* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. DO WE HAVE [00:00:01] QUORUM? YES, WE DO. YES. [8:30 A.M. - Call to Order] GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER ON MARCH 22ND AT 8:33 AM AT THIS TIME. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE ROLL CALL FLORES. HERE, REGARD HERE. SETZER. HERE. FULLERTON SMITH. HERE. VASQUEZ PRESENT. SEPULVEDA PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. I'D ALSO LIKE TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING, COREY. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNO ADVISORY BOARD? UM, NO. IF YOU JUST WANNA READ THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT. OKAY. MOVING FORWARD, AS THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JUANITA SEPULVEDA CHAIRWOMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JUAN VASQUEZ. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICANTS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDANCE AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEPLOYMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM IN TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP IN THE PUBLIC COMMITMENT, UH, COMMENTS SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP IF YOU ARE AT THE, IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATION OF FOR, OR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME OF THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO REPRESENT, TO RESPOND TO FURTHER DECISIONS. APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMITS. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. MM-HMM. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE, THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THIS OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIMES, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONES AND STAFF. DO WE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? UM, NO. JUST GOOD MORNING. UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 23RD AT THIS [ Approval of Minutes  ] TIME FOR THEIR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE 23RD, PLEASE, AS THEY WERE DISTRIBUTED. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, AMENDMENTS, HEARING NONE. I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MOTION TO THERE IS CURRENTLY A MOTION OF, UH, TO APPROVE MINUTES AND A SECOND. ALL THAT'S IN FAVOR. DO SO BY A NAME ROLL. UH, YEAH. WE CAN DO ROLL CALL, UH, FLORES. ROLL CALL HERE. UH, AYE. IN REGARD? AYE. SETZER AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ, AYEDA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, WE CAN DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN HERE. UM, WE [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.   ] WILL BEGIN WITH OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE JUST THREE ITEMS. UM, AND JUST NOTE THAT THERE'S A LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS FOR THE FIRST ITEM. ONE 15 WEST ATCH. WE HAVE NO OTHER, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKERS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THOSE ITEMS. THANK YOU. SO, AS WE MOVE ON TO THE CONSENTED ITEM, CAN WE LISTEN TO ITEM NUMBER ONE? WE DON'T NORMALLY READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD. WE'LL JUST TAKE A, A MOTION FOR THE, UH, SUM OF THE CONSENT ITEMS. [00:05:01] I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT ITEMS. SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. CURRENTLY THERE IS A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT ITEMS. AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WILL VOTE BY ROLL CALL PLEASE. YES, FLORES. AYE. REGARD? AYE. SET, SIR. AYE SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. SEPULVEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS ONE 15 WEST ATCH, 1 26 MAGNOLIA AND 6 77 EAST WOODLAWN. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. UH, COMMISSIONERS. [ INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AGENDA. UH, WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, WHICH IS TWO 15 MUNCIE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 1 0 8. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO, ONE, REMOVE THE EXISTING GREEN PAINT THROUGH POWER WASHING THE BRICK FACADE AND THE PAINT THE STRUCTURE. TWO, TO REPLACE EIGHT ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS. THREE, TO MODIFY ONE WINDOW OPENING ON THE NORTH FACADE. FOUR, TO REPLACE TWO NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS IN A REAR ADDITION ON THE NORTH FACADE. FIVE TO CREATE THREE NEW WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE NEWEST REAR. ADDITION SIX TO REPLACE AN EXISTING EXTERIOR DOOR IN THE NEWEST REAR ADDITION WITH THE VINYL DOOR. AND SEVEN, TO REMOVE ONE REAR DOOR ON THE, THE REAR THAT IS THE WEST FACADE OF THE NEWEST EDITION. UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, PRESSURE WASHING THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, FACADE AND PAINTING AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING. D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT USE A NON-ABRASIVE REMOVAL TECHNIQUE. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT EXPLORE REMOVING ALL PAINT LAYERS. IF THIS IS NOT FEASIBLE. STAFF FINDS PAINTING WITH THE PAINT DESIGNED FOR MASONRY APPLICATIONS TO BE APPROPRIATE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, THE REPLACEMENT OF EIGHT ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS WITH FINAL WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING, E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REPAIR AND REINSTALL THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS HAVE BEEN DISCARDED. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL NEWER SALVAGE WOOD WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE PROFILE OF THOSE THAT WERE REMOVED. REPLACEMENT WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO PURCHASE AN INSTALLATION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. THE MODIFICATION OF AN ORIGINAL WOOD ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING ON THE NORTH FACADE BASED ON FINDING F. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT RESTORE THIS OPENING TO ITS ORIGINAL SIZE. FOUR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE REPLACEMENT OF TWO NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS WITHIN THE REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOW SHOULD ADHERE TO THE ADOPTED STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. AND TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WINDOW BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE CREATION OF WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE NEWEST REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDING H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE OPENINGS BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. RECTANGULAR FIXED WINDOWS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. AND TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED NEW WINDOWS BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE REPLACEMENT OF AN EXISTING DOOR ON THE NEWEST REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDING I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE REPLACEMENT DOOR BE WOOD, AN APPROPRIATE IN INSTALL FOR THE VOTE VICTORIAN STYLE. AND TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT DOOR BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND FOR ITEM SEVEN, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THE REMOVAL OF AR REAR FACING DOOR ON THE NEWEST REAR EDITION AS SUBMITTED. BASED ON FINDING JAY, UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. TALEN CUNNINGHAM IS HERE IN PERSON. UM, TALEN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM NOW. UH, COMMISSIONERS. I WILL NOTE THAT THERE, UH, IS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET AND THERE IS ALSO A VOICEMAIL, UM, THAT WE'LL PLAY AFTER MR. CUNNINGHAM, UH, OPENS UP WITH COMMENTS, NAME AND ADDRESS. OKAY. UH, HELLO, MY NAME IS TAYLOR CUNNINGHAM, UM, FOR 2 1 5 MUNSEY. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. HEARING ME TODAY. I'M SORRY I'M NOT USED TO DOING STUFF LIKE THIS, SO JUST BEAR WITH ME. UM, YOUR PRESENTATION. OH, OH, YEAH, I GUESS. OH, YEAH. UM, SO COMMISSIONERS, WHAT I'LL DO IS, UH, I'LL PULL UP, UH, MR. CUNNINGHAM'S, UH, HE SUBMITTED A PRESENTATION. UH, SO WE'LL WALK THROUGH THAT. AND THE COMMISSIONERS, I WILL INDIVIDUALLY WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, EACH OF STAFF'S INDIVIDUAL RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT WE CAN ALL GET AN UNDERSTANDING. MM-HMM. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF INTRODUCE MYSELF AND, UM, KIND OF GIVE OUR STORY, UH, MYSELF [00:10:01] AND MY WIFE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANTED TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. UM, BORN AND RAISED SAN ANTONIO. UH, MY FATHER, MY UNCLE, UM, BOTH LIVED ON THE EAST SIDE. I PLAYED BASKETBALL AT THE DAVID SCOTT WHITE CA IN THE SPURS LEAGUE. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I HAVE MY ROOTS RUN PRETTY DEEP. MY GRANDPARENTS USED TO DANCE AT, UH, TUCKER'S. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE EAST SIDE, A LOT OF FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS. UH, AND I JUST, I REMEMBER THE EAST SIDE WHEN IT WAS MUCH WORSE THAN IT IS NOW. AND, UH, THE NEGLECT. AND, UH, OH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, BECAUSE OF REDLINING, A LOT OF MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS HAD TO LIVE OVER THERE. UM, I DID LEAVE ON SAN ANTONIO ONLY FOR FOUR YEARS TO GO TO AUSTIN FOR SCHOOL, BUT I DECIDED TO COME BACK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, MY WIFE AND I WORKED IN SAVED IN CHINA TO JUST BUY A HOUSE, AND I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE EAST SIDE, UM, TO TRY TO BE A PART OF THAT COMMUNITY. UM, IN DOING SO, UM, WE MADE AN INTERESTING DECISION THAT A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES AND THAT I'VE TRIED TO PUSH TO, TO, TO JOIN US, WOULD, WOULD NOT AGREE WITH. UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE CURRENT STATE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY. UM, AND, UH, IF, IF YOU WOULD, I, I'D LIKE TO, IF YOU WANNA FORWARD YOU OH, OKAY. UM, SO YEAH, JUST, THAT WAS JUST MY INTRODUCTION. SO IT'S JUST, UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE HOUSES THAT ARE DIRECTLY NEAR ME. UM, I TOOK ALL OF THESE YESTERDAY, JUST, UH, WALKING MY STREET. UM, AND I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SHOW WHAT WE I'M DEALING WITH. UM, AND THIS IS MY ACTUAL BLOCK, UH, STARTING WITH THIS BLUE HOUSE. UM, I, I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE PRECEDENT IS. UH, I DO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THESE BLACK METAL, UM, STRUCTURES OVER THEIR WINDOWS. UH, I CAN'T TELL WHAT TYPE OF WINDOWS THEY HAVE UNDERNEATH THERE, IF THAT'S AN OPTION. I'M WILLING TO ALSO GO WITH ANYTHING THAT MAY BE LIKE A SCREEN OR COVER. UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, JUST AN, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, UM, IS THIS HOUSE. AND THEN THERE'S AN ABANDONED LOT WHERE PEOPLE LEAVE THEIR TRASH TO COME GET PICKED UP, BUT THEN THEY LEAVE THOSE TRASH CANS OUT. AND THE PACK OF DOGS THAT IS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I, I'M NOT EXAGGERATING, THERE ARE FIVE. UM, THEY AND THE HOMELESS PEOPLE GO THROUGH THAT TRASH AND LEAVE IT THERE. UM, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER LOT WHICH DOES HAVE A FENCE AT LEAST, WHICH DETERS SOME OF THE HOMELESS PEOPLE, BUT IT'S OVERGROWN. UM, AND THEN THERE'S MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR RIGHT HERE. UM, SHE DOES TAKE CARE OF IT. SHE'S A, A WONDERFUL NEIGHBOR. HOWEVER, SHE ALSO DOES NOT HAVE HER ORIGINAL WINDOWS. UM, THIS IS THE HOUSE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. UM, ALSO NOT ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. UM, THAT'S THE GRAY HOUSE THAT I DO ENJOY. THOSE NEIGHBORS AS WELL. BUT, UM, THAT IS, THOSE ARE NOT THE, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS. UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THE HOUSE THAT IS, UM, DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT HOUSE THAT IS COMPLETELY DILAPIDATED. UM, HOMELESS PEOPLE RUN ROAM THROUGH THERE. THOSE ARE TWO OF THE FIVE DOGS THAT RUN RAMPANT. AND, UH, THERE ARE TWO CARS THAT HAVE BEEN PARKED THERE SINCE WE'VE PURCHASED OUR HOME BACK IN MAY OF 2023. UM, DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT HOUSE. IS THIS HOUSE TO THE RIGHT, ALSO ABANDONED, UM, DILAPIDATED. UH, AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT THOSE, THOSE ARE VINYL WINDOWS IN THAT HOME AS WELL. UM, THAT IS MISSING HALF OF A ROOF AND IS JUST A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THESE ARE HOUSES DIRECTLY. UH, AND LIKE I SAID, I TOOK THESE YESTERDAY. I HAVE A VIDEO I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD PLAY, UM, HERE, BUT THAT IS A HOMELESS PERSON GOING INTO THAT H HOUSE ON THE LEFT. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE EXPERIENCE REGULARLY. AND THEN THAT'S THE HOUSE THAT'S NEXT TO ME. UM, THAT BLUE ONE IN WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COUNTLESS PEOPLE LIVE THERE. IT IS ALSO RUNDOWN. UM, WE, UH, IF YOU GO A COUPLE STREETS IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, AND THIS IS JUST TO, UH, NOT AN INDICTMENT, JUST TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND MORE OF THE, THE ACTUAL GOAL, UH, UM, OF, OF THIS C COMMITTEE AND, AND US AS CITIZENS IN SAN ANTONIO. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT MY WIFE AND I JUST WANT TO TRY AND REVITALIZE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS NEGLECTED FOR SO LONG WITH, UM, ACTUAL HUMAN BEINGS LIVING THERE, NOT DEVELOPERS, UM, BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE THIS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THRIVE JUST [00:15:01] LIKE YOU DO. UM, I THINK THERE ARE SOME BARRIERS TO ENTRY THERE, THAT BEING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE WINDOWS, AND I'LL GET INTO THE COST THAT WE CAME ACROSS WITH, UH, WITH THAT. UM, BUT IF IT'S ALSO THE IDEA OF JUST KEEPING IT LOOKING A CERTAIN WAY, UH, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, 0.25 MILES AWAY FROM MY HOME, UH, ABOUT THREE STREETS AWAY. UM, ALSO, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS AN, ALL OF THESE ARE LESS THAN 0.3 MILES AWAY. WE'RE TALKING FOUR, THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS AWAY. UM, AND THEY ARE JUST NOT IN THE SAME, UH, STYLE. UM, SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. UM, IF IT'S A MATTER OF TOO GREAT OF A JUXTA JUXTAPOSITION FOR MY, YOU KNOW, EIGHT VINYL WINDOWS TO THESE HISTORIC HOMES, I, THESE VERY, UH, MODERN HOMES RIGHT NEXT TO VICTORIAN CELL HOMES, TO ME, ARE MUCH MORE DISTRACTING. UM, I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ARGUE SOME ECA, SOME ECONOMIC, UM, HARDSHIP, UNDUE HARDSHIP. I, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE, UH, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO TRY AND BRING THIS HOME BACK TO LIFE. IT'S COST ENTIRELY, MUCH MORE THAN WE THOUGHT WE IT WAS GOING TO. UM, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF I DID, BECAUSE IT'S THROUGH, UM, PRIME LENDING. IT'S AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT. I HAD TO BLOOD OUT SOME NUMBERS. BUT WE HAVE SPENT, UM, ALMOST $200,000 JUST TO MAKE IT LIVABLE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AMENITIES OR ANYTHING NICE. UM, THIS IS GOING INTO THIS HOME, FINDING OUT EVERYTHING THAT THESE FLIPPERS AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, THIS EXCHANGED HANDS THROUGH FLIPPERS AND INVESTORS AT LEAST THREE TIMES BEFORE MY WIFE AND I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. UM, THEY DID ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE WORK, UH, THAT WE HAD TO THEN REMEDY OURSELVES. AND THIS COST JUST KEPT PILING ON AND ON AND ON. UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT, UH, DID PLAY A ROLE IN OUR DECISION TO, HAS HASTILY, UH, GET OUR VINYL WINDOWS. WE TRIED TO PUT IT OFF AS LONG AS WE COULD, UM, TO SEE THAT WE HAD THE MONEY TO TRY AND REPAIR THEM. UM, BUT IT JUST DID NOT HAPPEN. UH, I ALSO HAVE, UH, MR. HALL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN YOU, UH, ZOOM OUT ON THAT , UM, ADDITIONAL WORK I HAD TO DO OUTSIDE OF JUST MY BANK FUNDING, UM, JUST TO TRY TO GET THINGS BACK TO A LIVABLE STATE, BECAUSE THE WORK THAT WAS DONE, NO ONE, IT'S SEEMINGLY NO ONE WAS WATCHING, OR THERE WAS NO OVERSIGHT WHATSOEVER. UM, BECAUSE NOT ONLY WAS THE ELECTRICAL THAT WAS ALLEGEDLY DONE, DONE INCORRECTLY AND OUTTA CODE, ALMOST EVERY ASPECT, THE PLUMBING HAD TO BE COMPLETELY REDONE. THE ELECTRICAL, UM, FLOOR JOISTS, UH, THE ADDITIONS THAT WERE BUILT, I'M SURE WITHOUT THE ANY REGULATION, UM, OR DONE INCORRECTLY, WE HAD TO SPEND A LOT TO JUST TRY AND BRING THIS HOME BACK TO LIFE TO MAKE IT LIVABLE AND UP TO CODE. AND WE'VE DONE THAT. UM, UH, AND YEAH, UH, ANOTHER BILL. SO AGAIN, UH, AND NONE OF THESE, AND NONE OF THIS IS EVEN JUST LIKE I SAID, ANYTHING LIKE A STOVE OR DISHWASHER. THIS IS ALL STUFF WE HAD TO DO, JUST STRUCTURAL THINGS. UM, ROOF DECKING, FOUNDATION, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING FRAMING, UM, FRAMING FOR THE INTERIOR WALLS, SUBFLOOR SUB, UH, FLOOR JOISTS, STRUCTURAL WORK, UH, WOOD ROT TYPES OF FLOOR DAMAGE. UM, AND ALL THAT BEING SAID, WHEN I HAD A, UH, I REACHED OUT TO TWO INDIVIDUALS, UM, OR TWO COMPANIES RATHER, FOR QUOTES ON REPAIRING THE WOOD WINDOWS. UM, I GOT A MINIMUM OF $3,000 PER WINDOW. SO THAT'S JUST A BASE PRICE OF $24,000 FOR THE EIGHT WINDOWS THAT WERE JUST THE WOOD WINDOWS. UM, ONE OF THE REPAIRMEN THAT ACTUALLY CAME OUT, UM, SAID THAT IT MADE NO FINANCIAL SENSE AND IT COULD COST $5,000 A WINDOW. UH, AND THERE WERE SOME EVIDENCES THAT PARTS OF THE WINDOWS WERE NOT ORIGINAL. UM, AT THAT POINT, GIVEN ALL, ALL THAT WE HAD ALREADY EXPERIENCED, UM, WE KIND OF HAD TO START, MAKE A DECISION. UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY. WE HAD OUR FIRST BREAK IN ON THE 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND, AND THEN ANOTHER BREAK IN WHICH WE HAD TO ACTUALLY CALL, UM, SAPD ON NOVEMBER 19TH. UM, AND THAT'S THE CASE NUMBER. [00:20:01] ALL THAT BEING SAID, UM, FOR OUR SAFETY AND, UH, FOR OUR ECONOMIC REASONS, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WENT WITH VINYL WINDOWS, UM, AFTER, AND AGAIN, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISUNDERSTANDING. I THOUGHT THAT AFTER I BROUGHT OUT THE, UM, WINDOW REPAIR PEOPLE AFTER HIS STATEMENT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ENOUGH. UM, AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THAT IS IGNORANCE ON MY PART. I KNOW THAT, UM, IN REVIEWING, UM, A LETTER THAT WAS SENT BY SOME ORGANIZATION, UM, THEY BELIEVE THERE'S PRE PRECEDENCE THAT OF OUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS, OF THE, UM, UH, UH, OF THE PROCEDURES. BUT I WILL SAY, FORTUNATELY, UM, WHATEVER WAS PRESENTED FOR APPROVAL PREVIOUSLY WAS DONE THROUGH MY ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR. SO I WAS NOT ACTUALLY AWARE OF THAT PROCESS, UM, UNTIL ALL THIS KIND OF CAME TO PASS. UM, I THOUGHT MEETING CLAUDIA AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL THAT CAME OUT AND IT WAS BASICALLY LIKE, HEY, THIS IS, UM, NOT PRACTICAL. I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. SO, UM, BASICALLY MY WIFE AND I ARE ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE ON AND TRY TO RESTORE THIS HOUSE AND RESTORE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE, UM, THIS HOUSE BEEN FLOATING AROUND SINCE BEFORE 20, I THINK 2018, AND EXCHANGED, I THINK BETWEEN FOUR DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS. UM, THAT'S TERRIBLE FOR A COMMUNITY. AND I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND HELP BUILD IT AND GROW IT AND STOP THE HOMELESSNESS. UM, OR RATHER THE VA VAGRANCY AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, BUILD THE EAST SIDE BACKUP. AND THAT'S WHAT I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS CONSIDER IN, UH, IN THESE APPROVALS BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY WE JUST DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO, UM, REPLACE OUR WINDOWS AT THIS TIME. UM, SINCE WE HAVE ALREADY REPLACED THEM. AND, UH, THAT, THAT IS MY TIME COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, THERE'S A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET. THAT LETTER IS A SUMMARY OR VERBATIM OF THE VOICEMAIL THAT'LL BE PLAYED NOW. HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS, CHAIR OF THE DIGNITY HILL ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON HCRC CASE 20 24 1 0 8. SINCE THE APPLICANTS HAD RECEIVED PRIOR APPROVAL FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR IN-KIND, BRICK REPAIR AND ROOF REPLACEMENT, THEY KNEW THIS PROPERTY WAS IN A DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND WE CAN ONLY ASSUME THEY KNEW NOTHING COULD BE DONE TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE WITHOUT PRIOR APPROVAL BY OHP AND HDRC BECAUSE OF HIS PRIOR KNOWLEDGE. WE AGREE WITH ALL OF O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS, ESPECIALLY FINDINGS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, WHICH INCLUDE THE STIPULATIONS FOR PAINTING THE HOUSE, THE REPLACEMENT AND INSTALLATION OF WOOD WINDOWS TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL PROFILE. AND THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING ON THE NORTH FACADE SHOULD BE RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL SIZE AND A WOOD WINDOW BE INSTALLED. THE REMOVAL OF WOOD WINDOWS HAS LONG BEEN A PARTICULAR ISSUE WITHIN ALL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND LENIENCY SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN IN THIS CASE AS IT WILL SET PRESENT FOR ALL FUTURE CASES, NO MATTER WHAT HISTORIC DISTRICT THEY FALL IN. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UM, WE CAN WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE, UH, ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY. UM, I'LL GIVE SOME STAFF OVERVIEW, UM, A REVIEW OF OUR GUIDELINES, AND THEN IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE NORMAL COMMISSIONER TIME WITH QUESTIONS AND YOU CAN DIRECT THOSE TO MR. CUNNINGHAM OR TO STAFF IF NEEDED. UH, SO FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, I'LL ACTUALLY GO UP A PHOTO. UH, THIS IS A LISTING PHOTO FROM APPROXIMATELY 2018. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ORIGINAL BRICK FACADE WAS PAINTED AT THAT TIME. UH, SINCE THAT TIME, UH, THE BRICK FACADE HAS BEEN PAINTED AGAIN, UH, I BELIEVE THAT PAINT PAINTING WAS DONE WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UH, AS MR. CUNNINGHAM HAS NOTED, UH, THE PAINTING WAS DONE, UH, IN A WAY THAT THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE OR NOT DONE CORRECTLY. UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTO HERE, THE PAINTING IS PEELING. UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, IS THE GUIDELINES GENERALLY DIRECT APPLICANTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS, THAT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE PAINT AND TO RESTORE, UH, THE BRICK FACADE UNDERNEATH THAT, THAT SHOULD BE DONE. UM, STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERN IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE IS THE HIGH PRESSURE WASHING OF THE BRICK. UM, THAT'LL ESSENTIALLY REMOVE THE BRICK FACE, UH, AND THEN BRICK IS VERY POROUS AND, AND, UH, AND WEAK UNDERNEATH THE BRICK FACE. AND SO THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY ERODE THE FACADE OVER TIME. UH, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, IS, UH, IF THE APPLICANT CANNOT REMOVE PAINT COMPLETELY TO RESTORE THE BRICK, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PAINTING, BUT THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, REMOVE THE GREEN COLOR, [00:25:01] UH, AND THEN PAINT WITH THE PAINT THAT WOULD BE MORE, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR A BRICK APPLICATION. AND THERE ARE PRODUCTS THAT ARE, UH, MEANT FOR MASONRY. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ITEM NUMBER ONE. UH, IF WE WANNA DISCUSS EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY AS I GO THROUGH 'EM, WE CAN, OR IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE A SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING AND THEN, UH, YOU PICK OUT SPECIFIC ITEMS TO DISCUSS, WE CAN DO THAT. LET ME KNOW WHICH, WHICH WAY YOU WANNA DO IT. CAN WE ADDRESS IT INDIVIDUALLY, PLEASE? YES. SO THAT WAY DO, OH, I'M SORRY. DO I NEED TO RESPOND TO THAT OR, OH, I JUST, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THE PAINT ISSUE? MADAM CHAIR, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE BRICK. SO, EDWARD, UH, I, I ASSUME YOU, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WENT ON SITE, UM, THE CONDITION OF THE BRICK. IS THERE ANYWHERE WHERE THE ORIGINAL BRICK IS EXPOSED AND THE CONDITION OF IT? UM, NO, UH, NOT THAT STAFF IS NOT, THAT STAFF IS AWARE OF. IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING FROM, UH, THE ACTUAL BRICK FACADE TO WINDOW SILLS HAS BEEN PAINTED. UM, COMMISSIONER IT, THE HOU HOUSE HAS ALSO BEEN PAINTED FOR AS, AS LONG AS STAFF HAS BEEN ABLE TO TELL. SO GOOGLE STREET VIEWS GO BACK TO 2007, UH, AND THE HOUSE WAS PAINTED IN 2007. UH, SO, UH, THERE'S NOT AN INFORMED DECISION THAT STAFF HAS TO SAY THE BRICK IS IN GOOD OR POOR CONDITION. UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO PAINT, AND WE FIND PAINT THAT GENERALLY BE APPROPRIATE. UM, MAINLY ASKING THE APPLICANT APPLICANT TO CONSIDER REMOVAL IF THAT'S FEASIBLE. IF NOT, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH PAINTING WITH THE, WITH THE STIPULATION. I THOUGHT I HAD SEEN ONE PICTURE WHERE IT LOOKED LIKE ON THE SILL, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS IN THE PACKET, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THE SILL IN OR SHOWED THAT THERE WAS LIKE A PINKISH TONE TO BRICK. AND I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WAS THE, OH, GO BACK. I, I GO BACK ONE. NO, AGAIN, I, I THINK THAT MAY JUST BE THAT THE SEALS ARE PAINTED BROWN TO OH, TO RESEMBLE A, A MORE OF A NATURAL MASONRY COLOR. SO I THINK THAT MAY BE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING. UM, HERE'S THE, YOU CAN SEE DOWN HERE BELOW, IT'S MORE OF AN ORANGE, UH, FIRED COLOR. UH, AND SO THAT'S LIKELY THE, THE COLOR OF THE ORIGINAL BRICK. UH, I CAN SPEAK ON THAT ACTUALLY. UM, IT DIFFERS 'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE THERE IT IS ORANGE. UM, AND THEN THERE A FEW GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOME, UM, WHERE AGAIN, THEY HAD TO, UH, WELL, NOT THEY, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHO DID THAT INITIALLY. UM, SOME OF THOSE BRICKS ARE ACTUALLY LIKE WHITE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CONSISTENCY FOR THE WHOLE HOME IS, BUT THERE ARE, THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THERE ARE SOME WHITE BRICKS AS WELL, OR WHITE OFF WHITE OFF WHITE BRICKS, WHICH, UM, IN MY ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS LIKE, I WAS HONESTLY SAYING LIKE, IF IT, IF IT IS THAT COLOR, LIKE WE'RE PERFECTLY FINE WITH HAVING THAT ORIGINAL WHITE-ISH OFF WHITE COLOR. UM, THAT'D BE PERFECT, BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THROUGH WHAT MIGHT BE SEVERAL LAYERS OF PAINT. UM, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT ALSO SHOWS IN MY ORIGINAL, UM, ASK, UH, WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO RESEARCH THAT WE KIND OF LOOKED AT WHAT THEY DID IN THE, IN THE UK BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE A LOT OF YEAH. BRICK BUILDINGS THAT ARE MUCH OLDER THAN ANY BUILDINGS HERE. SURE. UM, AND IT'S, UH, THE TECHNIQUE THEY USE THERE IS LOW PRESSURE, HIGH TEMPERATURE, UH, AND THAT WAS MY REQUEST, NOT I GUESS YOUR STANDARD PRESSURE WASHER. UM, AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO WORK WITH ANYBODY FOR THIS, SO, BUT I, I JUST, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO, TO TRYING THE METHOD THAT OHP RECOMMENDS FOR GENTLY REMOVING, UH, ALL THOSE LAYERS OF PAINT, UM, AS THEY RECOMMEND IN THE, UM, YEAH, A, A LOW PRESSURE, HIGH HEAT APPLICATION MAY BE APPROPRIATE. IT'S MAINLY, UH, A HIGH PRESSURE, UH, THAT, UH, APPLICATION THAT'S THE CONCERN. UH, SO THAT, THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE A SOLUTION THAT, THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND THEY DO IN EUROPE FOR ALL OF THEIR OLD BRICK BUILDINGS. SO YEAH. AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D BE OPEN TO, TO WORKING ON? YES, DEFINITELY. GREAT. THANK YOU. MR. CUNNING. I, I HAVE A QUESTION. I, AND NOT TO THIS, IS THIS GONNA BE YOUR, YOUR RESIDENTIAL HOME? YES MA'AM. OR IS THIS AN INVESTMENT? NO, NO, NO. THIS IS, UM, WHERE MY WIFE AND I ARE PLANNING ON LIVING AND STARTING VERY MUCH DEDICATED TO STAYING HERE AND, AND BUILDING PART OF BEING PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. UM, I MEAN, I KNOW IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT YEAH, WE SPENT OUR FIRST WEEK IN OUR HOME LAST WEEK, SO WE ARE THERE RIGHT NOW. UM, BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, UNFORTUNATELY A MATTER OF, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN MAY OF 2023 AND PAYING TO RENT AN APARTMENT AND A MORTGAGE WHILE TRYING TO DO [00:30:01] THIS, IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE BASICALLY HOMELESS. THANKFULLY MY GRANDMOTHER WAS ABLE TO TAKE US IN FOR THIS LAST MONTH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A STRAIN ON HER THAT WE JUST COULDN'T DO. SO WE WE'RE NOW IN THERE, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY, BUT WE'RE JUST, OUR GOAL IS TO WORK ON IT A LITTLE BY LITTLE. SO, EDWARD, IN ADDRESSING THAT ITEM NUMBER ONE, IF MR. CUNNINGHAM IS A, AN ACCEPTANCE OF FOLLOWING THAT PROCEDURE, I'M IN AGREEANCE. ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS? UM, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? UM, I JUST HAVE, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION AND I THINK IT'S BUILDING OFF THAT LAST QUESTION. ARE YOU OPEN TO GOING BACK TO WASHING IT AND CLEANING IT AND GETTING IT TO THE ORIGINAL, UM, BRICK AS OPPOSED TO PAINTING? I JUST, I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THAT. ARE YOU, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? UM, I'M NOT, NO, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. ESPECIALLY IF YOU, UM, IF THERE IS A, IF THERE'S A SHOT OF THE FRONT FACADE, THAT'D BE HELPFUL TO, UM, THE ONLY CONCERN IS WHERE, WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THERE. UM, ESPECIALLY, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN TELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN, BUT THERE ARE PARTS OF THE BRICK THAT CLEARLY, UM, WORK MAY HAVE BEEN DONE ON. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE ONCE YOU TAKE THE PAINT OFF. AND I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PAINT IS ON THERE. 'CAUSE IT DOES SEEM AS THOUGH IT'S BEEN PAINTED MANY TIMES. I THOUGHT MAYBE AFTER THAT GREEN YOU COULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, THAT OLD COLOR FROM, FROM THOSE OLD ZILLOW ADS. BUT THEN THERE'S THAT WHITE LAYER, SO IT'S WHO KNOWS HOW MANY COATS THERE ARE. UM, WE REALLY JUST KIND OF WANT ONE, I MEAN, I DON'T LOVE THE GREEN, BUT IT'S NOT EVEN PRACTICAL BECAUSE IT HAS PEELED THAT MUCH OVER THE COURSE OF THE TIME THAT WE'VE PURCHASED IT. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT, AGAIN, TRYING TO JUST MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER, NOT AS CRAZY. AND DR. BEARD, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS A TWO PART, UH, TO WHERE IF IT TURNS OUT THAT HE'S NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN WE WOULD, THEN IT'D BE ABLE TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE HIM TO PAINT A DIFFERENT COLOR. THANK YOU FOR THAT C CLARIFICATION. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT WAS OKAY WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. ARE WE STAFF, UH, WOULD, WOULD Y'ALL BE ABLE TO WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS OF MAKING SURE, SO SAY THEY DID DO THE, THE PROCESS OF REMOVING IT GENTLY, UM, WOULD Y'ALL WALK THEM THROUGH THAT OR HELP THEM HIRE THE RIGHT PERSON? UH, WELL, SO WE CAN'T GIVE A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION. I CAN'T SAY GO HIRE JOHN. YEAH, YEAH. UH, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE ARE, THERE'S INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FROM PAST CASES TO WHERE WE COULD DIRECT AN APPLICANT TO CONSIDER, UH, PROFESSIONALS THAT HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED DOING THIS TO WHERE THEY'RE GONNA APPROACH THE JOB WITH THE, WITH CARE IN MIND AND NOT JUST GETTING, GETTING THE JOB FINISHED. YES, THERE WAS ONE AT THE HISTORIC HOMEOWNER FAIR THAT HAD DONE ONE IN MY, IN MONTICELLO PARK. SO, YEAH. WELL WE CAN GIVE HIM THE LIST OF, OF VENDORS AND FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, THIS ISN'T ON THE HOUSE, BUT HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO CODE AND ANIMAL CARE SERVICES ABOUT THOSE OTHER PROBLEMS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? YES. UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE CASE NUMBERS, BUT THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO. 'CAUSE THERE WAS ONE THAT WE, THAT WERE CALLED IN AND THEN, UM, AFTER I SPOKE WITH MY NEIGHBOR, 'CAUSE WHAT YOU GUYS ALSO DON'T KNOW IS, UM, I'VE ALSO ASKED FOR A FENCE AND, UM, WE'VE HAD, LIKE I SAID, BE ABLE TO SAY SAFETY ISSUES. BUT NOT ONLY THAT, THERE IS NOW A LITTER OF PUPPIES UNDERNEATH MY HOUSE BECAUSE ONE OF THOSE DOGS, NOT MIN, NOT SHOWN THERE, IT'S A, A LIKE A YELLOW-ISH LAB LOOKING ONE, UM, HAS BURIED UNDERNEATH MY HOME AND HAD A LITTER OF PUPPIES. AND WE HAD THEN CALLED AGAIN, UM, WITH MY NEIGHBOR. 'CAUSE MY NEIGHBOR ALSO HAS TWO DOGS AND HAVE UPGRADED IT TO WHATEVER THAT NEXT LEVEL IS AS AGGRESSIVE DOGS. AND LIKE I SAID, I TOOK THOSE PICTURES YESTERDAY. THEY ARE STILL THERE. YEAH. AND YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE PUPPIES UNDERNEATH MY HOUSE NOW. YEAH. REACH OUT TO YOUR DISTRICT TWO OFFICE. UM, MY WIFE IS ACTUALLY ALREADY, UH, WRITTEN TO JAYLEN AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN A RESPONSE YET. ALL THEM . OKAY. SORRY TO GO OFF TOPIC. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UM, I WILL ATTEMPT TO WALK US THROUGH ITEMS 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE AT ONE TIME, SINCE THOSE ALL RELATE TO WINDOWS. UH, SO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, IS THE REPLACEMENT OF EIGHT ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. UH, AND SO THERE ARE A FEW PHOTOS HERE THAT SHOW ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO REPLACE THOSE WITH VINYL WINDOWS. UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE MODIFICATION OF ONE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW OPENING. UM, THAT WINDOW OPENING IS SHOWN HERE. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SEAL HEIGHT HAS BEEN RAISED. UH, SO [00:35:01] BACK UP ONE MORE TIME. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE REPLACEMENT OF EIGHT WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS. ITEM THREE IS THE MODIFICATION OF ONE WINDOW TO RECEIVE A SHORTENED SEAL HEIGHT. UH, SO ESSENTIALLY THE, THE BRICKED OPENING REMAINS THE SAME, BUT THE ACTUAL WINDOW MEMBER THAT'S INSTALLED IN THAT OPENING HAS CHANGED, UH, IN, IN A SENSE IN FILLING THIS BOTTOM PART THAT YOU SEE HERE IN WHITE. UH, NUMBER FOUR, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE REPLACEMENT OF NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS. UH, SO IF YOU SEE THIS PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE HERE THAT HAS A STUCCO APPLICATION, THIS ORIGINALLY WAS A REAR PORCH. UM, THERE'S ALSO A WINDOW HERE, UH, THIS ENTIRE FACADE. SO THIS IS AN ADDITION THAT WAS BUILT, UH, 1912 ISH OR 1914 OR SO. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY OLD ADDITION. UH, I'LL GO UP TO AN OLD LISTING PHOTO. UH, THIS REAR ADDITION HAS BEEN MODIFIED MULTIPLE TIMES, UH, TO THE POINT WHERE STAFF CAN'T MAKE SENSE OF WHAT WAS ORIGINAL, WHAT WAS A DOOR, WHAT WAS A WINDOW WHERE A HEAD HEIGHT WAS, WHERE A SEAL HEIGHT WAS. UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS PHOTO, THERE IS A, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE AT LEAST THE TOP LIGHT OR TOP SASH HAS SIX LIGHTS, A VINYL WINDOW. UH, SO THE APPLICANT ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE VINYL WINDOW THAT'S HERE AND THE VINYL WINDOW THAT'S HERE. UH, NEITHER OF THESE OPENINGS ARE ORIGINAL. UM, OF COURSE THE WINDOWS AREN'T ORIGINAL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR VINYL WINDOW REPLACEMENT IS, WE ARE OKAY WITH THE REPLACEMENT OF VINYL WINDOWS. UH, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION FOR REPLACEMENT OF NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS. UH, AND THEN LASTLY, FOR THE WINDOWS, ITEM FIVE IS THE CREATION OF NEW WINDOWS, UH, WITHIN THIS REAR ADDITION HERE. UH, SO THERE'S ONE RECTANGULAR WINDOW HERE, UH, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO RECTANGULAR WINDOWS ON THE NORTH FACADE THAT IS THE REAR FACADE. UH, STAFF IS, IS COMPLETELY FINE WITH THE APPLICANT CREATING NEW WINDOW OPENINGS IN THIS REAR EDITION. UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE CANNOT DETERMINE WHERE AN ORIGINAL OPENING WAS AND WHERE ONE WASN'T. UM, HOWEVER, UM, THERE ARE STANDARDS, UH, IN THE GUIDELINES FOR THE CREATION OF NEW WINDOW OPENINGS. AND SO THE GUIDELINES WOULD DIRECT AN APPLICANT TO INSTALL, UH, OR TO CREATE A NEW WINDOW OPENING, UH, THAT REFERENCED THE ORIGINAL PROFILE OF WINDOW OPENINGS. UH, SO JUST AS A RECAP, UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE REPLACEMENT OF ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING A REPLACEMENT OF ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WE CAN DO THAT. THERE ARE STANDARDS FOR THAT. ITEM TWO IS THE MODIFICATION OF, UH, THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THIS WINDOW HERE. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE SEAL HEIGHT HAS BEEN SHORTENED. THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND THAT ORIGINAL WINDOWS, UH, REMAIN AT THEIR ORIGINAL, UH, WIDTH AND HEIGHT. ITEM THREE IS THE REPLACEMENT OF NON-ORIGINAL, UH, WINDOWS. THIS VINYL WINDOW HERE. AND THIS VINYL, SORRY, LET ME GO. UH, UH, VINYL WINDOW THAT'S ON THIS, UH, SIDE FACADE HERE. THE ADDITION, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE, THE TWO EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE INSTALLATION OF NEW WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE REAR FACADE. UH, STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT. UH, HOWEVER, UH, WE ARE STIPULATING THAT THE ACTUAL PROPORTION OF THOSE RELATE TO ORIGINAL OPENINGS. UM, AND SO, UH, WE CAN NOW OPEN, UH, ITEMS TWO THROUGH FIVE UP FOR DISCUSSION. MR. CUNNINGHAM, IF YOU WANNA RESPOND TO, UM, ANY OF THOSE, ANY OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THOSE YOU PLEASE DO SO. OH, SO, UM, I WANT AT LEAST ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER TWO FIRST BECAUSE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING, UM, THE SHORTENING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE DID. THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER 3 0 3. OKAY. I DON'T REMEMBER THREE. UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WAS THERE BEFORE. UM, THAT WAS A WINDOW. UH, WE DID REPLACE THE OLD WINDOW WITH A, A NEW WINDOW. HOWEVER, THE, WE DID NOT, WE DO ANYTHING TO THE ACTUAL HEIGHT OF THAT WINDOW, UM, THAT WAS THERE BEFORE. UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT WAS CLEAR. UM, IF YOU, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S LIKE A, A PICTURE I CAN HAVE OF THE OLD WINDOW, BUT YEAH, I CAN REST, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING WE DID ACTUALLY, THAT'S WHERE, UM, THE COUNTERTOP IS. UH, AND THAT WAS LIKE THAT BEFORE, BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED. UH, DO WE HAVE AN IMAGE OF THE INSIDE WHERE THAT WINDOW IS? UH, I THINK THERE IS ONE. YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL ME. OKAY. UH, I'LL TELL YOU WHEN TO, UM, YEAH, RIGHT THERE. AND THAT'S [00:40:01] WHERE THE COUNTERTOP STARTS. UM, THAT, THAT WE DID NOT ADJUST THAT HEIGHT AT ALL. WE JUST REPLACED WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? UM, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE NEW WINDOWS ON THE BACK ADDITION, UH, THE FIXED WINDOWS? YEAH. WAS THAT, WAS THAT PART OF THE PLAN? UH, THESE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN QUESTION HERE, UH, TO PLACE THOSE THERE, UH, OR DID YOU INHERIT THOSE AS WELL? OR WERE THOSE NO, SIR. THOSE WERE DONE AFTER REPURCHASED IT. UM, THAT ADDITION, UM, TO, UH, UH, TO TRY TO BE KIND ABOUT IT, BUT WHOMEVER DID THOSE ADDITIONS DID NOT DO A VERY GOOD JOB. UM, BUT THAT'S TO JUST TRY TO BRING SOME MORE LIGHT INTO THOSE ADDITIONS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE WINDOWS IN THE REST OF THE HOUSE AND THERE ARE NOT, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT ONE WINDOW, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY WINDOW IN THE ADDITION. SO IT WAS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT TO, TO THAT ADDITION. UM, BUT YES, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE THREE FIXED WINDOWS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE DID AND WE TRIED TO MAKE THEM AS LOW PROFILE AS POSSIBLE JUST TO TRY AND GET SOME SORT OF NATURAL LIGHT IN THERE. UM, SORRY, WERE YOU DONE? SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE KITCHEN WINDOW THAT'S CUT OFF ON THE OUTSIDE. MM-HMM. . SO WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO PUTTING A WINDOW, AND I'M NOT SURE OF THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY, BUT A WINDOW THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE WOULD LOOK LIKE A FULL LENGTH WINDOW, BUT ON THE INSIDE IT WOULD JUST STAY AS IT IS. UM, I WOULD NEED, THAT'LL HELP. I WOULD NEED, WOULD THAT SATISFY HELP WITH THAT? 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, LOOK LIKE OR WHAT, WHAT, HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S HOMES IN OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT, THAT HAVE DONE THAT SEVERAL TIMES. OKAY. DID YOU, DID YOU, UH, CLARIFY EXACTLY? YEAH, EDWARD, SO THE WINDOW THERE WHERE IT'S HALF CUT OFF, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING IT CUT OFF, UM, HAVING IT IN THE FULL LENGTH ON THE EXTERIOR, BUT ON THE INTERIOR, JUST LEAVING IT AS HIS DESTRUCTING A FUR WALL. YEAH. SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY FROM THE EXTERIOR YOU WOULD HAVE THE FULL HEIGHT, BUT ON THE INTERIOR, YOUR COUNTERTOP WOULD, WOULD, UH, YOUR COUNTERTOP WOULD STILL BE THE SAME HEIGHT. YOU WOULD BUILD A FUR WALL AND FLASH, UH, SO THAT FROM THE EXTERIOR, THE WINDOW WOULD APPEAR TO BE WHOLE. UM, IT MAY APPEAR LIKE YOU HAD LIKE A SHUTTER COMING UP FROM THE SEAL TO YOUR COUNTERTOP. AND THEN FROM THE INTERIOR, UH, YOU, IT, YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE THE SAME VIEW THAT'S, UH, THAT'S SHOWN, UH, THE WAY YOU HAVE IT NOW FROM THE INTERIOR. EDWARD. IS THAT AN EXISTING CONDITION THOUGH? IT, IT IS, UH, IT WAS ONE THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY, UH, BUT WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE POTENTIALLY WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO, UM, CONSIDER, UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DONE, UH, AND TO INCLUDE, UH, AN EXCEPTION FOR THIS IN YOUR MOTION. UH, VERSUS ASKING THE APPLICANT TO, UM, RETURN SOMETHING THAT FROM THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR WAS AN EXISTING CONDITION. UM, THAT MAY BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO CONSIDER, UH, IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE OTHER, OTHER ITEMS. BUT, UH, JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WHEN, UH, A MOTION IS MADE AND WHEN DISCUSSION HAPPENS ON THAT MOTION. YEAH, I'D, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THE FENESTRATION PATTERN FROM THE EXTERIOR. UM, JUST BE CONSISTENT. OKAY. UM, THE INSIDE YOU WOULDN'T TELL A DIFFERENCE, BUT THE EXTERIOR YOU'D BE ABLE TO TELL IT'S ALL CONSISTENT. UM, UM, EDWARD, UH, IF I MAY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT IMAGE, UM, WHERE, WHERE THERE'S A GAP, THE EXTERIOR IMAGE? I'M SORRY, IF, IF WE WERE TO POTENTIALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THOUGH THAT, THAT THAT IS FILLED IN LIKE THE, THE BOTTOM OF THAT SEAL'S REMOVED, IT'S FILLED IN WITH, WITH THE BRICK. SO ALTHOUGH THE, THE WINDOWS AREN'T THE SAME HEIGHT, UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S THAT, THAT GAP UNDERNEATH? YES. THAT, THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER. UM, IT WOULD STILL BE THE, IN THE PARTIAL INFILL OF THE OPENING. UM, ARCHITECTURALLY, UH, IT'S, ALTHOUGH IT'S A MODIFICATION TO THAT OPENING, IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE, UH, THAN WHAT'S DONE. AND IT, UM, NOT TO PUT WORDS IN THE APPLICANT'S MOUTH, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S BRICK ON SITE, UM, THAT'S ORIGINAL THAT MAYBE COULD BE USED FOR THAT APPLICATION. AND IF THE [00:45:01] HOUSE IS PAINTED ANYWAYS, THEN, UH, BRICK EXACTLY. MATCHING MAY NOT BE AS, AS MUCH OF A CONCERN. UH, BUT YES, IF THE COMMISSION, UH, IF THE COMMISSION DECIDED TO INCLUDE THAT IN A MOTION, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE. UM, IN THEORY. SO THAT CAN BE AN EXCEPTION CORRECT. TO MINIMIZE THIS EXPERIENCE. CORRECT. IF THE COMMISSION, UH, DETERMINED THAT, THAT, THAT THAT WAS AN OPTION OR THAT THAT WAS THIS, UH, UH, UH, AN APPROPRIATE PATH FORWARD, THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL COULD, COULD RECOMMEND MR. CUNNINGHAM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOUR, THE INSIDE OF YOUR STRUCTURE MODIFIED, SEEING THAT YOU INHERITED THE MAJORITY OF THESE THINGS, RIGHT. AND TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST MEET YOU HALFWAY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT STRUCTURE, THE EXTERIOR STRUCTURE AT LEAST FILLED IN. BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE ARE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO KEEP THE EXTERIOR IN COMPLIANCE, BUT AGAIN, YOU INHERITED THE MAJORITY OF THESE PROBLEMS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH? UM, YES, I BELIEVE I RUN EVERYTHING THROUGH MY WIFE, BUT YEAH. UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN, NO, NO, NO. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE SMARTEST MOVE. I SAID . OKAY. OKAY. UM, THEN YES, I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, UH, ACCOMMODATE. I, I MEAN, UM, THE INITIAL STRUCTURE THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT WE INHERITED, UM, IT, IT DID NOT LOOK GOOD EITHER, SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST TO TRY TO, TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. OBVIOUSLY OUR, UH, CONCERNS ARE MUCH LESS AESTHETIC AT THIS POINT, JUST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING LIVABLE. BUT, UH, YES. UM, WE, I GOT THE, OKAY. SO, SO MR. CUNNINGHAM, I KNOW YOU'VE INHERITED MOST OF THESE PROBLEMS AND A LOT OF THINGS WERE DONE WITHOUT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, MS. CUNNINGHAM, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTING THAT AS WELL. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MEET YOU AT LEAST HALFWAY, BUT ALL IN THE SAME TOKEN. YOU'RE IN A, IN AN ENVIRONMENT, IN AN, AN AREA THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY THAT YOU YOURSELF EMPHASIZED. SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE MEETING US HALFWAY. THE NEXT ITEM, EDWARD? UH, YES. UH, SORRY. LET ME CLOSE THIS TIMER. UH, SO, UM, IF WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE ON FROM THAT, ITEM SIX AND SEVEN ARE SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO DOORS. UH, SO LET ME GO UP TO AN OLDER LISTING PHOTO. UM, HERE'S A DOOR OPENING HERE. UM, IT'S THE SAME SITUATION ON THIS PART OF THE ADDITION AS THE WINDOWS, UM, STAFF CANNOT TELL ONE WAY FROM THE OTHER OTHER, IF THIS IS AN ORIGINAL OPENING. UM, THERE IS A A, A DOOR THERE. AND SO, UM, THAT DOOR, THERE'S CURRENTLY, UH, SO HERE'S ONE DOOR THAT'S WHITE, UH, THAT COULD OR COULD NOT BE ORIGINAL. UH, THAT'S NOT DETERMINED. THAT DOOR WAS REPLACED AT SOME POINT WITH A NON-ORIGINAL WOOD DOOR, UH, WHICH IS SEEN IN THIS PHOTO FROM, UH, JUNE OF 2023. UH, AND THEN, UM, THE DOOR HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH, UM, A DOOR THAT, UH, GENERALLY IN PROFILE, I WILL SAY IS NOT NECESSARILY INCONSISTENT WITH THE FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE. UH, BUT, UH, THE GUIDELINES, UH, DO DIRECT STAFF OR RECOMMEND FOR APPLICANTS TO, UH, WHEN, UH, DOORS ARE INSTALLED OR WHEN REPLACEMENT DOORS ARE INSTALLED. THEY NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND, AND GENERAL MATERIALS OF, OF WHAT'S APPROPRIATE. UM, THIS IS ALSO SOMEWHAT OF A SIMILAR SITUATION TO WINDOWS WHERE THE ORIGINAL DOOR WAS NO LONGER IN PLACE. UH, WE CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT STYLE DOORS THAT HAVE EXISTED IN THE PAST, UH, EIGHT YEARS OR SO, HOWEVER LONG, SIX YEARS. UH, AND SO BASED ON THE GUIDELINES, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE IS WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF DOOR REPLACEMENT. SO THERE'S NO CONCERN WITH THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PREVIOUS DOORS, UH, BUT SIMPLY A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, MATERIAL AND STYLE. UM, THE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UM, I'LL GO BACK UP TO, UH, ONE OF THE OLDER LISTING PHOTOS. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A DOOR HERE THAT'S ON THE VERY REAR FACADE OF THE ADDITION. UM, STAFF IS NOT CONCERNED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THAT DOOR. UM, IT'S NOT WHERE IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. UH, THERE'S NOT A, LIKE WE, WE CANNOT WITH CONFIDENCE SAY THAT THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL OPENING. UH, AND SO, UM, THE APPLICANT IS, HAS CHOSEN THAT LOCATION, UH, FOR FENESTRATION. AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THAT DOOR OPENING COMPLETELY AS SUBMITTED. UH, SO I, I GUESS FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSION FINDS THIS DOOR HERE TO BE AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT. I BELIEVE IT'S A, A STEEL OR FIBERGLASS DOOR. I, YOUR HONOR, I'M SORRY. IT'S A STEEL DOOR. UM, THAT WAS, UM, IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU TOOK THAT IN JUNE. WE, THAT WE GOT THAT REPLACED BECAUSE THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE DOOR THAT WAS KICKED IN IN THE FIRST, UM, BREAK IN ON JULY 4TH WEEKEND. SO THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THE STEEL DOOR, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, MATTER OF SAFETY FOR, FOR THAT ONE. AND I WILL COMMENT THAT, UM, THE DOOR [00:50:01] THAT YOU SHOWED ME, UM, ON THE REAR, THAT WAS ALSO NOT THERE WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. SO THAT WAS ALREADY REMOVED. UM, AND COMMISSIONERS, IF I COULD ADD, UM, IF YOU REFERENCE STAFF'S STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, UH, WE HAVE A COMMENT THAT SAYS THAT WE TYPICALLY DO NOT, OR WE RECOMMEND AGAINST A MANUFACTURER'S WHITE COLOR JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT DRAWS MORE ATTENTION TO THE PROFILE AND DIVIDED LIGHTS. UM, DEPENDING ON THE DISCUSSION THAT THE COMMISSION HAS, UH, A SOLUTION, UH, TO THIS DOOR, IF THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT IT CAN BE MAINTAINED, WOULD JUST BE PAINTING IN A DIFFERENT COLOR. UM, AND, AND THAT WOULD MOST LIKELY SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE, UM, UH, ITS ATTENTION TO PROFILE OF MATERIAL. AND WE'RE NOT TALKING AT ALL ABOUT THE FRONT DOORS, JUST THE TWO IN THE BACK. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU MR. CUNNINGHAM. YES, MA'AM. SO I RECOGNIZE THE SAFETY PART, HOWEVER, YOU PUT A STILL DOOR WITH SIX SMALL WINDOWS, RIGHT. AND ACCESS CLOSE TO THE LOCK, RIGHT? YEAH. I, I SEE, I SEE YOUR POINT THERE, . AND SO WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE AND, AND I AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEM HIGHER BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T REACH TO THE LOCK. THAT'S ONE. THE OTHER THING TOO IS YOU, DID YOU INSTALL THOSE WINDOWS IN THE BACK? YEAH. UM, THE, THE, THE SMALL ONES? MM, YES MA'AM. MM-HMM, . OKAY. NOW THOSE ARE CUTE, HOWEVER, THE, IF YOU GO TO THE FRONT, WHY DIDN'T YOU REFERENCE THOSE ARCHES TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE? THE ARCHE? OH, UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I I GUESS IT'S MORE SO LIKE THE TRANSOM OVER THE DOOR. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE FOCUSING FOR? THE WINDOWS? YES, MA'AM. 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE, UH, WE, WE CALL THEM TRANSOMS IN, IN THE BACK AS WELL. IT'S THE SAME ONE WE HAVE OVER OUR FRONT DOOR. OKAY. OR THE SAME STYLE. IS THE CITY OKAY WITH THAT? UH, WELL, UH, SO IT'S, UH, REALLY A CONVERSATION OF CONTEXT. UH, TRANSOM WINDOW IS ALWAYS GONNA BE LOCATED ABOVE A DOOR, UH, WHETHER IT'S INTERIOR OR EXTERIOR. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THESE WINDOWS ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOCATED WITH, THEY FEATURE A HEAD HEIGHT, UH, AND A SEAL HEIGHT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. UM, HOWEVER, I MEAN, IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO REFERENCE THESE WINDOWS TO THE TRANSOM WINDOWS AND FIND A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE, THEN BY ALL MEANS, BUT A TRANSOMS ALWAYS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DOOR OR A STOREFRONT SYSTEM IN COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS, BUT IN RESIDENTIAL A DOOR. SO MR. CUNNINGHAM, YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO PAYING THEM BROWN TO BE CONSISTENT? OH YEAH, OF COURSE. UM, WHENEVER WE, WE GET OUR APPROVAL TO PAINT, I WOULD HOPE TO PAINT EVERYTHING CONSISTENTLY. STAFF, ARE WE ABLE TO RECOMMEND PAINT? UH, I, I'M, UH, SO THE, THE ACTUAL ACT OF PAINTING ITSELF IS IT, IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. THE ONLY REASON WHY PAINTING, UH, WAS ON THE AGENDA IN THIS CONTEXT WAS THE ASSOCIATION WITH THE PAINTING OF THE BRICK. UH, AND IF THERE WAS UNPAINTED BRICK, THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. UH, BUT IF THE APPLICANT CAME TO STAFF AND SAID, HEY, I WANT TO PAINT MY TRIM A DIFFERENT COLOR, OR I WANT TO PAINT THIS HOUSE A DIFFERENT COLOR, UM, AND LEAVE THE PAINT, UH, THAT'S ALREADY THERE, THEN SORRY, THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. SO THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE ABOUT PAINTING OF TRIM OR A PAINT COLOR, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY THE TRIM OF THE WHITE TRIM OF THE FINAL WINDOWS. UH, SO IF, IF THE COMMISSION, UH, IF THE COMMISSION THROUGH DISCUSSION DETERMINED THAT PAINTING OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS IS AN APPROPRIATE SOLUTION, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION COULD DETERMINE, UM, YOU WOULD STILL BE DEALING WITH. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FEW ELEMENTS TO WINDOWS. THERE'S THE MATERIAL OF THE WINDOW, THERE'S THE PROFILE OF THE WINDOW. UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, THIS WINDOW ACTUALLY HAS A SCREEN ON IT, WHICH SOMEWHAT DISGUISES THE, UH, THE INSET IN THE ACTUAL PROFILE. UH, BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT WINDOWS, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE PROFILE, AND THAT IS THE SEAL HEIGHT, THE STYLE WIDTH, THE CHECK RAIL OR THE MEETING RAILS AND THE TOP RAIL HEIGHT. UH, WE ALSO GENERALLY ARE LOOKING AT THE INSTALLATION DEPTH OF THE WINDOWS. UM, IT GENERALLY APPEARS THAT THE WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED FEATURE A DEPTH THAT WHILE IT [00:55:01] MAY NOT BE EXACTLY, HERE'S A GOOD PHOTO BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE IN RELATIONSHIP, UH, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS IN AN OPENING. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE, THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE, UH, REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. AND IF THIS SCREEN EL ELEMENT WAS REMOVED, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, MAYBE NOT AS DEEP OF A RECESS, UM, WITHIN THE BRICKED OPENING, BUT YOU WOULD STILL SEE SOMEWHAT OF A RECESS. SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN THE COMMISSION COULD MAKE THE DECISION THAT PAINTING THE WINDOWS IS AN APPROPRIATE SOLUTION. UM, HOWEVER, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DECISION WOULDN'T BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES OR ITS STAFF STANDARDS, UH, OR THE ADOPTED STANDARDS I SHOULD SAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. THAT'S A, JUST A QUESTION THAT THAT'S NOT ANYTHING I WOULD EVER SUPPORT, BUT THANK YOU. SO GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, WHICH IS THE DOOR AND THE RE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY IS, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION, I'LL READ IT. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING DOOR, UH, BASED ON FINDING EYE WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ONE, THE REPLACEMENT DOOR BE WOOD, AN APPROPRIATE INSTALL FOR THE FULL VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. UH, AND THEN THERE WE GO. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, UH, THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT DOOR BE SUBMITTED TO STAFFER REVIEW AND APPROVAL. UH, AND UH, I SHOULD GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. PRIOR TO PURCHASE, UM, WE ESSENTIALLY, IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES THE REPLACEMENT DOOR, WE WANT TO REVIEW IT TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT'S MAKING THE CORRECT PURCHASE THE FIRST TIME AND THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT PURCHASING A DOOR AND THEN THAT NOT BEING THE CORRECT DOOR. UH, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS IT'S FINE TO REPLACE, BUT THAT THE REPLACEMENT NEEDS TO BE ARCHITECTURALLY CONSISTENT AND TO BE WOOD. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT CONFUSING MYSELF 'CAUSE WE'VE GONE OVER SO MANY THINGS. YOU'RE WANTING TO KEEP THE DOOR AS THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES MA'AM. IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S IN THE REAR END, THE BACKYARD. AND, WELL, I, I JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT YOU JUST REPLACED BECAUSE OF THE BREAK-IN LAST YEAR? YES, MA'AM. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND IT'S, UH, THE MATERIAL IS STEEL. IS THAT WHAT, IS THAT WHAT WAS SAID? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS AN AN OPPORTUNITY IF, IF WE WANTED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD ALLOW TO KEEP THE METAL DOOR IF IT WERE PAINTED, CORRECT. I, THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO ALL. UM, YOU COULD AGREE WITH STAFF COMPLETELY AND SAY, NO, IT NEEDS TO BE A WOOD DOOR. YOU COULD SAY, WE FIND THE DOOR TO BE APPROPRIATE AS IT IS. OR YOU COULD SAY, WE FIND THE DOOR TO BE APPROPRIATE IF YOU PAINTED IT TO WHERE IT WASN'T A MANUFACTURER'S WHITE COLOR OR ANY OTHER COMBINATION OF, OF WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU DECIDE. IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO Y'ALL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION IN ALL OF THIS IS, UH, OUR FINDINGS ARE BASED ON THE GUIDELINES AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THE GUIDELINES. UH, YOU ALL CAN LOOK AT EACH CASE ON AN INDIVIDUAL CASE BY CASE BASIS AND DETERMINE WHAT YOU FIND TO BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE OUTCOME. MADAM CHAIR, I, UM, JUST SOMETHING FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION UNPACKED HERE WITH A LOT OF ITEMS, RECOMMENDATIONS. SOME OF THIS I THINK IS AN ORGANIC CONVERSATION. IF EVERYONE IS AMENABLE, I'D LIKE TO, UM, I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND FOR A PERIOD AND ALLOW THIS APPLICANT TO VISIT WITH CITY STAFF. TOSS AROUND SOME OF THESE IDEAS. I THINK THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION IS PRETTY CLEAR ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. SO DO YOU FEEL THERE'S VALUE IN ALLOWING THE STAFF TO WORK WITH THIS APPLICANT TO COME BACK AND PROBABLY COME TO SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION, KNOWING NOW WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM? UH, COMMISSIONER FLORES, IF I COULD INTERJECT, UM, THE, A FOLLOW UP TO THAT WOULD MAYBE BE A SITE VISIT WITH THE COMMISSION. UM, THAT WAY YOU ALL CAN PHYSICALLY SEE THIS IN CONTEXT ON SITE, IN PERSON, UM, AND AT THAT SITE VISIT YOU COULD THEN DIRECT STAFF, UM, TO SAY LIKE, HEY, WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT ITEM SIX AND SEVEN OR ITEM ONE. WE ONLY WANT THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT WINDOWS, OR WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS WINDOW, BUT WE WANT TO, YOU COULD THEN DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON WHAT YOU FIND TO BE APPROPRIATE. UH, AND WE COULD BRING BACK SPECIFIC ITEMS TO THE COMMISSION. UH, BUT, BUT I, I DO FIND THAT IT, IT GENERALLY, UM, IT'S HELPFUL FOR A SITE VISIT SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, PHYSICALLY WHAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING. UM, AND THAT MAY MORE, UH, THAT MAY BETTER INFORM YOUR DECISION. UM, BUT THE OBVIOUSLY, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT WEIGH IN ON IF HE WANTS TO DO THAT OR NOT. BEFORE WE DO, EDWARD, CAN WE GO BACK AND REVIEW ON WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY AGREED SO FAR? BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY COME TO A CONSENSUS AND THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE AND THEN MAYBE DO THE SITE VISIT ON THE REMAINDERS. 'CAUSE YES, WE KNOW THAT TIME IS MONEY AND, AND THIS, IF THIS IS [01:00:01] GONNA BE HIS RESIDENTIAL, AT LEAST LET'S APPROVE WHAT HE CAN KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH INSTEAD OF DELAYING IT. SURE THING. UM, SO, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS PAINTING. UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS OKAY WITH AN EXPLORATION TO REMOVE THE PAINT AND TO HAVE THE HISTORIC BRICK. UM, IF THE APPLICANT'S NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, OR IF THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEN IT'S OKAY TO PAINT, UM, AND WITH AN APPROPRIATE PRODUCT. AND SO NUMBER ONE, THAT'S RESOLVED. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT ANY MORE PAST TODAY. UM, AND JUMP IN WHENEVER, JUST CUT ME OFF IF YOU NEED TO. UH, ITEM TWO IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL EIGHT WINDOWS. UM, STAFF IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, IS OFFICIALLY THAT THE APPLICANT REINSTALL THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. IF THOSE ARE NO LONGER ON SITE OR IF THEY'VE BEEN DISCARDED, UH, THAT SALVAGED OR RECONSTRUCTED WOOD WINDOWS OR, OR, OR MANU OR, UH, UH, THAT WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED. REPLACEMENT WOOD WINDOWS, EDWARD, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO REVIEW. SO SHOW I'LL GRAPHICALLY. WHICH ONES IN THE IMAGES, WHICH ONES ARE THE EIGHT WINDOWS? THE, UH, SORRY. LET ME PLEASE, BECAUSE I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THE FRONT AND THE SIDE THAT IS VISIBLE. UM, THEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. ALRIGHT. SO, AND I'D BE WILLING TO PUT THESE UP. SO, UM, THE ORIGINAL, THE EIGHT WINDOWS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED, SO THERE'S WINDOW ONE, WINDOW TWO, THERE IS A SIDE PORCH WINDOW HERE. SO THERE'S THREE GENERALLY ON THE FRONT FACADE, THERE IS WINDOW FOUR, WINDOW FIVE, THIS IS FOUR AND FIVE AGAIN, UHHUH, , AND THEN SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT. UH, SO THE, A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS THERE IS THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS BRICK. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONS, WHICH ARE WOOD FRAMED. AND THEY HAVE WOOD SIDING THAT'S BEEN COVERED OVER TIME BY STUCCO. EIGHT WINDOWS ARE IN THE ORIGINAL BRICK FACADES THAT ARE ON THE FRONT AND SIDE ELEVATIONS AND SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT, SIX. THOSE ARE ALSO FROM SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT FROM THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AS WELL. CORRECT. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ON THE SOUTH FACADE. UM, UH, SO, UH, THOSE EIGHT WINDOWS. BUT, UM, WE CAN, UM, PUSH THE WINDOWS TO THE SIDE FOR A MINUTE, THE REPLACEMENT, AND THEN KEEP GOING. AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT ON SITE, WE CAN DO THAT. SO IT, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MAY. SO THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MY RECOMMENDATION. I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION YET, BUT I WAS, I WAS THINKING THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE LARGEST DISCUSSION IS THE WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO ITEMS ONE, SIX AND SEVEN, I THINK ONE, SIX AND SEVEN. I'M HEARING US HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE AGREEMENT. SO I, THAT, THAT WAS MY THINKING IS PERHAPS THE WINDOWS NEED THE LONGER DISCUSSION. UM, WELL THAT COULD BE CRAFTED INTO A MOTION. AND A MOTION LIKE THAT MAY SAY, UH, THE COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND SEVEN, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. AND THEN THE COMMISSION REFERS ITEMS 3, 4, 5, AND SIX, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO WINDOW REPLACEMENT, WINDOW OPENINGS, UH, TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SITE VISIT. UH, AND THEN THAT COULD BE TAKEN UP AT A, AT A HEARING IN THE FUTURE. UM, CAN I JUST CLARIFY ON SIX AND SEVEN THOUGH THE RECOMMEND, I THOUGHT THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE BEING DISCUSSED THERE. THERE IS. THAT WAS JUST A SAMPLE. YEAH. Y'ALL CRAFT THE MOTION AND AMEND THE MOTION AS YOU SEE FIT. SO I AMEND CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS WRITTEN. UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE, I RECOMMEND, OR I MOTION THAT WE, THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVES, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX, UM, WITH, UH, THE STIPULATION THAT THE DOOR IS PAINTED, UM, AM CONSISTENT WITH, UM, COMMON STANDARDS AND THAT WE APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SEVEN. THAT IS MY MOTION. SO BEFORE WE GET A SECOND, I DON'T WANT, I HAVE TO QUESTION THE PAINTING, AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE OF IT PEELING AND COSTING MORE OF AN EXPENSE TO THE OWNER. SO, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PREVENT. I DO. CORY, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? YEAH, SO THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING TO REMOVE THAT PEELING PAINT. AND SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE WEIGHING IN HERE IS WE WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE BEST TREATMENT IS. UM, JUST BECAUSE, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK YOU CAN GET IN THERE WITH HIGH PRESSURE WASHING OR SANDBLASTING AND THAT'S REALLY NOT RECOMMENDED FOR MASONRY. UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, USUALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE'LL SAY, SEND US WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, SEND US PICTURES ALONG THE WAY, YOUR PROGRESS, AND WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD. BUT, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, WHAT I WAS RECOMMENDING WAS THE PAINTING ON THE NEW STEEL DOOR, NOT NOT ON THE WALLS. OH, I'M SORRY. I WAS, YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT [01:05:01] IS, THAT'S FINE. UM, THAT IS JUST A WAY TO KIND OF MITIGATE THE STARK WHITE APPEARANCE OF THE REPLACEMENT DOOR. UH, NO, NOT CHAIR BECAUSE THAT FUTURE EXPENSE CHAIRWOMAN, UM, THERE COULD BE A SPECIFIC PAINT APPLICATION, UM, THAT WOULD ADHERE TO THAT STEEL MATERIAL THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU PAINTED THAT WITH LATEX PAINT, LIKE WHAT'S DONE ON THE BRICK, THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE PEELING PRETTY SOON. BUT, UM, THERE COULD BE A SPECIFIC PAINT APPLICATION THAT THE APPLICANT CAN EXPLORE THAT WOULD REMOVE ANY TYPE OF CONCERN ABOUT PEELING PAINT FROM THAT DOOR. AND THEN HIM HAVING THE, BASICALLY THE SAME SCENARIO THAT HE HAS NOW, I'D LIKE TO REFER BACK TO WHAT COREY STATED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE STAGES BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY HAD SO MUCH DELAY AND IF YOU WOULD PROVIDE THE PROGRESS BEFORE EXECUTING SO THAT WAY WE CAN MINIMIZE THOSE EXPENSES. OH, FOR SURE. AND ANY PENALTIES OR ANY OTHER FURTHER DELAYS FOR YOU. OKAY. I, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS? I HAVE A, A, A, A DIFFERENT MOTION. UH, WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION. YEAH, WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND YET AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DISCUSSING STILL. OKAY, GO AHEAD. I HAVE A, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM ONE, ITEM TWO, AND ITEM SIX AND SEVEN. IS THAT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES. AND THEN, UH, LET'S SEE. SO IN ITEM THREE THAT'S REFERENCING THE WINDOW, THAT WAS PARTIALLY CUT OFF. UH, SO I'M, I'M SORRY, WHICH ITEM DID YOU MENTION? ITEM THREE? YES. ITEM THREE IS THE WINDOW WHERE THE, THE SEAL HEIGHT HAS BEEN MODIFIED. CORRECT. SO I'D LIKE TO SEND THAT ONE TO A DRC, UH, TO TALK ABOUT MORE IN DEPTH, UH, WHAT I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT METHOD IS CALLED, BUT YEAH, NO, NO, NO, NO, FOR SURE. I'VE GOT THAT. ITEM THREE WOULD BE REFERRED TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UHHUH, , AND THEN ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE, UH, LET'S SEE. TWO, BUT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ON ITEM SIX I THAT'S THE REAR, THE REAR DOOR, CORRECT. WHICH REAR DOOR? 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO. WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY ONE. SO ITEM SEVEN IS THE REMOVAL OF THE REAR FACING DOOR. AND ITEM SIX IS THE REMOVAL OF THE DOOR THAT'S ON THE REAR ADDITION, BUT THAT FACES THE INTERIOR OF THE YARD. SO I'LL, I'LL GO TO PHOTOS REAL QUICK. SORRY. SO HERE, HERE'S, BUT YOU ALSO SAID THAT WE WERE MINIMAL TO KEEPING IT SINCE HE ALREADY HAS IT AND IT'S NOT FACING THE STREET. CORRECT. BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT'S PAINTED THAT DR. BEARD MENTIONED. AND, AND SO I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, SO MY, THE, THE MOTION THAT I, I PUT OUT WAS NOT SECONDED. SO SHOULD I BE WITHDRAWING MY MOTION? BECAUSE NOW, NOW TO YOU. 'CAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO MIX THEM AND THAT'S PROBLEMATIC, SO YEAH. YEAH. SO I GUESS I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I DIDN'T GET TO FINISH MINE, BUT, UH, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF, UH, STIPULATIONS, STIPULATIONS ITEMS ONE, ITEMS TWO, UM, SEND THREE TO DRC FOUR IS FIVE, FOUR AND FIVE. ALSO GO TO A DRC AND APPROVAL OF SIX AND SEVEN WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, CORRECT? YES MA'AM. IF I MAY CLARIFY THE MOTION APPROVE ITEM 1, 2, 6, 7 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND REFER TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. CAN YOU PROVIDE TIME CERTAINTY? IS IT NEXT AVAILABLE? DRC IT'LL BE NEXT AVAILABLE. I DO WANNA CLARIFY FOR ITEM SIX, STAFF STIPULATIONS AREN'T JUST PAINTING THESE EXISTING DOORS, IT'S REPLACING WITH A PERIOD APPROPRIATE DOOR. SO IS IT STAFF STIPULATION OR WITH RIGHT. AS SUBMITTED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THEY'D BE PAINTING. RIGHT, WHICH IS WHY I MADE THE MOTION I MADE. SO YEAH, IT'S NOT REPLACING RIGHT, BUT JUST PAINTING [01:10:01] WE'LL AMEND, WE'LL AMEND I LET'S IN ITEM SIX, IS THAT CORRECT? WE NEED THE, WE NEED THE MOTION MAKER TO CLARIFY HIS INTENT. CAN I AMEND THAT MOTION FOR ITEM SIX TO GO WITH MY COLLEAGUE'S RECOMMENDATION OF PAINTING? YEAH. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION FOR ITEM SIX OF RECOMMENDATION OF PAINTING THAT DOOR, UM, AS MY COLLEAGUE RECOMMENDED. AND I, I, I SECOND THE MOTION. ALRIGHT, UM, SO THERE'S BEEN A MOTION THAT'S MADE AND THERE'S BEEN A SECOND. SO THAT MOTION IS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX AS SUBMITTED OR WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE DOOR IS PAINTED APPROVAL OF ITEM SEVEN AS SUBMITTED. ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE ARE REFERRED TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. ITEM THREE IS THE MODIFICATION TO THE OPENING. ITEM FOUR IS THE REPLACEMENT OF TWO NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS, AND ITEM FIVE IS THE CREATION OF NEW WINDOWS. ON THE ADDITION, THOSE THREE ITEMS ARE REFERRED TO A DRC. OKAY. ALRIGHT, GOT IT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'D LIKE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. FLORES. AYE REGARD? AYE. SET SIR? AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. SEPULVEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MADAM CHAIR, POINT OF INFORMATION. UH, EXCUSE ME. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON ITEM TWO, THE MIC. OH, RECORD. WELL, SHE'S ASKING ABOUT ITEM TWO. ITEM TWO WAS APPROVED ON CONSENT, SO IT'S NOT PENDING ACTION. IT'S BEEN APPROVED. I, I STILL HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW ITEM TWO, I DUNNO IF WHO'S, I THINK SHE'S WITH THE APPLICANT, WHO'S THE CASE? SO IT'S ITEM TWO IN THE MOTION. I THINK IT'S ITEM ITEM TWO ON THIS CASE. OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, I THINK SHE'S, NO, THAT'S MY WIFE. YEAH, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND, I JUST MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE MICROPHONE, MA'AM. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO, WE'VE JUST APPROVED TO REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS BACK TO WHAT THEY WERE THE EIGHT WINDOWS, RIGHT? SO HOW WOULD WE EXECUTE THAT? WOULD THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD SPEAK WITH? OKAY. BECAUSE MAYBE WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT, LIKE MAYBE WE DO SOME TYPE OF, I DON'T THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO DO 'EM ALL AT ONCE. YEAH, NO. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE WILL WORK ON A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT AND WHAT THAT COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT OR DUAL SPECIFICALLY OUTLINED. SO IT WOULD BE ON YOU TO GENERALLY DETERMINE LIKE IN WHAT SPECIFIC, UM, WHAT PARAMETERS YOU HAVE FOR REPLACING THOSE. SO IF YOU START ON THE SIDE OR THE FRONT FACADES AND THEN YOU WORK YOUR WAYS TO THE SIDE, UM, THEN THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT IF YOU, IF YOU TELL US WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO, AND THEN WE CAN CONSIDER THAT AND WE CAN DEVELOP A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT, UH, TO WHERE YOU'LL HAVE A SYSTEM OF, OR A SERIES OF CHECKS OR CHECK-INS TO WHERE WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THESE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. NOW LET'S FOCUS ON THE SIDE FOR SIDES. UM, YOU COULD DO ALL AT ONCE, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DO ALL AT ONCE, AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON AND WE CAN SIGN A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS WHEN THAT'LL BE DONE, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. OKAY, THANK YOU. I CAN, THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU. I WAS THINKING THAT TOO, LIKE WINDOWS. YEAH. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO, TO MENTION TO THE APPLICANT, YOU, YOU HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE TO BE A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOME. YEAH, IT NEEDS A LITTLE WORK, BUT, UM, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME AND WITH THE RIGHT WORK ON IT, YOU HAVE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HELP LIFT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD UP. UM, I, I WOULD HOPE SO. UM, MY CONCERN ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PHOTOS THAT I SHOWED YOU BEFORE, ESPECIALLY MY NEIGHBORS, UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE IT. I MEAN, IT HURTS A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE IT, IT, IT DOES SEEM AS THOUGH IF IF MY NEIGHBORHOOD WERE PERSONIFIED, YOU KNOW, THIS, HE'S GOT A, HE'S GOT A, A BUM LEG AND, AND SOME OPEN, OPEN WOUNDS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO, UH, I I WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE WINDOWS, BUT IT'S JUST, IT, IT DOES KIND OF HURT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS WHEN MY NEIGHBOR ALSO HAS VINYL WINDOWS AND I HAVE TWO VEHICLES PARKED IN THE LAWN. I HAVE DOGS RUNNING RAMPANT. I HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE GOING INTO VACANT ELMS NEAR ME, LIKE LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO KIND OF WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WINDOWS WHEN I, I'M DEALING WITH THAT ON A DAILY BASIS. UM, AND I JUST WISH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING COULD BE DONE AND I TOTALLY GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THIS IS, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, WITH THE STATE'S, UH, SORRY, WITH THE CITY'S UDC, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU GET INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S, UH, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND LIVING WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. OHP WILL HELP YOU GET TO COMPLIANCE WITH UDC AND THEY ARE GONNA WORK WITH YOU, GONNA EDUCATE [01:15:01] YOU ON WHAT'LL HELP YOU GET TO THE RIGHT, UH, COMPLIANCE. I, I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP ANYONE ELSE'S TIME. MR. CUNNINGHAM. THANK YOU. YOU'RE NOT TAKING UP ANYBODY ELSE'S TIME YOU'VE INVESTED INTO YOUR CITY, WHICH I COMMEND YOU FOR BECAUSE NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE DOING IT. AND IT IS HARD TO HAVE TO FACE THAT I AM CURRENTLY DOING, GOING THROUGH THAT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I DEARLY LOVE AND NO ONE GUIDED THEM. AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO PUT IT BACK SO THAT WE CAN REGAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU ARE NEVER WASTING ANY TIME WHEN YOU HAVE THE INTEGRITY TO COME IN AND DO IT, RIGHT? YOU WERE GIVEN ALL THESE LEFTOVERS, BUT YOU HAVE, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE AN HONORABLE MAN BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE PATH CORRECTLY THAT YOU ARE MODELING FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS PAINFUL, BUT YOU ARE THAT ANCIENT OF CHANGE THAT WILL ESTABLISH A NEW STANDARDS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU WANT TO ELEVATE. AND I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT. THE ONLY THING I ASK OF YOU IS THAT THE SAME STANDARD IN HOW YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD, DON'T GIVE UP ON THAT. YOU ARE THE MODEL. YOU ARE THE NEW LEADER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DIDN'T GET TO THOSE OTHERS, BUT YOU ARE THE NEW LEADER THAT'S ELEVATING THOSE STANDARDS. AND I KNOW IT'S PAINFUL, BUT I SO RESPECT THE METHOD THAT YOU'RE TAKING AND I HOPE THAT AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE THE VALUE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING. OH YEAH, I HOPE SO. YEAH. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, RACHEL. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER, UH, QUICK POINT OF INFORMATION, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. AS, AS WE'RE STARTING TO SET PRECEDENTS HERE, ARE THERE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF ON HOW WE WEIGH THE PROS AND CONS OF, OF POSTPONING A DECISION OR HANDING OFF CERTAIN ELEMENTS TO THE HDRC? HDRC? UH, OKAY, SO YEAH, UM, SORRY. YEAH, IT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING, UM, THAT WOULD BEST BE SUITED BY A WORK SESSION SETTING. UM, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO REFER ALL OF THE, I LIKE ALL OF THE REQUESTS OR ONE ITEM IN PARTICULAR TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. UM, AND THAT CAN ALSO BE A SITE VISIT SOMETIMES TOO. SOMETIMES IT HELPS TO SEE THEM IN PERSON. AND SO THOSE ARE ALWAYS SCHEDULED FOR LIKE THE VERY NEXT WEEK AND THOSE CASES CAN COME AND BE ON THE VERY NEXT AGENDA HERE. UM, WITH THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND CLARIFICATION, WE WILL ADDRESS THE NEXT ITEM, MA'AM. YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 11 3 20 MADISON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE. INSTALL A 10 FOOT WIDE STAMPED AND STAINED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. TWO, INSTALL A FOUR FOOT WIDE STAMPED AND STAINED CONCRETE FRONT WALKWAY THREE, INSTALL STAMPED AND STAINED CONCRETE FRONT FRONT PORCH STEPS FOUR, INSTALL BRICK CLA CONCRETE PLANTERS AT THE FRONT PORCH. FIVE. INSTALL CONCRETE CURBING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AND SIX, INSTALL AN EIGHT FOOT TALL REAR WOOD PRIVACY FENCE. I WILL BRIEFLY WALK YOU THROUGH STAFF'S FINDINGS AS JESSICA GOES THROUGH THE CASE FILE FOR YOU ALL. UH, SO FINDING B UH, IS REGARDING COMPLIANCE. SO THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO THE HDRC IN 2021 AND RECEIVED APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE DRIVEWAY WITH A 10 FOOT WIDE FULLY CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH PAVERS AT THE REAR. AND ALSO RECEIVED AN ADMINISTRATIVE COA IN 2021 AS WELL FOR APPROVAL TO RECONSTRUCT A FULLY CONCRETE FRONT PORCH, UH, I'M SORRY, FULLY CONCRETE. FRONT PORCH STEPS TO MATCH THE DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING STEPS AND THE INSTALLATION OF CONCRETE PLANTS. UM, AND THEN ADDITIONAL COAS WERE, UH, APPROVED, UH, IN THOSE SUBSEQUENT YEARS. STAFF RECEIVED A REPORT ON MARCH 4TH, 2024. THAT WORK WAS TAKING PLACE OUTSIDE OF APPROVALS. STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT ON MARCH 4TH AND OBSERVED THAT A STAMP AND STAINED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY FRONT WALKWAY AND FRONT STEPS HAD BEEN INSTALLED THAT DID NOT MATCH PREVIOUS APPROVALS THAT THE DRIVEWAY EXCEEDED 10 FEET IN WIDTH AT THE REAR. THAT CONCRETE CURBING WAS INSTALLED AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THAT CONCRETE PLANTERS WERE INSTALLED AGAINST THE FRONT PORCH. SKIRTING, UH, STAFF, STAFF ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER ON MARCH 4TH AND HAS SINCE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO, UM, APPROVE ADDITIONAL EXTERIOR SCOPES OF WORK THAT WERE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TODAY TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THE SITE WORK AS INSTALLED, UH, FOR THE DRIVEWAY INSTALLATION, UH, AND FRONT WALKWAY PLACEMENT, UM, OR REPLACEMENT RATHER. STAFF FINDS THAT THE, UH, DRIVEWAY AND WALKWAY AS INSTALLED ARE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE AND THAT THE STAIN IS TEMPORARY BASED ON, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT [01:20:01] PER FRONT PORCH STEP REPLACEMENT FOR PER THE GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS, UM, WHICH STATE THAT REPLACEMENT ELEMENTS SUCH AS STAIRS SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO BE SIMPLE, SO AS NOT TO DISTRACT FROM THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING AND TO NOT ADD NEW ELEMENTS AND DETAILS THAT CREATE A FALSE HISTORIC APPEARANCE. STAFF FINDS THAT THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED STEPS ARE CLOSER IN APPEARANCE, DIMENSIONS AND DESIGN TO WHAT WOULD'VE ORIGINALLY BEEN INSTALLED AT THE FRONT PORCH. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS EXPRESSED THAT THE MODIFIED FRONT STEP CONFIGURATION WAS CHOSEN FOR A DA COMPLIANCE AND THE INSTALLATION OF A TEMPORARY A DA ACCESSIBLE RAMP IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PER THE PLANTER INSTALLATION. UM, BASED ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS, NEW ELEMENTS SHOULD NOT BE ADDED TO FRONT PORCHES TO CREATE A FALSE HISTORIC APPEARANCE. PERMANENT PLANTERS ARE NOT HISTORICALLY COMMON FRONT PORCH SURROUNDS AND ARE NOT TRADITIONALLY FOUND IN THE KING WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICT AND STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSAL INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES PER THE CURBING INSTALLATION. UH, STAFF FINDS THAT THE, UH, REQUEST IS GENERALLY APPROPRIATE WITHIN THE PRINCIPLES OF THE GUIDELINES, BUT FINDS THAT THE SKIRTING SHOULD BE REGULARLY INSPECTED TO ENSURE THAT MOISTURE IS NOT BEING TRAPPED BETWEEN THE CURBING AND THE SKIRTING MATERIAL. AND FOR THE PRIVACY FENCE INSTALLATION, UH, STAFF FINDS THAT PER THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE THE REAR FENCE SHOULD NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT FOR THE RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING C. ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT WALKWAY INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING D. ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH STEP INSTALLATION WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FRONT PORCH STEPS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED OF UNSTAINED AND UNSTAMPED CONCRETE THAT FEATURE A TRADITIONAL FOOTPRINT CONFIGURATION PROFILE AND DIMENSIONS AND ARE FLANKED BY CONCRETE PLIN BASED ON FINDING E AND UPDATED SITE PLAN AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA ITEM FOUR. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PLANTER INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING F THE APPLICANT MUST ENTER INTO A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT WITH STAFF WITH A TIMELINE FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE PLANTERS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA FOR THE REMAINING REQUEST ITEMS. ITEM FIVE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PERIMETER CURBING BASED ON FINDING G. AND ITEM SIX, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF REAR WOOD PRIVACY FENCE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A REAR PRIVACY FENCE THAT DOES NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT BASED ON FINDING H AN UPDATED SITE PLAN AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF WHERE REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND TWO, ANY FENCING AND GATES MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14. THERE ARE TWO SUPPORT LETTERS IN YOUR FOLDER AS WELL AS ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION. WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL AND ALSO ONE IN PERSON SPEAKER AS WELL. AND THE APPLICANT, MAGGIE WILLIS IS WITH US IN PERSON. GOOD MORNING, I'M MAGGIE M I'M THE HOMEOWNER AT THREE 20 MADISON STREET. YOUR REQUEST NOW . OKAY, SO WE JUST START WITH THE DRIVEWAY AND WALK AWAY. IS THAT WHERE WE NEED TO START? OKAY. UH, SO, UH, THE DRIVEWAY WAS INSTALLED WHERE THE PREVIOUS DRIVEWAY WAS, UH, DEMOED. UH, AT ONE SECTION OF THE DRIVEWAY YOU'LL SEE MEASUREMENTS AND PHOTOS. IT, UH, AT THE INTEREST OF THE DRIVEWAY, IT MEASURES 10 FEET ACROSS, UH, PER THE GUIDELINES AND WHERE THE, UH, PREVIOUS DRIVEWAY EXISTED. UH, AT ONE POINT THE DRIVEWAY DOES CURVE AND FLARE OUT AT ONE SIDE TO 11 FEET, TWO INCHES. UH, THAT WAS DONE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS, UM, BOLLARD SYSTEM. UM, THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR'S, UH, MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY WITH EIGHT GAS METERS. UH, SHE CALLED CPS AND SAID SHE WAS CONCERNED THAT SOMEONE IN MY DRIVEWAY MAY HIT HER GAS METERS. IT WAS A WHOLE THING. CPS CAME OUT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. THIS WAS THEIR SOLUTION THAT CPS, UH, CONTRACTED, PAID FOR, AND INSTALLED. UM, IT WAS PRESENTED TO US AS A, AS AN OPTION. I DO NOT THINK IT WAS TRULY AN OPTION. HAD WE NOT AGREED TO IT, I THINK THEY WOULD'VE PROBABLY REQUIRED IT BE DONE ANYWAY. BUT IF IT'S A MATTER OF SAFETY, WE WERE, IT'S KIND OF UGLY, BUT IS IT ANY UGLIER THAN THE GAS METERS? SO WE WERE KIND OF FINE WITH IT. MY ELECTRICAL SERVICE IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY. UM, AND SO THE CONCRETE WAS KIND OF POURED TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES COMING IN AND HAVING TO MANEUVER BETWEEN THE BOLLARDS ON THAT SIDE AND THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE UP AGAINST THE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOME, LEFT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY. UH, SO AT ONE POINT IT DOES EXCEED THE 10 FEET TO 11 FEET, TWO INCHES, UM, AND THEN KIND OF COMES BACK [01:25:01] IN. SO 11 TO 11 FEET, TWO INCHES IS AT ITS WIDEST POINT, UM, TO KIND OF MANEUVER THROUGH THERE. MY HUSBAND'S TRUCK IS NINE FEET, SEVEN INCHES WIDE. AND SO IT WAS, IT'S A TIGHT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TIGHT SQUEEZE ALREADY. UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO TO ACCOMMODATE THE CPS INSTALLATION AND STILL HAVING A DRIVEWAY. UH, THE PAVERS, THE STAMPED CONCRETE, UH, WAS A PROPOSITION OF OUR CONTRACTOR AS A REPLACEMENT FOR PAVERS, WHICH WERE ORIGINALLY, UH, PLANNED. UH, I BRIEFLY QUICKLY CHECKED THE GUIDELINES TO SEE IF THIS WAS A A COST ISSUE. UM, AT THIS POINT, WE ARE THREE YEARS AND $1.5 MILLION INTO THIS RENOVATION ON A HOME THAT WAS A CANDIDATE FOR DEMOLITION. UM, UH, SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF COST SAVING MEASURES 'CAUSE WE TOO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE INTO OUR HOME. UM, PAYING TWO MORTGAGES FOR THREE YEARS IS NOT FUN. SO, UH, I AGREE WITH MR. CUNNINGHAM ON THAT. UH, HOWEVER, THAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED AS A COST SAVING MEASURE TO STILL ACHIEVE THE LOOK OF TRADITIONAL, UH, BRICK DRIVEWAY. UH, I DID CHECK THE GUIDELINES. D DOES NOT HAVE ANY MENTION OF STAMPED OR STAINED CONCRETE AS A VIOLATION. UH, ALSO IT EXISTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'VE SUBMITTED PICTURES OF THAT. AND SO IT WAS KIND OF A GAME TIME DECISION THAT YES, IT'S SAVES MONEY, STEEL ACHIEVES THE SAME LOOK AS OUR ORIGINAL INTENTION. UM, UH, LET'S, LET'S PROCEED. UH, I SHOULD HAVE FILED A NEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE THE MATERIALS, EVEN THOUGH I WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE SAME LOOK, I SHOULD HAVE FILED A NEW, OR MY CONTRACTOR SHOULD HAVE FILED A NEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO, TO CONTINUE WITH, UH, STAMPED INSTEAD OF STAINED. THAT STAIN IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS EXPLAINED TO US. UM, IT'S ACTUALLY MUCH MORE TEMPORARY THAN WE THOUGHT. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE, YOU KNOW, SCRUBBED IT A LITTLE BIT WITH A BROOM AND RINSED IT WITH A HOSE, AND IT, IT'S, IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY REMOVABLE IF THAT IS THE ISSUE. WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. I STOPPED, I DIDN'T WANNA DO ANYMORE UNTIL, UH, I HAD THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, IT MAY NEED, IF IT HAS TO BE CONCRETE GRAY, IT MAY NEED TO BE STAINED THAT COLOR JUST TO GET RID OF THE REMNANTS OF THE RED. UM, WE GOT NOTHING BUT COMPLIMENTS OF PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THE STREET GOING, WOW, THAT LOOKS REALLY GREAT. YOU'LL SEE IN THE LETTER, MY NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET CAME OVER AND SAID, GOSH, I WISH I COULD HAVE DONE A BRICK WALL WALKWAY. AND DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE IT WAS NOT BRICK UNTIL I TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS STAINED CONCRETE. UM, SO, UM, THAT WAS WHY THAT THAT CHOICE WAS MADE. THE WALKWAY IS, IS THE SAME. UM, ORIGINALLY WAS, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PAVERS. UH, THE STEPS MODIFICATION, UH, THAT WAS DESIGNED BY, WE HIRED A PROFESSIONAL DESIGNER TO CREATE A DESIGN THAT, UM, MATCHED THE WIDTH OF WHAT STAIRS WOULD BE. THERE, NOT WHAT WAS EXISTING. THE STAIRS THAT WERE EXISTING, UM, WERE A MISHMASH OF WOOD AND CONCRETE SUNK ABOUT 18 INCHES INTO THE GROUND ON ONE END. UH, AND THEY WERE JUST BROKEN APART. AND THERE WASN'T, THERE WASN'T A, A LOT OF REFERENCES MADE TO, TO REPLACING WHAT WAS THERE OR REPLACING EXISTING. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE, THERE WAS A LOT OF, THERE WASN'T A LOT EXISTING THAT WAS, UH, REPLACEMENT WORTHY. UM, THIS, THIS PROPERTY HAD BEEN, UM, TURNED INTO A FOURPLEX AND THEN A, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, OUT OF CODE SIXPLEX AT ONE POINT. SO, UM, AFTER THE DEMOLITION OF SIX KITCHENS AND SEVEN BATHROOMS TO CREATE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME FOR MY FAMILY, UM, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN. THE MODIFIED, THE, THE STEPS ARE THE ORIGINAL, UM, THE, THE, THE APPROPRIATE WIDTH BETWEEN THE FRONT TWO COLUMNS AS THEY ARE ON NEOCLASSICAL AND GREEK REVIVAL HOMES. THIS HOME IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH OF THOSE STYLES AS A, A LOT OF KING WILLIAM HOMES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDENTITY CRISIS WHERE THEY'VE GOT SOME, UM, FEATURES, FEATURES OF DIFFERENT HOMES. UM, THE CREATION OF THE LONGER RUN AND SHORTER RISE OF THESE STEPS WAS AT MY REQUEST TO ACCOMMODATE A WHEELCHAIR. UM, AND THE SPECIFIC MEASUREMENT WAS REALLY ONLY KIND OF RELAYED TO THE CONTRA CONTRACTOR AS I NEED IT WIDE ENOUGH TO GET THE WHEELCHAIR, YOU KNOW, SHORT, SHORTER RISE, LONG ENOUGH RUN TO, TO GET A WHEELCHAIR. I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE A, A RAMP IN FRONT OF MY HOME BECAUSE IT WON'T BE DAILY ACCESS. UM, BUT, UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE MY MOTHER-IN-LAW. UH, I DO LIKE HER AND I, I I ACTUALLY LOVE HER. SHE'S WONDERFUL, AND I'D LIKE HER TO VISIT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND THEN, UM, SO WE ARE AGAIN, FULLY WILLING TO REMOVE UNSTAINED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TERM IS, IF THE STAIN IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. AGAIN, THERE IS NO MENTION OF STAINED OR STAMPED CONCRETE IN THE GUIDELINES. SO WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO ME AS A SOLUTION, UH, UH, UH, I, I, WE, WE AGREED. IS THAT ALL ON THIS, ON THE WALKWAY AND STEPS? [01:30:01] YES. AND THEN IF YOU WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THE, THE PLANTERS YES. INSTALLATION AND CURBING. YES. YES. OKAY. SO THE CONCRETE CURBING WAS, UM, THE HOUSE HAD SUN IN SO FAR INTO THE GROUND. UM, IT WAS LIFTED AS MUCH AS IT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE, WAS ABLE TO BE LIFTED. IT REQUIRED ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS, AND THE HOUSE WAS ON 17 JACKS. AT ONE POINT. OUR ENGINEER HAD NO IDEA HOW THE HOME WAS STILL STANDING. THIS HOME WOULD'VE FALLEN AND KILLED SOMEBODY VERY SOON. UM, SO, UH, WHAT HE REQUIRED, UM, PER THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS SPECIFICATIONS TO PROTECT THE FOUNDATION AS WELL AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CRAWL, CRAWL SPACE. SO WE NEED TO PREVENT ANY SORT OF, UM, WATER PENETRATION OR AS MUCH WATER PENETRATION AS POSSIBLE. UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO REPAIR IT, UM, SHOULD THAT WE, WE JUST DON'T, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SPACE IN THERE TO FIX IT, SHOULD SOMETHING GO WRONG. SO WE HAVE, UM, 102 CONCRETE PIERS. WE'RE HOPING IT DOESN'T, WE'RE IT'S GONNA MOVE. WE'VE GOT CLAY SOIL, UM, BUT WE'RE HOPING IT DOESN'T MOVE MUCH. AND WE'RE HOPING TO PREVENT AS MUCH WATER PENETRATION UNDER THE FOUNDATION AS POSSIBLE. THE CURBS WERE DESIGNED TO DIVERT WATER. WE HAVE A 10 INCH DECLINE FROM THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY TO THE FRONT. THE CURBS ARE DESIGNED TO DIVERT WATER AWAY FROM OUR HOME AS WELL AS OUR TWO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. SO WE AREN'T JUST PUSHING IT UNDER THEIR HOMES. THAT'S THE CURB. AND THEN THE PLANTERS, UM, BECAUSE THE CURBING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE WAS CONCRETE, UM, THE PLANTERS WERE GOING OR WERE PLANNED TO DISGUISE WHAT WOULD BE UGLY CONCRETE SKIRTING AS OPPOSED TO A PLANTER BOX. THOSE WERE JUST IN PROCESS. IF YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A PILE OF ABOUT 300 BIT BRICKS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SALVAGE FROM A CRUMBLED CHIMNEY AND THE MAKESHIFT WALKWAY THAT WAS THERE. WE FOUND THE RED BRICKS UNDERNEATH THERE. AND SO WE'VE PILED THEM UP ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE MIGHT USE THEM. AND SO WE WERE HOPING TO JUST INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN. UM, AND, AND THOSE, THOSE PLANTER BOXES WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, EITHER PLASTERED, UM, EITHER COVER COVERED WITH THAT BRICK OR, UH, IF THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH OF THAT BRICK TO DO THEM BOTH, UH, PURCHASING OF A, A NEW OR SIMILAR BRICK TO CREATE A MORE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE DESIGN. UM, THERE WAS NEVER ANY INTENTION FOR THE CONCRETE PLANTERS TO BE VISIBLE LONG TERM. IT WAS, THAT WAS LITERALLY MID-PROJECT. THEY'RE NOT, IF YOU CAN SEE, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE PARGE COAT ON 'EM YET. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE COMPLETELY STOPPED. SO THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE CURRENT WIDTH, UH, DIMENSIONS OF THE WALKWAY AS STAMPED AND NOT STAINED. UM, BECAUSE I CAN, I BELIEVE THAT THE UNS STAIN PROCESS CAN, CAN HAPPEN RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND ECONOMICALLY. UM, AND THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND IS AN AMAZING LANDSCAPER. AND SO THAT IS THE INTENTION OF THE PLANTER BOXES WAS TO HIDE CONCRETE SKIRTING, WHICH THE ENGINEER REQUIRED. BUT TO CREATE A, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE A VERY PRETTY FLOWER BED OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME HERBS AND FLOWERS AND NATIVE PLANTS AND THINGS THAT, THINGS THAT GO THERE AND, AND LOOK AND LOOK GOOD. UM, SO THAT'S THE RENDERING OF THE DRIVEWAY AND, UH, WALKWAY AND STEPS AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED STRUCTURALLY WITHOUT THE RED STAIN. AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A RENDERING OF, WITH THE RED STA WITH THE RED AND WITHOUT, UM, I THINK THE RED IS KIND OF CHARMING AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, BUT I, BUT IT'S NOT, I'M NOT, IT'S NOT A HILL I'M WILLING TO DIAL. SO, UM, IF IT NEEDS TO BE GRAY, THEN LET'S MAKE IT GRAY. I WILL NOW BRIEFLY BROUGHT, GO AHEAD. UM, SOME ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED REGARDING THE REAR PRIVACY FENCE. AND, UH, SO WE HAVE PHOTOS HERE SHOWING EXISTING EIGHT FOOT TALL REAR PRIVACY FENCES AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT SHARE A PROPERTY LINE. UH, THE REQUEST FOR THE REAR, UH, EIGHT FOOT FENCE THERE, UH, AS RACHEL STATED, WE DO HAVE, UM, THAT, THAT IS, UM, THE REAR OF OUR NEIGHBOR'S EIGHT FOOT FENCE. THERE IS ALSO, YOU CAN SEE ON THE INSIDE OF THAT, AN ADDITIONAL TREE LIMB AND BARBED WIRE FENCE THAT IS ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF TO NINE FEET TALL. WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT WAS OURS, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT THE CHAIN LINK IS WHERE OUR PROPERTY STARTS. UM, WE HAVE A VERY FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS NEIGHBOR ON THIS SIDE. AND SO IF THEY WANT THAT REMOVED, UM, UH, I, I HAD HONESTLY ASSUMED THAT THE BARBED WIRE HAD BEEN PUT THERE BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF, OF OUR HOME. 'CAUSE IT WOULD KIND OF JUST FIT RIGHT INTO THE, THE NARRATIVE OF IN THE LORE OF THIS HOME. UH, BUT IT TURNS OUT IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM REMOVING THAT. BUT THAT WOULD BE WITH THEIR PERMISSION THAT, THAT, THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO US. SO WE ARE HAPPY TO REMOVE IT AS WE HAVE WORK DONE. BUT THAT WOULD BE, UM, WITH THEIR CONSENT IS IT'S NOT ON OUR PROPERTY LINE. UH, SO [01:35:01] THAT'S EXISTING EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON THAT SIDE. UM, THE RECOMMENDATION OF A FENCE NOT TO EXCEED SIX FEET, UM, BASED ON THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, 35 5 14. UM, SO I, BASED ON THAT EXACT SAME CODE, OUR PROPERTY QUALIFIES OR, UH, OFFENSE MAY BE ERECTED OR ALTERED UP TO A HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET. UM, I HAVE THREE SECTIONS OF THE CODE OF WHICH THAT QUALIFIES. THE ONE THAT I THINK IS MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SIMPLE IS WE HAVE AN INGROUND POOL AND A SIDE AND REAR FENCE OF A PROPERTY WITH AN INGROUND POOL. UM, MAY HAVE A, AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UH, ERECTED. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF, OF, OF DOWNTOWN. AND, UM, NOT ONLY SAFETY AND SECURITY, BUT THAT KIND OF MAKES, MAKES SENSE TO ME OUTSIDE OF THAT SECTION 35 5 14 C TWO E AS THE, UH, FENCE MAY BE ERECTED OR ALTERED UP TO A HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET WHERE THE FENCE IS LOCATED ON A SIDE OR REAR LOT LINE OF A SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX OR MIXED RESIDENTIAL USE, WHICH ABUTS A MULTI-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PARK OR USE, UH, THE PROPERTY TO THE REAR OF US IS 10 21 SOUTH ALAMO. UH, THE ZONING IS RM FOUR, WHICH IS ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL MIS MIXED USE, BUT IT HAS A CLASSIFICATION, A SPECIAL USE FOR A RETAIL, AND IT'S A, A RETAIL STORE. UH, IT'S ACTUALLY A LAW OFFICE. UH, SO IT IS A, A RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE, UH, AS RETAIL STORE LAW OFFICE. UH, AND THE IMPROVEMENT AND THE LAND ON THAT PROPERTY ARE QUALIFIED OR ARE CLASSIFIED AS COMMERCIAL. UH, SO ALTHOUGH THE, UH, HEADLINE HEADING ZONING IS RM FOUR RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE, THAT PROPERTY IS CLASSIFIED AS A RETAIL STORE, UH, AND TAXED AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BECAUSE OF ITS, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IN KING WILLIAM AND IN A LOT OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE HAVE OLD HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED, TURNED INTO BUSINESSES. AND THAT'S STANDARD PRACTICE. SO THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO. BUT THE ZONING DOES QUALIFY, UM, QUALIFY THAT, THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY FOR AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UM, TO THE RIGHT OF OUR, THERE YOU GO. THAT'S THE, UH, UH, BOUNDARY SURVEY. SO THE LAW OFFICE IS LOT SIX, THE EXISTING EIGHT EIGHT FOOT FENCE. AND THE BARB WIRE THAT YOU SAW, UM, IS ON THAT, UH, UH, THE BORDER OF LOT 25 IS WHERE THAT PICTURE IS. AND THEN 3 26 MADISON STREET, UH, LYING TO THE RIGHT OF OUR PROPERTY, UM, IS, UH, ALSO RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE RM FOUR DASH CD, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL, I'M SORRY, SORRY, SORRY, SORRY. LEMME NOT CONDITIONAL USE. SORRY. THANK YOU. UM, UH, UH, CONDITIONAL USE, UM, A, UH, IT'S AN EIGHT UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, UM, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. UM, UH, AND BY ALL DEFINITIONS, I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER. I MEAN, OUR CONTRACT, EVERY, EVERYTHING INVOLVED IS COMMERCIAL. ALL ALSO THE LAND AND BUILDING ARE TAXED AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, UH, BY THE COUNTY. UH, THERE WAS ACTUALLY AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON THAT SIDE AT SOME POINT DURING DEMO WHEN WE PUT UP A CONSTRUCTION FENCE, A LOT OF THAT WAS DEMOED. SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO PUT UP A SIX FOOT FENCE, UM, THEIR FENCE, PART OF THEIR FENCE WOULD STICK OVER OUR SIX FOOT FENCE AS WELL ON AS THE ONE ON THE SIDE OF THREE 20 MADISON. IF WE PUT UP A SIX FOOT FENCE, WE'D HAVE THAT BARBED WIRE, TREE STUMP FENCE AND WHATEVER ELSE IS BACK THERE, PLUS THE BACK OF THEIR EIGHT FENCE, EIGHT FOOT FENCE SHOWING OVER OUR FENCE. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I'M BUILDING MY DREAM HOME AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO ENJOY MY BACKYARD AND THAT WOULD BE A QUITE AN EYESORE. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, JUSTIFICATION OR OR REASON WE ARE REQUESTING THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. UM, THERE. SO WE'VE GOT, UM, EXISTING EIGHT FOOT FENCE POOL, AND THEN WE ARE BOUND TO, UH, THE BOUNDARY OF, OR, OR HAVE A, BUT TO BOTH COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE REAR AND ON THAT SIDE. UM, IS THAT ALL FOR ? IS THAT THOROUGH COMPLETE? I'M THOROUGH. THERE'S ONE, THERE'S ONE THING. I HAVE MORE NOTES. ANYTHING ELSE, MA'AM? UM, IS THAT ALL, EVERYTHING? IS THAT, DOES IT FEEL LIKE THERE'S ONE MORE THING? THOSE ARE ALL THE REQUEST ITEMS. OKAY. SO AS A REMINDER, UM, I'LL PUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE SCREEN FOR THE BOARD. SO ONCE AGAIN, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE DRIVEWAY INSTALLATION ITEM TWO, THE FRONT WALKWAY INSTALLATION, AND ITEM FIVE, THE PERIMETER CURBING. AND THEN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, THE FRONT PORCH STEP INSTALLATION WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS THE FRONT PORCH STEPS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY, UM, AN ADMINISTRATIVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM FOUR STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PLANTER INSTALLATION AND ITEM STICKS. STAFF IS APPROVING, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A REAR WOOD PRIVACY FENCE THAT DOES NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. AND WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. SO WE DO HAVE ONE IN PERSON, SPEAKER, AND ONE VOICEMAIL. YEAH. RACHEL, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST PUTTING THE HISTORIC PHOTO ON THE SCREEN AND I'LL JUST EXPLAIN [01:40:01] QUICKLY, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THREE AND FOUR. UM, YEAH, JUST SO LIKE, AND, AND THEN PROBABLY THE RENDERING ABOVE IT. UM, I MEAN, OUR MAIN CONCERN IS THAT WHAT, YOU KNOW, THESE STEPS, THE CONCRETE STEPS WERE NOT ORIGINAL. IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN WOOD STEPS, UM, BUT THEY WOULD'VE BEEN IN THAT LOCATION. AND THE, UM, PRESENCE OF A PLANT ON EITHER SIDE IS PRETTY TYPICAL, UM, FOR THIS STYLE OF HOME IN THAT PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION. AND SO WE JUST FIND THIS TO BE A MORE APPROPRIATE KIND OF CONFIGURATION FOR THE PORCH AND STEPS. UM, AND IT IS IMPORTANT 'CAUSE IT'S THE FRONT, UM, THE PLANTERS IS KIND OF NON, UH, NOT, UH, UH, TYPICAL, UH, FOR THAT PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT'S THE CONCERN. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. UM, WITH THAT, WE CAN BRING OUR IN-PERSON, SPEAKER MICKEY CONRAD UP. MA'AM, IF YOU WANNA HAVE A SEAT. OH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. I'M MICKEY CONRAD. I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION. AND LIKE YOU ALL, WE EXIST TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE KING WILLIAM DISTRICT. UH, WE LOOK AT MANY CASES AND FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES AND RECOMMEND THAT THE WORK BE APPROPRIATE. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THIS DRIVEWAY OR THE SIDEWALK THAT IS APPROPRIATE. THE GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY STATE TO REPLACE DRIVEWAYS AND SIDEWALKS WITH IN KIND MATERIALS FOLLOWING WIDTH PATTERNS, ALL THAT SORT OF THING. UH, THE INTRODUCTION OF RED DYED FAKE STAMPED BRICK IS REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE AT ALL. UM, FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY INSTANCES IN KING WILLIAM THAT HAVE IT. I KNOW THAT, THAT THERE MAY BE SOME PHOTOS FROM KING WILLIAM THAT WERE SHOWN JUST PREVIOUSLY MIGHT HAVE BEEN WORK THAT WAS NOT, UH, PERMITTED, UH, WHICH A LOT OF IT IS. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO REALLY CONSIDER IF WE'RE GONNA DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, WE NEED TO DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED OR WHAT IS CONSTRUCTED IS NOT APPROPRIATE. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY DID IT WITHOUT PERMISSION. AND I, I FEEL FOR 'EM, ALTHOUGH THIS IS ONE OF 16 APPLICATIONS TIED TO THIS PROPERTY, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS BEFORE, TALKED WITH STAFF, STAFF TELLS 'EM WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, GIVES 'EM STIPULATIONS, AND FOR SOME REASON, DECISIONS ARE MADE ON SITE TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. UM, SO THEY'RE HERE TO ASK FORGIVENESS RATHER THAN PERMISSION. I, UM, DO WANNA, UH, POINT OUT THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THE CURB. UH, THE APPLICATION MENTIONS THAT AN ENGINEER RECOMMENDED THAT. IF THAT'S THE CASE, I RECOMMEND THAT THAT ENGINEER PROVIDE THE REPORT BECAUSE THAT HOUSE HAS NO CRAWL SPACE VENTILATION. UM, THAT'S A RECIPE FOR DISASTER. WATER EVAPORATES UP TO THE SOIL, AND IF IT HAS NO WAY TO ESCAPE, THE UNDERFLOOR OF THAT HOUSE WILL ROT OVER TIME. UM, SO THE CURB IS TRAPPING WATER. WHEN RAIN WATER FALLS, IT'LL TRAP BETWEEN THE, THE CURB AND THE SKIRTING. IT'LL RUST, IT'LL ROT THE SKIRT AND THEN GET IN UNDER THE HOUSE. BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM IS, I SEE IS, UH, THE UNDER FLOOR VENTILATION. THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT I JUST NOTICED IT. UM, SO, AND THE THING ABOUT, UH, THE PLANTERS, WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF THAT THE, THE PLANTERS SHOULD BE REMOVED. UM, AND THEY TALK ABOUT A, A TIMELINE. WE'VE HAD INSTANCES WHERE TIMELINES WERE PROPOSED TO OWNERS. THEY, THE OWNER SOLD THE HOUSE, AND SO THEN ALL THE AGREEMENTS WENT AWAY. I RECOMMEND THAT THOSE PLANTERS BE REMOVED AND A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND APPROPRIATENESS AND THEIR TAX VERIFICATION BE WITHHELD UNTIL THEY REMOVE THOSE PLANTERS. UH, THE, THE IDEA OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS TO REPLACE IN KIND WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY. AND SO THE INTRODUCTION OF THESE NEW FAUX ELEMENTS IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND THE, THE MAIN PROBLEM IS IT'LL OPEN THE FLOOD. IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT'LL OPEN THE FLOODGATES FOR A BAD PRECEDENT BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL SAY, WELL, SO-AND-SO PUT STAMPED FAKE CONCRETE IN THEIR DRIVEWAY LIKE THEY DID AT THREE 20 MADISON, WHY CAN'T I DO IT? AND SO THEY'LL BE HERE BEFORE YOU OR THE STAFF WILL HAVE TO DENY 'EM, OR THEY'LL DO IT ON THEIR OWN AND HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR PERMISSION. I MEAN, UH, FORGIVENESS. UM, [01:45:02] SO I JUST, I JUST AM IMPLORE TO YOU, I, I, THAT, THAT YOU DO THE RIGHT THING AND NOT ALLOW THIS TO, UH, REMAIN. THANK YOU. AND I'LL PLAY THE VOICEMAIL AT THIS TIME. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RUDY ZEN MEISTER. I LIVE AT THREE ONE EIGHT MADISON. MY TELEPHONE NUMBER, I'M CALLING ABOUT THE HEARING, UH, REGARDING THE HOME AT THREE TWO OH MADISON STREET. THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MY HOME. AND, UH, SINCE WE MOVED HERE IN 2016, WE HAD TO LIVE NEXT TO A HOME INFESTED WITH RATS AND ANIMALS OF ALL SORTS. IN ADDITION TO BEING A MAJOR FIRE HAZARD, THE PROPERTY WAS ABOUT TO COLLAPSE UPON ITSELF. THE NEW OWNERS HAVE TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES TO COMPLETE A PROJECT THAT WILL MAKE THE HOME A JIM STONE OF THE KING WILLIAM AREA. AND I URGE APPROVAL OF ALL OF THE ITEMS IN QUESTION AT THE HEARING ON, UH, THE 22ND OF MARCH. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO A POSITIVE RESULT. AND THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, ONCE AGAIN, THERE ARE, WHO WAS HE LETTERS IN YOUR FOLDER? NEIGHBOR? THAT WAS HER NEIGHBOR. I'M SORRY. NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. AND WHAT WAS HIS NAME? RUDY IS IN MEISTER. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. PROCEED, MA'AM. SO DO I GET TO, UH, MAY I RESPOND? UM, I GUESS TO, UM, UH, MR. CONRAD'S CON WITH ALL THE RESPECT? I I WE'VE NEVER MET. UM, HE'S MY NEIGHBOR. JUST A MOMENT. OH, OKAY. OKAY. JUST ONE. RACHEL, I INTERRUPTED YOU. CAN YOU COMPLETE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? I DON'T THINK I WAS SAYING ANYTHING. I WAS RESPONDING TO THE NAME OF THE VOICEMAIL. YES. SO DO WE HAVE, CORY DO WE HAVE REBUTTAL TO ANY STATEMENTS THAT WERE DONE OR DO WE, CAN WE YEAH, THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND TO THE STATEMENTS. ALRIGHT, PROCEED MA'AM. OKAY. UM, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE MET MR. CONRAD. I DO KNOW THAT HE LIVES THREE DOORS DOWN FROM ME. UM, AND I BELIEVE, UH, I BELIEVE HE'S AN ARCHITECT AND I ABSOLUTELY RESPECT HIS, HIS POSITION. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, HIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 2009. UM, AND SO, UM, WHILE PROFESSIONALLY THERE MAY BE, UH, FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF, OF SOME OF THESE THINGS, THE, THE HOUSES TO THE THREE HOMES TO THE RIGHT OF ME BURNED DOWN IN THE EIGHTIES AND WERE REBUILT AT SOME POINT. UM, THREE 10 MADISON BEING IN 2009, UM, I HAVE MET ALL OF MY SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. I GUESS IT'S JUST BEEN COINCIDENCE THAT WE HAVE NOT MET. UM, AND I'D LOVE TO, TO CHANGE THAT. UM, SO THE, UH, CALL FROM SUPPORT WAS FROM OUR NEIGHBOR, MR. UH, RUDY, MR. ZINSMEISTER, THAT CALLED, UH, CALLED IN. YOU HEARD HIS VOICEMAIL. UH, IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT IS, UH, THREE 14 MADISON CLAY. UH, ONE OF THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT IS FROM HIM. UH, THE ADDITIONAL LETTER OF SUPPORT IS FROM OUR, UH, NEIGHBOR, UH, KIND OF CAT CORNER ACROSS THE STREET, UM, UH, FROM US AS WELL. UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REPLACING WITH LIKE, KIND, UM, THAT THE DRIVEWAY WAS A COMBINATION OF BROKEN CONCRETE, OLD BRICKS AND GRAVEL. UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN APPROPRIATE, UM, OR, OR A BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UM, HAVE LEFT THAT IN PLACE OR TO REPLACED IT WITH, TO HAVE REPLACED IT WITH LIKE KIND, UH, MATERIALS. UH, LIKE, AGAIN, AGAIN, AS FAR AS, UM, REPLACING IT WITH PAVERS, WE WOULD'VE LIKED TO DO THAT. IT WAS COST PROHIBITIVE. AND, AND THAT WAS A, A DECIS A DECISION THAT WAS MADE ON SITE. UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE SUGGESTION OF THE CONTRACTOR. UM, UH, AND IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE ENGINEER SPECIFICATIONS, UH, IF YOU LOOK UNDER THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE, UM, THERE IS AN OPENING THERE. UM, THE SIDES OF THE PORT PORCH ARE STILL OPEN AND HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, CLOSED OFF. UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A, UH, UH, AESTHETICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL, UM, TO LEAVE THAT OPEN FOR ADDITIONAL VENTING. UH, THE CURB IS NOT SOLID ALL THE WAY AROUND THE HOUSE, BUT DOES HAVE PLACES WHERE THE FOUNDATION CAN, UH, VENT, UH, AS WELL. SO, UM, THAT WAS, LIKE I SAID, SPECIFICALLY DONE FOR THE, BY [01:50:01] THE ENGINEER, FOR THE ENGINEER SPECIFICATIONS, UH, AND BETWEEN THE, UH, THE GC AND THE CONCRETE CONTRACTOR. UM, THE ONLY PART IN THAT DECISION MAKING, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT IS, IS AN EXCUSE, IS THAT I AGREE, I AGREED THAT IT WOULD BE A REASONABLE SOLUTION TO DO, UH, STAMPED CONCRETE BECAUSE I'D SEEN IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THERE IS NO MENTION OF IT BEING NOT ALLOWED IN THE GUIDELINES. IF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, UM, WHICH I AM A LIFETIME MEMBER OF AND HAVE BEEN SINCE THE WEEK WE PURCHASED THE HOME, UM, FEELS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT STAMPED CONCRETE OR STAINED CONCRETE BEING A VIOLATION OR PROHIBITED FROM BEING, UM, UH, INSTALLED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, THAT GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF AMENDING THE CITY GUIDELINES AND, AND, AND ADAPTING A NEW GUIDELINE, UH, THAT DOES PROHIBIT THAT, SO THAT WHEN A HOMEOWNER DOES MAKE A REFERENCE TO THE GUIDELINES, UM, WE CAN ALL BE IN ALIGNMENT. UM, I WOULD'VE BEEN THRILLED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, UM, WITH MR. CONRAD AS I, AS I HAVE WITH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS UP AND DOWN THE STREET, UM, WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT, UM, EXPRESS, UH, SUPPORT. SO MY INTENTION IS ABSOLUTELY NEVER TO COMPROMISE THE, UH, INTEGRITY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS MY, MY HOME AND THESE ARE MY PEOPLE AND, UH, AND I WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND SO, UH, UM, MY ASK IS THAT I, I CAN'T AFFORD TO BUST OUT STAMP CONCRETE AND POUR, UH, UH, UH, FLAT CONCRETE, UM, OR TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE LOOKED INTO THE OPTIONS OF HAVING IT GROUND DOWN. UM, AT THIS, AT THIS POINT, UM, ALMOST ALL PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COST PROHIBITIVE. UM, UH, MY, MY, WE ARE NO LONGER IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS CONTRACTOR. UM, SOME OF THESE DECISIONS WERE, UH, MADE INDEPENDENTLY, UH, SOMEWHAT ROGUE. UM, HOWEVER, IT'S MY HOME AND I'M ULTIMATELY THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED. SO THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T SAID THAT. MY ATTORNEY IS ON THE CALL IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND THE CONTRACTORS ACTING. UH, OUT OF TURN, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE RECEIVED A STOP WORK ORDER FROM THE CONTRACTOR'S, UM, ACTIONS, UM, THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN OUR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, ET CETERA. SO, UM, AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, TRYING TO RECOUP QUITE OF A, QUITE A BIT OF, OF, UH, MISSING MONEY IN ORDER TO JUST, UM, GET EVERYTHING DONE. WE'RE UP AGAINST A DEADLINE OF, UH, UM, THE THIRD EXTENSION ON A CONSTRUCTION LOAN. UM, THAT IS, UH, UM, APRIL 20TH. UH, AND SO, UM, I HAVE GOT LESS THAN 30 DAYS TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT AND CLOSE MY LOAN. SO, UM, AGAIN, MY INTENTION, AND I KNOW THAT INTEN, WE KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT INTENTIONS AND, AND HOW THEY'RE, UH, PAVED OR, UH, BUT, UH, PLANTER BOXES. UM, IF, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE 1970 PHOTO, 1972 PHOTO THAT YOU SENT ME? I'D NEVER SEEN THAT PHOTO. THANK YOU FOR SENDING IT. UM, BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE RISE AND RUN OF THE STEP. UH, IT'S IN THE EXACT SAME DIMENSIONS AS THE ORIGINAL. I JUST SAW THIS. AND THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WOOD STEPS. THERE WEREN'T WOOD STEPS WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, A HODGEPODGE OF WHATEVER. I CAN'T TELL IF THAT'S A HEDGE IN FRONT, BUT IT DOES APPEAR TO BE SOME SORT OF PLANTER BOX WITH SOME PLANTS INSIDE OF IT. I CAN'T REALLY TELL WHAT THAT IS. BUT THE WALKWAY IS THE WIDTH, THE STEPS ARE THE WIDTH. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE RISE IN THE RUN OF TWO STEPS INSTEAD OF FOUR. UM, IF, IF I MIGHT, MADAM CHAIRMAN, I THINK, UH, I, THAT LOOKS LIKE GRASS TO ME. I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A PLANT. OH, IT MIGHT BE THE AN OKAY. YEAH. I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A, A SHADOWED, SHADOWED GRASS THERE. I, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME. CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT? I'M OVER HERE. SORRY. SORRY. UM, DO YOU HAVE, UM, FOUNDATION VENTING OR VENTILATION IN THE SKIRTING AROUND THE PERIMETER? SO, YES, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE SIDES OF THE PORCH HAVE NOT BEEN CLOSED UP YET. WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A, LIKE I SAID, AESTHETICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL. MY HUSBAND HATES LATTICE, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE TO LATTICE, UM, TO KEEP THE ENDS OF THE PORCH OPEN THERE. AND THEN ALONG THE PROPERTY, THERE'S ONE UNDER THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. UM, AND THEN ON THE, THE, THE, THE CURB DOES NOT BUTT UP TO THE HOUSE. THERE ARE OPENINGS THROUGHOUT THE PERIMETER. YES. I JUST WANTED TO, IT IS IMPORTANT. I MEAN, THE SPEAKER BROUGHT THIS UP, OF COURSE, THE CURBING AROUND THE FOUNDATION SKIRTING IS A LITTLE UNCONVENTIONAL. UM, NOT TO SAY IT COULDN'T WORK TO DIVERT WATER, IT'S JUST NOT WHAT IT'S NORMALLY DONE. USUALLY IT'S, UM, JUST YOUR GRADING AND FRENCH DRAINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SURE. AND ACTUALLY, THIS SIDE HAD A CURB THAT'S ACTUALLY A REPLACEMENT CURB. OKAY. THERE WAS A CONCRETE CURB ON THAT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY. WHAT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T WATER GETTING IN. SURE. BECAUSE NOW IT CAN'T GET OUT LIKE IT USED TO. AND THE HAVING THAT VENTILATION OF THE SKIRTING IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA ALLOW IT TO, TO BREATHE. SURE. I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING CALLED A SUMP PUMP, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS WELL. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT APPLICATION, BUT ABSO I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR HOME. THIS IS OUR HOME FOREVER. I [01:55:01] WANT MY CHILDREN AND MY GRANDCHILDREN AND MY GREAT GRANDCHILDREN TO HAVE THIS HOME. SO WE HAVE PAINSTAKINGLY TAKEN THIS HOME APART PIECE BY PIECE AND, AND, AND REBUILT IT. I COULD HAVE KNOCKED THIS HOME DOWN AND BUILT IT TWICE IN THE TIME AND IN THE TIMEFRAME AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT'S COST ME TO RESTORE WHAT WAS A, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD HAZARD AND EYESORE, UM, WITH A, YOU KNOW, POOL THAT SOME, FRANKLY, SOMEONE COULD HAVE FALLEN IN AND, AND, AND DROWNED OR GOTTEN SEPSIS FROM. UH, SO, UH, EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE HAS BEEN WITH THE INTENTION OF BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS, BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND, AND FOLLOWING THE RULES. I'M NOT A, I'M NOT A RULE BREAKER. I'VE NEVER EVEN GOTTEN A SPEEDING TICKET. SO BY NATURE I'M A RULE FOLLOWER. AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE COURSE, YES, WE'VE HAD 16 CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, AND THE ONLY ISSUE HAS BEEN, I THINK WHEN THE, WHEN THE, THE CONTRACTOR PUT ON THE WRONG, WRONG ROOF, WE RIPPED IT OFF AND PUT IT ON THE RIGHT ROOF. SO, UM, WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN, IN COMPLIANCE AND, AND PLAN TO HAVE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE THE ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE TIME. SO THE DIFFERENCE, AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WALKWAY IS THAT THE PLANNERS, UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THANK YOU. AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE TO SAY, I, I, IT WILL BE, I LOVE HEARING, IT'S ALMOST THERE WHAT THE NEIGHBOR SAID. YOU KNOW, YOU TOOK A RAT AND VESTED BUILDING THAT YOU COULD HAVE EASILY RIPPED DOWN, BUT YOU MAINTAINED THE INTEGRITY. I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMISSION TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS, PLEASE. CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE CONCRETE PLANTERS? YES. THEY ARE ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN. THEY JUST GO, RIGHT, THEY GO, THEY COME OUT THIS WAY FROM THIS STEPS. AND SO WE KIND OF JUST TRY TO MAKE THEM THIS WAY TO, AGAIN, WE, WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT PRETTY AND MORE PALATABLE AND MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. UM, BECAUSE THERE, THERE WERE ALWAYS THOSE AT TERM. YES. IS THAT, WHAT, IS IT A, IS A THE PLANT THAT COMES THIS WAY INSTEAD OF THIS WAY? YES. OKAY. UM, THAT, SO YES. SO THERE WERE THE, AND THOSE ARE WHAT THE HDRC APPROVED PREVIOUSLY? YEAH, PREVIOUSLY. AND JUST LIKE TRADITIONALLY, THEY WOULD'VE KIND OF FLANKED THE STAIRCASE AND SO THEY ENCLOSED THE STAIRCASE ON EITHER SIDE. UM, YEAH. MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, SO WITH THE DISCUSSION OF THE, THE RED PAVING ON THE DRIVEWAY, ET CETERA, GOING UP TO THE STEPS, IS THERE ANY OTHER, I, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO SAY IN BETWEEN RATHER, OTHER THAN RIPPING IT ALL OUT AND, AND USING A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, IS THERE ANYTHING SHORT OF THAT? LIKE, IS, IS THERE A WAY TO, I, I DON'T KNOW, DISCOLOR IT, MAKE, MAKE IT A DIFFERENT COLOR THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT? IS THERE ANYTHING IN BETWEEN RIPPING IT ALL OUT AND STARTING OVER FROM SCRATCH OR LEAVING THE RED AS IS? IS THERE ANYTHING IN BETWEEN? SURE. SO WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THEY ARE EXPLORING METHODS THAT THEY CAN USE TO REMOVE THE STAIN. AND UH, AS SHE MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, THEY ARE ALSO EXPLORING THE OPTION THAT IF THEY REMOVE THE STAIN, THEY THEN RE-STAIN IT WITH A GRAY FINISH. SO IT WOULD LOOK LIKE CONCRETE. UM, THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S REGARDING THE DRIVEWAY AND THE FRONT WALKWAY. AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT A, UH, FRONT WALL, OR PARDON ME, FRONT PORCH STEPS ARE INSTALLED TO MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH, EXISTING FRONT PORCH STEPS. OKAY, THANK YOU. BUT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE DRIVEWAY AND THE WALKWAY, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, DEPENDING ON WHERE THIS FELL, UM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO MODIFY IT IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. UM, BUT DOESN'T MEAN YOU COULDN'T CONSIDER THE TESTIMONY TODAY AND SEEK A DIFFERENT OUTCOME. RACHEL, CAN YOU, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE HDRC APPROVED IN 2021 AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW? CERTAINLY. AND SO YOU WILL SEE THE PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED SITE PLAN HERE IN THE CASE FILE, UH, THAT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED IN 2021. AND SO REGARDING THE SITE WORK YOU WILL SEE. WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS, UM, BRICK PAVERS AT THE REAR OF THE DRIVEWAY. UH, A NEW FRONT PORTION OF THE CON OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD BE FULLY CONCRETE AND 10 FEET IN WIDTH. UM, THE PROPOSAL WAS FOR EXISTING CONCRETE AS A FRONT WALKWAY. IT WAS BROKEN AT THAT TIME. SO WE DID ANTICIPATE THEY WOULD COME BACK TO REQUEST THE REPLACEMENT IN KIND OF THAT FRONT WALKWAY, UH, TO MATCH THE EXISTING DIMENSIONS. AND THEN A REQUEST TO INSTALL NEW FRONT PORCH STEPS THAT WOULD MATCH, UH, THIS FOOTPRINT THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, WHICH ALSO MATCHES THE RENDERING THAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THIS APPLICATION. AND THEN, UH, THIS LANDSCAPING PLAN CALLED FOR [02:00:01] A MULCH OR CRUSHED STONE AT THE FRONT, BEYOND THE PORCH HERE. SO THE FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THAT WAS GOING TO BE PAVERS AND, AND BECAME STAMPED CONCRETE, UM, I, THAT'S PART OF WHERE THE CONTRACTOR JUST KIND OF KEPT GOING ON WITH THE STAMP. UM, UH, BUT ALL, ALL OF THAT IS VISIBLE FROM, FROM THE STREET. WE HAVE A PROPOSED GATE AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. AND SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, INSTEAD OF PAVERS AND FOR TWO DIFFERENT SURFACE MATERIALS, IT IS ONE SURFACE MATERIAL. AND I HAVE, AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, WITH REMOVING THE, THE, THE COLOR WE, WE'VE PLAYED WITH IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BEEN COMING OFF PRETTY EASILY. UM, IT'S BEEN TRACKED EVERYWHERE INTO MY HOUSE AND INTO MY CAR AND EVERYWHERE. UM, IT WAS NOT, IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN HOW IT WAS DESCRIBED TO US. SO IT WAS A LITTLE MESSIER THAN WE, UH, WE ANTICIPATED. AND SO WE WE'RE NOT REALLY, I LOVE THE WAY IT, IT WE'RE, I THINK THE RED LOOKS GREAT. I THINK IT LOOKS VERY TRADITIONAL AND, AND, AND IS WHAT IT IS. BUT, UH, WE'RE FULLY FINE WITH REMOVING IT. AND AGAIN, NONE OF THOSE ITEMS ARE OF A VIOLATION OF THE GUIDELINES. THERE IS NO PROHIBITION OF, OF ANY OF THEM. IT WOULDN'T THE STAIN OR THE STAMP. UH, JASON, JUST A MOMENT. OH, YEAH. DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I DON'T. THANK YOU. OKAY. SORRY, . SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO, SO WOULD, UH, REMOVE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST POWER WASHING THE RED OFF, NOT PULLING IT UP, BULLDOZING IT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? CORRECT. SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY AND ITS CURRENT CONDITION AND THE WALKWAY AND THE APPLICANT HAS EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO REMOVE THE CONCRETE STAIN OR EXPLORE DOING THAT. OKAY. I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO STAIN IT WITH A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, BUT I WOULD, IF, IF, IF, IF SAYING IT, IF MAKING IT GRAY PREVENTS ME FROM HAVING TO DI DEMOLISH IT, THEN GRAY IT IS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I, I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, WE, WE LIKED THE LOOK OF IT. I THINK IT, I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS NICE, BUT AGAIN, GRAY IS FINE IF IT, IF IT'S A CHOICE BETWEEN DEMOING IT AND, AND, AND HAVING IT GRAY. SO THE PAVERS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED BY HDRC? YES. CORRECT. SO IN JULY, 2021, THE HDRC APPROVED THE SITE PLAN THAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN, WHICH WAS A FRONT PORTION OF A FULLY CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND ACTUAL PAVERS AT THE REAR. SO THE REQUEST AT THAT TIME WAS NOT FOR STAMPED CONCRETE, BUT FOR A BRICK PAVING. OKAY. AS A PERMEABLE SURFACE. OKAY. I THINK I'D BE INCLINED TO REAPP. AND THAT'S ONLY FOR THE DRIVEWAY. ARE WE ADDRESSING ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER ITEMS? IT'S THE DRIVEWAY AND THE WALKWAY UP INTO THE STEPS. OKAY. AND UP TO THE STEPS. THE STEPS ARE THEIR OWN ISSUE. OKAY. AND, AND THE CURVING CAN I, WAS THE CURVING APPROVED? NO, THAT WAS NOT A PREVIOUS REQUEST ITEM. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. SO, UM, SORRY, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE, BUT, SO I WANNA START WITH WHAT HGRC. SO WHAT WOULD IT, LET ME ASK IT ANOTHER WAY. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR THIS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT HGRC ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2021? SURE. SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND PUT THE REQUEST ITEMS BACK ON THE SCREEN FOR CLARITY AND THAT MIGHT HELP US TO WALK THROUGH THOSE. PARDON ME? WELL, I MEAN, THE SHORT ANSWER IS IT WOULD BE THAT SITE PLAN YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THAT WAS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED. SO THAT SHOWS WHAT TYPES OF PAVING WERE WHERE, WHAT DIMENSIONS, LOCATION OF THE PLANTS AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THE STEPS. DOES OUR NEW APPLICATION SUPERSEDE THE APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED? NO, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT. OKAY. UM, I MEAN, IF, IF THE ACTION TODAY WAS DENIAL OF ALL ITEMS, THEN WE WOULD REVERT BACK TO THIS PREVIOUS APPROVAL, ESSENTIALLY. 'CAUSE THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY A, A BODY. AND SO, TO FURTHER CLARIFY AND TO FULLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'LL GO THROUGH THE REQUEST ITEMS NOW. SO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY HDRC, UH, WAS THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY THAT WAS FULLY CONCRETE FOR 28 FEET PLUS, AND THEN PAVERS, BRICK PAVERS AT THE REAR OF THE DRIVEWAY, NOT TO EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH. UH, THE EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY WAS FULLY CONCRETE. IT WASN'T REQUESTED FOR REPLACEMENT AT THAT TIME. THERE WAS APPROVAL FOR THE FRONT STEP CONFIGURATION, AS YOU SEE HERE ON THE SITE PLAN. AND THAT'S ALSO SHOWN IN THE RENDERING. UH, THERE WAS NO REQUEST FOR THE INSTALLATION OF CONCRETE OR BRICK CLA PLANTERS AT THAT TIME. SO THAT WAS NOT REVIEWED. UH, CONCRETE CURBING WAS NOT REQUESTED, AND THAT WAS NOT REVIEWED BY THE HDRC AT THAT TIME. AND THEN THERE WAS, UM, ANNOTATION FOR A SIX FOOT TALL REAR PRIVACY FENCE. IN A LATER APPLICATION, THERE WAS AN ANNOTATION [02:05:01] FOR AN EIGHT FOOT TALL REAR PRIVACY FENCE. SO THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS REVIEW. UM, AS THERE WERE ADDITIONAL MATERIALS THAT WERE REQUESTED FOR THAT REQUEST ITEM. SO THE HDRC WOULD NOT HAVE NEEDED TO REVIEW, UH, REAR PRIVACY FENCING THAT DID NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. I THINK THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS A CORRECTION BECAUSE AT THE TIME THE FENCE WAS ALREADY EIGHT FEET. I THINK THAT WAS JUST A, LIKE A TYPO ON THAT PLAN. I THINK THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS A CORRECTION. 'CAUSE AT THAT TIME, THE FENCE THAT WAS THERE WAS JUST, WAS JUST, YEAH. YES. BUT IN, ARE THERE ANY PICTURES? PROBABLY PROBABLY SEMANTICS, BUT RACHEL, ARE THERE ANY PICTURES OF, UM, WHERE THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE WOULD GO ON THE OTHER TWO SIDES? WE SAW ONE NEIGHBOR. IS THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY IMAGES OF FACING TOWARD THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE REAR? THERE WERE NOT ANY IMAGES SUBMITTED, BUT I CAN PULL UP A GOOGLE, UM, AERIAL. I CAN EMAIL. YEAH, I'M, AND SO THE PROJECT LIMITS OF THE FENCE WOULD BE WHAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED? I GUESS THAT'S THE, THE HOW FAR THE FENCE WOULD GO AROUND? CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD BE REAR PRIVACY FENCING, UM, WITH THESE SHARED PROPERTY LINES. SO WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE NEIGHBORING FENCES? SO THE, UH, SHARED FENCE, UH, DO YOU WANNA DO THE BOUNDARY SURVEY MAYBE? WOULD THAT BE THE SHARED FENCE WITH THREE 20 MADISON? UH, UH, LOT 25 BLOCK THREE. UH, IS THAT KIND OF HODGEPODGE OF A CHAIN LINK OF A BARBED WIRE AND AN EIGHT FOOT, UH, WOOD PRIVACY FENCE. UM, THE, UH, LA OFFICE LOT SIX TO THE REAR OF OUR PROPERTY. UM, HA HAS A PROPERTY, A SIX FOOT PROPERTY FENCE ON THEIR PROPERTY WITH ITS BACK TOWARDS US. UM, AND THEN THERE IS NO FENCE FROM THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE OF MY, SO MOVING OVER TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, 3 26 MADISON. UH, THERE'S NOTHING UNTIL YOU GET TO ABOUT, OH, WELL, THERE'S, YOU CAN SEE THE WOOD FENCE LINE. THERE IS A WOOD FENCE ON THEIR PROPERTY. UH, WE HAD CONSTRUCTION FENCING UNTIL RECENTLY. SO THERE WAS, UH, THE, THE OLD FENCE WAS REMOVED TO PUT THE, UH, SECURE CONSTRUCTION FENCING THAT HAD BEEN THERE, THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR, FOR THREE YEARS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE FENCE WAS, BUT IS NO LONGER BECAUSE IT WAS REPLACED WITH CONSTRUCTION FENCING AT THE TIME. SO WE, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A FENCE, UH, THERE. OUR, OUR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS COMPLETELY OPEN. I, MADAME CHAIR, I HAVE TWO, TWO QUESTIONS. UM, THIS ONE IS FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, THE 2021 APPROVAL. WERE YOU THE OWNERS AT THE TIME OR THE SEE, THE PREVIOUS THING THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT? YEAH. WERE YOU THE OWNERS AT THE TIME? YES. YEAH. SO THIS WAS OUR, ALTHOUGH I HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS, WAS THIS OUR FIRST HISTORIC REMODEL AND FIRST IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. UM, AND SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, I WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING CONCRETE. HAD YOU SEEN IT? I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYBODY THAT WOULD HAVE ANY SORT OF COMMON SENSE THAT WOULD THINK THAT THAT EXISTING CONCRETE WOULD BE ABLE TO REMAIN IT. YOU KNOW, IT JUST, I PROBABLY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT I NEEDED TO CLARIFY THAT THAT CONCRETE THAT WAS BROKEN AND, AND UHHUH WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED. UM, OKAY. AND SO I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT PLAN THAT HAD PAVERS THERE ALSO. BUT I, I COULD VERY WELL BE WRONG. AND, AND AGAIN, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO MAKE ANY SORT OF MODIFICATIONS THAT I'M FINANCIALLY ABLE TO DO. YEAH. I HAVE SECOND TO COMPLY. NEXT QUESTION. UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, THE SECOND QUESTION DEALS WITH THE PLANTERS. UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE DESIGN AND, AND I GUESS THE, I GUESS I CAN ANSWER MY OWN QUESTION, BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE DESIGN AND WOULD YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT DID NOT HAVE THOSE PLANTERS? RIGHT. DO, DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO ALL OF THIS, UH, WHY, UH, UM, I'M SORRY. MR. FLORES REFERRED TO A LOT GOING ON, AND THIS ALL KIND OF STEMMED FROM ONE, ONE DAY, ONE, ONE DECISION THAT THAT AFFECTED A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THE DRIVEWAY, THE PLANTERS, THE SKIRTING THAT, UH, IT WAS ALL ONE KIND OF ONE THING THAT THAT TRICKLES DOWN INTO, INTO OTHER AREAS. UM, UH, DESIGN WISE, I, I, I GUESS IF THE PLANNERS HAVE TO BE REMOVED, THEN I GUESS THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF DIFFERENT GRADING TO REACH THE HEIGHT OF THE STEPS. UH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A, A CONCRETE CONTRACTOR TO DEMO THOSE. UM, AND THEN, UM, UH, I, I, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PLANTERS AND THE STEPS ARE TREATED AS SEPARATE ITEMS OR ONE ITEM. UH, BUT IF THE PLANTERS AND THE STEPS ARE DEMOED, THE WALKWAY WILL MOST CERTAINLY HAVE TO BE DEMOED ALSO. IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE ALL, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL CONNECTED, UM, BY, BY DESIGN. SO I, I THINK IF I HAVE TO DO PART, I MAY HAVE TO DO ALL MAY. MAYBE THE PLANTERS COULD BE CUT OFF. UM, YEAH, I GUESS MAYBE THE PLANTERS COULD BE CUT OFF OR THINGS COULD BE PLANTED RIGHT THERE. UM, THANK YOU. SURE, SURE. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, [02:10:01] UH, FOR CLARIFICATION? UH, SOUNDS LIKE THE CURB MAY WELL HAVE BEEN THERE, UH, AT THE TIME OF THE 2021 DECISION, BUT FROM WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE DOCUMENTATION, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANY REFERENCE TO IT IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS. AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, WHAT WAS THE, UM, UNDERSTANDING IN 2021 IN TERMS OF THE SKIRTING MATERIAL, THE SKIRTING MATERIAL ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE PORCH? UH, THERE WAS NONE BECAUSE WE HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET INTO THE, THE FIRST SET OF PLANS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BETWEEN THE ARCHITECT AND ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEER WERE COM COMPLETE GUESSES AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE WERE GONNA FIND ONCE WE GOT IN THERE. THE STORM IN FEBRUARY 21, UM, WE HAD, THERE WAS NO WATER TO THE PRO. THE PROPERTY WATER WAS TURNED OFF AS, AND THE, ALL OF THE, UH, PRO PLUMBING HAD BEEN DRAINED. BUT THE, WHAT WE THINK HAPPENED IS THE, UH, WHEN THE SNOW MELTED AND EVERYTHING HAPPENED, OUR WATER METERS ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS NEXT TO EACH OTHER FOR 3 26 MADISON. AND I GOT A CALL FROM THAT, THAT NEIGHBOR SAYING, UM, THERE'S SIX INCHES OF WATER UNDER YOUR HOUSE. SOMEONE HAD TURNED, I THINK A PLUMBER HAD INADVERTENTLY TURNED ON OUR WATER. UM, SO, UM, OUR HOUSE, UM, THE ROOF CAVED IN THE WALLS, CAVED IN IT, IT WAS A COM. WE HAD SIGNIFICANT WATER DAMAGE. SO ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD PLANNED TO SALVAGE HAD NOT BEEN SALVAGED. HOWEVER, THE ARCHITECT AND ENGINEER PLANS WERE ALL BASED ON, UM, THE SHELL, THE SIX APARTMENTS THAT WERE THERE. UM, AND AS WE STARTED TO REBUILD THE HOUSE, YOU JUST KEEP, YOU DISCOVER NEW THINGS AND NEW THINGS. SO HONESTLY, ANYTHING THAT CAME AS AN IDEA IN 2021 HAS PROBABLY BEEN MODIFIED SO MUCH BY THIS TIME. MOSTLY INTERIOR, OF COURSE, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY COULD RAISE THE HOUSE. THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE GONNA FIND UNDERNEATH THERE. UM, WE HAD, SKIRTING WAS THE LAST OF, YOU KNOW, SKIRTING WAS SO FAR DOWN THE LIST. UM, I, THERE HAS, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE A PLAN IN PLACE YET, UH, UNTIL, UM, WAS IT SCREWS WITH A, A ONE ENGINEERING. HE ORIGINALLY IN THE BEGINNING SAID HE WANTED CONCRETE SKIRTING AROUND THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A CURB ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DRIVEWAY THERE. SO THERE WAS ALREADY A CONCRETE CURB THERE. AND THAT WENT ALL THE WAY BACK, UM, WITH NO SPACE BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE, UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT COULD BE MY IGNORANCE, HAVING, UM, NOT KNOWN THAT A CURB NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IF THE ENGINEER TELLS ME TO DO SOMETHING OUT OF FUNCTION, I, I, WHEN THERE'S A DESIGN GUIDELINE AND A FUNCTION ISSUE IN MY BRAIN, A FUNCTION ISSUE HAS TO SUPERSEDE THAT. UM, THAT MAY NOT, I, THAT HAS TURNED OUT NOT TO BE THE CASE. UH, AND I'VE LEARNED A LOT IN THREE YEARS. YEAH. I, I, I, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS I WOULD'VE DONE, UH, QUITE, QUITE DIFFERENTLY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CLARIFICATION? I'M MEAN, LOOK AT IT. IT'S, YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. RACHEL. I'M GLAD YOU HAVE THAT PICTURE UP RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THIS ISN'T WITHIN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE, I GUESS IT'S A TRANSOM AT THE VERY TOP OF THE HOUSE. IT'S A DORMER. UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY FOUND BY THE ARCHITECT AND ENGINEER AND THE HDRC DID NOT HAVE BEEN ORIGINAL. UM, AND THEN IT'S ACTUALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE PICTURE THAT YOU SENT ME OF 1972. I'M LIKE, OH, LOOK, THE DORMER'S DIFFERENT. UM, IT WAS CAVING IN. AND SO THEY ALLOWED US TO, THEY ALLOWED US TO, TO, TO, TO REMOVE IT. OKAY. JUST ONE. YEAH. AND THEN, SO THAT REQUESTED COME TO HDRC AND IT WAS APPROVED FOR REMOVAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I SHARED THE CONCERN ABOUT THE CURBING MM-HMM. , UM, I KNOW IT MENTIONS IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OHP, UH, APPROVAL OF THE PERIMETER, PERIMETER CURBING BASED ON FINDING G, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO BREATHE TO THERE. SO THERE ARE THE, SO THERE ARE OPENINGS SURROUNDING THE, THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE, IF YOU, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT UNDER THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE. THAT'S, BUT IS THAT ENOUGH? UH, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A AND, AND IT'S THE ONLY PLACE WHERE IT'S SOLID ALL THE WAY GONE ACROSS IS THE, IS THE, IS THAT THE VERY BACK, UM, THERE, THE, THE PORCH IS OPEN HERE UNDER THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE IS OPEN HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS AN OPENING AT THE END, BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CUT. IF, I MEAN, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO GET SOMEBODY TO COME OUT AND, AND CUT VENTILATION IN THE CONCRETE CURBING, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. AGAIN, I JUST, THAT CONCERN ABOUT, WELL, 'CAUSE I, YEAH, NO, WELL, IT CONCERNS ME TOO. IT'S MY HOME. SO IF THAT, IF THAT'S A SOLUTION THAT WE, IF THE CURBING THAT IS EXISTING THERE IS APPROVED BUT NEEDS MORE VENTING VENTILATION, THEN I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A VERY REASONABLE, SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT I SAID EARLIER, I'M CONCERNED IF WE CUT THE CURBING BECAUSE IT'S GIVING WATER AWAY TO GET IN AND KNOCK IT OUT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS ADD, UM, SKIRTING VENTS, LIKE TRADITIONAL, LIKE A LITTLE RECTANGULAR VENT ON THE ACTUAL WOOD SKIRTING THAT WOULD ALLOW ABOVE THE ABOVE THE CURB. ABOVE THE CURB, YEAH. OH, OKAY. THAT'D PROBABLY BE EASIER THAN CUTTING CONCRETE, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER, SO, YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S ONLY A [02:15:01] FEW. THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE RELATIVELY SHALLOW BECAUSE THERE'S NOT, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH THERE. I WOULD SAY MAYBE ABOVE THAT, ABOVE THAT CURB IS A, A COUPLE OF INCHES. SO MAYBE THEY'RE, MAYBE THEY'RE LINEAR, UM, SO THAT IT GETS MORE VENTING. UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH FOUNDATION THERE. THAT'S, THAT'S MY FLOOR IS RIGHT THERE. SO, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM. I'M DOING THAT. I CAN JASON, ANOTHER CLARIFICATION. CAN YOU GO AHEAD, JUST SINCE COREY MENTIONED IT. UM, SO YOU'D BE OKAY WITH I WOULD HOPE SO. OKAY. WITH PUTTING VENTING IN THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OKAY. IF THE CURB STAYS, THEN YOU'D AT LEAST PUT THE VENTING JUST SO YOU CAN HELP PRESERVE ABSOLUTELY. YOUR BEAUTIFUL, NO PROBLEM AT ALL. I'VE GOT A COUPLE PIECES OF SIDING THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. I'LL JUST PUT VENTING THERE INSTEAD . SO, NO. UH, BUT YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT'S, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL. IS THERE A SPECIFIC, UM, PARAMETER OF, OF, OF WHERE AND HOW LONG AND, AND WHAT, AND WHAT INCREMENTS VENTING NEEDS TO BE, OR THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN COORDINATE ADMINISTRATIVELY? YES. OKAY. BE FAIR. NO PROBLEM AT ALL. AND BE, I, I WOULD REACH OUT TO YOUR KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. THERE'S A LOT OF EXPERTISE ON THAT PANEL. WOULD THAT BE ANYTHING I NEED TO INCLUDE IN A MOTION OR ANY OF US NEED TO INCLUDE IN A MOTION POTENTIALLY AS A STIPULATION, LIKE A CONDITION TO THE APPROVAL OF THE CURBING, IF THAT'S WHERE THAT ONE GOES. AND THEN WHAT, WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMEND RECOMMENDING IS TO RETURN THE STAIRS TO WHAT HDRC APPROVED IN 21. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND I'LL PUT THE RENDERING ON THE SCREEN NOW. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENCE OF THREE STEPS VERSUS TWO STEPS WITH THE, WITH THE STEP, THE TOP STEP MATCHING THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING PORCH. RIGHT. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT TOP STEP MATCHING THE EXISTING STEP AND THREE STEPS. OKAY. WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR MY MOTHER-IN-LAW TO COME INTO MY HOUSE. UM, WE'VE MADE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR, FOR HER EVERYWHERE ELSE INSIDE THE HOUSE. SO TO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD PRESENT A, UH, A CHALLENGE ORIGINALLY. THAT WAS FOR MY MOTHER TOO, BUT, UH, BUT, BUT SHE'S NO LONGER WITH ME, WITH US. SO, UH, UM, THAT WAS NOT A, I GUESS, A CONCERN AT THE TIME OR IS NO LONGER A CONCERN NOW. OKAY. ARE THOSE NOT CONCRETE, THE CONCRETE PLINTH SO THEY CAN GO, SO THIS PART CAN STAY AND THIS PART CAN'T, I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT THAT THAT'S THE RENDERING THAT WAS APPROVED. SO THE PART THAT GOES THIS WAY CAN STAY, BUT, OR, OR, OR, OR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THE PART THAT GOES THIS WAY WOULD BE, THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE WALKWAY. CORRECT. AND STAFF CAN CLARIFY THAT THAT IS A TRADITIONAL CONFIGURATION FOR FRONT PORCH STEPS, UM, FOR PROPERTIES OF THIS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. OKAY. AND THE ONES THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR JUST, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE BY, 'CAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE GUIDELINES. NONE OF, IF ANY OF THIS HAD BEEN WITH OUT OUTSIDE OF THE GUIDELINES OR, OR PROHIBITED IN THE GUIDELINES, I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT. BUT WHEN YOU REFER TO THE GUIDELINES AND THERE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT PROHIBITS THAT, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M, I'M JUST, SO IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR YEAH, I, FOR ONE, I CAN EMPATHIZE BECAUSE I'M, LIKE I SAID, I'M CURRENTLY IN THAT SITUATION IN SOME AREAS, HOWEVER, YOU DID INHERIT A LOT OF THE THINGS THE CONTRACTOR DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH OR DISCUSS WITH YOU NOR FOLLOWED BACK THROUGH WITH THE CITY. SO MOVING FORWARD, I THINK WE'RE READY. DO WE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OTHER THAN THAT I CAN WE LOOK AT THE ITEMS THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? JUST TO, FOR CLARIFICATION, I'LL PUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE SCREEN IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE REQUEST ITEMS. UH, JUST LET ME KNOW. AND DR. ARD, I THINK YOU ASKED FOR THE DESIGN. DO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKET THAT, DID THIS MAKE IT TO THE, THE, I ASKED FOR WHAT, I'M SORRY. OR A FEW MINUTES. I'M SORRY. I THINK WE GOT, DUNNO IF I, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE DESIGN OF WHAT IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE, OR DO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKET? THAT I, THERE'S ONE WITH, WITH IT AS RED AND THEN AS CHANGE TO GRAY, UM, OF WHAT YEAH, WHAT WE COULD FINISH IT OFF TO LOOK LIKE. SO WHERE I, I, I THINK MY TWO LARGEST CONCERNS ARE THE RED. AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO REMEDY THAT, AND I THINK ONE OF YOUR RENDERINGS DOES SHOW GRAY, WHICH WOULD LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE TRADITIONAL, UM, OR IN MORE CONSISTENT. AND THEN MY SECOND CONCERN IS THE PLANTERS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M SITTING. AND THOSE ARE [02:20:01] MY TWO CONCERNS. SO THE HIGHEST AROUND HER FROM HER NEIGHBORS ARE EIGHT FEET ON THE FENCE, IS IT? CORRECT, YES. OKAY. AND SO, WELL, I, I AM, I WANTED TO ASK MY COLLEAGUE ABOUT, UM, THOUGHTS ON THE FENCING. UM, THAT ONE'S A TOUGH ONE FOR ME BECAUSE I, I, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES. LIKE WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR DECISION BASED ON OUR UNDERSTANDINGS OF THE GUIDELINES. AND SO THE GUIDELINES SAY SIX FEET, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT FOR EIGHT, UM, HAVING ONE NEIGHBOR ALREADY HAVING EIGHT, HAVING A POOL. I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE I NET OUT ON THAT ONE. THE OTHER TWO ARE MORE OF A CONCERN TO ME RIGHT NOW. MAY I, UM, THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE UDC AND EVERYTHING THAT I'VE REQUESTED ADHERES TO THE UUDC IN SEVERAL SECTIONS ON FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE FENCE, NOT JUST COSMETICALLY AND BECAUSE IT'S EXISTING, BUT THEY SAID, HERE ARE THE GUIDELINES FOR THE FENCE, AND THEY HAVE TO HEAR, ADHERE TO THE UDC. SO EVERYTHING IN MY APPLICATION IS COPIED DIRECTLY FROM THE UDC IN THE THREE SECTIONS WHERE, WHERE IT, WHERE IT, WHERE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS PERMISSIBLE. SURE. IF I MAY, RACHEL, I DID. YES. CAN YOU JUST A MOMENT. CAN YOU PROVIDE, CAN CLARIFY FOR THE BOARD CLARITY. SO PER THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, REAR PRIVACY FENCES SHOULD NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. SHOULD THE EIGHT SHOULD, SHOULD THE CTA APPROVE AN EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE? UM, THERE IS THE STIPULATION THAT ANY FENCING AND GATES MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE UDC. AND SO WE HAVE RECEIVED CONFIRMATION FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT THAT SHOULD THE C TTAB APPROVE THE EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE, IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE FROM DSD. THAT WAS MY CONCERN ABOUT IT. NEEDING A VARIANCE TO GO. YEAH, NO, I SPOKE WITH, UH, UH, LESLIE ZALLA, SHE'S THE RESIDENTIAL CONSULTANT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TO SERVICE DEPARTMENT, AND SHE CONFIRMED ALL THAT BEFORE I, BEFORE I SUBMITTED IT. WELL, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT I'M ON THE FENCE ON THE, ON THE SIX OR EIGHT. ON THE WHAT? I'M SORRY. ON THE SIX OR EIGHT FEET. I'M WAITING TO, I HAVE APARTMENTS THAT LOOK DOWN. I MEAN, AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE WON'T DO IT ANYWAY, SO I CAN GO AHEAD, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, UH, UM, HEARING FROM THIS GROUP, BASED ON YOUR QUESTION, I, I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. I, I CONCUR WITH THAT. THANK YOU. I WOULD NOT APPROVE THE 10 FOOT, I WOULD APPROVE THE EIGHT FOOT. RIGHT. YEAH. I'VE NEVER ASKED FOR A 10 FOOT. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN EIGHT FOOT WASN'T 10. YEAH, IT'S OKAY. YEAH. IT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN EIGHT FOOT. OKAY, GOOD. SO I, I THINK I'M READY TO CRAFT A MOTION, UM, WITH SOME CAREFUL GUIDANCE. YES. UM, LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND IT. I DON'T HAVE A BLUE CARD. SO MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. ITEM FOUR. WAIT, WHERE'S THE CURB? OH, ITEM FIVE WITH THE . FOUR IS THE PLANTERS. THE PLANTERS ARE IN ITEM THREE, I THINK. OH, ITEM, YEAH. FOUR, SORRY. YEAH. UM, ALSO ITEM FOUR AND THEN ITEM FIVE WITH THE STIPULATION. THAT ITEM FIVE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT VENTING IS INCLUDED. I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S CORRECT. IS THAT THAT WORKS OKAY WITH VENTING INCLUDED. AND I GUESS, UH, GUIDANCE WITH GUIDANCE PROVIDED BY OHP AND THEN APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX WITH THE, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AS SUBMITTED. AS SUBMITTED. SO WITH ITEMS APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX, SO WOULD ITEM THREE BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED, OR THAT WOULD THAT REQUIRE THE DEMOLITION OF THE STEPS? AND, AND WALKWAY THREE WAS WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. AND SO THAT WOULD GO, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REVERTED BACK TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN. JUST THE STEPS IN PLANT REPORT APPROVED BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. YEAH. THE WORD CAME OUTTA MOUTH DRC APPROVED. CORRECT. YES. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER. THAT'S ACCESS TO MY HOME FOR MY MOTHER-IN-LAW. THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT, OR I MEAN, IT'S MS. WOOLWORTH, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE SITTING HERE [02:25:01] ARGUING ABOUT, I GET WHAT YOU'RE TWO FEET FENCE SAYING, MA'AM, BUT WE'VE ALREADY AMENDED BECAUSE YOUR CONTRACTOR DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE STAMPING. AND THEN I'LL PUT THE PAVERS. THAT WAS ALREADY NO, NO, THAT WAS, I'LL TAKE, I'LL TAKE FULL RES. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'LL TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. RIGHT. FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. BECAUSE NONE OF THEM ARE A VIOLATION OF THE, THE GUIDELINES. WHAT I VIOLATED IS NOT SUBMITTING A NEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE GUIDELINE HERE THAT'S BEEN VIOLATED. BUT AGAIN, YOU JUST SAID, SO THE FORGIVENESS, WE'RE NOT SUBMITTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. YES. THAT'S WHY I'M IN TROUBLE. 'CAUSE I DIDN'T CHANGE MY CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. YES, MA'AM. NOT BECAUSE IT'S A VIOLATION. I VIOLATED MA'AM, NOT, NOT MAKING AN APPLICATION. PLEASE STOP INTERRUPTING ME. YES, MA'AM. EVERY TIME YOU'VE SPOKEN, I'VE ALLOWED YOU. SURE. AND WE'VE MADE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS AND I GET IT. I LOVED MY MOTHER-IN-LAW TOO. BUT WHERE WE FAILED IS TO COLLABORATE AND YOU JUST OWNED THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, CORRECT? YES. WITH COMPLIANCE WITH OHP, WHICH WE'RE GOING AGAINST SOME OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND IN YOUR FAVOR AS WELL, WHICH IS THE CURVE ON SEVERAL ITEMS. AND THAT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE FOR YOU. WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE COMPLY WITH THE ONES THAT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO APPROVE. I GET THAT. BUT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE ASKED BECAUSE FAILURE TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. CORRECT. THAT I, I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. I GET THAT. HOWEVER, I STILL HAVEN'T VIOLATED ANY GUIDELINES. THERE'S NOTHING, MA'AM. OKAY. I'VE ASKED YOU TWICE. I'VE BEEN VERY RESPECTFUL OF YOU FOLLOWING THROUGH, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I LOVE YOUR HOME, YOU'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO, AND I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT YOU CHOSE TO BE IN A HISTORICAL AREA AND YOU'VE ALREADY SAID YOU TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND YOU'VE BROUGHT IT HERE AND SEVERAL THINGS HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR YOU. YES. SO THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS. MADAM CHAIR, CAN I SECOND THE MOTION? CONTINUE? I'D LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION IF I MAY, UH, CAN STAFF COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE CLARIFICATION ON YOUR, UH, MOTION FOR ITEM FOUR, THE PLANTER INSTALLATION, UM, BEFORE HE DOES IT? THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MY QUESTION BECAUSE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR WAS TO APPROVE. AND I WAS GOING TO ASK, ARE YOU APPROVING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM FOUR OR ARE YOU APPROVING THE PLANTERS IN YOUR MOTION? NO, I'M NOT APPROVING THE PLANTERS. THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED. THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION. I NEED TO COUN DO I NEED TO REWORD THAT? WE JUST CLARIFY THAT CLARIFICATION. YOU SAID APPROVE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE APPROVING ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND WRITTEN. OKAY. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE SHE'S, SHE IS ABLE TO HAVE THE, THE LONGER ONE NOT COMPLETELY REMOVED THE PINS. YES. BESIDES THAT WERE APPROVED BY HDRC. RIGHT. SHE'S ABLE TO HAVE THOSE, BUT NOT THE FULL, NOT THE PLANTERS. OKAY. THAT'S WOULD I WOULD, I WOULD, GO AHEAD, MADAM CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO, UH, NUMBER ONE. UM, MY AMENDMENT WOULD BE THAT, UM, SOMETHING IS DONE TO RESTORE IT, NOT RESTORE, EXCUSE ME, TO MAKE IT AS CLOSE TO MATCHING THE COLOR OF CONCRETE. WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING ON REMOVING THE RED AND MAKING IT GRAY ESSENTIALLY. UM, I DUNNO HOW TO WORD THAT, BUT THAT'S MY AMENDMENT IS TO MAKE THE DRIVEWAY, UH, WHATEVER GRAY WOULD LOOK LIKE , I'D BE WILLING TO AMEND MY MOTION TO, TO GO WITH THAT. I THINK WE'RE CLEAR. ANY OTHER, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THE, THE STEPS AND PLANTERS WILL REQUIRE DEMOLITION. THAT, THAT, THAT IS WHAT IS BEING YES. DETERMINED TO THE, WHICH, WHICH IN TURN WILL REQUIRE DEMOLITION OF THE WALKWAY THAT YOU, THAT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED. IF THAT'S UP TO YOUR CONTRACTOR TO RECOMMEND, WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO DO THAT? IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CUT WHERE IT MEETS THE STEPS. IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THE EXACT SAME NUMBER OF STEPS. WE'RE JUST ASKING IF THE STEPS BE IN THAT HISTORIC KIND OF LOCATION AS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED. I NEED, I JUST NEED SOME CLARITY ON THAT. AND WE, THEY'RE, WE WILL WORK WITH, THEY'RE IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION, LOCATION. THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE SAME DIMENSIONS AND LOCATION. THERE ARE TWO STEPS INSTEAD [02:30:01] OF FOUR. SO IT WOULD, THEY WILL WALK YOU THROUGH, IT WOULD CUT WHERE IT BEGINS TO FLARE. UM, AND THEN THE STEPS WOULD BE NORMAL KIND OF RISE AND RUN. SO WE CAN WORK WITH YOU. IT'S, IT'S . WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE, UM, WE KNOW THE ACCESS, EXCUSE ME, ACCESSIBILITY CONCERN. UM, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT, BUT WE DO APPROVE RAMPS, UM, AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, UM, TO BE ADDED. SOMETIMES THEY'RE METAL, SOMETIMES THERE ARE DIFFERENT MATERIAL, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR RAMPING THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE HER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ACCOMMODATIONS FOR HER MOTHER-IN-LAW. CORRECT. OKAY. C CAN, HI, CAN, I'VE GOT A QUESTION IF I MAY. GO AHEAD, SIR. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ABOUT, IS THAT THAT RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE ADDITION OF AN EXTERNAL STRUCTURE OR RAMP TO THE EXISTING HOME? IF I MAY. THERE'S, THERE ARE TEMPORARY OPTIONS. I, I'VE EXPERIENCED THAT IN MY LIFETIME. THAT CAN BE PLACED WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY IS NEEDING ACCESS TO THE HOME SURE. AND THEN REMOVED, UM, WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE. YEAH, I WOULD SECOND THAT OR NOT SECOND THAT. EXCUSE ME. I WOULD ECHO THAT. I DON'T THINK THE, I DON'T THINK THE COMMISSION RIGHT NOW IS RECOMMENDING ANY, ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF A RAMP OR NOT, BUT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. I WOULD LIKE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. FLORES. AYE REGARD? AYE. SETZER. AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. SMITH. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M BULLYING ON HERE, BUT I VOTE NAY ON THE RAMP ISSUE. OKAY, SIR. THANK YOU VASQUEZ. AYE THAT IT MATTERS, SE VITA. AYE. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. SO RACHEL WILL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU ON NEXT STEPS. NEXT ITEM PLEASE. NEXT STEPS WILL BE, THERE WILL BE NO STEPS. SO I'M HAVING COMPUTER ISSUES. GIMME ONE SECOND. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. ITEM SIX. OH, MY COMPUTER JUST DIED. I'M SO SORRY. ITEM SIX ON THE AGENDA. HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0 9 8 53 16 SAN PEDRO AVENUE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A 10 BY THREE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET SIGN TWO, INSTALL AN EIGHT BY FOUR DOUBLE-SIDED ALUMINUM SIGN ON THE EXISTING POLE SIGN. AND THREE, UM, I JUST NEED TO, IN THE CHAT, THREE, INSTALL AN APPROXIMATELY FOUR BY TWO VINYL WINDOW SIGN. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING BE EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED AS NOTED IN FINDING C. RACHEL, CAN YOU PULL UP THE TEAM'S CHAT FOR VIRTUAL ? THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, SO JUST A QUICK CASE NOTE. UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, WHO'S HERE WITH US TODAY, UM, DIDN'T INSTALL THE EXISTING SIGNAGE. THEY WERE HIRED BY THE PROPERTY OR THE BUSINESS OWNER TO BRING THE SIGNAGE INTO COMPLIANCE. UM, THE BUSINESS HAS INSTALLED APPROXIMATELY 102 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE, INCLUDING A 10 BY THREE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN, AN EIGHT BY FOUR DOUBLE-SIDED ALUMINUM SIGN, AND A FOUR BY TWO VINYL WINDOW SIGN. UM, THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE SAY THAT THE TOTAL SIGNAGE SHOULDN'T EXCEED 50 SQUARE FEET. HOWEVER, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TODAY. UM, STAFF FINDS THE SIGNAGE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE, UH, THE NUMBER AND THE SIZE OF THEM, UM, GIVEN THE SITE CONTEXT, UM, AND PROVIDED THAT THEY EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATE THE SIGNS RATHER THAN USING THE INTERNAL ILLUMINATION ON THE CABINET SIGN. UM, THE APPLICANT, KIM DIXON, IS HERE VIA WEBEX. UH, THERE ARE NO LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE. KIM? HELLO. THIS IS ACTUALLY TONY. OH, I'M SORRY. TONY. I'M NO, THAT, THAT'S FINE. UM, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY ON HER PHONE. WE HAD ISSUES, UH, GETTING INTO, UH, GETTING ON WEBEX ON, ON MY COMPUTER. SO, UH, IN ORDER NOT TO MISS THE, THE MEETING, I, I'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE ON HER PHONE ACTUALLY. I APPRECIATE THAT. CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE REQUEST? SURE. SO MY NAME'S TONY SANCHEZ. I'M A REPRESENTATIVE FOR, UH, ECONOMY SCIENCE. UM, AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, UH, IS GET THIS, UH, STEIN APPROVED. THE, THE ILLUMINATED SIGN. IT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED BY THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER. UM, AND, UH, THAT, THAT'S WHY WE WENT THROUGH, THEY WENT THROUGH WITH THE, WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE CABINET SIGN UP ON TOP, THE INTERNAL LIMITED SIGN. AND WE JUST GOT NOTICE, OR I GUESS THE [02:35:01] OWNER JUST GOT NOTICE THAT, UM, IT WAS, UH, NOT, UM, APPROPRIATE OR, OR ALLOWED. AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. HELLO. THAT'S, WE'RE WAITING FOR OUR COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS NOW. THANK YOU FOR YES, WE'RE GETTING READY TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING ON THE PHONE AND BEING PATIENT. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, BEING THAT THE SIGN IS GENERALLY, UM, BLACK AROUND THE OUTSIDE, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT IS INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, THE AMOUNT OF ILLUMINATION THAT WILL ACTUALLY COME OUT OF THE SIGN ISN'T VERY MUCH BECAUSE THE SIGN IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAINLY THE, THE BASE COLOR OF THE SIGN IS, IS BLACK IN COLOR, WHICH DOESN'T, DOESN'T ALLOW A LOT OF LIGHT. CAN WE HAVE CLARIFICATION? IS IS IT ABOUT THE ILLUMINATION THAT WE'RE CONCERNED OR, OR THE SIZE OF THE SIGNAGE? THE COMBINATION. SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL, UM, OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, COLOR OF THE SIGNS. UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS PARTICULAR SIGN ON THE SCREEN BE EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, WHICH JUST MEANS THAT, UH, THERE'S SOME KIND OF PROJECTED LIGHT ONTO IT, RATHER IT BEING THE LIGHT THAT'S INSIDE THE CABINET SIGN. AND JUST TO FURTHER CLARIFY, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY POINT THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, DIDN'T AGREE TO CONFORM WITH, WITH THE LIGHTING FROM THE EXTERIOR VERSUS INSIDE OF THE CORRECT. JUST FOR THIS, THIS CABINET SIDE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE SIZE OF THE SIGNAGE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. SO THE SIZE OF THE SIGNAGE ALTOGETHER, INCLUDING THE VINYL ON THE WINDOWS, THE ONE THAT'S HANGING NEAR THE STREET, AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW ABOVE THE DOORWAY. CORRECT. HOW MUCH IS THAT OVER BY? UH, SO GUIDELINES, UH, RECOMMEND 50 SQUARE FEET. UM, THIS IS 103 SQUARE FEET TOTAL. AND I'LL BRING UP A PHOTO OF, OF THE SITE. IT'S A COMMERCIAL STORE. AND THEN ARE THERE OTHERS NEARBY THAT ARE, LIKE, IS THERE A BUSINESS NEXT TO IT THAT IS WITHIN THE, YEAH, I'LL ALWAYS CLARIFY LIKE, THE REASON IT SEEMS LIKE SO MUCH MORE IS BECAUSE OF THE SIGN THAT'S ON THE, THE POLE, LIKE THE PYLON IN FRONT. AND SO THAT IS PRETTY TYPICAL OF LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER. UM, MOST HISTORIC BUILDINGS OR HISTORIC BUSINESSES ARE NOT IN SHOPPING CENTERS. SO , IT'S JUST, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UM, THE GUIDELINES ARE REALLY ANTICIPATING 50 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE PER BUSINESS ON THE BUILDING ITSELF. AND SO IT'S ALMOST JUST LIKE EXTRA, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY HURTING ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S WHY THERE'S EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE THERE. AND, AND YOU'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? YES. MM-HMM. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN THE LIGHTING, RIGHT, THE CONFLICT WITH THE ONTO IT VERSUS FROM THE INSIDE. RIGHT. THE CONFLICT WITH THE GUIDELINES IS THE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET. SO THAT'S WHEN IT'S KIND OF BUILT OUT. LIKE YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THERE'S LIGHTS BEHIND THE FACE OF THE PLASTIC, AND SO AT NIGHT IT GLOWS. IT'S THAT KIND OF GLOWING AT NIGHT IS, WHICH IS WHAT'S NOT RECOMMENDED. I CAN TELL YOU TOO, THIS IS MY DISTRICT. I KNOW THIS STRETCH OF SAN PEDRO. WELL, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AS, I MEAN, CORY'S POINT IS WELL TAKEN. IT'S A HODGEPODGE OF SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING, UH, ALL THROUGHOUT THIS CORRIDOR HERE. SO I'M NOT AS NECESSARILY CONCERNED WITH TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE GIVEN THE, UM, THE MULTI-TENANT SIGN OUT FRONT. UM, I WAS GONNA ASK MR. ORTIZ, WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN CREATING EXTERIOR ILLUMINATION TO BE IN COMPLIANCE HERE FOR THAT SIGN THAT'S ON THE BUILDING? UM, THIS, THIS IS TONY SANCHEZ. UM, SORRY SIR. BUT SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, UM, IS, UH, BUILD A, UH, TELESCOPING, UM, I GUESS ROD OR, UH, HOW DO I PUT THAT? UH, A STRUCTURE UP ON TOP OF THE BUILDING OR BELOW THE BUILDING, ATTACHING IT TO IT, DEPENDING ON HOW WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DECIDE TO GO UP ON TOP OR, OR BELOW, UM, FOR THE REFERENCE OF BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY SEE THE SIGN, IT'D BE BEST TO GO ON TOP. UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO IS, UH, AFFIX A, UM, A METAL, UH, I GUESS MAYBE TWO AND, UM, ATTACH LIGHTING ONTO THAT AND, AND BROADCAST IT ONTO THE SIGN. BUT [02:40:01] YOU'D KEEP THE SAME, CAN THE SAME, THE SAME, UH, STRUCTURE? YES. THE SAME SIGN? YEAH. YES, SIR. UH, AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, ADJOINING BUSINESS, THE BOTANICA EL PHOENIX, UH, APOTHECARY HAS A, AN UNLIGHTED SIGN ABOVE THE DOOR THERE, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT A LIGHT BOX, IS IT? IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S A FLAT SIGN ON, ON THAT BUILDING FACADE THAT LOOKS LIKE, YEAH, THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST A, UH, UM, I GUESS A, A BI CAST BOARD WITH, WITH, UH, VINYL ON TOP OF IT. UM, BUT I, I DO WANNA POINT OUT ALSO, UH, AND I'M SURE YOU HEARD, BUT, UH, IT, IT WAS APPROVED INITIALLY BY THE LANDOWNER AND I'M, I'M THE, I GUESS THE OWNER OF THE COMPLEX. UM, BUT YEAH. AND, UH, I GUESS THIS IS FOR STAFF. SHOULD THE, UH, OPERATORS OF THE BOTANICA PHOENIX, UH, COME TO REQUEST LIGHTING FOR THEIR SIGN, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE EXTERNAL LIGHTING? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, TO FOLLOW GUIDELINES. SO MR. SANCHEZ SANCHEZ, UH, HAVE YOU, I'M NOT AN ELECTRICIAN, BUT, UH, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO RUN POWER FROM WHAT IS NOW INSIDE THE, THE SIGN, UH, DOWN ON TOP OF THE AWNING AND THEN THAT WAY YOU COULD MAKE THE LIGHTING FACE UP INSTEAD OF FROM WITHIN? UM, MAKE THE, UH, YEAH, I, I MEAN, YEAH, WE, WE DO, WE WE DO MULTIPLE, UM, SIDE THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, UH, DOABLE. IT'S JUST THE, THE OWNER'S REQUESTING WE, WE LEAVE IT AS IS. BUT YEAH, IF WE NEED TO, UM, YOU COULD THAT, THAT'S TOTALLY DOABLE. THANK YOU. IF, IF I MAY AS WELL, IF ANOTHER POTENTIAL SOLUTION WOULD BE, UM, REMOVING THE, THE LIGHTING WITHIN THE SIGNAGE. SO IT, IT IS JUST A SIGNAGE SIMILAR TO THE, THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESS AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, UM, ADD THE EXTERNAL LIGHTING SO IT COULD, IF WE REMOVE THE INTERNAL LIGHTING, THAT WOULD, UM, BE IN COMPLIANCE. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. LIGHTING'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, IT'S JUST THAT IF LIGHTING IS PRESENT, WE WANT IT TO BE, UM, EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED RATHER THAN, UH, ELIMINATED FROM INSIDE THE CABINET. I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE MR. SANCHEZ IS MAKING REFERENCE THAT IT WAS APPROVAL BY THE OWNER WAS THE OWN, DID THE OWNER, UM, SEEK A CERTIFICATE OF, WAS IT APPROPRIATENESS? APPROPRIATENESS? NO, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. OKAY. SO THE PREVIOUS, UM, SIGN COMPANY INSTALLED ALL THE SIGNAGE WITHOUT PERMITS. ONE LAST QUESTION. UM, WOULD THIS, UH, SIZE OF SHOPPING CENTER REQUIRE A SIGN PLAN, SIGNAGE PLAN? I DON'T THINK BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL, BUT THINK SO. UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'RE AS MANY TENANTS, SO I'M JUST, CORY, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE A FULL SIGN PACKAGE FOR THIS STRIP MALL, WOULD WE? UH, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, IT'S ALWAYS ENCOURAGED IF THERE ARE A LOT OF TENANT OPPORTUNITIES AND THERE'S A LOT OF REQUESTS COMING, LIKE, WE ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT. SO IF THE OWNER TAKES THE INITIATIVE TO COME IN AND GET APPROVAL ON THE FRONT END, THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY ON THE BACK END. ALL THE TENANTS AS THEY COME IN KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. THANK YOU. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU'RE AMENABLE. GO AHEAD SIR. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE STIPULATIONS STATED, I'LL SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. AND A SECOND. I'D LIKE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. THAT'S ME, ISN'T IT? UM, FLORES. AYE. REGARD? AYE. SETZER. AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. SMITH. DR. SMITH, ARE YOU THERE? YEAH, IT HELPS WHEN I GET MY FINGER OFF THE MUTE BUTTON. A VA. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE FINE. VASQUEZ AYEDA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. I'M TONY. I'LL REACH OUT, UH, VIA EMAIL WITH YOUR APPROVAL AND THEN WE CAN TALK HOW TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE. OKAY, SOUNDS GREAT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 404 0 2 ATCH. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE ALL WOOD WINDOWS AND WHOLESALE REPLACE SIM WITH THE FIBERGLASS [02:45:01] MATERIAL STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH E. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE WOOD WINDOWS WITH IN-KIND MATERIALS. UM, AND JUST A QUICK REFERENCE ON THE CASE HISTORY OF, OF THIS REQUEST. STAFF DID CONDUCT A SITE VISIT TO ASSESS THE WINDOWS. ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE THREE ITEMS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, ROT, UM, ON THE WOOD. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR MISSING, UM, MATERIALS SUCH AS GLASS OR DAMAGE TO THE SILLS STYLES AND RAILS. UM, AND, UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE LOOKING IF TO SEE IF THE WINDOWS ARE BEYOND A STATE OF REPAIR WITH 50% BEING A MINIMUM. UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE PROPERTY IS HERE IN PERSON. BRENTLEY HIGHTOWER. IT'S A BUTTON. A BETTER, UH, APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. IF Y'ALL WANNA SPEND THE TIME WHEN I'M TALKING LIKE STRETCHING OR PUTTING YOUR HEAD DOWN ON THE TABLE, YOU WON'T BE OFFENDING ME AT ALL. UH, MY NAME'S BRANTLEY HIGHTOWER. I'M THE ARCHITECT WORKING WITH, UH, TYLER WARREN AND ALLISON NEAL, THE OWNERS OF THE HOME. TYLER IS HERE. UH, ALICE, UH, UH, ALLISON TEACHES FIRST GRADE, ALTHOUGH WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE BRINGING HER CLASS IN AS A FIELD TRIP, WE THOUGHT THAT WOULDN'T HELP OUR CASE, SO WE DECIDED AGAINST THAT. UH, AS CLAUDIA MENTIONED, UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A, UH, SINGLE STORY, UH, HOME ON THE SORT OF SOUTH, UH, EASTERN FRONTIER OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT'S ORIGINALLY BUILT AS A, UH, DUPLEX AND IT WAS, UH, STILL BEING OPERATED AS SUCH WHEN ALLISON AND TYLER PURCHASED IT. UH, I BEGAN WORKING WITH THEM ABOUT A YEAR AGO WITH THE IDEA OF CONVERTING WAS ESSENTIALLY TWO UNITS MIRRORED RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER, UH, INTO A, UH, SINGLE UNIT FOR THE TWO OF THEM AND THEIR NOW 3-YEAR-OLD SON. UM, THE GOAL FOR THE OVERALL, UH, RENOVATION WILL BE TO, UH, MAKE ALL CHANGES TO THE INTERIOR ONLY WHILE RESTORING THE EXTERIOR. UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHILE THE, UH, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A FRONT ELEVATION UP, BUT IF WE DID, YOU WOULD SEE THAT WE WOULD BE REPLACING THE HOME DEPOT SPECIAL FRONT DOORS, UH, WITH SOMETHING MORE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE AS WELL AS FIXING THE SOMEWHAT SAGGING, UH, UH, ROOF LINE. ALRIGHT, HERE WE GO. THERE'S THAT SAGGING ROOF LINE. UH, SO WE STARTED WORKING WITH THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC ASSOCIATION LAST SUMMER, UH, ALREADY INCORPORATED A NUMBER OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS INTO THE OVERALL DESIGN. UH, AND THAT WAS WHEN SORT OF THE QUESTION OF REPLACING VERSUS REPAIRING WINDOWS FIRST, UH, CAME UP. UH, AND SO WE HAVE STARTED THE PROCESS OF, UH, SEEING IF WE MET THAT, UH, 50%, UH, THRESHOLD, UH, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT FROM A 100-YEAR-OLD HOUSE. UH, THE, UH, OH, HERE WE GO. UH, THE LIGHT ON THE INSIDE IS GREAT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS ALLISON AND, UH, TYLER LIKE IT SO MUCH. BUT AS YOU MIGHT ALSO EXPECT FROM A HUNDRED YEAR OLD WINDOWS THAT MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINED AS WELL AS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, THEY TEND TO, UH, YOU CAN FREE FEEL THE WIND, UH, WHEN IT BLOWS AND THE HEAT RADIATES WHEN IT'S HOT. UH, AND SO THE INTENTION IS TO, OR THE HOPE WAS TO REPLACE THEM, UH, WITH A, UH, A, A A PROFILE, UH, THAT MATCHES THE DEPTH AND THE THICKNESS. UH, I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT A MARVIN PRODUCT, UH, TO DO THAT. AND SO REQUESTED THE, OR APPLIED FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, GET TO THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE BASICALLY TO DISCUSS. UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO, UH, MAINTAIN THE, OR REPAIR THESE, UH, KIND OF TWO, UH, TRIPARTITE WINDOWS, UH, ON THE FRONT. UM, BUT I GUESS WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO, UH, UH, SEE IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MEET ONE ANOTHER HALFWAY, UH, IS ON SOME OF THE OTHER WINDOWS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE REAR WINDOWS ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM ANY PUBLIC STREET. UH, AND THE SIDE WINDOWS, UH, ARE ALSO SIMILARLY, UH, OBFUSCATED BY, UH, NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. UM, AND THE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ALLISON TYLER, NOT DEVELOPERS, NOT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH DEVELOPERS, UH, BUT THEY'RE HOMEOWNERS AND THEY DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS BOTH TO THEIR HOME, UH, AND TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND DOING IT IN, UH, UH, THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE GUIDELINES. UM, AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST STARTING THIS PROCESS. SO, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A LONG ONE. UH, AND CLAUDIA AND THE REST OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS BEEN, UH, EXTREMELY HELPFUL AS WE'VE NAVIGATED THAT PROCESS. UM, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA WANT, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THIS, WHICH IS THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM THEM, UH, TO, UH, TO [02:50:01] HAPPEN. UM, AND, UH, OUR APPLICATION, UH, FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH SIMILAR REPRODUCTIONS IS JUST SORT OF THE FIRST STEP OF THAT. UH, AS WE START, START THE PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD, UH, WITH THIS RESTORATION, UH, EFFORT, UH, WITH THE GOAL OF IMPROVING AND RESTORING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE AS IT EXISTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK I CAME IN UNDER MY 12 MINUTES, SO YOU CAN TAKE A NAP FOR THE REST OF THE TIME IF WE NEED TO FILL THAT UP. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY DISCUSSIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS. CLARIFICATIONS. CLAUDIA, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK ABOUT THE VIOLATION INFORMATION AND THE FINDINGS. CAN YOU SHARE SOME INSIGHT INTO THAT? UH, THIS IS NOT A VIOLATION CASE. THIS IS, UM, SOMEONE WHO DID COME TO US FOR, UM, A WHOLESALE WOUND REPLACEMENT AS A REQUEST. SO THIS IS NOT A VIOLATION. I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG FILE HERE. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. APOLOGIES FOR ALL OF US. , YOU JUST SAID EVERYONE LIKE GASP AND THERE . I, I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT IT'S, IT'S MORE JUST MY PERSONAL INTEREST. IT ACTUALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. WILL YOU BE LEAVING THE, THE SECOND DUPLEX DOOR? WILL THERE STILL BE TWO DOORS? I, I'M, THAT'S JUST, I'M JUST INTERESTED. YEAH, AND THAT WAS A, A DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH, UH, UH, MONTE VISTA, UH, HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION, HISTORIC 'CAUSE I CAN NEVER REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT IS. POINT BEING, UH, CAME DOWN TO BASICALLY BOTH WILL APPEAR AS DOORS, EVEN IF THE ONE ON THE LEFT, WHICH WILL BE NOW GOING INTO THEIR PRIMARY BEDROOM, UH, EITHER IT'LL BE PAINTED OR FIXED IN PLACE. IT WON'T BE OPERABLE, UH, BUT IT'LL HAVE THE APPEARANCE FROM THE EXTERIOR AS BEING . I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMENT, UM, AND, AND SHARE SOME, UH, NOTE OF GRATITUDE THAT, THAT Y'ALL HAVE REACHED OUT EARLY IN THE PROCESS, , UM, AND, AND THAT THIS IS POINTEDLY NOT A VIOLATIONS CASE. UM, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS EARLY. I APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEIR INTERNAL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOLKS AND YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL, INCLUDING ADDRESSING THINGS LIKE THE SAGGING ROOF LINE AND, UM, PERHAPS MORE, UH, APPROPRIATE DOORS MOVING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF, UM, HAD VIEW CONSULTED ANY WINDOW RESTORATION COMPANIES? UH, I KNOW THERE'S A VERY GOOD ONE. PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE Y'ALL ARE AT. YEAH, AND IT'D BE INTERESTING. WE, THIS CAN HAPPEN LATER, BUT, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING THE NAME OF THAT. WE DID REACH OUT TO, UH, A HANDFUL JUST TO KIND OF GET INITIALS, SORT OF BALLPARK, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT HAD INITIALLY BEEN PRICED FOR THE REPLACEMENT VERSUS THE REPAIR. AND, UH, FOR THE 30, I THINK THEY'RE 32 WINDOWS TOTAL. UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW, DEPENDING ON THE DETERIORATION, IT WE'RE LOOKING LIKE A TWO TIME, TWO TO THREE TIMES, UH, INCREASE IN OVERALL VALUE. AGAIN, THE WINDOWS ARE GREAT, WANNA PRESERVE THE WINDOWS. CERTAINLY THEY REPLACEMENT ONE. IT'S JUST THE, THE REPAIRING VERSUS THE REPLACING THEM AGAIN, BRINGING IT UP TO, UH, I GUESS SORT OF ENERGY STANDARDS, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, UH, FOR, UH, UH, UH, FOR A, FOR A, FOR A FEASIBLE, UH, PRICE. YEAH, I MEAN, JUST FROM LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, IT SEEMS LIKE THE, OH, THE, THE CASING NEEDS SOME HELP AND THE, THE STOOL AREA OF THE WINDOWS NEEDS SOME HELP, BUT OTHERWISE IT, IT APPEARS, HELP ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT APPEARS IT COULD JUST USE SOME GOOD, UH, GLAZING AND, UH, RECALLING AROUND. YEAH, NO, I MEAN THERE'S UH, THERE'S TWO PARTS THAT I MENTIONED. YEAH, NO, IT IS A FAIR POINT. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, I GUESS ALL THE, YOU HAVE THE, THE FULL DOCUMENTATION THERE THAT SORT OF SHOWS ALL OF THEM AND THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME AREAS THAT WORK THAT ARE IN WORSE SHAPE THAN OTHERS. UM, AND, UH, I MIGHT LOOK BACK TO, OH, THERE HE IS, HE MOVED. UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S, HE ALLOWED TO COME UP AND, AND TALK. OKAY, GOOD. UH, IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK MORE. YEAH, SO DEFINITELY THE THE ONES ON THE, SORRY, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. WHAT'S THAT? MAKE SURE YOU, I OH, TYLER WARREN HOMEOWNER, UM, HUSBAND OF ALLISON, THE ONES ON THE FRONT ARE, ARE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE, UM, THAN, THAN THE, THE ONES ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH GETS MOST OF THE SUN. THEY ARE IN WAR SHAPE, INCLUDING SOME OF THE ROT YOU SEE IS FROM THE WEST SIDE. ALSO, PREVIOUS AC WINDOW UNITS HAD BEEN USED ON A COUPLE OF THE WINDOWS. THEY WEREN'T PROPERLY, YOU KNOW, INSTALLED. SO YOU GET A LITTLE MORE WOOD ROT THERE. UM, AGAIN, LIKE BRANTLEY SAID, WE'RE A MINIMAL TO, TO REFURBISHING AND, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE FRONT ONES WOOD, UM, FROM [02:55:01] THE STREET SIDE. UM, IT'S THE ONES THAT ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT THAT WERE MORE LOOKING TO REPLACE. OKAY, THANK YOU. WAS THERE FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR THERE'S NO VOICEMAILS? NO LETTERS AND NO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR THIS REQUEST. UM, MADAM CHAIR, SO THIS IS, UH, TO STAFF AND THE, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT THE IMAGE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. SO IS THE APPLICANT REQUESTING TO, UM, REPAIR THE TOP 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, REPAIR THE TOP SIX AND REPLACE THE BOTTOM? UM, OR IS THAT, IS, AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? THAT, THAT YOU WANT TO REPAIR THE, THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE FRONT AND FRONT FACING AND THAT CAN BE SEEN FROM THE STREET AND YOU WANT TO REPLACE THE ONES THAT ARE BACK FACING AND CANNOT BE SEEN FROM THE STREET? AM I, AM I CAPTURING THAT CORRECTLY? I MEAN, WE'RE, COULD YOU GO TO THE, THE FLOOR PLAN THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL? UH, WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSION. I MEAN WE'RE, UM, SO THE, IT'S THE N ONE THROUGH SIX ARE THE, UH, FACING, UH, ATCH, UM, AND THEN THE EAST AND WEST SIDE, UH, AS WELL AS THE, THE SOUTH SIDE, AGAIN, SOUTH SIDE, NOT AT ALL VISIBLE. UH, THE WEST SIDE IS THE ONE THAT'S THE MOST DETERIORATED, UH, AND ALONG WITH THE EAST SIDE, YOU KNOW, IS OBSCURED BY THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORS. UM, AND COMMISSIONER, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS FOR A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT. SO THE REQUEST IS THAT ALL THE WINDOWS ARE TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A DIFFERENT PRODUCT, BUT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING REPAIR, CORRECT. WE'LL ALWAYS RECOMMEND EXPLORING THE AVENUE OF REPAIR PRIOR TO REPLACEMENT. CORRECT. OKAY. I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A MIDDLE GROUND AND WE'RE OPEN TO A MIDDLE GROUND OF, OF SOME, BUT NOT ALL. BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE HERE FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION. THE NORTH NORTH ONE THROUGH EIGHT NOR, UH, IT'S SIX. IT'S HARD TO SAY 'CAUSE THE FONT SMALL, BUT YES, THE N ONE THROUGH N SIX, THOSE ARE THE TWO, THE DOUBLE TRIPARTITE, UH, WINDOWS THAT ARE STREET FACING. YES. COULD YOU PUT CLAUDIA, CAN YOU ALLOW ME TO SEE THE VIEW FROM THE SIDES, THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDES OF, OF EAST AND WEST? SO THIS IS WEST ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, BUT LIKE FROM THE STREET VIEW, IS THERE A, A PHOTO AVAILABLE SHOWING WHICH WINDOWS ARE VIEWABLE FROM THE STREET? I HAVE THE EAST VIEW IN THE SECOND PDF SECOND, CORRECT. BUT I DUNNO THAT THE WEST VIEW MADE IT IN THERE. I DON'T WANNA ASSUME. BUT Y'ALL PUT IN CENTRAL AIR AND HEAT OR IS IT STILL WINDOW UNITS? CURRENTLY IT'S WINDOW UNITS PART OF THE EFFORT. PART OF THE EFFORT WILL BE, UH, THE RESTORATION EFFORT WILL BE TO PUT IN CENTRAL AND OBVIOUSLY THE PERFORMANCE OF THE WINDOWS WILL ALLOW US TO SIZE THE CENTRAL SYSTEM SMALLER IF WE'VE GOT A MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT ENVELOPE. THIS IS THE STREET VIEW FROM THE EAST SIDE? CORRECT. CLAUDIA, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE WHERE, WHERE YOU HAD THE, THE LABELING, THE, THE FLOOR PLAN WITH UH, WINDOW LABELS? THERE WE GO. YEAH, SORRY CLAUDIA HAD TO MAKE YOU JUMP BETWEEN RECOMMENDATIONS. ANY COMMENTS? I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, BUT I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF, IF UM, MY COLLEAGUES ARE READY. UM, I'M GONNA MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR REPAIR OF THE WOOD WINDOWS WITHIN KIND MATERIALS. I'LL SECOND THAT. I'D LIKE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. FLORES. AYE BRI REGARD? AYE. SETZER. AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE SE AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANKS GUYS. SORRY I [03:00:07] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HDRC CA OR CTAP. CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 0 3. ADDRESS IS FIVE 15 WIX. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A LIMESTONE RETAINING WALL TO REGRADE THE FRONT YARD TO CREATE A LEVEL SURFACE AT THE TOP OF THE NEW WALL. THREE. REPLACE THE CONCRETE PORCH STEPS WITH STONE. FOUR. REPLACE THE CONCRETE WALKWAY STEPS WITH STONE FIVE CONSTRUCT LIMESTONE PLANNERS ALONG THE SOUTHERN AND EASTERN FACADES FOUNDATION. SKIRTING STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH I STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO RETURN THE MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR PREVIOUS CONFIGURATIONS. THE APPLICANT, REBECCA CLAUSEWITZ IS HERE IN PERSON. THERE IS ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND ONE IN PERSON. SPEAKER, UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, LET ME GO BACK UP TO THE FINDINGS REALLY QUICK. SO BEFORE WE BEGIN, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RUN THROUGH A FEW OF THE FINDINGS. SO, UM, FINDING B LIST OF VIOLATIONS. SO ON MARCH 1ST, 2024, STAFF OBSERVED WORK OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. STAFF DISCUSSED THE PROJECT WITH THE, UH, DRIVEWAY CONTRACTOR ON SITE, AND HE STATED THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD ALL COAS AND PERMITS FOR THE SCOPES OF WORK. OBSERVED STAFF CONDUCTED THE OR STAFF CONTACTED THE PROPERTY OWNER VIA PHONE CALL AND LET HER KNOW OF THE VIOLATIONS OF HER OBSERVED AND ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER THE SAME DAY. UM, ALSO TO CASE HISTORY. SO THIS PROPERTY RECEIVED FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION ON APRIL 7TH, 2021 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SECOND STORY EDITION, REAR GARAGE, PORCH REPAIR AND WALKWAY REPLACEMENT. THESE ITEMS ARE NOT, UM, A PART OF THE REQUEST TODAY. UH, THE REQUESTS ARE FOCUSING ON THE FIVE ITEMS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. UM, AND YEP, GO AHEAD, MA'AM. UM, MY NAME IS REBECCA CLAUSEWITZ. I'M THE HOMEOWNER AT 5 1 5 WIX. AND, UM, I'M GONNA, EXCUSE ME, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE HOUSE. UM, THIS IS A FAMILY HOME THAT WAS PURCHASED BY MY GRANDMOTHER IN THE 19, I WOULD SAY LIKE 19, LATE 1940S, EARLY 1950S. UM, IT'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE THAT TIME, UM, GOING THROUGH VARIOUS FAMILY MEMBERS AS OWNERS. UM, IT WAS PURCHASED BY MY GRANDMOTHER FOR HER MOTHER'S, MY GREAT-GRANDMOTHER. UM, MY GREAT-GRANDMOTHER WAS IN PRETTY DIRE FINANCIAL STRAITS. AND MY GRANDMOTHER, UM, AND HER SISTER HAD THE MONEY TO GO AHEAD AND PURCHASED THIS HOME FOR MY GRANDMOTHER, WHO WAS TAKING, UH, HAD CUSTODY OF HER TWO, UH, GRANDSONS. THEIR MOTHER, UM, LEFT THE FAMILY AND THEIR FATHER WAS UNABLE TO CARE FOR THEM, SO SHE TOOK IT UPON HERSELF TO RAISE THE BOYS. UM, AFTER SHE PASSED AWAY, THE HOUSE WAS, WENT TO MY GRANDMOTHER AND HER SISTER BACK. THEY AGREED TO GIFT IT TO THE TWO BOYS, UM, WHO ARE MY COUSINS, I GUESS. UH, THEY, UM, LIVED IN THE HOME AND, UM, WERE NOT ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. UM, IT, UH, WHEN IT HAD VERY, VERY LITTLE, UM, MAINTENANCE DONE ON IT FROM THE TIME IT WAS PURCHASED, SAY IN LIKE 1950 ISH UNTIL I, UH, OBTAINED IT. UM, MY ONE COUSIN WAS A QUADRIPLEGIC AND, UM, WAS BEING TAKEN CARE OF BY HIS BROTHER, WHO, UM, DEVELOPED DEMENTIA AFTER THE PASSING OF HIS, OF HIS YOUNGER BROTHER, AND HAD TO GO INTO A NURSING HOME. AT THE TIME, HE HAD, I WOULD SAY BACK IN MAYBE 20 2005, MAYBE ISH, HE HAD OBTAINED A REVERSE MORTGAGE ON THE HOME, WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS IF YOU HAVE A REVERSE MORTGAGE WHEN YOU GO INTO A NURSING HOME, UH, YOU AUTOMATICALLY, UM, HAVE TO TURN THE HOMEOWNER, HAVE TO TURN THE HOME OVER TO THE REVERSE MORTGAGE COMPANY WHO THEN DECIDES TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO WITH IT. UM, I WAS ABLE TO [03:05:01] PURCHASE IT FROM THE REVERSE MORTGAGE COMPANY TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, UM, WHEN HE WENT INTO THE NURSING HOME. SO I DECIDED TO UNDERTAKE THE COMPLETE REHAB OF THE HOME. IT, UM, THE ONLY WAY I COULD AFFORD TO DO IT AT THE TIME I BELIEVED, WAS TO DO AN ADDITION TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO OFFSET THE HUGE AMOUNT OF COSTS I KNEW THIS WAS GONNA BE. UM, IT'S BEEN MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE YEARS, MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS, CONTRACTORS WALKING OFF WITH MY MONEY, CONTRACTORS LEAVING THE JOB. AND THESE ARE COMPLETELY VETTED CONTRACTORS, UM, THAT WERE HIRED BASED UPON THE RECOMMENDATION OF MY ARCHITECT WITH FISHER HECK. SO I DIDN'T APPROACH THIS CAVALIERLY, I DIDN'T APPROACH IT WITH, UM, ANYTHING BUT A LOVE FOR THE HOME AND DEEP POCKETS BECAUSE I KNEW I HAD TO HAVE THEM. UM, IT IS, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A REALLY, HAD I KNOWN NOW, WOULD I, OR HAD I KNOWN THEN WOULD I KNOW NOW, I PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT, AND I WOULD'VE LET THE REVERSE MORTGAGE COMPANY TAKE THE HOME. THAT'S HOW EMOTIONAL THIS HAS BEEN FOR ME. IT, UM, IT IS FINALLY TO THE STAGE WHERE I WOULD SAY IT'S 99% COMPLETE. HOWEVER, DURING THE, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IN THE HOME HAD TO BE RIPPED OUT. I MEAN, IT HAD TO GO, IT WENT BEYOND DOWN TO THE STUDS HAS A NEW FOUNDATION. IT WAS ON CEDAR STUMPS, AND NOW IT HAS A, IT KNOW, PROPER ENGINEERED FOUNDATION. IT HAD NOT BEEN TUBE WIRING. ALL OF THE W WIRING HAD TO BE PULLED. IT HAD ORIGINAL PLUMBING, ORIGINAL SEWAGE LINES. EVERYTHING IN THAT HOUSE HAD NOT BEEN TOUCHED SINCE IT WAS BUILT, EXCEPT THEY DID PUT IN CENTRAL AIR, WHICH WAS DONE POORLY. I OBVIOUSLY COULDN'T KEEP THAT. AND THEY HAD MADE MODIFICATIONS FOR MY COUSIN WHO WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR, UM, TO UNDERTAKE THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME. UM, SEVERAL TRENCHES, LIKE WHEN I SAY TRENCHES, I MEAN LIKE BASICALLY THE WHOLE, UM, SOUTH SIDE OF THE YARD HAD TO BE DUG UP TO ACCOMMODATE NEW SEWER, NEW WATER, AND UNDERGROUND, UM, ELECTRICAL. AND, UM, SO THERE HAS NOT REALLY BEEN ANY REGRADING, SO TO SPEAK. THE, THE FRONT OF THE YARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF LEVEL. IT DOES KIND OF SLOPE OFF NOW WHERE THERE HAS BEEN, UM, TRENCHES DUG. UM, IT WAS BECAUSE OF ALL THIS DIGGING, THE EROSION OF THE PROPERTY WAS VERY SEVERE AND IT HAD BEEN CONSTANTLY DRAINING SOIL INTO THE, INTO THE SIDEWALK AREA. AND THIS IS HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. SO THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO WHEN WE GOT TO THE STAGE, AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE WHERE THE SOIL HAS GONE INTO THE STEPS, AND, UM, THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO WAS TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER EROSION. SO I PUT UP THESE RETAINING WALLS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO PREVENT THERE FROM BEING ADDITIONAL EROSION. UM, AND WE ALSO LOCATED, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S BEHIND THE CONTRACTOR SIGN, BUT WE, I EVEN LOST THE COVERING OVER THE WATER METER BECAUSE IT WAS ERODING SO BADLY THAT THE METAL COVERING THAT COVERS THE WATER METER WAS NO LONGER EVEN IN THE GROUND. SO I WANTED TO SECURE THAT AREA WHERE THE CONTRACTOR SIGN IS TO ALLOW FOR THE IRRIGATION BOXES, THE WATER METER, EVERYTHING TO WHERE IT WOULD NOT ERODE ANYMORE, AND WE WOULDN'T LOSE ALL OF THAT DIRT. AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT RETAINING WALL WAS PUT IN. UM, THEN YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE PLANTER BOXES ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ARE NOT ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. THEY'RE FREESTANDING. THEY HAVE FOUR SIDES ON THEM, AND THEY WERE DONE MOSTLY TO ALLOW ME TO PLANT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT HAS, UH, WOOD SIDING, SKIRTING TO PREVENT WOOD ROT TO PREVENT, UH, WOOD DESTROYING INSECTS FROM COMING INTO THE HOME. AND THEN ALSO TO PREVENT THE NEW FOUNDATION FROM BEING, UM, IMPACTED BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SKIRTING AND IT HAS A CRAWL SPACE, WHICH IS STILL ACCESSIBLE. IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOME BEHIND, UM, ON THAT LITTLE PART THAT JETS OUT. SO IT, THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S WELL VENTILATED. IT'S, UH, ACCESSIBLE. UM, [03:10:01] IT'S, UM, ACTUALLY BEEN ENCLOSED IN THE, THE PLASTIC SHEETING TO PREVENT THERE FROM BEING TOO MUCH MOISTURE INFILTRATION. UM, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY BAD PHOTO WITH MY FINGER IN IT, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UM, THE REASON THAT THAT WAS DONE. UM, AND I JUST, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO PREVENT WATER INFILTRATION AND DAMAGE TO THE SKIRTING. SO THAT WAS THE REASON I WENT WITH THE, UM, THE PLANTER BOXES INSTEAD OF PUTTING PLANTINGS DIRECTLY, 'CAUSE THE SKIRTING TOUCHES THE GROUND, IT WOULD'VE BEEN DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITH DRIP IRRIGATION. IT WOULD'VE BEEN GETTING WET, UM, UNDOUBTEDLY. AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO BE, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF MULCH OR ANY KIND OF ANYTHING WOULD BE TOUCHING THE SKIRTING. SO, UM, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO PREVENT WOOD ROT, UH, WOOD DESTROYING INSECTS AND KEEP IT SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE PERMANENT THAN, UM, AND THAT WOULD NOT RUN OFF. SO, UM, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. UM, AT THIS POINT, AND THIS IS A VERY, VERY EMOTIONAL SUBJECT FOR ME. I'VE SPENT OVER $800,000 REDOING THIS HOUSE, WHICH IS AN OBSCENE AMOUNT, AND THIS INCLUDES THE AMOUNT THAT I LOST TO MY FIRST CONTRACTOR. AND THEN THERE'S THE HOLDING TIME. UM, I PAY ALMOST A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN STORAGE FEES EVERY MONTH TRYING TO GET THIS HOUSE TO A COMPLETION POINT WHERE I CAN TAKE THINGS OUT OF STORAGE AND PUT THEM IN THE HOUSE. IT'S, UM, IT'S JUST BEEN ABSOLUTELY FINANCIALLY DRAINING AND EMOTIONALLY DRAINING. AND, UM, UM, I'VE HAD THE HOUSE BROKEN INTO TWICE. UM, THIS, ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES THEY BROKE IN, THEY STRIPPED ALL OF MY LOW VOLTAGE WIRING OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE BOX. SECOND TIME THEY KICKED IN MY BACK THE BACK DOOR AND THEN TRIED TO GET INTO THE GARAGE, WHICH WERE UNSUCCESSFUL BECAUSE I HAD THE NEW DOORS INSTALLED AT THAT TIME. UM, THE FIRST TIME I DON'T EVEN COUNT BECAUSE IT WAS WHEN IT WAS A SHELL AND THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S BEEN REALLY TOUGH. IT'S BEEN EMOTIONALLY DRAINING AND, UM, FINANCIALLY DRAINING AND I JUST WANNA SEE IT THROUGH TO COMPLETION. UM, IT'S, IT WAS A LOVE AFFAIR AND NOW THE LOVE AFFAIR IS GONE. . I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSIONS, CLARIFICATIONS. I JUST WANNA NOTE, WE DID HAVE AN IN-PERSON, SPEAKER SIGNED UP. MICKEY CONRAD WAS GONNA SPEAK IN OPPOSITION ON THIS. MS. CAMPBELL, I DIDN'T KNOW IF, I THOUGHT HE WAS, HE'S, HE'S LEFT, UM, FROM MCCAIN WILLIAMS. I THOUGHT HE WAS CONFERRING WITH STAFF, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE, YES. OKAY. UM, IS THERE A VOICEMAIL? OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, GO AHEAD MA'AM. WERE, UH, WERE YOU THE OWNER BACK WHEN PLANS WERE SUBMITTED FOR THE RENOVATIONS THROUGH THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION? YES, I WAS THE, I'VE BEEN THE OWNER SINCE THE, UM, RENOVATIONS HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN. AND SO THAT SCOPE ADDING, I GUESS A, LET'S SEE, ADDING A SECOND STORY, SOME OF THAT SCOPE CHANGED TO WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY, CORRECT? NO, IT STILL HAS A SECOND STORY. OH, IT DOES, OKAY. BUT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE FRONT FACADE. OH, I SEE. YEAH. OKAY, I SEE. SO EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE ACCORDING TO HDRC. UM, UH, THE CERTIFICATE C CER CERTIFICATION OF APPROVAL, WHAT IS IT? ? I ALWAYS FORGET THE NAME. YEAH, COA. THERE WE GO. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COA. UM, I RESTORED ALL THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. I ACTUALLY HAD TO RESTORE THE FRONT PORCH RAILING. IT DID NOT EXIST. I PULLED UP PHOTOS THAT I FOUND UP IN THE CRAWL SPACE OF THE HOUSE DURING DEMO. I FOUND SOME OLD PHOTOS THAT MY COUSIN HAD TAKEN BEFORE HE HAD, UM, UH, VINYL SIDING INSTALLED ON THE HOUSE BACK IN, I WOULD SAY AROUND 2000, 2005, [03:15:01] SOMEWHERE AROUND IN THERE. I HAD TO PULL OFF ALL THE OLD SIDING. HE HAD CLAD ALL THE WINDOWS AND ALUMINUM. I PULLED OFF ALL OF THAT. I MEAN, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE WITH LOVE ON THIS HOUSE. UM, UH, I HAD THE, AND THE CHIMNEY REPOINTED. I HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERY PART THAT COULD, I COULD GET TO AN HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, UM, LOOK ON THIS HOUSE FROM THE OLD PHOTOS, WHICH THANK GOD HE TOOK THEM, UM, HAS BEEN DONE. UH, I EVEN HAD THE WINDOW SCREENS REPLICATED AND, UM, SO THE HINGE WINDOW SCREENS ARE BACK ON. UM, AND YOU KNOW, HONESTLY IT'S DOING ALL OF THIS HAS JUST BEEN ONE FINANCIAL HIT AFTER THE OTHER. I MEAN, YOU HEARD FROM THE PREVIOUS, UM, APPLICANT THAT THE REDOING THE WINDOWS IS FINANCIALLY, UH, A HUGE HIT TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY NEW, UM, HISTORICALLY ACCURATE LOOKING WOOD WINDOWS, PRICE LESS FOR A LOWER PRICE THAN YOU CAN TO REFINISH THESE. UM, BUT I'VE INSISTED ON DOING EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO THE BOOK. I EVEN HAD MY, UM, MY CONTRACTOR TAKE THE OLD FRONT DOOR, WHICH WAS COMPLETELY NOT SALVAGEABLE. IT WAS LITERALLY LIKE SWISS CHEESE 'CAUSE IT WAS A HOLLYWOOD DOOR. AND TAKE IT TO A CARPENTER, REPLICATE, TAKE THE OLD BEVELED GLASS OUT OF THE FRONT DOOR, REPLICATE THE FRONT DOOR COMPLETELY FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, PUT THE OLD BEVELED GLASS IN THE NEW DOOR. YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. I MEAN, I'VE LIKE DOWN TO THE DETAIL, MA'AM, THE QUESTION WAS ON THE UPPER LEVEL, RIGHT? AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO ELABORATE. I FEEL YOUR PASSION AND THE EMOTION THAT YOU HAVE CONNECTED TO IT, HOWEVER, THE SAME INTEGRITY THAT YOU'RE PUTTING BACK INTO THE HOUSE, AND I CAN SEE IT, IT IS RELEVANT. WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS AMAZING. SO I'M GONNA REFER BACK TO YOUR QUESTION. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I WAS JUST GONNA CLARIFY. SO YOU COMPLETED ALL OF THE WORK THAT HISTORIC, THAT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION, UH, APPLICATION THAT YOU ARE AWARDED OR THAT WAS APPROVED, RIGHT? THAT'S, AND SO, AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, I GUESS, BY THESE CONTRACTORS THAT IS HAS YOU HERE BASICALLY, RIGHT? AND THINGS THAT ARE COMING. QUITE HONESTLY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PUTTING IN A PLANTER, UM, WOULD GET ME HERE. HAD I KNOWN THAT I WOULD'VE, I WOULD'VE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION. UM, AND I HONESTLY DID THE RETAINING WALL TO KIND OF STOP A, UM, STOP A PROBLEM THAT EXISTED. AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I SAW THAT IT WAS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE AND I REALLY JUST WANTED TO, TO STOP IT. SO, UM, AND, BUT THOSE ARE TREATED ALSO AS PLANTERS AS WELL. SO THERE WON'T BE ANY KIND OF, UM, STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY ISSUES WITH THEM AND THEY CAN HIDE THE UNSIGHTLY IRRIGATION STUFF. ANY, ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? NO, NO, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SO IN ADDRESSING THE IRRIGATION, DID YOU FOLLOW UP WITH SAS AND, UH, ABOUT WHERE THE METERS ARE? UM, I, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT WAS DONE? WELL, THE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN IRRIGATION. UM, MA'AM, THE QUESTION WAS RIGHT, DID YOU FOLLOW UP WITH THEM AND NOTIFY THEM THAT YOU HAD ENCASED THEIR WATER METERS? BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW EVEN WITH THEIR CODE BECAUSE YOU RIGHT, YOU INFORMED US THAT IT WAS COVERED AND WAS NOT VISIBLE. NOW YOU'RE MAKING IT NON-VISIBLE, RIGHT? NO, WELL IT'S, IT'S AT, AT GROUND LEVEL. WHAT WE DID IS WE RAISED IT UP, THE, THE METER BOX HAD FALLEN COMPLETELY OFF OF THE METER. AND SO WE TOOK THE METER BOX THAT THE STANDARD METER BOX AND PUT IT BACK IN PLACE AND THEN HAVE, WE HAVE THIS MECHANISM TO HOLD IT IN PLACE. AND SO THERE, THERE WEREN'T ANY ALTERATIONS DONE. IT WAS JUST, UH, PUTTING THIS WALL IN PLACE TO HOLD THE METER BOX IN PLACE. IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. IT DOES. BUT MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO DID YOU REACH OUT TO THEM SO THAT YOU [03:20:01] COULD WORK WITH THEM FOR A SOLUTION, OR WAS THIS SOMETHING THAT WAS TOLD BY YOUR CONTRACTOR? WELL, THERE WASN'T, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT I WAS CHANGING ABOUT THE METER OTHER THAN MAKING, NO MA'AM. SURE. THAT MA'AM, SEE WHERE THE SIGN IS AND SEE WHERE THE LITTLE GREEN COVERS IS. UH, AND THE IRON COVER THAT YOU SAID WAS COVERED BECAUSE IT WAS ERODING. MY QUESTION IS TO THAT, DID YOU REACH OUT TO THEM? STILL THE SAME QUESTION, RIGHT? DID YOU REACH OUT, REACH OUT TO THEM FOR SOLUTION? I DID REACH, NO, I DID NOT REACH OUT TO SAS. I, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT, WE MA'AM FIX, YOU SAID IT WAS AN ISSUE RIGHT BEFORE IT WAS AN ISSUE. NOW IT'S NOT. I REPAIRED IT. NO, MA'AM. THAT'S A UTILITY, RIGHT? WIRING SEWAGE WATER. YOU HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THOSE UTILITIES BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THEIR AREAS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO INSPECT IT, ENSURE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO RECEIVE SERVICES BECAUSE UP INTO A CERTAIN LINE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE, RIGHT? NO, BUT I KNOW THAT BEFORE THE METER, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE, THE METER PLACEMENT DID NOT CHANGE. EVERYTHING IS STILL IN PLACE. IT'S ALREADY PASSED, PASSED. AND YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. PLUMBING, BUT, BUT OKAY, THE QUESTION AGAIN, I KNOW. NO, I DID NOT REACH OUT TO SAS BECAUSE, BECAUSE NOTHING CHANGED IN THE PLACEMENT OF THEIR METER. ACTUALLY A LOT OF THINGS CHANGED IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOW PUTTING OTHER THINGS AROUND IT THAT SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN TO YOUR METER, THEN HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET TO IT FIRST? AND FOR FOREMOST, THEY WERE NOT INFORMED BECAUSE IF THEY COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING IN ADDITIONAL TO YOU, JUST LIKE THE VIOLATION THAT YOU HAD ON MARCH 1ST ALSO GOES BACK TO THE UTILITIES. THAT'S SAFEGUARDING YOU. I NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I USED TO WORK IN WATER UTILITIES. I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I, I WORKED IN A, FOR TCQ FOR 13 YEARS WORKING IN WATER SUPPLY. I DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO MODIFY OR TO TOUCH SAWS METER. ALL I DID WAS PUT THE, TO KEEP IT AT GROUND LEVEL AND TO KEEP THE WATER METER BOX FROM FALLING OVER. I JUST, THE WALL IS THERE TO KEEP THE WATER METER BOX IN PLACE. BUT IT'S NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING. IT'S NOT TOUCHING THE LINE, IT'S NOT TOUCHING THE METER. IT'S JUST KEEPING, IT'S PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR THE WATER METER BOX. I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU JUST TOLD ME 13 YEARS THAT YOU WORKED WITH IT. RIGHT. THEN YOU KNOW THAT IN 13 YEARS THERE'S CERTAIN COMPLIANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW TO, TO ACTUALLY SAFEGUARD YOU. I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I HAVEN'T TOUCHED THEIR LINES. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, UH, IF I MAY, UM, UH, POSE A MOTION WHILE, WHILE THE INTENT WAS THERE, UM, OF DOING THE RIGHT THING, THE, UH, APPROPRIATE PROCESSES WERE NOT FOLLOWED TO, TO ACHIEVE, UM, APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I'D LIKE TO POSE A RECOMMENDATION TO, OR A, A MOTION TO SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. I'D LIKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. FLORES. AYE REGARD? AYE. SETZER. AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. SEPULVEDA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR STAFF? THAT WAS OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. THAT WAS OUR LAST ITEM. OKAY. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. AYE. WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED AT 1157. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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