* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THINK WE'RE READY. [00:00:03] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, APRIL 17TH, 2024. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FLORES? HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELAZQUEZ GALLOWAY. MOOKA GUEVARA. HERE. GROUP. CERVANTES. HERE, HOLLAND. HERE. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE SOMEONE FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. ES THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RARE IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEETS. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE OF A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, NO ANNOUNCEMENTS. UM, WE JUST NEED, UH, [Approval of Minutes] APPROVAL FOR MEETING MINUTES FROM MARCH 20TH. THANK YOU. SO MOVED. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FLORES? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. MAZUA. AYE. GIDA. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER HERE? OH, YES. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AT [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] THIS POINT YOU CAN, UH, DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE JUST SIX ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, AT THIS TIME WE'LL PLAY PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED. UH, FOR THOSE WE JUST HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM TWO. THIS IS KATE RMAN FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, 1146 SOUTH ALAMO, TWO TEN TWO TWO FOUR SIX ONE SIX THREE. REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 2 4 21 NORTH MEDINA, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE REHABILITATION PROJECT AT 4 21 NORTH MEDINA. WE ARE EXTREMELY PLEASED TO SEE THIS LANDMARK FIND AN ADAPTIVE REUSE THAT SETS A POSITIVE EXAMPLE FOR REVITALIZATION ON THE WEST SIDE BY RETAINING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANNA PULL ITEMS FROM, UH, CONSENT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER THREE, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONS WOULD SUPPORT ANY ITEMS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A, UM, MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER [00:05:01] OF THE AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I MOVE THE REMAINDER OF THE AGENDA BE, UH, APPROVED WITH PER STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. THANK YOU. IS IT MOVED? I PROPERLY SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FLORES? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. MAZUA AYE. GIDA AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 39 PAULO BLANCO STREET, 4 21 NORTH MEDINA, 1210 WEST MULBERRY, 4 34 ADAMS AND 1 47 EAST MISSILE TOW. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. UH, COMMISSIONERS. I'LL NOW PULL UP, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS 300 CONVENT. UM, THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER, MR. THOMAS, FOUGHT, IS ONLINE, UM, JOINING US VIRTUALLY. UH, AND THEN I ALSO HAVE A CLARIFYING DOCUMENT, UH, THAT I CAN PULL UP AS WELL. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF, SIR, AND PRESENT YOUR, UM, UM, BE READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, PLEASE. UH, EDWARD, WHO'S ONLINE? UH, IT'S THOMAS FA, F-O-C-H-T. THANK YOU. THOMAS, ARE YOU THERE? YOU YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE. HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY APOLOGIES. IT WOULD NOT LET ME UNMUTE. UH, YES, THIS IS THOMAS FO WITH A PHINEAS CAPITAL, UM, HERE ON BEHALF OF 300 CONVENT STREET. THANK YOU. THANK COMMISSIONER, PROFESSOR. YES, SIR. UH, QUESTION, UM, IF WE LOOK AT, SAY THE IMAGE NUMBER 14, WHICH SHOWS ONE OF THE SIGNS AND A AND A RENDERING OF WHERE IT WOULD BE PLACED ON THE BUILDING, THE, UH, PRECAST CONCRETE SPANDREL PANEL THAT THE SIGN IS BEING MOUNTED ON. HOW TALL IS THAT PIECE? UH, I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN. UH, VICE CHAIR FETZER, UM, I WAS ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE DESIGN COMPANY AND THEY PROVIDED, UH, GRAPHICS TO, UH, HELP ANSWER THAT. UH, SO, UM, I CAN, UH, READ OFF WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW IF THAT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL, UH, FOR EVERYONE HERE IN THOMAS. UH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE ACTUAL, UH, PRECAST CONCRETE BAND ON THE FACADE IS A TOTAL HEIGHT OF SIX FEET, TWO INCHES. UH, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR EACH OF THE CHANNEL LETTERS TO FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OR A MAX HEIGHT OF FIVE FEET, SIX INCHES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY CONCERN, THAT THE, THAT THE LETTERS DID NOT FIT WITHIN THE HEIGHT OF THE SPANEL PANEL AND, UH, YOU START LOSING SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, DETAIL OF THE, UH, OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO THE FACT THAT THE SIGNS ARE SHORTER THAN THE SPANDREL PANELS, UM, WAS WHAT I WAS, UH, GOING TO TALK ABOUT. THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER. UM, YES, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UM, IT, UH, IT SEEMS THAT THE UDC FOR DOWNTOWN ALLOWS A PRIMARY SIGN NEAR THE TOP OF THE BUILDING WITH ONLY THE NAME OF THE PRIMARY TENANT. AND CA THIS, UH, THIS PROPOSAL HAS FOUR TENANT SIGNS ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE HIGH RISE. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE, UM, CONSIDERATION FOR THAT? YES. DEVIATION. UM, SO I'LL, UH, I'LL START WITH, UH, SLIDE 16. UH, SO TENANT THREE HERE, UM, THAT SIGN IS AT THE VERY TOP OF THE STRUCTURE. UH, SO WHEN THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUY TALKS ABOUT ONLY HAVING ONE TENANT, OR THE PRIMARY TENANT AT THE TOP OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, HOW STAFF IS REVIEWING THIS IS WE'RE LOOKING AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE LEVELS WHERE THE APPLICANTS PROPOSED MULTIPLE TENANT SIGNS. UH, NONE OF THOSE ARE THERE, THERE'S A HIERARCHY. UH, NONE OF THOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH A BAND ALL THE WAY AT THE TOP OF THE BUILDING WITH ONE TENANT. UH, SO, AND STAFF REVIEWING THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AND WE'RE SEEING ONE TENANTS AT THE VERY TOP. UH, AND THEN YOU DROP DOWN APPROXIMATELY 60 OR SO FEET. THERE'S ANOTHER TENANT SIGN, UH, ON AN OPPOSITE FACADE. THERE'S A, THERE'S A TENANT AT A, AT A BUILDING ARCHITECTURAL STEP DOWN. UH, THERE'S A TENANT SIGN THAT'S ON THE PROPOSED GARAGE, UH, AND THEN THERE'S A TENANT SIGN FACING SOUTH. UH, SO IN US REVIEWING THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AND WE'RE SEEING TENANT SIGNS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. UH, WE'RE SEEING TENANT SIGNS THAT AREN'T UNIFORM AND THEY'RE BANDING AT ONE LOCATION ON THE BUILDING. UH, AND IF THE, THE APPLICANT SO CHOOSES, OR THE DESIGNER CHOOSES, [00:10:01] THERE'S A HIERARCHY THAT THEY COULD PUT PRIMARY TENANT, SECONDARY TENANT, THIRD LEVEL TENANT. UH, THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GOT NOTING THAT A PRIMARY TENANT SIGN SHOULD BE AT THE TOP IS JUST TO PREVENT CONFLICTING SIGN BANDS OR A SIGN BAND WHERE YOU HAVE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT TENANTS, UH, AT ONE LEVEL AROUND THE TOP OF THE FACADE. OKAY. AND ALSO, WILL THERE BE, IN THIS, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE MASTER PLAN, UH, SIGNAGE PLAN, BUT IS THERE, ARE THERE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR A MONUMENTAL SIGN WITH MULTIPLE LISTINGS ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS SIGN? UM, I, THOMAS MAY NEED TO ANSWER THIS. I BELIEVE THAT ON THE CONVENT SIDE, THERE ACTUALLY IS A PEDESTRIAN PLAZA THAT HAS AN EXISTING OR PREVIOUSLY HAD A MONUMENT SIGN. UH, IF THE APPLICANT DID COME WITH THE MONUMENT SIGN, WE WOULD WORK THEM TO FIND A SIGN THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. UH, OR IF IT WASN'T, THEN THAT SIGN COULD COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION BUT NOT INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION. YEAH, YEAH. HAVING THE, HAVING THE MONUMENT SIGNED IN THE MASTER SIGN PLAN WOULD BE IDEAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT MAY I HAVE A MOTION? PLEASE, MR. CHAIR RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FLORES? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. MAZUA? AYE. GIDA. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] NUMBER SEVEN, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 1 4 6 314 MUNCIE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, PERFORM REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK, INCLUDING FOUNDATION, REPAIR THE REMOVAL OF NON-ORIGINAL FACADE MATERIALS, INCLUDING VINYL SIDING AND FOAM BRICK AND IN KIND ROOF REPLACEMENT. TWO. REPLACE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR WITH A CRAFTSMAN STYLE WOOD DOOR THREE AND INSTALL COMPOSITION SHINGLE SHAKES BENEATH THE GABLES ON THE EAST, WEST, AND SOUTH. FACADES FORWARD TO PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH BY RAISING THE HEIGHT OF THE NON-ORIGINAL CONCRETE PORCH, REPLACING THE NON-ORIGINAL RIGHT IRON COLUMNS AND CONSTRUCTING A WRAPAROUND PORCH. ELEMENT FIVE, MODIFY THE EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE SOUTH FACADE BY REMOVING AN ORIGINAL GAIN WINDOW OPENING BENEATH THE GABLE AND INSTALLING A SET OF FRENCH DOORS TO BE OFFSET FROM THE GABLE. AND SIX, TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION OF FEATURE A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 332 SQUARE FEET FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. UH, ONE THAT ALL ORIGINAL SIDING SHOULD BE REPAIRED IN KIND AND THAT ORIGINAL ROOF PROFILES AND DECORATIVE ELEMENTS BE PRESERVED WHEN THE ROOF MATERIALS ARE REPLACED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT A DOOR APPROPRIATE FOR THE FULL VICTORIAN STYLE SHOULD BE INSTALLED. THIS DOOR SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFFER REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO PURCHASING INSTALLATION. AND TWO, THAT THE HISTORIC TRANSOM WINDOW BE PRESERVED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF COMPOSITE SHAKE SHINGLE BENE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF COMPOSITE SHAKE SHINGLE BENEATH THE ROOF GABLES. BASED ON FINDING E THERE IS NO INFORMATION AND NO HISTORIC PHOTOS THAT SHOW SHAKE SHINGLES BENEATH THE GABLES OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THE ONE 17 WOOD SIDING PRO PROPOSED FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FACADE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A WRAPAROUND PORCH ELEMENT BASED ON FINDING F WHILE STAFF FINDS THE RAISE RAISING OF THE CONCRETE PORCH AND PRO, EXCUSE ME, AND REPLACEMENT OF COLUMNS TO BE APPROPRIATE. STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED WRAPAROUND PORCH SHOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES OF FINAL COLUMN. DETAILS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE SOUTH BESIDE BY REMOVING AN ORIGINAL, EXCUSE ME, GANG WINDOW OPENING BENEATH THE GABLE AND INSTALLING A SET OF FRENCH DOORS TO BE OFFSET FROM THE GABLE STAFF FINDS A PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW CONDITION BENEATH THE GABLE SHOULD BE RETURNED IF MODIFICATIONS ARE PROPOSED IN THIS LOCATION. AND STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX. THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION BASED AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDINGS G THROUGH H STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING, ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCE THE ADDITIONS EXTENSION TO THE SOUTH BY APPROXIMATELY HALF OF ITS CURRENT LENGTH. TWO, THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM PLAID WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD MEET STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS AS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. THREE, THAT THE GABLE MATERIAL PROFILE [00:15:01] SHOULD MATCH THAT FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS LAP SIDING. AND FOUR, THAT FENESTRATION SHOULD BE ADDED TO EACH BLANK WALL AND IT SIDING THAT THE SLIDING WINDOW SHOULD BE MODIFIED A FEATURE PROFILE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. AND COMMISSIONERS, I APOLOGIZE. UM, I KNOW THAT THE, UH, TWOS AND THREES IN THE RECOMMENDATION ARE OFF THE, THE NUMBERS. UH, PLEASE NOTE THERE ARE SIX ITEMS. SO THE, UH, INDENT NUMBERS IS CORRECT. UH, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I CAN CLARIFY ANYTHING IN THE FINDINGS IF THAT'S NEEDED. UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. O OCHOA IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, AND I CAN, UH, PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS OR HELP, UH, MR. OCHOA, UH, WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION ITEM BY ITEM IF NEEDED. THANK YOU. MR. OCHOA. MAY, UH, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE. UH, DONALD CHO WITH AO DESIGN AND BUILD. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE. WELL, EVERYTHING THAT THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED AND, UH, HAD DENIED, WE TOTALLY AGREE WITH. THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE STILL ASKING IS THAT THE, UM, THE BOARD POSSIBLY TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF LEAVING THE ADDITION AT THE SIZE THAT IT CURRENTLY IS. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE DRAWINGS ON THE SURVEY, WE HAVE NO ROOM TO GO BACK. UM, THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT THE MY CLIENT HAD PURCHASED A WHILE BACK BEFORE I BELIEVE LIQUIDITY BECAME HISTORIC WAS IN THE NOTION THAT THEY AT ONE TIME WILL BE ABLE TO BUILD GOING SIDEWAYS. UM, ONCE IT BECAME A HISTORIC FORCE, THEY HAD TO ABIDE BY THE GUIDELINES, BUT THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY STUCK WITH THE PURCHASE OF THE HOUSE. UM, THE ONLY THAT THEY, THE ONLY THING THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR, UM, NOT NECESSARILY LIFESTYLE, BUT CLOTHING, IF YOU WILL, IS FOR THAT ONE PARTICULAR CLOSET THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. THE, UH, PROPERTY ITSELF, IT EXTENDS, I BELIEVE 11 FEET. UH, STAFF IS ASKING US TO CUT THAT 11 FEET BY HALF, BUT BY DOING SO, IT ELIMINATES STORAGE AREA THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT BOARD ISN'T REALLY CONCERNED WITH WHAT THEIR LIFESTYLE IS INSIDE THE HOUSE. THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE OUTSIDE. BUT, UM, DUE TO THE PROPERTY THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, I FEEL LIKE THEY AM, UM, ASKING FOR THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, SIX FEET, NO FIVE FEET, UM, IS APPROPRIATE. I DO HAVE MY CLIENT WITH ME AS WELL, IF I'M NOT TOO SURE MR. PEREZ WANTED TO SAY ANY WORDS. UM, YEAH. OKAY. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, I'M THE CURRENT OWNER, THIRD GENERATION OF THE HOUSE, SIR. AND YOUR NAME? ANTONIO PEREZ. UH, STEP CLOSER TO THE MIC PLEASE, AND THEN ALSO IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE. UH, MY NAME IS, UH, ANTONIO PEREZ. I'M THE, THE CURRENT OWNER. IT WAS DEEDED TO ME FROM MY MOM WHO RECEIVED IT FROM MY GRANDMOTHER. IT'S, UH, APPROXIMATELY AROUND 900 SQUARE FEET AND WE'RE PLANNING ON STAYING THERE. I'M 65, GONNA BE 65, LOOKING FOR A WALK-IN SHOWER TO ASSIST. WE'RE GETTING RID OF THE TUB. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CLOSET WITHIN THE HOUSE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, CLOSET ROOM AND ANOTHER, UH, RESTROOM, UH, TO TIE IN THAT WAY. 'CAUSE WE PLAN ON, UH, BRINGING MY AUNT FROM, UH, BEVILLE TO LIVE WITH US. SHE'S 85 AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS, AS HANDICAP AND A DA ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE. UM, DID YOU, THAT'S IT FOR YOU, SIR? UH, YES, SIR. OKAY, GREAT. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? UH, YES, THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL. I'LL PLAY THAT NOW. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOISE, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DIGNITY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING ON CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 46. WE AGREE WITH ALL OF O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO CHANGING FENESTRATION PATTERNS AND USING THE CORRECT MATERIAL FOR WINDOWS AND THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. AND WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY SITTING ON YOUR PORCH AND ENJOYING THESE NICE COOL DAYS AND NIGHTS BEFORE IT GETS SO HOT THAT IT DRIES EVERYONE INSIDE, ADDING PEACHES LIKE WRAPAROUND PORCHES WHERE THERE WAS NEVER ONE BEFORE, DOES NOT ADHERE TO OHP GUIDELINES AND SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED. WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEMOLITION NOTES ON SLIDES 19 THROUGH 21. THIS IS NOT ADDRESSED IN ANY OF O HP'S NOTES, AND WE WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON EXACTLY WHAT DEMOLITION IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE SPECIFICALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE REMOVAL OF ALL SIGHTINGS, STUDS, RAFTERS, JOISTS, AND PIERS. WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT SECTION OF THE HOUSE IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR DEMOLITION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. TO CLARIFY THE UH, COMMENT ABOUT DEMOLITION WAS SIMPLY THE APPLICANT'S DEMOLITION PLAN NOTING THE ELEMENTS THAT WOULD BE REMOVED AND THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE FINDINGS FOR THE CORRESPONDING SCOPES OF WORK. SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING IN THE VOICEMAIL? UM, NOPE. JUST SHE SHOULD HAVE SEEN IT IN THERE. THAT'S ABOUT IT. [00:20:01] UM, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, VICE SHERIFF HESTER? YES. UM, SO OTHER THAN THE, UM, THE NOTE FROM STAFF ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE ADDITION, UH, THE CLIENT OR THE, UH, OWNER IS WILLING TO ACCEPT ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, CORRECT? YEAH, WE WERE ASKING FOR IN HOPES OF AND KNEW THAT WE WERE PROBABLY GONNA GET DENIED, SO YES. OKAY. UM, WELL, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. UM, MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. UM, HELP ME FIND THE STAFF IN THE REPORT. UH, DID YOU MAKE ANY COMMENT ABOUT THE NEW ROOF TO THE ADDITION IMPACTING THE REAR GABLE AND THE TRIM ON THE REAR ORIGINAL GABLE? THERE SEEMS TO BE AN, A REALLY AWKWARD, UM, COMBINATION OR INTERSECTION OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ROOF TYPES ALONG WITH AN OVERHANG THAT TAKES, UH, WEST, IT'S CALLED THE WEST ELEVATION, BUT I THINK IT IS THE EAST, THE EAST ELEVATION. UH, NO. UM, ADAM, DO YOU HAVE THE, YEAH, MAYBE YOU COULD TALK, TALK ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE HANDLED. UH, CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE IMAGE? SO CURRENTLY, UM, IF YOU WERE TO GO, ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE A ROOF PLAN ON THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING ROOF THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, IT'S A SLOPE ROOF ON THAT BACK ADDITION. IT EXTENDS EXACTLY AS MUCH AS THIS CURRENT ONE, UH, THE NEW ONE WHEEL AS WELL. UM, THE GABLE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, IT KIND OF DIES INTO, UM, THAT EXISTING SLOPE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE RIGHT NOW. SO I'M, I'M NOT TOO SURE. UM, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION AGAIN? TYPICALLY WHEN WE'LL PUT INTERSECTING GABLE ROOFS MM-HMM. TOGETHER, THERE IS A, A, A LITTLE BIT CLEANER CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO. SO IN THIS CASE, YOU HAVE PART OF YOUR EVE CUTTING OFF AN EXISTING, UM, GABLE AND, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO AVOID THAT FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT AS WELL AS FROM ON ON THE, UM, YOU HAVE IT LABELED AS WEST ELEVATION. IT'S REALLY THE EAST ELEVATION OKAY. ON THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. YEAH. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. IS THERE A WAY TO, UM, THERE IS A WAY, IF I WAS TO EXTEND THE GABLE OUT MORE, BUT IF I WAS TO GO AHEAD AND BRING THAT, IF I WAS TO BRING THE EXIST, I MEAN THE NEW ADDITION, WHAT'S HAPPENING, I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING IS YOU'RE FAVORING THE NEW ADDITION ROOF OVER THE GABLE ROOF AND IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. OKAY. RIGHT. I WOULD, YEAH, I GUESS I'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT I DON'T 90% SURE THAT THERE WASN'T A SOLUTION FOR THAT. THAT'S WHY THAT CAME OUT THE WAY IT IS. BUT I CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AGAIN. THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE GABLE ORIGINAL GABLE. OKAY. FRAMING. YEAH. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? I MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? YES, YES SIR. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT THE ONE REGARDING THE SIZE OF THE ADDITION AND THEN ADD AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION TO, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT TO, UH, SUBMIT TO STAFF A RESOLUTION OF THE, THE TWO GABLES, UH, THE EXISTING GABLE AND THE NEW GABLE ON THE, UH, EAST END OF THE BUILDING. OKAY, WE'LL SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERTY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? AYE, SINA. AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GUEVARA AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ARE YOU ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 49 4 16 WILLOW, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE A SET OF GANGED, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE WITH ONE FIXED WINDOW AND TWO, TO RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION FOR THE PROPERTY AT FOUR 16 WILLOW. UH, FOR CASE HISTORY, THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO THE HDRC ON JULY 7TH, 2021 TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THEIR REPLACEMENT OF 13 EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS. THE APPLICANT RECEIVED APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH [00:25:01] VINYL WINDOWS THAT DID NOT REQUIRE MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS AND WITH WINDOWS THAT FEATURED ALL ONE OVER ONE PROFILES. DURING THE REVIEW OF THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION MATERIALS FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE, STAFF OBSERVED THAT THE SET OF GANGED WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE WERE REPLACED WITH ONE FIXED WINDOW IN VIOLATION OF THE PREVIOUS HDRC STIPULATION PER HDRC CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 0 1. THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO RETURN THE FRONT WINDOW TO THE ORIGINAL ONE OVER ONE GANGED WINDOW CONFIGURATION AS APPROVED PER HDRC CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 0 1 ITEM TWO. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDING D THE PROPERTY WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE ONCE THE PROPERTY COMES INTO COMPLIANCE. IF THE HTRC IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION AT A TIME. UH, WE DO HAVE ONE LETTER IN YOUR FOLDERS AND TWO VOICEMAILS AND THE APPLICANT, FERNANDO FERNANDEZ IS WITH US IN PERSON. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF, SIR. HELLO EVERYBODY. UM, FERNANDO FERNANDEZ. UM, I'M THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY HERE. UM, SO OVER THE YEARS I'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT REHABILITATION, YOU KNOW, OVER $60,000 IN UM, RESTORATION. UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY, UM, I WILL ADMIT THAT I OVERLOOKED, UM, THE STIPULATION OF THE PREVIOUS COA, UM, REGARDING, UM, THE WINDOWS. SO THIS FIXED WINDOW HERE WAS ONE THAT, UM, I DID NOT REALIZE REQUIRED THE SAME STIPULATIONS THAT THE REST OF THE WINDOWS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MISTAKE. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, STIPULATIONS WE'RE ADHERED TO. UM, AND YEAH, THIS IS BASICALLY THE ONLY, UM, PIECE LEFT IN, YOU KNOW, GAINING THAT TAX INCENTIVE FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN PERFORMED. UM, I UNDERSTAND LIKE THESE GUIDELINES ARE IN PLACE TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURE LIKE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE HOUSE. UM, AND YEAH, I'M HERE DEPLETE MY CASE FOR, UM, GETTING APPROVAL FOR THAT. I FEEL LIKE THE, THE FIXED WINDOW, UM, OVERALL COMPLIMENTS THE HOUSE. UM, I DO KNOW THAT THE WINDOWS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ON THE HOUSE WERE NOT ORIGINAL AS WELL. THEY WERE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. SO I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, UH, FRONT WINDOW WAS, UM, ORIGINALLY. BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, FOR YOU TO GO THERE. UM, WE HAVE, UH, DID YOU SAY ONE LETTER AND WE HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS? YOU HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS. I CAN PLAY THOSE NOW, PLEASE. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE 2024 DASH 1 49 4 16 WILLOW STREET. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER. I LIVE AT THREE 19. BARRY LOUISE DRIVE IN SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 0 1. REGARDING THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO RETURN THIS UNAPPROVED LARGE PICTURE WINDOW ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, RETURNING THAT TO THE ORIGINAL GANGED, THREE WINDOWS WITH DOUBLE HUNG, ONE OVER ONE SASH. THAT WOULD LOOK MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AGE OF A HOUSE. AND I WOULD FURTHER RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER HAVING THEM MADE OF WOOD INSTEAD OF VINYL REPLACEMENTS. MUCH MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND THEY WILL LAST LONGER THAN VINYL AND IT WILL SUPPORT LOCAL LABOR. IF YOU HAVE A CRAFTSMAN, MAKE YOU SOME WOOD WINDOWS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOISE, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE D WHITTY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 49. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO KEEP THE LARGE THICK PICTURE WINDOW AND RETURN THE FENESTRATION TO ACCOMMODATE THE ORIGINAL ONE OVER ONE GANGED WINDOW CONFIGURATION. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST APPLICANT THAT HAS REQUESTED TO REMOVE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND REPLACE IT WITH A NON-CONFORMING LARGE PICTURE WINDOW. AND THOSE REQUESTS HAVE BEEN DENIED. AND SINCE THE APPLICANT WAS AWARE OF WHAT THE STIPULATIONS WERE FOR KEEPING THE SAME FENESTRATION PATTERN WITH THE SAME GANGED WINDOW CONFIGURED WINDOW CONFIGURATION FROM HIS JULY, 2021 HEARING, LE AND C SHOULD NOT BE EXTENDED BECAUSE IT WOULD SET A PRECEDENCE THAT COULD BE REFERRED TO FOR FUTURE CASES. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. TWO QUESTIONS. NUMBER [00:30:01] ONE, STAFF. CAN YOU DATE THE PREVIOUS WINDOW THAT WAS THERE BEFORE? NO, WE CANNOT. CAN YOU GIVE A DECADE, SEVENTIES, SIXTIES, SEVENTIES AND SIXTIES. AND THE HOUSE IS HOW OLD? PROBABLY A HUNDRED YEARS. YEAH, IT WAS 1920. OKAY, THANK YOU. SECOND THING, SECOND QUESTION. WOULD PUTTING A DECORATIVE GANG ON THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENT SINCE THE WINDOW IS STILL THE SAME SIZE BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE GANGED APPEARANCE? DOES THAT, WOULD THAT MEET STAFF STIPULATIONS? NO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A FULLY ONE OVER ONE GANGED CONFIGURATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, SIR. BEFORE I LET THE COMMISSIONER SPEAK, UM, DID YOU WANNA ADDRESS ANYTHING IN THE VOICEMAILS? UM, JUST THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO DO WOOD WINDOWS. JUST THE COST OF THAT IS JUST OUTSIDE MY BUDGET. UM, AND AGAIN, LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, I OWN UP TO THE MISTAKE OF OVERLOOKING THAT STIPULATION AND THE ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO DEVIATE FROM THAT. UM, I WISH I WOULD'VE KNOWN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REPLACE IT WITH THE LIKE KIND. SO IF YOU DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT OR DIDN'T MEAN TO OVERLOOK IT, SO THAT, AM I TO ASSUME THAT YOU'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO PUT IT TO WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE? I WOULD, UM, JUST THE COST OF IT. I, I, I DO LIKE THE IDEA THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR ADDING, UM, SOME TYPE OF DECORATIVE, UH, TRIM, UM, TO KIND OF MEET THAT LOOK OF THE GANGED APPEARANCE. UM, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT THE COST IS, YOU KNOW, BE SEVERAL THOUSANDS TO REPLACE THE WINDOW AGAIN. UM, SO YOU ARE, SO I'M, I'M STATING THE OBVIOUS HERE. MM-HMM. , YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. YOU BOUGHT A HISTORIC HOME. MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO, SO THEREFORE WE HAVE GUIDELINES. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU REVIEWED THE GUIDELINES, OKAY. AND BEFORE YOU MADE THAT CHANGE, WHAT, WHAT GUIDED YOU TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE IT FORWARD ANYWAY AND THEN, AND TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU TO TRY TO HELP YOU ALONG? MM-HMM. , YOU ADMIT THAT YOU DID THAT? MM-HMM. . BUT YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO CHANGE BACK TO BE IN CONFORMANCE OF THIS VIOLATION, RIGHT? 'CAUSE NOW YOU'RE CITING THE MONEY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO IF WE GO TO THE EXAMPLE OF WHEN I SUBMITTED THE COA, SO THAT NEXT IMAGE YOU HAVE THERE, UM, I GUESS THE WAY I INTERPRETED THIS WAS I SHOWED A, A CLEAR VIEW OF WHAT I WAS GONNA BE DOING. SO, AND EVEN IN MY DESCRIPTION, I'M GONNA BE REPLACING THE, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING WINDOW WITH THE PICTURE FRAME. UM, AND THEN LIKE WHEN THE APPROVAL HAPPENED AND THE STIPULATIONS WERE DESCRIBED, THERE WAS NO LIKE, DIRECT CALL OUT FOR THAT. IT JUST, IT JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, IT REPLACED WITH THE SAME OPENING, UM, AS, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY. UM, AND MYSELF AS A NEW HOMEOWNER, THERE'S A LOT OF WORDING IN THERE THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, CLEAR, YOU KNOW, TO ME. UM, SO EXISTING OPENING TO ME WAS LIKE, I'M NOT CHANGING THE WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF IT OR ANYTHING, IT'S JUST REPLACING WITH THE SAME O OPENING. SO THAT, THAT WAS LIKE MY INTERPRETATION OF IT. UM, AND AS FAR AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, RES RESORTING IT TO THE ORIGINAL, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING IS JUST, IS JUST THE COST OF I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT DONE, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT COSTS MONEY TO DO THAT. AND AGAIN, LIKE I WISH I WOULD'VE DONE THAT ORIGINALLY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION? I DO, I HAVE JUSTNO, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, TO PREFACE MY QUESTION, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE, UM, YOUR WORK ON THE HOUSE IS, IS COMMENDABLE BECAUSE THIS IS A REALLY, UM, FORMALLY AND A, A GOOD FOLK VICTORIAN, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE BASIC SHAPES, BUT YOU CAN TELL, ONE CAN TELL THAT IT'S BEEN MODIFIED SO TO THE WINDOW, THAT PROPORTION OF THE WINDOW AND THAT LARGE WINDOW IS NOT DOING YOU ANY FAVORS AND REINFORCING THE ORIGINAL STYLE. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UH, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, WOULD YOU BE, UM, OPEN TO REPLACING THOSE WINDOW PIECES IN THE LARGER OPENING AND PERHAPS FINDING A COUPLE OF SALVAGED WINDOWS, SAME SIZE, THE SAME KIND OF DOUBLE HUNG, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FACADE AND INFILLING THAT OPENING WITH DOUBLE TWO DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS FROM A SALVAGE ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE PLACE. UM, COSTS ARE FAR MORE REASONABLE AND VERY, VERY DOABLE WHEN, WHEN DOESN 'EM THAT WAY. SO IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE OPEN TO? UM, YEAH, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT. UM, I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, LESS ENERGY, UH, OR LIKE AS LESS ENERGY EFFICIENCY WITH, WITH DOING THAT, HAVING MULTIPLE OPENINGS. UM, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS WINDOW DID HAVE MULTIPLE OPENINGS AND DURING THE FREEZE OF 2020, [00:35:01] I MEAN THE, THE HOUSE COULDN'T GET COLD. SO, UM, I AM OPEN TO THAT. UH, I JUST FEEL LIKE I WOULD LOSE SOME OF THAT, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENCY SAVING. UM, AS WELL AS, UM, YOU'RE SAYING TO, TO INFILL WITH WOOD IN BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS OR TAKE OUT, TAKE OUT THE, THE WIN THE, LET'S SEE, THE LARGER PICTURE WINDOW. MM-HMM. THAT HAS A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF FRAMING, BUT A LOT OF GLAZING, WHICH IS REALLY THERMALLY, UM, NOT VERY EFFICIENT. RIGHT. AND REPLACE IT WITH TWO WOOD SINGLE HUNG A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS. MM-HMM. SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. OH, I SEE. AND THAT ACTUALLY GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE MATERIAL, MORE WOOD IN BETWEEN THROUGH THE FRAMING AS WELL AS THE TRIM, WHICH MAKES IT ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, UH, THERMALLY RESPONSIBLE. MM-HMM. , ESPECIALLY OVER A LARGE PICTURE WINDOW THAT'S WEST FACING. RIGHT. UM, SO IT WAS JUST A, A THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A, THAT WOULD BE MY QUICK SOLUTION THAT WOULD BE REALLY ECONOMICAL ALSO. OKAY. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? I WILL MAKE A MOTION ONCE I CAN FIND THE FILE. UM, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WINDOW, LARGE PICTURE WINDOW WITH A WINDOWS WINDOW, WINDOWS TO STAFF STIPULATION TO IMPENDING THE COMPLETION OF THAT WORK TO GRANT HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION ON THE PROPERTY. SECOND. AND I'M SUGGESTING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE FALLING DOWN EASY SOLUTION IS TO PUT TWO WINDOWS IN THAT OPENING AND MATCH THE OTHER SIDE THAT WOULD REINSTATE OR COME CLOSER TO THE STYLE THAT YOUR FOLK VICTORIAN IS MM-HMM. MORE SO THAN THE PICTURE WINDOW. AND, UM, IT WILL GIVE YOU OPERABILITY AND THERE ARE LOTS OF SOLUTIONS FOR SHADING ON ANY TYPE OF WINDOW. BUT, UM, AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO DO THAT WORK SO THAT WHEN IT'S COMPLETED AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT, THAT YOU'LL AUTOMATICALLY GET THE STA THE TAX CERTIFICATION VERIFICATION. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT MOTION. GO AHEAD. WOULD YOU ACCEPT, OH, IT, DOES THE MOTION ALSO ACCEPT, UH, 1 0 0 1 2 VINYL WINDOWS LIKE THE REST OF THE HOUSE IF THE APPLICANT DECIDES TO? 'CAUSE I MEAN, YOU WERE MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, UH, REFURBISH WINDOWS, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE, WE HAVE A, IN THE ORIGINAL MOTION WE ACCEPTED THE VINYL. SO WOULD IT BE OKAY IF THE APPLICANT COMES BACK WITH A CONFIGURATION THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT'S EXISTING TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR? UH, I IS THAT IN, I WOULD LIKE TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, UH, STAFF STANDARDS. SO IF HE CAN FIND A VINYL WINDOW ALSO THAT MEANS, OH, THAT IS WHAT I'M TOTALLY DIMENSIONAL IN DISAGREEMENT. CAN YOU BRING UP THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FROM HIS ORIGINAL, WHICH I, THIS IS WHY I ACTUALLY AGREE THAT THE APPLICANT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSED FOR THE HDRC CASE IN 2021. YEAH. OKAY. SO IF YOU GO TO WHERE, YEAH. THE TWO REDDIT SECTION, SO BASICALLY THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION THE APPLICANT RECEIVED. ALL WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE 1 0 0 1 PROFILES. RIGHT. SO REALLY IT JUST SAYS DO NOT MODIFY OPENINGS AND FEATURE 1 0 1. I UNDERSTAND THAT HE DID NOT MODIFY ANY OF THE OPENINGS AND HE DID NOT INSTALL A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE, BUT HE COULD BASICALLY GO IN AND INSTALL A ONE OVER TWO OVER, I MEAN, YOU WON'T FIND ONE ONE OVER ONE THAT BIG MM-HMM. . SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO GO WITH TWO. AND THEN, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN SEE HOW CLEAR THAT IS FOR THE APPLICANT. I MEAN, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO PUT A WOOD, YOU KNOW, WOOD PIECE IN THE MIDDLE. AND SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS, THIS WAS NOT CLEAR LANGUAGE AND FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT IN THIS WORLD EVERY DAY, I UNDERSTAND THE MISCOMMUNICATION HERE. MY, MY, UM, RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE THAT THE STIPULATIONS AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT FOR THE, FOR QUITE A WHILE. SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E. SO THE BACKUP TO THAT RATIONALE APPEARS IN THE FINDINGS A THROUGH E. UM, AM I, AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? WELL, AT THE TIME THE APPLICANT WASN'T REQUESTING A FIXED WINDOW. RIGHT. IT WAS JUST TO REPLACE. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT THAT SPEAKS TO THE [00:40:01] ORIGINAL REPLACEMENT. RACHEL, GO AHEAD. I CAN CONFIRM THAT. YES, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING A FIXED WINDOW AT THAT TIME. YES. I'M SORRY. YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THE FINDINGS DO INCLUDE THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE WINDOWS. YEAH. BUT DID YOU SPECIFY THAT YOU WANTED WHAT YOU WANTED FOR THE FRONT? SO 1 0 0 1 CONFIGURATION? RIGHT. CORRECT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT BEEN INSTALLED, BUT SO I MEAN, WE, WE COULD LET HIM HAVE VINYL WINDOWS OR WOOD WINDOWS. I MEAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT HE ALSO HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO WITH THE SAME WINDOWS THAT HE HAS IN THE REST OF THE HOUSE. SO, CORRECT. IN 2021, THE HDRC DID APPROVE THE INSTALLATION OF VINYL WINDOWS THAT THESE SPECIFICATIONS, MY QUESTION IS JUST IF THE MOTION CAN, DON'T WE HAVE TO SPECIFY THE MATERIAL? SO, AND THE APPLICANT BE RIGHT, I THE STIPULATION IS THE ONE OVER ONE PROFILES VERSUS THE FIX. AND SO THAT'S OUR THINKING. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE COULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO FILL THAT OPENING. IT'S MORE THAN ONE WINDOW IN OUR MINDS. AND SO I AGREE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LAPSE IN COMMUNICATION THERE. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THIS MOTION, WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE ASKING? AND HE WOULD HAVE TO DO A GANG, YOU KNOW, TWO GANG WINDOWS AND PUT SOME WOOD IN THE MIDDLE TO MAKE A CONFIGURATION BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE ALSO SAYING IN YOUR MOTION. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR FOR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. CAN WE, UM, SHOULD I RETRACT WELL THE INTENT IS TO CREATE TWO ONE OVER ONE WINDOW OPENINGS. OKAY. WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. STAFF STIPULATIONS INCLUDES THE WINDOW STANDARDS, WHICH MATERIALITY OR THE MATERIAL IS NOT THE CRITICAL DECISION, YOU KNOW, MAKING THING, IT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF IT MEETS THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS. UM, YOU COULD DO A VINYL WINDOW ALSO. OKAY. I DIDN'T SAY WOOD WINDOW. I DIDN'T SAY A CLAD WOOD WINDOW OR ANYTHING. IT'S THE STAFF STIPULATIONS. OKAY. SO THAT GIVES YOU SOME, SOME LEEWAY. YOU COULD EVEN PUT AN ALUMINUM WINDOW IN IF THE DIMENSIONS MEET STAFF. OKAY. UH, STIPULATIONS OR THE SPECIFICATIONS. SORRY. AND THEN CAN YOU GO TO THAT NEXT IMAGE? UM, SO THIS WINDOW HERE HAD A SINGLE, I GUESS ONE OVER ONE AND TWO FIXED WINDOWS ON THE SIDE. UM, SORRY, THE, THE, THE PREVIOUS, UM, LIKE THE ALUMINUM. YEAH, SORRY, THAT IS THAT ALSO LIKE AN, UH, A POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THE TWO FIXED WINDOWS AND THE SINGULAR SLIDING WINDOW ONE OVER ONE? LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, I COULD GO ABOUT DOING THIS. I'M JUST, UH, AGAIN, LIKE NOT TOO CERTAIN HOW IT SHOULD BE. SO WITH THE WINDOW, SO WITH STAFF IS STATING, OKAY. AND I BELIEVE WITH THE MOTION IS STATING HERE IS THAT YOU TAKE, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT BASICALLY TO PUT IT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, TAKE THAT ONE WINDOW THAT YOU HAVE AND THEN MAKE IT BACK TO TWO WINDOWS. OKAY? MM-HMM. AND PUT IN THAT PIECE IN THE MIDDLE TO DELINEATE, YOU KNOW, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS. MM-HMM. AND THEN I THINK A DISCUSSION HERE BETWEEN COMMISSIONER GROUP AND COMMISSIONER SINO WAS ABOUT THE TYPE OF WINDOW. OKAY. OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE, YOU'RE LEAVING HERE WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OKAY. ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO, WELL I WANNA ALSO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TODAY SAYS APPLICANT REQUIRED A RETURN FRONT WINDOW TO THE ORIGINAL 1 0 1, TO THE ORIGINAL 1 0 0 1 GANGED WINDOW CONFIGURATION AS APPROVED ACCURACY IN CASE NUMBER 2021 IN YEAR 2021. SO THAT'S WHY I GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR 2021. IT IS NOT EVEN CLEAR THERE. SO WHAT ARE WE ASKING THE APPLICANT? BECAUSE HE COULD ACTUALLY GO BACK TO WHAT'S IN THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? MM-HMM, . SO I WANNA MAKE SURE, IS THIS MOTION GOING BACK TO WHAT WAS RECOMMENDING IN 2021? OR WHAT ARE WE RECOMMENDING? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. THE FACTS ARE THAT YOU'RE REPLACING THE FIXED WINDOW. MM-HMM. WITH OPERABLE ONE OVER ONE. I'M SORRY, ONE OVER ONE OPERABLE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW. AND I THINK THAT THERE IS IT THERE MATERIAL IS YOUR CHOICE. THE SUBDIVISION IS YOUR CHOICE. I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME STAFF, HE'D WORK WITH HIM TO, UM, CONFORM TO THE THE WINDOW STANDARDS, WHICH TALK ABOUT MULLIN LOCATION OF MULLIN. CORRECT. SO THAT COULD BE A THREE, UM, THREE [00:45:01] FRAME WINDOW OPENING COULD LOOK LIKE THAT COULD BE TWO. BUT CONSISTENTLY IT'S AN OPERABLE, IT'S OPERABLE WINDOWS. MM-HMM. . OKAY. DOES THAT HELP? SOMEWHAT. I'M, THERE'S SO MANY OPTIONS. I I MEAN I EXACTLY. AND THAT'S THE INTENT. THE INTENT IS TO GIVE YOU THE OPTIONS. OKAY. UM, JUST FOR STAFF. SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR BECAUSE I CAN SEE HOW NOW THINGS CAN BE GETTING A LITTLE CONVOLUTED FOR THE, THE APPLICANT. SO, UM, TO BE CLEAR AND CORRECT ME IF I'M, I'M, I'M OFF HERE, HE CAN RETURN THE WINDOW BACK TO WHAT IT IS THAT THE PICTURE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, HE CAN RETURN THAT BACK TO THAT OR WE CAN, UM, AS THE MOTION STATED, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT INTO THOSE TWO WINDOWS. SO AND SO ARE WE LEAVING THAT OPTION UP TO THE APPLICANT OR DO WE HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC TO SAY YOU HAVE TO DO THIS OR DO THIS? SURE. SO WITH THE MOTION AS STATED, THAT WOULD LEAVE THOSE TWO OPTIONS AVAILABLE. SO EITHER OF THOSE OPTIONS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN LIEU OF THE FIXED WINDOW FOR, FOR LEGAL PUR MOTION TO APPROVE A REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO APPROVE THE RE TO REPLACE A SET OF, TO REPLACE A FIXED WINDOW AND REPLACE WITH ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE TO MEET WINDOW STANDARDS AND PENDING THAT COMPLETION TO RECEIVE HISTORIC CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION. SECOND. IS THAT GOOD? OKAY. ANY FURTHER, UM, DISCUSSION. OH, MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I'M TRYING TO LEAVE THIS OPEN IN A WAY TO GIVE YOU OPTIMUM OPPORTUNITIES TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT FITS YOUR, YOUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT WILL FIT THE HOUSE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THAT'S THE INTENT. OKAY. AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE STAFF CAN HELP. MM-HMM? GET YOU THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FLORES. AYE. SINO? AYE. MOOKA? AYE. KIVA. AYE GROUP? AYE. APPRECIATE CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. ITEM NUMBER NINE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 48 12 31 SOUTH ALAMO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION 35 DASH 6 0 8 G TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED FOR THE REQUEST TO INSTALL A NEW CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY OFF OF SOUTH ALAMO. TWO. SHOULD THE WAIVER BE GRANTED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A NEW CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY OFF OF SOUTH ALAMO FOR CASE HISTORY. THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY IN THE SAME LOCATION AT THE HDRC HEARING ON OCTOBER 4TH, 2023. THE HDRC MOVE THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD UTILIZE THE EXISTING REAR DRIVEWAY LOCATED ON MADISON STREET IN LIEU OF INSTALLING A NEW CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY OFF OF SOUTH ALAMO. PER FINDING C FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS EXPRESSED THAT THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED SINCE THE OCTOBER, 2023 HEARING AND THAT THE REAR LOT WITH THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON MADISON, UH, HAS BEEN OR WILL BE SOLD TO ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER FOR THE RECOMMENDATION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION 35 DASH 6 0 8 G BASED ON FINDING C. SHOULD THE HDRC APPROVE THE WAIVER TO RECONSIDER THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY ON SOUTH ALAMO STREET. BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES ALTERNATIVE DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS THAT DO NOT RESULT IN FRONT YARD PARKING. IF THE HDRC IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE ITEM TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE DRIVEWAY DOES NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH AND THAT THE DRIVEWAY APRON DOES NOT EXCEED 12 FEET IN WIDTH. BASED ON FINDING D THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED MEASURED SITE PLAN AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED CRUSH GRANITE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO THOSE WIDTH STIPULATIONS AND HAS SUBMITTED AN UPDATED SITE PLAN SINCE THE AGENDA WAS [00:50:01] PUBLISHED. WE DO HAVE TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION IN YOUR FOLDER AND ONE VOICEMAIL. AND THE APPLICANT MIKE LYNN MAURICIO IS WITH US IN PERSON. HELLO, MY NAME'S MIC MAURICIO. THANK YOU. PLEASE PRESENT YOUR CASE. UM, SO I MEAN BASICALLY WE ARE JUST LOOKING TO GET A DRIVEWAY OFF OF SOUTH ALAMO TO ACCOMMODATE THE FRONT OF THE HOME, UM, AS THERE'S ONLY ACCESS TO THE FRONT OF THE HOME THROUGH SOUTH ALAMO, WHICH IS WHERE THE FRONT OF THE HOME IS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE MUD ROOM, UH, FOR AN ADDITION. AND THEN, UM, ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, NOT THE ADDITION. THE FRONT DOOR ALSO LIES THERE. UM, IF YOU GO ONTO THE BACKSIDE OF MADISON, THAT'S A MASTER BEDROOM AND UH, REALLY DOESN'T MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE TO HAVE ACCESS THERE ANY LONGER. UM, THEREFORE THE PROPERTY WAS SUBDIVIDED AND WILL BE SOLD WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND, UH, NO LONGER GRANTING ACCESS TO THE BACKYARD. UM, IN REGARDS TO, I KNOW, UM, WE, SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED, UH, TO MAYBE LOOK AT GUNTHER AS AN OPTION, WE DID LOOK AT GUNTHER. THERE'S DRAINAGE THERE, UM, THAT I GUESS THE, THE CITY WOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE ONLY PLACE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THAT DRIVEWAY. UM, BUT THE ENTRYWAY FROM SOUTH ALAMO WOULD BE RECESSED IN SIGNIFICANTLY AND THEN GIVING THAT 12 FOOT APRON, 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY, WE WOULD BE WITHIN THE, THE GUIDELINES OF THAT. SO YEAH, JUST LOOKING TO GET SOME ACCESS TO THE FRONT OF THE HOME LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER HOME WOULD HAVE AND MAKE IT KIND OF MAKE SENSE FOR THE FUTURE HOME BUYER. IS THAT IT? YOU GOOD? YES, SIR. PERFECT. UM, CAN I, UM, PICK A VOICEMAIL PLEASE? THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY 1146 SOUTH ALAMO TWO TEN TWO TWO FOUR SIX ONE SIX THREE. REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 9 12 31 SOUTH ALAMO, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES GRANTING A WAIVER OF THE ONE YEAR REQUIREMENT FOLLOWING A DENIED PERMIT FOR THE CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY AT 1231 SOUTH ALAMO. WE CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THE CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE PROPERTY ALREADY HAS ACCESS FROM MADISON STREET. ON PAGE TWO, SUBSECTION C OF THE FINDINGS, IT ASSERTS THAT THE PROPERTY ITSELF HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED AND REPLANTED EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS ASSERTION. IF THE PROPERTY WERE SUBDIVIDED AND A SECOND HOUSE ADDED ON MADISON STREET, SUCH ACTION WOULD HARM THE STREET'S HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, PARTICULARLY REGARDING SETBACKS. FOR ALL THESE REASONS, WE URGE YOU TO DENY THE WAIVER AND DENY THE PERMIT. AGAIN. THANK YOU. AND THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADJUST THE VOICEMAIL? NO, IT'S OKAY. I MEAN IT'S ALL RIGHT. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER GROUP, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE UPDATED SITE PLAN? UH, IF YOU CAN PULL IT UP. SO YOU SAID YOU WERE SUBDIVIDING THE LOT. CAN YOU SHOW US OR KIND OF EXPLAIN WHERE IS THE DIVISION? YEAH, THERE SHOULD BE, UH, ON THERE TO SHOW, UM, THAT IT WAS SUBDIVIDED AND THEN IT, UH, STILL REMAINS WITHIN THE RM FOUR BY BEING AT 0.092 ACRES, WHICH IS AROUND A LITTLE OVER 4,000 SQUARE FOOT. AND WHAT IS YOUR PLAN WITH THE, UH, IT'LL BE SOLD OFF TO ANOTHER INVESTOR TO YEAH, SO THE WHOLE THING HERE, PROBABLY MY OTHER QUESTION STAFF IS, I MEAN IF IT BECOMES SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE, UM, THEN I MEAN AUTOMATICALLY THEN THEY LOSE THAT ACCESS. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN ACCESS PROBLEM UNTIL EITHER THEY FENCE OR PUT A HOUSE, WHICH ALSO HAS TO GO THROUGH US. RIGHT. OF COURSE. THE MEANTIME THAT'LL BE THEIR PROBLEM. . WELL, IN THE MEANTIME, YOU, WE KEEP THE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH MADISON. I DON'T SEE THAT, I MEAN IT'S NOT EVEN A BIG ENOUGH LOT IS IT TO BUILD ANYTHING? YEAH, IT, IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE RM FOUR GUIDELINES TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SETBACKS FROM THE 1231 HOME AND THEN FROM THE STREET IT WOULD STILL GIVE THE PROPER AMOUNT OF SPACE TO BUILD SOMETHING. YES, MA'AM. WELL, I MEAN, UH, CAN [00:55:01] WE GO BACK AGAIN TO THE UPDATED SITE PLAN AND WHY IS THE DRIVEWAY NOT ALL THE WAY AGAINST? MAYBE FURTHER, BECAUSE I MEAN, I DO AGREE STAFF HAS A POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE FRONT SIDE FRONT PARKING, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, YEAH, THERE'S NOT EVEN, I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU CAN PARK ON SOUTH ALAMO. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A DRIVEWAY IN ORDER TO PARK THERE LIKE ALL THE OTHER HOUSES THERE. BUT CAN YOU MOVE THE DRIVEWAY FURTHER TO THE RIGHT, FURTHER TO GOING, UH, FROM THE HOUSE? UM, YEAH, I MEAN WE WOULD STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE TO DO THAT FOR SURE. FROM THE FENCE LINE OF THE OTHER PROPERTY, CORRECT. UP AGAINST THE FENCE LINE. UM, I THINK THERE STILL HAVE TO BE A SETBACK OR LIKE A, SOME KIND OF SPACE THAT I WOULD HAVE TO MAYBE LIKE A FIVE FOOT SPACE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH, YOU KNOW, TEXAS CURB CUTS OR WHOEVER'S GONNA DO THAT DRIVEWAY AND STUFF. BUT I MEAN THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO IF, UM, IF NECESSARY BECAUSE I MEAN THAT PROPERTY GOES OUT ALL THE WAY TO THAT FENCE AS YOU CAN SEE. I'M SORRY, I'M POINTING IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION. UM, BUT YEAH, IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THERE. SO KIND OF WHERE THAT BIG PALM TREE KIND OF THING IS. WE CAN DEFINITELY MOVE IT FURTHER THIS WAY IF THAT WOULD, UM, MEET Y'ALL'S STIPULATIONS. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. MR. CHAIR, DO YOU MIND IF I ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION? GO AHEAD SIR. UM, IS THE HOUSE THAT'S BEING REHABILITATED FOR SALE CURRENTLY, UH, IT'LL BE ON THE MARKET IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. SO IF YOU HAD A BUYER COME UP, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THEY WOULD REQUEST TO KEEP BOTH LOTS AS PART OF THEIR OFFER? YES, WE ACTUALLY HAD SOMEONE CALL THE OTHER DAY AND REQUEST THAT AND JUST AS AN OPTION INSTEAD OF IF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SELL IT BEFORE THEN, WHICH WE'RE KIND OF ALREADY IN A NEGOTIATION PROCESS, IF THEY BASICALLY OUTBID, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. AND SO THAT'S OUR THINKING COMMISSIONERS IS THIS IS A LITTLE PREMATURE. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO MARKET THE EXISTING PARKING AS AVAILABLE TO A BUYER WHO WANTS JUST THE HOUSE AND NOT THE BACK PART, BUT WE'RE NOT AT A POINT YET TO WHERE THERE'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP AND A, AN ACCESS ISSUE FOR THE, FOR THE ALAMO PROPERTY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE THINKING BEHIND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, SIR, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS WHETHER WE APPROVE A WAIVER FOR LESS THAN ONE YEAR COMING BACK FOR THE APPLICATION, CORRECT? WITH THE, WITH THE NEW INFORMATION BEING THE, UM, PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AND UM, THE EVIDENCE OF A DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS NOT A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ENTITY THAT YOU'RE STILL INVOLVED IN WHATEVER THAT LLC THAT'S INCLUDED ON THE QUICK CLAIMS. WOULD I BE IN NO, I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THAT LLC AT ALL. THAT'S NOT MINE. THEN HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO SELL BOTH PROPERTIES AT THE SAME TIME? I'M NOT GONNA SELL, I'M NOT GONNA SELL BOTH. SO I, UH, LIKE TECHNICALLY STILL OWN BOTH BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, UH, THERE'S BEEN NO PAYMENT. IT'S JUST TO SAY LIKE, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS SUBDIVIDED SO THAT WAY THEY'RE GUARANTEED TO NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN THEIR BACKYARD OR IN IN THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEN DENYING ACCESS TO THE FUTURE OWNER OF 1231 SOUTH ALMO. QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION. WELL, UH, I GUESS MY CONTENTION THAT WE DON'T ACCEPT THE WAIVER IS THAT, UM, YES, IT MAY BE SUBDIVIDED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN PLATTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY. UM, THERE'S NOT A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS WHERE THE NEW PROPERTY LINE IS IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, WHETHER THAT CONFORMS WITH, UH, REQUIRED SETBACKS. UH, SO, UM, I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE WAIVER AND UM, THEN IF YOU DO SELL THE OTHER PROPERTY, UH, THEN COME BACK WITH, WITH SOMETHING ELSE, UH, ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THE DRIVEWAY, EITHER CLOSER TO THE, UH, FENCE LINE ON ALAMO OR MORE INFORMATION ON THE, UH, HAVING A CURB CUT IN BACKYARD PARKING OFF OF GUNTHER. SO I, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, UM, IF I SHARE, UM, IT WAS SOME OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE. YES. JUST, JUST VERY, VERY QUICKLY, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR YOUR NEIGHBORS? I MEAN, HAVE THEY INPUTTED ON YOU SPLITTING THIS THING UP AND PUTTING ANOTHER, ANOTHER CURB CUT ON THE BACKSIDE THERE? NO. YOU HAVE NOT COORDINATED WITH ANYBODY AND GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN THE VOICEMAIL THAT WE HEARD TODAY? NO. I MEAN LIKE, LIKE HAVE I TALKED TO PEOPLE AROUND THE AREA? YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE. LIKE, UH, 1311 THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY'VE HAD A CURB CUT, I THINK IT WAS IN 2014 OR SOMETHING AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE. AND I KNOW ONE OF THE LETTERS HAD STATED SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, IF THERE WAS A NEW HOUSE IT WOULD KIND OF MESS WITH A HISTORIC THING OR WHATEVER. BUT THEN YOU GO TO 4 2 6 MADISON, I MEAN, THAT'S A DIFFERENT HOUSE TOO. LIKE, UM, I THINK THE CURB CUT. I DON'T KNOW, I I DON'T TECHNICALLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE ISSUE WITH IT, [01:00:01] BUT I DO, UH, I I DO JUST WANNA MAKE IT WORK SO THAT WAY, I MEAN, LOGICALLY TO PUT PARKING ON THE BACKSIDE OF A HOUSE THAT ONLY HAS ENTRANCE TO A MASTER BEDROOM IS KIND OF IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO KIND OF NAVIGATE THAT. WELL THAT IS, THAT'S THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THAT PROPERTY FOR SURE. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SENSE THAT IT MAKES RIGHT THERE. OKAY, QUESTION. GO AHEAD SIR AND THEN I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. YOU, SO JUST FOR CLARITY, IT'S NOT SOLD RIGHT NOW. THE WHICH 1231 OR THE EITHER ONE FUTURE? NO, NOT YET. OKAY. I'M READY TO MAKE A QUESTION. JUST ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. GO AHEAD. WHEN YOU WENT TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION BEFORE, WAS THE INTENT ALWAYS TO SELL THE BACK PROPERTY FACING MADISON? NO, NOT REALLY. IT WASN'T THE, THE MAIN INTENT WAS TO JUST GET THE PROPERTY SOLD HOWEVER IT LOOKED, IT DIDN'T REALLY MATTER. UM, ONCE WE STARTED PUTTING THE ADDITION TOGETHER AND DOING THE REMODEL INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, THE LAYOUT OF THE HOME DIDN'T ALLOW FOR, FOR THINGS TO MAKE SENSE WITH LIKE PUTTING THE KITCHEN ANYWHERE ELSE OR, OR KIND OF ADDING STUFF IN IN THE HOUSE. UM, SO WE PUT THE MASTER BACK THERE TO GIVE IT THAT SPACE. THAT'S WHAT THE ADDITION WAS THAT WE HAD. UM, THE KITCHEN'S NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO ENTRY THERE 'CAUSE NOW THE ENTRY'S A MASTER. UM, BUT ONCE WE KIND OF KEPT MOVING FORWARD IT WAS JUST LIKE, WHY DON'T WE JUST SUBDIVIDE IT? WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE AND YOU KNOW, AS BUILDERS THAT JUST KIND OF TRYING TO MAKE MONEY, UM, WE FOUND THAT WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE BY JUST DIVIDING IT UP AND GETTING RID OF IT. OKAY. JUST SO, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, SO THEN AFTER THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THE DRIVEWAY BE COME FROM MADISON, YOU STILL MADE THE DETERMINATION TO SUBDIVIDE AND SELL OFF THE MADISON SIDE OF THE LOT, RIGHT? YES SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. ALRIGHT, YOU READY FOR THE MOTION? SURE. YES. I WOULD UM, MOVE FOR DENIAL OF THE WAIVER. SECOND MOVE. I PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FLORES? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. ZUKA AYE. EVA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 HCIC CASE 2024 DASH 1 35 5 29 DIVINE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN APPROXIMATELY 400 SQUARE FOOT CAR PUT WITH WOODEN POST AND A STANDING SEA METAL SHED. ROOF. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE DETACHED CARPORT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE MASKING OF THE CARPORT BE REDUCED SO THAT THE FIRST PHASE ELIMINATED AND THAT THE CARPORT IS NO MORE THAN 20 FEET IN LENGTH AND SHOULD BEGIN BEHIND THE FIRST SET OF GANGED WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. BASED ON FINDING B, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED MEASURED SITE PLAN TO STAFF OR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL THE SAND STEAM METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEEMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HEIGHT A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH. OR A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH. PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT SATION OR CORRUGATION. RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMP RIDGE CONFIGURATION. NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED. ALL HUMANLY FLU AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MUST BE PRESERVED. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND ATTAIN A VARIANCE BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IF APPLICABLE. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, REGINA KIMES, IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY TODAY. IN PERSON TODAY. HI, I'M REGINA QUINONEZ VIA THANK YOU. PLEASE PRESENT YOUR CASE. SORRY. OKAY. UM, SO WE, UM, HAVE NOT BEGUN WORK ON THIS. UM, WE DO AGREE TO THE STIPULATIONS AND, AND ALL THE MATERIALS. WE JUST ASK THAT WE BE ALLOWED TO MAKE THE CARPORT 30 FEET SO THAT WE CAN COVER BOTH OF OUR VEHICLES, WHICH STARTS, UM, IN BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS OR THE, THE FIRST SET OF WINDOWS. SO IN BETWEEN THE FIRST SET AND ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS EXACTLY 30 FEET. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, . ALRIGHT. AND JUST TO CONFIRM, WE HAVE NO VOICEMAILS CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. UM, I, SORRY, I DO HAVE TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THE [01:05:01] PROCEDURE SO I WASN'T ABLE TO SUBMIT THEM IN TIME. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, FROM THE DRAWING, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, IT'S A, A SHED ROOF AND SLOPES FROM YOUR HOUSE TOWARDS YOUR PROPERTY LINE. YES. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. UM, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THIS WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? UH, BECAUSE DUMPING WATER ON YOUR, POTENTIALLY ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY IS NOT ALLOWED. UM, SO WE DO HOW WOULD YOU PLAN TO PUT GUTTERS ON THAT SIDE? YOU COULD PUT A GUTTER ON THAT SIDE. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE TO PUT THAT IN THE DRAWING, BUT YES. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, I THINK STAFF MAY HAVE THIS RIDE ABOUT 20 FEET, UM, MAXIMUM IN FRONT OF THE, THE GATE. UM, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO PUTTING, UH, A CARPORT IN FRONT OF THE GATE FOR ONE CAR AND BEHIND THE GATE FOR THE OTHER CAR SO THAT THE ONE SHED IS BEHIND IS IN THE BACKYARD? YES. WE, IT'S NOT ALL IN THE FRONT. WE ACTUALLY, UH, DO PLAN TO MOVE THE GATE SO THAT BOTH OF OUR CARS ARE IN FRONT OF THE GATE. OKAY. SO IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO MOVE THE GATE, UH, WOULD THE LOCATION OF THE CARPORT, COULD IT CONFORM TO WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS IS BEHIND THAT, UH, PAIR OF WINDOWS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? I'M SORRY. OKAY. IF YOU COULD GO TO PHOTO SEVEN, I GUESS. YEAH. IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO MOVE THE GATE FURTHER TO THE BACKYARD. MM-HMM. , WELL THEN COULD THE CARPORT MOVE BEHIND THAT FIRST SET OF WINDOWS ON THE SIDE? UM, IT COULD, WE JUST, IT, IT WOULD LEAVE US A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, EXPOSURE. SO WE ARE ASKING THAT WE START THE CARPORT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, PICK THE TWO WINDOWS RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. AND THE, THE, THE GATE IS GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE HOUSE, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , MR. CHAIR, THERE'S OFF AHEAD. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. UH, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR DRAWING, THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWING OF THE, OF THE CARPORT. MM-HMM. AND HOW IT COORDINATES WITH YOUR SITE PLAN. UM, SO FROM ON ONE SIDE IT'S 10 FEET FROM THE GROUND BOTTOM OF THE POST TO THE TOP OF THE POST, OR IS THAT THE TOP OF THE ROOF COVER? THAT'S THE TOP OF THE, THE POST. AND THEN WHAT, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GO ABOVE THE ROOF SENSE? WELL, THE ROOF COVER OF THE CARPORT, IT'S A SHED. SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS HOW THICK IS THE STRUCTURE THAT GOES FROM ONE SIDE, ONE POST TO THE OTHER POST, AND THEN WHEN YOU PUT YOUR, UM, ROOFING MATERIAL ON THAT SHED CARPORT? MM-HMM. , WHAT IS THAT DIMENSION? BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT FITS UNDER THE EVE OF YOUR HOUSE. MM-HMM. BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A VERY, VERY TIGHT FIT AS IT'S SHOWN ON THE SURVEY. UM, YOU HAVE THE CARPORT BUTTING UP TO THE, TO THE EXTERIOR WALL OF THE HOUSE. MM-HMM. YOU STILL HAVE AN EVE AND ROOF EVE TO CONTEND WITH RIGHT. AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS. OKAY. WHAT IS THE OVERALL HEIGHT? HAVE YOU, BECAUSE THE DRAWINGS REALLY DON'T SHOW THAT. RIGHT? UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF MY HUSBAND'S AREA. SO SORRY, I'M NOT SURE, BUT WE COULD, UM, FIND OUT FOR YOU AND PUT LIKE A MORE DETAILED PICTURE THAT COULD SHOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE. UH, MY GUESS WOULD BE IT, IT'S GONNA BE A TWO BY FOUR OR WHATEVER THAT, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIGGER. YEAH. NOT SURE. SORRY, , JUST MR. CHAIR. GO AHEAD MA'AM. JUST FOR STAFF, YOU ARE OKAY WITH A 30 FOOT IF IT STARTS FURTHER DOWN STAFF, I MEAN YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THE CARPORT TO START AFTER THE FIRST SET OF WINDOWS? CORRECT? SO YOU'RE SAYING 20 FEET JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT, YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THE CURRENT CARPORT REPLICATION RIGHT NOW IT'S ENDING AT THE GATE, AT THE END OF THE HOUSE, CORRECT? RIGHT. SO IT WOULD START BEHIND THAT FIRST SET OF GAINED WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE AND THEN, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE APPLICANT GET THE 30 FEET IF IT GOES BEYOND, I MEAN PERHAPS RIGHT. SENDING THAT UPDATED PLAN FOR US TO REVIEW. AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT MR. CHAIRMAN WAS ASKING. SO REALLY IS JUST IF WE COULD APPROVE A 30 FEET JUST AS LONG AS IT STARTS BEHIND THE FIRST SET OF WINDOWS, SO YOU COULD GET THAT 30 FEET STILL, BUT IT HAS TO START RIGHT BEHIND THE FIRST SET OF WINDOWS. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER FETZER WAS ALLUDING TO WORDS. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'LL BE OKAY WITH? UH, YES. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM [01:10:01] THE COMMISSION? NOT MAY HAVE I MOTION PLEASE GO AHEAD. SO, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE THE CARPORT AS REQUESTED WITH STIPULATION TWO AND THREE AND THAT THE, UM, CARPORT DOESN'T START UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST SET OF WINDOWS BEHIND THE FIRST SET OF WINDOWS. YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. IT BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GROUP? NO. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF. WOULD YOU REQUIRE SOME, UH, MORE DETAILS ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SHED ROOF STRUCTURE SO WE KNOW HOW TALL THE, THE HORIZONTAL FRAMING MEMBERS ARE AND WHETHER THE, UM, THE SHED ROOF WILL FIT UNDERNEATH THE EXISTING, UM, OVERHANG? SURE. YEAH. SO ONCE WE GET, UM, THIS GOING, WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT A STIPULATION THAT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN BE SUBMITTED AND SHOW THE DETAILS FOR THE ROOFING ELEMENTS FOR SURE. WELL, AND IT WOULDN'T HURT TO INCLUDE IT IN THE MOTION. I WILL, YEAH. I'M OPEN TO INCLUDING THAT AND I SAW ACTUALLY IN ONE STIPULATION, THE ONE THAT I REMOVED, I WOULD SAY, UM, IT SHOULD BE THERE. SO STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED MEASURED SITE PLAN AND DETAILS OF THE CORPORATE STRUCTURE. MR. AND CONCUR CONCUR. THANK YOU. FURTHER DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FLORES? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. MAZUA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 38 3 31 FOR DRIVE. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, EXTEND THE SECOND STORY ADDITIONS NORTHERN WALL BY THREE FEET TO THE NORTH TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD SHAKE SIDING WITH A SIX INCH 1 0 5 WOOD SIDING OR A SIMILAR PRODUCT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDINGS A AND E STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D AND FINDING F STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REPLACE THE WOOD SHAKE, SIDING AND KIND THE PROPERTY OWNER, BO GARCIA IS HERE VIRTUALLY. THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THE FOLLOWING BEFORE THE REQUEST IS HEARD. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS B THROUGH D ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 2024, THE H THE HGRC REVIEWED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR IN-KIND VINYL SIDING REPLACEMENT AND DENIED THIS REQUEST. THE APPLICANT'S CURRENTLY REQUESTING A REPLACEMENT OF THE WOODSHAKE SIDING WITH AN ALTERNATIVE WOOD SIDING PROFILE. ON APRIL 11TH, 2024. STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT TO DETERMINE THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING WOOD SHAKE, SIDING, AND OBSERVED WATER AND TERMITE DAMAGE ON A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE EXISTING SIDING AND FRAMING IN KIND WHOLESALE, EXCUSE ME, IN KIND WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OF THE WOOD SHAKE. SIDING IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. IS THE APPLICANT. YEAH. MR. GARCIA, ARE YOU THERE? YEP, I'M HERE. SORRY, I WAS HAVING TROUBLE UNMUTING. PERFECT. UM, YEAH, SO AS YOU, UH, AND THANKS EVERYONE, UH, YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURES, UH, MY ORIGINAL REQUEST. MS. GARCIA, ONE MOMENT PLEASE. UM, FOR YOUR REC, UM, FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE. OH, I'M SORRY. THIS IS BO GARCIA. THANK YOU GUYS, SIR. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, YEAH, SO AS, UH, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS RECALL OR WHOEVER WAS ON THE CALL LAST TIME. I, I CAME AND REQUESTED TO RE UH, REPAIR THE VINYL SIDING SINCE THAT WAS DENIED, THEN I WENT AHEAD AND TOOK OFF THE VINYL SIDING. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IN SOME OF THIS PICTURES, UM, WELL, ONE, UM, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY DOESN'T HAVE ANY SHAKE SIDING AT ALL. IT'S JUST, UH, UM, PLYWOOD. UM, TWO, THE SECOND STORY, UM, [01:15:01] HAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIDING, UM, DIFFERENT MATERIAL. I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S WOOD. I BELIEVE IT'S COMPOSITE OF SOME SORT. UM, UM, ADDITION TO THAT, UH, WHERE YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DARK SPOTS IN THOSE PICTURES, MAJORITY OF THAT, UH, NOT ONLY THE SIDING, BUT THE FEW PLACES WHERE THERE IS ACTUAL PLYWOOD UNDERNEATH THE SIDING, THAT'S COMPLETELY ROTTED. SO WE NEED TO, UH, GO AND REPLACE THAT. UM, OTHER SECTIONS, UM, OF THE ACTUAL SIDING DOESN'T HAVE ANY PLYWOOD UNDERNEATH. SO, AND, AND AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S WATER DAMAGE TO NOT ONLY THE, THE SIDING ITSELF, BUT ALSO THE FRAMING SO THAT ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. UM, AS MENTIONED, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT TERMITE DAMAGE ALL AROUND THE PROPERTY. UM, AND WELL, UH, THE FEW SECTIONS, UH, LIKE THE PICTURES I'M SEEING HERE NOW, UH, WHERE THE SIDING LOOKS TO BE IN DECENT CONDITION, THE PROBLEM THERE IS THAT WHEN THE VINYL SIDING WAS INSTALLED ON TOP OF THE SHAKE, THEY USED REGULAR SIZED NAILS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN SOME OF THE, ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT I, THAT I INCLUDED, UH, WHICH MEANT THAT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF, UH, THE SHAKE SIDING IS EITHER CRACKED DOWN THE MIDDLE OR FULL OF HOLES. UM, SO IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S QUITE A BIT OF A CHALLENGE TO, UM, REPAIR ONCE I'M DONE. REMOVING THE SECOND STORY SIDING, ONCE I'M DONE REMOVING THE, UM, SHAKE SIDING WHERE THERE IS EITHER TERMITE DAMAGE OR WATER DAMAGE, UM, I'M PROBABLY GONNA END UP HAVING A VERY, VERY SMALL SECTION, UM, OF THE PROPERTY THAT'LL HAVE, UH, SALV SALVAGEABLE SIDING. UM, UH, BECAUSE OF ALL OF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MY IDEA, MY INTENTION IS TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, REPAIR THE PROPERTY AS YOU KNOW, UH, WELL AS IT CAN BE REPAIRED AND, AND, AND HAVE A PROPERTY IT CAN LIVE IN FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS OR WHATEVER, UH, SHAKE SIDING BEING WOOD, IT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT ROTS OR WHATEVER. BUT, UH, IN THIS CASE IT'S JUST MORE THAN THAT. IT'S TERMITE DAMAGE, IT'S WEATHERED, IT'S THE, I BELIEVE IT'S OVER A HUNDRED YEARS, UM, DAMAGE FROM INSTALLATION, THE VINYL SIDING. SO ALL THOSE THINGS MAKE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO REPAIR IN KIND SOMETHING THAT I'M GONNA END UP WITH PROBABLY 10% OF, OF THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING TO, TO BEGIN WITH. UM, AND SO I'M, I'M ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING LIKE, UM, OR SOME SORT OF WOOD SIGHTING. UM, MAINLY BECAUSE OF BUDGETARY REASONS. UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE I WASN'T ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE, THE VINYL, UM, REPAIR OR, OR TAKING THAT OFF, UM, IT'S PUTTING ME WELL OVER, UM, YOU KNOW, $15,000, UH, OVER BUDGET. IF I HAVE TO GO AND REPLACE IT WITH SHAKE, UM, THAT WOULD PUT ME WELL OVER $40,000 OF, UM, MONEY THAT I DON'T HAVE. SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE THAT'LL ACTUALLY ALLOW TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DECENT HOME THAT I CAN LIVE IN. UM, SO THAT'S THE SIDING. UM, THE EXPANSION FOR THE MOVING OF THE WALL. UM, THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH THAT IS THE STAIRCASE GOING TO THE SECOND LEVEL. ONCE YOU GO TO THE VERY TOP OF THE STAIRCASE, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A COUPLE PICTURES IN THERE, UM, YOU'RE BASICALLY IN THE BATHROOM AND BLOCKING HALF OF THE DOORS FOR THE TWO ROOMS UPSTAIRS. SO FOR, APPARENTLY FOR CODE REASONS, I CAN'T HAVE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A HAZARD. UM, THE OTHER OPTION THAT I WAS GIVEN WAS TO GO AHEAD AND PUSH THE STAIRCASE FORWARD, BUT THAT'LL MEAN THAT I WOULD AT THE BOTTOM IN ORDER TO KEEP IT A CODE, I WOULD BE BUTTED AGAINST, UM, THE FRONT WALL. UM, THERE WAS SOME MUD ROOM THERE THAT, THAT I WAS TRYING TO ENCLOSE, WHICH WAS ALSO DENIED. SO IF I BUMP, IF I MOVE THE STAIRCASE FORWARD, I WOULD BE BUMPED AGAINST THAT, THE, THE MUD ROOM, WHICH WON'T, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. SO THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE, MOVE THE OTHER, UH, THE, THE WALLS BACK IN THE SECOND, SECOND FLOOR SO I CAN HAVE A LITTLE MORE ROOM. THE BATHROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR ALREADY HAS, UM, VERY LIMITED SPACE. UM, ACTUALLY EXACT TWO, I THINK I HAVE ABOUT FIVE INCHES TO PLAY WITH, SO I CAN ACCOMMODATE A SINK, UM, THE SHOWER AND, UH, A TOILET. SO I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THAT BATHROOM TO DO ANYTHING IF I WAS TO MOVE THOSE WALLS ANY, ANY FURTHER. UM, SO YEAH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. [01:20:01] UM, THROUGH YOUR VOICEMAIL PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, CASE 2024 DASH 1 38 3 31 FUR DRIVE. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF NPNA AND THE 10 MEMBER NPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO INVEST IN THE HOME AT 3 31 FUR. THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC SIDING SHOULD BE RETAINED TO ENHANCE THE FLATTENED FACADE, GIVING IT INTEREST IN TEXTURE. THE 1 0 5 RUNNING BOARD SIDING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ALTERNATING COURSING AND TEXTURE OF THE EXISTING WOOD SHINGLES. THE WOOD SHINGLES ARE A UNIQUE AND CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SHOULD BE CELEBRATED. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE AND FOR ITEM TWO FOR THE APPLICANT TO REPLACE THE WOOD SHAKE SIDING IN KIND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO TO STAFF RIGHT THERE ON THIS PICTURE, SO REPLACING KIND WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE ORIGINAL, BUT ON THE EX ON THE ADDITION, WHICH IS NOT ORIGINAL, YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE PRODUCT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED TODAY? CORRECT. KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND, AND ON THE SECOND EDITION, IT'S ALSO NOT ORIGINAL. IT WOULD BE OKAY TO REPLACE WITH THE PRODUCT PRESENTED TODAY? CORRECT. SO IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO MATCH, UM, A 1 0 5 OR SIMILAR PROFILE CITING FOR THE ADDITIONS, BOTH THE FRONT AND THE SECOND STORY EDITION, THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. UM, IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO, UM, FURTHER, UH, DISTINCTIVELY MARK THAT THEIR ADDITIONS, UM, OTHER THAN THEIR JUST THEIR REPLACEMENT, THEN THAT'S A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD AS WELL. UM, IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO, UH, DO WOOD SHAKE SIDING ON THE ADDITIONS AS WELL, THAT'S ALSO, UM, SOMETHING THAT, UH, OKAY. STAFF CAN LOOK AT ADMINISTRATIVELY TRYING TO, AND THEN, SO BASICALLY WE'RE REQUESTING FOR THE WOOD SHINGLE TO BE KIND OF PART OF THE HOME, WHICH WOULD BE THE FRONT AND THEN MAYBE THE APPLICANT. CAN YOU ANSWER WHICH SIDES OF THE HOME WOULD BE, YEAH, IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE. SO BASICALLY THE FRONT LEFT PART OF THE HOUSE AND THEN THE LEFT SIDE. YEAH. SO IF I MAY, UH, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE FRONT PICTURE. THE OTHER ISSUE IS IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT, THE LITTLE GATE THAT'S SITTING THERE, THAT PIECE THAT'S HANGING, EXACTLY THAT PIECE THAT'S HANGING ON THE FAR LEFT, THERE IS A BEAM INSIDE OF IT. THAT BEAM IS COMPLETELY ROTTED. IN FACT, IT'S NOT EVEN ATTACHED TO THE GROUND ANYMORE. SO THAT WHOLE SECTION IS JUST HANGING OFF THE HOUSE. IN ORDER TO REPLACE THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND GET RID OF ALL OF THAT SHAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS PROBABLY WHERE THE SHAKE IS A LITTLE BETTER, IN BETTER CONDITION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE THE BOTTOM, UH, TWO TO THREE FEET. SO THE LITTLE SECTIONS THAT IT'S WELL OR SALVAGEABLE I HAVE TO REPLACE BECAUSE, OR I HAVE TO GET RID OF BECAUSE I NEED TO REPLACE THE, THE, THE, THE FRAMING OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. UM, IS, YOU SAID IT'S PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, SO IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD BE ABLE TO REUSE AGAIN. CAN WE LOOK AT, SO WHICH SIDE OF THE HOME? SO THE BACK WILL NOT, OKAY, I CAN SEE. SO HERE, THERE'S SOME SHAKE RIGHT THERE, AND THEN ON THE BACK IT WOULDN'T, RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA DISAPPEAR. AND THEN CAN WE LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE? OKAY, SO THERE'S SUB YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE SOME SHADE THERE. YEAH, I'M JUST RIGHT. SO HERE, IF YOU SEE RIGHT BELOW OR AT THE, THE, ON THE CORNER, ON THE VERY LEFT, IF YOU CAN SEE ALL THE, THE, THE BROWN SECTIONS THAT IS EITHER THE SHAKE IS, IS COMPLETELY ROTTED OR THERE'S TERMITE DAM DAMAGE. UM, ON THE INSIDE, SINCE THERE IS NO PLYWOOD, THE SIDING IS ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE, TO THE FRAME OF THE HOUSE. UM, THE FRAME ON THE INSIDE IS ROTTED, SO ALL OF THAT, OR TERMITE DAMAGE OR BOTH. SO THAT WILL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT OFF. UM, IF YOU SEE UNDERNEATH THE AC UNIT, UH, KIND OF THE SAME THING THERE. AND THEN ON TOP, IF YOU SEE THE SECOND FLOOR, THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF SH UH, SHINGLE, UH, EXCUSE ME, SIDING. IT'S NOT EVEN, UH, SHAKE OR, UH, WOOD MATERIAL THE ENTIRE SECOND [01:25:01] FLOOR. SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY WHEN I SAY THAT ONLY VERY, VERY SMALL SECTIONS WOULD, WOULD BE SALVAGEABLE. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, ONCE I REMOVE ALL THE NAILS, UM, I STOPPED TRYING TO PULL 'EM OUT. UM, OR THE CONTRACTOR MYSELF, WE STOPPED TRYING TO PULL 'EM OUT. BUT EVERY, BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE PULL THEM OUT, SINCE THEY'RE REGULAR SIZED NAILS ARE NOT STAPLES, UM, THEY BASICALLY CRACKED MAJORITY OF IT. OR IF WE PULL 'EM OUT, IT, IT, IT CRACKS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE BECAUSE IT'S SO WEATHER, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG. RIGHT. CHEF ZER? UH, YES. A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, WOULD A COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT REPLICATED THE LOOK OF THE SHAKE SHINGLES BE, UM, ACCEPTABLE PER THE GUIDELINES? I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS TO ME. I MEAN, POTENTIALLY IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. UM, THE THING IS THEY'RE EXISTING, UM, SOME MAY BE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION, IT MIGHT BE A FULL REPLACEMENT. AND IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, GUIDELINES ALLOW GUIDELINES TRADITIONALLY RECOMMEND IN KIND, BUT THEY ALSO ALLOW FOR SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS THAT ARE SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE AND TEXTURE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND SO IF THERE IS A PRODUCT THAT CAN MIMIC KIND OF THE BANDING AND CHANGES IN COURSE DEPTH AS THE EXISTING SHINGLES, THEN THAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE. UM, BUT THAT WOULD'VE TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN DO ADMINISTRATIVELY. OKAY. UM, I WILL NOTE THAT THERE ARE HARDY SHINGLE PRODUCTS THAT WOULD NOT BE A MATCH VISUALLY. UM, WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE IS THEY'VE JUST TAKEN PLAIN HARDY SHEETS AND HAVE CUT THOSE INTO SHINGLES. AND SO THAT COULD BE CUSTOM AND DONE TO MATCH. AND IT'S PRETTY VISUALLY SIMILAR, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CUT A BUNCH OF HARDY, YOU RUIN A BUNCH OF SAW BLADES. SO IT'S JUST A, IT'S A DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE. SO POTENTIALLY IF, UH, PULLING OFF ALL THE, UH, EXISTING WOOD SHAKES, UH, ALLOWED FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SALVAGEABLE MATERIAL, REUSABLE MATERIAL THAT COULD BE CONCENTRATED IN SAY THE FRONT FACADE, UH, OR THE, UM, THE MOST VISIBLE FACADES, AND THEN SOMETHING THAT REPLICATED THAT OUT OF A DIFFERENT MATERIAL COULD BE POSSIBLE POTENTIALLY. I, I DO THINK AS YOU BEGIN TO PULL THESE OFF, THEY'RE GOING TO CRACK. UM, SO I THINK WE WOULD JUST WANT TO SEE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO TOUCH BASE AGAIN AFTER THAT ATTEMPT IS MADE AND SEE IF THAT'S FEASIBLE. YEAH. 'CAUSE I DO THINK THAT THE CEDAR, CEDAR SHAKES IN THIS PATTERN ARE VERY CHARACTER DEFINING AND IT, IT WOULD BE A, A SHAME TO LOSE, UH, THE MATERIAL AND THE PATTERN OFF. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU WANNA DO A MOTION SO WE CAN NO, YOU GO AHEAD BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, COMMISSIONER, WELL THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR, CAN I, CAN I MAYBE SUGGEST OH, YES, SIR, IF IT HELPS. SO IF THERE IS, IF I'M ABLE TO GO AND TAKE ALL OF IT OFF AND I'M ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH SALVAGE MATERIAL, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH, IF THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE FRONT, THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE, THE FRONT SECTION, I, I MEAN, I THINK I CAN FIND A WAY TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT IN THERE. AND AS WELL AS, I MEAN, SHAKE IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE, SO IT MIGHT WORK A LITTLE BETTER WITH MY BUDGET IF I'M ABLE TO GO AND DO THAT JUST FOR THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO MAINTAIN THAT LOOK IN THE FRONT AND THEN B, BE ALLOWED TO GO AND USE THE MY ORIGINAL, UH, UH, SUBMIT FOR, UM, ANOTHER TYPE OF WOOD SIDING ON THE SIDES AND THE BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, I'LL ATTEMPT A MOTION AND WE'LL WELCOME ANY AMENDMENTS. UM, IT WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE SECOND FLOOR EXTENSION AS PROPOSED. UM, AND, UM, LET'S SEE, HOW DO I PRAY PHRASE THIS, THAT THE, AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING WOOD SHAKE SIDING BE, UH, SALVAGED, UH, AND REVIEW WITH STAFF WHAT HAS BEEN SALVAGED AND REUSABLE AND THAT THAT MATERIAL, UM, BE CONCENTRATED FOR REINSTALLATION ON [01:30:01] THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND, UH, DOWN DOWN THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WITH THE LITTLE GATE. UM, DO WE HAVE A ELEVATION OF THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WINDOWS THAT WE COULD GO TO? OKAY. IF WE GET, IF WE GO AT LEAST PAST THE, UH, FIRST WINDOW AROUND THE, ON THE SIDE ELEVATION WITH THE SALVAGE MATERIALS OR WOOD SHAKES, SHINGLES TO MATCH THE, UM, EXISTING, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TO REPLACE, AND THEN THE BALANCE OF THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, THAT HA CURRENTLY HAS THE SHAKE, SINK, SHAKE SHINGLES, UH, WOULD HAVE A, UM, EITHER WOOD SHAKES TO MATCH OR A, UH, COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT MATCHES THE DIMENSIONS AND PROFILES SO THAT THE BANDING MATCHES THE HISTORIC PATTERNING. I'LL SECOND JUST MAYBE JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION. YES. SO YOU WANT SALVAGE THE FRONT AND AS MUCH AS YOU CAN PAST THE FIRST WINDOW OR ACTUAL WOOD SHAPE SHINGLES PAST THE WOOD FIRST WINDOW, OR CAN IT ALSO BE ANYTHING PAST THE FRONT CAN ALSO JUST BE A REPLICATE? WELL, I THINK THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO COME DOWN THAT SIDE ELEVATION WITH WOOD SHAKES, WHETHER THEY'RE SALVAGED OR WHETHER THEY'RE, WHETHER THEY'RE NEW MATERIAL. UH, THAT LITTLE GATE IN THAT, UH, FREESTANDING COLUMN IS CHARACTER DEFINING AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE OUT OF THE, THE ACTUAL WOOD SHAKES. OKAY. SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT FRONT FACADE AND THAT WALL THAT CREATES THAT GATE ON BOTH SIDES WITHOUT INCLUDING THE WINDOW, I JUST DON'T WANNA HAVE TO CREATE LIKE A, LIKE A, LIKE A, THIS IS MAX AREA, LIKE ONE A WALL, ONE LENGTH OF A HOUSE WITH TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS. OKAY. THEN NOW MY, COULD WE ACCEPT MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THE FRONT FACADE AND THE, UH, BOTH SIDES OF THE WING WALL WITH THE GATE SHALL BE EITHER SALVAGED WOOD SHAKES OR ACTUAL WOOD SHAKES REPLACEMENT? YEP. I'LL SECOND ACCEPT THAT QUESTION. GO AHEAD. JUST A QUESTION ON THE MOTION. IF, UM, THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE SUCH THAT THE, THE AMOUNT OF SALVAGE SHAKE ISN'T SUFFICIENT, DOES THE CASE HAVE TO COME BACK HERE OR IS THERE A NO, I THINK WORKING WITH STAFF. OKAY. UH, THEY CAN, UH, WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND AND SEE HOW MUCH MATERIAL IS ACTUALLY SALVAGEABLE. UH, BUT WHAT WOULD BE PUT BACK WOULD BE WHATEVER IS SALVAGEABLE PLUS SUPPLEMENTED BY UH, NEW WOOD SHAKES. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THAT MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, FLORES? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. KIRA. AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.