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          GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          THE TIME IS NOW, NOW 12, UH, ON 12 OCTOBER, 2023. 
          I'M DWAYNE NELSON. 
          I'M THE CHAIR FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          UH, THE MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER. 
          LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          DWAYNE NELSON. 
          PRESENT FRED ANDIS. 
          PRESENT. 
          KAYLA MIRANDA. 
          PRESENT MS. BROWN. 
          HERE. 
          JOEL SOLIS. 
          PRESENT. 
          LENCIA HAYES. 
          DR. 
          LIN RODRIGUEZ LOPEZ. 
          JESSE ZUNIGA. 
          PRESENT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ARE ERIC BURNS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          AMIN TOMAS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR MICHAEL ESTI, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER. 
          JUDY KRUM, B S B LIAISON ES ORTIZ, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SPECIALIST. 
          AND MYSELF, JENNIFER MARTINEZ, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO CHAIR. 
          A QUORUM IS PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          A QUORUM IS PRESENT. 
          PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONE OR ANY DEVICE THAT MIGHT DISRUPT THIS PUBLIC HEARING. 
          NO PERSON SHALL DELAY OR DISRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS OR DISOBEY THE ORDERS OF THE CHAIR. 
          IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON A CASE, YOU'LL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES. 
          HOWEVER, AN OWNER OR OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE UNLIMITED TIME. 
          PLEASE KEEP ALL INFORMATION RELEVANT TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND THE CODE VIOLATION AS ADVISED PRIOR TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING, THE CITY WILL PROVIDE TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR ANYONE NEEDING ASSISTANCE. 
          IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE MADE SUCH ARRANGEMENTS AS ADVISED IN YOUR NOTICE OF HEARING. 
          OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU SUBMITTED THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS PRIOR TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A PROPERTY OWNER OR LIEN HOLDER OF A DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE CASE IS TO DEMONSTRATE THE FOLLOWING. 
          NUMBER ONE, PROVIDE THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS. 
          DISCUSS YOUR DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK WITH A COST FOR EACH ITEM OUTLINED IN ORDER TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE CODE OFFICER. 
          NUMBER TWO, SUBMIT THE REQUIRED PROOF OF FINANCIAL ABILITY TO PAY FOR PROPOSED WORK AND DISCUSS FEASIBILITY OF REPAIRS, DEPEND UPON MONIES AT HAND. 
          AND NUMBER THREE, REQUEST THE AMOUNT OF TIME NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE WORK. 
          ALL ABATEMENTS ORDERED BY THE BOARD SHALL BE ENFORCED. 
          ALL WORK PROPOSED MUST BE DONE WITHIN CODE REGULATIONS WITH REQUIRED PERMITS PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF WORK. 
          YOU MAY OBTAIN ALL PERMITS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES LOCATED AT THIS FACILITY AT 1901 SOUTH ALAMO STREET, SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 0 4 IF IN DOUBT AS TO THE PROCESS DURING THE TIME, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CODE OFFICER. 
          ANY OWNER OR LIEN HOLDER DISSATISFIED WITH THE ORDER OF THIS BOARD MAY FILE AN APPEAL IN CIVIL DISTRICT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THE DATE THE ORDER IS MAILED. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ORDERS, PLEASE CONTACT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF MEMBER BY PHONE. 
          (210) 207-5422. 
          PLEASE NOTE THAT IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON PRESENT TO SOLICIT OR PEDAL SERVICES REGARDING ANY PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THIS BOARD DURING THE COURSE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AS PER CITY CODE SECTION 16 DASH 2 36. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET'S HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
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MINUTES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO, TO THE BOARD. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY THE BOARD HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW 'EM. 
          CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE MINUTES. 
          MR. CHAIR, THIS IS FRED ANDES. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS IS. 
          MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS IS DO I AND A SECOND BY MS. BROWN. 
          UH, VOICE VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          MR. CHAIR ALSO, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE DATE OF SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2023. 
          THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. 
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AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE, ACTUALLY, LET'S HAVE, UH, THE STAFF PRESENTATION. 
          GOOD MORNING BOARD. 
          MICHAEL ESTI, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, THE STRUCTURE, WE HAVE, UH, TWO EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS TO READ IN TODAY. 
          THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 1 1 3 1 MCVAY LOCATED IN DISTRICT ONE WAS FULLY DEMOLISHED AS 
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AN EMERGENCY ON SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2023 DUE TO AN EXTENSIVE FIRE, WHICH OCCURRED ON SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2023. 
          PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 75, NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME. 
          BLESS YOU. 
          THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 4 0 5 SOUTH, EXCUSE ME, SOUTH SAN EDUARDO AVENUE LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE WAS FULLY DEMOLISHED AS AN EMERGENCY ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2023 DUE TO EXTENSIVE FIRE, WHICH OCCURRED ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2023. 
          PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 75, NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME. 
          THAT IS ALL. 
          DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OUR FIRST CASE THIS MORNING IS GOING TO BE 49 39 IRMA AVENUE. 
          GOOD MORNING BOARD. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS CRYSTAL TOWN DANGEROUS PREMISE OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          THE STRUCTURE BEING PRESENTED TODAY IS LOCATED AT 4 9 3 9 IRMA AVENUE WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST TIME 4 9 3 9 IRMA AVENUE IS BEING PRESENTED BEFORE THE BOARD. 
          PLEASE NOTE ON JANUARY 31ST, 2023, A DANGEROUS ASSESSMENT RESPONSE TEAM INSPECTION WAS CONDUCTED. 
          THE INSPECTION IS A COLLABORATED INSPECTION WITH A VARIETY OF CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT INCLUDED THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION IS N C B 1 0 4 8 0 BLOCK ONE, LOT THREE LOCATED IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX. 
          THE OWNER ON RECORD IS JESUS SALINAS ESTATE OF LUCIO H PERO WITH A MAILING ADDRESS OF 4 9 3 9 IRMA AVENUE. 
          THERE IS A REPRESENT, EXCUSE ME, A REPRESENTATIVE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT HERE TO SPEAK AND A SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER MAURICE, HERE TO SPEAK ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THE OWNER IS NOT PRESENT. 
          DOES THE BOARD WISH TO CONTINUE? YES, MA'AM. 
          PLEASE. 
          THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS CONFIRMED ON AUGUST 21ST, 2023. 
          THE PROPERTY IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          THE FIRST INSPECTION REGARDING 4 9 3 9 IRMA AVENUE WAS CONDUCTED ON JANUARY 31ST, 2023. 
          THE ORIGINAL NOTICE WAS MAILED ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 2023, AND THE CERTIFIED RECEIPT WAS RETURNED UNCLAIMED ON FEBRUARY 26TH, 2023 ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2023. 
          THE NOTICE FOR THE B S B HEARING WAS POSTED AT 4 9 3 9 IRMA AVENUE ON SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2023. 
          THE NOTICE FOR THE B S B HEARING WAS MAILED TO THE ESTATE OF LUCIO H PERO JESUS SALINAS, AND THE CERTIFIED RECEIPT WAS RETURNED UNCLAIMED ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2023. 
          ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2023, AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT WAS EXECUTED TO OBTAIN PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE STRUCTURE TO PRESENT BEFORE B S B. 
          NO SCOPE OF WORK OR FINANCIAL PROOF OR LETTER OF CREDIT OR ENGINEER'S REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED. 
          NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          A NOTICE TO VACATE WAS POSTED ON AUGUST 22ND, 2023 DUE TO NO WATER SERVICE AND MEANS OF EGRESS. 
          THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          THE TRANSIT SIDING IS DETACHING FROM THE STRUCTURE OR IS MISSING COMPLETELY. 
          THE GABLE ROOF SYSTEM IS WORN. 
          THE SHINGLES ARE MISSING IN SOME AREAS. 
          UM, AND THERE IS A SLIGHT SAG IN THE ROOF SYSTEM AND THE FACIAL BOARDS ARE LACKING WEATHER PROTECTION. 
          THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          THE TRANSIT SIDING, UH, IS MISSING IN SOME AREAS. 
          THE FACIAL BOARD LACKS WEATHER PROTECTION. 
          THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          AGAIN, FASCIA BOARDS ARE LACKING WEATHER PROTECTION AND THE WINDOWS ARE BROKEN. 
          THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          AGAIN, UH, TRANSIT SITING IS MISSING. 
          UH, SOME OF THE WOODEN STUDS ARE EXPOSED, UM, AND ARE ROTTED WITH WATER DAMAGE. 
          THE RIGHT PORTION IS A WATER CLOSET. 
          THE ROOF IS COMPLETELY DETERIORATED. 
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THIS IS GOING INTO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF TRASH AND DEBRIS. 
          UH, THE FLOOR COVERING IS MISSING, EXPOSING THE SLAB FOUNDATION, WHICH HAS A LOT OF, UH, STAINS, WATER DAMAGE OR URINE. 
          HERE, THE SHEET ROCK WAS STARTING TO COLLAPSE, SO THEY DECIDED TO NAIL A PALLET TO THE CEILING TO KEEP IT FROM FALLING. 
          THIS WOULD BE THE DINING ROOM AREA. 
          AGAIN, A LARGE AMOUNT OF ITEMS. UM, THE SHEET ROCK DOES HAVE A HOLE IN IT. 
          THAT PORTION THAT IS FALLING FROM THE CEILING IS ACTUALLY CARDBOARD THAT WAS SPRAY PAINTED THE SAME COLOR AS THE CEILING. 
          THIS IS THE KITCHEN AREA. 
          AGAIN, THE, UH, THE FLOOR COVERING IS MISSING, EXPOSING THE SLAB. 
          UM, THERE IS NO, UH, COOKING AREA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, AND THERE'S CRACKS IN THE SHEET ROCK HERE. 
          THE, UH, SHEET ROCK IS MISSING EXPOSING SOME OF THE WOOD MEMBERS THAT ARE ROTTED WITH WATER DAMAGE. 
          HERE'S THE HALLWAY. 
          UM, THERE IS SLIGHT CRACKS AND THE SLAB FOUNDATION AND THE SHEET ROCK HAS BEEN TORE UP. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE BEDROOM AREAS. 
          AGAIN, A LARGE AMOUNT OF ITEMS, UM, CAUSING AN ISSUE FOR MEANS OF EGRESS. 
          IN CASE OF FIRE OR PANIC, THE LIGHT FIXTURE IS HANGING FROM THE CEILING AND THERE IS A CRACK IN THE SHEET ROCK WITH SLIGHT WATER DAMAGE. 
          THIS IS THE BATHROOM AREA. 
          THE BATHTUB HAS COMPLETELY BEEN REMOVED FROM THE, THE STRUCTURE AND IT EXPOSING THE WOOD MEMBERS. 
          THE WOOD MEMBERS ARE, UM, ROTTED WITH WATER DAMAGE AS WELL. 
          THIS IS ANOTHER BEDROOM AREA. 
          UM, THEY ARE SLEEPING ON AIR MATTRESSES AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, UH, THERE'S SOME SLIGHT CRACKS IN THE SLAB. 
          JUST ANOTHER BACK BEDROOM WITH A LARGE AMOUNT OF TRASH AND THE DOOR IS MISSING. 
          SO THIS IS THE WATER CLOSET AREA. 
          AGAIN, IT'S JUST USED FOR TRASH AND THE ROOF, UH, IS COMPLETELY DETERIORATED WITH WATER DAMAGE. 
          SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS FROM THE DAY OF THE DART TO SHOW THAT NO PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE AND THE DETERIORATION OVER TIME. 
          SO THIS AGAIN, IS THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND THIS IS GOING INTO THE FRONT DOOR. 
          AND THIS WAS THE HALLWAY. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE DEFINITELY THERE WAS A CHANGE WITH THE HALLWAY. 
          UM, THEY'VE STARTED TO TEAR UP SHEET ROCK AND STARTED TO TRY TO DO SOME UNPERMITTED WORK. 
          AND THIS WAS THE BATHROOM THE DAY OF THE DART. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE BATHTUB'S NOW MISSING AND THEY'VE TORN UP SOME OF THE OTHER FIXTURES. 
          THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 4 9 3 9 IRMA AVENUE IS IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER 6, 1 56, SUBSECTIONS 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18, WHICH ANY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE WHICH HAS ANY OR ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OR DEFECTS HEREINAFTER DESCRIBED SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE A DANGEROUS BUILDING AND A HAZARD TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. 
          PROVIDED THAT SUCH CONDITIONS OF DEFECTS OF DILAPIDATION, SUBSTANDARD, OR UNFITNESS FOR HUMAN HABITATION POSE, A THREAT OR POTENTIAL THREAT TO LIFE, HEALTH, PROPERTY, OR HUMAN SAFETY STACK RECOMMENDS DEMOLITION. 
          THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION OF 4 9 3 9 IRMA AVENUE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTION TO THE CODE OFFICER? I'M SORRY, UNI MR. ZUNIGA. 
          OKAY. 
          HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONTACT, UH, MS WITH MR. SALINAS? NO. 
          THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY CONTACT WITH, UM, JESUS SALINAS. 
          AS FAR AS ANYONE KNOWS, AS RUMOR GOES, HE'S DECEASED. 
          OKAY. 
          THE WATER'S OFF AND, UH, THE ELECTRICITY'S STILL ON. 
          YES, THERE IS STILL ACTIVE ELECTRICITY AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS FRED ANDIS. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          ON 1 31 2023, A DART WAS INSPECTED. 
          YOU NOTE IN HERE IN BIG BOLD LETTERS, NOTICE TO VACATE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THEN YOU GIVE A LIST IN HERE, BIG BOLD LETTERS, NO ROOF, EXTERIOR, PLUMBING, ELECTRIC. 
          THEN THERE'S NOTHING UNTIL 7 27. 
          ALMOST SEVEN MONTHS LATER. 
          THEN PROPERTY HAS NOT OR REMAINS 
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OCCUPIED. 
          SAWS CUT THE WATER OFF. 
          THE ELECTRICITY STILL HAS AN ACTIVE METER AND NO REPAIRS HAVE BEEN MADE. 
          AND THEN ON EIGHT 11, YOU'RE BACK AGAIN. 
          8 22, YOU'RE BACK WITH ANOTHER VACATE POSTED. 
          ALL THAT TIME, PEOPLE ARE IN THERE. 
          IF YOU PUT A NOTICE OF VACATE ON THE FIRST ONE, WAS THERE A NOTE SENT TO, UH, C P S TO CUT SERVICE? IF THE WATER HAS ALREADY BEEN CUT, THAT AUTOMATICALLY MEANS THEY CAN'T LIVE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON JANUARY AND 31ST, THAT WAS THE DAY OF THE DART, RIGHT? THAT WASN'T WHEN A NOTICE TO VACATE WAS POSTED. 
          IT SAYS IT ON HERE. 
          A NOTICE TO VACATE WAS NOT POSTED THE DAY OF THE DART. 
          THAT MEANS THAT A NOTICE OF VACATE WAS PENDING. 
          THOSE NOTES IN THERE ARE THE NOTES FROM THE ACTUAL DART INSPECTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I'M READING WHAT IT SAYS. 
          NOTICE ATE, VACATE NOTICE, DOESN'T SAY PENDING. 
          A NOTICE OF VACATE WAS NOT POSTED THAT DAY. 
          I STEPPED FOOT AND VISUALIZED THE PROPERTY THE FIRST TIME IN JULY. 
          SO THE JULY INSPECTION WAS WHEN I FIRST SAW THE PROPERTY. 
          THE PREVIOUS DANGEROUS PREMISE OFFICER DID THE DART INSPECTION. 
          I INHERITED THE CASE BACK IN JULY. 
          SO IN JULY, WHEN I WENT TO THE PROPERTY AND NOTICED THAT THERE WERE INDIVIDUALS STILL AT THE PROPERTY AND THEN SOME OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT WAS GOING ON, NOTIFIED BY SAFE, THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE NOTICE OF VACATE DONE. 
          WE DID ANOTHER INTERIOR INSPECTION TO VERIFY WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE INSIDE AND ESCALATED THE CASE TO COME TO THE BOARD TODAY. 
          SO WHEN I READ THIS, IT DOESN'T SAY IT WASN'T POSTED. 
          IT SAYS NOTICE TO VACATE IT WAS PENDING. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHEN I LOOK AT THAT. 
          I SEE IT WAS POSTED. 
          NOW YOU WENT OUT THERE 7 27. 
          YES. 
          THAT WAS YOUR FIRST WHERE THE WATER WAS CUT OFF. 
          SO THERE WAS NO ACTIVE WATER THE DATE THAT I WENT OUT THERE, RIGHT? YES. 
          I VERIFIED WITH SAWS THAT THERE WAS NO WATER. 
          AND THEN A FEW DAYS, ACTUALLY A MONTH, ALMOST A MONTH. 
          11, 8 11. 
          YOU WENT OUT THERE FOR NOTICE OF VACATE? I BELIEVE THAT THE EIGHT 11 I WENT OUT THERE FOR THE WARRANT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          8 22 IS NOTICE OF VACATE. 
          YES. 
          SO AFTER THE WATER SHUT OFF, AND WE GO THROUGH THIS ALL THE TIME, WHEN THE WATER SHUT OFF, THEY'VE AUTOMATICALLY CAN'T LIVE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE DID THE NOTICE TO VACATE, BUT AS YOU KNOW, THE NOTICE TO VACATE NEEDS TO BE, IT CAN ONLY BE ENFORCED ONCE IT'S GONE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE TODAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE THIS IS GETTING TO BE REPETITIVE ABOUT THE NOTICE OF VACATE. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS LEGAL, IF I MAY, FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          UH, THE CITY'S NOT GOING TO TO PHYSICALLY REMOVE ANYBODY FROM ANY PROPERTY UNTIL THIS BOARD GIVES AN ORDER TO VACATE. 
          NOW THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, ASK FOR A NOTICE TO VACATE THAT NOTICE TO VACATE HAS TO BE APPROVED BY, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND UH, UH, HIGHER UPS THERE. 
          BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE CITY IS NOT GOING ON ANYBODY'S PROPERTY AND REMOVING ANYBODY WITHOUT THIS BOARD ORDERING A NOTICE TO VACATE. 
          AND NOT UNTIL THE APPEAL PROCESS TO CHALLENGE THAT THAT VACATE ORDER IS EXPIRED. 
          SO THEN THE NEXT QUESTION, WHY ARE WE IN THE ORDINANCE? IF THE WATER IS CUT OFF CITY ORDINANCE, THAT IS NO LONGER THE PEOPLE CAN LIVE THERE. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO GO ONTO A PROPERTY AND PHYSICALLY REMOVE PERSONS WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF JUDICIAL OR QUASI-JUDICIAL ORDER THAT HAS IT'S APPEAL PROCESS EXPIRED. 
          IT'S JUST NOT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. ANDES. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          IT'S NOT THE MEETING MEETINGS OF THE MIND. 
          HAVE, LET ME, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU IF I MAY THIS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE'RE GONNA TABLE THIS TO EXEC, I MEAN TO IT ADMINISTRATIVE TIME. 
          ADMINISTRATIVE TIME, YES. 
          BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. 
          WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AT ADMINISTRATIVE TIME. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE PER SE OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN THAT YOU LEGAL IN, IN 9 28, YOU ALSO BEEN OUT THERE AND THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING WENT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, SUPPOSEDLY THEY GOT THEIR LETTERS TO COME AND MEET IN FRONT OF THE BOARD BEFORE IT COMES HERE. 
          SO I'M JUST ASKING WHY IT'S TAKING SO LONG. 
          IF THIS IS IN PLACE AND WE'RE NOT PROBLEM, MR. ANDERSON, I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN THAT WE DO THIS DISCUSSION AT ADMINISTRATIVE TIME. 
          IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE STRUCTURE PER SE, PLEASE ASK THAT QUESTION. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          LEGAL, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO CHALLENGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO RESPOND. 
          WHATEVER ORDER 
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WE, WE GIVE TODAY AFTER THEY RECEIVE THE NOTICE, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS. 
          THEY DO TO, OKAY. 
          THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MR. ANDERS, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THI HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THIS BOARD WERE TO GIVE ANY PROPERTY A NOTICE TO VACATE, THE CITY IS NOT GOING ON TO THAT PROPERTY TO VACATE IT AT ALL UNTIL THE EXPIRATION OF THAT APPEAL. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION HERE. 
          HOW DID THE VA GET INVOLVED? IS, IS THERE A LIEN ON IT OR THAT THE LETTERS WERE SENT TO THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION? I'M SORRY. 
          CAN, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION? JUST THE LETTERS WERE MM-HMM. 
           MAIL 1 0 2 1 0 2, THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, HOW DID IT GET INVOLVED? OR MAYBE I, I CAN, I CAN EXPLAIN THAT REAL QUICK. 
          THAT THAT'S A TITLE SEARCH. 
          THAT THE, THAT AGAIN, WE ALWAYS DO A TITLE SEARCH. 
          UH, WE ARE VERY EXTENSIVE AND WE, WE ARE VERY INCLUSIVE IN OUR TITLE SEARCH. 
          IF YOUR NAME OR BUSINESS OR ASSOCIATION COMES UP AT ANY POINT IN TIME IN THE TITLE SEARCH, WE ARE GOING TO SEND NOTICE TO THEM. 
          SO I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF THEY ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED, UH, BUT THEY, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WERE ON SOME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION, WHICH IS WHY VERY GOOD. 
          MS. BROWN HAS A QUESTION. 
          I, UM, I, THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATION, FOR THE STAFF. 
          I'D LIKE TO KNOW, UH, WHEN THESE CASES GET ROUND ROBIN FOR WHATEVER REASON, UH, MS. BROWN, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU AGAIN. 
          LET'S BRING YOUR QUESTION UP. 
          ADMINISTRATIVE TIME, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOW LOOKING AT ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE RATHER THAN A STRUCTURAL ISSUE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE STRUCTURE, PLEASE ASK THAT QUESTION. 
          NO, I WANNA KNOW SOMETHING ELSE. 
          DOES IT APPLY TO THE DECISION ABILITY TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO TO THE STRUCTURE? PROBABLY NOT. 
          THEN LET'S DO THAT AT ADMINISTRATIVE TIME. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CODE OFFICER DEALING WITH THE STRUCTURE ITSELF? JOEL? YEAH. 
          JUST HAVE ONE IN THE BACKYARD. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TRENCHING. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT? UH, NO I DON'T. 
          UM, THE GROUND IS SHIFTING. 
          UM, THE GROUND IS VERY DRY, SO IT COULD BE LARGE CRACKS IN THE GROUND, BUT THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY, LIKE TRENCHING AS FAR AS FOR THEIR PLUMBING THAT THERE WAS NO SIGNS OF THAT. 
          SO AT THAT TIME IT WAS PROBABLY JUST WITH THE GROUND CRACKING AND SEPARATING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OFFICER GARRETT. 
          MAURICE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR STATION. 
          GOOD MORNING BOARD. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MY YES SIR. 
          WE'LL MEET AGAIN. 
          MY NAME IS OFFICER MAURICE. 
          UH, I WORK THE WEST, UH, SAFE UNIT, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 7,000 COLLIBRA. 
          AND I AM THE DART COORDINATOR FOR THE WEST SERVICE AREA. 
          SO LET ME START BY HOW THIS PROPERTY CAME TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          UH, THIS PROPERTY IS CONSIDERED A NUISANCE PROPERTY, UH, FOR US. 
          UH, MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS HAVE CAME FOR FORWARD TO US IN REGARDS TO, UH, FOOT TRAFFIC AND VEHICLE TRAFFIC. 
          LEAVING THIS LOCATION, UH, THERE WAS VIDEO AND, AND PHOTOS SENT TO US OF CARS COMING AND GOING ALONG WITH FEMALES LEAVING THE LOCATION, WHICH WAS ASSIGNED FOR PROSTITUTION. 
          UH, LET ME START BY. 
          WE'VE BEEN WORKING THIS PROPERTY PROBABLY FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS. 
          UH, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE WITHIN THAT TWO YEAR TIME, WE HAD FOUR THREATS CALLS, TWO WELFARE CHECKS, 15 DISTURBANCE CALLS, FIVE BURGLARY AND PROGRESS CALLS. 
          TWO. 
          RECOVERED STOLEN PROPERTY AT THIS LOCATION, TWO WANTED PERSONS, TWO SUSPICIOUS VEHICLES, THREE SUSPICIOUS PERSONS. 
          ONE NARCOTICS LAW, ONE ANIMAL ELATED, ONE THEFT, TWO BURGLARIES, ONE OVERDOSE IN PROGRESS, ONE ASSAULT IN PROGRESS, ONE FAMILY VIOLENCE, ONE FIGHT, AND ONE FIRE ON. 
          ONCE WE DECIDED TO DART THIS LOCATION, WHICH WAS ON JANUARY 31ST OF THIS YEAR, UNDER CASE NUMBER S A P D 2 3 0 2 3 1 9 0, WE ACTUALLY MADE ONE ARREST FOR A FELONY WARRANT, WHICH WAS THEFT OF 2,500 TO 30,000 OF A VEHICLE. 
          THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS ARRESTED FOR THIS WARRANT WAS PREVIOUSLY ARRESTED AT THIS LOCATION. 
          HE DOES NOT STAY AT THIS LOCATION, BUT JUST CHOOSES TO COME BACK HERE, WHICH WAS A KNOWN CRIMINAL. 
          UM, AFTER WE DARTED THE LOCATION, WE WERE STILL RECEIVING COMPLAINTS DUE TO THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT BEING AT THE LOCATION. 
          WE HAD TO CONDUCT A RE-INSPECTION, WHICH WAS DONE ON AUGUST 11TH OF 23, UNDER CASE NUMBER SS A P D 23 1 7 81 39. 
          WHEN WE CONDUCTED THE INSPECTION THERE AGAIN, 
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WE ONCE AGAIN MADE TWO ARRESTS, UH, BOTH WERE FOR WARRANTS. 
          UM, WE MADE AN ARREST FOR TWO CLASS B MISDEMEANOR WARRANTS AND THREE MUNICIPAL COURT WARRANTS. 
          UM, WE THEN HAD TO GO BACK ONE FOR THE FINAL TIME, WHICH WAS ON 9 28 OF 23, UNDER CASE NUMBER S A P D 23 21, 76 43. 
          THE REASON WE WENT BACK AGAIN TO THIS, THE THIRD TIME WAS, IS WE WERE RECEIVING PHOTOS FROM A, UH, ONE OF THE, I GUESS, COMPLAINANT IN THE AREA OF INDIVIDUALS JUST WALKING AROUND THE PROPERTY WITH FIREARMS. UH, ONCE WE MADE THIS LOCATION AGAIN, WE AGAIN MADE AN ARREST FOR, UH, WARRANTS, TWO FELONY WARRANTS THIS TIME, WHICH WAS ONE, UH, BURGLARY OF HABITATION AND ONE, UH, REPEAT OF VIOLATION OF COURT ORDER. 
          UH, KEEP IN MIND THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY A THOUSAND FEET FROM PRE-K FOR SA, WHICH IS, UH, JUST NORTH OF THE LOCATION, WHICH IS DEFINITELY WALKING DISTANCE. 
          ALSO, IT'S LOCATED WITHIN 1800 FEET OF THE REN MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT OTHER SCHOOL. 
          LIKE I MENTIONED, UH, EARLIER, THIS PROPERTY IS A NUISANCE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          THERE. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TR THIS, THIS PROPERTY BACKS UP TO OLD HIGHWAY 90 THERE BY, UH, 1 51 ON OLD HIGHWAY 90. 
          THERE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC. 
          UM, IF WE WERE TO BOARD THIS LO, YOU KNOW, LOCATION UP, WE'RE JUST GONNA GIVE THIS, UH, THESE PEOPLE, THE HOMELESS, A PLACE TO SORT OF HUNKER DOWN IN. 
          UM, I, I JUST THINK A DEMO ORDER WOULD BE, WOULD BE THE BEST IN REGARDS TO, UH, THIS PROPERTY AND THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT FOR WE CAN GET IT OUT OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE PROSTITUTION AND THE DRUG ACTIVITY HAS BEEN HEAVY HERE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO, UH, MAKE ARRESTS AT THAT TIME. 
          BUT, UH, IT IS DEFINITELY KNOWN TO BE THERE. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          I'LL TAKE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          QUESTIONS? YEAH. 
          UH, THIS IS FRED ANDIS. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AGAIN FROM LAST WEEK. 
          I'M GONNA ASK THE SAME TYPE OF QUESTIONS WE ASKED YOU LAST WEEK IN THIS HOUSE. 
          IS THIS A POINT WHERE YOU GO TO ANOTHER HOUSE AND THEY WERE GOING TO THIS HOUSE? YOU GO TO THIS HOUSE, THEY GO TO ANOTHER HOUSE. 
          IS THERE NO, SIR. 
          THESE ARE FLUENT OR IS IT DIFFERENT? NO, THESE ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, SIR. 
          SO THEY JUST HUNKER IN THIS BY SCHOOL? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. 
          THE CROSSWALKS. 
          IF THIS IS THAT CLOSE TO A SCHOOL, ARE THERE ANY STUDENTS WALKING BY THIS? BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO TO GET TO THE CROSSWALKS? ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE OFFICER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          VANESSA HERNENDEZ, PLEASE IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE MA'AM, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR HOME ADDRESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          GOOD MORNING BOARD. 
          MY NAME IS VANESSA JIMENEZ. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          I AM THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE HOUSING ACCESS AND STABILITY PROGRAMS AT N H S D. 
          YOU NEED MY ADDRESS AS WELL, PLEASE? 2 2 9 2 2 FISHERS GLADE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I'M HERE TO REPORT OUT, UH, WHAT OUR STAFF DID WHEN THEY WERE PRESENT AT THE DART ON, UH, JANUARY 31ST. 
          OUR STAFF SPOKE WITH THREE INDIVIDUAL, FOUR INDIVIDUALS, THREE MALES AND ONE FEMALE, AND PROVIDED RELOCATION ASSISTANCE INFORMATION AS WELL AS, UH, EMERGENCY SHELTER INFORMATION, ALL OF WHICH WERE REFUSED. 
          ALL THOSE SERVICES WERE REFUSED. 
          WE ALSO PROVIDE LEGAL AID INFORMATION, AND THEY TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND WERE GONNA FOLLOW UP. 
          OUR STAFF DID FOLLOW UP, UH, A COUPLE DAYS LATER ON FEBRUARY 2ND VIA PHONE ON A, WITH A PHONE NUMBER THAT THEY HAD PROVIDED US. 
          BUT THERE WAS AN, WE WERE UNABLE TO LEAVE A MESSAGE OR VOICEMAIL, SO WE DIDN'T GET AHOLD OF ANYONE. 
          UM, AT THE FOLLOW-UP ON AUGUST 11TH AT THE, UH, RE-INSPECTION, WE DID HAVE SOMEONE ATTEND AND WE DID SPEAK WITH ONE GENTLEMAN AND ONE FEMALE. 
          UH, ONE FEMALE DID SAY SHE WAS ATTENDING REHABILITATION. 
          AND THEN ONE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT HE WAS, UH, LOOKING FOR, HE DID ACCEPT MAYBE SOME LEGAL AID SERVICES, BUT RELOCATION SERVICES AS WELL AS EMERGENCY SHELTER OPTIONS WERE ALSO REFUSED THAT DAY AS WELL. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE DID FOLLOW UP A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER ON AUGUST THE 18TH, WE CALLED ONE WOMAN AND SHE STATED THAT SHE HAD NOT, UM, APPLIED FOR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE AT ALL. 
          SHE WAS NOT, UM, WE, WE WERE GONNA PROVIDE HER SOME, UM, FOLLOW UP RESOURCES TO HER EMAIL, BUT AT THIS TIME, SHE HADN'T SOUGHT ANY KIND OF, UH, RESOURCES AT ALL FROM OUR, FROM OUR PROGRAMS. AND THEN ONE GENTLEMAN, WE DID CONTACT TO FOLLOW UP ON HIS STATUS ON WHETHER OR NOT HE NEEDED THE LEGAL, UH, RESOURCES THAT WE WERE PROVIDING. 
          AND HE SAID THAT HE WAS HOSPITALIZED AND WASN'T ABLE TO FOLLOW UP AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL REGARDING THE WORK THAT 
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WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE PRESENT AT 4 9 3 9 IRMA. 
          IRMA. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? UH, YEAH, THIS IS FRED IN FRED. 
          HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE. 
          LET ME LET, UH, KAYLA ASK HER A QUESTION FIRST. 
          YES, MS. MIRANDA. 
          HI. 
          UM, SO WHEN YOU SAY, UM, RESOURCES, UH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? SO, FOR INSTANCE, RELOCATION SERVICES, WE DO HAVE AN, AN OPPORTUNITY, WE DO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT COULD PROVIDE RESOURCES TO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WILLING, WILLING TO RELOCATE. 
          UH, WE COULD ASSIST WITH LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVE, UH, HOUSING, AND WE COULD PROVIDE SER UM, RESOURCES SUCH AS ASSISTANCE IN SECURITY DEPOSITS, MOVING EXPENSES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT WAS RELOCATION AND AN EMERGENCY SHELTER, WHETHER IT'S HAVEN FOR HOPE, UH, SALVATION ARMY, ET CETERA. 
          THOSE KINDS OF EMERGENCY SHELTER OPTIONS. 
          AND, UM, PART OF THOSE OPTIONS, UH, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY QUALIFY FOR THE APARTMENT YOU'RE TRYING TO MOVE INTO. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A JOB, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO TIMES THE INCOME, CORRECT. 
          AND MM-HMM. 
          , UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT THEY OBVIOUSLY ALREADY DON'T HAVE BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVING IN THE STATE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THEY WOULD, THEIR OPTIONS WOULD BE SHELTER FIRST, RIGHT. 
          AND THEN MAYBE SEEK SOME SORT OF VOUCHERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE WORK WITH D H S AS WELL. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO WORK WITH SECOND CHANCE, UH, SITES THAT WOULD HELP PEOPLE OR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE COMING WITH THESE KINDS OF BACKGROUNDS. 
          SO WHETHER IT'S EVICTIONS, ET CETERA, NOT WORKING, UH, DISABILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, IN THESE SERVICES, IT DOES TAKE TIME. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET IMMEDIATELY THAT DAY OR WITHIN EVEN A WEEK. 
          MM-HMM. 
           HOUSE, IT IS SOMETHING THAT TAKES, IT'S A PROCESS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THEIR BEST OPTION WOULD GO THE OPTION, THE, THE, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE EMERGENCY SHELTER OPTION WHERE THEY COULD BE ASSIGNED A CASE MANAGER, WHICH WOULD HELP THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          AND HOW OFTEN IS ALL OF THOSE SERVICES TWOFOLD, OVER BOOKED? LIKE, THEY HAVE TO WAIT. 
          UH, USUALLY OFTENTIMES THE EMERGENCY SHELTER AT HAVEN FOR HELP WILL HAVE A SPACE AVAILABLE. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO GET THERE EARLY. 
          AND THEN ALSO WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF TIMES THEY DENY THAT OR THEY HAVE A HISTORY, THEY'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE AND DON'T WANNA GO BACK, ET CETERA. 
          SO IT'S ALSO, UH, IN THEIR DISCRETION WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANNA TAKE, USE THAT, UH, RESOURCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. ANDES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE PART OF THE GROUP LAST WEEK. 
          I WAS HERE WITH MS. TOYEN MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK. 
          UM, WHEN YOU WENT BACK ON, I THINK IT WAS FEBRUARY, WE WENT BACK ON, ON THE SECOND ONE, THE FIRST INITIAL, AND THEN THE SECOND FOLLOW UP. 
          WE JUST WENT THE FIRST INITIAL JANUARY 31ST, AND WE FOLLOWED UP VIA PHONE CALL. 
          WITH, WITH PHONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO AFTER THAT, DO YOU TRY TO DO ANOTHER FOLLOW UP? BECAUSE THIS, THIS WAS GOING ON UP UNTIL 9 28 MM-HMM. 
          , SO ARE YOU STILL INVOLVED OR DO YOU HAVE A POINT WHERE YOU GOTTA DRAW AND CUT LOSSES HERE? 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE SERVICES? MM-HMM. 
          ? YES, FOR THE MOST PART, THE STAFF NOTES THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE INDIVIDUAL THAT PARTICIPATED IN IT, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION FOLLOWING THE FEBRUARY 2ND BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT WANTING RESPONSIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WHEN THAT GOES IN, WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE OF YOU GUYS COMING UP WITH THESE CASES LIKE THIS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO THERE'S A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOUR FISCAL YEAR, THE SAME AS THE CITY OCTOBER 1ST, IS, IS IT GOING TO, ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE MEETING A LOT OF THIS CRITERIA BECAUSE IT'S A FISCAL FUNDING OR NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ONE STAFF PERSON THAT'S ASSIGNED WITHIN N H S D TO ASSIST WITH THE DARTS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA, MR. SOLIS, GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA COMMEND YOU THAT THAT IS WONDERFUL SERVICE ACTUALLY BEING ON SITE AND, AND TRYING TO TALK TO INDIVIDUALS AND, AND GIVE 'EM, I THINK VIOLENT INFORMATION. 
          I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. 
          WE'RE TRYING, YOU DIDN'T MENTION THE, THE AGES OF ANY OF THE ONES THAT YOU ENCOUNTERED? I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE WERE MINORS. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          AGAIN, THEY'RE ALL ADULTS. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          IT'S WONDERFUL MS. MIRANDA. 
          YES. 
          UM, I, I AGREE. 
          ALL THE SERVICES ARE, ARE AMAZING WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO BE USED, BUT CORRECT. 
          WHEN YOU'RE DOING THESE START INSPECTIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS, LIKE THE ONES HERE IN, IN, IN THIS PROPERTY, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME THEY'RE REFUSING THE SERVICES BECAUSE THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR THE SERVICES, CORRECT? I'M NOT, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT. 
          I'M PARTICULAR, 'CAUSE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THEM, THEY WILL QUALIFY FOR THE SHELTERING, THE EMERGENCY SHELTERING RELOCATION. 
          THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT STORY. 
          UH, I CAN SAY FOR THE RELOCATION PROGRAM, AS LONG AS YOU'RE FACING HOUSING INSTABILITY, HAVE AN A M I UNDER 80%, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO QUALIFY. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO CASE MANAGERS THAT WE COULD ASSIGN THAT CAN HELP. 
          WE EVEN PARTNER WITH A APARTMENT LOCATOR WHO SPECIALIZES WITH, UH, INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BACKGROUNDS AND HISTORIES, ET CETERA. 
          BUT ALSO WE PARTNER WITH D H SS AND THEIR HOMELESS CONNECTIONS PROGRAM AS WELL. 
          AND SO WE TRY OUR BEST TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, 
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BUT THEY ALSO NEED, WANNA, WANT THAT REEF SOURCE AS WELL. 
          I DON'T DOUBT YOUR, YOUR INTENTIONS. 
          YES. 
          IT'S JUST THE, UH, AND THE REALITY OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE, THE RESOURCES THAT ARE OFFERED. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S MORE OF WHAT I'M WANTING TO HEAR ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO GIVE SOMEONE A LE A A LIST OF PHONE NUMBERS THAT YOU CAN CALL, BUT WHEN YOU CALL THOSE PHONE NUMBERS, DO THEY ANSWER, CAN THEY GET THE SERVICES? ARE THEY OVERBOOKED? ARE THEY UNDERFUNDED? I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT GO INTO, INTO IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THAT THE INDIVIDUALS AT THE PROPERTIES ARE BEING TOLD, YOU KNOW, KEEP TRYING. 
          LIKE IF THEY DON'T ANSWER ONE TIME, JUST KEEP GOING. 
          LIKE, KEEP MAYBE IN A MONTH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING. 
          MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LEGAL. 
          I BELIEVE THERE'S A FEW THINGS, UH, THAT MS. MIRANDA IS SPEAKING ABOUT THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPAND ON AND ADDRESS DURING ADMINISTRATION, UM, MR. IDENTIFIED ITEMS. 'CAUSE I, I DO BELIEVE MR. MIRANDA WANTS, UH, SOME CLARIFICATION AND EXPLANATION ON A FEW THINGS. 
          ALSO, I, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE CAN TABLE THIS UNTIL ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING, UM, ITEMS, BECAUSE IT'LL ALLOW ME, MS. MIRANDA TO, TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU ACTUALLY, UH, AND I JUST THAT WE HAVE IT AT OUR NEXT FULL BOARD MEETING. 
          JUST THE PRESENTATION WE DO, BUT I'M NOT GONNA MAKE YOU WAIT TILL THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE ALREADY DID THAT LAST WEEK. 
          YOU, WE WERE NOT PRESENT LAST WEEK. 
          THEY DISCUSSED SOME OF THAT LAST WEEK. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, I I I, IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND TIME DURING THE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS, THERE'S A FEW THINGS I CAN, I CAN EXPOUND ON, ON SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WILL MOVE THAT TO ADMINISTRATIVE TIME. 
          UH, MR. DENNIS, DID YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION DEALING WITH THE STRUCTURE TOGA? MR. ZUNIGA, PLEASE? UH, COULD YOU STATE AGAIN, UH, WHO YOU, UH, REPRESENT? I'M WITH NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING AND SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UH, THEN, UH, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, HAVE YOU INFORMED, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THAT PERSON THAT HE WENT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WASHING RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THEIR QUESTIONS, OR DID HAVE PAPERWORK. 
          DID YOU, UH, UH, REPORT OR DID YOU GIVE HIM A, A, WELL, A REPORT, YOU KNOW, UH, ON WHAT YOU WERE DOING THERE? MR. MR. CHAIR AND MR. ZUNIGA, I, I'M GONNA BE BLUNT WITH YOU. 
          THIS IS A DART INSPECTION AND DURING, BECAUSE IT'S A DART INSPECTION DURING AN INVESTIGATION, INFORMATION IS NOT WIDELY SHARED, UM, WITH ANYBODY. 
          I CAN TELL YOU ON ANY DART INSPECTION, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE COUNCIL PERSON IN THAT AREA, EXCUSE ME, THE COUNCIL PERSON IN THAT AREA IS APPRISED OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          I'M, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DART INSPECTION. 
          SHE WAS SAYING THAT SHE MET WITH HIM AFTERWARDS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THIS IS IT, IT'S AN EXTENSION OF THE DART INSPECTION. 
          THE REASON THAT THEY ARE OUT THERE IS, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT N H S D IS PART OF THE DART UNIT ALONG WITH D H S. 
          SO WHEN THEY GO OUT, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE DART MEMBERS, DART UNIT MEMBERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE DOING THOSE. 
          AND, AND, AND THEY HAVE A, AS YOU KNOW, AS YOU, UH, SWEAR HERE YOU DO, THEY DO, UH, REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON HERE IN THIS, THIS IS DISTRICT SIX. 
          THEY RIGHT. 
          I I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. 
          DART UNIT, UM, IS RUN OUT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          SO INFORMATION IS PROVIDED, BUT WE DO NOT REPORT EVERY PROPERTY TO, UM, TO COUNSEL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND I, WHAT I'D LIKE FOR US TO DO AGAIN, IS SAVE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER AND OR ADDRESS THEM DURING ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS OR WHEN, UM, DART IS, IS IS, UM, PRESENTED AT THE FULL BOARD MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING, ET CETERA, LIKE MIRANDA SAID. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT'S AN I I, I'D AGAIN, LIKE FOR US TO, TO FOCUS ON, ON, ON THIS AND, AND ANY ADMINISTRATIVE VOLUMES WE CAN HANDLE AFTER. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND, UH, AT THE SAME TIME FOR ADMINISTRATIVE, I JUST, REAL QUICK, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I SEE THE FENCE HERE THAT THEY HAVE WHAT, A 10 FOOT FENCE ON THE OTHER NEIGHBOR. 
          HAS THERE BEEN A REPORT AND HAS COURT COMPLIANCE ADDRESS? IT'S GOING TO ADDRESS IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, THAT'S AGAIN, I, I RESPECTFULLY, THAT IS NOT IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD TODAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO REFOCUS ON THE INFORMATION AND ISSUES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. 
          ANY OTHER ISSUES? WE CAN, RANDOM ISSUES WE CAN DISCUSS AT ADMINISTRATOR. 
          LIKE I STATED, LIKE I STATED, JUST FOR THE INFORMATION FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE, 
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I'M NOT ASKING RIGHT NOW. 
          I'D LIKE FOR US TO, I'D LIKE FOR US TO, INSTEAD OF GIVING PREVIEWS ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS, LET'S DISCUSS ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS DURING THAT TIME. 
          I'D LIKE FOR US TO FOCUS ON THIS. 
          WELL, I DON'T WANT THEM TO FORGET THE MR. ZUNIGA, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU. 
          IF I MAY, WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, MS. MENEZ, IF YOU WOULD, COULD YOU PLEASE STAY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE TIME SO WE CAN GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UH, APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES OR LESS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR. 
          ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I HAVE A MOTION. 
          MS. BROWN, DOES HE WANNA DO THIS ONE OR WHAT? MM-HMM. 
          , UH, MR. SOLS IS SUGGESTING THAT WE COMMENT THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO OWNER PRESENT OR NO OTHER PERSON WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, PARDON ME, PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS PROPERTY? NO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, STAFF WILL INTERRUPT ME IF THEY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          THAT'S THE REASON WHY I PASS IT BY, BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY GOOD ABOUT INTERRUPTING. 
          MS. BROWN, YOUR MOTION, PLEASE? SURE. 
          . 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M, I HOPE YOU MOVE SOMETIMES MS. BROWN, YOUR MOTION PLEASE. 
          I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 49 39 IRMA DRIVE OR IRMA STREET, UM, IT'S PUBLIC NUISANCE, WHICH IS DEFINED BY, UM, OH, CANNOT BE REPAIRED AND DEFINED BY, UH, SEVERAL INCIDENTS FROM DART. 
          AND, UM, BUT UNDER SECTION SIX, I'M SORRY, CHAPTER SIX, UH, ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION 1 56. 
          AND THE SUB, THE SUBSECTIONS ARE 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18. 
          AND, UM, LIKE TO HAVE A VACATE ORDER, UH, CUT THE ELECTRIC AND THE WATER, IF NOT ALREADY CUT OFF. 
          AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          UH, THE DEMOLITION WAS FOR HOW MANY DAYS? 30 DAY DEMOLITION. 
          30 DAYS. 
          THE MOTION ON THE, UH, BOARD IS THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT, IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND IS NOT FEASIBLE BEING REPAIRED AT THIS TIME AND IS IN VIOLATION OF CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION 1 56, SUB CODES 1 12 5 7 8 11, 12, 15, 17, 18, THAT THE PROPERTY IS TO BE DEMOLISHED IN 30 DAYS AND IS TO BE VACATED AND UTILITIES ARE TO BE CUT. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. SOLI. 
          SECOND. 
          DO YOU ANY DISCUSSION? YES. 
          MR. SUNGA? YES. 
          AS THAT 30 DAYS AFTER THE EXPIRED FOR APPEAL OR 30 DAYS FROM TODAY? NO, IT'D BE 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE LETTER RELEASED. 
          AND THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THEN THE 30 DAYS SUBJECT FOR APPEAL. 
          SO BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES WOULD BE COVERED IN THAT 30 DAY ORDER. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          DWAYNE NELSON. 
          AYE. 
          FRED ANDES. 
          AYE. 
          TAYLOR. 
          MIRANDA. 
          AYE. 
          MS. BROWN? AYE. 
          JOELLE SOLI. 
          AYE. 
          JESSE ZUNIGA, I CONCUR THIS FINEST EFFECT. 
          MOTION PASSES WITH A VOTE OF SIX TO ZERO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OUR NEXT CASE IS GONNA BE 40 11 SUNRISE BLUFF DRIVE. 
          MORNING BOARD. 
          GOOD MORNING FOR THE RECORD. 
          MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER DOMINGUEZ, DANGEROUS S PREMISE OFFICE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THE STRUCTURE BEING PRESENTED TODAY IS LOCATED AT 4 0 1 1 SUNRISE BLUFF DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 4 WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX. 
          THIS CASE IS THE FIRST TIME BEING HEARD BEFORE THIS BOARD. 
          THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION IS 1 6 6 1 2 BLOCK NINE LOT 31 SUNRISE, UT DASH EIGHT SUNRISE ANNEX ANNEX STATION, LOCATED IN CITY CONSOLE DISTRICT TWO. 
          THE OWNER ON RECORD IS CLAY GERMAIN WITH A MAILING ADDRESS OF 6 4 4 2 MINERAL BAY, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 4. 
          ALL NOTICES OF HEARING WERE PROPERLY ISSUED AS REQUIRED. 
          THE OWNER ON RECORD IS NOT PRESENT TODAY. 
          DOES THE BOARD WISH TO 
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PROCEED? YES, PLEASE. 
          NO PHONE NUMBERS WERE FOUND, NOR HAVE I SPOKEN WITH OWNERSHIP. 
          THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS CONFIRMED ON JULY 25TH, 2023. 
          THE PROPERTY IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          THE FIRST INSPECTION REGARDING 4 0 1 1 SUNRISE BLUFF DRIVE WAS CONDUCTED ON SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2022. 
          ORIGINAL NOTICE WAS MAILED ON OCTOBER 12TH, 2022, AND THE CERTIFIED RECEIPT WAS NOT RETURNED ON SEPTEMBER, ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2023. 
          THE NOTICE FOR THE B S B HEARING WAS POSTED AT 4 0 1 1 SUNRISE BLUFF DRIVE ON OCTOBER 12TH, 2023. 
          THE NOTICE FOR THE B S B HEARING WAS MAILED TO THE OWNER AND THE CERTIFIED RECEIPT HAS NOT BEEN RETURNED TO THE AS OF OCTOBER 11TH, 2023. 
          NO SCOPE OF WORK OR FINANCIAL PROOF OR LETTER OF CREDIT OR ENGINEER'S REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED AS OCTOBER AS OF OCTOBER 11TH, 2023. 
          THERE ARE NO PERMITS ON FILE FOR 4 0 1 1 SUNRISE BLUFF DRIVE. 
          THE PHOTOS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION WERE TAKEN ON OCTOBER 4TH, 2023. 
          PICTURE PRESENTATION CONSISTS OF A DILAPIDATED AND NEGLECTED STRUCTURE. 
          THIS IS A SINGLE STRUCTURE, SINGLE STORY STRUCTURE BUILT IN 1984. 
          STRUCTURE HAS BEEN POORLY MAINTAINED AND NEGLECTED FOR SOME TIME. 
          STRUCTURE HAS BEEN SECURED NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS OF TIMES BY CITY CONTRACTORS. 
          THIS ACTION WAS CREATED DUE TO NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS AND THE SUNRISE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          NEXT PHOTO IS THE LEFT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS NOT REVEALED IN THIS PHOTO DUE TO THE TREE AND SHRUBS TRIM IS MISSING. 
          THAT CORNER TRIM AROUND WINDOWS IS DETERIORATED, FACIA IS DAMAGED, AND SIDING IS SEPARATING. 
          NEXT PHOTO IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          BOTTOM EDGES OF THE SIDING ARE MISSING AND DECAYED. 
          THIS IS CONTINUOUS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE THE STRUCTURE. 
          NEXT PHOTO IS TAKEN BEHIND THE GREEN CART WITH BOTTOM EDGES OF THE SIDING MISSING. 
          BOTTOM PLATES ARE DAMAGED. 
          WALL CORNER, WALL CORNER STUD IS AFFECTED. 
          THE NEXT PHOTO IS THE LEFT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS A ZERO, IS A ZERO LOT LINE. 
          THE NEIGHBOR'S EXTERIOR WALL IS CLOSELY TO THE LEFT. 
          NEXT PHOTO IS TAKEN NEAR THE UH, TREE AND THE SLAB AND IDENTICAL WITH THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          SHINING IS BRI AT THE BOTTOM EDGE, AT THE BOTTOM EDGES, BOTTOM PLATE IS VISIBLE AND DAMAGE. 
          NEXT PHOTO IS THE SIDING OVER THE, UH, ATTIC SPACE. 
          IT'S SEPARATING. 
          I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADVISE THE BOARD THAT MY FIRST INTEREST INTO THE TEAR OF THE STRUCTURE WAS TAKEN FROM THE DOOR THAT IS SECURED, THAT PLYWOOD THAT IS PAINTED RIGHT THERE. 
          NEXT FLOOR IS OF THE PATIO SLAB IN THIS AREA, IT HAS SEPARATED CONSIDERABLY. 
          THERE'S ALMOST ABOUT A 12 INCH GAP. 
          AND ALSO WITH THAT DOOR BEING NEXT TO THE RIGHT, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADVISE THE BOARD WITH THE FOUNDATION SHIPMENT. 
          AND THAT PATIO SLAB MY INTEREST INTO THE INTERIOR STRUCTURE WAS ALMOST A A 12 INCH RISE. 
          NEXT PHOTO IS GONNA BE OF THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND SIMILAR TO THE THREE OTHER SIDES, THE REAR HAS DAMAGED SIDING, TRIM, AND FASCIA SIDING IS ALSO MISSING ON THE CHIMNEY. 
          NEXT TWO PHOTOS ARE GONNA REVEAL LARGE HOLES IN THE SIDING. 
          AND THOSE ARE, THIS ONE IS BEHIND THE AC UNIT AND THE OTHER IS BEHIND THE, UH, RECYCLE BIN IN THE CORNER OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, THIS IS ALLOWING CRITTERS TO THE STRUCTURE, UM, THROUGH THESE ACCESSIBLE OPENINGS. 
          NEXT PHOTO IS THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, AS I WALKED INTO THE STRUCTURE, THERE'S ACCUMULATION OF TRASH AND DEBRIS AND OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. UM, NEXT PHOTO IS TAKEN FROM THE LEFT, UH, WHICH IS GONNA FOCUS TOWARD THE FRONT, TOWARD THE KITCHEN AREA, UM, FACING TOWARD THE FRONT. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO SCATTERED, SCATTERED DEBRIS THAT IS PRESENT IN THE KITCHEN AREA. 
          LET ME ALSO ADVISE THE BOARD THAT ALSO TO THE LEFT. 
          UM, HERE, THERE'S AN OFFSET IN THE WALL. 
          THERE'S A DOOR ENTRANCE, WHICH LEADS TO THE GARAGE. 
          UM, THAT'S GONNA BE MY LAST PHOTO IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SPECIFY WHERE THAT ENTRANCE TO THAT GARAGE AREA IS. 
          UM, NEXT PHOTOS ARE GONNA REVEAL CRACKS OVER THE, UH, WINDOW BAY AND THE, UH, CEILING. 
          THERE'S A LARGE CRACK OVER THE WINDOW HEADER IN THIS AREA DUE TO FOUNDATION SHIFT MI. 
          AND THE NEXT PHOTO IS THE CEILING IN THE KITCHEN AREA. 
          NEXT PHOTO IS GONNA BE TOWARD THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THIS STRUCTURE HAS THREE BEDROOMS FACING THIS FACING TOWARD THE LEFT. 
          UH, TO THE LEFT IS ONE BEDROOM. 
          FORWARD IS ANOTHER BEDROOM. 
          TO THE RIGHT IS A RESTROOM, AND BEHIND ME IS ANOTHER BEDROOM. 
          THE NEXT PHOTO IS GONNA BE OF THAT BEDROOM. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS BEDROOM THAT THE SHEET ROCK 
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HAS COM COMPLETELY COLLAPSED IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, THIS IS THE ROOM KIND OF RIGHT BEHIND THAT OUTSIDE CHIMNEY ON THE ROOFTOP. 
          NEXT FLOOR IS GONNA REVEAL THAT OPENING IN THE SIDING FROM THAT CHIMNEY. 
          UM, IT'S EXPOSING TO THE ELEMENTS. 
          DAYLIGHT IS VISIBLE. 
          YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THE CHIMNEY FLU IS ALSO SEPARATED. 
          NEXT PHOTO IS GONNA BE OF THE, THE, UH, MIDDLE BEDROOM. 
          UM, THE BEDROOM HAS DAMAGED SHEET ROCK. 
          THERE'S ALSO FECES MATTER PRESENT FROM THE CRITTERS, GETTING IN THROUGH THOSE LARGE HOLES IN THE, UH, EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THE NEXT WALL IS GONNA BE OF THE LAST BEDROOM. 
          THE LAST BEDROOM REVEALS THE LARGE OPENINGS. 
          THERE'S ONE TO THE LEFT AND THEN THE ACTUAL CORNER AND THE ACCUMULATION OF, UH, TRASH AND DEBRIS THAT'S INSIDE THIS BEDROOM. 
          NEXT PHOTO IS MY LAST PHOTO. 
          UH, THIS IS THE GARAGE. 
          UM, IT'S AN ATTACHED GARAGE. 
          SHEET ROCK HAS COLLAPSED AND THE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS IN THIS AREA, UH, DOESN'T ALLOW ANY ENTRANCE INTO THE ACTUAL GARAGE ITSELF. 
          UM, THERE'S NO CLEAR WALKING SURFACE. 
          AND, UM, THIS PHOTO JUST HAD TO BE TAKEN FROM THE FRONT, FROM THE DOOR ENTRY. 
          THIS IS A SINGLE STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND NEGLECTED CONDITION DUE TO LACK OF MAINTENANCE, EXTERIOR SINUS SEVERELY DAMAGED. 
          SIDING IS DETACHED. 
          HOLES AND GAPS ARE PRESENT AND BOTTOM EDGES OF THE SIDING ARE DETERIORATED. 
          BOTTOM PLATES AROUND THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE ARE DECAYED. 
          FOUNDATION IS SHIFTING. 
          THE TERRACE PATIO SLAB HAS SEPARATED FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          CRACKS OVER WINDOWS, DOORS AND CEILINGS ARE NOTICEABLE. 
          INTERIOR STRUCTURE HAS CEILING SHEET ROCK THAT HAS COLLAPSED AND HOLES IN SHEET ROCK WALLS. 
          EXCESS AMOUNT OF DEBRIS IS SCATTERED INSIDE AND THE GARAGE AREA HAS NO CLEAR WALKING SURFACE DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS PILED INSIDE THE STRUCTURE. 
          LOCATED AT 4 0 1 1 SUNRISE BLUFF DRIVE IS IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 56. 
          SUBSECTIONS 1 2 5 7 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18, IN WHICH ANY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE WHICH HAS ANY OR ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OR DEFECTS HEREIN AFTER DESCRIBED, SHALL BE TO, SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE A DANGEROUS BUILDING AND A HAZARD TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE. 
          PROVIDED THAT SUCH CONDITIONS OF DEFECTS OF DILAPIDATION, SUBSTANDARD, OR UNFIT FOR HUMAN HABITATION POSE A THREAT OR A POTENTIAL THREAT TO LIFE, HEALTH, PROPERTY, OR HUMAN SAFETY STAFF RECOMMENDS DEMOLITION. 
          THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION OF 4 0 1 1 SUNRISE BLUFF DRIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE CODE OFFICER? THIS IS FRED ANDES. 
          MR. ANDES ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF, DID YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE FROM THE, THIS IS ALMOST A YEAR TO THE TIME IT GETS HERE TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY TO ELABORATE ON THE PROPERTY? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. 
          MY ULTIMATE, MY ULTIMATE INSPECTION WAS GONNA BE FOR REPAIRS TO THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, UM, LITTLE BIT MORE TIME WENT ON, RECEIVED NO CONTACT FROM OWNERSHIP. 
          UM, IT WASN'T REALLY, UM, TILL I PULLED MY FIRST INTERIOR FO INTERIOR WARRANT AND SAW HOW I LOOKED INSIDE AND WITH NO CONTACT FROM OWNERSHIP AND THE CONDITION THAT I WAS IN, UH, DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION. 
          AND THE PROPERTY CAME TO YOU, HOW NEIGHBOR OR IT CAME FROM COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORING. 
          UM, THERE WAS A NEW BILL TO THE RIGHT, A REHAB TO THE LEFT. 
          AND UM, THE BIGGEST PART OF IT WAS THE, UH, SUNRISE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING. 
          UM, THEY HAD HUGE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AND, UH, HOW IT'S BEEN NEGLECTED IN NINE, UH, IN 2022 WHEN THIS STARTED, THIS IS JUST WHEN IT STARTED, THERE WAS ALREADY YEARS OF NOBODY TRYING TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. 
          AND PREVIOUS TO THAT, WE HAD, UH, HAD THAT PROPERTY ABATED AND SECURED. 
          I SAW THE ABATEMENT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THE COST, HOW MUCH ABATEMENT WAS DONE. 
          UM, I HAD, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, SIR. 
          UM, IT DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT OF SECURING YEAH. 
          FOR EACH ONE, BUT, OKAY. 
          LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          HOW MANY TIMES WAS THE PROPERTY ABATED? I CAN ADVISE YOU THAT I'VE HAD THE PROPERTY ABATED FOUR TIMES AND PREVIOUS, BEFORE I WAS IN THAT AREA. 
          SINCE 2022 OR EVEN PRIOR TO THAT? NO, NO, PRIOR TO THAT. 
          PRIOR. 
          I, THAT'S ALTOGETHER, I WOULD SAY DURING THE INSPECTION. 
          I'VE HAD IT THREE TIMES PRIOR WAS ONE, BUT THERE'S ALSO NUMEROUS PRIOR TO THAT, YES. 
          SO YOUR SEVEN, EIGHT WOULD BE SAFE TO SAY OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS? YES. 
          TOTAL, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, SO IN 
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ANY OF YOUR INSPECTIONS, HAVE YOU COME ACROSS PEOPLE LIVING IN THE PROPERTY? I'M SORRY, MA'AM, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THAT FOR ME? HAS ANYBODY BEEN LIVING IN THE PROPERTY? NO. 
          NO. 
          MY TOTAL, UH, PRIOR TO MY ACTUAL DANGEROUS PREMISE CASE, JUST, UH, HAVING THE PROPERTY CUT AND CLEAN THERE, THERE HASN'T BEEN NOBODY LIVING INSIDE THE STRUCTURE. 
          IT'S CONTINUOUSLY BEEN VACANT. 
          AND THEN HAS THERE BEEN ANY POLICE ACTIVITY THERE? NO MA'AM. 
          NO POLICE ACTIVITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE OFFICER? YES, MR. ZUNIGA. 
          COULD, COULD YOU, UH, REPEAT THE CODE OF VIOLATIONS AGAIN? THE SUBSECTIONS? YEAH. 
          FOR THE RECORD, THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 4 0 1 1 SUNRISE BLUFF DRIVE IS IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 56. 
          SUBSECTIONS 1 12 5 7 8 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18. 
          MR. SOGO, IS THAT GOOD? YES. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          MS. JOEL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          THANK YOU MR. SOLIS. 
          YOU GO, I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED 40 11 SUNRISE BLUFF DRIVE IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE, WHICH IS NOT FEASIBLE TO BE REPAIRED AT THIS TIME. 
          IT IS IN VIOLATION OF CHAPTER SIX ARTICLES EIGHT, SECTION 1 56 SPECIFICALLY. 
          OOPS, SHE TOOK THAT OFF. 
          OH, SECTIONS 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18. 
          I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY BE DEMOLISHED WITHIN 30 DAYS FROM THE ISSUANCE OF THIS ORDER. 
          LET'S CUT THE SERVICES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND LET'S PUT A VACATE ORDER ON, ON THE BUILDING ITSELF AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE MOTION IS THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 40 11 SUNRISE BLUFF, UH, IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND IS NOT FEASIBLE BEING REPAIRED AT THIS TIME AND IS IN VIOLATION OF CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE EIGHT SECTIONS 1 56, SUB CODES 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18, THAT THE STRUCTURE BE DEMOLISHED IN 30 DAYS THAT THE, UH, UTILITIES BE CUT AND THE PROPERTY REMAIN VACANT. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND, BUT I ALSO HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. 
          BUT I WANNA, IS THE PROPERTY STILL SECURED? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THE SMALL I'D LIKE TO ADD ON THERE TO KEEP SECURED, MR. SOLIS, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? I WOULD TO KEEP SECURE, YES. 
          UH, THEN WE WILL INCLUDE, KEEP SECURE IN THE MOTION. 
          UH, AND YOU SECOND THAT. 
          I SECOND IT? YES. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? YES. 
          UM, I SERIOUSLY QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS AN ACTUAL DANGEROUS PREMISE THAT WOULD REQUIRE DEMOLITION BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE LIVING THERE, THERE IS NO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AT THE PROPERTY. 
          THERE ISN'T BEEN ANY OTHER PROBLEMS EXCEPT NEIGHBOR COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE EYESORE. 
          AND I THAT'S, I I DO NOT AGREE. 
          UH, SO NOTED. 
          HOWEVER, I WILL REPLY IN THAT, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOUNDATION PER SE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN TERMS OF ANY REPAIR, UH, AND THE MOST COSTLY REPAIR BECAUSE IT'S A SLAB ON GRADE, SLAB ON GRADE, CANNOT NORMALLY BE RE UH, EASILY LEVELED AND, UH, REPAIRED IN ADDITION TO THAT, LOOKED LIKE MANY OF THE, UH, SOLE PLATE BOARDS WERE DETERIORATED ALREADY. 
          UH, THE ENTIRE SIDING IS GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE THEY USED, UH, A FIBER BOARD AS OPPOSED TO USING A REGULAR BOARD. 
          SO THE ENTIRE SIDING ON THE EXTERIOR IS GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACED. 
          THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ISSUE OF THE ENTIRE GARAGE FINANCIALLY, JUST FROM A PURE FINANCIAL POINT OF VIEW, IT PROBABLY IS NOT FEASIBLE TO BEING REPAIRED. 
          THAT'S MY POINT OF VIEW ALSO. 
          UH, BUT, UH, TO JUST GIVE YOU SOME ENGINEERING ASPECTS FROM THE STRUCTURE. 
          UH, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? YEAH, WE JUST ADD THAT THE, THE ROOF AND OF COURSE THE FIREPLACE, THE, THE, THE HALF ONE SIDE OF THAT STRUCTURE IS GONE, AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE COLLAPSE OF THE CEILING. 
          SO I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING VIABLE TO SUR SURVIVE. 
          AND AGAIN, DIFFERING OPINIONS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, MY CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WAS IN NEW ORLEANS AFTER KATRINA, AND WE DID SOME AMAZING REPAIRS THAT EVERYONE SAID YOU COULD NOT DO. 
          SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE. 
          YOU, YOU ACTUALLY ARE CORRECT. 
          IT CAN BE REPAIRED. 
          IT'S THE ISSUE OF FINANCIALLY BE REPAIRED, RIGHT? BUT IS IT, IS THE BUILDING GONNA FALL DOWN 
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IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS? NEXT, I THINK THAT'S DEBATABLE BECAUSE IT COULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROOF. 
          THAT MEANS THERE'S NOTHING HOLDING THE WALLS. 
          SO THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE IS BAD SEAL PLATES AND A BAD ROOF, A GOOD WIND. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          AGAIN, IT CAN GO FOR FIVE YEARS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ARE WE, ARE WE NOW TAKING THE RESPONSIBILITY TO LEAVE IT UP? AND NOBODY WANTS TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. 
          AS OF THIS TIME, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE SKIPPED A STEP. 
          WE DID NOT ORDER THE REPAIRS. 
          UM, AS THE CODE OFFICER STATED IN HIS, UM, STATEMENT THAT HE DID NOT, WAS NOT ABLE TO CONTACT AN OWNER, SO DID NOT FEEL THAT, UH, REPAIRS WERE POSSIBLE. 
          SO THEY SKIPPED A STEP. 
          AND, AND THAT SKIPPING OF STEPS, WE ARE LEAVING OUT AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND THE OWNER. 
          BUT THE STEP IN THE ASSESSMENT OF THE OFFICER GIVES IT TO MANAGEMENT AND MANAGEMENT. 
          HE GIVES EITHER OR, AND MANAGEMENT MADE THE DECISION BECAUSE OF LACK OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH OWNERS OR WHOEVER. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE THAT STEP TO OPTION. 
          IT'S NOT THE CITY'S OPTION TO REPAIR WITHOUT THE CONSENT POINT, POINT OF ORDER. 
          I THINK THE BOARD HERE HAS THE DECISION TO MAKE, UH, POINT OF ORDER IS RECOGNIZED. 
          HOWEVER, THE DISCUSSION POINT OF DISCUSSION IS OPEN TO THE BOARD. 
          THEREFORE, WE WILL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. 
          UH, AND WITH, WITH THAT SAID, IF THE BOARD TAKES THIS THING AND SAYS WE WANNA PUT IT AS A REPAIR AND THE HOMEOWNER IS NOT IN THE LOOP, THEN I DON'T THINK THE CITY LEGALLY HAS THAT RIGHT. 
          TO DO THAT. 
          UM, I WOULD DISAGREE AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO MANAGEMENT FOR THEIR DECISION. 
          I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE ONE, THE BOARD DECIDES WHAT HAPPENS, NOT THE CODE OFFICERS, THEY BRING A RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT IS OUR DECISION WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND THAT HAS BEEN STATED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN SEVERAL YEARS. 
          I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LEGAL , UH, MR. CHAIR. 
          SHE IS, MS. MIRANDA IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS JUST THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          IT IS A SPORTS FINAL DECISION. 
          I WILL STATE HOWEVER, AND IF YOU RECALL, YOU CAN'T GIVE A A REPAIR ORDER TO NOBODY AND THERE'S NOBODY HERE TO GIVE A REPAIR ORDER TO YOU. 
          LEGAL. 
          WE CAN GIVE THE RE THE REPORT, UH, THE REPAIR ORDER TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OR LAY ON ON THE PROPERTY. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN, I I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. 
          AND I, I THINK I'VE, I I WANT TO SAY THE MAJORITY OF YOU I'VE TRAINED, THERE IS NO REPAIR ORDER FOR NO ONE HERE. 
          IT, IT'S, THERE IS NO REPAIR ORDER FOR IF, IF FOR INSTANCE, THE OWNER SHOWED UP AND HE HAD NO SCOPE OF WORK, PROOF OF FINANCIAL MEANS, AND IF AN ENGINEER'S REPORT WAS NEEDED, THE ONLY WAY THAT HE COULD MAKE THAT ARGUMENT OR SHE COULD MAKE THAT ARGUMENT IS IF THEY TESTIFY ORALLY. 
          AND THIS BOARD BELIEVES IT'S SUFFICIENT. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOU HAVE NOBODY HERE TO, TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT. 
          AND IF THIS BOARD WERE TO GIVE A REPAIR ORDER, YOU'D BE GIVING A REPAIR ORDER TO NOBODY. 
          THERE IS NOBODY TO ORDER THE PROPERTY TO BE REPAIRED. 
          AND IN ADDITION, IT WOULD ALSO, WE'D ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PERSONS THAT DO SHOW UP THAT YOU GIVE DEMO ORDERS TO. 
          SO WE WOULD BE GIVING A DEMO ORDER TO SOMEBODY THAT AT LEAST DID SHOW UP AS COMPARED TO A REPAIR ORDER FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS NOT SHOWN UP AT ALL, NOR HAS REPLIED TO CODE SINCE MORE THAN A YEAR. 
          AND COUNSEL, WOULD IT ALSO BE THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IF WE RE PUT A REPAIR ORDER, IT CANNOT GO WITH THE LEAD OF THE LAND, AS MOST ORDERS DO, AND THEN THE, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY THAT AND THERE'S A REPAIR ORDER AND THEY WANNA DEMO, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND FIGHT IT OR GO TO COURT TO FIGHT THE REPAIR ORDER. 
          IF THEY WANNA DEMOLITION THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY BUY IT, THEY, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT I DO, I I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLEAR THIS BOARD DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESET IT IF THEY WANT. 
          BUT I, I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS BOARD SHOULD BE CONSISTENT IN HOW THEY RULE. 
          AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE ARE BEING CONSISTENT. 
          WHATEVER, UH, PROCEDURES OR, OR DECISION YOU GUYS MAKE, IT IS CONSISTENT. 
          UM, AND IF THERE IS A PROPERTY THAT HAS NOT ANSWERED OR RESPONDED IN MORE THAN A YEAR, YOU, UH, THIS BOARD HAS TO WEIGH THOSE ISSUES AND ONLY THE BOARD CAN MAKE THE DECISION. 
          AND I 
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APPRECIATE THE BOARD, UM, MAKING THOSE DECISIONS WHILE, UH, DEBATING IT OPENLY. 
          WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          SO I, I, I, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. 
          SINCE WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. 
          THE CHAIR IS GOING TO CALL THE MOTION AND HAVE IT VOTED ON. 
          PLEASE GIMME A ROLL CALL FOR THE MOTION TO, I WANT, I WANNA SAY SOMETHING BEFORE WE, UH, WE HAVE ONE COMMENT. 
          YEAH, ONE COMMENT. 
          UH, I JUST WANT THE BOARD TO KNOW THAT, UH, STAFF AND THE, UH, THE, UH, TEAM OF OFFICERS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY MAKE EXHAUSTIVE, UH,  RESEARCH FOR OWNERS, FOR PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          AND THEY SEND OUT LETTERS TO EVERYBODY AND THEIR MOTHERS, AND NOBODY ANSWERS THEM. 
          SO IF NOBODY ANSWERS, AND I THINK, AND WHEN I WAS READING THE NOTES HERE, THIS IS AN STATE OF, SO IT'S, THAT'S SIGN THE STATE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T FIND ANYBODY. 
          IF YOU CAN'T FIND ANYBODY, WHO ARE YOU GONNA ISSUE THE REPAIR ORDER TO YOU? YOU CAN'T. 
          SO IF IF THERE'S NOBODY THERE, THERE'S NOBODY THERE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          ON THE MOTION TO DEMOLISH IN 30 DAYS TO VACATE OR REMAIN VACANT, UH, TO SECURE OR KEEP SECURED. 
          UH, AND CUT UTILITIES. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          DWAYNE NELSON. 
          AYE. 
          FRED ANDES. 
          AYE. 
          KAYLA, MIRANDA. 
          L MS. BROWN. 
          AYE. 
          JOELLE SOLIS. 
          AYE. 
          JESSE ZUNIGA. 
          I'M GOING VOTE. 
          AYE, BUT I MEAN, BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE BEING NEXT TO A, A RESIDENCE THERE AND, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IT GOING AND WE STILL WOULDN'T GET NO ACTION ON IT. 
          AND, UH, SO MIGHT AS WELL GO WITH IT, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE TEAR IT DOWN BEFORE THE CITY. 
          BUT LIKE I SAY, THAT'S OBJECTABLE, BUT I MEAN, I'M VOTED FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION PASSES WITH THE VOTE OF FIVE TO ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT COMPLETES THE CASES WE HAVE FOR TODAY. 
          UH, IF WE COULD, UH, MS. OMANIS, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME BACK UP TO THE PODIUM AND LET'S CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE POINT OF VIEW. 
          UH, AND KAYLA, I'M GONNA ACTUALLY, THAT YOU HAVE THE FIRST QUESTION OR FIRST COMMENT, IF YOU WOULD. 
          AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THAT POINT ON. 
          UM, SO I, I'M LIKE, LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT FROM WAY BEFORE. 
          THAT'S WHY I, I ASKED THE QUESTIONS WHEN I ASKED THEM, BECAUSE NOW I'M LIKE, WHAT WAS I TALKING ABOUT? IF, IF YOU GUYS WANT ME TO, I, I KIND OF RECALL WHAT WAS WHAT, UH, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, LET ME LET YOU KNOW. 
          AND YES, THIS WILL BE COM IT'LL BE A FULL ON, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, UH, ON THE FULL BOARD MEETING. 
          BUT THE DART UNIT, UM, CAN OPERATE TO ITS FULL FUNCTION WITHOUT HAVING NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES IN, UM, ON THE TEAM AT EVERY DART INSPECTION, THOSE PERSONS GO OUT. 
          UM, THEY ARE AVAILABLE IF THEY WANT TO BE INTERVIEWED. 
          THEY DON'T FORCE ANYBODY. 
          WE, UH, I GIVE A SPEECH, LET 'EM KNOW WHY WE'RE HERE, LET 'EM KNOW THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE HERE, AND ALSO SPECIFICALLY INTRODUCE MY N H S D AND D H SS, UM, TEAM MEMBER, UM, TO, UH, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE THERE AT THE PROPERTY. 
          ONCE, UM, UH, THE POLICE RUN THESE PERSONS, UM, THEN THEY ARE FREE TO SPEAK WITH, UM, UH, N H S D AND D H SS AND BE INTERVIEWED IF THEY WANT TO. 
          UM, IF WE DO NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS, OR EXCUSE ME, NOTICE OF VA A VA NOTICE TO VACATE ORDERS, UH, WE GIVE THEM THREE, FOUR DAYS TO REMOVE, NOT ONLY TO REMOVE THEIR STUFF, BUT ALSO TO FOLLOW UP WITH N H S D AND D H S. 
          IF WE COME TO A PROPERTY AND IT, NONE OF THOSE PERSONS ARE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          WE DO KNOW THAT N H SS D TAKES MORE OF A STEPS BACK AND TAKES MORE OF A SUPPORT ROLE WHILE D H S WILL, WILL STEP UP AND TRY TO ASSIST THESE PERSONS IN FINDING THEM ALTERNATIVE PLACES TO LIVE. 
          SOME SAY THEY HA HAVE THEIR OWN SPOTS. 
          THERE'S OFTENTIMES WHERE A VAN WILL COME WITH D H S'S LOGO AND THEY'LL TAKE THEM TO WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING. 
          UM, IF WE DO HAVE, UM, WE CAN, UH, CONFIRM THAT THOSE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS OR PERSONS THAT HAVE BEEN PAYING RENT THERE, UM, IT IS MORE OF N H S D THAT TAKES MORE OF A LEAD WITH D H S BEING THE SUPPORT INTERVIEW, THEY'LL PROVIDE THEM, UM, DOCUMENTATION AND PACKETS. 
          WILL THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW UP? YES. 
          AND I, I, UH, THE PERSONNEL THAT WE HAD THERE BEFORE, SHE WAS VERY GOOD AT ARTICULATING EXACTLY WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WERE. 
          FOLLOWING UP WITH LEGAL AND FOLLOWING 
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UP WITH THE, UM, UH, THE, THE, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY WERE SPEAKING TO. 
          UM, N H THAT THAT PROCEDURE AND PROCESS HAS NOT FAILED US YET. 
          N H S D HAS COME IN AND ACTUALLY DEVELOPED THAT PROCESS. 
          'CAUSE BEFORE WE WERE, HEY, HERE'S SOME PERM, HERE'S SOME PAMPHLETS, HERE'S MY PHONE NUMBER. 
          IT IS, UM, IT IS EVOLVED, UM, TO, TO WHERE IT IS NOW. 
          WE ARE FOREVER GRATEFUL. 
          THEY REALLY FULLY ON INVOLVE, THEY DO FOLLOW UP. 
          UM, WE DO GET REPORTS AT OUR, UM, MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE EVERY TWO WEEKS. 
          UM, SO IT, IT'S NOT PERFECT. 
          UM, UM, WE DO KNOW THAT IT TAKES A WHILE. 
          WE DO TRY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, UM, WHICH IS WHY WE DO NOT IMMEDIATELY EVICT PERSONS FROM THE PROPERTY OR UNLESS THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING WARRANT OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          WE DON'T ONLY IMMEDIATELY REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE PROPERTY. 
          THEY CAN BE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD NOT BE ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          WE TELL 'EM THEY SHOULDN'T BE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          WE GIVE 'EM A NOTICE TO VACATE AND THEN WE LEAVE. 
          UM, WE DON'T EVICT AT ALL. 
          DID I SAY EVICT? YES, YOU DID. 
          YOU SAID EVICT. 
          YEAH, NO, YOU SAID EVICT. 
          OH, THEN I, I APOLOGIZE. 
          WE DON'T ALL JUST THAT, THAT THAT WAS A, THAT THAT WAS A A A A MISTAKE ON MY PART. 
          WE DO NOT EVICT. 
          UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU BEFORE ANY TYPE OF, UM, UM, VACATION HAPPENS, 'CAUSE THAT IS TO VACATE ANY, ANY TIME THAT THAT HAPPENS. 
          UM, N H S D AND D H S ARE NOT ONLY WITH US, IT DOES NOT HAPPEN UNTIL YOUR APPEAL PERIOD HAS EXPIRED. 
          AND OR IF IT'S, LET'S SAY A REPAIR OR AN SS A P M C VIOLATION, WE WAIT FOR THE EXPIRATION OF THE TIME PERIOD THAT THIS BOARD GIVES BEFORE THE CITY WILL MOVE IN AND TAKE ACTION. 
          SO LET'S SAY THE APPEAL PERIOD WAS 30 DAYS, BUT YOU GAVE THEM 60 DAYS TO MAKE THE REPAIRS AND TO VACATE. 
          WE'LL STILL WAIT FOR THE EXPIRATION OF THOSE 60 DAYS. 
          WE WILL NOT WAIT JUST FOR THE EXPIRATION OF THE APPEAL. 
          THE APPEAL PERIOD. 
          WE'LL WAIT TILL THOSE, THOSE BOARD ORDERS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED AND HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED. 
          THAT IS WHEN THE CITY CAN GO IN AND EXECUTE THOSE BOARD ORDERS THAT WERE NOT FOLLOWED PRIOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          YOU ARE WELCOME. 
          SEE, UH, WE ALL LEARNED A LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, YEAH, THAT BRINGS YOU BACK TO WHERE I'M IN. 
          SO I'M NOT ATTACKING N H S D IN ANY WAY BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING. 
          YOU DO SO MUCH GOOD WORK AND YOUR HANDS ARE TIED IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS. 
          JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, ME AS AN ADVOCATE THAT, THAT I GET STUCK BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IT IS. 
          SO I'M, I'M, I'M NOT COMING AFTER  N H S D IN ANY WAY, BUT I DO WANT THEIR, LIKE, PEOPLE WATCH THE USE. 
          UM, IT, THE INFORMATION DOES GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND SO MANY TIMES, I I, I HEAR IN THE STATEMENTS, OH, WELL, THEY REFUSE SERVICES, THEY REFUSE SERVICES. 
          BUT THERE'S NEVER AN EXPLANATION TO WHY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTIONS I WAS ASKING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SAYING, OKAY, WELL WE'RE GONNA GO DROP 'EM OFF AT HAVEN FOR HOPE. 
          WELL, THEIR ONLY OPTION IS AN OPEN AIR, OPEN AIR COURTYARD OUTSIDE SLEEPING ON THE GROUND THAT IS HAVEN FOR HOPE'S OPTION WHEN YOU FIRST GO IN. 
          AND YOU HAVE TO DO THAT FOR THE FIRST THREE DAYS. 
          THAT IS A FACT. 
          SO A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY DON'T WANNA DO THAT OR THEY DON'T HAVE AN ID OR THEY DON'T HAVE THERE, THERE ARE SO MANY REASONS WHY PEOPLE SAY NO. 
          AND IT IS NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT YOUR HELP, IT'S, THEY CAN'T GET IT. 
          GREAT POINT. 
          WELL DEFINITELY THANK YOU MS. MIRANDA. 
          WE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE TO MAKE NOTE OF MORE OF THAT INFORMATION AND TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IN YOUR UPCOMING, UH, DART REPORTS. 
          YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS LEGAL. 
          AGAIN, I, I, LET ME EXPAND BECAUSE I, I, I DO THINK WE'RE PUTTING HER AT A DISADVANTAGE IN THE SENSE THAT SHE JUST RECENTLY JOINED, UM, ASSISTING WITH THE DART UNIT AND COMING TO YOU GUYS AND MM-HMM. 
           AND PROVIDING THAT EXPANDED INFORMATION. 
          UM, N H S D HAS, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ROTATE IN. 
          UM, EACH PERSON THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT IN HAS, HAS JUST EXPANDED THEIR, UM, OUR ABILITY TO REACH PERSONS. 
          SO I I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM CONTINUING TO BRING NEW ONES IN. 
          UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IDS, UM, AND INFORMATION LIKE THAT, UM, FOR, UH, SOME OF THE PERSONS THAT ARE WITHOUT, UM, HOUSING, UM, D H S HELPS THEM WITH THAT. 
          AND THAT THOSE SERVICES AND THOSE, UM, UH, THOSE TYPE OF PROGRAMS, N H SS D AND D H SS ACTIVELY WORK ON THEM TO ASSIST THE PERSONS THAT WE FIND AT THE PROPERTY THAT DO NOT HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY AND ARE NOT THE SOURCE OF THE NUISANCE. 
          WE DO TRY TO ASSIST THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
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, I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO WAY THAT N H SS D OR D H S IS GOING TO ASSIST ANYBODY THAT'S PART OF THE, THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM AT THAT PROPERTY AND OR HAS A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND. 
          IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          THAT'S HOW WE'VE ASKED THEM TO WORK ON IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT N H S D OR D H S DOES ON THEIR OWN, BUT IF YOU HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY AND OR YOU ARE, UH, CONTRIBUTING TO THE, UH, NUISANCE AT THIS PROPERTY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE'S, THERE'S NO SERVICES AVAILABLE TO YOU THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASSIST SOMEBODY WHO CONTINUES TO BRING, UM, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR ALLOW CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ONTO THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE IT SHOWS TO US, TO THE DART UNIT THAT YOU ARE NOT BEING A RESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          SO WE WILL ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AT THAT TIME. 
          NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTIES WHERE THE DART UNIT GOES TO WHERE, UH, THERE'S AN ELDERLY PERSON THAT'S BEING TAKEN CARE, UM, TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, OR A PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S NOT NECESSARILY ELDERLY BUT IS BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, UM, OR THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS NOT THEIRS. 
          IT'S MORE THE PERSONS THAT CONTINUE TO COME TO THAT HOUSE. 
          WE WILL TRY TO ASSIST THAT PROPERTY OWNER. 
          WE WILL TRY TO ASSIST THEM IN PROVIDING, UM, SERVICES THAT THE CITY CAN HELP. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY OR THAT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND IS DOCUMENTED, THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO SHELL OUT TAXPAYER MONEY TO RELOCATE YOU, EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE THE ONE THAT CAUSED OR THE SOURCE OF THE, THE NUISANCE AT THAT PROPERTY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. HER? UH, JIMENEZ, PLEASE. 
          UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR ASKING YOU FOR THE REPORT. 
          I, I GOTTA DO REPORTS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S MY COUNCIL PERSON. 
          SOME COUNCIL , SOME BOARD MEMBERS, UH, HAVEN'T SEEN THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YEARS. 
          I SEE MINE VERY, VERY QUICKLY AND RAPIDLY AFTER A MEETING. 
          SO I, I'LL GO AHEAD AND YOU REFER TO, YOU DON'T HAVE OKAY, I'LL, I'LL TALK TO THE ASSISTANT TO ASSISTANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR NUMBER ONE STAYING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S APPRECIATED. 
          HAVE A GOOD DAY. 
          MS. CHROME, YOU HAVE ? YEAH. 
          ALL MY, ALL MY STUFF IS, I'LL SAVE UP BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE HERE EXPLAINING, I THINK DANSON WILL GET A FULL MORE THAN THE OTHER QUESTIONS WE'LL BE ASKING INSTEAD OF HAVING TO ASK THEM HERE. 
          AND THEY'RE GONNA BE ANSWERED IN THE FULL BOARD. 
          BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS I, WHEN THEY STARTED COMING IN, THAT WE NEED TO, THE DART IS A BIG OPERATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE ONLY HEAR 'EM BY LITTLE PIECES, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. 
          SO WE ASK STAFF, HEY, CAN WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE COME IN AND GIVE US A LITTLE BIT? SO IT MAKES US UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT THESE PEOPLE GO THROUGH BEFORE IT COMES HERE. 
          AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND SAY, WELL, THEY NEVER OFFERED THE SERVICES. 
          AND WE KNOW THEY DID. 
          BUT IT GOES BACK TO THAT PERSON SAYING THEY NEVER GOT THE SERVICES OFFERED FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHY I WANT 'EM IN HERE TO EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT PROCESS. 
          SO I, I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE WHEN SOME PEOPLE, NOT ALL PEOPLE, WHEN SOME PEOPLE SAY I OFFERED SERVICES, THE SERVICES WAS A LIST OF PHONE NUMBERS THAT YOU CAN CALL. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          THAT'S YOUR RE I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S YOUR RESOURCE, WHATEVER. 
          THEY COME IN AND TELL US, WE HAVE THE PEOPLE IN HERE NOW THAT CAN REBUT IT. 
          WELL BEFORE WE DIDN'T. 
          AND WE ONLY HAD LIKE DART COME IN OR THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER. 
          SO I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE FULL PICTURE, WE ALREADY KNOW THE SERVICES WERE OFFERED. 
          NOW THEY'RE SAYING, YEAH, I THIS PERSON, HOW MANY DECLINED? HOW MANY REFUSED? WHICH IS A BIG PICTURE HERE, BECAUSE LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK THEY, BOTH LADIES, THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT ONES. 
          AND I DIDN'T REMEMBER HER LAST WEEK, BUT STATED THE SAME THING. 
          THE PEOPLE REFUSED THE SERVICE, WHICH MAKES A BIG DEAL. 
          AND, AND I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS WHAT, IT MAKES A BIG DEAL IN THE WHOLE PROGRAM, MS. MIRANDA, IF, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME, YES. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE REFUSED. 
          'CAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, THEY'RE UPSET THAT THE CITY HAS COME TO ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THEY ARE, UM, MISGUIDED IN, IN WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO ANYBODY. 
          IT'S, AND, AND, WHICH IS FINE. 
          I, I CAN TELL YOU PERSONS THAT, THAT THAT DECLINE ANY, UM, SERVICES, THEY STILL GET A CARD. 
          THEY STILL GET, HEY, HERE'S MY CONTACT INFORMATION. 
          UM, YOU ARE AT AN ADVANTAGE IN THE SENSE THAT I RUN THE DART UNIT. 
          SO YOUR ATTORNEY IS THE ONE THAT RUNS THE DART UNIT. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, ASK, I WILL SAY THIS. 
          THERE'S NOT ONE MEMBER ON MY TEAM ON THAT UNIT THAT'S JUST GONNA GO, HERE ARE THE SERVICES, CALL ME. 
          WE WON'T DO THAT. 
          I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO THE DART UNIT. 
          AND WHEN WE GO OUT THERE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO THAT. 
          OKAY, ED. 
          SO, 
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UM, YES. 
          UM, SO CAN WE ALSO HAVE, SO CAN WE ALSO HAVE N H SS C HERE DURING THE, UH, POLL BOARD? OR NO, NOT, I'M SORRY. 
          UH, D H S YEAH, SURE. 
          IF, IF, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, IF THIS BOARD WOULD LIKE, WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN SEE IF I CAN BRING A, A MEMBER FROM EACH DEPARTMENT, UM, AND SEE IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOU. 
          AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I ASKED BEFORE, IF WE GET ALL THE PLAYERS LIKE C P S AND ALL THIS STUFF THAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE SCENES, C P SS IS NOT PART OF MY TEAM. 
          WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THOSE PEOPLE THAT COME IN HERE AND EXPLAIN THE PROCESS FROM THIS TO THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE DO. 
          HEALTH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MAKING SURE THAT I HAVE AT LEAST A, A MEMBER FROM THE DEPARTMENT NOW THAT I'M NOT GONNA GO GET S A P D SOUTH, S A P D, NORTH S A P D. 
          BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL YES I CAN, I CAN, I CAN HANDLE THAT. 
          AND EVEN IF YOU CAN'T GET 'EM, AT LEAST WE OFFERED FOR THEM TO COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. 
          LIKE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT MAY NOT HAVE SOMEBODY AVAILABLE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT THEY ARE A CRUCIAL PART OF THE TEAM. 
          AND THEN, UH, ONE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE IS, IS LIKE THE NUMBERS, WHO, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE REFUSING, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACCEPTING SERVICES? AND ALSO, UM, TIMELINES LIKE A A A GENERAL, IT COULD BE A GENERAL ESTIMATE. 
          LIKE I CAN TELL YOU SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR WOULD REQUIRE US TO, WE HAVE AN OPEN INVESTIGATION. 
          THAT INFORMATION PROBABLY IS NOT SHARED. 
          UM, LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO IN REGARDS TO, UM, ARE, ARE, ARE YOU LIKE LOOKING FOR LIKE THE NUMBER OF PERSONS THAT WERE OFFERED SERVICES ON A DART INSPECTION? WELL, I'M, HOW, HOW MANY DART INSPECTIONS A YEAR? LIKE, SO SAY, UM, LIKE HOW MANY DART INSPECTIONS HAVE WE DONE INSPECTION? I CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION INSPECTION THAT THE HOW MANY CASES WE'VE DONE IN THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN OFFERING THAT INFORMATION TO THIS BOARD. 
          AND THEN HOW MANY PEOPLE LIKE ACCEPTED SERVICES OR REFUSE SERVICES, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HEAR THEY REFUSE SERVICES, BUT WHAT, WHERE, WHERE ARE THE NUMBERS? WHERE'S THE DATA BEHIND IT? RIGHT. 
          I I, I DO WANT TO, UM, PAUSE ON THE INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED ONLY BECAUSE OF A COUPLE OF REASONS. 
          ONE, UM, INVESTIGATIVE ISSUES. 
          AND TWO, I, I DO WANT TO, ALTHOUGH I WANT THIS BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMING IN FRONT OF YOU, WHAT I DON'T WANT US TO DO IS LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT THIS BOARD IS HERE FOR. 
          AND THIS BOARD IS NOT HERE TO JUDGE WHETHER N H SS D HAS DONE THEIR JOB OR NOT, UM, BASED ON HOW MANY PROPERTIES THEY'VE GONE TO OR, OR HOW MUCH SERVICES ARE PROVIDED, OR CAN THEY PROVIDE MORE SERVICE. 
          UH, BUT LET ME, LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO. 
          I, I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THIS DECISIONS THAT THIS BOARD MAKES. 
          SO LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO. 
          SO LEMME UH, INTERJECT HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, I JUST, WAIT, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          LET ME INTERJECT HERE. 
          UH, I GUESS, UH, WHAT SOME OF US ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE SAY THE DATA IS THE FUNDING OF SOME OF THIS PROGRAMS THAT HAVING DONE A DAM, WELL, MY DISTRICT, NOT US. 
          I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, THE REASON I AM SMILING IS I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS BOARD IS CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THIS. 
          DART ISN'T FUNDED. 
          NO, NO. 
          DART AND ALL OF HOLD ON. 
          DART. 
          AND THERE ARE PROGRAMS ARE NOT FUNDED. 
          NONE OF THE PEOPLE, WE ARE NOT FUNDED DART. 
          THE DART PROGRAM IS NOT FUNDED. 
          NO, WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DART. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT, UH, WILL THE DATA BE, UH, ACCUMULATED OR, I MEAN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DART, I'M JUST TALKING. 
          SO THE FUNDED, THE WAY THEY FUNDED, IF YOU HAVE ANY PEOPLE, WELL, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, ARE YOU, OKAY, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DOES N H S D DO THE FUNDING FOR WHAT THEY DO? WELL, NO, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE GET FUNDING WHEN, WHEN I SAY NON-PROFITS, ET CETERA. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE ANY NON-PROFITS OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE GIVEN TO THE MONEY. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT, UH, RA ASKING, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, WHAT DO THEY DO WITH THIS MONEY? I MEAN, ARE THEY AT THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR THEY'LL COME AND SAY, WELL, YOU GAVE US SOME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEAR YOU. 
          I HEAR YOU. 
          I'M NOT SAYING BY COUNCIL, MR. ZUNI, I HAVE THIS, I HAVE POINT OF ORDER. 
          THIS IS A POINT OF ORDER. 
          WHAT THE FUNDING OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS BOARD. 
          JUST LIKE THE NUMBER THEY TELL US THEY DID FOUR PEOPLE, THEY RECLINE. 
          IT'S INFORMATION THAT IS NOT REQUIRED OF THIS BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          CORRECT. 
          CORRECTION TO PART OF THAT. 
          AND THAT IS HAS NOTHING TO DO. 
          THAT'S NOT QUITE CORRECT. 
          HOWEVER, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE 
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GOT GOING RIGHT NOW IS BEYOND THE ISSUE OR THE PRIMARY ISSUE OF WHAT THIS BOARD IS ABOUT. 
          SO WHEN WE DO THAT DISCUSSION IN NOVEMBER, WE NEED TO HAVE A, FIRST OF ALL, A STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD IS PER SE, NOT RESPONSIBILITY, WHAT THE MISSION OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD IS. 
          MS. BROWN, YOU HAD A COMMENT. 
          I DO, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS. 
          I JUST WANTED TO TELL EVERYBODY THAT I TALKED TO, UH, MR. GUPTA'S WIFE. 
          I DID A, A, A HEALTH CHECK AND I TALKED TO ANN AND THEY'RE BOTH DOING FINE. 
          MR. GUPTA MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD BECAUSE HE'S NOT DRIVING ANYMORE. 
          AND HIS WIFE TOLD ME THAT SHE COULD NOT BRING HIM. 
          SO I TOLD HIM, I SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT SOME ALTERNATIVES. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WOULD PICK UP A TAB FOR THE, UM, FOR AN UBER OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          I SAID, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT ANN SAID THAT SHE WOULD RETURN, UM, I THINK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS SHE'S DOING BETTER. 
          AND IT WAS JUST A HEALTH AND WELFARE CHECK ON BOTH OF 'EM. 
          THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT SOON. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK THANKS. 
          MADAM CHAIRMAN. 
          MS. CRUM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE STRUCTURE OF THE BOARD ITSELF. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          JUDY CRUM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE B S B MEMBERSHIP PANEL. 
          A MEMBER JESSE ZUNIGA WAS REAPPOINTED TO THE B SS B ON AUGUST 3RD. 
          PAUL HERNANDEZ IS A NEW MEMBER. 
          HE WAS APPOINTED ON AUGUST 31ST, REPRESENTS DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          HE'S A MEMBER OF PANEL A. 
          ALSO, THE FOLLOWING PANEL B MEMBERS HAVE BEEN REAPPOINTED DR. 
          HERLINDA LOPEZ RODRIGUEZ WAS REAPPOINTED ON MAY 18TH. 
          KAYLA MIRANDA WAS REAPPOINTED ON AUGUST 3RD. 
          JOANNE NELSON AND FRED ANDES WERE BOTH REAPPOINTED ON AUGUST 31ST. 
          JOEL ALI WAS APPOINTED ON AUGUST 3RD AND REPRESENTS DISTRICT 10. 
          HE HAS REJOINED PANEL B. 
          THE BOARD HAS ONE VACANCY, WHICH IS AN AT LARGE POSITION, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY CLERK'S OFFICE FOR THE AT LARGE VACANCY. 
          AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PRESS RELEASE ON SOCIAL PLATFORM SEEKING APPLICANTS. 
          THIS IS ON FACEBOOK, LINKEDIN, AND ALSO ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, SAN ANTONIO.GOV. 
          JUST A REMINDER, THE FULL BOARD MEETING IS ON NOVEMBER 9TH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ANY, I WANNA MAKE A PROCLAMATION. 
          YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL MS. MS. BROWN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          YES. 
          I WANNA MAKE A PROCLAMATION. 
          UH, I'VE ASKED MY, UH, COUNCIL PERSON THREE TIMES FOR MY LETTER. 
          SO I GUESS IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE 10 YEARS LONGER, YOU DON'T REALLY NEED ONE . 
          SO THAT'S MY PROCLAMATION. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAD A QUESTION ON, UH, ONE OF THE HOMES HERE THAT WE HAD. 
          I, AND THAT WAS, I GUESS, ON IRMA AVENUE. 
          ON PICTURE 33 THERE SHOWS A FENCE THAT IT'S AROUND 10 FOOT, UH, FOOT HIGH. 
          AND, UH, MY QUESTION, UH, I BLESS, UH, STAFF. 
          STAFF AND MY, MY QUESTION AT A AND, AND I'M ASKING THIS AS A POINT OF INFORMATION FOR ME, BUT AS MY CONS, UH, ATTORNEY SAYS, IF I WANT TO QUESTION ANYBODY RIGHT THERE, WE BRING IT UP, UH, ON THIS FENCE HERE. 
          IS THERE ANY, UH, VIOLATIONS, UH, RECORDED THAT, UH, IT'S ABOUT WHAT 10 FOOT FENCE IS. 
          IS THERE ANY VIOLATION RECORDED ON THAT FENCE? UH, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST ASKING FOR A QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE ON, UH, ANOTHER BOARD OR WHATEVER THAT WE, UH, THAT I STAYED ON, WHAT ADDRESS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, MR. ZUNIGA? UH, THE FENCE THAT WE HAVE ON, UH, PICTURE 33, UH, ONE, UH, 49 39 IRMA AVENUE. 
          SPECIFICALLY, THE FENCE IS HIGHER THAN THE CITY'S STANDARD, UH, FOR FENCE HEIGHT. 
          UNLESS , PLEASE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I SAY. 
          I WANTED HER TO ASK A QUESTION TO STAFF. 
          AND, UH, IF, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING, BUT I WANT HER TO GO THROUGH AND, AND, UH, ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          UH, DO WE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, THIS HOUSE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEMOLISH, REQUEST THE NEXT DOOR, UH, HOUSE HAS A FENCE THAT'S 10 FEET OR WHATEVER HIGH. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, WHEN THE CODE COMPLIANT OFFICERS, WERE LOOKING AT THIS OTHER HOUSE THAT DEMOLISH, DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION IF WE HAVE A, A COURT VIOLATION ON THAT HOUSE? YOU 
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DON'T HAVE, I'M JUST ASKING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU HAVE OR YOU DON'T BECAUSE, UH, IN, IN OTHER PLACES THAT I GO, OTHER MEETINGS WHEN I BRING SOMETHING UP ON, UH, THE CODE VIOLATIONS, I SAID THAT IT'S LIKE, AND RELATED IN THE SAME PROPERTY, SAY WE GOT A ROOF, WHATEVER, BUT THE, WE FIND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BAD AND VIOLATED. 
          THEY SAY, WELL, CODE COMPLIANCE DIDN'T ADDRESS IT. 
          SO WE CAN'T ADDRESS IT HERE. 
          WE, WE CAN ONLY ADDRESS, SAY A VARIANCE OF THE LIKES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN A, A CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICER GOES TO A HOUSE TO INVESTIGATE A VIOLATION, DO THEY ONLY ZERO IN ON WHAT THEY WENT OVER THERE FOR? OR CAN THEY EXPEND THEIR INVESTIGATION AND VIOLATIONS OF OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE HOUSE THAT ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE COMPLIANCE? JUST A REAL QUICK COMMENT BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          THE FENCE IN QUESTION, ACTUALLY IT BELONGS TO THE PROPERTY. 
          ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          THAT'S AS A RESULT OF THAT, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THIS PANEL. 
          I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SIR. 
          THIS FENCE HERE IS A VIOLATION AND IT'S A, AND THE OTHER PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT, IT'S NOT, THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED, EXCUSE ME. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          I'M, I'M SORRY. 
          STOP. 
          TIME OUT. 
          CAN WE STOP? I'M OUT. 
          TIME OUT. 
          THIS IS LEGAL. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CRYSTAL CLEAR ON TWO THINGS. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST. 
          UM, THERE'S AN ALLEGATION THAT YOU BELIEVE BASED ON THIS ONE PICTURE THAT IS IN VIOLATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS IN VIOLATION, NOR ARE WE GOING TO ASSUME IT IS IN VIOLATION. 
          SECONDLY, IN GENERAL, IF A CODE OFFICER GOES TO A PROPERTY FOR A PROBLEM AND THEY SEE A COUPLE OF OTHERS, THEY CAN ADDRESS THOSE OTHERS IF THEY ARE SEEING THEM, BUT IF THEY DON'T ADDRESS. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST IN GENERAL. 
          AND THEN OH, OKAY. 
          BUT NOT, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          WAIT A MINUTE. 
          THIS GONE TOO LONG. 
          WHAT? I SAID NOT, NOT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT I SAID WHAT I SAID HERE. 
          WHEN THEY GO SAVE FOR THE HOUSE HERE, JUST AN EXAMPLE. 
          DO THE CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICER, YOU KNOW, FOR THE OTHER HOUSE THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DO THEY MAKE A VIOLATION OF THAT? IF THEY SEE IT OR THEY GO TUNNEL VISION ONLY ON WHAT THEY WENT TO? SEE? THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. 
          BUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, HOLD ON. 
          WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, UM, TELL ME WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, HEY, I'M COMING OVER HERE 'CAUSE I HEARD THAT THIS GRASS HASN'T BEEN CUT. 
          DO YOU WANT, AM I SERIOUS, SOLELY GONNA FOCUS ON THE GRASS THAT'S BEEN CUT OR CAN I ALSO ADDRESS ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT I SEE WHILE I'M THERE TO ADDRESS THE GRASS THAT'S CUT? I THINK THEY SHOULD ADDRESS ALL THIS ISSUES. 
          I DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT I TELL WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING, YOU HOLD ON. 
          WHAT I AM SAYING, I GET IT. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHAT I'D LIKE FOR US TO DO HERE AT THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD IS FOCUS, ESPECIALLY ON ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES, ISSUES THAT COME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. 
          I DON'T WANT US TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT COME IN FRONT OF ANY OTHER BOARD DURING, DURING ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES. 
          WITH THAT SAID, LET ME ALLOW AMIN TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTION, BUT ACT AFTER THAT, I WOULD LIKE FOR OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES TO ADDRESS ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES THAT APPLY HERE. 
          W WELL, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          I MEAN, YOU HAVE MISINTERPRETED ME ON THIS AND YOU, COLONEL, HAVE INTERPRETED ON SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO LISTEN TO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO, SO LET ME, THANK YOU. 
          LET ME TRY TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          SO NUMBER ONE, MANY OF YOU KNOW CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO, 14 YEARS AGO, CODE ENFORCEMENT USED TO DO 80% REACTIVE CALLS. 
          SO THEY KIND OF, WHEN THEY GET THE CALL, THEY GO RESPOND TO THAT CALL AND ONLY THAT CALL. 
          SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY DO 80% REACTIVE. 
          THEY DON'T DO PROACTIVE. 
          VERY, YOU KNOW, SINCE THEN, ACTUALLY WE ARE TOTALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND. 
          WE ARE ALMOST 80% PROACTIVE VERSUS REACTIVE. 
          SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS, AS A CODE OFFICER, I GET A CALL AT THIS LOCATION, I GO TO DO THAT ONE SPECIFIC THING, TALL GRASS OR WHATEVER IT IS WHILE I'M THERE, IF I SEE ANYTHING AT THAT PROPERTY OR NEXT PROPERTIES, I DO ADDRESS IT. 
          SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          NOW. 
          WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS. 
          WE MIGHT BE WORKING ON SOMETHING. 
          AND AGAIN, ASSUMING THIS FENCE IS IN VIOLATION, LET'S SAY THAT FOR NOW. 
          MAYBE WE MISSED IT. 
          I DO NOT KNOW. 
          AS, AS OF NOW, WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE DO NOT KNOW IF THAT FENCE IS IN VIOLATION OR NOT. 
          BUT YOU DID POINT THIS OUT. 
          WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL MAKE SURE WE DO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, BUT THAT ISSUE AS, UH, LEGAL SAID, REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT ONE PROPERTY THAT YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING AT AND 
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ADDRESSING. 
          SO AGAIN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DO A LOT OF PROACTIVE INSPECTIONS. 
          WE DO ALMOST 80% OF OUR WORK IS PROACTIVE. 
          AGAIN, WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE ADDRESS ANY ISSUES OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT WE ARE RECEIVED CALL FOR AROUND THAT AREA. 
          AREA, YES, SIR. 
          MR. AMIN. 
          THAT'S WHY I STATED WHEN YOU GO, WHEN I STARTED, WHEN I STARTED MR. EN, WAIT, WE'LL FINISH THE DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. 
          THAT'S WHAT ASKING, ASKING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE HERE. 
          I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS HOUSE. 
          YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST LIKE TO BRING IN SOME OTHER STUFF. 
          JUST WHATEVER THE PROBLEM IS, UH, OR THEIR, THEIR AGENDA UNDER UNDERSTOOD. 
          JUST SAYING, JUST AN EXAMPLE, AN EXAMPLE, AGAIN, I I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT AND AS I MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED THIS ISSUE. 
          WE WILL LOOK INTO IT. 
          I'M NOT, MAYBE OUR CODE OFFICER ALREADY LOOKED INTO IT AND I HAVE A VARIANCE IF IT'S EVEN HIGHER THAN, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          I HAD THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY ASKED ME, I'M, I WANT MORE THAN A SIX FOOT FENCE. 
          THE CITY CODE REQUIRES A SIX FOOT FENCE FOR A HOUSE MAX. 
          YOU CAN GO DOWN AND GET A DIFFERENT VARIANCE UPON JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT FENCE TO BE HIGHER. 
          AND SINCE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A BRAND NEW FENCE, I BET YOU THERE'S A, UH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PUT A PERMIT IN, SO THE PERMIT AND THE DRAWINGS WILL INDICATE THE SIZE OF FENCE. 
          NOW, CAN WE GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM THAT I BROUGHT UP BEFORE? AND IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION AND, AND ANSWER ON THE TOP LINE. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT I ASK. 
          IT WASN'T TO BEAT HER UP, IS THEY, THEY MENTIONED A VACATE BUT DIDN'T PUT IN THERE, IT WASN'T ISSUED. 
          AND SHE CAME BACK WHEN I ASKED HER, WHY WAS THIS DOWN HERE? IF THE SERVICES, AND THIS IS WHAT I ASK LEGAL, IF THE SERVICES WERE CUT OFF. 
          UH, LET ME, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU JUST A SECOND BECAUSE THE, IF YOU GO BACK AND READ THE NOTES, IN FACT, GO AHEAD AND BRING UP THE NOTES REAL QUICK ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE IF YOU READ IT, IT SAYS VACATE SPACE. 
          NO. 
          WELL, THE WAY I READ, AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING, OKAY, THAT'S A MATTER OF, OF THE WAY YOU READ IT. 
          BUT IN REALITY, RIGHT, WHICH WAY THEY DID NOT ISSUE A VACATE. 
          AND THEY STATED THEY DID NOT ISSUE A VACATE. 
          BUT IT WAS, HOLD ON. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU. 
          IS IT THE FIRST ONE? FIRST ONE, WHEN IT'S IN THERE AND IT READS, THERE IS NO DEFINED. 
          IT SAYS ALL BOLD. 
          NO, BUT THEN IT GOES INTO THE ROOF. 
          BUT WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO THE BOTTOM PART OF THE NODES, AND THIS IS WHAT I SAID BEFORE, IF THE WATER IS AUTOMATICALLY CUT OFF, THEN THAT AUTOMATICALLY IS A REASON. 
          THE CITY HAS SAID PEOPLE WILL BE, BUT TWO MONTHS LATER, WITHIN THAT SAME PERIOD, THEY PUT A VACATE ABOUT A MONTH LATER WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IMMEDIATELY WHEN THE WATER WAS CUT OFF. 
          THAT'S THE QUESTION I ASKED. 
          AND WE TABLED TO NOW THAT WHY COULDN'T THE PROCESS BE STARTED AS SOON AS THE WATER WAS CUT OFF INSTEAD OF WAITING? THE, THE PROCESS OF OF BRINGING IT TO US TO ORDER A VACATE. 
          OH, UH, A SIMPLE QUESTION BECAUSE, UM, MY, THE DART DARTS CODE OFFICER, DANGEROUS PREMISE OFFICER WAS, UM, PROMOTED. 
          NO, NO, I'M SAYING I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M LETTING YOU KNOW WHY IT TOOK SO LONG THIS PROPERTY WAS GETTING READY TO DO ITS THING, BUT THEN JOSH WAS DOING SUCH A BANG UP JOB THAT HE GOT PROMOTED AND IT TOOK US A LITTLE WHILE TO GET SOMEBODY BACK INTO THAT POSITION AND HAVE TO CATCH UP IN ADDITION, HOLD ON. 
          IN ADDITION TO CLOSING OUT ALL THE OTHER CASES THAT THEY WERE DOING. 
          BUT ON, ON THE TIME THAT IT WAS NOTED, THE WATER WAS CUT OFF, WHY WASN'T THAT AUTOMATICALLY PUT INTO THE SYSTEM INSTEAD OF WAITING HOME? I I I I I I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU BELIEVE. 
          IF WE PUT IN THE WATER WAS CUT OFF, IT, IT IS. 
          WHAT, WHAT PART? I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, BECAUSE UNDER THE CODE IT SAYS IF YOU DO NOT HAVE WATER ELECTRIC, I UNDERSTAND. 
          NO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT WHAT YOU'RE WANTING THE CITY TO DO IS ACTUALLY ENFORCE IT. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          IT WAS NOT PUT IN UNTIL ALMOST A MONTH LATER FOR VACATE AFTER THE WATER WAS ALREADY CUT OFF, THEN IT WAS PUT IN INSTEAD OF BEING PUT IN AS SOON AS THE WATER WAS NOTED. 
          I I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. 
          AT TIME-WISE, IT WOULD'VE MADE ABOUT TWO MONTHS DIFFERENCE. 
          AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN HERE. 
          NO, IT WOULDN'T BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CODE OFFICER TO TAKE OVER UNTIL CRYSTAL GOT REASSIGNED. 
          AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          IT WAS WHEN SHE GOT REASSIGNED, THE WATER WAS NOTED TO BE CUT OFF. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE WANTING CRYSTAL TO DO, BECAUSE IT SAYS NO WATER, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME AUTOMATIC SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS. 
          NOT ONLY IT'S A DART PROPERTY. 
          SO DART HAS TO GO OUT AND DO THE INSPECTION. 
          WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. 
          WE HAVE TO GET CRYSTAL CAUGHT UP TO HOW WE DO THINGS IN ADDITION TO HER CLOSING HER OTHER CASES. 
          IT WAS JUST GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO GET THIS PROPERTY HANDLED. 
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AND ONCE, EVEN IF THE WATER IS CUT OFF AND UTILITIES ARE CUT OFF, THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO GO INTO THAT PROPERTY AND, AND, AND TAKE IT OVER. 
          IF WE HAD NOT HAD, HOLD ON. 
          IF WE HAD NOT HAD A CODE OFFICER CHANGE AND PERSONNEL CHANGE, WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE DONE SOMETHING. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE FACT, IF YOU SEE IT THE DAY THAT WE WENT OUT THERE, WHICH IS JANUARY, WE'RE NOT KICKING ANYBODY OUT OF A HOUSE IN JANUARY. 
          I I'M NOT SAYING KICK 'EM OUT, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANYBODY. 
          I'M SAYING WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, I'M, AS THE COLD SAID, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND, WE, THIS, THE DART UNIT IS NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT, TRY OR EVEN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE ANYBODY DURING THE COLDEST MONTHS OF THIS AREA. 
          AND I MEAN, I DON'T, IT'S, IT'S AN IMPERFECT SYSTEM, BUT IT, IT, WHAT I'M READING RIGHT HERE IS THE PERSON WENT OUT THERE, THE METER HAS BEEN REMOVED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          AT THAT TIME SHOULD HAVE AUTOMATICALLY, EVERYTHING SHOULD HAVE STOPPED. 
          AND THAT CASE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FORWARDED AUTOMATICALLY. 
          BY WHO? BY THE INSPECTOR. 
          IT SAYS IT RIGHT HERE. 
          I HAD A NEW INSPECTOR. 
          7 27 23. 
          NO, RIGHT NOW. 
          RIGHT IN THOSE NOTES. 
          7 7 27 0 23. 
          WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT EVERYTHING STOPS AND THIS PROPERTY BE NUMBER ONE IN IN LINE. 
          NO, NO, I'M SAYING THIS PROPERTY INSTEAD OF GOING UP UNTIL 9 28. 
          SO THE REASON IT HAS TO SHOULD HAVE AUTOMATICALLY BEEN BECAUSE IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. 
          AND THAT PROCESS WOULD'VE STARTED BEFORE IT WOULD NOT HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          SEE, THIS IS THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING WHEN WE READ THESE NOTES, MR. ANDIS, YOU'RE TELLING US ALL OF THIS CODE, MR. ANDANDAND. 
          I I I HEAR YOU. 
          AND WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT, MR. ANDIS. 
          IT IS, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO DEFEND HOW A DART UNIT HANDLED SOMETHING AT THAT TIME AND TRY TO JUSTIFY TO YOU WHY THAT PROPERTY WASN'T IMMEDIATELY PUT TO YOU. 
          BECAUSE THE, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE THAT ANYBODY'S DEALING WITH. 
          AND, AND IT IS JUST, IT JUST ISN'T. 
          I, I I, IT, IT IS AN IMPERFECT SYSTEM. 
          BUT ONCE WE DID A NOTICE TO VACATE AND THE METER WAS REMOVED BY I BELIEVE SAWS, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT PROPERTY SHOULD IMMEDIATELY CAME UP HERE. 
          AND I'M TELLING YOU THE PROCESS, IT FUNCTIONALLY, IT COULDN'T HAVE, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF NOTICE. 
          IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF REVIEW. 
          I'M NOT SAYING SHOULD HAVE CAME TO US IMMEDIATELY. 
          I'M SAYING THE PROCESS OF ALL OF THIS BRINGING IT TO US, IT SHOULD HAVE STARTED BACK THEN WHEN THE METER WAS NOTED TO BE REMOVED. 
          'CAUSE THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE POWER, GAS, AND WATER TO LIVE IN THE PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CITY HAS TO IMMEDIATELY BRING THAT PROPERTY TO YOU. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE FRUSTRATED AND YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE CODE. 
          THE CODE DOESN'T NEED TO, OKAY, LET ME, LET ME JUMP IN AGAIN. 
          SO LET'S CLARIFY. 
          YOUR QUESTION IS, IN GENERAL, THE PROCESS NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS SHOULD'VE STARTED TWO MONTHS PRIOR TO HOLD, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY BECAUSE LEGAL ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY THAT WE HAD TO CHANGE DP OFFICER. 
          SO THAT'S ASIDE. 
          YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          I GO TO A PROPERTY, THERE IS NO UTILITIES. 
          YOU WANT ME TO ISSUE A NOTICE TO VACATE IMMEDIATELY AND IN AND THAT STARTS THE PROCESS? IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? I WANNA CLARIFY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          'CAUSE IT STARTS THE PROCESS. 
          NO, NO. 
          I KNOW AS SOON AS THE ACT COME HERE. 
          BUT AGAIN, IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? THAT IF I GO TO A PROPERTY AND THERE IS NO UTILITIES, YOU WANT ME TO ISSUE NOTICE TO VACATE THE, THAT'S WHAT THE CITY CODE SAYS. 
          OKAY. 
          IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND WHEN WE DID THE CODE UPDATES, SPECIFICALLY THIS GO AROUND LIKE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, SIX MONTHS AGO, THIS TOPIC CAME UP AND WE WERE INSTRUCTED AND DIRECTED TO MAKE SURE TO NOT ISSUE A NOTICE TO VACATE UNTIL WE OFFER ALL SERVICES. 
          SO WHAT WE DO TODAY IS I GO TO A PROPERTY, THERE IS NO UTILITIES. 
          IF IT'S LEGALLY OCCUPIED, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, THAT'S THE THE CAVEAT HERE. 
          WE REACH OUT TO NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES AND D H S AND WE SAY THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE. 
          THEY DO NOT, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF CODE TO LIVE THERE. 
          BUT GO CHECK ON THEM AND SEE IF THEY CAN, IF WE CAN ASSIST, IF THEY NEED US TO PAY UTILITY BILL, WE MIGHT DO THAT. 
          IF THEY NEED ASSISTANCE WITH FOOD, THAT WAY THEY HAVE ONLY LIMITED RESOURCES, THEY CAN PAY THE BILL BECAUSE THEY NEED FOOD OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. 
          WE WILL PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. 
          IF WE PROVIDE SERVICES TO THEM AND THEY CAN GET THEIR UTILITIES BACK, EVERYBODY'S HAPPY. 
          THAT'S THE BEST RESULT. 
          IF WE REACH OUT TO THEM AND WE WORK WITH THEM FOR, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST TWO WEEKS, SOMETIMES A MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF. 
          IF THEY REFUSE TO TAKE OUR SERVICES OR THEY DON'T WANT IT OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, AT THAT POINT I DO WITH MY AUTHORITY SIGN A NOTICE TO VACATE. 
          AGAIN, DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA VACATE THEM, DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA KICK THEM OUT. 
          IN, IN GENERAL CASES IN THE PAST WE HAVE PUT PEOPLE 
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OUT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE WATER SERVICES HOOKED UP AND THEY COULD NOT FLUSH THEIR TOILETS. 
          AND WE PUT 'EM, WE VACATED THEM FOR THOSE SPECIFIC REASONS. 
          HERE IS THE SAME PRINCIPLE AGAIN. 
          WE, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM SERVICES AND THEN IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, I ISSUE THE NOTICE TO ATE. 
          IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE GONNA VACATE THEM AGAIN. 
          I CANNOT, I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO VACATE ANYBODY AND IT, I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE NOTICE TO VACATE. 
          IT WAS TESTIFIED THAT SERVICES WERE OFFERED AND THEY REFUSED THEM. 
          AND THIS IS DURING THE PROCESS OF NO WATER CHAIR CHAIR IS GOING TO TERMINATE THIS DISCUSSION FOR POTENTIAL DISCUSSION WITHIN THE STAFF PER SE. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY WE NEED TO BRING UP OUTSIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? WE HAVE, IF NONE WITHOUT OBJECTION, BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT, WE'RE ADJOURNED AT 10 57. 
          THANK.
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