* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. IF WE COULD BEGIN WITH OUR SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES STATEMENT, PLEASE, BEFORE YOU GET BACK TO THE ROOM. GRACIA. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, IF ANYONE IS ILL OR FEELS THAT THEY NEED A MASK, I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE SOME MASKS AVAILABLE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE ONE AND YOU CAN GO OVER THERE INTO THE CORNER. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ROB SIPES AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT SEVEN ZONING COMMISSIONER. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICE MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION IN THE SESSION. THE TIME IS 1 0 3. I'D LIKE TO DO A ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT. MARCO BARRO, DISTRICT NINE, JOHN BUSANTE, DISTRICT FIVE. DANIEL KELLUM, DISTRICT ONE, JOHN WHITIT, DISTRICT 10. TAYLOR WATSON, DISTRICT TWO. JANELLE CHASE, MAYOR'S OFFICE. GEORGE AND OSA DISTRICT THREE. EDDIE REYES, DISTRICT FOUR. IAN HUI, DISTRICT SIX STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PRIOR TO COMMENCING OUR HEARING, I WOULD LIKE OUR STAFF TO REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE STAFF. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE SEE YOUR CASE MANAGER. STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN X INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST. FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED IN TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST A PROPOSED REZONING. YOU WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. YOU WILL BE INFORMED THAT THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES. THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK AND MUST YIELD THAT TIME. AS THE SPEAKER GOES TO THE PODIUM, THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. STAFF, IF [Zoning Items  ] YOU COULD PLEASE GO OVER THE LIST OF ITEMS ON THE COMBINED AGENDA. DO YOU WANT ME TO BRING UP THE ITEMS THAT ARE POSTPONED RIGHT NOW FIRST? YEAH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER. THANK YOU. ITEMS UM, ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE POSTPONED AND NOT HEARD TODAY ARE ITEMS NUMBER ONE, LOCATED AT 2 2 7 9 BANDERA ROAD AND NUMBER 19 LOCATED AT 1100 SOUTH PRESA STREET. AGAIN, THESE ITEMS ARE POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. AND IF THEY ARE RESTARTED, YOU WILL RECEIVE REIFICATION. THANK YOU. AS SHE MENTIONED, UM, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES ON BANDERA ROAD IN SOUTH PRESA, YOU'RE FREE TO LEAVE AS THOSE ITEMS WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY AND YOU'LL BE RE NOTIFIED IF FUTURE ACTION OCCURS. NOW I GUESS WE CAN GO OVER THE LIST OF ITEMS ON THE COMBINED AGENDA. ITEMS ON THE COMBINED AGENDA ARE ITEMS 7, 8, 9, 10, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, AND 20. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OF THESE ITEMS YOU WISH TO PULL TO INDIVIDUAL OR ANOTHER? LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT, SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD READ THE, UH, COMBINED AGENDA INTO THE RECORD PLEASE. [00:05:01] ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO IDZ ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 4 0 3 CORNELL AVENUE, 35 NOTICES WERE SENT, ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM I ONE AND C TWO TO TOD WITH GENERALLY WITH OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 5,100 BLOCK OF OLD PIOL ROAD 52, I'M SORRY, 62 NOTICES WERE SENT, ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE SOUTHWEST COMMUNITY. PEOPLE ACTIVE AND COMMUNITY EFFORT OR VALLEY FOREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. ITEM NUMBER NINE, A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FULL SERVICE WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 5 5 3 8 HAYDEN DRIVE. 16. NOTICES WERE SENT. FOUR. RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE'S NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AN AMENDED SITE PLAN FOR REVIEW. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 4 7 ROSEBUD LANE. 20 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED IN HARLANDALE MCCOLLUM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C3 R TWO MF 25 LOCATED AT 92 0 3 AND 93 0 3 CINNAMON HILL DRIVE. 56 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR WHEN OPPOSED AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE 1 6 5 ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 14, A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO R SIX HL WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 9 1 1 WEST AGARITA AVENUE. 23 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 15, A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO R SIX HL WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 8 2 4 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. 24 NOTICES WERE SENT. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX C3 AND I ONE TO I ONE WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 75 80 GRISSOM ROAD. 13 NOTICES WERE SENT, ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED, AND THERE WAS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. ITEM NUMBER 18, A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM I ONE AND C ONE TO C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1507 AURELIA STREET AND 1703 RIGSBY AVENUE. 26 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE'S NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. ITEM NUMBER 20 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TWO C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 2 1 2 6 EL SENDERO STREET. 27 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE EL DORADO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME VOICEMAILS TO BE PLAYED FOR THOSE ITEMS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IF WE'D HEAR THOSE VOICEMAILS PLEASE. THIS IS FOR ITEMS 14 AND 15 STEELMAN. I LIVE AT 900 WEST WOODLAWN AND I CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE CHAIR OF THE BEACON HILL ZONING AND URBAN DESIGN COMMITTEE. AND I'M CALLING ABOUT TWO CASES ON ONE CALL. ONE IS NINE 11, I'M SORRY, 8 24 WEST MAGNOLIA AND NINE 11 WEST AGARITA. I WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE PLEASED TO FIND THAT THESE HOMEOWNERS CARE ENOUGH ABOUT THEIR HOME AND ITS HISTORY TO SEEK THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. THESE HISTORIC HOMES BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY BY PRESERVING THE UNIQUE HISTORY AND THE SUSTAINABLE HOUSING STOCK OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BEACON HILL. WE NOT ONLY SUPPORT THIS, WE ARE GRAD, UH, WE WE HAVE A LOT OF GRATITUDE TOWARDS THESE HOMEOWNERS THAT THEY WOULD DO THIS AND PLEASE SUPPORT IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, [00:10:01] I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THESE ITEMS. MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ITEM NUMBER NINE AS AMENDED. ITEM NUMBER 10. ITEM NUMBER 13. ITEM NUMBER 14, 15, 17, 18, AND 20. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. MR. BONOS. ALRIGHT. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? LOOKING LEFT. SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT. SEEING NONE. UM, RIGHT. UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 7, 8 9 IS AMENDED. 10 13, 14, 15, 17, 18 AND 20. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WATSON WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARROS. MOTION FOR APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT? YES. COMMISSIONER CHASE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEMS PASS AS AMENDED. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THOSE ITEMS WILL NOW BE PROCEEDING ON TO CITY COUNCIL AND YOU ARE FREE TO ENJOY THE REST OF THE DAY. THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO OUR COMBINED HEARING, OUR CONTINUANCE HEARING. NUMBER ONE, ITEMS TO BE, UH, GIVEN A TWO WEEK CONT OR REQUESTING A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE TO MAY 21ST ARE ITEMS NUMBER 2, 3, 5, 6, AND 11. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. AND WE DO HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS FOR ITEMS FIVE AND, UH, VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM 11. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR ITEM FIVE AND VOICEMAILS FOR 11. CORRECT. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HEAR THE VOICEMAILS FIRST AND THEN WE'LL HEAR THE SPEAKERS. I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT THESE VOICEMAILS ARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 11. OH, THANK YOU. YES. UH, MY NAME IS CINDY WILLIAMS, 58 0 7 SPRING VILLAGE, 2 1 0 6 5 3 5 3 9 6. I'M CALLING TO STATE MY OPPOSITION IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER OH 47 AND EXTREMELY CONCERNED NCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. P THIS IS JOSEPH P MOT AT 58 19 SPRING CROWN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO FOUR SEVEN. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO TEN TWO FOUR SEVEN SEVEN EIGHT SIX ONE. I CALL AN OPPOSITION TO REZONING OF THE GREENBELT LAND IN DISTRICT 10. THE INTERSECTION OF SPRING CREEK FARM IN NACODOCHES FOR A LOW INCOME APARTMENT COMPLEX. CASE NUMBER 0 4 7. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. JOAN REED, THAT'S REED. MY ADDRESS IS 5 8 7 8 SPRING. KEVIN, EXCUSE ME. UH, I'M CALLING REGARDING CASE NUMBER 0 4 7. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING. UM, I AM CALLING TO STATE MY OB OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSAL, UH, TO DR TO JOHN WHITTICK, OUR DISTRICT ZONING COMMISSIONER, UH, AND OPPOSITION TO CLIFF MORTON DEVELOPMENT AND BUSINESSES. UM, THE, UM, PROPOSAL IS OUTRAGEOUS. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 2000 HEALTH WEALTH AND EFFORTS TO, UH, BEING A GOOD MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY AND I INTEND TO CONTINUE. BUT THE, UH, IDEA OF HAVING ANOTHER APARTMENT UNIT BUILT IN THIS VERY STRATEGIC CRITICAL AREA, UH, THAT WE HAVE SUCH LIMITED ACCESS TO OUR HOMES AS IT IS, UH, THE FACT THAT THIS WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE OUR SITUATION ALMOST UNINHABITABLE, UH, WITH, WITH THE CONGESTION, THE TRAFFIC FLOW, IT, IT WOULD [00:15:01] JUST, UM, BE A DEATH NAIL TO A CONTINUED, UM, SANE WAY FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO EXIST. AND I THINK IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DISASTROUS ON SO MANY LEVELS. AND, UH, THOSE OF US WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR THIS LENGTH OF TIME GENERALLY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP ROOTS AND MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE OF, OF A HABITABLE LIFESTYLE. THAT, SO I THINK I GAVE YOU MY BIRTHDATE. 12/24/43. I'M NOT SURE. HI THERE. MY NAME IS LEROY WILLIS. I LIVE AT FIVE EIGHT FIVE NINE SPRING CABIN. MY TELEPHONE NUMBER IS (210) 449-4961. I'M A 30 YEAR RESIDENT IN THE SPRING CREEK AREA AND I OPPOSE CASE 0 4 7, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WANTS TO BUILD ON SPRING FARM AND SPRING NINE OR SPRING, SPRING CABIN AREA BETWEEN SPRING FARM AND FACING OSIS. I, UM, THAT AREA IS REALLY HIGH DENSITY LIVING NOW AND THAT MUCH MORE WILL MAKE THIS AREA VERY, VERY UNATTRACTIVE AND ALSO, UM, HINDER, UH, UM, TRAFFIC AND BRING SO MUCH MORE, UH, CONFUSION TO THE AREA. UH, ANY CONSIDERATION AND TURNING THIS DOWN WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LISA BOND, I RESIDE AT FIFTY EIGHT OH SEVEN SPRING VALLEY. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (915) 549-9753. I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE NUMBER 0 4 7. AND I OPPOSE THIS, UH, ZONING. I ASK THAT YOU DO NOT PASS THE ZONING FOR THIS, UH, THESE APARTMENTS. WE HAVE MANY AMPLE APARTMENTS NEXT TO US ACROSS THE STREET ON OSH. THERE'S A FEW UP THE STREET ON STALL THERE IN, THEY'RE BUILDING MANY MORE. 1604 IN JETSON. THERE'S MANY MORE. I ASK THAT YOU LEAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ALONE. YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE TRAFFIC, YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE CONGESTION AND NOISE AND CRIME AND IT DECREASES OUR HOME VALUES. WE DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING POSITIVE FOR THIS. UM, AND THERE'S ALREADY A BUNCH OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES, SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT IF YOU, YOU WOULD LEAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ALONE. SO WE KEEP IT TO, UM, NEIGHBOR FRIENDLY AND WE HAVE A LITTLE GREEN SPACE, SO PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE. I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THE SEWING, SO WE'D ASK THAT YOU DON'T DO THIS. THANK YOU. YES. CASE NUMBER 0 4 7. MY NAME IS MAURA LAGUNA, 58 62 SPRING CABIN 7 8 2 4 7. AND I OPPOSE THIS, UM, LOW INCOME HOUSING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. UM, IT'S GONNA JUST RUIN THIS NICE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE YOU ALL PUT THIS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD AND THEN YOU LET US KNOW IN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS HOW IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU. OR BETTER YET, TRY TO PUT IT AT THE DOMINION. I'M SURE THOSE PEOPLE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS, UM, LOW INCOME HOUSING SO THEY CAN BE ROBBED. UM, IF YOU WANT TO SUPPLY SECURITY SYSTEMS FOR OUR HOMES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THAT'S AN IDEA. BUT OF COURSE THE VALUE OF OUR HOME IS GONNA GO DOWN SO MUCH. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE WORTH IT. UM, AGAIN, CASE NUMBER 0 4 7 AND I CANNOT EXPRESS STRONGLY ENOUGH MY OPPOSITION TO THIS LOW INCOME HOUSING. AND MR. UH, WHITE SHOULD NOT RUN AGAIN IN 2025 IF HE DOES THIS BECAUSE HE WILL LOSE. THERE'S JUST NO WAY THAT PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WILL VOTE FOR HIM. SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME, UM, SPEAK. I'M PHYSICALLY NOT ABLE TO GO TO THE MEETING, BUT I WISH THAT I COULD. AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, 0 4 7 IS THE CASE NUMBER AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA AND WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS FOR SOMEBODY THAT ISN'T EVEN IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HELLO, MY NAME IS MICHAEL CASTRO. I LIVE AT 6 0 5 0 SPRING VALLEY, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 7. MY NUMBER'S [00:20:01] 2 1 0 5 5 9 7 0 9 1. I WANT TO OPPOSE THE UM, FOUR CASE NUMBER 0 4 7. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO A REZONING. I COMPLETELY OPPOSE THAT. OUR AREA'S ALREADY CONGESTED. THERE'S ALREADY ENOUGH NOISE AND CRIME AROUND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS WOULD BE A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE MISTAKE. I COMPLETELY OPPOSE IT. THIS IS FOR CASE NUMBER 0 4 7. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. REFERENCE TO CASE NUMBER 0 4 7. NAME IS SAMUEL KAISER, 58 43 SPRING SQUARE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 2 1 0 5 0 1 9 6 8 5. UM, I'M CALLING TO REQUEST A RECONSIDERATION OF THIS, UH, ZONING REQUEST. UH, IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PARTICULARLY SINCE THE PROPOSED, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, USE OF THE LAND WILL INCLUDE A THREE STORY BUILDING. THREE STORY BUILDING IS NOT FOUND IN THE CURRENT ZONING OPTION. A CHANGE OF THIS SORT AFFECTS THE PROPERTY VALUE OF THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS AND SUBDIVISION AS A WHOLE. UH, I THINK WE NEED TO FIND SOME SORT OF FAIR COMPENSATION IF THIS IS TO GO FORWARD. UH, JUST GRANTING THIS WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION OF US AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN SPRING CREEK, UH, DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE EQUITABLE. UH, I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. THANK YOU. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO, AND THAT IS IT FOR THE VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM 11. I'LL GO INTO SPEAKERS FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UM, FIRST WE HAVE MS. ROSEMARY IN GUANO. ZUNIGA, I AM SO SORRY THAT I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR LAST NAME FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE LOCATED AT MISSION ROAD. YES. AND YOU'RE FREE TO SPEAK NOW. YOU CAN WAIT SPEAK AT THE, AT THE NEXT HEARING OR YOU CAN SPEAK AT BOTH HEARINGS. IT'S WHATEVER YOU WOULD WISH TO DO. I CAN SPEAK BOTH. OKAY. AND JUST, JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE YOUR AND ADDRESS PLEASE WHEN YOU GET TO THE MIC AT THE MICROPHONE. PLEASE, MA'AM. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ROSEMARY ANGUIANO ZUNIGA. I RESIDE AT 2 38 BUSILLO DRIVE, 7 8 2 1 4. I'M TRYING TO FIND MY SENT MESSAGE. SORRY. SENT, SENT REMED. OKAY. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, I'M AN EIGHTH GENERATION DESCENDANT, A PEDRO AND LIFELONG PARISHIONER OF MISSION SAN JOSE. UM, I CURRENTLY, OF COURSE IT COULD CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S A CONTINUANCE. CURRENTLY I DO NOT SUPPORT THE LAND LEASE CHANGE OF 3,400 MISSION ROAD FROM C3 TO MG 18. THE PROPERTY IS TOO CLOSE TO MISSION SAN JOSE AND IT DOES NOT REFLECT THE SOUTH SIDE COMMUNITY PLAN WE ARE WORKING ON. AND FOR MANY YEARS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT. MY FATHER, THE LATE ROBERT ANO WHO PASSED IN NINE IN 2017 WORKED ON WHEN HE, WHEN HE FIRST STARTED THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. AND, AND HE WAS A TRANSPLANTED WESTSIDER, UH, WHO RESIDED AT MARTIN STREET AND ZAMORA. SO I AM WESTSIDER SOUTHSIDER. UH, HE MARRIED MY MOM. AND JUST A LITTLE FUNNY THING REAL QUICK. MY GRANDMOTHER TOLD BOTH HER DAUGHTERS, DO NOT MARRY WESTSIDERS. AND GUESS WHAT THEY DID? THEY BOTH MARRIED WESTSIDERS. OKAY. SO MY DAD WAS SUCH A PROUD INDIVIDUAL OF THE SOUTH SIDE. IN FACT, PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WAS A SOUTH SIDER BECAUSE HE WAS SO PROUD OF MY MOTHER'S HERITAGE AND, UH, THAT WE HAVE IN THE MISSIONS. UM, SO I SAID HE MARRIED MY MOM. ANO, WHO'S SEVENTH GENERATION PEDRO DESCENDANT, CANARY ISLAND DESCENDANT, AND A MEMBER OF THE DAUGHTERS REPUBLIC OF TEXAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND NEXT, UM, MS. THERESA EZ. GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD. MY NAME IS TERESA IVANEZ AND I LIVE IN THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ON 1438 NAPIER AVENUE THAT IS PARALLEL TO THE PROPERTY, UH, [00:25:01] 3,400 MISSION ROAD. I DO NOT SUPPORT, UH, THIS REQUEST TO REZONE 3,400 MISSION ROAD FROM C3 TO MF 18. I HAVE BEEN ATTENDING THE SA TOMORROW MEETINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY PLAN SINCE 2017 AND VOICED THAT PROPERTIES NEAR MISSION SAN JOSE CONTINUE TO STAY PARKS OPEN SPACE LOAD, UH, DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL OR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. THE DEVELOPERS DID MEET WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ON NAPIER AVENUE, BUT THEY DID NOT CONVINCE US THAT THEIR PROJECT WAS APPROPRIATE AT THIS ADDRESS. AND WE DID NOT FEEL THAT IT REFLECTED WHAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS FOR THE FUTURE TO ENSURE OUR UNESCO SITE, THE PROPERTY IS A BLOCK AWAY FROM MISSION SAN JOSE ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE NATIONAL PARK PROPERTY. AND I NOTICED THAT NONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOWED YOU THE VISTA FROM THAT PROPERTY TO MISSION SAN JOSE. IT IS VERY CLOSE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST OUTSIDE THE PROTECTIVE VIEW SHED, IT IS STILL TOO CLOSE TO MISSION SAN JOSE. THERE ARE CURRENTLY FIVE VACANT LOTS NEAR MISSION SAN JOSE AND WE ARE FEARFUL THAT IF THIS REZONING, UH, IS APPROVED, DEVELOPERS WILL THEN BE MOTIVATED TO HAVE MORE APARTMENTS BUILT ON THOSE LOTS. MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DEFENDED MISSION SAN JOSE FROM DEVELOPMENT THAT PROMOTED HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, BELIEVING THAT IT WAS ENCROACHING ON THE OUTSTANDING UNIVERSAL VALUE OF ITS WORLD HERITAGE DESIGNATION AND THAT HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WAS DETRIMENTAL TO THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF THE MISSION AND TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. PLEASE HELP MY COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO PROTECT MISSION SAN JOSE FROM HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT NEAR ITS GROUNDS. AND TO OUR COMMUNITY'S GOAL OF BALANCING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. HELP US CONTINUE TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT OUR UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE. THANK YOU. AND THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS TO BE, UH, REQUESTING CONTINUANCE. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION FROM A COMMISSIONER ON THESE ITEMS? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS TO THE MAY 21ST HEARING ITEMS NUMBER 2, 3, 5, 6, AND 11. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE ITEMS 2, 3, 5, 6, AND 11 TO THE MAY 21ST MEETING. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WATSON WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARDOS DISCUSSION. LOOKING LEFT. SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER LUM? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER WIT? YES. COMMISSIONER CHASE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEMS PASS FOR CONTINUANCE TO MAY 21ST. ALRIGHT, WELL WE WILL SEE Y'ALL IN TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE SECOND CONTINUANCE HEARING. WE HAVE ONE ITEM REQUESTING A FOUR WEEK CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 4TH, 2024. ITEM NUMBER 16. AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ONE. ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THAT ITEM. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 16 TO THE NUMBER 16, EXCUSE ME, TO THE JUNE 4TH HEARING. AND I'LL SECOND THE MOTION . I'M ALREADY LOOKING THAT WAY 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. ALRIGHT. UH, THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE. ITEM NUMBER 16 TO THE JUNE 4TH MEETING BY COMMISSIONER WATSON WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARTOS DISCUSSION. UM, COMMISSIONER CALLEN, DID YOU HAVE DISCUSSION? OH, SORRY. . IT WAS LIKE, WOW. UM, LOOKING LEFT, SEEING DONE. LOOKING RIGHT. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER HUI AYE. COMMISSIONER WHATAPP? YES. COMMISSIONER CHASE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASS. ITEM PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE. ALRIGHT, WELL TO THE JUNE 4TH DATE, CORRECT? YES. JUNE 4TH. DID I SAY SOMETHING OUT? NO, YOU HEARD SOMETHING, BUT, ALRIGHT, JUST CONFIRMING. WELL, OKAY, JUST CONFIRMING. YES. JUNE 4TH. WE WILL SEE Y'ALL THEN. OKAY. MOVING ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING. I BELIEVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR [00:30:01] IS UP. CORRECT. IF WE COULD HAVE STAFF'S PRESENTATION. GOOD AFTERNOON ALL. UM, NAME IS KELLY SANDERS, PLANNING COORDINATOR WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. A ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST IN A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C ONE TO C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 32 67 ROOSEVELT AVENUE. 21. NOTICES WERE SENT. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE, UH, FROM THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, THE EXISTING C ONE LIGHT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS ALSO AN APPROPRIATE ZONING. THE PROPOSED ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL ZONING AND USES AND IS AN APPROPRIATE ALONG THE ROOSEVELT CORRIDOR. THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO OPEN A MEDICAL CLINIC. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS AMENDING THEIR, UM, APPLICATION TO C ONE S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A MEDICAL CLINIC. THE SITE PLAN IS ON THE SCREEN AND THE A, UM, AGAIN, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR EITHER THE C TWO OR THE C ONE S FOR SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE TELL US JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND REQUEST. MY NAME IS BOB MILKS. I'M A COMMUNIC CARE HEALTH CENTERS. UH, WE'RE A NON-PROFIT FROM SAN ANTONIO. WE OPERATE 24 HEALTH CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. YOU WANTED TO HIRE? THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. WE WANNA OPEN A CLINIC ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THAT'S OUR INTENT. IT'LL BE A PEDIATRIC CLINIC AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. SO BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE TAKING A VACANT BUILDING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. WE'RE NOT DEMOLISHING IT, WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING NEW. WE'RE GUTTING THE INTERIOR AND WE'RE GONNA BUILD APPROXIMATELY 5,000 SQUARE FOOT CLINIC. WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION. UH, WE'VE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION. FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS TO SIT THERE AND DO A NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES. WE WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. SECOND RECOMMENDATION WAS THE CHANGES TO A C ONE S. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE JUST WANT PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'VE BEEN WAITING ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF, FIVE MONTHS NOW. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD SINCE YOU WERE WALKING UP WHEN SURE. WHEN YOU SAID IT. MY NAME'S BOB MILKS. M-I-L-K-S. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE DO. WE HAVE, UM, SOME SPEAKERS. FIRST AGAIN, IS, UH, MISS ROSEMARY AND ? I'M GANO ZUNIGA, THANK YOU. YES, PLEASE. SO YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. UH, ROSEMARY GANO ZUNIGA, 2 38 BUSIA DRIVE, WALKING DISTANCE FROM MY, UH, RESIDENCE ON ROOSEVELT, GOING UP TO BY MISSION SAN JOSE, OF WHICH THE MISSION PHARMACY USED TO EXIST. UM, GROWING UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, A LOT OF GREAT MEMORIES OF GOING OVER TO MISSION PHARMACY WHEN IT ONCE WAS THE PHARMACY AND THE SODA SHOP AND EV ET CETERA. UH, SEEING THAT VACANT BUILDING WAS SOMETHING THAT I KIND OF HAD, UH, EYED FOR A BIT, BUT AT THAT TIME, FINANCIALLY I WASN'T ABLE TO PROBABLY INVEST IN IT AT THAT TIME. HOWEVER, WHEN I DID FIND OUT THAT, UH, THIS ORGANIZATION WAS WANTING TO COME TO THE COMMUNITY FOR HEALTHCARE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEN I FOUND OUT THAT THEY DO TAKE TRICARE. SO I'M A VETERAN, 31 YEARS OF SERVICE, 10 AND YEARS ENLISTED. 21 OFFICER OF THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE STARTED AS A MEDICAL TECHNICIAN AND EVENTUALLY BECAME A PERSONNEL OFFICER. SO TO ME, HEALTHCARE IS VERY IMPORTANT. UH, HAVING SUBBED IN THE HARLANDALE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR 10 YEARS, UM, I DID STOP AT THE END OF DECEMBER BECAUSE I'M KIND OF BUSY WITH MY 85-YEAR-OLD MOTHER AND OTHER COMMITMENTS THAT I HAVE. UH, VERY INVOLVED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO CONTINUE MY DAD'S LEGACY OF, UH, IMPROVING AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THE HARLANDALE ISD AREA. SO I AM TOTALLY FOR THE, UH, THE CENTER. I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS LARGE AS SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, BUT I DID FIND OUT IF I DO BECOME A COMMUNICA PATIENT, UH, SOMEDAY WHEN I BECOME OLDER AND I NEED GERIATRIC CARE, OF WHICH MY MOTHER, I'M STILL TRYING TO FIND A GOOD DOCTOR. SO IF, YOU KNOW, I NEED GERIATRIC DOCTORS, LET ME KNOW. BUT I'M THINKING OF MY FUTURE THAT SOMEDAY I'M GONNA NEED SOME KIND OF SPECIALIZED CARE WHEN I BECOME MUCH OLDER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND NEXT, UH, MS. JANE HENRY. [00:35:06] HELLO, MY NAME IS JANE HENRY. I'M PRESIDENT OF THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND, UM, OUR MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEMBERS HAVE MIXED OPINIONS ON, UH, HAVING MEDICAL OFFICES ACROSS FROM THE MISSION. UM, WE'RE CONCERNED, UM, THAT THESE SERVICES ARE MORE APPROPRIATE ALONG, UH, SOUTHEAST SOUTHWEST MILITARY DRIVE OR PLEASANTON ROAD, FLORES ROAD. UM, HOWEVER, UM, WE, UH, AND WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE, UM, C TWO ZONING, WHICH, UH, COMMUNICA HAS AGREED TO, UM, TO CHANGE TO A C ONE S. THE, UM, THE C ONE S, UM, IS A C ONE FOR SPECIFIC USE, AND WE THINK THAT THAT IS MORE FAIR TO THE, UM, TO THE OTHER BUSINESSES ALONG THE ROOSEVELT AVENUE IN THAT AREA. UM, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION RECOMMENDED THAT THE ZONING CHANGE FOR, FOR THAT AREA RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE MISSION SAN JOSE TO C ONE, THIS WAS A FEW YEARS AGO IN ABOUT 2018, SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WOULD, UM, HAVE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO REVIEW, UM, ALL NEW, UM, ZONINGS AND BUSINESSES THAT COME TO USE THAT, THAT SPACE. UM, AND I WOULD AGAIN LIKE TO READ FROM THE GOAL NUMBER FOUR OF THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL TO ENHANCE LOCAL QUALITY OF LIFE WITHIN THE MISSIONS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE WORLD HERITAGE BUFFER AREA. BY STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY IN GENERAL, TRANSFER TRANSFORMATION OF THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT MUST STRENGTHEN AND ENHANCE AND ENHANCE THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, NOT DISPLACE IT. THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL TO THE IDEA OF WORLD HERITAGE SITE AND ITS RECOGNITION OF THE CITY'S INDIGENOUS CULTURE. UM, THE C ONE S REQUIRES, UM, UH, THE BUSINESS TO SUBMIT A SIDE PLAN, WHICH THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE, AND THEY SHARED IT WITH US AT OUR APRIL 9TH MEETING. ANY FUTURE PLANS TO REBUILD OR EXPAND UNDER THE C ONE S ZONING WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS COMPLY WITH ALL CURRENT UDC CODE AND OVERLAYS. UM, THEREFORE WE CAN APPROVE A C ONE S, UM, ZONING FOR, FOR THIS BUSINESS, BUT NOT A C TWO. AND WE THINK THAT THE COMMUNICATOR HAS A AGREED TO THAT. SO, UH, THEY WILL WORK WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT NOW, WHICH SATISFIES US. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND, AND THAT'S IT FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT. IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE, DO YOU WANT A CHANCE FOR ANY REBUTTAL AT ALL OR YOU GOOD? ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. WELL THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE, CORRECT? WE, SORRY. WE'LL JUST NEED AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION THAT THEY'RE AMENDING THE REQUEST. OH YES. COULD YOU MAKE THE, COULD YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND MAKE THE OFFICIAL AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT THAT YOU ARE AMENDING TO C ONE S? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND IS THAT NA AS WELL? HE MENTIONED, NO, YOU CAN'T DO AN NA ON C ONE. CAN'T DO AN NA ON C ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE REQUESTING A C ONE S ZONING CHANGE. I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. WHAT DID YOU SAY? ? CLOSER TO THE MIC. WE ARE REQUESTING A C ONE S ZONING CHANGE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE, SO TO YOU. COMMISSIONER HENO JOSEA FOR QUESTIONS. WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO HEAR ME TALK FOR 30 MINUTES. I THINK THESE GUYS ARE STRAIGHT TO THE POINT. I THINK WE MADE A GREAT, UH, COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND OUR NEW DEVELOPERS AND NEW PARTNERS IN, IN THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, A MOTION TO, WELL ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE TWO QUESTIONS REAL QUICK. PARKING, HAS THAT, I GUESS FOR STAFF PARKING, DOES THAT SEEM RELEVANT? I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE A CLINIC COMPARED TO A PHARMACY. SO THEY HAVE INDICATED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON THEIR SITE PLAN. I SAW THAT IT'S ADEQUATE. YEAH, BUT IT'S ADEQUATE. OKAY. YES. AND HAS A TRAFFIC STUDY BEEN DONE? I MEAN, WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE MISSION TRAIL, UH, MISSION AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, WE DON'T DO A TRAFFIC STUDY. UM, THEY, THEIR USE IS NOT GOING TO GENERATE LIKELY THE 76 PEAK HOUR TRIPS. BUT IF IT DOES, THEN A STUDY WILL BE WARRANTED. BUT THAT'S AT THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE OF THE PROJECT. GOT IT. UNDERSTOOD. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A MOTION TO, FOR APPROVAL WITH THE AMENDED C ONE S. LEMME [00:40:01] SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FIRST. REAL QUICK, JUST SURE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ANYBODY, UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL JUST SECOND THAT MOTION WHENEVER , HOLD ON. OKAY. SO MOTION IS MADE FOR APPROVAL TO, TO C ONE S BY COMMISSIONER INZA. IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER BARDOS, YOU SAID YOU WERE SECONDING. OKAY. HAPPY TO SIR. ALRIGHT. DISCUSSION. LOOKING RIGHT, SEEING NONE, LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE, MAN. I COULD, I COULD HAVE LOTS OF STORY TIME ABOUT THIS AREA, BUT I WILL NOT BECAUSE THE STORIES WERE GREAT ALREADY. SO I'M, I'M NOT GONNA PROLONG THAT. UH, MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER HUI AYE. COMMISSIONER WIT? YES. COMMISSIONER CHASE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASSES AS AMENDED. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM WHICH ITEM WE MOVED. OKAY. SIX MOVED UP. IS IT ITEM 12? YES. ITEM 12 PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SAMANTHA BEA, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER 12 IS LOCATED AT FOUR 20 EIDS AVENUE GOING FROM R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH ALL OVERLAYS STAYING THE SAME. THERE WERE 20 NOTICES SENT OUT. ONE IN FAVOR TO OPPOSE NO RESPONSE FROM ST. LOUIS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND NO RESPONSE OUTSIDE OF 200 FEET. THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. THE CURRENT R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT. BEING LOCATED WITHIN A BLOCK ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET STAFF FINDS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES NOT MEET THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. ADDITIONALLY, INTRODUCING THE PROPOSED C TWO ZONE WOULD INCREASE THE POTENTIAL FOR COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT INTO AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. STAFFER RECOMMENDS KEEPING THE BAY ZONING DISTRICT OF R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND ADDING THE CONDITIONAL USE OF A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO PERMIT THE PROPOSED USE WHILE RESTRICTING HIGHER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION FOR R SIX CD RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE IF YOU NEED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT'S THE WRONG PHOTO ON THE PLAN. THERE WE GO. AND ALSO, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HEAR THIS ITEM AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF A LAND USE CHANGE FROM LOW DENSITY CITY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WELL, I'LL HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT, UH, IF WE COULD HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS. UM, GLAD TO BE PRESENT. I AM MIKE VIAL. I LIVE AT 6 3 9 MISSION STREET AND I'M HERE FOR MY DAD. UH, MY FATHER URIEL, UH, HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE THE 1980S. BUT THIS PROPERTY, AND IF WE COULD SHOW THE FACE OF THE BUILDING THERE WE ARE. SO TH THIS VERY SIMPLE, HUMBLE BUILDING HAS BEEN MY FAMILY SINCE THE SIXTIES. UH, THIS LITTLE BUILDING HA SUPPORTED MY GRANDFATHER WHEN HE OPERATED HIS HAND WHEN HIS, HIS HIS PAINT SHOP WHERE HE, HE PAINTED BY HAND SIGNS FOR BUSINESSES BACK WHEN BUSINESSES HIRED PEOPLE TO PAINT OUT SIGNS ON THEIR GLASS FACADES. UH, HE OPERATED THAT BUSINESS AT THIS LOCATION. HE SOLD THAT THIS SITE TO MY UNCLES WHO RAN THEIR HOUSE PAINTING BUSINESS OUT OF THERE. AND THEN THEY SOLD IT TO MY FATHER WHO RAN HIS AC REPAIR SHOP OUT OF THIS SITE. MY FATHER IS IN HIS SEVENTIES, HE'S RETIRED AND HE RENTS OUT THIS BUILDING NOW TO A CARPENTER. AND SO FOR DECADES THIS HAS BEEN A COMMERCIAL SITE SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESSES, SPECIFICALLY PEOPLE IN THE TRADES RUN THEIR OPERATION. A FEW MONTHS AGO WE LEARNED THAT THE CITY CHANGED THE ZONING ON US . AND SO WHILE THIS DECISION IS CAST AS A REQUEST [00:45:01] TO REZONE, WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT, THAT THAT HAPPENED TO US, WHICH WAS THE ZONING CHANGED WITHOUT MY FATHER'S KNOWLEDGE. AND WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU CAN FIX THIS WRONG BY JOINING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PUT IT BACK TO COMMERCIAL. UM, I, I HAD A, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR 15 YEARS. UH, I RETIRED FROM THAT. BUT I HAVE A LOT OF FOND MEMORIES AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE POSITION YOU'RE IN BECAUSE OF THAT EXPERIENCE. YOU AND OUR CITY OFFICIALS ARE USING PUBLIC POLICY TO, TO MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD. AND YOU'RE PASSING RULES AND POLICIES THAT ARE GENERAL IN NATURE, BUT AS ALWAYS, POLICIES HAVE SOMETIMES UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I THINK TODAY YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, WHICH WAS AN, A CHANGE TO THE HISTORIC USE OF THIS SITE. UM, THE CITY HA UH, OR ORIGINALLY ASKED IF WE COULD JUST GRANDFATHER IT, KEEP IT R SIX, YOU CAN USE THE PROPERTY AS YOU'RE CURRENTLY USING IT, BUT IF YOU SELL IT, THEN YOU LOSE ALL THE RIGHTS AND IT GOES BACK TO R SIX. UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN A RESIDENCE. LIKE THE, THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTION THAT YOU COULD LABEL IT RESIDENTIAL IS, IS REALLY OUT THERE. UM, BUT IN RESPONSE TO THEIR REQUEST, UH, MY DAD DOES NOT WANT TO LET GO OF THE VALUE OF HIS PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, SOME RETIREES INVEST IN THE STOCK MARKET AND IN BONDS. MY FATHER, WHO'S BEEN A AC REPAIRMAN HIS WHOLE LIFE, HE INVESTED IN SOME SMALL PROPERTIES AND THIS IS ONE OF 'EM. AND THIS IS HOW HE MAKES ENDS MEAN. ONE DAY HE MAY SELL THIS BY NECESSITY TO PAY FOR LONG-TERM CARE DOWNGRADING. THE ZONING ON THIS HAS A DIRECT NEGATIVE IMPACT, A HARM TO HIM. AND SO I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE PUT IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS, WHICH WAS A C TWO PROPERTY. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? I DON'T. WE DO NOT. ALRIGHT. THIS IS A, UM, DISTRICT THREE CASE. SO DO YOU COMMISSIONER HENA FOR QUESTIONS? YES. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF, FOR CITY STAFF. WHY, WHEN AND WHY WAS THE ZONING ORIGINALLY CHANGED? SURE. IT WAS PART OF A LARGE AREA REZONING IN 2009. SO IN OCTOBER OF 2009 IT WAS DOWN ZONED TO AN R SIX TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA. THIS QUESTION, YOU MAY NOT KNOW, BUT WERE THERE OTHER PROPERTIES ADJACENT OR RELATIVELY NEXT TO THE PROPERTY? 'CAUSE I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP, I SEE COMMERCIAL ON ROOSEVELT. UH, I KNOW THE HOUSE NEXT TO THEM ON ROOSEVELT IS AN R SIX. IS THAT CURRENTLY A, A BUSINESS OR MR. AL? UM, IF WE COULD, UH, GO TO THE PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTIES AT THE CORNER OF, UH, ONE MORE THERE. OKAY. SO THIS IS, UH, THE COMMERCIAL OPERATION AT THE CORNER OF ROOSEVELT AND EIDS. AND IT IS, IF YOU OPEN THE FRONT DOOR OF OUR BUILDING, YOU LOOK OUT TO THE, THE, THIS STRUCTURE WHICH TAKES UP, IT EXTENDS INTO NOT JUST THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT ALSO TO OUR PART OF EIDS. AND SO REALLY THERE'S THREE PROPERTIES THAT MAKE UP THAT CORNER. IF YOU INCLUDE THE GOLF COURSE ON THE OTHER SIDE, I MEAN THERE'S ANOTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL OPERATION THERE. BUT LET'S JUST TAKE THIS SIDE OF, OF ROOSEVELT. THERE'S THREE PROPERTIES, THIS OPERATION, MY DAD'S BUILDING, AND THEN A RESIDENCE. AND SO REALLY THE ODD PERSON OUT IS THE RESIDENCE. IT'S NOT MY DAD'S BUILDING. I MEAN, THIS IS OUR, THE VIEW TO, TO THE FRONT OF OUR BUILDING. UM, SO I I THINK WHAT CHARACTERIZES THIS NODE IS, IS COMMERCIAL, NOT RESIDENTIAL. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT INLAYS A PROBLEM STAFF, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT IT'LL BE A BUSINESS WITHIN RESIDENTIAL. 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN TWO R SIXES, CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND THEN, SO THE WHOLE INTENTION OF THIS, THE, THE OVERLAY AND ROOSEVELT AVENUE AND DISTRICT THREE AND THE DOWN [00:50:01] ZONING WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS ALONG ROOSEVELT, WHICH WAS APPROPRIATE FOR COMMERCIAL BE LEFT ALONE COMMERCIAL. BUT IF THERE WAS OPPORTUNITIES THAT IT WAS GETTING FURTHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT BE DOWN ZONED TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO THAT, THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE LARGE AREA AT THAT TIME. AND SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES ALONG ROOSEVELT THAT WERE, WERE ZONE, THAT ARE STILL ZONED FOR EITHER C ONE OR C TWO. A LOT OF THEM WERE LIKE C THREES. THEY BROUGHT 'EM DOWN TO C TWOS AND C ONES. OKAY. UM, ANOTHER QUESTION TO BE A C NOW YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR A C TWO, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY A C TWO PARKING. HOW DOES THAT REFLECT WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE? IT IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO THEY'LL PROBABLY BE DEFICIENT AND THEY WOULD EITHER HAVE TO TRY TO GET A VARIANCE EITHER FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR PERHAPS THROUGH AN INTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. OKAY. AND I THINK OUR, OUR CHAIR WAS GONNA ASK THIS, THIS QUESTION, BUT PLANNING RECOMMENDED A COMMUNITY, UH, COMMERCIAL, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YES. WHICH WOULD PERMIT THE, THE REQUESTED C TWO. OKAY. AND FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, YOU GUYS WOULD NOT BE INTERESTED IN A C ONE NA. CORRECT. OKAY. YOU CAN'T DO, I'M SORRY, A C I'M TWO NA, YOU COULD DO A C TWO NA UH, YOU CAN'T DO A C ONE NA. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH, C TWO NA NON-ALCOHOLIC. WE, WE'D LIKE IT TO JUST GO BACK TO WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD, WHICH WAS A C TWO. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW. I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. C AND NONE COMMERCIALS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER BARROS, ARE YOU POINTING OR ARE YOU NO, I, I'LL GO BACK EITHER ONE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT, I'M JUST LOOKING AT PROPER DETAILS. ORIGINALLY WAY BACK. AND THEN IN 2001 IT WENT TO C3 R AND THEN IN 2009 FROM C3 R TO COMMERCIAL RESTRICTED ALCOHOL. THAT'S CORRECT. SO YOU NEVER HAD A C TWO, BUT IT WAS A C3. THAT'S CORRECT. YES, SIR. MM-HMM, . SO IT HAD IT FOR 60 YEARS, SEVEN YEARS TIME. IT'S LIKE SINCE AT LEAST, UH, 80. YES. 1980. AND Y'ALL WERE NOT AWARE OF? NO, NO. I I, I WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT ? WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION, UH, ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO. UM, WE, I, I REACHED OUT TO A FRIEND WHO'S A REALTOR, UH, TO HELP MY DAD, UH, PUT IT ON THE MARKET FOR LEASE. AND HE SAID, OH, MIKE, THIS ISN'T COMMERCIAL. THIS IS RESIDENCE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS RESIDENTIAL? AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS OF TRYING TO PUT IT BACK. I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE HISTORIC USE THAT I, UNDER MY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THIS WAS COMMERCIAL. I LEARNED THAT IT WAS C TWO, BUT IF IW IF I AM WRONG, I'M NOT TRYING TO ASK, ASK FOR ANYTHING THAT IT WASN'T PRIOR. I'M, I'M JUST HOPING TO PUT IT BACK TO COMMISSIONER THE WAY IT WAS. COMM IS THERE, ARE YOU USING YOUR MICROPHONE? I'M SO SORRY. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, AND SO IF, IF, UM, WE COULD GET CLARITY, I MEAN I, I, I THOUGHT I LEARNED FROM THE CITY THAT IT C TWO ORIGINALLY, BUT IF, IF, UM, IF THE CITY TELLS US THAT THAT WAS NOT THE HI HISTORIC, THE RIGHT HISTORIC DESIGNATION, I KNOW SOME OF THESE CLASSIFICATIONS HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME. UM, WHAT'S BEING, WHAT YOU HAVE REQUESTED IS C TWO HISTOR. WHAT WE HAVE ON THE RECORDS HISTORICALLY IS THAT IT WAS A B THREE R, WHICH IS GENERAL COMMER. IT CONVERTED IN 2001 TO C3 R, WHICH IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL WITH RESTRICTIVE ALCOHOLIC SALES. AH, OKAY. SO C3 R, THE R BEING RESTRICTED NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES CELLS IS THE, IS IS REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE ASKING FOR. THAT IS, OR RATHER, IF IF OUR INTENT IS TO PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE PROPER CLASSIFICATION. CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE YOUR, YOUR DECISION TO MAKE OF, OF COURSE. BUT, BUT THAT IS THE HISTORIC AND IF, IF THAT'S [00:55:01] WHAT THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION WAS, THEN, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. WELL, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING RIGHT NOW. SO THEN THE PROCESS WOULD HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. OKAY. INTERESTING. MAY I ASK WHAT, WHAT IS, SO C3 R IS MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR? WELL THEN I GUESS I'LL, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT C TWO. THAT'S LESS INTENSE THAN WHAT IT WAS HISTORICALLY. MY, MY POINT IS TO PUT IT BACK WHAT IT WAS HISTORICALLY, BUT IF, IF THAT'S TOO MUCH OF ASK THEN LEAVING IT AT C TWO IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. AND MS. VERA, LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION SINCE WE KIND OF FOUND OUT THERE WAS ALREADY RESTRICTIONS ON THERE FOR NON-ALCOHOLIC AND, AND THE BIGGEST THING IS THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ALCOHOLIC CELLS AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE NOT GONNA MAKE A BAR OR SOMETHING, BUT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SELL IT AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR, YOUR MONEY WORTH OF A BAR DOES WANNA BUY IT. BUT SINCE IT WAS RESTRICTED BEFORE, NOW KNOWING THAT, WOULD Y'ALL WANT TO DO A C TWO NA YES. BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. AND STAFF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY COULD JUST STATE NOW THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT IS CORRECT. SORRY. OKAY. OKAY. UH, THEN, THEN ON BEHALF OF MY FATHER, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND OUR REQUEST THAT IT GO TO A C TWO NA NON-ALCOHOLIC IS NON-ALCOHOLIC. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER BARDOS, YOU HAD QUESTIONS. MIKE, WHAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THAT? YOU WANT TO CONVERT THAT INTO A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE OFFICE OR WHAT, WHAT'S THE MAIN GOAL OF THAT? NO, UH, OUR, OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO RENT IT TO A COMMERCIAL OPERATOR. HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN USED BY FOLKS IN THE TRADES. SO CURRENTLY THERE'S A CARPENTER RIGHT NOW WHO DOESN'T PAY HIS RENT REGULARLY . SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET A BETTER CARPENTER THAT PAYS HIS RENT ADEQUATELY. UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, THE, THE VISION. BUT, UM, BUT WE, AND WE, AND IT'S NEVER BEEN A, A PLACE THAT HAS SOLD ALCOHOL. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A, A REALLY A SHOP FOR A, A TRADES PERSON. AND I WILL STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE A TRADES OPER, UH, TRADES BUSINESS IN A C TWO NA. UH, IT HAS TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE TRADES CONTRACTOR OR THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR. THAT TYPE OF USE REQUIRES AN EXTRA DEGREE OF ZONING. OH, I, I'M, I AM SO GLAD YOU'RE HERE. UM, AND WHAT IS THAT ZONING SPECIAL DESIGNATION? IT, IT, IT'S A, IT TAKES A CLASSIFICATION THAT'S ONLY ALLOWED IN A C3 AND IT BRINGS IT DOWN INTO A C TWO, UH, WITH A CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH MAY CAN MAKE IT APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA WITH BUFFERING AND FENCING AND SIGNAGE LIMITATIONS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. BUT, AND IS THAT A DESIGNATION? WE COULD, UM, AMEN. OUR REQUEST THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, START STARTING OVER AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. HMM. AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THE, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH USE YOU'RE GOING WITH, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE A CON A CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD BE A C3, UH, C TWO CD. BUT IF IT'S JUST LIKE FOR HVAC OR ELECTRICAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN IT'S JUST A C TWO S, WHICH IS A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION, BUT THEY STILL WORK THE SAME WAY. LET, LET ME CONFERENCE WITH MY FATHER REAL QUICK. AND SO I'LL JUST JUMP IN. SO THE S WOULD STILL REQUIRE A, UM, REIFICATION YES. IF WE'RE STARTING OVER, A NEW NOTIFICATION WILL BE REQUIRED. COME BACK. SO EITHER S OR CD REQUIRES REIFICATION. IT'S GOING TO A C IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'D BE GOOD WITH A CD EITHER WAY. OKAY. A C TWO CD? YES. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UH, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A SITE PLAN, UM, AN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SO, OKAY. OKAY. UM, IT'S GONNA BE, HE'LL LET US KNOW HOW HE WANTS TO PROCEED, BUT IF HE DOES DECIDE HE NEEDS TO CHANGE THE REQUEST, THEN UM, BASICALLY IT WOULD BECOME A POSTPONEMENT AND THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BACK WHEN ALL OF THE NECESSARY NOTIFICATIONS GO OUT AND MR. AND WE HAVE AN ADEQUATE YES, MR. UH, MR. AL. UH, SHOULD YOU NEED MORE TIME? ONE OTHER POSSIBILITY. [01:00:01] SO WHERE YOU'RE NOT JUST ON THE SPOT HERE MAKING THE DECISION IS TO REQUEST A CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS AND YOU CAN MAKE THAT DECISION IN TWO WEEKS AND, AND EITHER MAKE IT IN TWO WEEKS OR MAKE IT IN THE, IN THE INTERIM TO DETERMINE HOW BEST TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT , IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT. YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? I, I THINK WE, I THINK WE PROBABLY DO WANT TO DO THAT SO WE CAN SPEND MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS ON A SITE PLAN AND YADA YADA YADA. I I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, UM, FOR THE COMMISSION AND, AND THE STAFF. THE, THE, THIS, THIS WHOLE EXPERIENCE IS KIND OF A LITTLE, UH, UNSETTLING. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, MY FATHER PURCHASED THIS BUILDING MANY YEARS AGO. HE THOUGHT HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT PROPERTY HE OWNED AND HIS PROPERTY RIGHTS, AND THEN THEY CHANGED ON HIM. AND APPARENTLY THE, THE NOTICE WENT TO THE SITE ITSELF, NOT HIS RESIDENCE. HE DID, HE WAS NOT AWARE OF THESE CHANGES. HAD, WAS THERE SOMETHING HE COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY? LIKE COULD HE HAVE OBJECTED WHEN THE, WHEN THE CITY PROPOSED CHANGING FROM C3 TO RESIDENTIAL AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE, BUT I BELIEVE THE STAFF WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE NOTICES WERE SENT. I THINK THEY'RE SENT TO WHOEVER WAS ON, IS A BEXAR COUNTY RECORD ADDRESS. CORRECT. WE GO OFF OF BEXAR COUNTY RECORDS. SO WHATEVER IS RECORDED WHEN THEY CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY, THAT MAILING ADDRESS AND INFORMATION IS WHAT, OR IF THEY UPDATE IT, THAT IS WHAT WE UTILIZE WHEN WE SEND OUT THE MAILERS. OKAY. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ESTABLISHED BY LAW. UM, BUT THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND TO CITY COUNCIL AND ANY OTHER PUBLIC MEETING TO OPPOSE. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . AND WE DEFINITELY WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. THE, WHEN, WHEN I THINK OF, JUST AS A, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF POINT THIS OUT AND THAT IS THAT, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE DESIGN THESE PROCESSES, IT'S OFTEN FOLKS LIKE US WHO ARE IN THE ROOM THINKING ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, WE HAVE A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE IN DEALING WITH GOVERNMENTS AND FORMAL PROCESSES, UM, THAT IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF MOST SAN ANTONIANS. AND SO THIS IS VERY COMPLEX AND CONFUSING. UM, AND SENDING OUT A NOTICE THAT STRUCTURES THE CHOICE THAT THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN TO YOU UNLESS YOU SHOW UP TO THIS MEETING OR SEND IN SOMETHING, IS, IS, IS ONE OPTION. ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE IS WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS. THEY WILL STAY THE SAME UNLESS YOU AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD BE CHANGED. , LIKE THERE, THERE'S A CHOICE ARCHITECTURE HERE THAT IS, HAS BEEN DESIGNED AND IT HAS MAYBE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE ON PROPERTY OWNERS LIKE MY FATHER WHO AREN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH THESE KIND OF BODIES AND PROCESSES. UM, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON HIM, BUT I ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S MOST SAN ANTONIANS. AND, AND SO I, I GUESS I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, UH, AND, AND YOUR DIRECTION ON THIS. UM, THIS IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LIKE, WE HAD TO, MY FATHER HAD TO PAY THE CITY $2,000 TO JUST BEGIN THE DIALOGUE OF GETTING HIS PROPERTY RIGHTS BACK. AND NOW WE PROBABLY HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON SITE PLANS AND THIS AND THAT TO TRY TO PUT IT BACK TO WAY IT WAS. I WILL JUST, UH, CORRECT ONE THING, PLEASE. THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE STILL THERE. SO UNDER A NON-CONFORMING USE, THAT ACTIVITY COULD CONTINUE AS LONG AS IT WAS FOUND NOT TO CEASE FOR 12 MONTHS. SO IF YOU SAY THERE'S BEEN A CONTRACTOR IN THERE, THEY GET A NON-CONFORMING USE, THEY CAN CONTINUE. SO THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE STILL THERE. AND WHEN HE SELLS HIS PROPERTY, HE CAN SELL THOSE PROPERTY RIGHTS. THE NEXT, THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL CAN APPLY FOR NON-CONFORMING. AS LONG AS THE, UH, SO HE CAN, HE CANNOT SELL THOSE PROPERTY RIGHTS. HE LOSES 'EM. THE NEW OWNER HAS TO REAPPLY, TAKE HIS CHANCES WITH A NEW, SO THIS IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS PARTICULAR CONVERSATION, AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UH, SPEAK TO YOU AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, UH, WHATEVER ACTION'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE, THE ZONING COMMISSION. BUT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE STILL THERE. ANY TRANSACTIONS AFTER THAT WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT. BUT YEAH, SO THE REQUEST AT HAND RIGHT NOW [01:05:01] IS R SIX TO C TWO AND A, UH, UNLESS YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOME OTHER GUIDANCE, I, UM, APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR EXPERTISE. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THAT'S A VERY NARROW DEFINITION OF PROPERTY RIGHTS. IF YOU DON'T REALLY OWN SOMETHING, IF YOU CAN'T SELL IT, RIGHT. WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS REALLY GRANDFATHERING. AND, AND I THINK WE KNOW THAT WITH THAT CONDITION, WHEN YOU GO TO THE MARKET TO SELL YOUR PROPERTY, THERE'S, THERE'S A HIT THAT YOU TAKE, YOU HAVE AN ECONOMIC HARM BY HAVING THAT PUT ON YOUR PROPERTY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS ABOUT ZONING. WE'RE HAPPY TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH YOU AND YOUR FATHER. JUST TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PROPERTY AND WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE, UM, FOR NEITHER NON-CONFORMING USE OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF PROJECT. YOU DON'T WANNA DO IT RIGHT NOW? NO, SIR. I'M JUST PLAYING WITH YOU. NO, SIR. I'M JUST JOKING. , I, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I'LL TAKE YOU UP ON THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, I, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD, UM, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A CONTINUANCE SO THAT WE CAN FURTHER CONSIDER THIS AND MEET WITH STAFF AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT OPTION IS. OKAY. WE WILL, WE WILL LOOK AT THAT. UM, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UM, BUT I DO WANNA SAY THAT, THAT USUALLY WHEN, WHEN LARGE AREA REZONINGS HAPPEN, IT'S BECAUSE THE, UM, THE LOCAL CITY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS INITIATED THAT PROCESS. AND SO THAT'S USUALLY BASED ON REQUESTS FROM NEIGHBORHOODS AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALS. SO, SO THERE IS, THEY DON'T JUST LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE OUR CITY STAFF DECIDING KIND OF, HEY, WE'RE JUST GONNA REZONE THIS. IT'S USUALLY BROUGHT FORTH TO THEM FOR THEM TO INVESTIGATE THE, THE, THE PROCESS AND, AND BEGIN THE PROCESS. BUT USUALLY IT'S THE REPRESENTATIVES WHO START ALL OF THAT, OR I THINK IT HAS TO START WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES. IT DOES HAVE TO START FROM THE CITY COUNCIL REQUEST. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED. AND ALSO, UH, STAFF HOLDS PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN THEIR AREA. YEAH. TO INFORM THEM OF WHAT THE LARGE AREA REZONING IS PROPOSED TO DO. AND WE'RE, AND I KNOW THE CITY IS ALWAYS WORKING TO IMPROVE PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS WITH THE NEW UDC THAT WE ADOPTED. OH, WAS IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO? I GUESS IT WAS, WE HAD OUTREACH TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS NOW REQUIRED. SO THERE'S ALWAYS THAT IMPROVEMENT. BUT I WENT OFF TOO LONG TOO. SO BACK TO YOU. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. SORRY. UH, YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO WELL, UH, MR. MARIA, JUST, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CURRENTLY AT THE RIVERSIDE. UH, WE LOVE TO HAVE COMMUNITY SUPPORT, SO IF YOU DEFINITELY WANNA REACH OUT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, THAT WOULD BE A BIG PLUS. JUST THROW IT OUT THERE. BUT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS SO WE CAN REVISIT THIS. YES, THAT'S FINE. UM, I, I WILL JUST SAY THAT IF IT IS A RESTART, UM, HE WILL HAVE, IT WILL NOT COME BACK ON THE, ON THAT DATE. IT WILL BE LISTED AS A POSTPONEMENT UNTIL WE CAN GET PROPER NOTIFICATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE IS A MOTION TO CONTINUE FOR TWO WEEKS. I'D BE HAPPY TO SECOND THAT SIR. AND COMMISSIONER BARTOS IS HAPPY TO SECOND THE MOTION. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? ANYMORE DISCUSSION? LOOKING LEFT. SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. MOTIONS FOR A CONTINUANCE. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER HUEY. AYE. COMMISSIONER, WHAT UP? YES. COMMISSIONER CHASE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASSES FOR A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE. ALRIGHT, WELL WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THE [Approval of Minutes  ] LAST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, UM, MINUTES IF I'M CORRECT. SO I WANNA ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR ANY CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. ANYONE ALL NEXT MOTION. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. . SECOND. ALRIGHT. IS THAT YOU? THAT WAS YOU. COMMISSIONER REYES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH A SECOND BY, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, SORRY. MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REYES. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. HEARING NONE. [Director’s Report  ] DO WE HAVE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? YES. JUST ONE LITTLE SAD BIT OF INFORMATION. WHAT, UM, I WILL [01:10:01] BE GONE FOR A LITTLE BIT. UH, YOU HAVE BEEN SEEING ME HOBBLE AROUND HERE FOR A WHILE NOW AND IT TURNS OUT THAT IT'S SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE SERIOUS THAT I NEED HELP WITH. SO WHAT I WILL TO BE CONTINUED, UH, BUT KELLY WILL BE HERE AND MERKO WILL BE JOINING HER TO HELP YOU GUYS THROUGH THESE, UH, MEETINGS. AND OF COURSE MELISSA WILL BE HERE. SO. SO CHRISTY, IS THAT A CONTINUING OF FOUR WEEKS? ? I WISH. I WISH IT'S MORE LIKE A SIX TO EIGHT WEEK CONTINUANCE. . WELL, I THINK WE CAN APPROVE A SIX TO EIGHT WEEK CONTINUANCE, BUT POSTPONEMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED. ALRIGHT, WELL WITH THAT MR. CHAIR, QUICKLY. OH, SORRY. JUST, YOU KNOW, MAY YOU GET BETTER QUICKLY AND HAPPY RECOVERY AND YES. GET SOME REST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE ALWAYS DO ZOOM, . YEAH, THERE WE GO. WEBEX, BACK TO WEBEX. WELL, GOOD. TOLD THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THAT THEY WERE GONNA WHEEL IN THE MEETING SO I COULD WATCH IT FROM MY HOSPITAL ROOM. , , YOU'LL GET REST THAT WAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, THE TIME IS TWO 15 IN THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.