICTURE AND THEY CAN UNDERSTAND FOR THEMSELVES AS WHILE I APPRECIATE YOUR CLARIFICATION. SO THE, THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE SO IDENTICAL, UM, THAT YOU REALLY CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE, EXCEPT IN THE FACT THAT IT'S DOUBLE, DOUBLE GLAZED. AND I NEED ANOTHER CLARIFICATION. 'CAUSE MATERIAL IS NOT THE SAME. WELL, THE APPLICANT ALSO REQUESTED REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOW SYSTEMS, NOT OF INDIVIDUAL SASHES. REPLACEMENT OF INDIVIDUAL SASHES IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. WHAT YOU SUBMITTED AS THE PACKET WAS REPLACEMENT OF THE SYSTEMS. THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S THE FULL WINDOW SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD BE THE SASH AND THE FRAME, THE INDIVIDUAL. SO, OKAY, SASH REPLACEMENT, REPLACEMENT OF INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS IS ELIGIBLE FOR STAFF APPROVAL. TRIM WOULD COME OFF, THEY'D PUT THE NEW WINDOW IN, COMPLETE WINDOW SYSTEM, UPPER LOWER SASH, AND THEN TRIM GOES BACK ON. AND THEN TRIM GOES BACK ON UPPER, UPPER AND LOWER SASH. AND THE FRAME. YEAH. IT'S A FULL WINDOW UNIT. YES. AND THE SECOND UNDERSTANDS THAT. JUST SO TO MAKE CLARIFY, CAN WE CLARIFY THAT? SO IN YOUR AMENDMENT, YOU'RE ACCEPTING THE ELEMENT WOOD CLAD. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ALL WOOD. NO, THESE, THESE ARE ALL WOOD. THE ONES THAT WE'RE PRO PROPOSING, IT SAYS FOR SOME REASON IN THE DESCRIPTION IT SAYS CLAD THE, WE ARE WHAT WAS PROPOSED IS FULLY WOOD. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. YOU'RE CLARIFYING. NOT ALL. THERE'S NO PLASTIC, NO METAL. IT'S FULLY WOOD. OKAY. AND I, AND I WOULD ADD THAT TO THE AMENDMENT THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT STIPULA IS. WOOD AND AND GLASS. NO CLAD. SO WE'RE GOOD ON THE MOTION. YOU'RE GOOD ON A SECOND AND HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. DOES A VOTE ON THE AMENDED THE AMENDMENT? THIS IS A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. GIBBS NAYYY CASTILLO. AYE. SINO NAYYY VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MOOKA AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. GROUP. NAY CERVANTES. YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER NAYYY AMENDED. MOTION CARRIES. AMENDED. MOTION CARRIES. SO NOW WE NEED A VOTE TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IF THIS MOTION IS APPROVED, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REPAIRS AS NEEDED. IF HE GETS IN THERE AND FINDS THAT 50% OR MORE OF THE WINDOW COMPONENTS ARE BEYOND REPAIR OR CANNOT BE REPLACED, HE WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO DOCUMENT THAT AND HE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO INSTALL A FULLY WOOD PELLET REPLACEMENT. CORRECT. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. GROUP. NAY CERVANTES. YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER NAY. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN THE WINDOWS. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. AGENDA ITEM 27 I. ITEM 27 ON THE H D R C AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 4 4 8 14 NORTH OLIVE STREET. ITEM A CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A WAIVER PURSUANT TO CITY CODE 35 6 0 8 G. TO ACCEPT AND REVIEW THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED FOR THE REQUEST DESCRIBED BELOW. ITEM B, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND A PREVIOUS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THREE, TWO STORY STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT ADDRESSED. EIGHT 14 NORTH OLIVE FORMERLY ADDRESSED EIGHT 10 NORTH OLIVE SPECIFICALLY TO ONE, MODIFY THE CARPORT DESIGN OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH STRUCTURES TO FEATURE ENTIRELY METAL CANOPIES. TWO. INSTALL FIVE V METAL ROOFING ON ALL THREE STRUCTURES AND THREE, INSTALL ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON ALL THREE STRUCTURES. SO, OH, GIMME ONE SECOND. SORRY, I'M STILL READING IT INTO THE RECORD. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM A CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION 35 6 0 8 G BASED ON FINDINGS C. SHOULD H D R C APPROVE ITEM A STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM B ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CARPORT DESIGN FOR THE NORTH AND SOUTH STRUCTURES THAT FEATURES EXPOSED DRAFT TAILS AND I-BEAMS AS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON ALL THREE STRUCTURES AS NOTED IN FINDING D, THE ROOF SHOULD FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAM THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH. OR STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH PANELS SHOULD [03:10:01] BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION. RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MONTH MUNCH OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION. NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED. AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROOF. PICTURE OF ROOF FORM ARE REQUESTED OR APPROVED AT THIS TIME. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A WINDOW PRODUCT THAT CONFORMS TO STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, NAMELY A HIGH QUALITY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT. AS NOTED IN FINDING E, UM, I HAVE, UM, APPLICANT BRAD CLAWSON HERE IN PERSON AND I THINK A COUPLE OTHERS AS WELL. IF YOU ALL COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AS YOU SPEAK. OKAY. MY NAME IS STEVE GREEN. I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT. UH, I'M A RESIDENT OF THE DIGNITY HILL AREA. I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1963. UM, I'M, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, I'M JUST TRYING TO COMPLETE A PROJECT THAT MY PARENTS HAD AS A, UH, DREAM AND I'M TRYING TO CARRY THAT OUT. UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, GET THIS DONE SO I CAN ALSO BUILD A HOUSE ON THE FRONT LOT. UM, AND WE'RE REQUESTING YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THE, UH, CHANGE IN THE PATIO COVER BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE A KITE THE WAY IT IS. AND WE CLOSED IN THE I-BEAMS, UM, AND WE USED A DIFFERENT MATERIAL ON THE ROOF BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE, UH, H D R C WEBSITE. AND WE WANTED TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE AESTHETICALLY, UH, IN LINE WITH THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE AREA. UM, LIKE I SAY, I, I, I'M NOT A, A BUILDER. I'M, I'M JUST, UH, TRYING TO BUILD THIS PROJECT AND GET IT COMPLETED. UH, IF WE'VE MADE SOME MISSTEPS, I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MISSTEPS, BUT, UH, WE'RE REQUESTING YOUR PERMISSION TO, TO MOVE FORWARD AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDER COULD ANSWER THOSE. THANK YOU. UM, WOULD STAFF CLARIFY THE FIRST ACTION WE NEED TO TAKE ON THE WAIVER? BECAUSE THIS REQUEST WAS DENIED WITHIN A ONE YEAR TIME SPAN, UM, WHAT IS FIRST NEEDED BY THE CODE IS FOR THIS COMMISSION, UM, TO APPROVE A WAIVER TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM WITHIN A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME. UM, AND SO THE CODE DIRECTS YOU TO CONSIDER NEW EVIDENCE THAT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED OR, UM, OR CHANGES TO THE DESIGN. UM, IN THIS CASE, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY MODIFICATIONS TO WHAT IS PROPOSED. IT'S SIMPLY A RECONSIDERATION. UM, SO STAFF IS NOT FINDING THAT THE CODE HAS BEEN SATISFIED, BUT THE COMMISSION IS ABLE TO VOTE BY A MAJORITY OF ITS MEMBERSHIP TO TAKE UP THE ITEM TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING? SO LET'S MOVE ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM FIRST, AND THEN IF THE, UH, ACCEPTANCE OF A WAIVER IS APPROVED, THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE ACTUAL, UM, REQUEST FOR YOUR MATERIAL CHANGES. OKAY. AND OTHER ITEMS. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES, SIR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WAIVER AS PRESENTED IN THE, UH, BY, BY THE APPLICANT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND MOTION, A SECOND DISCUSSION. MR. CHAIR, IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, ACCEPTANCE OF THE WAIVER, UM, CAN THE APPLICANT PROVIDE ANY NEW SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE PROJECT OR THE CHANGES MADE? I THINK THE ENGINEER PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING, REGARDING THE, UH, CARPORT DESIGN, UM, PICTURES OF HOUSES IN THE AREAS. YEAH, I, I'LL LET MY BELL RING REGARDING REGARDING HOW, HOW, HOW RELATE TO GUIDELINES WE, WE CLOSED IN THE I-BEAMS BECAUSE HE FELT THAT ANY, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIAL WIND DRAFT WOULD LIFT IT AND RIP IT OFF THE, THE UNITS. AND HE SAID IT WAS, IT WASN'T, UH, SAFE TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S WHY WE CLOSED IN THE I-BEAMS. I MEAN, IT LOOKS JUST LIKE THE CARPORT THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO US IF WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WRAP IT IN WOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVE US SOME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO CORRECT THAT. BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD GO AHEAD WITH WHAT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, UH, DETERMINED WAS A FLAW IN THE DESIGN. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS WOOD I, AND IT WAS JUST A CHANGE OF MATERIAL AND [03:15:01] WE'RE DOING CARPORTS LEFT AND RIGHT THAT ARE THAT RESIST UPLIFT AND ADDRESS THE STR STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS. SO, UM, IF THE STEEL IS NOT WORKING, WOULD YOU SUBSTITUTE IT WITH WOOD? UM, SO THE STEEL PLEASE YOURSELF? SO, I'M SORRY, MY NAME IS JEFF. I'M HAMPTON. I'M A BUILDER. MM-HMM. , UHHUH . UM, THERE WERE TWO I-BEAMS THAT WENT ACROSS, UH, WIDTHWISE OF THE CARPORT AND THE ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEER BASICALLY WANTED US TO DO A CROSS MEMBER TWO BY FOUR SYSTEM OVER THE TOP OF IT. UH, ONCE, ONCE MY INSTALLER REALIZED THAT WE COULDN'T SECURE IT PROPERLY, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE A MEMBER AT THE END OF THE CARPORT, WE ONLY HAVE THEM IN THE CENTERS, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SECURE IT PROPERLY MM-HMM. TO WITHSTAND THE WINDS. SO WHEN WE PRESENTED IT BACK TO THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, HE, HE GRANTED US THE, UH, A NEW DESIGN. AND AGAIN, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE WHEEL HERE. WE REALLY JUST WANT TO, HONESTLY, WE JUST WANT TO APPEASE EVERYTHING WITHOUT CAUSING A STRUCTURAL ISSUE WITH THE CARPORT. SO THAT I UNDERSTAND. WAS THAT CHANGE DONE PREVIOUS TO YOUR LAST HEARING? NO, MA'AM. THIS IS DONE BETWEEN YOUR LAST HEARING AND NOW THAT THE ENGINEER CAME THROUGH, ASSESSED THE PROJECT AND SUGGESTED YOU ADD MORE STEEL? NO, MA'AM. NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED. OKAY. WE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR CONSIDER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CLEARLY MADE OUR POINT UHHUH, SO NOTHING HAS CHANGED. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. YES, MA'AM. NO, NOTHING HAS CHANGED. I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE NEW INFORMATION OR A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN ORDER TO GRANT THAT WAIVER. IF NOTHING HAS CHANGED, THEN I PERSONALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WAIVER IS IN, IN ORDER. MR. CHAIR, ACCORDING, MAYBE I'LL HOLD THE APPLICANT A LITTLE BIT. UM, ACCORDING TO WHAT I WAS READING ON THE, UM, IN THE PACKAGES, YOUR WAIVER IS BASED ON THE WINDOW REQUEST. THAT WAS WHERE THE WAIVER IS ASKED FOR, LIKE THE WAIVER IS BECAUSE YOU FELT LIKE, I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE A DENIAL OR SOMETHING MM-HMM. AND THEN YOU WANNA COME BACK AND CORRECT. REFUTE OUR DENIAL OR, OR WHATEVER THE VOTE DIDN'T PASS. YEAH. SO IT'S MORE BASED ON THE WINDOWS AND THE COURT BOARD BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS AMEND THE DESIGN BASED ON NEEDS AND ALL THAT. MM-HMM. . BUT I THINK THE WAIVER, AM I CORRECT ON THIS? THE WAIVER IS BASED ON THE WINDOW REQUESTS. THE WAIVER IS BASED ON ALL THREE AMENDMENTS TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN. SO IT'S THE WINDOWS, THE CARPORT DESIGN AND THE ROOF. AND WHY, SO WHY DO YOU SAY THERE'S NOT ENOUGH? BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY NEW EVIDENCE SINCE THE LAST HEARING. AND THAT ACTUALLY, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE WINDOWS, WE DID, UM, I PROVIDED A LOT OF, UM, AND SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS A BIT OF INFORMATION WHEN IT CAME TO THE ROOF AS WELL. UM, SO I HAD JUST A PRINTOUT LAST TIME WHEN WE CAME, WHEN IT SHOWS ON YOUR, ON YOUR HISTORIC WEBSITE, UM, THAT THE ROOF THAT WE DID INSTALL BE IT, THAT IT DID DIFFER FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, IS ACTUALLY APPROVED ON THE HISTORIC WEBSITE. UM, I KNOW IT GOT BROUGHT UP LAST TIME THAT THAT WASN'T THE INTENT, THAT THE, WHAT THE HISTORIC WEBSITE SAID. UM, BUT THERE IS NO INDICATION ON THE HISTORIC WEBSITE THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT. IT SAYS THAT THAT ROOF RIGHT THERE IN THAT PICTURE WHERE IT SAYS THAT, IT SAYS THE ACCEPTABLE V GROOVE ROOF WITH EXTERNAL FASTENERS, AND THAT IS THE ROOF THAT IS CURRENTLY INSTALLED ON THAT. SO THAT IS WHY THAT WE PRESENTED THIS AS NEW EV EVIDENCE. AND THEN WHEN IT CAME TO THE WINDOWS, UM, THERE IS AT LEAST 10, AT LEAST 10 PROJECTS THAT ARE NEW BUILD PROJECTS. UM, SOME OF 'EM ARE TERRAMARK PROJECTS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN, I GUESS, APPROVED WITH Y'ALL, UM, THAT HAVE ALL ALUMINUM WINDOWS. UM, AND SO THAT WAS THE NEW EVIDENCE THAT WE PRESENTED THAT WASN'T PRESENTED IN THE PAST. SO YES, THERE IS NEW EVIDENCE. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE WAIVER? UM, I HAVE ANOTHER, I MEAN, IF I MAY, MR. ANY OTHER, WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION DISCUSSION. YEAH, I WAS CHECKING TO SEE IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAD QUESTIONS AND THEY DON'T. SO COMMISSIONER GROUP. WELL, SO THOSE WINDOWS, WHAT'S THE REASON OF WHY YOU WANNA CHANGE THE WINDOWS? I HAVE NEVER BEEN AS SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE, UM, WINDOWS THAT WERE USED ON TERRAMARK AND ON THE OTHER, UM, PROPERTIES AND OLIVE. YEAH. SO, UM, HONESTLY, IN, IN THE, IN THE WHOLE OF IT, IT CAME DOWN TO A BUDGETARY ISSUE. UH, WHEN IT CAME TO THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE. UM, WE'VE BEEN ROCKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A WHILE, UM, AND WE'RE JUST, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BIG TIME DEVELOPERS. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE. UM, AND WE'RE GETTING DOWN, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CLOSE, HONESTLY, TO THE END OF IT. UM, SO IT DID COME DOWN TO A BUDGETARY ISSUES. [03:20:01] UM, WE DID, YOU KNOW, LIKE I, AND IT CAME TO THE CASE OF SEEING THOSE ON THOSE OTHER PROJECTS. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THOSE COME IN AS YOU KNOW, OF COURSE A LOWER PRICE POINT. UM, BUT BEING THAT THOSE WERE IN A HISTORIC AREA, UM, THAT IS WHY WE SUGGESTED THOSE, BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS ON THESE TERRAMARK HOMES AND OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA WERE, YOU KNOW, APPARENTLY APPROVED. UM, AND SO THAT IS WHY WE BROUGHT THAT TO THE TABLE AND, AND DECIDED TO GO, UH, WITH THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS INSTEAD. THIS QUESTION, DO THE DIMENSIONS OF THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS MATCH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES? YES. YES. AND I'VE, AND AND SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I'VE, I'VE ALSO, I'VE, I'VE INSTALLED, 'CAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST TWO INCHES OR SO FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE EDGE. I'VE INSTALLED ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON A HISTORIC PROJECT BEFORE THAT I HAD TO COME AND, YOU KNOW, AND DO THIS, THIS SAME, UH, SITUATION. UM, SO IT WILL GO ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES OF INSTALLATION METHODS WHEN IT COMES TO THE TRIM, WHEN IT COMES TO EVERYTHING ELSE, IT WOULD LITERALLY JUST BE THE CHANGEOVER FROM ALUMINUM, UH, FROM THE WOOD CLOUD, ALUMINUM TO ALUMINUM WINDOWS. OKAY. SO THE DETAILS THAT ARE SHOWN ON SHEET A NINE 10, WHICH DOESN'T SHOW THE RECESSED FRAMES AND SASHES, THESE WILL BE MODIFIED TO MEET THE GUIDELINES. THEY'LL MEET THE GUIDELINES, YES, SIR. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YES, MR. GIBBS. SO MY QUESTION, UM, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THEN FOR THE APPLICANT. SO, UM, SINCE ONE YEAR HAS NOT PASSED BY YET, UM, HOW MUCH TIME, HOW MUCH MORE TIME IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO FOR A YEAR FOR THEM? LEMME DOUBLE CHECK THE LAST DATE BEFORE I TELL YOU. 19TH, I THINK WAIT A YEAR TO, YEAH. JULY 19TH. SO A YEAR FROM JULY 19TH. JULY, 2024. GOTCHA. SO, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING HERE. I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE I MISREAD THAT. SO, SO THAT BEING SAID, AND SO TO THE APPLICANTS NOW, I'M NOT HEARING ANY SIGNIFICANT NEW INFORMATION HERE. SO I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE CHAIR MARK AND THE WINDOWS THERE, AND YOU LOOKED AT THOSE AND, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT HERE. SO AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE OR IT'S, IT IS NOT THAT YOU'RE MISSING IT, IT'S JUST THAT WE, WE PRESENTED NEW INFORMATION AND HONESTLY WE FELT THAT WE WERE UNFAIRLY HEARD LAST TIME. UM, WITH, WITH ALL THOSE HOMES THAT ARE LITERALLY LESS THAN A BLOCK AWAY, UM, WHEN IT CAME TO THE, TO THE WINDOWS THAT THEY GOT THOSE APPROVED. UM, AND WE KIND OF FELT LIKE WE WERE UNFAIRLY TREATED WHEN WE CAME HERE, SO WE WANTED TO PRESENT IT BACK. AND SAME THING WITH THE, UH, WITH THE ROOF THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE HOME THAT IS WITH A PICTURE ON THE WEBSITE, ON THE HISTORIC SITE. SO, AND THEN, SO WE'RE JUST, WE REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, UH, WHY WE WERE UNFAIRLY TREATED LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. SO WE WANTED TO COME BACK AND PLEAD OUR CASE AGAIN, UH, WITH NEW EVIDENCE, AS YOU CAN SEE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET TO PRESENT THAT LAST TIME. I MEAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU, SIR, AS NOT BEING A DEVELOPER. I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A CONSTRUCTION LOAN THAT'S COMING DUE AT THE END OF IT, AND I CAN'T AFFORD TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR TO PRESENT THIS. I MEAN, I'D, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME TYPE OF SUGGESTIONS FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD SO WE CAN, I CAN GET THIS PROJECT COMPLETED, YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINA. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD FOR CLARIFICATION THAT YOU WERE NOT FAIRLY TREATED. EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT IN EVERY SETTING. SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS WERE APPROVED YEARS AGO, YEARS AGO, AND NOT ONLY WERE THERE DIFFERENT STAFF THAT, UM, THEY ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT, BUT THE COMMISSION IS DIFFERENT. IT'S MADE UP OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, SO STAFF MAY RECOMMEND OR NOT, BUT IT'S ALSO WORKING WITH THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMMISSION. SO, UM, WE DO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT CASES COME BEFORE US, UH, AND WE CONSIDER 'EM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. OKAY. JUST WELL AT, SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY TREATED HERE, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. UM, I, I, UM, UH, LISTENING TO THE APPLICANTS AND, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT AND RESPECTFUL OF ANY COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS OR DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS OR, OR COMMISSIONER THAT MAY HAVE VOTED AGAINST SOMETHING, A COMMISSIONER THAT MAY HAVE VOTED PRO SOMETHING, AT THE END OF THE DAY, AT THE END OF, AT THE END OF A SESSION, OUR VOTE IS THE ONLY THING THAT EXISTS. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE UNIFIED IN OUR PARTICIPATION UNDER ONE SINGLE DECISION THAT WAS MADE. WHAT, WHAT THESE GENTLEMEN BRING BEFORE US, THE TAR, THE TERRAMARK PROJECTS. AND WE ALL KNOW THE, THE HARD WORK THAT WE DO WITH THE PEOPLE OF TERRAMARK TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT SOLUTIONS. I MEAN, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ONE CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEY HAVEN'T [03:25:01] HAD TO COME BACK AND BACK AND BACK AND, AND WE TWEAK AND TWEAK AND TWEAK TILL WE GET TO A POINT WHERE IF WE LOOK AT THESE PICTURES THAT ARE BEING GIVEN TO US, THEY DO REPRESENT MANY COMMISSIONS MAKING SEVERAL DECISIONS TO SAY THAT WE'VE, WE'VE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT BECOME THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS NEW COMMUNITY BECAUSE THESE ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION STRUCTURES. UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A PICTURE ON PAGE 15, IF STAFF COULD GO TO THAT, THAT, THAT CLEARLY SHOWS A, UM, UH, ARTIFICIAL FALSE LIGHTS. AND THEN THERE'S A, A MUCH BETTER IMAGE IF YOU GO TO PAGE 18, THAT SHOWS JUST BY REMOVING THOSE ARTIFICIAL LIGHTS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT ALUMINUM WINDOW IN A NEW STRUCTURE. AND, AND, AND THAT IS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING, UH, THE, THE SPIRIT OF, OF THE OUTCOME THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET. I THINK THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE BRINGING FORTH IS, IS, IS VALID IN THAT PERHAPS THEY DIDN'T, THEY, THEY DON'T, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD BE GIVING THEM CONSULTATION ON BOTH SIDES, NOT JUST ON THE SIDE OF WHAT WE WANT, BUT ON THE SIDE OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE MOUTHS. SO THEY DON'T STAND UP AND SAY, HEY, LOOK AT ME. BUT, BUT IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THEIR NEW EVIDENCE TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT YES, MAYBE WE DIDN'T PROVIDE THEM WITH GUIDANCE THAT SENDS THEM IN A DIRECTION THAT IS A FACT, WHILE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY CONVENIENT FOR OUR OPINIONS. SO I I, I APPLAUD THEM FOR, FOR COMING. AND THIS GENTLEMAN THAT IS, IS REALLY AT THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, TRYING TO GET INTO THE HOUSE. YEAH. THAT'S ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS WHEN IT COMES, UH, UH, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THEY'RE WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO. AND SURELY OUR, OUR OBJECTIVE HAS TO BE THE HUMAN AS WELL. UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. YES. SO STEPH, YOU'VE, YOU, IF THEY WERE TO COME WITH A WINDOW THAT IS, YOU KNOW, CONFORMS WITH OUR GUIDELINES AND THE MEASUREMENTS AND EVERYTHING, THEN WE DON'T NEED A WAIVER, RIGHT? THEY CAN CHANGE THAT WITHOUT A WAIVER. YES. BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'D BE A CONFORMING WINDOW. YEAH. SO IF, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR WINDOW THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOLLOWS THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT FALLS IN THE WAIVER. YOU CAN STILL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. AND THEN IF THE, THE ROOF FOLLOWS, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE LOOKING AT THE STIPULATIONS FROM LAST TIME MM-HMM. , WITHOUT MAKING ANY CHANGES, YOU CAN ALSO GET A ROOF APPROVED AS LONG AS IT IS CONFORMING WITH THE 18 TO 21 INCHES AND ALL THAT. RIGHT. WHICH IT IS. SO, I MEAN, IF YOU CAN JUSTIFY AND SHOW STAFF THAT IT'S EXACTLY, THAT THEY DO A ROOF INSPECTION, THEN I DON'T SEE WHY THOSE TWO ITEMS CAN'T BE A APPROVED. UM, IF YOU CAN SHOW, LIKE LITERALLY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE TWO COMMISSION ACTIONS THAT WE DID LAST TIME. THE CARPORT, YES. THAT'S A COMPLETE CHANGE OF DESIGN. SO, I MEAN, MAYBE THEY JUST WANNA WITHDRAW AND TRY WITH THOSE TWO, OR DO YOU REALLY WANNA KEEP FIGHTING? I MEAN, IF, IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT GOT, WE GOT SENT THIS WAY, UM, SO DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS EVEN AN OPTION. UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT GOT PRESENTED AGAIN AND WE CAME BACK UP. SO I THINK I MISSPOKE. LET ME CLARIFY. SO THE ALUMINUM CLAD PRODUCT CONFORMS TO, TO STAFF SPECIFICATIONS OR STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS RATHER, UM, FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD. UM, AN ALUMINUM PRODUCT, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS HEARING, YOU GUYS STIPULATED, UH, WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO SPECIFY A FULLY ALUMINUM PRODUCT THAT OTHERWISE CONFORMS, UH, WITH LIKE DEPTH AND, YOU KNOW, DIMENSIONS AND WHATNOT. MR. CHAIR, OH, THAT'S, NO, NO. THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A WINDOW PRODUCT THAT CONFIRMS THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, NAMELY A HIGH QUALITY WOOD OIL. I, I DON'T SEE WHY WE, I MEAN, WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT AS LONG AS IT MATCHES AND MEASUREMENTS IF, IF WOOD OR ALUMINUM PAD WOULD, BUT A FULLY ALUMINUM WINDOW WOULD HAVE TO BE SPECIFICALLY APPROVED. IS IT REALLY NAMELY, DOES THAT MEAN LIKE, THAT HAS TO BE NO, I DON'T THINK WE'VE ALWAYS, NO, BUT WE, THE COMMISSION REVIEWS 'EM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, AND USUALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC WINDOW PRODUCT, AND SO YOU HAVE ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS AND YOU CAN GIVE THAT DIRECTION TO STAFF AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE STIPULATION. SO WE, WE PROVIDE THAT, THAT LANGUAGE IS FROM THE WINDOW POLICY DOCUMENT. IT'S JUST GENERAL GUIDANCE. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT EVERY ALUMINUM WINDOW IS GOING TO MEET IT. UM, WE HAVE TO REVIEW EACH ONE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE SPECIFICATIONS. MR CHAIR IN, IN THE INTEREST OF PROCESS, PERHAPS IT'S, IT IT'S SIMPLEST TO ALLOW THE WAIVER TO BE VOTED ON. IF IT'S VOTED IN IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THEN WE CAN TAKE THE SAME VOTE, BUT THAT WAY WE DON'T LOSE THAT STEP. THAT MIGHT MATTER IN FURTHER IN FUTURE CASES. OKAY. POINT TAKEN. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ON THE WAIVER, MR. CHAIR, BEFORE WE TAKE THAT VOTE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I WANNA BE CLEAR. SO WE'RE VOTING TO APPROVE OR [03:30:01] TO APPROVE THIS WAIVER SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE WAIVER SO THAT THEN WE, IF IT PASSES, THEN WE WILL CONSIDER THE, UH, PROPOSAL. IT'S THE WAIVER OF THE ONE YEAR REQUIREMENT. UH, EXCUSE ME FURTHER CLARIFICATION. THE VOTE WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE WAIVER, EVEN THOUGH THE WINDOWS IN THE ROOF AS THEY HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED OR ENDORSED BY THE GUIDELINES, UM, WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE ANYWAY. RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE ALREADY GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD TO GO IF YOU AGREE TO THOSE TWO ITEMS. OKAY. CORRECT? YES. AND WERE THOSE WITHIN YOUR YEAH. CAPACITY OR YOUR, YEAH, AND, AND AGAIN, WE WERE NEVER, WE WERE NEVER DIRECTED IN THAT EVEN BEING AN OPTION. OKAY. UM, SO WE NEVER KNEW. SO THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. IT MAY NOT BE THAT YOU CAME WITH THE RIGHT WINDOW. IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU'RE JUST NOT EXACTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WINDOW WITH THE DETAILS, BUT JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN WE APPROVE A WAIVER, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT, IS THERE HAS TO BE ENOUGH SUBSTANTIAL PROOF THAT THERE'S BEEN, THAT THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE RIGHT NOW ARE DISCUSSING THIS. IS THIS ENOUGH SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO GO FOR A WAIVER? MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY CONCERN IS THAT IF STAFF HAS A RECORD THAT SAYS THAT A WAIVER WAS REQUIRED, IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING TO VOTE ON THE WAIVER. PARTICULARLY IF, IF WE GET THE SENSE THAT IT'S IN AN AFFIRMATIVE ALREADY. BECAUSE IF IT'S ON THE RECORD, THEN TECHNICALLY IT'S, IT'S IN THE RECORD TO NEED A WAIVER. IT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE OUTCOME. SHOULD THIS, THIS, THE, THE SECOND MOTION, UH, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE TO APPROVE A SUBMITTED OR ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY, IT JUST ALLOWS YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON YES. THESE ITEMS. THAT, THAT'S WHAT MY POINT IS. SO ENOUGH DISCUSSION, A VOTE ROLL CALL VOTE ON APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER. GIBBS NAY CASTILLO AYE. SAVINO NAYYY VELASQUEZ AYE. ZUKA AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. NAY CERVANTES. YES. HOLLAND NAY. AND FETZER NAYYY. SO THAT ITEM REQUIRED NINE VOTES TO PASS, AND SO IT DOES NOT PASS. UM, AND SO THERE'S NO FURTHER ACTION YOU DID ON THIS CASE TODAY. UM, BUT TO CLARIFY TO THE APPLICANT, YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO PRESENT WINDOWS AND ROOFING MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS STIPULATIONS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE BASED ON THIS OUTCOME WOULD BE THE MATERIAL FOR THE CARPORT. SO WHAT, WHAT DID YOU ALL, WHAT DO YOU ALL SUGGEST WE DO FOR THE CARPORT? I MEAN, CAN WE, YOU KNOW, WRAP THE CARPORT AND I'D SAY GET WITH STAFF AND, UM, WORK WITH THEM. AND THEN IF, UM, YOU STILL NEED FURTHER CLARIFICATION, YOU CAN REQUEST A, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THEN, UH, SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL MEET WITH YOU INFORMALLY, UH, BY ZOOM AND WE CAN DISCUSS, UH, MATERIALS AND, AND CHANGES LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, OKAY. I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT YOU, UM, ALREADY HAVE A COMMISSION ACTION, UH, SUGGESTING APPROVAL OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CARPORT DESIGN. SO THAT'S AN OPTION AS WELL. OKAY? OKAY. OKAY. AND ONE COMPELLING THING MIGHT BE, UH, AND THAT, THAT WAS FOR A WOOD FRAME, I WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT THE LAST SET OF PLANS THAT THEY SUBMITTED. SO, SORRY, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WELL, IF YOU WORK WITH STAFF AND, UH, THEY'LL CLARIFY ON, UH, NEXT STEPS FOR YOU. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS REQUEST A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, WITH, UH, CERTAIN OF THE COMMISSIONERS. OKAY, SIR. AND MR. CHAIR, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT ST STAFF, I THINK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEY PRESENTED, UM, THAT TESTIMONY THAT THEY HAVE AN ENGINEER THAT SAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET IN A KITE SCENARIO. I DID NOT RECEIVE THAT FROM THE APPLICANTS, RIGHT? NO, NO, BUT THEY SAID IT HERE IN THIS HEARING. SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THEY DO THE SAME, THEN, THEN YOU'RE IN CONFLICT WITH THEIR, WITH, WITH WHAT THEY SAID. SO IT MIGHT BE BEST THAT, THAT YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT THEY DO WHAT THEIR ENGINEER SAID NOT TO DO. UH, IF IT'S A MATTER OF COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION, THEN YOU'D COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH YOUR ALTERNATE DESIGN BASED ON WHATEVER YOUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IS TELLING YOU. MM-HMM. . BUT MOST DEFINITELY, I DON'T THINK THAT THE COMMISSION OR STAFF WANTS TO GIVE YOU ADVICE CONTRARY TO WHAT YOUR ENGINEERS TELLING YOU, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO UPLIFT. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. YEAH, THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 28. [03:35:07] ITEM 28 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 3 7 4 19 WIX. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE PLINTS FOUND ON EACH SIDE OF THE FRONT STEPS TO INSTALL A HANDRAIL AND POST ON THE FRONT PORCH. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, REMOVAL OF THE PLINTS FOUND ON EACH SIDE OF THE FRONT STEPS BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PLINTS BE RECONSTRUCTED BASED ON IMAGES AVAILABLE FROM THE HOUSE OF THE HOUSE FROM CIRCA OCTOBER, 2007 UNTIL CIRCA JULY, 2014. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SIMPLIFIED RAILING DESIGN THAT REMOVES THE POSTS THAT RUN FROM THE PORCH KNEE WALLS TO THE PORCH CEILING. UM, THE OWNER, JAKE WILLIAMS, IS JOINING US REMOTELY VIA WEBEX. UM, THERE'S ONE LETTER ON FILE, BUT NO VOICEMAILS. UM, JACOB, IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YES, I'M, I'M HERE, UH, VIA WEBEX. UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. UM, SO, SO I'M THE HOMEOWNER. WE PURCHASED THIS HOME BACK IN DECEMBER. UM, IT'S BEEN A COMPLETE REHAB, UM, YOU KNOW, LEVELED REPU REWIRED, UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE NEARLY FINISHED. UM, NOW THE, THE THINGS OF CONCERN IN THIS MEETING ARE THE PLINTS THAT SURROUNDED THE PORCH STEPS, AND THEN THE HAND RAILINGS, WHICH WERE INSTALLED, UM, BY A, A CARPENTER WE WERE WORKING WITH. SO FIRST I WANNA APOLOGIZE FOR NOT, UM, SEEKING APPROVAL BEFOREHAND. UM, I'VE SPOKE WITH WHOEVER WAS MANAGING MY CASE, UH, BRIAN MORALES. UM, AND I'M MUCH MORE INFORMED ABOUT THE, THE PROCESS NOW. SO ADMITTEDLY, UM, THE HANDRAILS WERE INSTALLED, UH, WITHOUT APPROVAL. UM, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVED A STOP WORK ORDER A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND, UM, OF COURSE, NO, NO OTHER WORK HAS BEEN DONE, UM, IN, IN REGARD TO THAT. SO I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH REMOVING THE POST, UM, THE, THE TOP POSTS THAT SUPPORT THE, THE UPPER MEMBER OF THE HANDRAIL. UM, SO I AM WILLING TO SHORTEN THEM IF THE COMMISSION'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT ONE CONCERN THAT I AND THE CONTRACTOR HAD. SO THE FRONT PORCH, IT'S, UM, YOU, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A BIG OVERHANG THAT'S A 26 FOOT SPAN BEAM, UM, THAT'S OTHERWISE UNSUPPORTED IN ITS CENTER. UM, NOW AGAIN, THE, THE CONTRACTOR RECOMMENDED INSTALLATION OF THOSE POSTS RUNNING FROM THE, THE PORCH BASE TO THAT BEAM, UM, FOR ADDITIONAL SUPPORT. UM, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN IN REMOVING THEM. UM, AGAIN, I I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING SO, BUT, UM, I JUST AM CURIOUS WHAT EVERYONE THINKS ABOUT THAT. AND THEN SECOND, THE POINTS THAT SURROUNDED THE HOUSE. SO, UM, THOSE WEREN'T NECESSARILY INTENTIONALLY REMOVED. UM, WHAT WAS THERE WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE? UH, THERE WAS A, A RECONSTRUCTED POINT THAT WAS, UM, PAINTED. YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE HAD BEEN ALSO RECONSTRUCTED, BUT, UM, BUT NOT PAINTED. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE REASON THEY WERE REMOVED, UM, IT WAS A STORM THAT THAT ACTUALLY BLEW ONE OF THEM OVER, UH, DURING CONSTRUCTION, WE WERE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH, UM, WHILE THERE WERE ANIMALS GETTING IN THE HOUSE, THERE WERE, UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF BREAK-INS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRIED TO LITERALLY THE HOUSE FROM, FROM EVERY ANGLE POSSIBLE. SO, UH, AGAIN, UM, THAT AREA WHICH WAS ACCESS TO THE CRAWL SPACE WAS, WAS JUST COVERED. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POINTS WEREN'T REPLACED. SO, SO AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM REPLACING THEM IF IT IS NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOME. I WOULD JUST LIKE GUIDANCE ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HEIGHT, HOW FAR THEY SHOULD EXTEND, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY SHOULD BE TRIMMED AND WHATNOT. UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATION ON THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT. OH, WOW. I, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT PHOTO. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ANYWAY, I'M, I'M DONE. QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER HALL TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T, IT SOUNDS [03:40:01] LIKE YOU DON'T TAKE EXCEPTION TO, I'M SORRY, QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE ANY, DO YOU TAKE EXCEPTION TO REPLACING THE PLINTS AND, AND PUTTING THEM BACK, UH, IN THE SIMILAR MANNER AS THE PHOTO ON THE SCREEN? SO, UM, OKAY, SO THIS PHOTO HELPS. I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THIS PHOTO. I DON'T HAVE OBJECTION NOW. YOU KNOW, THE HANDRAILS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. I, I, I, ARE YOU OKAY WITH ME KEEPING THOSE IN PLACE? TO ME, THAT'S A, A SAFETY FEATURE. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, IS THAT OKAY TO KEEP THEM? I WOULD, I WOULD DEFER TO STAFF ON THIS. UM, AND, AND REMOVE, REMOVE THE HANDRAIL AND THE, THE FOUR BY FOURS AND RESTORE THE PLINTHS. WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THE RETENTION OF THE HANDRAILS? WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING ESSENTIALLY THAT HE MIMIC THE, THE SORT OF GROUND LEVEL POSTS AND CAPS AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS. IT'S THAT CONTINUOUS POST FROM THE KNEE WALL TO THE CEILING THAT, UM, DOESN'T CONFORM TO THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE. YES, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT. ARE YOU ABLE TO SEND ME, I I NEVER HAD A, WELL, I GUESS I'M, I'M SURE YOU OBTAINED THAT PHOTO FROM GOOGLE MAPS, BUT IF YOU, UM, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SEND THAT TO ME OR IF TELL, IF YOU CAN TELL ME HOW TO ACCESS IT, I'D BE HAPPY TO RECONSTRUCT THE POINTS, UM, IN THAT FASHION. SIMILAR HEIGHT EXTENSION WITH THE, THE CEDAR SHIM, UM, THE, THE CEDAR SHIM SIDING THAT MIMICS THE REST OF THE, THE SKIRTING AROUND THE HOUSE. I'M GLAD TO DO THAT. OKAY. YEAH. QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. THE, THE, THE, UM, THE, THE, UH, BEAM WAS THERE EVIDENCE OF IT FAILING? SO, SO THE CONTRACTOR, UH, PER THE CONTRACTOR, AGAIN, FROM THAT PICTURE, YOU CAN'T TELL, BUT YES, HE SAID THAT THERE WAS EVIDENCE OF SAG, SO HE DIDN'T TELL ME HOW MUCH HE DIDN'T. UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER LETTER TO SUPPORT THAT. UM, BUT IT HAD, IT WAS SAGGING. ALL OF THE, UM, UH, ALL OF THE PANELS ON THE ROOF OF THE PORCH WERE ALSO FALLING DOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RELATED, BUT THOSE WERE REATTACHED. UM, SO, SO AGAIN, NO, UM, NOTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE CONTRACTOR TOLD ME. OKAY. AND THEN ONE OF THE, FROM THAT UHHUH , GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. WELL JUST, NO, GO AHEAD. JUST ONE OTHER THING. IF, IF YOU PUT THE PLINTH BACK AND REMOVE THE HANDRAILS, WOULD IT ACHIEVE THE SAME, UH, OBJECTIVE FOR YOU IF YOU, UH, IF IT WAS SUGGESTED OR IF, IF YOU CONSIDER PUTTING A, A, A HANDRAIL DOWN THE MIDDLE AS OPPOSED TO ON THE SIDES? I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT STAFF'S NOT REQUESTING THAT THEY REMOVE THE HANDRAIL ENTIRELY. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M JUST, IT'S JUST THAT IF YOU, YOU REMOVE THE POST, YOU CUT THE POST DOWN, NOW YOU HAVE THIS, UH, KIND OF OTHER CONTRADICTION THAT YOU'VE CREATED. RIGHT? AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE YELLOW BUILDING AND YOU SEE THE WIDTH AND YOU IMAGINE A WELL, UH, UM, ANCHORED RAIL DOWN THE CENTER, YOU WOULD COMPLETELY PRESERVE THE AESTHETIC LOOK AND YOU'D GET THE A D A OR THE WHATEVER. IT'S THAT YOU NEED TO HELP YOURSELF UP THE STAIRS. SO THE QUESTION IS, PARTICULARLY LOOKING AT THE YELLOW PICTURE, UH, WELL, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER A RAIL DOWN THE CENTER AS OPPOSED TO ON THE SIDES? MY, MY, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT LOOK BETTER WITH NO RAIL AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, NO, I, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THAT LOOKS AT ALL, AND I THINK IT, IT'S DISTRACTING. OKAY. BUT, BUT I'M NO EXPERT. OH, I GOT, I GOT YOU. JUST A, JUST A LEADING, LEADING THE HORSE, I THINK THEY SAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. OH YEAH. UHHUH, . OTHER QUESTIONS? MS. MR. CHAIR? DO I MAKE A MOTION? YES. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, CAN WE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO, UH, RECONSTRUCT THE PLINTS, UH, BASED ON IMAGES AVAILABLE FROM THE HOUSE? SECOND? YES. HA, HAPPY TO DO THAT. SECOND, AND THE, THE APPLICATION INCLUDED THE, UH, THE POSTS SUPPORTING THE BEAM CORRECT. IN REMOVAL, IN REMOVAL OF THE POSTS. SECOND OR FOLLOW MOTION. AND SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? UM, [03:45:01] I KNOW THIS INFORMATION IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT THAT WE'RE 99% SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT A TRUSS UP THERE. AND SO IF THEY'RE SAGGING, YOU PROBABLY JUST NEED TO PIN THE TRUSS IN A VIEW PLACES AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR. SURE, SURE. SO DOES THAT MOTION INCLUDE, UH, KEEPING THE BANISTERS INSIDE OR REMOVING IT? I, I DIDN'T STIPULATE. UM, I REALLY WAS MORE CONCERNED WITH THE PLINTH AND REMOVAL OF THE POSTS YOU MAYBE AMEND WITH. YEAH, AMEND, AMEND WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, PROPOSING A SIMPLIFIED RAILING DESIGN, REMOVING POSTS THAT RUN FROM THE PORCH KNEE WALLS TO THE PORCH CEILING. OKAY. AND THE SECOND CONCURS, I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHAT THE, I, I'LL CONCUR. I I WILL CONCUR. BUT I, I'M, I'M GONNA BE HONEST, I CAN'T VISUALIZE WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE, THE, THE MOTION IS TO REMOVE, IS TO REMOVE THE FOUR BY FOUR POSTS AND, AND SIMPLIFY THE RAILING, WHICH WOULD REALLY BE TO THE APPLICANT'S DISCRETION. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PORTION OF IT IS REBUILD THE PTH AND, AND REMOVE THE FOUR BY FOUR. UH, I, I'M, I'M GOING KEEP THIS SECOND. YEAH, ONE SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. MOOKA? AYE. GIDA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 29. ONE MORE QUESTION. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SO DO I NEED TO SUBMIT ANY, ANY SORT OF DESIGN OR JUST, UM, CONSTRUCT IT AS IT WAS IN THE PICTURE FROM 2007 AND I DON'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL APPROVAL? UM, JESSICA WILL ISSUE A COMMISSION ACTION LETTER TO YOU, UM, AND SHE'LL, UH, WORK WITH YOU ON ANY, UH, NEXT STEPS. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. YEP. AGENDA ITEM 29. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 29 WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT EARLIER TODAY. AGENDA ITEM 30, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 30 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 0 5 4 21 SPOFFORD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A CARPORT AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. TWO, INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THE REAR CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND CURB CUT CONNECTED TO KALITA STREET. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT USE SIX BY SIX WOOD POSTS RATHER THAN THE PROPOSED FOUR BY FOUR WOOD POSTS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E, CONSISTENT WITH THEIR PREVIOUS H D R C DECISION ON MAY 1ST, 2019. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY AND CURB CUT CONFIGURATION THE APPLICANT, UH, SHUT. UM, SHA PATEL IS HERE IN PERSON. HI, AND, AND I'M BLAKE BRADER. WE ARE THE CO-OWNERS AND CO-APPLICANT OF THIS HOUSE. UM, 4 21 SPOFFORD IS OUR HOME, AND WE, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC HOME AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE STEWARDS OF THIS HOME AND PRIVILEGED TO LIVE IN THIS HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WITH THAT SAID, UM, THE KALITA ALLEY, IF YOU WILL, IS A, IS A VERY LONG STREET, AND WE JUST WANT TO WIDEN THE GATE THERE AND CONVERT IT TO A SLIDING GATE SO THAT IT'S MORE SECURE AND DOESN'T OPEN INTO THE STREET, UH, AND, AND PROVIDE SOME MORE SECURITY TO US AS IT IS, UH, OFTEN FILLED WITH, UM, A VAGRANT ACTIVITY. THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A SHOOTING JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KALITA, UH, ON SUNDAY EVENING. UM, AND SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF ESSENTIALLY, UH, PULLING IN AND SEPARATING HERE, REDUCE THE AREA ON WHICH CARS ARE ACTUALLY PARKED AND PULLED IN NEXT TO EACH OTHER, UH, UNDER WHAT IS JUST AN EXTENSION OF THAT CARPORT, UH, AND NOT A NEW, YOU KNOW, TO MATCH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND, AND WIDEN THE DRIVE TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE TWO SIDE-BY-SIDE CARS THERE. UM, THIS IS ALSO IN CONSIDERATION OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW. IT'S A, UH, UNDER A LOT OF TRANSFORMATION WITH, [03:50:01] UM, UH, A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY, UH, GOING UP ALL AROUND US. THE, THE PERSONNEL ON BASE FLOOD THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH CARS, UH, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, UH, ALMOST AT ALL HOURS. SO IT REALLY IS PROVIDING US MORE OF, UH, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF OUR PROPERTY TO THE WAY WE, UH, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IT, HAVE IT KIND OF SET UP. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A WONKY, UH, WAY TO PARK AND REVERSE INTO THE STREET. UH, AND I DID PROVIDE, UM, A, A SAMPLE ADDENDUM, UH, WITH A FEW EXHIBITS THAT HELPS FURTHER ILLUSTRATE MY, MY POINT. UM, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT THIS IS A PART OF THE LATE SUBMISSIONS, UM, OR IN A PART OF THE LATE SUBMISSIONS. YEAH, I WROTE IT ON FRIDAY. TURNED IT IN YESTERDAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, UH, ANYWAY, EXHIBIT B, WHICH IS THE SECOND PHOTO AT THE BOTTOM, UH, THIS IS JUST TO ESTABLISH THE HISTORICAL USE OF WIDER DRIVEWAYS. UM, THIS IS A 45 PLUS FOOT GARAGE AND CARPORT OR GARAGE AND CURB CUT, IF YOU WILL, DIRECTLY ACROSS, OR JUST BARELY ADJACENT TO WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING TO EXTEND OUR DRIVEWAY TO ACCOMMODATE THE TWO VEHICLES. UH, IF YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THERE'S NOT EXACTLY A CURB CUT ON THE STREET. IT IS FUNCTIONS MUCH LIKE AN ALLEY, IT'S JUST KIND OF BARE, UH, ASPHALT TO GRASS. UH, AND SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT NEEDING TO DO ANYTHING. AND, AND ULTIMATELY THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THIS BLEND IN SEAMLESSLY APPEAR AS, AS THOUGH THERE, THERE IS NO GATE AT ALL, AND JUST BECOME AN EXTENSION OF THE FENCE, UH, FOR, UH, SAFETY, PRACTICAL, UH, AND SECURITY PURPOSES OF THE PROPERTY. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING. NO, I THINK IT, THIS WILL HELP US ELIMINATE CREATING TRAFFIC AS WE HAVE TO OPEN, GET OUT OF THE CARS, OPEN THE GATES, STOP TRAFFIC, GET BACK IN, CLOSE IT. YEAH. UM, THIS WILL MAKE IT SO MUCH EASIER TO PARK IN AND OUT OF THE HER VE OR DRIVEWAY, AND WE DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF LIMITATION ON WHERE YOU CAN AND CAN'T PARK ON OUR STREET. AND I UNDERSTAND IF THIS WERE ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, THAT THE CURB CUT WOULD BE HISTORICAL AND WOULD NEED TO CONFORM. UH, BUT UNDER THIS SCENARIO, I MEAN, KALITA STREET IS AN ALLEY WITH HARDLY ANY RESIDENTS FACING, UH, FACING THAT, THAT STREET, ESPECIALLY ON OUR BLOCK. UM, AND IT IS A GROWING SECURITY. CERN IS MORE ACTIVITY KIND OF, UH, FLUSHES PEOPLE THROUGH THE ALLEYS AT AT NIGHT. SO IT IS WITH THAT, THAT WE REQUEST THE SORT OF VARIANCE OR ACCOMMODATION TO WIDEN THE DRIVEWAY. UH, JUST ESSENTIALLY WHERE THOSE TRASH CANS ARE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THEM IN THAT SAME SPACE. WE, WE DON'T KEEP THEM ON THE STREET. WE BRING 'EM IN, UH, SAME DAY EVERY DAY, UH, AND WANNA WANT TO KIND OF POLISH THIS HOUSE AND THE, THE WAY IT'S FORMATTED AND THE STRUCTURE OF EVERYTHING SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS YOU ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REVIEWED PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONTINUE TO, TO, TO BUFF AND SHINE, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD INTO WHAT I THINK IT, WHAT IT CAN BE. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST. UM, SURE. THE, YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANY MORE POSTS TO SUPPORT THE NEW COVERED PORTION, ARE YOU? UM, THEY, THEY DID SUGGEST WE DO, UH, WELL, STAFF SAID SIX BY SIX POSTS, BUT WELL, NO, NO, NO. THE ONES THAT ARE THERE, I THINK ARE SUFFICIENT. THAT IS PREEXISTING AND CURRENTLY THE FOUR BY FOUR POSTS. OKAY. YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING TO ADD ANY MORE POSTS? UM, WE MAY NEED TO REMOVE JUAN RIGHT THERE. UM, WE'RE KIND OF TO THE RIGHT OF THE VEHICLE ON THE GRAVEL SIDE, UH, BUT WE DON'T REALLY PLAN TO ADD ANY AS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY STRUCTURALLY MATERIAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. NOW YOU MAY ASK YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF 'EM. YOU'LL HAVE TO REMOVE THAT ONE PILL SO YOU CAN PULL YOUR CAR IN THERE. YEAH. NONE OF THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? NONE OF THAT. NO, IT'S ALL FREESTANDING. UM, UH, I'D, I'D MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD DO IT DIFFERENTLY IF, IF BUDGET WERE INFINITE AND, UH, THE SPACE WE'RE INFINITE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. UH, AND I THINK IT WILL CREATE A MORE STREAMLINED WAY FOR US TO CONSOLIDATE THE VEHICLE PARKING IN THE YARD AND USE IT FOR, UH, GREENER, UH, MORE LIVING SPACE, UH, ACTIVITY. AND YOUR FENCE IS GONNA LOOK JUST LIKE THAT. WOULDN'T, IT'S GONNA, IT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S ALL WE WANT TO DO. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO A FANCY [03:55:01] METAL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT I WENT INTO TO BLEND IN AND JUST KIND OF, INSTEAD OF OPEN LIKE DOORS LIKE THIS, JUST SLIDE, SLIDE OVER AND, AND THEN FOR THE, FOR THE AXIS WAY, THERE'S REAL, NO, THERE'S NO CURVE. YOU'RE JUST GONNA GRAVEL THAT OVER OR SOMETHING, OR YOU'RE GONNA PUT, UH, YEAH, RIGHT THERE, MOVE THAT VEGETATION OUT OF THE WAY. JUST, JUST KIND OF DO THE SAME THING THAT'S RIGHT THERE, THERE IS NO CURB. SO, UH, WHATEVER'S THE, YOU KNOW, MAKES IT LOOK THE BEST REALLY. AND I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE JUST A CONTINUATION OF WHAT IS, WHAT EXISTS RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT WAS GONNA BE PART OF MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY YOU CAN DO THIS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT CREATING YOUR OWN CURB CUT, YOU'RE JUST LIKE, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M SEEING. LIKE, I DON'T THINK THE CURB BOARD'S NO ISSUE NOTHING. THE GATE'S FINE. I'M JUST, YOU'RE NOT CREATING A CURB CUT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA RE POUR CONCRETE ALL THE WAY TO COTA, OR MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE AND JUST MAYBE LIKE NEARLY ALL OF THE MATERIAL OR THE ACTIVITY IS ON THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE. UH, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CREATE A CURB THERE OR, OR ANYTHING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT JUST ENOUGH, ENOUGH OF, OF A SUBSTANCE THAT'S NOT THE GRASS THERE TO, TO DRIVE IN AND PULL IN LIKE A, LIKE A DRIVEWAY. BUT, AND, AND YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON CREATING LIKE A SIDEWALK CRIME, ANYTHING ON THE SIDE OF THE FENCE? OH, NO. THAT WOULD BE TO THE CITY'S PURVIEW. I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I, YOU HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. YES. MR. SINO. SO, UM, HOW MANY CARS ARE YOU PARKING RIGHT NOW? TWO. TWO. HOW MANY CARS WILL THIS ALLOW, THIS CHANGE ALLOW? WELL, IT COULD SUPPORT THREE, BUT THE PLAN IS TWO. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CREATE AS MUCH PARKING AS THAT FOUR CAR GARAGE NEXT DOOR. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. , WE, WE'D JUST LIKE TO CONSOLIDATE, UH, HOW THE SPACE IS USED TO KIND OF ELIMINATE VEHICLE PARKING BEING A CENTRAL TENANT OF OUR BACKYARD. OKAY. SO, UH, TO THAT, WHY HAVE YOU CHOSEN THE GATE TO BE, IS THIS CLOSER TO THE EAST RATHER THAN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CONFIGURATION? UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE, THE LEFT THERE, UHHUH , UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE THERE IS, UH, SOME NICE MATURE TREES THAT I DON'T WANT TO CUT DOWN. OKAY. YEAH. SORRY, THAT WEREN'T IN THE, THE PLOT. I CAN SEE THE, SEE IT IN THE PLAN. OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY IT WAS MOVED ALL UP AGAINST THE HOUSE AND AGAINST THE LIVING SPACE, THE WOOD DECK. SO WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN, YOU'VE GOT THE CARS THERE. UM, AND THEN, YEAH, THE IDEA IS TO KIND OF OPEN UP MORE OF THE BACKYARD SPACE INSTEAD OF DRIVING OVER, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ADDITIONAL QUARTER OF IT TO, TO PARK THAT SECOND CAR. OKAY. OKAY. PERPENDICULAR, YOU KNOW, PARALLEL TO THE STREET AT THAT POINT. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAZUA. SURE. IT, AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE GONNA BE CHANGING THE ORIENTATION OF PARKING SO THAT INSTEAD OF PARKING PARALLEL TO THE STREET, YOU'RE GONNA BE COMING IN FROM THE STREET AND PARKING PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET? CORRECT. OKAY. SO THE ALSO, THERE'S LESS OF A, AN ISSUE WHEN YOU'RE BACKING OUT OF IT ONTO A STREET. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING IN SO MANY DIRECTIONS AND HAVING TO TURN THE WHEEL AS MUCH. AND I MEAN, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED OFTEN, BUT IT'S, IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT MAKES MORE COMMON SENSE TO, FOR IT TO BE ARRANGED THAT WAY. UH, AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE AFTER. YEAH. TO PULL OUT OF THAT SPACE, IT TAKES ALMOST FIVE TO SIX OUT. THERE'S A LOT OF MULTI POINT TO GET OUT TURNS HAPPENING, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE ANY, ANY ONCOMING TRAFFIC. SO WE HAVE A MIRROR THERE TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF IT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S NOT TO SAY SOMEBODY DRIVING DOWN 40 MILES THROUGH THE ALLEY, WHICH HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. THEY DO DO SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SMALL NARROW STREET. SO, UM, WE JUST WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WALK DOGS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS TO JUST NOT BE, UH, A NUISANCE OR SAFETY HAZARD OR CREATE ANY UNNECESSARY RISK. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. YES. I'LL DO A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATION AND ITEM TWO AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE STUFF. UM, I MEAN WE'RE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN MAY, 2019, BUT, UM, AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN REALLY CONSISTENT OF, OF CURB CUTS AND I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT WE'RE LIKE CREATING A CURB CUT, AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING MOSTLY THE STUFF BEHIND THE FENCE. YEAH. WHICH IS REALLY MY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, LIKE WE'RE NOT, LIKE ALSO, YOU KNOW, DOING MORE STUFF TO KALITA. SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY I, I I SUPPORT THIS. YEAH. AND WE WEREN'T THE OWNERS THEN EITHER. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LONG-TERM HOME FOR US AND AN INVESTMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING TO BE DISRESPECTFUL OF THE, OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, BUT ALSO JUST MAKE IT, [04:00:01] UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY TOUCH AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE WHILE MAKING IT ACCOMMODATING FOR, FOR OUR USES. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MAZUA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. WONDERFUL. THANKS. AGENDA ITEM 31. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 31 H D R C CASE 2023 DASH 3 29 3 12 BURLESON STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A FOUR FEET TALL IRON, UH, GARDEN LOOP STYLE FENCE AT THE NORTH BOUNDARY, THE FRONT YARD. TWO, INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL IRON PEDESTRIAN GATE AND VEHICLE GATE AT THE NORTH BOUNDARY, THE FRONT YARD. THREE, MODIFY THE FRONT LANDSCAPE AND INSTALL GRAVEL AND MULCH TO THE EAST OF THE WALKWAY. FOUR. INSTALL A SIX FOOT TALL WOOD PRIVACY FENCE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO EXTEND PAST THE FRONT FACADE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AND FIVE, TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL WOOD SOLID WOOD FENCE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE FRONT YARD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE HEIGHT OF THE WOOD PRIVACY FENCE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT FOR THE SECTION PAST THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. TWO THAT THE APPLICANT STALLS A FOUR FEET TALL OR A FOUR FOOT TRANS TRANSPARENT FENCE ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE FRONT YARD PAST THE FRONT FACADE OF THE STRUCTURE. AND THREE THAT THE APPLICANT RETURNED TO CONTINUOUS CONCRETE WALKWAY PER HG C'S ACTION. THE PROPERTY OWNER, JEFF HORNBY, IS HERE IN PERSON AND THERE IS ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSIONER REVIEW AND ONE VOICEMAIL. OH, IS IT MY TURN? OKAY. YES. SORRY, , I'VE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR A WHILE. OH, TURN IT ON. I'M JEFF HORNBY. UH, I OWN, I'M THE OWNER OF THREE ONE, UH, 3 1 2 BURLESON. AND I'M GUESS I'M THE GUY WHO DID THE WORK BEFORE WE CAME, CAME TO YOU GUYS. SO, UM, EVERYTHING THAT HE JUST SAID HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN DONE. UM, I'M HAPPY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, FIVE OF THE ITEMS. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I DID REVIEW WHAT, UM, WHAT I SHOULD DO FOR THE CONCEPTUALLY FOR HISTORIC GUIDELINES. SO I'M GLAD THAT I, I, UM, I THINK I GOT THOSE. UM, THE ONE THING THAT I DID NOT DO WAS WHEN I INITIALLY PURCHASED A HOUSE BACK IN 2017, I PUT IN A WALKWAY, YOU KNOW, SO MY HOUSE LOOKED GOOD, AND, UH, AND, UH, UM, I CAME UP BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE, UH, SHORTLY THEREAFTER IN 2018 TO GET APPROVAL OR, UH, I GUESS, UH, APPROVAL FOR IT. UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS A, UM, THERE WAS A TAX INCENTIVE THAT YEAR OF BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE DONE THE RIGHT WORK, YOU, YOU KNOW, SO I WAS ASKING FOR APPROVAL. I WAS DENIED THAT. UM, HOWEVER, UM, I STILL LOVE MY WALKWAY, BUT, UM, ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T. SO TO CLARIFY ALL THE YES, SIR. ITEMS RELATED TO THE FENCING HAVE BEEN CORRECTED. OH, OKAY. SO, NO, I HAVE NOT CORRECTED THEM YET. OKAY. UM, SO PLAN TO, WELL, OKAY, SO, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE FRONT YARD, THAT IS MY NEIGHBOR'S FENCE, I DON'T EVEN HAVE AN FENCE IN EXISTENCE FOR THAT PORTION ON THE WEST SIDE OF MY YARD IN THE FRONT, I ELECTED TO PUT UP A WOOD FENCE FOUR FEET TALL. AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE I HAVE SOME, UM, I HAVE SOME VISUAL, THERE ARE THINGS THAT I WANT TO NOT SEE WHEN SITTING ON MY FRONT PORCH, AND THERE'S A LOT OF BEER CANS AND TRASH AND, AND MUD AND DOG FECES AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, THERE'S A LOTS, A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON OVER THERE. SO I WANTED A VERY SOLID FENCE SO THAT I DID NOT HAVE TO SEE THAT STUFF. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT I COULD CHANGE IT TO. I REALLY DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING WHERE I CAN, I MEAN, WHY EVEN PUT A FENCE UP THERE AT ALL IF I HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THAT STUFF AGAIN? SO, UM, I WAS THINKING MAYBE, MAYBE A, UH, KIND OF LIKE A, UH, ALTERNATE WOOD PICKETS, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF LIKE SHOW, SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF, OF THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, I, I, I, I'M LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS THERE. ON THAT ONE, I DID, UM, UH, PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE AROUND MY PROPERTY. AGAIN. I HAD A SHANTY TOWN ON THE WEST SIDE AND MORE, UH, [04:05:01] 1940 TO THIRTIES, UH, UH, IRON, UH, WHAT IS IT? UM, UM, FENCE LINE, WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE, THE CHAIN LINK? YES. THAT WAS VERY IN DISREPAIR. NOBODY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, HEY, WE'LL GO IN IT WITH YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS SAID, OH NO, NOW IF YOU PUT A FENCE UP THERE, NOW IT'S GONNA BE STRONG BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE TWO FENCES. AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY. SO I ELECTED TO DO IT MYSELF, GET IT DONE. AND UH, AND I, I BROUGHT THE SIX FOOT STRUCTURE UP TO WHERE MY, MY, UM, MY NEIGHBOR'S CORNER WAS. AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THERE'S CHAIN LINK THAT WOULD, SO HE HAS A NICE WROUGHT IRON FENCE, AND THEN THERE'S CHAIN LINK FENCE. AND, UH, IF I HAD BROUGHT THE SIX, I GUESS I COULD HAVE CUT IT TO FOUR UP UNTIL MY SIDE. UM, AND I GUESS I CAN STILL DO THAT. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. THAT JUST REQUIRES A SAWA AND A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAYS, UH, SO I CAN DO THAT. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, IT'S JUST MORE OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE , UM, JUST THINGS YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE COMING OUT OF A, OF A, UM, OF A, OF A BEDROOM WINDOW, UM, THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP ON THEIR SIZE AS OPPOSED TO MINE. SO I DID THE SIX FOOT GOING UP UNTIL THE CORNER OF THEIR HOUSE. MY HOUSE IS PROBABLY ABOUT THREE TO FOUR FEET IN SET FROM BOTH OF MY NEIGHBORS, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SINA? YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, SO LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY. YOU ARE A, OH, MY NAME IS ARI CORTE. OH, DO WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL? WE, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD COME BEFORE QUESTIONS. YEAH. YEAH. I'M SORRY. I DON'T THINK HE MEANT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT YES, HE WAS GETTING IT READY. THAT, THAT WAS MY FAULT. HELLO, MY NAME IS RE ES AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THAT CONCERNS CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 29, LOCATED AT THREE 12 BURLESON STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS, ESPECIALLY AS IT CONCERNS REMOVING THE PAVERS AND REPLACING THE FRONT WALKWAY WITH ONE STRIP OF CEMENT AS WAS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE AND WAS REMOVED WITHOUT PERMISSION. WE WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON THE LANDSCAPING REQUEST. IS THE APPLICANT REQUESTING APPROVAL TO INSTALL GRAVEL AND MULCH WITH NATURAL PLANTINGS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE FRONT YARD, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT AND THEY ONLY NEED FORMAL APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE PICTURES PROVIDED OF THE FRONT YARD, ESPECIALLY ON PAGE 20. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE FRONT YARD. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT, I EVEN HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. EXCELLENT. SURE. UM, SO ARE YOU OKAY WITH THESE, UH, WITH THE STIPULATIONS, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? UM, YEAH. I MEAN, MOST OF THEM FOR SURE, . OKAY. LIKE, UM, WHEN YOU SAY MOST OF THEM, WHICH ONES? WELL, I MEAN, I LIKE, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THE TWO, UH, SIDES OF THE SIX FEET TO FOUR FEET WOOD FENCE. OKAY. UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE WAS ANY, THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE A CONCERN WITH IS MY WALKWAY. I REALLY LOVE MY WALKWAY. I THINK IT LOOKS ATTRACTIVE. I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE. SURE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DON'T LOVE IT. YOU'D LOVE IT. OKAY. SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE ITEMS, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. UM, THE, THE TRANSPARENCY MIGHT MEAN TAKING OUT SOME OF THOSE BOARDS, UHHUH, , AND I THINK YOUR ISSUES ABOUT THE, UM, UH, VISIBILITY OF YOUR NEIGHBOR'S MM-HMM. NONSENSE AND WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, UM, CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH SOME LANDSCAPE. WELL, I'M RIGHT UP AGAINST A DRIVEWAY, SO MY CAR GOES THERE. IT'S HARD TO PLANT ANYTHING ABOVE. IF YOU'VE GOT EVEN A EIGHT INCHES TO A FOOT, YOU CAN PUT GRASSES. I DON'T HAVE EIGHT INCHES TO A FOOT. I REALLY DON'T LIKE, DO YOU SEE THAT? THAT THAT IS A CAR CAN GO BACK THERE, BUT IT IS TIGHT. OKAY. MM-HMM. , SO LIKE WE'RE TALKING NOT A TRUCK, A CAR. THERE MAY BE SOME DESIGN SOLUTIONS THAT STAFF CAN HELP YOU WITH. OKAY. BUT TO, TO KINDA RELIEVE THAT MASSING OF THAT LONG, UM, SOLID WOOD WALL WOULD BE, WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO, UM, AND SO ITEM NUMBER THREE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN, UM, ADDRESS THAT? I'M SORRY, I DON'T IT IN FRONT OF ME. OH, I'M SORRY. THAT'S THE CONTINUOUS WALKWAY AT THE, YOUR FRONT WALKWAY. MY FRONT WALK. MY FRONT WALK. YEAH. AND MY NEXT QUESTION, UM, WOULD BE FOR STAFF, DOES THE GRAVEL, THE NEW GRAVEL PLANT MM-HMM. ON THE EAST SIDE, DOES THAT NEED TO BE, UM, CON UH, CONSIDER FOR THIS HEARING? OR SHOULD IT BE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY? IT IS. IT'S, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS, AS YOU SEE IT. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT [04:10:01] LOOKS LIKE IT'S LESS THAN HALF. UM, SO, OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHERE YOU ARE ON THOSE THREE ITEMS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , WANNA DO A MOTION? SURE. UM, UH, FOR DISCUSSION, I WILL, UM, MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UH, ALL ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, SHOOTINGS, DO RELATION THREE. MM-HMM. . WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AND IF WE NEED TO AMEND IT, WE CAN AMEND IT. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. UH, THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO INCLUDE ALL OF THEM IS BECAUSE I THINK THE ONLY, THE, THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ISSUE IS THE WALKWAY. AND I KNOW YOU LIKE IT, BUT, UM, UH, I THINK THAT HAVING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CONFORM AND IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHERS AND YOU LIKE IT, I, I GET THAT. UM, BUT I, I REALLY FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD REVERT BACK TO CONCRETE. MAYBE IT'S USING THE CONCRETE PADS THAT ARE THERE AND, UM, ALIGN THEM TIGHTLY UP TO EACH OTHER. YEAH. ELIMINATING THAT HORIZONTAL GRAVEL BIT. SO, SO LIKE, JUST REMOVE THE GRAVEL POSSIBLY. THAT COULD BE THAT GRAVEL AND PUSH THEM UP AND ADD A COUPLE MORE SO THAT THERE IS A CONTINUOUS CONCRETE WALK. HMM. I THINK IT'S THE PUNCTUATION OF THAT, THAT GRAYISH BAND. RIGHT. THAT BEGINS TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THIS. UM, IT APPEARS THAT YOUR HOUSE IS ALSO FOR SALE. IT'S, SO COSTS SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. RIGHT. . OKAY. I'LL LET OTHERS ASK, UH, COMMENT ON IT. DONE LOTS OF OTHER THINGS THOUGH. I KNOW, I KNOW. JUST TACK IT ON. JUST, UH, LET SOME OF THE OTHERS HAVE A CHANCE TO CHECK. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT STAFF CAN JUST APPROVE, YOU KNOW, JOINING THE PAPERS. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN AMENDED SOLUTION THAT, SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT? COULD THAT BE, YOU KNOW, IT VISUALLY LOOKS LIKE WE'RE MAKING YOU COMPLY. YEAH. UM, SO HERE, HERE'S THE RUB. IF I SELL THE HOUSE IN A MONTH, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE THIS OUTLINING ISSUE. SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MIGHT HAVE TO HAPPEN? I'M ALSO A REALTOR, SO WHAT MIGHT HAVE TO HAPPEN IS ME PONY UP MONEY IN LIEU OF REPAIRS FOR THEM TO GET COMPLIANT IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, SITUATION. I MEAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT IN A MONTH. AND I, I REALLY DON'T WANNA TEAR UP MY FRONT YARD WHILE I'M SELLING IT IN ORDER TO BECOME COMPLIANT. YOU KNOW? I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. AND I THINK STAFF NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. UM, BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL, I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE BETWEEN YOU AND THEM AT SOME POINT. THEY'RE GONNA COME FOR SOMETHING, THE VIOLATION'S GONNA COME UP, THEY'RE GONNA CALL YOU , YOU'RE IN MEXICO. I'M JUST, I'M JUST KIDDING. . OH, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE SELLER'S DISCLOSURE PROMISE. I MEAN, AND THAT COULD BE A SOLUTION TO, I UNDERSTAND. UM, SO I MEAN, IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO? LIKE, SO BASICALLY IT WOULD BE YOU ADJUST THE FENCES TO THE, THAT I CAN DO TO THE STIPULATIONS. YEAH. AND THEN WE CAN AMEND THIS MOTION. I DON'T WANNA DO AN AMENDMENT UNTIL YOU AGREE THAT WE ADD THESE, YOU KNOW, YOU JOIN UP AGAINST EACH OTHER. YOU CAN STILL, THE GRAVEL ON THE SIDE, YOU ADDING, SO STILL HAVE THE GRAVEL ON THE SIDE, BUT, BUT JUST ADD, YOU'RE MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT'S ONE CONTINUOUS CONCRETE. OKAY. IT'S BASICALLY LOOKING AS IF IT WERE POURED WITH THE EXPANSION JOINT. RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT A, I MEAN, IT MIGHT JUST BE SIMPLE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT SOLUTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT MUCH OF AN EXPENSE FOR YOU. AND YOU NO, YEAH, I'M JUST WRAPPING IT AROUND MY HEAD. I'M JUST THINKING LIKE, OKAY. SO PUSH AWAY THE GRAVEL IN FRONT AND THEN ADD CONCRETE WHERE THAT GRAVEL WAS. ARE THESE NOT PAVERS OR ARE THESE CONCRETE? IT'S CONCRETE. CONCRETE. I POURED THESE THINGS MYSELF. OH, THEY'RE, I WENT THROUGH, YOU DID GOOD CONCRETE WORK. THEY'RE NOT PAVERS. AND WHAT SIZE ARE THEY? THEY WERE THE SIZE I THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE, FOR THE WIDTH OF THE, UH, THE, THE, AND THEN I WOULDN'T SUGGEST PUTTING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF FEET. FOUR AND A HALF FEET WIDE. AND HOW DEEP? UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE INCHES DEEP. YEAH. I CAN'T MOVE 'EM OTHER DIMENSIONS. WHAT ABOUT TWO FEET? UM, I'M SORRY. OH, OH, IN INSIDE, IN BETWEEN PROBABLY AROUND A, LIKE NINE OR 10 INCHES BETWEEN OKAY. PHOTO THAT'S UP THERE. YEAH. YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 14 INCHES OF, OF DARK GRAVEL BETWEEN HOW WIDE ARE THE NO, THAT'S ABOUT EIGHT INCHES OF DARK GRAVEL BETWEEN. OKAY. HOW [04:15:01] WIDE ARE THE PAVERS? THE CONCRETE, THE PAVERS ARE AROUND FOUR TO FOUR AND A HALF FEET. OH, I'M SORRY. THE OTHER DIMENS. THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT, UM, MAYBE ABOUT THREE FEET FROM FRONT TO BACK. YEAH, LIKE THREE FEET. ABOUT THREE FEET. MR. CHAIR AND IT'S CAST IN PLACE? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. MR. CHAIR, UM, WANNA ARTICULATE THIS? YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, THIS IS A FRINGE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE HOUSES, THE ONE THING THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO, TO, TO, UH, ENTER OUR VOCABULARY IS THAT, THAT THERE'S AN ECLECTIC EVOLUTION OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE HOUSES THAT IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE'S A HOUSE BUILT IN THE 1920S, AND THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UH, AN ADDITION DONE IN THE 1940S AND ONE IN THE SEVENTIES. IF THEY'RE DONE IN A PARTICULAR WAY, THEN THEY'RE SEEN AS PART OF THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WERE DONE IN THE SAME PERIODS, BUT FOR OTHER, BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET OUR AESTHETIC, UH, OBJECTIVES. THEY'RE, THEY DON'T ENTER INTO THE VOCABULARY. AND, AND I THINK, OR IT SEEMS ODD THAT, THAT, THAT THESE ANOMALIES HAVEN'T ENTERED INTO OUR PRESERVATION NARRATIVE. UM, IF, IF YOU CAN GET THE PICTURE, WELL, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT A MAP, BUT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE WAY THE STAIRCASE GOES INTO THIS HOUSE, IT'S LIKE, WHAT, WHAT WE CALL CUTTING YOUR NOSE OFF TO SPITE YOUR FACE OR LOOKING AT THE YEAH. YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL LOOKING AT, AT, AT, AT THE THING THAT WE WANNA SEE, BUT NOT LOOKING AT THE THING THAT'S IN FRONT OF US. IT, IT, IT BREAKS A LOT OF RULES ALREADY. AND, AND, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T DO IT ON ITS OWN. THE, THE, IF YOU GO DOWN THE STREET, THERE'S ALL THESE CONTRADICTIONS. AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IS IF YOU'RE A SAN ANTONIAN, RIGHT, THOSE CONTRADICTIONS ARE PART OF OUR LANDSCAPE. THEY'RE PART OF WHAT MAKE US UNIQUE. WE SHOULD BE, UH, UH, PRESERVING THE ANOMALIES, IN WHICH CASE THEY INFORM A LITTLE BIT OF FREEDOM. IT COULD BE FREEDOM FROM A PERIOD WHERE THE CITY TURNED A BLIND EYE AND EVOLUTION OCCURRED ON ITS OWN, IT STILL CREATES A BEAUTY WITHIN ITSELF. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO JUST ADVOCATE FOR THIS, THIS YOUNG MAN'S, UM, UH, WALKWAY PATTERN EMPOWERED BY THE, THE, UH, EXISTING, UM, UH, VERNACULAR OF ARCHITECTURAL, UH, EXPRESSION, JUST DOWN THIS PIECE OF BURLESON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHAIR? MR. YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. OKAY. SO I'VE, I'VE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY HERE BECAUSE I, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND THAT'S SHOULD COUNT FOR SOMETHING, RIGHT? ? . IT SHOULD. BUT, UM, THE, THE, THIS IS A VIOLATION, SIR. IT'S A VIOLATION. I MEAN, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IT'S A VIOLATION. SO, I MEAN, YOU WERE, UM, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE CASE, YOU KNOW, ITEM C AND IT SAYS THAT WE DENIED THE REQUEST TO HAVE EXISTING WALKWAY REPLACED, UM, WITH CREST ROCK AND CONCRETE PAPERS. AND IT'S STILL NONCONFORMING, BUT YET YOU, I MEAN, YOU SHARED THAT YOU POURED THEM YOURSELF AND THEY SEND SO, RIGHT. THIS IS, THIS IS NON-CONFORMING. SO IT'S, IT'S A VIOLATION. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY RIGHT. ALL IT REALLY BOILS UP. I'M NOT, I'M NOT DEBATING THAT IT IS A VIOLATION. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY JUST ASKING US TO, TO SAY, HEY, SORRY, AND LET'S GOING CONTINUE COURT. WELL, WELL, NO, NO, NO. I, SO WHEN I CAME HERE IN 2018, UM, I, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, I, I WAS ASKING FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, FOR, FOR AN EXCEPTION DUE TO HAVING THE, UH, WHAT IS IT? THE, THE PROPERTY TAX INCENTIVE, RIGHT? THEY DENIED THAT. AND I SAID, OKAY, THAT IT'S BEEN DENIED. UH, THAT WAS, AT THAT POINT, THAT WAS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY EVER SAID TO ME AFTER THAT POINT TO SAYING, YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND, AND, AND FORCIBLY DO THIS. SO I WAS LIKE, WELL, I LOVE MY, YOU KNOW, I JUST POURED IT. IT'S BEEN LESS THAN A YEAR. I'M GONNA ENJOY THIS WALKWAY. YOU KNOW? UM, SO, SO YEARS LATER, COME BACK AND WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS WALKWAY AGAIN. I, UM, I WAS, I WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT, WELL, MY, MY YARD WAS A PROBLEM. MY FENCES WERE A PROBLEM. MY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THOSE THINGS WERE THE THINGS THAT I WAS COMING UP HERE TO TALK HONESTLY TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THE WALKWAY I ALREADY KNEW WAS DENIED. SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M [04:20:01] TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, YOU, YOU BASICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, I LIKE MY WALKWAY. I, I'M, I UNDERSTAND YOU LIKE IT. AND I, I I, I WILL LOOK AT IT'S NOT, I, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH LOOKING AT WAYS TO SEE HOW I CAN REMEDIATE THE PROBLEM. I'M SELLING THE HOUSE. I JUST DON'T WANNA DO IT RIGHT NOW. WHEN THE HOUSE IS UP FOR SALE, I MEAN, MIGHT IT, CAN YOU COLOR MATCH THE GRAVEL? UM, MIGHT IT MAKE A, UM, MR. CHAIR IF YOU ALLOW ME TO COLOR? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? UM, IF YOU WERE TO, I MEAN, AS SIMPLE AS IT COULD BE, GET RID OF THAT GRAY GRAVEL AND PUT A LINER OF SOME SORT ALONG THE SIDE AND WITH THE OTHER GRAVEL MISSING, JUST POUR MORE CONCRETE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, JUST INFILL IT. JUST INFILL IT. UM, THAT COULD BE, UH, OKAY. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? AND I JUST LIKE, JUST INFILL IN, NOT ONLY WITH GRAVEL, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE ADDING WITH CONCRETE. WITH CONCRETE. EXACTLY. YEAH. YOU ADD THAT TO YOUR MARK ON THE LONG SIDE. RIGHT. AND SO YES, I WOULD, I WOULD CERTAINLY, UM, CERTAINLY, UM, ADD THAT TO THE MOTION THAT THE STIPULATION WOULD BE TO INFILL THE HORIZONTAL GAPS WITH OKAY. OR CONCRETE, UM, OR ANOTHER METHOD THAT WOULD, WOULD RESULT IN A CONTINUOUS CONCRETE WALKWAY. CONTIGUOUS CONCRETE WALKWAY. SO IT COULD BE ADDING PAVERS THAT ARE SMALLER. IT COULD, IF THEY FIT. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. IF THEY FIT, YEAH. YES. BUT THE IDEA IS IT COULD FIT CONTINUOUS LIGHT COLORED, CONCRETE COLORED SIDEWALK. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT JUST LOOKS COMPLETELY CONCRETE FROM THE, BECAUSE ALONG THAT AREA AS, AS, AS WONDERFUL AS YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL EXPRESSION IS IN VARIOUS PLACES, ALL OF THESE HOUSES ARE HAVE INDIVIDUAL EXPRESSION, BUT IT'S DONE IN, YOU KNOW, FITS AND SPURTS AND LITTLE THINGS HERE AND THERE. IT'S NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, AND THIS ONE, THIS REALLY DOES STAND OUT. I WAS LOOKING EARLIER AT THE, THE GOOGLE EARTH AND JUST DRIVING AROUND. UM, THAT IS ONE THING THAT TENDS TO BE VERY CONSISTENT IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT. MM-HMM. ARE THE CONCRETE WALKWAYS. YEAH. OF ALL THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WACKY THINGS. SO NO, I HEAR YOU. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, SO THAT WAS MY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. OKAY. SECOND. SECOND. CONCURS THE STAFF HAVE CLAR CLARITY ON THIS. YES. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CAN WE GET CLARITY ON THE MOTION? SORRY. SURE. IT'S APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS REGARDING THE FENCING, WHICH HAS APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO, AND THE ADDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE WALKWAY WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT BE INFILLED WITH CONCRETE BETWEEN THE EXISTING OR PAVERS. RIGHT. CON CONCRETE RESULTING IN A CONTINUOUS WALK CONCRETE WALKWAY. YEAH. IT'S THE OUTCOME, NOT A MATERIAL . GOT IT. STAFF HAS IT. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER ZUKI ONE SUGGESTION. I THINK IF YOU PUT CEMENT IN THERE, YEAH. YOU'RE ASKING FOR PROBLEMS BECAUSE THERE'S NO REBAR OR CONTINUATION WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT ALREADY WITHOUT DRILLING HOLES INTO THE CEMENT TO STICK REBAR IN THERE. YEAH. SO MAYBE JUST PAVERS. PAVERS IN THE COLOR OF THE CEMENT. CORRECT. MIGHT BE THE BEST SELECTION. OKAY. YOU COME IN ALL SHAPES AND COLORS AND SIZES. I MEAN, YEAH, NO, I KNOW TO DO, YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. NAY. MOOKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND VET? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU . APPRECIATE THAT. UM, SO BRIAN, BEFORE YOU READ ITEM 32, 3 26 MISSION, UM, ARE WE EXPECTING THAT APPLICANT HE WAS HERE EARLIER? UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE IS AT. HOW MUCH EARLIER? UM, , LIKE WHEN WE STARTED? NEVER. OKAY. WE'LL, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU, WE'LL NEED TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD JUST 'CAUSE IT'S ON THE AGENDA, BUT THEN I'LL REFER TO YOU ON HOW YOU WANT US TO PROCEED. UM, WE'LL HEAR THE LAST CASE, AND THEN IF THE DOESN'T COME BACK WE'LL UH, MAKE A CONTINUANCE. LET'S DO ITEM 33. ITEM 33. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 33 H D R C. CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 54 ADDRESS IS TWO 40 FUR DRIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A CHARCOAL GRAY FABRIC AWNING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH. UM, STAFF [04:25:01] DOES NOT APPROVE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B. THE HOMEOWNER, UM, PAULINE CANALES IS HERE IN PERSON. THERE'S ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. YES, MA'AM. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? HI, MY NAME IS PAULINE CANALES AND I OWN THE HOME AT TWO 40 FOR DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TODAY. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO DESCRIBE YOUR PROPOSAL. YES. UM, I DECIDED TO SEE IF I COULD GET AN AWNING PLACED, UM, IN FRONT OF THE WINDOWS AT FIRST. AND IT WAS SO HOT THIS SUMMER, UM, THAT IT STARTED, UH, ALSO MESSING UP MY FRONT DOOR AND, UH, THE CEMENT PAINT, WHICH I DON'T HAVE ANYMORE. SO, UM, MORE, MORE COST-EFFECTIVE. WASN'T AN AWNING. AND I DID SEE, SEE THEM ON SOME OF THE, THE HOMES. UH, THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY HAD HAD 'EM FOR, I DON'T KNOW, 10, 15 YEARS MAYBE. UM, SO THE AWNING WOULD BE RIGHT UNDER THE ROOF SO IT WOULD NOT MESS WITH THE GUTTERS, AND IT WOULD BE ABOVE THE WINDOW COME OUT AND IT, AND, UH, ACCORDING TO THE INS, THE INSTALLER, THE WAY HE DESCRIBED IT IS IT WOULD FALL RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOOR. ABOVE THE DOOR. BUT BECAUSE YOU SEE HOW THE ROOF COMES DOWN OVER THE DOOR, IT WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GO THAT FAR, BUT IT WOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE AND COME UP RIGHT AND COVER MOST OF THE PORCH. THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE, SO IT WOULD BE RIGHT UNDER THE GUTTER. AND OF COURSE, THAT, UH, CAMERA WOULD BE REMOVED. IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL ANYWAYS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, MAYBE HEAR THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM 33 2 40 FUR DRIVE. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 3 5 4. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER, MEMBER OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE NINE MEMBER M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE APPRECIATE THE HOMEOWNER SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME. HOWEVER, THE INSTALLATION OF THE PROPOSED AWNING IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME. THE PROPOSED AWNING WOULD CONFLICT WITH THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE FRONT DOOR AND WINDOWS. THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF AWNINGS ON THIS BLOCK, OR FRONT FACING WINDOWS ONLY. HOWEVER, NONE OF THEM OBSCURE A FRONT DOOR. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS. AGENDA ITEM 33. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? YES, COMMISSIONER. SO DO YOU PREFER IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE THE AWNING OVER THE DOOR OR OVER THE WINDOWS, WHERE WOULD BE LIKE, IT WOULD HAVE MOSTLY IT WOULD HAVE TO GO OVER THE WINDOWS BECAUSE MY MOM SLEEPS THERE AND THE ROOM GETS REALLY HOT. I DO A MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO HAD QUESTION. NO, NO. I MEAN, LET ME ASK YOU NOW, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO MAYBE DO AN AWNING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, JUST THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS? UM, IF THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO DO, YEAH. SO I HAVE EXACTLY THOSE AWNINGS IN MY HOUSE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UHHUH IN THE BACK, BUT THEY DO HELP A LOT WITH THE SUN EVERY DAY. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. WOULD IT, WOULD IT COVER THE ENTIRE, UH, BOTH OF THOSE WINDOWS? WELL, AND I HAVE ONE THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT BIG ENOUGH, BUT IT JUST ACTUALLY GOES LIKE ON THE WHITE TRIM OF THE WINDOWS. IT DOESN'T GO. AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNED THAT IT, IT IS, UM, THE FRONT DOOR AND IT'S GONNA COVER THE FRONT DOOR. I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS MORE THE NEED ON THE FRONT DOOR ON THE WINDOWS, BUT I MEAN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REMOVED. UM, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT NEED. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS VERY HOT AND WHEN THE WINDOW, WHEN THE SUN BAKES RIGHT THERE, I MEAN, I SEE IT IN MY HOUSE. IT HELPS A LOT WITH THE AWNING. OKAY. SO I'LL DO A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, AN AWNING JUST ON THE TWO GANG WINDOWS, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S INSTALLED ON THE WHITE TRIM. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER GR. SO WOULD THAT AWNING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, WOULD THAT COVER THE ENTIRE, THE PORCH AT LEAST? UH, WOULD IT LOOK KIND OF NO, NO, NO. IT COVERS JUST THE WINDOWS FOR HER TO HAVE NOT SUN COMING IN THOSE WINDOWS AND BAKING AND WHICH IS I UNDERSTAND THE PRIMARY NEED AND, AND, AND IT'S THE [04:30:01] SAME BRAND, SO I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN, UM, I THINK THEY JUST MEASURE AND DO IT TO YOUR MEASUREMENTS. RIGHT. UM, THE REASON WHY I DECIDED TO TRY AND COVER THE ENTIRE PORCH IS BECAUSE IT, THE, THE HEAT IS WARPING THE DOOR AND THE DOOR MATCHES A LOT OF OTHER DOORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DID NOT WANT TO REPLACE IT, AND I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE RUINED. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. UM, I JUST, THE AWNING, HOW IT'S PRESENTED, IT'S REALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD EVEN WORK FOR YOU. I MEAN, IT DOES, IT, IT WOULD JUST COVER, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. IT WOULD DETER FROM THE HISTORY, HOW FAR OUT WOULD I BE ALLOWED FOR IT TO, UH, COME DOWN IS THE OTHER QUESTION WHEN YOU, BECAUSE, BECAUSE WITH THE MOTION, SOME OF THEM DO COME DOWN PRETTY FAR. THEY CAN COME DOWN PRETTY FAR SO THAT WAY THEY HAVE MORE SHADE, I THINK WITH THE ANGLE YOU HAVE. I KNOW THAT'S THE QUESTION THEY'RE GONNA ASK ME. I THINK THE ANGLE THAT YOU HAVE IS WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S THE ANGLE, MR. CHAIR CLARIFICATION? UM, THE MOTION IS FOR A, AN AWNING OVER THE PAIR OF WINDOWS. CORRECT. IF, UM, THAT INCLUDED, UH, THE APPLICANT COMING BACK TO STAFF WITH DRAWINGS FROM THE INSTALLER TO, UM, YES. VERIFY THE WIDTH AND THE DEPTH AND THE EXTENSION, THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YES. I'LL ADD THAT WITH STIPULATION TO COME BACK WITH STAFF WITH FINAL DESIGN AND FINAL MEASUREMENTS. OKAY. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, SECOND, I HAD WE GONE THROUGH, UH, QUESTIONS ALREADY? DID YOU, WE ALREADY WENT ROUND ROBIN AND EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE. I'M SORRY. WE WENT DIRECTLY TO A MOTION. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. HAD, HAD YOU CONSIDERED OR ANY CONTRACTOR CONSIDERED EXTENDING THE ACTUAL ROOF ITSELF AS A PORCH? YES, , UM, I ACTUALLY GOT APPROVAL FOR THAT. AND, UM, THE GENTLEMAN, THE ROOFER THAT WAS GONNA DO THAT, HE DIDN'T CALL ME BACK WITHIN THE THREE MONTHS, ACTUALLY, HE HAS NOT CALLED ME BACK. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING AT WHAT IS MOST COST EFFECTIVE FOR ME. OKAY. IT WAS GONNA COST ME THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO, TO DO THAT. SO THIS IS LIKE, UM, SHORT TERM. OKAY. UNTIL I GET THAT DONE. OKAY. ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION. HAD, HAD ANYBODY SUGGESTED TO YOU A STANDALONE FLAT SHADE SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T CONNECT TO THE HOUSE? IT, IT, IT SITS ON THE PIPES THAT THEY'RE BOLTED TO THE PORCH AND JUST A SHADE? UH, THAT SHADE? I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. JUST WANTED TO ASK, BUT, OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER SAVINO YES, OF COURSE. UM, BUT GOING ALONG THOSE LINES AS, UM, YOU WORK WITH YOUR IN INSTALLER AND BRING DRAWINGS BACK, UM, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO DO THIS, TO GET THE DOOR IN THE WINDOW COVERED, DOING A SLIGHTLY LOWER PITCH, ALSO TO CLEAR THE DOORWAY. UM, BUT THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO DO THAT. OKAY. AND IF YOU FIND THAT YOU NEED TO, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW, SHOULD I RECOMMEND A D R C? IF YOU FIND THAT YOU'RE NEEDING MORE ASSISTANCE, MAYBE YOU CAN COME TO A D R C. OKAY. BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE AGREEMENT. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW WHAT A D R C IS? OH, . SORRY. A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. I WAS GONNA LOOK IT UP. YEAH. DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH IS, UH, AN INFORMAL ZOOM MEETING. AND IF YOU, UH, GET SOME DRAWINGS FROM YOUR, UM, INSTALLER AND YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS, UH, YOU CAN CALL A STAFF AND SET UP A MEETING. THAT ACTUALLY SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOUR DISCRETION. OKAY. UM, SO ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. CASTILLO. AYE. SINO. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA AYE. YADA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND ZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WE NEED A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE ON AGENDA ITEM 32. MOTION TO CONTINUE. ITEM 32, I'LL SECOND. SECOND. MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. UM, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. OH, I'M SORRY. CAN WE RECONVENE? WE DIDN'T DO THE [Approval of Minutes] MEETING MINUTES APPROVAL. OH, YEAH. YOU'LL HAVE TO CALL US TO ORDER, UH, CALL THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION BACK INTO ORDER. UM, [04:35:01] WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE MEETING MINUTES FOR APRIL 5TH AND APRIL 16TH, 2023. I'M SORRY. UH, AUGUST, APRIL 5TH AND AUGUST 16TH. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU AGAIN. WE ARE ADJOURNED. AND WELCOME TO THE NEW COMMISSIONERS. YEAH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.