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          [8:30 A.M. - Call to Order]
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          SO I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO WHEN YOU ARE. 
          UH, I THINK WE'RE LIVE NOW, SO GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. 
          UM, I'M COREY EDWARDS, DEPUTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER WITH THE CITY'S OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          UM, THIS IS THE VERY FIRST MEETING OF THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD, CT A FOR SHORT. 
          UM, SO WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THIS MEETING, KIND OF, WE, WE HAVE ENOUGH APPOINTMENTS NOW TO BEGIN MEETING WE, AND HAVE A QUORUM TO TAKE ACTION ON ITEMS, BUT WE, UM, ARE NOT HAVING ANY CASES REVIEWED TODAY. 
          INSTEAD, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, KIND OF GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER, UM, AND WE WILL BE PROVIDING A TRAINING, UH, SO THAT YOU'RE ALL WELL EQUIPPED TO GET GOING ONCE, UH, WE BEGIN REVIEWING CASES IN FEBRUARY. 
          UM, SO, UH, FIRST I THINK I WILL GO AHEAD AND INVITE, UM, OUR DIRECTOR, SHANNON MILLER, TO COME UP AND WELCOME YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU, COREY. 
          UM, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          AND, UM, I, I, I'VE MET ALL OF YOU NOW OFFICIALLY, BUT, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR AGREEING TO SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY TO, FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, I'M, I'M ALWAYS AMAZED THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WILLING TO DO IT, FRANKLY, SOMETIMES BECAUSE IT, IT IS, IT CAN BE A THANKLESS JOB, UH, TO BE A VOLUNTEER COMMISSIONER, BUT WE, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND, UM, I ALSO JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU WILL NOT FIND A STRONGER TEAM IN THE CITY THAN THE DESIGN REVIEW TEAM THAT'S IN THIS ROOM. 
          SO, UM, YOU'RE IN VERY GOOD HANDS. 
          THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND WE WORK REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AS, AS EASILY AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO YOU'LL FIND THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE VERY THOROUGH AND RESEARCHED AND FINDINGS ARE IN PLACE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY WHEN YOU GET THEM, UM, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED RIGHT THERE. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S AS AS SIMPLE FOR YOU AS POSSIBLE. 
          OBVIOUSLY, ONCE YOU START HEARING PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND EMOTIONS GET INVOLVED, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT LESS SIMPLE. 
          BUT, UM, BUT WE REALLY TRY TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO, UM, TO MAKE THE JOB AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND SO, UM, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU ALL. 
          UM, I AM NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE AT THE MEETINGS. 
          IN FACT, I HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER MEETING, UM, AT, AT CITY HALL IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          BUT I DO TRY TO JOIN ALL OF THE MEETINGS, AT LEAST VIRTUALLY. 
          AND SO YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE ME ON THE SCREEN, AND I KIND, I LISTEN ALONG AND I WILL COME SOMETIMES JUST TO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE. 
          BUT, UM, DEFINITELY REACH OUT IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND AGAIN, JUST THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN SPEAKING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW TEAM, I WILL PASS THIS AROUND AND ASK THEM ALL TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH EDWARD. 
          TELL US WHAT YOUR TITLE IS AND HOW LONG YOU'VE WORKED FOR OHP. 
          I'M EDWARD HALL. 
          I'M A DESIGN REVIEW MANAGER, AND I'VE BEEN WITH OHP FOR NINE AND A HALF YEARS. 
          MY NAME IS BRIAN MORALES. 
          UM, I AM A HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST, AND I'VE BEEN WITH OHP NOW FOR ONE YEAR AND A FEW DAYS IS, AND I AM RACHEL ALATA, SENIOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST. 
          I'VE BEEN WITH OHP, UM, FOUR YEARS AND A FEW MONTHS. 
          I AM CLAUDIA ESP ESPINOZA. 
          I'M A HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST, AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS IN ONE DAY. 
          I, I'M JESSICA ANDERSON. 
          I'M A SENIOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE SIX YEARS AND A FEW DAYS. 
          JANUARY WAS A BUSY TIME FOR HIRING, I THINK , AND I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE MET ALMA LOZANO. 
          BUT ALMA, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND KIND OF SPEAK TO YOUR, YOUR ROLE HERE. 
          HI, UM, ALMA LONO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          I'M HERE TO ASSIST YOU DURING THE MEETINGS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROCESS OR MOTIONS AND WHATNOT. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS, AND SO, UH, PRIOR TO SERVING OR ASSISTING WITH THE HISTORIC, UH, HDRC AND THIS COMMISSION, UM, I PROSECUTED AT MUNICIPAL COURT. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW ME. 
          I'M MEGAN LAZANO, THE, UH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST FOR THE TEAM. 
          I'VE BEEN WITH OHP FOR ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS. 
          UM, AND I'M THE BOARD LIAISON FOR HDRC AND CTA, AND I DO THE MINUTES FOR BOTH. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL PROBABLY BE HEARING A LOT FROM ME FOR ATTENDANCE AND OTHER BOARD RELATED THINGS YOU WILL. 
          UM, AND SO YOU'LL BE SEEING EMAILS FROM ALL OF US GENERALLY FOR SCHEDULING, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, BUT FOR LIKE, HERE'S THE LINK TO THE POSTED AGENDA AND CONFIRMING ATTENDANCE. 
          THAT'S USUALLY GONNA BE MEGAN, SO SHE'LL BE A, A PRIMARY CONTACT FOR YOU. 
          UM, AND I'VE MET YOU ALL, UM, WHEN YOU WERE ALL APPOINTED JUST THROUGH YOUR INITIAL ORIENTATION, BUT YOU WERE ALL KIND OF MEETING EACH OTHER FOR THE FIRST TIME. 
          SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN THE LINE AND YOU CAN ALL, UH, SHARE, UM, UH, YOUR BACKGROUND AND, UM, WHAT BRINGS YOU TO THE COMMISSION, STARTING WITH MIKE . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OH, YOU GOTTA HOLD IT DOWN. 
          YOU DO HAVE TO HOLD THAT BUTTON WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING. 
          ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD. 
          GREEN LIGHT SHOULD BE ON. 
          YEP. 
          UH, MIKE SETZER, UM, VICE PRESIDENT OF CORPORATE SALES AND RETENTION FOR 
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THE SPURS. 
          UH, BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, GREW UP ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF TOWN. 
          UM, WENT TO SMALL HIGH SCHOOL, WEST CAMPUS, WHICH WAS PART OF THE SOUTH END DISTRICT THAT UNFORTUNATELY JUST CLOSED AGAIN, OPENED AND THEN CLOSED, AND THEN IT'S CLOSED. 
          SO, UH, BUT, UH, I THINK, UH, I'M MARRIED, UM, TO MY HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEART. 
          I HAVE TWO BOYS, 25 AND 20. 
          UM, AND I'VE BEEN WITH DISPERSE 20 YEARS. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SERVING ON THIS TYPE OF BOARD IN THIS CAPACITY. 
          SO, UM, REALLY INTERESTED IN LEARNING AND, AND HELPING WHEREVER I CAN. 
          HI, I AM JASON VASQUEZ, AND I'M, UH, THE DISTRICT SEVEN APPOINTEE. 
          I AM SO GLAD TO BE HERE AND TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, LANDMARKS, AND CITY OWNED PROPERTIES ACROSS THE TOWN. 
          UM, I HAVE A STEEP INTEREST IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND I'VE LIVED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT ALL MY LIFE, MINUS, WELL, TWO YEARS, AND I'M REALLY GLAD TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE MISSION OF OHP. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          I'M RAY FLORES, UM, REPRESENTING DISTRICT ONE. 
          I, UH, I'M SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AT PORT SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, I'VE SAT ON A FEW CITY BOARDS IN THE PAST, UM, SO I'M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR. 
          I USED TO SIT UP HERE AT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, BUT, SO WE, HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION IS IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY. 
          I'VE ALWAYS LIVED IN HISTORIC HOUSES. 
          I USED TO LIVE IN A HISTORIC HOUSE IN DISTRICT SEVEN, AND NOW I LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE. 
          UM, SO, UH, AND OF COURSE IN MY, UH, DAY JOB OVER AT PORT SAN ANTONIO, WE HAVE A LOT OF HISTORICAL ASSETS THAT WE, UH, TRY TO WORK AS HARD AS WE CAN TO PRESERVE. 
          SO, UM, HAPPY TO BE HERE AND, UH, HAPPY TO JOIN YOU. 
          NICE TO MEET YOU GUYS. 
          HI EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS KAREN BURGARD. 
          I AM AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, UM, IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CURRICULUM AND INSTRUCTION AT TEXAS A AND M UNIVERSITY SAN ANTONIO. 
          I REPRESENT DISTRICT THREE. 
          UM, THIS IS MY FIRST, UM, BOARD APPOINTMENT. 
          AND, UM, MY, UM, RESEARCH INTERESTS ACTUALLY ARE, UM, HISTORIC SITES AND, UM, PUBLIC HISTORIES. 
          UM, AND MY, MY DOCTORAL WORK IS IN CURRICULUM AND INSTRUCTION AND HISTORIC SITES. 
          OH, IT'S GREAT TO MEET YOU ALL. 
          HELLO, EVERYONE. 
          I'M CHRISTOPHER FULLERTON. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          HOW ABOUT NOW? ALRIGHT, UH, CHRISTOPHER FULLERTON, UH, APPOINTEE FOR D EIGHT. 
          UM, MY BACKGROUND, UH, WELL, I GREW UP IN SOUTHWEST GEORGIA, UH, AND GOT TO SEE MY HOMETOWN SYSTEMATICALLY, UH, DESTROYED, UH, FOR, UH, A QUOTE UNQUOTE URBAN REDEVELOPMENT, UH, PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS PAINFUL. 
          SO IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE WHICH HOUSES WERE KEPT AND, AND, AND BUILDINGS AND HOW THEY'VE BEEN REPURPOSED OVER THE YEARS. 
          UH, I, UH, GOT AN UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE IN HISTORY AND THEN WENT ON TO, UH, SCHOOL AT UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA TO GET A LAW DEGREE IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MASTERS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONNECT SOME OF THESE, UM, THE POLICY SIDE AND, AND THE, THE PRACTICE SIDE. 
          AND THEN GOT MARRIED AND, AND WE ENDED UP SEEING THE COUNTRY MOVING TO NINE DIFFERENT, NINE DIFFERENT STATES. 
          UM, BUT ONE OF THE, THE, THE UPSIDES TO THAT WAS LEARNING HOW VIBRANT AND UNIQUE EACH OF THOSE PLACES WERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES RURAL, SOMETIMES UH, URBAN, SOMETIMES SUBURBAN, AND, AND WHAT SEEMED TO, YOU KNOW, BRING OUT THE LOCAL FLAVORS. 
          AND, UH, FOR ME, THE ONES THAT WERE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ARE ONES THAT HAD FOUND WAYS OF CELEBRATING THEIR LOCAL CULTURAL HISTORY AND THEIR LOCAL, UH, BUILT HISTORY AND FINDING A WAY OF CONTINUING TO REINTERPRET THAT. 
          SO IT WAS A JOY TO LAND IN SAN ANTONIO AND SEE HOW MUCH HAS BEEN DONE HERE AND TO, UH, BENEFIT FROM ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE BEFORE. 
          AND I, UH, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE TEAM, UH, THAT'S BEEN DOING ALL THAT. 
          AND I HOPE I CAN DO WHAT LITTLE I CAN TO HELP, UH, AND, AND HELP OUR TWO SEVEN YEAR OLDS SEE THAT AS WE, AS THEY GROW UP. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS JUANITA . 
          UM, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING ABLE TO SERVE ON OTHER BOARDS AND OTHER FOUNDATIONS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          MY BACKGROUND IS THE MARINE CORPS. 
          I DID LOGISTICS AND, UH, SUPPLY CHAIN, MY DEGREES, STEM, EVERYTHING FROM A MASTER'S IN SCIENCE IN EDUCATION, AND NOW BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION. 
          I BELIEVE IN NOT JUST BUILDING FORWARD, BUT BEING ABLE TO PRESERVE WHAT WE'RE BUILDING. 
          NEVER FORGET WHERE WE CAME FROM. 
          THERE WAS A BOOK THAT HAD THE PLEASURE OF READING IN ELEMENTARY THAT SAYS, IN ORDER TO KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHERE YOU'VE BEEN. 
          AND IF WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OVER OUR HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, 
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SITES, WE LOSE SIGHT OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE AND BE ABLE TO LEARN FROM EVERYONE ELSE AND HAVE THAT OPEN MIND TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PRESERVE OUR SAN ANTONIO CULTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M BRIAN SMITH HERE VIRTUALLY. 
          HEY, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          I HAVE TO FESS UP. 
          I'M AT STARBUCKS GETTING OFF ON MY WAY TO MY NEXT STOP. 
          UM, I'M RETIRED, OF COURSE, UH, LIVED ALL OVER THE WORLD. 
          UM, MY, UM, I, MY KIDS SAY I NEED TO STOP GONNA SCHOOL. 
          I'VE GOT A, A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, MASTER'S AND A DOCTORATE. 
          ONE OF 'EM A AND M, ONE OF 'EM IS UNIVERSITY INCARNATE WARD, A MASTER'S. 
          THEY DID MY DOCTORATE HERE IN TOWN AT, UH, UH, UT SA UH, MY INTEREST, UH, I'VE SERVED ON A COUPLE BOARDS BEFORE. 
          I'VE SERVED AS, UH, CASA BEFORE. 
          UH, I, UH, STARTED MY COLLEGE CAREER IN HOUSTON NEAR RICE UNIVERSITY. 
          AND LIKE THE, THE MARINE THAT I STARTED OUT, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD RUN EVERY DAY, PAST THE STADIUM AND THROUGH ALL THOSE BEAUTIFUL HOMES, IF YOU DRIVE THERE NOW, THEY'RE TEARING THOSE THINGS DOWN AND THEY'RE BUILDING THESE UGLY BOXES, AND I JUST DON'T LIKE THOSE THINGS. 
          UH, I WAS ALSO RAISED OUTSIDE NEW ORLEANS, SO I APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MAINTAINING CULTURE, WHICH IS WHAT ATTRACTED ME TO THIS WHEN MY COUNCIL PERSON BROUGHT IT UP. 
          AND, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I'VE GOT, UH, THREE KIDDOS AND, UH, I WORK IN THE SEMICONDUCTOR INDUSTRY NOW, SO PRETTY GOOD PLACE IN LIFE. 
          AND THE CITY'S IN A PRETTY GOOD PLACE TOO, I THINK. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO LET'S, LET'S MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, SO JUST TO RECAP, THIS IS A NEW CITY BOARD, UM, TO WORK IN CONCERT WITH THE HDRC. 
          UM, THIS WAS REALLY GENERATED OUT OF THE 2021 UDC AMENDMENTS, UM, WITH THE GOAL OF SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO TO ALLEVIATE THE CASELOAD AT THE FULL HDRC. 
          UM, WE WERE HERE FOR ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF HOURS ON WEDNESDAY, UH, REVIEWING 35 CASES. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS A TIME WHEN 30 TO 40 CASES IS SORT OF THE NORM. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE LEVELED OUT A LITTLE BIT OVER THE PAST YEAR. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, LIKE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A SUSTAINABLE MODEL FOR OUR VOLUNTEER COMMISSIONERS. 
          AND SO SPREADING OUT THE CASELOAD WAS ONE OF THE, THE, THE STRATEGIES THAT WE INTRODUCED THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL BE REVIEWING AND, UH, RECOMMENDING CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AS DISCUSSED IN YOUR ORIENTATIONS. 
          UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE ITEMS OF A TECHNICAL NATURE. 
          AND I'LL GO IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THOSE TYPES OF REQUESTS ARE HERE LATER. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE SECOND, UH, UH, UH, BOARD AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH THE HCRC. 
          UM, YOU'RE NOT A RECOMMENDING BOARD TO THE HCRC, YOU'RE NOT SUPPORT TO THE HCRC. 
          YOU'RE REALLY A SEPARATE BOARD. 
          AND SO, UH, THE DECISION OF WHICH CASES GO WHERE, UM, IS REALLY IS, IS INCLUDED IN THE UDC AMENDMENTS. 
          UM, AND I'VE GOT, UM, UH, A HANDOUT THAT I'LL SHOW THAT KIND OF, UH, PROVIDES THAT INFORMATION, UH, SO THAT OUR CUSTOMERS IMPORTANTLY WILL KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE PROCESS. 
          SO THEY CAN EXPECT IF I SUBMIT THIS TYPE OF REQUEST, HERE'S WHERE IT'S GONNA GO AND HERE'S WHAT CALENDAR IT FOLLOWS. 
          UM, AND GENERALLY IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME STAFF. 
          AND SO OUR DESIGN REVIEW TEAM ALSO MANAGES CASES FOR THE HT RC. 
          UM, AS THINGS PROGRESS IN THE NEXT YEAR, WE KIND OF SEE HOW THINGS GO. 
          WE MIGHT HAVE SPECIFIC STAFF THAT OUR REVIEWING THE, THE CT TTAB CASES. 
          UM, BUT FOR NOW IT'S SORT OF ALL HANDS ON DECK WHILE WE FIGURE THIS OUT. 
          UM, SO HERE'S WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO. 
          AND SO, UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE HDRC IS MEETING TWICE A MONTH. 
          UM, THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO REVIEW KIND OF DESIGN QUESTIONS. 
          AND SO WHAT CAN NEW BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE? UM, IS SOMETHING IS DEMOLISHED, WHAT CAN BE REPLACED WITH, UM, ADDITIONS, UH, ALTERATIONS, SIGNIFICANT ALTERATIONS TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES. 
          UM, AND THEN ALL OF THE OTHER THING IS LIKE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION, DEMOLITION REVIEW, UM, UH, TAX INCENTIVES AND SIGNAGE AND, UH, WORK ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. 
          UM, THE TECHNICAL NATURE OF THE C TTAB IS GONNA BE CHANGES TO MATERIALS. 
          AND SO SPECIFICALLY CHANGES TO ROOFING MATERIAL, SIDING MATERIAL, UM, THINGS LIKE SKIRTING AND PORCH MATERIALS. 
          UM, WINDOW OR DOOR REPLACEMENT, WINDOW REPLACEMENT IS A BIG ITEM. 
          AND SO WE'LL SPEND A LOT OF TIME KIND OF, UH, EXPLORING THAT, UM, SO THAT YOU ARE CONFIDENT REVIEWING THOSE CASES AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, SIDE ELEMENTS. 
          AND SO, UH, CHANGING THINGS IN THE PUBLIC REALM LIKE DRIVEWAYS AND SIDEWALKS AND LANDSCAPING. 
          UM, ALSO COME TO REVIEW, UM, TREATMENT OF LIKE THE TECHNICAL TREATMENT OF THINGS LIKE MASONRY, SO PAINTING MASONRY OR PLASTER SPECIFICATIONS FOR CERTAIN PROPERTIES. 
          UM, WE HAD A CASE LAST YEAR WHERE THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT LIKE ORIGINAL PLASTER AND WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT IS THE BEST TREATMENT FOR A COLLEGIATE STONE STRUCTURE. 
          AND SO THERE WE DO GET IN THE WEEDS SOMETIMES IN THAT TECHNICAL SENSE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, UH, COMPLIANCE, THE C OF C TTAB IS WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL. 
          AND SO UNFORTUNATELY WHAT WE DO OUR BEST TO NOTIFY PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THEY ARE DESIGNATED HISTORIC AND THAT THERE IS A PROCESS FOR OBTAINING APPROVAL BEFORE THEY DO WORK, 
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WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL DOES HAPPEN. 
          AND SO WE, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO REMIT THAT, UM, THROUGH FIRST SEEKING APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND THERE IS A PATH FORWARD THROUGH MUNICIPAL COURT IF IT, IF IT COMES TO THAT. 
          BUT FIRST, THE FIRST STEP IS COMING HERE AND TRYING TO FIND WHAT THE RESOLUTION IS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES WHERE WORK IS ALREADY DONE, MAYBE ORIGINAL MATERIAL HAS BEEN REMOVED. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COMPROMISE IS OR THE BEST, UH, WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IS. 
          UM, SO WE DID OUR INTRODUCTIONS. 
          UM, I'VE SHARED THIS WITH YOU BY EMAIL, BUT THIS IS THE CURRENT ROSTER. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE FOUR VACANCIES STILL FOR THE C TTAB. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE STILL SLOWLY CONTINUING TO COME IN. 
          UM, IT TOOK ALL YEAR FOR THE SEVEN OF YOU TO GET APPOINTMENTS, SO I THINK IT COULD TAKE ANOTHER FEW MONTHS TO KIND OF GET WHERE WE HAVE A FULL ROSTER. 
          BUT WE DO WANNA BEGIN MEETING, UM, NOW THAT WE DO HAVE ENOUGH A QUORUM, UM, I WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF THIS. 
          SORRY, LEMME GO BACK AND AGAIN. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE JEFF FETZER IS THE CHAIR FOR THE HCRC. 
          MONICA ZAINO IS THE VICE CHAIR. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE VACANCIES, UH, FOR THE DISTRICT TWO, A DISTRICT NINE C TAB. 
          UM, THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHERE WE DO HAVE A MATCH, YOU CAN SERVE AS AN ALTERNATE FOR YOUR HCRC MEMBER. 
          UM, THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME CASES THAT COME TO THE HCRC THAT REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY. 
          AND SO THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE NEED THAT FULL, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IN A SEAT IN ORDER TO TAKE ACTION ON THOSE CERTAIN ITEMS. UM, AND THEN I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, LIKE, WE'LL WORK THAT OUT WITH YOU AS THEY COME UP. 
          AND SO WHAT ME AND MEGAN HAVE DISCUSSED IS EVERY TIME WE SEND THE AGENDA OUT, YOU'RE ALL GONNA GET THE INFORMATION. 
          AND WE'LL SEND, WE'LL SEND THIS IMAGE AND WE'LL HIGHLIGHT WHO IS WHO WE KNOW IS GONNA BE AN ALTERNATES, JUST SO IT'S CLEAR. 
          SO YOU ALL KNOW WHO TO EXPECT AT WHAT MEETINGS OR IF YOU'RE NEEDED SOMEWHERE. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, WE ARE GOING TO SEEK ELECTION OF OFFICERS SO THAT WHEN WE MEET IN FEBRUARY, WE WILL HAVE A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO PROCEED OVER THE MEETING. 
          UM, SO WE'VE DONE INTRODUCTIONS. 
          UM, I DID, UH, ASK YOU ALL IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN SERVING. 
          SOME OF YOU ARE NOT JUST DUE TO CONCERN WITH SCHEDULE AND, AND THOSE SORT OF FACTORS. 
          UM, UH, JUANITA HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST JUST BECAUSE SHE DOES HAVE BOARD EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, AND CHRIS HAS ALSO EXPRESSED INTEREST AND WILLINGNESS TO SERVE, UH, IN AN OFFICER CAPACITY. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO THROW THEIR HAT IN THE RING BEFORE WE KIND OF START DISCUSSING MR. VASQUEZ? OKAY. 
          UM, IS ANYBODY MORE COMFORTABLE SERVING AS VICE-CHAIR VERSUS CHAIR, OR DOES IT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE? VICE CHAIR. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT KIND OF ALL ON THE TABLE, UM, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE AS MUCH DISCUSSION AS WE WANT. 
          UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN, UM, NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL NOMINATE JUANITA VEDA SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I HAVE A, UM, A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR, UH, JUANITA AS CHAIR. 
          UM, BECAUSE HER APPOINTMENT IS NOT FINAL. 
          UM, THIS WAS, UH, UH, THE ACTION IS THAT SHE WOULD BE ELECTED OR APPOINTED. 
          WHAT DID WE AGREE UPON? APPOINTMENT, PENDING APPOINTMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WILL ELECT VICE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR WOULD PRESIDE OVER THE NEXT ITEM. 
          SO, UM, WE'LL DO THIS QUICKLY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY, AYE, RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          AND MR. SMITH, I'LL NEED YOU TO UNMUTE AND DO THE SAME. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, AND I HEAR NO NAYS, SO CONGRATULATIONS. 
          UM, AND NOW I WILL ENTERTAIN NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR. 
          I'D LIKE TO SERVE AS VICE CHAIR. 
          DO I HAVE A NOMINATION? SECOND? WELL, SO, OH, I'LL, I'LL MOVE, UH, TO NOMINATE JASON VASQUEZ FOR VICE CHAIR. 
          OKAY, WE'VE GOT A MOTION. 
          I'LL TAKE YOUR SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE, MR. SMITH? AYE. 
          ALRIGHT, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE OUR FIRST AVENUE OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE 2024 SCHEDULE. 
          AND LET ME NAVIGATE TO THAT. 
          EDWARD. 
          EDWARD, CAN YOU HELP ME HERE? IT'S, NO, I'M GONNA GET THIS ON THE SCREEN AND EXPLAIN. 
          UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ROUTINELY DOING THE THIRD WEDNESDAYS, THE HDRC MEETS ON THE FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAYS. 
          AND SO WE WANTED THIS MEETING TO KIND OF FALL AFTER THAT SECOND HCRC MEETING OF EVERY MONTH. 
          UM, WHAT IN REALITY, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR AND LOOKED AT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, IT WASN'T ALWAYS GONNA BE THE THIRD FRIDAY, IT WAS SOMETIMES THE SECOND, SOMETIMES THE FOURTH, JUST DEPENDING ON WHEN THAT FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH WAS. 
          UM, AND THE REASON THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IT TO WHERE IT'S ALWAYS FOLLOWING THAT THIRD ONE IS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SIMILAR APPLICATION DEADLINES. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, LIKE THE APPLICATION DEADLINE FOR, UM, THE NEXT HTRC HEARING IS JANUARY 19TH, SO THAT'S TODAY. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE SAME DEADLINE FOR THE NEXT CTA, WHICH MEETS ONCE A MONTH. 
          AND SO IF YOU 
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FOLLOW THAT SCHEDULE DOWN, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE GOT THE APPLICATION DEADLINE ALIGNING WITH THOSE DATES. 
          IT'S JUST THAT THE CTA IS NOT ALWAYS TECHNICALLY GONNA BE THE THIRD WEDNESDAYS. 
          AND SO, UM, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS SCHEDULE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PUT ALL THESE ON YOUR CALENDAR, SUCH YOU HAVE THEM. 
          UM, IT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OR THIRD FRIDAY OF THE MONTH. 
          IS THERE A GOOD COMFORT LEVEL WITH THAT? I KNOW THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT INITIALLY, BUT I THINK AS LONG AS IT'S PLANNED OUT, WE CAN MANAGE THAT. 
          UM, I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE CALENDAR AS WRITTEN FOR THE H-D-R-C-T-A-B SECOND, UH, I'LL, I KNOW WE HAVE A CHAIR NOW, BUT I ACTUALLY THE VICE CHAIR WOULD NEED TO CALL FOR CALL FOR VOTES. 
           A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          AYE, AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE, AYE. 
          ALRIGHT, WE MOTION PASSES. 
          UM, IT'S FINE. 
          UH, NORMALLY FOR INDIVIDUAL CASES, BECAUSE WE ARE HIGH HYBRID, AND THIS IS WHY JASON ASKS FOR A ROLL CALL, IS THAT, WE'LL, WE WILL GO DOWN THE LINE SO THAT IT'S CLEAR LIKE WHO'S ALL VOTING WHAT, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR VIRTUAL, UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, BUT FOR THIS, IT'S FINE. 
          JUST A SIMPLE, SIMPLE I, UM, SO APPROVED. 
          UM, WE WILL UPDATE THE WEBSITE WITH THIS INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, THIS INFORMATION WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY APPLYING FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          UM, AND THEN IT'S STAFF'S JOB TO REALLY ALERT THE APPLICANT TO, UH, WHEN TO EXPECT, UH, ACTION FROM A COMMISSION DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE IT'S GOING TO. 
          CAN I ASK A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? OF COURSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WITH, WITH THE HDRC ONES WHERE WE MAY SERVE AS ALTERNATES, AND I KNOW A FEW OF US HAVE A COUPLE OF TIMES, HOW MUCH IN ADVANCE WILL WE KNOW? AND I KNOW I HAD EMAILED YOU AND EDWARD A COUPLE OF TIMES, THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF EMAILS COMING THROUGH OVER THE HOLIDAYS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND I WAS ACCEPTING THEM ALL, BUT I KNOW THAT I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO GO TO THEM ALL. 
          SO CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT? LIKE HOW MUCH IN ADVANCE WILL KNOW IF WE NEED TO BE AT THOSE MEETINGS? WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST. 
          UM, AND REALLY IT DEPENDS ON THAT COMMISSIONER, THE HDRC COMMISSIONER TO ALERT US. 
          THEY HAVE THE CALENDAR IN ADVANCE AS WELL. 
          AND SO, UM, A LOT OF THEM ARE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT LETTING US KNOW IN ADVANCE, UM, THE AVAILABILITY OF ALTERNATES IS NEW TO THEM TOO. 
          AND SO THEY'RE NOT AUTOMATICALLY THINKING LIKE, OH, I NEED TO PLAN AHEAD AND DO THAT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT NOW WE HAVE THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE AND SO IT'S GONNA IMPROVE OVER TIME. 
          UM, AND JUST THE OTHER THING WITH THE EMAILS, SO YOU WILL ALL GET ALL EMAILS AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, SO SOMETIMES IT WILL BE AN EMAIL TO THE HTRC, BUT I'M GOING TO COPY EVERYBODY SO THAT YOU HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND WE'RE GONNA BE SHARING THAT ROSTER. 
          AND SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, LIKE WHO IS EXPECTED TO ATTEND VERSUS NOT. 
          AND THEN WE CAN WORK ON ALTERNATES IF THAT'S THE CASE. 
          SO IF WE DON'T RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM YOU, LIKE SAY THE TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY, AN HOUR BEFORE, TWO HOURS BEFORE, IT'S TO BE ASSUMED THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. 
          YEAH, I DON'T, WE WOULD HOPEFULLY KNOW BY THE TIME THE AGENDA'S POSTED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU MORE THAN HOPEFULLY ONE OR TWO DAYS NOTICE. 
          OF COURSE, COREY, WAS IT, UH, WHEN, OR, BUT THE AGENDAS ARE POSTED ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE HCRC? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO YES, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE HABIT OF POSTING BOTH THE HCRC AND THE C TTAB AGENDAS ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE THAT THIRD WEEK, AND THEN ALSO, SO YOU'LL GET EXTRA TIME TO REVIEW YOUR ITEMS. I THINK THE WAY IT'S, AT LEAST IT'S BEEN WORKING FOR WHEN I'VE FILLED IN IS, UH, YOU'LL ASK THE HDRC COMMISSIONER ON THE MONDAY BEFORE AND THEN YOU'LL USUALLY NOTIFY, OR THIS LAST TIME, WELL, WE, MEGAN WILL START MAKING HER PHONE CALLS IF WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU. 
          AND SO, UM, PLEASE BE PROACTIVE. 
          UM, IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T ATTEND, LIKE LET US KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IF, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND AS THE BACKUP TO, UM, THE HDRC, WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THAT SITUATION LOOK LIKE? WE'LL JUST HAVE AN EMPTY C AND AND THAT'S FINE. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS, SO . 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, LET'S, LET'S DIVE IN HERE. 
          I'LL TAKE THIS BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I WANNA KEEP THIS CONVERSATIONAL. 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA BE GOING THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THE APPLICABLE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND POLICY GUIDES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE HCRC THAT INFORM HOW WE REVIEW THESE COAS AND HOW WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, I'VE SAID THIS ALL TO YOU, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE OUTCOMES HERE AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL ARE CONSISTENT. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE, GOOD COMMISSION PRACTICE, UM, SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND THAT HELPS US DO OUR JOBS TOO, IS 'CAUSE WE WANT TO REALLY SET THOSE EXPECTATIONS. 
          UH, WE WANT IT TO BE PREDICTABLE, UM, AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO WHEN THEY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION. 
          UM, FOR SOMETHING, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT WHEN SOMEBODY HAS ALREADY STARTED SPENDING MONEY ON AN IDEA OR THEY STARTED EMOTIONALLY GOING IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION THAT WE KNOW IS NOT GONNA BE APPROVED. 
          AND SO WE REALLY TRY TO GET AHEAD OF THOSE ISSUES AND PROVIDE 
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AS MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE ON THE FRONT END OF THE PROCESS. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE REALLY KINDA, THE ITEMS WE'LL WE'LL COVER TODAY IS ROOFING SPECIFICATIONS. 
          THERE'S A VERY STANDARD KIND OF ROOFING SPECIFICATION AND INSPECTION PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS FOR HISTORIC ROOFS. 
          UM, THERE ARE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS. 
          UM, THIS IS A, A VERY KIND OF TRICKY GRAY AREA WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF KIND OF ROOM FOR, UM, VARIETY AND, AND DIFFERENT TASTE LEVELS AND DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT HISTORIC FRONT LAWN SHOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT HISTORIC LANDSCAPE LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME. 
          AND NOW WITH CLIMATE CHANGE AND OTHER KIND OF FACTORS, UM, WE ARE SEEING DIFFERENT TYPES OF REQUESTS THAT, THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T EXPECT WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          AND SO SOME THINGS ARE, ARE PERFECTLY FINE, SOME THINGS AREN'T, AND WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF FIND THAT BALANCE OF, OF WHAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS. 
          UM, THIS IS ALSO KIND OF A GROWING THING, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S MORE AND MORE PRODUCTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UM, THAT ARE INCLUDING RECYCLED CONTENT OR ARE SUSTAINABLE, UM, AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE WOOD. 
          UM, SO TYPICALLY THE STANDARDS WOULD REQUIRE IF YOU'RE REPLACING WOOD ON A PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE GOING BACK IN WITH WOODS. 
          IT'S A MATCHING IN KIND MATERIAL. 
          BUT THERE ARE MORE AND MORE PRODUCTS THAT ARE NOT WOOD, BUT ARE PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD IN TERMS OF APPEARANCE. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES THEY'RE APPROPRIATE, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT, JUST DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH AND, AND SHOW YOU, UH, WHAT IS TYPICALLY RECOMMENDED. 
          UM, I PROMISED I WOULD TALK ABOUT WINDOWS, THAT IS FOR SURE GONNA HAPPEN. 
          UM, AND THEN ALONGSIDE THAT IS A SUSTAINABILITY COMPONENT. 
          TYPICALLY THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT IS PEOPLE SEEKING TO INCREASE THE COMFORT OF THEIR HOMES, WHICH IS FINE. 
          WE WANT EVERYBODY TO FE BE COMFORTABLE AND SAFE IN THEIR HOMES. 
          UM, BUT FULL WHOLESALE WINDOW REPLACEMENT ISN'T ALWAYS THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          SOMETIMES REPLACEMENT IS APPROPRIATE, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S NOT. 
          UM, SO WE WILL KIND OF EXPLAIN, UH, WINDOWS RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MADE AND, AND WHAT INFORMS THEM. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY THE PROCESS FOR VIOLATIONS. 
          HOW THEY COME TO US, HOW WE REVIEW THEM, HOW THEY END UP IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          UM, I'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THAT. 
          UM, I'M GONNA DO MY BEST. 
          IT IS NINE 15. 
          UM, I'LL TRY TO GET OUTTA HERE BY 10. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE TIME NOW TO ANSWER THOSE. 
          OR IF YOU LEAVE HERE AND YOU THINK OF SOMETHING, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT. 
          UM, AND WE CAN, WE CAN GET THOSE ANSWERED. 
          THIS IS A LITTLE HARD WITH A SCREEN OVER THERE. 
          WHERE'S ALL THE DOCUMENTS? THERE'S ANOTHER I HAVE TO CLICK ON. 
          SO EDWARD HAS PULLED ALL OF THIS UP FOR ME. 
          UM, THIS IS WHERE THAT MEETING SCHEDULE'S GONNA LIVE. 
          UM, WHEN SOMEBODY HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST AND IT'S PENDING REVIEW BY COMMISSION, IT GOES HERE. 
          AND SO ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN COME IN, UH, THEY CAN SEE WHAT HAS BEEN SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THIS IS GONNA INCLUDE HCRC AND C TTAB. 
          UM, SO IF THEY JUST GO AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING, UM, YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN HERE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT COUNCIL DISTRICT IS IN, WHAT THE ADDRESS IS, AND THEN WHAT MATERIALS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. 
          UM, THIS IS NOT THE FINAL AGENDA. 
          THIS IS JUST GIVING THE PUBLIC A HEADS UP SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO REVIEW EVERYTHING IN THE THREE DAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO REVIEW SOMETHING, UH, BETWEEN THE POSTED AGENDA AND THE COMMISSION HEARING. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT, THAT BACKGROUND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SINCE 2012, THE CITY HAS ADOPTED HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UM, MOST CITIES HAVE DONE THIS. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S GOOD PRESERVATION PRACTICE IN GENERAL. 
          IT ALLOWS CITIES TO ADOPT THE LARGER, UH, FEDERAL LEVEL GUIDELINES AS SOMETHING THAT WORKS LOCALLY AND MEETS KIND OF THE LOCAL POLICY AND NEEDS OF THE, OF THE LOCAL PUBLIC. 
          UM, BUT GENERALLY THESE ARE ALL BASED ON, ON ADOPTED STANDARDS. 
          THE US SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. 
          UM, AND SO THOSE ARE ARE 10 KIND OF BULLET LINE ITEMS THAT TELL US HOW TO TREAT PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDERGOING A REHABILITATION. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO STANDARDS FOR PRESERVATION. 
          THERE'S STANDARDS FOR RECONSTRUCTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT BECAUSE WE'RE USING STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THIS IS AN EXISTING PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN USED OVER TIME. 
          IT MAY HAVE BEEN ALTERED OVER TIME. 
          AND SO THE FOCUS IS NOT ON RESTORING A CONDITION. 
          THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR A HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNER IN SAN ANTONIO TO NOW RESTORE IT BACK TO A KNOWN CONDITION. 
          MAYBE THEY FOUND A HISTORIC PHOTO OR A POSTCARD. 
          WE DON'T MAKE THEM RESTORE IT IF IT'S NOT ALREADY IN THAT CONDITION. 
          RATHER THE FOCUS IS ON LOOKING AT WHAT'S THERE, LOOKING AT WHAT WE THINK IS ORIGINAL, LOOKING AT WHAT IS WORTHY OF PRESERVATION AND FOCUSING ON THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY ALTERATIONS THAT ARE DONE TO THE EXTERIOR AREN'T REMOVING HISTORIC MATERIALS OR INTRODUCING SOMETHING THAT KIND OF FUZZIES THE, THE, THE, THE HISTORY THERE OR OBSCURES HISTORIC, UH, BUILDING COMPONENTS OR MATERIALS. 
          AND SO IT'S REALLY FOCUSED ON PRESERVING WHAT'S THERE, WHAT WE HAVE, UM, AND EMPHASIZING IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE IN 
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A STORE DISTRICT, REALLY THE HISTORIC RESOURCES SHOULD BE THE STAR. 
          UM, AND ALL THE NEW STUFF SHOULD SORT OF FADE AWAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE, UM, GOAL OF THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, BUT WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT, UM, IT IS BROKEN DOWN INTO DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA SAY WHAT GENERAL GUIDELINES ARE FOR TREATMENT OF HISTORIC PROPERTY IS IN TERMS OF THE MATERIALITIES. 
          SO WHAT WE, WHAT DO WE DO WITH HISTORIC WOODWORK. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS GENERALLY THE LANGUAGE ABOUT REPLACING IN KIND, UM, IN KIND MEANINGS SIMILAR MATERIAL. 
          AND SO IF SOMETHING IS WOOD, YOU GO BACK WITH NEW WOOD. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT, AND I WAS ALLUDING TO THIS EARLIER, IS THE NEW WOOD THAT YOU BUY FROM HOME DEPOT OR THE LUMBER YARD IS NOT THE SAME QUALITY OF THE WOOD THAT'S THERE ALL THE TIME. 
          UM, USUALLY WHEN THESE HOMES WERE BUILT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WERE BUILT A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, UM, THEY HAVE OLD GROWTH LUMBER, UM, AND USUALLY A HIGHER QUALITY OF ACTUAL WOOD TOO. 
          SO THERE'S PORCHES THAT ARE MADE OF CYPRUS, WHICH IS A HIGHER QUALITY, UH, MATERIAL THAN, THAN PINE, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, AND SO THERE IS ACTUAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO ALSO REUSING THOSE EXISTING MATERIALS. 
          A 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY NEW MATERIAL AND B 'CAUSE IT MIGHT LAST LONGER THAN THE NEW STUFF. 
          UM, SO THAT IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT WE EMPHASIZE. 
          UM, BUT I AM GOING TO SCROLL DOWN TO METAL ROOFS. 
          UM, SO HISTORICALLY ALL SORTS OF ROOFING MATERIALS EXISTED. 
          UM, THE OLDEST STRUCTURES IN SAN ANTONIO PROBABLY HAD CEDAR SHAKE ROOFS, WOOD ROOFS, UM, THAT WERE GENERALLY REPLACED OVER TIME WITH, UH, WITH METAL. 
          AND SO AS METAL PRODUCTION BECAME MORE, UH, PROLIFIC, UH, PROLIFIC IN TEXAS AND SAN ANTONIO REGION, UM, THEY WOULD SIMPLY PUT THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS OVER THE WOOD SHINGLES. 
          AND YOU CAN STILL FIND THOSE SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES YOU FALL THROUGH IF THERE'S WOOD SHINGLES UNDER THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN OVER TIMES THOSE METAL ROOFS MIGHT HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH ASPHALT SHINGLES. 
          UM, HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN LIKE THE LATE TWENTIES OR THIRTIES MIGHT HAVE HAD ASBESTOS TILE OR SOME OTHER KIND OF COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT YOU SAW KIND OF DEVELOPED OVER TIME. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO IN SAN ANTONIO, WE HAVE A LOT OF SPANISH ECLECTIC STYLE HOMES. 
          AND SO CLAY TILE IS SOMETHING YOU SEE A LOT. 
          UM, CLAY TILE IS ALSO ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          AND SO AS THOSE MATERIALS ARE LOST, IT BECOMES SOMEWHAT INFEASIBLE TO REPLACE OR MAINTAIN THEM WITH IN KIND MATERIALS. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES WE SEE, UH, WE SEE A SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL REQUEST FOR CLAY TILE IN THE FORM OF LIKE A PRESSED METAL MATERIAL OR A COATED METAL MATERIAL THAT'S MEANT TO HAVE A SOMEWHAT APPEARANCE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE SOME ROOFS THAT ARE CONCRETE, SO FORMED CONCRETE THAT LOOKS LIKE TILE AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN GET ANYMORE EITHER. 
          AND SO, UM, EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'VE GOT A WEIRD TILE ROOF REQUEST THAT WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS. 
          AND THERE'S AGAIN, A VARIETY OF PRODUCTS THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          UM, BUT THE MOST COMMON REQUEST THAT'S GONNA BE COMING TO YOU IS METAL ROOFS. 
          AND SO THESE ARE REALLY COMMON IN TEXAS. 
          UM, THEY ARE, THEY ARE, UH, MARKETED AS HAVING A LONG LIFE. 
          AND SO YOU PAY FOR IT UP FRONT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE YOUR ROOF EVER AGAIN. 
          SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INTO THAT. 
          UM, PLUS IT LOOKS COOL, YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT THAT LOOK THAT PEOPLE LIKE, UM, AND IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR HISTORIC HOUSES, ESPECIALLY HERE LOCALLY BECAUSE SO MANY OF THEM HAD STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS HISTORICALLY. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO MEET. 
          UM, SO TYPICALLY IF A BUILDER IS GOING AND BUILDING A NEW HOUSE WITH A METAL ROOF, THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL WHAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM HERE, WHICH IS A RAISED, UH, VENTED CAP. 
          AND SO THIS KIND OF GIVES IT A MORE COMMERCIAL LOOK. 
          UM, IT'S NOT THE SAME KIND OF CRIMPED SCENE THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE HISTORIC DETAIL. 
          AND SO THEY CAN STILL DO THIS. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO DIFFERENT WAYS TO KIND OF VENT THE ATTIC TO WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO RELY SOLELY ON THE RIDGE VENT. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS CALLED A DOUBLE MUNCH, UH, CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM. 
          AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS SPECIFY WHEN A METAL ROOF IS APPROVED. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE STANDARD LANGUAGE FOR THE WIDTH OF THE SEAM OF THE SEAMS ITSELF, LIKE HOW, HOW WIDE EACH PANEL IS. 
          UM, AND THESE ARE PRETTY MUCH INDUSTRY STANDARDS, SO THESE ARE EASY TO, FOR MOST ROOFERS TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO WHEN A METAL ROOF IS APPROVED IS WE ALSO REQUIRE AN INSPECTION IN THE FIELD WITH STAFF. 
          AND SO, UM, VERY, VERY COMMON IS THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE PERSON THAT APPLIED AND SAID, YES, WE CAN DO THIS. 
          AND THE PERSON WHO'S ACTUALLY ON THE SITE BUILDING IT, UM, THAT'S NOT JUST ROOFS, THAT'S ANYTHING. 
          AND SO, UM, WE HAVE FOLDED IN AN INSPECTION PROCESS. 
          SO BEFORE THEY INSTALL THE ROOF IS WE GET ON SITE, WE MAKE SURE THE MATERIALS ON THE SITE MATCH THE SPECIFICATIONS, UM, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THE DETAILS THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND SO THAT ALL GETS DOCUMENTED. 
          AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IF THEY END UP NOT DOING IT, THEN WE HAVE A, A LITTLE MORE TEETH TO ENFORCE. 
          UM, IT IS EXPENSIVE TO NOW GO AND RECUT THE PANELS AND, AND REVERSE THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE INSTALLED. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THOSE ISSUES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, THE OTHER SPECIFICATIONS FOR ROOF INCLUDE COLOR. 
          UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AND THE SUSTAINABILITY DOCUMENT AS WELL, BUT HISTORICALLY THESE WERE 
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USUALLY JUST LEFT METAL. 
          UM, YOU ALSO WOULD SEE THEM PAINTED RED WAS PRETTY COMMON OR PAINTED WITH LIKE A SILVER COATING, SO THEY WERE MORE REFLECTIVE. 
          UM, AND SO IN GENERAL, UM, WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IS JUST THE STANDARD GVAL LOOM OR A LIGHT COLOR, UH, MANUFACTURER FINISH. 
          UM, WHAT WE DON'T RECOMMEND IS THE DARKER MANUFACTURER COLORS LIKE A, LIKE A DARK BRONZE OR A BLUE OR A, YOU KNOW, THOSE OTHER KIND OF METAL ROOFS, COLORS YOU SEE. 
          SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE OPTIONS. 
          GENERALLY THE STANDARD IS, UM, GLOOM, WHICH IS THE UNCOATED. 
          IT'S GONNA LOOK MOST HISTORIC IN GENERAL, BUT THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE PATH FORWARD TO LIKE A RED ROOF OR A WHITE ROOF OR A, OR A DIFFERENT KINDA LIGHTER COLOR, UM, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
          THE HCRC HAS BEEN REVIEWING THINGS LIKE ALMOND OR GREEN AND THEY ARE SOMETIMES APPROVED. 
          UM, SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CONDITIONS WERE BEFORE, UM, AND WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THAT PROPERTY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON ROOFS BEFORE I MOVE ON? I ACTUALLY DO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HISTORICALLY, IF THEY HAVE A PHOTO, UM, AND EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE MAKING THE MODIFICATIONS, BUT LET'S SAY THEY, IN ONE OF THE HISTORICAL PHOTOS, THE ROOF IS GREEN AND THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVE THAT. 
          UM, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION? YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER ABOUT ORIGINAL COLORS OR CONDITIONS, THEN EVEN THOUGH I SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESTORE IT TO ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS, IF WE DO KNOW WHAT THE PREVIOUS CONDITION WAS, THEN IT CERTAINLY MAKES THE CASE FOR A RESTORATION. 
          UM, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS APPROVE SOMETHING THAT, UM, WHERE IT'S A MYSTERY AND SO WE'RE JUST LIKE MAKING SOMETHING UP. 
          LIKE WE WANT IT TO BE EVIDENCE-BASED WHERE THERE'S EVIDENCE. 
          OKAY, WHAT DID I SAY WAS NEXT? I THINK I, SO JUST IN GENERAL, Y'ALL WON'T BE REVIEWING ADDITIONS, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT CHAPTERS IN THE GUIDELINES FOR ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, THIS IS REALLY BROKEN INTO CHAPTERS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR CUSTOMERS TO USE, OTHERWISE THEY'VE GOT THIS GIANT DOCUMENT THEY'VE GOTTA SIFT THROUGH. 
          SO IF YOU'RE JUST DOING NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE THING TO REVIEW VERSUS LIKE 10. 
          UM, SO GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS, UH, SIDE ELEMENTS IS A BROAD TERM, MEANING ANYTHING THAT'S NOT A BUILDING, UM, BUT SPECIFICALLY, UM, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE SEEING, UH, MOSTLY IS GONNA BE FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING. 
          UM, AND ACTUALLY, SO THESE WERE THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE ADOPTED IN 2012. 
          UM, THE, THE KIND OF OVERARCHING, OVERARCHING GUIDANCE AT THE TIME IS WE AGREE THAT THERE'S NO REQUIRED, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS HISTORIC GRASS LIKE . 
          SO YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN A LAWN. 
          WE DON'T GET INTO HOW NICE YOUR LAWN LOOKS LIKE IF YOU'RE WATERING IT, THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, A HOMEOWNER CAN DO WORK ON A WEEKEND, THEY CAN REPLANT FLOWER BEDS, THEY CAN DO MAINTENANCE WITHOUT COMING TO US. 
          LIKE THAT'S NOT THE POINT. 
          UM, THE POINT IS, UM, MAINTAINING, UM, LIKE PERVIOUS COVERAGE IN YOUR LAWN, UM, NOT REPLACING WHAT IS NOW PLANTS WITH HARDSCAPE OR CONCRETE OR PAVERS OR ASPHALT. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE. 
          UM, BUT WITHIN THAT BIG PICTURE, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF VARIABLES. 
          UM, COREY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT ABOUT THE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN, UH, WHEN SOMEBODY HAS, GOES FROM A YARD TO, UH, CHANGING IT ALL INTO RUBBLE OR ROCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN WHAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL VERSUS MM-HMM. 
           WHAT'S, YEP. 
          AND SO IT'LL HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE GROUP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IN MORE RECENTLY WE'VE ADOPTED THIS POLICY GUIDE, AND SO THIS IS NOT NEW RULES. 
          UM, THIS IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU. 
          BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT GETS INTO MORE, PARDON OF MY PUN, THE WEEDS  OF, OF LIKE LANDSCAPING AND WHAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND WHAT THE APPLICATION THE GUIDELINES KIND OF LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT BECAUSE IT IS TRUE, LIKE THE GUIDELINES WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM REMOVING ALL PLANTS FROM YOUR YARD AND JUST DROPPING GRAVEL. 
          UM, YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN SOME SORT OF, UM, VEGETATION IN ORDER TO COMPLY. 
          50% IS THE RULE OF THUMB. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT GETS REALLY HARD TO MEASURE AND MAKE SURE IT'S LIKE EXACTLY THAT PERCENTAGE. 
          SO THIS IS GENERAL GUIDANCE. 
          UM, AND, BUT OBVIOUSLY LIKE, UH, WE ARE HAVING MORE EXTREME WEATHER IT SEEMS THE PAST THREE YEARS I USED TO HAVE REALLY NICE GRASS THAT WAS EASY TO MAINTAIN AND NOW IT IS ALL DEAD AND I'M GONNA GIVE UP. 
          UM, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING THE SAME THING. 
          AND SO THIS IS WHAT RESPONSIBLE SUSTAINABLE LANDSCAPING LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, YOU'RE INTRODUCING NATIVE SPECIES, UM, YOU'RE REDUCING LAWN, UH, COVERAGE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO WATER AS MUCH. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S DO'S AND DON'TS. 
          UM, IT REALLY SPEAKS TO, UH, I THINK THIS IS A CONCERN IS KIND OF INTRODUCING A LOT OF ROCK SCAPE AND A LOT OF PAVING TO THE FRONT YARD SPACE THAT WOULD TRADITIONALLY BE VEGETATION. 
          UM, THIS IS BAD FOR A FEW REASONS. 
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UM, YES, AESTHETICALLY LIKE THIS DOES DETRACT FROM THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN SOME CASES. 
          UM, NOT ALL DISTRICTS ARE THE SAME. 
          UM, BUT SOME OF THE MORE THE DISTRICTS THAT WERE, UH, SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENTS WHEN THEY WERE DEVELOPED IN THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES, THEY HAD OPEN LAWNS AND THEY HAD PRETTY LARGE LAWNS TOO. 
          AND SO IT, IT BECOMES A BIGGER DEAL WHEN YOU REPLACE A LARGE LAWN WITH A LARGE EXPANSE OF ROCKS. 
          UM, BUT THEN THIS IS ALSO BAD FOR POLLINATORS, HEAT ISLAND EFFECT. 
          THERE'S JUST OTHER KIND OF GENERAL THINGS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING TO HERE THAT AREN'T REALLY LIKE DESIGN, LIKE HISTORIC ISSUES, BUT THIS IS KIND OF IN LINE WITH THE POLICY. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO SHARE THIS WITH THE CUSTOMERS. 
          UM, SO GENERALLY IF YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF YOU'RE REPLACING YOUR LAWN WITH, WITH LANDSCAPE BEDS AND, UM, OTHER PLANTINGS, PERFECTLY FINE, WE APPROVE THOSE ALL THE TIME AT THE STAFF LEVEL. 
          UM, IF YOU ARE DOING, WE CALL IT ZERO SCAPING, UM, IF YOU ARE COMPLETELY REPLACING WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY VEGETATION WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ALIVE, THEN WE GET INTO A PROBLEM WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO INTRODUCE MORE PLANS. 
          AND SO, UM, USUALLY WE ARE ABLE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE TO DO THAT, UM, AT THE STAFF LEVEL. 
          UM, BUT EVERY NOW AND THEN, AND IT'S USUALLY WORK WITHOUT APPRO OR WITHOUT APPROVAL THAT WE'LL HAVE TO COME HERE AND WE'LL HAVE TO REMEDY, UM, THAT THROUGH A, A COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMENDATION  MM-HMM, . 
          SO THESE ARE THE LEAST FUN. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT COMES INTO THIS IS DRIVEWAYS AND WALKWAYS AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERY PROPERTY OWNER HAS DIFFERENT NEEDS. 
          WE HAD A CASE JUST THIS PAST WEDNESDAY, UM, WHERE, UH, THEY HAD A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD WHO IN A WHEELCHAIR AND THEY, SO THEY NEEDED A WIDER DRIVEWAY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, AND THAT ENDED UP BEING APPROVED. 
          AND SO AGAIN, CASE BY CASE BASIS, UH, TRY TO BALANCE THE, THE APPROVED POLICY WITH THE NEEDS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, AND FIND THAT BEST PATH FORWARD IS, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS, UH, A GOOD THING. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS TO PROVIDE YOU A RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, SO ACTUALLY ON YOUR SCREENS, I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          SO YOU HAVE TWO SCREENS. 
          ONE IS SHOWING YOU WHAT IS ON THE BIG SCREEN THAT GOES OUT TO THE LIVE STREAM THAT GETS RECORDED. 
          AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A PERSONAL COMPUTER THAT WILL ALWAYS BE ON AND ALWAYS BE PRELOADED FOR YOU BY OUR STAFF. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS WEDNESDAY'S, WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY CASES. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE THE COPY OF THE AGENDA PULLED UP, AND THEN WE ALSO COME AROUND WITH A THUMB DRIVE AND DROP A FOLDER OF ALL OF THE CASE FILES. 
          AND SO YOU CAN REVIEW THOSE ON YOUR OWN. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO RELY EXCLUSIVELY TO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN KINDA REVIEW THOSE. 
          UM, AND IF YOU OPEN ONE OF THOSE FILES, THE FIRST THING YOU'LL SEE IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THIS WAS PART OF YOUR ORIENTATION AS WELL. 
          STAFF WILL TAKE THE TIME TO CREATE THAT ENTIRE REPORT THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS, THE FINDINGS, THE FACT, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THE RECOMMENDATIONS USUALLY INCLUDE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS, WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PACKAGE MAY NOT MEET THE LETTER OF THE GUIDELINES. 
          SO WE ADD STIPULATIONS TO GET IT THERE SO THAT WE CAN GET A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL BECAUSE OUR GOAL IS TO ALWAYS KIND OF IDENTIFY THAT PATH FORWARD AND NOT JUST LEAVE PEOPLE IN LIMBO. 
          UM, SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ALWAYS GONNA BE BASED ON THE GUIDELINES. 
          WE HAVE TO BE VERY KIND OF, UM, OBJECTIVE ABOUT OUR REVIEW. 
          UM, YES, LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF VERY PERSONAL STORIES THAT COME OUR WAY, , WE LEARN A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT OUR APPLICANTS THAT WE WISH WE DIDN'T KNOW, BUT THEY'RE TELLING US BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE FREAKING OUT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DO OUR JOB, WE HAVE TO REVIEW IT, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A CLEAR RECOMMENDATION OF HOW THIS MEETS OR DOESN'T MEET THE, THE, THE ADOPTED POLICY. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU ALL CAN CONSIDER KIND OF THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES AND MAKE THE BEST CASE, UM, RECOMMENDATION SO THAT WE CAN, UH, MOVE FORWARD. 
          CAN I ASK A YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          OH, OH, SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS, UH, HOW, WHAT, WHEN DO WE GET THOSE MATERIALS PRIOR TO OUR MEETING? THESE, THESE WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THE POSTED AGENDA. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE ARE JUST DROPPING THEM HERE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AND DOWNLOAD 'EM FROM THE AGENDA IS JUST QUICKER. 
          UM, BUT THAT AGENDA HAS LINKS TO EACH CASE AND EACH CASE WILL HAVE ITS OWN FILE THAT YOU CAN DOWNLOAD AND VIEW. 
          YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. 
          WHEN DO WE GET THE AGENDA? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. 
          IT'LL BE THE FRIDAY BEFORE YOUR FRIDAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO A FULL WEEK. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS IF I CAN FIND IT. 
          THIS ONE I'VE GOT TOO MANY WINDOWS. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, ANOTHER POLICY GUIDE. 
          UM, THIS IS TAKING WHAT IS ALREADY EXISTING IN THE GUIDELINES AND IT'S APPLYING IT TO THE MOST COMMON TYPES OF REQUESTS. 
          AND THE OTHER THING I SHOULD HAVE SAID IS THESE POLICY GUIDES ARE ALSO BASED ON CASE HISTORY. 
          AND SO WHEN THE HCRC HAS ROUTINELY BEEN APPROVING A SOLUTION, WE NOW PUT IT ON PAPER SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT THAT SOLUTION IS AND 
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THAT KIND OF OPTIMIZES THE RESULTS. 
          UM, SO THIS IS ACKNOWLEDGING, UH, KIND OF WHAT I SPOKE TO ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LUMBER CHANGING OVER TIME. 
          UM, CHANGING SPECIFICALLY LIKE LESS QUALITY , UM, UM, AND THINGS LIKE PORCH DECKING. 
          AND SO, UM, PORT PORCHES IN PARTICULAR ARE REALLY EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS. 
          THINGS LIKE DECKING GET A LOT OF WATER ON THEM. 
          AND SO IF YOU GO IN WITH NEW PINE, YOU HAVE TO DO A LOT OF PREP IN TERMS OF PRIMING AND PAINTING AND CAULKING BEFORE IT EVER GETS WET OR ELSE YOU HAVE TO START OVER. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          AND THEN EVEN THEN IT JUST DOESN'T LAST AS LONG. 
          AND SO WE SEE, WE SEE NEW STUFF ALL THE TIME THAT WAS BUILT FIVE YEARS AGO WITH NEW WOOD AND DONE RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S ROTTING AND ALREADY HAS TO BE REPAIRED. 
          WE ALSO SEE SOME HOUSES THAT ARE A HUNDRED AND TWENTY, A HUNDRED AND THIRTY, A HUNDRED FORTY YEARS OLD. 
          THEY HAVE THE ORIGINAL PORCH DECKING STILL LIKE IT IS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF OF LUMBER. 
          ACTUALLY BRIAN AND I WERE AT A HOUSE ON WOODLAWN. 
          HAVE YOU SEEN THAT OLD VICTORIAN HOUSE ON WOODLAWN THAT HAS ALL OF ITS ORIGINAL MATERIALS? IT'S A CREDIBLE, UM, AND I THINK IT'S CYPRUS IS IS WHY. 
          AND SO IT WAS JUST A HIGH QUALITY MATERIAL THAT WAS A, A FORMER MAYOR'S HOUSE BACK IN THE, I THINK EARLY 19 HUNDREDS. 
          TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING ON IT , SO WE'LL, WE'LL TALK LATER. 
          I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU. 
          UM, AND SO THERE ARE COMPOSITE MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR AS DECKING SUBSTITUTES. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE JUST KIND OF STANDARD, UH, SPECIFICATIONS ABOUT HOW WIDE IT IS AND HOW IT'S INSTALLED AND WHETHER IT'S TONGUE AND GROOVE VERSUS JUST LIKE A TWO BY SIX, UH, DECK. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S JUST CERTAIN WAYS TO DO THAT. 
          UM, IF SOMEBODY MEETS ALL THESE, THEN WE'LL APPROVE IT ADMINISTRATIVELY IF THEY DON'T WANNA MEET IT OR CAN'T, IT'LL COME HERE WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION AND THEN YOU ALL CAN KIND OF WEIGH THAT AGAINST WHAT'S PROPOSED. 
          WILL YOU TALK ABOUT, OH, GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          WILL YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ONE CASE THAT WAS ON WEDNESDAY, UH, THAT WAS WITH THE CAPITALS AND ALL THE CHANGES THEY WANTED TO MAKE? YEAH. 
          UM, REPLACING WITH SIMILAR, SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF THE, NOW WE WANNA BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT CASES GO WHERE, LIKE A PORCH, A PORCH REHABILITATION, WHERE A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL COMPONENTS HAVE BEEN LOST AND THEY'RE KIND OF RECREATING IT. 
          THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO GO TO HCRC BECAUSE IT'S A DESIGN QUESTION. 
          I THINK A CASE LIKE THAT WOULD COME HERE BECAUSE IT'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL. 
          THEY DIDN'T WANNA REUSE THE CAPITALS BECAUSE THEY HAD REASONS. 
          AND SO THEN IT'S A QUESTION OF, WELL, THEY WERE ALSO TOO HEAVY, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, . 
          SO THERE WERE MANY REASONS. 
          AND SO, BUT THERE ARE SUBSTITUTES OUT THERE THAT COULD PASS. 
          AND SO IF THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT LIKE, YES, A REPLACEMENT FOR A COLUMN MATERIAL OR CAPITAL OR COMPONENT OR A PORCH COMPONENT, UH, FOR CERTAIN REASONS THAT WOULD COME HERE. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          COREY, CAN YOU SCROLL BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? OF COURSE ON THE IMAGE, UM, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE LOOKING AT MATERIALS, BUT IN THE PICTURE WHERE IT'S APPROVED, IT LOOKS AS MAYBE THEY CHANGED THE GRADE, LIKE THEY GOT RID OF THE STEP AND IT'S JUST FLAT, STRAIGHT TO THE BRICK NOW, OR, OH, I THINK THAT'S JUST AN OPTICAL ILLUSION. 
          I THINK THERE IS A STEP, I THINK IT'S THE SAME BRICK YOU SEE HERE ON THE LEFT, BUT WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED IF THEY WERE CHANGING STEPS MORE THAN MATERIAL THAT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A, A DIFFERENT CHANGE? YEAH, MAYBE. 
          UM, I, YES, PORCHES BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID ABOUT EXPOSURE TO THE ELEMENTS, LIKE A LOT OF THEM HAVE JUST BEEN LOST OVER TIME. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY YOU SEE A LOT OF PORCHES WITH THE METAL COLUMN, LIKE THE WROUGHT IRON DECORATIVE COLUMNS INSTEAD OF THE WOOD COLUMNS. 
          UM, A LOT, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE ALSO REPLACED WITH JUST A CONCRETE SLAB VERSUS THE WOOD DECK STRUCTURE THAT WAS THERE. 
          AND SO, UH, SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANNA RECONSTRUCT THEIR PORCH BY BUILDING OVER THE SLAB WITH WOOD AND SO, AND THAT, THAT CHANGES THE STAIRS AND ALL OF THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, ALL CASE BY CASE BASIS, SOME THINGS MAKE SENSE, SOMETIMES SOME THINGS DON'T. 
          UM, AND IF IT'S A DESIGN QUESTION, THOSE WOULD CONTINUE TO GO TO HD OR C IF IT'S A MATERIALS QUESTION, IT WOULD COME HERE. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          SO ARE WE TAKING A DA COMPLIANCE INTO CONSIDERATION ON SOME OF THESE? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ADDRESSED ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE SPECIAL NEEDS, BUT THIS, ARE WE APPLYING THAT ALSO TO THESE HOMES EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE HISTORICAL? YES. 
          I MEAN, SO WE DO HAVE, UM, ADOPTED POLICY FOR LIKE RAMPS AND ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, LIKE IT'S DIFFERENT RULES VERSUS LIKE A COMMERCIAL OR PUBLIC PROPERTY. 
          UM, BUT WE DO TRY TO FIND THE BEST CASE JUST ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
          AND, AND FRONT RAMPS TO THE PORCH ARE USUALLY APPROVED AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL. 
          UM, AND WE ACTUALLY UPDATED WHAT IS ELIGIBLE AT THE STAFF LEVEL THIS PAST ROUND OF AMENDMENTS TO WHERE WE CAN DO MORE VISIBLY APPARENT RAMPS AT THE STAFF LEVEL. 
          IT HAS TO BE ON THE SIDE AND NOT ON THE FRONT PORCH. 
          FRONT PORCH WOULD GO TO THE HCRC, BUT, BUT YES, GENERALLY WE, WE TRY TO WORK WITHIN THE NEEDS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
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UM, FOUNDATION SKIRTING, THESE WILL COME TO YOU. 
          UM, THIS IS GENERALLY WHAT WE RECOMMEND. 
          UH, THE ISSUE WITH FOUNDATION AGAIN IS WATER. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S USUALLY, IT'S USUALLY MEANT TO BE SACRIFICIAL. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S SKIRTING AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S USUALLY THIS VISIBLE BREAK BETWEEN THE SIDING OF THE HOUSE AND WHERE THE SKIRTING IS. 
          UM, SO IT IS MEANT TO BE REPLACED OVER TIME. 
          UM, HARDY BOARD IS CEMENT BASED AND SO IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO ROT. 
          AND SO THAT IS VERY OFTEN USED AND RECOMMENDED ACTUALLY FOR THIS BOTTOM PART THAT ACTUALLY MEETS THE GROUND. 
          UM, BUT YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE THAT COME IN WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, CORRUGATED METAL SKIRTING OR PLASTIC SKIRTING OR SOMETHING, UH, THAT THEY WANT TO USE. 
          AND SO WE ALL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THINGS THAT ARE, ARE, UM, BEST PRACTICE VERSUS NOT. 
          UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY ALWAYS SHARE THIS INFORMATION, BUT USUALLY AGAIN, IF IT'S WORK THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL, THEN IT'S USUALLY THE WRONG MATERIAL. 
          AND SO THOSE WILL BE COMING HERE AND THAT'S , THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT OF IT. 
          UM, SO WHAT, YEAH, CORRUGATED METAL. 
          UM, ALSO SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL EITHER STUCCO THE SKIRTING OR PUT IN, UM, LIKE SHEETS OF HARDY INSTEAD OF DOING KIND OF THE, THE HORIZONTAL BOARDS. 
          UM, SO THERE'S JUST THIS CERTAIN KIND OF MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED A LOT OF TIMES FOR THESE THINGS. 
          UM, WOOD SIDING, UM, SO VERY OFTEN PEOPLE ARE USUALLY FLIPPING A HOUSE, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S JUST LIKE A, A REHABILITATION BY A PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UM, AND THEY JUST, THEY WANT IT TO LOOK NEW, UM, WHICH IS FINE. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT YOUR YOUR HOME TO BE TO SHINE, YOU'RE PROUD OF IT. 
          UM, BUT WE ALSO, FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT BEFORE, ALWAYS ENCOURAGE WORKING WITH THE EXISTING MATERIAL WHERE YOU CAN. 
          UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO WHAT I SAID ABOUT QUALITY, LIKE IT ALSO JUST PRESERVES THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOME, THE, THE APPEARANCE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT PRESERVATION IS, IS YOU'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY AND APPEARANCE AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, SO IF YOU FULLY REPLACE IT, YOU LOSE THAT MATERIAL, YOU'RE THROWING IT AWAY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT WASTEFUL, BUT THEN ALSO YOU'RE CHIPPING AWAY AT THE, THE INTEGRITY OF THAT, THAT HISTORIC RESOURCE. 
          UM, SO WE JUST PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION. 
          NOT EVERY HOUSE IS GONNA HAVE ONE OF THESE THREE SITING TYPES, BUT THESE ARE PRETTY COMMON. 
          UM, AND FOR THE MOST PART YOU CAN FIND THESE AT MOST LUMBER YARDS. 
          AND SO, UM, REPLACEMENT AND PATCHING IN KIND WITH THESE, UH, PRETTY COMMON SIDING TYPES IS, IS DOABLE. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN INSTANCES WHERE IT'S A VARIATION ON ONE OF THESE AND IT'S A NOTICEABLE ONE. 
          AND SO WE SOMETIMES WILL WORK WITH APPLICANTS TO GET A CUSTOM MILL. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES IN TOWN THAT HAVE ALL OF THE RIGHT, UH, TEMPLATES TO DO A CUSTOM MILL. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE, UM, OBVIOUSLY 'CAUSE OF THE WORD CUSTOM. 
          UM, BUT IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE CASE. 
          AND SO IF IT'S A PATCH JOB, THEN YEAH, WE'LL TRY TO DO CUSTOM IF IT'S FULLY GONE AND NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, AND WE'LL TRY TO WORK, UH, ON WHAT A REASONABLE REPLACEMENT WOULD BE. 
          UM, TYPICALLY WE WOULD NOT ALLOW YOU TO CLAD HISTORIC SIDING IN A NEW MATERIAL. 
          UM, SO THINGS LIKE VINYL OR ALUMINUM SIDING, THAT, THAT, USUALLY IT'S COMING. 
          WE'RE SEEING THOSE COME OFF. 
          THOSE WERE DONE 30 YEARS AGO AND NOW IT'S TIME TO COME OFF. 
          UM, SO AS THOSE COME OFF, WE WORK WITH CUSTOMERS TO MAINTAIN AND PRESERVE THE MATERIAL THAT'S BEEN EXPOSED. 
          UM, AND THEN WHOLESALE REPLYING, LIKE THE WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OF SIDING LIKE YOU SEE HERE, IS NOT RECOMMENDED. 
          UH, THIS IS A BETTER JOB WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF WORKING HERE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE SKIRTING HAS BEEN FULLY REPLACED, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDED TO HAPPEN WITH, WITH IN KIND MATERIAL. 
          AND THE ORIGINAL SIDING HAS JUST BEEN SCRAPED AND SANDED FOR PAINT. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE BEST, UH, PRACTICE IN THE LONG RUN. 
          UM, REPLACED IT WITH THE NEW WOOD THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE REMEDIED IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS AFTER IT'S, IT'S ROTTED. 
          SO, UM, WE ALWAYS TRY TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION UP FRONT. 
          WINDOWS AND DOORS, UM, AGAIN, THESE ARE EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS, AND SO THESE ARE, ARE UP FOR REPLACEMENT, UM, FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          UM, WITH DOORS, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. 
          UH, WE WORK WITH PEOPLE TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC DOOR IF THEY HAVE IT. 
          UM, A LOT OF HOUSES DON'T, UM, JUST DOORS HAVE BEEN REPLACED OVER TIME, AND SO WE, WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY GO IN WITH SOMETHING THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE STYLE OF THE HOME. 
          AND SO THIS IS KIND OF SHOWING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, EVERYBODY LOVES THESE CRAFTSMEN DOORS, BUT THEY DON'T BELONG ON EVERY SINGLE HOUSE. 
          UM, SO, UH, WE JUST SHARE THIS INFORMATION AND TRY TO GET PEOPLE WITH THE DOOR THAT WE CAN APPROVE AT THE STAFF LEVEL, BUT SOMETIMES THEY'LL COME TO YOU. 
          SOMETIMES SOMEBODY WANTS A MODERN STEEL DOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR SOMETHING TRENDY. 
          UM, SO THOSE WILL BE COMING TO YOU. 
          UM, WINDOWS HAS ITS OWN THING, SO I WILL PAUSE ON WINDOWS. 
          UM, ANY QUESTION ON SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS? OKAY, WINDOWS, IT IS, UM, WINDOWS ARE A COMPLEX SUBJECT. 
          UM, THERE ARE ENOUGH WINDOW CASES ALONE TO FILL THIS AGENDA, LIKE THIS COMMISSION'S 
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AGENDAS. 
          UM, IT'S VERY COMMON AND USUALLY WE SEE THEM COME AT THE END OF A COLD SNAP, SO THEY'RE COMING NOW OR IN AUGUST WHEN PEOPLE ARE HOT . 
          SO IT IS CERTAINLY A COMFORT ISSUE. 
          UM, AND LIKE WE UNDERSTAND ALL WINDOWS CAN BE DRAFTY. 
          UM, THE, THE MAIN ISSUES WITH, UM, WITH US IN SAN ANTONIO ARE HEAT GAIN. 
          UM, AND SO WINDOWS CAN CONTRIBUTE TO HEAT GAIN THROUGH, UM, RADIATION. 
          LIKE LITERALLY THE SUN IS COMING THROUGH THE SINGLE PANE GLASS AND MAKING IT HOT. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO AIR INFILTRATION, SO IF THEY AREN'T SEALED PROPERLY, THEN HOT AIR CAN COME IN AND OUT. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST REGULAR CONDUCTION. 
          SO THE SUN IS HITTING THE, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND SO HEAT IS GONNA FIND ITS WAY IN THROUGH, THROUGH HEAT TRANSFER. 
          UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE OF IS IT'S NOT JUST YOUR WINDOWS. 
          IT'S YOUR ENTIRE HOUSE. 
          UM, AND THIS IS TRUE WITH ANY HOUSE, UM, IT'S MORE TRUE WITH OLDER HOUSES BECAUSE THEY TYPICALLY WEREN'T INSULATED THE WAY THAT WE WOULD BUILD A NEW HOUSE. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUDIES, UM, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND EVEN LOCALLY THAT KIND OF POINT TO BEST PRACTICES FOR WEATHERIZATION AND RETROFIT. 
          UM, AND BY FAR AND LARGE, LIKE THE NUMBER ONE THING YOU CAN DO IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HEAT GAIN AND LOSS IN YOUR HOUSE IS DEAL WITH YOUR ATTIC SPACE, ESPECIALLY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF SUNNY DAYS. 
          SO, UM, UH, RADIANT BARRIER IN THE ATTIC, ATTIC INSULATION ARE TOP RECOMMENDED RETROFITS, UM, HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, LOOKING AT DEALING WITH, UH, WALL INSULATION IS ALSO SOMETHING YOU CAN DO OR FLOOR INSULATION. 
          AND WHEN IT COMES TO WINDOWS, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF REMEDIES, UM, THAT YOU CAN DO TO ADDRESS THAT HEAT TRANSFER THAT I MENTIONED. 
          THERE'S FILMS THAT YOU CAN APPLY TO THE GLASS THAT DEAL WITH THE, THE RADIATION TRANSFER. 
          UM, YOU CAN ALSO REPAIR THE WINDOWS, UM, TO MAKE THEM MORE AIRTIGHT OR WEATHER STRIP THEM TO MAKE THEM MORE AIRTIGHT TO DEAL WITH AIR INFILTRATION. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S, YOU CAN ALSO SHADE THEM. 
          SO YOU CAN USE, UH, INSULAR SHADES OR, UM, WINDOW SCREENS ON THE OUTSIDE TO DEAL WITH JUST THAT REGULAR GAIN FROM THE, FROM THE HEAT OF THE SUN. 
          UM, SO WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND LOOK AT ALL OF THESE THINGS BEFORE YOU COME IN WITH A, A REQUEST TO REPLACE YOUR WINDOWS. 
          UM, DO AN ENERGY AUDIT OF YOUR HOME, LOOK AT A WHOLE STRUCTURE APPROACH. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY, THE OTHER THING IS, OKAY, YOU HAVE EXISTING MATERIALS. 
          YOU HAVE AN EXISTING HOME THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH. 
          WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF THROWING SOMETHING IN THE TRASH AND ORDERING SOMETHING THAT WAS MANUFACTURED IN CHINA AND INSTALLING IT IN YOUR HOUSE? UM, SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE REMIND PEOPLE. 
          OUR CUSTOMERS OF. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE, OH, I HAD NO IDEA. 
          I WILL JUST WORK ON REPAIRING THEM. 
          SOME OF THEM REALLY WANNA COME FORWARD WITH THE REPLACEMENT REQUEST. 
          UM, AND ESPECIALLY AGAIN, IF THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT WITHOUT APPROVAL, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE ANYWAYS. 
          UM, SO IF YOU DO SO, COREY, YEAH. 
          UH, CAN YOU GO GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO AT WHAT POINT DOES, UM, THE CASE NEED A, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE PANEL? UM, AS FAR AS INSTALLATION OF A SCREEN OR, YEAH, SHUTTER ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEN ALSO WITH FILM, WINDOW FILM, WHAT GETS ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN WHAT'LL HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE PANEL. 
          YEAH. 
          MOST OF THAT WEATHERPROOFING STUFF THAT I MENTIONED WOULD NOT REQUIRE APPROVAL FROM US. 
          ESPECIALLY LIKE THE FILM, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE APPEARANCE FROM THE OUTSIDE. 
          IT REALLY JUST INCREASES THE, THE INSULATOR FACTOR OF THE GLASS ITSELF. 
          UM, IF YOU WERE TO INSTALL EXTERIOR SCREENS, ESPECIALLY LIKE SOLAR SCREENS, WE WOULD REVIEW THOSE AND THERE'S SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE GUIDELINES FOR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          BUT THAT'S USUALLY WHAT, WHAT'S NOT BEING REQUESTED. 
          USUALLY IT'S REPLACEMENT. 
          AND OF COURSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN DO ON THE INSIDE THAT ALSO ADDRESS THAT. 
          UM, SO WHEN THERE IS A REPLACEMENT, WE FIRST CONSIDER, OKAY, IS THE WINDOW THAT'S THERE, THE ORIGINAL WINDOW. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE PRETTY EASY FOR OUR STAFF TO IDENTIFY. 
          UM, THEY'RE USUALLY, THEY'RE LIKE A PIECE OF FURNITURE THAT WAS BUILT INTO YOUR HOUSE. 
          AND SO THERE'S MECHANISMS, THERE'S, UH, JAMS, THERE'S WEIGHTS AND PULLEYS. 
          UM, SO WE CAN TELL IF SOMETHING'S ORIGINAL OR NOT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, UH, THE QUALITY OF THE WOOD IS USUALLY A LITTLE HIGHER OR A LOT HIGHER THAN THE QUALITY OF WOOD YOU GET TODAY. 
          BUT NOT ALWAYS. 
          NOT ALL WINDOWS CAME FROM THE SAME PLACE OR FROM THE SAME WOOD. 
          AND SO TYPICALLY THE OLDER THE WINDOW IT IS USUALLY THE MORE REPAIRABLE IT IS. 
          UM, WOOD WINDOWS INTO THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES. 
          YEAH, THEY, THEY MIGHT NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          UM, WHEN WE WOULD DO THAT CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT. 
          UM, GENERALLY WE CONSIDER REPAIRABLE WINDOWS TO BE WHERE IT'S JUST LIKE THE GLASS, IT'S BROKEN GLASS IS REALLY EASY TO REPLACE AND FIX IN A WOOD WINDOW. 
          UM, IF IT'S, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THINGS NOT ALIGNING PROPERLY, UM, YOU CAN LITERALLY TAKE EVERYTHING APART, PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AND GET IT WORKING PROPERLY. 
          UM, ADD WEATHER STRIPPING, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          UM, SILL AND FRAME ROT HAPPENS, ESPECIALLY ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          UM, SO RAIN HITS THE WINDOW, COMES DOWN, SITS ON THE SILL. 
          UM, THAT'S A PRETTY COMMON THING. 
          AND SO THERE'S 
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FLASHING AND THINGS THAT CAN BE INTRODUCED TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES DOWN THE LINE. 
          UM, BEYOND REPAIR IS GONNA BE GENERALLY CONSIDERED LIKE SOMETHING'S MISSING. 
          SO , UM, AN ENTIRE SASHES, WHICH IS MISSING. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, EXTREME WOOD WROUGHT THAT'S AFFECTING MORE THAN 50% OF THE MATERIALS OF THE WINDOW. 
          IF YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE BASICALLY GONNA HAVE TO REBUILD A WINDOW WITH NEW MATERIALS ANYWAY, THEN REPLACEMENT MIGHT BE WARRANTED. 
          SO THEN THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION, CAN IT BE REPLACED? THE SECOND QUESTION IS, WHAT IS IT REPLACED WITH? SO IF YOU GOOGLE REPLACEMENT WINDOW, YOU'RE GONNA GET A HUNDRED DIFFERENT OPTIONS FROM A HUNDRED DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS, DIFFERENT MATERIALS. 
          UM, ANDERSON MAKES THEIR FIBER WINDOWS, WHICH IS A COMPOSITE MATERIAL. 
          UM, BOTH PELLA AND MARVIN MAKE VINYL ALUMINUM OR WOOD, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT, THAT HOMEOWNERS CAN LOOK AT. 
          UM, BUT TYPICALLY, I'M GONNA USE THAT WORD IN KIND AGAIN. 
          SO IF YOU'RE REPLACING A WINDOW OR INTRODUCING A WINDOW TO A HISTORIC PROPERTY THAT HAD WOOD WINDOWS, UM, IN KIND IS RECOMMENDED, SO THAT MEANS A NEW WOOD WINDOW. 
          UM, SO THEY DO MAKE THOSE, UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE LEFT. 
          THIS IS A WOOD REPLACEMENT WINDOW FOR THE MOST PART. 
          IT'S GONNA BE VERY VISUALLY SIMILAR TO A HISTORIC WINDOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME OF THESE TRACK COMPONENTS. 
          AND JUST LIKE THE FRAMING OF IT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S DIFFERENT TO MEET THE ACTUAL, UH, UNIT THAT IS INSTALLED AND, AND TRIMMED IN. 
          UM, WHAT IS NOT RECOMMENDED IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          AND SO A VINYL REPLACEMENT WINDOW, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE'S DIFFERENT QUALITIES IN ALL THE SAME, UM, AND THEY ARE ALSO, UM, HAVE DIFFERENT INTENDED INSTALLATION METHODS. 
          AND SO THERE'S BLOCK FRAME WINDOWS THAT ARE MEANT TO BE SET WITHIN THE OPENING. 
          MOST FINAL WINDOWS ARE GONNA HAVE THAT FLAT NAILING STRIP, AND THAT NAILING STRIP IS HOW IT'S INSTALLED. 
          IT IS LITERALLY NAILED TO THE OUTSIDE. 
          AND IF IT'S NAILED TO THE OUTSIDE, THAT MEANS IT'S NOT INSET IN THE OPENING. 
          SO WITH A HISTORIC WINDOW, YOU HAVE THIS NICE KIND OF SHADOW LINE HERE IS ABOUT TWO INCHES DEEP. 
          AND SO WE HAVE STANDARD STIPULATIONS THAT SAY JUST THAT, LIKE, IF WE'RE GONNA REPLACE OR INTRODUCING NEW WINDOWS, IT NEEDS TO HAVE ALL THESE THINGS. 
          SO THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS GENERALLY FOR THE, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE MEMBERS THEMSELVES. 
          UM, THERE'S AN INSTALLATION DEPTH GUIDELINE. 
          UM, THERE'S GUIDELINES FOR GLAZING. 
          THIS HAS ACTUALLY GOTTEN BETTER OVER THE TIME. 
          ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO, UM, LOW E GLASS WAS NOTICEABLY GREEN. 
          AND SO AS WINDOWS WERE COMING IN, THEY WERE GREEN. 
          AND SO WE WOULD LOOK FOR CLEAR GLASS. 
          THAT'S NOT AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE ANYMORE. 
          UM, COLOR ITSELF. 
          UM, SOMETIMES IF A HOUSE IS APPROVED WITH A VINYL OR ALUMINUM PRODUCT AND IT'S WHITE, THAT WHITE COLOR JUST KIND OF LIKE SAYS LIKE, HEY, I'M A REPLACEMENT. 
          LOOK AT ME. 
          AND SO WE HAVE FOUND THAT THE DARKER COLORS ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL. 
          UM, THERE WAS A CASE, UH, ON WEDNESDAY THAT HAD LIKE AN ALMOND COLOR WINDOW THAT MATCHED AND EVERYTHING WAS PAINTED TO MATCH. 
          AND IT KIND OF HELPED LIKE WITH THAT, WITH THAT INITIAL KIND OF, UH, REACTION TO SEEING A REPLACEMENT VINYL WINDOW. 
          SO ALL OF THAT IS CONSIDERED, AGAIN, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
          UM, CORY, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WOOD CLAD? WOOD CLAD? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO THERE'S, SO THERE'S WOOD WINDOWS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE. 
          AGAIN, THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH WOOD WINDOWS, AND I WOULDN'T PUT THESE ON MY OWN HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT AS GOOD QUALITY OF WOOD. 
          YOU HAVE TO REALLY BE ON TOP OF MAINTENANCE AND PAINT THEM PRETTY FREQUENTLY TO KEEP IT FROM ROTTING. 
          BUT AGAIN, I HAVE SEEN VERY EXPENSIVE PELLA OR MARVIN WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE ROTTING. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS WITH WOOD. 
          SO THEY ALSO MAKE A HIGHER END PRODUCT THAT IS ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BASICALLY LOOKS THE SAME, BUT INSTEAD OF THIS EXTERIOR PAINTED SURFACE, IT'S ALUMINUM. 
          AND THAT ALUMINUM CAN COME IN ANY COLOR. 
          YOU CAN ALSO PAINT IT, I THINK, USUALLY. 
          UM, AND SO THE ALUMINUM IS NOW THE EXTERIOR SURFACE. 
          AND SO IT DOESN'T RIDE. 
          IT KIND OF PROTECTS THE, THE WOOD STRUCTURE. 
          UM, BUT GENERALLY THOSE ARE NOT RECOMMENDED FOR EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 
          THOSE ARE ONLY RECOMMENDED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT ARE TRYING TO KINDA LOOK HISTORIC. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE SOMETIMES APPROVED FOR HISTORIC, SOMETIMES APPROVED FOR HISTORIC ADDITIONS. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE VISUALLY SIMILAR, THEY ARE THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF WINDOW YOU CAN PURCHASE ON THE MARKET. 
          SO THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER KIND OF THING. 
          UM, WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT SAY YOU CAN ONLY BE APPROVED IF YOU BUY THE MOST EXPENSIVE THING. 
          UM, BACK TO WINDOW REPAIR IS GENERALLY THAT'S GONNA BE ACCESSIBLE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          BUT AGAIN, LIKE WE HAVE THIS ISSUE WHERE THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT CAN DO IT AND DO IT WELL. 
          AND SO THAT CAN ALSO GET EXPENSIVE. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S ABOUT REALLY ENCOURAGING, ENCOURAGING EACH PROPERTY OWNER TO DO KIND OF A WINDOW BY WINDOW ASSESSMENT, LOOK AT REPLACEMENT, LOOK AT REPAIR, KIND OF WEIGH THE DIFFERENCES, DO WHAT THEY CAN. 
          THERE'S SOME CASES, AGAIN, WHERE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL, WHERE WE FIND A COMPROMISE COMPROMISE HERE AT THIS BOARD, UM, WHERE MAYBE WE, WE REPAIR AS MANY WINDOWS AS WE CAN AND WE MOVE THEM TO THE FRONT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE. 
          AND THEN NEW WINDOWS GO IN THE BACK AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UM, SO, UH, YEAH, THOSE TYPES OF COMPROMISES ALWAYS HAPPEN. 
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UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WINDOWS? BUT NEVER SHOULD IT EVER BE VINYL? NO, GENERALLY NOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I MEAN, IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND BESIDES THAT . 
          YEAH, I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR AN EXISTING WOOD HISTORIC WINDOW TO BE REPLACED WITH VINYL. 
          NOW, AGAIN, THERE'S ALWAYS, AGAIN, VARIABLES LIKE MAYBE, MAYBE THERE WASN'T A WOOD WINDOW. 
          MAYBE I HAVE A HISTORIC HOUSE AND WITH AN OPENING, BUT NO WINDOW IN IT. 
          SO WE KNOW THERE WAS A WINDOW, BUT THE WINDOW'S LONG GONE. 
          IT HAS PLYWOOD. 
          AND SO WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE PLYWOOD WITH A NEW WINDOW. 
          AND SO GENERALLY, YES, LIKE WE WOULD LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT, THAT MEETS THE KNOWN CONDITIONS. 
          LIKE IF THERE'S OTHER WOOD WINDOWS, THEN WE WOULD SAY, YEAH, LIKE YOU SHOULD INSTALL SOMETHING THAT MATCHES. 
          BUT WE ALSO HAVE HISTORIC HOUSES THAT COME TO US THAT WERE REPLACED WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS 50 YEARS AGO. 
          AND SO AGAIN, GOING BACK, WE DON'T MAKE THEM RESTORE IT, BUT WE ARE GONNA WORK WITHIN THE CONFINES OF WHAT'S THERE, AND WE'RE GONNA FIND WORK WITH THAT PERSON TO FIND A PRODUCT THAT IS, THAT IS GETTING CLOSE TO THESE THINGS. 
          RIGHT? UM, BUT TECHNICALLY THEY COULD DO A NEW ALUMINUM WINDOW AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THESE THINGS, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THEM ON THAT. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK THE LAST THING I HAD WAS JUST VIOLATIONS AND ENFORCEMENT IN GENERAL. 
          UM, AND I DON'T HAVE A SIDE FOR THIS. 
          I'M JUST GONNA TALK, BUT I WILL BRING UP MY, MY POWERPOINT. 
          CAN YOU DO THAT FOR ME? HOW ARE WE ON TIME? GOOD. 
          I GUESS, UM, ONE OTHER ITEM I WAS GONNA KIND OF TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS WHAT TO EXPECT WITH A TYPICAL CASE. 
          UM, AND SO THIS, I'VE MENTIONED MOST OF THIS IN YOUR ORIENTATION, BUT WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS THIS IS A, AN OPEN MEETING. 
          SO WE HAVE TO MEET THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT AS PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE. 
          ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN SIGN IN TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING. 
          UM, IN GENERAL, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA OR ON INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS, UM, I'LL BE PROVIDING THE CHAIR A CHAIRMAN STATEMENT THAT'S READ AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH MEETING. 
          AND SO THAT'LL KIND OF OUTLINE THE RULES OF THE MEETING. 
          UM, AND IT ALSO SETS THE SPEAKER TIMES. 
          AND SO THE GENERAL GUIDANCE IS FOR PRESENTERS. 
          SO IF I'M THE APPLICANT PRESENTING MY CASE, WE GIVE THEM 12 MINUTES. 
          WELL,  AND THEN, UH, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD THAT HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK, GET TWO MINUTES. 
          UM, WE ALSO, BECAUSE I MEAN, SINCE COVID AND WE'VE, WE WENT FULLY VIRTUAL, NOW WE'RE KIND OF MOSTLY IN PERSON, BUT WE DO HAVE A VIRTUAL OPTION FOR APPLICANTS AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, IS THAT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN ALSO LEAVE COMMENTS VIRTUALLY. 
          AND SO THAT'S TO THE METHOD OF VOICEMAIL. 
          UM, SO WHEN THE AGENDA'S POSTED, THERE'S ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR HOW YOU DO THAT. 
          THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER THAT YOU CAN CALL. 
          WE GET THEM, WE CURATE THEM. 
          WE, WE PUT THEM WITH THE RIGHT CASES. 
          WE, WHEN WE READ THOSE CASES, WE'LL PLAY THE VOICEMAILS THAT CORRESPOND. 
          AND SO THAT'S REALLY EFFICIENT, UM, AND CONVENIENT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WANNA PARTICIPATE, BUT DON'T WANNA SIT HERE WHILE THAT CASE IS WAITING TO BE HEARD. 
          UM, AND SO WE'LL PLAY THOSE VOICEMAILS. 
          IT'S A REALLY GOOD OPTION FOR PEOPLE. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GROUPS WILL USE THAT OPTION. 
          SO THEY WILL REVIEW ALL THE CASES AT THEIR COMMITTEES. 
          UM, THEY WILL SEND IN VOICEMAIL COMMENTS FOR ALL THE CASES IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND IF THEY'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT IT, THEY'LL SHOW UP HERE AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL SAY THEIR COMMENTS INTO THE RECORD, BUT IT EFFECTIVELY DOES THE SAME THING. 
          YEAH. 
          WHY DON'T YOU, IS IT THE SAME PROCESS AS FAR AS, UH, I THINK YOU MIGHT'VE JUST WENT OVER THIS, BUT SO WILL C TTAB BE RECEIVING THE SAME COMMENTS? VOICEMAILS? MM-HMM. 
           AND STUFF? YEAH. 
          SO'S JUST LIKE THE HDRC PROCESS? YEAH, IT'LL LOOK JUST LIKE HDRC. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO WHEN A CASE IS HEARD, UM, THE CASE MANAGER WILL BE SITTING HERE, THEY WILL READ IT INTO THE RECORD. 
          UM, WE WILL NOT READ THE ENTIRE THING. 
          UM, WE'LL JUST GIVE YOU THE FACTS, UM, LIKE THE BASIC DETAILS, LIKE WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, WHAT THE PROPERTY IS, AND THEN WE'LL READ STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND SO WE'LL DO THAT RECOMMENDATION IN THE STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, WE WILL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP TO SPEAK. 
          THE APPLICANT CAN BE THE PROPERTY OWNER OR CAN ALSO BE THE APP OR THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE. 
          SO IT MIGHT BE A CONTRACTOR, IT MIGHT BE A DESIGNER. 
          UM, IT MIGHT BE THEIR, THEIR FAMILY MEMBER HELPING THEM OUT. 
          UM, IT MIGHT BE AN ATTORNEY. 
          UM, SO THAT APPLICANT WILL COME UP, LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, WE WILL INVITE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO USUALLY WE'RE PLAYING VOICEMAILS AT THAT TIME, BUT IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND, AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK IN PERSON, WE WOULD CALL THEM UP TO GIVE THEIR TWO MINUTES AS WELL. 
          AT THAT TIME, YOU WILL HAVE THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE ALL THE WITNESSES HERE. 
          SO STAFF, THE APPLICANT, ANYBODY THAT SPOKE TO GAIN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE REQUEST. 
          AND SO YOU'LL ASK QUESTIONS, UM, THAT 
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WE USUALLY GO ON FOR A FEW MINUTES. 
          UM, AND THEN WE DON'T WANT TO START DISCUSSING THE CASE UNTIL WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE, ON THE FLOOR. 
          UM, SO THE CHAIR WILL CALL FOR A MOTION OR SOMEBODY CAN APPLY, THEY'RE READY TO MAKE A MOTION AND EVERYONE NODS AND THAT PERSON DOES IT. 
          UM, SO ONCE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, THEN WE'LL START DISCUSSING. 
          AND SO WE DO HAVE RECOMMENDED SPEAKING TIMES FOR COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, IT'S THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          UM, I DON'T ALWAYS SET THE TIMER, SO I DON'T ALWAYS REMEMBER. 
          UM, SO, UM, TRY TO JUST, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE SCREEN JUST LIKE THAT SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT. 
          SO JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT MAKING SURE EVERYBODY GETS A TURN TO, TO BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          UM, AND THE CHAIR OBVIOUSLY CAN GIVE YOU AN EXTRA TIME OR THEY CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PERSON IF, IF THAT'S HOW THEY WANT TO CONDUCT THE HEARING. 
          UM, SO WE USUALLY DO A ROUND OF DISCUSSION. 
          UM, UH, IF THERE'S, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE MOTIONS, THEN THOSE CAN BE MADE AS WELL, UM, AND VOTED ON. 
          UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, FOR COA REQUESTS, WE JUST NEED A SIMPLE MAJORITY. 
          AND SO WE'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL AND WE'LL LOOK FOR A SIMPLE MAJORITY. 
          IF WE DON'T GET A SIMPLE MAJORITY, THEN WE'LL NEED TO, TO ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION. 
          UM, AND THEN IF WE HAVE THREE FAILED MOTIONS, THEN WE HAVE TO CONTINUE THE CASE. 
          SO WE USUALLY ARE WORKING. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THIS WAS FROM YOUR ORIENTATIONS. 
          ANOTHER OPTION THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR TOOL BELT IS TO REFER TO SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE REALLY IN DEEP WITH A CASE AND YOU HAVEN'T GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS, IT'S CONFUSING OR YOU FEEL LIKE YOU JUST NEED TO GO ON THE PROPERTY AND SEE IT FOR YOURSELF, YOU CAN, UH, THE, THE MOTION COULD BE REFERRED TO COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT CAN BE APPROVED. 
          IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN WE WILL SCHEDULE THE SITE VISIT AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THAT COMMITTEE MEETING ON SITE, UM, TO REVIEW IT. 
          AND THEN IT'LL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA HERE SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. 
          COREY, DO WE HAVE, UH, DRC AND PRE-SUBMIT TO JUST LIKE HDC MM-HMM. 
           OR, YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING ALREADY. 
          UM, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO HANDLE IT THE SAME WAY. 
          OH, IT'S JUST THE SAME ONE. 
          IT'LL BE THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SCHEDULE GENERALLY, UM, IF WE END UP HAVING, WE MIGHT KIND OF DIVIDE AND CONQUER. 
          LIKE WE USUALLY, WE'VE BEEN DOING SITE VISITS ON WEDNESDAYS, AND SO WE MIGHT SPECIFICALLY INVITE CTA MEMBERS TO ONE SITE VISIT AND HCRC MEMBERS TO ANOTHER, JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CASE IS. 
          UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW MANY WE'RE HAVING BEFORE WE DECIDE HOW WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THINGS UP. 
          SO, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S GONNA STAY THE SAME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THE QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IN ATTENDANCE, THAT HAPPENS BEFORE THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR? YES. 
          IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN I HAVE A, A QUESTION AND NOW I HAVE A THOUGHT, RIGHT? . 
          SO YEAH, JUST REALLY TRY TO GAIN INFORMATION AT THAT LEVEL. 
          UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION. 
          MM-HMM, , UM, SO ON THE SCREEN IS A SAMPLE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO THIS WAS A VIOLATION CASE, RIGHT? UH, HERE'S A VIOLATION. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A VIOLATION CASE. 
          UM, SO WE BASICALLY PRETEND IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, SO YOU SHOULD BE REVIEWING THESE KIND OF IMPARTIALLY, UM, FOR ITS FACE VALUE, UH, WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. 
          UM, BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE PICTURES, AND SO IT'S GONNA BE OBVIOUSLY THAT IT OBVIOUS THAT IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. 
          AND SO YOU'LL HAVE TO KIND OF DEAL WITH THAT. 
          UM, WHY DON'T YOU SCROLL DOWN TO THE, UM, INSPECTION REPORT. 
          SO WHEN WE GET, SO VIOLATIONS COME TO US A FEW WAYS. 
          UM, SOMETIMES WE JUST SEE THEM WHEN WE'RE OUT, UH, DOING OUR NORMAL BUSINESS. 
          UM, USUALLY THEY'RE COMING TO US AS THE FORM OF REPORTS. 
          AND SO WE GET THOSE THROUGH 3 1 1, AND WE ALSO GET THEM JUST BY EMAIL. 
          UM, WE HAVE AN EMAIL, IT'S REPORT@SAPRESERVATION.COM THAT ANYBODY CAN USE, UM, AND, AND REPORT POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS ANONYMOUSLY. 
          UM, IF WE HAVE A POTENTIAL VIOLATION, WE HAVE TO INVESTIGATE. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES WE WILL ALREADY BE WORKING WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER, AND SO WE WILL JUST REACH OUT TO THEM AND SAY LIKE, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND WE'LL GET THE INFORMATION THAT WAY. 
          SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO DO A SITE VISIT. 
          WHEN WE DO A SITE VISIT, WE DO WHAT EDWARD'S ABOUT TO SHOW YOU, WHICH IS THE INSPECTION FORM. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A REPORT THAT GETS GENERATED WHEN WE'VE BEEN ON SITE THAT JUST SAYS WHAT HAPPENED, WHO WAS THERE, WHO WE SPOKE WITH, WHAT WE OBSERVED. 
          AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT ARE THE PHOTOS THAT STAFF TOOK. 
          SO SCROLL DOWN. 
          SO WE'VE GOT TIMESTAMPED PHOTOS THAT WERE PART OF THE INSPECTION, SO YOU'LL HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, USUALLY IF WORK HAS STARTED WITHOUT APPROVAL, WE WILL ISSUE A STOP WORK ORDER. 
          UM, IF IT'S ALREADY KIND OF STOPPED AND AFTER THE FACT, WE'LL JUST GIVE THEM A VIOLATION NOTICE AND WE WILL INVITE THEM TO COME AND WORK WITH US ON COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, THERE'S SEVERAL REMEDIES FOR COMPLIANCE, BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE TO EITHER RE REVERSE IT BACK TO THE CONDITION BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, MANIPULATE IT OR CHANGE THE SITE. 
          UM, OR YOU HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FOR WHAT YOU DID, AND SO YOU CAN GET APPROVAL FOR WHAT YOU DID EITHER AT THE STAFF LEVEL OR AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL. 
          UM, WITH STAFF, WE, WE WILL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, WE'LL SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU DID THIS WITHOUT APPROVAL, BUT YOU'RE KIND OF CLOSE TO MEETING THE GUIDELINES. 
          LIKE, WHAT IF YOU DID THIS? AND THEY'LL 
          [01:15:01]
DO IT. 
          AND SO WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM THAT WAY. 
          IF IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THEY DON'T WANNA REVERSE IT, THEN IT'S GOTTA COME HERE FOR REMEDY BEFORE IT GOES ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          UM, AFTER, AFTER WE HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO IF YOU GIVE THEM APPROVAL TO DO SOMETHING, WE WILL GIVE THEM A TIMELINE TO KIND OF DO IT WITHIN REASON. 
          OR IF YOU GIVE THEM A DENIAL AND THEY HAVE TO REVERSE IT, WE'LL AGAIN, GIVE THEM A TIMELINE TO KIND OF REVERSE THAT AND COME INTO COMPLIANCE. 
          AFTER WHICH, THE ONLY OTHER REMEDY WOULD BE A MUNICIPAL COURT CASE. 
          AND SO WE WILL EVENTUALLY FILE THOSE WITH A MUNICIPAL COURT AND, UM, WE WOULD SEEK, UM, REMEDY THAT WAY. 
          AND THE ONLY OUTCOME REALLY IS A JUDGE ISSUING FINES FOR THE VIOLATION. 
          AND SO FINES CAN BE BY DAY PER VIOLATION, THEY CAN ESCALATE. 
          IF YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW VIOLATIONS, THE JUDGE CAN DECIDE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REPLACE 15 WINDOWS WITHOUT APPROVAL, THERE CAN BE A VIOLATION PER WINDOW JUST DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ORDER IS. 
          BUT OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS TO AVOID GETTING TO THAT POINT. 
          UM, SO WE ALWAYS TRY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE IN, IN THIS ARENA AND FIND COMPROMISE AND FIND A PATH FORWARD BECAUSE THAT IS THE QUICKEST WAY TO RESOLUTION. 
          UM, IF WE GO THROUGH MISSAL COURT, IT COULD BE A YEAR BEFORE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A JUDGE'S ORDERS, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM IS. 
          UM, SO CORY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON EACH OF THOSE? SO FROM WHEN THE INITIAL VIOLATION IS TO, WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, TO WHEN IT GOES TO COURT, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR EACH? AND DEPENDS ON HOW, AND ALL THAT DEPENDS HOW MOTIVATED THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER OR APPLICANT IS. 
          IT CAN BE VERY QUICK. 
          LIKE IF WE GET WITH THEM AND THEY SAY, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW, LIKE, I WANNA RESOLVE THIS, WE CAN FIX IT THAT DAY. 
          IF IT REQUIRES A COMMISSION HEARING, THEN IT'S THE NORMAL COMMISSION TIMELINE, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT A MONTH FOR, FOR THIS BODY. 
          UM, AND THEN AFTER THE ACTION, IF THERE'S TIME ASSOCIATED, UM, WE GENERALLY WILL GIVE PEOPLE LIKE, UM, 14 DAYS, A COUPLE WEEKS TO GIVE US A PLAN. 
          AND THEN THE PLAN CAN BE LIKE UP TO THREE TO SIX MONTHS TO EXECUTE. 
          LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE, BUT THIS BODY CAN ALSO, AS PART OF ITS ACTION, STIPULATE IT'S GOTTA BE DONE IN 30 DAYS OR WHATEVER. 
          AND SO WE, WE WOULD THEN ENFORCE THAT IF THAT WAS THE ACTION. 
          AND WHAT, HOW OFTEN DO Y'ALL FOLLOW UP AND IS IT CONSTANT OR DO YOU JUST GO BACK AT THE END OF THE DEADLINE AND REVIEW OR? YEAH, WELL, AND SO ANOTHER THING, THEY DON'T COME INTO COMPLIANCE RIGHT AFTER HDRC OR NOW THIS GROUP, WE PLAY BY EAR. 
          UM, AGAIN, NOT ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE THE SAME. 
          LIKE, IF SOMEBODY IS ACTIVELY WORKING WITH US AND WE'RE IN, WE HAVE GOOD COMMUNICATION HAPPENING, THEN WE'LL WORK WITH THEM. 
          IF WE GET THE FEELING LIKE WE'RE NEVER GONNA SEE THIS PERSON AGAIN, WE WILL WORK WITH THEM ON A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT FORM. 
          WE'LL GET EVERYTHING ON PAPER, WE'LL GET SIGNATURES, AND THEN THAT GIVES US A LITTLE MORE TEETH FOR ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN IT GIVES VERY CLEAR EXPECTATIONS. 
          LIKE WE NEED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO GIVE MR. HALL YOUR PLANS BY THIS DATE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE APPROVAL BY THIS DATE. 
          AND SO WE, WE GIVE THEM A VERY CLEAR TIMELINE THAT OF MILESTONES THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN IF THEY DON'T MEET THAT, THEN IT GOES TO THE MUNICIPAL. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN THE ONLY REMEDY IS FINDING, FINDING AND YEAH, FINDING AND FINING. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          FINDING AND FINING . 
          THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, NOT ADMITTEDLY NOT SUPER EFFECTIVE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO REALLY KIND OF MOTIVATE PEOPLE, UH, TO FIND A COMPROMISE. 
          AND LIKE, OBVIOUSLY THE COMPROMISE SHOULDN'T BE LIKE WE DISREGARDED OUR POLICY AND WE JUST LET YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU ALREADY DID IT. 
          BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS A PATH FORWARD AND WE, AGAIN, TRY TO WORK WITHIN THIS BODY 'CAUSE YOU ARE THE EXPERTS. 
          UM, AND SO WE, WE WANT YOU TO USE YOUR EXPERTISE TO FIND A SOLUTION. 
          THERE'S LOT, LOT OF HOMES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I KNOW. 
          I'LL TALK TO YOU LATER. 
          YEAH, I KNOW WHICH ONES YOU'RE THINKING OF TOO, PROBABLY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT IS ALL I HAVE. 
          UM, SO THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS BODY, UM, YOU WOULD BE SEEING A AGENDA FROM US ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE FEBRUARY 23RD, WHICH WOULD BE 16TH. 
          CAN DO THE MATH, THE 16TH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, WE WILL BE MAKING SURE WE HAVE ATTENDANCE FOR THAT MEETING. 
          UH, WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST, AT LEAST SIX PEOPLE TO, TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO EXPECT, IDEALLY SOME ADDITIONAL APPOINTMENTS. 
          SO, UM, OUR MEMBERSHIP SHOULD BE INCREASING. 
          COREY, CAN YOU JUST GO OVER, UM, THE APPLICATION PROCESS COST? HOW DOES THAT WHOLE TIMELINE WORK? YEAH, CAN YOU GO TO THE PORTAL, EDWARD? ACTUALLY YEAH, IF YOU'LL GO JUST TO OUR HOMEPAGE AND THEN SHOW US LIKE HOW A, A PERSON WOULD NAVIGATE TO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, OUR HOMEPAGE. 
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HE DID IT TOO QUICK, BUT JUST THERE ON THAT FIRST UH, PAGE, THERE'S A BUTTON THAT SAYS SUBMIT AN APPLICATION. 
          YOU CAN ALSO GO THROUGH THE MENU AND GET THERE. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICATION PORTAL LOOKS LIKE. 
          MOST PEOPLE WILL BE USING THAT COA REQUEST. 
          AND SO YOU WILL JUST PUT IN YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY ADDRESS. 
          UM, ONCE YOU DO THAT, IT JUST HAS YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS AND YOU CAN UPLOAD YOUR, YOUR DOCUMENTS. 
          SO THAT'S GENERALLY GONNA BE YOUR PHOTOS AND YOUR, YOUR ARCHITECTURAL PLANS. 
          UM, ONCE WE HAVE THAT, IT COMES TO US ON THE BACKEND. 
          WE PROCESS IT, WE SCHEDULE IT FOR A HEARING. 
          WE HAVE INTERNAL STAFF REVIEW MEETINGS AS NEEDED TO DECIDE IF WE CAN DO IT ADMINISTRATIVELY OR IF IT NEEDS TO COME TO THE COMMISSION OR WHAT WE SHOULD COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF, HEY, IF YOU DO THIS, IT'LL MEET THE GUIDELINES AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE COMMISSION. 
          WE ALWAYS PLAY THAT CARD FIRST. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, WE, WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE GOOD BEHAVIOR AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES BEFORE COMING HERE WITH, WITH SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW ISN'T GONNA BE APPROVED. 
          RIGHT? UM, SO THIS IS THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS. 
          THERE'S NO FEE AND THAT'S VERY INTENTIONAL. 
          UM, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A FINANCIAL OBLIGATION JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN A STORE DISTRICT. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE PROCESS IS PRETTY ACCESSIBLE. 
          UM, WE TRY TO MAKE IT AS EASY AND PAINLESS AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A BIG PROJECT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET THE DOCUMENTATION STANDARDS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SUBMIT EVERYTHING WE NEED TO REVIEW IT. 
          UM, AND IT MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME TO GET IT RIGHT. 
          AND SO, UM, AGAIN, OUR STAFF IS PRETTY GOOD ABOUT SETTING THOSE EXPECTATIONS UP FRONT SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THEN IN PREPARA AND PREPARING THEM FOR THIS MEETING, FOR THE HEARING AS WE REALLY TRY TO COACH THEM ON WHAT THEY SHOULD FOCUS ON, ON WHAT YOUR COMMENTS WILL LIKELY BE. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO GET UP HERE AND BE DURING THE HEADLIGHTS AND CONFUSED AND NOT KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          THAT STILL HAPPENS DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS, BUT WE DO KIND OF THAT, THAT BACKGROUND WORK OF GETTING PEOPLE PREPARED FOR THE HEARING SO THAT THE CONVERSATION HERE IS PRODUCTIVE AND EFFICIENT. 
          HEY COREY, QUICK QUESTION. 
          LOOKING AT SOME OF THE EXAMPLES HE SENT, UM, NUMBER FOUR, THE KING WILLIAM 1 38, YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL. 
          SO IF, IF, IF, IF IT'S APPROVAL, WHY IS IT MAKING IT TO COMMITTEE? YEAH, SO THE CODE SAYS WHICH ITEMS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR STAFF APPROVAL. 
          SO BACK IN THE OLD DAY, EVERYTHING CAME TO HDRC. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS TOO MANY THINGS. 
          AND SO THE, THE CODE WAS AMENDMENT TO ALLOW MORE THINGS TO BE REVIEWED AT THE STAFF LEVEL. 
          AND SO THE CODE ACTUALLY HAS A LIST OF THINGS THAT STAFF CAN APPROVE AND IT'S NOT EVERYTHING. 
          SO JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING CONFORMS WITH ALL OF THE POLICY AND ADOPTIVE STANDARDS, UM, DOESN'T MEAN THAT STAFF CAN JUST APPROVE IT. 
          IT STILL HAS TO COME TO THE COMMISSION. 
          NOW WHAT WE DO DO IS WE ARRANGE THE AGENDA IN A WAY TO WHERE WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA AND AN INDIVIDUAL AGENDA. 
          SO CONSENT ITEMS ARE ONES WHERE WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR WE'VE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO SAY YES TO, AND THEY'RE GONNA DOCUMENT THEM WITH US. 
          SO THERE'S USUALLY NOT A LOT OF DISCUSSION. 
          SO AT THE LAST HEARING, WE HAD 16 ITEMS ON CONSENT. 
          UM, WE WILL PRESENT THOSE ALL AT ONCE. 
          UM, WE WILL HAVE ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT ONCE. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU ALL CAN PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. 
          SO IF WE GET PUBLIC COMMENTS SAYING LIKE, HEY, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, OR WE HAVE QUESTIONS, OR IF YOU REVIEWED THE MATERIALS AND SOMETHING'S NOT CLEAR TO YOU, YOU CAN PULL IT. 
          UM, OR IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S FINE TOO. 
          YOU CAN PULL IT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AND THEN WHATEVER THE OUTCOME OF THAT INDIVIDUAL REVIEW IS, IS THE OUTCOME. 
          UM, CONSENT ITEMS ARE APPROVED ALL AT ONCE, AND SO THEY'RE ALL APPROVED WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, SO THEY ARE OTHERWISE NOT DISCUSSED. 
          THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS ARE THE ONES THAT DO NOT MEET GUIDELINES OR, UM, WE'VE ADDED STIPULATIONS THAT WE THINK WE GET IT TO MEET GUIDELINES THAT THEY, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO. 
          AND SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A CASE MIGHT BE PERFECTLY FINE. 
          IT MIGHT HAVE FIVE STIPULATIONS, BUT THERE'S ONE THING THAT THEY WANNA COME HERE AND WORK WITH YOU ALL TO CHANGE. 
          AND SO IT MIGHT BE HARD INDIVIDUALLY JUST FOR THAT ONE KIND OF MINOR THING. 
          IT'S JUST UP TO THE APPLICANT TO TELL US WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. 
          UM, THIS IS NOT THE AGENDA, THIS IS KIND OF TRACKING. 
          AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS LIKE YOUR AGENDA AT A GLANCE. 
          WE HAVE THIS AVAILABLE, UM, AT THE HEARINGS ON THE SCREEN. 
          AND THEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARING, WHEN WE ARE GOING THROUGH CONSENT ITEMS AND YOU'RE PULLING THINGS, WE'LL HAVE THIS ON THE SCREEN SO THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IT'S JUST HARD, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA IS USUALLY LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT PAGES, AND SO IT'S HARD TO FLIP THROUGH THAT ON THE SCREEN. 
          AND SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK WAY TO VISUALIZE THAT. 
          YES. 
          JUST TO IMPROVE MY FAMILIARITY WITH THE, THE RHYTHM OF THE PROCESS. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN BE THERE IN PERSON, BUT I WAS GONNA TRY TO CATCH SOME OF THE NEXT ONE OF THE NEXT HDRC MEETINGS. 
          YEAH, I'M LOOKING ON, UH, SA SPEAKUP. 
          IT SHOULD BE RECORDED ARCHIVED THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          EDWARD'S GONNA SHOW YOU, UM, THE, THE EASIEST WAY TO GET THERE. 
          YEAH, THERE'S A WAY THERE. 
          SO GO TO HDRC AGENDA. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A TINY LITTLE LINK TO THE TVSA PAGE. 
          YOU COULD ALSO GOOGLE SAN ANTONIO TVSA 
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AND CLICK ON GOVERNMENT AND CLICK ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          THAT'S ONE WAY TO GET THERE. 
          YOU CAN ALSO GO TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WEBSITE AND NAVIGATE THERE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING. 
          AND SO ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT MEET IN THIS ROOM ARE HOSTED HERE. 
          LOOK, THERE YOU ARE. 
          . 
          THAT'S NOT AWKWARD. 
          NO. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS LIVE, IT'S, AND IT'S DELAYED BY ABOUT 20 OR 30 SECONDS, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE STILL ASKING YOUR QUESTION. 
          BUT THEN AFTER IT'S DONE BEING LIVE, THE RECORDINGS GO HERE. 
          AND SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE RECORDED, UH, HEARING THAT'S POSTED TO SWAG IT. 
          AND THEN IF YOU, I THOUGHT THEY INDEXED IT. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU CLICK ON INDIVIDUAL? YEAH, IT, I, SO HERE SOMETIMES YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO CLICK AND IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THE TOP MARK FOR YEAH. 
          SO MAYBE WE'RE NOT INDEXING 'EM THE SAME WAY ANYMORE, BUT THAT IS THE RECORDING OF THE HEARING. 
          THAT IS A LONG ONE. 
          BUT FEEL FREE, LIKE ESPECIALLY THE BEGINNING, LIKE WATCH HOW WE KIND OF RUN IT. 
          'CAUSE WE TRY TO GET IT GOING PRETTY QUICKLY, ESPECIALLY WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA. 
          UH, WE DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON CEREMONIALS AND ALL OF THAT. 
          SO THE, UM, THE POWERPOINT FROM TODAY AND THEN THE GUIDELINES DOCUMENT THAT HANDBOOK. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          ARE BOTH OF THOSE AVAILABLE ONLINE? YES. 
          UM, SO EDWARD, ONCE AGAIN, WHY DON'T YOU GO JUST GO TO THE HOMEPAGE AND NOW GO TO MENU AND GO TO PROJECT REVIEW AND PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          ACTUALLY CLICK ON, CLICK ON IT. 
          SO THERE'S A FEW RESOURCES HERE. 
          UM, A LOT OF THESE ARE KIND OF, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL PUBLIC FACING, BUT THE BEFORE GETTING STARTED PAGE IN PARTICULAR IS ONE THAT WE GIVE TO JUST PEOPLE THAT ARE NEW TO THE PROCESS, NEED TO KNOW ALL OF THE INFORMATION. 
          UM, WE DO AN ANNUAL DOOR HANGER CAMPAIGN, SO EVERYBODY THAT HAS A HISTORIC DESIGNATED PROPERTY GETS A DOOR HANGER WITH A QR CODE LINKED TO THAT BEFORE GETTING STARTED PAGE. 
          AND SO EVERYTHING IS AVAILABLE THERE. 
          UM, BUT BOARDS AND COMMISSION IS GONNA BE WHERE THE AGENDAS AND INFORMATION ABOUT BOTH THE HDRC AND THE CTA ARE, AND THEN DESIGN GUIDELINES AND POLICY, ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. 
          AND SO THAT POWERPOINT'S GONNA BE, OH, SORRY, SORRY. 
          SO THAT POWERPOINT'S GONNA BE UNDER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          UM, WHICH POWERPOINT? THE ONE THAT YOU'RE USING TODAY? NO. 
          UM, WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN DROP THAT INTO SHAREPOINT AND I CAN SHARE THAT. 
          SO THERE IS A RESOURCES FOLDER THAT I CAN GET TO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE YOU SHOULD PROBABLY DROP ABOUT YOUR, UH, UPCOMING HOMEOWNERS HISTORIC HOMEOWNER FAIR? YEAH, I SHOULD. 
          UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT SHANNON SAID WE'RE THE BEST DEPARTMENT IS 'CAUSE WE ARE, BUT THEN ALSO WE DO A LOT OF, WE VERY INTENTIONALLY DO A LOT OF, UM, OUTREACH, UH, EFFORTS, UH, JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF EVERYTHING WORKS BETTER WHEN WE HAVE AN INFORMED COMMUNITY AND THERE'S BUY-IN. 
          UM, AND SO WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH, UM, OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT RESIDENTS. 
          WE HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT COALITION THAT MEETS AND WE KIND OF, IT'S AN ONGOING CONVERSATION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT ISSUES. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UH, QUARTERLY PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN COME TO AND LEARN ABOUT, LIKE POLICY KIND OF THINGS AND YOU KNOW, HOW THE CITY OPERATES. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE EDUCATIONAL THINGS. 
          AND SO, UM, THE BIG ONE THAT'S COMING UP IS OUR ANNUAL HISTORIC HOMEOWNER AFFAIR. 
          IT'S ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 15 YEARS AND IT'S ONE OF OUR BUS BIGGEST EVENTS. 
          UM, IT'S FREE. 
          ANYBODY CAN COME. 
          UM, IT'S REALLY GREAT IF YOU LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, OR IF YOU JUST HAVE AN OLDER HOME. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE CAPITAL H HISTORIC DESIGNATED, UM, JUST DEALING WITH AN OLDER HOUSE. 
          UM, BUT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF RESOURCES. 
          WE HAVE, UH, EXHIBITOR BOOTHS THAT ARE CONTRACTORS AND SPECIALISTS AND DESIGN PROFESSIONALS AND ELECTRICIANS AND LIKE THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, WHAT'S THAT? AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, OF COURSE. 
          UM, NONPROFITS, UM, AND CITY SERVICES. 
          AND SO ALL THAT INFORMATION IS THERE FOR FREE. 
          UM, WE DO A TREAT GIVEAWAY, UM, AND WE DO EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS. 
          AND SO, UM, SAWS LIKE THE, THE WATER SAVER PROGRAM FOLKS WILL BE THERE TALKING ABOUT ZERO, ESCAPING AGAIN, THAT'S A POPULAR ONE. 
          UM, WE WILL BE, UH, WE DO A-A-D-I-Y OR A REHABBER CLUB DIY PANEL, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING PROJECTS CAN, UH, DO Q AND A WITH A PANEL OF EXPERTS. 
          AND SO WE'LL HAVE A CONTRACTOR AND AN ARCHITECT AND A, A HOMEOWNER THERE KIND OF GIVING THEIR EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S A GREAT RESOURCE. 
          AND IF, I MEAN, A LOT OF YOU ARE KIND OF NEW TO THE WORLD OF OHP, AND SO THIS IS A GREAT THING TO DO, UM, ON A SATURDAY. 
          UM, JUST FOR, IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, UM, IT'S GONNA BE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER NEXT SATURDAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AGAIN, UM, TO ECHO UH, SHANNON'S REMARKS EARLIER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          UM, AND 
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SORRY ABOUT THE EMAILS, BUT THAT IS, THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          YOU'RE GONNA GET EMAILS. 
          UM, WE, WE WANNA HAVE AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION AND SO I THINK A LOT OF YOU DO HAVE MY, MY NUMBER. 
          IF, UM, YOU EVER WANT TO TEXT A QUICK QUESTION OR EMAIL ME, I'M AVAILABLE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, YOU'LL BE WORKING MORE WITH THESE GUYS AS WE GET INTO, UM, INDIVIDUAL CASE REVIEW. 
          AND SO IF YOU EVER HAVE EVER HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT A CASE, UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE CASE MANAGER IS OR ASK ME AND WE CAN GET YOU ANSWERS. 
          UM, AND WITH THAT I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY ADJOURNED. 
          UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN? TECHNICALLY, YES. 
          SO MOVED. 
          ALRIGHT, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU.
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