* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] [00:00:02] I HAD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 17TH, 2024. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. CASTILLO. HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELAZQUEZ. HERE. GALLOWAY? HERE. MOOKA. GIDA. GRUB. HERE. CERVANTES HERE. HOLLAND HERE. AND FETZER HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. AND DR. GUEVARA JUST WALKED IN, SO HE'S HERE AS WELL. UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING. IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF MY INTERPRETERS PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER ZUKE IS HERE AS WELL. WE WANNA START THIS. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS MONICA SAVINO. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK OR IN FAVOR OR AN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF A REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE DELI WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER'S CALLED UPON SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, HAPPY NEW YEAR. IF IT'S OKAY TO STILL SAY THAT. UH, THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING IN 2024. UM, AND I'M PLEASED TO SEE WE HAVE A FULL, UH, COMMISSION TODAY, UH, WHICH I DON'T THINK HAS HAPPENED IN A WHILE. SO, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING AND BEING HERE. UM, ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE WE GET INTO AGENDA ITEMS IS WE DO HAVE THE UPCOMING HISTORIC HOMEOWNER FAIR. UM, THIS IS AN ANNUAL EVENT BY OHP STAFF. IT'S AN ALL HANDS ON DECK EVENT. UM, IT'S OUR BIGGEST EVENT OF THE YEAR. UM, AND THIS WILL BE OUR BIGGEST HOMEOWNER FAIR, UM, THAT WE'VE EVER HAD BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER WITH MORE THAN 70 EXHIBITORS. UM, SO YOU CAN COME IF YOU EITHER OWN AN OLD HOUSE OR LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS IS A GREAT AND FREE RESOURCE, UM, TO CONNECT WITH CONTRACTORS, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, UM, AND CITY SERVICES THAT MIGHT IMPACT YOU OR YOU MIGHT WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT. UM, SO AGAIN, THAT IS GONNA BE ON SATURDAY, JANUARY 27TH, UM, FROM 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM AT THE CONVENTION CENTER. UM, MORE INFORMATION IS AT, UM, OUR WEBSITE, WHICH IS SAN ANTONIO.GOV/HISTORIC. UM, AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN MOVE TO MEETING [Approval of Minutes] MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 18TH. YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED. SECOND MOTION. A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UH, MOVING FORWARD TO OUR AGENDA ON THE SCREEN. UM, EDWARD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN KIND OF BRIEFLY SCROLL DOWN FOR A LITTLE BIT. UM, WE TOOK A LITTLE BREAK FOR THE HOLIDAYS AND SO THAT MEANS WE'VE GOT A LONG AGENDA TODAY. UM, I DO WANNA ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE A FEW POSTPONEMENTS THAT YOU CAN VIEW THERE ON THE SCREEN. SO ITEM 17 8 19 SOUTH LAREDO, ITEM 19 12 23 SOUTH ALAMO, ITEM 22 1 0 7 SOUTH [00:05:01] PINE ITEM 28 5 10 ADAMS AND ITEM 33 9 19 MASON HAVE ALL BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] UH, FROM THERE WE CAN MOVE TO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THAT'S ITEMS ONE THROUGH 16. UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED PUBLIC COMMENTS VIA VOICEMAIL THAT WE WILL PLAY NOW. FIRST IS FOR ITEM NUMBER 2 5 14 ADAMS. MY NAME IS LISA, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 14 ADAM. CASE NUMBER DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE APPLICATION WITH THE OHP STAFF, RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS. WE CONCUR WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING ADDED STIPULATIONS. ITEM NUMBER ONE, APPLICANT SHOULD ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES TO STAFF FOR APPROVAL. MANY ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES WILL MANUFACTURE SIMULATE CEDAR SHAPES WITH PAINTED SHADOW LINES AND ARE INAPPROPRIATE. REPLACING THE EXISTING THREE TAB SHINGLE WITH A NEW THREE TAB SHINGLE IS APPROPRIATE. ITEM NUMBER THREE. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT THE PROPOSED NEW FRONT ELEVATION ILLUSTRATES WHAT APPEARS TO BE A NEW PORT RAILING. THERE IS NO MENTION OF ADDING A PORCH RAILING IN THE APPLICATION. A PORCH RAILING IS A SIGNIFICANT FEATURE AND SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BEFORE ISSUING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THANK YOU. THE NEXT IS FOR ITEM NUMBER 3 1 15 WIX. YES. MY NAME IS LISA LYNN. CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1 1 5 WIX. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 0 0 9. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEW REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE OHP STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS. WE CONCUR WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR. WE QUESTION THE APPROPRIATENESS OF SCREENING THE FRONT PORCH. AS NOTED IN THE FINDING, THE SCREEN PANEL SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE OR THE HISTORIC FABRIC. THE PROPOSED SCREEN FRAMES WILL CERTAINLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THIS STRUCTURE. ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE NO EXAMPLES OF STREET FACING SCREENED PORCHES ON ANY HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN KING WILLIAMS. WE REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSIONERS DISCUSS THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. AND ITEM NUMBER 15, 6 15 HAYES. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS VALERIE ES AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE DIG WHITTY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 0 7 LOCATED AT SIX 15 HAYES STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF QUESTIONS ON THE EXISTING FRONT ELEVATION WINDOWS. THE WINDOWS ON PAGE FIVE OF THE APPLICATION LOOK DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE HOUSE. IS THE APPLICANT REQUESTING TO CHANGE OUT THE WINDOWS AS WELL? IF YES, IT IS NOT CALLED OUT ON THE APPLICATION. AND IF YES, WE DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS AND WOULD LIKE SPECIFIC DETAILS ON PROPOSED WINDOW DESIGN AND MATERIALS TO GO THROUGH THE OHP APPROVAL PROCESS. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL THE VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONERS, THERE ARE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER ONE. I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. I'D LIKE TO POLL NUMBER THREE. NUMBER 13 AND NUMBER 15, MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA LESS ITEM 1 3 13 AND 15. ALL OTHERS, UM, APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. CASTILLO AYE. SINO AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS FIVE 14 ADAMS 1 38 KING WILLIAM, 2 25 WEST ELSMERE PLACE ONE 18 LOTUS 2 0 7 Y OAK F 1951 WEST SATCH 1 22 PRINCESS PASS, THREE 12 MISSION 8 34 IOWA 1 0 1 LAUREL HEIGHTS, PLACE ONE 11 AUBREY AND 3 0 8 KING WILLIAM. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. [00:10:01] IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AN EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. UH, THE APPLICANT IS, IS, SHOULD BE HERE VIRTUALLY. THERE'S ALSO A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE ZOO HERE IN PERSON FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. THESE ARE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'D BE FOR THE ZOO OR FOR THE ARCHITECT. THEY'RE ON THE, UH, THE DESIGN DRAWINGS. YEAH. BEN, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE ARCH ARCHITECT TEAM. YOU SAID ANDREW. I DON'T HAVE AN ANDREW. YEAH, SAY SORRY. GOOD AFTERNOON. YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. BEN MARTIN. SAN ANTONIO ZOO. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. THE QUESTION I HAVE ARE, THERE'S SOME, UM, ITEMS ON THE DRAWINGS THAT, UH, I DIDN'T SEE. UH, ONE IS ANY SORT OF LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR THE FRONT DRIVE. IS THERE A PLAN FOR, UH, NATIVE GRASSES, NATIVE PLANTS, TREES, ANY SORT OF LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT DRIVE? UH, PARALLEL TO HILDABRAND? THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PACKET THAT WE RECEIVED. RIGHT. AND I CAN'T ANSWER THAT DIRECTLY RIGHT NOW. UH, THE ARCHITECT HAS THOSE AND I KNOW THAT IN THE EXHIBIT AND HABITATS THEMSELVES, THERE IS NATIVE GRASSES AND PLANTINGS. OKAY. BUT NO TREES ALONG THAT DRIVE, DO YOU KNOW? UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF AT THIS POINT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, QUESTIONS ON THE, THERE'S A LARGE MECHANICAL UNIT ON THE, I GUESS IT'D BE THE EAST END OF THE BUILDING THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SCREENED. UM, CAN A SCREEN BE, UH, ADDED TO THAT PARAPETS? 'CAUSE THAT'S A LARGE UNIT THAT'S, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT EVERY TIME YOU DRIVE UP TO THE FRONT DOOR. IT IS. AND WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT TO THE ARCHITECT. EXCUSE ME. WE'VE MENTIONED THAT AND WE WANT TO COVER THAT AS WELL. OKAY. AND THE OTHER ONE IS, THERE'S A NOTE ON, UH, A ADHERED STONE VENEER AND DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THAT. IS IT A FIN FAKE STONE OR IS IT REAL STONE AND HOW IS IT APPLIED TO THE BUILDING AND 'CAUSE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF IT ON THE BUILDING. UH, TO THE BUILDING THE EVENT CENTER. TO THE UH, ITSELF OR YEAH. TO THE EVENT CENTER ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT OR, UM, OR BOTH? I BELIEVE IT'S BOTH. I BELIEVE IT'S ON BOTH STRUCTURES. YES. UM, THAT I BELIEVE IS THE SAME TYPE OF STONE THAT WE USED AT THE FRONT GATE, WHICH IS A, A, A ACTUAL LIMESTONE THAT'S SET IN MORTAR. OKAY. UH, THE ACTUAL DETAIL I'M, I'M SURE ANDREW HAS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER SAVINA? YEAH. GOING BACK TO THE, UM, VENEER STONE, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE IS A DETAIL AT LEAST THAT SHOWS HOW THAT'S BEING ATTACHED? UM, I THINK THERE IS. UM, AND I CAN GET ANDREW TO FORWARD THAT ON TO THE COMMITTEE. COMMISSION, UH, MR. CHAIR, UNLESS THERE ARE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. OKAY. UM, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS SET ALSO AND, UM, WOULD LOVE A, ACTUALLY LOVE A LOT MORE TIME WITH IT. UM, BASED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE OTHER COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT THE CHAIR HAD, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AS WELL AS ADDING, UM, TO INCLUDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN. OKAY. IN THE, IN THE PACKAGE, IN THE FINAL PACKAGE. ALSO ADDRESS WITH DESIGN DRAWINGS THE MECHANICAL SCREENING OKAY. ON THAT EAST SIDE AND ALSO CONFIRMATION OF THAT MATERIAL OF THE VENEER STONE. OKAY. AND PERHAPS, UM, UH, A TEAR SHEET OR SOMETHING THAT REFERS MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THAT MATERIAL. ALSO IF IT IS INCLUDED IN THAT [00:15:01] FRONT GATE. MM-HMM. , UM, CONFIRM THAT ALSO. OKAY. WILL DO. I'LL SECOND MR. JU THAT MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA? AYE. AVADA AYE. GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. POLLEN. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK Y'ALL. ITEM NUMBER 3 1 15 WIX, THE APPLICANT, JIM BAILEY IS HERE IN PERSON. I PULLED THIS ONE MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO, UM, ASK THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO COMMUNITY COMMENTS ABOUT THE SCREENED IN PORCH. SURE. AND WHERE, UM, IF YOU HAVE PRECEDENCE, IF THOSE EXIST NEARBY? UH, WELL IT'S CERTAINLY NOT ON THE STREET, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE GUIDELINES, UM, DO HAVE A SECTION ON FRONT PORCHES. AND THE SECOND, THE VERY FIRST LINE IS, UM, AVOID ENCLOSING, UH, FRONT PORCHES. AND IT ALSO SAYS THAT ALSO SAYS THAT ABOUT REAR PORCHES. BUT THE VERY NEXT LINE SAYS THAT APPROVED SCREEN PANELS SHALL NOT, UH, OBSCURE SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS SOMETHING THAT LITERALLY GETS SCREWED ON AFTER THE PORCH IS BUILT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REMOVED WITHOUT, UH, PERMANENTLY ALTERING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF IT. AND THE SCREEN MATERIAL THAT I'M PROPOSING IS HIGH TRANSPARENCY. SO WHEN YOU SAY HIGH TRANSPARENCY, IS IT AN INSECT SCREEN? MESH? IT'S JUST AN INSECT SCREEN, YEAH. OH, OKAY. AND WHAT'S THE MATERIAL? ALUMINUM. IT'S ALUMINUM. OKAY. AND I, YOU KNOW, IF THE CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A TWO BY, UM, PROFILE OR, YOU KNOW, INSET FROM THE COLUMNS, UM, WITH A COUPLE OF TWO BY MEMBERS RUNNING ACROSS, IF THAT'S TOO OBTRUSIVE, I'M NOT SURE HOW STRUCTURALLY I CAN GET MUCH SMALLER THAN THAT. BUT I COULD CONSIDER LIKE A LIGHT STEEL OR ALUMINUM PAINTED MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, LIKE A DEEP GRAY OR SOMETHING TO REALLY GO AWAY. SURE, SURE. IF THAT'S A CONCERN. AND THIS IS, I NEED TO GET THE PORCH AND THE COLUMNS APPROVED TODAY 'CAUSE I GOTTA DO THE FOUNDATION, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD CONTINUE TO DISCUSS IF YOU'D LIKE. OKAY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER SAVINA, UH, GIMME A SEC HERE TO APPROVE ITEMS 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST, UM, I NEEDED CLARIFICATION ON THE MATERIAL ALSO. SURE. AND, UM, THE FACT THAT IT IS REMOVABLE I THINK GOES A LONG WAY FOR THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SENO? AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MAZUA. AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. GOOD AFTERNOON. AGENDA ITEM 13. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, ROBERT CAME HERE IN PERSON. YES. COMMISSIONER VENO. YOU PULLED THIS. YEAH, I PULLED THIS, UM, FOR ONE SMALL TOPIC AND THAT IS, UM, WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR IN THE LIVING SPACE. UHHUH, IS THERE A REASON WHY, OR HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ADDING WINDOWS TO SOME OF THOSE WALLS THAT HAVE NO WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR? THE, THE BACK WALL WHEN YOU WALK IN THE ENTRY DOOR, THE BACK WALL IS PRETTY MUCH LIKE A WALK-IN CLOSET AND A BATHROOM ITSELF. SO THAT KIND OF TAKES CARE OF THE BACK WALL. THE, THE, THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THE BACK WALL, IT ACTUALLY IS, IT, IT GOES DIRECTLY INTO THE ALLEY, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'D BE LOOKING LIKE IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD AND INTO YOUR ALLEY. SO FOR THOSE TWO REASONS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY WINDOWS THERE ON THAT WALL. THE OTHER SIDEWALL DOWN THE RIGHT SIDE LOOKS DIRECTLY INTO THE, UH, NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD. SO, BUT I MEAN, IF, IF Y'ALL REQUIRED IT, I COULD SEE US MAYBE ADDING A WINDOW THERE ON THAT RIGHT SIDE. YEAH. I THINK FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE TYPOLOGY THAT IT IS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A, UM, IT'S [00:20:01] NOT QUITE A CARRIAGE HOUSE. MM-HMM. , IT'S NOT QUITE A COMPLETE A DU BECAUSE, UM, THE GROUND FLOOR PROGRAM IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT SECOND FLOOR REALLY COULD BENEFIT ON THE INTERIOR FROM SOME WINDOWS, BUT ALSO FROM THE EXTERIOR. IT ALMOST HAS A COMPOUND POUND LOOK ABOUT IT. AND I UNDERSTAND THE VIEW TO THE NEIGHBORS. YEAH. AND THAT'S ALWAYS AN, THAT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN TOO. BUT THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO TREAT WINDOWS AND OPENINGS TO AVOID THAT TYPE OF INTRUSION, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ONLY ONE WINDOW ON YEAH. BEING AT THE SECOND FLOOR LEVEL TOO, THEY'LL BE LOOKING OUT INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, AT THE LOW. RIGHT. RIGHT. UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ASK YOU TO, UH, LET ME FIND THE ELEVATIONS, BUT ASK YOU TO INCLUDE SOME WINDOWS. LET ME FIND THE ELEVATIONS SO THAT I CAN OH, UM, LET'S ADD ONE EL I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER ADDING A WINDOW TO THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE EAST ELEVATION, A WINDOW TO THE ELEVATION OF THE WEST ELEVATION AND THE NORTH ELEVATION'S ON THE ALLEY. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YES. WELL, I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME WITH THE NORTH. WE CAN VERIFY, BUT UH, THAT'S THE NORTH RIGHT THERE. YES. YEAH, THAT'S NORTH. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. THE NORTH WOULD BE GOING INTO THE ALLEY. I THINK HAVING A WINDOW IN THAT NORTH ELEVATION WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO. EVEN IF IT IS NOT A SMALL, EVEN IF IT IS A SMALL WINDOW, THEN WHEN YOU HAVE WINDOWS ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THAT SECOND FLOOR, IT BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE AN OCCUPIED SPACE. MM-HMM. RATHER THAN A, A GARAGE OR A STORAGE UNIT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WOULD BENEFIT THIS PROPERTY, UM, IN ITS REDEVELOPMENT. MM-HMM. IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A, A SURE HABITABLE SPACE. SO I'LL CHECK TO SEE IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS, OTHER QUESTIONS? MY CLIENT'S VERY FLEXIBLE ON THAT, SO I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL. YEAH. YEAH. I WOULD CONCUR THAT I THINK SOME WINDOWS ARE NEEDED ON THE SECOND FLOOR. MM-HMM. ON, UH, ALL THE ELEVATIONS. YEAH. OTHER QUESTIONS? I CAN MAKE A MOTION. LET ME FIND, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 1, 2, 3, 4, AND AN ADDED STIPULATION OF ADDING, UM, A WINDOW, ONE WINDOW ON EACH ELEVATION ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT CONFORM TO THE CITY'S WINDOW STANDARDS AND THE STANDARDS AND THE GUIDELINES. MEANING NOT LITTLE TINY WINDOWS, BUT OPERABLE REAL WINDOWS. OKAY. ONE SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO. AYE. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY. AYE. MOOKA. AYE. ADA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY. AGENDA ITEM 15. DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT? UH, THE APPLICANT UM, SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE ONLINE, UM, COURI, ARE THEY ONLINE? IS TODD UH, WAR RICH ABOUT THAT? LEMME LOOK. I DON'T SEE TODD. IF THERE'S, UH, IF YOU'RE GOING BY DIFFERENT NAMES, SEND ME A MESSAGE IN THE CHAT AND I CAN ADD YOU. WELL IN THE MEANTIME, STAFF CAN TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. WELL, MY QUESTION WAS PRIMARILY FOR THE APPLICANT AND I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT WHAT WAS IN THE DRAWINGS AND WHAT WAS REVIEWED IS WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO, UM, BE THE WORK PERFORMED AND THAT WINDOWS WERE NOT BEING REPLACED. THERE IS A MODEL OR A RENDERING SHOWING SOME VERY LARGE WINDOWS. AND IN THE PAST WE RECEIVED PACKAGES THAT HAVE DRAWINGS AND WORDS AND RENDERINGS AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS COORDINATE. AND WE END UP SEEING THEM BACK HERE AND WE POINT SOMEBODY POINTS TO THE RENDERINGS AND SAID, I SHOWED IT TO YOU LONG AGO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. SURE. SO, UM, [00:25:01] THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST LANGUAGE DID NOT INCLUDE MODIFICATIONS TO THE WINDOWS ON THE STRUCTURE. UM, THE STAFF CAN REITERATE AND MAKE A NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ANY FUTURE, UH, WINDOW MODIFICATIONS WOULD NEED, UH, WOULD REQUIRE, UM, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OTHER QUESTIONS MAKE A MOTION? YEAH. SO I'LL MOTION THAT WE, UM, APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER ONE AND TWO. I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION. YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO. AYE. S AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] 18. YES. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, AGENDA ITEM 17 8 19 SOUTH LAREDO HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO THE APPLICANT. THEY'VE NOTED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THAT HEARD ON FEBRUARY THE 21ST. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, HDRC CASE NUMBER 20 23 4 8 5 12 23 MARCH AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL ONE COMMUNICATIONS MONO POLL TO FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF 74 FEET. THE PROPOSED POLE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E UH, COMMISSIONERS. THERE IS A CASE COMMENT REGARDING A REQUIREMENT FOR ARCHEOLOGY. UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, AND JUST AS A A REMINDER, THIS WAS HEARD, UH, ON DECEMBER THE 20TH. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS POSTPONED BY THE COMMISSION TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. THE APPLICANT HAS MET WITH LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UH, AND IF YOU SCROLL DOWN IN YOUR PACKETS, THERE ARE NOTES OR LETTERS OR EMAILS RATHER, UH, FROM THEM NOTING THAT THEY ARE, UH, IN SUPPORT, UH, OF THIS OPTION. BUT I'LL LET THE APPLICANT CONTINUE WITH THAT. THANK YOU EDWARD. HAPPY NEW YEAR. GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY AGAIN. UM, WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH. MY NAME IS VINCE INGER REPRESENTING, UH, THE LANDOWNER AT AND T TILLMAN, EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT. UM, THEY HAD A MEETING. HARLEY DALE MCCOLLUM HAD A MEETING JANUARY 8TH. UM, MR. KEN BROWN ATTENDED FOR ME. UM, THEY RECOMMENDED FOR THE PROJECT AND, UH, ALSO, UH, VOTED FOR THE PALM TREE, THE MONO PALM. UM, I CAN GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION FOR THOSE, UH, UH, THAT WERE NOT HERE IN DECEMBER. BUT, UM, AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, WHICHEVER YOU CARE ME TO DO. DO WE NEED COMMISSIONERS WISH TO SEE THE, UM, PRESENTATION OR SHALL WE GO TO QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS APPLICATION WILL BE WITH OPTION ONE. THIS APPLICATION WILL BE A MONO MONO PALM AS PER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IT UP AS OPTION ONE. OKAY. UM, TO IF FIND THAT HERE AND NOT HAVE BOTH OPTION, NOT BOTH OPTIONS. THEY, THEY'D RATHER HAVE THE MONO PALM. THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS MUCH BETTER. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION CHAIR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. YES. COMMISSIONERS VELASQUEZ, UH, IN, IN LIGHT OF, UH, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ASKED BY THE COMMISSION TO MAKE A MO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPTIONS SELECTED BY THE MCCULLUM HARDIN, UH, COMMUNITY IN COOPERATION WITH THE APPLICANT. I'LL SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. CASTILLO. AYE. S AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FE AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20. UH, ACTUALLY AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, SORRY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 23 1 9 1 1 9 1 12 23 SOUTH ALAMO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A WOOD FENCE MEASURING APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, PARALLEL TO THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG MADISON STREET. TWO. INSTALL ARTIFICIAL TURF THROUGHOUT THE REAR YARD FACING EDWARD. THIS IS ONE OF THE POSTPONED CASES IS, YEP, [00:30:01] SORRY, MISCOMMUNICATION. I GUESS WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER 20 NOW. . ITEM 20 ON THE HDRC AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 3 59 5 18 EAST PARK. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING ONE STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH ROOF DECK, ADD A 19 AND A HALF FOOT CONCRETE CONNECTION FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO THE PROPOSED TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND ADD A GRAVEL PARKING AREA AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, DEMOLITION OF THE DETACHED REAR ONE STORY GARAGE BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH G. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT FURTHER EXPLORES RETENTION OR INCORPORATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE INTO THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. SHOULD THE COMMISSION FIND THAT THE CONDITIONS REQUIRED FOR APPROVAL OF DEMOLITION HAVE BEEN MET. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR BASED ON FINDINGS H THROUGH I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE SALVAGE MATERIALS BE USED IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFIES THE NUMBER OF STYLES OF WINDOWS ON THE TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BY REPLACING FIXED WINDOWS WITH ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS AS PROPOSED ELSEWHERE ON THE STRUCTURE AS NOTED IN FINDING L THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE EXTERIOR STAIRCASE AS NOTED IN FINDING M FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WOOD OR WOOD CLAD DOORS AS NOTED IN FINDING K OR CLAD WOOD DOORS. I APOLOGIZE AS NOTED IN FINDING K FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. UM, AND JUST A QUICK STAFF NOTE. UH, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED, UM, NEW DRAWINGS FOR THE TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THEY'RE IN THE LATE FOLDER ON YOUR COMPUTERS, UM, AND THE APPLICANT, MICHAEL KRAUSE IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MICHAEL KRAUSE, I'M THE DESIGNER ON THIS PROJECT. I KNOW A FEW OF, YOU'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT. UH, WHERE WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO START? I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME, UM, LATE SUBMITTAL DRAWINGS THAT CLARIFY SOME INFORMATION. YES, SIR. WE WENT, WE WENT AHEAD AND DID YOUR SUGGESTION. WENT TO INTERIOR STAIRS ON THAT. UM, WENT TO THE BALCONY VERSION. UH, SO THERE'S NO STAIRS ON THE OUTSIDE AT ALL ON THAT BACKSIDE ANYMORE. WELL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS STAFF'S, UH, COMMENTS. SURE. UM, AS FAR AS WHERE WE START IN THE, THE DEMO, SO YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHERE WE STAND, THE ENGINEER WAS OUT THERE. I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT. UM, NOT MUCH WE CAN DO WITH THAT STRUCTURE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE THAT DOWN AND REPLACE IT WITH, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WE'VE, UH, INCORPORATED INCLUDING LOWERING THE SECOND FLOOR AS YOU SUGGESTED. UH, SO WE'VE DONE ALL THE, UM, ALL THE REQUESTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN US, WE'VE INCORPORATED. OKAY. BEFORE WE GET TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, WE HAVE SOME VOICEMAILS. UH, MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER. I RESIDE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, ON ITEM NUMBER 20, UH, 5 1 8 EAST PARK AVENUE. I SPEAK FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. UH, WE'D LIKE TO THANK THE OWNERS FOR MODIFYING THE PLANS FOR THE A DU, BUT WE ASK THAT THE COMMISSION NOT APPROVE DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC GARAGE, BUT URGE THAT IT BE INCORPORATED INTO ANY A DU BUILT ON THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS RICHARD ICK. MY ADDRESS IS 5 1 7 EAST PARK AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO. I'M CALLING TO SUPPORT HDRC 1 17 24, ITEM NUMBER 20 FOR FIVE 18 EAST PARK AVENUE. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR OVER 10 YEARS. I'M DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM FIVE 18 EAST [00:35:01] PARK. I HAVE CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE IN REHABBING MY OWN HOUSE AND MANY OTHER HOUSES IN SAN ANTONIO, INCLUDING IN TOBIN HILL, WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND SO FORTH. I'M A MEMBER OF THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. I HAVE BEEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICER AND SERVED ON THE ZONING BOARD. I NO LONGER DO BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME RADICALS IN THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION THAT WANT TO STOP ALL DEVELOPMENT IMPROPERLY. I HAVE SEEN THE GARAGE THAT THE REQUESTER HAS ASKED TO TEAR DOWN AND IT SHOULD BE TORN DOWN. IT'S NOT, IT, IT HAS NO HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, EVEN IF IT WERE POSSIBLE TO RESTORE IT. I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED DESIGN FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE. I FEEL IT WILL SIT NICELY AND WILL ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO PLEASE APPROVE IT, LET IT GO. THANK YOU. AND I FORGOT TO MENTION, THERE ARE TWO LETTERS ON FILE AS WELL. ONE IN SUPPORT OF THE, UH, REQUEST AND ONE IN OPPOSITION. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. COMMISSIONER SAVINA. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND STAFF IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION AND WHAT IS THE REASON FOR IT? DO YOU, ARE YOU NOT SEEING THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP? ARE YOU ADDRESSING THE NON-CONTRIBUTING OR THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS OF IT? WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS GUIDING THAT? THE STRUCTURE IS ORIGINAL TO THE PROPERTY, UM, BASED ON, UH, RESEARCH, SAND BOARD MAPS, ET CETERA. UM, AND SO OUR JOB IS TO EVALUATE WHETHER IT IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROPERTY. UM, AND SO THE STAFF'S, BUT IT'S A STANDARD RECOMMENDATION FOR RETENTION OF HISTORIC FABRIC, UH, OR JUST IS THERE A SITE VISIT? YES, THERE WAS A SITE VISIT, YES. WOULD, UM, SUBPOENA OR COMMISSIONER ZUKA LIKE TO REPORT OR BOTH? CERTAINLY. UH, WE WENT OUT, IT WAS, UH, FE UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER AND, AND, UH, MS. SAVINO. AND, UM, AT THAT POINT, THE BUILDING WAS, HAD TO BE BUTTRESSED FROM THE OUTSIDE TO IN FEAR THAT IT MIGHT FALL DOWN. UH, I WASN'T SURE IT WAS NECESSARY, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE ARCHITECT DID. AND, UH, THE INSIDE THE FOUNDATION WAS ASK SKEW. PART OF IT WAS LIFTED UP. UM, AND ALSO THE PLANS, UH, FOR THE NEW BUILDING CALL FOR A BUILDING THAT IS, UH, A THAT STARTS AT THE END OF THIS BUILDING. SO IT, IT ALLOWS FOR MORE YARD SPACE, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT THING. UM, I, THOSE WERE THE SALIENT THOUGHTS THAT CAME TO MY MIND. UM, ARE THERE ANY MORE THAT I HAVE NEGLECTED TO INCLUDE? UM, WELL, I TOOK NOTICE, UM, AND WE SEE IT IN THE PHOTO SHOWN, THE TOP PHOTO AND THE WAY THE DRIVEWAY TO THE EAST BEGINS TO SLOPE OFF DOWNWARD. AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE LENS OR THE WAY THE PHOTO WAS TAKEN, BUT WHAT, UM, I NOTICED IMMEDIATELY IS THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE LONG-TERM DRAINAGE PROBLEM ON THE PROPERTY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAD BEEN ATTEMPTED TO BE REPAIRED, MITIGATED OVER A PERIOD OF DECADES WITH CONCRETE, CONCRETE CURBS. UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, I WOULD SAY WHAT TWO THREE FOOT WIDE STRIP OF CONCRETE SLAB HAD COMPLETELY BROKEN AWAY AND WAS WASHED OUT UNDERNEATH AND HAD DROPPED PROBABLY A FOOT. AND SO IN ORDER TO REUSE THE STRUCTURE OR REPAIR IT, I THINK IT LOOKED, IT LOOKED WORSE THAN THIS ONE HERE IN THE BOTTOM. UM, IT HAD MOVED MUCH, MUCH MORE THAN THAT, I THINK. UM, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF REPAIR IN MY ESTIMATION, JUST ON THAT ONE SIDE. AND THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE, THE REMAINING DRAINAGE PROBLEM. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. YES. I WOULD CONCUR WITH THOSE OBSERVATIONS. UH, MOVING THE [00:40:01] A DU FURTHER BACK IN THE YARD ALLOWS THE APPLICANT TO CORRECT SOME MAJOR DRAINAGE ISSUES. UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GRU. UM, SO THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF CAME UP, YOU'RE OKAY WITH ALL OF THEM? I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU ADDRESSED THE STAIR. YES. WE, WE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GOOD IDEAS. UH, THEY WERE CHALLENGING ON THE DESIGN SIDE, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. SO WE'VE, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. THE, THE ONE THING THAT, UH, STAFF, UM, DID TALK ABOUT IS WE DO HAVE THREE FIXED WINDOWS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND WE'D, WE'D LIKE, IF POSSIBLE, TO KEEP THOSE, THOSE ARE, UH, TRANSOMS THAT ARE IN A CLOSET TO ALLOW LIGHT IN AND A BATHROOM. SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE GOOD IF WE, WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED IT. AND THEN ON THE SALVAGE MATERIALS, HAVE YOU ALREADY LOOKED AT A SALVAGE? YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR DEMOLITION PLAN, IT, IT SPECIFICALLY NOTES WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THERE. AND LITERALLY WE'LL HAVE A CREW PICKING THROUGH EVERYTHING, TAKING BOARDS THAT WE CAN REUSE, UH, WHETHER IT'S FOR STRUCTURAL USE IN THE NEW A DU, UM, OR EVEN IF THERE'S ANY SIDING THAT WE CAN REUSE. BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO APPROVE, UM, WITH ITEMS THAT ARE, THAT ARE TWO THROUGH FOUR WITH STATUS STIPULATIONS, UH, LESS ITEM TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO PROCEED WITH WINDOWS AS DESIGNED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE NEED A FINDING FOR ITEM ONE AS WELL. JUST ON THE RECORD, IT'S APPROVED OF ITEM ONE AS WELL. IT'S, DOES IT INCLUDE ITEM ONE, SALVAGE MATERIALS? WELL, ITEM ONE, LITTLE ONE. OH, NOT ITEM BIG ONE. OKAY. SO YOU'RE APPROVING THE DEMOLITION? YES. WITH, WITH TWO THROUGH FOUR. AND THE STIPULATIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE, LESS ITEM TWO THAT DEALS WITH, UH, WINDOWS THAT THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO LEAVE THE WINDOWS AWAY THAT THEY'RE DESIGNED. I'LL SECOND. THAT MOTION IS SECOND DISCUSSION. I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION. UM, ON THE LATEST DRAWINGS, I SEE THAT YOU DID LOWER THE CEILING HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR. YES, SIR. BY A FOOT. THE FIRST FLOOR IS STILL 10 FEET TALL? YES. AND, UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT ALMOST A FLOOR BELOW THE MAIN HOUSE. WE'RE ABOUT EIGHT FEET. OKAY. I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLINGS ARE TYPICALLY YES, SMALLER THAN THE MAIN HOUSE, BUT TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE NINE FOOT CEILINGS. UM, SO I WOULD'VE HOPED THAT YOU WOULD, UH, HAVE DROPPED THAT ON THE FIRST FLOOR AS WELL AS THE SECOND FLOOR DOWN TO, UH, MAYBE A NINE FOOT ON THE FIRST AND AN EIGHT ON THE SECOND. BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION SAYS. UH, MR. CHAIR, SINA, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE OVER THIS GREAT AREA FOOTPRINT, THAT EXTRA FOOT REALLY DOES ADD SOME HEIGHT AND ADD SOME MASSING TO THE BUILDING. AND BRINGING IT DOWN THE ONE FOOT IS, IS ALL RIGHT. BUT I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO REALLY BRING THAT, BRING THE MASSING DOWN, THE HEIGHT DOWN, NOT BY JUST SIX NUMBER, SIX FEET, EIGHT FEET. NOT A NUMBER, BUT HOW IT'S PERCEIVED RELATIVE TO THE MAIN HOUSE. UM, OKAY. SO I MEAN, IS IT POSSIBLE WHAT I'M, I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE. MM-HMM. AGAIN, I'M, I'M FIGHTING FOR, UM, THAT SPACE. WE'RE IN VERY SMALL AREAS. MM-HMM. . SO THAT CEILING HEIGHT ON THE FIRST FLOOR REALLY MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. MM-HMM. . UM, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I DO THIS FOR A LIVING AND I'M LOOKING AT IT IF I SEE A 16 INCH DIFFERENCE OR EVEN A 24 INCH DIFFERENCE ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WHERE THE FRONT HOUSE IS SO MUCH HOLLER TALLER THAN THE, THE REAR TO YOU, I'M NOT SEEING MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. MM-HMM. , I THINK THE, THE ADDITIONAL FOOT WOULD HELP. AND KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE ATTIC [00:45:01] SPACE AND YOU KNOW THAT AREA ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, ONE CAN, UM, OPEN UP THE CEILING IN CERTAIN ROOMS AND ROOMS THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO GET A GREATER SENSE OF SPACE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE FIRST FLOOR DROP TO NINE AND LEAVE THE SECOND FLOOR NINE, OR DROP THE TOP FLOOR TO EIGHT AND LEAVE THE FIRST FLOOR AT 10? I'M MORE INCLINED TO DROP THE TOP FLOOR ONE FOOT. OKAY. FOR PROPORTION'S SAKE. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S MORE MANAGEABLE. 'CAUSE WE ARE DOING A CATHEDRAL CEILING IN THERE, SO I THINK WE CAN OFFSET THAT. THAT COULD WORK. YEAH. WORK OUT WELL. AND, UM, UH, SO, SO THEN WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING. NINE, FIRST FLOOR, FLOOR TO CEILING, NINE SECOND FLOOR, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING ON THE SECOND FLOOR. EIGHT, CORRECT. EIGHT. AND BOTTOM FLOOR. FLOOR TO CEILING. NINE. 10, 10. IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION. UH, UM, AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE, UH, THE, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING. 10 ON THE FIRST FLOOR, FLOOR TO CEILING. EIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, CAN I, YOU ALSO SECOND STANDS, CAN YOU ALSO SPECIFY WHETHER YOU MEAN THE PLANS AS PRESENTED TODAY OR THE PLANS INCLUDED IN THE CASE FILE? NO. THE PLANS AS, AS PRESENTED TODAY? WELL, NO, THE, THE PLANS IN THE LATE FILE ONE'S ON THE SCREEN. YEAH. YES. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A THE SECOND CONCURS. YES. SECOND CONCURS. OKAY. DISCUSSION. I WOULD JUST ADDRESS THE WINDOWS IF I'M YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO, UM, IF WE GO PAGE THREE, SO THE TWO WAY ONE IS IN A CLOSET. CAN YOU GO TO PAGE THREE OF THE PAGE THREE OF THE LATE? SO IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAS JUST BECAUSE OF THE STAIRWAYS. SO ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THE ONE WINDOW IS IN THE CLOSET. CORRECT. SO ON THE, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, IT WOULD BE THE ONE, IF YOU GO TO THE ELEVATIONS, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE. THERE WE GO. SO THAT ONE THAT'S UNDER THE BALCONY. UM, SO THE, THE ONE YOU WERE JUST, UH, THE MOUSE WAS ON. YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BATHROOM. AND THEN WE'VE GOT A CLOSET IN THE BATHROOM. SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE PLANS ON THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN, I SEE THE CLOSET IS SEPARATE FROM THE BATHROOM. YES. SO THE WINDOW IS ACTUALLY IN THE CLOSET. YES. THERE'S A, IT'S A TRANSOM THERE. YEAH. DO YOU REALLY NEED THAT ONE THERE? I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'VE GOT A CLOSET. IT FEELS LIKE A CAVE. IF WE CAN LET SOME, I'M A BIG NATURAL LIGHT GUY, SO IF WE CAN LET SOME NATURAL LIGHT, UH, IN THERE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IS IT A MAKE OR BREAK? OF COURSE NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M A CLOSET WITH A LITTLE BIT OF NATURAL LIGHT'S. ALWAYS NICE. SO THE THING, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IS JUST TO REDUCE, I THINK MORE THAN ELIMINATE, UM, I ACTUALLY PERSONALLY LIKE THAT THERE IS LESS WINDOWS OR MORE SPACE TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, SPACE TO HANG MM-HMM. STUFF IN THE CLOSET. I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO SEE WHAT WE DO. WE USUALLY, I'M SORRY. I KNOW JUST FROM AN EXTERIOR STANDPOINT, I MAYBE THAT I WOULD, I WOULD MAYBE IT'S JUST IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF REMOVING THAT WINDOW. I UNDERSTAND THE BATHROOM. SO IF WE GO TO THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO, I MEAN I WOULD TALK TO THE OWNER AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD MAYBE DO A, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE ON THE, ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IT DOES ELIMINATE A CHANCE TO DO A CUBBY SYSTEM THERE. SO IT MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE JUST ELIMINATE IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M, I MEAN I WOULD EVEN AS A WOMAN SAY, ELIMINATE THE WINDOW. 'CAUSE IT CREATES MORE CLOSET SPACE. UH, OURS ARE USUALLY ABOVE THE TOP SHELF, SO THEY DON'T REALLY IMPEDE YOUR ABILITY TO STORE. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OPTION OF REMOVAL OF THAT ONE, WHICH IS ON THE SECOND, WHICH IS ALSO VISIBLE OVER THE, THE OTHER A DU MM-HMM. . THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU COULD, OKAY, SO THE CLOSET. YEAH, THE SECOND FLOOR. RECTANGULAR WINDOW FACING ON THE NORTH. WHAT, WHAT? YEAH, ON THE LEFT, ON THE LEFT SIDE. OKAY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL. OTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. KIPPS. AYE. CASTILLO. AYE. S AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY. [00:50:01] AYE. MOOKA. AYE. AVADA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. COLIN. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 21. AGENDA ITEM 21, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 0 1 2 6 22 SHERMAN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 6 22 SHERMAN LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF, GENERALLY STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, WHICH SHOULD BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN APPROVAL OF FINAL APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A DETAILED TWO SCALE SITE PLAN THAT INCLUDES DIMENSIONS AND CONFIRMS A SETBACK THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. STAFF RECOMMENDS A SETBACK THAT IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THIS BLOCK IS LOADED AS NOTED IN FINDING E TWO THAT A FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES BEING INSTALLED IS NOTED IN FINDING H AND APPROPRIATE SKIRTING. DETAILS SHOULD BE DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN UPDATED SITE PLAN WITH AN ACCURATE FLOOR PLAN AND FOOTPRINT TO CONFIRM COMPLIANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES. RECOMMENDATION FOR LOT COVERAGE NOT TO EXCEED 50% AS NOTED IN FINDING J FOR THE, THAT COMPOSITE HORIZONTAL SIDING FEATURE, A SMOOTH FINISH AND A FOUR-INCH EXPOSURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL COMPOSITE ITEMS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. COLUMNS SHOULD FEATURE A UNIQUE DESIGN BASED ON HISTORIC EXAMPLES OR FEATURE SIX INCHES SQUARE WITH THE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM. ADDITIONALLY, DETAILS OF ALL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, INCLUDING COLUMNS AND RAILINGS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED WHEN RETURNING TO THE COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. FIVE, THAT WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE INSTALLED. AS NOTED IN FINDING L THESE SPECIFICATIONS ARE NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. SIX, THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION BE ADDED TO THE SIDE FACADES WHERE BOTH FACADES ARE VOID OF. FENESTRATION IS NOTED IN FINDING M. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ONE WINDOW PROFILE SHOULD BE INSTALLED THROUGHOUT SEVEN, THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOULD BE DEVELOPED. THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS IS NOTED IN FINDING PA THE ONLY, THAT ONLY ONE DRIVEWAY BE INSTALLED AND IT FEATURE A PROFILE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. IS NOTED IN FINDING Q NINE THAT A FRONT WALK WALKWAY BE INSTALLED AND THAT IT FEATURE A PROFILE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE BLOCK. HISTORICALLY, THREE TO FOUR FEET IN WIDTH WITH A PORT WITH POURED CONCRETE IS NOTED IN FINDING R 10 THAT ALL MECHANICALLY EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC. RIGHT OF WAY IS NOTED IN FINDING S AND 11 THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE INFORMATION REGARDING PARKING IS NOTED IN FINDING T UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. TERRY RICHARDSON IS, UH, ATTENDING VIRTUALLY MR. RICHARDSON, YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE. OKAY. YEAH, A MINUTE AGO IT SAID I COULDN'T DO IT, SO I THOUGHT Y'ALL WERE GONNA DO THAT FOR ME. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU AT, AT THIS TIME. I THINK, UM, AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS ARE CONCERNED, UH, TYPICALLY THE WAY WE BUILD IS THAT IF THERE'S A, WE DO DIVIDED LIGHT ON THE FRONT, UM, AND ONE OVER ONE'S ON THE SIDES AND THE BACK AND LESS THE WINDOW OR THE ROOM, UH, HAS A FRONT AND SIDE ELEVATION. SO, UM, AS FAR AS CHANGING THEM TO ONE OR THE OTHER, JUST THE WINDOW PROFILE, UH, CONSISTENCY THERE, I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. UM, UH, I WILL, WHEN WE COME BACK, I'LL EITHER HAVE 'EM ALL DIVIDED LIGHT OR ALL, UH, ONE OVER ONES. UM, AS FAR AS THE SKIRTING, UH, IS CONCERNED, UH, THIS PLAN WILL ACTUALLY BE ON GRADE. UH, SO THEY'LL, IT WILL BE ON THE FOUNDATION. IT WON'T BE PURE AND BEAM AS IS SHOWN. UM, SO THAT, UM, UH, THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AS WELL. UH, WHERE I DO HAVE, UH, AN AN ISSUE IS THIS IS, UH, IT'S, IT'S A TWO FAMILY DWELLING. UM, IT, IT WILL BE FOR SALE, UH, BOTH SIDES. AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO A SINGLE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE IT, IT JUST, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A, A, A, A SELLING FEATURE HERE. I THINK THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU SPEND THE MONEY FOR THIS, IF THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA WANT, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY. THEY ALREADY, THEY DON'T HAVE A [00:55:01] GARAGE, WHICH IS KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND THE DRIVEWAYS AS WE HAVE THEM, UH, THEY'RE KIND OF RIBBON. SO AT THE STREET, THEY WILL BE THE, THE, THE CEMENT OR THE CONCRETE. UM, BUT ONCE WE GET PAST THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S, UH, MY INTENT THAT WE GO, UH, WITH A CRUSHED GRANITE OR A BLACK STAR GRANITE OR SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS, UH, PERMEABLE, UH, THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH THE, THE, THE LOCK COVERAGE, UH, AS, AS WELL. UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE, UH, REVEAL ON THE SIDING, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE GO TO FOUR INCHES. UM, WE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE SIX OR LESS. SO, UH, FOUR IS A BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE, UH, WOULD NORMALLY DO. UM, IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON HOW, UM, IT, HOW HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, UM, IT MAKES THE STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING LOOK. SO SOMETIMES THAT MIGHT BE FIVE, SOMETIMES MIGHT BE FIVE AND A HALF. UM, THIS, IS THIS, THIS STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE OR, OR HOME. IT'S CALLED A A, A DOUBLE CAMELBACK, WHICH IS, UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH NEW ORLEANS, IT'S UH, KIND OF WHAT YOU SEE A LOT THERE. CAMELBACKS AND DOUBLE CAMELBACKS AND SHOTGUNS AND DOUBLE SHOTGUNS. AND, AND THERE, THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES, UH, IN THE DING, WITTY, UH, HILLS AREA AS WELL OF THE SHOTGUNS. AND I BELIEVE I'VE EVEN SEEN A COUPLE CAMELBACKS AS WELL. UM, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT GOING TO FOUR, BUT, UM, SOMETIMES IT MAY LOOK A LITTLE BETTER. UM, YOU KNOW, AT A, AT A FIVE OR FIVE AND A HALF. UM, LANDSCAPING, UH, WE DID SUBMIT A LANDSCAPING ALONG WITH THAT SITE PLAN. UH, THERE, THERE'S SOME TREES ON THERE, UH, A COUPLE OF MAGNOLIAS I BELIEVE, AND THEN SOME, SOME SMALL, UH, BUSHES, UH, IN THE FRONT OF THE PORCH IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE. I, I CAN, UH, WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THE FULL PLANS, UM, I CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, UH, TO THAT. UM, THE PRIVATE WALK, UM, JUST BASED ON THE WAY, UH, THIS IS SITUATED IS TWO UNITS. UM, IT, IT WILL KIND OF GET A LITTLE CONGESTED THERE IF WE DO TWO WALKS, ONE FOR EACH HOUSE. SO THE WAY WE HAVE IT NOW IS THAT THE PRIVATE WALK IS COMING OFF OF THE DRIVEWAY, BUT WE CAN CHANGE THAT TO WHERE IT'S ONE WALK IN THE CENTER AND IT JUST KIND OF TEES, UH, TO GET TO THE INDIVIDUAL PORCHES AS AS, AS WELL. UM, BUT AS FAR AS ANY, UH, ANY OF THE, THE, THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FROM OHPI, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH, WITH, WITH MAKING, UH, THOSE CORRECTIONS, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH I THINK MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO DO. UH, THAT, THAT'S, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE, UH, SUBJECT TO YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UH, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? YES, THERE IS ONE. YES. MY NAME IS OTHER AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF D HNA ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING 6 22 SHE STREET. WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON THE FOLLOWING, THIS LOT IS ZONED AS R FIVE CD, SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY DOES NOT QUALIFY TO BE BUILT AT THIS LOCATION. SECOND, THERE ARE 11 STIPULATIONS THAT MUST STILL BE MET BEFORE THIS DESIGN MEETS OHP REQUIREMENTS. APPLICATIONS OF THIS MANY STIPULATIONS SHOULD NEVER BE APPROVED AND SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO RETURN WITH DESIGNS AND PLANS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH OHP GUIDELINES AND WITH ONLY A FEW STIPULATIONS THAT WOULD BE EASY TO BE MET WITHOUT MAJOR NEW MAJOR DESIGN WORK. THIRD, THE SUBMITTED PLANS DON'T MATCH. PAGE NINE AND 11 LOOK LIKE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STRUCTURES. ARE THE UNITS SUPPOSED TO BE SIDE BY SIDE OR A DOWNSTAIRS UPSTAIRS UNIT. THE ELEVATIONS LOOK LIKE THE, THERE SHOULD BE INTERIOR STAIRS TO GET TO THE SECOND FLOOR. WHERE ARE THEY ON THE PLANTS? HOW YOU GAIN ACCESS TO THE SECOND UNIT BASED ON THEIR PLANS. A REAR PORCH [01:00:02] STEPS AND DOORS ARE NOTED ON THE DESIGNS ON PAGE NINE, BOTH UNITS, BUT ARE NOWHERE TO BE SEEN ON THE ELEVATION DESIGNS ON PAGE 11. THANK YOU. THAT WAS EARLY VOICE WILL MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, ONE MOMENT. UM, MR. RICHARDSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE, THE CITIZEN COMMENTS? UH, YES. UM, WELL, SHE'S, SHE'S INCORRECT ABOUT THE ZONING. IT'S A CONDITIONAL, A CD IS FOR THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF, OF DWELLING. UH, THE PLANS ARE NOT SUBMITTED ON THE INTERIOR BECAUSE THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL, UH, CLEARLY THERE ARE TWO DOORS ON THE FRONT OF THE ELEVATION AND THE, IT'S AN ATTACHED, UH, UNIT. UM, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING AT AS FAR AS, IS IT ONE UNIT DOWN OR IS IT ONE UNIT UP? UM, TWO FRONT PORCHES, TWO SIDE PORCHES. UM, I DON'T, PAGE 11, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SEEING WHAT SHE'S, WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THERE. SO, UM, I, I DIDN'T MAKE NOTES OF AS SHE WAS GOING. I DID LISTEN TO SOME OF THE THINGS, BUT IF WE LOOK, YEAH, IF WE LOOK HERE, WE HAVE A RIGHT SIDE AND A LEFT SIDE. SO THERE, THERE ARE TWO, UH, UNITS HERE. UH, ONE IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, ONE IS ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, THE RIGHT SIDE. THIS IS THEIR SIDE DOOR TO GET INTO THE HOUSE. AND THE LEFT SIDE, THAT'S THEIR LEFT SIDE TO GET INTO THE HOUSE. IT'S WHERE THEY WOULD PULL UP TO THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, PULL INTO THEIR DRIVE AND GET OUTTA THEIR CAR AND GO INTO THE, THEIR LIVING AREA IN THE BACK THERE. UH, THE FRONT PORCH THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO, THE FRONT ELEVATION, THERE ARE TWO SETS OF STEPS THAT GO UP INTO EACH UNIT. UH, THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR OWN PRIVATE PORCH. UH, THE REAR ELEVATION THERE, THERE IS NO, UH, BACK PORCH FOR THE REAR, WHICH SHE'S, I I THINK SHE WAS SAYING THAT THERE'S A, UH, BACK PORCH, BUT THERE, THERE ARE NO BACK PORCHES ON THIS'S. CAN YOU GO TO PAGE NINE? I THINK IT'S BECAUSE PAGE NINE IS THE ONE THAT CONFUSES, WELL, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT. OH, YEAH, YEAH. THEY, THEY, I, I, I MISSED THAT. THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WERE GOING TO, TO DO HERE IN HOUSTON. WE BUILT THIS WITHOUT A REAR PORCH JUST BECAUSE OF A LOT CONSTRAINTS. AND I TOLD THE ARCHITECT TO ADD THE BACK PORCH BACK ON, AND, AND HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T CHANGE IT, UH, TO THE, THE, HE DIDN'T CHANGE IT, UM, ON THE ELEVATION. BUT THE, THE LENGTH OF THE HOUSE IS THE SAME. UH, THE LENGTH HAS THE, THE REAR PORCH ON IT, BUT THE ELEVATION DOESN'T. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S, WHAT SHE'S SAYING NOW. UM, BUT YEAH, THERE, THERE, THERE IS A BACK, A BACK PORCH, UH, AS, AS WELL. UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE. AND IT CAN BE ADDRESSED, UH, WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UH, WHEN WE COME BACK, UH, FOR THE, THE, THE ACTUAL APPROVAL, UM, THERE, 'CAUSE WE'RE BUILDING IT NOW HERE IN HOUSTON, AND IT, IT, WE DON'T HAVE THE BACK PORCH ON IT THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? UM, WILL MORE AN OBSERVATION, UH, BUT LET'S CALL IT A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. THE, THE, THE, UM, THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE BEFORE US DO NOT GIVE US THE INFORMATION REQUIRED FOR US TO EVEN CONSIDER. UH, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE HOW THIS GOT THROUGH STAFF. IT'S THE SECOND FLOOR. THERE'S NO STAIRCASE, THERE'S NO SITE PLAN. SO IN ORDER TO BE FAIR TO THE APPLICANT, WE, WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE AS, AS, UM, AS DIRECT AND AS QUICK AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BE, THAT THERE'S REALLY NO WAY FOR US TO, TO REVIEW THIS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROXIMITY IS TO PROPERTY LINES. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHTS ARE. IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT READY FOR, FOR EVEN SCHEMATIC, ALTHOUGH THE PLANS ARE WELL DEVELOPED. SO THERE'S A CONTRADICTION AND, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT CONCEPTUAL ENOUGH, UH, TO, TO TELL US HOW YOU GET UPSTAIRS, BUT IT'S CONCEPTUAL ENOUGH TO TELL US WHERE THE TOILETS ARE. SO IN ALL FAIRNESS, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO MOVE THIS, UH, UM, APPLICATION TO CONTINUANCE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AMPLE TIME TO GET ENOUGH INFORMATION AND, AND THAT STAFF GUIDE THIS APPLICANT IN A, IN A MODE OF COMPLETENESS SO THAT IT RETURNS TO [01:05:01] US AND WE HAVE ALL THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. I, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE THOSE. I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION. YOU MAY HAVE THE INFORMATION, SIR, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THE INFORMATION TO REVIEW HERE. BUT HOLD ON, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE REQUIRING AS CONCEPTUAL FROM THE APPLICANT? BECAUSE WE ARE NEVER REQUIRED THAT MUCH DETAIL FOR CONCEPTUAL. SO I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT WAS AWARE. SO THERE'S THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, UNLIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DETAILED SET OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. UH, THE, THERE'S NOT A, A STANDARD OR A LEVEL OF DOCUMENTATION FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. UH, SO WHEN WE, IN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, IF YOU NOTE IN OUR FINDINGS, WE DO HAVE A FINDING ABOUT INCONSISTENCIES IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. UH, BUT WE AS STAFF FEEL THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED ENOUGH INFORMATION TO WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. WE CAN GIVE THE APPLICANT COMMENTS AND FINDINGS FROM STAFF, UH, IN REGARDS TO THEIR MASSING, TELL THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO HAVE ON A, ON A, A DEVELOPED AND TWO SCALE SITE PLAN. UH, AND, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'VE, WE'VE GIVEN THEM BACK ESSENTIALLY I THINK 11 OR 12, UH, COMMENTS, UH, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. UM, WE FEEL THAT, UM, THAT IT IS HELPFUL FOR AN APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THESE COMMENTS FROM STAFF TO SEE WHAT A FULL, THE COMMISSION WOULD, WOULD COMMENT ON UNDER A FULL REVIEW AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED TO WORK ON WHEN THEY DO COME BACK FOR, FOR FINAL APPROVAL. WELL, EDWARD, THERE, THERE'S YOU, YOU KNOW, FOR JUST SPEAK, FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, UM, FROM THE INDUSTRY, CONCEPTUAL DOES MEAN SOME THINGS AND, AND IT CAN MEAN A BOX, BUT THAT BOX CAN'T BE FLOATING IN SPACE, YOU KNOW, SO, SO SETTING THE BOX ON THE LAND CAN BE CONSIDERED, UH, CONCEPTUAL IF WE'RE USING CARDBOARD. BUT IF YOU'RE, IF WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FLOATING IN SPACE, UH, ALIEN FROM THE SITE, IT'S NOT A WORKING DRAWING FOR THERE TO BE A FIVE FOOT DIMENSION FROM ONE SIDE OR AN EIGHT FOOT DIMENSION FROM THE OTHER. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A WORKING DRAWING THAT'S JUST KIND OF COMMON SENSE THAT, THAT IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE A HIGHER LEVEL CONSIDERATION. SO MAYBE THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE MISSING LINK HERE IS THAT IT'S, UM, A DESIGN REVIEW WHERE, WHERE AT LEAST THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT CAN REPORT BACK TO THE COMMISSION SAYING THAT WELL, THEY HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THE DISTANCES ARE AND THAT THERE'S A PLAN THAT IF IT'S GONNA TELL US WHERE THE TOILETS ARE IN A CONCEPTUAL FASHION, THAT WE WOULD KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET TO THE SECOND FLOOR. RIGHT? BECAUSE FOR ALL WE KNOW THE STAIRCASES ON THE OUTSIDE, LIKE THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, RIGHT. BUT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, AND COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ MAY BE A, A MORE HELPFUL APPROACH FOR THE APPLICANT. COULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT THE HEIGHT OR THE MASSING OR THE WIDTH IS APPROPRIATE IN A CONCEPTUAL CONTEXT, BUT NOT THE LOCATION ON SITE. WELL, I, I THINK FROM A STAFF STAND, THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO, TO, TO, TO TRY TO DO A CHICKEN OR THE EGG THING HERE WHERE WE KNOW IF IT'S THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG, IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T COME BEFORE US AT THIS LEVEL OF INCOMP INCOMPLETE, UM, UM, UH, DRAWING IT'S, I I THINK IT PRE THEY CAN SIT WITH STAFF, UM, FOREVER. AND IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T TAKE ANY TIME AWAY FROM LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, UH, A DOCKET THAT HAS AS MANY, UH, APPLICATIONS ON IT AS IT DOES MR. CHAIR, YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN OPTION TO, UM, SUBSTITUTE MOTION, BUT, UM, I DO NOT, I'M NOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS AND ALL COMMENT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE AMENDED MOTION? SECOND. SECOND, YES. AND THE REASON IS I FEEL LIKE STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON TWO VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT SHOULD KNOW BEFORE IT GOES AND HIRES ARCHITECTS OR PAYS ARCHITECT FOR MORE DRAWINGS AND MORE DETAILS BEFORE EVEN, YOU KNOW, GOING TO, GOING THROUGH CONCEPTUAL IS THE TWO DRIVEWAYS AND THE WALKWAY. AND I THINK THOSE ARE TWO IMPORTANT FACTORS THAT WILL PROBABLY DETERMINE HIS PROJECT OR NOT. THIS IS WHY CONCEPTUALISTS IN, WE'VE HAD MANY CONCEPTUAL APPROVALS HERE TO REALLY DETERMINE IF JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE PROPERTY BEING TWO UNITS, BUT TWO DRIVEWAYS, IF THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION, AND THAT'S WHAT CONCEPTUAL IS FOR. OTHER COMMENTS? YES, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER, IN RESPONSE TO BOTH OF THOSE, UM, POSITIONS, I, I DO CONSIDER THIS AN INCOMPLETE APPLICATION. UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T REQUIRE A LOT OF DETAIL, A LOT OF, UM, DESIGN DETAIL IN CONCEPTUAL, BUT AS COMMISSIONER VALESQUEZ MENTIONED, WE DO WANT TO SEE IT IN, IN ITS LOCATION, WHICH HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE HEIGHT AND THE MASSING. UM, [01:10:01] THE HEIGHT AND THE MASSING IS REALLY, UH, REALLY A PROBLEM ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE RATHER THAN, UM, UM, GIVING ERRONEOUS INFORMATION AND SAYING, UM, THIS IS FINE EXCEPT FOR THESE FEW ITEMS WHICH ARE LISTED ONE THROUGH 11. I THINK IT'S FAIR TO TO ADMIT THAT THIS IS AN INCOMPLETE APPLICATION. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A FLOOR PLAN, A FLOOR PLAN THAT MATCHES THE ELEVATIONS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS, THAT'S REALLY BASIC. AND, UM, IT WOULD ALSO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE THEY HIRE OTHER PROFESSIONALS TO RECONSIDER WITHOUT FEELING TIED TO A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. RECONSIDER OTHER LAYOUTS, OTHER SITE LAYOUTS WE DON'T HAVE IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT. TOO MANY EXAMPLES OF THIS, UM, THIS KIND OF LAYOUT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ACTUALLY, BUT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DUPLEX LAYOUTS THAT DO FIT THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT THOSE. EVEN NEW CONSTRUCTION. I, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ON DAWSON THAT WOULD SATISFY THIS PROGRAM WONDERFULLY AND ACTUALLY FIT THE GUIDELINES, UM, AS WELL AS THE CONTEXT. SO, UM, I THINK THIS IS VERY INCOMPLETE AND I I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE EVEN GIVING IT CONCEPTUAL. THE LIST IS THERE. THE APPLICANT KNOWS WHAT TO WORK ON. OTHER CHAIR COMMENTS? LET ASK MR. CHAIR. I'D HAVE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER S SABINO AND COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ. UH, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OR CONCEPTUAL PRO OR CONCEPTUAL, UH, UH, DRAWINGS, SCOPE OF WORK HAS TO FACTOR IN. I THINK THE SCOPE OF WORK OF THIS PROJECT REQUIRES A BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE CONCEPTUAL PRODUCTS AND I DON'T THINK I'M SEEING THAT IN FRONT OF ME, SO I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR THE AMENDMENT AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT AND I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THE AMENDMENT EITHER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE AMENDED MOTION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS NAY CASTILLO NAY SAVINO NAY VELAZQUEZ NAYYY GALLOWAY NAY, MOOKA MAY, KIVA NAY GROUP? NO. AYE. CERVANTES, NO. HOLLAND AYE. AND FETZER NAY. MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. UM, NOW ANY DISCUSSION, FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE FIRST MOTION? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D JUST LIKE TO ALSO SUGGEST THAT THE APPLICANT DETERMINE WHEN THE A THAT THAT THEY WOULD BE PREPARED AND SET THE DATE WITH STAFF SO THAT THE, THE MOTION THAT THE, THE DATE STAY OPEN AS PER STAFF LEADING THE APPLICANT TO HAVING WHAT STAFF WOULD CONSIDER READY FOR COMMISSION AS OPPOSED TO READY FOR STAFF. MR. CHAIR? YES. UM, GIVEN THE MOTION, WE, THE CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDS THAT THERE BE, UM, TIME CERTAIN OR NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING, A SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME FOR WHEN THIS, UM, CONTINUANCES WOULD COME BACK OR THIS CASE? WELL, WELL, MR. CHAIR, BASED ON THE DRAWINGS, BASED ON THE PRESENTATION AND STAFF'S EXPECTATION, I WOULD SEE 30 DAYS. SO THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, SECOND COMMISSION HEARING IN FEBRUARY? YES, SIR. I WILL NOTE, UH, WHILE THIS APPLICATION IS FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, THE 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD IS FEBRUARY THE 16TH. UH, SO THE COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO REVIEW AND TAKE SOME FORM OF ACTION ON THIS FEBRUARY THE SEVENTH. EDWARD, IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU COULD GUIDE THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT CAN REACH A POINT WHERE THEY HAVE DATA THAT A CONCEPTUAL DECISION COULD BE MADE, PLACEMENT MASSING, ALL OF THAT, IF Y'ALL FEEL THAT YOU CAN GET THERE BEFORE THEN, THEN IT CAN BE BEFORE THEN PROVIDED THAT IT'S BASED ON, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 30 DAYS. YEAH, I MEAN THE APPLICANT'S HAD THESE COMMENTS FOR OVER A WEEK, I BELIEVE NOW, UH, AND WE CAN SCHEDULE THIS FOR A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE HEARING, SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY FEBRUARY THE SEVENTH OTHER THAN MAYBE, UH, HIS DESIGNER BEING ABLE TO PUT THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TOGETHER. WHILE THAT WOULDN'T WORK WELL THEN MR. CHAIR FOR THIS FEBRUARY 7TH MEETING, DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? YES. YES. OKAY. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. [01:15:01] AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT ITEM NUMBER 22 1 0 7 SOUTH POND HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. UH, NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER 23 1 22 EAST HOUSTON STREET, AGENDA, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 0 0 2 1 22 EAST HOUSTON STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, MODIFY THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL STOREFRONT SYSTEM BY RELOCATING TWO PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE DOORS FROM THEIR CURRENT LOCATIONS TO LOCATIONS TO THE FAR EAST AND WEST OF THE STOREFRONT OPENINGS. BOTH DOORS WILL MAINTAIN A RECESS AS CURRENTLY EXIST, AND TWO, INSTALL A FABRIC CLOUD ALUMINUM CANOPY ABOVE THE STOREFRONT SYSTEM TO SPEND THE LENGTH OF THE STOREFRONT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING STOREFRONT SYSTEM BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT ALL EXISTING STOREFRONT SYSTEM ELEMENTS BE REUSED TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE AND THAT ANY USE STOREFRONT ELEMENTS MATCH THE EXISTING, EXISTING IN PROFILE AND MATERIAL. TWO, THAT ALL EXISTING FLOOR TILE AND ENTRANCE TILE WORK BE PRESERVED FOR. ITEM NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CANOPY INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDINGS A AND C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT A CANOPY THAT MATCHES THE PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED CANOPY SHOULD BE INSTALLED, PROVIDE CONTINUITY, THE BUILDING FACADE, AND TO BE COMPLIMENTARY OF THE, OF THE ORIGINAL CANOPY WHICH SPANNED THE ENTIRE FACADE. UH, THE APPLICANT'S CATHERINE FONTANO AND JENNIFER GRIBBLE ARE HERE IN PERSON YOU HI, AFTERNOON. UM, THANK YOU FOR TODAY. MY NAME IS JENNIFER GRIBBLE. I'M WITH INSIGHT DESIGN AND PLANNING AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL. EXCUSE ME, COULD YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIC? HOW IS THAT BETTER? OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL START OVER. MY NAME IS JENNIFER GRIBBLE. I'M WITH INSIGHT AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL FACADE MODIFICATIONS AND THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW AWNING STRUCTURE. I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE STIPULATIONS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL WITH REGARD TO STIPULATION ONE. WE'RE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WE INTEND TO RETAIN THE CURRENT ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING AT THE STOREFRONT SYSTEMS AND REUSE AS MANY OF THE EXISTING COMPONENTS AS POSSIBLE AND ONLY MODIFY THE LOCATION OF THE SUITE ENTRANCE DOORS TO MEET, UM, LIFE AND SAFETY EGRESS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NEW TENANT FINISH OUT. WE WILL MAINTAIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE STOREFRONT SYSTEM ALONG WITH THE ESTABLISHED SETBACKS AT THE ENTRY AND EXIT DOORS. THE EXISTING TILE FLOORING, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE, THE STOREFRONT SYSTEM WILL BE RETAINED AND PROTECTED DURING CONSTRUCTION. CONCERNING STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE OPEN TO ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION. AFTER FURTHER PHOTOGRAPHIC RESEARCH, WE'VE OBSERVED THAT AWNINGS HAVE NOT BEEN A CONSISTENT DESIGN VOCABULARY FOR THE NORTHERN FACADE OF THIS BUILDING. UM, WE'VE SUBMITTED SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS. THE FIRST IMAGE IS FROM THE DO DE GOER LIBRARY AT THE SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY DIGITAL COLLECTION IS A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN BY MARY E. JACOBSON. IT IS DATED 1892 OF THE ORIGINAL THREE STORY SOLEDAD BLOCK DESIGNED BY ALFRED GILLES PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE UNIVERSITY BLOCK PORTION, WHICH IS WHERE THE NEW, UM, ENTRANCE WILL BE. IT'S LOOKING DOWN EAST HOUSTON STREET FROM SOLEDAD. AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE NORTHERN FACADE OF THE BUILDING CONTAINS NO AWNINGS, ONLY ONE SMALL COVERED CANOPY STRUCTURE. THERE ARE FABRIC AWNINGS DEPICTED ON THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS AS WELL AS THE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET. THE NEXT IMAGE IS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT SAN ANTONIO. UM, LIBRARY'S DIGITALS COLLECTION IS THE ZEN CRAFT STUDIO DATABASE. THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS DATED 1890. I THINK THAT DATE MIGHT BE WRONG BECAUSE IT DOES INDICATE BOTH THE SOLEDAD BLOCK AND THE UNIVERSITY BLOCK. UM, IT SHOWS THAT BOTH OF THOSE, UM, DO NOT HAVE AN AWNING SYSTEM ALONG THE NORTHERN FACADE OF THE BUILDINGS. ONLY A FEW BLADE SIGNS AND THAT EXISTING COVERED CANOPY, THERE ARE STILL FABRIC AWNINGS ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL. UM, THE LAST PHOTO WAS TAKEN IN 1938 AND CAN BE FOUND IN THE UTSA LIBRARY'S DIGITAL COLLECTION SIGGRAPH STUDIO DATABASE. THIS IS LOOKING AT THE UNIVERSITY BLOCK AND THE SOLEDAD BLOCK STANDING ON EAST HOUSTON LOOKING TOWARDS SOLEDAD STREET. IT'S ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT. WHEN WE USED IT, WE KIND OF DID A LIGHT FILTER ON IT SO WE COULD SEE MORE, BUT, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE AWNINGS ALONG THE NORTHERN FACADE BUILDING THAT WERE INSTALLED BACK IN 1912 HAVE [01:20:01] BEEN COMPLETELY REMOVED. AND THE ONLY EXISTING STRUCTURE IS THE COVERED CANOPY ON THE SOLA DEAD BLOCK. SINCE HARD AWNINGS WERE NOT AN ORIGINAL CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE BUILDING AND WERE NOT PRESENT FOR THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, INITIALLY FROM 1722, UM, TO 1929 AND EXTENDED ON TO 1973, WE DO NOT BELIEVE A HARD AWNING SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR MEETING HISTORIC APPROVAL. WE WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE INSTALLATION OF A, OF A CANVAS AWNING SYSTEM AS AN APPROVED ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WE DO NOT. OKAY. UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO IF WE CAN GO TO, UM, THE LAST PAGE. NINE. SO YOUR FABRIC AWNINGS, ARE THEY OVER THE WINDOW? ARE THEY COVERING THE TOP? IF WE GO TO YEAH. HERE TO THE LEFT SIDE, THEY WILL BE ABOVE THE LOWER WINDOWS AND BELOW THE TRANSOM WINDOWS. THERE IS A, UM, A HEADER PIECE THAT'S DIVIDING THOSE TWO ELEMENTS. AND SO IT WOULD BE SORT OF SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN THAT PORTION. BUT YOU'RE NOT REALLY SHOWING HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COVER OR ARE YOU UM, YOU MEAN ON THE ELEVATION OR IN FLOOR PLAN? VIEW? ON THE ELEVATION. IT, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S IN THE EXISTING BAND OF THE STONE WORK. SO WHERE THE DOOR, THE BOTTOM OR THE TOP OF THE DOOR, THAT'S THE FABRIC AWNING STRUCTURE THERE. AND THEN THERE'S A BAND THERE OF WOOD TRIM WORK AND THEN THERE'S A TRANSOM WINDOW ABOVE IT. OKAY. SO LIKE, IT'S JUST HARD TO SEE 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO TUCK IT INTO THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE SYSTEM. EDWARD, COULD YOU ZOOM INTO THE, UH, DETAIL? YEAH, THE DETAIL IN THE SOFFIT. SO THAT'S ABOUT HOW MUCH IS IT LIKE SIX? IT'S, IT'S 16 INCHES, SIX, SIX FEET. MM-HMM. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HARD HAVING HARD ONE TO SEE. THE SIX FEET RIGHT THERE IN ELEVATION TWO. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DEPTH OF IT? IT'S FOUR FEET OUT FROM THE FRONT OF THE FACADE OF, OH, IT'S 16 INCHES. UH, IT'S, IT'S VERY NARROW. COMMISSIONER GRU, I THINK THAT MAYBE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. UM, I I THINK MAYBE YOU'RE ASKING IF IT'S GOING TO COVER UP ANY OF THE EXISTING TRANSOM WINDOWS. YEAH. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT PER THE DETAIL, UH, THE APPLICANT. SORRY, I'M GONNA TRY TO HIGHLIGHT THIS. MM-HMM. , THE APPLICANT'S GONNA INSTALL THE CANOPY BASICALLY, UH, TO WHERE IT'S GONNA BE. UM, IT, IT WHERE, WHERE TRADITIONALLY A CANOPY WOULD BE. SO IT'S NOT GONNA COVER ANY OF THE TRANSOM WINDOWS ABOVE, UH, IT'S ONLY APPROXIMATELY 16 INCHES IN HEIGHT. SO IT'S A VERY LOW SLOPE. IT IS, YES. CANVAS AWNING. YES. OKAY. IT'S A LOW SLOPE, BUT I DON'T, ON THE SIX FEET, THAT'S THE LENGTH. OH, OUT, NO, THE SIX FEET OR UP 16 INCHES, IT'S 16 INCHES UP. IT IS FOUR FEET OUT INTO THE SIDEWALK PORTION OF IT. THE TWO FOOT DIMENSION IS THE SETBACK OF THE ENTRY DOORS. OKAY. MR. MR. CHART. AND IT'S THE FULL WIDTH OF THE STOREFRONT FOR EACH UNIT, CORRECT? YES. AND SO IT, IT GOES ALL THE WAY, ONE PIECE. YES MA'AM. AND THEN MAINTENANCE, JUST BECAUSE THOSE TYPE OF FABRICS THEY GET DIRTY AND THE SUN AND ALL THAT. WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR THAT? WELL, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. MY NAME IS CATHERINE FONTANO. I'M WITH WESTERN URBAN AND WE OWN THE BUILDING. UM, WE DO WINDOW CLEANING AND, AND YOU KNOW, KEEP UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE ON ALL OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT CADENCE FOR THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT IT WILL BE ADDRESSED. WE, WE DO THAT. YOU COULD PUT THAT AS A STIPULATION IF YOU NEEDED TO, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. WELL, I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION, BUT I THINK A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER SAVINA HAS A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER SAVINA LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORING AWNING, WHICH IS A BEAM, UM, A CHANNEL BEAM OR AN A WIDE FLINCH, THE ROYAL BLUE GROCERY, WHAT IS THE DEPTH OF THAT BEAM THAT'S VISIBLE? AND I'M ASKING BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT THAT YOURS, EVEN THOUGH YOUR AWNING IS A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, DIFFERENT, EVERYTHING THIS ONE EXPRESSES I THINK THE INTENT OF THE AWNING WHERE NONE MIGHT NOT HAVE EXISTED AND THAT IS AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. SO I THINK THAT YOUR LEADING EDGE OF THAT SIX INCHES MM-HMM. MATCHED DIMENSIONALLY THE ONE OVER HERE SO THAT IT BECOMES AS CON SO THERE'S SOME CONTINUITY RIGHT. ON THAT, ON THAT LEADING EDGE, IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN SIX INCHES, RIGHT? IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN SIX INCHES. THAT ONE MIGHT'VE BEEN EIGHT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD, UM, UM, MATCH, COMMIT TO MATCH? I THINK WE COULD DEF, I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY EXPLORE THAT. MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THE SLOPE THEN FOR AS FAR OUT AS WE'RE EXTENDING THAT CANOPY, IT WOULD BE SO MINIMAL THAT [01:25:01] WATER MIGHT TEND TO PULL UP ON TOP OF IT. SO IF WE END UP DOING THAT, I WOULD ALMOST WANNA KIND OF PULL IT BACK CLOSER TO THE STOREFRONT SYSTEM SO THAT WE COULD GET JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE PITCH TO IT. MM-HMM. ? YEAH. I THINK THE TRICK IS, IS BECAUSE IT IS A SINGLE BUILDING FACADE AND THERE'S THIS DESIRE OF THE EYE, EVEN THOUGH HISTORICALLY WE HAD THIS MAIN ENTRY BCAN KIND OF ENTRYWAY. UM, BUT THERE IS A DESIRE OF THE EYE AND THE MIND TO UNIFY A LITTLE BIT, NOT EVERYTHING. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP THAT EFFORT. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST SAY ONE THING. I MEAN, AS WE LOOKED BACK THROUGH ALL OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THERE REALLY WASN'T ANYTHING CONSISTENT. I MEAN, WE REALLY STUDIED THOSE AND THEY ARE KIND OF A HODGEPODGE OF, OF TRUE ON IT. SO JUST, JUST MAKING THAT POINT, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. THAT THE, THAT DIMENSION, THAT LEADING EDGE DIMENSION IS, IS MERELY JUST A, UM, SORT OF A FRAMEWORK KNOWING THAT EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE AWNING ABOUT THE AWNING IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. OKAY. MORE OF A GUIDING LINE. I THINK SHE JUST WANTS TO MAINTAIN THAT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION YES, SIR. TO APPROVE WITH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, SAVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO AND ALLOW FOR A FABRIC CANOPY AT THE FOUR FEET 16 INCH DEMENTIA AS PRESENTED. AS PRESENTED. YES, SIR. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I JUST, YES, LIKE TO JUST ADD THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE BLUE, UH, METAL BAR, IT, IT'S ALWAYS SEEMED HEAVY AND, UH, IT, IT CLEARLY IS AN AFTERTHOUGHT AND AFTER A HUNDRED SOME ODD YEARS CLEARLY IS AN AFTERTHOUGHT. RIGHT? BUT I THINK THAT THE, THAT YOUR, THE IDEA FOR THE FABRIC IS GONNA MAKE IT, UH, FEEL BETTER AS PEOPLE WALK BY, IT'S NOT GONNA FEEL LIKE SOMETHING BIG AND HEAVY IS GONNA FALL ON THEM, YOU KNOW? SO, UH, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. YEAH, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND YOU TO WORK YOUR DETAIL TO THAT HEADER PIECE. UM, EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING DID NOT HAVE, UH, CONSISTENT AWNINGS, THAT TRANSOM ABOVE, UH, CANOPIES IS QUITE COMMON IN HISTORIC BUILDINGS. AND TO KEEP THAT TRANSOM WINDOW I THINK IS IMPORTANT HERE. SO THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SENO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 24. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2227, QUENTIN DRIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY APPROXIMATELY 1,752 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE FRONT SETBACK IS INCREASED SO THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ALIGNS WITH THE NEIGHBORING SETBACK AT 2 31. QUENTIN, BASED ON FINDING D AN UPDATED SITE PLAN MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA TWO THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIES THE ROOF PITCH TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE PREDOMINANT LOWER SLOPED ROOFS OF ADJACENT STRUCTURES BASED ON FINDING F UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO ISSUING A COA THREE THAT THE FIBER CEMENT SIDING FEATURES A REVEAL OF NO MORE THAN SIX INCHES AND A SMOOTH TEXTURE BASED ON FINDING HA FAUX WOOD GRAIN FINISH IS NOT PERMITTED WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. THE SUBMITTED WINDOW PRODUCT APPEARS TO MEET THESE, TO MEET THESE STIPULATIONS AND FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS HEIGHT SPECIFICATIONS FOR ANY RETAINING WALLS OR CURBING INSTALLED FOR THE PROPOSED PLANTERS TO STAFF OR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA BASED ON FINDING O THE APPLICANT. READ KIRKSEY IS WITH US HERE IN PERSON AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL AND ONE LETTER IN YOUR FOLDERS. ARE WE WAITING FOR A VOICEMAIL OR, UH, YOU CAN PRESENT FIRST. OKAY. HI, I AM JUST THINK I'M LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE ON ITEM NUMBER TWO OF THAT, OF THE, EXCUSE ME, SIR, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? I'M REED KIRKSEY. THANK YOU. I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND HOPE TO BUILD THIS HOUSE FOR ME AND MY FAMILY TO LIVE IN. UM, SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR, UH, VARIANCE OR CLARIFICATION ON ITEM NUMBER TWO OF THIS. UM, [01:30:02] AND THAT IS WITH THE LOWER SLOPED ROOFS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO YES, ON EITHER SIDE THERE ARE LOWER SLOPES ROOFS, BUT UP AND DOWN THAT BLOCK THERE ARE MANY HIGHER PITCHED ROOFS. AND, UM, I'VE EVEN INCLUDED SOME PICTURES OF SOME OTHER ROOFS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT I'M PROPOSING. AND, UH, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS MUCH STEEPER PITCHED. THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ABOUT DEAD ON TO WHAT I'M PROPOSING. AND THERE'S, THOSE ARE ONLY TWO EXAMPLES OF MANY OTHERS IN ON QUENTIN AND NORTH. THOSE ARE THE TWO STREETS THAT, UM, I WENT UP AND DOWN AND, UM, SO I THINK I'M ALL THE OTHER, UH, ITEMS THERE. I'M, I'M GOOD WITH, I CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES. THAT WOULD BE ITEM 1, 3, 4, AND FIVE. BUT ITEM TWO, JUST LIKE A, A VARIANCE TO DO A SIX 12 PITCH ROOF, WHICH IS WHAT I'M, WHAT IS ON THE PLANS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE? AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 24 2 2 7. QUENTIN. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE 10 MEMBER MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO BUILD A NEW HOME ON THE 200 BLOCK OF QUENTIN. WE AGREE AND STRONGLY SUPPORT ALL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND REQUEST THE INCLUSION OF THESE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. ONE, THE WINDOW FILL AND TRIM SHOULD BE ABOVE THE WAIN SCOPE CAP OR CONSIDER THE WINDOW FILL TRIM BEING THE SAME MASONRY MATERIAL USED FOR THE WACO CAP. THE WINDOWSILL NEEDS TO BE BETTER RESOLVED AS CURRENTLY THE PROPOSED CEMENT BOARD TRIM IS SITTING IN THE MASONRY WAINSCOT AND LACKS REFINEMENTS. PLEASE SEE THE IMAGES IN THE APPLICATION FOR 2 55, 3 15 AND 3 0 7 QUENTIN. TWO, THE GABLE FACE IS PLAIN AND NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE MORE DECOR OF GABLES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, CONSIDER ADDING MORE GABLE ACCENT TRIM TO IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS. NUMBER THREE, CONSIDER ADDING DETAILS TO ENHANCE THE AESTHETICS OF THE FRONT ELEVATION SUCH AS SHUTTERS, BRACKETS, AND LANDSCAPING. SOME DETAILS IN THE INITIAL SUBMISSION WERE REMOVED INSTEAD OF BEING REFINED. AND NUMBER FOUR, THE PROPOSED SIX OVER 12 ROOF CONFLICTS WITH THE MASSING AND SCALE FOR THE SITE AND SETTING. AND SHOULD BE A LOWER PROFILE SUCH AS FOUR OVER 12 OR LESS. WE WISH THE APPLICANT'S SUCCESS AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. UM, ANY COMMENT ON THE VOICEMAIL, SIR? UM, LET ME SEE IF I BELIEVE I GOT THE, THAT EMAIL. I DON'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING. SHE, I THINK ONE OF THE BIG ONES WAS HAVING THE WINDOW SILL AT OR ABOVE THE TOP OF YOUR WAIN'S COAT. OH, THAT'S, THAT'S AN EASY FIX. WE CAN, WE CAN COMPLY WITH THAT. UM, AND THAT JUST MAKES SENSE. UM, I I, I GUESS IT'S JUST NOT SPECIFIED IN THE PLANS, BUT THAT, THAT'S HOW I'VE BUILT HOUSES. UM, THAT'S HOW I ALWAYS DO THEM, SO I CAN EASILY COMPLY WITH THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. NUMBER TWO, THE GABLE FACE BEING PLAIN. WHEN I WAS HERE PREVIOUSLY, I WAS TOLD TO TAKE OFF THE, UH, CORBELS THAT I HAD ON THE PLANS PREVIOUSLY AND TO BASICALLY MAKE IT DULLER OF A HOUSE. AND SO JUST, UH, FEELING LIKE BEING DRUG THROUGH THE MUD ON THAT ONE, BUT, UM, JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT Y'ALL THINK ON THAT. AND WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS NUMBER THREE? UM, SHUTTER. MR. CHA? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. OH, WELL, I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ONLY, UH, UH, PIECE THAT, THAT YOU HAVE A, A PROBLEM WITH IS THE, THE SHAPE, THE GABLES. THAT'S IT. THAT'S, OTHERWISE ALL THE STIPULATIONS ARE GOOD FOR YOU. YES, SIR. UH, MR. CHAIR, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN PERHAPS WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS, UH, WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, LESS THE STIPULATION DEALING WITH GABLES WITH THE PITCH. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? [01:35:02] I CAN SECOND THAT. OKAY. OKAY. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR, IF YOU GO TO GOOGLE MAP CENTER YOURSELF ON THIS ADDRESS AND JUST GO AROUND WITH A MAP RIGHT IN, IN, UH, LANDSCAPE. THE TWO HOUSES NEXT TO HIM, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE LOW GABLES, BUT WHEN YOU DO A LITTLE CIRCLE, THE, THE GABLES GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 6 12, 7 12. THEY, I MEAN, I MEAN, HE, HE'S RIGHT ON THE MONEY. THERE'S GABLES THAT CLEARLY, UH, VERY INCONSISTENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT, UH, CONSIDERING THAT I'M IMAGINING THAT, UM, THE HOUSES THAT WERE DESIGNED WITH THE LOW GABLES, THAT, THAT THEY'RE KIND OF QUASI RANCH HOUSES, THAT THEY HAD WINDOW UNITS WHEN THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED. AND, UH, TODAY, YOU KNOW, UM, THE HVAC UNITS SOMETIMES ARE LOCATED IN THE ATTICS NOW, AND THE DUCT WORK IS LOCATED IN THE ATTICS. IF THIS WAS PURELY A RANCH COMMUNITY, RANCH HOUSE COMMUNITY OR, OR A LOW SLOPE COMMUNITY, THEN, THEN MAYBE WE COULD TWIST OUR BRAINS TO FIGURE OUT HOW AN APPLICANT WOULD DEAL WITH THE SYSTEMS IN THE ATTIC. BUT BECAUSE THIS AREA HAS AN ARRAY OF, OF PITCHES, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY, UM, THAT, UH, THAT IS AN ANOMALY. UM, TO, TO TO, TO JUST ECHO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOT, NOT TO INCLUDE, BUT JUST TO, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, FOOD FOR THOUGHT. SOME OF THE DETAILS IN THE COMMUNITY, THE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO DESIGN. BUT I, I THINK THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROCESS. I DON'T WANNA BRING THAT THAT INTO NECESSARILY INTO THE CONVERSATION, BUT THERE'S WAYS TO CREATE MORE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA. BUT THE ROOF PITCH, UH, HIS, HIS, HIS ARGUMENT, UH, ON FROM MY PART IS WELL TAKEN. UM, THAT, BUT I, I, I THINK THAT IT, IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE HIM, UH, GO AND FINISH HIS HOUSE. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, SO, UH, I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. MM-HMM, . SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE STREET. THIS STREET IS VERY SPECIFIC THAT MOST OF THE STORIES ON THAT SIDE OF QUENTIN ACTUALLY HAVE THAT FOUR 12 PITCH. ALL THE OTHERS ON THE OTHER SIDE ARE MOSTLY TWO STORIES, OR THE TWO EXAMPLES THAT YOU SHOW WERE KIND OF LIKE THE ROCK, FULL ROCK AND ALL THAT. AND THEN THE ONES THAT, UM, MAYBE COMMISSIONER OF VELAZQUEZ IS ALLUDING TO IS THE ONES WHERE INSTEAD OF BEING A GABLE ROOF, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FRONT, YOU KNOW, FLAT ROOF FRONT. SO, I MEAN, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A POINT. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THESE HOMES THAT ARE USED AS AN EXAMPLES ON QUENTIN WERE BUILT LIKE IN THE SEVENTIES. AND NOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS DIFFERENT FROM ALL, WE HAVEN'T HAD A NEW BUILT SINCE THE 1990S. THE FIRST ONE WAS JUST, THEY JUST MOVED IN TWO WEEKS AGO. MM-HMM. . SO YOU WILL BE THE SECOND ONE. THE THIRD ONE WE APPROVE PROBABLY THE SECOND ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING BUILT. SO I DO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE AND A LOT OF LIKE, MAYBE SURE. SO THIS WOULD BE LITERALLY THE SECOND YOU BUILT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE THE 1990. SO I JUST ASK EVERYBODY TO LIKE REALLY, REALLY, IT'S NOT JUST GOOGLE MAP, IT'S ALSO LIKE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE STREET. SO I THINK MORE, UM, THE GABLE, THE, THE, WHAT I THINK ACTUALLY IS MORE IMPORTANT IS THE OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP, HELP ON THAT SMOOTH IN THAT ROOF PITCH IS IF THAT SECOND FACADE BACK, LIKE IS THERE ANYTHING CHANGE YOUR MATERIALS OR LIKE HOW YOU PUT THE, THE WOOD OR HOW YOU DO, IS THERE SOMETHING DESIGNED THAT CAN MAKE IT LOOK LESS ONE FLAT BORING? LIKE CAN WE CUT IT UP IN TWO? CAN WE, I DON'T KNOW. AND I'M NOT GONNA DESIGN IT FOR YOU, BUT I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE I THINK I WOULD SUGGEST TO DO SOMETHING. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE PITCH IS LESS ABRUPT AND MAYBE BECAUSE, I MEAN, I AGREE. I MEAN, A FOUR 12 MIGHT BE HARD 'CAUSE OF AC AND DUCT SYSTEMS AND, BUT I MEAN, I DO BELIEVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A POINT ON THE, I THINK IT WAS THE SECOND COMMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, ADDING SOME KIND OF DECOR. I'M ADDING SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP SMOOTH THAT FACADE LIKE THAT. SURE, SURE. UH, QUESTION, UM, RACHEL, YOU HAD PUT UP THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION OF THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THAT SHOWED THAT THE FRONT GABLE HAD THE SIDING RUNNING VERTICALLY AND THEN THE RECESSED GABLE BEHIND THE PORCH. THE SIDING IS RUNNING HORIZONTALLY. IS THAT STILL YOUR PLAN? NO, I WAS PLANNING ON GOING ALL HORIZONTAL THERE BECAUSE OF, I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE I WAS TOLD TO NOT DO TWO DIFFERENT, UM, [01:40:01] I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS THE LAST TIME I CAME TO THIS MEETING OR IF IT WAS INFORMAL HEARING OR, OR WHERE IT WAS, BUT AT SOME POINT I WAS TOLD TO MAKE IT ALL THE SAME STUFF. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YES, MR. I'D LIKE TO ASK IF, IF MAYBE I COULD, UM, ASK YOU TO ASK FOR YOUR OPINION ON SOMETHING. UM, I'M NOTICING THAT ALONG THE STREET THE GABLES ARE NOT FACING THE STREET, SO THERE'S A, A BIT OF A CONTINUITY, RIGHT? THAT'S BROKEN. UM, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF HOUSES THAT SHOW A GABLE AND A HIP, AND HE CLEARLY HAS CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE EITHER THE FRONT GABLE COULD BE HIT OR THE REAR GABLE COULD BE HIT FROM THE STREET, RIGHT. WHICH YOU SEE FROM THE STREET. WW WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IF ONE OF THE GABLES WAS HIT THAT IT WOULD REDUCE THE IMPRESSION OF, UH, THESE HIGH GABLES VERSUS THE FLAT GABLES OR THE, THE LESSER GABLES? UH, THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. WITHOUT ACTUALLY SEEING THE, THE, THE DRAWINGS IN THE ELEVATIONS, UM, HAVING THE PORCH ROOF HIPPED MIGHT REDUCE THAT. UM, OVERBEARING, SLIGHTLY OVERBEARING, UM, APPEARANCE OF THE, THE FRONT GABLE. W WHAT, DO YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM HIPPING? EITHER, EITHER THE FRONT OR THE REAR GABLE? UM, NOT AT THE MOMENT. NO, NO, NO, I DON'T ARE ARE YOU BUILDING IT OR IS SOMEBODY BUILDING IT FOR YOU? I'M, YES. SO I ALSO OWN A SMALL CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AND THAT'S, WE BUILD RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND SO WE WERE GONNA TAKE SOME TIME AND PULL OFF OTHER JOBS AND FOCUS HARD ON THIS ONE AND KNOCK IT OUT FOR MYSELF AND FAMILY. SO YES, I CAN DO THAT. WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN OUTSTANDING, UH, UM, A PROBLEM THAT YOU SEE INSIDE OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION THAT I'D LIKE THAT PERHAPS ASK THE SECOND TO CONSIDER IN, IN, IN THE MOTION PROVIDING YOU THE OPTION TO HIP THE FRONT GABLE OR THE SECONDARY GABLE AND, UH, ASK STAFF TO, UM, GUIDE YOU IN THAT PROCESS. SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT? SEE THE QUESTION TO, TO, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, COMMISSIONER GRU'S POINT IS THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PARTICULAR, UH, LINE THAT IS DRAWN AND YOUR FRONT GABLES, THEY RAISE BEYOND ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS, LETTING THAT FRONT, THAT FRONT GABLE LAY FLAT WOULD GIVE IT THAT IMPRESSION THAT YOU'RE RELATING. I DON'T WANNA DESIGN IT FOR YOU. THIS IS JUST IN TERMS OF STREET SCAPE. RIGHT. UM, BUT IF, IF THE LANGUAGE CAN BE PUT IN THE MOTION, THEN STAFF CAN GUIDE YOU AND IT, IT WOULD BE HEAVILY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU TAKE THAT, THAT ADVICE. BUT IT, IT WOULD BE YOUR CALL. SECOND SENSE. CAN I, CAN I JUST, UM, DO A, TO THAT POINT, MAYBE MAKE IT MORE CLEAR AND DO A YES. AMENDED MOTION? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? YES. OR JUST ASK IF WE COULD JUST, UM, WITHOUT DESIGNING IS INCLUDING SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS, UM, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO MAKE YOU CHANGE YOUR ROOF, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE ADD THE STIPULATION OF, OF, UM, ADDING SOME DECORATOR OR SOME MAKING THE GABLE A LITTLE BIT MORE DECORATIVE OR CONSIDERING, UM, ADDING SOME DETAILS TO THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHETHER OR NOT THAT CHANGES YOUR ROOF OR NOT. YEAH. AND THEN ADDING THE STIPULATION OF THE BEING THE WINDOWS SEAL AND TRIM BE ABOVE THE WAINS COAT CAP. SURE. IF I CAN ADD THOSE THREE STIPULATIONS, WOULD THAT GIVE DEMOTION MAKER OKAY. LIBERTY TO STILL, FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE THE ROOF PITCH? RACHEL, CAN YOU PUT THAT PREVIOUS ELEVATION UP? AND SO I THINK WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS THAT THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, ELEVATION THAT CAME TO A DRC. AND SO THERE WERE SOME INFORMAL COMMENTS ABOUT SIMPLIFYING THAT. UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S INTEREST IN INCLUDING AS A STIPULATION THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WOULD BE ALONG THE LINES OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK. YEAH. AND I THINK REALLY THE SIMPLIFICATION IS REMOVING SOME OF THE EXTRA, UM, ON THE, UM, IN THE FRONT ELEVATION. SOME OF THAT, I MEAN, JUST [01:45:01] REMOVING SOME OF THE EXTRA PIECES. UM, COMMISSIONER MAY I, UM, I THINK I, I BELIEVE I SAT IN MAYBE ONE OR TWO OF THE DRCS AND TRYING TO RECALL THAT, UM, EVOLUTION. I THINK WHEN WE, AS WE LOOKED AT THIS ONE, IT CLEARLY HAD A CHARACTER BECAUSE OF THE MATERIALITY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS NOT THIS ONE. AND SO, UM, THE BRACKETS COMING FORWARD FROM THE GABLE MM-HMM , THE BRACKETS AND THE BRACING ON THE PORCH, AS WELL AS THAT STONE SURROUND ON THE COLUMNS. YOU'VE REMOVED THOSE THINGS AND THOSE ARE THAT THOSE ARE GOOD MOVES. UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU COULD, UM, INCLUDE THE VERTICAL OR THE FACIAL, EXTRA FACIAL BOARD. I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED IS GOING BACK TO THE EARLIER MEETINGS, YOU'VE ALMOST BUILT YOURSELF INTO THIS BOX, THIS BIG GDD BOX. UM, THERE WERE COMMENTS EARLY ON ABOUT HOW TO BREAK UP THE MASSING OF THE ROOF AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT YOU TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE WHOLE ROOF, BUT THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE ALL ALONG. AND WHAT MAKES THAT ROOF AND THAT PITCH SO, SO BOLD AND IN YOUR FACE IS THAT IT'S SO BIG, IT'S 40 FEET WIDE WITH THE OVERHANGS. AND SO THAT I THINK IS THE SOURCE OF THE, I GUESS, DESIGN DISCOMFORT THAT SOME OF US ARE HAVING. THE EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR ROOF PITCHES THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED ON QUENTIN AND NORTH, YEAH, THEY'RE HIGH PITCHES, HIGH, YOU KNOW, RUN TO RISE, BUT THE, THE AREA THEY COVER IS REALLY SMALL. HMM. SO FROM A COMPOSITION STANDPOINT, I THINK THERE'S A, YOU, YOU'VE BUILT YOURSELF INTO A BOX AND IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DESIGN FOR US TO DESIGN THE WAY OUT OF IT. SO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT IN INTO THE ACCOUNT THAT THE LARGE ROOF IS REALLY WHAT'S LOOMING OVER EVERYTHING. SURE. THE VERY FIRST INFORMAL HEARING THAT I HAD OR COMMENTS ASKED ME TO CHANGE IT FROM SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT TO THERE, I THINK THIS IS YEP. TO DO ONLY GABLES FACING THE STREET. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I MOVED TO, I THINK, I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS BECAUSE OF THAT SIDE GABLE, YES. IT WAS EVEN TALLER BECAUSE YOU WERE USING ONE GABLE TO COVER THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT AND THE ENTIRE VOLUME. SO THE DISCUSSION ENSUED ABOUT HOW TO BREAK UP EVEN A BOX INTO SMALLER ROOF FORMS. AND UM, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY CHARACTER DEFINING AREA, UH, TOPICS OF THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. MANY STYLES, REVIVALS, ALL SORTS OF THINGS. BUT ONE THING THAT A LOT OF 'EM HAVE IN COMMON, MOST OF THEM HAVE IN COMMON IS THAT THOSE ROOF FORMS ARE RATHER SMALL. THERE ARE MANY ROOF FORMS THAT COVER ONE HOUSE, ONE FOOTPRINT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO MAY, IF THAT HELPS YOU SEE, UM, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE YOU SEE WHERE THE PROBLEM ORIGINATES. SURE. YEAH. SO WHERE DO WE STAND WITH OUR MOTION? WELL LET MR. CHAIR, LET'S JUST STAY WITH THE ORIGINAL MOTION. WE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND. LET'S, YES, WE DID. I, AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO COMPLICATE IT OUT, I APOLOGIZE. AND YOU STAY WITH THAT. SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT FOR THE SECOND ONE, I BELIEVE ABOUT THE ROOF PITCH THE ROOF, YES. AND HE'S GOT HIS PITCH. OKAY. ANY LAST DISCUSSION? WELL, WE'RE STILL LIKE, I WOULD STILL LIKE TO AMEND THAT WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS. IF I MAY GIVE YOUR AMENDED MOTION MOTION AS IT IS ADDING A STIPULATION TO, UM, CONSIDER SOME GABLE ACCENTS AND SOME ADDING SOME DETAILS TO THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THAT THE WINDOWSILL AND TRIM BE ABOVE THE WAINSCOT CAP AS, UH, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO. I'LL SECOND THAT. SO MOTION IS SECOND. I'M, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ENOUGH DIRECTION IN TERMS OF CONSIDERING DETAILS. OKAY. AND THEN, I MEAN OKAY. THEN I'LL ADD ONE MORE IF, IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT WITH THE SAME MOTION IS, AND I KNOW IT'S ASKING A LOT. YOU'VE BEEN HERE THROUGH A LOT, YOU'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES, I'VE NOT BEEN TO ONE OF THE DRCS, BUT I SEE THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, LISTENED AND YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF CHANGES. BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF THE SECOND NEW [01:50:01] BUILD IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH THOSE CHANGES? UM, I BELIEVE SO, YES. IS THAT PART OF YOUR AMENDED MOTION? UH, CAN I DO THAT? YOU CAN. I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THEN ONE MORE OR WELL, I VIEW IT AS A, UM, A MOTION TO CONTINUE WITH, WITH SOME, UM, HESITATIONS FOR WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE RESUBMITTAL. IS THAT OKAY WITH LEGAL? WOULD THAT BE STILL AMENDED MOTION OR BE THAT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? YES. I MEAN, WE WILL TAKE ACTION ON IT IF IT PASSES AND THAT BECOMES THE MAIN MOTION. AND SO YOU WOULD VOTE TWICE AS A TECHNICALITY. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. SO YEAH, IT'S LIKE BE A CONTINUANCE WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS. OKAY. AND COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. AND THE SECOND CONCURS, NO, I JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. I WAS ONLY CONCURRING SO THAT THE DESIGN PORTION OR THE DESIGN, UH, UH, CONCEPT BE APPLIED TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. SO I UNDERSTOOD THIS TO BE AN AMENDMENT ADDED TO THE MOTION OR, OR FOR, OR ANOTHER STIPULATION FOR LACK OF A, OF A, OF A BETTER TERM ON MY PART. IS THAT NOT THE CASE? THE MOTION IS THE, THE SECOND MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO CONTINUE TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING WITH SOME, SOME FEEDBACK AND STIPULATIONS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE, THE RESUBMITTAL BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT HAS ENOUGH GUIDANCE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO GIVE NO, I, I WON'T SUPPORT THAT AMENDMENT. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS JUST A QUICK STIPULATION TO ADD THE GUIDANCE OF A GABLE DESIGN TO THE, THE PRIMARY MOTION. UH, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, TRY AND HAVE HIM COME BACK. SO I DO NOT NEED TO SEE HIM AGAIN. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BABYSIT AND BIRDWALK UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HANDHOLD PEOPLE TO THE PROCESS THAT THE STIPULATION IS ACTUALLY PRETTY CLEAR. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THE AMENDED MOTION? I'LL SECOND. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES SIR. I WAS JUST CLARIFICATION. SO IF THIS MOTION FAILS, THEN WE VOTE ON THE PRIMARY MOTION, WHICH IS A MOTION FOR ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO EXCEPT FOR HIS REQUEST TO HAVE HIS ROOF PITCHES, CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THEN, SO THEN A, A VOTE TO NOT, UH, A VOTE NOT FOR THE AMENDMENT BRINGS BACK THE ORIGINAL VOTE? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ON THE AMENDED MOTION GIBBS? AYE CASTILLO AYE. S AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA NAYYY GUEVARA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES NO, HOLLAND AYE. AND FETZER NAY. MOTION PASSES. SO NOW WE VOTE ON THE AMENDED, THE MO, THE ORIGINAL MOTION AS AMENDED. CORRECT. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY. GALLOWAY? AYE. MOOKA. NAYYY GUEVARA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? NO. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FED? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, THANKS. AGENDA ITEM 25, MR. CHAIR, BEFORE WE PROCEED, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES, SIR. I WANNA GET SOME CLARIFICATION. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AMENDMENT TO A MOTION AND A AMENDED MOTION OR, OR A SECONDARY MOTION? THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT TOPIC FOR A FUTURE WORK SESSION. SO THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I WAS A LITTLE BIT UNSURE AS TO WHAT WE WERE VOTING ON HERE ON THE SECOND ROUND. WELL, UH, IT MAY TAKE TOO MUCH TIME. UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, IF WITH YOUR AGREEING WE'LL CONTINUE THIS FOR, UH, A TRAINING SESSION. BUT JUST A QUICK ANSWER. UM, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME EFFECT. YOU STILL HAVE TO, SO THEY BOTH HAVE THE EFFECT OF IT BEING AN [01:55:01] AMENDMENT AND, UH, AND, UH, UH, MR. CHAIR WITH YOUR PERMISSION, ALMA, THE, THE DIFFERENCE WOULD'VE BEEN A SUBSTITUTE VOTE VERSUS AN AMENDED VOTE ON A SUBSTITUTE MOTION VERSUS A, AN AMENDED MOTION. RIGHT. IF IT WAS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WE WOULD'VE HEARD THE SECOND THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME EFFECT. SO YOU, YOU BOTH HAVE TO TAKE A SECOND VOTE. SO IF A, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO ADD A STIPULATION IN THE FORM OF AN AMENDMENT TO A CURRENT MOTION WITHOUT MODIFYING THE MOTION, OTHER THAN ADDING A STIPULATION, THAT IS CONSIDERED A WHAT? AN AMENDMENT NOT A COMPLETE NEW MOTION. CORRECT. SOME BODIES IN ORDER TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS, TREAT AMENDED MOTIONS AS A SUBSTITUTE AND THEN THEY DON'T GO BACK AND TAKE ACTION ON THE MAIN MOTION. THAT IS NOT REALLY IN ACCORDANCE TO THE LETTER OF ROBERT'S RULES. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND I AGREE, IS TO ALWAYS GO BACK AND THEN RETAKE A VOTE ON THE MAIN OMITTED MOTION, EVEN IF THE OUTCOME IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL MAIN MOTION. AND IF WE WANNA GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND A WORK SESSION IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 25, PLEASE. ITEM 25 ON THE AGENDA, HTRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH OH FOUR, UH, 8 25 BROON STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. TWO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF WITH A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF. TWO, REMOVE ONE PILE LASTER ON THE FRONT PORCH. THREE, MODIFY THREE EXISTING CORINTHIAN COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE REPLACING THE EXISTING STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE METAL ROOF BE RETAINED ON THE SEPARATE FRONT FRONT ROOF PORCH. TWO, THE ROOF PITCH ROOF FORM OR ROOF RIDGE ARE RETAINED AND ALL CHIMNEY FLU AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MUST BE PRESERVED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, REMOVING ONE PY LESTER ON THE FRONT PORCH. BASED ON FINDING D THE PILE LESTER SHOULD BE RETURNED AND REPAIRED OR REPLACED IN KIND TO MATCH THE EXISTING CORINTHIAN COLUMNS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM. THAT ITEM NUMBER IS NOT CORRECT. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ITEM THREE. UH, MODIFYING THREE EXISTING CORINTHIAN COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COLUMNS BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SOLUTION TO COMPENSATE FOR ADDITIONAL FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE MODIFYING CAPITAL OR SHAFT OF THE EXISTING COLUMNS. A NEW TALLER SHAFT THAT MATCHES IN PROFILE AND DIMENSIONS MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, VANESSA SHELTON, HERE IN PERSON. HELLO, I'M THE OWNER VANESSA SHELTON AND THIS IS MY PARTNER KEITH MORGAN. WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UM, TO REMODEL IT. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD AND YEAH. OKAY. SO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THE HOUSE. 8 25 BURLESON. UM, ON RECORD. IT SAYS IT WAS BUILT IN 1929. UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS BUILT AROUND NINETEEN HUNDRED AND NINETEEN OH TWO ACCORDING TO SOME, SOME PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTS. UM, UM, HISTORIC, UM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOME, UM, KNOWLEDGE ON THE HISTORIC, UH, YEARS OF THIS STYLE OF HOME. UM, THIS HOME WAS OWNED BY PERFECTO AND YOLANDA VASQUEZ FOR OVER 25 YEARS. THEY RENTED IT OUT. I LIVE ON THE SAME STREET BY THE WAY. THEY RENTED IT OUT, UM, FOR OVER 15 YEARS TO HOARDERS. SO IN THAT 15 YEARS TIME, NEITHER THE OWNERS NOR THE RENTERS DID ANYTHING TO THE HOME. SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOME, UM, OCTOBER 31ST, 2023, IT WAS IN SEVERE DISREPAIR. UM, THE COLUMNS WERE THERE WHEN WE PURCHASED IT. HOWEVER, WHEN WE, UM, FIXED THE FOUNDATION, THE COLUMNS WERE KIND OF JUST LIKE HANGING THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEY RAISED THE FOUNDATION 20 INCHES, WHICH MADE THE COLUMNS THEN TOO SHORT. I JUST HAPPENED TO BE DRIVING HOME 'CAUSE I LIVE ON THE SAME STREET AND THE COLUMNS WERE JUST KIND OF LIKE SWAYING. UM, SO I ALMOST HAD A HEART ATTACK. BUT ANYWAY, I HAD THEM KIND OF SUPPORT THE PORCH. AND OUR INTENTION WAS TO PUT UP THE, THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS. HOWEVER, NOW THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS ARE TOO SHORT BECAUSE THE PORCH WAS ORIGINALLY 94 INCHES AND NOW IT'S 129 AND A HALF INCHES. SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE, UM, ALTER THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS, PUTTING RETURNING THREE COLUMNS, MAKING A [02:00:01] BLOCK ON TOP AND A BLOCK ON BOTTOM TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, TAKING THAT HALF COLUMN THAT WAS ON THE PORCH AND USING THAT WOULD TO EXTEND, UM, THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS AS MUCH AS WE CAN SO THAT THE, SO MOST OF THE COLUMN IS FLUTED. WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE RETURN THE ORIGINAL ROMAN CORINTHIAN, UM, CAPITALS, WHICH ARE HEMP AND HORSE HAIR AND OVER 120 SOMETHING YEARS OLD. AND THE ORIGINAL TWO, ONE AND A HALF. SO THIS IS WHAT I STILL HAVE. I STILL HAVE TWO, ONE AND A HALF. WERE RE WE'RE MISSING WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE. THEY HAVE FALLEN OFF BECAUSE IT'S HEMP AND HORSE HAIR AND IT'S REALLY A HAZARD TO PUT THEM BACK UP. I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE DILAPIDATED. THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA FALL. THEY'RE GONNA, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT BE PUT BACK UP. THEY'RE ALREADY CRUMBLING. I WENT AND I SPOKE TO A GENTLEMAN AT, UM, ANTIQUES ON HILDEBRAND AND HE DID DO A VIDEO. IF, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL, IF WE'RE ABLE TO WATCH THE VIDEO REGARDING THESE ORIGINAL, UM, CAPITALS. YOU SENT ME THE NO, I HAVE IT. OH, CAN WE, HE HAS IT ON HIS PHONE. CAN WE LISTEN TO IT? DO YOU WANNA HEAR IT? A VIDEO? I JUST TO KIND OF GIVE SOME HISTORY ON HOW THESE, UM, THESE ORIGINAL, UM, CAPITALS WERE MADE AND WHY THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NO LONGER A VIABLE, IT'S JUST THE MAN STANDING THERE. SO USE THE TABLE CAM AND THEN WE'VE GOT A MICROPHONE WE CAN PUT UP TO IT. THE ZOOM IS BROKEN ON THE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION IN THE MEANTIME? YES. JUST SO YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA, UH, THE THREE COLUMNS, THE ONE THAT YOU DON'T WANNA ADD OR CANNOT RECONSTRUCT IS THE ONE THAT'S UP AGAINST THE HALF COLUMN. THE HOUSE? YES. THE HALF COLUMN THAT WAS ON THE HOUSE, KEEPING IN MIND IT'S ONE 17 SIDING, SO IT WAS NEVER FLUSH. SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WATER WOULD GET BEHIND THERE ANYWAY, SO LIKE IT WAS NEVER, I DON'T KNOW HOW, YOU KNOW, THEY ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IT THAT WAY, BUT IT WAS NEVER FLUSHED TO THE HOME. PIECES OF THAT THAT YOU'RE GONNA USE TO EXTEND. YES. SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT 94 INCHES AND EXTEND THE OTHER THREE. AND I THINK IT CAME TO LIKE MAYBE 14 I, WHATEVER THAT IS. I DON'T REMEMBER. SORRY. YES, HELLO TO A CONCERN. I'M ROBERT BARRETT. I USED TO MAKE 500 STYLES UP AND MANUFACTURE, UH, PLASTER AND CEMENT ART AND SHIP IT ALL OVER. HAD A SHOWROOM IN THE DALLAS AND ATLANTA WORLD TRADE CENTERS IN THE NINETIES. BUT ANYWAYS, HAROLD KEMPER WAS MY TEACHER. HE DID A LOT OF RESTORATION AT, UM, MANY BUILDINGS, MUNICIPAL AUDITORIUM, MAJESTIC THEATER, ET CETERA, AT MANY ORIGINAL WORKS OF ART. UH, THESE ARE SOME OF MY MOLDS, MODELS, ET CETERA. AND, UH, I WAS TELLING THE CLIENT, OR WHO, THE LADY THAT'S APPROACHED ME, WHO'S VIDEOTAPING ME RIGHT NOW, THAT HER CORPORAL IS DEFINITELY GOING TO FALL APART. AND THIS IS DONE ABOUT 125 YEARS AGO. THIS IS USING HEMP, UH, WHICH IS THE, UH, EXTRACT OF THE, UM, MARIJUANA PLANT AND, UH, HORSE HAIR. AND THIS IS THE, THE PLASTER THEY USED AT THE TIME, WHICH IS NOT AS HARD AS LIKE THE HYDRO COWS IN THE CASTING PLASTER THAT'S USED TODAY. ANYWAYS, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IF I MADE HER MOLD, IT'D BE ABOUT $15,000. AND THAT'S IF I HAD THE PATIENTS, WHICH I HAVEN'T DONE IN YEARS, BUT I'M, THERE'S ABOUT FOUR PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT EVEN COULD MAKE THE MOLD. SO I'M ONE OF 'EM, BUT I, THERE, I WOULDN'T TOUCH HERS BECAUSE, UM, I, I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF PATIENCE ANYMORE. BUT I'M GONNA RE RECOMMEND HER TO SOMEBODY ELSE. UM, AND IF YOU CAN, SHE CAN COMPROMISE OR HOWEVER I CAN HELP YOU IN THE FUTURE, LET ME KNOW. BUT ANYWAYS, THIS IS, UH, YOU BRUSH ON THE RUBBER, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ENOUGH . SO WITH THAT, THAT'S WHY, UM, THEY CAN'T BE REUSED. I MEAN IT WOULD BE, WE WOULD GET SUED WHEN THEY FALL AND KILL SOMEBODY. SO I'M NOT WILLING TO RISK THAT. UM, I ALSO WANTED TO BRING TO ATTENTION, THERE ARE TWO OTHER HOMES ON THE SAME STREET ON BURLESON, EXACTLY THE SAME FLOOR PLAN. THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN THE STANDARD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ME SEEMS TO BE SIX BY SIX POSTS [02:05:01] ARE WHAT IS USUALLY APPROVED WHEN COLUMNS ARE NO LONGER, YOU KNOW, UM, OR WHEN THEY'RE ROTTED. AND WHEN THEY'RE DETERIORATED. NOW, FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, A LOT OF THESE HOUSES DIDN'T HAVE, LIKE MAYBE IN THE FIFTIES, THEY, THEY WERE CHANGED OUT TO THE, UM, THE METAL, UM, WHAT THE IRON SCROLL POSTS. THEREFORE I WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS BECAUSE IT ONLY GOES BACK SO FAR ON GOOGLE. UM, THIS IS ONE OF THIS HOUSE IS VERY UNIQUE, WAS JUST WHY ONE OF THE REASONS I REALLY LOVE THE HOUSE BECAUSE THESE COLUMNS REALLY KIND OF MAKE THE FRONT PORCH. SO OF COURSE I WANNA RETURN THE COLUMNS. IT'S JUST THAT THE CAPITALS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE FOR US TO HAVE SOME CAPITALS REMADE AND SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. UM, THE HOUSE WAS IN SUCH DISREPAIR, THIS IS GOING TO BE A BRAND NEW HOUSE. THERE'S NOT ANYTHING ON THIS HOUSE THAT WE CAN GET AWAY WITH. SAVING FROM THE FOUNDATION TO THE ROOF, TO THE ELECTRICAL, TO THE PLUMBING, TO THE SHEET ROCK. I MEAN, YOU NAME IT, THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE A BRAND NEW HOUSE. AND AT ONE POINT AS A REALTOR THAT BECO LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT YOU'VE GOTTA CUT SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I'M GONNA BE WHAT I NEED TO SELL THIS HOUSE FOR. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO SELL THE HOUSE FOR, BECAUSE IT'S SO EXPENSIVE TO REMODEL THIS HOME. SO ADDING, YOU KNOW, ROMAN CORINTHIAN CAPITALS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PRETTY MUCH ON ONE STORY HOMES, NO ONE'S HAD TO DO IT IN THE PAST. I, I JUST FEEL LIKE IS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I ALSO WANTED TO SHOW THE OTHER TWO HOMES IF I COULD THAT HAD THE CAPITALS REMOVED OR THE, THE COLUMNS REMOVED. ONE IS WHAT ADDRESS, WHAT ADDRESS THIS IS. I DON'T, I'M SORRY. THIS IS, UM, IT'S THREE HOUSES DOWN. I I, YEAH, IF YOU GO DOWN THIS WAY, IT'S RIGHT THERE. SO THAT HOUSE IS IDENTICAL. UM, I DID GO BACK AND FIND, LIKE I SAID, THE UM, IRON SCROLL POSTS. I COULD NOT FIND WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE THAT, SO I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T GO BACK AND FIND IT PRIOR TO THAT. BUT THIS HOUSE IS IDENTICAL SAME, SAME HOME. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S THE IRON SCROLL. YOU CAN SEE IT WAS APPROVED TO GET SIX BY SIX, UM, POSTS. UM, THIS OTHER HOME IS, I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE 17 BURLESON IN 2019. THIS HOME WAS REMODELED. THIS NEXT PICTURE, IT WAS REMODELED AND YOU CAN SEE THE HALF COLUMN STILL ON THE HOME. IT'S RIGHT HERE. THIS ONE, YEAH, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT ONE, IT'S EITHER FIVE 15 OR FIVE 17 BURLESON IDENTICAL HOME. IT HAD THE SAME COLUMNS. AND YOU CAN SEE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE 2019 PICTURE WHEN THEY'RE REMODELING IT, IT DID HAVE THAT HALF COLUMN THERE ON THE HOUSE AND IT WAS REMOVED AT ONE POINT. YOU CAN SEE HERE I HAVE IT CIRCLED THAT IT WAS THERE AND ONCE AGAIN REPLACED WITH SIX BY SIX COLUMNS, WHICH I SAID IS KIND OF THE STANDARD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, I DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY DAY. I LIVE ON THE STREET. UM, I WANNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I DON'T WANNA PUT SIX BY SIX COLUMNS UP, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SO BASIC. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TO PUT THESE FLUIDED COLUMNS UP. IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT SALES, YOU KNOW, POINT TO HAVE THEM. UM, THE OTHER, I MEAN, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT PICTURE I WANNA SHOW IS 7 32 NORTH OLIVE, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT WAS MR. DIGNA, DR. DIGNA WHIT'S SON'S HOME. THAT HOME ORIGINALLY HAD ROMAN CORINTHIAN SAME TYPE CAPITALS. UM, AND THEY WERE REMOVED AND, AND I HAVE LIKE ALL THE ITERATIONS, LIKE THIS IS HOW IT LOOKED ORIGINALLY. AND THEN A COUPLE YEARS AFTER THAT, THEY WERE REMODELING IT A FEW YEARS BACK, 10 ISH SHE YEARS AGO. AND THEY REMOVED ALL THE COLUMNS. AND THEN TODAY IT HAS SIX BY SIX, ABOUT 10 OF 'EM, TEN SIX BY SIX COLUMNS. THAT'S, AND THAT'S TO ME THE MOST HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S THE DITY HOUSE. UM, SO IT WAS MODIFIED AROUND 2010 FROM WHAT I'M ABLE TO, TO, TO FIND OUT. AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION IS WHY THAT REALLY, REALLY HISTORICALLY [02:10:01] SIGNIFICANT HOUSE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE MODIFIED WITHOUT THE ORIGINAL ROMAN CORINTHIAN COLUMNS. AND IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE PARK. I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE, IF YOU LOOK UP DIG WOODY HILL, HISTORIC DISTRICT, EVERY SINGLE PICTURE YOU WILL FIND ONLINE HAS THAT HOUSE IN ITS NEW STATE WITH ALL TEN SIX BY SIX POSTS. IN ADDITION, I MEAN, I BROUGHT SOME OTHER PICTURES. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL NEED TO SEE 'EM OR NOT, OR IF IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I JUST KIND OF LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE CONDITION OF DIGNITY HILL. I WAS HERE BEFORE AND I TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FASCINATING TO ME. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UM, I'M JUST A SMALL BUSINESS. SO WE'RE JUST SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND HOUSE I'VE EVER FLIPPED. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS BEAUTIFUL AS ALL THE OTHER HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. I MEAN, I I I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT I THINK TO KNOW THAT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THERE'S A LOT OF DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES AND THERE'S A LOT OF NEGLECTED PROPERTIES AND PEOPLE LIKE OURSELVES COME ALONG AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE IT NICE. WE WANNA MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL, WE WANNA MAKE IT PRETTY. AND I FEEL LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE ONES KIND OF LIKE GETTING, YOU KNOW, IN TROUBLE WHEN I HAVE PICTURES OF HOUSES THAT THIS ONE HOUSE, 3 26 SHERMAN IS AN OCCUPIED HOME THAT THE PERSON LIVES IN. IT BOARDED UP SO THAT HER TAXES ARE NOT RAISED. IT'S GOT A BROKEN WINDOW, IT'S GOT BOARDED UP WINDOWS, AND THIS IS IN HISTORIC DIGNITY HILL. MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ONE. YES, PLEASE. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNA WITTY HILL, HIS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 1 4, LOCATED AT 8 25 BURLESON STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF APPROVAL OF REPLACING THE ROOF MATERIAL ON THE ENTIRE HOUSE WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES AS SEEN ON GOOGLE MAPS, THE EXISTING STANDING SEAM METAL MATERIAL LOOKS TO BE EXTREMELY OLD DUE TO THE PATINA, WHICH MEANS IT'S BEEN THERE FOR DECADES MAKING IT POSSIBLY HISTORICALLY ORIGINAL DUE TO THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE ROOF. IT SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH A STANDING SEAM GAL BALLOON METAL ROOF. TO BE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. THE PILLERS COLUMNS AND CAPITALS WERE BEAUTIFUL AND HISTORICAL AND WERE ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE. THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, ESPECIALLY THE CAPITAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS ON THE VOICEMAIL? O UM, I THINK STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT WE COULD DO COMPOSITION, SO I GUESS, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE IS NOT, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. BUT, UM, SAME THING WITH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER HOMES. THERE'S, I PERSONALLY LOVE A METAL ROOF. I CHANGE MY ROOF TO METAL BECAUSE TO ME IT LOOKS MORE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, BUT ONCE AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY THAT WE'VE HAD TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE THING, IF WE CAN SAVE $10,000 AND DO COMPOSITION, YOU KNOW, WE'D APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND YEAH, AND DO THE METAL ROOF ON THE PORCH LIKE STAFF RECOMMENDS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR. QUESTIONS? QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? YES. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST QUICKLY WALK THROUGH WHAT THE SOLUTION IS WITH THE COLUMNS? WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DOING? YES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THIS DRAWING. SO, UM, THE SOLUTION IS WE KEEP THE ORIGINAL WOOD FLUTED COLUMN. THE THREE, WE CAP A SQUARE CAP ON THE TOP, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ABOUT FIVE INCHES, WHICH IS VERY COMMON. LIKE EVEN THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE HAS A FIVE INCH CAP ON THE TOP, AND THEN THE BOTTOM ENDS UP BEING 16 INCHES. SO A 16 INCH BLOCK ON THE BOTTOM AND IN BETWEEN WE'RE MAKING THAT UP WITH THAT FOURTH HALF, IT'S A HALF COLUMN ACTUALLY, THAT WOULD BE ON THE HOME. UM, SO WE JUST RETURN THREE COMPLETE COLUMNS, MAKING IT UP TO, YOU KNOW, HELP THAT. SO IT'S, LOOKS MORE, YOU KNOW, LOOKS TALLER AND WE DON'T HAVE SO MUCH CAPPING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE SOLUTION. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, THE CONDITION OF THE CAPITALS, THE CORINTHIAN CAPITALS IS QUESTIONABLE. UM, DID YOU EXPLORE, UH, REPLACEMENT CORINTHIAN [02:15:01] CAPITALS? I DID. UH, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT MAKE FIBERGLASS. THEY MAKE PLASTER, THEY MAKE WOOD. YES. UH, DID YOU EXPLORE, UH, FINDING A REPLACEMENT THAT CLOSELY MATCHED THOSE CAPITALS? YES, THERE ARE ABOUT $1,500 PER CAPITAL. THERE'S A PLACE IN DALLAS THAT DOES MAKE THEM, THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS FOR A COUPLE MONTHS. THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES IN SAN ANTONIO THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT MADE THEM, BUT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO MAKE THESE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE LITTLE INTRICATE DETAILS OF THE LEAFING AND ALL OF THAT. SO I DID FIND A PLACE, AND THAT'S ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY COST, ABOUT $1,500 PER CAPITAL. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? YEAH. COMMISSIONER GROUP, THE CAPS, WHY ARE THEY SQUA? NOT ROUND. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT WHAT'S BEEN DONE. UM, BUT WHEN YOU REFER TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, THEY HAVE SQUARE COLUMNS. YOU'RE RIGHT. COLUMNS WITH SQUARE CAPS. I'M COMPLETELY OPEN TO THAT. I, YEAH, I, I WOULD AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S GONNA BE A COST AND WE'RE GONNA, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA PROCEED WITH THAT, BUT I MEAN, I THINK AT LEAST, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF STAFF HAD, UM, STIPULATED THAT IT WOULD BE HAVE TO BE ROUND OR NOT SQUARE OR, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW FROM, NOT ON THE BOTTOM, BUT IT SPECIFICALLY ON THE, ON THE TOP PART. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAY FOR STRUCTURALLY AND YEAH. SIMPLE CAPS THAT ARE MORE LIKE FOR THAT TYPE OF COLUMN, NOT, NOT SO DECORATIVE. MAYBE THAT COULD BE A TYPE OF REPLACEMENT. YOU'RE JUST SAYING JUST PURCHASE A ROUND CAP, RIGHT. A ROUND FINISHED AND MIGHT END UP, WELL, THAT'S AN OPTION, EXCEPT THAT IT WOULDN'T, SORRY, MY COMMISSIONER HERE NEXT TO ME ACTUALLY HAD A PICTURE OF IT. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD NECESSARILY BE THE HEIGHT THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING SQUARE, BECAUSE YOU COULD MAKE, OKAY. AND THEN THAT WAS GONNA BE MY OTHER QUESTION. SO 16 INCHES, RIGHT? IS THAT ON THE BOTTOM? THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE REUSING EVERYTHING. YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO. AND THEN HOW ABOUT GETTING, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PLACES HERE IN SAN ANTONIO IT IS MAYBE EASIER TO FIND MORE COLUMNS THAN THE CAPS. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN EXTEND THE COLUMNS SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT 16 EACH 16 EACH TO FIND NEW COLUMNS OR EVEN PIECES? OH, THESE COLUMNS, BECAUSE THEY'RE 12 INCHES IN DIAMETER, YOU CAN'T FIND THEM. MOST OF THE COLUMNS, LIKE PICKER'S PARADISE, WHO HAS ALL THE COLUMNS, HE DOESN'T HAVE 'EM. AND THEY'RE FLUIDED AND THEY'RE 12 INCHES. SO THEY'RE REALLY LARGE. TYPICALLY THEY'RE ABOUT EIGHT INCHES AND THEY'RE SMOOTH. THEY HAVE, YOU CAN FIND A LOT OF THOSE. BUT YEAH, THESE COLUMNS, I HAVEN'T SEEN 'EM ANYWHERE. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? I'LL MAKE A, I'LL MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DIVE INTO OUR, UM, WAIT ONE MOMENT. ONE QUESTION FROM QUESTION REGARDING THE, UH, ROOF, UM, STAFF. DOES THE, UM, WHY, WHY KEEP THE METAL ON THE ROOF? IT WAS ON THE SANDBORN MAP. UM, IT'S A FAIRLY COMMON CONFIGURATION TO HAVE THE PRIMARY MASS BE, UH, SHINGLE AND THEN HAVE METAL OVER THE ROOF. SO THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMENDED BASED ON OKAY. HISTORIC RESOURCE. OKAY. AND THE SMALLER GABLE ROOF, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THE PORCH, THAT WOULD ALSO BE COMP SHINGLE? YES, I BELIEVE SO. IT WAS JUST THE, THE FLAT ROOF PORTION THAT, UH, OH, I WAS THINKING IT WAS THE PORCH. OKAY. I MISUNDERSTOOD. THE FLAT PORTION RETAINS THE METAL. YES, BUT NOT THE PORCH COVERING, YOU'RE SAYING THE, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S A FLAT PORTION IN FRONT OF THE GABLE AS WELL. YES, YES. SO THAT WOULD BE METAL AS WELL. SO ANY SORT OF LIKE HORIZONTAL PORTION OF ROOF. OKAY. AND MAY WE ASSUME THAT THE COMP SHINGLE IS AN ARCHITECTURAL PROFILE AND NOT A THREE TAB? CORRECT. THROUGH A THREE DIMENSIONAL, I THINK IS WHAT IT'S CALLED. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. WE HAVE A SECOND. YEAH, I'LL SECOND. SECOND. WHICH MEANS ONLY APPROVING THE ROOF AND NOTHING ELSE, JUST TO CLARIFY. YES. YES. BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS PIECE HERE, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE COLUMNS, BECAUSE NOT, I, INCLUDING THE COLUMNS AS PRESENTED DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM EITHER. A, A COLUMN FOLLOWS A PARTICULAR ORDER. SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A MATH ASSOCIATED WITH A COLUMN. NONE OF US ARE IN CHARGE OF IT. THE COLUMN IS, SO YOU SEE HOUSES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO SAVE THE COLUMN AND THEY'VE BUILT THESE BOXES ON THE BOTTOM AND [02:20:01] THESE BOXES ON THE TOP, AND THEY LOOK WEIRD BECAUSE THOSE BOXES, THEY'RE NOT PROPER, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . AND SO FAR AS A BUILDING CAN BE PROPER. SO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WOULD ONLY CONTINUE THIS REALLY KIND OF INAPPROPRIATE SOLUTION FOR HAVING ROTTED COLUMNS OUT. RIGHT? OKAY. NOW, NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T, UH, THAT THERE'S NOT A SOLUTION. SO WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VERY SLEEK, UH, EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE THAT THAT YOU DON'T LIKE, THAT IS THE PRISTINE. IF YOU, IF STAFF COULD PUT UP THAT YELLOW BUILDING WITH THE WHITE FOUR BY FOURS OR SIX BY SIXES, WHATEVER THEY ARE. UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE REASON THAT THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE IS BECAUSE IT ABSTRACTS WHAT WAS THERE. IT'S NOT TRYING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IT'S NEVER GONNA BE RIGHT. UNLESS YOU FIND THAT, UH, $3,600 A PIECE, UH, CAPITALS, AND THEN THE $1,800 COLUMNS, RIGHT? TIMES THREE, RIGHT? YEAH. SO COST IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR DOMAIN, RIGHT? BUT TO APPROVE IT WITH THE, TO APPROVE IT WITHOUT THE STIPULATION, UH, KINDA LEAVES IT OPEN FOR YOU TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE SMARTEST THING TO DO BECAUSE YOU'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT NO ONE SHOULD DO, RIGHT? I, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS HERE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, BUT, UM, IN A WAY, THE ABSTRACT MORE SIMPLE, LESS EXPENSIVE, HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT, IF IT'S DONE CLEANLY, DONE RIGHT, IT WOULD GIVE YOU THE BEST END RESULT. NOW, THE MOTION IS FOR YOU TO KEEP THOSE, UH, CORINTHIAN COLUMNS AND THE COLUMN AS, AS IT IS IN THE WIDTH. SO THERE'S THE POTENTIAL THAT, UH, A COMMISSIONER AMENDS THE, THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT, OR EVEN I AMEND MY OWN MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT. BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF GUIDANCE. OKAY? OKAY. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GRU, I AGREE THAT THE SOLUTION PRESENTER WAS NEVER THE BEST SOLUTION. AND, AND MAYBE THIS GIVES THE APPLICANT INSTEAD OF, UM, UH, THE MOTION APPROVING IS JUST APPROVING ITEM ONE, WHICH IS A ROOF, AND THEN ASKING YOU TO, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR CONTINUANCE ON ITEM NUMBER TWO AND THEN COME BACK WITH ANOTHER SOLUTION. BECAUSE I THINK THAT KEEPS IT OPEN FOR YOU TO COME BACK. UM, I MEAN, WHETHER, BOTH OPTIONS DO WORK, BUT I DO AGREE THAT WHAT WAS PRESENTED, AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST PLACE TO DECIDE WHAT SHOULD BE. UM, BUT THAT GIVES YOU MAYBE THE OPTIONS TO COME BACK WITH, OKAY, I FOUND NOW THIS COLUMN, OR YOU GO BACK TO THE OPTIONS OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ASK. SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IF WE CAME BACK, PLEASE, I'M SORRY, KEITH MORGAN, I'M HALF OWNER OF THE HOUSE. UM, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IF WE JUST CAME BACK AND SAID WE'RE JUST GONNA DO SIX BY SIX POSTS, YOU WOULD, THAT WOULD BE OKAY WITH LIKE THE REST OF THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE HOUSE AS BEAUTIFUL AS POSSIBLE. BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE THE POSTS ARE SO OLD AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LOOK CORRECT IF WE PUT BLOCKS ON TOP TOPS AND BOTTOM, YOU'RE SAYING, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IF WE JUST DO SQUARE SIX BY SIX POSTS AS OTHER HOMES, THAT WOULD BE OKAY? I THINK HIS POINT WAS THAT BY PUTTING THE SQUARES TO THESE ORIGINAL, YOU'RE WE'RE LOSING WHAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY. RIGHT. OKAY. SO BETTER THAN GOING HALFWAY ORIGINALLY, LET'S GO BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY MATCHES HOUSE. YOU HAVE JUSTIFIED TO US THAT YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T FIND THEM ANYWHERE. NOBODY WILL MAKE IT FOR YOU. LIKE BASED ON THAT YOU CAN COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, I MEAN WE CAN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE, OR IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. I CAN WELL, I MEAN, YOU COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT, OKAY, WELL, I GUESS WE'RE JUST, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU'VE SEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A LOT OF THESE BE GONE. I WOULD STILL RATHER HAVE YOU RESEARCH AND SEE IF THERE'S AN, YOU ARE ABLE TO FIND EVEN A FOAM VERSION OF WE HAVE, THEY'RE TOO EXPENSIVE. UM, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE TIME IS MONEY , AND IF WE COME BACK AND YOU SAY, WELL, WE DON'T LIKE THIS EITHER. WELL, I'M JUST ASKING FOR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. IS A SIX BY SIX POST GONNA BE APPROVED? WELL, MR. JINK THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD DISCUSS IT LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW. YEAH. AND I CAN'T SAY WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD VOTE ON FOR THAT. UH, ONE SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE, UH, ITEM ONE, WHICH IS THE ROOF, AND THEN POSSIBLY HAVE A DRC, WHICH IS A MORE, UH, WHERE WE COULD HAVE A LENGTHIER DISCUSSION, MORE INFORMAL. UH, YOU SHOW US YOUR RESEARCH ON THE, ON THE, THE COST OF REPLACEMENT, UH, AND, UH, PROCEED THAT WAY AND LEAVE THE COLUMNS TO ANOTHER DAY. MI, MR. CHAIR, I, WELL, I'LL YIELD TO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN COME BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I MAY BE THE ODD, ODD ONE OUT, BUT LOOKING AT THE PHOTO HERE, I THINK THE [02:25:01] CORINTHIAN COLUMNS, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT BE COMMON IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ANYMORE, ACTUALLY MAKE THE CURB APPEAL OF THIS HOUSE. ALL OF THE OTHER CHARACTER DEFINING DETAILS ARE INTACT. THE WINDOW TRIMS, THE SHAKE SHINGLE PATTERN ON THE GABLES ON EVEN THE LITTLE TINY FRONT GABLE, UM, THE MUS AND THE WINDOWS. THERE'S JUST SO MUCH THAT'S STILL THERE THAT ONE COULD WORK FROM. UM, I WOULD, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AND EVEN WORK WITH STAFF AND ANYBODY ELSE IN THE DEPARTMENT TO FIND A SOURCE FOR TWO OF THE COLUMNS. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED, RIGHT? TWO OF THEM ARE INTACT, OR TWO OF THE, THE CAPITALS ARE INTACT. UM, IT'S CRUMBLING. THEY'RE GONNA FALL APART. WELL, THEY'RE GONNA FALL DOWN AND HIT SOMEBODY AND KILL SOMEBODY. THEY, THEY LITERALLY, I SPOKE TO THE PREVIOUS OWNERS, THEY FELL. BUT YOU'RE HERE TO PUT THIS ALL BACK TO INTO PLACE. YOU KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS HAD BEEN NEGLECTED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON THAT THINGS ARE FALLING APART. BUT I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THOSE BECAUSE THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MARKETING OF THIS, AND YOU WANT TO GET WHAT YOU WANT, UM, ON THE RESALE. I THINK THE CAPITALS AND THOSE COLUMNS ACTUALLY MAKE A STRONG ARGUMENT FOR DECENT PRICING. SO, YOU KNOW WHAT? THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. A HUNDRED PERCENT. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL, RIGHT? MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? DOES, WHY DOES THAT HOME NOT HAVE ROMAN CORINTHIAN CAPITALS? THE CAPITALS THAT WERE ON THERE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO WERE NOT ORIGINAL. THE ORIGINAL PORCH TO THE, UH, IS IT EDWARD DITY? UH, THE SUN COLONEL? OH, IT WAS ACTUALLY A FULL PORCH ACROSS THE TOP AND WAS MUCH MORE SIMPLE. THE COLUMNS THAT ARE THERE NOW, AND THE CORNICE THAT'S BUILT WAS DETERMINED FROM THE SHADOWING AND OTHER EL UM, OTHER EVIDENCE THAT WAS HISTORIC EVIDENCE THAT WAS FOUND. BUT THAT PORCH WAS NOT ORIGINALLY THAT CORINTH COLUMN LITTLE THING OVER THE ENTRYWAY. WHAT'S THERE NOW IS MORE ACCURATE. THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE, THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF, BECAUSE OF THE FOUNDATION AND THE, THE COLUMNS HAVE TO BE LONGER. NOW, IF, IF WE COULD SOMEHOW JUST SNAP OUR FINGERS AND MAKE PERFECT CAPITALS AGAIN, PERFECT CORINTHIAN CAPITALS, THERE'S, IT'S GONNA BE TOO SHORT. I THINK WHAT WAS MISSING FROM THIS PHOTO, IF WE COULD ZOOM IN, IS A TRUE BASE ON THE BOTTOM OF THOSE COLUMNS, AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BEHOOVE JUST THE OVERALL ORDER TO HAVE A SQUARE BASE AT THE BOTTOM UNDERNEATH. IN ADDITION, UM, THERE ARE WAYS TO ALTER AND ADD A FEW INCHES HERE AND THERE. THE WAY IT'S SITTING ON THE CONCRETE IN THE ORIGINAL PHOTO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT EITHER. MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU GO FOR WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING. YES. THE, THE REASON WHY I MADE THE MOTION, THE WAY I MADE IT WAS IN THE, FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF FORCING THE APPLICANT INTO THE SIMPLEST ALTERATION POSSIBLE, WHICH MEANS THAT IF YOU TOOK THE COLUMN OFF, YOU'VE HA YOU'D HAVE TO HOLD IT UP WITH SOMETHING, RIGHT? THAT PICTURE THAT I ASKED STAFF TO PUT UP OF THAT OTHER HOUSE THAT, THAT, THAT THEY DON'T WANNA DO, BUT THAT IS VERY WELL DONE. THE YELLOW HOUSE, NOT THAT ONE. THE, THE, THE ONE THAT'S LIKE THEIR HOUSE, FIVE 17, BUT IT'S YELLOW. I BELIEVE IT'S OR FIVE 15 THAT IT CREATES A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT'S REVERSIBLE. NOT THAT ONE. THIS ONE. IT, IT CREATES A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT'S REVERSIBLE. SO THAT MEANS THAT SOMEBODY CAN GO BACK AT ANY TIME AND PUT THE COLUMN BACK, AND THEY DIDN'T LEAD THE DESIGN IN A DIRECTION THAT GIVES IT A NEW CHARACTER. THIS ACTUALLY IS A MINUS IN CHARACTER, BUT IT'S SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR PROJECT. THEY CAN FINISH THEIR PROJECT AND THEN ANSWER THE QUESTION OF CORINTHIAN, BECAUSE THERE ARE SITE, THERE ARE PLACES THAT MAKE FIBERGLASS, ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOLUTIONS FOR ALL THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT SHORT OF US FORCING THAT, THAT THEY CAN GO TO THE SIMPLEST ABSTRACTED, THEY CAN BE SPECIFIED IN THE MOTION AS AN AMENDMENT, AND THEN THEY CAN BE GIVEN THE DIRECTION TO DO THIS INSTEAD OF DOING WHAT THEY WANNA DO, WHICH IS KIND OF A, I MEAN, SOMEBODY DRIVES BY, THEY LOOK AT IT AND THEY KNOW THAT THE PERSON DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING. NO OFFENSE. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? MR. CHAIR, I CALL A VOTE AND THEN WE CAN TALK DESIGN OPTIONS OF THE DRC SINCE THAT'S IN THE MOTION. YEAH. SO THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE NOW IS FOR, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. YES, SIR. AND, AND I WAS HOPING THAT IF, IF, IF, IF IT PLEASES THE COMMISSION, THAT I CAN AMEND MY MOTION TO USE THE PICTURE THAT'S ON THE, ON THE THING HERE, ON THE, ON THE VIDEO HERE TO SAY, [02:30:01] ADD THE OPTION OF THIS VERY SPECIFICATION HERE, AND STAFF CAN GUIDE THEM TOWARD THAT VERY DETAIL. SO YOU'RE AMENDING YOUR MOTION. AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THE OPTION. SECOND. DOES THE SECOND CONCUR THIS? YES. SECOND CONCURS. OKAY. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. I'M THOROUGHLY CONFUSED RIGHT NOW. SO YOUR MOTION YOUR'RE AMENDING YOUR OWN MOTION. OKAY. AND YOU'RE STATING WHAT EXACTLY, SO THAT, THAT THE ITEM TWO SHOULD, IT SHOULD, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION FROM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO THIS SPECIFICATION HERE OF A COLUMN DETAIL CONNECTION, THE WHOLE THING. AND THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION THEY HAVE. SORRY, THERE'S THREE ITEMS ON THIS. THERE'S A, THERE'S THREE REQUESTS IN THIS APPLICATION. ITEM ONE, TWO, AND THREE. ITEM TWO IS TO REMOVE THE HALF COLUMN. SO PLEASE READ THE APPLICATION FIRST AND THEN STATE WELL, IT WOULD BE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, REPLACING THE EXISTING STANDING C METAL ROOF WITH A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE, TWO, AND THREE. AND THEN STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, OF ITEM THREE, REMOVING ONE S ONE PILE LESTER ON THE FRONT PORCH WITH FINDINGS D THE PILE LESTER SHOULD BE RETURNED. OKAY. NOW THAT THEY WOULD BE, WE KEEP THAT, BUT THEY WOULD BE GIVEN THAT OPTION THAT WAS ON THE WINDOW HERE. AND THEN STEPH DOES NOT RECOMMEND ITEM TWO MODIFYING EXISTING CORINTHIAN COLUMNS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE SHORT OF THEM SELECTING TO DO WHAT WAS ON THE SCREEN OVER HERE, AND THE DETAILS THAT WERE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN WOULD BE THEIR ONLY OPTION. SO THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPTION OUTSIDE OF WAITING TO FIND CORINTHIA COSS, BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE WAITING TILL THE COWS COME HOME FOR THAT. SO YOU ARE ANY MOTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF REMOVING THE FOURTH HALF? THAT'S CURRENTLY A HALF COLUMN UP AGAINST THE WALL? MM-HMM, . AND THEN, YEAH, BEING ABLE TO DO THREE COLUMNS, EITHER REBUILDING OR THE OPTION THAT YOU HAVE THERE, THE OPTION THAT'S THERE AND THAT YOU FIND A WAY TO SAVE YOUR CORINTHIAN COLUMNS AND, OKAY, WE HAVE AN, AN AMENDED STAFF FOR CARE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'M JUST GONNA SAY I WON'T APP. I WANNA, UM, BE, FEEL COMFORTABLE, UH, WITH THE MOTION. I, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THE, UH, APPLICATION ITEM ONE AND THREE, BUT JUST AN ITEM TWO. THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE RIGHT NOW ARE VIEWING DOESN'T HAVE LIKE A FRONT PORCH, LIKE THE STAIRS, LIKE THE ONE ON THE IMAGE. I THINK JUST BASING AN APPROVAL BASED ON AN IMAGE FOR THE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, THAT'S WHERE I FEEL, UM, UNCOMFORTABLE. I WOULD RATHER LEAVE THE OPTION NOT HAVING TO DESIGN IT FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT LEAVE THE OPTION FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH AN OPTION AFTER RESEARCHING. AND I'M GONNA AGREE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE TO THE APPLICANT OR ELSE TO, HOW MUCH RESEARCH HAVE YOU DONE? BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IN THAT, IN THAT AMENDMENT OR IN THAT, IN THAT COMMENT, WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO DO MORE RESEARCH, BUT YET NOT ALLOWING HIM TO PROGRESS ON THIS PROJECT. IS THAT, IS THAT WHERE, WHERE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS. I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS. WE CLOSED OCTOBER 31ST AND THEY STARTED MESSING WITH THE FOUNDATION A COUPLE WEEKS LATER. AND SINCE THOSE COLUMNS FELL, I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS. SO IT'S BEEN A COUPLE, A COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING IT. SO THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE TO COMMISSIONER GURU, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO? MY RESEARCH WAS NOT BASED ON THE ROOM, AND THAT WAS MORE LIKE WHAT YOU WANNA REPLACE IT WITH MORE THAT, I MEAN, I THINK I, I, I DIDN'T MAYBE NOT USE THE WORD RESEARCH THAN JUST TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION TO THAT HOME. COULD BE AROUND COLUMNS OR WHAT OTHER COLUMNS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SPECIFY OR DESIGN IT FOR THEM. SO THEN MY QUESTION, THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE THE STAFF. UM, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. IF YOU GIMME A MINUTE, SO IN, IN ORDER TO GET THEM MOVING ALONG, WOULD IT BE APPLICABLE OR ARE THEY ALLOWED TO PUT A, A, I DON'T WANNA SAY A WORD, TEMPORARY, BUT A TEMPORARY COLUMN SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE WITH THE REST OF THE PROJECT WHILE THEY LOOK TO A FINAL SOLUTION? WITH REGARDS TO THE, UH, CORINTHIAN, UH, UH, OPTION, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. UM, IN ADDITION, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT THIS HOUSE NEEDS TO GO ON THE MARKET. WE CAN'T LIKE STRING IT OUT BECAUSE TIME IS MONEY WHEN IT COMES TO REAL ESTATE. SO I, I'M HOPING WE CAN COME TO A SOLUTION, EVEN IF IT MEANS SIX BY SIX, WHICH IS, IN MY OPINION, BORING. BUT THAT'S DONE ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SIX BY SIX COLUMNS. WHEN, WHEN WOULD THIS NEXT MEETING BE? IF WE CAME UP WITH SOME OTHER COLUMNS TO SHOW YOU? WHEN WOULD THAT BE? FEBRUARY 7TH? IT WOULD BE THE FIRST, UM, WEDNESDAY AND FEBRUARY. SO THE NEXT MEETING, MEETING FEBRUARY 7TH IS THE DATE. SO THREE WEEKS, MR. CHAIR? YES. [02:35:01] ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO JUST AGAIN FOR CLARITY, YOU, THE COLUMNS ARE SALVAGEABLE, THE CAPITALS ARE NOT SALVAGEABLE, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE CAPITALS WITH, YES, WITH RECONSTRUCTION SOMEWHAT TO THE COLUMNS. AND I MEAN, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY JUST TO GET THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES, THE FLUTED COLUMNS, YOU KNOW, UP TO PAR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXTEND THEM. SO THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK INVOLVED, BUT THEY ARE SALVAGEABLE. BUT THE, IT'S THE CAPITALS THAT ARE NOT SALVAGEABLE AT ALL. N NONE OF THEM. I MEAN, ARE THEY INTACT? YES. BUT WILL THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CRUMBLING DUE TO THE AGE. THEY'RE 120 YEARS OLD. SO IF WE WERE TO PUT IN, THEY'RE VERY, VERY HEAVY. IF WE WERE TO PUT THESE BACK UP, LIKE THE OTHER ONES THAT FELL 10 PLUS YEARS AGO, THEY WILL FALL. AND I DON'T WANNA GET SUED WHEN, YOU KNOW, I SELL THE HOUSE AND IT FALLS ON SOMEBODY'S HEAD. AND YOU'VE LOOKED INTO CORINTHIAN CAPITALS, YOU LOOKED INTO TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES. THEY'RE, THEY'RE MADE OUT OF LIKE A FIBERGLASS AND THEY'RE ABOUT $1,500 EACH. OKAY. I, OKAY, THANKS. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SO, UM, I'LL CONTINUE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSION LEFT OFF. SO IF HE, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS, AND WHEN YOU SAY ABOUT THOSE COSTS, WE'RE SEEING SOME COSTS OUT THERE FOR ABOUT HALF OF WHAT YOU ARE MENTIONING THERE. AND SO IF THE COLUMNS ARE SALVAGEABLE AND THEY COULD BE MADE, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME ROMAN CORINTHIAN CAPITALS FOR ABOUT $672. ARE THEY, UM, 18 BY 22 OR BY 23? THIS MASSIVE SIZE OF THESE CAPITALS IS WHAT DRIVES UP THAT COST. THERE'S TONS. NOW IF YOU WANT US TO PUT A SMALL CAPITAL, YEAH, I CAN FIND SOME FOR $300. I FOUND THEM, BUT THEY'RE A HALF CAPITAL AND THEY'RE MUCH SHORTER AND MUCH SMALLER. AND THE ISSUE IS, WHAT'S SO UNIQUE ABOUT THIS HOUSE IS THAT THE DIAMETER OF THOSE COLUMNS, THEY'RE ENORMOUS, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS HOUSE. SO THEY WOULD, I I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THESE HUGE, THESE, UH, CAPITALS BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY BIG COLUMNS. OKAY. SO I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY THAT YOU CAN JUST BUY ONLINE THAT ARE THANK YOU. WE NEED TO MOVE ALONG HERE. YEAH, WE'VE GOT EIGHT OR 10 MORE CASES TO DEAL WITH. AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? NAY. NAY. WHICH IS THE MOTION? MY MOTION? IT'S YOUR AMENDED MOTION, WHICH GIVES THEM THE OPTION FOR THE SIX BY SIX POSTS. UH, THE POSTS. I DIDN'T SAY A SIZE. WHATEVER'S OR THE SQUARE. THE COLUMNS THAT ARE ON THE PHOTO THAT THE YELLOW YOU'RE REFERENCING. NAYYY SINO NAYYY VELAZQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY NAYYY. MOOKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. NAY CERVANTES. YES. HOLLAND. NAY AND FETZER NAY. MOTION FAILS. MAY I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? I'LL DO A MOTION. MR. CHAIR? YES, THE ORIGINAL MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM ONE. WELL, MOTION TO MOVE AS STAFF. RECOMMENDED. RECOMMENDED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. AND A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY. AYE. MOOKA. AYE. GIDA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. SO IF YOU'LL GET WITH STAFF AND IF YOU DO WANT TO COME TO A DRC WITH SOME OTHER OPTIONS BEFORE THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 26. ITEM 26 ON THE AGENDA, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 9 5 1 34 EAST MULBERRY AVENUE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH A DETACHED ONE STORY GARAGE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF A NEW DETACHED ONE STORY GARAGE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE. BASED ON FINDINGS, A THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT FURTHER EXPLORE RETENTION OR INCORPORATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE INTO THE PROPOSED PROJECT. SHOULD THE COMMISSION FIND THE CONDITIONS REQUIRED FOR APPROVAL OF DEMO DEMOLITION HAVE BEEN MET, STAFF [02:40:01] RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS FOR ITEM TWO, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DETACHED ONE STORY GARAGE. ONE THAT SALVAGE MATERIALS BE USED IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A ROOF FORM SUBORDINATE TO THAT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS NOTED IN FINDING F THREE, THAT ALL PEDESTRIAN DOORS ARE OF WOOD CONSTRUCTION. FOUR, THAT ALL GARAGE DOORS ARE WOOD OR WOOD LOOK. FIVE, THAT THE SOUTH ELEVATION FEATURES A DIVIDED GARAGE BAY CONFIGURATION. SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. SEVEN. THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY OF ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, CHARLES GONZALEZ AND JAMES MCKNIGHT HERE IN PERSON. UH, THERE'S ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT ON FILE AND NO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN YOU PUT THE, THE SLIDES UP THAT YOU HAD HAD? YEAH, START THERE. THAT'S FINE. GOOD. I WOULD SAY AFTERNOON. IT'S EVENING NOW. JAMES MCKNIGHT ORTIZ AND MCKNIGHT, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TODAY. UM, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OBVIOUSLY IS, IS A SIMPLE, UH, GARAGE, DEMOLITION AND THEN REPLACEMENT WITH A NEW GARAGE. AND AS STAFF HAD STATED IN AN EARLIER CASE, UH, REALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DEMOLITION OF A GARAGE, THAT'S, UM, YOU SEE AS A PATTERN IN THE AREA. THOSE ARE THE REALLY WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT, THAT IT WAS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, AND THAT THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THOSE GARAGES. THE GARAGE THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DEMOLISH HERE DOES NOT, IN MY OPINION, AND I WILL, UM, SUBMIT THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE IN AND OF ITSELF. SO WHAT WE'RE ARGUING TODAY IS NOT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, BUT THAT THERE IS A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT IS, IT'S SO DETERIORATED. UM, THE, THERE'S ROOF BEAMS INSIDE THAT HAVE BEEN LOST. UH, THERE'S WATER DAMAGE ALL AROUND THE WOOD SIDING ON ALL SIDES. YOU SEE, THERE'S INTERIOR PHOTOS SHOWING THAT THE, THE BEAMS HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TO ACTUALLY PUT IN NEW BEAMS JUST TO KEEP IT HELD UP, AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT IN THIS PHOTO HERE. SO THE LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE IS REALLY THAT DETERIORATION, THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE IS NO LONGER THERE. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT DOESN'T, AS, ISN'T AS IMPORTANT TO THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IN THIS CASE. SO THE COMMISSION DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO BALANCE THAT WITH THE NEW STRUCTURE. SO WE HAVE SUBMITTED PLANS, AND THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW STRUCTURE. AND THAT STRUCTURE HAS MANY CHARACTERISTICS THAT, THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THE HOME. THIS IS, UM, REQUESTING STUCCO INSTEAD OF THE BEAD BATTEN BOARD AND BATTEN THAT WAS ON THE, UH, PREVIOUS STRUCTURE. IT, UM, HAS A SIMILAR WINDOW, ONE OVER ONE WINDOW THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. IT HAS THE SIMILAR, UH, COMPOSITE ROOF SHINGLES AS THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND, UH, THE MASSING AND THE ORIENTATION, THE SETBACKS, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS ARE STILL CONSISTENT WITH EITHER THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE OR WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE AREA. THE FOOTPRINT FOOTPRINT FOR THE REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE IS THE SAME OR GENERALLY THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT. ALSO, UM, WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING WOOD DOORS FOR THE EXTERIOR OF THIS STRUCTURE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, GENERALLY THIS DOES COMPLY WITH THOSE PATTERNS, SO WE CAN STILL MAINTAIN THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR THE AREA AND MAINTAIN THE, THE, THE, UH, ALLEY SCAPE AS IT WERE WHEN IN THAT BACK ALLEY. UM, WE HAVE ALSO GONE TO, UH, REACHED OUT TO THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. THE LETTER OF SUPPORT IS FROM THE, UH, I GUESS HE'S THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE CHAIR, MR. RYAN REED. WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO TONY GARCIA, WHO IS, UH, VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND, UH, HE SAID THAT HIS COMMENTS WERE THAT IT BECAUSE IT WAS A SINGLE STORY AND DIDN'T GO TO TWO STORY, THAT, THAT HE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND BECAUSE THE FOOTPRINT WAS THE SAME AS THE FOOTPRINT, THAT HE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS WELL. SO HE, I DON'T BELIEVE SUBMITTED ANYTHING, BUT WE JUST SPOKE TO HIM BECAUSE HE, YOU KNOW, IS ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, SO AS FAR AS THE STIPULATIONS GO, AS STAFF SAID, IF THE COMMISSION DOES FIND THAT THE REPLACEMENT IS, UM, WORTHY OF APPROVAL, THE ONLY STIPULATION THAT WE, WE WOULD AGREE WITH ALL OF 'EM EXCEPT ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THAT'S THAT THE, THE GARAGE AND THE ALLEYWAY HAVE A DIVIDED BAY CONFIGURATION. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE ALLEY ITSELF. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THIS GARAGE NOW FROM THAT ALLEY AND HAVING A DIVIDED BAY, WHAT'S 11 FOOT PAVING JUST MAKES THAT TURN VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THE CARS IN AND OUT FOR MR. GONZALEZ AND HIS WIFE. SO THE PLANS AS THEY'RE DRAWN SHOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DIVIDED INTO FOUR SECTIONS, SO IT STILL GIVES THE IMPRESSION OF HAVING A DIVIDING LINE [02:45:01] AT THE CENTER OF THAT GARAGE, BUT DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAVE A COLUMN THERE. SO THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO PULL IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY INTO THAT ALLEY. UM, YOU KNOW, MR. GALEZ IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, AND THAT IS IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. QUESTION REGARDING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. WHAT IS THE PLATE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING GARAGE? THE, UH, IS THAT, IS IT EIGHT? IT'S LESS THAN EIGHT INCHES AND I DON'T KNOW, IT'S LESS EIGHT. MY NAME IS CHARLES GONZALEZ. UH, MY WIFE AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. ALL I KNOW IS THAT IT DOES NOT, UM, OBVIOUSLY COMPETE IN ANY WAY WITH THE MAIN BUILDING. IT'S NOT THAT TALL. UM, WHAT YOU SEE NOW IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE ELEVATION OF THE NEW BUILDING. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT ABOUT ANOTHER STORY. IT'S NOT ABOUT ADDING A LOT OF MORE SPACE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALBERT, UH, WITH A AND E CONSTRUCTION WHO'S A CONTRACTOR IS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE. AND UH, ALSO SOMEONE THAT WAS ASSISTING HIM, DAVID AGUILA, THEY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE SPECIFIC AS TO THE ACTUAL MEASUREMENT, BUT I KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T COMPETE. IT DOES NOT DISTRACT, IT MEETS ALL OF THE CRITERIA. OKAY. I'LL JUST, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, MY WIFE AND I, IS TO HAVE ACCESS TO PARKING, COVERED PARKING, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT IS ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE ALLEY. WE LIVE ON EAST MULBERRY AVENUE BETWEEN MAINE AND MCCULLOUGH. IT IS A THOROUGHFARE. THAT'S WHY. AND AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, YOU CANNOT ENTER, UH, OR EXIT WITHOUT SOMEONE STOPPING AND ALLOWING YOU. THE OTHER THING TOO IS THEY, THEY DO, THEY DO SPEED. SO EVEN WHEN YOU DO HAVE, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE BACKUP THAT REQUIRES SOMEONE TO LET YOU IN. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY'RE SPEEDING. AND IF YOU HAVE CARS PARKED, WHICH IS ALLOWED ON MULBERRY, THEN YOU HAVE AN ISSUE JUST SEEING THEM COMING. SO IT'S, IT'S SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THE DOUBLE DOORS WOULD REALLY COMPLICATE THINGS BECAUSE WE NEED A TURN IN RADIUS TO ENTER AND EXIT THAT DOUBLE CAR GARAGE. THIS IS ON THE ALLEY SIDE, BY THE WAY. I MEAN, IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S VISIBLE FROM MULBERRY OR BY ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS OTHER THAN THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS FROM US. UH, SO I HOPE, YOU KNOW, I CAN GET YOU THAT SPECIFIC, BUT IT IN NO WAY, UH, INTRUDES OR DISTRACTS OR COMPETES WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. MY SECOND QUESTION FROM MR. MCKNIGHT IS, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION, CAN YOU PROVIDE A GUESSTIMATE OF HOW MUCH OF THOSE MATERIALS ARE SALVAGEABLE? THAT IS HARD TO SAY IS NOT A HIGH PERCENTAGE. UH, I WOULD KNOW THAT WE HAVE AGREED, UM, MR. REED IS PART OF HIS LETTER OF SUPPORT SAID THAT TO TRY TO MAINTAIN OR KEEP THE WINDOWS IN AS MANY MATERIALS FROM THE INTERIOR AS POSSIBLE. AND WE SAID, YES, WE WILL, WE WILL KEEP AS MANY MATERIALS AS WE CAN, BUT THE INTERIOR OF THAT STRUCTURE SHOWS A LOT OF DETERIORATION. SO ALL WE CAN SAY IS THAT WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO SAVE EVERYTHING WE CAN. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, PHOTOS OR NO ADDRESSES WHERE A GARAGE OR OUTBUILDING, UH, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS STUCCO THAT MATCHES THE STUCCO OF THE MAIN HOUSE? UM, MY SENSE IS THAT MOST ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ARE, HAVE WOOD SIDING. RIGHT. AND, UH, WONDERING WHY YOU WENT WITH THE STUCCO? YEAH. UH, SO THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BLEND IN. UH, I MEAN, I, WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT ONE OF THE CRI, THE ONE PART OF THE CRITERIA OUT THERE IS THAT IT BLENDS WITH THE ARCHITECTURE AND OF COURSE THE MATERIALS OF THE PRINCIPLE BUILDING, WHICH IS STUCCO. UH, AND BE REAL HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COST DIFFERENCE IS, BUT IF , IF WOOD IS CHEAPER THAN THE STUCCO AND IT'S AGREEABLE, I MEAN, WHEN THEY OPPOSED DEMOLITION, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, THE THRESHOLD QUESTION, UH, I REALLY FELT THAT THAT WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO OVERCOME. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING NOW BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT THAT AS A MATTER OF COURSE, UH, THE OFFICE OF HISTORICAL PRESERVATION WILL GENERALLY OPPOSE IT. SO THAT WAS A BIG DEAL TO ME. IF YOU TELL ME I'VE GOT A CONDITION TO MEET, I NEED TO MEET THAT. AND THEN WE'RE GETTING INTO THE SPECIFICATIONS, UH, NOW THAT'S WHEN WE SPEND A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY AND A WHOLE LOT MORE PLANNING. AND WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, REED AND TONY AND OTHERS WITH THE, UH, ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE GIVEN A LOT OF GUIDANCE AND SUGGESTIONS, [02:50:01] UH, BECAUSE I'M VERY ACTIVE WITH THE ASSOCIATION, BUT I'M NOT REAL SURE. I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I, I'M NOT, I HAVEN'T NEVER LOOKED AT ALL THE GARAGES ALONG, BUT I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. AND, AND BECAUSE THANK YOU CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND, AND MONTE VISTA STILL HAS TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THIS AS WELL AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? NO QUESTIONS. MR. MR. HOLLAND? MR. MAKE A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, A MOTION DOWN HERE, WOULD YOU, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. I IS FOR CONCEPTUAL OR IS FOR FINAL? WELL, THE APPLICATION IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THE TION AND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE GARAGE DESIGN. YES. THE DEMO WILL BE FINAL AND THEN THE REPLACEMENT IS CONCEPTUAL. COME BACK. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, I, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. I'LL SECOND. CAN, CAN I JUST ASK MR. HOLLAND IF YOU'LL ADD THAT THE STIPULATION, SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS, WHICH IS ONE IS LIKE THE SALVAGE MATERIALS AND ALL THAT, JUST TO KEEP THE STIPULATIONS WITH SURE. WITH, WITH WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, INCLUDING, BUT I, BUT I WOULD, BUT I WOULD, UH, WHAT I WOULD DELETE, UH, NUMBER FIVE THAT THE SOUTH ELEVATION FEATURES THE DIVIDED GARAGE BAY. I WOULD, I WOULD DELETE THAT ONE, BUT WITH ALL OTHER STAFF STIPULATIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA? AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 27. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 26 ON THE AGENDA, HT RC CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 5 0 1, UM, 1 44 EAST GRAMMAR C PLACE THE APPLICANT REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. TWO ONE CONSTRUCT, ONE FULL HEIGHT CHIMNEY AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE TO CONSTRUCT ONE CHIMNEY EXTENDING FROM THE ROOF. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE. CONSTRUCTION OF A FULL HEIGHT CHIMNEY BASED ON FINDING B. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, CONSTRUCTION OF ONE CHIMNEY EXTENDING FROM THE ROOF BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT ANY BARREL TILES REMOVED DURING CONSTRUCTION BE SALVAGED AND RETAINED ON SITE. UM, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, LAWYER URBANO AND ERNESTO URBANO. YES. UM, ARE, I'M HERE. EXCELLENT. I'M, AND THEN, UM, THERE'S NO VOICEMAILS OR LETTERS FOR THIS ONE. YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YES. MY NAME IS ERNESTO URBANO, UH, WITH URBANO DESIGN AND BUILD. AND WE'RE THE GENERAL CONTRACTORS ON THE PROJECT, UH, WOULD LIKE TO PETITION THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER APPROVING BOTH ITEMS. UH, I KNOW STAFF RECOMMENDED ITEM NUMBER TWO TO BE APPROVED, BUT ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, WE FEEL HAS MERIT AND WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE OVERALL, UH, VALUE OF THE HOUSE. UM, THE, UM, POINTS IN QUESTION, UH, BEING THE TWO WINDOWS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND ONE DOOR. UH, WHILE THE WINDOWS ARE SEEM TO BE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, THE DOOR DOES NOT, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS, UH, AN ADD-ON WHEN THEY, UH, FILLED IN THAT AREA. THE INFILL, UH, STAFF HAS ALSO MENTIONED, UH, OR REFERENCED THE ROOM WHERE THE FIREPLACE WOULD BE BUILT AS A PORCH WHEN IT'S NOT, IT IS PART OF THE LIVING AREA AND WOULD, UH, PROVIDE, IT'S LIKE A STUDY THEN FOR THE PRESENT OWNERS, MR. AND MRS. UH, BARNES. UH, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, COMFORT AND ENJOYMENT TO THE ROOM, UH, BEING THAT IT'S A FIREPLACE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD AS HAVING BOTH THIS ONE AND THE ONE IN THEIR MASTER BEDROOM, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD WANT TO HAVE THE COMMISSION CONSIDER APPROVING BOTH, UH, FIREPLACES. UH, ANOTHER ITEM IS THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING FIREPLACE IN THE LIVING ROOM AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, AND WE WOULD KEEP THE SAME INTEGRITY OF THE SIGN AND THE, AND FINISHES, UH, ON THIS REAR FACING, UH, FIREPLACE, WHICH IS BY THE WAY, FACING TO THE REAR YARD. AND IT'S IN A LITTLE CORNER KIND OF OFFSET THERE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS HARDLY VISIBLE. UM, BUT WE WOULD, UH, CONSTRUCT A FIREPLACE IN THE SAME DESIGN OR SIMILAR [02:55:01] DESIGN AS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND USE THE SAME STONE AND THE SAME FINISHES. OKAY. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES, SURE. UM, WHAT, WHY, WHY WOULD WE NOT, OR WHY WOULD YOU NOT RECOMMEND A, A NEW FIREPLACE? THE FULL LENGTH DONE IN THE SAME STYLE TO THIS HOUSE? SO THE AREA WHERE THEY WANT TO INSTALL IT IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE. AND, UM, INSTALLING THAT FIREPLACE RESULTS IN LOSS OF THE HISTORIC FENESTRATION PATTERN AND ALSO OF THE LEGIBILITY OF THE, THE PORCH. SO THOUGH THE, THAT AREA OF THE HOUSE NOW OPERATES AS INTERIOR SPACE, IT HISTORICALLY WAS A PORCH. UM, SO THAT SORT OF ARCHED COLUMN AREA, UM, WOULD BE MASKED BY THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE CHIMNEY ON THE EXTERIOR. UH, SIR, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO ALL OF WHAT WE SEE ON THE IMAGE THERE? I MEAN, WELL, THE, THE CHIMNEY AND AND SIZE WOULD BE FOUR FEET, 10 INCHES, ALMOST FIVE FEET IN WIDTH. AND THAT WOULD GO UP TO A CERTAIN POINT TO WHERE IT, RIGHT BELOW THE WINDOWS IT WOULD, RIGHT NOW IT'S SHOWING IT ALL IN THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING AS, UH, CONTINUOUS ONE WIDTH. BUT IF WE DO IT THE WAY THE FRONT ONE IS AT THE FRONT OF THE, UH, HOUSE, IT NARROWS DOWN RIGHT ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR LEVEL AND IT GOES UP AND, AND GIVES IT, UH, IT GIVES IT CONTINUOUS, UH, DESIGN AND LOOK TO THE HOUSE WITH THE SAME PRODUCT, THE SAME, UH, MATERIALS ON STONE, UH, AS THE HOUSE HAS ORIGINALLY. SO I DON'T REALLY SEE A DETRIMENT TO THE DESIGN AND TO THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF THE HOUSE BEING THE LOCATION, THE SERVICE THAT THE FIREPLACE IS GONNA PROVIDE FOR THE OWNERS. AND, UH, THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES THERE IS REALLY NOT, UH, AN ORIGINAL DOOR TO THE HOUSE. YEAH. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY, OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIR? THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL DO A MOTION. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, THE PHOTO WE SEE HERE, MM-HMM. , UM, I CAN SEE SOME VALIDITY IN ALLOWING THE FULL HEIGHT CHIMNEY, HOWEVER, UH, THE DETAILING OF THAT CHIMNEY IN MY MIND WOULD NEED TO NOT MATCH THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. WOULD YOU CONSIDER KEEPING THE ARCHSTONE ON THE LOWER PORTION AND THE, UM, WIDTH AND THE, THE HEADER ON THE WINDOWS PUT IN A SINGLE WIDTH CHIMNEY? MM-HMM. TO, UH, WORK WITH YOUR FIREPLACES AND THEN THE INFILL YOU WOULD USE, UH, STUCCO LIKE THEY'VE DONE HERE WITH THE INFILL ON THE, UH, OLD COVERED PORCH? I, I DON'T REALLY SEE A PROBLEM AND TRY TO ADAPT THAT, UH, CONCEPT. UH, BASICALLY IT'S TO SHOW A FUTURE OWNER OR SOMEONE WHO'S LOOKING AT THE HOUSE THAT THIS CHIMNEY IS NOT ORIGINAL. MM-HMM. . AND IF THEY WANTED TO, THEY COULD REVERSE IT AND THEY'D HAVE THE, THE THAT, UM, ARCHED THE CUT ARCHSTONE. MM-HMM. AND, UH, THE WINDOW CONFIGURATION. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TO CENTER THAT CHIMNEY AND THAT ARCH AND WHATEVER IS TO THE LEFT OR TO THE RIGHT OF THE CHIMNEY TO KEEP THE SAME CONCEPT THAT'S THERE. YES. JUST AND DO THE SAME APPLICATION FOR THE RENTALS ABOVE. WONDERING IF THE OWNER WOULD CONSIDER THAT? YEAH. UH, I DON'T REALLY FORESEE A PROBLEM IN THE OWNER CONSIDERING THAT. SO IF THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION, UH, I THINK WE CAN GO WITH IT. OKAY. WELL, LET'S HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE COMMISSION OR COMMISSIONER. GROOVY. YOU WERE GONNA MAKE A MOTION. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT OR WOULD THE OWNER BE ALSO AMENABLE TO KEEPING SALVAGING THE WINDOW AND KEEPING IT ON SITE? UM, I WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS THAT WITH HER, BUT, UH, I, I THINK THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF REVERSAL. MM-HMM. , SO LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY. THE CHIMNEY UP BY THE WINDOWS, YOU STILL WANT TO KEEP THE SPACE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CHIMNEY, AS WITH THE SAME DETAIL AROUND THE WINDOW AS, UH, AROUND THE WINDOW WITH THE STUCCO, THE STUCCO INFILL AND THE STUCCO IN THERE. INFILL. AND THAT WAY IF SOMEONE IN THE FUTURE, A NEW [03:00:01] OWNER WANTED TO PUT THE WINDOW BACK, THEY WOULD HAVE THE SASH STORED. MM-HMM. AND THE FRAME STORED. AND, UH, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO REMOVE STONE TO, TO DO THAT. OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MAZUA? SURE. AND, AND I GUESS I, I MISUNDERSTOOD IN THE APPLICATION, I THOUGHT THAT CHIMNEY WAS GONNA GO BEHIND THE STATUE HOLDING THE, THE LAMP, BUT NOW I SEE THAT THIS IS THE PORCH WITH THE INFILL. YES. YES. MM-HMM, . SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET INTO THAT SPACE? UH, THROUGH THE LIVING AREA? INSIDE, IT WON'T HAVE AN EXTERIOR ACCESS. IT, IT'S JUST THROUGH THE, UH, LIVING AREA. OKAY. IT HAS BOTH THE REAR AND FRONT ENTRANCE, UH, THE ACCESS THAT AREA, AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE USING NOW. THEY DON'T USE THAT DOOR VERY MUCH. RIGHT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. DO, DO YOU FORESEE THAT THAT THE KEYSTONE AND, AND THOSE STONES AND THEN THE, THE LENTIL THAT THAT IS DISRUPTED? THAT THAT HAS TO BE CUT? I WOULD THINK THAT THE, UM, WELL THE FIREBOX IS BUILT OUTSIDE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE. SO THE FLU WOULD ACTUALLY BE ON THE OUTSIDE. MM-HMM. OF THE FACADE. SO HE WOULD BE PASSING, YOU WOULD BE PASSING THE STONE, THE FLU WOULD BE PASSING BY ALL THAT DECORATIVE CUT STONE. MM-HMM. , THERE, THERE IS GONNA BE SOME STONE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REMOVE BELOW THE WINDOW AND ABOVE THE DOOR, THE WIDTH OF THE PLEASE JUST TO PROVIDE THE PROPER CONSTRUCTION AND ANCHOR TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP. OKAY. OH, MY MOTION'S NOT GOING THAT WAY. UM, SO IF YOU GUYS WANNA GO FOR ANOTHER MOTION. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WELL, THE, THE WAY THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THE DOOR THAT IS THERE BECOMES THE SPACE FOR THE MOUTH OF THE FIREPLACE THAT IS RIGHT. PRETTY MUCH OUTSIDE NOW. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A JUNCTION THAT TIES TO THE STONE WITHOUT DAMAGING THE STONE. RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO CUT THE STONE. THERE IS GONNA BE SOME REMOVAL OF STONE ABOVE THE DOOR AND BELOW THE WINDOW. BUT WHAT ABOUT ABOVE THE KEYSTONE? I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT THE KEYSTONE? WELL, IT'S, IF WE CAN, UH, IF THE CHIMNEY ALLOWS FOR THE FLUE AND WE'RE PLANNING ON USING, UH, IT'S BUILDING IT AS A SOLID MASONRY FIREPLACE WITH A CLAY FLUE AND THAT THOSE CLAY FLUES ARE, YOU KNOW, EIGHT 12 INCHES IN DIAMETER, WE MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO FIND SOME RECTANGULAR THAT WE CAN ATTACH, HAVE IT GO RIGHT BEHIND THE STONE AND INSIDE THE CASING OF THE NEW STONE FIREPLACE, THE NEW CHIMNEY. IT, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN TRY TO WORK THAT OUT. DO YOU, CAN YOU OBJECTION POINT OF ORDER. WE'RE NOT HERE TO DESIGN, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DETAIL DESIGN HERE. YOU'RE CORRECT. NO, NO, THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST A LIMITATION IN WHAT ONE PERSON CONSIDERS ADEQUATE AND WHAT ANOTHER PERSON CONSIDERS NECESSARY FOR THIS APPLICANT TO BE GIVEN, UH, HIS DUE DILIGENCE. BUT IF HIS DUE DILIGENCE IS IMPORTANT TO EACH HIS OWN, I GUESS. RIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FIREPLACE AT THIS ELEVATION. ANCHORED TO THE OUTSIDE, UH, CAUSING NO IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE IN A MANNER THAT CAUSES NO IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE TO THIS ELEVATION. THERE'S TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, CHIMNEY AS PART OF THE APPLICATION STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING THAT. SO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A NEW MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE AS STAFF RECOMMENDED. SECOND. SECOND. SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE DENIAL OF THE FREESTANDING BAR. WELL, I GOT THE SAME. I, I WANNA SAY LIKE FROM THE BEGINNING, I THINK STAFF HAS HAD IT RIGHT. I DON'T SEE THE REVERSIBILITY HERE WITH THE STONE, WE ARE USUALLY PRETTY CONSISTENT ON JUST LIKE, NOT EVEN REMOVING HISTORIC CHIMNEYS. NOW WE'RE SUDDENLY ADDING, WE'RE ALREADY ADDING, I MEAN, ONE I THINK WAS MORE REVERSIBLE THAN THE OTHER. SO WE ARE ALLOWING THE APPLICANT TO ADD ONE CHIMNEY IN ONE BEDROOM WITH A REVERSIBILITY. THAT'S FAIRLY LEASE ON THE ROOF. WAIT, DID WE GET A SECOND ON YOUR MOTION? YEAH, WE DID GET A SECOND. YES. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR. AND SO I FEEL LIKE THE REVERSIBILITY AND, AND THEN ALSO JUST DESIGNING IT HERE, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER OPTION WITH MORE DETAILS ON MATERIAL AND, [03:05:01] AND PROCESS, I MEAN THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK, BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING IT AS IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA NAY. GIADA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES NAY, HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 28 WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. AGENDA ITEM 29, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 29 HDRC CASE 2023 DASH 5 0 5 26 19 MCCULLOUGH AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL HARDY LAP SIDING ON TOP OF THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE GARAGE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF HARDY LAP SIDING ON TOP OF THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE GARAGE BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING AND THAT ANY ELEMENTS THAT ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR REPLACE WITH FULLY WOOD SIDING MATCHING THE EXISTING DIMENSION PROFILE, REVEAL AND FINISH. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, BERTHA ZUNIGA, IS HERE IN PERSON NOON. DOES ANYBODY WANT A BATHROOM BREAK? . I'M BERTHA ZUNIGA. I'M AN ATTORNEY AND A RETIRED, UH, FEDERAL IMMIGRATION JUDGE, AND I OWN THIS BUILDING AT 26 19 MCCULLOUGH. I BOUGHT IT IN 2017. IT WAS JUST, UH, AN, IT WAS JUST A SHELL OF A BUILDING AND I'VE INVESTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN THE INTERIOR AND ALSO IN THE OUTSIDE. UM, RECENTLY, UH, THE SIDING, THE OLD SIDING IN MY BUILDING WAS VERY DETERIORATED, SO I DECIDED THAT I NEEDED TO PUT NEW SIDING ON THE BUILDING. AND SO I WENT AHEAD AND, UH, I'M A BUSY IMMIGRATION LAWYER, SO I JUST, UH, EMAILED THE, THE CITY AND REQUESTED IF ASKED IF I NEEDED A PERMIT TO PUT NEW SIDING ON TOP OF OLD SIDING. AND I GOT AN ANSWER. IT SAYS, NO PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR PUTTING SIDING ON TOP OF SIDING. IF YOU ARE COMPLETELY REPLACING REMOVING THE OLD SIDING, THEN YOU WILL NEED A COMMERCIAL MINOR REPAIR PERMIT. BASED ON THIS EMAIL ON NOVEMBER 15 SAYING THAT I DID NOT NEED ANY PERMIT, I WENT AHEAD AND HIRED A CONTRACTOR AND I PAID, UM, HA I PAID HIM THREE FOURTHS OF, UH, THE MONEY THAT HE REQUESTED. HE REQUESTED $19,000. AND THE, I PUT HARDY BOARD, UH, SIDING ON THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND IT'S 95% COMPLETE. AND THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT I REMOVE THE HARDY BOARD. UH, AND THE WHOLE BUILDING IS NOW COVERED WITH HARDY BOARD EXCEPT FOR A FEW PORTIONS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW I COULD, UH, POSSIBLY, UH, DO THAT. UM, I'M REQUESTING, UH, DIRECTION FROM Y'ALL FROM THE COMMISSION BECAUSE I NEED A VARIANCE OR I NEED A WAIVER BECAUSE, UH, MY BUILDING, UH, IT'S VERY PRETTY. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NEEDS TO COMPLETE, UH, BE COMPLETED WITH A, WITH A HARDY BOARD. UH, I JUST CAN'T REMOVE WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED AND I WOULD REALLY NEED, I'M REQUESTING HELP FROM YOU ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? NO VOICEMAILS, NO LETTERS AND NO IN PERSON SPEAKERS. OKAY. A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, THE EMAIL THAT, UM, MS. ZUNIGA RECEIVED FROM DSD MM-HMM, , WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT? WAS IT JUST A, SO SHE DID SHOW ME THE EMAIL THAT SHE SENT TO DSD AND WE ARE WORKING WITH DSD TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WHEN A PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED OR LOCATED IN A HISTORIC AREA, THAT IT DOES REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, SUCH'S AN ONGOING WORKING RELATIONSHIP. UM, BUT WORK HAS STOPPED AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET A SOLUTION TODAY. THIS EMAIL GAVE ME COMPLETE APPROVAL TO START MY PROJECT AND TO DISH OUT THE MONEY THAT I HAVE DISH OUT TO THE CONTRACTOR. AND THE PROJECT IS 95% COMPLETE. AND SO HELP MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION YES. UNLESS [03:10:01] THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. YES. MOTION TO APPROVE AS THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, SUBMITTED TODAY. SECOND MOTION IS SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I WILL SAY, UM, I'M SORRY. THERE'S AN EMAIL, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME IT'S HAPPENED AND I, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DID THIS MOTION TODAY IS I FEEL LIKE IT'S REVERSIBLE. YOU, THE WOOD, THE ORIGINAL WOOD IS STILL UNDERNEATH. YOU'VE DONE 95% OF THE WORK. I JUST ASKED YOU NEVER TO DO ANY WORK WITHOUT CONTACT AND OFFICE OF EXTRA PRESERVATION, BUT YOU DID YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, AT LEAST EMAILING THE CITY AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE ON THAT MISTAKE. UM, BUT YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL VOTE BELOW UNDERNEATH, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF REVERSIBLE. SO THAT'S WHY I DID THAT MOTION LIKE THAT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IF YOU GO TO, OKAY. THE PHOTO THAT'S UP, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UM, THE WALL OF THE HOUSE IS HALF FINISHED. CORRECT. AND THE OLD SIDING IS ABOVE THAT. THE OLD SIDING IS ABOVE THE, THE LIGHT. UH, THAT'S, THERE'S THAT TINY PORTION THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE HARDY BOARD. AND ALSO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S A, A, A PORTION THAT HAS NOT BEEN, UM, UH, PAINTED, BUT THE HARDY BOARD IS THERE. OKAY. UM, WOULD THE IN, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, UH, SEMI ENCLOSED PORCH TO THE RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. DOES THE, UM, HAS THE HARDY BOARD BEEN APPLIED TO ANY OF THOSE WALLS? YES, IT HAS ALL AROUND. ALL OF THAT IS HARDY BOARD RIGHT THERE. UH, AND THIS WOULD BE ON THE INSIDE SURFACE OF THE PORCH, ALSO ON THE FRONT ENTRANCE, ON THE FRONT ENTRANCE, EXCEPT FOR A VERY SMALL PORTION ABOVE THE LAMP. UH, ALL OF THAT HAS HARDY HARDY BOARD, UH, SIR. SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S 95% COMPLETE. AND THE SIDING THAT IS ON THE, THE HARDY BOARD THAT IS REMAINED IS, IS ABOUT 10, UH, 10 PLANKS. UM, OTHERWISE THE PROJECT WOULD'VE BEEN COMPLETED. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE. KIVA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 30. AGENDA ITEM 30 HDRC CASE 2023 DASH 5 0 6 20, UH, I'M SORRY, 267 269 EAST ROSEWOOD AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL FOR WHOLESALE WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH VINYL WINDOWS ON THE PRIMARY AND REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH F. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS NEW OR SALVAGED FULLY WOOD WINDOWS. THE WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE TWO AN INSTEAD OF TWO INCHES WITHIN THE FACADE AND SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. MEETING. RAILS MUST BE NO TALLER THAN ONE AND A QUARTER, AND STYLES NO WIDER THAN TWO AND A QUARTER WHITE MANUFACTURE COLORS NOT ALLOWED. AND COLOR SELECTION MUST BE PRESENTED TO STAFF. THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES IN DEPTH BETWEEN THE FRONT FACE OF THE WINDOW TRIM AND THE FRONT FACE OF THE TOP WINDOW SASH. THIS MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY RE RECESSING THE WINDOW SUFFICIENTLY WITHIN THE OPENING OR WITHIN THE INSTALLATION OF THE ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM. TO ADD THICKNESS WINDOW TRIM MUST BE FEATURED, MUST FEATURE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS AND ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE SEAL DETAIL. WINDOW TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM OR CONCEALED BY A WOOD WINDOW SCREEN SET WITHIN THE OPENING WINDOW. TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM OR CONCEALED BY A WOOD SCREEN SET WITHIN THE OPENING. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATE SPECIFICATIONS FOR FINAL WINDOW PRODUCT STAFF WILL REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, THERE'S TWO, TWO LETTERS IN YOUR FILE. UM, ONE VOICEMAIL, NO IN PERSON, SPEAKER, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, LIO MARTINEZ IS HERE IN PERSON. HELLO, MY NAME IS RUI MARTINEZ. I, UH, I'M THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY. I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY MID-OCTOBER. UH, JUST A QUICK, UH, HISTORY BEHIND IT. I PURCHASED IT TO, UH, BE CLOSER TO MY, THE, MY SON'S THERAPIST, UH, HIS SPECIAL NEEDS AND TO BE CLOSER TO MY [03:15:01] DOCTOR'S, UH, I MEAN MY FATHER'S DOCTORS WHO HAS SINCE PASSED AWAY. AND WE LAID 'EM TO REST NOVEMBER 18TH. SO, UM, HAVING ALL THAT ON MY PLATE, I, UM, I DID WHAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD DO, WHICH WAS WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, IT WAS IN TOTAL DISREPAIR. UH, THE, IT WAS VANDALIZED. THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD, UM, BROKEN INTO IT. AND, UH, WHOEVER SOLD THE HOUSE TO ME HAD ALREADY REPLACED MAJORITY OF THE WINDOWS. SO I SPENT THAT TIME IN BETWEEN ALL THIS CRAZYNESS GOING ON IN MY LIFE, LOOKING FOR AN EQUAL MATCH OF WHATEVER WAS ALREADY THERE. I FOUND A MATCH. IT TOOK ME A WHILE, AND I GOT THE REST OF THE WINDOWS REPLACED. SO NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE AFTER THE FACT, ALL THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED ON THE HOUSE. UH, THERE IS NOT THE, UH, THE RE THE PICTURES ON, ON GOOGLE. AND THE PICTURES THAT THE, UM, THAT THE REALTOR HAD WERE OLDER PICTURES THAT DID NOT, UH, SHOW WHAT THE HOUSE HAD BECAUSE, UH, WHAT'S ONLY REMAINING ON THE HOUSE WAS JUST THE WINDOW SCREENS, WHICH WAS A FACADE OF THE HOUSE. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW HAS, HAS BRAND NEW WINDOWS. AND I, I DID WHAT ANY REASONABLE PERSON WOULD'VE DONE, WHICH WAS SECURE MY HOUSE, SECURE MY INVESTMENT, AND I PUT THE H THE WINDOWS EXACTLY TO HOW THE, THE OTHER WINDOWS WERE. AND I GUESSED BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY, ANY OLD WINDOWS TO GO BY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE SINGLE HUNG, DOUBLE HUNG. WHAT THEY WERE, THEY, THEY WERE IN SHAMBLES. THEY WERE ALL WERE FALLING APART, AND PART OF IT WAS ALREADY BOARDED. UH, EVEN AFTER I BOARDED IT, PEOPLE EVEN WENT BACK INTO THE HOUSE AND VANDALIZED IT FURTHER. UM, I SUSPECT WHO IT WAS, BUT I, I, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. UM, ALL ALONG, I ALSO HAD AN ISSUE WITH, WITH THE MAIN SEWER OF MY HOUSE, UH, THIS PROPERTY DOES, HAS ZERO, UH, PROPERTY LINE. SO I REACHED OUT TO MY NEIGHBOR AND I SAID, NEIGHBOR, I NEED TO WORK ON THE, UH, ON THE MAIN SEWER. AND HE WAS VERY SHORT WITH ME AND SAID, GO AHEAD, DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO. IT'S YOUR HOUSE. DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. JUST TALK TO MY TENANTS. SO I TALKED TO THE TENANTS, MR. ARTHUR AND MR. ELLISON. I SAID, SIR, I'M GONNA HAVE TO USE THAT DRIVEWAY RIGHT THERE TO GET TO THE MAIN SEWER. UH, THE, UH, NIXON PLUMBING WHO DID ALL THE PLUMBING FOR THE HOUSE, TOLD ME WE NEED TO GAIN ACCESS TO THAT. SO I DID. AND I SAID, I'M GONNA PAY YOU AS A GOOD FAITH, UH, MEASURE. I'M GONNA PAY YOU FOR PART OF YOUR RENT SO THAT YOU CAN ALLOW ME TO USE YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR DRIVEWAY. WELL, LO AND BEHOLD, THEY DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH DIRT WAS GONNA COME OUT OF A FIVE FOOT HOLE. THEY, THE, THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE WHO GAVE ME VERBAL PERMISSION CALLED THE POLICE ON ME BECAUSE HE'S, UH, CHIEF MCMANUS HIS NEIGHBOR. SO HE CALLED THE CHIEF AND SAID, GET EVERYBODY OVER HERE. THERE'S A CRIME BEING COMMITTED. THE NEIGHBOR WAS THERE. HE CALLED IMMIGRATION ON ME BECAUSE HE SAID, THERE'S SOME MEXICANS WORKING ON THE HOUSE. IT WAS ME. UH, AND HE, HE, HE WAS THERE. EVEN THE DEPUTY SAID, SIR, YOU NEED TO STEP ASIDE. THEY HAVE PERMITS. YOU NEED TO LET THEM WORK. YOU CAN NO LONGER BE ON THE PREMISES. AND, AND I'M SURE HE PROBABLY SENT A LETTER OF OPPOSITION WITH THIS. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A LITTLE MORE, MORE HISTORY TO, TO WHAT'S GOING ON. THE UNFORTUNATE PIECE HERE IS THAT WE'RE AFTER THE FACT. EVERYTHING HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. THE HOUSE IS DONE, AND I'VE BEEN HELD HOSTAGE FOR A MONTH. I STILL HAVE TO DRIVE BACK AND FORTH FROM FLORESVILLE WITH MY SON. EVERYTHING'S ON HOLD. I CAN'T LIVE IN MY HOUSE. I HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE STAFF AND THE COMMITTEE HAVE RECOMMENDED IS FOR ME TO TAKE THOSE WINDOWS OFF AND REPLACE 'EM WITH THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS LOOKED. IT'S COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO THAT. I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY OR THE FINANCES OR DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. SO I'M TRULY ASKING FOR YOUR HELP AND FOR YOUR GRACE. I, I WISH I KNEW THIS INFORMATION BEFORE I STARTED ON THIS HOUSE, BUT JUST LIFE HAPPENED AND HERE WE ARE. SO I NEED YOUR HELP. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PROCEED. I NEED TO MOVE IN MY HOUSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, WE HAVE SOME VOICEMAILS. THIS IS RANDOLPH RO AT 4 2 2 EAST ROSEWOOD SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. THIS IS IN REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 34 2 6 9 EAST ROSEWOOD AND 2 6 7 EAST ROSEWOOD. AND I AM OPPOSED TO THE, UH, WHOLESALE WINDOW REPLACEMENT [03:20:01] WITH VINYL. UH, ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS. ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS IN MONTE VISTA ARE WOOD. AND I THINK, UH, THE OWNER SHOULD, UM, BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND REPLACE. IF HE'S GONNA REPLACE THE WINDOWS, HE NEEDS TO REPLACE IT WITH WOOD AND NOT WITH VINYL. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. BYE. THAT'S, UH, UM, MR. MCMANUS NEIGHBOR AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY NEXT TO ME. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. UH, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER VOICEMAIL? NO. OKAY. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO YOU SAID THAT SOME OF THE WINDOWS HAD ALREADY BEEN REPLACED? YES, MA'AM. HOW MANY OF THE TOTAL, OR DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONES? UH, I ENDED UP, UM, MATCHING SIX OF 'EM. UH, TOTAL. THE TOTAL THAT I REPLACED WAS ABOUT 15 BECAUSE SIX I REPLACED AND THE OTHER NINE WERE BROKEN. SO I TOOK OFF AND SENT THEM TO GET REPAIRED AND PUT THEM BACK ON, BUT THEY WERE ALREADY THERE. THE ONLY ONE THAT I DIDN'T, DIDN'T REPLACE WAS THE FRONT WINDOW, WHICH WAS THE, THE ARCH WINDOW. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE. OKAY. SO YEAH, THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF I'M OKAY. THE ORIGINAL ARCH WINDOW. AND THEN YOU SAID THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WASN'T REPLACED. SO THERE'S 15 WINDOWS IN TOTAL. NINE YOU TOOK OFF AND GOT REPAIRED. SO THERE'S STILL WOOD? NO, THEY, THEY WERE THE, THE SAME WINDOWS THAT THE HOUSE HAS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THEY'RE ALL, UM, AND WE ARE SURE THAT THEY'RE VINYL, ALL OF THEM AND NOT AN PLA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YES. OKAY. I, I SENT, UM, SO NINE OF THE 15 WINDOWS HAD ALREADY BEEN CHANGED. SO YOU ADDED OH NO. ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS, ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS WERE REPAIR. THERE'S LIKE A TOTAL OF 43 WINDOWS OUT OF THOSE 43 9 WERE BROKEN. SO I TOOK THEM OFF AND HAD 'EM REPAIRED AND I PUT 'EM BACK. THEY'RE THE SAME WINDOWS. AND THEN YOU ADDED SIX SIX FOR THE LAST TO CHANGE. THE LAST WHERE YOU PUT NEW IN. THOSE ARE THE NEW ONES. AND THEN THERE'S 20 SOMETHING. DO WE KNOW HOW FAR THEY GO? THOSE VINYL WINDOWS? THOSE ARE THE SPECS. I SENT THE SPECS ON THE WINDOW. NO, I MEAN, DO WE KNOW HOW FAR CHANGE GOES? LIKE FROM WHAT IT WAS? WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF ANYTHING. NO. SO WE ACTUALLY GOT A REPORT ON THIS. IT SHOULD BE CASE FILE, I MEAN FINDING B IN THE CASE FILE. UM, WE'VE GOT A REPORT OF THIS AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO, UH, REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IMMEDIATELY LET THEM KNOW, HEY, YOU KNOW, NEED A COA. UM, AND HE DID APPLY FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. HE, HE, UM, SENT OVER ALL THIS MATERIAL TO US, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAR BACK IT GOES TO WHERE THE, THE WINDOWS WERE BEEN HAVE BEEN REMOVED. UM, THE PHOTOS ON THE REALTOR AD DO SHOW THAT THERE WERE WOOD WINDOWS. IT'S, UH, WITHOUT DUE RESPECT ON THAT PHOTO. IT'S JUST A SCREEN. THERE'S NO WINDOW BEHIND IT. IT'S THE SCREEN FACADE IF YOU LOOK AT IT. OKAY. AND THEN I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, THE WINDOWS ARE GONE ON SOME OF THE PICTURES, THERE'S LIKE A BUILDING WITH SOME GREEN, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER BUILDING, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT YOURS. IT'S NOT PART OF THIS. UM, THAT'S THE GREEN WOOD WINDOWS. THAT'S THE NEIGHBOR? NO, THAT'S THE NEIGHBOR. OKAY. AND THEN THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO EACH. DO YOU HAVE THE SCREENS THAT THE HOUSE HAD WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT? NO, THEY WERE ALL FALLING APART. THE ONLY SCREEN I HAVE IS THE FRONT DOOR. WOULD YOU, AND IT'S STILL THERE. BE OPEN TO ADDING SCREENS IF THAT WAS AN OPTION DISCUSSED HERE, IF THAT'S, UM, MODIFICATION YOU, YOU WANT, I CAN DO THAT. OKAY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. I JUST DO NOT HAVE THE, THE, UH, THE FINANCIAL MEANS TO REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE. IF SOMEONE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WANTS TO REPLACE 'EM WITH THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, OR THERE'S A GRANT WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO THAT WANTS TO DO THAT, I'M ALL FOR IT. I JUST DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. IT WOULD BE A HUGE FINANCIAL BURDEN FOR ME TO DO THAT. MR. CHAIR. I NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MY, WITH MY COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, SIR. UM, SO FOLLOWING UP ON YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT THE WINDOWS, MY QUESTION IS, SO OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS A VIOLATION CASE AND YOU REPLACED THE WINDOWS BECAUSE YOU SAID THE OTHER ONES HAD ALREADY BEEN REPLACED. SO YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 43 WINDOWS. UM, SO YOU REPLACED SIX, YOU REPAIRED NINE. UM, AND BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE WOOD WOULD LOOK LIKE THERE. 'CAUSE THERE'S NO WOOD THERE. AND THE WINDOWS AT ALL. THE ONES, THE ONES I REPAIRED WERE, WERE VINYL WINDOWS. THEY WERE JUST BROKEN. THEY WERE VANDALIZED. SO I TOOK 'EM OFF AND HAD 'EM REPLACED. IT'S A DOUBLE PANE WINDOW, AND THE VINYL WAS BROKEN, SO I HAD TO GET THOSE REPAIRED TO THE, AND I USED LIKE FOR, LIKE, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME WINDOWS FROM CREST MARK, CREST MARKS. SO, BUT YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU LIVE IN THIS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, CORRECT? YES. WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, UH, AND I LOOKED AT MY, UH, CLOSING DOCUMENTS AND I ASKED MY AGENT AND I SAID, UM, SO WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THIS? SHE SAID, WELL, IT'S PART OF THE, THE, UH, YOU'RE PART OF, UM, THE, UH, ASSOCIATION. AND I SAID, IS THERE A HOA THAT I HAVE TO PAY? AND SHE SAID, NO. I SAID, OKAY, THAT'S AS FAR AS IT EVER WENT. I HAD NO IDEA YOU GUYS WERE HERE. [03:25:01] THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER DEALT WITH YOU GUYS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW, I MEAN, HOW TO PROCEED FROM HERE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD TO, I MEAN, I KNEW THAT THE TECHNICAL PART, I NEEDED TO GET PERMITS. SO MY PLUMBERS GOT PERMITS, MY ELECTRICIANS GOT PERMITS. BUT ME FIXING MY HOUSE, I MEAN, I'M IN FLORESVILLE. I, I'VE DONE WORK ON MY HOUSE ALL MY LIFE. I DON'T, OKAY. IT'S IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. I, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD TO ASK FOR PERMISSION. AND THAT'S MY IGNORANCE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER GRUB, I DID FIND THE REALTOR, THE REALTOR LISTING, AND IT DOES HAVE A COPYRIGHT OF 2023. AND THERE ARE WOOD WINDOWS THERE I SAW TOO. BUT THAT'S, HE PURCHASED IT THIS YEAR, WHICH IS NINE. YEAH, I JUST BOUGHT IT IN OCTOBER. SO, UM, HAS THERE BEEN A SITE VISIT? YES. AND THE PHOTOS ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CASE FILE. SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF, IF HE HAD NINE WINDOWS THAT HE REPAIRED THAT WERE ALREADY ON THE, ON THE SITE, AND HE REPAIRED THEM, NOT REPLACED THEM, AND THEN HE PUT OTHER WINDOWS THAT MATCHED THE NINE EXISTING WINDOWS THAT WERE USABLE, THAT HE REPAIRED, DOES THAT, DOES THAT MEAN HE'S GRANDFATHERED IN ON THOSE WINDOWS? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? NO. SO ONCE YOU REMOVE, UM, A PRODUCT, YOU NEED TO INSTALL SOMETHING THAT CONFORMS TO THE GUIDELINES. VINYL WINDOWS DO NOT CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY. IF THAT WAS THE REQUEST, UM, MOST LIKELY WOULD'VE CAUGHT ON THE OTHER WINDOWS. ADDITIONALLY, WE MAY HAVE BEEN HERE A LOT SOONER. CORRECT. BUT IF SOMEONE PURCHASES THE HOUSE AND HAS THOSE WINDOWS IN THERE, THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO REPLACE THEM. THEY JUST KEEP THOSE WINDOWS THAT THEY, THAT CAME WITH THE HOUSE. RIGHT. IF THEY DO WANT TO TAKE A PRODUCT OUT, THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE INSTALLING NEEDS TO BE A PRODUCT THAT CONFORMS TO THE GUIDELINES. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO RETURN TO A PREVIOUS CONDITION. SO WHEN YOU'RE REPAIRING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ORIGINAL, YOU CAN'T REPAIR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ORIGINAL. YOU'RE ASKING ME TO FI PUT 'EM BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, CONDITION. NO, NO, NO. I'M ASKING THE STAFF IF THERE'S AN ORIGINAL WINDOW OR THERE'S A WINDOW THAT CAME WITH THE HOUSE AND HE REPAIRS IT, HE DOESN'T REPLACE IT, HE REPAIRS IT. IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE A VINYL WINDOW. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHAT I DID. THERE'S THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH FIXING A VINYL WINDOW. NO. SO THE, THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THERE WAS, THERE'S SIX WINDOWS, VINYLS WINDOWS THAT YOU REPLACED. YEAH. AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO WOOD WINDOW THERE, THERE WAS NOTHING, NO WINDOW AT ALL. JUST BOARDED OUT WINDOWS. THEY WERE BOARDED OUT. THERE WERE NO WINDOWS. THERE WERE, THERE WERE NO WINDOWS THERE. IT WAS JUST BOARDED OUT. IT WAS JUST, AND THE ONLY ONES THAT HAD SOME WERE THE FRONT DOOR WITH THE WINDOW SCREEN THERE. AND I HAVEN'T FIXED THAT. I HAVEN'T TOUCHED IT SINCE DECEMBER THE 18. SO, SO SURE. THEN I, UNDER YOU JUST, I JUST UNDERSTOOD THERE WAS SIX WINDOWS THAT YOU REPAIRED THAT YOU HAD TO REPAIR. THERE WERE SIX WINDOW HOLES THAT I HAD TO PUT NEW WINDOW IN. THERE WERE NO WINDOWS THERE. OKAY. SO I, I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT. I I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU TOOK NO SIX SOME WINDOWS AND REPAIRED THEM, AND THEN YOU BROUGHT EXTRA WINDOWS AND FILLED THE HOLES THAT WERE THERE. NO, WITH NEW WINDOWS, JUST FOR THE SIX WINDOWS I HAD, I PUT, I COVERED THE HOSE WITH THE NEW WINDOW THAT MATCHED WHAT WAS ALREADY IN THE HOUSE. THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, SIR. WHAT WAS ALREADY IN THE HOUSE. YES. DO WE HAVE ANY QUE OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHEN THE REALTOR.COM PICTURES REALLY DO SHOW WOOD WINDOWS FROM, IT'S JUST A 2023. NO, ON THE INSIDE THERE WAS THE WINDOWS WERE SHATTERED. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE BOARD OF REALTORS IS USING COPYRIGHT PICTURES? THAT SHOULD BE NOT ANOTHER YEAR. THOSE PICTURES, IF YOU ZOOM IN, THERE IS NO WINDOWS THERE, MA'AM. THERE IS WOOD WINDOWS INSIDE. IN RESPECT, IT WAS JUST PIECES OF HAVE STAFF PULL IT UP. I MEAN, WE ALL LOOKING AT THEM. THAT IS WOOD WINDOWS. THAT IS WOOD WINDOWS. THE INSIDE? YES. I DON'T KNOW WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE REPLACED. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU, I'M SORRY. YES. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THAT'S HOW YOU BOUGHT IT. NO, I DID NOT MINE LIKE THAT. I BOUGHT IT WITH, WITH VINYL WINDOWS AND I REPAIRED THE ONES THAT WERE DAMAGED AND REPLACED, THE ONES THAT DID NOT HAVE WINDOWS AND SEE STAFF, THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET AT. IF HE BOUGHT A HOUSE THAT HAD VINYL WINDOWS THAT WERE BROKEN AND HE REPAIRED THOSE VINYL WINDOWS AND THEN HE ADDED MORE WINDOWS, THAT'S HAPPENED TO BE VINYL. WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE HIM? ON HIS, I MEAN, IF THERE WAS ALREADY VINYL WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE. I I UNDERSTAND THAT HE'S GRANDFATHERED HIM FOR THOSE WINDOWS. CORRECT. SO WE ARE HERE FOR THE NEW INSTALLATIONS. WE CANNOT VERIFY WHAT WAS THERE AT THE TIME THAT THE REPLACEMENT HAPPENED. UM, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT VERY RECENTLY THERE WERE INTACT WOOD WINDOWS. [03:30:05] AND SIR, YOU DON'T HAVE PICTURES OF THE WINDOWS AS YOU BOUGHT THEM WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE ON YOUR INSPECTION DAY? NO, SIR. I HAVE PICTURES. THE, ALL THE PICTURES THAT I HAVE, I SEND THEM TO MS. CLAUDIA AND MR. BRIAN, WHEN THEY ASKED ME FOR INFORMATION, I SUBMITTED ALL THAT INFORMATION. YEAH, THOSE ARE THE ONES. OKAY. MR. CHAIR, I'LL TRY A MOTION. I MEAN, WITH THE BENEFIT OF DOUBT, I JUST, YES, PLEASE. JUST REALLY, I MEAN, BEEN HERE FOR TOO LONG ON THIS COMMISSION AND NEVER REALLY HEARD AND NEVER REALLY HEARD OF, YOU KNOW, PICTURES FROM A REAL ESTATE LISTING BEING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS FOUND. BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GONE TOO FAR TO, UM, TO BE TOO REVERSIBLE EVEN IN ANY WAY BECAUSE I FEEL I CAN SEE THAT THE INSIDE HAS EVEN BEEN MODIFIED. UM, UM, MOVE TO APPROVE AS INSTALLED, BUT WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU INSTALL, UM, SCREENS ON EVERY SINGLE WINDOW OF ALL FOUR FACADES OF THE HOME AS THEY ARE SHOWING ON THE PICTURE. OKAY. ON THE REALTOR REALTOR.COM PICTURES ON THE EXTERIOR BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE HAVE, LIKE, THEY HAVE A LITTLE DECOR ON IT. LIKE, I'LL SECOND, DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SINO. SHE'S ABSENT. SAVINO STEPPED AWAY. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY. AYE. MOOKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES. YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AND IN TERMS OF THE TIMEFRAME FOR GETTING THE SCREENS UP THERE, IF YOU'LL WORK WITH STAFF. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. OKAY. YES. AND DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE I CAN WORK WITH OR, OR A LIST OF CONTRACTORS THAT DO? I'LL SEND YOU AGENDA ITEM 31. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 31 20 24 DASH 1 5 17 WIX, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, WIDEN THE EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVEWAY FROM 10 FEET TO 16 FEET, AND TWO, WIDEN THE EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, APRON FROM 12 FEET TO 20 FEET. ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY EXPANSION FROM 10 FEET TO 16 FEET BASED ON FINDING. C. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH TO 10 FEET TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS DELOADING AND UNLOADING AREAS B OF PERVIOUS OR SEMI PERVIOUS MATERIALS SUCH AS PAVERS BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE HOUSE. ITEM TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY APRIL, AND EXPANSION FROM 12 FEET TO 20 FEET BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE DRIVEWAY APRON WITH OF 12 FEET TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE APPLICANT. UM, STEPHANIE FLORES IS JOINING IN US VIRTUALLY. HI MOM. THIS IS STEPHANIE FLORES AND I AM THE OWNER OF 5 1 7 W AND THE REASON FOR MY REQUEST WAS BECAUSE OF A DA MODIFICATION REQUEST. I HAVE A 22-YEAR-OLD, UM, SPECIAL NEEDS ADULT CHILD WHO IS PRIMARILY IN A WHEELCHAIR. YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE IS MOBILE, 80% OF THAT TIME IS IN THE WHEELCHAIR AND THE OTHER 20% IS IN A GATE TRAINER. UM, SHE IS CONSIDERED A QUADRIPLEGIC, SO DOES REQUIRE A HUNDRED PERCENT ASSISTANCE. AND WE, YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND DID CALL. UM, I'VE HANDLED ALL THE OTHER THINGS FOR OUR HOUSE THAT WE PURCHASED IN JUNE AND HAVE COMPLIED WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, REQUESTS ON THIS ONE. MY HUSBAND WAS HANDLING MORE OF THE OUTSIDE LANDSCAPE. HE CALLED, UM, AND WAS TOLD HE DIDN'T NEED A PERMIT. AND, YOU KNOW, FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, HE CONTINUED AND WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR CONCRETE PERSON EXPLAINING HOW WE WANTED A SAFE, UH, PATH FOR OUR DAUGHTER SO THAT WHEN SHE IS EXITING, YOU KNOW, HER, HER VEHICLE WITH A RAMP, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER CAR THAT HAS A VALET CHAIR TO GIVE HER THE APPROPRIATE ROOM TO GET OUT SAFELY. AND THEN ALLOWING THE WHEELCHAIR TO COME OUT, PIVOT, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO NAVIGATE, UM, TO THE RAMP THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO BUILD TOWARDS THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND SO BASED ON, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO COME UP WITH A NAVIGATIONAL DESIGN FOR HER, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE COMING UP WITH A WIDENING. AND THE CONCRETE GUY GAVE US HIS RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT HE'S DONE FOR OTHER A DA REQUIREMENTS. QUESTION FOR STAFF, MR. CHAIR? UH, ONE MOMENT. DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? [03:35:02] NO. NO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UH, HAS THIS WORK ALREADY BEEN DONE? YES. YES. OKAY. BECAUSE WE, AGAIN, MY HUSBAND CALLED AND HE WAS TOLD WE DIDN'T NEED A PERMIT AND HE MOVED FORWARD. AND HONESTLY, I JUST THOUGHT, OH, IT'S LANDSCAPE. IT'S NOT NEEDED. BUT I HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE FOR ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF THE HOUSE, OUR WINDOWS, UH, OUR PORCH, I MEAN, EVERYTHING ELSE. I HAD BEEN VERY DILIGENT AT ADHERING, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS ERROR. I, I JUST, THIS ONE JUST ESCAPED US AND I, I GUESS I JUST MISSED IT. UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND I, HE WAS ON SPEAKER AND I HEARD IT. I WAS PROBABLY FEEDING MY DAUGHTER, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I MISSED IT AND WE MOVED FORWARD. I APOLOGIZE. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UH, IF, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'D MAKE A MOTION, UH, BUT I'LL YIELD TO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU. SO FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, SO YOU DID THE WORK, UM, WITHOUT APPROVAL. YOU WERE CONTACTED, YOU STOPPED, STOPPED WORKING, BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, UM, A COA NOW FOR THE UNAPPROVED WORK. SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT ALWAYS HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE THESE TYPE OF CASES IS THAT, ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOU WERE IN THE STORY DISTRICT? AND IF SO, WHY WOULD YOU NOT SEEK APPROVAL BEFORE DOING ANY WORK? UH, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS I, WE, MY HUSBAND CALLED TO CHECK ON THE PERMIT AND HE JUST DIDN'T THINK ABOUT CHECKING ON THE HISTORICAL PART. AND SO I HEARD SOMEBODY TELL HIM, OH NO, YOU DON'T NEED THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST FOR YOUR DRIVEWAY. AND SO THAT WAS IT. AND THEN WE MOVED FORWARD. SO MY QUESTION AGAIN IS, SO YOU, THEY WERE NOT AWARE THAT YOU WERE IN A SEW DISTRICT. YOU WERE AWARE YOU WERE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, RIGHT? WE WERE NOT. AND I, AND YOU CAN ASK CLAUDIA AND BRIAN, I HAVE CALLED THEM FOR EVERY OTHER PIECE OF OUR HOME 'CAUSE WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THIS HOME. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE WINDOWS. WE ARE HAND SANDING THEM OURSELVES AND PAINTING THEM. SO I JUST, I JUST, I'M CLUE I WAS CLUELESS THAT I NEEDED TO DO IT ON THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE WHEN MY HUSBAND CALLED, THEY SAID, OH NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING IF NO PERMIT IS NEEDED. AND THEN WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THE CONTRACTOR AND THE CONCRETE GUY, TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, THEY WERE LIKE, OH NO, YOU DON'T NEED IT. AND I THINK BOTH WERE JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT GUIDELINES. AND I, I'M NOW FAMILIAR WORKING WITH CLAUDIA AND BRIAN, BUT I, I'M JUST BEING TRANSPARENT THAT I WAS CLUELESS THAT IT WAS NEEDED FOR THE DRIVEWAY. AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I WAS GOING ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CONCRETE GUY SAYING, OKAY, WELL THIS IS WHAT I NORMALLY DO FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES WITH RAMPS. THIS IS WHAT I RECOMMEND. AND YOU KNOW, WE EVEN SIMULATED THE SITUATION TAKING MY DAUGHTER OUT OF THE CAR, SHOWING LIKE HOW WIDE IT WOULD BE FOR HER RAMP, UM, AND HOW WE WANT HER TO HAVE THE ENOUGH SPACE TO TURN HER WHEELCHAIR. SO BASED ON SIMUL THE SIMULATION AND HIS RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE WENT ON. BUT YES, I WAS , I'M VERY FAMILIAR. OKAY, THANK YOU. SINCERELY APOLOGIZE. AND I'LL CLARIFY. SO IT IS TRUE THAT FLAT WORK, UM, NORMALLY DOES NOT TRIGGER A PERMIT REQUIREMENT FROM DSD. IT STILL REQUIRES APPROVAL FROM OHP, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE. UM, I'M SURPRISED THAT THE APRON WIDENING DIDN'T TRIGGER SOME SORT OF RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT BECAUSE THAT IS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY TECHNICALLY. AND USUALLY THE WIDENING OF THE, THE CURB CUT WOULD REQUIRE SOMETHING. UM, BUT FOR JUST ADDITION OF FLAT WORK, IT NORMALLY DOES NOT TRIGGER PERMIT. SO THAT'S WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS. AND UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE CLAUDIA MENTIONED, IT'S ONGOING KIND OF TRAINING WITH DSD STAFF. THEY'RE A MUCH LARGER DEPARTMENT. THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE ANSWERING THE PHONE. AND SO IT'S MORE FREQUENT THAT YOU GET SOMEBODY THAT JUST ISN'T FAMILIAR WITH WHERE PROPERTY IS IN RELATION TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS. WITH THAT MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH, I THINK, UM, THIS IS TO THE APPLICANT. I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS I UNDERSTAND THE ACCESSIBILITY SPACE. YOU NEED THE MANEUVERING SPACE. UM, THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THE WIDENING OF THE APRON AND THAT'S JUST THE WORK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO PERHAPS ASKING OR HAVING YOUR CONCRETE FOLKS REMOVE THAT PORTION OF THE APRON THAT THEY ADDED FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE STREET CURB? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY BEGINS TO CONFLICT WITH THE, THE DRIVEWAY CUT PATTERNS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IS THAT THE APRON? WOULD YOU, UM, CONSIDER THE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I CAN, I CAN [03:40:01] CONSIDER IT, BUT I DID DRIVE AROUND AFTER I WAS NOTIFIED THAT I WAS IN VIOLATION AND I'M SEEING MULTIPLE HOUSES THAT HAVE THE WIDER DRIVEWAY. SO I LITERALLY WENT DOWN STREET BY STREET AND I SAW SEVERAL HOUSES ON GUNTHER, I THINK A COUPLE ON ADAM, SOME ON MISSION. SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS ALSO CONFUSED BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS A TREND FOR, FOR THE WIDENING OF THE APRON AS WELL AS THE DRIVEWAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. WELL, SIR, IN, IN LIGHT OF THE, UM, APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY WITH RESPECT TO THE A DA NEEDS, THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE, UM, EVEN AFTER THE FACT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS CONSTRUCTED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? Y YES. UH, FOR STATUS OF QUESTION AND DISCUSSION IS, IS IT WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S PURVIEW TO STIPULATE THAT ONCE THIS IS NO LONGER NEEDED OR IF THE HOUSE IS EVER SOLD, THAT, THAT THE DRIVEWAY BE RETURNED TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION OR ORIGINAL DIMENSIONS THAT, THAT ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE GUIDELINES? UH, YOU CAN, IT IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. UM, AND I'M, I'M GETTING THE OPPRESSION THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE TO SPEND A LONG TIME HERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YEARS DOWN THE LINE, THAT'S, I MEAN, I HAVE YEAH, EXACTLY. I MEAN I AM, I HAVE BEEN MODIFYING SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MY DAUGHTER IS 22. I'M ACTUALLY AT THE HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW IN RECOVERY ROOM BECAUSE SHE JUST HAD SURGERY. BUT THIS, MY GOAL IS THAT THIS IS MY FOREVER HOME WITH MY HUSBAND AND CHILDREN. SO, BUT YEAH, YOU WANT ME TO PUT IT IN MY WILL THAT WHEN I DIE AND THE HOUSE IS, IF MY SON SELLS THE HOUSE, THEN I WILL PUT IT, BUT I DO WANT THIS FOR, AGAIN, MY, MY GOAL IS TO MAKE HER QUALITY OF LIFE AS EASY AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. NO, NO, I WAS JUST THINKING FROM A STANDPOINT TO THE, TO, TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE YOUR REQUIREMENTS. 'CAUSE THIS HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT, THEY'LL DO SOMETHING WITHOUT THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, I WAS JUST THINKING IF WE CAN PROCEDURALLY PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY, HEY, WELL SHE DID IT, WE, YEAH, BUT GUESS WHAT, YOU KNOW, AND IN, IN 80 YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA TURN IT BACK TO WHATEVER IT WAS. BUT I, I'M THINKING PROCEDURALLY, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE. AVADA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECONSIDERING. I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 33. UM, SORRY. AGENDA ITEM 32. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 32 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 59 1 0 7 PAA HONDO. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING SIDEWALK. TWO, REPLACE CONCRETE FRONT PORCH. STEPS THREE, REPLACE A CONCRETE FRONT WALKWAY AND FOUR CONSTRUCT A METAL GATE AND FRONT YARD FENCE WITH MASONRY PILLARS AND A MASONRY KNEE. HIGH WALL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT TO STAFF A MEASURED SITE PLAN. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZE A PROFILE AND FINISH FOR THE CONCRETE WORK FOUND HISTORICALLY IN NUITY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR. BASED ON FINDINGS, A F AND G STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT OFFENSE SYSTEM TO STAFF THAT CONFORMS TO GUIDELINES. THERE IS JUST ONE SECOND. THERE IS ONE LETTER, OR I'M SORRY, ONE VOICEMAIL AND THE APPLICANT'S CAESAR AND DEGA, UH, DIEGO RAZA ARE HERE IN PERSON. HI. HI, I'M CESAR AND I'M THE OWNER OF, HI, I'M CESAR AND I'M THE OWNER OF 1 0 7 PASO HONDA. JUST WALK US THROUGH YOUR PROJECT. OKAY. SO I INITIALLY JUST WANTED TO, [03:45:01] UH, REDO THE FRONT SIDEWALK. SO I GOT IN CONTACT WITH THE CITY. UH, THEY HAD SAID THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY PAY A PART OF THE, OF THE SIDEWALK, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO OPEN UP A CASE AND GO THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS. SO I ENDED UP JUST DOING IT ON MY OWN. AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE FENCE GOES, WE DID IT MAINLY FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. UM, AS FAR AS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST MORE FOR THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, NOT THE SIDEWALK AND THE FENCE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE PROCEEDED WITH, WITH THAT PART OF THE JOB. AWESOME. I THINK WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. BRIAN. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNITY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 4 59, LOCATED AT 1 0 7 PAO, WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS. THE CONCRETE AND WROUGHT IRON FENCE BUILT WITHOUT A COA IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH OHP GUIDELINES WITHIN THE DIG WOOD HEEL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE FENCE SHOULD COME DOWN AND BE REPLACED WITH AN APPROPRIATELY APPROVED FENCE. THE OWNER CAN GET DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OHP STAFF. THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. GO AHEAD. QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIR? YES. THANK YOU APPLICANT. SO VIOLATION. OKAY, YOU JUST STATED, AND I'M GONNA QUOTE YOU THAT YOU SAY THAT YOU KNEW YOU NEEDED APPROVAL FOR THE SIDEWALK AND THE FENCE STILL, YET YOU WENT AHEAD AND DID IT. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY. NO, WITH THE CITY, NOT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. BUT YOU KNEW, YOU KNEW, YOU KNEW, YOU KNEW YOU WERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. RIGHT? BUT I THOUGHT THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES WERE FOR THE STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO YOU THOUGHT THAT THE GUIDELINES WERE ONLY FOR THE STRUCTURE ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PROPERTY. NOT FOR THE FENCE. RIGHT. BUT EVEN THOUGH THE FENCE IS PART OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UH, AS YOU DID YOUR, UH, SIDEWALK, EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE FUND SHARING PROGRAM, DID YOU GET A PERMIT FOR THE SIDEWALK? I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE THAT. YOU BELIEVE? YES. YES. I WOULD HAVE TO SEND IT OVER. UM, SO STAFF IS NOT AWARE OF ANY EXISTING PERMITS. SO TYPICALLY WHEN A APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A PERMIT FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, SCOPES OF WORK THAT DO REQUIRE A PERMIT ARE AND ARE DESIGNATED, UM, DO TRIGGER A REVIEW, UM, BY OUR OFFICE. MM-HMM. . AND SO, UM, AGAIN, I WOULD NEED TIME TO RESEARCH THAT, BUT IF ANY PERMIT WAS PULLED, UM, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION WOULD LEAVE A COMMENT THAT THERE WOULD BE, UM, A REQUIREMENT OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION, UH, FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO STAFF RELEASING THAT PERMIT OR OUR PORTION OF THE PERMIT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AND ALL, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT RELATES TO THE PREVIOUS CASE, IT'S WORK ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THAT ALWAYS NEEDS PERMIT AND ADDITIONAL INSPECTIONS FOR THAT REASON. AND BONDED WORKERS. UM, WHAT CAUSED YOU ARE, ARE YOU PLANNING ON WORKING ON THE HOUSE ALSO? YES. UM, WHAT YOU SAID THAT THIS WAS A SECURITY ISSUE AND THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED YOU TO PUT THE FENCE IN. MM-HMM, . WHAT PROMPTED YOU TO PUT THE FENCE IN, EXCUSE ME, WITH THIS DESIGN THAT WE DON'T SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR HISTORIC DISTRICT? HOW DID YOU COME ABOUT WITH THIS DESIGN? WELL, ACTUALLY I GOT, UH, THE DESIGN THAT I GOT IS FROM ONE OF THE HOUSES IN, UH, ANOTHER HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT'S JUST DRIVING AROUND AND THAT'S WHY I CAME UP WITH THAT DESIGN. AND DOES THIS ALIGN WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST? DOES IT ALIGN WITH THEIR FENCE? NO, BUT ALL THE OTHER FENCES ON THE STREET ALIGN PRETTY MUCH, DON'T THEY? AS FAR AS HEIGHT? YES. MM-HMM, . YEAH. YEAH. AND HOW MUCH HIGHER IS THIS ONE? ONE FOOT. ONE FOOT? MM-HMM, . OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GRU, DIDN'T YOU COME HERE FOR A ROOF? YES. OKAY. SO WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR ROOF, YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR PAINT, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THE OFFICE OF EXTRA FACIAL PAINTING FOR MANY THINGS. YOU'VE COME HERE, YOU KNEW THERE WERE GUIDELINES, RIGHT? JUST RECENTLY. BUT THIS, THIS FENCE WAS DONE BEFORE WE CAME IN FOR THE ROOF. SO, UM, STAFF WAS MADE AWARE OF THE BEGINNING OF THE FENCE CONSTRUCTION, UM, PRIOR TO, UM, RIGHT BEFORE THE HDRC HEARING. UM, IN [03:50:01] RELATION TO THE ROOF REQUEST, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, SOMEONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBMITTED A PHOTO SHOWING THAT THE FENCE WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. UM, ONCE STAFF RECEIVED THAT PHOTO, UH, STAFF ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER. AND SO, UM, WE WERE ALSO REALLY NICE WITH YOU ON THE ROOF. I REMEMBER WE EVEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MATERIAL, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NORMALLY DO. 'CAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT COST AND ALL THAT, AND YOU DIDN'T CARE TO MENTION ANY OF THAT. UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE FENCE TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HISTORICALLY APPROVED BUT LEAVING THE SIDEWALK WORK? SO COULD WE COME DOWN ON THE ROD IRON FENCE ON THE HEIGHT TO COMPLY WITH THE NEIGHBORS? WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING WHERE THE WOOD FENCE IS? LIKE IF WE LOOK AT THE, OH, THAT'S, WE LOOK AT THE STREET PICTURE. WHAT'S HAPPENING? LIKE HOW FAR DOES THIS GO? JUST THE FRONT? YEAH, IT'S JUST THE FRONT. OKAY, SO THERE'S A WOOD FENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE? YES. THAT'S SIX INCHES. THAT'S SIX. THAT'S SIX. YEAH. A REGULAR SIDE WOOD FENCE. OKAY. AND BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS IT'S FOUR FEET. WHAT IS THAT? YEAH, I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBORS IS FOUR FEET. WELL, IF YOU GO TO GOOGLE YOU CAN ACTUALLY, YEAH, WE SEE LIKE A WROUGHT IRON THAT MIGHT BE LIKE FOUR FEET AND THEN IT GOES BEHIND THE FRONT, IT GOES TO LIKE A SIX FEET. SO YOU COULD BASICALLY MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, I THINK WHEN YOU SAY ALIGN WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR FEET HIGHER ON THE FRONT, CORRECT? OH YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT A STANDARD, UM, FRONT FENCE IS SOMETHING THAT WE APPROVE. BUT I MEAN, ARE YOU OPEN TO THAT? SO YES, MY QUESTION WOULD BE DO I ONLY COME DOWN, CAN I ONLY COME DOWN ON THE IRON WORK TO COMPLY WITH THE FOUR FEET? NO, YOU WANNA LEAVE THE CONCRETE, RIGHT? NO. WELL, I MEAN, I, THAT WAS NOT WHAT I ASKED. I WAS, I THINK THE CONCRETE IS A PROBLEM. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S NON HISTORIC. I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA ASK FOR CONTINUANCE AND COME BACK WITH MORE, YOU SAY YOU FOUND THIS IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORS, BUT I MEAN, WE, I MEAN I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW LIKE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE NORMALLY APPROVE. IF IT WAS APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I MEAN, IN THIS STAGE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S AROUND THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT? THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL DO A MOTION AND WE'LL SEE. WE CAN GO TO DISCUSSION. OKAY. MOTION. SO APPROVE ITEM, UH, SORRY, JUST THE CONCRETE FRONT PORCH STEPS. WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RIGHT ITEM. SO LET ME GO UP REALLY QUICK. OKAY. LET ME GO, UM, APPROVE ITEM ONE, TWO THROUGH THREE AS SUBMITTED, AS DONE AS PRESENTED TODAY. DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, SECOND MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION. I MEAN, I, I, YOU CAN, I MEAN, DENIAL NUMBER FOUR JUST MEANS THAT YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, DO A METAL GATE WITH THE MASONRY PILLARS, WHICH YOU CAN COME BACK WITH ANOTHER OPTION IF YOU WANT. FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WANNA MODIFY IT OR IF YOU WANNA COME BACK OR GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR, YOU KNOW, JUSTIFY YOUR WORK. BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T MATCH THE HOUSE. YOU'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB ON THE HOUSE. I THINK WE WERE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE DID A GOOD JOB ON THE ROOF. YOU, WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT OF A ROOF THAT YOU FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE SAYING TO US THAT YOU'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY. SO MM-HMM, WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH FROM A ROOF MATERIAL THAT WE NOT NORMALLY EVEN, UM, APPROVE. SO I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE YOU THINK YOU, YOU WOULD, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATCH THE HOUSE EITHER, BUT IT GIVES YOU OPTIONS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SINO AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. BAZOOKA AYE. GIADA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SIR. YES, THIS IS THE ONE AGENDA ITEM 33 I BELIEVE HAS BEEN POSTPONED. SO AGENDA ITEM 34, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 34, UM, HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. UM, THEY, THEY POSTPONED PRETTY RECENTLY, SO, UM, DURING THE HEARING. OKAY, SO NEXT CASE PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 35 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 5 0 3 1 18. DANIEL, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A FOUR FEET TALL BLACK IRON FRONT YARD FENCE WITH A PEDESTRIAN [03:55:01] AND DRIVEWAY GATE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE FENCE AND GATE GATES HEIGHT DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET. TWO, THAT THE GATE, THAT THE DRIVEWAY GATE BE PLACED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. THE APPLICANT'S KAREN AND ROBERT MACIAS ARE HERE IN PERSON. THERE IS ONE LETTER, UH, JUST ONE SECOND. EXCUSE ME. THERE IS, YES, THERE IS ONE LETTER, UH, IN YOUR FILE AND THERE IS ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THE APPLICANT'S. COME FORWARD PLEASE. I'M KAREN MACIAS. THANK YOU FOR STAYING SO LATE TODAY. , THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. UM, OUR REQUEST WAS TO PUT A FOUR FOOT BROAD IRON FENCE AROUND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, INCLUDING THE DRIVEWAY WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A GATE OPENING, SLIDING GATE TO OPEN. UM, WE HEARD FROM BRIAN THAT THE GATE HAD TO BE UP EVEN WITH THE HOUSE AND WE REALLY WANTED IT WHERE WE COULD PULL OUR VEHICLE INTO THE DRIVEWAY. SECURITY WISE, UM, AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE FENCES. THEY ALL HAVE GATES ON THEIR DRIVEWAY AT THE SIDEWALK, NOT UP AT THEIR HOUSE. SO FOR US TO MOVE OURS UP TO THE PART OF THE HOUSE WOULD KIND OF MAKE IT LOOK NOT LIKE THE OTHER, THE OTHER FENCES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE HAD INCLUDED SOME PICTURES OF OUR NEIGHBOR'S FENCES AND THESE NEIGHBORS ARE IN YOUR BLOCK. THIS IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US RIGHT THERE. AND THAT HAS A SWINGING GATE. UHHUH . THE GATE IS OPEN RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. AND MR. CHAIR, IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER IN PERSON. OKAY? YES. ERIC LANDRY. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I'M ERIC YURI LANDRY. I OWN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AT 1 22 DANIEL STREET. AND MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT I HAVE A GAS METER THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE NOW FROM MY MONUMENT MARKER TO THAT EDGE OF THAT DRIVEWAY IS ABOUT NINE INCHES. AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IN A FOUR FOOT FOOT WROUGHT IRON FENCE THERE FROM THE FRONT OF MY GAS METER TO THE PROPERTY LINE. IT'S ONLY ABOUT 18 INCHES. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY TO MOW IT, TO MAINTAIN THE HOUSE, TO PAINT REPLACE BOARDS, BUT MAINLY ABOUT THE DISTANCE OF HAVING A WR IRON FENCE PERMANENTLY PLACED RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE METER AT SUCH A CLOSE DISTANCE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE AT THAT, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE DIGGING OF POST HOLES THERE WITH PROXIMITY TO THE GAS LINE. UM, ON THE 18TH OF DECEMBER, A CREW OF TWO PEOPLE CAME OUT AND WHEN I WENT OUT TO TALK TO THEM, THEY TOLD ME THEY WERE THERE TO INSTALL A WR IRON FENCE THAT DAY. I REMINDED THEM IT WAS A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I WAS EXTREMELY ALARMED THAT THEY MIGHT BE DIGGING POST HOLES SO CLOSE TO THE GAS METER. THEY WERE FROM A COMPANY CALLED, I BELIEVE, THE FIVE STAR MOBILE HOME RENOVATION COMPANY. SO, SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF INSTALLING A GATE THERE. AND EVEN IF IT WERE PUSHED BACK PAST THE FACADE OF ONE 18, IT'S RIGHT ABOUT LINED UP WHERE MY METER IS. SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, IS THE SAFETY AND THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY AND, AND PROXIMITY TO THE METER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF I COULD RESPOND TO THAT, UM, THE, THE, UM, GAS METER OF COURSE CPS WILL BE COMING OUT TO DOCUMENT WHERE ANY LINES ARE FOR THE FENCE TO GO IN. UM, AS WE HAVE SAID, THAT FENCE WILL BE OPEN. I MEAN, IT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT, UM, ANY ACCESS THAT THEY NEED TO THE GAS METER, WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO, TO GIVE ANY ACCESS THERE IS TO THAT. I BELIEVE THOSE METERS ARE READ ELECTRONICALLY THOUGH NOW. MY HUSBAND WORKED FOR CPS FOR 20 YEARS. THEY DON'T REALLY [04:00:01] HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT AT THIS POINT. OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION. OH, CAN I ONE MOMENT, SAY ONE MORE THING? YES, SIR. UM, WELL, WE'VE RECENTLY MOVED INTO THIS HOUSE IN JULY. MY NAME IS, UH, LARRY MACIAS. UH, THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR OVER 80 YEARS. I ACTUALLY WAS RAISED IN, I WAS RAISED IN THIS HOUSE AND WE HAVE LEFT AND COME BACK TO IT SINCE, UH, THE LAST PERSON PASSED AWAY JUNE OF THIS PAST YEAR. UH, OUR BIG THING HERE IS THE SECURITY OF THE HOUSE. WE HAVE SIX GRANDKIDS, YOUNG, SIX YEARS AND YOUNGER. UH, WE HAVE TWO DOGS. AND SINCE WE MOVED INTO THIS HOUSE, WE'VE HAD OUR CARS BROKEN IN TWICE AND WE ACTUALLY TODAY HAD THE POLICE OVER BECAUSE THEY HAD STOLE SOME OF OUR AMAZON WALMART DELIVERIES TODAY. SO FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. AND WHAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO IS NOT TO PUT SOMETHING ELABORATE AND ALL THAT. WE'RE PUTTING IN A WR IRON FENCING LIKE EXIST THROUGHOUT THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT. I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLY TO ALL THE REQUIREMENTS POSSIBLE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS AGO, AND I HAVE NO REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE NEXT TO US WAS BUILT SO CLOSE TO THAT PROPERTY LINE. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY DID THAT, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE THEM ANY EASEMENT AT ALL FOR BOTH SITES. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT IT FROM MORE OF A SAFETY SECURITY STANDPOINT AND ALSO TO MAKE THE HOUSE LOOK LIKE ALL THE OTHER HOUSES. YOU KNOW, OUR OUR PLAN IS THIS HAS BEEN IN OUR FAMILY FOR OVER 80 YEARS. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA LIVE LEAVE, THIS IS OUR FOREVER HOUSE. IT'S GONNA BE WITHIN MY FAMILY FOR HOPEFULLY 1800 YEARS FROM NOW. SO IF ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK ME. OKAY. I HAVE QUESTION. COMMISSIONER GROUP HAD A QUESTION. YEAH. SO I SEE THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE TO, TO THE RIGHT OF YOU, UH, THE NEIGHBOR HAS A FENCE. IS THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO? NOT THIS PICTURE THAT'S UP THERE RIGHT NOW IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. IT'S GONNA BE A METAL FENCE AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE A DECORATIVE FENCE. IT'S GONNA BE, UH, UH, I MEAN, IT KINDA GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT IT IS. WE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE IT TOO DECORATIVE. WE WANTED TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT AN EYESORE. I THINK THAT JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO JUSTIFY THE, THE AMOUNT OF FENCES THAT ARE AROUND YOUR HOUSE, WHICH I CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE GOOGLE MAP, BUT JUST ALSO LIKE HOW ARE YOU GONNA ATTACH TO THAT NEIGHBOR'S FENCE? UH, NOT QUITE. I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE NEIGHBOR, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA QUITE ATTACH TO IT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE'RE GONNA BUILD RIGHT NEXT TO IT, VERY CLOSE TO IT. OKAY. BUT ONLY ON THE FRONT, NOT ON THE SIDE. SO NOT THE SIDE DOESN'T NO, WE'RE WE'RE KEEPING THAT THEIR, THEIR FENCE IS STAYING THE SAME. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT GONNA PUT ANOTHER, UH, SOME FENCING ON THAT SIDE NEXT TO THE OTHER FENCING. OKAY. AND IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, HOW THE GUIDELINES AND THE STAFF STIPULATIONS IS THAT YOU KIND OF ROUND YOUR, UM, DRIVEWAY TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THEN NOW GOING TOWARDS YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND DO A GATE AT LEAST IF ONE CAR CAN STAY SECURE BEHIND A A DRIVEWAY, WE CAN BEHIND A FENCE. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE? WELL, THE THING, THE THING WAS, IS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD GET AN AUTOMATIC LIGHTING GATE EASE OPERATION TO EASE, TO GET IN AND OUT. IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO HAVE A SWINGING GATE THAT OPENS UP IN THAT DIRECTION. BUT I CAN TALK TO THE CONTRACTOR AND SEE IF HE CAN DO THAT. WHICH, YEAH, I MEAN IF YOU HAVE A CAR IN THERE, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CLOSE IT. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE OTHER WAY. IT HAS TO OPEN UP TOWARDS THIS WAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UH, THANK YOU. UM, CAN YOU TELL US EXACTLY WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST ON THIS? HOW FAR FROM YOUR, LET'S SAY HOW FAR FROM THE PAVING OF YOUR DRIVEWAY? I, IT'S PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR INCHES. OKAY. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT OR HAVE SOME IDEAS ON HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE GRASS IN THAT AREA? I THINK THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE, FOR CPS AND WHOEVER, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE USED TO TIGHT FITS, BUT THE MAINTENANCE IS IMPORTANT. YEAH. WELL WHAT WE WERE GONNA TRY TO DO IS GO RIGHT TO THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY. SO WE WEREN'T GONNA GO TO THE, UH, THE LINE, THE LINE. [04:05:01] WE WERE GONNA GO FURTHER IN THIS WAY. SO THAT WOULD PROVIDE STILL FULL AXIS LIKE THEY HAD BEFORE. AND I HAVE A QUESTION AND I, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IF WE DE IF WE WOULD MAKE THE GATE GO UP EVEN WITH THE HOUSE, THAT IT WOULD BE APPROVED THAT IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SIDE GATE. IT WAS JUST WE COULDN'T HAVE IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE SIDEWALK. IS THAT MY, IS THAT CORRECT? THE RECOMME RECOMMENDATIONS? RIGHT. SO OUR COMMENT FOR THE APPLICANT YEAH, I I UNDERSTAND STAFF STIPULATIONS ARE, WERE TO TAKE IT, UH, EVEN WITH THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE. IS THAT, DO YOU GUYS HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'S JUST THE FRONT YARD SPACE, LIKE THE HISTORIC FRONT YARD SPACE THAT IS ENCLOSED. UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE HISTORICALLY FENCES WOULD'VE BEEN. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD FENCES SPANNING THE DRIVEWAY. UM, AND SO THE APPLICANT IS SPECIFICALLY HERE TO GET THAT DRIVEWAY FENCE. THE REST IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, RIGHT BRIAN? YEAH, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHERE DO WE PUT THE , WHERE DO WE PUT THE GATE FOR, FOR THE DRIVEWAY? THAT'S BASICALLY IT BECAUSE OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THE REST WOULD BE APPROVED, THE FENCE ITSELF JUST WHERE WE WERE PLACING THE GATE. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. AND SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE GATE BE BACK BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE AND YOU'RE WANTING IT UP BY THE SIDEWALK. MM-HMM. WHERE THE FRONT YARD FENCE IS IN LINE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD FENCES OR ALL. OKAY. SO EARLIER I ASKED YOU IF YOU WOULD PUT IT FURTHER BACK AT LEAST SO YOU COULD HAVE ROOM FOR ONE CAR AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. THAT'S NOT A CASE. I WOULD'VE TO TALK TO OUR CO WE WOULD, YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK BECAUSE WE HAVE WANTED A SLIDING GATE, WHICH WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO WITH IT UP EVEN WITH THE HOUSE. BUT YOU COULD DO A SWINGING GATE THAT WOULD SWING OUT TOWARDS THE STREET. WE COULD, WHICH WOULD BE AUTOMATIC WOULD AND WOULD ALSO MAKE US NOT IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I GOT A QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UM, LOOKING AT THE IMAGE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW AND TO THE NEIGHBOR, IF THE FENCE STOPPED AT THE FRONT OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, THE CONDITION WHERE THE GRASS IS BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE HOUSE WOULD REMAIN AS IT IS NOW. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO DISPUTE THAT IF YOU WALK ON THAT GRASS, IT'S HIS GRASS. RIGHT? PART OF IT IS PART HALF OF IT. YEAH. SO, SO WHO MAINTAINS THAT RIGHT NOW? WHO CUTS THAT PIECE OF GRASS? THEY DO. OKAY. SO IF, IF YOUR FENCE STOPPED AT THE FRONT OF HIS HOUSE, THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT EITHER YOU WOULD LET HIM CUT THAT SWATH OF GRASS OR YOU WOULD CUT THE GRASS, RIGHT? RIGHT. HAS THERE BEEN ANY EFFORT TO MAKE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU OR TO COME TO AN ACCORD THAT, THAT YOUR OFFENSE, IF IT CAME TO THE FRONT, YOU GOT YOUR SLIDING GATE, BUT THE FENCE TURNED AT THE FRONT OF HIS HOUSE AND THE REST OF THE CONDITION REMAINED AS IT IS, WOULD THAT CAUSE A CONFLICT BETWEEN NEIGHBORS? YOU MEAN FOR THE FENCE TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE END OF HIS HOUSE THIS WAY AND NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE GARAGE? YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE YOUR MAIN, YOUR MAIN OBJECTIVE IS SAFETY, IS, UH, THEFT AND ALL THAT STUFF. AND THE, EVEN THE GARAGE IS THAT CLOSE TO THE HOUSE. MM-HMM. . AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO IF, IF YOUR FENCE WENT DOWN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND THEN TURNED AND SOMEHOW ADDRESSED EITHER THAT SIDE OF THE GAS METER OR THIS SIDE OF THE GAS METER, 'CAUSE NOWADAYS CPS DOES IT WITH A YEAH. THING, RIGHT? IS WOULD THAT CREATE A PROBLEM BETWEEN NEIGHBORS? MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS I GET A MOWER. EXCUSE ME SIR, WOULD YOU COME? WELL, THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING BECAUSE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE ENCLOSING YOUR GRASS, THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CUTTING THAT SWATH OF GRASS. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO MY ISSUE IS TRYING TO GET A MOWER OR EQUIPMENT BETWEEN THE GAS METER AND THE 18 OR 20 INCHES OF SPACE WHERE THE FENCE WOULD BE, OR EVEN A, A LADDER, YOU KNOW, AND NOT BUMPER, TAP THE METER OR REPAIR MY HOUSE OR PUT UP A LADDER IN THAT SPACE SIDEWAYS. IT'S PRETTY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 20 INCHES FROM THE METER TO THE FENCE. WELL, WELL BUT SEE THE THING IS THAT, THAT ON AN APPROVAL BASIS, IF THEY GO TO THE FRONT OF THEIR FENCE OF THEIR HOUSE WITH A FENCE THIS WAY THEY CAN DO THAT. RIGHT. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. AND AND YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER THAT, CORRECT? YES. RIGHT. BUT BUT IF THEY DON'T PUT THE FENCE THERE, THEN IT, IT ALLEVIATES THE PROBLEM OF OF, OF GETTING IN THERE TO MAINTAIN IT. BUT IT, THE ONUS OF IT FALLS ON YOUR NEIGHBORS NOT ON YOU. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. MR. CHAIR, WE'RE GETTING INTO DESIGNING AGAIN, SO LET'S PROCEED WITH A MOTION PLEASE, MR. CHAIR AND ALSO NEIGHBORHOOD. CAN WE I'LL DO A MOTION [04:10:01] THERE. NO FURTHER QUESTION. I WAS NO, NO, I DO MOTION. YEAH. WELL POINT OF PERSONAL, UM, A PRIVILEGE. I I, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T THINK THAT I'M DESIGNING IT. WE HAVE AN APPLICANT AND WE HAVE THE NEIGHBOR AND THAT ABSTRACT, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR THERE TO BE AN AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO AND FOR THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS TO BE, UH, ANSWERED. BUT OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE'S GONNA GAIN A RESPONSIBILITY THAT HERE BEFORE THE CITIZENS THAT, THAT ARE AGREED TO AGREEMENT BETWEEN NEIGHBORS COULD BE DONE OFFSITE BETWEEN THEMSELVES AND THEN COME BACK WITH YOUR PROPOSAL FOR YOUR GATE LOCATION. OR WE DEAL WITH THIS NOW I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS NUMBER ONE AND THAT THE DRIVEWAY GATE BE PLACED AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE SIDE GATE GOES RIGHT ALONG THE CONCRETE CURB. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. I'LL SECOND. SECOND. AND THE REASON WHY I, THIS TAKES CARE OF THIS TAKES CARE OF YOUR, YOUR FENCE AND THE GATE GIVES YOU ALL OF THE GRASS TO MOW ALL OF THAT AND YOU CAN WORK OUT THE ARRANGEMENT. BUT IN THAT CONTEXT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS, IN THAT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S SO MANY FENCES AND DRIVEWAY GATES THAT COME RIGHT UP TO THE STREET. YOU'RE WHAT, TWO, THREE LOTS OFF OF SOUTH FLORES. I MEAN THE TRAFFIC IS VERY DIFFERENT THERE THAN IN SOME OF OUR DISTRICTS. SO I SEE A REAL NEED FOR IT. AND UM, I THINK THESE FENCE UM, CASES ARE ALWAYS CHOCKFULL OF CONVERSATION, LITTLE MINUTE THINGS AND WE ALL HAVE OUR IDEAS OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SO I HOPE THIS GOES FAR. SO CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION TO SURE. TO UM, UM, UM, APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATION NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE FOUR FEET HEIGHT AS THE FOUR FOOT HEIGHT AND THAT THE EAST SIDE OF THE FENCE IS POSITIONED AT THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY. SO KIND OF AS PRESENTED. WELL, IT WOULDN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE. IT WOULD STOP AT THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY. YES. STOP AT THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY. THERE'S THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT GOES TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT'S THE REQUEST. OKAY. SECOND. SO WE HAD A SECOND. BEEN SECOND. THE OTHER DISCUSSION. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY. AYE. MOOKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.