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GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.[9:00 A.M. - Call to Order]
I WILL NOW BE CALLING TO ORDER OUR MEETING AT 8 46.AT THIS TIME, COULD PLEASE HAVE ROLL CALL FLORES.
UH, UH HERE, REGARD ZER PRESENT FULLERTON.
IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS COME AND MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT.
NOW AT THIS MOMENT, THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL I, JUANITA CHAIRWOMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR JASON VASQUEZ IS IN FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, OR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTIES IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFY UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN, DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF THE DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANY PERSON PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION IN ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE OR A PRO OR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON IN THE CA WHEN THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASES REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR THE OPPOSE FOR THE OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY BE ASSIGNED UP TO, MAY BE ASSIGNED TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, WILL YOU PLEASE PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENCE.
[ Approval of Minutes ]
THE FIRST THING I'M GONNA HAVE YOU DO IS I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION IN ACTION FOR THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JANUARY 19TH.THERE IS CURRENTLY A, A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MOTIONS AS DISTRIBUTED AT THIS TIME, PLEASE PLACE YOUR VOTES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH AN AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED SIGNIFY WITH A NO.
ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? HEARING NONE.
MOTION PASSES TO, UH, FOR THE MINUTES TO BE APPROVED AS DISTRIBUTED.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
AND SO NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA.UM, ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE ITEMS ON CONSENT AS WELL AS AN INDIVIDUAL AGENDA.
UM, WE DID HAVE FOUR ON CONSENT.
UH, WE WILL BE PULLING ITEM THREE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK NOTE BEFORE WE PROCEED.
THAT ITEM 11, WHICH IS FOUR 18 FUR, HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
IT WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, WE'LL BEGIN WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT.
UM, I BELIEVE WE JUST HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM TWO AND WE'LL PLAY THAT NOW.
THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 2 5 0 QUENTIN DRIVE.
I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE
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OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MPNA AND THE 10 MEMBER BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF MPNA PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.WE APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME WHERE A FIRE OCCURRED IN APRIL OF 2022, WHICH PRECIPITATED THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE HOME.
AT THIS TIME, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A NEW OWNER AFTER THE FIRE HAS TAKEN STEPS TO REHABILITATE THE STRUCTURE, REMOVAL OF THE FIRE DAMAGED ROOF, AND PULLED TRADE PERMITS FOR FOUNDATION, ELECTRICAL AND BUILDING REPAIRS.
HOWEVER, THE HOUSE HAS NOT SEEN ANY SUBSTANTIVE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS AND IS UNSECURED WITHOUT COMMENT FROM THE OWNER ON STATUS OF REPAIRS.
AT THIS TIME, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD IN THE OFFICE OF STORE PRESERVATION, WORKING WITH THE OWNER TO ESTABLISH A TIMELINE FOR WORK TO BE COMPLETED.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THE COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT.
UM, AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONERS CAN OPT TO PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, UM, OR A DIFFERENT MOTION OTHER THAN WHAT A STAFF HAS RECOMMEND RECOMMENDED.
UM, AND IF NOT, WE CAN TAKE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF ACTION ON ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS ON CONSENT.
WE NOW HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT.
THERE IS NOW A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE ON ITEMS FOR CONSENT ONE, TWO, AND FOUR AT THIS TIME.
FOR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY WITH A YES.
ACTUALLY, MADAM CHAIR, CAN YOU REQUEST A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO REQUEST A ROLL CALL.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 3 34 WEST MULBERRY, TWO 50, QUENTIN, AND 6 39 MISSION STREET.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
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UM, SO I'M GONNA NARRATE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I USUALLY DO JUST 'CAUSE THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING AND SO WE'RE ALL GETTING USED TO IT.SO CLAUDIA IS THE CASE MANAGER FOR ITEM THREE.
SO SHE'LL COME UP, SHE'LL PRESENT THE CASE BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN CALLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND THEN IF THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO, UH, TO, UH, PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME.
MADAM CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE, UM, REQUEST AND THE RECOMMENDATION INTO THE MINUTES? YES, PLEASE.
UM, ATTEND ITEM NUMBER THREE, UM, ONE 20 EAST MULBERRY.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE ALL THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND WHOLESALE, REPLACE THEM WITH ALUMINUM CLOUD WINDOWS.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE WOOD WINDOWS WITH IN KIND MATERIALS.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, ASHLEY GRAY, IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.
SORRY, MS. GRAY, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE VIRTUAL, SO I JUST MADE YOU A PANELIST.
UM, YOU'LL NEED TO MUTE SO THAT WE CAN HEAR YOU.
MS. GRAY, ARE YOU THERE? THERE I, I THINK NOW I'M UNMUTED.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE JUST YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UM, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH OUR WINDOWS.
I KNOW CLAUDIA CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT 'EM A YEAR.
ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE ASKED FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR WHAT ARE ITEMS? I THINK ONE, TWO WINDOWS ONE, TWO, AND THREE ON OUR, UM,
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PLAP.UH, THEY'RE THE ONES TO THE LEFT OF THE FRONT DOOR.
AND WE HAD A CONTRACTOR COME OUT WHO DOES WORK ON HISTORIC HOMES.
HE STARTED THE PROJECT AND REALIZED THAT IT WAS JUST, UM, A MESS IN THERE THAT THERE WAS TONS OF WOOD ROT.
UH, IT WATER HAD SEEPED INTO THE WALL BELOW THE WINDOWS, SO, AND HE, HE SAID IT WAS JUST TOO BIG A PROJECT.
SO WE, AND I THINK YOU JUST PASSED THE PHOTO OF THE WINDOW I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT, UM, WE HAD SEVERAL CONTRACTORS COME LOOK AT IT AND THEY JUST SAID THE WHOLE WINDOW OR THE WHOLE THREE WINDOWS ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME OUT AND BE REPLACED.
UM, I THINK JUST DOING THE ALUMINUM CLAD, IT'S LIKE $10,000 TO DO THAT.
UH, WOOD WINDOWS WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO INCUR THAT COST.
THE OTHER WINDOWS, I KNOW CLAUDIA SAID SHE DIDN'T RECOMMEND REPLACING THEM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THEY'RE ALL PAINTED, WE GET THEM PAINTED PRETTY REGULARLY, TRYING TO PRESERVE THEM, BUT THEY ARE LIKE, SWISS CHEESE IS WHAT THE CONTRACTORS HAVE TOLD US.
UM, SOME OF THE WINDOWS ARE ACTUALLY, LIKE, LARGE PORTIONS OF THEM ARE BONDO AND NOT WOOD.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT BONDO IS, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S SOME SORT OF PUTTY, UM, THAT THEY USE TO FILL, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE THE WOOD ROD OUT AND FILL IT IN.
SO, UM, ONLY THREE OF THE WINDOWS CURRENTLY WORK RIGHT NOW.
AND WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO REPLACE 'EM, GET SOME DOUBLE PAINT WINDOWS TO HELP WITH ENERGY EFFICIENCY, TO HELP WITH NOISE CONTROL.
WE'RE ON MULBERRY, WHICH IS A SUPER BUSY STREET.
UM, SO WE JUST ASK THAT YOU APPROVE OUR APPLICATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT, JUST AS PART OF OUR NORMAL KIND OF CASE REVIEW, UM, THE CASE MANAGER ALWAYS MAKES A SITE VISIT FOR THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS, AND WE WILL EXAMINE THE WINDOWS AND PROVIDE, UM, THEIR FINDINGS IN THIS REPORT.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT'S BEING, UH, FINDING B UH, YOU CAN READ, UH, STAFF'S, UH, ASSESSMENT OF THE WINDOWS.
UM, GENERALLY WOOD WINDOWS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED OVER TIME CAN BE REPAIRED.
AND SO THAT'S TYPICALLY A RECOMMENDATION IS THAT REPAIR BE PRIORITIZED OVER REPLACEMENT.
UM, AND IF THERE'S CASES WHERE ORIGINAL MATERIALS ARE LOST OR MORE THAN 50% OF MATERIALS ARE, ARE MISSING AND CAN'T BE, UH, UH, REINTRODUCED WITHOUT REPLACING THE WINDOW UNIT, THEN REPLACEMENT IS ACCEPTABLE.
UM, AND IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND A, A IN-KIND WOOD REPLACEMENT SO THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SAME MATERIALS GOING BACK IN SIMILAR APPEARANCE.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE, THE, THE WINDOW THAT'S THE WORST.
THOSE THREE IN THE FRONT, UM, WINDOWS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, THEY ARE NOT HISTORIC WINDOWS.
THEY ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
THE ACTUAL ROOM THAT THEY'RE IN WAS ORIGINALLY A, A OPEN PORCH THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST 110 YEARS WAS ENCLOSED.
UH, THE ENCLOSURE, IT WAS LIKE THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, BUT IT, THOSE PARTICULAR WINDOWS ARE NOT HISTORIC WINDOWS.
THOSE, YEAH, THE ONES I THINK THAT YOU HAVE THE CURSOR ON.
SO THIS IS THE GROUP OF THREE WINDOWS ON THE LEFT.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A PICTURE OF THE, THERE IS A MONTE VISTA BOOK AND I FEEL LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL HAVE IT.
I DON'T HAVE A COPY, BUT I THINK THAT IN THAT BOOK, THERE'S A PICTURE OF THE HOUSE WITH IT, WITH THAT AREA AS AN ENCLOSED OR, UH, SORRY, AN OPEN PORCH, LIKE A SIDE PORCH ON THE HOUSE.
CLAUDIA, IS THERE ANY PICTURES OF, UH, THE SUPPOSED ROT OR DECAY OF THE WINDOWS? YEAH, SO THIS IN PARTICULAR WINDOW RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE MOST DETERIORATION, UM, THAT WAS NOTED IN THE FINDING.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY BOTTOM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS SOME, UM, WATER YEAH.
UM, SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S MOST CONCERNING.
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LIKE THEY WERE IN, UM, REPAIRABLE CONDITION.IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UM, PAINT PEELING.
I DON'T SEE ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR REPLACEMENT OF THIS WINDOW OR WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OF THE, ALL THE WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE.
AND THEY SEEM COMPLIMENTARY TO THE STYLE OF THE HOME.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S A TOUGH SELL.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN TELL SO MUCH FROM THE INSIDE.
IT'S, TO ME IT'S THE OUTSIDE THAT REALLY SHOWS IT.
CLAUDIA, IS THERE PICTURES OF THE MORE DETAILS OF THE OUTSIDE? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT MEAN I'M STANDING IN THE ROOM WHERE IT IS.
I COULD TAKE MY IPAD OVER THERE AND IF THAT WOULD HELP.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY IN THESE PICTURES BECAUSE THERE'S WINDOW OR WOOD SCREENS THAT ARE KIND OF SHOW COVERING THE BOTTOM PART, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHERE MOST OF THE DAMAGE IS.
WE, YEAH, I, I THINK WE, WE HAD A, A GUY COME OVER AND TAKE OFF ALL THE SCREENS AND SUBMITTED PICTURES WITHOUT THE SCREENS ALSO.
SO THERE SHOULD BE SOME PICTURES IN THERE WITHOUT THE SCREENS.
DO WE HAVE THIS CLAUDIA, MS. GRAY PERHAPS? YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD A CONTRACTOR WHO WAS EXPERIENCING HISTORIC WINDOWS, UH, COME OUT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHARE AGAIN WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK YOU GOT FROM HIM? YEAH.
HIS, HIS NAME WAS LEWIS, AND I CANNOT REMEMBER HIS LAST NAME, BUT HE'S, HIS COMPANY IS CALLED MY THREE SONS.
AND I MEAN, THEY DID WINDOWS ON MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
THEY, UM, I THINK HE PRESENTS AT THE, THE LITTLE, UM, HISTORIC HOMEOWNERS FAIR.
UH, UH, IT USED TO BE AT THE PEARL.
UM, AND HE STARTED ON THE PROJECT, WE GOT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS LAST FEBRUARY, I THINK IT WAS.
AND HE STARTED ON IT AND HE GOT, I THINK THE WINDOW IN QUESTION OUT.
AND HE WAS LIKE, OH, THIS, LIKE, THIS WHOLE THING HAS TO COME OUT.
UM, THIS IS TOO BIG A JOB FOR ME TO DO.
AND, AND WE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY, IT'S TOO BIG A JOB THAT, SO WE ENDED UP GOING TO G***O.
'CAUSE THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT REALLY HAD THE CAPABILITY IT SEEMED LIKE, TO HANDLE IT.
AND DO YOU THINK WHEN HE SAID, THIS IS TOO BIG A JOB, IS THAT RELATED TO THE OTHER ISSUES? I I THINK IT WAS, I MEAN THAT CENTRAL OR THE ISSUES WITH THE HOUSE THAT SURROUNDED AS A RESULT OF WATER AND OTHER THINGS? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN, HE ONLY LOOKED AT THOSE WINDOWS.
HE, HE DIDN'T LOOK AT ANY OF THE OTHER WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE.
BUT, UM, HE SEEMED TO THINK THAT LIKE, THINGS NEEDED, AND I AM NOT THE ONE WHO REALLY HANDLED THIS, MY HUSBAND DID, BUT HE GETS REALLY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS.
SO HE, HE WAS LIKE, YOU JUST DO THE HEARING.
UM, I, I THINK THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO REBUILD THINGS THAT, LIKE, I THINK MAYBE THE FRAME AROUND THE WINDOW JUST WAS FALLING APART WHEN, WHEN HE TOOK OUT THE FIRST ONE.
I MEAN, WE HAD PLYWOOD UP FOR A DAY OR TWO BEFORE HE COULD COME BACK AND LIKE, KIND OF COBBLE IT BACK TOGETHER SO THAT IT WASN'T AN OPEN HOLE.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
WELL, I SAY THAT HE PROBABLY DIDN'T START ON IT TILL MAYBE APRIL OR MAY.
DID HE, UM, WAS HIS SUGGESTION TO USE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT HE SAID THAT.
I THINK THE FIRST, UM, COA WE SAID WE WOULD DO WOOD, WOOD WINDOWS.
AND THEN WHEN WE REALIZED THAT THIS IS GONNA BE AN ONGOING PROBLEM, AND THE REST OF THE HOUSE, THE WINDOWS ON THE REST OF THE HOUSE, YOU, YOU CAN'T SEE THE ROT BECAUSE WE'VE, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE GET THE HOUSE PAINTED, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, LET ME SHOW YOU THIS AND THIS AND THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SAND IT DOWN AND THEY FILL IT UP AND THEY PAINT OVER IT.
UM, BUT AT SOME POINT IT'S GONNA BE ALL BONDO AND NO WOOD.
UM, SO WE, WE REALLY WANTED TO GO TO SOMETHING THAT WASN'T GONNA HAVE THIS PROBLEM.
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TO CLARIFY, WAS THE CONTRACTOR'S FEEDBACK ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF REPAIRS, ABOUT ALL OF THE WINDOWS ON THE HOME WERE SPECIFIC TO THESE THREE? I I THINK HIS WERE JUST SPECIFIC TO THOSE THREE.WE, WE DID NOT HAVE LEWIS AND I WILL GOOGLE HIS LAST NAME.
UM, WE DID NOT HAVE HIM LOOK AT THE OTHER WINDOWS.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS? OH, LOUIS ELIZONDO.
CLAUDIA, WAS ANYTHING ELSE IN ADDITION SUPPORTED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT HER REQUEST? ANY OTHER REVIEWS? DEON TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE AND NOT GO AGAINST RECOMMENDATIONS? NO.
DID WE HEAR FROM, UH, MONTE VISTA AT ALL? NO.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS, OR ITEMS TO BE SUBMITTED AT THIS POINT? IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, WE WILL USUALLY, UM, WE LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION KIND OF OUT THERE.
BEFORE WE BEGIN DISCUSSING, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
WELL FIRST WITH STAFF, UM, NOT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDINGS B AND E AND REPLACEMENT.
RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE WOOD WINDOWS WITH INKIND MATERIALS.
ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS AT THIS TIME? I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE AN E.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH THE ROLL CALL? IF YOU WITH A YES.
MOTION CARRIES AS RECOMMENDED.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING CLAY BARREL TILE ROOF WITH THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
AND TWO, REMOVE THE EXISTING FLOWER BOXES LOCATED BENEATH THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE.
ROOF REPLACEMENT AS PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDS A CLAY BARREL TILE ROOF BE INSTALLED, OR A COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT MATCHES THE ORIGINAL AND PROFILE MATERIAL AND TEXTURE.
AND TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REMOVAL OF FLOWER BOXES.
BASED ON FINDING D THE APPLICANT CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THE BOXES AS A DESIGN ELEMENT ARE NOT ORIGINAL, THEN THEY MAY BE REMOVED.
SO I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, AUTO, UM, HERE VIRTUALLY MR. OT, YOU'LL NEED TO, UM, UNMUTE SO THAT WE CAN HEAR YOU.
CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE, UM, DO THAT, COREY? SO WHY ARE WE DOING, I GOT, I GOT OUTTA ORDER.
SO, UM, MADAM CHAIR, WE READ ITEM SIX, ITEM SIX VERSUS ITEM FIVE.
UM, THAT'S NOT THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA.
IF YOU WANT US TO PROCEED WITH SIX OR WE'LL GO BACK TO FIVE.
CAN WE PLEASE GO BACK TO FIVE? YES, WE WILL.
ADDRESS 1 0 3 FOR THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONVERT AN ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING TO A DOOR OPENING ON THE FRONT FACADE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C AND D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW BE REINSTALLED AND THAT THE OPENING SHOULD RETURN TO ITS ORIGINAL SIZE AND PROFILE.
SHOULD THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD FIND THE PROPOSED CONVERSION BE APPROPRIATE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT AN ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE WOOD
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DOOR BE INSTALLED.THE DOOR SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO OHB STAFF PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT, MR. IDO TREVINO IS WITH US VIRTUALLY.
HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING? UH, I'D LIKE TO START OFF.
UM, WE VALUE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION.
OUR FAMILY HAS LIVED IN THE LACA AND THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1962.
THERE ARE A FEW WHO HAVE DONE MORE, UH, THAN OUR FAMILY TO PRESERVE AND CONSERVE HOMES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT THE ISSUE AT 1 0 3 F IS MORE THAN JUST PRESERVATION.
THE ISSUE IS SECURING A SECOND EXIT TO THE TENANTS AT 1 0 3.
I MEAN, UNIT NUMBER TWO, UH, 1 0 3 FUR WAS BUILT IN 1930 AT THE TRIX UNIT.
ONE HAS A FRONT AND REAR ENTRANCE OR EXIT NUMBER TWO.
NUMBER THREE IS THE UP UPSTAIRS HAS A LOFT WITH OPEN SPACE AND A PLENTY ROOM TO EXIT THE DOOR, WHEREAS UNIT NUMBER TWO ONLY HAS AN ENTRANCE TO THE BACK.
UM, AND, AND NO AND NO EXIT IN THE FRONT, ONLY OF THE WINDOW.
OUR CONCERN, UH, WITH THE LAYOUT IS THE KITCHEN IS WHERE MOST FIRES BEGIN.
AND THE KITCHEN DOOR BUILT IN 1930 IS NARROW, ABOUT 24 INCHES WIDE AT THE CURRENT DOOR.
CURRENTLY IS, I MEAN, WITH THE CURRENT EXIT DOOR IS 36, YOU KNOW, IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, WE WOULD NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, TO UNLOCK THE FRONT DOOR, THE WINDOW TO GET OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE, THE SECOND, UH, EXIT.
SO WE RESPECTFULLY, AS THE SAFETY OF OUR TENANTS AT 1 0 3 FOR, TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE FRONT DOOR AS A SECOND FIRE EXIT.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE, WHAT WAS THE FINAL REVIEW ON THIS ONE? YES, SO I'LL PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT AND BACKGROUND.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE THE PHOTO ON THE SCREEN, UH, APRIL 30TH TO 2020, UH, THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING, UH, WHICH IS COMPARABLE TO THE WINDOW THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HERE WHERE MY MOUSE IS HOVERING, UH, THAT WAS REMOVED AND THIS DOOR WAS INSTALLED.
UM, OHP STAFF ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER AND CITATION AT THAT TIME.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT POSTED HERE.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER WENT FORWARD TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THAT MODIFICATION.
UH, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, UM, DENIED THE MODIFICATION.
UH, AND WITH THAT DENIAL, THE APPLICANT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR RETURNING THE OPENING TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION.
UH, THE, UH, COMPLIANCE WORK NEVER TOOK PLACE.
UH, WHEN STAFF REACHED OUT TO THE APPLICANT, UH, TO SEEK COMPLIANCE, UH, THROUGH A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT, UH, THE APPLICANT ASKED IF THERE WAS AN OPTION FOR HIM TO RETURN TO THE COMMISSION, UH, TO ESSENTIALLY HAVE THIS REHEARD, UH, TO SEE IF HE COULD, EXCUSE ME, TO SEE IF HE COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME.
UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
UM, THE, UH, GUIDELINES AND I CAN, UH, READ THE FINDING THAT MAY BE HELPFUL.
UH, SO THE GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATION SIX A ONE NOTES THAT ORIGINAL WINDOW AND OR DOOR OPENING SHOULD BE PRESERVED.
ADDITIONALLY, THE GUIDELINES NOTE THAT APPLICANT SHOULD AVOID CREATING NEW PRIMARY ENTRANCES OR WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE PRIMARY FACADE, OR WHERE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED CONVERSION FROM A WINDOW OPENING TO A DOOR OPENING TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS.
UH, STAFF FINDS THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW SHOULD BE REINSTALLED AND THAT THE OPENING SHOULD RETURN TO ITS ORIGINAL SIZE AND PROFILE.
UH, AND THAT'S IN FINDING C UH, FOR REFERENCE IF, IF ANY ADDITIONAL REFERENCE IS NEEDED.
MR. TREVINO, ARE YOU TELL, ARE YOU TELLING US THAT YOU DO NOT REC RESIDE AT THIS, AT THE FACILITY? YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TENANTS THERE? WE DO HAVE TENANTS THERE.
AND I BELIEVE YOU STATED THIS WAS A FAMILY HOME.
WE, WE, WE, UH, WAY BACK AT THE TIME, WE, WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE FROM MY AUNT, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
AND SO WE, WE TOOK THE EXISTING OPENING.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T RECREATE AN OPENING.
THERE WAS A WINDOW THERE ALREADY.
UM, THE, THE ENTRANCE FROM THE ONLY ENTRANCE TO THE UNIT IS FOR THE BACK DOOR, WHICH IS THE KITCHEN.
UH, AND THEN THE, FROM THE KITCHEN TO THE REST OF THE UNIT, IT'S, THE OPENING DOOR IS ONLY 24 INCHES.
SO WE HAD PEOPLE THAT, THAT WANTED TO MOVE INTO THE, THE APARTMENT, BUT THE ONLY WAY TO GET FURNITURE IN THE HOUSE WAS TO OPEN IT, GO THROUGH THE FRONT WINDOW, WHICH COULD BE A HAZARD, RIGHT? PEOPLE COULD GET HURT GETTING IN AND OUT.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS OUR, ONE OF THE CONCERNS.
BUT ALSO BEING THAT IF THE ONLY EXIT IS THROUGH THE BACK DOOR AND IT'S THROUGH THE KITCHEN, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED A SECOND EXIT TO THE, TO THE UNIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, MOST, YOU KNOW, 44% OF THE, THE FIRE IS START IN THE KITCHEN.
AND IF THAT'S THE ONLY EXIT, I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE KITCHEN THROUGHOUT TO GO OUT THROUGH THE BACK DOOR, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY
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WE WENT.WE NEEDED A SECOND EXIT, UM, WHICH WE NEEDED IN THE FRONT.
EDWARD, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT IS TALKING ABOUT A SAFETY ISSUE AND A FIRE ISSUE.
SO HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO HOW YOUR ANALYSIS AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS COME TO BE? YES.
SO, UM, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHAT OHB STAFF IS TASKED WITH, AND WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS, IS, IS SOLELY THE EXTERIOR OF A STRUCTURE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE INTERIOR.
THERE'S A, A SET OF CODE REGULATIONS, UH, FIRE REVIEW, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PROVIDES, UH, THAT WOULD DETERMINE, UH, EXITS.
HOWEVER, UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, COREY MAY NEED TO STEP IN, OR CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT AN ADEQUATE WINDOW OPENING IN A BEDROOM SUFFICES FOR, UH, FOR EGRESS IN, IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE.
UH, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WHAT OHP HAS PURVIEW OVER, UM, WE'RE SOLELY REVIEWING THE MODIFICATION TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE COULD ALSO SAY THAT GIVEN THE INTERIOR CONFIGURATION OR LAYOUT OF THE STRUCTURE, THAT ADEQUATE EGRESS OR LIFE SAFETY EGRESS BE ADDRESSED WITH MODIFYING THE, THE INTERIOR VERSUS THE EXTERIOR.
IF, IF, IF, IF I MAY, UH, ADD, I MEAN, NOT ADD THAT, BUT WHAT MOST TENANTS DO, RIGHT, THEY'LL PUT THEIR BEDROOMS, I MEAN THEIR, THEIR BEDS, THE STRUCTURE OF THE BEDS IN FRONT OF THE WINDOWS.
SO YOU, YOU BLOCK WINDOWS WITH BEDS, YOU HAVE, YOU BLOCK WINDOWS WITH COUCHES OR OTHER TABLES.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE OR EXIT, YOU KNOW, AN APARTMENT WITH ONLY ONE EXIT, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF FURNITURE.
YOU GOTTA MOVE OUT OF THE WAY IN ORDER TO EXIT FROM THE SECOND, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HAVING A DOOR, IT RESTRICTS TENANT FROM PUTTING FURNITURE IN FRONT OF THE DOOR.
UH, SO THAT WAY THEY HAVE AN EXIT TO THE, A SECOND EXIT TO THE UNIT.
UH, ALSO DO WE, UM, DID YOU GUYS HAPPEN TO GO BACK TO THE 2020 HDRC CASE AND JUST UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS DENIED BACK THEN? UH, YES, SIR.
SO I ACTUALLY, UM, I HAVE THE, UM, THE COMMISSION ACTION LETTER, UH, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A, A RECORD OR A DOCUMENT, UH, THAT NOTES, UM, AND IT, IT'S SIMPLE.
IT'S A, A SIMPLE REVIEW OF THE GUIDELINES, UH, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE GUIDELINES BE FOLLOWED AND UPHELD.
UH, SO THAT DENIAL AT THAT TIME, UH, WAS STRICTLY BASED ON WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY, WHAT HAS OCCURRED, UH, AND WHAT STAFF AND THE COMMISSION FOUND TO BE APPROPRIATE IN THE CORRECT MOTION AT THE TIME.
AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE THAT TIME.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AS WELL.
SO OUR UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEN, UM, IT'S CONVERTED TO MULTIFAMILY.
IS THAT CORRECT? I, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT ENOUGH TO SPEAK ON IT.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT OHP DOES NOT HAVE PURVIEW OF USE AS FAR AS NUMBER OF TENANTS, UH, OR THE ZONING THAT WOULD REGULATE HOW MANY UNITS COULD BE ON A PRO, ON A, ON A SITE.
UM, WE'RE JUST STRICTLY LOOKING AT ARCHITECTURALLY, UM, A MODIFICATION THAT WAS DONE TO THE STRUCTURE, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT.
SO AT THIS TIME, COREY, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ACTUALLY BEING TAKEN OR ACTED ON? YES, OF COURSE.
UM, SO USUALLY IF THERE'S A VIOLATION, WE WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER REGARDING THE OUTCOME HERE.
UM, AND WE GIVE THEM A TIMELINE TO COMPLY.
AND SO THERE IS A PERIOD IN WHICH WE'RE FOLLOWING UP WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, IN THIS CASE IT JUST KIND OF NEVER HAPPENED.
AND SO, UH, AT A ROUTINE SITE, ACTUALLY, EDWARD, WHAT PROMPTED THIS ONE? JUST LIKE ANOTHER REQUEST THAT CAME IN AND WE NOTICED IT? UH, NO, THE THING IS A COMBINATION OF LOOKING AT OLD SPREADSHEETS, TRYING TO RESOLVE PAST VIOLATION CASES, AND THEN, UH, AN APP OR A NEIGHBOR HAD HAD INQUIRED ABOUT, UH, THE COMPLIANCE WORK.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT PROMPTED THE CONVERSATION OF COMPLIANCE, UH, AND THE APPLICANT ASKING FOR, UH, THE OPTION TO RETURN TO THE COMMISSION, UH, FOR RECONSIDERATION.
ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF I, IF I MAY? YES.
I MEAN, IF, IF THE OPTION IS TO KEEP THE DOOR, I MEAN, WE'LL EVEN WORK WITH THE HISTORICAL REVIEW BOARD TO GET AN, UH, A, AN APPROPRIATE DOOR TO SIT THE FACADE OF HISTORICAL INSTEAD OF THE CURRENT DOOR THAT WE HAVE THERE.
NOW, MR. TRAVINO, THAT'S AN OPTION.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED AT THIS MOMENT.
IT'S NOT SO MUCH AS THAT THE DOOR IS IN COMPLIANCE TO THE FRONT FACING OF THE STRUCTURE WITH OHP WHERE THEY'VE AFFORDED MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO COMPLY.
I DO BELIEVE I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FLOOR AS WELL.
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CAN YOU HEAR ME? OH, HELLO.SO THIS IS AN ENFORCEMENT CASE.
HOW LONG AGO WAS THIS FIRST CITED? THE INITIAL VIOLATION WAS CITED, UH, APRIL THE 30TH.
UH, THAT'S THE, UH, VIOLATION PHOTO FROM OUR REPORT, UH, THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW FROM BACK IN 2020.
YES, IT'S STILL GOING CORRECT? YES.
STAFF FOLLOWED UP WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, LAST YEAR TO ASK SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT, UH, TO, TO ADDRESS THE VIOLATION AND TO ADDRESS COMPLIANCE.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT ASKED IF THERE WAS AN OPTION TO RETURN TO THE COMMISSION FOR RECONSIDERATION.
UH, GIVEN THAT IT HAD BEEN A YEAR SINCE THE INITIAL, UH, DE DECISION BY THE COMMISSION.
UH, IF A, UH, UH, GET SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT.
UH, IF A REQUEST IS DENIED BY THE COMMISSION, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS TO WAIT A CALENDAR YEAR BEFORE THEY CAN REQUEST THAT SAME SCOPE OF WORK TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION, GIVEN THAT IT HAD BEEN A YEAR, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT REQUEST.
WE'VE LISTED THIS ON THE AGENDA, UH, FOR THE, THE CTAP HEARING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UM, DISCUSSIONS OR DOCUMENTATION TO BE SUBMITTED OR FOR REVIEW? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
EDWARD, HAVE WE MADE ADDITIONAL ATTEMPTS TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THIS, WITH THIS, UH, PARTICIPANT? I MEAN, WE REACHED OUT AS FAR AS COMPLIANCE, UM, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO AN APPLICANT PROVIDING, UH, AN OPTION OR AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY REVIEWED.
UM, CHAIRWOMAN, I WILL NOTE THAT, UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS BEGINNING TO ALLUDE TO IT.
UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, NOTED BASED ON THE GUIDELINES IS THE FIRST, UH, PORTION OF THE RECOMMENDATION.
HOWEVER, UM, IN RESPONSE TO IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATE OR IF WE'VE, UH, ATTEMPTED TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, IF THE CTA SHOULD REVIEW AND FIND THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACING OR MODIFYING THE OPENING IS APPROPRIATE, UM, THEN WE DO HAVE A STIPULATION REGARDING THE TYPE OF DOOR THAT'S INSTALLED TO AT LEAST ENSURE THAT THE REPLACEMENT DOOR IS, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UH, SO, UH, AS FAR AS IF WE'VE WORKED OR IF WE'VE JUST EXPLORED AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION, UM, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT THE SECOND PART OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT, UH, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE REC OR THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE PATH FORWARD.
UM, BUT SHOULD THE THE COMMISSION DETERMINE THAT THAT IS A PATH FORWARD, UH, WE WOULD AT LEAST RECOMMEND THAT, UH, AN ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE DOOR BE INSTALLED MOTION.
I'M READY TO, TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON FINDING C AND D AND RECOMMEND THE ORIGINAL WINDOW BE REINSTALLED AND THAT THE OPENING SHOULD RETURN TO ITS ORIGINAL SIZE AND PROFILE.
SO THAT, CAN I, I CURRENTLY HAVE A MOTION, EXCUSE ME.
THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF FOR C AND D AND FOR THE ORIGINAL TO BE REINSTATED.
I NOW HAVE A, HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO BE RETURNED TO ORIGINAL.
WE WILL SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF AND THE ORIGINAL WINDOW SHOULD BE REPLACED.
REINSTATE RE REESTABLISHED EDWARD.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, 5 0 7 FUR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING CLAY BARREL TILE ROOF WITH THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF AND TWO, REMOVE THE EXISTING FLOWER BOXES LOCATED BENEATH THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE.
ROOF REPLACEMENT AS PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDS A CLAY BARREL TILE ROOF BE INSTALLED OR A COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT MATCHES THE ORIGINAL AND PROFILE OF MATERIAL AND TEXTURE FOR ITEM TWO.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, THE REMOVAL OF FLOWER BOXES BASED ON FLOWER FINDING.
D IF THE APPLICANT CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THE BOXES AS THE DESIGN ELEMENT ARE NOT ORIGINAL, THEY MAY BE REMOVED.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT IS MR. JUAN MARTINEZ.
CAN I JUST ASK A QUICK CLARIFICATION QUESTION? MADAM
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CHAIR? UM, GO AHEAD.NUMBER TWO, THE RECOMMENDATION, IT SAYS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT IS AN ISSUE OR IF IT JUST HAS TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD.
YEAH, LET'S CLARIFY ON RECORD.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE IN PERSON MR. MARTINEZ? I HAVE A RICHARD G AND A VALENTINA.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE PRESENT, BUT WE DO HAVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME I WILL CALL OUR SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SIGNED IN PERSON TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS SARAH, I GOULD AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT SEVEN, WHERE I HAVE LIVED AT 5 0 2 FUR DRIVE SINCE 2011.
SO ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY I LIVE ON A VERY SPECIAL BLOCK IN MONTICELLO PARK.
THE ENTIRE BLOCK IS MADE UP OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
OVER HALF OF THE PROPERTIES WERE DESIGNED BY NATHAN STRAUSS NAAC, THE LEGENDARY ARCHITECT OF THE ANA APACHE COURTS, THE GUADALUPE THEATER, THE ALAMEDA THEATER, AND OF COURSE A BUNCH OF LARGE HOMES IN MONTICELLO PARK AND OTHER UPPER MIDDLE CLASS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT EMERGED IN THE 1930S.
THE NAFA HOMES ON THE 500 BLOCK OF FUR DRIVE ARE LIKE SIBLINGS.
THEY'RE ALL DISTINCT, BUT THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF SIMILAR FEATURES MAKING THEIR SHARED ORIGINS A VISIBLE PART OF OUR STREET SCAPE.
DURING THE PANDEMIC, OUR BLOCKS SUFFERED A GREAT DEAL.
FIVE OF THE PROPERTIES WERE SOLD RESULTING IN A MAJOR, UM, SPIKE IN RENTS THAT IN SOME CASES MORE THAN DOUBLED UNDER THE NEW OWNERS.
WE LOST QUITE A FEW OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, TWO OF THE NEW PROPERTY OWNERS SET ABOUT GUTTING NAFA HISTORIC INTERIOR DESIGNS.
AT THIS PROPERTY WE WITNESSED THE ORIGINAL LARGE KITCHEN SINKS TOSSED OUT ONTO THE YARD, ALONG WITH OTHER DEMOLITION DEBRIS.
THE REMOVE THE RECENT REMOVAL OF THE CLAY TILE ROOF AND FLOWER BOX CHANGED.
ONE OF THE, UM, AND IN PARTICULAR IT'S THE THE CLAY TILE ROOF THAT I, I THINK IS REALLY SHOCKING BECAUSE IT CHANGED ONE OF THE SIGNATURE FEATURES OF THE NAAC MULTIFAMILY HOMES ON THE 500 BLOCK OF FUR THAT IT WAS REPLACED WITH A FARMHOUSE TYPE OF SEAMED METAL ROOF IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR OUR BLOCK AND OUT OF CHARACTER FOR A MAY FACT DESIGN.
I'M PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE TO THE PROTECTION OF MAY FACT DESIGNS.
AS YOU MAY KNOW, HE WAS A REMARKABLE JEWISH TEXAN WHO GREW UP ABOVE HIS PARENTS' GAS STATION ACROSS FROM BRACKEN RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL.
HIS SENSITIVITY TO THE WORKING CLASS NEVER LEFT HIM.
WHILE MANY OF HIS RESIDENTIAL DESIGNS WERE FOR THE MIDDLE AND UPPER MIDDLE CLASS, HE WAS KEENLY AWARE OF THE STRUGGLES OF THE WORKING CLASS AND HE WAS A LOVER OF MEXICAN CULTURE.
HE DRAGGED HIS NEWLYWED BRIDE TO MEXICO CITY FOR THEIR HONEYMOON SO HE COULD SEE MEXICAN ARCHITECTURE, AN OBSERVANT JEW.
HE ALSO HAD WEEKLY LUNCHES WITH FATHER CARMELO T TRCA, THE PRIEST AT THE WEST SIDE GUADALUPE CHURCH.
HE LED A SLUM REMOVAL COMMITTEE TO ADDRESS THE LACK OF ADEQUATE HOUSING FOR THE WORKING POOR.
AND WITH FATHER T TR CASEY, HE TRAVELED TO WASHINGTON DC TO LOBBY FOR PUBLIC HOUSING IN SAN ANTONIO.
THEY WERE ULTIMATELY SUCCESSFUL AND HIS ALICE APACHE COURTS DESIGN IS BASED IN ON WORKING ON WORKER HOUSING IN MEXICO CITY.
ADDITIONALLY, HE DESIGNED A NUMBER OF SPANISH LANGUAGE THEATERS FOR, UH, GJ LUCCHESE, THE THEATER BARON, INCLUDING HIS OPUS, THE ALAMEDA THEATER.
FINALLY, HE WORKED TO SUCCESSFULLY REMOVE RACIAL DEED RESTRICTIONS IN MONTICELLO PARK BEFORE HIS DEATH.
NATHAN STRAUS NAFA A DESCENDANT OF EASTERN EUROPEAN JEWS WITHOUT A DROP OF MEXICAN BLOOD, WAS A MEXICAN AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS TRAILBLAZER.
HIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR BUILD ENVIRONMENT SHOULD BE RESPECTED AND PROTECTED.
UM, BIANCA MALDONADO, UH, MS. MALDONADO RECEIVED SIX MINUTES OF SPEAKING TIME.
TOM SIMMONS AND JAYA GARZA ARE HERE AND HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME.
I CHAIR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
I'M OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, MPNA PRESIDENT AND THE 10 MEMBER BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR MONTICELLO PARK.
UH, WE CAME DOWN HERE TODAY BECAUSE
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THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CASE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE PRIOR SPEAKER TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE ARCHITECT, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THIS IS OUR 41ST YEAR THAT WE'VE BEEN REGISTERED WITH THE CITY, UM, AND WE'RE VERY PRIDEFUL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE ALSO HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON AS MANY CASES AS POSSIBLE.
WE CAN'T ALWAYS BE DOWN HERE, BUT WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO PRESERVATION IN SAN ANTONIO.
WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS BRING A LITTLE BIT OF PAR, A LITTLE BIT OF MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT TO YOU TODAY.
'CAUSE I KNOW ALL TOO OFTEN YOU DON'T GET A CHANCE TO COME OUT AND SEE.
YOU MAY ONLY SEE A FEW PICTURES OF AN APPLICANT.
UM, THIS IS WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKED LIKE BEFORE.
OBVIOUSLY THE PALM TREE HAS DIED BECAUSE OF THE FREEZE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE CLAY TILE ROOF.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CLAY TILE ROOF THAT WAS REMOVED WAS NOT ORIGINAL.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTRIBUTING ELEMENT THAT A CLAY TILE ROOF HAS TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO YOU HEARD ABOUT MR. NAAC RIGHT AND HIS CONTRIBUTION.
HE RESIDED IN MONTICELLO PARK.
OUR NAME MONTICELLO PARK CAME FROM MR. NAAC AND HIS COMMITMENT TO DEVELOP OUR COMMUNITIES IN THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES.
HE RESIDED AT 5 0 5 CLUB AND HIS HOUSE THAT HE BUILT SITS IN A SERIES OF SEVEN HOMES.
HE HAD A HUGE CONTRIBUTION TO ENSURING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DESIGNING HOMES AS SMALL AS 1100 SQUARE FEET IN MONTICELLO PARK, UPWARDS TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET HOMES IN MONTE VISTA.
SO NOT ONLY IS HE CONTRIBUTING TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT ALSO ANOTHER ONE VERY PROMINENT IN SAN ANTONIO.
SHE HEARD FROM THE PRIOR, UH, SPEAKER, HE'S HAD OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS WITH THE APACHE OLINE COURTS, THE ALAMEDA THEATER, THE TEMPLE BETHEL, THE EL HANA, HIRSCHBERG CHAPEL THAT WAS DESIGNED BY HIM.
THOSE WERE HIS CONTRIBUTIONS AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE OF 41 IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROPERTY EVEN MORE OF AN ELEVATED STATUS AND WOULD, IN MY OPINION, BE ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK STATUS TO CONTRIBUTING IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THIS PROPERTY'S LOCATED.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A REALLY SMALL BLOCK, THE 500 BLOCK OF FUR DRIVE.
IT TEES INTO CANMAN BOULEVARD, WHICH IS THE EASTERN EDGE OF A LANDMARK OF THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, THERE ARE ONLY NINE PROPERTIES ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK.
THREE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND FIVE, UM, SIX ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY 5 0 1 FUR.
THIS IS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
IF YOU'LL NOTICE THE TILE ROOF STONE.
ALSO, THIS HOUSE IS ACTUALLY A DUPLEX THAT'S BEING CONVERTED TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF IT AT THE CORNER OF CANMAN.
AND, UM, FUR, UH, IT IS A TRIPLEX.
THIS IS APARTMENT, UM, THAT WAS MENTIONED BY MS SCHOOL DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AT 5 0 2.
UM, THIS IS A HOUSE THAT ALSO RECENTLY SOLD IF YOU COULD, IT'S VERY UNUSUAL FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL TO HOLD FIVE PROPERTIES ON ONE BLOCK AND TO SELL 'EM ALL DURING COVID.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
THIS ACTUALLY HAS A SISTER PROPERTY ON THE 400 BLOCK OF CLUB.
FIVE 10 FUR DRIVE IS A DUPLEX.
THIS IS ANOTHER NAAC PROPERTY.
THIS IS A TRIPLEX NEXT PROPERTY, PLEASE.
THIS IS A TRIPLEX, ASBESTOS, SHINGLED.
AND SO THIS IS THE VIEW AT THE CORNER OF SHEER AND FUR LOOKING WESTWARD TOWARDS THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
AND ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT HOW, UM, WE TALK ABOUT VIEW SHEDS IN OTHER SITUATIONS, THERE'S NOT ANY VIEW SHEDS IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE WAY THAT THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL WAS POSITIONED ON THAT LOT WAS POSITIONED TO LINE UP WITH FUR DRIVES SO THAT YOU HAVE A VIEW OF THE DOMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY UNIQUE, VERY ICONIC, AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TILE ROOFS.
IT IS THAT PARTICULAR, UH, LANDMARK.
AND THIS IS THE VIEW AS YOU GET CLOSER.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE DOME AND THE AMOUNT OF SUBSTANTIAL TILE ROOF.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S SOME PARAPET ROOFING INVOLVED.
THIS IS THE HOUSE DIRECTLY BEHIND, UM, THE STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
THIS IS THE HOUSE ACROSS FROM 5 0 2.
THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF MARY LOUISE AND SHEAR.
THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OWNED BY NAFA.
YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE VERY SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT CARRY OVER FROM THE MULTI-FAMILIES TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THIS IS THE HOUSE ON THE OTHER CORNER, 4 66 MARY LOUISE DRIVE.
AND THIS IS THE HOUSE AT 4 67 MARY LOUISE DRIVE.
SO I SHOWED YOU ALL FOUR HOUSES DIRECTLY BEHIND THERE.
THIS IS THE SISTER PROPERTY TO THE ONE I MENTIONED ON THE 500 BLOCK OF F FOUR 12 CLUB DRIVE ON NAAC.
NAAC ACTUALLY RESIDED ON THE 500 BLOCK OF CLUB DRIVE.
SO NOT EVERY HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS TILE ROOFS, JUST LIKE NOT EVERY
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HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS A PROMINENCE OF STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS EITHER.I'M WEARING THE BRIGHT MAGENTA COLOR TODAY TO MATCH ALL THE HOMES THAT I FLAGGED THAT HAVE TILE ROOFS.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL START ZOOMING IN.
YOU'LL SEE THE SATURATION OF THE NUMBER OF NOT JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, DUPLEX, TRIPLEXES, AND QUADPLEXES THAT HAVE TILE HOMES AND WHY IT'S A CONTRIBUTING ELEMENT TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I'M GONNA ZOOM EVEN MORE FURTHER IN AND YOU CAN SEE THE SATURATION.
AND I'M NOT EVEN SHOWING YOU THE ONES THAT WERE LOST BEFORE WE BECAME A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE FOUNDING PRINCIPLE OF WHY NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE.
DID THE APPLICANT REMOVE THE TILE, SAVE THE TILE, AND DO AN EXCHANGE OF NEW TILE IN AND TRY TO SALVAGE THE MATERIAL? NO, THERE WAS A HOLISTIC REMOVAL.
ONCE THEY WERE ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER, THEY STILL CONTINUED TO DO THE WORK.
WE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PUT OUT SIX NEWSLETTERS A YEAR ADVOCATING FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
WE ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT REPLACEMENT OF A, UH, TILE ROOF AND ALSO FOR THE FLOWER BOXES IN THE FRONT TO BE REPLACED.
UH, WE HOPE THAT THE INFORMATION HERE LAST SLIDE, UH, WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL ALSO BE HERE.
MY NAME IS JAN PER AND I LIVE AT FOUR 70 FUR DRIVE 7 8 2 0 1.
I'M CALLING REGARDING, UH, AGENDA ITEM 6 4 5 0 7 FUR DRIVE.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR 30 PLUS YEARS.
AND THE PROPERTY AT 5 0 7 FUR DRIVE IS VISIBLE FROM MY TWO STORY HOME.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE TILE ROOF BE PLACED, UH, BACK ON THE DUPLEX AS METAL ROOFS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS NAFA HOME.
THE TILE ROOFS ON THE BLOCK ARE CHARACTER DEFINING AND TRULY ARE ADD TO THE BEAUTY OF MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
PLEASE SAVE THIS HISTORIC ROOF AND THE PLANTER BOXES, WHICH WERE REMOVED WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
I CAN GIVE YOU A, A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS REQUEST.
UM, TYPICALLY THE COMMISSION WILL POSTPONE OR RESET A CASE TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRESENT.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, THIS WAS A VIOLATION CASE.
UH, OHP UH, HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE PROPERTY, OR EXCUSE ME, WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND NOTED THAT THE INSTALLATION OF A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF TO REPLACE A TILE ROOF ON A HOUSE THAT ARCHITECTURALLY AND HISTORICALLY FEATURED A TILE ROOF WAS NOT APPROPRIATE.
UM, A STOP WORK ORDER WAS IGNORED.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A VIOLATION, UH, NOTICE OF INVESTIGATION ISSUED BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, THAT WAS ALSO IGNORED.
UH, AND THEN A FOLLOW-UP PHONE CONVERSATION, UH, AND ANOTHER EMAIL TO ADDRESS A STOP WORK ORDER, UH, WAS ALSO IGNORED.
UH, SO THE, THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF, UH, WAS DONE WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WAS ALSO DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND, UH, ATTEMPTS FROM OHB STAFF AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, STAFF, CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF WERE IGNORED, UH, TO HAVE THE WORK STOPPED.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, UH, TYPICALLY THE COMMISSION, IF AN APPLICANT'S NOT PRESENT, WILL RESET A REQUEST, UH, FOR THE NEXT HEARING SO THAT AN APPLICANT CAN COME, UH, AND, AND PRESENT.
EDWARD, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING EVERYTHING IN, IN THE QUICK REVIEW.
I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THIS.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? HEARING NONE.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO GO WITH STAFF'S, UH, REC RECOMMENDATIONS TO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE.
UH, TO RE GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF REPLACING WITH A CLAY BARREL TOWEL ROOF, UH, TO BE INSTALLED AND THE RETURN OF THE, AND THEN, UH, ITEM TWO FOR RETURN OF THE FLOWER BOXES, UH, BASED ON FINDING D UM, WITH THE STIPULATION, UM, THAT IF THE, LET'S SEE, DO I NEED TO NOTE IN THERE?
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SO I WANNA REMOVE THAT LAST SENTENCE FROM YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE FINE.IF YOU JUST SAY DENIAL OF ITEM TWO, UM, THEN WE KNOW THAT THAT MEANS THAT THE ORIGINAL CONDITION HAS TO BE RESTORED.
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE ORIGINAL OR NOT, UH, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT.
UM, THEY NEED TO BE RESTORED EITHER WAY.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MODIFICATIONS? ONE QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR FOR, UH, CLARIFICATION ON, UH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
NUMBER ONE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU ARE RECOMMENDING SPECIFICALLY THAT THE CLAY BARREL TILE ROOF BE REPLACED WITHOUT COMPOSITE? CORRECT.
CAN YOU CLARIFY ON THAT ONE? UH, YES MA'AM.
NO STAFF, STAFF UNDERSTANDS THE MOTION AS REPLACEMENT OF A CLAY BARREL TILE ROOF, AN ACTUAL CLAY BARREL TILE ROOF, AND THE REINSTALLATION OF THE FLOWER BOX IS REGARDLESS IF THEIR CONDITION WAS ORIGINAL OR NOT.
NOW, ON THE FLOWER BEDS, CAN WE MAKE THEM AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THOSE MATERIALS? UM, YES.
UM, I, THESE WERE PROBABLY SOME TYPE OF, OF CAST MASONRY OR CAST CONCRETE.
UM, UH, THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THEM TO WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, ORIGINALLY OR TRADITIONALLY.
UH, AND SO THAT'S THE MATERIAL THAT STAFF WILL, WILL RECOMMEND AND, AND ENFORCE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD.
I CALL FOR ROLL CALL VOTE FLORES.
SMITH STILL ON? THINK HE STEPPED AWAY? UM, VASQUEZ.
WE NEED TO GET DR. SMITH BACK ON THE LINE, OTHERWISE WE'RE AT A QUORUM.
I, IT MUST HAVE JUST HAPPENED.
I BELIEVE IT JUST NOW HAPPENED.
SO MEGAN, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A PAUSE.
AND MEGAN, IF YOU WANNA GIVE HIM A CALL AND SEE IF HE NEEDS HIS TROUBLESHOOT.
MADAM CHAIR, MAY I RECOMMEND A FIVE MINUTE RECESS? ABSOLUTELY.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND GO ROLL CALL AGAIN? YES.
MOTION CARRIES TO SUPPORT FOR FUR 5 0 7.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE STAFF.
GREAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 11 20 IOWA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE SEVEN EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH FULLY WOOD WINDOWS.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E.
IF THE C TTAB IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOWS STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
THE WINDOW SHOULD FEATURE ANSET OF TWO INCHES WITHIN THE FACADES AND SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
MEDIUM RAILS MUST BE NO TALLER THAN ONE AND A QUARTER INCHES AND STYLES NO WIDER THAN TWO AND A QUARTER INCHES.
WHITE MANUFACTURERS COLOR IS NOT ALLOWED.
AND COLOR SELECTION MUST BE PRESENTED TO STAFF.
THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES IN DEPTH BETWEEN THE FRONT FACE OF THE WINDOW TRIM AND THE FRONT FACE OF THE TOP WINDOW SASH.
THIS MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY RECESSING THE WINDOW SUFFICIENTLY WITHIN THE OPENING OR WITH THE INSTALLATION OF ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM.
TO ADD THICKNESS WINDOW TRIM MUST FEATURE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS AND ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE SEAL DETAIL.
WINDOW TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM OR CONCEALED BY A WOOD WINDOW.
SCREEN SET WITHIN THE OPENING PHOTO.
DIVIDED LIGHTS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
AND AS A CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT HAS UPDATED THEIR REQUEST TO REQUEST ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS AND THE COURT FOR THOSE WINDOWS IS AVAILABLE IN YOUR LATE FOLDER.
THE APPLICANT MICHAEL ELIZONDO, IS WITH US HERE IN PERSON.
GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING
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TO MY REQUESTS.UH, THE WINDOWS THAT I HAVE ARE CURRENTLY IN HORRIBLE CONDITION.
THEY'RE DETERIORATING AIR GETS IN THEM AND SOMETIMES IT'S COLDER INSIDE THAN IT IS OUTSIDE.
IT'S LIKE CUTTING BUTTER WITH A HOT KNIFE AS AS THE HEAT GOES AS WELL.
I RESPECT THE OPINIONS FROM THE DISTRICT, DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT AND I HAVE MY OPINION.
THIS IS NOT MY FIRST TIME BEING IN FRONT OF Y'ALL.
THIS IS ABOUT THE FOURTH TIME, WHICH THE SAME REQUEST FOR WINDOWS.
AND WHEN THE AIR GETS IN THE HOUSE, IT GETS IN THE HOUSE COLD IN THE FEBRUARY OF 21.
NO WATER, NO HEAT FOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE DAYS.
IF YOU WERE THERE, YOU WOULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT WE DIDN'T.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, I HAVE REQUESTED WINDOWS BEFORE, LIKE I STATED.
AND I'VE ALSO REQUESTED THE P WINDOWS.
I ALSO WENT TO WENDELL AFFAIRS THAT THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT HAD AND SPOKE TO MR. LEWIS ELIZONDO.
HE ALSO STATED $18,000 FOR SEVEN WINDOWS, TOOKEN OUT, REPLACED FRAME.
EVERYTHING HE SAID AS WELL THAT'S, THAT'S LAID ON MULBERRY STATED THAT THE WINDOWS WERE UNREPLACEABLE AND THESE WINDOWS ARE UNREPLACEABLE.
THEY ALSO HAVE MO AND THEN I WENT TO PAULA AT THE SAME PLACE AND THEY ALSO STATED 10,000 AND 14,000.
I I KNOW I, AGAIN, I RESPECT REBECCA'S, UH, REBECCA'S OPINION AND IT IS WHAT IT IS.
YOU CAN STAY UP AT THE PODIUM, UM, JUST IN CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS.
AND THEN COMMISSIONERS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO HAVE YOU LOOKED AT CHANGING, UH, PARTS OF THE WOOD WINDOWS? THEY ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE OKAY.
UM, THE RAILS ON EACH, THE WINDOWS FROM THE IMAGES HERE, THEY APPEAR FINE.
UM, TELL ME A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT.
THE WOOD, THE WOOD OR THE TRIMMING ARE HORRIBLE.
THEY'RE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BROKEN.
UH, THE WINDOWS THEMSELF ARE OFF.
YOU CAN'T CLOSE 'EM SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES IF YOU SEE THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, THE WINDOW RIGHT NEXT TO IT, I HAVE LIKE A FOAM IN THE BETWEEN.
SO THE COLD AIR DOESN'T GET IN.
I HAVE SUPER COCKED IT ALL THE WAY AROUND.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE STORM WINDOW, WHICH IS ON THE OUTSIDE.
IT STILL GETS COLDER THERE AND HOT.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, WINDOWS IN GENERAL.
UH, EVEN IF YOU REPLACED IT WITH THE BRAND NEW WOOD WINDOW, YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE, I BEG THE DIFFERENCE, BUT IT WON'T BE AS COLD OR AS HOT.
YOU, YOU WANNA BE EFFICIENT WITH YOUR POWER BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY.
SO EVERYTHING'S GONNA COST AND WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS IS GONNA COST YOU EVEN MORE.
HAVE YOU EXPLORED GOING TO A PICKER'S PARADISE, ONE OF THOSE, UH, CASES THAT HAS THE PARTS FOR THIS AND ACTUALLY GETTING A CRAFTSMAN? NO, I HAVEN'T REPLACE IT.
I'VE GOTTEN THREE, THREE, UH, QUOTES AND ALL THREE ARE IN THE 10 TO 15, I MEAN 10 TO $18,000 RANGE.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S, THAT'S PUTTING 'EM BACK TO THE WAY THEY WERE.
LIKE I SAID, THESE WINDOWS ARE ALMOST 65 YEARS OLD.
AND IF YOU LOOK AND YOU CAN SAY SIGNIFICANTLY, IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CRAFTSMAN, AND I'M SURE OHP CAN MAYBE RECOMMEND SOMEBODY THEY DID MR. THAT CAN HELP YOU RESTORE.
THEY, THEY, UH, SENT ME A LIST THE SECOND TIME I WAS HERE AND I WENT WITH MR. LEXANDER, LIKE I STATED.
AND HE QUOTED ME A PRICE OF $10,000.
EXCUSE ME, FOR JUST RESTORATION.
NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT RESTORING, FIXING THE RAILS ON THE WINDOWS.
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PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THE RAILS OF THE WINDOWS ARE YEAH, THEY'RE SHODDY.BUT THE STYLES, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE OKAY.
HAVE YOU EXPLORED JUST REPLACING PARTS OF IT WITH EXISTING ONES FROM A PICKER'S PARADISE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY.
AND THAT DON'T SAVE YOU SIGNIFICANTLY.
YOU'LL BE UNDER 10,000 I'M GUESSING.
AND THE MONEY'S NOT THE ISSUE.
I MEAN, I JUST WANT SOMETHING SUFFICIENT FOR ME AND MY WIFE.
AND THEY ALSO LET BASE WINDOWS, UH, THEY ALSO HAVE LEAD IN THEM.
'CAUSE I GOT HIM TESTED FOR LEAD THE SECOND TIME I WAS HERE.
RA RACHEL, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN ADD ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS AND, AND POSSIBLY MAYBE GETTING A PARTS FROM A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT, BUT
AN ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE STORE.
SO STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT WITH MI MR. ELIZONDO, AND, UM, FROM STAFF SITE VISIT, THE WINDOWS IN THE POOREST CONDITION ARE WINDOWS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
HERE, UH, THE WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ARE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION, AND MOST OF THE OTHER WINDOWS ARE QUITE INTACT.
SO THE CONDITIONS THAT WE FOUND OF THESE WINDOWS WERE, UM, BROKEN CORDS, MISSING GLASS, GLASS THAT COULD BE REGLAZED.
UM, THE SASHES THEMSELVES ARE IN GOOD CONDITION, SO THE WOOD IS SOLID.
THERE'S NO DETERIORATION OF THAT WOOD, NO WOOD ROT WAS EVIDENT.
UM, MR. ELIZONDO DOES HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE REPAIR OF THE WINDOW FRAMES AND THE WINDOW SILLS.
UM, SO THOSE ARE QUITE DETERIORATED AND THEY CAN BE REPAIRED AND REPLACED.
UM, HOWEVER, THE WINDOW SASHES ARE IN GOOD CONDITION.
UH, WINDOWS TWO AND FOUR, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE SASHES.
AND SO THOSE COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, REMOVED, REWORKED, A NEW SASH ELEMENT COULD BE ADDED TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN BOARDS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN PLACE.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE THEY'RE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION.
AND IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THERE COULD BE A REQUEST FOR THE REPAIR OF ONLY WINDOWS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR AT ONE TIME.
AND THEN LATER THE OTHER WINDOWS COULD BE REPAIRED AS NEEDED TOO.
AND THAT'LL SAY SIGNIFICANTLY VERSUS WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OF, OF A WINDOW.
AND SO, UM, MR. AAND ALSO KNOWS THAT OUR OFFICE OFFERS THE REHABER CLUB WEBSITE, WHERE WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR LIST WHERE THERE ARE CONTRACTORS THAT YOU CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH FOR QUOTES ON WINDOW REPAIR.
AND SO THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH WORKING ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND REPAIRING WOOD WINDOWS.
AND THIS WAS A GENERAL, MR. LOUIS ALEXANDER WAS ON THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, UH, LIST.
AND MR. ELIZONDO IS THE ONE THAT CAME OUT AND SAID, YOU NEED TO PAY 10 WHATEVER, 18 FOR
UH, 18 GRAND TO REPLACE ALL OF THEM.
SO WHY DON'T YOU EXPLORE TRYING, UM, GOING TO THE SALVAGE.
WHAT I, I KNOW THE, THAT REALLY HELPED.
I KNOW THAT, UH, Y'ALL HAVE APPROVED THESE WINDOWS IN THE PAST, THE P WINDOWS THAT Y'ALL HAVE APPROVED THEM IN THE PAST, BECAUSE SPEAKING WITH THE LADY AT THE FAIR, SHE HAD STATED, THIS IS WHAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH AND THIS IS THE WAY YOU CAN PROBABLY APPLY AND GET, I, I WAS GONNA BE HERE LAST YEAR, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I COULDN'T, SOMETHING HAPPENED.
ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
YOU SAID THAT YOU, UM, YOU'VE GONE TO THE HISTORICAL LISTING.
SO HOW MANY OF THE GENTLEMEN OR LADIES FROM THAT GROUP HAVE YOU INTERACTED WITH? THREE OF 'EM.
THERE WAS A MR. LOPEZ AND, UH, HE'S NO LONGER IN, IN SERVICE PER SE, BECAUSE HE SAID, YEAH, I CAN GO AND FIX YOUR WINDOWS.
I'VE BEEN DOING THEM FOR WHENEVER.
AND THAT WAS GOING, THAT WAS DURING COVID.
I WENT BACK AND HE NO LONGER DOES IT.
AND ANOTHER GENTLEMAN, I JUST DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.
SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY COME TO YOUR FACILITY? YES, MA'AM.
AND THEN THEY NO LONGER, HAVE YOU PURSUED ANY ADDITIONAL, YOU SAID, 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR? NO, OTHER THAN PELLA AND, UM, MR. ELIZONDO, IT'S THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO.
I JUST RECENTLY TALKED TO HIM ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO.
AND THE SALVAGE, UM, WHAT WAS IT? RACHEL ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE STORE.
UM, THEY, THEY'LL OFTEN HAVE HISTORIC WOOD ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS AVAILABLE THAT WILL MATCH TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND DIMENSIONS.
HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THEM, SIR? NO, I HAVEN'T.
ALSO, SINCE THE ENTIRE WINDOW DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REPLACED AND SOME OF IT IS ACTUALLY SELLABLE, WILL YOU CONSIDER DOING THEM LIKE IN STAGES? BUT YOU DID STATE THAT MONEY WAS NOT THE CONCERN? NO, MA'AM.
HOWEVER YOU ARE IN A HISTORICAL YES.
YES, I WAS TO VOTE, PUT A, PUT A YES OR NO.
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WHAT I KNOW NOW, I WOULD'VE SAID NO.DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MADAM CHAIR, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK THE, THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU TRY REACHING OUT TO A, A WINDOW RESTORATION PERSON TO, TO HELP YOU RESTORE THEM? THIS IS A REALLY ECONOMICAL OPTION VERSUS WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT.
IT'LL END UP SAVING, UH, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND IT'LL ALSO SAVE YOU IN YOUR, IN YOUR WALLET TOO.
I, I HAVE THE AVENUES AND THE POINT OF CONTACT.
I THINK OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXPERTS HERE CAN
RACHEL, CAN WE MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE THOSE TO THEM? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR RECOMMENDATIONS? HEARING NONE, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO DE I'LL ADMIT, HELP ME OUT HERE WITH THE
WOULD YOU LIKE TO DENY THE RECORD? COULD, HERE'S THE OTHER THING THING.
COULD WE EXTEND IT UPON REVIEW FOR ADDITIONAL SUPPORT INSTEAD OF DENYING THE REQUEST? BECAUSE I MEAN, HE'S TAKEN THE TIME TO COME IN, TAKE THE CONSIDERATION.
IF WE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR RECONSIDERATION, THAT'LL ACTUALLY PREVENT HIM FOR A LONGER TIME.
IS THAT POSSIBLE, COREY? YEAH.
ANOTHER, UM, ACTION THAT HAS, UM, KIND OF LET THE APPLICANT CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF IS BASICALLY UPHOLDING THE RECOMMENDATION HERE.
UM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF HE BEGINS WORKING WITH A CONTRACTOR FOR REPAIR, AND THAT CONTRACTOR CAN COME TO US AND DEMONSTRATE, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS WORSE THAN I THOUGHT.
I DON'T THINK IT COULD BE SALVAGED, THEN WE CAN CONSIDER AN IN KIND REPLACEMENT.
UM, AND THE REPLACEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED ARE IN KIND, IT JUST HASN'T BEEN WARRANTED DUE TO THE PRETTY GOOD CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS.
SO IF WE LEARN NEW INFORMATION, IT'S PART OF THE REPAIR PROCESS, WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM FOR REPLACEMENT, WERE APPROPRIATE.
SO WOULD IT BE BETTER TO RECOMMEND THIS WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR DIRECTLY? IF, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT, UM, THE, THE MOTION COULD BE TO, UM, RECOMMEND, UH, OR TO DENY FULL CELL REPLACEMENT AND RECOMMEND REPAIR, UH, IN LINE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS ABLE TO PRESENT NEW EVIDENCE TO STAFF FOR CONSIDERATION OF FUTURE REPLACEMENT PRIOR TO WORK BEING EXECUTED, HEARING WORK, AND SO THEY WOULD BEGIN REPAIRS, UM, IF THAT WAS THE MOTION.
UM, AND THEN IF THEY WERE FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE A WORSE CONDITION OR REPAIR WAS NOT AS FEASIBLE AS PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT, UM, THEN THEY COULD PRESENT NEW EVIDENCE TO STAFF.
SO I'LL I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO JUST A MOMENT.
SO PRIOR TO THEM, LET'S SAY, BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT HE, BECAUSE I EXPERIENCED THAT COLD AND WITH THE SNOW AND EVERYTHING, SO I UNDERSTAND I'M VERY EMPATHETIC TO THAT.
HOWEVER, CAN WE GO BACK AND CHECK ONE MORE TIME JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT AT THE QUALITY AND DETERIORATION OF THE WINDOWS PRIOR TO APPROVING THIS, BECAUSE MY CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS IF WE START WORK WITH ONE OF THE WINDOWS, THEN YOU HALT IN AS SUMMER IS COMING, WE KNOW HOW QUILTING THE HEAT GETS HERE.
SO, SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS A CONTINUANCE.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD SORT OF DIRECT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO WORK TOGETHER WITH PERHAPS THE CONTRACTOR FOR REPAIR AND TO GAIN BETTER UNDERSTANDING SO THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY UPDATE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
ANOTHER OPTION IS REFER TO A SITE VISIT SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW THE WINDOWS YOURSELF.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS ALSO BEEN DONE IS, UH, DRC AN OPTION, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
SIR, COULD YOU COME BACK UP TO THE MIC? THANK YOU.
I DON'T WANNA DENY YOUR REQUEST.
I REALLY DON'T BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND.
BUT JUST LIKE YOU STATED, SIR, YOU APPROVE THE HISTORICAL AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE SUPPORT AND EVERYTHING IS IN SUPPORT OF YOUR COMFORT AS WELL.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH? YES, MA'AM.
YOU CAN ALSO COME AND VISIT AND CHECK THE CONDITION YOURSELF IF Y'ALL WANT TO.
I'LL HAVE NO, NO YAY OR NAY ON THAT.
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MY EYES.I ACTUALLY, AGAIN, I RESPECT HER OPINION, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH HER SO WE CAN GET IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, JUST LIKE CORY STATED IS IF, IF THE DAMAGE IS MORE SEVERE THAN WE ACTUALLY KNOW, SO THAT WAY WE COULD DO THE IN-KIND REPLACEMENT.
SO COULD YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WOULD THIS VOTE SHOULD LOOK LIKE? MOTION SHOULD BE, I'M GONNA LOOK AT COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS WHERE HE'S GOING.
IS THAT THE MOTION WOULD BE REFERRED TO A SITE VISIT.
UM, WE WOULD SCHEDULE THAT, UM, IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD BE A TIME WHEN COMMISSIONERS WOULD COME TO THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU ARE ABLE TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR OUT THERE AT THE SAME TIME, THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL AND THAT WE COULD DISCUSS IN MORE DEPTH THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REFER TO A DRC.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT? I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A SECOND.
THERE IS A MOTION FOR THE REFERRAL TO DRC WITH A SECOND.
ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH A YES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO DO A ROLL CALL.
MADAM CHAIR, CAN I JUST ASK A QUICK QUESTION STEP? SO, CORY, AFTER THE, AFTER THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND SITE VISIT AND POTENTIALLY DISCUSSIONS WITH COLLABORATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? WILL THE CASE COME BACK THEN, OR DO Y'ALL, ARE Y'ALL EMPOWERED TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH? SO IT'S GOTTA COME BACK WITH THE FINDINGS, I GUESS, OF THE VISIT? YEAH, IT'LL COME BACK HERE.
UM, WE WILL UPDATE THE FINDINGS, UM, ACCORDINGLY, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING NEW THAT SHOULD BE ADDED AND THEN YOU ALL WILL HAVE THAT FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE AS WELL.
SO YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, A MORE INFORMED ACTION.
CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 7 3 35 0 2 BROADWAY.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL.
JESS, CAN YOU PAUSE FOR A SECOND? UM, DR. SMITH, WE, THERE YOU ARE.
WE JUST NEED YOU ON, ON CAMERA IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN QUORUM.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL SIGNAGE, INCLUDING AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN MOUNTED ON A 12 FOOT BY FOUR FOOT BACKING AND WINDOW VINYL FEATURING THE BUSINESS LOGO IN FOUR LOCATIONS, AND TWO, INSTALL UNDER EVE LIGHTING ALONG THE PRIMARY ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDINGS A SCREW D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES SIGNAGE TO BE MORE THAN THREE SIGNS THAT ARE EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN 50 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL.
AS NOTED IN FINDING B, THIS INCLUDES REDUCTION OF WINDOW CLINGS TO CONFORM WITH SIGNAGE STANDARDS AS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES UNDER EVE LIGHTING THAT CONFORMS TO UDC 35.673, NAMELY LIGHTING THAT IS SHIELDED TO REDUCE GLARE AND WITH A LIGHTING TEMPERATURE THAT MEETS RIO STANDARDS AS NOTED IN FINDING D.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE OWNER, UM, KAREEM KA MOHAMMED HERE IN PERSON, AND THERE ARE NO LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE.
MR. KA MOHAM, IF YOU WANNA COME UP, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR SIGNAGE? UH, FIRST WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING SIGN OR THE WINDOW SIGN? BOTH.
SO WE, I HIRED, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT ALL THE PERMITS AND STUFF.
I HIRED THE SIGN GUY AND, UH, MR. AMER, HE, HE HELPS ME IN ALL, ALL OF MY SMALL THINGS TO BUILD THE SIGNS OR FIX THE WINDOW.
SO I TOLD HIM TO HIRE THE SIGN GUY AND HE DID HELP ME FIND THE GUY TO DO IT AND I APPROVED IT.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OF THE COVID AND STUFF.
SO THEY TRIED TO GET PERMIT WHEN THE SIGN WAS INSTALLED AND WHEN I GOT THE LETTER, THEN I DIDN'T FOUND OUT THAT THEY DID NOT TAKE THE PERMIT OUT AND I CALLED AM AND HE CALLED THE SIGN GUY AND THEY PULLED THE PERMIT AFTERWARDS.
SO I WAS NOT AWARE OF IT, THAT THEY DID NOT TAKE THE PERMIT.
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UH, QUESTION FOR JESSICA, UM, DID, UH, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION STAFF HAD, HAVE YOU HAD, UH, ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHAT THOSE REVISED, UM, GUIDELINES WOULD LOOK LIKE IN A NEW SIGN IF HE WERE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION? SO, UM, WE, THE WAY THAT IT WORKS WITH THIS ONE, I, I HAD BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WAS THE SIGN MANUFACTURER, MY MANUFACTURER, SORRY, NOT ENOUGH COFFEE THIS MORNING.UM, AND, UH, HAS SINCE SORT OF FALLEN OUT OF CONTEXT, SO, UH, MR. KA MOHAMMED AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR THE LAST WEEK, UM, IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, SO TYPICALLY WE DON'T SAY THIS IS WHAT THE DESIGN SHOULD LOOK LIKE, WE JUST KIND OF GIVE PARAMETERS, UH, TO BRING IT UNDER THAT 50 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR BOTH INSTANCES OF THE LOGO THAT'S LOCATED IN THE VINYL CLEAN WINDOW, CLS.
AND THEN, UM, THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE, THE PARAPET MOUNTED SIGNAGE.
UM, SO THE SIGNAGE ON JUST THE PARAPET, UM, UH, THE SIZE OF IT MEETS GUIDELINES.
IT'S 48 SQUARE FEET, 12 BY FOUR.
UM, BUT THE ADDITION OF THE WINDOW, CLS, THE LOGO THERE IS WHAT BUMPS IT UP OVER THAT 50 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS REMOVING THE VINYL WINDOW, CLS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE MODIFYING THE SIGNAGE.
AND HAVE YOU, UH, IS THE APPLICANT, I GUESS, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO GET TO, IS THE APPLICANT OBJECTING TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND WANTS TO KEEP THE SIGNS AS IS OR IS HE OPEN TO CHANGING THE SIGNS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? THE CITY'S ASKING FOR? YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT EVEN AWARE OF THAT.
IF WE, IF THE WINDOW SIGNS, IF I REMOVE IT AND THAT I'LL BE IN COMPLIANT, I WILL LOVE GLADLY REMOVE IT.
I WAS NOT EVEN IN FAVOR OF THOSE WINDOW SIGNS.
UH, I WAS VOTED OUT FROM OTHER PARTNERS, SO I'LL GLADLY REMOVE THOSE WINDOW SIGNS IF THEY NEED TO BE OR MINIMIZE IT, WHATEVER.
AND ACTUALLY THEY PUT IT, THE MANAGERS AND EMPLOYEES WANTED THOSE SIGNS BECAUSE THE SUN COME SO STRONG THAT THEY WANTED SOMETHING TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE BOTHERED BY THE SUN.
THAT'S WHY THEY RECOMMEND TO INSTALL IT.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT ON THAT TOO, YOU, UM, THIS IS IN RIO, SO THAT'S A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND, UH, THERE'S NO LANGUAGE, UM, PROHIBITING THE WINDOW CLEANS THEMSELVES.
IT'S JUST THE LITERAL LIKE SIZE OF THE LOGOS ON THE, ON THE WINDOW CLS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE, THE 50 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE IT'S GOT FIVE STAR SMOKE SHOP IN THE VISIBLE VINYL CLS, THAT PUTS THEM OUTTA COMPLIANCE.
WE CONSIDER SIGNAGE, ANYTHING THAT HAS LIKE A WORD MARK OR LOGO FOR THE BUSINESS, DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT DON'T COUNT TOWARDS IT.
THE, THE ADVERTISING OF SERVICES NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S THE LOGO AND THE WORD MARK.
SO SIR, IS THAT MADE CLEAR TO YOU THAT IT'S NOT SO MUCH AS THE SIGN ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S THE ADDITION OF THE CLEANING VINYLS? SO IS, AND I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE GLARE AND THE HEAT, SO 100%, BUT IT'S GOING TO, WHAT WERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ONE MORE TIME FOR THE, FOR THE VINYL RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, SO WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGNAGE.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TO REDUCE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH WOULD BE BOTH THE PARAPET SIGN AND THEN THE, THE LOGOS INCLUDED ON THE VINYL CLAIM.
SO THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE HAS TO BE LESS, OR THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN
AND IF HE REMOVED, KEPT THE SIGNUP TOP AS IT IS, BUT REMOVED THE WINDOW CLEANS, HE'D BE IN COMPLIANCE? YES.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE OPEN TO? SURE.
DO I NEED TO HOWEVER, TO REMOVE ALL THE WINDOWS OR SOME OF IT, ALL OF THEM, BUT, BUT THE CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE, SIR, AND LET MAKE SURE THIS, WHAT'S YOUR CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT THE HEAT AND THE SUN THAT COMES IN, BUT I THINK ONE, ONE MODIFICATION THAT WE CAN DO, YOU CAN PUT THE VINYL, BUT IT CANNOT HAVE FIVE STAR SMOKE SHOP NAME IN IT.
SO IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE, AT THE SIGNS YOU SEE WHERE YES.
THOUGH THOSE VINYLS CAN BE PUT UP BECAUSE THERE'S NO REGULATIONS AS FAR AS THAT CONCERNED, BUT BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE FIVE STAR SMOKE SHOP, THAT PART HAS TO BE REMOVED, OTHERWISE THE VINYL CAN STAY WELL, ACTUALLY, IS THAT CORRECT? NO.
CAN I CLARIFY? AND OH, THANK YOU JESS.
SORRY IF THIS ISN'T QUITE WHAT YOU SAID, BUT WE, WE DO CONSIDER ALL OF THAT AS PART OF OVERALL SIGNAGE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE NORMAL 50 SQUARE FEET THAT
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A BUSINESS RECEIVES.THESE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT THE BUSINESS SELLS AND IT'S ALL VISUAL CLUTTER, WHICH IS KIND OF THE INTENT OF THE CODE TO LIMIT.
AND SO I DO THINK THAT THEY COULD HAVE, I MEAN, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE KIND OF AROUND TOWN, THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT JUST HAVE LIKE A LITTLE BAND AT THE BOTTOM WITH A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION.
UM, AND THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL LAYER THAT, UM, LIKE OPAQUE WINDOW COVERINGS ARE ALSO NOT RECOMMENDED.
AND SO, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING THIS WAY, IS THAT ALL THE WINDOW CLEANINGS JUST BE REMOVED AND THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINED THE, THE PARAPET SIGN SINCE THAT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS.
AND IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION TO, TO ADDRESS, UM, PERHAPS THE SUN, YOU CAN REMOVE ANYTHING WITH LOGO, BUT IS THERE THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME SORT OF TINT OR SOMETHING ADDED TO THE WINDOW? WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE ALLOWABLE ELBOW? YES, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT MIRROR TINT.
SO NOT LIKE THE REFLECTIVE, BUT HE CAN DARKEN THE WINDOWS, I BELIEVE.
UH, RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO'S WILLING TO WORK WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED.
UM, SO, UH, I GUESS WE COULD HAVE A, A MOTION TO, I GUESS APPROVE THE, WOULD IT BE TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION WITH STIPULATION THAT YOU STAFF WILL WORK WITH THIS APPLICANT TO JUST, YOU KNOW, CHANGE WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH RIO AND OUR GUIDELINES? SURE.
UM, IF, IF THE INTENT IS TO COMPLETELY REMOVE THE WINDOW CLINGS YOU, YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION FOR REMOVAL OF THE, I THINK WE REFERRED TO IT AS VISUAL CLUTTER.
THAT'S A GOOD, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE MOTION YOU'RE DESCRIBING WOULD SOUND LIKE APPROVAL WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE STIPULATION THAT THE WINDOW SIGNAGE WINDOW VINYL CLAIMS BE REMOVED.
HOWEVER, FOR US TO, TO, TO DISCOVER APPROPRIATE COVERAGE.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT HE HAS FOR HIS EMPLOYEES.
SO CONFORMING COVERAGE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, SORRY, CONFORMING COVERAGE, THEN? YEAH, HE COULD JUST PRESENT THAT TO US AND WE COULD GIVE HIM A ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HANDLE THAT HERE.
I MOVE THAT, UH, WE APPROVE, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS NOTED.
WITH, UH, AN ALLOWABLE, CONFORMING, UH, WINDOW.
REMOVAL OF THE, UH, OR, OR, OR TO BRING THE WINDOWS INTO COMPLIANCE WITH, YOU KNOW, CONFORMING GUIDELINE GUIDELINES.
IS THAT YEAH, I THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH DISCUSSION ON RECORD TO GO WITH THAT.
SECOND, I NOW HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVES RECOMMENDATION WITH A SECOND.
WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE.
MOTION CARRIES AS RECOMMENDED FOR BROADWAY 35 0 2.
CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 2 4, UH, 1 0 2 AND 1 0 4 HYMAN, THE APPLICANT REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE EXISTING METAL CASEMENT AND SASH WINDOWS WITH FIXED 4, 6, 8, AND 12 LIGHT METAL WINDOWS, OR FOUR OVER FOUR METAL WINDOWS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REPLACE WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO EITHER RETURN THE WINDOWS TO THEIR PREVIOUS CONDITIONS, OR BASED ON THE AGE OF THE BUILDING, PROPOSE INSTALLATION OF WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD SLASH WINDOWS ACROSS, ACROSS ALL ELEVATIONS.
AS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO, THAT IF A WOOD OR ALUMINUM PLYWOOD PRODUCT IS PROPOSED, THE PRODUCT MUST MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS.
THE APPLICANT, UM, MUST SUBMIT UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
UM, THE REST OF THIS ARE STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS, SO I'LL READ THEM INTO THE RECORDS SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING.
UH, WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE AN INSTEAD OF TWO INCHES WITHIN THE FACADES AND SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
RAILS MUST BE NO TALLER THAN ONE AND A QUARTER INCHES AND STYLES NO WIDER THAN TWO AND A QUARTER INCHES WHITE MANUFACTURER'S COLOR IS NOT ALLOWED.
AND THE COLOR SELECTION MUST BE PRESENTED AS STAFF.
THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES OF DEPTH BETWEEN THE FRONT FACADE OF THE WINDOW TRIM AND THE FRONT FACE OF THE TOP SASH.
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ACCOMP ACCOMPLISHED BY RECESSING THE WINDOW SUFFICIENTLY WITHIN THE OPENING OR AT THE INSTALLATION OF ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM.TO ADD THICKNESS WINDOW TRIM MUST FEATURE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS AND ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE CELL DETAILS.
WINDOW TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM OR CONCEALED BY A WOOD WINDOW SCREEN SET WITHIN THE OPENING.
THREE WINDOWS SHOULD BE CUSTOM FIT TO EXISTING MASONRY OPENINGS.
AS NOTED IN FINDING D FRAME IN OF THE OPENINGS TO FIT STOCK SIZES IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT, MICHAEL ABNER, HERE IN PERSON.
MR. NER, IF YOU WANNA COME UP YES, I INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
OH, HELLO, MY NAME IS MICHAEL ABNER.
I'M THE, UH, CONTRACTOR DOING THE WORK ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH A LOT TO TRY AND GET TO WHERE WE CAN DO THIS TYPE OF WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
AND AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THAT, UH, ON THIS SAME STREET, UH, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE STREET HAVE, UM, STOREFRONT WINDOWS IN INSTALLED IN THEM, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE BEING TOLD DIFFERENTLY THAN EVERYONE ELSE ON THE STREET.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST TO SEE IF WE COULD DO, UH, SOME STOREFRONT WINDOWS ON SOME PARTS OF IT.
MAINLY THE PART ON THE SECOND FLOOR I LOOKING AT YOU THAT THERE'S SOME CASE HISTORY STAFF RECOMMENDATION UNDER, UM, FINDING B IF YOU SEE SOME OF THE WINDOWS, LIKE THE ONE IN THE CENTER, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL WINDOW THAT WAS IN THE BUILDING.
SO THAT ONE'S, I GUESS LEFT IN THERE.
NOW YOU CAN SEE IN THE BUILDING, SOME OF THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN CEMENTED BLOCKED IN, WHICH WAS DONE BEFORE.
THE OWNER THAT HAS THE PROPERTY NOW, UH, HAD TAKEN IT OVER, WHICH WE WERE PROPOSING TO DO SOME WINDOWS IN THE FRONT FOR, TO GIVE IT A A LOOK THAT IT HAD WINDOWS IN THERE WITH THE LEAVING THE, UH, THE CEMENT BLOCK BEHIND IT, UH, LIKE ON THIS VIEW RIGHT HERE, UM, DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT FROM WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT SO FAR, UH, GETTING THE METAL, THE THE METAL FRAME WINDOWS IS, IS I'VE, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SIX MONTHS ALREADY TO TRY AND GET THIS APPROVED FOR THE WINDOWS.
AND MEANWHILE THE BUILDING HAS COMPLETELY BEEN, UH, WITH REDONE WITH NEW HVAC PLUMBING, UH, ALL EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IT NEEDS TO, TO, TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT COMPLETED.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AS FAR AS WHO CAN MAKE THESE WINDOWS FOR US IN, IN METAL.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TALKING TO IS, UH, SOME OF MY, UH, PEOPLE ABOUT DOING SOME WOOD FRAME WINDOWS IN IT.
BUT AGAIN, UH, ALL THE REST OF THE HOUSES THAT I HAVE IN MY GOOGLE EARTH WHERE YOU CAN SEE EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THERE HAS STOREFRONT WINDOWS.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T DO FRONT STOREFRONT WINDOWS ON THIS ONE.
SO STAFF HAS INCLUDED IN THE CASE FILE JUST FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW PHOTOS OF, UH, THE STRUCTURE CIRCA 2022, UM, HAD A STOP WORK ORDER INITIALLY PLACED IN OCTOBER, 2022.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND A FEW CONTRACTORS OVER THAT TIME, KEEPING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, WORK CONTINUED AFTER THE STOP WORK ORDER, UH, INCLUDING INFILL OF THE WINDOWS.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THE CASES IN, IN REFERENCE TO THE OTHER STRUCTURES, UM, THAT, UM, HAVE THE STOREFRONT WINDOWS AS AS REFERENCED, IS THERE ANY HISTORY TO, UM, WHEN THOSE, UM, CHANGES WERE MADE? AS FAR AS I KNOW, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT 'EM, I HAVE 'EM ON MY GOOGLE EARTH, YOU CAN SEE 'EM NOW.
THEY'RE ALL THE ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
I MEAN, I'M GONNA TELL YOU IT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN FIVE YEARS.
UM, THE ONE, THE NEXT ONE DOWN FROM THAT, UM, IS EVEN NEWER ACTUALLY BECAUSE IT'S A HOTEL BOTTOM.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU MOVE FURTHER DOWN THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THESE RIGHT HERE.
THOSE ARE SOME OLDER ONES STOREFRONT.
AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE HOTEL DOWN THE STREET OVER HERE, FURTHER DOWN, THOSE ARE ALSO STOREFRONT WINDOWS.
SO THE ONE DIRECTLY ADJACENT HAS HAD THOSE SAME STOREFRONT WINDOWS SINCE AT LEAST NOVEMBER, 2007.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THESE ARE THE WINDOWS THAT WERE REMOVED WITHOUT APPROVAL, UM, AND THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO BE REPLACED WITH, UH, I THINK NOW FIXED WINDOWS.
UM, THE APPLICATION OF RECORD IS FOR REPLACEMENT WITH OPERABLE METAL SASH WINDOWS.
AND ONE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT IS THE WINDOWS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY IN THE BUILDING WERE MADE OUT OF ASBESTOS.
I'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE HISTORY OF THIS BUILDING TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DONE,
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AND JESSICA'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH THAT.CAN YOU SHOW US WHAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS, UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE PICTURE THAT WE'VE JUST ON, WELL, THESE ARE SOME WINDOWS THAT WE LOOKED AT DOING, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THESE ARE THEY'RE NOT SEPARATE LIGHT.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS BASICALLY THE SAME THING YOU'RE SEEING HERE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM MADE OUT OF METAL WHERE THE, AS THE METAL FRAME, IT SEPARATES EACH WINDOW AND THEY WOULD BE CASEMENT WINDOWS, SO THEY WOULD OPEN TO THE, TO THE SIDE LIKE THEY DID BACK IN THE, IN DAYS THAT THEY MADE THESE.
BUT THESE WINDOWS HAVE THE FRAME INSIDE THE GLASS, SO THEY'RE NOT ACCEPTABLE.
SO THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, THESE ARE ACTUALLY FIXED WINDOWS.
SO WHAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS NOT OPERABLE.
SOME OF THEM, THERE WERE A FEW INCLUDED THAT ARE OPERABLE SASH WINDOWS, BUT NO CASE MEANT WINDOWS WERE INCLUDED IN YEAH, NO CASE WINDOWS ARE THERE.
JESSICA, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE, THE VIOLATION A LITTLE MORE? SURE.
SO, UM, THIS HAS BEEN, UH, IN VIOLATION SINCE OCTOBER, 2022.
UM, STAFF, UH, NOTED, DOCUMENTED, UH, REMOVAL OF ALL OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
UM, THEY WERE, UH, MAJORITY, UH, METAL CASEMENT WINDOWS IN THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN WITH SOME SASH METAL WINDOWS, UH, AT THE GROUND FLOOR OF ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM SINCE TO TRY TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, THEY'VE SUBMITTED A FEW ITERATIONS OF THINGS THAT ALSO DIDN'T CONFORM TO GUIDELINES.
UM, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE ALSO NOW WORKING WITH, UH, A NEW CONTRACTOR, UM, TO TRY TO ASSIST ALSO SPECIFIC TO WINDOWS.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, UH, FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.
SO THE, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE THE CASEMENT WINDOWS, THOSE WERE THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING WINDOWS.
UM, THOSE WERE REPLACEMENT PRODUCTS.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN GIVEN THE OPTION TO EITHER, UM, SORRY, I REALIZE THIS IS BLOCKING OUR VIEW, UM, TO EITHER BRING IT BACK TO THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CONDITION, WHICH WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, GUIDELINES OR TO PROPOSE A CONFORMING PRODUCT IN THIS CASE BASED ON THE AGE OF THE BUILDING, FENESTRATION PATTERNS, WE THINK THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE PROBABLY WOOD SASH WINDOWS, LIKE GAINED PAIRS OF WOOD SASH WINDOWS.
SO WE OFFERED THAT AS AN OPTION THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
CAN YOU SHOW US, UH, ILLUSTRATION OF THIS LAST ONE YOU MENTIONED? I DON'T HAVE ONE BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN PROPOSED AND IT WASN'T AN EXISTING CONDITION ON THE BUILDING.
THAT'S JUST, UH, AN EDUCATED GUESS BASED ON THE, SOME THE AGE OF THE BUILDING.
A QUICK QUESTION ON THE HISTORY.
THE, THE SOLID BRICK MASSING ON THE FACADE IN PARTICULAR, UH, MAKES THIS BUILDING UNIQUE FROM SOME OF THE OTHER HISTORIC BUILDINGS AROUND IT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE FENESTRATION SPEAKS TO THAT HISTORY.
DO WE KNOW MUCH MORE ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL NATURE OF THIS PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS BUILT OR PREVIOUS USES? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT HAND.
WE PULLED SANDBORN MAPS AND, UM, WE KNOW THAT IT WAS BUILT IN 1908, UM, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS A, A TWO STOREFRONT BUSINESS AT THAT TIME.
IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS CARRIED MULTIPLE ADDRESSES.
IT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE REST OF THE, UH, SUNSET STATION.
AND, UH, IT WAS BUILT BY, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, CITY OFFICIALS THAT, UH, HAD GOT THE PERMITTING FOR DOING THE SUNSET STATION THERE.
AND IT WAS SOMETHING HE DID ON HIS OWN ON THE SIDE.
IT ACTUALLY HAD NEVER BEEN USED FOR ANYTHING, NEVER.
AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IN THERE IS A, UH, SPORTS BAR AGAIN, WHICH IS WHERE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS VENTILATION, THERE'S BEEN ALL NEW HVAC PUT IN THE BUILDING ALREADY, ALL THREE FLOORS, INCLUDING THE, THE BASEMENT, UH, ALL THERE'S BEEN BATHROOMS ADDED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO WINDOWS IN THE FRONT WHERE IT'S GOT THE TWO SQUARE WINDOWS RIGHT THERE, THAT NOW IS CLOSED OFF BECAUSE THERE'S BATHROOMS ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT, THAT, THAT HALLWAY.
AND THEN, UH, THE TOP PART, WHICH IS WHERE, WHERE ONE OF THE REASONS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STOREFRONT WINDOWS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE STANDING INSIDE THE BUILDING AND YOU LOOK OUT THE BACKSIDE OF IT, THE ALAMO DOME IS THERE AND YOU LOOK OFF TO THE RIGHT AND HEMISPHERE IS THERE.
THERE'S NOTHING IN BETWEEN EXCEPT FOR THE FREEWAY, UH, FOR THE VIEW OF, OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE THE BUILDING.
UH, JESSICA, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE PREVIOUS, I APOLOGIZE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE YES.
THIS ONE, WAS THERE SOMETHING REMOVED THERE? UM, A HISTORIC CANOPY WAS REMOVED FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT IN, HERE'S PHOTO 18.
YEAH, THIS, THESE ARE PHOTOS FROM, OH NO, I'M SORRY.
UM, THESE WERE PROBABLY ACRES FOR A HISTORIC METAL CANOPY.
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IT HAD A CANOPY UP IN THE FRONT BEFORE, WHICH I MEAN, HAS BEEN GONE FOR NO TELLING HOW MANY YEARS.SO I, I THINK ORIGINALLY, AND IT PROBABLY HASN'T BEEN THERE FOR MAYBE A HUNDRED YEARS, BUT THERE WAS A TWO STORY BALCONY, JUST LIKE THE, THE RED BUILDING YOU SEE IN THE BACKGROUND THERE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THAT LITTLE BIT OF BRICK THAT'S KIND OF MARRED.
SO AT SOME POINT THAT WAS REMOVED AND THE WINDOWS WERE MADE TALLER, SO YOU COULDN'T WALK OUT ANYMORE, AND THEN THE CANOPY AND ANCHORS WERE ADDED.
I THINK I HAVE HIS HANDBOARD MAP THAT CONFIRMS IT.
THERE'S SOME PICTURES OF IT, UH, THAT YOU CAN PULL UP.
I THINK WHAT COREY WAS SAYING WAS THAT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDING TWO, TWO BUILD TO THE LEFT.
MM-HMM,
WELL, THAT BUILDING'S PRETTY MUCH NEW BECAUSE IT'S A NEW HOTEL.
I THINK HE'S TALKING, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE ONE STORY BUILDING.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
HOWEVER, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE WHERE HE, WHERE HE'S, WHERE HE'S MENTIONED THAT THE WINDOWS WERE BRICKED, THE TWO IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU SAID THEY, THEY WERE BRICKED IN.
AND SO THEY, THEY ARE NO LONGER ENCASED? NO.
AND THE OLEY, YOU SEE THE BOTTOM BLACK ONE HERE, THE, THE VERY BOTTOM LEFT, THAT ONE, AND THEN THE ONE OVER THE OTHER SIDE, THOSE ARE ALSO CEMENTED IN.
BUT OUR PROPOSAL WAS TO PUT WINDOWS IN THE FRONT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE OPERATIONAL.
AND THESE WAS ALL, THIS WAS ALL DONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS DONE.
IS THIS PART OF THE, THAT THAT HAS BEEN DONE SINCE THE OCTOBER, 2022? UH, VIOLATION, UH, WORK CONTINUED ON THE BUILDING AND THOSE WERE CLOSED IN WITHIN THE LAST YEAR.
AND ACTUALLY THOSE TWO, THE TWO ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS CORNER OVER HERE ON THE LEFT, ON THE, THAT SIDE RIGHT THERE WHERE SHE'S GOT THE CURSOR, THOSE TWO ARE, THOSE ARE BLOCKED.
NOT THOSE, THE ONES ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, OTHER WALL, JESSICA.
SO THAT WAS DONE WITH THE, AS WELL, THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO THIS CONTRACTOR OR WITH THIS CONTRACTOR.
SO THERE'S SORT OF A, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS SORT OF PUT ALL OF THIS ON THE TENANTS OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE BRICK INFILL WAS DONE BY TENANTS OF THE BUILDING WITHIN THE LAST YEAR? NO, THE BRICK IN.
NO, I HAVEN'T BEEN, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.
THE ONLY ONE THAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, THAT I KNOW THAT THEY DID WITH THE TWO FRONT ONES.
SO THERE ARE PHOTOS FROM, AND I WASN'T THERE AT THAT TIME FROM, UH, THIS IS APRIL, 2022, WHERE YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE WINDOWS ARE OPEN.
UH, THIS ONE I THINK HAS SINCE BEEN BRICK IN.
AND THEN THESE THREE WINDOWS AND THESE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN BRICK IN AS WELL.
BUT ALL OF THOSE WINDOWS, THE SMALL WINDOWS, WE HAD PROPOSED TO PUT GLASS IN FRONT OF IT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A, A FACADE THAT THERE WAS GLASS WINDOWS THERE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THIS IS JUST GOING FROM, UH, BAD TO WORSE.
SO, UM, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A MOTION, PLEASE.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO WITH STACK STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, THE STIPULATIONS NOTED IN, UH, FINE IN THE, IN THE CASE FILE.
THERE IS A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AS REQUESTED WITH ITEMS I, I TWO, TWO EYES AND THREE EYES.
AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL.
MOTION IS CARRIED AS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL FOR THE REQUEST OF REPLACEMENTS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN TWO NINETEEN LE STREET.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO, ONE, REMOVE THE EXISTING 6 1 0 1 SLASH WOOD WINDOWS AND REPLACE THEM WITH ONE FIXED WINDOW ON THE REAR.
ITEM TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING DOORS WITH CRAFTSMEN DOORS ON THE FRONT.
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ITEM ONE.STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL OF SIX WOOD WINDOWS AND REPLACEMENT WITH ONE FIXED WINDOW BASED ON FINDING C.
ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF CRAFTSMAN DOOR.
BASED ON FINDING, D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE WOOD, THAT A WOOD ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE DOOR BE INSTALLED INSTEAD, SUCH AS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DOOR NOTED IN THE FINDINGS.
UM, THAT PROPERTY OWNER VALENTINA IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY THERE ARE NO, UH, LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS OR IN PERSON SPEAKERS.
VAL VALENTINA, ARE YOU THERE? YOU NEED TO UNMUTE, I BELIEVE.
DO YOU LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT YOUR CASE TO THE COMMISSIONERS? YES.
SO WE ORIGINALLY HAD THE DOORS APPROVED.
UH, WE MADE 'EM OUT OF WOOD JUST LIKE THEY HAD, UH, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, GOT 'EM APPROVED.
THE PERSON WHO WE GOT HIM MADE THROUGH HAD A, I GUESS IT WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION WITH ALSO OUR BACK DOOR.
AND INSTEAD OF MAKING THE DOOR WITH THE FOUR LONGER GLASS, THEY MADE THEM JUST LIKE MORE AT THE TOP.
AND SO WHEN OF COURSE WE GOT THEM INSTALLED, THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN CLAUDIA WENT OUT AND JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, THESE AREN'T THE CORRECT DOORS.
WE, YOU KNOW, WERE, WE WERE HOPING THAT IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL, JUST HAVING THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AT THE TOP RATHER THAN
UM, BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN DEFINITELY GO AHEAD AND REDO THESE DOORS IF NEEDED.
WE WERE JUST HOPING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY AND REDO THESE, THESE DOORS.
CLAUDIA, CAN YOU PUT THE, THE PHOTO UP OF THE, THE REAR THAT SHOWS THE WINDOWS AND THE DOOR THAT ARE, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO THE DOORS ARE THE FRONT DOORS.
UM, IT'S JUST THE REAR WINDOW.
THAT'S ONE LONG WINDOW FOR THOSE BACK WINDOWS.
UM, WE WENT AHEAD AND DID AN INSULATED LOW E TEMPERED.
IT'S A FOUR FOOT BY EIGHT FEET WINDOW, JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE.
SO BACK IN LAST YEAR, BRIAN WENT OUT, UM, AND THEY WEREN'T SURE IF IT WAS IN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE OR NOT, BUT WE WENT AHEAD AND HIRED A ENGINEER AND HE DID HIS RESEARCH.
HE SAID IT WAS IN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, ALL THOSE WINDOWS THAT WE HAD IN THE BACK, THEY WERE ALL ROTTED AT THE BOTTOM, ALL OF THE WOOD AT THE BOTTOM.
I WENT AHEAD AND SHARED SOME PICTURES WITH CLAUDIA.
UM, THEY WEREN'T WEIGHTED WINDOWS, UM, THEY HAD RODS IN THEM.
IT WAS JUST NOT STRUCTURALLY SUPPORTED.
SO WHY, THAT'S WHY WE WENT AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, REMOVED EVERYTHING, SUPPORTED THE WHOLE BACK BEFORE PRETTY MUCH IT, IT WAS JUST ALREADY GONNA COME DOWN.
UM, THE ENCLOSED PORCH, THE ENGINEER HAD SAID IT HAD FALLEN ABOUT TWO INCHES BECAUSE OF NO STRUCTURAL BEAMS ON THERE.
I I, I WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN.
SO, UM, I WAS AT THE SITE VISIT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, UM, BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
SO CLAUDIA, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE, UM, I THINK NUMBER 12.
UM, SO BOTH JESSICA AND ANDERSON AND I, UM, WENT TO DO A SIDE VISIT IN JANUARY OF 2023.
UM, WE HAD MADE A NOTE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTOR AT THE TIME, UM, THAT THE WINDOW REMOVAL AT THE REAR THERE WOULD REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS PRIOR TO ANY TYPE OF MODIFICATION.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN, WAS MADE AWARE OF THAT, UM, AND HAS GOTTEN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SINCE THAT SITE VISIT.
AND SO THE WINDOW THAT IS INSTALLED ON PHOTO 13, UH, WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT PERMITTING OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
NOW CLAUDIO, DO YOU WANNA PUT THE DOORS ON THE SCREEN JUST SO IT'S CLEAR? SO THESE ARE THE DOORS THAT WERE INSTALLED, BUT NOT THE DOORS THAT GOT APPROVED.
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THAT WERE APPROVED RIGHT NOW ALONG WITH THE COA.AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE MISCOMMUNICATION WAS.
WE DID THE FOUR WINDOWS AT THE TOP RATHER THAN THE LONGER SIX PANEL WINDOWS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION ON OUR END WITH OUR WOOD PERSON GUY.
UM, SO WE, I SPOKE TO CLAUDIA AND I THINK BACK THEN IT WAS ALSO BRIAN, UM, KIND OF CLARIFYING TO SEE IF IT NEEDED TO BE CLEAR WINDOWS, IF WE COULD DO MORE OF, UH, A CERTAIN COLOR OR TEMPERED GLASS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE JUST WANNA FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING.
AND UM, LIKE I SAID, WE JUST, WE WERE HOPING THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON THIS.
UM, BUT IF WE HAVE TO, WE WILL DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, REDO THIS DOORS BECAUSE IT WAS, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION ON OUR END WITH THE WOOD AT THIS TIME.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS, PLEASE.
OH, ONE OTHER THING BEFORE I TWO, CAN YOU CLARIFY ABOUT THE WINDOWS ONE MORE TIME? ON THE REAR, WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THOSE, WE'RE JUST ADDRESSING THE DOORS, CORRECT? NO, THE WINDOWS ARE UPPER DISCUSSION THAT ARE ON THE REAR AS WELL AS THE FRONT DOORS.
AND YOU SAID THEY WERE NOTIFIED? YES.
SO, BRIAN, IS IT, SORRY,
SO, UM, AND, AND CLAUDIA'S SHOWING IN ON THE SCREEN WITH APPROVED COAS FROM THE PAST AND AS WELL AS, UM, STAFF'S, UM, PROPERTY OR, UM, SITE HISTORY OR PROPERTY HISTORY WITHIN OUR FINDINGS.
UM, BUT YES, JUST TO RE-CLARIFY.
SO THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND CONTRACTOR AT THE TIME DID MAKE, UM, THEIR INTENTIONS KNOWN, UM, JANUARY, 2023, THAT THEY DID WANNA INSTALL SOME TYPE OF FIXED WINDOW AT THE REAR.
UM, BUT AGAIN, STAFF DID MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, AN APPLICATION, UM, SO THAT WE COULD TAKE IT TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
UM, WE DID LET THEM KNOW TOO THAT THE REPAIR OF THE WINDOWS AND KIND ARE, WERE, UM, UM, WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY, UH, REGARDING THE DOORS AND SUCH.
UM, I WAS ALSO THE CASE MANAGER FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR THE DOORS AND I WAS IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, REGARDING THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, UM, APPROPRIATE DOOR THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, AND THEN THE DOORS INSTALLED ARE, UM, CRAFTING DOORS.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I AM READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, DENYING THE APPLICATION WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
CURRENTLY I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DE TO DENY THE CURRENT APPLICATION.
WITH A SECOND, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A ROLL CALL.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 6 26 BURNETT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ONE.
INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL FRONT YARD, WOOD FRAMED CATTLE PANEL FENCE AND HORIZONTAL WOOD, FRONT YARD FENCING EXCEEDING FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT.
REMOVE THE FRONT WALKWAYS AND INSTALL WALKWAY PAVERS AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE FACADE.
REMOVE THE CHIMNEY AND FOUR, REPLACE THE FRONT, REAR, AND SIDE LAWN WITH GRAVEL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FRONT YARD FENCE MATERIAL THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FENCE, MATERIAL AND DESIGN FOUND
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IN THE IMMEDIATE, IN THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT, UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.TWO, THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE HDRC CT TAB AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14 ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH F.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS TWO FRONT WALKWAYS TO MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING WALKWAYS AND LOCATION MATERIAL ALIGNMENT CONFIGURATION AND WIDTH BASED ON FINDING D THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A MEASURED SITE PLAN AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA TWO THAT THE APPLICANT RECONSTRUCTS THE CHIMNEY TO MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING IN MATERIAL DIMENSIONS AND DETAIL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT DETAILED MEASURED DRAWINGS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A COA THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS AT LEAST 50% OF NATIVE PLANTINGS AND NATURAL COLORED GROUND COVER TO COMPLY WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND UPDATED LANDSCAPING PLAN MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND LIST OF NATIVE PLANTINGS TO BE USED MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AS, UM, A CASE COMMENT, THIS IS A COMPLIANCE CASE, THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER, UH, SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR FENCE INSTALLATION FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND THROUGH THE REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION STAFF OBSERVED THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF SCOPES OF WORK THAT WERE SIM THAT WERE COMPLETED WITHOUT APPROVAL OR OUTSIDE OF EXISTING APPROVALS.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE BEING REVIEWED TODAY.
UH, THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER, RICHARD GONZALEZ, IS WITH US VIRTUALLY.
WE DO HAVE ONE LETTER IN YOUR, UH, LETTERS FOLDER AND ALSO A VOICEMAIL TO BE HEARD.
MR. GONZALEZ, ARE YOU THERE? DON'T NEED TO AGREE? YEAH, I'M OKAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS? I I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTION.
UM, I MEAN, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH ANY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, ORIGINALLY WHEN I, WHEN I DID THE, UH, PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND, UH, WENT TO THE DESIGN BOARD THE FIRST TIME, UM, THIS PROPERTY USED TO BE A DUPLEX AT ONE POINT, SO IT BECAME A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
SO I HAD TO KEEP ALL THE DOORS, UH, EVEN THOUGH ONE OF 'EM IS, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT DOORS IS SHEET ROCK FROM THE INSIDE, SO THERE'S REALLY NO WALKWAY THAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT.
UH, THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY COMMENT IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOW A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO DUE TO THAT, THE, THE, THE CHIMNEY THAT WAS THERE, UH, WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED STRUCTURALLY BECAUSE THERE'S NO WALL THERE NOW.
SO IT'S JUST MORE OF A FUNCTIONALITY AND, AND SAFETY.
WE DO HAVE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS THROUGH VOICEMAIL.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FWA, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DIGNITY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND I'M CALLING IN ON HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 3 4.
WE AGREE WITH OH P'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THIS REQUEST.
THE EGREGIOUS DISREGARD FOR ANY OF THE HISTORICAL GUIDELINES REQUIRED TO KEEP DICK WITTY HILL HISTORIC AND MAKE IT THE DESIRED NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS MERITS THAT THIS DEVELOPER BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL STIPULATIONS AS OUTLINED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION NO MATTER WHAT THE COST, WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT.
THIS COMMITTEE REVIEWS CASES AND HOLDS DEVELOPERS, FLIPPERS AND INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS DO THE SAME GUIDELINES AS OUTLINED BY THE OHP TO HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND DO THE THINGS OUTLINED IN THE FINDINGS, ESPECIALLY REMOVING THE CHIMNEY SHOWS A COMPLETE LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE HISTORICAL DESIGN OF THIS HOUSE AND DISREGARD FOR THE FACT THAT IT'S IN A DESIGNATED HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND WHEN THE EXCUSE OF LACK OF FUNDING OR IT WILL AFFECT MY FINANCIAL BOTTOM LINE IF I FIX THESE ISSUES.
EXCUSES COME UP AS THEY ALWAYS DO, THEY SHOULD BE IGNORED AND THIS DEVELOPER SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEM HE CREATED.
CAN OHP CONFIRM THAT THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE FENCE IS STILL THE SAME OR WAS IT REPLACED WITH PAVERS? IF IT WAS REPLACED BY PAVERS, IT SHOULD BE TAKEN BACK TO A NORMAL CEMENT WALKWAY WITH THE APPROPRIATE DIMENSIONS.
AND TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING THE SIDEWALK, STAFF DID CONDUCT A SITE VISIT TO VERIFY IF THE WALKWAYS WERE COVERED IN GRAVEL OR IF THEY HAD BEEN REMOVED.
AND WE ASSESSED THAT THOSE WALKWAYS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
ONE HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH PAVERS.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF BRUSH FOR BRUSH PICKUP THAT WAS ON THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK WHEN, UM, THE SITE VISIT WAS CONDUCTED.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE FRONT, THE SIDEWALK IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, STILL EXISTS.
I HAD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS
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PLEASE.SO, RACHEL, THE WHAT WOULD BE RESTORED UNDER OHP STIPULATIONS IS THE TWO SIDEWALKS, THE CHIMNEY, UH, HELP ME OUT WITH THE REST HERE.
SO THE, UH, CENTRAL CHIMNEY THAT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE RECONSTRUCTED TO MATCH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY EXISTING.
UM, THERE WOULD ALSO ALSO TWO FRONT WALKWAYS, UH, THAT WERE REMOVED.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, RETURNED TO MATCH PREVIOUS DIMENSIONS AND I'LL PULL UP THE REQUEST LANGUAGE SO EVERYONE CAN SEE IT.
AND THEN, UM, THE LANDSCAPING IS ALL GRAVEL AT THIS TIME, AND SO PER THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, AT LEAST 50% OF THE LANDSCAPING SHOULD BE, UH, NATIVE PLANTINGS OR GRASS.
RACHEL, WERE THERE ANY COAS REQUESTED PRIOR TO THIS? YES, THERE WERE, UH, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS ON FILE FOR SEVERAL SCOPES OF WORK.
I BELIEVE THEY WERE FIRST ISSUED, UM, IN EARLY 2023 OR SO.
UM, HOWEVER, THE WORK THAT WE ARE REVIEWING TODAY WAS DONE OUTSIDE OF THOSE APPROVALS.
SO THAT WAS NOT REQUESTED IN THE PAST.
SO THEY WERE FAMILIAR WITH, OR I ASSUME AS, AS FAR AS STAFF KNOWS, UH, MR. GONZALEZ, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH THE APPLICATION AND APPROVAL PROCESS FOR EXTERIOR WORK ON THE PROPERTY? YES.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M DEALING WITH THE WALKWAYS, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THE FENCING IS DONE AT THE VERY END.
SO, UM, I DID SUBMIT THAT REQUEST, YOU KNOW, AT THE VERY END AND THAT'S WHEN YOU GUYS CAME IN AND SAW THE WALKWAYS.
UM, BUT YEAH, LIKE I SAID, OBVIOUSLY GOING FORWARD I KNOW ABOUT THE WALKWAYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE GUIDELINES, BUT UH, IT'S JUST THE LEARNING PROCESS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AS WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SIDEWALKS AND WALKWAYS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, RECREATION OF THE TWO, UH, FRONT WALKS THAT GO TO THE ORIGINAL DOORS, UH, THAT ARE PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET.
AND TO THE EXTENT WE KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PUBLIC SIDEWALK, WHICH IS PARALLEL TO THE STREET, IS STILL THERE.
SO, UM, MR. GONZALEZ CAN PROBABLY CONFIRM THAT AS WELL.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE HAS BEEN NO WORK TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK AND THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THE REQUEST, UM, THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE IS THE REMOVAL OF THOSE FRONT WALKWAYS FROM THE DOORS BECAUSE THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY A DUPLEX.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THEY ARE RETURNED TO MATCH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY EXISTING.
I HAD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE STATED STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, THERE IS A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH, WITH STIPULATIONS.
AND A SECOND I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL.
AND MR. GONZALEZ, YOU'LL STAY ON FOR THIS ONE AS WELL.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13 HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 4 5 5 0 4 NORTH HACKBERRY.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A FRONT YARD CATTLE PANEL FENCE WITH A PEDESTRIAN DRIVE AND DRIVEWAY GATE TWO, REPLACE THE FRONT PORCH.
STEPS THREE, REPLACE THE FRONT PORCH DECKING.
FOUR, REMOVE THE EXISTING CHIMNEY.
FIVE, REPLACE WHOLESALE THE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY AND SIX, MODIFY THE EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE FENCE ENGAGED HEIGHT DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET.
TWO, THAT THE DRIVEWAY GATE BE PLACED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL ONE BY THREE WOOD, WOOD, TONGUE AND GROOVE PORCH DECKING RUNNING PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE WITH A SLIGHT SLOPE FACING TOWARD THE FRONT YARD.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS FOUR THROUGH SIX BASED ON FINDINGS A AND I THROUGH P.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RESTORE THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS, WHICH INCLUDE THE CHIMNEY, RECONSTRUCTION
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AND WOOD WINDOWS WITH TRIM IN THE SAME HISTORIC FENESTRATION PATTERN, UM, INCLUDING THEIR SIZES AND LOCATIONS OF OPENINGS.THE APPLICANT RICHARD GONZALEZ IS HERE VIRTUALLY.
THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW.
AND RICHARD, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, UH, WALK THE COMMISSION THROUGH THIS, UM, PROJECT AND YOU'RE MUTED, RICHARD.
UM, YEAH, UH, UH, OBVIOUSLY ON THIS ONE IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED 'CAUSE UH, IT WAS A REALLY BAD CONDITION PROPERTY.
UM, IF YOU GUYS SEE SOME OF THE PREVIOUS PICTURES, WINDOWS ARE MISSING, UM, IT, IT IT'S BEEN, IT WAS FRANKENSTEIN WITH, UH, VINYL WINDOWS.
UM, SO THOSE ARE DEFINITELY NOT REPAIRABLE.
UH, THE, UH, THE SKIRTING WAS ALWAYS B SO IT'S, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST PUTTING REGULAR WOOD, UH, THAT ROTS.
SO THAT TYPE OF TYPE, THAT TYPE OF PROJECT.
IT WAS JUST A, YOU KNOW, OLD HOUSE, UH, WITH LACK OF MAINTENANCE AND, AND LOVE TO IT.
AND AGAIN, I, I HOLD THESE PROPERTIES, I DON'T, I'M NOT A FLIPPER, I DON'T SELL THEM.
I'M GONNA HOLD THEM FOR THE LONG RUN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S MY GOAL TO RESTORE THEM TO ITS BEAUTY.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY COMMENTS.
I I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO STAFF WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE, UM, THE APPLICANT HAD RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO REPAIR WOOD WINDOWS AND KIND ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEY WERE REMOVED, UM, AND INSTALLED WITH BRAND NEW WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, SO THE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS ANY, UM, EVIDENCE SHOWN TO STAFF THAT THERE WAS, UM, A WIDE RANGE OF DIFFERENT, UM, WINDOW MATERIALS.
AND THEN I WILL EXPLAIN WHAT POTENTIAL OUTCOMES ARE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A LITTLE WEIRD.
UM, VERY RARELY DOES SOMEBODY REPLACE WOOD WINDOWS WITHOUT APPROVAL WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS.
USUALLY THEY'RE PUTTING IN SOMETHING CHEAPER OR ALUMINUM OR VINYL OR SOMETHING THAT IS CLEARLY NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, LIKE THIS IS WHAT IS NORMALLY APPROVED WHEN REPLACEMENT IS FOUND TO BE, UM, APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO A POTENTIAL REMEDY, UM, GIVEN THAT, UM, THE, THE PREVIOUS REPLACEMENT WAS NOT APPROVED, UM, IS THAT INSTEAD OF LIKE THESE, UM, INDIVIDUAL WINDOW PRODUCTS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE, YOU INSTALL THEM AS ONE PIECE, WHAT COULD BE DONE IF YOU'RE WANTING TO RESTORE THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS IS REBUILD THE WINDOW USING SALVAGE SASHES.
AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE INTO THE FINAL APPEARANCE, HOW THAT LOOKS.
THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'D BE MAKING SURE THAT THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TRIM WERE RESTORED AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S ON THE TABLE IN REGARDS TO THE WINDOWS.
COREY, UH, WERE THE, SO LIKE ON THIS, UH, PICTURE AND THERE WAS ONE ON THE SIDE, UM, WHERE IT SHOWED, SO WAS THERE WINDOWS RIGHT THERE WHERE IT'S NOW BLANK? NO.
WHY ARE THOSE? UM, YEAH, SO, UH, ON THIS NORTH ELEVATION RIGHT HERE, UM, THE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE THERE IS A NEW WINDOW OPENING.
UM, IT WAS FLANKED ON EITHER SIDE WITH, UM, WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT INFILLED.
UH, SO AT, FOR THIS WALL PLANE RIGHT HERE, THERE USED TO ONLY BE TWO WINDOWS.
AND SO THE, THE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE WAS INSTALLED.
UH, SO THEY MODIFIED THE FENESTRATION.
YEAH, SO THE FENESTRATION, UM, HAS BEEN MODIFIED.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A FEW WINDOW FUELS, SO LIKE HERE ON THE SOUTH, UM, THERE USED TO BE A WINDOW HERE.
UM, THERE USED TO BE A WINDOW HERE IN HERE WHERE MY MOUSE CURSORS ARE, UM, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A PHOTO OF THE EAST ELEVATION, UM, BUT THE SOUTH, NORTH AND, UM, THE, THEY HAVE BEEN MODIFIED AND MAYBE I'M NOT READING THE RECOMMENDATIONS RIGHT, BUT IS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO RESTORE THE FENESTRATION PATTERNS.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RESTORE THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS WOULD INCLUDE THE CHIMNEY, RECONSTRUCTION AND WIDTH WINDOWS, WHICH TRIM IN THE SAME HISTORIC FENESTRATION PATTERN.
SO THAT INCLUDES SIZES AND LOCATIONS OF THE OPENING.
SO THE COA WAS JUST FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, NOT MODIFICATIONS.
UM, SO THE, THE, THE PREVIOUS COA ISSUED WAS FOR WOOD WINDOW REPAIR.
SO THERE WAS NO, UH, THERE WAS NO APPROVAL FOR
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WINDOW REPLACEMENT OR FENESTRATION UH, MODIFICATIONS.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT AND, UH, THAT WE DID HAVE A VOICEMAIL TO REVIEW AS WELL, AND I CAN PLAY THAT NOW.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FRAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE CHAIRMAN WOODY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND I'M CALLING IN ON HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH FOUR FIVE.
WE AGREE WITH ALL OF OP STIPULATIONS AND RECOMMENDATION TO NOT APPROVE ITEMS FOUR THROUGH SIX.
IT'S EVIDENT THAT WITH BOTH OF HIS APPLICATIONS, THE DEVELOPER KNOWS HE'S RENOVATING A HISTORICAL STRUCTURE LOCATED IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT JUST DOESN'T CARE AND TAKES NO INTEREST IN TRYING TO MEET THE OHP GUIDELINES.
THIS HOUSE, ALONG WITH THE 6 2 6 BURNETT HOUSE DESERVES TO BE RENOVATED WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
THE GOAL IS TO ENHANCE WHAT'S THERE ALREADY NOT CHANGE IT.
AND IF RETURN ON INVESTMENT, NEGATIVE FINANCIAL IMPACT ON BOTTOM LINE AND RESALE VALUE ARE USED AS TO WHY THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN, THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD STILL BE HELD TO OHP RECOMMENDATIONS IN ORDER TO PREVENT SETTING PRECEDENTS SO THAT HE NOR ANY OTHER DEVELOPER THINKS THEY CAN CONTINUE TO COMPLETELY IGNORE OHP GUIDELINES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS.
THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS.
I'D LIKE A RULE CALL VOTE PLEASE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS TO DISCUSS? THAT'S IT.
AND WE'LL BE NOTIFIED ABOUT WHEN TO GO DO A SITE VISIT.
YOU'LL ALL RECEIVE AN EMAIL, UH, INVITATION TO THAT.
AT THIS TIME I TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR CLOSING OF THE OF OUR MEETING? MEETING? AYE.