[00:00:08] GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THE TIME IS 1:38:00 P.M. ON THE 17TH DAY OF MAY, 2024. WE'LL CALL OUR MEETING OF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE TO ORDER, AND CLERK, COULD YOU READ THE ROLL? >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS TODAY. ERIC, ARE THESE SEPARATE PRESENTATIONS OTHER THAN ITEM 3 -- OR ITEM 2, EXCUSE ME. >> EVERYTHING AFTER ITEM 2, WE'RE GOING TO RUN IT LIKE WE'VE RUN THE LAST COUPLE GOVERNANCE -- >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: OKAY. ITEM 2 IS CONSIDERATION. BUT LET'S TAKE UP APPROVAL ONE. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM MEETING ON THE 23ND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION TO SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 23RD GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE MINUTES. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 2 IS A CONSIDERATION OF THE REAPPOINTMENT OF EDUARDO BELMARES, WHO IS A SAS TRUSTEE FROM THE SOUTH SECTOR, SO IT'LL BE A TWO MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT. MR. BELMARES IS HERE, TWO MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT, AND THEN WE CAN GO AROUND FOR QUESTIONS IF NECESSARY. WE WILL BRIEFLY CONVENE IN EXEC SESSION AND THEN COME OUT WITH A DECISION ON RECOMMENDATION. SO BEFORE WE GO INTO YOUR COMMENTS, ED, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PROCEDURE? OKAY. SO, ED, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, AND COUNCILMEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT MY BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE AND HOW IT PROVIDED ME A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON THE BERTHS FOR THE WATER SYSTEM. I'M A NATIVE OF SAN ANTONIO AND HOLD DEGREES FROM UNIVERSITIES HERE. I HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN THE PUBLIC, PRIVATE SECTOR, AND NONPROFIT, AND I STARTED AT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND WAS FORTUNATE TO HOLD MANY POSITIONS IN THE ORGANIZATION FROM BUDGET ANALYST TO DIRECTOR OF HR AND ULTIMATELY ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. DURING SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, I ALSO SERVED FOR THREE YEARS AS A VICE PRESIDENT FOR BUSINESS OPERATIONS AND SAN ANTONIO'S OTHER LARGE AUTHORITY, CPS ENERGY, BUT I'M THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR AN EMPLOYEE-OWNED COMPANY, ABOUT 240 EMPLOYEES ON THE UPPER WEST SIDE NEXT TO PORT SAN ANTONIO. DURING MY CAREER, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE QUITE HEAVILY IN THE NONPROFIT SECTOR, SERVING ON A VARIETY OF BOARDS. I'VE BEEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE LOCAL BOARD OF THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION, BEEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD FOR THE MARCH OF DIMES, SERVED ON THE HERITAGE PARTNERS BOARD, COALMAN UNITED AS WELL AS THE SAN ANTONIO WEST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. MY VOLUNTEER EXPERIENCE ON BOARDS HAS ALSO EXTENDED TO THE INVOLVEMENT WITH THE CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, I'VE BEEN HEADING THEIR CITIZEN BOND COMMITTEE FOR SOME OF THEIR BOND PROPOSITIONS, AND I ALSO ACCOMPLISHED THE PAC AND HELPED MANAGE THAT FOR THE LAST COUPLE BOND MEMORANDUMS. FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, I'VE SERVED ON THE SAWS BOARD, I'VE BEEN AN ENGAGED MEMBER, AND BEEN INTERESTED IN PLANNING, AS WELL AS OPERATIONAL ISSUES AND DATA ANALYTICS. THERE ARE A VARIETY OF LARGE ISSUES FACING SAWS IN THE FUTURE, AND I THINK MY EXPERIENCE AND BACKGROUND SITUATES ME WELL THERE. THE DROPOUT PLAN, THEY'RE ALL SIGNIFICANT FOR THIS COMMUNITY, AND I WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE SERVING. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ED, FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR SERVING, WE'LL GO AROUND FOR ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE. COUNCILMEMBER CABELLO HAVRDA. >> CABELLO HAVRDA: THANK YOU, MAYOR AND THANK YOU, ED FOR BEING HERE, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES DO YOU SEE IN IMPROVING THE WATER SYSTEMS IN THE SOUTH SECTOR. >> SO I'M IN THE SOUTH SECTOR, AND IT'S INTERESTING. I WAS REALLY INVOLVED IN GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA AND PART OF MY ROLE AS THE SAWS TRUSTEE. SO EXTENDING THE END OF THAT AREA WAS OF GREAT INTEREST TO ME. I'M GLAD WE'VE DONE THAT. I'VE BEEN THERE 20 [00:05:03] YEARS. AND I'VE BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED THERE. THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE SIGNIFICANT. IN TODAY'S PAPER WE TALKED ABOUT SAN ANTONIO FASTEST GROWING CITY, NO DOUBT THAT PUTS STRAIN ON ALL OF OUR UTILITIES. INCLUDING SAWS. THERE'S A BIG UPGRADE ON THE SOUTH SAWS. AND OTHER STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS, AND FOR THE COMMON CITIZEN, IT'S ALL KIND OF THE THEY IN THERE, SO THERE'S A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT TO BE HAD DOWN THERE, AND I'M GLAD THE COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY IMPROVED YESTERDAY THE IMPACT FEES WHICH WILL HELP DEVELOPMENT PAY FOR THAT BUT TRY TO BALANCE THAT WITH AFFORDABLE. >> CABELLO HAVRDA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ. >> PELAEZ: NO QUESTIONS. YOU'RE AN OLD KNOWN QUANTITY, AND YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU -- >> PELAEZ: FOR NEVER HESITATING TO THROW YOUR HAT IN THE RING. YOU'VE BEEN EVERYWHERE, AND EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU DO IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ. COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. GOING TOKER GAR THANK >> ROCHA GARCIA: THANK YOU.AND R KEEPING ME UPDATED, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER COURAGE. >> COURAGE: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW, ED, IF YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE SHOULD BE COMPENSATED, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY DESERVED A GOOD SALARY FOR WHATEVER THEY DO, AND I EXPECT THAT ANYBODY WHO GETS A SALARY TO DO A JOB WOULD DO THE BEST TO THEIR ABILITY TO GET THAT JOB DONE. I HAVE A PERSONAL FEELING ABOUT BONUSES OR ANY KIND OF MONEY THAT'S PROVIDED OVER AND ABOVE A NORMAL SALARY BECAUSE I WOULD JUST PRESUME THAT ANYONE WHO HAS A SALARY IS GOING TO DO THE JOB THAT'S EXPECTED FOR THEM TO DO. WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN YOU VOTED TO GIVE THE DIRECTOR OF THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM AN EXTRA $130,000. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN FOR THAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PRIMARY ROLES OF THE BOARD MEMBER IS TO HELP MANAGE AND MITIGATE RISK, I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT APPROACH BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE MULTIYEAR PLAN. IT IS A BONUS, BUT I WOULD ARGUE LARGELY IT'S ALSO A RETENTION TOOL. HE HAS TO STAY THERE FOR FIVE YEARS TO BE ABLE TO TAP INTO THOSE FUNDS, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, KIND OF ALL OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES KIND OF FACING THE UTILITY, AND BY EXTENSION THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WE HAVE THE HEAD OF THAT ORGANIZATION IN PLACE, SO THAT PLAN WAS SET IN PLACE AS A RETENTION TOOL TO ENSURE THAT HE HAS LONG RANGE GOALS AND THAT HE'S COMPENSATED ACCORDINGLY. SO. AND I UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, HAVING BEEN IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, THE ISSUE OF COMPENSATION, IT'S A COMPLICATED ONE, BUT THAT IS OUTWEIGHED IN MY OPINION BY THE RISK OF BEING UNSURE WHERE OUR COE WILL BE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. >> COURAGE: WAS THAT PART OF AN ONGOING PROCESS, IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIVE YEAR PERIOD? >> YES. THERE'S ONE YEAR LEFT IN THAT PLAN, AND IT'S A RIGOROUS -- I DIDN'T COMMENT ON IT HERE, BUT I'M INVOLVED IN THE PERSONNEL COMMITTEE ALONG WITH OUR CHAIRWOMAN AND TRUSTEE PARA. I'M PROUD OF THE WORK THAT COMMITTEE HAS DONE, IT'S BEEN A RIGOROUS REVIEW OF PERFORMANCE MEASURES, AND WE DO HOLD THE COES FEET TO THE FIRE, DILIGENT, WE HAVE THIRD PARTY REVIEW, THE METRICS TO AUDIT, WE DO THAT EVERY YEAR, AND THIS YEAR WAS TOWARDS THE TAIL END. THERE'S ONE YEAR LEFT. >> COURAGE: OKAY. THE ONLY COMMENT I'LL MAKE -- AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION, BUT TO ME, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDED VALUE OVER AND ABOVE WHAT YOU'RE HIRED TO DO IN ORDER TO DESERVE A BONUS, THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR FRANKNESS IN TELLING ME THE REASON YOU SUPPORTTHAT'S THN I HAVE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER COURAGE, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, ED, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST GIVEN THE PREVIOUS QUESTION IF YOU COULD JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT COE CONTRACT IS STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY THAN IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS ITERATION AND WHAT THE BOARD HAS DISCRETION OVER, WHAT IT DOESN'T, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT THE MEANING OF BONUS OR DEFINITION OF IT, BUT HOW THAT'S DIFFERENT NOW THAT YOUR PERSONNEL COMMITTEE HAS WORKED ON IT. >> RIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND. SO THERE IS SIGNIFICANT MORE STRUCTURE NOW THAN WHAT I UNDERSTAND HAD BEEN THE SITUATION -- THE STRUCTURE BEFORE. [00:10:03] THERE IS -- INSTEAD OF KIND OF AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF HIS PERFORMANCE AND THEN LEAVING IT UP TO THE BOARD TO RECOMMEND AN INCREASE, IT'S MUCH MORE FORMULAIC, THERE'S A PORTION OF HIS -- OF THAT RETENTION PAYMENT THAT IS TIED TO SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE MEASURES REGARDING AFFORDABILITY, REGARDING OTHER OPERATIONAL GOALS. THERE'S ALSO A PORTION OF THAT STRUCTURE THAT IS TIED TO WHAT ARE CALLED KEY INITIATIVES, WHAT ARE THOSE KEY THINGS THAT NEED TO GET DONE THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR, AND THE YEAR AFTER THAT, EACH OF THOSE ARE WEIGHTED, AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST 10% HAS TO DO WITH THE BOARD'S VALUATION OF KIND OF THOSE HARD END MEASURE THINGS, LIKE JUDGMENT, TASK, DISCRETION, HOW HE KEEPS THE BOARD ATTUNED. BUT THAT WHOLE SYSTEM, IT'S VERY STRUCTURED, IT'S VERY -- WE ALSO RELY ON AN AIDS CONSULTANT TO AUDIT THE MEASURES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY REPRESENT WHAT WE WANT THEM TO REPRESENT, AND WE ALSO HAVE SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE SO THAT YEAR OVER YEAR THOSE MEASURES DON'T CHANGE AND YOU HAVE A MOVING TARGET, SO WE'RE ABLE TO CREATE THAT VIEW THROUGHOUT THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, THOSE MEASURES THAT CALCULATE AS A PERCENTAGE OF HOW HE DOES ON THOSE METRICS TO WHAT -- IN THIS CASE, IT WAS $133,000, SO VERY FORMULAIC, VERY ESTABLISHED, IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR A FEW YEARS, AND IN MY OPINION, IT'S BEEN A SUCCESSFUL TOOL. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, ED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. SO THE COMMITTEE NOW HAS THE OPTION OF GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR DISCUSSION. IS THERE A DESIRE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS? >> I'D MOVE TO REAPPOINTMENT. >> I SECOND. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: OKAY. THERE IS A MOTION TO SECOND TO RECOMMEND THE REAPPOINTMENT OF EDUARDO BELMARES TO THE SOUTH SECTOR SAWS WHICH WOULD BE TAKEN UP AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE A SECTION AGENDA. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OKAY. WE'LL GO TO OUR PRESENTATION. ERIC. >> WALSH: THANKS, MAYOR, LIZ WILL KICK US OFF AND THEN WE'LL TRANSITION THROUGH THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE ELT TO REVIEW THE CCRS ON THE AGENDA. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. LIZ, FIRST ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY TO UPDATE YOU ON THE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST FILED BY COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ AND COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA ON THE CREATION OF INNOCENCE RECLAIMED PROJECT THAT PROPOSES FUNDING AND STAFF SUPPORT EFFECTIVELY FOR EXP EXPUNGEMENT AND SERVICES TO FACILITATE EXSPONGEMENT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S A COMPONENT THAT WOULD INCLUDE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND A CAMPAIGN TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT EXSPONGEMENT IS AND WHAT THAT ELIGIBILITY LOOKS LIKE AND TO INCLUDE WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO SUPPORT RESIDENTS THAT MAY BE IN NEED OF THESE SERVICES OR SEEKING THESE SERVICES. AND AS YOU KNOW, ANDY PRESENTED TO YOU ON MARCH 20, HE OUTLINED THE ELIGIBILITY FOR EXAND THENBLINGMENT, TALKED ABOUT THE RANGE OF LEGAL COST, ROUGHLY FILING FEE BETWEEN $400 TO $550, AS WELL AS ATTORNEY FEES. RANGING FROM $300. HE ALSO MENTIONED WE WOULD BE COMING BACK TO YOU AFTER WE LEARNED NOR ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER CITY SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED AND HOW THEY MAY BE RELATED TO OTHER COMPONENTS OF WORK THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS. AND SO WE'RE BACK HERE TODAY TO DO THAT, AND TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. SO SINCE THAT MEETING ON MARCH 30, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY HEALTH MEETING WHERE DR. WU PRESENTED, AND SHE SPECIFICALLY PRESENTED ON THE UNLOCK PROGRAM BY METRO HEALTH, AND THAT EFFECTIVELY INCLUDES COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS, WHICH IS A PROGRAM BY WHICH THEY CONNECT PEOPLE TO A RANGE OF SERVICES, SOME OF THOSE SERVICES DO INCLUDE LEGAL SERVICES, BUT WE ARE NOT THE FUNDER OR PROVIDER FOR LEGAL SERVICES FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM, BUT IT IS DESIGNED TO FACILITATE THOSE THAT ARE JUSTICE-INVOLVED, THE JUSTICE-INVOLVED POPULATION. SEPARATE AND APART FROM THAT, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A COMPONENT IN READY TO WORK THAT WILL REIMBURSE PARTICIPANTS FOR CERTAIN EXSPONGEMENT ELIGIBILITY REPORTS AND OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED. IT'S CAPPED AT $1,500. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND RECOMMENDING IS THAT THIS PARTICULAR CCR WITH IT WILL GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY HEALTH COMMITTEE ON THE HEELS [00:15:02] OF WHAT DR. WU PROPOSED AND DISCUSSED AND UPDATED LAST MONTH TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW BEST WE MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS. >> MAYOR AND COMMITTEE, I'M GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THE NEXT TWO CCRS HERE. THE FIRST ONE IS A LARGER REZONING FOR THE HARLANDALE-MCCOLLUM AREA. SO THIS WAS COMMITTED BY COUNCILWOMAN VYING A GRAN. SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT COME HERE. SO THE ASK WAS TO LOOK AT THIS AREA. BOUND BY SOUTHWEST MILITARY, CLOVIS PLACE, WEST PET LIEU MA, AND SIX MEADOW CREEK TO THE WEST. SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE CURRENT LAND USE AND ALSO WORK TO PROTECT THE EXISTING HOME AND PROPERTY FROM INCOMPATIBLE USES TO REZONE THE PROPERTIES AND LAND USE TO ALIGN WITH THE PLAN IN THIS AREA. SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT DSD DOES THAT ANALYSIS AND BRING IT FORWARD, BUT TO START THAT PROCESS, WE WOULD NEED TO INITIATE THIS BY GOING TO A SESSION, SO THAT'S THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ITEM. MOVING TO THE NEXT ONE, THIS IS ANOTHER LARGER REZONING FOR THE ROOSEVELT PARK AREA, SO THIS IS ITEM 5, THIS WAS INITIATED BY COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO. JUST SO YOU HAVE GEOGRAPHIC ORIENTATION HERE. THIS IS GENERALLY AROUND UNION PACIFIC RAILWAY ON THE NORTH. IH37 TO THE EAST. IH10 TO THE SOUTH, AND THE RIVER WALK T THE WEST, SO WE'LL DO THE SAME PROCESS ON THE LAND USE IN THIS AREA AND BRING IT FORWARD FOR REVIEW. TO INITIATE THAT PROCESS, WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS GOES TO A SESSION TO START THIS PROCESS. THOSE ARE THE TWO LARGER REZONINGS, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LORI HOUSTON, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR THE NEXT ITEM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. LORI HOUSTON, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. THIS IS A CCR THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY DISTRICT 5, AND THE CCR AIMS TO ESTABLISH A WATER AND SOWER LINE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. A INSTALLATION PILOT. REVIEW AND UPDATE DIVISION II, ARTICLE 5, AND MAP PROPERTIES WITH MISSING LATERALS. STAFF WILL BE ENGAGED IN SAWS AND REVIEW APPLICABILITY TO ESTABLISH A PROGRAM. WE HAVE FOUND GREAT PROGRAMS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN OTHER CITIES. AND WE'LL BRING THIS FORWARD FOR PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR FEEDBACK AND MORE INPUT. I'LL PASS THIS ON BACK TO JOHN -- OH, IT GOES TO MARIE. PASS IT BACK TO MY COLLEAGUE MARÍA VILLAGÓMEZ. >> THANK YOU, LORI, GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE AND MAYOR. THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE RELATED TO TWO CCRS, ONE WAS SUBMITTED BY COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE, AND THIS IS REGARDING ZERO BASED BUDGETING, SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE CCR CALLS FOR IS THAT AN ORDNANCE REQUIRED IN ZERO BASED BUDGETING BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET AND THEN EVERY FIVE YEARS OR AFTER. THE CCR ALSO REQUESTS THAT A REPORT OF IMPLEMENTATION OF EFFORTS BE SUBMITTED BY MARCH OF 2026. SO WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE SUBMIT THE CCR TO THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND REVIEW, CONSISTENT WITH OUR CCR PROCEDURES, WE WOULD DO A REVIEW, WHICH WOULD TAKE NO MORE THAN 90 DAYS, AND AFTER THAT IS COMPLETED, THE CCR WILL BE BACK TO THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE. THE NEXT ITEM IS A CCR SUBMITTED BY COUNCILMEMBER DR. ROCHA GARCIA, AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY TO EXPLORE ESTABLISHING A DESIGNATED OVERSIZED VEHICLE PARKING FACILITY, SPECIFICALLY THE REQUEST INDICATES THAT WE SHOULD CONDUCT OUTREACHABLE OPPORTUNITIES TO HEAR FROM DRIVERS AND RESIDENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AS WELL AS ANALYZE EXISTING PRIVATE SPACES THAT ALLOW OVERSIZED PARKING EITHER FOR RENT OR FOR FREE, FREE OF CHARGE, AND FINALLY, TO DEVELOP A PLAN, EITHER TO ESTABLISH A FACILITY THAT WILL PROVIDE FOR THIS TYPE OF PARKING IN CITY OWNED LAND OR A PRIVATE BUSINESS. SO BASED ON WORK WE'VE DONE FOR A PREVIOUS CCR SUBMITTED BY COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ, WE RECOMMEND THAT THIS BE [00:20:01] FORWARDED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. WE HAVE DONE RESEARCH IN TERMS OF SPACES AVAILABLE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND THAT WILL BE PRESENTED AT A FUTURE B SESSION WHEN WE PRESENT THE CCR BY COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ TO THE FULL COUNCIL AT B SESSION, SO THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE THE WORK IN TERMS OF EXPLORING THE DEVELOPMENT OF A FACILITY. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR, JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT AND REMIND THE COUNCIL, THE FIRST CCR HAD GONE THROUGH PUBLIC SAFETY SEVERAL TIMES AND HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN SCHEDULEED FOR THIS PAST WEDNESDAY, WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER DATE, AND, YOU KNOW, I WILL COORDINATE, DEPENDING ON THE CONVERSATION HERE, WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN BECAUSE WE MAY WANT TO LET THE COMMITTEE TALK ABOUT THIS CCR BEFORE WE PUT THAT ORIGINAL CCR SO THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME TOPIC, AND WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMITTEE. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: OKAY. THANKS, ERIC. MARÍA, YOU REFERRED TO ONE OF THE ITEMS HAVING TWO CCRS, IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NOT THE PREVIOUS ONE? OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN AUTHORED BY OUR COLLEAGUES, THERE ARE -- THERE IS ONE WHO IS HERE WHO FILED ITEM NUMBER 7, WHICH IS THE ZERO BASED BUDGET. SO COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE, BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TELL US ABOUT IT. >> WHYTE: SURE. THANK YOU. SO ZERO BASED BUDGETING, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING I'VE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE PERFECT TIME HERE IN SAN ANTONIO TO DO IT. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ALREADY FISCAL CHALLENGES MOVING FORWARD IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE SPENDING. WE'VE JUST BEEN THROUGH COVID IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND, YOU KNOW, THE WORLD IS A DIFFERENT PLACE TODAY THAN IT WAS PRECOVID, WE HAVEN'T DONE A ZERO BASED BUDGET HERE THAT I KNOW OF, AND NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME TO DO IT. SO FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH ZERO BASED BUDGETING, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS, THIS IS NOT ABOUT CUTTING MONEY FROM THE BUDGET, CUTTING SPECIFIC PROGRAMS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS REQUIRING EACH DEPARTMENT TO REBUILD ITS BUDGET FROM ZERO, AND THEN COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND JUSTIFY EACH LINE ITEM EXPENSE IN THE BUDGET BASED UPON THE RESULTS THAT THAT DEPARTMENT EXPECTS TO ACHIEVE IN THE COMING YEARS. AND THEN BY DOING THAT, WHAT WOULD -- WHAT HISTORY SHOWS US IN THE PLACES THAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE IS YOU'RE GOING TO FIND WASTE, DUPLICATION, INEFFICIENCIES AND THEN TAKE THAT FOUND MONEY AND REALLOCATE IT, PUT IT TOWARDS COUNCIL PRIORITIES, PUT IT TOWARDS THE CITIZENS' PRIORITIES, AND SO IT'LL ALLOW US TO BETTER USE OUR MONEY. NOW, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO EVERY SINGLE YEAR, AND I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES WHO SIGNED ON TO THIS CCR, AND WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS THAT WE DO THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS. NOW, MAYBE EVERY FIVE YEARS IS TOO SOON, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE EVERY SEVEN OR EIGHT, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE IT. AND SO IT IS TIME INTENSIVE. IT IS A -- IT'S A PROCESS THAT TAKES A LOT OF LABOR, AND IT'S FOR THAT REASON THAT WE -- THOSE THAT SIGNED THE CCR AGREED ON 2027 TO BE THE DATE TO DO IT TO GIVE CITY STAFF A TWO-YEAR RUNWAY TO GIVE TIME TO DO THIS. I'VE SPOKEN WITH ELECTED LEADERS IN OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE ZERO BASED BUDGETING. RECENTLY, I SPOKE WITH MAYOR SILL VESTER TURNER, FORMER MMAYOR OF HOUSTON, HE'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH ZERO BASED BUDGETING TWICE, ONCE WHEN HE WAS AT THE STATE, AND THEN ONCE IN HOUSTON, AND WHAT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, AND WHAT HE MADE CLEAR TO ME IS THAT THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL AT THE END OF THE DAY; RIGHT? THESE DIFFERENT CITIES AND STATES CAN -- YOU CAN TAILOR YOUR BUDGETING PROCESS REALLY TO THE NEEDS OF THE STATE, AND WHAT THEY FOUND IN HOUSTON, THEY DID A ZERO BASED BUDGET, AND HE SAID, AGAIN, A VERY LABOR INTENSIVE PROCESS, AND FROM THERE, THE CITY OF HOUSTON MOVED TO AN OUTCOMES BASED BUDGETING PROCESS. SO HE TOLD ME YESTERDAY, VALUABLE TO DO THE ZERO BASED BUDGETING, BUT THEN THEY FOUND THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO DO IT EVERY YEAR AND THEY MOVED TO AN OUTCOMES-BASED BUDGETING PROCESS. SO, AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT SPENDING OUR MONEY IN A BETTER WAY. THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES, AGAIN, WHO JOINED ME IN THE CCR, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING THIS FORWARD. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. OUR -- SO I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE AUTHORS [00:25:02] OF THE AMENDMENT. SO IF YOU HAVE AUTHORED A CCR AND YOU'RE ON THIS COMMITTEE, WE DON'T NEED TO STOP DISCUSSION TO SAY IT, SO IF I'VE MISSED YOU AND THIS IS ONE OF YOUR CCRS, ONE OF YOUR OTHER ITEMS, JUST FEEL FREE TO TAKE SOME TIME ON IT. SO -- YEAH, I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE FOR THE RECORD A LETTER PENNED BY COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO ON ITEM NUMBER 6. SO WE CAN PUT THAT INTO THE RECORD AS WELL. AND I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE A COPY AT YOUR DESK. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION. COUNCILMEMBER -- I'M SORRY. COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA IS ON TIME CONSTRAINTS, SO WE'LL START WITH YOU. >> ROCHA GARCIA: THANK YOU. MAYOR, AND I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR INVITING ME TO WORK ON THE CCR WITH HIM WITH THE JUSTICE RECLAIMED -- OR INNOCENCE RECLAIMED, THE LEGAL AND COURT PROCESS IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR, AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S RESIDENTS THAT MAYBE ARE UNAWARE THAT THERE'S WAYS TO CONTINUE AND HAVE THAT SECOND CHANCE. SO LOOKING FOR A NEW JOB CAN BE DIFFICULT. WE KNOW READY TO WORK HAS DONE, I THINK, A GREAT JOB OF EDUCATING PEOPLE THAT THERE IS A SECOND CHANCE. AND SO HOPEFULLY WITH YOUR SUPPORT TODAY, WE COULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO ALSO CONSIDER GETTING JOBS AND THEN SHARE THE NEEDS WITH OTHERS, RIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE IN THE SAME SITUATION. SO I TRUST THAT A GOOD PLAN WILL BE DEVELOPED FROM COMMUNITY HEALTH COMMITTEE. AND THEN I WAS PLEASED TO SIGN ON TO COUNCILMEMBER'S CAST CASTILLO'S CCR, IN THE SUICIDSOUTH SIDE, WE KNOW THAT ENTITY WAS KNOWN FOR MISMANAGEMENT RIGHT, SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF GO AND CLEAN UP A LOT OF THE WORK, AND SO THERE'S HOME WITHOUT CONNECTIONS OF WATER TO SEWER, ALSO JUST COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED, WAY TOO MANY FOR US TO CONSIDER, SO I REALLY WANTED TO SUPPORT THE CCR. AND THEN THE PROGRAM COULD ACTUALLY CREATE IMPACTFUL UPGRADES FOR FAMILIES WHO COULD NOT FINANCIALLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF A PROJECT TO HELP THEIR AREA. SO I BELIEVE THAT IF WE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, THAT PCDC COULD REVIEW, WE WOULD BE IN GOOD SHAPE OVERALL. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 8. I APPRECIATE THIS. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, LIKE ERIC SAID, RECEIVE HIS PRESENTATION THAT STEMMED FROM COUNCILMAN'S PELAEZ'S CCR. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED WE COULD GO BACK AND CARRY IT WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AS AN ADDITION TO THE CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN TO COUNCILMAN PELAEZ'S CCR, AND I EMPHASIZED WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT SHOWED UP AT THE LAST PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING, AND THEN ALSO, I HAVE A RESIDENT WHO SPECIFICALLY DOES THIS FOR A LIVING, AND SO HE ASKED WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO, AND SO WE TALKED TO HIM, AND THESE WERE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WERE GATHERED BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WITH HIM SPECIFICALLY, AND SO I KNOW THAT WHILE SOME BIG BOX, COMMERCIAL COMPANIES DO ALLOW FREE PARKING ON THEIR LOTS, IT'S NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION, AND AS MORE TRUCKS ARE FORCED TO PARK THERE, WE ELIMINATE SOME OF THE PROBLEM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK OF THE GROWTH. WE ALL SAW TODAY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND EXPANSION OF THE CITY WHEN WE CONTINUE TO PUSH OURSELVES AS A MANUFACTURING AREA, WHAT IS THAT GOING TO CREATE, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE MORE 18-WHEELERS COMING ACROSS, SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD COLLABORATIVE WAY TO SEE HOW WE COULD FIND LOW-COST FACILITIES WHERE OUR RESIDENTS CAN SASAFELY STORE AND REDUCE THE BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES WE LIVE IN. I DON'T THINK THAT WE -- I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE SHOULD MAINTAIN OUR OWN LOT, BUT I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE GOOD IN MAYBE BROKERING SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT, I'LL LEAVE THAT OBVIOUSLY UP TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND STAFF TO SEE WHAT THEY RECOMMEND, BUT I THINK PRIORITIZING CELL PHONE TRUCKS AND SMALL BUSINESSES IS CRITICAL, SO NOT LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS FOR THE BIGGER COMPANIES, BUT I DO KNOW A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS I REPRESENT ARE TRUCK DRIVERS, AND THEY DO THIS FOR A LIVING. SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SUPPORT THEM. SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. COUNCILMEMBER COURAGE. >> COURAGE: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DON'T FIND REALLY ANY OBJECTION TO ANY OF THESE MOVING FORWARD. I DO WANT TO DOUBLE-CHECK, ARE ITEMS 4 AND 5 ON LARGE AREA REZONING OR CLASSIFICATION, ARE THOSE SUPPOSED TO GO TO DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR REVIEW? >> SO TO INITIATE THE PROCESS, SIR, WE WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN THAT WORK WOULD BEGIN. THAT'S THE NORMAL COURSE. >> COURAGE: OKAY. SO THESE JUST GO TO COUNCIL. [00:30:01] AND WHAT WOULD COUNCIL BE DOING? INSTRUCTING DSD TO RELOOK AT THESE? >> YES, SIR. SO THIS IS THE OFFICIAL ACTION NECESSARY TO START THE PROCESS. >> THOSE NORMAL -- THOSE REZONINGS, COUNCILMAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT AS PART OF YOUR REGULAR ZONING AGENDA, THOSE -- THAT JUST INITIATES THE REZONING WORK, AND THAT'S THE STEP THAT NEEDS TO GO TO A SESSION. >> COURAGE: OKAY. THANK YOU. I WANT TO PUT ON MY SECONDING MOTION ON LOOKING AT ZERO BASED BUDGETING, AND I'VE -- LIKE COUNCILMAN, I'VE DONE SOME INVESTIGATION INTO THIS. I CAN UNDERSTAND SAYING WE'D LIKE TO GO TO THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, BUT I THINK THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER UNDERTAKING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT A CONSULTANT BE BROUGHT IN WHO HAS DONE THIS FOR OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES, WHETHER IT'S FROM A SCHOOL DISTRICT OR A UNIVERSITY OR A CITY OR A COUNTY OR A STATE GOVERNMENT. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THE VALUED OPINION OF OTHER EXPERTS OTHER THAN OUR OWN EXPERTS, AND IT'S NOT TO UNDERMINE ANYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY, BUT I THINK THIS IS SUCH A DIFFERENT UNDERTAKING FOR US THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING A CONSULTANT COME IN AND BE ABLE TO ADVISE US ON THIS, AND IF IT TAKES FOUR, FIVE, SIX MONTHS TO GET THAT IN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROCESS THAT, RIGHT NOW, IS OVER TWO YEARS AWAY, SO WE SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO AHEAD AND REALLY TAKE A SERIOUS IN DEPTH LOOK AT THIS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN RECOMMEND THAT OMB BRINGS IN A CONSULTANT TO ADVISE US ON THIS PROCESS, SOME OF THEIR EXPERIENCES, A LITTLE BIT MORE HELPING US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STEP BY STEP PROCESS COULD BE ON THIS. >> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER COURAGE. IF I MAY BEFORE WE GET THERE, JUST TO RESPOND TO THAT POINT. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM STAFF RECOMMENDATION, ERIC, AND, AGAIN, JUST GOING BY STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND ALL OF THESE THINGS IS THAT YOU WOULD DO SOME ANALYSIS ON BUDGETARY METHODS FOR US TO HAVE A FULLER DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER 7 BEFORE WE GET TO THAT PROCESS. SO COUNCILMAN, IF YOU WISH TO BRING IN A CONSULTANT, IF THE DECISION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT KIND OF BUDGET PROCESS, WE COULD DO SO AT THAT TIME, BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN AT THAT STEP, YET; IS THAT RIGHT? >> YEAH. THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR US TO GO DO SOME OF THAT WORK AND COME BACK TO GOVERNANCE, WHICH MAY INCLUDE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCILMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT. >> OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER -- >> COURAGE: YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT INTERNALLY, WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT, AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE VIEW OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND -- >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: BUT LET'S -- LET'S CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE DISCUSSION, BUT ERIC, IN THE MEANTIME, IF -- OR DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT? >> WALSH: YEAH. LET ME RESPOND. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. WE'RE SAYING LET THE BUDGET OFFICE GO BACK, LOOK AT IT. OBVIOUSLY, THE SPIRIT AND THE REQUEST OF THE CCR NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED AND BROUGHT BACK TO THIS GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE. WE'RE NOT WEIGHING IN ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD DO IT, WE'RE NOT. BUT WE ARE GOING TO DO THE FOLLOW UP IN THE REQUEST AND THE ORIGINAL MEMO AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE, MUCH LIKE LIZ DID TODAY, YOU GUYS HAD AN INITIAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CLAIM, THE OFFICE WENT AND DID RESEARCH AND CAME BACK AND GAVE YOU AN UPDATE. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE NEW POLICY THAT YOU ALL ADOPTED, BUT WE HAVE DONE ZERO WORK IN TERMS OF THAT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IF YOU -- IF YOU WANT US TO DO THAT WORK, THEN THE COMMITTEE SHOULD ALLOW THE DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT WORK. THEN YOU GUYS CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, THE FULL CITY COUNCIL. SO WE'RE NOT WEIGHING IN ON GOOD, BAD, OR INDIFFERENT. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: YEAH. OKAY. THANKS, ERIC. COUNCILMEMBER CABELLO HAVRDA. >> CABELLO HAVRDA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M IN SUPPORT OF ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. ON THE THIRD ITEM, THE INNOCENCE PROJECT, I WAS GOING TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS, BUT I GUESS I'M MORE INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE -- IS IT GOING TO CHECK? >> YES. >> CABELLO HAVRDA: THAT THESE ARE FLUSHED OUT. NUMBER 1, IF CITY POSITIONS ARE GOING TO BE ADDED, HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE BUDGET. ALSO, HOW THE PROGRAM WILL MEASURE ITS IMPACT ON REDUCING RECIDIVISM [00:35:04] AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND ON IT AND THE INTENTION, ELIMINATING BARRIERS TO ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, PHYSICAL, AND WELL BEING, HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE DISCUSSED IN CHECK. THE ITEM NUMBER 6. YOU KNOW, I'M IN SUPPORT, HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS ITEM AND THANK COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. THERE WERE SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE FAR WEST SIDE THAT WERE ANNEXED, HAD THE SAME ISSUE, BUT OF COURSE EDGEWOOD, AND I WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT LATERAL IMPROVEMENTS PREVENT GROUND WATER AND SERVICE CONTAMINATION, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE, SO I'M IN SUPPORT. THE -- ON ITEM 7, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THOSE 90 DAYS, JUST IN A COUPLE OF SENTENCES, THAT'S THE GOAL FOR THOSE 90 DAYS? >> SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO -- AND IT MAY TAKE LESS THAN 90 DAYS WITH THE EXISTING ORDNANCE, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BRING BACK TO THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE AN ANALYSIS OF HOW THEIR CDS HAVE DONE IT, HOW WE COULD MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION IN TERMS OF IF WE WERE ABLE TO -- THE COUNCIL -- THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE WANTED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, THEN WHAT WOULD BE THOSE NEXT STEPS? WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT DETAILED RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS. WE HAVE SEEN WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE, AND WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU A MORE PRECISE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. IF WE DO IT, THIS WOULD BE THE PATH TO MOVE FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE CCR. NOT THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS FOR A PATH FORWARD. >> CABELLO HAVRDA: OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I SUPPORT THE DISCUSSION. A LOT OF IT IS BECAUSE IT INCREASES PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, NEEDS ASSESSMENT, ESTABLISHING THE PRIORITIES, BUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, SO THAT'S -- I KO OUR SA SPEAK UP, AND THE CITY DOES A LOT OF WORK ON THAT, BUT THIS COULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO ENGAGE, SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THE -- I JUST WANTED TO MENTION TOO, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT CONSULTANT, THERE ARE A LOT OF CASE STUDIES OUT THERE ALREADY, I MEAN, HOUSTON HAS DONE IT, THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS DONE IT, BALTIMORE, THE STATE OF GEORGIA, THERE'S PLENTY OF CASE STUDIES OUT THERE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT MIGHT REPLACE A CONSULTANT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD PLACE TO START. >> UNDOUBTEDLY, PART OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE DO THE ADDITIONAL WORK IS THAT AGENCIES OR PUBLIC ENTITIES HAVE HIRED CONSULTANTS TO HELP DO THAT. SO MY GUESS IS THAT THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHEN WE COME BACK AND WHEN THE BUDGET OFFICE FINISHES THAT. >> CABELLO HAVRDA: OKAY. THANK YOU, THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CABELLO HAVRDA. COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ. >> PELAEZ: THANK YOU. WHAT'S BEEN SAID ABOUT ZERO BASED BUDGETING, I SUPPORT WHOLEHEARTEDLY, AND THERE'S NOT MUCH DAYLIGHT BETWEEN ME AND MY OTHER COUNCIL COLLEAGUES ABOUT THIS. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, AND THAT'S WHY I SIGNED THE CCR. AS FAR AS ALL THE OTHER CCRS, THE ONE ABOUT PARKING FOR 18-WHEELERS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE DO AT CITY COUNCIL, WE BALANCE COMPETING INTERESTS. WE'RE FACED WITH THE COMPETING INTERESTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS, BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES AGAINST THE INTERESTS OF THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO DRIVE 18-WHEELERS, RIGHT, AND ASKING THEM TO -- ASKING US TO ADOPT AN ORDNANCE AND ENFORCE, WHICH IN ESSENCE WILL PUSH 18-WHEELERS OUT OF THE PERIPHERY OF THE CITY AND THEN DOING NOTHING IS THE OPPOSITE OF COMPASSION AND EQUITY, AND SO I THINK THIS IS THE OTHER STEP THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, AND I SUPPORT IT. THE -- AS FAR AS THE INNOCENCE RECLAIMED, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT ALL OF THESE COUNCILMEMBERS ARE HERE GATHERED TODAY AFTER THE LUNCHEON WE ATTENDED, I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED SOON AFTER WE FILED THIS CCR AND SOON AFTER THE NEWSPAPER WROTE ABOUT IT, I GOT CONTACTED BY A PROFESSOR AT A LOCAL UNIVERSITY, SHE DOES RESEARCH FOR -- UNDER GRANTS PAID FOR BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN ORDER TO DO THOSE GRANTS, SHE NEEDS TO PASS AN ANNUAL BACKGROUND CHECK. SHE IS IN -- SHE IS IN A PLACE OF CRISIS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE RECENTLY, SHE -- WAS THAT MY TIME? >> NO. >> PELAEZ: NO. OKAY. RECENTLY, SHE COMMENTED ON ONE BECAUSE HER AND HER SIGNIFICANT OTHER WERE FIGHTING, THAT FIGHTING ES KALATED INTO HER NEEDING TO LEAVE THE HOUSE WITH HER CHILDREN, AND HE BLOCKED THE DOOR WITH HER CHILDREN AND, YOU KNOW, HER TOILET TRIES AND HER BAG IN [00:40:02] HAND, SHE TRIED TO PUSH HER WAY OUT OF THE HOUSE, HE WOULDN'T LET HER, SHE CALLED 911, A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY I'M NOT GOING TO NAME SHOWED UP AND ARRESTED HER FOR THE PUSHING OUT OF THE HOUSE, DESPITE THE FACT THAT HER SIGNIFICANT OTHER SAID, NO, NO, NO SHE WAS JUST TRYING TO GET BY ME, THERE WAS NO INJURY, SHE WAS ARRESTED ANYWAYS AND REMOVED, AND THAT'S BANANA PHONES CR CRAZY; RIGHT? AND SO SHE HAD READ ABOUT THE CCR, THIS EFFORT IN THE NEWSPAPER, AND SHE CALLED THROUGH A FRIEND OF FRIEND TO MY MOBILE, TOLD ME THE STORY, AND WHAT STANDS OUT AT ME IS THAT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT LAYERS OF ASSETS AND PRIVILEGE THAT THIS LADY HAS, RIGHT, NUMBER 1, SHE READS NEWSPAPERS. NUMBER 2, SHE BELONGS TO A NETWORK THAT IS CONNECTED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE FIND MY MOBILE NUMBER AND GET TO ME VERY QUICKLY; RIGHT, NUMBER 3, SHE'S HIRED A LAWYER AND THE CASE HAS BEEN DISMISSED VERY, VERY QUICKLY BY INTAKE OVER AT THE DAS OFFICE, BUT SHE'S GOT ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR A LAWYER WHO CAN TALK TO THE RIGHT PERSON TO GET IT DISMISSED. I FELT FOR HER, AND NEXT WEEK I'LL BE FILING AS HER LAWYER, HER EXSPONGEMENT PAPER, NORD TO GET HER RECORD CLEARED IN TIME AT THE NEXT BACKGROUND CHECK IN ORDER TO KEEP HER JOB AT THE UNIVERSITY. THERE ARE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN AND THROUGHOUT TEXAS WHO DON'T HAVE -- YOU KNOW, WHO DON'T ENJOY THE PRIVILEGES SHE ENJOYS AND THE ACCESS SHE ENJOYS, AND WHO ISN'T SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO CAN GIVE HER REALLY GOOD ADV ADVICE; RIGHT? THOSE PEOPLE ARE ARRESTED WRONGFULLY AND ARE GIVEN -- ANDT FORGOTTEN, RIGHT, AND THEN FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES, THEY HAVE DIFFICULTY GETTING JOBS, THEY HAVE DIFFICULTIES RENTING APARTMENTS, DIFFICULTY GETTING CREDIT, AND IT'S -- AND IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY. I THINK THAT WE DO A GREAT JOB HERE ABOUT EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT HOW TO GET ALBUTEROL FOR THEIR KIDS SO THEY DON'T HAVE ASTHMA. WE DO A GREAT JOB OF GIVING PEOPLE INFORMATION ABOUT DIABETES, LITTERING, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, KEEPING YOUR DOG SAFE, AND THIS IS JUST ONE MORE THING THAT I THINK WE CAN TAKE ON, WHICH IS EDUCATING PEOPLE AND GIVING THEM ASSISTANCE SO THAT THEY COULD REMOVE THAT ALBATROSS FROM AROUND THEIR NECK AND HAVE LIVES THAT ARE UNIMPEDED BY MISTAKES. SO THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR SUPPORTING THIS CCR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE ANY OF MY COMMENTS? SO I'M LARGELY IN SUPPORT OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION -- ACTUALLY, I'M IN SUPPORT OF ALL THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS SO TO GET FURTHER DUE DILIGENCE. I'LL GO THROUGH A FEW OF THEM. ON ITEM 3, ON INNOCENCE RECLAIMED, THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO FILED THIS. IT'S AN INNOVATIVE APPROACH. MY ONLY ASK IS THAT AS IT GOES THROUGH THE HEALTH AND EQUITY COMMITTEE IS THAT WE THINK ABOUT ELIGIBILITY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I CAN SEE A HUGE NEED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT WE HAVE AUDIENCES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY HINDERED. THEY HAVE BARRIERS TO ENTER SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS, WHETHER THAT'S READY TO WORK OR A HOUSING INITIATIVE, WHATEVER, THAT WE THINK ABOUT HOW WE COULD LINK UP A BENEFIT LIKE THIS TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE ACTUALLY BEING PREVENTED FROM THE JOB OR IN THIS CASE, A HOUSING BENEFIT OR WHATEVER. NO ISSUES WITH THE ZONING CCRS. I APPLAUSE COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO'S CONTINUED ADVOCACY OF HOUSING AFFORDABLE THROUGH THE SUER LATERAL PROGRAM, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THAT. SO COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE AND I HAVE DEBATED THE ISSUE OF ZERO BASED BUDGETING BEFORE. I FOUND ZERO BASED BUDGETING IN A LARGE INSTITUTION, I FOUND IT TO BE ENTIRELY ACADEMIC WITH LITTLE TO SHOW FOR IT. I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES OF LARGE INSTITUTIONS WHO HAVE USED ZERO BASED BUDGETING THAT HAVE HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCE. SO I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT GOING WHOLE HOG ON THIS ANALYSIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF HAS TO DO ITS DUE DILIGENCE AND COME BACK WITH SOME INFORMATION, BUT I THINK THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS DEFINE OUR TERMS FIRST BECAUSE I HEARD THE COUNCILMAN'S DESCRIPTION OF THE KIND OF BUDGET PROJECT HE WOULD LIKE, AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS OUTCOME BASED BUDGETING PROCESS, BUDGETING TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS [00:45:02] EXPECT. I SUPPORT THAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT ZERO BASED BUDGETING IS. HAVING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ZERO AND JUSTIFY EVERY PENNY THAT COMES OUT OF THAT DEPARTMENT IS IN MY OPINION A WASTE OF TAXPAYER STAFF. THAT'S WHERE I COME FROM. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE DEBATING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF IT. WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION LATER. I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THERE'S A WHOLE BROAD SPECTRUM OF OPINION ON THE SUITABILITY OF IT. IT'S BEEN DONE AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UNDER PRESIDENT CARVER STARTED A ZERO BASED BUDGETING PROCESS, PRESIDENT REAGAN UNWOUND IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FIND ANY BENEFIT FROM IT. MY POINT, THERE'S A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT ZERO BASED BUDGETING, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUDGETING PROCESSES. BEFORE WE DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF. YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF HOUSTON, I UNDERSTAND, HAS GONE THROUGH A ZERO BASED BUDGETING BEFORE. THE CITY OF HOUSTON IS IN SERIOUS BUDGETARY PROBLEMS, IT HAS SERIOUS ISSUES. THIS CITY HAS BEEN A FINANCIAL GOLD STANDARD FOR MANY ACROSS THE COUNTRIES. AND SO I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THAT. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I REALLY WANT TO CAUTIOUS US ABOUT IS WE FOR THE SEVEN BUDGETS IN A ROW NOW BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL FORTITUDE OF THIS BODY HAS FOCUSED ON EQUITY INVESTMENT. EQUITY BASED BUDGET, INVESTING IN THE WEST SIDE, SOUTH SIDE, AND EAST SIDE, TO AN EXTENTS THAT HAS BEEN WEIGHTED FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, AND WE'RE SEEING RESULTS OF THAT. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE DO NOT UNWIND THE EQUITY BUDGET PROCESS. IT'S BEGINNING TO DELIVER FOR RESIDENTS, AND WE HAVE TO STAY COMMITTED TO EQUITY FRAMEWORK AS WE ALLOCATE RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITY, OR ELSE WE SLIDE BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE. SO ALL OF THESE ARE CAUTIONARY NOTES. I'M NOT GETTING IN FRONT OF THIS PROCESS WHATSOEVER, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE AND BE THOUGHTFUL BEFORE WE ADOPT A PROCESS THAT WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE THAT HAS MIXED RESULTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT'S ADOPTED IT. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THAT, AGAIN, I SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON ALL OF THIS, LOOKING FORWARD TO A VIGOROUS DEBATE OF PARKING OF LARGE VEHICLES. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF LEVITY. SORRY. >> VERY LITTLE. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: OKAY. THANKS, JOHN. WITH THAT, LET'S ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ITEMS 2 THROUGH 8. THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL -- OR FOR -- HOW SHOULD I PHRASE THIS? FOR ADOPTING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON ITEMS 3-8. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY. HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. >> MAYOR, JUST ONE THING, THE SAWS REAPPOINTMENT, WE'LL WORK WITH SAWS TO SCHEDULE THAT BEFORE THE JULY BREAK OR THE SUMMER BREAK. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: GREAT. SO TIME IS 2:26:00 P.M. ON THE 17TH DAY OF MAY, 2024, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANKS, EVERYBODY. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.