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ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
WE'RE GONNA CALL THE MARCH 1ST, UH, 2024 PC T MEETING TO ORDER.
WOULD STAFF PLEASE DO THE ROLL CALL? MR. LOPEZ.
MS. MILAM? MR. ZUKI? MR. SIPES? HERE.
MR. MOORE? MS. TACKETT? MR. NLA? HERE.
MR. TAYLOR? MR. BROWN? MR. HANLEY? HERE.
MR. FULLERTON? PRESENT? MR. MR. DOMINGUEZ? MR. LAZARIN? MS. DAKO? MR. ESTRADA? PRESENT? MR. MANNA? MR. CHERYL? PRESENT.
MS. DALE? MR. RAMIREZ? MR. VASQUEZ? MS. MALDONADO? HERE.
DO WE HAVE QUORUM? THE QUORUM IS PRESENT.
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UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, THE ITEM THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR TODAY? OKAY.
EMILY'S GONNA ANNOUNCE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
WE HAVE DAVID KRAMER, WANDA KRAMER, DENISE LITTLE AND JOSE CHRISTON.
AND THEY CAN SPEAK WHEN THE ITEM IS HEARD, CORRECT? YES.
UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE THE TAC HAS MET AND THERE'S SOME NEW FACES HERE.
SO, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST KINDA GO AROUND THE ROOM AND HAVE THE TAC MEMBERS INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY DO.
I'M ONE OF THE ENVIRONMENT REPS.
UH, I DO, UH, WATER POLICY, WATER, HERITAGE, UH, RESEARCH.
RYAN GANS WITH UP ENGINEERING.
I'M A CIVIL ENGINEERING, UH, REP FOR THE BOARD.
I AM MATTHEW MATNEY WITH KIMBERLY HORN.
UM, ALSO CIVIL ENGINEER, KIM BRAGMAN, UH, REALTOR PHYLLIS BRANDING COMPANY.
I SIT ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
I'M THE ONE OF THE COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES, AND, UH, I WORK IN CYBERSECURITY.
HI, UH, LUKE ROBINSON WITH, UH, RVK ARCHITECT.
JODY SHERA, NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE, UH, ROBERT HANLEY, ARCHITECT, UH, EMPLOYED ARMANDO NEELA, COLLIERS ENGINEERING CIVIL ENGINEER.
I'M A NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE, ROB HYS.
I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH, UH, MARMON MACH, AND I REPRESENT THE ZONING COMMISSION.
COLLEEN WAPAC, REPRESENTING PARKS AND RECREATION.
I'M ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, GEORGE PECK, CIVIL ENGINEER AT KCI TECHNOLOGIES, AND, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE TO THE TECH.
UM, DO WE WANNA DO A STAFF INTRODUCTION WHILE WE'RE AT UP THERE? LET'S START.
I'M MONIQUE, UH, CORMAN POLICY ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE POLICY ADMINISTRATION TEAM.
I'M THE DSD ENGINEER OVER TRAFFIC AND STREET REVIEWS.
Y'ALL MAY REMEMBER ME IN PLAN REVIEW.
I'VE NOW MOVED AGAIN BACK TO TRAFFIC
CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT, BY THE WAY.
MATTHEW MORTON WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I WORK IN LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M THE PLANNING COMMISSION ATTORNEY.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE GOT EVERYBODY.
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BUSINESS IS NOMINATIONS[00:05:01]
FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE.TAKE THAT WE'LL START WITH CHAIR NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR.
I NOMINATE GEORGE PECK FOR THE, TO CONTINUE ON AS THE CHAIR OF THIS PCT COMMITTEE.
YOU'RE IN A GOOD JOB OVER THERE.
I FORGET MY DEODORANT THIS MORNING OR WHAT?
UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONTINUED FAITH IN ME TO CHAIR THIS BODY.
UH, NEXT UP IS NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.
I'LL START, UH, I'LL NOMINATE ROBERT HANLEY.
WELL, HE CAME UP WITH THE NAME OF THE BODY, I THINK BACK IN THE DAY.
IS THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? OKAY, WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ROBERT HANLEY FOR VICE CHAIR, SAY AYE.
SO, UH, UM, I'M GONNA SKIP DOWN TO APPROVAL
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OF THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 8TH, 2022 MEETING.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, EDITS TO THOSE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, WE WILL TAKE A MOTION.
UH, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE, UH, PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES IF THERE'S NO CHANGES OR, UH, MODIFICATIONS BY ANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. HANLEY WAS THE SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 8TH, 2022 MEETING? SAY AYE.
SO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE ONLY OTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR BECK ROAD.
I DO HAVE TO RECUSE FROM THIS ITEM AS, UH, KCI IS A PROJECT ENGINEER FOR THAT PROJECT.
SO I'M GOING TO TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR NEWLY MINTED VICE CHAIR.
STAFF, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION TO MAKE ON THIS ITEM? YES, WE DO.
YOU CAN USE THE, IS THERE A CLICKER? YEAH, SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE KEYBOARD, LIKE THE DOWN ARROW.
WHERE'S THE DOWN ARROW? OH, IT'S NOT CONNECTED.
SORRY ABOUT THE SLIGHT TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
I GUESS IT'S A FRIDAY MORNING, SO WE'RE KIND OF MOVING A LITTLE SLOW.
UM, SO WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR BECK ROAD IN THE SOUTHEASTERN, EXCUSE ME.
UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELVES FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW YOU.
UH, I'M ISAAC LEVY, THE SENIOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER AT THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR BECK ROAD, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF OUR SAN CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION, OR ETJ.
UH, BECK ROAD IS A SECONDARY ARTERIAL TYPE A REQUIRING 86 FEET RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THE NEW THE NEAREST EXISTING MAJOR ROADS IS EXISTING BURCHARD ROAD, WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH GARDNER ROAD, OF WHICH IS 0.4 MILES TO THE WEST, UH, AS WELL AS NEW, UH, NEW SULFUR SPRINGS ROAD, WHICH IS 0.9 MILES, UH, TO THE NORTH AND FOSTER ROAD, WHICH IS 1.83 MILES TO THE WEST.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PDU GRID, LLC.
UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE, WHICH IS HERE TO WHO'S HERE TODAY, IS JAMES MCKNIGHT.
UH, THE REQUEST IS TO REALIGN A PROPOSED SEGMENT OF BECK ROAD AS, UH, WHICH IS AGAIN, A SECONDARY ARTERIAL TYPE A REQUIRING 86 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY.
THE REQUEST LIMITS ARE FROM APPROXIMATELY 0.9 MILES SOUTH OF NEW SULFUR SPRINGS ROAD, UH, TO EXISTING, UH, TO EXISTING BURCHARD ROAD AS EXISTING ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UH, EXISTING LAND USES AROUND THIS AREA IS RANCH LAND AND LO, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
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UH, HERE WE HAVE AREA, HERE WE HAVE AN AERIAL VIEW, UH, OF THE SURROUNDING AREA REGARDING, UH, BECK ROAD AND MAJOR THIRD FAIR PLAN AMENDMENT.UM, AND THEN OVER TO OUR RIGHT, WE HAVE THE GROUND VIEW OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
WE ALSO HAVE GROUND VIEW OF ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE GROUND VIEW OF EXISTING BURCHARD ROAD INTERSECTION WITH GARDNER ROAD.
LOOKING TOWARDS WHAT WOULD BE FU THE INTERSECTION OF WHAT WOULD BE FUTURE, UH, BECK ROAD AND FUTURE GARDNER ROAD.
UH, TO KIND OF GO OVER THE PLAT HISTORY, THE PLAT APPLICATION, UH, THE PLAID PROCESS BEGAN IN APRIL OF 2023.
UM, THE MINOR PLAT IS NAMED PAUA, BESS, UH, WHICH WILL, JAMES MCKNIGHT WILL GO OVER WHAT BESS STANDS FOR.
UH, PLAT NUMBER 23 DASH 8 1 8 4.
UM, MAJOR THIRD FOR AMENDMENT PROCESS WAS INITIATED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, DUE TO CURRENT BECK ROAD ALIGNMENT, WHICH WAS REALIGNED BACK IN 2021, UH, BISECTING THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
AND NOW WE WILL HAND IT OVER TO THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT, UH, JAMES MCNIGHT IVY.
I, ONE QUESTION, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
THE, THE PACKAGE THAT WAS GIVEN TO US HAS A DIFFERENT ALIGNMENT THAN THE EXHIBIT.
WE CAN, UH, STRAIGHT THAT OUT AND GIVE YOU ANOTHER, UH, PACKAGE IF YOU'D LIKE.
JAMES MCKNIGHT WITH ORTIZ MCKNIGHT HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, OLIAN ENERGY.
AND, UM, MR. HANLEY, THE, THE APPLICATION PACKET MAY HAVE BEEN FROM OUR, WE SUBMITTED THIS A WHILE AGO, AND WE HAVE HAD SOME, SOME UPDATES ALONG THE WAY, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE GREAT BETWEEN WHAT WE SUBMITTED AND WHAT ENDED UP BEING HERE.
MR. KNIGHT, I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, AND JODY JUST SH SHOWED ME THAT THIS IS A PREVIOUS MAJOR THOROUGHFARE REALIGNMENT.
OH, THAT'S WHAT, YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE PACKAGE, IT'S NOT, WHAT'S THE ISSUE BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TODAY? GOT YOU.
IS MY KEYBOARD WORKING? NO, FOR, OH, YOU CAN DO, OKAY, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO, I WANNA START WITH THE WHO E AND ENERGY.
THEY ARE A SUCCESSFUL, UM, INVESTOR IN ENERGY PRODUCTS IN THE UNITED STATES.
AND THEY OWN AND OPERATE A LARGE PORTFOLIO, INCLUDING MANY IN TEXAS.
AND THE, THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH ERCOT TO HELP MEET THE DEMANDS OF WHEN THERE ARE HIGHER DEMANDS IN THE AREA.
AND THE, WHAT IS THE, THIS FLEX POWER BUNDLE THAT CPS PUT AN RFP OUT FOR IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND THAT WAS FOR CPS TO ADDRESS SOME AGING INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES AND, UM, TO DIVERSIFY THEIR GENERATION MIX.
BUT OVERALL, THE IDEA WAS WE NEEDED, THEY ASKED FOR A 50 MEGAWATT, UM, BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY AND THAT, SO ALIEN PARTICIPATED IN THAT RFP AND ACTUALLY WON THAT WITH AND IS WORKING WITH CPS NOW.
SO THAT'S THE, THE WHO AND THE WHAT NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO THE, WHERE WE ALREADY SAW THE SITE AND THE LOCATION, I JUST WANTED TO, TO LOCATE IT IN A LARGER CONTEXT NEXT TO, UH, NORTH OF CALS LAKE.
IT'S 37.34 ACRES THAT ARE BEING PLATTED.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT, THAT ARE ON THE SITE.
THERE IS FLOODPLAIN AREA TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, AND THERE'S ALSO A 235 FOOT OVERHEAD EASEMENT THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH THE SITE.
AND AS ISAAC POINTED OUT, THERE IS THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE EXTENSION OF BECK ROAD THAT COMES DIRECTLY THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.
THERE'S AN EXTENSION OF BURCHARD ROAD TO THE SOUTH AS WELL.
SO HERE IS THE PLAT AND, UM, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PROGRESS IS.
YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF THAT PROJECT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OVERALL 37 ACRES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PLATTING.
AND THERE IS THE LOCATION, THE CURRENT LOCATION OF BECK ROAD.
SO IT'S, I IT'S CUTTING OFF THE VERY EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHERE CPS HAD ACTUALLY CHOSEN TO CONNECT, UH, OUR, THE BATTERY STORAGE TO THEIR, UM, GRID.
SO THERE YOU CAN SEE NOW WHERE THE ALIGNMENT WOULD BE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE, UH, TERMINUS OF BECK ROAD DOWN TO BURCHARD TO MOVE OVER TO THE EAST SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE WITH OUR PROJECT AS IT'S LOCATED NOW, AND, AND GIVE CPS THE LOCATION AS THEY'VE REQUESTED.
ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT, UM, I MEANT TO SAY ON THE LAST SLIDE IS THAT WE ARE NOT BUILDING THAT ROAD.
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PART OF OUR PLAT.UM, CURRENTLY THE FUTURE BASHAR ROAD AND FUTURE BECK ROAD ARE BOTH, UM, THEY WERE REQUESTED FOR DEDICATION, BUT THROUGH ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY, WE'VE REQUESTED THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO BE DEDICATED BECAUSE OF THE, THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE, THE SMALL IMPACT THAT THIS PROJECT MAKES.
SO THEY ACTUALLY AREN'T, UM, AT LEAST HOW WE'VE REQUESTED AND ARE NOT ACTUALLY EVEN GONNA BE ON THE PLA.
BUT EVEN IF IT WERE, WE ARE NOT BUILDING THIS ROAD, FUTURE BURCHARD OR FUTURE BECK ROAD, THIS IS A BETTER BATTERY STORAGE ONLY.
IT'S AN UNMANNED FACILITY THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE, UH, A TON OF TRAFFIC EXCEPT FOR MAINTENANCE.
SO IT WOULD NOT REACH A LEVEL WHERE WE'D NEED TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THAT ROAD.
SO THIS IS A, A MAP SHOWING AN OVERLAY OF THE PROJECT WITH THE, UH, ACTUAL AERIAL OF WHERE THAT ROAD WOULD BE LOCATED.
AND AS MR. HANLEY POINTED OUT, THERE WAS A PREV, AND ISAAC AS WELL POINTED OUT, THERE WAS A PREVIOUS, UH, MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND THIS ONE, THIS WAS IN 2021, BUT IT WAS A, A MUCH LARGER CHANGE FROM WHAT WE'RE ASKING TODAY.
YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE LINE, AS IT WAS BEFORE, CONNECTED NEW SULFUR SPRINGS ROAD DOWN TO FUTURE BURCHARD ROAD, AND THAT MADE A HUGE SHIFT.
AND THAT WAS FOR THE DEVELOPER THAT WAS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, IMPORTANTLY, THIS WAS APPROVED THREE YEARS AGO, PARTLY BECAUSE OF THAT SHIFT TO THE EAST, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING AT THE TIME, UH, TERMINATED THE ROAD IN A FIVE POINT AREA WHERE GARDNER ROAD CAME IN.
SO IT WAS NOT, UH, NOT THE IDEAL LOCATION FOR THAT ROAD.
SO IT WAS SUPPORTED TO MOVE IT OVER.
BUT THIS ALSO AFFECTED NINE PROPERTY OWNERS AT THE TIME.
BUT IN THIS MAP, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT ROAD, THAT VERY TERMINUS.
SO THERE IS A HUGE SWATH OF ROAD THAT WAS MOVED THREE YEARS AGO.
WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT ROAD, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WILL ALLOW US TO DEVELOP OUR, OUR SITE.
SO I THINK THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE FOR ME.
THIS IS REALLY OUR JUSTIFICATION.
SO THE FIRST THING I'D SAY IS THAT MOVING THE ROAD OVER TO THE EAST MAINTAINS THE INTENT OF BECK ROAD, RIGHT? THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS TO HAVE THESE CONNECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROADS CAN MOVE SMOOTHLY.
SO FUTURE BURCHARD ROAD AND NEW SULFUR SPRINGS STILL MAINTAIN THAT CONNECTION.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS MOVING IT FURTHER TO THE EAST.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH PUSHING THAT TERMINUS FURTHER EAST AWAY FROM THAT, THAT INTERSECTION.
WHEN WE MET WITH STAFF ALONG THE WAY, THEY AGREED THAT ACTUALLY IT IS A BETTER THING FOR SAFETY REASONS TO HAVE THAT.
WHERE GARDNER INTERSECTS BURCHARD TO HAVE THE TERMINUS OF BECK ROAD TO BE EVEN FURTHER AWAY THAN IT IS NOW.
IT INCREASES, OBVIOUSLY, THE DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY ON OUR SIDE, BUT IT ALSO INCREASES THE DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY.
FOR THOSE ABOVE US, IT IS A MINIMAL IMPACT TO PROPERTY OWNERS.
AS YOU SAW BEFORE, THERE WAS NINE OR MORE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE AFFECTED IN THAT HUGE CHANGE IN 2021.
AND THIS CHANGE AFFECTS ESSENTIALLY ONE OWNER.
IT DOES TOUCH THE OWNER JUST NORTH OF MR. KRAMER'S PROPERTY.
AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.
BUT, UH, THE LARGER CHANGE, UH, AFFECTS MOSTLY OUR PROPERTY AND MR. KRAMER'S PROPERTY.
SO, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD ALONG THE WAY, AND JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW HOW WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS.
THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO WE HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH SARAH, THE, THE RIVER AUTHORITY ALONG THE WAY TO ENSURE THAT THAT ROADWAY LOCATION, UH, DOESN'T IMPACT THE, THE FLOODPLAIN AREA IN ANY WAY.
SO THE MAPS HAVE BEEN UPDATED, THEY WERE UPDATED IN JULY OF JUST THIS LAST YEAR, AND THOSE ARE REFLECTED ON THE PLAT.
AND THE LOCATION OF THE ROAD WAS REFLECTED TO SHOW THAT IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THAT.
SO, UH, ALL OF THE, THE CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE OVERLAPPING A POSSIBLE NEW MAPPING AREA, UH, UM, WE'VE, WE HAVE WORKED THOSE OUT WITH THE RIVER AUTHORITY.
WE ALSO WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THE PROFILE OF THE ROAD AND ACTUALLY CREATED THIS.
SO YOU COULD SEE HOW THE TERMINUS OF BECK ROAD, WHERE IT WOULD HIT THE FUTURE, BOUCHARD WOULD STILL BE ABOVE WHERE THAT FLOODPLAIN AREA WAS.
SO ON THE, THE BOTTOM PART OF THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS AT LEAST A, A SIX FOOT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OUTWARD BOUNDARY OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE CENTER LINE OF WHAT, WHERE BACK ROAD WOULD BE, WHERE WE'VE ALIGNED IT.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, TO THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE, UH, JUST A ZOOMED IN SECTION OF OUR PLAT SHOWING THAT NOT ONLY HAS THE MAP BEEN UPDATED FOR THE JULY, 2023, BUT KCI, THE ENGINEERS ON THE PROJECT HAVE, UH, DONE THEIR OWN FLOOD STUDY AND SHOWN A LARGER AREA.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT EVEN LARGER AREA THAN THE, THE, THE FEMA MAPS.
THERE'S ALWAYS AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHEN
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YOU'RE DOING A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, IS HOW IT AFFECTS THOSE AROUND YOU.SO, THE NEIGHBOR OUTREACH, THERE WAS, UH, AN OWNER, MR. POGUE THAT WAS NORTH OF OUR PROPERTY, AND, AND MR. KRAMER ABOVE THAT, AND MR. CTOS ABOVE THAT.
SO THERE WAS OUTREACH TO BOTH, UH, MR. POGUE AND MR. KRAMER.
AND ALONG THE WAY, UH, MR. POGUE SOLD THE PROPERTY TO US.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IN YELLOW, THAT PROPERTY IS NOW BELONGS TO EOLIAN ENERGY.
MR. KRAMER, UM, WAS CONTACTED BY OUR TEAM AND THEY HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS BY EMAIL, UH, BY TEXT.
THERE WAS AN OFFER AT SOME POINT TO, TO PURCHASE THE LAND THAT WAS ENTERTAINED, BUT ULTIMATELY WAS UNSUCCESSFUL.
SO THERE WAS A, A REQUEST TO TRY TO PURCHASE THAT BECAUSE OF THE EFFECT THAT MIGHT HAVE.
BUT AGAIN, I WANNA POINT OUT, YOU CAN SEE ON MR. KRAMER'S PROPERTY THAT THE LINE OF WHERE THE CURRENT ROAD IS TO WHERE WE'RE PUSHING IT, IS REALLY JUST A SHIFT TO THE EAST AND STILL ALLOWS, UH, EVEN GREATER AREA OF USEFUL PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
TO THE EAST SIDE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE OVERHEAD EASEMENT AND THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND HAVING THE ROAD WHERE IT WAS, WAS ACTUALLY PINCHING OFF THE USABLE AREA BETWEEN WHERE THE ROAD IT CURRENTLY IS AND WHERE THAT OVERHEAD EASEMENT IS.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, THAT MAP, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CURRENT BACK ROAD TERMINATES ON OUR PROPERTY AND THE OVERHEAD EASEMENT, IT DOESN'T LEAVE ANY USABLE PROPERTY THERE.
SO THAT WAS HAPPENING ALL ALONG THAT EDGE.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS PUSH THIS ROAD TO THE EAST, NOT JUST TO GET MORE DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY FOR US, BUT IN ORDER FOR, FOR ALL THOSE FOLKS ALONG THERE, WE WERE ACTUALLY ASKED AT ONE POINT IF YOU COULD DO IT FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE, THE PROPERTY TO PUSH EVERYTHING OVER.
BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST A LARGER SCOPE THAN WHAT WE, WE NEEDED TO DO FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO, SOME CLARIFICATIONS I WANNA MAKE ABOUT COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED ALONG THE WAY.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
I HEARD ABOUT THINGS BEING CUT OFF, WHETHER OR NOT THESE OWNERS WOULD BE CUT OFF FROM THE EASTERN SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO PLANS ON OUR SIDE TO BUILD THE ROAD.
THOSE OWNERS ALONG THE WAY TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, DON'T PLAN ON BUILDING THE ROAD AND DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
SO AT THIS POINT, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
BUT WHAT I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT THAT ALREADY EXISTED.
IT EXISTED IN 2015 WHEN THE PLAN WAS FIRST CREATED.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE MAP WITH THE BLUE LINE.
IT EXISTED IN 2021 WHEN IT GOT SHIFTED OVER.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS SHIFTING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, BUT THE IDEA OF CUTTING OFF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE BEGINNING.
A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AS YOU KNOW, DRAWS THESE BROAD LINES AND, AND CUTS PEOPLE'S PROPERTY SOMETIME.
AND SO THIS HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR MANY YEARS NOW.
IT IS NOT, IS NOT OUR DOING TO CUT THIS OFF.
IT IS THAT ROAD HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED, UH, BY THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UM, SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS INVOLVED THERE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE AFFECTED BY, BY OUR REQUEST.
EVERYTHING, IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THIS SLIDE, BUT I TRIED TO CIRCLE ALL OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THAT GREEN LINE ARE NOT AFFECTED.
WE ARE ONLY AFFECTING OUR PROPERTY.
AND ESSENTIALLY MR. KRAMER'S PROPERTY, NORTH OF US, NOT ALL OF THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES.
SO I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH, UH, UH, MS. SCHWARTZKOFF ABOUT IT, AND I LET HER KNOW SHE WAS NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE ROAD, BUT I SAID I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE ROAD.
I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR REQUEST, AND IT IS NOT CHANGING ON YOUR PROPERTY.
SO THAT LINE HAS NOT MOVED ON THOSE PROPERTIES.
THERE WAS ALSO AN EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE THAT FROM OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA TO GO EVEN FURTHER EAST.
BUT THAT PUTS THE ROAD SQUARELY THAT PROPOSED, UH, ROAD THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD SUPPORT, UH, AS AN EMAIL WE RECEIVED WOULD GO RIGHT THROUGH THE FLOOD PLAIN.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO START BUILDING BRIDGES TO GO OVER THESE AREAS.
SO WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE MOST MINIMAL IMPACT.
SO IN CONCLUSION, UH, THIS MAINTAINS THAT INTENDED CONNECTION FROM NEW SULFUR SPRINGS DOWN TO BURCHARD.
IT INCREASES OUR DEVELOPABLE AREA.
IT'S A MINIMAL IMPACT, ESPECIALLY WE CONSIDER THE KIND OF CHANGE THAT WAS TOOK PLACE IN 2021, BUT ALSO PROVIDES A GLOBAL BENEFIT TO THE CITY WITH WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO WITH THE SITE.
AND, UH, I FAILED TO MENTION AT THE BEGINNING, BUT I DO HAVE, UH, FOLKS FROM OUR TEAM HERE.
WE HAVE ENGINEERS FROM KCI, WE HAVE MELISSA MILLER WITH AILENE ENERGY, AND JENNIFER MEYER WITH HDR, WHO IS THE PROJECT MANAGER ON HERE.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE PROJECT, UM, FOR THE BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT OR FOR THE, THE THE PLAT, UM, I HAVE MY TEAM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, QUESTIONS WILL COME UP AFTER THE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD PRESENTED.
UH, MONIQUE, UH, WHO'S GONNA CALL OUT THE NAMES AND JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT YOU'RE THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT
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ARE GONNA SPEAK.WE'RE YOU'RE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
FIRST, I THINK DIRECTOR HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
WE HAVE JUST A FEW MORE SLIDES TO KIND OF CLOSE OUT THE PROCESS BEFORE YOU WANNA CALL 'EM UP.
CAN YOU GO TO FULL POWERPOINT PRESENTATION IN THE NEXT SLIDES, PLEASE? UM, A LITTLE BIT PAST APPLICANT OR ONE AFTER APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
SO SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT WE'VE, UH, CONSIDERED REGARDING THIS AMENDMENT, UH, REGARDING THIS MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AMENDMENT IS THAT, UH, THIS IS LOCATED AGAIN IN THE A TJ, UH, THE PROPOSED BACK ROAD EMPTY, UH, ALIGNMENT OR REALIGNMENT, RATHER, IS ADJACENT, IS ADJACENT WITH THE FEMA DE UH, FEMA DE DESIGN DESIGNATED FLOODPLAIN A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, AND DOES NOT CROSS THROUGH THE FLOOD PLAIN.
UH, BEAR COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE ANY PLANS TO, TO EXTEND BECK ROAD FROM ITS CURRENT SOUTHERN TERMINUS AT NEW SULFUR SPRINGS ROAD DOWN TO BURCHARD ROAD, UH, TEXAS THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY PLANS TO CONNECT BECK ROAD AS WELL.
AND THEN THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY, AS MENTIONED BEFORE BY MR. MCKNIGHT, UM, AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND OTHER TECHNICAL, AH, SORRY.
ANY, ANY OTHER TECHNICAL AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS, UM, REA UH, REALIGNMENT.
AND SO OUR TIMELINE, UM, WE HAD OUR, OUR ONLY PUBLIC MEETING, UH, BACK ON FEBRUARY 26TH, 2024, WHICH WAS THIS PAST MONDAY.
UM, WE ALSO HAD, I MEAN, WE'RE ALSO HAVING OUR, RIGHT NOW, OUR, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UH, WE PLAN ON GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON MARCH 27TH, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 4TH.
UH, DURING OUR PUBLIC MEETING, INFORMA, UH, DURING OUR PUBLIC MEETING, UH, WE HAD NO, WE HAD MAILED OUT, UH, SEVEN NOTICES.
UH, THREE OF THEM HAPPENED TO GO TO THE APPLICANT, UH, DUE TO THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE NEARBY.
UH, WE HAD TWO RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE.
UH, AND THE MAIN CONCERNS WERE VOICED BY MR. DAVID CRAMER, UM, REGARDING ROAD PLACEMENT BISECTING, HIS CATTLE RANCHING OPERATIONS.
UM, HE DID MENTION THAT HE'D BE WILLING TO SELL, UH, THE PROPERTY, UH, PENDING NEGOTIATIONS WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND ALSO PROVIDED US WITH A SUGGESTED ALTERNATIVE ROUTE AS, UH, MR. MCKNIGHT ALLUDED TO BEFORE.
AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, PENDING THE DECISION BY BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WELL AS PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
AND, UH, WE'RE OPENING IT UP TO PUBLIC, UM, PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS.
UH, ISAAC, UM, JUST A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
IT SAYS THAT IT DOESN'T ENTER THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
I WOULD SAY IT DOESN'T ENTER THE HUNDRED YEAR ULTIMATE FLOODPLAIN.
AND SO THAT'S, FOR THOSE OF Y'ALL WHO DON'T KNOW, THAT'S THE FULLY DEVELOPED FLOODPLAIN.
WHEN THAT ENTIRE AREA IS DEVELOPED, THAT FLOODPLAIN WILL GET BIGGER.
IT DOES NOT ENCROACH ON THAT EITHER.
UM, MR. VICE CHAIR, DID YOU MENTION THE PUBLIC COMMENT? UM, IS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.
WHO'S GONNA KEEP TIME? YOU? YES.
UM, EMILY, CAN YOU PLEASE LIST THE FIRST INDIVIDUAL ON THE LIST TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK? DAVID KRAMER, HOW YOU DOING? I'M DAVID KRAMER.
I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE WHOLE GROUP.
WE'RE, WE'RE THE, CAN YOU, MR. KRAMER, GET CLOSER TO THE MIC, PLEASE? YEAH.
CAN, CAN YOU HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING? OKAY.
SO THE WHOLE GROUP OF LANDOWNERS IS WITH ME HERE, THIS JOSEIS AND, AND DENISE OVER THERE.
AND, UH, WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS ROAD THE MOST.
ALSO HAVE A HAND CARRIED LETTER WRITTEN FROM MS. SCHWARTZKOFF.
UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO DISPUTE THE LAST REALIGNMENT, AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, WE, WE COULDN'T AFFECT THAT.
EVERYBODY WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT IT.
WE'RE STILL UNHAPPY WITH IT, BUT WE'VE ADJUSTED AND FIGURED OUT WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FUNCTION ANYWAY,
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AS FAR AS THE ROAD NOT BEING BUILT, I'M HOLDING IN MY HAND AND I WILL PASS IT AROUND IF YOU LIKE.IT'S A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM
AND, UH, SO WE HAVE A, A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROJECT.
ONE, THIS ROAD IS FROM A, STRICTLY, FROM A CIVIL ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, IT, IT PROBABLY IS THE MOST PRACTICAL THING.
WE HAVE A, A SMALL RANCH OPERATION.
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US DOES.
DENISE IS, UH, IS ACTUALLY, UH, THEY'RE IN PROBATE RIGHT NOW.
UH, THAT WAS MY WIFE'S SISTER THAT DIED.
THIS LAND WAS IN OUR, MY WIFE'S FAMILY FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
AND, UH, WE PLAN TO RETIRE THERE.
WE'RE BUILDING OUR RETIREMENT BARN
WE'RE ALMOST COMPLETED WITH IT.
WE DON'T WANT TO SELL THE LAND.
ONE IS THIS ROAD IS GONNA DISRUPT OUR CATTLE OPERATION TO THE EXTENT THIS CHANGE THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE.
SEE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A WINTER AND THE SUMMER OPERATION AND WE CAN MOVE 'EM ACROSS THE ROAD.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS THEY'RE GONNA ISOLATE THIS SEVEN ACRES BACK IN THE BACK THAT'S GONNA PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES ON LAND THAT'S NO LONGER AG EXEMPT.
I'VE TRIED MAKING DIFFERENT OFFERS TO THEM OF A WIN-WIN DEAL.
I'VE TRIED TO COOPERATE, BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYWHERE.
EVERY OFFER THEY MADE, THEY PULL RIGHT BACK OFF THE TABLE.
AS FAR AS THE, THE OFFER TO PURCHASE THE LAND.
I DON'T REGARD THAT AS LEGITIMATE.
IT'S LOOKED TO ME AND TO MY WIFE AS IF IT WAS AN OFFER TO POSTPONE OR, OR GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO PURCHASE THE LAND IN FIVE MONTHS, PROVIDED WE COOPERATE IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN.
SO, UM, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT WAS LEGITIMATE.
I THINK THAT WE'RE, I SEE AS THE VICTIMS. THE SECOND ISSUE WE HAVE IS THE FACT THAT THESE BATTERIES, WHILE THEY'RE DECLARED SAFE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EPRI WEBSITE, YOU'LL FIND OUT THERE WAS SEVEN CATASTROPHIC EVENTS IN THE UNITED STATES.
THEY GIVE OFF HARMFUL GASES WHEN THEY GO INTO THIS THERMAL RUNAWAY.
AT THIS DATE, THERE IS NO LITHIUM ION BATTERY ON THE MARKET THAT IS NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO GOING INTO THERMAL RUNAWAY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS DANGEROUS SITUATION.
THESE ARE THE REASONS WE CONSIDERED SELLING OUR DREAM, MY WIFE'S LEGACY.
BUT SO FAR WE, SO THAT IS THREE MINUTES.
CAN I SPEAK FOR THE REST OF THE GROUP? BECAUSE THEY, THEY ASKED ME TO.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON THERE SIGNED UP? HE'LL GET THREE MINUTES PER PERSON STAND UP.
SO I, I DON'T WANNA TAKE A WASTE A BUNCH OF YOUR TIME, BUT I'M TRYING TO, TO GIVE YOU THE PERSPECTIVE.
AND I KNOW THAT STRICTLY FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT OF BUILDING ROADS, THAT'S FINE.
BUT THIS IS AFFECTING FAMILIES AND, AND OUR OPERATIONS AND OUR DREAMS AND OUR HOPES FOR THE FUTURE, OUR GRANDCHILDREN GO BACK THERE AND PLAY.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS, AND I WISHED I HAD A SLIDE PRESENTATION FOR YOU.
YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PUT A ROAD NEXT TO A LOW AREA LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S TIRES THROWN IN THERE, AND WE CAN'T MAINTAIN THAT.
THEY PUT FURNITURE, COUCHES, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THIS ROAD IF YOU PUT IT NEXT TO THAT LOW LYING AREA.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS SELLING THAT LAND THAT THEY'RE CHOPPING OFF WITH.
THE ROAD GOES THROUGH TWO OF THE MOST PRISTINE BUILDING SITES THAT WE HAVE ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHERE THE ROAD'S GONNA GO.
AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THERE.
BUT IF YOU GET ON THE GROUND AND YOU LOOK AT IT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LEFT WITH IS A FRONTAGE TO THAT PROPERTY IS GONNA BE THE CPS POWER LINES.
AND THEN RIGHT BELOW THAT IS THE CREEK, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, ONLY A WET WEATHER CREEK.
AND THEN IT'S GOT A BEAUTIFUL PLATEAU UP ABOVE.
BUT THIS IS GONNA BE CUT OFF FROM US, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SELL THAT.
NOBODY IS GONNA BUY A PIECE OF LAND WHERE THE FRONTAGE IS, THE POWER LINES, AND THEY CAN'T GET ACCESS TO IT.
SO THIS IS GONNA HURT US IN SO MANY WAYS.
WE, WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TROUBLE GETTING RID OF IT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PAY THE TAXES ON IT IF WE LOSE OUR AG EXEMPTION.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE RETIRED PEOPLE, WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING $8,100 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES ON THIS.
SO THIS IS A DEVASTATING BLOW TO US.
IT'S EACH AND EVERY FAMILY ALONG THE WAY, INCLUDING MS. SCHWARTZ CUP, WHO COULD, WHO WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE AS MS. SCHWARTZ CUP WAS, WAS INFORMED THAT IT WOULD BE 30 YEARS BEFORE THIS ROAD BUILDING, WHEN THEY PUT THROUGH THE LAST ALIGNMENT, THEY SAID IT WOULD BE 20 YEARS.
FOLKS, IF YOU COULD SEE THE, THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON AROUND US, I GUARANTEE THAT ROAD'S GONNA BE BUILT IN THREE YEARS.
I CAN, I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE IT.
THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE OF THE SAFETY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN IN GOOD CONSCIENCE PUT ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO 2000, UH, HOMES.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SAFE UNTIL THEY'RE NOT.
AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT, IT'S BAD.
YOU CAN'T PUT THESE FIRES OUT.
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THEIR OWN OXYGEN.THIS, THIS IS REGARDED AS A SAFE MEASURE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS.
AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF, A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS SHOULD GO INTO PLACEMENT OF THESE OPERATIONS AND SAFETY.
AND, AND WE HAVE PEOPLE SHOOTING GUNS ALL AROUND US.
I HAVE A BULLET HOLE IN MY GARAGE DOOR.
ONE OF THOSE BULLETS THAT PENETRATES ONE OF THESE BATTERIES, IT'S GONNA BE ON FIRE.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SAFETY MEASURES, WALLS BUILT AROUND IT.
THERE'S THE, I'M, I'M AGAINST THE WHOLE CONCEPT HAS HOW IT MIGHT AFFECT US AND POSSIBLY COULD.
AND, AND WE'RE GONNA BE ONE IF THE WITH THE PREVAILING WINDS ON A SUMMER DAY, THOSE SMOKE FROM THAT FIRE WILL BE ON OUR HOME IN LESS THAN A MINUTE.
AND OUR NEIGHBORS IN ABOUT TWO.
WE HAVE NO CHANCE OF ESCAPING THAT.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS AND THEY GO WAY BEYOND THIS ROAD ALIGNMENT.
BUT THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP OF, OF, OF HOW IT'S HURTING US.
NOW WE ARE READY TO ESCAPE BECAUSE WE ARE SO FRUSTRATED.
WE'VE TALKED AND TALKED IN, IN EVERY OFFER THAT WAS MADE WAS JUST PULLED OUT FROM UNDER US.
AND, AND, AND SO IT WAS ALL NONSENSE.
IN OUR OPINION, THIS AFFECTS EVERY ONE OF US.
WE DON'T HAVE SPEAKING ABILITIES.
WE DON'T HAVE ABILITY TO PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION FOR YOU.
BUT I'M, I'M, I'M PLEADING NOT TO YOUR PROFESSIONALISM, BUT TO YOUR HUMANITY.
THIS AFFECTS REAL PEOPLE, REAL FAMILIES.
AND THIS, WE WERE HERE FIRST
I KNOW IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE FLOOD FLOODPLAIN, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO COST A LITTLE MORE MONEY.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE TAXPAYERS TOO.
UH, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WOULD HELP ALL OF US AS FAR AS THE SALES OF THE LAND.
BUT THOSE ARE THE REASONS WE WILL BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING FORCED OFF OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT THAT WE WANT TO GET RID OF IT ANYWAY.
I HOPE THAT I'VE COVERED EVERYTHING.
DENISE, JOSE, DO Y'ALL FEEL LIKE I'VE EXPRESSED YOUR VIEWS, WANDA? MM-HMM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR LISTENING TO US.
UM, ANY OTHER, UM, THAT WAS ALL PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION BY ANY OF THE PC TECH COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
NOW, RACKMAN, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE, UM, MR. KRAMER.
OH, MR. KRAMER, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING BACK UP TO THE PODIUM.
COULD STAFF BRING UP A, A MAP OF THE PROPOSED, UM, UH, CHANGE IN BECK ROAD SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK? PERHAPS MR. KRAMER, YOU COULD SHOW US OKAY.
WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEAH.
IS THERE A POINTER THAT HE CAN USE? YOU WANNA PUT TOGETHER WHERE I GO?
IS THAT THE LARGEST MAP WE CAN PULL UP? YES, IT IS.
THAT'S THAT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.
SO YOUR PROPERTY IS OUR, OUR PROPERTY IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
NOW MY LAST UNDERSTANDING THAT SINCE THEY PURCHASED BOTH PROPERTY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE THE BATTERIES OVER INTO THIS REGION RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT YOU SAW WHILE AGO, IT SHOWED THEM SOMEWHERE LIKE IN HERE.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
BUT WHAT WE WERE WANTED TO DO WITH THE ROAD THAT WOULD, AND THIS HERE BELONGS TO MS. SCHWAR, SHE HAS 126 ACRES.
SHE'S JUST DEVASTATED BY THIS.
SHE CAN'T, SHE LOVES THIS PIPE.
SHE CAN'T GET TO IT WHEN THE ROAD GOES.
SO I HAVE, SO CAN YOU HEAR ME HAVE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
SO THIS IS MS. SCHWARTZ'S PROPERTY.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE WERE ALL IN ON THIS MEETING WHEN THIS PROPOSAL WENT THROUGH, EVERYBODY OPPOSED IT, BUT WE DIDN'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW UP AND DO ANYTHING AND TALK ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, IT WAS JUST KIND OF, THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
AT LEAST EXPRESS OUR DESIRES AND OUR OPINIONS.
BUT THE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE THINK THE ROAD COULD BE MOVED TO HERE AND GO RIGHT DOWN THIS PROPERTY LINE AND IT WILL GET, GET OFF OF ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES.
IT WILL EVEN SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR, FOR OLIAN.
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MY MIND, AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE VERY LONG.SO THIS IS THE, IS IS, MS. SCHWARTZ GOT BOUNDARY HERE.
THIS PROPERTY HERE BELONGS TO THE, UM, IT'S A JOHNSON ESTATE.
UH, THIS BELONGS TO MR. CISNEROS.
THIS BELONGS TO, UH, WANDA AND I RIGHT HERE THE WAY IT IS NOW, WE HAVE TWO SECTIONS.
WE CAN ACTUALLY, THESE ARE, CAN ACTUALLY, EACH FUNCTION IS A CATTLE OPERATION.
AND, AND PRESENTLY WE'RE USING ONE AS THE WINTER AND THE SUMMER PASTURE.
AND WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS AS A WINTER PASTURE HERE.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK WE'VE PUT INTO THIS AND IT'S GONNA BE DISRUPTED.
THIS RIGHT HERE, IF YOU'RE ON THE GROUND, THESE ARE TWO OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BUILDING SITES.
SO IF WE WERE FORCED OFF OF THIS, WE COULD ACTUALLY DEVELOP THOSE TWO BUILDING SITES.
THIS ROAD'S GONNA GO RIGHT THROUGH THOSE BUILDING SITES AND THEY'RE NO LONGER GONNA BE VIABLE.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE CITY POWER LINES CPS POWER LINES.
SO THIS WILL BE THE FRONTAGE TO THAT PROPERTY IF, IF WE HAVE TO SELL IT, AND NOBODY'S GONNA BUY THAT.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE RIGHT IN HERE, YOU, YOU GO THROUGH A, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FLOODPLAIN.
THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PLATEAU TEAMING WITH WILDLIFE AND, AND, UM, GRASSES AND STUFF THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY HELP THE CATTLE DURING THE WINTERTIME.
BUT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO MOVE THE ROAD TO HERE, MOVE IT RIGHT HERE.
IT'LL GET OFF OF ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES.
THIS HERE I'M UNDERSTANDING, I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING THAT'S SPECULATION OR THAT IT'S HEARSAY, BUT I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS IS GONNA BE DEVELOPED INTO ANOTHER BATTERY FACILITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF THESE THINGS COMING UP AROUND TOWN.
THERE'S A LOT OF THESE PROPOSALS OUT THERE NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT.
WE DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT IT UNTIL JUST THE LAST MINUTE.
AND IT WAS, IT, IT WAS KIND OF BECAUSE OF THIS ROAD.
WE, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE BATTERIES.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE, THERE'S THREE, THERE'S THREE ISSUES I HAVE, AND THAT IS JUST THE SECRECY OF THIS WHOLE THING.
THE PUBLIC REALLY SHOULD BE INFORMED WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THEM.
SOME OF THESE ARE, ARE SERIOUS SAFETY MEASURES, BUT THIS IS MY OPINION, AND I THINK WE CAN RUN THE ROAD RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF MOVE.
IF YOU RECALL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, THE ROAD COMES BACK AROUND OVER HERE.
IT'LL BE MORE OF A STRAIGHT LINE SHOT.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS? WHEN THIS THING'S BUILT, 2000 HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THAT'S PROPOSAL IS.
THAT'S 435 ACRES AND IT'S, UH, CALLED NORTH LAKE LAKEFRONT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S A SERIOUS THREAT TO US, OUR OPERATION AND OUR LIVES, POSSIBLY OUR LIVES.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE OUR ISSUES WITH IT, AND THANK YOU.
IS THERE, DID I ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS? I PROBABLY ANSWERED WAY TOO MANY QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY STAFF OR MR. KRAMER? GO AHEAD, COLLEEN.
UM, ARE THERE ANY, WHERE ARE THE RESIDENCES ON THESE PROPERTIES? UH, OKAY.
UM, THERE, SOME OF THEM ARE TO THE LEFT.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS OUR SHOP AND OUR NEW BARN DOMINION THAT WE'RE BUILDING IN THIS, IN THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE.
UM, THESE ARE JUST SOME BARNS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR HAY.
UM, IT IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT THIS KIND OF CUTS IT OFF RIGHT HERE.
UM, THE OLD FAMILY HOMESTEAD ESTATES RIGHT HERE WHERE I'M POINTING THE, THE, THE LIGHT.
THEN THERE'S A SERIES OF HOMES RIGHT HERE AND, UH, OKAY.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, A BIG HOME THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S WHAT IS THERE, DENISE? IS THERE THREE HOMES OR THREE? THREE HOMES THERE? SO YEAH, THERE'S, SO THERE'S THERE'S THREE HOMES HERE.
RIGHT HERE, THERE'S THREE HOMES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE HOMES ARE.
AND CAN YOU SHOW US AGAIN WHERE THE PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS? IS, IS RIGHT, RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF BURCHARD AND GARDNER AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE.
UM, I HAVE A MAP HERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S MORE OR LESS JUST SHOWS THE, UM, THIS, THIS IS THE SECOND PAGE.
UM, FOR THE CITY STAFF, ARE THERE ANY PLANS IN THE NEAR FUTURE OR DID Y'ALL COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY ON ANY PLANS IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO, UM, IMPROVE BECK ROAD?
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AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THERE AREN'T, THERE AREN'T ANY PLANS, UM, EITHER FROM US OR FROM BEAR COUNTY REGARDING, UM, DEVELOPING BECK ROAD IN THE NEAR FUTURE.AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, IN THE APPLICANT'S, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. KRAMER, UM, IN YOUR NEGOTIATIONS, WERE THERE EVER ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ANY TYPE OF BUFFER TO EASE HIS CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT HE BROUGHT UP? GOOD MORNING.
UM, I SEE I'M SUPPOSED TO STATE MY NAME AND MY TITLE.
SO, UM, UM, I'M WITH OLIAN ENERGY.
I'M THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CENTRAL REGION OF THE US FOR OLIAN.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO WITH THAT, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU
UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE CITY, BUT WERE ANY TYPE OF BUFFERS OR ANY TYPE OF MM-HMM.
UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? SURE.
YEAH, NO, I'M HAPPY DISCUSSED WITH HIM.
ANY TYPE OF, UM, SO, SO FIRSTLY, UM, YEAH, I DO HAVE, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I CAN GO BACK THROUGH THE CHRONOLOGY, BUT I'M GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FIRST AND THEN IF, IF I CAN PROVIDE ANY MORE COLOR, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, AND SO ORIGINALLY THE, THE ORIGINAL ACREAGE THAT YOU CAN SEE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, UM, WAS THE PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, AND, AND THAT PROPERTY, UM, IS 37 ACRES.
UM, AND WE PURCHASED THAT IN, UM, 2021.
UH, AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY IT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY HELPFUL IF I JUST GIVE YOU, DO GIVE A LITTLE CHRONOLOGY JUST TO GIVE YOU THE, THE TIMEFRAME AND EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, WE ALSO, UM, RESPONDED, UM, TO CPSS RFP IN 2020.
SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, JUST BEEN A REALLY LONG, A LONG PROCESS.
UM, WE WERE TOLD AT THE END OF 22 THAT WE WERE CHOSEN FOR THE, UH, AWARD FOR THE 50 MEGAWATTS OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER, I, UM, MADE CONTACT WITH, UM, THE, THE LANDOWNERS TO THE NORTH MR. UM, KRAMER AND MR. POPE.
UM, PARTIALLY THE REASON BEING, I MEAN, THE MAIN IMPETUS FOR THAT WAS, UM, TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BUT ALSO WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THIS ROAD AND WANTING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IN AN OPEN-ENDED DISCUSSION TO TALK ABOUT IMPACTS AND WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WOULD BE.
UM, AND SO, UM, INITIATED CONVERSATION WITH, WITH TRIED TO INITIATE CONVERSATION WITH BOTH PARTIES.
UM, UH, MR. POGUE, UM, RESPONDED, UM, MR. KRAMER DID NOT.
UM, SO I STARTED HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MR. POGUE AND, UM, STARTED ASKING HIM, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT, WHAT HE WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS ROAD AND, AND ET CETERA, UM, ALL ALONG THE WAY ASKING IF HE COULD HELP ME GET IN TOUCH WITH MR. KRAMER AS WELL, UM, ALONG THAT WAY.
UM, I, I DID MAKE CONTACT WITH, WITH MR. KRAMER IN MARCH OF 23.
UM, AND I DID ARRANGE TO MEET HIM ON SITE AT HIS PROPERTY.
UM, DURING THAT TIME, UM, HE EXPL HE EXPLAINED SOME OF HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE CATTLE WE OFFERED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, WELL, LET ME SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
WE ARE ALSO TALKING TO, UH, MR. POGUE AT THIS TIME.
MR. POGUE THEN CAME BACK AND SAID, YOU KNOW, UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SELLING MY, MY PROPERTY TO YOU.
THIS WAS CONCURRENT WITH THE CONVERSATION WITH MR. KRAMER ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT ADJACENCY.
AND SO, UM, I TOOK, WENT BACK TO MY, UM, MY BOSS AND, AND, AND EXECUTIVE TEAM AND SAID, UM, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, WOULD I THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA IF WE WENT AHEAD AND TALKED TO MR. POGUE ABOUT PURCHASING THIS LAND BECAUSE IT WOULD PROVIDE A BUFFER, UM, AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MR. KRAMER THAT WOULD HELP, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF SOME OF HIS CONCERNS ABOUT ADJACENCY.
UM, ALSO WITHIN THAT, UM, I TALKED INTERNALLY ABOUT WOULD WE BE WILLING TO GIVE A GRAZING LEASE TO, UM, MR. KRAMER ON THE POE PROPERTY AS WELL? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, AND SO, UM, AND THEN MR. KRAMER WAS, UM, AT THE TIME THAT I MET HIM ON SITE IN MARCH OF 23, UM, I ALSO BROUGHT A BUNCH OF MATERIALS ABOUT STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE ABOUT SAFETY AS WELL.
HE WASN'T INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THOSE AT THE TIME.
UM, SO HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT LATER, BUT RIGHT NOW I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT MY, MY CATTLE AND I WANNA SHOW YOU THE PROPERTY.
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SO THAT'S FINE.UM, AND SO WHAT WE ENDED UP FOLLOWING UP DOING IS I BROUGHT MY CONSTRUCTION MANAGER TO MEET WITH MR. KRAMER ON SITE TO TALK ABOUT SAFETY CONCERNS, UM, IN, IN JUNE OF 23.
UM, AND, UH, AT THAT TIME, MR. KRAMER HAD DONE A LOT OF HIS OWN RESEARCH AND WASN'T VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT WE HAD TO SAY ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT OUR STUDIES HAD SHOWN AND ALSO OUR EXPERIENCE WITH DEVELOPING BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SAFELY.
UM, I CAN GET INTO MORE OF THAT IF YOU WANT.
UM, AT WHICH POINT, UM, WE DID GO AHEAD.
UM, NOW THERE, THERE WAS NEVER, KRAMER, NEVER, MR. KRAMER NEVER WANTED, UM, AN OFFER, UM, AND WASN'T INTERESTED IN SELLING, AND WE WEREN'T REALLY INTERESTED IN PURCHASING BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY USEFUL FOR US.
IT'S NOW, THIS IS TWO SITES NORTH AND NOT REALLY LAND THAT WE EVER WERE THINKING OF BUYING.
HOWEVER, IT JUST BECAME APPARENT THAT THIS WAS, AND I, I WAS REALLY SENSITIVE TO, YOU KNOW, AND TRYING TO GO BACK TO MY TEAM INTERNALLY AND SAY, I'M HEARING EVERYTHING THAT MR. KRAMER SAYING ABOUT THE FAMILY PROPERTY CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT THEIR LIVELIHOOD AND WELLBEING AND THEIR, THEIR FUTURE PLANS.
AND OUT OF RESPECT TO THAT, UM, MADE AN INTERNAL, UM, REQUEST THAT WE COULD MAKE AN, UH, UH, A PURCHASE OFFER.
UM, AND THEN JUST TO KIND OF GO BACK TO, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THE NUMBERS, BUT, UM, THE PRICE THAT WE PAID FOR THE ORIGINAL PARCEL VERSUS WHAT WE OFFERED, UM, MR. KRAMER WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.
UM, WE ALL KNOW THE ECONOMY HAS SHIFTED AND, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 2021 AND 23, THERE WERE SOME, SOME THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED THERE, BUT ALSO REALLY TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE FAMILY'S NEEDS AND WHAT WE COULD DO.
ALL THE WHILE OFFERING TO HAVE THE GRAZING OPPORTUNITY STILL EXISTS ON THE POGUE PROPERTY.
UM, AT THAT POINT, UM, MR. KRAMER, UM, THAT WAS IN SEPTEMBER OF 23.
HE'S RIGHT, THERE WAS A, A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.
THERE'S ALWAYS A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD FOR PHASE ONE ASSESSMENT, ALTA TOPO, VARIOUS THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO BEFORE YOU PURCHASE LAND, UM, THAT I NEEDED TO HAVE THAT TIME.
UM, HAD THAT, UM, PURCHASE OFFER GONE INTO, UM, THE, THE OPTION TO PURCHASE INTO EFFECT IN SEPTEMBER OF 23, WE WOULD'VE PURCHASED IT BY NOW.
UM, SO WE DID CLOSE ON THE POGUE PROPERTY IN OCTOBER OF, OF 23.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, IN SUMMARY, WE'VE MET IN PERSON THREE TIMES.
WE'VE HAD MANY CALLS, EMAILS, UM, REALLY TRYING TO SEEK TO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE STILL WILLING TO PROVIDE A GRAZING LEASE.
UM, WE, THE FENCE FELL DOWN, UM, WE FIXED IT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO SEEK TO UNDERSTAND AND BE SUPPORTIVE.
WE'RE STILL HERE TO BE SUPPORTIVE.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, WE PUT UP ON THE MAP SO YOU COULD SEE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LOCATION OF THE, THE PAD ITSELF AND, UH, THE MR. KRAMER'S HOME IS BETWEEN 900 A THOUSAND FEET AND, AND THAT THE PROPERTY THAT WAS JUST PURCHASED, UH, FROM MR. POGUE IS THAT, THAT SPACING BETWEEN THEM, THAT'S THAT KINDA BUFFER AREA THAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF WHAT SHE WAS DESCRIBING.
IT'S BECOME KIND OF SOMETHING THAT I KNOW BACK AND FORTH, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING MORE SPECIFIC.
IF I CAN ANSWER ANYTHING ELSE, UM, I'M AVAILABLE.
IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR MR. KRAMER FROM ANY OF THE COMMITTEE? GO AHEAD, MRS. BRAGMAN, THIS IS FOR, UM, MS. MILLER.
UM, IS THERE, WHAT TYPE OF SAFETY AND, UM, FENCING WILL BE AROUND THE FACILITY? SURE, NO PROBLEM.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THAT.
UM, THERE WILL BE FENCING AROUND THE ACTUAL FACILITY ITSELF.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, IT'S DOWN SOUTH, UM, FROM MR. KRAMER.
UM, WE ALSO, BECAUSE WE DID GO AHEAD AND PURCHASE THE POGUE PROPERTY, WE WILL ALSO BE PUTTING SCREENING AND FENCING ON THAT NORTHERN BOUNDARY AS WELL.
AND I ASSUME THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO YOUR MICROPHONE? SORRY.
I, I ASSUME THAT THERE'S ALSO SOME SORT OF SAFETY PROCEDURES I WANT OF MR. KRAMER'S CONCERNS IS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE OF THOSE BATTERIES, DOES THAT CREATE TOXIN THAT THEN LEACHES OUT EITHER INTO THE GROUND OR THE AIR? SO WHAT SORT OF SAFETY PROCEDURES ARE IN PLACE? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO THERE'S, UM, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.
UM, AND, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY
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DICTATED THROUGH, UM, THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION OF TEXAS.WE OF COURSE DO IT ANYWAY, BUT THERE ARE SOME, UM, DEFINITELY, UH, PROTOCOLS IN PLACE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, SO I'M GONNA ADDRESS FIRST, UM, KIND OF THE PROCEDURE FOR AN EMERGENCY AND WHAT HAPPENS, AND THEN I CAN ADDRESS THE SAFETY CONCERNS.
SO, UM, SO THERE'S A WHOLE PROTOCOL IN PLACE IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOTIFICATION, YOU KNOW, WHO'S ON SITE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS, BUT, AND THEN, AND, AND SO THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT.
THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT, AS YOU SAW FROM SOME OF THE PICTURES, THESE ARE, UM, CONTAINERIZED, UM, STORAGE FACILITIES.
THEY'VE EVOLVED OVER TIME SINCE THEY WERE FIRST CREATED, UM, TO NOW.
AND SO, UM, NOW THERE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, IT'S LIKE AN ONION.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE BATTERY CELL THAT'S INSIDE OF A BOX, INSIDE OF A BOX BOX, LIKE, AND SO THE WHOLE POINT IS TO ACTUALLY CONTAIN IT.
AND SO THAT WAS, WE'VE DONE SOME ACTUAL SITE SPECIFIC STUDIES WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO, UM, WE DO HAVE THESE ALREADY OPERATIONAL IN NEIGHBORHOODS IN TEXAS, IN, IN THE CHISHOLM GRID PROJECT IN FORT WORTH.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S, UM, NEXT TO AN AIRPORT IN CALIFORNIA.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE DOWN SOUTH IN MISSION TEXAS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OUR OWN EXPERIENCE WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW THESE THINGS WORK FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, BUT HISTORICALLY THEY HAVE IMPROVED OVER TIME.
AND WE ALSO DID A STUDY WHERE WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH THE BATTERY MANUFACTURER TO ACTUALLY ON PURPOSE IGNITE THE BATTERIES IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHAT THE, THE ACTUAL, UM, DISPERSION WAS OF ANY CHEMICAL.
AND IT'S, IT'S LIKE WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, THEY DON'T, IT DID NOT SPREAD TO THE OTHER BATTERIES.
WE EVEN TRIED TO PUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE, UM, CONTAINER ON FIRE AND IT, IT WOULD NOT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THESE THINGS ARE SAFE.
ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, UM, AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO SHARE THOSE STUDIES AS WELL WITH, WITH MR. KRAMER IN PERSON.
UM, BUT ALL THAT SAID, UM, YES, I CAN APPRECIATE THE CONCERN.
WE ALSO HAVE THE BUFFER IN PLACE.
WE ALSO HAVE THE SCREENING IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT'S GONE IN TO BE, TO THINK ABOUT THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND, AND HOW THAT LOOKS AND WHAT THE PERCEPTION IS.
AND UM, IT LITERALLY, THEY LOOK LIKE 18 WHEELER TRUCKS IS EFFECTIVELY, SO THAT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT AS INTRUSIVE AS YOU WOULD THINK AND THEY DO STAY CONTAINED.
UM, IF THERE IS AN, AN ISSUE, THE ONBOARD SYSTEM ACTUALLY HAS MANY SHUTOFFS ALREADY.
SO THERE'S ALL OF THESE PROTOCOLS WHERE IT'S LIKE, IF THERE WAS EVER ANYTHING WITH ONE CELL, IT WOULD JUST SHUT ITSELF DOWN IMMEDIATELY.
SO IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE IT WOULD ACTUALLY CATCH ON FIRE.
AND THEN EVEN IF IT DID, THEN THERE WOULD BE THE PROTOCOLS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD GO AND BRING IN THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BASICALLY PUT WATER JUST AROUND THAT ONE BATTERY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T SPREAD TO ANOTHER.
BUT THERE IS AN EVIDENCE OF SHOWING THAT, UM, THAT THEY HAVE SPREAD SO, UM, BEYOND ONE CONTAINER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE RECENT HISTORY IS IN BATTERIES WITHOUT GETTING TOO MUCH DEEPER INTO IT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT HERE WITH THIS BUFFER IN PLACE, THE SCREENING IN PLACE, THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT'S GONE INTO PUTTING THIS PROJECT TO TOGETHER TO, AND, AND THE OUTREACH THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WE'VE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO BE, UM, OUT IN FRONT OF THIS AND COMMUNICATIVE.
UM, THANK YOU MR. LEY, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT IS, AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THERE'S NO RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION FOR THIS ROAD WITH YOUR SUBDIVISION PLAT? SO THE, UM, AND THE ENGINEERS ARE HERE AS WELL, BUT THERE IS A RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, UH, IN THE INITIAL PLA AND THEN WHEN ONCE WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, WE HAD A ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY DISCUSSION.
SO WE SUBMITTED AN A VR TO SAY THE ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY FOR THIS SITE IS BARELY ANYTHING.
THERE'S A, UH, RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AND A, UH, DRAINAGE, UM, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE GARDNER ROAD ON THE WEST HAND SIDE.
AND IT FAR EXCEEDS THE IMPACT THAT WE WERE MAKING.
AND, AND FOR THAT REASON, WE WOULD NOT BE DEDICATING IF THE A VR WAS APPROVED, WE WOULD NOT BE DEDICATING THE ROADWAYS ON PART OF THE PLAT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GONNA JUMP IN REAL QUICK.
I DO WANNA REMIND, UM, THE COMMITTEE THAT THE LAND USE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE BASED ON YOUR DECISION.
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LOCATION AND ALL OF THAT IS THERE NO RIGHT OF WAY IS BEING DEDICATED.AS HE SAID, THERE ARE PROPORTIONALITY IS ABOUT $6,000.
THERE'S NOT A LOT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT.
UM, AND SO THOUGH I, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THE BATTERY STORAGE, THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE LOCAL CODES AND ORDINANCES, UM, REGARDLESS OF THE DISCUSSION HERE, BUT THAT THE LOCATION OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
ANYBODY ELSE? BIANCA, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL PARCEL THAT WAS ACQUIRED, UM, NORTH OF WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING, HAD YOU LOOKED AT AN ALTERNATE LAYOUT LOCATION, UM, FOR THE BEST FACILITY AREA PLA FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE BATTERY STORAGE AREA ON THE, ON THE LAND.
AND I'M NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE USE, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE LAYOUT.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE EXISTING, UM, MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW IF YOU'VE CONSIDERED AN ALTERNATE LOCATION WITH THE ADDITION OF THAT ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH? YEAH.
UH, THERE, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE PURCHASE OF THE, THE PROPERTY NORTH, UH, CAME FAR INTO THE PROCESS.
SO THAT WASN'T REALLY PART OF TRYING TO MOVE THE DESIGN BY THAT POINT.
BUT THE REASON FOR THAT, THIS WAS KNOWN FROM THE BEGINNING, THAT WE WERE GONNA BE ASKING FOR THIS WAS BECAUSE OF CP S'S REQUEST OF WHERE THE CONNECTION WAS GONNA TAKE PLACE.
SO IT REALLY WASN'T OUR DESIGN OF WHERE WE WERE DOING OUR PAD SITES.
IT'S WHERE CPS IS YOU, YOU CAN'T SEE IT HERE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT SHOWN BECAUSE CPS SAID, WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT ON OUR OWN.
BUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THEY TOLD US THAT'S THE POINT, UM, WHERE WE WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CONNECTION.
SO WE KNEW FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WE WERE JUST GONNA HAVE TO TRY TO MOVE IT EAST.
YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO DO IT AS, AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THE, THE OVERHEAD LINES WERE THERE, SO IT JUST KEPT PUSHING EAST.
UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE, WE, WE COULD HAVE EASILY MOVED IT, YOU KNOW, 86 FEET TO THE EAST IF WE, IF WE COULD HAVE, IF THE, THE POWER LINES WEREN'T THERE AND IF THE STOCK POND WASN'T THERE.
BUT REALLY WE WERE JUST TRYING TO SHIFT AWAY FROM WHERE CPS TOLD US THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND, SO THE REASON YOU'RE CLOSEST TO BURCHARD ROAD IS ARE YOU TYING INTO CPS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ON ROAD? BECAUSE I SEE A CPS FACILITIES STRUCTURE ON YOUR PROPERTY, THAT'S LITERALLY WHERE THE ROAD WANTS TO BE OR WHERE IT EXISTS TODAY BEFORE THE PROPOSED REALIGNMENT.
AND SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT YOU CAN'T SHIFT ANYTHING ON YOUR PROPERTY FURTHER BACK OR OFF TO THE WEST.
SOME THINGS CAN MOVE A LITTLE BIT FOR WHERE WE'RE OUR PAD SITE, BUT FOR WHERE THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE, THAT CAN'T SHIFT.
THAT'S, THAT WAS KIND OF LOCKED IN PLACE AND THAT'S WHAT NEEDED TO, THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
AND SO DOES CPS OWN THIS STRUCTURE ON YOUR PROPERTY? THEY, WELL, GO AHEAD.
SO, SO BASICALLY CPS OWNS THE SUBSTATION THAT WE'RE INTERCONNECTING INTO AND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO, AND YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GETTING TOO DEEP INTO IT, ONE OF THE MAIN IMPETUSES FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS THE, THE, UH, REDUCTION AT THE JK SPRUCE, UH, COAL.
SO THIS IS A GRID RESILIENCY MOVE FOR CPS TO, TO HAVE BACKUP POWER.
UM, AND SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEING THERE, IT LENDS ITSELF TO, THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD NEED TO TAP INTO THE ACTUAL TRANSMISSION LINE IN ORDER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PLUG IN, NOT TO BE TOO GERMANE, BUT TO PLUG IT IN TO THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY CERTAIN BUILDINGS ARE PLACED IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS.
'CAUSE IT'S INFLUENCING WELL, IT'S THE OPERATION, IT'S ULTIMATELY THE USE IS DICTATING WHY YOU HAVE CERTAIN STRUCTURES YEAH.
IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS ON THE LAND, WHICH IS DICTATING THE REALIGNMENT REQUEST, UM, THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY.
I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET INTO THE HOLE.
WHO OWNS WHAT, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S PLAYING A HUGE ROLE AND WE DON'T REALLY SEE THAT.
I MEAN, WE KNOW KIND OF WHERE THE OVERHEAD LINES ARE.
WE KNOW WHERE THE STREET IS, BUT THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
SO THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY CAN'T BE PUSHED FURTHER BACK INTO THE PARCEL OF LAND TO AVOID THE REALIGNMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THAT'S VERY, UM, THOUGHTFUL OF YOU TO POINT OUT.
AND I THINK IT'S LIKE SOMETHING THAT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE COVERED BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF, WE WE'RE SO DEEP INTO THINKING ABOUT OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR BUSINESS PLAN AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN TAP INTO THAT TRANSMISSION LINE.
BUT YES,
WE'RE TAPPING INTO THE, THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
BRAGMAN, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A FOLLOW UP TO BIANCA'S QUESTION.
SO IS THE CONNECTION UNDERGROUND ABOVE GROUND, ON THE GROUND? WHAT IS THE CONNECT? WHERE IS THE CONNECTION? SURE.
THE CPS? YEAH, IT'S, IT IS ABOVE GROUND.
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A, IT'S A STEP UP SUBSTATION, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING THE POWER FROM THE BATTERY, THE BATTERY STORAGE, UM, UNITS.AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THE, THE TRANSMISSION LINE TO THE SUBSTATION THAT ACTUALLY PLUGS INTO THE POWER LINE.
SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PUT UNDERGROUND? NO, NO.
THE LINE LOSSES AND IT, IT, IT'S JUST NOT REALLY FEASIBLE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF.
UM, CAN WE FIRST GO BACK TO THAT ONE? OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, SLIDE THAT HAS THE ALIGNMENT AND THE FLOODPLAIN SHOWN.
I THINK IT, IT, I THINK IT WAS TWO DOWN.
IT HAS AN AERIAL IMAGE AS WELL.
UM, SO FIRST QUESTION IS REGARDING THE MAJOR THOROUGH FOR PLAN, WHEN WOULD THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT ROAD BE TRIGGERED? UM, I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN A FUTURE CITY BOND PROJECT, BUT IT WOULD BE TRIGGERED BY DEVELOPMENT.
SO AS I SAID EARLIER, UM, THEY DID CONSULT WITH PUBLIC WORKS AS FAR AS, NOW IT'S NOT PLANNED FOR CONSTRUCTION.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD TRIGGER IT IS IF THEY DID HAVE DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO IT, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DEDICATE AND BUILD UP TO THE ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IN THIS CASE, UM, PROBABLY NOT GONNA BUILD A ROAD THAN $6,000.
BUT, UM, IF THEY, IF THEY DID MEET THAT ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY NUMBER, THEY WOULD DEDICATE AND BUILD, UM, AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING.
AND THAT GOES FOR THE FUTURE OR THE NORTHERN PROPERTIES AS WELL.
SO BASED ON THIS ALIGNMENT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY TO A GROUP THAT WOULD DEVELOP AND TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT ROAD.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS.
AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT REALIGNING IT, THE, THE PORTION EVEN FURTHER TO RUN ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE AND CROSS THE FLOODPLAIN AT A, WHERE IT'S KIND OF NARROW? SO IN GENERAL, UM, IT, WE'RE ONLY GONNA DISCUSS THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
WE DID BRING UP A COUPLE OF ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS, BUT RUNNING ACROSS THE FLOODPLAIN IN GENERAL, WE WOULD RATHER NOT DO BECAUSE KEEPING THE FLOODPLAIN IN THE NATURAL STATE IS ACTUALLY BETTER FOR THE DRAINAGE AND THE OVERALL HEALTH OF THE WATERSHED.
AND, AND I GUESS IF YOU PUSH IT TO THE EAST, IF THEY WERE TO SELL, THEY WOULD BE CUTTING OFF THAT PORTION 'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO CROSS THE FLOODPLAIN FROM THAT ROAD.
UM, ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? YES, GO AHEAD, CHRISTIAN.
SO I APPRECIATE THE CPS ENERGY'S A COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT ENTITY.
UM, BUT BEING PUBLIC, I WOULD IMAGINE IT HAS ITS OWN, UM, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, IS THERE ANY INFORMATION STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHARE ABOUT WHAT CPS MIGHT HAVE GONE THROUGH IN TERMS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE SIDING LOCATION, UH, REGARDING A BATTERY STORAGE? UH, NO.
THERE, THERE WASN'T ANY INFORMATION FROM CPS, BUT JAMES CAN GO FURTHER ON THAT.
I'LL JUST ONE PART TO IT WAS JUST THE PUBLIC PROCESS SO FAR HAS BEEN THE RFP, THE REALLY, SO THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS KNOWN THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THAT 50 MEGAWATT STORAGE SITE WHERE IT ACTUALLY WAS CHOSEN.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THAT.
I DID WANT TO ASK OR, OR ADDRESS ONE THING.
WE TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND WHETHER OR NOT THE ROAD WOULD BE BUILT A, ACCORDING TO WHEN THINGS GET DEVELOPED, MR. KRAMER POINTED OUT THE NORTH LAKE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTHWEST.
THAT IS A LARGE DEVELOPMENT GOING IN.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THAT ALL HAVE TO DO WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.
NOTHING IS PLANNED TO EXTEND BURCHARD ROAD OR TO EXTEND OR GO NORTH ALONG BECK ROAD FOR THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S ABOUT A HALF A MILE AWAY.
SO THAT IS AN OFFSITE WOULD BE AN OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE, UH, TIA FOR THE NORTH LAKE DEVELOPMENT.
COLLEEN, YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? YES.
IT APPEARS THAT THE SUM TOTAL OF THE NEED TO MOVE BECK ROAD
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IS BECAUSE CPS WANTS TO BE EXACTLY WHERE BECK ROAD IS.AND I ASSUME EVEN IF IT WERE MOVED, EVEN IF THEIR PAD WAS MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE, THERE'S THE DESIRE NOT TO GO OVERHEAD OVER BECK ROAD.
HOWEVER, THE, IS THIS THE TYPE OF TRANSMISSION THAT'S NOT ALLOWED TO GO UNDERGROUND OR IT'S JUST NOT AS COST EFFECTIVE? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO, I I, I'LL ASK MELISSA.
UM, SO THE, THE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS OF INTERCONNECTING INTO THE TRANSMISSION LINE, ACTUALLY, UM, IT, IT, IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ABOVE GROUND SUBSTATION TO TAP INTO IT.
THERE'S NO WAY TO, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BREAKING THE TRANSMISSION LINE AND CREATING, UH, A SUBSTATION TO INTERCONNECT INTO THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
SO THERE'S NO OTHER, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY FEASIBLE TO GO UNDER.
DOES THAT, CAN I ELABORATE ANY FURTHER ON THAT? OH, I'M SORRY.
I, I WAS SITTING DOWN SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHO ASKED IT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT THAT LOCATION FOR, FOR CPS COULD NOT BE MOVED FURTHER, SAY NORTHEAST AND THEN THE LINES RUN UNDERGROUND AND CONNECTED TO THE YEAH.
TRANSMISSION LINES THERE? NO, AND, AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, I'M NOT, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT THAT WE'VE HAD ON THIS, UM, WITH THE ENGINEERING TEAM AND JAMES AND KCI BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S APPARENTLY A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT WOULD LOOK ON AN AERIAL
SO, UM, I THINK THAT THERE ARE VARIOUS REASONS WHY, UM, IT WOULDN'T WORK THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE, WHAT I UNDERSTAND WITH THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, ALSO, UM, YEAH, THIS IS JUST PARTIC THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE WORKS FOR THIS.
UM, THE ACREAGE IS GOOD AND, YOU KNOW, FLAT AND SOLID AND WORKS.
AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR A GRID RESILIENCY PRODUCT THAT IS PROVIDING CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE A, A BIG CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF, UM, FOR SAFETY AND JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT THE, THE PROPER PLACE TO PUT THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
FRAGMENT, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A STAFF QUESTION PROBABLY.
SO DOES BARARD ROAD AND RIGHT AT THAT VERTICAL BLACK AND BLACK DOTTED LINE, SO THAT PORTION OF BROSSARD ROAD, FROM THAT DOTTED LINE TO THE RIGHT TO THE EAST DOESN'T EVEN EXIST AT THIS POINT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND SO AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PLANS ON THE BOOKS FOR THAT TO BE BUILT? THAT IS CORRECT.
WHICH MEANS THAT THAT PUSH OF BECK ROAD WOULD PROBABLY FOLLOW THE EXTENSION OF BURCHARD ROAD.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FIRST, CORRECT.
BURSAR ROAD WOULD HAVE TO BE EXTENDED FIRST BEFORE THAT PUSH COULD EVEN BE ENTERTAINED.
COULD THERE BE NOTHING TO CONNECT IT TO? CORRECT.
ADDING ONTO HER QUESTION, COULD YOU EXPAND OUT AND SHOW WHERE THAT ROADWAY DOES NOT EXIST? BECAUSE I THINK WHAT, TO HER POINT, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING MAY INDICATE THERE'S A ROAD THERE.
SO HOW FAR WOULD BURCHARD ROAD HAVE TO BE BUILT OUT BEFORE YOU WOULD CONSIDER THIS BECK ROAD TYING INTO A ROAD THAT DOESN'T EXIST, ESSENTIALLY? SO, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S MORE TOTALITY TO THIS DISCUSSION AND, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE RESIDENTS COMING FORWARD AND EXPLAINING THEIR OPERATIONS.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS A HEARTBURN ABOUT THE BECK ROAD, UH, ALIGNMENT AS IT OR NOT ALIGNMENT.
THE BECK ROAD AS IT IS PROPOSED TODAY, AND EVEN TRYING TO MOVE IT OVER INTO THE FLOODPLAIN IS JU IS AN ABSOLUTE NOT FEASIBLE OPTION FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT'S BEING DONE TO PROTECT OUR NATURAL CREEK WAVES, BUT ALSO THE FLOODPLAIN UPDATES THAT ARE GOING ON, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR HISTORICAL EVENTS AND THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, THE CITY ADOPTING THE ATLAS 14, AND THIS IS OUT IN THE ETJ.
SO TO BE COGNIZANT OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, NOT TO HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT DOWNSTREAM OR ESCALATE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, UM,
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EXPONENTIALLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN IS NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE.SO I THINK IN THE TOTALITY OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY, UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S NOT BUILT TODAY, I THINK IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT BECAUSE THIS IS ALL BACK IN, YOU KNOW, UNDEVELOPED AREA OUT IN THE ETJ.
AND YOU KNOW WHY WHILE THIS STREET IS LABELED, IT'S NOT BUILT OUT.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU DROP THE PERSON ON GOOGLE, THERE'S A DEAD END RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S A NICE LITTLE SIGN THAT SAYS CALIBER PLANT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO TO A GOOGLE MAP IMAGE AND ZOOM OUT TO SHOW WHERE THE ROADWAY IS TODAY AND WHERE IT IS NOT.
CAN THANK YOU THAT TO SATELLITE VIEW IS TO THE WHOLE POINT, YOU HAVE TO CONNECT TO SOMETHING AND THAT SOMETHING HAS TO BE THERE, RIGHT? THAT LOOKS LIKE A ROADWAY, BUT IT'S NOT A ROADWAY.
IT'S PROBABLY LIKE A PRIVATE DRIVE INTERIOR TO A PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S POTENTIALLY MAYBE USED TO ACCESS THE POWER LINES FOR MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S ALL SAN ANTONIO LAND, THAT'S ALL THE, THE CP S'S LAND.
EVERYTHING SOUTH OF EVERYTHING SOUTH OF IS ALL SAN ANTONIO.
THAT IS AN INTERNAL DRIVE FOR THAT.
THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY NO ROAD THERE.
TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S VERY CRITICAL.
SO SHOW HOW MUCH CPS OWNS ON THE LOWER HALF OF THIS, IF YOU COULD EVEN GO TO A BIGGER IMAGE, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT PUTTING ROADWAY, UM, AND YOU LOOK AT, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK OF WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OPERATION OF CPS IN THAT AREA, YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
SO HOW BIG IS THEIR PROPERTY? THEIR PROPERTY STARTS, THEY OWN ALL OF THIS? NO, NO, IT'S THE CORNER FAR TO THE EAST.
IT'S NOT THE RED DOCK EAST OF EAST OF BURNER.
SO RIGHT THERE, THEY OWN ALL OF THIS.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S NOT INFRASTRUCTURE HERE, I THINK THEY WOULD BE CONCERNED IF YOU START BRINGING IN A, A WHOLE BUNCH OF TRAFFIC IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S ADJACENT TO THEIR OPERATIONS.
AND SO I WORRY WHILE IT IS A PLAN HOW EXECUTABLE IT IS, UM, IN ITS OPERATIONS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE GARDNER ROAD THAT EXISTS TODAY, AND THIS IS LANDLOCKED RIGHT NOW, IT'S FENCING IF THE CHAIR RECOGNITION.
OKAY, SO THIS AREA THAT I POINTED OUT, THAT 453 ACRES IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE BATTERIES, THEIR PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, YES, THIS IS, THIS IS IT RIGHT HERE.
THE CURRENT STRUCTURE WITH THE ROADWAYS IS GARDNER ROAD, AND THERE'S GARDNER AND THERE'S BURER OVER TO NOW.
BURER IS A VERY SMALL THOROUGHFARE, AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF DIPS IN IT.
AND, AND, AND IT GOES INTO FOSTER ROAD, WHICH IS A WINDY 40 MILE PER HOUR ROAD.
AND THEN THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE FOR THESE RESIDENTS IS TO GO DOWN GARDNER.
NOW AS YOU PROCEED DOWN GARDNER AND YOU GET TO THE INTERSECTION WITH SULFUR SPRINGS ROAD, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND IS A, A SERIES OF SCHOOLS THAT YOU CAN BARELY NAVIGATE THROUGH RIGHT NOW AS IT IS.
SO THAT'S THE REASON THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE AN ANOTHER OUTLET OR INLET FOR THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, IS THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO RUN THOSE PEOPLE PAST THAT SCHOOL.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE.
AND THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA CHOOSE TO EXTEND BEHI AND GO ACROSS, BECAUSE THAT GIVES THEM AN OUTLET WITH
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO ENABLE THE PEOPLE TO, TO GET ACCESS TO 2046 HOME IS GONNA GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN OR PROBABLY WON'T HAPPEN.
I REALLY BELIEVE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN VERY SOON.
AND I DON'T, I I I, YOU KNOW, I I JUST, I'M, I'M REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT SOMETHING.
THE MAPS THAT I SAW, THE LAYOUT FOR THIS PLANT WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE.
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ACTUALLY MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED AND IT WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN TOWARDS OUR PROPERTY, NOT THE THE BILL, NOT THE THE BATTERIES THEMSELVES.BUT THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THE CPS IS ALREADY JUST IN, IN OCTOBER OR SEPTEMBER HAS, HAS, UH, ISSUED A 500 MEGAWATT ENERGY STORAGE RFP.
I THINK THAT WHOLE PROPERTY IS GOING TO END UP BEING BATTERIES.
AND THE, THE INFORMATION I HAVE AS FAR AS THE SAFETY CAME FROM TEXAS A AND M.
IT CAME FROM A WHOLE BUNCH OF, IF, IF YOU WANNA KNOW ABOUT IT, LOOK ON THE INTERNET, LOOK AT BSS SAFETY, YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY CAN CALL IT SAFE BECAUSE THESE BATTERIES ARE, ARE LITHIUM ION.
THEY DO GO INTO THERMAL RUNAWAY.
THERE'S A CASE IN SURPRISE, ARIZONA, WHERE IT PUT, UH, I THINK SEVEN FIREFIGHTERS IN THE HOSPITAL.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, ALL THE ELEMENTS ARE THERE TO KEEP GOING.
SO ALL THEY CAN DO, LIKE SHE SAID, AND THEY DO BREAK 'EM INTO SEGMENTS, BUT THEY HAD ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS IN PLACE, INCLUDING COMMUNICATIONS, AND IT STILL DIDN'T, ONCE THAT BATTERY REACHES A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE, YOU CAN'T STOP IT.
IT'S GOING AND ALL THE, IT'S GONNA PROPAGATE TO ALL OF THOSE AROUND IT.
SO, SO I, I JUST REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, IS THAT THE LIMIT OF THE GROWTH OF THIS? IS THERE GONNA ALL BE, IS THAT GONNA BE THE END OF IT? THOSE, THOSE TWO 50 MEGAWATT OR THAT 50 MEGAWATT SYSTEM? BUT I HAVE MY DOUBTS BECAUSE CITIES BRA, GO AHEAD MRS. BRAMAN, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, TRANSPORTATION PARTICULARLY.
SO IN THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE 2000, UH, LOTS FOR RESIDENTIAL INSTRUCTION, UM, DOES THE CITY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC AND THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL ROADS WHEN YOU PUT IN THAT MANY HOUSES? YEAH, SO THEY DID DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR IT.
UM, I WAS ACTUALLY A LOOKING AT JUST NOW, UM, AND WHAT THEY AREN'T PLANNING ON CONSTRUCTING, UM, THE REMAINDER OF BURCHARD, THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION WITH GARDNER AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS UP AT NEW SULFUR SPRINGS AND GARDNER AND HONESTLY, LIKE A THREE PAGE LAUNDRY LIST OF ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, UM, FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY.
THE ACTION ITEM FOR, UH, TODAY'S, UH, UM, ISSUE ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
AND WHETHER YOU'RE, UH, THE, THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS IN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EITHER ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR NOT MOTION RECOMMENDATION.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. NLA AND MS. BREG, UH, A SECOND.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT, NOT ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT'S, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A CASE AND YOU HAVE SO MANY RESIDENTS WHO COME UP IN OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, IT'S KIND OF INDICATIVE THAT IN THE FIRST SECTION WHEN THEY DESIGNATED THIS LOCATION THROUGH THERE, THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PROPER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
I WOULD JUST ASK THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEIR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, BE SENSITIVE TO THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION, UM, AND, AND, AND BE GOOD NEIGHBORS IN, IN THE TOTALITY OF THIS.
AND, AND I KNOW AS WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, AT SOME POINT I HOPE THE MPT IS UPDATED IN ITS TOTALITY BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN QUITE SOME TIME BEFORE IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT FROM A HOLISTIC POINT, WHICH BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
LET'S ZOOM OUT, ZOOM OUT, WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON AROUND THERE TO UNDERSTAND THE TOTAL PLAN OF IT.
AND I THINK THAT IS, THAT'S IMPORTANT AND I HOPE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT OCCURS.
THANK YOU, MS. LINDO, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR BRINGING OUT AND IF, AND IF I'M CORRECT ON THIS, JUST TO, TO GIVE THE RESIDENTS WHO WERE, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
UH, I BELIEVE THE STAFF PRESENTED THIS GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE 27TH OF MARCH, AND THEN IT'LL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR BITE OF THE APPLE, SO TO SPEAK.
UH, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, UM, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, UH,
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WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, TO, UH, UH, ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NEW ALIGNMENT.UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
UH, THAT COMPLETES OUR AGENDA.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE STAFF HAVE ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE UNDER NEW, UNDER NEW BUSINESS? NO, THAT, THAT IS ALL THE ITEMS FOR TODAY.
IT IS, UH, 10 32 AND WE WILL BE ADJOURNED.
THANK EVERYBODY FOR PARTICIPATING.