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GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
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PATIENCE.I WILL NOW CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER ON APRIL THE 19TH AT 9 0 1.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE HAVE ROLL CALL FLORES.
HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM AT THIS TIME.
AT THE MOMENT THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS THE ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JUANITA OLA CHAIRWOMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JASON VASQUEZ.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THIS BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMIT FOR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEPART DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ANY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANY PERSON PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO AN ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR OR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
SPEAKERS FOR THE OPPOSE TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP AND YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE ASSIGNED FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY, MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL OF THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APP.
APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN USED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES STAFF.
YOU HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? YEAH.
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ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM MARCH 22ND.I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING, OF THE MEETING MINUTES.
ANY COMMENTS, AMENDMENTS, OR RECOMMENDATIONS? HEARING NOW? CAN WE TAKE A ROLL CALL FLORES.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.UM, WE HAVE JUST ONE ITEM ON CONSENT.
UH, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THAT ITEM.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? THERE IS A MOTION.
WE NOW HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 4 0 3 FLORIDA, YOUR REQUEST HAS BEEN APPROVED, YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING.
AN HDRC COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 BUSINESS DAYS.
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NEXT ITEM, ITEM TWO[ INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ]
HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 18 1 16 WEST SUMMIT.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE SEVEN EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS.
AS YOU'LL SEE IN FINDING B STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT ON APRIL 9TH, 2024, AND OBSERVE THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS DAMAGED AND PEELING OR CHIPPING PAINT.
ONE BROKEN CORD WATER DAMAGE DETERIORATED WOOD ELEMENTS INCLUDING DETERIORATED EXTERIOR MUONS AND WOOD ROTT OR WARPING AT THE JOINTS.
THE WINDOWS DO NOT SHOW SIGNS OF SIGNIFICANT WOOD ROTT WOOD DAMAGE OR SEVERE DETERIORATION.
AND FEWER THAN 50% OF THE WINDOW ELEMENTS ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR.
STAFF FINDS THAT THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ARE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH E STAFF FINDS THAT THE WINDOWS ARE REPAIRABLE.
ANY WINDOW ELEMENTS THAT ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR MAY BE REPLACED WITH IN-KIND MATERIAL MATCHING A MATERIAL DIMENSION PROFILE AND FINISH.
IF THE HDRC IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
AND THE APPLICANT, EMILY SALMONS, IS WITH US IN PERSON, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT YOUR QUEST.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF PELLA SOUTH TEXAS AND REPRESENTING THE HOMEOWNERS CHARLES AND BECKY KURBO.
UM, THEY HAVE REQUESTED THE REPLACEMENT OF THE SEVEN, UM, WINDOWS FOR, UH, WOOD ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS DUE TO THE EXTENT OF THE WATER DAMAGE, ROAD NOISE AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROBLEMS. UM, SO I'M JUST HERE, I GUESS, REPRESENTING THEM ON THEIR BEHALF.
BUT THOSE WERE THE, UH, ACTION ITEMS THAT THEY REQUESTED FOR THE, UM, REPLACEMENT.
I'LL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
MADAM CHAIR, WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM.
UM, I LIVE AT THREE 19 MARY LOUISE DRIVE, AND I AM HERE TO SUPPORT WOOD WINDOWS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS AWARE, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY OFTEN VERY AFFORDABLE TO REPAIR AND RESTORE EXISTING HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS.
AND WHEN I SAW THE PUBLIC DOCUMENTS WITH THE QUOTE FROM PELLA, I WAS VERY SURPRISED AT THE QUOTE.
UM, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE HER AND OTHERS AWARE THAT IT IS, UH, VERY AFFORDABLE TO CONSULT FOR WINDOW RESTORATION.
BUT I REALIZE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SAN ANTONIO MAY NOT BE AWARE OF SUCH SERVICES THAT EXIST.
UH, THEY LAST WOOD WINDOWS RESTORED CAN LAST ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS VERY EASILY, WHICH IS A LOT LONGER THAN A VINYL WINDOW OR AN ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOW.
BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS AND, AND MAKE MY SERVICES KNOWN TO THIS APPLICANT OR ANY OTHERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PURSUING RESTORATION.
IS THAT ALL, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE FLOOR AND I'LL START TO MY RIGHT, PLEASE.
OH, MS. SALMONS, YOU ARE, YOU'RE REPRESENTING PELLA, RIGHT? PELLA AND THE HOMEOWNER? YES, SIR.
DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'VE, UM, CONTEMPLATED REPLACING IN KIND THE WINDOWS OR, I AM.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY PREFER THE ALUMINUM CLAD, BUT ARE YOU AWARE THAT THEY'VE DONE ANY LOOKING INTO REPLACING KIND? I'M NOT, NO.
I MEAN, JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE, THEY ARE FULLY WOOD WINDOWS JUST WITH THE ALUMINUM CLADDING ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE UNITS.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO MY LEFT.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, DO YOU, I'M PREPARED FOR A MOTION.
UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
WE NOW HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OH, I WILL TAKE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
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AND VELA.ITEM THREE, ITEM THREE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 51 2 21.
CLAUDIA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAY WITH PAVERS AND INSTALL PAVERS TO MATCH AT THE SIDEWALK.
AND TWO, INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL WROUGHT IRON FRONT YARD FENCE WITH THE DRIVEWAY GATE.
AS YOU'LL SEE IN FINDINGS, UH, B THROUGH D, UH, STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WALKWAY MATERIAL INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES PER GUIDELINE.
FIVE A THREE FOR SITE ELEMENTS STATING THAT THE HISTORIC ALIGNMENT, CONFIGURATION AND WIDTH OF SIDEWALKS AND WALKWAYS SHOULD BE FOLLOWED AND REPLACEMENT MATERIAL SHOULD MATCH EXISTING.
AND C FOR THE SIDEWALK INSTALLATION, YOU WILL SEE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A SIDEWALK, UM, IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY AND CURRENT, CURRENTLY THERE'S PERMEABLE SURFACING, UM, PER GUIDELINE FIVE A FIVE FOR SITE ELEMENTS.
STAFF SITES THAT THE REMOVAL OF THE WALKWAY MAT AND SIDEWALK MATERIAL SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THE IMMEDIATE INTERSECTION WHEN RAMPS ARE ADDED.
TO ADDRESS A DA REQUIREMENTS, PUBLIC SIDEWALK SHOULD REMAIN ACCESSIBLE.
STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSAL INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND FINDS THAT A FULLY CONCRETE SIDEWALK THAT MEETS ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE FRONT DRIVEWAY GATE INSTALLATION AND FINDING D UH, YOU WILL SEE THAT, UM, PER OUR POLICY GUIDE FOR FENCES, VEHICLE GATES SHOULD NOT, SHOULD BE SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL POINT OF THE HOUSE AND SHOULD NOT SPAN A FRONT ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY UNLESS THE SITE FEATURES ONE OF THREE ATYPICAL CONDITIONS, INCLUDING A, A WRAPAROUND PORCH, BA NARROW DRIVEWAY LESS THAN 10 FEET WIDE, OR C FRONT DRIVEWAYS, ABUTTING REAR YARDS OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
THE APPLICANT HAS EXPRESSED THAT THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS LESS, LESS THAN 10 FEET WIDE.
HOWEVER, AT THIS TIME, STAFF HAS NOT REVIEWED DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THAT THE SITE MEETS ONE OF THREE ATYPICAL CONDITIONS, MEANING THAT, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY DOES NOT PREVENT PARKING BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL.
PLANE RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT WALKWAY AND SIDE REPLACEMENT OR SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE FRONT WALKWAY IS REPLACED TO MATCH THE EXISTING AND MATERIAL CONFIGURATION FOOTPRINT DIMENSIONS AND FINISH BASED ON FINDING B.
AND UPDATED SITE PLAN AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA TWO, THAT THE NEW SIDEWALK INSTALLATION IS FULLY CONCRETE AND MATCHES THE SURROUNDING PUBLIC SIDEWALK AND MATERIAL CONFIGURATION FOOTPRINT DIMENSIONS AND FINISH BASED ON FINDING C AND UPDATED SITE PLAN AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND ITEM TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATE BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE DRIVEWAY GATE IS INSTALLED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE AND THAT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN IS SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND TWO, THE GATE AND FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14.
AND THE APPLICANT JUDGE JAN, IS WITH US IN PERSON TODAY.
UM, I DID PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE DRIVEWAY AS REQUESTED SHOWING THAT THE WIDTH WAS APPROXIMATELY NINE FOOT THREE INCHES.
SO I'M ASKING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE, UH, AUTOMATIC GATE DUE TO THE, UH, DRIVEWAY BEING LESS THAN 10 FEET WIDE.
AND THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE, UH, CASE MANAGER.
IN INSTALLING THE GATE BEHIND THE FACADE WOULD, IN ORDER TO SECURE THE FRONT WOULD REQUIRE PUTTING THE, THE FENCE, ANOTHER FENCE ON THE INTERIOR, WHICH WOULD NOT ALLOW A, A CAR DOOR TO OPEN.
UH, IT'S TOO NARROW AND WITHOUT THAT FENCE ALONG THE SIDE WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY NOT LOCATED, UM, THERE'LL BE NO SECURITY.
IT'D JUST BE OPEN REGARDING THE, UH, WALKWAY AND THE SIDEWALK.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CASE MANAGER.
I HAVE A COMBINATION OF MATERIALS FOR THE WALKWAY.
UM, IF IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNER TO REPLACE THE SIDEWALK, UM, HA HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO REPLACE THE, WITH THE LIKE MATERIAL AS THAT'S WHAT I'VE HAD SINCE ONLY THE PROPERTY FOR APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS.
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I WANNA NOW OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND I'LL START TO MY, TO MY LEFT THIS TIME COMING THIS WAY.UM, MAYBE RACHEL, YOU CAN, SO THE MEASUREMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED IS AT THE APPROACH 10 FOOT THREE, BUT THEN IT OBVIOUSLY NARROWS AS YOU GO BACK INTO THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? DID YOU MEASURE THE YEAH.
IT SHORTEST DISTANCE AT THAT POINT? YEAH, SO I MEAN, IT GOES FROM, THAT'S THE ENTRY TO THE DRIVEWAY.
IT DOES EXPAND TO ABOUT NINE FOOT SIX, THEN IT NARROWS BACK DOWN TO ABOUT NINE FEET AT THE VERY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE BACK END OF THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO, UH, YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO PUT A, A NEW FENCE OR DIFFERENT FENCE, LIKE I COULDN'T FIND THE PICTURE THAT YOU WERE, SO IF YOU GO TO THE PLANS, UH, RACHEL ON THE, UH, GO UP ONE MAYBE, UH, WELL YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE, SO WHERE THE BLUE LINE IS ON THE PICTURE, SIR, IF I DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A FENCE ON THE WEST SIDE, SO IF I PUT A GATE BEHIND THE FACADE IN ORDER TO SECURE THE FRONT SO THAT YOU CAN'T JUST WALK UP THE DRIVEWAY INTO THE FRONT OF MY PROPERTY, I NEED TO PUT A GATE THERE.
UH, THAT'S WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS SENT TO ME.
BUT IF I DO THAT WHEN I, YOU PULL A CAR AND YOU CAN'T OPEN THE DOOR FULLY WITHOUT HITTING THE FENCE, THAT, THAT'S JUST THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, STAFF'S NORMAL RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU WOULDN'T GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE TO INCLUDE THE GATE.
YOU WOULD TURN AT THE DRIVEWAY AND KIND OF TERMINATE WHERE THE HOUSE IS, BUT BECAUSE THE NARROW DRIVEWAY SPACE, HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO KIND OF GET IN OUT OF HIS CAR BECAUSE THE FENCE WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, I DO THINK THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS PRO, THE DRIVEWAY GATE IS PROBABLY PERMISSIBLE, UH, BUT BECAUSE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ALREADY FINALIZED BEFORE WE RECEIVE THAT DOCUMENTATION, IT HASN'T CHANGED.
BUT JUST YOU HAVE THAT CONTEXT NOW.
SO CORY CLARIFYING IS BECAUSE HE PROVIDED TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE IRON GATE BEHIND THE SIDEWALK IS WHERE YES MA'AM.
BEHIND THE SIDEWALK, BUT PROVIDING THE CONCRETE TO MEET THE LIGHT MATERIALS IN ORDER FOR YOU TO HAVE A GATE THAT OPENS SIDEWAYS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? YES, MA'AM.
AND AGAIN, INITIALLY IN THIS I DIDN'T HAVE A SIDEWALK, SO I WAS JUST REPLACING THE MATERIAL THAT WAS THERE.
AND THEN I GOT THE REQUEST THAT THE SIDEWALK NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
RACHEL TOLD ME THERE'S SOME, UH, SERVICE THE CITY MAY PROVIDE THAT WILL HELP YOU REPLACE YOUR, YOUR SIDEWALKS.
I JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME TO DO THAT.
AND COURT GO TO THE SITE PLAN.
I, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
LIKE OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU WANTED TO COME IN WITH PAVERS INTO THE SIDEWALK SPACE.
AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH NORMAL SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY BECAUSE WITH THE CITY OF THE SIDEWALKS, WE MAKE SURE THAT A WHEELCHAIR CAN GO DOWN IT.
AND SO WE'RE ENCOURAGING YOU TO LOOK AT THE CITY'S REIMBURSEMENT OR RE UH, YEAH.
REIMBURSEMENT, UH, UH, PROGRAM, UH, FOR SIDEWALK INSTALLATION.
THAT WAY WE CAN GET A COMPLIANT SIDEWALK.
NOW, CORY, BASED ON THAT, HE CAN HAVE THE GATE THAT WILL OPEN SIDEWAYS.
IS THAT CORRECT, RACHEL? IF WE PUT, IF HE'S A ABLE TO PUT THE, THE IRON GATE, THE IRON FENCE RIGHT BEHIND THE SIDEWALK, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WANTING, SIR? YES, MA'AM.
WHERE THE, WHERE THE DASH BLACK LINE IS RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S WITHIN STANDARDS AND HISTORICAL CODE? CORRECT.
SO THE, THERE WAS NO ISSUE WITH THE OPERATION OF THE GATE, IT WAS THE LOCATION OF THE GATE AND THE LOCATION THAT'S APPROVED IS WHERE THE BLACK LINE IS? CORRECT.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE FRONT DRIVEWAY GATE CROSSING THE FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND WITH EVIDENCE THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PARK BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN COMPLY WITH? YES, MA'AM.
DOES THAT STILL HAVE TO GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AFTER THIS, CORY? OR IS THIS IF WE APPROVE IT, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S ALLOWABLE BY CODE.
MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AM I CORRECT? 'CAUSE IT WAS, THE NEW INFORMATION WAS AFTER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WERE WRITTEN.
AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT? OKAY.
SO WILL WE, WILL WE SUBMIT AN AMENDMENTS TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THIS OR ARE WE REQUESTING AMENDMENTS TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE IT
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SO THE CA CAN APPROVE THE FRONT DRIVEWAY GATE AS REQUESTED? OKAY.SO I JUST WANNA GO DOWN THE LIST TOO.
SO THE, THE FRONT WALKWAY REPLACEMENT, YOU'RE OKAY, UH, WITH CONCRETE RATHER THAN THE PAVERS PROPOSED? YEAH, IF, IF THE WALKWAY AND THE SIDEWALK NEED TO BE CONCRETE OKAY, I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND THEN, UM, SO THEN WHEN I GET TO ITEM D, THEN THE MOTION WOULD STATE, UH, TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
IS THAT CORRECT? NOT NECESSARILY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO APPROVE THE DRIVEWAY GATE AS SUBMITTED, CORRECT? YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD APPROVE DRIVEWAY AS SUBMITTED? YES.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE I COVERED ALL OF THE ITEMS HERE.
BUT THAT'S FOR ITEM TWO, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO A MOTION COULD BE ITEM ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, RIGHT? AND ITEM TWO AS SUBMITTED.
SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH ITEM ONE AND THEN ITEM TWO WOULD BE USING? YEAH.
OKAY, MADAM CHAIR, UH, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM ONE WITH STIPULATIONS, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, APPROVE ITEM TWO, UH, AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
ITEM FOUR H CTAP CASE 20 24 1 31, UM, 3 0 2 LAVACCA STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR AND SIDELIGHT CONFIGURATION WITH THE WOOD DOOR IN PLACE OF THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING A, I MEAN FINDING BA REPLACEMENT DOOR WITH THAT FITS WITHIN THE EXISTING OPENING IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND THE PROPERTY OWNER DIANE JONES, IS HERE IN PERSON.
THIS IS A GOOD PICTURE IF YOU WANT TO, THAT'S A GOOD PICTURE ACTUALLY.
AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS CONFIGURATION OF A, A CENTRAL DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS ON EACH SIDE AND THE TRANSOM ABOVE IS THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, BUT THESE ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL DOORS AND SIDELIGHTS, SO THOSE HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO RETAIN THAT CONFIGURATION, BUT THEN ALL OF THE PARTS OF IT CAN BE REPLACED WITH NEW MATERIALS.
UM, ALSO THE PROPERTY OWNER, DIANE JONES, HAS A PHOTO OF THE PROPOSED CONFIGURATION.
THIS IS ORIGINALLY WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY CUT THE, UH, THE BRICK MOLDING AND THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE ONE HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL JAMS WERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT WAS ONE SIDE LIGHT THERE AND ONE LARGE DOOR.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING TO DO IS PUT A, A WOOD DOOR THAT'S BEEN RECLAIMED FROM THE KING WILLIAM AREA, UH, MADISON STREET AND A SINGLE SIDE LIGHT TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE AND PUT THE BRICK MOLDING BACK AND PUT IT BACK INSIDE THE WAY IT WAS.
SO IT'S NOT THIS AWKWARD LOOKING MODERN THING IS THE CUT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SEE TO THE, AT THE TOP OF THIS PICTURE ON THE SCREEN, DO WE NEED TO SHIFT THE PHOTO DOWN? YEAH, SHIFT IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
YOU CAN SEE ON EITHER SIDE THERE AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT IS WHERE THEY CUT OUT TO PUT IN THIS DOOR AND THIS IS WHY.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE BARELY, BUT FROM THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL SIDELIGHT WAS.
NOW OVER FROM THE RIGHT SIDE THERE OVER, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE DRAWING, IT HAD ONE LARGE DOOR AND ONE SIDELIGHT.
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REALLY LARGE OLD DOOR LIKE THAT.IT'S 40, ABOUT 46 INCHES AND IT'S HEAVY AND IT'S GOT THE BEVELED GLASS IN IT.
JUST WANNA SPEAK INTO, OH, IT'S HEAVY AND IT'S GOT THE BEVELED GLASS IN IT.
UM, IT'S PLAIN, IT'S NOT ANY OF THAT.
LIKE I SAID, IT WAS RECLAIMED FROM A HOUSE ON MADISON STREET AND KING WILLIAM.
SO THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE EVIDENCE THAT THE DOOR THAT'S INSTALLED NOW IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN THE ORIGINAL OPENING.
AND SO YOU THINK BASED ON THOSE DIMENSIONS IT WAS LIKELY KIND OF A WIDE LEAF DOOR WITH ONE SIDELIGHT TO THE SIDE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THAT? YEAH, THERE'S UM, A BLACK AND WHITE PHOTO.
THERE'S ONLY TWO PICTURES OF THE HOUSE THAT HISTORICAL SOCIETY HAS AND THERE'S THAT ONE THERE.
THAT'S AS GOOD AS IT GETS AS FAR AS PICTURES OF THE HOUSE.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION TO STAFF? IS THERE ANY, UM, WAY THAT YOU COULD ZOOM IN ON THAT PICTURE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER? IS THAT POSSIBLE? SORRY, THE BLACK AND WHITE.
COREY, IF, IF IT WAS STATED THAT THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL BEVELED GLASS AND WE'RE SEEING HERE THAT IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE, THAT IT WASN'T, WHAT CAN WE DO TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT NOT JUST WHAT'S BEING ADDRESSED HERE, BUT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HISTORIC SOCIETY? YEAH, SO I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GLASS NECESSARILY WITH THIS PICTURE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.
IT DOES LOOK LIKE A PRETTY WIDE SIDE LIGHT WITH A SINGLE LEAF DOOR.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? DID WE HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I DIDN'T ASK, I DIDN'T ASK THE NEIGHBORS TO CALL ON THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, LETTERS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FROM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC.
SO THE, UH, WHEN THE STAFF WAS MAKING THE EVALUATION, WAS IT, UH, WAS IT BASED ON THE, THE PREVALENCE OF, UH, DOUBLE SIDE LIGHTS, UH, THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERALLY? NO.
HONESTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE AND IF I HAD SEEN IT, WE WOULD'VE MADE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WE CAN SUPPORT WHAT IS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION JUST A MOMENT PRIOR TO THE MOTION THEN.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION'S GONNA BE TO SUPPORT WHAT IS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT, IS THAT CORRECT? COREY
UM, I THINK I, I SEE FROM THE EVIDENTIARY PICTURE, THE BLACK AND WHITE, THAT IT'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
AND SO I CAN SEE WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT TYPE OF A LOOK.
SO, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE TWO HOLES, THE ONE WITH THE WINDOW BESIDE AND THE DOOR, IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE, THE THE ONE THAT WAS USED, UM, IN THE STAFF FINDINGS.
SO I'M MORE INCLINED TO GO WITH WHAT THE BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE DENOTES MADAM CHAIR.
I MOVE THAT, UH, WE APPROVE THIS ITEM AS, UM, AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A ROLL CALL.
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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 1 17 SUITE.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO MODIFY AN EXISTING WINDOW OPENING ON THE FRONT FACADE BY CONVERTING THE EXISTING OPENING TO A DOOR OPENING.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATION BASED ON FINDING B PER THE GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATION SIX A ONE ORIGINAL WINDOW AND DOOR OPENING SHOULD BE PRESERVED.
ADDITIONALLY, THE GUIDELINES NOTE THAT THE A APPLICANTS SHOULD AVOID CREATING NEW PRIMARY ENTRANCES OR WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE PRIMARY FACADE, OR WERE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, JULIO VASQUEZ, IS HERE IN PERSON.
SO AFTER DOING THE RESEARCH, UM, RV HAVE ACCESS RIGHT NOW, UH, TO ZILLOW.
UH, THERE IS, UH, THERE WAS AN EX, AN EXTRA DOOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
I DUNNO, WE WERE ABLE TO PULL THAT, UM, RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE, UH, THE DOOR, THAT ONE.
UH, SO THERE ARE SOME STEPS ON THE RIGHT SIDE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WINDOW RIGHT NEXT, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE YELLOW, UH, AWNING, ON THE YELLOW, UH, HIGHLIGHTS, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE DOOR.
SO THE RIGHT WINDOW, THERE USED TO BE A DOOR THERE.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE STEPS, UH, GOING IN.
SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO LOOK IT UP ON ZILLOW, YOU, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT, UH, THE RIGHT WINDOW FROM WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE, THE DOOR.
IT USED TO BE A DOOR, SO MY CLIENT'S TRYING TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL BY USING THE EXACT SAME DOOR AS THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
BUT INSTEAD OF BEING ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, SIDE, WHICH IS THE RIGHT SIDE, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IT ON THE LEFT SIDE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A RESTROOM THERE, SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO INSTALL THAT, UM, DOOR WHERE IT WAS BEFORE.
SO IF YOU LOOK IT UP ON ZI, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND THAT IT USED TO HAVE A DOOR, BUT THE DOOR WAS, I DON'T THINK IT WAS, UH, ACCORDING TO THE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, STANDARDS, IT HAD A METAL GATE.
AND, UM, BACK IN 2018, WHOEVER OWNED THE PROPERTY, THEY GOT RID OF THE DOOR AND THEN THEY ADDED THAT, UH, WINDOW ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
SO, LIKE I SAID, I WAS JUST ABLE TO FIND THAT, UH, BY GOING THROUGH, UH, ZILLOW AND GOOGLE MAPS, AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE ON ZILLOW WHERE IT HAS THE, UH, DOOR, UH, BY THE STEPS.
SO IT WAS THE STEPS AND THEN YOU GO INTO IT, UH, THERE WAS A DOOR AND THEN, UM, HAVE ACCESS.
SO THEY USED TO HAVE, UH, TWO DOORS BACK THEN BACK IN 28, 28, UH, 29 MM-HMM,
SO QUESTION, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S NOW A BATHROOM? YES.
BACK, BUT IN 2018 IT WAS NOT, UH, 20 2008, 2009, BASED ON THE PAINTING OF THE HOUSE AND S THOSES PICTURES, UH, WE CAN SEE THAT BACK IN 2008, 2009, UM, THAT'S WHEN IT USED TO HAVE THE DOOR, UH, LIKE SAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE ON, UH, UH, THE ACTUAL WEBSITE.
UH, I GUESS THEY HAD IT ON LISTING.
NO, IT'S NOT IN THIS SET OF PHOTOS.
UM, IT SHOULD BE THE SECOND OR THIRD, UH, PICTURE FROM ZILLOW.
THAT ONE THAT USED TO BE THE DOOR, BUT THEY MADE IT A RESTROOM RIGHT NOW.
SO I MEAN THE ALSO, UH, THE PICTURES THAT I UPLOADED, UH, YOU CAN SEE A HOUSE, UH, TWO BLOCKS BEHIND WITH THE EXACT SAME DOORS, SAME LAYOUT ON, UH, AS FAR AS THE POSITIONING, UH, THERE GO THAT ONE, SO EXACT SAME DOORS, SAME LAYOUT I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY.
EXACTLY THE SAME AS, UH, MY CLIENT'S, UH, HOUSE QUESTION.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S GONNA BE TWO DOORWAYS NOW? UH, YES, CORRECT.
MADAM CHAIR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.
SO DO YOU HAVE OTHER, OTHER THAN THE REFERENCES TO ZILLOW, DO YOU HAVE HISTORIC PICTURES THAT SHOW AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THAT USED TO BE A DOOR BEFORE IT WAS CHANGED TO A WINDOW? UH, NO.
AND SO IS THE REQUEST BEING MADE BECAUSE THE MADE MODIFICATIONS ON THE INTERIOR? UH, CORRECT.
AND ALSO BECAUSE THE, UH, MY CLIENT WANTS TO HAVE ANOTHER, UH, LIKE A MOTHER-IN-LAW, UH, SUITE, UH, BECAUSE HE HAS A PRIVATE RESTROOM NOW, IT ALLOWS IT TO DO THAT.
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ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT FRONT DOOR, I GUESS IN THE PHOTO, THAT'S WHERE EVERY THAT'S GONNA REMAIN.AND THAT'S THE CURRENT ACCESS POINT.
AND JUST SO I'M CLEAR, SO THE, THE DOOR IS BEING PLACED IN OR REQUESTED TO BE PLACED INSTEAD OF THIS WINDOW AT THIS LOCATION? 'CAUSE THE OTHER ONE TO THE RIGHT IS WHERE THE BATHROOM IS, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
STEPS WERE IN THE CORRECT, YES.
WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY BACK THEN IN 20 2008, 2009.
SO THAT MAKES ME THINK BECAUSE BASED ON THOSE PICTURES, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT WAS, UH, A DOOR, BUT THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THEY GOT RID OF THE DOOR AND THEY INSTALLED THE, UH, THE WINDOWS.
I'M ASSUMING THEY DIDN'T PULL ANY PERMITS OR ANY, SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT RIGHT WAY.
BUT THE DOOR THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO GO INTO IT RIGHT NOW WAS NOT, IT WAS ACTUALLY THE DOOR TO THE RIGHT.
UH, THE DOOR WAS LOCATED ON THE RIGHT WINDOW, YES.
THIS, YES, THAT USED TO BE THE DOOR.
UM, AND THEN SO AFTER DRIVING AROUND THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE HOUSES EV UH, THE STREET ADAMS, ALMOST EVERY OTHER HOUSE HAS TWO ENTRANCES.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE DOING SOME RESEARCH AND WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THAT OUT.
SO, SO THE STATEMENT YOU MADE WAS THEY'RE TRYING TO RESTORE IT TO THE ORIGINAL.
SO THE ORIGINAL ACTUALLY IS TO THE RIGHT, NOT TO THE RIGHT, YES.
SO TECHNICALLY THAT'S NOT THE CORRECT STATEMENT.
THE CORRECT STATEMENT IS THAT I DIDN'T, IF YOURE GOING TO BE, DON'T INTERRUPT ME, PLEASE.
SO THE DOOR WAS ACTUALLY TO THE RIGHT, NOT WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING THE DOOR TO BE.
AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING THE MODIFICATIONS BECAUSE THE MODIFICATIONS WERE MADE ON THE INTERIOR.
WELL, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE ORIGINAL.
IT'S JUST THE OLDEST PICTURE WE COULD FIND, I GUESS.
SO WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE IF IT'S ORIGINALLY DONE THAT WAY, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL JUST ADD ALL THESE HOUSES ARE DIFFERENT.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'VE BEEN CHOPPED UP INTO MORE THAN ONE UNIT, AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE'VE SEEN ADDITIONAL DOORS ADDED.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW, UH, FOR, FOR THIS HOUSE SPECIFICALLY.
UM, SO WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BASE ON WHAT THE EXISTING, UH, CONDITIONS ARE, WHAT WE THINK IS LIKELY THE ORIGINAL CONDITION.
AND SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT THERE WAS EVER A DOOR HERE OR THAT THE DOOR TO THE RIGHT WAS ORIGINAL.
AND SO THAT'S THE BASIS FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, CAN I, SO TO STAFF AND, AND TO COREY, THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MY QUESTION BECAUSE WITH THE, WITH THE FINDINGS IN B IT, IT SAYS, UM, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND DOOR OPENINGS SHOULD BE PRESERVED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND AVOID CREATING NEW ENTRIES.
SO MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE WHAT LEADS STAFF TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE WAS NO DOOR ORIGINALLY? THAT IT ALWAYS WAS A WINDOW.
WHAT? JUST, UM, HISTORIC OTHER, OTHER HOUSES THAT YOU'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY.
WHAT, WHAT LEADS YOU TO THINK THAT IT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY A DOOR? UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORT THAT.
THERE WAS NO DOOR, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU, RIGHT, WHEN YOU SEE THE HEADER AND THE SILL DETAILS, THEY DO LINE UP.
SO THAT'S KINDA WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL CUTS THAT WE MAY BE MISSED? IF THERE WAS A DOOR THERE, THERE WOULD PROBABLY, THERE WOULD LIKELY BE SOME CUTS DOWN THE SIDE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SUPPORT THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF INSTALLATION THERE.
UM, GENERALLY THE SIDING WILL ALSO BE A LITTLE BIT WARPED BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT.
UM, IT'S NOT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS THAT.
THE OTHER QUESTION IS JUST BECAUSE THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE MADE ON THE INSIDE WILL NOT DICTATE THE EXTERIOR, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
JUST LIKE CORY SAID, SOMETIMES THE INTERIORS HAVE BEEN CHOPPED UP FOR A NUMEROUS LIKE PLETHORA OF REASONS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSIONS QUESTIONS? UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY BASIS FOR KNOWING WHAT ORIGINALLY WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
HAVE WE GOTTEN SUPPORT FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY? WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAYERS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR THIS CASE.
SO THE ONLY THING IS THE COM, THE, THE UNIFICATION CODES THAT WE NOW HOLD FOR THE HISTORIC SOCIETY? CORRECT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS, CLARIFICATIONS? UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UH, INFORMATION REGARDING THE NATHAN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THE SMALLER HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN TOWN WITH ABOUT, UH, UH, 60 SOMETHING HOUSES, I THINK.
UM, 68 PROPERTIES, 27 HISTORIC LANDMARKS.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE, IS IT PRIMARILY THE ASSUMPTION THAT MOST OF THEM WERE BUILT TO BE SINGLE FAMILY WITH PROBABLY ONE, ONE PRIMARY
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ENTRANCE? I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY THAT FOR SURE.I MEAN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAD A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, UM, AND SO IT WOULD NOT BE UNCOMMON FOR SOME OF THESE TO BE MULTIFAMILY ORIGINALLY.
BUT JUST BASED ON HOW THIS ONE LOOKS, IT SEEMS LIKE A S FAMILY HOME ORIGINALLY.
UM, I MOVE TO, UM, UH, APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AS LISTED.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I WILL NOW TAKE A ROLL CALL FLORES.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 52 2 50.
QUENTIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE REPAIR THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES FOUNDATION.
TWO, RECONSTRUCT THE FIRE DAMAGED ROOF STRUCTURE TO FEATURE A MODIFIED ROOF PITCH AND AN INCREASED HEIGHT OVER AN EXISTING SIDE EDITION.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROPOSED TO RECONSTRUCT THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CHIMNEY.
MODIFY THE FACADE MATERIALS BY INSTALLING BLACK STUCCO AND WOOD SIDING WITH A NATURAL FINISH.
MODIFY THE FACADE OF THE EXISTING SIDE EDITION BY INSTALLING A FRONT FACADE, FRONT FACING GARAGE DOOR AND INSTALLING WOOD SIDING.
INSTALL BOTH FRONT YARD AND PRIVACY FENCING ON SITE.
AND SIX, INSTALL A FRONT YARD CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY AS YOU'LL SEE IN FINDING B.
UH, THIS, THIS, UH, REQUEST IS TIED TO A VIOLATION.
THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE'S ROOF ALONG WITH MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL FORM ROOF FORM BEGAN PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A-C-O-A-O-H-P.
STAFF ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER ON MARCH 25TH, 2024.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE FOUNDATION REPAIR BASED ON FINDING A ITEM TWO.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROOF STRUCTURE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS OR ONE STIPULATION.
ONE THAT THE SITE ADDITION SHOULD MAINTAIN A SUBORDINATE RICH HEIGHT AS WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF BLACK STUCCO AND UNPAINTED WOOD SIDING ON THE FACADE.
AS NOTED IN FINDING, E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE EXISTING FACADE MATERIALS BE MAINTAINED AND MATCHED OR THAT AN ARCHITECTURALLY AND HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL BE PROPOSED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE INSTALLATION OF A GARAGE DOOR IN THE LOCATION OF THE PREVIOUS GARAGE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE FACADE MATERIAL SHOULD MATCH THE EXISTING ON SITE OR THAT AN ARCHITECTURALLY AND HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL BE PROPOSED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
THE PROPOSED UNFINISHED WOOD SIDING IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
TWO, THAT ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, NOTING THE INSTALLATION PROFILE AND DEPTH OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOOR.
FIVE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
FENCING AS PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCING IS NOT FOUND ON THIS BLOCK OF QUENTIN AND IT'S NOT COMMON WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK.
HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT FIND THE INSTALLATION OF THE FRONT YARD FENCING TO BE APPROPRIATE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PRIVACY FENCING INSTALLED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
A FINAL SITE PLAN NOTING EXACT FENCING LOCATIONS IS TO BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
SIX STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX.
THE INSTALLATION OF A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY BASED ON FINDING H STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ORIGINAL STRAIGHT DRIVEWAY BE MAINTAINED IN PLACE.
THERE ARE, UM, SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE APP.
AND THERE'S ONE LETTER IN YOUR, UM, FOLDER AS WELL.
AND THE APPLICANT, MY MAZIAR AND ZAOMI IS WITH US IN PERSON I BELIEVE.
UM, ACTUALLY BEFORE YOU START SIR RACHEL, CAN YOU HELP US OUT BY PUTTING LIKE SLIDE 14 OR 15 ON THE SCREEN OR ONE THAT SHOWS THE FIRE DAMAGE? OH, THAT'S A GOOD ONE THERE.
UM, AND THEN SO PUT THAT ON ONE HALF OF THE SCREEN AND ON THE OTHER HALF WILL YOU PLEASE OPEN THE FILE THAT'S IN THE LATE FOLDER.
SORRY, THAT'S A LOT TO FIT UP THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA HELP EXPLAIN YOUR, YOUR REQUEST, SIR.
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OKAY, GO AHEAD.YOU DON'T HAVE TO HOLD IT DOWN OKAY.
ABOUT YOUR PROJECT, WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.
UM, SO BASICALLY, UH, THIS PROJECT THAT I TOOK OVER, UM, IT'S SO MANY MODIFICATION HAS DONE TO THIS HOUSE, UH, TO THE PRIOR CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY HAVE DONE.
THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, EXTENSION AND A LOT OF NEW AREAS THAT THEY HAVE DONE, UM, AS A PART OF THE HOUSE THAT THEY EXTENDED THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
SO WHEN I TOOK OVER THIS PROJECT, UH, IT HAS THREE DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROOFS.
IT HAD A METAL ROOF, IT HAD A SHINGLE ROOF AND IT HAD A WOODEN ROOF ALL SITTING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
SO WHEN WE TOOK THE TOP LAYER OF THE ROOF OFF, WE HAVE TO TAKE TWO MORE LAYERS OF THE ROOF OFF.
AND IT IS ALSO WAS SITTING IN SIX DIFFERENT SLOPES AND TWO DIFFERENT LEVEL OF THE ROOF.
SO EVERY EXTENSION THEY HAVE DONE TO THIS HOUSE, THEY ONLY PROVIDED, UH, TO COVER THE AREA THAT THEY EXTENDED.
UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M PROPOSING OVER HERE TO HAVE ONE FLAT ROOF THAT GOES STRAIGHT ALL THE WAY ACROSS, UH, TO COVER THE ENTIRE HOUSE, UH, TO BE ALL AT THE EXACT SAME LEVEL.
AND, UH, ONE MORE THING THAT I REQUESTED, UH, UH, IT WAS THE GARAGE AND THE BALCONY THAT ON TOP OF THAT, WHICH I WALKED AROUND, UH, THE AREA AND I LOOK AT A LOT OF HOUSES IN THE SAME STREET.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSES THAT THEY DO HAVE A GARAGE AND THEY HAVE A BALCONY THAT'S SITTING RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT.
AND UH, I'M COMPLETELY FINE IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW ME, UH, TO DO A CIRCLE OF DRIVEWAY.
UH, I'M COMPLETELY FINE WITH THAT.
AND UH, UH, I DID A COMPLETE RENDERING, UH, OF THE FINISHED PROJECT THAT HOW THE PROJECT IS GONNA, UH, BE LOOKING.
UM, ALSO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, KEEP THE EXACT SAME MATERIAL THAT IT WAS BEFORE.
UH, WE ARE JUST, UH, CHANGING THE PAINT, UH, BASED OFF MY, UH, RESEARCH IN 1940 HOUSES THAT IT WAS, UH, UH, CALLED AS ART MODERN HOUSES.
UH, THEY, UH, NATURALLY USED ALL THE COLORS, UH, DUE TO THE LACK OF THE COLORS IN 1940S.
IT WAS, UH, UH, MAINTAINED BETWEEN THE FOUR DIFFERENT COLORS OF THE YELLOW, GREEN AND WHITE AND BLACK AND ALSO THE NATURAL, UH, LOOKING, UH, UH, THE CEDAR WOODS THAT I PROPOSE, UH, IN THE RENDERING AS WELL IS JUST GONNA MAKE THE HOUSE KIND OF LIKE, UH, STAND OUT.
SO IN REGARDS TO THE ROOF, UM, WE'RE SUPPORTING COMING IN WITH ONE NEW RICH LINE FOR THIS KIND OF MAIN PORTION OF THE HOUSE YOU SEE ON THE LEFT, UM, TO THE RIGHT YOU WILL SEE IN ADDITION THAT HAS WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY A LOWER RIDGE LINE.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF SET BACK AND HAD A LOWER ROOF LINE.
SO HE'S PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THAT AND TO BRING IT FORWARD SO THAT IT'S NOW UNDER ONE CONTINUOUS ROOF LINE.
UM, THAT WOULD ALSO RESULT IN BRINGING THE GARAGE DOOR DOOR FORWARD ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ROOF IS TO GO BACK WITH A NEW CLEAN RIDGE LINE FOR THAT ORIGINAL TWO STORY PORTION, BUT TO RETAIN A LOWER RIDGE LINE FOR THAT ADDITION TO THE RIGHT SIDE AS YOU SEE IN THE, THE PHOTO IN THAT CASE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE RIGHT THERE WHEN THE ROOF SITS DOWN.
UM, IF YOU GO TO UM, UM, I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY PHONE AND TELL YOU 'CAUSE A ZULU DOESN'T HAVE IT AND THAT ROOF IS GONNA BE ALMOST ABOUT FIVE FOOT.
IT'S REALLY SITTING ON TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
I'M GONNA LOOK AT MY PHONE REAL QUICK AND SHOW YOU GUYS.
YOU ARE SAYING THE SECOND FLOOR OVER THIS WITH THIS CONFIGURATION ON THE LEFT HAS A TOO TOO SHORT OF A, UM, CEILING HEIGHT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IF, IF, IF IT'S ON THIS, IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
YOU SAW HOW, UH, THAT IS KIND OF LIKE A STEP DOWN.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS AN ADDITION THAT THEY DID BEFORE.
SO IN THAT PART, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THE ROOF IS LITERALLY ABOUT, UH, FIVE AND A HALF FOOT.
UM, I'M GONNA PUT IT ON THE PICTURE REAL QUICK AND SHOW IT TO YOU.
UM, SO IF WE'RE READY I CAN CALL THEM UP UNLESS WE'RE STILL WANTING TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
YEAH, I'LL JUST, LET'S JUST GIVE HIM A MINUTE TO PULL THAT UP AND THANK YOU.
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THAT'S A PICTURE IN THE CORNER, RIGHT? OKAY.UM, RIGHT THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THAT IT SHOWS THE EXPOSED CHIMNEY DOES NOT EXIST RIGHT THERE.
SO, UH, PREVIOUS OWNER, THEY HAVE BUILT A LITTLE BAR RIGHT THERE AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, UH, LOAD THE ROOF IS.
WE THINK ORIGINALLY THE GARAGE ON THE RIGHT WAS JUST A ONE STORY KIND OF GARAGE ON THE SIDE AND THEN THEY ADDED UP.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE EXTERIOR.
IT'S JUST KIND OF NOT FULLY FINISHED, BUT IT WAS SUBORDINATE TO THAT, THAT PRIMARY MASS OF THE STRUCTURE.
MADAM CHAIR, UM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
I, I WOULD'VE ASSUMED THAT ORIGINALLY IT WAS JUST THE ONE STORY OR THE, THE GARAGE AND THAT THIS WAS AN ADDITION OR AN ADD-ON, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION.
SO THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
AND THEN CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SIDE BY SIDE THAT IT HAS THE UM, UH, YEAH, THAT ONE.
SO THE, THE TWO LEVELS OR THE, THE SHORTER LEVEL ON, ON THE SECOND ROOF WHERE THE, I I GUESS THE GARAGE IS, THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT.
UH, THE BLUE HOUSE, DOESN'T IT HAVE A A SIMILAR CONFIGURATION? YES.
DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT ADDITION WAS MADE ON THE RIGHT? NO IDEA.
UM, WE, WE DO THINK IT'S KIND OF OLDER.
WE'RE NOT SURE WHEN THIS KIND OF FAUX STONE SIDING WAS PUT IN.
IT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF A 1970S THING.
I APOLOGIZE BASED OFF MY RESEARCH THAT I COULD FIND, UH, I SAW THAT THERE WAS COUPLE OF MODIFICATION THAT WAS MADE IN 2005 AND ALSO, BUT IF YOU GO LOOK INSIDE THE HOUSE, UH, BASED OFF THE TWO BY FOURS THAT IT WAS USED, UH, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE COLORING THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN IN MODIFIED, UH, FROM INSIDE AND OUTSIDE MANY TIMES.
'CAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF, UH, WINDOWS THAT IS INSIDE THE WALLS.
UH, WE TOOK ALL THE WALLS OUT, WE DEMO THE ENTIRE HOUSE.
THE HOUSE IS COMPLETELY CLEARED OUT ALL DOWN TO THE STUDS.
UH, BUT WHEN YOU LOOKING INSIDE THE HOUSE, THERE IS ACTUALLY ABOUT, UH, 12 WINDOWS INSIDE THAT THEY COVER THEM ALL THE WAY AROUND.
RACHEL, WE HAVE A PHOTO THAT'S KIND OF AT AN ANGLE FROM THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IF YOU CAN FIND THAT ONE THAT'LL EXPLAIN THE MODIFICATIONS.
AND ALSO BASED OFF MY, UH, ORIGINAL, UH, RESEARCH ABOUT THIS HOUSE.
THIS HOUSE, IT LOOKED LIKE ABOUT 2,500 A SQUARE FOOT, BUT WITH ALL THE ADDITIONAL THAT THEY HAVE DONE TO THIS HOUSE, THIS HOUSE IS, UH, ALMOST RIGHT NOW, 4,500 A SQUARE FOOT.
AND THE HOUSE IS COMPLETELY WIDE.
SO IF YOU COMPARE IT TO THE HOUSES RIGHT NEXT TO IT, UH, THE FACE OF THE HOUSE, YEAH, IT'S CALLED ALMOST THE SAME BUT THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE, IT'S ALMOST DOUBLE THE SIDE OF ALL THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE'S KIND OF LIKE THIS SPACE BETWEEN THE, THE ROCK SIDING AND WHERE THAT ROOF IS AND THAT.
SO, AND THEN IF YOU GO UP TO I THINK SLIDE 27, MAYBE WHAT THEY DID IS THEY DID A VERY LARGE REAR ADDITION AND THEY KIND OF PUT A LITTLE HAT OVER THE ORIGINAL ROOF TO DO THAT.
AND SO THERE'S A UNIFYING ROOF FORM AND A NEW RIDGE THAT WAS DONE WHEN THAT ADDITION WAS PUT IN.
UM, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SEVERAL DECADES AGO.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A RECORD OF IT.
BUT THEN RECENTLY THEY CAME IN PROBABLY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO AND DID A COMPLETE REMODEL OF THAT ADDITION.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, THINGS HAPPEN TO THIS HOUSE OVER TIME IN THAT ADDITION, I, I DIDN'T SEE A PERMIT WHEN THEY DID THE, THAT ADDITION OR DID I OVERLOOK IT PRIOR TO THE FIRE? UM, I THINK THEY EVENTUALLY DID GET PERMITS.
I THINK IT WAS A COMPLIANCE CASE AT SOME POINT, BUT WE, WE DID GET AN APPROVAL, UH, FOR WHAT YOU
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SEE ON THE REAR, THE, THE NEWER WINDOWS AND DOORS.UM, SO I THINK THERE WERE PERMITS TOWARDS THE END OF THAT PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS EVER COMPLETED THOUGH.
COULD WE HEAR FROM THE MONTICELLO COMMUNITY? YES.
UM, FIRST WE HAVE LYNN MCCLURE.
NOW I'M SORRY, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND GIVE YOUR REMARKS.
IS IT ON? IT'S UH, MY NAME IS, UH, LYNN MCCLURE.
I LIVE AT 2 69 NORTH DRIVE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND TWO 50.
FIRST I WANNA CONGRATULATE THE OWNER ON SUCH AN AMBITIOUS PROJECT, A HOUSE THAT WAS DUE FOR DEMOLITION.
AND HE IS COME UP WITH BEAUTIFUL PLANS TO IMPROVE THE HOUSE, IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL OF THE PLANS, I ONLY SAW 'EM BRIEFLY THIS MORNING, BUT MY CONCERN IS THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF.
UH, ON WEDNESDAY I SENT AN EMAIL TO THIS COMMITTEE WITH A BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURE.
HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO SEE THAT EMAIL? WELL ANYWAY, IN THE 25 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE, UH, THE ROOF AT 2 25 QUENTIN HAS BEEN ALMOST A FLAT ROOF.
YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE ROOF, UM, STANDING ON THE GROUND.
UM, AND THEN AFTER THE FIRE, WELL IT LOOKED, LOOKED THE SAME.
UM, BUT THEN WITH THE NEW, UM, CONSTRUCTION, WHICH HAS ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN DONE, UH, WITHOUT PERMITS, UM, IT, IT LOOKS TO ME BASED UPON THE SIZE, HEIGHT OF A HUMAN BEING THAT THEY'VE RAISED THE ROOF ABOUT, SEEMS TO BE ABOUT 12 OR 15 FEET.
SO IT, IT JUST TOWERS OVER MY PROPERTY AND OF COURSE THE ONES NEXT TO IT, IT'S A VERY, VERY HIGH ROOF.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO OBJECT TO.
IT AFFECTS THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF MOVING OVER THE BACK OF MY, MY HOUSE.
I, I WISH, I HOPE YOU COULD SEE THE EMAIL THE BEFORE AND THE AFTER PICTURE SOUNDS GOOD.
SO I'M JUST SHOWING IT FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
OF COURSE THERE ARE OTHER HISTORICAL CONSIDERATIONS, UH, AND THE OTHER, UH, PLANS THAT THE ARCHITECT HAS FOR THE HOUSE IS MY TWO MINUTES UP.
ANY QUESTIONS,
UH, BIANCA WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES.
TOM SIMMONS AND ROBIN FOSTER HAVE ALSO SIGNED IN AND HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME.
GOOD MORNING, BIANCA MALDONADO.
I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA AND THE MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
THIS CASE, YOU HEARD IT BACK IN FEBRUARY WHEN YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR, UM, THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD.
THERE WAS A CASE THAT CAME FORWARD, UH, TO PUT THIS HOUSE FOR DEMOLITION AND WE ASKED THAT OHP WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO OBVIOUSLY GIVE THEM INTO COMPLIANCE AND GET IT MOVING AGAIN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WAS A FIRE THAT OCCURRED IN 2020 2ND OF MARCH.
IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
UM, BUT KIND OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO THE, THE, THE FIRE OCCURRED IN MARCH 11TH, 2022.
THE PROPERTY CHA HAD A NEW OWNER IN MARCH 9TH, 2023.
THEY, UH, PULLED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN 2023 AND THEY ALSO PULLED SOME PERMITS IN 2023.
HOWEVER, THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING IN 2024.
UM, AND KIND OF WHAT HAS GOT US HERE TODAY, IT'S REALLY KIND OF AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION THAT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE WITHOUT PROPER PERMITTING THAT HAS PUT US IN THIS SITUATION.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY HERE WE ARE TODAY.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
UM, THIS IS THE BEFORE AND AFTER.
UH, THIS IS WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKED LIKE PRIOR TO, UH, THE APPLICANT REMOVING THE ROOF, UM, TO WHERE IT IS COMPLETELY WAS EXPOSED IN THE PICTURES THAT YOU SAW IN THE PACKET.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL, UH, RENDERING OF THE ROOF ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOME, THIS GOES TO THE OVERALL MASSING AND SCALING OF THIS PROPERTY WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BECAUSE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ON THE ROOF LINE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THAT.
HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT MEET THE MASSING AND SCALING AND NEEDS TO BE SCALED DOWN APPROPRIATELY.
THIS IS THE CURRENT CONDITION.
THIS IS WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
IS THAT A UNIFIED ROOF APPROPRIATE FOR THIS OVERALL SITE AND SETTING IT TOWERS OVER THE ADJACENT TWO STORY, UH, HOMES ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY? AND AS MR. MCCLURE SHOWED YOU THE RENDERING FROM BEHIND HIS HOUSE.
SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THE FRONT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO SUBSTANTIAL RAISING OF A
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SLOW SLOPED ROOF ON THE BACK.IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THERE'S ALMOST A THIRD STORY GOING IN HERE.
BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE, THEY HAVE REPOSITIONED THE CENTER LINE OF THAT ROOF.
THAT CENTER LINE NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD AND NEEDS TO BE LOWERED AND MATCHED THE ORIGINAL ROOF THAT WAS THERE.
WHEN YOU DO ADDITIONS ON HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THEY SHOULD BE EN MASSING IN SCALE TO THAT AND SHOULD NOT SEEK TO DOMINATE.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED A NEW ROOF THAT WOULD DRASTICALLY DOMINATE AND NOT BE SUBORDINATE TO THE HOME.
SAME WITH THE ROOF ON THE GARAGE WHERE THE ADDITION OVER THE GARAGE HAS OCCURRED.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SIDE ANGLE, YOU CAN SEE HOW STEEP THAT ROOF IS, HOW LARGE IT IS, AND THE MASSING.
IF YOU LOOK, THIS IS WHERE THE ORIGINAL HOME SITS BETWEEN THESE TWO OTHER HOMES.
YOU CAN SEE WITH THAT RAISED ROOF, THEY'RE PROVIDING NO CONTEXT AND REFERENCE TO THE ADJACENT ROOF.
ALSO BRINGING THE ROOF FORWARD TO COVER OVER THE GARAGE AND BRINGING FORWARD THAT GARAGE DOOR SEEKS TO CREATE A MASSING THAT IS NOT COMPATIBLE FOR THIS BLOCK IN THIS SITE, IN THIS SETTING, AND INTRODUCES A PRECEDENT THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THESE ARE MORE PICTURES ACTUALLY OF THIS MORNING.
AND SO LEMME GIVE YOU A TOUR DOWN THE STREET.
WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE OTHER HOMES ON THIS H ON THIS BLOCK THAT ARE TWO STORY HOMES, THIS IS ALSO ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE DOORS DOWN.
THIS IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF QUENTIN AND SHEAR.
THIS IS BETWEEN THE HOUSE AT TWO 50 AND THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER.
YOU CAN SEE THE, THE SETTING, THE PRECEDENT WITH THE GARAGE BEING RECESSED BACK AND BEING SUBORDINATE.
THESE ARE ALL ON THE BLOCK OF QUENTIN, THE 200 BLOCK OF QUENTIN.
AND THIS ONE, I WENT AHEAD AND TOOK ONE SHOT TO HIT FOUR HOMES, BUT I THINK THIS PROVES MY POINT IN THAT THAT ROOF LINE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE OVERALL SITE AND SETTING OF THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEREFORE SHOULD BE LOWERED.
SO WE DISAGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WE ASK THAT YOU HAVE IT REPOSITIONED TO ADDRESS THE OVERALL MASS AND SCALING AND THAT THE REAR ROOF IS ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED AS THE CONCERN THAT WAS BOUGHT FORWARD BY MR. MCCLURE.
IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO HERE I'VE INDICATED ALL THE TWO STORY STRUCTURES.
WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER HOMES ON THAT MAP ARE SINGLE STORY.
THERE'S NOT A SINGLE TWO STORY HOME ON THE 300 OR 100 BLOCK OF QUENTIN.
THEY'RE ALL SATURATED ON THIS 200 BLOCK.
IF YOU LOOK ON NORTH DRIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND THERE WHERE MR. MCCLURE LIVES ON THE 300 BLOCK, THERE'S ONLY TWO TWO STORY HOMES ON THAT ENTIRE BLOCK.
SO WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL MASSING AND SCALING OF THIS POTENTIAL ROOF THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, IT'S VISIBLE FROM MULTIPLE HOMES.
I WILL TELL YOU PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHO'S BUILDING THE TOWER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT FIT THE OVERALL SITE AND SETTING SPECIFICALLY WITH THE DENSITY THAT WE HAVE OF SINGLE STORY HOMES.
THIS ROOF, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DIMENSIONS ON IT.
AND YES, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT A LOT OF WORK PREVIOUSLY HAD BEEN DONE WITHOUT PERMITS, BUT THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE.
I COULDN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY WHO PUT THIS TYPE OF ROOF AND INVESTMENT IN A PROPERTY WITHOUT PULLING PROPER PERMITS.
SO I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IT AS THOUGH NO WORK HAD BEEN DONE AND THAT YOU APPROVE THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ORIGINAL ROOF AND ITS ORIGINAL PLACEMENT AND THE SAME WITH A SLOPE ROOF.
AND MAYBE THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH MORE DETAIL ON THE, ON THE REAR ADDITION, ON THE SLOPE OF THAT ROOF.
UM, BUT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF ALL STAFF'S OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE EX, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE PERTAINING TO THE RIDGE LINE OF THE ROOF.
AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS PROPERTY FORWARD, UM, AND GET IT RESTORED AND, AND CON AND CONTRIBUTING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF OR YOU WERE NOT IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR AND I'M UNDERSTANDING THE LANGUAGE AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, IT SAYS THAT THEY DO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROOF WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE SIDE ADDITION SHOULD MAINTAIN A SUBORDINATE RIDGE HEIGHT, UH, AS PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED.
IS, IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU'RE WANTING AS WELL OR NO? NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE APPROVING THAT GARGANTUAN HEIGHT INCREASE OF THE ROOF ON THE FRONT.
AND I'M ASKING THAT THE ROOF BE LOWER TO THE ORIGINAL.
SO IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PHOTO RIGHT HERE.
IF YOU GO TO MAYBE SLIDE THREE IS THAT THREE FOUR.
SO COMING BACK TO THIS ROOF SLOPE AND THEN WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
STAFF IS SAYING THAT THIS IS OKAY, AS LONG AS THE, UH, ROOF LINE OVER THE GARAGE IS SUBORDINATE.
WE'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
SO IT WOULD BE A, AS SHE'S PROPOSING, IT WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN PITCH TO LOWER THAT RICH LINE.
SO IT WOULD BE LESS OF A SLOPE.
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BOTH.WELL, AND THE CENTER LINE IS CHANGED SO THAT YOU SEE WHERE THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROOF IS, IT'S CENTERED ON THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE.
THEY'VE NOW PUSHED THAT BACK SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING THAT IT COME BACK AND THEN IT MATCH THE ORIGINAL.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS, COREY, OR WAS THAT IT? THAT'S IT.
ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OR QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER CONCERNS? WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE FACADE AT ALL AND THE HEIGHT AS WELL.
SO MY QUESTION IS WHY WAS THE, THE HEIGHT APPROVED IF IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MONTICELLO
WELL, I'M ACTUALLY ASKING THE CASE MANAGERS.
SO
AND SO WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE WHAT EVIDENCE WE HAVE THAT'S REMAINING THE, WHERE WE COULD POINT TO WHERE THE, THE REPLACEMENT RIDGE SHOULD BE.
UM, I, I WOULD EXPECT SOME OF THAT FRAMING THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THAT PICTURE TO STILL BE IN PLACE THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT ORIGINAL SIDE GABLE PEAK WAS.
AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A WIGGLE ROOM THERE BECAUSE THE ADDITION KIND OF MET AT SOMEWHERE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S SOMEWHERE RIGHT IN, RIGHT IN THAT SPOT.
HOWEVER, PRIOR TO THIS THERE WEREN'T ANY PERMITS PULLED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE THAT WE, WHAT WE NOW SEE THERE IS A PERMIT THAT'S BEEN PULLED, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COA UM, SO THERE'S STILL A VIOLATION AND THE PERMITS ARE JUST, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE THAT IT BE A CERTAIN HEIGHT.
THEY'RE GONNA JUST MAKE SURE THE FRAMING MEETS CODE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT ACCORDING TO THE HISTORICAL UNIFIED CODES? SO TYPICALLY, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PRESERVE EXISTING ROOF FORMS AS THEY ARE.
AND SO THAT'S MAINTAINING RICH HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, STYLE OF ROOF, HIP VERSUS GABLE, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
SO WE LOOK AT KIND OF THE CONDITIONS ON SITE AND WE MAKE A A BEST GUESS AS TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO EITHER RETURN TO OR TO MAINTAIN.
COULD I HAVE MS, WHAT WAS HER NAME? MALDONADO.
MS. MAL, CAN YOU COME BACK UP HERE? YES MA'AM.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE OWN, THE NEW OWNER TO BE ABLE TO SHOW OR HAVE THEY REACHED OUT TO YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE? WE'VE HAD NO CONVERSATION.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, ON THE BACK END, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
UM, BUT OUR WHOLE GOAL WAS TO HAVE THE ORIGINAL ROOF FORM RESTORED, COREY.
AND WHAT WOULD WE AS THIS DEPARTMENT BE REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT? BECAUSE IF, IF, IF THIS IS NOT IN THE CODES AND IT'S EXCEEDING ACCORDING TO THE RICH LINE, WHAT ARE WE REQUIRED TO DO? SO KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE HEIGHT IS, IS EXCEEDING AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S EXCEEDING IT AND IT'S ACTUALLY A VIOLATION, DO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND HAVE IT REEVALUATED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE? I I THINK YOU CAN JUST EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THAT THE PROPOSED PITCH IS EITHER IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES OR NOT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE THINKING THAT IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT IS GOING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE KNOW WAS LIKELY THE ORIGINAL CONDITION.
AND SO YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THAT FINDING.
THE PHOTOS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT THEY ALL LOOK LIKE, SIMILAR STRUCTURES ARE INDICATIVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CLARIFICATIONS, MADAM CHAIR? JUST, UH, MS. MALDONADO, UH, DOES THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAVE A POSITION ABOUT THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE CHIMNEY? YOU WOULD HATE TO SEE A LOSS OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO BACK TO BE HONEST.
UM, BUT I GUESS WE PICK OUR BATTLES WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GONNA COME UP HERE AND FIGHT ABOUT FOR SIX MINUTES OR REALLY KIND OF ASK YOU TO, TO UPHOLD.
WE FELT THE ROOF LINE WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS REALLY ADDRESSED OUR OTHER CONCERNS.
BUT WE'D HATE TO SEE A LOSS OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES BECAUSE THAT WAS LIKELY ORIGINAL.
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THAT I THINK WE DID, I I WAS NOT AT THE FEBRUARY MEETING, BUT THE JANUARY ONE, I THINK WE TOOK THE THINGS AND SPLIT THEM APART.IT MAYBE THIS MIGHT, THE ROOF MIGHT BE ONE THAT WE WANNA DO A SITE VISIT ON.
CAN WE DO THAT COREY? LIKE SEND IT BACK OR, UM, WHATEVER, TABLE IT OR WHATEVER.
YOU WOULD BE REF UH, THE ACTION WOULD BE TO REFER TO A DRC SITE VISIT.
SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WE WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THE CHIMNEY GOING AWAY AS LONG AS WE WERE ABLE TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THE RICH LINE AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT, CORRECT? YEAH.
HE'S NOT ABLE TO JOIN US THIS MORNING.
MY THINKING IS THAT WE DID NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE CHIMNEY BECAUSE IT HAS ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY GONE.
UM, THERE'S, THERE WAS ACTUALLY TWO FIRES HERE I KIND OF FORGOT.
AND SO THERE WAS ORIGINAL FIRE WITH THE STRUCTURE WHEN IT WAS OCCUPIED.
AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER, I THINK AFTER SOMEBODY WENT IN, UM, AND BEGAN TO FRAME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEND IT BACK TO FOR A REEVALUATION.
ANYONE ELSE OPPOSED TO THAT? UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MAD AND CHAIR.
UM, THAT'S THE, THE ENTIRE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH SIX YOU'D LIKE TO SEND BACK FOR REVIEW, UM, OR, UM, OR INDIVIDUAL ONES.
UM, WE CAN APPROVE THE FOUNDATION REPAIR ITEM ONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UM, ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS ARE KIND OF AFTER THE FACT ABOUT THE ROOF FRAMING.
SO THE EXTERIOR CLADDING THE TYPE OF DOOR, GARAGE DOOR, UM, DRIVEWAY.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO TABLE THOSE AS WELL.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT'S WAITING ON THOSE.
SO WE COULD APPROVE THE ONES YOU RECOMMENDED, BUT, BUT GO BACK AND REVIEW THE ROOFING, CORRECT THE ROOFING STRUCTURE.
WELL, UH, MADAM CHAIR, I, I THINK IF I HEARD COREY CORRECTLY, HE WAS SAYING THAT THEY ALL KIND OF ARE INTERTWINED.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? AND SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD I, AM I CORRECT? WE PACKAGE IT TOGETHER BECAUSE THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING ALL THESE THINGS.
IF YOU WERE TO TABLE EVERYTHING, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO IS GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE FOUNDATION REPAIR.
'CAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY ELIGIBLE FOR STAFF APPROVAL ANYWAYS.
AND THEN ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX WOULD GO TO A DRC AND COME BACK TO A FUTURE AGENDA.
UM, COULD YOU PULL UP THE RECOMMENDATIONS ONE? YEAH.
SO, SO COREY, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, UH, SORRY MADAM CHAIR.
UM, COREY, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, UM, IF, IF THE COMMITTEE WISHED TO, WE COULD APPROVE ONE AND THEN TWO THROUGH SIX, UM, SEND IT BACK, REFER TO A DRC, REFER TO A DRC, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, SUGGESTIONS? SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION.
UM, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE ROLL CALL FLORES? AYE REGARD? AYE.
SO THE APPLICANT, WE WILL, UM, I'M OVER HERE.
SORRY, WE'LL GET WITH YOU SOON.
EDWARD WILL REACH OUT TO YOU AND WE'LL SCHEDULE A, A SITE VISIT TO THE PROPERTY WITH COMMISSIONERS AND SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO VIEW THAT IN PERSON AND, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, CAN I ADD SOMETHING? GO AHEAD SIR.
UH, WHEN I STARTED, UH, THAT THIS MEETING AT THE BEGINNING I MENTIONED THAT UH, ROOF WAS SITTING IN SIX DIFFERENT SLOPES AND TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS AND I JUST TOOK OVER THIS HOUSE.
UM, MINE, UH, I DUNNO HOW TO PUT IT.
I DO RESPECT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE IDEAS AND ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY CAME INSIDE.
HOW COME THEY HAD NO CONCERN BEFORE THAT ON ANY OTHER BUILDING THAT WAS GOING INTO THE PLACE THAT THEY BUILT THIS HOUSE FROM 2000 SQUARE FOOT TO 4,500 A SQUARE FOOT AND NOW THEY ASKING FOR THE ROOF TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.
UH, I HAVE AN ENGINEER WHO DRAW THE PLANT FOR ME, THE ENGINEER THAT IS POSTED ON THE WINDOWS AS WELL.
UM, PUTTING THE ENTIRE ROOF WEIGHT SIDE TO HAVE THE FRONT LEVEL AND BACK OF IT, KIND OF LIKE, UH, FLAT IS GONNA PUT A LOT OF WEIGHT INTO THE ROOF.
THAT IS GONNA CAUSE FOUNDATION AGAIN, BREAKING DOWN THE ROOF, BREAKING DOWN THE COLUMNS, ALL THE COLUMNS IN THE FRONT, ALL FOUR OF 'EM ARE COMPLETELY BROKEN.
UM, I CAN GET THE CASE MANAGER, UH, WALK WITH ME THROUGH THE DOOR.
AND EVEN, UH, ONE OF THE MAIN THING THAT WE DID, WE
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CENTERED THE ROOF.I THINK THIS IS ALL GREAT EVIDENCE TO BRING TO THE SITE, TO THE SITE POSITION SO THEY CAN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUES.
BUT WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN ACTION ON THIS CASE, SO, SO WE'RE GONNA COME AND VISIT YOU 'CAUSE WE'RE HERE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE WANNA SEE IT FOR OURSELVES AND I COMMEND YOU FOR TAKING IT OVER IN 2024 BECAUSE IT WAS SET FOR DEMOLITION, WHICH YOU DID SOMETHING PHENOMENAL AND I DO VALUE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING BACK TO COME AND SEE YOU TO SEE IF THERE'S A, A WAY THAT WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER AND NOT BE SUCH A, A BURDEN ON YOU.
BUT WE'LL COME BACK AND VISIT WITH YOU, SIR.
ITEM SEVEN ON THE AGENDA, HTRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 53.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A C OH ADDRESS 1 26 BEVERLY, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A 22 BY 22 METAL CARPORT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CONSTRUCTION OF A CARPORT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE CARPORT SO THAT IT DOESN'T EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE.
AS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A WOOD FRAMED OR WOOD CLAD FRAME FOR THE CARPORT AS NOTED IN FINDING D AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
UM, A CASE NOTE, ON OCTOBER 11TH, 2023, STAFF ISSUED A NOTICE OF INVESTIGATION ONSITE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S BROTHER, UM, THE OWNER CALLED STAFF ON OCTOBER 12TH, 2023 TO DISCUSS WHAT WAS REQUIRED TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, STARTING WITH AN APPLICATION FOR COA STAFF FOLLOWED WITH A CALL AND AN EMAIL THAT INCLUDED A LINK TO THE APPLICATION AND A LIST OF REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION.
UM, AND THEN THE OWNER SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR COA ON MARCH 28TH, 2024, UH, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE CARPORT AS CONSTRUCTED.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE OWNER, UH, JAMIE MATHIS HERE.
DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? HELLO, GOOD MORNING.
UH, VERY NICE TO MEET YOU ALL.
I'VE LEARNED A LOT TODAY BY ATTENDING THIS MEETING.
UM, I'D FIRST LIKE TO SAY I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS SUBJECT EVEN TO Y'ALL'S REVIEW.
IT IS A REMOVABLE, UH, STRUCTURE THAT IS NOT PERMANENT.
IT IS, UM, MADE WITH SHEET METAL.
IT IS NOT, IT IS BOLTED TOGETHER AND NOT WELDED.
I SUBMITTED PICTURES THAT SHOW THAT IT SITS ON THE GROUND.
UM, IT'S NOT EVEN SECURE TO THE GROUND.
IT SITS TO, SITS ON THE GROUND.
UM, AND IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE THIS SIMILAR STRUCTURE ALREADY.
UM, I, WHEN I ARRANGED FOR IT TO BE PLACED, IT ACTUALLY IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE CURRENT GARAGE.
I KNOW THAT PICTURE'S A LITTLE, UH, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THAT PICTURE 'CAUSE I'M TAKING IT FROM DOWN UP.
BUT IF YOU'RE AT A STREET VIEW, UM, SO THERE YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR.
SO IF YOU'RE AT A STREET VIEW, YOU REALLY DON'T EVEN NOTICE AND IT SITS BACK IN, BACK BEHIND THE HOUSE.
BUT SO MY CONTENTION TODAY IS THAT IT'S A REMOVABLE STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT PERMANENT, IT'S NOT EVEN REALLY SUBJECT TO YOU GUYS' REVIEWS TO YOUR REVIEW.
UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GET TO VISIT AND LISTEN TO YOUR OPINIONS.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, IT'S REMOVABLE STRUCTURE.
IF YOU DRIVE FIVE MINUTES THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL SEE 20 OF THESE IN THE HOME AND I'M SURE IN THEIR PEOPLE'S HOMES.
AND I'M SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE PERMITS OR DIDN'T RECEIVE PERMIT OR ANY KIND OF APPROVAL FOR THIS.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SPEAK ON THIS? WE DO.
UM, MAY IF YOU WANNA HAVE A SEAT, UH, BIANCA MAL MAAL DENADO, UH, SHE'LL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES.
TOM SIMMONS AND ROBIN FOSTER HAVE SIGNED IN AND YIELDED THEIR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
BIANCA MALDONADO, CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MPNA 1 26 BEVERLY, UH, WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY HAS PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND SHOULD HAVE DONE SO FOR THE NEW METAL CARPORT.
THE NEW STRUCTURE IS TALLER THAN THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE GARAGE.
THE ROOF IS TOO CLOSE TO THE HISTORIC HOME AND THE CORRUGATED METAL IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL
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SPECIFICALLY ON THE SIDE OF THE CARPORT.AS YOU'VE SEEN, UH, THAT FACES THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR, THE ROOF IS LIKELY DUMPING THE WATER ONTO THE NEIGHBOR TOO BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE PROPER THREE FOOT SETBACK FOR A STRUCTURE.
AND THERE ARE CONCERNS IN OUR OLDER AREA OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND SO WE KNOW THAT DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS, WATER FLOWING OFF FROM A METAL, UH, STRUCTURE DOES COME AT A FASTER SPEED AND COULD CAUSE, UH, HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR.
THE STRUCTURE DOMINATES THE VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AND IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO THE SUBSTANTIAL BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY SUCH AS THE GARAGE AND THE HOME.
WE CONCUR WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS AND ADD THAT THE GABLE ROOF IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH AND BETWEEN THE HIP ROOF OF THE GARAGE OR THE BRAKE PITCH GABLE ROOF OF THE MAIN HOUSE, IT ADDS CONFLICTING ROOF SLOPE AND PROFILES SITTING BETWEEN THE HOME AND THE GARAGE.
ALSO, I'LL NOTE IN THE PACKET THERE WAS A PICTURE THAT SHOWED THAT THERE WAS AN ELECTRICAL CONNECTION MADE TO A LIGHTING FIXTURE UNDERNEATH THIS CARPORT.
UM, THIS FURTHER SUBSTANTIATES THAT THIS IS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, NOT A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, DOESN'T MEET THE THREE FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS A CONCERN TO THE ADJACENT MATERIAL, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTY.
AND I WILL ALSO SAY THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL CASES FOR CARPORTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH FOR APPROVAL, UM, THAT IF ARE INCONSISTENT, ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE HOPE THAT YOU, UH, SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE DO.
COULD WE HAVE THE OWNER BACK UP OVER, I APOLOGIZE.
YOUR NAME ONE MORE TIME, MA'AM? JAMIE.
JAMIE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENT? GO AHEAD.
UM, MS. MATHIS, I'M, I'M, UM, LOOKING THROUGH OUR PHOTOS HERE.
SO THE, THIS CARPORT IS NOT PERMANENTLY AFFIXED.
THERE'S A PHOTO HERE WHERE IT SHOWS THE, UM, I GUESS THE, THE FOOTINGS OF THE, THERE'S SOME SCREWS IN THERE, BUT IT IS THIS JUST SITTING ON TOP OF THE DIRT HERE? IT IS JUST SITTING ON TOP OF THE DIRT.
IT IS NOT SECURED TO THE GROUND.
IT IS, UM, BOLTED TOGETHER, BUT IT IS NOT SECURED TO THE GROUND.
SO, AND THEN, UM, I DID SEE, UH, A LIGHT FIXTURE ON ONE OF THE PHOTOS AS WELL AS A, A BOX TO PLUG IN ELECTRICAL.
SO DID YOU, DID YOU WIRE THIS THING SO THAT YOU HAVE LIGHT UNDER THERE? UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PIC NUMBER PICTURE THIS IS, BUT ON MINE IT'S SLIDE NINE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S HAD A A LIGHT FIXTURE? YES, THERE'S A LIGHT, THERE'S A LIGHT UNDER THERE.
AND I COULD TAKE THAT DOWN TO, UM, THE GARAGE IS TO SPEAK TO THE CLOSENESS OF THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, I'VE HAD NO COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
THE GARAGE, OUR PERMANENT FIXTURE GARAGE IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, THAT'S THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE STANDARD OF WHAT IS THERE, THAT IS WHAT IS THERE, THE GARAGE IS BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEIGHBORS, UM, AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE FENCE.
SO THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF THE GARAGE.
IT'S NOT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, BUT IT IS, THIS SITS RIGHT NEXT TO THE GARAGE AND NOT ATTACHED TO THE GARAGE.
AND THEN JUST A QUESTION ON THE UDC, WHAT, WHAT DOES THE UDC SAY ABOUT ESSENTIALLY TEMPORARY FIXTURES THAT AREN'T REALLY SECURED? IS THAT, YEAH, DOES THAT SPEAK TO, SO THERE'S A OF COUPLE QUESTIONS.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT MAY NOT TRIGGER A PERMIT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A, LIKE A PERMANENT FOUNDATION, BUT IT STILL REQUIRES THE CERTIFICATE, UM, TO BE INSTALLED IN A STORE DISTRICT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT SCALE HERE TOO.
UM, TYPICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATION OR NOT SOMETHING OF THIS SIZE, TYPICALLY YOU WOULD SEE COME IN FOR A PERMIT AND THEY WOULD LOOK AT SETBACKS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND SO, I MEAN THAT'S JUST, WE'RE WE'RE TREATING IT AS IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, ANY CARPORT.
AND SO WE HAVE GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED THAT WE APPLY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WHAT IT'S OKAY, BUT, SO THE BUT THERE'S NOT A VIOLATION NECESSARILY ON THE CARPORT NOT BEING PERMANENTLY AFFIXED FROM A CODE STANDPOINT? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS.
BUT THERE IS A, A VIOLATION OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UH, MADAM CHAIR NOR SCALING, IS THAT CORRECT? NOR THE SCALE? WELL, THE, THE SCALE POTENTIALLY COMES INTO PLAY WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO MY QUESTION ACTUALLY WOULD BE TO STAFF, UM,
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AND ANY OF YOU, UM, WOULD THE EXPECTATION BE THAT EVEN IF IT WAS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, IT SHOULD STILL BE WITHIN THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? EVEN IF IT WERE, I SEE EVERYONE NODDING.EVERYONE FROM THE ENTIRE, OKAY.
IS THAT STILL AN EXPECTATION? IF IT'S A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE? WE, WE DO HAVE A POLICY THAT WHERE WE CONSIDER THINGS THAT ARE TEMPORAL IN NATURE.
SO THINGS LIKE FURNITURE, LIKE THAT KIND OF STUFF, UM, DO NOT TRIGGER A COA REQUIREMENT.
UM, SOME PEOPLE WILL ALSO PUT A, LIKE A POP-UP TINT AND LIKE COVER THEIR CAR WITH IT.
LIKE DURING SEASONS, LIKE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE HAVE HAILSTORMS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
OR JUST WHEN IT'S REALLY HOT AND THEN THEY GO AWAY, UH, WHEN THEY'RE NO LONGER NEEDED.
AND SO THOSE ARE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY.
THIS IS A LITTLE BEYOND THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE OF IT.
SO IF I TOOK IT DOWN FOR A MONTH AND THEN REINSTALLED IT, THEN IT WOULD BE TEMPORARY, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO WHAT? YOU, IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO? I I COULD
IT'S A REMOVABLE REMOVALS MOVING STRUCTURE.
HOWEVER, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD DISAGREE.
THAT WIRING REQUIRES A PERMIT, IT REQUIRES A MASTER ELECTRICIAN TO COME IN THAT WOULD GIVE ME THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S A PERMANENT, YOU'RE STATING THAT IT'S TEMPORARY, BUT YOU HAD IT REWIRED.
IT MUST TAKE A CERTIFIED MASTER ELECTRICIAN TO DO THAT, DOES IT NOT? YES, OR I DIDN'T HAVE IT REWIRED.
SO WHO DID? BUT I, BUT I CAN, A THE TENANT DID, BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY, UH, PROP HAVE, HAVE HIM TAKE IT DOWN, TAKE OUT THAT WIRING, AND THEN WE ARE BACK AT WHERE WE HAVE THAT TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
I WILL JUST GO ON RECORD AS SAYING, I DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS EXEMPT FROM THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES IN THE COA REQUIREMENT, MADAM CHAIR.
AND, AND TO THE IIII EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.
I, I CAN TELL THAT, THAT THIS HAS BEEN A, A, A JOURNEY.
UM, I, I GUESS I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SAY IT, IT DOESN'T FEEL TO ME THAT THIS WOULD BE A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
I, AND, AND EVEN IF IT WERE, IT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE UNDER THE GUIDELINES OF, OF WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED IN TERMS OF HISTORIC, UM, HOMES.
BUT, UM, AS SOMEONE WHO'S HAD A HOUSE WITH A CARPORT, IT STAYS AROUND LIKE, LIKE YOU HAVE IT AND, AND YOU USE IT AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS SEASONAL OR SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY, UH, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO.
IT'S, IT'S THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO I, IT DOESN'T APPEAR FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS OR FROM THE DESCRIPTION THAT THIS WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS SOMETHING THAT IS TEMPORARY.
BUT I, I DO, I DO EMPATHIZE WITH WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
YOU SAID YOUR TENANT HAD IT STRUCTURE, HAD IT CONSTRUCTED CORRECT.
WITH THE, WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE, ELECTRICAL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS OR QUESTIONS? WELL, I MEAN, I, TO ME THIS ISN'T, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS IT JUST, IT RAISES OTHER CONCERNS THAT ARE IN ADDITION TO THE, YOU KNOW, COA AND HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
BUT I GUESS IF WE'RE, SINCE THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE WE'RE ADDRESSING HERE, I GUESS WE CAN JUST DISCUSS THE SCALE, THE MATERIAL, THE, YOU KNOW, IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND HOW THAT MATCHES UP.
SO, UM, WELL, AND AND TO BE CLEAR, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CARPORT, THIS IS THE PLACE TO HAVE IT.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE KIND OF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT LIKE OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS HERE IS BASICALLY THAT IT, IT BE OF US, IT'D BE OF A SMALLER SCALE, LOWER HEIGHT, MEET SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
AND TYPICALLY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS WE REQUIRE LIKE A WOOD FRAME TO CONSTRUCTION.
SO IS IT SOME, FOR ONE, I, I COMPLETELY SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH THE MONTICELLO COMMUNITY SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE WHAT YOU NEED, SEEING THAT IT WAS DONE WITHOUT YOUR UNDERSTANDING, AND ALSO COMPLY WITH THE C-T-A-B-C AS WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD NOW BE WHAT? THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE WOODS AND HEIGHTS AND SCALE? YEAH, I MEAN, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS STIPULATE ALL OF THOSE THINGS FOR THE FINDINGS.
SO ESSENTIALLY, I GUESS THE MOTION WOULD WOULD BE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH
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THOSE STIPULATIONS.AND HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANT CAN WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO, UH, TO FIND SOME MIDDLE GROUND THERE.
WHAT ABOUT LO LOWER? KEEPING THE SAME MATERIAL BUT LOWERING THE STRUCTURE.
IF, IF Y'ALL WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH ME.
'CAUSE I, 'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A MOVABLE STRUCTURE THAT I CAN, UM, MAKE CHANGES TO SO I CAN LOWER THAT SAME STRUCTURE AND THEN I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A NEW ARRANGE.
'CAUSE NOW WHAT IT ASKS, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS Y'ALL ARE ASKING ME FOR A PERMANENT STRUCTURE THERE.
IF I'M GONNA HAVE A WOOD STRUCTURE, I'M NOW BUILDING, GOING TO BUILD A NEW GARAGE OR A NEW, WHEN.
I JUST WANTED SOME COVER FOR CAR.
BUT DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT THE TENANT WAS ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO CONSTRUCTED IT? YES.
SO ARE YOU THE LIGHTING? THE LIGHTING IS SO ARE, SO ARE YOU THERE NOW? NO, I'M NOT THERE NOW.
THE TENANT IS THERE AND YET THE TENANT IS THE ONE WHO INSTALLED IT.
THE TENANT INSTALLED THE ELECTRICAL.
THAT'S WHAT EARLIER YOU HAD SAID, DID THE, DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL? THE TENANT INSTALLED THE ELECTRICAL, BUT YOU INSTALLED THE STRUCTURE.
AND IT'S BEEN ABOUT TWO YEARS.
THE COMPANY, TENANT COMPANY INSTALLED.
IT'S A, IT'S A FRAME COMPANY FOR THAT.
UH, SIR, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD APPLICATION? I'M OUR FATHER AND I'M JUST HERE TO LISTEN TO YOU GUYS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A PROCESS LIKE THIS BEFORE.
BUT CAN YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF? JIM MATHIS.
CAN CAN YOU TELL ME WHO YOU ARE?
ANYWAY, WHAT I WANNA SAY IT'S A PEAKED ROOF, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE GARAGE, WHICH WAS ALLEGEDLY CONFORMING TO THE REGULATIONS THAT SHE WAS TOLD.
AND ALSO, IF YOU GET A COMPANY OUT TO DO A CARPORT, THEY DON'T BUILD A, A WOODEN CARPORT.
YOU GOTTA EITHER CALL A CONTRACTOR TO, UH, BUILD A WOODEN WOODEN CARPORT.
IT TAKES DIFFERENT, UH, PROCESSES COST A LOT MORE.
SO THIS WAS BUILT BY MY DAUGHTER TO KEEP THE RESIDENCE THAT'S LIVING THERE NOW FROM HAIL DAMAGE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU GO BACK TO LOWERING THE ROOF, IF THEY GOT A TRUCK OR SOMETHING, IT'S NOT GONNA FIT IN THERE CORRECTLY.
THERE'S A LOT OF STIPULATIONS THAT YOU GOTTA TAKE INTO EFFECT WITH THAT.
IT CAN BE UNBOLTED LIKE SHE, SHE ADDRESSED YOU GUYS.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S BOLTED ON FRAMES ON THE FLOOR.
MR. MATHIS? MA'AM? OVER HERE, SIR.
I'M LEGALLY BLIND, SO NO WORRIES.
I'M DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU, SIR.
I, I KNOW, I REMEMBER HEARING NAME.
UHHUH
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU MOVE INTO A HISTORICAL, YOU ALSO MOVE WITH THE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE.
NOW WHETHER OR NOT ANYBODY WAS MADE AWARE, WELL AT THAT POINT IT'S A DETERMINATION WHETHER MR. MATHIS, IT'S IN CON MR. MATHIS NOT JUST LET HIM.
YOU KNOW, HE'S MAKING A DECISION THAT'S NOT IN BLACK AND WHITE.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
ACTUALLY, CAN I JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? SORRY, MADAM.
UM, HOW, HOW MUCH DISCUSSION, UM, JESSICA HAVE YOU AND THE TEAM HAD WITH THIS APPLICANT? I MEAN, HAVE YOU GUYS GONE THROUGH, UM, THE SIGNIFICANT REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE UNDER OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES, SO THAT THEY'RE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE, UM, I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH INTERACTION THERE'S BEEN BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE NOT REALLY AWARE OR AT LEAST SOUNDS LIKE FROM THEIR COMMENTS THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF THE GUIDELINES.
APPLICANT PROVIDED HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO LINKS TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND WAS ALSO PROVIDED A COPY OF THE RECOMMENDATION.
LAST, UH, FRIDAY IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.
AND PRIOR TO THAT, JESSICA, WERE THERE ANY OTHER INTERACTIONS WITH DA? YES, I SENT THE APPLICANT, UM, PER MY NOTES EARLIER.
UM, I SPOKE WITH HER ON THE PHONE AND THEN ALSO FOLLOWED UP WITH AN EMAIL, UH, WITH A LINK TO THE APPLICATION LINKED TO HGRC INFORMATION, UM, AND A LIST OF REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION.
AND THIS WAS IN 2023? UM, YES, THAT WAS IN 2023.
WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM HER FOR, UH, A FEW MONTHS.
UM, AND THEN WHEN STAFF FOLLOWED BACK UP FOR COMPLIANCE REASONS, UM, SHE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION.
AND WAS IT BUILT AFTERWARDS OR PRIOR TO THE COMPLIANCE? THIS IS A VIOLATION, SO WE WERE ON SITE BECAUSE WE RECEIVED A, A CALL FROM A CONCERNED CITIZEN.
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OKAY, THANK YOU.ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, RECOMMENDATIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR A MOTION.
I WILL, UH, MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS LISTED.
THERE IS A MOTION IN A SECOND.
I'D LIKE TO CALL OR HAVE A ROLL CALL.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 5 0 1 HAY STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF THAT FEATURES, UM, STRIATIONS ON THE PANELS AND A RIDGE CAP STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE, UM, REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING SHINGLED ROOF FOR THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEA SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH OF THE STANDARD GAVEL LOOP FINISH PANEL SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT SEDATIONS OR CORRUGATION RE LARGER FEATURE DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION.
NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED OF CHIMNEY, FLU AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MUST BE PRESERVED.
AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOF MATERIALS MATCH, UM, AND APPROVE THE SPECIFICATIONS.
NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROOF PITCH OR ROOF FORM ARE REQUESTED OR APPROVED AT THIS TIME.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, JAMES, UM, JOHN GOODWIN IS HERE IN PERSON? YES, MA'AM.
GOOD MORNING, I'M JOHN GOODWIN.
THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU ALL
SO, UM, I LIVE AT 5 0 1 HAYES STREET.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE IS, DOES TO KEEP OUR CITY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT.
I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THE EXTENSION OF MY APPROVAL TO REPLACE MY METAL ROOF.
I HAD APPROVAL IN 2017 AND APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO THE OHP CODES.
I'M A VETERAN WHO CARES ABOUT MY COMMUNITY AND DOING MY PART TO MAINTAIN ITS HISTORICAL HERITAGE.
FOLLOWING RULES AND BEING COMPLIANT IS PART OF WHO I AM.
I WOULD NEVER INTENTIONALLY GO OUTSIDE OF OHP GUIDELINES OR OTHER GUIDELINES TO UNDERMINE ITS PURPOSE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE PROCESS.
I DO THIS PARLIAMENTARY PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH.
WHILE IT DOES BRING OUT A LOT OF EMOTIONS IN ALL OF US BECAUSE WE CARE, IT ALSO COMES DOWN TO A PERSONAL PREFERENCE, WHETHER IT'S ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL OR A STAFF OR THE BOARD ITSELF.
AND I, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT I'M A REALIST.
UM, SO THAT'S WHO I AM, WHAT MY SITUATION IS.
IN 2017, I REQUESTED TO HAVE THE SHINGLES ON MY ROOF, REPLACED WITH THE METAL ROOF WHERE I RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM OHP STAFF.
AT THAT TIME, IT WAS THE STAFF THAT APPROVED IT.
UM, IT DIDN'T GO TO THE BOARD.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT UNTIL I STARTED LOOKING INTO THE SITUATION.
AND THEN I REALIZED THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO DO.
AND THANK YOU ALL BASED ON THE CONDITION OF MY HOME, I WAS ADVISED IN 2017 BY MY ROOFER THAT THE ROOF STRUCTURE WOULD NOT SUPPORT REPLACEMENT WITHOUT REINFORCING THE INTEGRITY OF THE ROOF.
BASED ON THE ROOFER'S RECOMMENDATIONS, I HAD TO DIVERT MY ROOFING REPLACEMENT FUNDS TO HIRING AN ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEER FOR AN, UH, I'M SORRY, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER FOR AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION.
DUE TO THE COVID PANDEMIC, I WAS FORCED TO PUT MY PROJECT ON HOLD.
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IN JANUARY 23, I HIRED AN ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEER TO EV, EVALUATE AND DESIGN AN APPROPRIATE ROOFING STRUCTURE SOLUTION FOR MY HOME.THE CONTRACTOR STARTED THE REQUIRED ROOFING STRUCTURE REPAIRS IN DECEMBER OF 2023 AND COMPLETED THE WORK IN JANUARY OF 24.
THE ROOF AND CEILING REPAIRS, THE ROOFING AND CEILING REPAIRS HAVE BEEN REINFORCED TO EXCEED CURRENT STRUCTURAL STANDARDS.
ON JANUARY 26, 24, I RECEIVED A QUOTE FOR METAL ROOF.
WITHIN TWO WEEKS, WE HAD SIGNIFICANT WEATHER THAT REMOVED MORE OF THE EXISTING SHINGLES AND ROOFING MATERIALS LEADING TO SIGNIFICANT LEAKING THAT I'VE SENT IN STAFF PICTURES.
UM, ON MARCH 26TH DURING A SIGN, UH, I, WELL, JANUARY 26TH.
ON MARCH 24TH, WE SIGNIFICANT RAINSTORM.
THE WATER, WATER WAS WITNESSED RUNNING INSIDE OF MY WINDOWS AND INTO MY HOUSE, ALSO DAMAGING THE $85,000 ROOF STRUCTURE THAT I HAD JUST PUT IN.
OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, UNDER THESE STRESSFUL CIRCUMSTANCES, I FELT STRONGLY THAT I HAD TO IMMEDIATELY ADDRESS THE ISSUE TO SALVAGE THE EXPENSE EXPENSIVE AND EXTENSIVE REPAIRS THAT WERE JUST COMPLETED.
I DID NOT UNDERSTAND OR REALIZE THAT MY PREVIOUS APPROVAL HAD REQUIRED, HAD BEEN EXPIRED.
AND I FOUND OUT LATER ON THAT I WAS INCORRECT.
THAT IT, IT DOES, IT'S ONLY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, UPON SPEAKING WITH OHP STAFF ON 27 MARCH, I REQUESTED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THEY ACTUALLY HELPED ME WALK ME THROUGH THAT PROCESS BECAUSE I'M AN OLD GUY.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO DO THOSE THINGS.
THEN I DISCOVERED THE APPROVAL OF ROOF WAS NOW IN THE, WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
AT THIS TIME, I HAD ALREADY ACCEPTED A BID FOR REPLACEMENT FROM A COMPANY WHO HAS PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED WORK IN HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
ON MARCH 29TH, I HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY, UM, WHICH REQUIRED ME TO BE OUT OF TOWN DURING THE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE I CAN'T HAVE THE, I CAN'T HAVE $85,000 GO TO WASTE.
UPON MY RETURN ON APRIL 12TH, I RECEIVED A CALL FROM OHP STAFF INFORMING ME THAT MY ROOF WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
I DID NOT KNOW I WAS NOT PRESENT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OHP STAFF.
UM, AND THAT I WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME HERE AND PRESENT MY CASE TODAY, I WOULD, UH, AGAIN, LIKE TO FORMALLY REQUEST AND SUPPORT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THE WORK THAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY MAINTAINING MY A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOME FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS.
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING OF THIS IMPORTANT MATTER.
UM, THE, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER CERTIFICATE I RECEIVED FROM 12 FEBRUARY FOR THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY I'M POURING INTO THIS HOUSE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN IT.
I BELIEVE IN THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.
AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO DO MY PART TO BE A, A GOOD STEWARD OF THAT PROCESS.
UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THE ROOFER DID MY HOUSE, HE DIDN'T DO IT IN THE, IN THE GUIDANCE STANDARDS OF OHP AND I.
SO I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OR, WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE THAT PART OUT AS WE GET INTO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT I HAD TO DO.
I REALLY, I REALLY LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY PRESIDENT'S HERE, SHE'S AMAZING.
UM, WE REALLY DO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER.
AND I'M TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS TOO.
UM, BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE THAT I, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS STRUCTURE AS IN, IN, IN ITS ORIGINAL STATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND, UM, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THIS.
UM, WE DO HAVE ONE IN-PERSON, SPEAKER, AND ONE VOICEMAIL.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
UM, ON BEHALF OF JOHN, UM, ON BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBER, JOHN GOODWIN, THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION EXECUTIVE BOARD IS EXPRESSING ITS SUPPORT OF THE ROOFING WORK DONE AT HIS RESIDENCE LOCATED AT 5 0 1 HAYES STREET.
MR. GOODWIN RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM OHP FOR THE METAL ROOF IN HIS HISTORIC, ON HIS HISTORIC HOME SOME TIME AGO.
BUT DUE TO UN, DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND HIS CONTROL, WAS UNABLE TO COMPLETE THE WORK UNTIL MARCH, 2024.
WE RECOGNIZED THAT THE EXTENDED TIMELINE OF COMPLETION MAY HAVE COMPROMISED HIS APPROVAL STATUS AND THAT THE WORK DONE TO HIS ROOF IS NEVERTHELESS IN ALIGNMENT WITH O P'S ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
BECAUSE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLIANT WITH O HP'S GUIDELINES FOR APPROPRIATENESS AND CLEARLY MEET THE STANDARDS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT DR.
THAT THE DRC APPROVE MR. GOODWIN'S METAL ROOF.
UM, THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF DHNA IS AVAILABLE TO EXPLORE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO REACH OUT WITH GRATITUDE.
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UH, PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.I ALSO WANTED TO, UM, I HAD ONE CAVEAT AFTER STUDYING THE CASE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, WHEN I WROTE THE LETTER, IT WAS ACCORDING TO, UM, THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, UM, PAGE 14 THAT SAYS, USE A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP WITH NO RIDGE CAP VENT OR END CAP.
WHEN A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM IS NOT USED.
I THINK IT WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE AS LONG AS THE, UM, END CAPS ARE REMOVED.
SO I'M HOPING THAT HE CAN KEEP IT BECAUSE IT DOES, ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES, UM, MATCH WHAT IS A PART OF THE GUIDELINE AS LONG AS THOSE LITTLE TRIANGLE END CAPS ARE TAKEN OFF.
GOOD MORNING, THIS IS LOUIS FRANCOIS, CHAIRPERSON OF THE DIGNITY WHI HILL ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 39.
WE AGREE WITH OH P'S FINDINGS AND STIPULATIONS.
BASED ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT STATED, IF THOSE END CAPS ARE REMOVED, WOULD THEY BE IN COMPLIANCE? THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ISSUES.
UM, SO LET ME JUST, THIS IS PROBABLY TOO MUCH INFORMATION, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO HAVE THE INFORMATION 'CAUSE I THINK THIS MIGHT BE YOUR FIRST ROOF CASE.
UM, WHEN THE COA IS ISSUED FOR METAL ROOFS, UH, THEY'RE VERY OFTEN APPROVED.
UM, IF THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT IT HAD A METAL ROOF PREVIOUSLY, THEN IT WOULD COME HERE TO THE BOARD.
UM, BUT VERY OFTEN THEY'RE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY, UM, WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT MEET THE GUIDELINES.
AND SO THOSE STIPULATIONS INCLUDE THE CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM, WHICH IS, UM, JUST KIND OF A FOLDED OVER STANDING SEAM METAL.
UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE RAISED CAP, WHICH IS USUALLY INSTALLED FOR VENTILATION.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS DONE HISTORICALLY.
AND SO IT JUST MAINTAINS THAT HISTORIC AESTHETIC A LITTLE BETTER.
UM, THERE'S A NEWER TECHNOLOGY FOR STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS THAT INCLUDES THESE STRIATIONS.
UM, THERE'S A FEW OTHER KIND OF TEXTURES YOU CAN GET, UM, THAT IS, UH, VERY OFTEN RECOMMENDED BY THE CONTRACTOR.
UH, FROM LIKE A WARRANTY PERSPECTIVE, THE STRIATIONS HELP WITH PUCKERING THAT SOMETIMES HAPPENS.
UM, WHEN A METAL ROOF IS INSTALLED, THE, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE SOMETIMES MOVES A LITTLE BIT AND THOSE THAT METAL CAN BECOME SORT OF, UH, WARPED.
UM, AND SO THE STRIATIONS KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE MORE RIGID STRUCTURE AND HELP WITH THAT.
UM, BUT IT IS A DIFFERENT APPEARANCE.
AND SO WE UPDATED OUR, OUR GUIDANCE, UM, A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN THAT BECAME MORE POPULAR TO CLARIFY THAT IT SHOULD BE THE, UH, SMOOTH STANDING SEAM.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGE THERE ON THE TOP IS THE FOLDED RIDGE CRIMP.
UM, THE PHOTO YOU SEE BELOW THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF A LOW PROFILE, UH, RIDGE CAP.
AND SO IT'S JUST KIND OF RESTING, UM, NOT ON THE SEAM.
IT'S NOT RAISED AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE VENT.
UM, THIS CAN LOOK LIKE A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, AND SO BELOW YOU CAN SEE TWO EXAMPLES OF THE RAISED VENT.
AND SO YEAH, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE THAT END CAP, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
UM, BUT THAT IS THE DETAIL THAT IS NORMALLY NOT APPROVED.
UM, THE WAY WE ENSURE THAT THIS HAPPENS IS THAT IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS WE HAVE A SITE INSPECTION, UH, BAKED IN.
SO WHENEVER WE DO GET A PERMIT, UH, WE MAKE SURE IT HAS A COA AND THEN BEFORE WE RELEASE THE PERMIT, UH, WE WILL SCHEDULE A SITE VISIT WITH THE CONTRACTOR IN THE FIELD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE STIPULATIONS, UM, AND WILL INSTALL IT CORRECTLY.
UM, THE ISSUE IS THAT THIS IS NOT AN EASY THING TO FIX ONCE IT'S BEEN DONE.
UM, YOU CAN'T GO BACK IN AND THEN FOLD THESE SEAMS BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN CUT AND THEY'RE NOT LONG ENOUGH TO DO THAT FOLDING DETAIL WITH.
AND SO THERE HAVE BEEN, JUST DEPENDING ON HOW THAT RIDGE CAP HAS BEEN INSTALLED, SOMETIMES THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED JUST REMOVING THAT END CAP, DEPENDING ON IF IT'S NOT A VERY TALL, UH, VENT.
UM, SOMETIMES THEY'VE ALSO GONE BACK IN AND REQUIRED KIND OF A FLAT SEA BE INSTALLED VERSUS THE RAIDS VENT.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF UP TO THE CONTRACTOR TO DETERMINE WHAT IS POSSIBLE GIVEN HOW THE ROOF WAS PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED.
NOW, THE ISSUE WITH THE STRIATIONS, I, THERE'S NOT REALLY A WAY TO REVERSE THAT.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT IS HERE SEEKING APPROVAL OF HOW IT WAS INSTALLED.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE THAT CONTEXT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN INFORMED DECISION.
AND ADAM, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
WHEN DID THE ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE EXPIRE? SO IT WAS ISSUED IN 2017 AND IT'S AVAILABLE, IT'S ONLY VALID FOR SIX MONTHS.
SO IT EXPIRED QUITE QUITE A WHILE AGO.
GO AHEAD AND COME UP TO THE MIC, SIR.
SO THE CONCERN, I'M SORRY, I'M
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JUST NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH ABOUT THE STRIATIONS, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING.SO IF YOU, IF YOU PULL UP, YOU HAVE THE OTHER PICTURES THAT I, OF EITHER MY HOUSE OR, BECAUSE YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON MY, UH, ACTUALLY YOU CAN SEE THE, SEE THE LINES BETWEEN THE LARGE CRIMPED PARTS.
THAT'S THE STRIATIONS IN BETWEEN, MA'AM.
UM, BUT IT THERE, AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE DID IT, SO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT TOO.
BUT THERE ARE THREE OTHER HOUSES WITH THIS EXACT SAME ROOF WITHIN TWO BLOCKS OF MY HOUSE.
UM, WHETHER THEY DID IT THROUGH GET THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS, WHICH IS THIS OR NOT, I, I CAN'T SAY TO TO HOW THAT OCCURRED, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE THREE OTHER HOUSES WITHIN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I COULD THROW A ROCKET HIT
SO I MEAN, YEAH, I WILL, HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS, IS VERY HARD TO ENFORCE.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED THAT INSPECTION A FEW YEARS AGO.
THAT WAS A CHANGE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE WERE GOING IN THE RIGHT WAY.
UM, SO YEAH, WHAT, HOW IT WAS INSTALLED IS, IS BASICALLY COMMON PROCEDURE.
THAT'S HOW THE CONTRACTOR'S GONNA RECOMMEND IT.
AND SO IF THEY HAVEN'T WORKED IN THE STORE DISTRICTS OR AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE, WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE NORMALLY REQUIRED, UM, THEN, THEN THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T KNOW ANY DIFFERENT.
AND I ACTUALLY SENT A TEXT WITH THE, UM, SHE HAD THE SLIDE UP EARLIER ABOUT THE, WITH THE PICTURES OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, STYLES AND VARIATIONS.
I SENT THEM PICTURES OF THIS VERY DIRECTLY TO, TO THE CONTRACTOR BEFORE I LEFT.
BUT I, WHEN I LEFT, UNFORTUNATELY, I, UH, HAD A, I LEFT A FRIEND IN CHARGE OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE I HAD OTHER BUSINESS PENDING PRESSING BUSINESS, I GUESS.
SO, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
UM, IF I AM UNDERSTANDING THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS CORRECTLY, UM, YOU, THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UM, THAT, THAT THE ENTIRE ROOF BE REPLACED.
I, I'M, I'M CONFUSED ON WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, BUT BEFORE THAT EVEN GETS ANSWERED, I KNOW THIS IS A POST WORK CASE.
IS THE ROOF COMPLETED? SO THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS TO STAFF.
THE ROOF IS ALREADY COMPLETED, THE JOB'S DONE.
UM, YES, STIPULATIONS ARE STATING THAT THE, ESSENTIALLY THE WHOLE ENTIRE ROOF WOULD NEED TO BE DONE TO FIT THE STATIONS.
NOW I KNOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED EVEN HERE THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO BE ABLE TO, I GUESS, LIMIT THE EXPENSE OR GO BACK IN SUPPORT OF, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WERE DONE THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO REGULATE PRIOR TO? UM, WELL, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING CAN BE DONE TO HELP THE STRIATIONS.
I I DO THINK THAT THE CONTRACTOR MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROPOSE SOLUTIONS TO AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE RAISED RICH CAP THAT'S BEEN DONE IN OTHER SITUATIONS, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA DEPEND ON HOW THOSE PANELS WERE CUT AND HOW MUCH SPACE THERE IS AND ALL OF THAT.
MAY I SPEAK COREY? COREY, I HAVE A QUESTION.
YEAH, GO AHEAD AND COME TO THE TAKE UP TO THE MIC PLEASE.
AND I'M PRIOR TO YOU SPEAKING, I'M GONNA LET HIM ASK HIS QUESTION.
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, LOU COLLIN, I'M REMOTE.
UM, ON THE, FOR CTA I'M JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE, THE DID NO HILL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S UM, REALLY IT SEEMS LIKE A, A STICKING POINT POTENTIALLY IS THE, UH, IS THAT, IS THE END CAP.
UM, MY, IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS, UH, WOULD YOU BE, ARE, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO REMOVING WORKING WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR TO REMOVE THAT, THAT END CAP? UM, AND, AND POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT I SEE MOVING FORWARD IS I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO HAVE YOU TEAR THE ROOF OFF AND YOU SEEM LIKE YOU'VE, YOU'VE WORKED TO BE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES AND, AND SOMETIMES THIS, THIS SORT OF THING HAPPENS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION HERE, UH, YES SIR.
I ARE YOU, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO JUST REMOVING, WORKING WITH A CONTRACTOR TO REMOVE THAT CAP? ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, IF, IF, IF I, I CAN AFFORD TO GET THOSE THINGS DONE, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD TO GET IT, THE ROOF TAKEN OFF AND RE-PUT BACK ON.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHATEVER THEY CAN DO WITH, WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, I'M WILLING TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET IT CORRECT BECAUSE I, MY INTENT WAS NOT TO, TO GO AGAINST THE GRAIN, IT WAS TO GET IT DONE CORRECTLY.
SO, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THESE, LIKE YOU SAID, THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
SO YES, I'D BE ABLE AMENABLE TO THAT PROCESS.
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MAKE A MOTION.YOU, YOU HAD A COMMENT, MA'AM? YES, I, I BELIEVE THAT IT IS A LOW PROFILE RIDGE, NOT A RAISED RIDGE FROM WHAT I'VE OBSERVED.
IS THAT NOT RIGHT COREY? NO, YOU CAN SEE HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE HERE LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE A RAISED, CAN YOU SEE THE LOW PROFILE IS HOW IT LAYS FLAT? RIGHT.
AND SO HERE IN THIS PHOTO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT IS VERY PROMINENT, HOW IT LIFTS UP.
HOW, HOW IT WOULD BE INSTALLED IS TOWARDS THE RIDGE.
THE, THE STANDING PORTION OF THE SEAMS WOULD KIND OF FOLD OVER AND THEN A FLAT UM, CAP CAN SOMETIMES BE SOLDERED ON.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A DIFFERENT INSTALLATION.
WHAT WAS YOUR COMMENT, MA'AM? OH.
YOU THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION? YES.
UM, SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS JUST SO I'M CLEAR.
UM, YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT NOT IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT? CORRECT.
AND THEN, UM, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, AND THIS GOES TO WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING.
UM, IS THIS TYPE OF STRIATION ON, ON THE ROOF, IS THAT NOW COMMON IN, IN THIS AREA? I MEAN, HE HAD MENTIONED THREE OR FOUR HOUSES THAT ARE CLOSE TO HIM.
WHAT IS THE PREVALENCE OF, OF THIS TYPE OF ROOFING NOW? IT'S VERY PREVALENT.
I RECENTLY REMODELED A HOUSE AND MY ROOFER WAS GOING TO DO THAT, BUT THEN I, YOU KNOW, I REACHED OUT TO OHP AND THEY SAID THAT THAT WASN'T ALLOWED.
BUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN DIG WOODY HILL? AND I THINK IT WE'RE VERY UNIQUE AND THAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE.
IT'S JUST VERY, VERY INCONSISTENT.
UM, AND I GUESS THAT'S BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE HAVE NOT APPLIED FOR THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THEY'VE JUST GONE AND DONE WHATEVER THEY WANT IT TO DO.
ESPECIALLY IN SITUATIONS WHERE THERE WAS ALREADY A METAL ROOF.
AND THAT IS WHAT THE ROOFERS TYPICALLY RECOMMEND IS THE CAPS.
YOU KNOW, EVEN MY NEIGHBOR, I HAD TO TELL 'EM, YOU CAN'T PUT THE CAPS, UM, YOU CAN'T DO THE RAISE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S JUST A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW.
SO YES, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU WILL SEE THIS ROOF THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL SEE ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, COMING TO THE BOARD, THEY KNOW ME WELL.
UM, WHEN PEOPLE MOVE INTO THESE HISTORIC, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS, ME EVEN AS A REALTOR FOR 20 YEARS, WE DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S NO GUIDELINES GIVEN TO US.
IT SHOULD BE AT CLOSING WHEN YOU CLOSE ON YOUR HOME, IT SHOULD BE A CA UM, IT A COURSE FOR REALTORS WHO ARE SELLING IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO THIS CONSTANTLY BECAUSE THOSE OF US BUYING AND SELLING, UM, HISTORIC HOMES DON'T HAVE THE GUIDELINES AND NOT ARE NOT AWARE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE GUIDELINES BEFORE WE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON OUR HOMES.
AND THE GENTLEMAN ON THE, ON THE MONITOR, LUKE, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? I, I, I'M JUST READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF, IF IF IT'S TIME FOR THAT, IF I'M ABLE, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'M READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S, UH, TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
I SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UM, THAT THE, UM, THE APPLICANT REMOVED THE CAPS AND WORK WITH THE ASSOCIATION AND STAFF TO DO SO.
SO THE ISSUE NOW THAT THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO THE MOTION NEEDS TO FAIL FIRST, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
I CAN, I CAN AMEND MY, I CAN AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL AND THE CAPS.
WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, IT NEEDS TO AGREE TO IT.
SAY AGAIN? WHOEVER MADE THE SECOND WOULD NEED TO AGREE TO THE A AMENDED.
YEAH, I ACCEPT THERE IS A MOTION WITH AN AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE CAPS AND WORK WITH STAFF.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CLOSING COMMENTS? UM, JUST TO THE APPLICANT, I, BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING, UM, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT KIND OF, UH, SOLDERED ON SEAM.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A PICTURE OF THAT TO SHARE WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.