* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.
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          IT IS 3:00 PM 
          [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order]
I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE STORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR MARCH 6TH. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINO VELAZQUEZ. 
          GALLOWAY MOOKA. 
          HERE. 
          GUEVARA. 
          HERE. 
          VASQUEZ. 
          PRESENT. 
          CERVANTES. 
          HERE. 
          HOLLAND? HERE. 
          FETZER HERE. 
          AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE SOMEONE FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. 
          IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE STORY DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIF UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. 
          IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. 
          IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS A CASE IS CALLED. 
          CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. 
          EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. 
          ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. 
          SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. 
          ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMITS. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION SHALL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. 
          AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. 
          ARE THERE ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? UM, NO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE CAN GET STARTED HERE. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK NOTE THAT, UH, MR. DREW GALLOWAY, UH, HAS JOINED US VIRTUALLY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, YOU WILL NEED YOUR VIDEO ON IN ORDER TO COUNT TOWARDS THE ATTENDANCE. 
          UM, SO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ONCE WE BEGIN REVIEWING CASES. 
          UM, THE FIRST ITEM, UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO CONSENT IS, UM, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 21ST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [Approval of Minutes]
I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          MR. COMMISSIONER, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 21. 
          2024. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SECOND. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED. 
          I PROPERLY SECOND MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          GUEVARA. 
          AYE. 
          VASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, LET'S JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, ARE YOU THERE? I SAW YOU ON MUTE BRIEFLY, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONNECTED. 
          I CAN YOU UNMUTE? OKAY. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, AND WE'LL, I'LL JUST LOOK OUT FOR YOU AND IF YOU WANNA SEND ME A TEXT WE CAN TROUBLESHOOT SEPARATELY. 
          UM, 
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Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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SO LOOKING ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE OUR CONSENT ITEM AGENDA. 
          UM, THERE'S 11 ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME WE'LL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT, BEGINNING WITH VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM TWO. 
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HELLO, MY NAME IS ALYSSA IL. 
          I LIVE AT 9 0 5 WEST AGARITA AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 3 0 2 8 4, WHICH IS NINE 11 WEST AGARITA. 
          AND I'M CALLING IN FOR MY SUPPORT FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          THE PROPERTY IS VERY WELL MAINTAINED. 
          THE OWNERS DO A GREAT JOB MAKING SURE THAT THEY, UH, HAVE DONE A LOT OF, PUT A LOT OF CARE AND EFFORT INTO THE HOME AND TO KEEP THINGS VERY ORIGINAL. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE THEM, UH, PLACES FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND ARE IN SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, MY NAME IS AMANDA PATTON AND I RESIDE AT 9 1 2 WEST AITA AVENUE, UM, 7 8 2 0 1. 
          AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 3 0 2 8 4. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION OF THE RESIDENCE LOCATED AT NINE 11 WEST AITA AVENUE. 
          UM, MY FAMILY AND I ACTUALLY LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPERTY, UM, WHICH BELONGS TO, UH, RICHARD AND IVAN DAVILA. 
          UM, BASED ON OUR OBSERVATIONS AND CONVERSATIONS WITH AVILAS, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HOME. 
          HOWEVER, I CAN REALLY ONLY SPEAK TO THE EXTERIOR, BUT, UM, WHAT I DO APPRECIATE IS THAT THE UPDATES AND THE DESIGN CHOICES THEY'VE MADE, UM, THEY DON'T CLASH WITH THE AESTHETICS OF WHAT YOU'D EXPECT IN THE HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I ACTUALLY REALLY DO FEEL LIKE THE CURB APPEAL OF THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL HOME HAS, HAS HELPED TO ENHANCE THE ENTIRE LOOK OF THE BLOCK. 
          UM, WE'VE LIVED HERE SINCE BEFORE THE AVILAS MOVED IN, AND WHILE THE PREVIOUS OWNER DID MAINTAIN LIKE A NICE OUTDOOR AREA, THE AVILAS HAVE REALLY ENHANCED THE LOOK OF THE HOME. 
          UM, IT'S VERY CUTE, IT HAS A LOT OF CHARM, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS DESERVING OF THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION. 
          AGAIN, MY NAME IS AMANDA PATTON AT 9 1 2. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS AMANDA SPENCE AND I LIVE AT 9 1 5 WEST AGARITA AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO 7 8 0 1. 
          I'M CALLING TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON ITEM NUMBER 3 0 2 8 4. 
          REGARDING NINE 11 WEST AGARITA AVENUE. 
          I WANNA COMMEND RICHARD AND YVONNE FURTHER EXCEPTIONAL EFFORTS IN MAINTAINING AND BEAUTIFYING THE PROPERTY. 
          THEY'VE PUT IN GREAT EFFORT TO MAINTAIN THE HOUSE, INCLUDING POWER WASHING, PAINTING, LANDSCAPING THE ENTIRE FRONT YARD, AND CONSISTENTLY KEEPING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY LOOKING PRISTINE. 
          THEIR DEDICATION TO ENHANCING THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S AESTHETICS IS TRULY COMMENDABLE FOR CONSIDERING MY INPUT. 
          AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. 
          HI, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH KORN. 
          THE ITEM NUMBER THAT I AM CALLING ABOUT IS NUMBER 3 0 2 8 4, AND MY ADDRESS IS 1102 WEST LINWOOD IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. 
          BUT I AM CALLING ABOUT NINE 11 WEST AGARITA AND I AM SHOWING FULL SUPPORT IN HAVING THEM HAVE A HISTORIC, UH, DESIGNATION. 
          THEIR HOME IS IMMACULATE AND IT HAS BEEN WELL KEPT UP AND IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION FOR SAN ANTONIO. 
          ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS ELIZABETH IHORN CALLING ABOUT RICHARD AND YVONNE DAVILA AND NINE 11 WEST AGARITA AVENUE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          BYE-BYE. 
          HI, MY NAME IS KIMBERLY SAA AT LIVE AT 8 1 4 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. 
          AND I WAS CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM 3 0 2 8 4. 
          THAT'S THE NINE 11 WEST AGARITA ADDRESS. 
          UH, I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS AND, UH, BELIEVE THAT UM, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SUBMITTED SO THAT, UH, THEY CAN BE MARKED AS HISTORICAL. 
          UM, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME AND I, UH, HIGHLY RECOMMEND EVERYBODY DRIVE BY AND SEE YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GOODBYE. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VERONICA DAVILA AND UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1110 VIRGINIA BOULEVARD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 3. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF ITEM NUMBER 3 0 2 8 4. 
          THE REQUESTER ADDRESS IS 9 1 1 WEST AGARITA AVENUE. 
          UM, AND I AM JUST WANTING TO CALL TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THIS HOME IS VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY KEPT, WELL KEPT. 
          UM, IT'S THE, THE OWNERS HAVE DONE A OUTSTANDING JOB, UM, REALLY IMPROVING ON THE HOUSE. 
          UH, THE FRONT YARD LOOKS GREAT, UM, AND REALLY MAKING IMPROVEMENTS 
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IN THE HOUSE AND IN THE BACK AS WELL. 
          UM, IT'S SUPER CUTE, UH, AND BEAUTIFUL AND I REALLY BELIEVE IT ADDS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AESTHETICS. 
          SO, UM, I JUST, UM, I MYSELF ALSO LIVE IN A, IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, TO HAVE HOMES LIKE THIS THAT ARE VERY WELL KEPT, UM, AND, UH, REALLY ADDS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO I APPRECIATE WHAT THE OWNERS HAVE DONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 2 0 2, MARY LOUISE. 
          WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 11, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 0 82 0 2. 
          MARY LOUISE DRIVE. 
          MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MPNA AND THE 10 MEMBER MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 SAN ANTONIO. 
          WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR COMMITMENT AND INVESTMENT IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME AT 2 0 2. 
          MARY LOUISE. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A REAR SPIRAL STAIRCASE AND A NEW PERGOLA. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE APPLICANT TO EVALUATE THE PERGOLAS EASTERN SUPPORT STRUCTURE, ITS HEADER AND TWO SUPPORT BEAMS TO ENSURE A MINIMAL MASSING FACING THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WE WISH THE APPLICANT'S SUCCESS AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. 
          THAT CONCLUDES COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND COMMISSIONS ARE REMINDED THERE ARE LETTERS IN YOUR FOLDERS. 
          UM, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM CONSENT? MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL AGENDA ITEMS THREE AND 11. 
          ITEM THREE AND 11. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? HEARING NONE. 
          CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINING ITEMS ON CONSENT? MR. MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 10 WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          GALLOWAY AYE. 
          ZUKA AYE. 
          DIVA. 
          AYE. 
          VASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF YOU ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 8 24 WEST MAGNOLIA, NINE 11 WEST AGARITA 600 THEO PARKWAY, 1947 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS 1522 EAST GRAYSON 3 0 4 SADIE 32 44 MISSION ONE 12 EAST LINWOOD AND 2218 OR DRIVE. 
          YOUR REQUEST HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING. 
          YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE, THIS IS 5 1 5 FETA. 
          UM, I THINK WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICATION HERE. 
          WHO WANTS TO TAKE IT? I DON'T, I DON'T SEE MARCO. 
          WHOEVER FEELS MOST COMFORTABLE ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPLICATION PODIUM, DISTRICT PODIUM PLEASE. 
          HERE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          AFTERNOON. 
          AFTERNOON. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. 
          JAVIER RIZ GALINDO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, MR. GALINDO. 
          MY NAME IS JASON VASQUEZ AND I REPRESENT DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE PROJECT, BUT DID YOU WANNA GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT FIRST? UM, SURE. 
          IT'S, UH, BASICALLY THE, THE CONCEPT IS CHANGING, UH, FROM THE FIG TREE TO CASA KATRINA. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT'S BASICALLY A, A REMODELATION AND A CHANGE OF CONCEPT 
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OF, UH, FOR THE RESTAURANT. 
          SURE. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE ADDING LOTS OF TRELLIS WORK ON THE EXTERIOR. 
          WE HAVE, UM, PROPOSED ADDING IT'S, IT'S NOT BEEN DONE, BUT YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE MURALS, UM, THERE IS A MURAL ON ONE OF THE SITES, UHHUH , THAT'S, UH, LIKE AN ART PIECE THAT WE WANT TO, UH, PLACE THERE. 
          SURE. 
          AND THEN YOU MENTIONED ABOUT INSTALLATION OF AN ALTAR WITHIN A FLOWER BED. 
          IS THERE ANY JET JET 15 OR RACHEL? SORRY, GO AHEAD COREY. 
          YEAH, SLIDE 15. 
          WE'RE GONNA ZOOM IN ON THAT, HOPEFULLY. 
          YES, IT'S A SELF SUPPORTED, UM, STRUCTURE THAT GOES RIGHT THERE ON TOP AND IT'S, UM, TO REPRESENT AN OUTER WHERE PEOPLE CAN PUT, UH, THEIR RE AND THINGS WHERE IT'S ON. 
          UM, IF YOU SEE RIGHT NEXT TO THE DUMPSTER DOORS IN BETWEEN THE GATE, UH, UNDER THE GATE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THAT PART. 
          IT'S AN ALTAR THAT'S MADE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH A, WITH A CAST IRON, UM, BASE. 
          SO IT'S COMPLETELY SELF-SUPPORTED. 
          IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THE SCALE OF THE MURALS, ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE THERE? THEY'RE GONNA BE THAT SIZE OR THAT'S THE PROPOSAL IDEA? YES. 
          UH, IT'S ONE MURAL THAT GOES ON THE SIDE. 
          WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UM, MAKING THEM A LITTLE LESS PROMINENT? I GUESS WE CAN WORK ON THAT ON A DESIGN TO MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS PROMINENT. 
          THE IDEA IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT'S WALKING ON THE RIVER CAN SEE IT, BUT SURE, SURE. 
          THEY'RE A LITTLE OVERPOWERING, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST ASKED THAT. 
          AND THEN THE TRAIL ASSIST THAT YOU, UM, PROPOSE, THOSE LOOK REALLY MODERN FOR, UH, LATA AREA. 
          WAS THERE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION, UH, FOR DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL? WELL, UH, IT'S VERY MUCH WITH THE MATERIAL THAT GOES ON THE STAIRWAYS. 
          UH, THE STAIRWAYS ARE MADE OUT OF IRON, SO THEY'RE KIND OF ATTACHED TO THE STAIRWAYS, BUT THE TRELLIS ARE WOOD, SO IT'S REALLY NOT THAT MODERN. 
          UH, IT'S JUST A BASE THAT SUPPORTS THEM. 
          THAT SIREN. 
          JESSICA OR RACHEL IS SET, IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? I'M SORRY. 
          IF THE TRELLIS ARE WOOD OR STEEL. 
          AND I'M GOING TO HEAD BACK TO THE SITE PLANS THAT WE HAVE HERE FOR THE TRELLIS SYSTEM. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          THE, THE BEAMS ARE WOOD, CORRECT. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE METAL POST LATTICE STRUCTURES HERE. 
          AND FOR THE METAL, YOU DIDN'T CONSIDER ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THE POST THAT'S ON THE BALCONY THERE? I THINK FOR THE, FOR THE STRENGTH OF THE STRUCTURE, THE METAL IS PROBABLY THE BEST. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, WHY DID YOU PAINT THE STUCCO? UM, STUCCO'S SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S BREATHABLE. 
          ACTUALLY. 
          THE PAINT THAT WAS, UH, USED FOR THE SOCO IS A SPECIAL PAINT THAT, UH, ALLOWS BREATHING. 
          IT DOES ALLOW, YES. 
          WELL, AND I WILL ALSO ADD, LIKE, NORMALLY WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND FOR, FOR A LOT OF THE STRUCTURES IN LA VITA, THEY'RE EITHER COLLEGIATE BLOCK OR LIMESTONE. 
          AND SO GENERALLY THEY'RE NOT PAINTED. 
          THEY HAVE A, A LIME WASH. 
          AND SO THERE ARE WAYS TO ADD LIKE MINERALS TO GIVE IT COLOR, BUT USUALLY IT'S JUST LIKE A WHITE LIME WASH. 
          UM, IN THIS CASE, THIS BUILDING WAS PREVIOUSLY PAINTED AND THEREFORE THAT DID INFORM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL PAINTING. 
          UM, BUT THE BREATH BREATHABILITY BEING, UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE KEEPING IN MIND. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. 
          THAT HELPS ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          UM, AND THEN I ALREADY ASKED ABOUT THE ALTAR AND THE FLOWER BED, SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          YES, MR. OKAY. 
          UM, GOING BACK TO THAT, TO THE ALTAR. 
          YES SIR. 
          WHAT IS THAT GONNA BE MADE OUT OF? WHAT MATERIAL ARE YOU GOING TO USE AND BEYOND, BEYOND THE ALTAR THAT YOU PUT A, UH, A UM, METAL GUARD ON THE WINDOW TO? ARE YOU TAKING THE SHUTTERS OUT, ARE YOU NO, THE WINDOWS STAY, ACTUALLY THAT'S, THAT'S AN, UH, AN AN 
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OLD, UH, A LITTLE BIT OLD, UH, RENDER, BUT THERE'S NO METAL. 
          THE WINDOW OF COURSE, STAYS AS IT IS. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUI UH, REQUISITIONS. 
          SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOW WILL BE COMPLETELY OPENED AND THE METAL THAT THE ALTER IS MADE OUT OF, UH, METAL STRUCTURE AND, UH, METAL SO THAT IT'S COMPLETELY, UH, SELF-SUPPORTED. 
          AND IS IT MOVABLE? YEAH. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT PERMANENT. 
          YOU'RE NOT, IT'S JUST LIKE A, A A BOX, METAL BOX YOU'RE GONNA PUT THERE, DECORATE IT, AND THEN YOU MOVE IT OUT AND AS CORRECT. 
          THAT'S NEEDED? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THEN THAT WINDOW DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY EGRESS OR INGRESS TO ANY, TO, TO, TO, TO THAT BUILDING THERE? NO, NOT AT ALL. 
          SO THEN THAT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE AN EMPTY SPACE BACK THERE? UH, ACTUALLY THAT WINDOW LEADS TO THE KITCHEN OF THE, OF THE SPACE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FIG TREE WAS, RIGHT? UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT FIG TREE WAS FAIRLY OLD. 
          UM, SO THIS GETTING REPLACED BY THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          MOTION PLEASE, MR. CHAIR. 
          I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE WITH STAFF. 
          UH, STIPULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SARAH. 
          SECOND? SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. 
          SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I, I DON'T THINK THE DESIGN OF THE MOTIF IS KEEPING WITH WHAT LATA IS. 
          RIGHT? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR LATA? SPANISH COLONIAL? WHAT IS THE, I'LL LOOK THE STAFF FOR THE, CORRECT ME ON THAT. 
          WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT SPANISH COLONIAL LATER THAN THAT? LIKE 19 MID 19TH CENTURY. 
          MID 19TH CENTURY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MOTIF ACTUALLY GOES IN LINE WITH IT. 
          UM, I THINK, LIKE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID, THAT SIGN, UH, IS A LITTLE OVERPOWERING. 
          THE SCALE OF THAT SIGN'S A LITTLE OVERPOWERING. 
          I THINK IT JUST DOMINATES TOO MUCH. 
          AND I THINK THIS, THE, THE ART KIND OF CENTERS ON WHAT, ONE NOVEMBER DIA DE LOS IS ONE NOVEMBER, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? SO THE MOTIF IS CARRYING OUT YEAR ROUND, AND I THINK IT KIND OF CLASHES WITH, WITH, WITH THE REST OF THE LOBBY TO MOTIF. 
          UM, SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE GET A DRC ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT IF MAYBE IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN ADD TO AN AMEND OR, YOU KNOW, AMENDED MOTION OR SOMETHING, OR AMENDMENT, I, I WOULD DO THAT. 
          BUT, UH, OR MAYBE MAKE A NEW MOTION. 
          BUT I, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF FLESH THIS OUT A LITTLE MORE TO DRC, JUST, JUST BASED ON IT CLASHING. 
          EVEN LIKE IN THE BACKSIDE OF IT, THE CHARLES, THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE OLD LAVATA RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING FAIRLY MODERN. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT, THAT YOU WANNA MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          ACTUALLY, MR. TRY WOOD. 
          I'D LIKE TO SUBSTITUTE A MOTION THAT SAYS WE, WE GET THIS OVER TO DRC. 
          WE GET SOME EYES ON IT, MAYBE PERHAPS EVEN A SITE VISIT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WORRY ABOUT THAT ALTER STUFF. 
          JUST GETTING THROWN BACK THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          PEOPLE CLIMBING BACK THERE, HIDING BACK THERE AT NIGHT. 
          I THINK THERE WAS A BREAK IN HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. 
          RIGHT? HEY, YOU GUYS HAD, THERE WAS A DOOR OPEN OR SOMETHING, UM, DURING CONSTRUCTION? YES. 
          YEAH, THERE WAS DURING, DURING CONSTRUCTION. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY PEOPLE FITS INSIDE THE ALTAR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE A DRC JUST KIND OF SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS MORE IN LINE WITH LATA. 
          YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE MOTIF YOU'RE GOING FOR, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK OVERALL THAT IT, I THINK IT JUST CLASHES A LITTLE TOO MUCH WITH, WITH THE REST OF IT. 
          YEAH, NO, AND, AND ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT IF, UM, HOLD ON ONE MOMENT. 
          SORRY. 
          PLEASE, SIR. 
          YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR A DR. 
          A MOTION TO DRC. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL RETRACT MY MOTION AND MAKE A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, GO AHEAD SIR. 
          YEAH, UH, ABOUT, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LATA. 
          IF YOU REALLY GO AROUND LE MOST OF THE STORES, OR MANY OF THEM HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE THE DEAD THINGS THAT THEY SELL YEAR ROUND. 
          UH, THERE'S, UH, KATRINA ON A BENCH. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, THE, A LOS MUTOS HAS BECOME MORE OF A THEME THAT HAS REALLY PROGRESSED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. 
          AND NOT ONLY FOR NOVEMBER THE FIRST AND SECOND, WHICH WOULD BE REALLY THE ORIGINAL TRADITION, BUT EVEN IN LATA, A LOT OF THE STORIES THAT YOU WILL SEE CARRY KATRINA AS YEAR ROUND. 
          YEAH, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT FOR SURE. 
          AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT LIKE THOSE STORES, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE PERMANENT FIXTURES OR IF THERE'S SIGNAGE ON THOSE STORES, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THE CITY NEEDS TO LOOK AT. 
          BUT YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT AND THAT, AND THAT'S GREAT. 
          I'M JUST KIND OF CONCERNED THAT IT'S GONNA BE PERMANENTLY MOUNTED. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A, A DOMINATING FEATURE IN THE LANDSCAPE HERE THAT MAYBE IT JUST DOESN'T FIT IN SO MUCH SO. 
          BUT WE 
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CAN TALK ABOUT IT. 
          DRC KIND OF WORKS. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, I'LL SUPPORT THIS MOTION, UH, AND I RECOMMEND THAT IT BE A SITE TO DRC. 
          I CAN AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE A SITE VISIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? SECOND CONCURS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          GALLOWAY? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          GUEVARA? AYE. 
          VASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          NAY. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER 11, I PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          HI, UM, MY NAME IS BENJAMIN ROSAS. 
          I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 2 0 2. 
          MARY LOUISE DRIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, I'M MR. ROSAS. 
          I'M JASON VASQUEZ, DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          YOU'RE IN MY HOME DISTRICT. 
          UM, AWESOME. 
          THANKS FOR COMING UP AND THANKS FOR DOING ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING TO THAT BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. 
          YOU'RE HELPING TO REALLY, UH, SPRUCE UP THAT CORNER, UH, WHICH NEEDS A LOT OF HELP. 
          UM, I JUST HAD SOME QUICK QUESTIONS. 
          UM, DID YOU CONSIDER PLACING THE PERGOLA ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE BACKYARD AREA? UM, JUST SOMEWHERE ELSE BESIDES RIGHT THERE ALONG THE, THE FENCE THAT RUNS ALONG. 
          IS IT SAN ANTONIO? MM-HMM. 
          , YES. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT, THAT DEFINITELY WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED. 
          UM, BUT GIVEN THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE HOUSE AND THE WAY THAT THE HOUSE REALLY WANTS TO LIVE, UM, FROM INSIDE TO OUTSIDE, WORKING FROM THE INTERNAL COURTYARD AND ITS ADJACENCY TO THE KITCHEN, KIND OF THE FLOW, THE NATURAL PROGRESSION OF CIRCULATION REALLY LENDS ITSELF WELL TO HAVING THE SHADE STRUCTURE, UM, LOCATED WHERE IT'S POSITIONED IN THE DRAWINGS, MOVING IT ELSEWHERE, UM, WOULD TEND TO, I THINK, UM, UH, LIMIT, UH, ABILITY OF USE FOR THAT STRUCTURE. 
          AND YOU'RE KEEPING ALL THE, UH, SCREENING, UH, LANDSCAPE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE FENCE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ABSOLUTELY, YES. 
          AND THEN DID YOU CONSIDER USE OF OTHER OF MATERIAL OTHER THAN METAL FOR THE POST OTHER PERGOLA? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, WE DEFINITELY CONSIDERED WOOD, UH, FOR THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, BUT GIVEN THE NATURE OF SORT OF THE MASSIVENESS, THE HEFTINESS OF THE STUCCO BEING THE, THE DOMINANT MATERIAL USED, UH, ON, ON THE, ON THE STRUCTURE, UM, WE FELT THAT A WOOD STRUCTURE WOULD, UM, IN SOME WAYS CLASH WITH ADDITIONAL HEAVINESS. 
          UM, AND WE FELT THAT THE LIGHTNESS, UH, THAT CAN BE PROVIDED OUT OF A STEEL STRUCTURE WOULD HELP KEEP PROFILES AND SIGHT LINES OF ANY MAJOR FRAMING ELEMENT TO A MINIMUM. 
          UM, WHICH WE FELT WOULD COMPLEMENT KIND OF THE MASSIVE HEAVINESS OF THE EXISTING STUCCO HOME. 
          UM, ANY WOOD STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE A MUCH DEEPER PROFILE AND HAVE MUCH STRONGER PROMINENCE, UM, ON THAT EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND WHAT IS THE, THE ROOF MATERIAL? WHAT IS IT MADE OF? SURE. 
          SO THE, WITH THE SUPPORTING STRUCTURE IS HOLLOW SECTION STEEL, AND THE, THE LATTICE IS GONNA BE COMPOSED OF, UH, PRIMARY PERLIN MEMBER OF AN INVERTED STEEL T SHAPE PROFILE. 
          UM, AND SPANNING BETWEEN THE TS WOULD BE, UM, LIKE A, A BAMBOO LATTICE WORK. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THOSE WERE THE QUESTIONS I HAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED IN PROPERLY. 
          SECOND, ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          CASTILLO. 
          AYE. 
          GALLOWAY? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          GUEVARA. 
          AYE. 
          VASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. 
          ITEM 
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12 HAS 
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BEEN POSTPONED. 
          UM, ITEM, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. 
          ITEM 12 HAS NOT BEEN POSTPONED. 
          UM, RETURNING CASES. 
          ITEM 12 PLEASE. 
          ITEM 12, ON THE HTRC AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 7 6 STREET, APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE ONE PY LASTER FROM THE FRONT PORCH. 
          TWO. 
          REPLACE THREE EXISTING CORINTHIAN COLUMNS WITH EIGHT INCH WIDE NON TAPERED FIBERGLASS COLUMNS WITHOUT CAPITALS, NO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO. 
          BASED ON FINDINGS C AND D, THE PY LASTER SHOULD BE RETURNED AND, AND REPAIRED OR REPLACED IN KIND TO MATCH THE EXISTING CORINTHIAN COLUMNS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COLUMNS BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SOLUTION TO COMPENSATE FOR THE ADDITIONAL FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE MODIFYING CAPITAL OR SHAFT OF THE EXISTING COLUMNS. 
          A NEW TALLER SHAFT THAT MATCHES IN PROFILE AND DIMENSIONS AND WITH A CORINTHIAN CAPITAL MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND I HAVE A CASE NOTE ALSO. 
          UM, ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2023, UH, STAFF OBSERVED REPLACEMENT OF THREE CORINTHIAN FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND ONE PY LASTER WITH WOOD POSTS. 
          UM, WE SPOKE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND NOTIFIED HER THAT THE WORK WAS COMPLETED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WE ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER. 
          UM, THE CRC HEARD THAT REQUEST ON JANUARY 17TH OF THIS YEAR, DENIED THE REQUEST AND RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANT SEEK OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR STAFF APPROVAL ON FEBRUARY 13TH. 
          STAFF OBSERVED REPLACEMENT OF THREE COLUMNS WITH THIN FIBERGLASS COLUMNS WITHOUT CAPITALS INSTALLED WITHOUT APPROVAL VIA CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WITH NO PY LASTER INSTALLED. 
          UH, WE ISSUED ANOTHER STOP WORK ORDER AND PROVIDED INSTRUCTIONS FOR COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, AND WE GOT AN APPLICATION ON FEBRUARY 16TH. 
          THE COLUMNS AND PY LASTERS WERE REMOVED ARE APPROXIMATELY 12 INCHES IN DIAMETER AND FEATURED CORINTHIAN CAPITALS. 
          UM, THERE WERE HISTORIC AGE AND LIKELY ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, VANESSA SHELTON, HERE IN PERSON. 
          UH, THERE'S ONE VOICEMAIL AND ONE LETTER ON FILE AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD? PLEASE, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. 
          GO AHEAD MA'AM. 
          HELLO, I'M VANESSA SHELTON, THE OWNER OF 8 25 BURLESON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD AND PRESENT YOUR CASE PLEASE. 
          YES, SO I WAS HERE IN JANUARY, UM, TRYING TO GET APPROVED, TRYING TO GET APPROVAL ON THE EXISTING, UM, COLUMNS THAT WERE THERE, WHICH WERE 12 INCH IN DIAMETER. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN WE RAISED THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOME, THE COLUMNS WERE JUST KIND OF SWINGING IN THE AIR. 
          AND ANYWAY, LONG STORY SHORT, I CAME WITH, UM, UM, A SOLUTION TO EXTEND THOSE ORIGINAL COLUMNS, BLOCK THEM ON THE BOTTOM, AND THEN USE WHATEVER EXTRA, UM, WOOD FROM THE PILE LESTER TO EXTEND THE FLUIDED PORTION. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS NOT ACCEPTED. 
          UM, AND THEN I NEVER HEARD BACK, UM, FROM STAFF REGARDING ANYTHING. 
          I NEVER HAVE RECEIVED ANY HELP FROM STAFF, SUGGESTIONS FROM STAFF, NEVER HEARD BACK FROM STAFF. 
          SO I DECIDED THAT THE, THE WAY THE MEETING WAS GOING LAST TIME, IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE, UM, OPEN TO A LONGER SHAFT COLUMN, WHICH IS WHAT'S INSTALLED NOW. 
          THIS IS A, AN 11 FOOT POLLUTED COLUMN. 
          UM, THAT IS MORE, UM, STRUCTURALLY, I MEAN MORE ARCHITECTURALLY ACCURATE FOR THIS PORCH. 
          UM, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE, UM, INCLUDING STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS THAT FELT THAT THOSE ORIGINAL, SO-CALLED ORIGINAL COLUMNS, UM, WERE NOT, UM, TO SCALE FOR THIS PORCH. 
          IN ADDITION, I HAVE, I'VE SENT ABOUT 25 OR 20 SO PICTURES TO STAFF OF OTHER HOMES IN DIGNA, WITTY HILL, LA VACA, KING WILLIAM. 
          UM, I CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH THE HOME IF IT'S EASIER. 
          THAT HOME AT THE TOP IS THE IDENTICAL HOME TO 8 25 BURLESON. 
          I'VE DISCOVERED AFTER MUCH RESEARCH THAT THIS IS A SEARS AND ROBUCK KIT. 
          IT'S NOT A QUEEN ANNE, AS STAFF SAID, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF A QUEEN ANNE. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE A WRAPAROUND PORCH. 
          MOST QUEEN ANNES ARE TWO AND THREE STORIES. 
          IF YOU KNOW THE PINK LADIES IN SAN FRANCISCO, THOSE ARE QUEEN 
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ANNES. 
          THIS IS MOST LIKELY A, A REPLICA OF A, UM, UH, VICTORIAN HOME. 
          UM, IT, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE BAY WINDOW. 
          THERE'S JUST SO MANY FEATURES THAT GO ALONG WITH THE QUEEN ANN THAT THIS HOME DOES NOT HAVE. 
          BUT, UM, MY POINT WITH THIS TOP, THIS TOP HOUSE IS IT'S IDENTICAL. 
          THERE ARE FOUR HOMES IN DIG HILL THAT ARE THE SAME STRUCTURE. 
          THE OTHER THREE HOMES I DID BRING UP IN THE LAST MEETING THAT NONE OF THEM HAVE THESE COLUMNS ON THERE. 
          THEY ALL HAVE CURRENTLY SIX BY SIX POSTS, WHICH HAS BECOME THE STANDARD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT THESE HOMES LOOKED LIKE BEFORE BECAUSE THERE'S NO, UM, EVIDENCE IN PICTURES. 
          IT ONLY GOES BACK TO ABOUT 1990 FOR THE PICTURES THAT WERE ABLE TO BE FOUND. 
          ACCORDING TO STAFF, ACCORDING TO MR. EDWARD HALL, THERE WAS NO PICTURES FOUND BEFORE 1990. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU WANNA SCROLL THROUGH THE PICTURES, UM, WHAT I INSTALLED IS, UM, SIMILAR IN SIZE AND DIAMETER TO MOST OF THE OTHER, UM, VICTORIAN STYLE HOMES IN, UM, ALL THREE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THIS IS ON BURLESON ITSELF. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT IT HAS APPROXIMATELY A SIX TO EIGHT INCH IN DIAMETER, UM, NON FLUTED COLUMN. 
          THIS IS ON PINE STREET. 
          NO, I'M SORRY, THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY IN LAVACCA. 
          UM, SAME THING. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT IT HAS A SMOOTH ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT INCH, UM, JUST PLAIN COLUMN, NO CAPITALS AT THE TOP, JUST CAPS. 
          ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS IN, UM, LA VACA. 
          THIS ONE DOES HAVE, UM, ROMAN CORINTHIAN CAPITALS SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ON THIS HOME. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCALE, THESE ROMAN CORINTH CAPITALS, THAT'S MOST LIKELY ACCURATE. 
          THE ROMAN CORINTHIAN CAPITALS THAT WERE ON 8 25 BURLESON WERE 22 BY 18. 
          THE ONLY, THE ONLY HOMES THAT HAVE THAT SIZE CAPITAL. 
          AND ALL OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT I WENT THROUGH AND I DROVE STREET BY STREET TAKING PICTURES. 
          THE ONLY HOMES WITH CAPITALS THAT BIG ARE TWO STORY STRUCTURES. 
          SO I THINK THOSE CAPITALS WERE JUST PUT ON THERE AT SOME TIME. 
          UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS KING WILLIAM, SAME THING. 
          IT'S GOT THE ROMAN CORINTHIAN. 
          THEY ARE IN SCALE WITH THE PORCH. 
          UM, KING WILLIAM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST REGULAR SIX INCH DIAMETER, UM, PO UH, COLUMNS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, KING WILLIAM AGAIN, SIX INCH, SIX TO EIGHT. 
          THIS IS PROBABLY EIGHT INCH DIAMETER. 
          SMOOTH COLUMNS. 
          SAME KING WILLIAM, SMOOTH COLUMNS. 
          KING WILLIAM. 
          NOW IF YOU'LL STOP AT THAT PICTURE, WHAT I SUGGESTED LAST TIME TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL, UH, FLUTED COLUMNS WAS TO BLOCK THE BOTTOM, JUST LIKE IN THIS PICTURE IN KING WILLIAM. 
          AND THAT WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT THAT IS NOT ARCHITECTURALLY CORRECT. 
          IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH KING WILLIAM, THERE'S SEVERAL HOMES WITH THE BLOCKED BOTTOMS. THAT IS WHAT, THAT'S THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, OR THE, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN THAT I BROUGHT WAS IDENTICAL TO THIS. 
          SO I WAS TOLD THAT WAS NOT A SOLUTION. 
          THEREFORE I JUST GOT THE COLUMNS THAT LOOK MUCH LIKE ALL THESE OTHER COLUMNS. 
          SO IF YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST GO THROUGH AND SEE. 
          THERE'S LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF HOUSES. 
          THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S BLOCKED AT THE BOTTOM. 
          THIS IS IN KING WILLIAM, BUT THERE'S HUNDREDS OF HOUSES THROUGHOUT THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SMALLER IN DIAMETER, UM, COLUMNS. 
          THIS HOUSE, I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY ON THE THING TODAY. 
          THIS JUST HAS SOME RANDOM BLOCK SIX BY SIX, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IN KING WILLIAM. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I WAS JUST SHOWING, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF THE DIFFERENT, THIS IS ONCE AGAIN ON BLOCKS IN KING WILLIAM. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF LAMAR AND, UM, WILLOW IN DIGNITY HILL. 
          IT'S GOT THE, YOU KNOW, THE THIN COLUMNS. 
          AND THEN ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE, UM, ROMAN CORINTHIAN CAPITALS ON ANOTHER HOME. 
          UM, IN, YOU KNOW, IN SCALE TO SCALE. 
          THIS HOUSE IS ON HERE BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT AN, UM, A QUEEN ANNE HOME LOOKS LIKE. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE TWO STORIES. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE, UM, ROUNDED PORCH, WRAPAROUND PORCH. 
          IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILING. 
          THIS ISN'T AN ACCURATE, UH, PICTURE OF A QUEEN ANNE. 
          UM, THIS IS ANOTHER HOME ON PINE IN DIGNITY HILL, ONCE AGAIN WITH ROMAN CORINTHIAN CAPITALS. 
          FLUTED COLUMNS, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ON BURLESON. 
          HOWEVER, 
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IT'S, THEY'RE SMALLER, MUCH, MUCH SMALLER. 
          UM, I MEAN, WE CAN GO ON FOREVER. 
          SAME THING. 
          SO THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE HOUSE I DRIVE THROUGH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS OBSESSIVELY. 
          THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE HOUSE IN DIGNITY HILL LA VACA OR KING WILLIAM THAT HAS THOSE ROMAN CORINTHIAN CAPITALS THAT SIZE ON A ONE STORY. 
          THERE'S NOT ONE. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE NOT ORIGINAL. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS OTHER PICTURES, BUT I, WHAT I SAID LAST TIME WAS WHAT'S COME TO BE STANDARD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I THINK ALL OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IS THAT ONCE THESE, UM, COLUMNS, THESE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES START TO DETERIORATE, WHAT GETS APPROVED IS A SIX BY SIX BLOCKED POST. 
          AND IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU SEE EVERYWHERE. 
          I DIDN'T REALLY WANNA DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S VERY COMMON. 
          I DO THINK IT'S SPECIAL TO HAVE FLUTED COLUMNS ON THE HOUSE. 
          I DO THINK THAT ARCHITECTURALLY IT JUST LOOKS NICER. 
          OBVIOUSLY I'M IN REAL ESTATE, SO I WANT SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT. 
          THAT'S WHY I WENT WITH THE FLUTED. 
          UM, VERSUS THE SIX BY SIX POSTS, THOSE OTHER THREE HOUSES THAT ARE IDENTICAL HAVE THE SIX BY SIX POSTS. 
          UM, SO THE HOUSE STILL LOOKS, CAN YOU SHOW THE, THE CURRENT PICTURE OF THE HOUSE? THE HOUSE LOOKS AMAZING. 
          UM, IT'S HARD TO TELL THAT THESE ARE, UH, FLUIDED COLUMNS FROM HERE, BUT IF YOU PAN IN A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN SEE I'VE CAPPED OFF. 
          THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY INSTALLED, BUT THE BOTTOM CAP'S GONNA BE THE SAME. 
          THAT'S ON THE, ON THE TOP. 
          THESE ARE TO SCALE. 
          UM, ALSO SOMETHING ELSE THAT I LEARNED ABOUT ARCHITECTURE IS THE COLUMN SHOULD ACTUALLY BE THE SAME DIAMETER AS THE SUPPORT BEAM. 
          AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WAS NOT GOING ON WITH THOSE HUGE COLUMNS THAT WERE ON THERE PRIOR. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY VOICEMAILS FIRST WE HAVE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS, UM, MICHAEL LEARY. 
          SORRY, I PROBABLY DIDN'T SAY THAT RIGHT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS MICHAEL LEAHY. 
          I DID THE INITIAL INSPECTION ON THE PROPERTY AND, UH, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED SHE DID TAKE THIS PROJECT ON BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY A TEAR DOWN IN MY OPINION. 
          BUT SHE'S DONE A, A GREAT JOB AND THE COLUMNS THAT SHE CHOSE TO USE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE AND I, I THINK THEY LOOK FINE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF THE, THE PROPERTY. 
          I, YEAH. 
          'CAUSE YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU SHOULD SEE THE HOME BEFORE SHE STARTED THIS PROJECT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ONCE THE FOUNDATION WAS ALREADY ABANDONED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I SUPPORT WHAT SHE'S DOING. 
          IT LOOKS, LOOKS FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          SHOULD I CALL HER NEXT SPEAKER? THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          LIZ FRANKLIN, ARE WE ABLE TO HAVE THE VIDEO FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNERS THAT I SENT YOU? THE EMAIL? I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE CHAIR. 
          LET THIS OTHER PERSON SPEAK FIRST, THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LIZ FRANKLIN, FIVE 15 HAY STREET, UH, RESIDENT AND, UH, 12 YEARS IN DIGNITY HILL. 
          UH, WITH MY OWN HISTORIC PROBLEM. 
          YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY HANDSOME AND GOOD LOOKING, ESPECIALLY SINCE I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN ABOUT FOUR YEARS. 
          I'M GONNA MAKE THIS KIND OF QUICK. 
          UM, I DID MORE HOMEWORK ON, ON A HISTORIC HOME THAN I WANTED TO. 
          AGAIN, FOUR YEARS AGO I WAS HERE ALL THE TIME. 
          ALL THE TIME. 
          ANYTHING THAT WENT UP, ANYTHING THAT WENT INTO DIGNITY HILL, WE ALL KNEW ABOUT IT. 
          THOSE OF US THAT WERE INTERESTED, UM, LONG TIME SUPPORTER AND ADVOCATE FOR MONICA SAVINO, WHO CARRIED THAT TORCH WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY. 
          SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HOUSE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THOSE CAPITALS, I HATE THOSE KIND OF CAPITALS, BUT THAT'S PERSONAL. 
          THOSE CAPITOLS ARE LIKE A SMALL COUCH. 
          THEY'RE HUGE. 
          I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN I HAVE A LARGE PORCH MYSELF, THAT THEY WOULD BE FIT UP THERE BECAUSE I DROVE UP AND DOWN THAT STREET ALL THE TIME. 
          YOU COULDN'T SEE IT FROM ONE UGLY HOUSE TO THE NEXT. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I SAW ON THURSDAY WHEN I WENT BY? EVEN PEOPLE THAT DON'T DO ANYTHING TO THEIR PROPERTY, WERE OUT THERE DOING SOMETHING. 
          ALL IT TAKES, AND YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, 
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I THINK YOU GUYS GIRLS, ALL IT TAKES IS ONE PERSON TO CARE AND IT STARTS THE MOMENTUM. 
          I CARE MORE ABOUT THAT FOR VANESSA. 
          SHE'S BEEN HERE THREE YEARS, OKAY? SHE'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, NOT EVEN GETTING ADVANTAGE OF THE ARC OPINION. 
          COME ON NOW. 
          IF SHE WAS HERE JUST TO MAKE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE AND ARBITRARILY GET A STOP WORK ORDER BECAUSE THE ROOF WAS GONNA FALL, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD REASON TO HAVE ONE. 
          AND ANYBODY WITH COMMON SENSE PROBABLY WOULD'VE DONE THE SAME THING. 
          PUT THE POST UP TO KEEP IT FROM FALLING. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION MORE TO THE PEOPLE ASPECT OF THIS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, LET'S FORGET ABOUT THE ARTIFICIAL TURF. 
          I MEAN, HELL, ELLA OLSTON IS USING ARTIFICIAL TURF AND THAT'S A 23 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS CITY PROJECT. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY BECAUSE NOBODY GAVE ME EXTRA TIME. 
          BUT I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND LET'S LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSON. 
          THANK YOU D SMITH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I CAN'T TALK THAT LOUD. 
          . 
          HI, I'M D SMITH. 
          I LIVE IN DIGNITY HILL. 
          AND UM, NEXT TO MY HOUSE I HAVE ONE HOUSE ON SIX BY SIX POSTS. 
          POSTS TWO HOUSES DOWN, SIX BY SIX POSTS AND THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK AS GOOD AS THIS. 
          UM, I SAW HER PILLARS WHEN THEY WERE RAISING THE HOUSE TO LEVEL IT. 
          I SAW THOSE PILLARS, PILLARS DANGLING AND I'M SURE SHE WOULD'VE KEPT THEM IF THE WORKERS HADN'T BROKEN THEM. 
          OKAY? SO BY THEM BREAKING THEM, OF COURSE SHE'S ALREADY PUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INTO THE HOUSE. 
          THEY BROKE THE PILLARS, SHE WASN'T GIVEN A GOOD SOLUTION. 
          I SAW THOSE PILLARS IN THERE, CRUMBLY. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN REPAIR 'EM AND PUT CAPITALS BACK ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, I, I KNOW THOSE AREN'T THE ORIGINAL ONES. 
          THEY'RE TOO BIG FOR THAT HOUSE. 
          UM, IT'S JUST COST TOO. 
          COST PROHIBIT PROHIBITED FOR HER TO GO OUT AND TRY TO REPLICATE THOSE. 
          AND I, I DON'T THINK SHE COULD FIND ANYONE TO DO IT. 
          UM, AND I JUST THINK THAT H-H-O-H-P NEEDS TO WORK BETTER WITH HER TO GIVE HER A SOLUTION AND NOT JUST THROW OUT THERE TO THE WOLVES AND SAY, HEY, WHATEVER IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, WHO YOU ALREADY PUT 50, 60,000 INTO IT. 
          AND THEN TRYING TO REPLICATE THOSE PILLARS WHERE NO ONE AROUND HERE CAN DO. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER 20,000, 30,000. 
          WHO KNOWS? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VOICEMAIL, COME UM, VOICEMAIL PLEASE. 
          ONE MOMENT PLEASE. 
          MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS AND I'M CALLING IN TO COMMENT ON 8 25 BUR BURLESON STREET, HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 7 6. 
          ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNITY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AT THE JANUARY 17TH HDRC MEETING, THE APPLICANT EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE STABILITY OF THE CAPITALS AND BEING SUITED. 
          THEY WERE TO FALL OFF AFTER THEY WERE PUT BACK UP NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE TO REPAIR THE CAPITALS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND A COMPANY THAT COULD BUILD A NEW CAPITAL. 
          SHE ALSO STATED THAT THE COLUMNS WERE SALVAGEABLE AND COULD STILL BE USED. 
          I SHARED WITH THE APPLICANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION OF A CONTRACTOR IN SAN ANTONIO WHO SPECIALIZES IN REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF BOTH HISTORICAL COLUMNS AND CAPITALS AND SOMEONE I'VE ACTUALLY USED IN THE PAST FROM MY PROJECTS. 
          I FOLLOWED UP WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO SEE IF HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT HER PROJECT. 
          HE TOLD ME HE HAD AND THAT SHE SHARED THE SAME CONCERNS WITH HIM THAT I JUST MENTIONED. 
          HE ADVISED THAT EVEN THOUGH THE HORSE HAIR CAPITALS WERE A LITTLE BEAT UP, THEY COULD BE REPAIRED AND ONCE PAINTED THEY WOULD LOOK GOOD AS NEW. 
          HE STATED HE COULD DIRECT HER TO SEVERAL COMPANIES THAT COULD BUILD A NEW CAPITAL AND THAT EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THE OTHER TWO, IT WOULD BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THEIR ORIGINAL DESIGN AND THE OVERALL EFFECT WOULD BE CORRECT. 
          HE FILTERED CONCERNS ABOUT THE CAPITALS FALLING OFF. 
          THE COLUMNS WERE UNWARRANTED BECAUSE AS LONG AS THEY WERE SECURED TO BOTH THE COLUMNS AND THE PORT CEILING CORRECTLY, THEY WOULDN'T FALL OFF. 
          WE HOPE THE APPLICANT REACHES BACK OUT TO THIS CONTRACTOR TO USE HIS SERVICES TO KEEP HER HOUSE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. 
          IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO LOSE THOSE IMPORTANT BEAUTIFUL COLUMNS AND CAPITALS THAT WERE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. 
          I CAN ALSO PROVIDE THIS CONTRACTOR'S CONTACT INFORMATION TO THE OHP TO BE ADDED AS A SOURCE. 
          OTHER APPLICANTS CAN BE REFERRED TO WHENEVER THEY NEED TO HAVE COLUMNS OR CAPITALS REPAIRED OR REPLACED. 
          FOR THESE REASONS WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAY ON IT, STAY THERE FOR VOICEMAILS. 
          OKAY, SO BEFORE UM, WE ROLL ON THE VIDEO, UM, DID YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE, UM, THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO YOUR, UM, PEOPLE THAT CAME TO SUPPORT 
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YOU? I MEAN, UM, YOU MEAN AS FAR AS LULU FRANCOIS I SPOKE TO, SHE DID RECOMMEND A CONTRACTOR. 
          I SPOKE TO HIM TODAY. 
          UM, HE DID THINK THAT THE CAPITALS COULD BE REPAIRED, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE I SAID, THE LAST MEETING IS THE LIABILITY FALLS ON ME AND MY PARTNER. 
          SO HE DID MENTION YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, GO IN AND SHORE THEM UP IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU KNOW, MAKE 'EM WORK SOMEHOW. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVEN IF WE PUT THOSE TWO AND REPAIRED THEM, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE MATCHING ONE AND A HALF. 
          IT'S GONNA LOOK VERY HODGEPODGE. 
          AND SECONDLY, I HAVE FIGURED OUT, 'CAUSE I'VE SPENT COUNTLESS NIGHTS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THOSE HUGE CAPITALS WERE ON THERE, BUT I THINK THE REASON WHY THEY WERE DETERIORATED WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE SO BIG AND WATER WAS GETTING IN THEM FOR ALL THOSE YEARS. 
          SO, UM, TO REPAIR SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS HISTORIC WITH ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SIZE, I THINK IS, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. 
          UM, AND IT IS COST PROHIBITIVE. 
          AND UM, DEE MENTIONED 40 OR $60,000 WE'RE ACTUALLY OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON THIS PROJECT ALREADY. 
          WE HAD AN ORIGINAL $70,000 BUDGET AND WE'RE MORE THAN 30,000 OVER BUDGET. 
          SO, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FLIPPERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, NONE OF THEM, NONE OF THE HOUSES LOOK LIKE MY HOUSE. 
          NONE OF THEM SAVED THE ORIGINAL MOLDINGS TRIM. 
          EVERYTHING THAT WE OPENED UP AND TOOK OUT, I SAVED AND WE PUT BACK ON THE HOUSE. 
          THIS HOUSE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE IT DID IN 1901. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, I REALLY DO CARE. 
          I'M REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. 
          I'M NOT JUST IN HERE FOR A BUCK. 
          UM, I'M IN HERE TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY BEAUTIFUL, REMAIN BEAUTIFUL. 
          SO I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT IT WAS THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, WHEN I WANTED TO, UM, SAVE A LITTLE BIT BY CHANGING FROM THE METAL ROOF TO THE COMPOSITION, IT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE KEPT, WE KEEP METAL ON THE PORCH AND UNDER THE, UM, THE, THE FLAT PORTION OF UNDER THE GABLE AND WHICH WE DID FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          IN ADDITION, AS A REALTOR IN SELLING LOTS OF HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WERE ORIGINALLY GONNA PUT STUCCO AS THE SKIRTING AND STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT WE PUT WATERFALL SIDING, WHICH IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH DIGNITY HILL, YOU CAN COUNT ON TWO HANDS. 
          HOW MANY HOUSES HAVE WATERFALL SIDING ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          THAT WAS ANOTHER HUGE EXPENSE THAT WE WENT AND DID ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT KNOWN THAT I'M NOT HERE TO BE DEFIANT. 
          UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS JUST NOT ABLE TO BE DONE WITH WHAT WAS THERE. 
          UM, AND READING ON, YOU KNOW, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, IF THINGS ARE DETERIORATED, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REPLACE THEM WITH THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME OR SIMILAR ARCHITECTURALLY FOR THAT STYLE OF HOME. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE SHOWN. 
          I ALSO HAVE, UM, VIDEO FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNERS. 
          THEY HAPPENED TO COME BY YESTERDAY AND I ASKED THEM TO, TO MAKE A COUPLE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE HOUSE. 
          THEY OWNED THE HOUSE FOR 50 YEARS. 
          HOW LONG IS THE VIDEO? THERE'RE A COUPLE MINUTES EACH. 
          OKAY. 
          TWO, YOU GO AHEAD AND PLAY THE VIDEOS PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M HERE WITH PERFECTO AND YOLANDA VASQUEZ. 
          THEY'RE THE ORIGINAL OWNERS OF 8 25 BURLESON AND THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 19 74, 50 YEARS AGO. 
          HI, I'M YOLANDA. 
          WE'RE THE OWNERS OF THIS HOUSE AND NOW THAT THEY REMODEL IT, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          I KNOW WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE PROBLEMS WITH THE COLUMNS. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN LIVING AT THIS ADDRESS FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS AND IT HAPPENED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO WITH THE WEATHER, THE RAIN AND THE WIND JUST BLEW IT OFF INTO PIECES. 
          AND THEN WE HAD THE OTHER ONES AND WE COULDN'T FIX 'EM BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX IT. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE WE COULD SEND IT OR ANYTHING. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT SHE'S DOING WITH IT, IT UP TO THE STANDARDS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ARE HERE NOW AT THE OLD SCHOOL HOUSE, 8 25 ESON. 
          THIS IS WHERE I GREW UP. 
          MY DAUGHTER'S 10 YEARS OLD. 
          I GREW UP HERE AT THIS AGE, AND THE WHOLE PLACE LOOKS SO DIFFERENT. 
          BEAUTIFUL. 
          IT HAS ALL THE ACCENTS OF THE OLD FASHIONED HOUSE AND SHE HAS DONE, THE HOME BUYER HAS 
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DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOVEMENT AND I CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW EVERYTHING LOOKS SO PERFECT. 
          AND I DO REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE EVERYTHING. 
          IT'S SO AWESOME AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHEN I COME INTO THIS HOUSE, I'M LIKE, I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS OLD HOUSE WHERE I GREW UP WHEN I WAS 10 YEARS OLD, LIKE MY DAUGHTER'S AGE AND NOW I'M 40. 
          IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT VIEW AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD WORK. 
          AWESOME, THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER EVIDENCE YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE? NO, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR CASE, I, UM, I HAD A COUPLE, COUPLE OBSERVATIONS HERE. 
          UM, ONE YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD NEVER HEARD BACK FROM STAFF. 
          SO STAFF WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED THERE? I HAVE EMAILS POST LAST HDRC WITH THE FINDING BOTH FOR THE ROOF THAT SHE MENTIONED AND THAT ALSO INCLUDED, UM, HDR C'S SUPPORTIVE STAFF'S FINDING WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, AND I'LL ALSO STATE THAT, UM, I TALKED TO HER ON SITE, THE OPTION WITH THE, THE BLOCKS AND IF, IF SHE WANTED TO CREATE SOME KIND OF BOX SYSTEM TO SET THE HISTORIC COLUMNS ON TOP OF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          AND I DID DISCUSS THAT WITH HER ON SITE THE DAY OF THE VIOLATION. 
          BUT YES, I DO HAVE, I HAVE THE EMAILS AND I'M GLAD TO REFORWARD THEM. 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BLOCK THAT THE PLAN THAT I PRESENTED IN JANUARY, I NEVER RECEIVED PLANS THAT INCLUDED BLOCKS. 
          THE ONLY PLANS THAT I RECEIVED WERE THE ONES THAT WERE FOR, UM, CUTTING THE PY LASTER AND ADDING THEM TO THE FRONT COLUMNS. 
          STAFF NEVER RECEIVED ONE THAT INCLUDED THE BLOCK BASES. 
          YES, THAT WAS THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN THAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER DREW THAT I WAS TOLD WAS NOT, UM, TO SCALE. 
          THAT'S PART OF THE FILE FROM LAST TIME. 
          I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY ALL REMEMBER. 
          'CAUSE MR. VELA, IS IT MR. VELASQUEZ IS THE OTHER COMMISSIONER THAT SITS IN HERE NORMALLY, HE'S THE ONE THAT SAID IT WAS NOT PROPER TO BLOCK THE BOTTOM AND HAVE A ROUND COLUMN. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THAT, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE DRAWING THAT I SUBMITTED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND UM, ANOTHER STATEMENT THAT YOU HAD MADE WAS THAT THE, UM, YOU HAD TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE AND MENTIONED, AND YOU JUST SAID JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO THAT THE, UM, IT WAS NOT THE SCALE. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THE INDIVIDUALS OR THE PEOPLE OR THE COMPANIES THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING WITH, UM, DID YOU CLARIFY THOSE STATEMENTS OR THINGS OF NATURE WITH OHP SINCE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH THE THE GUIDING FORCE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THIS? I HAVEN'T HAD SUPPORT FROM JESSICA ANDERSON AT ALL. 
          UM, SHE SNAPPED AT ME AND MY PARTNER AND HUNG UP US HUNG UP ON US AT THE, ON THE PHONE. 
          WE DID THEN REACHED OUT TO EDWARD HALL AND HAVE BEEN INCLUDING HIM IN ALL CORRESPONDENCE BECAUSE SHE JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS SU STAFF IS SUPPOSED TO BE SUPPORTIVE AND NOT THE POLICE, WHICH IS WHAT SHE'S, YOU KNOW, TREATED US LIKE SHE'S THE POLICE. 
          AND EDWARD HALL TOLD US COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, LIKE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HELPFUL AND SUPPORTIVE. 
          SO NO, I DIDN'T, I HAVEN'T HAD THAT TYPE OF A RELATIONSHIP. 
          UM, AND I'M NEW TO ALL OF THIS AS FAR AS WHAT I WAS NOT AWARE WHAT STAFF WAS SUPPOSED TO DO UNTIL EDWARD HALL TOLD ME THAT. 
          SO AS FAR AS SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE REGARDING THE SCALE, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, TWO WERE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. 
          UM, ONE WAS A MECHANICAL ENGINEER, ONE IS THE MAN OVER AT UM, ROBERT BARRETT AT ARCHITECTS ON HILD OR ANTIQUES ON HILDEBRAND. 
          AND JUST ABOUT ANYBODY YOU SHOW THAT TO, MY FATHER HAPPENS TO BE AN ENGINEER. 
          AND I SHOWED HIM AND I SAID, DAD, JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PICTURE AND THIS PICTURE. 
          AND HE BROUGHT IT UP. 
          IT'S OFF SCALE. 
          THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS, THIS SIZE. 
          UM, THEN I READ, AND WHAT I SAID EARLIER, THE, THE SHAFT OF THE, THE COLUMN SHOULD BE EQUAL TO THE SUPPORT BEAM. 
          THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW IF IT'S ARCH, ARCHITECTURALLY PROPER FOR THAT HOUSE. 
          AND CLEARLY THE SHAFT WAS MUCH LARGER THAN THE BEAM. 
          I JUST WANNA KNOW REALLY QUICKLY, I'M SORRY, I BROUGHT UP THE PLANTS. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY GO AHEAD. 
          I LET YOU ADDRESS, GO AHEAD. 
          THIS IS THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED LAST TIME. 
          SO YES, IT DOES INCLUDE A BLOCK, BUT THE BULK OF THE LENGTH OF THE COLUMN IS NOTED AS BEING COMPENSATED FOR THROUGH THE PY LASTER, THE SORT OF DECONSTRUCTION OF THE PY LASTER. 
          SO THERE WAS A BLOCK AT THE BOTTOM, BUT THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE ORIGINAL COLUMN IS ALSO MODIFIED AND THERE'S NO CORINTHIAN CAPITAL. 
          THAT'S 
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WHY STAFF SAID IT WASN'T ELIGIBLE FOR STAFF APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE APPLICANT MENTIONED ABOUT CONTACT FROM YOU OR I? NO, THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, WE HAD WHAT WE BELIEVE WERE THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WERE REMOVED. 
          THERE WAS PLENTY OF COMMUNICATION ABOUT HOW THAT REQUIRES APPROVAL BY THIS COMMISSION AND HOW WORK SHOULD STOP. 
          AND ULTIMATELY WE HAVE A NOW NEW SOLUTION AND THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS HAVE BEEN REMOVED. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S HERE JUST AS CLARIFICATION THAT THIS IS HOW THE APPLICANT HAS RECEIVED THE PREVIOUS FEEDBACK FROM THIS BOARD AND WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          HOWEVER, WE DO NOT BELIEVE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF OR THE COMMISSION. 
          AND SO THEREFORE YOU ALL NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON WHAT'S PROPOSED. 
          UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION JUST SO IF YOU GO, CAN YOU BRING UP THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE WITH THE CORINTHIAN CAPITALS ON IT? AND THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS THAT, IS THAT FAR? I CAN'T SEE IT TOO WELL, BUT THAT FAR RIGHT COLUMN, DOES THAT HAVE A CORINTHIAN CAPITAL ON IT? NO. 
          SO IT FELL OFF ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO AS DID THE HALF, UM, CORINTHIAN COLUMN ON THE PY LASTER. 
          THAT'S YES. 
          AS SO BOTH OF THOSE, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE OCTOBER 31ST, NEITHER ONE OF THOSE WERE THERE. 
          AND THE REASON IT FELL OFF, I THINK NOW AFTER MUCH RESEARCH IS BECAUSE THEY WERE SO BIG THAT WATER WAS GETTING INTO IT AND ROTTING THEM OUT. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE STILL UP THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE THE RIGHT SIZE FOR THE PORCHES. 
          AND THEN MY MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR STAFF, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU AWARE STAFF, ANYBODY ON STAFF OF, OF ANY OTHER HOUSES THAT HAVE OVERSIZED COLUMNS LIKE THAT? I CAN'T BRING UP SPECIFIC ADDRESSES, BUT IT'S VERY COMMON FOR THIS STYLE OF HOUSE. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO, WE LOOK AT SITES BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT IS THERE. 
          THESE COLUMNS WERE OF HISTORIC CONSTRUCTION, THE CAPITALS WERE OF HISTORIC CONSTRUCTION AND IT'S WHAT WAS ON SITE. 
          UM, SO WE DO BELIEVE THESE ARE HISTORIC, IF NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. 
          BUT YES, THIS SIZE OF COLUMN WITH THIS TYPE OF QUEEN END STRUCTURE IS VERY COMMON. 
          THE DIAMETER IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T SHOW ANY EXAMPLE, SIR, CAN YOU COME UP ? YOU'D LIKE TO, SHE'S DONE RESEARCH ON EVERY HOUSE. 
          SIR, BEFORE YOU SPEAK, JUST COME TO THE MIC PLEASE. 
          I'LL QUICK. 
          SHE, MY NAME IS KEITH MORGAN. 
          I'M A HALF OWNER OF THIS HOUSE. 
          I JUST DIDN'T WANNA SPEAK BECAUSE I JUST THINK THIS I'D GO CRAZY. 
          SHE HAS DONE SO MUCH RESEARCH, SHE HAS SHOWN SO MUCH RESEARCH AND IF SHE CAN SHOW YOU ALL THE HOMES THAT DON'T HAVE IT, SHOW ONE HOME THAT DOES SH I ASSUME I THAT'S NOT PROOF. 
          SHOW ME THE PROOF. 
          SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SIR. 
          YES. 
          UM, IT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR THE, THE AR UM, THE OWNERS, THE ORIGINAL OWNERS. 
          AND DO I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE 50 YEARS AGO AND THAT THE COLUMNS AND CAPITAL CORINTHIAN COLUMNS WERE ON THE HOUSE AT THAT TIME? YES. 
          IN 1974 THEY WERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S BEING DEBATED WHETHER THEY'RE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE OR NOT, BUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAD BEEN ON THERE FOR 50 YEARS, THEY'VE, UM, REACHED THEIR OWN HISTORIC, UH, SIGNIFICANCE TO THE HOUSE. 
          SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE STAFF HAS THIS, RIGHT? THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN, THEY SHOULD BE RESTORED AND, AND RECREATED. 
          WELL, THE HOUSE IS, UM, ABOUT 120 YEARS OLD. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL. 
          THEY MAY BE HISTORIC BECAUSE THEY'RE 50 YEARS OLD. 
          I MEAN, I HOPE NOT. 
          I'M OVER 50. 
          I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF HISTORIC, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN SPECULATE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE CAN ALL HAVE AN OPINION BASED ON WHAT WE SEE, BUT TO NOT BE ABLE TO, TO SHOW ANY EVIDENCE, I THINK IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          THERE'S NO PICTURE EVIDENCE. 
          AND IN ADDITION, THERE'S NO OTHER HOMES. 
          I'VE DRIVEN UP AND DOWN ALL OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, ALL OF THESE STREETS. 
          THERE'S NO OTHER HOMES. 
          WELL, THE, THE PICTURE EVIDENCE IS, UH, THE HOUSE THERE WITH THE CORINTHIAN COLUMNS THAT, THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS FROM 1974. 
          RIGHT? BUT THE HOUSE IS LIKE 1901, RIGHT? BUT 50 YEARS, I MEAN, LANDMARK STATUS CAN BE, UH, GRANTED BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IF THE, IF THE PROPERTY IS 25 YEARS OLD. 
          SO THERE IS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THAT ELEMENT OF THE HOUSE, WHETHER IT'S ORIGINAL OR NOT CAN BE DEBATED. 
          BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN THERE FOR AT LEAST 50 YEARS, UH, I THINK IT HAS SOME, UH, HISTORIC VALUE TO THE HOUSE. 
          AND, UM, 
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I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. 
          I'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS ONCE WE GET TO A MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CUT THE QUESTIONS ACTUALLY NOT A QUESTION, A COMMENT, A STATEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL WAIT FOR A MOTION FOR THAT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          MAKE THE MOTION PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST TO GET THE COIN ON DISCUSSION. 
          UM, I MOVE THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT'S EXISTING COLUMNS BE APPROVED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT A CORINTHIAN CAPITAL, DECORATIVE CORINTHIAN CAPITAL BE ADDED TO THE, UH, EXISTING COLUMNS. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? MOTION DOES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. 
          CAN I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIR, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. 
          IS ARE WE IN THAT YET? YOU CAN GO AHEAD, ASK YOUR QUESTION. 
          GO AHEAD MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, SO WELL ONCE A STATEMENT. 
          UH, YOU KEEP MENTIONING THAT THERE'S NO OTHER HOMES LIKE THIS. 
          THAT'S THE POINT OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          EVERY HOME IS DIFFERENT. 
          YOU KEEP MENTIONING KING WILLIAM, YOU KEEP MENTIONING LA VACA AND YOUR INDIGNITY HILL. 
          EVERY HOME IS DIFFERENT. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S THE BEAUTY OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UH, JUST DON'T COMPARE 'EM TO THAT. 
          MAY I REPLY? GO AHEAD. 
          IN DIGNITY HILL, THERE'S FOUR IDENTICAL TO THIS HOUSE. 
          THESE ARE KIT HOMES, THESE ARE SEARS AND ROBUCK KITS. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT ALL DIFFERENT. 
          AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, NONE OF THOSE HAVE THESE HUGE COLUMNS, UH, COLUMNS IN CAPITALS. 
          THE HOUSE THAT SHE MENTIONS IS ACTUALLY UNDERGOING REVIEW IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH OHP AND THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS SECURING COLUMNS. 
          WE HAVE, UM, AN HISTORIC PHOTO. 
          I DON'T HAVE IT IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE THAT SHOWS THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS FOR THAT STRUCTURE, WHICH ARE NOT, THESE PEERS ARE TEMPORARY. 
          THEY'RE NOT APPROVED BY STAFF FOR PERMANENT INSTALLATION. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT SIZE THE COLUMNS IN CORINTHIAN CAPITALS ARE? I WOULD NEED TO CHECK, BUT I'M GLAD TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU WHEN I GET BACK TO MY DESK. 
          THANK. 
          NO. 
          AND THEN, UM, I, I WAS DOING MY HOMEWORK LAST NIGHT STUDYING THIS CASE. 
          YOU WERE HERE IN BEGINNING OF JANUARY, JANUARY 17TH. 
          WHY DIDN'T YOU COMPLY WITH WHAT THIS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED? LIKE I SAID, I DID NOT HEAR BACK ON A, ON A SOLUTION, ON A RESOLUTION. 
          UM, AT THE END OF THAT MEETING, IT WAS MY THOUGHT THAT WE HAD KIND OF GOTTEN OFF THE TOPIC OF THE ROMAN CORINTHIAN CAPITAL DUE TO THE FACT THAT I'M NOT GONNA TAKE THE LIABILITY. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST GONNA SAY IT, I'M NOT PUTTING THEM BACK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          THEY AREILA, I, I WENT TO PICK ONE UP THE OTHER DAY AND IT FELL OFF IN MY HAND. 
          AND EVEN IF I WERE TO SOMEHOW SECURE THAT THOSE CALL THOSE TWO, THERE'S ONLY TWO. 
          SO THAT MEANS I HAVE TO GET A THIRD AND A HALF MADE AND EXTEND. 
          THE THINGS WERE ALREADY OVER BUDGET ON THIS PROJECT AT ONE POINT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER HAS TO SPARE NO EXPENSE TO PUT THAT BACK. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARASSING WHEN WE SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, OBVIOUSLY. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, BUT PART MY HOMEWORK LAST NIGHT INCLUDED LOOKING ONLINE. 
          SO ONLINE, IF YOU GO LOOKING FOR THIS EXACT COLUMN, YOU CAN FIND ONE FOR TWO 50, $300. 
          THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          IT IS TRUE. 
          I LOOKED LAST NIGHT. 
          WILL YOU SHOW IT TO ME? BECAUSE IS IT A, IS IT THE, THE HEIGHT? SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE SHAFT. 
          MOST OF THOSE COLUMNS. 
          I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR MONTHS. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CAPITALS. 
          OKAY. 
          IS IT 22 BY 18? I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT. 
          YEAH, IT'S NOT, TRUST ME, IT'S NOT, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION LAST TIME WITH CHAIR, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN GIBBS BROUGHT UP THE SAME THING AT THIS MEETING AND HE FOUND IT ONLINE AS WE WERE SPEAKING, AND THEY'RE MUCH SMALLER NOW. 
          CAN YOU FIND ONE, GET ONE CUSTOM MADE FOR THE RIGHT SIZE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT'S ABOUT $1,500 EACH. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST MEETING AS WELL. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER $5,000 TO REPLICATE THESE REPLICATE, WHICH IS NOT HISTORIC, UM, OUT OF FIBERGLASS OR, OR PLASTER. 
          SO YES, IT CAN BE DONE WITH ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          MONEY, YOU'RE KIND, I'M SORRY. 
          YOU'RE REPLACING IN KIND, YOU'RE REPLICATING WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE BECAUSE THESE MOLES ARE NOT MADE. 
          THEY DON'T MAKE THESE LIKE THE FACTORIES CLOSE. 
          IT TAKES 
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THOUSANDS OF HOURS TO MAKE IT. 
          YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE THE MOLE. 
          AND IT'S LITERALLY, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THE VIDEO LAST TIME FROM ROBERT BARRETT BECAUSE HE EXPLAINED THE WHOLE PROCESS TO ME. 
          NO ONE'S MAKING THESE. 
          SO IF I DID BUY SOMETHING ONLINE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE SAME. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO BRING IT UP FROM THE DEAD. 
          WE'RE ASKING YOU TO REPLICATE IT FOR NO, MA. 
          SO IT DOESN'T MATTER THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT COSTS. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I MEAN, I'M OPEN FOR A GRANT TO DO IT. 
          SO LET ME, I INTERRUPT. 
          UM, SO THE THING IS, WHEN OUR PURVIEW HERE IS TO FOLLOW, UM, WHAT THE UDC SAYS ALONG WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          NOW, WHEN THE, THE HOME THAT YOU PURCHASED, UM, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THOSE HOMES COME ALONG WITH, WITH CERTAIN GUIDELINES. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW HERE TO SAY, OKAY, UM, YOU CAN'T, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS PARTICULAR THING BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE TOO COST PROHIBITIVE. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO. 
          OUR JOB IS TO TRY TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES ALONG WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND THAT'S SIMPLY WHAT'S BEING DONE HERE. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOUSE LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO IT, HOWEVER, BUT THE KEY PART HERE IS, IS MAKING, KEEPING THE HOUSE AS HISTORIC AS IT POSSIBLY CAN BE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WITH THE COLUMN CHANGES, THEN THAT TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT WAS THERE. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE SPOKEN WITH, YOU KNOW, OTHER INDIVIDUALS AND THINGS OF NATURE, BUT WHAT'S MISSING HERE IS THAT THE GUIDANCE FROM OHP, AND THAT'S THE CLEAR PART HERE. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DECIDE TODAY, IS IT HOW WE GO FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA BE IN YOUR FAVOR OR NOT. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE AND UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T FOCUS ON WHAT THE COST IS GOING TO BE. 
          AND IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, WHATEVER DECISION HAPPENS HERE TODAY, IF IT DOESN'T FALL INTO WHAT YOU ARE EXPECTING, YOU CAN ALWAYS APPEAL THE DECISION TO THE, UM, THE BOARD OF CORRECTIONS. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT OUR PREVIOUS. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CLEAR ON THAT. 
          OKAY, MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK, UH, TWO MORE QUESTIONS? SURE, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, SO ARE THE CAPITALS THAT ARE, WERE STILL THERE, ARE THEY STILL THERE ON YOUR PROPERTY OR JESSICA OR APPLICANT? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? THEY ARE AT THE PROPERTY, HOWEVER, THEY ARE DILAPIDATED. 
          I CAN SHOW YOU THE VIDEO OF THE, OF, OF IT BEING DROPPED AS WELL, IF YOU WANNA SEE THAT. 
          CAN YOU ATTEST TO THAT, JESS? I'VE BEEN PROVIDED A PHOTO OF THE CAPITALS, BUT I HAVEN'T LIKE, SEEN THEM FIRSTHAND. 
          MR. CHAIR, CAN WE, CAN WE SEE THAT VIDEO? WELL, MA'AM, PLEASE NOT UNLESS YOU'RE RECOGNIZED AT THE PODIUM IN PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOW LONG IS THAT VIDEO? WE DON'T HAVE IT. 
          I I WOULD, SHE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE IT TO US. 
          HOW LONG IS THE VIDEO, MS. SHELTON? UM, 20, 30 SECONDS. 
          I'M NOT REALLY SURE. 
          I HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT. 
          I'LL FIND IT IF YOU WANNA SEE IT IN, IN, IN THE MEANTIME, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, DOES ECONOMIC HARDSHIP FACTOR IN TO OUR DECISION? IT IS OUR PURVIEW TO CONSIDER ECONOMIC HARDSHIP ON THE COST OF REPLICATING SOMETHING, CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          CAN THESE COLUMNS OR THESE CAPITALS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE 3D PRINTED? I MEAN, DOES IT HAVE TO BE WOOD CARVED? NOT NECESSARILY TO MEET THE, I MEAN THE COMMISSION CAN APPROVE, UM, A SUBSTITUTE REPLACEMENT MATERIAL. 
          UM, I MEAN THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER COLUMNS THAT HAVE COME HERE THAT THE COLUMNS FIBERGLASS, THE CAPITALS, SOME SORT OF OTHER PRODUCT COMPOSITION PRODUCT. 
          BUT THE POINT IS THAT IT'S BASED ON HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS OR EVIDENCE THAT'S THERE ON THE PORCH CURRENTLY IN ORDER TO REPLICATE THE APPEARANCE. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE GUIDELINES, THEY DO ENCOURAGE US TO TRY TO USE EXISTING MATERIALS. 
          WERE POSSIBLE, IF NOT FEASIBLE, THEN MATERIALS THAT REPLICATE THE APPEARANCE. 
          RIGHT? SO THEN YOU CAN, IT CAN BE CARVED OUT OF THREE FOAM, 3D PRINTING, PLASTIC, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE ARE FOAMS. YES. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE COST OR, UM, QUALITY OF THOSE PRODUCTS, BUT THERE'S A VARIETY OF OTHER OPTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THE VIDEO READY, MA'AM? MM-HMM, , THEY'RE, 
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CAN WE MAKE IT LARGER ON THE SCREENS HERE? TRY IT ONE MORE TIME WITH THAT ZOOM THING LIKE THAT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, I'D LIKE TO ATTEMPT A MOTION. 
          GO AHEAD SIR. 
          I MAKE A MOTION TO THIS TO A DRC, UM, AND REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT BRING PHOTOS OF THE ACTUAL CONDITION OF THE CAPITALS SINCE THEY'VE APPARENTLY, UH, MOVE THE DAMAGE OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          AND IF, UM, THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          SECOND THING, THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? SURE, GO AHEAD. 
          YOU MAY HAVE SAID THIS ALREADY. 
          ARE THE CAPITALS ON SITE? YES. 
          AND ARE THE COLUMNS ON SITE? YES. 
          I WOULD JUST MAKE A PART OF THAT. 
          OF THAT DRC THAT THEY ARE VIEWED IN PERSON? YES. 
          I CAN AMEND THE, UH, MOTION TO BE A SITE DRC SECOND STANCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND, ONCE AGAIN, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          GALLOWAY? AYE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          DID YOU SAY SOMETHING? I HEARD, AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          KIRA. 
          AYE. 
          VASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT'LL HAPPEN NOW IS THAT, UM, SET OF COMMISSIONERS WILL COME OUT TO THE PROPERTY TO VIEW WHAT YOU HAD MENTIONED AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE CAPITALS, THE COLUMNS AND THIS NATURE, AND THEN PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET EYES ON WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF. 
          AND THEN YOU'LL THEN, AT THAT POINT, UM, YOU CAN TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THEN, AND THEN GO BACK TO STAFF. 
          OR IF YOU CHOOSE, YOU CAN RETURN BACK HERE TO, UM, THE COMMISSION. 
          IF, UM, YOU DON'T GET A SATISFACTORY ANSWER OR CAN'T WORK THAT OUT THROUGH OHP, IS THAT TO DETERMINE IF THE COLUMNS CAN BE REUSED? BECAUSE I'VE SPENT $1,200 ON THOSE COLUMNS PLUS THE STRUCTURE OF THE PORCH. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $3,000 JUST TO, TO SHORE UP THAT PORCH. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING? NOW? WE'RE GOING BACK IN TIME TO DECEMBER AND JANUARY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT NOW TWICE. 
          THE CLEAR PART HERE IS, IS THAT THIS IS STILL A VIOLATION CASE BECAUSE YOU, UM, YOU WENT AND INSTALLED THE COLUMNS, UM, WHEN IT WAS OBSERVED BY FE STAFF ON FEBRUARY 13TH. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS COMMISSION, UM, ADVISED YOU TO DO AT THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE. 
          SO NOW BECAUSE OF THAT, WE ARE TRYING TO COME TO SOME TYPE OF CONSENSUS AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. 
          SO WE CAN TRY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT ALONG FOR YOU. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO COME OUT TO THAT. 
          NOW, IF YOU SAY NO, YOU DON'T WANT US TO COME OUT, AND THEN WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKE ANOTHER MOTION AND THEN DENY THE MOTION MOVING FORWARD, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. 
          I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I DO WANT, ARE YOU, SO THE, THE ISSUE IS, I MEAN, AND I FEEL LIKE I HAVEN'T, LIKE I CAN LOSE THOUSANDS OF, YOU KNOW, HOURS OF SLEEP AND I CAN DO ALL THE RESEARCH AND I CAN PROVIDE ALL THE PICTURES AND I CAN PROVIDE ALL THE EVIDENCE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE NOW I FEEL LIKE I'M HAVING GROUNDHOG DAY. 
          LIKE WE'RE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION WE ALREADY HAD. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS TODAY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING IF WE CAN GET APPROVAL FOR THESE COLUMNS, NOT GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IS DILAPIDATED AND WHAT I PRESENTED TO DO BEFORE THAT YOU GUYS DIDN'T APPROVE. 
          SO RESPECTFULLY, I'M GONNA SAY NO, I REALLY DON'T WANNA COME BACK AGAIN. 
          I'M ABOUT TO BE DONE WITH THE PROJECT. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND LIKE WHY I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE THAT SINCE THERE'S NO OTHER HOMES, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE THESE OVERSIZED, UM, CORINTHIAN CAPITALS, UM, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO 
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ME. 
          AND I'VE DONE EVERYTHING I CAN TO PROVE TO YOU GUYS. 
          AND I STILL LIKE, WE'RE HAVING GROUNDHOG DAY EVERY MONTH AND YOU KNOW, TIME IS MONEY. 
          LIKE I SAID, I'M OVER BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          SO WHAT I FEEL LIKE WAS GONNA HAPPEN IS YOU'RE GONNA COME OUT, YOU'RE GONNA SAY, OH, WELL YEAH, YOU CAN SPEND, YOU KNOW, $5,000 AND GET THESE SHORED UP AND GET THESE PUT UP. 
          BUT I'M, BUT I CAN'T, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. 
          I CAN'T, UNLESS YOU GUYS GIVE ME, IF YOU GUYS GIVE ME THE MONEY TO DO IT, I CAN DO IT, BUT AT THIS POINT I CANNOT, I CANNOT GO BACK AND TEAR IT DOWN AND REDO IT. 
          SO IF THAT MEANS I'M IN VIOLATION, CAN WE LIKE TALK ABOUT, 'CAUSE WHEN, FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS MAYBE THEN WE GO TO COURT, I WOULD RATHER MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UM, STAFF OR ATTORNEY. 
          UM, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? SO WE BRING THAT MOTION BACK UP AGAIN AND THEN, UM, RECOMMEND A DENIAL OR HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? YOU RIGHT, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE PREVIOUS ACTION AND IT CAN BE MADE BY ANYBODY WHO WAS ON THE SUPPORTING SIDE OF THAT MOTION. 
          SO MA'AM, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU DO THAT, IF WE DO VOTE THAT WAY, YOU, YOU'RE BACK WHERE YOU WERE BECAUSE YOU WERE GIVEN THE GUY, WE VOTED ON THIS IN FEBRUARY OR JANUARY AND YOU WENT AGAINST WHAT WAS VOTED ON. 
          SO IT'S NOT A REALLY A DESIGN ISSUE, IT'S A VIOLATION ISSUE. 
          SO THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS WITHOUT HAVING TO TEAR THAT DOWN, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT 'EM, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE YOU GONNA PUT US TOGETHER TO LOOK AT IT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ENCASE THE COLUMN, YOU CAN USE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL TO MAKE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, CORINTHIAN CAP, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE DOWN NOT NECESSARILY THE OPTION THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE ONLY OPTION THERE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE GO TO THESE SITE VISITS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS, RIGHT? TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET YOU OUT OF, ACTUALLY THE TRUTH IS YOU ARE IN, YOU ARE WRONG RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHY THEN AFTER THE LAST COMMISSIONER'S MEETING, DIDN'T SOMEBODY COME OUT AND SAY, THESE ARE YOUR, NO ONE REACHED OUT, NO ONE GAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS. 
          I DID PRESENT WHAT WE'VE SEEN. 
          WHY THEN DIDN'T SOMEBODY HELP ME? AND NOW IT'S LIKE I'M IN VIOLATION WHEN I WAS, I CAME AND DID THE STEPS AND I'VE BEEN DOING THE STEPS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA KEEP DOING THE SAME THING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY? I'M NOT GONNA KEEP DOING THE SAME THING. 
          SO I WOULD RATHER JUST GO TO COURT IF I GUESS THAT'S THE NEXT STEP AND LET SOMEBODY THAT'S UNBIASED DECIDE. 
          BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY PERSON WITH LOGIC WOULD GO AGAINST WITH ALL OF THE PICTURE EVIDENCE THAT I'VE SHOWN. 
          I DON'T THINK A JUDGE WITH LOGIC WOULD GO AGAINST ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SHOWING MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          MAY I RESPOND? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, THE MOTION AND THE ACTION TAKEN BY THE COMMISSION TODAY WAS NOT A DENIAL OF YOUR CURRENT APPLICATION. 
          IT'S IN ESSENCE A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW A COMMITTEE OF HDRC TO REVIEW YOUR CURRENT APPLICATION. 
          BUT MY CURRENT APPLICATION IS FOR WHAT'S INSTALLED. 
          SO WE'RE NOW GOING BACK AND TALKING ABOUT THE OLD COLUMNS, LIKE, WHICH IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME, BUT IT'S NOT A DENIAL. 
          SO IN IN ESSENCE IT'S STILL A CONTINUANCE, IT'S STILL BEING, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN I DO MR. CHAIR? I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO, YEAH, LIKE WHAT, WHAT'S MY CONSEQUENCES AT THIS POINT? I'LL DEFER TO THE CHAIR AT THIS POINT. 
          SO, UM, AS AS ATTORNEY STATED, THAT WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING OR WHAT WAS VOTED ON AND APPROVED IS NOT A DENIAL FOR YOU. 
          OKAY? YES, WE DO WANNA COME OUT, BUT THIS IS AGAIN, TO TRY TO HELP YOU TO HELP MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. 
          NOW, OF COURSE, AS THE APPLICANT, UM, AS YOU STATED, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, EVEN LIKE I SAID, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE IN, YOU KNOW, VIOLATION RIGHT NOW, WE ARE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT, THEN WE'LL DO THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE IT UP WITH, UM, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO GO FROM THERE. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO ASSIST HERE, WE'RE, WE'RE UNBIASED HERE, WE'RE JUST GOING ALONG WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY, WHAT THE UDC SAYS, OKAY? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          AND UM, ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS WAS THAT THE, UM, THE COLUMNS WERE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOME. 
          OKAY? THAT CAN BE DEBATED. 
          OKAY? BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR AT LEAST 50 YEARS, SO THEREFORE THEY'RE JUST AS MUCH OF A PART OF HIS HOME AS THEY AS YOU KNOW, THE THE FRAME ITSELF. 
          OKAY? SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          SO I'M GONNA ASK ONE MORE TIME JUST BEFORE WE GO, GO FOR THIS MOTION TO RECONSIDER. 
          DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE MOTION AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN GO OFF FOR THE DRC OR 
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ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANNA SCRAP THAT AND THEN YOU WANT US TO JUST FLATLY DENY THIS? I DON'T WANNA TAKE IT AS IT STANDS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING BACK TO TALK ABOUT THE OLD THINGS THAT I, I'M NOT ABLE TO REMEDY THAT. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE THE VOTE MS. OKAY. 
          ASK YOU A QUESTION. 
          I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          MOTION TO RECONSIDER PLEASE. 
          NO, I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE THE BEFORE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE STIPULATION THAT WAS VOTED ON LAST TIME WITH REGARDS TO THIS COLUMN? AND THEN MA'AM, IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF LISTEN TO THIS TO SEE IF YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT WE VOTED ON THE LAST TIME. 
          JESS, I HAVE IT PULLED UP. 
          UM, IT WAS DENIAL OF ITEM TWO MODIFYING THREE EXISTING CORINTHIAN COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH. 
          BASED ON THE FINDINGS, THE COLUMN SHOULD BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SOLUTION TO COMPENSATE FOR THE ADDITIONAL FOUNDATION HEIGHT. 
          THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE MODIFYING CAPITAL OR SHAFT OF THE EXISTING COLUMNS. 
          THERE'S A MISSING THE IN THERE, UM, A NEW TALLER SHAFT THAT MATCHES IN PROFILE AND DIMENSIONS MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS DOING WAS A NEW TALLER SHAFT. 
          BUT MA'AM, IN PROFILE AND DIMENSIONS, YOU JUST READ IT. 
          YOU ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IS THERE A SECOND? WE NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. 
          FIRST I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND QUESTIONS. 
          MAY I HAVE A MOTION? I MEAN, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          GALLOWAY? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          GUEVARA. 
          AYE. 
          VAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD MR. CHAIR. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          CASTILLO. 
          AYE. 
          GALLOWAY? AYE. 
          MOOKA? AYE. 
          KIVA. 
          AYE. 
          VASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, AT THIS POINT NOW, SO OUR ACTION HERE IS COMPLETE. 
          SO THEN YOUR NEXT STEP IF YOU CHOOSE TO APPEAL THIS DECISION WOULD BE FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND STAFF CAN HELP YOU ALONG THOSE GUIDELINES IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE, BUT THEY'LL BE YOUR NEXT STEP, RIGHT? SO, AND I WILL SAY AT ANY TIME THE OFFER'S ON THE TABLE TO CONFORM WITH THIS PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO WE CAN HELP YOU IDENTIFY A COLUMN THAT MATCHES IN, IN PROFILE AND DIMENSION. 
          AND WE ARE ALSO WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ON REPLACEMENT CAPITALS THAT MATCH AN APPEARANCE. 
          AS FAR AS WORK WITH, YOU MEAN DONATE. 
          OKAY, JUST LEAVING THAT OUT THERE. 
          NO, I'M, I'M CURIOUS. 
          SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN MOVING FORWARD? WELL, SO THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE, YOUR ACTION HERE IS COMPLETE. 
          AND SO YOUR NEXT STEP CHOOSE YOU IF YOU CHOOSE TO TAKE THE ACTION, WOULD BE TO FILE AN APPEAL WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN YOU WOULD PRESENT YOUR CASE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN THEY'LL MAKE THE DECISION AS TO HOW YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          OKAY? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM 13. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 8 2 4 45 DIVINE STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 4 45 DIVINE, LOCATED WITHIN THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE REAC ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO FEATURE AN ENCLOSED STORAGE ROOM AND A COVERED PARKING AREA. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE STRUCTURE'S FOOTPRINT TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 480 SQUARE FEET. 
          YOU'LL SEE IN FINDING B THAT THERE'S A PREVIOUS REVIEW ON APRIL 17TH, 2019 AS PART OF A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS TO FIBERGLASS INSTALLED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA, THE HDRC APPROVED SIDE AND REAR FIBERGLASS WINDOWS. 
          WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE FRONT WINDOWS FOR ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS BE RETURNED TO WOOD, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS THAT MEET THE ADOPTED STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND THAT WOOD WINDOW SCREENS BE INSTALLED OVER FIBERGLASS WINDOWS. 
          THIS WORK HAS NOT OCCURRED AT THIS TIME. 
          REGARDING THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, STAFF FINDS THAT THE SCALE MASS ORIENTATION AND SETBACKS OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE APPROPRIATE FOR PER FINDING F THE MATERIALS OF THE PROPOSED REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF FINDS THAT THE MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT SHOULD BE USED IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN PLACE OF THE PROPOSED POLYCARBONATE PANELS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF FINDS THAT THE ROOFING MATERIALS PROPOSED ARE INCON, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDE, I'M SORRY. 
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ADDITIONALLY, STAFF FINDS THAT ROOFING MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES SHOULD BE USED, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, STANDING SEA METAL ROOFING MATERIALS AND THAT THE WOOD OR WOOD CLAD COLUMNS AND EXPOSED STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN METAL FACADE ELEMENTS SUCH AS COR ON NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION IN THE PAST. 
          REGARDING WINDOW MATERIALS, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS TO BE VOID OF WINDOW FRAMES AND TO BE ENCLOSED BY STEEL WINDOW SHUTTERS AND STEEL DOORS. 
          GENERALLY, STAFF FINDS, UH, PARDON ME, GENERALLY STAFF FINDS THAT ELEMENT TO BE APPROPRIATE. 
          HOWEVER, STAFF FINDS THAT ALL MATERIALS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ONSITE AND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT AS NOTED IN FINDING G. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE REAR STRUCTURE TO FEATURE A SHED ROOF AND WINDOWS THAT ARE GENERALLY PROPORTIONATE PROPORTION SIMILAR TO, SIMILAR TO THOSE FOUND IN THE DISTRICT. 
          HISTORICALLY, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHIN THE DISTRICT FEATURED GABLE ROOFS STAFF FINDS THAT THE GABLE ROOF SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED SHED ROOF. 
          THE RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE GENERAL FOOTPRINT AND MASSING OF THE PROPOSED REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          HOWEVER, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE FOLLOWING DESIGN ELEMENTS SHOULD BE AMENDED PER THE ABOVE FINDINGS TO RECEIVE A FULL RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. 
          ONE THAT THE MATERIALS, THAT MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT BE USED IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN PLACE OF THE PROPOSED POLYCARBONATE PANELS SUCH AS WOOD SIDING OR CLEAR STORY WINDOWS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ROOFING MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES SHOULD BE USED SUCH AS STANDING SEAM METAL AND THAT THE WOOD OR WOOD CLAD COLUMNS AND EXPOSED STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN IN PLACE OF THE EXPOSED STEEL ELEMENTS. 
          STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF MATERIAL SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARD, UH, STANDING SEAM ROOF SPECIFICATIONS. 
          A FIVE V CRIMP ROOFING MAY ALSO BE USED FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          TWO, THAT THE ROOF FORM BE MODIFIED FROM A SHED PROFILE TO A GABLE PROFILE PROFILE. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING I, THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLYING WITH ALL ZONING SETBACK REGULATIONS AND ONSITE INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF ROOFING MATERIALS TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIALS MATCH THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS AND ALL PREVIOUS STIPULATIONS OF PAST HDRC APPROVALS MUST BE MET PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PROPOSED REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          THIS INCLUDES THE FABRICATION AND INSTALLATION OF WOOD WINDOW SCREENS ON THE SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS AND THE INSTALLATION OF FOUR ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE. 
          WINDOWS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION. 
          AND THE APPLICANT, CAMERON GREENLEY, IS WITH US IN PERSON. 
          I BELIEVE I HAVE TO SAY MY NAME, I BELIEVE. 
          YES, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          I'M CAMDEN GREENLEY, UH, RESIDENT. 
          I OWN 4 4 5 DIVINE STREET AND LIVE THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD AND BRIEF, PLEASE PRESENT YOUR CASE. 
          UM, WELL, UH, PROPOSING A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, AS YOU SEE HERE, TO USE AS A CARPORT TO PROTECT MY VEHICLE. 
          UH, AND UH, ALSO TO USE FOR GARDEN AND WOOD SHOP STORAGE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW MUCH YOU'VE SEEN OF THE DRAWINGS OR IF, UM, BUT THE REASON I'M USING CORRUGATED METAL, UM, ONE, IT APPEARS TO BE COMMON IN, UH, MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE EXAMPLES ARE ACTUALLY HISTORIC, BUT APPEARS TO BE COMMON. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO A, A FINANCIAL, UH, PART OF THE PROJECT, UM, AND RESILIENCE USING, UM, CMU OR CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS, UH, AS THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, OUR HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE REALLY A, A SAFE WEATHER FOR, FOR STORMS AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO TREAT THIS AS A, UH, A STORM SHELTER AS WELL, ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT VISIBLE TO THE EXTERIOR. 
          UM, THE STEEL DOORS AND WINDOWS ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE INSIDE. 
          UM, I HAVE SOME WOODWORKING EQUIPMENT THAT'S FAIRLY VALUABLE. 
          UM, SO IT WOULD BE, THIS IS THE CLOSEST EXAMPLE I COULD FIND OF A STEEL DOOR. 
          IT WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE OPENINGS IN IT AND IT WOULD BE PAINTED, UH, NOT RAW. 
          UM, THERE'S, UH, AN EXISTING, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THE EXIST, THERE WAS A BACK BUILDING THAT WAS NOT THERE. 
          THE ONLY EVIDENCE OF IT IS JUST THE FOOTING, THE REMAINING FOOTING. 
          THIS IS MEANT TO SIT, UH, ON THAT LOCATION IN THE BACKYARD. 
          I FOUND A PHOTO OF THE, UM, PREVIOUS BUILDING ON ZILLOW. 
          UH, IT WAS ADDED, IT MAYBE TOWARD THE END OF THE DOCUMENT. 
          YES. 
          UM, THERE APPEARS, IT'S TOUGH TO TELL. 
          IT'S NOT A VERY HIGH QUALITY IMAGE, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE ROOF IS CORRUGATED METAL. 
          UM, AND, UH, 
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UH, AND THEN TO DEFEND THE SHED ROOF VERSUS THE GABLE, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD BE POTENTIALLY WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE, BUT, UM, THE SHED ROOF IS TO TRY AND I'M HOPING TO, UH, DO RAIN CATCHMENT IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AND HAVING A SHED ROOF LIMITS THE, YOU KNOW, MAKES ALL THE WATER GO IN ONE DIRECTION SO I CAN CATCH IT ALL IN ONE PLACE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO IT IN TWO LOCATIONS ON A GABLE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S, UH, UNLESS THERE'S, SO THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF, UH, CORRUGATED METAL ROOFS, UH, IN LAVACCA, BOTH FROM MY BACKYARD AND THEN, UH, ON ONE STREET OVER ON SAFETY STREET. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT BACK STRUCTURE WAS DEMOLISHED BEFORE I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS THE STREET VIEW OF THE HOUSE THAT WE RENOVATED IN 2018, 2019. 
          I WANNA SAY I'M NOT FINISHED WITH THE RENOVATION. 
          IT'S, UM, I WISH I HAD THE FUNDS TO DO IT ALL IN ONE GO, BUT I'M, I'M TRYING MY BEST TO DO THIS PIECEMEAL. 
          THERE'S, UH, OUR, WE ALSO HAD A LEAK IN MY HOUSE, UM, A YEAR AGO NOW. 
          AND SO, UH, TO DO THOSE RENOVATIONS, UM, YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO EXCUSE THE STATE OF THE BACKYARD AND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND THE, THE POLYCARBONATE CLEAR STORY IS THERE TO ALLOW ME TO USE DAYLIGHT, UH, AND HAVE THE SHUTTERS CLOSED AT THE SAME TIME DURING COLD WEATHER. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I THINK I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY VOICEMAILS? THERE ARE NO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS REQUEST. 
          NO ONE PERSON SPEAKERS EITHER. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY, A TEAM OF PEOPLE. 
          I'M SORRY, . 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, SIR. 
          BEFORE, UH, BEFORE WE GET MOVING WITH YOUR, UH, ACCESSORY UNIT, YOU DO KNOW YOU HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, THE VIOLATION FROM LAST TIME WITH THE WINDOWS, RIGHT? YES. 
          STILL AWARE OF THAT. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING THAT? CORRECT? SO PART OF MY, I DIDN'T KNOW, DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE TWO REQUESTS IN ONE GO. 
          ONE IS TO, UH, APPROVE OR PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING. 
          THE SECOND IS TO DEFER THE WORK OF REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. 
          UM, I'M CURRENTLY GETTING EIGHT HISTORIC SCREENS INSTALLED, FOUR FOR THE FRONT FOUR WINDOWS, AND FOUR FOR THE TWO ON THE RIGHT AND TWO ON THE LEFT. 
          UM, PART OF ONE OF THE REASONS I WANT TO HAVE THE ACCESSORY BUILDING DONE CURRENTLY IS I'VE HAD MY LAWNMOWER IN MY BATHROOM FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, AND I, IF I CAN HAVE A PLACE TO WORK, I CAN THEN BUILD THE REST OF THE HISTORIC SCREENS MYSELF AND THEN THE MONEY I SAVE OFF OF THAT, UH, REINVEST IN THE FRONT FOUR WINDOWS TO REPLACE THEM WITH WOOD. 
          UH, WOULD WINDOWS APPROVED BY THE, THE STAFF AND STAFF JESSICA, IS THAT CORRECT? ALL I SAID, SORRY, I, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED FIRST, BUT UH, IS THAT CORRECT? BEFORE HE CAN START WORK ON THAT, ON THE BACK SHED, HE HAS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE WINDOWS FIRST, CORRECT. 
          SO PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, CONSTRUCTION WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL THE HOUSE COMES INTO COMPLIANCE REGARDING THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO QUESTION SO THAT FOR STAFF. 
          SO THAT BEING SAID, SO DO WE EVEN NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS NOW? 'CAUSE SINCE HE'S NOT, HE HASN'T COMPLIED WITH THAT YET. 
          SO THAT IS NOT A REQUEST ITEM. 
          SO THE REQUEST ITEM TO BE CONSIDERED TODAY IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          UM, I WILL DEFER TO ALMA AND DHPO COREY, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU ALL WERE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COULD BE ISSUED WHILE HE WORKS ON THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS SAID, RACHEL, IT MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT FOR, FOR, FOR DESIGN AND, AND HOW TO, HOW TO GET THIS DONE. 
          IS THAT, WELL, THE, THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AND MY, UH, I WOULD LOVE IF IT COULD JUST CONTINUE AS IS. 
          UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME OBJECTIONS, UH, FROM THE STAFF I'M WORTH CONSIDERING. 
          UM, AND, UH, IF THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO ALLOW IT TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE COMMITTEE, I'D AT LEAST BE WILLING TO HEAR IT OUT AND SEE IF I CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. 
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WHAT DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF HAS RIGHT NOW? UH, THE, THE TWO I BELIEVE, UM, THE BIGGEST ONES WOULD BE THE NOT USING CORRUGATED METAL. 
          IF I USE STANDING SEA METAL, I HAVE TO HAVE A SUBSTRATE. 
          UM, THAT SUBSTRATE COSTS MONEY. 
          UM, IT'S USUALLY TONGUE AND GROOVE. 
          UH, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROBABLY INCH AND A HALF TONGUE AND GROOVE COVERED WITH ROOFING UNDERLAYMENT AND THEN STAINING SEA METAL ROOF, CORRUGATED METAL. 
          UM, IT'S FAIRLY EASY TO, TO ASSEMBLE AND PUT ON. 
          IT'S ALL OF THAT IN ONE. 
          UH, THE SECOND IS, UM, THE, THE POLYCARBONATE OR NOT USING POLYCARBONATE AND, AND INCLUDING WINDOWS INSTEAD. 
          UM, AT THAT POINT I WOULD LIKELY JUST HAVE TO REMOVE THE CLEAR STORY ALTOGETHER. 
          I DON'T THINK I CAN AFFORD TO GLAZE THAT, UM, IN GLASS. 
          UH, AND THEN THE SEC, THE THIRD WOULD BE THE ENCASING OR USING TIMBER OR WOOD IN LIEU OF STEEL COLUMNS. 
          UM, PART OF THE REASON I USE STEEL COLUMNS WAS THE RESILIENCE, UH, THE STRUCTURE I THINK THAT I FOUND ON ZILLOW. 
          UM, THERE ARE LOT AND MY NEIGHBORS, SHED SHOW SERIOUS SIGNS OF DECAY, WHETHER IT'S TERMITE DAMAGE OR, OR ROT. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO AVOID THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE. 
          OH, I WAS READING, I'M JUST TRYING TO READ WHAT YOU, I'M LISTENING TO WHAT YOU SAID AND I'M TRYING TO READ WHAT'S ON HERE. 
          BUT YOU, YOU CAN USE, UH, THE STEEL THAT YOU WANT, BUT YOU JUST GOTTA CLAD 'EM IN, IN, IN WOOD. 
          AM I CORRECT STAFF? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. 
          SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE COLUMNS BE WOOD OR WOOD CLAD COLUMNS. 
          SO THAT EXPOSED STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN IN PLACE OF EXPOSED STEEL ELEMENTS. 
          AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THAT THE ROOFING INSTEAD OF CORRUGATED METAL IS EITHER STANDING SEAM METAL OR POTENTIALLY FIVE V CRIMP ROOFING CAN SORRY, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT FIVE V CRIMP? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          WHAT FIVE V CRIMP IS. 
          WE CAN BRING IT UP ON THE SCREEN IF YOU GIVE ME A MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE QUESTION, UH, SORRY. 
          THE, THE LAST THING WOULD BE THE GABLE STRUCTURE INSTEAD OF THE SHED. 
          GOTCHA. 
          I THE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, IF NONE MAY HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE. 
          MR. CHAIR, I GUESS WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? AND STAFF HAS BROUGHT UP AN EXAMPLE OF FIVE EC CRIMP ROOFING ON THE SCREEN. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY TO SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION JUST FOR CLARITY. 
          SO THIS WOULD ENABLE HIM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BEFORE MOVING THE WINDOWS. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE NO, NO, THIS IS NOT, NO, THIS IS FINISH THE WINDOWS FIRST, RIGHT? WE CAN APPROVE THIS, BUT THEN IT STILL HAS TO DO THE WINDOWS FIRST. 
          OTHER DISCUSSION. 
          AND MR. CHAIR, THE, THE REASON I MADE THE MOTION WAS TO START THE DISCUSSION HERE ON, ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND MAYBE, MAYBE THIS PASSES, MAYBE IT DOESN'T, BUT I'M UNDERSTANDING THE APPLICANT IS, IS ASKING FOR, UM, A HANDFUL OF DEVIATIONS FROM WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. 
          MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS, IS THIS, IS IT DOABLE? CAN YOU STILL DO THE PROJECT AND WORK WITHIN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? UM, I , YEAH, I, I'D LIKELY HAVE TO DEFER. 
          I'D PROBABLY GIVEN THE COST, UM, I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO PUSH IT OUT ANOTHER FEW YEARS. 
          I'M GUESSING THE COST OF, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. 
          UM, BUT I'M GUESSING THE COST OF TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD ROOFING UNDERLAYMENT. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE FIVE V GROOVE STILL REQUIRES UN UH, STRUCTURAL UNDERLAYMENT. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S FREE SPANNING, UM, I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO PUSH IT OUT ANOTHER FEW YEARS. 
          UM, QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, SO WHEN IT COMES TO, HE'S MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, CALLS, IS THERE, AREN'T THERE PROGRAMS IN PLACE THAT CAN HELP HIM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT COST? SURE. 
          SO WE DO OFFER A SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAM. 
          APPLICANTS CAN QUALIFY FOR THAT. 
          IF THEY SPEND, UH, 30% OF THEIR IMPROVEMENT HOME SITE VALUE ON REHABILITATION WORK ON THE PROJECT, UH, THAT MIGHT BE, UH, MET SUCCESSFULLY WITH THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT IS A PROPERTY TAX INCENTIVE THAT'S APPLIED TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY TAX LINE AND IT'S VALID FOR 10 YEARS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU, ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT, SIR? OR WERE YOU I'M NOT AWARE OF IT. 
          IT, UH, TO CLARIFY, IT'S 30% OF THE 
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PROPERTY VALUE, THE IMPROVEMENT HOME SITE VALUE. 
          SO GENERALLY THE COST OF THE HOUSE MINUS THE LAND, AND THAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE, ON BCA ON THE PROPERTY TAX RECORDS. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION IS, IS THIS, UM, SINCE THERE ARE OTHER ACCESSORIES STRUCTURES IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH CORRUGATED METAL ROOFS, UM, I COULD SEE THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ALSO HAVING A CORRUGATED METAL ROOF. 
          UM, WHICH COULD BE DESIGNED, UH, AS A GABLE, UH, UH, GABLE WOULD ALSO, UH, YOU'D HAVE TO PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE GUTTER ON THE OTHER SIDE TO DO YOUR WATER COLLECTION. 
          UM, SO YOU'D BE COLLECTING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER JUST INSTEAD OF ONE BIG ROOF, YOU'D HAVE TWO EQUAL HALVES. 
          SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION TO, UM, MOVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT FOR THE ROOFING MATERIAL THAT IT BE ALLOWED TO BE THE CORRUGATED METAL ROOF IN LIEU OF THE, UH, STANDING SCENE. 
          SECOND THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST SAY I AGREE WITH, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER FETZER. 
          I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ARE YOU WITHDRAWING YOUR MOTION? YES, I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THE MOTION BEEN WITHDRAWN, SO WE'LL VOTE ON THE ALTERNATE MOTION. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          GUEVARA AYE. 
          VASQUEZ NAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, SO JUST SO I CLEAR, UNDERSTAND THE, UM, APPROVED WITH, UH, WITHOUT THE, WITH CORRUGATED METAL, I ASSUME AS A GABLE, DOES THAT MEAN, SO I NEED TO RE-SEND IN, UH, A NEW REVISED DESIGN TO THE STAFF, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO MEET THE REMAINING STIPULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE ISSUE OF, UM, NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THIS UNTIL I RE REPLACE THE FRONT FOUR WINDOWS, IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE TO GET THAT, UH, DEFERRED OR IS THAT, UH, SET IN STONE IN THIS? I CAN'T DO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE UNTIL THE WINDOWS ARE DONE AND THERE'S NO WAY TO CHANGE THAT. 
          WE CAN WORK WITH YOU IF YOU'VE GOT A TIMELINE FOR COMPLETION. 
          WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON BOTH ITEMS. OKAY. 
          WE JUST NEED SOME SORT OF ASSURANCE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE WORKING. 
          UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM 14 HAS BEEN POSTPONED. 
          ITEM 15 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 7 7 3 15 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 306 SQUARE FOOT OPEN STUCCO CLA EDITION, UH, WITH FIREPLACE TO THE SIDE PATIO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN OPEN STUCCO CLOUD CMU EDITION WITH FIREPLACE TO THE SIDE PATIO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH DA REAR EDITION OR SIDE EDITION OR PERGOLA THAT IS SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AND MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPRO APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND JUST TO NOTE, UM, AS NOTED IN FINDING B OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE GUIDELINES SAY NOT TO ADD NEW PORCHES, BALCONIES, OR PORT CO-CHAIRS WHERE THEY AREN'T HISTORICALLY PRESENT. 
          UM, WHEN AN ADDITION IS APPROPRIATE, THE GUIDELINES SAY IT SHOULD UTILIZE A SETBACK OR A RECESSED AREA OR A SMALL CHANGE IN DETAIL TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          UM, WHILE SOME SITE ADDITIONS MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED PORCH ROOF IS ON THE SAME PLANE AS THE PRIMARY ELEVATION WITHOUT ANY SETBACK OR DIFFERENTIATION FROM THE EXISTING HISTORIC FABRIC, WHICH MAKES IT KIND OF APPEAR LIKE AN HISTORIC PORT CHE. 
          UM, A REAR EDITION OR SIDE EDITION OR PERGOLA THAT'S SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AND IT MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, KURT LAHR HERE IN PERSON. 
          UM, THERE IS ONE LETTER ON FILE FROM THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD? PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND PRESENT YOUR CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          KURT LAHR, I'M A LICENSED CONTRACTOR HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UH, I'M HERE PRETTY MUCH JUST TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD 
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PRODUCTIVELY WITH THE PROJECT. 
          UM, I'M SOME OF AN UNFAMILIAR WITH THIS PROCESS. 
          UH, SO, UH, LOOKING FOR A LITTLE GUIDANCE ON HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD PRODUCTIVELY, AND I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. 
          THE, THE OFFSET IN THE STRUCTURE WAS THE ONE, UH, ITEM THAT I'D BEEN MADE AWARE OF, UH, LAST WEEK. 
          AND WITH THE CURRENT DESIGN, I BELIEVE WE CAN PUT A TWO TO SIX INCH OFFSET IN THE FRONT, UH, PLANE OF THE STRUCTURE TO OFFSET IT FROM THE EXISTING HOME. 
          UH, THIS MORNING I GOT A EMAIL WITH A WHOLE NEW SET OF CONCERNS AND SUGGESTIONS THOUGH, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT, HOW THIS IS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE TACKLED OR WHO I'M WORKING WITH OR WHAT THE PROCESS IS. 
          THOSE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE GOT A LETTER FROM THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. 
          SO WE SHARED THAT LETTER WITH THE APPLICANT SO HE WOULD BE AWARE OF THOSE CONCERNS. 
          SO THOSE AREN'T REQUIREMENTS, THEY'RE JUST PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          AND I THINK THE, IT'S A COPY OF THE LETTER IN THE FOLDER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO, AND SIR, JUST MAKE SURE WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING, YOU'VE GOT THAT MIC CLOSER TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU CAN BEND IT IF YOU NEED TO. 
          SO THOSE ARE SUGGESTIONS OR WHAT? I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO, TO THE PROCESS? THEY'RE JUST PUBLIC COMMENTS AND SO THAT'S THEIR WAY OF, THEY'VE REVIEWED THE CASES AND HAVE PROVIDED COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER TO WHEN TAKING ACTION ON THIS REQUEST. 
          DO YOU UNDERSTAND, SIR? SO BASICALLY WHAT IS BASICALLY IS THAT, UM, YOU'VE BEEN SITTING HERE IN THE HEARING. 
          SO WHEN, UM, YOUR CASES ARE PRESENTED, THEN YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE CAN SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF OR SPEAK, UM, IN OPPOSITION OR JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE GENERAL COMMENTS. 
          SO BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT, UM, THE LETTER IN OUR FILE SAYS. 
          SO THERE, THERE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTIONS IN THERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. 
          SO YOU CAN STILL GO AHEAD AND FINISH PRESENTING YOUR CASE, BUT WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT LETTER. 
          SO WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE'RE, UM, DEBATING YOUR CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M PROPOSING TO OFFSET THE STRUCTURE FROM THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOME BY TWO TO SIX INCHES. 
          OKAY. 
          ADEQUATE PLEASE. 
          CONS, SPEAK TO THE MIC. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH, I'M NOT USED TO THIS, SO, OKAY. 
          SO WHAT WE WANT YOU TO DO HERE IS THAT IF, IF YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH DONE, THAT'S FINE, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT YOUR CASE, TELL US WHAT YOU WANT US TO KNOW CONCERNING THE CASE. 
          AND THEN ONCE YOU'RE COMPLETE THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS HERE. 
          SO, SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          I MEAN, SHOULD I BE ADDRESSING THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS FROM THIS MORNING OR WHAT? YOU, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO, YOU HAVE TIME, TIME INSURANCE RIGHT NOW, OR, OR YOU CAN ADDRESS THE STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          DID HE, YOU'VE SEEN THE STAFF STIPULATIONS THE RECOMMENDATION RATHER? I'M SORRY? DID YOU GET TO LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF MADE FOR YOUR PROJECT? YES, AS FAR AS OFFSETTING THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO THAT IS ONE RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. 
          WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT SOMETHING MORE TEMPORAL IN NATURE BE INSTALLED, UM, INSTEAD OF SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A SIDE ADDITION. 
          SO WE'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT IS OFFSET, BUT THEN ALSO SOMETHING THAT READS MORE LIKE A PERGOLA VERSUS A ROOF EXTENSION. 
          SO YOU, SO MAYBE A CHANGE IN MATERIALS, SOMETHING MORE OPEN IN DESIGN, UM, SOMETHING FREESTANDING. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT, SIR. 
          OR IF YOU JUST WANNA LET THAT COMMENT STAND AND THEN WE GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS, THAT'S UP TO YOU. 
          SO THE FLOOR IS STILL YOURS, SO JUST WANNA GIVE YOU EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT WHAT YOU WANT HAVE TO PRESENT TO US. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THE HOMEOWNER'S INTERESTED IN A FREESTANDING STRUCTURE. 
          THEY'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR A ATTACHED PATIO AREA TO GO OUT TO THE, THE PROPOSED FIREPLACE THAT'S OFF OF THE HOUSE, I THINK WALKING THROUGH MIKE, PLEASE, SIR, A SHEET OF A SHEET OF RAIN. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS WALKING THROUGH A SHEET OF RAIN TO GET OUT TO YOUR OUTDOOR FIREPLACE DOESN'T SEEM REALLY IDEAL. 
          UH, THE POSITION OF THE PATIO, UH, IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE. 
          IT'S ON THE SURVEY NOTATED, I THINK IN 2010 WHEN THESE FOLKS BOUGHT THE HOUSE. 
          UH, THE POSITIONING OF THE AREA IS KIND OF, THERE'S AN EXISTING PATIO THERE. 
          I CAN'T REALLY MOVE IT TO BACK TO THE ROUND, THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO OTHER THAN THE OFFSET, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN. 
          OKAY. 
          AS FAR AS THE, LET'S SEE HERE, SOMEONE NOTATED THAT THE SCALE OF THIS COVERED PATIO SEEMS DISPROPORTIONATELY LARGE IN RELATION TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WHEN VIEWED FROM FRONT ELEVATION. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT DOESN'T SEEM DISPROPORTIONATELY LARGE TO ME OR THE DESIGNERS OR THE HOMEOWNER THAT WERE INVOLVED. 
          UH, MIGHT SUGGEST A ROOFER TRELLIS OVER FOOTPRINT ABOUT 16 BY 16 VERSUS WHAT APPEARS TO BE 20 FOOT SQUARE. 
          UH, THE ACTUAL SPACE IS ABOUT 18 BY 17 FOR THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S MEETING IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT THIS PERSON SUGGESTED. 
          EXTERIOR MATERIALS OF AN ADDITION OF AN ADDITIONAL OF AN ADDITION SHOULD COMPLEMENT THOSE OF 
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THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE BUT NOT MIMIC THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THERE SHOULD BE CLEAR DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE NEW AND OLD. 
          UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT, SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT, EXCUSE ME ON THAT. 
          UH, I TEND TO DISAGREE. 
          I'VE BEEN DOING ROOM ADDITIONS AND REMODELS, UH, FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS USUALLY IS THAT, IS IT MATCHES THE EXISTING STYLE OF THE HOUSE. 
          WE'VE GOT THE SAME STUCCO CONTRACTOR. 
          UM, SO THIS, THE HOUSE WAS ALL REDONE, UH, A FEW YEARS BACK. 
          I, I'M ASSUMING IT WAS APPROVED IN THIS PROCESS AND THAT STUCCO WAS PUT ON. 
          SO IN MY OPINION, AND MANY OTHERS, I WOULD THINK THAT SWITCHING OVER TO WOOD OR SIDING OR SOME OTHER DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL, UH, WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UH, PREFER THE ROOF STRUCTURE HAVE A MINIMAL OR NO ATTACHMENT TO THE EXISTING, EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, SO THAT IT IN THEORY BE REMOVED AT A LATER DATE. 
          IN THEORY, THIS CAN BE REMOVED TO, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO REPAIR THE STUCCO IF IT'S TIED INTO THE HOUSE. 
          UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I BELIEVE I'VE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING OKAY. 
          UP TO THIS POINT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES. 
          OKAY, SIR, QUESTION. 
          UM, LOOKING AT THIS DRAWING, THE NUMBER TWO, THE THE STREET ELEVATION. 
          YES SIR. 
          UM, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, CONTENTION THAT IT, UH, THE SCALE OF THIS, UM, PATIO IS, UH, VERY LARGE AND, AND OVERPOWERS THE, THE STRUCTURE. 
          WOULD, UM, DID YOU EVER EXPLORE, UH, DOING MORE OF A WOOD, WOOD ROOF STRUCTURE SIMILAR TO THE, UH, STRUCTURE THAT'S OVER THE DRIVEWAY? THAT'S ON THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS DRAWING? IF YOU COULD GO TO PHOTO NUMBER EIGHT, IT SHOWS, UM, THESE WOOD, UH, RAFTERS THAT, UM, UH, ALLOW FOR A MUCH LIGHTER LOOKING, UH, STRUCTURE. 
          UH, WAS ANYTHING LIKE THIS CONSIDERED AS FAR AS ROOFING THE, UH, PROPOSED ADDITION? IS THAT SLATS OR AS FAR AS A ROOF STRUCTURE, LIKE A REAL ROOF STRUCTURE? WELL, UH, FRAMING, FRAMING LIKE THIS THAT YOU COULD PUT A, UH, SOLID ROOF OVER. 
          MM. 
          I BELIEVE THE, THE REASON FOR THE FLAT ROOF WAS TO MATCH THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE ALSO AND TO NOT HAVE A LARGE LOOMING ROOF STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THAT'S SHOWING. 
          SO WITH THE FLAT ROOF, WE'RE ALLOWING LIKE NINE INCHES OF SLOPE. 
          SO THAT TAKES UP ABOUT A FOOT FOR PARAPET WALL. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S QUITE A TALL PARAPET, SO IT'S ABOUT THREE FEET TALL. 
          THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF THAT'S IN THE AIR, UH, THE BOTTOM ONE FOOT IS ACTUALLY FUR DOWN WITH, UH, JUST, LET'S CALL IT FALSE BEAMS AROUND THE PERIMETER. 
          SO THAT WAY FROM THE STREET VIEW, YOU DON'T SEE A CEILING FAN OR RECESSED CAN LIGHTS. 
          THAT WAS OUR THOUGHT WAS TO BRING THAT DOWN TO EIGHT FEET. 
          SO THAT'S THE FIRST FEET IS JUST FAKE WINDOW DRESSING FROM THE STREET. 
          THE SECOND FOOT IS STRUCTURAL AND THE THIRD FOOT WILL ALLOW FOR NINE INCHES OF SLOPE AND THEN THE PARA FOOT WALL TO CLEAR THAT BY THREE INCHES ALL THE WAY AROUND. 
          SO WE COULD ELIMINATE THE BOTTOM FOOT AND JUST BRING THAT UP TO A FLUSH CEILING. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE AESTHETICALLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN W WOULD A GABLE OR A HIP ROOF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BE MORE APPROPRIATE? WOULD Y'ALL PREFER THAT? AND WHO AM I WORKING WITH? I'M, I'M REALLY, I'M SORRY, I'M CONFUSED. 
          I'M USED TO WORKING WITH, I'M A BUILDING CONTRACTOR. 
          I'M USED TO WORKING WITH ONE INSPECTOR WHO HAS SOME LIMITED INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WE DO. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE WHO I'M TALKING TO AND WHAT PROCESS AND WHAT ORDER. 
          SO YOU, YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSIONER THAT'S, UM, THIS QUESTIONING YOU AT THE MOMENT, WHICH IS, UM, VICE CHAIR FETZER. 
          SO HE'S QUESTIONING YOU NOW. 
          AND THEN OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE QUESTIONS AND YOU CAN ADDRESS THEM DIRECTLY, BUT IF YOU CAN, IF YOU HAVE GENERAL COMMENTS, YOU COULD ADDRESS ALL OF US. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN, WE ALL HEAR YOU CLEARLY, SO WE'RE ALL FOCUSED ON YOU AT THE MOMENT. 
          SO, WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE PROJECT DONE. 
          I FEEL AS A LICENSED CONTRACTOR, I HAVE A DUTY TO THE HOMEOWNER, THE TAXPAYER, WHO IS A PART OF THIS WHOLE SYSTEM THAT, UH, THIS WHOLE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE DOING HERE. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FOR A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD PRODUCTIVELY WITH A PRODUCT THAT MEETS THEIR NEEDS SO THEY CAN ENJOY THEIR HISTORIC HOME AND IMPROVE IT. 
          AND THAT ALSO FITS WITH THE, UH, UDC WE'RE WORKING WITH HERE. 
          IS IT UNIVERSITY RIGHT? UDC? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT BOOK. 
          SO, 
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SO THAT, THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          AND SO WE, UM, WE FOLLOW THE UDC GUIDELINES, UM, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF, STAFF, YOU KNOW, LIVES, READS AND EATS, YOU KNOW, THE UDC AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          SO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU ARE IN RELATION TO THAT GUIDELINE. 
          SO IT PROBABLY WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, YOU KNOW, AS THE CONTRACTOR THAT YOU WERE SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH IT BECAUSE WHAT THE HOMEOWNER WANTS AND THEN WHAT HISTORICAL GUIDELINES ARE A LOT OF TIMES DON'T MESH SURE. 
          TOGETHER. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE, SO I'VE HEARD THIS TODAY,  TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          SO, UM, VICE CHAIR FESSOR, DO YOU HAVE OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? WELL, NO, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA RECOMMEND WE MAY MOVE TO A DRC OR SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN GIVE SOME MORE INPUT, UH, AND SOME, SOME GUIDANCE IF, IF THE, SO IN, IN THE BUILDING, UH, INSPECTION, UH, YEAH. 
          IN MY WORLD WE HAVE, UH, ONE MOMENT PLEASE, SIR. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          IF YOU WANNA CRAFT THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION. 
          WELL, I, I, I'M, I'M WONDERING IF THE APPLICANT'S IS APPLICABLE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO. 
          I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT IN, IN MY WORLD, WE HAVE LIKE A PRE PRELIMINARY PLAN REVIEW, UH, BEFORE WE SUBMIT FOR PERMITTING DOWN AT THE CITY, IS THAT THIS DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A VERY CREATIVE SPACE TO, TO TALK ABOUT DESIGN EXACTLY. 
          THIS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS DESIGN FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, RIGHT. 
          AND HISTORICAL IMPACT. 
          SO IT'S MORE, UH, THE, DID YOUR ARCHITECT MAKE THIS OR IS THIS, THERE'S A DESIGNER INVOLVED, THERE'S A DESIGNER INVOLVED. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM IS FROM A DESIGN ASPECT, RIGHT. 
          TO KIND OF SHRINK IT DOWN. 
          I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF DESIGN MEETINGS AND THIS FEELS REALLY HOSTILE FOR DESIGN MEETINGS. 
          . 
          WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S GUIDELINES. 
          THIS FEELS MORE LIKE PEOPLE FROM AN IVORY TOWER SHOOTING DOWN EVERYBODY'S IDEAS. 
          SO NOT REALLY CONSTRUCTIVE AND CREATIVE AND HELPFUL. 
          SO THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES ARE THE LEFT AND RIGHT LIMITS. 
          SO DRC I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          YEAH, SO, SO THE DRC IS IS IS LIKE A, A, AN INFORMAL COMMISSION WHERE YOU WOULD, WE'D GET ONLINE AND WE'D LOOK AT THE PLANS, WE'D BE ABLE TO TALK A LITTLE MORE FREELY AND YOU CAN TAKE SOME INPUT FROM SOME OF THE MEMBERS ON, ON, ON THE BOARD AS TO WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE GUIDELINES AND GIVEN WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT YOU'VE, YOU BROUGHT TO THE TABLE CERTAINLY. 
          AND KIND OF NARROW IT DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S 30 TO 45 MINUTES AND YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO COME, BRING, BRING THE NOTES AND SOME OF THE GUYS HERE WILL SHOW UP AND KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH AND IT'S A LOT MORE INFORMAL. 
          IT'S, IT'S A LOT MORE INFORMAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF TAKE SOME OF THOSE IDEAS AND INCORPORATE 'EM, REHASH THIS, AND THEN COME BACK AND PROBABLY HAVE A CERTAINLY BETTER, BETTER OUTCOME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, IF YOU, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL? OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          AND, AND HOPEFULLY THE HOMEOWNER WOULD BE WILLING TO JOIN A TRC, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE MOST IMPORTANT. 
          SURE. 
          YOU'RE THE GUY THAT'S GONNA DO THE WORK, BUT WE NEED THE HOMEOWNER TO GIVE THE, HEY, I WANT THIS IN THERE, I WANT THAT, UH, THE PERSON WHO'S ULTIMATELY GONNA PAY YOU AND TO DO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD BE ON THERE. 
          UM, BUT GUESSTIMATING, DO YOU THINK THE HOMEOWNER WOULD BE OPEN TO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT'S OVER THE DRIVEWAY SIDE? IN WHAT REGARD? LIKE WHAT, LIKE WHAT, UH, UH, VICE CHAIR FETZER WAS MENTIONING, UH, PUTTING SOMETHING SIMILAR MUELLER OH, HELP ME OUT WITH THE DON'T TERMINOLOGY HERE. 
          I DON'T, WELL I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT'S A REAL ROOF. 
          I'VE BEEN TO THE HOUSE MANY TIMES AND I'VE WALKED UNDERNEATH THERE, BUT I DON'T RECALL IF THAT'S A ROOF STRUCTURE OR IF THAT'S JUST SOME SLATS. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU SIT DOWN HERE OUTDOOR PATIO IN THE RAIN AND YOU JUST, THAT'S NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING FOR COVER. 
          IT'S A COVERED PATIO WAS THE INTENT. 
          SO IF WE COULD SLIM LINE EVERYTHING AND, AND, AND GET IT TO LOOK MORE LIKE THAT, I'M, I'M CERTAINLY, LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS THE REASON FOR GOING WITH A FLAT ROOF RATHER THAN A PITCHED ROOF WOULD HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF THREE ON 12, FOUR ON 12 AND WOULD CREATE A LARGER STRUCTURE. 
          I THOUGHT SO. 
          SURE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY A DRC KNOWN AS A DESIGN REVIEW, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING, THANK YOU, WOULD HELP IN THIS INSTANCE. 
          AND IT WOULD LET US KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU, WITH THE HOMEOWNER, WHOEVER MM-HMM. 
          , UM, IS TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR A DESIGN THAT YOU WANT. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          PROFESSOR, YOU HAD SOMETHING? ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          UH, JUST WONDERING, UM, SINCE THE APPLICANT IS, IS WILLING TO DO A DRC AND THERE'S, UH, CERTAIN EXISTING DESIGN ELEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY, WHETHER THIS SHOULD BE A, A SITE DRC, WHERE, UM, A FEW OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD COME OUT AND MEET WITH YOU AND THE HOMEOWNER ON SITE. 
          MM-HMM,  SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE, THE PARTICULAR DETAILS OF THIS LITTLE PERGOLA OVER THE GARAGE. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE. 
          THERE'S SOME, SOME SITUATIONS BEHIND THAT, THAT LITTLE WALL THERE THAT, LIKE I SAID, TYING INTO THE STRUCTURE, SOME OF THESE SUGGESTIONS ARE LIKE STRANGELY NOT CONSTRUCTION SOUND. 
          SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO A SITE DRC SECOND, THINK IT'S BEEN MOVED IMPROPERLY. 
          SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL HALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
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EVA? AYE. 
          VASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, THE NEXT STEP IS SIR, UM, WE'LL GIVE A, WE'LL GIVE A STAFF AND THEN WE WILL SET UP A, A SITE DRC TO COME OUT TO VIEW THE PROPERTY AND THEN, UM, PROVIDE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AT THAT POINT. 
          SO WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE TURNAROUND? WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE TURNAROUND FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WHEN CAN WE EXPECT TO MOVE FORWARD? WE HAVE DRCS NEXT WEEK AND THEN YOU'LL BE ON THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA FOR THE FOLLOWING HDRC HEARING ON, UH, MARCH 20TH. 
          SO YOU WOULD HAVE A MEETING NEXT TUESDAY, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT HEARING BACK HERE, THE FOLLOWING WEDNESDAY ON THE 20TH, DOES THIS CONTINUE, IS THIS LIKE A THREE WEEK CYCLE OR WHAT IS WITH THE HEARINGS? THE, THE FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH. 
          FIRST 30 MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'LL, I'M JESSICA, I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, AFTER THIS WITH INSTRUCTIONS AND SOME SUGGESTED TIMES FOR THAT MEETING AS WELL. 
          SO YOU CAN WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND JESSICA, YOU'LL GET THE GUIDELINES TO THE DESIGNER AND WHATNOT. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          BESIDES UDC, WAS THERE ANOTHER, THERE WAS ANOTHER, UM, PUBLICATION LISTED I THOUGHT. 
          HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDE. 
          HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT AVAILABLE PUBLICLY? ONLINE STAFF WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          APPRECIATE YOU. 
          YEAH, THANKS. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          ITEM 16 PLEASE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 8 4 5 11 MISSION STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE. 
          INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL WROUGHT IRON FRONT YARD FENCE, AND TWO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL WR WROUGHT IRON SWINGING GATE AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY OVER THE DRIVEWAY. 
          ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED PEDESTRIAN GATE AND FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE HDRC AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE PEDESTRIAN GATE AND FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14. 
          ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE VEHICLE GATE BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE VEHICLE GATE BE RECESSED FROM THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE AND DOES NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE HDRC AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE VEHICLE GATE AND FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14. 
          AS YOU'LL SEE ON PAGE 13 OF THE CASE FILE, THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM OUR, UM, POLICY GUIDE FOR FENCES. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT SAYS VEHICLE GATES. 
          VEHICLE GATES SHOULD BE SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE PLANE OF THE HOUSE AND NOT SPAN ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          A FRONT VEHICLE GATE MAY BE CONSIDERED IF THE SITE FEATURES AN ATYPICAL CONDITION, INCLUDING A, A WRAPAROUND PORCH, B IN NARROW DRIVEWAY LESS THAN 10 FEET WIDE, AND OR C FRONT DRIVEWAYS, ABUTTING REAR YARDS OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          AND THESE CONDITIONS DO NOT EXIST ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, WARREN DECKARD, IS WITH US IN PERSON TO PROTEST ITEM, THE ITEM TWO STIPULATION AGAINST THE FRONT DRIVEWAY, UH, GATE. 
          IS THIS ON? IT'S GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING, I GUESS AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, I, UH, SIR, SIR, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M WARREN DECKARD, SOMETIMES KNOWN AS PHILIP DECKARD, ALSO KNOWN AS . 
          I GO BY MY MIDDLE NAME, BUT MY OFFICIAL FIRST NAME IS PHILIP. 
          BUT ANYWAY, UM, THE ISSUE WITH PUTTING THE VEHICLE GATE PARALLEL WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS WE HAVE TWO AUTOMOBILES AND ONLY ONE WOULD FIT BEHIND THE GATE. 
          AND, UM, THAT IS ALSO AN ISSUE. 
          ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, MY TRUCK, MY NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES, OUR TRUCKS WERE BROKEN INTO, AND MY TRUCK, SOMEBODY CAME ALONG AND THE SAME NIGHT AND SMASHED THE RIGHT REAR TAILLIGHT, AND WHICH IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW TRUCK, AND SO THAT TAILLIGHT'S ABOUT 1100 BUCKS. 
          I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT. 
          IT'S RIDICULOUS, BUT, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES. 
          UH, UH, WITH THAT, UM, WE LIVE WHERE OUR HOUSE IS AT FIVE 11. 
          MISSION IS JUST AT THE CURVE WHEN IT TAKES A LITTLE TURN. 
          AND FROM WHERE WE ARE UP TO KY OR UP TO PURITA, THERE'S EIGHT HOMES THAT HAVE, UH, FENCES THAT, THAT GO ALL THE WAY ON THE, AND THE AUTO GATE IS AT THE STREET OR AT THE SIDEWALK? UM, ONE JUST ACROSS FROM ME AND UP TOWARDS PURITA, I THINK IT'S 3 26. 
          THAT FENCE WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTED IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, AND IT HAS A, A GATE, VEHICLE GATE AT THE SIDEWALK. 
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I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION OVER ON, UM, UH, ADAMS STREET TOWARDS THE SCHOOL THAT, UH, JUST INSTALLED A NEW FENCE WITH THE VEHICLE GATE AT THE SIDEWALK. 
          AND I THINK THAT WAS APPROVED HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I THINK, OR AT THE LAST MEETING AS I REMEMBER. 
          AND, UM, IN MY AREA FROM THAT PLACE, THERE'S, DID I SAY THIS? I THINK I DID. 
          THERE'S EIGHT PLACES THAT HAVE THOSE GATES WITH IT AT THE STREET. 
          UH, ONE IS THREE DOORS UP, FOUR DOORS UP FROM ME. 
          THAT WAS, UM, I TRIED TO BUY THAT HOUSE AND MISSED OUT ON IT, BUT IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW ONE AS WELL. 
          THEY JUST DID A BIG REMODEL AND, UM, BEFORE WE MOVED HERE. 
          BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW, UM, FENCE ALSO, ALL THE OTHER PARAMETERS, THE FOUR FOOT HEIGHT, THAT'S THE HEIGHT WE REQUESTED, AND ALL OF IT WOULD BE REMAIN THAT THAT HEIGHT WOULD BE INSTALLED IN THE PROPERTY LINE AND ALL THAT. 
          SO, AND I KNOW, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UM, THE, UH, UM, KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION RECOMMENDED THAT THIS APPROVAL BE, OR THIS PROPOSAL BE ACCEPTED, SO LET'S JUST GET IT OVER WITH . 
          AND WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL THAT I COMPLAIN OF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, SO THAT'S, I THINK IT, IT JUST WOULD WORK BETTER TO HAVE IT FROM ALSO I THINK A PERSPECTIVE OF, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK BETTER, BUT THAT'S BEEN GIVEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LEGAL PLAINTIFF VOICEMAIL. 
          HI, MY NAME IS LISA LIN, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING FIVE 11 MISSION CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 0 8 4. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE OHP STAFF SETTING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS. 
          MOST OF THE DRIVEWAY GATES IN KING WILLIAM ARE LOCATED AT THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. 
          NUMEROUS APPLICATIONS FOR DRIVEWAY GATES LOCATED AT THE FRONT DRIVEWAY HAVE BEEN APPROVED. 
          WE RECOMMEND THAT THIS APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          READY FOR A MOTION? UM, AND ANY MORE VOICEMAILS? THAT WAS IT. 
          JUST THE ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, GO AHEAD, SIR. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          I MOVE THAT THIS APPLICATION BE APPROVED WITH STATUTE OF EVALUATIONS, MINUS THAT THE VEHICLE GATE BE RECESSED FROM THE FRONT FACADE, ALLOWING THE APPLICANT TO PUT, UH, THE, UH, FRONT GATE, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THE, UH, UM, WHAT THE, UH, I'M GETTING LOST HERE. 
          THE ASSOCIATION RECOMMENDS THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY, SIR. 
          UM, CHAIRMAN, UM, I'M GOING TO NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES HAVE, UH, DRIVEWAY GATES THAT ARE AT THE FRONT EDGE OF, UH, THEIR STRUCTURES AND NOT, UH, OUT AT THE, UH, THE, THE SIDEWALK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO, AND MR. CHAIR, I JUST, I I, I TOTALLY RESPECT, UH, COMMISSIONER FETZER. 
          UH, AND, AND I JUST THINK THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT THE SIGN OF THE TIMES. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THE ASSOCIATION, I THINK IS, IS HIT TO WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON THERE LATELY WITH THE VEHICLES GETTING BROKEN INTO, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE LEANING FORWARD AND TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF STANDARDIZATION. 
          I HOPE THEY PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED STANDARD STANDARDIZATION IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD HELP ADJUST OUR GUIDELINES. 
          BUT I THINK, UH, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I THINK THIS IS JUST A SIGN OF THE TIME THAT WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          SO, SIR, UM, WITH YOUR APPLICATION, I, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER HERE. 
          I, I NORMALLY WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, NO, AND I WOULDN'T SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, AND THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE VERY DETAILED AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY AGREE WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT VICE CHAIR FETZER'S, UM, RECOMMENDATION AS WELL, BECAUSE THE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT TO THAT, UM, LEVEL OF DEGREE. 
          SO, UM, WELL, WHAT THOSE, UH, THE PROPERTY TO MY LEFT IS THEY'VE OWNED THAT PROPERTY FOR 27 YEARS, AND I ONLY SEE THEY PARK ON THE STREET. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVEN HAVE A DRIVEWAY. 
          THEY HAVE A, HAVE A JEEP THAT THEY PARK IN A DRIVEWAY, BUT THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A GATE FOR THEM TO PARK BEHIND. 
          THE ONE ON THE, TO THE RIGHT OF ME 
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IS A VERY OLD, OLD HOME, VERY MUCH IN DISREPAIR THAT, UH, APPARENTLY THE LADY HAS, UH, ALZHEIMER'S. 
          THEY'RE VERY NICE PEOPLE, BY THE WAY. 
          UH, ALZHEIMER'S OR SOMETHING. 
          SO I THINK IT'S JUST, UH, MAYBE THAT WOULD NEVER CHANGE, BUT IT'S A, A SMALL LITTLE HOUSE AND IT'S JUST, THEY DO HAVE A GATE AT THE OPEN MANUALLY TO PARK A CAR BEHIND SOMETIMES. 
          SO, BUT JUST A FEW DOORS DOWN ARE, THERE'S THE BIG PROPERTY THAT WAS RESTORED. 
          IT HAS A, HAS THE GATE AND ALL THROUGH THE KING WILLIAM. 
          YOU GO TO THE BIGGER AREAS ACROSS, UH, SOUTH, UM, ALAMO ON THE OTHER SIDE, ALMOST ALL OF THOSE HAVE, UH, VEHICLE GATES AT THE STREET. 
          SO, THANK YOU, SIR. 
          YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I MADE COMMENT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, JUST A COMMENT. 
          UM, I'LL LET ECHO WHAT THE CHAIR MENTIONED. 
          I'LL TYPICALLY, UM, ADVOCATE FOR THIS KIND OF THING TO BE AT THE FAC IN LINE WITH THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          BUT JUST BECAUSE OF YOUR CIRCUMSTANCE, I, I'D AGREE WITH THE ASSOCIATION AND, UM, APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          GALLOWAY. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          GIDA. 
          AYE. 
          VASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER, NAY AND GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          APPRECIATE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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