Nov 01, 2023 Historic and Design Review Commission

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING.

THIS OUR TRANSLATORS ARE COMING UP.

UM, WE HAVE A RARE SHORT AGENDA.

THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS MONICA SINO.

IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE A CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.

AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.

IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.

IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF A REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.

CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKERS CALLED UPON SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.

PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.

CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.

AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.

AND I'D LIKE TO EXTEND A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO OUR DEPUTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, COREY EDWARDS.

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ANNOUNCEMENTS.

WE JUST NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 18TH.

MR. CHAIR.

I MOVE THAT THE MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 18TH.

BE APPROVED.

SECOND.

SECOND MOTION.

SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE.

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN-PERSON SPEAKERS, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CASES FOR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH 12 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS NINE 30 WEST LOWELL, THE 500 BLOCK OF NORTH SAN JACINTO, 2 0 7 ROOSEVELT, 2 0 1 ROOSEVELT AND 7 0 3 LONE STAR 1 24 LA SOYA, 9 23 EAST CARSON 5 0 6 STEERING, UH, 32 18 KAISER TWO 84TH, THE RAIN TWO 10 WEST ROSEWOOD, 4 0 5 NORTH ST.

MARY'S, TWO 11 WEST SHERIDAN AND 5 0 4 EAST EVERGREEN.

YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

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WOULD ALSO

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LIKE TO NOTE AT THIS TIME THAT ITEM NUMBER 13 1 0 7 MADISON HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT AS HAS ITEM NUMBER 15 5 18 EAST PARK.

SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14 3 15 REFU STREET AGENDA, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER HDRC CASE, EXCUSE ME, HDRC CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 23 15 REFU, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 364 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY REAR ADDITION STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY REAR.

ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH Q STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT MEET THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE, TO THE HDRC ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE REAR EDITION AND PROPOSES A REAR EDITION THAT DOES NOT EXTEND BEYOND THE FRONT FACADE FOOTPRINT.

BASED ON FINDING E, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC TWO THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIES THE SECOND STORY FENESTRATION ON THE FRONT FACADE TO FEATURE ALIGNED OPENINGS BASED ON FINDING J THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED FIXED WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE ADDITION AND SUBMITS AN UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWING PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC BASED ON FINDING I FOUR, THAT A DETACHED GARAGE OR PARKING AREA IS UTILIZED IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED FRONT FACING ATTACHED GARAGE BASED ON FINDING N FIVE, THAT ANY LANDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS ARE SUBMITTED IN A SEPARATE APPLICATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE START OF ANY LANDSCAPING WORK BASED ON FINDING Q AND SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY'S ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.

AND THE APPLICANT, DAVID HANNON IS WITH US IN PERSON.

UH, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I'M REPRESENTING THE CLIENTS IN THIS CASE.

UM, AT OUR LAST HEARING, UM, WE DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB OF KIND OF GOING OVER THE CONTEXT OF THE PROJECT AND AS WELL AS REHASHING SOME OF THE HISTORY THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH TO GET TO THIS POINT.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY ON ON US.

UM, SO, UH, WE HAD A, A GOOD DRC MEETING, UM, AFTER OUR LAST HEARING.

UM, SO WE GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK AND WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS SINCE THEN, UM, AS WELL.

AND SO WE LIKE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH, UM, ONE, KIND OF A BRIEF HISTORY OF, OF THE PROJECT AND ITS KIND OF EVOLUTION AND HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, UM, AS WELL AS GO OVER SOME OF THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE SINCE OUR LAST HEARING.

SO STARTING OFF, WE FIRST WENT TO, UH, DRC WITH THIS PROJECT BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.

UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE, UM, ADDITION WAS MUCH LARGER AND TALLER AT THAT POINT.

UM, AND SO THAT WAS THE MAIN FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT, UM, DURING THAT, UH, DURING THAT REVIEW.

UM, AND THEN WE WENT TO HDRC IN DECEMBER OF 2022.

UM, AND THE, WE GOT A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK, UM, A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK AND, UM, IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.

WE, UH, WERE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THE PROJECT BY ABOUT SEVEN EIGHT FEET.

UM, AND WE ALSO GOT SOME COMMENTS ABOUT TWEAKING SOME OF THE GLAZING ON THE, ON THE FRONT FACADE.

AND SO AT OUR LAST, AT OUR LAST HEARING, WE PRESENTED THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT, UM, WITH SOME COLOR.

UM, AGAIN, GOT SOME ADDITIONAL NOTES ON REDUCING THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE, OF THE ADDITION, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO BETTER MAKE THE GARAGE FEEL LIKE IT'S DETACHED FROM THE HOUSE.

SO THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW.

UH, WE'VE MADE A, YOU KNOW, A, A CHANGE IN THE MATERIAL AND COLOR OF THE ACTUAL GARAGE PORTION OF THE ADDITION.

UM, SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT KIND OF BREAKS UP THE COMPONENTS OF ALL THREE PIECES.

UM, AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR VIEW, IT'S THE BEST ARTICULATION WE CAN DO TO MAKE THE GARAGE FEEL LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY DETACHED FROM BOTH THE ADDITION AS WELL AS THE MAIN HOUSE.

SO HERE'S SOME, UH, ELEVATIONS OF THE REAR FACADE.

GOING BACK TO, UH, WHAT WE INITIALLY PROPOSED IN 2022.

UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY THREE STORIES AT THAT POINT.

UM, AND THEN BACK IN, UH, OUR HDRC CONCEPT APPROVAL IN 2022.

UM,

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YOU KNOW, WE SEVERELY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, REDUCED THE SIZE, YOU CAN KIND OF BETTER SEE THE, THE DIFFERENCES IN THIS, IN THIS DRAWING.

UM, WHAT WE STARTED OUT WITH, UM, AND THEN WHAT WE, UH, PRESENTED FOR HDRC CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

AND THEN OUR LAST HEARING, UM, THE MAIN COMMENT WE GOT WAS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO REDUCE THE, UM, CLEAR STORY ABOVE THE WINDOWS, UH, ABOVE THE DOOR, UM, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE WITHIN THE EXISTING SECTION OF THE HOUSE.

AND SO WE'VE SINCE TAKEN THAT OFF, UM, IN THE PROPOSED ADDITION, UM, OR IN THE PROPOSED DRAWING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

AND THIS DRAWING JUST SHOWS, YOU KNOW, THE TWO SIDE ELEVATIONS, UM, AS WELL AS THE FRONT ELEVATION AS WELL.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE HERE, WE'RE ARTICULATING THAT THE REAR ADDITION IS, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY SET BACK FROM THE, UM, FROM THE FRONT OF THE MAIN HOUSE.

UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO CHANGED THE MATERIAL AND COLOR ON THE SIDE JUST A LITTLE BIT TO, YOU KNOW, FURTHER THAT DISTINCTION.

SO WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS SECTION, UM, FOR A FEW, FOR A FEW POINTS.

UM, ONE, THE DIMENSION ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE DRAWING, YOU KNOW, SHOWS US SIX FOOT EIGHT DIMENSION.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SPRING LINE OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR ROOF STARTS, AND THAT'S BY CODE THAT'S MINIMUM OF WHERE OUR CEILING CAN BE.

SO WE CAN'T REALLY DROP OUR CEILING ANY LOWER THAN THAT SIX FOOT EIGHT MARK.

UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE STARTING.

UM, THE OTHER ITEM WE WANTED TO POINT OUT WITH THIS DRAWING IS THE, THE TWO, TWO FOOT 11 AND A HALF DIMENSIONS.

UM, BASICALLY ARTICULATING THAT THE WINDOWS ARE CENTERED WITHIN THE ENTIRE GABLE FRONT FACADE, UM, OF THAT PLANE.

UM, BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW OUR CONSTRAINTS WITH HOW MANY WINDOWS WE'RE SHOWING ON OUR FACADE.

SO WE'VE GOT THE SHOWER, UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SMALL WINDOW, AS WELL AS THE VANITY, UM, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE STAIRCASE AND HALLWAY, UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE, THE LARGER WINDOW.

AND THEN THE THIRD THING WE WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS THE, UH, CEILINGS AND THE NEW ADDITION ARE AROUND 10 FEET, UH, WHILE THESE CEILINGS AND THE, UM, AND THE EXISTING PART OF THE HOUSE ARE ABOUT 11 FEET, SO WE ARE MAKING A, A LITTLE BIT OF A DROP THERE.

AND THEN WE ALSO WANTED TO BRING THIS IMAGE BACK FROM OUR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL PRESENTATION JUST TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THE CONTEXT OF THE STREET.

UM, YOU KNOW, HERE WE'RE SHOWING THAT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IS ACTUALLY TALLER THAN THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE BRINGING PROPOSED, UM, AS WELL AS THE, UM, TWO STORY HOUSE THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, UM, IN THE BOTTOM MIDDLE, UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY ALSO TALLER THAN THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.

SO, UM, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF IN A, IN A NICE KIND OF SWEET SPOT BETWEEN SOME OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND SOME OF THE, UM, SOME, UH, EXISTING HOMES.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO KIND OF POINT OUT WITH THIS.

UM, AND THE NEXT ONE.

AND THEN THE, UH, THIS LAST, UM, IMAGE I WANTED TO BRING BACK FROM OUR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AS WELL, UM, JUST ILLUSTRATING THAT, UH, THERE'S QUITE A FEW HOMES, UM, JUST WITHIN A FEW BLOCK RADIUS THAT HAVE FRONT FACING GARAGES.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ONLY HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A FRONT FACING GARAGE.

WE WANT TO SHOW THAT THERE, THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.

QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

UH, MAY WE GO THROUGH THE SIX STIPULATIONS? SURE.

TO SEE WHERE, WHERE WE ARE ON THAT? UM, NUMBER ONE, REDUCING THE MASSING AND OVERALL, UM, HEIGHT.

AND YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING Y'ALL HAVE DONE? I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT OUR BARE MINIMUM OF WHAT WE CAN DO HEIGHT WISE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THAT CEILING HEIGHT, UM, ISSUE I MENTIONED AS WELL AS STRUCTURALLY, WE REALLY CAN'T REDUCE THE PITCH OF THE ROOF WITHOUT GETTING, YOU KNOW, A LOT HEAVIER STRUCTURE INVOLVED.

UM, JUST BECAUSE THE, THE FLATTER IT GETS, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT, YOU KNOW, TENDS TO, TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT.

SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY AT OUR, UM, AT OUR LOWEST POINT IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE FEEL LIKE THE GARAGE TWEAK WITH MATERIAL AND COLOR ALSO KIND OF HELPS SEPARATE OR REDUCE THE MASSING OF THE OVERALL, SO IT DOESN'T ALL LOOK MONOLITHIC.

MM-HMM.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT NOW.

WINDOW OR ALIGNMENT AND SIZING, CORRECT? RIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER TWO.

UM, YOU'VE MODIFIED THE SECOND STORY

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THIS WAS A COMMENT THAT CAME UP DURING THE, UM, DRC HEARING.

MM-HMM.

UM, SO WE DID LOWER THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER THREE.

UM, YOU'VE INSTALLED ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS AND WE'VE PROPOSED FIXED WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE.

SO WITH THIS ONE, WE'VE GOT A, THE WINDOW YOU CAN SEE THAT'S KIND OF TUCKED IN THE BACK, UM, BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE MAIN HOUSE, THE MULIAN WOULD BE RIGHT AT EYE LEVEL, SO SOMEONE STANDING AT A SINK WOULD SEE WOULD THAT MULIAN WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.

SO IDEALLY WE'D, WE'D LIKE TO NOT HAVE THE MULIAN THERE.

UM, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S CRUCIAL, UM, TO GETTING THE APPROVAL, WE'LL WE'RE DEFINITELY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE'LL CONSIDER IT.

AND NUMBER FOUR IS THE DETACHED GARAGE, WHICH YOU'VE MENTIONED.

AND, UM, UH, NUMBER FIVE, STIPULATION NUMBER FIVE, UH, YOU'RE GOOD WITH, UH, SUBMITTING A LANDSCAPE PLAN IN A SEPARATE APPLICATION BEFORE ANY WORK BEGINS? RIGHT? LANDSCAPING IS JUST, OKAY.

IT'S SO FAR INTO THE FUTURE.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SURE COST OF THIS CONSTRUCTION IS GONNA BE AT THE FOREFRONT.

SO LANDSCAPING IS DEFINITELY GONNA BE A SECOND, A SECOND APPROVAL.

AND THE FINAL QUESTION, YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY, IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, SETBACKS THAT ARE NOT, UM, CONFORMING THAT YOU'LL BE GOING TO BE OA FOR ANY OF THOSE? RIGHT.

AND WE'VE, WE'VE ARTICULATED THOSE ON THE FLOOR PLAN, UM, SITE PLAN.

SO WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE WITHIN THE SETBACK, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE.

SO ESSENTIALLY YOU ARE, UH, GOOD WITH STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, UM, FIVE AND SIX AND THREE IS THE, THE WINDOW MULIAN OPERATIONAL, AND NUMBER FOUR IS, UH, I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S, UH, NOT POSSIBLE TO DO IN THIS ON YOUR LOT, SO, OKAY.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

STAFF HAD SOME OF THE, UM, FINDINGS FOR THIS LOT COVERAGE.

DO YOU WANNA GO OVER THE LOT COVERAGE? SO RIGHT NOW I THINK WE'RE RIGHT AT, UM, A LITTLE OVER 50%.

I THINK WE'RE AT 50.4% OF LOT COVERAGE.

UM, AND SO WE, WE'VE REDUCED IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, KIND OF INCREMENTALLY WITH EACH, WITH EACH SUBMISSION.

BUT WE'RE, AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF RIGHT AT OUR, AT OUR MAX POINT THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN BE AND STILL MEET THE PROGRAM FOR THE, FOR THE HOUSE.

SO STAFF, YOUR CONCERN IS STILL, IS IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER 50, CORRECT? YES.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I HAVE A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER CERVANTES.

YEAH, I MOVE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, APPLICATION BE APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS 1, 2, 5, AND SIX.

I'LL SECOND MOTION, SECOND DISCUSSION.

UH, MR. CHAIR? UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH.

YEAH, I, I I JUST WANT TO KIND OF, UH, EMPHASIZE AND HIGHLIGHT THE, THE WORK YOU'VE PUT IN HERE AND WORKING WITH THE, UH, THE COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS AND, AND DOING THE DRC AND, AND TAKING THE FEEDBACK AND THE GUIDANCE THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN, UH, TO TRY AND SQUEEZE YOUR PROJECT INTO SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS HERE.

IT, IT'S NOT ALL GONNA FIT PERFECTLY, BUT I THINK YOU'VE MADE SOME MILESTONES AND WORKED REALLY WELL ON THIS PROJECT TO KIND OF MAKE IT HAPPEN.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

CAN I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION CORRECTLY THEN? 'CAUSE YOU WANNA INCLUDE STIPULATION ONE OR WHICH ONES ARE YOU WANTING TO KEEP OR WHICH ONES ARE YOU WANTING TO EXCLUDE? SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS 1, 2, 5, AND SIX, AND THEN THREE AND FOUR AS PRESENTED, RIGHT? SO JUST BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS, YOU STILL WANT THIS APPLICANT TO REDUCE THE OVERALL MASSING? UH, LET ME SEE HERE.

I THINK HE'S ALREADY DONE THAT, RIGHT? YOU'VE ALREADY, YOU'VE ALREADY, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I THINK MAYBE YOU WANNA, YOU MAY NEED TO CLARIFY YOUR MOTION THAT YEAH, THEN I'LL GO WITH THAT SUBMITTED ON THAT FACTOR, THEN ON THAT STIPULATION, WE'LL GO WITH THAT SUBMITTED.

SO WHICH STIPULATIONS ARE WE KEEPING? FIVE AND SIX SOUNDS LIKE FIVE AND SIX.

EVERYTHING ELSE YOU CORRECT? YES, EXACTLY.

FIVE AND SIX.

AND THEN ALL, ALL OTHER, UH, RIGHT, EXACTLY AS PER AS SUBMITTED EXCEPT FOR FIVE AND SIX.

SECOND CONCURS.

FOR SO MANY, UM, UH, WINDOWS IN THE BACK THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, LESS COMMON.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

SORRY ABOUT THE CONFUSION.

CAN THANK YOU.

CAN I, CAN I PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE STIPULATION THREE? I THINK WITH THE ONE OVER ONE WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE, IT IS TUCKED BACK, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN CONSISTING ON THE FRONT SINCE WE ARE ALSO ALLOWING

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SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THE AMENDED MOTION? SECOND.

SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE AMENDMENT FOR THE APPLICANT.

HOW, HOW, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT, UH, DOING THAT? HOW IS, HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT, UH, THE OVERALL LOOK IN, IN YOUR CONSTRUCTION? WELL, TRUTHFULLY, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS COME UP.

UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S ACT WE WERE JUST PRESENTED IT WITH ON FRIDAY.

UM, SO WE'RE A LITTLE FRUSTRATED THAT IT JUST CAME UP.

UM, AND EVEN THOUGH THE DESIGN'S BEEN KIND OF LIKE THIS, UM, THIS WAY, BUT WE IDEALLY WE'D LIKE TO NOT HAVE IT BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF TUCKED BACK, BACK THERE AND IT KIND OF RUINS THE LINE OF SIGHT, UM, LOOKING OUT, UM, FROM THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE KITCHEN, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE THAT MOIA WOOD WOULD, UH, LAND IN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THE VIEWS.

SO OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? SURE.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

CAN WE JUST GET, CAN I GET CLARIFICATION ON EXACTLY THE, THE ONE OVER ONE WINDOW? WHAT, WHAT WOULD CHANGE, WHAT SORT OF TWO OPTIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? DO YOU MEAN VERSUS WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSED LOOP OR, RIGHT.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UM, VERSUS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.

STAFF CAN CLARIFY.

UM, SO YOU'LL SEE ON THE FRONT FACADE HERE, UH, PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS A WINDOW CONFIGURATION THAT HAD THE LOOK OF A GLASS CONNECTOR BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THROUGH MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROPOSAL, UM, NOW THERE IS A CLEAR ONE OVER ONE WINDOW ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND A FIXED WINDOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY FIXED WINDOW, UM, ON THE FRONT FACADE.

SO, SO I UNDERSTAND IT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FIXED WINDOW VERSUS A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW, CORRECT? ON THE, ON THE, THE CONNECTOR, YEAH.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THAT WINDOW, UM, INSTEAD OF A FIXED WINDOW, THAT A WINDOW OF HISTORIC, UM, CON PROFILE IS INSTALLED.

OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST A COMMENT.

DESIGN WISE, AND I NEED TO SAY IT OUT LOUD THAT, UM, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A HISTORICAL, UM, HISTORICAL, UH, CONGRUENCY IN THE ONE OVER ONE WINDOW.

UM, I ALSO FEEL LIKE THE, WITH THE APPLICANT MAKING THE GARAGE LOOK LIKE IT'S NOT DETACHED, A A SET WINDOW, UM, ENHANCES THE LOOK OF THE GARAGE BEING DETACHED.

WHAT, WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS OF THAT WINDOW, THAT FIRST FLOOR WINDOW THERE IN THAT CONNECTOR? IS THAT, IS THAT A NARROW WINDOW? WOULD THAT BE A, A WINDOW THAT JUST KIND OF LIFTS UP OR IS IT A, A, A WINDOW THAT OPENS UP, UH, HORIZONTALLY? IT COULD BE A CASEMENT WINDOW WHERE IT DOES OPEN OUT.

UM, RACHEL, COULD YOU PULL UP DRAWING 25? YEAH, I THINK IT'S, THIS SHOWS THE WINDOW FROM THE INSIDE LOOKING OUT.

YEAH, SO IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF A, A SINK, A TYPICAL SINK CABINET LOOKS, LOOKS TO BE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THE ONE OVER ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR? CORRECT.

BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.

AND GO TO SLIDE 24 .

YEAH, PERSONALLY I THINK THE, THE FIXED WINDOW, I MEAN IT COULD BE AN OPERABLE CASEMENT, UM, BUT A, UM, A ONE PANE OF GLASS HELPS THE ADDITION READ AS AN ADDITION RATHER, OR SEPARATE FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

AND I'D BE FINE WITH IT AS A, UH, SINGLE PANE.

I WOULD DRAW THE AMENDMENT.

I LIKE THE DISCUSSION SO I, I'LL WITHDRAW THE AMENDMENT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO NO OTHER DISCUSSION.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.

AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOU AND YOUR CLIENT FOR WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION AND STAFF TO, UH, GET TO THIS SOLUTION.

THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU RACHEL.

AGENDA ITEM 15 HAS

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AGENDA ITEM 16 3 0 9 WEST ASHBY PLACE.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 HDRC CASE 2023 DASH 4 23 3 0 9 WEST ASHBY PLACE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 14 EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH FINAL WINDOWS.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE WOOD WINDOWS WITH IN KIND OF MATERIALS.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WINDOWS THREE BE REPLACED WITH A FULLY WOOD TWO OVER TWO WINDOW TO MATCH THE EXISTING WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL THE FULLY WOOD WIN.

DO YOU WANT ME TO READ ALL THE WINDOW? OKAY.

AND THE APPLICANT, HALEY WOOD WOOLRIDGE IS ONLINE.

HELLO? YES, MS. WILDRIDGE.

SO, UM, IF WE CAN MAYBE JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I THINK THAT THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD BE, UM, WILLING TO PROPOSE THAT WE REPAIR AND AFFIX ALL OF THE SCREENS TO THE HOME AND BE ABLE TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THE SCREENS WOULD BE COVERING THEM.

SO MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION.

UM, I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UH, WE'LL GO FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION.

MR. COMMISSIONER GRU, HAS STAFF BEEN THERE TO UH, INSPECT THE WINDOWS? YES.

AND YOU FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ALL REPAIRABLE? ABSOLUTELY.

THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT REPAIRABLE IS WINDOW NUMBER THREE.

THAT IS COMPLETELY MISSING AND IT IS IN THE CASE FILE .

SO ALSO THE WINDOWS THAT ARE INSIDE, UM, IT'S ON PAGE 16.

SOME OF THEM ARE KIND OF LIKE FALLING OR WINDOWS HAPPEN.

SO MANY OF THEM ARE IN NEED.

I THINK ALL OF THEM ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR.

MANY OF THEM ARE MISSING.

UM, THE STASH CORDS OR THE WEIGHTS, A LOT OF THEM HAVE BROKEN GLASS.

UM, A LOT OF THE WOOD IS ROTTED OR FALLING, SOME OF THE GLASS IS FALLING OUT.

THEY REQUIRE A LOT OF REPAIR.

AND SO I THINK, UM, IN LIEU OF DOING ALL OF THAT, WE COULD REPAIR THE SCREENS THAT WAY THE WINDOWS CAN GO IN.

WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR, BUT I'LL DO A MOTION.

LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR.

COMMISSIONER SANES, UM, AND MS FOR STAFF AND THE HOMEOWNER.

DID YOU GET TO LOOK AT AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANY ASBESTOS RESIDUE FROM SOME OF THE, UH, PUTTY THAT'S BEEN USED OVER THE PAST, UH, 50, 60 YEARS TO, TO REPAIR SOME OF THESE WINDOWS? UH, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES? I, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT.

UM, BUT WE, I SUPPOSE WE COULD.

AND STAFF, DO YOU GUYS FACTOR THAT IN WHEN YOU GO INSPECT WINDOWS? 'CAUSE SOME OF THAT PUTTY THAT'S BEEN, I MEAN IT WAS, IT WAS BANNED IN 1990, THE USE OF WINDOWS SEALANT WITH ASBESTOS IN IT, BUT I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN USED FROM, YOU KNOW, NINETIES, EIGHTIES, SEVENTIES, SIXTIES.

YOU GUYS LOOK AT THAT? THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION.

NO, I DO NOT.

I DO NOT, UM, LOOK AT ASBESTOS.

HOWEVER, WHEN WE DO RECOMMEND REPAIR, THAT'S UP TO SOMEONE WHO'S COMING IN TO GET A REMEDY FOR THAT SOLUTION.

SO THAT'S NOT WITHIN MY PURVIEW.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WELL, AND I'LL ADD IT, I MEAN, IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL SOMETIMES IF THERE WAS A PATCH OR, OR SEALANT THAT WAS USED THAT WAS PAINTED OVER, THEN WE CAN'T ALWAYS DO THAT SORT OF ASSESSMENT.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TESTED.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

YES, COMMISSIONER GIBBS.

MONEY ON THAT, OF COURSE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT OR A LOT MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT.

UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

SO MA'AM, YOU ARE, YOU'RE PROPOSING PLACING THE SCREENS OVER AND NOT, UM, NOT ACTUALLY REPAIRING THE WINDOWS.

UM, MAY I ASK WHY HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THE COST OF THIS AND YOU'RE OPPOSED TO THAT OR YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A, A QUICK AND EASY SOLUTION TO TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS? UM, YES.

SO I'M NOT THE HOMEOWNER, I'M ACTUALLY REPRESENTING THE HOMEOWNER, BUT THEY ARE DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO THE COST OF REPAIRING THE WINDOWS.

UM, I THINK THEY'VE DONE SOME, THEY'VE DONE SOME RESTORATION WORK ON OTHER OLD HOMES.

UM, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST ONE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO I THINK THIS WAS KIND OF A SURPRISE FOR THEM.

UM, SO THEY WOULD RATHER NOT SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON THAT.

UM, HOWEVER, I THINK THE, I, IN ADDITION TO THE

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UM, SO THEY'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS, REPAIR THE SCREENS, PUT THOSE ON AND MAINTAIN THE, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOME, BUT STILL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE SOME BETTER ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

OKAY, THANK YOU THEN.

SO DID THEY ANSWER MY NEXT QUESTION? I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT THEY KNOW THERE WAS A HISTORIC HOME AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WOOD WINDOWS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAINTAIN.

SO YOU DO UNDERSTAND, UM, YOUR, YOUR CLIENTS DO UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

YES, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GR I'LL DO A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT OF WINDOW NUMBER THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATION AND THEN I'LL ADD ANOTHER STIPULATION THAT IF ANY ADDITIONAL WINDOWS, UH, NEED REPLACEMENT, UM, THE APPLICANT CAN, I MEAN I GUESS IT WAS REPLACED WITH THE SAME WITH UM, REPLACING KIND WITH THE SAME STIPULATION.

AND WOULD YOU CLARIFY OR CAN STAFF CLARIFY WHAT THEY WOULD REVIEW AS BEING, UH, NON-REPAIRABLE? RIGHT, SO OUR, OUR POLICY THAT'S BEEN ENDORSED BY THIS COMMISSION IS GENERALLY WHERE 50% OR MORE OF THE EXISTING MATERIALS OR WINDOW COMPONENTS ARE BEYOND SALVAGE, WHICH MEANS THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED WITH NEW MATERIAL IN ORDER TO BE REPAIRED.

UM, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, BASED ON STAFF'S ASSESSMENT, WE DO BELIEVE THAT MORE THAN 50% OF THE EXISTING MATERIAL IS SALVAGEABLE.

AND SO WE DO NOT FIND THAT REPAIR IS WARRANTED, OR EXCUSE ME, WE DO NOT FIND THAT REPLACEMENT IS WARRANTED.

UM, AND SO, BUT IF THAT WERE WERE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION, THEN IT WOULD GIVE THE APPLICANT THE ABILITY TO DEMONSTRATE FURTHER TO STAFF SHOULD A WINDOW BE CONSIDERED BEYOND REPAIR.

AND THEN, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE TOO MUCH OF THE OUTCOME BECAUSE IN THOSE INSTANCES REPLACEMENT WITH A NEW WOOD WINDOW THAT MATCHES THE CONFIGURATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO THAT'S TYPICALLY APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

EXACTLY.

SO DO I NEED TO REPEAT ALL THAT ? WELL, LET'S JUST SAY THAT, UM, IN THE SECOND STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT CAN, YOU KNOW, COME BACK, IF IT FINDS THAT MORE THAN 50% OF THE MATERIALS FOR THE WINDOWS ARE UNREPAIRABLE, THEN UM, IT CAN BE REPLACED WITH A WOOD OVER WOOD WINDOW WITH A IN-KIND WINDOW WITH A STAFF STIPULATION.

YEAH, WITH DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED TO STAFF WITH DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED STAFF.

I'LL SECOND MOTION IS SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIKE, UM, I THINK WE'VE, IT'S A LOT OF WINDOWS AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE, UM, FIRST FULL TOTAL REPLACEMENT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE USUALLY JUST APPROVE LIKE THIS.

IT DOES SEEM FROM THE PICTURES THAT MANY OF THEM ARE, UH, REPLACE, I MEAN REPAIRABLE SOME OF THEM, YES, THEY DO LOOK LIKE THEY MIGHT NOT BE.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK IF SHE FINDS US.

SOME OF THESE WINDOWS ARE NOT REPAIRABLE, BUT I MEAN, JUST BASED ON THAT AND IF THE APPLICANT WANTS US TO GO FOR SIDEWAYS, WE CAN ALWAYS DO THAT.

BUT FOR NOW IT'S, YEAH, A WHOLE, A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT, IT'S APPARENTLY NOT SOMETHING WE, I FEEL LIKE WE CAN APPROVE HERE.

NOW, NOT EVEN WITH THE SCREENS, LIKE THE ORIGINAL SCREENS FOR THE HOME.

I MEAN, SCREENS IS ANOTHER CASE OF THEY THINK THEY, YOU CANNOT JUST REMOVE SCREENS EITHER.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE APPLICATION TOO FOR THE SCREENS TO REMAIN, BUT THE SCREENS ARE NOT.

UM, I, I'M, WE'RE MORE LOOKING AT YOU'RE REPLACING SOMETHING THAT'S THERE HISTORICALLY THAT IS REPAIRABLE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE GUIDELINES LINE.

I THINK THE SCREENS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S SUBJECT TO MATTER RIGHT NOW.

IT'S FIRST TO WINDOWS AND THEN IF YOU DO FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CANNOT REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING IN KIND, THEN MAYBE A SCREEN OPTION CAN BE DISCUSSED.

BUT AS OF NOW, I THINK WE, OUR FOCUS OF PROBABLY SHOULD BE ON THE WINDOWS.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES.

AND UM, RESTORATION OF WOOD WINDOWS, UM, FI, FIXING ALL THE OPEN JOINTS, UH, POSSIBLY PUTTING IN SOME, UH, STRIP WEATHER STRIPPING, UM, FIXING THE GLAZING AND BROKEN GLASS WILL GREATLY IMPROVE THE, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF THEM AS WELL.

UM, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

CAN YOU SHOW ON THE, UM, DISPLAY WINDOW NUMBER THREE SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR A POSSIBLE REPLACEMENT? OKAY.

IT'S THIS ONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE? YEAH.

YEAH.

IT'S THIS ONE.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS THAT, UM, SASH FRAME COULD BE FINE.

UH, THE FRAME

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LOOKS OKAY.

I THINK THE PHOTOS IN HERE SHOW WINDOWS THAT ARE IN RELATIVELY GOOD SHAPE CONSIDERING THE AGE OF THE BUILDING.

UM, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS REPAIRS ARE GOING ON THROUGH THE REMAINING WINDOWS.

NOT EVERY WINDOW HAS TO BE OPERABLE.

UM, YOU CAN REDUCE THE EFFORT OF REP OF REPAIR BY CHOOSING ONE OR TWO WINDOWS IN A ROOM TO BE OPERABLE AND THE REST DON'T NEED THE FULL RESTORATION OF, UM, PULLEYS AND ROPES, ET CETERA.

UM, THANK YOU.

SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.

AGENDA ITEM 17 37 0 8 ROOSEVELT AVENUE.

SO WE WERE EXPECTING AN IN-PERSON ADVOCATE FOR THIS ONE.

UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF GENTLEMEN HERE VIRTUALLY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE REPRESENT THE CASE.

UM, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOU PANELISTS AND YOU CAN TELL US IF YOU DO.

UM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, BRIAN WILL READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 0 5 37 0 8 ROOSEVELT AVENUE.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A 40 FEET, A 40 SQUARE FEET SIGN ON THE STRUCTURE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT USE MORE DURABLE MATERIALS FOR THE SIGN AS NOTED IN FINDING C RATHER THAN THE PROPOSED POLYCARBONATE PHASE WITH FINAL TWO THAT THE APPLICANT USE EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION FOR THE SIGN AS NOTED IN FINDING D THREE THAT THE APPLICANT USE A DARK BACKGROUND WITH LIGHT LETTERING AS NOTED IN FINDING E.

UM, AND THERE ARE NO LETTERS AND NO VOICEMAILS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW.

SO COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD SIGNAGE REQUEST.

UM, BRIAN CAN SHOW THE EXHIBITS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED OR IF YOU WANT TO POSTPONE UNTIL THE APPLICANT CAN BE HERE.

THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION.

WE DID TRY TO CALL AN EMAIL, UM, AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO REACH THEM.

DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE.

UM, HDRC.

SECOND MOTION IS SECOND.

HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

GIPPS.

SORRY, UH, COMMENTS.

IS IT, IS IT TYPICAL TO IF, IF THE APPLICANT ISN'T HERE TO CONTINUE THEIR CASE, IT'S OKAY.

COURTESY? YES, IT'S A COURTESY SO THAT THEY CAN PRESENT THEIR CASE AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.

WE ARE ADJOURNED IN RECORD TIME.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY COURT AND HAPPY.