* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] I HAD LIKE [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2023. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. CASTILLO. HERE. SAVINO. HERE. ARD. HERE. ZUKA. GUEVARA. HERE. VASQUEZ. HERE. CERVANTES HERE. HOLLAND. AND FETZER. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF OUR TRANSLATORS COME UP. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS MONICA SAVINO. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO YIELD, MAY SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. UM, FIRST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. WE WANT TO WELCOME JASON VASQUEZ FROM DISTRICT SEVEN. UM, HE'S ONE OF OUR NEW MEMBERS TO THE COMPLIANCE TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD, AND HE'S FILLING IN AS AN ALTERNATE FOR ANNEMARIE GROUP TODAY. UM, LIKEWISE WE HAVE KAREN ARD, WHO HAS ATTENDED BEFORE. SHE'S OUR ALTERNATE FOR DISTRICT THREE. UM, BEFORE [Approval of Minutes] WE GET STARTED ON CONSENT ITEMS, WE DO HAVE, UH, ACTION NEEDED FOR MEETING MINUTES. UH, I BELIEVE FROM APRIL 19TH AND SEPTEMBER 6TH. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION THEN. A MOTION? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE APPROVING MINUTES FROM THE 19TH OF APRIL? UH, SO LATE. 'CAUSE WE HAD A VACANCY. UM, SO MEGAN'S BEEN GOING AND KIND OF BACKTRACKING AND WE'VE BEEN CATCHING UP. I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE MEETING TO CATCH UP WITH. OH, SO IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF EDITS OR CHANGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S JUST NO, YOU'VE NEVER TAKEN ACTION ON THOSE MINUTES. GOT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. I WILL MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE 19TH OF APRIL AND THE 6TH OF SEPTEMBER. DO WE HAVE SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. CASTILLO AYE. SINO AYE. REGARD? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MINUTES APPROVED. THANK YOU. CONSENT AGENDA [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] HAS THREE ITEMS ON IT. JUST THREE ITEMS, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS TO PLAY. AND DO COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY FOR DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YES, MA'AM. TO APPROVE ITEMS NUMBER 1, 2, 3 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY COMMENTS? CAN YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO AYE. [00:05:01] SAVINO AYE REGARD? AYE. I'M SORRY. SORRY. I THINK I MUTED TOO QUICK. AYE. YES. THANK YOU. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER? AYE. UH, CONGEN APPROVED IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2212 BROADWAY 1 0 2 BUFORT AND 6 26 BURNETT. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. UH, [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] MOVING ON TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 3 43. UH, A NUMBER OF ADDRESSES ON ROOSEVELT AND EAST SOUTH CROSS, 2929 0 1 AND 28 35 ROOSEVELT 9 92 10 18 AND 9 58 EAST SOUTH CROSS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO FEATURE RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE AND RETAIL STRUCTURES TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE LOTS ADDRESSES. 28 35 AND 2,900 ROOSEVELT 9 58 9 92 AND 10 18 EAST SOUTH CROSS. THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 1901 ROOSEVELT WILL BE REHABILITATED. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SURFACE PARKING AND LANDSCAPING TO INCLUDE A SWIMMING POOL AND DOG PARK. WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING. ONE, THE REHABILITATION OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 1901 ROOSEVELT TWO PERFORMS SITE MODIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION OF SURFACE PARKING LOT SITE PAVING AND VARIOUS LANDSCAPED AREAS. THREE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO FRONT EAST, SOUTH CROSS BOULEVARD. THESE STRUCTURES ARE LOCATED FURTHEST WEST ON THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND ARE AND ARE IDENTIFIED AS BUILDING SEVEN AND EIGHT IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS. FOUR. THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE MIXED USE STRUCTURE TO FRONT EAST SOUTH CROSS BOULEVARD. THE TRUCTURE WILL FEATURE RESIDENTIAL RETAIL AND LEASING AND AMENITY SPACE AND IS IDENTIFIED AS BUILDING SIX IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS. FIVE. THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE MIXED USE STRUCTURE TO BE LOCATED AT THE INTERIOR OF THE LOT WEST OF ROOSEVELT AVENUE. THIS STRUCTURE WILL FEATURE RESIDENTIAL RETAIL AND LIVE WORK SPACE AND IS IDENTIFIED AS BUILDING FIVE IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS. REQUEST. ITEM SIX, THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE RETAIL STRUCTURE TO FRONT ROOSEVELT AVENUE. THE STRUCTURE WILL BE LOCATED TO THE WEST OF ROOSEVELT AVENUE AND IS IDENTIFIED AS BUILDING FOUR B IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS SEVEN, THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE RETAIL STRUCTURE TO FRONT ROOSEVELT. THIS STRUCTURE WILL BE LOCATED TO THE EAST OF ROOSEVELT TOWARDS THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE LOT AND IS IDENTIFIED AS BUILDING FOUR A IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS. REQUEST ITEM EIGHT, THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE MIXED USE STRUCTURE TO BE LOCATED AT THE INTERIOR OF THE LOT EAST OF ROOSEVELT AVENUE. THIS BUILDING IS IDENTIFIED AS BUILDING TWO IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS. NOW ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE RETAIL STRUCTURE TO BE LOCATED TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST OF ROOSEVELT TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE LOT. THIS BUILDING IS IDENTIFIED AS BUILDING THREE IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS REQUEST. ITEM 10, THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE TO FRONT EAST, SOUTH CROSS EAST OF ROOSEVELT AVENUE. THIS STRUCTURE WILL FEATURE AMENITY SPACE AND IS IDENTIFIED AS BUILDING ONE IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS AND REQUESTS. ITEM 11, THE CONSTRUCTION OF VARIOUS SITE ELEMENTS INCLUDING A SWIMMING POOL AND A DOG PARK. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REHABILITATION OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 29 0 1 ROOSEVELT WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT ONE, THAT A COMPLETE REHABILITATION PLAN BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. THAT INCLUDES A COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SET. ALL SCOPES OF REHABILITATION SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS. ORIGINAL MATERIALS, INCLUDING WINDOWS SHOULD BE REPAIRED IF ORIGINAL MATERIALS ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR AND KIND REPLACEMENTS SHOULD TAKE PLACE. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL BUILDING FOOTPRINTS AND GENERAL BUILDING LOCATIONS AND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF GENERAL BUILDING MASSING AND FACADE ARRANGEMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL. THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS APPLY TWO, THAT THE ADDI, THAT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS SHOULD BE ADDED WITHIN VOID SPACES BETWEEN BUILDINGS TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL COURTYARD SPACES NOTED IN FINDING H CURRENTLY THE MAJORITY OF VOID SPACES BETWEEN BUILDINGS IS ACCOMMODATING AUTOMOBILE PARKING. THREE, THAT ALL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS OF THE MISSION MANUAL SHOULD BE MET AND THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD EXPLORE WAYS TO FURTHER SCREEN AND BUFFER PARKING FROM VIEW OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. CANOPY TREES SHOULD BE PLANTED TO SHADE AT LEAST 25% OF INDI OF ANY INDIVIDUAL PARKING LOT FOR THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES BUILDING MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE MISSION. HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL. A MINIMUM OF 75% OF ALL EXTERIOR WALLS SHOULD CONSIST OF TRADITIONAL MATERIALS THAT ARE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE MISSIONS SUCH AS STUCCO, NON-TRADITIONAL MATERIALS SUCH AS METAL TILE OR COMPOSITION COMPOSITION SIDING. COMPOSITE SIDING MAY BE INCORPORATED INTO A BUILDING FACADE AS A SECONDARY OR ACCENT MATERIAL. NO MORE THAN 25% OF EXTERIOR FACADES SHOULD [00:10:01] CONSIST OF THESE NON-TRADITIONAL MATERIALS. FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES WASTE TO REDUCE THE SLOPES OF ALL HIP ROOFS TO REDUCE THEIR PERCEIVED MASSING. AND SIX, THAT EVERY ATTEMPT BE MADE TO MEET THE STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. REGARDING INSTALLATION, PROFILE AND COLOR, THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT FOR AN ARCHEO ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION. UH, THE APPLICANT'S JIM BAILEY AND MICHAEL CLANCY ARE HERE FROM ALAMAR ATTACKS. UH, THERE IS A LETTER OF, UH, SUPPORT FROM THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN YOUR PACKETS. YOU READY? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, MICHAEL, YOU WANNA JOIN ME? SO WE HAVE A, UH, UM, A PRESENTATION THAT COULD TAKE AN HOUR, BUT I UNDERSTAND WE ONLY HAVE, UH, 10 TO 15 MINUTES. UH, WE'VE CUT OUT A LOT OF THE BACKGROUND WORK. UH, I THINK WE WILL, UH, START WITH MICHAEL. FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS, UH, TO GET US TO THIS POINT. WE WENT THROUGH THE REZONING FIRST. UH, WE STARTED MEETING WITH, UH, THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND, UH, STAKEHOLDERS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, UH, TO TALK ABOUT HOPES AND DREAMS BEFORE WE EVER PICKED UP A PEN. UM, HEARD A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK, WAS ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS. UH, AND I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF KIND OF MEETINGS BACK AND FORTH ON THE DESIGN SINCE THAT POINT TO ARRIVE AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO I'M, I'M VERY HAPPY TO KIND OF QUICKLY WALK YOU THROUGH THIS. MICHAEL, YOU WANNA TAKE A SURE. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, TRYING TO BE CONCISE AS POSSIBLE. SO I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE INTRODUCTION TO THE SITE AS WE ALL ARE AWARE. THE, UH, KIND OF IMPORTANCE OF CULTURAL AND SIGNIFICANCE OF THE UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITES, UH, SAN ANTONIO RIVER AND THE SAN ANTONIO, UH, MISSION, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ALRIGHT. UH, SO AS MENTIONED BEFORE THIS, UH, THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED, UH, JUST SOUTH ON SOUTH CROSS AND NORTH OF MISSION SAN JOSE, IN BETWEEN SOUTH CROSS AND V F W BOULEVARD. UM, AND IT'S BASICALLY BORDERED, UH, EAST AND WEST BY THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AND MISSION ROAD. UH, HERE IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS MOSTLY THE EXISTING, UH, STRUCTURES ON SITE AS WELL AS TREE LOCATIONS. UH, THOSE, UH, BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DEMOLISH, UM, MOST OF WHICH ARE ACTUALLY INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE AND OR UTILITARIAN IN NATURE. THOSE BUILDINGS ARE HIGHLIGHTED, UM, IN ORANGE HERE, UH, WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION IN WHITE BEING THE HISTORIC MISSION TERRACE DINNER CLUB, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING TO REHABILITATE INTO A RESTAURANT. UH, ONCE AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, BUT JUST A FEW KEY ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, UM, AS SIGNIFICANT AND THINGS THAT WE REALLY TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN, UH, DESIGNING THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BLUE LINE, UH, THE BLUE LINES THAT RUN ACROSS THIS ARE THE BEARER COUNTY MAP OF ASSIAS. AND THE ORANGEY RED DASH LINE IS ACTUALLY THE O H P ASSIA MAP OVERLAID ONTO OUR SITE. UM, ONCE AGAIN, WE KNOW ARCHEOLOGY IS AT THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE, AND FURTHER INVESTIGATION WILL BE DONE ON SITE TO REALLY KIND OF TRY AND PINPOINT THE LOCATION AND SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPACTS OF THOSE ON OUR SITE. AND OUR, WE REALLY TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL, AND TRIED TO PLACE BUILDINGS TO NOT OVERLAP ANY OF THESE, THESE ITEMS. UM, ACTUALLY, COULD YOU GO BACK ONE, UH, JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS HERE. UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE IMPORTANCE OF HOW THOSE ASAKI STARTED FOR, UH, IMPACTING, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN TERMS OF HOW SOUTH CROSS KIND OF STARTS TO, UH, MOVE ALONG THAT ONE ASAKI LINE TO THE NORTH, AND THEN HOW PADRE MEETS UP, UH, WITH THE ASAKIA LINE, UH, THE MIDDLE PORTION OF THE SITE. AND THEN THE ELONGATED FARMING, UH, PARCELS THAT, UM, WERE USED, UH, TO KIND OF BENEFIT FROM THE NATURAL FLOW OF SAN ANTONIO RIVER. UH, SOME MAJOR ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS, UH, THAT WE PULLED INFLUENCE FROM THE LARGE STONE MASONRY WALLS THAT ARE CLAD AND PLASTER THAT ALSO HELP FACILITATE THE STRONG CONTEST CONTRAST BETWEEN SOLIDS AND VOIDS, UM, AND DECORATIVE PATTERNING THAT HELP WITH, UM, ARCHITECTURAL, UM, KIND OF OR, UH, ORNAMENTATION. AND THEN ALSO THE SAN JOSE TILE, WHICH IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE AREA AS IT WAS, UH, FAMOUSLY MADE ON MISSION SAN JOSE PROPERTY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. UM, AND USES BRIGHT COLORS AND DEPICTS DEPICTIONS OF EVERYDAY LIFE, UH, TO CREATE A PRETTY IMPACTFUL, UH, PIECE OF ART THAT'S BEEN, UM, UH, USED ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND EVEN IN THE CHICAGO WORLD'S FAIR. AND THEN OTHER ITEMS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MISSIONS IN SAN JOSE TILE, UH, BUT MISSION DRIVE-IN IT'S ART DECO STYLE WITH, UH, STUCCO AND KIND OF PUBLIC ART. AND THEN THE MISSION BRANCH LIBRARY WITH ITS, UH, TAPERED, UM, BUTTRESSES [00:15:01] AND SOARING ROOF. THANKS, MICHAEL. UM, UH, JUST, JUST A QUICK ASIDE, UM, THE FIRST SLIDE THAT MICHAEL SHOWED YOU, THERE WAS A, A BIG RED PARCEL THAT WAS OWNED INITIALLY BY ANTONIO HUIZAR. UH, WE HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE OF, UH, HAVING ONE OF HIS DESCENDANTS AS, UH, AS AN INTERN THIS LAST SUMMER. AND SO HE GOT TO DIG INTO THE, UH, THE HISTORY OF HIS, HIS FAMILY'S EXPANSION, UH, THROUGHOUT SOUTH BAYER COUNTY. AND ALSO, UH, WORKING WITH MICHAEL. CREATED ABOUT AN 80 SLIDE, UH, DECK ON CULTURAL HISTORY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'VE, WE'VE TRUNCATED THAT DOWN TO, TO FOUR FOR YOU ALL. UH, BUT IT, IT WAS A REALLY FUN EXPERIENCE. SO, UH, JUST REAL QUICK, SOME METRICS. UH, THIS IS ABOUT 360 APARTMENT UNITS AND ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, UH, CURRENTLY PROPOSED. WHEN, WHEN BUILT OUT IT IS CONFIGURED, THE BUILDINGS ARE CONFIGURED MORE OR LESS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC PROPERTY LINES AND ALSO, UH, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE CONTEXT, UH, PREDOMINANTLY PARALLEL TO SOUTH CROSS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, OF ONE BUILDING THAT SORT OF ROTATES TO BEGIN TO, UH, FACE AND EN AND ENGAGE WITH THE RIVER, THE SOUTH CROSS, UH, TRAILHEAD AT THE, AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. UH, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE DIAGRAM HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT SETBACKS AND BUILDING MASSING. UH, WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT ZONING, UH, THE, THE STREET IMMEDIATELY TO, UH, THE SOUTH OF US HAS A BUNCH OF EXISTING ONE-STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. THEY'RE VERY DEEP LOTS. UM, WE HAVE POSITIONED OUR BUILDINGS TO ENGAGE WITH SOUTH CROSS OUR THREE STORY BUILDINGS TO ENGAGE WITH SOUTH CROSS AND PULL AS FAR AWAY FROM, FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS POSSIBLE. AND IN, IN MOST CASES, WE'RE 250, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES 300 FEET AWAY FROM THOSE HOUSES. AND THAT WAS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORS. OKAY, SO THIS IS A DIAGRAM THAT, THAT, THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW THE SITE IS INTENDED TO BE USED, RIGHT? SO, SO WE ALL KNOW THAT, UM, ROOSEVELT IS A 2017 BOND PROJECT, UM, WITH, WITH MATCHING TDOT FUNDS. UM, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY. THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE REQUESTED, LIKE A, A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER THE RIVER AT ROOSEVELT. IT HAS GONE BACK INTO DESIGN. THE PROJECT'S BEEN DELAYED. HOWEVER, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO ENGAGE WITH, UM, THE, THE NEW MULTIMODAL STREET SECTION, WHICH HAS, UM, BIKE LANES GOING BOTH DIRECTIONS, AND IT HAS, UM, WIDE SIDEWALKS AND A, AND A SHARED USE PATH ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY HERE OF NOTE NOW, AS, AS MICHAEL NOTED, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE, UM, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE OUR UTILITARIAN IN NATURE, AS ARE MANY OF THE BUILDINGS UP AND DOWN, UH, ROOSEVELT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A HIGHWAY WITH THIS GREAT BIG RIGHT OF WAY. UM, BUT, BUT, BUT REALLY THIS IS, THIS IS THE GATEWAY, UH, TO MISSION SAN JOSE, RIGHT? TO, UM, TO THE WHOLE, UH, MISSION DISTRICT. AND SO PART OF OUR JOB AS, AS DEVELOPERS AND ARCHITECTS, IS TO BEGIN TO TRY TO REPAIR THAT OVER TIME AND, AND, AND CREATE A, A FUTURE THAT WE WANNA SEE THAT WORKS FOR, UH, ALL, ALL MODALITIES OF TRANSPORTATION, UM, AS WELL AS VEHICLES. AND SO, UH, WHAT THIS DIAGRAM SHOWS IS, UM, THAT BUILDINGS ARE PUSHED UP TO THE STREET AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE RENDERINGS TO CREATE A ROBUST AND SAFE AND PLEASANT, UH, PUBLIC REALM FOR PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS. WE'VE ALSO CREATED AN INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION PATH, RIGHT? WITH THE IDEA THAT HOPEFULLY FOLKS ARE GONNA COME HERE AND THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA GO DOWN TO THE MISSIONS AND THEY'RE GONNA VISIT, AND THEY'RE GONNA STOP HERE ON THE WAY BACK AND, YOU KNOW, AND GET A COLD DRINK OR, OR GET SOMETHING TO EAT A STICKY SPOT AND, UH, GENERATE SOME, SOME ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, UH, AT, AT, AT THIS IMPORTANT INTERSECTION. UM, AND SO IN BLUE IS THE PEDESTRIAN PATH THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE SITE, UM, COMING UP SOUTH CROSS, UH, THROUGH THE SITE ACROSS A MID-BLOCK CROSSING AT ROOSEVELT, AND, UH, ULTIMATELY TO THE TRAILHEAD AT THE SAN ANTONIO, UH, RIVER, RIVER IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. UH, NEXT SLIDE, ED. OKAY. UH, SO THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, UH, WE, UM, LET'S SEE, WE HAVE THREE MINUTES LEFT. OKAY. SO THE BUILDINGS DRAW INSPIRATION FROM NEWER STRUC, REALLY, REALLY OLD STRUCTURES IN THE AREA, AND REALLY, REALLY NEW STRUCTURES IN THE AREA. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONTEXT TO SPEAK OF BECAUSE NOT A LOT HAS BEEN, UM, BUILT IN THIS PART OF THE SOUTH SIDE IN, IN MANY YEARS. UM, MOST OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS, IS DOWN AT BROOKS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S NOT REALLY A LOT FOR US TO DRAW FROM. UH, WE TOOK SOME LIBERTIES, CREATING A, A [00:20:01] MASSY EXPRESSION WITH PUNCHED OPENINGS, UH, REMINISCENT OF THE MI, THE MISSIONS FOR THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES OR COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS OF THE STRUCTURES. AND, UH, A MORE LIGHTWEIGHT, UM, UH, RESIDENTIAL EXPRESSION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT. UM, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE, THE ENTRY PORTALS TO THE PRO OR TO, TO THE MISSION DISTRICT. UH, THERE'S ONE ON E EITHER SIDE OF ROOSEVELT, AND THE IDEA IS WE HAVE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ART, PUBLIC ART OF SOME KIND, EITHER UTILIZING, UH, THE MISSION SAN JOSE TILE TRADITION, UM, TRADITIONAL MISSION TILE, UH, VERA TILE, UM, PERHAPS, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTEMPORARY TILE MOSAIC MURALS. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE, UM, TO, TO, TO SIGNIFY THESE BUILDINGS, UH, WITH PUBLIC ART. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET LOOKING EAST. UH, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING PULLED RIGHT UP TO THE STREET, AGAIN, MORE PUBLIC ART, AND THAT'S THE, THE MIDBLOCK CROSSING THAT'S PROPOSED THAT WE HAVE. WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND T ON NEXT SLIDE. UH, THIS IS, UH, COMING UP FROM THE TRAILHEAD AT THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER, AND GETTING A SENSE OF WHAT YOU'D BEEN, BE LOOKING AT IMPROVING THE SIDEWALK ALONG SOUTH CROSS, WHICH IS JUST SIX OR SIX FEET RIGHT UP AGAINST THE CURB RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY HIGH SPEED TRAFFIC AND PRETTY HEAVILY TRAFFICKED THROUGH THERE. SO IMPROVING THE STREET SCAPES THROUGHOUT NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS, UM, ROOSEVELT OR SOUTH CROSS EAST OF ROOSEVELT AT THE, UH, EASTERN OR WESTERN ENTRANCE TO THE, TO THE PROJECT WITH, WITH THE LEASING CENTER. AND AGAIN, SHOWING THE, THE KIND OF CHARACTER OF THE MATERIALS AND THE STREETSCAPE NEXT, UH, SOME, UH, GENERAL ELEVATIONS, UH, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW IT'S BROKEN UP, WHAT THE MASSING IS. THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO DO ON THESE. AND I THINK, UM, UM, D R C HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT CONTINUING TO, TO WORK ON THOSE AND, UM, AND SO DID, SO DID STAFF AND THEIR STIPULATIONS, AND WE INTEND TO NEXT. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE HOW QUICKLY I CAN DO THIS. SO, CONCEPTUALLY, WE'RE THINKING OF EVERYTHING IN RED IS SORT OF THE, THE COMMERCIAL ZONE, RIGHT? OR RETAIL ZONE. AND WHILE WE ARE UNDER THE GUIDELINES FOR, UH, NEW CONS, NEW COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION IN THE MISSION, UH, DESIGN MANUAL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LARGELY A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. IT'S 360 PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE THAT ARE CALLING THIS HOME, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, WE ARE FOCUSING ON MEETING THE LETTER OF THOSE GUIDELINES IN THE PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL, UH, AREAS OF THE PROJECT, BUT THEN LOOKING AT A BLEND OF THE GUIDELINES FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL IN THE, IN THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMPONENTS. AND THAT'S IT. AND WE'VE GOT MORE SLIDES, BUT , IF YOU HAVE SOME MORE YOU CAN FINISH. UH, JUST, JUST A COUPLE MORE. THERE'S JUST ONE MORE POINT I KIND OF WANNA MAKE ED MM-HMM. , NEXT SLIDE. UH, JUST NEXT, NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. SO, SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WE HAVE TREATED THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS, UM, UM, WITH A, WITH THE SORT OF HEAVY MASONRY APPEARANCE OF A FLAT ROOF APPEARANCE OF A, OF A PARAPET. UM, BUT THAT WE HAVE HIP ROOFS ON, UM, THE PRIME PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM ALL OF THE RENDERINGS, BECAUSE IT'S THREE ON 12 OR PERHAPS EVEN LOWER, IT IS NOT APPARENT THAT THAT IS A PITCHED ROOF, UH, UNTIL YOU GET PRETTY FAR AWAY, UM, WITHIN ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET OF IT, IT APPEARS AS, AS KIND OF A, AN UNBROKEN CORN SLOT LINE. AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEEING THE EAVES. AND THEN THE, THE FINAL THING WAS ABOUT WINDOWS. UM, WE'RE TAKING, LET'S GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE. WE'RE TAKING A SIMILAR APPROACH, UH, TO THE WINDOWS IN, IN FOCUSING, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, MIDDLE INCOME HOUSING. IT'S NOT SUBSIDIZED IN ANY FORM OR FASHION, AND IT CANNOT SUPPORT, UM, HIGH DOLLAR RENTS LIKE WE'RE SEEING AROUND DOWNTOWN. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE JUDICIOUS IN OUR USE OF MATERIALS AND OUR DETAILING AND UNDERSTANDING, UM, YOU KNOW, PREVAILING STANDARDS OF CONSTRUCTION. WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, WE, WE PROPOSE TO FOCUS ON EVERYTHING IN GREEN, LIKE THE SORT OF DARK GREEN WITH A HIGH LEVEL OF DETAILED DEEP SHADOW LINES AT, AT WINDOWS AND AT STOREFRONT AND SO FORTH. AND ALSO A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF FINISH, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT WHERE PEOPLE ARE, IT'S MOST VISIBLE TO PEOPLE DRIVING BY AND FROM, FROM INTERSECTIONS. UM, EVERYTHING IN, UM, EVERYTHING IN RED IS SECOND TIER, YOU KNOW, A STEP DOWN IN LEVEL OF EXPENSE, LEVEL OF DETAIL. UM, UH, MAYBE A, A TWO INCH SHADOW LINE ON WINDOWS THROUGH A TRIM DETAIL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE SHOWN IN THE PACKET. AND THEN EVERYTHING IN BLUE, LARGELY OUT OF SIGHT, UM, OF THE PUBLIC, A [00:25:01] A MORE MORE TRADITIONAL, UM, UH, WINDOW DETAILING AND FINISHED SYSTEM, LARGELY CEMENTITIOUS SOCIETY. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CITIZEN SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. YES. UM, SO I'LL CALL YOU UP NOW. TERRY IBANEZ, GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, MY NAME IS TERESA AND I AM, UH, 14 AT 1438 NAPIER AVENUE. UM, I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, UM, IN THE HISTORY THAT I WAS IN LIVING, HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SINCE 2003. BUT I GREW UP IN THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT I GREW UP IN ROOSEVELT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AREA. UM, WE HAD SEVERAL DEVELOPERS COME TO TALK TO US ABOUT BUILDING APARTMENTS, NOT JUST APARTMENTS. THIS PROJECT IS GIVING US MANY OF THE THINGS THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR. AS, UH, MR. BEE SHARED, THIS IS THE GATEWAY INTO REACHING MISSIONS. SAN JOSE, THE QUEEN OF THE MISSIONS. IF YOU GO THERE NOW AND YOU WALK ON THAT CORNER, EITHER ON ROOSEVELT OR ON SOUTH CROSS, IT IS A VERY UNATTRACTIVE CORNER. IT HAS BEEN WAITING VERY PATIENTLY FOR THIS KIND OF A PROJECT. THIS PROJECT, THIS DESIGN, IS GOING TO INSPIRE VERY MUCH NEEDED GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL SITE THAT NOT ONLY RESIDENTS OF THOSE APARTMENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS USING THAT SPACE CAN USE THE RESIDENTS ON KELLY BUSILLO AND THE REST OF MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD, PLUS ALL OF THE SOUTH SIDE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE PUBLIC NODES AND TO THOSE BUSINESSES. UH, SO I HOPE THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. I LOVED THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THAT IT IS USING THE MISSION HISTORIC DESIGN MANUAL AS WE HAD HELPED CONSTRUCT. UH, SO I HOPE YOU SUPPORT IT WITH FULL HEART. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND JANE HENRY. HELLO, MY NAME'S JANE HENRY, AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND OUR ASSOCIATION WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTS THIS, UM, THIS PROJECT AND THIS APPLICATION. UH, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS CAREFULLY REVIEWED, UH, THE PLANS AND, UH, UH, THE ARCHITECT AND MR. CHUS HAVE EVEN MET WITH, UH, THE, AS THEY MENTIONED, UH, WITH THE RESIDENTS ON BUSILLO, UH, DRIVE RIGHT BEHIND THE PLANNED APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND, UH, HEARD THEIR CONCERNS. AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPLIED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, GREATER SETBACKS, UM, AWAY FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINES. UH, HE'S, UH, THEY'VE MET WITH OUR, OUR BOARD A COUPLE OF TIMES AND WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION A COUPLE OF TIMES SINCE THE, THE SESSIONS WE HAD ON THE ZONING, UH, WHICH WAS APPROVED. UM, SO FOR THE, UH, DESIGN PLANS, WE, UM, WE ALSO ASKED, UH, WE, WE LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. WE'RE THRILLED FOR A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE, UH, IN THE AREA BETWEEN THE EASTERN MOST BUILDING AND, UM, AND THE RIVER TRAILS. AND THEY COMPLIED. THEY TOOK OUT SOME PARKING SPACES, ADDED SOME MORE LAWN SPACE, AND, UH, THEY'VE JUST BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH. UM, AND WE APPROVE OF THE REHABILITATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 29 0 1 ROOSEVELT, UH, TO RESTAURANT AND PLAZA. AND, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE DESIGN PLANS FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT, UM, UH, MEET WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 2018 MISSION HISTORIC DESIGN MANUAL, AND WILL DEPEND ON THE H D R C AND THE O H P FOR ALL THE DETAILS. UM, I, THE SPANISH STYLE BUILDINGS RESPECTFULLY REFLECT THE ART STYLE AND ARCHITECTURE FOUND AT THE ORIGINAL, UH, OF THE ORIGINAL MISSION, SAN JOSE. AND, UM, THE NEW BUILDINGS AT MISSION MARQUEE PLAZA AND THE UPCOMING WORLD, UM, HERITAGE CENTER IS MY TIME UP. AND WE'RE [00:30:01] VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. WE TOTALLY APPROVE OF IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, STAFF, COULD YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 31, PLEASE? THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS WHERE MY QUESTION COMES FROM. YOU WERE, UM, SPEAKING ABOUT THE, THE, UM, WE'LL SAY RED SHADED AREAS, AND THEN ALSO YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE YELLOW SHADE AREAS, WHICH WERE THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S GONNA BE PRIMARY BUSINESSES IN THE FRONT THERE, BUT THEN YOU STARTED TO ALLUDE TO SOMETHING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL, I THINK IN RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA. AM I HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, OR, YEAH, I WAS TALKING MORE ABOUT THE EXTERIOR EXPRESSION OF THE BUILDING AND HOW THE LANDSCAPE FEELS. UM, I THINK EVERYTHING IN THE SORT OF YELLOW AREA OR BEHIND THE RED AREA FEELS MORE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S MORE, MORE WORK TO DO ON THAT FOR SOME COMMENTS FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. UM, AND WE KNOW WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO TO CREATE MORE COURTYARD SPACES AND MORE INTIMATE GATHERING SPACES. UM, BUT IT'S MORE ABOUT THE, THE, THE EXPRESSION OF THE BUILDINGS AND, UM, THAT IT FEELS MORE COMMERCIAL AND MORE PUBLIC WHERE IT'S READ, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH OUR MATERIAL CHOICES AND THROUGH OUR MASSING CHOICES AND HOW WE COMPOSE THE LANDSCAPE. UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU. AND, UH, MY FINAL QUESTION IS, YOU, UM, MENTIONED TALKING AREA ONE ONE MORE TIME. UM, FRIENDLY. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I WAS HITTING THE BUTTON. THERE WE GO. , MY FINGER WAS TOUCHING SOMETHING, BUT IT WASN'T A BUTTON. SO, UM, YOU MENTIONED PEOPLE FRIENDLY SPACES. SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ADDING MORE GREEN SPACE IN THAT AREA AS WELL? OR WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR DEFINITION OF THAT? PEOPLE FRIENDLY. WELL, THE, THE WHOLE THING IS DESIGNED TO BE, UM, COMFORTABLE FOR PEOPLE TO BE IN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENTS THERE THAT ARE LIVING BACK IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OR WHETHER THEY'RE VISITING THERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING OR, YOU KNOW, STOPPING FOR A DRINK OR A BURGER OR WHAT HAVE YOU. UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, OF SPOTS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALONG THAT PEDESTRIAN PATH THAT I SHOWED YOU IN THE RED AREA THAT WE'RE CALLING STICKY SPOTS. UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE PLANT SOME TREES AND WE HAVE SOME STRING LIGHTS AND SOME PICNIC TABLES AND, AND PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO BE. UM, BUT WE HAVE TO FURTHER DEVELOP, UH, THE, THE LANDSCAPE BEHIND, UM, THE COMMERCIAL AREA IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE 80% DRAWINGS. WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE DONE THAT. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS COMING BACK SO QUICKLY AFTER THE D R C. WE HAD A VERY GOOD D R C. UM, AND MY QUESTION IS, I'M LOOKING AT MY PAGE AND MY ONE DOCUMENT, UH, PAGE 30, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN MAY, YES. THIS ONE YOU HAVE ENUMERATED THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS IN THE ELEVATIONS. AS AN EXAMPLE, WE ARE NOT INCLUDING THE ONES TO THE SOUTHMOST PART OF THE PROJECT, THE TWO L-SHAPED APARTMENTS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 'CAUSE I THINK WE HAD DISCUSSED MAYBE THOSE MIGHT NEED A LITTLE RECONFIGURATION MM-HMM. TO, YOU KNOW, BREAK UP SOME OF THAT PARKING OR CREATE SOME MORE INTERSTITIAL GREEN SPACES OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. OKAY. SO IS THE, ARE THOSE TWO BUILDINGS PART OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL REQUEST? UH, THEY ARE IN SO MUCH AS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING FOR OVERALL CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT. BUT YOU, WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T MIND, UH, A STIPULATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CONTINUE TO STUDY, UM, THE, THE DISPOSITION OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND GREEN SPACES RIGHT. BETWEEN THEM. OKAY. EXACTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMENTS? NOT YET. UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THE STAFF STIPULATIONS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THOSE OR ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH A MOST OR ALL OF THOSE? UH, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH ALL OF THEM WITH STAFF AND WE THINK WE HAVE A PATH TO, TO SOLVING THEM ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, IT'S A VERY THOUGHTFUL DESIGN. THANK YOU. UH, A QUESTION ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, WALKWAY ACROSS ROOSEVELT. YOU ALLUDED TO, OR YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH WITH TXDOT. DOES THAT INCLUDE IT? IT'S, I'VE BEEN ON THAT STREET MANY TIMES. IT'S TRAFFIC GOES BY VERY QUICKLY. MM-HMM. , UM, AND I, I JUST NOT SURE WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH THAT ACROSS STREET THERE. IS THERE GONNA BE PROVISIONS FOR A LIGHT OR SOMETHING? I DON'T KNOW. I, I DOUBT [00:35:01] TDOT'S GONNA GO FOR THAT. HOWEVER, UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES AT OUR DISPOSAL, UM, THAT AREN'T AS GOOD AS A STOPLIGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW, A, A PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATED, UH, FLASHING LIGHT SYSTEM, WE'VE SEEN, WE SEE THOSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ONE YOU MAY BE REALLY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, UH, MULBERRY AT AVENUE B OR AT OR NEAR AVENUE B AT, AT OR AVENUE A AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UM, THERE'S ONE THAT'S BEEN RECENTLY INSTALLED ON, ON URA AT, UM, THE, UM, RECONSTRUCTED SAN JUAN HOMES. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM ALL OVER TOWN, BUT THERE, THERE ARE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT, UM, SYSTEMS THAT COULD BE EMPLOYED. UM, AND OUR, OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS, IS NOW KIND OF WORKING ON A COMPLETE STREETS UPDATE THAT'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE SOLUTIONS WE MIGHT, MIGHT EMPLOY. UM, BUT, BUT WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL, SEVERAL MONTHS OF DISCUSSION, WE THINK, WITH THE CITY IN TXDOT TO GET THIS DONE. MM-HMM. HAVE A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, PART OF THE SUCCESS IT SEEMS LIKE, OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS EARLY COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRANSPARENCY, WHICH I THINK IS WONDERFUL. I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY IT SHOULD HAPPEN FOR SOMETHING SMALL AS, AS WELL AS SIGNIFICANT LIKE THIS. THIS IS REALLY GREAT. UM, WHAT KIND OF PLANS DO YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THOSE NEIGHBORS ON THAT OTHER STREET MOVING FORWARD? WE'RE, WE'RE IN REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I HADN'T REALLY CONSIDERED IT, BUT I ASSUME THAT THERE WILL BE, UH, OTHER MEETINGS AS REQUESTED. RIGHT. YEAH, IT'D BE GREAT. YEAH. TO, TO MEET BEFORE YOU RETURN BACK TO H D C FOR FINAL. OKAY. WE'LL COMMIT TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, UH, ONE LAST QUESTION THEN, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A MOTION, BUT, UM, I WOULD AGREE THAT IT'S A VERY THOUGHTFUL, UH, PROJECT AND, UH, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT, UM, YOU ARE RESPONDING TO THE, UH, MISSION HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND DEFINITELY TALKING WITH THE, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND, AND IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. UM, THIS ONE'S SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ARCHEOLOGY AND THE POSSIBILITY OF IDENTIFYING ASAKIA LOCATIONS ON THE PROPERTY. UM, WILL THAT, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL INFORM YOU, UH, ON YOUR LANDSCAPE DESIGN, SHOULD YOU DETERMINE ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL JUST NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE. THEY'RE CONFLICTING, UM, MAPS. UM, AND SO WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO THE ARCHEOLOGY, BUT SINCE DAY ONE, UM, WE'VE BEEN COGNIZANT OF THAT AND WE'VE BEEN KEEPING BUILDINGS OFF OF WHERE WE THINK THEY ARE. AND WE WOULD, ONCE THEY'RE LOCATED, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION OF T ISLANDS AS OPPOSED TO PARKING STALLS, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, UM, YOU KNOW, AND CERTAINLY KEEPING BUILDINGS OFF OFF OF THAT AND, AND, AND DOING SOME SORT OF INTERPRETIVE, UM, ELEMENT AS WELL. THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND ADD THE STIPULATION THAT THEY CONTINUE TO MEET WITH STAFF, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, PRESENTING THE NEXT PHASE OF THEIR, UH, OF THEIR OPERATION AS, OKAY. THANK YOU. SECOND MOTION IS SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER. NO, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. UM, IT, IT, IT'S GOOD THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING AN EFFORT HERE AND YOU'RE TAKING AN INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY AND I, AND I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I ACTUALLY USED TO LIVE IN THE SAN JOSE APARTMENTS HERE WHEN I WAS A KID, BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. UM, AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ. IT'S REALLY, UH, A GREAT THING TO SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION NOW SUPPORTING FULL-HEARTEDLY. AND, UM, I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU GAIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORT. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE INSIGHTFUL PRESENTATION AND FOR TAKING THE TIME TO RESEARCH MISSION SAN JOSE. UM, I LIKE THE WAY YOU INCORPORATED ITS HISTORY INTO YOUR DESIGNS IN A THOUGHTFUL MANNER. AND THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES DIFFERING FROM ALL THE OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN SAN ANTONIO, WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY. UM, WITH THE GUIDELINES IN MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW YOU RESPOND TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS YOU WORK TOWARDS FINAL APPROVAL. UM, SOME THINGS I WOULD RECOMMEND ARE YOU WORK ON CREATING A BETTER TREE CANOPY. UM, I NOTICED ON, I DON'T KNOW WHICH SLIDE IT WAS, BUT IT WAS THE PARKING AREA. UH, IT REALLY NEEDS A LOT MORE, UH, TREES AND TO MAXIMIZE GREEN SPACE, UM, TO HELP BALANCE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER BEING INTRODUCED. UM, ALSO SCREENING [00:40:01] SOME PARKING LOTS AROUND THE PERIMETER TO REDUCE NOISE AND LIGHTS SPILLAGE, UH, TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND FINALLY, UM, WHERE ARE THE DUMPSTERS GOING AND IS THERE SCREENING FOR THEM? UH, THERE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE SCREENING FOR THE DUMPSTERS, AND YOU WON'T SEE ANY OF THEM FROM THE STREET. ANY IDEAS ON WHERE THEY'RE GOING RIGHT NOW? NOT YET. WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL EARLY. UH, BUT I WILL, I WILL SAY THOSE TREES, THE NEW TREES THAT ARE REPRESENTED ON SITE ARE FIVE YEAR OLD TREES, AND THEY'RE GONNA GROW TO BE SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, FIVE TIMES THAT SIZE. AND, AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE DRAWN IN SCHEMATICALLY WILL PROVIDE ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT CANOPY OVER THE, OVER THE PARKING AREAS OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS. TAKES A WHILE FOR TREES TO GROW. YEAH, I THINK IT WAS MORE TOWARDS THE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE YELLOW. YEAH, WE'LL, WHERE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR SURE WITH A, UH, A ROBUST LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT ACHIEVES ALL THOSE GOALS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. OTHER COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. THANK YOU. UH, ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE D R C, UM, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT I, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING FURTHER DEVELOPMENT ON INCLUDE THOSE SOUTHERNMOST, UM, APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT AND HOW WE ADDRESS OUR IMPERVIOUS COVER. I THINK THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED ABOUT THE TREE CANOPY AND THE PARKING, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE THOSE SOUTHERN BUILDINGS MORE LIKE HOME. RIGHT. UM, UH, LIKEWISE, UM, WE HAD A COMMENT DURING D R C ABOUT THE PERGOLA CAP TO THE TOWER ON ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, CREATING A, A, A VISUAL FEATURE ANCHORING THAT, THAT COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND THAT, UM, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO, UM, WE'RE GONNA WORK ON THAT SOME MORE. SO LOOK AT SOME THINGS. YEAH. YES. AND, UM, IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD RETURN TO D R C BEFORE YOU COME BACK HERE AS WELL. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ADDING TO THAT, OH, ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER QUESTION. ONE OTHER COMMENT ABOUT THE, UM, THE WAY THE ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING IS BEING ADDRESSED MATERIALLY, UM, AND THE EXPRESSION OF RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL, I DO THINK, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR IS VER, IS THIS FOUR? YES. FOUR IS VERY IMPORTANT REGARDING THE PERCENTAGE OF MISSION DISTRICT, UH, GUIDELINE MATERIAL ALLOCATION. UM, AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THAT IS ADDRESSED IN, IN THE ROUND VERSUS PLANAR. PERHAPS IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN MATERIALS ARE DISTRIBUTED AT THE BASE AND A, A MASONRY TYPE AT THE BASE AND SOME OTHER MATERIAL ABOVE, RATHER THAN A PLANER APPLICATION THAT WE OFTEN SEE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, COULD BE, UH, A WAY TO ADDRESS THE GUIDELINES AS WELL AS THE STIPULATION. OKAY. I THINK OUR LARGER POINT WAS THAT IN A COMMERCIAL, UM, IN THE COMMERCIAL GUIDELINES, UHHUH, AND SOMETHING LIKE 75% OF THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS RIGHT. NEED TO BE STUCCO OR BETTER, RIGHT. LIKE STUCCO OR STONE. AND THIS PROJECT CAN'T SUPPORT THAT. MM-HMM. . AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION, THE DISTINCTION, RIGHT? WE'RE WE'RE SETTING CONTEXT THAT IT'S VIEWED AS A COMMERCIAL PROJECT, YOU KNOW, UNDER, UNDER THE COMMERCIAL CODE, WE'RE REALLY CREATING A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM. . AND SO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FOCUS THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE MORE EXPENSIVE MATERIALS IN THE, THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN DISTRIBUTING THEM IN A LESSER PROPORTION AROUND, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS. I THINK THAT WAS THE BIG IDEA. BUT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WANNA SEE THAT A LITTLE MORE GRAINED. YES. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU WOULD, YOU GUYS WOULD BE WORKING ON ANYWAY. YEAH. YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO, SO I UNDERSTAND, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, LET'S SAY 75%, YOU'RE FOCUSING IT ON, UM, ONE AREA RATHER THAN DISTRIBUTING IT ACROSS MANY BUILDINGS. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY MY STIPULATION THAT THE STIPULATION IS A D R C PRIOR TO COMING BACK AGAIN FOR PRESENTATION OF FINAL PRODUCTS. MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. YEAH, WE WOULD DO THAT ANYWAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE SLIDE THAT MONICA MENTIONED, OR COMMISSIONER, UH, SAVINA MENTIONED ON THE PERGOLA WHERE IT HAS THE FLOWERS ON THE PILLARS. IS THAT GETTING TOO GRANULAR RIGHT NOW? UM, OR DO YOU HAVE IDEAS AS TO WHAT YOU, WE DISCUSSED IT IN, IN D R C, YOU KNOW, THE, IN, IN OUR MINDS THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF AN UNRESOLVED SET OF OBJECTS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME GEOMETRIC IN INCONSISTENCIES, THERE'S SOME, SOME DETAILING INCONSISTENCIES AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST NEED TO STUDY A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE DO FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE SOME SORT OF, UM, MONUMENTAL ELEMENT AT THOSE CORNERS AND THAT IT BE A ROOF OF SOME KIND. UM, DOES IT NEED TO BE EXACTLY THAT SHAPE OR THAT [00:45:01] FORM? YOU KNOW, IT, THERE, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT SHAPES AND FORMS THAT IT COULD TAKE. AND, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE THAT FOR SURE. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO AYE. SAVINO AYE REGARD? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GUEVARA AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 1 14 DEBERRY STREET, ITEM SIX ON THE AGENDA, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 25 7 1 14 DEBERRY STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT ONE 14. DEBERRY STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH U WITH FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES PROPOSED MASSING AND SCALE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. IN PARTICULAR, INCORPORATING AN OVERALL BUILDING WIDTH OR ARRANGEMENT OF BAYS THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. AS NOTED IN FINDING G TWO, THAT AS NOTED IN FINDING J, THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON THE FRONT PORCH FEATURES PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH AND A STANDARD GALVAO FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION. THREE THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMS WHICH DOOR MATERIAL WILL BE USED IS NOTED IN FINDING M FOUR THAT A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED. AS NOTED IN APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND IN FINDING N FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT AMENDS A PROPOSED FENESTRATION PROFILE TO INCORPORATE WINDOWS THAT FEATURE A 1 0 1 PROFILE RATHER THAN THE FIXED CLARA STORY WINDOWS PROPOSED AS NOTED IN FINDING O SIX THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT LOADING GARAGE BE ELIMINATED AND THAT PARKING SHOULD BE LOCATED ELSEWHERE ON SITE IS NOTED IN FINDING R SEVEN THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS NOTED IN FINDING T EIGHT ARCHEOLOGY AND ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED IF EXCAVATIONS ARE NECESSARY, NEAR THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, IMPACTS TO THE UPPER LABOR OF SIA SHOULD BE AVOIDED. PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY. AS APPLICABLE, A FOUNDATION INSPECTION SHOULD BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF TO ENSURE FOUNDATION SETBACKS AND HEIGHTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH APPROVED DESIGN. INSPECTION IS TO OCCUR AFTER THE INSTALLATION OF FORM WORK AND PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF FOUNDATION MATERIALS. AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK ON THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF TO VERIFY THAT ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. UM, WE HAVE, UH, NO LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE. THERE'S ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND THEN WE HAVE APPLICANT JIM TOFOYA HERE IN PERSON. IT'S GONNA TAKE ME A SECOND TO LOAD THIS, SO WANT, LET'S, OH, LET'S USE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY, GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN. SO I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UH, THE ACTUAL PLANS THAT WE'VE DESIGNED. SO THERE'S, UH, BEEN SOME CHANGES JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY. UH, ONE OF THE, UH, PREVIOUS D R C H D R C MEETINGS WHEN I WAS OUT UP HERE PRESENTING, I MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A SETBACK. IT WAS AN EASEMENT SETBACK SETBACK, UH, 10 FOOT EASEMENT UTILITY SETBACK, UH, WHICH PRETTY MUCH TOOK US BACK INTO THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS. OKAY. OR TO THE REDESIGN BECAUSE, UM, OF THE UTILITY SETBACK IN THE REAR. AND I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND POINT OUT, UH, BRING UP THE SIDE PLAN SO I CAN KIND OF GIVE YOU AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE. SO THIS IS THE, THE ACTUAL SURVEY DIMENSION OUT. AND IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE, UH, SEE THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER, WE'VE HAD A A 10 FOOT PRIVATE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT. AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING UTILITIES, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO BRING IN THE SEWER WATER'S GONNA BE PROVIDED UP THROUGH THE FRONT, UH, OF THE DEBERRY, UM, STREET. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING THE SEWER INTO THIS AREA. WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING CLOSER INTO THIS, UM, WE LOOKED UP THE U D C CODES. AND FOR ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION, RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S A 20 FOOT SETBACK THAT WE HAVE TO HONOR. WHAT PREVIOUSLY WE HAD HAD THE BUILDING SCALED ALL THE WAY BACK TO ABOUT FIVE FOOT SETBACK. SO THIS IN TURN TOOK US BACK TO RETHINKING, REDESIGNING THIS, THE ENTIRE LAYOUT. SO IF WE LOOK AT JUST THE SETBACKS ALONE, WE'VE GOT FIVE FOOT SETBACKS ON EACH SIDE. WE'VE GOT A 14 FOOT SETBACK, UH, AT THE FRONT, AND THEN WE HAVE THE 20 FOOT SETBACK AT THE REAR. [00:50:01] SO JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE NOW WITH POSITIONING THE BUILDING. THE MOST NOTABLY CHANGE WITH THE REDESIGN IS THAT THE BAY AREA IN THE SOUTHMOST PART OF THE, UH, PHOTO THERE THAT HAD TO SHIFT FORWARD TOWARDS DEBERRY OR SHIFT TO THE, UM, TO THE WEST TO MAKE THE, THE, THIS WHOLE STRUCTURE FIT. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE, UH, THE BIGGER CHANGES. UM, SO WE'VE NOW, UH, PUT IT TOGETHER AND THIS IS, UH, WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, IF WE LOOK AT THE, THE LAYOUT, THE ENTRANCE WE'VE, THERE WAS ANOTHER STIPULATION ABOUT THE ENTRANCE. AND SO WE'VE MOVED THE GARAGE DOOR TOWARDS THE FRONT. THE FRONT PART IS GONNA BE THE LIVING AREA, THE DINING, AND THEN THE KITCHEN TOWARDS THE BACK. SO IT'S BEEN SUPER IMPORTANT TO THE FAMILIES TO ALWAYS HAVE THE KITCHEN IN THE BACK WITH THE BALCONY BALCONY. SO WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. HOWEVER, IT'S STILL QUITE CONDENSED BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRIMARY BEDROOM, UH, IT, IT'S NOT AS BIG AS WE WANTED IT, AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE WERE, WE HAD TO SHIFT THE WHOLE, THAT RIGHT SIDE BAY TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE HOME. SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT TOO OVERLY, UH, SQUARE FOOT WISE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SQUARE FOOT ON THE FIRST FLOOR. SO IN ORDER TO CONVERT THIS AND MAKE THIS PROJECT A, UH, THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, OR TWO AND A HALF BATH, WE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, PUT A SECOND STORY ON IT. SO, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS THE, UM, UH, WEST ELEVATION OF COURSE, SHOWING YOUR FOUNDATION HEIGHTS, YOUR, UH, TOP PLATE, TOP PLATE OF THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THEN YOUR HIGHEST RIDGE, WHICH IS AT 26 FOOT FIVE INCHES. AND WE'VE GOT A FOUR AND 12 ROOF PITCH. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS WOULD BE THE REAR ELEVATION, WHICH WOULD HAVE A BALCONY, UH, AT THE TOP WITH A PORCH COVERED PORCH ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE GARAGE, SIDELOADED GARAGE ON THE RIGHT. OKAY, NEXT SLIDE. OF COURSE, THE LEFT AND NORTH ELEVATION. WE'VE WORKED, UH, WITH D R C ON NUMBER OF OCCASIONS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE WINDOW SITUATED CORRECTLY. SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH THAT THERE. AND THE NEXT SLIDE, JESSICA, AND OF COURSE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION. AND AGAIN, WE HAD TO RECONFIGURE THE BEDROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEPT THE WINDOWS, UH, ON A ONE OVER ONE CONDITION. SO ESSENTIALLY NOW WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS WE HAVE BOTH OF THE BEDROOMS SIDE BY SIDE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AND THEN THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE HAVE A, UH, THE BATHROOM JUST TO MAKE SURE WE KEPT THE CONFIGURATION OF ONE OF ONE ON THE WINDOWS. NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS YOUR ROOF, THIS, SO 4 1 12 ON YOUR SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN WE'VE GOT, UH, OVER THE GARAGE, WE'VE GOT A THREE AND 12. AND ON THE FRONT PORCH WE'VE GOT A, A FOUR AND 12 ON THE, UH, FRONT PORCH AS WELL. AND, UH, NEXT SLIDE. AND THESE ARE THE DETAILS. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, GO AHEAD AND PULL UP THE, UH, FOLDER IT'S STATED TODAY, THE FOLDER ON THE, THE DRIVE AND IT'S DATED. OKAY, SO WE MET WITH D R C, UH, LAST WEDNESDAY, AND WE TOOK SOME NOTES HERE. AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, KIND OF COVER WHAT WE WENT OVER. SO THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST SO THE OVERALL COMMENTS, UH, THERE'S THREE THINGS IS CONSIDER ADDING MORE WINDOWS ON THE BLANK WALLS AND AREAS. THIS COMMENT, UH, REFERRED TO THE FRONT, UH, MASTER BEDROOM, UH, IN ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CORNER WINDOWS. UH, ONE OF THE CORNER WALLS, I APOLOGIZE, IS WHERE A WINDOW WAS SUGGESTED. AND THEN UPDATE THE PLANS TO RECTIFY THE MISSING ELEMENTS. ON THE SECOND FLOOR, I HAD MISSED, UH, A BALCONY SEPARATION WALL UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR BETWEEN THE, UM, THE BALCONY AND THE SECOND, UM, LOFT AREA. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STAFF, THERE'S, WHEN WE DISSECTED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH TWO THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND ONE OF THEM IS THE, THE SCALE AND MASSING, IT'S ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS. AND THE SECOND [00:55:01] ONE IS THE SIDE LOADING GARAGE. SO THE NEXT SLIDES HERE ARE GONNA KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT ON, UH, THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE FACING AND THE CHALLENGES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TO KIND OF GO THROUGH TO GET TO THIS PARTICULAR POINT. SO IF YOU CAN GO, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, JESSICA. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT A VICINITY MAP, UM, I THINK YOU WENT TOO FAR. YEAH. OKAY. SO ON THE VICINITY MAP HERE, I'VE GOT THE LOT AND THE SETBACKS, AND THESE ARE THE SURROUNDING, I TOOK JUST A SCREENSHOT OFF THE, UM, THE ONE STOP MAP, AND THEN I USE THE SCALING SCALE AT THE VERY BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER TO KIND OF SCALE EVERYTHING TOGETHER. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE ACTUAL LOT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THE OTHER LOTS, BUT THEN WHEN YOU PUT THE SETBACKS AND THOSE CONDITIONS, IT JUST REALLY CONDENSES THINGS. SO WE HAD TO BE REALLY CREATIVE WHEN WE'RE PUTTING THIS BUILDING TOGETHER. JUST NEXT SLIDE. I THINK YOU WENT A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR. GO BACK UP. OKAY. SO IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE, THE 2 0 9, THE PROPERTY THAT HAS THE 2 0 9 ADDRESS, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR LAYOUT, OKAY. ONCE WE SCALE THE, THE BUILDING AND THE HELM WHERE IT'S GONNA ACTUALLY FIT, IT'S GONNA BE RELATIVE TO VERY CLOSE IN PROXIMITY TO THE 2 0 9 ADDRESS. SO IF WE WERE TO TAKE THAT AND JUST PUT THAT IN THE BUILDING, THAT'S TO ME THE CLOSEST THAT WE CAN GET TO SHOW AN AERIAL, UH, AN AERIAL VIEWPOINT OF WHAT THE FOOTPRINT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITHIN THE SETBACKS. SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THIS IS THE AERIAL LOT PERIMETER, AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR SOME TIME. AND SO, UH, I PUT THIS TOGETHER TO KINDA SHOW YOU WHERE THE HOME WOULD ACTUALLY BE SITUATED. AND IF YOU NOTICE FIRST THINGS, IT'S THAT THE, THIS HOME WOULD BE THE ONLY HOME FACING THE ACTUAL DEBERRY STREET IN THAT DIRECTION. A SECOND THING THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT WE HAVE, UM, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE SOUTHEAST, UH, WE'VE GOT A NICE CANOPY OF TREES. THE BIG TREE RIGHT THERE AT THE VERY, VERY CORNER THAT BELONGS TO, UH, THE NEIGHBOR JUST, UH, SOUTH OF US. AND IT, UH, THAT ALONG WITH SOME OTHER TREES ON THE PARTICULAR LOT JUST PROVIDE A LOT OF, UH, CANOPY AND PRIVACY TO THE BALCONY AND TO THE BACK PORCH. OKAY, THE NEXT SLIDE, AND THIS IS AGAIN, I USED THE BEST SCALING TOOLS THAT I COULD TO KIND OF SCALE ON THE FOOTPRINT THAT I HAVE TO PUT THIS BUILDING ON, ON WHAT WE WERE DESIGNING, WHAT WE HAVE LEFT, UM, TO ACTUALLY PUT THE BUILDING. OKAY, THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SCALING AND MASSING, I THOUGHT IT, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE OTHER BUILDINGS, WHAT THE HEIGHTS LOOK LIKE. AND SO EVERYTHING IN, EVERYTHING IN IN THE RED, UM, HIGHLIGHTED BOXES, I POINTED OUT SOME OF THE HEIGHTS OF THIS PARTICULAR NEARBY HOMES. SO THE HOME JUST TO THE WEST OF US WOULD BE THAT MEASURES WERE ROUGHLY AROUND 27 FEET IN HEIGHT. IF WE GO CLOCKWISE, THE MULTI-FAMILY RIGHT THERE OFF OF GLENDALE, THAT ONE MEASURES 32 FEET IN HEIGHT. KEEP GOING CLOCKWISE, 27 FOOT IN HEIGHT, 28 FEET HEIGHT IN THE VERY TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER. WE'RE AT 25. AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THAT THE HOME THAT WE'RE WANTING TO CONSTRUCT HERE IS 26 FOOT FIVE INCHES. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL GIVE YOU SOME KIND OF IDEA IN SCALE, IN SIZING AND WHAT THAT'S LOOKING LIKE. AND I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE, THE LAST SLIDE? YEAH, THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE. SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE COMING TO YOU GUYS FOR A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. JUST CAN YOU PUT UP THE, UH, SETBACK, THE, THE SITE SITE PLANS, SORRY, ON THE FLOOR PLANS SITE PLAN ENABLE TO, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS BUILD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY SETBACK ON THE REAR, THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE PORCH, THE BACK PORCH IS GONNA ENCROACH INTO THAT PROPERTY SETBACK. AND SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S MORE WORK TO DO. UH, UM, OUR NEXT GOAL IS TO GO AND MEET WITH THE, UM, ZONING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET INTO VARIANCE TO GET THAT ADJUSTED. I THINK PREVIOUS, THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION THEY TALKED ABOUT THE SIAS, AND WE HAVE THE SAME SITUATION AT THIS PROPERTY AND WE HAVE THE APRIL, UH, UPPER VOYA. UM, SECOND WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH [01:00:01] AN ARCHEOLOGIST WHO'S, UM, WE'VE BEEN IN GOOD COMMUNICATION, HAD SEVERAL PIECES OF COMMUNICATION AND, UH, HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS WHEN EXCAVATION COMES IN ORDER FOR, IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THE UTILITIES BACK IN THAT AREA. SO AGAIN, IN CLOSING HERE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL SO THAT WE CAN GO TO THE ZONING AND APPLY FOR A, UM, ADJUSTMENT SO WE CAN FIT THIS, THIS PROPERTY ON THIS LOT. OKAY. SO I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. YEAH, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN HERE TO SPEAK. OH, I'M SORRY. UM, SO CHRIS CRYSTAL, COULD I GET THAT? PAGE 26? PAGE 26. IT'S A SEVEN IN THAT PROPOSAL. UH, THAT'S IT. YEAH. HI, MY NAME IS, UH, CHRIS CRYSTAL. I LIVE AT 6 7 7, UH, EAST WOODLAWN. I AM DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, LIVED HERE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS AND, UH, THE PROPERTY'S BEEN VACANT FOR MAYBE THREE OR FOUR, UH, LAST YEARS. UM, IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN AN INDIVIDUAL LOT. UH, IT IS A SHAME THE SHAPE THAT IT IS AND THE CONSTRAINTS THAT THESE GUYS ARE HAVING TO GO THROUGH TO TRY TO BUILD A HOME THAT THEY RIGHTFULLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD. UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE TRYING TO SHOVE A LARGE SQUARE, UH, PEG INTO A PARALLELOGRAM, UH, HOLE, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT? AND, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH WHAT IT IS. I HOPE THAT THEY BUILD A HOME. I HOPE I HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. I REALLY WANT TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP AND I DON'T WANT TO BE, UH, CARING, IF YOU WILL, OR A NIMBY, BUT I DO HAVE ISSUE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION. THIS IS WHAT I SEE. MY BACK PATIO IS A FIRST FLOOR. I'M A ONE STORY HOME. MY BACK PATIO FACES THIS, UM, SECTION RIGHT HERE. THAT CANOPY THAT WAS ALLUDED TO, UH, DOES NOT BLOCK THAT BALCONY WHATSOEVER. THIS HOUSE IS BEING BUILT FIVE FEET FROM MY BACK FENCE. MY BACK FENCE IS ONLY 25 FEET OR SO FROM MY BACK PATIO. SO FOR MY BACK PATIO, LOOKING ABOVE MY FENCE, I WILL HAVE A 13 FOOT BALCONY STARING DIRECTLY INTO MY PATIO. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERHEAD VIEW THAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT BALCONY LOOKS INTO THREE OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL BECAUSE OF JUST A, SUCH A SHORT, UM, SUCH A SHORT, YOU KNOW, SMALL FOOTPRINT. UH, FOUR YEARS AGO THAT LOT WAS ONE LOT, IT WAS THREE 18 MULBERRY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. A GUY BOUGHT IT DIVIDED IN HALF SUB, SUB SOLD ONE SECTION THAT'S AT PARALLELOGRAM. UH, AND THEN IT HAS BEEN, UH, BOUGHT AND SOLD THREE TIMES IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND EVERYBODY HAS FAILED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUILD ON THIS LOT. I APPRECIATE THEIR DESIGN AND YOU KNOW, THEM COMING BACK HERE. AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES NOW. UH, TAKING TIME OFF WORK. I'M NOT SPEAKING AGAINST THE PROPERTY, BUT I DO WANT TO LET EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS I'M DEALING WITH. DO I HAVE TIME? HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE? TWO SECONDS. OH, AWESOME. TWO SECONDS. UM, I'VE GOT FLOODING ISSUES RIGHT NOW. THIS THING IS FIVE FEET FROM MY BACK FENCE. THERE IS A ROOF, TWO FEET, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO STORIES UP COMING DOWN. I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH CONCRETE GOING IN, UH, TO CONTRIBUTE TO MORE FLOODING ISSUES THAT I'VE ALREADY GOT. UH, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, MR. CHAIR, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU FOR UPDATING US ON THE, UH, 20 FOOT SETBACK ALONG THE BACKSIDE AND YOUR EXPECTATIONS FOR THE PATIO AND THE SECOND FLOOR ABOVE IT, BECAUSE THAT'S CLEARLY AN ENCROACHMENT, UM, AND WOULD REQUIRE VARIANCE. UH, ALONG THOSE SAME LINES OF, UM, OF, UM, ZONING, 'CAUSE I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER, BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WITH THE ZONING THAT YOU HAVE CURRENTLY, DO YOU REALIZE THAT, UM, YOUR 20 FOOT SETBACK THAT YOU'RE APPLYING TO YOUR GARAGE TO MOVE THAT UP IS ONLY IN EFFECT BECAUSE THE GARAGE IS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. IF IT WERE DETACHED, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK. DO YOU? UH, DO YOU KNOW THAT? YES. YES. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. YES. AND BECAUSE IT'S THE ATTACHED GARAGE. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT CONVERTS IT. ABSOLUTELY. YES. THAT WAS MADE CLEAR BY, UH, STAFF. THEY HELPED US OUT WITH THAT ONE, BUT YES. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SURE. YES. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, HOW DO YOU, UM, I FORGET HIS NAME, BUT THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SPOKE, UH, MR. CRYSTAL, UH, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE, UH, WATER ISSUE THAT HE BRINGS UP? THE IMPERVIOUS ISSUE? SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE'VE HANDLED THAT IN THE PAST. OKAY. WHETHER IT BE GRADING, GRADING TOWARDS THE DEBERRY STREET, GRADING [01:05:01] TOWARDS THE BACK, WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THAT OKAY. TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE BEST GONNA INTEGRATED IT. BUT OUR ANTICIPATION IS THAT, NUMBER ONE, THE SOILS, UH, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ARCHEOLOGISTS, THE SOILS, HE'S RECOMMENDING THAT AT LEAST 12 INCHES BE DUG, DUG UP BEFORE WE START PUTTING SOME KIND OF BASE DOWN THAT'LL STABILIZE THE FOUNDATION. PAST THAT WE WOULD BE UP 12 INCHES AS SHOWN IN THE, UH, THE PLAN HERE. BUT THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH GRADING THE PROPERTY CORRECTLY. SO IT JUST DOESN'T, UH, BEING A SWELL, BEING A, YOU KNOW, A BERM OF SOME KIND TO PREVENT RUNOFF FROM GOING INTO HIS PROPERTY. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU. AND THAT WOULD GO TO DEBERRY STREET, MY, FROM SITE VISITS, FROM SITE VISITS AND BEING THERE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TOWARDS DEBERRY STREET. I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WAY WOULD RUNOFF TOWARDS DEBERRY. YES. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE IS HOW TO PLANT SOMETHING IN YOUR YARD TO, UH, MITIGATE THE SIGHT LINES FROM THE, FROM THE BALCONY IN LOOKING AT THE, IN THE DRAWINGS WHERE YOU INCLUDE TREES FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS. UH, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF BY THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT REALLY, UM, IN, IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT'S COME UP AND IT'S GREAT, UH, QUESTION THAT'S COME UP. AND SO, UH, THE SOLUTIONS TO THAT WOULD BE TO PUT SOME KIND OF A BLIND UP OF SOME KIND TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A, A COVERING OR A BLIND OR PARTITION OF SOME KIND OVER THE TOP BALCONY. SO THAT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE. THAT'S ONE SOLUTION. ANOTHER SOLUTION WAS, IS TO COME UP WITH A, UM, A SHRUB, SOME KIND OF SHRUBS THAT WOULD GROW. UM, RED TIPS, UH, FOR TONY AS RED TIP FOR TONY IS TO, TO GROW TO JUST TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, BOTH, UH, PARTIES SOME PRIVACY. SO WE'RE TOTAL RESPECT OF HIS WISHES AND HIS CONCERNS AND ALL THAT. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IF OTHER NEIGHBORS HAD CONCERNS, THEY WOULD BE HERE TOO. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF HIM FOR SURE. AND SO THAT WOULD BE A SOLUTION, IS TO COME UP WITH A SHRUB, AH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, SOME KIND OF SHRUBS, UM, TO, UH, ADD SOME ADDITIONAL PRIVACY. BUT YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SIR. SO FOLLOWING UP ON THAT QUE ON THAT STATEMENT YOU JUST MADE. SO WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING A SHADE OR SOME TYPE OF, UM, RED TAPE THERE AS YOU SUGGESTED, UM, SO THEN THAT TAKES AWAY, AND I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE NEIGHBOR WHO JUST SPOKE, BUT, SO IF YOU PUT A SHADE THERE, THEN, THEN IT TAKES AWAY YOUR VIEW. SO HOW, HOW LOGICAL IS THAT THAT YOU WOULD PUT A SHADE THERE IN ORDER TO DO THAT? BECAUSE THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF THE BALCONY? THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND THAT WOULD BE TO THE, UH, SOUTH, UH, SOUTH SIDE. THAT'S THE ONLY PA PLACE THAT WE WOULD PUT SOME KIND OF A, A PARTITION BLIND OF SOME KIND SO THAT WE HAVE PRIVACY BETWEEN THE SOUTH LOT FOR MR. UH, CHRIS HERE. SO IT WOULD ONLY BE THERE, WE WOULDN'T COMPLETELY ENCAPSULATE THE TOP BALCONY WITH SHADING MATERIALS. IT WOULD BE THAT PORTION OF IT. JESSICA, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING UP THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION? SO, AND, AND I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR. SO PUTTING SOMETHING UP IS THE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING YOUR NEIGHBOR PRIVACY, UM, BECAUSE THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BASICALLY TOWERING OVER THEM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO, LOOKING INTO THEIR PROPERTY. SO, UM, I WOULD JUST, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING TO, TO WORK THERE. I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING OUTTA QUESTIONS. THIS IS NOT A QUESTION. SO, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH DISCUSSION WITH THAT. BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ABSOLUTELY. AND I BELIEVE WE'RE BOTH ON THE SAME, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT US TO BUILD THE APPRECIATE THAT. AND YES, SUBDIVIDING THE LOT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE, THAT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS SUBDIVIDED PREVIOUSLY, SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE, BUT APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT. THANK YOU. YES. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, I'VE, UM, I'VE BEEN CONCERNED FROM DAY ONE ABOUT THE DEPTH OF THE BACK PORCH AND ESPECIALLY THE BALCONY. AND, UH, HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO MR. CRYSTAL'S CONCERNS THAT, UH, A 13 FOOT DEEP BALCONY IS OVERLOOKING, UH, HIS PROPERTY AND THE OTHER PROPERTIES ON THE REAR OF YOUR LOT? RIGHT. IT WOULD BE THAT 13 FULL SECTION, 13 FOOT SECTION ON THAT SOUTH WALL ONLY. THAT WOULD BE THE, SO WE WOULDN'T, AGAIN, ENCAPSULATE AND I THINK WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS FROM THE OTHER NEIGHBORS. AND SO IF THAT'S A CONCERN, AGAIN, THE SOLUTION WOULD BE SOME KIND OF SHRUBBERY, SOME KIND OF, UH, UH, PARTITION OR SOME KIND, [01:10:01] NOT EXACTLY PARTITION, BUT, UH, SOME KIND OF A BLIND SYSTEM THERE TO, UM, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PRIVACY. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SENSITIVE TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRIVACY ISSUE. AND THAT WOULD BE WORKING HAND ON HAND. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH HIM WHEN IT GETS TO THAT POINT, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THESE MATERIALS? DOES THIS LOOK, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE? DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS WOULD WORK FOR YOU? AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAIN TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THE PRIVACY IS, IS RESPECTED. YEAH. I GUESS TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, IS A 13 FOOT DEEP, 13 BY 26 FOOT BALCONY CRITICAL TO MAKING THIS A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT? AND THAT'S A GREAT, BECAUSE IT NEED TO BE 13 FEET DEEP. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THE IMPORTANCE IS TO GET THE BALCONY. SO, SO THE REASON, THE MAIN THING THAT THE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, JUST COMMUNICATED TO ME WAS SUPER, SUPER IMPORTANT. LET'S GET A KITCHEN TOWARDS THE BACK WHERE WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATION COMMUNITY WITH OUR NEIGHBORS FAMILY. ALSO, THE BALCONY IS IMPORTANT. THOSE ARE THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTA HAVE. SO IN DOING SO, WE SAID, OKAY, SO IN ORDER TO KEEP AN ALIGNMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, HISTORICAL GUIDELINE GUIDELINES IN KEEPING THE ROOF TO CUT THE ROOF BACK AND TO LEAVE THAT SHADED, THAT WOULD REQUIRE MORE STRUCTURAL WORK IN BRINGING THE TOP BALCONY, IT'S STILL GONNA EXTEND OUT BECAUSE OF THE ROOF COVER. RIGHT. BUT ON THAT SECOND FLOOR, IF WE WERE TO PULL THAT BACK, I DUNNO, THEY WOULD MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE ON THE, WELL, THE DIFFERENCE IT WOULD MAKE IS ACTUALLY ON THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS TO FRAME THAT THING IN, PULLING IT BACK OUT. BUT I THINK THE WHOLE THING WAS KEEP THE BAYS IN ALIGNMENT, ROOF FORMS, UH, CONSISTENT SO WE COULD GET IT THROUGH, GET AN APPROVAL THROUGH THE, UM, GET IT THROUGH O H P. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ. SO BESIDES MR. CRYSTAL, HAVE YOU ENGAGED THE OTHER NEIGHBORS? THAT'S GOOD QUESTION. SO PREVIOUSLY, UM, WE'VE MET WITH, UM, EARLY ON, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SINCE I THINK MARCH, APRIL TIMEFRAME. SO WE'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES AND WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, D R C AND ALSO WITH RIVER ROAD UH, ASSOCIATION. SO WE'VE MET WITH BARBARA, WE'VE MET WITH THE LOCAL ARCHITECT IN THE AREAS WHERE WE WENT TO HIS HOME AND WE KIND OF PUT THE PLANS OUT ON TABLE. WE KINDA REVIEWED THAT AND LOOKED AT IT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES FROM AN ARCHITECT THAT GAVE US A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK. SO, UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT BARBARA WAS IN, UH, MEETING WITH OTHER, UM, HOMEOWNERS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA AND SEEING IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS OR OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER NEIGHBORS. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, MR. UH, CHRIS WAS THE, THE ONLY ONE WHO REALLY HAD SOME MAIN CONCERNS. SO THANK YOU. YEAH, SURE. AND MR. CRYSTAL, I'M NOT SURE, ARE YOU CLOSER TO THE TREE THAT'S IN THE BACK, OR SAY THAT AGAIN? WHICH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ARE YOU ON? ARE YOU CLOSEST TO THE TREE? SOUTH SIDE. OKAY. PAGE 26, I THINK IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S THIS TREE. CAN YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THAT'S A LARGE OAK. IT'S ABOUT 80 FOOT TALL. THE LEAVES DON'T START TILL ABOUT, SIR, SIR, EXCUSE ME, SIR, COULD YOU COME SPEAK INTO THE MIC SO WE CAN GET IT ON RECORD? SO TO GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THAT TREE CANOPY IS A, ABOUT AN 80 FOOT TALL OAK TREE. IT'S A RED OAK LEAVES DON'T START TILL ABOUT 28, 35 FOOT. SO IT, IT IS ABSOLUTELY NO, UM, HORIZONTAL PRIVACY. UH, THE OTHER TREE CANOPIES THERE ARE NOT ON MY PROPERTY. THEY'RE ON THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED TO BUILD ANYTHING. SO ALL TREES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME DOWN. THEY'RE ALL CHINA BERRIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. NONE OF 'EM ARE REALLY LIKE SUPER VALUABLE TREES. BUT ALL THE TREE CANOPIES THAT ARE LISTED, THOSE ARE ALL GONE AS SOON AS ANY CONSTRUCTION STARTS. THE ONLY THING THAT STAYS IS THAT LARGE OAK THAT YOU SEE. UH, THAT'S MY HOUSE WITH THE GRAY TO THE RIGHT OF THE RED. UM, BUT THERE'S A, I'M LEFT. YEAH, THAT'S MY HOUSE. THAT LARGE OAK IS RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE IS JUST ABOVE THAT. SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S A 40 INCH WIDE TREE TO THE RIGHT AND THEN THAT BALCONY'S GONNA BE DEAD CENTER FROM MY BACK PORCH. AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT THE WHOLE THING. THAT AND THE OVERALL CONCRETE FOOTPRINT. PERFECT. THANK YOU MR. CERVANTES. YEAH, JUST, UH, FOR STAFF OR FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT, ARE BALCONIES COMMON IN THIS CLUSTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? NOT A REAR BALCONY LIKE THIS. THANK YOU. UM, LET'S SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE COME BACK. I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. TAFOYA OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS [01:15:02] FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. CAN YOU GO THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE AND TELL US WHICH ONES YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH? WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. YEAH. IF YOU CAN JUST PULL UP THE STIPULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO WE'VE GOT A ONE THROUGH EIGHT HERE, AND I THINK OTHER THAN ONE AND NUMBER SIX, THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. THE REST OF 'EM, THE STANDING SEA ROOF THAT WE'RE TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THE REST OF 'EM, BUT IT'S GONNA BE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER SIX. AND THAT'S WHAT I HIGHLIGHTED ON MY, UH, PRESENTATION, THOSE TWO ITEMS, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE OVERALL SCALE AND MASS AND THE SIDE SIDELOADED GARAGE. BUT I THINK OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT WITH THE REMAINDER OF IT. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. I WOULD BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION AFTER. YEAH. THE OTHER COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, AGAIN, I'M NEW TO THIS, BUT WAS THERE A PLAN SUBMITTED WITH THE DETACHED GARAGE AT ALL? IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE HOMES IN THE AREA ALL ARE DETACHED GARAGE HOMES. UM, HAVE YOU SUBMITTED ONE OF THOSE? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. OKAY. AND THERE WAS NOT ONE SUBMITTED BECAUSE THERE'S JUST WASN'T ANY CAPACITY TO DETACH IT. IF WE WERE TO DETACH IT. OKAY. WE WOULD HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE 18 INCHES BETWEEN THE SETBACK AND THE HOME AFTER OUR OVERHANG. SO WE COULDN'T EVEN SQUEEZE IN THERE TO PUT SIDING IF WE WERE TO DETACH THE GARAGE. BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER SIMINO JUST MENTIONED THAT THERE IS THE ROOM FOR A DETACHED GARAGE. HAVE YOU TRIED DRAFTING ONE YET? WE, WE HAVE, WE'VE DONE SEVERAL RENDERINGS ON OUR OWN, AND SO WE ONLY HAD 18 INCHES IN BETWEEN. YOU CAN, UH, PULL UP THE SITE PLAN AND ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE. SO THE OVERHANG, IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY, WHERE THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK IS, WE'VE GOT AN OVERHANG OF ONE FOOT FOUR, AND I'M USING THE ROOF AS MY ACTUAL AREA OF DIMENSION, RIGHT. THE ACTUAL ROOF LINE, NOT THE HOUSE LINE. SO WHEN I MOVE THAT ROOF OVER, OKAY, I HAVE TO PUT A ROOF OVER THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE GARAGE, WHICH IS GONNA BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND I HAVE TO DO, MAKE ANOTHER ROOF FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE, PUT THE ROOF OVERHANG BY THE TIME I DO THAT AND MOVE THE BUILDINGS. OKAY. I HAVE 18 INCHES, THAT MEANS I'VE GOT THIS MUCH ROOM TO PUT SIDING. I HAVE THIS MUCH ROOM, 18 INCHES TO PUT SIDING ON THE SOUTH GARAGE WALL AND 18 INCHES TO PUT SIDING ON THE NORTH HOME, UH, FACADE. SO 18 INCHES IS JUST NOT ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO GO IN THERE AND PUT SOME, PUT SIDING ON BOTH STRUCTURES. IT, IT JUST WOULDN'T MAKE IT ANY THAT MUCH ROOM. AND SECONDLY, THAT WOULD DRIVE THE COST OF MATERIALS AND TO ADD THAT. SO APPRECIATE THE THE QUESTION, BUT YES, WE'VE, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN SUBMITTED THOUGH, RIGHT? IT'S NEVER BEEN SUBMITTED. YES, WE'VE DESIGNED IT, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN SUBMITTED BECAUSE IT JUST WASN'T A SOLUTION TO US YEAH. TO MAKE IT FIT. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SURE. OKAY. THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROJECT FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH ALL STAFF'S STIPULATIONS IN PLACE AND WITH AN ADDED STIPULATION NUMBER NINE, THAT THE PROJECT, UH, FALL WITHIN THE SETBACKS, THE EXISTING SETBACKS TO BETTER CONFORM WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. DISCUSSION. UM, MR. CHAIR, THE REASON WHY I MADE THE MOTION THE WAY I DID IS BECAUSE I DO AGREE THAT THERE IS AMASSING ISSUE, HEIGHT MAY BE LESS SO THE MASSING IS WHAT BRINGS THE HEIGHT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND TO THE STREET, RIGHT? IF THE MASSING IS LESS, THE HEIGHT IS LESS OF AN IMPOSITION. SO I THINK THAT THE, THE MASSING, THE SCALE, UM, DOESN'T NEED TO BE ADDRESSED SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, TO THE ATTACHED GARAGE. I THINK YOU'VE TRIED, UH, THROUGH THE D R C AND THROUGH DESIGN, UM, PROCESS YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE MADE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO MOVE THAT GARAGE AROUND. I, I UNDERSTAND. UM, BUT IT CAN BE DETACHED. UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE, UM, YOU SUDDENLY HAVE A THREE FOOT SETBACK, NOT A FIVE FOOT SETBACK. YOU ALSO CAN GO FARTHER BACK INTO THE LOT. YOU [01:20:01] MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ENCROACH ON YOUR SEWER LINE AREA OR THAT, BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY SET IT BACK FURTHER. AND THE DESIGN POSSIBILITIES OF HAVING ADDITIONAL LIGHT ON ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING OF THE MAIN HOUSE COULD BE QUITE NICE. AND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING MORE CONFORMING TO THE URBAN PATTERN OF THAT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, SO FOR THAT REASON, I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, CONFORMING TO THE, UM, EXISTING SETBACKS IS A WISE THING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE HAVING SIGNIFICANT BACKYARD AREA FOR LARGE CANOPY TREES IS ESSENTIAL, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT'S THE, UH, APPROACH I TOOK WITH THIS. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ? WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. BY HAVING THE GARAGE AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, LIKE YOU'D, UM, SEEING A NEW DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF 1604, BECAUSE YOU'RE ON A BACK LOT FACING 2 81 DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN HIDE IT. UM, THE GARAGE SHOULD BE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND KEEPING WITH THE REST OF THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE BACK PORCH IN THAT THERE AREN'T ANY IN THAT CLUSTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT KIND OF PROVIDES A, I DON'T WANNA SAY AN INVASION OF PROPHECY, BUT IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PRIVACY. WHEN YOU START ADDING, UH, UH, SHADES OR COVERS OR BARRICADES OR WALLS OR SOMETHING TO IMPEDE THAT, I THINK IT KIND OF TAKES AWAY FROM THE OVERALL FIELD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. UM, I'M CONSIDERING MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO JUST, UH, APPROVE AS, AS, AS, AS MOTION, BUT TO REMOVE THE, THE BACK PORCH. SO THINKING ABOUT IT, THAT'S NOT AN AMENDMENT, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WELL IT MAY BE THAT IF THE STIPULATION OF DESIGNING WITHIN THE SETBACKS, UM, HOPEFULLY WOULD ADDRESS THE PROJECTION OF THE BACK PORCH AND BALCONY. SO, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SINO AYE. REGARD? AYE. MAZUA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND ZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND FEEL FREE TO REQUEST A D R C AS YOU DEVELOP THIS. IF YOU'VE, UH, STILL GOT SOME, UH, BIGGER CONCERNS AS YOU, UH, FOLLOW THE STIPULATE. I THINK THAT'D BE THE NEXT STEP FOR US IS TO REDESIGN WITH THE DETACHED BACK, PUSHED BACK, COME BACK TO D R C FIRST. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. AND THEN COME BACK H D R C. ALRIGHT. IF, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR BEFORE THAT, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT YOUR FINAL DESIGN ALSO HAS TO, HAS TO MITIGATE YOUR NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN ABOUT VISION. AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN, THEN, THEN IT MIGHT HAVE TO GET LOOKED AT AGAIN. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. VISION AND WATER. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6 8 20 NORTH ALAMO, ITEM SIX ON THE H D R C AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 6 3 8 20 NORTH ALAMO STREET. APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INCLUDE REMOVAL OF THE REAR HISTORIC TWO-STORY MASS WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THE APPROVED THREE-STORY EDITION. RETENTION OF THE TWO-STORY MASS WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSENTED TO AN ERROR. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE REAR TWO-STORY MASS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE REAR TWO-STORY MASS BE RETAINED PER THE PREVIOUS H D R C APPROVAL. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LETTERS OR VOICEMAIL ON FILE, UH, IN THE FOLDERS FOR THIS. AND THEN WE HAVE KENT BRITTON AND PATRICK CHRISTENSEN HERE IN PERSON TO PRESENT. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY, SUITE 2,700. AND AND I'M HERE WITH KEN BRITTON, THE ARCHITECT. UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR SOMETHING YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD US A COUPLE OF TIMES. I'M GONNA HAVE TO START FROM THE BEGINNING. SO WE HAVE SOME H D R C COMMISSIONERS WHO'VE NOT BEEN HERE FOR THE WHOLE SAGA. UM, SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS OUR CLIENT, UH, BOUGHT THIS STRUCTURE NOT REALIZING IT WAS DESIGNATED HISTORIC. THEY STARTED WORKING ON DESIGNS AND EVERYTHING. AND THEN WE REALIZED, OKAY, IT IS HISTORIC SO WE HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE H D R C. SO WE CAME TO AN INITIAL HEARING WHERE WE SUBMITTED OUR RESTORATION PLANS. LET ME JUST ADD THAT A PREVIOUS OWNER HAD PRETTY MUCH ALMOST DEMOLISHED THE BUILDING. THEY'D GUTTED IT, THEY'D TAKEN OFF THE SIDING, THEY TOOK OUT ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE. THEY'RE GONE. SO, UM, THE OWNER IS HAVING TO DO A [01:25:01] SIGNIFICANT AND COSTLY RESTORATION OF THIS BUILDING. SO WE SUBMITTED A DESIGN FOR THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND WE SUBMITTED A DESIGN FOR A BACK PATIO ADDITION. SO WHAT THE DEVELOPER OR THE OWNER IS TRYING TO DO IS BUILD A BAR, BUT HE WANTS THE FRONT HISTORICAL STRUCTURE TO LOOK LIKE, IF YOU REMEMBER THE OLD LIBERTY BAR ON JOSEPHINE STREET, HE STILL HAS THE HARDWOOD FLOORS, UM, AND HE CAN MAKE THE INSIDE KIND OF LOOK LIKE THAT, BUT HE DOES WANT THE EXTRA PATIO SPACE. SO HE CAME BEFORE YOU AND AGREED TO ALL THE STAFF STIPULATIONS ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. BUT WE DID NOT INCLUDE ANY DESIGNS FOR THAT STUB OUT THAT'S AT ISSUE TODAY IN THE BACK. SO WE THOUGHT WE GOT APPROVAL TO GET RID OF THAT STUB OUT. THEN WE CAME BACK TO YOU 'CAUSE THERE WERE SOME REQUESTED CHANGES TO THE PATIOS. AND UM, WE AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS ON THAT AND GOT APPROVAL FOR THAT. SO WE'RE, SO WE'VE DESIGNED THIS PATIO THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS STUB OUT. SO WE'RE ASKING TODAY, THAT'S THE STEP OUT RIGHT THERE IS TO DEMOLISH THE STEP OUT. UM, IT'S ONLY A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 9% OF THE STRUCTURE. IT DOES NOT REALLY PROVIDE ANYTHING FOR ANYONE. AND THE REALITY IS, ONCE YOU HAVE A TWO STORY PATIO AND THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, NO ONE'S EVER GOING TO SEE THIS STUB OUT. AND I, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD AT THIS POINT, KENT? I MEAN, AS FAR AS I'LL, I'LL RESPOND TO THEIR OKAY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS WE'VE, WE'RE ALMOST AT 80% DRAWINGS ON THIS. SO WE'RE, THE DEVELOPER HAS SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON DESIGNS AND DRAWINGS AND WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT 9% OF THE BUILDING. HE'S, HE'S, HE'S DOING A LOT, HE'S SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS STRUCTURE. WE WOULD JUST REALLY ASK FOR YOUR HELP AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR GIBBS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO STAFF IS SAYING THAT THEY'RE, THEY DON'T RECOMMEND REMOVING THEIR ENRICHER STORY MASS. YOU MENTIONED BECAUSE OF THE PATIO, UM, THAT YOU INPUT THERE THAT, UM, IT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORD, MESSES WITH YOUR, YOUR VIEW OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. SO HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T MAKE IT WORK WITH THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, UM, SINCE IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED WITH THE, WITH THE RARE THERE. WELL, WHAT I SAID IS THAT NO ONE'S EVER GONNA SEE IT OR KNOW THAT IT'S THERE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT OUR DESIGNS, ALRIGHT. UH, WE DID INCLUDE THE PHOTOS FROM THE STREET AND, AND FROM AN ANGLE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE LESS THAN A FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM ONE BUILDING ON THE NORTH END. YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. THAT'S THE SIDE THAT THE ADDITION'S ON. AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THERE'S A PARKING LOT. SO IT WAS ABOUT 30 FOOT DISTANCE BETWEEN OUR BUILDING AND THE NEXT, YOU STILL CAN'T SEE THE ADDITION. UH, AND SO ALSO TO NOTE THERE IS A, UH, THIS PIECE OF ADDITION ALSO HAS A BASEMENT IN IT THAT HAS FLOODED, UH, NUMEROUS TIMES. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME INSTABILITY IN THERE. SO WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THAT COMMENT ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO DO, IT'S NOT THAT WE COULDN'T, IT IS IF THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT REDESIGN OF THE, OF THE, OF THE EXISTING OF THE NEW ADDITION, THAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY, IT'LL BE A TWO PART KIND OF A, A COMPOUNDED, UH, EXPANSION JOINT TO MAKE THIS WORK. SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANSION JOINTS, YOU USUALLY DON'T SEE LIKE A, A Z SHAPE EXPANSION JOINT. 'CAUSE THEN YOU'RE GETTING TWO LATERAL LOADS GOING IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. SO THIS IS WHERE THE, THE NEW STRUCTURE IS GONNA BE VERY, UH, VERY DIFFICULT FOR REDESIGN AND A VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE, UH, TO, TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, GOING AROUND THAT, THAT STRUCTURE THAT ACTUALLY DOES HAVE SOME, SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES. IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT LEVEL WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. UM, SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SHIFTING ON THAT PIECE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YOUR PHOTOS WENT TOO. I THOUGHT WE HAD SOME, BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. WE HAD A SIDE D R C THERE TO SEE THE STRUCTURE IN THE BASEMENT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS MOST OF THE, IS MOST OF THE FLOODING, IF NOT ALL THE FLOODING IS COMING FROM A, AN EXTERIOR STAIRWELL THAT GOES DOWN TO THE DOOR ON THE, THE EAST SIDE INTO THE BASEMENT. UM, SO, UM, AND LOOKING, I'M TRYING TO CRAFT A QUESTION HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE ON SHEET 17, WHICH IS YOUR, UH, FIRST FLOOR PLAN THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DRILL PIERS FOR YOUR NEW, FOR YOUR NEW STEEL STRUCTURE. AND CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THOSE WILL OR WILL NOT BE GOING THROUGH THE EXISTING BASEMENT BRICK WALLS? SO WE WE'RE PROPOSING TO ACTUALLY DEMOLISH THAT, THAT BASEMENT AND PUT IN NEW SELECT FILL AND, AND, AND THEN DRILL THE PIERS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, THE RECTANGULAR VOLUME OF THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP. SO Y'ALL WOULD, UH, BASICALLY [01:30:01] DISMANTLE THE BRICK WALLS ALL THE WAY, THE HEIGHT OF THE BASEMENT? UH, WELL, WE WOULD DEMO THE ENTIRE BASEMENT, YEP. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS BASEMENT IS JUST UNDER THIS STEP OUT. IT'S NOT UNDER THE REST OF THE BUILDING, CORRECT? YES. IT'S JUST UNDER THIS, UM, LITTLE L-SHAPED PORTION. YEAH. IT'S, UH, 13 FEET BY 15 FEET. RIGHT. AND JESSICA, UM, WHAT DO THE, THE SANBORN MAPS SHOW IN TERMS OF THIS PORTION OF THAT STRUCTURE? IT APPEARS ON THE FIRST INSTANCE OF, UM, THE BUILDING ON THE SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAPS AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT DATES FROM WHEN? LEMME CHECK REAL QUICK. IN MY WRECK 12. YEAH. PROPERTY FIRST APPEARS ON THE SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAPS IN 1912, IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS IT APPEARS TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, QUESTION FOR STAFF. THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK? THAT'S CORRECT. WHEN WAS IT LANDMARKED? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THANK YOU. BUT IT IS AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THIS REQUEST IS JUST FOR AMENDING THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF YOUR DESIGN. YOU'RE STILL DEVELOPING THE DESIGN AND YOU'LL COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL? YES, SIR. OKAY. N NO, THE REQUEST IS FINAL APPROVAL. IT, IT RECEIVED A, A CERTIFICATE OF OR A COMMISSION ACTION LETTER, BUT THE LAST REQUEST WAS ALSO FOR FINAL APPROVAL AS WELL. OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT I READ IN THE FINDINGS. IT WAS CONCEPTUAL. IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA LAST TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YES. I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, CRAFT A MOTION FOR THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED C O A, SO BASICALLY DENIAL OF THE YES. REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION, BUT YES, SECOND, SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION. YEAH. THE REASON WHY I, I THINK THE ORIGINAL C O A WAS ISSUED CORRECTLY IS BECAUSE, UM, WELL, IT DOCUMENTED EVERYTHING THAT WAS THERE ACCURATELY. UM, AND OUR SITE VISIT WAS REALLY HELPFUL. UM, SEEING THE INSIDE, SEEING THE INSIDE OF THE BASEMENT, THE CONDITION OF THE WALLS, THE, LET'S SEE, THE FOUNDATION WALLS IN THE BASEMENT IN THAT VERY, VERY SMALL BASEMENT, THEY SEEMED TO BE VERY IN. THEY WERE INTACT. ALL THE MORTAR, THE, UM, MASONRY ELEMENTS WERE INTACT. YES, THERE'S SOME, SOME FLOODING COMING IN THROUGH THE STAIRS AND THROUGH CERTAIN PLACES. UM, AND THERE WE DO SEE, UH, A COUPLE OF ROTTED SILLS ON JUST ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT'S EASILY REPLACEABLE. UM, AND SO WHILE THERE IS AN EXPENSE TO TO REHAB IT AND TO REPAIR IT, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN THAT EXPENSE IN PLACE TO REBUILD SOMETHING IN THAT LOCATION ALSO. UM, AND I, AND FROM THE, THE PRESERVATION ASPECT TO REMOVE AN ORIGINAL PART OF THE BUILDING THAT WAS CLEARLY ORIGINAL AND FUNCTIONING PREVIOUSLY WITH, UM, WITHOUT FULL DAMAGE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A FIRE OR SOMETHING. UH, I THINK, UH, THE DUTY IS TO KEEP IT, IS TO MAINTAIN IT. UM, ON THE INSIDE THERE'S SOME WALLS THAT DON'T QUITE COINCIDE WITH THE EDGE OF THE, THE LARGER VOLUME. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME OVERLAP. SO THAT PART OF THE BUILDING CLEARLY HAS BEEN THERE AND HAS BEEN UTILIZED AS PART OF THE INTERIOR SPACE. UM, NOBODY WILL SEE IT. YOU COULD SHOW IT OFF. THERE ARE VARIOUS OPTIONS. SO FOR THAT REASON, I FEEL LIKE THE FIRST C O A WAS ISSUED CORRECTLY. YES, COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, THIS IS NOT A BUILDING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT RATHER A LANDMARK BUILDING DESIGNATED SO ON ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL MERIT, UM, OF THE BUILDING, SORRY, THE REMOVAL OF THE WHOLE PORTION OF THE BACK PART OF THE BUILDING SEEKS TO CHANGE ITS CHARACTER. AND THE REMOVAL OF THE REAR, UM, TWO STORY IS LIKE A BAD AMPUTATION. UM, THEREFORE, I, [01:35:01] I WILL AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE, UH, REMOVAL OF THE TWO STORY AND UPHOLD THE H DRCS PREVIOUS APPROVAL. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER MAZUA? YEP. I'M, I'M DEFINITELY NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD ALL OF THAT BACK STRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA BE DIRECTLY ABOVE WHERE THE FLOODING WAS HAPPENING DOWN THOSE STAIRS, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ESSENTIALLY TAKEN CARE OF THE FLOODING ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY WATER COMING IN FROM THAT, FROM THAT AREA. UM, AND IF THE INTENT IS TO KEEP IT LIKE THE OLD LIBERTY BAR, UM, LEAVING THOSE STRUCTURES AND HAVING THEM VISIBLE TO YOUR, TO THE CLIENTELE, UM, SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD ADD CHARM TO THE BUILDING, IN MY OPINION, YES. AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS WELL. I THINK THAT, UH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO THAT THE SIDE VISIT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE IN, IN, UH, OBSERVING THE CONDITION OF THE BASEMENT AND, UH, THE POTENTIAL ASSET TO THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, IT'S A BAR COULD BE A WINE CELLAR. UM, IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME REDESIGN, UH, BOTH ON ARCHITECTURAL AND STRUCTURAL. BUT I THINK, UM, THE FACT THAT IT WAS SHOWN IN THE, THE EARLIEST SANBORN MAPS THAT IT'S ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING AND, AND IT'S THE BASEMENT, UM, MASONRY WORK, UH, WAS NOT, UH, VERY WELL, VERY BADLY DETERIORATED. I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT. UM, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. ARD? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GIDA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 7 14 0 7 FULTON AVENUE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 20 23 360 4. ADDRESS, 1407 FULTON AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH CROFT ALUMINUM. WINDOWS. TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING GARAGE DOORS LEAVING OPEN BAYS. AND THREE, REPLACE THE EXTERIOR WOODEN DOORS WITH AN ALUMINUM DOOR PRODUCT. ITEM ONE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH CROFT ALUMINUM WINDOWS BASED ON BINDING. B. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARDS WITH WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMIT UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS FOR STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL. DO YOU WANT ME TO READ ALL THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS? . OKAY. GREAT. ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING GARAGE DOORS. LEAVING OPEN BASE BASED ON FINDING. C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOORS OR GARAGE DOORS WITH A DESIGN THAT MIMICS WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND BEERS SMOOTH FINISH WITHOUT FLOW. WOOD GREEN TEXTURE. FINAL GARAGE DOOR SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. IN ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXTERIOR WOOD AND WINDOWS WITH THE ALUMINUM DOOR PRODUCT BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PREEXISTING DOORS BE REINSTALLED UPON COMPLETION OF THE DOOR REPAIR. THE APPLICANT, UM, BLANCA THA AND HER SON JONATHAN THAS, ARE HERE IN PERSON. CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, SO AGAIN, MY NAME IS JONATHAN TODAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY MOTHER. SHE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY ENGLISH A LITTLE BROKEN, AND SO SHE CAN'T REALLY CONVEY HER MESSAGE. UM, SO THE PROPERTY HERE AT 1407 FULTON, UM, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD WERE SPECIFICALLY TO RESTORE, UH, SEVERAL OF THE WINDOWS HERE. UH, MY MOTHER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY ON MAY 26TH. AND SO WITHIN A WEEK OF HER PURCHASING THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE WAS BROKEN INTO AND VANDALIZED, UH, PRETTY BADLY. I MEAN, SO IN HER, IN HER FEAR, BASICALLY. UH, SO SHE DID REPLACE THE SIDE WINDOWS WITH, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS. [01:40:01] SO THIS BASICALLY WAS DRIVEN BY THE FACT TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN BASICALLY ABANDONED FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS, BUT THAT'S, FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PURCHASED PREVIOUSLY. SOMEBODY BOUGHT IT TO FLIP IT, TO MAKE SOME MONEY OFF OF IT OR WHATNOT. BUT THIS WASN'T, UM, THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE WAS, WAS PRETTY POOR. SO BASICALLY THREE YEARS, UH, UN UNLIVED, NOBODY WAS IN IT. AND SO MY MOTHER DID PURCHASE THE HOUSE WITH THE INTENT TO LIVE BASICALLY ABOUT A MILE FROM ME. I LIVE IN ALTA VISTA AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CON CONSERVATION DISTRICT. SO I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE HISTORICAL ELEMENTS. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I MOVED INTO A HISTORICAL HOUSE MYSELF. AND SO WE'RE NOT ASKING TO REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS. SHE ONLY WANTS TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL. SHE ONLY WANTS THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE SIDE PROFILE THAT WILL BE COVERED BY FENCING. UM, THE FRONT WINDOWS ARE STILL REPAIRABLE. THESE WEREN'T DAMAGED BY VANDALS, THEY WEREN'T TORN DOWN. IF YOU GO INSIDE THE PROPERTY, ONCE WE WENT INSIDE THERE, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DAMAGED INTERIOR, AS YOU CAN SEE. UM, AND THERE'S BEEN MORE DAMAGE TO THE HOUSE SINCE MY MOTHER'S PURCHASED IT AGAIN, THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN, THERE'S, IT'S ENTIRELY OPEN. IT'S BEEN DERELICT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, ABANDONED FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS. AND SO SHE HAS HER WORK CUT OUT FOR HER. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO WE HAVE EVERY INTENT TO TRY TO, TO, TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE, THE HISTORIC ELEMENT. BUT THERE'S BASICALLY EVERY WINDOW THAT'S BEEN REPLACED, THERE WERE NO WINDOWS. I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH, THAT THERE WERE NO WINDOWS TO REPAIR. EVERYTHING WAS RIPPED OUT, REMOVED, DAMAGED, OR BURNT. EVEN NOW, TOWARDS THE ENTRYWAY TO THE RIGHT, THERE'S FIRE DAMAGE AND THERE'S A LOT OF WATER DAMAGE THERE. AND SO, BUT SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS ARE STILL REPAIRABLE. AND SO WE HAVE EVERY INTENT TO FIX THOSE WINDOWS. SHE'S ONLY ASKING FOR THE WINDOWS THAT SHE HAS REPLACED BECAUSE THERE WERE NO WINDOWS THERE TO REPAIR. SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES SHE'S ASKING TO KEEP. NOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. THERE ARE STILL OTHER PROPERTIES ON FULTON AVENUE. THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT DO HAVE NEWER, UH, WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR. UH, PROPERTY 14, UH, 33, EXCUSE ME, 1323 FULTON AVENUE. UH, IF YOU GO AND DO A SIMPLE, WE TOOK PICTURES THIS MORNING JUST IN CASE YOU GUYS WANTED TO SEE IT. ALL THE WINDOWS THERE WERE REPLACED WITH BLACK ALUMINUM WINDOWS. THEY'RE NOT HISTORIC WINDOWS. THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET OF THE HOUSE ITSELF, IT'S A DUPLEX, SAME SITUATION, ALSO REPLACED WITH, UH, NEWER ALUMINUM WINDOWS. AND SO WE'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING, WE'RE JUST ASKING TO KEEP THE, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE WINDOWS THAT SHE DID PUT IN TO SECURE THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN ABANDONED DERELICT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND EVEN AS RECENTLY AS TWO WEEKS AGO, PEOPLE GOT INSIDE THE HOUSE AND WE FOUND, UH, I MEAN, DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, FECES A FEW TIMES. UH, UH, THEY EVEN TRIED RIPPING OUT THE, UH, BATHTUB. IT'S AN IRON BATHTUB, RIGHT? AND SO SHE, SHE DID START WORKING ON THE HOUSE TO TRY TO, TO BASICALLY TO SECURE IT. SO THAT'S FOR THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES. NOW, THE GARAGE DOORS, SHE DID REMOVE THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE PROPERTY. EVERY OTHER HOUSE ON FULTON AVENUE, IF YOU SEE NONE OF THEM HAVE, UH, HAVE GARAGES. THEY HAVE CARRIAGE HOUSES. AND SO, UH, GARAGES WITH GARAGE DOORS IS NOT OUR, IS NOT PART OF THE HISTORICAL ELEMENT. IF YOU LOOK TO THE SECOND GARAGE, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THAT WAS AN ADDITION, THAT THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS NOT A GARAGE THAT WAS INSTALLED PREVIOUSLY BY THE OWNERS, BY THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BAD WORK DONE ON THIS PROPERTY. UM, BY PRE, I MEAN, THAT'S O S B, THAT'S NOT, UH, OAK PLANKS OR, UH, OLD GROWTH RED CEDAR, UH, ROAD RED PINE THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE THIRTIES OR FORTIES, RIGHT? AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE TO THIS HOUSE AFTER THE FACT THAT WAS NOT HISTORICAL IN NATURE. UM, THE SIDE THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, ALSO HAD, UM, HAD A, AN EDITION SUNROOM. AND IF YOU GO GOOGLE IMAGES, THEY USED A BIG PLASTIC TARP AS A ROOF. AND THIS, THAT WAS THE PROP THAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THE HOME FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS BEFORE MY MOTHER BOUGHT THE HOUSE. SO YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2011, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT BIG PLASTIC TARP WAS STILL THERE. AND SO BASICALLY THIS ALUMINUM DOOR THAT WAS BACK HERE, THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT BREAK-IN THAT WAS DONE BY, BY VANDALS, RIGHT? UH, SHE ACTUALLY TEXTED ME A WEEK AFTER SHE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, CAN YOU PLEASE GO AND BOARD UP THE HOUSE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN BECAUSE THEY BROKE INTO THE HOUSE AGAIN. SO BASICALLY SHE'S ASKING, THE FRONT WINDOWS WILL BE RESTORED TO, IT'S, UH, I'M A BIT OF AN AM AMATEUR CARPENTER MYSELF, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. I CAN BUILD IN PRETTY NICE STUFF. UH, THOSE WILL BE RESTORED. THOSE ARE REPAIRABLE. I'VE ALREADY DONE 'EM ON MY HOUSE. I CAN DO THAT. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. SHE'S ASKING JUST FOR THE VARIANCE ON THE SIDE WINDOW THAT SHE DID REPLACE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE, THERE WERE NO WINDOWS, THERE'S, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE TO REPAIR. THERE'S NOTHING THERE TO FIX. AND SO SHE'S ASKING TO KEEP THAT, UM, THIS ISN'T A FIX OR FLIP TYPE PROPERTY. MY MOTHER IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPER, SHOULD THIS, SHE'S WANTING TO LIVE IN THIS PROPERTY. I LIVE A MILE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. MY WIFE AND I ARE EXPECTING A KID. SHE WANTS TO BE CLOSE TO HER GRANDKIDS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE. AND SO THE GARAGE DOORS, AGAIN, NOT ORIGINAL ELEMENTS TO THE HOUSE. THOSE WERE ADDED SOMETIME EIGHTIES, SEVENTIES, NOT IN [01:45:01] THE THIRTIES WHEN THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT, BECAUSE EVERY OTHER HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE A GARAGE. UH, SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, THAT'S AN ADDITION THAT WAS ADDED TO THE HOUSE IN THE BACK, NOT, NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOME. AS YOU CAN, BASICALLY, YOU CAN WALK THROUGH THE ENTIRE HOUSE AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS ORIGINAL AND WHAT WAS NOT. SO WE ARE ASKING TO KEEP THE WINDOWS THAT SHE DID INSTALL, UH, TO KEEP THE DOOR. AND WE ARE NOT INTENDING TO PUT IN GARAGE, UH, GARAGE DOORS ON THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE ATTACHMENT BECAUSE THE HOUSE DID NOT HAVE GARAGES WHEN IT, WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT BACK IN THE FORTIES, UH, THIRTIES OR FORTIES. UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS. THOSE WILL BE RESTORED. THESE WERE THE, THE, THE FRONT FACING WINDOWS FACING THE CITY, OR THE ONLY WINDOWS THAT WERE IN ANY KIND OF CONDITION TO REPAIR, BECAUSE I SUSPECT THEY, PEOPLE CAN SEE 'EM, RIGHT? THIEVES AREN'T, AREN'T, UH, THEY'RE NOT DUMB. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO SOMETHING IN, IN BRAZEN, GENERALLY. THEY WOULDN'T AND, UH, BE SO BRAZEN TO, TO BREAK THE LAW IN FRONT OF EVERY, IN FULL VIEW. SO A LOT OF THE WORK, THIS HOUSE, IS IT BAD CONDITION. SO OUR INTENT IS TO TRY TO RESTORE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO, UH, TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION. THAT'S THAT, THAT IS MY MOTHER'S INTENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ONE QUESTION. UH, CLAUDIA, WOULD YOU PUT UP DRAWING 53, WHICH IS THE FLOOR PLAN WITH THE WINDOWS NUMBERED? I'D LIKE TO, UH, MR. TES TO IDENTIFY WHICH WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED. SO THE WINDOWS THAT WERE BEEN REPLACED ARE 6, 7, 5 4, AND I BELIEVE 17, 18. OKAY. ALL. AND THEN THERE IS ALSO, UH, THERE, EXCUSE ME, WINDOW SEVEN AND THEN DOOR SIX. THAT WAS ANOTHER WINDOW THAT MY, UH, THAT'S A DOOR, ACTUALLY, EXCUSE ME. THAT WAS A DOOR THAT MY MOTHER PUT IN AGAIN, WHEN SHE PURCHASED THE HOME, THERE WAS NO DOOR, THERE'S NO WOOD DOOR ARCHITECTURALLY NOTHING. THERE WAS NO FRAME. SO I SUSPECT THAT SOMEBODY WAS TRYING, BECAUSE INITIALLY THERE WAS A BIG, UH, SUNROOM THAT WAS ADDED MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE SEVENTIES OR EIGHTIES, UH, TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND SO ON THE ORIGINAL LISTING, IT WAS LISTED AS A THREE, TWO BATHROOM, UH, THREE, TWO HOME. WELL, THERE WAS NO SECOND BATHROOM. IT WAS ACTUALLY A BATHROOM PUT ON THE SUNROOM OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY. RIGHT? SO A LOT OF WORK WAS DONE TO THIS HOUSE THAT WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER. OUR INTENTION IS, AGAIN, TO RESTORE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT I MEAN, UM, OBVIOUSLY WITHIN REASON, RIGHT? IT'S, YEAH, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO TO TO BE CLEAR ON THIS PLAN, UM, THE OTHER WINDOWS, OTHER THAN, WELL THE DOOR IS 6, 7, 5 4, 17, AND 18, ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS EXIST IN THEIR WOOD, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND THOSE YOU INTEND TO, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THOSE. WE'RE GONNA RESTORE 'EM. THEY'RE FIXABLE. UM, I'VE HAD TO DO ALL OF MINE IN MY HOUSE, SO I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. UM, CAN YOU, FOR THE RECORD, JUST ELABORATE WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE FOR WHEN THERE ARE NO WINDOWS TO REPLACE IN THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT HAS RIGHT HERE? SO IF THERE'S NO WINDOWS, THEN WE JUST, WE GO BY WHAT'S THERE, WHAT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN THERE. SO WE'LL JUST REVIEW THE PROPERTY, WE'LL LOOK AT IT. UM, YOU CAN GO ON GOOGLE IMAGES AND SEE IF THERE WERE WOOD WINDOWS THERE BEFORE. SO GENERALLY WHAT WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR IS THE SAME LIKE PRODUCT. UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT THE LIKED PRODUCT. SO YOU ALL DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD SOME RAZZLE-DAZZLE TO IT. BUT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF AUTHORITY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SAVINO. UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. TA MM-HMM. , UM, BECAUSE OF THE HIGH LEVEL OF VISIBILITY OF 16, 17, 18, 19, AND 20, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO MAKING THOSE WOOD WINDOWS? I THINK THE COST WOULD BE KIND OF PROHIBITIVE TOWARDS MY, FOR MY MOTHER. AND THAT'S, AGAIN, SHE'S A RETIRED SCHOOL TEACHER. SHE'S NOT A, SHE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF CASH ON HAND, SO THAT WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT. 'CAUSE SHE ALREADY DID BUY THE WINDOWS. THEY'RE ALREADY INSTALLED, SO WE WOULDN'T NEED TO GET THOSE REDONE. UM, BUT WE ARE, THAT PORTION RIGHT? THERE IS, YOU ARE CORRECT THAT IT'S SOMEWHAT VISIBLE BECAUSE THERE IS, IT'S OFF OF NEAR, UM, NEAR IS THE CROSS STREET. UM, THERE'S, THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF CANOPY COVER THERE FROM TREES. AND WE ARE PLANNING TO PUT 'EM NEW FENCING AND SO IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE. UH, LET'S SEE, LET ME MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY. UM, IT IS FACING EAST. THAT'S THE EAST SIDE, CORRECT? YES. CORRECT. AND YOUR NEIGHBOR DOES NOT HAVE A BIG TREE? I'M LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE EARTH AND IT IS JUST OPEN, VERY OPEN. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M, I'M BRINGING THAT UP. I GOTCHA. UM, WE DO PLAN ON BASICALLY, UH, PUTTING UP FENCING THERE. SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA TAKE, UH, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE HIGHLY VISIBLE IF THAT'S THE CONCERN. THERE'S A FENCE THERE ALREADY. THERE'S, WELL, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY BADLY MAINTAINED FENCE. ALL OF THAT'S GONNA COME DOWN AND WE'RE GONNA PUT A GOOD, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE RESTORED. UM, IS IT, I'M LOOKING AT A SIX FOOT FENCE IN PLACE AND IT'S, YEAH, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, FIXED UP A LITTLE BIT OR REPLACED, BUT IT'S STILL SIX FEET [01:50:01] AND THE WINDOWS. OH, I'M SORRY. ARE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IT IS THE EAST, UH, EAST SI EAST SIDE? UH, NO, MAYBE NOT. MAYBE IT'S THE WEST. YEAH, THIS IS THE WEST SIDE FACING. SO THERE'S ANO ANOTHER PROPERTY DIRECTLY OVER TO THE RIGHT OF IT. YEAH. CAN WE LOOK AT A, A GOOGLE VIEW, STREET VIEW THAT MAY GIVE US A MORE ACCURATE VIEW FROM THE STREET? AND IT, LET'S SEE. OH YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY A WEST FACE. SORRY. NO WORRIES. IS, UH, I'M SORRY. OH, I JUST, UH, WANTED A GOOGLE VIEW SO WE COULD SEE IT FROM THE STREET AND GET A, UH, ACCURATE VIEW. AND IT'S JUST, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE THOSE ARE SO VISIBLE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, REAR PORTION RIGHT OVER THERE? UH, NO TO THE LEFT. SO ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY? YES. THAT WOULD BE THE WEST END. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. YEP. SEE, YEAH, THOSE WOULD BE THE WEST. YES. AND WHICH OF THESE HAVE BEEN REPLACED? UH, THOSE TWO HAVE BEEN REPLACED. NOW THE THIRD WINDOW ON THE RIGHT AND THE ONE OUTSIDE OF IT, THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN, NO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I, I'M WONDERING, JUST BECAUSE I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE SITUATION, IS THERE SOME SORT OF CLAD YOU CAN PUT ON THERE TO JUST MAKE IT WELL, THERE'S NOT STAND OUT AS BASICALLY THE WOODEN WINDOW. WELL, BASICALLY, I IMAGINE WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING WHAT WE DID WITH MY HOUSE, RIGHT? WE HAVE MY HOUSE A SIMILAR SITUATION. THE SEVERAL OF THE WINDOWS AIR WEREN'T PRETTY POOR CONDITION, AND SOME STORM WINDOWS WERE ADDED BEFORE I PURCHASED THE HOUSE. AND SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DO, YOU CAN DO WOOD FRAMING TO GO AROUND IT, TO KIND OF, TO BASICALLY MAKE IT LOOK MORE, MORE, UM, MORE, MORE TO PERIOD. IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. SO KIND OF LIKE A SCREEN SHUTTER THAT'S DIFFERENT COLORED. UM, THERE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ACTUALLY SEE ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROPERTIES WHERE IT'S THE, THE, THE ACCENT PIECE WHERE IT'S THE ACTUAL SCREEN ITSELF. SO YOU HAD YOUR OLD GLASS WINDOW AND THEN YOU HAD AN EXTERIOR SCREEN ON TOP OF THAT. WE CAN PROBABLY PUT SOMETHING ON TOP OF THAT OVER IT TO MAKE IT MORE PERIOD, UH, CORRECT IF YOU WANT TO, FOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. AND THEN ALSO, UH, IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE OF THE, OF THE WINDOW THEMSELVES, THEY LOOK, THEY DON'T LOOK ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY COMPARABLE TO ORIGINAL HISTORIC WINDOWS. IT'S JUST, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE WHITE. UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EASILY BE AMENDED EITHER WITH PAINT OR WE CAN PUT, AGAIN, AN EXTERIOR SCREEN TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE AN OLDER WINDOW. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT CAN BE DONE. YES. COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, WERE YOU NOT AWARE THAT IT WAS A HISTORIC PROPERTY? UH, MY MOTHER WAS AWARE, YES, SHE WAS AWARE. AND THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THERE. I THINK REALLY THE, THE ISSUE WAS IT'S WITHIN A WEEK OF HER BUYING THE HOUSE, UH, VANDALS GOT IN AGAIN AND BASICALLY, UH, WRECKED HAVOC INSIDE THE PROPERTY. AND SO SHE GOT A, SHE DID JUMP THE GUN A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT, THAT IS TRUE. UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT WAS, UH, SHE WAS TRYING TO SECURE THE BUILDING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND SO SHE PUT THE WINDOWS UP. AND THEN HELP ME CLARIFY. SO THE GARAGE DOORS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REPLACE OR YOU DON'T WANT TO? WELL, OUR INTENT IS NOT TO REPLACE, UH, PUT GARAGE DOORS THERE. AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THE BUILDING ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE GARAGES. UH, OLDER BUILDINGS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T HAVE ATTACHED GARAGES. YOU JUST DRIVE UP AND DOWN FULTON AND YOU SEE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES WITH CARRIAGE HOUSES, BASICALLY ATTACHMENTS TO THE HOUSE ITSELF THAT DO NOT HAVE GARAGE DOORS. THERE'S SEVERAL OF THOSE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S SEVERAL OF 'EM THAT DID ADD BASICALLY, UM, DOUBLE, DOUBLE GATES RIGHT? TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A GARAGE, BUT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY AN OPEN PATIO. SO OUR INTENT ISN'T TO PUT UP A GARAGE DOOR THERE. UM, THAT, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT BECAUSE THAT'S, IT WOULDN'T BE PERIOD. CORRECT. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS TELL US WE HAVE TO PUT UP GARAGE DOORS AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE GONNA ABIDE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. I GREW UP, UH, ABOUT A MILE FROM THERE IN MONTICELLO PARK AND, UH, DROVE THAT WAY EVERY DAY ON FULTON FOR FOUR YEARS FOR HIGH SCHOOL. AND I REMEMBER PLENTY OF GARAGE DOORS. SO, NO, I, I GET YOU MR. CHAIR. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, SO, SO MY, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAD PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSED WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS ON THE WEST SIDE, AND ALSO, UM, ABOUT YOUR MOM NOT KNOWING IF IT WAS HISTORIC HOUSE, UM, THAT SHE DID, UM, BEFORE SHE, WHEN SHE PURCHASED IT. BUT MY CONCERN IS REALLY THAT JUMPING A GUN ON PUTTING THOSE WINDOWS IN, BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT THAT KNEE JERK REACTION, I THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH WE CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE PRESENTED SOME OPTIONS THAT CAN HELP. I, I, I JUST THINK THAT IF, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN PUT THOSE BAT, I MEAN, CAN WE SALVAGE, UM, WHEN IT'S GONNA SALVAGE YARD, CAN WE PUT THOSE DOWN? I MEAN, BECAUSE WITH THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THEY DID, THEY JUST DON'T FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME. WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS [01:55:01] A, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO AND PURCHASE AFTERMARKET, UH, WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN PICKED UP FROM DIFFERENT FACILITIES, UM, OLD HISTORICAL WINDOWS. IT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION, RIGHT? UM, BUT BASICALLY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME KIND OF VARIANCE THAT'S BEEN GRANTED, READY TO SEVERAL OTHER HOUSES ON THE STREET. SHE'S, SHE ALREADY DID THE WORK. SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE EXTRA MONEY TO GO. AND NOW WE HAVE TO HIRE ANOTHER LABORER, REMOVE THE WINDOWS SHE HAS NOW, AND PUT IN OTHER WINDOWS AGAIN. SO AND SO WE, SHE'S ASKING JUST TO KEEP THE ONES THAT SHE ALREADY INSTALLED AND THE ONES THAT SHE DOES, SHE DOES HAVE, UM, THE ONES THAT ARE STILL REPAIRABLE, THOSE WILL BE REPAIRED. BUT IN, IN, IN ESSENCE, I MEAN YOU, SO THIS IS A COMPLIANCE CASE. YOU, YOU, YOU DID SOMETHING THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO IN A COM IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. AND NOW WE'RE JUST ASKING TO JUST BASICALLY LOOK THE OTHER WAY AND SAY, OKAY, YEAH, WE KNEW WE WERE WRONG. YEAH, WE PUT 'EM IN, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST LET US HAVE 'EM AND KEEP 'EM. SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MITIGATE BY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, UM, TO BE MORE HISTORIC OR BE MORE PERIOD CORRECT, AS YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE, UM, THE CARRIAGE HOUSES. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. OH, AGAIN, SHE, THERE IS THAT FINANCIAL CONCERN. UM, THIS, THIS WILL COST MORE MONEY THAN SHE'S, SHE HAS IN ORDER TO, TO GO BACK AND REDO IT AGAIN, ESSENTIALLY. RIGHT. UH, AGAIN, THESE, THIS IS ALUMINUM HOUSES. THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AREN'T, UH, PERIOD, CORRECT TO THE AREA, BUT THERE ARE ALREADY SEVERAL HOUSES ON FULTON AVENUE THAT DO HAVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. AND SO SHE'S ASKING IF SHE CAN JUST HAVE THE VARIANCE ON THE SIDE ONES, JUST THE SIDE WINDOWS. THE FRONT ONES WILL BE, WILL BE REPAIRED AND WILL BE RESTORED. 'CAUSE THOSE ARE SALVAGEABLE. AGAIN, THOSE SIDE WINDOWS, THERE WERE NO WINDOWS FRAMES, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE REALLY TO REBUILD. UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY TRY TO FIND SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. THANK YOU MR. CHAE. THE REST FOR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I KNOW THIS IS, COMPLIANCE CASES ARE ALWAYS DIFFICULT AND, UH, PERSONAL SITUATIONS ARE, ARE, UH, TOUGH TO ADMINISTER, BUT, UH, WE WILL NEED A MOTION OF SOME SORT. MR. CHAIR. I WILL ATTEMPT TO CRAFT A MOTION, UM, PLACE EXISTING, UM, TO APPROVE, LET'S SEE, MAYBE EXISTING, UM, OH DEAR . UM, TO APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS, LIMITED TO THOSE NOT ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND THOSE NOT ON THE WEST ELEVATION, TO DENY THE REMOVAL OF THE GARAGE DOORS AND TO REPLACE THE EXTERIOR WOODEN DOOR WITH AN ALUMINUM DOOR PRODUCT TO APPROVE THAT SECOND CLARIFICATION ON THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, THOSE WOULD MEET STAFF'S. I MEAN, UH, YES. STAFF STIPULATIONS, STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS. MM-HMM. . SO I'M JUST, JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IT. I'M SORRY. SO THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE REPLACE THE WEST END MM-HMM. AND THE FRONT. OKAY. I MEAN, NO, YOU, UM, MAINTAIN THE ONES IN THE FRONT MM-HMM. AND REPLACE THE ONES ON THE WEST WITH A WINDOW THAT CONFORMS TO THE CITY'S STAND TO O HP'S WOOD WINDOW STAND AND TO INSTALL THE GARAGE DOORS. YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANTED A CLARIFICATION. UM, I'M SORRY. YES, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SO COMMISSIONER SABINA. SO, UM, SO WE'RE FACING THE WINDOWS ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT, UH, SO WINDOWS SIX AND SEVEN, UM, ON EAST SIDE, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THOSE. IS THAT, WE'LL, ME LOOK, 53, 6 AND SEVEN. YES. ARE THOSE CURRENTLY WOOD WINDOWS? NO, THOSE ARE REPLACED AS WELL. YEP. IF YOU FEEL THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED. LET'S, WE WILL DO ADD SIX AND SEVEN. WELL, BASICALLY THAT WOULD BE ALL THE WINDOWS, ESSENTIALLY. YOU'RE TELLING US TO GO BACK 8, 9, 10. AND WHAT IS NINE THROUGH 14? NINE THROUGH 14 IS CURRENTLY WHAT IS NINE THROUGH 14, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE WINDOWS AT THE REAR AND AT THE BACK, UH, YEAH, THOSE, THOSE ARE THERE FACING THE EAST SIDE. BUT ARE THEY CURRENTLY YES, [02:00:01] THOSE ARE, THOSE HAVE BEEN REPLACED. OKAY. YOU WOULD BE A, YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THOSE. OKAY. IN PLACE. THE ONES THAT ARE OF PRIORITY ARE SIX, SEVEN, UM, FIVE, FOUR, CORRECT. UH, 22, 21, 3, 2, 1, 20 19, 18, 17, AND 16. THOSE THAT ARE MOST VISIBLE, 'CAUSE YOU ARE ON A CORNER TO BE WOOD WINDOWS TO MEET CITY STANDARDS. OKAY. ANY, IS THERE, WHICH ARE THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN? ARE THESE FACING THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? THIS IS THE BACK, UH, BACK OF THE PROPERTY. IF CAN GO BACK, I CAN POINT 'EM OUT TO YOU REAL QUICK. WE CAN, UH, EITHER THE MOTION CAN, CAN RECEIVE A SECOND AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND AMEND IT. YES. I SAID SECOND. YES, ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE A SECOND. SO A DISCUSSION. OKAY. WELL, UH, JUST THE REASON PRIMARILY IS THAT, UM, THESE ARE HIGHLY VISIBLE. ONE THING THAT DOES CONCERN ME ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE NOW, IT APPEARS IN THE PHOTOS I'M LOOKING, IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS A BRICK MOLD BETWEEN THE BRICK AND THE ORIGINAL WINDOW FRAME AND THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. THE ALUMINUM ONES THAT Y'ALL HAVE PUT IN HAVE ELIMINATED THAT BRICK MOLD AND THAT IS VERY CHARACTER DEFINING. I'M SORRY, DETAIL, WHICH ONE WAS THAT? UM, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE ONES ON THE WEST SIDE. UM, WE NO LONGER HAVE A BRICK MOLD. AND WHAT THAT BRICK MOLD ALLOWS YOU TO DO IS INSET A WOOD SCREEN. NO, THAT'S STILL THERE. WHEN THAT WAS, I'M LOOKING AT 13. IT'S SLIDE, UH, P D F 13. IT APPEARS WE'VE LOST OUR BRICK MOLD. SO EVEN BEING, EVEN IF WE WANTED TO PUT A WOODEN SCREEN TO CONCEAL IT, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT. SO THOSE ARE THE ONES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE? YES. YES. THAT'S THE PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT REQUEST. SO FOR THOSE, SO ON THAT ONE, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE NUMBER, UM, IF WE GO BACK TO THE FLOOR LAYOUT 16, 16, 17. YEP. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THERE, THERE ARE, YEAH, THOSE ARE 16 TO 17. YES. YEAH. SO THERE'S CERTAIN, CERTAIN WINDOWS THAT CAN BE, WHAT DO YOU SAY? FIXED OR AMELIORATED TO, TO LOOK HISTORIC IN CERTAIN CASES. IN THIS CASE, THOSE WINDOWS REALLY CANNOT. SO THAT'S WHY I'VE PRIORITIZED THOSE. I GOT YOU. SO 16 AND 17 YOU WOULD WANT, THAT'S THE WEST SIDE. YOU WOULD WANT THOSE 16, 19, AND 20. I DON'T THINK WE CHANGED THOSE, BUT WELL, IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CHANGED, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. WE'RE GOOD. MM-HMM. AND ALONG THE OTHER SIDE WHERE IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. UM, 21, 22, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THOSE. UM, ONE, TWO, AND THREE, THOSE AREN'T BEING TOUCHED EITHER. MM-HMM. AND SIX AND SEVEN. OKAY. THE SIX IS THE DOOR. OH, OKAY. SO IT'D JUST BE NUMBER SEVEN. OKAY. SO IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS OR AMENDMENTS, I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR. OKAY. COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, WHICH ARE THE ONES WITH THAT, UH, LACK OF BETTER WORDS. TERRIBLE FRAMING AROUND 1 16, 16 THROUGH 20. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? I, MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SO THIS IS REALLY A CLARIFICATION, UM, AND A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER SABINO. SO, UM, THE MOTION THAT YOU CRAFTED WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE CHANGING, REQUESTING THAT IT CHANGE THE WINDOWS ON THE WEST SIDE. UM, AND THEN THE, UM, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THE, SINCE HE SAID THE DOOR IS NUMBER SIX AND THE WINDOW IS NUMBER SEVEN. SO WE, WE PLACED THE DOOR WITH ALUMINUM AND THE WINDOW IS ALUMINUM, SO WE'RE ASKING TO CHANGE ALL THOSE BACK ON, ON ALL THE SIDE. THAT'S WHY I'M, I NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE WINDOW SHOULD BE RETURNED TO WOOD AND THE WINDOWS 16 THROUGH 20 SHOULD BE WOOD RETURNED TO WOOD, AND EVERYTHING ON THE FRONT SHOULD BE RETAINED. RIGHT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. YES. MR. NA VASQUEZ, HAVE YOU GONE ON FREDERICKSBURG ROAD JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE HOUSE HERE AND GONE TO THE RESALE SHOP AND CHECKED OUT THE FRAMES THERE? WE, UH, SHE HAS, YES. AND THERE'S OTHER RESALE PLACES THAT NO, NO, WE, WE MATCHED. I ACTUALLY DRIVE ON FREDERICKSBURG EVERY DAY, UM, TO GO TO WORK. SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOP. YEP. OKAY. THANK [02:05:01] YOU. THAT YOU COULD USE TO REPLACE THESE ALUMINUM FRAMES. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA COMPLY IN THE END OF THE DAY. YOU GUYS ARE THE GOVERNING BODY, BUT MY QUESTION IS, HOW IS IT WE CAN ALLOW OTHER PROPERTIES ON THAT SAME STREET TO CHANGE OVER TO ALUMINUM, WHICH ARE CLEARLY ALUMINUM, AND WE CAN BRING UP THE PICTURES AND THEN THAT STIPULATION NOT ALLOWED IN THIS REGARD. UH, JUST SOME CLARIFICATION I'M ASKING. WELL, NOT KNOWING WHAT SPECIFIC PROPERTIES WHEN THEY WERE, I, I CAN POINT 'EM OUT TO YOU. I, OKAY. WHEN, WHEN THEY HAD COME FOR BEFORE THE, THE COMMISSION BEFORE, WHETHER THEY HAD HAD ALUMINUM WINDOWS BEFORE THIS BECAME HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE'S DIFFERENT, UM, SITUATIONS FOR EVERY PROPERTY. THESE WERE DONE IN THE LAST YEAR. UM, WE, I, WE CAN'T SHOW PICTURES. YOU CAN GO GO. IT'S, EVERYTHING'S CAN BE VERIFIED. GOOGLE EARTH IMAGES AND FROM THIS MORNING, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY, MY ONLY QUESTION. IN THE LAST YEAR, THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES DIRECTLY NEXT TO MY MOTHER'S HOUSE THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED OVER FROM WOOD TO ALUMINUM. UM, AND SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE SAME APPROVAL ESSENTIALLY. OKAY. WE'D NEED TO ASK STAFF TO CHECK INTO THOSE PROPERTIES AND SEE IF THEY WERE DONE WITH A CERTIFICATE OF CORRECT. RIGHT. SO I DID ON A SITE VISIT, AND, UM, SHE DID MENTION THOUGH, SO I ASKED HER TO PROVIDE A LIST OF ADDRESSES SO I CAN GO AHEAD AND CHECK IN THE BACKEND. AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY ADDRESSES, SO I CAN DO ANY RESEARCH ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE APPROVED, IF IT WAS A VIOLATION, IF IT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO GIVE YOU AT THIS TIME. OKAY, THANK YOU. HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN A HISTORIC DISTRICT? SINCE 2001 Q. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO. AYE. SIVAN, SAVINO. AYE. BRI REGARD? AYE. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU REPEAT? SORRY. AYE. THANK YOU ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 1 46 NAVARRO. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 360 7 1 46 NAVARRO, 2 0 3 SOUTH PRESA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SURFACE PARKING LOT AT 1 46 NAVARRO. THE PROPOSED SURFACE PARKING LOT WILL FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 14 PARKING STALLS AND WILL BE LOCATED IN AN EXISTING PEDESTRIAN PLAZA. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH D. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT AMEND THE PROPOSED SITE AND PARKING DESIGN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE IN THE U D C. THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE RELOCATION AND SCREENING OF THE PROPOSED DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, BUFFERING AND SCREENING OF PARKING CONSISTENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE IN THE U D C AND WOULD LIKELY RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT IN A S EXCUSE ME, WOULD LIKELY RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN SERVICE PARKING. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT RELOCATE AND AMEND THE PROPOSED DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE U D C. UH, THERE'S ALSO AN ARCHEOLOGICAL REQUIREMENT, UH, REGARDING AN INVESTIGATION. UM, WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT HERE IN PERSON, OR ACTUALLY TWO, UH, MS. JESSICA MILLIGAN IS HERE IN PERSON AS WELL AS, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. UH, AND, UH, MR. UMBERTO, IAN IS, UH, ON VIA, UH, WEBEX. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JESSICA MILLIGAN AND I AM THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, SO I'LL BE PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PULL UP THE, UM, EXISTING SITE PHOTOS THAT I SENT OVER. SO I JUST WANNA START, UM, WITH GIVING YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT IS EXISTING TODAY. UM, IT WAS NOTED THAT WE ARE REPLACING AN EXISTING PEDESTRIAN PLAZA, BUT THAT PLAZA, UM, HAS BEEN PARTIALLY DEMOLISHED AND THE SITE IS ACTUALLY, UM, SURROUNDED WITH CONSTRUCTION FENCING. SO, UM, THAT PLAZA IS, IS ALREADY GONE AND IS NOT, UM, ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. UM, SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE A CLEAR, UM, PICTURE OF WHAT, WHAT IS OUT THERE TODAY. SO THIS IS THE PLAZA AREA WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING THE SURFACE PARKING LOT. AND THEN, UM, IF WE GO TO AN AERIAL, WE CAN SEE THAT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. THERE ARE SEVERAL, [02:10:01] UM, ADJACENT, UH, SURFACE PARKING LOT SERVING THIS AREA. AND SO WE WOULD BE, UM, PROPOSING, UH, A SIMILAR IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, FINDINGS WAS THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENT. AND, UH, THIS SITE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, AND 15 OF THAT 20 FEET NEEDS TO BE LANDSCAPED. UM, WE ARE UP AGAINST, UM, SITE CONSTRAINTS DUE TO THE MINIMUM LOT DEPTH. UM, THE LOT DEPTH RANGE RANGES FROM ABOUT 87 TO 67 FEET. SO, UM, BUFFERING WITH A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE PARKING LOT. WE WOULD GO FROM 14 PARKING SPOTS DOWN TO 10, AND IT, THAT WOULD BE PRETTY INCONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. THERE'S NO LANDSCAPE BUFFERING AND THEY'VE GOT PARKING RIGHT UP AGAINST THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY LINE. AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO IMPROVE THE SIDEWALK OUT FRONT. WE WILL BE INSTALLING SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS TO ENHANCE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IN THE AREA. AND, UM, WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS JUST UP THERE, WE WILL BE, UM, ENHANCING THE LANDSCAPE FOR THIS AREA. AND THEN I TO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT, UM, YOU KNOW, DUMP, ALTERNATIVE DUMPSTER PLACEMENT AND, UM, WE CAME UP WITH THE, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO PUT THE DUMPSTER WHERE WE HAVE IT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN DUE TO, UM, ACCESSIBILITY. SO THIS IS A ONE WAY, IN ONE WAY OUT PARKING LOT. AND SO THE LANE IS ONLY 12 FEET WIDE, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, PRETTY DIFFICULT FOR A, UH, TRASH TRUCK TO GET INTO THE PARKING LOT AND BACK INTO ONE OF THOSE CORNERS, UM, WITHOUT DISRUPTING, UH, THE USE OF THE PARKING LOT DURING THOSE TRASH PICKUPS. AND, UM, WE WILL BE PROPOSING SCREENING FOR THE DUMPSTER. WE WILL NOT JUST HAVE THE DUMPSTER OUT THERE, SO WE WILL HAVE AN ENCLOSURE FOR THAT AS WELL, ALONG WITH LANDSCAPING ADJACENT TO IT. AND THEN, UH, THE, THE LAST FINDING HAS TO DO WITH THE ARCHEOLOGICAL REQUIREMENTS. AND I DID WANNA NOTE THAT THE SURFACE PARKING LOT IS BEING PLACED ON AN ALREADY DEVELOPED AREA. SO WE ARE ON TOP OF THE EXISTING PARKING GARAGE, SO THERE IS NO, UM, KIND OF NATIVE SOILS. THIS WOULD BE ALL, UM, PLACED ON BACKFILL MATERIAL THAT HAS BEEN IMPORTED IN. AND THERE WOULD BE NO DISRUPTION TO ANY ARCHEOLOGICAL, UM, FEATURES. THEY WOULD'VE ALREADY BEEN, UH, TAKEN OUT PREVIOUSLY. SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO TO CLEAR ANYTHING UP. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I WAS GONNA NOTE, UM, COMMISSIONERS, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE U D C ARE RELATIVELY TECHNICAL, UM, IN REGARDS TO, UH, WHAT SITE CONDITION OR WHERE THE LIGHT'S LOCATED AND WHAT TYPE OF BUFFER IS REQUIRED. UH, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, I CAN, UH, EITHER READ THE FINDINGS OR PROVIDE CLARITY, UH, THE TABLE THAT WE NEED TO REFERENCES IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, UH, THE DEMOLITION OF THE PLAZA THAT WAS THERE, HOW, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? UH, I'LL NEED TO LOOK. I I, IF THERE WAS A PERMIT THAT WAS REQUESTED, UM, O H P STAFF MOST LIKELY WOULD'VE REVIEWED IT. UM, HOWEVER, UM, GIVEN THAT THIS IS RIO AND DOWNTOWN, UM, A SIMPLE SITE WORK PERMIT OR A GRADING PERMIT, OR THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING LOT, MOST LIKELY WOULDN'T HAVE RISEN TO THE LEVEL THAT, UH, A PERMIT WOULD'VE BEEN REQUIRED. UH, SO, UH, THE APP, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE APPLICANT MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN, UH, THAT THEY, THAT THEY MAY HAVE NEEDED TO RE HAVE A REVIEW FOR THE REMOVAL OF THOSE. UM, THE, I DON'T, JUST BASED ON THE PHOTOS, DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE, UH, I'M GONNA SAY THIS, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ANY HISTORIC ELEMENTS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN IMPACTED, UH, WITH THE REMOVAL OF THAT. IT WAS SITE SURFACE PAVING. UM, I HAVE, UH, IN THE EXHIBITS, THIS IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE. SO, UM, I WOULD ASSUME IT GENERALLY DATES TO THE DATE OF THE PARKING GARAGE, CONSTRUCTION OR THEREAFTER. THANK YOU. EDWARD, IS THAT PICTURE WITH THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION, THE MOST RECENT? THESE PHOTOS ARE FROM THIS WEEK, I BELIEVE? [02:15:01] YES. A QUESTION ABOUT THE DUMPSTER AND TYPE OF ENCLOSURE YOU'RE PROPOSING, HOW LARGE IS THAT? AND, UH, IS IT ON WHEELS? I'VE SEEN, I'VE BEEN, UH, I'VE SEEN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHERE I'VE DRIVING A TRUCK UP TO PICK UP THE DUMPSTER DIRECTLY, UH, WASN'T POSSIBLE. AND THEY HAD SMALLER DUMPSTERS ON WHEELS THAT THEY ROLLED OUT OF AN ENCLOSURE FURTHER BACK INTO THE SITE, OUT TO THE STREET WHERE IT WAS PICKED UP BY THE, THE TRUCK. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY TO GET THIS DUMPSTER FURTHER AWAY FROM THE, UH, PUBLIC SIDEWALK? I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY. ANOTHER ITEM TO NOTE WITH THE LOCATION THAT WAS CHOSEN FOR THE DUMPSTER IS THAT IF IT WERE FURTHER BACK, IT WOULD BE ON TOP OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE. AND SO WE WOULD JUST NEED TO LOOK INTO THE STRUCTURAL, UM, REQUIREMENTS AND STABILITY FOR, FOR THE WEIGHT, UM, COMPONENT. BUT THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UM, INVESTIGATE. OKAY, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ? ISN'T THERE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES? THERE ARE, UM, THE GUIDELINES ARE REFERENCED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, FINDING B, C, AND D. AND DO YOU KNOW IF, OR DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS WAS BUILT AS PART OF HEMISPHERE 68? I, I DUNNO, I BELIEVE THE GARAGE WAS RIGHT AROUND 68 69. SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE PLAZA DATES AT THAT TIME, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR QUESTIONS. UM, SO IS THIS PARCEL WITHIN THE LATA HISTORIC DISTRICT? IT IS. IT IS. SO THAT WOULD'VE PROMPTED A REVIEW OF THE DEMOLITION? CORRECT. WELL, UH, I, I, I GUESS I SHOULD FURTHER EXPLAIN. UM, IF THE APPLICANT DIDN'T GO FORWARD TO D S D TO REQUEST A PERMIT, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN NO WAY FOR THEM TO DETERMINE THAT. LIKEWISE, UH, IF THEY WENT TO D SS D AND SAID, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PERMIT TO REMOVE EXISTING SITE PAVING MM-HMM. , D S D COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY SAID, YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT FOR THAT, REGARDLESS OF THE LOCATION. I SEE. SO IT, IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE EVEN NOTIFIED OF, UH, SURE. THAT, THAT, THAT WAS REQUIRED. OKAY. UH, SECOND QUESTION IS, IS THE APPLICANT THE SAME APPLICANT AS FOR THE RESTORATION OR, UM, REHAB OF THE MAIN BUILDING? THE APPLICANT'S DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S THE SAME OWNERSHIP GROUP. UM, AND THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL FROM THE OWNERSHIP GROUP HERE. OKAY. THAT, UM, I THEN I'VE GOT A GREAT QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, WHAT IS, UH, BEING PROPOSED HERE? WAS THAT IN THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT AND PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE RENOVATION OF THAT BUILDING? NO, NO. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT. UM, AND I THINK I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. EXCUSE ME, SIR, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? YEAH, SORRY. YEAH, BRADY WILKINS WITH BH PROPERTIES, UM, YOUR QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT, UH, UH, ABOUT WHY THE, THE DEMOLITION HAPPENED. SO YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE REQUEST THAT CAME THROUGH, UM, THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND WAS APPROVED WAS FOR A MORE EXTENSIVE RENOVATION MM-HMM. . UM, WE ACTUALLY EMBARKED ON THAT, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR AND, AND QUICKLY CHANGED COURSE AFTER THE ONE THERE. THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN OFFICE COMPONENT, UH, TO THIS PROJECT, IF SOME OF YOU RECALL. IT'S, UH, NEARLY FOR ITS ENTIRETY OF IT, ITS EXISTENCE WAS, UH, UTILIZED BY C P S, UH, ENERGY FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR OFFICE OPERATIONS. UM, SO WITH, UH, WITH, WITH THE CHANGE IN THE, UH, UH, IN THE OFFICE MARKET, OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, AND IN THE FINANCIAL MARKETS AS WELL, THE DECISION WAS, WAS MADE TO AT LEAST FOR NOW TO STOP. AND WE HAD ALREADY DONE SOME LIMITED DEMOLITION, WHICH INCLUDED, UM, WHICH INCLUDED THIS AREA. BUT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE LEARNED DURING THE OWNERSHIP, UH, OF THIS PROJECT. UM, AND, AND BEING PART OF THE LATA, UH, AND, AND FIESTA AND BEING ASKED TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THEM TO UTILIZE THIS AREA FOR DURING FIESTA FOR BOOTHS AND EVEN, EXCUSE ME, EVEN USE OUR, UH, BREEZEWAY, UH, AS A CONTROL POINT FOR THE PLAZA DURING FIESTA. UH, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BECOME [02:20:01] VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM AND, UH, IT IT CAUSED US TO KIND OF RETHINK WHAT, WHAT THIS AREA WOULD BE USED FOR. I THINK THEY'VE EVEN USED IT FOR, FOR KIND OF A LIVE MUSIC VENUE AS WELL. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS PART OF OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS TO, TO ACTIVATE THAT 200 FEET OF, UH, RIVER WALK FRONTAGE THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE 1960S, IT'S, THIS BUILDING'S KIND OF HAD, ITS BACK TURNED TO THE RIVER WALK. UM, AND, AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THE, THE OVERALL PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, OFFICE, AND OF COURSE THE, THE PARKING GARAGE. UM, SO HAVING, UH, YOU KNOW, MARKETING THAT, THAT RIVERWALK FRONTAGE TO VARIOUS FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER POTENTIAL USERS, UM, WE LEARNED THAT, UH, UM, THE, THE, THE ONLY EXISTING TRASH ENCLOSURE FOR THE BUILDING IS OVER ON NAVARRO ON THE OPPOSITE CORNER OF THE PROJECT. IT'S TOO FAR OF DISTANCE FOR, UH, ANY POTENTIAL RESTAURANT OR RESTAURANTS, UM, USER. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE, WE'RE INCORPORATING, UM, THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, , THE, THE PARKING SPACES ARE KIND OF ANCILLARY TO, UM, TO THE PAR TO THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY IN, IN, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING ON SUCH A SMALL SCALE, THE, UH, IT BECOMES, UM, COST INEFFICIENT VERY QUICKLY, UH, TO, TO PAVE SOMETHING. AND, AND, AND YOU'VE GOTTA DO ALL THE SITE WORK AND EVERYTHING ELSE RELATED TO IT, A D A SIDEWALKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, LANDSCAPING. UM, SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION WAS MADE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD UTILIZE, WELL, HOW WE COULD ONE SERVE, UM, THE PROSPECTIVE TENANTS FOR, FOR THE RIVERWALK FRONTAGE, YOU KNOW, TWO, UH, TO BE ABLE TO LET THE, UM, FIESTA COMMISSION UTILIZE THIS AREA DURING, UH, FIESTA EVENTS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, WHAT WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THIS AREA WAS A VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, EXTENSIVE HARDSCAPE LANDSCAPE AREA THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE WE, WE LEARNED QUICKLY IS DURING OUR OWNERSHIP IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS GONNA CREATE A HAVEN FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE. AND, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD TO, UM, WE, WE, WE'VE HAD TO ADDRESS DURING DINNER OWNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, ADDED SECURITY OR, OR, UM, MAINTENANCE AROUND THE PROJECT. BUT WE DECIDED THAT WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO CREATE AN AREA THAT THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A HAVEN FOR, FOR THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY. IT AL IT ALREADY IS IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY SECONDARY OR THIRD TO THE PRIMARY REASON. AND THEN THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, UM, WE, WE HAVE THIS AMENITY TO SERVE THE, THE POTENTIAL RESTAURANT USERS FOR THE RIVER WALK FRONTAGE OF THE PROJECT. SO YES, WE STARTED AND STOPPED, AND THAT'S WHY THE PROJECT'S AND THE CONDITION OF DAMAGE, BUT IT DID GO THROUGH FULL REVIEW. THE, THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT DID RIGHT. PRESENTED ON. SO WHAT KIND OF, UM, FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN, THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLANNING OF THAT GROUND LEVEL, WHAT REMAINS, IS THE PASS THROUGH STILL GOING TO OCCUR? THE PEDESTRIAN PASS THROUGH? OH, YES. YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT'S STILL THERE, THAT THAT'LL BE PRESERVED. I MEAN, MOST OF IT WAS COSMETIC. MM-HMM. , YES. BUT MOST OF THE, YEAH, MOST OF THE PLANS TO RENOVATE WERE, BUT YOU PLAN TO DO THAT. YOU PLAN TO, YES. YEAH. PLAY OUT THAT PORTION OF IT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND, UM, AND THEN I WAS GONNA ASK WHY YOU NEED 1214 PARKING SPACES. UM, MIGHT THIS BE A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A DUMPSTER AND A COUPLE OF SPACES AND RELEGATE THE REST BACK TO THE PEDESTRIAN REALM? UH, YEAH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I MEAN, IT, IT JUST, IT'S, IT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO, UM, I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY, I MEAN, WE, WE WILL, THE, THE RESTAURANTS WILL, UH, THEY WILL NEED THESE, UH, AND THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE 'EM FOR, UH, VALET PARKING AND PARKING FOR CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE PROJECT. I MEAN, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE. MM-HMM. BEEN GETTING FROM ALL OF THE PROSPECTS. AND, AND ESSENTIALLY THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, UH, HAS KIND OF PROMPTED THE DESIGN OF THIS AND THE, AND THE NEED FOR IT. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. AND, AND WHY CAN'T THESE PATRONS [02:25:01] USE THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE OTHER PARKING LOT THAT'S 20 FEET, 10 FEET FROM WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? UH, WELL, THEY CAN, UM, BUT THE SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THAT GARAGE, IT'S GONNA BE UTILIZED BY THE, THE OFFICE TENANTS THAT, UH, DURING NORMAL BUSINESS WORKING HOURS. RIGHT. UH, YES. I MEAN, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, WE HAVE EXISTING, UH, CONTRACTS WITH, UH, SURROUNDING HOTELS FOR BOTH THEIR VALET EMPLOYEES, UH, SOME OF THE SURROUNDING, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS AND SOME OF THE PLANNED HOTELS IN THE AREA, UM, OR PLANNING TO UTILIZE THAT GARAGE AS WELL. THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ. SO THE MAXIMUM AFTER YOU INCLUDE THE DUMPSTER IN THERE OF PARKING SLOTS IS 13 OR 14. 14. AND THEN I NOTICED IN ONE OF THE PICTURES, THIS HAS A, UM, A D A ACCESSIBLE RAMP STILL THERE FROM, I GUESS THE REMNANTS OF WHAT HASN'T BEEN TORN DOWN. IS THERE OTHER ENTRANCES TO THE BUILDING THAT HAVE, UM, AD ACCESSIBLE? UM, I MEAN, THERE IS, THERE'S A D ACCESSIBILITY ON THE GARAGE, LOBBY ON THE NAVARRO STREET SIDE, AND THEN THERE'S THE, UH, YEAH, WHAT WE CALL THE ANNEX OR THE, THE RETAIL PIECE THAT FRONTS THE RIVERWALK. IT'S 80 ACCESSIBLE. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION IF NO ONE HAS QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YES. I MOVE THAT NOT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE PARKING LOT, UM, IN ANY CAPACITY. SECOND MOTION AND SECOND, YOU LIKE TO, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PARKING ALREADY THERE. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL CHARACTER AND DEVELOPMENT OF THAT ZONE, THAT'S THE LAST THING THAT THAT AREA NEEDS IS ANOTHER PARKING LOT, ESPECIALLY SO CLOSE TO SOME OF THE FACILITIES THAT ARE USED BY, BY THE TOURIST PATRONS AND THAT SORT OF THING. I UNDERSTAND THE PARKING SHORTCOMINGS. UM, BUT IF THE OFFICE SPACE WORKS FROM NINE TO FIVE, GENERALLY PEOPLE GO TO EAT DINNERS AND RESTAURANTS ON WEEKENDS. UH, YOU'VE GOT THAT BIG PARKING LOT RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. UM, AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK IT SHOULD BE WHAT IT WAS BEFORE SOME SORT OF FACILITY THAT COULD BE USED, UH, UH, AS, AS A MEETING POINT OR AS A, A LITTLE, A LITTLE HANGOUT AREA OR WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. YEAH. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THOUGH, I MEAN THAT'S PROHIBITING OUR ABILITY TO, TO ACTIVATE THAT, THAT RIVER FRONTAGE. I MEAN, I MEAN THERE'S ESSENTIALLY, IT'S, I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY ACTIVATE THE RIVER FRONTAGE, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU, BE MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT? WELL, RIGHT, IT'S BEEN FOR THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 50 PLUS YEARS IT'S BEEN UTILIZED AS OFFICE SPACE WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE WELL ORIGINALLY WENT TO GO PAY THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS IN, IN TOWN. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT LITTLE PATIO THAT, THAT WAS DEMOLISHED WAS AN OFFICE SPACE BEFORE? NO, NO, NO, NO. THE THIS, THE, THE OVERALL PROJECT 1 46 NAVERO HAS 200 LINEAR FEET OF FRONTAGE ON THE, ON THE RIVER DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE HOTEL CONTESSA. RIGHT. SO THE PLAN IS TO, IS TO, UM, IS TO MAKE THAT OR CONVERT THAT. AND WE'VE BEEN MARKETING IT FOR THREE YEARS NOW, UH, FOR RESTAURANT, A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT. AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, KIND OF A, A TRASH ENCLOSURE OR BACK OF HOUSE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THOSE SPACES, UH, OR TO PROVIDE ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, VALET OR DROP OFF OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PRESS THE STREETS A VERY TIGHT TWO LANE. YEAH. I DON'T SEE THAT IMPACTING THE, THE OVERALL VISIBILITY OF THE CHARACTER OF THAT, OF THAT, UH, OF THAT ZONE. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH IT. AND, SORRY, I DON'T THINK, UH, I'M WITH THE COMMISSIONER CERVANTES FOR 14 SLOTS. I DON'T THINK SO. UM, LUCKILY IT'S ONLY PARCHED. HOPEFULLY IT COULD BE RESTORED MADE INTO SOMETHING USEFUL FOR THE AREA. I KNOW IT'S USED FOR OTHER EVENTS. UM, THERE'S THREE HUGE SURFACE PARKING LOTS ALREADY. UM, I'M SURE I'M MISSING SOME OF THEM JUST AROUND THE CORNER. WELL, WE, WE DO GET CALLS WEEKLY FROM THE, THE, THE FIESTA COMMISSION ASKING WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE RESTORED FOR THEIR USE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT US BEING ABLE TO BUILD A PARKING AND IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO STAY, UH, YOU KNOW, FENCED, YOU KNOW, I GUESS INDEFINITELY. SO STAFF, WHEN SOMEONE PRESENTS SOMEONE AND THEY START A PROJECT, WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY HOLDS 'EM TO FOR COMPLETING THAT PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED? I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ONE, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A, A PROCESS IN PLACE. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS A DANGEROUS PREMISE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM TO WHERE IF, UH, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S POSING AN IMMEDIATE THREAT. [02:30:01] UM, HOWEVER, IN REGARDS TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I MEAN, I, THERE'S NOT A PROCESS THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT'S IN PLACE TO WHERE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT OR EVEN O H P WOULD, WOULD TELL SOMEBODY THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLETE A PROJECT IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME OR ELSE THEY CAN TELL 'EM TO RENDER IT SAFE OR, I MEAN, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS HERE OR THE APPLICANT IS JUST LIABLE FOR ANY INJURIES OR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITH REGARDS TO THAT. I MEAN, IT, I I, I WOULD ASSUME SO, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT OR PROCESS IN PLACE TO WHERE O H P WOULD GO ONSITE AND SAY YOU STARTED A PROJECT, YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE IT WITHIN SIX MONTHS OR EIGHT MONTHS OR 12 MONTHS. THERE, THERE'S NOT THAT IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CASTILLO, JUST A CLARIFICATION. STAFF ISN'T RECOMMENDING, IT'S NOT A PARKING LOT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A PROPOSED SITE AND PARKING DESIGN, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THE WAY THAT, THAT AS PROPOSED STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BECAUSE THE PARKING LOT DOES NOT MEET THE U D C STANDARDS. UM, HOWEVER, STAFF IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THE APPLICANT COULD INSTALL A PARKING LOT THERE IF THEY INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF BUFFERING. UM, THE ONLY THING IS THAT WOULD JUST PROVE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE APPLICANT AS IF THEY INSTALL THE AMOUNT OF BUFFER, THE AMOUNT OF BUFFERING THE U D C WOULD REQUIRE. THEY WOULD MAYBE HAVE SPACE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, 5, 6, 7 PARKING SPOTS. BUT, UM, IF THEY MET THE U D C STANDARDS, THEN THE PARKING LOT HERE IN THEORY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND THE UUD C STANDARDS WOULD, UH, LESSEN THE NUMBER OF SLOTS THAT THEY GET. CORRECT. THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED TO SHOW, THAT'S JUST MY ASSUMPTION BASED ON THE APPLICANT NEEDING TO PROVIDE A 20 FOOT BUFFER FROM PRESA. UM, SO THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING, BUT, UH, THERE WOULD STILL BE SOME AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT THE APPLICANT COULD LIKELY PROVIDE ON SITE. MR. CHAIR? YES, COMMISSIONER GIBBS? THANK YOU MR. GIBBS. I MEAN, WE DID GET, WE DID GET CITY APPROVAL MONDAY AS PRESENTED, UH, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY WILL WILLING TO INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, UH, A LOT OF THE GUIDELINES WITH REGARD TO SCREENING LANDSCAPING, UM, THAT THE, UH, HISTORIC COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDING. UM, AND WE COULD CERTAINLY COME BACK AND PRESENT SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UH, WOULD ADDRESS THOSE. BUT I MEAN, WE DID ATTEMPT TO DESIGN IT WITH THE TRASH ENCLOSURE IN THE BACK, BUT THIS JUST, IT JUST WASN'T UNFEASIBLE. YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO, UM, SIR, I, I'M CHIMING INTO BASICALLY STATE, I MEAN, YOU'LL AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKING LOT IN THE AREA. I MEAN, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT PRACTICE. SOUTH PRE STREET IS, WELL PRETTY MUCH ALL OF MY COMMISSIONERS ARE AS WELL AND ALSO FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE PARKING AROUND THERE. BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU STATED THAT KIND OF, KIND OF TAKE, TOOK ME BACK WHERE YOU STATED, IF YOU DON'T GET THE PARKING LOTS, THEN BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE AREA IS A CONSTRUCTION ZONE RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL JUST LEAVE IT AS THAT. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT TO SAY? THAT THAT FENCING FENCING AND THAT GREEN, UH, STUFF AROUND THE FENCE IS STILL GONNA STAY THERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT? YEAH, RIGHT NOW, YEAH, FOR LIABILITY AND SAFETY REASONS, WE NEED TO KEEP IT ENCLOSED WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION SCREENING. UH, AND UNTIL WE RESUME THE RENOVATIONS OF THE BUILDING, THE ORIGINAL PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, EITHER THE OFFICE MARKET AND OR FINANCIAL MARKETS RETURN SO THAT IT'S A, A FEASIBLE PROJECT AGAIN, THEN WE WILL, YEAH, WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING WITH IT, BUT NOTHING IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE. OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IF I CAN'T HAVE MY PARKING LOT, I'M NOT TAKING STUFF OUT YEAH KNOW AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE TRYING TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD DO RIGHT NOW WITH THE SPACE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THAT'S FEASIBLE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY TO, TO ADDRESS OUR RESISTANCE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS FROM RESTAURANT TENANT PROSPECTS TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN, UH, KIND OF BE A, CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD STEWARD WITH THE FIESTA COMMISSION AND, AND PROVIDE THEM, UH, A SPACE TO UTILIZE DURING FIESTA. UM, BUT IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, COMING TO THE REALIZATION THAT WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SMALL GREEN SP GREEN SPACE PARK AREA, UM, UM, WE, WE WON'T BE DOING THAT FOR THE REASONS I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT IT'S JUST CREATING A AND THAT GREEN SPACE PARKING. I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN, AND THAT GREEN SPACE PARKING AREA WAS PART OF YOUR OTHER OVERALL, OUR INITIAL PLAN. IT WAS, AND THAT WAS AGREED UPON, [02:35:01] THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE AND THAT WAS APPROVED, THAT WAS A CONDITION AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS WORKED THROUGH AND EVERYONE AGREED, CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. MR. CHAIR? YES, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD A, A COMMENT. UM, I BELIEVE I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS, THIS MOTION, UM, IN PROBABLY FOR SIMILAR REASONS. THIS IS TRULY AN ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT AND TO TURN IT INTO PARKING REALLY KIND OF GOES COUNTER TO A LOT OF THE PLANNING AND, AND DEVELOPING THAT REDEVELOPING THAT THE CITY IS DOING DOWNTOWN, UH, CONSIDERING THE LOCATION OF THIS PARCEL. UM, IF THE MOTION PASSES, AND IF THIS IS DENIED, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, UH, REVIEW STAFF STIPULATIONS, COME UP WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DESIGN TO ADDRESS THE DUMPSTER PORTION, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE KEY. UM, I WOULD THINK THE FUNCTIONAL KEY, UM, AND REINSTATE THE GREEN AREA, BUT COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN, SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAT ADDRESSES STAFF STIPULATIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO. AYE. SAVINA. AYE. AND JUST TO NOTE THAT DR. ARD DID LEAVE THE MEETING, SO SHE'LL BE MARKED ABSENT, UH, MOOKA AYE. GUEVARA? AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, FOLLOWING ON WHAT COMMISSIONER SAVINO SAID IS, UH, LOOK AT STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, TAKE COMMENTS FROM HERE AND, UH, COME BACK WITH A, UH, DIFFERENT PLAN. LOOK AT JUST DIFFERENT DUMPS THAT ARE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, UM, AND LANDSCAPING PLANS. BUT, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COMING BACK WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE FOUR NINETEEN CALL TIRE. YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH THREE SEVENTY FOUR NINETEEN. CALL TIRE, OOPS, ME. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT FOUR 19 CALL TIRE LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH SS STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMS THAT A FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES IS USED BASED ON FINDING H A FOUNDATION HEIGHT OF AT LEAST ONE FOOT SHOULD BE USED. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT GREATLY SIMPLIFIES THE PROPOSED ROOF FORMS AND SUBMITS UPDATED PLANS AND ELEVATION DRAWINGS FOR STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C. BASED ON, BASED ON FINDING I A STRUCTURE FEATURING ONE TRADITIONAL PRIMARY ROOF FORM AND ONE TRADITIONAL SECONDARY ROOF FORM WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS SHOWING THAT THE PROPOSED FIBER CEMENT BOARD SIDING WILL FEATURE A REVEAL OF NO MORE THAN SIX INCHES AND A SMOOTH TEXTURE BASED ON FINDING K A FAUX WOOD GRAIN FINISH IS NOT PERMITTED. FINAL SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED WINDOWS TO STAFF THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS. FIVE. THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE PROPOSAL TO FEATURE AN ATTACHED GARAGE THAT IS SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE AND SUBMITS UPDATED PLANS AND ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING N SIX THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY BASED ON FINDING Q AND SEVEN THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C. AS NOTED IN FINDING R AS A CASE COMMENT FOLLOWING, UH, THE PUBLISH THE AGENDAS, THE AGENDA BEING PUBLISHED, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT UPDATED PLANS THAT MEET MANY OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. SO I WILL SHOW THAT LATE SUBMITTAL NOW IT IS IN THE LATE SUBMITTAL FOLDER FOLDER AS WELL. UM, STAFF FINDS THAT THESE PLANS MEET, UH, STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND FIVE AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE MATERIAL, UH, SPECIFICATION STIPULATIONS THREE, FOUR, UH, SIX, AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING STIPULATION SEVEN BE RETAINED. UH, THE APPLICANT, AMEN VARMOUR IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. AS AN ADDITIONAL CASE COMMENT, UH, THE PERMIT FOR THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS ISSUED IN ERROR IN MAY, 2022. UH, STAFF RECEIVED A REPORT THAT THAT CONSTRUCTION WAS TAKING PLACE WITHOUT, WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, IN AUGUST AND STAFF ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER. UH, THE APPLICANT WAS COMPLIANT AND HAS BEEN VERY [02:40:01] GRACIOUS AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR TIME. AND I WILL PULL UP THE LATE SUBMITTAL FOLDER, UM, PLANS NOW. THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. UM, AND AMON, IF YOU ARE WITH US VIRTUALLY, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK TO YOUR UPDATED PLANS AT THIS TIME. YES, HI. UM, YEAH, I AM HERE. AND, UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR, FOR, UH, ALLOWING THE LATE SUBMITTAL. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, AS STATED, WE DID, UM, UH, WE WERE UNAWARE, UM, THAT WE WERE NEEDING TO, TO, UM, I GUESS ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES AS WE WERE ALREADY GRANTED THE BUILDING PERMIT. UM, ONCE WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, UH, WE HAVE MADE MANY, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO CONFORM, UM, OR ATTEMPT TO CONFORM TO WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD NEED, UM, IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, AND SO YES, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE PLANS THAT WE ARE SEEING. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A COUPLE OF LITTLE LAST MINUTE DETAILS, UH, I THINK LIKE FOUNDATION HEIGHT AND SOME OTHER STUFF THAT WAS EMAILED, UM, THIS AFTERNOON, UM, OVER, I WANNA SAY PROBABLY ABOUT ONE O'CLOCK. UM, SO IF YOU GUYS NEED TO SEE THAT, UM, THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF LITTLE, UM, UM, HIGHLIGHTED AREAS THAT, THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL WAS NEEDING TO SEE. THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AS WELL. UM, SO I'M, UH, IF, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, UM, I'M, I'M HERE TO HELP. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO QUESTION TO STAFF, JUST TO REITERATE, STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO AND FIVE HAVE BEEN MET AND THREE, FOUR AND SIX ARE, ARE STILL WHAT VALID AND OUTSTANDING, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO STAFF FINDS THAT WITH THIS UPDATED SUBMITTAL, THE APPLICANT HAS MET STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND FIVE. UM, STIPULATIONS THREE AND FOUR ARE STANDARD MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS. SO THE APPLICANT HAS GENERALLY AGREED, UM, AND CONSENTS TO THESE STIPULATIONS. HOWEVER, FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND THEN STIPULATION, UH, SIX IS A STANDARD STIPULATION, UH, REGARDING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND WHERE THAT IS LOCATED. AND STIPULATION SEVEN IS THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN IS SUBMITTED FOR STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL, WHICH IS ALSO A STANDARD STIPULATION. OKAY. SO TO THE APPLICANT, UM, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO CONFORM TO OR FULFILL STIPULATION SIX AND SEVEN? UM, YES. WHAT WAS STIPULATION SEVEN? DETAIL LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW PRIOR, PRIOR TO RETURNING? OH, YES, YES. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD DONE, UM, WITH GETTING THE APPROVAL WAS WE DID HAVE TO, TO DO QUITE A BIT OF WORK WITH, UM, CANOPY CALCULATIONS AND, UM, SHOWING THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND EVEN MORE SO THAT WE WERE GONNA ADD A LOT MORE, UM, CANOPY COVERAGE TO THE, UM, TO THE PROPERTY ONCE COMPLETED, UM, ON OUR OWN, UM, ACCORD, BASICALLY JUST NOT, NOT TRYING TO DO THE BARE MINIMUM, WE WERE GONNA GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. UM, OUTLINED THICKNESS TREES, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST TO KIND OF SHOW, UM, WHAT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ADDED INTO THE PROPERTY. SO YES, THAT'S EASY ENOUGH. OKAY, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, ON STIPULATION FIVE, STAFF HAD SAID, UM, MAKE A PROPOSAL WITH THE ATTACHED GARAGE THAT IS SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE AND IN THE UPDATED PLANS. I DIDN'T SEE THAT. YEAH, SO THE UPDATED PLANS NOW SHOW AN OPEN CARPORT IN THE SPACE WHERE THE ATTACHED GARAGE WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED. UM, IN THIS CONTEXT AREA, THERE IS A PRECEDENT OF FRONT FACING CARPORTS. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. UM, COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT, BUT, UM, IS THERE IN YOU, UH, UH, IS THAT THE NEW ILLUSTRATION? CORRECT? YES. SO THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT AN UPDATED PROPOSAL, UH, ONCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, UM, ON FRIDAY. AND SO THIS IS THAT UPDATED PROPOSAL. AN ADDITIONAL UPDATED PROPOSAL WAS SUBMITTED THIS AFTERNOON THAT MEETS STIPULATION ONE REGARDING THE FOUNDATION [02:45:01] HEIGHTS. UM, SO YOU'RE SEEING THAT HERE ON THE SCREEN. IT'S ALSO IN THE LATE SUBMITTAL FOLDER ON YOUR DESKTOP AS WELL, SO THERE'S NO MORE OF THE SHED ROOFING? CORRECT. SO A STIPULATION ROOFING TWO HAS BEEN MET, HAS BEEN MET, SO THE ROOF FORMS HAVE BEEN GREATLY SIMPLIFIED. SO A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF STILL HAS, WHICH IS, UH, 3, 4, 6, AND SEVEN, ARE YOU, UH, IN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE? OH, YES. UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE MATERIALS, UM, THE MECHANICALS AND LANDSCAPING FOR SURE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND ALSO DETAILS ON THE WINDOW MATERIALS AND DETAILS. CORRECT. NOW, I WILL SAY THAT ON THESE ONES, UM, WE WERE PROPOSING A BLACK VINYL. I KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP IN THIS, UM, IN, IN THIS MEETING. UM, SO JUST, JUST FOR THE ENERGY EFFICIENT, UM, UH, PURPOSE OF THIS. AND I DO HAVE, UM, THE, THE OWNER HERE WHO'S, UH, VERY EDUCATED WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENT OF A HOME, UH, MR. RUDY GARZA. SO RUDY, UM, THE PANEL? YES, I, I WAS, UH, READING LAST NIGHT ABOUT THE WINDOWS AND UH, LIKE I GONNA DO A HIGH SEA, UH, EQUIPMENT. I GONNA DO A 17 SEA, UH, INVERTED COMPRESSOR, THE AC AND IT, THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE PUMPED. I WAS READING AND THEY SAID, UH, UH, THE WOOD IS LESS EFFICIENT TO RETAIN THE HEAT AND TO MAINTAIN, I WAS READING LAST NIGHT ONLY SO, SO IN THAT, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE SINCE, UH, GIVEN THE, THE, UM, THE CONFORMING, UM, TO, TO A STOP ORDER IT, UH, ALSO, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING THAT THESE PLANS NEED TO BE CHANGED, GOING BACK TO, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, UH, ITEMS THAT WE'VE DONE, IF THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF LENIENCY ON BEING ABLE TO USE, UM, UH, A NON-WHITE AGAIN GOING BLACK, UM, A VINYL, UH, UH, VINYL ALUMINUM YES. WINDOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, THAT, UM, IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE WEEKEND, YES. UH, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I I'M, I DON'T WANT TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A STICKLER OR, OR, OR STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB I GUESS. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE GOT THIS, UH, HANDED TO US, I WANNA SAY MAYBE 20 DAYS AGO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR WORLD WAS SPINNING AND SO I THINK WE, WE, WE, IF WE CAN MAYBE JUST ASK FOR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, IT WOULD BE, UM, IT'D BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. OKAY. THE, UM, STANDARD STIPULATIONS ARE VERY, UM, CLEAR ON DIMENSIONAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS, UH, RECESSED INTO THE WALL PLANE THAT OFFSETS BETWEEN THE UPPER AND LOWER SASH. UH, AND, UH, DEFINITELY NOT A WHITE COLOR. UH, THE MATERIAL, UM, ISN'T THAT CRITICAL? IT'S MORE THE PROFILES IN DETAILING OF THE WINDOWS, EXCUSE ME. EXACTLY. AND WE WILL MEET THOSE THAT WE ARE MORE AWARE, MORE THAN AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. SO IF THE, YOUR WINDOW PROPOSAL WOULD MEET THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS MM-HMM. , UH, OF THE, UH, STIPULATION, THEN, UH, WE COULD CONSIDER THOSE. THANK YOU. AND, UH, AGAIN, WE DID LOOK, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WALL SPACE SPANNING MORE THAN 40 FEET WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF A WINDOW OR, OR AN OPENING. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? LOOKING REALLY QUICK AT THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION, THERE'S ONLY ONE WINDOW, NO OTHER PLANNED FENESTRATION. THERE IS THE WINDOW THAT DOES, UM, DOES GO INTO A BATHROOM, UM, MM-HMM. FOR, FOR THAT ONE. YES, SIR. AND LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THIS IN HERE. THAT ONE WOULD BE WHERE A BATHROOM'S AT. OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN, WE'VE GOT A BEDROOM, UM, WHERE FOR THE MOST PART, UM, THAT ONE IS BEDROOM WITH TWO WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, FACING THE FRONT STREET, UM, RIGHT ABOVE THAT BEDROOM THREE, YOU DO HAVE A CLOSET, THEN YOU DO HAVE A TUB, SHOWER, OR I'M SORRY, TILE SHOWER. THAT SHOWER IS WHERE THAT WINDOW WILL BE. THEN YOU HAVE A PANTRY, THEN YOU HAVE A WALL OF UTILITIES, UM, YOUR, YOUR, UM, REFRIGERATOR, YOUR STOVE, YOUR OVEN, UM, [02:50:01] AND THEN YOU GO INTO A FAMILY ROOM. OKAY. GREAT. UH, RACHEL, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL UP GOOGLE EARTH TO SEE WHAT IS, I GUESS YOU WOULD SEE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT, ON THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION? CERTAINLY SIDE, JUST A MOMENT. I COULD PULL THAT UP. YEAH. AND IN THE RIGHT SIDE, JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, UM, WOULD BE FACING A DRIVEWAY IN A, IN A DETACHED GARAGE. SO IN A FAMILY ROOM, UH, WITH PROPOSING WINDOWS, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT SOMEBODY'S, UH, GARAGE. BUT YES, PLEASE PULL IT UP. THAT'D BE AWESOME. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET SOME WINDOWS IN THAT, UH, UM, SIDE WALL OF THE FAMILY ROOM? THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT WHITE GARAGE RIGHT THERE. SO IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE IS A, THERE IS A GARAGE THERE AND POSSIBLY SOME ROOM FOR SOME LANDSCAPING. OH, WE ALREADY PROPOSED THE LANDSCAPING. YES, SIR. AND I MEAN, WE DO HAVE THAT ON FILE. SO IF YOU GUYS, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPROVAL PACKAGE, IT DOES SHOW THE DETAIL OF WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO DO FOR THIS PROPERTY. I THINK THIS WAS A LATE, UH, SUBMISSION THAT I'M JUST NOW SEEING. SO WAS THERE LAND LANDSCAPE, UH, PLANNED FOR THIS RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION? SIR, MAYBE YOU COULD PUT MORE WINDOWS AND THEN PUT SOME NICE SCREENING IF YOU DON'T WANNA SEE THE GARAGE. WELL, I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE THREE WINDOWS OFF THE BACK, SO, UM, I MEAN, YEAH, I'M, I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO THAT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AT THE SOME POINT WHERE DO YOU PUT YOUR TV AND, YOU KNOW, AND PUTTING IT ON A MASTER BEDROOM WALL, WE'VE ALL, UH, HAD A KID OR TWO WATCHING A NICE, UH, ACTION PACK MOVIE SHAKING THE WALL. SO THAT'S WHY WE, WHY WE, WE ADDED ULTRA AMOUNT OF, UH, UM, NATURAL LIGHT COMING OFF THE REAR SIDE OF IT. OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SAVINA? OH SURE. WHY NOT? UM, , IT'S SIX AT SIX O'CLOCK. WHY NOT? THIS IS TRICKY. THIS IS REALLY TRICKY. SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAWINGS IN THE LATE SUBMITTAL, BUT ALSO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS TO DOCUMENT THE PRIORITIES. AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UH, AMEND NUMBER FOUR. THAT WINDOW MATERIALITY IS, UM, IS THE OWNER'S CHOICE AS LONG AS THE OTHER PARTS OF THE STANDARD WINDOW STANDARD ARE COMPLIED WITH. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD A STIPULATION OF NUMBER EIGHT TO INCREASE FENESTRATION ON THE NORTH SIDE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION? YES, ON THE RIGHT SIDE TO INCREASE, UH, FENESTRATION AND WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT. INCREASE FENESTRATION ON THAT SIDE. SECOND. OKAY, JUST A CLARIFICATION, UH, STIPULATION FOUR. DOES STATE AN ALTERNATIVE WINDOW MATERIAL MAY BE PROPOSED, PROVIDED THE WINDOW FEATURES, MEETING, UH, FEATURES, MEETING RAILS THAT ARE NO TALLER AND GIVES THE DIMENSIONS CORRECT. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GUEVARA? AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FITZER? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU GUYS. AGENDA ITEMS 10, 11, AND 12 WERE POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT'S. AND, UH, AGENDA ITEM 13, 1 34 DELAWARE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13 1 34 DELAWARE, I, I'M SORRY, H D R C CASE 2023 DASH 360 9 1 34 DELAWARE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL ONE INSTALL FRONT YARD FENCE MEASURING THREE AND A HALF FEET TALL, TWO INSTALL WOODEN PORCH [02:55:01] RAILS AND HANDRAILS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF A FRONT YARD FENCE BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. ADDITIONALLY, THE FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED TO MEET DEVELOPMENT STANDARD OUTLINED IN U D C SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14. UM, STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, THAT FENCE POSTS AND FRAME BE CONSTRUCTED OUT OF WOOD STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF WOODEN PORCH RAILINGS AND HAND RAILINGS BASED ON FINDING Z. THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, CONSENTED TO ITEM ONE AND TWO WITH STIPULATION NUMBER ONE. SO WE'RE JUST HERE ESSENTIALLY TO DISCUSS THE STIPULATION FOR NUMBER, UM, NUMBER ONE, STIPULATION TWO, THAT THE FENCE POSTS AND FRAME BE CONSTRUCTED OUT OF WOOD. AND THE APPLICANT, TOM GLASS IS HERE WITH ALLISON AND THE HOMEOWNER. MICHELLE ZINA. OKAY, THERE WE GO. HI, BOARD. I'M, I'M TOM GLASS, I'M THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND, UH, MICHELLE ZENA, UH, IS THE HOMEOWNER. AND SO JUST A LITTLE BIT, BIT OF BACKGROUND. WE, UM, WE'VE BEEN BUILDING HOMES IN CASTROVILLE AND SO I DECIDED I WE'RE ACTUALLY OUTTA DRIPPING SPRINGS. AND SO WE, ANYHOW, WE CAME DOWN TO SAN ANTONIO, WE STARTED MARKETING IN SAN ANTONIO, AND MR. ZENA CONTACTED US ABOUT REMODELING OUR HOME. SO WE WENT TO OUR HOME AND GOT THE SCOPE OF WORK. ANYHOW, WE STARTED BUILDING THE FENCE AND FOUND OUT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BUILDING A FENCE, SO WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, MRS. ANA DIDN'T REALIZE, DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO ANYHOW, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE FENCE. AND SO WE'VE GOT, UH, THE METAL FENCE, WHICH ACTUALLY WE, UH, WE, WHEN WE WENT TO THE CITY, WE LOOKED AT THE PERMIT ON, ON FENCING AND WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT FENCING. AND SO ANYHOW, WE WENT TO, WE SAW THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR AND MRS. ANA JUST SAID SHE WANTED TO BUILD THIS FENCE JUST LIKE THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS IN COMPLIANCE EITHER, BUT, SO ANYHOW, UM, WE KNOW THAT YOU GUYS WANT THIS BUILT OUT OF WOOD, I BELIEVE. AND WHAT I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE HERE TO YOU GUYS, IS THAT SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE BUILT THE METAL PART HERE, I WAS WONDERING IF WE'VE GOT THIS AT 42 INCHES HIGH, WE COULD PUT A BOTTOM RAIL AND PUT THE BOTTOM RAIL, UM, AT FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND. AND, AND A METAL IS TWO BY TWO, UH, A RED IRON, WHICH IS MATCHES THE NEXT DOOR. AND THEN WE COULD ATTACH WOODEN PICKETS TO THIS AND WE COULD GO ABOUT FIVE INCHES HIGHER, UH, TO GET A, A LOOK OF, OF A WOODEN FENCE THAT WOULD COMPLY, I THINK AS FAR AS THE LOOK. AND WE WOULD HAVE PICKETS JUST, UH, JUST, UH, NOT DOG EAR PICKETS, BUT JUST, UH, PICKETS THAT COME TO A POINT. I'VE GOT A PICTURE, I DON'T KNOW ALLISON, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANNA LOOK AT THE PICTURE, BUT THEN WE WOULD PAINT THE WHOLE THING WHITE INSTEAD AND WE WERE HOPING MAYBE WE COULD COMPLY WITHOUT HAVING TO REMOVE THE METAL FENCE. AND, UH, IT WOULD COST MISS ZENA MORE MONEY TO REMOVE ALL THE METAL AND, AND PUT THE, PUT THE WOODEN POST IN THERE. AND THEN ON THE, UM, DO WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE HANDRAILS NOW, OR? OH YEAH, SURE. SO ON THE HANDRAILS, WE JUST PLAN ON PUTTING WOODEN HANDRAILS, UH, LIKE THE, WITH, WITH, UH, SQUARE BALLISTERS, TWO BY TWO BALLISTERS, UH, AND ALL WOOD AND FOUR BY FOUR, UH, POST, UH, IN BETWEEN, IN BETWEEN THE, UH, THE BALLISTERS AND THE RAILS. AND WE HAVE A PICTURE. OH YEAH. SO THERE'S THE PICTURE OF BASICALLY THE PROPOSED FENCE. AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD JUST ATTACH THESE WOODEN PICKETS TO THE METAL, EXISTING METAL THAT WE HAVE WITH, UM, WOOD TO METAL SCREWS. AND THEN YOU HAVE A PICTURE ALSO OF THE RAILS, RIGHT CLAUDIA ON THE, WHAT WE PULLED OFF OF LOWE'S. I THINK YOU ALREADY SAW THAT. RIGHT. [03:00:01] SO THAT'S BASICALLY IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS OR NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO, UM, SIR, IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE, UM, PROPOSING LEAVING THE, THE METAL RAIL LENGTHS ARE ALREADY UP, REPLACING THEM, UM, WELL COVERING THEM BASICALLY WITH WOOD, UM, TO ABOVE THE POINT WHERE THE METAL WOULDN'T SHOW ANYMORE THAN PAINTING THEM COMPLETELY WIDE? YEAH, PAINTING THEM WIDE, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE THE SAME LOOK, BUT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A BETTER FENCE THAN, THAN WOODEN POSTS BECAUSE THESE ARE METAL AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUT IN CONCRETE ALREADY AND SO THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE STRONGER AND, AND LAST LONGER THAN, THAN YOUR WOODEN POST. SO YOU'RE PROPOSING, UM, DOING THE WOOD ON THE, UM, ON THE FRONT SIDE, FRONT FACING SIDE AND ALSO ON THE BACK FACING SIDE OR JUST ON ONE SIDE? I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST, UH, PROPOSING TO PUT IT ON THE FRONT SIDE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER CINO, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. QUESTION REGARDING YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FENCE. OKAY. UM, YOUR PROPOSED FENCE, HOW DOES IT ALIGN WITH THE TOP OF THEIR FENCE? IS IT HIGHER? IS IT LOWER? IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AS THERE, THERE'S THEIRS IS, UH, 42 INCHES AND I WENT OFF OF THAT HEIGHT THAT I WENT WITH OURS AT 42. OKAY. AND A QUESTION FOR STAFF IS THE NEIGHBORING FENCE, WAS THAT, UM, DID THAT RECEIVE A C O A? SO THAT FENCE HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE I THINK 2007, I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW FAR GOOGLE IMAGES LET US GO BACK. OKAY. SO IT'S BEEN INSTALLED FOR QUITE A WHILE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. UM, FOR THE HOMEOWNER, MA'AM, HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAD THAT HOME? UM, SINCE OCTOBER OF 22. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. UM, HOW MANY POSTS ARE THERE ALREADY METAL POSTS INSTALLED? I, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10. I WAS GONNA ASK IF THEY COULD BE CLAD AND WOOD. TWO SIDES, BUT 10 IS A NUMBER. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE FRONT. OKAY. SO, UM, WHEN YOU SAY CLAD AND WOOD, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE POSTS THEMSELVES? I GET CORRECT? YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE DOABLE. IT WOULD BE A, A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, WHEN YOU SAY CLAD AND WOOD, IF WE PUT WOOD ON THE FRONT AND THE, AND THE BACK, THAT WOULDN'T BE TOO DIFFICULT. BUT THEN WHEN WE START ADDING TO THE SIDES, OF COURSE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT OUT FOR THE HORIZONTAL RAILS AT THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM. SO IT'D BE A LITTLE MORE LABOR INTENSE THAN, THAN JUST, UM, PUTTING IT ONE ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK. BUT I DON'T THINK JUST PUTTING ONE ON THE FRONT AND BACK WOULD LOOK GOOD. AND I, I DON'T THINK I WOULD WANT MY NAME ON THAT ANYHOW, SO, NO, I WAS THINKING OF TWO, ESSENTIALLY TWO CORNERS. SO YOU HAVE FOUR SIDES MM-HMM. . YEAH. BUT, BUT I DO SEE YES, CUT OUT, RIGHT? YES, SIR. YEAH. I MEAN, IT COULD BE DONE. YES, SIR. CLAUDIA, WHAT'S THE, THE HEIGHT LIMITATION FOR FRONT YARD FENCING AND IN THIS DISTRICT FOR THE FRONT YARD FENCE, IT'S A STANDARD OF A MAXIMUM OF FOUR FEET AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR A THREE AND A HALF, SO IT'S FINE. YEAH. THANK YOU. JUST TO NOTE, LOOKING AT GOOGLE EARTH, THERE IS A WHITE PAINTED FENCE AT THE OTHER END OF THE BLOCK. IT APPEARS TO BE METAL, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER METAL PICKET FENCE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK. BUT THOSE PROBABLY PREDATE THE, UH, POSSIBLY PREDATE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, QUESTIONS? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. WHAT IS THE SPACING BETWEEN THE, UH, POSTS OF THE FENCE? I THINK THEY'RE APPROXIMATELY NINE FEET, MAYBE EIGHT. OKAY. UM, IF SOMEBODY CAN DO THE CALCULATION THERE, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT 40, ABOUT 42 FOOT [03:05:01] FOOT ACROSS THE FRONT. MM-HMM. , AND THEN WE'VE GOT, BUT WE'VE GOT TWO BECAUSE OF THE GATE. WE'VE GOT A FOUR FOOT GATE THERE AT THE SIDEWALK. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE GOT EXACTLY ACROSS THE FRONT. THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6 ACROSS THE FRONT. BUT LET'S SEE, THAT ONE AREA RIGHT THERE IS 15 FEET ACROSS ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SO 15, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF TO THAT POST. MM-HMM. . AND THEN, SO WE'VE GOT A TOTAL OF 42 FOOT ACROSS, I THINK FROM THE, FROM, UH, POST TO POST FAR END, A FAR END. SO THAT MEANS 15 MINUS FOUR, I MEAN 15 FOUR, THAT'S 19. 19. WE'VE GOT ABOUT 20, 22 MORE FEET, 22 FEET DIVIDED BY 1, 2, 3 IS SEVEN. SO THEY'RE ABOUT SEVEN FOOT ACROSS A PIECE. OKAY. APART. OKAY. AND YOUR INFILL IS THE TWO BY FOUR WELDED WIRE MESH, CORRECT? YES. THEY'RE TWO BY TWO ARE, THEY'RE TWO BY TWO. AND WE WERE GONNA PUT THE WIRE MESH TWO BY TWO WIRE MESH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE, THE LADY NEXT DOOR OR THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR WAS. NOW WE ARE PROPOSING BECAUSE OF THE WOOD, WE'RE PROPOSING NOT DOING THE WIRE MESH AND JUST PUTTING THE, THE WOODEN PICKETS. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. INSTEAD, YES. OKAY. OKAY, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, WHICH, UH, CAN YOU TELL US THE ADDRESS OF THE, THE FENCE YOU'RE, YOU WERE MENTIONING ON DELAWARE THAT WAS WHITE, SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING ON THEM TO GO OFF OF. IT IS GONNA BE LIKE 1 32 DELAWARE, IF THAT'S ONE 30. IT'S 8 4 1 0 8 DELAWARE. UM, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. FOR STAFF. SO STAFF, AGAIN, GOING DOWN THE GOOGLE EARTH AND SCENE, I I I, I'VE NOT SEEN ANY FENCES ON THAT STREET THAT ARE WOOD. THEY'RE ALL, BUT IT MIGHT PREDATE THE, THE, THE DISTRICT, IT MIGHT PREDATE IT. UM, WHAT DOES STAFF THINK ABOUT THE STIPULATION? IS IT, IF THAT IS A PREDOMINANT FEATURE ON THAT STREET, UH, AND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IS, IS IT CORRECT TO REQUIRE WOOD CLADDING SINCE THAT IS NOT THE PREDOMINANT FEATURE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, WE'RE GONNA BASE, UM, THE MATERIAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE GUIDELINES, WHICH RECOMMEND THAT THE MATERIALS FOLLOW WHAT IS HISTORICALLY FOUND IN THE DISTRICT. SO THE METAL FENCES ARE NOT HISTORIC. UM, THEY HAVE ARRIVED IN THE PAST 20 YEARS OR SO, UM, POSSIBLY WITHOUT APPROVAL, POSSIBLY BEFORE THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED. UM, AND SO OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WOOD, FOR FENCING MATERIALS HAS BEEN, HAVE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT. RIGHT. WELL, I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS I DON'T SEE ANY WOOD FENCES ON THAT STREET AND FOR TWO BLOCKS EITHER GOING EITHER WAY, UNLESS I, UNLESS I MISSED ONE, BUT I DON'T SEE ONE. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT WE GET TO DO IS WE GET TO REVIEW ALL THESE APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN, AND THEN WE GET TO LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES AND SAY, HOW DOES THIS MATCH UP WITH THE GUIDELINES? SO THE GUIDELINES ALLOW US TO APPROVE SO MUCH WHEN WE CAN'T APPROVE ANYMORE, THAT'S WHEN WE COME HERE AND YOU ALL GET TO DO THAT. I GET, I THINK WHAT I THINK WHAT I GUESS THE ISSUE IS THAT WE KIND OF TEND TO SUPPORT YOUR GUIDELINES AND SUPPORT YOUR DECISION. BUT IN THIS, IN THIS MATTER, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, UH, IT WOULD MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE ON THAT, ON THIS ONE HOUSE, BUT, OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT, AND THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, BUT I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE, UH, FENCE BE, UH, ALLOWED OR APPROVED AS PRESENTED, AND THE HANDRAIL FOR THE PORCH AND THE HANDRAILS BE, UH, ACCORDING TO STAFF STIPULATIONS. THAT'S I'LL SECOND MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION. YEAH. UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DEFINITELY SYMPATHIZE WITH STAFF AND, AND I KNOW WE DON'T LIKE TO TRY AND, AND, AND, AND THUMP STAFF IN THE FOREHEAD WITH, WITH STUFF LIKE THIS, BUT I JUST GOING UP AND DOWN THE HOUSE, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER HOUSES THAT HAVE A WOOD WOOD FENCE. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, I THINK THE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS ENTITLED TO HAVE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS ON THAT BLOCK. UM, AND MAYBE THIS WILL BECOME PART OF THE FABRIC OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS, YOU KNOW, OR THIS STREET. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS? I JUST, UH, MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO AGREE WITH THAT OBSERVATION BY LOOKING UP AND DOWN THE BLOCK. IT, IT REALLY DOES CHANGE THE, UM, UH, ACCEPTABLE MATERIALS ALLOWED. I MEAN, IT'S, UH, PRETTY GLARING THAT NOBODY HAS PUT IN A WOOD FENCE ALONG, ALONG THOSE, UH, BLOCK FACES. SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. CAN I ASK A QUESTION THEN? YES. [03:10:01] SO THEN, UM, I GUESS THIS IS THROW A MONKEY RANCH. WELL, I GUESS I SHOULD ASK MS. ZAINA, UH, IF, IF THERE, IF WE, SHE WOULD RATHER HAVE THE TWO BY FOUR WIRE MESH, WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION NOW? OR WOULD WE RATHER STICK WITH WOOD OR AM I THROWING A KINK IN THIS? NO, THE, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS FOR THE FENCE THAT YOU HAVE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WITH THE MESH. OKAY. WE COULD YEAH. WHAT YOU STARTED TO BUILD. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. I GOTCHA. WITH METAL ME? YEAH, WITH THE METAL MESH. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS ON THAT BLOCK. YEP. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I DID WAS THAT'S WHAT I, WHY I CHOSE IT. 'CAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE HAD IT, SO I JUST THOUGHT, WELL, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS IT. I'LL BE FINE TOO, SO, YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST AS ANOTHER NOTE, AND I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE ON GOOGLE EARTH SO MUCH , BUT, UH, ACROSS THE SIDE STREET, AT LEAST IN GOOGLE EARTH, THERE IS A CEDAR POST FENCE WITH A WIRE MESH INFILL. SO MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SINO? AYE. MOOKA? AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. VASQUEZ, NAYYY CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 14 2 24 WEST MARIPOSA. SURE. WHILE WE WORK ON THE THUMB DRIVE THERE, I HAVE, UH, HARD COPIES. IF ANYONE LIKES TO TAKE NOTES. FEDEX CHARGED $74 FOR THEM. SO , IF YOU WANT TO USE THEM, YOU'D BE GREAT. I'LL JUST SAY ONE AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C CASE 2023 DASH 3 55 2 24 WEST MARIOSA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR WITH A MODERN FIVE LIGHT DOOR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B WITH THE STIPULATION THAT A WOOD TUDOR STYLE DOOR BE INSTALLED. THE WOOD TUTOR STYLE DOOR IS TO BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THE APPLICANT, DEREK ROGERS IS HERE IN PERSON. HELLO EVERYONE. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, YOU PROBABLY SAW ME BACK, BACK HERE. WELL, OH, ONE GENTLEMAN'S STILL HERE WITH ME ON MY PHONE A LOT, UM, ONLY BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVE AN 18 MONTH OLD BABY, SO JUST TALKING TO THE WIFE ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE GOING BACK AT THE HOME FRONT. VERY, VERY INTERESTING. UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. UH, WE'VE SUBMITTED SEVERAL, UM, REQUESTS, UH, CERTIFICATE FOUR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. ALL OF THEM HAVE HAD BEEN APPROVED. UM, WE LOVE THE PROCESS. WE LOVE STICKING WITH WOOD. IT'S, IT'S GOOD STUFF. AND WE LEARNED A REALLY LOT, UM, BASED ON THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST TO COME AND SEE YOU. THIS ONE'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT YOU JUST DID, UH, TWO OF TWO, TWO OR SO THAT YOU'VE DONE TODAY IN THAT IT'S JUST NOT NECESSARILY SUPER CLEAR. UM, UH, SO HERE WE GO. UH, WHAT IS THIS PICTURE? SO, UM, ONE THING THAT WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IS, UH, WAS, UH, H C THORNTON, WHO WAS A BUILDER IN ALMOST PARKED TERRACE. WE WEREN'T SURE IF HE HAD BUILT, UM, OUR HOME. WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE DIDN'T BECAUSE HE'S WELL KNOWN FOR STUCCO BRICK, UH, AND MASONRY. AND, UH, AND SO, UM, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH , WE FOUND THIS PICTURE, UH, WHICH IS, UH, HC STANDING IN FRONT OF A HOME THAT HE WAS BUILDING, WHICH IS, UM, WOOD HOME. SO VERY, VERY INTERESTING, UH, COMPONENT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY. SO, UH, THE NEXT PICTURE SHOWS, UH, THE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE FROM THE STREET. SO I'M GONNA POINT OUT A FEW THINGS TODAY THAT ARE GONNA HELP YOU MAKE A DECISION. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UH, OH, SORRY. ONE OF THE THINGS IS, OH, NOW I'M TOO LOUD. ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY VISIBILITY. SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DRIVE OR WALK BY, AND A LOT, A LOT OF FOLKS ARE WALKING BY, UM, YOU, YOU SEE, UM, AS THE QUOTE UNQUOTE FRONT DOOR OR ENTRY, YOU TEND TO SEE THE ARCH. UH, THIS PARTICULAR ARCH ACTUALLY IS NOT A TUDOR ARCH. IT'S ROUNDED ARCH AT THE TOP. TUDOR ARCHES YOU'LL FIND HAVE THE POINT, BUT REGARDLESS, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS, IS VIEWED AS THE ENTRY FROM FROM FROM THE ROAD. UM, NEXT SLIDE. UH, SOMETHING THAT I WANTED YOU GUYS TO SEE, UM, IS WITH, UH, WITH A MEASURING TAPE OR, OR RULER, UM, IN ORDER TO SEE [03:15:01] THE FRONT DOOR, YOU DO HAVE TO TRAVEL 32.9 FEET INTO THE FRONT YARD AT A CERTAIN ANGLE. AND SO BASICALLY ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE LEFT WHERE THERE'S A LINE OF SHRUBS, UH, ABOUT FIVE FEET FROM, FROM MY NEIGHBOR'S HOME, UM, 32.9 FEET IN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT'S YOUR FIRST FULL VIEW OF, OF THE FRONT DOOR. UM, AND SO THERE ARE A FEW NOTES THERE OF SOMETHING THAT I FOUND, UH, WE FOUND, UH, THE WIFE AND I IN THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. UM, AND OF COURSE, PRINCIPLE NUMBER THREE, UH, STATES THAT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN TREATMENT AND OR REPLACEMENT MAY BE CONSIDERED IN LOCATIONS NOT VISIBLE, NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND IT'S A VERY INTERESTING HOME IN THAT WE DO HAVE THE, THE ARCHWAY, WHICH WE LOVE, WHICH WE WILL COMPLETELY, UM, UM, RECREATE EXACTLY AS IT IS, UM, AS WE ATTEND TOWARDS THE FRONT DOOR. SO, UH, EVOLUTION OF THE HOME FOUND THAT VERY INTERESTING, UH, LISTENING TO TODAY AS WELL, UH, IN 1938. AND BEXAR COUNTY THINKS THAT THE HOME WAS BUILT IN 1940, BUT ACTUALLY THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND CLAUDIA'S HARD WORK, WE ACTUALLY LEARNED THAT NOT ONLY, UH, DOES THE HOME SHOW UP ON THE SANBORN MAP IN 1938, BUT INDICATIONS ARE, IT WAS BUILT 38 OR BEFORE. SO WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE EXACTLY WHEN, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO SOME CORRECTIVE WORK, UH, WITH BEXAR COUNTY. UM, THEN WE SEE THE EVOLUTION. AND SO IN 1955 IT WAS ROUGHLY THE SAME, BUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1955 AND 2023, YOU, WE CAN SEE HOW THE HOME HAS EVOLVED. AND SO, UH, THERE IN RED YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, FOOTPRINT, UH, FROM 1938 AS IT CARRIES THROUGH 1955 AND TO TODAY. AND SO, UM, JUST A QUICK NOTE, AND YOU CAN ALSO GOOGLE MAP THIS, UH, AND SEE THE VIEW, UH, BUT THE PORCH, THE, THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOME, THE, UH, GARAGE, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOME AND THE BACK PORCH, IF YOU WILL, UM, WE'RE ALL ADDED IN THREE DIFFERENT STAGES OF EVOLUTION. IN ADDITION, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOME, THERE IS A COMPLETE ADDITION THAT AT ONE POINT WAS A PORCH, THEN WAS A SUN ROOM , AND IS NOW A ROOM. UM, AND OF COURSE, WE CAN ALSO SEE THAT THE ONCE ONE CAR GARAGE, UH, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF THE HOME, UM, IT IS NOW, UH, EITHER FALLEN DOWN OR, OR BEEN TORN DOWN. SO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M CRITICIZING THE HOME. I'M NOT. WE LOVE IT. UH, JUST WANTED TO SHOW, UH, THE EVOLUTION OF THE HOME SINCE 1938 OR SLIGHTLY BEFORE . THE, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, SOMETHING KIND OF IMPORTANT, UH, THAT I WANTED TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT I POINTED OUT. SO, UM, WITHIN THE FINDINGS, UM, IT, IT MAY READ, UM, AS IF, UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING FRONT DOOR THAT IS HISTORIC, BUT THERE'S NOT THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR. UM, AND I, AND I EVEN HAD THE SKU NUMBER FROM HOME DEPOT LISTED, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS TOO CHEEKY, SO I REMOVED THAT. BUT THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR IS AVAILABLE, UH, TODAY, IT IS A STEEL, UM, THEY'RE CALLED A STEEL, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ALUMINUM, A FRONT DOOR. UM, AND, AND, AND NO OFFENSE TO STANLEY, BUT IT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR, UH, WHERE, WHERE WE'RE HEADED. UM, THERE ARE A FEW, UM, OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE DOOR. THE FIRST IS SAFETY. WE REALLY CAN'T SEE, UH, WE LOVE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO, UH, WITH SOMEBODY KNOCKS ON THE DOOR TO SEE WHO'S OUT THERE. IS IT THE FEDEX GUY? UM, IS IT A, IS IT A STRANGER? UM, PART OF THE PORCH BEING SO, UM, UM, INVISIBLE, IF YOU WILL, FROM THE STREET, 32.9 FEET IN CREATES KIND OF A SAFETY OPPORTUNITY IN THAT SOMEBODY QUESTIONABLE CAN SNEAK UP THERE. AND SO WE LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING MORE, MORE GLASS, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE THROUGH. UM, AND THEN THERE'S JUST PLAIN LIGHTING. UM, THE, THE HOME, IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY AMAZING. SO IT HAD SHEET ROCK THAT WAS ALL TORN UP AND WE REMOVED THE SHEET ROCK. IT TURNS OUT, UM, HOW AM I DOING ON TIME? UM, PERFECT. IT TURNS OUT THERE'S A SHIPLAP BEHIND ALL OF THE SHEET ROCK. ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. AND SO THE SHIPLAP IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL LOOK. IT'S GONNA BE WHAT WE SEE. UM, AND IT LOOKS GREAT, BUT SHIPLAP IS VERY DARK. UM, AND THEN, OH, , JUST A SIDE NOTE. I WANTED YOU TO, TO KNOW THAT IF YOU DO SEE THAT THERE'S A NEW BOARD ON TOP OF THE TOP TRIM, WE ONLY REPLACE THAT BECAUSE WE'RE, UM, UNDER ANOTHER, UH, APPROVED C O A, WE'RE PAINTING THE HOME. SO, OKAY. UH, NEXT SLIDE IS THE PENDING FRONT DOOR. SO, UM, A FEW FOLKS HAVE SHARED, I THINK YOU CALL 'EM COMPLIANCE SITUATIONS, THAT THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING AND SAID, WHOOPS, WE DID THIS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, SO WE HAVEN'T GONE THAT FAR, BUT WE HAVE BOUGHT THIS DOOR. UM, AND SO MY THOUGHTS WERE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE KNOW WE LOVE THE DOOR, WE'RE GONNA [03:20:01] GET THE DOOR, I GOT THE DOOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FEELING THAT, HEY, IT'S YOU, YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET. IT'S NOT A PART OF THE FACADE. UH, BUT THEN WE DECIDED, HEY, LET'S BE SUPER, SUPER, SUPER THOROUGH AND GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT A C O A FROM THE DOOR FOR THE DOOR. BUT THIS IS THE DOOR THAT WE HAVE. UM, IT IS SOLID WOOD. UM, IT, IT, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE REALLY GOOD VISIBILITY. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, BASICALLY THE FEET, UM, OF, OF, OF SOMEONE WHO IS OUT FRONT. AND IT DOES WOULD ALLOW AMPLE SUNLIGHT, UH, INTO THE INTERIOR. UM, AND I DID GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND, AND STATE, OKAY, IT'S JUST SPEAKING TO THE QUALITY. IT'S A 2020 $200 DOOR. UH, SO IT IS, IT DOES HAVE, UM, IMPRESSIVE, UM, CHARACTERISTICS. THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, IS THE NEIGHBORING HOME'S FRONT DOORS. SO THERE IS A CONVERSATION OF, IS, IS THE HOME A TUDOR STYLE? IS IT A BUNGALOW? UM, BUNGALOW ACTUALLY HAS A SUBSET THAT IS TUDOR BY THE WAY. UH, LEARNED THAT I WAS BORN IN LONDON, ENGLAND, SO ALL THE RESEARCH, UH, BACK TO TO TO, TO GREAT BRITAIN IS VERY INTERESTING TO ME. BUT, UH, WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT THERE ARE, UH, A NUMBER OF HOMES IN THE AREA, BOTH ALMOST PARK TERRACE. UM, AND THEN I THINK HIGHLAND PARK HAS A COUPLE OF, OF TWINSIES, UM, THAT HAVE DOORS THAT RESEMBLE THE FIVE LIGHTS. SO THERE'S, ON MARIPOSA AT THE END OF THE STREET, HIGHLY VISIBLE IS A FOUR LIGHT DOOR. UM, THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE STYLE THAT WE, THAT WE PROPOSE. UM, ON TWO 80 MARIPOSA, THERE'S A THREE LIGHT DOOR. UM, AND THEN ON 1422 WEST LINWOOD AVENUE IS SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY MAY BRING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GUIDELINES. UM, AND THAT IS, UH, A SCREEN DOOR. NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF SCREEN DOORS THAT ARE PERMANENTLY AFFIXED OVER WHAT COULD BE OR MAY NOT BE HISTORIC DOORS. AND SOMETHING THAT THE GUIDELINES DON'T NECESSARILY SPEAK TO IS A SCREEN DOOR. AND SO AN OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES MAY BE TO SAY ANY PERMANENT DOOR COVERING SOME SOMETHING OF THE SORT. UH, BUT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF, SOME OF THE OTHER DOORS THAT ARE OUT THERE. UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS A GUIDE TO, TO THE HISTORIC RESOURCES AND THE GUIDE ITSELF, UH, A FEW THINGS WERE POINTED OUT AND THERE'S, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE OF THE TWO DOOR STYLE RE BUNGALOWS, UM, THAT HAVE WHAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, A A THREE LIGHT QUOTE UNQUOTE, UH, SCREEN DOOR. AND OH, TWO MINUTES LEFT. WOW. WENT A LITTLE FASTER THAN I EXPECTED. UM, . AND SO THAT'S, UH, THERE'S, UH, THAT'S THE, THE END OF OF MY PRESENTATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO. OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. COMMISSIONER SINO? UH, YES. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTION, THE PHOTO YOU SHOWED OF THE PURCHASED DOOR? YES. YES, MA'AM. UM, IS THAT INCLUDES A SIDE LIGHT. IT DOES HAVE A SIDE LIGHT THAT THAT MANUFACTURER DOES HAVE DOORS THAT DON'T HAVE SIDE LIGHTS, BUT, BUT OUR THOUGHTS WERE, UM, TO SO YOU, YOU, WELL, BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS INVISIBLE FROM THE STREET MM-HMM. , BUT THE MORE LIGHT, THE BETTER WERE OUR THOUGHTS. OKAY. UM, MIGHT YOU BE OPEN OR AMENABLE TO JUST INSTALLING, HAVING THE NEW DOOR AND NOT ALTERING THE ORIGINAL FRAMING TO INCLUDE THAT SIDE LIGHT? MAYBE USE THE SIDE LIGHT IN A DIFFERENT PLACE IN THE HOUSE? UM, YEAH, I, I THINK SO. UM, YEAH, I'D HAVE TO BRAINSTORM ON HOW TO APPLY. I, I DO JUST AN OBSERVATION BECAUSE I LOVE YOUR QUESTION. YOU'VE HAD VERY GOOD QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THE, THE, THE EVENING, BY THE WAY. UM, IT, WE WOULD NEED TO GET ANOTHER DOOR BECAUSE YOU, WE CAN'T, YOU, YOU'RE, THE WAY THAT THEY BUILD THEM, YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY REMOVE THE SIDELIGHT. UM, BUT I LO I LOVE YOUR IDEA. SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU WILL NEED TO, UH, REFRAME, WE, WE WOULD REFRAME THAT ENTRYWAY. YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE EXISTING ROUGH OPENING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, WELL, UM, I'M JUST CLARIFYING THAT IF IF WE WERE TO GO WITH A DOOR THAT DIDN'T HAVE A SIDELIGHT UHHUH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LITERALLY NEED TO PURCHASE A, A COMPLETE ANOTHER DOOR. THE WAY THAT THEY BUILD THE DOORFRAMES, UM, THE, THE, THE SIDELIGHT, THE FRAME ITSELF IS BUILT TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THE DOOR AND THE SIDELIGHT, CORRECT? YEAH. CORRECT. SO, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT, YOU BE AMENABLE TO USING JUST THE DOOR PANEL. OH, I HEAR YOU. BUILDING THE FRAME, ACTUALLY BUILDING ANOTHER FRAME. MM-HMM. , I HEAR YOU. THANK SO THAT YOU CAN RETAIN THE ORIGINAL ROUGH OPENING. I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. UM, IT'S A THOUGHT. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. IT'S DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY A POSSIBILITY. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, , HE KNOWS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE GOOD QUESTIONS. WELL, I'M TRYING [03:25:01] TO WORD THIS NICELY PLEASE. UM, SO THE, THE DOOR YOU PROPOSED IS, IT JUST DOESN'T GO WITH THE STYLE OF THE HOME. UM, I KNOW YOU WANT THE BEST FOR YOUR HOUSE AND WE DO, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THE SAFETY OF YOUR FAMILY AS WELL, BUT I'D ARGUE THAT THAT DOOR IS NOT EVEN SAFE THAN WHAT YOU, THAT CHEAP ONE YOU'VE GOT HANGING RIGHT NOW. UM, THE GLASS CAN BE EASILY BROKEN FROM EITHER THE SIDELIGHTS OR FROM THE FRONT OF THE DOOR AND EASILY BE BROKEN INTO. UM, AND I'D GO WITH STACK STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, UM, FINDING A TUTOR STYLE DRAWER THAT GOES WITH THE STYLE OF THE HOME, UM, AND SEEKING THEIR APPROVAL BEFORE. HMM. DO SO DO I COMMENT ON, ON THAT? OR, SORRY, THAT WASN'T REALLY A QUESTION, BUT MORE OF A COMMENT, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES IS, DID YOU BUY THE DOOR ALREADY? IF WE DID, WE DID, BUT YEAH, BUT I'M, YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M SHARING WITH YOU RIGHT UP FRONT, RIGHT THAT WE DID. I GUESS I'M INCLINED, OH, LET'S GET A MOTION AND THEN I'LL MAKE MY COMMENTS. WE CAN GET A MOTION. COMMISSIONER SAVINO FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION, UM, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UM, THE DOOR REPLACEMENT WITH THE DOOR, UM, DOOR DESIGN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED LIMITED TO THE ROUGH, THE EXISTING ROUGH OPENING. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. DISCUSSION. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I DO WANNA SAY THAT, UM, THERE, I, I RARELY, RARELY, RARELY JUSTIFY SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT. AND I'M STILL NOT SURE WHERE I AM ON THAT BECAUSE IT IS, IF, IF WE USE THAT SORT OF RULE OF THUMB FOR EVERYTHING, MANY THINGS, THEN, YOU KNOW, UM, THE INTEGRITY OF THAT HISTORIC HOUSE CAN SUFFER BECAUSE WE'RE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE IT, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT, WANT, IT BECOMES MERELY FACADES, HISTORIC FACADES, UH, ON THE FRONT. SO, UM, I MAKE THAT MOTION CAUTIOUSLY. UM, AND AT THE VERY LEAST I WOULD, I WOULD WANNA SEE THE HOUSE RETAIN THE ORIGINAL ROUGH OPENING FOR THE ENTRYWAY. I RESPECT THAT. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I CRAFTED IT THAT WAY. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT, IT'S JUST FOR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO. IT'S JUST, I'M HESITANT ON THAT DOOR THAT YOU GOT. UH, DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA WIDEN THE, THE ARCH. YOU DON'T WANNA WIDEN THE DOOR. YOU DON'T WANNA PUT THAT SIDE LIGHT. I MEAN THAT'S, THAT WOULD JUST, YOU'D HAVE TO ALTER THE ARCHWAY AND THAT'S FOR ME, THAT'S, THAT'S A NO-GO. UM, THE ONLY REASON THAT I'M SECONDING IT IS BECAUSE, WELL, A DOOR CAN BE UNDONE RELATIVELY EASY. I DON'T THINK THAT DOOR YOU HAVE MATCHES THE REST OF THE HOUSE. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TWO DOOR DOORS AVAILABLE AVAILABLE THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE QUARTERS OF IT, UH, UH, COVERED IN GLASS SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GET FROSTED GLASS, CLEAR GLASS, BEVELED GLASS, ALL KIND, AND STILL KEEP THAT TUDOR STYLE. YEAH, YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT WITH A TUDOR DOOR. THE CRUX HERE IS YOU ALREADY GOT THAT DOOR RIGHT. AND WHAT DID IT COST? UM, 2158. 2158. YOU CAN'T TAKE IT BACK. NO, SIR. YEAH, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT. I MEAN, AGAIN, I, I, I SECOND IT BECAUSE IT, IT CAN BE UNDONE RELATIVELY EASY, BUT I, I I DON'T REALLY THINK IT MATCHES. YES. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID THAT UM, THE EXISTING ROUGH OPENING FOR THE TO THE HOUSE IS PARAMOUNT. UM, SO DEFINITELY NOT THE SIDELIGHT AND UH, LIKE COMMISSIONER SANTE SAID IT COULD BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE AND THE FACT THAT IT IS SORT OF TUCKED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE. OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ? [03:30:01] IT'S JUST, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S TUCKED AWAY, IT'S NEVER AN EXCUSE. THAT'S IT. . SO I'LL BE VOTING NOW. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS NAYYY CASTILLO. AYE. SINO? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. VAZQUEZ NAY CERVANTES? YES. AND ZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 15 3 26. MISSION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15 H G R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 3 8 3 26 MISSION STREET. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. TWO ONE, REMOVE THE EXISTING FRONT CONCRETE WALKWAY AND REPLACE REPLACE WITH RED BRICK TWO. INSTALL FLARED BRICK DESIGN WHERE THE FRONT WALKWAY MEETS THE HOUSE. THREE. INSTALL FOUR STONE PAVERS BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND WALKWAY. FOUR. INSTALL A SIX FEET TALL WHITE WROUGHT IRON FENCE AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WITH RED BRICK DETAILING AT THE BOTTOM FIVE. INSTALL A SIX FEET TALL, WHITE WROUGHT IRON PEDESTRIAN GATE AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY OVER THE WALKWAY. SIX. INSTALL A SIX FEET TALL, WHITE WROUGHT IRON VEHICLE GATE AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY OVER THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE EXISTING CONCRETE PUBLIC SIDEWALK BE RETAINED IN. REPLACED IN KIND TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN EXAMPLE OF THE PROPOSED PAVERS TO STAFF FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THREE, THAT THE FRONT YARD FENCE AND PEDESTRIAN GATE BE BLACK IN COLOR. FOUR, THAT THE FRONT YARD FENCE AND GATE NOT EXCEED FOUR FEED AND HEIGHT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX. BASED ON FINDINGS, A AND F STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT NOT INSTALL A VEHICLE GATE DUE TO THE LOT'S CONSTRICTIONS. THE PROPERTY OWNER, STANLEY MARCUS IS HERE IN PERSON. THERE'S ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSION REVIEW. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE LETTER WAS SENT FOR THE H D R C HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, AND THE REQUEST HAS SLIGHTLY CHANGED SINCE THEN. STANLEY MARCUS. AND WE ARE THE, EXCUSE ME SECOND, COULD YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT? SURE. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS STANLEY MARCUS AND WE ARE NEW RESIDENCE AT 3 26 MISSION STREET. I WE APPARENTLY THE FIRST FOUR OR FIVE, FOUR ITEMS ARE FIVE WE'RE ACCEPTED. THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE FENCE AND WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP AND TAKE A FOUR FOOT FENCE INSTEAD OF A SIX. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WHITE FENCE, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME LIGHT COLORED FENCES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL GO TO BLACK, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE ELECTRIC GATE OVER THE DRIVEWAY FOR SECURITY TO STOP VANDALISM AND OR THEFT. AND THERE I HAVE PICTURES OF SIX OR EIGHT HOUSES WITHIN MY BLOCK, THE NEXT BLOCK AND THE BLOCK BEHIND ME WHERE THERE ARE BLACK FOUR FOOT WR IRON FENCES WITH ELECTRIC GATES THAT ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WE PLAN ON USING. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THAT HOUSE IS BEHIND US. IT HAS A RED BRICK WALKWAY AND THE FENCE AND GATE THAT'S IN THE NEXT BLOCK OR THE BLOCK BEHIND. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH IS WHICH. THAT'S ON CEDAR STREET. I THINK THE 100 BLOCK. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES MA'AM. UM, I AM TRYING [03:35:01] TO UNDERSTAND THE DRAWING. UH, LET'S SEE. THIS IS THE, UH, PLATE NUMBER 12 IN THE P D F FILE. AND I'M LOOKING AT NUMBER TWO, THE SMALL FLOWER BED ALONG THE SIDE OF THE GRASS IS MARKED WITH A BROWN LINE. SO THAT IS A, IS THAT A, A DIRT BUFFER THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE PLANTING THINGS SOMETHING OTHER THAN IT'S PLANTED? IT IS. OKAY. SO IT'S WHAT IS EXISTING? UM MM-HMM. AND ON THE BROWN SECTION THERE, IT'S ALL ANA AND BLACK MULCH. OKAY. THE GREEN, WE'VE COMPLETELY SAWED, OBVIOUSLY, AND THE, EXCUSE ME, THE BROWN RUNNING UP ALONG THE, THE SIDEWALK AND ACROSS IN FRONT OF THE PORCH IS PLANTED WITH, UH, SOME KIND OF PLANTS AND FLOWERS. I SEE. THE APPLICANT DID RECEIVE, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR SOME LANDSCAPE, UM, MODIFICATIONS, UM, ALL OF WHICH FIT GUIDELINES AND IT'S ALL NATURAL PLANTING. SO, UM, NO, UH, ROCKS OVER TWO INCHES, A NATURAL IN COLOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. YOU'RE, YOU'RE WILLING TO, UH, TO AGREE TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT, THAT ARE MENTIONED THERE? YES SIR. THE FOUR FEET AND HEIGHT, THE BLACK COLOR, THE FENCE, AND THE FOUR FOOT FENCE, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. AND THEN TO BRING THE, THE EXAMPLE OF THE, THE PAVER FOR, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, THEY SEEN THE PAVER. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO, UH, TO MAKE A MOTION. SO , I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, MR. MARCUS, DOES YOUR DRIVEWAY GO, UH, TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? NO, IT GOES, WELL, IT GOES FROM THE STREET, OF COURSE, UH, BACK PROBABLY A HUNDRED ODD FEET, ENOUGH ROOM TO GET TWO CARS. OKAY. IF I CAN MAKE IT WIDER AT SOME POINT. 'CAUSE I CAN'T, MY NEIGHBOR'S SENSE IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSE TO MY HOUSE AND GETTING ONE OF MY CARS IN IS DIFFICULT. OKAY. DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A, UH, WOODEN GATE IN FRONT OF YOUR CAR HERE? I HAVE A WOODEN GATE OFF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT WOULD SEPARATE THE PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE CAR. MM-HMM. AND THAT YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH AND PUT ANOTHER CAR IN THE BACK. OKAY. WELL TYPICALLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO NOT HAVE GATES ACROSS THE DRIVEWAYS OUT AT THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK THAT, UM, FENCING IN THE FRONT SHOULD BE FOUR FEET, NO TALLER THAN FOUR FEET AND TURN BACK ALONG THE SI THE DRIVEWAY TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE. IT WILL, BECAUSE THAT ALSO KEEPS MY LITTLE DOGS IN. OKAY. SO THE FACT THAT, IS THERE ROOM BEHIND THE EXISTING WOODFIN WOODGATE TO PUT BOTH CARS? NO, SIR. AND ONE OF THE CARS IS TOO BIG TO GET THROUGH THE WOODGATE ANYWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES. UH, AS THE FENCE, UM, PER THE GUIDELINES, IF THE FENCE RETURNS BACK TO THE HOUSE, DOES THAT MEAN IT IS TYING INTO THE PORCH, THE EDGE OF THE PORCH? HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? OR DOES IT BYPASS THE PORCH AND PARALLEL THE RAILING AND THEN COME TO THE FACE OF THE HOUSE? WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION? RIGHT. WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE THAT IT TIE IN. UM, BUT YEAH, IT WOULD KIND OF TERMINATE BACK TOWARDS THE PORCH AND THEN WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO TURN AGAIN IN ORDER TO KIND OF CLOSE IN THE YARD. UM, WE, I DON'T, WE WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A DETAIL FOR HOW THAT'S COMPLETED. UH, CAN MY INC MY INCLINATION BECAUSE OF THE AWKWARDNESS IS TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE [03:40:03] THE, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH ALL OF STAFF'S STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HOPE. I'M NOT MAKING THIS TOO COM COMPLICATED. UH, AND ALSO TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX, LET ME REWORD THAT. TO APPROVE THIS, THE OWNER OR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS AND TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX. THANK YOU. SECOND. AND WE HAVE A SECOND DISCUSSION. OH, JUST I THINK THE, DID WE HAVE A SECOND? YES, YES. JUST THE SECOND, THE AWKWARDNESS OF THE, THE DETAIL OF THE, WHERE THE FENCE TURNS INTO THE PORCH I THINK CAN WARRANT, UM, PROBABLY A MORE ELEGANT SOLUTION. AND AT THE SAME TIME, EXCUSE ME, THERE'LL BE A POST BY THE PORCH AND THE FENCE WILL GO TO THAT POST. IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO TURN IN, IT GOES RIGHT UP THE DRIVEWAY. BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR A GATE ALSO? YES. YES. PART OF THE REQUEST WAS FOR A VEHICLE GATE OUT AT THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK. RIGHT. IT WAS JUST THE NO, I WAS EXPECTING THERE TO BE A RETURN. THERE IS NOT A RETURN AS YOU CUT, THIS IS YOUR HOUSE AND AS YOU'RE GOING INTO YOUR DRIVEWAY, IS THERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE A FENCE SEGMENT? HOPEFULLY YES. 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK I SEE IT ON THE DRAWING. DO WHAT IS, IS IT ON THE DRAWING? UM, THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED? UM, YES MA'AM. IT IS ON THE DRAWING. IT'S A BLUE LINE BRIAN JUST POINTED OUT ON THE SCREEN. SAME DRAWING. EXCUSE ME SIR. FEEL FREE. I I CAN PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. YEAH. OKAY. I'M NOT SEEING THAT. I, LET ME, I WOULD LIKE TO RETRACT MY MOTION. IS THE SECOND AMENABLE TO THE RETRACTION. WELL, I, I, I WANT HIM TO GET HIS FENCE, BUT IF, IF THE, IF THE CRUX IS GONNA BE THE RETURN FENCE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE CRUX IS, I THINK. RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WOULD YOU BE AMICABLE TO NOT HAVING THAT RETURN FENCE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR DRIVEWAY? WELL, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT 'CAUSE IF MY DOGS COME OUT TO THE FRONT, THEY CAN ESCAPE THROUGH THE OTHER SIDE. OH, BUT WOULD YOU HAVE A FENCE ON THE RIGHT SIDE WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR? DOES YOUR NEIGHBOR, WOULD YOU HAVE A FENCE THERE? THERE HE HAS A LITTLE METAL FENCE ABOUT THAT HIGH, BUT THE POST, THE, THE UP INTO THE VERTICAL, UH, METAL PIECES ARE THIS FAR APART. AND I HAVE A 16 POUND EIGHT MONTH OLD DOG THAT'LL WALK RIGHT THROUGH IT. AND I, I'M TOO OLD TO CHASE HIM DOWN THE STREET. OKAY. YEAH. I SEE. SO WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ADD TO THAT AND PUT A FENCE TO, TO TO, TO ACCENTUATE THAT A LITTLE HIGHER SO THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE? WELL, WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE ME PUT THE FENCE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE INSTEAD OF THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT. UH, COMMISSIONER SABINO. IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? UM, I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE FENCE WAS, THERE WAS A DOUBLE FENCE CONDITION, SO. RIGHT. I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, SIR, IS WE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE A FENCE ON THE, ON, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, BUT YOUR NEIGHBOR HAS A LITTLE FENCE. THERE. IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN WORK OUT TO WHERE MAYBE YOU PUT A COLLAR FENCE THAT MEETS, IT'S POSSIBLE YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE HIS, THERE'S A HEDGER, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. MAYBE IT WOULD, YOU WOULD BE PUTTING A BETTER FENCE I THINK. CORRECT. IT WOULD BE, YEAH. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU CAN SWING THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT EASIER. I, I THINK SURE. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION THEN. WELL, I WOULD, TO KEEP IT CLEAR, I WOULD DO YOUR EXACT MOTION. OKAY. EXCEPT I WOULD STIPULATE THAT YOU PUT THE FENCE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR DRIVEWAY SO THAT WHEN YOU GET OUTTA YOUR CAR, YOU DON'T SEE A FENCE THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR DRIVEWAY, BUT YOU STILL HAVE A FENCE GO INTO THE RIGHT. YOU'D HAVE TO WORK WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR ON THAT. RIGHT. THE CONCERN, I'M SORRY TO CLARIFY MR. CERVANTES, SO WE HAVE A MOTION THAT HAS, THE ORIGINAL MOTION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR YOU HAVE NOW IS TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND HAVE THE FENCE ON THE RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ALSO APPROVE [03:45:01] ITEM SIX, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? MM-HMM. THE YES, APPROVE ITEM SIX WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE FENCE BE, UH, NOT AS PRESENTED BUT TO BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS DRIVEWAY. SO HE, WHEN HE HAS PRESENTED RIGHT, HE HAS ONE PRESENTED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF HIS DRIVEWAY. I WOULD APPROVE THAT, THAT NOT BE THERE OR I WOULD MOVE THAT NOT BE THERE, BUT IT, THAT FENCE BE MOVED TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, SIR? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES, SIR. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. SO TO BE CLEAR, DOES THAT INCLUDE HAVING, UH, A FENCE AT THE SIDEWALK AT THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK? YES. OKAY. YES. I THOUGHT THE CONCERN WAS AT THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK, THE DOGS PEDESTRIAN GATE AND THE VEHICULAR GATE. YES. AND ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE OF HIS PROPERTY AND THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF HIS PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. SO THAT'S THE MOTION, CORRECT? YES. SO I'LL RESTATE IT AGAIN. MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT ITEM NUMBER SIX BE APPROVED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT HE PUT A FENCE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS DRIVEWAY THAT MATCHES THE REST OF THE PROPOSAL. AND THAT'S IT. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. I JUST HAVE TO SELL IT TO MY WIFE. SURE, SURE. YEAH, I THINK, UM, MY, MY CONCERN WAS THAT ALSO, UM, IF YOU'VE GOT TWO FENCES ALONGSIDE YOUR NARROW DRIVEWAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HECK OF A TIME GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE CAR FROM BOTH SIDES. WELL, WE WOULD PUT A LITTLE GATE, AN ENTRYWAY ON THE, IF WE DID IT ON THE LEFT, BUT THERE'D BE A LITTLE, AN OPENING IN THAT FENCE WITH A LITTLE SWING GATE SO THAT YOU CAN GET OUT OF THE CAR. OKAY. SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. OKAY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, ALL THE FENCING AND GATES ARE NO TALLER THAN FOUR FEET. YES SIR. AND THEY'LL BE BLACK. OKAY. THANK YOU. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. MOOKA? AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. VAZQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.