* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS DWAYNE NELSON. I'VE BEEN CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD FOR OUR SAN ANTONIO BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, UH, FOR EIGHT FEBRUARY, 2024. THE TIME IS NOW NINE 14. UH, COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? DANE NELSON. PRESENT MS. BROWN. I'M HERE. FRED ANDIS. HERE. ROBERT TAPIA. PRESENT. JOEL SOLIS PRESENT. THOMAS FRANKS PRESENT. ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ARE ERIC BURNS AND LUCINDA OROZCO FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AMIN TOMAS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR JENNY RAMIREZ, CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER. JUDY KRUM, BSB LIAISON ES ORTIZ, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SPECIALIST. AND MYSELF, JENNIFER MARTINEZ, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TWO CHAIR. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. COULD WE HAVE THAT SPANISH TRANSLATION PLEASE? THANK YOU FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD ON EIGHT FEBRUARY, 2024. A QUARUM IS PRESENT. PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONE OR ANY DEVICE THAT MAY DISRUPT THE PUBLIC HEARING. NO PERSON SHALL DELAY OR DISRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS OR DISOBEY THE ORDER OF THE CHAIR. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THE CASE, YOU WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES. HOWEVER, AN OWNER OR OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE UNLIMITED TIME. PLEASE KEEP ALL INFORMATION RELEVANT TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND THE CODE VIOLATION AS ADVISED PRIOR TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING, THE CITY WILL PROVIDE TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR ANYONE NEEDING ASSISTANCE. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE MADE SUCH ARRANGEMENTS AS ADVISED IN YOUR NOTICE OF HEARING. OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU SUBMITTED YOUR REQUIRED DOCUMENTS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A PROPERTY OWNER OR LIEN HOLDER OF DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE CASE IS TO DEMONSTRATE THE FOLLOWING. NUMBER ONE, PROVIDE THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS. DISCUSS YOUR DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK WITH A COST FOR EACH ITEM OUTLINED IN ORDER TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE CODE OFFICER. NUMBER TWO, SUBMIT THE RETIRED REQUIRED PROOF OF FINANCIAL ABILITY TO PAY TO PAY FOR PROPOSED WORK AND DISCUSS FEASIBILITY OF REPAIRS DEPENDENT UPON MONIES AT HAND. AND NUMBER THREE, REQUEST THE AMOUNT OF TIME NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE WORK. ALL ABATEMENT ORDERED BY THE BOARD SHALL BE ENFORCED. ALL WORK PROPOSED MUST BE DONE WITHIN CODE REGULATIONS WITH REQUIRED PERMITS PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF WORK. YOU MAY OBTAIN ALL PERMITS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES LOCATED AT 1901 SOUTH ALAMO STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. IF IN DOUBT AS TO THE PROCESS DURING THE TIME, PLEASE CONTACT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. ANY OWNER OR LIEN HOLDER DISSATISFIED WITH THE ORDER OF THIS BOARD MAY FILE AN APPEAL IN CIVIL DISTRICT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THE DATE THAT THE ORDER IS MAILED. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ORDERS, PLEASE CONTACT A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF MEMBER BY PHONE AT TWO, OH, EXCUSE ME, 2 1 0 2 0 7 5 4 2 2. PLEASE NOTE THAT IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON PRESENT TO SOLICIT OR SERVICES REGARDING ANY PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THIS BOARD DURING THE COURSE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. AS PER CITY CODE SECTION ONE, EXCUSE ME, SECTION 16 DASH 2 36. THANK YOU. OUR FIRST CASE TODAY IS GONNA BE OH YEAH, I KNOW. UH, IT'S GONNA BE 1410 CLIA. BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT CASE, UH, WE HAVE ALL RECEIVED COPIES [ Approval of Minutes  ] OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING. CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS FRED ANIS. I MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS IS MR. MO, UH, MR. ANIS MOTION WAS TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS DRAFTED. DO I HAVE A SECOND, ROBERT? COPY. SECOND. MR. TAPIA. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. [00:05:01] THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. UH, SHE STAFF. YEAH, I I'VE GOT THAT. UM, IF WE COULD, LET'S [ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items  ] HAVE THE STAFF REPORT PLEASE. GOOD MORNING, BOARD MEMBERS. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JENNY RAMIREZ. I AM A CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER. I HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT WILL BE READING INTO THE RECORD THIS MORNING. IF I MAY PROCEED. YES, PLEASE. FIRST ITEM, EXCUSE ME, IS, UH, A HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT. THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 46 31 FORTUNA STREET IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE HAS VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO ALLOW THE CITY TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 59, SECTION FIVE. NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, AND IT WAS SIGNED, UH, INTO THE RECORD ON, UH, JANUARY 30TH, 2024. NEXT, UH, NEXT LIST OF ITEMS ARE EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS THAT DID OCCUR IN THE CITY. UH, FIRST ONE IS STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 1 27 CLOUD HAVEN IN COUNCIL. DISTRICT 10 WAS DEMOLISHED, UH, LET'S SEE, ON JANUARY THE 19TH OF 2024, DUE TO A FIRE WHICH OCCURRED ON JANUARY THE 16TH OF 2024. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 75, NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, AND THERE ARE BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS OF THAT STRUCTURE. NEXT ONE, NEXT STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 8 29 SOUTH SAN BERNARDO AVENUE WAS DEMOLISHED ON JANUARY 25TH, 2024 DUE TO A FIRE THAT DID OCCUR ON JANUARY THE 17TH OF 2024. THIS WAS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE, UH, PURSUANT TO, UH, PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 75. NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, AND THERE ARE BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS AS WELL. AND THE LAST ONE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 1511 EDWARDS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE WAS DEMOLISHED AS AN EMERGENCY ON JANUARY 25TH, 2024 DUE TO AN EXTENSIVE FIRE, WHICH OCCURRED ON JANUARY 23RD, 2024 PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 75. NO FURTHER ACTIONS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, AND THERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE BEFORE AND AFTER FOR THAT STRUCTURE AS WELL. UM, THAT DOES COMPLETE MY REPORT THIS MORNING, UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, JUST ONE FOR ME ON THE, THE CLOUD HAVEN HOME, I DID, DID HAVE A CHANCE TO DRIVE BY THAT. IT'S JUST WITHIN A MILE FROM MY HOME. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE, I DID, UH, RAISE A QUESTION LAST TIME ABOUT THE CLEANUP AFTER THEY DO A DEMOLISH OF, OF A HOME. UH, I HAVE TO SAY THEY DID A SPECTACULAR JOB HERE, REALLY, VERY NICELY CLEANED UP. LOTS OF, I HATS OFF TO THEM FOR DOING THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. WE'LL, WE'LL LET THE, UM, THE OFFICER KNOW WHO WAS OVERSEEING IT AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTOR WHO, WHO HOLDS THAT CONTRACT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. BOARD. AND NOW WE WILL PROCEED TO THE FIRST CASE AT 1410 KEN AVENUE. GOOD MORNING BOARD. GOOD MORNING FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS CRYSTAL TOWN DANGEROUS PREMISE OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THE STRUCTURES BEING PRESENTED TODAY ARE LOCATED AT 1 4 1 0 C AVENUE WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME 1 4 1 0 AVENUE IS BEING PRESENTED BEFORE THE BOARD. PLEASE NOTE ON AUGUST 8TH, 2023, A DANGEROUS ASSESSMENT RESPONSE TEAM INSPECTION WAS CONDUCTED. THE INSPECTION IS A COLLABORATED INSPECTION WITH A VARIETY OF CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT INCLUDED THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION IS NCB 1 0 0 1 4, NO BLOCK NUMBER, LOT SEVEN, LOCATED IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR. THE OWNER ON RECORD IS MENDOZA ANA E WITH A MAILING ADDRESS OF 1 4 1 0 C AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 4 SAN ANTONIO POLICE OFFICER GUILLEN, AND A FRIEND OF THE DECEASED OWNER, GRACIE LOPEZ, IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY. THE OWNER IS NOT PRESENT. DOES THE BOARD WISH TO CONTINUE? YES, WE DO. PLEASE. OKAY. [00:10:02] THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS CONFIRMED ON OCTOBER 30TH, 2023. 1 4 1 CLIA AVENUE IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. THE FIRST INSPECTION REGARDING 1 4 1 0 CLIA AVENUE WAS CONDUCTED ON AUGUST 7TH, 2023. ORIGINAL NOTICE WAS MAILED ON AUGUST 9TH, 2023 TO MENDOZA ON A-E-T-A-L, AND THE CERTIFIED RECEIPT WAS RETURNED WITH AN, AN ATTEMPTED UNKNOWN ON AUGUST 18TH, 2023 ON JANUARY 25TH, 2024. THE NOTICE FOR THE BSB HEARING WAS POSTED AT 1 4 1 0 CLIA AVENUE ON JANUARY 24TH, 2024. THE NOTICE FOR THE BSB HEARING WAS MAILED TO ANA MENDOZA, ETAL AND THE CERTIFIED RECEIPT WAS RETURNED, CLAIMED ON JANUARY 30TH, 2024. ON JANUARY 31ST, 2024, AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT WAS EXECUTED TO OBTAIN PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE STRUCTURE TO PRESENT BEFORE BSB. NO SCOPE OF WORK, PROOF OF FINANCIAL MEANS OR ENGINEER'S LETTER HAS BEEN PROVIDED. NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED. SO HERE IS A PLOT PLAN OF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS A MAIN STRUCTURE, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE REAR RIGHT THAT IS A STORAGE SHED. AND TO THE REAR LEFT, THERE IS AN RV CAMPER. HERE'S THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. THE ROOF COVERING IS WORN. THE FASCIA BOARDS FOR THE FRONT PORCH COVER IS MISSING. THE STRUCTURAL MEMBERS FOR THE FRONT PORCH ARE ROTTED ON THE BASE AND THE SIDING IS MISSING OR, UH, DETACHING ON THE MAIN. SO THE DECKING FOR THE FRONT PORCH IS ROTTED OR HAS HOLES. THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. THE, THERE ARE SOME TRANSIT SIDING THAT IS BROKEN. THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. AGAIN, THERE IS SITING THAT IS BROKEN AND THE FASCIA BOARD DOES LACK WEATHER PROTECTION. THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. AGAIN, THE SHINGLES OF THE ROOF SYSTEM ARE WORN. THE TRANSIT SITING IS BROKEN OR MISSING IN SOME AREAS, AND THE WOOD MEMBERS THAT ARE EXPOSED ARE ROTTED AND HAVE WATER DAMAGE. THIS IS GOING INTO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE STRUCTURE. THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF ITEMS THAT ARE EXTENSION CORDS BEING RAN. THERE IS SHEET ROCK THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH NEW SHEET ROCK AND NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED TO DO ANY WORK FOR THE PROPERTY. AND THERE IS A LARGE HOLE IN THE CEILING THAT WAS ATTEMPTED TO BE PATCHED. THE KITCHEN AREA AGAIN IS MISSING SHEET ROCK. UM, NO PERMITS AGAIN HAVE BEEN OBTAINED FOR THIS PROPERTY. THE, UH, WOOD MEMBERS THAT ARE EXPOSED DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT WATER DAMAGE. HERE'S ANOTHER ANGLE OF THE KITCHEN WHERE THE SHEET ROCK HAS BEEN REMOVED. ELECTRICAL WIRES ARE NOW EXPOSED. HERE IS A BEDROOM WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL IS STAYING. UM, IT, IT IS BLOCKING THE WINDOWS. UH, THE WINDOW TO THE RIGHT IS BOARDED UP, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT IN CASE OF A PANIC OR FIRE. THIS IS THE BATHROOM AREA. THERE IS A WATER LEAK. NOW THERE IS NO ACTUAL ACTIVE WATER HERE. IT WAS DISCONNECTED OCTOBER OF 2023. SO THEY ARE HAVING A WATER, UM, BUT THERE IS A WATER LEAK. AND THEN THERE'S A LAMP THAT'S ACTUALLY PLUGGED IN, WHICH WILL BE SHOWN IN ANOTHER PHOTO. SO HERE THEY'VE DONE SOME WORK, UH, PLUMBING WORK. THEY'VE MESSED AROUND WITH THE SINK, AND THEN THEY'RE USING, UM, WATER IN THE BATHTUB. HERE'S ANOTHER, UH, BEDROOM THAT SOMEONE IS STAYING IN. THE LIGHT FIXTURE IS HANGING FROM THE CEILING. SO HERE'S ANOTHER ANGLE TO SHOW WHERE THE LAMP IS PLUGGED IN FROM THE BATHROOM INTO THE HALLWAY NEAR THE LARGE WATER LEAK THAT IS OCCURRING. AND THE SHEET ROCK HAS BEEN REMOVED AGAIN WITHOUT ANY PERMITS OBTAINED FOR THE PROPERTY. SO THIS IS THE FIRST ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. IT WAS A MAKESHIFT STRUCTURE. UM, IT IS SITTING ON PALLETS. THE SIDING IS A MIXTURE OF, UH, WOOD PANELING PALLETS OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT THEY COULD GET A HOLD OF. SO THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE [00:15:01] MULTIPLE USES OF DIFFERENT, UM, MATERIALS, WHATEVER THEY COULD GET A HOLD OF. AND THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION AND RARE ELEVATION THEY'VE USED PALLETS, TARPS, AND ANY OTHER TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT THEY COULD FIGHT. THIS IS THE INTERIOR. IT'S JUST USED FOR STORAGE, UM, TO HOLD ITEMS IN TRASH. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SECOND ACCESSORY, WHICH IS AN RV CAMPER. THE TIRES HAVE SUNK DOWN INTO THE GRADE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ON THE PROPERTY FOR SO LONG AND IT IS BEING OCCUPIED BY AN INDIVIDUAL. SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION. THE SIDING IS RUSTED. SO HERE'S THE REAR AND RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. AGAIN, THE SIDING IS RUSTED. THE TIRES ARE SUNK INTO THE GROUND AND IT IS BEING UTILIZED. SO THIS IS GOING INTO THE CAMPER. UM, YOU CAN SEE SOMEONE IS STAYING HERE. THAT'S WHERE THEIR BED IS. AND THEY WERE USING A, UM, A, THE OVEN TO GET HEAT. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ANGLE. THEY DO HAVE A TV PLUGGED IN AND THEY JUST HAVE ITEMS STORED. THIS IS THE BACK PORTION. UM, THAT BUCKET IS ACTUALLY WHERE THEY'RE, UM, GOING TO THE BATHROOM. THIS IS THE DAY OF THE DART. THIS IS GOING INTO THE FRONT DOOR BACK IN AUGUST. SO THERE HAS BEEN DRASTIC CHANGE SINCE AUGUST. PHOTOS WERE TAKEN IN JANUARY. SHEET ROCK HAS BEEN REMOVED, FLOOR COVERING HAS BEEN TORN UP. THE KITCHEN AREA AGAIN, SHEET ROCK HAS BEEN REMOVED AND WORK HAS BEEN DONE. AGAIN, ALL WITHOUT PERMITS. THE DAY OF THE DART, THIS TRUCK WAS ACTUALLY FOUND TO BE STOLEN AND SAPD REMOVED IT FROM THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S JUST THE TRUCK BEING REMOVED. THE STRUCTURES LOCATED AT 1 4 1 0 CELIA AVENUE ARE IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER 6, 1 56. SUBSECTIONS 1, 2, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18 FOR THE MAIN 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18 FOR ACCESSORY NUMBER 1, 1 2, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18 FOR ACCESSORY TWO, WHICH ANY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE WHICH HAS ANY OR ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OR DEFECTS HEREINAFTER DESCRIBED SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE A DANGEROUS BUILDING AND A HAZARD TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. PROVIDED THAT SUCH CONDITIONS OF DEFECTS OF DILAPIDATION, SUBSTANDARD, OR UNFITNESS FOR HUMAN HABITATION POSE A THREAT OR POTENTIAL THREAT TO LIFE, HEALTH, PROPERTY, OR HUMAN SAFETY STAFF RECOMMENDS DEMOLITION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE ACCESSORY ONE, ACCESSORY TWO, AND FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE VACATED, SECURED, AND UTILITIES BE DISCONNECTED. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION OF 1 4 1 0 CELIA AVENUE. MS. BOARD, I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CODE OFFICER. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS FRED ANDIS. CAN YOU GO BACK TO, UH, SLIDE 90, I MEAN 89 ON THIS SLIDE HERE. IS THAT PART OF STRUCTURE ONE THAT PIECE IN THE BACK, OR ARE THEY CONNECTED OR ARE THEY SEPARATED? YES, IT'S CONNECTED. WHAT IS THAT PART? IS THAT A LITTLE TRAILER? IT'S JUST AN ADDITION. IT'S JUST AN ADDITION THAT THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO ADD. THIS ONE THEY WERE ADDING YES. FROM THAT LITTLE ONE BIG ONE? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM, . COOL. UH, REGARDING THE, THE MOBILE HOME, UH, ARE WE CON CONSIDERING THAT A, A PERMANENT STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT'S SUNK INTO THE GROUND? SO WE'RE GONNA CON CONSIDER IT A STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS BEING UTILIZED AS SHELTER FOR SOMEONE. THEY ARE LIVING IN IT. ARE THERE UTILITIES HOOKED UP? POWER AND WATER? THEY ARE RUNNING ELECTRICITY FROM THE MAIN TO THE CAMPER. JUST GETTING BACK TO THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. I, I, WE SAW THE, THE, THE, THE KITCHEN AND, AND THE, THE SINK. IT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD BEEN DISCONNECTED FROM THE SEWAGE SYSTEM. IS THAT'S STILL THE CASE? YES. OKAY. THIS IS ROBERT TAPIA. SO HOW LONG HAS THE CAMPER BEEN THERE? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT'S AT LEAST BEEN THERE SINCE, UM, AUGUST. PRIOR TO AUGUST. I CAN'T SPEAK ON HOW LONG THE CAMPER HAS BEEN THERE. SO ARE THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE A, A PERMIT? SO IT'S ACTUALLY AGAINST CITY ORDINANCE TO HAVE A [00:20:01] CAMPER. YOU CAN STORE A CAMPER ON YOUR PROPERTY, BUT YOU CANNOT ALLOW SOMEONE TO LIVE IN THE CAMPER AS A PERMANENT RESIDENCE. IT IS AGAINST CITY CODE. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OFFICER BRENDAN GILMAN, PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR STATION, PLEASE? YES, SIR. UH, GOOD MORNING BOARD. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS, UH, BRANDON GUILLEN. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. UH, I'M AM A CITY OF SAN ANTONIO POLICE OFFICER. I WORK AT SOUTH SAFE UNIT. UM, BEEN THERE FOR 12 YEARS NOW. I WOULD BE REPRESENTING OFFICER MENDEZ TODAY. UH, IT'S HIS FIRST TIME HERE, SO HE'S NEVER BEEN TO THE LOCATION. SO, UM, BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE HOUSE, SO I REMEMBER THE HOUSE COMING IN AS FAR AS OUR SAFE LINE. UH, SOMEBODY CALLING IN AND ASKING AS FAR AS, CAN YOU LOOK AT THIS ADDRESS? NOT KNOWING THAT OFFICER MENEZ WAS ALREADY AWARE OF THE HOUSE. UM, I SAID, I'LL GO TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT IT. UH, DRIVING THROUGH THE ALLEY, THEY TOLD ME, AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY SAYS, DRIVE THROUGH THE ALLEY, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, DRIVING THROUGH THE ALLEY. UH, SURE ENOUGH, UH, THERE WAS A, BACK BEFORE EIGHT, EIGHT OF 23 BEFORE THE DART INSPECTION, UH, IT WAS A CAMPSITE CITY IN THE BACK, UH, DEBRIS EVERYWHERE. UH, WHEN THEY SAW MY VEHICLE, EVERYBODY JUST KIND OF TUCKED, JUST HITTING THEIR CAMPSITES. UM, TALKED TO OFFICER MENDEZ, HE SAYS, YES, I'M WORKING ON IT WITH CODE OFFICERS ALREADY. UM, REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO JUST YET. WE'RE WORKING IT. IT WASN'T. BUT TWO WEEKS RIGHT AFTER THAT, OFFICER MENEZ WORKING HIS AREA, UM, RAN A LICENSE PLATE, GOT A STOLEN VEHICLE, WAS IN PURSUIT OF THE FOOT CHASE AFTER THEY STOPPED THE VEHICLE. AND SOMEHOW, UH, THAT FOOT CHASE ENDED UP AT THIS ADDRESS RIGHT HERE. UM, THE, UH, SUSPECT RAN STRAIGHT THROUGH THE HOUSE, UH, NO DOOR ON THE BACK DOOR AT THE TIME. AND, UH, SO WE ALL SEARCHED THE HOUSE. COULDN'T FIND THE GUY. WE EVENTUALLY FOUND THE GUY, BUT, UH, THAT WAS PART OF THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AT THE TIME, I GUESS THAT WAS TAKING PLACE THERE. AS FAR AS THE, THE STOLEN VEHICLES, AS YOU SAW ON THE DART INSPECTION, WE DID RECOVER A STOLEN VEHICLE. UM, SO SINCE THE DART INSPECTION, UH, BACK IN AUGUST OF 8, 8, 8 23, SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD 42 CALLS FOR SERVICE RUNNING FROM FAMILY DISTURBANCES, UH, ASSAULT AND PROGRESSES, UH, FAMILY DISTURBANCES WITH A GUN, UH, DISTURBANCES WITH A GUN. SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, LIKE I SAID, FROM AUGUST ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL NOW, THAT'S, UH, 42 CALLS THAT HAVE, HAVE COME FROM THAT LOCATION. UM, SO IT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN NEVER FIND OUT AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO. UH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, LIABILITY NOW TO THE OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE LOCATION. UH, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE LOCATION, UH, IN PROBABLY MAYBE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. SO LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S CLEANED UP. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ELECTRICAL, THE INSIDE, THE INTERIOR AND STUFF, WE'RE STILL GETTING THE CALLS, WE'RE STILL GETTING OFFICERS OVER THERE. IT'S AN OFFICER SAFETY THING TOO. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, WHAT I GOT TO SAY HERE. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE OFFICER? THIS IS FRED ANDIS. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR GUYS SERVICES. UH, PRIOR 2 23 MADE YOUR CALLS, ALL FELONY CALLS OR A VARIETY? UM, I JUST RAN IT FROM THE, FROM THE LOCATION FROM THE DART. UM, LEMME SEE. OKAY. NO, I, I WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO JANUARY THE 31ST. AND THEFT OF VEHICLES, MENTAL HEALTH DISTURBANCES, UH, ASSAULT IN PROGRESS. UM, PRETTY MUCH IT JUST THE ASSAULT PROGRESS, YOU KNOW, ASSAULT IN PROGRESSES. UM, AS FAR AS THE FELONIES, ARE THEY AG ASSAULTS OR WHATNOT? THAT DOESN'T TELL ME. I HAVE TO REALLY GO INTO DETAIL AND LOOK THROUGH EVERY, UH, CFS. AND WHEN YOU SAY CAMP, UM, IS THAT JUST PEOPLE IN THE MOTOR HOME AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING ONE, OR IS THAT EVEN THE PROPERTY? SO YOU HAD YOUR MAIN STRUCTURE AS THE, ON THE PICTURE. SO PRIOR TO THE DART INSPECTION, YOU HAD THE RV THAT WAS SITTING THERE, WHICH THERE WERE THE, I GUESS THE MOTHER WAS LIVING IN, UM, YOU HAD A TRUCK BED CAMPER THAT WAS BACK THERE AT THE TIME, WHICH THE SUN WAS LIVING OUT OF THAT ONE. AND THEN IN BETWEEN YOU HAD THE, OR I GUESS ON THE, ALONG THE FENCE LINE TO THE WEST, YOU HAD ANOTHER, WHICH THAT ONE PICTURE WHERE THEY HADN'T MADE THE ADDITION, THEY HAD THAT ONE. SO EVERYTHING RIGHT IN BETWEEN WAS JUST TENTS, ELECTRICAL CORDS, GOING FROM ALL THE, THE STRUCTURES. AND THEY WERE USING BLANKETS TO PUT OVER THAT. AND THEN THEY HAD THEIR CAMPSITES KIND OF SEPARATED IN BETWEEN THERE. THANK YOU. YES SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE OFFICER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GRACIE LOPEZ, PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR HOME ADDRESS PLEASE. [00:25:02] GOOD MORNING, BOARD. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS GRACIE LOPEZ. I LIVE AT 7 0 3 MENIFEE BOULEVARD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. UH, I CAME HERE TODAY BECAUSE I AM A DISABLED WOMAN. UH, FIXED INCOME. I GOT A LETTER STATING THAT I WAS THE OWNER AND THAT I WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE TO THE HOUSE. THE DAMAGES MY SISTER LILY, UH, LIVED THERE. AND, UM, I JUST DON'T WANNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING THAT I NEVER DONE. UM, I'M GLAD THAT TO HEAR THAT THE, UM, OFFICER SAID IT WAS ANA MENDOZA. ANA MENDOZA WAS A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE. SHE PASSED, UH, MANY YEARS AGO. UM, AND I'M SORRY ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FAMILY THERE. UM, I'VE NEVER BEEN IN TROUBLE. I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING. BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY I AM HERE, JUST TO LET Y'ALL KNOW, TO PLEASE NOT MAKE ME RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING. 'CAUSE I GOT A LETTER STATING THAT I WAS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE TO PAY. I CAN'T AFFORD THAT. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR THANK YOU CHAIR TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. THANK YOU, MS. BROWN. YOU HAVE A MOTION? UH, MAYBE , COULD YOU PUT THE, UH, JENNIFER, COULD YOU PUT THE NUMBERS BACK UP HERE? REMEMBER LAST WEEK I ASKED HER TO KEEP THE NUMBERS UP HERE. READ THEM FROM THERE. THE VIOLATION. THERE YOU GO. I FIND THAT I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1410 CALIA. MIKE, MIKE. MIKE. I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1410 CALIA IS A VIOLATION OF, UH, SECTION OF CHAPTER SIX SECTION, UM, SECTION, I'M SORRY, ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION 1 1 1 56. AND THE PROPERTY IS NOT FEASIBLE FOR REPAIR AND ORDER. A 30 DAY, UH, A 30 DAY DEMO. AND SUBSECTIONS ON THE HOUSE ARE SUB SEC SUBSECTIONS ON THE MAIN HOUSE WOULD BE 1, 2, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18. AND ON THE ACCESSORY 1, 1, 2, 5, 8, I'M SORRY, 7, 8, 11, 12 AND 15. AND ON ACCESSORY NUMBER 2, 1 2, 8, 1 2, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18 AND ORDER 30 DAY DEMO WITH ALL WIRES DISCONNECTED AND, UM, UH, AND, AND CLEANED OR SECURED. THANK YOU. CODE OFFICER HAD RECOMMENDED VACATE. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. UTILITIES. OKAY, VACATE THE, UH, EVERYBODY SHOULD VACATE THE PREMISES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALL UTILITIES. YEAH, I DID. I MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1410, KEN, UH, IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND IS NOT FEASIBLE BEING REPAIRED AT THIS TIME. IT IS IN VIOLATION OF CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION 1, 5 6, UH, SUB CODES FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE, 1, 2, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18 FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. NUMBER ONE, SUB CODES 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18. AND FOR THE, UH, ACCESSORY NUMBER TWO OF THE RV SUB CODES, 1, 2, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18, THAT THE PROPERTY IS TO BE DEMO IN 30 DAYS. THE PROPERTY IS TO BE SECURED, PROPERTY IS TO BE VACATED AND UTILITIES ARE TO BE DISCONNECTED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? ROBERT TAPIA. SECOND. MR. TAPIA SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL ON THE MOTION PLEASE. DU NELSON. AYE. FRED ANDES. AYE. MS. BROWN? AYE. JOELLE SOLIS [00:30:01] AYE. ROBERT THIA AYE. THOMAS FRANKS AYE. MOTION PASSES WITH THE VOTE OF SIX TO ZERO. THANK YOU. THE NEXT PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE 9 23 VANDER HOGAN. GOOD MORNING BOARD. GOOD MORNING FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS STEPHANIE SANCHEZ, DANGEROUS PREMISES OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THE STRUCTURE BEING PRESENTED TODAY IS LOCATED AT 9 23 VANDER HOVEN DRIVE WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX. THIS CASE IS THE FIRST TIME BEING HEARD BEFORE THIS BOARD. THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION IS NCB 9 1 15 0 BLOCK EIGHT, LOT 20, LOCATED WITHIN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 10. THE OWNER ON RECORD IS LAWRENCE C AND SANDRA KAY ROWLAND WITH A MAILING ADDRESS OF 6 0 1 0 4 SHADOW STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 0. ALL NOTICES OF HEARING WERE PROPERLY ISSUED AS REQUIRED. THE OWNER ON RECORD, SANDRA ROWLING IS PRESENT TODAY. DOES THE BOARD WISH TO PROCEED? THANK YOU. CONTACT HAS BEEN MADE BY PHONE WITH OWNER SANDRA ROWLING. THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS CONFIRMED ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 2023. THE PROPERTY IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. THE FIRST INSPECTION REGARDING 9 23 VANDER HOVEN DRIVE WAS CONDUCTED ON DECEMBER 13TH, 2022. THE ORIGINAL NOTICE WAS MAILED ON DECEMBER 14TH, 2022 AND THE CERTIFIED RECEIPT WAS DELIVERED DECEMBER 17TH, 2022 ON NOVEMBER 9TH, 2024. AND OUTREACH ATTEMPT TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE OWNER WAS MADE AT THE REGISTERED OWNER'S ADDRESS AT SIX 10 FOREST SHADOW ON JANUARY 24TH, 2024. THE NOTICE FOR BSB HEARING WAS POSTED TO THE PROPERTY AT 9 23 VANDER HOEN DRIVE ON JANUARY 24TH, 2024. THE NOTICE FOR THE BSB HEARING WAS MAILED TO THE OWNER AND THE CERTIFIED WAS RECEIPT WAS RETURNED ON FEBRUARY 1ST, 2024 ON JANUARY 9TH, 2024. AN IN , AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT WAS EX EXECUTED TO OBTAIN PHOTOS TO BE PRESENTED TODAY. AT THIS TIME, NO SCOPE OF WORK OR FINANCIAL PROOF OR LETTER OF CREDIT OR ENGINEERS REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED AS OF FEBRUARY 7TH, 2024. THERE ARE NO PERMITS ON FILE FOR 9 23 VAN DER HOEN DRIVE. FOR HERE WE HAVE THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM, THERE IS NOT MUCH TO SEE BECAUSE OF ALL THE VEGETATION THAT THERE IS. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS CONTINUING ON TO BE THE FRONT ELEVATION. UH, RIGHT PAST, THERE IS A LARGE HOLE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE MISSING SIDING THAT IS PRESENT. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A CLOSEUP OF THAT SECTION. THIS IS ACTUALLY A HOLE IN THE WALL DUE TO A LOT OF DETERIORATION AND WATER DAMAGE. UM, THAT PIECE OF PANEL THAT IS FALLING OUTWARD IS ACTUALLY A SECTION OF AN INTERIOR WALL THAT KIND OF TEES OFF OF THE EXTERIOR WALL. UM, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE OVERHANG HAS COMPLETELY, UM, COLLAPSED ON THAT SECTION. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A SIDE VIEW FROM THE LEFT ELEVATION WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE WALLS, THE WALL, AND UH, THE WOOD MEMBERS, UM, STARTING TO PULL FORWARD. AND THIS IS A SECTION OF THE OVERHANG. THE SOFFIT IS DETACHING. IT'S ROTTEN. THE FACIA BOARDS ARE ROTTING. YOU CAN SEE THE DECKING ABOVE THE OVERHANG IS NOT NON-EXISTENT IN SECTIONS. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS GONNA BE PART OF THE LEFT AND REAR ELEVATION. UM, THERE'LL BE A FUTURE SLIDE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ROOF IS BEING DETERIORATED. THIS IS A CLOSEUP. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ROOF IS SEVERELY WORN. AGAIN, THE OVERHANG HAS A MISSING DECKING. THE FASCIA BOARDS [00:35:01] ARE MISSING AND THE RAFTERS ARE ROTTED. THIS IS THE RIGHT AND REAR ELEVATION. AGAIN, THE OVERHANG IS SEVERELY DETERIORATED WITH THE DECKING AND SOFFITS COMPLETELY MISSING AND ROTTEN. THE FASCIA BOARDS ARE DETACHING. THIS WILL BE THE, THE RIGHT ELEVATION. YOU COULD SEE THE WORN ROOF AND MISSING SIDING. THIS IS ENTERING THE PROPERTY. THE INTERIOR IS SEVERELY, HEAVILY FILLED WITH DEBRIS. UM, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO STEP THROUGH. I WAS NOT ABLE TO GO THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STRUCTURE DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS THAT WAS INSIDE. THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE DOORWAY GOING PAST ONE OF THE ROOMS THAT I COULD NOT WALK OVER. AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS THE INTERIOR WALL THAT IS LEANING OUTWARD, UM, INTO THE, UH, THE FRONT ELEVATION. THIS IS GONNA BE THE RIGHT ELEVATION WALL. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS SUNLIGHT COMING THROUGH THIS THROUGH THE ROOF SYSTEM. THE WALL IS SEVERELY WATER DAMAGED. YOU COULD SEE VINES HAVE BEEN GROWING, UM, THROUGH THE INTERIOR. THIS IS A CLOSER VIEW OF WHAT THE ROOF LOOKS LIKE FROM THE INTERIOR. YOU CAN SEE THE SEVERELY DAMAGED DECKING WITH SEVERE WATER DAMAGE AND ROTTING AS WELL AS TO THE RAPTORS AND THE MISSING DRYWALL. THIS IS A CONTEXTUAL VIEW OF THE FRONT LIVING ROOM, UM, TO SHOW THE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS THAT HAS BEEN RANSACKED THROUGH, UM, FROM PEOPLE ENTERING THE PROPERTY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS GONNA BE AN INTERIOR WALL TO THE LEFT VIEW OF THAT ROOM. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE WATER DAMAGE TO THE DRYWALL AS WELL AS THE EXPOSED, UH, WATER DAMAGE CEILING JOIST. AND THIS IS ANOTHER, UH, VIEW OF SOME OF THE DEBRIS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. UM, IT WAS NOT EASY TO GET THROUGH. UM, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF FIRE DAMAGE, UM, ALONG THE TRIM OF THE DOOR AS WELL. UM, AT SOME POINT THERE WAS A FIRE THAT OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY. THE DATE IS, THE SPECIFIC DATE IS UNKNOWN. UM, I TRY TO GET IN CONTACT WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY ONLY COULD GO BACK UP TO TWO YEARS. AND FROM SPEAKING WITH, UM, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY STATED THAT THE FIRE OCCURRED APPROXIMATELY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO. SO THIS IS THE EXTERIOR CORNER WHERE THE REAR, WHERE THE REAR AND RIGHT ELEVATION KIND OF LS IN THE BACK. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SEE THE DR THE DECKING IS MISSING. YOU HAVE THE SUNLIGHT, WHICH IS ALLOWING FOR THE ELEMENTS AND WILDLIFE TO ENTER. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ALL THE WOOD MEMBERS ARE SEVERELY WATER DAMAGED. AND HERE THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE LEFT ELEVATION REAR. UM, THE CEILING DRYWALL IS DETACHING. THAT PART RIGHT THERE THAT IS FALLING ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE TRIM FROM THE WINDOWS THAT ARE FALLING OVER IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SEVERELY WATER DAMAGED WALLS. AND, UM, DAMAGE TO THE CEILING AND ROOF SYSTEM. THIS IS A SINGLE STORY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE CONSISTING OF A CONCRETE SLAB FOUNDATION WITH WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION, WITH FIBER CEMENT SIDING. AND A CROSSED HIP ROOF SYSTEM WAS WITH ASPHALT ROLL AND SHINGLES SHINGLE COVERING. THE ROOF SYSTEM IS IN SEVERE DILAPIDATION WITH HOLES DAMAGE TO THE OVERHANG DECKING AND COVERING THE ELEMENTS IN WILDLIFE HAVE ENTERED THE STRUCTURE CAUSING CONTINUOUS DETERIORATION TO THE ROOF AND WALLS. THE FRONT ELEVATION WALL HAS A LARGE HOLE EXPOSING INTERIOR AND AN INTERIOR WALL THAT HAS COLLAPSED. THE SIDING IS DAMAGED AND MISSING IN MULTIPLE ELEVATIONS. THE INTERIOR HAS A LARGE ACCUMULATION OF DEBRIS THROUGHOUT WITH A CONCERN FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS. THE INTERIOR WALLS HAVE WATER AND FIRE DAMAGE, WALL AND CEILING DRY WALL IS MISSING AND DAMAGED ON ALL WALLS. TO RECAP THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 9 23 VANDER HOVEN DRIVE IS IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 56. SUBSECTIONS 1 2 4 5 7 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18, IN WHICH ANY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE, WHICH HAS ANY OR ALL CONDITIONS OR DEFECTS HERE ON AFTER DESCRIBED, SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE A DANGEROUS BUILDING, A HAZARD TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. PROVIDED THAT SUCH CONDITIONS OF DEFECTS OF DILAPIDATION, SUBSTANDARD, OR UNFITNESS FOR HUMAN HABITATION POSE A THREAT OR POTENTIAL THREAT TO [00:40:01] LIFE, HEALTH, PROPERTY, OR HUMAN SAFETY STAFF RECOMMENDS DEMOLITION. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION OF 9 23 VANDER HOEVEN DRY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CODE OFFICER? YES, THERE'S ROBERT CHOP. GO AHEAD. UH, IN, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, DEMOLITION, DOES THAT INCLUDE, UH, LANDSCAPING, CLEAR OUT VEGETATION, UH, YOU OR DO WE NEED A SEPARATE ORDER? UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE AND I MAY DO IT. JUST . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE CALLED OFFICER JOEL? I DO AS WELL. UH, THIS IS JOEL . ARE THE UTILITIES STILL CONNECTED TO THIS HOME? THERE STILL IS. UM, THEY DO STILL HAVE THE METER AS, AS WELL AT THE WATER. UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING IS, UM, ACTIVE AT THE MOMENT. ANY OTHERS? YOU DID MENTION THERE ARE ANIMALS AND IT LOOKS LIKE PEOPLE STILL MOVING THROUGH THE, THE HOUSE. UH, CORRECT. FROM MY LAST INSPECTION, UM, IN JANUARY, UM, THE FRONT DOOR WAS KICKED OPEN. UM, WE DO HAVE A PENDING WORK ORDER TO GET THAT SECURED. UM, BUT THE OWNER HAS HAS ALSO STATED THAT SHE HAS WAS GONNA TRY TO GET A CONTRACTOR OUT THERE TO GET IT SECURED AS WELL. AND NOT ONLY THE FRONT DOOR, BUT I I THOUGHT THE WINDOWS WERE ALSO EXPOSED. YES SIR. IT WOULD BE EVERY OPENING WOULD BE SECURED. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THIS IS TO COUNSEL. UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, REQUEST AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY, MR. CHAIR, IF WE COULD, UM, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ATTORNEY. CLIENT MATTERS PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 5 1 0.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. THE TIME IS NOW 10 0 2 ON EIGHT FEBRUARY, 2024. AND THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD WILL NOW RECONVENE AN OPEN SECTION. NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. UH, THERE'S QUESTIONS OR IS THERE A QUESTION OF THE CODE OFFICER, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. MS. SANCHEZ. LOOKING AT THIS, THE CODE HAS HAD IT SINCE 2022 AND IT'S JUST NOW BEING BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD. WHY, WHAT WAS THE STEPS AND HOW DID IT TAKE SO LONG TO GET IN FRONT OF THE BOARD? SO THE OWNER IS LOCAL. UM, SHE WAS WORKING TO OBTAIN BIDS, UM, TO GET BIDS FOR A DEMOLITION. UM, I, I DID LOSE HER NUMBER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, SO I DID MAKE AN OUTREACH TO HER PROPERTY, UM, BECAUSE SHE WAS WORKING ON GETTING BIDS TO HAVE THE STRUCTURE DEMOLISHED. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, JUST A QUICK ONE. IS THIS A DART RELATED PROPERTY AS WELL? NO, IT'S NOT. AND FINAL CALL FOR QUESTIONS. I GOT ONE. GO AHEAD. THIS IS FRED ANDERS. WELCOME. SEE IN FRONT OF US? NO SIR. THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY ABATEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY DONE BY THE MR. CHAIR. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA STOP US JUST REAL QUICK. MR. ANDERS. I I I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WHILE I HEARD YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR MICROPHONE WAS ON, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, IT IS WORKING. WE ARE RECORDING THIS. OKAY. UM, I'LL REPEAT IT. BASED OFF THE HISTORY OF WHAT WE SEE IN THE PHOTOS AND THE CASE PRESENTED BEFORE US, WAS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, ABATEMENTS DONE TO THE PROPERTY BY THE GRASS AND THE, UH, OTHER ISSUES THERE? AT THIS TIME, THE CITY HAS NOT ABATED THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SANDRA. I'M GONNA MISPRONOUNCE THE LAST NAME AND THEN I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT UPFRONT. UH, SANDRA ALION, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR HOME ADDRESS PLEASE. SO, GOOD MORNING, BARD. MY NAME IS SANDRA RELINE. MY ADDRESS IS 6 0 1 0 FOREST SHADOW SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 0. THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND YOUR TESTIMONY, PLEASE. I JUST HAVE A, A STATEMENT, UM, REGARDING THE PROPERTY. UH, I'M HERE REGARDING THE REVIEW OF THE ABOVE STATED PROPERTY. AS YOU'VE ALREADY DETERMINED BY YOUR ASSESSMENT AND EXAMINATION OF THE PROPERTY, [00:45:01] THE HOUSE MUST BE DEMOLISHED AS OWNERS OF THE HOUSE, MY HUSBAND AND I, WE AGREE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND ASK THAT YOUR EXHIBITS AND PICTURES BE ENTERED INTO THE FILE ON THIS PROPERTY. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN NEGOTIATION WITH A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR TO PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDED SERVICE OF DEMOLITION. WE ASK THAT YOU ALLOW US TO FINISH SECURING THIS AGREEMENT, HAVE THEM FILE FOR NECESSARY PERMITS AS ORDERED BY THIS BOARD. THERE WERE TWO ITEMS LISTED ON THE ASSESSMENT THAT INDICATE NO WATER OR ELECTRICAL SERVICE IS PROVIDED TO THE ADDRESS. BOTH UTILITIES ARE STILL IN EFFECT, ARE UP TO DATE ON PAYMENT FOR MONTHLY UTILITIES AND THEY ARE SECURED, UH, THE, UH, ELECTRICAL BOX ON THE BACK IS, UH, PADLOCKED SO THAT IT COULD NOT BE ACCESSED AND THERE IS A CUTOFF VALVE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. UH, YOU'D HAVE TO KNOW WHERE IT IS TO BE ABLE TO TURN THE WATER ON. SO IT IS STILL ACTIVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY WOULD HAVE ABILITY TO UTILIZE IT EXCEPT US AS OWNERS. AND I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE ALLOW US TO PROCEED TO RECTIFY THIS ISSUE AND COMPLY WITH THE CITY CODE OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THAT'S SIGNED BY MYSELF, SANDRA RELINE AND MY HUSBAND LAWRENCE RECLINE. AND I HAVE THAT. AND HOW MUCH TIME ARE YOU REQUESTING, MA'AM? UH, I STILL NEED TO GET A FINALIZED CONTRACT WITH THE PRIVATE CONTRACTOR. I'M ASSUMING THAT MAY POTENTIALLY HAPPEN NEXT WEEK. UH, AND THEN HE HAS HISTORY OF WORKING WITH THE CITY SO HE KNOWS ABOUT PULLING PERMITS AND SO FORTH. WE DO STILL NEED TO WORK ON GETTING THE, UH, UTILITIES DISCONNECTED FOR HIM TO PROCEED WITH HIS WORK. UH, I I'M NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH TIME TO ASK FOR. YOU HAVE UNLIMITED TIME . I, I JUST, I, I'M, I'M APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THIS PROPERTY AND I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF IT. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. ROBERT TAPPY. SO NOBODY'S LIVING IN THERE NOW? NO, NO ONE HAS LIVED IN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. IT WAS BEING MAINTAINED BETTER THAN OBVIOUSLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW? UH, AFTER THE FIRE HAD, UH, HAPPENED, BUT WHAT THE FIRE CAUSED US TO, UH, VACATE THE PREMISES AND WE HAD JUST BEEN MAINTAINING, UM, THE GROUNDS AS BEST WE COULD AND, AND MAKING REPAIRS AS WERE NEEDED. THIS IS THOMAS FRANKS. SO YOU'VE HAD OVER A YEAR TO GET QUOTES AND YOU STILL DON'T HAVE ANY QUOTES. WHAT I I RECEIVED TWO QUOTES FROM, UH, OTHER CONTRACTORS, BUT I DID NOT PARTICULARLY, UH, AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE SUGGESTING. AND THEN, UH, MY HUSBAND HAS BEEN ILL AND WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PROCEED WITH SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT WERE REALLY NECESSARY ON THIS PROPERTY. AND THEN IT BECAME, UH, ACTIVE AGAIN WHEN, UH, OFFICER SANCHEZ CONTACTED ME AND SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HER SINCE THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. THIS IS FRED ANDES. IT, UH, STATED IN THE NOTES THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT A WHOLE HARMLESS AGREEMENT. WHAT HAPPENED? UM, I DECIDED NOT TO PROCEED WITH THAT. I DECIDED TO PROCEED WITH ON MY OWN ACCORD. THANK YOU, JOEL. I WAS JUST GONNA ASK ABOUT THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. YOU'VE BEEN TAKING CARE OF THE, OF THE MOWING AND, AND CLEANING OUT THE CLUTTER OUT THE FRONT IN THE BACKYARD. I, I HAVE, UH, AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE DUMP THEIR THINGS THERE THAT WERE NOT FROM THE PROPERTY ORIGINALLY. SOME OF THEM WERE TOO LARGE FOR ME TO MOVE MYSELF. UM, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE STILL ON THE PROPERTY AND NEED TO BE REMOVED. THERE'S SOME CUT, UH, TREE LIMBS AND THERE WAS A LARGE PORTION OF A TREE THAT, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT IT LANDED ON THE FRONT, UH, PORTION OF THE, UM, YARD. BUT YES, WE HAD BEEN CARING FOR, UH, CUTTING AS WE COULD. THANK YOU. AND HOW LONG BACK DID YOU ACTUALLY VACATE THE HOUSE? WHEN DID YOU LEAVE? APPROXIMATELY 2002. AND NO ONE'S BEEN IN THE, THE PROPERTY SINCE 2002. NO ONE HAS, HAS OCCUPIED THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE PAID TAXES ON IT AS REQUIRED. WE'VE KEPT UP WITH THE UTILITIES ALL THIS TIME BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE THERE DOING WORK ON THE PROPERTY, WE NEEDED TO HAVE ACCESS TO WATER AND ELECTRICITY AND THAT'S THE REASON WE KEPT IT ACTIVE. FOLLOW THAT UP. YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S REALLY UNIQUELY SITUATED. IT, IT'S SET BACK FROM THE ROAD 'CAUSE OF THE, AN ISLAND. AND I COULD SEE WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG FOR THIS PROPERTY TO COME, UH, BEFORE [00:50:01] US. IT DEFINITELY, THE PICTURES DON'T SHOW THAT IT'S BEEN ONLY THREE YEARS THAT IT'S, IT'S BEEN OPEN. IT'S, THAT HOUSE IS PRETTY WELL GONE AND, MM-HMM. , I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. THE, THE OTHER I SEE IS THAT THE ACCESS THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE ENTRYWAYS TO THE ALLEYWAY TO GET TO THAT PROPERTY. AND GIVEN THAT THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S IN, SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A PROBLEM. DO YOU HAVE FENCING IN THE BACK OF THAT YARD AS WELL? THERE IS FENCING, YES. ON THE, ON THE ALLEY SIDE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH MA'AM. YOU MAY BE SEATED. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. TINA LARSON, PLEASE IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR HOME ADDRESS, MA'AM. TINA STAR LARSON, 1831 LASAM DRIVE. THANK YOU MA'AM. AND YOUR TESTIMONY PLEASE. THIS IS A LONG AWAITED ACTION ON THIS PROPERTY. MY PARENTS BUILT OUR HOUSE ON LASAM IN 1959 AND I RESIDE THERE STILL. SO 60 YEARS I'VE BEEN RESIDING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. MY HOUSE IS RIGHT BEHIND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND WE SHARE THE BACK ALLEY WITH THEM. VANDER HOVEN HAD A HOUSE FIRE OVER 20 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS, NOT TWO OR THREE LIKE THE OFFICER SAID. IT HAS BEEN VACANT EVER SINCE. IT HAS BEEN A LONG-TERM SAFETY HAZARD AND NEIGHBORHOOD HEADACHE. SADLY, THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST SIX OTHER FIRES IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA OVER 60 YEARS. MY OWN HOME INCLUDED AROUND 1961, BUT ALL OTHER HOMEOWNERS HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE NEIGHBORS BY CLEANING UP AND REPAIRING THE DAMAGE IMMEDIATELY. NOT SO WITH THE REG LINES. THEY HAVE TOLD NEIGHBORS FOR 20 YEARS THEY WOULD REBUILD WITH ONE EXCUSE AFTER ANOTHER, BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED. THEY BARELY KEEP THE FRONT YARD UNDER CONTROL, BUT THE BACKYARD IS A JUNGLE AND THE ALLEY AS BAD NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING MYSELF, HAVE OFFERED TO BUY THE PROPERTY AS IS SEVERAL TIMES, BUT THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED. WHEN I HEARD OF THIS HEARING, I PREPARED A PETITION IN FAVOR OF THE FORCED DEMOLITION. I CONCENTRATED ON SPEAKING TO OWNERS CLOSEST TO AND CIRCLING THIS PROPERTY. I GOT 24 SIGNATURES AND COULD HAVE GOTTEN MANY MORE IF I'D HAD MORE TIME. 'CAUSE ANYBODY THAT LOOKS AT THIS HOUSE KNOWS THAT IT HAS ZERO REDEEMABLE VALUE. IF YOU REVIEWED 3 1 1 CALLS ON THIS HOUSE OVER THE MANY YEARS, YOU WOULD SEE A LONG LIST OF COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS. CODE COMPLIANCE YEARS AGO DID REQUIRE THE DEMOLITION OF A SHED IN THE BACK THAT WAS FALLING APART AND KIDS WERE HANGING OUT THERE. THE OWNER WAS ALSO FORCED TO HAUL OFF A NON-LICENSED NON-RUNNING VEHICLE, SITTING IN THE DRIVE AND MANY CITATIONS FOR THEIR YARD. HOWEVER, OVER RECENT YEARS, MY CALLS TRIED TO CONCENTRATE ON HAVING THEM LOOK AT THE HOUSE THAT IT WAS VACANT, UNINHABITABLE, FIRE DAMAGED, CAVING IN MOLD INFESTED WATER DAMAGED AND MORE, BUT STILL CODE COMPLIANCE ONLY FOCUSED ON THE YARD NOT UNTIL NOW OR RECENT. WHO CARES ABOUT THE YARD UPKEEP WHEN A HOUSE IS IN DECAY, UNSALVAGEABLE AND ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE TO KIDS AND CRIMINALS AND A DETRIMENT TO A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. RECENTLY THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN FALLING DOWN IN FRONT OF OUR EYES WITH THE PORCH CAVING, INSIDING FALLING OFF FASCIA GONE ROOF, TERRIBLE BOARDED UP YARD, BACKYARD A MESS. BARRELS OF OIL OR HAZARDOUS MATERIAL HAVE BEEN SEEN ON THIS PROPERTY AND MANY BOTTLES OF ANTIFREEZE SITTING ON THE GROUND IN THE BACKYARD DETERIORATING. WE WOULD HOPE THAT AS PART OF THE DEMOLITION, THE YARD WOULD BE CLEANED UP OF DEBRIS AND TOXIC MATERIAL. THIS HOUSE WOULD BE A DISGRACE IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IN ALAMO HEIGHTS WITH $500,000, $2 MILLION PROPERTIES NEARBY, IT IS ESPECIALLY SHAMEFUL. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LEGAL. I I MEAN, NO DISRESPECT, BUT THAT WE ARE PAST THE THREE MINUTES. I I'VE WAITED 20 YEARS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. NOW CAN YOU GIMME JUST TIME TO FINISH? I CANNOT, I CANNOT MA'AM. IT'S THREE MINUTES. OKAY. JUST LIKE THE SAME WITH EVERYONE ELSE. OKAY. WE, THIS IS A MESS AND HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. THANK YOU. MS. LARSON. CAROL POTTER, PLEASE MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR HOME ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS CAROL POTTER AND I LIVE AT 1 1 1 CALUME PLACE. UM, I'M ABOUT FOUR HOUSES DOWN ON THE, UH, WHERE THE CUL-DE-SAC IS. I I FACE IT KIND OF, UM, THERE IS A DANGER. IT'S, THE FIRE WAS PROBABLY 2002. UM, [00:55:03] AND THE LAST STRAW FOR ME WAS THE 15 COP CARS THAT WERE THERE. UM, THAT WAS ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO, AND AFTER THAT, ANOTHER SEVEN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT IT AFFECTS OUR, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THEY HAVE CHILDREN, SMALL CHILDREN. UM, THE NEIGHBOR ON THE CORNER, CAROL, ANOTHER CAROL, UH, SHE HEARS PEOPLE AT NIGHT USING HER WATER, UH, WALKING AROUND IN HER BACKYARD. UM, SO WE, WE'VE LIVED WITH IT FOR, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1994. I'VE HAD MY HOUSE SINCE 1994. SO IT, IT'S NEVER BEEN, THAT HOUSE HAS NEVER BEEN UP TO CODE. UM, BEFORE IT CAUGHT ON FIRE, THE ROOF WAS EXPOSED AND IT HAD A ROOF ROLL, UM, MATERIAL ON TOP. AND THEN WHEN IT CAUGHT ON FIRE, THEY ABANDONED THE HOUSE. BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN UP TO CODE IN THE SINCE 94. SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IT DEMOLISHED. ANY QUESTIONS MS. POTTER? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. MAY I GIVE MY TIME BACK TO THE LADY? NO MA'AM, I'M SORRY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A LETTER TO READ INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE. OKAY. THIS IS FROM THE OAK PARK NORTHWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, RECEIVED FEBRUARY 6TH. DEAR JILL AND THE MEMBERS OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, THE OAK PARK NORTHWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, APPRE YOUR APPRECIATES YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE GRATEFUL YOU ARE HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING ON A DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE. LOCATED AT 9 23 VAN DER HOVEN DRIVE. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO FIND THE PROPERTY DOES CONSTITUTE A PUBLIC NUISANCE IN NEED OF ABATEMENT. FOR 20 YEARS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HELD ITS BREATH, HELPING THE POVERTY, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD DO THE RIGHT THING AND TEAR DOWN THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURE. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED. WE BELIEVE THE STRUCTURE IS A SAFETY HAZARD AND DANGER TO THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED IMMEDIATELY. SINCERELY, GINA GISE ISENBERG, PRESIDENT OF THE OAK PARK, NORTHWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THANK YOU. CHAIR, WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT NINE, I'M SORRY, CHAIR. I'M SORRY. UM, I DO HAVE A PETITION TO SHOW THAT, UH, MS. TINA LARSON SPOKE OF. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE THAT PLEASE. AND HERE'S THE PETITION. IT READS, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN BELOW IN FAVOR OF DEMOLITION OF THIS HOME. THERE WAS A FIRE AT THIS LOCATION OVER 20 YEARS AGO, AND THE HOUSE HAS BEEN VACANT WITH NO ELECTRICITY SINCE THEN. THE OWNERS PROMISED MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS TO REBUILD, BUT INSTEAD JUST USE IT AS A DUMP STORAGE SITE FOR OLD CARDS AND OTHER JUNK. SEVERAL OF US HAVE OFFERED TO BUY THE PROPERTY AS IS, BUT THEY WOULDN'T SELL IT. THEY BARELY KEEP THE FRONT YARD MOWED AND TRIMMED AND PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE BACKYARD NOR ALLEY. THE HOUSE IS INHABITABLE FILLED WITH MOLD, SMOKE, WATER DAMAGE, AND WILDLIFE BOARDS HAVE LAID ON THE ROOF FOR YEARS TO HOLD IT DOWN, PLUS OTHER BOARDED UP AREAS. BUT NOW THE FRONT PORCH IS CAVING IN AND THE SIDING IS FALLING OFF ALL AROUND THE FRONT OF THIS STRUCTURE. IT IS TRULY A NUISANCE SAFETY HAZARD EYESORE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THE OWNER TO DO THIS SOMETHING FOR OVER 20 YEARS. WE REQUEST THE CITY MANDATE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING. WE ALSO REQUEST THE OWNER BE FORCED TO EXTERMINATE THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO DEMOLITION AT IS AS IT HAS BECOME A HABITAT FOR RATS, SNAKES, RACCOONS, POSSUMS, AND OTHER CRITTERS. AND SHE ALSO PROVIDED SOME PHOTOS. THANK YOU. DID THAT COMPLETE ALL OF 'EM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CHAIR. WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 9 23 VANDER HOEN. I HAVE A MOTION, MS. BROWN? YES. UH, I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT, UH, 9 23 VANDER HOPE 9 23. MS. BROWN? YES. CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC? I'M SORRY. IS THAT BETTER? YOU CAN USE THIS MICROPHONE. OH YES. YOU DIDN'T USE THIS ONE. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S, [01:00:03] YOU HEAR ME? UH, NO. WE STILL CANNOT. CAN YOU HEAR ME MR. CHAIR? I WILL DO THE MOTION FOR MS. BROWN. WHAT I LET THOMAS MAKE IT OR YOU WANT? OKAY. SO, UH, THE PROPERTY, I FIND THAT, THAT MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT NINE THREE NOT FEASIBLE FOR REPAIR AND ORDER A 30 DAY DEMO UNDER SUBSECTIONS. UM, 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18 ORDER 30 DAY DEMO, ALL UTILITIES CUT AND, UM, VACATE THE PREMISES IF ANYONE IS LIVING THERE AND SECURE THE PROPERTY. THE MOTION IS THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 9 23 VANDER HELVIN IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND NOT FEASIBLE, BUT BEING REPAIRED AT THIS TIME AND IS IN VIOLATION OF CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION 1 5 6 SUB CODES 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, AND 18, THAT THE PROPERTY IS TO BE VACATED TO BE SECURED, UH, UTILITIES TO BE DISCONNECTED AND THE BUILDING IS TO BE DEMOLISHED IN 30 DAYS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THOMAS SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE ON THE MOTION. DWAYNE NELSON. AYE. BRETT ANDIS. AYE. MS. BROWN? AYE. JOEL SOLI. AYE. ROBERT THIA AYE. THOMAS FRANKS AYE. MOTION PASSES WITH, WITH A VOTE OF SIX TO ZERO. THANK YOU. STAFF IS, ARE ALL THE PARTIES PRESENT FOR 10 30 BASSEY ROAD, YET? I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. WE, UM, IF WE COULD TAKE A BREAK, WE COULD. UM, I'LL LET, UH, MS. CRUM FIND OUT ALL THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE TIME IS NOW 10 22. THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD ON EIGHT FEBRUARY, 2024 STANDS IN RECESS, UH, FOR APPROXIMATELY 10 MINUTES. THE TIME IS NOW 10 39 AND A HALF 10 40, UH, AND THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD FOR EIGHT FEBRUARY, 2024. WE WILL RECONVENE FROM RECESS. UH, SO WE WILL HEAR THE CITY PRESENT THE CASE FOR 10 30 BASSEY ROAD. BE BEFORE YOU BEGIN. UH, WE'VE MADE ARRANGEMENTS FOR A SPECIAL LANGUAGE INTERPRETER. AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE WILL BE PROCEEDING RATHER SLOWLY AND THE INTERPRETER CAN INTERRUPT THE CHAIR AT ANY TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN SAID. UH, SO IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE AN INTERRUPTION, WHO IS THE ACTUAL INTERPRETER? IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR HAND, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU NEED TO, UH, INTERRUPT OR TO UNDER, GET ANY CLARIFICATION ON ANYTHING THAT IS BEING SAID. UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. YOU WILL ASK YOUR QUESTIONS IN REAL SHORT PHRASES AND GO SLOWLY. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, AND IT'S UP TO YOU. GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THE CASE. GOOD MORNING. BSB MEMBERS. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS RAMIRO GUERRA, CODE ENFORCEMENT SUPERVISOR FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THE PROPERTY BEING PRESENTED TODAY IS LOCATED AT 10 30 PASSEY ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. TODAY IS A, THIS CASE IS UP FOR APPEAL. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS APPEALING IF PROPER NOTIFICATION IS ISSUED. WAS ISSUED. THE OWNER ON RECORD IS TOY AND ANN LOUIE WITH A MAILING ADDRESS OF 10 30 BASSEY ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR 10 30 BASSEY ROAD IS NCB 7 2 5 3 BLOCK ONE LOT SOUTH [01:05:01] PARTS OF 17 THROUGH 24 LOCATED IN CITY COUNCIL. DISTRICT ONE ZONED C TWO. THE INSPECTION WAS CONDUCTED ON JANUARY 16TH, 2024 WITH A NOTICE OF VIOLATION ISSUED IN PERSON TO VIVIAN LOUIE AND SIGNED FOR THE INSPECTION. IDENTIFIED MULTIPLE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MA MAINTENANCE VIOLATIONS THAT INCLUDE 3 0 2 0.1 EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE. ALL EXTERIOR PROPERTY AND PREMISES SHALL BE MAINTAINED IN A CLEAN, SAFE, SANITARY CONDITION AND FREE OF OUTSIDE PLACEMENT, HAZARDOUS VEGETATION OR SURFACE HAZARDS. THE OCCUPANT SHALL KEEP THE PART OF THE EXTERIOR PROPERTY, WHICH IS SUCH OCCUPANT OCCUPIES OR CONTROLS IN A CLEAN AND SANITARY CONDITION. 3 0 5 0.3 INTERIOR SURFACES. ALL INTERIOR SURFACES, INCLUDING WINDOWS AND DOORS, SHALL BE MAINTAINED IN GOOD REPAIR, CLEAN AND SANITARY CONDITION. LOOSE PLASTER, DECAYED WOOD, AND OTHER DEFECTIVE SERVICES CONDITIONS SHALL BE CORRECTED. 3 0 9 0.1 INFESTATION. ALL STRUCTURES SHALL BE KEPT FREE FROM INSECT AND RODENT INFESTATION. ALL STRUCTURES IN WHICH INSECTS OR RODENTS ARE FOUND SHALL BE PROMPTLY EXTERMINATED BY AN APPROVED PROCESS THAT WILL NOT BE INJURIOUS TO HUMAN HEALTH AFTER EXTERMINATION. PROPER PRECAUTIONS SHALL BE TAKEN TO PREVENT REINFESTATION 5 0 4 0.3 PLUMBING SYSTEM HAZARDS. OR IT IS FOUND THAT A PLUMBING SYSTEM IN A STRUCTURE CONSTITUTES A HAZARD TO THE OCCUPANT, OCCUPANTS OR THE STRUCTURE BY REASON OF INADEQUATE SERVICE. INADEQUATE VENTING, CROSS CONNECTION, BACKAGE, IMPROPER INSTALLATION, DETERIORATION OR DAMAGE FOR SIMILAR REASONS. THE CODE OFFICIAL SHALL REQUIRE THE DEFECTS TO BE CORRECTED TO ELIMINATE THE HAZARD. 6 0 4 0.3 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM HAZARDS WHERE IT IS FOUND THAT THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IN A STRUCTURE CONSTITUTES A HAZARD TO THE OCCUPANTS OR THE STRUCTURE BY REASON OF INADEQUATE SERVICE. IMPROPER FUSING, INSUFFICIENT RECEPTACLE AND LIGHTING OUTLETS, IMPROPER WIRING OR INSTALLATION DETERIORATION OR DAMAGE, OR FOR SIMILAR REASONS. THE CODE OFFICIAL SHALL REQUIRE THE DEFECTS TO BE CORRECTED TO ELIMINATE THE HAZARD. 7 0 2 0.1 MEANS OF EGRESS, A SAFE, CONTINUOUS, AND UNOBSTRUCTED PATH OF TRAVEL SHALL BE PROVIDED FROM ANY POINT IN A BUILDING OR STRUCTURED TO THE PUBLIC WAY. MEANS OF EGRESS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT NOTICE WAS PROPERLY ISSUED, BE UPHELD AS ISSUED FOR SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY. AND ITS CODE SUBSECTIONS 3 0 2 0.1. EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE, 3 0 5 0.3 INTERIOR SERVICES, THREE OH 0.91 INFESTATION. 5 0 4 0.3. PLUMBING SYSTEM HAZARDS. 6 0 4 0.3. ELECTRICAL SYSTEM HAZARDS. 7 0 2 0.1 MEANS OF EGRESS. [01:10:01] AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION FOR 1 0 3 0 BASSEY ROAD. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CODE OFFICER? NO. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU MAY BE SEATED. THANK YOU. THE FIRST PERSON ON OUR SHEET IS PAUL BURGESS. MR. BURGESS, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE, SIR. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS PAUL BURGESS. UH, THE ADDRESS IS 2 10 22 GATHERING OAK, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 6 0. I REPRESENT FOREVER PETS THE BUSINESS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS INDIVIDUALLY. WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT AGAIN? BUSINESS FOREVER. PETS FOREVER. YES. THANK YOU. PROCEED IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, SIR. THANK YOU. WE'RE HERE TO APPEAL BOTH THE METHOD OF SERVICE ON SOME OF THE VIOLATIONS, BUT ALSO THE FINDINGS. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LEGAL. YES, SIR. I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. AND I'LL ALSO PUT ON THE RECORD. MR. BURGESS HAS BEEN TOLD MULTIPLE TIMES THAT WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD IS WHETHER NOTICE, UM, ON THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION, WAS IT PROPER? IT WAS NOTICE OF VIOLATION PROPER AT THE TIME THAT HE FILED HIS APPEAL. THERE WAS NO FINDINGS. UM, HE'S BEEN TOLD THIS MULTIPLE TIMES. AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD, UM, WAS CLEAR AND UNDERSTOOD THAT THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD IS, UH, WAS NOTICE, UH, WAS A NOTICE OF VIOLATION GIVEN PROPER. THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT'S IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. WE ARE APPEALING THE NOTICE AND THE FINDINGS. SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. IT'S IN THE CODE. SHE CAN COME BEFORE THE BOARD PROACTIVELY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES BEFORE SHE'S CONVICTED OF ANYTHING. UH, YOU WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE BOARD WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO PROACTIVELY COME BEFORE YOU AND GO, UH, WE WANT YOU TO KNOW IF THIS WAS WRONG, IT WAS FIXED. UH, AN EFFORT. UH, NOT ABSENTEE OWNER. NOT, YOU CAN'T FIND THE PERSON. UH, I I SEE THESE THINGS EVERY WEEK. I'M SURE YOU DO TOO. NO ONE KNOWS WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY. THE GRANDFATHER DIED. PEOPLE HAVE MOVED AWAY, UH, ABSENTEE OWNERSHIP THAT THAT PROPERTY IS RIGHTFULLY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. MR. BURGESS, LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. UH, WE ARE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL AS A RESULT OF BEING REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL AND NOT KNOWING EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW, WE ARE GOING TO RELY ON OUR COUNSEL FOR OUR GUIDANCE. AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE NOTICE OF PROPER NOTE WAS THE NOTICE ISSUED PROPERLY? AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH FROM THIS BOARD. UH, AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'VE GOT BEYOND THAT, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GO INTO DISTRICT COURT ON AN APPEAL, BUT THIS BOARD WILL DEAL WITH NOTICE, UH, AND THE PROPER, UH, ISSUE OF THAT NOTICE ONLY. SO THAT MAY HELP YOU WITH YOUR TIME, AND I ACCEPT THE FACT THAT YOU FEEL LIKE THE METHOD OF SERVICE MAY BE INCORRECT, BUT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW OUR GUIDANCE FROM OUR ATTORNEY ONLY. OKAY? SO JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SHE'S NOT GONNA BE PERMITTED TO APPEAL THE ACTUAL DETERMINATIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO DETERMINATIONS MADE BASED ON, I I I'M GOING TO STOP US THERE. MR. BURGESS. IT'S IMPROPER FOR YOU TO POSE ANY QUESTIONS TO THIS BOARD. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR CODE OFFICER AND OR THEIR SUPERVISOR. UM, YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. UM, THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO, AGAIN, QUESTION WHAT I, WHAT YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT IS, IS UP TO YOU. BUT AGAIN, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD? UM, THE CHAIR HAS ALREADY EXPLAINED IT TO YOU, AND I'D APPRECIATE YOU NOT, UM, UH, POSING ANY QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD. OKAY. MAY I APPROACH? NO, UH, IF YOU WOULD, BECAUSE WE'RE ON RECORD, WE HAVE TO KEEP IT ON RECORD. I, I'D LIKE TO HAND YOU THESE DOCUMENTS. I'LL HAND IT TO THE LADIES NEXT TO YOU AND THEY TURN WILL FORWARD THAT TO THE ATTORNEY. THE FIRST DOCUMENT THERE I HAVE IS THE ACTUAL NOTICE OF VIOLATION. IT'S ONE VIOLATION, THE OUTSIDE PLACEMENT. THAT'S ALL SHE RECEIVED. NOTICE ON THE NOTICE OF HEARING, WHICH THEY SHOWED YOU, HAS SEVERAL VIOLATIONS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE. THEY GAVE YOU A, A GENERALIZED, UH, UH, TABLE, BUT THE ONLY VIOLATION THAT WAS ISSUED WAS FOR THE OUTSIDE PLACEMENT. AND AS SOON AS HE LETS YOU SEE 'EM, UH, YOU'LL [01:15:01] SEE THIS. A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS, UH, PROPERTY I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOREVER. PETS IS THE OLDEST RUNNING ASIAN OWNED RETAIL STORE IN SAN ANTONIO. IT HAS CULTURAL AND HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. TOY LOUIE, UH, OPENED THE BUSINESS IN 1985, I BELIEVE. TOY WAS A WORLD WAR II VETERAN. UH, HE WAS CHINESE AMERICAN. HE'S A MEMBER OF THE WEST SAN ANTONIO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THEY'VE RAN THAT BUSINESS FOR OVER 40 YEARS. IT'S A PET SHOP. SO EVERY YEAR THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR THEIR PET SHOP LICENSE. EVERY YEAR. THEY HAVE PASSED FOR OVER 40 YEARS. THERE'S THREE OPTIONS, WHETHER YOU HAVE A PET SHOP LICENSE, YOUR PERMIT IS DENIED, APPROVED, OR APPROVED WITH CONTINGENCY, MEANING YOU'RE APPROVED FOR 90 DAYS, BUT YOU GOTTA FIX THIS, THIS, AND THIS. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT A CS CAN GO TO BUILDING STANDARD BOARDS IF THEY SEE A VIOLATION AND, AND BRING 'EM IN. AGAIN, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT NO ONE IS SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO BE INSPECTED. SO WHEN THE, THE PERMIT WAS DENIED, AND SHE'S HANDED FIVE VIOLATIONS, FOUR MISDEMEANOR CITATIONS, AND TOLD TO WAIT FOR HER HEARING. SO SHE'S WAITING FOR HER HEARING. IN THE MEANTIME, BUILDING STANDARDS COMES IN. MR. CHAIR, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, UH, SO THERE'S CLARIFICATION. UM, WHAT MR. BURGESS IS TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS NOT IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. IT'S IN REGARDS TO ANIMAL CARE SERVICES AND WHAT ANIMAL CARE SERVICES DID AND DID NOT DO. UM, IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, IS THIS BOARD GOING TO MAKE ANY DETERMINATION BASED ON, UM, WHAT ANIMAL CARE SERVICES AND OTHER DEPARTMENT DID. AGAIN, I WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD, I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY HERE THAT WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD, THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, IS WHETHER NOTICE WAS PROPER. AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE ANY DETERMINATIONS. I'M GIVING YOU THE PROPERTY, THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, SO YOU KNOW WHAT PROPERTY YOU'RE DEALING WITH. I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS LEGAL IS NOT GONNA ALLOW YOU TO SEE OUR PHOTOS. IS THIS, IS THIS, RIGHT? AGAIN, IT'S IMPROPER FOR YOU TO, TO ASK QUESTIONS TO THIS BOARD AND POSE QUESTIONS TO THIS BOARD. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT, YOU CAN DIRECTLY ASK, ASK, ASK ME, AND OR ASK COUNSEL IN REGARDS TO AN OBITUARY AS TO WHAT I DO NOT THINK IT'S RELEVANT AS TO WHETHER PROPER NOTICE WAS PROVIDED. OKAY. THE REST OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT, UM, COUNSEL HAS PROVIDED, I, I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD HAS COPIES OF, SO CAN, CAN THEY SEE THESE, THESE PHOTOS OR NOT PHOTOS IN REGARDS TO, UM, SOMEONE'S OBITUARY? SIR, AGAIN, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR WHAT THE ISSUE IS IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD IS WHETHER NOTICE WAS PROPER. THAT IS WHAT THE ISSUE IS. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S YOUR POSITION. OKAY. SO LET I I, I WOULD HOPE, AND WE, I DEFINITELY, THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING. WE HAVE MANY PERSONS THAT WANNA SPEAK. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN, AGAIN, FOCUS ON WHETHER NOTICE WAS PROPER. SO LET'S, LET'S MOVE, LET'S MOVE FORWARD. IF I THINK I ANSWERED YOU THAT QUESTION, YOU HAVE NOT, IF I AN IF I REMOVE THE FIRST PAGE, THE PICTURE OF TOY, THEN CAN THEY SEE THE PHOTOS? MS. MARTINEZ, CAN YOU BRING THOSE DOCUMENTS UP TO ME AGAIN, PLEASE? AND CHAIR, IF YOU'LL GIVE ME A SECOND, STARTING TO COUNSEL. COUNSEL, IF, IF I MAY ASK, WHAT IS I I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF SHOWING PICTURES THAT HAVE NO, NO RELATION TO WHETHER NOTICE WAS PROVIDED, UH, ON THE, THE DAY IN QUESTION. UM, PROVIDING A PICTURE OF A PROPERTY ADJACENT TO IT IS IRRELEVANT. UM, PROVIDING A, A PORTRAIT OF THE, UH, CURRENT OWNER, I, I, I DO NOT BELIEVE IS RELEVANT TO WHETHER, UH, NOTICE WAS PROVIDED. SO I, MY ANSWER IS GOING TO BE NO, SIR. WELL, RESPECTFULLY, I THINK THAT MY ANSWER IS GONNA BE, NO, SIR. LET'S PLEASE MOVE ON. PLEASE. OKAY. RESPECT, RESPECTFULLY. I THINK IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY FIND EVIDENCE. RIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION. LET'S MOVE ON. PLEASE. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR? NO, SIR. WE'RE, WE'RE BOUND BY OUR COUNSEL. SO SOMEBODY'S NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD. MM-HMM. , PERIOD. OKAY. SO ARE THERE ANY PHOTOS IN HERE THAT I CAN SHOW THEM? NO. I, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT MAKES SENSE. SURE. YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, YOU CAN SHOW 'EM THE, THE SECOND PHOTO. THAT'S A, THAT'S A PICTURE OF [01:20:01] THE FAMILY TOGETHER. SURE. WHAT ABOUT THE REPAIRS IN AN EFFORT TO, IN AN EFFORT FOR US TO, TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND CONTINUE WHETHER NOTICE WAS PROPER OR NOT, SIR. OKAY. AGAIN, I, I DISAGREE WITH YOUR LIMITING THE SCOPE OF MRS. LOUIS'S APPEAL. SHE'S ALLOWED TO COME BEFORE A GOVERNING BODY AND, AND ASK FOR REDRESS. THIS IS A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT, MR. CHAIR. I, I'D ALSO ASK THAT WE, AND WE MIGHT NEED TO DO THIS, AND MR. BURGESS, I, I'D ALSO, WE MIGHT NEED TO MOVE JUST A LITTLE BIT SLOWER TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS BEING, UM, INTERPRETED CORRECTLY. MR. BURGESS, AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE OF OUR ATTORNEY. UM, AND IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVERYONE HERE IF YOU WOULD TRY YOUR BEST TO STAY WITHIN HIS GUIDANCE TO US, BECAUSE WE CANNOT OR WILL NOT DEVIATE FROM HIS GUIDANCE. UH, IT IS FOR OUR PROTECTION, AS YOU WOULD WELL KNOW. AND YOU DO OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE OPTION OF DISTRICT COURT IN THE EVENT. WE NEED TO GO TO THAT AS AN ISSUE. SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RETAIN OR MAINTAIN YOUR CONVERSATION TO THE NOTICES HOW THEY WERE, UH, ISSUED AND WERE THEY PROPER OR WERE THEY NOT PROPER? OKAY. WELL, I, I, WITH, I WOULD PROCEED WITH OBJECTION. I WANT THEM MY OBJECTION NOTICE, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE OBJECTION. I'M HAPPY TO PROCEED. CAN WE FIRST ADDRESS THE, THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION? PLEASE? CAN THE BOARD? UH, WELL, I GUESS I'D ASK FOR THE MOTION FOR THE BOARD A VOTE IF WHETHER OR NOT SHE WAS RECEIVED, IF IT ADEQUATE. IF IT IS, IF GOING TO BE A QUESTION, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ATTORNEY FOR INPUT. UH, YOU HAVE HEARD THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE BOARD FROM THE CODE OFFICER. IF YOU HAVE DISAGREEMENTS WITH THE WAY THE CODE OFFICER PRESENTED IT OR WITH THE INFORMATION HE PRESENTED, THEN WE CAN HEAR THAT INFORMATION. UH, BUT WE HAVE HEARD WHAT THE CODE OFFICER SAID. WE KNOW HOW THE CODE OFFICER PRESENTED IT. YOU KNOW HOW THE CODE OFFICER PRESENTED IT. THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S ALL WE KNOW. AND NOW WE'RE ASKING YOU TO ADDRESS WHAT HE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. OKAY. SO OUR POSITION IS SHE ONLY RECEIVED NOTICE ON THE OUTSIDE PLACEMENT. I'VE GIVEN YOU THAT DOCUMENT. SO LET'S, LET'S, CAN WE START THERE AND CHECK THAT BOX RIGHT AHEAD WITH THAT ONE? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD FOR IS RECOGNITION THAT SHE'S ONLY RECEIVED NOTICE OF ONE VIOLATION, WHICH IS THE OUTSIDE PLACEMENT. I I, AND THAT OUTSIDE PLACEMENT IS BASICALLY 3 0 2 0.1. AND YET IN YOUR LETTER TO US, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL ATTACHED THAT GAVE ADDITIONAL NOTICES. UH, THEN THOSE TWO NOTICES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, BECAUSE YOU PROVIDED THAT TO US IN YOUR LETTER. UH, SO IF YOU WOULD DEAL WITH THOSE THREE VIOLATIONS, UH, INITIALLY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. OKAY. THE OUTSIDE PLACEMENT HAS BEEN ABATED. UH, THERE WAS OUTSIDE STORES, JUST LIKE EVERY BUSINESS ON BASSEY HAS OUTSIDE STORAGE. I CAN SHOW YOU PHOTOS OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, UH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. I CAN SHOW YOU PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. AND WE ACCEPT THAT. JUST DEAL WITH THE PROPERTY SPECIFIC ONLY, PLEASE. SO IF I WERE ALLOWED TO SHOW YOU THESE PICTURES, YOU WOULD SEE WHERE THE BACK OF THE BACK STORAGE AREA, UM, BEHIND THE BUILDING HAS BEEN CLEARED. THERE'S A PICTURE OF A, A FULL DUMPSTER. UH, HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE PHOTOS OR IS THERE ANY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT, LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN ISSUE. THAT'S AN ISSUE OF WHETHER THE VIOLATIONS WERE PROPERLY ISSUED OR NOT PROPERLY ISSUED. THAT IS THE PROPER COURSE OF ACTION FOR AN, UH, A CLIENT IS TO ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION AGAINST WHAT THE CODE OFFICER HAS GIVEN TO THEM. SO I APPLAUD THE OWNER FOR TAKING THAT ACTION. THAT'S FANTASTIC. WE WOULD LIKE FOR 'EM TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REMAINDER OF THAT AS WELL. BUT THE ISSUE BEFORE THIS BOARD IS ONE SIMPLE ISSUE. WAS IT PROPERTY ISSUED TO THE OWNER? THEN I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO STRIKE EVERY VIOLATION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE OUTSIDE PLACEMENT, WHICH IS THE ONLY NOTICE OF VIOLATION THAT RECEIVED. UH, AND I SAID THAT WE'VE GOT TWO VIOLATIONS THAT WERE ATTACHED TO YOUR LETTER. AND YOU SAID THERE'S ADDITIONAL FIVE, THERE'S FIVE VIOLATIONS. EXCUSE ME, I MISCOUNTED. UH, SIR, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. YES, SIR. YOU SUBMITTED THIS DOCUMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? YOUR LETTERHEAD ON IT? COMPANY LETTERHEAD, WHICH WAS THE TITLE? CAN YOU GIMME THE TITLE? I SENT SEVERAL LETTERS. THIS IS A LETTER DATED JANUARY THE 22ND, 2024 OVER BURGESS LAW GROUP, PLLC, UH, WITH YOUR STATED OFFICE ADDRESS AS 21 0 2 2, GATHERING OAKS SAN ANTONIO ADDRESS TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, CODE ENFORCEMENT. UH, POST OFFICE BOX 8 3 9 9 6 6. SAN ANTONIO. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LEGAL. COULD YOU PLEASE, JUST TO MAKE SURE AND CONFIRM, CAN YOU READ THE RE UH, THANK YOU. THE REFERENCE TO THE LETTER IS NOTICE OF LEGAL REPRESENTATION AND REQUEST TO APPEAL NOTICE [01:25:01] OF VIOLATION. DID, DID, DID I ASK YOU THAT IS YOUR LETTER? YES, SIR. OKAY. ATTACHED TO YOUR LETTER ARE TWO OTHER DOCUMENTS. AND THERE'S A BLANK PAGE AT THE END THAT CAME FROM YOUR OFFICE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. NOW, ON THIS SECOND, OR ACTUALLY THE THIRD AND FOURTH PAGE ARE THE SEC THIRD PAGE HAS TWO VIOLATIONS. THE FOURTH PAGE HAS THREE VIOLATIONS, WHICH MAKES A TOTAL OF FIVE. YES. NOTHING. YOU'RE SITTING HERE SAYING YOU ONLY RECEIVED ONE. YOUR OWN EVIDENCE SHOWS FIVE. THE NOTICE FROM THE BOARD THAT THIS, THIS FOLLOWS THE SA MPC. THIS FOLLOWS THE ORDINANCE. THIS IS WHAT MUST BE SENT. IT MUST BE SENT BY MAIL. THIS WAS SENT BY MAIL. OKAY. THIS IS THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION THAT THE BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO, EXCUSE ME, THE BOARD BUILDING, THE, THE BUILDING NOT, NOT THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. THE, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS SUPPOSED TO SEND. AND WE RECEIVED THIS. HERE'S A COPY OF THE ENVELOPE. IT'S THE ONLY ONE WE'VE RECEIVED. I AGREE, SIR. THAT THERE WAS STUFF HANDED TO HER. UM, AND IT'S GOT THE, THE TABLE THERE. BUT REPAIR ALL ELECTRICAL HAZARDS ISN'T VALID. NOTICE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND THIS IS, IS MORE DEFINED. THIS IS WHY THIS IS REQUIRED. IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO MAIL EVERYTHING. IF IT'S HANDED TO 'EM, THEY'VE RECEIVED THE DOCUMENTS. YES. AND IN SOME INSTANCES THERE'S AN INSPECTION. BUT WHEN THERE'S A, WHEN THERE'S AN A MATTER BEFORE THE BOARD, WHEN WE REQUEST A HEARING, WE REQUEST THE NOTIFIED PROVISIONS. AND THIS, THIS IS MY POINT, IS THEY COULD ALL BE ON HERE OR YOU CAN SEND SEVERAL DIFFERENT LETTERS. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO APPEAL. I GOTTA COME HERE AND SHOW. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE APPEALING. I HAVE TO HAVE PROPER NOTICE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SENT BY CERTIFIED MAIL. RIGHT. IT HAS TO BE HANDED TO IT IN WHICH THEY'VE RECEIVED. AND YOUR OWN DOCUMENTS STATED THAT THEY WERE RECEIVED. YES. AN ON AN ON ONSITE INSPECTION CAN BE A HAND, BUT IT'S STILL A RECEIPT. CORRECT? YES. BUT IT'S NOT A PROPER NOTICE OF VIOLATION ACTUALLY BY THE ORDINANCE. IT IS A PROPER NOTICE. 'CAUSE IT ACTUALLY TELLS YOU DOWN HERE YOU HAVE 10 DAYS TO COMPLY. I, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS THAT THIS PERSON WAS STATED THEN THAT IS A PROPER NOTICE. IT'S NOT PROPERTY, SIR. BUT AGAIN, I, I MEAN I I'VE GOT THE CODE. I CAN PULL THAT FOR YOU. UM, RE REGARDLESS, CAN THE BOARD CAN SET ASIDE THE NOTICE OF THE OUTSIDE ABATEMENT BECAUSE WE'VE SHOWN THAT THE ISSUE IS MOOT. IT'S RESOLVED, IT'S FIXED. WE DON'T NEED TO FIGHT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU GOT PROPER NOTICE OVER THE OUTSIDE ABATEMENT. WE CAN, CAN WE START THERE AND AGREE? SIR? SIR, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DEBATE FIXED OR NOT FIXED. WE HERE TO DEBATE WHETHER IT WAS PROPERLY RECEIVED, WHICH YOU JUST SAID IT WAS. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE ISSUE HE ACKNOWLEDGED. ONLY JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, HE ACKNOWLEDGED ONLY THE 3 0 2 0.1. RIGHT. WHICH IS THE ONE HE'S SAYING WAS DONE. WE, WE CAN ADDRESS ALL OF IT, BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT. 'CAUSE HE RECEIVED IT IN A LETTER. THESE OTHERS, HE RE THEY RECEIVED YOUR CLIENT RECEIVED HAND TO HAND, WHICH IS A VALID, THE ONLY ONE YOU'RE ARGUING IS IT'S THE FIRST ONE. CORRECT. THAT YOU RECEIVED IT BY MAIL, BUT NOT THE OTHERS. YOU WANT US TO THROW THAT OUT BECAUSE ALLEGEDLY IT'S FIXED. I DON'T KNOW THAT. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT HEARING THAT. YOUR REQUEST IS TO SEE IF IT WAS VALIDATED WHEN THEY GAVE IT TO YOU VIA MAIL OR VIA SMOKE SIGNALS OR VIA. HOWEVER, THE STATE AND THE BOARD THAT ISSUES IT DESIGNS THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A VERY STRICT WAY. IT'S DONE. IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY HAND IT TO YOU, YOU SIGN FOR IT. ANYTHING IT SAYS, AS LONG AS YOU RECEIVED IT, PUTTING IT UP ON THE PROPERTY, IT'S A VALID AS THE COURTS RECOGNIZED IT. SO ANY WAY THEY RECEIVED IT IS VALID. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS. I APPRECIATE YOUR POSITION. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE, YOU, I UNDERSTAND BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TOLD THAT YOU, YOU FEEL THAT WAY. UM, THIS IS, THIS IS THOMAS FRANKS. SO I'M LOOKING AT WOULD BE IN MY PACKET, THE FOURTH PAGE. RIGHT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 3 0 2 0.1 RIGHT? THE OUTSIDE. OKAY. SO IN YOUR DOCUMENTS, IT'S CHECKED 3 0 2 0.1, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND NOW AT THE MIDDLE TOWARDS THE END PORTION CODE STATES WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. RIGHT. AND THAT'S YOUR CLIENT'S SIGNATURE, CORRECT? YES. UNDERNEATH THAT, IT SPECIFICALLY STATES WHAT THE ORDINANCES ARE. THEY HAVE 10 DAYS, ET CETERA. RIGHT. SO HOW WAS THIS NOT PROPER? BECAUSE WHEN YOU CHECK A BOX AND IT SAYS OUTSIDE PLACEMENT, THAT'S NOT VALID. NOTICE NO PROPERTY OWNER WOULD, WOULD, IT'S LIKE IF A, IF A POLICE OFFICER [01:30:01] PULLED YOU OVER AND SAID, HERE'S A TICKET FOR DRIVING ILLEGALLY. THAT'S NOT PROPER NOTICE. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO KNOW WHAT THE CHARGE IS. SO WHEN YOU CHECK A BOX, AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM WE'VE HAD WHEN SHE GIVES A VIOLATION FOR FIX ALL ELECTRICAL HAZARDS, OR ONE ONLY SAID OBTAIN PERMITS, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A COMMUNICATION ELEMENT BETWEEN CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS. IT SHOULD BE COLLABORATIVE. THERE SHOULD, THERE'S A, AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT TO IT. UH, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO HAVE KNOWLEDGEABLE INFORMED PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WHEN SHE ASKED REPEATEDLY COME, LET'S HAVE A A SET A TIME WHERE WE CAN BE THERE. IF IT'S AN ELECTORAL ISSUE, WE WILL BRING A BONDED LICENSED ELECTRICIAN AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE PLACE AND WE'LL SHOW EXACTLY THESE PHOTOS THAT YOU SAW TODAY HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED TO US. LEGAL IS CLAIMING THAT WE HAVE TO FILE A PUBLIC INFORMATION REPORT, UH, EXCUSE ME. A, A FREEDOM OF FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST. TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS. THE BOARD SHOULD WANT A PROPERTY OWNER TO COME BEFORE YOU AND GO, HERE'S THE BEFORE PICTURE. YES, IT'S IN VIOLATION, BUT HERE'S THE AFTER PICTURE. IT'S FIXED. IT'D BE A WASTE OF TIME FOR US TO HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN FOR EVERY LITTLE VIOLATION WHEN THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE PUT YOU IN A CORNER WHERE ALL WE CAN TALK ABOUT IS NOTICE. I SEE. I CAN SEE WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE ON FROM THAT. I CAN I GET THAT. ARE YOU STATING THAT SHE DID REQUEST CLARIFICATION FROM THE CODE OFFICER? YES. SEVERAL TIMES IN EMAILS. WE'VE OFFERED TO MEET THEM. WE'VE OFFERED TO BRING OUT A PLUMBER. DO YOU HAVE THOSE EMAILS WITH YOU? NOT WITH ME, NO, SIR. UH, WE'VE ASKED FOR, UH, REPEATEDLY FOR, UH, A, A, A TIME. AND THEN AGAIN, MR. BURNS KNOWS THIS 'CAUSE HE IS DENIED US SEVERAL TIMES. WE HAVE ELECTRICIAN. I THINK THE, THE, IT WAS APPROVED TODAY OR YESTERDAY. YOU CAN SEE THE PERMITS ON THE WEBSITE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE INSPECTION IS COMPLETED. THE PLUMBING ISSUES FIXED. MR. CHAIR, I I, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT AND I'LL LET YOU SPEAK IN JUST A SECOND, COUNSEL. BUT REMEMBER, THE FACT THAT YOU'VE COMPLETED THE REPAIRS IS FANTASTIC. WE'RE ONLY ASKING WAS THE NOTICE PROPERLY ISSUED AND DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, INCLUDING EMAILS TO SHOW THAT THERE WAS THAT REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION TO THE CODE OFFICER? IS THERE ANY KIND OF INFORMATION THAT YOU COULD SHARE WITH US ON THAT ISSUE? YEAH, I HAVE 15 WITNESSES FROM YESTERDAY'S. OKAY. THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE IN JUST A MOMENT THEN. YEAH. MR. CHAIR, COUNSEL, IF YOU WOULD, YOU ALREADY ADDRESSED IT. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. I GOT A QUESTION. SO BACK ON TO YOU. YOU SAID THAT CODE DIDN'T INSTRUCT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ISSUES WERE. RIGHT? SO YOU'VE STATED THAT THEY DIDN'T WALK AROUND AND SHOW THAT THIS ELECTRICAL OUTLET OR CEILING TILES OR PLUMBING. THEN HOW DID YOUR CLIENT CLIENT KNOW WHAT TO REMOVE FROM OUTSIDE FROM THE EXTERIOR? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THEY SELL FIBERGLASS PONDS. THE KOI PONDS. THEY'RE SITTING OUTSIDE. JUST LIKE WHEN YOU GO IN FRONT OF A, A LOWE'S, THERE'S A BUNCH OF TRACTORS. IT'S NOT AN OUTSIDE PLACEMENT BECAUSE THEY CAN, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE OUTSIDE. OUTSIDE PLACEMENT IS THE CAR PARTS, APPLIANCES, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL THAT'S NOT BEING USED. WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE DID HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE FIBERGLASS DISPLAYS BEING CONSIDERED AN OUTSIDE PLACEMENT. THEY WERE TOLD TO MOVE THEM. WE DISAGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT, THAT THAT'S AN OUTSIDE PLACEMENT NOW. AND THE, THEY'RE STILL THERE. THEY'RE PROPERTY THERE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE THERE. ALL THE BROKEN STUFF. THERE WAS A, AN OLD, AN OLD, UH, WASHER OR DRYER ONE, UM, THAT'S BEEN REMOVED. UH, SO THE OUTSIDE PLACEMENT, UH, I, I AGREE WITH YOU. I HAD TO LOOK UP WHAT OUTSIDE PLACEMENT WAS 'CAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS. AND THE DEFINITION IS IN THE CODE, AND I WAS HAPPY TO SEE IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR. THEY GIVE EXAMPLES CAR PARTS, OUTSIDE PLACEMENT, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO BE OUTSIDE. YOU GO OUTSIDE A U-HAUL, ALL THOSE U-HAUL VANS AND TRAILERS, THAT'S NOT AN OUTSIDE PLACEMENT. THEY'RE, THEY CAN BE OUT THERE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR MATERIAL THAT DETERIORATES AND, AND LESSENS THE, THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE'RE BOTH UNDERSTAND WHAT OUTSIDE PLACEMENT IS. OUR POSITION IS, IF YOU COULD SEE THE PHOTOS, WE WOULD SHOW THAT THE AREA HAS BEEN CLEARED. THEY'VE SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO REMOVE EVERYTHING, EVEN TREE LIMBS ON THE OUTSIDE CHANCE. I MEAN, THEY, THEY'VE REALLY GOTTEN OVERBOARD TO TRY TO APPEAL. ONCE AGAIN, WE DO. ONCE AGAIN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY TELLING US THAT YOU OBS YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE VIOLATION WAS THERE. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU TOOK ACTION ON IT. THAT'S GOOD. UH, LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT ISSUE, UH, OR MOVE TO ONE OF YOUR WITNESSES IF WE COULD. OKAY. SO THE ELECTRICAL ISSUES, UM, WE, WE HAD ASKED, LIKE I SAID, TO TEAM UP WITH ONE OF OUR ELECTRICIANS. UH, SO THEY SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE. UM, NO MATTER, NO DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU BROUGHT YOUR OWN MECHANIC TO A CAR SHOP. [01:35:01] UH, SO THEY CAN COMMUNICATE. AGAIN, THIS IS AN EFFORT TO COMPLY, UH, AND BECOME IN COMPLIANCE. THEY WANT TO BE LAW FIGHTING CITIZENS. UM, THAT OPPORTUNITY WAS DENIED. AND THE ELECTRICIAN HAS COME IN. UH, THERE WAS A DART RATE ON THE MR CHAIR. THIS IS LEGAL. GO AHEAD. I, I, I'D, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO GET US FOCUSED BACK ON WHETHER NOTICE WAS PROVIDED. UM, IT, IT IS NOT THIS, THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER THEY FIXED IT AFTER ALL, WHETHER THEY DID THIS AFTER ALL IT IS ON THE DAY IN QUESTION WAS NOTICE GIVEN AND WAS IT PROPER? OKAY. SHE'S, SHE'S BEEN INTERRUPTED AGAIN BY YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL. UM, ALL WE HAVE BEFORE THE BOARD THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, FOR MY CLIENT TO PRESENT IS WHETHER OR NOT, UH, SHE RECEIVED NOTICE. VALID NOTICE OF THESE? UH, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, SIR. SO, UM, I'LL HAVE THE, THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS COME UP AND SPEAK. UH, IT'S ONLY THREE MINUTES. I ASK THAT THEY NOT BE INTERRUPTED. UH, MAY I DO SO? UH, YES, YOU MAY. UH, AND BEFORE WE DO THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A CORRECTION FOR THE RECORD. ACTUALLY, I MADE A MISTAKE HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PAGE THREE AND FOUR, THERE'S ACTUALLY SIX VIOLATIONS AT THE VERY TOP. THERE'S A 7 0 2 0.1, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ON THE BACK OF THE COPY. MM-HMM. 7 0 2 0.1, WHICH MATCHES UP WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU SENT AT THE VERY TOP HERE. RIGHT. SO FOR THE RECORD, LET IT SHOW THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY SIX VIOLATIONS, NOT FIVE. AND IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT BECAUSE OF THE TRANSLATOR, WE'LL GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE THAN THREE MINUTES BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE TRANSLATED. SO THAT HAS BEEN SO WE'LL, I, I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO IF SHE HAS ISSUES OR THEY HAVE ISSUES UNDERSTANDING, THEN THEN WAVE, LET US KNOW SO WE CAN MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S IN THE RECORD. OKAY. MRS. LOUIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT NEEDS A, A TRANSLATOR. UM, BUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, SIR. DO, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE OF WHICH OF THE WITNESSES GO FIRST? UH, NO. DO YOU WANT TO GO BY THE, THE, OKAY. UH, VIVIAN WILL GO FIRST. OKAY. VILLAGE, IF WE COULD, VIVIAN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. MR. CHAIR. THIS IS LEGAL. YES. LEGAL. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LET SMOOTH AND LET EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I AM GOING TO ASK THAT WE KEEP THE ISSUE AT HAND WHETHER NOTICE WAS PROVIDED AND WHETHER IT WAS PROPER. THAT IS WHAT THE ISSUE IS. THANK YOU. OKAY, MS. LOUIS, ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING THAT? YES, SIR. OKAY. VERY WELL. YES, SIR. MY NAME IS VIVIAN. THIS, MY NAME IS VIVIAN LOUIE. ADDRESS IS 10 30 BASSEY ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. WHAT IS YOUR HOME ADDRESS, PLEASE? 1 0 1 1. MISS NOLL. 7 8 2 5 8. THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND YOUR TESTIMONY, PLEASE. SO, UH, WAS I GIVEN PROPER NOTICE? JANUARY 16TH IS WHEN IT STARTED. ACTUALLY, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CODE COMPLIANCE, THERE'S P TWO PEOPLE THAT DID COME OUT ALONG WITH A CS. YES, THERE WAS ONE IN TRAINING. I DO REALIZE THAT, UH, SHE CAME OUTSIDE WITH ME TO GO LOOK AT THE PLACEMENT OF THINGS THAT WERE OUTSIDE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, I DID TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING AND IT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER I TOOK CARE OF EVERYTHING OR NOT. NOW, AS FAR AS THE PICTURES THAT WERE BEING SHOWN RIGHT NOW, THERE IS ONLY THREE PICTURES IN THERE THAT WERE TAKEN ON THAT DAY. THE REST OF THEM WERE GIVEN NOTICES ON JANUARY 30TH. THAT IS COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS GIVEN ON JANUARY THE 16TH, THE OFFICER ON JANUARY 16TH TOLD ME THE MAIN THING THAT I NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF WAS THE THINGS ON THE OUTSIDE. THERE WAS ONE ROOM THAT HAD A PLUMBING LEAK THAT WAS DUE TO, BECAUSE WE HAD THAT FREEZE THAT CAME IN ON JANUARY THE, UH, 29TH. WE HAD THAT FREEZE ON MONDAY WHERE EVERYTHING WE WATER PIPES FROZE AND EVERYTHING. THAT NEXT DAY IS THE DAY THAT THEY CAME IN ON THAT TUESDAY, WE, THERE WAS SOME DRIPS OF WATER. IT WASN'T AN EXPLOSION OF WATER, BUT THERE WAS DRIPS OF WATER THAT WAS HAPPENING. I WASN'T AWARE THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING, BUT WHEN THEY SHOWED THAT TO ME, I SAID, YES, I WILL GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. THAT WAS A DAY THAT I GOT IT, BUT I CANNOT HELP. AND I SAID, I CAN'T HELP THAT THERE WAS A WATER LEAK THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE PIPES FREEZE. THAT'S NOT EVEN AN ISSUE. THE ISSUE RIGHT, IS DID YOU GET A COPY OF THE NOTICE? RIGHT. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS, RIGHT? THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I GOT NOTIFICATION OF THAT DAY OF WHAT SHE CAME IN FOR, THE PICTURE OF THAT LEAK, THE PICTURE OF THE OUTSIDE. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT I WAS TOLD BY THESE PEOPLE. THEY DID NOT WALK AROUND WITH ME. THE ONLY TIME THEY WALKED AROUND WITH ME WAS WHEN THEY SHOWED ME THE PLUMBING AND THE OUTSIDE PLACEMENTS OF ALL THE, THE, THE ISSUES THAT WERE GOING ON. THEY DID NOT WALK AROUND WITH ME AND TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT THE [01:40:01] ELECTRICAL WHATSOEVER. I DID NOT GET THAT NOTICE OR THAT FINDING UNTIL JANUARY THE 30TH. AT THAT TIME, THAT'S WHEN I KNOW THIS IS NOT RELEVANT. BUT AT THAT TIME, THAT'S WHEN I TOOK IMMEDIATE ACTION AND HIRED AN ELECTRICIAN AND A PLUMBER TO, UH, FIX THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. I'M ABOUT, ABOUT, I'M ABOUT COMPLYING WITH THE LAW IMMEDIATELY AS WE CAN. THIS BUILDING, OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 40 SOMETHING YEARS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS NEED TO CHANGE AND THINGS NEED TO BE UPKEPT. MY DAD PASSED THREE YEARS AGO. I RECENTLY SINCE THEN, TOOK OVER NOW TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW AND UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, I'M ALL ABOUT IT. DID YOU ACTUALLY SEND EMAIL? WAS THAT FROM YOU OR WAS THAT FROM SOME OTHER FAMILY MEMBER TO THE CODE OFFICER? THE ATTORNEY MENTIONED EMAIL THAT HE HAD SENT TO CODE COMPLIANCE. UH, WERE YOU THE AUTHOR OF THAT EMAIL? NI OKAY. I, I'M, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M NOT SURE WHICH EMAIL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I, I DO NOT KNOW EITHER, BUT THE ATTORNEY JUST REFERRED TO IT. OKAY. SO DISREGARD MY QUESTION. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I AM A ALL ABOUT IN COMPLYING WITH THE LAW. IF SOMETHING'S BROKEN, PLEASE TELL ME. I WILL FIX IT IMMEDIATELY. I WAS LIKE I SAID THIS, MY DAD'S ONLY BEEN PASSING FOR THREE YEARS. HE LIVED TILL HE WAS 93. SO MY DAD HAD WAYS OF DOING THINGS. SO, IN ESSENCE, WHAT YOU'RE, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT, UH, YOU NEEDED CLARIFICATION OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE VIOLATION AS OPPOSED TO THE FACT THAT YOU DID OR DID NOT RECEIVE THE VIOLATION. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT IS CORRECT. SO THEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER VIOLATION THAT CAME IN WHEN THE DART, UH, RAID CAME IN ON JANUARY THE 30TH. THAT WAS THE NEXT MR. CHAIR, GO AHEAD, COUNSEL. I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE TO STOP YOU. I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CRYSTAL CLEAR ON SOMETHING. FIRST AND FOREMOST, DART DOESN'T DO RAIDS. THEY DO INSPECTIONS. COUNSEL AND HIS CLIENT HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT MULTIPLE TIMES. SECOND, ANY ACTION THAT THE DART TEAM MIGHT OR MIGHT HAVE TAKEN WAS AFTER THESE NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS WERE PROVIDED. SO I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, ARE STAYING FOCUSED WHILE I, I WANT TO GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS, UM, HER ASIDE. I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY FOCUSED. UM, ANY DART INSPECTION OR DART INVOLVEMENT WAS, IS IRRELEVANT AS TO WHAT HAPPENED ON THE 16TH DAY OF JANUARY, 2024. ON THE 16TH DAY OF JANUARY 16TH. THREE THINGS WERE TOLD TO ME THAT WERE, LIKE I SAID, WAS TO BE FIXED. THE OUTSIDE STUFF NEEDED TO BE CLEANED UP. SECOND THING WAS THAT LEAK THAT NEEDED TO BE FIXED FROM A FAUCET CHAIR. UH, THE TIME IS UP FOR, UH, HER THREE MINUTES IS UP. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ABOUT 15 SECONDS TO WRAP UP IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. OKAY. LIKE I SAID, IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE FIXED, I'M ALL ABOUT FIXING IT. I'M THE MAIN PERSON BESIDES MY MOTHER THAT IS AT THE STORE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A FAMILY OF BUSINESS THAT HAVE BEEN TRYING TO STRIVE. THIS IS MY DAD'S PASSION. THIS IS MY PASSION TO KEEP OUR PET STORE GOING. AND I WILL COMPLY WITH THE LAW AS NECESSARY AND WILL ALWAYS DO THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE STUFF THAT'S IN QUESTION FROM JANUARY 16TH OF WHAT I WAS NOTIFIED PROPERLY, THE ONES ON 30, THE 30TH, THAT WAS THE DAY I WAS NOTIFIED. I WAS NOT GIVEN PROPER NOTIFICATION DURING THAT TIME FOR THE ELECTRICAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT SINCE THEN, I HAVE REPAIRED EVERYTHING IN A TIMELY MANNER WITHIN TWO DAYS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. DO, UH, COUNSEL, DO YOU WANNA CONTROL WHO COMES UP NEXT OR WOULD VIVIAN, MR. CHAIR POINT OF ORDER? I HAVE A QUESTION. WE GOT A QUESTION. UH, HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE THEN, BUT LET ME ASK THAT QUESTION THOUGH TO COUNSEL OKAY. OR TO VIVIAN WHO WANTS TO CONTROL THE NEXT SPEAKER. OH, HOLD ON. YES, SIR. HOLD, I DON'T MIND IF YOU GO OFF THAT LIST, SIR. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ILL TAKE THAT. I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING. GO AHEAD, SIR. WE'D LIKE TO GO MS. MRS. LOUISIE LAST. OKAY, VERY GOOD. AND THERE'S, THERE'S A QUESTION TO VIVIAN. GO AHEAD, COUNSEL. UH, YES SIR. MA'AM, UM, YOU STATED THAT YOU GOT THE, THAT YOU WERE NOTICED ON THE 30TH OF JANUARY. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THE SECOND WHEN THE DART, WE CALL IT THE DART RAID BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE WERE, WE WERE TREATED. UM, THAT'S WHEN I GOT NOTICE ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL 'CAUSE THEY WOULD NOT LET US WALK AROUND. HOLD ON WITH MR. CHAIR. DO, DO WE HAVE A COPY THAT SHE CAN LOOK AT? DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THIS? YOUR LETTER? BOTH THE, BOTH THE LETTER. DO YOU HAVE A COPY THAT SHE CAN LOOK AT? THAT'S THE, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING THERE. IT'S THE, I CAN'T SEE. IT'S THE LETTER THAT YOU STATED THAT YOU ONLY RECEIVED THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION. DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT ONE AND YOUR OWN EVIDENCE? BOTH THREE AND FOUR. PAGE THREE AND FOUR. YES. DO YOU HAVE A COPY SO SHE CAN LOOK AT IT? I THINK I GIVE YOU MY COPY. I COULD DIG THROUGH IT. YOU DIDN'T GIVE YOUR [01:45:01] COPY. WE GET OURS FROM MR. CHAIR. I BELIEVE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN. OKAY. SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IF WE CAN PUT THESE ON THE SCREEN. I'M GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION. OKAY. AND COUNSEL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SIT BACK DOWN, I'M SORRY. BOTH OF THEM THREE AND FORM OF THE LETTER. AND THEN THAT ONE, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO SPECIFICALLY SHOW ON THE SCREEN THE LETTERS THAT MR. ANDES IS ACTUALLY ASKING ABOUT. ALRIGHT. LET, WE'LL, WE'LL GO WITH THIS ONE FIRST. OKAY, MA'AM. AT THE VERY TOP. I'M GONNA STEP OVER THERE 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES ON IF, IF THAT'S OKAY. OH, CAN DO YOU NEED 'EM? WELL, I'M JUST GONNA STEP OVER AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT, OH, YEAH, THAT'S FINE. YES, IF YOU CAN GO, BECAUSE I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA USE A POINTER. OKAY. OKAY. IF YOU CAN LOOK RIGHT UP HERE. WHAT IS THAT DATE? THE 16TH? RIGHT. IF YOU CAN SCROLL THAT UP A LITTLE BIT, MR. CHAIR, JUST GIVE HER ONE SECOND. IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK HER QUESTIONS WHILE SHE'S STEPPING AWAY. YEAH, I JUST WANNA GIVE HER A MICROPHONE SO WE CAN HAVE, OH, I'M SORRY. IT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. GIVE US A SECOND. I'M SORRY. YES. I DIDN'T ALLOW YOU TO MY BACK. NOW CAN YOU CONFIRM WHAT IS AT THE TOP CORNER, RIGHT TOP CORNER? JANUARY 16TH. OKAY. IF, IF YOU CAN SCROLL IT UP. OKAY, MA'AM. NOW WHAT DOES THIS LINE SAY RIGHT HERE? UH, WHICH LINE, SIR? I, THE, THE LAST, THE LAST PIECE RIGHT HERE WHERE IT SAYS REINSPECTING DATE 1 27 24. THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. IF WE HAVE A COPY OF THIS ONE. 'CAUSE, UH, THE SECOND, THE THIRD ONE SAYS THE SAME THING IF, DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THIS? WE'RE GONNA PUT ANOTHER ONE UP. THAT, THAT ONE SAYS THE SAME THING AS THE FIRST ONE. THIS IS PAGE FOUR. AND THIS HAS THE OTHER THREE VIOLATIONS ON IT. AND NOW THIS LETTER SAYS RIGHT HERE, REINSPECTED DATE THE 30TH. THAT'S WHEN YOU RECEIVED IT, IS WHAT YOU'RE STATING. I'M, I'M CONFUSED BY THE QUESTION. I'M, I'M CONFUSED. YOU WERE STATING THAT YOU RECEIVED ALL OF THESE COM UH, VIOLATIONS ON THE 30TH. NO, SIR. I DID NOT SAY, I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID. I SAID THAT WE DID RECEIVE THE FIRST SET OF NOTIFICATIONS ON JANUARY 16TH. THE THREE VIOLATIONS THAT WE, I WAS TOLD DURING THAT TIME WAS ABOUT THAT PLUMBING ISSUE, ABOUT THE OUTSIDE ISSUE. UH, IT SAYS ELECTRICAL, BUT SHE NEVER TOLD ME. BUT THERE WAS ONLY ONE ELECTRICAL BOX THAT WAS SOME THAT SHE SHOWED ME ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE FIXED. AND THERE'S THREE PICTURES OF THOSE THREE THINGS THAT SHE TOLD ME TO FIX. I DID FIX IT. HOWEVER, AFTERWARDS ON JANUARY 30 30TH IS WHEN A NEW SET OF OTHER ISSUES CAME ABOUT. NOT ACCORDING TO THESE DOCUMENTS. THE DOCUMENTS CLEARLY SHOWED THE 16TH IS WHEN THEY RECEIVED THE CASE. AND THEN THE RE-INSPECTION WAS THE 27TH. BUT THIS ONE GIVES YOU ACTUALLY THREE DAYS MORE. THE 30TH. OKAY, LET ME, LET ME ADDRESS IT FROM NOW ON. YOU CAN SIT DOWN. I, I THINK I I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU'RE, WE'RE NOT ARGUING WITH IT. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THAT PIECE OF PAPER. CAN YOU GO BACK TO IT? YES, SIR. WE CAN. THANK YOU. BUT WHAT THE STATEMENT WAS, IS YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE PROPER NOTICE AND THAT SHE STATED THAT YOU RECEIVED IT ON THE 30TH. THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT SHOWS. RIGHT. WE, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE PROPER NOTICE BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING WE, WE'VE RECEIVED THIS PIECE OF PAPER AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE OBSERVATION OBSERVED TO BE DETERMINED. THAT'S NOT PROPER NOTICE. IT'S NOT PROPER NOTICE. IT'S LIKE IF YOU, A COPY GIVES YOU A SPEEDING TICKET TO BE DETERMINED AND LEAVES YOU THERE. YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO GIVE FAIR NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC. I I THINK THAT'S WHERE OUR ISSUE IS, IS WE AGREE WE HAVE THAT PIECE OF PAPER. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS TO BE DETERMINED IS NOT PROPER NOTICE. YOU CAN'T FIX WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW IS BROKEN. THAT'S OUR POSITION. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LEGAL. I WANT TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS WHEN HE'S TALKING ABOUT TO BE DETERMINED. THAT'S THE CASE NUMBER ABOVE ON THE LEFT, ON THE TOP RIGHT HAND SIDE. UH, SO, UH, I WANNA MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR. THAT'S A CASE NUMBER. THE DATE, UH, DOES STATE EXACTLY WHAT WAS ALREADY TESTIFIED TO 1 16 20 24. ALSO, TO JUST GO ON THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, IT'S TO BE DETERMINED BECAUSE THE CITY ALLOWS YOU SPECIFIC TIME TO CORRECT IT. IF YOU DON'T CORRECT IT ON THE INSPECTION, COMING [01:50:01] UP ON THE 27TH ON THESE DOCUMENTS AND 30TH ON THE OTHER DOCUMENT OR WHICHEVER ONE YOU TAKE, THEN THEY DETERMINE WHAT NEXT STEP IS BEFORE IT EVEN COMES TO THE BOARD. THAT IS DID YOU READ THAT PART? I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION. YES. RIGHT. SO WHEN IT SAYS TO BE DETERMINED, IT, IT DETERMINES ON THE 10 DAYS THEY GAVE YOU. OKAY. SO WHEN THEY COME BACK ON THE 27TH AND THEY DON'T ISSUE ANY VIOLATIONS, ARE WE CLEAR? I THINK THAT I'M GONNA STOP TIMING. I'M I'M GONNA STOP THE BOARD RIGHT THERE. I'M GONNA STOP THE BOARD. I WANNA MAKE SURE THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS THAT, UH, ON THE 30TH, HIS APPEAL AND THE PROPERTY OWNER'S APPEAL HAD ALREADY BEEN FILED DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ALREADY GOING TO APPEAL THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION. THE CITY DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY ACTUAL VIOLATIONS OR CITATIONS ISSUED UNTIL THIS WAS RECTIFIED. AND THIS, THIS, THIS HEARING HAD HAPPENED. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THE BOARD IS, IS CLEAR OF THAT. I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR, ANY, ANY OF YOUR TIME OVER VIOLATIONS THAT NOT HAVE BEEN DETERMINED. I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE NO, NO, NO. THEY WERE VIOLATIONS. I'M, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. WE ARE NOT, IF THE BOARD WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AT ALL. IF THE BOARD DOESN'T THINK THERE'S A VIOLATION, THAT THAT'S FINE. LET, LET ME ADDRESS THE BOARD DIRECTLY. UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE ASK YOUR QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION AS OPPOSED TO EDUCATION OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. UNLESS THE QUESTION IS EDUCATION FOR YOURSELF. SO DIRECT YOUR QUESTIONS BASED ON THE CLARIFICATION OF WAS THE NOTICE PROPERLY ISSUED, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. SO MAKE SURE YOUR QUESTIONS ARE SUCCINCT TO THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. OKAY. CAN WE MOVE ON WITH THE NEXT PUBLIC? WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON. YES. UH, TRANS LOUIE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR HOME ADDRESS PLEASE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? MY NAME IS FANTASTIC, . MY NAME IS TRAVIS LOUIE. I AM ANN LOUIS'S SON. UH, TOY WAS MY FATHER. UH, I WAS BASICALLY BRED INTO FOREVER PETS, BUT, UH, REALLY QUICK AND I UNDERSTAND, EXCUSE ME, MR. YOUR ADDRESS ALSO YOUR HOME ADDRESS. OH 2 0 2 1 1 EBNER ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. YES SIR. OF COURSE. GO AHEAD. YES, OF COURSE. I JUST REALLY QUICK, MY BACKGROUND IN THE, SINCE 2014, I PROJECT MANAGED, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UM, AND CONSTRUCTION. AND I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU ALSO ON THAT ONE BECAUSE I NEED TO SPEED THROUGH THIS. NO, NO. YES. SO THE ISSUE WAS NOT PROPER NOTICE. NO. AND THIS IS WHY, THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU THIS. GO AHEAD. I, OUR EXPERIENCE WITH YOU GUYS IS INCREDIBLE. I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM THESE GUYS. AND MY POINT TO Y'ALL IS THIS, IS THAT THROUGH ALL THE PHASES OF INSPECTIONS THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT BE ROUGH IN TOP IN WHETHER WE HAD A VIOLATION OR NOT, WE HAD A DIRECT CONTACT, A DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE INSPECTOR. WE WERE ABLE TO CALL THEM AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DO WE DO TO FIX THIS? HOW DO WE FIX THIS NOW? HANG ON, I GET IT. IT'S ALL ABOUT WERE WE SERVED CORRECTLY OR NOT. MY QUESTION TO YOU GUYS IS THIS, ARE Y'ALL TRYING TO DESTROY THIS BUSINESS? OR WHEN WE REACHED OUT AFTER CHAIR, WE WERE, I'M GONNA STOP HERE. I IMPROPER QUESTION. OKAY, THAT'S IMS. BUT WE TRIED THREE TIMES TALKING TO PEOPLE TO GET OUR STATEMENTS ACROSS. DO YOU ABOUT THE VIOLATION OR NOT? LEMME ASK YOU THIS, MR. LUKE. YES, SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANY RECORD OF THAT AND PRINT THAT THE BOARD COULD LOOK AT? I'LL LET MY, OTHERWISE WE'RE DEALING WITH TESTIMONY ONLY. I CAN ADDRESS THAT. AGAIN, THIS IS THE PUBLIC SPEAKING PORTION. THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GIVE A STATEMENT AND NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS. HOWEVER, I I DO NOT NEED THAT. RIGHT. GO AHEAD. I UNDERSTAND. HOWEVER, I I GUESS I HAVE ASK YOU TO REPEAT YOUR QUESTION. WAS, WAS PROPER NOTES. DOES DOES HE HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION OF THE REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION ON NO, I HAVEN'T. I'M, I HAVEN'T PROVIDED HIM WITH ANY. OKAY. ANY, ANY THOUGHTS? THEN LET'S GO BACK TO MR. LEE, PLEASE. I, I, I GUESS THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHETHER IT WAS SERVED CORRECTLY OR NOT, WE TRY TO MAKE IT CORRECT. AND MY POINT TO YOU, WHY I TOLD YOU ABOUT MY CAREER IS BECAUSE I CAN GO TO CHIEF AT ANY GIVEN TIME AND SAY, CHIEF, WHAT DID I DO WRONG? SIR, PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD AND IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE. 'CAUSE THIS IS RECORDED. YES, SIR. OF COURSE. I APOLOGIZE. MY POINT IS, IS THAT THEY GAVE US A, A CHANCE FOR RECOURSE. THEY GAVE US A CHANCE. THEY, THEY TOLD US WHAT THE STEPS WERE TO GET THERE AND WE WEREN'T GIVEN THAT. ARE YOU, ARE YOU BASICALLY SAYING THEN THAT YOU RECEIVED NOTICE OF VIOLATION, COUNSEL? NO. NO, WE ARE NOT. VERY GOOD. GO AHEAD, . OKAY. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, BUT GO AHEAD. NO, NO. SO I I, MY MY WHOLE POINT IS, IS THAT US AS A FAMILY AND US AS A BUSINESS, WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLY AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS NOTICE WHETHER IT WAS SERVED OR NOT, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. LIKE OUR COUNSEL WAS SAYING, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY INSPECTION THAT NEEDS TO BE DUMPED BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP IT OPEN. WE HAVE TO, IT'S A MEANS OF LIVING FOR MY FAMILY. IT REALLY IS. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER WE WERE PROPERLY SERVED OR NOT. NO. LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW WE CORRECT THE SITUATION SO WE CAN GET BACK TO BUSINESS INSTEAD OF REALLY MESSING WITH WHETHER WE WERE SERVED PROPERLY OR NOT. LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA RECTIFY IT AS A COMMUNITY. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LEGAL. I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS REMINDED THAT THE REASON [01:55:01] THAT WE ARE HERE FOR AN APPEAL IS BECAUSE, UM, THEIR COUNSEL DECIDED TO APPEAL THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION. SO WHILE IT'S GREAT THAT THEY, SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE US TO IGNORE THAT AND MOVE FORWARD, WE CANNOT MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE AN APPEAL WAS FILED BY HIS ATTORNEY AND HIS FAMILY'S ATTORNEY. BUT MR. BURN, WE DO NEED TO, BUT MR. WE TRIED TALKING TO YOU LIKE THREE TIMES. SO WE DO SO WE DO NEED TO HEAR THIS CASE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT, Y'ALL. UM, I, I RESPECT WE'VE BEEN IN, I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF BOARDS BEFORE AND WHAT YOU GUYS DO IS AMAZING. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR AND WHAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO VOICE TO HELP US OUT. WE NEED A VOICE AGAINST MR. BURNS THAT HEARS WHAT'S HAPPENING PRIOR TO THESE VIOLATIONS PRIOR TO US GETTING SERVED SOMEBODY, A VOICE TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO TALK. AND THAT'S ALL I'M WANTING TO SAY. AND WE'RE NOT GIVING THAT DUE PROCESS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE APPEALING IT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING TO YOU. 'CAUSE HOPEFULLY YOU CAN BE THAT VOICE TO HELP US OUT BECAUSE WE NEED THAT. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GETTING ATTACKED ON ALL ANGLES. I THINK MY THREE MINUTES IS UP, BUT PLEASE, IF I CAN LET YOU GUYS LEAVE WITH THIS, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD RIGHT. AND UNDERSTAND THAT OUR BELOVED CITY, SIR, WORK WITH THESE GUYS ALL THE TIME. SO MR. LU, WE'RE GONNA LET THE BOARD ASK YOU QUESTIONS IF YOU COULD PLEASE. OKAY. OKAY. I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PICTURES, SIR, IF THAT WOULD BE OKAY. THE, I I, I, I AM NOT GOING TO LET YOU SHOW THOSE PICTURES. AND THE COUNCIL TELLS ME I'M WRONG BECAUSE THE ISSUE WAS, OR THE ISSUE IS REAL SIMPLE, WAS ISSUE WAS NOTICE A VIOLATION ISSUED. YES. AND THE PICTURES, ALL THAT DOES IS SHOW YOU THAT THERE IS INDEED A VIOLATION. AND THE QUESTION AT HAND IS, WAS THE VIOLATION PROPER AND WASN'T GIVEN TO THE OWNER. IT WAS PROPER AND IT WAS GIVEN. AND THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO DO WITH THE PICTURES WERE TO SHOW HIM, AND THEY'VE LOOKED AT THESE PICTURES, THE VIOLATIONS. WELL, THAT, THAT'S NOT EVEN HIS QUESTION. HE'S, HE'S NOT EVEN VIOL, HE'S NOT CHALLENGING. WAS IT VIOLATION AT ALL? ALL HE'S CHALLENGING IS NOTICE OF VIOLATION. SO I'M NOT GONNA LET YOU ASK THAT QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND. UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. THOMAS, DID YOU HAVE ONE OR WAS IT SOMEONE ELSE? I'M GOOD. MR. LOUIS? UM, YES. MR. LOUIE, I GOT A QUESTION. SO, AT THE BEFORE MR. CHAIRMAN STOPPED YOU, YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOUR HISTORY IS, RIGHT? YES. SO YOU SAID YOU'RE A PROJECT MANAGER AT CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? SO YOU'VE HAD GONE THROUGH BUILDING INSPECTIONS, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. SO FROM WHAT YOUR ATTORNEY SENT US, YOU'VE SEEN THESE BEFORE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. THANKS. GO AHEAD AND BE SEATED IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND COUNSEL, I'M GOING TO ASK THE CODE OFFICER TO COME BACK UP. THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE MR. LOUIE MADE A COMMENT OR ADDRESSED THE CODE OFFICER, AND I'M GONNA ASK HIM TO COME UP AND MAKE A STATEMENT ON ANYTHING THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO HIS, UH, ORIGINAL BRIEF. AND I'LL BRING YOU BACK UP. COUNSEL CODE ENFORCEMENT SUPERVISOR, RAMO, GUERRO. UM, ONE, THE PICTURES, UH, THERE WAS MENTION THAT THERE WERE NOT JUST ON THE 16TH, THERE WAS ONE OR TWO PICTURES IN THERE FROM THE DATE OF POSTING FOR THE HEARING, WHICH WAS THE 25TH. I THINK THAT'S WHEN THE NOTICE WERE POSTED. ALL THE, ALL THE PHOTOS TODAY THAT WERE PROVIDED ARE FROM THE 16TH. SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT AGAIN, ALSO ON THE NOTICE, UH, TO BE DETERMINED, THAT'S UNDER THE CASE NUMBER. THAT'S ALL IT IS. THAT'S, THAT'S WE'RE NOT, IT'S JUST WHERE THE CASE NUMBER WOULD GO. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? CODE OFFICER, JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION. AS A CODE OFFICER, YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES GO IN AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY CODE VIOLATIONS AND TO POINT THOSE OUT TO THE OCCUPANT OR THE OWNER. IT'S, AND CORRECT ME HERE IF I'M WRONG, IT'S NOT TO TELL THEM HOW TO CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS THAT IS UP TO THE OWNER TO GET THE PROPER RESOURCES AND, UH, DO AN APPRAISAL AND DETERMINE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND, AND GO ABOUT AND DOING THE WORK. BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CLARITY THERE, THAT THAT'S, YOU'RE NOT GIVING ADVICE ON HOW TO DO THE REPAIR. RIGHT. SO WHEN THE CODE OFFICER IS ISSUING NOTICE, THEY WILL EXPLAIN THE, THE, THE, THE NOTIFICATION. THEY'LL EXPLAIN THE CODE. UM, IN SOME INSTANCES, LIKE OUTSIDE PLACEMENT ON SARY PREMISE INFESTATION, WE SAY THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. ELECTRICAL HAZARDS WERE FOUND. IF WE WILL TELL THEM, HIRE A LICENSED, UH, ELECTRICIAN LICENSE. RIGHT? PLUMBING LICENSE. MECHANICAL LICENSE. SO WE WILL NOTIFY THEM. YOU NEED TO HIRE, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE RIGHT. ALSO, WE LET THEM KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING. THEY NEED TO GET A PERMIT. AND MOST OF THE TIMES WE'LL TELL 'EM IF YOU HIRE A LICENSED CONTRACTOR, THEY'RE KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. THEY NEED, THEY KNOW THEY NEED TO PULL A PERMIT. SO THOSE THINGS ARE EXPLAINED. UM, AND AGAIN, ANY AND ON THIS DATE, THE UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT ISSUED THE NOTICE, UM, HAS EXPLAINED TO ME THAT SHE DESCRIBED THE VIOLATIONS AND WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. JUST FOLLOW IN UP A LITTLE BIT TOO. AND THE [02:00:01] WHOLE IDEA BEHIND GETTING SOMEONE LICENSED TO DO THE WORK IS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY THEIR NAME THAT GOES DOWN, UH, ON THAT WORK THAT WAS DONE. AND SO THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S THOROUGH. 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKING THE LIABILITY SHOULD THAT WORK RESULTED IN INJURY. AND SO YOU MAY NOT SEE THINGS WHILE YOU'RE OUT THERE, UH, UH, DOING YOUR INSPECTION THAT SOMEONE WITH A LICENSE IS DOING THE WORK AND REALIZES THAT THERE'S OTHER ISSUES AND THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO GET ADDRESSED BEFORE THEY PUT THEIR NAME ON THAT PROJECT. CORRECT. THANK YOU. QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO CALL OFFICER? NO. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LEGAL. I, I I'VE ASKED THAT, UH, 1 0 7 0.210 7.3, BUT PUT ON THE SCREEN, UM, AND I'D ASK THAT THE BOARD TAKE NOTICE OF THAT. THERE'S METHODIST SERVICE FOR 1 0 7 0.2. UM, AND ESTHER, CAN WE, CAN WE GET 1 0 7 0.2 UP REAL QUICK? IS THAT POSSIBLE? COUNSELOR, ARE YOU READING THE 1 0 7 0.3? YES. NOW, WITH THAT COUNSEL, WILL YOU PLEASE LOOK AT NUMBER ONE AND READ WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT OFF THE BAT? NO. . UM, WE'RE NOT ARGUING THAT SHE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE PIECE OF PAPER. WE'RE ARGUING THAT THE NOTICE WAS NOT ADEQUATE. IT'S WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT THERE. HAND DELIVERED. YES. I'M NOT ARGUING THAT YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE THE PIECE OF PAPER. I I THOUGHT WE'D MOVED ON FROM THIS. THAT IS THE NOTICE. YES, IT IS. IS IT ADEQUATE? IT'S WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT THERE. IS IT FAIR? I'M NOT, NOT SERVICE THE NOTICE OF ITSELF. OKAY. IF I GIVE YOU A TICKET FOR DRIVING ILLEGALLY, YOU CAN'T GO TO COURT AND FIGHT IT. YOU DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T TELL YOU BECAUSE ON MOST TICKETS IT TELLS YOU IN THE BACK WHAT IT WAS FOR. EXACTLY RIGHT. THIS TELLS YOU IS THIS DELIVERED? AND THOSE TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT, AND I RECITE BACK TO THIS, TELLS YOU EXACTLY WHAT VIOLATIONS THE CODE WAS. JUST CHECK. UH, I AGREE WITH YOUR, I UNDERSTAND YOUR NOTICE OF HEARING. OKAY. THAT SUCH GENERALIZED LANGUAGE FIX ALL, ALL PLUMBING ISSUES, FIX ALL ELECTRICAL ISSUES ARE, ARE ONLY, AND AND OUR ONLY POINT HERE IS THEY NEED TO SPECIFY WHAT IS BROKEN. THEY DON'T NEED TO TELL US HOW TO FIX IT. I GET THAT. BUT EVERYONE, INCLUDING ALL OF YOU, ANY PROPERTY OWNER DESERVES ADEQUATE NOTICE. IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL DUE PROCESS. RIGHT? LET ME ASK YOU THIS. YOUR CLIENT ADMITTED WALKING WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. WHY THEY WERE DOING THE INSPECTION ON ONE INSPECTION. YES, SIR. UH, THE FIRST ONE. THE FOUR ONE 16TH. HOLD ON. ON THE 16TH. YES. 16TH. MA'AM. HOLD ON. DON'T SAY NOTHING UNTIL YOU COME UP TO THE MIC. DON'T SAY NOTHING UNTIL YOU COME TO THE MIC 'CAUSE IT'S ALL, AND THEN REINSTATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN FOR THE RECORD. VIVIAN LOUIE, 10 11 MIS DINO 7 8 2 5 8 ON THE 16TH. THE OFFICER ONLY PULLED ME OUT TO GO SEE THE OUTSIDE AND THE PLUMBING. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT SHE SHOWED ME. SH UH, THERE WAS ONE ELECTRICAL BOX THAT JUST NEEDED A COVER. SHE SAID THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED AS FAR AS EVERYTHING ELSE GOES. SHE DID NOT TELL ME ANYTHING ELSE. THESE THINGS NEED TO BE FIXED. I SAID, YES MA'AM, I WILL GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. SO OTHER THAN THAT, SO YOU SIGNED THIS WITHOUT ASKING CLARIFICATION. THAT IS YOUR I WHEN YOU WERE UP HERE EARLIER, I DIDN'T A CHANCE. THAT IS MY SIGNATURE. BUT THAT IS YOUR SIGNATURE. RYAN, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA STOP US RIGHT NOW REAL QUICK. THIS IS BEING STREAMED AND IT'S BEING RECORDED. SO I'D LIKE FOR US TO GIVE EACH OTHER AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE QUESTION AND TO ALLOW HER TO, TO RESPOND APPROPRIATELY. SO LET'S, IF WE COULD DO THAT AGAIN, MR. FRANKS, I'D APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT. UH, LET, LET ME LET MR. FRANKS FINISH HIS COVER QUESTION. GO AHEAD WITH YOURS AND INCH RESPOND THAT WAY. OKAY. MY QUESTION IS THIS, THIS IS YOUR SIGNATURE, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT ON ONE 16 YOU WALKED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. YOU SIGNED THIS WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT YOUR COUNSEL PROVIDED, CORRECT? I SIGNED THAT, UH, THAT DAY WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. SHE SAID, NOW I DID NOT READ OVER THAT. SHE TOLD ME, LIKE I SAID, I WALKED WITH HER IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, THE OUTSIDE AREA. SHE TOLD ME I NEEDED TO GET RID OF THE STUFF OUTSIDE. SHE WALKED WITH ME TO THE PLUMBING AREA WHERE THE FAUCET WASHER AND DRYER USED TO BE, HAD A LEAK. SHE TOLD ME. AND THEN THERE WAS AN ELECTRICAL [02:05:01] BOX THAT NEEDED TO BE FIXED. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE AS FAR AS PICTURE THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY TOOK, SHE NEVER WALKED WITH, I NEVER WALKED WITH HER THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STORE. THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING TO ME ABOUT THAT EXCEPT FOR THOSE THREE ISSUES. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD ON JANUARY 16TH. YES, THAT IS MY SIGNATURE. BUT THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD TO FIX. WAIT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. GO SIT DOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU, YOU THINK OH, YOU COMPLETE? YEAH, I SAID THANK YOU. NOW YOU JUST SAID YOU WERE VERBALLY TOLD, UH, I'M SORRY. YOU JUST SAID YOU WERE VERBALLY TOLD I WASN'T ON THE MIC. UM, ABOUT THE WASHER ISSUE, ELECTRICAL ISSUE, THE LEAK, THE, THE WASHING. THE WASHING WHERE THE LEAK WAS WITH THE WATER FAUCET AND THE ELECTRICAL ISSUE. THE ELECTRICAL ISSUE WAS WITH A BOX. IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU WERE VERBALLY TOLD. I WAS TOLD ABOUT THAT ISSUE. UH, VERBALLY TOLD BY THE CODE OFFICER FOR THAT. BACKED UP WITH A DOCUMENT THAT STATED THAT YOU HAD SOME ISSUES FOR THAT ONE, FOR THAT ONE ISSUE. THAT ONE PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO YOU SAY THAT THEY WERE NOT PROPERLY NOTIFIED? YES, VERBALLY TELLING, VERBALLY TELLING ME THAT I WAS NOT PROPERLY NOTIFIED FOR THE REST OF THE, UH, CITATIONS OR ANYTHING THAT I'M BEING, WE ARE BEING CHARGED FOR. WE GOT CITATION FOR THE THREE THINGS ON THE 16TH. EVERYTHING ELSE PRIOR TO THE, I MEAN AFTER THAT DATE, SHOULD NOT EVEN BE IN QUESTION UNTIL LATER. I GET THAT. BUT BEF ON THE 16TH, LIKE I SAID, THESE THREE THINGS, BUT SHE DID NOT WALK AROUND WITH ME IN THE WHOLE STORE AND TELL ME, THIS ELECTRICAL NEEDS TO BE FIXED. THIS ELECTRICAL NEEDS TO BE FIXED, THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED. THIS, THERE WAS NO TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. INFESTATION. THERE WAS ONE OF THE CODES THAT SAYS INFESTATION. WE NEVER EVEN TALKED ABOUT THAT. LIKE I SAID, THREE THINGS WERE TALKED ABOUT THAT DAY. THE PLUMBING WERE, THERE WAS A LEAK WHERE OUR WATER WAS JUST DRIPPING. IT WASN'T EVEN A LEAK, IT WAS JUST THE LITTLE DROPS. THE SECOND ONE WAS THE OUTSIDE PLACEMENT OF STUFF. THE THIRD ONE WAS, THERE WAS A MISSING PLATE FOR THE ELECTRICAL BOX. THAT'S THE ONLY THING PRO NOT NOTICE THAT I GOT. PERIOD. THEN AFTER THAT ON JANUARY 30TH IS WHEN I GOT THE REST OF IT. BUT SINCE THEN EVERYTHING HAS BEEN, I COMPLIED WITH EVERYTHING SINCE THEN. MR. ANDERSON, ANOTHER THE QUESTION. YEAH, COUNSEL NOW. OKAY, BECAUSE SHE SIT DOWN NOW. SHE JUST SAID IT AGAIN. YEAH, YOU CAN. SHE JUST SAID IT AGAIN THAT SHE WAS NOTIFIED ON THE REST OF THIS ON THE 30TH, WHICH IS NOT FACT. THE 16TH SAYS SHE WAS NOTIFIED ON THE 16TH. 'CAUSE SHE SIGNED IT. THE 30TH IS IN THIS OTHER LETTER. THE 27TH. HERE, GIVE OR TAKE IT DOESN'T MATTER. UM, WITH THAT, WE'RE NOT HERE JUST FOR A CITY CODE BECAUSE WE'RE, AS YOU KNOW, ARE QUAD JUDICIAL. MR. ES, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO ASK A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY TO THE ISSUE. IT IS, WAS THERE A NOTICE ISSUED? LEMME GET TO IT. IT STATES AND YOUR CLIENT SAID IT AGAIN THAT YOU RECEIVED OR SHE RECEIVED PROPER NOTICE ON THE 16TH WITH A, A FOLLOW UP. SO YOUR OWN EVIDENCE IS AGAINST YOUR ARGUMENT. NO, IT IS NOT, SIR. BUT I, I APPRECIATE YOUR POSITION. THERE WAS NO QUESTION POSED, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO, TO ANSWER. UM, I WANT TO MAKE FOR NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT EVERY CODE OF ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT ISSUED A CITATION IS NOT HERE TODAY. AM I WRONG MR. CHAIR? I I I WANT TO AGAIN CLARIFY. THERE IS AT NO POINT IN TIME ANY ISSUE AS TO WHETHER A CODE OFFICER ISSUED A, A CITATION BECAUSE THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD IS WHETHER NOTICE WAS PROPER. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REMIND COUNSEL AND THE BOARD THAT THERE'S FIVE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. AND AND I WILL SAY FOR THIS, MR. BURGESS, YOU DID ASK, OR MR. ANDERS ASKED THAT QUESTION PREVIOUSLY. YOU DID ANSWER IT PREVIOUSLY. UH, SO WE ACCEPT BOTH ANSWERS AS YOU HAVE STATED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY MADE OUR OBJECTION, UH, THE ABSOLUTE, THE SCOPE. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. UH, I DON'T SEE ANY POINT IN ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. WE MAY HAVE, UH, 30 SECONDS WITH MY CLIENT. I WANNA SEE IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK. CERTAINLY, YOU MAY HAVE 30 SECONDS WITH YOUR CLIENT. THANK YOU. UH, MR. YES, MR. THANK YOU. UM, MRS. LOUIS IS GONNA GIVE A CLOSING STATEMENT. SHE'S GONNA USE THE INTERPRETER, [02:10:01] UM, UH, THE OTHERS DON'T WANNA SPEAK, AND THEN WE'LL JUST ASK THAT TO PUT THE ISSUE BEFORE THE BOARD. YES, SIR. THAT IS FINE. THANK YOU. I, I, MR. BOARD, I, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. AND I, I UNDERSTAND MR. BURGESS AND I, BY NO MEANS AM I TRYING TO GO ABOVE HIS HEAD, BUT THIS IS, UM, UM, AN OPEN MEETING. THERE IS, THERE ARE PUBLIC COMMENTS IF PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS. I UNDERSTAND THAT I, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU REPRESENT EVERY SINGLE PERSON OVER THERE, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT IS OPEN FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE ONE. AND WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT, UH, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A CUSTOMER WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. BUT AT THIS TIME, WE'D LIKE TO ASK MS. ANN LOUIE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD WITH THE INTERPRETER AND COUNSEL, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THEIR MIND IF YOU SO WANT TO LET THEM CHANGE THEIR MIND. MR. CHAIR, FOR THE RECORD, BUT I'M AFTER MS. UM, AFTER THE OWNER SPEAKS, WHAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO DO IS CALL UP THE REMAINING PERSONS AND LET THEM STATE THAT THEY DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON. VERY GOOD. I WILL DO THAT. MY NAME . I, UM, SINCE MY HUSBAND PASSED AWAY, LET ME, UH, I'M SORRY. THE PROCEDURE, LET ME ASK HER TO STATE HER NAME AND HER HOME ADDRESS. MY NAME IS ANN, A NN LOUIS, L-O-U-I-E. 38 0 3. 38 0 8. NO. 3 38 0 3 38 0 3. HAPPY'S CORNER. HAP HAPPY CANNER CORNER. THANK YOU, MA'AM. GO AHEAD WITH YOUR TESTIMONY, PLEASE. I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING IS, I COME HERE FOR 40, 60 YEAR. I NEVER, NEVER EVER EXAMINED IT LIKE THAT. SEE SOMETHING THAT I DON'T SEE THAT THEY, THAT THEY, I GO TO WORK. I'M 76 YEARS OLD. I JUST, I WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY. MY HUSBAND JUST PASSED AWAY AND ME AND MY DAUGHTER HELPING ME. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HARD WORK, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, , I WANNA LET, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW. I WANT TELL, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW, DAMN GUY COULD THEY GOT THE, HIM TRIPPING WHY THERE ARE 17 CARS OUT THERE. AND THEN TELL EVERYBODY, OH, MY CUSTOMER, CUSTOMER, GO AWAY. GO AWAY. YOU ALL CAN COME BACK. AND THAT'S HIM TO DOING IT. AND, AND EVEN THOUGH DON'T, DON'T MAKE MY EMPLOYEE COME IN, I HAVE TO STANDING ON IT. NOBODY CAN SAY ANYTHING UPSET THEM. NOBODY SAY ANYTHING. AND HE EVEN TAKE, HE, UM, ALSO KICK OUT MY ATTORNEY. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU HERE. UH, THIS ONE. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? SAY YOUR NAME. UH, MY NAME IS OU. I'M HER INTERPRETER TODAY. YEAH. BECAUSE ALL MY FAMILY, UH, HE EVEN KICK OUT HER ATTORNEY. YEAH. BUT, BUT THEN MY ATTORNEY ARGUE WITH HIM. WHY ARE YOU BEING, I TRIED 17 CAR OUT THERE, 37 PEOPLE ALL OVER THERE, AND I FOUND OUT I SAID SOMETHING WRONG. THEY WANTED TO 37 PEOPLE. THEY WANT TO GET ALL THE, THE, THE BUILDING OUT THERE THINKING ON IT. DO THAT, DO THAT. HONEY, I GOT HYPER PRESSURE THE NEXT DAY THEY WANNA TAKE ME TO THE HOSPITAL AND I ANXIETY, BUT I GO. AND THEN MY, I DON'T WANT TO GO. BUT I DID GO AFTER THAT. I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I COME HERE FOR MY HUSBAND, [02:15:03] MY HUSBAND TO, TO PASS AWAY. I MARRIED TO HIM FOR 56 YEARS. WE DON'T HAVE NOTHING. I WORK 18 DAYS, A HOUR 18, TO BUILD UP WHAT I AM. WHEN NOW MY HUSBAND IS GONE. MY DAUGHTER IS THE ONLY ONE I HIRE ATTORNEY. THEY WANT ME TO FIT THE WHOLE, EVERY LIGHT COURT MONEY. THEY FIT ME. THE PLUMBING, THE PANTS, THEY, THEY BUY THE LIGHT BANDING, LIGHT THINKING ON IT, EVERYTHING. I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. I ONLY HAVE THE SOCIAL SECURITY. WHAT I DO IS TAKE THE THING OUT. MY, EVEN MY SON IN HOUSTON, THEY BOTH, FOUR PEOPLE, FOUR CHILDREN. MOM, DON'T WORRY. I GOT THE MONEY TO FOLLOW. MY HUSBAND DIED. I ONLY VISIT THE SOCIAL SECURITY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ANYMORE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY HATE ME. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR. NOT SECOND TIME, NOT THE THIRD TIME. HE WANT ME TO CLOSE UP ALL THE LIVESTOCK. DO NOT SELL IT BECAUSE THEY FIND A REAL TIN. THEY GOLDFISH. THEY SAID THEY SICK. RIGHT NOW ON THIS TIME, THEY WANT ME TO MOVE ALL ANIMAL, EVERYTHING SOMEWHERE ELSE. WHY WE, WE SO GOOD ON IT? WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? I'M SEVEN, SIX OLD. I DEPEND ON THE PASTOR. MY DAUGHTER IS WITH ME ON I, OKAY. WHY PEOPLE HATE, WHY PEOPLE HATE ME SO MUCH. YEAH. APPEAL OPEN THE DOOR. OKAY. UH, THEY ASKED ME TO FIX A LOT OF STUFF AND SAY, UH, HE, SHE CAN ONLY APPEAL ONE YEAR LATER AFTER FACING EMBASSY ONE YEAR. MM-HMM. . WHAT DON'T YOU WANT ME TO DO? GET THE STREET. MY FOUR CHILDREN LOVE ME SO MUCH, EVEN THOUGH MY, MY SON IN HOUSTON HAVE JUST A BABY. HE COME HERE JUST, OKAY, ME. ALRIGHT. MY DAUGHTER STAY WITH ME IN THE HOSPITAL FOR ONE DAY. I'M ANXIETY. I AM JUST, I TAKE Y AM I TAKE PILL TO SURVIVE. I, I WORK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. I DID NOT WANT MY DAUGHTER TO DO IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME, SECOND TIME, THIRD TIME. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. 35 PEOPLE IN THE PASTOR DOOR. I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I PEN, I, I DON'T KNOW PEOPLE GANG ON IT. I, I, I FAINT. I FAINT. I FAINT IN THE FLOOR. UH, SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO GET INTO HER STORE. 18 CAR OUT THERE. OKAY? 37 PEOPLE AROUND ME. I HAVE TO HOLD IT. THEY DON'T EVEN TAKE, LET MY EMPLOYEE GO IN. AND HE KICKED MY ATTORNEY. THE, THE, MY ATTORNEY TRIED TO HELP ME. MY ATTORNEY'S SCARED. AND HE, WHEN HE COME OUT, WHEN I COME OUT, HE TELL MY DAUGHTER, TELL YOUR MOM TO COME OUT. SHE CANNOT MAKE IT. THREE DAYS AGO, THEY GO TO THE, THE MEETING. MY ATTORNEY SAY, DON'T TAKE YOUR MOM. HE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT. HE'S NOT GOING TO MAKE IT. OKAY. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME SELL THE PET STORE. HE WANT ME TO GET ALL [02:20:01] THE ANIMAL OUT HERE. WHY, WHERE HAVE YOU WANT ME TO GO TO? OKAY. I COULD NOT DEPEND ON MY SOCIAL SECURITY. I COULD NOT DEPEND. MY FOUR CHILDREN GIVE ME THE MONEY. I WANT TO GET MY OWN. ONLY ONE THING THAT PLEASE HELP ME OUT WHENEVER THEY, WHENEVER THEY TAKE, I FIX IT. ATTORNEY FIT, LIGHT BILL, SCANNING EVERYTHING PENDING. YOU SHOULD HAVE SHE HONEY, GIVE HIM THE PIC THE PICTURE RIGHT NOW. SO THAT WHENEVER THAT YOU ALL SEE THE BACKGROUND THAT IS JUST WALK IN. MS. LOUIS, I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU. OKAY. JUST WALK IN. THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T SAY, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T THE WORD MOM. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU IS BECAUSE THE ISSUE, PLEASE DON'T, DON'T, WE ARE LOOKING AT IS ONLY THE ISSUE OF THE NOTICE AND NOT THE ISSUE OF THE ANIMALS, PER SE. UH, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE WORKED OVER 40 YEARS ON THE BUSINESS THAT WE HOPE STAYS IN BUSINESS. YEAH. OKAY. WE'RE, WE'RE VERY GLAD TO HEAR THAT. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HEARD IT. BECAUSE ALL THAT SHE'S RECEIVED IS HATE DAVID. THAT THAT'S AN INTERPRETATION FROM EVERYTHING. THE ISSUE PRIMARILY IS, IS IT SAFE, IS IT ACCORDING TO CODE? AND IF IT'S SAFE AND ACCORDING TO CODE, THEN THE CITY IS GOING TO BE HAPPY. AND SIR, WE, WE'VE, THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE HAD TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THAT THIS BOARD HAS IS, IS IT PROPERLY ISSUED NOTICE WHENEVER THEY WANT US TO DO, WE ALREADY DO IT. AND THAT'S WHAT VIVIAN SAID IS, I MEAN THAT THE LIGHT ALREADY STILL THERE. THE PLUMBING IS PAD, EVERYTHING IS OKAY, JUST LIKE THE BRAND NEW DOOR. AND, BUT NOW THEY STILL WANT ME TO GET THEM, MOVE THE THING. YEP. OKAY. AND VIVIAN HAS DEMONSTRATED TO THAT IN DIRECTIONS. I JUST DON'T WANT MY HUSBAND DID TO ME. I JUST DON'T WANT TO. MA'AM, WILL YOU ASK HER IF SHE NEEDS SOME WATER? NO, SHE'S FINE. LET HER GO SIT DOWN. LET'S GO SIT DOWN. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COUNSEL, I'M GONNA LET, LET ME GO DOWN THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WILL COME UP AND STATE THAT, THAT THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. SURE. BEFORE I LET YOU MAKE YOUR CLOSING COMMENTS, THEY WANNA SPEAK. I'D LIKE TO. OKAY. I'M GONNA ASK THEM TO COME UP AND STATE THEIR NAME BECAUSE PROCEDURES AND FOR THE RECORD, UH, CEL, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FIRST SINCE YOU'RE ON MY LIST. NEXT STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND WHETHER YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY STATEMENTS OR NOT. CELESTE PAR ALLEY 1 0 1 1. MISTY NOLL. UM, YES, I DO JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT. OKAY. ON BEHALF OF MY, MY FAMILY. UM, BASED ON THE QUESTION, IS IT, YOU KNOW, TO DELIVER PROPERTY, IN MY OPINION, NO. IT WASN'T. WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS MY MOTHER ON THE, ON THE 16TH. RIGHT. UM, THEY, SHE WAS TOLD ONE THING, BUT WHAT WAS WRITTEN WAS POSSIBLY ADDED ON. RIGHT. AND IT WASN'T WHEN YOU ARE IN FRONT OF AUTHORITIES, UM, AND AT THAT POSITION IN, IN THEIR, IN THEIR LIFETIME, THEY ARE SCARED AT THAT MOMENT. AND SO I BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE FACT THAT THERE WERE THINGS THAT WAS ADDED ON TO THE DOCUMENT THAT MIGHT HAVE POSSIBLY, THEY WEREN'T DISCUSSED UNTIL THE 30TH. WERE YOU PRESENT FOR THAT VISIT? I WAS NOT. OKAY. BUT BASED OFF OF WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING, THAT IS JUST MY OPINION. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW I FEEL THAT THIS SHOULD BE. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. I CANNOT ASK YOU GUYS QUESTIONS, BUT ALL I SAY IS WHAT HAPPENS IF IT WASN'T DELIVERED PROPERLY, IF IT WAS VERBALLY DELIVERED, WHICH IS NOT ON THAT RIGHT THERE, BUT IT WAS WRITTEN AND SHE WAS SCARED BECAUSE THE AUTHORITY WAS PRESENT. IS IT POSSIBLE? IS IT, IS THAT COMMON, MR. CHAIR, I'M GONNA STOP US RIGHT NOW. IT IS IMPROPER TO POSE ANY QUESTIONS TO MR. COURT? I I DID NOT THINK QUESTION. SHE'S ONLY STATING IT AS A RHETORICAL QUESTION. GOTCHA. I'M GONNA LET HER THAT'S FINE. I, THEN I TAKE IT BACK. OKAY. UM, SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SHE AT THAT MOMENT WAS NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS GOING ON, WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN FRONT OF HER? SHE, YOU KNOW, A LAW ABIDING A CITIZEN THAT JUST THE, THE WHOEVER PRESENTED IT TO HER JUST SAID, SIGN THIS. AND I'M GONNA STOP YOU IF I MAY, AND LET THE BOARD ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU SINCE YOU MADE AN ACTUAL STATEMENT. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF SICE? YES, MA'AM. UM, THIS IS FRED ANDERSON. YOU STATED THAT YOUR MOTHER SIGNED THE DOCUMENTS. I BELIEVE SO. IF I READ, I SAW YOUR, DID MY MOTHER SIGN THIS DOCUMENT? PARDON ME? MY MOTHER SIGNED THE DOCUMENT. MY MOTHER SIGNED THE DOCUMENT. NO, MY MOTHER DIDN'T SIGN THE DOCUMENT. HOW WOULD SHE KNOW THIS? I DUNNO. SHE STATED, AND, AND I ASK HER THE QUESTION BECAUSE SHE STATED THAT HER MOTHER SIGNED THE DOCUMENT, SO YES, SIR. AND SHE DID NOT. OKAY. SO I'M NOT UNDER, THAT'S, SHE'S, UH, MAKING AN [02:25:01] ASSUMPTION OF A STATEMENT AND I'M CLARIFYING THE FACTS OF THAT STATEMENT. THAT'S ALL IT WAS. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. YES. AND AS I SAID, AND BEFORE, IT'S, IN MY OPINION, BASED OFF OF THE THINGS I HEARD TODAY, RIGHT? THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED ON THE 16TH. MAYBE MY MOTHER DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS WRITTEN, BUT SHE ONLY WENT BY WHAT WAS DISCUSSED ON THAT DAY. AND SO THERE MAY BE A CONFUSION ON THAT. AND THAT'S WHY, IN MY OPINION, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS APPOINTED CORRECTLY. MR. AGAIN, YOUR MOTHER, MR. ANDES. I I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO ASK A QUESTION. RIGHT? RIGHT. MAKE A POINT. YOU'RE MAKING THE ASSUMPTION YOUR MOTHER WAS THERE WHEN YOU'RE, I'M NOT SURE IF SHE'S YOUR SISTER OR SHE'S MY MOTHER, RIGHT? SHE'S THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE DOCUMENTS. QUESTION, PLEASE. YES. SO YOU ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS BASED OFF OF WHAT YOUR FEELINGS WERE WITHOUT ASKING HER ANYTHING? NO, SIR. BASED ON THE INFORMATION SHE PROVIDED THIS MORNING AND BEFORE, PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS ON THE 16TH ONLY CERTAIN THINGS WERE DISCUSSED AND BASED OFF OF THE AUTHORITIES AND HER BEING SCARED AND NOT UNDERSTANDING, SHE DECIDED TO SIGN WITHOUT UN LIKE, ACTUALLY READING. AND TO BE HONEST, THAT HANDWRITING IS PRETTY BAD. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO THERE MIGHT BE, I'M I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU. I'M SORRY, SISE, BECAUSE YOU ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND RATHER THAN LISTENING TO ASSUMPTIONS, I ONLY WANT FACTS. IF YOU CAN GIVE ME JUST THE FACTS. SURE. SOUNDS LIKE JOE FRIDAY. COUNSEL, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S MY AGE. I TELL YOU THAT QUICK. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OF SICE? I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE AN AN OKAY, NOW YOU FINISH YOUR STATEMENT. GO AHEAD. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT PERSON IS SHERRY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. SHE DOESN'T WANNA SPEAK. YOU'LL, YOU'LL NEED TO COME FORWARD. PLEASE, IF YOU DON'T WANNA SPEAK, BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE LIST, JUST COME UP, GIVE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS AND SAY YOU DON'T WANNA SPEAK. YOU'RE ALREADY ON THE LIST. AND IT'S ON THE RECORD. UH, MY NAME IS SHERRY WAGGY. I'M THE DAUGHTER, UH, AND I DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK. AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. OH, MY ADDRESS, UH, 2 6 0 1 0. QUIET DRIVE. THANK YOU. AND YOU DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK. I DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. AND TERRY LOIE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. AND TERRY ALSO STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. YEAH, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. UH, TERRY LOUIE, UH, I LIVE IN HOUSTON. SHE'S THE SON I KEEP REFERENCING. I LIVE AT 1 1 2 EAST 26TH STREET, UH, IN HOUSTON, TEXAS. UH, SO I'LL TRY TO, TRY TO STICK TO THE, THE ISSUE AT HAND OR, UH, OF THE NOTICE. BUT I, I DO THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT, UH, AND RELEVANT TO SPEAK TO OUR EXPERIENCE SO FAR, UH, WITH, UH, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN COMING TO OUR PET STORE. UM, BUT I, I DO WANNA PUT ON THE RECORD THAT OUR, OUR FAMILY AND OUR BUSINESS IS INCREDIBLY FLEXIBLE. WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT. UH, WE JUST WANNA STAY OPEN. WE'RE A MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILY. IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR YEARS. UM, I'VE GOT TWO LITTLE KIDS. THEY, THEY LOVE THE PET STORE. THEY LOVE GOING TO THE PET STORE. THEY LOVE MY MOM. THEY LOVE GRANDMA. THEY WANT TO BE JUST LIKE GRANDMA WHEN THEY GROW UP. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE OVER THAT PET STORE FOR, FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. UM, I, I WANNA SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, THOUGH, ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCE SO FAR WITH I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GONNA SHARE THE EXPERIENCE, SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH THE NOTICE. OH, YEAH, SURE. WELL, SO IT IS RELATIVE TO THE NOTICE AND HOW IT HAS BEEN DELIVERED ARE, ARE OUR FEELINGS RELATIVE TO THE, UM, TO THE DELIVERY AND HOW OUR FAMILY HAS EXPERIENCED THAT, THAT NOTICE AND DELIVERED AND, AND RECEIVED THAT NOTICE. I, I FIND THAT TO BE SOMEWHAT RELEVANT. UM, SO, AND, AND THIS IS, THIS IS MY TAKE. AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MY FAMILY. I LIVE IN HOUSTON. THIS IS MY, MY THIRD TIME IN HOUSTON. OVER THE PAST THREE WEEKS, I'LL BE BACK AGAIN THIS WEEKEND. WE ARE A VERY CLOSE KNIT FAMILY. UH, UH, WE DO FEEL THAT THIS PROCESS AND HOW THEY'VE DELIVERED NOTICE, UH, AND THESE CODES, UH, OVER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, UH, I DON'T THINK THE THE TWO YEARS IS, IS RELEVANT AT ALL. 'CAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN TWO YEARS THAT THEY'VE BEEN DELIVERING THESE NOTICES. UM, IT'S A BUSINESS THAT'S CONSTANTLY EVOLVING. WE'RE CONSTANTLY REPAIRING. IT IS A VERY OLD BUILDING. UH, BUT OUR EXPERIENCE SO FAR HAS BEEN DEGRADING. IT HAS BEEN DISCRIMINATING EVERY TIME THEY COME TO THE PET STORE. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO US TO CALL IT A, A DART RATE PER SE. BUT IT WAS, UM, INTIMIDATING. I MEAN, WHEN YOU'VE GOT MY MOM AND SISTER HERE SHOW UP WITH OVER 20 AUTHORITY VEHICLES AT THE PET STORE, UH, SOME OF THOSE WERE ARMED OFFICERS, RIGHT. MR. CHAIR, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA STOP US. I, I'LL STOP. I'M GONNA STOP US. OKAY. I'LL STOP IT, COUNSEL. THANK YOU. UH, AGAIN, WE JUST FEEL IT WAS, UH, NOTICE. OKAY, NOTICE ON, ON THE NOTICE. YES. SO, JUST STICKING TO THAT, UM, I, I THINK JUST, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW I CAN KEEP THAT RELEVANT. I HAD OLD SPEECH HERE BUILT UP FOR YOU GUYS, BUT , UM, I, OKAY. SO JUST THE NOTICE ON THE ISSUANCE. I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE BEEN DELIVERING NOTICES BEFORE MY DAD THAT HAS PASSED THREE YEARS AGO. UM, HIGHLY RESPECTFUL MEMBER OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY, JUST LIKE OUR STEAM BOARD MEMBERS ARE HERE TODAY. UM, NAVY VETERAN, UH, MASTER MASON. JUST THE WAY HE WOULD APPROACH THE CITY WAS [02:30:01] ALWAYS TO PARTNER. UH, AND THAT'S OUR INTENT HERE IS, IS TO PARTNER AND MAKE THIS RIGHT AND, AND STAY OPEN. I ACKNOWLEDGE THE INTENT BECAUSE VIVIAN HAS MADE IT REAL CLEAR, NOT ONLY BY TESTIMONY, BY OUR ACTIONS. YEAH. AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THE INTENT. THANKS. SO THE ISSUE ONLY IS NOTICE. AND, AND YOU, AND YOU CAN TELL HERE THAT THE PASSION THAT MY FAMILY HAS ABSOLUTELY. UM, AND, AND THE, THE FAMILY ORIENTED, UM, RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE JUST HAVE. SO ABSOLUTELY A SMALL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP. WE JUST WANNA STAY OPEN. I THINK THE SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS, IS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN, AND THE BIG CORPORATIONS COMING AND GOBBLING US UP. YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE KEEP, UH, THE SUPPORT ALIVE. AND WE JUST FIND, WE HOPE THAT YOU FIND THE, THE, THE KINDNESS AND THE, UH, THE COMPASSION IN YOUR HEARTS TO HELP SUPPORT US IN, IN KEEPING US OPEN. WE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, UM, AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS THOMAS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM. SORRY. TERRY. TERRY. TERRY? SURE. QUESTION. THERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU, TERRY. OH, OKAY. SURE. THIS IS THOMAS. SO WE'VE HEARD FOR THE LAST HOUR AND A HALF ABOUT THAT THIS WASN'T SERVED PROPERLY. RIGHT? THE NOTICE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT NOBODY IS ANSWERED IS WHAT, IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT IS PROPER? UH, I'M GONNA DIVERT TO OUR CASTLE ON THIS ONE. THIS IS, UH, IT'S THE PUBLIC SPEAKING PART OF THIS. SO, UM, IT'S JUST, UH, ONE END OF MY, ON MY SIDE. SO IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER, HE'S WELCOME TO YOUR OPINION IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING. SURE. YEAH. I'M ASKING OPINION. I'M NOT ASKING FOR COUNSEL IN YOUR PERSONAL OPINION. SURE. WHAT DO YOU THINK, MR. FRANKS? YEAH. NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, DELIVERED APPROPRIATELY. THANK. ALL RIGHT. I GOT IT. MR. ANDERSON. I GOT IT. SO, BUT WHY? THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, RIGHT? SO WHY DO YOU THINK IT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY? YEAH. AT, AT THE, IN, IN, AT THE RISK OF SAYING ANYTHING INCRIMINATING. AGAIN, I'M GONNA DEFER TO COUNSEL HERE AND JUST, UH, ON THE RECORD, COUNSEL, PLEASE, CAN YOU COME UP AND PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION? YEAH, SURE. THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. UH, WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP, TERRY, IN CASE SOMEBODY HAS ANOTHER QUESTION. I THINK WE MADE THIS CLEAR. UM, THIS IS A THREE MINUTE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S NOT Q AND A. UH, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS, BUT YOU CAN INTERROGATE THEM. WE DON'T FEEL THIS IS FAIR. ACKNOWLEDGE. COUNSEL, LET ME GO, GO TO THE QUESTION AT HAND IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. WE'VE BEEN TOLD THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING THAT THE SCOPE IS LIMITED TO WHETHER SERVICE WAS PROVIDED. WE DISAGREE WITH THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. WE DISAGREE WITH IT. NOW, IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO LIMIT THIS PROPERTY OWNER TO ALLOW HER TO GRIEVE A, A GOVERNMENT BODY. THE QUESTION THE BOARD ASKED WAS, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF HOW THE NOTICE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED? SO YOU'RE APPEALING THE NOTICE WE'RE APPEALING, WE'RE HERE TO APPEAL THE NOTICE AND FINDINGS. OKAY? WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO APPEAL THE FINDINGS. COUNSEL'S ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS. PLEASE STOP. OKAY, COUNSEL'S ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS. THE NOTICE MY QUESTION IS, IN YOUR OPINION, YOUR CLIENT'S OPINION, WHAT IS THE PROPER WAY THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SERVED? THE NOTICE EXACTLY WHAT I SHOWED YOU WITH THE, WITH THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION, THAT MAILED DOCUMENT THAT HAS IT, AND IT HAS A PARAGRAPH DESCRIPTION, NOT A CHECKBOX WHERE THEY JUST CHECK, SORRY, WHERE THEY JUST CHECK OFF EX UH, INTERIOR, UH, INTERIOR STRUCTURE OR CLEAN INTERIOR STRUCTURE. THAT'S NOT ADEQUATE. NOTICE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE REPEATING OURSELVES. WE'RE NOT ARGUING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE PAPER. WE'RE ARGUING THAT IT WASN'T FAIR NOTICE AS TO WHAT THE VIOLATION WAS. AGAIN, YOU SHOULD, THIS SHOULD NOT BE ADVERSARIAL. YOU SHOULD WANT THIS, YOU SHOULD WANT THE PROPERTY OWNER TO KNOW WHAT IT IS TO FIX. THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANT THIS. WE'RE NOT HERE TO FIGHT OVER OTHER THAN THIS LITTLE NOTICE WAS, WAS ADEQUATE, OR WE HAVE AN ARGUMENT THAT IT WASN'T. AND THAT'S OUR POINT. WE CAME HERE TO ADDRESS THE ACTUAL VIOLATIONS. YOU SHOULDN'T WANT US TO COME HERE AGAIN AND, AND, AND ADDRESS THE VIOLATIONS. THIS IS OUR APPEAL, OKAY? WE DEFINE THE SCOPE OF IT. YOU ARE CITIZENS. I'M A CITIZEN. THEM PUBLIC SERVANTS, THEY WORK FOR US. SO FOR THEM TO CONTINUALLY INTERRUPT AND SAY, NO, NO, NO, YOU CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT THIS. APPARENTLY NOT TRUE. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW THEIR ADVICE AND WE'LL ADDRESS THIS LATER. I, I YOU'VE BEEN HINT FROM COUNSEL WHEN YOU WANNA STEP IN THOUGH YOU'VE BEEN MR. CHAIR. I, I THANK YOU. I I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING. ALTHOUGH WE ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS, WE ARE ALSO CITIZENS ALSO. SECONDLY, UM, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS COUNSEL, MR. BURGESS AND HIS DOCUMENTATION IS IN HERE THAT FILED THIS APPEAL. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TITLE OF HIS APPEAL, HIS, HIS NOTICE TO APPEAL, NOTICE OF VIOLATION, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO. [02:35:01] UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, AND, UM, I DO BELIEVE IN, IN, UM, BASED ON ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER AND, AND OPEN RECORD, AND, EXCUSE ME, AN OPEN MEETINGS ACT. COUNSEL ON BOTH SIDES CAN ASK QUESTIONS. IF MR. BURGESS HAS A QUESTION FOR COUNSEL IN REG, EXCUSE ME, FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT IN REGARDS TO WHETHER NOTICE HE HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK THAT QUESTION. I WILL POSE THIS QUESTION TO MR. BURGESS, WHETHER HE WANTS TO ASK IT OR NOT, IN REGARDS TO WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THAT NOTICE IS PROPER. UM, YOU DO INDICATE THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT CHECK MARK, UM, IS, IS SUFFICIENT. BUT, UM, YOU HAVE FAILED TO RESPOND OR, OR COMMENT ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WHERE IT STATES, UM, 3 0 5 0.3 INTERIOR SURFACES. ADDITIONAL COMMENT SAYS, NEED TO REPAIR ALL INTERIOR DAMAGED SURFACES. AND THEN IN PARENTHESES IT SAYS, WALLS AND CEILINGS. ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT NOTICE? YES, I THINK THEY'VE MADE THAT CLEAR. AND AGAIN, OKAY. I, I JUST WANTED, I I I DID WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION AND I WILL LET YOU CONTINUE. UM, WHERE IT SAYS, NEED TO COMPLY WITH INFESTATION, NEED TO REMOVE BLOCKING OF WINDOWS AND DOORS, THAT'S, UH, S-A-P-M-C MEANS OF, UM, EGRESS. DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT IS PROPER NOTICE? UM, AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN ADDITION TO THE CHECK MARKS THAT YOU ARE ARGUING OR AREN'T SUFFICIENT? I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. UM, MEANS OF EGRESS, UH, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. THERE HAS TO BE A CLEAR PATHWAY FROM THE INTERIOR STRUCTURE TO AN OUTSIDE EXIT. THEIR VIOLATION WAS THAT THEY HAD, UM, STACKS OF, UH, LIKE, LIKE TWO BY FOURS MATERIALS IN FRONT OF A WINDOW. THE WINDOW DOESN'T OPEN. IT'S GOT BARS ON THE EXTERIOR. IT'S NOT A MEANS OF EGRESS. THEY WERE VIOLATED FOR THIS. REMOVE THE BILLING MATERIALS FROM IN FRONT OF THAT WINDOW. AGAIN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR. THERE HAS BEEN NO VIOLATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED, NO EVIDENCE OF ANY VIOLATION. THESE ARE NOTICES OF VIOLATION. WHAT, AND AGAIN, THE ARGUMENT ISN'T WHETHER HE BELIEVES THAT IT'S A VIOLATION OR NOT. THE QUESTION IS, DOES THAT PROVIDE YOU ACTUAL NOTICE OF THE ALLEGED VIOLATION THAT THEY ARE GIVING YOU NOTICE OF? ARE YOU STATING TO THIS BOARD THAT IT IS NOT SUFFICIENT? NOTICE YES OR NO? WELL, YOU, THAT'S A DOUBLE NEGATIVE. BUT YES, BECAUSE IF YOU JUST SAY MEANS OF EGRESS, THERE'S A VIOLATION AND YOU DON'T SHOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT WINDOW, THAT'S NOT PROPER. NOTICE, WE'RE BACK TO THESE VAGUE DEFACTO, UH, POSITIONS THAT, THAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS KNOWN FOR, TO SAY MEANS OF EGRESS, THAT'S A VIOLATION. UH, IF YOU SHOW THAT, IF, IF THEY PUT POINTED THE WINDOW AND WE WE BLOCK A WINDOW THAT WE THINK IS A MEAN OF EGRESS, THAT WOULD BE PROPER NOTICE. BECAUSE THEN WE KNOW WHICH EXIT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR OR FIVE THAT ARE IN THAT BUILDING, FRONT DOOR, BACK DOOR, SIDE DOOR. UH, SO TO JUST SAY MEANS OF EGRESS. NO ONE, NO ONE KNOW. YOU WON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO FIX IT? SO IT WAS A VERY GOOD POINT. IT'S INVALID NOTICE TO HAVE SUCH GENERALIZED TERMS. I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. BY NO MEANS HAVE YOU RESPONDED TO THE QUESTION OF NEED TO REMOVE BLOCKING OF WINDOWS AND DOORS AGAIN, YOU ARE CORRECT. UM, UH, MEANS OF EGRESS CAN, CAN, BUT I I'M ASKING YOU WHETHER BASED ON THE CHECK MARKS THAT YOU SAY ARE NOT SUFFICIENT IN ADDITION TO THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, WOULD, ARE YOU STILL CLAIMING, DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT IS STILL SUFFICIENT AND PROPER NOTICE? YES, THAT'S BEEN OUR POSITION ALL MORNING. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU CAN'T JUST SAY FIX ELECTRICAL HAZARDS. YOU CAN'T JUST SAY OBTAIN PERMITS. THAT'S NOT ADEQUATE. NOTICE YOU GUYS AS PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD NOT STAND FOR THAT IF THEY CAME TO YOUR HOUSE. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE FAIR NOTICE OF A VIOLATION. AND THAT'S OUR POSITION. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICE WAS 5% OF OUR ARGUMENT. OUR REAL CONCERN IS THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE THAT WE'VE REPAIRED THESE VIOLATIONS. SO IT'S POINTLESS TO TALK ABOUT MR. BURGESS. ISN'T IT FAIR THAT YOU DID NOT APPEAL ANY FINDINGS THAT YOU APPEALED A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, ISN'T IT, ISN'T IT YOU THAT INITIATED THIS APPEAL THAT AGAIN, YOU CLAIM AND YOUR DOCUMENT STATE THAT YOU WERE APPEALING A NOTICE OF VIOLATION? THERE WASN'T EVEN A FINDING OF A VIOLATION AT THE TIME YOU FILED THIS APPEAL. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE EXPIRATION OF 10 DAYS HADN'T EVEN HAPPENED. ISN'T THAT CORRECT, MR. BURGESS? WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF DATES. SO I GOTTA GO BACK ON 10 DAYS. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DART RAID? NO, MR. BURGESS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. AGAIN, THE NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS WERE ISSUED ON THE 16TH OF JANUARY. AND I BELIEVE IN YOUR DOC, YOUR LETTER THAT YOU WROTE TO THE BOARD, EXCUSE ME, UH, YOU WROTE IN REGARDS TO REPRESENTATION, UM, IS DATED [02:40:01] THE 22ND. AND IT, AGAIN, IT IS NOTICE OF LEGAL REPRESENTATION, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU REPRESENT THE OWNER AND THE REQUEST TO APPEAL NOTICE OF VIOLATION. YOU DIDN'T PUT IN HERE, YOU WANTED TO APPEAL A VIOLATION BECAUSE AT THE TIME YOU FILED THIS OR YOU WROTE THE LETTER, THERE WAS NO VIOLATION. THERE WAS ONLY A NOTICE. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, 'CAUSE I I I THINK I'M GETTING WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM NOW, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, APPEAL A DETERMINATION THAT NOT HAS NOT YET BEEN MADE. SO ARE THERE VIOLATION NOTICES BEFORE THE BOARD THAT HAVE BEEN DETERMINED? ARE THERE DETERMINED VIOLATIONS? OTHERWISE, I'M, I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME. ARE THERE ANY NOTICES BEFORE THE BOARD OF THE ACTUAL FINDING OR DETERMINATION OF A CODE VIOLATION AND, AND YOU'RE ASKING A QUESTION OF THE BOARD OF THE BOARD'S NOT GONNA ANSWER THAT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT'S A, IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION. UH, SO IF YOU WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION TO COUNCIL, YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTION TO COUNCIL, THANK YOU. BECAUSE THE BOARD'S NOT GOING TO ANSWER THAT. I COULD TELL YOU THAT THE BOARD, EXCUSE ME. UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OBSERVED VIOLATION. THERE WAS NO, THAT THEY BELIEVED WAS A VIOLATION. THERE WAS NO, UM, ISSUING OF, UH, ANY VIOLATION. THERE WAS AN ISSUE OF A NOTICE OF VIOLATION. HEY, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A VIOLATION. WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO ADDRESS IT. WITHIN 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION OF 10 DAYS, YOU HAD ALREADY FILED YOUR APPEAL. AND YOUR APPEAL IS STATES THAT YOU WANT TO APPEAL THE NOTICE. YOU CAN APPEAL SOMETHING THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. YOU CAN APPEAL A VIOLATION THAT HADN'T HAPPENED YET. SO WHAT YOU DECIDED TO APPEAL IS THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE HERE. AND I APOLOGIZE IF EVERYBODY THINKS IT SHOULD BE MORE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU FILED. WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OUTSIDE THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE, THE REQUEST YOU MADE. I'M GONNA INTERRUPT THE REST OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND, AND ASK THE FAMILY SINCE ANN HAD TO LEAVE. I WANT HER TO BE ABLE TO HEAR IT UNLESS THE FAMILY TELLS ME IT'S OKAY TO PROCEED. OKAY, VERY GOOD. THEN WE WILL PROCEED. THANK YOU. SO, UH, COUNSEL, IF YOU HAD A CONTINUATION, HOLD ON. I, I'D, I'D LIKE COUNSEL, ARE YOU OKAY WITH US PROCEEDING OR WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO WAIT FOR HER? YES. THANK, THANK YOU FOR ASKING, BUT SHE'S, I CAN SEE HER COMING BACK RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE RESTROOM? YEAH, THAT'S THE RESTROOM RIGHT THERE. OH, SHE'S GOING INTO THE RESTROOM. WE CAN WAIT. WE CAN WAIT IF YOU'D LIKE TO. OKAY, LET'S WAIT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A BREAK. THERE'S A FEW MORE THAT NEEDS TO GO AS WELL. I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THE TIME IS NOW. TELL 1220. OKAY. THANK, IF YOU CAN FILL THE TIME IS 1220. THANK. AND WE'RE GOING TO RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE TIME IS NOW 1227 AND WE ARE GOING TO RECONVENE FROM RECESS. AND SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE, UH, NEXT PROCEDURE SUBJECT TO COUNSEL'S CONCURRENCE. YOUR COUNSEL'S CONCURRENCE, IS I'M GOING TO ASK ONE MORE, UH, PERSON TO COME UP WHO'S SIGNED TO SPEAK, AND THEN I'M GONNA GIVE COUNSEL A CHANCE TO CLOSE WITH A COMMENT. AND I'M GONNA GIVE CODE OFFICER A CHANCE TO CLOSE WITH A CLOSING COMMENT. AND VIVIAN, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE JUST BECAUSE I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO BE FAIR, FAIR IF YOU WOULD COME BACK UP IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER STATEMENT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE FIRST. UH, I I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S GONNA BE A REAL SHORT STATEMENT THOUGH. YES, SIR. I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN ADD, PLEASE. RIGHT, SIR, IF I COULD JUST, UH, RESPOND TO MR. THOMAS'S QUESTION OF MY, OH, OF MY AP. OH, VIVIAN LOUIS. UM, ADDRESS, UH, 10 11. MS. DINO, THANK YOU. IF I COULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS TO MY OPINION, IF WE WERE GIVEN PROPER NOTICE. UM, WAS THAT THE QUESTION, SIR? YES, IT WAS. OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY NO, UH, LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE WERE GIVEN NOTICE ON CERTAIN THINGS, I UNDERSTAND THAT AS, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, IF SOMETHING'S WRONG, YOU WALK AROUND WITH THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THIS, THIS, THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED. I GET THAT. I WAS ONLY GIVEN THREE OPTIONS TO DO THIS, TO FIX THIS, THIS, AND THIS. AS FAR AS EVERYTHING GO ELSE GOES AS FAR AS ELECTRICAL, THEY NEVER SHOWED ME THAT. SO AS FAR AS BEING, IF IN MY OPINION, IF THIS WAS SERVED PROPERLY, NO, BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS IS, IS GIVEN AS A VIOLATION OR A CODE. I WOULD'VE EASILY FIXED THAT. IF YOU TOLD ME, FIX THIS AND I'LL GET IT DONE WITHOUT A PROBLEM. BUT JUST TO BE ABLE TO SAY THIS, THIS, YOU GIVE ME THREE THINGS TO FIX AND THAT IS IT, AND YOU DON'T TELL ME. SO IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD THINK THAT CODE VIOLATIONS YOU NEED TO WALK AROUND WITH WHOEVER YOU'RE BEING, UH, GIVING VIOLATIONS TO TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, NOT JUST CERTAIN THINGS. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU SAY, THE REST OF THIS IS ON THE LIST. YOU, IT'S YOUR JOB TO READ THAT. GRANNY, YOU'RE CORRECT. AND MY DAUGHTER WAS CORRECT. [02:45:01] I WAS SCARED. WHEN YOU GET A DART RAID, PEOPLE COME IN AND THERE'S 1737 PEOPLE IN THERE. I'M GONNA SIGN PAPERS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. WHEN THE AUTHORITIES COME AND TELL YOU TO SIGN THESE PAPERS. I WAS GIVEN 10 SHEETS OF PAPER TO SIGN THAT DAY. THEY JUST SAID, SIGN IT. THESE ARE AUTHORITIES. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO BE IN A FIGHT WITH, BUT I'M TRYING TO ABIDE BY THE LAW. SO I DID SIGN IT. UH, BUT KNOWING THAT I ONLY HAD THREE THINGS TO FIX, THINK THREE THINGS THAT THEY SHOWED ME, THE OUTSIDE ABATEMENT STUFF, THE PLUMBING FROM THE LEAKING FAUCET. UH, I JUST THOUGHT FORGET. I'M SORRY, I FORGOT THE THIRD ONE. THE OUT THE OUTSIDE. BUT ANYWAYS, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IN ALL. THOMAS, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, IT DOES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND NOW THEN WE WILL GO INTO A, UH, PRESENTATION BY OUR ACTUAL TESTIMONY BY CHRIS HAYNES. PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. MY NAME IS CHRIS HAYNES. I LIVE AT 2 2 0 6 SANTA MONICA STREET. SO I'M A CUSTOMER. AND, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE, PARTICIPATE IN THIS AT THIS POINT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNSEL, IF YOU WOULD COME BACK UP AND MAKE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME BEFORE THE BOARD. I'M SORRY THIS TOOK SO LONG. UH, I'M SORRY. WE HAVE TO ARGUE OVER THIS LIMITED SCOPED ISSUE. UH, AGAIN, WE OBJECT TO BEING HAMSTRUNG, UH, IN AND SPEAKING TO A GOVERNING BODY. WE FEEL THAT'S A VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS AND IT'S GONE ON ALL DAY. UM, YOU'VE SEEN PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S PART OF YOUR NOTICE. I MEAN, YOU, THAT'S HOW YOU EDUCATE YOURSELF IS LOOK AT THE PICTURES AND LOOK AT THIS. AND, AND WE SEE IT EVERY, EVERY WEEK. YOU GET LOTS OF PICTURES AND YOU SHOULD, PICTURES ARE INFORMATIVE. WE HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO SEE THOSE PICTURES. THIS IS PART OF OUR, OUR OUR FAILURE TO PROPERLY NOTIFY ARGUMENT. IF THERE'S A, A VIOLATION, THERE'S A PARTICULAR OUTLET AND IT'S A PROBLEM, SEND US THE PICTURES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEND 'EM, UH, PROACTIVELY OR, OR AUTOMATICALLY, OR, OR TO EVERY SINGLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I'M NOT SAYING THIS SHOULD BE A, A ORDINANCE THAT YOU MUST PROVIDE THESE PICTURES, BUT WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER ASKS YOU FOR MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE VIOLATIONS, NOT SO THEY CAN ARGUE AGAINST IT. SO THEY CAN FIX IT. IT'S A VALUABLE, IT'S A VALID REQUEST. AND THAT'S OUR POINT IS WE'D ASKED, WE ACTUALLY ASKED FOR THE DART FILE, WHICH IS KEPT IN THE ECOSYSTEM. IT'S SUPPOSED TO COMPRISE OF EVERY VIOLATION FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT. OTHERWISE, WHY THE DART RATE? SO WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT SO WE COULD HAVE EVERY VIOLATION. EVEN IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FROM 2020 OR 2019, EVERYTHING WILL BE IN THERE. MR. CHAIR. YES. THIS IS LEGAL. AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A DART RAID. SECONDLY, AT NO POINT IN TIME IS THIS, AT NO POINT IN TIME IS THIS, UH, ISSUE, UM, IN REGARDS TO ANYTHING THAT THE DART UNIT DID. THIS IS AGAIN, IN RESPONSE TO COUNSEL'S APPEAL THAT HE FILED CHALLENGING. NOTICE THE VIOLATION. AND IF HE, IF HE WISHES TO, UM, ARGUE SOMETHING ELSE, THEN HE SHOULD HAVE WAITED TILL THERE WERE VIOLATIONS. BUT HE DID NOT. HE DECIDED TO FILE HIS, HIS, HIS, HIS NOTICE TO APPEAL THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. COUNSEL, CONTINUE. AND YOU THINK I WILL, I WILL CUT YOU OFF. IF IT DOES NOT DEAL WITH NOTICE, IT WOULD, IT DOESN'T STOP HIM FROM CUTTING ME OFF . NO, IT DOES NOT. NO MEAN, BUT HE'S COUNSEL. YEAH, IT, YEAH, BUT IT'S FUNNY. IT IS. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER ROBERT RULES. HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE RECOGNIZING HE HASN'T BEEN ALL WEEKEND. BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA PRESS THAT ISSUE. UH, BUT MY, AGAIN, WE WANT TO SHOW YOU THE AFTER PHOTOS. WE WANNA SAVE YOU TIME BY SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT OVER THIS. 'CAUSE IT'S FIXED. WE'VE BEEN HAMSTRUNG INTO SERVICE. I, I, AS I SAID, I WOULD INTERRUPT YOU BECAUSE I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN NOTICE, NOTICE, NOTICE. UH, I APPRECIATE THE FACT, HONESTLY, TO THE WHOLE FAMILY THAT YOU SAW SOMETHING REGARDLESS OF WHY IT WAS ISSUED, YOU TOOK CORRECTIVE ACTION. I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THEREFORE, UH, I THINK THAT YOU WANT TO DO THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH CITY CODE. I, I MEAN, I CAN STAND HERE AND, AND WATCH THE FAMILY AND ALL NOD, AND I BELIEVE THAT. BUT THE ISSUE BEFORE THE BOARD IS, DID THE BOARD, OR DOES THE BOARD BELIEVE THAT PROPER NOTICE WAS ISSUED? I ACCEPT THE FACT THAT YOU AND THE FAMILY DOES NOT BELIEVE IT WAS PROPER BECAUSE OF THE DESIRE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BUT TO THE BOARD WAS NOTICE ISSUED. AND ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT NOTICE REAL QUICKLY? NO, SIR. LET, LET'S SUBMIT THAT ISSUE FOR VOTE, WHETHER NOTICE WAS, WAS PROPER. UM, BUT [02:50:01] I'D ALSO LIKE TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT NONE OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT WROTE THESE NOTICES ARE HERE. AND WE'VE ASKED THEM TO BE, UH, IT'S PART OF THE PROCEDURE. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CROSS-EXAMINE THE, THE CITY EMPLOYEE AND THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE TO US. HOLD ON. EXCUSE ME. BOARD, THIS IS JENNY RAMIREZ. I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO REBUT THAT THE OFFICER WHO DID ISSUE THOSE NOTICES IS HERE. SHE'S NOT BEEN ASKED TO SPEAK, BUT MICHELLE DELGADO IS HERE IN THE ROOM. AND THAT IS THE, SHE'S RIGHT BEHIND THAT IS THE OFFICER WHO ISSUED THE NOTICES FOR, FOR THE JANUARY THE 16TH CASES. THANK YOU. I I WISH SOMEONE WOULD'VE LET US KNOW THAT SHE WAS HERE. AND I'M NOT GONNA RUN THIS FOR ANOTHER 90 MINUTES. NO, YOU'RE NOT. . LET'S PUT THIS FOR THE VOTE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE FOR IN THE RECORD, UM, IN THE, THE MEETING MINUTES, WHETHER WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED A TRANSCRIPT OF TODAY'S MEETING. I'LL PAY FOR IT AT OUR EXPENSE. I'D LIKE FOR THAT. FOR YOU. PROVIDED THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE TO GIVE TO COUNSEL. WOULD HE HAVE A COPY OF THE TRANSCRIPT FOR THE MEETING? YEAH, IT'S UP TO US. DON'T KNOW WHY NOT. I BELIEVE THAT'S AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST, BUT I, I COULD CONFIRM AND CHECK WITH THAT. AND MR. BURGESS, IF YOU AND I STAY IN CONTACT WITH, I'M SURE YOU WILL, EITHER ME OR SAVITA RYE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. OKAY. YOU COULD PUT THAT TO A VOTE. WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ALLOWED TO GET A TRANSCRIPT OF TODAY'S HEARING, WE WILL NOT PUT THAT TO VOTE, SIR. I'M SORRY. BECAUSE THE ONLY THING BEFORE THE BOARD IS, WAS NOTICE ISSUED. OKAY. AND WAS IT PROPER? UH, ACTUALLY NOT EVEN. WAS IT PROPER? WAS NOTICE ISSUED? UH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD REAL QUICK? WELL, WE'D LIKE TO PUT THE VOTE WITH PROPER NOTICE ISSUED. UH, UH, NO, SIR. WE'RE GONNA PUT IT WAS NOTICE ISSUED BECAUSE THE INTERPRETATION OF PROPER, THE BOARD CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHAT THEY THINK IS PROPER. AND ALL OF US WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION OF WHAT IS PROPER. SO IT WILL BE, WAS NOTICE ISSUED, UH, WILL BE AT LEAST WHAT THE CHAIRMAN IS RECOMMENDING. I WILL LEAVE THAT TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO MAKE THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION. WELL, THANK, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. IS EVERYONE HERE A BOARD MAYOR? 'CAUSE I SEE THERE'S SIX. I DON'T YEAH, PER HERE. UH, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE THINKING THERE'S SEVEN, WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE SEVEN TO HAVE A QUORUM. WE HAVE A QUORUM. SO THAT'S THE ISSUE. NO, I, I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE FIVE, BUT I, I, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE IN CASE THE VOTES, NORMAL BOARDS SPLIT. WHAT THEY WOULD DO IF WE WERE ALL PRESENT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, APPOINTMENTS PER SE. WE WOULD HAVE THE MAXIMUM OF SEVEN. ACTUALLY. WE'D HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 14, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE PANEL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THE FAMILY'S TIME ALSO. THOSE GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. THANK YOU. CHAIR. UH, THE CODE COMPLIANCE. WISH TO HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENT. JUST, UH, ON ISSUE OF THE NOTICE. EXCUSE ME. RAMIRO GADO, CODE ENFORCEMENT SUPERVISOR TO ISSUE WITH THE NOTICE HERE. UM, NOTICE WAS ISSUED IN PERSON. OFFICER DELGADO HAS CONFIRMED THAT VIVIAN DID SIGN IT. THE NOTICES WAS EXPLAINED, THE VIOLATIONS WERE EXPLAINED, AND THEREFORE WE BELIEVE, UH, THE NOTICE WAS ISSUED CORRECTLY. SO, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CHAIR. ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON SHE ANY CLOSING FROM ANYBODY TO COUNSEL? NO. NO. UH, I'M READY TO GO TO MOTION. JUST CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED, UH, AT 10 30 BASSEY ROAD. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. PROCEED. THIS IS JOEL SOLES. I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT, UH, 10 30 BASSEY ROAD, UM, WAS ISSUED A NOTICE VIOLATION. UH, IT WAS PROPER IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTIONS 1 0 7, UH, AND 1 0 4. 1 0 4. DEALING WITH THE DUTIES AND POWERS OF THE CODE OFFICIAL AND 1 0 7 DEALING WITH THE NOTICES AND ORDERS. YOU'VE USED THE WORD, YOU'VE USED THE WORD PROPER. AND I ASKED YOU, IS THAT THE WORD THAT YOU WANT TO INCLUDE, GLUED? YES. IT WAS PROPERLY ISSUED. VERY GOOD. THE MOTION IS THAT THE, UH, NOTICE OF VIOLATION AT 10 30 BASSEY ROAD WAS PROPER AND ISSUED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. A SECOND WITH MS. BROWN. ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, THIS IS THOMAS FRANKS. I WANT TO POINT OUT, SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROPER NOTICE AND WE PULLED OUT 1 0 7, I WANNA PULL OUT 1 0 7 0.2. SUBSECTION THREE INCLUDE A STATEMENT OF THE VIOLATION OR VIOLATIONS OF WHY THE NOTICE IS BEING ISSUED. I BELIEVE THAT THE NOTICE THAT WAS SIGNED DOES NOT FOLLOW THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, IS TO WITHDRAW THE WORD PROPER. I'M ACCEPTABLE WITH THAT. SURE. OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS THAT THE NOTICE WAS ISSUED FOR THE VIOLATIONS AT 10 30 BATEY ROAD. IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT, MS. STRENGTHS? YES. [02:55:02] THAT YOU'RE WITHDRAWING THE PROPER? CORRECT. OKAY. MS. BROWN, YOU WOULD SECOND THAT. CAN WE RESTATE THE MOTION NOW WHAT IT IS? SURE. THE MOTION IS THAT THE, THERE WAS NOTICE ISSUED OF CODE VIOLATIONS AT 10 30 BASSEY ROAD. HOLD ON. AND CHAIR. I I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DETER, WHAT THIS BOARD HAS IN FRONT OF THEM TO DETERMINE IS WHETHER THE NOTICE THAT WAS PROVIDED IS GOING TO BE UPHELD. UM, OR IS IT WAS NOTICE NOT CORRECTLY PROVIDED AND THEREFORE IT WILL NOT BE UPHELD AND IT'S SHOT DOWN. I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, IT IS, UM, IN RELATION TO, UM, I THINK THERE'S A TOTAL OF SIX SA PMC VIOLATIONS. SO I'D WANT TO, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS, WHATEVER DECISION THIS BOARD MAKES, IT'S FOR ALL SIX. THE MOTION IS TO BE AMENDED. THAT NOTICE WAS ISSUED AND THE VIOLATION, UH, AND THE VIOLATIONS WERE INCLUDED. IS THAT RIGHT? COUNSEL AND UPHELD? SAY THAT AGAIN. TO BE UPHELD AND, I'M SORRY, THAT'S WHAT I REALLY MEANT. AND OR TO BE UPHELD THE SIX VIOLATIONS. THAT'S CORRECT. MR. TRUMAN, IS THAT THE NOTICE VIOLATION? GOOD. MS. BROWN? I AGREE. A SECOND WAS MADE BY MS. BROWN. UH, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL PLEASE. DWAYNE NELSON. AYE. BRETT ANDIS. AYE. MS. BROWN? AYE. JOEL SOLIS? AYE. ROBERT THIA? NO. THOMAS FRANKS NO. MOTION PASSES WITH A VOTE OF FOUR TO TWO. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA ARE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS FROM STAFF. DO WE HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES? I DO. OFFICER, OFFICER. I DON'T HAVE ONE MOMENT. MS. BROWN. DO WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS. BOARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. BROWN, DO YOU HAVE A ISSUE? I DO. UM, THIS IS THIS, UH, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM, MS TO JENNY AND TOIN. WE NEED HISTORY ON THESE CASES THAT COME BEFORE US. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A 10 YEAR HISTORY, BUT WE NEED HISTORY. WE'VE ASKED FOR IT BEFORE AND Y'ALL GAVE IT AND THEN YOU STOPPED AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY HISTORY YET. SO THE, THE REASON WHY WE NEED THE HISTORY IS THAT CASE LAST WEEK WITH THE MS. SHU, IF WE HAD HAD THE HISTORY OF HER PROPERTIES, THE VOTE MAY HAVE TURNED OUT DIFFERENTLY. HAD WE BEEN ABLE TO SEE WHAT SHE HAD DONE WITH THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY THAT SHE HAD AND WE DIDN'T. NOBODY KNEW SHE HAD A PREVIOUS PROPERTY UNTIL WE MENTIONED IT WHEN WE WERE ON BREAK SOMEWHERE OR WHEREVER WE WERE. BUT WE NEED SOME HISTORY. 'CAUSE HISTORY IS GOING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THESE PEOPLE GO FORWARD WITH THEIR PLANS. I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY PREDICTED THAT WE HAVE IS HISTORY. MS. BROWN, I WANNA CLARIFY THE REQUEST. ARE YOU REQUESTING HISTORY ON THE EXACT PROPERTY? SO EXAMPLE, A 1900 SOUTH ALAMO, ARE YOU C ARE YOU MEN? ARE YOU WANTING HISTORY IF THAT OWNER FOR 1900 SOUTH ALAMO OWNED MULTIPLE OTHER PROPERTIES AND WHAT THE STATUS WAS ON THOSE? I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. WELL, WHATEVER THE HISTORY IS, WE DON'T NEED IT ALL. WE DON'T NEED, IF THEY OWN 20 BUILDINGS IN THE PAST, WE NEED TO KNOW SOME KIND OF HISTORY THAT DETERMINES THAT LETS US DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL ON THE, THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF US. AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT, UH, PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH OR IT'S GONNA BE REHABBED OR WHATEVER IT IS. BUT YOU'RE ASKING, YOU'RE ASKING FOR INFORMATION ON A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY IN TERMS OF THAT PROPERTY WE'RE ASKING AS WELL AS WHAT THAT OWNER HAS DONE ON THAT PROPERTY. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT QUESTION? CORRECT. ON THE HISTORY OF WHATEVER THE PAST, THE PAST PROPERTIES THAT THEY'VE HAD BEFORE US, WERE THEY SUCCESSFUL? DID THEY, DID THEY SAY THEY WERE GONNA FIX IT UP AND THEY DIDN'T? UM, DID THEY SAY THEY WERE GONNA KNOCK IT DOWN AND DIDN'T? AND IT'S STILL HERE THAT IIII DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE PROPER FOR YOU TO MAKE A DETERMINATION BASED ON, UM, WHAT THEY DID ON A, ON ANOTHER PROPERTY. UM, ESPECIALLY IF THEY, IF IF, IF A PROPERTY OWNER OR AN INTERESTED PARTY COMES IN HERE WITH A SCOPE OF WORK, UM, THEY'RE FINANCIAL PROOF, UM, AND THEY HAVE A GAME PLAN, UM, THE BOARD WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. NOW, IF THEY COME IN, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY DID IN THE PAST PROPERTY, THEY SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF [03:00:01] I GUESS WHAT THEY'VE, WHAT THEY'VE DONE ON OTHER PROPERTIES. UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THEM CHOOSING TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION FOR CODE TO RESEARCH PAST PROPERTIES THAT A PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT HAVE DONE. AND THEN TRY TO USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE AS TO WHY THEY DON'T BELIEVE THE, UH, THE, THEY, THEY WILL DO WORK ON THE, ON THE PRESENT PROPERTY, THE INSTANT PROPERTY IN FRONT OF THEM. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE PROPER. I THINK IT WOULD BE PROPER BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT GIVES US INSIGHT ONTO HOW THAT PERSON IS THINKING AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO REACH THEIR, UM, THEIR POTENTIAL ON, ON THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF US. I MEAN, NOBODY CAN TELL. AND EVEN IF THEY COME IN HERE WITH THEIR, THEIR WORKSHEET AND THEIR FINANCIAL AND ALL THAT, THAT'S GREAT IF THEY'RE GONNA FIX IT UP. BUT WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO GO BY? JUST THE WORD AND YOU KNOW HOW MANY LIARS WE'VE HAD IN HERE, BUT ISN'T THAT NOT OUR JOB? OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING GIVEN TO US AT THAT MOMENT. IT'S NOT OUR POSITION TO DECIDE IF SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE PAINTED PINK OR BLUE. NO. OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THE FACTS TO SEE IF THEY CAN FIX IT AND WE ROLL ON THE FACTS. I UNDERSTAND. CHAIR. CAN I JUMP IN TO ANSWER A LITTLE BIT THAT CERTAINLY YOU CAN JUMP IN. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES. , MY NAME IS AMIN THOMAS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO MS. BROWN, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT AND I I I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT, BUT WHEN WE DEAL WITH ANY CASE, IT'S CASE BY CASE. IF SOMEBODY'S REALLY GOOD ACTOR AND THEY DO BUY PROPERTIES AND THEY DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT THIS TIME THEY DECIDED NOT TO, WE DON'T TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION 'CAUSE EACH CASE IS INDIVIDUALLY DONE. SO IF THEY PROVIDE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, FINANCIAL MEANS, ENGINEERS LETTER AND ALL THAT ON A PLAN OF ACTION ON THIS ONE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. WE DO NOT LOOK AT PAST AND OPPOSITE AS WELL. SO IF SOMEBODY DID NOT DO THE RIGHT THING LAST YEAR ON A PROPERTY, BUT TODAY WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THEN WE ARE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SO WE EACH, EACH CASE IS INDIVIDUALLY LOOKED AT AND WE NEED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE FACTS ON THAT PROPERTY, NOT OTHER PROPERTIES. YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I STILL BELIEVE IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN DART COMES IN HERE AND THEY TELL US THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS HAD 42 CALLS, IT'S NOT NECESSARY, UH, NECESSARILY FOR US TO HEAR WHAT THE CALLS WERE ABOUT. WE DIDN'T KNOW I'M GONNA STOP THIS RIGHT NOW. THAT IS RELATED TO IT VIOLATES DUE PROCESS. WHAT IT VIOLATES DUE PROCESS. ALRIGHT, WHATEVER. SO MS. MS. BROWN, WHEN, WHEN, I'M NOT GONNA BRING UP HISTORY ANYMORE ON THIS BOARD. I DO WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND A HISTORY ON A PROPERTY, ON ON ONE SPECIFIC PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT AS COMPARED TO YOU WANT HISTORY OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE ON OTHER PROPERTIES TO MAKE A DETERMINATE, HOLD ON. ALLOW ME TO MAKE A DETERMINATION TO WHAT WHAT YOU WOULD DO ON AN INSTANT PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS. OKAY? I TOLD YOU IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS BOARD, WE SET UP THE HISTORY FACTOR BECAUSE IT WAS RELEVANT TO THE PERSON COMING IN HERE WHO'S GONNA LIE TO US, TO OUR FAITH. THAT'S THE HISTORY OF THAT PROPERTY. YOU'RE WANTING HISTORY OF OTHER PROPERTIES TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON A, ON A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD ASK THAT WE DON'T USE THAT. AMIN, DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT TO IT? NO, I THINK, UH, ERIC BEAT ME TO IT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. SO ANY HISTORY ON THE PROPERTY ON HAND THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING, WE, WE WILL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION, BUT WE WILL NOT BRING ANY INFORMATION ON OTHER PROPERTIES THAT OWNER OR THAT CONTRACTOR IS DEALING WITH. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER ISSUES TO BRING UP ADMINISTRATIVELY ADMINISTRATIVE? DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY MORE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT ABOARD OR ARE THEY STILL PENDING? THE ANSWER WAS STILL PENDING FROM MS. CRUM. ANY OTHER ISSUES? YES. TO BRING UP MS. BROWN? THAT IS CORRECT. JUDY CRUM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS OR APPOINTMENTS TO READING TO THE RECORD TODAY. WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH COUNCIL DISTRICT 1 6 8 AND THE AT LARGE POSITION. OKAY. I HAVE ONE MORE POINT. UM, THAT NEW, UM, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CCR OR IF IT'S GONNA BE AN ORDINANCE ABOUT THE, UM, THE UM, UH, THE DP CASES AND THE UM, PEOPLE THAT GO IN TO DECONSTRUCT THE HOUSE. IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT US IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM? I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT I'LL LET 'EM MEAN. YEAH. ARE ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, THE DECONSTRUCTION. OKAY. ORDINANCE AND, UH, HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT US WHEN WE HAVE DP CASES. YEAH, IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD NOT AFFECT YOUR DECISION AS [03:05:01] A BOARD. UH, YOU'RE GONNA DETERMINE EITHER THE PROPERTY CAN BE REPAIRED OR CAN OR NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED. THAT'S YOUR DECISION. THEN FROM THAT POINT ON, IF THE STRUCTURE HAS CERTAIN CRITERIA, CERTAIN YEARS, UH, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION WILL LOOK AT IT AND SAY THIS ONE WILL BE DEMOLISHED BY DECONSTRUCTION. SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE DEMOLISHED MECHANICALLY. THEY'RE GONNA GO TAKE IT PIECE BY PIECE. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE RESULT IS THE SAME. THAT STRUCTURE WILL BE REMOVED. SO YOUR DECISION AS A BOARD, YOU'RE GONNA DECIDE EITHER REPAIRS CAN HAPPEN OR DEMOLITION IS NEEDED. AND THEN FROM THERE WE WILL, WE WILL WORK WITH, UH, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION ON THE DECONSTRUCTION COMPONENT. SO I, I HAVE A ADD ON, I HAVE A ADD A QUESTION TO THAT. SO BECAUSE THE DECONSTRUCTION IS COSTING EXTRA MONEY AND IT'S GONNA BE TAGGED ONTO THE UH, PERSON, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER THE, THE HOUSE IS BEING, UM, TORN DOWN. SO IS THAT MONEY GOING TO IMMEDIATELY COME OUT OF THE, THE PERSON'S POCKET OR IS IT GOING TO BE TAGGED ONTO THE LAND VALUE LIKE WE, LIKE WE USUALLY DO OR ON THE, UH, ON THE, UM, ON THE DP. SO IT'LL BE EXACTLY SIMILAR TO THE STANDARD DEMOLITION AND THE DP, UH, WHATEVER THE COST IS. IF THE OWNER DECIDES TO DO IT, THEY CAN. IF THEY DECIDE TO UTILIZE OUR CONTRACTORS, THE CITY CONTRACTORS, THEN WE WILL DO IT AND THEN WE WILL PUT LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S THE SAME EXACT PROCESS. OKAY. SO LET ME DO A FOLLOW UP JUST SO I GET IT CLEAR. WE GIVE A 30 DAY DEMOLITION ORDER THE PROPERTY, IF IT GOES TO DP AND THEY DON'T TAKE IT DOWN IN 30 DAYS AND THEY PIECEMEAL IT, IS THERE GONNA BE A LEGAL ISSUE THERE OR NO? SO IN, IN IN GENERAL, WHEN YOU GUYS ORDER, UH, DEMOLITION WITHIN 30 DAYS, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO WAIT THE 30 DAYS FOR THE APPEAL. PAST THAT, WE WORK WITH THE OWNER TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE. UH, IT MIGHT TAKE SEVERAL DAYS, MIGHT TAKE A WEEK. IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE. NOW DECONSTRUCTION WILL TAKE A LITTLE LONGER, BUT AGAIN, IT HAS TO BE, THERE IS CERTAIN CRITERIA AND THE ORDINANCE, SO IT HAS TO BE SECURED PROPERLY, FENCED AROUND IT WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT. AND THEY HAVE CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES OUTLINED IN THE ORDINANCE. SO IT'S BUSINESS THEY NEED TO FOLLOW. SO IT'S BUSINESS ISSUED FOR US. WE JUST ISSUED A 30 DAYS. THEY DO ALL THE OTHER STUFF AND THEN THEY'LL HANDLE THE REST OF IT ON THE OTHER END. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. UNANIMOUS CONSENT. , ANY OTHER ISSUES, ADMINISTRATIVE DUTY THAT WE'D LIKE TO BRING TO THE STAFF? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. . VERY GOOD. THE TIME IS 1252 BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT. WITHOUT OBJECTION. WE ARE ADJOURNED. COUNSEL, LOOKING AT HIS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.