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GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
IF WE COULD BEGIN WITH OUR SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES STATEMENT, PLEASE.
WITH THE RISE OF UH, COVID AND EVERYTHING ELSE COMING BACK ONCE AGAIN, WE DO HAVE MASK AVAILABLE, RIGHT? I ALWAYS FORGET TO ASK AND MAKE SURE BEFORE I SAY THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE MASK AVAILABLE OVER IN THE CORNER IF YOU WOULD LIKE ONE.
UM, MY NAME IS ROB SIPES AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT SEVEN ZONING COMMISSIONER.
I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICE MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION.
I'D LIKE TO DO A ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT.
UM, DISTRICT NINE, JOHN BUSTAMANTE, DISTRICT FIVE.
DANIEL KELLUM, DISTRICT ONE, JOHN WITT, DISTRICT 10 TAYLOR WATSON, DISTRICT TWO.
JANELLE CHASE, MAYORAL APPOINTEE.
CHARLES FUENTES FOR DISTRICT THREE.
UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CHASE REPRESENTING THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
UH, WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT UNDER JUSTICE
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PRIOR TO COMMENCING OUR HEARING.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE STAFF.
BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF.
THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES.
UPON RE RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER.
STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST.
PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT.
PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN EX INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OP OWNERS IN OPPOSITION.
FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING.
YOU WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION.
YOU WILL BE INFORMED THAT YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.
FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES.
THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK AND MUST YIELD THAT TIME.
WHEN THAT SPEAKER GOES UP TO THE PODIUM, THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS.
STAFF, IF WE COULD GO OVER ANY WITHDRAWN OR POSTPONED ITEMS FOR THE DAY.
ITEMS FOR, UH, POST THAT WERE HAVE BEEN POSTPONED.
ITEM NUMBER ONE LOCATED AT 15,895 SOUTH STATE HIGHWAY 16, ITEM NUMBER TWO, LOCATED AT 24 39 CASTORVILLE ROAD.
AND ITEM NUMBER THREE, UM, LOCATED AT 1802 AND 1806 WEST WILDWOOD.
ALRIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED, YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE AS THOSE ITEMS WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY AND YOU WILL BE RE NOTIFIED IF FUTURE ACTION ACTUALLY OCCURS.
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STAFF, IF WE COULD PLEASE GO OVER THE LIST OF ITEMS ON THE COMBINED AGENDA.SORRY, WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS BEING PULLED FROM CONSENT MOVE TO INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE WE HAVE APPLICANT OR FOLKS HERE, PUBLIC SPEAKERS TO UH, OPPOSE.
SO FOR ITEMS TO BE ON THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA, OUR ITEMS NUMBER 6, 14, 15, 18, 19, 21, 23, 24, 25, 26 AND 29.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE HAD TO PULL THREE ITEMS, UH, DUE TO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THOSE AGAINST.
SO THAT WAS 6 14, 15, 18, 19, 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 29 OR DID I MISS ONE? SORRY, IT'S DIFFERENT.
UM, SO YOUR COMBINED HEARING ITEMS ARE THE FOLLOWING ITEM SIX, 14 AND 15 MM-HMM
AND KELLY, WE'LL READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD FOR YOU.
UM, WELL FIRST LET'S SEE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OF THE REMAINING ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ASKING COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE ESPECIALLY ANY, ANY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL DOWN TO CONSENT, I MEAN TO THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING.
ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD READ THOSE REMAINING ITEMS INTO THE RECORD PLEASE.
ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM I D Z WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS NOT TO EXCEED 76 UNITS PER ACRE.
HOTEL AND STUDIO SOUND AND RECORDING TO I DZ.
THREE WITH USES PERMITTED IN RM FOUR RESIDENTIAL MIXED DISTRICT C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS NOT TO EXCEED A HUNDRED UNITS PER ACRE AS WELL AS THE FOLLOWING.
USES LIVE WORK UNITS, BAR, AND OR TAVERN WITH COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK.
NIGHTCLUB WITH A COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK.
ALCOHOL, BEVERAGE MANUFACTURER OR BREWERY HOTEL TALLER THAN 35 FEET BEVERAGE MANUFACTURED NON-ALCOHOL INCLUDING MANUFACTURING AND PROCESSING ENTERTAINMENT.
VENUE, OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WITH AND WITHOUT COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK, NOT INCLUDING A FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AND A FOOD SERVICE.
ESTABLISHMENTS WITH COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK WITH OR WITHOUT ACCESSORY.
LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 500 EAST GRAYSON STREET, 24 NOTICES WERE SENT.
FIVE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED.
AND GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
AND OUTSIDE 200 FEET WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR.
ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO RMM SIX WITH ALL OVERLAYS TWO REMAIN THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 2 2 6 BEETHOVEN AVENUE.
ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED.
AND PASADENA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR.
ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM MF 25 TO C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE 1200 BLOCK OR 12,000 BLOCK OF SOUTHWEST LOOP.
FOUR TEN THREE NOTICES WERE SENT.
AND THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 18 IS A REQUEST TO A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C TWO TO C ONE CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR OFFICE WAREHOUSE WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 14 0 9 3 BULVERDE ROAD.
ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED.
AND THE EDEN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR.
ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM OH TWO TO C ONE WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME LOCATED AT F OR LOCATED AT 45 0 2 WALHAM ROAD.
NOTICES WERE SENT, ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED.
AND THERE'S NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET FOR ITEM NUMBER 21 IS A REQUEST IN THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C THREE MF 33 AND R FIVE TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE
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FOR AUTO PAINT AND BODY SHOP WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.LOCATED AT 1988 AUSTIN HIGHWAY 27.
AND THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET.
ITEM NUMBER 25 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM RMM FOUR TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
LOCATED AT THREE 16 TOLEDO STREET.
SIX RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED.
AND DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR.
ITEM NUMBER 26 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM L TO I ONE WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 70 43 INDUSTRIAL WAY.
AND THERE'S NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET.
UH, REQUEST AND CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO I D Z THREE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR 24 DWELLING UNITS.
WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 8 21 NORTHWEST 19TH STREET.
AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE WEST END HOPE AND ACTION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND PROSPECT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THESE ITEMS? WE DO.
IF WE COULD PLAY THE VOICEMAILS PLEASE.
GOOD AFTERNOON TO OUR BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR THE ZONING COMMISSION, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
MY NAME IS RETIRED LIEUTENANT COLONEL EDWARD PIERCE, PRESIDENT OF PASADENA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WE ARE CALLING TODAY TO, UH, SUBMIT OUR ENDORSEMENT IN FAVOR OF ZONING CASE 2 3 0 7 2 0 1 PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT AT 2 26 BEETHOVEN STREET.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, DIALOGUE WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
AND UH, AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
EDWARD SEAS RETIRED LIEUTENANT COLONEL UNITED STATES ARMY ADDRESS IN PASADENA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
3 0 4 CHI 2 1 0 9 0 2 6 6 0 5 CENTURY YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA FROM A COMMISSIONER.
WELL IF I GET THE NUMBERS WRONG, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME.
UM, CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS NUMBER 6 14 15 18, 19, 21, 25, 26 AND 29.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE.
ITEM 6 14, 15, 18, 19, 21, 25, 26, AND 29 BY COMMISSIONER WATSON WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES.
UH, FOR THE APPLICANT ON ITEM NUMBER 29.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE DISCUSSED A CHANGE IN SITE PLAN, UH, WITH MR. LON.
UH, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT GETS DONE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, BUT NONETHELESS, YOU'RE GOING ON TODAY 'CAUSE WE HAVE A VERY LONG AGENDA, SO.
PLEASE ADDRESS THAT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LOOKING LEFT.
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YOU.IF YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, YOU ARE FREE TO GO AS THOSE ITEMS WILL NOW BE PROCEEDING TO CITY COUNCIL.
Y Y THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME HERE, BUT I DO HAVE
UM, THE ONE THAT'S ON JAY STREET, WHICH, WHICH ITEM WAS THAT? THE ITEM ON JAY STREET GOT PULLED TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION 'CAUSE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AGAINST IT.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT ONE YET.
THESE WERE THE ITEMS THAT WE JUST HEARD WERE ONES THAT DIDN'T HAVE OPPOSITION.
SO NOW WE'LL GO TO ANOTHER SESSION AND THEN A SESSION.
IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO OUR CONTINUANCE AGENDA PLEASE.
SO, ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED, UM, FOR OCTOBER 3RD ARE JUST ITEMS NUMBER FIVE 17 AND 22.
WE DON'T HAVE TO READ THEM OUT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO CHAIR? I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEMS NUMBER FIVE 17 AND 22 TO THE OCTOBER 3RD HEARING.
MOTION IS TO, UH, CONTINUE ITEMS 5, 17, 20 AND 22 TO THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING BY COMMISSIONER WATSON.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES.
UM, DISCUSSION, NOT SEEING ANY LEFT OR RIGHT.
SO IF WE COULD A ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
AND I, I PASS FOR CONTINUANCE.
AND I FAILED TO ASK DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE ITEMS? THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO OUR SECOND CONTINUANCE HEARING PLEASE.
UH, SECOND GROUP OF ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED FOR FOUR WEEKS TO OCTOBER 17TH.
WE HAVE ITEMS NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER 12 AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION ON THOSE ITEMS. CHAIR.
ITEMS FOUR AND 12 TO 10 SEVENTEENS.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEMS FOUR AND 12 TO THE OCTOBER 17TH HEARING BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, OR COMMISSIONER WATSON.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? LOOKING LEFT.
IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR ITEMS 5 17 22 4 AND 12, WE WILL SEE Y'ALL IN A COUPLE WEEKS OR IN A MONTH.
IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING PLEASE.
I BELIEVE ITEM SEVEN IS THE FIRST ON THE LIST.
MY NAME IS ADOLFO GONZALEZ, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS LOCATED AT 1008 AND 1012 HOGAN AVENUE AND 5 0 9 DELAWARE STREET GOING FROM I D Z THREE AND I D C THREE HL WITH MULTIPLE USES TO I D C THREE HIGH INTENSITY INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO EXTENDED STATE HOTEL MULTIFAMILY DWELLING NOT TO EXCEED 570 UNITS BAR WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT OUTDOOR SPORT COURT AND RV PARK.
THERE WERE 31 NOTICES SENT OUT.
ONE OPPOSED DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARE IN SUPPORT AND 10 OPPOSED OUTSIDE 200 FEET.
THE EXISTING I D Z THREE IS INAPPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED REZONING IS REQUESTED TO REMOVE THE HL HISTORIC LANDMARK OVERLAY FROM 5 0 9 DELAWARE STREET AND TO ADD THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARK USE TO THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES FROM THE EXISTING IDC THREE BAY ZONING DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED USES WILL BE BOUND TO A PRESCRIBED SITE PLAN TO INCLUDE BUILDING DIMENSIONS AND SQUARE FOOTAGES DEVIATION FROM THE CONSIDERED SITE PLAN COULD POTENTIALLY WARRANT ADDITIONAL COUNSEL CONSIDERATION IN A NEW REZONING CASE.
STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT,
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IF YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT PLEASE.MY ADDRESS IS 37 20 SOUTH LOOP 1604 EAST SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 6 4.
UM, WE BOUGHT THIS PROJECT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO AND WE WERE ABLE TO DEMOLISH AND, UH, DO THE REMEDIATION ON THE EXISTING ALAMO CONCRETE PLANT.
UM, WE WENT BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AND WE GOT IT REZONED TO A, UH, HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY MIXED USE PROJECT AND HAVE TRIED, I'VE, I'VE GOT 103 DENIALS FROM BANKS TO LOAN MONEY ON A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT OF THIS SIZE RIGHT NOW IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP THE VAGRANCY THE LARCENY THAT'S GOING ON IN THIS PROJECT.
'CAUSE IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER GUYS EVER GO DOWN DELAWARE STREET.
IT'S BECOME A, A DUMPING GROUND FOR ANYBODY THAT THAT'S GOT A LOAD OF TRASH.
THE CITY'S CLEAN IT UP AND THE CITY DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IT, BUT IT'S DISGUSTING.
WE'VE LOOKED AT SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES AND THIS SEEMS TO BE THE ONE THAT WOULD WORK TO HELP US PAY THE TAXES, KEEP THE SITE CLEAN, AND PROVIDE 24 HOUR SITE SECURITY AND TRY TO CURE SOME OF THESE EVILS.
WE ACTUALLY WENT FORWARD AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY INSURANCE ON IT.
SO BEFORE YOU GUYS START REACHING A, UH, DEDUCTION ON THIS, WE, WE, WE HIT A A, ABOUT A 1500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, HISTORIC BUILDING ON IT THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON TO CONVERT INTO A WINE AND OUTSIDE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
UM, THERE WAS A, A SPATE OF ARSON IN THAT AREA AND THEY BURNED IT DOWN TO THE GROUND.
SO IT COST US ABOUT $30,000 JUST TO, TO CLEAR IT UP.
UM, WE REGULARLY, UH, PATROL THE AREA AND WE HAVE CAMPERS, WE HAVE, AND THESE AREN'T RV CAMPERS, THESE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO LIVE AND GOD BLESS 'EM.
AND IF WE DON'T FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO, TO MAKE THIS WORK FINANCIALLY, WE WILL GIFT IT AND TURN IT INTO A HOMELESS CENTER.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE A LUXURY RV PARK, 24 HOUR SECURITY, GREAT AMENITIES.
THIS WOULD ACTUALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON HOF BECAUSE THE ONLY ACCESS TO THIS PARK WOULD BE OFF OF HOFFAN, THANKS TO TO THE OBJECTION THAT, THAT WE GOT LAST WEEK.
BUT THESE FOLKS COME IN FOR TWO OR THREE DAYS OR A WEEK AND THEN WE'RE LIMITED TO, TO, UH, 30 DAYS FOR THE ENTIRE PERIOD.
AND THEY'RE PAYING 75 TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY FOR FULL SPEED, UH, INTERNET, UH, AND ALL THE AMENITIES.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL USHER THEM TO TOWN AND MAKE IT TRULY A LUXURY RV PARK.
AND IT'S THE ONLY IDEA THAT I'VE HAD TO WAREHOUSE THIS PROPERTY AND DO IT IN A DIGNIFIED MANNER THAT WOULD BRING TAXES AND, AND, AND A POSITIVE ASPECT TO THIS SITE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE UNDER ATTACK.
BY THE WAY, I'M, I'LL WORK WITH CRAIG.
MY NAME IS FRANK DUNN, ONE OF, AND I WAS PART OF THE IMPACT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ALSO.
THE THING THAT, AND I, AND, AND I KNOW THIS 'CAUSE SEVERAL OF MY CUSTOMERS WHO ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE, THEY DEAL WITH HIGH-END, HIGH-END LUXURY, WHICH IS BASICALLY SAYING YOU GOT MILLION DOLLAR RVS COMING IN THERE 'CAUSE THEY JUST PASSING THROUGH.
AND SO THEY ALREADY KNOW THEY'RE NOT STAYING A LONG TIME.
AND SO THEY ALREADY, THEY ALREADY HAVE THIS IN A MANNER.
AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THEY HAVE A, A NETWORK THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT TO SEE HOW THEY COME IN AND DO THAT.
SO WHEN THEY CAME TO US AND I, I FELT GOOD ABOUT THE PROJECT AND NOT ONLY THAT, IT MADE SENSE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THEM, YOU KNOW, IN AREAS.
AND SO I DON'T THINK PERSONALLY IT DIMINISHES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL.
I DON'T, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT ENHANCE IT, BUT IT WON'T HURT.
IT HURT IT AND THEN YOU GOTTA, YOU GOT SOMEBODY TRYING TO MAINTAIN PROPERTY THAT IS NEVER GONNA DO NOTHING IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WORK WITH 'EM.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION? ALRIGHT, THANKS.
UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO QUESO COMMISSIONER WATSON TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS.
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AM OUT OF IT TODAY, AREN'T I? SORRY.SO IF WE COULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, OUR FIRST SPEAKER WE HAVE SIGNED UP IS MR. MARCO HINOJOSA TO BE FOLLOWED BY MS. ALEXIS RAMOS.
UH, AND MY WIFE'S IS ALEXIS, CAN I YIELD HER TIME TO ME? THAT'S OKAY.
MS. RAMOS, CAN YOU JUST SAY IF YOU'RE YIELDING YOUR MINUTES TO, OKAY.
SO THAT GIVES YOU SIX MINUTES.
IT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME MY WIFE LETS ME SPEAK MORE, SO I'M, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
AND DO YOU CONTROL THE POWERPOINT? OKAY, COOL.
UH, HEY COMMISSIONER, IT'S MARK OSA 6 2 2 DELAWARE STREET.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU'ALL SO MUCH FOR CONTINUING THIS CASE.
UH, THE PAST TWO WEEKS I WAS REALLY ABLE TO DIGEST, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS REZONING MEANS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WAS ABLE TO HAVE TIME TO TALK TO MY NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS CASE.
SO, MY POSITION REALLY HASN'T CHANGED MUCH FROM TWO WEEKS AGO.
UH, I STAY STILL STAND IN OPPOSITION AND MY, MY PRESENTATION SAYS IS, UH, BROKEN UP INTO THREE SECTIONS OF WHY I REMAIN OPPOSED TO THIS REZONING CASE.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS SAVE THE, THE SECOND IS ALIGNMENT WITH, UH, ADOPTED CITY PLANS.
AND FINALLY, THIRD IS NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT.
SO WITH SAFETY, UM, RVS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ARE VERY LARGE VEHICLE CLOSED.
UH, TEXAS, UH, STATE REGULATIONS ACTUALLY DO LIMIT THE SIZE OF RVS.
SO WITHIN HEIGHTS IT'S A MAX OF 14 FEET WITH LENGTH IT 45 FEET.
BUT WHAT REALLY CONCERNS ME IS THE WIDTH.
UM, OUR STREETS ARE VERY NARROW IN SIZE, AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND AN EXAMPLE, BUT STATE REQUIREMENTS, UH, LIMITS THE SIZE OF RVS ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF, UH, FEET IN WIDTH.
BUT THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR, UH, OBJECTS LIKE SIDE MIRRORS OR ANY THINGS THAT, UH, A PERSON MIGHT WANT TO ADD TO THE RV.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN URBAN STREET.
YOU KNOW, THIS WAS BUILT PROBABLY WAY BACK WHEN, UH, WHEN CARS, YOU KNOW, WEREN'T A BIG THING.
SO THE STREETS ARE VERY NARROW, LIKE IN TOTAL FROM CURB TO CURB.
THE STREET WIDTH IS ABOUT 25 FEET AND WIDTH.
UH, WE DO HAVE ON STREET PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
MY NEIGHBORS, UM, I LOVE THEM, BUT PARKING'S NOT THEIR, UH, FORTUNE.
AND A LOT OF THEM DO HAVE TRUCKS.
SO THE WIDTH ON BOTH SIDES, UH, FOR ON STREET PARKING IS EIGHT FEET, WHICH ONLY LEAVES ABOUT NINE FEET OF NAVIGO SPACE FOR ANY TYPE OF VEHICLE, UM, TO GO THROUGH.
UH, SO BECAUSE OF THAT REASON, UM, WE DON'T REALLY SEE, YOU KNOW, RV TRAFFIC BEING REALLY A SAFE OPTION, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO STREETS LIKE THIS.
UM, I APPRECIATE STAFF, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS SINCE LAST TIME.
UH, BUT IF THERE'S NO LEGAL WAY TO RESTRICT RV ACCESS AT ALL TO OUR NEIGHBOR STREETS, THIS IS NOT A ARIZONA CASE THAT I CAN SUPPORT.
SO THIS, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA REGIONAL CENTER.
UH, I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH STATE TOMORROW, BUT THIS REGIONAL CENTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 29 AND THERE IS NO MENTION AT ALL ABOUT RVS OR RV PARKS, WHICH MEANS THAT THIS WASN'T REALLY A TYPE OF USE THAT WAS VOICED, UM, AS A, A NEEDED THING IN THIS, UH, AREA.
AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS PROPERTY FALL WITHIN THE FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION OF EMPLOYMENT, UH, FLEX MIX USE.
UH, AND WHAT THAT MEANS BASICALLY IS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS AREA SUPPORTS, YOU KNOW, A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND LIGHT SERVICE INDUSTRIAL USES.
AND RV PARK IS NOT A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, NOT LIGHT SERVICE INDUSTRIAL USE.
WE DO HAVE LIGHT SERVICE INDUSTRIAL USES BY OUR, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU KNOW, THEY MAKE THINGS LIKE CABINETS, UH, THEY FIX AC UNITS, YOU KNOW, VERY SMALL SCALE THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY INVOLVE, YOU KNOW, LARGE VEHICLES, JUST THEIR PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS AND CARS.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTS.
SO, UH, SINCE THE LAST COMMISSION HEARING, UM, I WAS ABLE TO BLOCK WALK BOTH INDIANA AND DELAWARE STREETS WITH PETITION.
UH, JUST INFORM MY NEIGHBORS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE REZONING CASE MEANT AND WHETHER THEY WERE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.
SO I GAVE, I GAVE THEM THE OPTION TO MARK EITHER ONE.
SO I DID A BLOCK WALK ALL THE WAY FROM HOGAN ALL THE WAY TO MESQUITE STREET ON BOTH THOSE STREETS.
AND, UH, THE PETITION, UH, YIELDED, UH, 13 OF MY NEIGHBORS, UH, IN OPPOSITION, UH, TO THIS REZONING CASE.
UH, ONLY ONE OF THEM WAS WITHIN THE 200 FEET AND I THINK STAFF DID MARK THAT.
UH, BUT, UH, TO CRAIG STAFF'S NUMBER OF 10, IT'S ACTUALLY 13.
UH, SOME PEOPLE, UH, PUT BOTH THEIR, BOTH THEIR THEMSELVES AND THEIR SPOUSE'S STATEMENT TO ONE COLUMN.
AND I CAN ACTUALLY SHARE THE PETITION JUST FOR THE RECORD.
UH, SO THAT'S THE MAP AND PETITION.
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IF I HAVE TIME STILL TO A FEW THINGS THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, MENTIONED.YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, BUT ZONING WAS CREATED TO PROTECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE, WELFARE AND SAFETY OF PEOPLE.
IT WAS NOT MEANT TO RELIEVE FINANCIAL BURDENS OF A PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE OF BAD INVESTMENTS.
AND THAT IS IT FOR SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP.
IF THE APPLICANT WOULD READY TO GO? YES, THERE YOU ARE.
UM, YOU HAVE A OPPORTUNITY FOR A SHORT REBUTTAL TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, MR. MARCO, THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
AND I REMEMBER THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE USE, BUT YOUR ISSUES WERE WITH THE, UH, THE STREETS.
AND WE DON'T OWN THE CITY STREETS.
WE CAN'T CONTROL THE CITY STREETS.
AND I WOULDN'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY WOULD TRY TO CROSS THAT RAILROAD TRACK WITH AN RV.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
AND WE WOULD, WE WILL HAVE SIGNAGE AND I PROMISE YOU WE'LL POINT IT TO THIS RV.
SO, SO PART OF THIS IS THAT THE STREETS ARE WIDER, BUT THE ENTRANCE, THE IN IN COMING IN AND OUT CAN COME OFF A MAIN ROAD.
AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT PUTTING SIGNS WHERE THE SIGNS SAY RV PARK, YOU KNOW, JUST THE K O A RV PARK.
I MEAN, THEY GOT THE SIGNS THAT SAY THAT, SO THEY WON'T GO INTO THE RESIDE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT.
I THOUGHT WE HAD IT SETTLED, BUT, UM, I GUESS WE DID.
AND NOW WE GO TO COMMISSIONER WATSON.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I DO HAVE QUITE A BIT FOR DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, I WILL OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UM, FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN DISCUSSION WHENEVER YOU ARE.
UH, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT, UH, COMMISSIONER MR. MONTE.
AND THIS WAS TOUCHED UPON SOMEWHAT BY MR. GLENN DENNING DURING HIS PRESENTATION.
UM, BUT I THINK I AM ONE OF THREE THAT WAS HERE AT THE PREVIOUS CASE IN THE 2019 CASE.
UM, SO CAN STAFF TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT HISTORY AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT CASE, PLEASE? THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS REZONED IN DECEMBER OF 2019 TO IDZ THREE.
AND UNDER THAT IDZ THREE, IT HAD, UH, THE SPECIFIED USES OF C TWO 570 UNITS, A BAR WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT SPORTS COURT, UM, A HO EX EXTENDED STAY HOTEL.
SO, UM, NOW THEY'RE ADDING THE RV USE TO IT AND ACTUALLY LIMITING SOME OF THE PREVIOUS USES.
MR. GLENDENNING, IF YOU WOULD QUESTION SIR, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
SO DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN REDUCING SOME USES OF THE PREVIOUS 2019 CASE AND ADDING THE RV USES, THAT'S WHAT THIS, THAT THAT WAS OUR INTENT AND WE TRIED EVERY WAY WE COULD, COULD, IT'S JUST THE, THE MARKET HAS CHANGED.
NOW, I KNOW YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT AND, AND I'M NOT BLAMING YOU, BUT I RECALL THAT ONE OF THE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS FOR ME PERSONALLY IN MY VOTE TO APPROVE THE 2019 ZONING WAS THE EXISTENCE AND MAINTENANCE OF THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
SO CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE, I KNOW YOU TOUCHED ON IT SOME.
CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED? YES, SIR.
WE, UH, WENT IN, WE LEVELED IT, WE APPOINTED IT, WE GOT PICTURES THAT PROVE THAT WE, WE FIXED THE ROOF, WE STOPPED.
AND WHEN YOU SAID, WHEN YOU SAY LEVEL, YOU MEAN LIKE FOUNDATION LEVEL? YEAH, FOUNDATION.
IT'S FROM GROWING IT, IT WAS 18 TO 18.
I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD IT.
AND, UH, THAT, THAT HAPPENED LATER, AFTER THEY BURNED IT DOWN.
WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE, OUR, OUR PLANS WERE TO TURN THAT INTO A, UM, LIKE AN OUTDOOR MUSIC VENUE WITH THIS AS THE, UH, THE BASIS OF IT, A WINE BAR.
AND SO WE, UH, I MEAN, I, I MEAN WE, WE FIXED IT.
WE, IT WAS LOOKING REALLY GOOD AND,
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UM, GOT PICTURES TO PROVE IT.AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T INSURE IT, BUT THERE WAS A, AS I SAID, A SPATE OF, UH, ARSON THAT WENT ON THERE AND THEY BURNED IT TO THE GROUND.
I MEAN, THERE WAS NOTHING THAT, THAT WAS LEFT THAT WAS WORTH, UH, WORTH FIXING.
SO LET ME ASK YOU, LET ME ASK YOU YES, SIR.
A LITTLE BIT OF CLAR CLARITY ON THAT.
SEEK A LITTLE CLARITY ON THAT.
WHEN YOU SAY IT'S ARSON, THIS WASN'T A CASE WHERE THERE WERE, UH, VAGRANTS IN THERE THAT GOT, WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT.
WE DON'T, WE HAD, DID THEY, UH, UH, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE CAME AND, AND LOOKED AT IT AND THAT WAS, DURING THAT TIME THERE WAS SEVEN OR EIGHT DIFFERENT BUILDINGS IN THE DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE ATTACKED DENVER HEIGHTS AND DIGNITY, RIGHT? THERE WAS, I'M, YEAH.
BOTH THOSE, BOTH THE NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORHOODS.
ANOTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS ALSO SUBJECT TO ARSON ABOUT THAT TIME NOW I SAW, I SAW THAT BUILDING GO UP AND I'VE GOTTA SAY IT BROKE MY HEART, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS FOR MY CONSIDERATION OF THE ZONING.
AND THAT'S ALL THE DISCUSSION I'LL HAVE, UM, DURING MY QUESTIONING, SO, ALRIGHT.
AND I'M, AND I'M, I'M SORRY THAT HAPPENED, BUT IT'S, IT DID.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.
SEE NONE, UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.
UH, COMMISSIONER FUENTES, YOU HAD YOUR END UP FIRST.
ALRIGHT, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE, THERE ARE SIGNS THAT CAN BE PUT UP FOR THROUGH TRAFFIC AND OVERSIZED VEHICLES.
WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS BE FOR GETTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN AND AROUND THAT AREA? UH, FROM THE CITY THEY WOULD WORK WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS OFFICE TO GET THAT SIGNAGE IN PLACE.
AND, UM, WHAT REPERCUSSIONS ARE THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES NOT ABIDING BY THOSE SIGNS? ARE THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING OR IS THERE MORE OF JUST A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WOULD CALL? UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO REPORT THEM TO SS A P D SO THAT THEY COULD MONITOR AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND SEE IF THERE'S FURTHER MITIGATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER REYES, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YES.
INDIANA IS CONSIDERED LOCAL, DELAWARE IS CONSIDERED LOCAL STREET.
WHAT IF, WHAT IS, UH, HOW DO YOU SAY THAT? HOFFEN, WHAT IS THE CLASSIFICATION FOR HOFFEN? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LOCAL, BUT WE'LL VERIFY IT FOR YOU.
WE'LL HAVE TO PULL UP THE MATRIX.
THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION IS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT CAN CARRY TRAFFIC SAFELY BECAUSE THERE'S NO DRIVEWAYS JUST STACKED LIKE YOU HAVE ON DELAWARE AND INDIANA.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY BE A, A COLLECTOR, BUT, BUT AS FAR AS SAFETY, HOFF CAN CARRY TRAFFIC IN MY OPINION.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO DRIVEWAYS JUST STACKED.
I'M NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT EITHER, BUT YES, IT, WELL, AND THEN THE PARKING? THE PARKING YES.
SO NOW FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU HAVE ONE EXISTING ACCESS OFF, OFF OF HOFFAN, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
DO YOU PROPOSE A SECOND ACCESS ON YOUR, ON THIS LAYOUT HERE? IS THERE A SECOND? NO, SIR.
THE, THE, THE OTHER WOULD BE RESERVED FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
IF THIS WAS EVER A 570 UNIT APARTMENT, HOTEL COMPLEX THAT WE'D ENVISIONED TO START WITH, UM, WE WANNA RESERVE THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT AT A LATER DATE, BUT THAT WOULD ONLY BE FOR CARS.
AND, AND, AND, BUT RIGHT NOW WE, WE DUE TO, TO MR. MARCO'S REQUEST, WE, WE, WE, WE RESTRICTED IT TO ONE ENTRY OFF HOUGHTON AVENUE AND THE REST IS SIMPLY FOR EMERGENCY AND FUTURE USE.
AND JUST TO CONFIRM, HOFFEN IS CONSIDERED A COLLECTOR AT THIS POINT.
SO A COLLECTOR STREET WITH ONE ACCESS AND THE OTHER TWO, INDIANA AND DELAWARE ARE LOCAL STREETS AND THERE'LL BE NO ACCESS.
NO ACCESS EXCEPT FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, THEY'LL HAVE AN EMERGENCY DOOR TO GET IN THERE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE.
UM, I I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UH, THE APPLICANT STATED THAT IF THIS WERE TO BE A, UM, RV USE THAT THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO 30 DAYS.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THERE A, A RESTRICTION THAT WE HAVE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SELF-IMPOSED? THERE'S NOT ANYTHING PER THE CURRENT CODE THAT I AM AWARE OF THAT WOULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY COULD STAY.
NOW I DO WANNA ADD THE ONE CLARIFICATION THAT I KNOW WE, UH, COMMISSIONER TORRES WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, ACCESS.
UM, AND ALTHOUGH THEY CAN STATE THAT THEY'RE LIMITING ACCESS, IT MAY COME IN REVIEW TIME AT TRAFFIC REVIEW, THAT THEY DO HAVE TO UTILIZE ONE OF THOSE STREETS FOR ACCESS.
UH, BUT WE CAN'T SAY FOR SURE, I JUST DON'T WANT Y'ALL GOING INTO THIS BLIND.
SOMETIMES THOSE, THOSE ENTRANCES AND EXITS ARE NEEDED OFF
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OF DIFFERENT STREETS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.UM, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR QUESTIONS.
SO BACK TO YOU COMMISSIONER WATSON FOR A MOTION.
UM, I WOULD FIRST OF ALL LIKE TO COMMEND, UH, THE APPLICANT.
I HAVE HAD SUBSTANTIAL CONVERSATIONS, UM, THAT PROVIDED A LOT OF HELPFUL FEEDBACK AND INSIGHT FROM THE DEVELOPER'S POINT OF VIEW AND A, AND A FOCUS AND AN INTENT TO TRY AND ASSIST THE COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, IN WORKING ON THIS CASE, UM, WE'VE, I HAVE DEDICATED PRETTY MUCH EVERY HOUR OF THE LAST FIVE DAYS, UM, TO THIS.
AND, UH, I AM PLEASED THAT THE DEVELOPER, UM, THEIR TEAM HAS BEEN WILLING TO, UM, MEET THAT LEVEL OF EFFORT.
AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND HOW CHALLENGING DEVELOPING A DISTRICT TWO IS.
WE KNOW THAT AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, SPEAKING TO MY OWN EXPERIENCE, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT CAN, UM, SPEAK TO THEIR FEEDBACK.
WE CONTINUE TO NEED USES LIKE THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED 570 UNITS, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ACCESS TO COMMUNITY SERVICES.
THERE'S A DESIRE TO HAVE JOBS CREATED TO KEEP MONEY IN THE DISTRICT, TO HAVE PLACES TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
UM, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF SUBSTANTIAL CHALLENGES, WHICH WE KNOW TO ACHIEVING THAT DEVELOPMENT AFTER MANY YEARS OF UNDERINVESTMENT, UM, AND ADVERSE ZONING IN DISTRICT TWO.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMEND, UM, THE COMMUNITY, UM, THOSE IN FAVOR AND THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS AND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THEIR FEEDBACK ON THIS CASE.
UM, AND REALLY, UM, TO THE SPIRIT OF WHAT IS INTENDED WITH THE SA TOMORROW PLAN AND OUR FUTURE ASPIRATIONS FOR THE CITY, TRYING TO HONOR THE HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED, UH, TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA REGIONAL PLAN.
BUT SINCE THIS ISN'T DENVER HEIGHTS, IT IS ALSO IMPACTED, IF NOT TECHNICALLY, UM, IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION BY SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PROPOSED EAST SIDE COMMUNITY PLAN.
THE DRAFTS OUT THERE, UM, AND WAS FINISHED IN FEBRUARY OF 2022.
AND I ATTENDED A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH DENVER HEIGHTS MEMBERS, UM, AND GATHERED FEEDBACK ABOUT DESIRING WHAT THIS INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS PRIOR TO THE RV USE.
UM, BEING THERE IN ALL, ALL AREAS OF THE EAST SIDE.
UM, AND SIMILAR, SIMILAR FEELINGS ARE EXPRESSED IN THE CURRENTLY ACTIVE, UM, ARENA DISTRICT PLAN.
UH, THAT IMPACTS OUR AREA, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, REFLECTING THE FACT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, OPPOSES THIS.
UM, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL.
UM, AND, UH, I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, AS MUCH AS I THINK THE DEVELOPER IS HERE OR THE OWNER IS HERE IN GOOD FAITH AND WANTS TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS, UM, THE THINGS THAT ARE OF CONCERN ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR RV SITE USE, UH, RELATED TO PARKING AND TRAFFIC, UM, THE IMPACT OF LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA, ARE THINGS THAT, UM, ARE NOT REALLY ENFORCEABLE WITH ZONING.
AND THIS IS A LAND USE DECISION.
UM, AND, UH, SOME OF THOSE CONCESSIONS REGARDING TRAFFIC CONTROL, UM, ACCESS A DESIRE FOR THIS TO BE A TEMPORARY USE ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE REALLY ENFORCEABLE.
UM, AS WE KNOW ZONING IS FOREVER.
SO, UH, IF THE ECONOMIC WINDS CHANGE AGAIN, UM, THEN THIS RV USE MAY BE THERE FOR ETERNITY UNTIL SOMEONE HAS TO REZONE IT AGAIN, UM, AND GO THROUGH A SIMILARLY PROHIBITIVE AND CHALLENGING PROCESS.
UM, A NUMBER OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP IN REASONINGS WHY THIS USE IS NEEDED, UM, THAT I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON SPECIFICALLY, UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE MENTIONED IN THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, UM, THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, UH, ARE TO DO WITH THE QUIET ZONE IN THIS AREA.
AND THAT BEING AN OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING BEING DEVELOPED THAT IS MIXED USE IN APARTMENTS.
UM, THE QUIET ZONE IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN WORKED ON IS CONTINUING TO BE WORKED ON BY A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING THE COUNCIL OFFICE IN THE EAST SIDE.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, FEDERAL, FEDERAL REQUIREMENT, FEDERALLY ENFORCED.
UM, IT DOES NOT GET ENFORCED IN THE EXISTING AREAS OF DISTRICT TWO WHERE IT HAPPENS.
AND SO EVEN IF THE DESIRE IS FOR THIS TO BE A TEMPORARY USE, UM, IN THE HOPES THAT THAT QUIET ZONE IS EVENTUALLY IMPLEMENTED, CURRENTLY, THE COSTS ARE PROHIBITIVE AND IT'S NOT A CITY DECISION.
UM, AND SO ASKING THE EAST SIDE COMMUNITY THAT HAS WORKED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, UM, TO TRY AND GET ADDITIONAL HOUSING, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL MIXED USE IN SPITE OF ALL OF THE OBSTACLES THAT WE KNOW EXIST IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL CONDITIONS TO DEVELOP IT, UM, TO ASSIST A PROPERTY, ONE PRETEND, ONE SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, WITH THEIR PROHIBITIVE COST EXPERIENCE, UM, I THINK IS ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO SETTLE AND DOESN'T REFLECT, UH, THE HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND DECADES OF WORK.
AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEIR WILL FOR THIS AREA IS TO SEE THE ECONOMIC FLUX MIXED USE TO SEE NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ACTUALLY CREATE MULTIPLE JOBS.
UM, AND TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER COMES INTO THIS AREA BENEFITS LOCAL RESIDENTS.
UM, WE'VE SEEN SIMILAR KINDS OF PROPOSALS IN OTHER AREAS OF THE EAST SIDE AND THE FOLLOW THROUGH IN TERMS OF ATTRACTING ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT HAS NOT BEEN THERE.
UM, ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO EXPECT, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UM, TO THAT, THAT THAT WILL SOMEHOW MAGICALLY HAPPEN WITH THIS PROJECT, I THINK IS UNFAIR.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES PERMITTED.
UM, YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THE 570 UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
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IS POTENTIALLY AS MUCH ADVERSE IMPACT, UM, AND DETRACTION FACTOR IN TERMS OF ATTRACTING PEOPLE TO USE AN RV PARK THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE QUIET ZONE.UM, IF THERE IS A NEED TO COVER COSTS, THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS THAT WOULD REQUIRE JUST AS SUBSTANTIAL OF INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT AS PUTTING IN AN RV PARK WOULD.
UM, AND SO, UH, I THINK WITH THE WILL OF THE COMMUNITY SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT, UM, TRUSTING IN FAITH, SOME OF THESE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THIS PROMOTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BEING CHEAPER, ET CETERA, UM, ARE, ARE OF CONCERN.
UM, AND, UH, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE I KNOW IS NOT, NOT BEING BURNED DOWN IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER DEVELOPER IN THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT.
UM, BUT THAT WAS A VERY BIG AREA OF CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, THAT WE HAD SO MANY STRUCTURES BURNED DOWN IN SUCH A SHORT SPAN OF TIME, CONTINUED TO ERODE TRUST AND RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER DEVELOPMENT WA INTENTIONS WERE GOOD OR BAD.
UM, AND CONSIDERING THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS REFLECTED, UM, AS DESIRABLE IN THE AREA PLANS OR IN THE MAJORITY OF OPINION THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY, UM, I'M MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL.
ALRIGHT, MOTION IS FOR DENIAL WITH A SECOND.
UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT DISCUSSION.
SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER'S ON MY RIGHT.
UM, YEAH, I'M SECONDING THIS, THIS, UH, DECISION, UH, THIS MOTION, UM, FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
ONE OF THEM BEING THAT WHAT WE DEAL WITH HERE IS LAND USE.
UH, THERE AREN'T MANY WAYS THAT WE CAN ENFORCE THE THINGS THE COMMUNITY NEEDS IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS TO GO FORWARD.
AND THAT'S A GREAT CONCERN, UH, OF MINE.
UM, COMMISSIONER WATSON PUT MANY OF THE POINTS VERY, VERY WELL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST INCREASE THE STRENGTH OF THE CASE FOR THIS NOT TO PROCEED FORWARD.
UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE PROPOSALS COMING IN THAT, UH, BOTH HAVE THE DEVELOPERS AND THE COMMUNITY IN MIND AND I KNOW THAT IT CAN HAPPEN.
IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE AS LONG AS WE WORK IN COLLABORATION.
UH, BUT WITH THAT I WILL SECOND THE MOTION TO DENY.
OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONER REYES? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO IF WE DO THIS, UH, ZONING CHANGE, WHAT, EXCUSE ME.
WHAT OTHER CHA WHAT OTHER USES ARE ALLOWED? MY BET, IF WE DENY IT, IF IT'S DENIED, IT'LL STAY THE EXISTING ZONING, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL IDZ THREE, UM, WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL, MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS, NOT TO EXTEND 570 UNITS BAR WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IN A SPORTS COURT.
COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE, I BELIEVE YOU HAD YES, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS MR. GLENN DENNING TOUCHED UPON, AS COMMISSIONER WATSON TOUCHED UPON THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UM, WAS IMPORTANT TO MY CONSIDERATION OF THIS CASE, UH, WHICH WAS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, UH, BACK IN 2019.
UM, THIS CASE, HOWEVER, IS MORE DIFFICULT FOR ME THAN FREQUENTLY, AND I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, UH, IN PART BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BODY THAT'S CONCERNED WITH MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING LAND USE.
AND WHEN WE DRIVE, WELL, WHEN I DRIVE UP AND DOWN HOFFEN, WHICH I DO FREQUENTLY OR HOWEVER ONE PRONOUNCES IT, UM, OR CHERRY THAT SORT OF BRACKETS THIS AREA, UH, WHAT I SEE IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL, A LOT OF POTENTIAL THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING MISUSED AND THE LAND IS BEING MISUSED.
AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER WATSON'S POINT REGARDING, YOU KNOW, SETTLING OR, UM, GETTING DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY NOT BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WHAT I SEE THE NEED FOR HERE IS A CATALYST, SOMETHING THAT WILL PROVIDE AN IMPETUS FOR GREATER DEVELOPMENT ALONG THIS AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS BESIDES REESE BROTHERS BARBECUE HAS FOR TOO LONG BEEN IGNORED.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IDEAL.
IT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD WANT, NOT MY LAND.
I CAN'T GIVE THE MONEY TO BANKROLL IT.
AND SO, ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE THE OPPOSITION IN PLACE, I, I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO IMPROVE THAT PORTION OF DISTRICT TWO.
I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO, AND I HATE THIS WORD SYNERGISTICALLY, UH, PUSH FORWARD SOME DEVELOPMENT IN LIGHT
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OF THE U T SS A GAMES THAT RV PARK SEEMS LIKE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN SOME FOLKS THERE.UM, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, AND WITH ALL RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER WATSON, ALL RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER FUENTES, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENT? UH, JUST AS A FOLLOW-UP, I EXTREMELY RESPECT, UH, COMMISSIONER BUS'S POINT.
UM, AND HE'S NOT WRONG ABOUT THE NEED FOR CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENT ON CORRIDORS IN THE EAST SIDE.
AND, UH, HE'S NOT WRONG ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING TO DO THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE SEEN SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS, INCLUDING SEVERAL, I HAVE SUPPORTED DURING MY TIME ON THIS COMMISSION, UH, THAT REQUIRED INNOVATIVE FINANCING MECHANISMS, UM, AND ALLOWED MORE DENSE USES THAN HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO I DO KNOW IT IS POSSIBLE AND, UM, AS A RESULT OF TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE CATALYST, UM, FACTOR, AN RV PARK USE IS ATTRACTING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HERE INTO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THAT IS THE, ANY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OR SERVICES THAT COULD SPRING UP AROUND THAT, UM, ARE GOING TO REFLECT THOSE NEEDS RATHER THAN THE NEEDS OF EXISTING RESIDENTS, WHICH I THINK IS REFLECTED IN THE OPPOSITION EXPRESSED.
AND IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP WITH PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE EAST SIDE, UH, NAMELY THE ALAMO DOME AND THE AT AND T CENTER NOW, I SUPPOSE IT'S CALLED THE FROST CENTER, UM, THAT THERE WILL BE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS DRIVEN BY SPORTS ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS.
THERE IS NOT FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT.
AND I THINK RELYING ON THAT FACTOR AS A CATALYST FOR DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT FOR THE LAST DECADE PLUS THAT SA 2020 AND SA TOMORROW HAVE BEEN WORKED TOWARDS IN TERMS OF SEEING COMMERCIAL FOLLOW, SEEING CORRIDOR REINVESTMENT FOLLOW SEEING BANKS WANNA FINANCE ANYTHING FOLLOWING.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS AND APPROVING SOMETHING THAT COULD BE IN BE IN PERPETUITY THAT'S EXPRESSED NOWHERE IN THE PLANS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY THE COMMUNITY, UM, WOULD BE, UH, A MISTAKE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA HOLD FAST TO THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSCORE SECOND AND APPRECIATE, UM, THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE NEED FOR REINVESTMENT ON THE EAST SIDE THAT COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE, UM, BROUGHT UP AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO REFLECT ON THAT, WHO'S CONSIDERING DEVELOPING ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, BUT ALSO, UM, I I DISAGREE WITH HIS CONCLUSION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO ALL OF YOU
ANY COMMISSIONER BARDOS? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS, UH, I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION THE WAY IT IS.
I'M GONNA BE, UM, IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.
IT, IT, THIS AREA IS AN EYESORE, HAS GRAFFITI TRASH.
I DRIVE THERE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK AND I THINK IT NEEDS SYNERGY LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE MENTIONED.
UH, IT, IT JUST NEEDS SOMEONE TO TAKE THE RISK AND CLEAN IT UP AND BRING OTHER DEVELOPMENT TO THAT AREA.
SO I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
ANY FINAL DISCUSSION? LOOKING LEFT.
MOTION IS FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER WATSON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER? QUICK QUESTION.
THIS IS THE FIRST CONSIDERATION OF THIS CASE.
SECOND AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUATION.
I WILL, UH, MOVE TO RECONSIDER SECOND.
MOTION TO RECONSIDER BY COMMISSIONER BUSTA MONTE.
THAT WAS YOU COMMISSIONER BUS, UH, BARROS, RIGHT? YES.
AND I, I I MOVE TO RECONSIDER.
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PASSES.SO, UH, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION.
I MOVE, UH, TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AS SUBMITTED.
THE, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN BY COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARDOS.
IF WE COULD NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE.
IF WE COULD, OH, SORRY, WHAT AM I FORGETTING? NO, UM, JUST SAYING ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
UH, WE MEANT TO ADD THIS TO THE CONTINUANCE THE APPLICANT IS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND, SO THEY'RE REQUESTING AN CONTINUANCE TO, UM, OCTOBER 3RD FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
UH, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE, THIS IS YOUR, UH, MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE TO THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
MOTION TO THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT TO THE OCTOBER 3RD.
IS THAT WHAT WE SAID? CORRECT.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES.
WAIT, I JUST WANNA ASK FOR THE RECORD, WAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK SINCE IT WAS PUT ON INDIVIDUAL? THANK YOU.
THERE IS NO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK Y'ALL ALL FOR KEEPING ME IN LINE TODAY,
ALRIGHT, MOTION IS TO CONTINUE.
WE COULD HAVE STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
MY NAME IS ADOLFO GONZALEZ, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS LOCATED AT 3 3 1 4 NORTH ST.
MARY'S GOING FROM NNC TO N C C D NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR A PARKING LOT.
THERE WERE 31 NOTICES SENT OUT.
ONE IMPOSED RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARE IN SUPPORT AND SEVEN IN FAVOR.
OUTSIDE 200 FEET THE EXISTING NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED N C C D NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR A PARKING LOT IS ALSO AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED REZONING WILL MAINTAIN THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT WHILE ADDING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT.
THE APPLICANT OWNS THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET WITH PLANS TO DEVELOP A RETAIL VINTAGE SHOP AND UTILIZE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR PARKING WITH NO ALLOWABLE SPACE ON THE STREET FOR PARKING.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD MEET A NEED FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE COMMERCIAL GROWTH.
THE CONDITIONAL USE WILL BE BOUND TO A PRESCRIBED SITE PLAN THAT CANNOT BE CHANGED WITHOUT FURTHER COUNCIL REVIEW.
STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE, OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I BROUGHT MY BAG UP HERE ACTUALLY, SO I'M JUST GONNA SET AROUND.
UM, I'M HERE WITH MY WIFE NATALIE MEDINA.
UH, OUR HOME ADDRESS IS 1 0 1 CLIFFSIDE DRIVE AU PARK.
UM, SO YES, WE HAVE THIS, UM, A VACANT LOT THAT'S, UH, ADJACENT TO SOME PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO TURN INTO.
IT IS C TWO ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND NC UM, ON THE VACANT LOT.
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WE WANNA PROVIDE PARKING FOR NOT ONLY THE STAFF OF OF THESE COMMERCIAL SHOPS, BUT ALSO FOR, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE GONNA BE SUPPORTING US AS WELL.WE HAVE A LITTLE, UH, SLIDE SHOW IF WE CAN IN, UM, YEAH, WE CAN KIND OF GO DOWN.
SO WE, FROM OUR, THIS IS A CONTINUANCE FROM OUR LAST MEETING WHERE WE HAD A, UM, A VERY POORLY DRAWN, UH, SITE PLAN BY MYSELF.
AND NOW WE HAVE A MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL SITE PLAN THAT NATALIE, UM, DID.
UM, BUT WE HAD A MEETING WITH UM, UH, P P R ON PRELIMINARY PLAN MEETING THIS LAST FRIDAY WHERE WE WENT OVER, UH, THE SITE PLAN BEING RIO ONE OVERLAY WITH, UM, ZONING, UM, TREES AMONG OTHER THINGS.
WE TOOK PRETTY MUCH ALL THOSE, UM, FINDINGS TO APPLY TO OUR PREVIOUS SITE PLAN.
UM, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE BUFFERS SPACING.
MARY'S UM, IS A 25 FEET GAP, WHICH WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM THE RIO ONE OVERLAY.
UM, ON THIS WE HAVE UH, KIND OF THE SHRUBS TALKING ABOUT THE FENCING.
UM, LEMME GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE FROM THERE.
UM, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE T I A, UM, WHICH IS AGAIN, UH, THROUGH THE, THE P P R WAS SAID.
WE DON'T NEED TO GET, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 15 PEAK HOUR TRIPS THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKING WE HAVE AND THE, UM, STREET COMPARED TO, I THINK IT'S A 75 NEEDED.
UM, THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT TALKS ABOUT ST.
UH, AGAIN, THE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE SIDE OF, WE ARE NOT ON THE STRIP SIDE, WE ARE ON THE OPPOSING SIDE KIND OF BY A STOPLIGHT.
THERE'S NOT A TON OF TRAFFIC THERE.
WE CAN MAYBE GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
HERE'S A LITTLE RENDERING AS WELL.
MARY'S, UM, NEXT TO US WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE PICKET FENCE ON THE LONG SIDE OF THE PARKING, UH, THAT IS COMMERCIAL.
UM, WE HAVE A VETERINARY CLINIC THERE, SO THAT FENCE WOULD BE GOING AGAINST THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UM, YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING ON THAT? NOT REALLY.
CAN I JUST GO BACK ONE AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY 'CAUSE LAST TIME THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW BUSY THAT SECTION OF ST.
MARY'S IS AND IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A LOCAL B ACCORDING TO TRAFFIC.
UM, SO IT IS A LESS BUSY SECTION THAN OTHER PARTS OF ST.
AND YESTERDAY WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, AND WE SHARED AND DISCUSSED THE SITE PLAN THAT'S INCLUDED ON THIS PRESENTATION.
AND THEY ALSO SHARED QUESTIONS AND LATER EMAILED SOME CONDITIONS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HEAR ABOUT, UM, DURING THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND WE LOOKED INTO SOME, UH, CURRENT AND FUTURE OPTIONS FOR PEDESTRIAN, UH, THINGS.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT'S, WE'RE NOT USING IT, WE DO NOT QUALIFY FOR ANY, UM, CROSSWALKS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT SOME THINGS WE CAN DO CURRENTLY OR AFTER IT'S BUILT, WE CAN DISPLAY A SIGN INSIDE THE PARKING LOT THAT, UH, TELLING FOLKS THAT THE VEHICLES HAVE RIGHT OF WAY AND TO POINT PUT ARROWS OR ILLUSTRATE IN SOME WAY.
UM, THERE'S CROSSWALKS AT EAST MULBERRY ARE ON 2 81 FOR PEDESTRIAN RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THERE ARE SIGNAGE PARAMETERS FOR RIO, SO WE WILL NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT EXACTLY WE CAN SAY AND HOW IT'S ILLUSTRATED, BUT WE CAN DO A FORM OF THAT.
UH, DUE TO CURRENT TRAFFIC, I'VE BEEN AT THE PROPERTY AND I THINK OTHERS AGREE WITH ME, THAT THE CURRENT BIKE TRAFFIC WOULD CONSTITUTE A BIKE LANE TO BE INSTALLED.
THERE IS A SIGN, UM, FOR BIKE DIRECTIONAL BIKE SIGN SHOWING FOLKS ON BICYCLES WHERE TO GO LIKE THE Y M C A AND AND BRACKENRIDGE AND THERE IS HEAVY BIKE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD ALREADY.
SO IT DOES, UH, QUALIFY FOR THAT.
SO I THINK A REQUEST COULD BE AN ORDER AND IN THE FUTURE IF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WE'RE ABLE TO SHOW, UM, BASED ON, AND WHAT THIS SCREENSHOT IS FROM IS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC CALMING HANDBOOK.
I THINK IT'S FROM TRAFFIC AND, UM, WE COULD REQUEST EITHER A STOP OR YIELD SIGN WITH A CROSSWALK OR EVEN A CHOKER.
UM, IN OUR MEETING YESTERDAY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO, UH, IMPROVE OR UPDATE THE SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY THINK IS VALUABLE.
A CHOKER, WHICH IS LIKE THE, UM, PAVEMENT KIND OF MEETING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SO THAT THE 36 FEET BECOMES SMALLER, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO CROSS AT THAT SECTION IF WE CAN SHOW PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
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NEXT, I'M REAL QUICK, I'M GONNA JUMP IN ON THAT.THE, UM, I HAD BEEN EMAILING PUBLIC WORKS.
IT'S NOT ATTAINABLE, UM, TO THE PUBLIC.
I FOUND OUT ONCE I GOT DOWN THERE.
UM, BUT I HAD, UM, THROUGH TALKING WITH, UM, UH, ZONING AND TRAFFIC HERE IN HOUSE, THEY GAVE ME A FEW CONTACT NUMBERS.
UH, I HAVE BEEN EMAILING, CALLING, RECEIVED NOTHING BACK ON THAT.
BUT THROUGH THE P P R MEETING FRIDAY, I GOT A NEW CONTACT.
I EMAILED, UM, HER MONDAY MORNING, UM, BECAUSE OUR, OUR MEETING FRIDAY RAN LATE.
UM, AND I ACTUALLY GOT A RESPONSE FROM HER ABOUT 10 MINUTES BEFORE THIS MEETING CURRENTLY, WHERE, UM, SHE'S GOING TO HELP ME AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFO ON THAT GOING FORWARD.
AND SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH WE'VE DONE SINCE LAST TIME IS WE'VE OP DONE AN OPEN RECORDS FOR A POLICE CRASH REPORT AND ANY INCIDENTAL DATA ASSOCIATED WITH THE INTERSECTION AND THE ADDRESS.
ALSO, THERE IS A RETIRED BUS STOP IN FRONT OF 33 14 AND WE HAVE ASKED TO VIA THROUGH OPEN RECORDS FOR ANY INFORMATION IF IT WAS RETIRED DUE TO SOMETHING BAD HAPPENING OR JUST LACK OF USE.
UM, AND ANY INFORMATION REGARDING TO THAT.
AND JUST LIKE COHEN SAID, WE'VE INQUIRED TO PUBLIC WORKS, UM, FOR AT LEAST AT THE VERY LEAST PEDESTRIAN SIGN.
UM, AND ALSO THE, THE BIKE LANE AS WELL.
AND I DID WANNA ADDRESS SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM LAST TIME.
UM, A COUPLE OF THE VOICEMAILS CITED THE U D C, UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME CLARITY TO THOSE CITATIONS.
ONE OF THE VOICEMAILS SAID THAT THE RIO ONE OVERLAY EXPLICITLY DISCOURAGES DESIGNATED PARKING LOTS AS A PRIMARY LAND USE AS INCITING PARKING LOTS SHOULD BE AVOIDED AS A PRIMARY LAND USE.
ON THE LEFT PHOTO IS A SCREENSHOT OF THE UT UH, U D C AND IT SAYS PARKING LOT SHOULD BE AVOIDED AS A PRIMARY LAND USE.
PARKING LOTS AS PRIMARY LAND USE ARE PERMITTED, PROHIBITED IN RIO THREE AND RIO SEVEN FOR ALL PROPERTIES THAT FALL WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE RIVER CREEK OR RIGHT OF WAY.
SO YES, THEY'RE DISCOURAGED, THEY'RE NOT PROHIBITED.
UM, THE CHART BELOW ILLUSTRATES HOW TO GO ABOUT HAVING A PARKING LOT.
UM, IN RIO ONE, WE, WE ARE RIO ONE.
AND SO THE, THE MAX PERCENT COVERAGE OF THE LOT LINE WOULD BE AT 50% IF WE, UH, WERE TO HAVE A PARKING LOT THERE.
THE SECOND ONE IS THAT THE RIO STATES THAT LARGE EXPANSES OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON STREET ACTIVITY AND PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
UM, ON THE RIGHT THERE IS A SCREENSHOT ALSO OF THE U D C AND I, THAT'S NOT A STANDALONE STATEMENT.
UM, THE STATEMENT SAYS THAT AUTOMOBILE PARKING AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS MUST BE BALANCED WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF ACTIVE ENVIRONMENTS.
LARGE EXPANSES OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON STREET ACTIVITY AND THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, NEW COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES CAN ACCOMMODATE PARKING NEEDS AND CONTRIBUTE TO A PEDESTRIAN, UH, FRIENDLY STREET SCAPE.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR TODAY, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
AND WE, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE DO.
WE HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
IF WE COULD HEAR THE VOICEMAILS, PLEASE.
WE ARE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THE SPEAKER FIRST.
UM, I HAVE MS. GEMMA KENNEDY, GEMMA, I AM SORRY.
LET ME HAVE YOU, LET ME JUST PASS
ACTUALLY, THIS IS A RARITY FOR RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M HEAD OF, UH, CO-CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, UH, FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE SENT IN THIS LETTER WAS SOME CONDITIONS AND I JUST WANTED TO REVIEW IT.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA START OUT, WE SUPPORT AND APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE FOR A PARKING LOT.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS, AND THIS IS SORT OF A CONSENSUS.
WE ALL CAME TO THE PEOPLE ON OUR COMMITTEE, UH, MYSELF, PATRICIA PRT, BARBARA WHI, HOW JOHN LAR CADE, SETH TEAL AND AMY HARTMAN HAVE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMITTEE FOR A WHILE.
AND WE REVIEWED, UH, ALL THESE PLANS AND, UH, AS, UH, NATALIE AND COLLINS SAID
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ON SEPTEMBER 18TH, THE PLANNING COMMITTEE MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.WE DISCUSSED, THEY SHOWED US THE NEW PLAN AND WHY I'M REALLY, UH, FIXATED ON THE SITE PLAN.
THAT IS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT I REALLY WANNA HAVE FUNCTIONAL SITE PLAN TO BE GOING TO COUNCIL.
ALSO, IF THE SITE PLAN, AND, AND NATALIE HAS BEEN DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB AND LOOKING THAT IF IT HAS, BECAUSE IT'S A RIO AND IT GOES TO O H P, THIS WILL ALSO FACILITATE IT GOING THROUGH THERE.
AND MAYBE AS AN APPROVAL, WE PUT SOME CONDITIONAL, UH, USES.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED WITH CHRISTIE.
AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING IS WHEN THE SITE PLAN GOES, IT'LL HAVE APPROPRIATE, EXCUSE ME, APPROPRIATE SETBACKS ALONG THE STREET, AN ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY THAT SITS RIGHT BEHIND THAT.
AND SO WE ALWAYS WANNA PROTECT THAT SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY.
AND FROM THE SITE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES ON THE TOP OF THAT, THEY HAVE TREES, THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE THING.
THE PERSON WHO'S LIVING THERE IS FOR THIS PARKING GARAGE.
AND, UH, THE PEOPLE LIVING DOWN ON SATCH ARE ALSO, UH, NOT PARKING, GARAGE SURFACE PARKING LOT, UH, NUMBER THREE.
AND SO THEY'RE DOING ALL THE BUFFERING AND THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
AND THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME MORE REQUIREMENTS AS THEY LOOK MORE INTO THE RIO OVERLAY.
UH, WE, WE WERE TALKING WITH THEM AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE PERVIOUS COVER ON THIS PARKING SPACE AS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU GO TO D S D, THEY LIKE THEIR ASPHALT IN CONCRETE, BUT ALSO IN THE RIO THERE ARE WAYS TO DO A PERVIOUS COVER.
SO WE'RE GONNA EXPLORE THAT WITH THEM AND HOPEFULLY, UH, THEY HAD SUGGESTED THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO DO, LIKE TO DO THAT.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
THE HOURS OF OPERATION, IF YOU'RE IN THE RIO, UH, YOU HAVE A SHORT TIME FROM SEVEN TO SEVEN AND SOMETIMES SEVEN TO SIX WITH D S D, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THEIR STORES OPEN UNTIL, UH, ABOUT EIGHT AND THEN CLOSE THE PARKING LOT AT NINE.
WE, WE CONSIDER THAT AND WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT KIND OF CONDITION.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE THE PARKING LOT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR GATES ARE, ARE APPROPRIATELY LOCKED FOR THIS PARKING LOT.
WE HAVE A HORRIBLE THING IF YOU PUT A CHAIN ACROSS AND SAYS YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT PARKING, IT DOESN'T STAY THERE VERY LONG IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT FENCING AND WE PUT THE SIX FOOT FENCE ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SIX FOOT METAL FENCE.
AND WHY WE LIKE THAT THE BARS ARE SEPARATED ENOUGH THAT ONE OF THE RES UH, REQUIREMENTS IS THAT YOU HAVE CLEAR VISION.
SO WHEN I COME OUT ON WE SET STREET, OR I'M COMING OUTTA THIS PARKING LOT, I CAN SEE RIGHT AND LEFT.
THIS KIND OF FENCING IS OPEN ENOUGH TO ALLOW CLEAR VIEW.
UH, THEY, THEY WERE TALKING THAT MAYBE THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO A FOUR FOOT FENCE.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD FELT LIKE A SIX FOOT FENCE WOULD BE ALMOST BETTER.
WE DO HAVE A LOT OF VACANCIES.
WE DO HAVE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING A LOT OF PLANTING AND BUFFER WORK.
UH, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM ON, ON WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THEM.
THE RIO USUALLY, ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF NORTH ST.
MARY STREET, THE ENTRANCE, THEY REQUIRE, UH, ABOUT THREE FOOT FENCE.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S FOR SIGHT AND CLEAR VISION.
NUMBER SEVEN IS ALWAYS A MANDATORY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS NO ALCOHOL.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO ATTACH AN NA ONTO THIS.
AND YOU WOULD SAY, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT IN A PARKING LOT? THIS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD STRONGLY FEELS ABOUT ADDING, UH, NON-ALCOHOL TO IT.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE ADJACENT TO THE PARTY STREET DOWN NORTH, THE REST OF NORTH ST.
AND THINGS HAPPEN IN PARKING LOTS AND WE JUST WANT LIKE A, AN NA ATTACHED TO IT.
THE LIGHTING, THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THIS.
WE'LL BE LOW TO THE GROUND WITHOUT GLARE.
WE HAVE A A HOME IN THE BACK AND WE HAVE HOUSES DOWN THE STREET.
THE BUSINESS IS ON THE SIDEWALK, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THEIR LOW TO THE GROUND LIGHTING.
AND UH, THAT STREET GETS BUSY AT TIMES AND IT'S SLOW AT TIMES.
AND IF YOU'RE DOING ANY ZOO THINGS, YOU'RE VERY BUSY.
AND IN FACT YOU'RE BACKED UP ONTO NORTH 2 81 FOR ST.
MARY'S, IT'S A URBAN CORRIDOR,
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FOUR AND IT'S A LOCAL STREET, BUT IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE, UH, MAIN ENTRANCES INTO BRACKENRIDGE PARK.WE HAVE BEEN WORKING PARTLY WITH TOBIN HILL AND UH, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO GET, UH, A D A COMPLIANCE SIDEWALKS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BIKE LANES AND SO WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT NOW IF THAT THEY DO HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT SUPPOSEDLY, BUT TO GET THAT DONE, I'M NOT TOO SURE SAFETY, THEY DO WHIP AROUND THAT CORNER AS YOU'RE COMING OFF NORTH ST.
BUT WE DECIDED AT THE TIME OF DAY WHEN THESE BUSINESSES WOULD BE USED MOST OF THE TIME EXCEPT AT LUNCHTIME.
UH, THIS PROBABLY IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM AT THIS TIME AND WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THIS.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UH, WE SUPPORT THIS.
I LIVE AT ONE 50 O STREET DRIVE RIVER ROAD DISTRICT.
MY PHONE NUMBER IS SEVEN THREE TWO SIX FOUR SIX THREE.
I'M CALLING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NINE, ZONING CASE Z 2020.
I LIVE AT ONE 50 OSTROM DRIVE IN THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 732-6463.
I'M CALLING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NINE, ZONING CASE Z 20 23 1 0 7 0 0 1 9 4 CD.
THE REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR PARKING LOT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONE LOCATED AT 2314 NORTH ST.
MARY STREET, 33 14, EXCUSE ME, I AM AGAINST GRANTING THE ZONING CHANGE.
MY HUSBAND AND I OWN FIVE PROPERTIES IN THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE SUPPORTED THE ZONING CHANGE TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL JUST A FEW SHORT YEARS AGO, SPECIFICALLY TO AVOID THE TYPE OF USE BEING REQUESTED A PARKING LOT.
THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ISSUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BECOME INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT AS TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED OVER THE YEARS.
MARY STREET ENTRANCE, WHICH IS ONLY ONE OF TWO ACCESS POINTS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PATRONS ENTERING AND LEAVING THIS PARKING LOT IN THIS LOCATION WILL FURTHER EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK TRAFFIC TIMES AND SPECIAL EVENTS THAT ARE HELD IN THE PARK AND AT PARK DESTINATIONS.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS CHANGE TO THE ZONING, DO SO WITH SPECIFIC ENFORCEABLE STIPULATIONS AND CONDITIONS.
INCLUDE THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE CEASE IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD SO THAT THE PROPERTY REVERTS TO ITS BASE ZONING OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND RIO ONE OVERLAY THAT PERVIOUS LOT COVERAGE IS USED TO FACILITATE DRAINAGE AND PERMIT RAINWATER TO PERMEATE THE SUBSURFACE THAT THE HOURS OF AVAILABILITY OF THE LOT BE ONLY FROM 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND THAT THE PARKING LOT HAVE PROPER GATES THAT CLOSE AND LOCK WHEN THE LOT IS CLOSED THAT NO ALCOHOL BE SOLD ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT LIGHTING MINIMIZE LIGHT POLLUTION TO THE OVERALL AREA AND ESPECIALLY TO ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
I HOPE YOU WILL NOT GRANT THE ZONING CHANGE, BUT IF YOU DO DO SO WITH ENFORCEABLE STIPULATIONS AND CONDITIONS TO ASSIST IN LIMITING THE IMPACT TO THOSE OF US WHO LIVE CLOSE BY AND WHO SUPPORTED THE ZONING CHANGE TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL JUST A FEW SHORT YEARS AGO.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE.
I RESIDE AT 1 1 3 LINDELL PLACE, 7 8 2 1 2 IN THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER, UH, Z DASH 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 7 0 0 1 9 4.
MARY'S 7 8 2 1 2 CONDITIONAL USE, UH, HEARING FOR A PARKING LOT.
I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT I AS AN INDIVIDUAL AM IN SUPPORT, UH, OF THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE PARKING LOT.
UH, IF YOU NEED TO REACH ME, I CAN BE REACHED AT 2 1 0 6 6 5 0 6 0 7.
AND THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD WANT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SHORT REBUTTAL, PLEASE
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YOU CAN GO.SO, UM, A REBUTTAL FOR, WELL SOME OF THE VOICEMAILS OR VOICEMAIL THIS TIME.
UM, ASKING FOR THE ZONING TO DROP OFF AFTER SALE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE OR AFTER IF WE DON'T OWN IT ANYMORE? UM, AND THAT BEING SAID, ONE, THIS PIECE OF LAND HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED IN A VERY LONG TIME.
UM, THERE WE'VE BEEN INFORMED NOW THAT I THINK THERE WAS EITHER A GROCERY STORE OR BAR THERE POSSIBLY 30 OR MORE YEARS AGO.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 7,000 SQUARE FEET WITH THESE SETBACKS.
THERE MAY BE END UP BEING MORE OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, UM, TO PUT A STRUCTURE ON IT THAT HAS PARKING AS WELL.
UM, WOULD BE A SIMILAR FOOTPRINT AND UM, HAVE ALMOST THE SAME SETBACKS.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A FEW THINGS DIFFERENT FOR THE STREET SIDE, BUT ALSO A SETBACK FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING OF HOW CLOSE IT CAN BE TO THE DIFFERENT EDGES.
UM, SO IF IT WERE TO JUST BE SOMETHING IN WITHIN NC ZONING, IT WOULD HAVE A SIMILAR EFFECT I THINK ON TRAFFIC AND JUST IN FOOTPRINT OVERALL.
UM, AS FAR AS THE PERVIOUS PAVEMENT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH.
UM, I THINK WE'VE NOW TALKED TO TRAFFIC AND STREETS.
WE ARE ALSO TALKING TO, UH, THE SMALL BUSINESS PERSON FOR A DISTRICT ONE SINCE AUGUST BEFORE IT ALL OF THIS, PRETTY MUCH AS SOON AS WE PUT THE APPLICATION IN FOR A PERVIOUS COVER, UM, WE'VE BEEN MOSTLY TOLD NO.
UM, BUT NOW WE'RE BEING FORWARDED TO SAYING THAT IT'S A PUBLIX WORKS, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, ISSUE AND ALSO THAT IT WOULD BE MORE RELEVANT DURING, UH, PERMITTING.
UM, SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY DEFINITIVE ANSWERS ON THAT.
UM, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH SOMETHING, UH, PERVIOUS IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR COST.
I HAVE DONE INQUIRIES WITH TRUE GRID PAVERS, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR.
UM, FOR DELIVERY, THE DELIVERY OPTIONS THAT THEY OFFER.
UH, YOU, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A FORKLIFT ON SITE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, OUR CONTRACTOR DOES NOT HAVE ONE, SO IF WE WERE TO RENT ONE IT WOULD REALLY NEED TO SYNC UP THE DELIVERY DATE AND TIME AND EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE.
UM, BUT THERE MAY BE OFF-BRAND OR DIFFERENT BRANDS FOR THAT AND JUST OTHER, EVEN A HYBRID OPTION OF ASPHALT, LIKE A HALF AND HALF.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT WE HAVE PRETTY HEAVILY LOOKED INTO THIS SINCE AUGUST.
UM, TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY TO GIVE US AN OKAY AT LEAST ON IT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, FOR THE MOST PART WE'VE BEEN TOLD NO, UM, 'CAUSE TYPICALLY THE PERVIOUS PAVEMENT IS ONLY FOR PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS.
UM, WHAT ELSE? THE APPROPRIATE SETBACKS, I THINK THAT WAS ADDRESSED OR IS ADDRESSED WITH THE NEW SITE PLAN, UM, PREVIOUS COVER AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
I DID ASK A, UH, ADOLFO ABOUT THIS.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS A PART OF RIO OR JUST THE ZONING OR THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT THE ZONING COMMISSION CAN IMPOSE ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO CAN I JUMP IN? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
SO ON THIS, ON THIS HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, UM, WE SPOKE TO THIS LAST TIME WE WERE HERE AND THEN UM, ALSO WE SPOKE TO THE, UM, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? UM, RIVER ROAD COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS, THE 9:00 PM WOULD BE, UM, THE, THE, THE CLOSING TIME OF THE BUSINESSES AS FAR AS THE FOOD TRUCKS, I THINK MAYBE THE RETAIL WOULD CLOSE EARLIER.
UM, BUT AGAIN, MAYBE HAVING THE PARKING LOT, HAVING TO BE LOCKED DOWN AT 9:00 PM WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE 'CAUSE WE'LL HAVE AFTER HOURS MEETINGS, UM, CLEANINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALSO, WE ARE HAVING A COFFEE TRUCK, SO THE 7:00 AM YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T KNOW THEIR HOURS, BUT I, I THINK CURRENTLY THE COFFEE TRUCK WE'RE TALKING TO RIGHT NOW OPENS AT AT 6:30 AM UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD FIT IN AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT COFFEE, BUT I ASSUME THEY'D HAVE TO GET THERE EARLY TO PREP AND GET BEANS READY AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL.
SO I WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE A A LOCK GATE TO KEEP THEM OUT FOR THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE GATES CLOSING AND LOCKING, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A GATE.
UM, BUT THE ISSUE, 'CAUSE IT KIND OF GOES INTO THE FENCING, THEY'RE ASKING FOR SIX FOOT, WHAT WOULD MATCH, I THINK ON OUR PROPERTY WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK TODAY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS FOUR FOOT, BUT IT'S LOOKING LIKE FIVE FOOT BASED ON MY PHOTOS AND ME STANDING NEXT TO IT.
UM, WE ARE, WE'RE WILLING TO MATCH WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON OUR PROPERTY THAT WE'VE INSTALLED, UH, IN THE PAST MONTH OR FEW MONTHS TO THAT SIDE, UM, WHICH WILL BE EITHER FOUR OR FIVE FEET.
AND AS FAR AS THE GATE GOES, WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT NOW AS WELL AS I'M NOT AGAINST A GATE, BUT AS FAR AS
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LOGISTICS GO, UM, FOR THAT LINE OF SIGHT ON THE CORNER OPENING OR HAVING A SLIDING GATE DOUBLES UP, UM, THE VISIBILITY OR JUST THE OPAQUENESS I GUESS.SO, UH, WE COULD HAVE IT ON THE, BUT IN THE CONVERSATION WITH TRAFFIC, THE APPROACH, UM, WE ARE GOING TO NEED A, AN ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE FOR THE APPROACH BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE AN OPENING, I THINK WITHIN A HUNDRED AND SOME ODD FEET FROM AN INTER INTERSECTION AND WE PUT IT THERE.
IT MAY BE SLIGHTLY MOVED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
UM, ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT, AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT LOCKED IN THAT WE NEED A GATE AND IT JUST BECOMES UNFEASIBLE.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A GATE, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE PARAMETERS WHEN IT, THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF PARAMETERS, UM, WITH VERY LITTLE SPACE AND WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE UPON A VARIANCE AND THEN, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, BUT THAT ANSWERS LIKE THE ASKING FOR SIX FOOT, UM, ADDING THE NO ALCOHOL I THINK IS STRANGE AS WELL.
AND, AND GOING INTO CONJUNCTION WITH NUMBER ONE, THE FIRST ONE OF ADS ASKING FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE TO DROP OFF.
UM, I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT A THING, BUT I THINK UNDER NC WOULDN'T WE NEED A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE TO CELL ALCOHOL? LIKE CAN WE JUST SELL IT NOW? YEAH.
I'M VERIFYING THE NA ON THE, ON THE ACTUAL NC USE ITSELF RIGHT NOW WE HAD SOME U D C AMENDMENTS, SO I WANNA BE SURE THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY PLAUSIBLE.
BUT AS FAR AS ANY ALCOHOL CELLS ON THE PROPERTY UNDER NC, YOU COULD DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT HAS ALCOHOL SALES, UM, WITH AN NC ZONING DESIGNATION.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOUR SITE PLAN IS ONLY LIMITED TO PARKING AND IT DOESN'T SHOW ANY STRUCTURES, UH, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PUT A STRUCTURE ON THE SITE UNLESS YOU COME BACK AGAIN FOR A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, FOR RECONSIDERATION OF, OF A DIFFERENT USE IN ESSENCE.
YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE THOUGHT AND WHY IT WAS A LITTLE WEIRD.
UM, IT IS ALCOHOL ON A PARKING LOT.
IF WE WERE TO EVER, UH, SELL ALCOHOL, WE HAVE BUSINESSES ADJACENT TO THIS THAT ARE C TWO, THAT WE WOULD DO THAT THERE.
SO I, WE DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT ONE TOO MUCH.
UM, YEAH, AND TO GO INTO THAT, I KNOW ONE OF THE VOICEMAIL COMMENTERS IS CONCERNED OF US SELLING IT AND THAT'S WHY, UM, THESE CONDITIONS ARE BEING ASKED FOR, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT, IT, IT KIND OF IS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT'S LIKE, EITHER WE KEEP IT AND WE GET THIS OR WE'RE GONNA SELL IT AND WE'RE GONNA SELL IT WITH NA WITH IT BEING SO SMALL WITH THESE PARAMETERS AND IT, IT JUST, UM, DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE.
UM, AND ONE OF THE E CONDITIONS THAT THEY PUT IS THAT LIGHTING MUST MINIMIZE THE LIGHT POLLUTION THE RIO HAS, I THINK IT'S SIX OR SEVEN POINTS, UM, WHEN WE GET TO PERMITTING THAT ARE PARAMETERS FOR THE LIGHTING AND ESPECIALLY SPECIFICALLY EXTERIOR LIGHTING THAT ADDRESS TEMPERATURE, HOW BRIGHT IT CAN BE WITH POSITIONING, HOW TO BLOCK IT FROM VIEW AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO HAVING, AGAIN, EXTRA PARAMETERS JUST, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT THIS TIME.
WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE, SO COMMISSIONER KELLUM TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS.
SO YOU, YOU'RE WORKING ON THE PREVIOUS COVER, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? WE, YEAH, WE, FOR THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO IT.
THE ANSWER KIND OF CONTINUES TO BE FROM THE CITY.
NO, UM, WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO IT.
UM, THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL PLAN BEFORE WE WENT TALK TO RIVER ROAD.
WE, WE DON'T LIKE IMPERVIOUS THINGS, BUT UM, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING TO A POINT WHERE MAYBE THE CITY'S JUST GONNA SAY NO ON THAT AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE ASPHALT.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE, THE FOOD TRUCK AND COFFEE TRUCK MENTIONED, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TO, TO THE STAFF? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY? NO, THE UM, THAT IS FOR ANOTHER PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS JUST FOR THIS PROPERTY ALONE, WHETHER THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE, UH, PARKING LOT.
UM, I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OTHER THAN JUST SAY I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MET WITH ME AND THE HARD WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE PUT INTO TO MAKING SOME OF THE CHANGES AND ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
UH, COMMISSIONER, I DIDN'T EVEN GET A CHANCE, BUT I SEE YOUR HAND BUT COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT QUESTIONS.
MS. KENNEDY, IF I MAY ADDRESS A QUESTION TO YOU.
I THINK IN THAT RATHER LONG LITANY OF ISSUES RAISED IN, UH, THE REBUTTAL,
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IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WOULD NOT AGREE TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION AT 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM THEY WOULD NOT AGREE TO THE ADDING OF THE NA.AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO ONES THAT I THINK WE CAN CONTROL AS, UH, ZONING COMMISSION AND ADD AS CONDITIONS.
IN LIGHT OF THAT, DOES THAT CHANGE RIVER ROAD'S POSITION OF SUPPORT ON THIS PROJECT? WELL, I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED.
I MEAN, WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO SUPPORT THEM.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS A COMMERCIAL LOT AND PEOPLE, UH, DO GET THERE EARLIER, BUT, UH, THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD.
SO I CANNOT SPEAK FOR MY COMMITTEE.
WE PICKED FROM SEVEN TO NINE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE TIME WE HAD.
WHY NA WHY NO ALCOHOL? WELL, BECAUSE WE LIVE IN RIVER ROAD
AND WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT'S RIGHT? WELL JUST GO DOWN TO TOKEN HILL AND THINGS THAT ARE ON PARKING LOTS AND PEOPLE ARE SELLING ALCOHOL AND STUFF.
IT WAS, UH, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST FELT STRONGLY ABOUT JUST TACKING ON NO ALCOHOL.
IT SEEMS STRANGE 'CAUSE IT'S A PARKING LOT.
UH, THE FIRST ONE THAT THEY BROUGHT UP, UH, WE WERE TOLD, UH, BY CHRISTIE FLORES AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT ABOUT, UH, WHEN THEY, IF THIS CHANGES HANDS, UH, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE? AND I TALKED WITH CHRISTIE AND FLORES AND THEY SAID IT, UH, ADOLFO AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, IT GOES WITH THE USE.
SO IF I BRI THIS PROPERTY, I GET THE CD WITH THE USE FOR A PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD BEFORE THE MEETING AND SO WE TOOK THAT OFF.
OKAY, THANK YOU MS. KENNEDY, UH, TO THE APPLICANTS.
SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSSESSION, BUT GIVEN THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE THE NA, ARE YOU WILLING TO FORMALLY AMEND YOUR APPLICATION TO ADD NA TO THIS? IT'S UP TO YOU.
I, I, UH, I MEAN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I THINK OUR CONCERN WHEN WE, WHEN WE GOT THESE, UM, LAST NIGHT AND WENT OVER 'EM BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS IS, I'M GONNA SAY A YES OR NO PLEASE.
UH, AS FOR THE TIME THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS PROPOSED 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM UH, ARE YOU WILLING TO LIMIT THE TIME AS A CONDITION FOR THIS APPLICATION, UH, WITH LENIENCY? WE, WE, NOPE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT WITH COMMISSIONER WATSON? UM, SINCE YOU HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE HOURS THAT YOU ARE EXPLAINING, UM, IS OUT OF A CONCERN FOR POTENTIAL FOOD TRUCKS AND EMPLOYEES, UM, THAT THEY MIGHT HIRE, WHAT OTHER PARKING OPTIONS HAVE YOU EXPLORED ON YOUR EXISTING LOTS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, EMPLOYEES, BUSINESS OWNERS, ET CETERA, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO USE THE LOT? UM, AND YOU COULD, YOU COULD BOTH MEET THE NEEDS OF YOUR POTENTIAL, UM, TENANTS FOR LACK OF A, OF A BETTER WORD, AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY.
UM, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR STREET PARKING OR OTHER THINGS, UM, FROM YOUR PRESENTATION LAST TIME AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE CONSIDERED.
SO, UM, WELL ONE THING IS, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT SAFETY.
SO I THINK, UM, ONE THING WITH THIS PARKING SPOT WOULD, IT WOULD HOUSE A LOT OF THE STAFF AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE AMOUNT OF BACK AND FORTH TRAFFIC CROSSING THE STREET THERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A, A SAFETY MEASURE NEXT TO THE, THE PROPERTIES ON ATCH.
WE DO HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF STREET PARKING, UM, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR OF COURSE, UM, THE CONSUMERS.
UM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET THERE, IT'D BE A MUCH SAFER AVENUE FOR THEM.
THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GETTING COFFEE IT'S GONNA BE A VERY IN AND OUT TRANSACTION ANYWAY AND THAT WOULD KEEP THEM FROM HAVING TO PARK THERE.
THAT'S ALSO THE FEAR WITH IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A, WE, WE'VE BEEN CALLED 3 1 1 A FEW TIMES WITH THIS PROPERTY SO FAR BY RIVER ROAD COMMUNITY.
I WOULD BE AFRAID IF WE HAVE OUR STAFF ON THIS PARKING LOT AND THEY CLOSE AT 9:00 PM UM, SOMEONE SHOWS UP AT 8 59 ORDERS A TACO, UM, THAT TACO THEN GETS READY, BLAH, BLAH BLAH.
THEY CLOSE UP, THEY TAKE OUT THE TRASH, NOW IT'S 10:00 PM AND THEY HAVE TO WALK BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE STAFF PARKING LOT.
ARE WE GETTING A THREE ONE ONE CALL ON US? IS THE RIVER ROAD GETTING UPSET BECAUSE NOT BECAUSE WE'RE OUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE PAST 9:00 PM NECESSARILY, BUT BECAUSE WE WOULD BE DELAYED IN THAT SENSE.
OKAY, SO JUST AS A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO THAT, BECAUSE WITH A COFFEE SHOP IN THE MORNING
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AND HAVING THE EMPLOYEES PARK ON THE BUSINESS SIDE, YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY, BUT I'M NOW HEARING SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT CLOSING, THAT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME.WHAT HOURS WOULD YOU CONSIDER SO THAT YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE EMPLOYEE NEEDS AND ADDRESS WHATEVER OTHER? SO, SO UM, ON THE PROPERTY WE HAVE TWO VERY OLD HOUSES AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE FIVE OR SIX BUSINESSES.
THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED IS WHAT HOURS WOULD YOU CONSIDER? SO IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
THAT'S WHAT TIME IS THERE RIGHT NOW.
5:00 AM 5:00 AM AND YOUR IDEAL CLOSING TIME FOR OF WHEN THE PARKING LOT WOULD 10:00 PM POTENTIALLY BE LOCKED? 5:00 AM I THINK 10:00 PM I WOULD SAY OR NOT.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, I WAS CONFUSING N R WITH NA, SO YOU CANNOT ADD NA TO NC.
IT'S ONLY ADDED TO C TWO AND C THREE.
UM, I DO HAVE UM, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THAT POINT.
UH, TO GO TO YOUR EXPLANATION OF HOW THE SITE PLAN AND STRUCTURAL, UM, CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE REFLECTED ON IT, UM, IMPACT THE NA UH, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THIS PROPERTY GETS SOLD OR THE USE, THERE IS A DESIRE TO CHANGE THE USE VERY, LIKE CLEARLY SPECIFIC STEPS IN ORDER FOR A SITUATION TO OCCUR WHERE ALCOHOL COULD BE SOLD WITH A SITE PLAN BEING USED.
SINCE WE CAN'T PUT THE NA RESTRICTION AND YOU TALK SPOKE TO HOW, WITHOUT A STRUCTURE THAT FALLS INTO THE U D C RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? SO TO YOU CAN USE IT FOR ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED IN NC ANY USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
IN NC IF IT GETS ZONED NC THE ONE THING THAT IT'S ALLOWING IN ADDITION TO THAT IS THE PART, THE NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S THE PART THAT THE, THE CONDITIONS ARE BEING PUT ON.
UM, IF THEY NEED TO USE IT FOR SOME OTHER PURPOSE AND A STRUCTURE IS PROPOSED FOR THE PROPERTY, IT WILL HAVE TO BE REZONED AGAIN BECAUSE THERE, THERE'S NOT A STRUCTURE PROPOSED HERE.
AND SO THAT'S A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO THEN WITH THIS CONDITIONAL USE AND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, IS THERE A PO IS THERE A UNIVERSE AS REFLECTED IN THE CODE IN WHICH SOMEONE COULD PARK ON THE PARKING LOT AND SELL ALCOHOL LEGALLY AS A FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT IN N C U CAN CAN HAVE ALCOHOL SALES AND THAT INCLUDES IF THE FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT IS NOT IN A STRUCTURE? NO, BECAUSE FOOD STR UH, FOOD SERVICE REQUIRES RESTROOMS AND HAND WASHING FACILITIES.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A SITUATION IN WHICH SOMEONE COULD LEGALLY SAY PUT A TACO.
I THINK LEGALLY IS A GOOD POINT.
WITH THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS FOR FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENT OR QUESTIONS? SORRY, WE'RE ON QUESTIONS.
SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.
OH, COMMISSIONER CHASE, I'VE SEEN MOBILE, UM, LIKE DAIQUIRI AND MARGARITA FOOD TRUCKS, UM, SERVICES.
WOULD THOSE BE ALLOWED ON THIS PARKING LOT? NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE STRUCTURES, SO YOU'RE PARKING SOMETHING ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT DEMONSTRATED HERE.
THEY, IT WOULD NEED A SAFE, UH, FOOD TRUCK ON THEIR, ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
AND THAT WAS MY GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
UM, AND SO I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, BACK TO YOU COMMISSIONER CHAIR.
DID I FORGET YOU? MAYBE I FORGOT TO ASK.
OH, COMMISSIONER REYES QUESTION.
TO YOUR PRESENTATION, YOUR DRIVEWAY LOCATION, DID YOU MENTION THAT UM, TRAFFIC SECTION SUGGESTED THAT YOU SHIFTED AWAY FROM SATCH? YES.
THEY SAID, UM, UNDER EVERY OTHER PART OF U D C IT'S 24 FEET TO 30, BUT UNDER RIO 25 IS THE MAX.
AND TO GET FURTHER AWAY, I THINK FROM THE INTERSECTION, IF MY NOTES, I DREW IT THE OTHER DAY, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER.
YOUR IMPERVIOUS COVER, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVER.
UH, ONE THING IS IF YOU'RE NOT INCREASING THE ALLOWABLE PONDING WIDTH ALONG ST.
MARY'S, YOU REALLY WOULDN'T NEED THE IMPERVIOUS COVER UNLESS YOU'RE INCREASING THE ALLOWABLE POUNDING WIDTH BY A GREAT AMOUNT DEPENDING ON THE RAINFALL INTENSITY, THE SURFACE AREA, THE VELOCITY OF THE RUNOFF, THE TOTAL RUNOFF.
AND YOUR EMPLOYEE NEEDS, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW
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WHAT TIMES YOUR EMPLOYEES WILL NEED THIS PARKING LOT, CORRECT? I MEAN, NOT EXACT ONES, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO NOT RE AGAIN, RESTRICT OURSELVES BEFORE BECAUSE AGAIN EXACTLY A COFFEE CROWD CAN BE MUCH EARLIER.IS IT GONNA CHANGE AND GET LATER? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
AND THEN YOUR GATE, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION OF THE GATE, YOU MIGHT HAVE, EXCUSE ME, TRAFFIC TRYING TO GET IN AND GET HUNG UP AND BEING HUNG UP ON ST.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER SAFETY ISSUE.
SO INSISTING ON A GATE MAY ACTUALLY CREATE A SAFETY ISSUE.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER REYES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
BACK TO YOU COMMISSIONER LUM FOR A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR NC CONDITIONAL USE NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT WITH THE CONDITIONAL HOURS OF 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM I'LL SECOND THAT.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH, ANY, ANY DISCUSSION LOOKING LEFT? UH, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.
ALRIGHT, UM, THIS IS NOW A CLOSE CASE FOR ME.
UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WORKED VERY HARD.
UM, AND THE MOTION CURRENTLY INCLUDES THAT HOURS OF OPERATION, WHICH I THINK WERE ONE OF THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS WE HAD AND THE NA WE'VE DISCUSSED AD NAUSEUM.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, I AM GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE APPLICANTS WANTED MORE HOURS, I THINK THAT WAS INCUMBENT UPON THEM TO COME FORWARD WITH THAT, DISCUSS IT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND SO I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION AS SUBMITTED WITH THE CONDITIONAL HOURS.
UH, COMMISSIONER WATSON DISCUSSION.
UM, I WANNA COMMENT, UM, AND UH, COMMEND BOTH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE APPLICANTS.
THIS IS THE STANDARD THAT WE EXPECT IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
THE COMMUNITY COMES AND IS WILLING TO SPEAK WITH YOU IF YOU'RE WILLING TO GOING TO PLAN TO INVEST IN A COMMUNITY.
YOU NEED TO PLAN, UM, AND YOU NEED TO SHOW THAT YOU CARE.
AND SO IF WE SEE THE CHANGE FROM THE APPLICATION AND THE PRESENTATION LAST TIME TO THIS TIME, THIS IS THE STANDARD THAT WE EXPECT.
UM, YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT SAFETY, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CODE.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IMPACTS THE COMMUNITY.
YOU NEED TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO MEET THEM AT THE TABLE.
SAME THING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
THEY WERE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS.
UM, NEGOTIATING, GETTING THINGS IN AS EARLY AS YOU WOULD LIKE IS ALWAYS CHALLENGING SINCE WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS IN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND AS COMMISSIONERS.
UM, BUT THESE ARE REASONABLE POINTS OF DISCUSSION.
UM, I THINK THAT FIVE TO 10 IS, UM, WHICH I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW, UM, WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE, BUT I THINK SEVEN TO NINE IS RELATIVELY GENEROUS.
UM, AND IS SOMETHING THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO ADD, UM, TO THE SITE PLAN, UM, AND DOES REFLECT SOME OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN THE RIO.
UM, I THINK THERE IS STILL ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND I AM IMPRESSED, UH, WITH THE WILLINGNESS OF BOTH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE APPLICANT TO THINK THROUGH ALL OF THE CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, THIS IS PARTICULARLY COMPLEX BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER, UM, CODE AND PERMITTING CONSIDERATIONS HERE WITH TRAFFIC PARKING.
UM, THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO UM, MORE FLEXIBLE THINGS, THE CODE IS LIMITING.
AND SO WORKING AS IN A COLLABORATIVE WAY, UM, TO BOTH MEET SOME OF THE AESTHETIC DESIRES THAT YOU HAVE THAT REFLECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS, UM, FOR IT TO ENSURE IT FITS IN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS, UM, ARE WAYS THAT YOU CAN ADVOCATE TOGETHER, UM, TO GET A BETTER PROJECT, UM, IN THE FACE OF POTENTIALLY LIMITING, UH, CODE AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT, UM, ADDITIONAL OPTIONS ARE THERE.
UM, WE CAN'T ENFORCE ALL THESE CONDITIONS IN ZONING, SO THE HOURS IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT AND WILL IMPACT, UM, MY DECISION ON THIS.
UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, EVEN AFTER THIS MEETING TO CONTINUE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS AND TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THE CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED AND YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL, UM, A FINAL PROPOSAL AND SITE PLAN BY THE TIME THAT YOU GET TO COUNCIL THAT BOTH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FULLY SUPPORTS, UM, AND THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, WORKING FOR THE NEEDS OF YOUR BUSINESS.
UM, DEVELOPMENT IS CHALLENGING.
DEVELOPMENT IN SAN ANTONIO IS HARD.
UM, DOING IT RIGHT IS IMPORTANT AND SO THANK YOU TO BOTH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE APPLICANT FOR ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK, UM, BEFORE COMING TO US THIS TIME AND MEETING, UM, SOME OF OUR CONCERNS AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CASE.
UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER'S ON MY RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER, WE THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
AND UH, THANK YOU FOR THE APPLICANT FOR, UH, COMING BACK TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION.
BUT EVEN THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION, I DON'T FEEL LIKE, UH, YOUR, UH, MY CONCERNS LAST TIME ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING A CROSSWALK, GETTING SOME, UH, FLASHING SIGNALS.
THOSE ARE NOT IN YOUR CON UH, CONTROL.
RIGHT? SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? QUICK CLARIFICATION.
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UH, QUESTION ON YOUR PRESENTATION YOU MENTIONED ABOUT A SIGN THAT ENCOURAGES THE PEDESTRIANS TO USE A LEGAL CROSSWALK.UM, I WANT TO ECHO COMMISSIONER WATSON'S COMMENTS.
UM, AND I ALSO WANT TO ADD ON THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU, UM, DID A PRELIMINARY PLAN REVIEW OF P P R WITH THE CITY BECAUSE I HAVE FOUND THAT THOSE ARE VERY HELPFUL TO ANSWERING A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT ENCOUNTERS AND I WILL BE, UH, SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS WELL.
AND WITH THAT, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM AND, I'M SORRY, WHO? WHO SECOND IT.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARTOS.
WITH THE CONDITION HOURS FROM 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND THEN ALSO THE AMENDED SITE PLAN.
LET'S SEE, WHAT ITEM DO WE HAVE NEXT? IT IS ITEM 10.
ARE WE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO ITEM 10 BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK, CORRECT.
WE'RE GONNA JUST CHECK THE, UH, VOICEMAILS RIGHT QUICK.
MY NAME IS ATFA GONZALEZ, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS LOCATED AT 3 2 3 NORTH STAR SOMO GOING FROM MF 33 AND C TWO TO C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FULL SERVICE.
THERE WERE 40 NOTICES SENT OUT.
ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM PROSPECT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THE EXISTING C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND AN MF 33 MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ARE APPROPRIATE ZONINGS FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO CELLS IS ALSO AN APPROPRIATE ZONING.
THE REQUESTED ZONING DISTRICT WOULD MAINTAIN THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF C TWO WHILE ADDING THE CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR MOTOR VEHICLE CELLS FULL SERVICE.
THE REQUEST IS ALSO LIMITED TO PRESCRIBED SITE PLAN THAT CANNOT BE CHANGED WITHOUT FUR.
FURTHER COUNSEL REVIEW, THERE IS A MIX OF C ONE, LIKE COMMERCIAL C TWO COMMERCIAL AND C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND SEVERAL, SEVERAL COMMERCIAL USES THAT VARY IN INTENSITY ALONG NORTH SA OR MORRIS STREET.
STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF WE COULD HAVE THAT APPLICANT PLEASE.
I AM THE APPLICANT FOR THE ZONING CASE.
UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1 1 5 1 BLUFF FOREST.
UH, I STAND HERE WITH MY CLIENT, THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. THOMAS ZA.
UH, WE REQUESTED REZONING FROM MF 33 TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES.
SO MY CLIENT MAY RELOCATE HIS BUSINESS TO THIS PROPERTY.
HE HAS BEEN LOOKING TO CLEAN UP AND DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY FOR SOME TIME.
MY CLIENT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY TIME A CAR LOT APPEARS ON THE WEST SIDE, IT APPEAR IT CREATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, AT BEST AN EYESORE AND AT WORSE A CRATER
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OF INACTIVITY AND SPART SPARSENESS.HOWEVER, MY CLIENT IS VERY SENSITIVE TO THE NATURE OF WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS THROUGHOUT DISTRICT FIVE.
THE BLIGHT, THE TRASH, THE LACK OF DENSITY ALONG SIGNIFICANT THOROUGHFARES, MUCH LIKE NORTH SARAZA MODA STREET, HE'S COMMITTED TO THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THIS LOT.
WE PROPOSE A SIX FOOT HIGH ROT IRON FENCE ALONG NORTH SARAZA, MORA, AND WEST SALINAS.
AS SHOWN IN THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, WE PROPOSE A LANDSCAPE ALONG HIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY FENCE SHIELDING THE NUMBER OF CARS WHICH ARE NINE IN TOTAL, AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WE PROPOSE TO BE PLACED AT ANY GIVEN TIME ON THIS PROPERTY.
UH, AS NOTED IN OUR SITE PLAN, MY CLIENT IS COMMITTED TO, UH, SEVERAL CONDITIONS.
UH, ONE BEING NO AMPLIFICATION WHATSOEVER COMING FROM THE PROPERTY.
UH, NO, UH, SIGNAGE THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU WOULD FIND AT, UH, MOST CAR LOTS, LARGE AND NEON BANNERS INFLATABLE, UH, IN INFLATABLE CHARACTERS, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AS WELL AS, UM, MAINTAINING WHAT WE SEE AS, UH, REASONABLE HOURS OF OPERATION.
10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM WOULD BE THE EARLIEST AND LATEST THAT HE WOULD BE OPERATING AT THIS, UH, PROPERTY.
UM, THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, TO STRESS THAT THIS IS MY CLIENT'S LINE OF BUSINESS HERE.
SO WE ARE, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, AS A MEANS OF RELOCATING, UH, HIS, UM, HIS BUSINESS AND, UM, A COMMITMENT TO BEAUTIFICATION OF THIS LOT.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC NOTICE.
UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO TO YOU COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE FOR QUESTIONS.
UH, VERY QUICKLY, STAFF WITH THESE CONDITIONAL USES, WHAT POSSIBLE RESTRICTIONS CAN WE PLACE ON THE PROPERTY? SO THE, UH, WHAT HE MENTIONED YOU COULD DO HOURS OF OPERATION, DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING, NO TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES.
AND WHEN YOU SAY TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, THAT'S LIKE BANNER SIGNAGE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SNIPE SIGNS, BANDED SIGNS, WIND WAVES, ALL OF IT.
WHAT IS THAT THING CALLED? WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE GUY CALLED? IT'S A WIND WAIVER.
A WHAT? HE'S CALLED A A WIND WAIVER.
'CAUSE I JUST CALL HIM THE FLAPPY GUYS.
NOW ONE THING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT AND YOU, YOU SUMMARIZED A LOT OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED WAS THE DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING.
MM-HMM
THAT WOULD BE NO ISSUE WHATSOEVER.
ALRIGHT, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM ME.
ALRIGHT, UM, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? NONE.
OH, COMMISSIONER REYES, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOUR ACCESS OFF OF ZAMORA, IS THAT EXISTING? THAT'S IT.
THAT IS AN EXISTING CONCRETE APPROACH.
IN FACT, THE SITE PLAN DOES SHOW TWO APPROACHES.
ONE OFF OF NOR ZAMORA, WHICH WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE.
THIS WOULD BE A ONE-WAY ENTRANCE, ONE-WAY EXIT THE APPROACH ALONG WEST SALINAS IS EXISTING AS WELL.
SO FOR STAFF, THAT'S A GRANDFATHER DRIVEWAY? YES SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS ON MY RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE FOR A MOTION.
CAN I FIRST MAKE A NOTE THAT IT APPEARED, UH, COMMISSIONER BARTOS LEFT THE BEANIE AT 2 50 50.
I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 10 WITH THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AND THE FOLLOWING, UH, CONDITIONS.
NO BANNER SIGNS OR TEMPORARY SIGNS, NO OUTSIDE AMPLIFICATION, DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING AND HOURS.
10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM UH, MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.
ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.
UM, JUST AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, HOWEVER, ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY IS IN DISTRICT FIVE, IF YOU ARE SEEKING MOTOR VEHICLE SALES OR REPAIR, YOU ARE GOING TO GO TO INDIVIDUAL.
UH, MR. MARTIN DID AN EXEMPLARY JOB OF REACHING OUT TO ME, UH, DISCUSSING THE CONDITIONS.
SO THANK YOU SIR AND YOUR CLIENT FOR THAT.
UM, WHERE WAS I? MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE WITH CONDITIONS.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES.
DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE AND AMENDED SITE PLAN AND THE AMENDED SITE PLAN.
ANY UH, DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.
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COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT.MOTION FOR APPROVAL? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
THE TIME IS NOW THREE O'CLOCK.
WE WILL BE TAKING OUR SHORT 10 MINUTE, THREE O'CLOCK BREAK.
ALRIGHT, I BELIEVE WE ARE READY TO BEGIN AGAIN.
THE TIME IS NOW THREE 12 AND THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR SAN ANTONIO IS BACK IN SESSION.
WE WILL BE SKIPPING TO ITEM NUMBER 16 AND IT'S UH, ON CONTINUANCE.
SO WE ARE LETTING YOU KNOW ITEM 16 IS FOR CONTINUANCE.
YEAH, I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT RIGHT NOW.
UH, OUR PUBLIC COMMENTER HAD TO LEAVE BUT WE ARE GONNA GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR ANSWER QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND COME BACK.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT CASE TO UM, THE HEARING TO BE HELD ON OCTOBER 3RD.
SECOND, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST A VOICEMAIL.
ALRIGHT, I GUESS WE CAN LISTEN, WE'LL LISTEN TO THE VOICEMAIL.
SO PLAY THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE FOR ITEM NUMBER 16.
HI, THIS IS ALICIA CASTLEMAN AND I OWN 1 3 6 0 ETHICS IN SAN ANTONIO AND I AM CALLING ABOUT CASE Z 2 0 3 0 2 0 2 3 1 0 7 0 0 2 0 6.
AND UM, WE ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT BEING REZONED TO UM, RM FOUR TO HAVE NEW BUILDINGS GO IN THERE, TO HAVE ALL KINDS OF NEW RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA TO REFRESH THINGS.
SO VERY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT GETS BUILT AND, UM, FIX UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD, CLEAN IT UP, AND GET PROPERTY VALUES BACK ON TRACK.
AND THAT WAS THE ONLY VOICEMAIL.
CORRECT? ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS FOR CONTINUANCE OF ITEM NUMBER 16 BY COMMISSIONER WATSON TO THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.
WE WILL NOW BE MOVING ON TO ITEM 11, I BELIEVE IS NEXT.
WE COULD HAVE STAFF'S PRESENTATION FOR THAT PLEASE.
CAMERON BLACKMAN ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER 11 IS LOCATED AT 2 2 6 SHERWOOD DRIVE GOING FROM R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO C TWO NA COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT WITH ALL OVERLAY STAYING THE SAME.
19 NOTICES SENT SEVEN IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED.
LOS ANGELES HEIGHTS IS OPPOSED AND THERE'S ONE IN FAVOR OUTSIDE 200 FEET.
THE EXISTING R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED C TWO A COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE C TWO A TO PERMIT A NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT ON THE PROPERTY FOR BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET.
ALTHOUGH THERE ARE ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL USES AND COMMERCIAL ZONING ON SHERWOOD DRIVE A LOCAL STREET ALL HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF RESIDENCES AND ARE LOCATED CLOSER TO INTERSTATE 10 AND VANCE JACKSON ROAD.
A SECONDARY ARTERIAL WHERE COMMERCIAL USES ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
THE PROPOSED REZONING CONSTITUTES FURTHER COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT INTO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
STAFF FINDS EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS AND RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WHILE THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONING DESIGNATIONS, THEY'RE AS ACCESSED AND ADDRESSED OFF OF, OFF OF THE INTERSTATE 10 ACCESS ROAD AND SERVE AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE HIGHWAY AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE SOUTHERN BLOCK.
WHERE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, IF WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
JAMES MCKNIGHT FROM ORTIZ MCKNIGHT, 1 1 2 EAST PEON AND I HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU.
SO DO I HAVE CONTROL OR AM I JUST
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GONNA ASK YOU? YEAH.I'D JUST LIKE TO LOCATE THE PROPERTY WHERE IT IS, UH, ON I 10.
SO THIS IS, UH, ABOUT AN ACRE PROPERTY.
IT'S KIND OF AN UNUSUAL SIZED RESIDENTIAL LOT.
UH, CURRENTLY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED LOT IN LOS ANGELES HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND IT'S IN THE GENERAL VICINITY, ACTUALLY MOSTLY OF COMMERCIAL USES.
IT HAS A, A LANDSCAPING COMPANY THAT IS TO THE EAST OF IT.
THERE'S A H V A C CONTRACTOR AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, UH, CONTRACTORS TO THE, TO THE WEST AND LAW OFFICES AND OTHER KINDS OF OFFICES TO THE NORTH.
THIS IS A LIST OF ALL OF THE BUSINESSES, THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE SURROUNDING US.
AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE LAW OFFICES, CHURCH CONTRACTORS.
THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR THAT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO OUR WEST.
THERE'S ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR THAT IS TWO LOTS DOWN FROM US.
SO I WANTED TO DRILL DOWN ON SOME OF THE ACTUAL, UH, ZONING ITEMS. SO THIS IS DESIGNATED AS LOW URBAN DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE NEAR NORTHWEST COMMUNITY PLAN.
BUT JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO CHANGE THAT TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A MAP OF HOW THAT HAS UH, EVOLVED OVER TIME BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING ON A LOT OF THESE LOTS.
THE, UH, AS STAFF POINTED OUT, WE'RE RECOMMENDING OR WE'RE ASKING FOR C TWO NA FOR A COM NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT.
THIS LOT IS OWNED BY THE V REAL AND BEAM LAW FIRM, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY'VE, UH, THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF BUSINESS IN TRYING TO EXPAND THAT PARKING LOT A LITTLE BIT.
SO IT WOULD BE A PARKING LOT THAT WOULD BE ENCLOSED FOR THAT BUSINESS.
SHERWOOD DRIVE IS ACTUALLY PREDOMINANTLY A COMMERCIAL BLOCK.
SO IF YOU COUNT ALL THE LOTS UP AND DOWN SHERWOOD DRIVE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE 11 ON THE NORTH SIDE AND 15 ON THE SOUTH, 20 OUT OF THOSE 26 LOTS, THERE ARE THREE THAT ARE ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THERE'S ONE THAT'S FURTHER DOWN WEST FROM US.
SO YOU CAN SEE A ZONED R FIVE AND THERE'S TWO THAT ARE TO THE EAST OF US.
THE PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED RMM FOUR TO THE NORTH IS ACTUALLY JUST THE PARKING LOT FOR THE LA QUINTA.
AND AS FAR AS THE LOCATION NEAR INTERSTATE 10, VANCE JACKSON, YOU CAN SEE THE CONNECTION OF VANCE JACKSON THROUGH TO I 10.
SO THIS BECOMES KIND OF A CUT THROUGH FROM VANCE JACKSON OVER TO I 10.
UH, RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO BUILDING ON OUR PROPERTY, SO THIS IS AN OLDER PHOTOGRAPH.
SO THIS PICTURE IS TO SHOW THE TREND OF HOW THIS HAS CHANGED.
THE STREET HAS CHANGED OVER TIME.
WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT WHEN ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE AS IF THERE ARE CHANGED CONDITIONS? THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT YOU, YOU LOOK FOR.
AND HERE YOU HAVE A LABEL OF ALL OF THE ZONINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
IT STARTED IN 1995 AND 1998, BUT UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVEN REZONINGS DOWN THIS STREET REZONING EIGHT DIFFERENT PROPERTIES INCLUDING ONE IN JUST MAY OF THIS YEAR.
THOSE TWO LOTS TO THE EAST OF US WERE REZONED TO C TWO CONDITIONAL ACTUALLY FOR A CONTRACTOR.
AND THEN THE LOT THAT IS TO THE, IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF US.
THAT WAS REZONED JUST LAST YEAR IN SEPTEMBER.
THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL BY STAFF.
IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE ZONING COMMISSION AND IT WAS REZONED BY THE COUNCIL OFFICE.
THIS IS SHOWING THE, THE PLAN IN THAT NEAR NORTHWEST COMMUNITY PLAN THAT COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL HAS, HAS TAKEN OVER THAT STREET AS AS TIME HAS PASSED, INCLUDING THE LOT THAT, AGAIN, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT IS THAT THOSE PLANS ARE FORWARD LOOKING.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND, YOU SHOULD FORWARD LOOKING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING.
ZONING CHANGES ARE ABOUT WHAT ARE THE CHANGING TRENDS, LAND USE PLANS ARE ABOUT WHAT IS THE FUTURE TREND.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE LINING UP RIGHT NOW TO CHANGE TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND FOR C TWO COMMERCIAL ZONING.
SO ONE THING I WANT TO GET INTO IS THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL ON THIS ONE, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCIES HERE THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT FOR US.
SO JUST LAST YEAR, STACK REC RECOMMENDED DENIAL FOR THE LOT THAT'S NEXT TO US.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY POINTED OUT WAS THAT IT WASN'T CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
I'D ARGUE THAT THAT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THIS AREA IS NOT RESIDENTIAL.
THERE ARE HOUSES ON THIS STREET, BUT IT IS PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL.
THEN IN 2023 THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND THEY SAID IN THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEV DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO JUST A FEW MONTHS LATER, JUST A FEW LOTS DOWN YOU HAVE THAT IS CONSISTENT.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT YOU SEE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY POINTED OUT THERE WAS THAT THERE WAS COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT THERE WAS COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO THEM.
WELL THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR LOT.
WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET.
WE HAVE COMMERCIAL DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO US.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ALSO POINTED OUT WAS THAT THE BLOCK HAS BEEN GRADUALLY CONVERTING FROM RESIDENTIAL USES TO COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES.
SO IN THIS CASE, I'M JUST GONNA USE SOME OF THE, THE WORDING THAT STAFF USED IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO SAY I AGREE IT HAS BEEN CONVERTING OVER TIME.
BOTH THE PLAN AND THE ZONING HAVE BEEN CONVERTING.
OUR CURRENT RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL AND IT SAYS IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED PATTERN.
UM, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I DON'T THINK THAT
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IS THE PATTERN, BUT ALSO THAT THE, UM, THERE ARE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES BUT THEY HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF RESIDENTIAL AND THAT THEY'RE CLOSER TO THE INTERSTATE 10 OR ADVANCED JACKSON.SO I PUT TOGETHER A SLIDE TO SHOW, WELL HOW CLOSE ARE WE REALLY? AND SO THE LOT THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO US IS ACTUALLY 880 FEET AWAY FROM VANCE JACKSON, WHERE OUR LOT IS 500 FEET AWAY FROM I 10.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY CLOSER THAN THOSE OTHER USES THAT WERE REZONED AND ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED AS COMMERCIAL.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL.
THE PATTERN THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED HERE IS TOWARD COMMERCIAL AND THAT'S BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED BY STAFF AND, AND BY THE COUNCIL OFFICE OF VOTING FOR THESE CASES.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET FROM US AND ADJACENT TO US APPEARANCE, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THESE APPEAR TO BE COMMERCIAL IS NOT ACTUALLY A ZONING QUESTION.
'CAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE APPEARING AS A RESIDENCE, BUT AT ANY POINT THEY COULD DEMOLISH THAT AND TURN THAT INTO A COMMERCIAL USE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT OF THE APPEARANCE OF RESIDENTIAL HAS ANY BEARING ON THAT ANALYSIS.
UM, I POINTED OUT THE DISTANCE.
AS STAFF POINTED OUT, WE, WE DID HAVE QUITE A FEW IN FAVOR.
SO THESE, UH, WE HAD OUR TEAM GO DOOR TO DOOR AND ASK FOR THEIR COMMENTS ON THIS AND WE GOT SUPPORT FROM PLENTY OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
NOW THESE ARE ALL COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORS, BUT I THINK THAT UNDERSCORES THE KIND OF PATTERN OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE'RE GETTING THE SUPPORT FROM ALL OUR COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORS 'CAUSE THEY SEE THIS AS A COMMERCIAL STREET AS WELL, BUT THEY'RE STILL WITHIN 200 FEET AND OBVIOUSLY THEIR VOTE STILL COUNTS AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS, UM, ISSUED AN EMAIL IN OPPOSITION.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE CONTEXT HERE.
I STARTED BY CALLING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESIDENT BEFORE WE EVEN FILED THE CASE.
AND HE SAID YES, WE WOULD BE IN SUPPORT.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT SHERWOOD SHEET STREET IS CHANGING.
UH, HE HELD OR THEY HELD A MEETING, UM, WITH OTHER MEMBERS AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE STILL NOT OPPOSED.
BUT THEY ASKED US, COULD YOU ADD THE NA TO THE ZONING.
WE SAID, SURE, WE CAN DO THAT.
THEY ALSO ASKED FOR SITE PLANS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THIS PARKING LOT GONNA LOOK LIKE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A FUTURE OFFICE? WHAT MIGHT THAT LOOK LIKE? SO WE DID THAT.
WE CREATED SOME SITE PLANS AND SENT THEM OVER TO THEM.
WE HELD THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING.
THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THE ACTUAL EMAIL OF OPPOSITION.
AND AT THAT TIME WE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING THIS CASE, WHICH WE DID TWO WEEKS AGO, SO THAT WE COULD MEET WITH THEM ON THE 12TH.
SO WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM ON THE 12TH OF LAST WEEK.
IT WAS KIND OF A, A MIXED BAG OF SOME SUPPORT, SOME OPPOSITION, BUT THEY VOTED TO REMAIN OPPOSED.
THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY, UH, A POLICY ON INTERNALLY TO SAY, WE DON'T WANNA VOTE FOR ANY MORE RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL AT THIS TIME.
HOWEVER, THEY SENT US AN EMAIL THIS MORNING THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING TOGETHER.
SO WE GOT AN EMAIL THIS MORNING THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY GREAT THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE STILL WANT TO WORK WITH YOUR FIRM AND BUILD A RELATIONSHIP IN THE HOPES OF GETTING MORE ENTITIES INVOLVED.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ASKED OF US IS, COULD YOU JOIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? WE SAID, SURE.
WE JOINED THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, FEES, WHATEVER FEES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WE SAID, HOW MANY ARE THERE AND WHAT ARE THE FEES? THEY SAID, THERE ARE NONE.
THERE ARE NO COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE JOINED.
SO, UM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO BE THERE.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO US TO SAY, WELL, IF YOU JOIN US, CAN YOU HELP US BY CONTINUING TO SPUR THAT, SPUR THAT AND ASK OTHER COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA TO JOIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE SAID WE WOULD LOVE THAT.
UM, THEY SAID PART OF THE OPPOSITION IS THAT THE, THEY WANT TO SEE A BETTER DRAWING OF THE PARKING LOT ITSELF.
I'VE ALREADY TRIED TO DRAW A SCALE DRAWING FOR THAT, JUST TO SHOW THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT SIZE, HOW MANY SPACES WOULD FIT AND THAT THEY'D BE OPPOSED TO ANY FUTURE STORAGE FACILITY.
NOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR PARKING.
MIGHT BE A SMALL OFFICE TO UH, COMPLIMENT THE, THE, THE LAW OFFICE ACROSS THE STREET, BUT WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO DO ANY KIND OF STORAGE.
SO WE, WE'VE ALREADY TOLD THEM THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS AT ALL.
I THINK WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT FILE STORAGE WITH THEM, WE MEANT WITHIN THE OFFICES OF THE, THE LAW FIRM.
UM, SO WITH THAT NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO I'LL JUST END BY SAYING OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR C TWO NA AT THIS TIME, FOR THIS OFFICE PARKING LOT AND THEN FUTURE OFFICE USE.
BUT WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WITH THE EMAIL THAT I GOT THIS MORNING.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT.
THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE, SO TO YOU COMMISSIONER KELLUM FOR QUESTIONS.
SO THERE'S UM, THERE SHOWS A STRUCTURE ON THERE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NOT A STRUCTURE ON? THERE'S NOT A STRUCTURE.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OH, COMMISSIONER WA WAIT, COMMISSIONER WATSON HAD HIS, ACTUALLY IT'S COMMON
UH, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STRUCTURE? I'LL TEAR IT DOWN.
OR DID IT WAS DEMOLISHED EARLIER THIS YEAR, I THINK RIGHT AFTER THEY PURCHASED IT JANUARY,
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FEBRUARY.WELL, AND JUST A SIDE COMMENT IS THAT I THINK THE FACT THAT WHETHER IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE OR AN OFFICE BUILDING DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT THAT IT'S, UH, SO I AGREE WITH THE APPEARANCE ISSUE.
UH, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER'S ON MY RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER KELLUM FOR A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE C TWO N A I SECOND.
MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION.
UH, I WANT TO, UM, COMMEND, UM, APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE FOR, UM, REALLY DOING THE HOMEWORK ON HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THIS CASE.
UM, MY INITIAL REACTION, UM, WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE AND SOME OF THE LANGUAGE USED, UM, I THINK THINGS LIKE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL COME UP A LOT AND WHAT THOSE MEAN TO THE COMMUNITY VERSUS IN PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT GUIDE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, VERSUS HOW THEY'RE DISCUSSED BY, UH, COMMUNITY ORGANIZING NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S DEVELOPERS REPRESENTATIVES CAN BE DIFFERENT.
UM, AND THERE ARE ACTUAL CORRIDOR PLANS THAT THE CITY HAS AND THERE ARE ACTUAL LAND USE MAPS THAT ARE IN THESE PLANS AND NOT EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THEM.
UM, AND NOT EVERYONE LOOKS AT THEM THE SAME WAY.
AND SO MY INITIAL, UM, REACTION TO THIS WHEN I HEARD THIS IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, WAS THAT THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, THERE IS A COMMERCIAL PLAN FOR THIS, UH, THAT IS A CORRIDOR PLAN.
UM, AND THERE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, UM, IT IS AN INCIDENT WHERE OVER TIME, UM, WHICH IS NOT IN ANY WAY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANTS OR THEIR CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAD LED TO COMMERCIAL CREEK, WHICH WE HEAR COME UP QUITE A BIT WHEN NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BLOCKS BECOMING, UM, COMMERCIALIZED THAT PERHAPS SHOULDN'T BE.
AND I THINK THAT'S AN OPEN DISCUSSION AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE.
WE ARE TRYING TO BALANCE HAVING, UM, HOUSING STOCK AT ALL LEVELS.
UH, NEW AND OLD PRESERVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK IS IMPORTANT.
SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S AN OLD BUILDING AND AN OLD NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK SHOULD ALWAYS OR NECESSARILY BECOME COMMERCIAL.
UM, BUT THERE ARE PLACES WHERE, UM, THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE DECIDE HERE AT ZONING, UM, DOES FIT LONG-TERM PLANNING GOALS AND PATTERNS.
UM, AND IT MAKES SENSE TO TRY AND REVITALIZE COMMUNITIES BY USING EXISTING BUILDINGS IN CREATIVE WAYS, UM, WHICH ALSO CAN LOOK LIKE A D U UNITS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS THAT ARE CREATIVE AND MAYBE DON'T REFLECT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, I WOULD JUST SAY LOOKING AT THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY IN THIS AREA, UM, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS TAKING THE POSITION THEY DO BECAUSE AFTER MANY YEARS OF INCONSISTENT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF, UM, AND INCOHERENCE ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN ACTUALLY IS AND WHAT THOSE TERMS ARE, UM, THERE MAY BE A CONCERN AND WANTING TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT, UM, MORE THOUGHTFUL ANALYSIS AND BETTER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ABOUT SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.
UM, AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK THE APPLICANT DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF DOING COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, BOTH IN TERMS OF DIRECT INDIVIDUAL, ONE-ON-ONE CONTACT, WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ET CETERA.
AND ALSO POINTING OUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PUT FORWARD THAT POTENTIALLY ADVERSELY IMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS AND LONG-TERM GOALS THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY, UM, FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE.
SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, UM, BECAUSE THE CASE WAS MADE VERY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS OUTSTANDING COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
AND JUST ANOTHER UNDERSCORING POINT, LIKE THINKING THROUGH THE PROCESSES IN PLACE, MAKING SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE LANGUAGE, DOING THE HOMEWORK TO DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFECTIVELY AND MAKE SURE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS TRULY REFLECT THE WILL OF THE COMMUNITY.
THAT PUTS IN A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF HOURS.
UM, NOT ONLY AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL, BUT IN, UH, THE REGIONAL PLANNING PROCESS AS WE'RE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE OF THE CITY IS ESSENTIAL.
AND, UM, I THINK IT'S TOO, UM, ALL OF OUR BENEFIT TO REALLY BE THOUGHTFUL AND, UM, CONSIDERATE AND, UM, INNOVATIVE IN THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AT THOSE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES AND SOLUTIONS.
UM, OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? NONE.
COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE.
UM, I WILL ADMIT THAT I ALSO, WHEN I FIRST SAW THE, THE PROPOSAL FOR COMMERCIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, UM, MY INITIAL REACTION WAS, WAS NOT AGAIN, BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THE URBAN CORE SEE THAT OFTEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UM, BUT THEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL SURROUNDING USES AND YOU KNOW, YES, IT'S STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, BUT IT IS WELL OVER THE MAJORITY OF THE LOTS THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL, A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES, I BELIEVE.
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WE AYE.IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO ITEM 13, I BELIEVE.
ANN BEA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER 13 IS LOCATED AT 1 1 1 4 PROBAND STREET AND IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM C ONE TO C TWO CD FOR AUTO AND LIKE TROT REPAIR WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
THERE WERE 37 NOTICES SENT WITH ONE RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURN IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE CURRENT C ONE LIKE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA AND THE PROPOSED C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITION USE FOR AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK REPAIR IS ALSO APPROPRIATE.
WHILE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ON A RESIDENTIAL BLOCK, IT IS SITUATED ON A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND IS AMONGST OTHER MEDIUM INTENSITY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
THE PROPERTY IS ABUTTING AND MAJOR HIGHWAY AND FRANCIS SECONDARY ARTERIAL B, WHICH IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR COMMERCIAL LAND USE.
THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN OPERATING AS AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP SINCE 2010 AND ATTAINED REGISTERED NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS IN JUNE OF 2023.
PERMITTING THE PERMITTING, THE USE BY RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY WILL ALLOW THEM TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTRAINTS OF NON-CONFORMING USE AND WILL ENABLE THEM TO EXPAND THEIR BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE HELD TO A PRESCRIBED SITE PLAN AND DEVIATION FROM THE APPROVED SITE PLAN COULD POTENTIALLY WARRANT ADDITIONAL COUNSEL CONSIDERATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
FRANK DAY IS FOR THE OWNER OF 1 1 4 PRO BED.
IF YOU JUST GIVE US, WELL IT, IT'S, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT HISTORIC APPROVAL.
WE WENT TO THE CITY TO GET A NON-CONFORMANCE SINCE IT'S BEEN OPERATING.
WE DID GET APPROVAL BUT THEY PUT STIPULATIONS ON IT THAT WE COULDN'T ADD TO THE BUILDING, SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THE ZONING CHANGE.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT.
THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO TO YOU COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.
AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING I'M GONNA START DOING WITH ALL OF OUR CAR VEHICLE RELATED CASES IN DISTRICT FIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CONDITIONAL USES IS RESTRICTIONS ON OR OTHER CONDITIONS ON THAT USAGE.
UM, WOULD YOU BE, WOULD YOU FIND ACCEPTABLE HOURS OF OPERATION 10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY? UH, I THINK THE CURRENT
THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR CUTTING AND PASTING, UM, AND READING MY NOTES.
ALRIGHT, SO 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
NOW I DID NOTICE ON THE PICTURES THAT WERE PRESENTED THAT THERE ARE SOME BANNER SIGNS.
AND I'VE TALKED TO THE OWNER, HE'S WILLING TO REMOVE THOSE.
SO THOSE TWO CONDITIONS, NO BANNER SIGNS AND HOURS OF OPERATION.
7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY ARE ACCEPTABLE.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? QUESTIONS? NONE.
COMMISSIONER BUS MONTE FOR THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE KIND OF BEHAVIOR I WANT TO ENCOURAGE.
IT'S THE OTHER REASON I WANTED TO PULL THESE CASES UP.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CASE WHERE IT IS AN EXISTING USE.
UH, BUT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE REGULATION AND BUREAUCRACY WITHIN OUR CITY, UH, THEY FOUND THEMSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY NEEDED REZONING, UH, CONFRONTED WITH THAT THEY DID THE RIGHT THING, THEY HAVE SOUGHT ALL THE APPROPRIATE APPROVALS.
AND SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 13 WITH THE CONDITIONS OF NO BANNER SIGNS AND HOURS OF OPERATION.
7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS BY COMMISSIONER BUSA MONTE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES DISCUSSION, LOOKING LEFT.
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YES.ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE STAFF'S PRESENTATION PLEASE.
ANN BETA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER 20 IS LOCATED AT 7 2 4 EAST MYRTLE AND IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM R FIVE TO I D Z TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
THERE WERE 26 NOTICES SENT WITH ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, THREE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY IS IN FAVOR.
STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE CURRENT R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS AN INAPPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
AND THE PROPOSED IDZ TWO MEDIUM INTENSITY INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE DISTRICT WITH USES PERMITTED FOR THREE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS IS ALSO APPROPRIATE.
THE PROPERTY HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR INGRESS EGRESS AT BOTH THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AS WELL AS THE REAR AS BOTH SIDES FRONT LOCAL STREETS.
THE MIDTOWN AREA RECOMMENDS INFILL HOUSING AT A SCALE APPROPRIATE TO THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THERE ARE A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL LAND USE IS PROXIMATE TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE IDZ TWO MEDIUM INTENSITY INFILL DEVELOPMENT BASED ON A DISTRICT REQUIRES A PRESCRIBED SITE PLAN TO ADDRESS, ADDRESS VARIOUS DEVELOPMENT ASPECTS SUCH AS PARKING UNIT HEIGHT, BUILDING SCORE FOOTAGE, AND IMPERVIOUS COVER DEVIATION FROM THE APPROVED DOCUMENT WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER PUBLIC PROCESS AND MORE CONSIDERATION BY CITY COUNCIL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
AND WHILE YOU'RE COMING UP, IF WE COULD, UH, NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER WATSON LEFT OUR MEETING AT THREE 30.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ONCE AGAIN.
I'M JUST GONNA, UH, JUST ADDRESS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO AS A WE, I ACTUALLY LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
I ACTUALLY, MY PERMANENT RESIDENCE IS, UH, 3 87 COUNTY ROAD 3 48 IN CONAN, TEXAS.
WE, WE SPEND PRETTY MUCH 40 TO 50% OF MY TIME IN SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE OUR BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS AND ARE WHAT WE DO.
UH, WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY NOT KNOWING WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO WITH IT.
WE SAW IT AS AN INVESTMENT AS TIME WENT, WE SAW THAT THE, UH, FEASIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO PUT TWO UNITS ON THE SOUTHERN PART OR THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT FACES, UH, EAST PARK STREET, WORKED OUT BETTER THAN GOING IN THERE AND JUST TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN AND PUTTING THREE UNITS.
OUR GOAL WAS TO, UH, THEN AT THAT POINT BE ABLE TO CON SAVE THE HOUSE IN FRONT, NOT, UH, AND BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THE UNITS IN THE BACK HELPING THE TRAFFIC ISSUE THE PARKING SITUATION AND IT WOULDN'T DISTURB THE STREET ITSELF.
UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE TOBIN HILL ASSOCIATION.
I'VE REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE AGAINST IT.
UH, THE OTHER TWO HAVE NOT RES UH, RETURNED BACK ANY EMAILS OR CALLS.
SO I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING I POSSIBLY COULD TO REACH OUT TO 'EM TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM.
AND, UH, AT THIS POINT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY SPILL.
DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE DO.
ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HEAR THOSE PLEASE.
HI ERIC AND DEBBIE SANDBERG CALLING TO PROTEST THE ZONING PROPOSAL FOR 7 24 EAST MYRTLE PLUS SEVEN AND EIGHT BLOCK SIX N B C 67 94.
PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AS WELL AS THE OTHER RESIDENCE OF OUR STREET PAST YEAR.
WE HAVE BEEN IN AND STATE FOR TRAFFIC DUE TO CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW POLICE STATION.
THE ADDED TRUCKS AND CARS HAVE MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO GO IN AND OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY.
AND CARS HAVE BEEN PARKED IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE FOR DAYS AT A TIME, ALLOWING ZONING FOR MULTIPLE HOMES ON A SINGLE LOT AND POSSIBLY SMALL BUSINESSES WILL INCREASE THE TRAFFIC AND CEMENT THE TEMPORARY PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD FROM THE POLICE STATION CONSTRUCTION INTO PERMANENT ONES.
EAST FERT STREET IS THE ROU ROUTE.
MOST LOCAL TOBIN HILL RESIDENTS LIVING LIST OF ST.
MARY'S USED TO ACCESS THE RIVER WALK AND THE PEARL.
WE SEE JOGGERS, ELDERLY COUPLES, AND YOUNG FAMILIES WITH STROLLERS AND PETS GO BY EVERY DAY.
THERE IS A VETERAN, A WHEELCHAIR WHO OFTEN MANUALLY PUSHES HIMSELF DOWN OUR STREET TO GET TO THE PEARL.
ADDED TRAFFIC WILL BE A SAFETY CONCERN TO THOSE OF US WHO USE OUR STREET
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AS A GATEWAY TO ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES THE AREA HAS TO OFFER.IT WILL ALSO WARP THE FEEL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
I HOPE YOU WILL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER OUR PROTEST AS WELL AS THOSE, AS WELL AS THOSE OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS OUR HOME WHERE WE LIVE.
CHANGING THE ZONING WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
HELLO, UH, THIS IS QUI, UH, PENA AT 7 21 EAST UH, MYRTLE STREET, UH, HERE IN TOBIN HILL.
AND, UH, WE'RE, UH, UH, WANTING TO, UH, VOICE OUR OPPOSITION TO, UH, THE ZONING CHANGE.
UH, THE NUMBER IS Z 20 23 1 0 7 0 0 2 1 1.
UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE MOST, UH, CURRENT ONE OR IF THERE'S A COUPLE OF ZONING, UH, HERE.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE A CHANCE TO RESPOND? YES, SIR.
ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S THE REASONING.
UH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT WAS TO BUILD ON PARK STREET AND HAVE THOSE REAR ENTRYWAYS.
UM, I THINK THEY WERE, WHEN THEY GOT THESE LETTERS.
AND, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND, I GET 'EM ALL THE TIME AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WANNA REZONE SOMETHING.
MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THEY THOUGHT WE WERE JUST GONNA GO IN THERE AND BULLDOZE THE ENTIRE SITE AND START NEW.
THAT WASN'T OUR, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE SAT THERE AND THOUGHT WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO AND WHAT WAS FAIR FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL, OURSELVES.
THIS IS A, ANOTHER DISTRICT ONE CASE.
SO COMMISSIONER KELLUM TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS.
SO THESE ARE JUST TWO ADDITIONAL UNITS YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE BACK OF THIS HOUSE? YES, SIR.
AND YOU'RE, IT'S ALL ALL ACCESSED THROUGH EAST PARK AVENUE, IS THAT CORRECT? ALL RIGHT.
QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.
COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE.
COMMISSIONER COHEN, BACK TO YOU FOR A MOTION.
SO I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL TO THE I D Z TWO.
ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER CALUM.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT.
ALRIGHT, MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM 23, I BELIEVE WE GONNA HAVE STAFF'S REPORT.
AFTERNOON UHM MARK CHAVEZ ZONING PLANNING WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER 23 IS LOCATED AT 34 3 SOUTH FLORE STREET GOING FROM C TWO, UH, M L R TWO, SORRY, C TWO M L O D TWO M L R TWO A H O D TO C TWO HHL COMMERCIAL HISTORIC WITH ALL
THERE WERE 35 NOTICES SENT OUT.
ZERO OPPOSED LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
DID NOT REPLY ZERO IN FAVOR AND OR OPPOSED OUTSIDE 200 FEET.
STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED REZONING IS FOR THE APPLICATION OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND DOES NOT CHANGE THE CURRENT USE OR BASE ZONING DESIGNATION.
THE PROPOSED REZONING IS FOR THE APPLICATION OF HL HISTORICAL LANDMARK OVERLAY DESIGNATION AND DOES NOT CHANGE THE CURRENT BASE ZONE DESIGNATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
ALRIGHT, IF WE'D HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
IF YOU WOULD JUST TELL US ABOUT YOUR REQUEST.
IT'S JUST TO, UH, UH, HAVE IT, UH, DEAN HISTORIC.
WE HAVE, UM, TWO SPEAKERS TO SIGN UP.
FIRST WE HAVE MS. ROSIE TORRES AND THEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY MS. CAROLINA HINOJOSA.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE ALLOT MY MINUTES TO
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HER.SO MS. TORRES, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES, OR I'M SORRY, SIX MINUTES.
I AM REPRESENTING GIA EVA DEL GIA.
EVA IS OWNED AND DIRECTED BY VERONICA CASTILLO, WHO IS AN INTERNATIONALLY RENOWNED SCULPTURAL ARTIST WHOSE WORK SITS AT THE SMITHSONIAN MOLINA, UH, FAMILY LATINO GALLERY, THE U C L A FOWLER MUSEUM AT THE NATIONAL MUSEUM OF MEXICAN ART IN CHICAGO, THE HENRY B. GONZALEZ CONVENTION CENTER HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
AND IS A NATIONAL ENDOWMENT OF THE ARTS FELLOW GALIA IS LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY AT UM, RIGHT NOW WHO'S THE APPLICANT? UH, 34 0 3.
SOUTH FLORES CRIA SITS AT 34 12 SOUTH FLORES.
WE ARE VERY UNIQUE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT WE ARE RIGHT IN THE BORDER OF D FIVE AND D THREE.
AND SO WE ARE JUST A BEAUTIFUL, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS OLD AND KIND OF FORGOTTEN.
WE ARE HERE TO OPPOSE ONLY BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS NOT BEEN CONSULTED ON THE MEANING OF DESIGNATING 34 0 3 SOUTH FLORES TO A HISTORICAL LANDMARK.
WE HAVE QUESTIONS, HOW WILL THIS DESIGNATION AFFECT OUR PROPERTY TAXES? HOW WILL IT AFFECT OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAXES? WHAT BENEFITS DOES THE OWNER AND BUILDING RECEIVE WITH A DESIGNATION THAT OTHERS MIGHT NOT? HOW WILL THIS AFFECT OUR STUDENTS FROM BURBANK HIGH SCHOOL WHO HANG OUT OR WAIT FOR THEIR RIDE AT THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY? HOW DOES THIS DESIGNATION AFFECT OUR HOMELESS RELATIVES THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET OR IN THE ALLEYS BEHIND THIS SAID PROPERTY? AND HOW DOES THIS DIRECTLY IMPACT LOCAL BUSINESSES? WE ARE REQUESTING THE ZONING COMMISSION EDUCATE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON HOW A ZONING CHANGE TO HISTORICAL LANDMARK WILL AFFECT OR BENEFIT OUR PROPERTIES, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
WOULD YOU LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND OR DO YOU JUST WANNA WAIT FOR QUESTIONS? THAT'S WHY WE REQUEST.
SO COMMISSIONER BUSE, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M GONNA HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
I'M GONNA HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
AND WE DO HAVE, UM, A MEMBER OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC, OH, O H P? YES.
IF WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
UH, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? NONE, COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, THIS WAS AN OWNER INITIATED? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE TO YOU.
SO I THINK THERE ARE TWO ISSUES, UH, WITH THESE KINDS OF REQUESTS.
AND, UH, COMMISSIONER OR CHAIR SIPES QUESTION GOES TO ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION THROUGH THE O H P IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DOES PROVIDE CERTAIN TAX BENEFITS, AND I DON'T KNOW QUITE WHAT THEY ARE, BUT THEY DO ALLOW FOR BASICALLY THE REDUCTION OF TAXES FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS OVER THE LIFE OF THAT PROJECT, PRESUMING IT MEETS THE STANDARDS PRESCRIBED BY O H P.
UM, IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT, THIS REQUEST DOES NOT CHANGE ANY USAGE.
IT SIMPLY MANDATES THAT THIS 1941 BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN USED AS THE LIBERTY FOOD STORE IN THE PAST RUN BY THE WONG FAMILY, WHO WE KNOW FROM A SIMILAR RELATED GROCERY STORE RIGHT HERE ON FLORES AND VALS, UH, IS PRESERVED IN WHAT LOOKS LIKE A BEAUTIFULLY PRISTINE MANNER.
UH, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE, MR. NAHRA.
I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOU ARE PRESERVING THIS PART OF OUR HISTORY.
SO WITH RESPECT TO THE TAXES, UM, THAT'S NOT REALLY OUR USE, THAT'S NOT OUR PURPOSE HERE.
THAT BEING SAID, MR. NAHRA COULD HAVE KNOCKED IT DOWN AND PROBABLY BUILT SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN VALUED AT A HIGHER PER SQUARE FOOT COST BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN NEW.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A 1941 CONSTRUCTION.
INSTEAD, HE TOOK THE DEAL THAT IS ON OFFER BY THE CITY.
A DEAL THAT PRESERVES OUR DIVERSE
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HERITAGE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO PRESERVES THESE MOM AND POP SHOPS THAT WERE THE BACKBONE OF THE WEST AND SOUTH SIDE OF OUR CITY.AND I THINK HE DESERVES COMMENDATION FOR THAT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THE KIDS DO.
NO DIFFERENCE WITH RESPECT TO HOW THE UNHOUSED ARE TREATED.
UM, AND SO AS A RESULT, THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S OWNER ISSUE, IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE AS A ZONING COMMISSION SHOULD SUPPORT.
THE CITY HAS CHOSEN TO SUPPORT IT BY OFFERING THESE TAX INCENTIVES.
AND SO AT THIS TIME, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 23.
MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND.
IS THERE DISCUSSION FROM OTHER COMMISSIONS ON MY LEFT? NONE.
COMM UH, COMMISSIONER FUENTES SPEAKING TO MY SECOND, UH, AS COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE STATED, THIS DOES ADD VALUE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, UH, THE UNESCO HERITAGE SITE.
I THINK THAT PRESERVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PRESERVING OUR PAST IN A EFFICIENT MANNER, UM, REALLY LENDS TO THE VALUE OF NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ALSO THE CULTURE.
UH, SO TO THAT, I'D LIKE TO, UH, COMMEND THE APPLICANT AND, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THIS TURNS OUT.
UM, I AGREE WITH, WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S, THAT BOTH OF Y'ALL HAVE SAID.
IT IS A, A REALLY NICE BUILDING AND I AM GLAD THAT, THAT IT WILL BE PRESERVED.
UM, WITH, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT UNTIL COMMISSIONER BUSANTE HAD DISCUSSION THE BENEFITS THAT, THAT THE, THE TAX BENEFITS ARE TO CITY TAXES, NOT NECESSARILY SCHOOL TAXES.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR, OR DID THEY HAVE WE GET OUR YES.
CHARLES GENTRY, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UH, AND, UH, I WANT TO THANK, UH, MR. NAHRA AS WELL FOR, UH, BRINGING THIS, UH, CASE TO OUR OFFICE.
UH, FIRST I REALLY ENJOYED, UH, DIGGING DEEPER INTO THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY AND OF THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH, THE CHINESE AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN SAN ANTONIO.
AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE, UH, MANY CHINESE, UH, GROCERY STORES THAT, UH, EXISTED, UH, IN OUR CITY, BEGINNING IN THE, UH, EARLY PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY AND, AND WELL INTO THE MIDDLE PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY AS, UH, MR. BUSANTE, UH, NOTED FROM OUR, UM, CASE HISTORY.
UH, I DID WANNA MENTION, UH, THE, UH, TAX CREDITS, UH, FOR LANDMARKS ARE AVAILABLE, UH, FOR THOSE WHO, UH, DECIDE TO INVEST IN THE PROPERTY TO REHABILITATE IT, UH, AND TO RENOVATE IT.
AND, UH, IN ANY CASE, UH, WHERE A LANDMARK IS DESIGNATED, ALL THAT WORK THAT'S GONNA BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE REVIEWED, UH, BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UH, SO THERE IS A, UH, UH, AN INCENTIVE, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, TO, UH, UH, HAVE, UH, EITHER A FREEZE ON, UH, THE CITY TAXES, UH, FOR, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, UH, OR TO, UM, UH, HAVE A LONGER PERIOD OF, UH, OF, UH, TAX ABATEMENT.
IT ONLY APPLIES TO THE CITY TAXES.
I'LL, IT'S A LONG, UH, DIRECTION TO YOUR, UH, TO GET TO THE ANSWER, BUT IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE, SO THANKS,
AND, AND SO, AND, AND SO WITH THAT, UM, THE POINT, YOU KNOW, BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S ALL THE, ONE OF THE, THE QUESTIONS WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THIS AFFECT BURBANK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THE AMOUNT OF SCHOOL TAXES THAT, UM, THAT, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RECEIVES FROM, FROM THE BUSINESS.
UM, THAT SAID, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES.
ITEM 24, I BELIEVE IS NEXT ON THE AGENDA.
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GOOD AFTERNOON.AND BETA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER 24 IS LOCATED AT 2 2 6 TOLEDO STREET, 1 5 1 7 WYOMING STREET AND 2 2 3 TOLEDO STREET.
AND IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM RM FOUR TO I D Z TWO FOR 28 DWELLING USES WITH ALL SORRY FOR 28 DWELLING UNITS.
WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
THERE ARE 38 NOTICES SENT WITH SIX RETURN IN FAVOR, ONE RETURN IN OPPOSITION.
AND DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR.
STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
WHILE THE CURRENT R M FOUR RESIDENTIAL MIX DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA, THE PROPOSED IDZ TWO MEDIUM INTENSITY INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE DISTRICT WITH USES PERMITTED FOR 28 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS IS ALSO APPROPRIATE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SITUATED BETWEEN A LARGE CEMETERY DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST AND A RESIDENTIAL MIXED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST.
THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS A IS AT THE CORNER OF TWO LOCAL STREET, WHICH IS IDEAL FOR RESIDENTIAL INFO.
ADDITIONALLY, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS A TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 28,791 SQUARE FEET.
UNDER THE CURRENT RM FOUR BAY ZONING, THE PROPERTY COULD BE SUBDIVIDED INTO A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY SEVEN LOTS AT FOUR UNITS PERMITTED PER LOT.
A TOTAL OF 28 UNITS COULD POTENTIALLY BE PERMITTED BY RIDE.
THE IDZ TWO BAY ZONING DISTRICT WILL ALLOW, WILL PROVIDE FLEXIBLE SETBACK REGULATIONS TO PROVIDE THE DEVELOPMENT WITH MORE BUILDABLE AREA THAN THE RM FOUR BAY ZONING DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW AT A SCALE APPROPRIATE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH THE GOALS OF THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN TO PROVIDE DIVERSE HOUSING STOCK TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWING POPULATION OF THE CITY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON TO ALL COMMISSIONERS.
UH, I'M THE OWNER OF, UH, OF THIS SITE.
SO AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT IS NOT ONLY CONSIDERING THIS, THIS LOCATIONS, BUT IT'S ALSO A LOCATION NEARBY THAT WE, YOU GUYS PASS IT ON CONSENT EARLIER TODAY.
UM, IF YOU COULD HELP ME GOING DOWN WHO WE ARE.
UH, WE JUST LIVE ABOUT THREE BLOCKS FROM, FROM, FROM THIS SPOT.
UH, WE'RE TRUE LOVERS OF, UH, NOT ONLY SAN ANTONIO, BUT I WOULD SAY DISTRICT TWO AND THE EAST SIDE.
UH, WE MOVED HERE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO AND SINCE THEN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT IN LOVE WITH THE AREA.
UNFORTUNATELY SPEAKING AS PERHAPS PEOPLE KIND OF REFER TO THE EAST SIDE BASED UPON THOSE STORIES OF, LET'S SAY THE PAST 10 TO 20 YEARS IN WHICH, YES, THERE WAS CRIME.
BUT FORTUNATELY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK A LOT ON RESHAPING THE AREA.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT WE WERE THE FIRST GROUP THAT DID THE FIRST, UH, UH, THE FIRST NEW PROJECT IN THE AREA.
AGAIN, JUST A FEW BLOCKS FROM HERE.
AND SINCE THEN WE HAVE BEEN COMMITTED INTO THE AREA.
WE HAVE DEVELOPED SEV SEVERAL PROJECTS HERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DISTINGUISH US IS THAT WE TRULY COMMIT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN CREATING AND HELPING, YOU KNOW, LOCAL ARTISTS, YOU KNOW, TO DO MURALS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO.
UH, AS OF NOW WE HAVE 12 MURALS DONE, SIX SCULPTURES DONE.
AND OF COURSE, IN THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA BRING MORE, MORE ART INTO IT.
IN OUR PHILOSOPHY IS THAT WE NEED TO CREATE COMMUNITY.
THE BEST WAY, AT LEAST IN OUR PERSPECTIVE, TO REDUCE CRIME IS IF WE KNOW EACH OTHER.
IF INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH THESE THINGS, WE DEAL, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO EACH OTHER.
SO THIS PROJECT IS ALL ABOUT THAT.
IF YOU CAN KEEP ON MOVING DOWN.
AGAIN, AS I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRULY COMMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING LOCAL ARTISTS, THESE NEW YOUNG TALENTED ARTISTS THAT NO ONE HAS GIVEN THEM OPPORTUNITIES TO DO MURALS.
WE ARE THOSE THAT WERE GIVING THEM THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, WE ALSO PARTNER WITH MR. CHARLES WILLIAMS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF SOME OF YOU KNOW THEM, KNOW HIM ON SUPPORTING HIM ON CREATING HIS MUSEUM.
THAT IS ALSO FEW BLOCKS FROM US IF YOU KEEP ON GOING DOWN, DOWN, GOING DOWN.
UH, SO PRETTY MUCH I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TWO LOTS THAT YOU SEE ON THE UPPER SECTION OF, UH, OF THE DRAWING, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
THEN, UH, YOU SEE THE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER
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ADDRESS PRETTY MUCH ON, ON THE BOTTOM SIDE AND BETWEEN US IS, YOU KNOW, THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS PARK.THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO THE WHOLE IDEA IS IF YOU KEEP ON GOING DOWN IS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE KEPT THIS AS BEING RM FOUR, WE WILL BE DOING THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS.
BUT THE MAIN PURPOSE OF GROWING AND ASKING FOR D I D Z, PLEASE, IF YOU GO DOWN, IS TO BE ABLE TO CREATE MORE GREEN SPACES, YOU KNOW, UH, WITHIN EACH OF THE SITES.
UH, SO PEOPLE THEN WILL HAVE A SPACE TO GATHER, A SPACE TO JOIN, A SPACE TO GO OUT OF THEIR HOUSES AND GET, GET GET AROUND.
AND IN BETWEEN EACH OF THE SITES WE'RE BRINGING IN, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE'RE BRINGING A FITNESS ROOM AREA.
ON THIS ONE WE'RE GONNA HAVE BARBECUES.
UH, ON THE OTHER, ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE KIND OF A DOG PARK.
SO AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT IS WHOEVER'S GONNA LIVE HERE, YOU KNOW, TO START GOING AROUND BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE SITES.
UH, IF YOU KEEP ON GOING DOWN AGAIN, PRETTY MUCH AS I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, IS TO BRING MORE GREEN SPACES INTO, INTO THE AREA, UH, HOW WE CONDUCTED THE PROCESS.
AND THAT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, CREATING COMMUNITIES TO BE ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID, WE CONTACTED DISTRICT TWO SIDE DELL BROOKS, WHO'S MY, WHO'S OUR SONY LIAISON.
WE PRESENTED THE PROJECT, THEN WE PRESENTED THE PROJECT TO THE CITY.
WE HAD A P P R MEETING AND WE DISCUSSED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
THEN, UH, WE WENT TO DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION.
WE SHARED TO THEM ALL THE, ALL, ALL OF OUR THOUGHTS.
AND WE STARTED, YOU KNOW, HEARING FROM THEM THEIR CONCERNS.
THE ONLY BIG CONCERN THAT THEY BROUGHT IS THAT IF YOU GO UP A LITTLE BIT AGAIN, THAT IN THE UPPER, LET'S SAY LEFT HAND SIDE, WE WERE CONSIDERING THOSE TO BE THREE STORIES.
THEY TOLD US, OKAY, WE WILL LIKE YOU TO DO JUST TWO STORIES.
SO WE CONVERTED EVERYTHING INTO BEING TWO STORIES.
SO NOW ALL THE STRUCTURES ARE, ALL THE STRUCTURES ARE TWO STORIES.
UH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW,
WE KNOCKED ALL THE DOORS AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT SITES.
AND WE WERE SHARING TO THEM EXACTLY WHAT PRETTY MUCH YOU NOW ARE SEEING.
OKAY? THERE WAS JUST ONE PERSON THAT NEVER OPENED, UH, THE DOOR WHO WAS THE ONE THAT ASKED, UH, US TO, TO TALK TO, TO YOU.
NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MINUTES AGO I WENT TO TALK TO HIM.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW HIM 'CAUSE HE NEVER OPENED HIS DOOR.
UH, I ASSURE IT TO HIM THE SAME THING.
HE SAW IT, HE LEFT BECAUSE HE WAS HAPPY WITH, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, HE'S JUST NEXT, UH, ON THE NORTH SECTION OF, UH, THIS SIDE.
HE'S JUST, HIS HOUSE IS JUST NEXT TO IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
WE'RE TRULY COMMITTED WITH DISTRICT TWO.
YOU KNOW, IN THE EARLIER TODAY, MR. BUSANTE AND MS. WATSON, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF DISTRICT TWO AND EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE THERE.
YES, THERE'S TONS OF THINGS THAT WE CAN OFFER THEM.
UH, PERHAPS YOU HEARD THAT WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE CEMETERIES.
IT MIGHT BE KIND OF SKETCHY TALKING ABOUT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY THERE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO WALK BETWEEN ALL THOSE S IT'S AMAZING WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
UH, SO THAT'S HOW WE ARE, WE'RE TRULY LOVERS OF THIS AREA AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP ON DOING PROJECTS IN ORDER TO PROMOTE THE COMMUNITY.
SO THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE.
SO
DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? UM, THERE'S NO VOICEMAILS.
AND JUST TO CONFIRM, MR. EWING, PETER EWING HAS LEFT.
UNFORTUNATELY, COMMISSIONER WATSON HAD TO LEAVE.
USUALLY THIS MEANS OUR MAYORAL APPOINTEE GETS TO BE IN CHARGE.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M SORRY, SIR, JUST TO ADD, I MM-HMM.
UM, BUT, UH, SHE DID TEXT ME AND, AND ASK THAT WE COULD CONTINUE IF POSSIBLE.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR INVESTING IN THE INNER CORE.
UM, IT, IT MEANS A LOT TO ME PERSONALLY AND, UM, SAN ANTONIO NEEDS MORE OF IT.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ON MY RIGHT.
I LOOKED RIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
THIS TODAY, DIDN'T I?
DID YOU WANT A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE OR
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MOTION? WELL, I MEAN, YEAH.ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
UM, MOTION IS TO CONTINUE FOR TWO WEEKS BY COMMISSIONER CHASE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE DISCUSSION.
JUST AS A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, UH, COURTESY TO OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONER, GIVEN THAT IT IS HER CASE, THIS IS, UH, THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE HEARD IT.
WE DO WANT TO GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE, UH, TO VOTE ON THIS.
AND THAT IS WHY I'M SECONDED THE CONTINUANCE, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THAT INPUT.
AND THOSE ARE MY FEELINGS EXACTLY AS WELL.
UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE.
VOTE FOR A CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER 3RD.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE? WHAT ITEM ARE WE ON NOW? 2 7 2 7 7.
MY NAME IS AFA GONZALEZ, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER 27 IS LOCATED AT 2036 ALVO GOING FROM R TWO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO I D Z TWO.
MEDIUM INTENSITY INFLOW DEVELOPMENT ZONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS.
THERE WERE 31 NOTICES SENT OUT.
WESTWOOD SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARE IN SUPPORT.
THE EXISTING R TWO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS INAPPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED I D Z TWO MEDIUM INTENSITY INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE WITH THESE PERMITTED FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS IS NOT INAPPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPERTY IS 2,775 SQUARE FEET WHILE SURROUNDED BY PROPERTIES ARE LARGER THAN 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
DUE TO THE LIMITED SIZE, THE PROPOSED I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS APPEARS TOO DENSE IN COMPARISON TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THE EXISTING R TWO BASE ZONING DISTRICT LIMITS THE BUILDING HEIGHT TO ONE AND A HALF STORIES AND LIMITS THE BUILDING SLOT COVERAGE TO 50%.
THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS.
THE PROPERTY WAS ALSO RECENTLY REZONED IN AUGUST, 2023 IN A LARGE AREA REZONING FROM MF 33 TO THE CURRENT R TWO BAY ZONING.
DISTRICT STAFF FINDS EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO, IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF WE COULD HAVE THAT APPLICANT PLEASE.
MY NAME IS, UH, ANDREW A ALREDY, AND UH, I'M HERE
SO YEAH, BASICALLY, UH, WE AT PURCHASED OR I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, UH, IN AUGUST, UH, WITH THE IMPLICATION THAT IT WAS ZONED ALREADY MF 33.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY MY PLANS AND, YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT IN GETTING THE PLAN SITUATED FOR THE LOT, UM, WAS FOR THE TWO UNITS BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY ZONED THEN.
UH, AND THEN I GOT A, UH, EMAIL AFTER I SUBMITTED FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE BACKYARD, UH, SAYING THAT IT WAS GONNA BE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING COMPLETELY CHANGED.
UH, AND SO AFTER SPEAKING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, GETTING, UH, THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, THIS PROJECT AND THEN SPEAKING TO THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT I NEEDED TO SPEAK TO, UH, TO GET ME HERE, UM, THIS IS WHERE I'M PROPOSING A I D Z TWO BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST WAY TO GET THIS, UH, PROJECT DONE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BENEFIT, AS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE THERE.
UH, IT'S JUST BEEN AN EMPTY LOT FOR, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE EXISTENCE OF THE LOT
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CHANGE THE LOOK OF THAT.UM, INSTEAD OF A, UH, JUNKYARD TO A NICE LITTLE DEVELOPMENT, AFFORDABLE HOMES, TWO BEDROOM, TWO AND A HALF BATH FOR EACH UNIT.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS, UH, PARKING FOR TWO, UH, CARS, UH, BACK TO BACK, UM, IN THE FRONT THERE FACING SAVA.
SO THEY WOULD BE OFF THE STREET OR, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY UH, SPACES TOTAL PARKING DO YOU HAVE THERE? UH, THERE'S GONNA BE FOUR.
SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE, UH, SO FOUR STACKED? UH, YES SIR.
SO TWO AND TWO AND, UH, THOSE WOULD BE IT RIGHT THERE.
I'M ACTUALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T WANT TO KIND OF ADD TO IT, BUT WE ARE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR THAT OWNS THE LITTLE SLOT OF LAND.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE BCA, THERE'S A LITTLE SLOT OF LAND.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO TRY TO BUY THAT TOO, TO HELP OUT, UH, WITH EVEN MORE, UH, YARD SPACE AND, UH, MORE PARKING.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THIS ISN'T, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MASON.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? NONE.
COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE.
UM, ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY R TWO.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE WHOLE LOT.
THE WHOLE LOT I BELIEVE WAS 2000
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.
UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, AND, AND THIS IS WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE IN THIS CASE, THAT THIS WAS A CASE THAT SORT OF FELL THROUGH THE LARGE AREA REZONING PROCESS.
THAT THE TIMING OF THE PURCHASE AND THE TIMING OF THE L A R ENDED UP WITH A REZONING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IDEAL HERE AND CERTAINLY WASN'T WHAT THE PURCHASER NOW OWNER EXPECTED.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, IN THIS CASE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IN LIGHT OF THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR THE CITY, IN LIGHT OF THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING, UH, AS WE GO AND GROW AS A CITY, AND PARTICULARLY HERE IN LIGHT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORT, UM, I'M GOING TO MOVE AND DO SO MOVE FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR ITEM NUMBER 27.
I'M SORRY, WHICH ONE? WHO SECONDED? COMMISSIONER WITT.
ALRIGHT, MOTIONS FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION LOOKING, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITSETT? YES.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I KIND OF UNDER, I FEEL YOUR PAIN.
I HAD THIS HAPPEN TO ME ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO IN A PROJECT WHERE THEY DOWN ZONE ME AND WE DIDN'T KNOW.
AND IT, SO I, IT'S PART OF WHY I SUPPORT IT, BUT ALSO FROM WHAT HE SAID FROM THE RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT, I APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT? ANY DISCUSSION? NO.
UH, MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER BUS MONTE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT.
AFTERNOON, MARK CHAVEZ ZONING PLANNING WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER 20 IS LOCATED AT 26 15 AND 26 19 NORTH ST.
MARY STREET, GOING FROM R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO C ONE I D Z, LIKE COMMERCIAL INFIELD DEVELOPMENT ZONE WITH ALL REAL ESTATE THE SAME.
THERE ARE 34 NOTICES SENT OUT.
TOPEN HILL COMMUNITY IS NOT IN FAVOR OF C ONE I D Z, BUT IS IN FAVOR IF AMENDED TO NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZERO IN FAVOR AND ZERO OPPOSED OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET STAFF DOES NOT FIND ADVERSE, SORRY, EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS.
IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUESTS, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THERE IS C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH OF SUBJECT SITE.
THE EXISTING R SIX IS AN APPROPRIATE
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ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.THE REQUESTED C ONE LIKE COMMERCIAL IS ALSO AN APPROPRIATE ZONING.
THERE ARE VARIETY OF ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL USES ALONG NORTH ST.
MARY'S, WHICH PROVIDE APPROPRIATE FRAMEWORK FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.
STAFF FINDS THE ADDITION OF THE I D Z IFIELD DEVELOPMENT ZONE AS AN OVERLAY, WHICH WAIVES THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IS A POTENTIAL ISSUE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
MARY'S STREET IS A POPULAR HISTORIC STREET WITH LIMITED PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY AND LITTLE TO NO OFF STREET PARKING FOR EXISTING BUSINESSES.
GUESTS ARE EITHER FORCED TO PARK ON LOCAL STREETS, CLOG IN THE EXISTING RESIDENCE ROADS, AND POTENTIALLY CREATE AN EMERGENCY HAZARDS STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR C ONE LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
AND STAFF IS ABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND I BELIEVE HE'S GOING TO AMEND HIS REQUEST ALSO.
IF WE COULD, UH, THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST.
THANK YOU FOR STICKING IT OUT TODAY.
UH, THE REQUEST THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE TODAY, IT'S BASICALLY TWO OLDER HOUSES, VERY SMALL HOUSES ON 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
THEY'RE ABOUT 1200 SQUARE FEET EACH SQUARE FEET EACH.
UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, ONE OF 'EM, WHICH, WHICH IS HERE WITH ME TODAY.
THEY'VE OWNED THE PROPERTIES FOR DECADES.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN RENTAL HOUSING NORMALLY FOR TRINITY STUDENTS, BUT AS I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH ST.
MARY'S, THAT IT'S JUST NOT SUITABLE FOR SINGLE FAMILY USES ANYMORE.
SO THEY APPROACHED ME AND WE DECIDED TO REZONE TO C ONE.
UH, WE WANT TO KEEP THE STRUCTURES.
OUR IDEA IS THAT THEY WOULD BE USED FOR EITHER SMALL RESTAURANTS, SMALL COFFEE SHOP, MAYBE A SMALL OFFICE BEAUTY SALON, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAD THE ADDED THE I D Z OVERLAY BECAUSE THE WAY THE BUILDINGS ARE CURRENTLY CONFIGURED, THERE'S JUST NO PLACE TO PUT ANY PARKING LOTS.
AND IF YOU SAY THAT WE HAVE TO PARK IT PURSUANT TO THE CITY CODE THAT IS REALLY DESIGNED FOR SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT, IT MAKES THE PROPERTIES UNUSABLE FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
SO WE ADDED THE I D Z OVERLAY AND IN WORKING WITH, WITH TOBIN HILL ON THIS, THEY, THEY DID NOT LIKE THE C ONE.
THEY PREFER THAT WE ASK FOR, FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NC I'M FORMERLY AMENDING TO THAT TODAY.
THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NC AND C ONE IS THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS.
UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL LIMITS YOU TO 3000 SQUARE FEET.
BOTH OF THESE HOUSES ARE IN THE 1200 SQUARE FOOT RANGE.
SO I, I WILL BE FORMALLY, I DO FORMALLY AMEND TO I D Z, I MEAN TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, BUT I NEED TO KEEP THE I D Z BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP THE STRUCTURES.
NOW AS FAR AS THE PARKING, I ALSO HAVE, UH, GREG VETOS WITH ME HERE TODAY WITH ST.
I'M GONNA BE SUBMITTING A ZONING CASE FOR TO YOU TO ADD, UM, A, UH, COMMERCIAL OVERLAY TO THAT PROPERTY TO ALLOW PAID FOR PARKING.
YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH, MOST OF THE TIME THE PARKING IS JUST SITTING THERE EMPTY AND THERE'S A NEED FOR PARKING AT ST.
SO WE'LL BE SUBMITTING A ZONING CASE FOR THAT AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE FIELD NOTES.
SO I BELIEVE THAT WILL ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERN FOR PARKING.
WE'LL BE PARKING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
THE OTHER CONCERN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WAS WITH, YOU KNOW, ALCOHOL SALES AND, YOU KNOW, AND THE OPPOSITION THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED HAS ALL BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECOMING ANOTHER BAR, ANOTHER NIGHTCLUB.
YOU KNOW, THE NC DOES NOT ALLOW FOR A BAR USE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO REZONE FOR THAT AND DOES NOT ALLOW IT FOR A NIGHTCLUB.
AND IF WE'RE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ST.
SO IF SOMEBODY DOES WANNA SELL ALCOHOL AS PART OF A RESTAURANT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO APPLY FOR AN ALCOHOL VARIANCE.
AND AT THAT POINT, UH, WE CAN WORK ON HOURS OF OPERATION OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
I'M ASKING FOR IN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL I D Z OVERLAY.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE.
SO COMMISSIONER KLUM, DO YOU FOR QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA RAISE THIS ISSUE, PATRICK, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS ZONING REQUEST TODAY, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AND SOMEHOW THE ST.
SOPHIA ZONING REQUEST FOR PARKING DOESN'T GO THROUGH THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE PARKING SITUATION AT ALL, RIGHT? WELL, CORRECT.
BUT I'M ALSO GONNA BE SUBMITTING SOME, SOME, UH, PARKING, UH, REQUESTS FOR SOME FOR THE OLD, UH, HUEY'S LOCATION.
IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED AS A STAGING AREA FOR ALL THE ST.
BUT, UH, RICHARD AND MALCOLM HARTMAN, THE OWNERS OF TYCOON FLATS, THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY AND WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING FOR REZONING TO COMMERCIAL PARKING FOR THAT PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE SOME PARKING LOTS COMING, HOPEFULLY, IF Y'ALL WILL SUPPORT IT.
ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE.
COMMISSIONER KLUM FOR A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE NC WITH THE I D Z OVERLAY.
AND DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT.
SO I'M, I'M SOMEWHAT JOKING ABOUT THE PARKING.
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THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT, BUT THAT IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT DOES GIVE ME SOME PAUSE AS I SUPPORT THIS MOTION AS AMENDED.UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO WHEN THOSE CASES COME FORWARD.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? NONE.
COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE.
MARY'S ALWAYS PROBLEMS, ISSUES WITH PARKING.
UM, THE REASON I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT IS BECAUSE OF THE NC AND A, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, YOU CAN'T DO A CLUB THERE.
SO THAT IS, UH, FOR ME, THAT'S WHAT HAS CAUSED MOST OF THE ISSUES WITH PARKING IN THE PAST.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WILL, THE TIMES THAT YOU WILL HAVE ON STREET PARKING FOR THIS AREA ARE FOR THESE SHOPS VERSUS THE, THE, THE CLUBS AND BARS ARE DIFFERENT.
AND SO WITH THAT SAID, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES.
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FINAL ITEM WE HAVE IS FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE AUGUST 18TH ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A SECOND.
MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES.
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DIRECTOR'S REPORT.UH, JUST A REMINDER THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A DISCUSSION ITEM IN CONSIDERATION FOR VICE CHAIR AND POTENTIALLY PRO TEM ON THE NEXT AGENDA, AS WELL AS PROBABLY HAVING AN EARLY WORK SESSION SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE A DISCUSSION FOR PRESENTATION BY MARK CARMONA ON SOME HOUSING POLICIES.
THANK YOU ALL AND THANK Y'ALL FOR KEEPING ME IN LINE TODAY.
UM, THE TIME IS 4 25 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.