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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW
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COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 15TH, 2023.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS CASTILLO SENO VELASQUEZ.
HEY, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARD REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING.
IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE THE ANNOUNCEMENT.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRS MONICA SAVINO.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU'RE THE OWNER OF A REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE FOR AN WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, FIRST WE WANT TO EXTEND A WARM WELCOME TO MR. DREW GALLOWAY.
UM, HE'S OUR NEW COMMISSIONER JOINING US FROM DISTRICT FOUR.
UH, HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO HAVE YOU WELCOME.
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UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, WE JUST NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 1ST, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND OH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
OKAY.UM, NEXT WE HAVE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN WE HAVE 10.
UM, WE, AND THEN ACTUALLY JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING GENERAL ITEMS. UM, SO WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS THAT, UH, WERE SET TO BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY TODAY THAT HAVE BEEN POSTPONED FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
SO THOSE ARE ITEMS 12, UH, ONE 14 DEBERRY ITEMS 14 1 0 7 MADISON, ITEM 18 5 18 EAST PARK.
THOSE WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
UM, SO IF YOU LEFT COMMENTS, UM, THOSE WILL NOT BE PLAYED AS THE CASES WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED.
UM, SO LET'S GO TO ITEMS ON CONSENT.
WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM FOUR.
MY NAME IS LISA LIND, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 3 4 9 12 31 SOUTH ALMO STREET.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE OHP STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS.
THIS PROPERTY IS SIGNIFICANT IN A PROMINENT LOCATION AND AS HIGHLY VISIBLE AS ONE ENTERS KING WILLIAM
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TRAVELING EAST ON SOUTH ALAMO STREET.ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT ADDRESSED SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS, THERE IS STILL CONCERN THAT THE DESIGN IS LACKING AND THE DRAWINGS DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO ADEQUATELY EVALUATE THE PROJECT.
WE RECOMMEND THAT APPROVAL BE WITHHELD UNTIL THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING.
ONE, A LANDSCAPE PLAN INDICATING PROPOSED AND EXISTING PAVING AND PLANT MATERIALS.
TWO FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR PLAN SHOWING THE ADDITION AND EXISTING STRUCTURE WITH DIMENSIONS.
ROOF PLANS SHOWING PROPOSED AND EXISTING STRUCTURES.
ELEVATION DRAWINGS WITHOUT TREES AND SHRUBS B ACCURATELY SHOW TWO EXISTING WINDOWS THAT ARE MISSING ON THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION.
SIMPLIFY THE ADDITION AND ROOF FORM AT THE SECOND FLOOR RIGHT ELEVATION.
THIS BUILDING FORM IS NOT FOUND IN THE KING WILLIAM DISTRICT AND IS INAPPROPRIATE.
ELIMINATE THE DOMINEERING NEW LOWER GABLE ROOF PROPOSED OVER THE EXISTING ONE STORY WING ON THE LEFT SIDE.
GUNTHER STREET SIDE ELEVATION.
A LOW SLOPE ROOF CRICKET THAT IS NOT VISIBLE YET PROMOTES DRAINAGE IS MORE APPROPRIATE.
INSTALL ONE OR MORE WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION TO AVOID A LARGE WALL WITHOUT OPENINGS.
AND B, ON THE FRONT ELEVATION IDENTIFIED RECTANGLE SHOWN NEAR THE THREE WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
WE ARE SURPRISED THAT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL SUBMITTED OR LACK THEREOF HAS WARRANTED THIS PROJECT TO BE PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DEVELOPERS AND PARTICULARLY THOSE WITH NO EXPERIENCE WORKING IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT ALL THE INFORMATION REQUIRED FOR THE REVIEWERS TO MAKE AN INFORMED EVALUATION AND RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT'S ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WE HAVE FOR CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIR TO MAKE A MOTION? YES, SIR.
UH, TO, UM, ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS PER ITEM 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 10.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND AND A SECOND.
MAY YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VELAZQUEZ AYE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1302 HICKS, 10 10 SOUTH FLORES, 1 22 WEST AGARITA, 1231 SOUTH ALAMOS, 6 34 MUNCIE 3 24 ADAMS TWO 19 LAVACCA TWO 10 WIX 1 0 2 HERMINE AND 9 0 1 RIGSBY.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF, YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER.
WE'LL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 92 8 75 EAST ASHBY.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO APPROVAL OF A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A TOTAL OF 10 SIGNS FOR AN APPROXIMATE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 578 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN BASED ON BINDINGS A THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A MONUMENT SIGN I IN LIEU OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WALL-MOUNTED SIGNAGE F AND G ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING C, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT AN UPDATED MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS UPDATED SIGNAGE SPECIFICATIONS FEATURING ONLY INDIRECT OR BACK LIT ILLUMINATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ACOA BASED ON FINDING D AND THREE, THAT THE SIGNAGE WILL NOT EXCEED MORE THAN THREE SIGNS PER TENANT BASED ON FINDING C AND D AND THE APPLICANT.
ASHLEY FAIRMONT IS WITH US IN PERSON.
ASHLEY FAIRMONT KILLING GRIFFIN IN FAIRMONT 1 0 1 0 1 REUNION PLACE.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF OF QUESTIONS AND, AND CONCERNS, I GUESS, REQUESTS ON, UH, THE SIGNAGE PLAN.
SO I, I WAS HERE MAYBE A FEW MONTHS AGO, UM, REQUESTING THE ON BUILDING SIGNAGE FOR THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND UM, AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY YOU ALL WITH SOME
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CHANGES I GUESS TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IN TERMS OF SIZE AND LOCATION OF THOSE SIGNS.UM, AM I DOING THAT
UM, AND, AND THOSE SIGNS HAVE, HAVE RECENTLY BEEN INSTALLED, BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR THE ADDITIONAL MONUMENT SIGN.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL CONDITION OF STAFF WAS THAT WE DO A MONUMENT SIGN INSTEAD OF THE ON BUILDING SIGNAGE.
UM, BUT FOR A FEW DIFFERENT REASONS WE'RE NOW COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR A SMALLER MONUMENT SIGN, UM, TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO, UH, THE CREAMERY BUILDING IS WHAT'S SHOWN AS 8 75 EAST ASHBY PLACE.
UM, IT COMBINATION OF THE, THE MAIN TENANTS IN THE BUILDING ARE TWO LAW FIRMS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED FOR THE ON BUILDING SIGNAGE FOR.
AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER COMMERCIAL RETAIL TENANTS, UM, THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING AS WELL.
UH, THE LAW FIRMS ARE IN THE BUILDING AS OF NOW, UM, OCCUPYING THE SPACE.
UH, SO HERE IS PART OF THE SIGN MASTER PLAN, UM, THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH YOUR PACKETS AND THE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR REALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED IS I ON THERE, WHICH IS A SMALL MONUMENT SIGN ON THE FRONT AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
UH, AND THESE WERE THE TWO ON BUILDING SIGNS.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE, UH, THIS I TOOK ACTUALLY TODAY, UH, THOSE SIGNS ARE THERE NOW.
UM, AND THIS IS DRIVING NORTH TOWARDS THE BUILDING AND, AND YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNS, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE A REALLY GOOD INDICATION OF WHERE TO GO, UH, THE NEXT ONE.
AND THIS IS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE NOW.
SO THE MONUMENT SIGN, UNFORTUNATELY IT WOULD BE RIGHT BEHIND THAT WHITE TRUCK.
UM, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE WHERE IT WOULD GO, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING IT TO BE FOR A A FEW REASONS.
SO THIS DOOR TO THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY NOT ACCESSIBLE.
SO, UM, ACCESS TO THE BUILDING IS ALL FROM THE NORTHERN SIDE FROM THE BACK.
SO THERE IS SOME PARKING THERE, BUT A LOT OF THAT IS EMPLOYEE PARKING AS WELL AS OTHER, UH, TENANT SPACES.
SO THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THE MONUMENT SIGNS AS, UM, IDENTIFICATION FOR THE BUILDING, BUT ALSO DIRECTIONAL IN TERMS OF WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD GO, UH, FOR THE OFFICE.
AND SO, UM, OH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE POINTER? NO.
UM, SO AGAIN, HERE'S THE BUILDING AND THAT TRIANGLE WITH THE TREE THAT IS, THERE'S PARKING ALL AROUND THERE.
ULTIMATELY THERE'S SOME NOW AND THEN THERE WILL BE MORE.
UM, AND SO PEOPLE WOULD PARK THERE AND THEN I'LL WALK ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
UH, AND THIS IS WHAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE MONUMENT SIGN.
THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN I THINK WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PACKET.
WE HAVE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE SIGN.
UH, SO WHAT WAS SHOWN I THINK WAS OVER FIVE FEET TALL, MAYBE ALMOST SIX FEET TALL.
UH, THIS SIGN IS ONLY FOUR FEET TALL.
UH, WE'VE ALSO REDUCED THE WIDTH, UH, FROM 11, 12 FEET TO EIGHT FEET.
SO TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AND IF YOU CAN SEE ON, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE, I APOLOGIZE.
BUT ON THE BOTTOM PICTURE YOU CAN SEE RENDERED HOW THE MONUMENT SIGN WOULD LOOK IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT, IT'S PRETTY SMALL IN COMPARISON TO HOW THE BUILDING IS.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
AND, AND SO I ALSO DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, THE BUILDING SITS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO A CONCERN INITIALLY WITH THE MONUMENT SIGN WAS IT, IT DOES GO ON CITY RIGHT OF WAY IN CITY PROPERTY.
SO WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THAT SIGN, BUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME IT IS, WE DO NEED TO GET, UH, CITY PUBLIC WORKS APPROVAL THAT IT BE IN CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, THAT IS IN PROCESS FOR AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT.
UM, BUT JUST SO YOU ALL ARE AWARE, THAT HAS NOT FORMALLY BEEN APPROVED YET.
UM, OH, AND THEN THIS AGAIN IS JUST THE, THE OLD BOARD AND BUILDING.
SO THE, THE SIGNAGE THAT'S NOT SEEN ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WILL BE IDENTIFICATION OF THE, THE CREAMERY THAT WOULD GO IN THE CENTER ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, UH, JUST GENERALLY.
AND THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OTHER STAFF STIPULATION.
UM, THE SECOND ONE ON THE, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE, HOW THE SIGNS WILL BE LIT ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING, CORRECT.
SO, OH, STAFF'S, UH, STIPULATION TWO IS THAT ALL SIGNAGE SHOULD BE INDIRECTLY ILLUMINATED.
UM, AND SO THERE WAS ONE SIGN, SIGN B THAT IS PROPOSED AS AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN.
UM, CAN WE SEE OUR SIGN B? AND SO THAT IS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION RIGHT HERE.
BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK ALL THE SIGNS ARE INSTALLED ON THE NORTH, ON THE NORTHERN SIDE, BUT MAYBE NOT THAT ONE.
SO THAT ONE IS NOT YET, SORRY.
THERE'S PREVIOUS APPROVAL FOR SIGNS D AND E ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
AND SO B AND C ARE NEW PACKAGING.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, I, I HAVE UH, UM, DRIVEN BY AND SEEN THE SIGNAGE THAT YOU SEE FROM 2 81 AND IT AND YES IS ALL VERY ELEGANT, UM, AND VERY TO THE POINT.
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UM, AND, AND I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION IS IS PRETTY, PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.UH, THE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE SIGN AND LOOKING AT THE BUILDING DID, DID, DID YOU ALL SET HIS CRITERIA OR DID THE, THIS THE SIGN DESIGNER, UH, UH, COMMUNICATE TO YOU IN ANY WAY? OR DID Y'ALL COMMUNICATE TO THE SIGN PERSON ANY, UH, CRITERIA FOR THE SIGN TO BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A BALANCED SIGN? BUT IT SEEMS THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 40 FIVES THAT ARE CUT IN THE CORNERS, THE CHAING AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING FOR SOMETHING THAT DOES THAT, IT SEEMS TO BE, UH, REASONABLE IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ON THE STREET LEVEL MM-HMM
BUT THE, THE SIGN DOES SEEM A LITTLE SEPARATE FROM THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING.
WAS THERE, IS THERE AN EFFORT OR CAN THERE BE AN EFFORT FOR THEM TO, TO INCLUDE MORE ART DECO ISH ON THE MONUMENT SIGNS UTILITY MONUMENT SIGN? SUPPOSED TO IT BEING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE SIMPLE, LET ME ASK THE SIGN COMPANY.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE COULD WORK ON THE DETAILS OF THAT MONUMENT SIGN.
I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT IT, IT HAS A NAME AND IT SHOWS A DIRECTION.
SO IF IT NEEDS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT AESTHETIC, I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD WORK ON.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
SO IT'S WHAT WE'RE PROVING TODAY IN NEW SIGNAGES.
'CAUSE YOU WERE FOCUSED ON THE, ON THE MONUMENTAL, BUT WE'RE ALSO PROVING B AND C OR EVERYTHING, BUT F AND G, SO IT'S A SIGNAGE MASTER PLAN, SO IT'S ALL OF THE SIGNS.
UM, PLUS F AND G WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT, RIGHT? AND D AND EI THINK D, D, F AND G HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WELL, MR. CHADWICK YES.
TO TRY TO CRAFT A MOTION? I, I'M IN INCLINED TO, UM, MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, ALL OF THE, UH, THE, THE ITEMS, UM, BUT HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT OR, OR, LET ME SEE, LEMME SEE.
MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THAT THIS, THAT THE MONUMENT SIGN, UH, AS, AS PROPOSED DIMENSIONALLY, UM, UM, ADDRESSES THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING, UM, OF COURSE THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK OR THEY'D HAVE TO WORK WITH STAFF.
I'LL SECOND IT, BUT CAN I ALSO ADD STIPULATION TWO SINCE THE APPLICANT AGREES TO THAT? TWO AND THREE PERHAPS.
UH, AND UM, INCLUDING STIPULATION TWO AND THREE, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION, I DO WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR LOOKING AT THE, THE SIGNAGE AND I HAD SENT THROUGH SOME QUESTIONS PRIOR AND THANK YOU FOR REDUCING THE SIZE OF THAT MONUMENT SIGN.
I THINK IT'S, UH, MORE IN KEEPING WITH, WITH THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VELAZQUEZ? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM 12 HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
SO AGENDA ITEM 13 5 0 1 FUR DRIVE ITEM 13 ON THE HDRC AGENDA, UH, CASE NUMBER 20 23 4 12 5 0 1 FOR DRIVE.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH THE DETACHED GARAGE.
TWO, CONSTRUCT A 610 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED GARAGE.
THREE, CONSTRUCT A REAR APPROXIMATELY 60 SQUARE FOOT.
REAR ADDITION CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 250 SQUARE FOOT COVERED PORCH.
REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL BACKYARD FENCE WITH A METAL AND CAST STONE FENCE WITH STONE CLA POSTS.
CONSTRUCT A CONCRETE FRONT PORCH WITH STONE PIERS AND WOOD RAILINGS.
REPLACE THE EXISTING SINGLE 15 LIGHT DOOR WITH FRENCH DOORS.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE REQUEST TO DEMOLISH THE DETACHED GARAGE BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH H.
SHOULD THE HDRC FIND DEMOLITION OF THE DETACHED GARAGE APPROPRIATE, THE APPLICANT MUST COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE AND SELECT A CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR TO COMPLETE DECONSTRUCTION FORM SUBMISSION AND PERMITTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH UDC CHAPTER 12.
AS NOTED IN FINDING H REGARDING ITEM TWO, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED GARAGE.
SHOULD THE HTRC FIND DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING GARAGE APPROPRIATE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ONLY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BE
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GRANTED AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDINGS I THROUGH K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS COMPLETE MATERIALS INFORMATION INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE GARAGE DOOR AND PEDESTRIAN DOORS.TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE AS NOTED IN FINDING H THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY'S ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
A DEMOLITION PERMIT WILL NOT BE APPROVED UNTIL REPLACEMENT PLANS ARE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE HDRC VIA APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND CONSTRUCTION PERMITS ARE PULLED FOR THIS SCOPE OF WORK, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, REAR ADDITION AND REAR COVERED PORCH BASED ON FINDINGS L AND M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SLIDING DOOR PRODUCT AND KEEPING WITH THE MATERIAL STYLE AND PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOMELY, NAMELY ONE MADE OF WOOD AND WITHOUT FALSE MOUNTAINS OR SIDELIGHTS TWO, THAT THE WINDOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE NORTH ELEVATION IS RETAINED IN PLACE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING METAL BACKYARD FENCE WITH A METAL AND CAST STONE FENCE WITH STONE CLA POSTS BASED ON FINDING N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.
ONE THAT THE CASTSTONE FOOTER FEATURES A SMOOTH PLASTER FINISH.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX AND SEVEN BASED ON FINDINGS O AND P.
UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, CHARLES TODD HILTON VIA WEBEX.
SORRY MR. HILTON, I DIDN'T SEE YOU AT FIRST AND WE ALSO HAVE A VOICEMAIL.
CHARLES, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT THE CASE, YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF INTO THE RECORD.
HELLO? UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GO THROUGH EACH ITEM REAL QUICK.
UM, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? I'M SORRY.
SURE, THIS IS, UH, I'M CHARLES HELTON.
I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE DEMOLITION OF THE DETACHED GARAGE.
UH, WE WISH TO GET AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE BASED ON THE LETTER FROM THE ENGINEER REGARDING THE EXISTING GARAGE.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL SALVAGE WHAT WE CAN FOR REUSE ON THE NEW GARAGE.
IF YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE THE LETTER FROM THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER YET, WE WILL DEFINITELY GET IT TO YOU.
UM, JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ALREADY RECEIVED THAT OR NOT, BUT, UM, I DON'T, NUMBER TWO CONSTRUCT A 610 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED GARAGE.
UM, UM, IT'S BEEN APPROVED WITH, WITH SOME STIPULATIONS.
UM, I WAS JUST ASKING TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THE ADDITIONAL 108 SQUARE FEET, THE ADDITIONAL 9%.
UM, SO WE COULD PUT A POOL BATH AND A STORAGE ON THE BACK OF THE, OF THE NEW GARAGE.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL OF COURSE, UM, PROVIDE THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE NEW GARAGE DOOR.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THE GARAGE DOOR, THE SIMILAR STYLE DESIGN MATERIALS TO THE EXISTING GARAGE DOORS, SO THAT, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL.
UM, NUMBER THREE, CONSTRUCT A 60 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION.
I KNOW WE WERE APPROVED FOR THAT, UM, FOR THE STIPULATIONS.
SO WE WILL BE USING A SLIDING DOOR TO CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES FOR SURE, AS WELL AS WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SAVE THOSE BRACKETS AND BRACES, UM, FOR REUSE ON THE NEW GARAGE, ON THE BACK OF THE NEW GARAGE AS WELL.
AND THEN ONE ISSUE, UM, THAT WINDOW ON THE BACK THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE ELEVATION THAT'S STILL ON THE FLOOR PLAN WAS A MISTAKE ON OUR END BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THERE.
UM, SO THAT OF COURSE WILL BE SHOWN WHEN THE PLANS ARE ARE COMPLETED.
NUMBER FOUR, CONSTRUCTED 250 SQUARE FOOT REAR COVERED PORCH, SO THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, NUMBER FIVE, REPLACE THE BACKYARD FENCE.
WE CAN, WE CAN DO A STUCCO, UM, FOOTER AROUND THAT AS OPPOSED TO A, UM, A CASTSTONE THAT'S FINE WITH US.
UM, I HAVE NUMBER SIX, CONSTRUCT A CONCRETE FRONT PORCH.
THIS IS THE ONE I'M, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT.
SO LIKE I UNDERSTAND, UM, NOT WANTING TO GIVE APPROVAL FOR THE, THE ONE WE DID SUBMIT WITH THE, THE STONE COLUMNS AND THE, AND THE, UM, THERE YOU GO.
I'M SORRY, I'LL SLOW DOWN FOR YOU.
UM, THE STONE COLUMNS AND THE, AND THE ADDITIONAL, UM, RAILINGS AND WHATNOT.
WHAT I WAS WANTING TO KNOW IS IF WE DID ONE, CAN WE DO ONE LIKE THE, LIKE THE EXISTING BACK PATIO? UM, IT, IT IS A, IT'S A, I'M SORRY, I'LL HOLD, I'LL SLOW DOWN FOR YOU.
THE EXISTING, YEAH, LIKE THAT.
DO ONE LIKE THAT IN THE FRONT WITH NO COLUMNS OR HANDRAILS AND THEN JUST COVER IT WITH A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A HISTORIC, HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE NON-SLIP TILE.
THAT'S, UM, THE HOMEOWNER WOULD LIKE TO GO THAT ROUTE IF WE, IF WE, IF WE CAN'T DO THE OTHER TYPE OF, UM, A FRONT PORCH THAT SHE WANTED.
AND THEN, UM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THAT, THAT UPPER BALCONY DOOR, UH, WE'LL JUST, WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE THAT OFF THE PLANS
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AND JUST LEAVE IT AS IS FOR NOW.UM, IF WE DECIDE WE'LL CHANGE THAT, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, BUT I THINK WE'LL TAKE THAT OFF SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WERE TRYING TO REPLACE THOSE WITH A, WITH A PAIR OF VERY SIMILAR FRIDGE STORES, BUT JUST COULDN'T SEEM TO GET IT THROUGH.
BUT THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON MY END.
AND UM, I THINK THE MAIN ISSUE IS THE, UH, THE FRONT PORCH IT SEEMS. BUT THAT, THAT'S ALL FROM ME.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL.
AGENDA ITEM 13, CASE NUMBER 20 23 4 12.
MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEES ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MPNA AND THE NINE MEMBER MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME.
AND NOTE THIS IS A DUPLEX BEING CONVERTED TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM ONE, DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE.
ITEM TWO, WE SUPPORT FINAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE.
IF STAFF'S STIPULATIONS I THROUGH TRIPLE I ARE MET.
ITEM THREE AND FOUR, REAR EDITION AND REAR COVERED PORCH EDITION.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IF STIPULATIONS I AND I I ARE MET.
WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR SUBMITTING THE ADDITIONAL DETAILED DRAWINGS.
HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED DOUBLE DOORS AND SIDELIGHTS ARE AN INCONSISTENT FENESTRATION PATTERN FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE ASK FOR CONSIDERATION OF DOUBLE WOODEN DOORS WITH DIVIDED ONLY AND FOR THE EXISTING REAR WINDOW OPENING TO BE RETAINED.
I ITEM FIVE, WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR CHANGE IN DESIGN AND SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE FENCE WITH THE INCLUSION OF THEIR STIPULATION.
TO ADDRESS THE FINISH ON THE STUCCO ITEM SIX AND SEVEN, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL, THE INTRODUCTION OF A CONCRETE FRONT PORCH WITH BALUT STRAIN AND ALTER ALTERING THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE FRONT ELEVATION OF A HOME, DIRECTLY CONTRADICT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT'S FUNDAMENTAL GUIDELINES AND SEEK TO ALTER A HOME TO ANOTHER TIME AND ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WHICH IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER GROUP.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR STAFF, UM, WITH THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, A VISUAL.
IT SAYS IN THE COMMENTS THAT YOU DIDN'T GET TO DO A, A SITE VISIT FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE.
AND, AND I DON'T SEE THE ENGINEER LETTER CORRECT? SAY THAT AGAIN? THERE'S NO ENGINEER LETTER.
AND IS THERE ANY PICTURES OF THE INSIDE? I WAS ONLY GIVEN PHOTOS OF THE EXTERIOR.
SO, UM, MR. HOLDEN IS, UM, THE ENGINEERS BASED ON LIKE, IS THERE NO FOUNDATION IN, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE INSIDE? BECAUSE I MEAN, FROM THE EXTERIOR IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF WOOD ROD IN THE BOTTOMS, BUT, UM, NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
THE PICTURES DON'T VISUALIZE ENOUGH FOR ME TO SAY THAT THIS IS UNUSUAL.
OH, WERE YOU ASKING ME? YES, SIR.
YEAH, ON THE, UM, AND I'LL SEND THIS TO YOU THAT YOU GUYS CAN REVIEW THE ENGINEER'S LETTER.
UM, HE WENT IN AND HAS ALL THIS NOTED.
HE TOOK PICTURES OF THE INTERIOR AS WELL AND NOTED OUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS. BUT I WILL, UH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND IT OVER.
I THOUGHT THE HOMEOWNER ALREADY DID, BUT I'M GATHERING SHE DID NOT.
SO, AND I GUESS, AND A QUESTION FOR STAFF, IF WE DO APPROVE DEMOLITION, WE WOULDN'T APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT PLANS ANYWAY TODAY BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO HGRC WITH THE STIPULATIONS, CORRECT? THAT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU ALL RULE.
YOU COULD, UM, ASK 'CAUSE ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS WOULD REQUIRE HGRC APPROVAL.
UH, ONE MOMENT IS JESSICA'S ANSWER
I MEAN IT SAYS A DEMOLITION PERMANENT UNTIL REPLACEMENT REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY HDRC.
SO WE COULD DO A CONCEPTUAL OKAY, YES, THAT'S TRUE.
IF THEY, IF WE DID CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TODAY, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND THEN THE DEMOLITION PERMIT WOULDN'T BE RELEASED UNTIL THEY HAD, UH, APPROVED CONSTRUCTION OF DOCUMENTS.
I HAD PULLED THE PERMIT FOR THEM AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION.
UH, SIR, LOOKING AT THE, AT THE GARAGE, UH, FROM, FROM JUST A VISUAL INSPECTION THAT I CAN MAKE FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHS, IT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL, UM, UM, ITEM IS THE SHAPE,
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UM, FROM YOUR INSPECTION.UM, IS IT, IS IT CORRECT TO, IS THE ASSUMPTION CORRECT THAT ALL OF THE MATERIALS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ALTERED FROM THEIR HISTORIC CONTEXT? THE SIDING THERE WERE ROOF, THE FACIA BOARD, IT, IT, NONE OF THOSE FROM THE PICTURE APPEARED TO BE DATED? I I, IS THAT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION? UM, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, IT, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE OF THAT 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT NONE OF THAT, UM, THAT LITTLE DETACHED GARAGE, NONE OF THAT MATCHES THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE NEW HOME.
UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT KIND OF SHINGLES, DIFFERENT TYPE OF FACE, DIFFERENT KIND OF SIDING.
UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHEN, WHEN OR IF IT WAS REPLACED.
THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I JUST DON'T KNOW.
UM, THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST, COULD YOU EXPAND ON THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST OF THE, UH, PORCH ON THE FRONT? THE REASON FOR ADDING A FRONT PORCH? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YES.
THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A HOMEOWNER'S WISH, UM, AS SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PLACE TO SIT OUT FRONT VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH IS THE, UM, I GUESS IT'S A LITTLE CON I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING OVER MY COMPUTER.
THE LITTLE CONCRETE STOOP THAT HAS SOME PROBLEMS WITH IT, BUT SHE WOULD LIKE A, JUST A FLAT CONCRETE PORCH OUT FRONT TO SIT OUTSIDE.
UH, RIGHT NOW YOU JUST, YOU STEP OUT INTO THESE STEPS AND THEN YOU'RE DOWN INTO THE, ON THE WALK PATH OF THE YARD INSTANTLY WITH NO AREA TO, TO SIT OUT ON.
AND THEN YOU'RE WRAPPING IT AROUND THE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO UH, CONNECT IT TO THE, THE LITTLE PORCH ON THE RIGHT SIDE? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT LITTLE, UM, YEAH, SEE YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE CLOSER TO IT.
UM, ON THE FLOOR PLAN IT PROBABLY SHOWS IT BETTER, BUT, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE CONCRETE AREA THAT COMES OFF OF THAT SIDE PORCH AND GOES TOWARDS THE FRONT.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT A ZOOMED IN PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE WELL THAT THAT PORTION OF CONCRETE, UM, HAS DETACHED AND IT'S KIND OF FLOATING OFF ON ITS OWN.
SO WE WERE GONNA REMOVE THAT AND THEN JUST HAVE THIS NEW
YEAH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT THERE.
UM, WOULD RECOMMENDATIONS OF NOT ADDING A FRONT PORCH AND THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMMENTS THAT HAVING A FRONT PORCH IS, UM, SOMEWHAT INCONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UH, MODIFYING THE FRONT STOOP TO HAVE S UH, STEPS OFF TO THE RIGHT AND HAVING MORE LIKE A SIDEWALK AROUND THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT ALREADY EXISTS? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING IS TO DO, UM, TO DO A, A VERY LOW, I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT SIDEWALL, BUT I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COME OUT ONTO THAT STOOP AND THEN YOU KNOW THE STEPS, SEE HOW THE STEPS ARE NOW YOU WOULD COME OUT THERE, THEN IT WOULD STEP DOWN FRONT, WHICH AS WELL AS LEFT TO RIGHT.
AND THEN THE LOWER USE MY FINGERS HERE, THE LOWER PORCH WOULD BE ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THAT, OF THAT EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH YOU SEE OVER ON THE RIGHT WHERE IT IS NOW.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE LOW AND IT WOULD TURN BACK IN THERE.
SO YOU WOULD COME OUT AND YOU STEP, STEP DOWN AND THEN YOU'RE ON THIS VERY LOW, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ABOUT ABOUT SIX INCHES ABOVE GRADE.
UM, LITTLE TINY, IT'S ACTUALLY A PATIO'S DESIGN UNCOVER, SO LIKE A FRONT PATIO.
AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN PUT SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME NICE NON-SLIP APPROPRIATE TILES ON THERE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST BARE CONCRETE, BUT THAT, THAT'S JUST AN EXTRA DETAIL WE CAN WORK OUT.
YEAH, THAT WOULD PUT THE LITTLE, UH, WALKWAY BELOW THOSE, UH, FOUNDATION VENTS, OF COURSE.
OH YEAH, IT WOULD BE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT FOUNDATION VENT, VINCE, SO IT, WHERE THE GRADE IS, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UM, A FOOT ABOUT SIX INCHES OFF THE GROUND.
SO YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, A FOOT ABOUT A FOOT ABOVE THE TOP OF THE NEW, UM, UNCOVERED PATIO TO THE, TO THE BOTTOM
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OF THAT VENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.MR. CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO OTHER, I'LL DO A MOTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE A MOTION PENDING.
UM, I'M GONNA MOVE TO CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED THE DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE.
SO CONCEPTUALLY ITEM ONE AND TWO, UM, WITH, UH, RETURN TO HDRC FOR FINAL
ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, SORRY, GOTTA GO UP AND DOWN OR IF STAFF COULD PUT THIS ON THE SCREEN.
UM, ITEM THREE AND FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ITEM FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND ITEM SIX, UM, CAN WE ALSO SAY CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX, BUT WITH HAVING MR. HOLDEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH FINAL DESIGN OPTIONS FOR EITHER, UM, IT LOOKING LIKE THE BACK OR WITH THE CONCRETE, UM, SIDEWALK.
AND THEN, UM, DENIAL OF ITEM SEVEN AND, AND MR. CHAIR, I'LL, I'LL SECOND IT, BUT PARTICULARLY SO WE GET INTO CONVERSATION.
SO, UM, IT, IT DOES SEEM, UH, AND I WOULD SAY I WOULD EVEN EN ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH PICTURES OF THE INSIDE OF THE GARAGE WITH THE LETTER OF THE ENGINEER.
SO I'M LEAVING THAT POSSIBILITY STILL OPEN.
'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE DIDN'T GET ENOUGH INFORMATION TODAY.
ECONOMIC HARDSHIP IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU STATED TODAY, BUT LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU WERE, YOU WERE, YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, UM, LOOKING AT.
SO I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THAT.
UM, YOU SEEM TO AGREE TO THE STIPULATIONS.
UM, UH, I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IS THE, UH, ADDED ADDITION FOR THE BATH AND THE STORAGE AND I GUESS THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED IN THE FINAL APPROVAL.
AND THEN ITEM THREE AND FOUR, YOU WERE IN AGREEMENT, ITEM FIVE, YOU WERE IN AGREEMENT.
AND THEN ITEM SIX, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FINAL, YOU KNOW, DESIGN AND PLAN BEFORE, UM, FINALIZING.
'CAUSE YOU HAD SAID INITIALLY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LOOKING LIKE THE BACK AND, AND THERE WAS SOME IDEAS THROWN HERE IN THE QUESTIONS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT HAS TO BE, UM, SHOWED BEFORE A FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, WHAT ABOUT ON, UM, ON THE, THE, ON THE GARAGE? IS THERE, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF GETTING THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE OR DO WE JUST NEED TO SQUEEZE IT DOWN TO A TINY GARAGE? I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE STIPULATIONS OR IF YOU COME BACK WITH THE FINAL, AND WE LOOK AT, UM, STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE WITH THE MATERIALS AND, AND REUSE OF A LOT OF THE MATERIALS, IF YOU COULD CONSIDER, UH, REDUCING IT JUST BECAUSE TO MATCH THE SIZE OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE IS USUALLY WHAT WE, WE LOOK AT.
IF YOU DON'T SEE ANY OTHER SOLUTION, WE'LL ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OR YOU CAN FURTHER EXPAND ON THAT.
I'LL, I'LL MENTION THAT TO THE HOMEOWNER AND, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE DO.
SO THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ.
WELL, WELL, MR. CHAIR ON THE, UH, GOING THROUGH THE, THE WAY THAT OUR, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, I'M GONNA FOLLOW THAT THE, UM, THE GARAGE BEING, UM, UH, PLACED FOR A CONCEPTUAL THEN GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
I LOOKING AT THE, AT THE, UH, GARAGE, IT, IT, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S STILL THERE THAT WHAT'S THERE IS THE SHAPE.
UM, BUT OF COURSE IF, IF THERE IS A, A DEMOLITION AND IT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, A REPLICATION, THEN AN AN ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT MAKES IT WORK, I THINK IS, IS IS WISE.
UM, UH, THE, UM, UM, UH, ONE AND TWO, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED SLIDING DOOR, THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT ARE, ARE, ARE INSIDE, FOLLOWING INSIDE THE MOTION FOLLOWING STAFF'S, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK IS, IS, UH, WELL, UH, GOOD, GOOD AS WELL.
BUT WHEN WE COME TO ITEM SIX AND SEVEN SAYS, I'M, I'M KIND OF HOPING THAT THEY DROP OFF, UM, UH, THE, THE ALTERATION TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING IS PRETTY LIBERAL.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S, IT GOES FAR BEYOND WHAT IS, UH, UH, UH, TYPICALLY, UM, EASILY PASSED.
SO I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF COMPROMISE, UM, IN THAT THE DESIGN IS ALSO, UM, UH, SECONDARY TO
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THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND ALL THAT, SO IT'S WELL DONE.BUT WHEN WE COME TO THE FRONT THAT THAT'S A VERY HARD PIECE BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE KIND OF THE POETICS OF, OF THE BUILDING, THE, THE, THE KINDA THE MINIATURE NESS, THE, THE, THE, THE DAINTINESS OF ANYTHING, THE WAY THAT THE, THE BALCONY INTENTIONALLY SITS ABOVE THAT DOOR, THE WAY IT SITS ON THE ARCH, THE DOOR ABOVE THE BALCONY, THIS IS, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT A VERY SIMPLE WAY TO DETAIL, UH, IN DESIGN.
THERE, THERE, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANOTHER WAY TO GAIN THIS POETIC.
SO ONCE IT'S GONE, UM, IT, IT, IT REALLY LEAVES AND IT, AND IT NEVER COMES BACK.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD IMAGINE THAT THOSE, UH, ALUMINUM, UM, SCREENS WEREN'T THERE AND THAT THE, THE SCREENS WERE DONE PROPERLY, AND THEN THAT, THAT THE EFFORT THAT GOES TO ALTER THE FACADE OF THE FRONT IS TAKEN INTO THE SITE AS OPPOSED TO THE BUILDING ITSELF.
I THINK THEY COULD ACHIEVE THE SAME, UM, UM, IN, IN INVITING AND, AND WELCOMING, UH, UH, KIND OF PORCH LIKE ENVIRONMENT WITHOUT ALTERING THIS FRONT.
AND, AND I SAY THAT PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO BALANCING OUT WHAT HAS BEEN PUT ON THE TABLE ALREADY IN TERMS OF ALTERATION TO THIS BUILDING, THAT IT FIND IT VERY HARD TO SEE THAT FRONT AS NOT THE PARTICULAR STREET.
IF THAT'S AN AMENDMENT, I WOULD, UM, AGREE TO AND SUPPORT THAT IS WHAT, OKAY.
CAN I, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? WAIT, LET'S GET THIS MOTION SQUARED AWAY FIRST.
IS THAT AN AMENDED MOTION? YES, I WOULD MAKE AMENDED MOTION THAT SIX AND SEVEN DROP OFF AND THAT IT'S PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN BY DROP OFF THAT IT WOULD JUST BE DENIAL OF SIX AND SEVEN.
YEAH, PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
OKAY, SO IT'S AN AMENDED MOTION, SO WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT FIRST.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE AMENDED MOTION? SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED MOTION? I THINK, UM, MR. VELASQUEZ AGREE, UH, HAS A GOOD POINT AND I WAS GIVING KIND OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS, BUT YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE VERY CORRECT ON THAT.
DOES THE APPLICANT WANNA SAY SOMETHING ON THAT? YEAH, I DO.
UM, I'M NOT, I'M, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THOSE LAST COMMENTS BY THE PREVIOUS PERSON TALKING ABOUT WANTING US TO DROP THIS OFF BECAUSE WE ARE NOT CHANGING THAT ANYTHING EXCEPT REMOVING THAT DAMAGED STOOP THAT COMES OUT OF THE FRONT DOOR, WE'RE NOT ALTERING THE FRONT FACADE AT ALL.
WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING IS ADDING A FLAT UNCOVERED PATIO ON THE FRONT THAT WRAPS AROUND TO THE SIDE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WE, WE'VE DROPPED ALL THE HANDRAILS AND, AND ANY OF THAT STUFF.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A SIX INCH HIGH
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A ROOF OVER IT OR REMOVING THE BALCONY OR, YOU KNOW, DOING ANY OF THAT STUFF.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST A SIMPLE FLAT, CONCRETE PATIO TO COME SIT OUT ON AND THEN THE, THE NEW STEPS THAT STEP DOWN ON IT.
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND EVEN FOR THE FELLOW COMMISSION.
SO, AND AGAIN, MY QUESTION MIGHT BE TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU TALKING JUST THE PERMANENCE OF A PATIO THAT'S, THAT'S CONCERNING WITH THAT? OR, OR WHAT EXACTLY? I MEAN, WOULD PAVERS HELP MITIGATE THAT IN, IN THAT IT GIVES THE, THE APPLICANT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T MAKE A PERMANENT ALTERATION? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S AN OPTION? I I THINK THAT'S GETTING TO IT, THAT, THAT THE, THE PETITE NESS OF THE, OF THE ENTRYWAY OF THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT THERE SEEMS THAT WHAT'S MISSING IS REALLY DETAILING OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE LANDSCAPE OF THE SITE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOTHING BEYOND THE BUILDING ITSELF THAT IS ADDING TO THE PLEASANT EXPERIENCE BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A PERSON BEING ABLE TO GO OUT AND SIT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, RIGHT? BUT THIS IS ALSO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT YOU ENTER INTO THE AREA, THE LITTLE STAIRS, THE, THE RAILING, UM, ALL OF THAT JUST SEEMS TO ME TO BE, UM, PART OF THE DESIGN PICTURE, RIGHT? WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IT IS THAT'S BEING PRESERVED.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE LEAVING OUT THE OPTION FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER OPTION.
I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE DESIGNING SOMETHING HERE AND WE'RE COMING UP WITH SOLUTIONS I DON'T THINK IS THE RIGHT THING.
SO I THINK BY UM, DENYING ITEM SIX AND SEVEN, WE'RE DENYING THE Q AND PROPOSAL, BUT WE'RE NOT DENYING OTHER OPTIONS OR OTHER IDEAS THAT THE APPLICANT COULD COME BACK WITH.
SO I THINK WE'RE LEAVING THAT OPEN ANYWAY WITH THAT.
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OKAY.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION.
SO NOW WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE, NO, THAT'S IT.
SO NOW IT'S UM, A VOTE TO APPROVE AS AMENDED.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VELAZQUEZ? AYE.
AGENDA, AGENDA ITEM 14 WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
AGENDA ITEM 15 37 0 8 ROOSEVELT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 0 5 37 0 8 ROOSEVELT AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A 40 SQUARE FOOT SIGN ON THE STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT USE A MORE DURABLE MATERIAL FOR THE SIGN AS NOTED IN FINDING C RATHER THAN THE PROPOSED POLYCARBONATE FACE WITH VINYL.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT USE EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION FOR THE SIGN AS NOTED IN FINDING D.
AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT USE A DARK BACKGROUND WITH LIGHT LETTERING AS NOTED IN FINDING E THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MARCO BANDA IS HERE IN PERSON.
THERE ARE NO LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THIS CASE? YES SIR.
WOULD THE REPRESENTATIVE COME FORWARD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? MY NAME IS MARCO BANDA AND WE CONCUR WITH THE, UH, COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE'LL DO THE SAME AS AS RECOMMENDED.
I'LL SECOND
SECOND, UM, QUESTION, WOULD THAT INCLUDE SUBMITTING NEW DRAWINGS FOR STAFF FOR REVIEW? I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE REQUIRED TO ATTEND THIS TO OBTAIN THE COA.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? VELASQUEZ? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM 16 8 0 1 LABOR STREET.
AGENDA ITEM 16 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 3 4 8 0 1 LABOR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY 800 SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH K.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE HEIGHT OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING C AND SUBMITS UPDATED DRAWINGS THAT INCLUDE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY FOR CONTEXT TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE PROPOSED PERCENTAGE OF LOCK COVERAGE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC BASED ON FINDING D THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF THAT MEETS THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS, OPERATIONS AND TRIM AND SEAL, SEAL DETAILING ON THE WEST ELEVATION THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT AS NOTED IN FINDING G AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC BASED ON FINDING G FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING I THAT MEET THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOWS SIX, THAT THE HARDY SIDING FEATURES A REVEAL OF NO MORE THAN SIX INCHES AND A SMOOTH TEXTURE BASED ON FINDING I A FOG WOODGRAIN FINISH IS NOT PERMITTED.
THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD DOORS BASED ON FINDING I TO STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC EIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS COLUMN DETAILS BASED ON FINDING I SHOWING THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH AND CARPORT COLUMNS WILL BE FULLY WOOD TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR
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TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC.THE PORCH COLUMN SHOULD FEATURE A MAXIMUM OF SIX BY SIX INCHES IN WIDTH AND FEATURE A TRADITIONAL CAP AND BASE AND CHAMFORD CORNERS.
THAT ALL HAND RAILINGS ARE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD AND THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED HAND RAILINGS AND STAIRS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW BASED ON FINDING I AND 10 THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINS THE EXISTING CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY APRON WIDTH AND THAT THE NEW DRIVEWAY TO THE NEW PARKING PAD DOES NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC BASED ON FINDING K UH, WE DO HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS REQUEST AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RUDY AND CHRISTINA MASIAS ARE WITH US IN PERSON AND THE APPLICANT MICHELLE CRUZ IS WITH US VIRTUALLY.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE CRUZ AND I'M THE ARCHITECT WORKING ON THIS, UM, PROJECT.
UM, DO WE HAVE THE, THE PRESENT? THANK YOU.
SO, UM, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT WE, WE DID LOWER THE, THE ROOF TO 24 FEET, UM, AND VERSUS 25 WE ARE LOWER THAN, UM, THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE SURROUNDING, UH, NEIGHBOR'S HOMES.
AND SO I JUST DID, I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, UM, AND THAT I CAN ADDRESS THE, THE COVERAGE OF THE, OF THE SITE TODAY AS WELL.
WE ARE AT 27.5% TOTAL BUILDING COVERAGE OF THE LOT.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR A DETACHED, UH, UNIT.
YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS SITE, UM, THAT WE HAVE SOME, SOME VIEWS FROM THE STREET.
SO FROM LABOR STREET, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE, YOU'LL NOT SEE THE DWELLING UNIT, BUT IT IS A CORNER LOT.
SO WE ARE QUITE VISIBLE, UM, FROM LABOR AND FROM SADIE.
UH, THE CORNER AT NUMBER THREE AT THE BOTTOM YOU WILL SEE THE, THE LOT, THE UNIT IN THE BACK.
UM, AND THE REASON I, I FEEL LIKE THIS ACTUALLY IS VERY APPROPRIATE IS BECAUSE SADIE STREET IS A MAIN NEIGHBORHOOD STREET AND WE HAVE HOMES THAT FRONT THIS STREET.
THIS IS NOT A SIDE STREET OR AN ALLEY STREET.
AND SO MAKING THIS A BACK OF HOUSE, UM, DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT GIVES ENOUGH OF A PROMINENCE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS OF THIS STREET.
JUST FROM AN URBAN DESIGN STANDPOINT, UM, IT FEELS LIKE IT WANTS TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PRESENCE WHILE NOT COMPETING WITH THE REST OF THE HOMES ON THE STREET.
UM, IT DOESN'T WANNA FEEL LIKE A SHED.
SO THIS IS, WE'RE PROPOSING A TWO STORY, UH, ADU THE FLOOR PLATE ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS 400 SQUARE FEET, UM, AND THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BE THEIR OFFICE AND THE FIRST FLOOR IS A MULTI-UNIT SPACE SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE STILL PLENTY OF YARD FOR THEIR KIDS TO PLAY.
AND THE NEIGHBOR'S KIDS, THEY DO NOT HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE UP ON SADIE STREET.
THEY WANT THAT VIEW AND THEY WANT TO HAVE, UM, NEIGHBORS, UM, TO HAVE THAT, THAT FEELING, THAT CONNECTION TO THE STREET.
AND SO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO MAKE THIS FEEL MUCH MORE LIKE A WELCOMING SPACE THAN A BACK OF HOUSE SPACE.
UM, WE ARE 16 FEET ACROSS ON THE EAST SIDE AND THEN 25 FEET WIDE ON THE SIDE THAT FACES SADIE.
UM, MAYBE GO TO ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS.
THIS IS THE SADIE STREET, THE NORTH ELEVATION THAT FACES SADIE.
AND THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION THAT FACES THE SIDE YARD.
IT WOULD NOT BE SEEN BY ANYONE BUT MAYBE THE NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS THIS THE, UM, EAST SIDE, WHICH IS THE, THE ELEVATION THAT IS BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THEIR EXISTING HOUSE.
SO THIS IS THE, THE, THE SIDE YARD SPACE NEXT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION THAT FACES, UM, THE BACK NEIGHBOR.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS AN IMAGE I BELIEVE UP THERE, THE FRONT OF THE HISTORIC HOME.
THIS IS THE SADIE STREET SIDE OF THE HISTORIC HOME AND THIS IS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND AGAIN THEIR SIDE HOUSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO THESE WERE JUST SOME IMAGES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE WANTED TO POINT OUT, THERE ARE PLENTY OF EXAMPLES OF TWO
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STORY HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN THE 24 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT.AND UM, SO WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE WERE GOING OUTRAGEOUSLY TALL OR OVERLY PROMINENT.
UM, SHOWING SOME EXAMPLES OF THE METAL RAILINGS, UH, THAT THEY ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WIDENING THE, THE, THE
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT WIDENING THE DRIVEWAY SO THAT THEY CAN PARK BOTH OF THEIR CARS CURRENTLY.
UM, THEY HAVE DIFFICULTY PARKING BOTH OF THEIR CARS ON THEIR SITE AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS TO WIDEN THE CURB.
SEE THERE IS AN EXAMPLE ALREADY ON SADIE AND RIDDLE STREET, WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE CORNER OF THIS EXISTING HOME THAT HAS A TWO STORY ADU GOING UP BEHIND A ONE STORY HOME THAT IS ACTUALLY VERY LOW.
IT DOESN'T MEET THE, THAT 1 31 2 RIDDLE.
UM, THAT HOME IS, IS NOT A, A VICTORIAN STYLE HOME AND THEY HAVE A TWO STORY ADU GOING UP IN THE BACK, WHICH IS TALLER THAN THIS HOME CURRENTLY.
AND WE'RE JUST PROPOSING TO STAY WITHIN THE SAME HEIGHT AS EVERYONE ELSE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I WANT TO MENTION.
UM, ONE OF THE REQUESTS, UM, FROM THE CHAIRMAN WAS, UH, WHAT THEIR CEILING HEIGHT CURRENTLY IS.
THEIR CEILING HEIGHT CURRENTLY INSIDE THEIR HOME IS 11 FEET.
AND I DO WANNA POINT OUT, WHICH IS NOT SHOWING IN THESE VIEWS THAT THEIR HOME IS THREE FEET UP OFF THE GROUND AND THEY HAVE STEPS THAT GO UP TO THEIR FRONT PORCH.
SO THEIR, THE, THE ROOF LINE IS ACTUALLY LIKE 13 FEET FROM THE GROUND FLOOR FINISH.
AND THE ADU THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 10 FEET FROM GROUND FLOOR.
SO WE'RE ARE LOWER IN ACTUALLY THAN THE ROOF LINE OF THE EXISTING HOME FOR THAT FIRST FLOOR.
I GUESS I CAN OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME VOICEMAILS.
HEY, THIS IS HAILEY AND LEIGHTON HAYES CALLING FROM 2 0 7 DELAWARE STREET AND WE JUST WERE CALLING IN SUPPORT OF THE MAFI CACA AT 8 0 1 LABOR STREET.
UM, WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND WE'RE EXCITED FOR THEM, SO GIVE US A CALL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I LIVE AT, UH, 2 3 3 FLORIDA STREET IN LAVACCA AND I WAS CALLING REGARDING THE, UH, MACIAS CASA, I BELIEVE AT 8 0 1 LABOR STREET.
UM, I JUST REVIEWED THEIR PLANS AND SAW THAT THEY WERE DOING A STRUCTURE PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE JUST DID THROUGH HT RC, UM, LAST YEAR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, UM, SAY THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THEIR HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD LOOK REALLY GREAT AND FOLLOW, UM, ALONG WITH THE LIKINGS OF EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, ON SADIE STREET AND THEY'RE ON LABOR STREET AS WELL.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THEM AND HOPE THAT IT ALL GOES WELL.
I CAN BE REACHED BACK AT SEVEN AND THAT CAN CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE WAS ADRC THAT I ATTENDED AND, UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT REDUCING THE OVERALL HEIGHT AND THEY, UH, I BELIEVE THEY REDUCED THE CEILING HEIGHT ON THE FIRST FLOOR BY A FOOT, WHICH REDUCED THE OVERALL HEIGHT BY A FOOT.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HAD A HORIZONTAL, UH, RAILING, UM, ON THE ADU AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, ALTERNATES THAT WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE, UM, PUT IN A BASICALLY A, A PICKET FENCE OR A PICKET RAILING AS OPPOSED TO HORIZONTAL.
WE DID TALK ABOUT THE, UH, DRIVEWAY AND UM, THERE IS A, THEIR NEIGHBOR HAS A DRIVEWAY ADJACENT, ADJACENT TO THIS, THEIR DRIVEWAY AND IN BETWEEN THE TWO DRIVEWAYS IS CONCRETE AS WELL.
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HAD BEEN TO, UM, THEY HAD RIGHT NOW, UH, JESSICA, COULD YOU PUT UP, I MEAN, UH, RACHEL, COULD YOU PUT UP A, UM, GOOGLE VIEW OF THE DRIVEWAY? THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, ROLLING GATE ON THEIR FENCE THAT IS WIDER THAN THEIR CURRENT CURB CUT.AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PROPOSING TO WIDEN THE, THE APPROACH TO, UH, MATCH THE WIDTH OF YOUR GATE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
WE DID TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING A, UH, A STRIP DRIVEWAY, UM, BETWEEN THE CURRENT CURB CUT AND THE, THE, THE END OF THE GATE JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER 10 MORE FEET OF CONCRETE IN THIS AREA.
I THINK THOSE ARE THE BIG THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE DRC.
SO NOW, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UH, TO THE APPLICANT, UH, LOOK, LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS, THE MM-HMM, THE DESIGN'S VERY, VERY NICELY BALANCED.
IT SEEMS TO BE VERY, UM, UH, THANK YOU MODERN IN ITS SENSE.
UH, THE WAY THAT THE, THE PIECES COME TOGETHER, VERY ORIGINAL.
UM, READING, UH, UH, READING THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, IT SEEMS THAT THAT THE QUESTIONS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ANSWERED ARE MORE ABOUT THE DETAILING, RIGHT? SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND, AND THAT WOULD GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD FOR THOSE, THOSE SMALLER DETAILS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WINDOW REVEAL OR, OR DEPTH, UH, UH, COLUMN SIZE, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT PROVIDED THAT, THAT THE LANGUAGE IS IN THE MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL SO THAT THERE'S THE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK AND THEN, AND IT'S GONNA SAY, WELL, WE'VE GOTTA CHANGE EVERYTHING, RIGHT? BUT JUST, JUST BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, QUITE, QUITE A LENGTHY RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH 10.
DO, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A CONCEPTUAL, UH, APPROVAL? UH, UM, I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE.
I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO, I MEAN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE REQUESTS THAT, THAT YOU ARE ASKING EXCEPT FOR THE OVERALL HEIGHT, WHICH WE FEEL WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH.
AND, UM, AND THE RAILING, WE, WE REALLY FEEL THAT THE METAL RAILING WOULD BE, UM, IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN.
THEY HAVE CHILDREN AND WOOD THESE DAYS IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S SO HARD TO MAINTAIN IN THIS HEAT AND COLD.
AND SO WE REALLY FEEL THAT THE METAL RAILING, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE MUST, UM, WE MUST STICK WITH JUST FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT WITH THEIR KIDS.
UM, AS FOR THE, THE DRIVEWAY, UM, WHICH WOULD BE THE OTHER LIKE LARGE ITEM, UM, I THINK THAT AS LONG AS WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE CURB CUT SO THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR CARS IN, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, TAKE A, A LOOK AT WHAT OTHER KIND OF MATERIAL WE COULD USE, UM, INSTEAD OF IT BEING FULL CONCRETE.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE, YES, I, I AGREE.
I THINK WE WOULD BE WILLING TO SUBMIT ALL OF THE DETAILS THAT, UM, THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING MM-HMM.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS JUST BEFORE I OKAY.
IF THAT WAS EMOTIONAL SUPPORT IT, BUT I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
WELL, I'LL WAIT TILL YOU FINISH YOUR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER.
SO, ON THAT DRIVEWAY, LIKE, AND I SEE WHEN WE PULL UP THE GOOGLE IMAGE, HOW MANY FEET DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FROM YOUR, LIKE, FENCE LINE? LIKE, BECAUSE I DO SEE THAT THERE'S CONCRETE BETWEEN YOU GUYS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR DRIVEWAY FROM YOUR FENCE IS MUCH LESS THAN 10 FEET ALREADY, OR IS IT NOT? YES.
IT, IT IS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO, UM, NINE FEET, I BELIEVE.
AND THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A TRUCK
AND SO, UM, THESE ARE BIG CARS TO LEAVE ON THE STREETS.
I MEAN, SOMETHING SIMILAR COULD BE DONE LIKE THE NEIGHBOR HAS RIGHT.
WHERE YOU KIND OF MOVE THE CENTER OF THE DRIVEWAY A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF WE APPROVE THAT SHE CAN, THEY CAN GET THAT FROM, UH, APPROVAL FROM THE CITY? I GUESS ASKING STAFF.
THE, IF THE DRIVEWAY WAS KIND OF RECENT, THEY COULD RECONSTRUCT THE APRON.
THEY WOULD BE LIKE RECONSTRUCTED SO THAT
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THEY HAVE THAT LIKE FIVE FEET AND THEN AN A APPROACH AND THEN, RIGHT.SO THAT COULD BE, WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL ACTUALLY.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY, BECAUSE THAT, THAT DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE, AND WE ACTUALLY ARE TRYING TO STAY LIKE FIVE FEET OFF, UM, WITH THE, OR LIKE THE COLUMN NEEDS TO BE FIVE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IF WE, IF WE RECENT THE DRIVEWAY, THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
WE WOULDN'T NEED IT TO BE 25 FEET.
WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY? DO YOU KNOW? THE HEIGHT OF THEM? IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 24 FEET AS WELL.
AND THEN ALSO YOU TALKED ABOUT 27% LOT COVERAGE, BUT HOW MUCH IS THE TOTAL WITH THE MAIN HOUSE AND CONCRETE? THAT IS WITH OH, OKAY.
UM, JUST CONDITIONED SPACES WE'RE AT LIKE 27%.
OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES.
UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH, UH, TO APPROVE ALL, ALL ITEMS, I GUESS AS, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
WELL, BUT I GOTTA DROP OFF 10.
RIGHT? SO APPROVAL WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, APPROVAL OR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
WELL, THE, THE APPLICANT IS NOTING THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS, SO IT GIVES 'EM THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH STAFF.
SO IF WE APPROVE FINAL APPROVAL WITH, WITH, WITH, UM, ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS LESS ITEM 10, UH, THAT IT IS A RIBBON.
I BELIEVE THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE, NO, IT'S LEAVING.
ITEM 10 IS JUST MOVING IT OVER.
SO IT'S A FULL TO 10 FEET, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY UPDATED WHERE YOU CAN SHOW THE 10 FEET FURTHER DOWN THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO ME.
I WAS JUST, UH, UNDER THE IMPRESSION FROM COMMISSIONER THAT, THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL PROBLEM WITH THERE BEING A FULL DO YOUR MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DO THE DISCUSSION.
WELL THEN LET ME, LET ME JUST PREEMPTIVELY SAY, UM, UH, MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH RESPECT TO ITEM 10, THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS MOVED 24 INCHES FROM PROPERTY LINE SHIFTED 20 INCHES FROM PROPERTY LINE FOR THE 10 FEET END OF MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I THINK IT COULD BE MORE GENERALIZED.
JUST SAY LIKE THAT, THAT THE, OR THE NEIGHBORING PROP NEIGHBORING BE CENTERED ON THE NEW DRIVEWAY AND NOT TO EXCEED, HOWEVER, WHATEVER WIDTH IS STIPULATED.
WITH, WITH ITEM 10, RE-CENTERED ON THE NEW DRIVEWAY.
NEW DRIVEWAY WITH THE OLD DRIVEWAY.
I HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO THE MOTION.
I THINK THE APPLICANT HAD SAID THAT ITEM NINE, THEY REALLY WANTED THE MEDAL.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE JUSTIFIED BY SECURITY, SO WE COULD PROBABLY DO THAT AMENDMENT, BUT, UH, BUT ALSO ITEM ONE, EXACTLY.
I THINK, UH, WELL, I GUESS IT WAS NOT REALLY, WE DIDN'T GET THE UPDATED DRAWINGS, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO SEE.
AND THEN I, YOU HAVE THE UPDATED DRAWINGS? NO, THEY'RE, YOU DO HAVE THEM.
THEY'RE DRAWN AT 24 FEET, BUT NOW WE'RE EXACTLY THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE.
SO I THINK THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE IS 25.
WELL, AND, AND I GUESS IT'S BACK TO WHAT I WOULD SAY, AND I PROBABLY WOULD ENTERTAIN IF IT WOULD BE GOOD TO CONCEPTUALLY, BECAUSE YOU HAD A REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT BEING ON THE CORNER AND YOUR PROMINENT, UM, IT JUST MAKES IT DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING TO THE OTHER ADUS AND THE OTHER EXAMPLES THAT YOU WERE USING AS PICTURES, BECAUSE SADIE IS A REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A STREET, IT'S NOT AN ALLEY.
SO, AND YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU WANNA MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IF, LIKE A FRONT OF A HOME.
SO I WOULD ALSO WANTED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE FENESTRATIONS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WHETHER LIKE THAT CARPORT, SO BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING IT LOOK LIKE A HOME ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT NOT REALLY ON THE BOTTOM.
UM, MAYBE FURTHER ON THE LEFT SIDE OR HOW CAN WE MAKE IT LOOK AND, AND ONE OF THE MOST, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IS ALSO CHANGING A LOT OF THE FENESTRATION.
SO I THINK IT WOULD CHANGE A LOT OF THE WEST SIDE.
IT WOULD CHANGE A LOT OF THE EAST SIDE.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, A CONCEPTUAL WOULD BE REASONABLE WITH COMING BACK AND JUST UPDATING, YOU KNOW, SHOWING US THOSE UPDATED FENESTRATIONS AND LOCATIONS OF YEAH.
UM, EXACTLY WHAT THE STAFF IS SHOWING THERE.
BUT THEN ON THE BOTTOM, IF THERE IS A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THAT APPEARANCE OF A FRONT LOAD PARKING
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OF A MAIN HOU OF A HOUSE.AND I, AND I THINK THAT WILL HELP YOU ON THAT HEIGHT REQUEST, RIGHT? SO IF WE ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT AT 24 INCHES, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE FRONT HOUSE, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS LIKE AN ADU THAT LOOKS LIKE A SEPARATE HOME, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO MAKE IT LOOK AT FROM THE BOTTOM IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD ADVICE.
AND CAN I THEN DO AN ALTERNATE MOTION? AN AMENDED MO? WELL, IT WOULD BE ALTERNATED IF I SAY CONCEPTUAL PROOF WITH STIPULATIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT AND, AND 10 AS AS IS IN, IN THE MAIN MOTION.
WOULD THAT BE AN ALTERNATE OR IS THAT AN AMENDMENT GONNA TREAT IT THE SAME WAY? UM, BUT YES, JUST COMMUNICATING TO EVERYONE THAT IT EFFECTIVELY CHANGES THE OUTCOME SOMEWHAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONCEPTUAL.
AND, AND THE REASON OF CONCEPTUAL IS I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO SEE TO COME BACK, I THINK.
WELL, LET'S GET A SECOND ON THAT FIRST.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND AMENDED MOTION? MR. CHAIR? I GOT A QUESTION JUST TO, I'M SORRY.
IS, IS THERE DISCUSSION BEFORE AN AMEND? ONE MOMENT, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? YES.
JUST TO CLARIFY, MR. VELAZQUEZ, YOU MADE AN, AN AMENDED MOTION OR WERE YOU MAKING A CLARIFICATION TO YOUR MOTION ON THE RAILING? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK AS IT, AS I SAID IT, I SAID AS AN AMENDED.
CAN I DO THAT? YOU CAN AMEND YOUR OWN MOTION? YES.
OKAY, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
AND SO WE HAVE THE SECOND AND FINAL AMENDED AMENDMENT, WHICH IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER GROUP.
AND, AND THAT HAS BEEN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.
SO DISCUSSION ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT, AND BASICALLY IT'S THE SAME AS THE FINAL APPROVAL, BUT INSTEAD I, I WOULD JUST, I I'M JUST REQUESTING THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE FINAL PACKAGE WITH THOSE SPECIFICALLY.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS MIGHT BE, UM, LIKE THE FENESTRATIONS, JUST LIKE I MENTIONED, AND THE, AND MAYBE SEEING SOME, A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF THE ADU.
MY, MY ORIGINAL MOTION IS MADE MR. CHAIR, BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE, AT THE PROJECT, IT'S A WELL BALANCED PROJECT.
THE, THE, UM, THE ISSUE OF HEIGHT, THE, THE PROJECT BEING BALANCED AND CONSIDERING THAT THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A REDUCTION, UH, AT SOME POINT, UH, THE BUILDING HAS TO HAVE A LIFE OF ITS OWN.
THE DESIGN HAS TO BE IN, IN AND OF ITSELF ITS OWN STATEMENT.
UH, LOOKING AT THE PROJECT, IT SEEMS TO HAVE ACHIEVED THAT HIGH STANDARD, I THINK, OF DESIGN AND, AND THAT THAT'S CONSIDERING THAT THE STIPULATIONS THAT, THAT REMAINED IN THE ORIGINAL MOTION, UH, ARE THAT STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE DESIGNER TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE THE DEPTH OF WINDOW, THE DEPTH OF, OF, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE STANDING SEAM, DI DIMENSION, DIMENSIONING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ENABLE THE PROJECT TO BE ITS OWN PROJECT AFTER ALREADY HAVING BEEN RE RETHOUGHT FROM ADRC.
UM, I THINK A COMPROMISE ON THE RAILING AND A COMPROMISE ON THE, ON THE DRIVEWAY, UH, YIELD THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF, UM, OF, UM, CONSIDERATION, UH, OUTSIDE OF A REDUCTION OF, OF HEIGHT, WHICH IS GONNA BE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
AND, AND THAT CAN IMPLICATE A LOT OF OTHER DECISIONS.
RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT, THAT THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED IS, IS WELL PRESENTED AND, AND IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO SAY THAT, THAT, THAT BECAUSE IT'S A STREET AND IT WANTS TO GO FOR A PARTICULAR LOOK, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A, UM, SHOULD BE USED AS A JUDGMENT FOR, WELL, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE NOT ACHIEVING THAT, BUT MORE SO THAT IT'S IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT IS INTENDED, BECAUSE THE MAIN HOUSE IS THE MAIN HOUSE AND REMAINS THE MAIN HOUSE.
SO I, I, I, UM, DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT, UH, UH, UH, THE, UH, AMENDED MOTION, UH, BECAUSE, UM, THE PROJECT SEEMS THAT, THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S WELL-DEFINED AND, AND, UH, THE APPLICANT DESERVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET
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BUSY AND, AND COMPLETE THEIR PROJECT.CAN I CLARIFY, MR. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER GRU? I, I, I THINK I MAY, YOU MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD.
I WASN'T SAYING THAT TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT, IT WAS JUST KEEPING, AND THAT STIPULATION IS STILL KEPT IN, IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UM, MOTION.
UM, IT WAS MORE LIKE THE WINDOW, AND IT'S NOT THE WINDOW MATERIAL, IT'S ACTUALLY THE FENESTRATION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHOW ME WESTERN, UH, RACHEL, THE WESTERN SIDE OF IT WHERE THE FENESTRATIONS, BECAUSE OF THE, THE STIPULATION, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA CHANGE THE WINDOW PATTERN.
AND, AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR, UM, THE CONCEPTUAL TO SEE THAT.
AND THAT WOULD ALSO AFFECT THE WINDOW IN THE FRONT WHERE THEY'RE IN FRONT OF THE CARS.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WOULD SAY CONCEPTUAL.
AND IN YOUR MOTION, YOU'RE STILL, AND YES, AND TO THE LEFT OF THE CARS, IF WE GO BACK TO THE FRONT ELEVATION, I WAS ASKING THE APPLICANT IF WE MAYBE COULD ADD A FENESTRATION OR SOMEHOW SOMETHING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE CARS JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE.
UM, AND I'M, AND I'M MAY, I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD JUSTIFY THE HEIGHT THAT AS IS SUBMITTED, THE 24.
WELL THEN, AND, UM, JUST A MOMENT, OTHER COMMENTS? AM I ALLOWED TO, AM I ALLOWED TO ADD SOMETHING
LET ME JUST CHECK TO SEE IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
JUST QUICKLY CONFIRM THAT, UM, FOR COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ'S MOTION AND THE CLARIFICATION THAT HE MADE THAT THE SECOND CONCURRED, I THINK WE SAID THAT, HEARD THAT FROM YES.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES CONCURRED ON THE, THE METAL RAILING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST, YES, COMMISSIONER SOME CLARIFICATION THAT, AND, AND IS PART OF THE WAY THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WRITTEN THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IN, IN TERMS OF THE ITEM THAT REFERS TO THE HEIGHT IS THAT THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN SATISFIED SO THAT IT HAD ALREADY BEEN TO ADRC, THAT THE HEIGHT HAD ALREADY BEEN REDUCED, BUT THAT STIPULATION WOULD STILL STAY ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, SO THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ACHIEVED.
STAFF CAN CLARIFY THAT THOSE STIPULATIONS ARE BASED ON THE UPDATED DRAWINGS THAT WERE REDUCED BY ONE FOOT.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS IT STILL BE REDUCED FURTHER.
WELL, MY, MY, JUST TO CLARIFY, MY, MY MOTION SHOULD THE OTHER MOTION FAIL IS THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, THAT THE REDUCTION HAS ALREADY OCCURRED.
WE CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE MOTIONS NOTICE.
IT'S JUST CLARIFICATION THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT THAT THIS AMENDMENT FAILS, THAT THAT ITEM ONE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT REDUCTION HAD ALREADY OCCURRED AND THOSE ITEMS REMAIN ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THEY NEVER DROP OFF.
THEY'RE ALWAYS THE SAME RECOMMENDATIONS.
OKAY, WE HAVE THE AMENDED MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
I WOULD TAKE THE FIRST AMENDMENT FOR RAILING.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ON THE FIRST AMENDED MOTION, WHICH IS THE ALLOWING THE, UM, STEEL RAILING IN, IN LIEU OF THE WOOD VELAZQUEZ.
WELL, AND AND THAT'S WITH THE CLARIFICATION, RIGHT? THAT, THAT THE HEIGHT HAD ALREADY BEEN REDUCED.
LET'S DO THE FIRST AMENDED MOTION, WHICH IS THE, THE METAL RAILING IN LIEU OF THE WOOD RAILING PLUS YOUR RATHER.
OKAY, NOW A ROLL CALL ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
AMENDMENT, WHICH IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS PREVIOUSLY STATED.
SO NOW WE WILL HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION AS AMENDED.
YES, IT'S CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION, WELL, NOT A STIPULATION, BUT CLARIFICATION THAT THE METAL RAILING CAN BE INSTALLED.
SO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE, WE'RE COMBINING AMENDMENTS TO NOW WE HAVE HAVE THE MOTION AS AMENDED.
UH, CAN YOU RET TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON THE WHOLE THING.
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WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HEIGHT AS PRESENTED TODAY SATISFIES STAFF'S ORIGINAL STIPULATION WITH THE ADDED CLARIFICATION THAT A METAL BALUSTRADE COULD BE USED INSTEAD OF WOOD AS STIPULATED BY STAFF.AND THAT THE DRIVEWAY APRON COULD BE RECENTERED ON THE NEW PROPOSED DRIVEWAY AS CONCEPTUAL.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO Y'ALL COMING BACK WITH THESE, UM, UPDATES.
AGENDA ITEM 17, 9 15 MASON STREET, ITEM 17, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 360 9 15 MASON STREET.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION.
TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL POSTS AND RAILING ON THE FRONT PORCH WITH NEW SQUARE COLUMNS AND RAILING.
THREE, REPLACE THE TWO EXISTING FRONT DOORS AND SIDE DOOR.
FOUR, INFILL, MODIFY, AND ADD WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THEIR REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FULL MEASURED DRAWINGS FOR THE ADDITION FOR STAFF REVIEW.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION ON THE NORTH ELEVATION AS NOTED IN FINDING D THREE THAT THE APPLICANT'S INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZES A SETBACK OR RECESSED AREA AND A SMALL CHANGE IN DETAILING AT THE SEAM OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND THE NEW ADDITION TO PROVIDE A CLEAR VISUAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN OLD AND NEW BUILDING FORMS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING METAL POSTS AND RAILING ON THE FRONT PORCH WITH SQUARE COLUMNS AND RAILING BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
I MESSED UP THE BULLET POINTS HERE.
ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MEASURED DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS INFORMATION FOR THE PROPOSED NEW COLUMNS.
TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED COLUMNS ARE WOOD, NO WIDER THAN SIX INCHES SQUARE AND FEATURE BOTH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM AND CHAMFORD CORNERS.
THREE, THAT THE NEW RAILING BE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD FEATURE, BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM RAILS.
AND A SIMPLE DESIGN THAT DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND BE RAISED OFF THE DECK SURFACE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, REPLACEMENT OF THE TWO EXISTING FRONT DOORS AND ONE SIDE DOOR BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A REPLACEMENT PRODUCT THAT COMPLIMENTS THE STYLE AND PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE AND NAMELY A CRAFTSMAN STYLE FULLY WOOD DOOR PRODUCT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR IN FILLING, MODIFYING, AND ADDING WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS, GNH.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, MICHAEL KRAUS, HERE IN PERSON.
MICHAEL KRAUS, UM, DESIGNER ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE ONLY THING WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO ADD IS, UH, SOME WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, FOR A DINING ROOM.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH EVERYTHING STAFF'S RECOMMENDED AND KIND OF STAY WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE ON THE HOUSE NOW.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A BIG BLANK SPOT THAT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO ADD SOME WINDOWS TO.
CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHICH WINDOWS YOU WANT? UM, YEAH, LET'S SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
SO THE DOOR'S ALREADY THERE, THAT WINDOW'S ALREADY THERE.
THE TWO, UH, IN FRONT OF THE DOOR TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DOOR ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOT, THERE'S A DINING ROOM THERE.
SO THAT'S A MODIFICATION AND AN ADDITION ON THAT ELEVATION FOR THOSE TWO WINDOWS.
SO BASICALLY THERE WAS ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN THE FRONT WE'RE REPLACING WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
AND WE'RE JUST A LOOKING TO ADD THOSE TWO ON THE SIDE.
UM, QUES I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS.
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FROM THE COMMISSION? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.UM, THERE'S A WINDOW IN THE DOOR AND THEN I SEE IN ONE PICTURE, I GUESS A LITTLE WINDOW.
SO BASICALLY WHERE THAT SMALLER WINDOW IS.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE A DRAWING OF WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING.
UM, SO THAT MIDDLE WINDOW THERE IS WHERE THESE TWO NEW WINDOWS ARE GONNA GO.
WELL, WHICH ONE IN THE WINDOW? I DON'T THINK THAT'S IT.
JESSICA, CAN YOU POINT OUT THE, THE WINDOW THAT'S SEEN TO MODIFY.
SO THE PLANS CURRENTLY SHOW, UH, REMOVAL OF THIS SMALLER WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH, UH, A PAIR OF GAINED WINDOWS AND THEN INFILL OF THIS WINDOW, AND THEN ALSO AN ADDITION OF A WINDOW BACK HERE.
THAT'S PER THE DRAWINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT PICK, IF YOU LOOK AT PICTURE 29, OR MAYBE I'M CONFUSED, IS THAT THE SIDE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS A WEIRD SIDE? YEAH.
THESE WERE PHOTOS SUBMITTED THAT NO LONGER REFLECT THE, UH, THE CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS, UH, SIDE GABLE HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED, UM, AND THE WINDOW TO THE RIGHT OF THAT DOOR HAS BEEN INFILLED.
UM, THE MOST CURRENT PHOTOS, UM, ARE THIS IS ONE THAT STAFF TOOK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU WANNA BRING BACK THAT WINDOW NEXT TO THE DOOR, CLOSE THAT DOOR AT THE OTHER WINDOW, SO THAT DOOR'S GOING TO STAY THERE AND BRING BACK THAT WINDOW NEXT TO IT.
AND THEN WHERE THAT SMALLER WINDOW IS TO THE LEFT OF IT RIGHT THERE, THAT'S TO GO TAKE THAT TO TWO.
AND THEN THAT CORNER STAYS THE SAME, THE DOOR STAYS THE SAME, AND THE FRONT STAYS THE SAME.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING, YOU'RE NOT SHOWING THAT CORNER.
UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER VERSION.
THERE'S A LATE FILE SUBMITTED.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TO LEAVE THAT CORNER WINDOW? YES.
AT THE FRONT AND, AND RE REENTERING WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WINDOWS YOU TOOK OUT? ARE THEY STILL THERE? UM, WE, WE GOT ON THIS AFTER ANOTHER CONTRACTOR, SO I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S NO WINDOWS, BUT THE WINDOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA BRING BACK, THE ONES THAT WE DID FIND ON THE PROPERTY, THEY WERE LIKE OLD ALUMINUM MILL FINISH KIND OF STUFF.
SO THEY WEREN'T THAT WOOD WINDOW THAT OH MY, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ALUMINUM, BUT YOU'RE GONNA BRING BACK THE SAME SIZE.
WE'RE MIRROR, WE'RE, WE'RE MATCHING THE SIZE.
WE'RE JUST COMING BACK WITH A ALL WOOD WINDOW.
AND THE TWO GANGED WINDOWS WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT'S EXISTING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, WHY ISN'T THE, THE IRON, WHY, WHY ISN'T THE IRON TO YOU A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE? I MEAN, ON THE FRONT PORCH? YES.
UH, BECAUSE THAT REPRESENTS A LATER MODIFICATION THAT'S REALLY COMMON ACROSS SAN ANTONIO.
UM, THIS, THE AGE OF HIS HOUSE AND THE STYLE OF HIS HOUSE THAT WOULD'VE HAD WOOD POSTS.
UM, SOME SALESPERSON IN THE FIFTIES OR SIXTIES MADE BANK ON EVERYBODY IN THE CITY AND REPLACING COLUMNS WITH THOSE METAL, UH, COLUMNS.
THOSE ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
BUT NOW THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT YOU SAID IT IS VERY COMMON IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO IT BECOMES A, A, A DEFINING FEATURE OF SAN ANTONIO OF PARTICULAR PERIOD.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO OR 15 YEARS AGO.
SO THAT, IT'S EASY TO SAY THAT, THAT AT THE SAME TIME THAT THAT IS AN AESTHETIC THAT IS DISAPPEARING, THAT SPEAKS ABOUT A PARTICULAR, UH, UH, COMMON THEME IN SAN ANTONIO.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASK IS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SO INTACT AND IT SO DEFINES THAT PORCH OF A PARTICULAR, OF A PARTICULAR PERIOD.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE FROM SAN ANTONIO, THE THE COLUMNS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOUSE AND THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, UM, SUGGEST THAT, UH, THIS WOULD BE A RETURN TO A MORE APPROPRIATE CONDITION.
I HEAVILY DISAGREE WITH YOU CHAIR MOTION, BUT WE CAN TAKE INTO, WE CAN TAKE IT INTO DISCUSSION, I GUESS.
COMMISSIONER GROUP AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS.
SORRY, I GOTTA GET THE STIPULATIONS IN FRONT OF ME.
YEAH, YOU, YOU AGREED TO ALL OF THEM,
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I THINK.ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE COLUMNS AND I THINK, UM, SO, SO APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE THROUGH THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, AND THEN I'LL, UM, MO MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM FOUR WITH THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS, BUT WITH THE SAME MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS.
AND, AND IF YOU CAN COME BACK WITH THE FINAL DRAWING WITH THAT CORNER WINDOW SHOWING, WHICH IS NOT IN DESTROYING PRESENTED, OR MAYBE IT WASN'T THE, IT WASN'T THE LATE ONES.
WELL, AS WITH THE CORONER, THE TWO GANG, I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK WE, WE GAVE THEM THE UPDATES, BUT IT WAS AFTER THE CUTOFF, SO THEY HAVE THEM, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THAT AVAILABLE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UM, JUST LIKE THE OTHER HOUSE THAT WE SAW WITH THE, WITH THE, THE FACADE, UM, THE, AS FAR AS EVEN THE, THE HORIZONTAL, UH, UH, YARD SCAPE, IT, IT SEEMS THAT THE HOUSE BECOMES A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HOUSE IN THE FRONT OF IT.
WHEN THE TRACERY KIND OF, THE, THE REAL THIN, THE REAL LIGHT WROUGHT IRON, UM, DISAPPEARS AND, AND ALL OF THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE HOUSE, THE MODERNIZATION TO THE HOUSE, THE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT TURNING INTO THIS CLEAN, PRISTINE STRUCTURE IS NOT, IS NOT ALTERED OR IT'S NOT CHANGED, UM, BY THE RETENTION OF SOMETHING THAT, UH, FOR ME IS A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE ARCHITECTURE ITSELF.
IF IT DISAPPEARS, THEN IT WILL CEASE TO EXIST.
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A, A PART OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE PRIMARY ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE.
NOW, I, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE, THE APPEAL OF THE WOOD COLUMN AND, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.
UM, BUT AS THIS HOUSE IS NOW, AS IT IS IN MEMORY TODAY, THAT WILL DISAPPEAR.
THERE ARE WOOD, UH, UH, BALUSTRADES ALL OVER THE, THE WOOD BALUSTRADE AS A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE STREETSCAPE IS NOT GONNA DISAPPEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY EXIST, BUT THESE ARE DISAPPEARING.
AND, AND IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT, THAT THIS IS AN ELEMENT THAT CAN HELP RETAIN, UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY AT LEAST 50 YEARS THAT THIS HOUSE IS GONNA REMEMBER, WHICH IS A WHOLE GENERATION, THE ALTERATION HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, MUCH LIKE A HOUSE THAT GETS AN ADDITION AND THE ADDITION BECOMES PART OF THE, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD, UH, AFTER COMMENT, YOU KNOW, W MAYBE WISH TO, UH, UH, AN AL TO, TO, TO PROPOSE AN ALTERNATE, UH, MOTION.
BUT I I, I WON'T ALLOW US THE, THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TO WEIGH IN AS WELL.
WELL, JUST TO NOTE, THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY REQUESTING TO REPLACE THE, THE COLUMNS AND RAILING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? YEAH.
ZUKA OR COMMISSIONER SAVANTE? YEAH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH BOTH.
UM, BUT I THINK I'M GONNA ERR ON THE SIDE OF GIVING THE, THE APPLICANT, UH, THE OPTION.
I MEAN, HE'S GOT THE OPTION, HE CAN RETURN IT TO WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS OR KEEP THE HISTORIC, UH, ASPECT OF THE METAL RAILINGS THAT ARE THERE, UM, WHICH DO PROVIDE A DATE, UH, TO WHEN THAT WAS DONE.
UM, SO YEAH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THAT.
I'M STILL, I'M GONNA VOTE FOR IT FOR THIS, BUT I, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER ON, ON THE ADDITIONS THAT DO MAKE AN IMPACT AND DO ACTUALLY ADD TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF, OF, UH, STRUCTURES.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MAZUA.
SO, UH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE HIS CHOICE, BUT I WAS TAKEN BY THE UNIQUENESS OF THE COLUMNS WITH THE URN AT THE BOTTOM AND THE PLANT FORM THAT COMES FROM THE TOP.
MOST OF THE TIME YOU SEE THESE I WROUGHT IRON PORCH COLUMNS AND THEY'RE RATHER PEDESTRIAN IN THE WAY IN THE DESIGN ASPECT.
THESE ARE UNUSUAL TO ME AND, UH, I, I LIKE THEM.
I THINK THAT YOU'D HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO HAVE THAT
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DESIGN STAND OUT A BIT.THE BACKGROUND OF THE HOUSE VERSUS THE COLOR OF THE, OF THE IRON WORK OR THE, YEAH, THE METAL WORK.
SO THAT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, WHATEVER THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DO.
WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VELAZQUEZ? AYE.
I AGENDA ITEMS 18 AND 19 HAVE BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANTS.
SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 23 10 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY COMMISS COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME REACHING THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ITEM AND WE DO KNOW THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 21.
THE NEXT ITEM IS HERE IN PERSON.
UM, SO IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, WE WILL GO A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER AND STILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO REACH THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 20.
AGENDA ITEM 21, 1 0 7 PASO HONDO.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 4 0 1 0 7 PASO HONDO, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING STAINING SEA METAL ROOF WITH A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF AND MEDIUM BRONZE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS, OF THE STAINING SEA METAL ROOF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SAW A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE AND INCLUDE REGULAR STAFF STIPULATIONS AS LISTED.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SAW A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF AND A STANDARD GAL AND FINISH OR IN A PRE WEATHERED GAL AND FINISH BASED ON FINDING B UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, CESAR, UM, RAZA AND HIS BROTHER DIEGO RAZA IS HERE IN PERSON.
AND THERE'S ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW.
YES, MY NAME IS DIEGO RAZA WITH 1 0 7 PAON.
SO THE, THE REASON WE WANT TO GO WITH, UH, MORE DARKER COLOR, UH, ROOF FOR THIS HOME, I, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, ESPECIALLY, IT WOULD BE A, A MORE CON BETTER CONTRAST FOR THE, UH, THE CURRENT COLOR OF THE HOME.
COULD YOU BRING UP THE PHOTO OF THE HOME PLEASE? THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? UH, NO, THAT'LL BE IT.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE COSTES AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNITY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 4 0, LOCATED AT 1 0 7 PADO.
WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A NEW FRONT FENCE THAT WAS NOT THERE LAST YEAR.
HAS THIS FENCE BEEN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED? THANK YOU.
WE CAN DEAL WITH THE FENCING LATER, BUT, UM, SURE.
SO, UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, SO, UH, WE ISSUED OUT A STOP WORK ORDER, UH, ONCE THE FENCE WAS BROUGHT TO STAFF'S ATTENTION, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR FRONT YARD FENCING AND THAT WILL BE HEARD ON DECEMBER 6TH.
SO, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE ROOF.
UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ.
UM, LOOKING AT THE, AT THE REQUEST AND THEN THE, THE STYLE OF, UM, OF, UM, ROOF THAT'S THERE, THE CRIMPING, THE FOLDED EDGE, CAN, CAN THAT BE ACHIEVED OR DO Y'ALL KNOW IF IT CAN BE ACHIEVED WITH A PRE-FINISHED ROOF MATERIAL OR THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY YOUR STIPULATIONS? THEY CAN USE CAPS AND ALL THAT.
SO THE STIPULATIONS THAT, UM, STAFF HAS LISTED WOULD BE OUR REGULAR ROOFING METAL OR STAINING STEAM METAL ROOF, UH, STIPULATIONS.
UM, THE, UH, THE REQUEST HERE ABOUT THE COLOR, IT'S JUST A COLOR.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THEY CHOSE THE GAL BALLOON FINISH THIS MEDIUM BRONZE, UM, THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING RED, WHICHEVER COLOR, UH, THE
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INSTALLATION METHOD, UH, CAN STILL BE DONE ACCORDING TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THE PHOTO OF THE HOUSE, NOW, THE, THAT IS NOT A PAINTED FINISH.
YES, IT'S, IT'S A RUSTED FINISH.
CORROSION FROM OVER THE YEARS.
ARE YOU EXPERIENCING ROOF LEAKS? YES, AT THE MOMENT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
UNLESS THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION ONE AND, UM, AND NOT STAFF STIPULATION TWO, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT SECOND MOTION, A SECOND DISCUSSION.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, JUST, JUST IN, IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THE OVERALL THE GAL LOOM, UM, VERSUS THE, THE PAINTED FINISHES.
MY, MY PROBLEM WITH THE PAINTED FINISHES, UH, UH, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT PART OF MY MOTION, RIGHT, IS THE GLOSS OF THOSE PAINTED FINISHES.
THEY REALLY, THEY REALLY GIVE A HARD TIME, UH, TO THE EYE IN TERMS OF SEEING IT AS A HISTORIC ROOF.
BUT THEN WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE OLD ROOFS, IT SEEMS THAT THIS WAS A ROOF THAT WAS PROBABLY PAINTED RED AT, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, SOME SLIGHT, UH, VISUAL OF, OF, UH, UH, POSSIBLY THAT IT'S NOT ALL JUST RUST, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OLD ROOFS AND THEN THEY'RE PAINTED AND THEY RE THEY MAINTAIN THIS, THIS FLAT LOOK, RIGHT? SO WE'RE WE'RE GEARED TOWARDS SEEING THE STANDING SEAM ROOF PAINTED, BUT NOT IN THIS, IT, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WHAT THESE POTTER COATED ROOFS LOOK LIKE TODAY.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S A STRANGE, UM, A PROBLEM TO HAVE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IF, THIS IS WHY I RAISED A QUESTION WITH STAFF ABOUT THE END CAPS OR WHETHER THEY'RE FOLDED, UH, CRIMPED, UH, UH, RIDGES BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THROWS OFF THE AESTHETIC OF THE ROOF.
IF THE, IF THE, THE GUIDELINE ENABLES THOSE MODERN ASSEMBLAGES, THEN TO A CERTAIN EXTENT WE'RE NOT ACHIEVING WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD ACHIEVE WITH A, WITH SAY, A GAL LOOM THAT THEN COULD BE PAINTED.
UM, SO THAT'S MY THINKING BEHIND WHY, UM, HAVING A PRE-PAINTED FINISHED ROOF IS, IS, UH, APPLICABLE BECAUSE, WELL, THE, THE RIGGING AND ALL THAT IS NOT FOLLOWING THIS STYLE OF RIGGING.
SO JUST, JUST TO GIVE SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU SAY? SOME, SOME METHOD TO THE MADNESS, RIGHT? THAT, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE GAL LOOM WILL LOOK ALL THAT MORE PROPER WITH THIS NICE RED, AND THE, THE GENTLEMAN HERE THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRAST, THERE REALLY MIGHT BE SOMETHING VERY, VERY, VERY EYE POPPING.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY THINKING, SIR.
CAN I JUST GET A CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION? I MEAN THE, THE STIPULATIONS ARE STILL THERE ABOUT THE SIZE AND THE, OR THE, HOW TO INSTALL IT? YES.
SO YOU THINK YOU CAN ACHIEVE THAT WITH THE, AS FAR AS INSTALLATION FACTORY, YES, IT'S ALL GONNA BE APPROPRIATE.
AND ACCORDING TO THE STIPULATIONS, THE ONLY THING WE'RE ARGUING AT THE MOMENT IS THE COLOR.
AND, AND THE COLOR WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN? NO, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A MORE MEDIUM BRONZE COLOR.
WELL COLOR, THE PICTURE THAT'S IN THE APPLICATION IS MORE LIKE A BLACK, TO ME, THAT'S NOT BRONZE.
I MEAN, BRONZE TO ME IS NO, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE NAME OF THE COLOR PER OF THE MANUFACTURER.
SO IT WOULD BE THAT BLACK ONE THAT, THAT WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN CLOSER TO THAT? YES.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO LIKE MORE LIKE THAT, UH, COPPER RED THAT'S THERE NOW? OR LIKE ACTUALLY IF WE LOOK AT A GOOGLE, YEAH, THAT WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION? WE JUST, I JUST BELIEVE THAT THE, THE, THE AESTHETIC THAT WE'RE GOING FOR AS FAR AS FROM THE COSMETIC POINT OF VIEW, THE, THE MEDIUM BRONZE COLOR WOULD BE MORE ADEQUATE TO, FOR THE HOME.
I GUESS I, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS IS, UM, IF YOU WANT A DARKER ROOF THAN A PRE WEATHERED GALVAO, I THINK MIGHT GIVE YOU THE LOOK YOU WANT.
UH, I KNOW GALVAO STRAIGHT OUTTA THE BOX, UH, CAN BE RATHER SHINY.
UH, IT DULLS DOWN OVER TIME, BUT A PRE WEATHERED ONE, UH, ACTUALLY COMES DARKER.
AND, UM, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT COULD BE, UH, MEET YOUR OBJECTIVE HERE.
SO, UM, I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS STATED.
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OTHER COMMENTS IF, IF THERE AREN'T MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, SAY SOMETHING ELSE.IF, IF STAFF COULD GO TO THE PICTURE, THAT IS THE PICTURE.
UH, IN THE, THAT PICTURE, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, THERE'S A VERY, THE, THE EYE IS GONNA SEE THE IMAGE THAT WHERE THE TRIM IS WHITE WITH A RED BRICK, VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT'S GONNA SEE WITH THIS GREEN.
SO WITH THIS GREEN GIVES US THE ABILITY TO SEE THE DEEPENING OF THE COLOR.
LIKE SAY IT WAS A HUNTER GREEN OR SAY THAT IT WAS LIKE, LIKE THEY PAINTED IT AFTERWARDS.
UM, I, I THINK WHAT YOU, YOU GET A, A GOOD GLIMPSE OF THE ROOF NEXT TO IT.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER, THE PICTURE THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.
SO THEY PAINT THESE ROOFS, RIGHT? UH, BUT, UM, I, I'M, YOU KNOW, I I, UM, NOT CERTAIN THAT THE GLOOM, ALTHOUGH I'M USUALLY PROPONENT FOR THE STRAIGHTFORWARD GAL THAT, THAT IT'S GONNA MAKE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE IF THE DETAILING IS NOT FOLLOWING THE SA THESE SAME RULES, WHICH THEY DON'T.
GR WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BLACK, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE PAINTING THE TRIM AND THE WINDOWS BLACK.
IT'S MORE OF LIKE A DARK GRAY.
BUT IT'S A DARK GRAY THAT MATCHED THE ROOF THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VELAZQUEZ? AYE.
HOLLAND NAY AND FETZER NAYYY MOTION FAILS.
COMMISSIONER GROUP MOTION TO APPROVE HIS STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND TWO.
WERE YOU ABLE TO GET THE APPLICANT FOR 2310 WEST KINGS? NOPE.
UM, I WILL ASK BRIAN TO GO AHEAD AND READ INTO THE RECORD JUST VERY QUICKLY AND THEN WE WILL DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 41 23 10 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE PAINT THE PREVIOUSLY UNPAINTED BRICK.
TWO, REPLACE THE BAY WINDOW ON THE PRIMARY ELEVATION WITH A FIXED METAL FRAME WINDOW.
THREE, REPLACE THE WOOD COLUMN ON THE FRONT PORCH WITH A BREEZE BLOCK.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H.
UH, THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THE COMMISSIONER TO REVIEW.
UM, APPLICANT IS NOT AVAILABLE.
LET'S HEAR THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20, CASE NUMBER 20 23 4 4 1 23 10 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY.
MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER, MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DOREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE NINE MEMBER MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE NOTE THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE EVEN THOUGH THE PROPERTY OWNER PRESENTED AND RECEIVED HDRC APPROVAL FOR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS PROPERTY.
IT IS UNFORTUNATE WHEN WORK IS DONE WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND RESULTS IN A LOSS OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THIS CLASSICAL RANCH STYLE HOME.
WE ASK THAT THE HDRC DENY THE APPLICATION FOR THE INTRODUCTION OF BREEZE BLOCK, THE INSTALLATION OF AN ALUMINUM WINDOW SLASH REMOVAL OF THE BAY WINDOW, AND THE PAINTING OF THE EXTERIOR MASONRY ELEMENTS OF THE HOME.
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HOME AT 2001 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY, WHICH WAS A VIOLATION CASE IN WHICH HDRC DENIED THE EXTERIOR PAINTING OF THE HOMES MASONRY.UNDER OHP OVERSIGHT, A COLD FLAG PRODUCT WAS RE USED TO REMOVE THE PAINT FROM THE HOMES.
BRICKS, PLEASE UPHOLD THE INTEGRITY OF THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DENY THIS REQUEST.
I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS APPLICATION UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
SECOND, GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO, UH, MAKE THEIR, MAKE THEIR, UH, MAKE THEIR CASE OR LACK OF.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.