May 15, 2024 Historic and Design Review Commission

[3:00 PM – Call to Order]

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GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING, THE START DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 15TH, 2024.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? HERE.

S SAVINO VELAZQUEZ.

HERE.

GALLOWAY.

HERE.

MOOKA.

HERE.

GIDA.

HERE.

GROUP.

HERE.

CERVANTES.

HERE.

HOLLAND.

FETZER HERE.

AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU.

MAY I HAVE SOMEONE FOR TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? THANK YOU.

THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FESSOR.

IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE STORY DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.

AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.

AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPING CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN DOUBTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.

IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.

CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.

SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING TESTIMONY.

ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMITS.

PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.

CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.

AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC RESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.

THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS, UM, UP ON THE SCREEN, RACHEL HAS, UM, A WEBSITE.

IT'S SA SPEAKUP.COM/PRESERVATION MONTH 2024.

UM, I HIGHLIGHTED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I JUST WANT TO, UH, TOUCH BASE ON THIS AGAIN.

WE HAVE A FEW MORE EVENTS COMING UP IN CELEBRATION OF PRESERVATION MONTH, UH, IN THE MONTH OF MAY.

UM, THE NEXT IS TOMORROW ON THURSDAY, WE HAVE A LUNCHTIME LECTURE BY OUR OWN JESS ANDERSON.

RAISE YOUR HAND JESS.

UM, THIS IS A GREAT, UH, KIND OF LUNCH AND LEARN ON HOW TO BECOME A CITIZEN HISTORIAN, HISTORIAN.

IT'S ALL ABOUT, UM, HISTORIC PROPERTY RESEARCH AND FREE TOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR, OUR LOCAL LIBRARIES AND OTHER ONLINE RESOURCES.

AND SO, UH, REGISTRATION IS FREE.

UM, ANYBODY CAN PARTICIPATE, UM, WATCH SOME OR ALL OF THIS LECTURE.

UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE REALLY, UM, INTERACTIVE, SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE.

UM, AND SO MAKE SURE TO, UH, CHECK THAT ONE OUT.

AND THEN IF YOU CAN SCROLL A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

RACHEL, GO DOWN TO, UM, NEXT TUESDAY ON MAY 21ST IN THE AFTERNOON.

UH, WE ARE CO CO-HOSTING AN EVENT WITH OUR FRIENDS AT PORT PAL AND CARS AND ARCHITECTS.

UM, IT'S HERITAGE AND HORIZONS WOMEN AND PRESERVATION.

IT'S A LECTURE AND PANEL DISCUSSION ON THE LEGACY AND FUTURE OF WOMEN AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

UM, THAT'LL BE LOCATED AT THE CULTURE COMMONS GALLERY AT PLAZA ARMES, UH, BEHIND CITY HALL.

UM, AND THAT IS AGAIN, FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UM, AND FEATURING OUR OWN STAFF, SHANNON MILLER, OUR DIRECTOR.

UM, SO BE SURE TO VISIT THE WEBSITE.

AGAIN, THAT'S ESSAY SPEAKUP.COM, UH, SLASH PRESERVATION MONTH 2024, WHERE I'M SURE IF YOU GOOGLE SAN ANTONIO PRESERVATION MONTH, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND THIS INFORMATION.

UH, BE SURE TO CHECK IT OUT.

UM, AND THEN FROM

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THANK YOU.

MAY I HAVE A, UM, MOTION FOR

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I'D LIKE TO APPROVE, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 1ST, 2024.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.

VELAZQUEZ AYE.

GALLOWAY AYE.

ZUKA AYE.

DIVA AYE.

GROUP.

AYE.

CERVANTES? YES.

FETZER.

AYE.

AND GIBBS.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]

UM, WE HAVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

THERE'S SIX ITEMS. THEY'RE UP ON THE SCREEN.

UM, AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THOSE ITEMS, UM, BEGINNING WITH VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM FOUR.

UH, I, UM, UM, MARTY BARTON RIVERA CALLING IN REGARD TO THE, UM, HEARING OR START PRESERVATION BOARD FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1943 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE.

UM, I WOULD SIMPLY LIKE TO TALK TO YOU.

I CANNOT BE AT THE HEARING.

I HAVE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT THEN, AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME INPUT IN SUPPORT OF THE NEW OWNER'S, UM, RENOVATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO GIVE ME A CALL BACK AT TWO ONE ZERO THREE EIGHT.

UH, YES, UH, MY NAME IS JOSEPH RIVERA.

I AM A RESIDENT AT 1947 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE, AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBOR, UM, WHO'S, WHO LIVES NEXT DOOR AT 1943.

UM, AND, UM, THEY'RE DOING, UM, A HEARING ON SOME OF THE, UH, UPDATES THAT SHE'S MAKING ON THE HOME.

AND I WANTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF SPEAK UP ON HER BEHALF.

EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN PEOPLE, I GUESS, WHO'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES HE'S BEEN MAKING TO US.

UM, THEY'RE ALL WITHIN THE, UH, SPIRIT OF WHAT IS THERE ALREADY, AND IT'S CERTAINLY AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WAS THERE.

UM, THE GARAGE WAS FALLING DOWN, HAD NO CHOICE EXCEPT TO REBUILD IT.

THANKS.

BYE-BYE.

HI, MY NAME IS JULIA CAMPBELL.

I LIVE, UM, AT 1938 WEST SUMMIT.

SO, UM, KIND OF DIAGONALLY ACROSS FROM A PROPERTY AT 1943 WEST SUMMIT.

AND I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN, I GUESS, SOME ISSUES WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE, THE NEW OWNER HAS BEEN MAKING.

HER NAME IS TESSIE AND I WANTED TO VOICE MY OPINION AND APPROVAL OF EVERYTHING THAT SHE'S BEEN DOING.

UM, THE HOUSE WAS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.

THE PREVIOUS TENANT FOR THIS OWNER, UM, THE HOUSE WAS USED FOR A BUNCH OF DRUG ADDICTS.

IT WAS HELL ON EARTH LIVING ACROSS FROM THAT HOUSE FOR PROBABLY ABOUT THREE YEARS.

AND TESSIE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THAT WHOLE ISSUE GOT CLEARED UP.

TESSIE CAME IN AND BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND HAS BEEN DOING IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF.

I THINK IT'S BEEN, UM, AND ANY IMPROVEMENT IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT THAT HOUSE WAS, BOTH, YOU KNOW, VISUALLY, STRUCTURALLY, AND, UH, TENANT WISE.

SO WHATEVER TESSIE'S BEEN DOING, SHE'S BEEN IMPROVING THE BLOCK, IMPROVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY SUPPORT, UM, THAT SHE IS GOING TO BE AN ASSET TO OUR BLOCK.

I'M, YOU KNOW, BEYOND EXCITED THAT THOSE PREVIOUS TENANTS HAVE SINCE MOVED ON AND, UM, YOU KNOW, NO LONGER SCORE ON THE, ON THE BLOCK.

SO, YEAH.

AGAIN, UM, IF HE HAS ANY ISSUES OR PROBLEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO ME OR YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER NEIGHBORS, BUT, UH, MY NUMBER IS HI TESSIE, THIS IS MARIE COOPER WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU AT 1940 WEST SUMMIT.

I WANT TO REITERATE THAT I AM HAPPY TO HAVE YOU AS MY NEIGHBOR.

I TRULY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN TAKING ON SUCH A CHALLENGING PROJECT AND WITH SO MUCH INTEGRITY, IT WILL DEFINITELY HELP IN BRINGING BACK OUR WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU, TESSIE.

YES.

MY NAME IS MARTHA BARTON RIVERA.

MY ADDRESS IS 1947 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE, AND I AM CALLING TO SUPPORT THE IMPROVEMENTS BEING DONE AT 1943 WEST SUMMIT.

THE HEARING IS THIS WEDNESDAY, THE 15TH OF MAY.

I DO NOT KNOW THE ITEM NUMBER.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT HAVING LIVED NEXT DOOR TO THAT HOUSE FOR 34 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN DISCOURAGED TO SEE IT IN THE STATE IT'S BEEN IN.

THE NEW OWNER IS DOING EVERYTHING SHE CAN

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THE GARAGE, HOWEVER, WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO SAVE.

THE ROOF HAD CAVED IN.

THE BEAMS WERE ROTTEN, THE SUPPORT COLUMNS WERE ROTTEN.

THERE WERE NO DOORS.

VAGRANTS HAD BEEN USING IT AS A BATHROOM.

THERE WAS NOTHING THERE TO SAVE.

AND SHE'S DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB OF PUTTING UP A STRUCTURE THAT FITS WITH THE HOUSE THAT WILL BE PAINTED THE SAME COLOR AS THE HOUSE, AND LOOKS JUST BEAUTIFUL.

WE SUPPORT HER WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

THANK YOU.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 67 19 43 SUMMON AVENUE.

MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DR.

DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MPNA AND THE 10 MEMBER MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.

WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR WANTING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTY.

WE NOTE THE DEMOLITION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS COMPLETED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

AND THE NEW FRAME AND FOUNDATION FOR THE PROPOSED GARAGE IS UNPERMITTED.

THE SETBACK OF THE NEW GARAGE DOES NOT MEET THE CITY'S UDC SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

THE PROPOSED NINE FOOT PLATE HEIGHT AND ROOF PITCH OF THE NEW GARAGE DOMINATE THE REMAINING DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

IT'S EXCESSIVE AND INTRODUCES A THIRD ROOF PITCH ON THE PROPERTY.

NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD SEEK TO COMPLIMENT THE EXISTING ROOF PITCHES.

WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ASK FOR THE INCLUSION OF A STIPULATION FOR THE ROOF PITCH AND PLATE HEIGHT TO BE LOWERED AND FOR ANY NEW SIDING AND ROOF MATERIALS TO MATCH THE MAIN HOME.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.

HI, MY NAME IS SANDY VIAL AND I LIVE AT, UM, 2 75 NORTH DRIVE IN MONTICELLO PARK.

I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF 1943 WEST SUMMIT.

THE HEARING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO OCCUR ON THE 15TH OF MAY TOMORROW.

UH, MY AUNT LIVED AT THIS ADDRESS, 1943 WEST SUMMIT.

AND, UM, WHEN SHE DIED, HER DAUGHTER, MY COUSIN, UH, DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY.

SO SHE WOULD, SHE WOULD RENT ROOMS TO PEOPLE OFF THE STREET.

AND LO AND BEHOLD, THEY LEFT IT A TOTAL WRECK.

SINKS WERE MISSING.

UH, THE BACK, UH, GARAGE WAS, UH, I THINK THE ONE IN QUESTION.

THERE WERE DRUGS BACK THERE, THERE WERE NEEDLES BACK THERE.

PEOPLE WERE HAVING SEX, THERE WERE CONDOMS BACK THERE.

IT WAS JUST HORRIBLE.

THE WHOLE HOUSE WAS DEPLORABLE.

NEIGHBORS COULDN'T EVEN GO OUT IN THEIR BACKYARD.

MY COUSIN, UH, ONE OF THE DAUGHTERS RENTED A HUGE, HUGE, UH, TRAILER, ONE OF THOSE DUMP TRUCKS, AND IT WAS FILLED FROM THE STUFF IN THE GARAGE FROM THAT BACK ROOM, FROM THE HOUSE, IT WAS FILLED TO THE BRIM.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I FEEL FOR THIS NEW OWNER, I LIVE IN MONTICELLO PARK, SO I KNOW HOW STRICT YOU GUYS CAN BE, BUT THAT, THAT BACK, THAT BACK PLACE NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED.

THERE'S, IT'S STILL THIS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OF HER CREWS TO BE S YES.

UH, MR. TRIM, I'LL BE RECUSING OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX, BUT I'LL STEP OUT FOR THE WHOLE AGENDA.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ONE MOMENT, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR PE HAS LEFT THE ROOM.

YES, SIR.

OKAY, GO AHEAD, SIR.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR THE ITEMS LISTED.

SECOND ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BEING ITEM 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX SECOND.

UM, IT'S BEEN MOVED PROPERLY.

SECOND, UH, JUST ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

Y YES SIR, I'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, NOTE THAT, UH, UH, I APPRECIATE STAFF'S POSITION ON THE ITEM FOUR, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO KINDA MAKE A NOTE THAT, UM, UH, THAT APPRECIATION THAT STAFF LOOKS AT A, AT A CIRCUMSTANCE, UM, MAKES A, A DECISION, OF COURSE,

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UM, BUT THAT, UH, THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE DO, UH, UH, MAKE NOTE OF, OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, UH, DO ENABLE A PROPERTY OWNER.

I NOTED IN, IN, IN SOME OF THE FINDINGS LANGUAGE THAT BA THAT, THAT SPEAKS ABOUT BALANCING THE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THE INTENT OF, UH, THE PRESERVATION.

UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NOW? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

CASTILLO.

AYE.

VELAZQUEZ? AYE.

GALLOWAY? AYE.

ZUKA.

AYE.

GUEVARA AYE.

GROUP.

AYE.

CERVANTES? YES.

HOLLAND.

AYE.

AND GIBBS AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

IF YOU ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 400 EAGLE LAND DRIVE, 1 39 THORA 88 0 1 SOUTH FLORES, 1943 WEST SUMMIT, 2 27 WEST WOODLAWN, OR 1301 EAST EL MAYRA, YOUR REQUEST HAS BEEN APPROVED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING.

YOUR CASE MANAGER WILL REACH OUT WITH YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITHIN 10 BUSINESS DAYS.

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SO WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ITEM EIGHT, PLEASE.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HGRC.

CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 180 3.

ADDRESS IS 3 25 EAST LOCUST.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE REAR CMU ADDITION.

TWO.

CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR ADDITION.

THREE.

MODIFY THE STRUCTURES FENESTRATION PATTERN FOUR, MODIFY THE FRONT PORCH.

FIVE, MODIFY THE EXISTING ROOF FORM AND MATERIALS AND REMOVE THE REAR CHIMNEY.

SIX.

INSTALL REAR PARKING SEVEN.

MODIFY THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE STAFF'S.

RECOMMENDATIONS ITEM ONE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E.

ITEM TWO.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, THE PROPOSED REAR EDITION AT THIS TIME.

WHILE THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT MAY BE APPROPRIATE, THE DESIGN DOES NOT CONFORM WITH GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF SUBORDINATION AND DISTINCTION FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.

ITEM THREE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D AND FINDING Q WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.

ONE THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINED THE HISTORIC WINDOW OPENINGS FOUND ON THE EAST ELEVATION.

ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED FRONT PORCH ALTERATIONS WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ONE, THAT THE COLUMNS BE NO WIDER THAN SIX INCHES.

FEATURE SANFORD CORNERS IN A TRADITIONAL BASIN CAP TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT OR THAT THE EXISTING ROOF FORM REMAINS AN ALTERED.

THIS IS SHOWN ON THE UPDATED FRONT ELEVATION, BUT IS ABSENT ON THE PROPOSED EAST ELEVATION DRAWINGS AND WEST ELEVATION DRAWINGS.

THREE.

THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE FULLY WOOD AND MEET STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.

ITEM FIVE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW ROOF CONFIGURATION MATERIALS AND REAR CHIMNEY REMOVAL.

EXISTING ROOF FORMS, INCLUDING THE ORIGINAL HIP MASS ON THE EAST ELEVATION SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND REMAIN DISTINGUISHED FROM ANY PROPOSED ADDITIONS.

REMOVING THE HISTORIC BUILDING'S REFORM DOES NOT CONFORM TO GUIDELINES.

THE EXISTING MATERIALS INCLUDE A PRESSED METAL SHINGLE, WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND SHOULD BE REPAIRED IN KIND, WHERE PRESENT EXISTING CHIMNEYS SHOULD BE PRESERVED IN PLACE.

ITEM SIX, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REAR PARKING BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDING T WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.

ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A PERMEABLE MATERIAL FOR THE PARKING AREA.

AND ITEM SEVEN STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDING U WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.

ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCLUDE PLANTINGS WITHIN THE PROPOSED GRAVEL AREA.

TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS GRAVEL, NOT EXCEEDING TWO INCHES IN SIZE.

AND THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS GRAVEL, NATURAL, AND COLOR.

THE APPLICANT RICARDO MCCULLOUGH IS HERE IN PERSON.

AND THERE'S ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW.

UM, ALSO BEFORE WE BEGIN, BEGIN, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THE FOLLOWING BEFORE THE REQUEST IS HEARD.

AS NOTED IN FINDINGS A THROUGH D AND AS REPRESENTED IN THE SANBORN HISTORIC AERIAL MAPS, THIS FULL VICTORIAN STRUCTURE HAS BEEN HEAVILY MODIFIED THROUGHOUT ITS HISTORY.

HOWEVER, FEATURES SUCH AS THE ORIGINAL PORCH ROOF FORM, CENTRAL DORMER BAY CONFIGURATION, TWO CHIMNEYS, ET CETERA, STILL REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY.

STAFF MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE APPLICANT ON SITE TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL PLANS FOR REPAIR VERSUS DEMOLITION ON FEBRUARY 29TH, 2024.

THE APPLICANT'S MET THE APPLICANT ATTENDED A DRC ON APRIL 9TH, 2024 TO DISCUSS THIS PROJECT IN COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE FOR JEFF ZER, ROLAND MAZUA, AND CTAP COMMISSIONER MICHAEL POLO AND

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THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M RICARDO MCCULLOUGH AND I'M THE PROJECT DESIGNER.

I WAS HERE A COUPLE, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND WE WENT THROUGH SOME, UH, CHANGES ON THE PROPOSED, PARTICULARLY THE FRONT NOVATION AND THE, THE, THE ROOF LINE, THE WAY WE HAD DESIGNED IT TO BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE HAD GONE BACK AND JUST MADE, UH, MINIMUM CHANGES ON THE FRONT.

WE'RE JUST GONNA DO, UH, NEW COLUMNS AND REPLACED THE EXISTING WINDOWS, WHICH IS FOUR OF 'EM.

AND WE WERE REPLACE BY TWO WINDOWS.

BUT BASICALLY LEAVE THE, THE ROOF LINE EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS.

AND JUST WITH THE ADDITION OF THE REAR, WHICH IS GONNA BE A TWO STORY, UH, DUPLEX AT THE BACK.

PRETTY MUCH IT.

IS THAT IT? THAT IT, SIR? MM-HMM, .

THANK YOU.

.

CAN WE LISTEN TO THE VOICEMAILS PLEASE? MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER.

I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN TOBIN HILL.

UH, I'M SPEAKING TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE MAY 15TH, HDRC AGENDA, 3 25 EAST LOCUST STREET.

THIS PROPERTY HAS LONG BEEN A PROBLEM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE GLAD THAT MR. MCCULLOUGH HAS TAKEN ON THE PROJECT TO IMPROVE THE BUILDING AT 3 25 EAST LOCUST.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE MASSING OF THE PROPOSED REAR EDITION WINDOW OPENINGS AND WINDOWS, THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE ROOF, THE CHANGE OF ROOFING MATERIAL, THE REMOVAL OF THE REAR CHIMNEY AND LANDSCAPING, IN PARTICULAR, THE REAR EDITION AND THE ROOF RECONFIGURATION.

WE AGREE WITH THE OFFICE, UH, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF AND BELIEVE THAT THESE DETAILS CAN BE WORKED OUT.

WE THANK BOTH OHP AND MR. MCCULLOUGH FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS PROJECT AND THE HDRC FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU.

DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR? MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UH, UH, JUST TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE DRAWINGS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

THERE'S A DRAWING THAT SAYS SLIDE CREATED BY OHP STAFF.

IT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UM, 'CAUSE IT'S CONFUSING RIGHT? ME IN TERMS OF THE TWO STORY.

DOES, DOES THAT DRAWING MEAN THAT STAFF IS PROPOSING? NO.

SO WE, THE, WE REQUESTED THE, UM, EXISTING ELEVATION FOR COMPARISON.

UM, BUT THEY WERE ON DIFFERENT PAGES AND SO WE JUST MADE THIS PAGE SO THAT THEY WERE SIDE BY SIDE SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE DIFFERENCES.

SO WE DID NOT CREATE DESIGNS.

THE DESIGNS WERE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, BUT WE CREATED THIS PAGE THAT SHOWS THEM SIDE BY SIDE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT, THAT HELPS .

MR. CHAIR, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GROUP.

WELL, AND ACTUALLY WELL FIRST TO STAFF ON ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS THE MA THE CHIMNEY.

SO YOU SAID YOU HAD A SITE VISIT WHERE YOU REVIEWED THE CHIMNEYS.

SO WHICH INCLUDES THAT THE BACK CHIMNEY IS ORIGINAL AND SHOULD BE RETAINED BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL CHIMNEYS, RIGHT? THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

BOTH CHIMNEYS.

UM, THE CENTRAL LEE PLACED ONE AND THEN THE SECONDARY ONE, UM, IS ALSO, UM, APPEARS TO BE HISTORIC WITH THE PROPERTY.

SO IN THIS, THEY'RE BOTH REFLECTED OR IS THAT JUST GONNA BE A NEW CHIMNEY BECAUSE IT'S BEING MOVED BECAUSE OF THE ADDITION? SO THE, ACTUALLY THE UPDATED DRAWINGS FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, UM, SHOWS A RETENTION OF THE REAR CHIMNEY.

UM, THE SIDE ADDITIONS HAD NOT BEEN UPDATED, SO THAT EXPLAINS THE, UM, STAFF STIPULATION THAT THE CHIMNEY BE RETAINED AT THE REAR.

UM, BUT THE, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO SHOW, UM, OR AT LEAST FOR STAFF REVIEW, WOULD NEED TO SHOW THE RETENTION OF BOTH CHIMNEYS FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE? THAT ONE.

HOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA MAKE THAT HAPPEN WITH THE, UH, ADDITION OF THE ONE STORY? THE, THE ADDITION OF THE TWO STORIES? YEAH.

THE, THE LOCATION OF THAT, THE REAR CHIMNEY IS IN A PLACE WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO AVOID IT.

SO IT'S, IT IS GOING REMAIN IN PLACE AND WE'RE JUST GONNA WORK AROUND IT.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, THE, AND I JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT STAFF, SOME OF THESE ARE, HAVE SOME STIPULATIONS THAT I FEEL LIKE YOU PROBABLY COULD BE FINE WITH OR YOU'RE FINE WITH SOME OF THOSE STIPULATIONS.

YES.

BUT THE ONE IS PROBABLY ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE ADDITION

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ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION, THE ONE ON THE TOP, SO BASICALLY IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE JUST, IT'S ANOTHER PART OF THE ROOF.

IT, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE, LIKE A TWO STORY STRUCTURE ONLY FROM THE REAR, IT'S GONNA LOOK, OR THE SIDE'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A TWO STORY STRUCTURE.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE CHANGE IN ROOF MATERIALS? WELL, WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO REPLACE THE ROOF MATERIAL.

IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S BEEN PAINTED OVER AND IT'S GOT, UM, BUT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING, THEY HAVE, DON'T WORK ON IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH WILLING TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE STAFF PROPOSES TO DO.

QUESTION ANTES.

YEAH, I I KIND OF MORE TO STAFF FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT.

I KNOW THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET OVER THERE FOR A, A SITE VISIT, UH, BUT WE, THE SCHEDULE'S KIND OF CONFLICTED WITH ALL THE MEMBERS ON HERE.

UM, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD STILL HELP IF WE GOT SOME A SITE VISIT OVER? IF I WERE TO? SURE.

SO A A SITE VISIT, UM, COULD POTENTIALLY BE VERY HELPFUL.

UM, THE, THE, THE, UM, APPROVED MOTION AT LAST EACH YEAR, C'S HEARING WAS FOR A CONTINUANCE RATHER THAN A STIPULATED, UM, DRC SITE VISIT.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT, UH, CHOSE TO COME BACK TODAY.

UM, BUT IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ATTEND A SITE VISIT, DRC, THAT'S CERTAINLY UP TO Y'ALL.

BUT TO BE CLEAR, A SITE VISIT DID HAPPEN.

UM, THE, THE PREVIOUS A VIRTUAL.

OKAY.

SORRY.

RIGHT.

THE REASON I'M ASKING IS SCHEDULE CONFLICTED, BUT IF WE CAN KIND OF WORK, IF THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN KIND OF WORK EITHER MID-MORNING, EARLY AFTERNOON INSTEAD OF THE USUAL THREE TO, YOU KNOW, SITE VISITS.

IF WE CAN WORK, UH, WORK AROUND THAT.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN FLEX ON? IS IS THE TIME TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE MORE COMMISSIONERS TO, TO GO IF THEY CAN, YES.

UM, IF I, I THINK WE WOULD TRY TO GET CONFIRMATION FROM A GROUP BEFORE WE JUST PICK A TIME, CORRECT? CORRECT.

YES.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

IF YOU COULD FACILITATE THAT, THAT, THAT.

OKAY, GO AHEAD THEN.

I HAVE A MOTION.

ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

OKAY.

AHEAD SIR.

SIR.

UM, AND IF STAFF COULD GO TO THE FLOOR PLAN, LOOKING, LOOKING AT THE BUILDING, IT'S APPARENT THAT IT'S BEEN, IT'S GONE THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES OVER THE COURSE OF A LOT OF TIME, RIGHT? MM-HMM, , WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU'VE DESIGNED THE, THE ROOF, HOW, HOW DOES THE SOLUTION IN YOUR MIND SUPPORT THE HEALTH OF THE STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF QUICKLY REMOVING WATER? LET'S JUST SAY THAT IT'S A METAL ROOF, THE WAY THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED IT.

MM-HMM.

.

UM, BECAUSE LOOKING AT WHAT'S THERE, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S PROBABLY VERY PROBLEMATIC RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT IT IS.

YES.

FLAT.

AND THE, THE ROOF ALTERATION IS PRETTY DRAMATIC.

IS, IS, ARE, ARE THERE STILL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE UNHEALTHY WITH RESPECT TO WATER REMOVAL? OR DO YOU FEEL THAT THE DESIGN THAT, THAT Y'ALL HAVE COME UP WITH IS A MUCH MORE HEALTHY CIRCUMSTANCE FOR THE, FOR THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE? YES.

IT'S GONNA BE A LOT, A LOT HERE, HERE, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS, THAT ADDITION WAS, WAS DONE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT IT WAS, UH, BUILT WITH, UH, CONCRETE BLOCKS AND THEN IT'S GOT A FLAT ROOF ON TOP OF THAT, WHICH IS ROTTEN SO THAT THE WHOLE THING IS GONNA BE DEMOLISHED.

AND THAT'S WHEN THE TWO STORE, WHERE THE TWO STORES ARE GONNA GO WITH THE NEW ROOF ON TOP OF THAT, THAT'S GONNA ENCROACH INTO THE EXISTING ROOF.

ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION.

WHEN, WHEN LOOKING AT THE SECOND FLOOR LEVEL, WAS THERE ANOTHER, AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION WHERE THE BOX IN THE BACK IS ACTUALLY NOT SUBORDINATE BUT TALLER? AND IF THAT'S, IF THAT IS A, UH, SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL TO DISCOVER, WOULD THAT MAKE PRESERVING MORE OF THE EXISTING ROOF LINE? IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE WITH THE DESIGN THAT YOU HAVE TO PRESERVE MORE OF THE REAR ROOF LINE? WELL, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING TO TO, TO RETAIN ANY OF THAT.

IT'S, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A, IT'S A FLAT ROOF AND IT'S ROTTEN IN DIFFERENT PLACES, SO IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED.

BUT, BUT DOES THE, DOES THE SECOND FLOOR INTRUDE INTO THE WOODEN FRAMED PIECE? MM-HMM.

AS WELL OR IS IT JUST ON THE CMU BLOCK SIDE? IT'S GONNA BE ONLY ON THE CMU BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE SLAB.

THE REST, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS SITTING ON PB.

OKAY.

SO THIS, THE, THE, THE TWO STORY EDITION IS GONNA BE ON THE SLAB.

SO THERE, WHAT YOU, YOU DIDN'T DISCOVER ANY, ANY METHOD WHERE THE, LET'S JUST SAY THE REAR, IF IT WAS JUST A GABLE COULDN'T BANG INTO THE SECOND FLOOR AND THAT THE SECOND

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DID Y'ALL EXPLORE THAT AT ALL? NO.

NO, WE DIDN'T.

NO, BECAUSE RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING WE REALIZED THAT THAT PATTERN WAS GONNA HAVE TO BE GONE.

OKAY.

AND IT WAS IF HE, IF HE HAD, UH, A DIFFERENT ROOF SHAPE, IF THEY HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENT WITH A GABLE OR A, OR A, OR A VALUE OR SOMETHING, UH, OR A HIP, WE COULD HAVE HAD CONSIDERED USING IT.

BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S JUST, IT WAS JUST DONE IN A VERY POORLY WAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SIR.

MM-HMM, , I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION TOO BEFORE THE MOTION.

GO AHEAD.

WHAT'S THE PLATE HEIGHT OF THOSE TWO FLOORS? DO WE HAVE THAT ON, ON THE PROPOSED EDITION? IT'S GONNA BE NINE, NINE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND EIGHT FEET ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE, I I'M SORRY.

IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE ORIGINAL.

IS IT NINE FEET? IT'S NINE FEET.

OKAY.

BUT IT'S GOT, RIGHT NOW IT'S GOT A, UH, UH, HOW DO YOU CALL THE HOLDING TILES? UM, HANGING TILES.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU COME IN, IT ACTUALLY FEELS SLOWER.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY, THEY ACTUALLY PUT THROUGH SOME DUCT WORK FOR THE AIR CONDITIONING.

YEAH.

MR. CHAIR, I, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PROPOSE A, I KNOW WE DID THIS LAST TIME AND, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA PROPOSE A CONTINUANCE AND I'LL GIVE MY REASON FOR THAT.

BUT IF I COULD GET A SECOND, I CAN ELABORATE ON DISCUSSION.

LEMME CORRECT THAT CONTINUANCE FOR THE PURPOSE OF A SITE VISIT BY THIS COMMISSION STIPULATING WITH THE SITE VISIT BY THIS COMMISSION.

SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERTY SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK, I KNOW THAT THE, THE APPLICANT'S BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD WITH THE CITY AND STAFF TO TRY AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

THIS IS, THIS IS A BIG CHALLENGE HERE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ADD-ONS TO IT.

YEAH.

AND I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET TO THE ORIGINAL STATE, BUT I THINK, UH, THE APPLICANT IS OWED, UH, UH, UH, OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

AND I KNOW THAT THE SCHEDULE'S CONFLICT LAST TIME.

SO, UH, I WILL MOVE MY SCHEDULE AROUND AND, AND SHIFT THINGS AROUND FOR ME IF I COULD, IF WE COULD, UH, GET THIS GOING AND I WOULD ASK THAT SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WITH EXPERIENCE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS KIND OF SHOW UP AS WELL.

AND I WILL SHIFT MY SCHEDULE TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE BIGGER BRAINS ON THE COMMISSION HERE, MR. CHAIR.

SURE.

GO AHEAD.

UM, I MEAN, I'LL MOTION, BUT I'M JUST NOT IN AGREEMENT TO, UH, DO THIS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, SOMETHING THAT SOME PART OF IT CAN BE CONCEPTUALLY.

I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE, MR. MCCULLOUGH, IS THE TWO STORY ADDITION IN THE BACK AND THE ROOFS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

.

SO YOU TELL US IF A SITE VISIT IS GONNA HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT PART, BUT, UM, IF WE CAN GO TO THE FIRST, THIS IS THE ONE SLIDE, RIGHT? THIS IS ONE SLIDE IS, IT'S THE VISIBILITY BEING, YOU KNOW, THE TRUE STORY JUST NOW DOMINATES.

WHAT'S THE FRONT, WHAT'S THE PART OF THE ORIGINAL, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL THE ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING, BUT LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE IT LESS VISIBLE, I DON'T, I'M ROOF HEIGHTS, YOU'VE PLAYED HEIGHT, YOU'VE ALREADY ADJUSTED.

SO I DON'T SEE IF THAT BEING IT, MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE IT'S THAT ROOF FORM THAT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS MENTIONING.

YOU KNOW, EITHER, YOU KNOW, ATTACHING ANOTHER WAY OR JUST, I KNOW YOU WANNA DO A DUPLEX, BUT, OR FURTHER DOWN, UH, IN THE LOT OR WHAT CAN BE DONE.

BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT IS, THAT'S ONE BIG ISSUE.

AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, THE NEXT ONE, SORRY.

YEAH, I MEAN, SO LET'S JUST SAY FROM NO PROBLEM WITH THE FRONT, WE GO DOWN, WE GO PAST THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE, SO THIS ROOF ON THE EXISTING RIGHT ELEVATION, YOU'RE BASICALLY REMOVING THAT PART, RIGHT? YEAH.

YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE RETAINING, THAT'S THE CHANGE THAT'S ALSO KIND OF, I THINK IS WHAT'S CAUSING A PROBLEM HERE.

AND ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IS THAT ROOF CHANGE THAT YOU'RE MAKING RIGHT THERE.

SO WHEN I THINK IN GENERAL, IT JUST HAS TO BE WITH THAT TWO STORY, NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER THE DEMOLITION OF THE NON-ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOME.

IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT'S BEING MODIFIED ON WHAT'S ORIGINAL RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE TO ADJUST FOR THAT TWO STORY EDITION.

SO, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CONCEPTUAL BECAUSE IT'S A BIG INVESTMENT TO MM-HMM.

COME UP WITH AND, AND YOU WANNA GET YOUR INVESTMENT BACK.

AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DUPLEX ATTACHED TO A ONE FAMILY HOME, RIGHT? WELL, ACTUALLY IT IS GONNA BE TWO, A DUPLEX IN THE FRONT AND A DUPLEX IN THE BACK.

IT'S GONNA BE A, IT WAS GONNA BE A FOURPLEX, FOURPLEX ON A VERY ALREADY SMALL, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HOME THAT WAS MEANT FOR ONE FAMILY.

RIGHT? SO IT'S A HARD PROJECT, BUT I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF A SITE VISIT IS GONNA SOLVE THIS.

UM, I I DO FEEL

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RIGHT.

ALSO THE COMMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, THIS IS THE HARD PART, RIGHT? IT'S YOU WANTED TO ADD A TWO STORY AND THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE ISSUE HERE OF CHANGING THE ROOF.

YEAH.

I MEAN, WE CAN STILL WORK ON IT.

MODIFY THE ROOF.

THE, THE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST.

I MEAN, I THINK MORE THAN A SITE VISIT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO A DRC MEANT, BUT THE, THE FOCUS HAS TO BE THE ALTERATIONS OF THE ROOF AND THE ADDITION BEING SUBORDINATE, LIKE BIGGER THAN THE FRONT HOME.

YEAH.

CORRECT.

WELL, KEEP IN MIND THAT, UH, IF YOU GO TO THE SITE, UH, EITHER ONE, BRIAN, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT OF COURSE YOU ARE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THAT ON, ON SITE, ON, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE A, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

SO IT'S, IT'S, THAT WHOLE SITE IS GONNA BE BLOCKED COMPLETELY ON THE OTHER SIDE.

IT, IT'S ALSO A DUPLEX THAT HAS ALSO A CATO SOMETHING IN AT THE BACK.

SO IT'S ALSO THE ENTIRE SITE.

IT'S SO ALMOST BUILT ON.

SO THIS IS GONNA END UP BEING MORE DISCREET BECAUSE OF THAT, OF THOSE TWO, TWO THINGS.

BUT THE VISIBILITY FROM THE FRONT IS WHAT WORRIES ME.

WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE A TWO STORY HOUSE FROM THE FRONT.

IT'S JUST GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THE, THE ROOF.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT IT IS.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET WITH.

SOMETIMES WE'VE ASKED APPLICANTS IF THERE'S WAY THAT YOU CAN KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, TAKE A PICTURE FROM THE, FROM THE STREET CURB, LITERALLY THE CURB, NOT THE LOT OR ANYTHING.

MM-HMM, .

AND JUST TELL US LIKE HOW MUCH OF THIS ROOF WILL ACTUALLY BE VISIBLE.

I'M SURE IT'S LESS THAN THIS, BUT HOW MUCH IS THE IMPACT OF THAT SECOND STORY ADDITION FROM THE CURB.

FROM THE CURB.

OKAY.

YEAH.

LIKE A VISION LINE SITE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE SOLVED ON THE SITE VISIT AND MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ADD TO, TO THAT.

YEAH, SIR.

UM, THE, THE, THE REAR EXISTING REAR IS GONNA GROW RIGHT? PER YOUR DRAWING, SINCE YOU'RE NOT USING THE SAME FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING FLAT ROOF SECTION.

NO, ACTUALLY WE ARE, IT, IT DOESN'T GROW AT ALL.

NO, WE'RE GONNA USE THE EXACT EXACTLY THE, THE SAME.

THERE'S ONLY ONE A LITTLE BIT, UH, A LITTLE SECTION AS YOU'RE GOING FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THERE'S A LITTLE SECTION THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING ROOF FROM THE BACK TO THE FRONT.

MM-HMM, , THERE'S A, A, A RIGHT, EXACTLY RIGHT THERE, RIGHT WHERE THE CURSOR.

SO YEAH, WE ARE GONNA FEEL THAT.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE, THE, THE ADDITION WOULD BE.

WELL SEE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING.

GETTING TO THE COMMENT ABOUT, UH, THE GOING AND LOOKING AT IT IN PERSON, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING IN PERSON IS YOU, YOU CAN'T GET A BIRD'S EYE VIEW AND THE DRAWINGS GIVE YOU A BIRD'S EYE VIEW.

MM-HMM.

, I THINK ONE WAY TO INTERPRET IS, IS THAT MOST OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, IT WOULD APPEAR, NEEDS TO HAPPEN INSIDE.

AND THAT MEANS THAT OBVIOUSLY SOME OF IT DOESN'T WORK, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO GROW OUT.

BUT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO SOLVE JUST THE TWO LEVEL STRUCTURE, LEAVING THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE OLD HOUSE, WHAT CAN BE WITNESS WITNESSED AS THE OLD HOUSE THAT IT WOULD, IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO THE, THAT COMPARISON OF THE ELEVATION, THAT IS THE PAGE, THE FIRST PAGE THAT STAFF HAS CREATED, SEE THE EXISTING RIGHT ELEVATION THAT'S KIND OF INTACT A DESIGN.

AND WHEN YOU REMOVE, LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE THE FREEZE THAT'S AT THE TOP, THE, THE COPING ABOVE THE WINDOWS OR WHAT, WHATEVER THE TERM IS FOR, FOR THE WOOD BAND, WHEN THAT'S REMOVED, THE ENTIRE HISTORIC INTEGRITY, IS IT, IT IT LEAVES.

IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T CHANGE ANY OF THAT, THEN PERHAPS THE NEGOTIATION OR THE, OR THE MAJOR, UH, UH, GIVE AND TAKE IS IN GREATER, UM, UM, TOLERANCE IN DESIGNING THE HEIGHT OF THE BACK BECAUSE IT IS SUBORDINATED JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO FAR BACK.

BUT, BUT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU GO FROM THE TOP ELEVATION TO WHEN YOU GO FROM STAFFS, UH, WHEN THEY CREATED THE SIDE BY SIDE HERE, WHEN YOU GO FROM THE TOP TO HERE, THERE'S ALMOST NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS AND THIS.

AND THE, THE PEDIMENT OVER HERE, THE GABLE ON THIS SIDE, IT BEGINS TO JUST FLOAT.

SO IT'S NOT RELATED TO ANYTHING ANYMORE.

SO IT SEEMS THAT THAT IN DRAWING FORM, EVEN IF IT WAS A CONTINUANCE OR TO COME BACK AND TO TRY TO PRESERVE THAT ELEVATION AND THEN WORK THAT CORNER PIECE, JUST WORK THAT CORNER PIECE AND, AND THAT THE SOLUTION WOULD MEAN THAT THE CRITERIA WOULD BE PRESERVE AND WORK AS OPPOSED TO TOTALLY CHANGE.

AND, AND IT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE ODD, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND TO SEND SOMEBODY BACK TO THE TABLE, I, I SYMPATHIZE, , UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT

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YEAH.

ACTUALLY THIS UH, IMAGE RIGHT HERE SHOWING THE PROPOSED NEW NEW SITE IS NOT ACCURATE BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE, I UPDATED IT, UH, BUT BRIAN REQUESTED FOR ME TO SEND AN, A DRAWING OF THE EXISTING SITE ELEVATION AND THE PROPOSED, SO WE, I ALTERED, I I RESPECTED THE GABLE AS WELL AS THE HIP, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING.

AND THEN THE, THE MOLDING THAT'S ON TOP.

NO, THAT'S THE, THE REEL FROM WHERE THE CHIMNEY IS, WHICH IS NOT SHOWN ON THE PROPOSED RIGHT THERE BECAUSE IT'S, THAT'S A, A DIFFERENT IMAGE.

WE, WE KEPT THE CHIMNEY FROM THE CHIMNEY TOWARDS THE BACK.

THAT'S WHERE WE ADDED.

RIGHT.

BUT SEE, WHEN YOU, EXACTLY, WHEN YOU FILL IN, YOU LOSE THE OFFSET THAT CREATES THAT IMAGE BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE ROOF LINE.

SO ON THE DRAWINGS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN GOING AND SEEING IN PERSON ON THE DRAWINGS, IF THE DESIGN KEPT THAT, WHICH MEANS YOU LOSE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT NOT, NOT TRYING TO DESIGN IT, BUT JUST TALKING ABOUT PRESERVING WHAT THAT PICTURE SHOWS, IT CHANGES THE SOLUTION.

RIGHT? IT DOES, IT CHANGES THE INSIDE AND THE OUTSIDE.

BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA VISUALLY BE THE CHALLENGE THAT, THAT THIS IS A COMPLETE REMOVAL OF SOMETHING THAT EXISTS.

AND THE SOLUTION SHOULD REALLY BE TO MAINTAIN THE, THE EXISTING INTEGRITY.

AND IT MEANS CHANGING, IT CHANGES THINGS, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT CHANGES, UH, DRASTICALLY.

IT JUST THE FUNCTION CHANGES SLIGHTLY SQUARE FOOTAGE MIGHT CHANGE, BUT BECAUSE I OTHERWISE IT MAY SEEM THAT IT WOULD BE COMPLICATED, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO GET A MAJORITY VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S THAT DRASTIC.

SO IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF GETTING A PAST PROJECT, RIGHT? YEAH.

YEAH.

I WOULD RECOMMEND, AND I KNOW THERE'S A, A MOTION ON THE TABLE, MR. CHAIR, THAT, THAT THERE'S A CONTINUANCE WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND JUST NAIL IT SO THAT YOU CAN DO IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

I DON'T MIND DOING THAT.

THAT'S, I LIKE TO DO THAT .

WELL, WELL IF, IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, UH, UH, WOULDN'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE AND, AND IN THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION, IT COULD INCLUDE A SITE VISIT, RIGHT? THAT THAT IS A MOTION.

THAT IS THE MOTION.

THAT IS A MOTION.

THAT IS THE MOTION.

SO IT WOULD, IT'S STILL A CONTINUANCE MOTION.

YEAH.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

SHERIFF HETZER.

UM, YES.

UH, RACHEL, COULD YOU PUT UP THE, UM, ROOF PLANS, UH, I GUESS DRAWING 31? YEP.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PLAN ON THE NORTH, ON THE TOP OF THIS IS YOUR PROPOSED ROOF PLAN WHERE YOU'RE KEEPING THE GABLE AND THE HIP ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE, CORRECT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO THE DRAWING ON THE BOTTOM, THE SHADED AREA ARE THE PORTIONS OF THE EXISTING ROOF THAT ARE TO BE REMOVED AND THEN RECONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE, UH, TWO STORY ADDITION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, WHAT'S UNFORTUNATE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS PROPOSED ROOF PLAN REFLECTED IN THE ELEVATIONS.

THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S, AND BRANDON TOLD ME THAT WHEN I GOT HERE, SOMETHING HAPPENED WHEN, WHEN I SENT, BECAUSE I DID DRAW IT AND I PUT IT TOGETHER AND I SENT IT TO HIM, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED, I COULD HAVE MADE A MISTAKE OF NOT INCLUDING IT, BUT IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DRAWN.

THAT'S GREAT.

'CAUSE THAT'S GREAT.

SO I WOULD, UH, REQUEST THAT YOU BRING THOSE DRAWINGS WITH YOU TO THE, UH, SIDE VISIT.

OKAY.

UM, AND I'LL MAKE, UH, AN EFFORT TO BE THERE AS WELL.

UM, IF IT'S NEXT, SAY NEXT WEDNESDAY, ANYTIME IN THE MORNING.

UH, BUT LET'S, Y'ALL CAN FIGURE OUT A TIME THAT'S CONVENIENT FOR MORE COMMISSIONERS.

NICHOLAS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.

VELAZQUEZ? AYE.

GALLOWAY AYE.

ZUKA AYE.

EVA AYE GROUP.

AYE.

CERVANTES? YES.

HOLLAND.

AYE.

FETZER AYE.

AND GIBBS AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER NINE.

ITEM NINE ON THE AGENDA, HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 4 4 700 NORTH ST.

MARY'S STREET.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL OF A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN AT 700 NORTH ST.

MARY'S LOCATED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICT

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WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING SIGNS FOR MULTIPLE TENANTS.

ONE, ONE FACE LIT CHANNEL LETTER SIGNED, MOUNTED ON A BACKER PANEL TO FEATURE AN OVERALL WIDTH OF 40 FEET AND AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF 12 FEET FOR TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 480 SQUARE FEET.

THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TWO LOCATIONS FOR THIS SIGN, BOTH ON THE NORTH FACADE AT THE PRIMARY ROOF PARAPET LEVEL, APPROXIMATELY 230 FEET ABOVE STREET LEVEL.

THESE TWO OPTIONS ARE IDENTIFIED AS A 1.1 AND A 1.2 TENANT, ONE IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS TWO ONE FACE LIT CHANNEL LETTER SIGN MOUNTED ON A BACKER PANEL TO FEATURE AN OVERALL WIDTH OF 40 FEET AND AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF 12 FEET.

FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 480 SQUARE FEET, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TWO LOCATIONS FOR THE SIGN, BOTH ON THE EAST FACADE AT THE PRIMARY ROOF PARAPET LEVEL, APPROXIMATELY 230 FEET ABOVE STREET LEVEL.

THESE OPTIONS ARE IDENTIFIED AS A 2.1 AND A 2.2 TENANT TWO IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS THREE ONE FACE LIT CHANNEL LETTER SIGN MOUNTED ON A BACKER PANEL TO FEATURE AN OVERALL WIDTH OF 40 AND AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF SEVEN FEET FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 280 FEET.

THIS SIGN WILL BE LOCATED ON THE NORTH FACADE APPROXIMATELY 70 FEET ABOVE STREET LEVEL.

THIS SIGN IS IDENTIFIED AS A THREE TEN THREE IN THE APPLICATION.

FOUR ONE FACE LIT CHANNEL LETTER SIGN MOUNTED ON A BACKER PANEL TO FEATURE AN OVERALL WITH A 32 FEET AND AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF FIVE FOOT SEVEN AND A QUARTER INCHES FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 148 SQUARE FEET.