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I'M JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
THANK Y'ALL FOR JOINING US TODAY.
THIS IS A MEETING OF THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CHAIR.
UH, GOOD MORNING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
THE TIME IS NOW 9 0 8 ON MARCH 26TH, 2024.
I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES APPEALS ADVISORY BOARD OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
HEREBY CALL THIS MEETING INTO SESSION.
UH, CAN WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THIS MEETING? GOOD MORNING.
LET ME GET, UH, LEWIS SET UP REAL QUICK AND THEN WE CAN DO THE ROLL CALL.
LET HIM GO AHEAD AND SIGN IN FIRST.
[ Roll Call ]
ALL RIGHTY, CHAIR, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO ROLL CALL LEWIS FRECKLES.UH, SO WE BOTH HAVE THE PRIMARY AND THE ALTERNATIVES FOR THE RECORD.
ANY VOTES WE TAKE WILL GO TO THE PRIMARY AS LONG AS HE'S STILL HERE.
KAREN CARPENTER, JACK UP MOORE.
JUST REMIND EVERYBODY TO USE YOUR SPEAKER SO THEY CAN HEAR IT.
DO YOU WANNA HIT AGENDA ITEM? YOU AN AGENDA ITEM? YEAH, I THINK I HAVE THE AGENDA ITEM.
OH, UH, YEAH, IT'S, UM, LET ME MOVE MY MOUSE.
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OKAY.UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, BOARD REVIEW AND VOTE ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 13TH, 2024.
THIS IS RON KAMUS TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED.
ALRIGHT, SMITH, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO, UH, REALLY THE ONLY AGENDA ITEM
[ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items ]
THAT WE HAVE OF, OF ACTION THIS MORNING IS TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION OF COMMITTEES FOR THIS BOARD.SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST TWO MEETINGS, JANUARY 5TH AND FEBRUARY 13TH.
UH, WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT AND HOPEFULLY FINALIZE THAT.
UH, WE'VE E EMAILED OUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, THAT WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN FROM THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS OVER THE LAST TWO MEETINGS OUT TO Y'ALL.
YOU ALSO HAVE, YOU HAVE THAT PRINTOUT.
WE ALSO HAVE A PRINTOUT THAT CONTAINS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY PRINT OUT WAS SOME SUGGESTED EDITS FROM OUR LEGAL TEAM.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, YOUR BOARD MEMBER, MARK ROSS, UH, HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
SO WE WENT AHEAD AND PRINTED THAT OUT IN THE THIRD VERSION.
UH, THE DOUBLE PAGE ONE IS THERE AT THE END.
SO HOW I WANTED TO KIND OF STEP THROUGH THIS, AND OF COURSE IF, IF Y'ALL WANT TO VEER FROM THAT, HAVE NO PROBLEM.
BUT WAY I LOOKED AT IT, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE'VE KIND OF GONE OVER LITTLE BITS AND PIECES INDIVIDUALLY, AND, UH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ITEMS ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE.
BUT THE GOAL IS TO KIND OF JUST SAY, LOOK, HERE'S REALLY
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THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE OUR PROPOSING TO MAKE.AND WE CAN KINDA LOOK THROUGH EACH ONE AND JUST SAY, YES, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
SO WE CAN LEAK SOME, TAKE THAT OFF THE BOARD AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOOD.
AND THEN KINDA STEP THROUGH THOSE.
I STARTED OFF WITH KIND OF THE BASIC, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SIMPLE ONES AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, PROBABLY MORE THOUGHT AND, AND, UH, DIALOGUE NEEDED, UH, TO GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE ON THE FINAL.
SO FIRST IS, THIS KINDA CAME UP LAST TIME, COMMITTEE VERSUS SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO CURRENTLY UNDER THE CHAPTER 10, THIS IS A BOARD.
UM, NOW NOMENCLATURE, A LOT OF, I KNOW CITY STAFF AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE KEPT CALLING 'EM SUBCOMMITTEES.
I'VE TAUGHT MYSELF TO CALL IT COMMITTEES JUST 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S IN THE CHAPTER 10.
BUT IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE MAY BE CONSIDERED CHANGING THIS TO JUST SUBCOMMITTEES.
SO I'VE WENT THROUGH AND MADE ALL THE CHANGES TO SAY, HEY, THESE ARE ALL NOW SUBCOMMITTEES.
UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? ANY CONCERNS? OR DO WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD? WE JUST SAY, HEY, THAT'S GOOD.
WE'LL CALL 'EM SUBCOMMITTEES FROM HERE ON OUT.
UH, THE NEXT ONE, LIKE I SAID, PRETTY SMALL.
UH, CHAPTER 10, IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CREATE A COMMITTEE WHEN WE'RE ADOPTING THE, THE CODES, BUT IT DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE SIGN CODE.
AND SO I'M JUST KIND OF ADDING THAT IN THERE.
LOOK, WE NEED TO CREATE A COMMITTEE FOR, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T LIMIT US TO ONLY COMMITTEES FOR ADOPTING THE CODES AND THE SIGN CODE, BUT IT KIND OF SAYS, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO COM CREATE COMMITTEES FOR THOSE.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE CAN CREATE COMMITTEES FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE CREATED COMMITTEES FOR CCRS, SUCH AS THE BABY CHANGING STATIONS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE WERE STILL ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO ADD OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES.
UH, BUT THIS JUST KIND OF SAYS WE'RE REQUIRED TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR WHEN WE ADOPTED EACH OF THE CODES AND THE SIGN CODE AS WELL.
SO, UH, JUST ADDING THAT LITTLE LANGUAGE THERE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, LEMME GRAB MY SECTION.
SO UNDER SECTION F, IT JUST SAYS, PRIOR TO CONDUCTING PUBLIC HEARINGS ON ANY OF THE NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BUILDING RELATED CODES, ANY, UM, THE APPEALS ADVISORY BOARD WILL CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE.
I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD ALSO ADD SIGN CODE TO THAT AS A REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THERE.
SO SUBCOMMITTEES AND, UH, ADDING SIGN CODES, UH, GOOD.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS SETTING THE NUMBER OF NINE APPOINTED MEMBERS.
SO CURRENTLY THE MAKEUP OF SUBCOMMITTEES ARE A MINIMUM OF FOUR FROM THE BOARD, A MAXIMUM OF SEVEN.
NOW WE CAN WE'LL DISCUSS PRIMARY ALTERNATES, ALL THAT IN A LITTLE BIT LATER.
BUT, UM, THAT'S JUST THE NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT CAN BE ON THAT COMMITTEE.
AND NON APPOINTED BOARD MEMBER OR NON APPOINTED SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR.
SO BETWEEN ONE TO FOUR OR ZERO TO FOUR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'D BE THERE, BUT THAT IS CURRENTLY WHAT'S IN THE CODE.
UM, WE'VE KIND OF BOUNCED AROUND A FEW DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
UH, THE LAST ONE THAT WE LANDED ON DURING THE LAST COMMITTEE OR BOARD MEETING WAS ONE LESS THAN HOW MANY EVER WE HAVE ON THE, UH, OF BOARD MEMBERS ON THAT COMMITTEE.
SO SAY WE DID FOUR, THEN IT WOULD BE THREE.
IF WE DID SEVEN, IT COULD BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX.
UH, NOW THAT'S THE LANGUAGE I SENT OUT.
I KNOW MARK'S LANGUAGE WAS MAXIMIZING IT AT ONE, ONE LESS R FOUR.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I, I, TWO THINGS.
ONE IS, IS I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DECIDING IF THERE IS GOING TO BE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS TO THAT COMMITTEE.
THE SECOND THING IS, I THINK THERE IS, SHOULD BE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF FOUR OR ONE LESS, WHICHEVER IS LESSER.
BECAUSE HAVING SIX PEOPLE, IF YOU HAD SEVEN AND THEN YOU HAVE SIX NEW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT IS WAY TOO MANY.
WE DID IT WITH THE SIGN COMMITTEE, HAVING FOUR WAS A LOT BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT ALL HAVE AGENDAS AND IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND THE WORST OF ALL WORLDS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO ATTEND MULTIPLE ONES OF THESE MEETINGS IS IF IT DRAGS ON.
AND LIKE THE SIGN COMMITTEE DID, I MEAN, I THINK WE HAD WHAT, 10 MEETINGS? 10 OR 11? IT SEEMED LIKE A HUNDRED.
BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT SHOULD BE FOUR OR ONE LESS THAN THE NUMBER APPOINTED.
AND THE BOARD SHOULD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY NON-VOTING MEMBERS APPOINTED TO THAT COMMITTEE AT ALL.
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, SO, I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE, THE TWO WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER RECOMMENDED CHANGES BEYOND THAT.
SO IT'S EITHER ONE LESS THAN, OR ONE LESS THAN WITH A MAXIMUM OF FOUR.
UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FOUR IS WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE IMPROVING ON IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF HEARTBURN IF WE DIDN'T ALLOW IT TO GO UP TO FIVE OR SIX IN ANY EVENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BOARD IF WE OR COMMITTEE, UH, IF WE WENT THAT FAR, WE'D HAVE SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS.
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I, I MEAN, RARELY DO WE GET TOO MANY.UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING INTERNATIONAL, THE I-B-C-I-F-C-I-R-C BOARD, IEBC, THAT ONE GOT CLOSE TO SEVEN.
BUT ALL THE OTHER ONES WERE MORE IN THE THREE TO FOUR, UH, SOMETIMES FIVE RANGE.
I THINK, UH, DID I INTERRUPT SOMEBODY? NO, NO.
I THINK IT'S MOSTLY IMPORTANT WHEN, OH, I'M SORRY.
YOU THINK I'VE BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT? RIGHT.
UM, I THINK IT'S MOSTLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COMMITTEES WHERE THE ACTIVISTS GET MOST INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, ENERGY COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, TO SOME EXTENT THE SIGN COMMITTEE.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF, UH, OUTSIDE INFLUENCE THAT WANT, YOU KNOW, I CALL 'EM ACTIVISTS.
THERE'S ENGAGED CITIZENS, MAYBE WE'LL CALL IT THAT WAY.
UM, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE, LIKE MARK SAID, WITH AN AGENDA.
UM, AND SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO TURN THESE SUBCOMMITTEES INTO CIRCUSES.
IN THE PAST, ENERGY COMMITTEE, UM, HAS BEEN VERY RESPECTFUL AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE HAVE GOOD INPUT AND THEIR EARNEST AND, UM, WITHOUT ART, ART ULTERIOR MOTIVES.
UM, BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THOSE COMMITTEES COULD GET OUTTA HAND.
SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF KEEPING THEM SMALL.
UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN'T COME AND PARTICIPATE.
I THINK THEY'RE MOSTLY OPEN MEETINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIMITING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAN ACTUALLY VOTE, UM, JUST TO KEEP THOSE KIND OF SITUATIONS UNDER CONTROL, I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE LANGUAGE OF THIS KIND OF CONFUSES ME A LITTLE BIT, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
I THINK I LIKE THE ONE THAT'S TITLED MARK'S LANGUAGE A LITTLE BETTER.
'CAUSE IT'S CLEARER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD VERSUS NOT, OR, YOU KNOW, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THAT LANGUAGE IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING TO ME, EVEN THOUGH I KINDA KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
IT'S THE, YEAH, THE ONE IN BLUE, THE LAST, UH, IF YOU GOT THE HANDOUTS IN IT'S TWO PAGES AND IT SAYS MARK'S LANGUAGE UNDER
UH, JUST TO CLARIFY JACK UP MORE HERE.
UM, YOU HAD SAID CITIZENS, UH, FOR STAKEHOLDERS, AND A LOT OF TIMES THESE, THESE INTERESTED PARTIES COME FROM AUSTIN AND ARE NOT CITIZENS.
SO HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THEY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA TO LOOK AT.
UH, WHETHER THEY NEED TO BE REQUIRED, UM, IF Y'ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO, UH, RECUSE THAT OR NOT, OR, UH, SO JUST LIKE BOARD MEMBERS, UM, JUST SO WE HAVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO CITIZENSHIP, BOARD MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED TO BE CITIZENS.
UNLESS THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, WAIVES THAT AND SAYS, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? AND WE, YOU KNOW, ON THIS BOARD, IT'S TYPICAL BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A TECHNICAL BOARD, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PUSH TO GET ON THIS BOARD.
I DON'T HAVE A LINE OF, OF, UH, OF MEMBERS ASKING TO BE JOINING THAT ARE IN THE CITY.
CAN WE PLEASE, YOU KNOW, LET'S TAKE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE OVER THE CITIZENSHIP.
SO THAT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS ADDING LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT WOULD ALLOW Y'ALL TO WAIVE THAT.
BUT THE DEFAULT WOULD BE CITIZENS.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK IT'S CHAD MIKE RUST.
AGAIN, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS IMPORTANT ABOUT WHERE THEY LIVE.
YOU KNOW, UM, THERE MIGHT BE SOME, THERE MIGHT BE A BOARD MEMBER WHO DOESN'T LIVE WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT WHOSE ENTIRE PROFESSIONAL LIFE IS INSIDE OF THE SAN CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
I THINK YOU'RE ALLUDING TO SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS THAT ARE BASED OUT OF OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND STATE THAT, THAT COME TO TRY AND EXERT INFLUENCE ON OUR CITY'S POLICY.
THAT WOULD BE CORRECT CHAIR, IF I MAY, I MEAN, THOMAS' DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IT'S NOT CITIZEN, IT'S RESIDENT.
IF YOU RESIDE IN SAN ANTONIO, YOU CAN BE CITIZEN OR NOT.
THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN BEING, YOU KNOW, RESIDING IN SAN ANTONIO.
BUT THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE, AS THE CHAIR, UH, YOU HAVE THAT CAPABILITY OF WAIVING THAT REQUIREMENT.
WE PREFER TO HAVE THE MEMBERS, UH, TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO 'CAUSE THEY HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF SAN ANTONIO.
BUT AS YOU SAID, THEY MIGHT WORK IN SAN ANTONIO AND LIVE OUTSIDE.
THEY STILL HAVE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY.
BUT THAT'S WHEN YOU GUYS CAN WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND, UH, GOING BACK TO MARK'S COMMENTS A LITTLE BIT, UH, IN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE, OR THE ONE MODIFIED BY JEREMY AND EVERYBODY ELSE, IT SAYS YOU MAY CONSIDER HAVING, UH, NON-VOTING MEMBERS, I GUESS ORIGINALLY.
SO IT SAYS MAY, IT DOESN'T HAVE, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU HAVE OR SHALL UH, ADD FOUR OR MORE OR THREE OR MORE, OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
IT SAYS YOU MAY, IT MAY CONSIST OF, SO BASICALLY YOU HAVE THAT CAPABILITY OF SAYING THIS SUBCOMMITTEE DOESN'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL, I GUESS, INPUT.
AND YOU CAN, UH, DO THAT REAL, REAL QUICK.
BOARD, I JUST GOT TOLD WE MAY NOT BE LIVE STREAMING.
SO LEMME DO TWO CLERICAL ITEMS. UH, GARY C***S JUST CAME IN, SO WE'LL, WE'LL PUT HIM DOWN AS PRESENT FOR THE MEETING AT 9 23.
UH, HE HAS THE PRIMARY, SO, UH, EDWARD DEFINITELY HERE.
UH, UH, PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK.
BUT ANY VOTES, WE'LL NOW GO TO, UH, GARY AS THE PRIMARY AND LEMME GO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE LIVE STREAM AND SEE IF WE GET THAT CORRECTED REAL FAST.
CHAIR, CAN YOU CALL A RECESS LIKE FEW MINUTES? YES.
WE'LL CALL A RECESS SO WE CAN FIX THE, UH, ISSUE WE
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HAVE.IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL HAVING ISSUES, BUT, SO I THINK, DID WE GO INTO RECESS WHEN I STEPPED OFF? OKAY.
SO WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO CALL US BACK.
WE CAN CALL US BACK OUT OF RECESS.
WE'RE ON THIS ON MARK'S LANGUAGE NUMBER TWO, AND AND BRIAN WAS ASKING A QUESTION, KIND OF PERTAINS TO IT.
BUT WHEN WE SET UP THESE SUBCOMMITTEES, JUST MAYBE REFRESH US ON PROCEDURE, WHEN THE BOARD, IT SAYS, WHEN THE BOARD DETERMINES THAT NON APPOINTED MEMBERS SHALL BE APPOINTED TO A SUBCOMMITTEE.
IS THAT THE, THIS, SO THE B THIS BOARD OR THE BOARD THAT'S, THAT'S BOARD, YEAH.
WENT, I THINK MARK'S LANGUAGE WENT IN THROUGH AND JUST CLASSIFIED BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES, THAT APPEAL BOARD AND THAT SUBSECTION AS BOARD.
SO ANYTIME WE REFERENCE BOARD, IT WOULD BE THIS BOARD.
SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SET WHO WANTS TO BE A PART OF THE SIGNED COMMITTEE AND FOUR PEOPLE CHOOSE TO RAISE THEIR HAND, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THE CHAIRMAN IS ELECTED WITHIN THAT GROUP OF THAT COMMITTEE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT DECIDE TO HAVE THIS? SO I THINK WHAT MARK WAS LOOKING FOR, HIS RECOMMENDED CHANGE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, UH, SAID VOTE TO NON APPOINTED MEMBERS.
SHOULD IT BE THE BOARD OR SHOULD IT BE THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION, UH, WHETHER IT WOULD HAVE NON APPOINTED.
SO ONCE AGAIN, I THINK MIKE, UH, MEAN WAS ALLUDING TO, IS IT'S STILL AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMITTEE OR THE BOARD TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS OR NOT EACH TIME.
AND HOW MANY, UH, NOW WE COULD SET IN LANGUAGE OF MAXIMUM FOUR OR THREE LESS THAN WE COULD SAY.
THAT'S THE MAXIMUM MATTER WHAT, UH, BUT THEN AT WHAT LEVEL? SO MARK'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'D BE A BOARD DECISION WHEN THEY CREATE THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD MEET EVERYBODY COME TOGETHER AND WE WOULD GO THROUGH LIKE, OKAY, WE GOTTA DO A MECHA, A PLUMBING COMMITTEE WHO'S VOLUNTEERING, WHO'S VOLUNTOLD, UH, TO GET US WHAT WE NEED.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THE BOARD WOULD, IF BASED ON MARK'S RECOMMENDATION? YEAH.
THE, WELL, TYPICALLY THE, WE CAN CREATE THE CHAIR THERE OR THE, OR THE SUBCOMMITTEE WHEN THEY FIRST MEET FOR THE FIRST TIME AGENDA ITEM COULD BE, UH, VOTE FOR CHAIR, DECIDE HOW MANY BRIAN SMITH.
SO WE WOULD ALSO, AT THAT TIME, YOU WOULD HAVE A LIST OF NAMES OF WHO WOULD BE, I THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT MARK'S GOING FOR.
HE'S JUST SAYING WHETHER YOU WOULD YEAH, GO AHEAD.
THE BOARD DECIDES HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA FROM HERE SERVE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE.
THE BOARD US DECIDES ON IF THERE IS GOING TO BE NON-CITIZENS, NON-MEMBER, NON-BOARD MEMBERS APPOINTED TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
THAT'S, THIS GROUP'S ONLY CHARGE.
ONCE THE SUBC, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DONE.
THAT'S WHAT WE, WELL, OTHER THAN THEN THEY DIDN'T DECIDE ON IF THERE IS, SO THEN A VOTING NON-VOTING PEOPLE COULD BE THERE BECAUSE IT REALLY DIDN'T MATTER AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T VOTE.
I THINK TECHNICALLY WE'VE ONLY EVER DONE IT ONE TIME.
AND THAT WAS THE LAST SIGN CODE STEP.
STEP TWO IS ONCE THE BOARD DECIDES THEY'RE GONNA BE VOTING NON-MEMBERS OF THE BOARD SERVING ON A SUBCOMMITTEE, THEN THE SUBCOMMITTEES FORMED SUBCOMMITTEE JUST LIKE NOW PICKS A CHAIRMAN FROM THE VOTING MEMBERS.
THEY GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF OUTREACH TO GET THE PEOPLE TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS, AND THEN THEY GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION JUST LIKE WE DID IN THE SIGNED COMMITTEE AND PICK HOWEVER MANY NUMBER THAT WE NEED.
IT WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT TO, TO DO A LITTLE MORE DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE WHEN THEY WERE NON-VOTING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THE PREFERENCE WAS TO LOAD IT UP WITH PEOPLE WHO HAD A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
NOW THAT THEY'RE VOTING, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE BALANCED.
BUT THE, THE IMPORTANT THING IS THE BOARD HAS TO MAKE THE DECISION TO MAKE THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE ELECTRIC CODE, HAVING A BIG SUBCOMMITTEE OF NON IS NOT, AT LEAST IN MY VIEW, A SMART MOVE BECAUSE THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU GET A BUNCH OF ELECTRICIANS OR SOMETHING ON THAT COMMITTEE, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP.
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IT'S GONNA SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN IMMENSELY ON THE BIG ONES.AND I, YOU KNOW, I HAD A, A CONVERSATION WITH MIKE SHANNON IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY PROBABLY THE ENERGY CODE, THE SIGN CODE, MAYBE THE FIRE CODE OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
IT SHOULDN'T BE EVERY ONE, BUT I THINK THE BOARD HAS TO MAKE THAT DECISION, NOT THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHAT YOURS IS.
SO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I ALSO HAVE ONE MORE RECOMMENDATION, BUT I THINK THAT'S NEXT ON THE LIST.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT HE'S AIMING FOR.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONTROL WHO GOES ON AND OFF.
WAIT, WELL NO, HE'S SUGGESTING YOU, YOU ONLY CONTROL HOW MANY NUMBER.
AND THEN ACTUALLY WHO'S ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD, I'M SORRY, WOULD BE DONE BY THE BOARD ITSELF.
THE BE DONE BY THE, I'M SORRY, THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
IT WOULD BE DONE, IT'S MARKED.
THE SELECTION OF THE NON-BOARD MEMBERS TO SERVE WOULD BE DONE BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO JUST LIKE WE DID ON THE SIGN CODE, THE SIGN CODE COMMITTEE PICKED WHO INTERVIEWED AND PICKED WHO ARE THE CITIZENS THAT SERVED ON IT.
TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD IS YOU'RE, IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
IT'S, IT'S, IT TOOK US LIKE TWO HOURS.
TIME THAT TO GET EVERYBODY IN FOR THAT KIND OF THING.
I MEAN, IT WORKED REAL WELL LETTING THE SUBCOMMITTEE MAKE, BUT THE BOARD SHOULD DECIDE IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AT ALL.
I, I JUST AM, I'LL USE THE WORD HOSTILE TAKEOVER.
THAT'S THE REASON I LIKE KEEPING IT UP HERE.
IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, NON, NON-BOARD RESIDENTS TO SERVE ON THESE SUBCOMMITTEES, I THINK IT, IT HELPS PREVENT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE ALL WORRIED ABOUT IS THE HOSTILE TAKEOVER.
IF WE GET DOWN TO A SUBCOMMITTEE WHERE THERE'S FOUR, FOUR OF US, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FOUR VOTES THAT CAN, THAT CAN SWING SOMETHING.
NO, BUT, BUT WE'RE GONNA, THE, THE FOUR OF US ARE GONNA SELECT THE, THE PEOPLE TO THAT THREE.
SO IF YOU HAD FOUR VOTING MEMBERS, THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE LESS THREE AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD PICK THE THREE.
AND I WOULD TELL YOU WITH THE LANGUAGE IN HERE, IT'S DIRECTING THAT IT BE A DIVERSE AND BALANCED GROUP.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SIGN COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE ONLY PLACE WE'VE EVER USED THIS, I THINK BEFORE.
HAD THIS, SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEEN IN PLACE, WE WOULD'VE GONE FOR TWO LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY PEOPLE, ONE REAL ESTATE PERSON AND ONE BILLBOARD COMPANY WOULD'VE BEEN THE MAKEUP.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A BALANCE GROUP BRINGING EVERYBODY'S PERSPECTIVE TO THE, THE TABLE.
IT, IT'S A HILL I'M NOT GONNA DIE ON, BUT IT'S JUST, I, MY PREFERENCE IS I'D LIKE TO KEEP US UP WHERE IT'S THIS GROUP THAT DECIDES WHO GETS ON THAT.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE 18 PEOPLE THAT HERE, OKAY, MARK STILL, YEAH, IT TOOK TWO HOURS.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD TO DO THAT FOR THREE OR FOUR BOARDS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT'S JUST NOT, WE HAD HAVE TO TRUST THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE, BUT THE BOARD WILL STILL DECIDE HOW MANY MICROPHONE BASED UPON OUR HOW, WHO BRIAN SMITH.
BUT THE BOARD WILL DECIDE ONCE WE KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE ON WHAT COMMITTEE, HOW MANY IS, HOW MANY THAT WOULD BE IN THAT NON, UH, NON-BOARD MEMBERS WOULD BE ON THAT COMMITTEE.
AND THEN LET THE BOARD OR THE SUBCOMMITTEE VOTE ON, UM, WHO IT WOULD BE.
AND I GUESS THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS, IS EVEN AFTER THAT THEIR SUGGESTIONS COME OUT OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON IT ANYWAY.
SO ALWAYS BRIAN, CORRECT? YEAH.
BRIAN, OR WELL, BOARD HAS THE FINAL, BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE AND THEN CITY COUNCIL OF COURSE.
ONE CAVEAT TO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, THIS IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THESE GROUPS INTO THE MEETINGS.
BECAUSE IN THE PAST, AS, YOU KNOW, LIKE ENERGY CODE FOR EX FOR EXAMPLE, WE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE MAKES FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE, WE APPROVE IT, WE GO UP TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL SAYS, NO, WE WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THIS.
AND THEN IT COMES, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LIKE IT ALONGS THE PROCESS.
SO GETTING THOSE GROUPS, HAVING, GIVING THEM A VOTE EARLY ON, I THINK SHOULD HELP SHORT CIRCUIT SOME OF THE, THOSE PRE OUTSIDE PRESSURES.
SO, UH, REAL QUICK ON THE CONSENSUS, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE HITTING ITEMS THREE AND FOUR RIGHT NOW.
SO THREE BEING THE NUMBER IS, IS IT SEEM TO BE A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD? IT WOULD BE MAXIMUM OF FOUR.
WELL, I APOLOGIZE, THERE IS NO MINIMUM.
SO THERE IS NO MINIMUM, BUT IT WOULD BE THE LESSER OF THREE.
ONE LESS THAN THE NUMBER OF BOARD APPOINTED MEMBERS ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE ARE FOUR.
SO IF WE HAVE FIVE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS OR BOARD MEMBERS ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THEN IT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR, SIX OR SEVEN, WHICH WOULD STILL BE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR.
IF FOR SOME REASON WE ONLY HAVE FOUR, THEN IT WOULD BE THREE AS A MAXIMUM CHAIR.
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REAL QUICK CLARIFICATION.NOT JUST BOARD MEMBERS, BUT BOARD VOTING MEMBERS.
'CAUSE WE HAVE SECONDARY ONES THAT COULD, ARE THEY ALL VOTING MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE COMMITTEE? I THINK IT A PART OF THE BOARD WHERE PRIMARY, YEAH, WE NEED TO HASH THAT OUT AS WELL.
THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE NEXT ONE WE'RE DOING OKAY.
IS MAY ALLOW THE NON-VOTING PEOPLE OR THE ALTERNATES TO VOTE.
ACTUALLY I MAY NOT HAVE THIS, THAT LIST, BUT CLARIFY, IT'S, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THAT LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S IN MY, OKAY, PERFECT CHAIR.
SO JUST SO WE DON'T GET INTO THIS ONE, MINUS THE NUMBER OF UH, BOARD APPOINTED, UH, MEMBERS, CAN WE CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE ORIGINALLY FROM THE BOARD TO GO TO INSTEAD OF FOUR TO SEVEN, TO MAKE IT FIVE TO SEVEN AND THEN SAY NO MORE THAN FOUR, NONE APPOINTED MEMBERS TO BE ON IT SO THAT WAY WE DON'T GET TO ONE MINUS AND ALL THAT MATH.
I'M NOT GOOD IN MATH, SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST SAYING, AND I WOULD SECOND THAT BECAUSE IF I HAVE FOUR BOARD MEMBERS ON MY SUBCOMMITTEE, I NEED THREE PRESENT TO GET QUORUM.
IF I HAVE FIVE, I NEED THREE PRESENT TO GET QUORUM.
AND SO LIKE HAVING FOUR, I REALLY WOULDN'T CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE WITH JUST FOUR 'CAUSE IT'S SHOOTING MYSELF IN THE FOOT.
I NEED AT LEAST ONE MORE RINGER IF I DIDN'T ASK JOE LAOS TO ADD TO JOIN.
SO HOW, HOW DO WE DO LAST YEAR AS FAR AS GETTING THE NUMBER? DO YOU REMEMBER ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES? I MEAN CURRENTLY WE'RE UNDER, IT'S IT'S FOUR TO SEVEN, SO WE WOULD JUST AMEND THAT TO BE FIVE AND THEN A MAXIMUM OF FOUR IT'S MARKED.
UH, BUT IF THERE ARE NON-BOARD MEMBER MEMBERS, WHICH IS GETTING CONFUSING IT, THE QUORUM WOULD BE, IF IF THERE WERE FOUR PLUS THREE TO MAKE SEVEN, THE QUORUM WOULD BE FOUR.
BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL VOTING PEOPLE.
WELL, I'M, WAIT, SO IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S NOT US THAT DETERMINES THE QUORUM.
IF YOU'RE PUTTING NO, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE MEANS RECOMMENDATION CHANGE OF GOING FROM A MINIMUM OF, OR A MINIMUM OF FOUR, MAKING THAT A MINIMUM OF FIVE BOARD MEMBERS TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT BACK THEN BEFORE WE, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL GONNA BE TIMES THAT WE DON'T HAVE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO IF I SAY I NEED FIVE, I'M JUST SAYING MY RECOMMENDATION IS GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
BECAUSE I WOULD, I DON'T WANT A FOUR MEMBER SUBCOMMITTEE 'CAUSE I NEED THREE PEOPLE OF THOSE FOUR, I'D RATHER HAVE FIVE AND HAVE THAT ONE PERSON THAT'S LIKE, I'M ONLY HALFWAY IN.
BUT I CAN MAYBE SHOW UP EVERY NOW AND THEN AS KIND OF A FALLBACK.
I MEAN, I'M THAT IT, IT IT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR.
AND AND IF THE SUBCOMMITTEE ONLY WANTED TO CHOOSE TWO PEOPLE TO SERVE, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
SO WE'RE GONNA AMEND BOARD MEMBER REQUIREMENTS FROM FOUR TO SEVEN TO BE NOW FIVE TO SEVEN.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA AMEND THE LANGUAGE FOR NON APPOINTED MEMBERS TO BE VOTING MEMBERS TO A MAXIMUM OF FOUR.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WHEN WE VOTE AND CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE AT THIS BOARD LEVEL, Y'ALL CHOOSE THE FIVE TO SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS THAT'LL BE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND THEN YOU'LL CHOOSE HOW MANY NON APPOINTED MEMBERS WILL BE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AS WELL.
Y'ALL DECIDE ZERO THROUGH FOUR.
BUT THE LANGUAGE WOULD JUST BE, AND WE'RE NOT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE IT MEANS COMING FROM, WHERE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NATURALLY GONNA BE, UH, GUARANTEED TO ALWAYS HAVE A QUORUM OR A, A MAJORITY FROM THE BOARD.
'CAUSE MINIMUM WOULD BE 5, 4, 5 BOARD MEMBERS, FOUR NOT APPOINTED, BUT IT COULD BE SEVEN FOUR, IT COULD BE SEVEN THREE, IT COULD BE SEVEN TWO.
Y'ALL DECIDE WHEN Y'ALL CREATE THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
BUT, BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IN REALITY THE BO THIS BOARD IS GOING TO JUST CHOOSE, WE ARE HAVING NON-CITIZENS OR NON-BOARD MEMBERS BE A PART OF IT OR WE'RE NOT.
AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT IF THEY ONLY HAVE THREE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES, IT MAY ONLY BE THREE EVEN THOUGH THE MAX IS FOUR.
SO I THINK YOU LEAVE THAT UP TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO HASH OUT THE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.
SO IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THOSE NUMBERS? YES.
MAXIMUM OF FOUR OF NINE APPOINTED FIVE TO SEVEN ON BOARD APPOINTMENTS.
DO YOU NEED A MOTION? NO, NO, NO.
I THINK WE'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL SUMMARIZE THIS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
I MIGHT TAKE LIKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND TYPE IT UP AND Y'ALL CAN LOOK AT IT OR WHATEVER LEGAL SAYS.
I MEAN, WE'RE RECORDING THIS SO WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND SAY THIS IS IT.
JOSEPH BOARD JUST, UH, IS JOSEPH HARNEY CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? JUST ONE, ONE MORE THING TO TO REMEMBER, UM, WHEN THE SUBCOMMITTEES ACTUALLY START GETTING FORMED, I, I KNOW YOU GUYS COME HERE ON YOUR OWN TIME AND TO VOLUNTARY AND WHEN WE'RE FORMING THE SUBCOMMITTEES, A COUPLE OF THEM WERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A HARD TIME KIND OF GETTING, GETTING TO THAT FOUR.
SO JUST TAKE, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION WAS WHAT WAS LAST TIME? IT IT, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD THE MAXIMUM OF SEVEN ON EVERY SUBCOMMITTEE.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE WHEN IT, A COUPLE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS, WE CAN REACH OUT TO POTENTIALLY ONE OF, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO, INSTEAD OF REACHING OUT TO FOUR TO GET SOMEBODY HERE, WE REACH OUT TO SEVEN TO GET SOMEBODY HERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO AGAIN, JUST KINDA KEEP IT IN MIND WHEN WE GET AROUND TO ACTUALLY FORMING THOSE
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SUBCOMMITTEES.YEAH, WELL I'M, I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION ON THAT NUMBERING AND AS WE'RE TALKING QUORUM.
SO IF WE, IF WE STAYED AT FOUR AND LET'S SAY WE APPOINT THREE OR THE, THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE APPOINTS THREE NOT APPOINTED.
NON-BOARD MEMBERS, YOU'D, YOU'D BE UP AT SEVEN ANYWAY IF, 'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE SEVEN AND OUT OF THAT SEVEN YOU NEED NEED FOUR.
SO WE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT DOES THIS ANY GOOD REALLY TO JUMP TO FIVE.
IT CHANGE, IT CHANGES THE NUMBERS WITH THEM BEING VOTING NOW, I THINK.
SO ONCE THE, THE CITIZENS GET, UM, VOTING RIGHTS, THEY, THEY GO TO PART OF THE QUORUM AND SO YOUR YOUR NUMBERS DO GO UP.
UM, SO I WOULD CHANGE, CHANGE THE METHODOLOGY.
SO THE MINIMUM WOULD, WELL ONCE AGAIN, MINIMUM COULD STILL BE FIVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO ADD A NINE APPOINTED.
BUT IF WE DID FIVE AND FOUR, IT WOULD BE NINE.
SO I WOULD NEED SIX THERE OR FIVE.
NO, NO, IT WOULD BE AT THAT POINT WE'RE SAYING THE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS ARE VOTING MEMBERS.
SO IF YOU HAD FIVE AND FOUR, FIVE WOULD BE QUORUM.
WE FIVE WOULD BE MY QUORUM AND IT COULD BE A MAKE OF THE FOUR NON APPOINTED AND ONE BOARD MEMBER.
UM, BUT YEAH, ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE NORM.
BUT THIS, THIS IS MIKE TO TO, I THINK THE POINT JOE'S MAKING, WE, I THINK WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT ENERGY AND SIGN WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GET INVOLVED.
BUT, UH, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR A WHILE AND THERE'S THE LAST FEW CYCLES, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT GET STUCK ON THE PLUMBING AND, AND HVAC ARE THE ONES THAT WEREN'T HERE AND WE JUST PUT THEIR NAME IN BE TO PUNISH 'EM FOR NOT BEING AT THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, UM, SO WE GO OFTEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO WORK TO GET, GET PEOPLE ONTO THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO I JUST, WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT MAKING THE NUMBERS TOO, YOU KNOW, THE MINIMUM NUMBERS TOO, TOO HIGH.
WELL THAT'S WHY I THINK THEY LEAVE IT AT FOUR BECAUSE NOW WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING THE OTHER PEOPLE IN, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT, FOR THE FIRST MEETING OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE FOUR PEOPLE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE UNTIL THEY VOTE TO BRING OTHERS ONTO IT.
SO I STILL THINK WE'RE BETTER OFF KEEPING IT AT FOUR AND THEN IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FOUR, YOU NEED TO KEEP THE LANGUAGE ONE LESS.
LEMME GO BACK TO THOSE THAT, THAT I DON'T THINK METHODOLOGY, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT DIFFICULT, THE MATH, IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE LESS, THE MAX IS ONE LESS THAN THE APPOINTED BOARD OR A MAXIMUM OF FOUR.
YEAH, I I AGREE WITH THAT LANGUAGE.
I MEAN IT'S, Y'ALL DO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT, UH, MATH COMPUTATIONS TO FIGURE THAT THAT'S OKAY.
I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S NOT COMPLICATED.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE EASY FOR EVERYONE.
BUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT, THEN IT'S ONE LESS, IT'S YOUR YOUR DECISION.
I I AGREE WITH THE, THE ONE LESS JUST BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DEAL, IT'S DURING THE VOTE, IF YOU'RE HAVING A VOTE, IT'S GONNA BE ONE LESS AT THAT POINT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A A A KEY POINT.
AND SO WHERE WE STAND IS WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE, UH, CHANGING ANYTHING WITH THE BOARD APPOINTED MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE REQUIREMENT.
FOUR TO SEVEN AS A MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM.
AND THEN, UM, GO WITH A ONE LESS THAN THE NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS AND THE LANGUAGE.
OF COURSE, I, YOU KNOW, WE WILL CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE SURE IT LOOKS GOOD.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE LESSER OF FOUR ARE ONE LESS THAN THE NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS APPOINTED TO THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO IF THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS ONLY FOUR, THEN IT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF THREE NON APPOINTED, ANY ABOVE THAT, THEN THEY COULD GO UP TO FOUR.
SO IT COULD BE 5, 4, 6, 4, 7, 4, UH, MIX BETWEEN THE BOARD AND NON APPOINTED.
SO RON KAMIS IN LIEU OF THE FIVE FOUR, IS THERE ANY ISSUES WITH GOING FOUR THREE? SO I MEAN WE WOULD DO FOUR THREE.
IF THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS ONLY CREATED WITH FOUR BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAVE FOUR HVAC OR ELECTRICAL.
WELL, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS CHANGE THE MAXIMUM OF NON APPOINTED MEMBERS FROM FOUR TO THREE TO ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE ONE LESS.
THE ONLY REASON I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST THAT IS WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE.
THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE LANGUAGE.
SO WHEN WE GO FORWARD AND WE GO TO COUNCIL AND WE SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA ADD VOTING, BUT WE'RE GONNA REMOVE HOW MANY CAN VOTE OPTICS AREN'T THERE, Y'ALL STILL HAVE THE CONTROL.
LIKE, ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S JUST WHAT THE CODE LANGUAGE SAYS IS A MAXIMUM THAT THEY COULD HAVE Y'ALL DECIDE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS BOARD'S ONLY GONNA HAVE FOUR.
WE DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, UM, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE NOT SEEING SOMETHING, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO ON OUR END, TRY TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, KICKED UP.
SO WHEN WE'RE CREATING THESE SUBCOMMITTEES, WE'VE ALREADY HAVE SOME IDEAS.
SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN, IN JOINING THIS ARE, YOU KNOW, AS CRICKETS, THERE'S NOBODY THERE.
THEN YOU'RE GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S, LET'S DO TWO.
JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUT THERE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO.
AND, BUT IF NOBODY APPLIES, NOBODY POINTS, THEN IT'S JUST GONNA BE THE FOUR BOARD MEMBERS AND THAT'S IT ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AND WE'RE DONE.
SO ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT, I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT CHANGING IT DOWN JUST BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD, IT'S GONNA RAISE THE RED FLAG OF WHAT ARE WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ONE STEP FORWARD, ONE TWO STEPS BACK SOMETIMES HAD ASK, BUT THAT'S WHAT, IT'S, IT MAKES SENSE.
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YOU GOT LON, LON, CULBERTSON.UH, QUICK JUST A QUESTION ON PROCESS.
SO IN THIS COMMITTEE FORMS THE, THE VOTING MEMBERSHIP COULD BE MAJORITY, UH, NON APPOINTED OR MAJORITY APPOINTED JUST DEPENDING ON, DEPENDING ON WHO SHOWS UP THAT DAY, CORRECT, YEAH, DEPENDING ON WHO SHOWS UP.
SO THEN THE, UH, THE APPOINTED MEMBER, UH, THE CHAIRMAN OR ACTING CHAIRMAN WOULD REPORT WHAT, WHAT, UH, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT? SO THE COMMITTEE MEET SUBCOMMITTEE MEETS REPORTS BACK TO THE FULL BOARD AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, APPOINTED MEMBERS ARE IN THE MINORITY AND THEY REPORT BACK AND DON'T AGREE WITH THE DECISION.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT INFORMATION COME BACK AND WHAT'S THE, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO WE PROCESS ALL THAT? YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I DUNNO IF SIGN CODES LET, LET ME GO THROUGH ONE OF THE BUILDING CODES.
'CAUSE THE SIGN CODE WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING.
BUT SAY WE WERE JUST GOING THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, ENERGY'S ANOTHER COMPLICATED ONES.
SO SAY WE'RE JUST DOING THE BUILDING CODE AND YOU KNOW, SAY WE HAD A LOT OF NON APPOINTED MEMBERS THERE, AND WE, WE, WE GO STEP THROUGH.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THE PROCESS IS WE STEP THROUGH ALL CURRENT AMENDMENTS ON THE BOARD, ON THE, ON OUR CHAPTER 10 AND ALL THE CHANGES FROM 2021 TO 2024 OR 24 TO 27 AT THAT, AT THAT SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL.
AND WE JUST SAY, LOOK, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? DO WE WANNA EDIT ANYTHING? ANYBODY FROM THE OUTSIDE THAT HAS SOME PROPOSED CHANGES, ANY STAFF THAT HAS SEEN A LOT OF ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN WE KINDA GO THROUGH AND WE CREATE ALL THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IN CHAPTER 10 FOR EACH OF THE CODES.
AND THEN WE VOTE ON THOSE TOWARD, TYPICALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY WE SAY, HEY, HERE'S ALL THE ONES THAT WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF AND GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
AND THEN WE PRESENT THAT AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT WE KIND OF DO A SUMMARY TO THE FULL BOARD OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL 10 CHAPTER, ALL 10 BOOKS, KIND OF ONE MEETING.
SO WE DO KIND OF HIGH LEVEL HERE'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE GOT APPROVED THAT IT'S GOOD AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT.
HERE'S ALL THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE STUFF THAT'S CARRIED OVER.
BUT HERE ARE THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, EVEN IF IT WAS UNANIMOUS, WE STILL WANT THIS BOARD TO KNOW, HEY, UH, CASE IN POINT 2021, SPRINKLER SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, GARAGES THAT ARE OPEN, WENT FROM NOWHERE SPRINKLER REQUIRED TO SPRINKLER REQUIRED.
THAT'S A BIG CHANGE FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S GONNA BUILD TO A NEW GARAGE.
SO THOSE WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED AT THE SAME TIME.
IF WE DO HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT UNIFORM, IF WE DO HAVE, BECAUSE IT WON'T BE 95% OF IT, FIVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 5% OF WHAT WE TALK ABOUT AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL WILL NOT BE UNIFORMLY APPROVED ON BOARD AND NON APPOINTED.
THOSE WILL HIGHLIGHT TO THE BOARD, WHETHER IT'S UNI, UH, UNANIMOUS, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAME TO A COMPROMISE AND EVERYBODY AGREED TO THAT.
OR YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE AND NO MATTER WHO VOTED OUT, WE WOULD STILL HIGHLIGHT THAT TO THE BOARD AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY ALSO HIGHLIGHT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S AT.
UH, 'CAUSE THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE STICKING POINTS.
I MEAN, OUT OF ALL THE CODE THAT WE'LL READ THROUGH AND REVIEW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HANDFUL OF, OF 20 TO 30 ITEMS, UH, WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT THAT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE SOME DISAGREEMENT, WHETHER IT BE AT THE BOARD LEVEL STAFF TO BOARD, UH, CITIZENS TO BOARD OR INDUSTRY TO BOARD, UH, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
AND WE ALWAYS HIGHLIGHT THOSE.
SO AT THAT POINT, YOU'LL KNOW ABOUT IT AND Y'ALL CAN MAKE A CHANGE IF Y'ALL WANT TO AT THAT POINT.
AND ONE OF THOSE WOULD'VE BEEN THE REQ IN THE ENERGY, EITHER ELECTRICAL OR THE, UH, ENERGY CODE WOULD'VE BEEN THE REQUIREMENT TO PUT A 40 AMP CIRCUIT OR 50 AMP CIRCUIT IN THE GARAGE WOULD'VE COME BACK, HAD, HAD SOMEBODY NOT SHOWN UP AND IT WAS ALL, YOU KNOW, IT WENT OUT BY THE NON-BOARD MEMBERS.
AND I GUARANTEE YOU SOMEBODY WOULD'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THIS.
AND THAT ISSUE MIGHT HAVE HAD TO HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT THIS LEVEL TO SAY, IS IT THE RIGHT THING TO DO GOING FORWARD? SO I THINK THOSE THINGS WILL, YOU KNOW, GET HIGHLIGHTED BY THAT OR, OR, YOU KNOW, THE CHAIR WILL MAKE SURE TO MAYBE REVISIT IT BEFORE IT GETS HERE.
YEAH, WELL AND THAT'S CORRECT.
I MEAN, Y'ALL CONTROLLED THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE CHAIR OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS TO BE, AND I THINK WE MAYBE MAKE THAT CLEAR, NEEDS TO BE A BOARD MEMBER.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY JUST WHEN THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S FORMED AND LET'S SAY IT'S MECHANICAL AND THE FOUR, THE FIRST THING THAT THEY DO IS GONNA HAVE TO PICK A CHAIR.
SO THAT'S GONNA ALMOST FORCE IT TO BE A BOARD MEMBER TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THE, THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD WOULD JUST NEED TO SHOW UP FOR THE FULL BOARD, MEET THIS FULL MEETING AND TELL US THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, I WAS THE ONLY ONE THERE THAT DAY.
THERE WERE THREE NON NON-BOARD MEMBERS WHO VOTED.
HEY, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT MORE.
AND STAFF WOULD DO THE SAME THING ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO ANYTIME WE SEE A SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HIGHLIGHT THAT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT OPEN IS, LOOK, INDUSTRY'S SAYING ONE THING, A DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER GROUP IS SAYING THIS, WE'LL TAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF WILL HAVE ITS RECOMMENDATIONS, OF COURSE WHEN WE GO TO, UH, COUNCIL COMMITTEES AND ULTIMATELY TO THE FINAL COM, UH, COUNCIL.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HIGHLIGHT THOSE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES OR THOSE
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DISAGREEMENTS ARE, UH, WHERE WE COULDN'T COME TO COMMON GROUND.UH, LON CULBERTSON, AGAIN, FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
WELL, WE CAN DEFINITELY CIRCLE BACK AROUND.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT SET NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS, EVERYTHING'S GOOD THERE.
AND THEN, UH, SETTING WHO CAN VOTE, UH, TO ADD NON APPOINTED MEMBERS? UH, SO ONCE AGAIN, CURRENT LANGUAGE THAT I SUBMITTED WAS, IT'S UP TO THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S OPEN.
UH, THE BOARD CAN MAKE THE DECISION WHEN THEY CREATE THE SUBCOMMITTEE, HEY, WE WANT THREE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS, OR FOUR OR ZERO OR ONE OR THE CHA OR THE SUBCOMMITTEE ITSELF CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
UM, I THINK MARK'S RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE THAT CAME THROUGH WAS ONLY THE BOARD, UH, WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION, NOT THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND MARK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT NO, THE BOARD WOULD DECIDE IF THERE IS GOING TO BE CITIZEN NON-BOARD MEMBER PARTICIPATION, BUT NOT THE NUMBER, BUT NOT THE NUMBER AND THEN THE SUBCOMMITTEE BASED UPON, BUT IT, THE, THE NUMBER IS MAXED OUT.
BUT IF YOU ONLY GET TWO PEOPLE THAT APPLY AND THERE'S, AND THERE COULD BE A MAX OF FOUR, YOU'RE JUST GONNA PICK TWO.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL.
SO THE SELECTION AND THE, THE NUMBER IS DETERMINED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
THE FACT THAT YOU CAN DO IT OR NOT DO IT IS THE DETERMINED BY THE BOARD.
I MEAN, MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE WHEN I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, RUN THIS OFF THE WHY WOULD, AT WHAT POINT WOULD WE EVER AT THIS BOARD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T WANT NON APPOINTED MEMBERS ON THIS SUBCOMMITTEE ELECTRICAL COMMITTEE.
YOU WOULD WANT NON APPOINTED MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE, ON THE, THE HVAC.
YOU PROBABLY WOULD NOT EITHER.
SO I MEAN, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE BASICALLY AUTHORIZING THE APPOINTMENT OF NON-BOARD MEMBERS BE, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, IF YOU HAD FOUR PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN ANY ONE OF THE, WHAT I CALL THE MAJOR TRADES, IT, IT'S, IT COULD BE LIKE THE BSB BOARD WHERE IT TOOK, YOU KNOW, 25 MEETINGS TO GET THROUGH THE, THE THING.
AND NONE OF US WANT TO SPEND THAT TIME DOING IT.
I MEAN, RON, RON KMI ON, ON THE ELECTRICAL SIDE, I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH YOU, MARK.
UM, AND THE REASON BEING THAT IF WE HIT A NON-BOARD MEMBER, AS AN EXAMPLE, COULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM CPS ENERGY.
SO IN, IN THAT CASE, WE'VE GOT AN INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL, UH, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT THAT COULD PARTICIPATE IN THE BOARD, AND I COULD SEE OTHER INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS, AND IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO EVALUATE THE CANDIDATES BEFORE ALLOWING THEM TO BE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD, THEN I DON'T SEE, UH, ISSUE OR CONCERN IN THAT REGARD.
PLUS I COULD SEE ENERGY, THE BOARD THAT WOULD SAY, OKAY, AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO SAY, THESE PEOPLE MEET THAT STANDARD.
BECAUSE IF YOU GET, YOU KNOW, FIVE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE OR FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR THE FOUR POSITIONS AND THE BOARD SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOUR, THEN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PICK OUT OF THOSE FOUR.
SO I JUST, I THINK THE BOARD DECIDES WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM AND THEN THE SUBCOMMITTEE DECIDES, YOU KNOW, WHO'S QUALIFIED TO SERVE AND THE, WITH THE MAX NUMBER.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS JACK MORE HERE.
JUST REAL QUICK CLARIFICATION, MARK, YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR LANGUAGE.
WE, WE KIND OF KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT YOUR VERY FIRST SENTENCE SAYS WHEN, AND IT MIGHT BE WHEN, AND IF THE BOARD DETERMINES THAT NON APPOINTED MEMBERS SHALL BE APPOINTED TO A SUBCOMMITTEE, OUTREACH TO SOLICITED QUALIFIED AND DIVERSE CANDIDATES THAT REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF STAKEHOLDERS WILL BE UNDERTAKEN.
YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE.
IT'S MORE DO WE WANT THE ABILITY FOR THE BOARD TO VETO OR SAY NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO NON APPOINTED MEMBERS FOR THIS SUBCOMMITTEE VERSUS, AND THEN INSTEAD OF JUST LEAVING IT AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE, AT THE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE, Y'ALL, THEY CAN MAKE THAT SAME DECISION.
IF THEY DECIDE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GONNA DECIDE THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER COULD BE ZERO TO FOUR.
UM, SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL WANT THAT, UM, WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, I MEAN HAS YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH JEREMY ON THIS.
UM, I MEAN EVERYBODY SAID RIGHT INFORMATION, JUST I THINK HOW TO PACKAGE THIS.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THE SUBCOMMITTEE NEEDS TO REVIEW THE APPLICANT.
I MEAN, IF WE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR MECHANICAL AND NOBODY APPLIES, THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS.
BUT IF SOMEBODY APPLIES, IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT THOSE APPLICATIONS AND
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TO DECIDE IF YOU WANNA ADD THEM TO THE BOARD OR NOT.EXACTLY WHAT RON MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, CPS OR, OR IF YOU HAVE EVEN A, I MEAN THAT'S ELECTRICAL, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT MECHANICAL.
YOU GET A MECHANICAL CONTRACTOR WHO'S INTERESTED TO REVIEW THE CODE WITH US AND HELP US WITH IT, AND THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE, WHY NOT TO ADD THEM.
SO I AGREE WITH JEREMY, THE BOARD SHOULD NOT VETO OUT IMMEDIATELY SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE, UH, NONE, UH, APPOINTED MEMBERS.
I THINK WE WAIT WHEN THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE CREATED, THEN WE PUSH THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE CITIZENS, I GUESS.
AND IF ANYBODY APPLIES, WE LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THEY'RE WORTH BEING ADDED TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR WHEREVER THEY HAVE TO OFFER.
AND THAT'S WHEN THAT DECISION IS MADE.
UH, RON KAMIS, THE, THE ONE CAVEAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT WOULD BE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BOARD, REGARDLESS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, RECOMMENDS FOUR, THAT THAT RECOMMENDATION IS FOUR QUALIFIED APPLICANTS.
SO SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE GET A GRAND TOTAL OF FOUR, BUT ONLY TWO ARE QUALIFIED, THEN THAT'S ALL WE'RE REQUIRED TO SELECT.
YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT SAYS IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY MAX FOUR.
SO TECHNICALLY YOU CAN PICK 1, 2, 3, OR FOUR, UH, OR ONE MINUS THE NUMBER OF, UH, I GUESS APPOINTED MEMBERS.
IF THAT'S, THAT'S THE ROUTE WE ARE GOING.
AND AGAIN, IT SAYS VERY SPECIFICALLY HERE, IT MAY CONSIST OF UP TO FOUR MEMBERS.
UH, SO AGAIN, IT, WHEN YOU SAY MAY, DOESN'T MEAN YOU GONNA REALLY PICK FOUR.
IF I, AND I APOLOGIZE, MARK, I I, I'M GONNA AGREE, UM, ON, ON WITH THEM ON THIS ONE.
I, I THINK JUST AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, IF, UH, THIS BOARD DOES NOT, YOU KNOW, IF WE LEAVE TO THIS BOARD TO SAY YOU CAN HAVE OUTSIDERS, YOU KNOW, ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, OR NOT, AND WE SAY NO, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THAT PROCESS GOES THROUGH AND THEN SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, HEY, I WANTED TO SERVE, BUT YOU KNOW, I WASN'T ABLE TO YEAH.
AND THERE WASN'T EVEN A REVIEW OF MY APPLICATION.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S BY KIND OF BY RIGHT THEN AT, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT SAY NO TO PEOPLE, BUT AT LEAST THEY WILL HAVE GONE GOTTEN AN HONEST REVIEW.
AND WE CAN, AND WE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE OF COURSE THE GOAL IS TO GET ALL THESE POLICIES, HAVE THE BEST POLICY AND GET IT PASSED QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY WITHOUT A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO I THINK IT, TO ME, ME MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT.
SO THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, AND I THINK I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH YOU, MARK EARLIER, IS, SO IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WANTED A HIGH LEVEL OF YES OR NO, KIND OF CHECK THE BOX NOT APPOINTED OR APPOINTED AT THE BOARD LEVEL.
THEN THE REST HAS SUBCOMMITTEE.
MY, MY LANGUAGE KIND OF HAS BEYOND THAT, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE AN OPTION.
IT'S JUST THE NUMBER AND THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
I HAVE IT KIND OF WRITTEN TO WHERE IT'S, THE BOARD CAN DO THAT OR THE SUBCOMMITTEE, IT'S, IT'S OPEN UP, YOU KNOW, SO FOR SOME REASON WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, HEY, THIS IS ENERGY CODE.
LET'S, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LOT OF APPLICANTS, WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE.
WE KNOW THAT BEFORE WE EVEN CREATE THE SUBCOMMITTEE, WE COULD PROBABLY AT THE BOARD LEVEL SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, OR SIGN CODE AND HEY, LET'S HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE HEADS IN THE ROOM WHEN WE'RE INTERVIEWING THESE AND REVIEWING THESE AND MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.
BUT OKAY, YEAH, ELECTRICAL, I GET IT.
YOU KNOW, HEY, CPS WANTS TO BE THERE, MAYBE SOME ENERGY, UH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES WANNA BE THERE FOR THE, FOR THE ELECTRICAL.
LET'S LET THE SUBCOMMITTEE HANDLE THAT.
BUT CURRENTLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS, IS KIND OF THE OPTION.
THE BOARD CAN MAKE THE DECISION WHEN THEY CREATE THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR THEY CAN LEAVE IT UP TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ON, ON APPOINTING OR NOT APPOINTING.
YEAH, I MEAN, MY POINT WAS IS THAT TO GET THE BOARD BACK TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND GO THROUGH A TWO HOUR INTERVIEW PROCESS WHERE YOU NEED 10 PEOPLE HERE OR WHATEVER, MANY TO GET A QUORUM, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE A LOT OF TIMES HAVE JUST ONE THEN MAKES IT TOUGH TO APPOINT ANYONE.
IT WORKED REAL WELL IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO MAKE THAT APPOINTMENT.
AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE DEALING WITH IT.
LIKE I SAID, IT TOOK US ABOUT AN HOUR AND 30 MINUTES TO INTERVIEW EVERYBODY THAT WANTED TO BE INTERVIEWED FOR THE SIGN CODE.
AND SO I JUST THINK THAT SHOULD BE AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT I, I MEAN, I'M LEAVING IT AS AN OPTION.
THE BOARD MAKES THAT DECISION FOR EACH ONE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SO, SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY DOESN'T GET APPOINTED AND THEY ASK FOR AN APPEAL TO THE BOARD TO BE APPOINTED? I I, WELL, YOU CAN'T APPEAL TO THIS BOARD.
THAT AN APPEAL PROCESS AND AN APPEAL OF THE BUILDING OFFICIALS DECISION, NOT OF THE BOARD'S DECISION.
SO A SUBCOMMITTEE OR THE BOARD ARE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS, NOT THE BUILDING OFFICIALS.
SO THERE IS NO APPELLANT, YOU KNOW, THEY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE THEY COULD GO TO.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A AT PCDC OR, OR THROUGH THE PROCESS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SAYING, HEY, I DIDN'T GET A, I'M NOT GONNA DIE ON THE SWORD.
I JUST THINK IT SHOULD BE AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL, 'CAUSE THAT IT WORKED REAL WELL.
THE LAST, I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE IT, LIKE I SAID, I AGREE WITH THAT.
90% OF THE TIMES IT WAS THERE, I WAS JUST LEAVING IT AS AN OPTION.
BUT IF Y'ALL WANNA REMOVE THAT OPTION, SO IT'S JUST AT THE BOARD LEVEL, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S AN EASY, SO WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD IS SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL ONLY, OR BOTH? I THE OPTION BECAUSE WE CAN DEAL
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WITH STUFF.I THINK IT'LL KEEP US FLEXIBLE.
AND WHO MAKE, WHO MAKES THAT DECISION OF WHO DOES THE, WHEN Y'ALL CREATE THE BOARD, THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO WHEN Y'ALL VOTE TO CREATE THE SUB SUBCOMMITTEE, WE WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT I THINK SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE THE ONES THAT SET THE NUMBERS.
YOU KNOW, THE GOAL WOULD BE Y'ALL AS FLEXIBLE AT THE BOARD LEVEL AND AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL.
IF Y'ALL WANNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, HEY, AT THE BOARD LEVEL, WE'RE GONNA SET THE NUMBERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
OR SET ALL THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS, BOTH BOARD AND NON APPOINTED, Y'ALL CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
OR Y'ALL CAN JUST SAY, HEY, HERE ARE THE FIVE NON, UH, BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
Y'ALL HANDLE THE REST OF Y'ALL'S OWN SUBCOMMITTEES AND REPORT BACK.
BUT THAT JUST GOES AGAINST WHAT AMIN JUST SAID.
AMIN SAID THAT WE SHOULD TAKE THE APPLICATIONS, LOOK AT THE APPLICATIONS, THE SUBCOMMITTEE SHOULD DECIDE IF THEY'RE QUALIFIED OR NOT QUALIFIED.
BUT NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WHERE THE BOARD HAS TO DECIDE IF, ARE THEY HAVING IT, ARE THEY ACCEPTING APPLICATION? WHO'S GONNA REVIEW IT? I, I JUST THINK, OKAY, YOU JUST MADE IT WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.
THIS IS, I MEAN, THOMAS, I, I AGREE WITH MARK.
UM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE THE ONE WHO GONNA REVIEW THAT SPECIFIC CODE AND THEY WILL DEAL WITH THE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS AS WELL.
SO THEY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVIEW THE APPLICANTS AND DECIDE WHO GONNA BE ON IT.
THE FULL BOARD SHOULD NOT TELL US UPFRONT OR TELL THE SUBCOMMITTEE UPFRONT.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON OR TWO OR THREE OR WHATEVER THE AMOUNT IS AND WHO THEY'RE GONNA BE.
IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, REVIEW PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, THE SUBCOMMITTEE SHOULD BE DOING THAT.
SO CAN I JUST DISTILL THIS DOWN SO THAT WE CAN, I THINK MOVE ON.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUBCOMMITTEES ARE CONSISTING OF BOARD MEMBERS, BOTH PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE CAN BE VOTING MEMBERS ON A SUBCOMMITTEE, MINIMUM OF FOUR, MAXIMUM OF SEVEN.
PEOPLE THAT AREN'T ON THIS BOARD CAN SERVE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, WHO WILL ACCEPT APPLICATIONS.
THAT NUMBER OF VOTING MEMBERS HAS TO BE ONE LESS THAN NU THE NUMBER OF ALTERNATE PRIMARIES THAT ARE ON THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THIS BOARD OR THAT ARE ON THE COMMITTEE FROM THIS BOARD VOTING, NOT JUST PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE.
IT'S GOTTA BE VOTING WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SAME THING.
YEAH, IT'S MORE JUST THE QUESTION WAS DOES THE BOARD HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD AND SUBCOMMITTEE, SUBC SUBCOMMITTEE AND SO, AND IF THEY GET LESS, THEN THE, THEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAXIMUM OF ONE LESS THEN, THEN THAT'S FEWER.
YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CHAIR, SAY, HEY, I REALLY THINK YOU OUGHT TO LET THIS GUY IN OR GAL IN BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE MAKE ALL OF OUR LIVES A LITTLE EASIER OR NOT, OR WHATEVER THAT DECISION IS.
I, I THINK WE'RE, ARE WE ALL KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE ON THAT? DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION OR NO, NO.
I MEAN, AS LONG AS Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE A DEBATE.
I WAS JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT IT'S EITHER BOARD IT'S, OR RIGHT NOW I CAN REMOVE BOARD AND JUST SAY, UM, THE, THE APPOINTEES THAT ARE NOT APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL SHALL BE APPOINTED BY, INSTEAD OF EITHER THE FULL BOARD OR THE SUBCOMMITTEE JUST BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND DONE, THIS IS, UH, JOSEPH HARNEY C ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ONE, ONE THING, JUST ON, ON MIKE ON YOUR COMMENT, THE PRIMARY ALTERNATE DESIGNATION, UM, CAN'T CHANGE ON, ON SUBCOMMITTEE IF IT'S THE SAME RULES UP UP HERE AS IT IS SUBCOMMITTEE.
PREVIOUSLY CLERK'S OFFICE, EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, NO, PRIMARY IS PRIMARY ALTERNATES ALTERNATE.
IF THEY'RE ON THE SAME COMMITTEE, ONLY THE, THE PRIMARY SUBCOMMITTEE, ONLY THE PRIMARY CAN VOTE.
UM, SO THAT PART OF IT WOULD, WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
BRIAN SMITH, YOU EXPLAIN, JUST A QUICK EXPLAIN HAS TO BE, SO WHAT IF A SECONDARY THAT ISN'T YOUR SECONDARY, IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S SECONDARY THAT'S THERE, DO THEY THEN BECOME A PRIMARY THEN THEY CAN, YEAH.
IF, IF THE SECONDARY IS THERE AND THE PRIMARY ISN'T, THEN THE SECONDARY HAS THE VOTING RIGHTS.
SO LET ME, LET ME, THIS IS MY CROSSING AGAIN, JUST TO, SO I UNDERSTAND.
BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE COULD APPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HOWEVER MANY, LIKE, LET'S SAY, 11 PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD AND 11 ALTERNATES.
17, 7, 17 IF I WAS FULLY STAFFED.
SO THE, UH, SO MARK AND I ARE, YOU KNOW, MARK AND I ARE PRIMARY IN ALTERNATE IF WE BOTH END UP ON THE SAME COMMITTEE, ON THE SAME SUBCOMMITTEE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THIS BOARD, WE CAN'T BOTH BE VOTING MEMBERS.
WHAT IF, WHAT IF MARK WAS THE CHAIR OF THAT AND I APPLIED AS THE NON APPOINTED MEMBER? COULD I THEN BE A VOTING MEMBER? I MEAN, I, I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
BUT THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE DIRECTION FROM ABOVE WAS THAT IT WAS NEEDED TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH HOW THIS BOARD OPERATES.
I JUST, I NOW, THE, THE, MY LAST COMMENT ON THAT, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY, LET'S FORGET ENERGY AND SIGN AND EVERYTHING.
LET'S GO TECHNICAL, LIKE THE MECHANICAL OR PLUMBING CODE.
PERSONALLY, I, I WOULD FEEL MUCH BETTER ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE, ALL THE PLUMBERS ON THIS BOARD ABLE TO VOTE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE THEY'RE THE KNOWLEDGEABLE EXPERTS ON IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN YEAH.
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A LOOK AT IT.AND THEN, BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, IF MIKE AND I VOTE ON THE SAME COMMITTEE OR I APPLY FOR ONE OF THE POSITIONS FOR THE NON-BOARD MEMBER POSITIONS AND GET TO VOTE AND, AND GET SELECTED, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MADE A DIFFERENCE WHEN THERE WERE EVERYBODY WHO WAS APPOINTED NOT ON THE BOARD, COULDN'T VOTE.
BUT ONCE YOU PUT CITIZENS ON THE DEAL, ONE OF US COULD APPLY, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT POSITION, IT WOULD GET TO VOTE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
SO I WOULD RUN THAT UP THE FLAG POLE BECAUSE I JUST, IT ALL COMES BACK TO THE BOARD TO MAKE DECISIONS OF WHICH THOSE RULES THEN WOULD APPLY.
BUT AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD'VE BEEN.
THE, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD CAUTION IS THE OPTICS.
BECAUSE IF IT LOOKS LIKE THEN THAT THE BOARD IS STACKING THE SUBCOMMITTEE, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S APPOINTED BY THE BOARD AND THEN COMES IN AS A NON APPOINTED MEMBER, BUT IS AN ALTERNATE ON THE BOARD, IT, I THINK THE OPTICS YEAH, NO, I, I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE DO THAT.
BUT WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS OF A COMMITTEE AND TWO OF THEM, ONE IS AN ALTERED IN AND ONE IS A IS THE PRIMARY, AND THEY ALL GET TO VOTE IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, THAT WAS MY POINT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO CAUTION, CAUTION ON THE OPTICS OF THAT.
I, I AGREE WITH MIKE, THAT WHEN YOU'VE GOT SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT RESIDE ON THE BOARD TO PUT BOTH THE PRIMARY AND THE ALTERNATE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE SO THAT THEY CAN DO THEIR JOB AND DO IT WELL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY, THAT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD AND RIGHT THING TO DO.
I, I WAS THAT CLARIFIED, SORRY.
UH, SO LEGALLY, AGAIN, AS JOSEPH SAID, THE MINUTE YOU'RE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL TO BE ON THIS BOARD AS EITHER PRIMARY OR ALTERNATE, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE APPOINTED FOR YOU.
WE CANNOT HAVE PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE VOTE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
SUBCOMMITTEE FULL BOARD DOESN'T MATTER.
YOU CANNOT HAVE TWO VOTES FROM ALTERNATE AND, AND, AND PRIMARY AT THE SAME TIME PERIOD.
NOW, TO MARK'S QUESTION, IF HE, IF, IF MIKE IS ON ALREADY A SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN MARK APPLIES FOR NONE APPOINTED, UH, MEMBER, YOU CANNOT SELECT HIM BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY APPOINTED BY COUNCIL ON THIS BOARD AS AN ALTERNATE.
SO YOU CANNOT SELECT HIM AS NON APPOINTED PERSON.
HE'S ALREADY ON THE BOARD PERIOD.
WELL, I, HOWEVER, I MEAN, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO DISAGREE IS THAT IF THE COUNCIL SAYS IT'S OKAY FOR PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE TO SERVE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE AND VOTE, THEN IT'S LEGAL BECAUSE THE COUNCIL PASSED IT IN AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IT'S OKAY.
AND SO IF YOU PUT IT INTO THE ORDINANCE IN THE NEW LANGUAGE SAYING PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE CAN SERVE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE, AND, AND BOTH CAN VOTE IT'S LEGAL.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE COUNCIL IS THE ONE THAT SETS THE RULES AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.
SO YEAH, AGAIN, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
THE, THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT, AND I'LL VERIFY, BUT CHAPTER TWO OF OUR CITY CODE, IF, IF THAT WERE TO, THAT MIGHT NEED SOME AMENDING AMENDING ALSO.
SO THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROCESS TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, AFFECT THAT.
BUT WE'LL, WE WILL CHECK ON IT.
SO THAT'S ONE I WAS TRYING TO GET THE CLARIFICATION ON IS IF FOR MECHANICAL, UH, UH, OR PLUMBING, LET'S SAY FOR PLUMBING, WE PUT FOUR, IT'S GONNA BE THE PLUMBING, UH, MAIN, THE PLUMBING, ALTERNATE MECHANICAL MAIN, YOU KNOW, ME AND THEN MY ALTERNATE.
THAT KIND, THAT WOULD BE FOUR BOARD MEMBERS ON THERE.
AND IN THEORY, THERE'D ONLY BE TWO VOTING MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE ON THAT, ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
WELL, YOU WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T BOTH BE ON THE BOARD OR THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
THOSE YOU COULD HAVE 'EM, THERE'S AN ALTERNATE.
SO THE SUBCOMMITTEE COULD HAVE ALTERNATES.
THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE HAD THAT, IT'S FOR VOTING, CORRECT.
IS THE NUMBER WE WERE COUNTING.
THEY CAN, AND WE HAVE IT IN THE LANGUAGE THEY CAN ATTEND, THEY CAN BE PART OF THAT PROCESS.
THEY CAN, AND THEY CAN ALSO BE AN ALTERNATE.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA BE, IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO MAKE PRIMARY ALTERNATES VOTING MEMBERS ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE MOVING FORWARD, I'M JUST GONNA SAY WHOEVER YOU PUT ON THAT BOARD, THERE'S, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SAY THEIR ALTERNATE ON THIS BOARD IS, OR THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THEN THEIR ALTERNATE ON THIS BOARD IS AN ALTERNATE ON MY SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO I CAN AT LEAST TRY TO GET THEM TO COME THERE IF SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, THEY GONNA HAVE TO BE THE PRIMARY.
THAT BEING ALSO SAID, THE PRIMARY OR THE ALTERNATE CAN BE THE PRIMARY ON MY SUBCOMMITTEE IF AS LONG AS THE PRIMARY'S NOT THERE.
SO CASE IN POINT, WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD, I WAS THE FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER ALTERNATE, BUT, UM, WILLIAM BURRIS WAS NOT AVAILABLE MUCH AT THAT TIME.
SO WHEN WE UPDATED, I WAS THE ONE THAT ATTENDED ALL THOSE MEETINGS.
NOW, IF HE CAME IN, HE WOULD BE THE ONE THAT VOTE, BUT IT WAS JUST LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S HERE.
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KNOW, MIGHT SHOW UP AND JUST KIND OF BE THERE, BUT I'M NOT OFFICIALLY GOING TO EVER MAKE THAT VOTE.WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.
SO IF, IF THE ALTERNATE ON THIS BOARD IS LIKE, HEY, I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE FREE THIS MONTH AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE SIX OR SEVEN MEETINGS, LET ME BE THE ONE THAT SHOWS UP AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YEAH, WE CAN FINALIZE AROUND THAT IF IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE TOO HARD FOR US TO TRY TO JUST BECAUSE OF THIS BOARD, HOW IT MAKES MORE SENSE.
THERE'S MULTIPLE BOARDS ACROSS THE CITY, AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CHANGE ALL THE LEGAL LANGUAGE, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL HAVE ISSUES WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE IT.
AND IT, IT, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AT LEAST FOUR, PREFERABLY FIVE PRIMARY VOTING PEOPLE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ALTERNATES BEHIND IT, AND THEN IT'LL BE THE OTHER, UH, PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, BUT IT'LL ALWAYS BE VOTING MEMBERS.
AND THEN, UM, SO, BUT WE WILL TAKE THAT, IT SEEMS TO BE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS BOARD.
IF WE CAN FIND MEASUREMENT OR MEASURES TO ALLOW PRIMARY AND ALTERNATIVES TO BE ON THE SAME AS VOTING MEMBERS OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, THEN THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE THAT TO THE COUNCIL AND ADMIN CHAPTER 10 ACCORDING TO THAT.
BUT JACK, I MORE, JUST A QUICK CAVEAT TO THAT.
I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS, LET'S SAY I GET ON WITH RON WHEN I, WHEN THEY NEED MORE SOMEBODY IN THE ELECTRICAL.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
AND IF HE, IF WE HAVE ANOTHER NON-VOTING MEMBER THAT IS AN ELECTRICIAN THAT'S THERE DISCUSSING, BUT HE CAN'T VOTE, I'M GONNA BE LISTENING TO HIM REAL STRONG.
YOU KNOW, MY POSITION ON THIS BOARD, 99% OF WHAT ALL Y'ALL SAY IS SWAHILI TO ME.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I DO EVERY MEETING ESSENTIALLY.
SO YEAH, SO I, I GUESS, UM, THE POINT WOULD BE THE, IF THE PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE CAN'T BE ON THE SAME BOARD AND VOTE, DO, DOES THE PLUM, I'M JUST GONNA POINT AT YOU LIKE, DOES THE PLUMBING PRIMARY ON THE PLUMBING SUBCOMMITTEE, ARE WE ASSIGNING HIM OR ARE WE SIGNING HIS POSITION SO THAT IF HE'S NOT THERE, HIS ALTERNATE CAN SHOW UP? AND I MEAN, TECHNICALLY WE ASSIGN THAT INDIVIDUAL, 'CAUSE WE CAN, WE, WE, WHEN WE VOTE, WE WOULD SAY PRIMARY FOR THIS BOARDS ARE THESE PEOPLE.
AND WE WOULD JUST PUT THE PRIMARIES, UH, FOR THOSE POSITIONS AND THEN AUTOMATICALLY JUST SAY, SAY, HEY, THE ALTERNATE'S ON THERE.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, IT JUST GIVES ME THE FLEXIBILITY SO THAT WHEN I'M AT THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M ONE SHORT AND I CAN REACH OUT, YOU KNOW, SPENCER'S NOT AVAILABLE, I CAN REACH OUT TO GEORGE AND BE LIKE, GEORGE, CAN YOU SHOW UP? HE CAN SHOW UP TO ALL THE MEETINGS AND BE PART OF IT AND BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND HELP OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT AREN'T THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND BE LIKE, HEY, OKAY, I SEE TWO OF MY PLUMBERS SAYING YES TO THIS.
THAT MEANS MAYBE, YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
SO SPENCER'S APPOINTED BY THIS, OR YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA ASSUME THAT SPENCER'S APPOINTED BY THIS BOARD TO BE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE PLUMBING CODE.
UM, HIS ALTERNATE IS AUTOMATICALLY ALSO BASICALLY A SIGN OF THAT.
I MEAN, WE NEED TO OFFICIALLY VOTE HIM ON, BUT WE WOULD JUST DO THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME.
BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC, BUT IT IS.
WE WOULD JUST, JEREMY, MAKE IT HAPPEN.
BUT THE WAY IT WORKED LAST TIME, BECAUSE MIKE AND I SERVED ON A COUPLE OF COMMITTEES TOGETHER, IS SOME OF THEM, EVEN THOUGH I WAS THE ALTERNATE, I WAS THE PRIMARY ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE THE LANGUAGE THAT THE BOARD PICKS A PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE AND IT, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S THE BOARD PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE.
THAT WAS WHAT JOSEPH'S SAYING TODAY IS OF WE, I WOULDN'T SAY WE FOLLOWED THAT 100%.
SO WE NEED TO, WHETHER IN THE PAST WE'D KINDA SAID, HEY, THE ALTERNATE ON THE BOARD IS THE PRIMARY AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, HEY, HE, EVEN IF THE ALTERNATE'S THERE, THAT ALTERNATE OR, SO MIKE, THE PRIMARY THAT IS CORRECT JEREMY.
SO WE CAN SET THE, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THE FULL BOARD CREATES THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
THE SUBCOMMITTEE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ALL PRIMARIES.
IT CAN BE THE ALTERNATES ARE THE PRIMARIES ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
BUT THEN THAT PERSON'S ALTERNATE AND THEN THE PRIMARY ON THE BOARD CAN BE THEIR ALTERNATE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID SAY FOR THE SIGN CODE.
SO BOTH OF Y'ALL WERE PART OF THAT, BUT THE VOTING MEMBER OR VOTING WAS WITH MARK EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I'M, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE SURE MY LANGUAGE AND I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY BECAUSE IT SAYS ON, I THINK THIS IS THE LEGAL CHANGE, IS THAT THE NUMBER OF APPOINTEES TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT ARE NOT APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL BE LIMITED TO ONE LESS THAN NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS.
WE DON'T DE DE DELINEATE PRIMARY OR ALTERNATE.
SO THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION WAS IS IF WE END UP WITH PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL, THAT'S FOUR BOARD MEMBERS.
IN THEORY, WE COULD HAVE THREE NON-BOARD MEMBERS APPOINTED TO THAT COMMITTEE.
AND SINCE ONLY TWO CAN VOTE, WE CAN BE OVER OUTVOTED.
SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION OF AIMING THAT IS IT'S GOTTA BE VOTING MEMBERS.
THAT'S WHERE I'M BOARD MEMBERS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M AIMING THAT FOR.
BUT AGREED, I THINK THAT'S THE CONSENSUS THAT IT'S, WE MIGHT TECHNICALLY ON A FOUR BOARD MEMBER SUBCOMMITTEE HAVE EIGHT MEMBERS ASSIGNED TO IT, FOUR PRIMARIES FOR ALTERNATES, BUT ONLY FOUR VOTING AT ANY ONE TIME.
SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IS CLARIFIED IN THE LANGUAGE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD ONLY ALLOW THREE
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NON-BOARD MEMBERS NON CORRECT.UH, SO I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF THE PRIMARY ALTERNATE.
SO IT WHAT YOU NEED TO DO JUST IN SOME ONE OF THE LANGUAGES, YOU JUST NEED TO PUT A MINIMUM OF FOUR VOTING AND A MAX OF SEVEN VOTING.
WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE.
UH, AND I WOULD TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM USING PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE BECAUSE THAT DENOTES SOMETHING AT THE BOARD LEVEL THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
OKAY, BECAUSE JUST TO THROW ANOTHER WILD CARD ON THIS IS IF WE VOTE SOMEBODY ONTO A SUBCOMMITTEE LATER, I MEAN, IN THEORY SOMEBODY COULD POTENTIALLY CHALLENGE AND GO, OH, YOU JUST WENT FROM FOUR TO FIVE FOR BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE NOW ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO DO WE GO BACK AND REOPEN AND ALLOW THE, THE NON-BOARD MEMBERS TO GO FROM THREE TO FOUR? I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT'S ALL COMPLETELY UP TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEY CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AT THAT TIME.
YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN ADD MORE MEMBERS TO ITSELF ONCE Y'ALL HAVE GOTTEN THE MINIMUM FOUR, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUR FIRST MEETING, WE GOT, YOU KNOW, LET'S ADD ONE MORE.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, FOUR TO ME IS CHALLENGING.
'CAUSE I, I NEED THREE OF THOSE FOUR WITHOUT THE NON APPOINTED.
BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST I SAID I NEED FIVE 'CAUSE I NEED THREE OUTTA FIVE OR THREE OUTTA FOUR.
IT'S A LOT EASIER TO GET QUORUM.
SO I THINK THAT GETS US THROUGH THE FIRST FOUR.
UM, SO NEXT ONE IS TO ADD APPROVAL TO WAIVE CITY RESIDENT REQUIREMENTS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, OUR CURRENT LANGUAGE IS SAYING THAT TO BE A NON APPOINTED MEMBER TO THE BOARD OR TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, WHEN THEY'RE REVIEWING THE APPLICANT'S CITIZEN OR RESIDENT RESIDENT.
UM, SO YOU HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND IT'S UP TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, ANY, ANY OBJECTION TO US HAVING THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THAT, BUT THE DEFAULT BEING A CITIZEN, I'M SORRY, A RESIDENT.
SO I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, QUORUM IS A MAJORITY OF ALL BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES AND APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS AND NON APPOINTED MEMBERS ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO VOTING MEMBERS, SO VOTING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND NON APPOINTED MEMBERS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, IF WE HAD FOUR PRIMARY FOUR ALTERNATE FROM THIS BOARD, THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF FOUR THREE FROM THE NON APPOINTED.
YEAH, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE FOUR.
WELL NO, IT WOULD BE FOUR PRI IT WOULD BE FOUR PRIMARIES FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND FOUR ALTERNATES.
THE ALTERNATE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE YOUR ALTERNATE HERE EITHER.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE GREG COULD BE EDWARD'S PRI OR ALTERNATE ON THE ELECTRICAL IF YOU WANT IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THAT I HAVE THAT, UM, APPROVE INTERVIEW PROCESS, UM, THAT I JUST HAD THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE, WHAT THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.
YOU KNOW, OUTREACH TO SOLICIT QUALIFIED, DIVERSE CANDIDATES TO SERVE AS A NON APPOINTED MEMBER WILL BE COMPLETED.
THE APPLICATION PROCESS SHALL BE OPEN FOR AT LEAST TWO WEEKS WITH AN ADDITIONAL TIME BEING SPECIFIED BY THE BOARD.
ONCE THE APPLICATION PROCESS HAS BEEN CLOSED, BOARD MEMBERS WILL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS FOR UPDATES.
DID WE DECIDE AS PART OF THAT APPLICATION PROCESS, THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE SAME KIND OF FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES THAT WE ALL GO THROUGH? IT MAY NOT BE PUBLICLY DISCLOSED.
SO, UH, PC TECH IS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT COMMITTEE THAT WE CREATE FROM, UH, A FEW OTHER BOARDS, BUT MOSTLY OUR, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ACTUAL BOARD, BUT THE UDC, UH, AMENDMENTS.
AND ROBERT HANLEY, WHO WAS HERE LAST, UH, LAST MEETING WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT.
AND WE ASKED, WELL, DO THEY GO THROUGH THAT? AND HIS, HIS INTERPRETATION WAS YES, THEY DID, BUT NOT, NOT ALL OF 'EM IS REQUIRED TO.
SO REALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THAT THAT SUB, THAT SUBCOMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF DIFFERENT BOARDS.
SO THEY REQUIRE TO GRAB TWO MEMBERS FROM OTHER VARIOUS BOARDS TO CREATE THIS, UH, COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWS THE UDC AMENDMENTS.
BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE NON-BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE PART OF THE PC TAC AS WELL.
UH, AND THOSE DO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FDR, UH, FINANCIAL CLOSURE REPORT ARE THE, UH, EXEC, UH, ETHICS TRAINING.
UM, AND I THINK JOSEPH, YOU, WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT AS WELL AS THE REQUIREMENT OF WHETHER WE COULD REQUIRE THE NON APPOINTED TO GO THROUGH THE FDR REQUIREMENTS.
YEAH, THEY, THEY CAN'T, MY MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT ONCE THEY BECAME VOTING MEMBERS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, BUT, UM, UM, GETTING SOME INFORMATION ON, ON LIKE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR PROCESS, BUT UM, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
SO THEY ARE GONNA BECOME VOTING MEMBERS.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GETTING TO IS, IS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING WHO IT IS.
THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE VOTING MEMBERS, WHICH MEANS THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING, MY RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD ALSO RECOMMEND, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE'S BACKGROUNDS ARE.
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THEY MAY HAVE BE ABLE TO RECEIVE CONTRACTS FROM THE CITY.THEY MAY BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SINCE THEY BECAME A VOTING MEMBER, WE'RE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT WALKING QUORUMS. THEY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT STUFF TOO.
BUT SO I MEAN, I COULD UNDERSTAND GOING THROUGH SOME KIND OF QUICK, YOU KNOW, ETHICS TRAINING AND WHAT THE RULES ARE FOR THAT.
BUT IT'S ALL ONE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT EXPERTS ON THE PANEL AND THE REAL DECISION MAKING HAPPENS AT THIS LEVEL, AND THE REASON WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES AND NO CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY IS NOT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE BUILDING CODE.
IT'S BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE CAN OVERRULE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL BUILDING OFFICIAL.
SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT POWER TO OVERRULE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME KIND OF, WE WOULD HAVE DISCLOSURE, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE PROHIBITED FROM CITY CONTRACTS.
AND, AND SO I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW GETTING PEOPLE ON, BECAUSE THAT FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, DOES THAT HAVE IT TO HAPPEN BEFORE THEY APPLY? DOES IT, YOU KNOW, I I MEAN THAT PROCESS IS LENGTHY AND TO GET EXPERTS ON IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY JUST BECOME A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTER.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL THIS FLIP IS THEY CAN STILL GIVE US THE SAME INFORMATION.
IT'S JUST THEY CAN'T VOTE IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO GO THROUGH.
BUT HE WAS SAYING IF YOU COULD BECOME A VOTING MEMBER, CITY ATTORNEY SAID YEAH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SAY IF MARK NO, I'M JUST ASKING.
WELL, I MEAN MEMBER, BUT REVIEWING PCT, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT.
WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN THE PCT PEOPLE, THEY DON'T ALL DO FINANCIAL DISCIPLINE.
TO BE ON THAT, ON THE PC TECH.
I MEAN THE, THERE'S BOARD MEMBERS ON THE PC TECH OF OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
THEY HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE OF THEIR PLACEMENT ON BOARDS OF COMMISSION.
NO, BUT THE ONES THAT WERE APPOINTED ONTO PC TECH THAT ARE NOT, THEN YES, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO, UM, THE FDR.
NOW Y'ALL CAN ASK US TO MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT AND WE CAN CHECK TO SEE IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING I GET WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO SEE IF THEY CAN EVEN YEAH, CORRECT.
I THINK WE MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT.
I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THE WALKING QUORUM IS THE ONE THAT SEEMS TO GET EVERYBODY IN TROUBLE QUITE OFTEN OR REPLYING TO EMAILS THAT THEY NEED TO BE.
AT LEAST WE MAYBE WE, IF IF IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY LAW, IF WE WANT TO MAYBE, SO THAT WOULD BE ETHICS SOMETHING FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE.
BUT SOME OF THE ETHICS SIDE OF THINGS AND SOME OF THAT OTHER STUFF, I STILL, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ONLINE.
I I, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S AN EASY ONE.
IF Y'ALL SAY, HEY, WHOEVER'S GONNA BE A NON APPOINTED MEMBER THAT VOTES ON ANY OF THESE SUBCOMMITTEES, THEY NEED TO SIT THROUGH THE SAME REQUIRED, UH, TRAINING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ETHICS, BUT IT'S ALSO JUST ROBERT'S LAW, YOU KNOW, KIND OF APPROACH TO HOW WE HANDLE, UH, THESE, THESE CITY MATTERS AND THESE BOARD MEETINGS AND THESE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE CAN SET THAT UP TO SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO WATCH ALL THESE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I WOULD PROBABLY DO IT LIKE, HEY, COME HERE FOR A DAY.
EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO BE PART OF THAT, YOU'RE GONNA SIT DOWN, YOU'RE GONNA WATCH ALL THAT.
IF YOU GET APPOINTED ONTO A BOARD OR A SUBCOMMITTEE, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE YOU SIT DOWN AND BEFORE YOUR FIRST MEETING AND GO THROUGH THIS AND WE'LL, YEAH.
I THINK THAT THE ETHICS RULES AND WHAT THE RULES OF GOVERNING THE COMMITTEE, I THINK IT'S FINE.
BUT TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH THAT FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE PROCESS IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO, IS JUST, IT'S WHAT, IT TOOK ME TWO AND A HALF HOURS TO FILL THAT THING OUT.
BECAUSE, SO YOU NEED TO DELEGATE THAT DOWN TO SOMEBODY IN YOUR STAFF
AND I MEAN, YEAH, I, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE INTERVIEW PROCESS IS Y'ALL CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO ARE YOU HERE SUPPORTING? YOU KNOW, WHAT ORGANIZATION ARE YOU ON BEHALF OF? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT BENEFITS OR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS NOW WHETHER YOU KNOW, THEY CAN TELL YOU OR NOT.
I'M I, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO LEGAL AND STUFF.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS OF KIND OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHO ARE YOU HERE REPRESENTING? YOU KNOW, WHAT ORGANIZATION, WHAT COMMITTEES OR, UH, COMMUNITY GROUPS, UM, THINGS SUCH AS THAT.
SO THAT, THAT I THINK WOULD HELP, 'CAUSE I WON'T LIE THAT YEAH, TRYING TO DO THE FDR, IT WOULD SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD ALREADY TAKE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A MONTH BEFORE OUR FIRST, YOU KNOW, SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA START THE REVIEWING AND DO SUBCOMMITTEES TO ACTUALLY HAVING THE FIRST ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD ADD ANOTHER COUPLE WEEKS OR YEAH.
WE COULD DO THE ETHICS AND BRIAN ETH, UH, BRIAN SMITH ETHICS AND, UM, ROBERT'S RULE.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THEY SHOULD GO THROUGH THE SAME VIDEO PROCESS.
I THINK IN THE APPLICATION, RATHER THAN DOING A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, YOU CAN ASK SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I HAD TO SPEND A HALF AN HOUR ON THE PHONE WITH THE CITY CLERK SEVERAL TIMES TO GET CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT THE PERCENTAGES MEANT.
I MEAN, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE DIVERSE OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN A BUNCH OF STUFF, IT'S HARD.
BRIAN SMITH, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
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SO, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THE FDR VERSUS, UH, THE, I WOULD, I DON'T WANT TO, MAYBE ETHICS ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD, BUT THERE IS THE, UH, REQUIRED TRAINING FOR BOARD MEMBERS THROUGH CITY CLERK'S OFFICE VIDEOS.WE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO, TO SIT AND WATCH THOSE BEFORE THEY, UM, THEIR FIRST SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
AND WE CAN A STAFF HANDLE THAT LOGISTICAL PROCESS AND MAKING SURE THEY HANDLE IT, WHETHER THEY DO IT HERE AND WE WA WITNESS IT OR ALLOW THEM TO WATCH IT ONLINE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE US THE CERTIFICATES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UH, STAFF HANDLE THAT PART.
UM, THAT, WITH THAT AGENDA, THE NEXT, NEXT ONE, YEAH.
SO ADD BYLAWS ARE, SO THIS IS SOMETHING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEGAL COPY, UH, THAT HAS THE YELLOW ASTERISK ON THE BACK.
SO REALLY, AND THIS IS WHAT PC T DOES, AND THERE'S A LOT OF LOGIC TO THIS.
REALLY, IT'S MOVING A LOT OF THIS OUTTA CHAPTER 10 AND MOVING IT TO BYLAWS THAT THIS BOARD HAS.
SO, UM, THERE ARE BYLAWS FOR PC T THE FORMATION OF PC T THROUGH WHATEVER, I CAN'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE, THE BOARD OR COMMISSION THAT OVERSEES THAT, BUT THEY CREATE THEIR OWN BYLAWS AND THEN THEY CAN AMEND THOSE BYLAWS AT THIS LEVEL.
SO EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, CHANGING CHAPTER 10, I HAVE TO GET Y'ALL'S APPROVAL, GO TO PCDC, GET THEIR APPROVAL, TAKE THAT TO FULL COUNSEL, AND ULTIMATELY HAVE THEM APPROVE IT BEFORE ANY OF THIS GOES INTO EFFECT.
IF WE CHANGE A LOT OF THIS AND MOVE IT INTO BYLAWS, THEN WE CAN MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES AT THIS LEVEL.
SO ALL THESE THINGS, A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, 90% OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, WE COULD SAY, HEY, WHATEVER Y'ALL DECIDE, YOU VOTE ON IT RIGHT NOW, WE AMEND THE BYLAWS AND IT'S, IT'S DONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UH, BUT UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE CREATE THE BYLAWS OR THE APPROVAL PROCESS OF THE BYLAWS THROUGH COUNCIL, UH, WE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
EVERYTHING HAS TO GO THROUGH COUNCIL.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION, I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO LOOK INTO DOING THE BYLAWS, MOVING ALONG WITH THAT LANGUAGE TO A BYLAW, AND THEN WE CAN AMEND IT.
SO THE GOOD THING WITH THAT IS, HEY, WE'LL GO THROUGH OUR FIRST COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, SUBCOMMITTEE PROCESS AND SEE WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T WORK, AND WHAT CHANGES Y'ALL WANNA MAKE.
AND THEN WE CAN IMMEDIATELY MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO THIS LEVEL.
SO, UH, THIS IS JUDGE FARNEY SAID HE TURNS OFFICE.
SO SPECIFICALLY WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PROCEDURES FOR, FOR SELECTING, UM, THE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS THAT, THAT WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING IN CHAPTER 10 OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE AMENDED THROUGH, THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, UM, PROCESS.
BUT THAT THE, THE ONE SECTION, UM, AND JEREMY, DO YOU HAVE THAT, THE COPY THAT I SENT? YEAH, THEY, THEY ALL HAVE THAT.
SO I LIKE JOSEPH, THIS MARK, I LIKE JOSEPH'S LANGUAGE BETTER BECAUSE THAT WAY WE CAN SEE HOW IT WORKS WITHOUT HAVING, AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE CAN CHANGE IT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO COUNCIL.
THAT'S OTHER BOARDS, UM, AND COMMITTEES THAT HAVE THE, THEY, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, BYLAWS SET WHEN, AND SO SOME PROCEDURAL STUFF AT, AT CHARLES LEVEL, UM, IS BETTER ADDRESSED THROUGH, THROUGH BYLAWS AS OPPOSED TO IN THE CODE, WHICH IS A LONGER ORDEAL ANYTIME YOU WANNA MAKE A CHANGE.
SO EVERYBODY LIKES THE, UH, THE BYLAWS.
SO, UM, KEEP EVERYTHING UNDER CHAPTER 10.
SO THAT, SO, SO THAT, SO WE'RE BASICALLY GONNA USE JOSEPH'S LANGUAGE OTHER THAN CHANGING WHERE IT SAYS THE FULL BOARD OR SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO THE APPOINTMENT.
WE DECIDED THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT BASICALLY ADOPT HIS LANGUAGE.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE DISCUSSED WILL BE IN, IN A SET OF BYLAWS THAT WE CAN APPROVE GOING FORWARD.
YEAH, I DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
SO THE JEREMY'S, UH, OR THE, THE EXISTING LANGUAGE THAT JEREMY HAD AND, UM, I JUST DROPPED IT DOWN AND, AND HEADED IT OR PUT IT UNDER THE BYLAWS SECTION.
SO, UH, OTHER THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOME LITTLE DOTS THERE, IT'S, IT'S ALL THE SAME STUFF.
DO WE NEED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL TO HAVE BYLAWS? I MEAN, DOES, SO WHAT'S THE, CAN WE JUST DECIDE WE'RE GONNA BYLAWS AND THEN GO BYLAWS ARE, ARE, ARE AT YOUR LEVEL.
UM, YOU, THIS BOARD ALREADY HAS SOME EXISTING RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WERE ADOPTED BACK IN 2012.
AND SO THESE WOULD BASICALLY JUST BE, UH, FALL UNDER THAT.
SO THAT THE, SO THAT THESE CHANGES WE JUST MADE WON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE, TO, TO THE COUNCIL.
UM, ONLY THE LANGUAGE, JUST, JUST THE, THE SELECTION LANGUAGE THAT'S, THAT'S CATEGORIZED UNDER BYLAWS.
EVERYTHING ELSE STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL.
SO CREATING SUBCOMMITTEES INSTEAD OF COMMITTEES, UH, ADDING THE SIGN CODE REQUIREMENT, THE NUMBER, MAKING THEM VOTING VERSUS NON-VOTING, UH, SETTING THE NUMBERS, ALL OF THAT STILL HAS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL EACH TIME.
BUT REALLY JUST THE SELECTION PROCESS SAYING, HEY, WE'LL PUT IT OUT FOR TWO WEEKS.
UM, I THINK IN THE BYLAWS, WE CAN PROBABLY ADD IN THERE THAT ANYBODY THAT'S APPOINTED NEEDS TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I CAN FIND THE TERMINOLOGY THAT THE CLERKS USE THIS AND PUT THAT INTO THE BYLAWS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF IT'S LEGAL AND WE REALLY PUSH THE FDR, I THINK WE COULD ADD THE FDR AT THAT LEVEL, UM, IF WE DECIDE IN THE FUTURE TO DO THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, SO IF WE, LOOKING AT IT AT WHAT I SUBMITTED, UH, AND WHAT JOSEPH SUBMITTED, THE ONLY CHANGES WE REALLY MADE WERE, WE WANNA CLARIFY, IT'S NOT A CHANGE, BUT IT'S A CLARIFICATION.
SO I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THAT ON OUR END OF JUST, BUT IT'S MAKING SURE THAT THE QUORUM NUMBER OF BOARD
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MEMBERS BETWEEN PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE IS VOTING MEMBERS.SO IF WE HAVE FOUR VOTING MEMBERS ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, COULD BE A TOTAL OF EIGHT BOARD MEMBERS ARE PART OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AS PRIMARY AND OR AS AN ALTERNATE.
BUT WE HAVE FOUR VOTING, THAT'S THE NUMBER WE'RE USING FOR REFERENCE OF HOW MANY SUBCOMMITTEE OR NON APPOINTED MEMBERS CAN BE ON THERE.
AND THEN THE NUMBER I CURRENTLY HAVE IS ONE LESS.
WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT TO THE LESSER OF ONE, LESS R FOUR.
SO THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE FOUR, EVEN IF WE HAD FOUR OR SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS FROM THE BOARD ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS IN MY LANGUAGE, SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ON THAT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
UH, JOSEPH, HOW SHOULD WE, WHAT TYPE OF ACTION SHOULD WE TAKE? DO I NEED TO LANGUAGE IT UP OR CAN WE KIND OF JUST MAKE A MOTION OF YOU CAN MAKE A YEAH.
UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE LANGUAGE AS PRESENTED AND, AND, UM, TO FURTHER THE, THE WHAT NEEDS TO GO TO COUNCIL CAN, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SEND ON TO COUNCIL AND THEN, UH, FOR CREATION OF, OF BYLAWS, UM, MAYBE JUST TWO, TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS FOR, FOR THE LANGUAGE TO GO TO COUNCIL AND THEN THE, AND THEN CREATING THE, UH, THIS BYLAW, UM, FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS TO BE ADDED TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR THE BOARD.
YOU CLARIFY LANGUAGE BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE IS CHANGING.
THE LANGUAGE IS CHANGING FROM WHAT WE'VE GOT ON OUR PAPER A LITTLE BIT.
SO DO WE NEED TO, CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS DIRECTIONALLY YOU CAN SET AS PRESENTED? JEREMY, I THINK HE, JEREMY, JUST REITERATE IF EVERYBODY WAS COMFORTABLE WITH JEREMY'S EXPLANATION THERE.
AND IT'S RECORDED AND WE'LL GO BACK AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES.
WE WOULD DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, LIKE A CLERICAL AS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS IS JUST A CLERICAL ITEM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE, UH, WITHOUT COMING BACK TO Y'ALL.
BUT, BUT THE ACTUAL BYLAWS LANGUAGE COULD GET APPROVED AT OUR NEXT MEETING WHEN WE SEE THE ACTUAL DEAL.
IT DOESN'T NEED, WE'RE APPROVING THE BYLAWS IN CONCEPT, I BELIEVE, AND THEY CAN BRING IT BACK, THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE BACK TO US BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A WHILE UNTIL ANY OF THIS IS APPOINTED.
THE BIG CHANGE IS GETTING THE, THE BYLAWS ALLOWED BY COUNSEL AND THE, YOU KNOW, YES.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED.
SO IT ALL WOULD APPROVED AND APPROVE THE LANGUAGE AS, UH, SUMMARIZED BY JEREMY A MINUTE AGO.
SO I HAVE MIKE APPROVING AND OR REC, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE AND RON IS SECONDARY.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE BYLAWS OR NOT? NO.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
DO WE NEED THE MOTION ABOUT LIKE, I MEAN, I MEAN WE CAN, WE WERE GONNA WAIT.
MARK SAID WAIT TILL MARK SAID WAIT TILL THEY GET, I MEAN JOSEPH, THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, RIGHT? WHEN WE NEXT TIME WE MEET WE CAN SAY, HEY, HERE'S THE OFFICIAL BYLAWS.
REALLY, I MEAN, ARE WE ALLOWED TO MAKE BYLAWS AT THIS POINT? IT DOES MAKE SENSE FOR THIS TO GO THROUGH COUNSEL FIRST.
WE'VE SET IT UP TO SAY THAT THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WILL BE HANDLED THROUGH BYLAWS AND THEN WE'LL CREATE THOSE BYLAWS OFFICIALLY ONCE COUNSEL SAID, HEY, YEAH, Y'ALL CAN DO THAT.
THAT MAKES, I MEAN, LOGICAL SENSE.
[ Director's Report ]
REPORT FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES ARE DUE ONE WEEK FROM TODAY.SO IF YOU HAVEN'T COMPLETED 'EM, PLEASE, PLEASE GET ON THAT.
I'M GETTING HARASSED BY CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, BUT I TRY TO GIVE Y'ALL A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER.
I KNOW IT'S, I I I KNOW THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE USUALLY DOING IT THE LAST WEEK ANYWAYS.
I'M THAT, I'M THAT WAY AS WELL.
I THINK WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD,
UH, I WOULD SAY FOR THE, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 12 YEARS, I, I DID IT BEFORE I GOT A, I GOT A HATE MAIL, SO.
I WAS SENDING REMINDERS OUT A LOT LESS.
I WAS LIKE, OH, WOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY LIKE SIX, SIX OF THESE.
I, I ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND ASKED CLERKS, I WAS LIKE, ARE YOU SURE THIS IS, THIS IS IT, THIS IS ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CAN I, LET ME DO THE, I'VE NEVER DONE THE REPORT OF WHO ACTUALLY DID IT TO CONFIRM.
'CAUSE I'M ALWAYS LIKE, OH, THERE'S BOY THAN HALF MY BOARD STILL OUT THERE.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, THE, THE CODE.
SO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, WE ARE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD AT THIS POINT WITH THE 2024 CODES, UM, AND THE 2023 NEC ELECTRICAL CODE.
THE ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT IS THE ENERGY CODE HAS NOT BEEN PUBLISHED YET, SO ICC IS STILL GOING THROUGH THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT SURE, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT JUST YET.
UM, YOU KNOW, NO TELLING WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN ASKED TO, TO LOOK AT THIS, I, MY RECOMMENDATION AND HOW I PLAN ON MOVING FORWARD AS THE LIAISON WITH Y'ALL IS I WANNA GET THIS DONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA RUN INTO THE SAME THING IN 2027 'CAUSE THIS PROCESS TOOK SO LONG THAT OF, HEY, WE JUST GOT UNDER THE 2020 FOURS.
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SEVENS? I WANNA GET THROUGH THE 2020 FOURS SO THAT WE ADOPT THEM AND WE'RE UNDER THOSE FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND THEN WE GET BACK ON TRACK WITH 2027 OF, HEY, THEY'RE PUBLISHED IN JUNE, 2026, LET'S GET THEM, LET'S START THAT PROCESS.AND, YOU KNOW, EARLY 2027 WE'RE ADOPTING THEM.
SO THAT MEANS MOVING FORWARD QUICKLY ON THESE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE KIND OF PUSHING, THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR THIS MEETING.
INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE NEXT, UM, YOU KNOW, REASON TO MEET.
WE'LL TRY TO GET TO COUNCIL AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN WITH THIS SO WE CAN HAVE THIS BE PART OF THAT PROCESS.
UM, AS SOON AS I'VE WRAPPED THAT UP, WE'LL BE STARTING A, A BOARD MEETING TO CREATE OUR SUBCOMMITTEES.
WELL, WE'LL START REACHING OUT TO START PURCHASING THE BOOKS.
SO WE ALL ALL HAVE Y'ALL'S COPIES.
UM, I GUESS IF WE NEVER ASKED THEM IN THE PASS IF THEY WANT DIGITAL OR NOT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING I'LL REACH OUT TO Y'ALL IF, IF Y'ALL WOULD PREFER DIGITAL.
UM, IS THERE ANY REASON WE WOULDN'T MAYBE SAVE A TREE? THAT'S FINE.
UH, SO YEAH, IF, IF Y'ALL PREFER DIGITAL, WE MIGHT.
SO WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE APPOINTMENTS OF ALL THE VACANT POSITIONS? SO I'M, I'M, I'M CURRENTLY WORKING WITH CITY CLARIS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK BEFORE YOU START ANY CODE CYCLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE APPOINTMENTS DONE BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, AT THE LIST THAT WE SIGNED IN, IT SAYS VACANT VACANT, VACANT, VACANT.
THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT, I MEAN, THE UNIONS FOR BOTH PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL ARE VACANT AND HAD BEEN, UH, WELL I HAD ONE FOR PLUMBING, BUT, UH, HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE IT IN.
I THINK HE WAS ACTUALLY REMOVED, UH, DUE TO, UH, NON, NON NON SHOWING UP.
SO YEAH, I, I'M GONNA PUSH FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S UP TO THAT INDUSTRY.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE PUSH, WE LET 'EM KNOW, HEY, I NEED, I NEED, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATE FOR GREG.
UM, I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE ACTUALLY MAYBE AN ALTERNATE FOR ROBERT SO I CAN GET AN ARCHITECT, BUT YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A GENERAL CONTRACTOR EITHER.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS I'M GONNA KIND OF LEAN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, SO I HAVE TO GO, CITY CLERKS IS THE ONE THAT GOES TO COUNCIL ON OUR BEHALF, UH, TO ADD APPOINTMENTS AND THEY OVERSEE ALL THE 70, 80 BOARDS, UH, AND COMMISSIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO THEIR, THEIR PLACE USUALLY PRETTY FULL, I'M HOPING, BUT I CAN USE THIS AS A CATALYST.
HEY, I'M GOING TO PCDC AND THE BOARD AND THE, AND CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE THESE AMENDMENTS.
CAN WE PLEASE JUST GET ON THE SAME TICKET AND TALK ABOUT MY BOARD AND ADD, YOU KNOW, ADD MEMBERS WHILE I'M DOING THIS? SO WE ARE NOT PRESENTING AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
SO I'M GONNA USE THAT AS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I DO, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO NEED TO REPLACE OUR SIGN CODE, UM, OR SIGN SIGN INDUSTRY, CORRECT.
SO WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE APPLYING OR THAT WANNA BE ON IT.
THEY'VE BEEN WANTING TO BE ON IT SINCE LAST OCTOBER, BUT CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IS, YOU KNOW, HESITANT TO JUST GO WHEN THERE'S LIKE ONE OR TWO 'CAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE PROCESS.
SO WE HAVE, THEY'VE DONE ADVERTISEMENTS.
UM, I'M GONNA REACH BACK OUT TO, UH, THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE MISSING.
YOU KNOW, I THINK STRUCTURAL, ALTERNATE
I, I, I'VE, I HAD ONE, BUT I NEVER, I'VE NEVER MET THE ALTERNATE THAT USED TO BE ON IT, BUT HE DIDN'T DO HIS FDR R SO HE FINALLY GOT REMOVED.
BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A BIG THING, YOU KNOW, UNION SHOPS, ANYTHING Y'ALL CAN DO TO HELP OUT WITH THAT ELECTRICAL, DOES IT? I MEAN, I'M, I'M FULL UP ON ELECTRICAL, WHICH IS GOOD.
I GOT PRIMARY AN ALTERNATE ON ENGINEERS AND, UH, BOTH OPEN AND AND UNION, UH, FOR, FOR THE CONTRACTORS.
UH, BUT ON BOTH PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL, I'M, I'M, UH, MISSING THOSE.
SO WE WILL BE PUSHING, I'M ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE REACH OUT AND, YOU KNOW, BUILDING, BUILDING PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ON GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
YEAH, SO GEN, I'M TALKING, UH, GC, UH, COMMERCIAL GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
SO, UH, BUT NO, WE'RE GONNA PUSH, YOU KNOW, ONCE I HAVE A DATE WITH CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IS, IT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT MORE TO LEAN ON AND BE LIKE, HEY, I HAVE A DEADLINE.
I NEED YOU TO APPLY GIVEN THESE LETTERS.
AND I CAN USUALLY GET SOMEBODY TO SQUEAK THROUGH AND, AND ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA ADOPT THE CODES, THAT HELPS SOMETIMES GET PEOPLE INTERESTED.
HEY, DO YOU WANNA BE PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST SITTING ON A BOARD THAT MAYBE MEETS TWICE A YEAR? UH, SOMETIMES.
SO LIKE FOR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING CONTRACTORS, I WOULD ALSO ADD SOMEBODY LIKE CONTACT THE REAL ESTATE COUNCIL OF SAN ANTONIO IN ADDITION TO THE GENERAL CONTRACTORS ASSOCIATION TO GET THOSE POSITION FILLED BECAUSE THEY WILL DO A BETTER JOB OF GETTING IT FILLED.
'CAUSE THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE ACTIVE.
YEAH, WE, WE DO LET REX KNOW, UH, THROUGH OUR, OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH THEM AS WELL.
BUT YEAH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO PUSH.
UH, BUT I'M NOT GONNA HOLD, I'M NOT GONNA HOLD THIS PROCESS UP FOR THAT.
MY, I WOULD TRY TO FILL AS MANY AS I CAN BEFORE WE START THE PROCESS AS WHAT WE DID BEFORE WE ADOPTED IT AND WE ADDED, YOU KNOW, I WANNA SAY WE ADDED SEVEN OR EIGHT, UH, GOOD MEMBERS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL AND, YOU KNOW, ATTENDING, WHICH HAS BEEN GREAT.
SO I'M HOPING WE CAN DO THE SAME THING.
ADD FIVE OR SIX MORE, HELPS FILL THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES UP, UH, PRETTY WELL.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY FEEDBACK, AND I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT MY, THE TECHNICAL EXPERTS ON THE BOARD IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WE, BECAUSE OF COVID, WE FINISHED THE 21 LATE, RIGHT? I MEAN, HAS, HAS, HAVE THOSE NEW CODES EVEN REALLY SETTLED IN YET? I MEAN, ARE WE, ARE WE JUMPING THE GUN BY NOT SKIPPING A CYCLE HERE? I MEAN, WE REVIEWED IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID AN INTERNAL REVIEW TO KIND OF GET A HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES? UM, WE, WE DIDN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANNA GO INTO DETAILS,
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UH, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA AND AND STUFF.UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WEIGHED THAT AGAINST A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, AND I DUNNO IF AMIN WANTS TO SPEAK ON, ON THE DECISION.
UM, SO AS JEREMY SAID, WE DID UH, PURCHASE THOSE BOOKS AND WE WENT THROUGH THEM.
UM, THERE IS REALLY NOT A LOT OF CHANGES, UM, IN ALL THE CODES IN GENERAL.
BUT THE BIGGEST ITEM IS AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE ARE ISO CERTIFIED.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS EVERY SEVERAL YEARS THEY COME AND DO FULL EVALUATION ON US AND THEY RATE US.
IF WE DO NOT ADOPT THE LATEST CODES, NORMALLY WE LOSE POINTS AND IF WE LOSE POINTS, OUR I RATING WILL GO DOWN.
WHAT THAT AFFECTS IS REALLY NOT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN GENERAL.
ALL THE INSURANCE RATES AND EVERYTHING IS BASED ON THE CITY'S ISO RATING.
AND WE HAVE THE HIGHEST IN TEXAS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST NATIONWIDE.
SO BY NOT ADOPTING THE NEWEST CODE, WE LOSE POINTS WE MIGHT DROP DOWN A LITTLE.
SO WE FEEL THE BENEFIT OUTWEIGHS THE, THE WORK THAT WE GONNA HAVE TO DO FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS RUN.
RON KAMAN, THIS IS, THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHEN WE ADOPTED THE LAST SERIES AROUND AS WELL.
SHOULD WE SKIP THAT ONE AND WAIT TILL THIS ONE AND THE DECISION WAS MADE TO NOT SKIP, TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS SO THAT WE STAYED ONE IN STEP, BUT ALSO IT HELPS US TO ALIGN BETTER WITH, WITH WHAT THE STATE HAS ALREADY ADOPTED.
THE NEC, WE DO GET THOSE QUESTIONS QUITE A BIT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE, THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE IS MOVING TO THE 2023.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK NEC PUSHES MORE THAN THAN OTHERS.
UH, BUT, AND IT MAKES SENSE IF WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ONE, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND DO ALL OF THEM.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY ONE OF COURSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE ENERGY CODE OF WHETHER WE WOULD ADOPT IT OR NOT.
THE STATE ON THAT ONE I THINK IS UNDER THE 2021 AND ONLY ADOPTS EVERY SIX YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISION NOT TO, THEN WE'RE IN HAND, IN HAND WITH THE STATE AS WELL.
BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES OUTTA THE 2024.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO GOOD NOT TO GET TOO FAR BEHIND.
'CAUSE IN THE PROCESS OF JUMPING FROM ONE, YOU KNOW, SIX YEAR PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW 2024 ANYWAYS TO KNOW WHAT WOULD THOSE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE NOW CARRYING OVER TO 2027.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW 'EM.
WHETHER WE DO IT IN TWO BITES INSTEAD OF ONE PART OF PROCESS WHERE WE WOULD BE AT IF WE HADN'T DONE THE LAST ROUND WITH THE, THE CHANGES THAT CAME WERE FOR, CAME UP THROUGH THE STATE LEVEL.
I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES ON REFRIGERANT THAT'S ARE, THAT ARE COMING FOR THE LOWER FLAMMABILITY REFRIGERANTS.
AND I KNOW ACTUALLY 90.1 JUST PUBLISHED AND IT'S A BIG JUMP.
IT'S A, IT'S AN ALTERNATE INSIDE OF THE IECC THAT YOU CAN USE.
SO I EXPECT IECC TO PROBABLY HAVE A BIG JUMP IN IT TOO THIS YEAR.
I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED IT DIRECTLY, BUT I, I MAY, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES I'M WATCHING IS EVEN TRYING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE FLAM, LOWER FLAMMABILITY REFRIGERANTS.
I KNOW SOME OF THAT'S COMING OUT TOO LATE TO GO INTO THE 2024, BUT IT'S GONNA COME IN THE NEXT VERSION.
SO I MAY EVEN TRY TO GET US A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVE ON THE 2024 IMC ON THE REFRIGERANTS AND SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S, THAT'S BEING BANNERED AROUND.
YEAH, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO, MOST OF IT'S GONNA GO INTO THE 2027.
WE'LL BE A PROCESS WHERE WE CAN SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN 2027 AND IF THERE'S ANY AMENDMENTS WITH THAT OR, HEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A POSITIVE.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND AMEND THAT IN IF IT LOOKS GOOD.
UH, THAT WAS ALL THE STAFF REPORTS, SO UNLESS THE BOARD HAS ANYTHING, THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM STAFF.
CHRIS AURORA ADJOURNMENT? YES, SIR.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? WE, ARE WE DONE? GOOD? EVERYBODY GOOD? ALL RIGHT.