* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO HOARDER [3:00 PM – Call to Order] THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 1ST, 2024. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELASQUEZ. HERE. GALLOWAY. MASUKA. HERE. GUEVARA. HERE. GROUP. HERE. CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND. HERE FETZER. HERE. GIBBS. UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE JUST HAVE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT FROM INTERPRETER SERVICES. YES. TRANSLATION SERVICES. PLEASE START THIS. INTERPRETERS ESPANOL. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, VICE CHAIR AND ACTING CHAIRMAN FOR TODAY. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU'RE THE OWNER OF A REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APP APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? WE DO. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, IT'S MAY 1ST, WHICH MEANS WE'RE HERE IN NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. UM, WE CELEBRATE EVERY YEAR HERE IN SAN ANTONIO BY HIGHLIGHTING A VARIETY OF EVENTS. UM, AND THOSE CAN BE VIEWED ON OUR ONLINE CALENDAR AT SA SPEAKUP.COM/PRESERVATION MONTH 24. OR IF YOU JUST GO TO SA SPEAKUP.COM, YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN AND, AND SEE THAT LINK. UM, I WANNA QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT A FEW EVENTS THAT, UM, OHP IS HOSTING. UM, THIS FRIDAY WE HAVE THE ANNUAL AMAZING PRESERVATION RACE ON FRIDAY. UM, IF YOU ARE WANTING TO PARTICIPATE, IT'S TOO LATE. REGISTRATION IS FULL. SO WE SHOULD HAVE ABOUT 200 RACERS PARTICIPATING AND IT'S ALWAYS A FUN EVENT. UM, THAT NEXT WEEKEND, SATURDAY, MAY 11TH, WE HAVE OUR REGULAR CEMETERY STEWARDS WORKSHOP ON THE EAST SIDE CEMETERIES. RACHEL, RAISE YOUR HAND, LEADS THAT FOR US. UM, AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, ONE OF OUR, UH, COMMUNITY LISTENING, UH, SESSIONS FOR THE PROPOSED SILK ROAD CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT. THAT'S ALSO ON SATURDAY MAY 11TH. UM, AND THEN ALSO THAT NEXT WEEK WE HAVE A WEBINAR, UM, ON THURSDAY, MAY 16TH ON HOW TO BECOME A CITIZEN HISTORIAN. IT'S ALL ABOUT HISTORIC PROPERTY RESEARCH AND JESSICA LEADS THAT AND DOES A REALLY GREAT JOB. IT'S VERY INTERESTING. UM, SO BE SURE TO CHECK OUT THAT FULL SCHEDULE, INCLUDING OUR, UM, OUR PARTNER EVENTS. UM, THAT'S ALL ON ESSAY SPEAK UP.COM. UM, AND WITH THAT WE CAN [Approval of Minutes] APPROVE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS APRIL 17TH. YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MIN MINUTES OF APRIL 17TH. SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] UM, WITH THAT WE CAN BRING OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. UM, WE HAVE JUST THREE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA TODAY. UM, ITEMS ONE, THREE, AND FIVE. ITEMS TWO HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO THE NEXT MEETING. AND THEN ITEM FOUR HAS BEEN REFERRED TO CTAB. UM, WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL, SO THAT ONE WILL NOT BE HEARD HERE TODAY. UM, WE HAVE NO VOICEMAILS OR SIGNED IN SPEAKERS FOR [00:05:01] THESE ITEMS. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. MR. SABINO A MOTION TO ACCEPT ALL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER FOUR, AND ALL THOSE ITEMS WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. YOU HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND. ANY COMMENT? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SABINO? AYE. VELASQUE? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 46 NAVARRO, 3 0 3 LEE, AND 1 48 EAST ELSMERE. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER, OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, HCRC CASE, 2024 DASH 1 0 6 26 19 MCCULLOUGH AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE AN INFILL EIGHT WOOD WINDOWS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH FACADE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. PREVIOUSLY ENCLOSED PORCH TWO. REPLACE THE FIVE EXISTING OPERABLE WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH FACADE WITH FIXED WINDOWS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON ITEM BASED ON FINDING. C AND D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REINSTALL WOOD WINDOWS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY IN PLACE, OR A SALVAGE PRODUCT THAT REPLICATES THE PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED WINDOWS IN SIZE, OPERATION, DESIGN AND CONFIGURATION. UM, AND THE APPLICANT, BRENDA ZUNIGA, IS HERE IN PERSON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE BEGIN, UM, BEGIN, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THIS ONE IS ALSO WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL, BUT A FEW MONTHS AGO YOU ALSO TOOK ACTION REGARDING THE SITING. AND SO THESE ARE KIND OF TIED, AND SO WE WANTED TO KEEP IT HERE AT THE HCC VERSUS REFERRING THIS PART TO THE CTA. YES. THANK YOU. AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT IN DECEMBER OF YOU DO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. MY NAME IS BERTA SUNGA. I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I'M THE OWNER OF SUNGA LAW OPERATING OUT OF 26 19 MCCULLOUGH AVENUE. I PURCHASED A BUILDING IN DECEMBER OF 2016 FOR $350,000. IT WAS JUST A SHELL OF A BUILDING AND THERE WAS NOTHING INSIDE, SO I REMODELED THE ENTIRE INSIDE AND I KEPT IT AS A, AS AS A TYPE OF HOME. I DID NOT, UH, PUT LITTLE CUBICLES FOR OFFICES, ET CETERA. UM, BUT IN ANY EVENT, I SPENT 248,000 REMODELING THE BUILDING IN 2017, EARLY 2017. PART OF THE PART OF WHAT I HAD TO DO, UH, FOR THE BUILDING, AND I BROUGHT A LITTLE, UM, VISUAL HERE. IN 2017, I HAD TO, ON THE 27 WINDOWS THAT WERE IN THE BUILDING, I HAD TO PURCHASE THIS MAGNETIC STRIPS TO PLACE IN THE INSIDE. AND THIS COST ME $7,000. SO ALL OF THIS WERE PLACED INSIDE THE WINDOWS. I KNOW THE WINDOWS THERE ON MCCULLOUGH. AS THE YEARS WENT BY, UH, THIS, UH, MAGNETIC, UH, UH, PANELS, UH, WOULD FALL OFF THE WINDOWS. BUT MOST PARTICULARLY, I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE FIRST FLOOR, THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE A BUILDING. WHEN I PURCHASED A BUILDING, I HAD TO HAVE A FOUNDATION REPAIR BECAUSE THE BUILDING WAS, UH, SHIFTING AND THE WAY THAT THE WINDOWS REMAINED WITH THE PANELS ATTACHED TO IT, IT MADE THE BOTTOM PART OF THE WINDOWS, UH, PANELS FALL OFTEN, AND, UH, IT WAS EXTREMELY COLD IN THE FIRST FLOOR. UH, DURING THE YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN THERE, I HAVE PURCHASED TWO SEPARATE AIR CONDITIONERS. UH, IN 2020, I PURCHASED A TRAIN, AIR CONDITIONERS, TWO SETS FOR THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER HOT, NEVER HOT WHEN IT WAS COLD AND NEVER COLD WHEN IT WAS, WHEN IT WAS SUMMER OUTSIDE, UH, IN THE WINTER, IT WAS ALWAYS LIKE 70 DEGREES IN THE FIRST FLOOR. UH, SO WHAT [00:10:01] I WHAT, UH, HAPPENED WAS THAT THE PANELS WERE FALLING FROM THE FIVE WINDOWS THAT WERE ON THE SOUTH FACADE, AND I DECIDED TO REPLACE THEM. I CALLED THE WINDOW COMPANY AMAZING EXTERIORS, AND THEY CAME OVER AND THEY GAVE ME A PRICE. AND I PAID 2000 FOR EACH OF THE FIVE WINDOWS, UH, TO AMAZING EXTERIORS. SO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING HAS BRAND NEW WINDOWS, AND I NO LONGER HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING COLD IN THE DOWNSTAIRS. BUT AS FAR AS THE UPSTAIRS IS CONCERNED, UH, THERE'S BEEN EIGHT, UH, WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN CLOSED OFF. UH, ALL THE WINDOWS WERE CLOSED OFF IN 2017. IN THE INTERIOR, UH, IN THE INTERIOR, UH, I PUT SHEET ROCK SO THAT THOSE SPACES COULD BE USED AS OFFICE SPACES BECAUSE, UM, IT WAS VERY HOT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PORCH. THE PORCH HAD TOO MANY WINDOWS. IT WAS ALL ENCLOSED, UH, WINDOWS, UH, THREE ON THE NORTH, THREE ON THE SOUTH, AND I BELIEVE SIX IN THE FRONT. SO I, I PUT, UH, SHEET ROCK IN THE INSIDE SO IT COULD BE USED AS AN OFFICE SPACE. AND LATER ON WHEN THE SIDING WAS REPLACED IN THE BUILDING, UH, THAT'S WHEN THE, SOME OF THE WINDOWS ON THE OUTSIDE CAME OFF. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE NOW EIGHT WINDOWS, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR ENCLOSED PORT, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN COVERED UP. AND, UH, WHERE THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT I REINSTALL WINDOWS, UH, FROM THAT PARTICULAR ERA. SO WHAT I'M HERE TO ASK FOR IS FOR, UH, SOME LENIENCY IN THE PART OF THE COMMITTEE. I'VE NOT DONE NOTHING BUT ENHANCED MY BUILDING. UH, I HAVE MAINTAINED A HISTORIC NATURE OF THE AREA, AND ALL AROUND ME ARE ABANDONED HOMES AND OTHER HOMES THAT ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION. AND MY BUILDING LOOKS FINE, I BELIEVE, EXCEPT FOR THIS, UH, ISSUES THAT I HAVE, UH, UM, UM, THAT HAVE REMAINED. SO IN, IN ALL HONESTY, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SPEND ANY MORE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, UH, TO TRY TO EXPERIMENT WITH, UH, WINDOWS FROM THE FIFTIES OR THE SIXTIES OR THE SEVENTIES, BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TRYING TO KEEP THE WINDOWS THE WAY THEY WERE IN THEIR ORIGINAL STATE WITH THE, UH, MAGNETIC STRIPS THAT ENDED UP NOT, UH, WORKING IN THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THE BUILDING. NOW, THE, THIS MAGNETIC STRIPS REMAIN ON SOME OF THE WINDOWS IN THE TUB PORTION, BUT THEY CONSTANTLY FALL OFF. AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM BECAUSE THE LATCHES DO NOT ATTACH WELL, UH, IN THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY WERE INSTALLED. SO, UH, FOR THOSE REASONS THAT, UM, I'M ASKING THE COMMISSION TO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT I FACED SIX YEARS, UH, FROM 2017 ON WITH FREEZING TEMPERATURES IN THE FIRST FLOOR WHERE I HAVE MY BUILDING. I HAD TO CHANGE THE AIR CONDITIONER'S HEATING TWICE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE ISSUE. AND THE PROBLEM WAS THE AIR FILTERING THROUGH, THROUGH THE OLD WINDOWS AND THE GAPS THAT, UM, WERE BECAUSE OF THE SHIFTING OF THE, UH, FOUNDATION. SO, UH, I LEAVE IT UP TO YOU TO TELL ME, UH, WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BUT, UH, ALL I'VE DONE TRY TO DO IS ENHANCE THE BUILDING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAILS OR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. YES, WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON, SPEAKER LARRY POWELL. YEAH, JUST HAVE A SEAT. AND THEN LARRY, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND GIVE YOUR COMMENTS, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN YOU'LL BEGIN. OKAY. UM, IT'S A PLEASURE TO STAND BEFORE THE BOARD THIS AFTERNOON. UM, I'M LARRY POWELL AND MY WIFE AND I, UH, MOVED INTO, UH, MONTE VISTA IN 1974. WE'VE BEEN, UH, IN THE SAME PLACE SINCE THEN. I'VE BEEN ON THE MONTE VISTA BOARD FOR SEVERAL YEARS. I'M NOT AT THE MOMENT, BUT, UM, I, UH, IF I MAY, I, I'D LIKE TO DIRECT, UH, JUST A FEW COMMENTS TO THE, UH, UH, COUNSELOR SUNGA SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO US ABOUT WHAT SHE CALLS THE PORCH ACTUALLY. UH, IT'S MORE [00:15:01] OF A SUNROOM SORT OF THING. AND THE SUNROOM KIND OF, UM, FEATURE THAT YOU FIND ON A BUNGALOW LIKE THIS, UM, IS, UH, RATHER A TRADEMARK OF THE STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE. AND THERE ARE TWO ORIGIN STORIES TO IT. ONE IS, UH, YOU MIGHT, AS MS AS COUNCIL, UH, SUNGA MAY HAVE ASKED HERSELF, WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANNA PUT 12 WINDOWS IN A ROOM? DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TODAY. WELL, UH, THERE ARE TWO REASONS. ONE IS WHEN THESE ROOMS BECAME POPULAR, AND YOU FIND SUCH ROOMS IN LOTS OF OTHER HOUSES IN MONTE VISTA, UM, WHEN YOU FIND SUCH ROOMS, UM, THERE, THERE ARE TWO REASONS, AS I SAID. UH, ONE, ONE REASON IS THAT AT THAT TIME, THE UNITED STATES ON A, A NATIONAL BASIS WAS GOING THROUGH, UH, A TUBERCULOSIS EPIDEMIC. UM, OF COURSE AT THAT TIME, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW TO TREAT TUBERCULOSIS. BUT THE FOLK WISDOM OF THE TIME WAS THAT, UM, FRESH AIR AND SUNSHINE, UH, WOULD PROBABLY BE THERAPEUTIC. SO IF YOU PUT A ROOM THAT HAS 12 WINDOWS IN IT, YOU CAN SEE WHAT I MEAN. AND HERE WE ARE IN SAN ANTONIO, WHICH AT THAT TIME WAS A BIG, UH, CENTER FOR, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAD TUBERCULOSIS AND AT THE SAME TIME PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO COME HERE AND RECOVER. SO YOU HAD A LOT OF SANITORIUM OR SANITARIUM BEING BUILT, AND THEY ALL HAD LOTS OF WINDOWS. THE SECOND ORIGIN STORY ON THESE ROOMS IS THAT WHEN FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT WAS, UM, BUILDING THE IMPERIAL HOTEL FOR THE JAPANESE MONARCHY, HE MADE SEVERAL TRIPS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND JAPAN. AND AT THAT TIME HE ENCOUNTERED ZEN ZEN BUDDHISM. ONE OF THE TENETS OF ZEN BUDDHISM IS THAT ONE SHOULD FEEL THAT ONE IN HARMONY WITH THE NA, WITH NATURE, THERE SHOULD BE NO BARRIERS BETWEEN, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE OUTSIDE NATURE. SO HOW DO YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM? AS AN ARCHITECTURE, YOU PUT LOTS OF GLASS IN THE ROOMS, AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID. HE ALSO HAD, UH, HE USED CLASS IN, UH, SEVERAL CREATIVE WAYS, ALRIGHT, OVERALL, UH, AND COUNSEL SUNGAS NARRATIVE, NEVER DID I HEAR WHEN SHE WAS SITTING THERE TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT, UH, SHE MENTIONED OF TEMPERATURE CONTROL. DID I HEAR HER WHEN SHE WAS TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THEM? THINK MAYBE I OUGHT TO CALL THE, UH, HISTORIC OFFICE AND ASK THEM WHAT THEIR ADVICE IS. AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE THE BUREAUCRACY IS FOR ESPECIALLY EARLY NEW, NEW TIME BUYERS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S INTIMIDATING. OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE A LAWYER, YOU WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE SO INTIMIDATED. SO PERHAPS THAT WASN'T THE CASE HERE. AM I FINISHED? OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. YES. AND IT'S JUST STAFF ZUNIGA, WOULD YOU COME BACK UP PLEASE? UH, IN FINDING B IT SAYS THERE WAS A COA ISSUED IN JANUARY, WHAT? 17TH 2024. WHAT WAS THAT COA FOR? WELL, UH, I CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, AND THAT WAS FOR THE SIDING, RIGHT? AND FOR THE SIGNING. AND I HAD THE EMAIL WHERE THE SIGHTING WAS, UH, HAD BEEN APPROVED, UM, BY, THROUGH EMAIL THAT I COULD REPLACE, UH, UH, NEW SITE, NEW SIGHTING ON TOP OF ALL SIGHTING. I HAD, UH, INQUIRED AND I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE CITY APPROVING THAT. AND I THINK THAT THAT MADE A DIFFERENCE WITH THE COMMISSION. AND Y'ALL DETERMINING THAT I HAD, UH, I COULD KEEP THE SIDING, IT COST ME $19,000 TO PUT ALL NEW SIDING ON THE BUILDING. YES. SO, AND ON JANUARY 17TH, 2024, THE PROPERTY OWNER DID ATTEND HDRC, UM, TO REQUEST THE HARDY SIDE TO BE PLACED ON TOP OF THE LAP SIDING STAFF DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THAT, BUT THE HDRC DID TAKE ACTION THAT TO APPROVE, UM, AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. CORRECT. SO YOU KNEW THE PROCESS OF SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION, ASKING FOR SOMETHING. UM, DIDN'T WE ALSO DISCUSS THE FRONT DOOR THAT TIME? [00:20:01] NO, I DON'T RECALL. BUT WHEN I CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, THE WINDOWS HAD ALREADY BEEN INFILLED AT THAT TIME IN NOVEMBER OF 2023. AND, UH, I DIDN'T BRING IT UP. SO THE UPSTAIRS ON HIS WINDOWS, I DID NOT BRING IT UP. THE UPSTAIRS WINDOWS OF THE SUNROOM, UH, THE UPSTAIRS WINDOWS IN THE SUNROOM HAD ALREADY BEEN CLOSED OFF BY THE NEW SIDE, NEW SIDING. AND AS I SAID, THEY HAD BEEN, UH, THERE WAS SHEETROCK INSIDE. OKAY. SO THAT I COULD USE THEM, THEM AS, OKAY, HOLD ON. SO THE SHEETROCK WAS IN THE INSIDE, BUT YOU HAD ALREADY, BEFORE WE APPROVED IN JANUARY, THE NEW SIDING, THOSE UPSTAIRS WINDOWS HAD ALREADY BEEN COVERED UP? YES. REMOVED AND COVERED. REMOVED. I DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN REMOVED OR DISCARDED. UM, IT WASN'T UNTIL WE GOT A REPORT, A CITIZEN'S REPORT THAT I DID GO BACK OUT THERE AND INVESTIGATE AGAIN. AND THAT'S WHEN I NOTICED THAT THE WITNESS HAD BEEN REMOVED AND IT, AND, UM, DISCARDED. AND I THINK ALSO THAT WHEN SHE CAME IN JANUARY, SHE HAD ALREADY DONE A LOT OF THE WORK OF THE SIGHTING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. I BELIEVE SHE SAID THAT IT WAS LIKE 75% DONE, BUT THE FRONT FACADE HAD NOT BEEN COMPLETED. THANK YOU. AND THE WINDOWS HAVE, EXCUSE ME, THE WINDOWS HAD ALREADY BEEN REMOVED BY NOVEMBER OF 2023. SO, UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT, UH, I DO APPRECIATE THE HISTORIC, UH, UH, A VIEW OF WHAT, WHY THERE WERE SUNROOM, BUT I PURCHASED THAT FOR AN OFFICE SPACE, AND THAT SUNROOM WAS A SAUNA, SAUNA FOR MY OFFICE STAFF WHO HAD TO SIT THERE AND TYPE. AND SO THAT'S WHY I HAD TO, UH, PUT THE SHEET ROCK ON THE INSIDE. AND IT WAS DURING THE TIME THAT THE SHEET, UH, THAT, UM, THE SIDING WAS BEING REPLACED ALL AROUND THE BUILDING, UH, THAT I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TO TELL THE CONTRACTOR, SINCE THE WINDOWS HAD ALREADY BEEN CLOSED OFF IN THE INSIDE, I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TO TELL THE CONTRACTOR IN NOVEMBER OF 2023 TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, AND, UH, PUT SIDING OVER THE WINDOWS AND REMOVE THE WINDOWS. MR. CHAIR, I'LL DO A MOTION IF NO MORE QUESTIONS. OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, MR. CHAIR, JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A POINT OF ORDER, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WHEN, WHEN, UH, THE, UM, I DON'T, APPLICANT WALKED UP, SHE WAS GONNA RESPOND TO SOMETHING, BUT WAS CUT OFF. SO I'M WONDERING IF SHE STILL WANTED TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE, I THINK YOU WERE ALSO GONNA ASK HER TO RESPOND, BUT WHEN SHE GOT CUT OFF NO, NO, NO. MY INITIAL QUESTION WAS TO STAFF NO, NO. BUT I DON'T MEAN THAT I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT. SHE WAS, SHE WAS ALREADY COMING UP BEFORE ANYBODY SAID ANYTHING TO RESPOND. MS. ZUNIGA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO YES, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH, UH, THE HISTORIC VIEW THAT I LEARNED OF TODAY. UH, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED AND MAYBE I, I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN SOME MORE ABOUT THE MONTE VISTA AREA, BUT WHAT THE SITUATION THAT I AM FACING AGAIN, IS THAT I HAD A SAUNA IN THE, IN THE PORCH WITH SO MANY WINDOWS, AND THAT'S WHY I HAD TO ENCLOSE OR TAKE OFF THE SIX WINDOWS, OR TOTAL EIGHT WINDOWS, UH, FOUR ON THE NORTH AND FOUR FOUR ON THE SOUTH. SO HERE I AM REQUESTING, UH, POST-FACTO APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING THAT I'VE ALREADY DONE. AND I SURE WOULDN'T LIKE TO REPLACE THE, THE FIVE NEW WINDOWS THAT I HAVE DOWNSTAIRS ON THE SOUTH SIDE BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THEM COST ME $2,000, OR FROM AMAZING EXTERIORS WHO INSTALLED THE WINDOWS. I'VE ONLY DONE IT TO BEAUTIFY THE BUILDING AND WHATEVER, UH, VALUE IT HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY IN THE 18 HUNDREDS FOR TUBERCULOSIS OR WHATEVER, I'M TRYING TO USE IT AS AN, AS AN OFFICE SPACE. AND I HAD TO TAKE THE STEPS THAT I HAD TO TAKE BECAUSE OF THE EXTREME COLD IN THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE EXTREME HEAT IN THE, IN THE SECOND FLOOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID THAT THE UPSTAIRS WINDOWS DID HAVE, UM, SHEET ROCK ON THE INSIDE WHEN YOU PURCHASED THE HOUSE? NO, I INSTALLED THE SHEET ROCK IN THE INSIDE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING WHEN, UH, I PURCHASED IT SO THAT I COULD USE THAT AREA AS AN OFFICE SPACE. OKAY. BECAUSE IT HAD TOO MANY WINDOWS AND IT WAS TOO HOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, COMMISSIONER GROUP, UM, MR. CHAIR? I, YES, MA'AM. MOVE TO DENY [00:25:02] STAFF RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOVE TO DENY HER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND. MOTION TO SECOND DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. AND THEN, UM, I THINK WHAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP BY YOU, UH, WAS A VALID POINT. I MEAN, THE HEAT YOU HAD ALREADY MITIGATED THE HEAT PROBLEM BY SHEET ROCKING ON THE INSIDE, WHICH I THINK WE'VE, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES SEEN AS BEING THE SOLUTION. UM, WHEN YOU WANTED ADD THE SIDING AND YOU JUST WENT OVER REAL QUICK, LIKE YEAH, JUST MOVE, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THE SIDING OVER THE WINDOWS. THAT'S, THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THEN. AND I THINK, UH, WHOEVER WAS SPEAKING HERE ON BEHALF OF CITIZEN AND ALSO FROM THE, UM, LETTER FROM THE MONTE VISTA, I MEAN, THEY ARE CORRECT. THIS IS A CHARACTER DEFINING THE HOUSE, UM, RE CONCERNING THE BACK WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH FACADE. I MEAN, AND THE OTHER THING IS LIKE, I, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAME IN ON KNOWING THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT YOU COME TO US FOR PERMITS. UH, ME, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO IT ON PURPOSE OR HOW, WHAT WAS THIS DECISION MADE OR YOU WERE LIKE, I JUST TOLD THE CONTRACT TO COVER IT UP. I MEAN, THERE IS A PROCESS AND I FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, I, I FEEL BAD, BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE TRUE CHARACTER DEFINING THE HOUSES, UH, THE WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH FACADE. I MEAN, IF YOU HAD COME AND ASKED US BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN MODIFICATIONS OF THE, OF THE FENESTRATION ORIGINAL FENESTRATION SIZES, RIGHT? SO THERE'S ALSO BEEN THAT MODIFICATION MORE THAN JUST INSTALLING A, A NEW WINDOW. AND, AND WE HAVE MANY TIMES COME, HAVE MANY TIMES COME, YOU KNOW, CAN COME TO US AND ASK US TO REPLACE A WINDOW IF IT IS. BUT ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE TWO FIXED WINDOWS ARE SO MUCH TO THE FRONT OF THE HOME AND VISIBLE. I THINK THAT AGAIN, IT'S ALSO MODIFYING THE CHARACTER, DEFINING, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTS OF THE HOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SINO? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I ALSO WANT TO AGREE WITH, UM, MY COLLEAGUE AND ALSO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CITIZEN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAME FORWARD. THIS HOUSE IS A QUINTESSENTIAL BUNGALOW WITH A SOLARIUM UP IN THE FRONT. IT'S ON A PROMINENT STREET. THIS IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS KNOWN FOR. AND TO KEEP THAT INTACT IS, UM, IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. VERY IMPORTANT. THE OTHER THING I WANNA SPEAK TO IS THAT, AND THIS IS NOT JUST YOUR PARTICULAR CASE, BUT AS WE SEE OTHER CASES COMING FORWARD, UM, AND AS YOU KNOW TOO, YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL, A LICENSED, REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL. UM, AND SO YOU KNOW, THE IMPORTANCE OF CONSULTING WITH PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE, ESPECIALLY ON SOMETHING VALUABLE AND, AND, AND HISTORIC AND COMPLEX AND EXPENSIVE LIKE THIS. AND I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS TO REACH OUT TO STAFF FROM THE, FROM THE INCEPTION OF AN IDEA BEFORE ANY WORK IS DONE. UM, WHETHER IT'S STAFF OR A PROFESSIONAL, WHETHER IT'S A DESIGNER, A ME, A MECHANICAL ENGINEER, WHO COULD HAVE GUIDED YOU THROUGH THOSE THERMAL RETROFITS AND MODIFICATIONS. UM, WE CAN, UM, GAIN A LOT BY PARTNERING WITH A PROFESSIONAL. AND, UM, THIS IS ONE CASE WHERE THAT WOULD'VE REALLY BENEFITED THE, THE EXPENSE THAT YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH. BUT, UM, I DO WANNA SAY ALL, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND MS. ZUNIGA, YOU CAN CHECK WITH STAFF WHAT, UH, YOUR OPTIONS ARE FROM HERE. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. ITEM SEVEN ON THE HDRC AGENDA, 4 29 MADISON STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING FRONT STOOP TO CREATE A FULL WIDTH FRONT PORCH. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING FRONT STOOP TO CREATE A FULL WIDTH FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS [00:30:01] ONE BY THREE WOOD TONGUE AND GROOVE FLOORING FOR THE PATIO INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE FACADE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WOOD LATTICE TO MATCH EXISTING SKIRTING RATHER THAN THE BRICK PROPOSED. AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A PORTRAYING DETAIL TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, SO THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH STOOP. LEMME PULL UP A PHOTO REAL QUICK. UM, HISTORICALLY THE PROPERTY FEATURED A TWO STORY FRONT PORCH THAT HAS SINCE BEEN INFILLED. YOU CAN SEE A GOOD PHOTO OF IT. I GUESS THAT IS THE BEST PHOTO. SO THE FRONT PORCH WAS INFILLED WITH CMU AT SOME POINT. UM, THIS MASS HERE AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, SORRY, TOO MANY KEYBOARDS. THERE WE GO. FRONT PORCH EDITION, SHOWN HERE. UM, AND THEN JUST TO NOTE THE APPLICANT AFTER POSTING DID AGREE TO ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, THE APPLICANT JOHN LENS IS HERE IN PERSON. THERE IS ONE LETTER ON FILE FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE CONCURRING WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AND NO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, MR. LINZ SHALL COME FORWARD. INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. HELLO, I'M JOHN LINZ. I'M ACTUALLY A, A BUILDER. I'M REPRESENTING, UH, HERE TODAY FOR THE OWNERS WHO ARE OUT OF TOWN. UH, AND I REALLY DID NOT PLAN TO SPEAK TODAY. I WAS JUST WANTED, WANTED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. AND I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN ORDER. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, I DID SEE THE, UH, LETTER IN THE CASE FILE THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE, THAT THE OWNERS HAVE AGREED TO. STAFF STIPULATIONS. YES, SIR. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT. WELL, I'M SORRY, JUST, I JUST WANNA ASK A QUESTION. YES, SIR. WHAT, WHAT WAS THE PROCESS USED TO COME UP WITH THE STYLE THAT WAS SELECTED? THIS, UM, THIS CONCEPT WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. THAT ROOF LINE WAS ON THE SECOND STORY. SO IT, IT NOW HAS MOVED. SO THIS RENDITION IS A CLOSER, UM, RENDITION OF WHAT THE HOME ORIGINALLY LOOKED LIKE, BUT THE, THE ROOF COVER WAS ON THE SECOND FLOOR. BUT TO CHANGE THAT NOW WITH, TO TRY TO MOVE THIS PATIO TO THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD ALTER THE ORIGINAL ROOF LINE. SO THIS CONCEPT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL BUIL, THE ORIGINAL BUILDER'S DESIGN, I THINK. AND IT WAS THE HOMEOWNER'S DESIGN. THIS IS NOT MY DESIGN. SO, SO, SO THERE WASN'T ANY, ANY EXPLORATION OF THAT HAPPENING AT THE FIRST, AT THE SECOND LEVEL? N NO. UH, IT'S NOT AN OPTION. UH, WE WOULD BE CHANGING THE ORIGINAL ROOF LINE ON THE SECOND STORY THAT IS THE ORIGINAL, UH, ROOF LINE. OKAY. BUT, BUT, BUT FROM STAFF'S PRESENTATION, THERE WAS A SECOND STORY, RIGHT? IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOWS RIGHT HERE ON THE SECOND STORY, RIGHT, THAT WAS A COVERED PORCH. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT, OR THAT ORIGINAL ROOF LINE WAS OVER THE PORCH. SO ESSENTIALLY A CMU BLOCK WALL WAS BUILT ON THREE SIDES OF THAT PORCH, THE FRONT AND TWO SIDES. AND THESE WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED. OKAY. W WHICH WAS AN OPEN RAILING AT, AT, IN, IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. I SEE. AS I UNDERSTAND IT. SO, SO THEN IN EFFECT IT'S IN ADDITION. UH, AND SO THE FRONT, THE FRONT STOOP, THE CENTER ROOF LINE ON THE SINGLE STORY, UM, AT THE SINGLE STORY IS, IS THE ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH. CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE SEVEN? I THINK THAT SHOWS, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, REALLY QUICKLY, SO THIS, UH, THIS ROOF LINE HERE THAT JOHN WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THE ORIGINAL ROOF LINE. THERE WAS A TWO STORY FRONT PORCH, SO THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A FLOOR PLATE HERE. THIS SORT OF PORTA CODE SITUATION WAS A LATER EDITION THAT I ASSUME CAME WHEN THEY INFILLED THE FRONT PORCH. UM, OR AT A LATER DATE. UH, SO THE, THE TWO STORIES THAT ARE ENCLOSED WERE WAS THE MASS OF THE TWO STORY FRONT PORCH HISTORICALLY. AND, AND, AND STAFF. FOR, FOR STAFF. YOU DON'T SEE THAT AS A, AS [00:35:01] A OUTSIDE OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT ADDITION. THAT'S HOW WE WORDED THE REQUEST. IT IS IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING FRONT STOOP. OKAY. ALRIGHT. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, LIKE THE INSTINCT IS THAT TYPICALLY WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND A NEW FRONT PORCH WHERE THERE WASN'T ONE. HOWEVER, THERE'S BEEN SO MANY ALTERATIONS ON THIS FACADE. WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE ULTIMATELY THERE WAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THIS AS A HISTORIC RESOURCE. IT WASN'T REALLY IMPACTING HISTORIC MATERIALS. UM, AND REALLY IT'S JUST AN EXPANSION OF THE PORTICO THAT'S ALREADY THERE. SO WE FOUND IT TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT REASON. OKAY. THANK YOU COREY. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, HAVE THE MOTION IS SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. MASUKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP? AYE. MR. EZ? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I, I WOULD LIKE TO REMARK WE DO PROJECTS ALL OVER THE SOUTH SOUTHERN US. THIS LADY HERE IS A VERY PROFESSIONAL LADY. IT WAS THE BEST EXPERIENCE WE'VE EVER HAD, SO THANK YOU. THANKS TANYA. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. ITEM EIGHT ON THE AGENDA, HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 15 9 2 2 2 CAMARGO. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE ONE WINDOW ON THE FIRST STORY OF THE EXISTING REAR EDITION WITH FRENCH DOORS AND A TRANSOM AND TWO CONSTRUCT, A TWO STORY REAR EDITION WITH DECK STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INTRODUCES WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE SOUTHWEST ELEVATION AS NOTED IN FINDING F TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS IN A CUT SHEET FOR A NEW WINDOW PRODUCT THAT CONFORMS TO STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS NOTED IN FINDING F AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES DOORS WITH TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS FOR THE ADDITION AS NOTED IN FINDING G. UM, THE REQUEST FOR A TWO STORY EDITION OR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS FOR A TWO STORY ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOUSE. UM, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT WINDOWS SPECS TO STAFF THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE CASE FILE. UM, UH, BUT THEY DON'T CONFORM TO STAFF STIPULATIONS. THEY INCLUDE A NAIL FIN, WHICH TYPICALLY MEANS IT CAN'T BE INSTALLED AT THE, A DEPTH THAT MEETS OUR, OUR STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS. UM, BUT THE APPLICANT'S WORKING WITH US TO ADDRESS THAT. UM, AND THEN ALSO NOTE THAT AFTER POSTING THE APPLICANT AGREED TO ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, THE APPLICANT DANIEL CRUZ IS, UH, JOINING US VIA WEBEX AND THERE ARE NO LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE. DANIEL, ARE YOU THERE? OKAY. YOUR, YOUR BOX LIT UP, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. CAN YOU TRY PLAYING WITH YOUR AUDIO SETTINGS? MAYBE TRY THE, THE CALL IN OPTION. HOLD ON, DANIEL, WE'LL TRY SOMETHING ON OUR END AS WELL. DANIEL, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW? WELL, HE CAN HEAR US. WE JUST CAN'T HEAR HIM. [00:40:18] YEAH. DANIEL, CAN YOU UNMUTE AND TRY NOW? COREY, DO WE MAYBE WANNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK WHILE THE ADDRESS, DANIEL, I'M GONNA SEND YOU A CHAT. LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN, UM, IF YOU'RE CLOSE BY, IF YOU CAN, UM, COME HERE TO THE MEETING ROOM AND WE CAN DO THE OTHER CASE WHILE WE, UH, WAIT FOR YOU TO ARRIVE. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO RESPOND IN THE CHAT. OKAY. MR. FETZER, IT'S UP TO YOU HOW WE WANNA PROCEED. UM, LET'S EITHER WAIT FOR THE APPLICANT TO ARRIVE OR GET, UH, HE SAYS HE'S GONNA TRY ANOTHER DEVICE. OKAY, I THINK I SUGGEST WE GO TO THE IN-PERSON CASE AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS ONE. OKAY? UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM EIGHT ONCE WE GET THE APPLICANT. I AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 27 3 25 EAST LOCUST. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE PARTIALLY DEMOLISH, UH, UH, THE REAR CMU ADDITION. TWO, CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR ADDITION. THREE, MODIFY THE STRUCTURES FENESTRATION PATTERN FOUR, MODIFY THE FRONT PORCH TO INCLUDE FRONT ADDITION REPLACEMENT WITH A NEW FRONT FACING GABLE. ADDITION. FIVE, MODIFY THE EXISTING ROOF FORM AND MATERIALS AND REMOVE THE REAR CHIMNEY. SIX, INSTALL REAR REAR PARKING AND SEVEN, MODIFY THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT OR STAFF FINDS THE APPLICATION INCOMPLETE. THERE ARE NOT SUFFICIENT EXISTING ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO DOCUMENT PROPOSED CHANGES THAT IMPACT THE SIDE OR THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS. SHOULD THE HGRC RECEIVE ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THAT WOULD WARRANT CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E. ITEM TWO. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REAR ADDITION AT THIS TIME. WHILE THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT MAY BE APPROPRIATE, THE DESIGN DOES NOT CONFORM WITH GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF SUBORDINATION AND DISTINCTION FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. ITEM THREE, THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT INFORMATION FOR STAFF TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FROM MODIFICATIONS TO THE STRUCTURES ADMINISTRATION PATTERN. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANTS APPLY AS-BUILT DRAWINGS OF THESE ELEVATIONS AND CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE PROPOSED CHANGES TO FENESTRATIONS AND ROOF FORMS. ITEM FOUR, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. UM, THE PROPOSED OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED FRONT PORCH EDITION AND ALTERATIONS, ALTERATIONS TO THE PORCH SHOULD BE BASED ON EXISTING EVIDENCE AND NEW FRONT ADDITIONS SHOULD BE ELIMINATED FROM THE DESIGN. ITEM FIVE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW ROOF CONFIGURATION MATERIALS AND REAR CHIMNEY REMOVAL. EXISTING ROOF FORMS SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND REMAIN DISTINGUISHABLE FROM MANY PROPOSED ADDITIONS. THE EXISTING MATERIALS INCLUDE A PRESSED METAL SHINGLE THAT IS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND SHOULD BE REPAIRED IN KIND EXISTING CHIMNEYS SHOULD BE PRESERVED IN PLACE. ITEM SIX, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REAR PARKING BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDING T WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A PERMEABLE MATERIAL FOR THE PARKING AREA. AND ITEM [00:45:01] SEVEN STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDING YOU WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCLUDES PLANTINGS WITHIN THE PROPOSED GRAVEL AREA. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS GRAVEL, NOT EXCEEDING TWO INCHES IN SIZE. AND THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL GRAVEL NATURAL IN COLOR. THE APPLICANT RICARDO MCCULLOUGH IS HERE IN PERSON AND STAFF WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THE FOLLOWING BEFORE THE REQUEST IS HEARD. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS A THROUGH D AND AS REPRESENTED IN THE SANBORN HISTORIC AERIAL MAPS, THIS FULL VICTORIAN STRUCTURE HAS BEEN HEAVILY MODIFIED THROUGH ITS HISTORY. HOWEVER, FEATURES SUCH AS THE ORIGINAL PORCH ROOF FORM, CENTRAL DORMER BAY CONFIGURATION, TWO CHIMNEYS, ET CETERA, STILL REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY. STAFF MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE APPLICANT ON SITE TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL PLANS FOR REPAIR VERSUS DEMOLITION ON FEBRUARY 29TH, 2024. THE APPLICANT INTENDED A-D-R-C-A VIRTUAL DRC ON APRIL 9TH, 2024 TO DISCUSS THIS PROJECT. AND COMMISSIONERS AND ATTENDANCE WERE JEFF ZER, ROLAND MAZUA, AND C COMMISSIONER, UH, MICHAEL OG. AND THERE ARE NO LETTERS AND NO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS CASE. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. I'M RICARDO MCCULLOUGH. THE I'M THE DESIGNER OF THE PROJECTS AND IT'S BASICALLY, UM, A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT. IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN 1950S AND THROUGH THE YEARS, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS ADDED AND ADDED AND ADDED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE, IT'S SITTING ON PYRAMID BIM AND, AND SIDING. AND THEN AT THE REAR THEY ADDED A FULL SLAB, CONCRETE SLAB IN ADDITION, DONE WITH CONCRETE BLOCKS AND FLAT ROOFS. , UH, THE INTENTION FOR US IS, IS TO REMODEL THE STRUCTURE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW AND CONVERT IT INTO, UH, A FOURPLEX TO UNITS IN THE FRONT AND TWO, TWO STORY UNITS AT THE BACK. UH, NOW THE HOUSE, BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED THROUGH THE YEARS, IT HAS LOST PRETTY MUCH ALL ITS CHARACTER. WE'RE THINKING THAT IT AT THE FRONT, IT WAS, THAT WAS A, A WRAPAROUND PORCH. WE'RE NOT SURE. THOSE COLUMNS ARE NOW ORIGINAL. YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOWS RIGHT THERE. THOSE FOUR WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, THEY'RE, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS. UH, SO WE ARE AT THE PROCESS OF, OF, UH, DOING THIS, PRESENTING THIS CONCEPT TO YOU, TO TO THE BOARD AND SEE WHERE, WHERE WE GO WITH, WITH IT. UH, IT'S UNSURE ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'M PROPOSING AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE NEW ROOF LAYOUT AND WHAT I'M PROPOSING AS FAR AS THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE PROJECT, WHICH I'M BASICALLY JUST COPYING. THERE'S A GABLE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND I'M BASICALLY COPYING EXACTLY THE SAME GABLE PUTTING UP IN THE FRONT AND REMOVING THE FOUR WINDOWS AND JUST ADDING TWO WINDOWS, UH, WOOD WINDOWS THAT WILL LOOK THE, THE PARTICULAR TIME OF, UH, OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. MR. CHAIR, I GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, ANYTHING ELSE MR. MCCULLOUGH? NO, I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS IF, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY. YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, THI THIS IS A, A, UH, FOR STAFF, THIS IS A, UM, A PROPOSAL 'CAUSE IT'S CONCEPTUAL, RIGHT? SO I'M LOOKING AT THE IMAGE ON, UM, PAGE 23 OF THE PDF, THAT, THAT THERE, SO AS THE APPLICANT IS JUST STATING, UH, FOR I THINK A LOSS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WITH RESPECT TO JUST THE VISUAL, RIGHT? NOT THAT THERE'S NOT A FIREPLACE AND A PEEKING OUT OF A GABLE, BUT I I I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF WHAT FROM THIS IMAGE HERE IS NOT CONCEPTUAL? WHAT, WHAT IS NOT ADEQUATE FROM A CONCEPTUAL STANDPOINT ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL THAT'S HERE? SURE. SO ONE OF STAFF'S CONCERNS, NOT NECESSARILY AS THE, UM, EXISTING FRONT ELEVATION AS IT'S DRAWN, UM, LET ME GO OVER ACTUALLY TO, UM, SO THIS WOULD BE SLIDE NUMBER 25. UM, SO THE, THE APPLICANT'S HAS, HAS PROVIDED, PROPOSED, UM, SIDE ELEVATIONS AND RE ELEVATIONS, UM, BUT HAS NOT INCLUDED, UM, DRAWINGS OF THE EXISTING, UM, STRUCTURE AS IT STANDS TODAY. AND SO, UH, USING PHOTOS STAFF IS NOT ABLE TO, UM, DETERMINE WITH CONFIDENCE, UM, ANY TYPE OF FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS THAT MAY OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY. AND SO THAT'S WHY STAFF, UH, MADE THAT COMMENT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION. WELL, NOW WOULD, WOULD IT BE BETTER ADVISED THAT THE APPLICANT COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UH, REQUESTING, UM, A, UM, [00:50:01] AN OPINION ON LOSS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE? THE REASON I SAY IS BECAUSE IN, IN THE LONG RUN, IT, IT BECOMES APPARENT THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A LONG PROCESS TRYING TO DISCOVER SOMETHING THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF SOMEONE WHO WOULD GO IN AND DESIGN FROM, FROM WHAT IS THERE, THAT IT CAN BE ANYTHING AT SOME POINT. SO THAT MEANS THAT IT SUBSTANTIATES THE LOSS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE WOULD BE TRYING TO SUBSTANTIATE OUR OPINION ON A CLEAR LOSS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH GETS US RIGHT BACK TO IN THE LOOP OF IT ALL, THAT IT COULD BE JUST ABOUT ANYTHING. SO STAFF HAS EVIDENCE THAT THE FULL WITH FRONT PORCH IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, UM, AS YOU SEE IT FROM THE FRONT STREET. AND AS IT IS IN THE, AS-BUILT DRAWINGS, THAT PORCH WAS ON THE FRONT PORCH. AND SO THE ONLY MODIFICATION TO THAT SPACE IS THAT THEY DID AN ADDITION THAT BUMPED THE RIGHT HALF OF THE FRONT ELEVATION TO THE EDGE OF THE PORCH. BUT THE ROOF FORM IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. UM, THE CENTRAL CHIMNEY STACK, UM, AND THE ROOF FORM OVER THE PORCH ARE ALL HISTORIC CONDITIONS. SO ON THAT FRONT FACADE IN PARTICULAR, UM, PART OF STAFF'S CONCERN IS THE INTRODUCTION OF THAT FRONT FACING GABLE CREATES A FALSE HISTORIC CONDITION THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE EVIDENCE, UH, THAT WE FOUND IN, UM, HISTORIC SANBORN MAPS. UM, NOT NECESSARILY CLEAR ON HOW THAT, HOW THERE'S NOT A VERY SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE. IF, IF MAY, UM, I DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE, THE ROOF OVER THE PORCH SITUATION. 'CAUSE THAT'S, UH, IT WAS, THAT WAS ADDED AND ADDED AND, AND I ACTUALLY GOT ON TOP OF, UH, OF THE STRUCTURE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND YOU CAN TELL VERY EASILY THAT, UH, PARTS OF THAT VERY LOW SHARED ROOF THAT I'M GOING, THAT I'M GONNA CALL, IT'S ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING, BUT IT WAS JUST DONE IN A VERY POORLY, POORLY MANNER. AND, AND STAFF'S COMMENTS TO THAT IS THAT, UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN IS THE SANDBORNE MAT FROM 1912, UM, SHOWING EVIDENCE OF THE FULL, UM, OR OF THE PORCH CONFIGURATION OR THE PREVIOUS ONE, UM, PRIOR TO THE MODIFICATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT. WELL, AND AND I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE. I I, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, AM LOOKING FOR, IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION TO STAFF, IS THAT THERE, THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST A REASONABLE IN A CONCEPTUAL THAT WE WOULD AT LEAST BE ABLE TO MAKE A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU COULD PEEL BACK ALL THE LAYERS OF THIS ONION AND THAT AT SOME LEVEL WE COULD OBLIGATE AN APPLICANT TO PULL BACK THOSE LAYERS. AND I DON'T, I, I JUST DON'T SEE THE RATIONALE FOR HOW YOU IN FULL CONFIDENCE FEEL THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE. WE'RE NOT ASKING THE APPLICANT TO RETURN IT TO ANY PREVIOUS CONDITION. WE'RE JUST ADDRESSING THE MODIFICATIONS THAT HE'S PROPOSED FOR IT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE EVALUATING WHAT HE'S PROPOSED AGAINST THE HISTORIC RECORD AND WE DON'T FIND IT CONSISTENT WITH OUR GUIDELINES. MR. CHAIR, CAN WE KEEP PURVIEW OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US? 'CAUSE THE, WELL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US. IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A WILDCARD. THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF APPROVAL, A DESIGN THAT IS PRESENTED TO US TODAY. THAT'S THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP FOR CLARIFYING THAT. OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION TO YOU, MR. MCCULLOUGH. HAVE YOU, UH, LOOKED AFTER, NOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, ARE ANY OF THESE ITEMS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE US? I DO. I DO FEEL THAT STAFF HAS A GOOD POINT OF, IT'S HARD TO GRASP. MAYBE GOES IN THE CONVERSATION OF GOING BACK AND FIGURING OUT FOR US TO GRASP WHAT PART IS THE ORIGINAL AND WHAT PART IS IN NEW, IN SOME OF YOUR DRAWINGS. ESPECIALLY NOT HAVING PICTURES OF ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE HOUSE OR WHAT'S IN NOW. YEAH, I MEAN MAYBE A SITE VISIT OR I DON'T KNOW. OR IF SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO IS COMING BACK AND GIVING US, YOU ALREADY DID THE DRAWING, SO YOU KIND OF ALREADY, I GUESS IT'S JUST ADDING WHAT IS THE ORIGINAL PART? THE ONE THING THAT I DO THINK STAFF HAS RIGHT, WHICH PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE, UH, FOR DISCUSSION VERSUS FINAL, IS THE, THE TWO STORY BEING HOW MUCH VISIBLE IS IT FROM THE STREET? UM, AND THEN I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, IS THERE ALLEY ACCESS FOR THIS PARKING OR YES. IS IT AN ALLEY OR IS IT A STREET? IT'S AN ALLEY, BUT ACTUALLY THERE ARE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE BLOCK FROM, FROM THAT ALLEY REFLECT IN A BUSINESS. AND MAYBE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ALSO. SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, SO PROBABLY DO MOTION, WE DID HAVE A, UM, A SITE VISIT WITH BRIAN AND WITH EDWARD. WE WALKED THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY AROUND. WE SAW THAT THE, THERE ARE MANY ADDITIONS THAT WERE, THAT WERE ADDED. IT'S VERY HARD TO TELL. UH, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RECORDS OF THIS [00:55:01] PROPERTY, THERE ARE, THERE WERE NO PERMITS PULLED. SO THERE WE, WE HAVE NO WAY TO TO KNOW. AND BY THE WAY, THIS HOUSE WAS TURNED AT ONE POINT IN A NURSING HOME UNTIL IT WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. UH, SO IT'S ALSO, UH, PRETTY HEAVY ENERGY IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I'M PRETTY SURE PEOPLE DIED IN THERE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CORRECT AS WELL. UH, BUT I'M WORKING WITH, UH, WITH STAFF, IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO PROPOSE ANYTHING ON MY END THAT AND, AND ENFORCE IT. SO I'M WORKING WITH BRIAN AND WITH EDWARD. WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH AND THEY GIMME IDEAS AND THEN I FIX THAT. AND THEN THE IDEA IS TO, TO GET IT APPROVED, OF COURSE, NOT TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT HERE IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AND OF COURSE BETTER THE BUILDING FROM THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. COMMISSIONER, I JUST WANNA ADD ONE THING TO THE CONVERSATION. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON THESE ELEVATIONS, BUT BRIAN, CAN YOU PUT THE ROOF PLANS ON THE SCREEN? SO WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING VERSUS PROPOSED ROOF PLAN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHAT THE LIKELY ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT IS BASED ON KIND OF WHERE THOSE HIP ROOF FORMS ARE. THOSE ARE PRETTY TRADITIONAL AND WITH THE CHANGES YOU CAN SEE THERE'S QUITE A FEW INTERVENTIONS PROPOSED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR CONCERN IS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT RESTORING THE CONDITION, BUT WE DO HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT THAT ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT IS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONS TO THAT SHOULD BE KIND OF MINDFUL OF HOW MUCH ALTERATION IS REQUIRED TO WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE ORIGINAL. A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, YOU MENTIONED IN THE FINDINGS THAT THERE'S SOME, UH, PRESS METAL ROOFING THAT APPEARS ORIGINAL. CAN YOU POINT ON THE EITHER PHOTOS OR THE ROOF PLAN WHERE THAT IS? IT'S LIKE IN THE MIDDLE, YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE FRONT. IT'S, IT MAY NOT BE ORIGINAL, BUT IT IS ON AN OLDER PORTION THAT IS NOT THE ADDITION THAT'S SUBJECT TO DEMOLITION. MAYBE THE PLAN, I MEAN, I KNOW I'VE SEEN IT, IT'S HERE SOMEWHERE. ON 24. BRIAN, WAS THAT MAYBE IN YOUR SITE VISIT PHOTOS, MR. CHAIRMAN? I DO A MOTION, YES. UM, YES, UNLESS THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS. I DO HAVE A COUPLE. WELL, I, I JUST WANNA QUESTIONS ON, UM, THIS IS FOR STAFF. ON PAGE 15 OF THE PDF FILE, UH, WE SEE TWO GABLES, UH, WITH THE WOOD CLADDING, UH, CORNICE, UM, MATERIALS, BUT, UM, FASCIA BOARDS ARE THOSE, WOULD YOU SUSPECT THOSE ARE ORIGINAL MATERIALS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. ? YEAH, I THINK SO. OKAY. AND MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, KNOW HOW MUCH OF A QUESTION IT IS, BUT IT'S JUST TO GET CLARITY FROM STAFF TO MAKE SURE I'M THINKING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BECAUSE I WANNA PUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PREVIOUS PROJECT. UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF COREY OR, UH, WHO, WHO WOULD WANNA, UH, GIMME CLARITY ON THIS. SO WHAT WE PUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LAST PROJECT THAT HAS AN ADDITION TO THE FRONT OF IT, PART OF THE VALUE OF THAT IS THAT IT'S NOT DISTURBING WHAT WE CAN SEE AS HISTORIC BEHIND THE BLOCK WALL. SO IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE OF WHAT IS THERE THAT IS ENCAPSULATED WITHIN THE BARNACLES, RIGHT. THAT GREW ON IT AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING NOT TO DISTURB, RIGHT? YEAH. WELL I THINK IT'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF ADDING MASS TO WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY A PORCH VERSUS ADDING A PORCH TO AN EXISTING MASS. I, I AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM, FROM WHAT YOU SAID WITH RESPECT TO THE ROOF PLAN. THE ROOF PLAN IS VERY TELLING. SO I APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GROOVE. I'LL DO A MOTION TO CONTINUANCE FOR CONTINUANCE. I WOULD SECOND AND AND SECOND. BASICALLY WHAT IT MEANS IS JUST I, YOU ANSWERED THAT. YOU SAID YOU COULD GET US MORE INFORMATION. I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE IS BETWEEN STAFF AND US IS THE QUESTIONS COME FROM GETTING MORE CLARITY OF WHAT IS EXISTING SLASH ALSO ORIGINAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , I MEAN, WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANNA PRESERVE? MM-HMM. AND EXACTLY THAT. IT'S LIKE WHAT IS IT THAT WE REALLY WANNA PRESERVE? WHAT IS IT THAT'S NOT NEEDED TO PRESERVE AND THEN [01:00:01] UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU WANNA ADD ONTO IT. YEAH. UM, SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU DECIDE HOW YOU WANNA CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, WHETHER SITE VISIT OR MORE INFORMATION, BUT I THINK WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS, IT GIVES US MORE INFORMATION. MM-HMM. , YEAH. I JUST NEED, ON MY PRESENTATION, I NEED TO DOCUMENT A LITTLE BIT BETTER WHAT'S EXISTING AND PROBABLY EVEN FROM THE INSIDE SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AND IT'S MORE CLEAR WHAT'S ORIGINAL AND WHAT WAS CLEARLY ADDED AT, AT ONE PARTICULAR POINT. WELL, AND YES, I LOST LIKE TO ADD, I WAS ON THE, THE VIRTUAL DRC AND WE, UH, SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, EXISTING FRONT ELEVATION AND THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION. AND UH, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT? UH, THAT LOOKING AT THE EXISTING FRONT ELEVATION WITH THE, THE HIP, WITH THE DORMER, UH, AND THE SHED ROOF OVER THE ORIGINAL PORCH, I THINK ARE IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES TO THE FRONT OF THIS HOUSE. MM-HMM. . AND, UH, I THINK THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION IS IGNORING THOSE EXISTING ELEMENTS. SO, UM, AS STATED BY STAFF AND IN THE DRC, UH, I'D ASK FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN AND, UH, RECONSIDER YOUR, UM, ELEVATIONS. SURE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO, TO ADD THIS IS COMMENT IT TO THE APPLICANT. IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST IMPORTANT, UM, TRUTH IN THE ILLUSTRATIONS IS THE ROOF PHOTOGRAPH. MM-HMM. , UH, 'CAUSE LOOKING AT YOUR ELEVATIONS, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DISCOVER IT. MM-HMM. , IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS AN INTERPRETATION, I, I CAN APPRECIATE IT. UH, BUT LOOKING AT THE TWO ROOFS THAT THE, THOSE ARE THE DRAWINGS THAT SHOW THE DEVIATION FROM, UH, WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE OF A, OF A FACT, RIGHT? SO LOOKING AT, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IF STAFF WANTS TO PULL UP OR CAN PULL UP THAT AERIAL AND, AND WE ZOOM IN ON THAT AERIAL, THAT THERE'S A PRETTY CLEAR STORY TOLD BY THAT, BY THAT ROOF PLAN. AND THEN WITHIN THERE THE LIMITS OF WHAT, WHAT GO BEYOND THAT ARE QUESTION OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . BUT THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST, THAT'S PROBABLY THE HARDEST FACT TO GO AGAINST. YEAH. RIGHT. SO, UH, GOOD LUCK . THANK YOU MR. SAVINO. UH, YES, UH, COMMISSIONER GRU, YOUR MOTION WAS TO FOR A CONTINUANCE. DID THAT ALSO INCLUDE A DRC SITE VISIT OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN AS AN AMENDMENT? I THINK I LEFT IT UP TO THE APPLICANT TO DECIDE WHAT HE WOULD DO. UH, BUT I DID SUGGEST IT WHETHER IT WOULD BE A SITE VISIT OR SOMETHING THAT SHOWS US, SO OKAY. WE CAN LEAVE IT OUT OF THE MOTION, BUT I WOULD UM, ALSO AGREE THAT A SITE VISIT, UM, TO LOOK AT THE INSIDE AND LOOK AT THE REMAINING OR THE EXTENT, EXTENT FEATURES WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. SURE. THANK YOU. AND FOR ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SINO AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. MASUKA AYE. GUEVARA AYE GROUP. AYE ES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARIES. THANK YOU SIR. THANKS. UH, WERE WE ABLE TO GET THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM EIGHT? WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE, UH, MR. CHAIR IN THE EFFORT OF, OF TRYING TO COMMUNICATE, UH, VIRTUALLY, I'M WONDERING IF WE MIGHT HEAR FROM STAFF IN TERMS OF WHAT IS BEING OBJECTED TO, UH, WITH THE WINDOW OR AT LEAST I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S AN OBJECTION TO THE WINDOW. I WAS LOOKING AT THE SPEC, IT SAYS IT'S A PINE WINDOW. THERE'S NOT, UM, THE APPLICANT AGREES TO ALL OF STAFF'S STIPULATIONS, BUT DANIEL, ARE YOU ABLE TO UNMUTE AND JOIN US? WW WOULD IT BE FAIR TO ASK STAFF IF THE APPLICANT AGREES TO ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS? HE'S ALREADY AGREED TO ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS, SO, SO IF A MOTION WAS MADE THAT, THAT WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS THERE AND I WOULD SECOND IT. YEAH. OR THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND QUESTION FOR STAFF AND LEGAL, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE OR DO WE NEED SOMETHING EITHER IN WRITING OR VERBAL FROM THE APPLICANT? WE DO HAVE IT IN ALREADY DO. YEAH, WE HAVE IT IN WRITING AND THEN I'M CHATTING WITH HIM NOW. HE SAYS HE WAS ONLY CALLING IN TO AGREE TO STAFF STIPULATIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE HAVE A MOTION [01:05:01] A SECOND WITH STAFF'S APPROVAL. WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL. ANY COMMENTS? NO SIR. YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ONE MOMENT BEFORE YOU TAKE THE THE VOTE? YES SIR. I JUST NEED TO CHECK SOME STUFF WITH STAFF IF YOU DON'T MIND. SURE. CAN I ALSO ADD THAT HE'S ALREADY SUBMITTED, UM, UPDATED DRAWINGS THAT, THAT MEAN STIPULATIONS AS WELL? YEAH, WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE WE CAN DOCUMENT THIS AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN, SHOULD THAT BE PART OF THE MOTION THAT ONCE IT'S DOCUMENTED THEN IT'S APPROVED? NO, I THINK YOU'RE GOOD. I JUST AM RECOMMENDING THAT STAFF, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT STAFF ACTUALLY HAS SOME CONVERSATION IN THE CHAT FEATURE AND THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ADDED AS PART OF THE RECORD THAT THE APPLICANT HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD THE ACTION THAT WAS BEING TAKEN TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? IT'S ME, CASTILLO. AYE, SINA? AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. MS. SUKA? AYE. GUEVARA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU DANIEL FOR YOUR PATIENCE. YES, UH, THANK YOU DANIEL. UM, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. GO BEAT THAT WEATHER. IT'S COMING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.