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          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC 
          [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order]
AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 4TH, 2023. 
          I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS HERE. 
          CASTILLO. 
          HERE. 
          SAVINO. 
          HERE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? HERE. 
          MAZUA? HERE. 
          GUEVARA? HERE. 
          GROUP. 
          HERE. 
          CERVANTES. 
          HERE. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AND FETZER. 
          HERE. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE TRANSLATIONS AND SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING. 
          IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS COME UP AND PROVIDE THE STATEMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIRS MONICA SINO. 
          IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. 
          IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. 
          IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. 
          CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. 
          EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP. 
          ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKERS CALLED UPON SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. 
          AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          I'M GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO HIGHLIGHT AN UPCOMING EVENT. 
          ACTUALLY, TWO. 
          UM, SO ON OCTOBER 21ST, WE HAVE, UM, OUR HISTORIC RUN CREW SERIES. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A GUIDED WALKING AND RUNNING TOUR OF THE EAST SIDE CEMETERIES, UM, FOR HALLOWEEN, BUT ALSO REALLY TO HIGHLIGHT THE WORK THAT, UM, MY COLLEAGUE HERE, RACHEL TATA, HAS BEEN DOING WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AS PART OF OUR, UM, CEMETERY STEWARDSHIP PROGRAM. 
          AND SO THROUGH THAT PROGRAM, VOLUNTEERS CAN LEARN HOW TO CARE FOR AND MAINTAIN, UM, CEMETERY HEADSTONES, UM, AND WHAT THAT CONSERVATION WORK LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A SERIES OF EVENTS WHERE, UM, UH, UH, PARTICIPANTS CAN RECEIVE THAT TRAINING AND THEN ALSO DO THE ACTUAL HANDS ON CONSERVATION WORK. 
          UM, I KNOW COMMISSIONER SABINO HAS ALSO ATTENDED THOSE, AND I, I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE ENJOYED THEM. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S A, A GREAT, UH, RESOURCE FOR ANYBODY, UM, WHO'S INTERESTED IN PRESERVING OUR CEMETERIES. 
          BUT THEN THE TOUR WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT WORK AND ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE HISTORY OF THE CEMETERIES. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT'S ON OCTOBER 21ST, UM, IN THE MORNING AT 9:00 AM. 
          UM, INFORMATION ON THAT IS@SASPEAKUP.COM. 
          UH, JUST GO TO THAT WEBSITE AND SEARCH HISTORIC, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND IT, UM, THE WEEKEND BEFORE OCTOBER 14TH. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE NEXT UPCOMING, UH, MEETING AS PART OF OUR REGULAR HISTORIC DISTRICTS COALITION SERIES. 
          UM, THAT'LL ALSO BE AT 9:00 AM IN THIS ROOM ON THE 14TH. 
          UM, THAT IS A FREE, UH, PUBLIC INFORMATIONAL MEETING. 
          UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE HIGHLIGHTING THE WORK OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE COMMITTEES, UM, THAT THROUGH NEIGHBOR, THROUGH REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UM, NEIGHBORS CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS, THE HISTORIC, HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS. 
          UM, AND SO WE'LL BE PROVIDING SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A PANEL, UM, OF, OF DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEES FROM DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, AND THAT WILL SPEAK TO HOW THEY LIKE TO PARTICIPATE AND ORGANIZE. 
          AND SO IT'LL BE A GOOD RESOURCE FOR ANYBODY WHO LIKES TO BE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, SO 
          [Approval of Minutes]
WITH THAT, WE CAN, UH, DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 3RD AND SEPTEMBER 20TH. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION CHAIR? I MOVE THAT THE MINUTES FOR, UH, SAID DATE. 
          BE APPROVED. 
          SECOND MOTION. 
          SECOND. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
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GIBBS AYE. 
          CASTILLO. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          GIDA. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NEXT, IF YOU, UH, LOOK AT THE SCREEN, 
          [CONSENT AGENDA
Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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UH, WE HAD EIGHT ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ITEM SIX WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS THE STIPULATIONS. 
          SO THAT LEAVES US WITH SEVEN. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, PROVIDE THE VOICEMAILS THAT WERE LEFT. 
          UH, FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT, UH, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY IN-PERSON SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SO IT'LL JUST BE THE VOICEMAILS. 
          WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER 4, 10 23 NORTH PINE. 
          YES, THIS IS LIZ FRANKLIN. 
          I LIVE AT FIVE 15 HAY STREET, AND I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 3 2 7. 
          SPECIFICALLY THE YELLOW AUSTIN COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          UM, I'LL GET RIGHT TO THE POINT I WAS AT THE MEETINGS. 
          AND AS WITH REFERENCE TO THE DEMOLITION, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK I COULD BE OKAY WITH HIM BECAUSE I'VE WALKED, I WAS PREVIOUSLY THE INTERIM DIRECTOR. 
          I'VE WALKED EVERY PART OF THAT, UH, THAT CAMPUS. 
          HAVING SAID THAT, WHAT IS OF GREAT CONCERN TO ME TODAY IS EVEN WITH THOSE TWO MEETINGS THAT WERE AT LEAST ONE, I KNOW FOR SURE ONE, UM, THAT WAS HELD OVER AT ST. 
          PAUL'S, THE GREATER COMMUNITY WAS INCLUDED, INVITED, AND ENTICED TO GO THERE WITH MANY OF THOSE FOLKS BEING, UM, VOLUNTEERS OR EMPLOYEES OF WEST CARE OR ELLA AUSTIN PROPER FOR THE CHILDCARE SERVICES, WHICH IS FINE, EXCEPT WHAT IT DIDN'T DO WAS SPECIFICALLY INCLUDE THE DIGNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THOSE RESIDENTS. 
          AND THERE WAS NO FURTHER MEETING SET UP TO GET WEIGH IN, BUY IN, OR EVEN INPUT ON WHAT WAS GONNA GO THERE OR NOT GO THERE. 
          AND I, THEREIN LIES THE CHALLENGE. 
          I TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THE NEW, UH, TO OUR PRESIDENT, UH, JUST TO CONFIRM WHAT I'VE SAID. 
          AND I THINK I, I DON'T THINK HE WOULD DENY IT, THAT IT JUST WASN'T DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE RELIED ON THE DISTRICT TWO, UM, MEETING THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDE ALL OF THE DI UH, DIGNITY HILL RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOW ASKING ABOUT IT. 
          THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT IS, IS HE RESIGNED ON MONDAY NIGHT. 
          SO EVEN IF WE WANTED TO GET IT IN THERE OR CONFIRM OR DENY THAT IT'S, IT, IT COULDN'T GET IN THERE BEFORE. 
          SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH THE TRANSITION OF LEADERSHIP TO INCLUDE THE GENERAL MEMBERSHIP IN WHAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN A LONG MAINSTAY IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THAT IS THE ELLA AUSTIN COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          HAVE A GOOD DAY. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THAT CONCERNS CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WHITTY HILL. 
          WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 27, LOCATED AT 10 23 NORTH PINE. 
          WE DO NOT AGREE WITH THE DEMOLITION OF BUILDING FOUR, THE PHYSICAL CULTURE BUILDING. 
          ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION IN THIS APPLICATION, THERE WERE NUMEROUS PUBLIC MEETINGS HELD, BUT THESE MEETINGS WERE LIKELY ATTENDED BY A SELECT FEW WHO DO NOT EVEN LIVE IN DIGNITY HILL. 
          THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS WERE NEVER SHARED WITH THE RESIDENTS OF DIGNITY HILL BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, EITHER BY SOCIAL MEDIA OR ON THE DIGNITY HILL WEBSITE. 
          CONSIDERING THAT THESE NOTICES ABOUT THIS PROJECT WAS RECENTLY SENT OUT ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, CLEARLY SHOWS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO PROVIDE THE NOTIFICATIONS TO DIGNITY HILL RESIDENCE. 
          AND TO PRESENT THIS TO THEM AT THE MONTHLY MEETING, ELLA AUSTIN IS TOO IMPORTANT TO THE ENTIRE EAST SIDE TO LIMIT NOTIFICATIONS TO HOUSES THAT FALL WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS. 
          WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE BOUNDARY IS AND WHICH ADDRESSES FALL WITHIN THE 200 FOOT NOTICE ABOUT THIS REQUEST. 
          SINCE THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORS THAT SAID THEY DID NOT GET THE NOTICES. 
          IF IN 2022 SAN ANTONIO VOTERS APPROVED 11.5 MILLION IN BOND FUNDING TO PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED REPAIRS AND UPGRADES TO ELLA AUSTIN, WHICH WAS THEN FURTHER SUPPLEMENTED BY TIERS FUNDING RESULTING IN A TOTAL, UH, INVESTMENT OF 23 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR ELLA AUSTIN, WE WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT ANOTHER 2.1 MILLION CAN ALWAYS BE RAISED OR FOUND THROUGH FUTURE TIER FUNDING TO SAVE THIS HISTORIC BUILDING THAT IS 91 YEARS OLD. 
          ALSO, WHERE ARE THE D R C COMMENTS? THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED WITH THIS REPORT. 
          THESE ARE ALL THE REASONS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE ON THE DECISION TO DEMOLISH THE PHYSICAL CULTURE BUILDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT, WE HAVE A 
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VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER 8 12 0 9, UH, SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 12 0 9 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY STREET, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 3 7 4. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION. 
          THE GUIDELINES LIMIT THE TOTAL AREA OF SCIENCE TO 50 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING 176 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS THREE AND A HALF TIMES GREATER THAN THE GUIDELINES. 
          WE DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BECAUSE SIGNS THAT LARGE ARE UNNECESSARY. 
          THEY EXCEED THE GUIDELINES AND WILL SET AN UNWANTED PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE APPLICANTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE LETTERS, UH, IN YOUR PACKETS ON YOUR DESKTOPS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 4 10 23 NORTH PINE AS WELL AS ITEM NUMBER 8 12 0 9 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHERS? MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE? MR. CHAIR? I MAKE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          SECOND, DOES THAT INCLUDE STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES, SIR. 
          AS AS, UM, AS NOTED BY STAFF. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          CASTILLO AYE. 
          SINO AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          ZUKA AYE. 
          GUEVARA AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS TWO 19 EAST HOUSTON, SEVEN 11 NAVARRO SEVEN 11 BROADWAY, 86 23 OLD CORPUS CHRISTI ROAD IN 5 0 1 EAST DEWEY. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED IN EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MR. CHAIR. 
          THE REASON I PULLED THIS AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I POLL THIS IS, UM, I LEARNED A BIT ABOUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OR LACK OF, SO I'D LIKE TO, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE TURN ON THE MICROPHONE? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. 
          MY NAME IS BRIAN SWELL. 
          I'M A PROJECT MANAGER AND ARCHITECT FOR WEST EAST DESIGN GROUP, THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM ON THE PROJECT. 
          AND I'M KATHLEEN KRAB. 
          I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PUBLIC WORKS. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF, UH, COUPLE OF COMMENTS, CALL-INS AND LETTERS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          TALK ABOUT, UH, PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN OR TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE FROM THE INCEPTION OF THIS PROJECT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW IN TERMS OF PUBLIC PROCESS? WELL, AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNCILMAN, WE SENT INVITATIONS TO BOTH PUBLIC MEETINGS. 
          WE'VE HAD SO FAR TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD IN DISTRICT TWO AT GREAT EXPENSE TO THE PROJECT. 
          I MIGHT MIND . 
          UM, BUT WE DID, WE SENT INVITATIONS AND, UM, THE COUNCILMAN ALSO HAD IT ON HIS, UM, NEWSLETTER AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, WE FEEL THAT THE, THE POPULATION WAS ADEQUATELY INFORMED OF THE TWO MEETINGS THAT WE DID HAVE. 
          AND WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THOSE MEETINGS? DO YOU RECALL? UM, ON OR ABOUT OCTOBER 7TH AND ON OR ABOUT NOVEMBER 8TH, I BELIEVE, OF 2022. 
          AND, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND THEN WERE, WE HAD A SITE VISIT, D R C HEAD OF SITE VISIT YES. 
          WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO VIEW THE, UM, THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU WERE REQUESTING DEMOLITION FOR. 
          UM, ANY OTHER OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? NOT, WE HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, THEIR, UH, I GUESS NOW FORMER PRESIDENT HAD REACHED OUT TO US AND WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT SOME OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, AT LEAST ONE OF THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND SO HE CONTACTED 
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ME, UH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, UM, BRINGING UP HIS, THEIR, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S DESIRE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT STATUS, UHHUH . 
          UM, AND SO THAT, THAT CONVERSATION HASN'T CONTINUED. 
          WE'VE SAID, YES, LET'S, LET'S TALK. 
          AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THAT DIED. 
          I SEE. 
          OTHERWISE, NO, WE HAVEN'T REACHED OUT DIRECTLY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CONSIDERING THE, THE IMPACT AND THE INTERVENTIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE ON THIS PROJECT, UM, I AM GOING TO SUGGEST THAT THERE BE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, SINCE THIS IS SQUARELY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I REALLY, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC, UM, MEETINGS. 
          I ATTENDED ONE OF THEM AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL, BUT I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS THERE. 
          PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP FOR VARIOUS REASONS. 
          THEY THINK IT'S D TWO, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A GREAT STAKEHOLDER GROUP FROM, UH, THE GENERAL COMMUNITY. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. 
          BUT I DO THINK BECAUSE OF THE FOCUS OF THIS AND WHERE THIS IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE INSTITUTION LONG TERM, MIGHT YOU BE AMENABLE TO MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? CERTAINLY, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          CAN YOU GIVE US A REPORT FROM THE D R C VISIT? UH, SURE, SURE. 
          UM, WE, UH, LOOKED AT ALL THREE, ALL FOUR STRUCTURES. 
          UM, TWO OF THEM WERE ENGINEERED METAL BUILDINGS THAT, UM, WERE ERECTED IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, THERE WAS, UM, UH, WHAT WE CALL THE SENIOR CENTER, THE MEETING, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING BUILDING, WHICH WAS BUILT IN THE NINETIES, A BRICK BUILDING. 
          UH, WE WENT INSIDE, LOOKED AT THE EXTERIOR, AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE PHYSICAL, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? PHYSICAL CULTURE BUILDING, BOTH THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR. 
          UH, THE SITE HAS SOME REALLY CHALLENGING TOPOGRAPHY AND DRAINAGE ISSUES. 
          AND, UM, WE WERE, IT WAS, IT WAS NOTED TO US THAT LONGTIME DRAINAGE ISSUES HAD BEEN CAUSING SOME, UM, UH, FOUNDATION COMPROMISES. 
          AND, UM, SO I BELIEVE, UH, ROLAND MOOKA WAS ALSO THERE. 
          AND WHO ELSE? JIMMY OR COMMISSIONER? IT WAS JUST YOU AND ROLAND. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, I AGREE CERTAINLY. 
          AND IN THAT, THAT PHYSICAL TECHNOLOGY ROOM, , THAT'S A FUNNY NAME FOR THE, FOR THAT BUILDING. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, BUT IT HAD STRUCTURAL ISSUES DEALING WITH DRAINAGE OUTSIDE AND DIFFERENT LEVELS INSIDE. 
          UM, IT, IT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE FIXED, BUT AT GREAT COST. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE, THE ISSUE OF HAVING TO REDO THE FOUNDATION AND CERTAINLY ALL THE DRAINAGE THAT'S, THAT'S MANDATORY. 
          BUT THE DEALING WITH THE FOUNDATION WOULD BE VERY COSTLY, I WOULD THINK. 
          IT'S PRETTY BUILDING KIND OF AWKWARD INSIDE. 
          IT'S JUST ONE LONG BUILDING WITH SEQUENTIAL ROOMS. SO, UH, THERE'S NO HALLWAY THAT LEADS FROM ROOM TO ROOM. 
          IT'S JUST ROOM TO ROOM. 
          UM, SO THAT MIGHT LIMIT ITS USE IN THE FUTURE. 
          ELEGANT, ELEGANT BUILDING, BUT DIFFICULT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR. 
          UM, THE, UM, THE, I THINK ON, ON ONE END, THE BUILDING'S IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE, BUT I I, I'M, I KNOW THAT THE ELLA AUSTIN IS KNOWN FOR WHAT IT SERVES IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE, UM, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF THE ALTERATIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED, DOES IT LOAN GREAT GREATLY TO THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE PRO PROVIDING OF SERVICES AND INTO THE FUTURE? UM, CAN YOU REPHRASE THE QUESTION? YOU MEAN DO THE, DO THE PROPOSED RENOVATIONS, ARE THEY BENEFITING LONG TERM FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY? WELL, ARE THEY TO, ARE THEY TO ENHANCED TO CREATE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE SERVICES THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN ENTIRELY? UH, THAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , OF COURSE. 
          SO, SO THEN SPEAKING AS A, AS A, UH, UM, CONSULTANT WITH THE DESIGN FIRM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING THAT IS THE OLDEST BUILDING FROM THE 1920S, UH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT CONSIDERATIONS Y'ALL MADE DIRECTLY WITH RESPECT TO MAKING THE DECISION THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF SERVING? UM, I, I GUESS FOR YOUR BUDGETARY CONCERNS OR WHATEVER, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS THAT THE WEST EAST MAIN CERTAINLY, UM, DO YOU MIND JUMPING TO A SLIDE FOR ME? NO, SURE. 
          UM, CAN WE GO TO 
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SLIDE 26, I BELIEVE? UM, WELL, SORRY, THAT WAS, THIS 26 IS MY NUMBER, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUMP AHEAD. 
          I DO. 
          WELL, I CAN GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THE QUESTION WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO PULL THINGS UP. 
          SO, I, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY ADDRESSED THE SITE, AND WHEN WE STARTED THE WHOLE PROJECT, WE MET WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, SELECT, UH, LEADERS THAT WERE SUGGESTED TO US BY THE ELLA AUSTIN TEAM, BY THE CITY, BY, UM, NEIGHBORS, TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE CONCERNS AND INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY WERE FOR THE PROGRAM. 
          BASED ON THOSE, WE DEVELOPED INITIAL IDEAS THAT WE PRESENTED AT THOSE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS. 
          OUR CONCEPT FOR THE SITE HAS BEEN AROUND CREATING A, UM, REINVIGORATED PUBLIC SPACE FOR ELLA AUSTIN. 
          AND AN AREA THAT IS ATTRACTIVE TO EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO USE BASICALLY THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY. 
          WHEN WE ANALYZE THE PROJECT, WHEN WE ANALYZE THE EXISTING PROGRAMS, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IS NOT BEING USED EFFICIENTLY RIGHT NOW, AND MUCH OF THAT IS DUE THE SITE LAYOUT. 
          OUR DECISION OR OUR PROPOSAL TO, UH, DEMOLISH THE, UH, PHYSICAL CULTURE BUILDING IS DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT IT REALLY BLOCKS OFF THE NORTH END OF THE CAMPUS ENTIRELY. 
          UM, ITS PROXIMITY TO THE, THE MAIN STRUCTURE MAKES IT A VERY AWKWARD, ALMOST LIKE VERY SHORT BUT DARK ALLEY EFFECT. 
          AND THEN THE GRADE ADJUSTMENTS, THE CHANGES ACROSS THAT ARE JUST, UH, INSURMOUNTABLE IF WE WANNA BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE SITE FROM THE NORTH. 
          UM, OUR PROPOSED, IF YOU'LL GO DOWN, UH, TWO SLIDES THERE TO 28, SO THIS JUST DEMONSTRATES A QUICK AXON OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONCEPT WHERE THE REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE IS SET BACK FROM THE STREET. 
          WE DELIVER A DROP OFF LOOP OFF OF BURSON, AND, UH, THEN OPEN UP THE ENTIRETY OF THE SOUTH SOUTHERN PORTION FOR AN OUTDOOR COURTYARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WITH MANY DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT WE CAN PROGRAM THROUGH THERE, THIS SINGLE MOVE OF DEMOLISHING AND THEN BUILDING THAT STRUCTURE THERE ALLOWS US TO HAVE ACCESS AND, UM, INVITATION TO THE COMMUNITY FROM ALL FOUR FACES OF THE CAMPUS. 
          IT REALLY MAKES IT MORE OF A CAMPUS FEEL INSTEAD OF, AT THE MOMENT, UH, THE FRONT DOOR IS PINE STREET, AND THEN, BUT WE ENTER FROM LAMAR, AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S KIND OF JUST  IT UNFOLDS WITH, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY VERY CLEAR. 
          SO, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ACCESS THAT SPACE, PROVIDE THE DROP OFF SPACE, AND MITIGATE THE GRADES BY STEPPING BACK THE BUILDING. 
          SO, SO ONE, ONE OF THE EXPERIENTIAL, UM, MOVEMENTS THAT I CAN RECALL IS YOU ALWAYS FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ENTERING THROUGH THE CAFETERIA. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER BIG ELEMENT IS BY STEPPING BACK THIS BUILDING, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING, AND WE WILL BE MEETING WITH YOU AT A LATER DATE TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED RENOVATIONS TO THE MAIN BUILDING. 
          UM, HOWEVER, ONE OF THE BIG MOVES, AND ONE OF THE MAJOR PROGRAMS THAT'S BEING OFFERED AT THE MAIN BUILDING THAT WAS HIGHLY RANKED IN TERMS OF PRIORITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY IS THEIR CHILDCARE FACILITIES. 
          AT THE MOMENT, WHEN YOU ARE DROPPING OFF YOUR CHILD OR PICKING UP YOUR CHILD, YOU HAVE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH WINDING CORRIDORS COMING INTO THE LOBBY AND WAYFINDING IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. 
          SO OUR INTENT FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE IS TO PROVIDE A DEDICATED, SECURE LOBBY FOR THE CHILDCARE SPACE. 
          IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IT MAKES IT MUCH SIMPLER TO PROVIDE IT ON THE NORTH SIDE AND MAKE DOUBLE USE OF THIS DROPOFF LOOP. 
          SO NOW THE DROP OFF LOOP CAN SERVE THE SENIORS SO THEY HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS INTO THEIR BUILDING, WHICH IS ON GRADE, JUST UNLIKE THE CURRENT BUILDING. 
          UM, AS WELL AS THEN SERVE A DIRECT, SECURE, INDEPENDENT LOBBY FOR THE CHILDCARE. 
          SO THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE HAVE OUR KIDS MUCH, MUCH SAFER. 
          THEY HAVE THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT AREA IN THE MAIN BUILDING, AND IT'S ALL SERVED OFF A SINGULAR DROP OFF LOOP. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          AND I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED BECAUSE IT, IT, IT HELPS US DEAL WITH WHETHER SERVICES ARE MAINTAINED OR WHETHER THEY'RE GOING AWAY, BUT YOUR ANSWERS WERE VERY, VERY, UM, UM, INFORMATIONAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          UM, BECAUSE OUR PREVIEW IS, UM, THE THREE CRITERIA. 
          SO YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STATING THAT THE OWNER CAN'T MAKE REASONABLE, BENEFICIAL USE, IT CAN'T BE REASONABLY ADAPTED FOR OTHER FEASIBLE USE, AND YOU'VE ALSO HAD AN ECONOMICAL, SUBSTANTIAL ONGOING EFFORT, LIKE ECONOMICAL HARDSHIP. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE LOOK AT THOSE THREE THINGS. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL LET MS. MONICA SINA MADE THE MOTION AND I'LL, UM, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER S I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION FOR, AS SOME OF THE RESIDENTS REQUESTED FOR A CONTINUANCE, SO YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND EXPLAIN WHAT YOU'VE BEEN EXPLAINING TO US. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK, UH, WHAT'S IN THE PACKAGE IS SUFFICIENT, BUT I THINK BY YOUR EXPLAINING IT, SHOWING YOUR DRAWINGS THAT WE SAW AT ONE OF THE LAST PUBLIC MEETINGS, YOU COULD BETTER SHOW THAT THERE IS A, THERE ARE SOME GOOD REASONS 
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FOR THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING. 
          SO MY MOTION IS TO CONTINUE UNTIL AFTER YOU HAVE A MEETING WITH THE GENERAL MEMBERSHIP AT A REGULAR MEETING. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, UH, THANK YOU. 
          D WITTY HILL IS, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLED. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          YEAH. 
          MOTION IS SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT IT'S BEEN A YEAR, OUR NEW, NEW PROBABLY NEW OFFICERS, PROBABLY NEW NEIGHBORS, UM, THE, THE ROLE THAT THIS INSTITUTION HAS PLAYED, LIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY, UM, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, KNOWLEDGEABLE OF WHAT TRULY IS BEING LOST, BUT WHAT IS BEING GAINED AS WELL, AND HOW TO, MY, MY INTEREST IS IN ACTIVATING IS OF COURSE MAINTAINING AS MUCH OF THE HISTORIC FABRIC AS POSSIBLE, BUT MAINTAINING THE SERVICES AND THE ACTIVITIES ON THAT CAMPUS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, IN, IN LIGHT OF THE, THE, THE, UM, UH, STATE, THE, THE COMMENT THAT COMMISSIONER GROUP MADE A SECOND AGO, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE WITH RESPECT TO THEIR OUTREACH WAS THAT THEY WERE ADVISED BY COUNCILS. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY'VE REACHED OUT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THIS UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE, IT CAN, IT DEMONSTRATES HOW EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAY BEYOND A 200 FOOT RADIUS RECEIVED AN INVITATION. 
          SO THAT WOULD SAY THAT BY DEFAULT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS TO HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THIS. 
          UM, I CAN SEE HOW IT CAN MAKE, BE, BE MADE IN AN EASY ASSUMPTION ON THE PART OF ANY APPLICANT TO ASSUME THAT IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAD A DIRE, UM, NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, THAT IT'S, IT, IT, THERE IS NO RULE THAT PUTS THE ONUS OF THAT ON AN APPLICANT. 
          IN FACT, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE PROCESS TO ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION ARRESTS ON BOTH SIDES ON THE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN APPLICANT WHO FOR GENERATIONS HAS SERVED THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT THE MEANS TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, MUCH MORE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY MEANS TO THE AL AUSTIN WITH RESPECT TO IT IN ONE OF THESE, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES. 
          UM, AND THE DI AND, AND HISTORICALLY A HIGH, UH, DISTRESSED INDEXED, UM, UH, UH, RATING THAT, UM, I, I FIND IT VERY, VERY TELLING THE GENTLEMAN MAKING THE PRESENTATION THAT, THAT, THAT THEY'RE ENHANCING THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THEIR DAYCARE SERVICES, WHICH, WHICH I THINK ARE, ARE IMPORTANT WHEN CONSIDERING THE USE OF THE BUILDING AND, AND ITS ARCHITECTURE. 
          SO I, IN, IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, I THINK THAT, THAT MAYBE THE BALL FELL, UH, OR WAS LOST ON THE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          AND, AND THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON WHY THIS APPLICANT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT PENALIZED OR EXPECTED TO GIVE SOMEBODY A CEREMONIAL, UH, PRESENTATION WHEN THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. 
          SO I, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING A DENY AGREE. 
          SO, UM, OUR RESPECT, COMMISSIONER ENO'S, UH, REQUEST AND, AND SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, IT'S NOT ON US. 
          UM, SO OUR PURVIEW IS THE BUILDING. 
          YOU MADE A GOOD PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I'LL ALLOW THAT, BUT I'LL ASK STAFF OR ASK YOU AND ASK THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LISTENING IN IS PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE IN TWO WEEKS. 
          AND IT SHOULD NOT BE FURTHER CONTINUANCE IF THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY CON UH, CON CONVERSATIONS. 
          MR. CHAIR, IS THAT AN AMENDMENT? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN REQUIRED. 
          'CAUSE THE CONTINUANCE ACTUALLY PUTS, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK A QUESTION IF ANYBODY KNEW WHEN THE NEXT GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING OF THE ASSOCIATION IS THIRD WEEK, THIRD MONDAY. 
          MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SANES, REGARDING THE DISCUSSION BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS PUTTING THIS BACK TWO WEEKS. 
          I MEAN, LET'S JUST GO FOUR WEEKS. 
          WHAT IS THIS GONNA COST THE PROJECT? CAN YOU PUT AN ESTIMATE ON THAT? UM, I DON'T HAVE A FINANCIAL ESTIMATE ON THAT. 
          IT JUST DELAYS THE PROJECT ANOTHER SEVERAL WEEKS FROM BEING COMPLETE OVERALL. 
          I MEAN, IT TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO THE DESIGN WORK. 
          IT TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO SOLICIT FOR, UH, A CONTRACTOR, AND IT TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO BUILD IT. 
          AND ALL THAT TIME IS JUST PUSHED OUT ANOTHER FEW WEEKS. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO MY COMMENT TO ALL OF THAT IS, I THINK I AGREE WITH PRETTY MUCH ALL OF MY COMMISSIONERS HERE, AND IT'S JUST, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IT'S HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST? AND THIS IS NOT A POP-UP PROJECT. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS SURPRISED, UH, YOU THROWN AS A 
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SURPRISE ON THE, ON THE COMMUNITY OF THE CITY. 
          JUST A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THE ASSOCIATION. 
          AND, AND THE CONTINUITY, THE OPERATIONAL CONTINUITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ASSOCIATION, UH, SHOULD NOT FALL ON YOU TO EAT IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A FINANCIAL COST TO IT. 
          SO I HAVEN'T DECIDED HOW I'M GONNA VOTE, BUT I THINK ALL MY COMMISSIONERS MAKE A VALID POINT. 
          THE ASSOCIATION NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A CONTINUITY ISSUE THERE, OR A LACK OF CONTINUITY. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, SO I, I, I TOO AGREE WITH ALL MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING AND OF COURSE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING THAT I SUGGEST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO GET COMMUNICATIONS OUT, BUT, UM, COMMUNICATION HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S A SENDER AND A RECEIVER, AND CLEARLY, UM, SOMETHING HAPPENED HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DIDN'T GET IT. 
          BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY CONSIDER BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME YOU COME BACK THAT, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER ANOTHER WAY OF COMMUNICATE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME, MAYBE SOCIAL MEDIA, MAYBE THAT'LL HELP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, AND THEN YOU CAN SHOW THAT YOU SENT IT OUT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED THAT OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO BE THERE. 
          AND THEN THAT WAY I THINK THAT IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAY THAT WE DIDN'T GET NOTICE OR DIDN'T GET IT, DIDN'T GET, YOU KNOW, INFORMED OF IT, YOU KNOW, YOU DID WHAT YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, SO JUST IS A SUGGESTION. 
          WE DID ALSO ADVERTISE BOTH THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS THROUGH OUR ESSAY SPEAK UP, WHICH IS KIND OF A SOCIAL MEDIA ADVERTISEMENT. 
          THE, I DUNNO, THE YES, THE, UM, I KNOW THE COUNCILMAN PUT IT ON HIS SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, FOR BOTH PUBLIC MEETINGS AND ATTENDED BOTH. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO HAD CREATED A WEBSITE, UH, THAT WE DIRECTED PEOPLE TO, FLYERS WERE DISTRIBUTED THROUGH ELLA AUSTIN, THROUGH ELLA AUSTIN, UM, REPRESENTATIVES TO THEIR, YOU KNOW, UH, CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT AND THROUGHOUT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AREA. 
          SO, UM, BUT I, I RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE ARE, UM, MULTIMODAL WAYS OF, OF CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE AND ANNOUNCING THINGS. 
          UM, THERE MIGHT BE CONCERN, I THINK ESPECIALLY WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO IS TALKING ABOUT THAT, UH, IT'S BEEN A YEAR, UM, AND THERE MIGHT BE CONCERN THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THAT YEAR. 
          THE REALITY IS THAT, UM, WE PRESENTED THE PROPOSED DEMOLITIONS DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING, AND IN FACT, THE PROPOSED DEMOLITIONS, UH, HAVE BEEN REDUCED. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE DECIDED TO, UH, ENDEAVOR TO KEEP ONE OF THE STRUCTURES THAT DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING WE DISCUSSED REMOVING. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, WELL, I, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY CAN MEET WITH PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME. 
          IT'LL BE THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE PRESENTED BEFORE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. 
          WITH RESPECT TO, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT, IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT FOLLOWED GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY, UH, BY COUNSEL. 
          AND, AND I JUST, I, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, AND, AND I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT ON THE, PARTICULARLY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF YOUR ITEMS WITH STIPULATIONS THAT YOU'RE SUBMITTING AN ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, SO IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL HERE AND RIGHT. 
          AND THEY'RE ALSO, UH, ANOTHER STIPULATION IS THAT YOU'RE SUBMITTING A FULL REPLACEMENT PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO H C R C. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          UM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW ANOTHER MEETING SPECIFICALLY IS GOING TO HELP THIS PROCESS. 
          AND, AND FOR THAT, UH, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          BEFORE WE TAKE UP A VOTE, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY THE CONTINUANCE TO A DATE CERTAIN, OR TO MAYBE THE NEXT AVAILABLE, DEPENDING ON THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S SCHEDULE, THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING, EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          SURE. 
          CONSIDERING, UM, WHERE THE APPLICANT IS AND WHEN THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING IS INTO TWO WEEKS, I GUESS IT IS. 
          I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO REQUEST A CONTINUANCE UNTIL THE NEXT H D R C HEARING, AND IN THAT INTERIM THAT THE APPLICANT MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEMBERSHIP OR MAKE, UH, REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REQUESTING A MEETING. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S SUFFICIENT, REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          DOES THAT, WOULD THAT HOLD WATER? BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU DID REACH OUT AND YOU DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE, YOU CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, REQUEST A PLACE ON THEIR AGENDA AT THE NEXT MEMBERSHIP MEETING, AND THEN WE'LL SEE YOU BACK IN TWO WEEKS. 
          DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK 
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YOU. 
          UM, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION MAINLY BECAUSE, UH, THE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN OVER A YEAR AGO OR CLOSE TO A YEAR AGO, UH, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE, UH, DETAILS HAVE CHANGED SLIGHTLY, UH, YOU'VE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF DEMOLITION AND EVERYTHING, BUT, UM, I THINK THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS HAVE BEEN, UH, CLOSE TO A YEAR AGO, I THINK IT'D BE WORTH HAVING, UH, AT LEAST REACH OUT TO THEM AND, UH, REQUEST ANOTHER MEETING. 
          SO, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE JUST ONE MORE LESS COMMENT. 
          YES. 
          MY, MY, UH, CONCERN IS THAT THIS KIND OF A LOW BAR PRECEDENT THAT, THAT I SAY IT'S LOW BECAUSE IT SETS THE THRESHOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN CONSIDERING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, CHANGEOVERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN THE CONSIDERATION THAT THEY SENT, UH, INFORMATION, UH, OUT VIA MAIL FAR BEYOND THE REQUIRED CIRCUMSTANCE. 
          AND, AND EVEN IF THEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SPEAK UP OR, OR THE SAN ANTONIO SPEAK, ALL OF THAT, THAT'S LIKE SUPPOSED TO BE THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF COMMUNICATION IN THE CITY AT THIS POINT. 
          AND, AND THE IDEA THOUGH, OR THE REALITY THAT, UM, THESE ARE, THESE ARE REAL PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE TO RAISE THE DOLLARS TO, TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THESE PROJECTS THAT SERVE THE COMMUNITY. 
          TIME IS MORE THAN JUST MONEY IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, BECAUSE IN TWO WEEKS, A LOT CAN CHANGE IN TWO WEEKS. 
          A, A, UH, A COMMISSIONER THAT, THAT MAY HAVE CARRIED IT OVER, MAY NOT BE ON THE DAIS. 
          UM, A, UM, UH, A A CONTENTIOUS CIRCUMSTANCE CAN, CAN ARISE, UH, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DECIDES THAT THEY DON'T WANT THIS PROJECT TO HAPPEN. 
          SO A VOTE IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND THE TIMELINESS OF A VOTE IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST, UH, THE TIME IS MONEY, BUT IT'S ALSO THE REALITY THAT, THAT PROBABLY THEY SHOULD WALK OUT OF HERE WITH A, WITH A FINAL DECISION THAT IS NOT, UM, YIELDING TO WHAT, WHAT AMOUNTS TO MORE CEREMONIAL, UM, EFFORT. 
          UM, PARTICULARLY IN, IN THAT OUR TESTIMONY IS THAT, WELL, IF YOU SEND IT OUT AND THEY DON'T ANSWER IT, WELL THEN SEE YOU'VE DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. 
          WHEN THAT DOESN'T, UH, QUALIFY AS DUE DILIGENCE, I, I'M NOT SUPPORTING THE VOTE. 
          I SUPPORT THAT THEY GET A, THAT, THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE THEIR, THEIR PROJECT. 
          SO MY, MY VOTE NOT, UH, IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, I IS NOT A, A VOTE A AGAINST THIS ORGANIZATION. 
          IT'S JUST IN NOT SUPPORTING, UH, THE IDEA THAT, UH, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAVE, UM, ULTIMATE POWER. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ NAY. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          ADA AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? NO. 
          HOLLAND NAY AND FETZER? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE'LL SEE YOU BACK HERE SOON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, IF APPLICANT KATIE CSOS IS HERE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? UM, HELLO, MY NAME'S KATIE EVASO. 
          I'M REPRESENTING SAN ANTONIO ACADEMY. 
          I AM THE PROJECT ARCHITECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU ASKED THIS TO BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION? CORRECT. 
          UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UM, THE THIRD STIPULATION, WHICH, UM, REQUIRED THE NEW CURB CUTS TO NOT EXCEED 12 FEET. 
          UM, WE'VE PREPARED A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS THE TURNING RADIUSES OF THE VEHICLES ON THESE NEW DRIVES. 
          AND, UM, AND WITH THAT, WE, UM, WOULD LIKE TO ASK A REQUEST THAT THAT, UM, STIPULATION BE REMOVED SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE, UH, CURB CUT AND DRIVE WITH TO ACCOMMODATE THE VEHICLES ON SITE. 
          KATIE, WAS IT ONE OF THE ONES THAT MENTOR EMAILED EARLIER? OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          HE DIDN'T SPECIFY IT WAS FOR TODAY. 
          SO, YES. 
          SORRY, . 
          SO DO WE HAVE DRAWINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PULL UP? OKAY. 
          DOES THIS LOOK RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN WALK THROUGH THEM AS WELL IF, IF NEEDED. 
          SO THE FIRST DRAWING, UM, IS AN EXHIBIT OF THE EAST DRIVE. 
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UH, WE'RE TOUCHING BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST, UM, DRIVES ON THE, THE, THE CAMPUS, UM, THE DRIVE TO THE RIGHT, THAT WIDER DRIVE IS AN EXISTING ONE THAT IS CURRENTLY FUNCTIONING AS AN IN AND OUT TO THEIR PARKING. 
          WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THE NEW CIRCULAR DRIVE, UM, THANK YOU . 
          UM, AND THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE, UM, THE EXISTING CURB CUT TO ALLOW, UM, INWARD TRAFFIC, TWO LANES OF INWARD TRAFFIC, WHICH, UH, WILL HELP WITH QUEUING AND DROP OFF FOR THE CAMPUS. 
          UM, AND, AND ALSO, UH, WITH THAT NEW CIRCULATION PATH, UM, THAT DRIVE WILL, WILL SERVE AS AN EXIT ROUTE FOR BOTH, UH, CARS THAT ARE TURNED AWAY, BUT ALSO, UH, FOR LARGER VEHICLES LIKE BOX CAR TRUCKS THAT ARE DELIVERING TO, UH, THE SITE TODAY FOR THEIR DINING HALL. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT, UH, TWO SLIDES SHOW THAT TURNAROUND IF, IF, IF A PASSENGER IS TO TURN, HAVE TO TURN AROUND. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE SHOWS THE BOXCAR TRUCK EXITING THE SITE. 
          OUR REQUEST IS THAT THIS, THIS CURB CUT BE 24 FEET IN WIDTH, WHICH IT'S HARD TO READ, BUT IS ON THAT FIRST SLIDE. 
          SO THE EXISTING, UH, CURB CUT WILL REMAIN AND THEN THE NEW ONE YOU'RE REQUESTING TO BE 24 FEET? CORRECT. 
          AND THE EXISTING ONE IS HOW WIDE? UM, IT'S SLIGHTLY LARGER. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DIMENSION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR REQUEST? UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO LOOK AT THE WEST DRIVE, BUT WE CAN REMAIN HERE IF, IF LET'S DEAL, UH, MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION ON BOTH. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UM, SO THE WEST DRIVE IS, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THE, THIS IS ALSO AN EXISTING CURB CUT THAT WE'RE USING AND, AND DRIVEWAY TO THE RIGHT. 
          UM, WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW DRIVE TO ALLOW FOR PASSENGERS, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, FOR, UM, CARS TO BE, BE ABLE TO BE TURNED AWAY AND EXIT THE CAMPUS WITHOUT ENTERING THE SECURE POINT. 
          UM, WE DID MEET WITH MONTE VISTA AND PER THEIR RECOMMENDATION, WE HAD ORIGINALLY DIRECTED, UH, THE EXIT TRAFFIC ON THE EXISTING DRIVE THAT IS ALSO TO THE LEFT. 
          UM, IT'S RIGHT THERE , SO THAT IS ANOTHER EXISTING DRIVE. 
          SO WE HAD IT KIND OF, WE HAD PEOPLE TURN AROUND AND COME OUT THAT THEY EXPRESSED, UM, CONCERN SINCE THAT EXISTING CURB CUT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION AND RECOMMENDED THE PATH THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE. 
          WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO, UM, GIVE DIRECTIONALITY TO THAT EXITING CAR TO, TO REQUIRE AND ALSO REQUIRE WITH SIGNAGE A RIGHT TURN ONLY TO MAKE THAT A SAFER EXIT. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO TAKING THAT EXISTING DRIVE PER THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THE LEFT AND ABANDONING IT AND PUTTING IT BACK TO GREEN SPACE. 
          AND FOR THAT CURB CUT, WE'RE ASKING FOR A 14 FOOT WIDTH. 
          AND THAT, THAT CONCLUDES, UM, THE PRESENTATION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH THE, THE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL IF NEEDED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE OTHER STIPULATIONS? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          WELL, AND, AND THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          I'M GLAD THAT, UM, YES. 
          SO CAN WE GO TO SLIDE 10? UH, THE ONE THAT SHOWS BOTH DRIVEWAYS. 
          SO WHY IS THE 14 NEED, WHY CAN'T YOU DO NOT DO 12 ON THE WEST ONE AND REMOVE THE EXISTING? SO IF WE GO TO SLIDE 10, I THINK THAT KIND OF SHOWS A CLEAR VIEW. 
          SO ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU'RE REMOVING THE DARK ONE THAT'S ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT, AND THEN YOU WANNA MAKE THE EXISTING ONE. 
          IS IT 12 RIGHT NOW, OR WHAT IS IT? IT'S AROUND 12. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU JUST WANT TWO MORE FEET? UM, I THINK THIS EXHIBIT MIGHT BE BETTER. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY WIDTHS. 
          SHE'S ASKING FOR WIDER THAN 12 FEET ON THE NEW DRIVEWAY, SO NOTHING WILL CHANGE ON THE, THE DRIVEWAY ON THE WEST. 
          YOU'RE COMPLETELY REMOVING IT AND REDESIGNING IT. 
          I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST ONE. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WEST. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, THE EX, I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH EACH ONE, UM, TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN. 
          SO THE, THE EXISTING CURB CUT WHERE WE'RE YOU'RE ENTERING THE SITE WILL REMAIN THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, UH, THE EXISTING CURB CUT THAT IS ADJACENT 
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TO THE INTERSECTION WILL BE ABANDONED AND TURN BACK TO GREEN SPACE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND THEN WE WILL INTRODUCE A NEW DRIVEWAY PATH AND A NEW CURB CUT THAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO BE 14 FEET. 
          CURRENTLY IT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          CORRECT. 
          I SEE LIKE THE, I SEE IT ON THE SLIDE 10. 
          IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE STREET, BUT IT'S BLOCKED. 
          THERE'S NO LIKE CUT RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE UP. 
          GO A FURTHER UP LIKE NO WHERE, WHERE YOU EXIT. 
          SO CURRENTLY, UM, RIGHT THERE. 
          YES. 
          SO CIR SITE CIRCULATION. 
          I THINK ON MAYBE THE NEXT SLIDE AS WELL. 
          UM, WE SHOW THE CURRENT SITE CIRCULATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU ALREADY HAVE AN EXIT, YOU ALREADY HAVE A CURB CUT THERE. 
          IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE MODIFYING TO 14 FEET? NO, THAT WILL REMAIN THE, THE SAME AS WELL, WE'RE INTRODUCING A NEW CURB CUT JUST SOUTH OF THAT ON MAIN, UM, TO PROVIDE E EXIT BEFORE THE SECURE POINT. 
          SO YOU'RE BASICALLY COMING IN ONCE AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA DO TWO EXITS? YES. 
          AND THAT, THAT THE EXIT, THE NEW EXIT WE'RE INTRODUCING SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T SEE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. 
          ESSENTIALLY IT'S CARS THAT ARE TURNED AWAY FROM THE CAMPUS. 
          AND SO, UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE REMOVING ONE ON EAST FRENCH AND YOU'RE ADDING ONE ON NORTH MAIN? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHY WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE 12 OR THE OTHER? THE EXISTING ON NORTH MAIN IS ALSO 12. 
          UM, THAT WAS OUR, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER RECOMMENDED THAT, AND ALSO TO CREATE THAT RIGHT TURN DIRECTIONALITY OF THE CURB CUT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY OUR CIVIL ENGINEER. 
          SO STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ADDING ANOTHER CURB CUT IN NORTH MAIN AS LONG AS IT'S 12? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE GO TO THE EAST, SO YOU'RE DRIVING UP THE EAST AND THERE'S NO EXIT, ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN KEEP IT FOR A SECOND ROUND. 
          I YIELD STILL OF MY TIME TO COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, JUST, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          SO THE EAST WELCOME, THE ENTRANCE WILL STAY THE SAME. 
          YOU WANNA INTRODUCE A NEW, WELL, ACTUALLY NO, THAT'S A WHOLE NEW DRIVEWAY YOU WERE, YOU WANTED TO DO, RIGHT? SO, UM, FOR THE EAST THAT YOU'RE KEEPING THIS ONE AND THEN YOU'RE INTRODUCING LIKE THE CIRCULAR THAT GOES TOWARDS THE SOCCER FIELD. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO YOU'RE ADDING ONE MORE IN EACH FRENCH. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SO INSTEAD OF USING THAT EXISTING CURB CUT FOR IN AND OUT TRAFFIC, IT'S, IT'S ENTRY TO THE, IT'S ONLY ENTRY TO THE, THE PARKING. 
          AND, AND THE REASON WHY YOU WANNA WIDEN IT IS BECAUSE YOU WANNA CREATE THAT LIKE BOTH ENTRY STRAIGHT UP TO THE PARKING LOT AND YOU WANNA CREATE AN ENTRY THAT CAN JUST DO THAT U U-TURN. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FUNCTION FOR THE, THE CAMPUS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, TO AROUND VEHICLES THAT ARE, ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE PAST, UM, THE SECURE ZONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          QUESTION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          UM, SO, SO THE, SO I IMAGINE THAT THE, UM, THE NEED TO TURN CARS AWAY IS ADDRESSING THE NEW DYNAMIC OF, UH, NON NON, UH, APPROVED ENTRY. 
          UH, SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO GET IN AND OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT WAITED QUICKLY, SEND THEM OUT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, THE, THE, UM, ADVICE THAT YOU'RE CIVIL GAVE YOU THE CIVIL ENGINEER. 
          IS IT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE, AND THE, UM, TO HAVE AMPLE SPACE? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THAT SOMEWHAT THE, THE DESIGN IS A LITTLE RESIDENTIAL IN, ITS IN ITS, UH, ORIGINAL STATE. 
          SO, SO, UM, DOES, DOES IT, UH, FEEL LIKE THAT'S ENOUGH SPACE THAT, THAT, UH, HE'S COMMUNICATED TO YOU THAT YOUR VARIETY OF VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND, UM, WE REALLY WORKED WITH THEM TO MINIMIZE IT AND REDUCE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND ON THE ABANDONMENT OF THE, OF THE ROAD THAT'S THERE, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT WILL BE A GREEN SPACE, SO IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY SHADOW OF A ROAD, CORRECT. 
          WHATSOEVER? YES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I ALSO DIDN'T MENTION, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE INTRODUCING MORE HARDSCAPE AT THE EAST, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, MONTE VISTA TO INCLUDE SOME LIKE SAW CUTS OR A LITTLE MORE ORNAMENTATION IN THE DRIVEWAY TO HELP, UM, BREAK DOWN THE SCALE OF THE HARDSCAPE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, IT'S MOSTLY FOR STAFF. 
          SO IF THEY HAVE A, THAT 20 FOOT, UH, CURB CUT, IF THEY PUT AN ISLAND IN THERE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC DIRECTIONAL, ISLET ISLAND, A CURB, A LITTLE CURB, UH, IN THERE WITH THAT COUNT AGAINST THE, UH, 12 FEET OR THE 24 FEET. 
          UM, I'LL JUST SAY LIKE OUR HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE ANTICIPATING LIKE A RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          WE RECOMMENDED THE 12 FEET JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DIMENSIONS IN THE SET THAT WE REVIEWED. 
          AND SO THAT WAS JUST KIND OF A STANDARD STIPULATION. 
          AND SO I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO MODIFICATIONS DEPENDING ON 
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THE APPROPRIATENESS, UM, OF THE, THE, UM, THE SITE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CLARIFYING CHAIR. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF, UH, ONE MOMENT WE HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS. 
          OH, SURE, SIR SABINA? YES. 
          UM, STAFF. 
          CAN WE LOOK AT THE CIVIL DRAWING? THE UPDATED CIVIL DRAWING THAT HAS THE TRUCK LAYOUT FOR THAT EAST FRENCH PLACE DRIVE AWAY. 
          CUT. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          THERE. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          AND SO AT ITS WIDEST POINT, ARE WE LOOKING OF THE DRIVE? WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE DIMENSION OF THE DRIVE THERE AT THE WIDEST POINT? 20? OH, SORRY. 
          THE EXISTING OR THE PROPOSED? THE PROPOSED, SHE'S PROPOSING 24 FEET IN WIDTH. 
          24 FEET. 
          SO, UM, WITHOUT ASKING, TALKING ABOUT THE TURNING RADIUS OF THE BOX TRUCKS UP NEAR THE FACILITIES WHERE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, MAKING THAT VERY SHARP TURN THERE AND COMING BACK OUT, KNOWING THAT THEY ARE ALREADY DOING SOME TIGHT TURNS, MIGHT IT BE POSSIBLE TO EXPAND THAT DRIVEWAY CURVED AREA, SORRY, ABOUT THE NORTH WHERE THE, THAT YES. 
          WHERE THAT TOP CAR IS EXPANDING IT THERE, SO THOSE CURVED, THOSE TURNS CAN BE MADE AND THEN THE VEHICLE CAN STRAIGHTEN OUT AND PERHAPS WORK WITH A 16 FOOT DRIVE? IS THAT, COULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY? I THINK WE'D HAVE TO, UM, LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND SEE IF THAT'S FEASIBLE. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S A, A GOOD VIEW OF MAYBE THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S JUST NORTH OF THERE. 
          UM, IT'S A PRETTY CONSTRAINED SITE, SO WE WERE TRYING TO LEAVE ROOM FOR THE ENTRY, UM, TO THE, THE, THE EXISTING GYM. 
          SO WE WERE TRYING TO NOT, UM, IMPEDE TOO MUCH INTO THE CAMPUS. 
          SO IT WAS THAT BALANCE, BUT, UM, I THINK WHAT'S REALLY DRIVING THAT CURB CUT THOUGH IS THE RIGHT TURN, UM, ONCE YOU'RE LEAVING THE CAMPUS RIGHT. 
          THAT IS, IS CAUSING IT TO BE SO WIDE TO, TO, BECAUSE ONE HAS TO SWING OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE YEAH. 
          AND GET THAT ANGLE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BECAUSE I THINK THE PART THAT, THE PART THAT CONCERNS ME IS JUST THE, THE DRIVEWAY CUT WIDTH, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND HAVING A COMMERCIAL SIZED MM-HMM. 
           DRIVEWAY FOR THAT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S SORT OF THE, UM, TRAFFIC YOU'RE GETTING. 
          UM, 20 FEET, 22, 24 SEEMS AWFULLY, AWFULLY WIDE, ESPECIALLY TOO IN SEQUENCE IN A VERY WALKABLE AREA. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW THE, THE PANEL TRUCKS ARE GOING IN AND OUT OF THE EXISTING DRIVE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          CORRECT. 
          HOW OFTEN DO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE, UM, PARENTS COMING IN AND OUT CONFLICT WITH THE PANEL TRUCK, DOES THE PANEL TRUCK COME DURING THE DAY OR EARLY IN THE MORNING SO THAT THEY COULD LEAVE THROUGH THE EXISTING ONE LIKE THEY'RE DOING NOW? COULD YOU HELP WITH THAT, PAUL? IT'S USUALLY DURING THE DAY. 
          CAN YOU COME SPEAK INTO THE ? SURE. 
          IT'S USUALLY DURING THE DAY. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU TEACHER YOURSELF AS WELL? YES, MY NAME IS PAUL QUICK AND I'M THE HEAD OF SCHOOL AT SAN ANTONIO ACADEMY. 
          UM, IT'S USUALLY DURING THE DAY, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME IN THE MORNING, DEPENDING ON THEIR DROP OFF. 
          UM, FOR THE, UM, FOR THE DINING HALL. 
          UM, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE DROP OFF, BUT USUALLY IT'S IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, SIR, THAT, UM, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR, UH, UH, ONE THROUGH FOUR MINUS THREE WITH STAFF'S STIPULATIONS, UH, ONE AND TWO, AND ITEM THREE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT A SECOND. 
          MOTION A SECOND. 
          THE DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE DRAWINGS THERE THAT SHOWS THE SITE PLAN AND SHOWS THE YELLOW LINE AND THE DISTANCE THAT THAT TRAVEL IS, AND IT, IT'S, IT'S VERY, UM, UM, IT EXPLAINS VERY WELL, UH, WHAT LIFE MUST BE LIKE IN THERE TURNING SOMEONE AWAY OR, OR, OR, OR HAVING THE LARGER TRUCKS. 
          IT, THIS JUST SEEMS TO BE KIND OF A, A FINAL SOLUTION THAT HELPS TO FACILITATE THE, THE ULTIMATE VEHICULAR SAFETY FOR THE CHILDREN AND FOR THE STUDENTS THAT ARE THERE. 
          UH, JUST, IT JUST MAKES GOOD SENSE AND IT, IT ALSO, THE IDEA THAT IT, IT STEPS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE CORNER IN ONE CIRCUMSTANCE, I THINK IS IDEAL BECAUSE YOU'D NEVER GET A, UH, AN ENTRY AS CLOSEST THAT HISTORIC PATHWAY WAS TO THE STREET. 
          SO IT, IT'S SENSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I JUST WANNA, I'M, I'M GONNA SUPPORT IT AS WELL, UM, AS PRESENTED. 
          I THINK SLIDE 25 ACTUALLY, YOU'RE INTRODUCING MORE SECURITY TO THE CAMPUS AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE REASON WHY I SUPPORTED, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY PRETTY CONSISTENT ABOUT THIS CURB CUT. 
          I MEAN, 
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I WOULDN'T, THE ONE ON THE WEST SIDE, THE EXIT, THE NEW EXIT, I MEAN, IF IT'S AN OPTION TO MAKE IT JUST A 12 AS THE ONE OTHER ONE, I WOULD PREFER THAT JUST, I MEAN, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S TWO EXITS. 
          I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE YOU PRESENTING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND FURTHER DISCUSSION FURTHER NEED FOR THE 14 OF VERSUS 12 ON THAT EXIT, SINCE IT'S ALREADY, THERE'S ONE UP THERE THAT'S 12 AND THEY'RE ALSO SUGGESTING RIGHT TURN, BUT, UM, I'LL SUPPORT IT. 
          A MOTION AS IS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          COM. 
          COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. 
          I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT MEASURED WHAT'S, WHAT'S EXISTING THERE RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE BOTH OF THE, THE EAST AND THE WEST, UM, INGRESS ARE THE, THE ROADS ARE 22 OR 24 FEET WIDE, SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A PARTICULAR REASON TO KEEP ANYTHING SMALLER THAN THAT. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION AS WELL AS PRESENTED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          GIADA. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER SINO HAD A QUESTION. 
          I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR, UM, THE APPLICANT. 
          I JUST MADE MAGGIE STARR A PANELIST. 
          UM, MAGGIE, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE IN ORDER TO PRESENT. 
          IS SHE THERE? MAGGIE STARR? CAN YOU HEAR US? YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE OR LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK THIS OF STAFF FIRST THEN. 
          UM, CAN STAFF, UM, THERE SHE IS. 
          MAGGIE? YES. 
          YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MY, UM, I PULL THIS, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE AREA, THE SQUARE FOOT ALLOWANCE, AS WELL AS THE IN, UH, INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET SIGN, UM, FOR THE SIGNAGE ON PAGE, THE ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? THAT'S GOING ON TO YOUR, UH, LET'S SEE, WHICH ELEVATION IS THIS? IT'S A GABLE ELEVATION. 
          PAGE SEVEN. 
          THE REVERSE CHANNEL LETTERS? YES. 
          IS THAT WHERE THAT'S GOING? UH, ON THE IT YOU SHOULD HAVE A PAGE THAT SHOWS IT. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S THE ILLUMINATED SIGN. 
          YES. 
          THERE BOTH SIGNS ARE ILLUMINATED. 
          THEY ARE, UM, THIS ONE IS REVERSE ILLUMINATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IT'S A HA LEVEL ILLUMINATED UHHUH  CHANNEL LETTERS INDIVIDUALLY MOUNTED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS EXPLAIN HOW THE LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA, UH, IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS SITUATION. 
          THE, UH, THE GUIDELINES DO POINT TO SIGNAGE BEING, UH, SCALED APPROPRIATELY FOR FACADES. 
          UM, TYPICALLY I DON'T, I'LL NEED TO SCROLL UP TO SEE IF IT'S IN THIS, UH, THERE'S A FINDING IN THIS REQUEST, BUT, UH, STAFF NOTES, UH, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE U D C AND THE GUIDELINES ARE, THAT'S 50 SQUARE FEET. 
          UH, BUT THEN ALSO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS THE COMMISSION ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS TO APPROVE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, IF THAT'S SCALED APPROPRIATELY OR IF IT'S FOUND TO BE APPROPRIATE PER THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING OR THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE BUILDING THAT IT'S PROPOSED AT. 
          UH, SO STAFF IN THIS, IN THIS INSTANCE, UH, FINDS THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE TO BE APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, THE FACADE, EXCUSE ME, THE FACADE THAT IT'S MOUNTED ON IS, UH, SOMEWHAT LARGER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR AT LEAST IN THE, THE GENERAL VICINITY HERE. 
          UM, WITH THAT AND THE LIGHTING STYLE STAFF FUNDS IS TO BE APPROPRIATE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT MY, UM, OBSERVATION IS ON THIS. 
          IT IS A MODERN BUILDING. 
          UM, ANY OTHER, DO ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE SIGNAGE IS NOT ON CENTER AND IT MIGHT JUST BE A GRAPHIC THING. 
          IS IT INTENDED TO BE A LITTLE OFF CENTER OR IS IT, IS IT GONNA BE ON CENTER? UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, UM, WELL NOW THAT YOU SAY THAT, I WANNA DOUBLE CHECK IT BECAUSE, UM, IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT. 
          UM, IT COULD JUST BE A, A DESIGN, UH, GRAPHIC GLITCH. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST AN ILLUSION AS WELL, BUT THEN I, I JUST NOW WANNA DOUBLE CHECK IT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, I WILL DOUBLE CHECK THAT , BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          OH, GO AHEAD. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
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I'LL SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECONDING DISCUSSION. 
          MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          ZUKA AYE. 
          GIDA AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION
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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 3 79 1 0 5 THROUGH 1 3 13 BROWN STREET, FOUR 15, UH, NORTH MESQUITE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT SIX MULTI-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOTS ADDRESSED AS 1 0 5, 1 0 7, 1 0 9, 1 11, AND ONE 13 BROWN STREET AND FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITE STREET LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THESE LIGHTS ARE BOUNDED BY BROWN STREET TO THE SOUTH, NORTH MESQUITE TO THE EAST BROWN ALLEY TO THE NORTH. 
          EACH OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES WILL FEATURE BETWEEN APPROXIMATELY 23 AND 33 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          AND A PREVIOUS PROPOSAL AT THIS LOCATION WAS APPROVED BY THE H D R C ON OCTOBER THE SECOND 2019. 
          SINCE THAT TIME, THE PROPERTY OWNER DESIGN TEAM AND APPLICANT HAVE CHANGED. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED DUPLEX STRUCTURE HAS BEEN SEPARATED INTO TWO SEPARATE STRUCTURES. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, UM, THERE ARE A FEW STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE STIPULATIONS THAT YOU FIND IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ARE THE SAME AS THEY WERE WITH CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED A DOCUMENT, UH, TO ADDRESS EACH OF THESE STIPULATIONS. 
          SO IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME, IT MAY BE, UH, EASIER FOR US TO WORK THROUGH THE APPLICANT'S DOCUMENT THAT ADDRESSES EACH OF THE STAFF'S STIPULATIONS RATHER THAN ME READING IT AND THEN, UH, GOING OVER THAT AGAIN. 
          SO, UH, WHILE LUISA INTRODUCES HERSELF, I'LL PULL THAT INFORMATION UP. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS LUISA AND UH, WE WANNA GO OVER THE STIPULATIONS. 
          WE ARE OKAY WITH SEVEN OUT OF 14, UH, NO, 11, SORRY. 
          SO WE'RE OKAY WITH STIPULATION 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, AND 10. 
          AND WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, NUMBER 3, 4, 8, AND 11 TO SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          SO PLEASE, PLEASE, WILL YOU REPEAT THAT? UH, NUMBER 3, 4, 8, AND 11 WE'RE OKAY WITH NUMBER 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, AND 10. 
          SO NUMBER THREE, UH, IT'S ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSES. 
          WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO, UH, BY I D C MAXIMUM OF 35 FEET. 
          WE ARE DOING 32 UH, FEET, AND WE, SINCE THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT, WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT ON ALL OF THE HOUSES. 
          SO FAR IT'S BEING A PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE AND WE WERE ABLE TO MEET, UH, A COUPLE TIMES AND, AND INCLUDE ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM, FROM STAFF, BUT THE, THE HEIGHTS WERE DECREASED ON ALL OF THE, THE UNITS AS MUCH AS WE COULD. 
          UM, NUMBER FOUR, IT'S THE OVERHANG ON THE UNIT AT FOUR 50 NORTH MESQUITE. 
          UM, ON THE DRAWINGS, IT KIND OF SHOWS THAT THE ENTIRE SECOND FLOOR IS, UM, WIDER THAN THE FIRST LEVEL. 
          IT'S JUST THE OVERHANG ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, JUST LIKE A BOX WINDOW. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO, YEAH, IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE FLOOR. 
          AND NUMBER EIGHT, IT'S THE LOT COVERAGE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          WE HAVE ONLY TWO OUT OF SIX UNITS THAT GO OVER THE 50% OF LOT, LOT COVERAGE. 
          WE ARE REQUESTING THAT H D R C ALLOWS LOT 25 AND 26 TO SLIGHTLY EXCEED THE 50%. 
          IT'S JUST 51 AND 52%. 
          AND THE REASON IS THIS, THESE LOTS ARE REALLY, REALLY TINY. 
          AND WE OVERALL, UH, IF WE INCLUDE THE, ALL OF THE, THE AVERAGE OF THE SITE, WE ARE UNDER 47.8% OF LOT COVERAGE. 
          AND LASTLY, NUMBER 11, IT'S THE PARKING SPACE. 
          ALTHOUGH I D C DOES NOT REQUIRE INTERIOR PARKING ON PROPERTIES, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO ONE PARKING AT LEAST. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR STIPULATIONS THAT WE CAN TALK TO OVER. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME VOICEMAILS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I'LL PLAY THAT NOW. 
          I, HELLO. 
          MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES, AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNA WHITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 79, LOCATED AT 1 0 5 1 13 
          [01:05:02]
BROWN STREET. 
          WE STRONGLY AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION TO NOT GRANT APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION. 
          AS IT STANDS ONCE AGAIN, ALL 14 STIPULATIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY IGNORED AND DISMISSED BY APPLICANT WHY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WAS EVER GRANTED WITH THIS MANY GUIDELINES, GUIDELINE FAILS AND STIPULATIONS IS NOT GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE. 
          IT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO HAVE TO CONTINUALLY REVIEW AND COMMENT ON CASES THAT DON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO MEET O H P HISTORIC GUIDELINES. 
          THIS IS A WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME. 
          THE PARKING IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF THESE LOTS MAY CAUSE FUTURE ISSUES WITH THE TENANTS WANTING TO UTILIZE THE ONE-WAY ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING LOT FOR INGRESS, EGRESS, OR REGRESS TO THEIR RESIDENT. 
          AS A SUGGESTION TO O H P CASES THAT HAVE MORE THAN FIVE STIPULATIONS SHOULD NEVER BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED. 
          APPLICANTS NEED TO BE TOLD TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND REVIEW O H P GUIDELINES TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF STIPULATIONS FOUND ON CONCEPTUAL APPROVALS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I REPLY? YES, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND JUST TO NOTIFY THE COMMISSION, THOSE STIPULATIONS THAT WE AGREE, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, AND 10 ARE UPDATED ON THE PLANS. 
          AND EDWARD, UH, HAS THE UPDATED PLANS ALREADY. 
          UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE TRIM, THE POST WITH THE TRIMS, THE, UH, NOTES ON THE SIGHTING THAT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES. 
          THOSE PLANS ARE ALREADY UPDATED AND EDWARD HAS THEM. 
          SO COMMISSIONERS, TO CLARIFY, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS GONE AND HAS NOTED ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. 
          UH, SO FOR INSTANCE, UH, IF I GO OVER HERE TO OUR STIPULATIONS, UM, SO NUMBER ONE, THAT ALL ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION, FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITE, INCLUDING PORT, INCLUDING PORCH AND ROOF VALVE MIS FEATURE A SETBACK GREATER THAN THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH. 
          UM, LET ME, SORRY. 
          UM, I'LL PULL THIS UP. 
          UM, SO THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED THOSE HERE. 
          UM, SO, UH, WE CAN WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE, UH, COMMISSIONERS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, UH, COMMENTS. 
          UH, PLEASE STOP ME. 
          UH, SO THE APPLICANT'S NOTED SURVEY DATA LOCATED THE EXISTING HOME AT FOUR 13 NORTH MESQUITE TO BE 7.68 FEET FROM NORTH MESQUITE PROPERTY LINE. 
          UH, SHE NOTES THAT THE SITE AT FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITES PROPOSED AT 10 FEET FROM THE NORTH MESQUITE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, DUE TO AN EASEMENT. 
          UH, STAFF'S PRIMARY, UH, STAFF'S PRIMARY THING HERE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE MASSING OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, IS EITHER EQUAL TO OR GREAT FEATURES AND EQUAL OR GREATER SETBACK THAN THAT OF THE HIS OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UH, LOCATED AT NORTH ON NORTH MESQUITE, UM, HERE, SORRY. 
          UH, OUR ADOBE IS UPDATED AND IT'S THROWING ME OFF A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, SO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED A SETBACK DIAGRAM HERE. 
          UM, THE ONE THING THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED WAS, UH, IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE, UM, AND THIS WAS DISCUSSED SOMEWHAT AT D R C PREVIOUSLY, UM, THERE IS A SLIGHT OVERHANG, UH, FROM OR ON THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          UH, SO WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THAT OVERHANG FOR THE SECOND FLOOR DOES NOT EXCEED PAST, UH, THE, THE MASSING OF THE SINGLE STORY ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UM, NUMBER TWO, THAT THE OVERALL PORCH DESIGN FOR EACH HOUSE BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT, UH, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING DOOR AND WINDOW PROFILES AND PLACEMENT WITHIN PORCHES AND PORCH DEPTH, WHERE PORCH DEPTH IS LESS THAN FIVE FEET. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT EACH PORCH SHOULD FEATURE COLUMNS THAT ARE SIX INCHES SQUARE AND FEATURE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS NOTED THAT PLANS ARE REVISED, UH, TO ADDRESS THE PORCH COLUMN PROFILES. 
          UH, AND WINDOWS ARE ADDED AT PORCHES, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          UM, THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING, UM, IT, IT STAFF IS MORE OR LESS CONSISTENTLY RECOMMENDED, UH, IN NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT, UH, PORCHES TAKE ON THE MASSING OF PORCHES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          THAT IS, IT'S INTEGRAL TO THE MASSING OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, FOR THE MOST PART, AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE THE BUILDING THAT'S PROPOSED ON LOT 25, LOT 24, 26, UH, 27, THOSE ALL FEATURE PORCHES THAT YOU COULD SAY GENERALLY RELATE TO A PORCH THAT YOU WOULD FIND ON A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          THE DEPTH MAY NOT BE THERE, BUT THE LOCATION IN GENERAL RECESS IS THERE. 
          UH, FOR LOT 28, UH, STAFF FINDS THAT ADDITIONAL PORCH MASSING MASSING SHOULD BE ADDED, 
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UH, AS WELL AS FOR THE STRUCTURE THAT FRONTS NORTH MESQUITE, UM, THE PORCH THAT JUST QUITE ISN'T THERE FOR THOSE. 
          UM, NUMBER THREE, UM, THE APPLICANT FIND WAYS TO REDUCE THE OVERALL HEIGHT. 
          UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALSO COMMENTED ON AND STAFF HAS DONE A BIT OF CLARIFICATION IN OUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, THERE ARE WAYS THAT THE APPLICANT COULD POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE HEIGHT, HOWEVER, UH, ONE OF THE, THE MOST DIRECT WAYS TO DO THAT WOULD BE THE REDUCTION IN THE HEIGHT VIA A FLOOR. 
          UH, SO INSTEAD OF THE APPLICANT PROPOSING THREE STORIES THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO, OR IF THERE IS SPACE THAT'S TO BE OCCUPIED ABOVE A SECOND LEVEL, THAT THAT BE SPACE THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE AN ATTIC, UH, FOR AN OCCUPIED ATTIC SPACE, THAT IN ITSELF WOULD REDUCE MASKING. 
          UH, NUMBER FOUR, UM, DID THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE MASKING AND FACADE PROFILE AND THE STRUCTURE ON NORTH MESQUITE? UM, THE, THE APPLICANT SLIGHTLY ADDRESS THAT. 
          UM, WE CAN SEE IT HERE, IT'S JUST THIS, THE, THE SLIGHT BUMP OUTS OR THE OVERHANGS THAT YOU FIND ON THE SECOND LEVEL THAT TYPICALLY AREN'T FOUND, UH, IN HISTORIC MASSING FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIED THE PROPOSED ROOF FORMS. GABLE AND HIP ROOFS FEATURE, OR EXCUSE ME, ARE APPROPRIATE AND ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          HOWEVER, NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD FEATURE ROOF FORMS THAT RELATE IN PROFILE FORM AMASSING TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          UM, IT, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED A SERIES OF HIP AND GABLE ROOFS, HIP AND GABLE ROOFS ARE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S GENERALLY THE COMBINATION OF THE TWO AND THE, UH, ATTEMPT TO ACCOMMODATE MASSING AT A THIRD LEVEL THAT'S INTRODUCED ROOF FORMS THAT MAY BE A BIT ATYPICAL. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          UM, A ONE FOOT TALL FOUNDATION HEIGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO THAT, THAT'S STAFF SIMPLY NEEDING CONFIRMATION ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR THE APP FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, FOR ITEM SEVEN, A SEPARATION OF WINDOWS THAT ARE GROUPED BY MULIAN. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS NOTED THAT HERE, I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT'S ALREADY, UH, ADDRESSED THE LOT COVERAGE, UH, AND, AND IS PRESENTED HER ARGUMENT TO Y'ALL FOR THAT. 
          UM, ITEM NINE OR STIPULATION NINE, THESE ARE STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR MATERIALS. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED, UH, COMPLIANCE OR AGREEMENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR, UH, VERTICALLY ORIENTED SIDING, UM, TO BE IN AB BOARD AND BATTEN FORM, SO THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, NUMBER 10, UM, THE APPLICANT INSTALL WINDOWS THAT ADHERE TO STAFF STANDARDS. 
          UH, SO THE APP APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, UH, APPLY JIM ALUMINUM WINDOW. 
          UM, I LUISA CORRECT HERE, ACTUALLY, THERE MAY BE A, A SPECIFIC, UM, SECTION HERE FOR THAT. 
          UM, THIS WINDOW, I BELIEVE, AND LUISA YOU CAN CLARIFY, IS, IS PROPOSED TO FEATURE A NAILING FIN, UH, COMMISSIONERS WITH THE APPROPRIATE DETAILING. 
          UH, THE NAILING FIN IS SOMETHING THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AS IS IF YOU TYPICALLY INSTALL IT AS IT'S DESIGNED TO BE INSTALLED. 
          UH, AND DON'T ACCOMMODATE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, WINDOW BUILD OUT OR TRIM OR, UH, ADDITIONAL SEPARATION OF THE SIDING MATERIAL FROM THE SHEATHING. 
          THE WINDOW DOESN'T FEATURE THE RECESS THAT IT, THAT A BLOCK FRAME WINDOW WOULD. 
          UH, SO, UH, WINDOWS CAN BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED A A BIT FURTHER. 
          UM, THERE COULD POTENTIALLY COULD BE A WAY TO MAKE THIS WINDOW WORK, BUT THAT DETAIL HASN'T BEEN PROVIDED TO STAFF, SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT SPECIFICALLY ON THAT. 
          NOW, UM, THIS WINDOW, I'LL SAY IN A BLOCK FRAME, HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WITH A UNIQUE DETAIL THAT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL ON OTHER PROJECTS. 
          UM, ITEM 11 IS IN REGARDS TO INTERNAL PARKING. 
          UM, THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. 
          UM, THE COMMISSION, UH, UH, IN THE PAST, UM, HAS DISCUSSED THIS WITH THIS APPLICANT FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT. 
          UH, PARKING HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS ALWAYS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT, WHERE STAFF'S COMMENTING FROM ON THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN I WILL GO BACK TO, UM, I WILL GO BACK TO OUR SPECIFICATIONS. 
          UM, OUR STIPULATIONS, UH, ITEM 12, THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW. 
          UM, THE APPLICANTS ACTUALLY ADDRESS THIS ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET TO THE SITE PLAN. 
          UH, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A, AN INSET YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, WHERE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED, UM, THAT THAT'S AN ADEQUATE LOCATION, UM, TO WHERE IT'D BE SCREENED FROM PRIMARY POINTS OF 
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VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UH, SO WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL GO BACK TO, UM, I WILL GO BACK TO OUR COMMENTS AND IF COMMISSIONERS YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS OR ASK QUESTIONS ON ONE OF THOSE SPECIFICALLY, UH, STAFF CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I ACTUALLY WANNA DO A MOTION. 
          ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE'RE MOTION, UH, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVILLA, UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT REGARDING STIPULATION NUMBER EIGHT AND THE LOT COVERAGE, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE ASKING US TO WAIVE THE 50% ON TWO OF THE UNITS OR THREE OF THE UNITS. 
          UM, WAS THERE ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO SHAVE OFF A COUPLE OF FEET TO GET THAT? MY, MY ARCHITECT REALLY TRIED MM-HMM. 
          ? YEAH, WE, WE, 'CAUSE WE DECREASED AS MUCH THE OTHER LOTS AS MUCH AS WE COULD MM-HMM. 
          , AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I HAVE IT HERE ON MY, ON MY NOTES, WE WERE ABLE TO DECREASE THOSE LOTS AS WELL. 
          SO WE DECREASED FROM, UM, SORRY, LET ME FIND MY NOTES. 
          IS THIS LOT 24, I MEAN 25, 26 OR 26 AND 27? TELL ME WHICH LOTS THOSE WERE, THAT WERE EXCEEDING 25 AND 26, 25 AND 26. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE COULD NOT, WE DE UM, PREVIOUSLY ON 20 LOT 24, WE HAD 55, SO WE WERE ABLE TO DECREASE IT TO 52. 
          BUT THE, OKAY. 
          SO, BUT WE'RE STILL, EVEN THOUGH, UM, OKAY. 
          UH, THE OTHER QUESTION. 
          YEAH, WE WERE REALLY CLOSE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, REGARDING STIPULATION NUMBER 11, AND I UNDERSTAND IN THIS SITUATION, A SEPARATE OR DETACHED PARKING IS REALLY, UM, PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN VERY EASILY. 
          UH, COULD HAPPEN, COULD HAPPEN, BUT AT THIS POINT, PROBABLY NOT VERY EASILY. 
          UM, BUT WITH THAT IN MIND, HAVE YOU MADE ANY CHANGES FROM THE PARKING COUNT AND THE PARKING PLACES THAT YOU HAD FROM THE LAST HEARING? NO, WE ARE KEEPING WHAT WE, THE, THE PLA THE PLANS WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE PARKING. 
          OKAY. 
          AT LEAST FOR ONE CAR. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HAVE YOU REDUCED THE OCCUPA, LET'S SEE, OCCUPIABLE SPACE OR THE USABLE SPACE? UM, I THINK PART OF THE CON CONCERNS WE HAD WITH THE PARKING AND THE LIMITED PARKING WAS THAT WE HAD SO MANY BEDROOMS AND USABLE SPACES THAT THESE HOUSES WOULD PROBABLY BE USED BY LOTS OF PEOPLE. 
          UM, HAVE THERE, HAS THERE BEEN A REDUCTION IN BEDROOMS FROM SAY FOUR? NO, FIVE TO THREE? WE HAVE THREE, THREE BEDROOMS IN THE BA IN ALL OF THE HOUSES. 
          AND WE HAVE A FAMILY ROOM THAT IS NOT COUNTING LIKE A BEDROOM BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A CLOSET ON THE, UH, TWO AND A HALF FLOOR ON THE ROOF, BUT YEAH, THREE BEDROOMS. OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S A, THE, THE, THE PARKING IS THE SAME AND THE OCCUPANCY IS ABOUT THE SAME TOO? YES. 
          THREE BEDROOM, ONE PARKING, BUT SOME OF THEM HAVE FOUR BEDROOMS. RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST, UH, IF I BELIEVE IT'S ONLY THE FOURTH BEDROOM IS JUST A FAMILY ROOM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY ON ALL OF THEM. 
          NO, I SEE ONE THAT HAS A BEDROOM ON THE GROUND FLOOR, BEDROOM ONE, THEN A BEDROOM TWO, BEDROOM THREE, AND THEN A MASTER SUITE, AND THEN THE FAMILY ROOM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S FOUR. 
          SO A COUPLE UNITS WITH FOUR BEDROOMS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          APOLOGIZE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE HEIGHT. 
          AND I KNOW YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE COMMISSION AND YOUR ARCHITECT IN, UH, TRYING TO GET THE OVERALL MASSING AND HEIGHT TO DOWN. 
          UM, I SEE THAT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED THIS IN DRCS, BUT I SEE THAT THE PLATE HEIGHT ON THE, WHAT YOU'RE CALLING THE SECOND AND A HALF FLOOR MM-HMM. 
          , WHAT SOME, WHAT OTHERS ARE CALLING THIRD FLOOR IS EIGHT FEET. 
          YES. 
          UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO REDUCE THAT TO SEVEN FEET AND THEN HAVE A, UH, SORT OF A CATHEDRAL CEILING FOLLOWING THE ROOF FRAMING TO GET YOU SOME MORE CEILING HEIGHT IN THOSE SPACES? THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MY ARCHITECT. 
          IT'S BEING, UH, WE, WE'VE CHANGED THE, THE ROOF LINE ALREADY THREE TIMES TRYING TO DECREASE THE HEIGHT. 
          WE WENT FROM A SHRED ROOF TO GABLE ROOF NOW TO HEAT ROOF, TO TRY TO CONTENT THE HEIGHT AS MUCH AS WE COULD. 
          SO IT WOULD BE ANOTHER CHANGE, UH, FOR, FROM OUR ARCHITECT TO SEE IF EVEN IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF, IF WE COULD, 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE STAIRS, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN CUT THAT, THAT 
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SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, BUT I, BUT I KNOW I, I'VE MENTIONED HIM A COUPLE TIMES TO MAKE THEM AS, AS SMALL AS HE CAN AND, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DECREASE EVENTUALLY, BUT NOT SUBSTANTIALLY TO GO BELOW 32 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS HAVING THE, UH, FULL HEIGHT, UH, CEILING OVER THE STAIRWELL YES. 
          TO THAT SECOND AND A HALF FLOOR. 
          AND TYPICALLY SECOND AND A HALF FLOORS ARE IN ATTIC SPACES, AND THOSE STAIRS ARE INTERIOR. 
          AND SO, UH, WE WOULD ASK YOU TO STUDY IF YOU COULD, UH, INSTEAD OF HAVING A, UM, HIP ROOF OVER THOSE STAIRWELLS, IF THEY COULD, UH, BE REFRAMED TO HAVE A SLOPED ROOF, A SHED ROOF. 
          I, I DID SHARE THE CONCERN TO WITH THE ARCHITECT, AND HE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY THAT IT, IT'S UP TO CODE AND, AND JUST, SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS THE BEST WE COULD DO AND HEIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. 
          JUST FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU PLEASE NAME THE ARCHITECT? I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR. 
          CAN YOU NAME THE ARCHITECT PLEASE? UH, EDUARDO FLORES. 
          AND, OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER GROUP? YES, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS TO, UH, D R C. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          AND THEN, UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU'RE SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS, YOU, YOU, YOU COMPLY WITH MM-HMM. 
          , BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING FINAL APPROVAL WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY, EVEN THOUGH STAFF, UM, HAS COMMENTED VERY WELL. 
          THANK YOU MR. EDWARD, BECAUSE YOU, I THINK YOU DID A VERY WELL PRESENTATION, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT FINAL YET. 
          AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THESE CONCERNS AND SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS HAVE NOT BEEN MET YET, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE, UM, CHANGED THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A D R C, BUT I FEEL LIKE, AND THIS IS KIND OF ALSO JUST THE PROCESS IN GENERAL IS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ASK AND THERE'S SO MANY STIPULATIONS, IT'S BETTER TO JUST WAIT FOR THE NEXT MEETING, GIVE US THE UPDATED SO STAFF CAN ACTUALLY ALSO COMMENT ON THOSE STIPULATIONS WITHOUT HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, SPEND 10 MINUTES HERE. 
          AND, AND, AND THE PUBLIC'S TIME, I, UM, I THINK STIPULATION ONE STAFF WAS VERY CLEAR IS ABOUT THE PORCH AND ROOF ELEMENTS. 
          I AGREE WITH HIM. 
          THERE'S SOME ROOF ELEMENTS AND I THINK GOES WITH THIS CONVERSATION THAT MR. FETZER ALSO AGREED WITH YOU. 
          UM, I MEANS MR. FETZER JUST, UH, COMMENTED ON, I THINK, UH, STIPULATION TWO STAFF MADE IT VERY CLEAR ON LOT 28. 
          I GUESS THERE STILL HAS SOME PORCH STEP THERE, SOME MORE PORCH STUDIES TO DO THERE. 
          UH, STIPULATION, WELL, ACTUALLY ON STIPULATION ONE, I AGREE WITH STAFF ON THE MASSING OF THIS PROPERTY VERSUS THE HISTORIC, UH, PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY THERE ON FOUR 13 OR FOUR 15. 
          AND ACTUALLY I THINK THE DRIVEWAY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THE CAR CAN MAKE A TURN IN THAT DRIVEWAY INTO THAT INTERNAL PARKING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE STUDIED THAT AND MADE SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE BROWN ALLEY IS AN ALLEY. 
          IT'S NOT A, I MEAN, IT'S NOT REALLY A STREET YET. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE CREATING A TURN INTO, UH, THE HOUSE WITHIN THE LOT. 
          I DON'T WANT YOU TO USE STREET. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE ALLEY, THE ALLEY HAS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND IT'S APPROVED ALREADY BY STREETS AT CITY LEVEL. 
          AND THE PLAT IS ALREADY APPROVED. 
          SO THE, THE ENGINEERING FOR, FOR THAT TURN IS ALREADY APPROVED BY THE CITY. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT A CAR CAN MAKE A TURN ON THAT SEVEN FOOT DRIVEWAY INTO THE GARAGE? YES. 
          WITHOUT USING THE STREET. 
          THE WHAT STREET? MESQUITE BROWN ALLEY OR THE ALLEY BROWN ALLEY? YES. 
          THE ENGINEER HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, MINOR DETAIL BECAUSE, WELL, I THINK Y'ALL MAY BE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UH, LUISA IS COMMENTING THAT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A PERMIT APPROVED FOR A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT TO BROWN ALLEY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY PAVE BROWN ALLEY TO MAKE THAT ACCESSIBLE FOR AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE. 
          I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER GRU IS ASKING IS, IF I'M DRIVING DOWN BROWN ALLEY CANNOT REASONABLY TURN INTO THIS CARPORT SPACE. 
          YES. 
          WELL ACTUALLY YOU'RE DRIVING ON THE BLUE AREA. 
          SO IF WE'RE GONNA PAVE THIS AND THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK MAYBE, OR THERE'LL BE A CURB CUT, WELL, YOU CAN CONTROL THAT. 
          THE CITY, IT'S REALLY JUST GONNA BE CITY YES. 
          PUBLIC SPACE. 
          SO BASICALLY ON THAT MESQUITE, IS IT FOUR 15 OR FOUR 13? FOUR 15. 
          FOUR 15 MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO YOU'RE DRIVING ALONG THE HOUSE ON THAT SEVEN FOOT SETBACK AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE A TURN INTO THE GARAGE. 
          YES. 
          THE ALLEY, IT'S 14. 
          WE DEDICATE ONE FOOT, SO WE MADE IT, MADE IT 15 AND THEN IT'S OUR SETBACK. 
          SEVEN FEET. 
          I GUESS I'M NOT, MY MESSAGE'S NOT GOING THROUGH, BUT I THINK STILL IT GOES WITH THAT COMMENT. 
          AND IT STILL ALSO GOES WITH THE INTERNAL PARKING. 
          I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT. 
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AND ON STIPULATION THREE, OVERALL HEIGHT, I THINK EVERY, I THINK THIS IS NOT ALSO STAFF HAD SOME COMMENTS ON IT, LOWER THE PLATE HEIGHTS, REDUCING THE ROOF, OR WHETHER YOU ARCHITECT DOESN'T WANNA DO IT, IT IS BIG HOMES FOR SMALL LOTS. 
          SO I DO THINK THAT YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND CONSIDER MAKING THEM SMALLER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ON STIPULATION FIVE, THOSE ARE THE ROOF FORMS THAT WE DISCUSSED. 
          STIPULATION, I MEAN, GUESS FOUR, SOME OF THEM I UNDERSTAND YOU MEANT. 
          AND THEN ON STIPULATION EIGHT, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE COUNTING ALSO ALL NONPERMEABLE AREA ON THE LOT. 
          YES. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE, IF YOU HAVE THOSE MEASUREMENTS LIKE TOTAL BUILD GREEN SPACE AND WHAT THE DRIVEWAY SHOULD BE ON THE PLANS, WE HAVE A TABLE THAT SHOWS THAT AND THAT IT'S NOT INCLUDING THE LOT IN FRONT OF, OF MESQUITE THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE'RE NOT COUNTING THAT GREEN SPACE OR EMPTY SPACE. 
          SO THOSE PERCENTAGE ARE NOT INCLUDING THE EXTRA LOT THAT WE HAVE ACROSS BROWN ALLEY. 
          BUT ON THE PLANS, WE DO HAVE A TABLE THAT SHOW LANDSCAPING COVER PERCENTAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND, AND THAT'S THE THING, IT'S IN THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE PARKING WAS GONNA BE, RIGHT? IT WAS ON THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          IT'S, THEY HAD GARAGE AND MUCH SMALLER HOMES. 
          THEY HAD GARAGE, NOT INTERNAL DE DUTCHED. 
          I THINK SOME OF THEM HAVE, THEY THEY DO. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          REALLY APPROVING FOR FINAL WITH ALL THESE STIPULATIONS. 
          STILL NOT ALL MET MR. CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UM, KIND OF ENGAGE A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH THE COMMISSION HERE. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT, WHAT THE PROJECT DEMONSTRATES IS THAT YOU CAN CHECK ALL THE BOXES AND THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY AMOUNT TO A DESIGN THAT IS HOLISTICALLY DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA, ALTHOUGH IT CAN MEET THE, THE DIFFERENT POINTS, THE, THE PROBLEM WITH IT AND THAT IT SEEMS IN THIS PROJECT, THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS THAT IT, IT AMOUNTS TO LIKE A FRANKENSTEIN. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A MATH PROBLEM THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO FIGURE OUT AND THEY FIGURE IT OUT, BUT IT DOESN'T MEET AN AESTHETIC THAT SEEMS BALANCED. 
          AND THE PROBLEM WITH IT, IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA, BUT, BUT I THINK PART OF IT IS THAT IT GETS, IT GETS IN FRONT OF US AND MAYBE THE, THE BETTER, THE BETTER CIRCUMSTANCES TO BE MORE DIRECT ABOUT, UH, UM, WHAT IS EXPECTED IN A, IN A, UM, IN A LOT SIZE AND IN A, IN AN, AN ENVIRONMENT SUCH AS THIS WHERE ACCESS IS IN THROUGH, UH, A SECONDARY, UH, MEANS OF EGRESS IN AND, UM, INGRESS, IT, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THERE'S NOT A SOLUTION THAT WILL MEET THE CRITERIA THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN FRONT OF THIS PROJECT. 
          SO, SO THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD GO FOR A CONTINUANCE, IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT IN TWO WEEKS A PERSON IS GOING TO FIRST MAKE THE DECISION TO SCRAP THE DRAWINGS AND COME UP WITH IT AND GET 'EM TO AN ARCHITECT WHERE THEY CAN COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AND, AND, AND BE REVIEWED. 
          THINK THE, THE, JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE LOT IS BEING UTILIZED MEETING, UH, CODE, BUT CODE HAS CHANGED SO MUCH AND THERE ARE HOUSES LIKE THESE THAT ARE POPPING UP THAT SEEM TO BE NOT DRIVEN BY A, ANY, ANYTHING THAT I, I RECOGNIZE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THERE ARE THESE ROOF, THESE THESE BOX OUTSETS THAT ARE KIND OF REMINISCENT OF STAIRCASE OUTSETS THAT YOU OUTSETS THAT JUST HAPPEN. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE IT SEEMS THAT THEY'RE JUST THERE. 
          AND THEN THEIR ROOF SOLUTIONS, LIKE THE YOUNG LADY WAS SAYING THAT THEY HAD A DIFFERENT ROOF AND THEN THEY GOT COMMENTS AND THE ROOF CHANGED. 
          IT, IT, IT SEEMS THAT MAYBE WE'VE PUSHED ON IT TO MAKE IT COME BECOME SOMETHING THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT IT'S GONNA MEET THE CRITERIA WHEN, WHEN MAYBE THE MAIN OBJECTIVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO ADDRESS SOLELY THE MASSING IN, IN THE WAY THAT, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, JUST TO USE THE RIVER ROAD, UH, UH, PROJECT WHERE THEY, THEY CAME BACK AND BACK AND BACK BECAUSE THE MASSING WAS NEVER DEALT WITH. 
          SO MONICA ASKED A VERY, UH, POLITE, UH, QUESTION ABOUT, UM, WHETHER THEY COULD GET MORE, COULD GET MORE. 
          BUT THAT BEGINS WHEN YOU PUT THE PENCIL ON THE PAPER. 
          IT, IT DOESN'T BEGIN WHEN YOU START SHAVING. 
          IT BEGINS WHEN, WHEN THE CRITERIA IS SET TO SAY THAT THE LOT WILL, WILL ONLY SPONSOR THIS MUCH SPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, OTHER 
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COMMENTS? YOU HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          NAYYY. 
          ZUKO AYE. 
          GIADA AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 84 3 15 REFUGIO, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, MODIFY THE FENESTRATION ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, AND TWO, CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 764 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY REAR EDITION ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATION TO THE REAR ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE PROPOSAL TO FEATURE A DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS ONLY, AND THAT THE FIXED TRANSOM LIKE WINDOWS ARE NOT INSTALLED ABOVE THE DOOR OPENING AND UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWING MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT DOOR AND SIDELIGHTS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A A FULLY WOOD DOOR AND FULLY WOOD SIDELIGHTS WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE. 
          ITEM TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS E THROUGH R. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT MEET THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HT R C ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE REAR ADDITION AND PROPOSES A REAR ADDITION THAT DOES NOT EXTEND BEYOND THE FRONT FACADE. 
          BASED ON FINDING F, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION, TRADITIONAL FENESTRATION ON THE SECOND STORY OF THE FRONT FACADE AND ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          BASED ON FINDING K, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C THREE THAT A DETACHED GARAGE OR PARKING AREA IS UTILIZED IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED FRONT FACING ATTACHED GARAGE BASED ON FINDING O FOUR, THAT THE DRIVEWAY APRON DOES NOT EXCEED 12 FEET IN WIDTH. 
          BASED ON FINDING P THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H T R C FIVE THAT ANY LANDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS ARE SUBMITTED IN A SEPARATE APPLICATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE START OF ANY LANDSCAPING WORK BASED ON FINDING R AND SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. 
          AND THE APPLICANT, DAVID HANNON, IS WITH US IN PERSON. 
          UH, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS REQUEST. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, MY NAME IS DAVID HANNON. 
          I'M WITH FISHER HACK ARCHITECTS AND I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE. 
          UM, I WANT TO ADDRESS, UM, NUMBER 2.4. 
          THAT'S THE EASY ONE. 
          WE, WE WILL ADJUST THE DRIVEWAY, UM, CURB CUT TO 12 FEET. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          UM, GOING BACK TO ITEMS 1.1 AND 1.2, UM, THE APP, THE OWNERS WOULD STILL LIKE TO KEEP THE WINDOWS AS DESIGNED, UM, WITH THE TRANSOM BECAUSE THAT VIEW GIVES THEM THE VIEW OF THE, OF THE TOWER. 
          AND, UM, THE HOUSE DOES, HAS, DOES HAVE PRECEDENT NOW THAT THE FRONT DOORS DO HAVE TRANSOM WINDOWS ON THEM. 
          SO HAVING A TRANSFER ABOVE A DOOR ISN'T COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE HOUSE. 
          UM, BUT I COULD, I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S A LARGER OPENING THAN, UM, THAN HIS CHARACTERS, THAN THE REST OF THE HOUSE HAS. 
          BUT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON KEEPING THAT AS DESIGNED. 
          MR. CHAIR, I HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          UH, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MR. HANNAH? AS FAR AS ITEMS NUMBER TWO THROUGH THREE, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THOSE DURING THE CONS, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL PHASE, AND SO WE'VE, UM, WE'VE OUTLINED RESPONSES BACK TO STAFF ON THOSE. 
          UM, WE DO FEEL, UM, LIKE IT'S, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE ADDITION DOES NOT EXCEED THE FRONT FACADE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, UH, UH, NUMBER ONE, UM, NUMBER TWO OR ITEM 2.2, WE DID MODIFY, UM, SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND SIDE FACADES, UH, TO BE MORE IN CHARACTER WITH WHAT THE EXISTING HOUSE HAS. 
          UH, WE'RE STILL KEEPING THE, THE VERTICAL FENESTRATION BETWEEN THE HOUSE, UH, BETWEEN THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE GARAGE. 
          AND THAT GOES TO THE POINT, UM, THAT KIND OF PLAYS INTO ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH THE REQUEST TO TRY TO MAKE THIS GARAGE LOOK LIKE IT'S DETACHED FROM THE HOUSE. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY CONSIDERING THAT AS KIND OF A 
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TRANSITION PIECE, A TRANSITION MATERIAL TO HELP DISTINGUISH THAT GARAGE FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, THE ROOF ALSO I THINK, KIND OF HELPS IN THAT REGARD IN THAT, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT TRANSITION MATERIAL FROM THE, UH, SECOND FLOOR EDITION, UH, THAT'S ON TOP. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK, UM, ON THOSE ITEMS TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, I, I I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, VERY, UM, UM, WELL ARTICULATED IN, IN TERMS OF THE WEST ELEVATION. 
          I MEAN, THE FIRST THING THAT I THOUGHT WHEN I SAW THAT WAS IT DOES EXACTLY THAT NOW WHEN WE GET TO THE EAST ELEVATION. 
          SEE, MAYBE YOU COULD SPEAK TO, TO THE, THE, UM, ALTERATION OR WHAT, WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN ALTERATION OF THE BLUE FACADE ON THIS SIDE, AND THEN THE, THE LARGE EXPANSE OF, OF, UM, OF GLASS THAT'S IN THE CENTER, AND HOW YOU, HOW YOU FEEL THAT THAT WHY THAT FITS INTO WHAT SEEMS TO BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER THREE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE WELL, WELL PROPORTIONED. 
          AND IT SEEMS THAT THE BACKSIDE HAS A A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, IT KIND OF BREAKS YOUR OWN RULES IN A WAY, RIGHT? SO THE, THE, THE LARGE GLASS WALL, UH, UH, FOCUS ON THE, THE ONE IN THE BLUE ELEVATION FIRST. 
          UM, SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE, THERE IS A, UM, A HEAVY, UH, UH, DESIRE TO HAVE A, A NICE VIEW FROM THAT ROOM, UH, TOWARDS THE TOWER. 
          AND SO, UM, WE'RE, WE TRIED TO EXPAND THE OPENING THAT'S THERE NOW, UM, AS MUCH AS WE COULD, UM, WHILE STILL REMAINING KIND OF PROPORTION TO THAT OVERALL PROFILE OF THAT GABLE, THAT GABLE WALL. 
          UM, AND AS FAR AS THE LARGE GLASS, UH, PARTITION WALL, UM, TO THE LEFT, UM, THE OWNERS ARE PLANNING TO DO A LOT OF ENTERTAINING. 
          AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT THIS WHOLE WALL WOULD, YOU KNOW, OPEN AND CLOSE. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO IN A PORTION OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT USED TO BE A PORCH. 
          AND SO THERE WEREN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS OR ANYTHING HERE ORIGINALLY. 
          SO WE WE'RE, WE KIND OF FEEL LIKE THE ADDITION HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN ITS FENESTRATION THAN THE FENESTRATION THAT'S ON THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          WELL, WELL NOW IF IT, I IMAGINE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A ROOM, UH, RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE, THE, THE LARGE, UH, FACADE OF WINDOWS AND, AND THE, AND THE DOOR. 
          WOULDN'T THE TWO GIVE YOU THE SAME, UH, UH, VISUAL TO THE HEMISPHERE? WELL, TECHNICALLY THERE ARE, THERE ARE SEPARATE, THERE ARE SEPARATE ROOMS. UM, BUT I, I SEE YOUR POINT IN THAT, UM, THE, THE LARGE GLASS WALL WOULD GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, A NICE VIEW, UM, TO THE, TO THE TOWER. 
          UM, IT, IT, IT TO, TO, IT JUST SEEMS THAT, THAT IT IS A LOT OF IT IS A LITTLE OUT OF BALANCE AND IT'S CAUSED BY THE DESIRE TO GET THAT OUT OF THAT BLUE WALL. 
          UM, AND IT BREAKS A RULE THAT YOU DIDN'T BREAK ANYWHERE ELSE OF, OF THE RULES THAT YOU PRESENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT, UH, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT, HUH? THERE ARE QUESTIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT, UH, TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE, UH, THE BLUE FACADE IN THE ELEVATION THAT IS THE EAST ELEVATION, THAT IT, THAT IT, IT GO FOR A REDESIGN AND BROUGHT TO COMMISSION AS A, AS A, AS A STANDALONE ITEM IN A CONTINUANCE TO CLARIFY WHICH STIPULATIONS YES, NO, AS PRESENTED AS PRESENTED WELL THAT, SO STAFF STIPULATIONS? NO, NO, I, IT, IT, IT'S A HOLISTIC DESIGN. 
          IT, IT, IT RESPECTFUL OF THE DESIGNER THAT, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE LAST ONE. 
          WE COULD START CHANGING THINGS AND START MAKING IT LOOK LIKE FRANKENSTEIN. 
          BUT THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT THAT IS PRESENTED A PARTICULAR WAY. 
          I WANNA SEE IF I CAN GET A MAJORITY VOTE TO APPROVE IT AS IT IS PROVIDED THAT THERE'S THE, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO BRING BACK THAT EAST BLUE FACADE AND REWORK THAT SO THAT THE WHOLE THING SEEMS HOLISTIC IN ITS FOUR ELEVATIONS. 
          THIS ONE, IT SEEMS TO BREAK HIS OWN RULES AND, AND, AND HE'S STILL GETTING A VIEW OF THE HEMISPHERE. 
          PERHAPS THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO, TO ALLOW THAT 
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BLUE FACADE TO, YEAH. 
          LET'S SEE IF WE GET A, A SECOND FOR, I, I NEED, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ENOUGH FOR STAFF BECAUSE I'LL SECOND WAIT. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          SORRY. 
          THE CAN STAFF, WILL YOU ACCEPT THE MOTION? I MEAN, IT'S FINAL AND IT'S GONNA BE UP TO YOU. 
          YEAH, IT'S A VALID MOTION. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN, IN COMMENT, MR. CHAIR, JUST THE ONE ONE COMMENT RELATED TO THE BLUE WALL, IF WE LOOK, IF, IF STAFF CAN GO TO A 200, IT'S A VERY WELL BALANCED, UH, UH, PROJECT. 
          IT, IT IS NOT STEPPING TOWARD FALSE HISTORICISM. 
          IT, IT CLEARLY IS MAKING A STATEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO ERAS. 
          BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE EAST ELEVATION, HE'S A, THEY'VE ESTABLISHED A PARTICULAR RULE THAT IN THIS CASE, THROUGH CREATIVE LICENSE, THEY BROKE THEIR OWN RULE. 
          IT, IT, IT APPEARS THAT THE ONLY REAL, UH, UM, UH, SHADOW OF THE PAST EXISTS IN THAT BLUE FACADE. 
          AND IT, AND, AND IT, IT, IN ORDER FOR THIS TO, TO GET CLOSER TO WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED A PERFECT PROJECT, THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW THAT, THAT SHADOW OF THE PAST TO EXIST IN THE EAST FACADE. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY FACADE THAT IT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. 
          SO RESPECT, RESPECTING THE, THE DESIGNER'S, UM, INTENT, IT SEEMS THAT, UM, APPROVING IT AS PRESENTED SO THAT THEY GET, UH, TO, TO, TO HAVE THIS LITTLE MASTERPIECE CONSTRUCTED. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE THEY'LL CONSIDER, UM, OR THAT THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE PUT IN A POSITION TO BE CONSISTENT, AT LEAST WITHIN THE EAST ELEVATION AND, UM, REDESIGN AND BRING THAT FACADE BACK TO US. 
          THAT'S MY RATIONALE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WAS NOT IN THE MOTION, THAT WAS CLEAR TO ME. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING BECAUSE HE'S ASKING FOR REDESIGN OF THE EAST EL EL ELEVATION AND THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO US. 
          YES. 
          ON THAT SECOND, THE BLUE THAT TO THE, SO I, YOU WANNA ADD THAT TO THE MOTION? YES, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GRUBY. 
          YES, I WOULD ADD THAT TO THE MOTION SECOND STANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? YES. 
          UM, I WILL, YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE EFFECT. 
          UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE CONCEPTUAL PART OF IT, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAVE PRESENTED STILL SHOULD BE MET. 
          UM, I CAN, I CAN ACCEPT THE TRANSOM LIKE WINDOWS, UH, ON ITEM ONE AS PRESENTED, BUT, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS SHOULD STILL BE THERE BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          ON ITEM TWO I I, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD ALREADY JUSTIFIED STIPULATION ONE. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. 
          UM, WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE IT'S VISUALLY LESS FROM THE FRONT OR WHAT, AND THEN THE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE FRONT PARKING. 
          UM, IT'S JUST, I'M STILL, I, I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ABOUT THE FRONT PARKING, YOU'RE, YOU, I LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING THE WINDOWS AND KIND OF SEPARATE. 
          IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A DETACHED. 
          AND I'M NOT LIKE SAYING IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY DETACHED, BUT IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN EVEN MORE NOT CREATE THAT FRONT PARKING, WHICH IT WILL CREATE? 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY ROOM FOR ONE CAR. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, I THINK THE OTHER STIPULATION SHOULD ALSO STILL BE THERE IN THE MOTION BECAUSE STIPULATION FOR YOU AGREE TO STIPULATION FIVE, UM, THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING, UM, WHICH WAS NOT PRESENTED TODAY. 
          AND THEN STIPULATION SIX SHOULD ALSO BE THERE. 
          SO FOR THAT REASON, I'LL NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS NAY CASTILLO NAY SAVINO NAY. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MOOKA NAYYY GUDA NAYYY GROUP. 
          NAYYY CERVANTES. 
          YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER NAYYY MOTION FAILS. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          I MEAN, I'LL DO THE MOTION OR GIVE THE OPTION FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK MAYBE, UM, WITH A COMMENT IF THERE'S SOME REVISED DRAWINGS OR, I MEAN, I'LL SAY THE MOTION, UM, WOULD BE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE WITH STIPULATION TWO. 
          AND I JUST DON'T WANNA DO A DENIAL ON ITEM TWO. 
          UM, I GUESS I CAN DO A RECOMMEND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SORRY, 
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BECAUSE IF I RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THIS POPULATION ONE AND TWO, I WOULD STILL ASK FOR HIM TO COME BACK. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA RECOMMEND AN APPROVAL. 
          YOU, YOU CAN CLARIFY IF YOU'RE WANTING ANY DETAIL TO RETURN TO THE COMMISSION FOR ADDITIONAL APPROVALS. 
          I'M THINKING, I MEAN, OKAY. 
          I, I APPROVE ITEM ONE WITH STIPULATION TWO AND APPROVE ITEM TWO WITH ALL STIPULATIONS, UM, AND ASKING THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH I COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          YES. 
          COULD WE TAKE ITEM TWO AND CONTINUE THAT TO A D R C? WELL, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANTED MAYBE TO GO HAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN A D R C. 
          YEAH, I THINK I WAS TRYING TO GO THAT WAY. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHY I DIDN'T WANNA GIVE AN APPROVAL. 
          DENIAL WOULD A CHANCE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, START AGAIN, APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH STIPULATION TWO AND MOVE ITEM NUMBER TWO TO D R C SECOND MOTION, AND SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY TO THE APPLICANT, I THINK I PROBABLY JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE RE EDITION. 
          MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO MAKE THIS LESS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, BUT, UM, IT, IT'S SPECIFICALLY ON THE GARAGE PART THAT'S BORED FROM ME. 
          UM, AND, AND I THINK THE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION MIGHT EVEN HELP WITH THAT, WHICH IS STIPULATION TOO, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UM, I, I AGREE THAT THE ADDITION IS THE, IS THE KICKER IN THIS AND THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE, UH, THE MASSING AND HOW IT'S BEEN EXPRESSED AS WELL AS THE DETAILS. 
          SO, UM, UH, I THINK IT, IF IT CAN BE DONE, UM, IT WOULD WORK OUT REALLY WELL. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A VERY MODERN PROGRAM INTO A VERY HISTORIC HOUSE, AND SO RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, IT IS AWKWARD, BUT I THINK THAT CAN BE RELATIVELY EASILY MITIGATED WITH SOME, A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, AS I SAW THIS, THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT ABOUT WAS LIKE, WHOA, HEY, THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG ADDITION IN THE BACK. 
          IS IT GONNA OVERPOWER THE HISTORICAL PART OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE? AND AS I KEPT LOOKING AT IT, I WAS LIKE, UH, MAYBE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF, YOU PUT SOME EFFORT IN THERE. 
          I THINK IT LOOKS, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT I, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IN THAT MAYBE SOME TWEAKING TO KIND OF GET IT TO NOT OVERPOWER AS MUCH AT FIRST GLANCE, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. 
          AND AS, AS I MENTIONED IN THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, UM, THE SPRING LINE FOR THE ROOF IS RIGHT AT SIX FOOT EIGHT, WHICH IS MINIMUM PER CODE. 
          SO LOWERING THE ROOF REALLY ISN'T AN OPTION WITHOUT GETTING RID OF THE WHOLE SECOND FLOOR TO BEGIN WITH. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE THE, THE LOT IS SO SHALLOW MOVING IT, YOU KNOW, FURTHER BACK IS, IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT AS WELL. 
          SORRY, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE HISTORICAL HOMES HAD 11 FOOT CEILINGS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING INTO THE ADDITION? NO, SO THE, THE SPRING LINE AT THE SECOND FLOOR LEVEL IS RIGHT AT SIX FOOT EIGHT. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE UPSTAIRS, THE CEILING STARTS AT SIX FOOT EIGHT AND THEN GOES UP FROM THERE. 
          SO WE REALLY CAN'T LOWER IT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, IS YOUR CEILING HEIGHT IN THE ADDITION THE SAME AS IN DIRECT HOME? ONLY ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          UM, BUT THE, THEY'RE THE SAME, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          MISS MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          UM, I JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T WANT TO, UH, UH, GIVE MY SUPPORT TO THE MOTION. 
          UH, THE, UM, WELL-DESIGNED PROJECTS ARE WHAT END UP BEING THE EXAMPLES FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AND THEY DRIVE BY AND THEY LOOK AT SOMETHING AND THEY TELL THEIR ARCHITECT, UH, I WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THAT. 
          SO WELL-DESIGNED PROJECT IS A, IS A, IS REALLY, IT CONTRIBUTES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPE IN SUCH A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, TODAY AS WE DO OUR WORK, WE FIND OURSELVES IN THE COMMUNITY LOOKING AT BUILDINGS AND SAYING, WELL, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? AND IT'S LIKE, THE OTHER PROJECT, WELL, WELL, WE SEND SOMETHING TO A D R C AND WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT TO, UM, SAY THAT IT, THAT IT'S A GOOD THING TO BE QUALIFIED OR UNQUALIFIED, BUT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, WHEN, WHEN THE, WHEN THERE'S A TEACHER IN THE ROOM AND, AND, AND THE STUDENTS ARE ARE, ARE READING THE BOOK AND TELLING THE TEACHER WHAT THE FACTS ARE, IT, IT'S SOMETIMES THAT 
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THAT'S A LITTLE BACKWARDS. 
          UM, THESE QUALIFIED DESIGNERS, UH, I THINK THE, THE STATEMENT THAT HE JUST MADE ABOUT THE SIX EIGHT PLATE HEIGHT, THAT THAT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IF THEY'RE IN THE SAME CEILING HEIGHTS ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, IS, IS A SKILLED, UM, WAY OF MITIGATING THE CIRCUMSTANCE BEFORE IT COMES TO THIS COMMISSION. 
          SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER IF HE HAD PUT THE PLATE HEIGHT AT EIGHT FEET, THEN HE COULD HAVE MOVED IT TO SIX EIGHT, AND THEN WOULD WE BE OKAY? SO JUST, JUST, JUST WANT TO, UH, UH, EMPHASIZE THAT, THAT, UM, IT'S THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE THE PROJECTS THAT BECOME THE EXAMPLE IN THE LANDSCAPE THAT ARE WELL DESIGNED PROJECTS. 
          MR. CHAIR, I, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I MIGHT HAVE TO RETRACT MY SECOND JUST BASED ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          RETRACTED A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          NICK ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          AVADA AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? NO. 
          HOLLAND AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 11. 
          AGENDA ITEM 11, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 49 12 31 SOUTH ALAMO. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 1076 1076 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY EDITION CITED TO THE EAST OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, AND TWO, INSTALL A NEW CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY OFF OF SOUTH ALAMO. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH M. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES CITING OPTIONS THAT DO NOT VISUALLY IMPACT THE FRONT FACADE BASED ON FINDING D THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED SITE PLANS AND ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C TWO THAT THE WINDOW PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITION IS SALVAGED AND REUSED IN THE PROPOSED ADDITION BASED ON FINDING G THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE FENESTRATION PATTERN TO FEATURE WINDOWS OF TRADITIONAL OPERATIONS AND PROPORTIONS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION AND INCREASES THE NUMBER OF OPENINGS. 
          UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO, TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDINGS H AND I FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD WINDOWS FEATURING, UH, TRADITIONAL OPERATIONS AND SUBMITS PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING J FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED DOORS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING J SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED SIDING TO STAFF PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING K SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFIES THE FRONT FACING GABLE ON THE ONE STORY PORTION OF THE SOUTH FRONT ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING L AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE, AND NINE THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZES THE EXISTING REAR DRIVEWAY LOCATED ON MADISON STREET AND SUBMITS AN UPDATED SITE PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW BASED ON FINDING M THE APPLICANT'S THERESA AND MICKLIN, MAURICIO ARE HERE WITH US IN PERSON. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS AND ALSO A VOICEMAIL. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? UH, CAN YOU TURN? HELLO? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M THERESA MAURICIO AND I'M WITH THE NEW DAY CUSTOM HOMES AT FOUR, UH, 1231 SOUTH ALAMO. 
          UM, SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE, UM, BEEN GUIDEDLY, UH, UH, NICE AND GUIDED THROUGH THE PROCESS SINCE IT'S KIND OF OUR FIRST TIME. 
          BUT, UM, WE'VE TAKEN ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND HAVE CONSIDERED ALL, AND WE HAVE MADE THOSE CHANGES WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FROM I BELIEVE THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE TO SUFFICE ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT, UH, WE WERE, UH, LOOKING FOR. 
          SO, UM, WHERE DO I SAY I'M NOT EVEN QUITE SURE. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE WINDOWS, 
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THE WINDOWS, I THINK ON THE HOUSE THAT WE HAVE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKING 'EM SIMPLE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE GONNA BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE HISTORICAL, UH, UH, VIEW. 
          AND WE PLAN TO USE THE WINDOWS, UM, THAT ARE HISTORICALLY DESIGNED FROM MARVIN WINDOWS THAT COMPLIMENT THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS OF, UH, HISTORICAL VALUES TO, UH, HISTORIC HOME. 
          UM, AS, AS FAR AS, UH, THE SIDING ON THE HOUSE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO USE THE SIDING THAT YOU SEE THERE THAT IS AVAILABLE AT MANY LUMBER COMPANIES, AND THAT WILL NOT CHANGE, UM, AS FAR AS US UTILIZING A DOOR, UH, THAT WE HAVE FOUND, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN THE ATTIC, BUT WE WILL BE USING AS AT THE EXTERIOR DOOR, AND WE'LL BE USE UTILIZING THAT FOR THE EXTERIOR, UH, DOOR ENTRANCE ADDITION. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, A WINDOW THAT WILL ALSO BE UTILIZED FOR OUR POWDER ROOM FOR THE ADDITION. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, AS FAR AS THE FACADE, WE HAVE MADE THE CHANGES VERY SIMPLE AS RECOMMENDED BY THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE. 
          WE'VE TAKE, UH, TAKEN THE ROOF LINE, UH, VERY SIMPLE. 
          THE WINDOWS WE HAVE TAKEN OFF TRANSOMS JUST TO UTILIZE AND TAKE THOSE OFF JUST TO MAKE 'EM SIMPLE WINDOWS. 
          WE'VE, UH, JUST, UH, ON THE BACKSIDE WE WERE RECOMMENDED TO USE TWO WINDOWS INSTEAD OF ONE. 
          SO WE'VE DONE THAT. 
          UH, UH, THE FRONT FACADE, UH, WILL BE, UM, IF YOU NOTICE WE HAVE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING. 
          WE HAVE A HUGE TREE THAT COVERS THE MAJORITY OF THE, THE, THAT AREA ANYWAY. 
          BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WHOLE FACADE IS OUT OF THE VIEW OF THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE DECIDED TO OF COURSE, USE BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UH, VISITED, UH, LANDSCAPING AND FIND THAT THE FACADE CAN BE USED WITH VARIOUS, UH, UM, EVERGREENS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN TEXAS. 
          SO, UH, WE WILL BE USING PLENTY OF LANDSCAPING TO CREATE A, UH, A SCREEN, UH, TO KEEP THE HOUSE OR THE ADDITION FROM THE VIEW OF THE PUBLIC AS RECOMMENDED. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE WE'RE . 
          SEE, I THINK WE'VE PRETTY MUCH COVERED, UH, ALL OF THE NINE ISSUES THAT, UH, AS FAR AS THE DRIVEWAY IS CONCERNED, UH, WE HAVE NO ENTRANCE TO THE BACK OF THAT HOUSE ANYWAY. 
          I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ONE. 
          IT HAS KIND OF A SIDE DOOR ENTRANCE, SO IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE IT CORRECT AND EVEN THE, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE HAD THE ALAMO, AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY THERE'S AN ALAMO ADDRESS IN MY OPINION. 
          UH, THE ORIGINAL ADDRESS WAS, AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE DID HAVE THE FRONT ENTRANCE. 
          AS TIME GOES ON, I GUESS EVERYBODY DECIDES, EACH OWNER DECIDES HOW THEY WANT THAT ENTRANCE DONE. 
          IF YOU NOTICE, THE WHOLE FRONT DOESN'T HAVE NO, UM, FENCING AND, UH, THAT'S JUST THE OLD LOOK OF THE, THE HOUSE. 
          SO, UM, BUT WE BROUGHT THAT JUST TO SHOW THAT THERE, THERE IS ONLY ONE ENTRANCE TO THE FRONT THAT MAKES SENSE FOR GAS TO COME, UM, SALESMAN, ANYBODY. 
          THE FRONT ENTRANCE IS AT THE FRONT AND WE, AND WE WANTED TO CREATE THAT, UH, THE FRONT ENTRANCE THAT WOULD KIND OF MAKE SENSE. 
          AND WE'VE CREATED THE ADDITION TO ACCOMMODATE A DRIVEWAY AS WE PROPOSED IN OUR PLAN AND HAVE, UH, A STEP OUT OF WALKWAY TO THE FRONT OF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOME, WHICH IS WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS. 
          NOW, IN ORDER FOR US TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WITHOUT INTERFERING WITH THE TRAFFIC ON THE, UM, ALAMO, WE HAVE DECIDED TO MIMIC THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY AS IT IS NOW WITH THE INSET, WHICH WAS REALLY KIND OF CUTE IN MY OPINION. 
          UH, AN INSET TO WHERE WHEN YOU DRIVE IN, YOU CAN PARK THE CAR BEFORE YOU EVEN GET INTO THE GATE. 
          AND THAT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT, I BELIEVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. 
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MY NAME IS LISA LIN, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1231 SOUTH ALAMO STREET, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 3 4 9. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE O H P STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS. 
          WE CONCUR WITH THE O H P RECOMMENDATION TO NOT APPROVE AND THE STIPULATIONS FOR THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS PRIOR TO RESUBMISSION. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE PLAN ELEVATIONS AND ROOF FORMS SHOULD BE SIMPLIFIED TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND A FLOOR PLAN SHOWING THE EXISTING WITH THE ADDITION SHOULD BE PROVIDED IN THE NEXT SUBMISSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER GROUP, THIS DRIVEWAY, THERE'S NO PARKING LIKE THIS DRIVEWAY JUST GOES AND LIKE YOU'RE IMAGINING CARS JUST PARKING ON THE DRIVEWAY. 
          THERE'S NOT A STRUCTURE ANYWHERE WHERE WELL ACTUALLY, UH, GOING TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, CLOSER TO THE ADDITION, WE WILL HAVE A, A KIND OF A, A TURNAROUND PAD, WHICH WOULD HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR GUESTS AND THAT ALSO WILL BE HIDDEN AWAY WITH THE FOLIAGE AND THE LANDSCAPING ALSO. 
          UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, SO THE BRICK PARK, THE BRICK DRIVEWAY WILL NOT BE MODIFIED IN ANY WAY, AND YOU'RE CREATING THE FRONT STILL, LIKE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE VISUALLY SHOULD BE GUNTER? YEAH. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE, UH, GOING TO KIND OF MIMIC A LOT OF THE, UH, DRIVEWAYS ON ALAMO WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, THE OLD FASHIONED, UM, A DRIVE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH THE, UH, PEBBLE IN THE FRONT, JUST A DRIVEWAY THROUGH WITH THE PAD, UM, VERY SIMPLE AND, UH, IT ALMOST, UH, KIND GOES, BUT USUALLY THEYLL GO ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          THIS ONE, IT'S GONNA GO ON THE FRONT OF THE, IN FRONT OF THE YES MA'AM. 
          IN FRONT OF THE ADDITION. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          AND THEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT, I REMEMBER WHEN WE SENT THIS TO D R C WAS REALLY TO JUST IMAGINE AN ADDITION NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          WAS THIS DISCUSSED AT THE D R C? WHAT WE DISCUSSED WAS HAVING DIMENSIONS ON HOW FAR BACK THEIR PROPOSED ADDITION WAS, WHAT THEIR PROPOSED PLANTING WAS. 
          UH, WE DID, UH, BELIEVE WE DID TALK ABOUT, UM, REORIENTING THE ADDITION TOWARDS THE REAR, UM, OF THE PROPERTY. 
          BUT, UM, AT THAT TIME WE DID NOT SEE A PLAN ABOUT THE FRONT YARD DRIVE OR THE CURB CUT. 
          Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAD MENTIONED THAT Y'ALL WERE, UH, WOULD PROPOSE SOMETHING, BUT AT THAT TIME WE DID NOT, UH, SEE THIS DRAWING AT THE D R C CORRECT. 
          AND STAFF STIPULATIONS STAFF HAS NOT SEEN THE LATE SUBMISSIONS OF THE STIPULATION STANDARDS. 
          THEY ARE. 
          SO THE LATE SUBMISSION WAS SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE MAYBE EARLIER THIS WEEK OR LATE ON FRIDAY. 
          AND SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED THAT, BUT IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT AND SEE IF ANY OF THE STIPULATIONS IN, IN YOUR MIND HAS BEEN FULLY MET? YES. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE REAR ELEVATION, THE FENESTRATION PATTERN HAS BEEN UPDATED THERE, UM, THAT MEETS ONE OF STAFF'S STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, THE OUTSTANDING STIPULATIONS WOULD BE STIPULATION ONE THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES SIGHTING OPTIONS THAT DO NOT VISUALLY IMPACT THE FRONT FACADE. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO STIPULATION TWO THAT THE WINDOW PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL ON THE EXISTING REAR ADDITION IS SALVAGED AND REUSED. 
          UM, STIPULATION FOUR FOR WINDOW MATERIALS WOULD REMAIN, UM, STIPULATION FIVE, UH, REGARDING DOOR MATERIALS WOULD REMAIN AS WELL AS SIX FOR SIDING MATERIALS. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED PRELIMINARY MATERIALS, UM, FOR ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS. 
          AND THEN, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS SEVEN HAS NOT BEEN MET TO SIMPLIFY THE FRONT, FRONT FACING GABLE, UM, AS WELL AS STIPULATION NINE REGARDING UTILIZING THE EXISTING REAR DRIVEWAY LOCATED ON MADISON STREET AS TO INSTALLING A NEW FRONT DRIVEWAY. 
          A SECOND. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. 
          QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          DID FROM, AND MAYBE YOU CAN UPDATE ME. 
          SO WHAT WE HAD A A HT R C MEETING A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. 
          I FEEL LIKE, UH, WE WERE IN HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS. 
          HOW MANY OF THESE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WERE RECOMMENDATIONS 
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DURING THAT MEETING? MOST OF THESE STIPULATIONS REMAIN FROM THAT INITIAL REVIEW. 
          AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION IS STIPULATION NINE REGARDING THE DRIVEWAY SINCE THAT WAS NOT PROPOSED IN THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, I'D, I I I THINK THE STAFF HAS IT RIGHT. 
          I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. 
          UM, AND MAYBE YOU GUYS SORT OF WALK ME THROUGH THIS, BUT, UM, I, I AGREE WITH STAFF. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS. 
          DOES IT NEED TO GO TO A D R C I? WE DIDN'T HAVE A D R C I CAN'T HAVE ENOUGH. 
          WE CAN HAVE. 
          OKAY, THEN I, I'M, I DON'T WANT TO PUT A D R C IN THERE. 
          I WOULD LIKE, YEAH, YEAH, I THINK THAT, UH, I, I, I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS. MR. HOLLAND. 
          YOU CAN SAY AND APPROVE WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDRESSED AND D R C CAN ALWAYS JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE IT. 
          YOU CAN JUST SAY, APPROVE WITH ALL STIPULATIONS. 
          APPROVE, APPROVE. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVE TO APPROVE WITH ALL STIPULATIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU. 
          SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          I MEAN, I'LL COMMENT TO IT TOO. 
          I MEAN, I DID SEE THE D R C REPORT AND I THINK, AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A D R C E O, UM, I'LL GO. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE FOR SOME GUIDANCE FOR YOU IS IT'S, I THINK THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE ADDITION IS WHAT'S REALLY, AND IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT LOT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S VISIBLE FROM MADISON COUNTRY SOUTH AMO. 
          RIGHT? SO WHICH ONE IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE NOT VISIBLE FROM AND HOW YOU MITIGATING THAT VISIBILITY? IT'S VERY BIG HOUSE ALREADY, AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE, AND YOU KNOW, WE WANNA PUT THE FOCUS ON THE MAIN SURE. 
          HISTORIC HOME. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          ADDING THAT SECOND FLOOR, WE'RE DETRACTING FROM IT. 
          LIKE HOW CAN WE MAKE IT BEST WORK VISUALLY SO IT DOESN'T DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WAS LIKE TO KIND OF LIKE UNDERSTANDING YOU WANNA PUT A SECOND FLOOR IN THE ADDITION, BUT MAYBE JUST LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT EXISTING ADDITION LARGER TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          I MEAN, AND YOU WANT LEISURE SPACE ON THE THIRD FLOOR. 
          YOU WANT, I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN INSIDE, I GET IT. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, FROM AN OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE, AND I DO AGREE THAT STAFF HAS A RIGHT ON THAT DRIVEWAY. 
          NORMALLY ON SOUTH ALAMO, YOU'LL NOT SEE A DRIVEWAY IN, IN A FRONT FACADE TYPE THING. 
          I KNOW IT'S THE BACK OF THE HOME. 
          SO I THINK EITHER NOT ADDING THAT DRIVEWAY OR MODIFYING THE EXISTING BRICK DRIVEWAY EVEN, THERE'S NO ENTRY. 
          OKAY. 
          WHETHER YOU ADD, YOU KNOW, BY MOVING THAT SECOND ADDITION, YOU ADD A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM. 
          , IF, IF YOU LOOK ON THE, THE ADDITION SIDE, YOU'LL NOTICE A HUGE TREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP. 
          OF COURSE. 
          THAT KIND OF KIND OF CANTILEVERS THIS WAY, WHICH KIND OF ALMOST HIDES THE ADDITION WHEN IT ALL COMES DOWN TO IT. 
          SEE? AND, AND, UH, AND WITH THE EXTRA FOLIAGE TO KIND OF GO AROUND, IT WILL REALLY HIDE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THAT'S THE SECOND STORY. 
          THE, THE WHOLE ADDITION ALL BY ITSELF, BECAUSE THAT TREE IS JUST, YOU KNOW, PRETTY, A PRETTY HUGE, AND IT JUST KIND OF CANTILEVERS THE WHOLE AREA, IF YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF BEHIND THE, THE, I MEAN, IT'S IN FRONT OF THE ADDITION, IF YOU CAN KINDA SEE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINA, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH ALL OF THE COMMENTS BEING MADE. 
          I, I DO WANNA CAUTION YOU THAT CONSIDERING OUR WEATHER OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, I HOPE THAT TREE LASTS TO DO WHAT YOU WANT IT TO DO WITH THIS, WITH THIS DROUGHT. 
          IT REALLY HAS . 
          YEAH. 
          I'VE SEEN IT'S SUSTAINED A LOT TOO. 
          IT'S REALLY GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE CAN'T BANK ON THE LANDSCAPE ALWAYS, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT I WOULD SERIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, SUGGEST THAT YOU LOOK AT THE PROPORTION, ESPECIALLY OF THE, LET'S SAY IT'S THE BATHROOM WITH THE TUB, UM, THAT IS MOST VISIBLE, PLAY WITH THE PROPORTION OF THAT AND PERHAPS FIND A WAY TO PUT IT UNDER ONE ROOF INSTEAD OF THE GABLE WITH THE WINGS, THE SHED WINGS OFF TO THE SIDE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT REALLY CAUSE THAT, UM, ADDITIONAL ATTENTION. 
          IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE, WE KIND OF TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, MONICA, AND WE ALSO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE KEPT THAT AREA. 
          THAT'S WHY IT KIND OF, KIND OF COMES IN THIS WAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           MM-HMM. 
           BECAUSE WE GAVE THAT, UH, THAT TREE PLANTING OF ROOM TO, YOU KNOW, UH, CONTINUE TO GROW, BUT YOU CAN MOVE WITHOUT SEEING THE FULL PLAN OF THE HOUSE OF THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I FEEL LIKE, UM, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, MY HANDS ARE TIED BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE RELATIONSHIP OF MM-HMM. 
           OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND OTHER FEATURES THAT CAN GUIDE. 
          BUT, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU EVEN LOOK AT JUST, MAYBE THE AREA REMAINS THE SAME, BUT THE PROPORTIONS CHANGE 
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SLIGHTLY. 
          FOR INSTANCE, THE WIDTH. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND THE DEPTH OF THE FOOTPRINT CHANGES LITTLE BITS TO ALLOW YOU TO SIMPLIFY THOSE ROOFS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          SO YOU THINK I HAVE A QUESTION? UHHUH . 
          HI, MY NAME'S MIKE LYNN. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE ROOF THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UHHUH , UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE SECOND PORTION THAT KIND OF DROPS? CORRECT? IF WE LOOK AT, UH, THE ELEVATIONS. 
          YES. 
          I THINK IT'S THERE. 
          NEW ELEVATIONS AND WE LOOK AT THE ONE WITH, UH, RIGHT BEHIND THE TREE. 
          WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          WELL, WE'RE OKAY. 
          EXCUSE ME, EVERYBODY WE'RE GETTING INTO DESIGN. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          AND SCRATCH, UM, OH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT SHE WAS ASKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT COME TO A D R C AND CHAT, I WOULD SUGGEST A D R C AND HOPEFULLY SOME MORE COMMISSIONERS WILL SHOW UP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UH, PROVIDE SOME, UH, INPUT. 
          OKAY. 
          EXCELLENT GUIDANCE MR. CHAIR, AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE A ROLL CALL. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SINO AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          ZUKA AYE. 
          AVADA. 
          AYE. 
          GR AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          UH, HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 12. 
          ITEM 12, H T R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 21 3 27 EAST KINGS HIGHWAY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT ONE TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE AND ONE ONE STORY DETACHED GARAGE AT 3 27 EAST KINGS HIGHWAY. 
          STAFF NOT YET. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. 
          A THROUGH Y STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES THE PROPOSED FOUNDATION HEIGHTS BASED ON FINDING G TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL PRODUCT DETAILS FOR THE WINDOWS AND DOORS TO STAFF PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING K THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOWS SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS, AND TRIM AND SEAL DETAILING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING L FOUR, THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION INCORPORATES ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES BASED ON FINDING M FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED PORCH COLUMNS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW BASED ON FINDING N SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A GARAGE DOOR WITH A DESIGN THAT MIMICS WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND FEATURES A SMOOTH FINISH WITHOUT FAUX WOOD GRAIN TEXTURE. 
          FINAL GARAGE DOOR SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING X AND SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. 
          AND THE APPLICANT IS WITH US IN PERSON. 
          UH, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS REQUEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, AGAIN, JUST IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TO, IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, RAUL, UH, I AM THE, I WORK FOR, UM, MOSCA FLORES DESIGN STUDIO AND OUR CLIENT IS MR. MALONEY AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET THIS, UM, PROJECT TO BE APPROVED FOR FINAL. 
          UM, AS STAFF HAS MENTIONED, UM, WE SUBMITTED THE PREVIOUS TIME THAT WE WERE, I WAS HERE ACTUALLY, UH, TOOK IN CONSIDERATION ALL Y'ALL'S COMMENTS AND APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO, UH, GO TO THE NEXT STEP. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO THE COMMENTS THAT, UM, WE SUBMITTED, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE HEIGHTS AND, UM, STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN THE AREA, UM, I REFERENCED SHE A FIVE, WHICH SHOWS A DIAGRAM THAT PREVIOUS, PREVIOUSLY SHOWS AND IS SHOWING THE INFORMATION REQUIRED. 
          UM, AND OUR HEIGHT FOR THE FOUNDATION IN, UH, FOR OUR PROJECT IS IN THAT AVERAGE, UM, UM, THE AVERAGE HEIGHT, WHICH IS, UM, IN OUR PROJECT WOULD BE THREE FEET IN THE FRONT ONLY. 
          AND, UM, ALSO, UH, SPECIFYING, UH, THE PALLET OF, UH, MATERIALS. 
          UH, WE INCORPORATED EXHIBITS ALSO IN EXHIBIT D OF THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS AND SPECIFICATIONS. 
          AND ALSO IN SHEET NINE AND 10, THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION INDICATE MATERIAL TYPES AND THE LOCATION OF IT. 
          ALSO, I HAD, AFTER THIS MEETING, I KNOW ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THE MATERIAL, LOCATIONS OR EVEN, UH, ADJUSTING SOME OF THE, UH, FENESTRATIONS, UH, TYPICALLY TOWARDS THE RIGHT ELEVATION. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, UM, I NEVER, I SENT AN EMAIL FOR 
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REQUIRING, UM, GETTING THAT, BUT NEVER GOT BACK TO ME. 
          SO, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT. 
          SO, UM, ALSO, UM, THE WINDOW SIZES AND MATERIALS, UH, THEY'RE REFERRED ON SHEET A NINE AND 10, AND THE WINDOWS SPECIFICATIONS, I INCLUDED THE WINDOWS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO USE ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, AND, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, SETBACKS, UM, WE ARE IN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THE SETBACKS REQUIRED BY THE CITY AND, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP STAFF DO WANNA ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS ABOUT THE EMAIL NOT BEING ANSWERED? UM, I MEAN, THERE'S A REASON. 
          DID THE REASON THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY LATE SUBMITTALS? SO IS THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS NOT COMPLYING WITH WHAT WE USUALLY ASK FOR, OR NO? RAUL AND I DISCUSSED HIS REQUEST FOR A D R C MEETING PRIOR TO THIS HEARING THAT I'M, I DIDN'T FIND, UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT WAS MISSED OR MISCOMMUNICATED. 
          UM, SO I DON'T THINK A D R C MEETING WOULD'VE BEEN NECESSARY TO DISCUSS THE MATERIALS FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE REVIEWED IT SEVERAL TIMES. 
          UM, THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS OR STIPULATIONS, THEY REMAIN WITH A REVIEW THROUGH FINAL REVIEW. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S CORRECT THAT THESE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND STAFF STILL STIPULATES THE SAME STANDARDS, BUT DO THEY FOLLOW THE GUIDE, THE GUIDELINES, THE MATERIALS? YES. 
          UM, THE OUTSTANDING STIPULATIONS ARE LARGELY THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES THE PROPOSED FOUNDATION HEIGHTS, UH, STIPULATION ONE, UM, STIPULATION THREE REGARDING THE, UM, FENESTRATION, UH, THE WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS, TRIM AND SEAL DETAILING, ET CETERA. 
          AND STIPULATION FOUR REGARDING THE INCORPORATION OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE SETBACKS, WHICH I ACTUALLY DIDN'T SEE, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO GET THE VARIANCE. 
          ARE YOU AWARE? I DON'T, I DON'T NEED A VARIANCE THAT IS JUST A STANDARD STIPULATION IN CASE, UH, UH, VARIANCE IS REQUIRED. 
          MAY I COMMENT ON THAT? AND ACTUALLY, THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE AGAIN, MY CLIENT AND OUR, AND AT THE OFFICE WERE VERY KIND OF FRUSTRATED 'CAUSE WE SEE THESE COMMENTS OVER AND OVER AND THEY'RE BEING ADDRESSED. 
          AND SO WE DIDN'T KNOW IF, UH, THERE WERE, UH, STAFF WAS DECLINING APPROVAL BECAUSE OF, OF THOSE STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY APPROVED. 
          AND THEN ON OUR PREVIOUS MEETING HERE, I KNOW RACHEL WASN'T HERE, UM, SHE WAS OUTTA TOWN, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE FENESTRATIONS, UH, ADJUSTMENTS OF A LITTLE BIT OF THOSE FENESTRATIONS AND MATERIALS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I REQUESTED THAT EMAIL. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT I, I DID CHECK AND THERE WAS AN EMAIL SENT OUT. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S I, TECHNOLOGY, WHATEVER, I MEAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK TO BE PUT ON THE NEXT ITEM AND MAKE SURE YOU GET THOSE MEETINGS BEFORE YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PENDING AND APPROVAL ANYWAY. 
          SO, UM, I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTION, JUST CLARITY, SO THAT THE I'LL SEE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE ONE, THREE AND FOUR ARE THE ONLY STIPULATIONS ARE THE ONLY STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MET HAVE NOT BEEN MET ONE, AND I BELIEVE, WHICH IS POTENTIALLY STIPULATION FIVE AS WELL FOR THE PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED PORCH COLUMNS. 
          WELL, IT'S WOOD, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S DO WANT, YEAH. 
          SO TECHNICALLY WE REQUEST A DRAWING SHOWING THOSE PORCH COLUMNS IN DETAIL. 
          THEY'RE ON THE ELEVATION. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST A SQUARE WOOD, THERE'S NO DETAIL TO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP AND, AND I, AND I, I APOLOGIZE, BUT JUST AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S THAT COMMUNICATION. 
          'CAUSE FROM OUR LAST MEETING HERE, WHAT THE COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS, UM, GAVE ME AND I TOOK BACK, UH, TO THE CLIENT I DID ADDRESS AND, UH, AND I EVEN MENTIONED TO RACHEL AND IT'S, IT'S NOTHING, I GUESS IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, UM, I EVEN TOLD HER, DO YOU GUYS HAVE NOTES OF THE STUFF THAT WE TALK ABOUT AND HAS BEEN PRESENTED? UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND SHE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RECORDINGS, BUT WE DON'T, WE JUST BASE OURSELVES BY THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S A CATCH 22 BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS RECOMMEND SOMETHING AND I DO IT, BUT THEN THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF SAYS, NO, IT'S KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD OR WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT. 
          SO I THINK FROM MY OPINION, THERE HAS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MR. CHAIR, IF I 
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MAY MAKE A MOTION. 
          YES. 
          I'M JUST GONNA ASK YOU ONE QUESTION ON THE GARAGE FLOOR. 
          ARE YOU OKAY WITH A SMOOTH FINISH INSTEAD OF A FULL WOOD GRAIN? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M GONNA STOP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO I'M GONNA MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STIPULATION 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7. 
          AND ON STIPULATION THREE, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT TRIM AND STILL DETAILING CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND I'LL EXPLAIN, OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND GROUP. 
          AND, AND I KNOW HOW WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, BUT I ACTUALLY THINK THAT YOUR PROJECT HAS EVOLVED IN A GOOD WAY MM-HMM. 
           MM-HMM. 
          , UM, IT IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION STARTED WITH, RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS BACK IS LIKE, WE'RE TRYING TO INTRODUCE A VERY MODERN HOME RIGHT. 
          INTO AN HISTORIC HOME. 
          AND I THINK WE'VE COME TO A PART THAT I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN FINAL STAGES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I'M KEEPING THOSE STIPULATIONS AND I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COMMUNICATION AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE CLARIFIED BECAUSE MOST APPLICANTS HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE THE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THAT, THE, THE WINDOWS, EVERYTHING, ALL THAT I AM RIGHT NOW DOING A MOTION, ACCEPTING YOUR WINDOW SIZES AND PATTERNS, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF CHANGES ON THE FRONT FACADE, WHICH WAS A MAIN FOCUS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT, WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS CHANGED IN THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE WINDOW FENESTRATIONS THAT WE USUALLY DON'T SEE IN THIS TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'VE KEPT THEM ON THE SIDE AND ON THE REAR MM-HMM. 
           AND MORE ON THE BACK, WHICH WE'VE ALWAYS ASKED YOU TOO. 
          UM, AND SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE SUBMITTED PRODUCT SPECIFICATION, JUST, YOU KNOW, GO BACK WITH STUFF LIKE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR AND WHATEVER'S NEEDED TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UM, IN A MOTION FOR 1, 2, 4, AND FIVE ON, ON ONE, HE'S ALREADY GIVEN THE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS. 
          SO DOES INCLUDING ONE MEAN THAT HE STILL HAS TO DO THAT OR THAT THAT IS ALREADY DONE? I BELIEVE HIS JOHNS SHOW A RAISED, UH, FOUNDATION HEIGHT. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT ACTUALLY IS DIMENSION AND IT MAY BE THAT HE JUST HAS TO PROVIDE THAT DIMENSION TO STAFF. 
          SO IT'S NOT FOR THE APPROVAL, JUST FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN FOR TWO, ARE WE, WE ARE APPROVING HIS WINDOWS AND STAFF IS TO DO WHAT? SO WITH THIS MOTION, THE PATTERN AND SIZES OF THE OPENINGS ARE APPROVED. 
          UM, WHAT THE STIPULATION REQUIRES IS THAT THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE WINDOWS ARE PROVIDED TO STAFF SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THE DIMENSIONALITY OF THE MEMBERS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          SO IT'S JUST FOR, UH, UM, UH, A COMPARISON BETWEEN, UH, WHAT'S DRAWN AND WHAT HE DOES WILL ULTIMATELY BUY. 
          CORRECT. 
          MAY I MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT? IN WHICH IS AN, A THING THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          'CAUSE I DID SUBMIT SPECIFICATIONS. 
          UM, IT'S KNOW, IT'S A 60 PAGE PACKET, YOU KNOW, OF EXHIBITS, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UM, STATING THE TYPE OF WINDOW. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE DETAIL, EVEN THE TRIM THAT GOES AROUND THE WINDOW, UM, NOTING IT AND, UH, NAMING, UH, CALLING IT OUT. 
          SO, SO, SO, OKAY. 
          SO THEN STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT, THAT THAT, THAT IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN APPROVAL OF TWO, RIGHT? THE STIPULATION OF TWO IS INCLUDED IN THE MOTION. 
          RACHEL, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK TO OUR REVIEW OF THE WINDOW MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN SPECIFIED? SO ESSENTIALLY THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS STAY WITH A NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THROUGH FINAL REVIEW. 
          AND MANY TIMES, AS WE ALL KNOW, MATERIALS WILL CHANGE THROUGH THE COURSE OF A PROJECT AND THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE STIPULATION, IT ALSO ENSURES THAT IF THERE ARE CHANGES TO A WINDOW PRODUCT, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT NEED TO RETURN TO THE H D R C FOR APPROVAL OF THAT PRODUCT IF IT MEETS THE STIPULATION. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT BUT SHOULDN'T IT BE PROPER THAT YOU, YOU EITHER, RIGHT NOW, EITHER WE SAY THAT IT, THAT IT BEATS THE STIPULATION OR IT DOESN'T. 
          YES. 
          SO HE HAS SUBMITTED WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS THAT DO MEET THE STIPULATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. 
          SO THAT'S ON THE RECORD. 
          AND THEN, SO STAFF WILL NOT ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THAT'S BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE'RE KEEPING THE STIPULATION THERE, AND IF HE ALREADY HAS SUPPLIED IT, THEY WON'T ASK FOR IT AGAIN AND THAT'S IT. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU'RE IS, BUT YOU'RE, IT'S ON THERE AS, AS NOT ONLY AS, YEAH, YOU'LL GET YOUR C A WITHOUT REQUESTING ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE WINDOWS. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT NOW ON THE MOTION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR ON WHAT I'M VOTING ON. 
          SO THERE'S THE THIRD PARTY, WHICH IS ME VOTING, AND, AND NOW THE OTHER TWO, UM, 
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THAT, WHAT, WHAT WERE THEY? 1, 2, 4, AND 8, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN. 
          1, 2, 4. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ASK 'EM TO FLIP THE BOARD OVER AND IT'S A SMOOTH SURFACE, THEN CLEARLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DETAIL THAT ISN'T YEAH. 
          HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL. 
          BUT IT'S THE DETAIL THAT WE USE WHEN WE USE THAT TYPE OF MATERIAL. 
          WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT TYPE, THAT MATERIAL, THE FLIPPING OVER IT'S APPROVED, RIGHT? LIKE THE COLUMNS OR WHAT OTHER ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I MEAN, IS IS OKAY THAT ONE, UH, YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          I WILL REMOVE, UH, UM, STIPULATION FOR, OKAY. 
          NOW I'LL REMOVE STIPULATION FOUR. 
          SO STIPULATION THREE AND FOUR. 
          THE ONLY THING I WILL KEEP FROM THOSE STIPULATIONS IS THE TRIM AND SEAL DETAILING. 
          JUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          DOES THE SECOND CONCUR CONCURS? OKAY. 
          AND AND THE LAST ONE WAS FIVE, SIX AND 7, 7, 5, 6 AND SEVEN. 
          AND THAT APPARENTLY THE SETBACKS ARE GOOD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          ? YEAH. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SABINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          AVADA. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FE AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          AGENDA ITEM 13. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, H T R C CASE 2023 DASH ONE TEN TWO OH NINE WEST MARIOSA. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE SEVEN WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH F. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE WOOD WINDOWS WITH IN-KIND MATERIALS AND THE APPLICANT SHELBY SMITH IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY. 
          MS. SMITH, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MS. SMITH, YOU'LL ALSO NEED TO MUTE YOUR, THE LIVE FEATURE YOU'RE WATCHING. 
          OKAY? SO I'M MUTED YOU MS. SMITH, IF YOU ARE WATCHING AND HEARING ME. 
          UH, PLEASE TURN OFF THE LIVE STREAM. 
          UM, JUST STAY ON THE WEBEX AND THEN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PRESENT. 
          UM, WHILE THAT'S GOING ON, DO YOU WANNA LISTEN TO THE ONE VOICEMAIL THAT WE DO HAVE? MS. SMITH, WE'LL NEED TO UNMUTE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          HI. 
          SO I, I MUTED YOU AGAIN, MS. SMITH. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S FEEDBACK 'CAUSE WE CAN HEAR THE RECORD. 
          YOU'RE WATCHING THE LIVE STREAM, BUT THERE'S A DELAY. 
          UM, SO WE'RE HEARING THAT AS SOON AS YOU'RE MUTED. 
          SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE PAUSE OR TURN OFF THE LIVE STREAM YOU'RE WATCHING IN THE BACKGROUND. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU COULD PLEASE WALK US THROUGH YOUR APPLICATION AND YOUR PROPOSAL TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS. 
          MS. SMITH, ARE YOU THERE? MS. SMITH, ARE YOU THERE? I THINK HER AUDIO MUST BE THROUGH THE LIVE STREAM, WHICH HAS LIKE A 32ND DELAY. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO MS. SMITH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THIS, BUT YOU JUST NEED TO BE ON THE WEBEX. 
          YOU DON'T NEED TO BE WATCHING THE LIVE STREAM. 
          AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE SCREEN THAT'S BEING SHARED AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE COMMISSIONERS IN THE ROOM THROUGH THE WEBEX. 
          ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIR, I'LL REFER TO YOU ON HOW YOU WANNA PROCEED. 
          OKAY? IS THERE SOMEONE ON STAFF WHO CAN WORK WITH MS. SMITH TO WORK OUT THE, HER AUDIO AND WE COULD COME BACK TO HER? I'LL GO AHEAD AND MUTE YOU, MS. SMITH. 
          WE'LL GIVE YOU A CALL AND WE'LL WORK THROUGH THIS. 
          THANK YOU MS. SMITH. 
          SO AGENDA ITEM 14, COME BACK BECAUSE 
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ITEM 14 ON THE H T R C AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 81, EXCUSE ME, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD FRONT PORCH DECKING WITH COMPOSITE P V C DECKING. 
          TWO, REPLACE THE WOOD, THE EXISTING WOOD SHAKE SHINGLE ROOF ON THE FRONT PORCH WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLE ROOF. 
          THREE, DEMOLISH THE REAR DECK AND CONSTRUCT A NEW REAR COVERED PORCH WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLE ROOF COMPOSITE P V C DECKING IN A NEW COLUMN THAT REPLICATES THE EXISTING HISTORIC COLUMN AT THE REAR. 
          FOUR, MODIFY THE EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN AT THE REAR FACADE. 
          FIVE, REMOVE EXISTING REAR PARKING AND INSTALL A NEW HARDSCAPING. 
          SIX. 
          REPAIR THE EXISTING FENCE AND GATES. 
          SEVEN, ADD TWO WINDOWS ON THE NORTH FACADE TO MATCH EXISTING IN SIZE AND APPEARANCE. 
          EIGHT, DEMOLISH A NON-ORIGINAL C M U PORTION OF THE DETACHED ACCESSORY. 
          AND NINE, MODIFY THE DETACHED ACCESSORY BY INSTALLING A NEW DOUBLE GARAGE DOOR WINDOW, SIDING, SLIDING DOORS, AND ROOF FORM. 
          ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD FRONT PORCH DECKING WITH COMPOSITE P V C DECKING WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. 
          ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT SPECIFY A DECKING MATERIAL THAT IS ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE IN PROFILE AND DOES NOT INCLUDE A FAUX WOOD GRAIN. 
          THE MATERIAL SHOWN IN THE EXHIBITS DOES NOT APPEAR TO MEET THIS REQUIREMENT. 
          ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD SHAKE SHINGLE ROOF ON THE FRONT PORCH WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLE ROOF. 
          THREE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE REAR DECK AND CONSTRUCT A NEW REAR COVERED PORCH WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT SPECIFY A DECKING MATERIAL THAT IS A ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE IN PROFILE AND DOES NOT INCLUDE A FAUX WOOD GRAIN. 
          THE MATERIAL SHOWN IN THE EXHIBITS DOES NOT APPEAR TO MEET THIS REQUIREMENT. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. 
          ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO MODIFY THE EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN AT THE REAR FACADE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SPECIFY WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING C ITEMS FIVE THROUGH EIGHT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. 
          ITEM NINE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR ACCESSORY WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE, THAT EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE SOUTH AND NORTH ELEVATIONS BE MAINTAINED BASED ON FINDING M TWO, THAT A SPLIT BAY GARAGE DOOR CONFIGURATION BE MAINTAINED BASED ON FINDING P THREE. 
          THAT THE EXISTING SASH WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION BE REUSED ON THAT FACADE BASED ON FINDING M FOUR THAT THE SQUARE FIXED WINDOW SPECIFIED W SIX BE ELIMINATED. 
          ANY NEW WINDOWS SHOULD MEET STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AS NOTED IN FINDING C AND FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. 
          WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, GEORGE TORRES HERE IN PERSON, AND THERE IS ONE LETTER ON FILE FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW. 
          AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, MY NAME IS GEORGE TORRES. 
          I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT AND REPRESENTING, UM, SCOTT AND MARY WELLS. 
          AND, UM, WE ARE IN A AGREE AGREEMENT WITH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, ITEM NINE, STIPULATION ONE AND FOUR. 
          AND I'D ALSO WANT TO JUST KIND OF TOUCH ON ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH THE, UH, GARAGE DOOR. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, THE SECOND TIME PRESENTING THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, AND THIS IS FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          WE'VE, UH, MET WITH D R C A COUPLE TIMES, UH, TO JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE NORTH, I GUESS THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          UH, AND, UH, IF WE WANT TO JUST KIND OF, YEAH, GO BACK TO THE MAIN HOUSE AND, UM, JUST RECAP ON SOME OF THE, THE BIG CHANGES THAT WE DID FROM LAST TIME. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE WANTING TO DO SOME FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE, TO THE MAIN HOUSE, AND WE AGREED TO, UM, SEAL OFF THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND ADD, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL WINDOWS, UH, THERE, UH, MARCH W ONE AND W TWO. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT WE DID FROM LAST TIME. 
          AND THEN IF WE ARE TO GO TO THE LITTLE, UM, CASITA, THE A D U GARAGE APARTMENT, UM, ON THE WEST ELEVATION THAT IS THE ELEVATION IS FACING, UH, THE MAIN HOUSE AND ALSO VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          UM, I GUESS ITEM OR STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, 
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THE SPLIT BAY GARAGE DOOR CONFIGURATION. 
          UM, I, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT. 
          I, UH, WE PRESENTED THIS LAST TIME AND I FELT LIKE WE, UM, WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A LARGER GARAGE DOOR, UH, 16 FOOT IN WIDTH, UH, YET IT KIND OF RESEMBLES, UM, TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, A TWO DOOR CONFIGURATION. 
          UH, AND IT'S A, IT IS A CARRIAGE STYLE, UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, GARAGE DOOR. 
          AND, UH, JUST A LITTLE RECAP ON THE, ON THE GARAGE APARTMENT, WE ORIGINALLY WANTED TO, UM, REDO THE FENESTRATION COMPLETELY FOR THIS BUILDING. 
          UM, HOW, AND THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, ANY, UH, SHEATHING WEATHER BARRIER. 
          NO, UM, NOTHING THAT'S PROTECTING IT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR TODAY'S STANDARD. 
          SO WE NEED TO BRING IT UP TO CODE. 
          HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UH, WE AGREED TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING SIDING. 
          UM, AND THEN IN THE PORTIONS THAT WE ARE EXTENDING ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, WE ARE EXTENDING THE GARAGE OUT ABOUT FOUR FEET. 
          UM, AND WE ARE CLADDING THAT NEW PORTION IN A BATTEN BOARD, UH, SIDING IN ORDER TO KIND OF MATCH THE, UM, THE MAIN HOUSE, THERE IS A PORTION IN THE, IN THE BACK THAT, UH, HAS BAT AND BOARD SIDING. 
          SO WE KIND OF WANT TO TIE THE TWO BUILDINGS TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND THEN IN THE, THE, UM, LET'S SEE, THE, IT'S THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE, THE BACK OF THE GARAGE APARTMENT. 
          UH, WE ARE ENCLOSING THE, UH, THE PORCH, THE SECOND STORY PORCH, AND, UM, AND ALSO EXTENDING THE ROOF THERE WITH, WITH THE HIP CONFIGURATION. 
          UM, IN ORDER TO, UM, GAIN SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE, OF THE UNIT THERE, UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          WE DID, UH, PRESENT THIS TO D R C AND, AND WE DID, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE TRY TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING WINDOWS. 
          UM, I DID PRESENT THIS TO THE CLIENT, HOWEVER, UM, THEY'RE PRETTY ADAMANT ON TRYING TO MAINTAIN, UH, THOSE TWO BY TWO WINDOWS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          UM, AND THIS IS MAINLY BECAUSE, UM, I GUESS A COUPLE OF REASONS. 
          UH, FIRST PRIVACY, THEY, THEY WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE PRIVACY, UH, WITHIN THE, THE UNIT. 
          AND, UH, SECONDLY, WE, WE, WE DID TALK THROUGH MAINTAINING THE EXISTING WINDOWS, HOWEVER, THE DETAIL TO PARTIALLY COVER, UH, FROM THE INSIDE AND, UM, MAYBE LEAVE THE UPPER SASH EXPOSED. 
          UH, THE, JUST FROM A DETAIL STANDPOINT AND MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, UM, IT, IT WAS, UM, A CHALLENGE, I GUESS, AND, AND SOMETHING THAT THE CLIENT, UH, WASN'T REALLY KEEN ON ENTERTAINING. 
          SO, UH, WE DECIDED TO KEEP THAT FENESTRATION, UH, AS WE ARE PROPOSING IT. 
          UM, AND I, I BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN REASON FOR THOSE TWO STIPULATIONS THERE. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, QUESTION WE DID TALK ABOUT AT THE D R C, UH, KEEPING THE WINDOW IN THE GARAGE. 
          UM, AND YOU TALKED TO THE OWNERS ABOUT THAT AS WELL? YEAH, SIMILAR COMMENT. 
          IT WAS, UH, TO THEM IT IS A SECURITY ISSUE. 
          UM, THEY, THEY PREFER NOT TO HAVE THAT WINDOW IN THE GARAGE, JUST SO, UM, FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, ESSENTIALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL? NO, JUST ONE LETTER ON FILE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER GROUP? SO, UM, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, I THINK WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOWS ON THE MAIN HOUSE, I THINK STAFF IS APPROVING THAT, RIGHT? SO THE ONLY THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE WINDOWS IN THE ADDITION AND IT'S ONLY STIPULATION BASICALLY ONE, TWO, AND FOUR, WHERE ONE AND FOUR KIND OF GO WITH EACH OTHER. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND STIPULATION TWO, I THINK JUST VISUALLY, MAYBE JUST TO CLARIFY, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE FOUR GARAGE DOORS INSTEAD OF TWO. 
          SO I THINK IT'S JUST FINDING A DESIGN ON THE GARAGE DOOR THAT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE A BIGGER SEPARATION IN THE MIDDLE. 
          SO IT DOES LOOK LIKE THOSE TWO BAYS INSTEAD OF LOOKING LIKE FOUR. 
          I THINK YOU COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THAT STIPULATION COULD STAY, AND I THINK YOU COULD COMPLY WITH IT VERY EASILY. 
          IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN FOUND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, I'VE SET VERSIONS LIKE 
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THAT WINDOWS. 
          THE QUESTION ON WINDOWS, SORRY, FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          WHEN YOU SAY A SPLIT GARAGE, YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO SINGLE DOORS, TWO SINGLE GARAGE DOORS WITH A, UH, PERSONNEL DOOR IN BETWEEN OR JUST A PERSON? THE DOOR DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE. 
          IT'S REALLY JUST THE SPLIT CONFIGURATION OF THE DOORS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THE GARAGE DOORS YEAH. 
          ON THE WINDOWS. 
          DID YOU EVER DISCUSS THE IDEA OF IF REMOVING AND MAYBE A D R C OR DISCUSSING IS, I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE SQUARES, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO ONE OF A ONE WINDOWS THAT MIMIC WHAT HISTORICALLY WAS THERE? COULD THAT BE AN OPTION? UM, SO, SO THESE SMALLER WINDOWS ARE KIND OF A HIGHER ELEVATION. 
          AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS JUST THE INTERIOR DESIGN OF IT. 
          ONE, ONE IS KIND OF THE ENTERTAINMENT TWE TV WALL. 
          AND THEN, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE IS A, IS A BED, UM, WALL. 
          SO NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T LOOK AT SMALL ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE AWKWARD. 
          NOW YOU DO HAVE ONE OF A ONE ON EACH OF THE OTHER SIDES WE DO MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO YOU'RE STILL ADAMANT ABOUT HAVING THOSE WINDOWS. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SINO. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WINDOWS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN THE GARAGE, YOU MENTIONED, I GUESS, LET'S SEE, THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION, UM, THAT IT'S A SECURITY ISSUE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SO WE COULD KEEP THE WINDOW ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WALL SO IT RETAINS PART OF THAT ORIGINAL GARAGE CARRIAGE HOUSE THING AND SHEET ROCK OVER THE OTHER SIDE. 
          RIGHT. 
          TOTALLY DOABLE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YEAH, IT IS. 
          AND UM, WITH THAT COMES THE MAIN MAINTENANCE, UH, POTENTIAL FOR MAINTENANCE ISSUES DOWN THE LINE, UM, TO SEAL OFF A WINDOW FROM THE EXTERIOR AND I MEAN, OR THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SECURE IT. 
          SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD PROPOSE, I MEAN, IF I PROPOSED SOME, UH, SOME OPTIONS WITH THOSE WINDOWS, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE? THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          IT WOULD BE FOR THAT WINDOW ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION SECOND FLOOR. 
          UH, I FIND THE, THE LOCATION OF THE WINDOW'S KIND OF AWKWARD FOR THAT TV WALL. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT TOO LOW AND TOO BIG. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT TV IS. 
          UH, MAYBE THAT WALL DOESN'T NEED ANY WINDOWS FOR THE INTERIOR EXPERIENCE, BUT RATHER THE ORIGINAL WINDOW IS REINSTATED WITH A SIMILAR TREATMENT WHERE THE WINDOWS ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT YOU GET YOUR FULL TV WALL ON THE INSIDE. 
          WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CONSIDER THOSE TWO WINDOW OPTIONS? UH, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THERE'S, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION MM-HMM. 
           MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL WINDOW IN THAT PLACE. 
          TAKE OUT THOSE LITTLE WINDOWS MM-HMM. 
          , BECAUSE THEY'RE, IF THEY ARE AT SEVEN FEET TO THREE FEET, YOU KNOW, TO FIVE FEET MM-HMM. 
          OR FOUR FEET. 
          WHERE'S THE TELEVISION? YEAH, IT'S NOT WALL MOUNTED, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY ON A COUNTER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FROM AN INTERIOR STANDPOINT, THERE MAY BE A CONFLICT WITH LIGHT AND GLARE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          BUT, SO, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF ALL THOSE WINDOWS, BUT HAVE THE WINDOW MAINTAIN THE EXTERIOR WINDOW ON THE SOUTH FACADE, AND THEN YOU GET THAT WHOLE WALL FOR TELEVISION ART EXPERIENCE. 
          ANYWAY, MY QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU BE, UH, WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT SOLUTION ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND THEN THE SINGLE WINDOW IN THE GARAGE ON THE NORTH ELEVATION? UM, SO YOU THINK ABOUT IT FOR A FEW MINUTES? YEAH. 
          AND COMMISSIONER SABINA, IF THAT'S A MOTION, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY AND, BUT YOU OKAY WITH THE SMALLER WINDOWS UNDER NORTH ELEVATION AND ELIMINATING THE TWO WINDOWS? WELL, IS THAT A MOTION OR YOU, UH, IT WAS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL GO FOR A MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? COMMISSIONER SABINO. 
          LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO HERE. 
          UH, LET ME GO BACK TO OUR SHEET. 
          UH, AND, AND JUST TO JUST COMMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE OWNERS DID PROVIDE A LETTER, AND I'M NOT SURE IF Y'ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT, BUT THAT THAT IS THE, KIND OF THE, THE MAIN REASON WHY WE'VE KEPT THE FENESTRATION ON THE, THE CASITA IS, UM, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF ADAMANT ON THE DESIGN AS IT IS. 
          UM, PERSONALLY, I, I'M SURE WE COULD MAKE IT WORK, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE, THE CLIENT HAS REQUESTED, UM, TO KEEP, SO. 
          SURE. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, DID WE HAVE A, A POSITION ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? I CAN TRY AND, AND DO A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT. 
          PLEASE 
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DO. 
          AND THEN WE CAN AMEND IT, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, APPROVAL ITEM ONE, THE STIPULATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST KEEPING THE STIPULATIONS. 
          YOU DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO ITEM ONE THROUGH EIGHT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, ITEM ONE, UM, WITH STIPULATION TO THREE, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS UNDER ITEM, SORRY, NINE ITEM NINE. 
          NINE. 
          ITEM NINE. 
          WITH STIPULATION TWO, THREE, AND FIVE WITH AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION TO MAINTAIN, UH, CAN YOU JUST BRING UP THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ELEVATIONS TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC WINDOWS FIRST FLOOR HISTORIC WINDOW ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, SECOND FLOOR HISTORIC WINDOW ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, , AND, UM, ALLOWING THE APPLICANT, THE RECTANGULAR, INTRODUCING THE WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, ON THE NORTH ELEVATION AS PRESENTED. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          I MEAN, WAS THAT CLEAR? IT WAS, UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT BEGINS TO LOOK A LITTLE AWKWARD. 
          UH, I MEAN, THERE'S, WE HAVE SEEN MANY SUCCESSES OF APPLICANTS KEEPING THE HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE EXTERIOR. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST ALSO FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE MODIFYING AND INTRODUCING WINDOWS ON THE WEST AND THE EAST, UM, WHICH IS ALSO ALREADY, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD SOLUTION AND STILL, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCING SOME OF THE NEWER WINDOWS AND MAKING IT WORK ON THE INSIDE. 
          IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND COME BACK WITH A CHANGE, YOU CAN COME BACK WITH A CHANGE IF IT REALLY BECOMES A HUGE PROBLEM. 
          BUT I THINK THIS IS A PATH FORWARD. 
          OTHER QUES, OTHER COMMENTS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION. 
          WELL, I'LL DEFER TO SABINO AND THEN COMMISSIONER SABINO. 
          OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THANK YOU FOR, UM, COBBLING THROUGH THAT COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. 
          IT, UM, BY KEEPING THOSE FEW WINDOWS, IT, IT'S JUST A STEP FURTHER IN KEEPING THE HISTORY AND THE INTEGRITY OF THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE, WHICH SEEMS TO BE IN, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY GOOD SHAPE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE, YOU ARE ACKNOWLEDGING SOME MODERN ASPECTS TO IT ON THE, IN THE BEDROOM. 
          SO, UM, I WILL SUPPORT THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE, THE PHOTOS, UM, DON'T DO IT JUSTICE IN TERMS OF THE , THE ROUGH SHAPE THAT IT'S IN, BUT, UM, IT DOES, IT, IT IS ALL IN ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WORTH SAVING AND, AND WORTH, UM, MAINTAINING. 
          SO YEAH, APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET ME ADD SOMETHING, IF IN WORST CASE, SOME OF IT'S AN AMENDMENT, WELL, I CAN ADD A STIPULATION IF IT COMES TO THAT YOU CANNOT DO THIS, THEN I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH AN OPTION TO WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT THOSE WINDOWS ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NOT BACK TO THE STAFF, JUST STAFF REUSE A REUSE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN OF THE WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY ON THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? UH, SIR, I'M, I'M GETTING THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FEELING THAT, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE INTIMATELY, UH, YOU HAVE RELATED TO THE DESIGN AND YOU HAVE STRONG OPINIONS. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU BEING, UH, DIPLOMATIC. 
          UM, BUT I, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, HOW DO YOU FEEL, I MEAN, IN THE SHORTEST WAY THAT YOU CAN ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED, I MEAN, IS IS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW ON A MAKE OR BREAK YOU, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PROJECT BECOMES A REALITY, RIGHT? ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          BUT DO YOU FEEL THAT IT RE THAT IT DISTURBS THE INTENT, THE DESIGN INTENT? UM, I MEAN, I, FROM A INTERIOR STANDPOINT, I, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE HIGH WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, AND JUST KNOWING THAT THEY ARE FACING THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UH, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S, I, I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP THE DESIGN AS PRESENTED. 
          UM, I DO UNDERSTAND FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO CONSERVE, UM, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, THOSE ARE KIND OF MY, MY COMMENTS ON THAT. 
          BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I, I'D PREFER TO KEEP IT AS IS. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I, I THINK THE CLIENT WOULD ALSO TOO, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          NA ZUKA AYE. 
          GUEVARA 
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AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WERE WE ABLE TO GET, UH, MS. SMITH BACK FOR MARIPOSA? I BELIEVE SO. 
          SO LET ME SEND YOU THE REQUEST. 
          MS. SMITH. 
          HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI. 
          SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          YES. 
          UH, MS. SMITH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, LEAD US THROUGH YOUR REQUEST? UH, YES. 
          SO, UH, MY NAME'S SHELBY SMITH. 
          I WORK WITH PELLA WINDOWS AND DOORS, AND WE ARE REPRESENTING MR. ED ELLA. 
          UH, HE PURCHASED HIS HOME WITH VINYL, ALUMINUM, AND WOOD WINDOWS ALL INSTALLED. 
          UH, THE REMAINING WOOD WINDOWS HAVE POSED A PROBLEM FOR HIM. 
          UM, THEY HAVE TESTED POSITIVE FOR LEAD. 
          HE IS THE PRIMARY CARETAKER FOR HIS INFANT GRANDCHILD, SO HE'S CONCERNED WITH EXPOSURE THERE. 
          UH, HE'S ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY. 
          HE HAS CURRENTLY SOLAR SHADES ON TOP OF THEM. 
          OTHERWISE, HIS, UH, ELECTRIC BILL IS SUPER HIGH, OR HIS HOUSE IS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. 
          UM, AND THEN HE ALSO SAID THAT THE HOME DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM HIM, UH, HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH FULLY VINYL WINDOWS. 
          SO HE WOULD LIKE TO DO THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. 
          YES, WE HAVE ONE. 
          HI, I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 13 AT 2 0 9 WEST MARIPOSA, H D R C, CASE 2 0 2 3 1 10. 
          MY NAME'S ROBIN FOSTER. 
          I AM AT THREE 19. 
          MARY LOUISE DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO IN THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I AGREE WITH STAFF COMMENTS THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO REPLACE THEIR OLD HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL. 
          SO I WOULD SAY TO THE HOMEOWNERS, PLEASE DON'T DO THIS. 
          YOUR WINDOWS ARE BEAUTIFUL. 
          I HAVE WINDOWS LIKE THIS, AND THEY CAN BE SAVED. 
          THEY'RE NOT IN BAD SHAPE. 
          IT IS DOABLE. 
          , I LEARNED TO DO IT. 
          SO KEEP THESE WOOD WINDOWS ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN VINYL WINDOWS. 
          THEY LOOK HISTORIC, THEY FEEL HISTORIC. 
          THEY'RE MUCH BETTER QUALITY. 
          PLEASE DON'T THROW THESE OLD WINDOWS IN THE LANDFILL. 
          UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANYTHING YOU CAN BUY TODAY. 
          VINYL WINDOWS ARE GONNA GO BAD IN 10 YEARS, BUT IF YOU FIX YOUR WOOD WINDOWS OR HIRE SOMEONE TO FIX THEM, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE AVAILABLE IN SAN ANTONIO, THEY CAN LAST ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          SO PLEASE, I IMPLORE YOU, DO NOT REPLACE YOUR OLD WOOD WINDOW. 
          JUST FIX THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY COMMENTS, MS. SMITH? UH, NO. 
          I DON'T THINK THOSE WINDOWS ARE GONNA LAST A HUNDRED YEARS, BUT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO KEEP THEM. 
          THEY'RE NOT SERVING THE PURPOSE THAT THEY NEED TO BE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THE QUESTION FOR STAFF, IF YOU'LL PUT UP DRAWING 13. 
          SO THE, UH, WINDOWS YOU'RE REQUESTING TO REPLACE ARE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN. 
          AND ALL THE REST, THE ALUMINUM AND VINYL WERE, UH, IN PLACE WHEN YOU'RE, UH, CLIENT BOUGHT THE HOUSE, CORRECT? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          SO REVEREND, THE NEIGHBOR CALLED THANK YOU. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT. 
          THE WINDOWS LOOK LIKE THESE WINDOWS CAN BE REPAIRED, AND SO I'LL MOVE TO DENY THE REQUEST. 
          I'LL SECOND MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE AN AMENDMENT. 
          CAN I JUST, JUST SAY SOMETHING TO IT? UH, MOTION AND SECOND. 
          OH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND FIRST? YES. 
          I'D LIKE TO AMEND THAT THE WOOD WINDOWS BE REPLACED OR RATHER REPAIRED OR REPLACED WITHIN KIND MATERIALS. 
          AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE WOOD CLAD WINDOWS, NEW WOOD CLAD WINDOWS. 
          DO WE DISCUSS THE SECOND, FIRST TIME? UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THE AMENDMENT? YEAH. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          DISCUSS THE AMENDMENT. 
          YES. 
          I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY HAZARDS WITH HAVING LEAD IN THE WINDOWS. 
          THAT LEAD CAN PERMEATE INTO THE WOOD ITSELF. 
          UH, IF, IF IT CAN BE REPLACED AND REMOVED AND CERTIFIED, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          BUT IF NOT, I THINK IT SHOULD RATHER, IF IT CAN BE REPAIRED AND THE LEAD REMOVED FROM THE WOOD, THAT THAT'S GREAT. 
          BUT IF IT CAN'T, THEN I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THEY BE REPLACED WITH, YOU KNOW, WOOD CLAD WINDOWS AS AN OPTION. 
          NEW WOOD CLOUD WINDOWS. 
          [02:55:01]
WHEN YOU SAY WOOD CLAD, ALL WOOD WINDOWS? NO, I THINK THE STIPULATION THAT THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT IF THEY CAN'T BE RE UH, REPAIRED, THAT YOU CAN HAVE A, A WOOD CLAD OVER, UH, ANOTHER MATERIAL. 
          SO THERE'S, CAN YOU CORRECT ME ON THAT STAT? YEAH. 
          SO, UM, YOU'RE REFERRING TO AN ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW, AND THOSE ARE OFTEN RECOMMENDED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR REPLACEMENT OF A WOOD WINDOW. 
          WE RECOMMEND FULLY WOOD. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BASICALLY THE AMENDMENT EXACTLY. 
          REPLACE WITH WOOD WINDOWS AS NEEDED. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP? YEAH. 
          AND JUST TO TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, WELL FIRST THE REQUEST OF THE VINYL TO, TO RESPOND TO THAT. 
          UM, IN MYSELF, IN MY 1930 HOME, ALL THE VINYL WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED, MY WOOD WINDOWS WERE REPLACED WITH VINYL WINDOWS DO NOT OPEN. 
          AND I DO BELIEVE THAT ALL HISTORIC HOMES HAVE LEAD, EVEN IN THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL WOOD FLOORS AND THE WOOD. 
          I MEAN, IT'S ALL OVER. 
          IT'S NOT ONLY THE WINDOWS, IT'S IN THE WALLS, IT'S ANYTHING, EVEN THE WOOD SHELVES, ANYTHING THAT REALLY HAS BEEN PAINTED BACK THEN. 
          SO NOT ONLY THE WINDOWS ARE GIVING THAT RISK, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUSTIFICATION ENOUGH. 
          I THINK THE WINDOWS DO LOOK IN, UH, IN GOOD SHAPE. 
          UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT. 
          MR. CHAIR, MR. MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GRU BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE THE WOOD WINDOWS, THE, UM, AND SHE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THINGS BACK THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY ALL HAD THAT LEAD BASED PAINT, BUT IT CAN BE MITIGATED, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINDOWS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE TAKEN DOWN AND REPAINTED AND ALSO IN THOSE OTHER AREAS. 
          SO I TOO WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING, SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT, BECAUSE I DEFINITELY BELIEVE THIS COULD BE MITIGATED. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          MR. VELAZQUEZ, I WANTED TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF THE, UM, OWNER HAD HAD ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, USING THE HISTORIC REPLACEMENT PELLA WINDOW, THE WOOD, THE WOOD WINDOW QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          HAD, HAD, HAD YOU, HAD Y'ALL HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE PELLA HISTORIC WOOD REPLACEMENT WINDOW? YES. 
          UM, WE DID DISCUSS IT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS JUST OUT OF HIS PRICE RANGE. 
          HE WASN'T ABLE TO AFFORD THAT. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SO WE WILL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST AND CAN STAFF READ BACK THE AMENDMENT? THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS, IF REPAIR IS NOT FEASIBLE, THEN APPROVAL. 
          APPROVAL TO REPLACE WITH A WOOD REPLACEMENT WINDOW. 
          OKAY. 
          CLARIFICATION FOR THE MOTION OF THE AMENDMENT. 
          REPAIR, REPAIR WHEN POSSIBLE, OR REPLACE WITH WOOD. 
          JUST AS A, JUST SO WE HAD A SIMILAR ACTION LAST HEARING OR TWO HEARINGS AGO. 
          UM, WHERE THERE WAS, WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED IN THE MOTION IS THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD ATTEMPT REPAIRS AND DOCUMENT TO STAFF IF A WINDOW WAS BEYOND REPAIR. 
          SO 50% OR MORE OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS WERE, WERE BEYOND SALVAGE. 
          UM, SO THAT COULD BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE MOTION, UM, TO WHERE THERE'S A DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENT TO STAFF. 
          UM, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, IT LEAVES IT A LITTLE BIT OPEN-ENDED. 
          UM, THE INTENT IS BASICALLY FOR ALLOWING REPLACEMENT. 
          I COULD LIVE WITH THAT INTENT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE 50 50% STIPULATION IS, I CAN DO THAT AS WELL. 
          SECOND EXCEPTION THAT STAFF WOULD REVIEW. 
          CORRECT. 
          ARE WE CLEAR? YES. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT MY MOTION. 
          SO YOU'RE YES, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S CLEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MAY HAVE A MO MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE ON THE AMENDMENT, ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT REPAIRABLE STAFF, WELL ANYWAY, ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THE REQUEST HERE IS TO REPLACE, SO THE REQUEST IS TO REPAIR? NO, THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT IS TO REPAIR. 
          OH YEAH. 
          I THOUGHT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MY AMENDMENT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE REQUEST IS REPLACED WITH VINYL. 
          SO EVEN WITH THE AMENDMENT, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY APPROVING THE REQUEST I SUBMITTED. 
          IT'S GONNA APPROVE A WOOD REPLACEMENT WHEN APPROPRIATE, CORRECT? I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING REQUEST WITH VINYL. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          ARE WE ALL CLEAR? NO. 
          SO LET ME, LET ME, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO, OKAY. 
          RE AMENDMENT IS THAT HE BE ALLOWED TO REPAIR AND WHAT I MEAN, REPAIR, REMOVE THE DANGERS OF THE WINDOWS REPAIR. 
          UH, AND IF HE CANNOT REPAIR THAT, HE BE ALLOWED TO REPLACE WITH WOOD WINDOWS. 
          [03:00:03]
AND THEN THE, THERE'S DOCUMENTATION WITH DOCUMENTATION, THE STAFF SAYING THAT, LOOK, I COULDN'T REPAIR THESE WINDOWS. 
          I, WE LOOKED AT IT. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S LEAD IN THERE, WE SCRAPED IT OFF, OR IT'S ROTTED, OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS. 
          HE CANNOT REPAIR IT. 
          THEN HE SHOWED THAT TO STAFF, LIKE, AND THEN HE'D BE ALLOWED TO REPLACE WITH WOOD WINDOWS. 
          IS THAT THE SAME AS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? YES. 
          I'M UNDERSTANDING AS THE SECOND, UH, THE MOTION MAKER'S INTENT. 
          CAN WE SAY, CAN I, CAN I JUST FOR YES. 
          TRY TO CLARIFY? YES, PLEASE. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PREVIOUS MOTION ADOPTED PREVIOUSLY, IF THE, IF IT'S THE REPLACEMENT OF MORE THAN 50% OF THE REQUEST, AT THAT POINT THE APPLICANT HAS TO RETURN TO STAFF TO JUSTIFY THE REPLACEMENT OF MORE THAN CORRECT. 
          THERE'S JUST YES, CORRECT. 
          AND I WILL JUST ADD ONE MORE THING. 
          YES. 
          HOPEFULLY NOT TO COMPLICATE, BUT TO UM, CLARIFY, UM, THIS REPLACEMENT OF A DAMAGED WOOD WINDOW THAT IS BEYOND REPAIR IS ALREADY ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WITH A NEW WOOD WINDOW. 
          SO THEN THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS AMENDMENT THEN. 
          NO. 
          BUT WE HAVE REVIEWED THIS AND WE BELIEVE THAT REPAIR IS FEASIBLE. 
          AND SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          IS THAT THEY WOULD REALLY HAVE TO DOCUMENT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT SEEING NOW, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND, AND, AND NOT, NOT TOO COMPLICATED FURTHER, CORY, I I, I NEED A, AN ANSWER OR AT LEAST AN ATTEMPT. 
          WHAT IS THE POSITION WITH RESPECT TO LED THE MITIGATION OF LEAD WHERE THERE'S A CHILD INVOLVED PENDING TESTIMONY PAINT CAN BE REMOVED FROM WINDOWS AS PART OF THE REPAIR PROCESS SAFELY. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? BASED ON WHAT COREY JUST STATED, I MEAN, IS THE AMENDMENT EVEN REALLY NECESSARY NOW? I I I THINK IT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE PREVIOUS MOTION TO DENY THAN YOU'VE REALIZED. 
          BUT IT DOES ALLOW THE APPLICANT A PATH FORWARD SHOULD THEY FIND DURING THE REPAIR PROCESS THAT SOMETHING IS BEYOND REPAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT A VINYL. 
          IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT A WOOD REPLACEMENT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED. 
          YES. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          NAYYY CASTILLO. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINO NAY. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          GUEVARA AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          NAYYY CERVANTES. 
          YES. 
          HOLLAND NAY AND ZER NAY VOTE MOTION FAILS. 
          OKAY, SO NOW WE VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER GRID. 
          WILL YOU REPEAT YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION? AND BASICALLY IT IS JUST ALL OF THE REQUEST TO REPLACE WITH VINYL AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK IF REPAIRS REPLACED WITH ANYTHING THEY WANT AND THEN THE STAFF, THEN THE APPLICANT CAN BACK STAFF THEY WITH WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH STAFF. 
          WITH STAFF. 
          YEP. 
          I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          GUEVARA AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          POLLEN. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 15. 
          AGENDA ITEM 15, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 93 14 0 7 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING 15 SQUARE FOOT CANOPY, MOUNTAIN MOUNTED ALUMINUM CHANNEL LETTER SIGN WITH A 25 SQUARE FOOT SIGN FEATURING AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED PLASTIC FACE CHANNEL LETTERS IN THE SAME LOCATION. 
          AND TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING 25 SQUARE FOOT ALUMINUM WALL-MOUNTED SIGN WITH THE 25 SQUARE FOOT INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED PLASTIC FACE CABINET SIGN. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS ALUMINUM SIGNAGE OR ANOTHER SIMILARLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL AND THAT ALL SIGNAGE ILLUMINATION IS INDIRECT. 
          BASED ON FINDINGS B AND C, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED MATERIAL AND LIGHTING SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          THE APPLICANT IS WITH US HERE IN PERSON AND THERE IS ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKET, UM, WITH, UH, SUPPORTING THE, THE REQUEST, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, 
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UNION COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, MY NAME IS MARTY SCHLESINGER. 
          I'M THE OWNER OF HUB MARKET BIKE SHOP AT 1407 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          UH, WE WANTED TO PAY RESPECTS TO THE CHILDREN'S SHELTER, UH, FACADE AND MARQUEE THAT WAS PUT UP ORIGINALLY ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO DUE TO THE FACT THAT MY LOGO WAS TOO COMPLICATED IS WHY WE CHOSE TO CHEAP OUT, IF YOU WILL, AND GO WITH A VINYL APPROACH. 
          UM, THE PRINT, I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WOULD NEED TO C AND C CUT OF THE MATERIAL TO MAKE OUR SIGN APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, SO I'VE ADAPTED OUR LOGO AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FOUND SIDE WITH THE OPEN FACE, THE HUB MARKET U IS A SHRADER VALVE FROM A INNER TUBE AND DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO AN OPEN FACE CAN, UM, WITH NEON IT JUST DOESN'T REPLICATE. 
          UM, THE BICYCLE SILHOUETTE WAS THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR THE 25 FOOT SQUARE, FIVE BY FIVE, UH, ILLUMINATION. 
          THERE USED TO BE THE LAMB WITH THE CHILD AND THE MOTHER IN THAT SQUARE. 
          WE WANT TO DO THE SAME TYPE OF RELIEF WITH A BACKLIT CAN, BUT THE ACRYLIC, INSTEAD OF IT GOING INTO THE CAN HAVE IT COME ON THE OUTSIDE WITH OUR SILHOUETTE AND THE LOGO CUT OUT, UH, AND THE ACRYLIC SEPARATING IT BY AN INCH. 
          UM, THE LOGO WOULD BE PAINTED BLACK, THE ACRY IT WOULD BE CLEAR AND THE, UH, GRAY CAN WOULD BE THE SAME AS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE. 
          UH, WHEN THE FOUND LOCATION HAD THEIR SPACE FOR THE MARQUEE. 
          UM, KNOWING THAT WE CAN'T DO A A VINYL BACKLIT, I AM PROPOSING SHOOT, THAT I'M PROPOSING A BASICALLY REVERSE CAN APPROACH, UM, PAINTED FACE WITH THE BLACK SHRADER VALVE IN THE U PAINTED BLACK. 
          THE SIDES WOULD BE THE BASICALLY GRAY OF THE, THE WALL OF THE CAN WITH A BACKING WITH A ONE INCH SPACING. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, THE ONLY TIME THE LIGHTS ARE ON IS FROM SUNSET TO ABOUT NINE 30 AND THEY'VE BEEN ON A TIMER FOR OVER A DECADE AND THAT WILL NOT CHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          DO THESE, DO EITHER OF THESE MEET THE RECOMMENDATIONS? THE, UM, BACKLIGHTING WOULD MEET THE STIPULATION, HOWEVER STAFF WOULD STILL RECOMMEND AN ALUMINUM FACE OR A NON ACRYLIC FACE? IT IT WOULD BE ALUMINUM, IT WOULD BE METAL CUT. 
          UH, I GOT A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH OH. 
          STAFFER AND, AND THE, UH, APPLICANT IN THE, THE PICTURE THAT IS ON PAGE, THE BEFORE AND AFTER. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THE AFTER IS, IS THAT THE WAY THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE IT THE WAY THAT IT'S SHOWN IN THE AFTER, ULTIMATELY I WANTED IT TO BE A BACKLIT CAN MM-HMM. 
           OPEN FACE. 
          I KNOW IT WE'RE HISTORIC, BUT IT'S DATED AND IT DOESN'T REFLECT, WE COULD NOT PULL OFF THE LOOK THAT WE WANTED WITH THIS RADER ON THE U AND THE SOLUTION WAS TO REVERSE THE CANS AND PUT A BACKER BEHIND IT AND DO TO MEET THE CODE AND DO THE REVERSE ILLUMINATION, BUT PAINT THE BACK OF IT SO IT WOULD BE BLACK WITH THE WHITE WHERE THE, THE SHRADER VALVE IS. 
          THAT WAS OUR SOLUTION FOR MODIFYING IT TO MAKE IT WORK WITHIN CODE. 
          AND THAT'S THE OTHER IMAGE THAT YOU SHOWED US? YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE I HAD ON MY CELL PHONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THEN THIS IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CUTTING IT AND ALL THAT IS JUST TOO, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE AS AN OPEN FACE CAN THE UH, BUT BUT THE WAY THAT IT IS THERE THOUGH, I MEAN IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS A VINYL BACKER AND JUST ILLUMINATED CANS, WE COULD MAKE THAT WORK AND FOR STAFF STAFF. 
          WAS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT? UH, THAT SOLUTION? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? THE, THE, WITH THE, THE WAY THAT HE JUST DESCRIBED IT IN THE OTHER METHOD WHERE IT'S A BACK COUNSELOR SHOOTING BACK YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS A, A MODIFICATION TO THE PREVIOUS REQUEST. 
          AND SO STAFF WAS JUST LEARNING ABOUT THIS TODAY. 
          SO IF IT WAS INDIRECT, INDIRECTLY LIT AND FEATURED AN ALUMINUM FACE THAT WOULD MEET THE STIPULATION R RIGHT, BUT I'M SAYING THAT, THAT IF YOU WERE ABLE TO GET THAT THE OTHER ONE DONE, THE WAY THAT IT OBVIOUSLY WENT TO THIS, IT WOULDN'T PASS Y'ALL'S GUIDELINES, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHY DOES IT  IT'S THE LIGHTING METHOD AND SO YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL THAT ONE OVER THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THE ONE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THAT WE REVIEWED INCLUDES AN INTERNALLY LIT PLASTIC FACE. 
          THAT'S WHAT IS RECOMMENDED AGAINST. 
          SO WHAT IS ON THE SCREEN THAT HE BROUGHT IN MEETS THE STIPULATION, WHICH 
          [03:10:01]
IS A REVERSE LIT ALUMINUM FACE. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, AND ASSUMING THAT, THAT HE COULD DO THAT, DO, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE THAT, THAT THAT IS LESS CUMBERSOME THAN THIS? THAT THAT THE MASSING THERE IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THIS? EVEN IF THIS MORE THAN ANYTHING MAY DEMONSTRATE THAT THE GUIDELINE DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN IT BECOMES THAT, I MEAN, I'LL SUPPORT WHAT YOU WANT, SIR, BUT, BUT I, JUST FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, I WOULD PREFER THAT IT'S CLEAR. 
          YOU, YOU STAFF DOESN'T AGREE THAT THAT IS, BUT THEN I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THAT, THAT I'M CORRECT. 
          SO FORGIVE ME FOR PUTTING IT IN THAT WAY. 
          WE DO HAVE SUBWAY 50 FEET AWAY ACROSS THE STREET, AND GRANTED THEY FALL ONE YEAR WITHIN THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE CHANGED FOR SIGNAGE. 
          BUT WE ALSO HAVE MCINTYRE, WHICH IS ANOTHER 150 FEET FARTHER AWAY FROM US, AND THEY'RE BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THEY'VE GOT TWO OF THAT EXACT STYLE WITH THE CANS AND THE VINYL BACKLIT. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND US WITHIN A 300 FOOT RADIUS IS BANNERS HANGING AROUND AND NOBODY'S FILED FOR ANYTHING. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT THIS DRASTIC MI MIX OF HAPHAZARD AND THOSE TRYING TO COMPLY BASICALLY FROM BRACK HIGH SCHOOL ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL YOU GET TO THE GOOD KIND. 
          AGREED. 
          AGREED. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          SO ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE COMMISSIONER GROUP, SORRY, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE MATERIAL AND THE FIBER CLASS, UM, THAT STUFF IS AN INTERNAL ELIMINATION IS BECAUSE OF THE HIGHLY REFLECTIVE MATERIALS. 
          RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. 
          WHAT IF WE WERE TO FIND A, A DIFFUSED FACING INSTEAD OF A HIGH GLOS IF WE MATTERED OUT EXCEPT THAT BEFORE? SO I DON'T SEE IT AS BLACK AND WHITE AS DOWN THERE. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION YES, MA'AM. 
          I MEAN, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED, UM, WITH THE, UH, CONSIDERING NO GLARING MATERIALS OKAY. 
          OR NO MATERIALS THAT WILL, THE INTERNAL RELATIONS SHOULD, YOU KNOW, NOT BE HIGHLY REFLECTIVE MATERIALS. 
          SECOND, IS THAT OKAY? CAN I CLARIFY AS PRESENTED TODAY OR AS PRESENTED IN THE CASE FILE? NO, SORRY, IN THE, IN THE APPLICATION. 
          SECOND. 
          YOUR MOTION, SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          AND, AND JUST REALLY, IT'S JUST A HIGHLY REFLECTIVE MATERIALS. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE REASONS ALSO WHY I'LL, YOU KNOW, ACCEPT THIS IS ALSO BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT YOU ONLY HAVE IT A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY, THAT WHICH IS DONE AND, UH, AT SUNSET DOES GET DONE. 
          UM, AND IF, AND I WOULD SAY THAT SHOULD BE THE REASON EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT, EVERY BUSINESS IS DIFFERENT. 
          YOU KNOW, SUBWAY, ALL THE ONES YOU MENTIONED, EVERYBODY'S DIFFERENT. 
          UM, THIS, THIS, THIS GOES A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT ALREADY WAS THERE EXISTING. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY AS LONG AS YOU KEEP THOSE TIMES, I THINK I'LL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD OKAY. 
          MAKE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER S YEAH. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, STAFF. 
          UM, FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES IS THE MATTE ACRYLIC IS FOR THE, IT'S SIGN NUMBER ONE, THE CANOPY SIGN WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED AND CONFIRMED THAT THE WALL SIGN IS PER YOUR, UM, UM, CHANGES. 
          YEAH, I, I DIDN'T WALL SIGN. 
          WANNA DO THE WALL? THE, THE SQUARE, FIVE FOOT SQUARE UHHUH , UH, 20, THE 25 SQUARE FOOT, UH, SQUARE ON THE SIDE. 
          I WANTED THAT TO BE A RELIEF CUT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT OUR LOGO WAS SO COMPLICATED THAT NOBODY COULD PULL IT OFF. 
          SO I, I CLEANED IT UP SO WE COULD ACHIEVE THAT. 
          SO IN THE MOTION, ARE WE ADDRESSING BOTH SIGNS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SECOND STAND. 
          JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION FOR THE MOTION. 
          SO THEN WE'RE APPROVING IN THE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURE. 
          WE'RE APPROVING THE PICTURE THAT SAYS AFTER, RIGHT. 
          THAT ONE ON THE BOTTOM. 
          AND I'M NOT CITING ANY, DECIDING ON ANY MATERIAL. 
          I'M LEAVING IT UP TO THE APPLICANT JUST TO BRING, TO, BRING TO STAFF. 
          NO, JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT A HIGHLY REFLECTIVE MATERIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          EVA? AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          AGENDA ITEM SIX 16. 
          ITEM 16 ON THE H T R C AGENDA, H T R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 78 22 28 WEST SATCH AVENUE. 
          THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE NON-ORIGINAL VINYL SIDING ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE STRUCTURE AND INSTALL FOUR AND A HALF INCH DOUBLE 
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DUTCH LAP VINYL SIDING. 
          TWO, REPLACE EXISTING SQUARE PORCH POSTS AND DECORATIVE PORCH COLUMN ELEMENTS WITH THREE FOUR BY FOUR SQUARE FRONT PORCH POSTS. 
          THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR, SORRY. 
          UH, THREE. 
          REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR WITH A NEW NON-CONFORMING FRONT DOOR. 
          AND SIDELIGHTS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT EXPOSE AND REPAIR THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING IN KIND ON THE FRONT FACADE. 
          TWO THAT THE APPLICANT ADD A PIE LASTER ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE FRONT PORCH. 
          THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT TO STAFF A WOOD FRONT DOOR THAT CONFORMS TO THE STYLE OF THE PROPERTY AND RETURN THE FRONT DOOR OPENING TO ITS ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION BY REMOVING THE SIDELIGHTS. 
          AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, LUIS GAR, UH, GARCIA IN IN ATTENDANCE. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE NO LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS. 
          GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          I KNOW AU LUIS GARCIA. 
          I'M, UH, THE OWNER OF LAG ENTERPRISES. 
          I WAS HIRED AND BROUGHT ON BY THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DO SOME MODIFICATIONS HERE IN THIS PROPERTY. 
          BUT I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY, I SENT AN EMAIL TO, UM, BRIAN TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY OF THE VINYL FROM THE THREE SITES ONLY TO THE FRONT. 
          THAT WAS MODIFIED BY, BY, UH, THE OWNER. 
          THERE, THERE WAS CEMENT VENEER CLAD THAT WAS BREAKING UP AND SHE DECIDED TO WENT AHEAD AND DO, DO THAT WORK. 
          AND THEN THE DOOR, IT WAS NOT TO REMOVE THE DOOR OR MODIFY THE DOOR, IT WAS JUST TO PAINT IT RED. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, THE, UH, EXISTING FOUR BY FOUR POLES THERE WAS ALREADY THERE. 
          SHE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AS IS UNFORTUNATELY. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE OWNER THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK SO SHE CAN STATE HER INTENTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          HI, UM, I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE WITH THE FIX YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. 
          OH. 
          MY NAME IS MONICA CRUZ. 
          UM, I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AS AN INVESTMENT. 
          UM, MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED FROM COLORADO TO SAN ANTONIO LAST SEPTEMBER, AND I WAS A MORTGAGE UNDERWRITER AND I GOT LAID OFF. 
          WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY, AND SO I DECIDED TO BUY THIS HOUSE. 
          AND, UM, MY INTENTIONS WERE TO MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL AND SO I DIDN'T FEEL I WAS DOING ANYTHING WRONG UNTIL I GOT THAT SIGN PUT ON MY DOOR OR ON THE WINDOW THERE. 
          AND SO I'M HERE TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT BEFORE YOU GUYS. 
          UM, MY HUSBAND PUT THE SIDING UP. 
          UM, AND, AND SO, UM, WE WANNA PAINT THE DOOR RED AND LIKE LUIS SAID, THE, THE POST, UM, WE WERE PLANNING ON, UM, PUTTING, UM, HE HAS THE, THE PICTURE OR WE HAVE THE PICTURE IN MY PHONE OF WHAT I PLAN ON PUTTING THERE OR THERE YOU GO. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. 
          SO, AM I GOOD? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          DID YOU BUY THE HOUSE? LIKE IT IS ON SLIDE EIGHT IF STAFF CAN PULL UP SLIDE EIGHT. 
          THAT IS THE HOUSE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BASICALLY I DON'T SEE THE SIDELIGHTS THERE. 
          WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED? YES. 
          LIKE ON THE FRONT DOOR YOU ADDED THAT. 
          SO YOU CHANGED THE FRONT DOOR. 
          YES. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S REQUEST NUMBER THREE. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT'S REQUEST ITEM THREE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST PAINTING THE DOOR, IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY REPLACED AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PUT IT BACK TO HOW IT WAS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO REMOVE THE SIDELIGHTS OR THE, UH, MAY I ASK WHY? BECAUSE THERE'S A TON OF HOUSES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE HAVE THE SAME DOOR. 
          AND I CAN RELATE TO THAT. 
          I THINK FIRST POINT IS, UM, THE JUST, THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY. 
          THE GUIDELINES. 
          WELL, THE GUIDELINES AS THAT IS, IS YOU'RE MODIFYING HISTORIC OPENINGS, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO YOU'RE REMOVING SIDING WHERE THERE WAS SITING. 
          SO I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THIS. 
          WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE TO HAVE THOSE DOORS. 
          EVERY HOUSE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, PERSONALLY LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME OF THESE HOMES WERE BUILT AT A LATER TIME. 
          I, IN MY SEVEN, ALMOST EIGHT YEARS ON THIS COMMISSION, WE HAVE ONLY APPROVED ONE 
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CHANGE OF ONE DOOR IN ONE HOME IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THIS. 
          YOU CAN SHOW ME AS MANY EXAMPLES AS YOU WANT. 
          I WANT YOU TO DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S SIGHTING LIGHTS OR NOT, IT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS A MODIFIC MODIFICATION LIKE CUT IN THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING AND YOU MODIFY THE OPENING OF THE FRONT DOOR THAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. 
          AND I THINK ON THE SIDING, IT'S THE SAME AS REPAIR THE ORIGINAL SIDING INSTEAD OF JUST COVERING IT UP. 
          BECAUSE I MEAN, IT IS A HISTORIC HOME AND I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING WAS REMOVED, WHATEVER WAS REMOVED, THEN WE ALSO JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T WANNA CHANGE ANYTHING, BETTER NOT TO REMOVE IT. 
          AND I THINK ON THE POST I'LL THE ORIGINAL YOU, YOU HAVE LIKE TWO SETS OF POSTS. 
          WHAT STAFF IS NOT ASKING YOU TO REDO THE POST. 
          THEY'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO PUT POST ON BOTH SIDES. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE HOW YOU, WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT, SO IT DOESN'T CREATE ANY MODIFICATIONS FROM WHAT THERE WAS THERE HISTORICALLY. 
          WAS THAT A MOTION? NO. 
          I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE FOR STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          YOU HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? I, I HAD A QUESTION. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER ZUKA. 
          SO THE ORIGINAL DOOR, THE ORIGINAL PORCH, THE SLIDE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BLUE ON THE RIGHT, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL POST. 
          JUST ASK NO, I THINK THE, THE ORIGINAL PORCH CONFIGURATION WAS, SORRY, UH, WAS THIS, UH, SORT OF SCROLLED TWO POSTS WITH TRELLIS BETWEEN, UH, WHAT STAFF IS ASKING IS THAT THE POLE REPLACEMENT IS FINE. 
          WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGN CONFORMS TO GUIDELINES BY INTRODUCING A PILE LASTER SO THAT IT'S TWO POSTS ON EACH SIDE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, I'VE GOT A ONE QUESTION, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THE, THE MATERIAL THAT APPEARS TO BE LIKE AN , THAT THAT'S VINYL N ON THE ORIGINAL PICTURE? YES, ON THAT'S VINYL. 
          THAT WAS, UM, THAT LOOKED, APPEARED LIKE BRICK THAT WAS ROTTING. 
          SO IN OUR PROCESS OF TRYING TO MAKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER, WHICH WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG, WAS PUTTING VINYL BACK ONTO THAT. 
          SO, SO, SO DOES THAT, DOES THAT QUALIFY AS A ONE FOR ONE OR REPLACEMENT IN KIND? NO. 
          TYPICALLY IF VINYL OR YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF COVERUP IS REMOVED, UM, YOU STILL NEED APPROVAL FOR WHAT YOU PUT BACK. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING IS THERE, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO TRY TO SALVAGE AND REPAIR THAT WOOD SIDING BEFORE GOING BACK OVER WITH A COVERUP. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT NOW IN, IN TERMS OF, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WOULD DO BASED ON, YOU KNOW, YOUR GUIDELINE OF A, OF A MATERIAL REPLACEMENT FOR MATERIAL, EXISTING MATERIAL, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THERE WASN'T WOOD THERE, SO IN, IN A MOTION WE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO SAY WOOD IF THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL SIGHTING IN THIS PICTURE, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE DIFFERENT. 
          LIKE IF IT ALREADY HAD NON-ORIGINAL SIDING ONLY, THEN I THINK WE COULD CONSIDER A, AN ALTERNATE VERSUS THE WOOD. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S LITERALLY A REQUEST TO COVER UP ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING WITH VINYL BECAUSE THEY TOOK IT DOWN AND THERE WOULD BE NO REQUIREMENT TO REMOVE VINYL THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED. 
          BUT BECAUSE THAT WAS REMOVED NOW THERE'S, THERE'S A REQUEST THAT'S NEEDED TO BE APPROVED TO INSTALL THE NEW MATERIAL. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE PORCH SUPPORTS AND AS WE'RE REQUESTING THEM TO REPLACE THE FOUR, UM, AND FOUR BY FOURS INCLUDING THE PILE LASTER TO CREATE THE ILLUSION OF THAT DOUBLED, UM, SUPPORT MISSING THE, THE IRON WORK IN BETWEEN. 
          YOU GO BACK TO YOUR OTHER DRAWING, IT DOES SHOW TWO AND TWO, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BUT BUT YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THE IRON INSERT BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          OH OH. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT. 
          CAN WE ASK FOR, OR I JUST WANNA ASK THEM, WE MAY NOT HAVE TO ADD IT TO THE MOTION, UM, TO INCLUDE THE BASE AND THE CAPITAL TRIM THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE. 
          SURE. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PICTURE OF THE HOUSE, THE HOMEOWNER DID THAT. 
          SHE PUT CONCRETE IN A BUCKET. 
          SO IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME TO DO IS TO PUT THE CONCRETE, JUST SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT? 
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NUMBER EIGHT WILL SHOW IT. 
          JUST LIKE, AND I'M SORRY IF I, IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I WANNA MOVE ON WITH THIS PROJECT AND, AND BE DONE WITH IT. 
          IT'S BEEN ON HOLD, UM, SINCE, SINCE AUGUST. 
          SO YOU'RE WANTING ME TO MR. S I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE PROOF ENOUGH STAFF. 
          DO YOU HAVE PROOF THAT IT HAD THAT YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE PHOTOS HERE THAT IT HAS THE TRIM AT THE TOP AND BASE ON THE FRONT PORCH OF YOU. 
          YOU SEE THE TRIM, THE LITTLE ONE BY TRIM ON THE BASE AND THE ONE BY TRIM AT THE TOP. 
          AND, AND WHAT IS THE CONCRETE, THE CONCRETE BUCKET THERE? WHAT ARE THOSE BUCKETS? DO THAT COFFEE CANS? YEAH. 
          ON PHOTO 13. 
          JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ALREADY IS A PILASTER ON THE LEFT SIDE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          ? YEAH. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          GOOD. 
          GOOD CALL. 
          YEAH, JUST RETAIN THAT AND ADD, SO ADDING THE TWO OTHER COLUMNS THAT YOU'VE SHOWN IN YOUR DRAWING SKETCH, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
           MM-HMM. 
          AND, AND ADDING HIM IN THE TRIM AT THE TOP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I SAY THE BOTTOM TRIM ON TOP OF THE BOTTOM AND ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS CLARIFICATION, BUT NOW THAT YOU'RE REDOING THE SIDING, MAKE SURE THAT THE ORIGINAL TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS STATES RIGHT AS ORIGINAL TOO. 
          AND, AND TO THE CONTRACTOR. 
          I MEAN, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE BEEN STALLED SINCE AUGUST. 
          UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE THE CONTRACTOR. 
          YOU'RE THE CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT WAS STILL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND FOR ANY FUTURE PROJECTS. 
          SO YOU DON'T GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. 
          I'VE GONE DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE, BUT I WAS BROUGHT ON JUST ON AUGUST 23RD, SO I'VE BEEN HELPING HER GET THE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          IT'S JUST BEEN A LITTLE BIT OVER OVERWHELMED. 
          SO DON'T, OKAY, SO I MEAN, AND NEW TO THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DELAY IS, YOU KNOW. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT HER HERE SO SHE CAN UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKO. 
          AYE. 
          EVADO. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES. 
          YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND UH, CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER, UH, CERVANTES? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A ADMINISTRATIVE MOTION OR PROCEDURAL MOTION. 
          I WANNA MOVE, MAKE, UH, SEE IF WE CAN GET OURSELVES ON TRACK HERE, UH, FOR FURTHER MEETINGS. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT, UH, WHEN A D R C OR SITE VISIT COMES, UH, UH, GETS PRESENTED TO THE, UH, COMMISSION THAT THE MOER OR THE SECOND, AT LEAST ONE OF THEM ATTEND THE D R C OR THE SITE VISIT. 
          AND THEN ALSO WHEN ANY NOTES COME FROM THE, UH, UH, SITE VISIT OR DRCS THAT IT'S, ESPECIALLY IF IT ADDRESSES A STIPULATION THAT THAT BE KIND OF NOTED ON THERE, HEY, STIPULATION, YOU KNOW, ONE B, YOU KNOW, AT D R C THIS WAS COMMENTED ON. 
          AND THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF HAVE SOME LITTLE BIT OF CONTINUITY. 
          IT MAKES IT LESS FRUSTRATING FOR THE, UH, FOR EVERYONE. 
          I THINK THAT IS MY MOTION. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE D R C, THE SITE. 
          I HAVE A JOB NINE TO FIVE, THE SITE. 
          I'LL SECOND AT NINE 30 IN THE MORNING. 
          I ALREADY TOLD YOU FROM THE BEGINNING, I CAN NEVER ATTEND THOSE. 
          TO BE CLEAR, MR. CHAIR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS. 
          ALSO, IT WAS NOT AN, AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF IS NOTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND COMMISSIONER GROUP, TO YOUR POINT, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE REGULAR SCHEDULE NOW THAT IT'S COOLING OFF. 
          THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON IS BECAUSE FIVE IN THE AFTERNOON WAS NOT A GREAT TIME FOR SITE VISITS THIS SUMMER. 
          AND COREY OR ALMA, JUST FOR, FOR UH, UNDERSTANDING, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES MOTION, WOULD, WOULD A MOTION LIKE THAT REQUIRE A, UH, U D C AMENDMENT? IT'S JUST, IT'S A COMMISSION POLICY? NO, I'M JUST, I MEAN WE DO HAVE A RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT THAT POLICY COULD BE INCLUDED IN, BUT WE'VE SAID THIS BEFORE. 
          I MEAN, COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOURAGED EACH OTHER IF YOU MAKE THE MOTION TO REFER TO D R C THAT YOU BE SURE TO ATTEND. 
          SO THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS COME UP. 
          SO HOW DO WE GET THAT PUT IN AS FAR AS PROCEDURE? YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S RETRAIN. 
          COREY, I'LL ASK YOU AGAIN. 
          HOW DO WE GET THAT PUT IN THERE AS PROCEDURE? THAT'S PROBABLY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. 
          IT'S A, IT WOULD BE AN UPDATE TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. 
          YOU REQUEST THAT IN AN EMAIL THAT IT BE PLACED ON THE NEXT AGENDA TO THE CHAIR AND THEN THEY WOULD, SO THEN THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. 
          AND THEN I WOULD REQUEST THAT, THAT GET PUT ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND THEN WE VOTE ON IT. 
          COURSE YOU COUNT IT AS AN ABSENCE FOR ANY, ANY COMMISSIONER AS A MEETING ABSENCE, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD COUNT THREE ABSENCES MISSED ON A COMMISSION OR ON A MEETING HERE. 
          UH, YOU COUNT THAT AGAINST THE, UH, COMMISSION. 
          WHY DON'T, AS A NEXT STEP WE SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE ISSUES. 
          AND AS YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE OUR ANNUAL TRAINING WHERE WE TALK ABOUT A LOT OF THESE KIND OF SCHEDULING THINGS. 
          UM, THAT MIGHT ALSO BE A GOOD FORUM FOR THAT. 
          IN THE MEANTIME, GET IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME THEN. 
          IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? I WOULD RECOMMEND, WELL WE HAVE THE WORK SESSION AND THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER PROCEDURAL ISSUES THAT, THAT SOMEONE MAY WANT 
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TO ADD. 
          UM, I AGREE MR. CHAIR. 
          SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS AT THE NEXT HEARING HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT IS BASICALLY THE QUESTION TO HAVE A FUTURE ITEM, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL ACTION TO DO SOMETHING. 
          UM, SO WE CAN WORK TOWARDS THAT FOR THE NEXT AGENDA. 
          BUT YOU CAN HAVE A WORK SESSION BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN YEAH, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND A WORK SESSION AS THE NEXT STEP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          TAKE WHAT I CAN GET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          . 
          THAT'S THE ONE THING.
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