* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD MORNING [9:00 AM – Call to Order] EVERYONE. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER 17TH, THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IN IT. DID YOU NEED COURT? I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU THE DATE. I THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THE DATE. MAY 17TH. ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JUAN CHAIRWOMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JASON VASQUEZ. CHAIRWOMAN, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL FIRST BEFORE THE CHAIRMAN STATEMENT. YEP. YES, MA'AM. YES, SIR. FLORES ARD. HERE. SETZER. HERE. FULLERTON? HERE. P*****K SMITH. HERE. VASQUEZ PRESENT. AND VELA PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. AND I WILL ALSO ASK OUR, UM, TRANSLATION SERVICES TO COME UP AND MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, PLEASE. YES. THANK YOU AGAIN. THE COMPLIANCE AND TECH TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JUAN CHAIRWOMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JASON VASQUEZ. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICANTS APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND LANDMARKS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SCIENCE GUIDANCE STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN AN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED CODE DEVELOPMENT CODE, IF ANY. PRESENT. PRESENT. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM OR TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT. SPEAKERS FOR THE OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE, THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THIS OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, WILL YOU PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES? MORNING EVERYBODY. UM, WE ARE FIGURING OUT AN ISSUE. I HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT SOON. UM, THE [Approval of Minutes] FIRST ITEM IS MEETING MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS HEARING. IF WE COULD HAVE A MOTION AND ACTION ON THAT. MADAM CHAIR. I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS DISTRIBUTED IN SECOND WE'LL TAKE ROLL CALL REGARD. UH, YES. AYE. SET SIR? AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND VEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, THE FIRST TWO ITEMS ARE [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] BOTH ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA TODAY. UM, WE DO HAVE ONE IN-PERSON, SPEAKER, AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THOSE ITEMS. SO WE WILL GO THROUGH THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS NOW. UM, STARTING WITH ITEM ONE, MICKEY CONRAD. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MICKEY CONRAD. I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. UM, WE MET WITH THE OWNER, UH, AFTER THE LAST, UH, C TTAB MEETING WHEN THE WORK WAS DENIED [00:05:01] TO REVIEW HER PROPOSED REMEDY TO THE STONE PLANTER BOXES. UM, WE TOLD HER AND WROTE A, A LETTER THAT WE COULD NOT SUPPORT HER CHANGE. UH, THE FACT THAT THE PLANTER BOXES WERE CONSTRUCTED AND SIMPLY COVERING THEM WITH ANOTHER MATERIAL WOULD NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE ADDED TO AND THEY CHANGED THE CHARACTER OF THAT HOUSE. THERE ARE FOUR HOUSES ADJACENT TO ONE ANOTHER IN THAT BLOCK OF, UH, 500 WICKS, UM, SIMILAR IN CHARACTER AND LANDSCAPE. AND SO WHAT IS WHAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THAT HOUSE. UM, AND THE GUIDELINES CLEARLY SAY NOT TO ADD ANYTHING THAT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE STREETSCAPE AND THE HISTORIC HOUSE. UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE, WE'RE OPPOSED TO THE ADDITION OF THESE STONE WALLS AND PLANTERS. UM, A TECHNICAL ISSUE REGARDING THE PLANTERS UP AGAINST THE HOUSE. SHE'S PUTTING A MASONRY MATERIAL UP AGAINST THE WOOD SKIRT. THAT WOOD SKIRT WILL ROT IN NO TIME. UH, AND SO THERE'S A TECHNICAL PROBLEM WITH THAT. IN ADDITION TO NOT INSTALLING ANY FOUNDATION VENTS, AGAIN, UH, THESE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT FREQUENTLY. A LOT OF RE RENOVATIONS, THEY ELIMINATE THE FOUNDATION VENTS UNDER THESE HOUSES, AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE HOUSES. BUT IN ANY CASE, UM, WE'RE WE'RE CURIOUS AS TO WHY THE STAFF REVERSED THEIR OPINION. THEY WERE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO IT AT THE LAST APPLICATION. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE SUPPORTING, UH, THESE PLANNERS. AND, UM, IT'S JUST CURIOUS TO US WHAT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED OTHER THAN THE PLASTER, UH, AND CHANGED IN THE TWO APPLICATIONS. SO, UM, WE'RE HERE TO OPPOSE APPROVAL, UH, OF THIS WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I, I GUESS I WILL QUICKLY CLARIFY THAT THE APPLICATION WAS REVISED TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF BOTH THE PLANTERS AT THE HOUSE AND THE PLANTERS AT THE, UM, THE STREET SIDEWALK. UM, SO AT THE STREET SIDEWALK, IT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A LOW CURB THAT IS, UH, CLAD AND STUCCO. AND THEN AT THE HOUSE IT IS GOING TO EXPOSE THE SKIRTING. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE A DETAIL FOR VENTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IF THAT'S A CONCERN. UM, AND THEN WE DO HAVE, I, I WILL LEAN ON THE CHAIRWOMAN TO, TO CONTINUE TO HEAR COMMENTS AT THIS POINT. JUST WANT TO ADD THE DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED OR VERY SKETCHY. I MEAN, THEY TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS AND THEY JUST SCRIBBLED SOME HIGHLIGHT LINES ON IT AND DIDN'T DEFINE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO. AND SO THE REDUCTION IN HEIGHT WAS NOT CLEAR AT ALL IN THE APPLICATIONS. UH, SO THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE DETAILS, UH, TO DEFINE THE WORK IF IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM TWO. HELLO, MY NAME IS RIE ES AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE DIG WI HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 180, LOCATED AT 5 0 4 NORTH HACKBERRY STREET. THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME THAT THE DITY ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS HAD TO REVIEW AND COMMENT ON THIS CASE FROM HDRC TO CTA TO BOA, BACK TO CTA. THIS APPLICANT HAS SHOPPED HIS JOB TO ANYONE HE THOUGHT MIGHT APPROVE THE DAMAGE HE HAD ALREADY DONE TO THE WINDOWS AND FENESTRATION OF THIS HOUSE. THE DISPOSAL OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS IS ESPECIALLY EGREGIOUS AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS CALLED IN FRONT OF CTA FOR THIS PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY AS WELL AS FOR THE PROPERTY HE OWNS AT 6 26 BURNETT CAUSES US CONCERN THAT IF HE IS ALLOWED TO NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, HE WILL DO THE SAME THING TO THE NEXT HISTORICAL PROPERTY HE WANTS TO RENOVATE. IT IS FOR THESE REASONS THAT WE STRONGLY AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS, AND WE ASK THAT CTAP VOTE TO ENSURE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL ALL WOOD WINDOWS TO MATCH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE AND TO RESTORE THE FENESTRATIONS TO WHERE THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY LOCATED. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS ON CONSENT. AFTER HEARING THOSE COMMISSIONERS CAN PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OR IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, WE CAN ANSWER THOSE. I DO. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ITEM DID YOU, DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION? IF, IF YOU JUST HAVE A QUESTION AND YOU INTEND TO KEEP IT ON CONSENT, WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS AN ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, YOU WILL NEED TO PULL IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. [00:10:01] IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO CONSIDERING MADAM CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF. UH, BASED ON THE, UM, THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE RESUBMITTED WITH THE, THE LINES, UM, IF I'M LOOKING AT IT, THE, THE PLANTER BED CLOSEST TO, UH, PLANTER BED CLOSEST TO THE HOUSE WHERE THE LINES ARE DRAWN, IS IT, IT LOOKS AS IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE THAT RETAINING WALL DOWN TO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM ROW VERSUS THE ONES CURBSIDE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY BE TAKING IT TWO ROWS HIGH. IS THAT ACCURATE? YES. MME. TERRY, I'D LIKE TO PULL AGENDA ITEM ONE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. I, I SECOND THAT. WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO PULL IT. SO, UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT NOTE. AND THEN WE JUST NEED AN ACTION ON THE REMAINDER, WHICH IS JUST ITEM NUMBER TWO. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL TWO ALSO. OKAY. SO NO MOTION OR ACTION NEEDED FOR THE CONSENT ITEMS. AND WE WILL JUST MOVE TO HEARING ITEM ONE AND THE APPLICANT CAN GO AHEAD AND COME UP TO THE PODIUM FOR THAT. UH, GOOD MORNING FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS REBECCA CLAUSEWITZ AND I'M THE OWNER OF 5 1 5 WICK. YEAH, SO JUST TO RECAP, UM, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY DENIED BY THE CTA. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH STAFF TO DEVELOP A COMPROMISE, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. UM, AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE, THE COMPROMISE, WHICH IS A, UM, ALTERATION TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER SETSER DESCRIBED IT PRETTY ACCURATELY. IT'S GONNA REMOVE BASICALLY THE TOP 50% OF THIS, UH, PLANTER WALL AT THE SIDEWALK. AND THEN THE PLANTERS AT THE HOUSE WILL BE REMOVED TO APPROXIMATELY ONE ROW OF EXPOSED STONE THAT YOU WOULD SEE. AND THEN ALL OF THE STONE WOULD BE COVERED IN A STUCCO MATERIAL SO THAT IT APPEARS MORE JUST LIKE A TRADITIONAL CONCRETE. UM, AND SO THAT IS, OH, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT MATERIAL IS A, IS A CONCRETE PLASTER THAT HAS AN ADHESIVE HAS BEEN ADDED TO, SO IT WILL STAY ON THE WALLS. THIS IS, THIS WAS JUST A SAMPLE JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY A VISUAL OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, THIS, THIS WALL WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE TORN DOWN TO THE APPROPRIATE HEIGHT. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SAMPLE BEFORE, UM, BEFORE THE HEARING. SO MADAM CHAIR, CAN WE GO, UM, PICTURE OR PHOTO BY PHOTO, UM, THROUGH THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? BECAUSE IT, THE SQUIGGLY LINES AREN'T CUTTING IT. UM, SO THE RED MEANS IT'S TOTALLY GONE. NO, THE, THE RED MEANS IT IS, IT REMAINS, THE BLUE MEANS IT'S TOTALLY GONE. AND THE YELLOW, AND I'M SORRY, THIS IS THE BEST I COULD DO WITH THE MATERIALS I HAD, BUT, UM, THE YELLOW IS WHERE THE, IT REMAINS WITH THE PLASTER ON IT. UM, EACH OF THOSE STONES, IT'S A FOUR INCH CUT LIMESTONE, SO WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW TALL IT IS BASED ON THE FOUR INCHES. UM, SO BASICALLY TAKING IT DOWN EIGHT INCHES, TWO ROWS, HAVING IT REMAIN APPROXIMATELY EIGHT INCHES HIGH. SO, 'CAUSE THERE'S FOUR ROWS OF STONES THERE. SO JUST KEEPING THE YELLOW SECTION ON THAT CORRECT FRONT CURB OR PART RIGHT. THE CONSTRUCTION. BUT REMOVING THAT, THE BACK, UH, BREAK AREA IN THE RED, NO, KEEPING THE BACK, I MEAN, WE NEED THAT FOR SUPPORT, OTHERWISE THE WALL WILL FALL DOWN. THAT WILL BE COMPLETELY COVERED. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF, UM, INFILL GRADING, GRASS, ALL THAT STUFF. SO IT, IT, IT'S MORE FOR SUPPORT. IT WON'T BE A VISUAL ELEMENT. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY WE SHOULD APPROVE SOMETHING ONCE WE'VE ALREADY DENIED IT? SURE. UM, WELL, AND I, I WOULD ASK STAFF, STAFF TO SHOW THE PICTURE OF, UM, THE STREET VIEW DURING CONSTRUCTION. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN COMMENTS MADE THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, I SHOULD, I SHOULD HAVE, MY CONTRACTOR SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING TO PREVENT EROSION. UM, THIS HAS BEEN JUST AN ONGOING CONSTRUCTION PROJECT FOR SEVERAL YEARS WHERE I'VE HAD ONE [00:15:01] CONTRACTOR, ANOTHER CONTRACT WHO WALKED OFF THE JOB, ANOTHER CONTRACTOR HAVE TO TAKE OVER. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY THE, THE SITE SAT FOR A WHILE. WE DID TRY TO COMPACT IT DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH RAW EARTH, IT IS CONSTANTLY BEING DUG INTO EROSION HAS BEEN A, UM, BATTLE THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOSING. AND EVEN PUTTING IN GRASS, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM WHEN IT RAINS BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT SLOPE OF THE FRONT YARD. UM, AND SO WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY LANDSCAPING THAT'S DONE DOESN'T END UP IN THE STREET. UM, THERE WAS A, I THINK IT WAS A GOOGLE, UM, OF GOOGLE MAP. WELL, WOULD I BE IN INTERESTED IN, UM, FROM 2022 THAT BASICALLY SHOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? UH, I THINK IT WAS SUBMITTED, I DON'T KNOW WITH SOME OF THE OTHER INFORMATION. SURE. UM, BUT IT'S, UM, IT'S JUST BEEN A EROSION HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROBLEM. THEY, THERE WERE LITERALLY FOUR TRENCHES AND I'M NOT TALKING JUST LIKE A LITTLE DITCH, I'M TALKING LIKE 36 INCHES DOWN. SO THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS YOUR HOME WITH THE PORTA-POTTY IN FRONT OF IT? YEAH, WELL THE, THE PORTA-POTTY IS GONE NOW. YEAH, , BUT I DON'T SEE MUCH OF A BERM THERE THAT WOULD WARRANT, UH, WELL THAT'S BECAUSE ALL THE DIRT RAN OFF. YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE ON THE SIDE. I MEAN IT WAS JUST A CONSTANT BATTLE TO TRY TO KEEP, UM, THE, THE DIRT IN PLACE. AND, UM, BUT THEN, UH, MR. CONRAD MENTIONED THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES. MR NO, NO, THIS IS THE ONLY PROPERTY. YEAH, THIS IS, THIS WAS MY GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOME. UM, I PURCHASED IT FROM MY, WELL FROM A REVERSE MORTGAGE MY COUSIN TOOK OUT MANY YEARS AGO AND THE HOME WAS IN NON INHABITABLE CONDITION WHEN I TOOK IT. UM, AND I'VE REALLY TRIED TO MAKE IT LIKE THE, THE BEST LOOKING HOME ON THE BLOCK AND UM, YOU KNOW, SO I GUESS MY CLARIFICATION IS EVERYTHING IN THE BLUE HAS BEEN REMOVED. WELL, NOTHING'S BEEN REMOVED YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE FULL PROCESS. SO I BUT IT'S GOING TO BE REMOVED. YES, THE BLUE WILL BE REMOVED, CORRECT. EXCEPT FOR THE ONE ROW. EXCEPT FOR THE ONE ROW. AND THAT'S GONNA BE, AND THAT'S GONNA BE COVERED, RIGHT? IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S THERE FOUR, FOUR BRICK OR FOUR BLOCKS HIGH. AND EACH ONE OF THOSE IS FOUR INCHES. SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY 16 INCHES. NOW WHAT I, WHAT I HAD PROPOSED IS TO TAKE IT DOWN TO TWO BLOCKS, WHICH WOULD BE GIVE OR TAKE, IT WOULD BE UNDER 10 INCHES. 'CAUSE IT'D BE TWO INCH INCHES. I MEAN, UH, MAYBE TWO INCHES OF MORTAR OR WHATEVER WITH THE BLOCKS. SO EIGHT INCHES TOTAL WITH ROCK. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO IT WOULD BE UNDER, UNDER 10 INCHES TOTAL WHEN IT, WHEN THE TWO BLOCKS ARE TAKEN DOWN, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. OKAY. AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE THIS KIND OF RETAINING WALL NEARBY? UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL RETAINING WALLS UP AND DOWN WIX. UM, UH, IT'S, I SUBMITTED THAT INFORMATION AS WELL, UM, TO THEM. AND UM, THOSE PHOTOS ARE SOMEWHERE IN THERE. RACHEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF SOMETHING EVEN CLOSE TO THIS? BECAUSE WELL, I SEE, WELL THERE'S, THERE ARE, THERE IS CURBING ON SOME OF THE HOMES, UM, THERE, UH, I KNOW THAT, UM, MR. CONRAD HAD MENTIONED THAT SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, HOMES HAD, UH, UNAPPROVED RETAINING WALLS. GO STOP. RACHEL, CAN YOU GO GO BACK TO, WHAT IS THAT LITTLE, I GUESS IT LOOKS LIKE AN EDGING OR SOMETHING. IT APPEARS TO BE A STEEL EDGING. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE NO HIGHER THAN WELL, BUT THESE HOMES HAVE A DIFFERENT, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME ELEVATION THAT MY HOME HAS. MY HOME DOES NOT, WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION STARTED, IT DID NOT HAVE A GRADUAL SLOPE TO THE SIDEWALK. IT WAS LIKE A DROP OFF IS WHAT I WOULD CALL IT, . UM, AND SO WHEN YOU START DIGGING INTO THAT GROUND, IT'S, IT'S GONNA ROLL OFF MUCH MORE QUICKLY THAN IT WOULD IF THERE WAS A GRADUAL SLOPE. IF IT WAS GRADUAL SLOPE, I WOULDN'T BE IN THIS SITUATION, MA'AM, LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A DROP OFF. IT LOOKS LIKE PEOPLE HAD DRIVEN OVER THE GRASS AND THE GRASS WAS NOW GONE. THAT RESULTED IN THE EROSION, WHICH WAS NEEDED BY JUST HAVING IT RECEDED. THE EXTENDED DROP OFF WAS CREATED [00:20:01] BY THE CONSTRUCTION. CAN YOU GO BACK AND PUT THE OTHER PICTURE, PICTURE, RACHEL, WITH THE RETAINING WALL, NOW THERE'S A DROP OFF, BUT FROM THE ORIGINAL PICTURE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING, THERE WASN'T A DROP OFF, BUT THAT WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL PICTURE. THAT WAS THE PICTURE. MID-CONSTRUCTION. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL WHEN BEFORE THE HOUSE WAS TOUCHED BY ME WHEN IT WASN'T EVEN OWNED BY ME. YOU MEAN THAT ONE, THAT, THAT, THAT'S MID-CONSTRUCTION RIGHT THERE. MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, LOOKING AT THAT, AT THAT PICTURE. UM, IF YOU COMPARE THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT TO IT, IT DOES LOOK AT SOME POINT THERE WERE STAIRS THAT WERE ADDED, UM, THAT MAKE, MAKES IT APPEAR THAT THE ORIGINAL GRADE WAS HIGHER THAN, THAN THE TWO NEIGHBORING HOUSES. UM, SO NOT SURE TO THE EXTENT THAT RELATES TO THE EROSION COMPARED TO THE OTHER TWO, BUT IT DOES LOOK AT SOME POINT THERE WERE STAIRS THAT WERE REQUIRED BASED ON THE ELEVATION HEIGHT, IN MY OPINION. OKAY. Y YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. AND I MEAN, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS ALSO THAT THE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE, THE, THE ADDITION WAS APPROVED THE WAY IT WAS BECAUSE THE ELEVATION OF THE HOME COMPARED TO THE STREET OR SIDEWALK LEVEL IS SO MUCH HIGHER THAN THE OTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. SO YOU HAVE A, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT ELEVATION ON THAT HOME COMPARED TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UM, ORIGINALLY. ALRIGHT. UM, SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE. UH, THE ONE WITH THE BLUE SQUIGGLY LINES ALL OVER THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT THAT. WELL, THE, THE BLUE LINES INDICATE WHERE, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE I'VE MARKED TWO STONE HEIGHTS TAKING THE, THE, UM, REC OR THE ROCKS OUT. AND THEN ON THE BACKSIDE I WAS WILLING TO GO TO WHATEVER HEIGHT THEY RECOMMENDED. SO, SO, UM, THAT WAS JUST INDICATING THAT I WOULD, I WOULD BE HA I WOULD BE HAPPY HAVING IT EIGHT INCHES APPROXIMATELY, UM, WITH TWO STONE HEIGHTS. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I HAD PROPOSED FOR, UM, FOR ALL OF THE ROCK. SO THIS ONE HERE SHOWING THE BLUE SQUIGGLY LINES WOULD ONLY LEAVE, IS THAT TWO OR ONE ROAD? IT'S, IT'S TWO, CORRECT. SO THERE'S ONE THAT'S BURIED AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS RIGHT. WELL, THERE, THERE FOOTINGS AND SO, UM, THERE WOULD BE, UM, THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO SUPPORT IT. AND THEN THE, THE PLANTER BOXES ARE NOT AS MUCH OF A CONCERN WITH MINE AS, AS THE RETAINING WALL, I'LL BE HONEST. UM, AND SO THE MAIN THING I JUST DON'T, I, I WANT TO PREVENT IS MORE EROSION. UM, AND SO THE, UM, THE PLANTER BOXES, I'M ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO DO WHATEVER STAFF RECOMMENDS ON THOSE THAT, UM, THAT'S MORE FOR, UM, LANDSCAPING ISSUES. THE OTHER IS TO PRESERVE THE, UM, THE YARD AND ANY KIND OF, UH, THINGS THAT I ADD TO THE FRONT YARD PLANTINGS I ADD TO THE FRONT YARD FROM FALLING DOWN THE HILL . AND THEN THE NEXT PICTURE DOWN, UH, THAT SHOWS THE, SO THE STONE STAIRWAY THAT YOU PUT IN THAT, WELL, IT'S JUST A STONE FACING THE, THE STEPS ARE ACTUALLY CONCRETE AND THEY JUST HAVE A STONE FACING, THIS IS AN OLDER PICTURE, UM, BUT THE AREA WHERE THERE'S DIRT KIND OF IN BETWEEN, THAT'S CONCRETE ALREADY, UM, THAT'S BEEN POURED, THE SIDEWALK'S BEEN POURED, SO IT'S JUST STONE FACING ON THE STEPS AND WE WOULD PLASTER THAT AS WELL. SO IT LOOKS JUST AS LIKE, TO MAKE IT JUST LOOK LIKE RIGHT. SEAMLESS CONCRETE CEMENT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND IS THAT THE SAME CASE FOR RIGHT THERE AS YOU'RE ENTERING FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY SIDEWALK? UM, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FRONT STEPS, SIR, LIKE BELOW THE WIDA REMODELING SIGN? OH YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SO THOSE WOULD, THOSE ARE ALSO STONE FACING AND THAT COULD BE CHANGED BACK TO REGULAR RIGHT. IT WOULD BE ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE PLASTERED IN THE CONCRETE THE SAME WAY, UM, THAT I DID THE, I SHOWED THE SAMPLE HAD BEEN DONE ON THE WALL TO WHERE IT LOOKS JUST LIKE CONCRETE. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT AN ADHESIVE, IT'S MIXED. SO IT CAN BE PLASTERED FIRST AND THEN IT, UM, AS AN ADHESIVE ADDED TO IT TO ENSURE THAT IT ADHERES TO THE SURFACE. ALRIGHT. AND THAT ALSO, IT JUST LETS YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S WET WHEN THEY TOOK THE PICTURE. IT WILL DRY LIGHTER, SO IT [00:25:01] WILL LOOK LIKE CONCRETE WHEN IT IS DONE. 'CAUSE IT'S BASICALLY CONCRETE THAT THEY JUST DON'T, UM, THEY MIX TWO, OH, EXCUSE ME, TO ALLOW IT TO PLASTER CORY. SO THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE END IS, IS TO APPROVE IT AND HAVE THE STONE COVER THE WOOD. THAT'S WHAT I'M READING CORRECTLY. SO THE, THE STONE THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF THE SKIRTING HERE WOULD BE REDUCED BY TWO COURSES. AND SO THE, THE SKIRTING WOULD BE EXPOSED AGAIN, WOULD VENTILATION BE INCLUDED IN THE EXPOSED SKIRTING? WE CERTAINLY RECOMMEND THAT. AND SO I THINK THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO TO DOING THAT. YEAH, WE HAVE, UM, ACCESS POINTS, UM, TO THE CRAWL SPACE THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY VENT. UM, UH, WE RUN, WE RAN THE, UM, ONE OF THE HVAC UM, LINES HAD TO BE RUN UNDER THE HOUSE BECAUSE THERE'S NO ATTIC SPACE. SO, UM, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THAT AREA ALREADY. SO, UM, IT, I DUNNO WHAT PICTURE THAT IS. I THINK SO. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE SKIRTING THAT YOU PUT IN ALONG THE HOUSE WOULD JUST HAVE ONE BLOCK EXPOSED, IS THAT CORRECT? OR BECAUSE ONE IS UNDERNEATH IT WOULD BE WHATEVER STAFF RECOMMENDS AND IS APPROVED? YEAH, ACTUALLY I SAID TWO COURSES, I THINK IT'S THREE COURSES YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE. YEAH. AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO, I MEAN IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY, THEY LEVELED IT OUT. SO THE HOUSE IS, IT HAS DIFFERENT, UM, SIZE , DIFFERENT HEIGHTS ON EITHER SIDE, SO IT WOULD BE LEVELED OUT ALL TO THE SAME HEIGHT. UM, WHATEVER STAFF RECOMMENDS WHATEVER IS APPROVED. UM, AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD JUST HAVE IT LOOK CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCRETE PLASTER. SO BASED ON, ON THE DESCRIPTION OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THE, THE RE THE RETAINING WALL AT THE FRONT FOR, FOR DEFINITION IS APPROXIMATELY 10 INCHES HIGH. IT WOULD BE UNDER 10 INCHES HIGH BECAUSE THE STONES ARE FOUR INCHES. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MORTAR, MAYBE SO A LITTLE LOWER THAN THAN 10. YEAH. AND THEN IN THE FRONT, IF THE BLOCKS ARE FOUR INCHES WITH THE MORTAR, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY FIVE THAT ALL THAT'S GONNA BE COVERED WITH THE, THE CONCRETE LOOK. YES. UM, AND THEN AGAINST THE HOUSE THAT'S LOWERED AS WELL AND WE'LL HAVE THE CORRECT VENTING CORRECT. BASED ON WHAT THE STAFF THEN HAS AGREED TO. YES. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM? YES. NO. YES, NO. ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE RETAINING WALL UP FRONT. UM, IF YOU REMOVE THE UPPER TWO COURSES AND UH, ON THE REAR RETAIN THE SAME HEIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SLOPE OF ABOUT EIGHT, NINE INCHES FROM THE BACK TO THE FRONT. UM, DO YOU HAVE PLANS ON WHAT TO FILL THOSE FRONT BEDS IN WITH? ARE YOU TALKING OH, RIGHT HERE. UM, YOU'RE TALKING LIKE, UH, LANDSCAPING MATERIAL OR PLANTS OR, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO FILL IT IN WITH PLANTS AND THEN SOME KIND OF MATERIAL AND I WOULD HAVE TO TEST OUT WHICH ONE WERE, WHAT WOULD WORK BEST. I'M THINKING SOME KIND OF STONES WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, LESS, YOU KNOW, LIKE SMALL RIVER ROCK OR SOMETHING WOULD BE LESS, UM, LIKELY TO END UP IN THE STREET. UM, MULCH MIGHT, MULCH MIGHT ONCE AGAIN WASH OUT. SO IT WOULD JUST BE DEPENDING, I'D SAMPLE 'EM AND TEST THEM OUT. BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE PLANTINGS IN THERE TO ANCHOR EVERYTHING OF COURSE. AND THAT, THAT'S MY GOAL FROM THE BEGINNING. UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE PLANTINGS NEED TO BE THERE TO ANCHOR THE DIRT IN PLACE. SO YEAH, I, COREY I SEE WHETHER, WHETHER IT GOT RECOMMENDED, BUT LOOKING BACK AT THE NEIGHBORS, LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL, LOOKING AT, WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS ONCE, I WOULD RECOMMEND NO. AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE UP BY THE HOUSE I WOULD, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE ONE. BUT REMOVING EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE OF KEEPING THE WOOD IN ITS APPEARANCE, THE STONE AT THE, AT THE FRONT, I CAN SEE THE, WHERE THE RED, BUT IT HAD TO BE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY SUBMERGED TO WHERE IT WOULD BE COVERED. BUT THE STONE WITH THE BLUE AND THE YELLOW DOWN HERE, I CAN SEE THE STAIRS. BUT AS FAR AS THE OTHER STONES, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND, I WOULDN'T APPROVE, I WOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH IT BECAUSE IT DOES CHANGE THE IMAGE OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. [00:30:03] I UNDERSTAND WE'RE COMING UP WITH, BUT IF WE START MAKING TOO MANY ADAPTATIONS AWAY FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETIES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW, I WOULDN'T, MY RECOMMENDATION IS I UNDERSTAND WITH WHERE THE RED IS AND MAKE IT SURFACE TO FOR RETENTION. BUT AS FAR AS WHERE THE BLUE AND THE FACING OF THE YELLOW WHERE THE STREETS, I'M OKAY WITH THE STONES FOR THE STAIRS 'CAUSE THE CONCRETE, BUT UP AGAINST THE HOUSE, ONE, ONE LEVEL IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE I WOULD NOT BECAUSE IT WOULD COMPLETELY CHANGE THE IMAGE OF THE HOUSE. ALSO WITH THE VENTILATION AND LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL, AND SHE'S TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS WAS HER MOTHER'S ORIGINAL HOUSE AND I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE CHANGES. IT WAS ACTUALLY MY GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S, YOUR GREAT THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION, YOUR GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE. BUT THE, YOUR GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE HAD WOOD AND THE VENTILATION, AND I KNOW YOU PUT THE HVAC UNDERNEATH, BUT WE ALSO ALSO NEED THAT. AND IF YOU TAKE A, THE LOOK AT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORS, I DON'T SEE THOSE CHANGES. SO MADAM CHAIR, I'M, I'M, UH, I'D LIKE TO, CAN I JUST RESPOND REALLY QUICKLY? YES, MA'AM. UM, OKAY. UM, THE KING WILLIAM HISTORICAL, UM, GROUP HAS, HAS ACTUALLY SAID THAT A FOUR INCH CURBING IS OKAY AND THEY'VE SAID EIGHT INCHES, WHICH IS TWO STONES IS, OKAY. SO WHY AT THIS POINT DO YOU THINK THAT NONE IS, OKAY, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR INCHES HERE, FOUR INCHES ON THE, ON THE SIDEWALK. MM-HMM, . THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE KING WILLIAMS APPROVED THE FOUR INCHES, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID? YES, YES. OKAY, THEN, THEN THAT, THEN WE WILL DO THAT THE FOUR INCHES AND THEN ALONG THE HOUSE, UH, MR. CONRAD, WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION? REMOVE TOTAL REMOVAL, BUT NOT EVEN JUST THE, THE ONE JUST BECAUSE I JUST, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT MR. CONRAD. 'CAUSE I MEAN IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE HIM THE FOUR INCHES ON THE CURVE DOWN HERE, BUT UP AGAINST THE HOUSE, LET HER HAVE THAT, THAT ONE EDGE, ONE EDGE AS LONG AS THE WOOD IS EXPOSED. BECAUSE THERE'S HOUSES ALL ALONG WIX THAT HAVE LANDSCAPE CURBING, THAT HAVE RETAINING WALLS WHETHER THEY'RE APPROVED OR NOT. AND SO TO, HONESTLY, TO ME THIS SEEMS LIKE SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT. IF, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA UNILATERALLY NOT ALLOW THEM, THEN YOU SHOULD ENFORCE AGAINST EVERYONE. AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE. OKAY. I JUST WANNA GET CLARIFICATION HERE. UM, SO IT COULD CRAFT A MOTION, WHICH I'M NOT THE BEST AT, BUT WHATEVER. UM, AND MR. CONRAD, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MIC? YES. SO WHAT THE ASSOCIATION IS UP OKAY WITH, AND LET'S, LET'S SEE. SO FOR THE SKIRTING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH ONE BLOCK EXPOSED? WELL, WE, WE RECOMMENDED THAT BE A, THAT IT BE REMOVED UP AGAINST THE HOUSE, NOT EVEN JUST ONE SHIRT. NONE OF THE OTHER HOUSES HAVE PLANTER BOXES IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSES AT THE SKIRT OF THE FOUNDATION, NONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORING HOUSES. UM, WE RECOGNIZED THE, THE STRUGGLE WITH THE EROSION AT THE FRONT SIDEWALK AND THAT'S WHERE WE RECOMMENDED NO HIGHER THAN A FOUR INCH CURB JUST TO HELP RETAIN THAT EARTH. UM, Y'ALL SHOWED A PICTURE ON THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW. SOMEBODY PUT A STEEL LEDGER FOR THE SAME PURPOSE TO RETAIN THEIR YARD. SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT AS A NEED. UH, BUT UP AGAINST THE HOUSE IS SUCH AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT'S BEEN ADDED. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. NOW WE COULD LIVE WITH A FOUR INCH CURB, UH, AT THE HOUSE. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AND DIE FOR. TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION FOR IS TO APPROVE WHAT Y'ALL MENTIONED FOR THE FRONT CURB, UH, AS LONG AS IT'S CEMENTED OVER. IS THAT WHAT YES, YES. AND THEN FOR THE SKIRTING ALONG THE HOUSE TO KEEP JUST THE ONE LAYER OR IS IT TWO LAYERS OF BRICK? I CAN'T, FOUR IS JUST ONE. ALRIGHT, JUST ONE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST A, A STONE LANDSCAPE. [00:35:01] VEGGIE. AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT'S BEING REMOVED IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, THE BLUE IS BEING REMOVED, THEY'RE GONNA RETAIN THE BOTTOM COURSE OF THE STONE AT THE SIDEWALK. IT'S LIKE THIS HIGH, BUT THEN IT RETURNS AND THE SIDEWALLS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STAIRS. I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED THERE. THERE'S NO SQUIGGLE LINES OR ANYTHING ON, CAN YOU CLARIFY MA'AM? SURE. UM, WELL I I DID CLARIFY IT IN THE PICTURES. UM, I WOULD TAKE IT DOWN TO, UM, THE SUGGESTED HEIGHT THAT, UM, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAD RECOMMENDED. UM, AND THEN ANYTHING THAT'S EXPOSED WOULD BE PLASTERED OVER IN THE CONCRETE. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ROCK SHOWING. UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE LITERALLY THIS MUCH, IT'S FOUR INCHES, SO IT'S FOR THIS ONE IN FRONT, WELL, IN THE FRONT, THE HOUSE IN THE FRONT, I WOULD REC, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE EIGHT INCHES, WHICH IS TWO STONES, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF EROSION. I MEAN YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S JUST LOOSE DIRT. AND SO YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH THE SAME PROBLEM. UM, I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER, UM, OH P'S WELL, I'M INCLINED TO RECOMMENDATION, I'M INCLINED TO GO WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S RECOMMENDING. GO AHEAD, MR. CONRAD. ACTUALLY, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR? YES, MR. CONRAD, GO AHEAD AND COME ON. BUT I, I DO SUPPORT WHAT SHE JUST SAID. THE RED, IF YOU'RE PROPOSING TO LEAVE THE RED AS IS, WELL IT'S GONNA BE COVERED, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE HEIGHT REALLY HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE IT ALIGNS WITH THE TOP OF THE STAIR, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE WEIRD TO DROP THAT WALL DOWN AND THEN THE STAIRS HIGHER. OKAY. SO IT, IT BASICALLY ALIGNS WITH THE TOP OF THE TOP STEP. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE. UM, AND NOW I UNDERSTAND, FRANKLY, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE SQUIGGLE LINES, I'M, I'M AN ARCHITECT. I'M USED TO THE SEEING MORE INFORMATION. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE SQUIGGLE LINES ALL MEANT, BUT NOW IF YOU, YOU EXPLAIN, YOU'RE REMOVING THAT STONE WALL WITH THE BLUE LINE, THE STONE WALL ON TOP OF, WITH THE BLUE LINE, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. UH, AND I THINK SHE'S DEFINITELY RIGHT ABOUT THE RED, WHERE THE RED ONE IS BECAUSE AS MY COLLEAGUE STATED, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE SEEING THE MOVEMENTS, WE ARE SEEING, YOU KNOW, THE DIRT THAT'S BEING DAMAGED AND IF THERE, IF THE FOUR INCHES, WHICH IS WHAT IT IS, AND SHE WILL GIVE THE FOUR INCHES AROUND THE ENTIRE HOUSE TO HAVE THE EXPOSURE OF THE WOOD WITH THE VENTILATION. I THINK THAT'S SUITABLE. I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. SO THEN, UH, STAFF COREY, SO WOULD WE JUST NEED TO GO WITH, UH, SO WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE SKIRTING IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AND WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. SO THAT IS JUST GONNA BE AS SUBMITTED. ALRIGHT. AND THEN, UM, AND JUST, I THINK WE'RE FINALLY CLEAR NOW, BUT LIKE IN THIS PICTURE, THE YELLOW IS ALL YOU WILL SEE AND IT WILL LOOK LIKE CONCRETE. AND SO THAT IS ALSO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. ALRIGHT. AND THE FINAL HEIGHT OF THAT WALL AT THE SIDEWALK, THAT COULD BE AN ADDED STIPULATION AS PROPOSED IT'S GONNA BE EIGHT INCHES LESS THAN 10. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT FOUR, BUT I THINK THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION IS OKAY WITH THE TWO COURSES, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT EIGHT INCHES. AND THAT'S ALSO AS PROPOSED. AND SO POTENTIALLY THE MOTION AS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. NO, BUT I JUST NEEDED TO GET CLARIFICATION JUST BECAUSE OF THE ILLUSTRATIONS. MADAM CHAIR, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST CHUCKLING BECAUSE MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE HAD YOU COMMUNICATE THAT TO FROM THE BEGINNING. OKAY. SO IT WAS CONFUSING WITH THE WHAT WAS SUBMITTED. SO I, I WANTED TO SEE CLARIFICATION AND THAT'S WHY I PULLED IT FROM THE AGENDA. OKAY. UNDERSTAND. BUT NOW THAT IAND UNDERSTAND IT, UNDERSTAND PROPERLY EXPLAINED, I THINK YOU'RE OKAY. TRYING TO DO THIS ON MY COMPUTER IS VERY TOUGH. SURE. SO, SO LET'S POINT ORDER, MOVING FORWARD, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY SUPPORT WHAT THE STAFF ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON THE FINDINGS FOR A THROUGH G. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, COREY? YES. ALRIGHT, I'D LIKE A MOTION PLEASE. HANG ON JUST A MINUTE. ALL RIGHT, SO THE ONE MORE TIME. SURE. THE FRONT STEPS THERE LEADING UP TO THE PATIO, THOSE WILL BE COVERED. YES. EVERY PART OF THE LIKE EXPOSED ROCK WILL BE COVERED, CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. UM, EXCEPT FOR THE PART THAT WAS IN THE RED, WHICH YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE BECAUSE IT'LL BE COVERED BY SOD AND UM, SOIL AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT'S MORE, THAT'S [00:40:01] A STRUCTURAL WALL, SO, UM, THAT WON'T BE ABLE TO BE SEEN. ALRIGHT, MADAM CHAIR, I THINK I'M, UH, READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED WITH OHP RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. OR STIPULATIONS SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION. UM, IN A SECOND WE'LL TAKE ROLL CALL BRI REGARD. AYE. SER AYE. FULLERTON AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND VEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE IF I COULD, A BRIEF COMMENT I'D, I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION FOR, FOR BOTH PARTIES. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A, A DRAWN HELP PROCESS, BUT, UM, AND, AND REPEAT VISITS, BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S WILLINGNESS TO HAVE OPEN CONVERSATIONS AND DIALOGUE AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK OF THE CHAIR IN FACILITATING THAT TODAY SO THAT WE COULD, UH, FIND OUR WAY AROUND ANY INITIAL DEFENSIVENESS AND, AND FIND A, A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE, UH, SOLUTION. THANK Y'ALL. I CONCUR. THE, THE COMMUNICATION I THINK WAS PROBABLY THE KEY HERE AND OUR LACK OF EXPERIENCE AND THE, AND YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO DO YOUR RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM PLEASE. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, MR. GONZALEZ? IS HE ONLINE? UH, MR. GONZALEZ, ARE YOU HERE VIRTUALLY? WELL, HE, I'VE GOTTA MAKE HIM A PANELIST. THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER THAT I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A PANELIST. UM, I DO NOT KNOW WHO THIS IS THOUGH. SO, UM, CALLER WHOSE NUMBER IS, UM, 2 1 0 4 1 3 AND I DON'T HAVE THE LAST FOUR DIGITS, IF YOU CAN HIT STAR SIX AND UNMUTE, WE CAN HEAR FROM YOU IF NOT STAFF, WE WILL JUST KIND OF PRESENT THIS CASE SO THAT YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION. OKAY. SO 5 0 4 NORTH HACKBERRY. THIS WAS A VIOLATION WHERE WINDOWS WERE REPLACED WITHOUT APPROVAL. UM, THE APPLICANT AND THERE WAS SOME OTHER WORK TOO. THE APPLICANT, UM, AGREED TO CORRECT ALL OF THE OTHER WORK WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE WINDOWS. UM, THEY DID BEGIN TO SEEK AN APPEAL, UM, WENT TO THE BOA AND THAT ITEM WAS CONTINUED AND SINCE HAS WORKED WITH STAFF ON A, UM, SOLUTION THAT WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, WHICH IS TO, UH, GO BACK AND REPLACE ALL OF THE PREVIOUS, PREVIOUSLY REPLACED WINDOWS FROM VINYL TO WOOD SO THAT THEY MATCH THE WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO MORE DECORATIVE KIND OF FANCY WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE THAT HAVE MULTIPLE DIVIDED LIGHTS ON THE UPPER SASH. AND SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO LOCATE OR FIND SALVAGE WINDOWS THAT, THAT LOOK JUST LIKE THOSE, UM, AND, AND RETAIN THE SIZE OF THE OPENINGS AND HE'S AGREED TO THAT AS WELL. SO YEAH, BRIAN'S GOT IT ON THE SCREEN HERE. YOU CAN SEE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE SASHES THAT HAVE THE REALLY LONG SKINNY, UH, GLASS. SO, UM, HE HAS AGREED TO ALL THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THERE'S NO OTHER OUTSTANDING, UH, VIOLATIONS THAT NEED TO BE REMEDIED. UM, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING IT BACK HERE JUST SO THAT YOU HAD THE INFORMATION. UM, NO, I GUESS , SO COREY, EVERYTHING IS GOING BACK TO WHAT IT WAS, THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ESSENTIALLY? YES, YES. AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TOO, I, I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. GONZALEZ AND HIS LAWYER AND THEY'VE BOTH AGREED TO, UM, HAVING A CUSTOM WINDOW MAKER, UM, RECREATE THE FRONT TWO DECORATIVE WINDOWS. SO IT'S GONNA MATCH, UM, IN SIZE WITH HEIGHT, UM, DEPTH INSTALLATION METHOD MATERIAL. UM, AND THEN AS, AS COREY MENTIONED, HE'S RETURNING BACK TO ITS PREVIOUS FENESTRATION PATTERN. SO ALL WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, UH, WILL MOVE TO, UM, THEIR ORIGINAL OPENINGS AND UM, THE APPLICANT WILL INSTALL NEW WINDOWS WHERE LY PREVIOUSLY EXISTED. SO ON THE PACKET, I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 11, WHAT IS THAT? WHERE IT SHOWS, IT LOOKS LIKE A SLIDING DOOR ON THE EAST ELEVATION? YEAH, SO THE UM, ELEVATION DRAWING SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT WAS, UM, THEIR INITIAL REQUEST TO HAVE THE, UM, APPROVAL AS INSTALLED. HOWEVER, SPEAKING TO THE APPLICANT, WALKING THEM THROUGH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, PREPARING THEM FOR THE BOARD OF OF ADJUSTMENT PROCESS, UM, AND SEVERAL STAFF MEETINGS, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED THAT THE BEST COURSE THE METHOD WOULD BE TO ABANDON THIS PLAN FOR AS CONSTRUCTED TO RETURN BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL FENESTRATION. SO THESE, UM, FENESTRATION OR THESE ELEVATION DRAWINGS, UM, OR HIS ORIGINAL REQUESTS, BUT HE HAS AGREED TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO RETURN BACK TO THE FENESTRATION PATTERN. EVERYTHING IS GOING BACK TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY CORRECT [00:45:01] AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED, AND A PART OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT HE SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWING TO SHOW AND TO PROVE TO STAFF THAT THAT'S GONNA, UM, HAPPEN. AND HOW OFTEN DOES STAFF FOLLOW UP TO ENSURE, UH, FOLLOW THROUGH WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA DO? SURE. SO I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. GONZALEZ AND HIS LAWYER, UM, AT LEAST A HALF, WELL AT LEAST A DOZEN AND A HALF TIMES. UH, WE'VE MET ON SITE A COUPLE OF TIMES AS WELL. AND SO, UM, I REGULARLY EMAIL MR. GONZALEZ AND HIS LAWYER, UM, REGARDING THIS PROCESS. AND WE'VE BEGUN THIS PROCESS SINCE, UM, AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS SHOW, I BELIEVE SINCE EARLY FEBRUARY. SO WELL, AND FOR THE OTHER ITEMS WE HAVE ENTERED INTO A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT AND SO THERE ARE DEADLINES AND THINGS THAT WE'VE AGREED UPON IN WRITING ALL PARTIES HAVE SIGNED. AND SO WE ARE ABLE TO HOLD THEM TO CORRECTING THOSE ITEMS. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW THOSE ITEMS? MUNICIPAL COURT CASE AND DO Y'ALL GO ON SITE TO, TO VERIFY THAT EVERYTHING IS WHAT THEY PROMISED? WE CAN. UM, TYPICALLY THEY'LL PROVIDE US PHOTOS AND THAT USUALLY IS ENOUGH THAT THAT, AND AS COREY MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT DID AGREE INTO A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT FOR OTHER VIOLATIONS NOTED ON THE PROPERTY, MAINLY THE FRONT PORCH DECKING, UM, AND UNAPPROVED REMOVAL OF THE CHIMNEY. UM, THE APPLICANT RECONSTRUCTED THE CHIMNEY, UM, EXACTLY TO SPEC AS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED WITH BOTH RECLAIMED A NEW MASONRY, UM, AND ALSO RETURNED THE FRONT PORCH DECKING TO A ONE BY THREE, UH, 10 GROOVE WITH A, UM, SLIGHT SLANT TOWARD THE FRONT. SO, UM, WE DO HAVE CURRENT COMPLIANCE AGREEMENTS. UH, EVERYTHING IS WRAPPED UP ON THIS PROJECT MINUS THE, THE WINDOWS, WHICH IS HERE TODAY. SOMETHING WAS ADDRESSED ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES. YES. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, DOES OWN A FEW OTHER PROPERTIES. UH, HE, UM, DID DO SOME SIMULTANEOUS, UH, VIOLATIONS, UM, THAT DID BECOME, OR THAT DID COME BEFORE THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD. UM, HE HAD SINCE ENTERED INTO COMPLIANCE AGREEMENTS ON THOSE PROPERTIES AND EVERYTHING, UM, REGARDING THOSE VIOLATIONS ON THOSE PROPERTIES HAS BEEN CLEARED. SO, UM, THE PROPERTY MENTIONED BY THE DIGNITY HILL, UM, GROUP MENTIONED, UM, 6 26 BURNETT, HE ENTERED INTO A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT WITH STAFF. UM, EVERYTHING IS CLEAR. HE SUBMITTED PHOTOS SHOWING THAT THE RETURNING CONDITION, UM, PRIMARILY THE, THE UNAPPROVED REMOVAL OF A CHIMNEY THERE AS WELL. SO, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE AS STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THIS APPLICANT, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF AT LEAST SIX MONTHS OR SO. UM, AND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY HAS COMPLETED COMPLIANCE AGREEMENTS AND SUBMITTED PHOTOS SHOWING A RETURN TO PREVIOUS CONDITION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS WHO HAVE COMMENT? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THE AUDIO FILE THAT WE HEARD THEY WERE IN, PARDON ME? THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THOUGH, CORRECT? IT WAS A SUPPORT, YES. COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? SO THE OWNER HAS OTHER PROPERTIES AND THEY'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THROUGH AND WORKING WITH OHP. THEY HAVE, UM, MR. GONZALEZ, I'VE WORKED WITH HIM FOR AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. UM, AND IT BASICALLY, HE DID WORK ON ALL THREE AT THE SAME TIME. SO IT'S, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY A, UM, WELL, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, HE'S ENTERED IN COMPLIANCE AGREEMENTS AND HE'S FIXED THE, THOSE ISSUES WITH STAFF. I, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS WRITTEN. I'LL SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S MOTION, UM, AS RECOMMENDED IN A SECOND. I'D LIKE TO TAKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE REGARD. AYE. SETZER AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND VEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] THREE, HDRC. CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 0 8 2 15 MUNCIE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, MODIFY ONE WINDOW OPENING ON THE NORTH FACADE, AND TWO, CREATE THREE NEW WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE NEWEST REAR EDITION. UH, FOR CASE HISTORY, UH, FINDING B. PAST APPROVAL CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR IN KIND BRICK REPAIR, PAINTING AND ROOF REPLACEMENT. THE COAS FOR THE PREVIOUSLY NOTED SCOPES OF WORK WERE ISSUED ON JUNE 20TH, 2023 AND HAVE SINCE EXPIRED FINDING C VIOLATION. A STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF ON FEBRUARY 27TH, 2024 FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH VINYL WINDOWS. [00:50:01] ADDITIONAL VIOLATIONS INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS TO WINDOW OPENINGS AND THE CREATION OF NEW WINDOW OPENINGS ON A REAR EDITION HAVE ALSO BEEN IDENTIFIED. FINDING D PREVIOUS REVIEW AT THE MARCH 15TH, 2024 C TAB HEARING, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING SCOPES OF WORK. ONE, REMOVE THE EXISTING GREEN PAINT THROUGH POWER WASHING THE BRICK FACADE AND PAINT PAINTING THE STRUCTURE. TWO, REPLACE AN EXISTING EXTERIOR DOOR TO THE NEWEST REAR ADDITION WITH A NEW VINYL DOOR WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE DOOR IS PAINTED. THREE, REMOVE ONE REAR DOOR ON THE REAR WEST FACADE OF THE NEW NEWEST REAR ADDITION AND THE REPLACEMENT OF EIGHT ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS WAS DENIED. OTHER SCOPES OF WORK INCLUDING WINDOW OPENING MODIFICATIONS THE INSTALLATION OF WINDOWS AND A REAR ADDITION AND NON-ORIGINAL WINDOW REPLACEMENT WAS REFERRED TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SITE VISIT. ADDITIONALLY, SINCE THE, SINCE THE INITIAL WINDOW REPLACEMENT WAS REFERRED TO A DRC SITE VISIT, OH, EXCUSE ME. ADDITIONALLY, SINCE THE INITIAL C TTAB REVIEW STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE REPLACEMENT OF TWO NON-ORIGINAL VINYL WINDOWS WITH NEW VINYL WINDOWS IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THOSE WINDOW FRAMES ARE PAINTED TO MATCH ALL OTHER WINDOW FRAMES, UH, FINDING E REGARDING THE DRC, THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MET ON SITE AT TWO 15 MUNCIE ON MARCH 27TH, 2024. AT THAT SITE VISIT, COMMISSIONERS VIEWED AND COMMENTED ON EXISTING WINDOW PROFILES, WINDOW REPLACEMENT, AND FENESTRATION PROFILES. RECOMMENDATION STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. THE MODIFICATION OF AN ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING ON THE NORTH FACADE BASED ON FINDING F STAFF RECOMMENDS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT RESTORE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RESTORE THIS OPENING TO ITS ORIGINAL SIZE AND TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CREATION OF WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE NEWEST REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDING H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE OPENINGS BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. RECTANGULAR FIXED WINDOWS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. AND TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED NEW WINDOWS BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WITH US IN PERSON. THERE IS, UH, ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THIS REQUEST AS WELL. SO JUST QUICKLY TO SUMMARIZE AGAIN. UM, SO GO BACK TO SLIDE 20. I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT. OKAY, SO THE WINDOW THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE HERE, SO A TALL SKINNY WINDOW THAT'S KIND OF BEEN MODIFIED TO BE NOT AS TALL, UM, THAT IS ITEM NUMBER ONE. UM, AND THEN ITEM NUMBER TWO IS ON THE REAR ADDITION. NOT THAT ONE JESS. BUT YEAH, SO THERE ARE, UH, THESE KIND OF HORIZONTAL ORIENTED WINDOWS. SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT IS JUST MORE OF A TRADITIONAL OPENING. UH, AND SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE A MORE UP AND DOWN WINDOW VERSUS A SIDE TO SIDE WINDOW. UM, SO THAT IS STIPULATION NUMBER TWO FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. HI, MY NAME'S PAULINA CUNNINGHAM FIRST, UM, I WANTED TO THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING, FOR HELPING US WORK THROUGH THE OTHER ITEMS AND THEN COMING ON SITE MARCH 27TH. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I HAD A PRESENTATION, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP. OKAY, PERFECT. SO BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I KIND OF WANTED TO SET THE TONE OF WHAT THE TRANSFORMATION THAT THIS HOUSE HAS GONE THROUGH OVER TIME, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, UH, SORRY, WHICH BUTTON DO I PRESS? OH, GOT IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDA. COOL. SO THE CHANGES IN EXTERIOR FROM MAY, 2013 THROUGH OCTOBER, 2018. AS YOU CAN SEE, EACH IMAGE REPRESENTS A DIFFERENT FACADE FOR THE HOME. AND WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE HERE IS THAT OVER TIME THERE'S BEEN MANY MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THIS HOUSE AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL WHAT'S ORIGINAL AND WHAT'S NOT. AND THIS IS JUST FROM THE PERIOD FROM 2013 TO 2018. SO TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE, THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1908, SO KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD AS WE GO THROUGH THIS TIMELINE AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO AFTER, SO WE JUST LOOKED AT THE CHANGES OVER TIME FROM 2013 TO 2018. AFTER THAT, THEN THIS HOUSE CHANGED, CHANGES OWNERSHIP FOUR TIMES IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS. SO AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL WHAT'S ORIGINAL AND WHAT'S NOT BECAUSE SO MANY DIFFERENT MODIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE OVER TIME. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. THE ITEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE FIRST ITEM, THE, UH, WINDOW ON THE NORTH FACADE. SO THIS IS A LISTING FROM 2019. THE, THE IM IMAGE YOU SEE HERE IS THAT THE WINDOW IS [00:55:01] STILL CURRENT AT THE CURRENT HEIGHT THAT IT IS. AND THIS LISTING IS FROM 2019. THAT IS TO SAY WE WEREN'T REAL, WE WEREN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STATE THAT THE WINDOW IS IN NOW. UM, WE CAN'T DETERMINE HOW LONG THE CURRENT STATE OF THE WINDOW HAS BEEN THERE, BUT IT IS GREATER THAN FIVE YEARS. WE'VE ONLY OWNED THE HOME SINCE MAY 20, 23, 3. UM, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THAT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING IS STILL VISIBLE, SO YOU CAN STILL SEE THAT AND NO OTHER ORIGINAL ELEMENTS ARE IMPACTED HERE. IF YOU CAN GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE STREET, YOU CANNOT SEE THAT PORTION OF THE WINDOW BECAUSE THE FENCE IS COVERING IT AND IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOME. AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT IN IMAGE C AND I PURPOSELY TOOK IMAGE C FROM A CAR SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A HIGHER HEIGHT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT POSSIBLE. SOLUTIONS THAT I WANNA KIND OF WANNA TALK THROUGH HERE. WHEN YOU GUYS CAME TO THE SITE VISIT ON MARCH 27TH, WE TALKED ABOUT WE COULD INFILL PART OF THE WINDOW OPENING WITH BRICK TO MATCH THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME. WE COULD INFILL THE, THE OPENING WITH STUCCO OR WE COULD JUST LEAVE AS IS GIVEN THAT IT'S BEEN THERE FOR GREATER THAN FIVE YEARS. N NEXT I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. I WA I JUST WANNA KIND OF THINK THROUGH, HEY, THIS RIGHT OF AWAY IS NOT AN OFFICIAL ALLEY. TRASH COLLECTION DOES NOT OCCUR ON THIS ALLEY AND IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL. YOU CAN'T DRIVE THROUGH IT. THE OTHER PART IS NOT MAINTAINED. AND THIS IS CRITICAL FOR THIS NEXT ITEM. ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE WINDOW OPENINGS IN REAR ADDITION. IT'S DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT WHAT WAS ORIGINAL FOR ALL OF THE OTHER REASONS I'VE STATED THAT THIS HOUSE HAS CHANGED OWNERSHIP BY INVESTMENT GROUPS THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES IN THREE YEARS. AND THEN ALSO ALL THE OTHER MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE MADE PRIOR TO ALL THOSE INVESTMENT FIRMS OWNING THE HOME. UM, AND THEN THE VISIBILITY OF THE MODIFIED STRUCTURES ARE EXTREMELY LIMITED. THERE'S NO VISIBILITY IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND IMAGE D FACING WEST AND IMAGE E THAT'S SAY D UH, FACING EAST SHOWS THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THIS FOR THE FENCE. BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US AND APPROVING THE FENCE 'CAUSE THAT HAS BEEN A GREAT HELP. I HAVE NO MORE STRAY DOGS IN OUR YARD. SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. AND THEN ALSO ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, THIS DOESN'T INHERENTLY GO AGAINST WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SHOWING THEY WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WILL NOT DISTRACT OR DRAW ATTENTION TO THAT. AND I JUST, AND THE, I WANNA MAKE A CLEAR DISTINCTION THAT I'M NOT SAYING, HEY, YOU GUYS SHOULD APPROVE BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE IT. UH, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE IS, HEY, THIS MATCHES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT'S NOT AN UNHEARD OF THOUGHT FOR THIS TO EXIST WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND THAT'S JUST THE POINT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE HERE. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S THE END OF THE SHOW. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON, SPEAKER, BEFORE I CALL HER UP, I WILL CLARIFY THAT THE 2019 PHOTO SHOWING THAT THAT WINDOW HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN MODIFIED AS NEW INFORMATION, UM, THERE'S GENERALLY A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR ENFORCEMENT THAT IS ABOUT A TWO YEAR PERIOD. AND SO I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY ADDITIONAL ACTION IS NEEDED FOR THAT FIRST ITEM. AND SO WE CAN FOCUS THE CONVERSATION TODAY ON THE REAR WINDOWS ON THE EDITION. UM, SO I WILL CALL UP VANESSA SHELTON AT THIS TIME. MS. SHELTON WILL RECEIVE TWO MINUTES. HELLO, I AM VANESSA SHELTON, THE PRESIDENT OF THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT, UM, PAULINA AND TALEN WITH THE REAR WINDOWS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SIMILAR WINDOWS AS THEY HAVE SHOWN BEFORE. UM, THIS, I'VE, I'VE KNOWN THIS HOUSE BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M A REALTOR AND I'VE SHOWN THIS HOUSE AND TRIED TO SELL THIS HOUSE AND IT'S A DISASTER AND AS MANY OF OUR HOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. SO, UM, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY THAT IT, YOU CANNOT SEE IT AT ALL. I, I WALKED THE PROPERTY THIS MORNING, YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE FRONT. YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE SIDE. YOU CAN'T SEE THIS AT FROM ANY VIEW, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'M JUST HERE IN SUPPORT. AND THESE ARE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE REAR WINDOWS, THE REAR WINDOWS. YES. [01:00:01] ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY? UM, JUST SOME CLARIFICATION. YOU MENTIONED A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS OF ABOUT TWO YEARS. SO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT HAVE THE, THE, LET'S JUST SAY THE WINDOWS FACING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, UM, COULD THAT BE A CASE OF THOSE WERE DONE? AND EVEN IF THE, THERE WAS SOME ENFORCEMENT THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE, WE, WE COULDN'T GO BACK TO DO IT BASED ON THE TIMING, RIGHT? WE CAN ONLY ENFORCE ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED WITHIN THE TWO MOST RECENT YEARS. AND REALLY WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO, UH, FILE CASES FOR MUNICIPAL COURT, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR VERY RECENT VIOLATIONS. AND SO IT BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT AS MORE TIME GOES BY, WHICH IS WHY WE TRY TO WORK, UH, THROUGH THIS BODY TO GET, UH, CLEAR, CLEAR ACTIONS ON ITEMS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND THEN RACHEL OR JESS, IF Y'ALL COULD GO BACK TO PHOTOS WHEN THE HOUSE WAS YELLOW AND SHOW THIS ADDITION. AND I'LL JUST KIND OF DESCRIBE THE ISSUE HERE. UH, NUMBER YEAH, THAT ONE, IF WE CAN ZOOM IN. AND SO YOU COULD SEE THIS IS A WOOD FRAME STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN STUC OUT OVER THAT'S ALL APPROVED. BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WERE LIKE, THERE IS A LARGER WINDOW OPENING THERE WITH THE, THE SEAMS OF THE SIDING THAT YOU CAN SEE. AND SO, UM, IT'S THE, THE REQUEST IS REALLY GOING FROM A MORE TRADITIONAL WINDOW OPENING TO THOSE THAT ARE MORE MODERN IN NATURE. AND SO OUR STIPULATIONS THAT ARE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT THE OPENINGS BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. UM, AND THEN THAT THE NEW WINDOWS BE SUBMITTED TO OHP FOR REVIEW OF THE MATERIALS AND OUR NORMAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS. CAN YOU GO UP A SLIDE TO 12? SO THOSE WINDOWS THAT, THAT ARE FLIPPED THE OTHER WAY, I KNOW THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BUT IF, IF YOU, IF YOU TOOK, OR I GUESS THEY'RE NOT WINDOWS ABOVE, THEY LOOK LIKE SHUTTERS, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF SHAPED AS, AS THE WINDOWS THAT, THAT, UM, UP AT THE TOP OF THE IMAGE YET. YEAH. IS IS THERE ? YEAH. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF, OF THAT TYPE OF WINDOW BEING INSTALLED IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? UM, WE, WE WOULD ALLOW A SMALLER WINDOW. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BIG MASSIVE WINDOW. UM, WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING WHERE THE PROPORTIONS AND ORIENTATION ARE MORE TRADITIONAL, THAT THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT, YOU KNOW, CASE BY CASE BASIS AND SOME ADDITIONS HAVE BEEN MORE MODERN IN DESIGN AND HAVE BEEN APPROVED THAT WAY. THIS IS THE CASE OF AN EXISTING MODIF, AN EXISTING EDITION WHERE, UH, THE FENESTRATIONS WAS MODIFIED AND SO IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TAKE ON IT. COULD I JUST MAKE A COMMENT AND BEFORE WE START, WE DO ALSO HAVE A VOICEMAIL THAT WE'LL PLAY NOW. I'M SORRY. LET'S PLAY THAT. HI, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF DIGNA WHITTY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH ZERO EIGHT, LOCATED AT TWO 15 MUNSEY. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS. FOOT WOULD LIKE CONFIRMATION FROM OHP AS TO WHETHER THE EIGHT FINAL WINDOWS THAT WERE INSTALLED WERE IN FACT REPLACED WITH WOOD WINDOWS AS STIPULATED FROM THEIR LAST VISIT TO CTAP. AS STATED PREVIOUSLY, THE REMOVAL OF WOOD WINDOWS HAS LONG BEEN A PARTICULAR ISSUE WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND LENIENCY SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN IN THIS CASE AS IT WILL SET PRECEDENCE FOR ALL FUTURE CASES NO MATTER WHAT HISTORIC DISTRICT IT MAY FALL IN. THANK YOU. SO IN LOOKING AT THIS FURTHER, UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME, UM, BUT EDWARD, WHO IS NOT HERE TODAY, UM, AS THE CASE MANAGER AND BASED ON HIS ASSESSMENT, WE DO NOT, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S ANY OUTSTANDING, UM, UH, UH, SITUATIONS WHERE A WOOD WINDOW WAS REPLACED WITH VINYL. WE THINK THAT EVERYTHING WAS PREVIOUSLY REPLACED, AND SO WE DID AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR THAT. SO THE EIGHT VINYL WINDOWS THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED ON BY THE CALLER, AND THERE ARE NONE, WE BELIEVE THAT ONLY NON-ORIGINAL WAS REPLACED WITH VINYL. SO ONE MORE, UH, QUESTION. IF, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WITH, WITH THE WINDOW NOW WHERE THE KITCHEN IS THAT, UM, STAFF IS NOW RECOMMENDING THAT, THAT, UM, WE APPROVE THE WINDOW THERE TO THE RIGHT, THE WINDOW TO THE RIGHT, THE LITTLE ONE, OH WAIT, SORRY. YEAH, YEAH. THE OTHER GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE. YEAH, THAT ONE NO ACTION. THAT ONE WAS THERE, I BELIEVE. AND SO NO ACTION. THAT ONE'S OKAY. SO I'M JUST USING THAT AS, AS A POINT OF REFERENCE. WOULD, WOULD THE HOMEOWNERS BE OPEN? HUH? IT, IT WOULD NOT BE RECOMMENDED IF IT WAS [01:05:01] REQUESTED, BUT THAT WAS AN EXISTING CONDITION AND SO THERE'S NO ACTION THAT'S NEEDED FOR IT. RIGHT. BUT THE STYLE, THE SIZE, IF THE HOMEOWNER WAS OPEN TO IT, WOULD STILL BE DECLINED ON THAT WOULD STILL NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. OKAY. SO CAN I JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO RESPOND TO THAT? I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. YEAH, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY ANALYZE THIS IN THE CONTEXT THAT IT EXISTS. AND THAT IS, THERE ARE OTHER, AS I SHOWED IN THAT SLIDE, THERE'S OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE THAT, THAT FEATURE. AND SO IT WOULDN'T, AS IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THERE'S, IT DOESN'T COMPLETELY CONTRAST THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD CAUSE CHAOS TO KEEP THE WINDOWS AS THEY ARE STAFF. I'D LIKE TO ASK, GOING BACK TO THE WINDOW FACING THE NORTH. SO WHAT ARE Y'ALL RECOMMENDING FOR THAT? SO THE WINDOW TO THE NORTH IS THE ONE ON THE SIDE THAT HAS THE HALF AND FILL. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT NO ACTION IS NEEDED. WE'RE BASICALLY REMOVING IT FROM THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR LONGER THAN TWO YEARS. ALRIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. IT'S DOCUMENTED NOW. LIKE WE, WE, WE, WE WEREN'T SURE BEFORE, LIKE I THINK THERE WAS, LIKE, IT HAD BEEN VERBALLY STATED, BUT THIS IS PRETTY GOOD DOCUMENTATION OF THAT. OKAY. 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE BIG POINT OF CONTENTION LAST TIME, BUT OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, SO I, I, I HEAR YOU AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I EMPATHIZE. MY, MY CONCERN IS, IS, AND, AND IT'S OFF OFTEN BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BODY, IS THAT THERE ARE OTHER STRUCTURES THAT HAVE SIMILAR THINGS OR OTHER, UM, PLACES. AND, AND OUR JOB IS TO EN ENFORCE WHAT, WHAT WE SEE AS ARE THE GUIDELINES. AND SO, UM, E EVEN IF THERE ARE OTHER STRUCTURES THAT HAVE SIMILAR, UM, WINDOWS, UM, SO ESPECIALLY SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING ITEM NUMBER ONE AT ALL ANYMORE, I, I AM INCLINED TO AGREE WITH STAFF WITH NUMBER TWO, UM, BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE ANY WORK ON NUMBER ONE ANYMORE. SO IN TERMS OF JUST EVEN COST AND, AND, AND AN IMPEDIMENT TO, TO THE OWNERS, WE, THEY WOULDN'T BE HAVING TO DO ANY TYPE OF RESTORATION OR CHANGE TO NUMBER ONE. UM, SO I'M, I'M MORE INCLINED TO AGREE WITH STAFF WITH NUMBER TWO. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'VE ALSO SPENT A INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY ALREADY ON THIS HOME AS, AS WE'VE DOCUMENTED LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. SO JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING ONE THING IN ONE DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GETTING A BARGAIN BECAUSE WE'RE STILL, AND STILL HAVE TO PAINT THE HOUSE, STILL HAVE TO KEEP, KEEP MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO THE HOME. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS IN, IN THE LAST HEARING WE JUST HEARD, I ASKED, I HEARD THE QUESTION ASKED BY THE COMMITTEE IS, WHAT IS THE OTHER ITEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK LIKE? AND SO MY CONCERN IS UN UNILATERAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE RULES. SO IF WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE THAT QUESTION, THEN THAT SENDS THE SIGNAL THAT THAT DOES MATTER. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT. NO MA'AM. WE'RE GONNA GO, YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN YOUR RECOMMENDATION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, RECOMMENDATIONS? MADAM CHAIR, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE, THE PRESENTATION AND THE, THE CONTEXT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M JUST WONDERING, UH, I KNOW THERE WEREN'T ADDRESSES, UM, ATTACHED TO THOSE THREE EXAMPLES OF THE HORIZONTAL, RECTANGULAR WINDOWS. IT LOOKS LIKE ONE IS COMMERCIAL AND THE OTHER TWO EXAMPLES MIGHT HAVE BEEN LATER ADDITIONS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE THAT HORIZONTAL WINDOWS DON'T EXIST. UM, THEY OBVIOUSLY DO, UM, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY AND WHAT WAS LIKELY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE ORIGINALLY AND WHAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROPERTY. AND I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE IN THESE OTHER EXAMPLES OF THE ONE ON THE LEFT AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, THE RESIDENTIALS, I SUSPECT THOSE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ORIGINAL. NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I CAN'T REALLY SEE THE ONE ON THE LEFT. UM, THE MIDDLE ONE, THE COMMERCIAL ONE PROBABLY IS, AND THEN THE ONE ON [01:10:01] THE RIGHT LOOKS LIKE A NON-ORIGINAL MODIFICATION, NO TELLING WHEN THAT WAS DONE. UM, OR YEAH, AND AGAIN, THERE WERE NO ADDRESSES BECAUSE THE INTENT WASN'T TO CALL THESE PEOPLE OUT OR, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET THEM AND IT'S JUST LIKE, HEY, THIS IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF WE'RE EVEN SAYING THE MIDDLE ONE IS ORIGINAL, THEN THE, THE CONTEXT MAY BE DIFFERENT THEN BECAUSE MAYBE WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, HORIZONTAL WINDOWS COULD HAVE EXISTED AT THIS TIME. WE JUST DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT. IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT MIDDLE ONE IS ORIGINAL, COREY, SO AT THIS MOMENT, SINCE WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING ONE, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT? SO WHY DON'T WE, YEAH, IT'S ON THE SCREEN. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO TO CREATE THE THREE NEW WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE REAR EDITION. UM, JUST WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT, UM, THE OPENINGS BE, UH, MODIFIED SO THAT THEY'RE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HOUSE. AND THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD THEN WORK WITH US TO PROPOSE THOSE WINDOWS AND WE WOULD REVIEW AND HOPEFULLY APPROVE THEM. I'M READY FOR A MOTION PLEASE. MADAM CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO SIR. NO SIR. YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SIGNED UP AND COME UP AT THIS TIME. I'VE EXCEEDED TIME AND GIVEN MORE TIME TO INITIAL, SO I NOW WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. JUST TO CLARIFY, HE IS PART OWNER, SO HE IS APPLICANT. THAT'S MY HUSBAND. OH YEAH. MY APOLOGIES. PLEASE COME ON UP, SIR. I THANKS FOR HAVING ME AGAIN. UM, I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION, UH, THE INITIAL IDEA FOR THOSE THREE WINDOWS WERE BECAUSE, UH, THAT IS THE FARTHEST ROOM BACK. UM, IT'S THE RESTROOM, IT'S THE BATHROOM AND THEN THERE WAS NO LIGHT. UM, THE DESIGN ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE, UH, I MEAN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHOW ONE OF THE, UH, FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOME. UM, AND I, I KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME THAT TRANSOMS ARE USUALLY, I GUESS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH DOORS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE IN, WE FOUND IN THE INTERIOR OF THE HOME AND THEN ALSO IN THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME. 'CAUSE ALL THE INTERIOR DOORS ALSO HAD TRANSOMS. SO WE JUST KIND OF TOOK THAT SAME IDEA AND SHAPE AND JUST APPLIED IT TO THE EXTERIOR BECAUSE IT MATCHED WHAT WAS INSIDE AND WHAT WAS OUTSIDE. THAT'S WAS THE REASON THEY WERE EVEN THAT SHAPE. GO BACK TO THE FRONT AGAIN. I AM READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, APPROVING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? UH, JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR NUMBER TWO ONLY. RIGHT. AND WE DON'T NEED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ONE. NO. SO JUST, OKAY. YES, I SEC, I SECOND AT THIS TIME, I'D TAKE LIKE TO TAKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. BRI REGARD. AYE. ZER. AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. AND VEDA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR HDRC. CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 5 2 2 50. QUENTIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, RECONSTRUCT THE FIRE DAMAGE ROOF STRUCTURE TO FEATURE A MODIFIED ROOF PITCH AND AN INCREASED RIDGE HEIGHT OVER AN EXISTING SITE EDITION. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROPOSED TO RECONSTRUCT THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CHIMNEY. TWO. MODIFY THE FACADE MATERIALS BY INSTALLING BLACK STUCCO AND WOOD SIDING WITH A NATURAL FINISH. THREE. MODIFY THE FACADE OF THE EXISTING SIDE ADDITION BY INSTALLING A FRONT FACING GARAGE DOOR, A RECESSED BALCONY, WOOD SIDING, AND A FIFTH COLUMN. THE PROPOSED SITE ADDITIONS MASS WILL BE EXTENDED FORWARD TO ALIGN WITH THE PRIMARY FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND FOUR, INSTALL BOTH FRONT YARD AND PRIVACY FENCING. ON SITE. RECOMMENDATION ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROOF STRUCTURE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE SIDE ADDITION SHOULD MAINTAIN A SUBORDINATE RICH HEIGHT AS WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED. TWO. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF A BLACK STUCCO AND UNPAINTED WOOD SIDING ON THE FACADE. AS NOTED IN FINDING, E STAFF [01:15:01] RECOMMENDS THE EXISTING FACADE MATERIALS BE MAINTAINED AND MATCHED OR THAT AN ARCHITECTURALLY AND HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL BE PROPOSED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THREE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST ITEMS IDENTIFIED IN ITEM NUMBER THREE AS THEY HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING. G. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE'S FOOTPRINT REMAIN AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS AND NOT BE BROUGHT FORWARD. TWO, THAT THE FACADE MATERIAL SHOULD MATCH THE EXISTING ON SITE OR THAT AN ARCHITECTURALLY AND HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL BE PROPOSED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THE PROPOSED UNFINISHED WOOD SIDING IS NOT APPROPRIATE. THREE. THAT ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, NOTING THE INSTALLATION PROFILE AND DEPTH OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOOR AND FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED FIFTH COLUMN BE ELIMINATED. FOUR. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. FENCING AS PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCING IS NOT FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THIS BLOCK OF QUENTIN AND IS NOT COMMON WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT FIND THE INSTALLATION OF A FRONT YARD FENCE TO BE APPROPRIATE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PRIVACY AND FENCING INSTALLED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. A FINAL SITE PLAN NOTING EXACT FENCING LOCATIONS IS TO BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY IF NECESSARY. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, MAZIAR AND TAMI IS WITH US IN PERSON. AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL. GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS AZI AMI. I'M THE OWNER OF, UH, 2 5 0 ENTIN DRIVE. . APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE, BUT I'M REQUESTING TO POSTPONE. POSTPONE. YEAH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE NEXT MEETING. UM, WE WANTED TO HAVE HIM COME DO THIS ON THE RECORD. UM, AND IT'S UP TO YOU, UH, CHAIR. WE DO HAVE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS AND SO THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, WE CAN HEAR THOSE. UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UM, TO STAFF, IF WE HEAR, UM, THE COMMENTS, UM, THEN WILL WE HAVE TO THEN ACT ON THE, UM, MOTION? NO, YOUR, YOUR MOTION COULD BE TO POSTPONE. I'D LIKE TO HONOR THE POSTPONE, BUT MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE COMMENTS, BUT IF WE HEAR THE COMMENTS, THAT DOESN'T GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL SUPPORT. THAT'S INTERESTING. YEAH, NO. 'CAUSE IF HE'S, IF HE'S ASKING FOR A POSTPONING, THEN HE SHOULD BE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING ANY OTHER, OTHER INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE UNJUST TO HIM RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WE WILL HONOR THE POSTPONING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE ALL. SO WE DO NEED IT MADAM CHAIR. UM, POINT OF WE NEED A MOTION. OKAY. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS CASE. I NEED A SECOND. AND UNTIL THE NEXT CTA MEETING, I'LL SECOND. THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE THIS CASE TO THE, OUR NEXT CTAP I'D LIKE TO TAKE, UM, ROLL CALL VOTE BRI REGARD. AYE. ZER AYE. FULLERTON AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND VELA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE H-D-R-C-C TAB, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 68 12 31 EAST CROCKETT STREET. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. TWO. ONE CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT FOOT TALL WOOD REAR PRIVACY FENCE. TWO. CONSTRUCT A SIX FOOT TALL WOOD PRIVATELY FENCE ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE AT THE FRONT YARD. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT APPLICANT CONSTRUCT A FOUR FOOT TALL WOOD OPEN PICKET FENCE AT THE FRONT YARD AND A REAR FENCE NOT EXCEEDING SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND NOT TO EXTEND PAST THE FRONT FACADE. UM, ONE NOTE, IF THE CTAP APPROVES THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TODAY, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THE APP APPLICANT MICHAEL LEWIS IS HERE VIRTUALLY. THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. OKAY. SO I SEE A COUPLE PHONE NUMBERS THAT COULD BE MICHAEL LEWIS. UM, I JUST MADE ONE OF YOU, UM, A PANELIST SO THAT YOU CAN MUTE SINCE [01:20:01] YOU'RE ON YOUR PHONE. YOU CAN HIT STAR SIX, I BELIEVE. SO THIS IS THE CALLER WITH A TWO ONE. OH YEAH. IS THIS MICHAEL LEWIS? YES. YES. AWESOME. SO IF YOU'D LIKE MR. LEWIS, YOU CAN, UH, PRESENT YOUR CASE TO THE COMMISSION. ABSOLUTELY. THANKS EVERYBODY FOR, UM, HEARING OUR SIDE OF THIS STORY. UM, WE'RE REPRESENTING 1231 EAST CROCKETT HERE, INW HILL. THIS FENCE WOULD GIVE US A FEW THINGS. IT'S GONNA GIVE US THE NEEDED PHYSICAL BOUNDARY FOR THE STRAY ANIMALS, THE VANDALISM THEFT, AND ALLEGED ARC IN WHICH WE KNOW IS BECOMING AN ISSUE. REPLACE THE, UH, FAILING CHAIN LINK FENCE AND JUST IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIVES HERE BECAUSE THESE ARE SMALL LOTS AND WE WANT TO ENJOY THE OUTDOOR SPACE. WE BELIEVE THAT THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN THE REAR IS ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND US HAVE AN ELEVATION ON THEIR GROUND FLOOR THAT'S GREATER THAN THE FOUR FEET AT THE FENCE LINE. AND BECAUSE THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS THAT EXCEPTION, WE BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED FOR OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE THE TWO NEIGHBORS IN THE BACK DO HAVE THOSE HIGH ELEVATIONS. SO BECAUSE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, EXCEPT EXCEPTION NUMBER FIVE, THAT'S THE REASON WE BELIEVE THEY FOOT FENCE SHOULD BE SUPPORTED. AS FAR AS THE, THE SIX FOOT FENCE IN THE FRONT, THE CHURCH TWO DOORS DOWN HAS THAT SAME EXACT SIX FOOT FENCE. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO AREAS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, UM, RESOLVED TODAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND STAFF WILL PLAY OUR, UM, PLAY THE VOICEMAIL. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE EZ AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE DIG WITTY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 68 LOCATED AT 1231 EAST CROCKETT STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO NOT ALLOW THE BUILDING OF AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON THE EAST, WEST AND NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND A SIX FOOT FENCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THE ARGUMENT THAT THE GROUND FLOOR ELEVATION OF EITHER THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY OR THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING ON AN ABUTTING LOT IS AT LEAST FOUR FEET HIGHER THAN THE ELEVATION AT THE SHARED LOT LINE DOES NOT APPLY BECAUSE THE HOUSE BEHIND HIM IS NOT ON THE LOT LINE. IT LOOKS TO BE A MINIMUM OF AT LEAST 10 FEET FROM THE LOT LINE. IN ADDITION, THE FENCE AT THE CHURCH AT 1239 EAST CROCKETT STREET MAY HAVE QUALIFIED FOR A HIGHER FENCE HEIGHT BECAUSE IT IS A CHURCH. THANK YOU. CAN I COMPLETE THE VOICEMAILS AT THIS TIME? ID LIKE TO, UH, THIS IS THE APPLICANT AGAIN. MAY I HAVE AN, UH, ANOTHER COMMENT? GO AHEAD, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, THE, THE CODE AS WE READ IT DOES NOT SAY THAT THE HOUSE IS ON THE LOT LINE. IT TALKS ABOUT THE FENCE, UH, THE SHARED LOT LINE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GROUND FLOOR AND THAT LINE THAT DIVIDES THE PROPERTY IS GREATER THAN FOUR FEET. AND AS WE MAY SEE IN THE PHOTOS, THERE ARE TWO LOTS THAT ABOVE THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY AND THE ONE, UM, THEY'RE BOTH GREATER THAN FOUR FEET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. I'LL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS. ARE THERE ANY, I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR. UM, FOR THE FENCING, THEY'RE REQUESTING EIGHT FEET ON BOTH THE, THE REAR AND AND SIDES. UM, IS THERE A VARIATION WHERE A SIX FOOT FENCE WOULD BE APPROVED ON THE REAR AND SIDES? SURE. SO, UM, STAFF IS ABLE TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE A SIX FOOT TALL, UH, REAR WOOD PRIVACY FENCE SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T EXTEND PAST THE FRONT FACADE OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, CONFORMING TO HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND YOU DO SEE REQUIREMENTS. AND WAS THIS OPTION, UM, PROPOSED TO THE HOMEOWNER AND THE HOMEOWNER DECLINED? UM, THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. COMMISSIONER, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, REQUESTED THE A FOOT TALL FENCE FOR THE, FOR THE REASONS, UM, MENTIONED DURING THEIR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CLARIFICATIONS? YEAH, I HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO THE RECOMMENDATION AS WRITTEN IS FOREFOOT, BUT YOU COULD ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE UP TO SIX. IS THAT, AM I QUOTING THAT CORRECTLY? FOR THE FRONT YARD FENCE, UM, THE, ACCORDING TO THE FENCE POLICY DOCUMENT, IT SHOULD BE, UH, NO GREATER THAN FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AND HAVE AN OPEN DESIGN. UM, THAT DOES ALLOW FOR A VARIATION [01:25:01] OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF FENCE STYLES, WHETHER IT BE OPEN WOOD PICKET OR, UM, YOU KNOW, A GARDEN LOOP FENCE. UH, HOWEVER, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE WITH A CLOSED PICKET DESIGN, UM, DOES NOT ADHERE TO GUIDELINES. SO ON THE SCREEN, THE BLUE PART IS THE SIX FOOT FENCE THAT'S IN THE FRONT YARD SPACE THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING BEING LOWER TO ALLOWABLE FRONT YARD HEIGHT, WHICH IS FOUR FEET AND AN OPEN DESIGN. UM, IF IT NEEDS TO BE SOLID THEN THREE FEET IS AS HIGH AS IT CAN GO, BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS JUST THAT IT MEET THE FRONT YARD POLICY AND THEN EVERYWHERE ELSE YOU SEE IN RED SIX FOOT IS NORMALLY ALLOWED. HE'S REQUESTING EIGHT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS? I'LL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION PLEASE. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE, UH, YES, APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE REGARD. AYE, SET SIR? AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. SMITH AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND VELA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU MR. LEWIS. I WILL REACH OUT TO YOU BY EMAIL WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE BUSINESS DAYS FOR NEXT STEPS. PARDON ME? WAS THE LETTER READ THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS WELL? CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? WAS THERE A LETTER THAT WAS READ AS PART OF THE COMMENT? I, I DIDN'T, I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY SAID THERE WAS A LETTER BUT I DIDN'T HEAR IT. I DON'T, WE HAD A VOICEMAIL THAT WAS PLAYED, UM, AND THE VOICEMAIL WAS IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. AND, AND THE LETTER TOO WAS, UM, AVAILABLE FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW PRIOR TO TODAY'S MEETING. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT CASE, CTA CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 180 1 4 0 2 EAST ATCH. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE, REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR WITH A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW. TWO, REMOVE THE EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY AND RELOCATE IT TO THE RIGHT THREE. REMOVE THE RIGHT BRICK PLINTH ON THE FRONT PORCH AND EXTEND THE LEFT BRICK PLINTH TO CREATE A NEW LOW BRICK WALL ON THE FRONT PORCH. REMOVE AND RELOCATE WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION AND REMOVE AN EXISTING REAR DECK AND CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 24 BY 13 AND THREE QUARTERS REAR WOOD FRAME SCREENED IN PORCH. UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, UH, REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING REAR DECK AND CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR SCREENED AND PORCH BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION BE REDUCED SO THAT THE ROOF FORM OF THE ADDITION IS SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY ROOF FORM IS NOTED IN FINDING GE. UM, SO REGARDING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR, UM, THIS PROPERTY, UH, FIRST APPEARS IN, UH, SAN ANTONIO CITY DIRECTORIES IN 1924 AS A DUPLEX ADDRESSED FOUR HUNDRED AND FOUR OH TWO EAST ATCH. AND SO THE TWO DOORS THAT ARE ON EITHER END OF THAT FRONT FACADE ARE A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF AN HISTORIC DUPLEX, WHICH IS WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING RETENTION OF IT. UM, STAFF HAS OFFERED AS A SOLUTION AS WE OFTEN DO IN CASES WHERE FOLKS WANT TO ENCLOSE A FRONT DOOR, UM, THAT THEY RETAIN THE DOOR ON THE EXTERIOR, BUT DRY WALLET IN ON THE INTERIOR, UM, TO REMOVE THAT DOOR CONDITION ON THE INTERIOR, WHICH STAFF OHP STAFF WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER BECAUSE IT WOULD BE AN INTERIOR MODIFICATION. UM, YEAH, AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, OR I'M SORRY, THE OWNER TYLER WARREN HERE IN PERSON. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT, JANELLE PATRICK, AVAILABLE VIA WEBEX. UH, TYLER, IF YOU WANNA COME UP. GOOD MORNING. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. HI, GOOD MORNING. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. I'M, I'M TYLER WARREN, THE HOMEOWNER. UM, WE WERE CAME A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, TWO FOR SIMILAR ISSUES. UM, KEEPING THE FRONT DOOR, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. UM, NOT A BIG DEAL. I FIGURED WE'D PROBABLY NEED TO KEEP IT ANYWAY. UM, MONTE VISTA WANTED US TO KEEP IT TOO. UM, OUT OF THE FOUR THINGS MENTIONED, UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT TO US IS, UM, SWAPPING THOSE BANK OF WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE. UM, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THEM, BUT THERE'S A BANK OF THREE WINDOWS AND THEN A SINGLE WINDOW. TODAY, THAT SINGLE WINDOW IS IN, UH, THE KITCHEN. BUT AFTER WE RENOVATE, IF WE ARE UNABLE TO SWAP THOSE WINDOWS, [01:30:01] THAT ONE WINDOW WILL END UP IN A CHILD'S BEDROOM AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE CODE BECAUSE IT'S TOO HIGH AND IT'S TOO SMALL. AND SO, UM, AND, AND KEEP THEM OBVIOUSLY, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. IF WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT ONE WINDOW THERE, WE'LL HAVE TO PUT ANOTHER WINDOW IN THAT BEDROOM, WHICH I THINK WOULD MAKE IT LOOK LESS, UM, IN KEEPING WITH THE REST OF THE, THE, THE HOUSE. AND ALSO ON THAT EAST SIDE, YOU CAN'T SEE THOSE WINDOWS FROM THE FRONT, UM, OR EXCUSE ME, FROM THE STREET, UH, THAT IS ON THE SIDE OF, UM, OUR NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY WITH MULTIPLE TREES ON THAT SIDE THAT SEPARATE OUR PROPERTIES. UH, SO YOU IT IT'S REALLY NOT VISIBLE AT ALL. AND THERE, THERE MIGHT BE A ALSO A, IN THAT DRAWING IT SHOWS, UM, A DOOR WITH A, A LANDING THAT IS ACTUALLY THE WEST SIDE. THAT'S THE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE EAST AS THE, AS THE STREET VIEW SHOWS. THERE'S NO, THERE'S ACTUALLY NO DOOR OR LANDING ON THE EAST SIDE. I LIKE TO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER NO LETTERS? NO NOTHING. OKAY. NO LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND CLARIFICATION. JESSICA, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU WALK US THROUGH EACH OF THE ASKS. UH, SURE, I CAN DO THAT. UM, SO, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, LEMME PULL BACK UP MY CASE FILE HERE. UM, WE'LL GET RID OF THE, THE LOW HANGING FRUIT FIRST. HANGING FRUIT FIRST. UH, SO THEY'RE REQUESTING AN ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. THERE'S JUST AN EXISTING BACK DECK HERE. UH, STAFF ROUTINELY APP ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVES REAR ADDITIONS LIKE THIS. UM, BUT THE UDC ASKS THAT ADDITIONS BE SUBORDINATE TO THE HISTORIC, UH, MASS OF A STRUCTURE. AND SO WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO BASICALLY JUST DROP DOWN THAT ROOF LINE SO THAT IT'S SUBORDINATE TO, UH, THE MAIN ROOF LINE OF THE HOUSE. UM, THAT'S ITEM FIVE. UM, AS FAR AS MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, UM, SO THE APPLICANT FOR NUMBER ONE IS REQUESTING TO REPLACE, UH, THIS FRONT DOOR THAT MIRRORS THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, WITH A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW. UM, IT'S A REQUEST WE SEE QUITE OFTEN. I TOLD YOU WHAT WE TYPICALLY SUGGEST IN THIS SITUATION IS TO INFILL FROM THE INTERIOR. UM, BUT HE'S ALSO NOW STATING THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE RETAINING THE DOOR, SO THAT'S FINE. UM, FOR ITEM TWO, UH, REMOVING AN EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY. SO, UM, PART OF SORT OF THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF, OF THIS STRUCTURE IS THAT THE WALKWAY, UM, CURRENTLY LEADS TO THE CENTER OF THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS SORT OF INTENDED TO BE A DUPLEX. UM, THIS MAY ALSO BE RELATED TO THE FRONT DOOR, SO THIS MIGHT ALSO BE SOMETHING THEY ALTER. BUT UM, THIS WALKWAY IS A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE AND FOR ANY HISTORIC PROPERTY WE UH, RECOMMEND RETENTION OF THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT FOR FRONT WALKWAYS. UM, FOR ITEM THREE, REMOVING THESE BRICK PLINTHS. SO THERE ARE UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT IN THIS PHOTO, THIS BRICK PLINTH IS MIRRORED ON THIS SIDE OF THE FRONT PORCH. UM, AGAIN, SORT OF CONTRIBUTING TO THAT UH, SYMMETRY THAT THE HOUSE HAS BECAUSE OF ITS DUPLEX NATURE. UM, AND SO THAT RETENTION KIND OF CREATES A FALSE, OR I'M SORRY, THE EXTENSION OF THE LEFT BRICK PLINTH KIND OF CREATES A FALSE FRONT PORCH CONDITION, UM, THAT ISN'T HISTORICALLY PRESENT ON THE HOUSE. AND SO WE'RE SUGGESTING RETENTION OF IT AS IS. UM, AND THEN REMOVING AND RELOCATING WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED MOVING THIS GAINED THREE WINDOWS, UH, TO REPLACE THIS ONE WINDOW HERE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. OR IS IT JUST LITERALLY MOVING ONE WINDOW, THE THREE WINDOW BANK AND THAT SINGLE WINDOW BANK WILL JUST BE SWAPPED. GOTCHA. IN. UM, AND I THINK, UH, NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THE SORT OF EGRESS ISSUE AND COREY CAN POP IN IF I'M WRONG, UM, STAFF MIGHT BE AMENABLE TO, UM, RATHER THAN REPLACING THE ONE WINDOW, THREE WINDOWS IS POSSIBLY MIMICKING THE SIZE OF THE FENESTRATION OF THE, THE GANG PAR GANG GROUP OF WINDOWS. SO BASICALLY RATHER THAN REMOVING ALL OF THESE WINDOWS, YOU COULD INCREASE THE SIZE OF THIS OPENING AND USE THIS WINDOW SIZE, JUST ALTER THIS ONE LOCATION INSTEAD OF SWAPPING THREE WINDOWS FOR ONE. SO SOMETHING THAT I THINK STAFF COULD, COULD SUPPORT. SO ENLARGING THAT SINGLE WINDOW EXACTLY SO THAT IT'S NOT MODIFYING THE PATTERN, IT'S JUST MODIFYING, MODIFYING THE SIZE OF THAT ONE WINDOW [01:35:02] THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE TODAY, YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT . OKAY. OKAY. UM, IS THAT THE ONE IN THE CHILD'S ROOM? SO THIS IS THIS RIGHT HERE THAT MIDDLE SHOWS WHAT THE RESULTING SWAP WOULD LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? SO CURRENTLY THE THREE WINDOWS ARE ON THE RIGHT AND THE LITTLE ONE'S ON THE LEFT, HE'S SHOWING THE FINAL PROPOSED CONDITION. I GOT YOU. I APOLOGIZE. LET ME PULL UP A PHOTO OF THAT SIDE. OKAY. MAKING SURE I WASN'T CRAZY , I THINK PROBABLY THE SUGGESTION STILL STANDS. YEAH, SO IT WOULD RETURN IT TO THE, THE GAINED PAIR WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ARE. AND THEN THAT SINGLE WINDOW WOULD BE ALTERED, UH, TO BE THE SAME SORT OF SIZE, UH, HEIGHT AND WIDTH OF THESE GANG WINDOWS OF ONE, ONE OF THESE GANG WINDOWS. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? SORRY, GO BACK TO THE DRAWINGS REAL QUICK. YOU CAN LEAVE ALL THE WINDOWS WHERE THEY ARE. SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE THREE WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT AND THE SINGLE WINDOW ON THE LEFT, BUT THAT SINGLE WINDOW ON THE LEFT WHERE THE BEDROOM IS COULD BE ENLARGED TO BE THE SAME SIZE AS EVERYTHING ELSE. SAME HEIGHT FOR THE EGRESS ISSUE. AND THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. WE, WE HANDLE KIND OF MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO TO WINDOW ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATIVELY. OKAY. UH, WHERE THOSE THREE BANK OF WINDOWS ARE NOW WOULD BE A BATHROOM. SO THEY WOULD BE CLOSED IN OR LIKELY WOULDN'T BE UTILIZED AS THEY ARE TODAY. AND THAT'S ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE IF THAT PRESENTED PROBLEMS FOR THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND IN FILLING THEM FROM THE INSIDE AND LEAVING THE WINDOWS EXPOSED ON THE OUTSIDE. KIND OF LIKE THE FRONT DOOR RECOMMENDATION? CORRECT. IF THE RIGHT UNIT MIMICS THE, UH, FENESTRATION OF THE LEFT UNIT, THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT IMAGE EIGHT AND THAT MIGHT HELP WITH THE VISIBILITY. YEAH, EXCELLENT SUGGESTION. THANK YOU . SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING ENLARGE THE EXISTING WINDOW, YOU WOULD ENLARGE IT TO MATCH THE DIMENSIONS OF ONE OF THE OTHER ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. I MEAN ULTIMATELY THAT'S NOT THE REQUEST TODAY. AND SO JUST TAKE ACTION, YOU KNOW, OF THE REQUEST ON FACE VALUE AND THEN WE CAN STILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IF YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF IT'S DENIED, HE CAN COME TO US WITH AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO. SO WHICH ONE DO WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON? CAN WE TAKE ACTION ON RIGHT NOW? ALL, ALL FIVE ITEMS, WHAT WE JUST DISCUSS, WE NEED TO TAKE JUST OUTTA LINE WITH I'M SORRY, SORRY. UH, THE ONES WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON ARE THE ROOF LINE, THE DOOR AND THE WALKWAY AND THE PLINTH. CORRECT. UH, AND ALSO THE WINDOWS, ALL ITEMS, IT'S JUST THAT ITEM ONE HE'S AGREED TO TO STAFF STIPULATIONS. SO THE WINDOWS ARE STILL UP FOR, ARE STILL PART OF THE REQUEST. AND IF YOU DENY THE REQUEST AS SUBMITTED TODAY OR AS SHOWN TODAY, HE CAN STILL WORK WITH STAFF TOWARDS AN ADMINISTRATIVE RESOLUTION OR HE CAN BRING ANOTHER OPTION BACK TO C TTAB FOR A REVIEW CHAIR. SO DID YOU DROP THE ROOF LANE OF THE THE BACK ADDITION? YEAH. SO THAT'S NOT PART OF LIKE OUR PLANS INITIALLY RIGHT NOW, SO THAT'S FINE. THAT'S, YOU HAD A QUESTION MA'AM? UH, NO, I THINK I WAS JUST GONNA, I THINK I WAS JUST GONNA ADD TO THE CONVERSATION THAT I, I THINK STAFF IS SAYING WE DO NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON ALL FIVE, BUT WE CAN EITHER DENY OR ACCEPT AND IF WE DENY ONE THEY JUST, THE OWNER JUST HAS TO GO BACK AND START ON THAT ONE AGAIN. AM I CORRECT? AM I THAT'S CORRECT. STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH HIM TOWARDS THE SOLUTION. OKAY. SO IF WE DENY HE GOES, WE GO BACK AND WORK ON THE SOLUTION, BUT WE CAN AL WE CAN ALSO APPROVE WITH STIPULATION THAT STAFF WORKS WITH THE WINDOWS. I THINK THAT IS UNNECESSARY. I THINK IT'S SORT OF THE SAME THING. CLARIFY SOME A VOTE, A VOTE TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE WINDOW RELOCATION AS SHOWN IN THE PLANS TODAY. JUST BOUNCES IT BACK TO HIM TO PRESENT STAFF WITH ANOTHER OPTION. AND WE'RE JUST REMOVING JUST THE WINDOWS. WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANYTHING FROM THE REQUEST. I MEAN JUST DENIED JUST THE WINDOWS [01:40:01] BUT, BUT RECOMMEND THE OTHER FOUR. BRIAN, CAN YOU PUT STAFFS RECOMMEND, CAN YOU PUT THE, THE FIRST SLIDE ON THE SCREEN THAT HAS THE FIVE REQUEST ITEMS? YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE IT SEPARATELY. YEAH, SO ZOOM IN WHERE WE CAN READ 'EM ALL. SO ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ANY OF THESE. ITEM FIVE IS THE REAR ADDITION AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE, THE ROOF LINE BE DROPPED. HE'S AGREED TO THAT. UM, ITEM ONE, HE'S AGREED TO IT SO A DENIAL DOESN'T PHASE HIM RIGHT. UM, TWO AND THREE. A DENIAL WOULD, UH, REQUIRE HIM TO ADJUST HIS PLANS. DENIAL OF ITEM FOUR, SAME THING, BUT HE COULD COME BACK TO US WITH AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD BE ENLARGING THESE EXISTING WINDOWS OR SOMETHING THAT'S MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. I HAD LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS ALIGNED AND THAT IS FOR ASKING MY COLLEAGUE TO RECOMMENDING DENIAL. YES. TO NOT APPROVE, TO SUPPORT THE NON RECOMMENDATION OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR AND THEN APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE WITH THE STIPULATION STATED. I'LL SECOND MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR IN A SECOND. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL. VOTE REGARD. AYE. SETZER AYE. FULLERTON AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. AND VEDA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THIS ONE WAS A QUICK POINT OF INFORMATION. UH, WHEN THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT ARISES REGARDING UM, SAFE FENESTRATION SIZE AND, UH, EGRESS AND, AND UH, GETTING SOMETHING UP TO CODE WHEN THERE'S A MAJOR RENOVATION, ARE THERE CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS? UM, YES. UM, WITH EGRESS WE ALWAYS TRY TO WORK WITH IT. UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE INTERIOR FLOOR PLAN AND IN MANY CASES THERE'S EXISTING BEDROOMS THAT DON'T COMPLY AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE WHEN YOU'RE CREATING A BEDROOM ON THE INTERIOR THAT NOW REQUIRES THE EGRESS. IT'S KIND LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO IT, BUT WE ARE ALSO NOT OBLIGATED TO SAY THERE HAS TO BE A BEDROOM HERE EITHER. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN HDRC. CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 7 4 2 26 CLUB. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A 641 SQUARE FOOT DECOMPOSED GRANITE PARKING AREA TO THE EAST OF THE DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT YARD. AS YOU'LL SEE IN FINDING B, FRONT YARD PARKING INSTALLATION GUIDELINE FIVE B ONE FOR SITE ELEMENTS STATES THAT HISTORIC DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION SHOULD BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. SIMILAR DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATIONS MATERIAL WITHIN DESIGN SHOULD BE INCORPORATED TO THAT HISTORICALLY FOUND ON THE SITE. HISTORIC DRIVEWAYS ARE TYPICALLY NO WIDER THAN 10 FEET. ADDITIONALLY, GUIDELINE SEVEN A TWO FOR SITE ELEMENTS ADVISES APPLICANTS NOT TO ADD OFF STREET PARKING AREAS WITHIN THE FRONT YARD. SETBACK AS TO NOT DISRUPT THE CONTINUITY OF THE STREETS. SCAPE STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD PARKING AREA INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B. UH, COMMISSIONERS THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER DID EMAIL STAFF THIS MORNING TO STATE THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE HEARING TODAY. ORIGINALLY THEY WOULD ATTEND VIRTUALLY. UM, HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT. THERE ARE A RESIDENTS SIGNED IN TO SPEAK AND IT IS, UM, UP TO THE COMMISSION'S DISCRETION WHETHER OR NOT YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE, MOVE FORWARD TO HEAR THE REQUEST TODAY WITHOUT THE APPLICANT PRESENT OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THE REQUEST. MADAM CHAIR, I RECOMMEND POSTPONEMENT IS THE APP. LET ME A QUESTION IF THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY SUBMIT, SENT IN A VOICEMAIL ABOUT THE REQUEST, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT SIGNED IN TO SPEAK IN PERSON. SO RESIDENTS HAVE, UM, HAVE UH, ATTENDED IN PERSON TO SPEAK TO THIS REQUEST. THE APPLICANT, UH, IS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY ARE NOT PRESENT AT THE HEARING TODAY, BUT WE CAN YEAH, YOU HAVE AN ITEM ON THE YEAH, YOU HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. YOU CAN TAKE ANY ACTION. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NO FORMAL POLICY THAT YOU HAVE TO POSTPONE IT IF THE APPLICANT ISN'T PRESENT. UM, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK TO WHAT THE HDRC USUALLY DOES AS THEY WILL TYPICALLY POSTPONE TO ALLOW FOR THE APPLICANT TO ATTEND, UM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE A POSTPONEMENT HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. OKAY. CORRECT. SO IF THE APPLICANT'S NOT ASKING FOR A PO POSTPONEMENT MADAM CHAIR I'D, I'D ASK THAT WE, UH, GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. [01:45:01] I CONCUR. WELL, LET'S HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. UM, SO FIRST IS BIANCA MALDONADO. MS. MALDONADO RECEIVED SIX MINUTES. TOM SIMMONS AND ROBIN FOSTER ARE HERE AND HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME. BIANCA MALDONADO. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING US PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS CASE. UM, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR WANTING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME. UH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE CHALLENGES WHEN YOU GET INTO HISTORIC HOMES WITH RESPECT TO YOUR SITE AND YOUR OFF STREET PARKING CONDITIONS. WE NOTE THAT THIS BLOCK OF CLUB DRIVE RECEIVED NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, NEW SIDEWALKS AND DRIVEWAY APPROACHES, UH, EIGHT YEARS AGO. AND IN THAT KEEPING, UH, THEY PROVIDED A MORE WIDER APRON APPROACH. THIS PROPERTY IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S ALMOST A QUARTER ACRE LOT, SO IT PROVIDES A, A, A UNIQUE DEPTH TO THE PARKING CONDITIONS WHICH WIDEN BEHIND THE, THE LOCATION OF THE FRONT FENCE. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL BECAUSE WE FEEL AS THOUGH THE ADDITION OF THE FRONT YARD PARKING IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO UTILIZE ALL THE ADDITIONAL PARKING AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY. SO BEHIND THAT FENCE, THE DRIVEWAY GOES FROM A SINGLE CAR TO OH, ALMOST A TWO AND A HALF TO THREE CAR WITH A CONCRETE, UH, APPROACH AT THE REAR. WE REALIZE THAT EVERYBODY'S HOME, UH, HOW THEY OPERATE THEIR HOME IS UNIQUE. UM, BUT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT EVALUATION BEFORE ADDING ADDITIONAL FRONT, UH, YARD PARKING. IT WOULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF HARDSCAPE IN THE FRONT YARD WITH THE REMOVAL OF THAT SIDE YARD, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION. SO WE ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS? CLARIFICATIONS? MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY QUESTION FOR THE STAFF, IF THE REQUEST WAS TO EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY INTO A MORE PERMANENT STRUCTURE, WOULD THAT HAVE, UH, BEEN APPROVED OR WOULD IT STILL HAVE BEEN DECLINED? BASED ON THE GUIDELINES? PER THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, DRIVEWAY SHOULD NOT EXCEED A WIDTH OF 10 FEET, WHICH THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS ESSENTIALLY 10 FEET WIDE. AND SO, UM, WIDENING THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD NOT, UH, STAFF WOULD NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT SCOPE OF WORK. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CLARIFICATIONS, HEARING NONE? I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, DENY THE APPLICATION. SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? YES. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE A SECOND, I'LL SECOND MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. AND A SEC AND A SECONDS ON THE FLOOR. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL. VOTE REGARD. AYE. SETZER AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. SMITH. AYE. VAZQUEZ AYE. AND VEDA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM PLEASE. HDRC CASE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 63 1, UH, 2 71 WEST WILDWOOD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INFILL THE EXISTING FRONT FACING GARAGE DOOR OPENING WITH HORIZONTAL COMPOSITE LAP SIDING. AND INSTEAD OF GAINED ONE OVER ONE VINYL WINDOWS, STEPH RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FO OF THE REMOVAL OF THE GARAGE DOORS AND INFILL BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT AN ALTERNATIVE CLADDING MATERIAL BE PROPOSED, NAMELY A PANELING THAT MIMIC THE APPEARANCE OF GARAGE DOORS BASED ON FINDING B AND C TWO THAT THE APPLICANT REVISED THE PROPOSED PENETRATION PATTERN TO PROPOSED WINDOW OPENINGS THAT CONFORM WITH THE WINDOWS THAT MIGHT BE NORMALLY FOUND ON GARAGE DOORS BASED ON FINDING D [01:50:01] AND THREE, THAT THE WINDOW MATERIAL BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR THE NEW WINDOWS, INCLUDING INSTALLATION DEPTH BASED ON FINDING D THE REPRESENTATIVE JIMMY LOPEZ IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY AND THERE ARE NO LETTERS, NO SPEAKERS OR NO VOICEMAILS. OKAY. I BELIEVE I HAVE JIMMY LOPEZ AND JULIA CASTILLO. UM, JUST UNMUTE YOURSELF. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONERS. JULIE, ARE YOU THERE? UH, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, JIMMY. OH HEY, SORRY I HAD TO UNMUTE MYSELF. I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO DO THAT. HI, GOOD MORNING. I'M HERE. ALRIGHT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT YOUR ITEM? SURE. ARE ARE WE ABLE TO BEGIN RIGHT NOW? YEAH, GO FOR IT. OKAY, SURE. I WASN'T FORMALITY FIRST OF ALL, FORWARD, UH, FOR LISTENING TO OUR CASE AND, UH, ALLOW US TO PRESENT OUR SITUATION. UM, I KNOW, UM, MY AUNT JULIE'S GARAGE DOOR HAD BROKE, SO WE HAD KIND OF WERE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE WITH SOME OF THE THEFT AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE GOING ON. UM, BUT IN, IN THAT PROCESS I HAD, WE HAD BEEN SPEAKING WITH CLAUDIA THERE AT THE, UH, HISTORICAL SOCIETY JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST MEANS TO GET THAT, UH, ADJUSTED PROPERTY. SO, UH, WE'VE SENT DOCUMENTATIONS FOR ELEVATIONS AND I THINK WE WERE GIVEN, GIVEN, UH, SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH, UH, THE OPTION A OR B FOR WHAT, UH, THE PANEL HAS FOR YOU'RE SAYING YOU AGREE WITH STAFF'S, UH, YOU, YOU COULD CONFORM TO STAFF'S SITUATIONS ACCOMMODATION, CORRECT? YES. I THINK WE, WE HAD, UH, BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH, UM, KA CLAUDIA AS FAR AS UH, WHAT WOULD MEET THE HISTORICAL, UH, STANDARDS AND UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING FORWARD COMMUNICATION AND UM, OBVIOUSLY WE PUT THOSE WINDOWS THERE WITHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OR WITH THE INTENT TO PREVENT ANYBODY FROM COMING INTO THE LAUNDRY ROOM. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE IS, UM, STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FOLLOW. SO, UH, WHENEVER WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH CLAUDIA AS FAR AS WHAT OUR OPTIONS WERE, UM, WE HAD TO KEEP IT WITH THE HISTORICAL PRESENTATION OF WHAT IT SAID. SO, UM, WHENEVER WE WERE IN CONVERSATION WITH CLAUDIA, UM, YOU HAVE TO REMAIN WITH A GARAGE LOOK. OKAY. SO IF, IF THE MOTION WERE TO APPROVE STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, THAT WOULD GIVE THE APPLICANT OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US ON AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN, UM, AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD APPROVE ANYTHING THAT WAS WITHIN THOSE STIPULATIONS. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU BOTH TO YOU BEING PRESENT. UM, ARE THERE ANY CLARIFICATIONS OR QUESTIONS HEARING THAT? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. UH, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS WRITTEN. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE REGARD. AYE. ZER? AYE. FULLERTON AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND S BEVA? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU BOTH. NO THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE HDRZ TAB, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 180 2 3 28 MADISON STREET. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A STEEL PLANTER BOX ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE FRONT FACADE TO MEASURE 18 INCHES IN HEIGHT. TWO, CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT BY EIGHT FOOT PLANTER BOX SURROUNDING THE FRONT YARD TREE TO MEASURE 18 INCHES IN HEIGHT. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT PURSUE A LOW PROFILE LANDSCAPE EDGING FOR THE DESIRED DESIGN. THE APPLICANT STEVEN MORENO, IS HERE IN PERSON AND THERE IS ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. AND MR. MORENO, IF YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE, THE PODIUM, PLEASE [01:55:03] JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF. OKAY. I'M STEVEN MORENO. I'M THE OWNER OF, UH, SM LANDSCAPES. UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, IS THERE ANY WAY OF GETTING THE PICTURES I HAVE ON THE IPAD ON HERE MAYBE? YEAH, . SO, UM, THE INTENTION OF THE PLANTER BOX IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, WORK INTO THE LANDSCAPE IS TO PROVIDE DIMENSION, UM, AND PLANTING SPACES AROUND THE TREE. UM, THE PICTURE THAT'S, UH, ON THE PROJECTOR NOW IS WHAT THE LANDSCAPE LOOKED LIKE. UM, PREVIOUS TO THE NEW OWNER PURCHASING THE HOUSE, IT HAS, UM, THE ENTIRE YARD IS MADE UP OF, UM, JASMINE A GROUND COVER. HE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE JASMINE JUST CATCHES ALL OF THE MAGNOLIA LEAVES LIKE A NET. SO MAINTENANCE WISE OVER TIME, UM, IT'S GOT LIKE FOUR OR FIVE INCHES OF LEAVES, JUST VEGETATION THAT'S JUST IN THE YARD. SO WE REMOVED ALL THAT AND WHEN WE REMOVED THAT, WE DISCOVERED THAT THE ENTIRE YARD, UM, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SIDEWALKS AND THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE TRUNK OF THE TREE WAS LIKE A WEB OF SHALLOW ROOTS FROM THE MAGNOLIA TREE. SO, UM, WHEN WE WERE DESIGNING THIS LANDSCAPE FOR THE FRONT YARD, WE WANTED TO CREATE PLANTING POCKETS CLOSE TO THE TREE AND AROUND THE TREE. UH, IN ORDER TO DO SO, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A RAISED PLANTER BED DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THE TREE IS ACTUALLY, UM, ON THE TOP GRADE OF THE SOIL. SO WITHOUT DAMAGING THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THE TREE IN ORDER TO PUT PLUG TO PLUG IN PLANTS AROUND THE TREE, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE AN ELEVATED PLANTER BOX. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL TO USE FOR THAT. UM, WITH THE INTENTION THAT THE PLANTER BOX WAS NOT GONNA BE VISIBLE AFTER ABOUT SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE PLANNED ON HAVING FIG VY GROWING UP FROM THE GROUND. UM, SIMILAR TO IF YOU SLIDE TO THE NEXT ONE, UH, THIS WAY, UH, YEAH, SO THAT'S A BLOCK AWAY. THEY HAVE FIG IVY GROWING UP, UH, LIKE A RETAINING WALL THERE. SO THAT SAME LOOK WOULD BE ON THE FACE OF THE STEEL FROM THE GROUND UP AND THEN ON THE TOP OF THE STEEL IN THE PLANTER BOX, IF YOU SCROLL BACK THIS WAY, YEAH, THIS IS A JOB THAT WE DID FOR THE HEB BUTT FOUNDATION AND IT'S A, THAT'S A 36 INCH TALL STEEL WALL AND THAT'S TEXAS FRUIT PLANT THAT IS WATERFALLING OVER IT. AND IT, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE FACT THAT IT WAS BEING TRIMMED TO, TO MAKE THE STEEL VISIBLE, UM, YOU WOULDN'T SEE THE STEEL AT ALL. BUT THE STEEL WAS, UH, INSTALLED WITH THE INTENTION TO JUST BE, UM, SORT OF A TRELLIS FOR THE VINE TO JUST COMPLETELY BLANKET AND CREATE A GREEN SCAPE. UM, WE DON'T HAVE INTENTION OF THE STEEL BEING VISIBLE, UM, AFTER THE VEGETATION HAS GROWN OVER THE STEEL. AND WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE OPTION OF BRINGING THE STEEL DOWN FROM 18 INCHES AND CUTTING IT DOWN TO 12 INCHES, UM, AND OVER THE, THE PLANTS THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING ON THIS DEAL TO GROW, TO COVER IT, TO CREATE A GREENSCAPE, UH, A GREEN WALL APPEARANCE IS GONNA, IT'S VERY DENSE. UM, AND IT WON'T SHOW ANY OF THE STEEL COMMISSIONERS. I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT YOU HAVE A LETTER FROM THE KING WILL ASSOCIATION IN YOUR PACKETS. UM, AND IT RAISES A QUESTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, THE APPLICANT JUST BASED ON HIS PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT I'M NOT A LANDSCAPER, IS THAT WHEN YOU ADD FILL OVER THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE OF A TREE, THEN IT COULD POTENTIALLY KILL THE TREE, DO YOU THINK? OR HOW IS IT, HOW IS THAT BEING MITIGATED HERE? SO, SO WE ARE NOT GOING ANY HIGHER THAN IN THE PLANTER BOX THAN WHAT THE EXISTING GRADE WAS OF GROUND COVER THAT WAS ALREADY COVERING IT. SO WHEN WE REMOVED THE VEGETATION, THERE WAS CLOSE TO ABOUT 14 INCHES OF, UM, JASMINE AND LEAVES THAT WERE ALREADY COVERING IT. UM, WE'RE GONNA BRING IN, UH, TREE SOIL, UM, LIKE A PLANT, UM, A TREE, UM, I'M SORRY, A SHRUB AND TREE SOIL AND INFILL UP TO ABOUT 14 INCHES WITH THAT AND, AND COVERING THE ROOT SYSTEM. SO YOU'RE, YOU ARE ADDING 14 INCHES OF SOIL OVER THE EXISTING GRADE YEAH. [02:00:01] OVER THE EXISTING GRADE THAT WAS ALREADY BURIED WITH VEGETATION. YES, CORRECT. UM, AND IF THE, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM IS, WELL, NOT, THE PROBLEM WITH THE OWNER WAS WANTING WAS TO CREATE A VERY VEGETATED, UH, AREA WITH DIMENSIONS. UM, BEING THAT THE FRONT YARD WAS VERY FLAT, UM, LOOKING AT THE EXISTING LANDSCAPES AROUND KING WILLIAM, WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE THINGS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, UH, OTHER HOUSES THAT HAVE PLANNING AROUND THE TREES, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS A SPECIES OF TREE, THE ROOT SYSTEM'S VERY SHALLOW, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO DIG HOLES AND BREAK ROOTS AND WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO PUT IN A IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT WE HAD TO TRENCH AND BREAK A LOT OF THE ROOT SYSTEM UP BY DOING SO. SO WE DECIDED, UH, TO ELEVATE THE AREA AROUND THE TREE TO INCORPORATE DRIP IRRIGATION. UM, AND THE INSIDE OF THAT PLANTER BOX WOULD WELL HAVE VEGETA VEGETATION GROWING VERTICALLY AROUND THE TREE. SO HAVING THE 14 INCHES OF SOIL AT THE TRUNK OF THE TREE IS NOT GOING TO DO ANY HARM TO THE TREES? NO. UM, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST PUTTING BACK THE SAME AMOUNT OF STUFF THAT WAS ALREADY THERE ORIGINALLY. AND, AND IT'S NOT 14 INCHES BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IT DOWN TO 12 INCHES. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE EFFECT OF THE STEEL ON THE, ON THE TREE ONCE IT STARTS, UH, CORRODING? SO, UH, THERE, THERE WOULD, IT WOULD BE NOTHING. I MEAN THERE, WHEN WE WERE DIGGING OUT THIS, UM, VEGETATION HERE, THERE WAS RUSTED STEEL EDGING ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT WAS BURIED BELOW GROUND THAT HAD BEEN THERE PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS. UM, AND THE OTHER THING WAS THAT THE APPLICATION THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON THE STEEL WAS THE, IN THE INSIDE OF THE STEEL BOX WAS GONNA HAVE, UM, UH, SORT OF A, A SEALANT TO PREVENT CORROSION FROM THE INSIDE, FROM THE MOISTURE. WE WERE GONNA CREATE A BARRIER INSIDE OF IT AND THE OUTSIDE WAS GONNA BE, UH, APPLIED WITH THE PATINA AND THEN DARKENED TO HAVE A HAMMERED BRONZE LOOK TO MATCH THE FIXTURES OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. SO HE WANTED TO ON THAT, THE PICTURE THERE IS, SIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. SO BASED ON YOUR EXPERTISE AS A LANDSCAPER, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY EFFECTS ON THIS MAGNIFI SPECIES, AS YOU STATED OF THIS TREE FROM THE CORROSION OF THE STEEL. THE WAY WE ARE INSTALLING THIS, UH, WITH TAKING ALL THAT IN CONSIDERATION? NO, THERE WILL NOT BE, UM, AT PEARL BREWERY AND OTHER LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY, UM, WE'VE, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE PICTURE THAT AT THE HEB BUTT FOUNDATION THAT WE DID, THERE'S AS WELL, UM, YEAH, RIGHT THERE. WE PLANTED A, A BAR, OAK TREE THERE AS WELL. AND THAT HAS A HUGE STEEL PLANTER BOX ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. AND THAT'S 36 INCHES ABOVE GRADE. MADAM CHAIR? YES MA'AM. EXCUSE ME. STAFF, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE? THAT'S, UM, ANOTHER HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PLEASE. UM, YEAH, SO YEAH, IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN. THANK YOU. SO JUST FOR MY KNOWLEDGE WITH MY COLLEAGUES, THE LAST THREE, UM, SESSIONS I'VE BEEN AT, UM, WE HAVE NOT APPROVED PLANTER BOXES RIGHT. EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT WE JUST HEARD TODAY AND IT WAS THE FOUR INCHES OFF THE GROUND. RIGHT? IS THAT, AM I CORRECT IN THAT? RECAPPING? YEAH. AND SO THAT'S ABOUT, IS IS THAT ONE LARGER THAN THAT? THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 12 OR 14 INCHES. OKAY. AND THAT'S ONE BLOCK AWAY IN THE KING WILLIAM DISTRICT. OKAY. BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY A PLANTER. I MEAN THAT IS, THAT'S A WALL. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS, HEARING THEN I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN JUST A MOMENT, IF I COULD JUST OFFER A COMMENT. UM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR WORK AND THE, AND THE INTEREST OF THE HOMEOWNER IN PROTECTING SUCH A MAJESTIC AND MAGNOLIA TREE. UM, AND FOR USING SPECIES, UH, NATIVE SPECIES LIKE FROG FRUIT, UH, WHICH ARE JUST INCREDIBLY DROUGHT TOLERANT. UM, I, I HAVE TO SAY THOUGH, I'M, I'M, I'M STILL REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT 14 INCHES OF ORGANIC MATTER RIGHT AROUND THE BASE, BASE OF THE TREE. E EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE THE, THE 18 INCHES OF STEEL WILL ESSENTIALLY ACT AS A, UH, AS A DAM. 12. YEAH. 12. YEAH. BUT ALSO THERE WOULD BE WEEP HOLES, UM, IN THERE AND, UH, A LIGHT LAYER OF GRAVEL AROUND THE BASE OF THAT OKAY. TO ALLOW THE WATER TO MITIGATE OUT. SO WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION TO PROTECT THE TREE. [02:05:01] UM, THE HOMEOWNER LOVES THE TREE. UM, WE, WE LOVE THE TREE. WE, WE DON'T WANT TO DAMAGE OR STRESS IT OUT. UM, I FEEL LIKE THE CONDITION, UM, UH, BEFORE THIS HOMEOWNER TOOK A PURCHASE OF THIS HOUSE, UM, THE TREE WAS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE. UH, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS TO TRY TO HELP THE TREE. UH, WE REMOVED A LOT OF DEAD FOLIAGE FROM THE TREE. UM, THE TREE HAD ALREADY BEEN BUTCHERED YEARS BEFORE. UM, SO WE DID OUR BEST TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAD WITH THE TREE. UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE, UH, AN OASIS IN THE FRONT TO MATCH, UH, OTHER EXISTING THINGS BUT CREATING SOME DIMENSION AS WELL. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS? WERE THERE, WERE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AT ALL? JUST THE LETTER. OKAY. JUST THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION PLEASE. MADAM CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION DENYING THE APPLICATION. HOLD ON. UH, CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION? SO, UH, COMMISSIONER VAZQUEZ, YOU SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS TO SUPPORT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ITEMS ONE AND TWO IN THE REMAINING OF THE STATEMENT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THERE'S CURRENTLY A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'D LIKE TO TAKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE REGARD. AYE. SETZER? AYE. FULLERTON? AYE. SMITH. AYE. VASQUEZ? AYE. AND EVA? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. THEN ARE WE ADJOURNED AT THIS TIME? I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN OUR MEETING PLEASE. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.