* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] I'D LIKE TO CALL THE [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] ORDER OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 21ST, 2024. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELAZQUEZ GALLOWAY. HERE. MOOKA. GIDA. HERE. GRUB. HERE. GROUP. HERE. CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND. FETZER. AND GIBBS. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE SOMEONE FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES? GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC DESIGN, SORRY. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAYMAR GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND OR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE OF A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT A TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF, DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED WILL BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, WE HAVE A SHORT AGENDA TODAY. UM, JUST A QUICK NOTE THAT ITEMS ONE, EIGHT AND 10 HAVE BEEN, UM, POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. UM, SO THOSE WILL NOT BE REVIEWED TODAY. UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE AGENDA, [Approval of Minutes] WE HAVE, UM, ACTION NEEDED ON MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 7TH. HAVE A MOTION ON THAT. MAY I HAVE APPROVAL? UH, MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. MR. CHAIR. I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE LAST MEETING. SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, CASTILLO. AYE. SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. KIVA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND, UM, SO LOOKING AT THE CONSENT [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] AGENDA AGAIN, ITEM ONE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. UM, IT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, WE HAVE JUST ONE VOICEMAIL COMMENT FOR ITEM FOUR AND WE'LL PLAY THAT NOW. NUMBER FOUR, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 22 2 7. QUENTIN, MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE 10 MEMBER MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5, ZIP 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO BUILDING A NEW HOME AT 2 27 QUENTIN, AND ARE SUPPORTIVE OF ALL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE ONE CLARIFYING [00:05:01] QUESTION REGARDING THE MASONRY WACO. AS THERE WAS CONFLICTING INFORMATION WITHIN THE DRAWINGS, WE'D LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT THE EXTERIOR WACO IS AN AUTHENTIC FULL DEPTH BRICK OR STONE MASONRY VEER. AS THE DRAWINGS INDICATE AND NOT A THIN VENEER PRODUCT, WE WISH THE APPLICANT'S SUCCESS AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? UM, MR. CHAIR, UH, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO POLL CASE NUMBER FOUR. NUMBER FOUR, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POLL CASE NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SEVEN. FIVE AND SEVEN. ANY OTHERS FROM ANYONE? ONE. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I MOVE THAT THE REMAINING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA BE APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. MR. THERE SECOND. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED. I PROPERLY SECOND MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SINO? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. KIVA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND GIPPS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 6 0 3 BARBIE 5 0 2 NORTH ZAR ZAMORA IN 1 44 THORA, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE REASON I PULLED ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, THERE IS A COMMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, UH, COMMENTS THAT I'D LIKE TO CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS. HI, I'M HI, I'M REED KIRKSEY, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, 2 2 7, QUENTIN. AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UH, STONE, WHETHER IT IS A STONE MATERIAL OR IS IT A IN VENEER APPLIED TO THE POSTS? YES, IT IS A FULL STONE MATERIAL. UM, NOT A VENEER, NOT A THIN VENEER OR ANYTHING. IT'S A FULL DEPTH BRICK. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, THE, THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS ON YOUR SITE PLAN YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY AND A PAVED AREA THAT COMES ONLY UP TO THE HOUSE, THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE. AND TYPICALLY IN SINGLE FAMILY OR JUST, UH, IN A LOT OF THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE TRY TO AVOID PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR, UH, THE PROJECT TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET OF PAVING THAT GOES BEYOND THE FRONT FACADE SO THAT THERE IS THE CHOICE TO PARK BEHIND THE HOUSE. IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO? I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. UM, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR GOES RIGHT UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AS WELL, SO I WAS JUST BASICALLY MATCHING THEIRS AND GOING WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE PREVIOUSLY, UM, WHERE THIS PROJECT IS BEING REVIEWED UNDER THE GUIDELINES, THE CURRENT GUIDELINES AND THE GUIDELINES, UH, ENCOURAGE US TO AVOID PARKING IN THE FRONT. OKAY. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I WOULD BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT, LET ME FIND THE CASE THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS OF ONE TWO AND AN ADDED THIRD STIPULATION THAT THE PAVING FOR THE DRIVEWAY EXTEND 20 FEET BEYOND THE FACADE OF THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, DRIVEWAY IS SO THAT THERE IS A CHOICE TO PARK BEYOND THE HOUSE AND THAT ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND OFF THE STREET WHERE THEY'LL PROBABLY BE SAFER. SURE. NOTHING ELSE. YOU MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SLV? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. KIVA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION [00:10:01] CARRIES. THANKS. ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND I PULLED THIS IN RESPONSE TO THE LETTER, THE COMMENTS, UM, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. YES. UM, BASICALLY, UH, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO CONTINUING THIS SO THAT YOU CAN MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? UM, WELL, EXCUSE ME ONE SEC. COURSE WE'LL PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. THANK YOU. I'M NOT MARCO CORTEZ, HE WORKS FOR ME. I'M DAVIS SPRINKLE. UM, AND UH, YES, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA RECOMMEND FOR TODAY THEN? I AM, YES I AM. OKAY. THE OWNER IS WITH ME TODAY. LEMME CHECK WITH HIM FIRST. SURE. OF COURSE. IT'S NOT MY, MY HOUSE. YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH, TO ME, THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION. VERY GOOD. OKAY, THAT APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I WOULD MOTION TO, UM, CONTINUE THE CASE TILL THE NEXT AVAILABLE H-D-R-C-H-D-R-C HEARING AFTER THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER MEETS WITH THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC ASSOCIATION. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THERE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. NO SIR. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SAVINA? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. EVA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. OH, THAT WOULD BE ME AGAIN. UM, IS THIS THE APPLICANT HERE? UM, THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD BE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, UM, SABRINA ARE YOU, ARE YOU HERE? NO, WE DON'T HAVE OUR VIRTUALLY YOU WANNA READ YOUR, UM, ITEMS INTO THE RECORD AND THEN WE'LL TAKE AN ACTION ON IT? SURE. OR DO WE WANT OR POTENTIALLY STAFF COULD ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CASE? WELL WITHOUT, UH, THE PROJECT LACKS A SITE PLAN, A DIMENSION SITE PLAN. THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE THAT IS ALLOWED TO BE UP TO SIX FEET TALL IS LOCATED AT LEAST IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, IN A PLACE THAT WOULD CREATE AVIS A A VISION CON, UH, CONFLICT WITH THE INTERSECTION. SO I THINK HAVING A SITE PLAN WOULD BE, UH, USEFUL. SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE, UH, CONTINUING THIS SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO IT. WOULD YOU RATHER NOT JUST STIPULATE THAT STAFF RECEIVE A DETAILED SITE PLAN THAT WE VERIFY? UH, SURE. SURE. SO THAT IT DOES NOT, UM, SO IT DOESN'T BECOME A, A HINDRANCE TO THE VISIBILITY OF THAT INTERSECTION. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN COORDINATE WITH DSD ON IN THEIR REVIEW WHEN ISSUING THE PERMIT AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. DO WE NEED TO TAKE AN, UM, ACTION ON THAT? YEAH, WE NEED A MOTION IN ACTION. OKAY. I CAN MAKE THE MOTION WHEN I SAY, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO AND ADD A THIRD STIPULATION THAT THEY SUBMIT A FULLY DIMENSION SITE PLAN SHOWING THIS THE MONUMENT SIGN LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY AND CONFIRM THAT IT IS NOT IMPEDING IN A VISUAL, UH, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? VISUAL SIGHT, RIGHT? YES. LINE OF SIGHT LINE. YEAH. UH, LINE OF SIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NA, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. EVA? AYE. GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND GIPPS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM EIGHT HAS BEEN POSTPONED. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] ITEM NUMBER NINE, ITEM NUMBER NINE, HDRC CASE 2024 DASH 0 3 9 5 11 MISSION STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE PARTIALLY ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH BALCONY ON THE NORTHEAST ELEVATION [00:15:01] TO REPLACE THE CLASSIC WRONG COLUMNS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, FRONT PORCH WITH SQUARE COLUMNS AND REMOVE THE EXISTING BALCONY, RAILING AND REPLACE WITH NEW RAILINGS. ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ENCLOSING OF THE SECOND CIRCUIT. FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDING A AND B. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS, SUBMITS TWO SCALED MEASURED ELEVATION, DRAWINGS, AND FLOOR PLANS AND ROOF PLANS AS NEEDED TO DEMONSTRATE THE PROPOSED SCOPE TO STAFF OR REVIEW OF PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC. ITEM TWO. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE PORCH COLUMN REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C. THE CURRENT PORT PORCH COLUMNS ARE CONSISTENT WITH ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HOUSE. ITEM THREE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE BALCONY VEILING BASED ON FINDING E TO MENTION TO ELEVATION. ELEVATION DRAWING SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, WARREN DECKARD, IS HERE IN PERSON. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT LIVE. , THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH ME AGAIN AND, UM, WHAT WE ARE, GIMME SIR, PROPOSING CURRENTLY. SIR, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. OH, IT'S, UH, PHILIP WARREN DECKARD. I GO BY MY MIDDLE NAME MOSTLY. SO IT'S PHILIP DECKARD OFFICIALLY. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ISN'T GOING TO REALLY AFFECT THE ARCHITECTURAL IMAGES, YOU KNOW, AND PERCEPTIONS, UH, FROM THE STREET WE'RE RETAINING THE BALCONY. IT, IT'LL JUST BE SHALLOW, MORE SHALLOW, RETAINING THE BALCONY AND, UM, TAKING SOME SOME OF THAT SPACE BACK TO, UM, SOME LIVABLE SPACE, WHICH BACK IN WHICH I MENTIONED BEFORE, BACK IN 83, WAS WHEN THE BALCONY WAS CREATED THAT THE HOME, ORIGINALLY THAT CURRENT BALCONY WAS PART OF A, A BEDROOM. AND THEN SOMEWHERE IN 1983, THEY TOOK THAT OFF, UH, MODIFIED THE ROOF AND PUT A SHED ROOF ON AND CREATED THE, UH, BALCONY. SO I, WE LIKE THE LOOK OF IT. SO I THINK THAT JUST MAKING IT MORE SHALLOW REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THE VIEW FROM THE, FROM THE STREET. MAYBE LIFT SLIGHTLY FROM THE NORTH BECAUSE IT'LL BE MORE SHALLOW, BUT USING THE SAME MATERIALS AND, AND NO CHANGES. WE'RE GONNA REPURPOSE THE WINDOW, UH, JUST BY MOVING IT OUT TO THE NEW WALL THAT THAT WOULD BE THERE. AND, UM, ALSO AS FAR AS A SQUARE POST ARE CONCERNED, I THINK THAT THE, THE HOME IS MORE TYPICALLY A FARMHOUSE RATHER THAN, UM, A VICTORIAN. AND I THINK, AND THERE'S LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF SQUARE POSTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SIMILAR HOMES AND, UM, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A DEAL KILLER, BUT WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THE, BE ABLE TO DO THE LARGER SQUARE POSTS AS OUR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR TO US HAS AS WELL. AND, UM, I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS GONNA BE TOTALLY COMMENSURATE WITH THE, THE IDEAS OF THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE WANNA PRESERVE, WHICH I AGREE WITH WHOLEHEARTEDLY ON THE PRESERVATION ASPECT OF IT. AND, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. , I, UM, IF THAT'S IT FOR YOU, UM, THAT'S FINE. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? YES. AT THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING FIVE 11 MISSION STREET. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 0 3 9. DEAR COMMISSIONER, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWS THE APPLICATION WITH THE OHP STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS. WE CONCUR WITH THE STAFF AND DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND TWO. WE ALSO CONCUR WITH STAFF AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE AS INFERRED BY THE STAFF AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM ONE. THIS APPLICATION LACKS LEGIBLE DOCUMENTS REQUIRED FOR THE ONLINE APPLICATION. SPECIFICALLY MISSING IS AN ANNOTATED SITE PLAN DISPLAYING BUILDING SETBACKS, INACCURATE DIMENSIONS, ELEVATION DRAWINGS THAT REFLECT THE WRITTEN NARRATIVE DIMENSION, FLOOR PLANS, OTHER ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS NECESSARY TO CLEARLY DESCRIBE THE INTENT. WHY ARE THESE INCOMPLETE [00:20:01] APPLICATIONS ALLOWED TO BE PROCESSED? APPLICATIONS NOT MEETING THE MINIMUM INFORMATION REQUIREMENTS STATED ON THE ONLINE APPLICATION SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED. THANK YOU, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. WE'D LIKE TO ADJUST THE VOICEMAIL, SIR. VOICE, SINCE THAT LETTER WAS UH, WRITTEN, I PROVIDED, UH, UH, DRAWINGS OF THE PROPERTY. AND AS FAR AS THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE, IT'S BEEN IN THE SAME SPOT SINCE 1900. THERE'S NO NOT MAKING ANY ADDITIONS TO THE FOOTPRINT AT ALL, SO THAT'S WHY THAT WASN'T INCLUDED. AND SO I WENT BACK AND THEN I DID, I HAD TO DO IT BY HAND, UH, FROM THE PREVIOUS ELEVATIONS AND MARK IT UP AND, UH, WRITE IN THE MEASUREMENTS ON WHICH SHE HAS ON THE SCREEN NOW, WHICH THEN I THINK MITIGATES WHATEVER THEY ON THAT ASPECT OF IT. AND SO I, WE HAVE THE DRAWINGS AND THE, AND, UM, REPRESENTATIONS OF WHAT IT WILL, UH, LOOK LIKE AND WITH SOME NOTATIONS IN RED. SO, MR. CHAIR? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, HAS STAFF BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW THE UPDATED DRAWINGS OR WOULD THAT SATISFY THE STIPULATION ONE? I'LL ANSWER. I MEAN, NO, LIKE OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE PORCH REMAIN FULLY OPEN, SO EVEN PARTIAL ENCLOSURE WOULD STILL GO AGAINST THAT RECOMMENDATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY COMMISSIONER? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION GOING BACK TO THE COLUMNS. UH, AND THIS COULD BE FOR STAFF OR FOR ANY BY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WITH SOME BACKGROUND IN THIS. THE SQUARE COLUMNS THAT ARE DISPLAYED IN THE, IN THE PICTURE THAT HE PRESENTS AT THE HOUSE FROM THE EIGHTIES, HOW LIKELY IS A FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE FROM THE 1930S TO HAVE THAT SQUARE COLUMN AS OPPOSED TO THE ROUND ONES THAT ARE IN THERE NOW THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY NEWER THAT RIGHT. LIKE, SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT HISTORIC PROPERTIES ARE CHANGED OVER TIME AND AT SOME POINT IT DID LOOK LIKE IT DID IN THE PICTURE. UM, BUT THEN IT WAS ALSO REPLACED THAT THAT OPENING WAS RESTORED, WHICH WE BELIEVE WAS ORIGINAL, UM, THAT SECOND FLOOR BALCONY AND THESE COLUMNS WERE REPLACED WITH AN APPROPRIATE COLUMN THAT I THINK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STYLE. UM, SO WE JUST FIND THEM TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE SQUARE SOLUTION JUST BASED ON PREVALENCE OF THIS TYPE OF COLUMN FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, WELL, I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. SURE, GO AHEAD. WHAT'S THE REASON FOR REPLACING THE, WAS IT BECAUSE YOU DID THE FOUNDATION AND NOW THERE'S A BIG GAP FOR THE COLUMNS? WELL, THE, THE PORTRAITS, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, IT WAS ALREADY SAGGING, SO I'M NOT SURE FROM SETTLEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND, UH, THE HOUSE WAS LEVELED, SO MAYBE THAT, UH, CREATED, EXACERBATED THAT ISSUE. AND SO THE ROUND COLUMNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE, HOW MUCH IS LIKE THE GAP? PROBABLY TWO TO THREE INCHES. AND IT NEEDS TO BE, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE PICTURES, IT SLOPES QUITE A LOT AND SOME OF THE SLOPE WAS PURPOSEFUL TOWARDS THE STREET, BUT IT WAS VERY MINIMAL, LIKE, UH, EIGHT INCH A FOOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT SLOPES TO THE SIDE AS WELL. AND THE FRONT CORNER IS REALLY OUTSIDE CORNER IS REALLY LOW. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS DONE THAT WAY PURPOSEFULLY OR IF IT, BUT IS THERE ANY WOOD ROTT? YES, THERE'S SOME WOOD ROTT AND THERE'S SOME PICTURES OF THAT AS WELL. THERE'S WOOD ROTT. YEAH, RIGHT ON THE, WHERE THE FLOOR MEETS THE OUTSIDE THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF WOOD. YEAH, BUT I DON'T SEE, LIKE IN THE COLUMN ITSELF, LIKE YOU COULD PROBABLY REPLACE THE BASE AND LIFT IT UP. WE COULD ADD, WELL, COLUMNS ARE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS FOR SOME REASON. SO MAYBE, CAN I ASK MY COMMISSIONERS WHO WENT TO THE DRC SITE VISIT? WHAT WAS THEIR YES, THERE WAS WAS A DRC SITE VISIT IN ATTENDANCE WAS COMMISSIONER FETZER, COMMISSIONER, UM, ZUKA AND MYSELF AS WELL AS THIS CTA COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA. AND UM, YES, IT'S, UH, THE HOUSE HAS UNDERGONE QUITE A NUMBER OF OVER THE DECADES AND UM, YES, THE ONE COLUMN IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER BECAUSE I THINK INTENTIONALLY THAT UPPER FLOOR WAS REBUILT TO BE, UH, OR WAS SLOPING. UM, OUR, UH, OUR IMPRESSION IS THAT THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY HAD AN OPEN PORCH ON THE FRONT. UM, THE STYLISTIC ISSUE IS [00:25:01] A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, NEBULOUS BECAUSE LIKE THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, THERE HAVE BEEN STYLISTIC MODIFICATIONS, UH, THERE THESE, UH, COLUMNS. IT WAS DIFFICULT TO TELL WHETHER THEY WERE ORIGINAL OR NOT. UM, BUT THE HOUSE IS A VERY BASIC, VERY FUNCTIONAL TWO STORY HOUSE FROM THE VICTORIAN ERA. UM, ANYTHING THAT IS DECORATIVE VICTORIAN THAT YOU WOULD ASSOCIATE WITH THE VICTORIAN ERA HAD BEEN APPLIED SOMETIME BETWEEN THE 1980S AND PROBABLY TWO THOUSANDS. UM, SO WELL IT APPEARED THAT THEY WERE OBSERVATION. YEAH, IT APPEARED THAT IT WAS MODIFIED IN 1983 BASED ON THE PLANS THAT I HAVE, THAT'S THE DATE. AND THOSE RENDERINGS SHOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AT, YOU KNOW, THE DRAWINGS LOOKED LIKE AND THEY, I ASSUME THAT THEY CONTINUED AND BUILT IT ACCORDING TO THOSE PLANS. AND THE ONE WHERE THE BEDROOM WAS, IT SHOWS A DEMOLITION PAGE, IT SAYS DEMOLITION PLAN, IT'S GOT DOTTED LINES FOR THE WALLS THAT WERE REMOVED TO CREATE THE, CREATE THE, THE BALCONY OR I CALL IT A BALCONY. SO I COULDN'T FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF WHAT THE HOME LOOKED LIKE BEFORE 1980 OTHER OR 1983, OTHER THAN THOSE PICTURES THAT ARE PART OF THE PLAN THAT SHOWED THE SQUARE COLUMNS AND HAD THE DOUBLE, UM, GABLE ROOFS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE, MAYBE THEY WEREN'T, MAYBE IT WAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, WHO KNOWS. SO BASED ON THE SITE VISIT, MR. CHAIR, IF I, IF I MAY, UH, SO THE VICTORIAN DESIGN ASPECTS COULD VERY WELL HAVE BEEN ADDED WELL AFTER THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? UH, WELL, WE KNOW FROM THE DRAWINGS FROM THE EIGHTIES THAT YES, SOME OF THEM WERE FROM PREVIOUS PHOTOS. YES, THERE WERE. UM, UH, AND THIS IS WHERE I, I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AS A MORE FUNCTIONAL, UM, WHEN HE SAYS FARMHOUSE, I, I TEND TO BELIEVE THAT, UM, UH, WE DID NOT GET TO GO INSIDE, WHICH I REALLY WANTED TO SEE THE UPPER DECK AND, AND LOOK AT EVIDENCE UP THERE. BUT BY LOOKING AT THE STAIRCASE, THE STAIRCASE, THE MAIN STAIRCASE, THAT'S USUALLY SORT OF THE, THE NICEST PART OF THE WOODWORK ON A HOUSE WAS VERY, VERY SIMPLE SQUARE BALLISTERS, UM, VERY SIMPLE TRIMMED CAP AND, UM, AND STRINGERS CLOSED OR IT WAS AN OPEN STRINGER. UM, SO IT WAS NOT A FANCY HOUSE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO, UH, START SOME CONVERSATION. I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO, I SHOULD GET THE CASE UP IN FRONT OF ME FIRST, UM, MOMENT. I HAD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE, UH, DENY ITEM NUMBER ONE, SUPPORT ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT RETURN WITH A DRAWING OF THE PROPOSED PORCH COLUMN REPLACEMENT THAT, UM, CONFORM TO THE STYLE OF THE ERA OF THE HOUSE. AND ITEM NUMBER THREE, TO SUPPORT ITEM NUMBER THREE. THERE A SECOND. JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT AGREEING WITH THE FINDINGS ON NUMBER ONE, ONE MM-HMM, AND NUMBER TWO, PENDING A DRAWING SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT? YES. OKAY. AND, UH, THE REASON WHY I'M MAKING THOSE, YOU GET A SECOND, FIRST. OH, UH, A SECOND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, THE REASON I'M MAKING THAT THOSE STIPULATIONS IS ITEM NUMBER ONE. I THINK THAT, UH, THE HOUSE OBVIOUSLY WAS BUILT WITH THE FRONT PORCH AND THERE'S A BACK MATCHING PORCH OPPOSITE MIRRORED ON, ON THE BACKSIDE. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ENCLOSED, I DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT IN PLANNED, UM, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN VERY TYPICAL FOR VENTILATION AT THE TIME AND STRUCTURALLY AND JUST THE FORM OF IT AND THE ROOF TELLS ME THAT IT WAS ORIGINAL. UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, GOING ALONG WITH THE APPLICANT'S, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF THE SIMPLICITY OF THE HOUSE, I, I THINK A SQUARE COLUMN, UM, PROPERLY DETAILED FOR THE ERA WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION, ACCEPTABLE REPLACEMENT, NOT WHAT WAS SHOWN IN THE PHOTO FROM THE EIGHTIES, NOT WHAT WAS DRAWN [00:30:01] THERE, BUT WITH, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT ONE EITHER. WITH, YES, WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE NOW HAVE OF WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN THERE, AND THAT WOULD HELP BRING THE HOUSE BACK INTO WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ITS ORIGINAL FORM. MM-HMM. AND DECOR. WHAT IS, UM, I DON'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, UM, WHY WE CAN'T MODIFY THE DEPTH OF THE, OF THE PORCH OR THE MR CHAIR. CAN I COMMENT ON THIS? YES, GO AHEAD. CAN, UH, STAFF GO TO SLIDE 43? AND I THINK, UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE KEEPING THE DOOR WINDOW THAT'S ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THE, IT'S NOT SHOWING IN THIS SIDE ELEVATION, BUT I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE KEEPING IT, IT, IT WAS GONE ALREADY WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, SO I DON'T KNOW. IT'S IN THE PICTURES ON THE FIRST FLOOR PAGE. IF YOU GO TO PAGE SEVEN OH OH OH, YES, YES. SO THE, WE'LL KEEP THAT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM DOORS, WINDOWS OPENINGS ARE ALIGNED, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WOULD SAY YOUR YOU SUGGESTION IS NOT REALLY CONFORMING BECAUSE IT WAS A HUGE MODIFICATION. YOU'RE ALSO MOVING THE, THAT SECOND FLOOR DOOR. MM-HMM. MORE TOWARDS THE, UH, FRONT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? OR THE STREET. YEAH. SO I MEAN, I WOULDN'T, WOULD BE OPEN TO YOU COMING BACK WITH A REVISED IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN EXPAND MAYBE A COUPLE OF FEET OF YOUR WALL, BUT KEEPING THAT DOOR WINDOWS ALIGNED, TOP AND BOTTOM FLOOR. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE PER YOUR DRAWINGS, I DON'T SEE ANY MEASUREMENTS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVEN HAVE THAT SPACE. BUT I THINK THAT'S ONE, AN IMPORTANT FACTOR THAT VISUALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES IT LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY. AND, AND NOT MODIFYING THOSE OPENINGS. MM-HMM. . OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, SIR, ON YOUR, UM, YOU WERE BEFORE THE, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP WAS SPEAKING, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE DEPTH, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU COULDN'T, YOU KNOW. YEAH. YOU SAID THAT YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT. WELL, I, I MEAN, IT'D BE A, IT'D STILL BE A BALCONY THERE. IT'D JUST BE SMALLER. I MEAN, SHALLOWER STILL THE SAME WIDTH. AND THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE HOME ITSELF, IT SEEMS LIKE AESTHETICALLY IT STILL LIVES UP TO ITS EXPECTATIONS AESTHETICALLY, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW NOTICEABLE THE SHALLOWER IS FROM THE STREET, YOU'D, YOU'D REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TO, YOU KNOW, STUDY IT FROM THE STREET TO REALIZE THAT IT'S A MORE SHALLOW THAN IT MAY HAVE BEEN ORIGINALLY. I THINK SOMETIMES BALCONIES ARE SHALLOW TO START WITH. THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS, UH, EIGHT FEET WIDE OR SIX FEET WIDE FROM BALCONIES STAFF. CAN YOU GO TO THE PICTURE OF WHERE IT'S GOT THE RED TRUCK AT THE FRONT AND IT'S ACTUALLY A SHOT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CADDY CORNER FROM THE ACTUAL BALCONY IN THE FRONT PORCH? YEAH, I THINK IT'S 22. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER 24. SORRY. SO IT, THE, THAT SECOND BALCONY LOOKS TO BE A LITTLE SMARTER. IS THAT AN OPTICAL ILLUSION THAT WE'RE SEEING THERE, OR BASED ON DRC WAS THE, WAS IT THE EXACT SAME SIZE? YEAH, IT IS. IT'S PROBABLY WHAT, FIVE, SIX FEET DEEP AND EIGHT FEET WIDE? IT'S, IT'S 12 FEET WIDE AND I IT'S EIGHT FEET DEEP. THREE FOUR. SO THEN IF YOU MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE SHALLOW FROM THIS ANGLE IN THE STREET, IT'LL, IT'LL LOOK EVEN SMALLER. YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SEE. YEAH, BUT IT'D BE A LITTLE, UH, AND I, I DID A HAND DRAWING WITH THAT. I DID A HAND DRAWING WITH THAT, UH, SHOWING, BUT YEAH. YES. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO THIS, THIS DEPICTS THAT THERE, AND THE RAILING WOULD STILL BE THERE, BUT IT JUST SHOWS FROM THAT ANGLE TO BE MORE SHALLOW. AND THE SIDING WOULD BE FILLED IN WITH THE TYPICAL SING, WITH THE TYPICAL SIDING THAT'S ALREADY THERE. UH, THE ONE 17, I THINK IT'S CALLED WATERFALL SIDING. KEEP THE SIDING AND, UH, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD, I THINK IT WOULD STILL LOOK GOOD. YOU KNOW, IT'S MY OPINION, OF COURSE. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A MAJOR DISTRACTION FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, OH MY GOD, THAT'S BEEN [00:35:01] MODIFIED. BUT MAYBE MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I JUST ADD ONE MORE GO AHEAD COMMENT. UM, UH, YEAH. WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE IS, IS A HUGE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. SURE. TYPICALLY, WHEN PORCHES GET MODIFIED AND GETTING ENCLOSED, UM, THEY ARE ENCLOSED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY APPEAR AS THE PORCH MM-HMM, , BUT THEY'RE MERELY ENCLOSED, RIGHT? WHETHER IT'S, UH, THROUGH THE FRAMING OR A RAYS OF WINDOWS GOING, UH, RUNNING BOTH ON THE NORTH AND THE EAST SIDE SO THAT IT IS LEGIBLE AS A PORCH AT ONE TIME, BUT IT'S MERELY BEEN ENCLOSED. WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, JUST, EXCUSE ME, ENCLOSED, OCCUPIED SPACE. MM-HMM. . SO I THINK THAT MAKES IT A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF DESIGN REQUEST. MM-HMM. . ANY OTHER COMMENTS, SIR? SO, UM, YOU, ONE THING THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, KIND OF GAVE ME PAUSE WAS WHEN YOU WERE MENTIONING ABOUT THE HOW YOU WANNA MAKE THAT CHANGE, BUT THEN YOU, LIKE YOU, YOU, YOU THINK IT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. YOU THINK IT WOULD LOOK ALL RIGHT AND THINGS OF NATURE. UM, I, UM, WHEN YOU REVIEWED THE, THE GUIDELINES AND WHEN IT SPEAKS, SPEAKS ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT YOU CAN MAKE OR MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU CAN MAKE, UM, DID YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT GAVE, UM, THAT GAVE UM, CRED AS TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU'RE DESIRING I DI DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE, WELL, I PROBABLY DID. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE WERE GUIDELINES, UH, FOR THAT. AND, UM, I KNEW THAT IT HAD TO BE REVIEWED, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE PRE-ESTABLISHED GUIDELINES THAT WERE OPEN, YOU KNOW, TO THE PUBLIC. SHE DID SEND ME SOME BOOK, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVEN'T, UM, DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT STUFF WAS IN THERE. SO MAY I SUGGEST A SUBSTITUTE MOTION PLEASE. JUST FOR THE APPLICANT TO, UM, INSTEAD OF A DENIAL IS, UH, YOU'RE RETRACTING OPTION, YOU KNOW, YOUR ITEM ONE, WHICH IS IN CLOSINGS THE PORCH, WHICH GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO COME BACK WITH MAYBE A, NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, MAYBE YOU WANNA COME BACK WITH A REVISED DISCUSSION. WELL, MAYBE, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I, HOW WOULD I REVISE IT? WOULD I MAKE THE, TAKE ANOTHER FOOT, MAKE IT A THREE FOOT BALCONY RATHER THAN A TWO FOOT OR, UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO HAVE ACCEPTANCE OR WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. YEAH. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, BUT I MEAN, I THINK MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE MODIFICATION OF THE EXISTING FENESTRATION AND WINDOW AND DOOR UPSTAIRS. MM-HMM, . SO IF THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT MODIFYING THAT, OR IF YOU CAN ENCLOSE IT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, REVERSIBLE, YOU CAN KIND OF SAY LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER SAVINA WAS ALLUDING TO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION. 'CAUSE I ALSO SEE THAT YOUR ROOF, IT WILL AFFECT YOUR ROOF AND ALL. SO JUST LEAVING IT UP TO YOU. UM, I COULD SAY, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP, UM, WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UM, VOTE ON THE EXISTING MOTION AND THEN IF HE HAS A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT DESIGN RETURN AND WE CAN REVIEW THAT. YEAH, THEN THAT'S FINE. YOU MEAN WITH THAT? OKAY. ALRIGHT. THERE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. EVER. ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SINO AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. KIVA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 11, UM, ITEM 10 WAS POSTPONED. ITEM NUMBER 11, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 72 4 0 3 MONTANA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, MODIFY THE FRONT DOOR AND THE SIDELIGHT CONFIGURATION. TWO, REPLACE THE FRONT SIDE AND REAR DOORS. THREE, REPLACE THE SECOND STORY REAR ONE OVER ONE WINDOW WITH A FIXED WINDOW AND FOUR, RECEIVE HISTORIC TEXT CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS AND DOOR AND WINDOW REPLACEMENT. BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO RETURN TO THE RETURN THE ENTRYWAY TO THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR AND SIDELIGHT CONFIGURATION. INSTALL FULLY WOOD DOORS THAT ARE PERIOD APPROPRIATE FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND TIME OF CONSTRUCTION AND INSTALL A FULLY WOOD ONE OVER ONE WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS IN LIEU OF THE EXISTING REAR [00:40:01] FIXED WINDOW. ITEM FOUR, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION AT THIS TIME. BASED ON BINDING D THE PROPERTY WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE ONCE THE PROPERTY COMES INTO COMPLIANCE. IF THE HDRC IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS AS THEY CURRENTLY EXIST, THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. AS A CASE COMMENT, UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATED AS AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK IN 2021. IN LIEU OF DEMOLITION, THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER FULLY REHABILITATED THE STRUCTURE WITH APPROVALS AND THEN SUBMITTED A, UM, APPLICATION FOR THE TAX INCENTIVE IN 2022. AT THAT TIME, STAFF OBSERVED THAT THESE VIOLATIONS WERE IN PLACE AND THE, UM, APPLICANT, THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME HAD, UH, AGREED TO INSTALL SALVAGED DOORS IN LIEU OF THE EXISTING DOORS. HOWEVER, HE THEN SOLD THE PROPERTY TO THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS THE APPLICANT WHO WAS NOT AWARE OF THOSE VIOLATIONS AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE. UH, THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR THE TAX INCENTIVE AND IS NOW REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONS AS EXISTING IN ORDER TO QUALIFY. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, DARREN LASSETER, IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. UM, HE HAS SUBMITTED A PRESENTATION AND I WILL SHOW THAT NOW. IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE IN YOUR LATE FOLDER. UH, DARREN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNMUTE AT THIS TIME AND FEEL FREE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND I'LL BRING YOUR PRESENTATION UP ON THE SCREEN. OH, DARREN, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. UM, I THINK YOU'RE UNMUTED, SO YOU MIGHT NEED TO CHECK YOUR SETTINGS. NO, IT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE ON OUR END. GIVE US ONE SECOND. JEFF, CAN YOU TRY TO SAY SOMETHING WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO? YEAH, IT'S OUR FAULT. OKAY. GIVE US ONE SECOND. YOU ALL CAN HEAR EACH OTHER ON WEBEX. WE CANNOT HEAR YOU IN THE ROOM, SO WE WILL TRY TO ADJUST OUR SETTINGS. THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. OH. OH, OKAY. YOU, YOU CAN HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE CAN. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COOL. ALRIGHT, PLEASE, UM, IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS JAMES DEER LASTER AND MY WIFE CRYSTAL LASTER AND I ARE THE PROUD OWNERS OF 4 0 3 MONTANA. YOU MAY GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THE CASE. YES, SIR. I BELIEVE THERE'S A PRESENTATION. OKAY, HERE WE GO. I GOTTA ASK YOU NOW. SO, UM, YEAH, I CAN'T SEE MY PRESENTATION. TRYING TO BLOW THE SCREEN OUT ADDRESS. AH, GOT IT NOW. OKAY, AWESOME. THANK YOU. IT LOOKS OUTSTANDING. OKAY, SO 4 0 3 MONTANA. I, I THINK IT HAS A VERY, A WONDERFUL STORY TO TELL. AS THE, UM, PERSON WHO INTRODUCED ME SAID THIS HOUSE, UH, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS IT WAS SPARED AND SAY FROM DEMOLITION. UH, AS YOU SEE AT THE ONSET, 4 0 3 MONTANA WAS A EYESORE AND IT WENT FROM EYESORE TO EXQUISITE. AS YOU CAN TELL, AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION WAS DONE. I MEAN, IT LOOKS PHENOMENAL NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCE AND NOT ANYTHING CLOSE TO WHAT IT WAS PRIOR. UH, WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING OF THE COMMITTEE IS WE ARE KINDLY REQUESTING THAT BEING THAT THIS HOUSE WAS SOLD TO US AS, UH, BEING ELIGIBLE FOR THE TAX FREEZE AS A PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE WAS ACTUAL BROCHURES IN THE HOME, UH, STATING ABOUT THE WONDERFUL INCENTIVE THAT THE CITY OFFERS. AND MY, MY WIFE AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH THE HOUSE, AND AFTER WE HEARD ABOUT THE INCENTIVE AS WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS A NO BRAINER TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS AND BEAUTIFULLY RESTORED. UH, WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE APPROVE OF ALL SCOPES OF WORK, UH, BE APPROVED CURRENTLY AS THEY EXIST. THE MAIN THING I BELIEVE THAT'S HINDERING US CURRENTLY IS THE, UH, THE FRONT DOOR AND THE SIDELIGHT. THAT'S HOW THEY ARE AS THEY CURRENTLY EXIST. UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, AS YOU SEE, JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL A, A BRIEF TOUR, YOU KNOW, INSIDE THE HOUSE CURRENTLY, WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE. UM, VERY SPECIAL HOME TO US BECAUSE MY WIFE IS FROM SAN ANTONIO, BORN IN SAN ANTONIO. SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE IT A VERY SAN ANTONIO FEEL. I MEAN, IF YOU NOTICE ON THE BACK WALL THERE, UH, THERE'S THE, UH, SAN ANTONIO SKYLINE ON THE WALL. HOME IS VERY VIBRANT AND FULL OF LIGHT, WE FEEL LIKE IS A TRUE SAN ANTONIO TREASURE. AND, UH, THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE OF COURSE, [00:45:01] STAYING WITH THE CULTURE, ONE OF THE BRIGHT, COLORFUL PILLOWS TO, UH, REPRESENT THE UNIQUE HERITAGE OF SAN ANTONIO CITY. THERE'S A PICTURE OF THE ALAMO THERE. AND THEN ON THE NEXT PICTURES, ON THE PILLOWS, ON THE BED, SAME ACCENTS. AND THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THE, UM, THE ROOMS. UM, MY WIFE AND I WERE ALSO UNDER IMPRESSION TOO THAT IT WAS READY BECAUSE FOR THE INCENTIVE, BECAUSE IF YOU SEE ON THE, UM, ONE OF THE NEXT SLIDES, THERE'S A SHADOW BOX OF THE SAN ANTONIO HISTORIC, UH, PLAQUE, WHICH WE PUT IN A, A SHADOW BOX BY THE FRONT DOOR. WE'RE VERY PROUD THAT IT'S A HISTORICAL HOME AND WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING HAD BEEN COMPLETED SATISFACTORILY. UM, I, I CALLED PRIOR TO THE CLOSING OF THE HOME THAT ALL PERMITS HAD BEEN CLOSED AND WORK WAS COMPLETED. UH, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, THIS HOUSE, WE LIKE TO REFER TO IT AS THE WHITE HOUSE LA CASA BLANCA. SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE LIGHT IN THERE. IT SAYS LA CASA BLANCA, AND IT'S GOT BEAUTIFUL VIEWS FROM THE BALCONY. UM, THE BALCONY, WE'RE WATCHING THE FIREWORKS ON NEW YEAR'S, AND, UH, THERE'S A PICTURE OF THAT NEXT. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, LASTLY, UH, THE HOME HAS A GREAT STORY TO TELL WITH SAFE FROM DEMOLITION. IT'S VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ALAMO DOME, UH, SHOWCASED TO MANY VISITORS. THE CITY'S HEALTHY ECONOMIC STANDING IN RICH HISTORY. IT WAS PRESENTED TO MY WIFE AND I IS 10 YEAR HISTORICAL TAX FREEZE COMPLIANT AND READY. AND ALSO, I BELIEVE WHEN OTHERS COME TO THE COMMITTEE AND BELIEVE A SUCCESSFUL RESTORATION CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED AND A HOME ISN INCAPABLE BASED ON AGE AND CONDITION, THEY NEED TO LOOK NO FURTHER THAN 4 0 3. MONTANA IS LIVING PROOF THAT HONESTLY, I MEAN, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. THE BEFORE AND AFTER THOSE PICTURES, UH, SAY IT ALL. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LISTENING TO ME TODAY. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. UM, ARE THERE ANY VOICEMAILS? NO PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THIS REQUEST. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, FIRST TO STAFF, SO BETWEEN 2022, WHICH WAS THE FIRST VIOLATION, OR LIKE WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THE TEXT, THERE'S NOTHING BEEN DONE FOR A WHOLE YEAR, LIKE NO COMMUNICATION? CORRECT. SO THE LAST COMMUNICATION WE HAD WITH THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER, THEY HAD COMMITTED TO, UH, REPLACING THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR AND SILT CONFIGURATION. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, THEY SWAPPED THE SIDELIGHT LOCATION. UM, THEY, THEY HAD COMMITTED TO RESTORING THAT AS IT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED AND HAD SUBMITTED SALVAGE DOOR PRODUCTS TO US FOR REVIEW. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE HAD NO COMMUNICATION WITH THEM UNTIL THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER SUBMITTED FOR THE TAX INCENTIVE THEMSELVES. OKAY. AND THEN MR. LASSET, ARE YOU'RE USING THIS AS AN AIRBNB? UH, NO MA'AM. OKAY. SO WE, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE WERE RENTING IT, WE WERE RENTING IT AS A, AS LIKE A LONG-TERM, UH, LONG-TERM RENTAL. UH, HONESTLY, WE, WE'VE HAD ONE PERSON STAY THERE FOR, UH, OCTOBER, LIKE FOUR MONTHS. OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VACANT. OKAY. UM, CAN WE GO TO SLIDE EIGHT JUST TO MAKE SURE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR SIDE LIGHT MODIFICATION, THE TWO BACK DOORS AND THOSE THREE WINDOWS? YES. SO THE FRONT DOOR AND THE FRONT DOOR CONFIGURATION WAS MODIFIED. UM, THEN ALL THE REMAINING REAR AND SIDE DOORS WERE ALSO REPLACED WITH, UH, DOORS THAT HAVE FROSTED LIGHTS. AND THEN THIS ONE FIXED WINDOW AT THE REAR WAS PREVIOUSLY A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW. THE OTHER REMAINING WINDOWS, THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY FIXED AS WELL. OKAY. SO, AND THE SIDE, WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THE SIDE DOORS. OKAY. SO THERE'S TWO SIDE DOOR. NO, THAT'S THE REAR. THERE IS A SIDE DOOR HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ELEVATION PHOTO OF THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THERE'S A DOOR THAT MATCHES THIS ONE THAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO THAT'S A FRONT FACADE FRONT, I MEAN, IT'S FRONT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT. CORRECT. AND MR. LASSETER, ONE LAST QUESTION IS, ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THE MODIFICATIONS THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD AGREED TO TO GET THE TAX VERIFICATION? HONESTLY, I MEAN, UM, MY WIFE AND I JUST FEEL A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, MISLED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD PREFER IF THE COMMITTEE TO BE WILLING TO PER TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED TO JUST FINANCIALLY. LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, WE, WE'VE HAD ONE PERSON STAY THERE. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST MONEY OUT OF POCKET EVERY MONTH, JUST FINANCIALLY IT'S A, A GIGANTIC BURDEN TO MY WIFE AND I. WE LOVE, WE LOVE THE HOME AND WE LOVE THE LOCATION. AND MY WIFE BEING FROM SAN ANTONIO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO BE FORCED TO SELL. UM, BUT AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHERE WE KEEP COMING UP WITH, WITH THE FUNDS TO, TO MAKE THIS PAYMENT WITHOUT THE CREDIT, JUST BEING BLATANTLY HONEST. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH, YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, PLEASE. MR. CHAIRMAN FE THE [00:50:02] PREVIOUS DOORS, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE FILE AND, UH, THE OTHER DOORS SEEMED TO BE COVERED WITH PLYWOOD. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL DOORS WERE THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED? SO WE DO KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR CONFIGURATION WAS AND THAT THE EXISTING, THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING FRONT DOOR WAS WOOD AND LIKELY ORIGINAL. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE EVIDENCE OF WHAT THE PREVIOUS DOOR OPENINGS, UH, WHAT WAS UNDERNEATH THAT PLYWOOD. SO THEY MAY HAVE JUST BEEN OPENINGS. UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE PHOTO EVIDENCE OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY EXISTING IN THOSE, IN THOSE DOORWAYS. YOU GOOD CHAIRMAN, P ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO THE, THE DOORS, THE, NOT COUNTING THE FRONT DOOR, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE OTHER WOOD DOORS ARE NOT PERIOD APPROPRIATE, Y'ALL CONSIDER THEM NOT PERIOD APPROPRIATE IN STYLE? UH, THEY WOULD BE DOORS THAT OUR OFFICE WOULD APPROVE, BUT THEY DO FEATURE, UH, FROSTED GLASS. UH, WE WOULD HAVE APPROVED THEM TO BE, UH, TO FEATURE CLEAR GLASS ESSENTIALLY. SO THE PRE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER HAD COAS ON FILE FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION. THEY JUST DID NOT SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR DOOR REPLACEMENT OR THE REPLACEMENT OF THAT REAR WINDOW. OKAY, THANK YOU. BUT BEYOND THE FROSTED GLASS, THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE. THE ADDITIONAL DOOR IS YES, THE FRONT DOOR, NO, NOW. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MATT MAY HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE. MR. CHAIR, I'LL VENTURE TO MAKE A MOTION. I, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. UM, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE, UM, IMPERATIVE, OH, LET ME JUST MAKE THE MOTION. SORRY. UM, TO, TO ACCEPT, TO APPROVE THE, UH, REQUEST WITH ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE A SECOND. DID I DO THAT ONE? YES. YOU DID IT RIGHT. UM, OH, OR SHOULD I REWORD THAT? UM, MOTION TO DENY ITEM REQUESTED ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE AND FOUR BASED ON STAFF STIPULATIONS. SO A SECOND. HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT THIS? IF YOU PHRASE IT THE WAY YOU DID BEFORE, UH, APPROVAL WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND THEN AUTOMATICALLY RECEIVE THE VERIFICATION WITHOUT HAVING TO COME INTO THEN THAT'S WHAT I SHALL DO. YES. TO ACCEPT, UM, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ONE THROUGH FOUR OR ONE THROUGH THREE. AND FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND DISCUSSION. MR. CHAIR? YES, GO AHEAD. MR. UM, JUST, I, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IS. UM, KIND OF SEE HOW WE CAN MAYBE COME INTO SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PUT SOME OF IT IN COMPLIANCE. MAYBE PARTLY. I KNOW THAT MR. LASSETER IS NOT YOUR FAULT AND AND THIS IS THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST UH, DIFFICULT THINGS FOR US WHEN WE COME HERE. WHEN, WHEN, YEAH, CLEARLY IT WAS NOT YOUR FAULT THEY SPENT THE MONEY AND NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU ASKED TO SPEND SOME MONEY, A LOT OF MONEY TO RECEIVE A TAX VERIFICATION, BUT YOU'RE THE ONE ULTIMATELY GONNA GET THE TAX VERIFICATION. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU WOULD ACCEPT MODIFYING IN PUTTING INTO COMPLIANCE THE TWO DOORS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT, WHICH IS THE FRONT DOOR AND THE DOOR TO THE LEFT? AND I'M NOT SAYING, BUT I'M JUST, IF, IF THAT'S AN OPTION, CAN'T HEAR HIM. I'M SORRY. I THINK YOU'RE MUTED AGAIN. I APOLOGIZE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. YES MA'AM. IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. YES MA'AM. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO COMPLY MA'AM, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UH, IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO DISCUSS THE FIRST MOTION. OKAY. UM, MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION MOTION WILL BE TO APPROVE. UM, SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE ITEMS. IS IT AN AMENDMENT MOTION OR SUBSTITUTE MOTION AMENDMENT? AMENDMENT THE SAME THING. [00:55:04] SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM THREE AND ITEM TWO WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE SIDE AND READ DOORS AS IS. AND THEN, UM, ONCE THE APPLICANT HAS RETURNED THE FRONT DOOR AND SIDELINE CONFIGURATION AND THE FRONT DOOR TO THE LEFT TO COMPLIANCE, UH, APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THERE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. AND JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE FRONT SIDE, THE FRONT DOOR TO THE LEFT, NOT THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR. UM, YES MA'AM. ACCORDING TO STAFF, THAT WOULD BE JUST TO MODIFY THE GLASS TO BECOME CLEAR, NOT FROSTED. SO IT'S NOT A COMPLETE MODIFICATION. I WOULD SAY THE MODIFICATION THAT IS THE BIGGEST MODIFICATION WOULD BE THE FRONT DOOR CONFIGURING. YES, MA'AM. AND I, AND I, AND I APOLOGIZE MA'AM. IT IS, IT IS, UH, CLEAR. WE HAVE JUST LIKE A COVERING OVER THAT JUST FOR SECURITY FROM THE STREET, JUST SOME TRANSIENT ACTIVITY AROUND THERE. WE WANTED OUR GUESTS THAT WERE STANDING THERE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE. SO THERE'S JUST LIKE A LITTLE FILM WE PUT OVER IT JUST SO PEOPLE CAN'T LOOK THROUGH THE WINDOW AS SOMEBODY'S SLEEPING IN THAT ROOM. I GUESS GUESS IF YOU CAN JUST SHOW STAFF THAT WITHOUT THE FILM OR WITH THE FILM. I MEAN, I CLARIFY THAT WITH STAFF. I THINK STAFF WILL BE FINE WITH IT. YEAH. YES MA'AM. WE CAN DO THAT WITH NO FILM FOR SURE, MA'AM. IT'S JUST A LITTLE COVERING WE PUT. YEAH, I, I'LL SECOND AT THAT. PERFECT. WELL YOU, YOU ADDED SOMETHING TO IT AFTERWARDS, SO WANTED TO MAKE, JUST BE SURE. SO, UM, ANY DISCUSSION, UH, MR. CHAIR? I AM, UM, SYMPATHETIC TO THE APPLICANT'S ECONOMIC SITUATION, ESPECIALLY NOW. UM, HOWEVER, I DO SEE THIS AS A, A BUSINESS INVESTMENT. THIS IS NOT HOMESTEADED. UH, THERE ARE, UH, MANY WAYS THAT TAX RELIEF CAN COME TO THIS PROPERTY EVEN WITHOUT THE, UH, UH, TAX CREDIT. SO, UM, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. AND, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, I, I AGREE, UM, THAT THIS ISN'T YOUR FAULT, YOU KNOW, AS COMMISSIONER GURU MENTIONED, BUT, AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU FEEL MISLED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER. UM, YES SIR. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE MODIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THE TAX CREDITS, UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A, IT IS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY FOR YOU. BASICALLY, IT'S, IT'S NOT YOUR HOMESTEAD. SO IN ORDER TO GET TO THOSE ITEMS, I MEAN GET TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, UNFORT, I MEAN, I'M GONNA SAY UNFORTUNATELY, BUT YOU HAVE TO PUT THOSE FUNDS INTO IT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE, MAKE THOSE MODIFICATIONS. SO I, UM, YES SIR. HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. SO, UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION THEN WE HAVE A, UM, VOTE ON THIS. CAN I JUST ASK FOR CLARITY WHAT THAT LAST SURE, GO AHEAD. PIECE MEANS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. SO HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THE TAX CREDITS UNLESS THESE GO BACK TO THE GUIDELINES. WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE MOTION, HOW THE MOTION PLAYS OUT. BUT YOU KNOW, BASED ON, UH, WHAT STAFF PUT IN HERE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS NEED TO BE BROUGHT BACK INTO WHERE IT SHOULD BE NOT FOR IT TO BE APPROVED. YEAH, SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS THAT EVERY ITEM IDENTIFIED BY STAFF WOULD HAVE TO BE CORRECTED. THE AMENDED MOTION IS THAT ONLY THE TWO FRONT DOORS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET WOULD HAVE TO BE CORRECTED. SO THAT LEAVES TWO DOORS IN THE BACK AND A WINDOW IN THE REAR THAT COULD REMAIN AS IS TO RECEIVE THE VERIFICATION. MAY I HAVE A, UH, ROLL CALL IN THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION? YES. CASTILLO AYE MADE THE MOTION RIGHT? I'M SORRY, I MADE THE MOTION. I MADE THE MOTION. AYE. SINO NAY GALLOWAY. AYE. GIVE AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES. YES. AND GIBBS. AYE. DON'T FORGET I'M THAT SIR. OH, I'M SORRY. FETZER. NAY AND GIBBS'. AYE. SO MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON AND MOTION HAS BEEN AMENDED SO WE'LL VOTE. WE WILL VOTE AGAIN. WE MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION. CASTILLO AYE. ON THE MAIN, THE ORIGINAL AMENDED MOTION. SO YES, THE MAIN MOTION AS AMEND AS AMENDED. OKAY. GOT WHAT WE WOULD, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. DO I NEED TO STATE [01:00:01] THAT COREY? WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. SINO, NAY, GALLOWAY AYE. KIRA. AYE. AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER, NAY AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. UM, I WANTED TO TAKE A, MAKE A REQUEST A POINT OF PRIVILEGE JUST TO, UM, MAKE A REQUEST OF STAFF FROM ONE OF THE EARLIER APPLICANTS NOT HAVING AS READILY ACCESS TO THE GUIDELINES AS THEY WISHED. UM, AND, UH, ESPECIALLY AFTER SOME PREVIOUS CASES OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. UM, I THINK AS A DEPARTMENT OR AN AS AN OFFICE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A STRONGER PUSH TO GET GUIDELINES INTO THE HANDS OF APPLICANT'S ASAP. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE THE REQUEST THAT ON OUR DESKTOP FOLDER WE ALSO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS FOR OUR USE DURING THE HEARING. UM, WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY, UM, FAMILIAR WITH THEM AS REQUIRED BY THE UDC. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE GUIDELINES, THE POLICY DOCUMENTS, AS WELL AS THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE. IT MAKES FOR A GREAT, UM, QUICK REFERENCE WHEN WE'RE HERE. THANK YOU. WE ARE RETURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.