Apr 03, 2024 Historic and Design Review Commission

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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER

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MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO CASTILLO.

HERE.

SAVINO.

HERE.

VELAZQUEZ.

HERE.

GALLOWAY MOOKA.

HERE.

GIDA.

HERE.

GRO CERVANTES.

HERE.

HOLLAND FETZER HERE.

AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU.

MAY I HAVE SOMEONE FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, EZ.

WE THANK YOU.

THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FESSOR.

IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.

AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP AT THE ON THE PUBLIC CONDUCT PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.

IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THESE CASES ARE CALLED.

CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.

SPEAKERS WILL BE, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN ORDER IN ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMITS.

PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.

CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.

AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.

THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

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SECOND.

THANK YOU.

IT'S BEEN MOVED IN PROPERLY.

SECOND.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.

SINO AYE.

VELAZQUEZ.

AYE.

ZUKA.

AYE.

GUEVARA.

AYE.

CERVANTES? YES.

HOLLAND.

AYE.

FETZER AYE.

AND GIBBS AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, IF YOU'LL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ]

UM, ITEM, IT'S NOT 11 ITEM NINE, WHICH IS THREE 14 WEST SUMMIT WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.

UM, SO WE HAVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT ON CONSENT.

UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE HAVE NO VOICEMAILS OR PUBLIC SIGN-INS TO SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS. UM, I WILL KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, RELATED TO ITEMS FOUR AND ITEM SIX.

THANK YOU.

DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? YES.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER FOUR FOR A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.

NUMBER FOUR, ANY OTHER ITEMS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT? AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M RECUSING MYSELF FROM THE REST OF THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

.

MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE ITEMS ON CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

SECOND, WHAT'S THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER FOUR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER FOUR?

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SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT IT BE MADE? NOTICE THAT, UM, VICE CHAIR PROFESSOR HAS LEFT THE ROOM.

MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

CASTILLO.

AYE.

SINO? AYE.

VELAZQUEZ? AYE.

ZUKA? AYE.

GUEVARA.

AYE.

CERVANTES? YES.

HOLLAND.

AYE.

AND GIBBS? AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 600 HEMISPHERE TWO 17 NEWELL 1210 EAST ELMIRA 1 25 LEE ONE 20 EAST MAGNOLIA, 1 34 EAST MULBERRY AND 5 23 EAST SATCH.

YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

UH, AT THIS TIME WE WILL, UH, REVIEW ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, THE APPLICANT'S HERE IN PERSON.

UH, 2 21 LA SOYA.

MY NAME IS KYLE TOSTENSON.

I'M THE, UH, ARCHITECT.

YES.

UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I SEE THAT YOU'RE REMOVING SOME WINDOWS TO CREATE SORT OF AN ENCLOSED TERRACE AS PART OF THE DESIGN.

CORRECT.

HOW DO YOU INTEND TO DEAL WITH WIND-DRIVEN RAIN WATER COMING INTO THAT SPACE? UM, IT'S ON THE TOP FLOOR AND YOU'VE GOT A RESIDENCE BELOW IT.

SO HOW ARE YOU INTENDING TO DRAIN ANY WATER THAT GETS IN THERE? THERE WILL BE A FLOOR DRAIN, UM, IN THAT LITTLE TERRACE AREA THAT WE'LL INCORPORATE.

WE HAVE A A THREE FOOT INTERSTITIAL SPACE BETWEEN FLOORS, SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THAT.

YOU'VE COORDINATED THAT WITH THE YEAH.

UM, REST OF THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY OWNER? YEAH, THAT'LL BE OKAY.

UM, THAT WAS MY QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

AND I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING, UM, THE COORDINATION OF THAT WITH THE, UH, BUILDING OWNER OR THE COUNCIL OF CO-OWNERS.

AS OF, UM, MONDAY WE SEE A, A LETTER IN OUR FILE THAT TALK ABOUT NOT BEING NOTIFIED OF THIS.

HAVE YOU BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM SINCE THAT? WITH WHO? UM, COUNCIL OF CO-OWNERS FOR THE PASEO DEL.

I'M THE, I'M THE OWNER OF THE UNIT.

UM, I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE COUNCIL, MA'AM.

AND, UH, MA'AM, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

YES, I AM JESSICA ELLIOT.

I'M SORRY.

I'M THE OWNER OF THIS UNIT.

THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

UM, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE COUNCIL VIA EMAIL, UM, AND OUR BYLAWS, IT DOES REQUIRE A CO-OWNER APPROVAL.

HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THE ORDER IN WHICH ALL THAT HAPPENS.

AND SO, UM, OUR NEXT STEP WILL TO BE APPROVE IT WITH THEM AND, AND COORDINATED WITH THEM.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YES.

THE, UM, AGAIN, GOING TO CHAIRMAN FETZER'S, UM, OR I'M SORRY, UM, COMMISSIONER FETZER'S, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THE WATER INFILTRATION AND THE EFFECT ON ADJACENT UNITS IS REALLY IMPORTANT ON THIS ONE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND.

ARE THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.

SINO? AYE.

VELAZQUEZ AYE.

ZUKA AYE.

GIDA AYE.

CERVANTES? YES.

HOLLAND.

AYE.

FETZER AYE.

AND GIBBS? AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER 10 IS NUMBER FOR INDIVIDUAL.

OH, I'M SORRY.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

UM, NO, I AM NUMBER NINE.

I'M SORRY.

I ITEM NUMBER NINE HDRC CASE, 2024 DASH 1 32 3 14 WEST SUMMIT.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO, UM, ONE, MODIFY THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE FRONT YARD BY REMOVING THE EXISTING SLOPE,

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AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER GRANT GARBO, HAS CONSENTED TO ITEM NUMBER ONE TO NOT MODIFY THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY.

UM, AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO DISCUSS ITEM TWO, THE RETAINING WALL.

UM, I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CASE HISTORY.

THE APPLICANT DID INITIALLY CONSENT TO STAFF'S, UM, STIPULATIONS.

I DID GIVE HIM SOME GRACE TO, UM, SUBMIT OTHER MATERIALS, UM, WHICH HE DID LATE.

UM, AND DUE TO THAT, THEY DO NOT CONSENT TO STAFF'S STIPULATION.

SO I'M GONNA GO AND PULL UP THE LATE FILES NOW AND THE APPLICANT GRANT GARBLE IS VIRTUAL.

SO COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANNA EXPLAIN OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ACTUAL WALL IS WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THE WALL BECAUSE THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE BURN ITSELF, WHICH WE'RE RECOMMENDING BE PRESERVED.

UM, AND SO WHAT WE HAVE SAID IS THAT HE CAN USE THE PROPOSED MATERIALS, WHICH IS BRICK, TO CONSTRUCT A SMALL CURB, UM, KIND OF ALONG THE SIDEWALK.

AND BASICALLY THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE EROSION ISSUE INTO THE SIDEWALK.

UM, THIS HAS BEEN DONE ON OTHER PROPERTIES.

UM, AND I WILL NOTE THAT THERE'S A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET FROM THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION THAT ECHOES THAT SENTIMENT.

MR. GARBO, ARE YOU THERE? UH, YES.

YES I AM.

THANK YOU.

AM I ALLOWED TO SPEAK NOW? IS IT MY TIME? OF COURSE, YES.

OH, EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU.

I, YES, SO I'M GRANT GARBO AND I'M, UH, THE OWNER AS INTRODUCED.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT, UM, TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UH, SO THIS IS JUST A PICTURE BACK IN 2017 OF OUR PROPERTY, UH, WHEN WE PURCHASED IT.

AND YOU CAN SEE I JUST PROVIDED THIS PICTURE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW LUSH AND GREEN THAT ASIAN JASMINE IS ON THAT, UM, KILL IN THE FRONT.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS UNFORTUNATELY IS WHAT WE ARE LEFT WITH AT THIS POINT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE DROUGHTS AND FREEZES THAT UNFORTUNATELY SAN ANTONIO HAS BEEN SUFFERING THROUGH.

UH, NEXT SLIDE .

SO THIS IS JUST THE SAME PICTURE, JUST KIND OF A CLOSEUP.

UM, MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING REALLY HARD TO REPLANT, REGROW.

UH, WE CO WE COVER IT EVERY WINTER, UH, TO HELP PROTECT IT, AND WE TRY TO IRRIGATE WITHIN THE STAGE TWO WATER RESTRICTIONS THAT WE ARE MANDATED TO.

AND IT'S JUST BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT BATTLE THAT WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO REALLY SUCCEED AT.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS IS JUST, I MEAN, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALL LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT I MEAN, 2021 WITH THAT HUGE SNOWSTORM THAT REALLY DECIMATED A LOT OF MONIES TO, UH, ESPECIALLY THIS PARTICULAR FLORA, UH, WITHIN OUR YARD.

UM, THEN IN 2021 WE HAD SIGNIFICANT DROUGHTS.

2022, YOU COULD SEE 58 DAYS GREATER THAN A HUNDRED DEGREES.

UH, THIS TYPE OF PLANT AND THIS TOPOGRAPHY IS JUST NOT CONDUCIVE FOR MAINTAINING ANY SORT OF MOISTURE IN THESE CONDITIONS.

UH, 2022 WINTER WE HAD MORE FREEZES, OR 20 DAYS GREATER THAN 32 DEGREES.

AND THESE PLANTS, ONCE AGAIN, THE EXPOSURE WHERE THEY SIT, THEY'RE JUST MUCH TOO EXPOSED.

AND, UH, WE LOST ALL THE PLANTINGS THAT WE HAD TRIED AT THAT TIME.

2023.

THIS WAS THE YEAR OF 75 DAYS GREATER THAN A HUNDRED DEGREES.

ONCE AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT WE TRIED TO PLANT, WE JUST GOT FRIED AND DID NOT SURVIVE AT ALL.

AND IN 2024, WE ALREADY HAD SEVEN DAYS OF FREEZING WEATHER.

UM, NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS IS JUST A REVIEW OF THE RAINFALL, AND YOU CAN SEE WE'VE HAD SIGNIFICANT DROUGHT.

NORMALLY WE'RE AT 33 INCHES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS SINCE 2017.

SINCE WE, UH, LIVED IN THE PROPERTY, WE'VE ONLY HAD LIKE 23 AND A HALF INCHES SOME YEARS, MUCH LESS THAN OTHERS.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

SO I'M PRIMARILY HERE TO ASK FOR PERMISSION TO BUILD THIS CURB AND, UH, TO ALLOW ME TO SAFEGUARD MY LAND AND PRESERVE ITS BEAUTY, TRY TO PROTECT THE FLORA, AND THERE IS CLIMATE CHANGE THAT'S OCCURRING BY ALLOWING A RETENTION WALL OR CURB.

I'M JUST TRYING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SLOPE LAND TO TRY TO RETAIN SOME OF THIS MOISTURE AS WELL AS, UH, CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT THE PLANT LIFE HAS A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO SURVIVE AND PROMOTE SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES, UH, IN TERMS OF REDUCING THE WATER USAGE.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS IS AN ADJUSTMENT.

UM, INITIALLY I HAD PROPOSED 30 INCHES BECAUSE THAT WOULD'VE TAKEN AWAY THE SLOPE COMPLETELY.

AND SO IN, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT HDRC IS RECOMMENDING, I AM SUGGESTING A 15 INCH CURB, UH, TO STILL ALLOW ME TO RETAIN SOME OF THAT MOISTURE WHILE RETAINING THAT SLOPE THAT YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP.

I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE A MOUSE TO SHOW ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE, THE FIRST YEAH, EXACTLY THAT FIRST 15 INCHES THAT NOW NO LONGER WILL BE A WALL, WILL BE THAT SLOPE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO RETAIN THE SLOPE FOR WHICH, UH, MONTE VISTA IS

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UH, NEXT SLIDE.

AND SO THIS IS A VERY JUST IMMATURE RENDITION, UM, UM, JUST DEMONSTRATING WHAT WE WOULD BE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

AND WE HAVE IT MARKED THERE AT JUST 15 INCHES OF THAT CURB.

AND THEN THE SLOPED MULCH.

AND THEN, UH, THE PLANTINGS, UH, WE'RE HAVING ROSE BUSHES IN PLACE OF THE, UH, ASIAN JASMINE, WHICH IS MORE RESISTANT TO BOTH THE DROUGHT AND THE COLD, AS WELL AS ALLOWING US TO PLACE DRIP IRRIGATION AS OPPOSED TO SPRAY IRRIGATION.

UH, NEXT DRIVES, NEXT SLIDE.

SO THAT'S THE REQUEST IS TO INSTALL A RETENTION CURVE, 15 INCHES OF WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING AND UTILIZING ROSES TO REDUCE WATER REQUIREMENTS USING DRIP IRRIGATION.

AND THEY'RE BETTER EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THESE, UM, LARGE RANGES OF TEMPERATURES THAT WE'VE UNFORTUNATELY BEEN FORCED TO, UH, SUFFER THROUGH AS WELL AS MAINTAINING THE EXISTING SLOPE.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHAT I, ONE REASON WHY I THINK THIS, HOPEFULLY WE WILL AGREE THIS SHOULD BE ALLOWED, THAT THESE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO USE.

THESE ARE ON MY SITE.

ALL OF THIS BRICK, UH, WAS PART OF MY ORIGINAL HOME.

UH, WE DID SOME INTERNAL RENOVATIONS A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND REMOVED A WALL, AND IN THE PROCESS OF REMOVING THAT WALL, WE REMOVED THE BRICK FROM THAT WALL.

SO ALL THESE BRICKS ARE HISTORIC IN NATURE AND THEY'RE FROM MY HOME GOING TO BE UTILIZED FOR MY PROPERTY'S PROTECTION FROM THE CLIMATE CHANGE.

AND I'VE HAD THE INDIVIDUAL WHO BE BUILDING THE WALL COME AND LOOK AND HE SAID, THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH BRICK THERE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.

UH, YEP.

AND NEXT SLIDE.

SO ADDITIONALLY, SAWS HAS A REBATE PROGRAM THEY'RE TRYING TO INCREASE, OR SORRY, DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF IRRIGATED PLANT AREA IN THE CITY.

ASIAN JASMINE ON A SLOPE IS EQUALLY, IF NOT MORE WATER SENSITIVE THAN GRASS.

AND SO BY TRYING TO, UH, REPLANT DIFFERENT PLANTS AS WELL AS TRYING TO BUILD THIS CURB TO RETAIN THE MOISTURE, I AM HOPEFUL THAT THIS WILL ACCOMPLISH EXACTLY WHAT SOILS IS TRYING TO DO.

AND LIKE I MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA REPLACE IT WITH A DRIP IRRIGATOR AS OPPOSED TO A SPRAY IRRIGATOR, JUST TO ONCE AGAIN TRY TO PRESERVE THE BEAUTY OF THE HOME WHILE ALSO TRYING TO REALIZE THAT WATER AS A RESOURCE IS LIMITED.

AND SAN ANTONIO IS ESPECIALLY AFFECTED BY DROUGHT TAN CHANGES IN THE CLIMATE.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, THIS IS OUR, SO, UM, LIKE I THINK CLAUDIA MENTIONED, WE HAVE THREE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, BOTH OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST WEST, DIRECTLY UP NEXT TO US, AND THEN DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

THIS IS THREE 11 WEST SUMMIT, AND THEY HAVE A VERY SIMILAR WALL FOR VERY SIMILAR PURPOSES JUST TO TRY TO RETAIN AND AVOID IRRIGATION.

AND SO IT WOULD NOT BE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THEIR WALL.

THIS WALL IS 22 INCHES AND I'M ASKING FOR 15 INCHES, UH, FOR MY PROPERTY.

AND THEN THE FINAL SLIDE IS, THIS IS JUST ME WALKING MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I MEAN, WALLS DO EXIST WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT THAT RARE.

AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE WERE ALREADY HISTORIC, BUT I ONLY POINT THIS OUT BECAUSE BUILDING A SMALL CURB IS NOT OUTSIDE THE REALM OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IT WOULD HELP TO PRESERVE THE FLORA AND REDUCE WATER USAGE, WHICH IS THE POINT OF A LOT OF OUR NEW GUIDELINES.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

IS REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL FROM 30 TO 15, WHAT Y'ALL WOULD CONSIDER A MINIMAL CURB? NO, WE'RE TALKING PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT INCHES, THE COURSE OF MAYBE ONE OR TWO BRICKS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE THE QUESTIONS.

I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH A EIGHT INCH CURB POTENTIALLY? I MEAN, I PRIMARILY WANT TO DO WHAT I, AS MUCH AS I CAN TO ENSURE THE BEST PROTECTION TO MY LAND THAT I CAN.

AND IF YOU'RE ONLY WILLING TO GIMME EIGHT INCHES, I WILL ACCEPT EIGHT INCHES.

I'M ASKING FOR 15 INCHES.

JUST TO GIMME A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT AND WATER RETENTION FOR THE LAND.

MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

UH, SIR, UH, IN ONE OF THE, UM, EXAMPLES THAT YOU SHOWED, UH, THERE WAS A, A WALL WITH A BRICK CAP AND THE WALL WAS STUCCO OR PLASTERED TO MATCH THE HOUSE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PLASTER THE MAJORITY OF THE WALL LEAVING A BRICK CAP TO MATCH YOUR HOUSE? OH YEAH.

I, I DEFINITELY WOULD, UM, THAT,

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I ONLY WANTED, I PRIMARILY WANTED TO USE THE BRICK BECAUSE IT'S FROM OUR HOME, AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY NICE.

AND WE ALSO HAVE BRICK WITHIN THE FRONT YARD.

UH, SOME OF OUR PATHWAYS MADE OUT OF BRICK.

SO ALTHOUGH THE BRICK DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATCH THE HOME, IT DOES MATCH THE LANDSCAPING.

AND THEN ONCE YOU ENTER OUR BACKYARD, ACTUALLY OUR, OUR BACKYARD AND COURTYARD IS PREDOMINANTLY BRICK.

OKAY.

AND SO IT, IT WOULD MATCH THE LANDSCAPING OF THE HOME IN GENERAL, BUT I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO, UH, STUCCO AND PLASTER AND EVEN PAINTING AT THE SAME COLOR AS MY HOME.

NOT AT ALL.

WOULD I BE OPPOSED TO THAT? OKAY.

THEN A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR, UH, THREE INCHES, FIVE INCHES, EIGHT INCHES, 10 INCHES? I, I AGREE.

15 INCHES.

WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCHES.

THE MAIN THING IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SLOPE PRESERVED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE GUIDELINES WOULD RECOMMEND.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE HIGHER WALL YOU GET, THE LESS STUFF THAT SLOPE CAN BE PRESERVED.

UM, SO IT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE AS YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, COREY, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. GARBO.

UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, THE NEED TO PROTECT YOUR LAND AND TO SAFEGUARD IT FROM CLIMATE CHANGE SPECIFICALLY, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UM, IS THE LAND DISAPPEARING OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH IT? WELL, WHEN I SPEAK OF PROTECTING THE LAND, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EXCESSIVE DROUGHT AND FREEZES IN SAN ANTONIO HAS, FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, HAS NOT EXPERIENCED AS MUCH FREEZING AS IT HAS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

AND DEFINITELY THE DROUGHT HAS BECOME MORE SUBSTANTIAL AND THE NUMBER OF DAYS GREATER THAN A HUNDRED DEGREES WITH THESE PLANTS BEING EXPOSED TO THAT TYPE OF SUNSHINE AND HEAT IS GETTING WORSE.

AND I ANTICIPATE THAT IT'S ONLY GONNA BECOME MORE PREDOMINANT IN TERMS OF THE LENGTH OF SUMMER AND THE DROUGHTS THAT WE EXPERIENCE.

AND SO RATHER THAN TRYING TO CONTINUE FIGHT A LOSING BATTLE, I'D RATHER TRY TO SET UP MY PROPERTY TO BE PREPARED TO BETTER WITHHOLD WITHSTAND THE CHANGES THAT WERE, THAT ARE COMING.

OKAY.

SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU'LL ALSO BE REPLACING THE, THE LAWN AND THE GRASS, THE CARPET GRASS? UM, I ANTICIPATE, AND I ACTUALLY WANTED TO SUBMIT THIS AS WELL, BUT, UM, WE HADN'T DECIDED, BUT I WANT TO PLANT, UH, SEVERAL LARGE TREES IN MY FRONT YARD TO PROVIDE BETTER SHADING FOR THE GRASS.

UH, SO THAT IS MY PLAN FOR THE GRASS.

AND YEAH, IF I CAN REPLACE THE GRASS, I'M, I'M ALWAYS UP TO DISCUSSING THAT TO FURTHER REDUCE MY WATER USAGE.

BUT MY FIRST PLAN OF ATTACK WAS TO, UH, PLANT SOME LARGE, I WAS LOOKING AT LIVE OAKS OR MONTEREY OAKS TO PLANT.

THAT'LL JUST GIVE A LOT OF SHADE TO THE FRONT YARD AND BETTER PROTECT IT FROM THE, UH, RAVAGES OF SUMMER.

SURE.

OKAY.

THANK FURTHER QUESTIONS.

NOT MAY HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR.

I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS REQUESTED, UH, BY THE APPLICANT FOR A MAXIMUM OF 15 INCHES AT THE HIGHEST OR, UM, DEEPEST DEPTH.

SECOND.

THERE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND JUST MOVE IMPROPERLY.

SECOND.

UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION.

MR. CHAIR? YES MA'AM.

I'M, I'M INCLINED TO STAFF HAS THIS ONE, RIGHT? UM, I I'M JUST GOING DOWN THE BLOCK ON GOOGLE.

UM, AND I DON'T SEE, I MEAN, I SEE MANY OF THE HOMES, I GUESS THE WHOLE BLOCK HAS SIMILAR SLOPE.

UM, AND SO I, I'M I'M MORE TRYING TO TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE OF THE GUIDELINES.

'CAUSE IT WOULD CHANGE THE KIND OF THE LANDSCAPE AND THE TOP, TOP, TOP TOPOGRAPHY OF THE WHOLE BLOCK.

I KNOW THERE'S ONE EXAMPLE AND IF WE CAN PULL UP THE PICTURE, I FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE LIKE A, THERE'S A LOT OF RETENTION WALLS ALONG THE DRIVEWAYS AND I THINK MAYBE THIS PROPERTY, I MEAN, OF COURSE, YEAH, I'M SURE IT WAS DONE A LONG TIME AGO, BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT FROM A GOOGLE, IT'S REALLY ONLY HALF OF THE LOT SIZE AND IT KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SWING AROUND FROM THE DRIVEWAY UP TO THOSE STAIRS AND THAT'S IT.

AND IT KIND OF GOES SLOPED DOWN SO IT STARTS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO ALMOST NON-EXISTENT AFTER THE STAIRS.

AND, AND THAT'S MORE LIKE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE STAFF COULD BE ALSO MORE INCLINED TO ADMINISTER PROOF.

THERE'S STILL SLOPE.

SO I THINK THERE'S JUST, THERE HISTORICALLY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY RETENTION.

IF YOU CAN CLAUDIA, GO TO THE CORNER ON THE LEFT, IF YOU GO LEFT FURTHER DOWN THE OTHER SIDE.

OH, WAIT, YEAH, BECAUSE I GUESS IT'S THAT SIDE.

SO THEY HAVE THESE BUSHES RIGHT HERE TO THE RIGHT, UM, KIND OF TALLER BUSHES AND THEN THE JASMINE.

AND I THINK THAT COULD BE ALSO PART OF, YOU

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BUT MAY I SORRY, JUST THAT YOU MR. CHAIR? YEAH.

PROBABLY WON'T NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

THANK YOU.

FURTHER DISCUSSION WILL, MR. CHAIR, MAY YOU COMMENT ON THAT? ABSOLUTELY.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

UM, SO IF YOU GO BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE LEFT THAT PART OF THE JASMINE IS NOW GONE.

IT'S, IT USED TO BE ALL JASMINE AND YEAH, FROM WHERE YOUR MOUSE IS ALL TO THE LEFT, THAT'S ALL DEAD AND, AND WEEDS BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPERIENCING THE SAME ISSUES WITH TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT TYPE OF PLANT IN THIS CLIMATE CHANGE THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.

AND THAT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE.

THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF THEIR DEATH AND THEY HAVE THE, THE ADDITIONAL BUSHES PROTECTING IT.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

UM, AND ON THIS STREET, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S NOT TOO MANY WALLS, BUT THE OTHER PICTURES I PROVIDED, WHICH THERE ARE MANY MORE THAN WHAT I PROVIDED, THAT THERE ARE WALLS COMPLETELY ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

MR. CHAIR, MY CONSIDERATION IS, UH, KINDA RELATED TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE.

THAT STAFF IN THEIR, UM, ASSESSMENT, UH, HA HAS DETERMINED A PARTICULAR HEIGHT.

SO IT IT, IT LEAVES THE REALM OF WHETHER OR NOT STAFF RECOMMENDS IT OR DOESN'T RECOMMEND IT, THEY RECOMMEND SOMETHING, THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF, WELL, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE BETWEEN THE OPINION OF STAFF AND, AND THE OPINION OF THE PERSON THAT'S THERE EVERY DAY.

I THINK IF IT'S DONE PROPERLY, IT CAN ADD IT, IT, IT MAY, UM, ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO, TO, TO THINK THE SAME WAY, WHICH MAY BE A PLUS OR A MINUS.

BUT WE, WE, I THINK WE DO HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE IN SAN ANTONIO AS A PLACE DEALING WITH CLIMATE CHANGE THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET PREPARED FOR THAT, UM, ARE AFFECTING STRUCTURES THAT HAVEN'T HAD NEGATIVE EFFECTS FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.

THERE'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING VERY SIGNIFICANT AND VERY, UH, UNIQUE ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE DROUGHTS TODAY.

THEY ARE VERY, VERY PRONOUNCED, VERY DRAMATIC, UH, THIS, THIS APPLICANT MAY, MAY BE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF HIS TIME, UM, IN, IN DEALING WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCE.

I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING, BEING WILLING TO COMPROMISE FOR WHAT HIS ORIGINAL, UH, PROPOSAL WAS AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION STAFFS, UH, WISH THAT THE BERM IS NOT COMPLETELY, UM, UH, REMOVED.

IT'S REVERSIBLE SHOULD CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SPONSOR OR, YOU KNOW, THE RETURN TO THE BERM, WELL THAT'S STILL VERY, VERY POSSIBLE.

BUT IN THE SHORT RUN, I, I I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

I HAVE MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND A SHORT SURE, GO AHEAD.

COMMENT HERE.

UH, WHOEVER'S UH, DRIVING THE GOOGLE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT CORNER AND, UM, SHOW THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET OF THE ONE THAT WAS GIVEN AS AN EXAMPLE? UH, IT HAS LIKE A, LIKE A WHITE CURB NEXT TO IT.

LET'S SEE, UH, YOU WERE JUST AT, UH, RIGHT THERE, THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT THERE.

IT'S GOT THAT LITTLE WHITE CURB.

SO, SO MY QUESTION TO STAFF IS, IS YOUR DETERMINATION OF THE HEIGHT OF THE CURB, UH, BASED ON THE STEEP STEEPNESS OR THE HEIGHT OF THE, OF THE SLOPE? SO FOR EXAMPLE, I SEE THAT THAT ONE HAS A TAPERED CURB.

WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED IN, IN THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY? BECAUSE SOME OF HIS SLOPE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AS YOU MOVE ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE YARD.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE HONESTLY NOT TRYING TO PRESCRIBE THE HEIGHT OF WHATEVER THE SOLUTION IS, BUT CURB WAS INTENDED TO MEAN SOMETHING, SOME SORT OF BARRIER BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE LANDSCAPE AREA THAT WOULD KEEP THE SOIL FROM ERODING, YOU KNOW, WASHING OUT EVERY TIME IT RAINED.

AND SO THIS HAS BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW, USUALLY IT'S ABOUT A SIX INCH CURB IS KIND OF WHAT WE HAD IN MIND, BUT I WAS TRYING NOT TO BE SUPER PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT THAT.

RIGHT.

I ASKED THAT BECAUSE I SEE ON THAT EXAMPLE IT'S MORE OF A WALL ON THE LEFT AND THEN IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A CURVE ON THE RIGHT AND, AND THAT THAT'S LOOKS LIKE IT, IT CORRESPONDS, UH, UH, FROM A STRUCTURAL STANDPOINT TO MITIGATE WHAT EXACTLY THIS THIS GENTLEMAN IS TRYING TO DO.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

I I WILL NOTE THAT, UM, AT THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY ON SUMMIT, UM, HIS DRIVEWAY HAS A CURB AND SO POTENTIALLY IT COULD JUST TURN THE CORNER AND KEEP GOING.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO DESIGN, I'M NOT TRYING TO DESIGN WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE THINK THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOMETHING KIND OF SMALL IN NATURE THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE TOPOGRAPHY AT THAT LOCATION.

THANK YOU.

UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, SIR.

UM, ARE YOU EXPERIENCING, UM, A LOT OF EROSION THERE OR IS IT JUST, UH,

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WELL NOW THAT THE, UH, JASMINE IS, IS DEAD AND MISSING, THE EROSION IS MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY ROOT STRUCTURE OR PLANT STRUCTURE TO RETAIN THE SOIL.

SO THERE IS CONSTANT EROSION THAT IS OCCURRING.

AND UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS THAT YOU MENTIONED DRIP, UM, IRRIGATION.

SO, UH, HAVE, IF YOU CONSIDERED THAT OR IS IT AS AN ALTERNATIVE OR, UH, SOMETHING THAT ALONG THOSE LINES THAT CAN HELP KEEP THOSE ROOTS MOIST SO THEY'LL CONTINUE TO GROW? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT? UM, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IRRIGATION FOR THE JASMINE.

LIKE I SAID, WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN ABLE TO KEEP IT ALIVE LONG ENOUGH TO, UM, TO EXPAND AND GROW.

WE, WE PLANT MULTIPLE NEW JASMINE FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS AND THEY JUST, THEY, THEY AREN'T ABLE TO SURVIVE THE SUMMERS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WATER RESTRICTIONS.

AND WE DO HAND WATER THEM AS OFTEN AS WE CAN AND THEY JUST CAN'T SURVIVE.

AND WHEN THEY DO, WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME TO SURVIVE, THEN THE WINTER FREEZE COMES IN.

LIKE I SAID, WE'VE PLACED BLANKETS AND OTHER INSULATION OVER THEM DURING FREEZES PRIOR TO FREEZES TO TRY TO PROTECT THEM.

AND THEY'RE JUST NOT STRONG ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY OUT HERE WHERE I THINK THE WIND GUST JUST CONSTANTLY IS, UH, ATTACKING THEM IN THE WINTER.

AND SO IT'S DROPPING BELOW WHATEVER THE ACTUAL TEMPERATURE IS GIVEN THE WINDSHIELD THAT THEY'RE JUST TOO FRAGILE.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

I WANTED TO SHARE A COUPLE OF MY OBSERVATIONS.

UM, UM, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE GUIDELINES AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, IT IS CLEAR THAT IT IS THE OUTLIER.

UM, ALL OF THE OTHER LOTS ALONG THE ENTIRE BLOCK HAVE A NICE CONSISTENT BERM THAT WORKS WITH THE ENTIRE BLOCK FRONTAGE IN A VERY EVEN CONSISTENT WAY.

SO JUST BASED ON THE GUIDELINES AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK, UM, THE REQUEST IS NOT CONFORMING AND IS NOT RESPONSIVE TO THE SITUATION.

UM, MY MY SECOND COMMENT IS THE CHOICE OF GROUND COVER, THE CHOICE OF PLANTINGS IS REALLY VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

UH, THE ASIAN JASMINE IS IDEAL IN HOT HUMID CONDITIONS CLOSER TO THE GULF COAST AND DOESN'T DO AS WELL HERE.

SO, UM, BEXAR COUNTY EXTENSION SAWS, NATIVE PLANT ORGANIZATIONS, THEY HAVE A PLETHORA OF GROUND COVER THAT IS MORE RESPONSIVE TO OUR CLIMATE, ESPECIALLY AS WE SEE LONGER SUMMERS, HOTTER SUMMERS INCREASED DROUGHT.

AND, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE, THE APPLICANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE, UM, FOR SOIL STABILIZATION TO KEEP THE GROUND COVERED.

SO, UM, THE UPSHOT IS I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? GO AHEAD SIR.

SO, UH, I'D BE INCLINED TO, UH, SUPPORT THE MOTION, UM, IN PARTICULAR IF THERE IS A WAYNE'S COATING OF A STUCCO TO MATCH THE HOUSE, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK, HAVE A VERY TAILORED LOOK.

AND, UM, THAT'S MY COMMENT.

MR. MR. CHAIR.

UH, IF I COULD CLARIFY SOMETHING.

GO AHEAD SIR.

UM, I JUST WANT TO, UM, CLARIFY THAT IN THE MOTION, I, I DID MEAN MEAN TO SPECIFY THAT THAT PARTICULAR THAT HAD BROUGHT UP TO THE APPLICANT WITH RESPECT TO THE LITTLE WHITE WALL AS AN EXAMPLE.

AND I ALSO, THE PICTURE THAT WAS ON THE SCREEN A SECOND AGO, UH, IT, IT SHOWS THE HIGHEST POINT IN OF THE MOTION WOULD BE 18 INCHES.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT ITEM THAT COMMISSIONER JIMMY WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BY NATURE OF THAT SLOPE REDUCE FROM THAT VERY POSSIBLY TO THE SIX UH, INCHES OR TO EIGHT INCHES OR WHATEVER THAT SLOPE DOES.

BUT THAT THE HIGHEST POINT, THE LONGEST IN THE HEIGHT DIMENSION WOULD BE THAT DIMENSION, NOT, NOT THAT, IT WOULD BE THAT THROUGHOUT.

OKAY, SO IT BEGINS AND THEN WHAT WHATEVER THAT SLOPE IS REDUCES IT SECOND STANCE.

THANK YOU.

FURTHER THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO NAY SAVINO NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE.

MOOKA AYE.

GIDA AYE.

GROUP.

NAY CERVANTES? YES.

HOLLAND NAY, FETZER NAY AND GIBBS NAY.

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MOTION FAILS.

MAY I HAVE A NEW MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE OR A, A MOTION, UH, TO, UH, TO ACCEPT, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

CASTILLO? AYE.

SABINO? AYE.

VELAZQUEZ? AYE.

ZUKA? AYE.

GIANA AYE.

GROUP? AYE.

CERVANTES? NO.

HOLLAND.

AYE.

FETZER AYE.

AND GIBBS? AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

I DON'T KNOW, I, I'M SORRY.

UH, MAY I JUST ASK WHAT THE CURB HEIGHT LIMITATION WILL BE? 'CAUSE THE STAFF STIPULATIONS SIMPLY SAYS IT OCCURRED AND AS YOU JUST EXPERIENCED, THAT WAS NEVER DEFINED.

IS IT EIGHT INCHES? AS WAS STATED, SIX TO EIGHT INCHES IS OCCURRED.

IT WAS NOT STATED IN THE MOTION, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS.

UM, WHEN THAT MOTION WAS MADE AND ACTED ON, I SAW A FEW NODS JUST THEN.

SO, AND WE WILL WORK WITH YOU IF YOU WANNA PROPOSE SOMETHING TO STAFF, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU ON THE SOLUTION.

AND MR. C, MR. CHAIR, JUST FOR THE RECORD, COULD WE GET CLARIFICATION IF THAT'S EIGHT INCHES FROM THE LOWEST POINT OR EIGHT INCHES FROM THE HIGHEST POINT? OR IS THE CURB EXPECTED TO SLOPE OR STAY PARALLEL WITH A LINE OF LEVEL? WELL, UM, STAFF WILL BE WORKING WITH HIM TO KNOW, TO GET THE CLARIFICATION FOR THAT, SO I THINK WE'LL BE GOOD WITH THAT.

I THINK WE HAVE OUR DIRECTION IF, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO WORK WITH HIS, UH, LANDSCAPE CREW OR DESIGNER TO DECIDE IF IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, EIGHT INCHES FROM THE, THE ELEVATION OF THE SIDEWALK OR IF THAT'S GONNA BE TAPERED JUST TO KEEP IT, UM, LEVEL ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE LAWN SPACE, WE CAN KIND OF WORK WITH WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU, CORY.

THANK

[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ]

ITEM NUMBER 10, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

ITEM AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 10 HGRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 26 2 32 CAMARGO.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE ALONG THE NORTH AND EAST PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY WITH A STEEL FRAMED CATTLE PANEL FENCE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A FRONT YARD CATTLE PANEL FENCE TO NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AND FEATURE WOOD FRAMING.

AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A SIDE YARD CATTLE PANEL FENCE TO NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND FEATURE WOOD FRAMING AND PLACE BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

THE APPLICANT, FERNANDO MORALES, IS HERE IN PERSON.

THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW.

UM, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT FINDINGS B THROUGH D.

UM, THIS PROJECT RECEIVED CONCEPTUAL REVIEW FROM THE HDRC ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2023.

UM, AND THE ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY WAS A PART OF ITEM SIX AT THAT TIME, UH, WHICH WAS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE CHAIN LINK FENCE ON THE EAST SIDE.

UM, THE APPLICANT HAS MET THE STIPULATIONS ONE AND TWO.

UM, THEY ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THAT.

UM, STIPULATION THREE, UH, WHICH THE HTRC HAD SAID THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT USE THE WOOD POST AND RAILING FOR THAT CATTLE PANEL FENCE.

UM, FINDING C THIS APPLICATION, UM, OR THE APPLICANT DID GO TO A DRC ON JANUARY 30TH, 2024.

UM, AND DISCUSSED, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WITH COMMISSIONER JIMMY CERVANTES, DR.

KAREN ARD AND JASON VASQUEZ.

UM, THE COMMISSIONER'S PRESENT ASKED THAT THE APPLICANT RETURNED FOR FINAL HGRC REVIEW WITH EXAMPLES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE PROPOSED FENCE.

AND THEN FINALLY FINDING D UM, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE DRIVEWAY GATE IN A PORTION OF THE EASTERN FENCE ON MARCH 27TH, 2024.

UM, THESE SCOPES OF WORK ARE INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT PRESENTATION, BUT THEY ARE NOT, UM, A PART OF THE REQUEST OF THE HDRC.

THANK YOU.

WOULD YOU COME UP, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

TRY AGAIN.

HIT THE BUTTON THERE.

FERNANDO MORALES.

CANDID WORKS.

THANK YOU BRI.

PRESENT YOUR CASE, SIR.

THIS PROPOSAL FOR THE NEW STEEL FRAMED CATTLE PANEL FENCE ALONG THE FRONT AND SIDE YARD OF THE, UM, PROPERTY IS PICTURED IN THE RENDERINGS IN THE PRESENTATION.

UM, AMONG THE VARIETY OF FENCE TYPES PRESENT IN LAVACCA, NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF STEEL FRAMED CATTLE PANEL FENCES CAN BE OBSERVED, OF WHICH ROUGHLY A DOZEN ARE PICTURED IN OUR PROPOSAL PACKAGE.

ALONG WITH THEIR ADDRESSES OF THESE EXAMPLES,

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THESE DEFENSES AT BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES WERE DESIGNED BY OUR OFFICE AND WENT THROUGH THE HDRC APPROVAL PROCESS, TWO 15 BARRERA IN THE EARLY 2010S AND 2 2 4 LAVACCA IN THE TWO THOUSANDS.

WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF THE EXAMPLE AT 2 2 6 CAMARGO, WHICH IS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TO OUR ADDRESS.

UH, PART OF OUR DESIRE TO HAVE A STEEL FRAMED CATTLE PANEL FENCE AS OPPOSED TO WOOD IS TO MATCH THE AESTHETIC ESTABLISHED BY THIS NEIGHBOR, WHICH YOU SEE PICTURED THERE.

UM, IN ORDER TO MATCH THE AESTHETIC ESTABLISHED BY THIS NEIGHBOR AND MAINTAIN A DEGREE OF CONTINUITY ACROSS THE TWO PROPERTIES, WE ALSO WISH TO MATCH THE HEIGHT OF THIS NEIGHBORING FENCE, WHICH IS FOUR FEET, SIX INCHES.

AGAIN, TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY ACROSS THE TWO PROPERTIES.

OUR FEELING IS THAT HAVING TWO ADJACENT FENCES OF THE SAME TYPE BUT OF DIFFERING HEIGHTS MIGHT APPEAR ODD.

THE OTHER, UH, REASON WHY WE DESIRE A STEEL FRAMED FENCE INSTEAD OF WOOD IS FOR THE SAKE OF LONGEVITY AND MINI AND THE MINIMIZATION OF, UH, MAINTENANCE OVER TIME.

STEEL IS NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO ROT, UM, LIKE WOOD IS, AND IF LEFT, UH, AS RAW STEEL FROM THE BEGINNING, IT, IT WOULD NEVER NEED TO BE REPAINTED AND OUR DESIRE WOULD BE FOR IT TO BE RAW STEEL.

LIKE THE EXAMPLE, UH, PICTURED AT RERA.

UM, WE FEEL THE COLOR TONE OF RAW STEEL WOULD COMPLIMENT THE COLOR PALETTE OF THE HOUSE, UM, MOST NATURALLY, WHICH FEATURES WARM BASE STUCCO WALLS AND A DEEP RED COLORED ROOF.

THE FENCE WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, WOULD COVER 100% OF THE MAIN FRONTAGE ON CAMARGO STREET AND ROUGHLY 60% OF THE FRONTAGE ALONG CANAL STREET AS IS DEPICTED BY THE RED LINES ON THE SITE PLAN.

AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION THERE, UH, THE CATTLE PANEL FENCE WOULD TERMINATE WHERE THE WOOD FENCE BEGINS, UH, WHICH IS DEPICTED BY THE BLUE LINE AND IS SHOWN ON THE RENDERINGS ALSO.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS.

THANK YOU.

UM, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

OH, THERE'S A VOICEMAIL, RIGHT? YES.

HI, THIS IS MELISSA SUNDAL WITH THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AT 2 2 4 CAROLINA STREET.

I'M CALLING IN RESPONSE TO AGENDA ITEM 10 FOR ADDRESS 2 3 2 CAMARGO STREET.

TODAY THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A STEEL FRAMED CATTLE PANEL FENCE.

STEEL FRAME CATTLE PANEL FENCES ARE VERY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL TO USE STEEL INSTEAD OF WHAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THESE, THESE FENCES ARE REVERSIBLE ADDITIONS TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT DO NOT DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

JUST A ONE VOICEMAIL.

THANK YOU.

WELL, I'LL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS ON COMMISSIONER GROUP.

YES, THANK YOU.

SO, UM, JUST A QUESTION TO START.

SO SIDE CATTLE YOU OKAY, LOCATION FRONT OF THE, WITH THAT, THE SIX FEET WOULD MORE SO, UM, SO THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING FOR THE STEEL CATTLE PANEL FENCE WOULD BE, UM, CONSISTENTLY FOUR FEET, SIX INCHES.

UM, SO STARTING FROM WHERE THE, UH, THE WOOD FENCES, UH, SHOWN IN THAT RENDERING AND THEN WRAP AROUND, UM, STAFF STIPULATION WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT IF THE APPLICANT, UH, WERE TO, UM, POTENTIALLY DISCUSS A TALLER ALTERNATIVE THAT THE SIX FOOT PORTION, IF CHOSEN DOES NOT, UH, EXTEND PAST THAT FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME AS THE RENDERING IS RIGHT NOW.

THAT WILL BE FINE.

YOUR STIPULATION TOO IS THAT THE SIDE PANEL TO NOT EXCEED SIX FEET AND HIGH, JUST THE SIDE, CORRECT.

THE FRONT.

SO THAT WOULD BE OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S FOUR FEET AND SIX INCHES, SO YOU, ARE YOU TYING INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S POST RIGHT DOWN THE CORNER? ARE YOU USING THAT? ARE YOU GONNA PUT POST RIGHT NEXT TO IT OR NOT TYING IN? WE'D HAVE, UH, THEY'D BE INDEPENDENT STRUCTURES, BUT WE JUST WANNA MATCH THE HEIGHT FOR THE SAKE OF CONSISTENCY.

WHERE DOES IT BE THE TWO HOMES? IS THERE A FENCE RIGHT NOW OR JUST A NEIGHBOR'S FENCE THERE? THERE IS A FENCE.

UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A WOOD PRIVACY FENCE.

UH, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE.

IT'S OBSCURED BY THE, ON YOUR SIDE OR THEIR SIDE OR JUST IN BETWEEN.

COULD YOU HAVE CHAIN LINK ALL THE WAY DOWN? WE, THERE'S CHAIN LINK ACROSS THE FRONT CURRENTLY AND DOWN THE SIDE, UH, THERE IS CHAIN LINK THERE, YES.

ALONG THE NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY.

AND THEN SORT OF AT THEIR PAST GATE, AT THE FRONT, AT THE FRONT WALL OF THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE, I BELIEVE IS WHERE IT CHANGES TO WOOD.

SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE THAT CHAIN LINK THERE? CORRECT.

WE WON'T

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WILL YOU LIKE TIE IT IN SO THAT IT'S ONE CONTINUOUS OR YOU'RE GONNA USE A POST THAT'S EXISTING RIGHT NOW WHAT LOCATION IS? UM, WE, WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE, THE LAST POST OF THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK AND PROBABLY PLANT A NEW, A NEW VERTICAL STEEL POST RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

PERHAPS TIE THE TWO TOGETHER.

UM, THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THERE.

ANOTHER THING WE'VE DONE, WHICH WE DID AT RERA WAS WE, UH, WE DID TAKE DOWN THE CORNER POST OF THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK AND THEN WRAPPED THE STEEL FRAME BACK ROUGHLY 18 TO 24 INCHES, TURNED THE CORNER WITH IT BASICALLY, AND THEN TIED THE CHAIN LINK INTO THE END OF THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THE CORNER WAS STURDY AND TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF FENCE POSTS OCCURRING RIGHT AT THE CORNER.

JUST TO AVOID CLUTTER, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, BUT I WOULD EXPECT SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, IT WOULD LOOK ODD IF YOU HAVE ANY, RIGHT.

I MEAN I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST.

OKAY.

I AM, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION QUESTIONS.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

YES SIR.

UH, STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, YOU SAY INSTALL A SIDE YARD CATTLE PANEL FENCE TO NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.

IS THAT IN LIEU OF THE HORIZONTAL WOOD FENCE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING? CORRECT.

SO THE HORIZONTAL WOOD FENCE, UM, PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT WAS APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

UM, SO IT'S NOT A PART OF THIS REQUEST.

UH, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO CHOOSE, UM, IN THE FUTURE TO, UH, CONSTRUCT A SIX FOOT TALL CATTLE PANEL FENCE, UM, THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD BE, UM, FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW, BUT THE, UH, STIPULATION EXISTS AS IS TO, UM, BASICALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE FENCE WOULD NOT EXCEED SIX FEET.

UM, SO NOT TO HAVE A SEVEN FOOT TALL CONSTRUCTION OR EIGHT FOOT TALL CONSTRUCTION AS AN EXAMPLE.

SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY.

SO THE WOOD FENCE IS ALREADY APPROVED.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CATTLE PANEL AT FOUR AND A HALF FEET FROM THE START OF THE CATTLE PANEL FENCE FORWARD.