Feb 07, 2024 Historic and Design Review Commission

THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS MONICA SINO.

IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE A CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.

AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON THE TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.

IF YOU ARE THE OWNER, O OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.

CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.

SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.

PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.

CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.

AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.

OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ELECTION OF OFFICERS.

UH, GOOD TO SEE YOU EVERYBODY.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM,

[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ]

UM, SO IN A MOMENT I'LL TAKE NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR.

UM, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I DO WANNA RECOGNIZE OUR OUTGOING CHAIR, JEFFREY FETZER, UM, WHO CAME ON AS CHAIR IN 2019 AND HAS SERVED, UM, ALMOST FIVE YEARS, UM, SINCE THEN.

UM, SO I WAS THROUGH COVID AND, AND GOING THROUGH VIRTUAL MEETINGS AND BEING A BIG HELP DURING THAT TIME 'CAUSE I WAS LEARNING FOR EVERYONE.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM AND RECOGNIZE HIS, UM, HIS, UH, YEARS OF SERVICE.

IT'S BEEN AN HONOR.

SO WITH THAT, I CAN TAKE NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR.

I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER GIBBS.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

CONGRATULATIONS MR. GIBBS.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR WITH JAY GIBBS AS CHAIR.

AND I WILL, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO SWITCH SEATS OR NOT, BUT .

AND THEN I WILL TAKE NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.

I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER FETZER.

WE CAN GO TO OUR, UM, SECOND ITEM OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF BD MINUTES FROM JANUARY 15TH.

FIRST AND SECOND, DO WE HAVE, UM, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

ANOTHER UNANIMOUS VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS.

UM, AND WITH THAT

[Approval of Minutes]

IS THAT RIGHT? 17TH.

SO I'LL WAIT FOR, UH, CHAIRMAN GIBBS TO CALL FOR A MOTION FOR THAT.

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MR. CHAIR, DO YOU WANNA CALL FOR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES? CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES, PLEASE? MR. CHAIR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE LAST MEETING'S.

MINUTES.

ATTENTION TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

UM, NOW WE CAN DRAW OUR

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]

WE HAVE 13 ITEMS ON CONSENT.

UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR JUST ONE ITEM 13, AND WE'LL PLAY THIS NOW.

MY NAME IS LISA LYNN, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, ARCHITE PATROL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 5 0 9 MADISON STREET.

CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 0 4 6.

DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE OHP STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS.

IN AS MUCH AS THE STRUCTURE WILL NO LONGER BE A DUPLEX DWELLING, A SINGLE FRONT DOOR IS APPROPRIATE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.

THE PROPOSED SYMMETRICAL COMPOSITION OF THE WINDOWS AND SINGLE DOOR ON THE FRONT FACADE IS IN KEEPING WITH THE DESIGN APPROACH OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC CONTRIBUTION TO KING WILLIAM DISTRICT.

WE THEREFORE RECOMMEND THAT THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION OF THE FRONT FACADE BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.

WE CONCUR WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE TWO STORY AND ONE STORY REAR ADDITIONS AS WELL.

THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.

COMMISSIONERS.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE ALSO LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS.

DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER THREE.

ITEM NUMBER THREE.

MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN FOR COMMENT.

ITEM SEVEN, MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE NO OTHERS.

I MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS THE, THE ITEM THREE AND ITEM SEVEN.

UH, ALL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER, SO LET, LET ME, LET ME SAY THIS.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? A SO MOVED.

IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 0 7 SOUTH PINE, NINE 50 EAST HILDEBRAND AND 39 0 3 NORTH ST.

MARY'S, 9,800 AIRPORT BOULEVARD, 3 24 GARFIELD ALLEY, 5 23 EAST SATCH 6 0 1 NOLAN 70 38 SYMPHONY LANE, 2 37, CLAUDIA THREE 10 BRAHAM, FIVE 18 EAST PARK IN 5 0 9 MADISON, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO SAVE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

UH, ON THE SCREEN NOW IS THE SITE PLAN FOR ITEM NUMBER 3 12 10 EAST DELMIRA, UH, EXCUSE ME, EDWARD.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS CASE.

LET IT BE KNOWN THAT, UM, VICE CHAIR FETZER IS RECUSING AND LEAVING THE ROOM.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, MICHAEL ELDER ONLINE, LET THE RECORD STATE THAT SHE, UM, VICE CHAIRMAN FESTER, HAS LEFT THE ROOM.

UM, APPLICANT, YOU CAN GO AHEAD.

YEP.

UM, MR. CHAIR, I PULLED THIS BECAUSE I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE SITE PLAN.

UH, OKAY.

I TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE ON THE SITE PLAN.

OKAY, SURE.

UM, IT APPEARS THAT I, I DON'T, OH, THERE IT IS.

THIS ONE DOESN'T SHOW, I DON'T THINK IT SHOWS THE PROPERTY LINE.

HOWEVER, MY QUESTION IS AS WE MOVE FROM ON THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE FROM EAST TO WEST, AND WE ARRIVE AND WE ARRIVE AT THE HOTEL, OR WHAT WILL BE RIGHT NOW IS A PARKING LOT WILL BE A HOTEL.

UH, WE SHOW AN AN, UM, LET'S SEE.

WE SHOW A SERIES OF STAIRS AS WELL AS RAMPS.

UM, CORRECT.

COMING OFF OF THAT, DO WE HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE FROM THAT WEST BANK DOWN TO THE RIVERWALK? WE DO.

UM,

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WHEN IT'S, LET'S START ON THAT FIRST ONE REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO NOTE SOMETHING.

WHEN WE FIRST INSTALL THE BRIDGE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE OPEN BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A BRIDGE SNOW WHERE THIS ELMIRA STREET PARKING LOT IS GONNA BE A CONSTRUCTION SITE.

UM, SO THIS ISN'T REALLY WHAT IT'S EVER, IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE THIS, BUT NOBODY'S GONNA WALK ACROSS IT WHEN, WHEN IT'S OPENED.

IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SIDE, NEXT SLIDE.

WHAT IT, WHAT THE PATH DOWN WILL BE, UM, IS YOU COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE FROM THE, FROM THE, I GUESS THE EAST SIDE TO THE WEST SIDE, YOU TAKE A RIGHT.

UM, AND YOU GO AROUND THE HOTEL AND THIS, THIS MYRTLE STREET WE'RE MAKING THIS POCKET PARK.

UM, WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE RIVER AUTHORITY YESTERDAY.

UM, THEY, THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH IT.

THAT'S THE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE DOWN TO THE RIVER.

OR YOU CAN TAKE A LEFT AND THERE'S AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE DOWN TO THE RIVER THAT WAY.

I DON'T THINK I CAN ANNOTATE ON THIS.

UH, STAFF, CAN YOU USE YOUR CURSOR TO SHOW US WHERE THAT IS? YES.

SO YES, I, IF YOU'RE COMING OFF THE BRIDGE FROM THAT EAST BANK MM-HMM.

, HOW DO I GET TO THE WEST BANK? RIVER WALK? YEAH.

SO THE EASIEST WAY WITH YOU IS YOU WOULD COME ACROSS, YOU WOULD TAKE A RIGHT AND YOU WOULD FOLLOW KIND OF, DO YOU SEE THE DARK? YEAH.

SO, UH, LET ME SEE.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO ANNOTATE ON THIS? I APOLOGIZE.

UH, THERE'S NOT FROM A, FROM THE WEBINAR, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT.

SO YOU WOULD COME ACROSS TO, SO YOU'D COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE, YOU WOULD TAKE A RIGHT.

YOU WOULD WALK BEHIND THE HOTEL.

THERE'S A PATHWAY RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, RIGHT WHERE THE CURSOR IS, THAT'S WHERE YOU'D GO DOWN AND THAT'S ALL ACCESSIBLE.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE BACKTRACKING A BIT, BUT YOU'RE, HOW MANY FEET WOULD YOU ESTIMATE THAT TO BE? OR HOW MANY YARDS? OH MAN.

UM, HUNDRED FEET MAYBE.

WELL, THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN THAT, THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN, IS HOW ACCESSIBLE THAT IS AND HOW LEGIBLE THAT ACCESSIBILITY WILL BE ONCE SOMEBODY IS, UM, TRAVERSING THE BRIDGE.

AND, UM, YEAH, UH, IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO GET ONTO THAT SIDE OF THE RIVERWALK.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY MOTION, I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE, ACCEPT THE PROJECT OR ACCEPT THE REQUEST WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS.

I'LL SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED.

I PROPERLY SECOND.

ARE THERE ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE, UM, APPLICANT TO, UM, IF POSSIBLE, CONSIDER A, UM, CLOSER LANDING THAT WOULD ALLOW, UM, UM, A MORE, I DON'T KNOW, A CLOSER ACCESS TO THE, TO THE RIVER WALK RATHER THAN GOING AROUND THE BUILDING.

UM, BUT THAT'S A, A VOLUNTARY REQUEST.

ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THAT, SIR? WE WILL LOOK AT IT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WITH WHERE THE BRIDGE LANDS.

UM, THERE, THERE'S A CERTAIN HEAD HEIGHT STIPULATED BY THE RIVER AUTHORITY, UM, ABOVE THE RIVER WALK.

UM, THERE'S TREES THAT ARE OFF OUR PROPERTY LINE THAT WE CAN'T MESS WITH, BUT WE'LL ABSOLUTELY TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY.

UM, WITHOUT, UH, IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, WE WILL LOOK INTO IT.

A MODEL FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? UH, GIBBS.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, CERTAINLY, UH, I PULLED THAT I, ROLAND COMMISSIONER MOOKA.

I WAS ON THE DESIGN REVIEW TEAM AND WE VIEWED THE, UH, THE SITE AND IT WAS, IT STRIKES ME AS JUST A REMARKABLE, UH, LIVING HISTORY EXAMPLE IN SAN ANTONIO'S WEST SIDE.

IT, UH, IT CHAMPIONS THE HISTORY OF A PEOPLE THAT WERE OPPRESSED THAT CAME TO SAN ANTONIO AND LIVED IN RAMSHACKLE HOMES.

AND, UH, IT'S BEING TURNED INTO, THERE'S GOING TO BE A VILLE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS GOING TO DOCUMENT THE HISTORY OF THE WEST SIDE, BUT THIS IS A LIVING EXAMPLE OF THE SPACES, AND IT'S REALLY, IT HAS THE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A, A, UH,

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AND I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THE APPLICANTS.

AND PERHAPS, YES, I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, FOR, FOR DOING THIS WORK.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.

UH, I WILL MOVE FOR, UH, APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

SARAH, SECOND.

WHO'S TERRY RICHARDSON ADDRESS? 6 2 2 SHERMAN.

HAS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA.

UH, FIRST IS ITEM NUMBER 14, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 0 1 2 6 22 SHERMAN.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT AT 6 22 SHERMAN, LOCATED WITHIN THE NUITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT A DETACHED REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO PROVIDE COVERED PARKING FOR TWO AUTOMOBILES.

GENERALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, WHICH SHOULD BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN APPROVAL OF FINAL APPROVAL.

ONE THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMS A SETBACK EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE ADJACENT HISTORIC HOUSES ON THE BLOCK.

STAFF RECOMMENDS A SETBACK THAT IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THIS BLOCK IS NOTED IN FINDING G TWO THAT A FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES BEING STALLED IS NOTED IN FINDING J UH, THREE.

THAT COMPOSITE HORIZONTAL SIDING FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH AND A FOUR INCH EXPOSURE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL COMPOSITE ITEMS BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

COLUMN SHOULD FEATURE A UNIQUE DESIGN BASED ON HISTORIC EXAMPLES OR FEATURE SIX INCHES SQUARE WITH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM.

ADDITIONALLY, DETAILS OF ALL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, INCLUDING COLUMNS AND RAILINGS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED WHEN RETURNING TO THE COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

FOUR.

THAT WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE INSTALLED.

AS NOTED IN FINDING N THESE SPECIFICATIONS ARE NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS, FIVE, THAT THE FRONT WALKWAY WIDTH BE THREE TO FOUR FEET IN WIDTH.

AND, UH, SIX, THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS NOTED IN FINDING YOU THE APPLICANT, MR. TERRY RICHARDSON, IS HERE IN PERSON, UH, AND COMMISSIONERS.

I WILL NOTE, UH, THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT SINCE OUR MOST RECENT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, SUBMITTED UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT ADDRESSED MANY OF THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS AND CONCERNS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, AN UPDATED SITE PLAN.

UM, AND ALSO ON THIS SHEET, A ZERO ARE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR THE COVERED PARKING.

UH, SO THE APPLICANT WILL BE HERE AND CAN ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

I GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT YOU CHANGED.

I DON'T BELIEVE WE ADDRESSED THE SETBACK.

UH, SO SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE, WE, WE GOT RID OF THE TWO SEPARATE DRIVEWAYS.

UH, WE USED ACTUAL SURVEY FOR THE SITE PLAN.

UH, WE WENT TO, UH, ONE DRIVE WITH, UH, TWO, UH, PARKING, COVERED PARKING SPACES IN, IN THE BACK.

UH, WE MOVED THE, THE RIBBON DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

UH, WE ADDED A FOUR INCH, UH, A FOUR FOOT, UH, WALK, UH, TO THE STREET.

UH, WE CHANGED ALL THE WINDOWS TO ONE, UH, ONE OVER ONE, WHICH, UH, I, I THINK I LIKE A A LOT BETTER.

WE DO HAVE THE OPTION FOR THE DIVIDED LIGHT IN THERE, BUT I BELIEVE WE'LL, WE'LL STICK, UH, WITH THE ONE OVER ONE.

UM, WE ADDED WINDOWS, UH, TO THE PRIMARY BEDROOM AND DOWNSTAIRS AND THE SECONDARY BEDROOM UPSTAIRS.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF OUR CHANGES.

THE SIDING REMAINS THE, THE, THE SAME, UH, IT, IT'S SMOOTH ALREADY.

THE, THE, UH, COLUMNS OR, UH, THE HISTORIC NATURE.

UM, IF THEY'RE NOT ACCEPTABLE, WE CAN GO TO THE, THE, THE SIX BY SIX, I BELIEVE WAS, UH, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS.

UM,

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IT WAS ALREADY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SETBACK, UH, FROM, UH, IT WAS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN, UH, THE, THE OTHER HOMES, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING, I BELIEVE.

SO.

UM, BUT SUBJECT TO YOUR QUESTIONS, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, BEFORE WE ASK FOR A MOTION? MR. CHAIR? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO, THE SETBACK IS NOW CONFORMING TO OHP STANDARDS, IS THAT CORRECT, EDWARD? UH, WELL, SO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THE ORIGINAL SETBACK DIAGRAM IS THIS, WHICH IS SUBMITTED HERE.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS CONFIRMING THAT THE SETBACK IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER GENERALLY.

UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN UPDATED SITE PLAN OR SO, THE UPDATED SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE, UH, WITH A MEASUREMENT FROM THE STREET AND THE SIDEWALK.

UH, JUST TO PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT, WE'LL ALSO DO A SETBACK INSPECTION, UH, PRIOR TO THE POURING OF THE, THE FORM WORK.

UM, BUT GENERALLY SOMETHING THAT'S A A HAS A BIT MORE CLARITY TO IT THAN, THAN WHAT'S SUBMITTED HERE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE, A SITE PLAN, A REVISED SITE PLAN.

IT'S, UH, THAT THE SITE PLAN IS, UH, ON SHEET A ZERO, I BELIEVE.

SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN IF CAN WE BLOW IT UP OR CAN, SO WE CAN SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BETTER.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S A SITE PLAN WITH, WITH THE LANDSCAPING.

UH, WE ARE 20 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH PUTS US APPROXIMATELY 22, I BELIEVE, FROM THE, THE PROPERTY LINE.

THE, THE RIBBON DRIVE IS ON THE SIDE.

UH, IT STARTS THREE FEET, UH, FROM THE HOUSE AND, AND THREE FEET FROM THE, UH, EAST PROPERTY LINE.

SO THAT THIS, THAT'S BASICALLY THE, THE SITE PLAN PER THE SURVEY, 48 FEET OF FRONTAGE AND 144 FEET OF DEPTH ON THE, ON THE LOT.

UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE, THE, THE COVERAGES ON HERE AS, AS WELL.

SO THE LOT COVERAGE IS, UH, 46.35, UH, PERCENT AS FAR AS, UH, THE, UH, IMPERVIOUS, UH, COVERINGS ON THERE.

UH, WE TRY TO KEEP THE RIBBON DRIVE AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE SURROUNDINGS.

AND THEN ALSO THE, THE CRUSH GRANITE IN THE BACK IS, IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH, UH, OTHER, UH, DUPLEXES IN THE AREA AND, AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS WELL.

AND IS THERE A ILLUSTRATION OF THE COVERED PARKING? 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S MUTE.

YES, SIR.

THERE, THERE IS, UH, RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.

SO, UH, THE COVERED PARKING ITSELF, UH, WHERE YOU'D PULL THE CARS IN THAT, UH, WE KEPT THAT AS A CRUSH GRANITE TO, UH, KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, INSIDE THE, UH, THE, UH, PERMEABLE, UH, OR IMPERVIOUS, UH, REQUIREMENTS.

IT'S OPEN ON THE SIZE OF THE CARPORT AND IT PROVIDES A, A SMALL STORAGE ON, ON THE BACK FOR, FOR EACH EACH UNIT SO THEY CAN MAINTAIN THEIR YARDS, UH, STAFF.

IS THIS CONSIS? IS THE THE CARPORT CONSISTENT WITH, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES? IT IS.

THIS IS GENERALLY WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND AN APPLICANT.

NOW, THE, UH, FOOTPRINT, UH, MASSING ROOF FORM MATERIALS ARE ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

YES, GO AHEAD.

UM, UH, BEING, BEING THAT THIS, THAT THIS, UM, UM, PROJECT HAS COME BACK TO US, RIGHT? UH, THAT IT'S CONCEPTUAL.

I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS SUBMITTED, UH, OR, OR TO, TO ACCEPT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, AND WE CAN GET INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT FROM THERE.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THOSE IN FAVOR? OH, NO, NO.

WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION COMMENTS, RIGHT? PROMISE? YES.

THEY'RE RELATING THEIR ELEVATION.

AHEAD, SIR.

MR. CHAIR.

I JUST WANT TO PUT, PUT NOTE TO THAT, THIS WAS A CONCEPTUAL, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER SAVINO AND I WERE, HAD, HAD SERIOUS, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT WAS FLOATING.

IT DIDN'T HAVE A SITE PLAN BEFORE.

UH, THIS HAS A SITE PLAN.

IT APPEARS WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, MULTIPLE EXAMPLES.

IT'S A LITTLE SIMPLE.

UM, BUT MOST DEFINITELY FOLLOWS, YOU KNOW, EVEN AT THE SIMPLEST LEVEL, THE, THE, THE RULES OF THUMB AS A CONCEPTUAL, IT'LL HAVE TO COME BACK.

UM, BUT I THINK FOR CONCEPTUAL, I, I REALLY, I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT SO THAT THEY CAN GET TO THE NITTY GRITTY OF WHAT IT IS

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THAT GETS APPROVED OR DOESN'T GET APPROVED.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I HAVE COMMENTS.

UM, I WANT TO, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE AND COMMEND THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

THE SINGLE, UH, DRIVEWAY MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

IT MAKES IT ALL VERY DOABLE.

THE WINDOWS, I DO AGREE, THE, THE ONE OVER ONE MAKES, UM, UH, MAKES MORE SENSE IN THAT SETTING.

UM, YOUR COVERED PARKING WORKS VERY WELL.

THAT'S A COMMON SOLUTION.

UM, THE, THE ONE AREA I AM CONCERNED WITH IS, IS THE FACT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS SO DIFFERENT ON THIS LOT THAN ALL OF THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE STREET.

UM, YOU PROVIDED SOME GOOD EXAMPLES.

OF, UH, FOURSQUARES AND DUPLEXES AND OTHER APARTMENT TYPOLOGIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THOSE TEND TO BE ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.

UM, PINE STREET IS ALWAYS THE STRUTTON STREET.

THAT'S WHERE WE GET A LOT OF, UM, NOTABLE HOUSES AND LARGE HOUSES.

SO THEY FIT IN WITH ALL OF THE OTHER TWO STORY HOUSES.

SO MY ONLY ISSUE IS, AGAIN, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND KNOWING THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER WAYS THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, THAT LARGE MASSING CAN BE AMELIORATED.

UM, AND SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE FOR THE FINAL.

UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND IT IS ON THE EDGE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT IS VERY MUCH IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I THINK ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THE EDGES OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS ONCE YOU ENTER, YOU GO ON THAT STREET, YOU IMMEDIATELY KNOW YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT AND A UNIQUE COMMUNITY.

AND SO IT ALMOST HAS MORE OF A, UM, RESPONSIBILITY TO, UM, BE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO ANYWAY, UM, UM, BUT I APPRECIATE THOSE CHANGES YOU MADE.

AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK THE BEST ONE IS THE, THE SINGLE DRIVE.

I THINK THAT REALLY HELPS TREMENDOUSLY.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, YES, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR, UH, LISTENING TO THE PRIOR COMMENTS AND THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND, AND COMING BACK WITH A, A PLAN THAT I THINK IS, UM, MORE APPROPRIATE SITE PLAN THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I DO WANT TO ECHO ONE CONCERN ABOUT, UH, THE SCALE OF THE TWO STORY PORTION OF THE HOUSE.

UM, WHAT ARE YOUR CEILING HEIGHTS ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR? UH, NINE.

THEY'RE NINE FEET.

BOTH NINE FEET.

THEY'RE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE BOTH NINE FEET.

UM, AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU MIGHT POSSIBLY CONSIDER DROPPING THE, THE SECOND FLOOR TO EIGHT FEET, UM, AS THEY ARE JUST BEDROOMS AND SUPPORT ROOMS, UH, LIVING SPACES.

I CAN UNDERSTAND, UH, THE TALLER CEILINGS, BUT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER, UH, DROPPING THAT SECOND FLOOR BY AT LEAST A FOOT FOR, UM, TO BRING THE SCALE OF THAT MASS DOWN.

UM, AND THEN AS YOU DEVELOP YOUR SITE PLAN, YOU MIGHT, UH, LOOK AT HOW THE, UH, OWNERS GET FROM THE CARPORT TO THEIR SIDE DOORS.

AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO ADD, UH, PATHWAYS OR SOMETHING TO THOSE, TO THOSE REAR DOORS.

BUT, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UH, FURTHER DEVELOPING THIS PROJECT.

AND YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTION HERE? UH, THANK YOU.

UH, IS THIS THE ONLY TWO STORY HOME ON THE BLOCK, OR WILL BE? UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT, MAYBE THIS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT THE, THE HOUSE THAT IS PROBABLY TWO OR THREE DOORS OVER.

IT'S A ONE STORY, BUT IT, THE, THE HEIGHT IS, IS, IS IT'S VERY HIGH.

SO I'M, I'M NOT, UH, IT'S NOT, NOT THAT ONE, BUT THIS ONE, I, I BELIEVE THE, THE FILE SET, IT IS THE ONLY ONE STORY ON THE BLOCK.

AND LIKE MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED, THIS IS THE, THE FIRST STREET OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR THE LAST, WHATEVER YOU CONSIDER IT.

BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO, THIS IS, AGAIN, THE FRONT OF IT, AND YOU HAVE TO DISPLAY THE CONSISTENCY OF WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND IF IT IS THE ONLY TWO STORY I'D, I'D ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER GOING DOWN TO THE ONE OR EVEN SUBMITTING A PLAN, UM, LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER FETZER MENTIONED, DROPPING THE CEILING OF THE SECOND STORY.

UH, YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA SEE VERY MUCH OF THE TWO STORY, THE SECOND FLOOR AT ALL, BECAUSE IT'S THE ENTIRE LIVING ROOM, DINING ROOM, AND THE KITCHEN, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, IT, IT'S, IT'S ONE FLOOR THERE.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE SIDE ELEVATION, THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOME IS ONE STORY.

SO FROM THE STREET IT, AS YOU'RE WALKING,

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SO, SO A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF OF THE STRUCTURE IS ONE, ONE FLOOR.

SO YOU, YOU, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO SEE AS FAR AS, I, I DON'T HAVE THE, IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE, THE CONCEPTUAL OR THE CONTEXTUAL WITH, UH, IF, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH OF IT TO ACTUALLY SEE WHERE THIS HOUSE IS.

UH, YES, IT IS THE FIRST, THE FIRST STREET.

I GOT YOU, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT TO GET TO THIS AREA, YOU HAVE TO COME OFF OF THE NEW BRAUNFELS STREET BRIDGE.

YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT ONTO BURLESON, THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE A ANOTHER RIGHT ON ANY OF THOSE STREETS AND GO THROUGH THE, THE DIGNEY HILL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS NOT HISTORIC.

UH, YOU HAVE TO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOMES ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE TRAILER PARKS, THE MECHANIC SHOPS, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, UH, THE RVS, THE, THE, UM, THE, THE, UH, MECHANIC, UH, THE, THE BACKYARD MECHANIC, UH, FOLKS.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NOT, IF I'M DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HISTORIC PORTION STARTS OR STOPS.

WE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT A AS JUST SOMEONE THAT'S DRIVING THROUGH.

SO YOU'RE PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO DRIVE DOWN THE STREET UNLESS YOU, YOU LIVE ON IT.

SO ANYONE THAT'S, THAT THAT'S COMING THROUGH THE FIRST STREET THAT THEY WOULD COME, IF THEY'RE COMING FROM THE NORTH, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA COME DOWN PINE.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE A LEFT ON SHERMAN UNLESS THEY LIVE THERE.

THEN THEY GO INTO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I WOULD PRESENT THAT, I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS STREET, JUST BY VIRTUE OF ITS LOCATION, IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BECAUSE THE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS ON ONE SIDE, THE NON HISTORIC PORTION, UH, AND NOT JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S A NON HISTORIC PORTION, BUT THE FACT THAT THE, THE UPKEEP, THE COMMERCIAL, UH, THE BUSINESSES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

AND THEN AS YOU GO FURTHER WEST ON SHERMAN, UH, PAST PINE, WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE ARE BARS ON SHERMAN.

AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, UH, THERE ARE WAREHOUSES AND THINGS.

SO, SO THIS, THIS STREET IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF AN INTERIOR, UH, LOT.

IF YOU GO TO THE, THE, THE SOUTH ON BURLESON, THERE ARE, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE TWO STORY DUPLEXES.

NOT LARGE HOMES THAT WERE MADE INTO A DUPLEX, BUT, BUT JUST DUPLEXES, UH, PER SE.

AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF, OF, THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRECEDENCE ALREADY BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE ONE STORY HOMES THERE, MOSTLY ONE STORY.

UH, THEN THERE'S A TWO STORY DUPLEX THAT IS ACTUALLY ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET FROM ONE OF MY LOTS.

AND THEN ALL OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, ALL THE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING BUILT, UH, THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST ONES AND TWOS, UH, THEY'RE ALL TWO STORIES, AND THEY'RE RIGHT BESIDE ONE STORIES.

THERE'S SO, SO IT'S ALREADY, THAT'S, THAT IS THE PRECEDENCE.

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE, PEOPLE SEE.

AND THAT'S INTERIOR, THAT'S NOT ON THE STREET, THAT IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I WOULD ASK FOR THAT CONSIDERATION TO, TO LOOK AT, AT, AT WHERE WE ARE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THE PRECEDENT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAT IN, IN THE INTERIOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STAFF.

IS THIS, THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL, CORRECT? THIS REQUEST IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

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I'D LIKE TO SEE AN ILLUSTRATION THAT HAS THE VIEW FROM THE STREET.

UM, IF YOU SAY THAT, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO, TO TELL THAT IT'S A TWO STORY FROM THE STREET VIEW.

I'D LIKE TO SEE A, A SUBMISSION OF THE PLAN WITH THAT FROM, FROM WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, EXCUSE ME.

OH, SORRY.

FROM, FROM WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK, UH, I SAID, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, THAT IT'S, IT, THAT IT'S REALLY A TWO STORY, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO STOP IN, IN FRONT OF IT.

IN FACT, THE FRONT OF THIS HOUSE IS GONNA BE MUCH LOWER THAN THE, THE NEXT HOUSE THAT IS TO THE WEST.

UH, THE, THE HOUSE THAT'S TO THE WEST IS, UH, 27 FEET, I BELIEVE, UH, TO THE TOP OF IT.

AND IT IS, UH, IT, IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A ONE STORY, AND THAT'S THE ONE I SAID, WELL, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A ONE STORY, A TRUE ONE STORY OR A TWO STORY.

IT'S, UH, IT, IT'S VERY TALL.

IN FACT, WHEN I, WE WERE DOING THE MEASUREMENTS OF IT, I WAS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SURPRISED THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT, THAT GABLE, THAT THAT REAR GABLE IS, IS, IS, IS PRETTY HIGH.

UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO SEE MUCH DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE THIS ONE IS, THIS IS LIKE 28, JUST OVER 28, UH, FEET TALL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ALSO.

UM, SO DID YOU SAY YOU WERE GOING TO INCLUDE FULLY DIMENSION PLANS FOR THE FINAL? UH, YEAH, IT WILL.

THERE'LL BE CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION PLANS, BASICALLY A PROGRESS SET OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

IT'D BE HELPFUL TO SEE HOW WIDE OR HOW DEEP THE PORCH IS, UM, AND SEE SOME DIMENSIONS OF THE, THE WALKWAYS.

ALSO, WHEN YOU COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE SECOND STORY, UM, VOLUME BEING SET SO FAR BACK, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO SEE DURING THE FINAL REVIEW EXACTLY HOW FAR BACK THAT IS.

AND THEN I CAN HAVE, I, I, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE THAT, THEY'RE NOT SUBMITTED, BUT I, I WILL PRESENT THEM THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE COME BACK WITH MORE, WITH, WITH THE PLANS.

AND I HAVE DIMENSION FLOOR PLANS AS, AS WELL.

I JUST, FOR, FOR THE CONCEPTUAL, I JUST DIDN'T YEAH, YEAH.

PRESENT THEM.

SURE, SURE.

BUT MOSTLY FOR VOLUMETRIC REVIEW OR ASSESSMENT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO SEE WHEN THAT SECOND STORY, UM, DOES COME INTO THE PICTURE.

BECAUSE TO THE POINT ABOUT COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHETHER WE SEE THIS OR NOT, MM-HMM.

, I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THIS.

WE'RE GONNA SEE IT NOT BECAUSE WE'RE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

UM, PINE STREET FROM THAT DIRECTION FROM THE NORTH IS A MAJOR ENTRYWAY OFF OF I 35.

AND THAT COMES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO SHERMAN STREET IS YOUR FIRST STREET THAT YOU SEE, AND IF STAFF CAN TAKE A LOOK AT A GOOGLE VIEW, UM, IF YOU ARE UP, UH, WHAT IS THIS, 12, 17 ISH, 1200 BLOCK OF, UM, PINE STREET, AND LOOKING BACK, YOU'RE LOOKING ACROSS THE RAIL YARD AND THAT WHOLE BLOCK, AND EVEN THE SECOND BLOCK OPEN OPENS UP AFTER WILLOW, I GUESS.

UM, AND YOU'RE ON THAT FIRST BLOCK.

SO AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE STREET, THAT WHOLE STREET JUST OPENS UP TO THE VIEW THAT IS YOUR ENTRY INTO THE, INTO THE COMMUNITY.

SO, UM, FOR THAT REASON, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT SECOND STORY VOLUME BEGINS, HOW HIGH IT IS, IF IT CAN BE, UM, ADJUSTED OR MODIFIED WITH A LOWER PLATE HEIGHT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT.

YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I GOT A COUPLE FINAL, FINAL COMMENTS.

I, UH, FIRST IF STAFF COULD GO TO PAGE 35 OF THE PDF, IT'S A HOUSE NEXT, IT'S THE DRAWING NEXT TO, UM, THAT ONE, SIR, IT JUST, JUST ASK YOU TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR, YOUR HOUSE SECOND FLOOR, THE HIP ROOF, UH, IT'S, IT IS A BIT OF A VISUAL STRUGGLE TO FIND A RECOGNIZABLE FRONT RIGHT CHARACTER OF THIS HOUSE.

THE DRAWING, UH, THE PICTURE OF THE, OF THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT SHOWS WHAT I UNDERSTAND AS A DUTCH HIP.

UH, AND JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF BREAKING UP THAT FRONT.

THAT COULD BE A BACK OR IT COULD BE A SIDE.

ONE GOOD WAY TO DO THAT IS THE WAY THAT THEY DID IT IN THAT HOUSE THAT'S, THAT'S SEEN THERE.

AND IT'S REALLY NOT

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ANY MORE COMPLICATED THAN THE ROOF.

JUST A ROOF OFFERS YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE VENTILATION, BUT IT ALSO GIVES YOU A SENSE OF FRONT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

OKAY? YES, SIR.

UM, MR. CHAIR, I JUST, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, THAT IF, IF, UM, IF IT'S ZONED PROPERLY FOR A SECOND LEVEL, THEN A SECOND FLOOR IS DEFINITELY DOABLE.

IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF THE MASSING.

NOW, TWO COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE ROOF HEIGHTS, CEILING HEIGHTS AT NINE FEET.

ONE OF THE CONTRADICTIONS TO THE SCALING, UM, CIRCUMSTANCE, RIGHT, THAT EXISTS IN MANY PROJECTS IS ALSO THAT IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THESE HIGH CEILINGS, WHEN YOU SQUASH A BUILDING DOWN, IT LEAVES THE HISTORIC CHARACTER COMPLETELY, NO MATTER WHAT DETAILING YOU DO, BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES A CONTEMPORARY SUBURBAN HOUSE, RIGHT? SO I THINK WE WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL IN BRINGING THAT, THAT THOSE LEVELS DOWN WHEN, WHEN WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT 12 INCHES, UM, THAT IT'S ALREADY RISKING THAT FIRST FLOOR LOOKING LIKE A SUBURBAN, QUASI HISTORIC HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT HE'S COMPETING WITH, WITH THESE BEAU BEAUTIFUL HIGH, UH, CEILINGS AND THESE REAL NARROW ELEVATIONS.

SO, UH, AS SIMPLE AS THE HOUSE IS, AND THAT HE MOST DEFINITELY CAN DO A SECOND FLOOR, UM, IS JUST A MATTER OF SCALE.

UH, IT PROBABLY DOESN'T GET ANY MORE SIMPLE THAN THIS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND, UM, SIR, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT YOUR HOME AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE HEIGHT AND UM, UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ JUST MENTIONED IT, AND IT ALSO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, COMPARISON TO THE 27 FOOT HOME VERSUS YOURS AT 28 4, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THAT DOWN, AND I, I, I HEAR, UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SQUISHING IT DOWN, BUT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR HOME IS NOW BECOMING THE HIGHEST, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE SQUASH BRINGING THAT DOWN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TACTFULLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.

I AGREE ALSO THAT THE 1 0 0 0 1 WINDOWS, I THINK DEFINITELY LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN THE DIVIDED LIGHTS THERE.

SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT.

SO, AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU THAT THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE HERE, THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, HEED THEM AS MUCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAKE CHANGES AS APPROPRIATE.

SO, UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SORRY, UM, ROLL CALL PLEASE.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15 HDRC CASE 2023 DASH 4 99 5 10 ADAM STREET.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A BROAD IRON FRONT YARD FENCE MEASURING FOUR BEATEN HEIGHT TWO, INSTALL FOUR FEET TALL, WR IRON SWINGING VEHICLE GATE AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY OVER THE DRIVEWAY.

ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING B AND C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED PEDESTRIAN GATE AND FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE HCC AT ANY POINT OF THE FENCE.

ADDITIONALLY, THE PEDESTRIAN GATE AND FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14.

ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE VEHICLE GATE BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE VEHICLE GATE BE RECESSED FROM THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE AND DOES NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE HCRC TO ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE.

ADDITIONALLY, THE VEHICLE GATE AND FENCING MUST BE PERMIT AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS OUTLINED IN SECTION UDC SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14.

AND THE CONTRACTOR, MATTHEW WEATHERSPOON, IS HERE IN PERSON IN THE PROPERTY OWNER PERESH MEDA IS VIRTUAL.

ARE THERE ANY VOICEMAILS? YES, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL.

YES, THERE'S ONE VOICEMAIL.

LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST.

MY NAME IS LISA LIN CALLING ON THE, DO WE HAVE MATTHEW WITHERSPOON HERE? UM, I'M OWNER OF THE HOMES HERE, PERRETA.

AND SUPPORT REALLY MEANS A LOT TO US IN THESE COMMUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO, UH, BE SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY AND, UH, DO APPRECIATE KIND OF THE TIME YOU'RE TAKING AND THE EFFORT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT'S CORRECT AND MAYBE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE.

WE CAN HEAR YOU.

UM, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, SHARE YOUR APPLICATION WITH THE COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK

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UM, I'VE BEEN LIVING AT FIVE 10 ADAMS FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, AND, UM, INITIALLY, UH, REALLY HAD NO INCLINATION TO PUT UP A FENCE, BUT DEFINITELY OVER THE LAST, UM, LET'S SAY SIX TO 12 MONTHS, WE'VE HAD A FEW ISSUES HERE.

UM, JUST LOOKING KIND OF DOWN THE BLOCK, UM, JUST QUICKLY AND TO SUMMARIZE IT, I'VE HAD SOME VEHICLE BREAK-INS, UH, ON DRIVEWAYS, UH, PARKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SAME DISTANCE AS THE HOUSE FACADE, UM, TO THE, TO THE STREET.

WE'VE HAD, UM, MULTIPLE TIMES TRUCKS THAT HAVE BEEN PARKED ON ADAM STREET, BETWEEN BAR BAY, UM, AND EAGLE LAND, WHICH IS THE BLOCK, UM, F1 FIFTIES IN PARTICULAR THAT HAVE HAD THEIR BACK LIGHTS STOLEN MULTIPLE TIMES.

UM, SOME MORE RECENT PORCH PACKAGED THEFTS.

AND, UM, JUST LAST WEEK, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE THERE.

OUR NEIGHBORS AT FIVE 14, UM, HAD A BREAK IN AS THEY'RE DOING SOME CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THE TOOLS WERE STOLEN, UH, THURSDAY NIGHT.

SO JUST SOME OF THESE PETTY CRIMES HAVE, HAVE REALLY SAID, HEY, UH, MIGHT BE TIME TO, TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVACY AND SAFETY HERE.

UM, LOOKING AROUND THE KING WILLIAM AREA, UH, WE HAD NOTICED A FEW OF THE FENCES THAT WERE SORT OF FOREFOOT WROUGHT IRON THAT WERE EXTENDING, UM, UP UNTIL THE SIDEWALK.

UM, I THINK MANY THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, UM, BOTH ON ADAMS AND, AND MISSION.

I SENT A FEW PICTURES IN AND, UH, THE GOAL WOULD BE FOR US TO HOPEFULLY, UH, PROVIDE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS, UM, MAYBE WITH A SWING FENCE, UM, OR WITH ONE THAT MOVES AND, AND ROLLS BACK AND FORTH.

BUT THERE'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE APPLICATION AND THE RATIONALE AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOME FEEDBACK.

AND, AND I THINK WE HAD, UH, SOME SUPPORT FROM THE KING WILLIAMS SOCIETY AND, AND MAYBE A FEW OTHERS.

COMPUTER VOICEMAIL BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING FIVE 10 ADAM STREET, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 4 9.

DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE OHP STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS.

ALL THE EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCES ON ADAM STREET HAVE DRIVEWAY GATES SET ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.

WE RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED WITHOUT STIPULATIONS.

UH, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MR. CHAIR? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

UH, AND THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT OR, UM, EVEN FOR STAFF, IT APPEARS THAT THE DEFENSE REQUESTED A PORTION OF THAT FENCE GOES ACROSS.

LET'S SEE.

CAN WE SEE THE GRID PLAN OR THE, THE PLAN ON THE GRID PAPER? YEAH.

UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE'S A 12 FOOT, IS THAT A GATE, RIGHT? YES.

THAT, WHAT IS THAT? A FENCE OR A GATE? UM, THAT CURRENTLY IS, UM, JUST A DRIVEWAY WITH NO GATE, UM, INITIAL PLANS FROM, UH, METH WITHERSPOON WW CONSTRUCTION WERE TO PUT A GATE THERE.

UM, BUT WE ENDED UP LEAVING THAT OFF FOR NOW AND JUST KEEPING IT OPEN.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING NOW VISUALLY FROM THE SIDEWALK STRAIGHT BACK THAT'S NOT THERE, IT'S JUST LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE, UH, CASITA IN THE BACK.

GOT IT.

MY CONCERN WAS THAT IF THAT WAS A FENCE AS I'M READING IT, THAT IT WOULD CREATE SORT OF FRONT YARD PARKING, WHICH I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT.

THE STREET FROM THAT, UM, THERE'S ALSO A PREVIOUS HOUSE THAT I BELIEVE IS ON SALE, UM, AGAIN, RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF EAGLE LAND AND ADAMS THAT DOES HAVE THAT AS WELL.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

UM, OH, AND ALSO ON THE GOOGLE MAPS THAT WE'RE LOOKING, IT APPEARS THAT OTHER THAN THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, THERE ARE NO OTHER FENCES IN THE FRONT YARD.

HAVE, HAVE THINGS CHANGED OVER THERE? NO.

SO THEN MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS GOING TO YOUR FINDINGS, ITEM NUMBER TWO, WELL, FENCES LOCATION ITEM NUMBER TWO, AVOID INSTALLING A FENCE OR A WALL IN A LOCATION WHERE ONE DID NOT HISTORICALLY EXIST, PARTICULARLY, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE FRONT YARD.

THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE OR WALL IS DEPENDENT UPON THE CONDITIONS WITHIN SPECIFIC HISTORIC DISTRICT.

NEW FRONT YARD FENCES OR WALLS SHOULD NOT BE INTRODUCED WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT HAVE NOT HISTORICALLY HAD THEM.

UM, BUT THE BLOCK DOESN'T HAVE IT.

HOW DO YOU, UH, STAFF, HOW DO YOU, UM, TALK ABOUT THAT? HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT? YEAH, I WOULD JUST JUMP IN.

THERE'S AT LEAST TWO ON THE BLOCK, UM, CLOSER TO EAGLE LAND, UHHUH BETWEEN BARBIE AND, UH, EAGLE LAND ON THE ADAM SIDE.

UHHUH, , UM, A NEW ONE THAT WAS THE RENOVATION, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE EXACT HOUSE NUMBER, BUT THE LAST HOUSE ON THE BLOCK, UM, THAT INSTALLED A FRONT FENCE ALL THE WAY TO THE SIDEWALK.

AND THEN ACROSS

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UM, IF YOU MOVE ONE BLOCK DOWN ADAMS, WHERE THE HOUSES HAVE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER PROPERTY LINES, UM, MANY OF THEM DO HAVE THAT AS WELL.

YES, I SEE THE LARGER ONES.

UM, I CAN ADD ON A LITTLE BIT TO THAT TOO.

THREE 11, UM, EAGLE LINE, I THINK IS THE ADDRESS HE'S REFERRING TO THAT HAS THAT FRONT YARD FENCE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF THE PROPOSED FENCE DOES CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED DOES CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES.

UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SUDDENLY PUTTING IN FENCES WHERE NONE EXISTED BECAUSE THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CORRECT.

REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT.

UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UH, YOU ARE PROPOSING A SWINGING, UH, DRIVEWAY GATE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

UM, WE ARE FLEXIBLE SWINGING OR, UM, SOME OF THE STANDARD ROLLING, WHICHEVER, UH, WORKS.

I THINK IN THE APPLICATION HERE IT SAYS SWINGING.

UH, BUT YES, THAT IS THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.

AND NOW WOULD SWING INTO THE PROPERTY AND NOT ACROSS THE, THE SIDE PUBLIC SIDEWALK? CORRECT.

SWINGING INTO THE PROPERTY.

UH, AS JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF, I KNOW THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM TWO IS A RESET IS FOR THE GATE TO BE RECESSED.

IS THERE A MINIMUM LENGTH OF, UM, GENERALLY WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE, THE FRONT FACADE AND HOWARD LOOKING AT TO BE RECESSED, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT TO BE GENERALLY RECESSED FROM, UM, EITHER THE FRONT WINDOW, THAT FIRST WINDOW, OR IF THE PORCH DOES WRAP AROUND.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS DOES HAVE A PARTIAL SIDE PORCH.

WE'RE LOOKING AT IT TO BE JUST RECESSED FROM THAT AREA SO IT DOESN'T BLOCK ANY CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES.

BUT THERE'S NO MINIMUM LENGTH OF HOW FAR IT NEEDS TO BE RECESSED? NOT NECESSARILY.

AND FOR THE APPLICANT, IS HE OKAY WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION? I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.

'CAUSE HE'S NOT OKAY WITH IT BEING RIGHT.

UH, MAYBE IT WASN'T CLEAR.

THE POINT WOULD BE, UM, FOR US TO MOVE THAT TO, TO THAT SORT OF FACADE AT THE SIDEWALK AND HAVE THE GATES SWING IN.

UM, SO ANY CARS THAT WERE PARKED IN THE DRIVE MYSELF, UH, MY GIRLFRIENDS, UH, WOULDN'T BE AT RISK FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, UM, AT THE SAME DISTANCE IN OTHER PLACES.

BUT THAT IS, THAT IS THE ASK.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? UH, QUESTION ABOUT, SO THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF.

WHAT IS THE EXAMPLE OF THE PROPOSED FENCE? CAN I SEE THAT? AND IS THERE ANY OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT LOOK LIKE THIS? OR IS THERE A BETTER EXAMPLE THAT SHOWS IT AS FOUR FEET? I, I THINK I'D GIVE, UH, I THINK I'D GIVEN A COUPLE THAT I ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BOTH ON MISSION AND ADAMS, THERE'S A MISSION STREET.

THAT'S NOT A GREAT PICTURE, THAT'S A FOUR FOOT FENCE.

THAT'S, UH, ALSO A FENCE THAT'S BEEN PLACED THAT ONE LOOKS LIKE AND MORE APPROPRIATE IN, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WITH THE STYLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT PARTICULAR DESIGN.

NO PROBLEM WITH THE FLORIDA LEE.

YEP.

NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL.

WE, THEY, THEY HAD OFFERED ANY, WE JUST, WE JUST SENT A FEW PICTURES THAT HADN'T BEEN PICKED OUT YET.

SURE.

THE, THE OTHER ONE THAT YOU SHOWED, IT LOOKED A LITTLE, UM, MODERN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, NOT APPROPRIATE, BUT THIS ONE LOOKS, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE.

OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, I HAD A QUESTION.

UM, ACCORDING TO THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT ADDITION TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE.

AND THEN IF I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU, YOU SAID THAT THE ACTUAL AREA OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE ENLARGED WAS SOMETHING LIKE SEVEN SQUARE FEET.

DID I MISUNDERSTAND THAT? UH, NO.

WHAT, WHAT ORIGI WHAT IT IS IS THAT WE'RE TAKING OFF APPROXIMATELY NINE FEET AND FROM THE SECTION WE'RE GONNA START OFF AND WE, AT THOSE NINE FEET, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GONNA GO IN THERE AND WE'RE, IT'S FROM THE AREA WE'RE TEARING DOWN ALTOGETHER, IT'S GONNA BE 24 FEET STARTING FROM THE OLD AREA, BUT IF WE TAKE THAT OFF, WE HA IT'S GOTTA BE DEMOLISHED THE NINE FEET.

SO THAT WOULD GIVE US APPROXIMATELY, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING LIKE WE'RE ADDING LIKE 11 FEET ALTOGETHER ALL ACROSS THE RIGHT,

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OTHER QUESTIONS? THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

I INTEND A MOTION, MR. CHAIR.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION, UM, TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A SITE VISIT.

I'LL SECOND MR. CHAIR.

I WANNA SECOND THAT.

PERFECT.

AND I WANTED TO, UM, INCLUDE THAT, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE HOUSE, UH, APPEARS VERY OLD.

IT'S VERY SMALL, IT'S VERY DELICATE AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO MAKE THE CHANGES YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO, TO MAKE IT HABITABLE.

BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE, WHAT IS ORIGINAL, WHAT HAS BEEN MODIFIED OVER THE YEARS.

AND I THINK A SITE VISIT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US.

SO, MR. CHAIR, I, I WANTED JUST TO, TO ADDRESS THE APPLICANT.

I THINK THAT YOU ARE, UM, LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS VERY DOABLE AND ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAVINA WAS TALKING ABOUT, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, OPPORTUNITIES HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED TO, TO ESTABLISH A MORE, UH, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT'S THERE, RIGHT.

UH, BASED ON, ON WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT.

BUT I, I MEAN, LOOKING AT IMAGES DOWN THE STREET, THE HOUSES ARE LARGE AND THEY'VE GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY OVER TIME.

IT'S JUST THIS HOUSE IS ONE THAT DIDN'T.

THEY STAY TINY, SO, SO, BUT, BUT IT'S A PRETTY PRETTY HOUSE.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A PART OF YOUR, YOUR PROCESS.

APPRECIATE IT.

ONE MORE ASK, UM, FOR THE SITE VISIT, I'D LIKE TO SEE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT ORIGINAL, UH, SIGHTING THAT'S UNDERNEATH OR THE, THE BOARD THAT'S OH, YEAH.

UH, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

IF YOU SHOW THAT THAT, UH, THAT IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A SIGHTING THAT'S ALREADY MISSING.

AND, UM, WHEN WE WERE THERE, IT WAS ACTUALLY RAINING, IF YOU REMEMBER.

BUT, UH, WE STILL, UH, WERE ABLE, WE STILL HAVE A VERY LIMITED SIGHTING THAT WE STILL HAVE.

BUT, UM, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THANKS SO MUCH.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

MAY YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, FLORES? AYE.

ITEM 17 ON THE HDRC AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH OH 2 6 7 22 LAMAR STREET.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, MODIFY THE CROSS GABLE PRIMARY ROOF FORM INTO A FRONT FACING GABLE ROOF FORM, AND TWO, MODIFY THE FRONT PORCH ROOF BY RAISING IT IN, ENLARGING THE FRONT FACING FAC OR FRONT FACING GABLE.

EXCUSE ME.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO, BASED ON FINDING C AND D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE EXISTING ROOF FORMS AND MODIFY ONLY THE REAR ADDITION ROOF FORM PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY HDRC.

UM, AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT NATASHA NDA HERE IN PERSON.

UM, THERE'S ONE LETTER ON FILE AND ONE VOICEMAIL.

PLEASE STEP UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

HELLO, MY NAME IS NATASHA NDA AND UM, I HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AS WELL.

GO AHEAD.

UM, IF POSSIBLE BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO JUST START WITH A PRAYER FOR MYSELF SO THAT I MAY, I PRAY.

I PRAY THAT, UM, THAT I CAN ACCEPT WHATEVER YOUR JUDGMENT IS, WHATEVER YOUR RULING IS, AND I CAN BE OKAY WITH IT.

AND I HOPE THAT, UM, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE IS GOOD FOR ME AND GOOD FOR MY FUTURE.

SO, UM, IF YOU WOULD JUST GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, THAT'S A PICTURE OF ME OUTSIDE MY HOUSE IN, UH, 2021 WHEN I BOUGHT IT.

UM, I WAS A NURSE AT THAT TIME MAKING ABOUT 21,000.

I PAID 60,000 FOR THIS HOUSE.

UM, I'VE HAD A TRAGEDY LAST YEAR, UM, WHICH IS WHAT BRINGS ME HERE.

UM, WE DID HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO MAINTAIN THE ROOF FORM AS IT WAS.

UM, OF COURSE LIKE, UM, IF YOU CAN GO MAYBE TO THE NEXT PICTURE AND AFTER THAT, THE NEXT ONE.

AND THE WAY IT WAS ADDED WAS LIKE, THERE WAS A GAP IN BETWEEN THERE.

UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACK, THE NEIGHBORS TOLD US THAT THAT BACK PART OF THE HOUSE HAD BEEN ADDED IN THE SEVENTIES.

YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS, UM, IT'S LIKE VINYL THAT GOES ALL THROUGH THE BACK AND THAT BACK ROOF WAS VERY FLAT

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AND, UH, I'M AN AFRICAN AND I WAS LIVING IN A ZOO.

THERE WAS A BUNCH OF RACCOONS THERE, POSSUMS, I THINK IT WAS, UM, RAT RATS.

UM, IT WAS QUITE, QUITE SCARY.

BUT, UM, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ROOF.

MY, MY EX-HUSBAND WAS MY GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND HE GOT A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MAINTAIN THE ROOF.

UM, BUT THEN AFTER HE TALKED TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND SOME ENGINEERS, IT WAS REALLY AN UNTENABLE SITUATION.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU ALONG THE WAY.

I'M KIND OF GETTING AHEAD.

I'M VERY NERVOUS, PLEASE, EXCUSE ME.

UM, BUT, UM, HE TALKED TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND THE BEST THING TO DO WAS TO HAVE CREATED THIS, UM, GABLE ROOF.

A STRAIGHT GABLE, I THINK IT'S CALLED.

I'M SORRY, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, I'M A NURSE PRACTITIONER.

I'M, I'M DOING MY BEST.

SO I WANTED TO CREATE A STRAIGHT GABLE ROOF AND I THOUGHT HE HAD A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL FOR THAT.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY TURNS OUT I JUST FOUND OUT THAT HE DIDN'T, UM, LAST YEAR HE FELL INTO LIKE SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS AND ADDICTION AND HE IS NOW, I THINK IN THE CUSTODY OF CONNECTICUT PD OR SOMETHING.

I DUNNO WHERE HE IS, BUT WE'RE DIVORCED ANYWAY, THIS IS WHERE I FIND MYSELF.

SO IF YOU JUST GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE, PLEASE.

SO WE TORE DOWN THE HOUSE AND WE HAD TO LIKE, WELL WE DIDN'T TEAR IT DOWN, WE JUST HAD TO SORT OF MAKE IT NAKED, IF YOU WILL.

LIKE, I DUNNO WHAT THE TERM FOR THAT IS.

AND WE TOOK IT DOWN TO THE STUDS AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAD.

THAT'S WHAT WAS REVEALED.

THE BACK FELL OFF 'CAUSE THE ROOF IN THE BACK WAS FLAT AND WAS NOT PROVIDING ANY STRUCTURAL, UM, WHAT STRUCTURAL BRACING, I SUPPOSE, TO THE WALLS.

SO WHEN THE ROOF CAME OFF, THE BACK WALLS SORT OF FELL LIKE THAT.

AND BED FOUNDATION HAD, 'CAUSE IT'S A P AND BEAM HOUSE, BARE FOUNDATION HAD WORKED ON THE BEAMS AND LIKE THEY SHIFTED THE HOUSE SO MUCH THAT THE BACKS FELL OFF.

AND SO THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS LIKE THAT.

BUT THE FRONT STAYED THERE.

UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE, PLEASE.

SO EVERY TIME WE OPENED UP SOMETHING, THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE THE WINDOWS WERE METAL, THE, THE PIER AND BEAMS WERE LIKE FALLING OVER THE BACK FELL OFF.

SO IT WAS REALLY A VERY TRYING TIME.

CAN YOU CARRY ON? OKAY.

SO WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST PRESERVE THE ROOF, PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AS WELL AS THE ROOF WITHOUT IT FALLING DOWN.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE NOT CREATE LIKE A HAZARDOUS BUILDING.

SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS WE TALKED ABOUT.

THIS FIRST ONE IS A, A DOUBLE CROSSED GABLE, UM, OPEN IN THE BACK.

AND THAT SEAT PRESERVES THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITH THE, UM, THE CROSS GABLE.

AND THIS IS A, A STRAIGHT GABLE IN THE BACK.

AND IT'S, UM, THE ENGINEER THAT WE'RE TALKING TO TOLD US THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING FOR A PIECE OF PROPER A, A BUILDING THAT'S LIKE SAME, THAT MAINTAINS THE SAME WIDTH.

IT'S TYPICALLY USED FOR AN ADDITION IN THE BACK OR SOMETHING.

GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

UH, THIS IS THE NEXT ONE WITH THE, WITH THE HIP IN THE BACK.

ALSO USED FOR A SMALLER ADDITION IN THE BACK, NOT AN ENTIRE HOUSE, PLEASE CARRY ON.

OH, THIS ONE WAS THE MHA ROOF.

SO MAINTAIN THE FRONT M SHAPE 'CAUSE WE HAD TO COVER THE BACK AS WELL WITHOUT CHANGING THE, THE, THE WIDTH.

AND HE TOLD ME, HE SAID, THINK LIKE A RAINDROP.

IF YOU ARE A RAINDROP, WHERE WOULD YOU GO? YOU WOULD BECOME A LEAK.

SHALL WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE? UM, THIS IS ANOTHER OPTION WHICH IS LIKE A SALT BOX.

IT MAINTAINED THE SAME SORT OF HEIGHT IN THE FRONT, BUT THEN IN THE BACK IT WOULD CARRY ON AND TO MAINTAIN LIKE THE FLOW OF WATER INTO THE BACK.

LIKE ONLY I COULD FIT IN THE BACK.

LIKE MOST OF THE GENTLEMEN WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIT IN THE BACK 'CAUSE THE ROOF WOULD BE SUPER LOW IN THE BACK, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE? AND THIS ONE WAS IF WE JUST SORT OF MADE IT ACROSS, UH, GABLE, BUT TO MAINTAIN THE HIGH, THE, UM, GRADIENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, IT WOULD BE A SUPER HIGH ROOF TO SPAN ALL THE WAY FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK.

AND THEN IT WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

IT WOULD BE LIKE SUPER HIGH.

KEEP GOING.

SO ANYWAY, MARK MADE THE DECISION.

THAT'S MY EX-HUSBAND.

HE MADE THE DECISION TO DO A FRONT GABLE.

SO HE JUST WENT STRAIGHT DOWN ON THE SIDES IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

UM, SO THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION I HAD AND I THOUGHT HE HAD A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL FOR THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.

UM, HE DID NOT.

SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THE NE UM, PREVIOUS OR LITTLE BACK.

OKAY, NEXT.

SORRY.

YOU'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB.

CAN'T SEE UP THERE TOO.

ALRIGHT THOUGH.

SORRY, .

I FORGOT.

I, I WASN'T LOOKING THERE.

UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE

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ARE THE OTHER HOUSES.

THESE ARE THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK.

THAT'S 7 27 20.

LAMAR IS MR. BARBARA'S HOUSE.

IT'S A STRAIGHT GABLE.

THE NEXT ONE IS 7 24.

THAT'S ALSO STRAIGHT GABLE.

THE NEXT ONE IS 7 26.

IT ALSO A STATE STRAIGHT GABLE.

AND THAT ONE IN THE MIDDLE IS 7 22, WHICH IS THE OLD PICTURE.

UHHUH .

SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE, YES.

SO THIS IS SORT OF WHERE WE ARE NOW.

UM, THE ROOF IS ALREADY THERE AND UNFORTUNATELY I WISH I'D ASKED.

UM, YOU CAN SEE, WELL I'M, I'M WORKING WITH JESSICA NOW AND I ASK ABOUT EVERYTHING.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS ASKED, BUT THIS IS WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW.

UM, I DO WANT TO SAY I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BIG ASK.

I REALLY DO.

UM, BUT I'M, RIGHT NOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'M HOMELESS.

I HAVE NOWHERE TO LIVE.

I'M LIVING LIKE IN A SHED AND OUT OF MY CAR.

THESE ARE THE ONLY CLOTHES I HAD BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONLY CLEAN ONES.

AND I THINK THAT, UM, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, THE SITUATION THAT I'M IN AS WELL AS THE CURRENT ROOF THAT'S THERE, THERE, I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TREATMENT FOR THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE.

AND, UM, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, UM, IT'S DONE WITH ZIP, UM, ZIP SYSTEM.

UM, IT'S THE, IT'S THE DECKING IS THERE, IT'S A FULL FRONT GABLE ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK.

AND WE MAINTAIN THE HEIGHT ON THE ROOF SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S A CRAZY ROOF OR IT'S NOT BIZARRE IN ANY WAY.

AND IT MAINTAINS THE ORIGINAL 12, UM, 12 FOOT CEILINGS INSIDE THAT WERE ORIGINALLY THERE THAT HAD ACTUALLY BEEN LOWERED AT SOME POINT, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE.

'CAUSE IN THE OLDEN DAYS THEY DIDN'T HAVE AC SO TO ACCOMMODATE AC IN THE HOUSE.

UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S THAT.

AND THEN IF WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UM, THIS WAS JUST A, THE, THE SITUATION THAT I WAS IN, UM, I USED TO HAVE PICS, PICTURES, LOTS OF PICTURES THAT I HAD TAKEN STEP BY STEP OF EVERYTHING.

I NO LONGER HAVE THOSE PICTURES ANYMORE 'CAUSE HE TOOK EVERYTHING.

UM, CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? NOW I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I, I REALLY DO UNDERSTAND MY DUTY.

I TOO LOVE OLD THINGS.

UM, I REALLY LOVE OLD THINGS.

LIKE IF HE CAME TO MY HOUSE, EVERYTHING IS RESCUED FROM A SKIP OR, UH, AN ANTIQUE SHOP.

AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE A DUTY BY BUYING THIS HOUSE.

I HAVE A DUTY TO PRESERVE THIS.

AND I'VE, I'VE DONE LITERALLY EVERYTHING.

I MEAN, YOU CAN ASK JESSICA, I'VE, I'VE GOT ONE.

THE FULL WINDOWS FROM PELLA IS COSTING ME THE PRICE OF A CAR, WHICH LIKE, HOW I'M GOING TO PAY IS JUST GOD KNOWS.

UM, SAME THING WITH DOORS.

EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE CONTROL OVER, UM, NOW I HAVE DONE ACCORDING TO THE HDRC IS WOOD SIDING, EVERYTHING.

THE ONLY THING IS THIS ROOF.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN AFFORD TO RIP EVERYTHING OFF AND DO SOMETHING NEW AND GET A DIS AND JUST LIKE DO WHATEVER IT TAKES THE PROCESS.

IT IS FOR THAT ROOF TO, TO BE, I GUESS I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TYPE OF ROOF I WOULD PUT THERE FOR IT TO WORK.

UM, I SUPPOSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THIS, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DO AND I RESPECT IT VERY MUCH.

THE CITY IS MY, ONE OF MY FAVORITE CITIES AND I THINK IT'S ENTIRELY BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS SITTING HERE AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE DO THE RIGHT THING AND MAINTAIN THE HISTORY WE HAVE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M ALSO A HUMAN BEING AND I'M SURE THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT THIS HOUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE BUILT IT TO BE A HOME FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME.

UM, I'M JUST NOW IN THE SUFFERING PART OF LIFE, BUT IT'LL BE OVER.

I KNOW IT'LL BE OVER, BUT THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I COME BEFORE YOU HERE TO JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT, THAT YOU UNDERSTAND MY PLIGHT AND YOU CAN HELP ME TO MAKE THIS A HOME FOR MYSELF AGAIN.

UM, IF WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT, UH, IF WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

I FEEL LIKE THE BEST TREATMENT IS TO JUST LEAVE THE ROOF AS IS.

AND I, I WANT TO PUT, UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AS WELL, THIS IS SORT OF HOW THE DIFFERENCE IS.

UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THIS IS THE SHINGLES.

I'M GONNA PUT THE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES THAT I KNOW THAT HDRC RECOMMENDS.

AND, UM, NEXT SLIDE.

AND I, I I JUST WANT TO HOPE THAT YOU HEAR MY PLEA AND THAT YOU HELP ME DO MY DUTY TO THIS HOME AND MAKE IT A SHELTER FOR ME.

UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, PLEASE, UM, I'M ALL EARS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PHYLLIS MCNAIR AND I'M CALLING EXTREMELY PATIENT HAS BEEN ALSO SOME OF THE FENESTRATION HAS BEEN MADE LARGER AS CAN BE SEEN ON PAGES NINE THROUGH AND ADDED TO THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST SIDES OF THE HOUSE.

ANY VOICEMAILS MR. CHAIR, I GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

HOLD UP FOR A MOMENT, PLEASE.

GIMME ONE SECOND.

I THINK I HAVE TO QUEUE THIS ONE UP.

SORRY.

1 44.

HEY, MS.

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ALSO, SOME OF THE FENESTRATION HAS BEEN MADE LARGER AS CAN BE SEEN ON PAGES NINE, THREE WOULD ALWAYS PICK SOME ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.

REVIEW.

I MISUNDERSTOOD THE INSTRUCTIONS HERE.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

THE ADDITIONAL DOORS AND WINDOWS, WE LET IT BE RETURNED TO THE AND STRONGLY MEAN THAT IT BE RETURNED TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

WE ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS AS TO THE ORIGINAL RESIDENT.

MY NAME IS PHYLLIS MCNA.

I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNITY WHI HILL ARCHITECTS REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR HDRC CASE 2 0 2 4 0 2 6 7 2 2.

LAMAR, WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY APPROVAL OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO THE FRONT PORCH AND ROOF, AND STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT IT BE RETURNED TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

WE ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS AS TO THE ORIGINAL, TO THE ADDITIONAL DOORS AND WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO ALL SIDES OF THE HOUSE THAT ARE NOT ADDRESSED IN THIS APPLICATION.

CAN OHP STAFF CONFIRM THAT THERE WERE ORIGINALLY TWO FRONT DOORS IN THE FRONT AND BACK OF THIS HOUSE? BECAUSE BASED ON THE PREVIOUSLY DESIGN, THERE WAS ONLY ONE DOOR.

WE ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED WITH THE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION THAT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST SIDES OF THE HOUSE.

ALSO, SOME OF THE FENESTRATION HAS BEEN MADE LARGER AS CAN BE SEEN ON PAGES NINE THROUGH 11.

ALL AND DOOR OPENINGS SHOULD BE TAKEN BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

THAT WAS THE ONLY VOICEMAIL.

SO CAN I PLEASE ADDRESS THAT? SURE.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT EXISTED.

SO, UM, IF I HAD AN ANOTHER, SO I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE OHP ABOUT ALL THE ISSUES THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND I HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL FOR THAT.

I HAD NO INTEREST IN BUYING TWO DOORS, EXTRA DOORS AND EXTRA SIZE WINDOWS THAT FROM PELLA THAT ARE ALL WOOD DOUBLE HUNG.

THESE WINDOWS ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATIONS.

THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATIONS WERE PUT ON WHEN WE TOOK OFF THE, ALL THE SIDING.

THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE SO BIG THAT PELLA IS HAVING TO MAKE LIKE, SPECIAL SIZED WINDOWS FOR THOSE ORIGINAL SIZES.

I MEAN, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BY STANDARD CUSTOM SIZED WINDOWS, BUT WHEN WE TALK TO A-O-H-P-O-H-P SAID THE ORIGINAL, SO THAT'S WHAT, SO WHEN WE PULL, WHEN WE LIKE REMOVED EVERYTHING FROM THE HOUSE, TWO DOORS IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK HAD BEEN BOARDED OFF AND THE WINDOWS HAD BEEN BRICKED IN AND RE BOXED.

AND I HAVE, I HAD AN, I ALREADY TALKED TO OHP ABOUT THAT AND SHOWED THEM ALL OF THAT.

AND SO THEY GAVE ME A CERTIFICATE OF PREPARATION AS WELL TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

LIKE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKED LIKE, UM, BACK WHEN BEFORE THE SEVENTIES ROLLED AROUND.

AND THEY COVERED IT IN VINYL AND SHUT OFF THE DOORS AND BOXED THE WINDOWS.

SO THEY'VE ALREADY DEALT, WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT.

THERE'S A RE I MEAN, I HAVE NO, I'M, I, THERE'S NO REASON THAT I WANT TO BUY SUCH BIG WINDOWS LIKE IN SAN ANTONIO, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE HOUSE.

MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ.

WELL, UM, MR. CHAIR, LEMME JUST SAY THAT, THAT, THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I WAS, UM, GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION AND IT WAS CLARIFIED IN BY STAFF AND I LOVE STAFF AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO, BUT THAT SHOULD BE IN THE FINDINGS THAT SHOULD BE SOMEHOW COMMUNICATED BECAUSE THEN IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER STORY GOING ON.

AND WE, AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT, AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THIS SUBTLE SENSE OF DISHONESTY, THE REALITIES IS JUST MISSING INFORMATION.

UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS, BUT IF THEY DON'T, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MR. CHAIR? YEAH, GO AHEAD.

JESSICA.

IS THERE A, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY LOOKED LIKE? WHAT THE ROOF LINES WERE LIKE? IT, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT LAYOUTS.

IT'S A BIT, UH, MESSY.

LEMME PULL UP THE SANDBORN MAPS REAL QUICK.

HOLD ON.

AND SORRY, THE MESSY WASN'T FOR YOU, .

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SO THIS IS THE 1912 SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAP.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE PROPERTY APPEARS ON MAPS AND IT APPEARS WITH A FO WITH FRONT PORCH.

THE WHICH, WHICH WAY WAS THE GLING? OH W WE HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE CROSS GABLE AS IT EXISTED IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORIC PHOTOS OR ANYTHING, BUT PERFECT.

JESSICA, IF YOU COULD PUT UP, UH, IMAGE 32 FROM THE POWERPOINT.

I THINK IT SHOWS PRETTY WELL WHAT WAS, UM, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE FORM AND THEN WHAT'S THE ROOF FORM LOOKS LIKE NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ALSO ALONG THE SAME LINES.

HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SECOND DOOR? IT WAS FRAMING FOUND WHEN THEY WERE MOVED TO THE ROCK ON THE FRONT OF THE DOOR.

ON THE FRONT OF THE ELEVATION.

I'M SORRY.

DO YOU HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THE FRAMING OF THE WINDOWS PREVIOUS TO THIS NEW FRAMING? UM, ACTUALLY, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE LIKE FROM THIS PICTURE.

SO THE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE WINDOWS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF.

SO THE ONLY ITEM THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY IS THE ROOF.

UH, THEN LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE APPROVAL FOR THE WINDOWS.

SO THE DOUBLE WINDOWS WILL BE INSTALLED WITH A MULIAN, A STUD POCKET MULIAN SEPARATING THE TWO ONE OVER ONE DOUBLE H HOLLYWOOD WINDOWS.

BUT WHERE THERE ARE TWO TOGETHER, THERE WILL BE A, THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE THE GANG WINDOWS WILL HAVE THE APPROPRIATE TREND BETWEEN.

MAY I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU SPEAKING TO THE MICRO, YOU HAVE TO STAY WITH THE MICROPHONE, BUT I CAN HELP RIGHT.

SEE, UM, RIGHT HERE, JUST TO START TO CLARIFY THE WINDOWS, UM, DO YOU SEE RIGHT THERE THAT THE WHITE SORT OF PIECE ABOVE THE WINDOW, SO THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE LIKE METAL WINDOWS AND THEN THAT WHITE PIECE WAS A PLYWOOD WINDOW, LIKE A PLYWOOD BOX JUST PUT THERE SO THAT THEY COULD INSERT LIKE COMMON SIZE WINDOWS IN THERE.

SO WHEN WE TOOK OUT THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS JUST BLEW UP.

SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION.

IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THERE WERE THE LARGER ONES.

IT WAS JUST THE, THE DOUBLE ONES.

I WAS, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE THE DOUBLE HARM ONES.

SORRY.

NATASHA HAS AGREED TO ESSENTIALLY RETURN, UM, THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS AS WE SEE THEM ON THESE ELEVATIONS JUST WITH A CONFORMING WINDOW.

SO THAT MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

UH, SIR, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, WHICH, WHICH WOULD GRANT HER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE ROOF TO TAKE THIS SHAPE.

THAT, THAT IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN FRAMED BY AND I CAN GIVE EX UH, EXCUSES FOR IT WHEN WE'RE IN DISCUSSION.

WELL, MR. CHAIR, THAT THAT ONE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, THAT, THAT SHE DOVE INTO ABOUT WHAT SHE DISCOVERED IN THE HOUSE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT VISUALS THAT SAY THAT THERE WERE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE.

AND I KNOW THAT THE, THE, UM, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE WINDOWS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED, THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT DETAIL BECAUSE IT, IT MEANS THAT THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, HER HAVE TO, TO, UM, RESPOND TO IS NOT THE PICTURE WITH THE PICTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW WITH THE, THE GREEN LINES ON IT OR, OR THE ONE THAT RAY'S LOOKING AT.

UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY SHE'S RESPONDING TO, UH, THE DISCOVERY OF THE HISTORIC ARTIFACT INSIDE IN THE FRAMING.

SO WHERE SHE WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, ABLE TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS IN THE DIMENSION THAT IS IN THAT, THAT THAT HOUSE THAT WE SEE, SHE'S ACTUALLY HAVING TO REPLACE THE DIMENSION OF AN ORIGINAL WINDOW, WHICH SHE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OBLIGATED TO REPLACE, MATCH THAT WITH HER HARDSHIP, MATCH THAT WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCE.

THAT BIG PIECE OF THIS WAS OUT OF HER HANDS.

I THINK IT'S JUST THAT IN THE BALANCE OF WHAT SHE'S HAVING TO DO AND THE ADDITIONS THAT'S BEYOND WHAT, WHAT THE COMMON EYE WOULD SEE DRIVING BY.

BUT ACTUALLY THE SHADOW OF WHAT EXISTED IN ITS HISTORIC, UH, CONTEXT, THAT'S GOOD.

MEETING IN THE MIDDLE.

UH, I HATE FOR AN APPLICANT TO, TO LEAVE HER FEELING, YOU KNOW, CHASTISED, UH, PARTICULARLY WHEN SHE'S TAKING ON AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF EXPENSE THAT PROBABLY WAS NOT, UM, SOMETHING THAT SHE WOULD'VE HAD TO DO WITH RESPECT TO WINDOWS AND DOORS.

AND SHE'S USING PELLA.

UM, THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S JUST THAT, THAT SHE'S ABLE TO, TO LEAVE HERE AND FOLLOW ALL THE OTHER RULES THAT THEY'VE GIVEN AND THAT THE ROOF IS, UH, IS LOST IN THE BALANCE.

UH, THANK YOU SIR FOR THE DISCUSSION.

BUT WE'RE HERE TO TALK

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ABOUT THE ROOF LINE ONLY, RIGHT? OR THE ROOF.

THAT WAS THE ROOF ONLY.

I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.

I HEARD WINDOWS, BUT UM, I SAID A LOT OF WORDS.

I DIDN'T JUST SAY WINDOWS.

I SAID A LOT OF WORDS, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROOF AND THE BALANCE OF WHY THE ROOF IS REASONABLE.

SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, MAYBE THIS IS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT.

LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE ON SLIDE 32.

THE ONE YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

RIGHT THERE.

WHEN YOU TOOK THAT SIDING OFF AND REVEALED THE BRICK TO THE WINDOWS, WAS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT THAT ROOF LINE IS, IS ORIGINAL? I KNOW STAFF BELIEVES IT TO BE ORIGINAL.

UM, BUT WAS THERE ANY EVIDENCE UNDERNEATH THAT SIDING? LIKE YOU FOUND EVIDENCE THAT THE WINDOWS WERE BIGGER, THAT, WAS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE ROOF LINE WAS NOT WHAT WE SEE ON THE LEFT THERE? OH, YES.

UM, SO, SO, SO I HAD THE PICTURES, BUT LIKE I SAID, HE TOOK THE HOUSE SPEAKING TO THE MIC, PLEASE.

OH, SORRY.

I'M SORRY I HAD THE PICTURES, BUT LIKE I SAID, HE TOOK THE HARD DRIVE.

MY HUSBAND TOOK THE HARD DRIVE AND SO, UM, THERE WAS SIDING.

SO YOU SEE THAT BACK PART OF THE, THE HOUSE.

SEE THAT PART? YEAH, THAT PART OF THE HOUSE.

THERE WAS OUTSIDE SIDING THAT HAD BEEN COVERED IN SHEET ROCK IN THE INSIDE WALL.

SO THERE WAS A WALL AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ROOM THERE.

AND WHEN WE REMOVED THE SHEET ROCK OF THIS WALL, WHEN WE MOVED THE SHEET ROCK OF THIS WALL, THE INNER WALL, THERE WAS SIDING ON IT AND THERE WAS TWO DOORS OVER THERE, AND THEN THERE WAS TWO MORE DOORS ON THE OTHER ONE.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THAT ENTIRE BACK WAS AN ADDITION.

SO THE ORIGINAL CROSS GABLE WAS JUST FOR THE FIRST PART OF THE HOUSE.

AND THEN AFTER THAT COST FOR THAT ENTIRE EXTRA PART, THAT WAS ALL LIKE A, JUST A FLAT ROOF.

AND IN BETWEEN THERE, THERE WAS NO MEETING OF THE MINES.

UM, THERE WAS LIKE A PLACE WHERE LIKE EVEN A, LIKE A BIG ANIMAL COULD ENTER LIKE, I DUNNO, THE EQUIVALENT OF AN AMERICAN ANIMAL, BUT I WOULD SAY LIKE, LIKE A MONGOOSE MONGOOSE, NO, LIKE A NO SQUIRREL IS LIKE THIS MUCH LIKE A MONGOOSE IS LIKE THIS MUCH, LIKE THIS MUCH A RACCOON OR SOMETHING A BIT BIGGER THAN A RACCOON, LIKE A FAT RACCOON POSSUM MAYBE.

COULD ENTER INSIDE THERE AND LIKE LIVE WITH HIS WHOLE FAMILY.

AND I KNOW THIS TOO BECAUSE LIKE IT FELL, IT FELL INTO THE HOUSE LIKE THE FIRST WEEK I WAS THERE, THE ROOF WAS SO FULL OF, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, UH, RACCOON FAT RACCOON FECES.

AND IT FELL DOWN LIKE IT, IT COLLAPSED INTO THE HOUSE AND I HAD TO GO TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND THEN HE HELPED ME TO LIKE CLEAN IT UP AND TO PUT DRYWALL AND I HAD PICTURES, NOT DRYWALL, THE STUFF THAT YOU PUT ON THE ROOF.

SHEETROCK.

AND I HAD PICTURES OF THAT TOO, BUT I DON'T HAVE THEM ANYMORE .

SO, SO YES, THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE FIRST PART OF THE HOUSE AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THE HOUSE.

LIKE YOU CAN EVEN SEE IT IF YOU, IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN SOMEHOW, YOU COULD SEE LIKE YOU SEE HERE, THIS, THIS GAP RIGHT THERE.

DO YOU HAVE A ZOOMING ABILITY? I'M TRYING, THIS IS NOT A VERY FRIENDLY SYSTEM TO, RIGHT.

I THINK JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK, DO YOU SEE THAT GAP THERE? LIKE THIS, THE BLACK, THE, THAT DARK SHADOW THERE, SEE THAT RIGHT THERE AND SEE HOW THAT ONE SORT OF CLIMBS ON TOP OF THE OTHER ONE.

AND THEN THEY JUST PUT DECKING AND, AND UM, SHINGLES AND DECKING AND SHINGLES AND DECKING AND SHINGLES.

LIKE NEVER EVER LIKE REALLY SORT OF TEASING IT APART AND THE WHOLE THING JUST LIKE WHEN WE TOOK IT OFF THE WHOLE WALLS JUST SORT LIKE BOOM.

LIKE THAT THE, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS, IS I WONDER WHERE YOU HAD THAT, THAT SQUARE HIGHLIGHTED.

UM, JUST YOU SEE WHERE YOU JUST HAD THAT, THAT WINDOW BACK YOU HAD IT YEAH.

THAT PORTION, THAT PORTION OF THE ROOF SEEMS A LOT LOWER THAN THE FRONT PORTION ON THAT.

UH, CORRECT.

YEAH, ON, ON THAT.

AND I WONDER IF THAT WINDOW, THAT LAST WINDOW IS, IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.

'CAUSE IT WAS, I THINK BASED ON EVIDENCE HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S LIKE A CROOK IN THE ROOF FORM HERE.

SO EVERYTHING PAST THIS SORT OF LINE RIGHT HERE, IT'S, IT'S AN ADDITION ON AN ADDITION IN THE BACK.

AND THIS IS WHAT THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT IN 2021, THEY WERE APPROVED TO REPLACE THIS PART, EXCUSE ME, THIS PART OF THE ROOF WITH A FOUR OVER 12 GABLE ROOF FORM.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE FRONT PORTION OF THE ROOF.

OKAY, GOT IT.

BUT SO BACK WHEN THAT ADDITION WAS DONE, WHENEVER IT WAS DONE, I WOULD SAY THEN THAT THE CONTINUATION OF THAT ROOF LINE WAS PROBABLY NOT STRUCTURALLY SOUND OR NOT A GOOD IDEA TO DO IT THAT WAY.

CORRECT? WE WEREN'T ASKING HER

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TO RETAIN THAT.

SHE HAD APPROVAL TO PUT A GABLE, A HIP FOUR OVER 12 ROOF THERE GOT NO, OKAY.

NO, NOT HER.

I MEAN, WHEN THAT ADDITION WAS DONE, WHENEVER, CAN'T SPECULATE THAT.

YEAH, YOU CAN'T.

THERE YOU GO.

YEAH, BECAUSE I, WELL I WAS BORN IN 1980 AND I THINK THEY DID THAT ROOF IN 1970 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBORS SAW BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR LIKE EVER.

AND THEIR HOUSE IS SHORTER THAN MINE.

LIKE THEIR HOUSE REACHES RIGHT ABOUT THERE WHERE THAT THING IS.

AND THEN MINE HAS THE EXTRA PART.

BUT THEY SAID THEY THINK IT WAS DONE IN 1970.

THAT'S LIKE INFORMATION.

UM, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION AND THE, UM, EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AND THE FACT THAT, UM, SHE'S GOING BACK WITH THE ORIGINAL WINDOW SIZES AND DOOR OPENINGS AND EVERYTHING, UM, I BELIEVE I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION TO LEAVE THE ROOF AS IS, UM, SINCE THE, UM, RIGHT NOW THE BIG EXPENSES OF WINDOWS AND SHE'S, UH, COMMITTED TO THAT.

AND, UM, IF SOMEONE IN THE FUTURE WANTED TO ADD A, A CROSS GABLE FOR THE HISTORIC ASPECT OF THE ORIGINAL ROOF, THAT COULD EASILY BE DONE WITHOUT, UM, MODIFYING OR GETTING INTO THE REST OF THE, THE HOUSE.

UH, MR CHAIR, MY THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS, UM, I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE, THE ROOF AS IT'S BEEN REBUILT.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE BY LOOKING AT, YES, THIS SLIDE HERE, UM, THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HOUSE.

WE LOSE, AT LEAST WITH THE OTHER ADDITIONS THAT WERE MADE DURING THE, ALL OF THOSE DECADES, THE ENCLOSED PORCH ON THE BACK, THE SHED.

BEYOND THAT, EVEN THE, FOR FRONT PORCH BEING MODIFIED, YOU STILL COULD SEE WHERE THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE.

IT WAS VERY CLEAR.

YOU COULD SEE THE ORIGINAL SIZE OF THE VOLUME, THE OR YEAH, THE ORIGINAL VOLUME OF THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE WITH THIS NEW ROOF CAPTURING ALL THAT NEW SPACE.

IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK VICTORIAN DOESN'T LOOK FOLK VICTORIAN.

IT DOESN'T LOOK ARTS AND CRAFTS.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO USE THE ANIMAL THING, IT'S NEITHER FISH NOR FOUL AT THIS POINT.

SO THE RESERVATION, THOSE ARE, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE ROOF THAT GIVES ME PAUSE.

UH, FOR INSTANCE, AGAIN, IF THE ADDITION PORTION OF THE HOUSE HAD BEEN INSET MAYBE WITH THE SAME EXTRUDED ROOF, SO YOU HAD MORE OF AN OVERHANG, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DESIGN METHODS THAT WOULD HELP ONE DISTINGUISH WHERE THE OLD HOUSE IS AND THE NEW HOUSE OR THE NEW EDITION BEGINS WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL.

UM, SO I KNOW.

OKAY THEN, THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

WE HAVE NEW FRAMING.

THE WINDOWS MAY BE IN THE CHARACTER, IN THE SPIRIT OF THE VICTORIAN HOUSE THAT WAS ONCE THERE, THE ROOF IS GONE, THE FRONT FRONT PORCH HAS BEEN MODIFIED, THEN RE MODIFIED, THE FOOTPRINT HAS BEEN MODIFIED, ALL OF THE SIDING IS GONE.

WOULD THIS HOUSE STILL BE CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? BECAUSE IT'S UNTIL STAFF FINDS OTHERWISE ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE TREATED AS LANDMARKS.

EVEN THOUGH EVERYTHING IS YES.

THAT AGAIN, RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE ROOF AND WHAT THAT ROOF HAS DONE.

SO LET ME, UM, SURE.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN PERHAPS LAY SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS.

UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE BACK PORTION OF IT, LIKE I WASN'T THERE WHEN IT WAS ADDED AND SO THAT, BUT WE HAVE NOT CHANGED THE, WELL I HAVE NOT CHANGED THE FOOTPRINT AT ALL.

IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME FOOTPRINT.

SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

UM, NUMBER TWO WITH REGARDS TO THE SIDING.

SO THAT ZIP IS JUST, UM, IT'S JUST SHEATH SHEATHING.

IT'S JUST SHEATHING.

UM, WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE, NOT, I SHOULDN'T SAY WE, I'M DIVORCED NOW, LET ME SAY ME, I'M GOING TO REPLACE THE ORIGINAL SIDING THAT WAS THERE, WHICH WAS A DROP DOWN SIDING, UM, ON TOP OF THAT.

IS IT THE ORIGINAL OR IS IT THE ORIGINAL? I HAVE THE, YOU HAVE IT.

I COLLECTED AS MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL AS WE, AS I COULD.

AND I'VE GOT IT AT THE HOUSE.

AND THEN I'VE ALSO GOT SOME NEW ONE, WHICH IS THE EXACT SAME PATTERN AS THE ORIGINAL.

AND WE'RE GOING TO MELD THOSE TWO NOW.

IT IS A HUNDRED YEAR OLD WOOD, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO OUR BEST, BUT IT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO.

SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN WHEREVER WE CAN JUST TO KEEP IT FROM

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THE LANDFILL.

THE BACK OF MY HOUSE HAS ALL THE OLD ORIGINAL SIDING AND FLOORING FROM THE OLD HOUSE.

'CAUSE IT HAD THAT LONG LEAF PINE, BUT IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.

AND MOST OF IT WAS THEY PUT LIKE SELF-LEVELING CONCRETE.

AND THEN THEY ALSO PUT THIS THING CALLED LINOLEUM OR LI LI VINYL LINOLEUM.

IT HAD LINOLEUM ON IT.

SO WE HAD TO SCRAPE ALL THAT UP AND TAKE UP OFF AS MUCH CONCRETE AS WE COULD.

AND WE'VE SAVED IT IN A COVERED SHED SO THAT WE CAN REUSE THAT, UM, FOR THE INSIDE.

AND ALSO THE SAME SIDING.

I'VE GOT IT OUTSIDE.

I SENT YOU A PICTURE OF IT.

I'VE GOT A BIG PILE OF IT LIKE THIS BIG AND UNTIL MAYBE WHERE THAT GENTLEMAN IS SITTING AND WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO KEEP IT FROM THE LANDFILL.

SO IT WILL HAVE ITS CHARACTER.

I THINK IT WAS LESS A VICTORIAN HOUSE AND MORE OF A CRAFTSMAN KIND OF FEEL BY THE TIME WE GOT AROUND LIKE I WAS BORN, I GUESS.

AND THEN, SO WE'RE GOING TO REALLY TRY TO GO WITH THAT.

AND I'M DOING MY BEST BECAUSE I'M A NURSE PRACTITIONER.

I'M NOT A CARPENTER, BUT I HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO HELP ME WITH THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN RETAIN AS MUCH OF THAT CHARACTER AS WE COULD.

I'M GLAD YOU HAVE THE, THE HARDWOOD FLOORING FOR THE INSIDE.

THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S AWESOME.

ME TOO.

UM, UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW FOR WHAT HAPPENS ON THE INSIDE OUR RIGHT.

WHO IS THE EXTERIOR.

SO, UM, IS WHAT I'M, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, I'M I'M SAYING THAT TO, TO JUST SORT OF ALLAY SOME OF THE FEARS ABOUT LOSING ANYTHING.

UM, YES.

WELL, I SUPPOSE THAT'S IT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M IN, I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE, THE, UH, THE MOTION AS PRESENTED TO THE CURRENT MOTION.

I, I, I, I SYMPATHIZE AND I AGREE WITH WHAT SHE'S DOING AND THE EFFORTS SHE'S PUTTING INTO THAT.

SO I WILL BE VOTING IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I THANK YOU.

AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO ONE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

I MEAN, I, I CAN SEE THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO IT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HELP EXPLAIN WHAT YOU DID AND HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

UM, I, TO BE QUITE HONEST, I WAS A LITTLE THROWN OFF, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE ROOF LINE AND HOW THINGS HAD CHANGED AND, YOU KNOW, BUT UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WENT ON AND UNDERSTANDING YOUR SITUATION, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, SEEING THAT THIS WAS AN ADDITION BACK THERE, UM, IT KIND OF THREW ME WHEN, UM, I SAW THE EXPIRED, YOU KNOW, COAS AND, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU DID WHAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DO AND, YOU KNOW, WENT AND GOT THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, REAPPLIED FOR AND, UH, APPROVED BY STAFF, WHICH WAS REALLY GOOD.

SO I, UM, IN, IN ECHOING, UM, COMMISSIONER SINO, UM, LOOKING AT THE HOME NOW, IT, IT, IT'S, TO ME IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

IT, IT'S CHANGED.

, I MEAN, I'M, BUT I'M ENCOURAGED TO SEE THAT YOU'VE SAVED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MUCH MATERIAL AS YOU POSSIBLY COULD AND THEN YOU'VE PURCHASED MM-HMM, , YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT YOU COULD, UM, TO TRY TO MELT IT TOGETHER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO I'M DEFINITELY INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THIS ACTUALLY TURNS OUT.

SO, UM, SO THANK YOU.

I SHALL INVITE YOU FOR SOME KENYAN TEA ONE DAY WHEN ALL THIS IS OVER.

AND THEN YOU CAN TELL ME WHETHER I I I, WHETHER I DID A GOOD JOB OF SACRIFICING MYSELF AT THE ALTAR OF WHAT WE LOVE.

I MEAN, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT AMERICA IS THE HISTORY HERE.

EVERYBODY SORT OF TRIES TO KEEP HISTORY AND I UNDERSTAND THAT DUTY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DUTY TO TO, TO LOVE THE THINGS OF PEOPLE THAT CAME BEFORE US AND DID BEFORE US.

AMAZING THINGS.

AND, UM, I COME FROM A, FROM A CULTURE WHERE WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO MODERNIZE VERY FAST AND THROW AWAY WHATEVER WAS OLD AND, AND SO TO TRY AND KEEP UP AND CATCH UP, YOU KNOW? AND SO IT'S VERY NICE TO SEE SORT OF, UM, TO, TO SORT OF GET TO THIS POINT IN MY MIND WHERE I UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE A DUTY AND EVEN IF IT'S PAINFUL AND IT COSTS MONEY AND IT KIND OF SETS ME BACK, AT LEAST I CAN TRY MY BEST, YOU KNOW? UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO DO IS OPPORTUNITY TO TRY MY BEST WITHOUT HAVING TO GO, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO SORT OF INTO LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CHANGE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FORM, WHICH I DON'T THINK WOULD'VE WORKED VERY WELL AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT HERE I AM AND, AND ALL I CAN DO IS ASK YOU TO JUST TAKE ME AS I AM, YOU KNOW.

UM, SO SORRY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS YOU CAN KEEP YOUR ROOF, YOU'VE

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BEEN APPROVED.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ITEM NUMBER 18, ATTEND TO ITEM NUMBER 18 HDRC CASE 2024 DASH 0 39 5 11 MISSION STREET.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE ENCLOS THE FRONT PORCH BALCONY ON THE NORTHEAST ELEVATION.

TWO, REPLACE THE CLASSIC ROUND COLUMNS ON THE, ON THE FIRST FLOOR FRONT PORCH WITH SQUARE COLUMNS.

THREE.

CONSTRUCT A 420 SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

ITEM ONE.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ENCLOSING THE SECOND STORY FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDING A AND B.

ITEM TWO.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE PORCH COLUMN REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C.

THE CURRENT PORCH COLUMNS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HOUSE.

ITEM THREE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 420 SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE FENESTRATION PATTERNS ON THE REAR ELEVATIONS TO FEATURE REAR FEATURE WINDOWS WITH TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND OPERATIONS.

BASED ON FINDING H THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARDS.

DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS? MR. CHAIR, YOU WANT HIM? NO, I'M JUST NOT NECESSARILY.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF THAT FEATURES PANELS THAT ARE 1821 INCH WIDE SEAM THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH AND A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH OR STANDARD G LOOP FINISH BASED ON FINDINGS.

UM, ITEM FOUR HARDY SIDING MUST FEATURE REVEAL NO MORE THAN SIX INCHES AND SMOOTH TEXTURE FACING OUTWARD BASED ON FINDING I AND FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS OF VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IF APPLICABLE.

THE PROPERTY OWNER, LAUREN DECKER, IS HERE IN PERSON AND THE CONTRACTOR, UM, MATTHEW KNAPP IS HERE IN PERSON AS WELL.

PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

PRESIDENT J CASE.

SO I'M, UH, PHILLIP DECKARD, THE OWNER ON FIVE 11 MISSION STREET.

AND, UM, I FOUND THESE OLD PLANS UPSTAIRS IN THE ATTIC WHEN I, AFTER I BOUGHT THE HOUSE.

AND, UM, SO THE CURRENT LOOK OF THE HOME WAS REMODELED, UH, IN 19 83, 40 YEARS AGO TO CREATE THE LOOK OF THE, OF THE PORCH, IF YOU CALL IT THAT, OR A BALCONY, UH, I CALL IT A BALCONY UP THERE.

AND, UH, PRIOR TO 1983, THAT WAS A BEDROOM AND THERE'S SOME PICTURES THAT SHOW THE HOUSE, UM, IN 1983 THAT HAD THE DOUBLE GABLE, WHICH I DON'T LIKE THAT LOOK AT ALL.

AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS, UH, AND THAT WAS A BEDROOM ORIGINALLY, AND THEY TOOK THE BEDROOM AND SPLIT IT IN HALF, CREATED THE BALCONY ON ONE HALF AND DID THE, A BATHROOM ON THE OTHER HALF.

AND SO WE WOULD, WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO, TO CREATE A CLOSET WITH A WINDOW ON THE, UH, BALCONY, BUT KEEP, ESSENTIALLY KEEP THE SAME LOOK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, KEEP THE SHED ROOF AND ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE THERE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, KEEP THAT, UH, LOOK AND MOVE THE WINDOW OUT AND BE ABLE TO, UH, UTILIZE THAT SPACE SO THAT, THAT WAS THE PLAN.

AND UH, THE OWNER AT THE TIME WAS, HER NAME WAS PEGGY BUTLER, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG LOOKING AT THOSE OLD PICTURES WITH THE DOUBLE GABLE AND SHOWING IT THAT IT'S FLUSHED WITH THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAD BEEN THERE A LONG TIME JUST LOOKING AT THE CONDITION OF IT IN THE PICTURES.

AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME PICTURES THERE OF THAT.

AND, UH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKED LIKE WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 1900.

I HAVE A FEELING THAT IT WAS MORE OF A FARMHOUSE LOOK AS OPPOSED TO VICTORIAN, IN MY OPINION.

I'M NOT AN EXPERT AT AT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S MORE WHAT IT WAS.

AND SO SAME WITH THE SQUARE COLUMNS.

YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE IN 1983 AND HOW THE COLUMNS WERE SQUARE AND THERE'S NUMEROUS,

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UH, EXAMPLES OF SQUARE COLUMNS ON THOSE HOUSES ON MY STREET.

IN FACT, RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME, TO MY LEFT, AS YOU FACE A HOUSE IS A TWO STORY SIMILARLY STYLE HOUSE AND IT'S GOT LARGE SQUARE COLUMNS ON THAT HOUSE.

AND, UH, BUT SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IF THAT HOUSE HAD THE DOUBLE GABLES FROM THE BEGINNING.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROOF LINE NOW, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY, THEY TOOK IT AWAY AND MADE A SLOPED ROOF BEHIND THE SHED ROOF.

SO IF WE DO THE, ARE ABLE TO DO IT, WE'LL KEEP THE SHED ROOF LOOK AND KEEP ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.

IT'D ONLY BE MISSING THE RAILING IN THE FRONT.

THAT'S KIND OF THE PLAN.

YEAH, THE PORCH IS SAGGING NEEDS PORCH.

THE PORCH IS SAGGING.

IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, LIFTED UP AND PROPERLY PRESENT.

SO YEAH, PICTURE NUMBER 14 WOULD BE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND EXCEPT I FORGOT TO ADD IN THE SHUTTERS AND DO THE SHUTTERS JUST LIKE IT LOOKS NOW, EXCEPT WE'D JUST BE MISSING THE RAILING AND USE THE ORIGINAL SIDING.

AND THIS IS THE EXISTING WINDOW THAT, UH, IS IN THE WALL.

WE JUST MOVE IT OUT.

PLEASE USE THE MIC, SIR.

I JUST TAKE THE WHOLE, I TAKE THE WHOLE WALL AND MOVE IT OUT, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF NOT ENCLOSING PORCHES, BUT IT WASN'T ORIGINALLY A PORCH, AT LEAST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 1900, BUT IT, AT LEAST IN 1983 WHEN THEY EMBARKED ON THIS REMODEL PROJECT, IT WAS, UH, A BEDROOM, A LIVABLE SPACE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS RETURN IT TO THAT.

AND, UM, SQUARE COLUMNS WOULD BE DETAILED, UH, VERY MUCH LIKE THE ROUND ONES ARE, BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF IT TO BE SQUARE.

AND IF YOU GO INSIDE THE HOUSE, THE STAIRS THAT GO UP, ALL THE RAILING THERE ARE SQUARE, THEY'RE NOT ROUND.

AND EVEN THE, UH, STAIR SPIRALS OR WHAT THEY CALL THOSE THINGS, THE BALLISTERS OR BALLAST TRADES ARE SQUARE, SMALL SQUARE.

THAT'S, YEAH, THOSE, SOME OF THESE PICTURES OF THE REPAIR WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, DRY ROT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD'VE TO DO THAT NO MATTER WHAT.

IF WE KEEP IT AS A PORCH, WE WOULD'VE TO DO THE REPAIRS, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT .

SO I, I KNOW THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT, BUT, UM, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT CHANGES THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF IT ALL THAT MUCH, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT'S STILL BETTER LOOKING THAN IT WAS IN 1983.

SO OUR OPINIONS ARE, I'M GONNA HAVE MY, UM, REPRESENTATIVE TALK LATER TALK ABOUT THE, UM, CASITA OUT BACK.

SO THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, ARE THERE ANY VOICEMAILS, CLAUDIA? NO.

UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, MR. CHAIR HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR, UH, STAFF.

SO THE, THE REASON WHY THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS BECAUSE IT IS ASSUMING TO NOT MODIFY ANYTHING.

UH, YES.

SO THE, THEY WANNA ENCLOSE THE TWO STORY ON THE SECOND STORY, RIGHT? THEY WANNA ENCLOSE THAT PORCH.

AND SO PER THE GUIDELINES, THE GUIDELINES STATE TO RETAIN THE PORCH AS AN OPEN AIRWAY.

OKAY? BUT, BUT NOW THE, THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I'M, IT, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THE PRO LIKE THE APPLICATION IS COMING IN, IN THE WAY THAT WE CAN BE USEFUL TO IT.

SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A MODIFICATION THAT IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT IN AS A CONCEPTUAL FOR A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, EVEN IF IT'S LAYERED WITH, WITH ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF POWERS YOU ARE, YOU ARE ALSO ABLE TO MAKE, UM, UH, LIKE A COMMISSION ACTION FOR CONCEPTUAL.

SO IF HE WANTS TO COME IN FOR CONCEPTUAL OR FINAL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE CAN COME IN WITH AS WELL.

UM, BUT YOU CAN ALSO MAKE A MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE LEANING TOWARDS.

MY OPINION WOULD BE THE BEST WAY FOR IT TO COME BACK.

BUT SIR, JUST, JUST FOR, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, WHERE I'M GETTING AT, I, IT FEELS LIKE IF WITH WHAT YOU WANNA DO, THERE ISN'T ANY GRAPHIC TO SUPPORT IT AND THAT, THAT PROBABLY

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SO AS WE GET PAST THIS PORTION, UH, MOTION MAY BE DIFFERENT MOTION OR, OR WHATEVER THAT REALLY ENABLES YOU TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO SO THAT YOU HAVE, SO THAT WE HAVE THE TOOLS THAT WE NEED.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S JUST WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IN SOME OLD PICTURES, RIGHT? YEAH.

THANK YOU SIR.

FURTHER QUESTIONS NOW, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

UM, THERE IS A LETTER IN THE FOLDER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION.

YEAH, I SAW THAT LETTER.

WELL, WELL THE MR CHAIR IN ASKING FOR A MOTION, UM, I, I WOULD ASK FELLOW COMMISSIONER, UM, SAVINO IF SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP AND IF, IF THIS WAS TO COME SAY, CAME TO US AS AN APPLICATION TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WOULD COME BACK WITH WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT JUST A PICTURE OF WHAT IT COULD BE, BUT, BUT, BUT IS THE INTENT IN A WORKING DRAWING OR IN A, IN A CONCEPTUAL WORKING DRAWING OR JUST USING, JUST HAVING SOME DRAWING TYPICAL DRAWINGS, DIMENSION DRAWINGS, WELL MAYBE STAFF, MAYBE A, A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE, BUT WITH STAFF, I I TO GUIDE THE APPLICANT.

HOW ABOUT A DRC? I TOOK THE ORIGINAL, UH, PICTURES THAT ARE PART OF, OR THE, THE DRAFT IS WHERE SOME OF THESE PICTURES ORIGINATED AND I DID ON ONE OF THE PICTURES, I DID DRAW IN THE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS OF IT IN RED, YOU KNOW, WITH A, THAT I ADDED TO IT, UH, SOMETIME OR ANOTHER.

SEE, THE PROBLEM WITH MAKING A, HOW WOULD YOU MAKE A MOTION TO SAY, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH, WITH APPLICANT'S DRAWINGS IS TO ME, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION THERE THAT, THAT IF WE MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE AND THAT Y'ALL COULD GUIDE HIM TO HAVING TO RETURN AT A TIME THAT IS WORKS FOR Y'ALL TO RETURN WITH, WITH SOMETHING THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT HE'S GONNA DO, PERIOD.

I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE ISSUES THERE.

UM, THE FIRST IS I DO THINK THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S REQUESTING AND FOR HIM TO GET FEEDBACK ON WHETHER HE'S MOVING THE RIGHT DIRECTION OR THE WRONG DIRECTION.

THAT CAN COME IN THE FORM OF A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, LIKE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OR IT CAN BE A DENIAL.

UM, IF THERE'S CONCERN WITH THE LEVEL OF DOCUMENTATION, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO, TO DO LIKE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

UM, EVEN IF IT, EVEN IF IT WAS, I THINK JUST A CONTINUANCE IS LIKE HE'LL DEVELOP THE DRAWINGS FURTHER.

BUT THE SAME QUESTION IS GONNA COME HERE.

THE SAME QUESTION IS GONNA BE, CAN I DO AN ADDITION AT THIS LOCATION? AND SO I THINK IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY, IF THERE'S COMFORT LEVEL GIVING THE FEEDBACK NOW, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT OR REFERRING TO A DRC TO GIVE FEEDBACK, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MOVE.

UM, JUST CONTINUING TO A FUTURE DATE.

I THINK IT'S GONNA PUT 'EM RIGHT BACK HERE WITH THE SAME QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

UNDERSTOOD.

SHOW THAT A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE WITH FURTHER REFINEMENT IN A DRC IN BETWEEN THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T PUT TOGETHER A MOTION LIKE THAT.

YOU CAN, IT WOULD JUST BE REFERRED TO DRC.

UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MEET WITH UH, A DRC DESIGNER VIEW COMMITTEE? SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS? YES.

UH, I WOULD SUGGEST ON SITE WITH THE SET OF PLANS THAT YOU FOUND ON THE MM-HMM.

ON YEAH.

IN THE PROPERTY? YEAH.

UM, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE BEDROOM THAT WAS REMOVED WAS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.

IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN 'CAUSE I COULDN'T FIND ANY PICTURES.

AND I THINK MAYBE THERE ORIGINALLY WAS A BALCONY HERE AND THEN SOMEONE ENCLOSED IT AND MADE IT A BEDROOM.

ITS IT POSSIBLE AND THEY, UH, RETURNED IT BACK.

SO I THINK A-A-D-R-C SITE.

DRC, UH, WITH YOUR, UH, THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU FOUND.

WOULD BE, UH, VERY INFORMATIVE.

SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR A SITE DRC.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION FIRST? WHAT? UM, I'LL SECOND.

OKAY, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR QUESTION NOW.

SO I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BALCONY BALCONY RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, CAN WE SEE WHAT THE PROPOSED CASITA WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE? YES.

SO I'M GONNA HAVE MY REPRESENTATIVE DO THAT, UH, SHORTLY.

I'D LIKE TO THAT BEFORE WE PORTION SCOOT OFF TO SOMETHING ELSE.

FOR REVIEW OF THE REAR STRUCTURE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT, I MEAN, I ASSUME YOU, YOU CAN GET PARTIAL APPROVALS, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD APPROVE THE CASITA THEN COME BACK FOR THE, OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION YOU WANT TO, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

CAN HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? UM, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS

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CAN THEY BE SPLIT? CAN CAN WE GET A APPROVAL ON THIS AND THEN GO TO THE OTHER ONE? YES.

YOU CAN TAKE ACTION ON ITEM THREE.

UM, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S SUFFICIENT INFORMATION AND REFER ITEMS ONE AND TWO TO THE DRC.

CLARIFICATION.

THE, THE SITE DRC IS FOR ITEMS ONE AND TWO SECOND STANDS.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

FLORE IS, WHAT IS THE MOTION IN REGARDS TO ITEM THREE? WE'RE GOING DISCUSS THAT SEPARATELY.

WE'LL DISCUSS OKAY.

SEPARATELY? YEAH, HE'S COMING UP.

OKAY, FLORES.

AYE SAVINA.

AYE.

MATTHEW, UH, COMING UP TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER THREE.

ONE MOMENT PLEASE, SIR.

NOW WE CAN SOURCE ITEM THREE.

OKAY, GOOD.

WHAT'S UP, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

OH, YOU GUYS WEREN'T READY FOR ME.

HI, MY NAME'S MATTHEW KNAPP.

I'M WITH ELBOW ROOM AND WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT UH, THE CASITA OUR CLIENTS WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THE BACK OF THEIR, UH, HOME.

SO YOU'LL NOTICE WE'RE, UH, AS WE MENTIONED, THE CASITA WILL HAVE THE STANDARD ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS JUST LIKE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE DOES.

UH, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND PURCHASE THOSE.

WE WANNA KEEP THAT SAME ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.

UH, SINCE IT'S AN ADDITION, WE ARE GOING TO ADD THAT SMOOTH BOARD AND BATTEN.

SO YOU CAN TELL IF YOU DO SEE IT FROM THE ROAD OR THE DRIVEWAY THAT IT HAS BEEN.

IN ADDITION TO THE HISTORICAL HOME IN THE FRONT, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP ARE THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE OF THE CASITA DO NOT HAVE FILTRATION.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS.

AND THE REASON BECAUSE OF THAT IS OUR CLIENT IS, UM, INSTALLING CUSTOM MADE, UH, MURPHY BEDS.

THEY'RE GONNA GO ON THAT WALL.

UM, AND WE NEED THAT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THOSE MURPHY BEDS 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE BUILT IN.

AND SO ADDING A WINDOW TO EITHER SIDE OF THOSE AREAS ARE GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM THOSE MURPHY BEDS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO INSTALL FOR WHEN THEIR GRANDKIDS COME TO VISIT.

THEY HAVE A PLACE TO STAY.

AND THEN SAME THING WITH THE BACK WINDOWS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY A BATHROOM WINDOW, SO THAT IS RIGHT ABOVE THE TOILET.

AND THE ONE TO THE RIGHT, UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE KITCHENETTE IN THERE, WHICH WILL HAVE A SINK AND JUST A LITTLE FRIDGE.

AND THAT'S JUST A LITTLE SMALL WINDOW THAT IS JUST FOR THAT KITCHEN.

SO THEY'RE THE SAME WIDTH, THEY'RE JUST NOT THE SAME DEPTH, UM, ON THERE.

UH, AND THEN THE ROOF WILL BE THE STANDING SEAM.

IT'LL MATCH THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.

IT'LL BE THE 18 INCHES WIDE.

UM, HAVE THE SAME ST STYLE.

IT'LL BE A LEAN TO ROOF, UH, BUT WE'LL MAKE IT MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE.

UH, SAME THING WITH THE PORCH THAT'LL COME OFF THE FRONT.

THE LANDING WILL MATCH THE SAME AESTHETIC AS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAINTAINING THAT HISTORICAL VALUE.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS ALWAYS THERE.

JUST KIND OF BLENDS IN.

YOU DON'T NOTICE IT.

BUT THAT WAS IT.

QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER? MM-HMM.

MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, THIS IS A, UM, NICELY COMPACT, UM, STRUCTURE.

UM, KIND OF UTILITARIAN MA'AM.

THE HOUSE? YES MA'AM.

I, I WILL AGREE WITH THE, THE OWNER REGARDING THE, THE STYLE OF THE MAIN HOUSE.

I DO THINK IT WAS PROBABLY MORE VERNACULAR FARMHOUSE RATHER THAN VICTORIAN.

SO IT'S VERY FUNCTIONAL.

THIS FALLS RIGHT IN WITH THAT.

UH, TELL ME ABOUT THE, ONCE AGAIN ABOUT THE WINDOWS ON THOSE SIDES.

I KNOW YOU SAID THAT A MURPHY BED WOULD BE INSTALLED.

UM, SO ARE WE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BUILT-IN CABINET AND BED AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO EXTEND FROM ONE END OF THE ROOM TO THE ABSOLUTE? IT'S GONNA BE, UM, WE KIND OF DREW IT IN SO YOU COULD IMAGINE IT OKAY.

UM, ON THERE.

AND SO IT'LL ACTUALLY BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE UHHUH OF THE ROOM.

SO IT'S, I'M REAL BIG ON FENG SHUI, SO I DON'T WANT IT TO BE UNEVEN.

SO, UH, THE WAY WE DESIGNED IT WITH HER IS THAT IT'LL BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

SO WE ARE ALWAYS OPEN IF WE NEED TO PUT A WINDOW.

I KNOW THERE NEEDS TO BE THERE.

IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE ON THE SIDE OR THE LEFT, UM, WE CAN ALWAYS DO THAT IF IT, IF IT NEEDS TO.

I SEE.

YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY AN OPTION.

SO YOU'D BE, UH, OPEN TO PUTTING A SMALL WINDOW ON EITHER SIDE? YEAH, MAYBE SOMETHING SIMILAR, LIKE WHETHER IT, WHETHER IT'S A, YEAH, WHETHER IT'S TWO ON THAT WALL OR JUST ONE ON ONE END.

I JUST THINK THAT, UM, THE WAY THE BUILDING LOOKS NOW, IT ALMOST LOOKS TOO FUNCTIONAL.

IT LOOKS TOO, IT ALMOST LOOKS INDUSTRIAL LIKE A A I CAN SEE THAT BUILDING A KIT BUILDING, YOU KNOW.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, NO EXTRA WINDOWS.

UM, BUT I THINK FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE INSIDE, THE QUALITY OF THE, THE LIGHTING YES MA'AM FROM DIFFERENT AREAS WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.

SO YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO ADDING OUTSIDE SIDE? YEAH.

OF THE BED SO IT'S RELATIVELY THE SAME SIZE TO THE BACK WINDOWS OF THEIR CURRENT HOME, JUST SO IT KIND OF MATCHES.

I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, BENEFICIAL MAYBE TO PUT A A 36, YOU KNOW, THREE FOOT BY FIVE FOOT WINDOW ON EITHER SIDE

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WE'RE KIND OF KEEPING THAT SAME THEME AND WE COULD PUT IT ON BOTH SIDES SO IT'S, WHATEVER'S ON THE LEFT IS EXACTLY ON THE RIGHT.

SO IT KIND OF MATCHES WHAT MAKES SENSE, FOR INSTANCE.

THE SMALL BEDROOM MAY NOT NEED AS MUCH ANY WINDOWS OR AS LARGE A ONE.

YES MA'AM.

YEAH, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.

FURTHER QUESTIONS, I JUST ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER SAVINO MENTIONED ABOUT HAVING THE WINDOWS.

SO I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP.

UM, IF, IF YOU COULD PUT ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE MURPHY BED AND I DEFINITELY, I'D SUGGEST MAYBE A, A ONE OVER ONE UH, WINDOW INSTEAD OF THAT SINGLE PANE THAT THAT'S UP THERE RIGHT NOW? YEAH, DEFINITELY.

OR ON THE OTHER SIDE RIGHT NOW.

JUST SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH SO IT KIND OF MATCHES THE FRONT AS WELL, RIGHT? EXACTLY.

OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ADDING UH, ON THE PROJECT EAST AND PROJECT WEST ELEVATION A WINDOW AS DESCRIBED BY UH, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER SINO.

AND I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT IF YOU'RE DOING FE SHUI YOU CAN'T PUT 'EM FACING EACH OTHER 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A DOOR.

NO, I CAN'T MESS UP.

YOUR ENERGY WILL FLOW ENERGY.

IT IS JUST GONNA FLOW RIGHT IN.

IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FLORES? AYE.

ITEM 19, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 0 3 10 24 BURNETT, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY TO MODIFY THE EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN ON EACH FACADE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.

ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND KIND TWO THAT ANY ALUMINUM WINDOWS REPLACED FEATURE AN INSTEAD OF TWO INCHES WITHIN FACADES AND SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE IMMEDIATE VICINITY ALONG WITH STAFF'S.

UH, TYPICAL STIPULATIONS REGARDING WINDOWS THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE TO DEMONSTRATE THE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS AND SIZE OF NEW WINDOWS.

THIS CAN INCLUDE ANY INTACT WALL FRAMING OR AREAS WHERE SIDING HAS BEEN PATCHED.

DUE WINDOW SIZES CAN ALSO REFLECT OR REFERENCE EXISTING ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY.

NO WORK IS TO PROCEED UNTIL WINDOW LOCATIONS AND APPROPRIATE SIZES HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED BY STAFF.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A AND H THROUGH K.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT APPLICANT EITHER RETAIN THE EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN OR RETURN TO THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATION PATTERN.

THE APPLICANT, ALEX BARRERA, IS HERE IN PERSON.

THERE IS ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW.

PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND PRESENT YOUR CASE.

RA AT 10 24 BURNETT.

I AM HERE TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS TO THE, TO THE HOME.

UH, MOST OF THE HOMES WERE, MOST OF THE WINDOWS WERE ALUMINUM WINDOWS.

UH, I WANT TO CHANGE THE HEIGHT TO MATCH THE FRONT OF THE ELEVATION.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS 28 INCHES FROM THE FLOOR.

UM, ON THAT WINDOW DIAGRAM, I THINK I HAVE THE, THE WINDOWSILL HEIGHT AND I WANTED TO MATCH, IF YOU STOP THERE, IF YOU GO BACK UP RIGHT THERE, I WANTED TO MATCH THE WINDOWS TO THE, TO THE SIZE OF THAT ADDITIONAL BACK BEDROOM THERE, UH, TO MAKE THE WHOLE HOUSE THE SAME SIZE AS THOSE WINDOWS.

AND WE DID SOME REFRAMING INSIDE THE HOUSE.

IT'S A FOUR BEDROOM, THREE BATH HOME NOW, SO WE HAD TO CHANGE, UH, SOME OF THE INTERIOR WALLS AND THAT'LL INVOLVE HAVING TO CHANGE THE POSITION OF SOME OF THE INTERIOR WINDOWS TO FORMAT THE INTERIOR BEDROOMS. NOW THE, THE SIT SIR, THAT'S ALL.

UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION?

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I'M SORRY.

DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WE HAVE ONE LETTER.

UM, BUT NO, NO VOICEMAILS.

QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION HEARING? NO QUESTIONS? I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

SO VIOLATION.

SO ON DECEMBER 22ND, STAFF ISSUED A STOP ORDER FOR YOU.

SO YOU STATED THAT THE WINDOWS, UH, REMOVAL WAS DONE TO ALLOW FOR INTERIOR FRAMING.

SO WERE YOU NOT AWARE THAT YOU WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT? OR HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW, WHAT HAPPENED THERE? I WAS AWARE OF, I WAS IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, I WAS AWARE IF WE NEEDED TO GET, UM, APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE WINDOWS.

UM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE COULD CHANGE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FRAMING OF THE INTERIOR PART OF THE HOME.

UM, I GUESS I JUST DIDN'T, UH, REALIZE THAT WITHIN CHANGING THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE CHANGING SOME OF THE WINDOW POSITIONS.

SO WE HAD DONE A COUPLE WINDOWS AND THEN I GOT A CALL FROM BRIAN AND WE STOPPED WORK AT THAT POINT.

SO YOU, UM, MADE CHANGES TO THE INTERIOR FRAMING AND HAD TO REMOVE THE WINDOWS TO DO THAT.

AND YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WAS, THAT IT REQUIRED APPROVAL FOR THAT? IS THAT, AM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM YOU? THAT IS CORRECT.

UH, WITH ME NOT ACTUALLY INSTALLING THE WINDOWS, I FIGURED, UM, UH, IT WAS, I WASN'T INSTALLING THE WINDOWS.

I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS GONNA BE AN ISSUE, UH, CHANGING THE POSITION OF THE WINDOWS.

ONCE WE WERE GONNA INSTALL THE WINDOWS, I WAS GONNA WAIT TO GET THE APPROPRIATE, UH, APPROVAL FROM THE HISTORIC.

SO WHEN YOU TOOK THE WINDOW OUT, AND SO YOU WERE, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WERE GONNA TRYING TO PUT THE SAME WINDOW BACK IN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING? NO, SIR.

SO THEN I'M, I'M NOT TRACKING.

SO HELP ME WITH THAT.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TAKING, IF YOU, IF YOU REMOVE THE WINDOW TO CHANGE THE FRAMING INSIDE AND THEN YOU ARE TAKING THE WINDOW OUT, WHICH IS NOW PART OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE FRAMING OF COURSE IS ON THE INSIDE CLEARLY, BUT NOW THE WINDOW IS NOW PART OF THE OUTSIDE, SO I'M STILL NOT FOLLOWING HERE.

SO HOW WOULD YOU NOT THINK THAT THAT WAS, WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT WAS APPROPRIATE? UM, I FIGURED WHEN I GO IN TO GET THE APPROPRIATE, UH, ACCEPTANCE FOR THE WINDOWS, I WOULD GET AN APPROVAL AT THAT POINT.

I KNOW WE REMOVED THE WINDOWS.

UM, I JUST, I GUESS I DIDN'T FORESEE IT BEING AN ISSUE SINCE WE WEREN'T ACTUALLY INSTALLING IN THE WINDOWS.

UM, I GUESS I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION IF, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS NOT OKAY, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THE FRAMING, TAKE THE FRAMING OFF, AND THEN REINSTALL THE WINDOWS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIR? IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO MAKE, I I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION JUST VERY, VERY QUICKLY.

GOOD TO, TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF, UM, COMMISSIONER GIBB.

SO WHEN YOU TOOK THE WINDOWS OFF TO ADJUST FREEMAN ON THE INSIDE, ARE YOU TALKING YOU HAD TO TAKE 'EM OFF OF ADMIN AND DO SOME FRAMING WORK AND WHEN YOU WERE GONNA PUT 'EM BACK IS LIKE A FEW INCHES EITHER LEFT OR RIGHT OR ARE YOU PUT IT BACK, YOU KNOW, FEET AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATION, UH, FEET AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.

OKAY, GOT IT.

COMMISSIONER SINA? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WE DENY ITEM NUMBER TWO.

SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

UM, I THINK THIS IS, UM, THIS IS A COMPLEX SITUATION BECAUSE THERE'S ONGOING WORK OR THERE IS PREVIOUS WORK OCCURRING AND SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU NEED TO HAPPEN ON THE INSIDE AND THAT'S WHY YOU'VE MOVED OR HOPE TO MOVE THE WINDOWS.

I THINK ITEM NUMBER THREE, UNDERSTAFFED STIPULATIONS COULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN THAT YOU WORK WITH STAFF TO SHOW WHERE, UM, SHOW EVIDENCE TO DEMONSTRATE THE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS AND NEW SIZES.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WORKING WITH STAFF ON WOULD PROBABLY YIELD THE BEST RESULTS.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 5 0 7 3 31 FOR DRIVE.

YES MA'AM.

FURTHER DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

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THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL IRON HANDRAILS ON THE FRONT YARD.

CONCRETE STEPS TWO, CONSTRUCT A SIDE EDITION THREE, CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION.

FOUR.

ENCLOSED THE EXISTING FRONT ENTRYWAY.

FIVE.

REPLACE THE EXISTING VINYL SIDING IN KIND AND SIX INSTALL VINYL FOUNDATION SIDING, SKIRTING, I'M SORRY.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THROUGH BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH IN WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN REFLECTING THE PROPERTY LIMITS AND THE PROJECT IN RELATION TO THE LOT TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT MEASURED ELEVATION DRAWINGS FOR STAFF TO REVIEW.

THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT ADD WINDOW OPENINGS TO THE SIDE ADDITION THAT ARE FULLY WOOD AND MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMIT TO STAFF FOR, UM, FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

UM, FOUR, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD SIDING AND ANT SKIRTING TO THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS THAT MATCH THE VINYL COVERED WOOD SIDING.

FIVE.

THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A PRODUCT DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSED REAR ADDITIONS EXTERIOR.

SIX.

THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS THE VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS FOUR THROUGH SIX BASED ON FINDINGS A AND O THROUGH Q.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE EXISTING FRONT ENTRYWAY, REPAIR THE COVERED WOOD SIDING IN KIND AND INSTALL MATCHING WOOD SKIRTING OR CEMENT FIBERBOARD SIDING WITH THE MAXIMUM OF SIX INCH REVEAL AND THE SMOOTH SIDE FACING SCENE OUTWARD.

THE PROPERTY OWNER BO GARCIA AND THE APPLICANT AARON LONGORIA ARE HERE VIRTUALLY.

THERE IS ONE LETTER IN ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW.

PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND PRESENT YOUR CASE.

I LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND, AND KEEP THE VINYL AND JUST SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, FINISH UP WHAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD ALREADY TAKEN OFF, UM, AND PUT IT BACK IN PLACE.

HI EVERYONE.

UM, BO GARCIA HERE.

UM, YEAH, SO WHAT I'M, UH, WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO IS, UH, UH, DO A SMALL BUMP OUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE FOR A, UH, FUNCTIONING, UH, MAIN BATHROOM.

UM, THE HOUSE DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE ONE.

IT IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A MAIN BEDROOM AND BATHROOM, SO I'M TRYING TO DO THAT.

UM, SO THAT'LL BE THE BUMP OUT TO THE RIGHT OF THE HOUSE.

UM, ON THE BACKSIDE, IT ALSO, SINCE IT ALSO DOESN'T HAVE A PROPER, UH, LAUNDRY MAT, SO I'M TRYING TO DO THE BACK ADDITION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO THE, THE, THE ADDITION WILL BE RIGHT AROUND HERE FOR, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE FOR LAUNDRY.

RIGHT NOW IT SITS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE KITCHEN, WHICH IS NOT REALLY ALL THAT FUNCTIONAL.

UM, AND THEN, UH, ENC CLOSING THE FRONT, UM, UM, I CALL IT THE MUDROOM.

UH, AND CLOSING THAT, UM, MAINLY FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, UM, UH, THE INTENTION WOULD BE FOR MY MOTHER WHO'S ELDERLY TO GO AND MOVE INTO THE HOUSE.

UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS I'VE BEEN GOING TO THE HOUSE AND, UM, THE LAST TIME I WENT, UH, I FOUND, UH, GARBAGE AND STUFF THAT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY EITHER SPENT SOME TIME THERE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF TIME OR MAYBE EVEN OVERNIGHT.

UM, AS IF YOU GO UP AND LOOK AT THE, THE PICTURE FROM THE VERY FRONT, THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO GATE, THERE IS NO DOOR.

THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THERE TO GO AND PROTECT SOMEBODY FROM SITTING RIGHT IN THERE.

UM, AND YOU CAN'T SEE THAT FROM, FROM THE STREET AS IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF NARROW, PRETTY PRETTY.

SO I, I WANT TO ENCLOSE THAT.

UM, I DO TRAVEL QUITE A BIT FOR WORK, SO I'M HARDLY EVER HOME.

WHEN I DO TRAVEL, I'M GONE FOR SOMETIMES EVEN UP TO A MONTH.

UM, SO I'D RATHER, YOU KNOW, FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, HAVE THAT ENCLOSED AND I COULD USE THAT FOR LIVING ROOM SPACE AS WELL.

SO MAKE IT MORE FUNCTIONAL.

I DON'T SEE ANY FUNCTION OF IT NOW.

UM, SO THAT'S, OH, AND UM, AS FAR AS THE SIDING, SO I BOUGHT THE HOUSE AS, UM, AS IS, UH, APPARENTLY THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD STARTED, UM, A, A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION ON IT ALREADY, UH, WHICH INCLUDED REMOVING SOME OF THE EXISTING VINYL SIDING.

UM, AND UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY PERMITS OR ANYTHING DONE PRIOR TO, BUT, UH, UM, BUT NOW I'M BEING TOLD OR I FOUND OUT THAT I COULDN'T TOUCH IT AT ALL.

SO BUMPING IT OUT OR DOING THE BUMP OUT, UM, AND THEN REPLACING WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN OFF, UH, WHICH IS MAINLY THE SKIRTING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUSE THERE.

UM, THEN, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTS ME IN A VINE WITH, WITH, WITH MY BUDGET, ET CETERA.

UM, SO IDEALLY

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SO KEEP IT AS SI.

UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TO MATCH A LOT OF THE HOUSES IN THE AREA, INCLUDING MY DIRECT NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT HAS EXACTLY THE SAME VINYL.

UM, AND THEN A LOT OF THIS OTHER HOUSES HAD, UH, HAVE SIMILAR STYLE HOUSES HAVE, UM, SIMILAR STYLE, UH, SIDING.

SOME MAY BE VINYL, SOME IS I BELIEVE WOOD, SOME MAY BE COMPOSITE OR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT SIMILAR STYLE, UM, AS THE, UH, THE ONE THAT IT HAS UNDERNEATH THE VINYL RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE IS, UH, CEDAR SHAKE, WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN, UH, ALMOST ALL THE HOUSES IN, IN HERE.

UM, YEAH.

SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S IT.

UM, BRIAN, DID YOU SAY THEY WERE VOICEMAILS OR JUST A LETTER IN PACKET THERE THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL.

LET ME PULL IT UP REALLY QUICK.

AGENDA ITEM 20, CASE NUMBER 20 23 5 0 7 3 31 F.

MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DR ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE 10 MEMBER MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 0 1.

WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO RESTORE THE HOME AT 3 31 FUR.

WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE WITH THE DETAILED STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS FOUR THROUGH SIX.

WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DENIAL, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR HDRC CASES WHILE THE HOME'S VINYL SIDING WAS INSTALLED BEFORE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DESIGNATED HISTORIC.

IF THE VINYL IS REMOVED, THEN WOOD SIDING SHOULD BE INSTALLED INSTEAD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF.

IS THERE ANY INDICATION OR OF WHAT THE FOOTPRINT WAS ORIGINALLY FOR THIS HOUSE AS FAR AS LIKE A SANDBORN OVERHEAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? AND THE REASON I ASK IS THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF LIKE PROTRUSIONS OR LITTLE ADD-ONS OR, YOU KNOW, STUFF TACKED ONTO THE PERIPHERAL OF IT.

SURE.

SO, UM, WE HAVE THE 1934 OR 1931 SANBORN MAP.

LET ME ZOOM IN REALLY QUICK.

SO IT'S, UH, RIGHT HERE.

UM, ALSO TOO, WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL SHOW THE FRONT.

SO THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW MODIFICATIONS OVER TIME.

UM, THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A CURRENTLY A TWO, UM, TWO STORY ADDITION AT THE REAR, WHICH, UM, IS NOT ORIGINAL.

THE, UM, SANDBORN MAP INDICATES THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS ORIGINALLY ONE STORY TALL WHERE MY, WHERE I'M HIGHLIGHTING AS WELL, THERE, THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION OF A, UM, FRONT ADDITION RIGHT HERE.

SO THAT ENTRYWAY THAT MR. GARCIA'S PROPOSING TO ENCLOSE, UM, WAS ORIGINALLY AN OPEN PORCH, UM, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, BUT HAS SINCE BEEN, UH, FLANKED BY THE FRONT ADDITION.

UM, THOSE ARE JUST THE, A COUPLE OF THE ADDITIONS OVER TIME THAT ARE READILY APPARENT.

SO, SO THEN THE FENESTRATION THAT WE SEE LIKE THAT WITH THAT, THAT THAT DOORWAY ARCHWAY, THAT SHAPE IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE TO BEGIN WITH.

SO THIS, UH, FRONT ENTRYWAY IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, IT'S JUST THIS WOULD'VE BEEN AN OPEN PORCH AT SOME POINT.

SO THIS ADDITION OFF TO THE RIGHT IS, UH, UM, WAS ADDED AT A LATER DATE.

BUT THAT, THAT, THAT COLUMN LOOKING WITH THE ROUND ON THE TOP, THAT TO THE RIGHT OF THAT THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULDN'T BE A COLUMN THERE, RIGHT? UH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE THAT YEAH.

THAT THAT'S NOT ORIGINAL.

CORRECT.

UM, GIVEN THE STYLE OF THE HOME, IT'S MORE LIKELY THAN NOT WOULD'VE BEEN ORIGINAL.

WOULD IT HAVE BEEN LIKE A BEAM OR IRON OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE ON THE LEFT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

I THINK IT JUST WOULD'VE BEEN SIDING.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN OPEN 'CAUSE THAT ADDITION WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE.

CORRECT.

I THINK THAT WAS KINDA LIKE A PORCH.

SO IT'D BE OPEN AIR.

I THINK THAT WOULD, SORRY.

UM, I THINK THIS, THE ARCHWAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD MIMIC WHAT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE WHERE IT HAS THAT, THE COLUMN AT THE FAR LEFT.

YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING RIGHT THERE.

AND IT'S JUST REPEATING OVER THE DOORWAY INSTEAD VERSUS IT JUST BEING A A YEAH.

THANK

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YOU.

AND I THINK THIS IS JUST A, AN EASY AGREE WITH STAFF.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, THE REAR DOOR ON THE HOUSE HAS A, UM, SECURITY SCREEN AND ACTUALLY THE FRONT DOOR DOES AS WELL.

DID HAVE YOU CONSIDERED PUTTING A SECURITY SCREEN AT THE ARCHWAY AND NOT IN CLOSING OR GETTING RID OF THAT, UH, FRONT SPACE? YEAH, SO, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M, I'M OPEN TO DOING.

HOWEVER, UM, RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR ME TO REMOVE ALL METAL, LIKE ITEMS ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH I'M FINE WITH.

I, I WAS PLANNING ON REMOVING THOSE DOORS ANYWAYS, UM, AND USING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT I'M GONNA PUT IN PLACE, BUT, UH, RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REMOVING ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WR IRON, WHICH IS APPARENTLY NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T BRING THAT UP AT ALL.

AND THEN, UH, STAFF'S COMMENTS ABOUT ADDING A WINDOW ON THAT, UH, ADDITION ON THE SIDE, WOULD YOU BE, UH, WILLING TO PUT A, UH, SMALL WINDOW ABOVE THE, UH, WATER CLOSET ON, ON HERE? YOU MEAN, SO ONCE THE BUMP OUT IS YES, ABSOLUTELY.

SO ON THE DRAWING, I THINK I, I I MISSED THAT, BUT YES, THERE, THERE, THERE WILL BE WINDOWS THERE, WHICH, UM, THAT'S THE OTHER THING.

REVERTING ALL THE WINDOWS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WOOD FRAME WINDOWS.

RIGHT NOW IT HAS A MIXTURE OF WOOD AND ALUMINUM, SO I DO PLAN ON, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WINDOWS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THIS WINDOWS HERE, IF THEY GET REMOVED FOR THE BUMP OUT, UM, USE THOSE WINDOWS IN THE LAUNDRY ROOM OR WHEREVER I CAN USE 'EM.

UM, ALSO WHEN AHEAD AND FOUND A, UM, SALVAGE OR MORE OF A, UH, I GUESS THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PICKERS, UH, IN THE AREA THAT HAVE THIS TYPE OF WINDOW.

SO I'M GONNA GO AND USE SALVAGE WINDOWS, BUT I DO WANT TO USE SMALLER WINDOWS BECAUSE IT'LL BE A BATHROOM FOR PRIVACY REASONS RIGHT NOW.

UM, THESE ARE BELOW KNEE HIGH, SO I WANTED TO GO AND SEE IF I CAN USE SMALLER WINDOWS AND, BUT, BUT ABSOLUTELY ADD WINDOWS TO, TO THAT, THAT SECTION.

I THINK A, A SMALL, UH, WINDOW IN THE BATHROOM WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

UH, AND YOU CAN LOOK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE THE, THE SIZE AND UH, PROPORTION OF WINDOWS THAT ARE IN, UH, BATHROOMS. VERY GOOD.

YEAH, I CAN DO THAT.

THAT'S FINE THAT YOU FURTHER QUESTIONS NEITHER.

AND CHAIN OF MOTION, EDMOND.

OH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION GOOD TO, UH, APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

THERE A SECOND.

A SECOND.

DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION.

THEY MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.