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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 20TH, 2023.BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS COME UP AND GIVE THE ANNOUNCEMENT.
HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS MONICA SAVINO.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
BEFORE WE GO TO STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS, I WANTED TO, UH, THANK OHP STAFF AND THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS ALL OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, RESIDENTS.
THIS YEAR, UH, THE HISTORIC COMMISSION HAS HEARD OVER 425 CASES AND ISSUED CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS BY THE, THE, UH, STAFF OF OHP HAS ISSUED OVER 1700 CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WE HAVE 12 NEW LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS ALL INITIATED BY THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO IT'S BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL YEAR FOR THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY.
AND, UH, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE THE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT MOST CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED, UM, FOR NEXT WEEK THROUGH JANUARY 2ND.
UM, THERE WILL STILL BE CODE ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITIES, SO IF YOU DO WANT TO MAKE A REPORT OF A POTENTIAL VIOLATION, YOU CAN DO THAT BY, UM, DIALING 3 1 1 OR USING THE APP.
UM, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE THIS YEAR.
UM, WE WILL NOT BE CONVENING AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY 17TH.
UM, AND YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR THAT MEETING.
UM, SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN 2024.
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AND WITH THAT, WE CAN LOOK FOR ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 6TH.I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MEETING MINUTES.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
WITH THAT WE CAN BRING OUR ATTENTION TO THE ITEMS ON THE ETTE AGENDA.UM, ITEMS ONE THROUGH 13, UH, WE HAVE VOICEMAILS RECEIVED FOR ONE OF THOSE, AND THEN THERE'S LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS FOR A FEW OTHERS.
UM, SO WE'LL HEAR THOSE VOICEMAILS NOW.
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MY NAME IS DR. JEAN MORALES.UM, I RESIDE AT 2200 ABDO LANE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 4.
I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM ONE, ADDRESS 2 2 2 SOUTH ALAMO STREET IN ITEM 16 AT ADDRESS 909 0 4 9 0 6 9 0 8 WEST HOUSTON STREET AND ONE 11 NORTH RIO STREET.
DEAR MEMBERS OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN, HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, MY NAME IS DR.
I'M A THIRD CITIZEN AND FORMER HDRC MEMBER.
I'M WRITING REGARDING AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND 16 IN THE HEMISPHERE IN KETTLEMAN SQUARE DISTRICTS.
I RECOMMEND THE HDRC VOTE AGAINST THE HOTEL'S CONSTRUCTION AND THE HEMISPHERE SITE, AND AGAINST THE DEMOLITION OF BUILDING IN THE KETTLEMAN SQUARE DISTRICT.
THE COMMISSION REPRESENTS THE HISTORICAL VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT ALSO NEED TO UPHOLD THE IDEALS OF NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION BY OPPOSING THEIR DESTRUCTION.
BUILDING A 17 STORY HOTEL WILL CONTINUE TO BRUSH AWAY THE CITY HISTORY OF URBAN RENEWAL AND EXCLUDE SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS FROM DOWNTOWN.
IN THE 1960S, THE HEMI CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CLEARED FOR A SIX MONTH EVENT THAT LOST MONEY AND FEAR TACTICS BASED ON CRIME RATES WERE USED TO DEMOLISH BUILDINGS AND DISPLACE OVER 2300 RESIDENTS.
TODAY, DEVELOPERS IN DOWNTOWN AND CAMAN SQUARE USED SIMILAR WEAPONIZED FEAR TACTICS TO TRY TO DESTROY COMMUNITIES.
RATHER THAN PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR ITS PEOPLE, SEGREGATION, REDLINING, AND SUN CLEARANCE DIVIDED AND REMOVE REMOVED MANY PARTS OF SAN ANTONIO THAT WILL NEVER BE SEEN AGAIN.
HEMISPHERE FAMILIES STILL FEEL THE EFFECTS OF THIS BATTLE.
STILL, PLEASE LET THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE BUILDINGS REMAIN AS THEY HAVE SURVIVED ALONGSIDE A SUPPORTED COMMUNITY AROUND THEM IN THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE.
PLEASE DO NOT LET THE APPLICANT ITEM ONE AND 16 MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES AS HEMISPHERE BY IMPLEMENTING THE SAME OR REMEDIAL TECHNIQUES TO MISCONSTRUE DATA AND INFORMATION TO DESTROY HISTORY.
RESERVE THESE BUILDINGS AND NEIGHBORHOODS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS AND VOTE AGAINST ITEMS ONE AND SIX BECAUSE THERE IS HISTORICAL VALUE IN THESE SPACES THAT MUST BE PROTECTED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
I AM FROM DALLAS, TEXAS, AND I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM ONE AND ITEM 16.
I AM A HISTORIAN OF SAN ANTONIO AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, PRESENT MY OPINIONS AGAINST ITEMS ONE AND 16 AS THE ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE OF BOTH OF THESE AREAS HAVE ALREADY BEEN LOST TO INSTRUCTIONS AND THE URBAN RENEWAL ALREADY AS THE WIDENING OF THE HOUSTON STREET IN THE EARLY, UM, 19 HUNDREDS, THE WIDENING OF HOUSTON STREET CAUSED MANY BLOCKS TO HAVE MAJORITY OF THE DWELLINGS AND BUILDINGS DESTROYED, WHICH TOOK A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE OF THE SPANISH MISSION, UH, STYLE, THE SPANISH MISSION HOMES, AND ALSO THE ADOBE AND HAKA HOMES THAT WERE ALREADY THERE.
AND SO THIS TOOK AWAY A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE SPANISH, MEXICAN, AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO FORMALLY ON THE WEST SIDE.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE WIDENING OF THE HISTOR, THE HISTORY OF THE WIDENING OF STREETS AND THE DEVELOPMENT AND RENEWAL OF THESE AREAS LED TO THE GENTRIFICATION OF THE WEST SIDE, AND WHICH THEN ENDED UP LEAVING THE WEST SIDE, UM, OF SAN ANTONIO TO BE IGNORED AND HEAVILY DISPLACED OF MEXICAN RESIDENCE.
I AM AGAINST THIS BECAUSE IT IS ALSO PART OF THE URBAN RENEWAL ON TOP OF URBAN RENEWAL IN SAN ANTONIO.
IF SAN ANTONIO CARES ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY, WE SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER THE SUSTAINABILITY THAT OF THE CARBON FOOTPRINT THAT CAUSE IS CAUSED WIND REBUILDING AND DESTROYING THESE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION SITES.
AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, UM, BOTH OF THOSE VOICEMAILS ADDRESSED ITEMS ONE AND ITEM, UH, 16.
UM, ITEM 16 HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
SO WE HAVE A FEW OTHER VOICEMAILS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO 16 THAT WE WON'T NEED TO PLAY.
UM, AND THEN JUST FURTHER REFERENCE ITEMS 23 AND 24 HAVE ALSO BEEN POSTPONED.
UM, SO WITH THAT WE CAN ENTERTAIN ACTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANYTHING OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION? OKAY.
IF NOT, UH, I'M GOING TO STEP OUT AND RECUSE MYSELF.
THERE IS A CASE ON THE AGENDA THAT I NEED TO RECUSE, SO I'LL JUST RECUSE FOR THE ENTIRE AGENDA AND LET
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THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER CHAIR, UM, FETZER HAS LEFT THE ROOM.AND AT THIS POINT I CAN TAKE A MOTION VICE CHAIR.
I'LL DO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEM ONE THROUGH 13 WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UM, ANY COMMENTS? I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A, A MOMENT FOR A COMMENT ON ONE OF THE ITEMS RATHER THAN PULL IT.
UM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS FOR THE HISTORIC PLAQUES MARKERS ON THE HISTORIC EAST SIDE AS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT TWO, AND THIS WAS IN MY DISTRICT.
I, I DO WANNA SHARE, UM, GREAT COMMENDATIONS TO THE APPLICATION, TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS TO THE TEAM WORKING ON IT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NEEDED FOR SUCH A LONG TIME AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF IT.
UM, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, I BELIEVE.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE FINAL, BUT ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION OF PEOPLE, PLACES AND ACTIVITIES.
IT'S JUST SO VITAL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THIS IS, UM, I THINK THIS WILL BE A GREAT, A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR HISTORIC EAST SIDE.
MADAM COCHAIR, LIKE TO MAKE A, JUST A COMMENT, MR. ITEM ONE, MR. RECOGNIZE WOULD LIKE, WOULD LIKE TO JUST RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT WE'VE, UH, REVIEWED THE PROJECT OVER, UH, PRESENTATIONS THAT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO THE COMMISSION AND THAT IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE PROJECT IN ITS, UH, PROGRESS.
AND, UH, WE, WE, WE, WE HOPE THAT IT, IT COMES OUT THE WAY THAT IT'S DRAWN IN THESE DRAWINGS, WHICH IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE CASES? IF NOT, WE'RE READY FOR A ROLL CALL.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 22 SOUTH ALAMO, ONE 10 EAST HOUSTON, 2 21 NEWELL 1100 BROADWAY 2 58 QUENTIN, 4 36, LABOR 1149 EAST COMMERCE 8 32 EAST GUNTHER, 5 0 9 KING WILLIAM, EIGHT 19 EAST MULBERRY, 4 37 EAST MULBERRY, 3 0 2 FLORIDA, AND 1214 EAST CROCKETT.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO SAVE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED IN EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
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THANK YOU.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 23 4 78 13 0 4 EAST HOUSTON STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SIX LEVEL PARKING STRUCTURE AT 1304 EAST HOUSTON.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN AREA.
THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL BE BOUNDED TO THE NORTH BY EAST HOUSTON TO EAST AND SOUTH BY PRIVATE PROPERTY INTO THE WEST BY THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD TRACKS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE GARAGE WE PROPERLY SCREENED TO CONFORM WITH THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE IS NOTED IN FINDING D.
SCREENING SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE ENTIRETY OF EACH FACADE THAT CONCEALS SPANDREL AND PRECAST CONCRETE PANELS TO THE FULLY EXTENT POSSIBLE, PERFORATED METAL IS ACCEPTABLE PER THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT AN INCREASE OF 50% THE CURRENT PROPOSED OF CURRENTLY PROPOSED FACADE MATERIALS SHOULD BE INTRODUCED TO ALL NON-CONFORMING MATERIALS.
ELEVATOR AND STAIR TOWERS SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN SCREENING ATTEMPTS.
TWO, THAT THE EAST HOUSTON STREET FACADES BE FULLY DESIGNED TO APPEAR TO FEATURE ACTIVE SPACE AT THE GROUND LEVEL.
AS NOTED IN FINDING G STOREFRONT SYSTEMS SHOULD EXTEND THE EAST HOUSTON STREET FACADE, PARTICULARLY BENEATH THE PROPOSED PEDESTRIAN CANOPY.
AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION WOULD BE TO INSTALL EVERGREEN STREET TREES AS A SCREENING SOLUTION.
AS NOTED IN FINDING J THREE, THAT SIGNAGE AND PUBLIC RRP DEVELOPED IS SPECIFIED IN THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE.
AND NOTING AS NOTED IN FINDINGS, GNH FOUR, THAT BUILDING LIGHTING BE DESIGNED IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT PRODUCE LIGHT POLLUTION.
FIVE, THAT ALL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS ADHERE TO THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE.
AND SIX, THAT ANY FUTURE ROOFTOP CANOPY ELEMENTS BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFFER.
REVIEWING APPROVAL IS NOTED IN FINDING K UH, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, ANDREW DOUGLAS AND, UH, JEREMY AMI ARE HERE IN PERSON? YES, SIR.
WILL THE APPLICANTS COME UP PLEASE? UH, COMMISSIONERS.
I WILL NOTE THAT THERE IS, UH, AN UPDATED, UH, PACKET THAT I CAN PULL UP IF THE, A APPLICANT WOULD LIKE, I BELIEVE THAT HAS ADDITIONAL DIMENSIONS AS PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED.
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AGAIN.UH, CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE WORKING SO CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS
WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? ANDREW DOUGLAS WITH, UH, TBA DOUGLAS.
UM, WE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO JUST RESPOND BRIEFLY ON THE, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS.
UH, WE'RE HANDING OUT, UH, OUR RESPONSE, UH, REALLY WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, ALL BUT, UH, ONE AND TWO.
WE JUST WANNA TALK A BIT MORE ABOUT SPECIFICS.
UM, AND I'LL JUST READ OFF WHAT, WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE.
UH, WE DO AGREE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE, THE DOWNTOWN, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE USE OF VERTICAL SCREEN ELEMENTS TO MITIGATE THE HORIZONTAL EXPRESSION FOUND IN THE, IN THE PRE, IN THE PRECAST GARAGE.
WE ALSO AGREE THAT THE TOWER SHOULD HAVE METAL PANEL SCREENING WITH WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING ON THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE TOWER.
HOWEVER, WE ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SPECIFIC STIPULATION THAT CREASE BY 50% THE CURRENT FACADE MATERIAL.
THE DESIGN APPROACH TIES TO THE HISTORIC PRECEDENCE OF DOWNTOWN STRUCTURES THAT INTEGRATE BOTH VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL ARTICULATION.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE HORIZONTAL SPANDRELS ECHO THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL TECTONIC, UH, TRADITIONS OF WOVEN VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL LINES THAT MAKE UP THE CHARACTER SO MANY OF SAN ANTONIO'S SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES.
THE FOREIGN ELEMENTS, UH, FOR US IS USING THE GARAGES, UH, RAMP, THE RAMPING EXPRESSED BY BOTH ON THE, BOTH THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATION.
AND WE ARE ADDRESSING THIS WITH THE VERTICAL, UH, SCREEN PANELS TO BEST INTEGRATE THE WOVEN EXPRESSION.
THIS APPROACH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN, UH, GUIDELINES AS THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS ARE NOT PRIMARY ELEVATIONS AND DO NOT FACE ANY PUBLIC STREETS.
IN ADDITION, UH, THE INDUSTRIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH INCLUDES THE MERCHANDISE CAMPUS IS COMPRISED OF, UH, BUILDINGS THAT ARE SIMPLE MASSING WITH PUNCHED OPENINGS.
TO THAT END, WE BELIEVE SIMPLE MASSING OF THE CONCRETE STAIR TOWERS AS BOARD FORM CONCRETE MASONRY, UH, WHICH IS VERY MUCH A CONFORMING MATERIALS TO MERCHANTS, ALIGNS WITH THE AESTHETICS.
WE BELIEVE THE DESIGN NEEDS TO STRIKE THE APPROPRIATE BALANCE AND THEN NOT BE DRESSED UP IN A WAY THAT IS FOREIGN TO THE AREA.
UH, SO THAT'S STIPULATION NUMBER ONE.
STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, UH, WE AGREE WITH THE, THE DESIRE TO HAVE RETAIL OCCUPIED, UH, THE SPACE ALONG HOUSTON STREET.
UH, WE OFFICE DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THIS SITE, UH, WHERE THE STATE COFFEE IS LOCATED AND HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE HOUSTON HOUSTON STREET STUDIES THAT PROMOTE RETAIL ACTIVITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, UH, GIVEN THE CURRENT MARKING CONDITIONS, RETAIL AT THIS LOCATION'S NOT YET VIABLE.
UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS COULD CHANGE IN THE COMING YEARS.
WE HAVE DESIGNED FOR FUTURE RETAIL.
MOST OF THE EXISTING MASONRY WOULD BE REPLACED WITH STOREFRONT AND A GROUND LEVEL RETAIL, UH, LEVEL SPACE WOULD BE PROVIDED ALONG THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE, UH, PROVIDING, UH, VERY, UH, ROBUST LANDSCAPING ALONG HOUSTON STREET, ALONG WITH A MERCHANT SIZE MATERIAL PALLET ABOARD FORM, CONCRETE BRICK AND CLAY TILE METAL CANOPY, UH, METAL RAILS AND CANOPIES.
UH, THE REST OF THE STIPULATIONS, UH, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT ON, UM, AT THIS TIME ON S JEREMY UDE COME UP AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE PACKAGE.
THIS IS JEREMY HA WITH TBA DOUGLAS.
UM, I THINK I CAN ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC DESIGN QUESTIONS, BUT BEFORE I CAN JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT ANDREW WAS ADDRESSING, AND I'LL START WITH STIPULATION ONE.
UH, IF WE COULD GO TO THAT FIRST PERSPECTIVE.
UM, LOOKING AT THIS DESIGN, UM, AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THE DESIGN, WE DID ADD SCREENING TO THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE MAIN, UH, ELEVATOR TOWER.
AND IN WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGN OF THE SCREENING, WE FELT THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE RELIEF AS THE ELEVATION WAS GETTING TOO BUSY WITH PANELS.
SO WE DECIDED TO STOP THE PANEL, UM, RIGHT WHERE THE ENTRY IS.
AND WE DO BELIEVE THIS IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN, UH, DESIGN GUIDE AS THIS IS NOT A PRIMARY ELEVATION.
UH, THESE ARE SECONDARY ELEVATIONS AND THEY DO NOT FACE THE PUBLIC STREET.
AND THEN SECONDLY, IF WE GO TO STIPULATION TWO IN EDWARD, IF YOU MIND PULLING UP THE, THE FLOOR PLAN.
SO THAT BUILDING ON THE RIGHT THERE IS WHERE WE OFFICE.
IT'S, UH, IT'S HOUSES A STATE COFFEE AND DOUGLAS ARCHITECTS OR NOW TBA DOUGLAS.
AND SO WE'RE, THIS PROJECT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF RETAIL IN THIS COMMUNITY, UH, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO WE HAVE DEVELOPED A, WHAT WE CALL THE BUMP OUT.
YOU SEE THE MASSING OF THE PARKING AT ALL THE A DA STALLS BUMP OUT AN EXTRA FIVE FEET.
AND THIS WOULD GIVE US A 20 FOOT DEPTH
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THAT IS THE EXACT SAME DEPTH AS ESTATE COFFEE, AND AS ANDREW MENTIONED, WE WOULD REPLACE THE MASONRY WITH STOREFRONT.AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THESE TWO STIPULATIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? THERE ARE NO VOICEMAILS FOR, FOR THIS ITEM.
UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
IS THERE A PICTURE OF THE SOUTH FACADE, UH, REGARDING STIPULATION ONE? AND MAYBE STEPH, WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION OF WHICH ONES ARE THE NON-CONFORMING MATERIALS? UH, WE DO HAVE AN ELEVATION OF THE SOUTH FACADE.
UM, THIS IS THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER IS, OR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS THE SAME LANDOWNER AND THEY PLAN FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE SOUTH FACADE.
BUT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UH, POTENTIALLY ADDING A, UH, SANDBLASTED UPGRADED FINISH AND MAYBE A PAINTED BAN AS SIGNAGE UP TOP IN THE MEANTIME.
UM, IT DOES FACE PARKING LOT CURRENTLY.
UM, BUT WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO REALLY PLACE THE MONEY ON THE, ON THE MAIN PRIMARY FACADES.
SO THERE'S NO RENDERING THIS IS THE SAME MATERIAL ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
IT'S THAT LIKE KIND OF LIGHT CONCRETE? CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, FOLLOWING COMMISSIONER GROUP'S QUESTION, UM, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE PLANS FOR ADJACENT OR USE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, WHAT DO YOU GUYS ANTICIPATE THAT USED TO BE AS IT WOULD COME RIGHT UP WITH A ZERO LOT LINE, I'M ASSUMING.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE USE WOULD BE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THIS GARAGE WOULD BE EXPANDED TO POTENTIALLY DOUBLE THE FOOTPRINT.
SO IT'D BE FURTHER DEVELOPED AS ADDITIONAL PARKING? YES.
AND THEN, UM, IN YOUR RESPONSE IN Y'ALL'S RESPONSE FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE DESIGN APPROACH TIES TO HISTORIC PRECEDENTS OF DOWNTOWN STRUCTURES.
UM, CAN YOU PRESENT THOSE AND THE DATES OF THOSE HISTORIC PRECEDENTS? UH, YES, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE, BUT DO YOU HAVE THOSE NOW OR TODAY? I, I DO NOT.
UM, DO YOU KNOW ONE OR TWO OF THEM OFFHAND WHAT THEY MIGHT BE? UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I MEAN, THE TOWER OF LIFE HAS A VERY HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
UH, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE TOWER LIFE BUILDING.
I MEAN, MOST OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN THE DOWNTOWN ARE MADE UP OF LINES THAT ARE BOTH VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL.
UM, AND SO THE, THE, THE, THE APPROACH HERE IS REALLY TO, IS TO WEAVE THIS BUILDING TOGETHER MUCH LIKE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE.
UM, AND SO TECTONICALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S THE EXPRESSION WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WE, WE REALLY WANT TO, WE WANT TO, UH, ADDRESS THE RAMPING.
THE RAMPING IS REALLY THE FOREIGN ELEMENT ON THE GARAGE.
THAT'S THE THING THAT YOU DON'T SEE IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, AND SO WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO OVERCOME THAT BY CONCENTRATING THE PANELS, THE VERTICAL PANELS ON AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
WHEN, UM, YOU'RE MENTIONING HISTORIC PRECEDENT OF DOWNTOWN STRUCTURES, I ASSUME THAT YOU HAD GARAGE STRUCTURES THAT YOU WERE USING AS A PRECEDENT? NO.
WE'RE TALKING THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, JUST IN GENERAL BUILDINGS, QUALITIES OF THE DOWNTOWN STRUCTURES, YES.
COMMISSIONER LES, WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS, IS THERE AN ANTICIPATION THAT IF THERE WAS A, A BUILDING ATTACHED TO THE SOUTH, THEN IT CREATES A NEW SOUTH? RIGHT? I, IS THERE A AN ANTICIPATION THAT THAT NEW SOUTH WOULD BE DESIGNED OR IS THAT LEFT TO SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THERE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY WRAPPING THAT FACADE WITH MAYBE MULTI-FAMILY.
SO THE FACADE THEN IS NOT EXPANSION OF, OF PARKING.
UH, IT IS EXPANSION OF PARKING, BUT THEN THAT WOULD GET WRAPPED WITH POTENTIALLY MULTIFAMILY OR OFFICE AND NO, NO ANTICIPATED TIMELINE.
NO, NO IDEA OF 20 YEARS, 10 YEARS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE MASTER PLAN OF THE SITE, THE SOUTH THAT'S, UH, TRTF HAS PURCHASED.
AND THE IDEA IS TO KEEP THE, THE PARKING ALONG THE TRAIN TRACK AND THEN DEVELOP OUTWARD TOWARDS TERRY STREET WITH OFFICE SPACE AND BUILDING AND POTENTIALLY MULTIFAMILY.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE STRATEGIC THINKING OF THE, OF THE SOUTH TO THE SITE.
BUT, BUT, BUT IN, IN, IN TERMS OF THE, WHAT THE FUTURE CAN ANTICIPATE SEEING AS PART OF ITS LANDSCAPE, RIGHT.
THERE ISN'T ANYTHING YOU CAN SHOW US THAT SAYS, LOOK IN THE, IN THE END IT WON'T BE THIS, THIS WALL.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME MASTER PLAN EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.
THAT COULD BE, WE COULD SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD THAT WE SHOW KIND OF FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT.
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THANK YOU.OTHER QUESTIONS? IF THERE'S NONE, I'LL DO A MOTION COMMISSIONER GROUP.
I'LL DO A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH, UM, WELL, I'M GONNA START STIPULATION 3, 4, 5, AND SIX AND THEN STIPULATION ONE WITHOUT THE, UM, INCREASE OF THE 50% OF MATERIALS ON THE SOUTH FACADE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
COMMISSIONER GRU, DO YOU WISH TO AGREE? YEAH, I CAN JUST SAY, I MEAN, I, I THINK THE APPLICANT, UM, I THINK THE SOUTH, I MEAN THE APPLICANT DID PRESENT WELL THE REASON FOR THE, UH, THE SOUTH, UM, FACADE.
AND I, I ALSO, I MEAN, I, I LIKE HOW YOU'VE ALSO DONE EXTRA, UH, COMPARED TO WHAT YOU DID, YOU KNOW, IN THE FIRST PRESENTATION, YOU'VE REALLY ADDED A LOT MORE, UM, MATERIALS AND ALL THAT TO THE OTHER, UH, FACADES AND KEEPING IT INDUSTRIAL.
ALSO GO TO THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, I'M NOT LIKE SUPER EXCITED THAT THERE'S NO STOREFRONT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, BUT I DO THINK THAT YOU HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, I HAVE A NUMBER OF AREAS THAT I THINK COULD HAVE GONE A BIT FURTHER.
AND, UM, NUMBER ONE, I DO, I DO THINK BECAUSE OF THE SCREENING, UM, THE MINIMAL SCREENING, THE MINIMAL SCREENING, WE'RE REALLY NOT, NOT DOING MUCH MORE THAN SOME EXISTING PARKING GARAGES DOWNTOWN.
AND WE KNOW WHICH ONES THOSE ARE ON SOUTH ST ARE ON ST.
MARY'S AND THROUGHOUT, AND SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE A DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE TO BETTER ADDRESS SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.
SO MY HOPE WAS ALWAYS THAT WE COULD DO BETTER AND WE COULD DO, UM, CREATE PLACES, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A FREESTANDING PARKING GARAGE THAT WORKS BETTER WITH A PEDESTRIAN MIXED USE STREET SCAPE AND PEDESTRIAN REALM.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
SO I WONDER IF THE SCREENS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SCREENS COVER MORE OF THE ELEVATION, THE WOVEN TECTONICS AND WHATEVER DOESN'T FLOAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT WOVEN, IT'S OVERLAID.
THERE IS NO WEAVING, THERE'S NO INTEGRATION OF MATERIALS AND FLUCTUATION.
UM, WE JUST SAW A RENDERING HERE.
GO BACK A COUPLE, UM, GOING TO THE STREETSCAPE.
UH, LET'S JUMP TO THE STREET SCAPE.
I FEEL LIKE MORE CAN BE DONE INTERMITTENTLY BEFORE YOU ACTIVATE THAT AS A STOREFRONT.
IS THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO WITH THE BLOCKS, THE TERRACOTTA BLOCKS OPENING UP THAT SOLID WALL TO CREATE SOME RELIEF BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A, JUST A, UM, IT LOOKS VERY INDUSTRIAL.
IT DOESN'T LOOK CONDUCIVE TO, UM, UM, A PUBLIC REALM.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE TREES, TREES INTERFERING WITH THE LANE OF TRAFFIC.
AND SO, UM, I KNOW I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME.
I AM CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT THE SOUTH, UH, ELEVATION AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE WITHOUT HAVING ANOTHER PLAN TO ADD TO THAT SOUTH ELEVATION.
AND, UM, WHAT ELSE WAS THERE? PRIMARILY THE PEDESTRIAN REALM AND HOW DO WE IMPROVE THAT FROM WHAT WE HAD? PERHAPS 10 YEAR, WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT 10 YEARS AGO.
AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
BUT OTHERWISE, I, I LOVE THE, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE TOWER.
MR. CHAIR, CAN I RESPOND? YES, PLEASE.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS THERE.
AND WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT ON, ON MOST OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UH, WE, LIKE JEREMY MENTIONED, WE OFFICE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR US BECAUSE OUR BUILDING'S RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND I AGREE, UH, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT TO YOUR YOUR POINT, WE DID LOOK AT ONE POINT SOME BRUCEMORE BREEZE BLOCK, UH, OPENING OF THE BLOCK THERE.
UH, BUT WE, BUT IT WOULD BE LOOKING INTO THE CARS AND WE, WE LIKE THE IDEAS OF THE SIMPLE MATERIAL.
WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, UH, USING A MORE OF A BREEZE BLOCK EXPRESSION THERE, UH, WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU'RE WALKING ALONG THE SIDEWALK THERE TO THE RIGHT WHERE YOU SEE THE CLAY BLOCK.
UH, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS SORT OF AN ARTICULATED BREEZE BLOCK.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TOO DIFFICULT TO DO IT, ADD A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, A LITTLE MORE SCALE.
UM, KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS THE ONE THING THAT WE REALLY FOCUSED ON, AND DUNAWAY IS OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF ROBUST LANDSCAPING.
THIS WILL HAVE, THIS WILL BE THE MOST LANDSCAPE ANYWHERE ON THIS EXTENT OF THE HOUSTON STREET CORRIDOR ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO THIS IS GONNA SET THE PRECEDENT FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS AREA IN DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FROM HERE TO THE EXPRESSWAY, WORKING WITH THE CITY AND WITH THE, UH,
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UH, TRTF GROUP.SO, UH, THIS IS REALLY A, A, A FIRST PASS, UH, FIRST STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
UH, SO I, I THINK THAT, UH, THE LANDSCAPING COMBINED WITH THE MATERIAL THAT RELATES BACK TO MERCHANTS AND THE QUALITY OF THE MATERIAL, WHICH IT'S NOT JUST PORT CONCRETE.
IT'S A FIRED BLOCK THAT HAS A LOT OF, UH, MATERIALITY TO IT, TEXTURE AND FITS IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
IT'S WHAT SHE AS A PEDESTRIAN COME UP CLOSE TO.
WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AND KINDA REINFORCES THAT SORT OF INDUSTRIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE, OF THE MERCHANTS, UH, CAMPUS.
UM, I, I WANTED TO ADDRESS YOU THE SECOND RIGHT THAT I'M, I'M EXCITED FOR YOU, HOPE YOUR PROJECT GOES WELL, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT BEING COMPLETED.
I, I WANNA, UH, UH, UH, GIVE YOU A COMMENT TO, TO THE DESIGN.
UM, IT, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A WELL BALANCED DESIGN AND I LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU DID BREAK UP THE, THE, THE SCREEN AND ALLOWED THE HORIZONTAL LINES TO, TO KIND OF STAND ON THEIR OWN.
UH, THE ONE CRITICAL, UH, ADVICE THAT, THAT, THAT I'D LIKE, UH, TO ASK YOU TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER WHEN YOU GET TO THE SOUTH ELEVATION, I KNOW STAFF, IF YOU CAN THROW THE SOUTH ELEVATION UP, IT'S A VERY SIMPLE ELEVATION.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ARCHITECTURAL ABOUT IT, WHICH I THINK IS, UM, KIND OF A CONTRADICTION TO, TO THE REST OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE AREA, I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE, THE ONE THING THAT COULD BE LOST IS THE MANUFACTURING, UH, AESTHETIC, WHICH IS REAL IMPORTANT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY IN THE CORNER OF DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT AND THE OTHER CORNERS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT EXPERIENCE, KINDA LIKE THE MEAT PACKING DISTRICT IN CHICAGO, RIGHT? SO, SO THE RED TILE ALL, IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU GET TO THE SOUTH ELEVATION, IT SEEMS THAT YOU HAVE ALL THESE ELEMENTS THAT, THAT DON'T REALLY ASK YOU TO MAKE A, A HARD LINE, HIGH LEVEL COMMITMENT.
UM, THAT, THAT ANY, AND YOU HAVE ALMOST A SYMMETRY THERE.
IT, IT SEEMS THAT YOU COULD TAKE SOME OF THOSE VERTICAL LINES AND PLACE THEM IN HOWEVER, TEMPORARILY THAT YOU PLACE THEM IN.
BUT, BUT, SO THAT THERE'S SOME EFFORT, IF NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, COMING SOON.
BUT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT IN, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S ANY HICCUPS IN THAT PLAN THAT, THAT SOME OF THE, THE, THE VERTICAL SCREENING ELEMENTS THAT YOU PLACED IN THE OTHER AREAS, PERHAPS THERE'S LIGHTER WAYS TO ASSEMBLE, LESS COMMITTED WAYS TO ASSEMBLE, RIGHT? UH, BECAUSE IN THE END, WHEN WHEN IT'S BUILT, IT'S THERE IN THE SOUTH ELEVATION, IT, IT DOESN'T DO JUSTICE TO ALL OF THE, THE REALLY FINE BALANCING WORK THAT YOU DID.
SO I, I WOULD REALLY SERIOUSLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER OUTSIDE OF ANY COMMITMENT HERE IN THE COMMISSION, RIGHT? BUT ON YOUR OWN THAT YOU CONSIDER IT.
THAT, I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT POINTS.
UM, ONE THING I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT WE ARE GONNA COME BACK WITH THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT WITH GARAGES.
AND WE DO WANT TO ALIGN WITH THE TRADITION OF THE MERCHANTS BUILDING WITH THE PAINTED VAN.
AND SO WE HAVE IDEAS ON THE STAIR TOWERS, THE FRONT ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING THAT IN.
SO I THINK THAT'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.
BUT, BUT WE'LL TAKE YOUR COMMENT SERIES.
WELL, WELL EVEN THE, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS JUST TO YOUR COMMENT THAT THE ICE BUILDING, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, CHAIRMAN, DO WE HAVE TIME FOR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO SPEAK, MR. KENNEDY? YES.
I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UM, I'M, I'M SORRY I'M RUNNING LATE.
I HAD A BOARD MEETING AND WE JUST HAD A LITTLE WALKTHROUGH FOR THE FOUR STORY BUILDING IN WHICH WE EXPECT THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TOMORROW.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED AND THANKS TO ANDREW AND HIS TEAM, UM, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE ANXIOUS TO BE A, TO POSITION OURSELVES TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS GARAGE.
I WILL SAY THAT, UM, UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE, AND IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF QUIET.
WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY BIG PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT OUR, AND WHEN I SAY OUR, I REALLY AM TALKING ABOUT TRANS PCUS BANKS, WHICH IS THE ENTITY THAT I'M THE PRINCIPAL SHAREHOLDER OF, THAT IS FUNDING AND IS THE OWNER OF THIS BUILDING.
TRTF, UH, TEXAS RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY FOUNDATION HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER AND A GREAT LEADER, UM, A GREAT TEAM THAT THEY'VE HAD, AND THE LEADERSHIP THAT RANDY HERRICK HAS SHOWN TO GET US TO THIS POINT.
I MEAN, I HAVE TO CREDIT RANDY FOR, FOR THAT.
THEY CONTINUE TO BE PARTNERS WITH US, BUT WE, UM, THEY CONTRIBUTED THE LAND AND WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE CONTRIBUTED ALL THE DOLLARS.
THE DOLLARS HAVE BASICALLY MORE THAN DOUBLED THE COST OF WHAT WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.
SO HISTORIC RENOVATION, AS I'M SURE THIS GROUP KNOWS, IS VERY EXPENSIVE, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST 24 MONTHS.
SO WE'RE REALLY SENSITIVE TO ALL OF THE THINGS WE WANNA BE SENSITIVE.
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TIME, YOU KNOW, UH, IN INVOLVED IN PROFESSIONAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS THIS, AS WELL AS MY DAD WHO'S ABOUT TO TURN 94, UH, HAS A HISTORY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO, UH, KNOW HIM OF, UH, WORK ON THE RIVER AND, UM, AND, UH, THE SENSITIVITY TO, TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WHICH IS A HALLMARK THAT WE CAN SU BE COMPLETELY PROUD OF.AND WE WANT TO CARRY ON THAT TRADITION.
UM, AGAIN, CHALLENGED BY COSTS AND BALANCING THESE CONSIDERATIONS.
SO APPRECIATE YOUR APPROACH TO THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA, UH, DO THE VERY BEST WE CAN AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT, UH, SHOWING YOU ALL WHAT OUR PRODUCT LOOKS LIKE.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME APPEAR, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MR. SAVINO? YES, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION AND THAT AMENDMENT WOULD BE, UM, TO MODIFY ITEM NUMBER TWO TO READ THAT THE EAST HOUSTON FACADE BE FULLY DESIGNED TO APPEAR TO FEATURE ACTI ACTIVE SPACE IN THE GR AT THE GROUND LEVEL, AS NOTED IN FINDING G STOREFRONT SYSTEMS SYSTEMS. LET'S SEE, HOLD ON A MINUTE, AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
AT THE ROUND LEVEL FINDING G, AN ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE SOLID TERRACOTTA BLOCK WALL TO A PERFORATED DESIGN SECOND.
AND I JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THAT SOLUTION BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT IS ALL IMPORTANT TO, UM, ACTIVATING THE STREET LEVEL, WHICH WILL THEN DETERMINE HOW THE MARKET VIABILITY OF THOSE SPACES ARE.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT REAL EXCITED, BUT WE LOOKED AT THE PERFORATE IDEA, BUT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF METAL AT THE CANOPY, A PERFORATED DESIGN.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE BLOCK, IT COULD BE ANOTHER MATERIAL I'M GIVING.
I'D LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE THAT FREEDOM.
UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S A CLARIFICATION UHHUH.
SO I LIKE HOW THE TERRACOTTA IS RELATING TO THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, BUT SO YOU'RE NOT SPECIFYING MATERIAL.
IT COULD BE LIKE A TERRACOTTA WALL WITH MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOME YES.
SO YEAH, SO, SO LIKE A BREEZE BLOCK OR SOME SORT OF YES.
SOMETHING CREATE THAT VISUAL AND THAT TEXTURAL RELIEF.
AND BECAUSE I, I THINK THE, THE MATERIAL PANEL THAT YOU'RE USING IS, IS WONDERFUL.
AND WE, WE DID LOOK, WE HAVE STUDIED THAT, SO YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
AND I WOULD, UH, SUPPORT THAT AMENDMENT.
I THINK, UH, ADDING SOME PERFORATIONS INTO HERE, BREEZE BLOCK OR OPENINGS OR ANYTHING, EVEN IF IT WAS ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THE WALL.
WHERE YOU'RE STILL SCREENING THE, THE VEHICLES.
BUT YOU HAVE SOME RELIEF, UH, FOR THE PEDESTRIANS AND, UH, RELIEF ON THAT.
UH, WHAT IS IT ABOUT A NINE FOOT TALL WALL? MM-HMM.
AND I WOULD LOOK AT YOUR, UM, WHAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IS THE, UM, SPECIES OF TREES AND HOW THAT INTERACTS WITH THE, UH, STREET, YOU KNOW, HOW TALL IS, YOU KNOW, BUSES AND, UH, BOX TRUCKS AND DRIVING THROUGH THERE, HOW, WHAT'S THE BOTTOM CANOPY GONNA BE? RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I APOLOGIZE, WE DID, UH, PER THE REVIEW WE HAD LAST WEEK, WE DID MEET WITH OUR LANDSCAPE, UH, ARCHITECT ON THAT.
I DUNNO IF HOLLY'S ON THE LINE RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, SHE EMAILED US BACK AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, KINDA A TWO PAGE MEMO SHOWING HOW IT COMPLIES TO CODE AND, AND HOW IT, IT WILL BE DESIGNED TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN.
AND THEN I AGREE THAT, UH, SOME MORE ATTENTION TO THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE ON THE AMENDMENT, MR. CHAIR? YES.
I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF CAN ZOOM IN ON, UH, PAGE 14.
IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF AN ANGLED ELEVATION, AND IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN TO THAT, WHERE THE CAR'S COMING OUT NOW, I, I, I, I, UM, HAVE, HAVE DEEP RESPECT FOR THE, FOR THE OPINION THAT'S BEEN VOICED IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE BREEZE BLOCK.
HOWEVER, UH, AT THE SAME TIME WHEN LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE IN THAT AREA, IT, IT, IT IS EVEN MORE MONOLITHIC THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE.
SO THE TRANSPARENCY OCCURS ABOVE GROUND LEVEL SURE.
THAT THAT MAY HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, BUT THAT EXPERIENCE TO THE LEVEL OF, SAY THE ICE BUILDING OR THE LOADING DOCK IS, IS AN EVEN HARSHER HISTORIC EXPERIENCE.
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BUT ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN DOWN THERE IN THE RECENT PAST, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN ANOMALY IN, IN THE DOWNTOWN LANDSCAPE, IT'S ACTUALLY VERY BEAUTIFUL IN IN HOW SPECIAL THE MEMORY OF IT IS.SO, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CORNER, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE BLOCK HAS BEEN PULLED AWAY AND HOW THE SCREENS COME DOWN IN A DIMENSION THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY PRESENTS THESE VERY SENSITIVE, SENSITIVELY CRAFTED REVEALS.
AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TO, TO SEE ANY OF THAT OTHERWISE IS THEY'RE JUST, JUST, UH, FLAT ELEVATIONS, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE SHADOW AND, AND, AND, AND PRESENT A REALLY, UM, KINDA MONUMENTAL EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH ELEVATION, BUT THESE OTHER ELEVATIONS THAT ARE ON, ON THE STREET SIDE.
SO THERE, THERE'S ALMOST A, A QUESTION TO BE ASKED, A REAL PERSONAL QUESTION AS TO WHETHER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE STARKNESS OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT AND, AND, AND, AND KIND PRIESTLY, UH, COMMITMENT TO THAT OR THE, THE, A CONSTANT IRKING TO SAY, WELL, IT, IF I HAD DONE IT, I WOULD'VE DONE THIS EVEN IF THE PAST, IT DOESN'T DO THAT.
I, I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE, OF MORE SO OF THE PROJECT, UH, THAN OF THE, OF THE DIFFERENCES IN OPINIONS OF THE DETAILS.
BUT, UH, I'M AFRAID THAT THAT, THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE DONE DESIGN-WISE, UM, COULD BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY JUST SAYING BREEZE BLOCK.
AND THEN LOOKING AT THAT IN THE 1940S, I MEAN THE 1950S AND 1960S, HOW SOMETIMES IT LOOKS REALLY PRETTY ON A DRAWING, BUT IN REALITY IT CAN END UP LOOKING TRENDY, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CRITICISMS THAT I, I COULD HAVE OF, OF, UH, PARKING GARAGES DOWNTOWN.
SO THIS, I THINK IT, IT BATTLE IT, IT DOES A GOOD BATTLE AGAINST THE TRENDY.
AND, AND, AND I'M IN NO WAY SAYING THAT THE COMMENT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE TRENDY.
I, I, I KNOW THAT WHAT THE COMMON IS SAYING IN TERMS OF THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, I JUST WOULD HATE TO LOSE THE VALUE OF THAT KIND OF BRUTALIST MONUMENTALITY OF LIKE THE ICE BUILDING.
AND THE STIPULATION REGARDING THE, UM, PERFORATIONS OR, UH, WHETHER IT'S BREEDS BLOCK OR SOMETHING ELSE, IS FOR THE EAST HOUSTON FACADE AND NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING WHERE THE, THE FUTURE STOREFRONT WOULD WOULD COME INTO, UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? I UNDERSTAND SAVINA AYE VELAZQUEZ NAY GALLOWAY AYE.
AND NOW WE WILL VOTE ON THE I'LL RETRACT MY, YOU DON'T, WE DON'T NEED IT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION NOW THAT WAS VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT.
AND NOW WE VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15 HDRC CASE 2023 DASH 2 43 4 11 EAST EVERGREEN.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL TWO FIXED ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE IN WINDOWS OPENING ONE AND TWO, MEASURING APPROXIMATELY SEVEN, 7.4 FEET BY 4.4 FEET.
TWO, INSTALL FIXED ALUMINUM TRANS SIDE LIGHTS, SALV, WHICH WITH DOORS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, FRONT FACADE OPENINGS, THREE IN SALT WOOD BALCONY RAILING.
AND FOUR, REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT FLOOR PORCH DECKING WITH BOARDS INSTALLED PARALLEL TO THE FRONT FACADE, FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE ITEM ONE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF TWO FIXED ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE AND WINDOWS OPENINGS ONE AND TWO.
PACE ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT FULLY WOOD ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS ARE INSTALLED THAT DO NOT MODIFY THE EXISTING OPENING AND FUTURE TRADITIONAL OPERATIONS.
NEW WINDOWS MUST NEED THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
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WANT ME TO READ THE WINDOWS STIPULATIONS? I BELIEVE IT.THEY'RE JUST STANDARD STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES.
UM, ITEM TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF NEW WINDOWS AND SALVAGE DOORS WITHIN THE EXISTING OPENINGS BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE SAME WINDOW STIPULATIONS.
ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WOOD RAIL INSTALLATION OF BALCONY BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS, TWO STAFF OR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A MEASURE ELEVATION DRAWING OF THE PROPOSED RAILING FOR STAFF TO REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS SUPERIOR REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT FLOOR PORCH DECKING BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH DECKING SHOULD FEATURE ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE.
WOULD MEMBERS LEAD PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE PLANE AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, GLADYS, IS HERE IN PERSON.
HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.
I'M THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HER ME TODAY.
UM, I'M HERE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS, UH, TO REQUEST APPROVAL OF TWO FIXED ALUMINUM WINDOWS, UH, ON THE FRONT FAAC FACADE OF THE WINDOWS OPENING ONE AND TWO.
I THINK THEY'RE LIKE THE, YEAH.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT I HAVE SPENT OVER 269, $500,000 AT THIS MOMENT IN, IN THIS PROJECT, UH, AND IS NOT FINISHED YET TO INFORM YOU THAT I HAVE BEEN REMODELING THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT MODIFYING THE EXTERNAL STRUCTURES.
AND TO CLARIFY SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT THE PROJECT, IF THOSE EXIST.
UM, I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.
I FELL IN LOVE WITH THE ATMOSPHERE IN GENERAL, AND THAT'S WHY I DECIDE TO INVEST HERE.
EVEN IF IT WAS A CHALLENGING PROJECT, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURES AND THE EXISTING FILES, THE PROPERTY WASN'T, IT WASN'T A PER CONDITION AND I WANTED TO REMODEL TO MAKE IT SAFER AND BETTER LOOKING.
FOUR LEBANESE EVERGREEN IS A HOUSE THAT NEEDS SIGNIFICANT REMODEL.
UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND REGULATION AND DEFINITELY IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN CHALLENGING BEING IN THIS PROCESS OF REMODELING A PROPERTY IN HISTORY DISTRICT.
I FOUND IT HARD TO EXPLAIN MY DESIRE TO TRANSFORM THIS PROPERTY.
AND IT WAS ALSO HARD TO EXPLAIN THAT I DIDN'T FEEL THE SUPPORT, UM, AS AN INVESTOR AND OWNER TO INCENTIVIZE THESE KIND OF PROJECTS.
I HAVE BEEN AFFECTED ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS BY SECURITY ISSUES IN THIS AREA, BULGAR TO MY HOUSE AND MY CAR, BUT I STILL HAVE THE DESIRE TO SEE THIS FINISH AND COMPLETELY RENOVATED SOON BECAUSE IT'S NOW MY HOME.
UM, I PLANTED MINOR CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR, KEEPING THE SAME STRUCTURE AND THE SIGN I PRESERVE THE EXISTING OPENINGS ON THE FACADE WINDOWS USING THE MATERIAL THAT, UH, THE HOUSE HAS IN THE OTHER ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY NOW.
UM, AND YEAH, AFTER THE REVIEWING THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE GUIDELINES, I CONFIRMED THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE HISTORIC DESIGN AND THE REASON WHY THIS DEPARTMENT EXISTS, I FELT I COMPROMISE TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING WINDOWS, AND I'M PLANNING TO ATE AND RESTORE IN THE FUTURE, THE 47 WINDOWS BECAUSE EACH ONE NEEDS A RIPPER, EVEN IF IT'S, IF THAT WILL COST ME AT LEAST 37, $600,000, EACH ONE IS LIKE $800 FOR EACH WINDOW TO REPAIR AND THE WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, I HAVE A QUOTE FOR, FOR THAT.
UM, IN OUR LAST POLLING MEETING HERE, I WAS ASKED TO PRESERVE THE OPENING AND THAT'S WHAT I DID.
I FAILED ARREST DUE TO THE LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO IS TRYING TO WATCH THE PROPERTY FROM THE STREET, UM, TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT IT.
AND I ALSO FELT AFRAID EVERY TIME THAT SOMEONE STOPS AND SAY GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE PROJECT, I'M WORKING LIKE EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY OVER THERE.
UM, SO HERE ARE SOME CORPORATIONS AND INSPIRATIONS.
I THINK ON THE NUMBER 17, I THINK GO LIKE DOWN.
YES, THOSE HISTORIC DISTRICT CORPORATION.
SO I DROVE BY THE STREETS, BY MYSELF.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE THE INSPIRATION OF THE WINDOWS.
AND ALSO IT WAS DIFFICULT AND OVERPRICED TO FIND WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE.
UM, I WENT TO LIKE A FEW PLACES AND IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE, UH, TO FIND LIKE JUST
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THE SAME WINDOWS.UM, I WILL APPRECIATE YOUR HELP IN SUPPORT IN PROTECTING MY INTERESTS AND THE SAME CONSIDERATION THAT YOU GAVE TO OTHERS.
I'M ASKING TO KEEP THE WINDOWS IN FRONT OF THIS FACADE AND YOUR HELP.
I ALREADY SPENT A LOT OF TIME, MONEY AND I AFFORD TO SEE THESE BIG DIFFERENCE IN MY HOUSE.
I'M ALWAYS THERE, AS YOU CAN CONFIRM WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CITY THAT VISITED THE HOUSE.
I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO TALK AND OPEN THE DOOR FOR MY HOUSE TO ANY, ANY TIME.
AND ANYONE, DO YOU NEED, UM, ANY OF YOUR REQUESTS? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT I MADE THE RIGHT DECISION INVESTING IN THIS COMMITTEE AND I TRUST IN THIS, UM, SYSTEM AND I REALLY SACRIFICE A LOT OF TIME, UM, JUST TO BECAME THIS, UH, REALITY.
AND I HOPE THAT JUST TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT, UM, FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN THE CITY.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON.
I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE HAS APPRO, WAS APPROACHED BY THE OWNER CONCERNING REHAB, UH, OF THIS PROPERTY.
WE APPRECIATE THAT SHE'S WORKING TO RECLAIM ONE OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN TOBIN HILL.
WITH THAT IN MIND, WE BELIEVE THAT THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING SHOULD BE RETURNED TO ITS ORIGINAL APPEARANCE.
PORCH AND BALCONY WORK SHOULD NOT BE UNDERTAKEN WITHOUT REVIEW BEFORE REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY OHP STAFF.
ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING SHOULD NOT BE MODIFIED TO FIT DIFFERENT WINDOWS AND WORK IN VIOLATION OF THE GUIDELINES SHOULD BE CORRECTED.
THIS CAN BE A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, BUT NOT WITH THE METAL FRAME WINDOWS, SIDELIGHTS, TRANSOMS AND MORE, WHICH HAVE RECENTLY, RECENTLY BEEN INSTALLED WITHOUT REVIEW.
WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
AS ALWAYS, WE THANK THE HCRC FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION OF THIS STATEMENT.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I DO HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, YOU WERE HERE, UH, WOULD YOU COME UP? YEAH, SIX MONTHS AGO.
AND SO I GUESS WE DISCUSSED THE FRONT WINDOWS AND THE MATERIALS AND THEN WE MOVED THAT TURN CONTINUANCE.
SO YOU JUST MET AND MOVED FORWARD OR WHAT HAPPENED THERE? I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU JUST WENT AHEAD AND INSTALLED, YOU KNOW THAT YEAH, I REMEMBER THEY, UM, I THINK IT WAS LIKE A MISUNDERSTANDING BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT YOU ASKED MADE TO KEEP THE SAME OPENING BECAUSE IT WASN'T AN EXISTING WINDOW, LIKE ON THE NUMBER ONE AND THE NUMBER TWO.
IT WAS JUST A, I THINK, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION? AND I THINK IT WASN'T SO MUCH ABOUT THE OPENING, IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE TYPE OF WINDOW THAT YOU WERE INTRODUCING.
AND THEN YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA GO BACK AND WE SUGGESTED THAT YOU LOOK AROUND AND FIND SOMETHING, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A FINAL.
UM, NEVER WAS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MODIFICATIONS OF THE SECOND FLOOR? HOW DID THAT BECOME A MISUNDERSTANDING? MY REQUEST, LIKE THE, THE LAST REQUEST LIKE SIX MONTHS AGO, IT WAS JUST TO BRING ONE OF THE BACK WINDOWS AND USE THEM ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN USE ME LIKE TO JUST SAVE OR KEEP THE SAME OPENING AND THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, I USED LIKE ONE OF THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT IT WAS ON THE HOUSE OF THE INTERIOR AND THEN I JUST KEPT LIKE THE SAME OPENING.
JUST, UH, CAN I JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFI MM-HMM.
UM, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THE LAST TIME WAS HERE WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THAT, UM, WE WEREN'T RECOMMENDING THE WINDOWS THAT WERE PROPOSED AT THE TIME.
WE WERE INSTEAD RECOMMENDING A STIPULATION THAT SALVAGED OR NEW WINDOWS THAT FIT THE EXISTING OPENINGS BE USED INSTEAD.
UM, AFTER DISCUSSION, THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOWS INSTALLED AT THOSE LOCATIONS WAS CONTINUED TO A FUTURE HEARING, UM, IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILED MEASUREMENTS ABOUT THE CURRENT OPENINGS, UM, AND THEN MEASUREMENTS AT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS.
AND SO THERE WAS AN OUTSTANDING QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WAS TO BE INSTALLED.
CAN I ALSO ADD TO THAT, UM, REGARDING THE SECOND FLOOR BALCONY WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST TIME AT THE, ON THE REQUEST LANGUAGE, IT DOES SAY THAT THE ITEMS ON THE SECOND FLOOR BALCONY WERE NOT UP FOR CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME.
SO SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK.
AND WHAT HAS MADE, WHAT HAVE, HAS THERE BEEN DONE THERE COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS? I MEAN, IT'S THE ELEMENT FRAME, THE MATERIALS OF THE WINDOWS, RIGHT? THE OPENING STILL THE SAME.
SO THERE'S, UM, WELL I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, UM, CONFIRM THAT THEY ARE THE SAME OR NOT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I FOUND OUT UPON
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GETTING THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THIS HEARING.UM, SO THAT THERE'S THE INSTALLATION OF TRANSOM LIGHT TRANSOMS AND SIDE LIGHTS AND THE INSTALLATION OF WOOD DOORS AND THE BALCONY RAILING.
UM, I CAN GO TO THE FOLLOWING.
THE PREVIOUS, NO, SO WE, THE OLD PICTURES, WE SEE THAT THERE WAS OPENINGS.
SO NOW THE QUESTION IS ONE IS THE MATERIAL RIGHT, THE ALUMINUM MATERIAL.
AND SECOND IS IF THERE WERE MODIFICATIONS IN THE OPENINGS.
AND YOU SAY YOU HAVEN'T MODIFIED ANYTHING.
BUT YOU JUST INTRODUCED THE METAL ALUMINUM YES, THE ALUMINUM.
AND THEN ON THE FRONT DOOR DOWNSTAIRS AND I'LL BE GREAT.
WHAT OTHER CHANGES WERE THERE? JUST THE UM, PORCH.
BUT ON THE FRONT DOOR YOU REMOVED SOME OF THE, MOVED THAT ONE UP TO THE LEFT CORNER AND THAT'S FINE PER STAFF.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES THERE OR? I TOOK, UH, IF YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE LEFT? YEAH.
AND, AND I JUST TOOK LIKE THAT ONE JUST TO PUT THAT ON THE LEFT.
UM, UPPER PART, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE, DOES THAT COMPLY WITH WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED? NO, THAT WASN'T UP FOR CONSIDERATION.
IT WAS NOT UP FOR CONSIDERATION.
BUT SHE DOES HAVE, UM, APPROVAL ON FILE FOR THE REPAIR OF THE TRANSOM AND THE SIDELIGHTS.
SO AT THIS TIME WE DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE AS SUGGESTED IT'S GOING TO BE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW WHERE THAT, UM, SIDELIGHT ON THE RIGHT IS MISSING.
BECAUSE I DO SEE A MODIFICATION, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE THAT PART OF THE WINDOW THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND WHERE ORIGINALLY IT HAD WOOD.
SO I JUST WANT LIKE THAT'S A CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN INTRODUCED.
THE, THE CHANGE ON OF THE DOOR.
I, WE JUST STOP EVERYTHING, UH, BECAUSE I RECEIVED THAT EMAIL AND THEN SO THAT'S, IS THAT THE NEW ONE? YEAH.
SO THE GUY THAT HE WAS LIKE JUST WORKING TOLD ME THAT WE CAN JUST TAKE THE, THE PART THAT WAS ON THE RIGHT TO COMPLETE THE FIRST PART OF THE TOP ON THE LEFT, UM, SIDE.
SO IT JUST THE SAME, WE JUST TAKE THE, WE JUST TOOK THE SAME TO USE THAT IN THE LEFT SIDE AND WE STILL WORKING ON THE, ON THE DOOR.
THE PLAN TO COMPLETE EVERYTHING.
BUT WE USE JUST ONE PART TO PUT THAT ON THE LEFT SIDE.
IF YOU COMPARE AND THE PLAN IS TO COMPLETE, OBVIOUSLY COMMISSIONER SAVINO, IF THERE, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT IF ANYBODY, UM, I'M GOOD TO MAKE A MOTION IF ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S OKAY.
CAN I JUST ASK ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T GET TO ASK 'EM.
OH, AND I WAS JUST, MY LAST QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE FRONT PORCH.
SO IT'S BOTH THE WAY THAT THE WOOD IS INSTALLED, IS IT INSTALLED ABOVE OR DID YOU REMOVE THE OLD WOOD REMOVED? BECAUSE IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A POWDER AND, AND SO WE JUST REMOVED IT AND WE DID THE SUPPORTS AND IT WAS DIFFICULT ALSO TO WALK TO THERE.
SO, AND, AND THE NEW WOOD INTRODUCED IS JUST REGULAR WOOD UHHUH BY FORCE TWO BY SIXES TWO, TWO BY FOUR? I THINK SO.
I HAVE A QUESTION AND IT MAY, IT MAY NOT EVEN BE RELEVANT, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND I'M LOOKING TO MY FEDERAL COMMISSIONER FOR SOMETHING TO, TO PUT LIKE ON THE, UH, ON THE DOOR FACADE, YOU HAD THE LITTLE SNOWFLAKE DESIGN OR STAR DESIGN ON THE WINDOWS.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT SOMETHING OVER THE, OVER THE WINDOWS TO THE EXISTING WINDOWS SO THAT IT MAINTAINS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE, SAME THING ON THE BORDERS AND THAT SORT OF, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I WILL APPRECIATE THAT.
LIKE TO NOT SPEND MORE MONEY ON THAT IF I CAN JUST MODIFY THOSE WINDOWS AND I DON'T HAVE THE IDEA OF, OF THE GLASS WINDOWS.
IT WAS LIKE THAT WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, RIGHT? IT WASN'T THERE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, LEMME GET BACK HERE.
UM, ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND.
FOR THE, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION, THIS IS, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE.
THIS IS INCREDIBLE AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE IN THAT COLLECTION THAT IS TOBIN HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO I SEE THAT IT IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE AS THE COMMUNITY GROUP MENTIONED THAT THE FRONT FACADE BE ORIGINAL, BE AS ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I THINK THAT, UM, OUR WINDOWS IN THE FRONT NEED TO BE REPLACED WITH, UM, UM, STANDARD CITY STANDARD WINDOWS, OR WINDOWS THAT FIT THE CITY STANDARD, UM, FOR
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HISTORIC WINDOWS.UM, THE RAILING, UM, UH, LET'S SEE.
LEMME SKIP TO THE PORCH DECKING.
I THINK THE PORCH DECKING IS VERY IMPORTANT.
IT SHOULD BE A TONGUE AND GROOVE PORCH.
THERE IS A CERTAIN LOOK ABOUT IT THAT A STRAIGHT BOARD RUN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION DOES NOT PROVIDE.
BUT ASIDE FROM ALL OF THAT, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A VERY EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR.
THESE ALWAYS ARE, IF THIS IS YOUR HOME, YOUR HOUSE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR BUSINESS AND DIFFERENT THINGS OPERATING.
UM, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO PHASE THE PROJECT AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT ARE MOST, MOST IMPORTANT.
LIKE THE FACADE, LIKE THE FRONT AND THE WINDOWS CAN BE DONE LATER, THE FAC SIDE AND THE REAR WINDOWS IN THOSE AREAS.
AND THEN YOU CAN USE YOUR EFFORTS ON THE INSIDE SO YOU CAN GET IT ACTIVATED.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A WAY, ANOTHER WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE.
JUST MAKE THAT THOSE FUNCTIONAL, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I NEED LIKE THE CIRCULATION.
I ALREADY INSTALLED LIKE MANY SPLITS FOR EACH UNIT.
AND LIKE THE REWARD, LIKE THE ENTIRE HOUSE.
UM, SO I REALLY WANT JUST TO HAVE THE WINDOWS LIKE FUNCTIONAL FOR THE GENERAL NECESSITY.
SO THEY MAY NOT HAVE TO BE REPLACED JUST RIGHT NOW.
I JUST WANNA IMPRESS UPON YOU THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT FACADE AND THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER OF THAT FACADE.
AND I'M STILL WORKING AND, AND I I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH FIRST THE FACADE FOR SURE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EXISTED POSSIBILITY TO JUST, TO SOME MODIFICATION TO THE WINDOWS THAT I ALREADY HAVE OR IF I SHOULD JUST USE THE, THAT, THAT WALL OR YOU ARE GOING TO NEED TO INSTALL WOOD WINDOWS THAT, UM, CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES AND WHAT ORIGINALLY CONFIGURATION THAT ORIGINALLY WOULD'VE BEEN IN THESE WINDOWS.
SO, UM, BUT I'LL ALLOW OTHERS TO PROVIDE CONTACT.
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE AN AMENDMENT.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I, I'D LIKE TO PUT AN AMENDMENT THAT ALLOW THE, THE APPLICANT TO PUT A WOOD MATERIAL TO COVER, UH, THE SIDE OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE, UH, TO BRING THE WINDOW UP TO, UH, UP TO APPEARANCE.
UM, JUST GIVEN ON WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD AT LEAST HELP GET IT TO, TO LOOK MORE HISTORIC.
WAIT, WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR WINDOWS? THE FRONT SIDE, THE FRONT DOOR.
AND THEN WELL, THIS, SEE, THAT'S THE, CAN YOU PICK UP A PICTURE OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THERE NOW FROM THE, THE FRONT? OR MAYBE CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE HOW TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE BECAUSE RIGHT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA, MR. CHAIR.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THERE'S REALLY NO WINDOW MOLDING THERE.
IT'S JUST THE, THE PLAIN, UH, UH, UH, SIDING THAT GOES INTO THE WINDOW.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD THINK THAT YOU CAN PUT SOME WOOD, WOOD, UH, WINDOW TRIM ON THAT AS WELL AS DECORATIVE TRIM TO BRING IT UP TO SPEED AS TO WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WHAT IT WOULD WAS BEFORE I, I I'M USING, I'D PROBABLY USE THE DOOR AS A BETTER EXAMPLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, THE OLD DOOR AND COMPARE IT TO THE NEW DOOR, I THINK THE OLD DOOR HAD MOLDING, RIGHT? IT HAD LIKE WOOD MOLDING ON THE SIDE.
THE ONE ISSUE WITH TRYING TO PUT WOOD TRIM OVER THESE BIG FIXED GLASS WINDOWS IS THAT, UM, ORIGINALLY THE HOUSE HAD PROBABLY DOUBLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS.
SO THERE'S A LOT MORE DEPTH AND MATERIAL THAT, UH, JUST APPLYING SOMETHING TO THE FACE OF THIS WOULD NOT, UH, REPLICATE.
SO THE OPERABILITY I THINK IS A KEY ON, UH, REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULDN'T BE OPERABLE THEN.
BUT SORRY, I RECEIVED A CALL IN THE GUY, ONE OF THE GUYS, HE TOLD ME THAT FOR THAT SPECIFIC SIZE, IT'S JUST DANGEROUS TO BE OPERABLE BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE TOO BIG.
UM, SO IT WAS ALSO ONE RECOMMENDATION, BUT UH, I'M NOT AN EXPERT AND FOR NOW I WILL LIKE APPRECIATE LIKE TO JUST, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO PUT LIKE SOME DREAMS AND THEN JUST TO HAVE THAT LOOK.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE MR. CHAIR, UH, YES.
UM, I SECOND THE MOTION 'CAUSE I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE AND WHY THIS I SUPPORT.
IT'S, AND, AND THANK YOU STAFF FOR PULLING UP AN EXAMPLE.
THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF BIG HOMES AND BIG PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
AND, AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE IT IS A BIG HOME AND IT IS A VERY,
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YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL AND IT HAS A LOT OF HISTORIC ELEMENTS THAT STILL WERE THERE AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAD THE OPENINGS, I THINK IT IS WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT.UM, WE CAN LOOK AT COMPROMISES ON THE BACK ON THE SIDES, BUT I THINK THIS IS NOT, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR FOCUS IS REALLY THE FRONT.
UM, AND I, AND I DO ALSO, I MEAN THE RAILING IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT WRONG.
I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE STAFF.
I THINK THE FRONT PORCH MATERIAL AND THE, HOW YOU INSTALL THE WOOD, THAT IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE IT ALSO, UM, GOES WITH WHAT'S UPSTAIRS.
THERE'S MANY EXAMPLES AROUND THE CITY, UM, WHERE THIS HAS, HAS BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW, VERY NICELY.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, THERE'S SOME WOOD THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THE FRONT DOOR, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS MAYBE WHAT YOU MEANT.
AND I THINK THAT'S STILL IN THE STAFF STIPULATION.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT IS SO MUCH AN AMENDMENT RIGHT.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT ON THE FRONT WINDOWS, IT SHOULD BE THE WOOD, UH, TRIM AROUND, UH, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE PROBABLY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOUR FOCUS SHOULD BE ON THE WOOD WINDOWS BOTH UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS ON THE SIDES.
AND I WOULD NOT WANT MY AMENDMENT TO, TO SUPERSEDE THE GUIDELINE.
WHAT I WOULD BASICALLY TRYING TO SAY IS, IS IS THE OPTION IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T FIT ON THE WINDOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, THEN IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT AND IT WON'T FUNCTION.
I'LL TELL YOU THAT I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT ON SOMETHING LIKE THE DOOR THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE AMENDMENT TO THIS IS TO ALLOW 'EM SOMETHING ON, ON THE DOOR AND POTENTIALLY THE WINDOW.
BUT THE, I'M I'M THINKING MAYBE THE WINDOWS, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
DOOR WAS NOT PART OF THE QUICK FOR CLARIFICATION.
ARE YOU REFERENCING THE FRONT DOOR ON THE FIRST FLOOR? YES.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF THE REQUEST RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW THAT IS BEING, UM, WORKED ON.
SHE'S REPAIRING THOSE SIDELIGHTS, SO.
THEN I, I WILL RETRACT MY, MY, MY AMENDMENT THEN, MR. CHAIR.
UM, I, I, UM, I THINK I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SEPARATE CONCERN THAT I THINK WE, WE AS A COMMISSION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE TO ADDRESS IT HERE, BUT TO, WE HAVE OUR, UH, COMMISSION SESSION TO, TO DISCUSS THIS WITH STAFF AS WELL.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT REALLY, REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT SITUATION HERE IS WE HAVE A, AN APPLICANT THAT HAS GONE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE PAINS TO, TO BRING THIS HOUSE INTO SOME LEVEL OF, OF RESTORATION AND HAS HIT A POINT WHERE SHE'S, SHE'S DEALING WITH THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIPS THAT AREN'T JUST A PERSON THAT DISCOVERS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO DO THAT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GONE SO FAR IN THIS PROCESS, THIS VERY EASILY, UH, UN UNDERSTANDABLE THAT PERHAPS THE APPLICANT'S AT A PLACE WHERE IF THEY HAD THE MONEY, THEY WOULD DO IT BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
IF WE CAN CALL THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN SPENT TO GET IT TO WHERE IT'S TODAY.
SO IT SEEMS IT'S INCUMBENT ON THE COMMISSION, IF NOT THE CITY, BUT MOST DEFINITELY THE HDRC, TO, TO, TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO INCORPORATE, UH, SOME FORGIVENESS WITH RESPECT TO THE TIMELINE.
THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A, YOU KNOW, A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT IF SHE DOESN'T GET THE WINDOWS DONE, THE WAY THAT, UH, UH, WE PRESCRIBE THE WINDOWS BE DONE, UH, THAT SHE'S NOT GONNA GET, I MEAN, I THINK STAFF MIGHT HELP CLARIFY, UH, UH, PERMITS OR, OR, UH, ELECTRICITY OR, I MEAN, WHAT EXACTLY WHAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IF SHE DOESN'T GET THE APPROVALS HERE.
AND IF THERE'S A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON AN APPLICANT THAT CLEARLY IS WILLING TO DO HER DUE DILIGENCE, THAT, THAT WITHIN THE MOTION, THERE SHOULDN'T BE SOME EXPECTATION THAT SHE HAS TIME TO HANDLE IT AS ONE OF THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED IN, IN PRIORITIZING.
BUT, BUT WHAT GOOD DOES PRIORITIZING DO IF IT, IF THERE'S A NEGATIVE, UH, CONSEQUENCE TO GETTING A, A DENIAL? AND THEN WHAT CAN SHE EXPECT TO GO BACK TO THAT, THAT, UH, I MEAN, I MEAN, MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD VENUE FOR US TO CLARIFY FOR THIS APPLICANT AND FOR OTHERS THAT MAY COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION WATCHING THIS ON TELEVISION, THAT, THAT, HOW ARE WE GONNA WORK WITH HER TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING HER TO DO, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT SHE'S GONNA DO IT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT SHE'S GONNA HAVE TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT SHE'S AT THE END OF HER, UH, OF HER BUDGET.
DO YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE HOME? YES.
SO YOU HAVE AN OFFICE AND A HOME IN NO, THAT'S, IT'S MY PERSONAL OFFICE, BUT I LIVE THERE.
AND STAFF QUESTION, WHAT WOULD BE THE
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TIMELINE, UH, FOR THESE, UH, REVISIONS? IT'S FLEXIBLE.I MEAN, WE WOULD WORK AT THE APPLICANT TO, TO SHOP AROUND, UH, WORK WITH THEIR CONTRACTOR, WORK WITH, UM, A PRODUCT SPECIALIST AND GET SOME PROPOSALS TO US TO REVIEW AND, AND APPROVE.
UM, BUT THE, THE ACTUAL TIMELINE FOR COMING TO COMPLIANCE, WE ARE WILLING TO WORK NO, OVER A TIME OF SIX MONTHS, EVEN TO A YEAR AND, AND STAFF, WOULD THAT ALLOW HER TO CONTINUE ON THE REST OF THE PROJECT OR WOULD, OF COURSE, THAT WOULDN'T STOP ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION OR ANY, ANY PROGRESS ON, AS LONG AS WE FEEL LIKE WE WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, IF SHE WAS MAKING A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO, UM, MEET THE ACTION OR OUTCOME OF TODAY, THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO APPROVE OTHER ITEMS. OKAY.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY CHAIR, I'M, UH, SYMPATHETIC TO THE COMMISSIONER AND THE APPLICANT ON LIKE, THE SITUATION FINANCIALLY AND, UH, REPAIRS TO, UH, A VERY HISTORIC HOUSE IN, IN ONE OF OUR OLDEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY.
UM, BUT I THINK MY QUESTION IS TO THE STAFF IS, UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE CHANGES TO THIS, UH, THAT WEREN'T APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION AND, YOU KNOW, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, LIKE, IS THERE AN, IS THERE A CITATION OR, OR ENFORCEMENT LIKE HISTORY HERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? AND WHAT IS THE PLAN TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE APPLICANT SO THAT THESE CHANGES IN THE FUTURE REGARD, WHATEVER THAT TIMELINE IS, IS ADHERED TO BY THIS COMMISSION? I CAN, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO IN THE, IN THE CASE FILE AND FIND, I BELIEVE IN FINDING B, YOU CAN SEE THE CASE HISTORY WHERE I HAVE
UM, SHE THOUGHT THAT, UM, NOT MODIFYING THE OPENINGS WAS ALL THAT WAS REQUIRED.
HOWEVER, WE DID HAVE MULTIPLE EMAILS AND SITE VISITS.
UM, I DO FOLLOW UP WITH MY APPLICANTS THAT HAVE VIOLATIONS.
THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB IS TO FOLLOW UP.
UM, SHE, I NOTICED THAT SHE HADN'T BEEN HERE IN SIX MONTHS, TOUCHED BASE.
THAT'S WHEN WE REALIZED THE INSTALLATION OF THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, WHEN SHE SAID, OKAY, I'LL COME BACK.
SO SHE WE'RE HERE NOW AND I HAVE UPDATED PHOTOS AND THAT IS HOW I FOUND THE OTHER VIOLATIONS.
AND AGAIN, SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH ME, SHE'S BEEN
UM, SO I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN BAD COMMUNICATION AND WE'RE TRYING TO JUST BRING THE HOUSE INTO COMPLIANCE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, SAV? AYE.
JUST THIS IS A ROLL CALL FOR THE AMENDMENT.
NO, THE AMENDMENT WAS WITHDRAWN.
I DIDN'T GET A SECOND DID I? NO.
AGENDA ITEM 16 WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 23 4 8 5 12 23 MARCH AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL ONE COMMUNICATIONS MONOPOLE TO FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF 74 FEET.
THE PROPOSED POLE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION.
HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE IS AN ARCHEOLOGY COMMENT.
UH, SHOULD, UM, THE APPLICANT RECEIVE APPROVAL, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON, UM, AND ALSO HAVE AN UPDATED PRESENTATION FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT.
MY NAME IS VINCE EBINGER REPRESENTING THE, UH, LANDOWNER, THE TOWER OWNER AND THE, UH, CARRIER.
USUALLY UP HERE TRYING TO PUT A ROOFTOP AND HIDE IT DOWNTOWN OR ON THE BEXAR COUNTY JAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, I FIGURED THIS DAY WOULD COME WHEN WE'D HAVE TO TRY TO GET COVERAGE TO A HISTORIC PROPERTY.
LET ME LET EDWARD ROLL IT FOR ME.
GENERAL LOCATIONS OF THIS SITE.
THIS HAS GOT, UM, A TILLMAN INFRASTRUCTURE SITE FOR AT AND T MOBILITY, THE PRI PRIMARY CARRIER.
HERE'S SOME DIMENSIONS THAT, THAT ARE KIND OF IMPORTANT FROM THE RIVER WEST, 3,200 FEET.
UM, FROM MISSION SAN JUAN, 9,500 FEET NORTHWEST, UH, FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND USE 400 FEET.
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UH, THE CODE REQUIRES AT LEAST 200 FEET.AND THEN, UH, THE APPROVED HEIGHT, FAA AND WE MET WITH THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR IS 74 FEET TOTAL, SO IT'S NOT A VERY TALL TOWER ITSELF.
GENERAL INFORMATION ON ZONING, IT'S HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
H UM, THERE'S AN EXCAVATION COMPANY THAT THAT OPERATES ON THE TRACK.
THE OWNERS, UH, LOOKS LIKE ROOSEVELT IS A DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN THE H HISTORIC DISTRICT AND, AND NON HISTORIC.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS STEALTH.
UH, WE HAVEN'T DONE ONE IN SAN ANTONIO.
WE'VE DONE A COUPLE IN MCALLEN THAT WERE WELL RECEIVED AS PALM TREES.
UH, THIS IS A PHOTO SIM FROM ABOUT, LET IT SAY 620 FEET AWAY, WHAT THAT PALM TREE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD NOTICE IT OUTSIDE THIS ROOM.
WE DID ONE ALSO IN UNIVERSAL CITY, WHICH WAS A PINE TREE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE, NEITHER DOES AT AND T OR, OR, UM, TILLMAN.
THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE OBVIOUSLY, THAN THE STANDARD MONOPOLE, BUT THEY DON'T STICK OUT AND WOULDN'T CAUSE ANY CONCERN.
JUST, JUST FOR NEED FOR THE SAKE OF NEED SHOWING YOU THE COVERAGES.
THIS IS AT AND T'S RF APPLICATION, UH, PROPAGATION MAPS.
AND WHERE THERE ARE NOW, UH, YOU SEE WHERE THE RED ONE IS PROPOSED.
UM, YOU SEE SOME IN-VEHICLE COVERAGE IN THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED SITE.
UH, WE ARE CALLING HARLANDALE ON MARCH AIR MARCH AVENUE.
AND THEN YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S TURNED ON.
YOU GET IN BUILDING COVERAGE, SO THERE IS A COVERAGE YOU NEED.
TALK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, TALK TO THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, TALK TO THE CALL CENTER, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS, UH, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM SOME, SOME BETTER COVERAGE AS WELL.
UM, AT AND T EMPLOYS FIRST NET.
IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH FIRST NET, IT IS THE FIRST RESPONDERS NETWORK OFFERED FOR A LITTLE LESS, UH, PRICE.
GENERALLY FIRST RESPONDERS NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, SAFD AND SAPD ARE FIRST NET USERS.
THE, I WENT OVER TO ROOSEVELT AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT.
YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM ROOSEVELT AVENUE IN, IN THAT SECTION.
AND THE LEFT SIDE IS A PICTURE OF THE SITE ITSELF WITH THE TREES.
THIS IS AN ACTUAL PICTURE OF THE ONE IN MCALLEN.
SO, UH, BLENDS IN, WELL, THE SECOND LOCATION DOWN THERE, YOU COULD HAVE A SECOND CARRIER.
SO THEY, THEY, THE PHOENIX COMPANY THAT DESIGNS THIS HAS A LITTLE RING, KIND OF, KIND OF A FIBERGLASS RING BELOW IT, AND IT WOULD BE IN SET INSIDE THAT RING.
YOU CAN SEE THE ANTENNAS ONCE PAINTED ARE REALLY NOT, NOT VISIBLE AT ALL FROM A VERY FAR DISTANCE.
UH, JUST MENTION THE CODE JUST IN CASE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
IT, IT COMPLIES WITH THOSE TYPES OF SETBACKS WITHIN THE CODE THAT ALLOW WIRELESS ON A SITE.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER GROUP, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE MAP.
DO YOU HAVE PLAN CALL ANOTHER ONE TO, WHAT IS THE RF MAP? YEAH, THAT ONE.
IS THERE PLAN FUTURE? YEAH, IT'S BASED ON PRIORITY.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ISSUE SEARCH RINGS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, SORRY.
YEAH, BASED ON THEIR PRIORITY.
THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A FUTURE SITE THERE.
UM, BUT, BUT THEY GO A STEP AT A TIME.
RF NEEDS AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SITE FOR TWO YEARS NOW.
WE'RE HOPE HOPEFUL THAT THEY WOULDN'T ASK US TO DO THIS, BUT THEY ARE.
THEY, THEY REALLY NEED THE SITE DESPERATELY.
SO THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHER OPENINGS.
BUT THIS REQUEST COMES FROM CARRIER? YES.
UM, THEY USUALLY HAVE A, A MONTHLY INSPECTION ON THE SITE.
UH, IT'LL BE FENCED AND SECURED, UH, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
SO IT'S ABOUT ONCE A MONTH SOMEBODY VISITS THAT SITE.
COMMISSIONER SINO, UM, UH, THIS IS AN AT AND T POLL.
THIS IS A TILLMAN POLL, TILLMAN FOR BUILDING, BUILDING IT FOR AT AND T BUILDING.
BUILDING FOR AT T IS AT AND T THE ONLY USER OF THIS POLE? NO.
THAT'S WHY I SHOWED YOU THERE.
THERE'S A, THE MANUFACTURERS CAN MANUFACTURE THIS TYPE YOU'RE SEEING THERE THAT WOULD ALLOW A SECOND AND A THIRD CARRIER IN THE BELOW SECTIONS.
RIGHT, BUT IT WOULD STILL WORK FOR A 64
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FOOT ANTENNA HEIGHT.WOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL LAYERS? I MEAN, HOW, WHAT IS THE LIMIT BASED ON THE HEIGHT YOU NEED? YEAH, I MEAN, WILL WE BE, WOULD ONE POSSIBLY BE LOOKING AT MORE EQUIPMENT ON THE POLE THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY? NO, YOU, YOU, YOU PROBABLY SEE ONE OR THE TWO.
THE SECOND CARRY WOULD PROBABLY BE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE CONFINED TO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTED AREAS SHOWN ON THAT PHOTO.
IT'S A FIBERGLASS WRAP THAT LOOKS LIKE THE DEAD PALM TREES.
COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UH, THERE'S AN ELEVATION ON THE SCREEN THAT SHOWS WHAT AN ADDITIONAL INSTALLATION MAY LOOK LIKE.
AND DOES YOUR FIRM HAVE A, A HISTORY OF PLANTING OTHER VEGETATION IN THE AREA TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY TO BETTER FILL OUT THE AND MAKE SENSE OF THE SPECIES THAT ARE CHOSEN, THE SPECIES CAMOUFLAGE POLE THAT SHOWN, FOR INSTANCE, ARE YOU PLANTING ANY OTHER PALMS IN THE AREA OR OTHER EVERGREENS OR SOMETHING TO MAKE IT LOOK AT THE GROUND LEVEL? NOT SPECIFICALLY, NO.
UM, MOST, MOST OF THE STEALTH REQUIREMENTS IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES JUST HAVE THE, THE THING STANDARD MONOPINE OR MONO PALM.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ EDWARD, UM, ARE WE JUST LOOKING AT, UM, THE DESIGN OR WHETHER OR NOT THERE CAN OR CAN'T BE A POLL THERE? SO I'LL EDWARD I'LL TAKE IT.
UM, THIS IS A PRETTY UNIQUE, UH, PROCESS THAT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE HRC IS A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE ZONING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL, UM, NORMALLY THIS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL, THERE IS A PATH FORWARD EVEN IN A STORE DISTRICT.
UM, AND THE PATH FORWARD IS VERY SPECIFIC TO A SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION APPROVAL FOR THIS AT THIS SITE.
SO IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS.
AND SO YOU ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THAT LARGER PROCESS.
BUT, BUT NOW CORY, YOU SAID, UM, NORMALLY IN A RESIDENTIAL, WHY, WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT IS 'CAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREAS DISTRICT THREE, RIGHT? UH, AND I KNOW THERE'S AN EVENT CENTER FOR JUST A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES OVER MM-HMM.
AND SO, UM, YES, THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, BUT THE ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY IS INDUSTRIAL.
SO THAT ALLOWS THIS INSTALLATION SHOULD THE SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION BE APPROVED.
AND WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THAT, THERE IS NO ZONING PROHIBITION AT THIS TIME.
THERE IS, BUT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION.
AND WHAT, WHAT IS THAT ZONING PROCESS? SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BY RIGHT.
UM, HE'S NOT BY RIGHT ALLOWED TO HAVE THIS, IT HAS TO HAVE THAT SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION APPROVED BY ZONING.
AND IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY KIND OF LIKE A ZONING, UH, DECISION THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY FOR ALL FUTURE USES AND PURPOSES, UM, THAT ALLOWS THIS SPECIFIC USE, WHICH IS THE INSTALLATION OF A A CELL PHONE TOWER.
WHEN THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, SIR.
HAVE, HAVE Y'ALL SPOKEN WITH ANY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA ABOUT THIS? I KNOW THERE PEOPLE THAT ARE PARANOID ABOUT MICROWAVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? JUST IN IN THE EVENT THAT THEY HAVE AN OPINION? YES, SIR.
THE HARLANDALE MCCLELLAN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WE'RE MEETING WITH ON JANUARY 8TH AND THE MISSION DISTRICT IS, IS STILL TRYING TO SCHEDULE IT FOR MID-JANUARY.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF, UH, COMMISSIONER QUEZ.
SO COREY, FOR, FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THEN GETTING THIS ANTENNA PUT UP, WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR THE, FOR THE OWNER OF THAT SITE THERE AND THAT PROPERTY? HOW DOES IT CHANGE IT FOR HIM FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? THE, THE ZONING DECISION WOULD ALLOW FOR ONE, AND I I, I BELIEVE THERE'S OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR SPACING, SO I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO MORE THAN ONE.
I MEAN, LIKE ANOTHER BUILDING, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO PUT A BUILDING UP FOR ANOTHER YEAH.
ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT, THAT ARE ALLOWED BY USE ALLOWED BY RIGHT UNDER THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING USE ALLOWANCES WOULD BE PERMITTED.
OKAY, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? NO, SIR, I'M NOT.
BUT THEY'VE, THEY'VE SIGNED A, A LONG-TERM LEASE AGREEMENT WITH TILLMAN TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THAT I'M THINKING PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY TO GET BETTER SALES SERVICE.
CAN I GET ONE CLARIFICATION? UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GROUP, ARE WE LOOKING AT OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO? I'M SORRY, ON THE DESIGN, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE PO TREE OR THE PINE TREE? UH, IT ACTUALLY WE ARE, WE'RE LEAVING THAT UP TO THIS BODY AND, AND THE REST OF THE, UH, DECISION MAKERS, WE WOULD, WE
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WOULD DO EITHER, I THINK BOTH OF THEM.THAT'S WHY WE DID THE PHOTOS SIM WITH BOTH LOOK FINE.
UM, BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE REQUEST IS FOR ONE, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ELSE.
SO WE ARE IN THIS MOTION HAS TO BE ALSO A DECISION OF WHICH OF THE OPTIONS, THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS WE'RE, WE'RE PROVIDING SO THAT THEY WON'T LOOK, I MEAN YES MA'AM.
STAFF HAS NO, THERE'S NO, IS THERE A PURVIEW FOR US ON THAT? LIKE, THAT'S ALSO MY QUESTION IS LIKE, IS THAT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW OR ARE WE JUST APPROVING THE POLL? YES, NO.
YES, THE, THE APPEARANCE AND STEALTH METHOD IS DEFINITELY PART OF YOUR PURVIEW.
BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE MANY PINE TREES IN SAN ANTONIO.
SEE YOU, YOU DON'T SEE PALMS AT HIGH.
I MEAN YOU SEE 'EM IN FLORIDA ALL THE TIME, BUT I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN PALMS THAT HIGH, BUT MAYBE I'M, I'M WRONG.
AND MY MOTION WOULD BE, UM, I'M VERY INTO, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WILL SAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MOTION WILL FLY, BUT I'LL MOVE TO A CONTINUANCE AND YOU COME BACK WITH, UH, UM, WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS COME BACK WITH OR I'LL SECOND MM-HMM,
AND, AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS, UM, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ULTIMATE DECISION.
IT STILL GOES THROUGH ZONING, IT STILL GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT I THINK, UM, THE MISSION DISTRICT AND THE MISSION OVERLAY IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CITY AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND I WOULD, UH, AS YOU HAVE YOUR MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE, THE RESIDENCE ACROSS THE, THE STREET, IF YOU WOULD GET THEIR, IF YOU WOULD GET THEIR INPUT ON WHICH TREE TYPE, IF THERE WE'RE AMENABLE TO THE JUST YES SIR.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT.
THAT'D BE, UM, UM, AT LEAST PUT THAT IN FRONT OF 'EM AND SEE WHICH ONE THEY PREFER.
THEN MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION AS WELL.
OTHER COMMENTS? SO THE POSTPONEMENT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TIME, UH, JANUARY 17TH, I'M SORRY, JANUARY 17TH.
THE NEXT MEETING THAT YOU'D BE ELIGIBLE FOR WOULD BE JANUARY 17TH.
SO IF YOU COULD GET YOUR MEETING BEFORE THAT, WE WILL TRY, THEN WE CAN GET YOU, WE KNOW, WE KNOW WE'LL GET THE HARLANDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DONE.
BUT THE APPLICANT CAN STILL MOVE IT TO THE FOLLOWING.
THE MICHIGAN DISTRICT HAS NOT IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
THE APPLICANT COULD ALSO POSTPONE TO THE FIRST HEARING IN FEBRUARY IF YOU NEEDED ADDITIONAL TIME.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, HDRC CASE NUMBER 20 23 4 83 5 14 ADAMS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL.
TWO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF WITH ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES.
TWO, TO MODIFY THE EXISTING ROOF FORM BY INCREASING THE OVERALL STRUCTURE'S PLATE HEIGHT, EXTENDING THE ROOF'S RIDGE LINE TO THE REAR AND CONSTRUCTING ONE REAR FACING HIP ROOF.
THIS IS A MODIFICATION FROM THE CURRENT ROOF FORM, WHICH FEATURES TWO REAR FACING HIP ROOFS WITH THE SHED PROFILE CONNECTING THE TWO.
THE CURRENT REAR ROOF FORM IS NOT ORIGINAL.
THE PROPOSED INCREASE IN PLATE HEIGHT WILL NOT RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN THE, IN THE STRUCTURE'S OVERALL HEIGHT.
HOWEVER, IT WILL INCREASE, RESULT IN A DECREASE IN THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE'S.
CROSS GABLE ROOF, THE PORCH THAT IS RESULTING IN A LOWER PITCH.
AND THREE, TO ADJUST THE PRIMARY BEAM SPANNING THE PORCH BY INCREASING ITS HEIGHT AND REMOVING ONE EXISTING PORCH COLUMN.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, ROOF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL ORIGINAL ROOF FORMS, PROFILES AND DIMENSIONS SHOULD BE MAINTAINED IN THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL ROOF FORM AS PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR ROOF FORMS TO PROMOTE ADEQUATE DRAINAGE AS THESE ROOF FORMS ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE.
HOWEVER, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN INCREASE IN PLATE HEIGHTS NOR CHANGES TO ROOF PITCHES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS A FOLLOWING THAT ALL ORIGINAL RIDGE HEIGHTS, PLATE HEIGHTS, ROOF PITCHES AND PROFILES OR ORIGINAL, THAT IS THE FRONT AND SIDE ROOF PROFILES BE MAINTAINED.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, MODIFICATIONS TO THE PRIMARY PORCH BEAM AND THE REMOVAL OF FRONT OF THE FRONT COLUMN STAFF RECOMMENDS THESE ITEMS TO BE REPAIRED AS NEEDED IN THEIR ORIGINAL PROFILE.
UH, THE APPLICANT, MS. MICHELLE BURNHAM, IS HERE IN PERSON.
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HELLO COMMISSION.THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR ME.
UH, I'M GOING TO PREFACE I'M ABSOLUTELY NOT.
EXCUSE ME IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
I'M THE OWNER OF FIVE 14 ADAMS. THANK YOU.
UM, SO I'M, I'M GOING TO PREFACE, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, AN ARCHITECT OR ANYTHING, SO I WILL PROBABLY SAY SOME WORDS WRONG.
UH, SO PLEASE STOP ME AND, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF, UH, TAKE, TAKE, TAKE HEEDED.
I, I WILL PROBABLY SAY SOMETHING WRONG.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE, UH, ADDRESS NUMBER THREE FIRST.
SO, UH, NUMBER THREE WAS ME ASKING TO REMOVE, UH, THIS CENTER COLUMN, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE.
IT IS, UH, DIFFERENT IN THE HEIGHT.
SO THE, UH, BRICK PEDESTAL BASE IS SHORTER THAN THE OTHER THREE COLUMNS THAT ARE ON THE PORCH.
UH, FOR ME TO BUILD THAT UP, UM, I, I HAVE TWO CONSTRAINTS WITH THAT.
UM, I HAVE TRIED SEARCHING FOR THE BRICK TO MATCH.
I CAN FIND A LITTLE CLOSE, BUT THEN IT'S NOT A CLOSE AND IN COLOR SO I CAN FIND CLOSE TO TEXTURE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE COLOR.
UH, SO BUILDING THAT UP TO MATCH THE, UH, OTHER THREE COLUMNS IS, UH, AT LEAST JUST FROM THE MATERIAL WISE, IT, IT, IT'S DIFFICULT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GO ACROSS COUNTRY AND TRY TO FIND SOMEWHERE.
UH, BUT THE OTHER IS JUST FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE OF IT, FOR ME TO REMOVE THE COLUMN.
UH, WHICH, AND I, I DID BRING SOME PICTURES.
MY NEIGHBORS LIKE DIRECTLY BRIGHT ON THE EXACT SAME BLOCK.
UM, IT WOULD BE KEEPING VERY SIMILAR TO THEM.
WE ALL HAVE BRICK, UH, PEDESTAL BASES WITH THE WOOD TAPERS.
THEY HAVE THREE COLUMNS ON THEIR PORCHES.
SO IF I REMOVED THE ONE, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE LOOKING ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
I WOULDN'T BE TAKING AWAY FROM THE OTHER OR, OR TAKING AWAY FROM THIS STRUCTURE AND THEN NOT MATCHING THE OTHER HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE, THE BASIS OF, OF NUMBER THREE.
AND THEN ALSO ON, ON NUMBER THREE, THE HEADER THAT IS GOING OR THE, THE STRUCTURAL HEADER THAT'S GOING THE SPANE OF THE PORCH.
RIGHT NOW IN CERTAIN AREAS IT IS 72 INCHES AND OTHER AREAS IT'S 73 INCHES.
I THINK I HAVE 73 AND A HALF IN SOME.
AND IT'S JUST, I THINK FROM THE WEIGHT OF THE PORCH, UH, ROOF HAS JUST, AND DETERIORATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF WOOD, UH, ROT AND ALL THAT HAS CAUSED IT JUST TO KINDA SINK AND, AND MOVE AROUND AND REPLACING THE ROOF, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE THE, THE ROTTEN RAFTERS AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS, UH, UNDERNEATH THE, THE SHINGLES.
UM, BUT WHAT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY SEEING THERE IS WHEN YOU WALK UP INTO THE FLOOR SURFACE TO THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT HEADER BEAM, IT'S AGAIN, 72 INCHES IN SOME AREAS, 73 IN, IN OTHER 72 AND A HALF.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND I'M LOOKING TO TRY TO GET THE HOUSE TO THE TEXAS BUILDING CODE OF SAYING THAT, UM, WE NEED 80 INCHES.
SO IT'S, I'M, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A HUGE INCREASE, I'M JUST ASKING THAT I CAN BRING THAT HEADER UP TO 80 INCHES, UH, WHICH WOULD BE IN, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS BUILDING CODE AND I BELIEVE THE ICC.
AND THEN ALSO WHEN I HAD LOOKED, IF IT WAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION PROPERTY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, I THINK THIS BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT 80 INCHES BE, UM, THE HEIGHT THAT, THE MINIMUM HEIGHT THAT YOU MAINTAIN BETWEEN A STRUCTURAL HEADER AND THE FLOOR SURFACE.
I'M NOT A BUILDING, UH, ENGINEER OR, OR WHATNOT, BUT I THINK I, I TRIED LOOKING AT THE CODES RELATIVE ENOUGH TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT ON COMMISSIONERS IF I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE OBSERVATION.
UM, WHILE THE APPLICANT WAS SPEAKING, I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE MISSED IN OUR REVIEW.
SO EDWARD, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FRONT.
SO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT MIDDLE COLUMN AND PIER COMPLETELY.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE REVIEWED.
UM, WHEN SHE MENTIONED THAT IT'S A LOWER HEIGHT THAN THE OTHERS, IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT SOMEBODY HAS ADDED THE WOODEN CA TAPERED COLUMN PORTION, BUT THAT BRICK PIER WAS PROBABLY ORIGINAL.
UM, A LOT OF CRAFTSMEN JUST HAVE THAT KIND OF LOWER PIER AND THE HEADER GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT STRUCTURAL IN THAT THAT WOODEN, UH, TAPERED PORTION WAS ADDED AT SOME POINT.
SO THAT WOULD BE FINE TO REMOVE IF THAT'S WHAT WHAT IS PROPOSED.
BUT WE WOULD JUST CLARIFY A RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO RETAIN THE BRICK
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P 'CAUSE IT PROBABLY IS ORIGINAL.UH, MR. CHAIR, LET TO ASK CORY ON THAT QUESTION, CO CORY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, I MEAN, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE PICTURE AND THERE'S SOMETHING VERY WEIRD ABOUT IT BECAUSE IF IT'S SHORTER, YOU CAN SEE IT'S BOEING, THE HEAD OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, UH, THE BEAM, IT'S BOWING THE BEAM.
I THINK THE FASCIA OF THE PORCH IS KIND OF ACTUALLY BURNED DOWN ON EITHER SIDE, RIGHT.
BUT IF IT'S A WOODHOUSE, IT'S IT'S PULLING AND THAT THAT ALIEN IN THE MIDDLE IS PUSHING, SO IT'S BOEING, UH, JU JUST TO, I THINK THERE'S EVIDENCE INSIDE OF THAT BEYOND JUST THE FACT THAT THERE'S OTHER HOUSES WITH, WITHOUT THAT COLUMN THAT IT SHOWS IT'S HAVING A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE HOUSE AS WELL.
I'M JUST SURE EITHER WAY, JUST FOR THOUGHT.
SO I, I AM PROPOSING THAT THE STRUCTURAL BEAM REPLACEMENT WHEN I REPLACE THE ROOF IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UM, MANAGE THE LOAD OF, OF THE ROOF LINE AS IT IS.
UH, AND I, I HOPE I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK, UH, ACCURATELY TO THIS, BUT I THINK IF WE GO TO NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS SAYING, AND AGAIN EDWARD, HELP ME, UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT THE DECREASE IN THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE, THE CROSS GABLED ROOF, WHICH IS THE, THE PORCH, THE FRONT PORCH THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE ONLY REASON THAT THAT WOULD DECREASED IS BECAUSE I'M ASKING TO RAISE THAT HEADER, UM, UP TO 80 INCHES.
SO I, I'M KEEPING THE EXACT ROOF.
UM, OVERALL, LOOK, IT WILL, IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, LOW SLUNG, IT'LL HAVE, UH, THE, THE RAFTERS, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME WITH THE MINOR ADJUSTMENT THAT THAT HEADER IS, IS GOING TO BE RAISED.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THE QUESTION FOR COREY OR FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, THE, THE DRAWING THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS NOT DRAWN, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE DRAWING.
UH, WELL, SO FROM A, A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, AND HOPEFULLY I CAN, UH, BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE, UM, TO ADDRESS THE STRUCTURAL ISSUE IN THE FRONT AND THE BEAM HEIGHT AS WELL AS DRAINAGE ISSUES AT THE REAR, WHERE THERE ARE TWO HIP ROOFS THAT ARE NON-ORIGINAL THAT HAVE BEEN CONNECTED, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO RAISE THE PLATE HEIGHT WHILE MAINTAINING THE SAME HEIGHT OF THE RIDGE, WHICH IN TURN IS GONNA DECREASE THE OVERALL PITCH OF THE GABLE ROOFS.
UH, SO THAT'S STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, GENERALLY THE, THE ROOFS WILL STAY OPEN GABLE, HOWEVER THE OVERALL PITCH WILL DECREASE AND THEREFORE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU, UM, IF YOU DO LOOK, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS A SLIGHT CHANGE, UM, IN THE OVERALL PITCH OF THOSE ROOFS.
UM, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY NOTICEABLE FOR THE SIDE GABLES, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH FOR THE FRONT GABLE, UM, STAFF IS, UH, OPEN AND, AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A MODIFICATION, UH, TO THE REAR ROOF FORM IF THAT NEED, IF IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THROUGH THE EXTENSION OF THE RIDGE, UM, THAT'S NOT SO DISSIMILAR AS IF SHE WAS, WERE BUILDING A REAR ADDITION.
WHAT WE WOULD SEE IS THE END RESULT OF THAT.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS PROPOSED IS THE ROOF AND PORCH WOULD BE, PORCH ROOF WOULD BE COMPLETELY REMOVED.
SO JUST THE WALLS OF THE STRUCTURE AND THEN THE PLATE HEIGHT AND, AND NEW ROOF STRUCTURE WITH AN INCREASED PITCH WOULD BE REINTRODUCED AN ENTIRE NEW ROOF.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS DRAWING AND, UM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH STUFF'S FINDINGS, WHICH IS KEEPING THE BRICK, UM, BOTTOM PART OF THE COLUMN AND REMOVING JUST THE AND REMOVING THE TAPERED? YES.
BECAUSE YOU'RE KEEPING THE STAIRS, I'M RIGHT.
KEEPING THE STAIRS SO THAT WOULD STAIRS ACTUALLY HELP YOU TO KEEP THAT? AND I HAVE NOT SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR, UM, THE RAILING, THE WOOD RAILING YET.
AND I WAS GONNA DO THAT SEPARATELY.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THAT AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE REASON WHY YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE PITCH IS BECAUSE YOU WANNA KEEP THAT SAME OVERHANG.
IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU DON'T CHANGE THE PITCH AND JUST SHORTEN THAT OVERHANG? I THINK SO THE WAY THAT IT WAS, UH, GIVEN TO ME BY THE ROOFERS AND, UH, THE ENGINEER THAT WAS OUT THE, THAT PITCH ON, UH, JUST THE FRONT PORCH ROOF ONLY, NOT, NOT ANYTHING ELSE IS, IS GOING TO INCREASE, UM, UP, WHICH WOULD THEN CAUSE THE, I GUESS THE, UM, THE DECREASE OVER OVERALL OF, OF THE, UM, ROOF PITCH.
I'M, I'M, SO, YES, I'M, I'M TRYING TO, AND THE REASON THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS BECAUSE OF RAISING THE HEADER.
SO THERE ISN'T A, A WAY OF RAISING THE HEADER WITHOUT THERE BEING A, A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT IN THE PITCH OF THE PORCH ROOF.
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IS A WAY, THERE IS A WAY, WELL THE, SO THE WAY WOULD BE AN INCREASE IN THE OVERALL RIDGE HEIGHT BY APPROXIMATELY A FOOT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE INCHES, WHATEVER IT CREATES ON THE TOP.IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE, ARE WE ALSO RAISING THE PITCH OVER THERE BY THE CHI, BY THE CHIMNEY? THE ENTIRE PLATE HEIGHT FROM WHAT I'M, I'M SORRY.
UH, FROM, FROM HOW I'VE UNDERSTOOD THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, THE OVERALL PLATE HEIGHT OF ALL FOUR WALLS WOULD INCREASE, UM, THEREFORE CHANGING ALL OF THE EXISTING PITCHES, UH, ONLY BECAUSE THE RIDGE HEIGHT WOULD BE MAINTAINED.
SO THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE STAYS THE SAME, JUST THE PLATE HEIGHT CHANGES.
SO, UH, DID YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD AFFECT YOUR CHIMNEY OR HOW WE KNOW? WELL, NO, BECAUSE I'M, SO I'M NOT SURE, UH, UM, ON EXACTLY WHAT THE, THE DRAWINGS ARE OTHER THAN THAT THEY SHOULD BE EX WHAT I TALKED TO WITH THE ROOFERS AND THE ENGINEER.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS INCREASING IS JUST THE FRONT PORCH ROOF.
BUT AS YOU SEE, LET'S GO BACK TO THAT DRAWING LIKE YOU SEE RIGHT HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
EDWARD, WOULD YOU SHOW IT ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, IT WOULD ALSO AFFECT ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT SIDE WHERE YOUR CHIM IS.
CAN YOU SHOW IT ON THE SCREEN EDWARD? OR MAYBE POINTED, I'M SORRY, WHICH WHICH FACE? SORRY? THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROOF PORCH WHERE THE BRIDGE? NO, ON THE, ON RIGHT ON THE SLIDE WHERE YOU WERE ON THE LEFT SIDE WHERE THE CHIMNEY IS, IT WOULD ALSO MAKE A CHANGE THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
BUT WHAT IT, FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE FLATTER SECTION OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AS THE, THE PORCH ROOF THERE ON THAT LEFT SIDE WOULD JUST BE GOING FURTHER UP, UH, TO THE MAIN GABLE OF THE HOUSE.
THERE WILL NOT BE A CHANGE OF WHERE THE ROOF ENDS ON THE CHIMNEY AT.
I MEAN, I, I CAN TELL YOU FROM LIKE THE MATERIALS LIST AND THE BUILDING LIST THAT I HAVE, THERE IS NO CHANGE ON THAT.
THERE'S, SO THE RIDGE ON THIS NEW GABLE, BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING TO RAISE THE PORCH.
SO THE DARK LINE IN THIS DRAWING WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
THAT RIDGE HIGH DOOR REMAIN THE SAME, WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
SO WHERE IT INTERSECTS THE CHIMNEY WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
IT'S JUST THE ROOF WILL BE A LITTLE SHALLOWER? CORRECT.
SO KIND OF, HOW DO I SAY IT LIKE IT WILL, MR. CHAIR, OTHER QUESTIONS WHO NEED SOME CLARIFICATION.
WHEN YOU WALK UP THE STAIRS, ARE YOU HITTING YOUR HEAD ON THE BEAM? I CAN'T WEAR A FIESTA HAT WITHOUT MY HAT FALLING OFF
SO I HAVE, UH, FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE SIX FOOT TWO AND THEY HAVE TO, AND THAT WAS, SO ONE OF MY CONCERNS WAS A, A SAFETY HAZARD.
THAT FRONT ROOM, UH, THAT HAS THE SECOND FRONT DOOR, THAT IS THE GUEST BEDROOM.
SO IF YOUR HOUSE IS ON OR MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE AND WE'RE ALL RUNNING OUT, I'D REALLY HATE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEM NOT DUCK AND HIT THEIR HEAD AND FALL DOWN AND PASS OUT ON THE PORCH.
A QUESTION MS. UM, THIS EXISTING ELEVATION SHOWS THE, UH, FINISHED CEILING AT SEVEN FOOT TWO, WHICH IS THE 80 IS THE, UH, WITH THE LOWER BEAM.
UM, SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TO RAISE THE BOTTOM OF THE BEAM TO 80 INCHES? CORRECT.
WHICH WILL RAISE THE CEILING UP, WHATEVER THAT EXACT AMOUNT THAT IS BEING RAISED, WHICH I, I WANNA SAY IS A TOTAL OF EIGHT, EIGHT INCHES.
UH, THAT WOULD BY DEFAULT RAISE THE, UH, SPACE BETWEEN THE VERY TOP OF THE, UH, THE DOOR AND CEILING HEIGHT THERE.
BUT I'M NOT ASKING TO RAISE ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST, UH, TO GET MY HEADER HEIGHT AT 80 INCHES.
COMMISSIONER SAVINA, UM, MS. BURNHAM? YES.
UM, YOU HAD STAFF COME OUT TO YOUR PROPERTY AT, TO LOOK AT THIS? NO.
UM, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT I JUST HAVE A TON OF QUESTIONS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE PLACE FOR IT.
WOULD YOU BE, UM, OPEN TO CONTINUING THIS SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A SITE VISIT AND SOME OF US TAKE A LOOK YEAH.
AT WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE? YES.
CAN WE JUST PLEASE KEEP, THIS IS MY, MY HOUSE AND I CAN'T GET ANYTHING ELSE DONE UNTIL I GET MY ROOF DONE.
SO IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM.
UM, JUST I BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN, IN MAY AND I'M STILL NOT ABLE TO MOVE IN.
SO IT'S, THIS IS A, IT'S A HIGH PRIORITY FOR, FOR ME.
I MEAN, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT TO DO.
I MEAN, WHAT IS YOUR, THIS ONE IS, IS HUGE FOR ME
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TO GET THE ROOF DONE SO THEN I CAN GET ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING AND, YOU KNOW, UM, THE REBUILDING OF THE COLUMNS LOOKS, UH, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T LOOK COMPLETELY ORIGINAL.THE PORCH FLOOR DOESN'T LOOK, LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN ALTERED.
THERE'S NO THRESHOLD FOR THE, FOR THE SCREEN DOOR.
THERE'S NO, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE THRESHOLD FOR THE DOOR, YOU KNOW, SO I REALLY WANNA KEEP IT ON OUR PURVIEW AND WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT HERE TODAY.
AND WHATEVER'S DONE IN THE FUTURE, THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK FOR THAT.
BUT THOSE MIGHT HELP ANSWER WHY THAT, WHY THAT SPACE IS WHAT IT IS, AND PROVIDE INFORMATION TO OTHER SOLUTIONS OTHER THAN RAISING THE PLATE HEIGHT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
THERE MAY BE MORE, UH, COST-EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS.
UH, AND MR CHAIR ALSO TO THAT POINT THAT, THAT THE CHANGE THE, THE REMOVAL OF AN ENTIRE ROOF IS DRASTIC, YOU KNOW, AND IF, IF IT'S PURELY, UM, I MEAN, I MEAN LET'S JUST SAY FOR, FOR UH, UH, OPTIONS, RIGHT? THE PORCH COULD GO DOWN THOSE FOUR INCHES AND YOU DON'T DO THE WHOLE, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE ROOF, WHICH IS A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT 5% VERSUS A HUNDRED PERCENT COST.
RIGHT? SO TO VISIT THE SITE MIGHT BE RE REALLY PRUDENT.
WELL, THE ROOF HAS TO BE REPLACED.
SO NO MATTER WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HAVING TO REPLACE THE ROOF, I HAVE, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT, BUT SEE, YOU REMOVE A, YOU REMOVE THE RAFTERS TO, TO CHANGE A PITCH, I HAVE TO REMOVE THE RAFTERS THAT ARE ARE ROTTEN.
BUT TO, TO CHANGE A ROOF, TO, TO MAKE A ROOF NEW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT ROT THAT YOUR ROOFER WILL REPLACE IN ANY NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT TO REMOVE ALL THE RAPTORS TO CHANGE A PITCH AND ALL OF THAT IS DRASTIC.
THAT'S A, I MEAN FOR US IT'S A, IT'S A DRASTIC ASK CONSIDERING THAT WE JUST HAD A CASE WHERE THE LADY JUST CHANGED TWO WINDOWS.
YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS A COMPLETE ALTERATION TO THE ENTIRE SPIRIT OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN, AND THEN PERHAPS THEY DO IT AND THEY DON'T DO IT IN A WAY WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS NOW.
SO TO GO VISIT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO FEEL IT THE SAME WAY THAT YOU FEEL IT AND TO QUALIFY IT SO THAT THE DECISION IS WITH ALL CONFIDENCE.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S DRASTIC.
YOU CAN ALSO HAVE YOUR ROOFER THERE AND, AND HE CAN, YOU KNOW, HE CAN KIND OF ANSWER SOME, SOME OF THE ENGINEERING ASPECTS THAT THE EXPERTS HAVE HERE.
COMMISSIONERS TO CONTINUE THIS AND, UM, SCHEDULE A SITE.
VISIT A DRC SITE VISIT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND STAFF WILL WORK WITH YOU TO SCHEDULE THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND GET YOU BACK HERE ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 34 8 0 1 LABOR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY 800 SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH L STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDR ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT FURTHER REDUCES THE HEIGHT OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING D AND SUBMIT AND SUBMITS UPDATED DRAWINGS THAT INCLUDE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY FOR CONTEXT TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARDS STIPULATIONS THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS, OPERATIONS, AND TRIM AND SILL DETAILING ON THE WEST ELEVATION THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT HAS NOTED IN FINDING G AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC BASED ON FINDING H FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF.
STANDARD STIPULATIONS BASED ON FINDING J FIVE THAT THE HARDY SIDING FEATURES A REVEAL OF NO MORE THAN SIX INCHES AND A SMOOTH TEXTURE BASED ON FINDING JA FAUX WOOD GRAIN FINISH IS NOT PERMITTED.
THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD DOORS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC BASED ON FINDING J AND SEVEN, THAT THE PROPOSED COLUMNS ARE FULLY WOOD AND FEATURE A MAXIMUM OF SIX BY SIX INCHES IN WIDTH AND A TRADITIONAL CAP AND BASE AND CHAMFORD CORNERS BASED ON FINDING J.
UM, AS A STAFF COMMENT, THE APPLICANT HAS MET AND OR HAS AGREED TO ALL OF THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND SO THEY WILL GENERALLY BE FOCUSING ON, UH, STIPULATION ONE FOR REDUCING THE
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HEIGHT AND STIPULATION THREE FOR THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE WEST ELEVATION.AND THE APPLICANT, MICHELLE CRUZ IS WITH US VIRTUALLY THE PROPERTY OWNERS, RUDY AND CHRISTINA MASIAS ARE WITH US IN PERSON.
UH, THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THIS REQUEST AND ALSO TWO LETTERS.
ONE IS IN YOUR PACKETS AND THE OTHER LETTER I WILL PULL UP ON THE SCREEN NOW, MR. CRUZ, ARE YOU THERE? YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE STILL.
WELL, I THINK YOU JUST HAD IT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE CAN.
I AM THE ARCHITECT OF THIS PROJECT AND UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE'RE AN A DU ON A CORNER LOT ON THE CORNER OF LABOR AND SADIE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
UM, SO THEY DO NOT HAVE A BACKYARD PER SE OR UM, AN ALLEYWAY THAT THEY CAN ACCESS THIS.
SO, UM, WE FELT, UM, THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE WAS, UM, APPROPRIATE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN, UM, YEAH, WE CAN ACTUALLY LEAVE IT ON THIS SLIDE.
UM, I ADDED THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, HOW IT FITS, UM, ON YOU LOOK AT NUMBER TWO, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING HOME AND THE NEIGHBOR'S HOME.
ON THE OTHER OPPOSITE SIDE, IT'S ABOUT 15 FEET, UM, FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT HERE.
I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT REALLY QUICKLY THAT OUR FIRST FLOOR PLATE IS AT 10 FEET.
AND IF YOU NOTICE, THE HISTORIC HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ACTUALLY THREE FOOT OFF THE GROUND.
AND SO OUR, OUR ROOF HEIGHT AND OUR, OUR, OUR PORCH HEIGHT IS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD PORCH HEIGHTS, WHICH ARE LIKE FROM GROUND LEVEL 13 FEET IN THE AIR.
UM, SO PROPORTIONATELY WE'RE KEEPING IN LINE WITH THE 10 FOOT FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT, BUT WE'RE STILL ALLOWING THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOMES TO HAVE THAT PRESENCE, THE MORE IMPORTANT PRESENCE BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTUALLY TALLER, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT GROUND FLOOR TO CEILING.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE WEST ELEVATION BRIEFLY, I CAN TALK ABOUT THE WINDOWS THERE AND, UM, HOW WE, WE WORKED THOSE OUT.
SO WE, WE REDUCED THE SIZE HERE AND UM, WE MADE THESE, UM, THE TYPICAL TRANSOM SIZE THAT YOU WOULD SEE OVER A HISTORIC DOOR.
UM, PUTTING ONE OVER WINDOWS ON THIS SIDE DIDN'T FEEL RIGHT, ONLY BECAUSE THESE ARE PRIVATE AREAS, THESE ARE BATHROOMS AND CLOSETS.
UM, AND SO WE FELT THAT IN ORDER TO KEEP THE PRIVACY BOTH FROM THE NEIGHBOR AND FOR THE, MY CURRENT CLIENT, UM, THAT THIS WOULD BE HOPEFULLY, UM, A, A BETTER SITUATION FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.
AND AS UM, STAFF INDICATED WE'RE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, WE DID SUBMIT SPECS OF WHAT WE WILL BE USING AND SO WE ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT WILLING TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE OTHER, UM, DESIGN MATERIALS STIPULATIONS.
I WILL PULL THE VOICEMAIL LETTER OVER NOW THAT IS NOT IN YOUR PACKETS.
UM, AND THEN I WILL PLAY THE VOICEMAIL.
MY NAME IS EMILY ALDER AND I'M A RESIDENT AT THREE 20 SADIE STREET.
I AM IN THE NEIGHBOR OF, UM, THE MACIAS FAMILY AT 8 0 1 LABOR STREET AND THEY ARE GOING UNDER REVIEW TODAY FOR THEIR ACCESSORY DETACHED UNIT.
AND I'M CALLING TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THEIR UNIT AND SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE, WE WINDOWS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE FACING OUR HOUSE.
UM, THEIR DESIGN INCLUDES, UM, FOUR TRANSOM WINDOWS, WHICH WE WOULD ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE THE SMALL WINDOWS VERSUS GOING FULL-SIZE WINDOWS BECAUSE THOSE WINDOWS FACE OUR HOUSE.
AND WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRIVACY THAT THOSE SMALL TRANSOM WINDOWS WOULD GIVE BOTH OF OUR FAMILIES, UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S TWO, IT'S A TWO STORY UNIT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR NEED ANY FOLLOW UP, MY NAME IS EMILY.
YOU, I CAN BE REACHED AT TWO 10.
UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
JUST WANTED TO PUT OUT IF THERE WEREN'T ANY QUESTIONS THAT I'M, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION? SO BASICALLY THE ONLY STIPULATION YOU DON'T COMPLY WELL YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW TODAY IS STIPULATION ONE,
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BUT EVERYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD AGREE TO AND THREE YEAH.THE HEIGHT, THE, THE HEIGHT AND THE WEST SIDE WINDOWS.
SORRY, ONE IS THE HEIGHT, BUT SORRY.
THE THREE IS THE ONE WITH THE WINDOWS ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE COMPLIED WITH? YES.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, UH, ONE, UM, LET'S SAY WITH ALL STAFF REP RECOMMENDATIONS, LES, THAT THE, THE APPLICANT IS ENABLED TO CONTINUE WITH THE HEIGHT AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT AND IN LIGHT OF THE, THE, UM, UH, REFLECTION FROM THE NEIGHBOR THAT, UH, THE, UH, RIBBON WINDOWS ARE ALLOWED END OF MOTION.
SECOND, CAN I JUST CLARIFY, THAT WOULD BE A MOTION WITH STIPULATION 2, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN? YES, MA'AM.
ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST HAVE, UM, MOTION GROUP.
I, I GUESS IS, I MEAN YOU JUSTIFIED THE HEIGHT AND NOW THAT I, I THINK THAT LAST TIME WE, WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING FENESTRATIONS ON THEM.
I DUNNO WHAT'S ELEVATION IS THE ONE WHERE THE CARS ARE THE NORTH ELEVATION, THE NORTH, SO THAT, YEAH.
SEE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT REALLY BRIEFLY.
I KNOW THE STAFF DIDN'T REALLY DO ANY, THERE WAS NO ADDED STIPULATIONS ON IT, BUT WAS THAT EVER CONSIDERED OR? YEAH, I, I DID ACTUALLY TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION AND I LOOKED AT IT.
UM, IT DOESN'T WORK WELL ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WALL THEY HAVE ON THAT FIRST FLOOR THAT IS CLEAR FOR THEM TO LIKE HANG A TV OR ART OR, AND SO, UM, FOR US IT JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS, IT'S SO MUCH ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RAISED UP, UM, THAT IT FELT A LITTLE LIKE IT TOOK AWAY FROM THE PRIVACY.
BUT WHAT I DID DO IS I ADDED A TRANSOM TO THE DOOR THAT'S THERE TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, FENESTRATION THE STAFF THAT WAS NOT PART OF IT BECAUSE IT'S AN A DU AND WE DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND IT'S NOT THE FRONT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FACING A STREET.
WELL, I MEAN, NORMALLY WE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE FACADES THAT DON'T HAVE LIKE A BREAK OR SOMETHING AND IT JUST, BECAUSE IT'S AN A DU AND SO IT DOESN'T APPLY EVEN THOUGH IT'S FACING A STREET.
GENERALLY THE GUIDELINE IS THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE A BLANK WALL MORE THAN 40 LINEAR FEET.
AND SO WE FELT THAT THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THIS ELEVATION MET THE GUIDELINES ALSO ON THE SECOND FLOOR WITH THE BALCONY.
I GUESS I'M, WHERE THE BALCONY IS WAS JUST THE, THE DRAWING.
THERE'S ALSO, IT IS JUST THE HARDY BOARD, CORRECT.
ON THE OTHER, IN THE SAME NORTH ELEVATION.
ARE YOU ASKING ME A QUESTION? WELL, WHAT IS THERE, IS THAT A WINDOW? WHAT IS THERE ON THE BALCONY? IT'S JUST OPEN SPACE.
YEAH, THE BALCONY IS, UM, IT IS THE BALCONY.
I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE IT IN BETTER IN THE, YEAH.
ACTUALLY I HAVE A 3D MODELS OF THEM ON THE TOP.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE? EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR.
UM, I AGREE WITH THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE WINDOWS, UM, BOTH ON THE FRONT OR ON THE STREET FRONTAGE SIDE AS WELL AS THE SMALLER WINDOWS.
UM, BUT MORE SO I, I STILL HAVE AN, HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SCALE AND THE MASSING AND I BELIEVE THE LARGE ROOF THAT COVERS NOT ONLY THE INTERIOR SPACE BUT ALSO THE OPEN PORCH AND THEN THE CONNECTING CARPORT CONTRIBUTES TO THAT SENSE THAT THIS IS NOT A SUBORDINATE STRUCTURE TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
SO THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERNS LIE ON THIS.
IT DOES NOT READ AS A, AS A SECONDARY UNIT, AN ACCESSORY UNIT.
IT'S NOT ACCESSORY TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
IT'S ACTUALLY PROMINENT AND SIZED SO THAT IT COULD BE ITS OWN PRIMARY RESIDENCE, WHICH WOULD MAKE A NICE ONE, BUT IT'S ON A SHARED LOT.
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CORNER MAKES IT ESPECIALLY MORE CRITICAL HOW IT'S PERCEIVED.SO I, I'M STILL, UM, MY JURY IS OUT ON THIS RIGHT NOW.
ON THE HDRC AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH EIGHT OR 3 5 9, UH, FIVE 18 EAST PARK AVENUE.
UH, REQUEST IS APPLICANT REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING ONE-STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TWO.
CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH ROOF DECK THREE.
CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STORY SHED ON A CONCRETE SLAB FOUNDATION.
ADD A 19 POINT A HALF FOOT CONCRETE CONNECTION FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO THE PROPOSED TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
AND FIVE, ADD A GRAVEL PARKING AREA AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, DEMOLITION OF THE DETACHED REAR ONE.
ROY GARAGE BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH G.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT FURTHER EXPLORE RETENTION OR INCORPORATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE INTO THE PROPOSED PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
SHOULD THE COMMISSION FIND THAT THE CONDITIONS REQUIRED FOR APPROVAL OF DEMOLITION HAVE BEEN MET, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO THROUGH FIVE CONSTRUCTION OF A A ONE TWO STORY AND ONE ONE STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS H THROUGH R WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT SALVAGE MATERIALS BE USED IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.
THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE MASS AND SCALE OF THE TWO STORY ACCESSORY CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, INCLUDING REDUCTION OF THE FOOTPRINT TO NOT EXCEED 50% OF THAT OF THE PRIMARY AND A REDUCTION IN HEIGHT.
THREE, THAT THE SECOND FLOOR AND ROOF DECK RAILING SHOULD FEATURE WOOD POSTS AND TOP RAILS.
AS NOTED IN FINDING K FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFIES THE NUMBER OF STYLES OF WINDOWS ON THE TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BY REPLACING FIXED WINDOWS WITH ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS AS PROPOSED ELSEWHERE ON THE STRUCTURE.
AS NOTED IN FINDING L FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SIMPLIFIED DESIGN FOR THE ROOF DECK STAIRS THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE MAIN HOUSE, AS NOTED IN FINDING M SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WOOD OR WOOD CLAD DOORS FOR BOTH ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AS NOTED IN FINDING K AND P AND SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
UM, THERE ARE TWO LETTERS ON FILE FOR YOUR REVIEW, AND WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP FOR IN-PERSON, PUBLIC COMMENT, NO VOICEMAILS, UH, AND THE APPLICANT, MICHAEL KRAUS IS HERE IN PERSON.
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UM, OTHER COMMENTS ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? I GOT A COMMENT FOR STAFF, A QUESTION FOR STAFF.UH, BEFORE THAT WE DO HAVE A, UH, IN PERSON YOU DO RICKY KUSHNER.
I HAVE A, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVANTE, YOU HAD, I MEAN, VELASQUEZ, YOU HAD QUESTIONS? WELL, YES.
I, I'M CURIOUS IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT STAFF, UM, WAS THINKING OR IS THINKING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITION AND, AND WHAT THE RELEVANCE IS HISTORICALLY TO YOU.
THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS, UM, ORIGINAL TO THE SITE OF THE HOUSE.
IT APPEARS ON THE FIRST SANBORN.
AND SO, UM, IT STAFF FOUND IT CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROPERTY THE YEAR, THE YEAR OF THAT FIRST SANBORN, THE SANBORN'S, UM, I BELIEVE IT SAYS 1931.
LET ME DOUBLE CHECK MR. CHAIR.
I IMAGINE THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE WINDOWS AND, RIGHT, AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I MEAN, STAFF IS NOT MAKING A DETERMINATION THAT THERE AREN'T STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES OR INADEQUACIES TO THE A DU.
WHAT IS NEEDED IS TO DEMONSTRATE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY NEEDING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COST TO REUSE AND UTILIZE THAT STRUCTURE IS BASED ON THE ENGINEER'S, UH, OBSERVATIONS.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF ALSO WHERE I WAS GOING OR PRE, I MEAN, THE THING IS WE HAVE TO FIND LOSS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH COULD NOT FIND, AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIND ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
SO I SEE IN THE FINDINGS THAT STAFF WAS NOT ABLE TO DO A SITE VISIT.
WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT FOR US TO COME AND SEE IT? SURE.
I KNOW THE ENGINEER HAS A LETTER FOR YOU, BUT SOMETIMES THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP MAYBE ALSO WITH STAFF TO MAKE THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING.
I'M KNOW, MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN MAKE A MOTION.
UH, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
UH, DO YOU HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE MAIN HOUSE AND THEN YOUR PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR YOUR TWO NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURES? SO THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE HAS A FOOTPRINT OF 1,628 SQUARE FEET.
THE TWO STORY, UH, PROPOSED STRUCTURES, TOTAL FOOTPRINT IS 812 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A PROPOSED 256 SQUARE FOOT SHED.
UH, SO IN TOTAL IT'S, UH, 65.6% OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURES FOOTPRINT.
IT'S NOT LIKE TYPICAL RUNNING AROUND 6,000 SQUARE FEET,
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4,000 SQUARE FEET BIGGER, THREE SQUARE FEET, LESS THAN 1%.SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT OFF, SO, OKAY.
OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE, UM, SO THE STAIRCASE HAS BEEN REMOVED, AND DO YOU HAVE, UM, JUST QUICKLY GOING THROUGH THE PACKAGE, DO YOU HAVE DESIGN DRAWINGS THAT REFLECT THAT? UH, I HAVE IT, UH, GOT IT TODAY ACTUALLY.
OF SUPPORT FOR THIS WHICH, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, FROM THE STREET, THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL STRUCTURE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO DOWN HERE, YOU CAN BARELY SEE THIS STRUCTURE FROM THE STREET.
SO LITERALLY THE NEW STRUCTURE, IT'S GONNA LOOK ABOUT THE SAME.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE A COUPLE WINDOWS AND A DOOR.
IT APPEARS FROM YOUR SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE PARKING THAT'S GOING TO BE ACCESSED ON THE REAR SIDE OF THE LOT? YES.
SO THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO GET PARKING ONTO THE PROPERTY? YES.
YEAH, SO HE, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IS THEY'VE GOT SOME FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE GETTING OLDER AND THEY WANT TO HAVE HIM COME LIVE.
SO, UM, THE ALLEY IS PRETTY CLEAN FOR THE MOST PART, SO IT MADE SENSE TO, AND WE'RE GONNA DO SHADOW STONE, SO IT'LL BE REALLY NICE AND, UH, JUST MADE SENSE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM SOME OTHER ACCESS.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A, A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO A DRC SITE VISIT.
AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FIRST STEPS FIRST IS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE DEMOLITION, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT THE MATERIALS AND SPECIFICALLY ALSO BEFORE WE REQUIRE YOU TO DO RECYCLING, IF IT'S REALLY EVEN POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK THE SITE ALSO WILL GIVE US KIND OF AN IDEA OF, UM, AND I GUESS THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN ON THE HEIGHT AND THE, AND THE, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THE, SO THE, THE MAIN HOUSE IS ACTUALLY FOUR AND A HALF FEET HIGHER THAN THE BUILD SITE FOR THE A DU.
IT'S A SIX INCH, SIX THINK IT'S EIGHT INCH THINK DIFFERENCE IN THE ROOF.
SO I'M GONNA JUST FINISH REAL QUICK AND THEN WE CAN GET LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
UM, SO I THINK SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS STILL SHOULD BE THERE.
SO I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THEM.
UM, MAYBE JUST MAKE SURE ABOUT THE FOOTPRINT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FOOTPRINT SLASH UH, HEIGHT.
AND THEN IF, MAKE SURE THAT STAFF REMOVES THE ROOF DECK, UM, OPTION FROM YOUR APPLICATION.
AND I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE PLATE HEIGHTS ON THE TWO LEVELS.
AND, UM, TYPICALLY ADUS AND, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
THE SECOND FLOOR IS NOT AS TALL AS THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, I KNOW IT'S TWO DWELLING UNITS, BUT, UM, I THINK LOOKING AT THAT 10 FOOT HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AND, AND HOPEFULLY BROUGHT DOWN TO BRING THE SCALE.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IT AT? WELL, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT IT AND, UH, POSSIBLY DO A SECTION AND LOOK AT MAYBE A VAULTED CEILING IN THERE WHERE YOU COULD BRING THE, THE PLATE HEIGHT DOWN, UM, ON THE GABLE.
UH, SO LIKE NINE FEET OR, I THINK YOU NEED TO AGAIN LOOK AT IT AND PROPOSE SOMETHING.
BUT SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE TO, UH, AN A DU.
E EVEN THOUGH IT'S SIX FEET, EIGHT INCHES LOWER THAN THE MAIN HOUSE.
YES, BECAUSE JUST LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS, IT, IT LOOKS TOP HEAVY WITH A, THE 10 FOOT CEILING HEIGHT IN THE, ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE.
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ITEM 21.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21 HDRC CASE 2023 DASH 4 45 1 28 WEST FRENCH PLACE.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL FOUR FOOT TALL WOOD FRONT YARD FENCE TWO INSTALL 18 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY THREE, INSTALL 12 FOOT WIDE, CRUSHED GRANITE DRIVEWAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
INSTALL 648 SQUARE FOOT PARKING PAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND FIVE, INSTALL 440 SQUARE FOOT BRICK PATIO ON TO THE FRONT ENTRYWAY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF FOUR FOOT TALL WOODEN FENCE TO THE FRONT YARD BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FINDING FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED PEDESTRIAN GATES AND FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE HDRC AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE.
ITEM TWO STAFF DOES NOT APPROVE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.
APRON BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER UTILIZE THE EXISTING CURB CUT ON HOWARD STREET.
IF THE HRC IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE A NEW CURB CUT REQUESTS, THE NEW CURB CUT SHOULD NOT EXCEED 12 FEET IN WIDTH.
ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF OUR CROSS GRANITE DRIVEWAY BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A REAR DRIVEWAY UTILIZE IN THE EXISTING CURB CUT ON HOWARD STREET AND THAT THE NEW DRIVEWAYS ORIENTED PARALLEL TO WEST FRENCH PLACE SOUTH OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
AND TWO, THAT THE DRIVEWAY SHOULD NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN IN WIDTH.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED MEASURED SITE PLAN FOR STAFF REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
ITEM FOUR, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE 400 648 SQUARE FOOT PARKING PAD BASED ON FINDING F ITEM FIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A 440 SQUARE FOOT BRICK PATIO ON THE FRONT ENTRY BASED ON FINDING G AND THE PROPERTY OWNER LAURA PALMER IS HERE IN PERSON.
HELLO EVERYONE, I'M LAURA PALMER.
I AM THE NEW OWNER OF THE GOULD ONG HOUSE AT 1 2 8 WEST FRENCH PLACE.
I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH HISTORIC, UH, PROCESSES SINCE I WAS A CHILD.
I'M FROM BOULDER, COLORADO ORIGINALLY AND WAS AT PROBABLY WAY TOO EARLY IN AGE INVOLVED WITH THE HISTORIC COMMISSION IN BOULDER.
I WAS ABOUT EIGHT YEARS OLD WHEN I BECAME, UH, INVOLVED.
SO WHEN I MOVED TO SAN ANTONIO ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, I WAS VERY THRILLED TO MOVE INTO THE GOLD ON ORDON HOUSE.
HOWEVER, AS MANY PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA HAVE, IT HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT OVER TIME.
WHAT WAS ONCE A LARGE PROPERTY THAT FACED EXTENDING TO ASHBY IN AROUND THE 1880S HAS NOW COMPLETELY CHANGED.
THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS NOW FACING A FENCE IN THE BACK OF THE YARD.
WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS NOW THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND FACES WEST FRENCH PLACE, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL BACKYARD.
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF A HISTORIC DRIVE OR CURB CUT ANYWHERE ON THE HISTORIC, ON THE CURRENT PROPERTY.
JULIAN'S STUDIO WAS SOMEWHERE ON THE LOT.
UH, NOW IT IS AT THE WOODY MUSEUM.
WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF WHERE IT WAS NOT TO MENTION A DRIVEWAY OR ACCESS OR CURB CUTS.
SO NOW I'M ASKING FOR NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT THE OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE, WHICH IS A DRIVE THAT ORIGINATES FROM WEST FRENCH THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO MY HOUSE AND ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION.
FIVE OF THE SIX HOUSES ON WEST FRENCH ALL HAVE THIS ACCESS.
THERE'S CURRENTLY A GRAVEL PARKING SPACE THAT'S IN THE REAR OF THE LOT, WHICH ORIGINATES FROM HOWARD.
THIS WAS SET UP BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER ABOUT A YEAR AFTER ANOTHER LARGE PORTION OF THE LOT HAD BEEN SOLD TO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH.
THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE HAS BEEN MAINTAINED TO SOME EXTENT OVER THE PAST A HUNDRED YEARS.
UM, HOWEVER, THE LOT HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED CURRENTLY.
THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE LOT CONVEY A VISUAL IMPRESSION,
THE ACCESS TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS ONLY AVAILABLE VIA AN 80 FOOT WALKWAY ALONG WEST FRENCH OR FROM THE FRONT YARD IF SOMEONE PARKS ON IT, WHICH PREVIOUS OWNERS HAVE BEEN DOING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AGAIN, THERE IS NO CURB CUT ALONG HOW WELL, SORRY.
THERE'S NO CURB AT ALL ALONG HOWARD.
MY NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH HAD ONE INSTALLED RECENTLY, JUST IN THEIR PORTION, GIVEN THE LACK OF PARKING EXTERNAL TO THE LOT AND NO CURB ON HOWARD, OFTENTIMES VISITORS, UH, DRIVE ON THE FRONT YARD AND PARK THERE.
MY OBJECTIVE IS TO UPGRADE THE FRONT YARD TO PROVIDE A CLEAR VISUAL AND PHYSICAL ORIENTATION TO THE, THE NOW FRONT OF THE HOUSE FROM WEST FRENCH PLACE.
THE RESULT IS TO CONVEY THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 18, UH, 1882,
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AND THE PROPERTY FROM THE CURRENT FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON WEST FRENCH PLACE.HOPEFULLY THIS WILL IMPROVE THE AESTHETIC IMPRESSION THAT IS OFFERED BY THE HISTORIC PROPERTY.
I'D LIKE TO BUILD A DRIVEWAY FROM WEST FRENCH THAT TERMINATES NEAR THE ENTRANCE TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THE PARKING WILL BE ON THE VERY LEFT SIDE OF THE FRONT ENTRANCE, SO A PARKED VEHICLE WILL NOT OBSCURE THE VISIBLE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON ONCE WEST FRENCH PLACE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO FENCE, FENCE THE FRONT YARD IN A MANNER THAT IDENTIFIES THE ACCESS TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE VIA THE DRIVEWAY.
I'D LIKE TO BURY THE AERIAL POWER AND UTILITY LINES THAT EXTEND TO THE HOUSE FROM A UTILITY POLE POLE NEAR THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT ALONG WEST FRENCH.
I PLAN TO LANDSCAPE THE FRONT YARD SO IT NO LONGER LOOKS LIKE A PARKING LOT.
UH, AND I'D LIKE TO EXTEND THE PRIVACY FENCING ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO DIRECT VISITORS TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
OFTENTIMES MY AMAZON PACKAGES GET DELIVERED TO VERY STRANGE PLACES ON THE PROPERTY.
CURRENTLY IT'S NOT CLEAR TO VISITORS WHERE THE MAIN ENTRY OF THE HOUSE IS INVITED.
GUESTS DELIVERY AND SERVICE PEOPLE TEND TO WANDER AROUND THE HOUSE, LIKE I MENTIONED, LOOKING FOR AN ENTRY DOOR.
THERE IS NO PARKING ON THE SIDE OF WEST FRENCH OR ON HOWARD THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE LOT.
VISITORS PARK ACROSS THE STREET ON WEST FRENCH.
HOWEVER, DURING SCHOOL, UH, AT THE SCHOOL NEARBY, UH, THERE IS NO PARKING ALONG THAT NORTH SIDE OF WEST FRENCH, SO THERE REALLY IS NO PARKING, UH, PUBLIC PARKING AROUND THE AREA AT ALL.
THERE IS NO CURB ALONG THE SIDE OF THE LOT THAT'S ADJACENT TO HOWARD.
I'D LIKE TO INQUIRE ACTUALLY WITH THE CITY TO GET, UH, ONE INSTALLED FOLLOWING THIS PROCESS TO THE WEST OF THE LOT.
UM, THE HOUSE THAT IS ACROSS HOWARD, WELL, SORRY, TO THE WEST OF THE LOT ACROSS ON HOWARD, THERE IS A LARGE CATHOLIC CHARITIES FACILITY THAT SUPPORTS AND PROCESSES VARIOUS TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO IMMIGRATE INTO THE US.
MANY OF THE SERVICE RECIPIENTS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT 1 2 8 WEST FRENCH IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND HAVE A TENDENCY TO EITHER PARK IN THE YARD OR HANG OUT THERE.
THERE'S ALSO MULTIPLE ITINERANT IN THE, AN AREA THAT, UH, ROAM THE STREETS.
THE SOUTH OF THE LOT IS FENCED WITH A GATE.
UH, HOWEVER, I HAVE HAD TIMES RECENTLY WHERE SOMEONE HAS COME INTO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND ATTEMPTED BREAK-IN.
UM, AS A RESULT, NOW I HAVE TO KEEP THE BACKYARD LOCKED AT ALL TIMES.
AND SO USING THAT PARKING PAD IN THE BACK HAS BECOME VERY INCONVENIENT.
ADDITIONALLY, ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AFTER YOU GO THROUGH THE GATE INCLUDES WALKING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BACKYARD AND CLIMBING A FLIGHT OF STAIRS TO THE REAR PORCH.
AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING THAT ANY OF THE OTHER HOUSES DON'T HAVE.
UH, STAFF HAS APPROVED MY OTHER REQUESTS ALREADY.
UH, DUE IN LARGE PART TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF WELL, HOW FABULOUS TO HAVE PAINTINGS FROM JULIAN THAT SHOW A FENCE IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT I AM WILLING TO BE FLEXIBLE ON CERTAIN THINGS.
OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN ADJUST THE SIZE OF THE DRIVEWAY, THE, THE MATERIALS FOR THE DRIVEWAY OR CHANGE THE BRICK ON THE PORCH.
ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR.
LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE, UH, REDUCED THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVE TO 12 FEET.
PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? MM-HMM,
QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION? I GOT A QUESTION.
STAFF, COULD YOU GO TO PAGE 22 OF THE, OF THE APPLICANT'S? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WHICH ONE IT IS.
IT'S THE SITE REVISED SITE PLAN AS OF 12 8 20 23 IS THAT'S AN ACCURATE, UM, DEPICTION OF THE REQUEST.
YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T HAVE THE ARCHITECT ADD THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADD A GATE WHERE THAT, UM, PARKING PAD IS TO THE, THE SOUTH OF THE LOT.
CAN STAFF PUT THEIR CURSOR AT THAT SPOT? YES.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S HOW I WOULD LIKE IT.
SQUI SQUARES IT UP REAL NICELY.
YEAH, IT'S, IT MAKES THE FRONT YARD A LOT MORE USABLE.
WELL THAT WAS, SO YOU WERE STILL GONNA USE THAT PARKING PAD ON HOWARD AND YOU STILL WANT THAT AS BEING PARKING ACCESS? EVENTUALLY I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT INTO A GARDEN.
IT'S GOT FULL SUN AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT VEGGIE GARDEN.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE GATE OR THE FENCE, I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE OPENING TO ELIMINATING THAT KIND OF DRIVE, FAKE DRIVE, WHATEVER DRIVEWAY SO THAT WE SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S JUST MOVE EVERYTHING TO FRENCH PLACE.
IF YOU ARE GONNA DO THE FENCE, CONTINUE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IF THAT'S A WAY AROUND IT, THEN I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU'VE MADE A REALLY GOOD CASE FOR A DRIVEWAY ON, ON WEST FRENCH, BUT I'LL ALSO NOT, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE MORE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN ELIMINATE THAT HOWARD ACCESS PLEASE.
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I WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT.I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR VEHICLE ACCESS OFF OF WEST FRENCH PLACE.
SO YOUR, YOU'RE FENCING MUCH OF THE AREA, BUT IS THE DRIVEWAY THE PARKING AND BACKUP AREA? MM-HMM.
UM, IS THAT UNSECURED? IS THERE A GATE? IT WILL BE UNSECURED.
IT'LL BE JUST BE, OR IT'S OPEN? IT'LL BE OPEN.
I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS.
SO APPROVE ITEM ONE WITH STIPULATION ITEM NUMBER TWO AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT TODAY.
AND ITEM THREE, FOUR AND FIVE SECOND AS SORRY, UM, AS PRESENTED TODAY.
ANY DISCUSSION? SHOULD I JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE CURB CUT IS NO MORE THAN 12 INCHES? OKAY.
TO CLOSE THAT AGENDA, ITEM 22, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 81 2 32 CAMARGO THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE TWO EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE EXISTING REAR EDITION WITH WOOD WINDOWS AND MODIFY THE OPENINGS.
CONSTRUCT A COVERED A REAR COVERED DECK.
THREE, CONSTRUCT A REAR CARPORT.
FOUR, REPLACE THE EXISTING REAR GRAVEL APRON WITH A CONCRETE APRON.
REPLACE THE EXISTING REAR GRAVEL DRIVEWAY WITH A NEW GRAVEL DRIVEWAY WITH BRICK FEATURES.
REPLACE THE EXISTING EAST SIDE CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A METAL POST CATTLE PANEL FENCE SEVEN.
REPLACE THE EXISTING EAST SIDE CHAIN LINK DRIVEWAY GATE WITH THE CORRUGATED METAL SLIDING DRIVEWAY.
REPLACE THE EXISTING GARAGE DOORS WITH MODERN STEEL GARAGE DOORS.
CONSTRUCT A SIDE ADDITION ON THE WEST WEST SIDE OF THE EXISTING REAR ADDITION.
AND 10 CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPRO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING REAR ADDITIONS REAR FACADE BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT STALL FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
AN ALTERNATIVE WINDOW MATERIAL MAY BE CONSIDERED BY STAFF IF THE WINDOW CONFORMS TO THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, WHICH ARE STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REAR COVER DECK CONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDINGS A AND C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACED THE PROPOSED STEEL TWO COLUMNS WITH NEW WOOD COLUMNS TO BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX BY SIX INCHES IN WIDTH AND FEATURE A TRADITIONAL CAP AND BASE WITH CHAMFORD CORNERS.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE WITH STANDARD STAFF STIPULATIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REAR CARPORT CONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDINGS A AND D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACE THE PROPOSED STEEL FRAMING WITH WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND STEEL TUBE COLUMNS WITH NEW WOOD COLUMNS TO BE MAXIMUM OF SIX BY SIX INCHES AND WIDTH AND FEATURE TRADITIONAL C AND BASE CHAFER CORNERS.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT'S INSTALL STEAM METAL ROOF, UH, WITH STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS.
AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND MAINTAINS THE VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
ITEM FOUR STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING GRAVEL APRON WITH A CONCRETE APRON BASED ON FINDING ITS A AND E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT STALL A CONCRETE APRON, APRON NOT TO EXCEED 12 FEET AND WIDTH ITEM FIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVEWAY WITH THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY WITH BRICK FEATURES BASED ON FINDINGS A AND F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT FOLLOWED THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY AND TWO THAT THE APPLICANT
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USED GRAVEL NATURAL COLOR AND NOT EXCEED TWO INCHES IN SIZE.ITEM SIX, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE EAST SIDE CHAIN LINK FENCE REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A AND G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT TO STAFF FENCE SITE PLAN PRIOR TO THE APPLICANT RETURNING FOR FINAL REVIEW.
TWO, THAT THE FENCE DOES NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND THREE THAT THE APPLICANT USES WOOD POST AND RAILING.
ITEM SEVEN, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SITE LINK EAST SIDE CHAIN LINK DRIVEWAY GATE BASED ON FINDINGS A AND H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT TO THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT TO STAFF A FENCE SITE PLAN PRIOR TO THE APPLICANT RETURN FOR FINAL REVIEW.
TWO, THAT THE GATE DOES NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A GATE SYSTEM THAT CONFORMS THE GUIDELINES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING GARAGE DOORS BASED ON FINDINGS A AND I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SAW A FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOOR OR GARAGE WITH A DESIGN THAT MIMICS WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND FEATURES A SMOOTH FINISH WITHOUT A FULL GRAIN TEXTURE.
FINAL GARAGE DOOR SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE SITE EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A AND JA AND J THROUGH Q WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT USED COMPLIMENTARY MATERIALS FOR THE PROPOSED SIDING AND FOUNDATION SKIRTING.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT USE A CONFORMING ROOF FORMS SUCH AS A GABLE OR SHED ROOF.
AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT'S NEEDS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
AND ITEM 10 STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A, A AND R THROUGH Z WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT USE COMPLIMENTARY MATERIALS FOR THE PROPOSED SIDING AND FOUNDATION SKIRTING.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT USE A CONFORMING ROOF FORMS SUCH AS THE GABLE OR SHED ROOF.
AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
THERE ARE NO LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW.
UM, THERE WAS A LATE FILE SUBMITTED.
UH, I WILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT AS WELL.
GOOD EVENING, FERNANDO MORALES, CANDID WORKS ARCHITECTS.
UM, SO WE'RE VERY, UM, HAPPY THAT STAFF HAS GRANTED, UM, APPROVAL TO OR REC IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR ALL OF THE ITEMS, UM, THAT WE, THAT ARE LISTED.
UM, HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO RAISE FOR DISCUSSION SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS UNDER SOME OF THE ITEMS TO SEE IF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE OPEN TO, UM, SOME ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST.
SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THEM ALL AT ONCE.
UM, AND I HAVE, I'VE PUT TOGETHER SOME SLIDES WITH SOME IMAGES TO SUPPLEMENT, UM, UH, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GONNA SHARE.
SO I'D LIKE TO COVER ITEMS TWO AND THREE, UH, AT ONCE AS THEY SORT OF RELATE TO EACH OTHER.
SO THESE ITEMS INCLUDE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED, BACK DECK AND CARPORT, TRELLIS STRUCTURES BE WOOD INSTEAD OF STEEL AND FEATURE SOLID STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS INSTEAD OF STEEL PURLINS WITH CATTLE PANEL.
UM, WOULD THE COMMISSION BE OPEN TO APPROVING A VINE COVERED STEEL TRELLIS STRUCTURE AND THE STYLE OF PRECEDENCE THAT CAN BE SEEN ELSEWHERE IN THE LAVACA NEIGHBORHOOD? AND I'LL ADMIT MY BIAS HERE, THESE PRECEDENTS THAT I HAVE IN MIND AND THE ONES THAT ARE PICTURED ON THE SLIDES ARE ALL PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY OUR FIRM OVER THE YEARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT WERE GRANTED APPROVAL, UM, WHEN THEY CAME UP FOR REVIEW.
UM, SO JUST TO EXPLAIN A BIT OF THE LOGIC BEHIND WHY THIS IS SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO DO.
UM, WE PREFER THIS APPROACH TO PRODUCING SHADE, UM, AS OPPOSED TO WOOD STRUCTURES FEATURING SOLID ROOFS BECAUSE THE STEEL OFFERS GREATER LONGEVITY THAN WOOD IN MOST CASES, AND BECAUSE IT HAS A GREATER STRENGTH TO MASS RATIO.
SO WE CAN COVER THE SAME AMOUNT OF AREA WITH LESS MATERIAL.
AND, UM, AND IT TYPICALLY RESULTS IN STRUCTURES THAT TEND TO BE JUST VISUALLY LIGHTER AND MORE DELICATE TO THE EYE AND, UM, ENABLE THEM TO RECEDE INTO THE BACKGROUND A BIT MORE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE VINE COVERAGE ON THEM REACHES FULL MATURITY.
UM, ALSO A TRELLIS COVERING AS OPPOSED TO A SOLID ROOF ALLOWS FILTERED LIGHT TO REACH GROUND LEVEL.
AND IN, IN THIS CASE, WITH THIS DESIGN, THIS HOMEOWNER WI WISHES TO COVER QUITE A BIT OF THE BACKYARD, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH THE CARPORT.
AND SO IF WE DID A SOLID ROOF, IT WOULD JUST BE PRETTY DARK BACK THERE AND NOT BE A VERY NICE PLACE TO HANG OUT.
UM, ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE, THESE ITEMS INCLUDE STIPULATIONS THAT OUR NEW DRIVEWAY AND DRIVEWAY AP APRON NOT EXCEED 12 FEET IN WIDTH.
UM, WE'RE CERTAINLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE LOGIC BEHIND THE STIPULATION BECAUSE THE WIDTHS OF
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THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND THE EXISTING GATE AND THE EXISTING APRON DO ALL NARROW DOWN TO 12 TO ROUGHLY 12 FEET IN WIDTH AS THEY GET CLOSE TO THE STREET.UM, HOWEVER, WE'D LIKE TO ASK IF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE OPEN TO ALLOWING A 20 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, UM, FROM THE FACE OF THE GARAGE TO THE STREET, WHICH WOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE TWO CARS SIDE BY SIDE, JUST GIVEN THE REALITY THAT THE EXISTING GARAGE IS A TWO CAR GARAGE, UM, AND THAT THERE ARE PRECEDENTS NEARBY OF DRIVEWAYS AND DRIVEWAY GATES WIDER THAN 12 FEET.
UM, AS PICTURED IN THE SLIDES, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT OUR DRIVEWAY WOULD BE ON THE SIDE STREET IF, UM, AND IF, UH, AND IF GRANTED THE 20 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, AN APRON WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PRIMARY, UM, FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UH, THE, THE ON THE SIDE STREET IT WOULD BE VISIBLE TO, UM, A SCHOOL PROPERTY THAT NEIGHBORS ON THAT SIDE OF THE LOT.
AND SO IT'S OUR FEELING THAT ALLOWING THE WIDER DRIVEWAY WOULD, UM, HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, ITEM SIX STIPULATES THAT OUR PROPOSED NEW, UH, PORTION OF STEEL AND CATTLE PANEL FENCING ON THE SIDE, FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE NEW DRIVEWAY GATE FEATURE WOOD POSTS AND RAILINGS RATHER THAN STEEL HERE, I WOULD JUST REFER BACK TO THE LOGIC I SHARED EARLIER CONCERNING WOOD VERSUS STEEL STRUCTURES AND AGAIN, APPEAL TO EXAMPLES OF STEEL AND CATTLE PANEL FENCES THAT EXIST AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHICH ARE ALSO PICTURED IN THE SLIDES.
UM, ITEM EIGHT STIPULATES THAT WE INSTALL FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOORS OR DOORS THAT MIMIC WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH WITHOUT A FAUX WOOD GRAIN TEXTURE.
UM, HERE I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE OPEN TO A DOOR SUCH AS, UM, THE ONE PICTURED IN THE SLIDES.
IT'S A SLIDE, UM, THAT JUST HAS SORT OF A WOOD LOOKING GARAGE DOOR ON IT BY ITSELF.
UM, SO, UH, THE OWNER'S PROPOSING TO USE THIS STYLE OF GARAGE DOOR.
IT'S A STEEL DOOR THAT'S A WOOD LOOK.
UM, IT, IT'S NOT WOOD LOOK IN THE SENSE THAT IT HAS LIKE RAISED AND RECESSED PANELS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE RAISED OR RECESSED PANELS, BUT IT, IT MIMICS WOOD IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S JUST HORIZONTAL, UH, WOOD LOOK BOARDS, UM, THAT WOULD BE STAINED, NOT NECESSARILY THIS COLOR THAT YOU SEE, UH, THAT ARE A VARIETY OF OPTIONS.
AND SO WE WOULD SUBMIT DURING FINAL REVIEW FOR, UH, LIKE WHAT COLOR WE WOULD WE WOULD LIKE TO USE AND GAIN APPROVAL FOR THAT.
BUT THIS STYLE OF DO AND CONCEPT IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE OPEN TO.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT DOES HAVE THE FAUX WOODGRAIN TEXTURE.
WE'VE DONE SOME LOOKING AROUND AND IT'S HARD TO FIND A SMOOTH STEEL DOOR THAT'S A WOOD LOOK, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE FAKE, UM, IMPRESSION OF THE WOOD GRAIN TEXTURE.
UM, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT THE DISTANCE FROM THE STREET WOULD SORT OF DIMINISH CONCERN OVER THAT.
UM, AND THEN ITEM SEVEN, NINE, AND 10 ALL COVERED TOGETHER BECAUSE THOSE RELATE AS WELL.
THESE ITEMS STIPULATE THE USE OF MATERIALS DEEMED COMPLIMENTARY TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UM, SO IN OUR DESIGN WE'RE PROPOSING CORRUGATED CORE 10 STEEL SIDING ON THE TWO ADDITIONS TO THE HOUSE.
AND, UM, A PERFORATED VERSION OF THAT SAME CORRUGATED CORE 10 STEEL ON THE GATE.
UM, OUR FEELING WAS THAT THIS MATERIAL COMPLIMENTS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE BY PROVIDING A PLEASING COLOR AND TEXTURAL CONTRAST TO THE STUCCO WALLS OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE AND THAT IT TIES IN WITH THE, UH, EXISTING RED METAL ROOF ON THE HOUSE.
UM, ALL OF THIS HELPING TO MARK THE NEW ELEMENTS AS DISTINCT FROM THE HISTORIC ONES, BUT IN CONVERSATION WITH THEM IN THESE WAYS.
UM, WE ALSO FELT THAT METAL SIDING COULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CODDING MATERIAL GIVEN THE VARIOUS PRECEDENTS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AGAIN, MANY OF WHICH HAVE HAVE BEEN DESIGNED BY US.
UM, AND SO ON THESE, ON THIS POINT, WE'RE WANTING TO GAUGE THE COMMISSION'S OPENNESS TO CORRUGATED CORTEN, UM, THIS PARTICULAR SORT OF COLOR AND TEXTURE OF METAL AS A CLADDING OPTION FOR BOTH THE HOUSE ADDITIONS AND THE GATE.
UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE SOME, YES.
I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE APPLICANT, YES, I, UM, I I LIKE YOUR DESIGN, I LOVE YOUR DESIGN AND I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, A BEAUTIFUL ELEMENTS OF IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THIS, BUT ALL THE OTHER WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR IN TOWN ABOUT ADLEY HEIRS, RIGHT? I DON'T SAY ADLEY AIRS BUILDING OR THERE'S AN ADLEY AIRS BUILDING, EXCUSE ME, SIGNIFICANT OF THE, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER I INTEREST.
WELL IS THIS LEADING TO A QUESTION? UH, UM,
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OR SHOULD THESE BE SAVED FOR DISCUSSION AFTER? WELL, I'M NOT DISCUSSING WITH THE COMMISSION, BUT IF YOU PREFER THAT I DISCUSS COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT DURING DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION, I, I I'LL OBLIGE SIR.SO I'M ENTERTAINING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ATTEMPT A MOTION.
IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, WE'LL ATTEMPT A MOTION AND THEN THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, RIGHT? SO, UM, SORRY, IT'S 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS. SO, UH, ALSO BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR CHOICES, SO I'LL SAY APPROVE ITEM, UM, ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, BUT THEN ITEM THREE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH THE SETBACK STIPULATION ITEM NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATION.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE WOULD BE WITH STAFF.
ITEM FIVE WOULD BE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ITEM NUMBER SIX WITH, SO SORRY, SO THAT'LL BE SIX, SO 4, 5, 6, 7 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AS PRESENTED.
AND THEN I'M GONNA KEEP ITEM NINE AND 10 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THEN ADD A STIPULATION IF, IF WE CAN DISCUSS THESE CHANGES IN MATERIAL IN A DRC IF YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO IT.
I BELIEVE SO I WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG MYSELF.
SO BASICALLY, I MEAN, ITEM ONE AND TWO AND THREE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR THE WINDOWS.
MM-HMM,
THE CARPORT, SORRY, THE CARPORT WITH THE MATERIALS AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT HAVING THE, A SOLID ROOF, IT'S SOLID ROOF VERSUS THE PERFORATE.
SO ITEM NUMBER THREE AS PRESENTED, BUT YOU STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO GET A VARIANCE.
SO I'M KEEPING THAT PART OF THAT STIPULATION.
WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT AND I THINK, AND YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY BEING 12, THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY IN YOUR DESIGN TO MAKE THAT APPROACH INTO A DOUBLE CAR.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M KEEPING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ALSO WHAT'S COMMONLY FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE SOME SPECIFIC CASES, WHETHER IT IS, BUT IT MIGHT ALSO HAVE BEEN THERE FROM A LONG TIME AGO, WHICH IS USUALLY THE CASE.
BUT IF WHEN THERE IS A DRIVEWAY IT SHOULD BE KEPT AT THE 12 FEET.
AND THEN, SO ITEM NUMBER 5, 6, 7, AND I GUESS THE WHOLE REST WITH THE STAB STIPULATIONS.
THE ONLY THING IS I REMOVE THE, REMOVE THE STIPULATION OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS THE GARAGE DOOR.
I THINK IT COMPLIMENTS YOUR CARPORT DESIGN WITH THE PATIO ON THE SIDE.
UM, THE REASON WHY I'M KEEPING THE STIPULATION FOR THE FENCING IS JUST USUALLY WHAT WE HAVE ALSO APPROVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO OPEN TO IDEAS.
AND THE REASON WHY I KEPT STIPULATIONS NINE AND 10 IS ALSO A LOT OF THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU'VE SHOWN IN THE PRESENTATION, ACTUALLY NEW BUILDS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT MAYBE IN A, IN A DEER SEA IF YOU COME BACK AND FOR H OR SEE HOW THAT IS ACTUALLY COMPLIMENTS THE MATERIAL OF THE HISTORIC HOME AND NOT SO MUCH WHAT'S FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU WANNA COMPLIMENT THE FENCE.
METAL SIDING, METAL, THE PATIO, THE CARPORTS WILL BE LIKE HALF OF THE PROJECT.
IT'S 'CAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPLIMENT THERE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, HOW IT COMPLIMENTS THE HISTORIC PART OF THE HOME.
THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS BEAUTIFUL, RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, SO THAT'S MORE WHERE WHY I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THOSE, UM, STIPULATIONS THERE BUT ALSO OPEN TO DISCUSS THEM AT, UM, FOR FI BEFORE FINAL.
UM, WERE YOU ALSO INTENDING TO ALLOW THE, UH, TRELLIS STYLE ROOF OVER THE PROPOSED NEW REAR DECK OR JUST FOR THE CARPORT? UH, BECAUSE STAFF WAS STIPULATING A SOLID ROOF OVER BOTH ELEMENTS AND NO, I WILL, I WILL MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE I THINK ACTUALLY IT'S CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? WASN'T IT? THEY'RE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.
AND THEY'RE MEANT TO BE ANALOGOUS ELEMENTS TWO AND THREE IS STAFF
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WAS RECOMMENDING WOOD FRAMING.SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO STIPULATION TWO AND THREE AS PRESENTED KEEPING, BUT ITEM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER TWO? BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THAT HAS THE
SO WE'LL DO ITEM TWO AND THREE WITHOUT STIPULATIONS ONLY KEEPING THE STIPULATION FROM THE VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED OR JUST CLARIFICATION.
SO TWO AND THREE FOR CLARIFICATION WOULD BE, UH, AS PRESENTED, BUT KEEPING THE STIPULATION IF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS APPLICABLE.
YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANY ROOFS ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, YOU'RE ADDING A ROOF THAT'S NOT EXISTING.
DOES STAFF HAVE THE, THE MOTION SECOND? I THINK SO, YEAH.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO AGREE COMPLETELY WITH THAT LIST.
UM, UH, THE, THE METAL CANOPIES AND THE CARPORTS, THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED ARE VERY MUCH A LIGHT TOUCH TO, TO THE SITE.
SO HAVING NEW MATERIALS, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, UM, WORKS IN THAT SENSE.
BUT I TOO AM A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THE NEW IS TAKING OVER THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
SO WE WANNA PUT THE PRIORITY BACK ONTO THE MAIN HOUSE AND WORK FROM THERE.
ANY COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ LITTLE OUTTA CONTEXT BECAUSE I, I WANNA COMPLIMENT YOU ON, ON THE, THE BEAUTIFUL JOB THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT ISN'T JUST THIS DESIGN, BUT HOW IT FITS IN TO THE OTHER EXAMPLES OF WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, UH, JUST AS OTHERS MENTIONED ARCHITECTS IN THE PAST TO SAY, LOOK, WE HAVE A PATTERN OF WORK THAT WAS DONE AND WHY WORK BECOMES PRECIOUS OR BECOMES PRESERVED.
IT SEEMS THAT YOUR WORK AND THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE IN YOUR FIRM ARE HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION, THAT, THAT ONE DAY, THE, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT YOU'VE INTRODUCED INTO THE VOCABULARY OF THIS LONG-TERM COMMUNITY WILL POSSIBLY, UH, CARRY, UH, Y'ALL'S HAND INTERNALLY.
SO I, I DO WANT TO TELL YOU TOO THAT, THAT I WANT TO, UH, KINDA SHARE IN, IN, IN A, IN A, A SENSE OF PRIDE FOR YOU, UM, IN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M A, I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR FIGHTING FOR, FOR GOOD DESIGN BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHO'S JUDGING YOU.
UH, BUT, BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT DO THEY SAY? UH, UH, THAT'S THE ONE IN THE RING THAT, THAT KNOWS THE FIGHT AND, AND DESIGN, UH, UM, THAT, THAT IS INTIMATE CAN, CAN, CAN AT TIMES BE A PART OF YOU.
SO I, I MAKE MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR PEOPLE PULLING, UM, YOU KNOW, AT YOUR BONES.
I GUESS IT'S JUST PART OF THE PROCESS.
BUT, UM, YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF YOURSELF AND YOUR FIRM SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF ITSELF.
WE APPRECIATE THE, THE HIGH COMPLIMENT AND UM, I THINK I GOT MOST OF WHAT I WANTED FOR CHRISTMAS, SO I'M HAPPY.
SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE DRC WHERE WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
AGENDA ITEMS 23 AND 24 WERE POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT'S.
SO AGENDA ITEM 25, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 84 5,000 SAN PEDRO.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL THREE WALL MOUNTED SIGNS AND TO REFACE THE EXISTING POLE SIGN.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGNAGE TO 50 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNS TO ONE MAJOR AND TWO MINOR SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY.
THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT USE A DARK BACKGROUND WITH LIGHT LETTERING ON THE REQUESTED SIGNS.
AND FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT USE A DURABLE SIGNAGE MATERIAL.
THE PROPERTY OWNER, LETICIA, UH, GONZALEZ, IS HERE IN PERSON.
UM, LETICIA GONZALEZ, I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, OR PRO PROPERTY TENANT THAT IS, UM, CURRENTLY ING AT THE
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5,000 SAN PEDRO LOCATION.I, UM, WORKED WITH LINE GRAPHICS AND BECAUSE I WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE PASSIONATE, ALTHOUGH NOW SITTING HERE, IT REMINDED ME OF THIRD FIRST YEAR LAW SCHOOL AND SEEING AN ACTUAL
UH, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE LET LINE GRAPHICS COME, BUT, UM, I'M PRACTICING ATTORNEY FOR THE LAST 22 YEARS IN THIS AREA AND, UM, AS I MOVED INTO THE VACANT LOCATION AT THE END, AT THE END OF OCTOBER AND HALLOWEEN TIME, I, UM, ASKED IF I COULD KEEP MY LOGO, KEEP MY, UM, COLOR SCHEME.
I DO A LOT OF WORKERS' COMP, A LOT OF SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY, SO A LOT OF MY CLIENTS LOOK FOR MY LITTLE STARS.
AND, UM, THE, THE LOGO AND THE COLOR SCHEME THAT THE MARKETING PEOPLE ALONG COUPLE DAYS, DECADES AGO BROUGHT TO ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE PICTURES THAT I EMAILED YOU TODAY MADE IT TO YOU.
UM, AND THEN THE LINE GRAPHICS GAVE ME WHAT THEY HAD PROPOSED SO THAT IT COM UM, COMPLIMENTS THE LOGOS AND THE COLOR SCHEMES THAT I HAVE.
AND THEY ALSO GAVE ME A DIFFERENT ONE WITH THE L THE WITH THE DARKER.
BUT THERE WAS ALSO SOME PHOTOS I BEFORE, AFTER MY ONE O'CLOCK HEARING, I WENT DOWN SAN PEDRO.
AND, AND IF Y'ALL DON'T, AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE ALMOST PARK TERRACE LOCATION, I GUESS YOU GUYS ALL KNOW
OKAY, WHERE DOES IT END? DOES IT END ON CONTOUR OR DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY TO, UH, BASSIE BUT I, I SAW BY, BY THE LITTLE HISTORIC SIGNS THAT IT KIND OF GOES FROM THAT CONTOUR AREA ALL THE WAY DOWN OVER TO PROBABLY DORA.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THOSE AFTER THAT.
AND THEN WE, WE ARE ON THE CORNER OF SAN PEDRO AND WILDWOOD, SO ABOUT TWO STREETS OVER FROM, FROM DORA.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I QUICKLY TOOK SOME PHOTOS AND NOT AS WELL EQUIPPED WITH THE, AS THE ENGINEERS AND THE ARCHITECTS THAT PRESENTED WITH, UH, THE PHOTOS.
BUT I DID SEND OVER ABOUT 10 PHOTOS, UM, OF DIFFERENT OTHER COMMERCIAL SITES FROM STARTING WITH CONTOUR.
THERE WAS AN A AUTOMOTIVE AND, AND, AND THEY HAD FOUR SIGNS.
AND THEN HER MIND HAD BOTANICAL EL FELIX WHO HAD AN LIKE ORANGE AND RED AND WHITE SIGN WITH THE WHITE BACKGROUND AND THEN THE RED AND THE ORANGE BEING THEIR PRIMARY LETTERS.
AND THEN MANDALAY HAD A VEHICLE APPRAISER INCOME TAX ALSO WITH A WHITE SIGN WITH SOME LETTERINGS.
AND THEN SWEET SENSATIONS HAIR AND NAIL BOUTIQUE WAS ALSO ON MANDALAY AND SAN PEDRO.
ALSO THE WHITE BACKGROUND WITH, UM, NONE OF THOSE PHOTOS MADE IT TO YOU? NO.
UNFORTUNATELY STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL PHOTOS SUBMITTED TODAY.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO, UM, I KNOW I HAVE 'EM ON MY PHONE AND MAYBE EVEN IF I, UM, WOULD ANY OF THESE SIGNS SHOW UP ON GOOGLE? I WAS GONNA SAY GOOGLE SHOWS THEM.
UM, AND IN THE, AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THE, UM, ONES I TOOK.
ESSENTIALLY THERE WERE THESE LIKE BOTANIC, BOTANICA, EL PHOENIX.
DO YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS? DO I HAVE AN ADDRESS? I JUST KNOW THAT THEY FACE SAN PEDRO AND IT'S A CORNER OF SAN PEDRO WITH HERMINE IS ONE THAT'S THE BOTANICAL BOTANICAL EL FELIX.
AND I ESSENTIALLY JUST WENT CORNER BY CORNER BECAUSE I THINK THE SAN PEDRO SIDE ON THIS SIDE WHERE I AM IS PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THE SAN PEDRO ON THAT SIDE IS NOT, SO I WAS ONLY LOOKING AT NEIGHBORS ON MY SIDE.
UM, THERE WAS, UH, THE SPACE RIGHT NEXT TO ME HAS A, A BIG WOODEN SIGN, BUT THEY ARE FOR LACE AND IT'S BEEN EMPTY SINCE I MOVED IN, SO I'M NOT SURE WHO IS THERE.
THERE'S SOME, THERE IS A, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ME, ON WILDWOOD AND SAN PEDRO, THERE'S A CONTRACTOR AND HE IS, UM, CLEARFIELD CONSTRUCTION.
ALSO HAVING THE, THE WHITE SIGN WITH THE, THE DARK LETTERING JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME ON THE SAME SIDE OF SAN PEDRO.
THAT RIGHT THERE, RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.
AND HIS SIGN IS RIGHT ON THE SIDE, THE SIDE FACING SAN PEDRO.
SEE IT? OH, I THINK YOU WENT BY IT RIGHT THERE.
AND I, I GUESS I JUST KIND OF WENT, WHO ELSE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GUIDES? I WAS SURPRISED THAT I, I'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE GUIDES AND GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BEING A LAWYER, WANTING TO COMPLY WITH GETTING A PERMIT AND GETTING MY SIGNS DONE APPROPRIATELY.
UM,
I HAVE SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY AS A VOLUME TYPE BUSINESS, SO WE END UP GOING THROUGH A LOT OF HEARINGS ON PEOPLE THAT GET DENIED THEIR DISABILITY BENEFITS.
SO THAT'S KINDA WHAT I DEDICATE MYSELF TO.
BUT, AND, AND IF YOU KEEP GOING DOWN THAT, UM, SAN PEDRO, YOU'LL COME ACROSS, UM,
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ON BABY BOSS THERE IN THE NEXT SHOPPING CENTER.I MEAN, IT'S LIKE TWO STREETS DOWN OFF OF, UH, SAN PEDRO AND AUDUBON ALSO BIG BABY BOSS, WHITE.
I THINK IT'S ONE MORE BLOCK OVER MS UH, GONZALEZ.
A QUESTION, THE, UM, ALTERNATE DRAWINGS THAT WERE YOUR SIGNAGE COMPANY PRESENTED, ARE YOU PROPOSING THOSE AS RESPONDING TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? I'M JUST SHOWING YOU THE CONTRAST THAT THE WHITE REALLY DOES CONFORM WITH WHAT MY CLIENTS ARE USED TO SEEING AND THAT IT'S NOT AN EYESORE.
AND AS I READ THE GUIDES, IT SAID THAT THE PURPOSE WAS TO MAKE THE SIGNS MORE LEGIBLE AND THAT THEY WOULDN'T DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO YOUR PREFERENCE IS STILL, MY PREFERENCE IS STILL THE WHITE.
WHAT ABOUT THE SIZES THAT ARE SHOWN SMALLER ON THE REVISED? THE, UM, THE, THE, THE RESPONSE THAT I WOULD HAVE COMMISSIONER IS THAT MY BUILDING, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY SITS, IT HAS TWO PARKING SPOTS.
AND I GUESS IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT SHOT OF THE, THE, THE BUILDING, IT'S A, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A HOME THAT HAS BEEN MADE INTO A COMMERCIAL SITE.
SO IT HAS A PARKING SPOT ON ONE SIDE AND A PARKING SPOT ON ANOTHER.
AND I HAVE CLIENTS THAT PARK ON EITHER SIDE.
SO OBVIOUSLY I WOULD WANT A SIGN LIKE THE PRIOR TENANT HAD.
UM, AND INSTEAD OF HIS ORANGE AND PURPLE SIGN THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, IT WOULD BE THE SIGN THAT THE SIGN COMPANY HAS COME UP WITH SO THAT THEY SEE THE SIGN AS THEY PARK ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN ON THE REAR SIDE, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE IS ANOTHER PARKING AREA.
SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT I'D BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE A SIGN WHERE THE MY CLIENTS PARK AND THEN THE, THE THIRD SIGN FACES A SAN PEDRO TRAFFIC.
AND I GUESS IF I HAD TO ELIMINATE ONE, I'D PROBABLY ELIMINATE THAT ONE.
BUT IT, IT, I I I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP THE THREE EXISTING SIGNS.
AND, AND THEN JUST POINT OUT THAT Y'ALL ALLOW THE 50 SQUARE FEET ON THE THREE SIGNS.
THE, UM, I THINK IT'S 73 SQUARE FEET.
SO IF YOU TAKE AN AVERAGE OF THE THREE SIGNS DIVIDED BY THE 50, YOU'RE ABOUT 16, 17 SQUARE FEET PER SIGN.
I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND I'M PROPOSING, AND I GUESS IT'S THE, THE WHITE ONE, THE, THE ONE WITH THE POLE.
UM, THAT ONE MOVING, THAT ONE IT, WHILE IT MAY SEEM REDUNDANT, I THINK WITH THE ELDERLY CLIENTELE THAT I WORK WITH, UM, A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN DENIED SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY, DISABILITY BENEFITS SINCE I'VE MOVED.
UM, I WAS FORMALLY DOWN ON 38 17 SAN PEDRO.
IT, IT'S HELPFUL TO THEM TO BE ABLE TO FIND ME.
SO I WOULD REQUEST A VARIANCE FROM THE, THE THREE SIGNS AND ALLOW THE FOUR BECAUSE OF THE DUAL PARKING.
I THINK A LOT OF THE, UM, OTHER BUSINESSES AS YOU GO GO DOWN SAN PEDRO, THEY ONLY HAVE ONE PARKING SPACE, ONE AREA TO ADDRESS THEIR, THEIR CLIENTS AS THEY PARK.
SO IN LIGHT OF THE TWO PARKING AREAS WITH THE BUSY, WITH THE FRONT SIDE ONLY HAVING A SIDEWALK FACING SAN PEDRO, I WOULD REQUEST THAT ALL WE'RE DOING IS REPLACING THE SIGNS THAT ARE THERE, BUT WITH THE TENANT NOW IN OCCUPANCY INSTEAD OF THE FORMER TENANT.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICANT USE A DURABLE SIGNAGE MATERIAL, TALK TO US ABOUT THAT AS I, AS I VISITED WITH, UM, WAS THAT FOR ME OR FOR STAFF? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD,
AS I ASKED THAT QUESTION OF THE, UM, SIGNAGE PEOPLE, THEY SHOWED ME THE, THE OPTIONS AND THEY SAID THIS WAS WOOD AND THAT IT WOULD GET PUFFY WITH TIME AND THAT IN A YEAR IT WOULD PROBABLY START TO WARP AND LOOK TATTERED.
AND UM, THEY TYPICALLY USE THIS FOR SITE SIGNS, MEANING THAT SOMETHING'S ON SALE OR IT'S A SHORT TERM TEMPORARY SIGN TO UM, PROMOTE SOME SORT OF A, A BUILDING.
AND THEN THEY SHOWED ME THE A CM, WELL MY LITTLE NOTES ARE AS TO WHAT THEY SAID ARE IN THE BACK
UM, THEY, THEY SAID THE OTHER, THE A CM IS ECHO FRIENDLY, IT'S MORE POPULAR, IT'S UM, MORE PERMANENT IN NATURE.
IT'S, IT'S SOME SORT OF A ALUMINUM OR MORE, MORE DURABLE.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T RUST AND IT HAS A GREATER APPEARANCE.
SO IT'S AESTHETICALLY MORE PLEASING.
WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THE MATERIAL AND WHAT IS PREFERRED? THAT WOULD BE OKAY VERSUS LIKE A PLASTIC SIGN.
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I HAVE A QUESTION.SO ON THAT PILE AND SIGN THE 48 BY 48 IS THE SIZE OF WHAT THE BOXES RIGHT NOW? THE ORIGINAL LIKE NOT CHANGING.
YOU'RE NOT LIKE EVEN LIKE USING THE FRAME OF THE BOX, REUSING THAT AND JUST LIKE CHANGING OUT THE, WHAT I WAS TOLD IS IT'S A METAL MM-HMM.
UH, IN ORDER TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DOWN, UM, WITHIN THE GUIDELINES WOULD, IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES UM, THE THREE SIGNS ON THE HOUSE OR THE OFFICE, WOULD YOU UH, BE WILLING TO DROP THOSE TO THREE BY THREE INSTEAD OF FOUR BY FOUR? SO INSTEAD OF 16 SQUARE FEET, THEY'RE NINE SQUARE FEET.
AND I THINK THAT WITH THE FOUR BY FOUR POLE SIGN GETS YOU UNDER THE 50 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THEY EVEN PROPOSED, THEY GAVE A, A PROPOSAL I THINK ON REDUCING ONE OF THE SIGNS SO THAT IT MADE IT UNDER MY ONLY RESPONSE IS AGAIN, THE SMALLER WE GO, THE HARDER THEY ARE TO, UM, SEE C BACK TO TRYING TO ADDRESS MY CLIENTELE, THE ELDERLY, THE SOMETIMES MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I ADDRESS THAT? AND YES.
SO YOU, YOU WE'RE NOT GONNA DICTATE EACH SIZE OF THE SIGNS, BUT MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO IS GO TOWARDS A TOTAL OF SIGNAGE SIGNS AND A TOTAL OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN YOU DECIDE DOES THAT FRONT, THIS, THIS ONE I AGREE, SHOULD BE 48 BY 48 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING.
BUT IS THAT SIGN THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THAT WALL, WHICH IS JUST REGIONAL AND SAN PEDRO, WOULDN'T THE TWO IN BOTH DIRECTIONS BE MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU ANYWAY? I THINK THEY PROPOSED ONE.
I DON'T REMEMBER THEY PROPOSED REDUCING THE EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE ON ONE OF THE SIGNS AND THEN TRYING TO KEEP JUST COST EFFECTIVENESS JUST TO, THEY SAID IF YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN IN SQUARE FEET, WE SUGGEST MODIFYING ONE OF THEM.
I DON'T REMEMBER OFFHAND WHICH ONE IT WAS.
MR. CHAIR, I I HAVE A QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, JUST THIS, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MOVING SIGNS AROUND I, AND I THINK MOST OF THE COMMISSIONER OF THE COMMENTS, I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH THEM THAT YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT OF REDUNDANCY, ESPECIALLY IN THAT PARKING LOT AREA.
SO MY QUESTION TO STAFF WOULD BE, DOES A SIGN SAYING PARKING ONLY FOR, UH, UH, LETICIA GONZALEZ, UH, CUSTOMERS ONLY, DOES THAT COUNT AGAINST SIGNAGE OR IS THAT LIKE, UH, LIKE THE HANDICAP SIGN AND TOW OR WHAT WE VIOLATED, THAT SORT OF THING? GENERALLY INFORMATIONAL SIGNAGE LIKE THAT IS CONSIDERED INCIDENTAL, WHICH DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
HOWEVER, IF IT INCLUDES THE SAME LOGO AND UH, TEXT THAT YOU SEE IN THE SIGN, THEN WE HAVE TO COUNT THAT PART TOWARDS THE SIGNAGE.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT IT'S KIND OF REDUNDANT.
YOU'VE GOT THAT POLE SIGN THERE AND THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST REDUNDANT, THE BIG ONE THAT YOU HAVE THERE.
SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN THINK ABOUT AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE MOVING THE NUMBERS AROUND TO TRY AND GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I THINK THE BIG SIGN THERE IN THAT PARKING LOT IS KIND OF WHERE YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE WILLING TO GIVE UP A LITTLE, BUT STILL KEEP SOMETHING THERE THAT INFORMS PEOPLE, HEY, DON'T PARK HERE.
THIS IS FOR, YOU KNOW, A MOTION.
AND WE CAN GO TO DISCUSSION IF I MAY.
SO A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THE REQUEST WITH, UH, KEEPING THE PYLON AND THREE MINOR SIGNS THAT JUST ARE, ARE WITHIN THE 50 SQUARE FEET OR LESS AND THE A CM MATERIAL PRESENTED TODAY.
MAY I ASK, ARE YOU, UM, ASKING FOR THREE SIGNS MAXIMUM? SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A CHOICE TO DO YOU KNOW WHAT AND I ALSO NEED TO CLARIFY ABOUT THE LETTERING.
OKAY, SO APPROVING THE PILOT SIGN AND UP TO THREE ADDITIONAL MINOR SIGNS, NO MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET WITH THE COLORS PRESENTED TODAY AND THE MATERIAL A CM PRESENTED TODAY.
AND, AND ANY, AND I THINK THAT KEEPS IT OPEN FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHICH SIZE, WHICH SIZE OR IF YOU WANNA DO THREE OR WHERE YOU WANNA PUT THEM, I FEEL LIKE YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH YOUR CLIENT'S NEEDS.
OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NUMBER ROLL CALL PLEASE.
SO I DIDN'T COMPLETELY BOTCH IT UP RIGHT?
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SO STAFF, YOU'LL NEED TO PRESENT THAT YOUR FINAL DESIGNS AND SIZES TO STAFF.SO JUST HAVE THE GRAPHING COMPANY SEND THEM.
AND THEN WE WILL GET, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 82 2 51 GREEN LAWN.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT, A BRICK, STONE AND IRON FRONT YARD FENCE RANGING FROM FOUR FEET SEVEN INCHES TO SIX FEET TALL AND TWO, CONSTRUCT THREE RED IRON GATES STAFF'S.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT A FENCE IN GATE THAT CONFORMS TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS SUCH AS SIMPLE WOOD OR SPLIT RAIL FENCE TWO, THAT THE, THAT THE FENCE IN GATE DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT.
HOW Y'ALL DOING? YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
MY NAME IS, UH, PAUL MEDINA AND I LIVE ON UH, 2 51 GREEN, OH 2 51 GREEN LOAN.
AND, UH, I BUILT MY HOUSE, UH, 2019.
I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS, UH, TURNED IN HISTORIC.
UM, I WAS JUST SEEING IF I CAN CONTINUE WITH IT.
THAT'S, YOU JUST ARE THE FENCE, CORRECT? CORRECT, YES.
QUESTIONS DID NOT KNOW THAT I NEEDED TO GET A PERMIT FOR IT.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT, THIS IS A VERY NEW DISTRICT.
WHAT WAS THE YEAR THAT THIS BECAME A DISTRICT? JUST TO GET IT ON FOR EVERYBODY? 2018, I THINK IT WAS CLOSER TO 20.
UH, SIR, LOOKING AT, AT THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF, IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S A, UM, A DIFFERENCE IN THE, IN THE HEIGHT OF WHAT'S REQUESTED, RIGHT? THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUILDING A FENCE.
I'M READING THAT THERE, THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING SIX FEET AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING NO HIGHER THAN FOUR FEET, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? UH, STAFF.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, THE MOST MAJOR DISAGREEMENT THAT THAT STAFF WOULD BE HAVING.
UH, WHAT ARE, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? OR, OR WHAT, I KNOW YOU HAVE THE, THE POST COLUMNS, THEY HAVE AN EXISTING HEIGHT RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE I, UH, LIVE ON A SLOPE.
SO THE COLUMN STARTS, I BELIEVE AT, AT FIVE.
UM, THE COLUMN START, THE COLUMN, THE HEIGHT OF THE COLUMN AT ONE, AT ONE END, IT'S UH, FOUR FEET, SEVEN, AND TO THE FAR RIGHT IT GOES TO SIX FEET HIGH.
SO EVERYTHING'S KIND OF BASICALLY LEVELED.
UH, SO IT'S VAR VARIABLE BASED ON GRADE? YES.
AND THAT'S THE REASON IT'S HIGHER ON ONE END THAN THE OTHER.
OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION THEN BASED ON WHAT IS EXISTING.
SO THE VARIATION IN THE COLUMN HEIGHT IS, UM, OF COURSE BASED ON THE GRADE.
SO IT'S FROM THAT LEVEL, FROM THAT SILL DOWN, RIGHT? UH, LET'S SAY THE INTERSTITIAL SPACE OR THE SPACE BETWEEN THE COLUMNS CORRECT.
WHERE THE METAL IS SUPPOSED TO GO.
UM, THAT LOCATION, THAT SPOT TO THE TOP OF THE COLUMN, IS THAT THE SAME AND IT'S ONLY FROM THAT FLAT LEVEL DOWN THAT IT VARIES? IT'S, UH, YES, YOU CAN SAY IT.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT ON THE BRICK, ON THE TOP OF THE BRICK, UHHUH
'CAUSE IT'S JUST GONNA HAVE LIKE A LITTLE ARCH THERE.
SO THE INTENTION IS THOSE INFILL PANELS WILL BE, I TEND IDENTICAL THROUGHOUT EXACTLY.
THEY'RE ALL GONNA MATCH FOUR FEET.
THE GROUND ON ONE END, I BELIEVE, WHERE THE, WHERE I HAVE THE, UM, BRICK WALL.
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ON TO THE FAR LEFT, UH, FROM THE GROUND SEVEN.AND THEN TO THE FAR RIGHT IT, THE HIGHEST IS, UH, TWO FEET.
AND THAT'S THE BRICK, THE, THE BRICK WALL.
AND IF WE LOOK AT THE, UM, SLIDE NUMBER 11, AND WE SEE IN SOME EMBEDDED STEEL POSTS IN THE, UH, LIMESTONE WALL, UHHUH,
DISTANCE BETWEEN YOUR HORIZONTAL RAILS.
OH, FROM THERE DOWN FROM THE, FROM THE EMBEDDED STEEL.
WHAT'S THE DIFF WHAT'S THE DIMENSION THERE? WHAT'S THE DIMENSION'S SUPPOSED TO BE? UH, FROM THERE TO THE TOP OF THE COLUMN, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT NO, FROM THE STEEL TO STEEL.
OH, FROM THE METAL TO METAL FROM HERE TO THE TOP ONE.
WELL, YOU HAVE TWO OF THEM EMBEDDED IN THE STEEL COLUMN.
THAT, THAT STEEL TO THAT STEEL.
WHAT'S THAT DIMENSION? CORRECT.
NOW, UM, THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO WELD THE, UH, THE UM, FENCE.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF IT TENSION BETWEEN THOSE TWO? I DON'T KNOW ON THAT ONE.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DIDN'T GET THAT ONE.
I GOT EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT EXCEPT THAT, BUT I BELIEVE, I DON'T EVEN WANNA, OKAY.
I'M GONNA DO A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M GONNA SAY APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
IF I'LL GET A SECOND, I'LL JUST DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION.
AND I MEAN, I DO UNDERSTAND, UM, SO THERE'S SOME REALLY HISTORIC HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WHEN WE TALK ALSO ABOUT MAKING THIS, WHEN THIS BECAME A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOUR HOUSE IS, YOU KNOW, MORE CONSIDERED NOT PART OF THE HISTORIC HOMES.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UM, I'M GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AS PRESENTED.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRESENTING BECAUSE THE GUIDELINES WILL SAY WE WANT A HOME, A, A, A FENCE THAT'S HISTORICALLY FOUND, RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT YOU ALSO ARE MATCHING THIS FENCE TO YOUR NEW BUILT HOME.
CORRECT? UM, THE FOUR FEET OF THE FENCE, YOUR GATE IS FOUR FEET HIGH.
SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF ALSO WHERE I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GATE LENGTH AND THE IRON WORK, THE ENTRANCE GATE IS FOUR FEET.
IT'S FIVE FEET HIGH, BUT I'M, I'M STILL, I'M STILL MOVING.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT'S CON IT'S, IT'S COMPLEMENTING YOUR HOUSE AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO FIND IS, IS THERE, ARE WE ON A MOTION OR IS THIS A QUESTION? IT WAS A, NO, IT DOESN'T MOTION.
WE'RE DISCUSSION SECOND AND WE'RE IN DISCUSSION.
AND SO I THINK IT JUSTIFIES THE DESIGN AND THE CHOICE BECAUSE OF THIS HOME.
AND I MEAN, IT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE CASE BY CASE.
OTHER DISCUSSION? UM, YEAH, UH, MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HEIGHT IS, IS PRIMARILY ABOUT, UM, GETTING AN IDEA WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE FINISHED IF YOU FOLLOW YOUR PLAN, BUT ALSO IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT CONFORM IF IT'S A FOUR FOOT HIGH PANEL AND IT'S CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I THINK IT COULD BE FINE ALSO, THE HEIGHT OF YOUR GAIT IS GONNA BE AT THE HEIGHT OF THOSE FOUR FEET IRON.
SO I MEAN THAT'S WHERE, SO THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD BE FIVE.
AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, AND ALSO THE SCALE OF THE LOT, THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE, EVERYTHING IS VERY DIFFERENT HERE.
JUST ANYTHING YOU DO IN THE FUTURE, MAKE SURE YOU, YOU REMEMBER AND TELL YOUR NEIGHBORS IT SEEMS TO WORK.
UM, LOOKING AT, I'M ON GOOGLE EARTH.
UH, BRIAN, JUST GOING UP AND DOWN THERE ARE MULTIPLE FENCES, UH, DIFFERENT STYLES, DIFFERENT UH, MATERIALS.
UM, THERE'S SOME CHAIN LENGTH THAT IS TALLER FURTHER DOWN TO THE EAST.
THERE'S ONE WITH LOOKS LIKE, UH, MASONRY AND STUCCO, UH, POSTS, BUT IT'S LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET.
UM, THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT ONE, I THINK IT'S WHAT THEIR FENCE, I BELIEVE THEIR FENCE IS LIKE ABOUT MAYBE EIGHT FEET HIGH.
RIGHT? THAT RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE AT.
THAT'S THE UH, CHAIN LINK FENCE.
IF YOU GO DOWN MORE LONG WAY DOWN RIGHT HERE, RIGHT THERE.
LIKE, ABOUT, ISN'T THAT ONE LOOK LIKE ABOUT EIGHT FEET HIGH?
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I BELIEVE THAT ONE.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SAVINA? I WILL JUST SAY A LITTLE OFF TOPIC THAT THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM ITS OWN HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES BECAUSE IT IS SO UNIQUE.
UM, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
THERE'S A HOUSE IN WOODLAND BEFORE WE ADJOURN.
I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND SAFE HOLIDAYS AND WE WILL SEE YOU IN THE NEW YEAR.