* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THE TIME IS NOW 9 0 4 ON 16 MAY, 2024. THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL COME TO ORDER. UH, LADIES, IF WE COULD, LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. ROBERT TAPIA. PRESENT, ANN WEINER. PRESENT. PAUL HERNANDEZ. PRESENT. GEORGE GRIMES JR. PRESENT. DORIS ELISE. PRESENT. PRESENT. DWAYNE NELSON. PRESENT. DR. LINDA LOPEZ. RODRIGUEZ. PRESENT, FERNANDEZ PRESENT. JOEL SOLIS. SORRY. YEAH. HERE. JOEL THOMAS FRANKS PRESENT. KAYLA MIRANDA. PRESENT. ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ARE ERIC BURNS, SAVITA WRIGHT. LUCINDA ROCO FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AMIN TOMA, DEPUTY DIRECTOR DANNY EZ. CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR. ALICE GUDO, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER. JENNY RAMIREZ. CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER. ES DO ORTIZ DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SPECIALIST. AND MYSELF. JUDY KRUM. BSB. LIAISON CHAIR. CORM IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PROVIDES TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THIS AND ALL CITY MEETINGS. UH, SO, UH, IF WE COULD, LET'S HAVE SOMEONE READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES, UH, IN A LANGUAGE THAT I DO NOT SPEAK. . BRENDA, I DID SPEAK, DIDN'T I? ? JUST A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, JUST A LITTLE BIT. UH, A QUORUM IS PRESENT. PLEASE SIGN YOUR CELL PHONE OR ANY DEVICE THAT MAY DISRUPT THIS PUBLIC HEARING. NO PERSON SHALL DELAY OR DISRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS OR DISOBEY THE ORDERS OF THE CHAIR. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING ANY AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE SIGN IN ON THE PERSONS TO BE HEARD SHEET OR ADVISE A CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF MEMBER. ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK SHALL BE CALLED FORWARD WHEN THEIR RESPECTIVE CASE IS REACHED. IS REACHED. PLEASE NOTE THAT IT'S UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON PRESENT IN THE BUILDING TO SOLICIT OR PEDAL SERVICES REGARDING ANY PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THIS BOARD DURING THE COURSE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. AS PER CITY CODE SECTION 16 DASH 2 36. THANK YOU. UH, [ Approval of Minutes  ] THE BOARD HAS RECEIVED A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE NINE, NOVEMBER, 2023. UH, HOPEFULLY WE'VE ALL READ THROUGH THOSE, UH, DRAFT MINUTES. CHAIRMAN, ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS FRED ANDERSON. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UH, MINUTES AS OF NOVEMBER 9TH, 2023 AS IS. MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS DRAFTED BY MR. ANDES. I HAVE A SECOND CHAIR. COPY. SECOND. MR. TAPIA. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS DRAFTED FOR NINE NOVEMBER, 2023. SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NAY. ANY ABSTENTION MINUTES? CARRY AT, AT THIS [ Public Comments  ] TIME WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, AND, UH, MR. BURGESS, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. YOU'RE FIRST ON THAT LIST FOR SIGN IN CHAIR. CHAIR. THIS IS, THIS IS AMIN THOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. CAN WE HOLD OFF FOR A SECOND? WE ARE TRYING TO CHECK THE RECORDING AND THE STREAMING AND I CANNOT SEE IT. JUST HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE, PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO I GUESS WE CONFIRMED THAT HIS RECORDING, IT'S, UH, ERIC'S ERROR. , UH, LET ME VERIFY. WE ARE RECORDING. VERY GOOD. MR. BURGESS, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY. PLEASE COME FORWARD IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR HOME ADDRESS, SIR. GOOD MORNING BOARD. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS PAUL BURGESS. THE ADDRESS IS 2 10 22 GATHERING OAKS. I'M AN ATTORNEY. I'M SPEAKING TO YOU IN MY INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY. UM, THIS BOARD IS ILLEGITIMATE. UH, I THINK IF I, YOU PUT THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA, UM, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, YOU CAN CALL IT AN ETHICS AUDIT. UM, YOU CAN CALL IT A COMPLIANCE AUDIT, BUT I THINK IF YOU TAKE THIS STEP, I THINK IT WAS REAGAN THAT SAID TRUST, BUT VERIFY. THIS BOARD NEEDS TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VERIFY ITS LEGITIMACY. UH, MY FIRST APPOINT, MY FIRST APPEARANCE BEFORE YOU WAS ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO. I'VE DUG INTO THIS. I'M CONVINCED THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE JUDICIAL AUTHORITY TO DECLARE A PROPERTY OF PUBLIC NUISANCE. THAT'S AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL TAKING. I BELIEVE THE CITY [00:05:01] KNOWS THIS. THIS DECISION CAME OUT IN 2012, AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DISSOLVED THEIR DANGEROUS STRUCTURES BOARD AND CREATED THIS A CITIZENS BASED BOARD. AND MY BIGGEST STRUGGLE THROUGH ALL THIS WAS WHAT TO DO WITH YOU, YOUR CITIZENS. THIS SHOULDN'T BE THE HUNGER GAMES. UH, THE, THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT PIT US AGAINST EACH OTHER, AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SUE INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS FOR DOING THEIR DIRTY WORK. SO I IMPLORE YOU, PLEASE TAKE THE TIME, TRUST, BUT VERIFY, PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, AN ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE AUDIT WITH A THIRD NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY. HAVE THEM TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO YOU. OKAY? BECAUSE YOU'RE VIOLATING THESE PEOPLE'S CIVIL RIGHTS AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING AND YOU'RE DESTROYING LIVES. DID YOU GET THE, THE ATTACHMENTS THAT I SENT, I FORWARDED TO MS. KRUM. I SENT YOU FOUR DOCUMENTS. I DID NOT RECEIVE THOSE DOCUMENTS, SIR. MS. KRUM HERE. I HERE. DID YOU SEND THOSE THIS MORNING? YEP. WELL, SHE SENDS IT TO YOU. I GO THROUGH VERY QUICKLY OUSTED, THIS IS THE STUDY FROM 2020. UT FOUND THAT THIS BOARD DEMOLISHED 600 OCCUPIED STRUCTURES. THESE ARE STRUCTURES THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN, IN THE SAME FIVE YEAR PERIOD THAT HOUSTON, DALLAS, FORT WORTH AND AUSTIN DID A TOTAL OF 16. 16 DEMOLITIONS. YOU DID 600. NOW, THE CITY OF DISPUTES THAT NUMBER, IT SAYS IT WAS ONLY 400 OCCUPIED STRUCTURES. THIS IS FROM GROUNDED SOLUTIONS NETWORK. IT'S THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT AGENDA FOR SAN ANTONIO. MR. TOMEZ SITTING RIGHT THERE IS A, WAS A MEMBER, IS, AM I CORRECT? HIS NAME'S RIGHT THERE. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU READ THIS DOCUMENT. IT TALKS ABOUT THE DISPLACEMENT, THE ANTI DISPLACEMENT EFFORTS. OKAY. AND THE CITY ACKNOWLEDGES CODED ENFORCEMENT IS UNTRAINED, UH, SPECIFICALLY UNTRAINED IN, UH, IMPLICIT BIAS AND RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. UH, THEY'RE UNEDUCATED, THEY'RE HOSTILE TOWARDS THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THIS IS THE CITY'S FINDING. SO YOU GOT THE CITY OVER HERE SAYING, WE NEED TO STOP THESE DOLLARS. MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S BEEN THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I WOULD ALSO MAKE, I APPRECIATE IT, MR. I APPRECIATE IT, SIR, IT'S BEEN CHAIR, IT'S BEEN THREE MINUTES. PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD, AND I'LL ALLOW YOU A COUPLE MORE SECONDS IF YOU WOULD JUST PLEASE WRAP IT UP. I APPRECIATE THAT. GO AHEAD, PAUL, FOR 30 SECONDS. YOU CAN, YOU CAN GIVE ME ALL THE TIME YOU WANT. MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, BECAUSE I WANNA GET THROUGH FOR THE DAY. THANK YOU. SURE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, AND I ALSO HAVE A COMMENT AND REPLY TO YOU. SO GO AHEAD. YOU HAPPY TO DO SO? UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE SPECIFIC, UH, AGENDA ITEMS. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO GIVE FURTHER COMMENTS BEFORE YOU'VE TAKEN ANY ACTION. SO INDIVIDUALLY, I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE, UH, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. I WILL DO THAT FOR YOU, SIR. UH, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. HOWEVER, I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO TAKE THIS STATEMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS OPPOSED TO THIS BOARD, UH, BECAUSE THIS BOARD IS RESPONDING TO THE CHARGE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. UH, AND WHILE WE ALSO ARE RESPONDING TO THE CHARGE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, WE ALSO ARE GUIDED BY LEGAL COUNSEL. AS A RESULT, WE ARE FOLLOWING THAT COUNSEL AS WELL. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE CHARGE OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE'RE FOLLOWING THE GUIDANCE OF AN ATTORNEY. UH, AS A RESULT, THIS BOARD CANNOT RESPOND TO YOU OTHER THAN THE COMMENT I JUST MADE. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'LL, I WILL CALL YOU BACK UP ON EACH OF THE COUNCIL OF ISSUES ALSO, SIR, UH, THIS IS FRED ANDIS. IT, IT IS, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL IN SETTING THIS BOARD UP HAS TO ABIDE BY THE STATE LAW UNDER QUAD JUDICIAL. SO THE BOARD HAS NO AUTHORITY TO RESOLVE ITSELF. THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A COURT WHERE YOU CAN EITHER SUE THE CITY OR EVEN THE STATE THAT HAS A STATE LAW ON THIS. SO, FOR YOU TO COME IN HERE AND TELL US THAT THEY'RE UNEDUCATED PEOPLE WORKING FOR THE CITY THAT DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF BUILDING STRUCTURES, THEY ARE TRAINED AND MAYBE YOU NEED TO GET SOME OF THEIR GUIDANCE ON HOW THEY'RE TRAINED, THEIR CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS. WELL, LET, LET ME, I, I FIND IT OFFENSIVE THAT YOU COME IN HERE AND CALL PEOPLE WHO AREN'T EVEN IN HERE. UNEDUCATED WORKERS OF THE CITY. THANK YOU. YEAH. THOSE, THOSE WERE MY, THOSE WERE NOT MY COMMENTS, SIR. I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR. THOSE ARE THE CITY'S SAN ANTONIO'S COMMENTS. THESE ARE THEIR FINDINGS, MR. CHAIR. AND I'LL HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE STUDY FROM TEXAS A LITTLE BIT LATER. ALSO, IF YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND PLEASE BE SEATED AND I'LL CALL YOU BACK UP AS WE GET THROUGH EACH OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. MR. CHAIR, OH, WAIT A MINUTE. UH, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS SAVI RAI FROM LEGAL. YES, MA'AM. GO RIGHT AHEAD, PLEASE. UH, JUST TO, UH, LET Y'ALL KNOW, THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION [00:10:01] IS AT THIS POINT, CITIZENS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. UH, WE HAVE NO SPECIFIC PROPERTIES ON THE AGENDA TODAY. SO THIS IS THE ONLY TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE THREE MINUTES HAS BEEN MET. AND PAUL, AND HE'S HEADED TOWARD THE SEAT. THIS IS THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. I CAN SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA. PAUL, GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR FIRST NAME, BUT , WE, WE WERE INTRODUCED. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU PAUL. UH, LARRY OTT, IF YOU WOULD, DO YOU HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR? NOT SO, UH, WITH PAUL. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, MRS. LOUIE, NO, NO COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOVING [ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items  ] INTO THE AGENDA ITEM, UH, WE HAVE A CEREMONIAL ISSUE. AND AMIN, I THINK THIS IS YOUR TIME ON THE AGENDA. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR. GOOD MORNING. BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS EMIN THOMAS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UM, MORNING. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK HERE. UM, SO YES, WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, CEREMONIAL ITEMS. I HAVE, UH, FOUR BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT BOARD MEMBERS ANYMORE. EITHER RESIGNED OR, OR LEFT OR GOT, UM, THEIR POSITIONS WERE REAPPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE ONLY ONE MEMBER HERE, UH, WITH US. AND I WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. MS. EVELYN BROWN, SHE ACTUALLY STARTED ON THIS BOARD FROM THE INCEPTION. SO BASICALLY FROM 2012 SHE WAS ON THE BOARD. SHE SERVED AS A BOARD MEMBER AND THEN AS VICE CHAIR AND A CHAIR. AND SHE ACTUALLY DID A LOT FOR US, FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. WHEN I SAY US, I'M NOT SAYING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT OBVIOUSLY YES. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. BUT SHE REALLY DID A GREAT JOB THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, UH, AND THROUGHOUT THOSE YEARS, UH, GUIDING US AND HELPING US MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS. SO I JUST WANNA REALLY THANK HER FOR EVERYTHING SHE DID FOR US. AND OBVIOUSLY I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY OF YOU TO SAY ANY KIND WORDS FOR HER. UH, BUT SHE'S HERE WITH US AND, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERY MINUTE SHE SPEND WITH US HERE. UH, BEFORE YOU PRESENT THAT, THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT WORKING WITH EVAN. UH, THERE'S NO ONE MORE DEDICATED TO THE CHALLENGE THAT SHE WAS GIVEN AS PART OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. UH, SHE, SHE LISTENS TO THE PRESENTATIONS. SHE INTENTLY GETS INVOLVED IN THE PRESENTATIONS, UH, AND SHE ALLOWS THE BOARD TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PRESENTATIONS AS WELL AS CHAIRPERSON OF EACH OF THE PANELS. UH, SO IT'S BEEN REALLY A PLEASURE FOR ME TO WORK WITH EVELYN. UH, SHE'S INVOLVED IN THE CITY MORE THAN JUST THE ISSUE OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. SHE'S INVOLVED IN OTHER ACTIONS FOR THE CITY AND IS INVOLVED, UH, WITHIN HER, HER HOME AREA, AS WELL AS HER, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICT. SO IT'S REALLY A PLEASURE TO HAVE EVELYN AND RECOGNIZE THE PERFORMANCE SHE'S HAD. THIS ONE IS RECOGNITION FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, BUT SHE DES DESERVES RECOGNITION FOR WHAT SHE'S DONE FOR THE CITY IN TOTAL. AND I WOULD INVITE THE REST OF THE BOARD IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. YOU CAN MAKE 'EM AT THIS TIME. I JUST WANTED TO SAY EVELYN WAS THE CHAIRMAN WHEN I, WELL, SHE WASN'T THE FIRST YEAR, BUT THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND SHE DEFINITELY HELPED ME COME OUT A LITTLE MORE AND FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT SPEAKING ABOUT THINGS. AND I REALLY MISS HER. EVELYN, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE SEEN YOU. I'VE SAT BY YOUR SITE AS VICE CHAIR, BOTH ON PANELS AND AS THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GIVE TO THIS BOARD AND KEEP FIGHTING FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS JOEL SLAC. WELL, I LIKE TO REALLY THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR ME, UH, COMING ONTO THIS BOARD. THERE'S A LOT TO TAKE, TAKE IN, AND YOU HELPED ME, UH, DO THAT. AND I'M, UH, EXTREMELY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. AND OF COURSE, YOU YOUR WONDERFUL NATURE AND, UM, AND ALSO PROVIDING THE SNACKS FOR HERE. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. AND, AND UNLESS SOMEONE REALLY WISHES TO SPEAK, I'M GONNA CUT IT OFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO, I MEAN, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. WAIT A MINUTE. OH, SORRY, SORRY. UM, I, I NEVER FORGET, UM, THE FIRST REAL CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH EVELYN, UM, SHE WAS GETTING ON ME ABOUT NOT SAYING HELLO TO EVERYONE IN THE MORNING. I JUST COME IN AND SIT DOWN AND, UH, THANK YOU, UH, FOR MAKING THIS [00:15:01] A VERY INTERESTING EXPERIENCE. AND THANK YOU FOR GUIDING ME AND TEACHING ME. UM, AND IT'S DEFINITELY A CHANGE. ANYONE ELSE? I I WILL GIVE YOU A SECOND CHANCE. ANYONE ELSE? AMAN, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AND I, I GUESS I, AFTER HEARING WHAT YOU GUYS SAID, I JUST WANNA SAY ONE MORE THING. I BELIEVE MS. BROWN ATTENDED EVERY SINGLE MEETING UNLESS SHE WAS TRAVELING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AS YOU SAID, DEDICATION. I MEAN, SHE, SHE DID EVERYTHING SHE CAN. SO, MS. BROWN, AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE. THANK YOU. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND I KNOW NICE. THE MICROPHONE IS YOU, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING YOU NO, THAT MIGHT, I MIGHT BE BAD. OKAY. , I'M NOT GONNA SAY TOO MUCH, BUT THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. AND I DO MISS YOU ALL. AND Y'ALL KEEP DOING THE GOOD WORK IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I KNOW HAS TO BE DONE BY SOMEBODY. AND WE ARE THE, WE WERE THE CHOSEN ONES TO DO THIS. SO JUST HANG IN THERE AND HANG. TOUGH. THANK YOU. THIS IS BEAUTIFUL, JUDY. THANK YOU. CHAIR. UH, AS I MENTIONED, I HAVE THREE OTHER ONES, UH, MEMBERS, BUT THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY. SO WE WILL WORK WITH THEM AND, UM, EITHER IF THEY WANNA ATTEND THE NEXT MEETING POTENTIALLY, OR WE CAN, UH, MAIL, MAIL THE CERTIFICATIONS TO THEM. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY UPDATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IN THEIR NAMES. SURE. , WHY NOT? ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE, UH, MS. LISA CORTES WALDEN. SHE SERVED ON THE BOARD FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS ONLY, UNFORTUNATELY WAS QUICK. UH, MR. DAVID GARZA, HE SERVED FOR ABOUT YEAR AND A HALF ON THE BOARD, AND HE HELPED US THROUGHOUT, UH, CODE UPDATES WHEN HE, UH, WAS APPOINTED ON THE BOARD. THAT'S ABOUT THE TIME WE STARTED WITH THE CODE UPDATES. SO HE HELPED US WITH THAT. AND THEN MISS, UH, LENCIA HAYES, UM, SHE DID SERVE ON THE BOARD FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS AS WELL, BUT, UH, SHE HAD NEW JOB AND SHE HAD CONFLICT OF INTEREST, SO SHE HAD TO RESIGN. BUT AGAIN, ALL OF THEM DID REALLY GREAT WORK DURING THE TIME THEY, THEY'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD. SO YOU CAN GIVE THEM OUT REGARD AS WELL. WILL DO. THANK YOU MR. TAPIA. HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM OUR REGARDS PERSONALLY. HOPEFULLY WE GET THE BACKEND FOR ANOTHER MEETING. UPCOMING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE SELECTION OF THE VICE CHAIR. UH, MR. FRANKS HAS INDICATED DESIRE TO BE, UH, NOMINATED AND I WOULD MAKE THAT NOMINATION AS VICE CHAIR. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? UH, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS FRED ANIS. I SECOND THE NOMINATION. SAY AGAIN? I SECOND THE NOMINATION. NOMINATION SECOND, BUT LET'S LEAVE THE TABLE OPEN FOR ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FIRST. YEAH, I DIDN'T HEAR. THE NOMINATION WAS FOR THOMAS FRANKS. I NOMINATED ROBERT TAPIA. ROBERT TAPIA CHAIR. HE'S ALREADY, HE'S ALREADY CHAIR, VICE CHAIR. WAIT. HE IS, HE IS THE VICE. HE IS THE VI HE IS THE CHAIR OF THE PANEL. THE MOTION, THE, UH, OP THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD IN ITS ENTIRETY. SO YOUR NOMINATION IS ACCEPTED. UH, SO THOMAS FRANKS AND ROBERT TAPIA. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS CHAIR? WE CAN GET A SECOND ON THAT NOMINATION PLEASE. A SECOND FOR NOMINATION FOR I'LL TAPIA AND THE SECOND HAS BEEN MADE. WE WILL CLOSE NOMINATIONS UNLESS SOMEONE GETS AN ALIBI REAL QUICK. OKAY. WE HAVE TWO CANDIDATES, THOMAS FRANKS AND ROBERT TAPIA. AND IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. MR. TAPIA. AYE. FOR MYSELF, , I, MR. WEINER, ROBERT TAPIA, PAUL HERNANDEZ, ROBERT TAPIA, MR. GEORGE GRIMES JR. ROBERT TAPIA. DORIS ELISE, UH, ROBERT TAPIA, MS. DORIS SOLI, ROBERT TAPIA, DWAYNE NELSON, THOMAS FRANKS, DR. ALINDA LOPEZ RODRIGUEZ, TAPIA FERNANDEZ. MR. FRANKS, I, MR. JOEL SOLI TAPIA, THOMAS FRANKS, [00:20:01] MYSELF, KAYLA MIRANDA, UH, MR. TAPIA. SO YOU HAVE THE VOTE OF THREE TO EIGHT WITH MR. TAPIA AS A SB VICE CHAIR. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, ROBERT. UH, THE COMMENT WAS MADE, UH, AT THE, UH, PANEL THAT THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR ANOTHER VOTE IN TERMS OF A VICE CHAIR FOR THAT PARTICULAR PANEL. AND WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT. UH, IN THAT PARTICULAR PANEL, UH, WILL ALSO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE AND STAFF WILL ACTUALLY DIRECT IT, BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY TOLD JUDY WHOEVER SHE WANTS TO APPOINT TO WHICH PANEL WOULD BE FINE, AND THAT CAN MOVE ANY DIRECTION THAT SHE REQUIRES. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO JUDY TO DECIDE WHICH PANEL YOU AND I WOULD BE ON PER SE. UH, AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE OF OTHER SCHEDULES AND CHALLENGES, UH, WE'RE GOING, UH, TO, TO ACTUALLY ALLOW THE PRESENTATION OHP TO BE MADE AT THIS TIME. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. AM I ON? YES, YOU ARE ON. YES. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS KATHY RODRIGUEZ. I AM THE DEPUTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WORKING FOR THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. UH, TODAY I AM, UH, GOING TO GIVE YOU A, A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM, WHICH IS A PROGRAM I ADMINISTER FOR THE CITY. UM, BEFORE I MOVE ON, MAY I SEE A WORD ABOUT MS. BROWN? ABSOLUTELY. I'LL BE VERY QUICK. , IT'S KIND . YES, OF COURSE. GO AHEAD. SO, I HAD A MOMENT TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ON THE BSB AS WELL BEFORE BECOMING, UH, AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY. AND I WAS ABLE TO SERVE ALONG WITH MS. BROWN. AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT SHE EMBODIES THE SPIRIT OF, UH, SAN ANTONIO CITIZENS, AS YOU ALL DO, UH, GIVING THEIR TIME, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROCESSES. AS A PUBLIC ADMINISTRATOR, WE CAN'T DO OUR VERY BEST WORK WITHOUT THE ENGAGEMENT OF OUR CITIZENS. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK HER FOR HER YEARS ON THE BSB AND ALL OF THE OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS THAT SHE MAKES TO OUR CITY. THANK YOU. HOW DO I CHANGE THE, OKAY. THANK YOU. AS I MENTIONED, UM, LET ME SEE IF MY CLICKER'S WORKING. THAT WORKING? I DON'T THINK SO. UH, LET ME SEE. UH, THERE WE GO. OKAY. UM, SO I REPRESENT THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WHICH IS A PROGRAM THAT, UM, UM, TODAY I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR GOALS AND SOME OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE PROGRAM, AS WELL AS, UH, LETTING EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT AN EXPANSION OF OUR PROGRAM AREA THAT WENT INTO EFFECT JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED AS A PILOT PROGRAM IN 2015, IN THE HOPES OF ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH VACANT STRUCTURES IN SAN ANTONIO. WE, UH, HOPE THAT THE PROGRAM WILL, WILL FACILITATE AND FOSTER SAFER NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, ESPECIALLY AROUND VACANT STRUCTURES, AND SPUR REHABILITATION AND REUSE OF THIS EXISTING BUILDING STOCK. UM, AND ALSO REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT OUR PROPERTY OWNERS ARE FACING. THAT'S LEADING TO LONG-TERM VACANCY IN THE HOPES THAT WE COULD WORK WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS AND OUTSIDE PARTNERS TO FIND SOME SOLUTIONS TO CONNECT. OUR, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE PROGRAM WAS A PILOT PROGRAM IN 2015, FOR 18 MONTHS. AT THE END OF THE PILOT, CITY COUNCIL DID, UM, AGREE TO MAKE THIS A PERMANENT PROGRAM AT THE TIME IT WAS MADE PERMANENT IN 2017, THE PROGRAM AREA WAS EXPANDED, AND I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE DETAILS ABOUT WHERE OUR, OUR, UM, ORDINANCE IS, UM, UH, HAS JU JURISDICTION. UM, AT THE TIME OF THE EXPANSION IN 2017, WE WENT FROM 35 SQUARE MILES OF THE CITY TO 128 SQUARE MILES. SINCE THEN, THERE'S BEEN SOME EXPANSIONS TO THE PROGRAM AREA. SO WE'RE JUST OVER 200 SQUARE MILES OF THE CITY LIMITS. I ALWAYS DESCRIBE THE PROGRAM AREA AS IF YOU CAN THINK OF AREAS IN TOWN WHERE THERE'S ALREADY CITY POLICY IN PLACE TO SPUR REVITALIZATION. THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA FIND THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM. SO OUR JURISDICTION IS GOING TO BE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, NATURALLY THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT WE ALSO HAVE JURISDICTION OVER, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, THE CORRIDORS THAT ARE TURS CORRIDORS, AS WELL AS A BUFFER AROUND ACTIVE MILITARY BASES, INCLUDING PORT SAN ANTONIO AND BROOKS. AND THEN WE HAVE A BUFFER ZONE AROUND THESE AREAS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED. AS OF JANUARY, 2024, WE ADDED A THOUSAND FOOT BUFFER AROUND ALL SCHOOLS, PRIVATE AND PUBLIC WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF SAN ANTONIO. [00:25:01] AND THAT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR LANGUAGE THAT YOU HEAR YOUR CODE OFFICERS DESCRIBE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN BUFFER ZONES AROUND SCHOOLS. SO WE ARE NOW, UH, ALSO APPLYING THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE IN THOSE AREAS AS WELL. WE JUST HAD AN UPDATE TO OUR WEBSITE, UH, AS WELL AS OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS HAVE DONE THE SAME. UM, ON OUR WEBSITE, WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD RESOURCES, AND I INVITE YOU ALL WHEN YOU HAVE TIME TO VISIT OUR WEBSITE. YOU CAN LEARN A LOT ABOUT OUR PROGRAM. YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE ONLINE TOOLS, UH, AND ACCESS THAT WE HAVE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL AS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEMBERS. UM, ON OUR WEBSITE, THERE IS AN OPTION TO REPORT A VACANT STRUCTURE. YOU CAN DO THAT ANONYMOUSLY. UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, REGISTRATION ACCESS TO PROPERTY OWNERS ONLINE. ONE OF THE COMPONENTS IS THE PROGRAM IS THAT IF YOU ARE A VACANT STRUCTURE WITHIN THE PROGRAM AREA, YOU DO NEED TO REGISTER WITH US EVERY YEAR. UH, WITH THAT, THERE IS A REGISTRATION FEE, AND WE ALSO INSPECT THE PROPERTY ONCE A YEAR. AND OUR WEBSITE ALLOWS PROPERTY OWNERS TO CONVENIENCE. OF COURSE, THEY'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME AND VISIT WITH US, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE THIS OPTION AVAILABLE FOR THEM. WE ALSO HAVE, UH, OTHER RESOURCES ONLINE. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ARE IN SAN ANTONIO THAT MIGHT BE OF, UM, OF INTEREST TO PROPERTY OWNERS. FOR EXAMPLE, SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT THROUGH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES HAS LOTS OF, UH, HOUSING PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT IS OF INTEREST TO OUR PROPERTY OWNERS IS THE SMALL SCALE RENTAL REHAB PROGRAM WHERE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GET SOME FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO CONVERT THOSE VACANT STRUCTURES INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. UH, WE ALSO HAVE A LIST OF THE ACTIVE INVENTORY ON OUR WEBSITE. SO IF IT IS A VACANT STRUCTURE THAT IS CURRENTLY AN ACTIVE CASE, MEANING, UM, THEY'RE VACANT, THEY'RE TRYING TO MEET THE STANDARD OF CARE, YOU'LL FIND THEIR ADDRESSES LISTED, UM, ON A PDF AS WELL AS A EXCEL DOCUMENT ON OUR WEBSITE. THIS IS ALSO, UM, A TOOL FOR, UM, POTENTIAL INVESTORS, PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES THAT AN OWNER MIGHT BE WILLING TO REDEVELOP. UM, WE DO NOT BROKER ANY OF THOSE INTERACTIONS, BUT THE INFORMATION IS PUBLIC INFORMATION AND IS AVAILABLE ON A WEB, ON OUR WEBSITE IN THE HOPES THAT THERE CAN BE SOME NATURAL, UH, CONNECTIONS MADE IN THE COMMUNITY TO FIND LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS FOR THESE PROPERTIES. UM, ALSO WE HAVE A SHEET, UH, A SPREADSHEET THAT IS ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WE CALL AN ENFORCEMENT SPREADSHEET. THERE ARE A FEW, UH, STRUCTURES THAT ARE VERY HIGH INTEREST TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN VIOLATION, UH, FOR NUMEROUS YEARS. AND THEY'RE ALWAYS CURIOUS TO SEE WHERE, WHAT'S THE STATUS, WHAT ARE THE ACTIONS THAT WE'RE TAKING. SO WE DO PROVIDE A STATUS UPDATE THROUGH THIS ENFORCEMENT SPREADSHEET. AND IT IS AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE. YOU CAN ALSO FIND STAFF'S INFORMATION. WE'RE A SMALL BUT MIGHTY STAFF. THERE'S FIVE POSITIONS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THIS PROGRAM. AND OUR CONTACT INFORMATION IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE. THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF ACTIVE CASES. I BELIEVE THIS WAS TAKEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, BUT I ALWAYS LIKE TO SHOW THIS TO GIVE EVERYONE KIND OF AN IDEA OF WHAT ARE THE KIND OF PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE ENCOUNTERING MOST IN OUR PROGRAM. AND IT'S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT THAT ABOUT 64% ARE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES, AND THE REST IS GONNA BE OTHER THAT COULD BE MULTI-FAMILY OR COMMERCIAL. UH, WE DO DIVIDE UP OUR PROGRAM AREA BY ZONES. EACH ZONE HAS A CASE MANAGER THAT OVERSEES THE ACTIVE CASES WITHIN THAT ZONE. WE DON'T HAVE CODE OFFICERS AND STAFF ON STAFF. WE HAVE CASE MANAGERS BECAUSE WHAT WE REALLY WANNA DO IS, IS REALLY WORK WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. I MENTIONED THAT 64% OF THEM ARE SINGLE FAMILY. AND I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME WE CHECKED THAT STAT OF THE 64, 80% OF THOSE ARE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. I THINK SOMETIMES THERE'S A PERCE PERCEPTION THAT THESE ARE ALL OUT OF TOWN OWNERS THAT COLLECT PROPERTIES, AND THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE. BUT WE DO HAVE A, A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELF, AND THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER PROPERTY THEY OWN. SO IF WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO FIND A LONG-TERM TERM SOLUTION, THAT'S A POTENTIAL INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY FOR, UM, A FAMILY OR A, UM, A SENIOR CITIZEN. AND SO WE WANNA BE ABLE TO, UM, HELP THEM ACHIEVE STANDARD OF CARE SO THAT THEY CAN RETAIN THAT STRUCTURE, UM, AND MAYBE POTENTIALLY HAND IT OVER TO A FAMILY MEMBER, WHICH IS GONNA ENCOURAGE THE GROWTH OF GENERATIONAL WEALTH. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR US TO FILE MUNICIPAL COURT CASES AGAINST PROPERTY OWNERS. AND WE DO THAT FOR SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY OWNERS. WE TRY TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW US TO GIVE THEM TIME [00:30:01] TO COME UP WITH A, UH, MAINTENANCE PLAN, UM, OR POTENTIALLY SELL IF THAT'S WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO. UM, BUT WE, THIS ORDINANCE IS UNIQUE IN THAT WAY THAT IT DOES ALLOW US TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT IT DOES AS WELL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TEETH THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FILE CASES AGAINST. PROPERTY OWNERS THAT DON'T COMMUNICATE WITH US DON'T MAKE EFFORTS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION TOO, IN THIS SNAPSHOT, IT'S ABOUT 900 ACTIVE CASES AND WE TEETER AROUND 8 29 20 ACTIVE CASES. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS THERE'S USUALLY AN EVEN FLOW OF NEW CASES COMING ON BOARD AND CASES THAT WE'RE RESOLVING AND REMOVING. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A STAGNANT, UH, LIST THAT IS KIND OF FLUID. UM, BUT WE USUALLY STAY AROUND AT 850 CASES. I MENTIONED THE STANDARD OF CARE. THE STANDARD OF CARE IS IMPORTANT TO, TO, UH, BUILD AWARENESS AROUND BECAUSE IT REALLY IMPACTS WHAT AN OWNER'S REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA BE UNDER OUR ORDINANCE. SO THE MINIMUM STANDARD OF CARE, UH, IN A NUTSHELL IS REALLY KIND OF LOOKING AT THE BUILDING ENVELOPE. UH, IS THE ROOF IN GOOD REPAIR? THE SIDING IS, UH, UH, GOOD REPAIR IS PAINTED SO IT'S PROTECTED FROM THE ELEMENTS. WINDOWS AND DOORS NEED TO BE IN PLACE AND THEY NEED TO BE FUNCTIONING. THAT IS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR, ON OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS BY LOOKING LIKE A SCARY BOARDED UP BUILDING. UM, IT ALSO, IF A, IF A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY MEETS THE STANDARD OF CARE, THEY BECOME EXEMPT FROM THE PROGRAM SO THAT PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT HAVE TO REGISTER AND DOES NOT HAVE TO BE INSPECTED ON ANNUAL BASIS. WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ENCOURAGE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THESE STRUCTURES, IF AN OWNER WANTS TO KEEP IT VACANT, THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT? BUT IT NEEDS TO MEET THE STANDARD OF CARE SO THAT IT'S NOT HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE OWNERS. IF IT IS A COMMERCIAL OR A NONS SINGLE FAMILY, MEANING MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE OR A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, IF IT MEETS THE STANDARD OF CARE, THEY STILL NEED TO REGISTER. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP IT VACANT. BUT IF IT MEETS THE STANDARD OF CARE, THEY HAVE TO REGISTER EVERY YEAR. BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY THE REGISTRATION FEE. BUT THEY DO NEED TO STAY ON THE REGISTRY. SINCE 2015, WE'VE HAD A THOUSAND SUCCESSES AND THOSE ARE PROPERTIES THAT WERE VACANT THAT SINCE THEN HAVE BEEN REPAIRED, HAVE BEEN OCCUPIED, OR HAVE A BRAND NEW OWNER WHO HAS A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THOSE STRUCTURES. UM, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT YOU CAN RESOLVE A CASE JUST SIMPLY COMING INTO COMPLIANCE. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, MAKING THOSE REPAIRS OR, UM, UH, SOMETIMES DEMOLITION IS THE RESULT. UM, YOU KNOW, IN OUR WORK, DEMOLITION IS NOT PROHIBITED, BUT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO GO THROUGH. AND SO BY MEETING THAT MINIMUM STANDARD OF CARE, UM, NUMBER ONE, IT HELPS PROLONG THE LIFE OF THAT STRUCTURE. BUT SHOULD THEY WANNA PURSUE DEMOLITION, THEY CAN DO THAT THROUGH THE STANDARD APPLICATION PROCESS VERSUS HAVING TO BE AN ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA. SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOT CIRCUMVENTING OTHER PROCESSES REQUESTING OR, OR RELATED TO DEMOLITION BY REALLY KIND OF PUSHING THIS IDEA THAT THEY MEET THAT STANDARD OF CARE SO THAT THAT BUILDING IS PROTECTED FROM THE ELEMENTS UNTIL THEY DECIDE WHAT THEIR LONG-TERM PLAN IS. YOU KNOW, THAT THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH VACANT STRUCTURES ARE COMPLEX. UM, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CONDITION OF PROPERTIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL, UM, ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. UH, MAYBE THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE HOMELESS POPULATION THAT ARE, UH, UTILIZING VACANT STRUCTURES. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE WORK WITH OUR CITY PARTNERS. UM, AND THESE ARE JUST A FEW THAT I WANTED TO NAME. WE DO WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES. IF THERE IS A VACANT STRUCTURE THAT IS SUBJECT TO, UH, MAYBE VAGRANT OR INDIVIDUALS BEING ON SITE THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE, UH, TO HELP CONNECT THEM WITH RESOURCES. WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE DSD TEAM, WHICH DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE WORK WITH THEM ON THE DP PROCESS. UH, SO A LOT OF THE CASES THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR AGENDA, WE'VE COLLABORATED ON THOSE, UM, AND TRYING TO DO THE MOST THAT WE CAN TO MAKE THE MAXIMUM IMPACT WE CAN WITH OUR ORDINANCE. BEFORE IT'S AN ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION, OF COURSE, WE WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PART OF THE REGISTRATION PROCESS. AS THE OWNER MUST SUBMIT A NO TRESPASSING AFFIDAVIT THAT NEEDS TO BE ON FILE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THAT ALLOWS THEM TO TAKE ACTION, UH, SHOULD THEY ENCOUNTER INDIVIDUALS ON A VACANT, UH, IN A VACANT PROPERTY THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. AS I MENTIONED, WE WORK WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES TO HOPEFULLY CONNECT THESE VACANT STRUCTURES WITH SOME PROGRAMS THAT COULD COME UP WITH A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. AS I MENTIONED IN 2024, UM, CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE AN EXPANSION OF THE PROGRAM AREA THAT [00:35:01] NOW INCLUDES A THOUSAND FEET BUFFER AROUND ALL SCHOOLS THAT'S PRIVATE AND PUBLIC. UM, AND THAT, THAT PRETTY MUCH MAKES OUR FOOTPRINT CITYWIDE. SO, SO WE'RE NOT JUST IN THE CORE, WE'RE NOT JUST IN LOOP FOUR 10. UM, BUT OUR PROGRAM AREA IS CITYWIDE. UH, WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH THOSE SCHOOLS. WE SENT THEM A BROCHURE TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAM. AND THAT WAY THEY KNOW THAT IF THEY ENCOUNTER ANY VACANT STRUCTURES THAT ARE WORRISOME, UH, AROUND THEIR CAMPUSES, THEY, THEY KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO REPORT THOSE SO THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND BEGIN TO WORK WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. THAT'S MY INTERVIEW, THAT'S MY OVERVIEW FOR TODAY. UH, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR FOLLOW UP THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIR? THIS IS FRED ANDIS. GO AHEAD. WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE HAVE EXPANDED AROUND SCHOOLS OF THOUSAND AND YOU STATE THIS IS STILL A A TEST PILOT PROGRAM? OH, NO, NO SIR. NO SIR. SO IN, IN 2015, IT WAS AN 18 MONTH PILOT PILOT PROGRAM. AND IN 2017, C CITY COUNCIL MADE IT A PERMANENT PROGRAM. SO IN THAT CASE, IF YOU'RE CITYWIDE, WHY DO WE ONLY SEE THREE ZONES? WHY IS IT NOT SET UP LIKE THE DISTRICTS? YES. YES. SO THE ZONES ARE, SO WE HAVE A SMALL STAFF. SO I HAVE THREE CASE MANAGERS THAT HAVE TO MANAGE THIS ENTIRE PROGRAM AREA. SO WE DIVIDE 'EM UP BY ZONES SO THAT THEY KNOW THE AREAS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. IF YOU VISIT OUR PROGRAM MAP ON OUR WEBSITE, THAT MAP WILL TELL YOU WHAT ZONE THAT PROPERTY'S IN. IT'LL GIVE YOU THE NAME OF THE CASE MANAGER WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AREA. IT'S JUST A WAY FOR US TO TIE THAT TO THE STAFF PERSON THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU'RE EXPANDED TO SCHOOLS MM-HMM. AND THEY'RE NOT IN THAT ZONE. PLUS IN SOME OF THE DISTRICT, AND I'LL MENTION DISTRICT FIVE ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE THE OLDEST DISTRICT THAT WE SEE A LOT OF HOUSES COME BEFORE US. YES. HOW DO WE KNOW WHICH ONES ARE IN THE PROGRAM OR NOT? IF THEY'RE ZONED AND THE ZONE DOESN'T FIT THAT SPECIFIC DISTRICT? SO THE PROGRAM AREAS, UH, AND THE WEST SIDE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. UM, THOSE SCHOOL BUFFER ZONES ARE ALREADY IN THE EXISTING PROGRAM AREA. 'CAUSE OUR PROGRAM EXISTED ALREADY AT ABOUT 130 SQUARE MILES OF THE CITY. AND SO THERE IS SOME OVERLAP THERE. CAN WE SEE THAT MAP? YES. YEAH. YES. SO YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, THE KIND OF PINK AND SALMON COLORS JUST WEST OF DOWNTOWN. THOSE ARE ALL EXISTING PROGRAM AREAS. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT KNOWING IF SOMETHING IS IN THE PROGRAM AREA, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING VERY EASY. OUR, OUR MAP ON OUR WEBSITE'S VERY EASY TO USE. YOU CAN JUST PLUG IN AN ADDRESS AND IT'LL TELL YOU IMMEDIATELY IF IT'S IN THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM, IF IT'S SUBJECT TO THAT ORDINANCE. I, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE AGAIN, DISTRICT FIVE IS, IS DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. MM-HMM. . YES. SO IT, SO IT CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH IS MOST OF IT'S THAT GREEN AREA THERE IN THE MIDDLE. RIGHT? THAT'S EXISTING PROGRAM AREA TO THE WEST OF DOWNTOWN. UM, THERE'S A FEW, UH, THERE'S TURS THAT ARE IN THE WEST OF DOWNTOWN AND BUFFER ZONES AROUND THAT, WHICH MAKES THAT KIND OF ORANGEY SALMON COLOR, WHICH IS GONNA BE TO THE LEFT OF THE GREEN. THAT IS ALL EXISTING PROGRAM AREA AS WELL. SO THE GREEN WOULD BE IN THAT OR NO? YES. YES. THE GREEN IS ALSO SUBJECT TO DOOR. YES. 'CAUSE IT'S OVERLAPPING THE THAT'S CORRECT. YES. SO IF I WERE TO PUT A DISTRICT MAP UP ON THIS ONE, AN OVERLAY, IT WOULD GIVE ME WHAT PART OF THE DISTRICT THESE WOULD FALL IN. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. I BELIEVE THE, THE ONE STOP MAP ALSO HAS OUR VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM LAYER ON THERE. UH, AND SINCE THAT MAP HAS THOSE LAYERS OF LIKE CITY COUNCILS, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT PROGRAM AREAS ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS. AND WE CAN ALSO GENERATE MAPS LIKE THAT. IF YOU'RE CURIOUS, I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU, UM, I COULD SEND TO STAFF THAT COULD SEND YOU A MAP THAT SHOWS EXACTLY THE DISTRICT THAT YOU REPRESENT, WHERE THOSE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM AREAS ARE. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT FOR, FOR ALL OF YOU, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT AS CITIZENS TO KNOW WHAT, AND MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE IS DO YOU GUIDE THEM TO DIRECTIONS WHERE THEY COULD PROBABLY GET FUNDING FOR THIS AREA? 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR THAT MENTIONED. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SO WE TRIED TO, UH, PARTNER NOT ONLY WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, BUT OUTSIDE AGENCIES WITH ANY SERVICES AVAILABLE THAT COULD BE HELPING A PROPERTY OWNER. AND I THINK THE BIGGEST TOOL THAT THEY NEED TO UTILIZE IS LEGAL ASSISTANCE WITH CLEARING TITLES. AND I THINK YOU MAY HEAR THAT OFTEN IN THE CASES THAT YOU HEAR. THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE LARGEST OBSTACLES WE HAVE, IS THAT FOLKS DON'T PUT INSTRUMENTS INTO PLACE. SO THEN WHEN THEY PASS THEIR PROPERTY GOES TO, UH, A FAMILY MEMBER AND THERE'S A CLEAR TITLE, [00:40:01] THEY DON'T DO IT SOON ENOUGH. EXACTLY. SO WE REALLY PROMOTE, LIKE TRANSFER UPON DEATH DEEDS WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE SO THAT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE HAVE FEWER AND FEWER OF THOSE TYPES OF CASES. UM, AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES, THEY LEAD A LOT OF CLINICS WHERE THEY INVITE FOLKS TO COME IN AND, AND FILL OUT THOSE INSTRUMENTS AND THEY HAVE SOME, UH, UM, VOLUNTEER ATTORNEYS ON, UM, AT THOSE EVENTS TO HELP THE PROPERTY OWNERS THROUGH THAT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M JUST GONNA RAISE ONE, UM, WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. IT'S A, SOUNDS LIKE A WONDERFUL PROGRAM THAT YOU'VE GOT IN PLACE. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY HELPFUL FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ESPECIALLY BEING, YOU KNOW, CITY THAT'S IN THE TOP 10. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE OUR POOR CITY AND SO WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP MAINTAIN OUR CHARACTER AND STRUCTURE. UH, I WOULD JUST ADD ON, ON, ON, ON THE, YOUR PRESENTATIONS. YOU DIDN'T MENTION THE ENTIRE BUILDING STOCK OR HOUSING STOCK. THAT MIGHT BE ONE THING TO INCLUDE THERE. AND THE OTHER IS, I KNOW YOU HIT ON IT JUST A LITTLE BIT. I'M REALLY GLAD YOU HIT ON THE, THE CLEAR TITLE. MM-HMM. . THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT WE SEE HERE. UM, BUT THE STRAIN ON PUBLIC, UH, SERVICES OF HAVING THESE VACANT BUILDINGS OUT THERE. IF YOU COULD JUST SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON YOUR PRESENTATION DESCRIBING WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE. NOT A DEEP DIVE, JUST KIND OF QUICK OVERVIEW ON HOW THESE THINGS ARE IMPACTING THE CITY CITY FUNDING. ABSOLUTELY. SO ACTUALLY I'M, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO IS, AS A CASE STUDY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT ARE THE COST BURDENS, UH, FROM CITY RESOURCES FOR VACANT STRUCTURES. UM, SO OFTEN, AND I THINK CODE ALSO MAY TALK ABOUT THIS IN SOME OF THEIR PRESENTATIONS, BUT CITY RESOURCES THAT GET USED FOR VACANT STRUCTURES ARE CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO, SO STAFF TIME TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF TIME, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDING TO CALLS, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UNFORTUNATELY VACANT STRUCTURES, UH, USUALLY FALL VICTIM TO FIRES THAT HAPPEN. UM, AS WELL AS DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES RESPONDING, UH, TO INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY NEED SOME SERVICES AND ASSISTANCE THAT WE ENCOUNTER ON VACANT STRUCTURES. UM, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO THAT. OH, AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WHEN PROPERTIES ARE NOT WELL MAINTAINED, THAT AFFECTS THE PROPERTY VALUE AND THE TAX ASSESSMENT, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, CITIES AND COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, DO RELY ON THAT TAX REVENUE TO, TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN SERVICES. SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS. UM, AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS TO PROPERTY OWNERS TOO. WE OFTEN TELL THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY UNTIL YOU'RE READY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. IT'LL BE MORE VALUABLE TO YOU WHEN YOU DO DECIDE TO SELL THAN JUST SELLING A VACANT LOT. UM, AND THERE'S ALSO THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO MAKE IT AND INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY AND EXACTLY. YES. YES. AND THE, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT TOO. SO THE REGISTRATION PACKET DOES REQUIRE THAT THEY SHOW US THAT THEY HAVE INSURANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE POLICY TO COVER, UH, AN UNOCCUPIED STRUCTURE. UM, SO THE PACKET INCLUDES THE INSURANCE, PROOF OF INSURANCE, THE NO TRESPASSING AFFIDAVIT, A PLAN WITH A TIMELINE ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO REPAIR TO MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARD OF CARE, AS WELL AS, UH, CONTACT INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THEM. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK ANOTHER OBSTACLE IS IF WE DON'T HAVE A PHONE NUMBER OR AN EMAIL OF A PROPERTY OWNER, IT'S HARD FOR US TO OFFER THEM ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS WHEN THEY GET A LETTER FROM THE CITY, THEY'RE NOT REALLY ANXIOUS TO GIVE US A PHONE CALL. UM, BECAUSE THE ONLY INFORMATION WE HAVE IS WHAT BCA PROVIDES AS OWNER CONTACT. SO WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE DIGGING TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND SOMEONE'S PHONE NUMBER OR EMAIL SO THAT WE CAN OFFER THEM. MAYBE IT'S A FEE WAIVER. WE WOULD MUCH RATHER THEY PUT THEIR MONEY INTO REPAIRING THAT STRUCTURE THAN PAYING THE REGISTRATION FEE. AND THEY MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR A FEE WAIVER, BUT WE CAN'T SHARE THAT WITH THEM IF THEY DON'T REACH OUT TO US. SO WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO CALL US. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING SAN ANTONIO FAMILY FRIENDLY. THANK YOU MR. TAPIA. YES. IT'S ROBERT TAPIA. UH, I APPLAUD YOUR PRESENTATION AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I THINK IT'S GREAT. I THINK IN ADDITION, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF EDUCATING THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO COME FORTH AND GIVING THEM THE CONFIDENCE TO COME FORTH. THERE IS HELP AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP. YES. UM, AND THAT'S REALLY KEY. I THINK NOW IT'S JUST EDUCATING, IT'S A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE TAPPED INTO. I APPLAUD YOUR STAFF. YOU NEED DOUBLE THE STAFF AND, UH, WE'RE HERE IF YOU NEED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, AND GO AHEAD. IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT QUESTION, I GUESS BESIDES THEIR OWN PROPERTY VALUE, IT AFFECTS THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY VALUE. AND THIS IS A QUESTION BECAUSE I'M NOT A NATIVE SAN ANTONIO, WHAT IS THE OLDEST CITY IN TEXAS? BIG CITY IN TEXAS, SAN ANTONIO. THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK IT'S US. YOU KNOW, [00:45:01] WE REACHED OUR 300, UH, A FEW YEARS BACK, SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE OLDEST INCORPORATED CITY, SO THAT REALLY AFFECTS THE HOUSING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S VERY OLD AND THAT WAS MORE OF A, A QUESTION STATEMENT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE. THANK YOU. AND I, I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO, SO WORKING IN PRESERVATION FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, I'VE LEARNED THAT PRESERVATION DOESN'T HAPPEN IF IT'S NOT A VALUE OF THE COMMUNITY. UM, BECAUSE CITY STAFF CAN'T NECESSARILY FORCE THAT, UH, POSITIVE OUTCOME. WE CAN DESIGNATE STRUCTURES, BUT THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE A WILLINGNESS TO CONSERVE THEM, TO INVEST IN THEM, UH, AND TO REALLY VALUE THEM. AND SO CITY, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS SO MANY HISTORIC RESOURCES BECAUSE THE CITIZENRY OVER THE GENERATIONS, IT WAS, IT WAS PART OF THEIR VALUE SYSTEM. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MANY FINAL CHALLENGE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. MS. RODRIGUEZ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. HAVE A GOOD DAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. THANK YOU MR. ROGER. MS. BUR BURGESS, EXCUSE ME, AT YOUR REQUEST. UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND BECAUSE WE ARE RECORDED AND SOMEONE MAY ENTER THE RECORDING AT A MIDPOINT, I WOULD ASK YOU AGAIN TO STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR HOME ADDRESS AND ALSO IF YOU WOULD, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LEGAL. UH, WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO, UM, IS CONTINUE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTER EIGHT SECTION, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS. THAT PART HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. UM, SO I'M GOING TO, UM, DIRECT US THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. THANK YOU MR. BURGESS. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I'M TAKING GUIDANCE OF COUNSEL AND I'M CERTAIN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ISSUE. GUIDANCE OF COUNSEL. WELL, LET, LET ME PUT MY REQUEST ON THE RECORD. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACTS ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA. I WOULD LIKE MY THREE MINUTES, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO, THIS IS LEGAL. WE'RE MOVING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU WOULD HAVE A SEAT. YOU'RE DOING SO IN VIOLATION OF TEXAS LAW. I ACCEPT THAT FACT. OKAY, MR. ES, IF YOU NEED TO SIT DOWN, BE SEATED. MR. CHAIR IS NOW, UH, MR. CHAIR. JUST YES MA'AM. GET ON THE RECORD. THIS IS LEGAL. UH, THE OPEN REC OPEN MEETINGS ACT REQUIRES THAT PUBLIC COMMENT BE ALLOWED AFTER ANY ITEM THAT OFFICIAL ACTION IS BEING TAKEN ON. WE HAVE NONE TODAY SINCE THIS IS A TRAINING SESSION. SO I WANT THAT PUT ON THE RECORD. AND THEN NOW IF WE COULD GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE TIME IS NOW 9 51. UH, ON 16 MAY, 2024, THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD WILL RECESS FROM THE OPEN MEETING AND CONVENE AT EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL TO DISCUSS ATTORNEY-CLIENT MATTERS PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 5 5 1 0.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. UH, WE'RE ADJOURNED RIGHT NOW. I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE TOPIC IS ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. WHAT'S THE TOPIC? THAT IS LEGAL COUNSEL ISSUES THEN. AND THAT IS NOT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT'S WHAT EXECUTIVE SESSIONS ARE ABOUT. THE TIME IS NOW 10 31 ON 16, MAY, 2024, UH, THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD WILL NOW RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION. NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND AT THIS TIME WE WILL MOVE TO MR. MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ON MY AGENDA BUT THIS TIME. BUT GO AHEAD, . SINCE YOU'RE THERE. THANK YOU. YEAH, THEY JUST TOLD ME TO WALK HERE AND I WAS LIKE, IT'S NOT MY TURN. AND THEY TOLD ME YES IT IS. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WANNA PUT IT ON RECORD. I TOLD HIM YOU WANT ME TO GO AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSIONS SINCE YOU GUYS ARE UPSET. SO I DON'T WANNA BE THE FIRST ONE TALKING AND . BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE GLAD YOU ARE HERE, . THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON OUR PERFORMANCE SO FAR THIS YEAR. UM, AS YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR WE PROVIDE YOU WITH OUR PERFORMANCE METRICS AND UH, WHERE WE STAND AND WHAT WE DID SO FAR. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR PERFORMANCE METRICS FOR, UH, UP TO DATE, BASICALLY UP TO THE END OF APRIL. UM, SO WE DID TOTAL OF 89,000 CASES SO FAR BETWEEN PROACTIVE AND REACTIVE CASES. SO WE ARE ON TRACK TO HIT ABOUT 150,000 CASES AT THE END OF THE YEAR. IF WE LOOK AT 12 MONTH, UH, OUR RESPONSE TIME, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MEASURES WE, WE LOOK AT WHEN WE GET TIER ONES, THOSE ARE THE LIFE SAFETY CASES OR, UH, CALLS WE RECEIVE. UH, WE NEED TO RESPOND WITHIN TWO DAYS. UM, OUR PERFORMANCE RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY WE ARE HITTING THAT IN ONE DAY. SO WE ARE RESPONDING QUICKER THAN UH, OUR, OUR ALLOWANCE IF YOU WILL. THEN TIER TWOS ARE KIND OF ALL THE OTHER CASES. UH, WE HAVE THREE DAYS TO RESPOND AND WE ARE ACTUALLY RESPONDING IN ONE DAY AS WELL SO FAR. SO WE ARE REALLY DOING THE TEAM'S DOING REALLY AWESOME. UM, AS YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE YEARS AGO WE WERE AT LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT DAYS TO RESPOND. THAT WAS KIND OF DURING COVID TIMEFRAME AND ALL THAT AND VACANCIES, BUT NOW WE ARE DOING REALLY AWESOME. UH, THE PROACTIVE RATE [00:50:01] IS BASICALLY HOW MANY CASES WE SEE WHILE WE ARE GOING AROUND AND TAKING CARE OF THE CALLS WE RECEIVED. SO WHEN WE GET A CALL FROM THREE ONE ONE, THAT'S A REACTIVE CALL. WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO IT WITHIN, AGAIN TWO DAYS OR THREE DAYS DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL. WHEN WE GO TO DO THAT, IF WE SEE ANYTHING ON OUR WAY OR AROUND THAT AREA, WE PICK UP THOSE CASES. SO THOSE ARE THE PROACTIVE ONES. WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO 65% PROACTIVE CASES AND ACTUALLY WE ARE AT 83% YEAR TO DATE. THE COMPLIANCE RATE WE HAVE TO, UM, COMPLETE AND CLOSE CASES WITHIN 45 DAYS. UH, 90% OF THOSE CASES NEED TO BE DONE, UH, WITHIN 45 DAYS. WE ARE AT 91%. WE, WE MADE IT. WE ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOVE THAT, WHICH IS GOOD. SO THAT'S REALLY CODE ENFORCEMENT. UH, IN REGARD TO GRAFFITI, UH, WE LOOK AT TWO MEASURES. ONE IS THE SITES, THE NUMBER OF SITES WE ABATE AND TAKE CARE OF BASICALLY. AND THEN THE TURNAROUND TIME, WHICH IS AGAIN OUR RESPONSE TIME. WE NEED TO DO 50,000 UH, SITES IN A YEAR. WE ARE AT 31,000 RIGHT NOW. YEAR TO DATE, IF I LOOK AT THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR, IT'S ABOUT 25,000. SO IN ANOTHER SIX MONTHS WE SHOULD HIT THE 50,000. WE'RE ON TRACK. UH, THE RESPONSE TIME IS THREE DAYS. UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY RESPONDING IN ONE DAY AS WELL. SO THE TEAM'S DOING REALLY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS? GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO QUESTIONS. GOT OFF EASY TODAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE ON THE AGENDA COURT OF THIS TIME. . ALRIGHT, I'LL WAIT A SECOND. ALONG. . ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME? AM I DOING THE CHAPTER SIX? CHAPTER SIX? YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I, I THINK, UM, ITEM E, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. IT'S TALKING ABOUT CHAPTER SIX. BASICALLY C CITY CODE UPDATE. I BELIEVE DANNY DID BRIEF ONE OF THE PANELS AND I BRIEFED THE OTHER PANEL IN REGARDS TO THAT. AND NOW WE HAVE THE FULL BOARD HERE. JUST KIND OF TO REMIND YOU WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND AGAIN, OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. I KNOW WHEN I PRESENTED THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS, WHICH IS TOTALLY GOOD. I MEAN, WE ONLY TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF THE NEW 2021 PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE AND WE REVIEWED EVERY LINE ITEM AND DECIDED ON AMENDMENTS AND ALL THAT. NORMALLY WE DO CREATE, I CALL IT SUBCOMMITTEE FROM THIS BOARD. AND THEY DO THAT REVIEW ALL THE, THE LEGWORK BASICALLY AND THE HARD WORK. THEY MEET BUNCH OF TIMES AND GO THROUGH EVERY LINE ITEM AND AFTER THAT WE BRING IT BACK TO THE FULL BOARD AND THEN YOU GUYS MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN WE GO TO COUNCIL AND SO FORTH. LAST YEAR WHAT WE DID IS WE DID THAT, BUT WE TRIED TO COPY WHAT WE HAVE IN CHAPTER 10. THAT'S THE BUILDING CODE, BUILDING AND FIRE CODE WHERE IT ALLOWS US TO BRING UP TO FOUR CITIZENS TO BE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE TO HELP US WITH THOSE DECISIONS. SO WE DID THAT LAST YEAR ACTUALLY WE DID IT ON BUILDING CODES IN CHAPTER 10. FIRE CODES, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL. WE DID THAT THERE, BUT WE DID IT IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE AS WELL WHERE WE HAD FOUR CITIZENS ATTEND THOSE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS AND HELP US WITH THE PROCESS. BUT WE HEARD A LOT FROM THOSE, UH, CITIZENS THAT THEY FELT TO A POINT THEY WERE NOT APPRECIATED, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE THEY ATTENDED, THEY SPENT THEIR TIME, THEY HELPED US WITH UNDERSTANDING THE CODE AND WHAT WE THINK THE CODE SHOULD READ. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY COULDN'T VOTE BECAUSE END THE CODE TODAY IN CHAPTER 10 IT SAYS THEY CAN BE THERE, BUT THEY'RE NON-VOTING MEMBERS. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO CORRECT NOW AT THIS TIME IS TO ALLOW THEM TO VOTE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. AND AGAIN, REMEMBER THE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL DISCUSS IT, COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE VOTES, THEN BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD, CAN STAY THE SAME, CAN BE MODIFIED, CHANGED, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. THEN FROM HERE IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND SO FORTH. UH, SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN VOTE. OTHERWISE, I THINK NEXT ROUND WHEN WE CALL ON CITIZENS TO ATTEND, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, I DON'T WANNA ATTEND. 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SIT THERE, TELL YOU MY OPINION, TALK ABOUT IT. I'M NOT VOTING, SO WHY SHOULD I? RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE CHANGE WE WANNA DO NOW IS JUST ADD THAT IN THE, IN CHAPTER SIX AND CORRECT CHAPTER 10 TO ALLOW THEM TO VOTE. BASICALLY THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY THE, THE MAIN ITEM ON THIS. AND WE, WE ARE SCHEDULED TO GO TO PCDC ONE OF THE, UH, COUNCIL COMMITTEES, UM, MAY 20TH THIS MONTH TO PRESENT THAT TO [00:55:01] THEM AND WALK THEM THROUGH IT. UM, IF IT STAYS ON THE AGENDA, THEY, THEIR AGENDA IS ACTUALLY PACKED. SO IT MIGHT BE PUSHED TO JUNE, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR MAY 20TH. I HAD ASKED THE DIRECTOR ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT WAS REPRESENTED. DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION? WHEN YOU SAY ALL COUNCIL, EVERY COUNSELOR, SO YOU, YOU ARE SAYING WE NEED 10, WE NEED A TOTAL CITIZENS, 10 CITIZENS AND IT CAN BE FROM THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD OR IT CAN BE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. WELL, DOESN'T THE BOARD HAVE ALLOTTED SIX? IS THAT CORRECT? THERE ARE ALREADY PANEL MEMBERS, WAS THAT CORRECT? SO THE CORRECT, THE SUBCOMMITTEE CANNOT BE MORE THAN SIX APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS BECAUSE THE MINUTE I HAVE SEVEN, THAT'S A WALKING CURRENT. I CANNOT DO THAT. SO THEY HAVE TO BE SIX OR LESS. AND NORMALLY WE SAY WE DON'T WANT LESS THAN FOUR. SO BETWEEN FOUR TO SIX BOARD APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS NEED TO BE ON IT. I, I CORRECT MYSELF, WE DISCUSSED THAT ISSUE AND WE AGREED THAT IT WAS SIX OR SIX, UH, OR, UH, LESS THAN, THAN ONE PER DISTRICT. SO I, I WITHDRAW THAT QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, WE, WE, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND WE, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND OPTIONS AND THE BEST OPTION THAT WORKS LEGALLY AND APPROPRIATELY. SO. YEAH. SO ANYTHING OVER SEVEN WOULD'VE BEEN A WALKING FORM? MM-HMM. CORRECT. APPOINTED CORRECT. APPOINTED MEMBERS, CORRECT. CORRECT. SO LIKE THE LAST BOARD WE HAD, WE HAD PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY, BUT NOT EVERYBODY SHOWED. SO WAS THAT CONSIDERED A WALKING FORM? I, I DON'T RECALL EVERY SINGLE MEETING, BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, I THINK WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERYBODY ATTEND. SO MAYBE WE DIDN'T HIT THAT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER. UM, SAVITA, DO YOU REMEMBER? YES. WE NEVER HAD, UH, A QUORUM OKAY. OF THE BSB BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY ON BSB SERVED ON THE SAMHSA COMMITTEE. RIGHT. BUT IF THAT HAPPENED, THEN WE WOULD'VE HAD A WALKING QUO AT THE TIME. AT THE TIME, YES. BUT IT DID NOT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS I DID LOOK FOR. OKAY. SHE WOULD, SAVITA WOULD'VE STOPPED US, I GUESS. SO, UH, THIS IS ROBERT TOPIC TO THE PREVIOUS TOPIC ABOUT ALLOWING, UH, EVERYBODY TO VOTE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA EXTEND THE TIME AND THE FINAL PROOF. I THINK JUST BASED ON LAST YEAR, UH, WE HAD, AGAIN, FOUR CITIZENS ON THE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, UH, REVIEW. AND WE HAD THE SAME THING ON THE SIGN CODE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, ON CHAPTER 10 SIDE. BOTH CHAIRS ON THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES DID REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB WITH, YES, THEY CANNOT VOTE, BUT LET'S GET CONSENSUS, LET'S TRY TO KNOW WHERE THEY STAND. AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY ALWAYS AGREED WITH THEM, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY, THEY THEY WANTED, IF THEY HAD THE CHOICE TO VOTE OR THEY HAD THE OPTION TO VOTE, WHERE DID THEY STAND? AND KIND OF TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT. SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE ANY TIME BECAUSE I THINK WE DID THE WORK, UH, THOSE CHAIRS DID REALLY GOOD. UM, ACTUALLY MAYBE WE MIGHT SAVE A LITTLE BIT TIME BECAUSE NOW IT'S MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD VOTE VERSUS LET'S UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU STAND. SO YEAH, ON THE CHAPTER 10, YOU'RE GOING TO AMEND CHAPTER TEN'S VERSION TO ALLOW CITIZENS TO VOTE CORRECT. WITHOUT, ARE YOU GONNA GO AHEAD AND BLESS IT AND THEN DO IT? OR IS IT GONNA BE DONE IN A COMMITTEE WHERE YOU CHANGE CHAPTER 10? IT, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH COUNCIL. SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE BOTH CHAPTER 10 AND CHAPTER SIX TOGETHER. 'CAUSE IT'S THE SAME KIND OF CHANGE IN CHAPTER 10. WE'RE JUST GONNA MODIFY IT TO ALLOW THE VOTING PORTION, BUT THEN KIND OF ALL THAT LANGUAGE WE'RE GONNA PUT IN CHAPTER SIX, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE THE SAME IDEA, IS IT BEING PUT ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA ON PCDC? UH, MAY 20TH. MAY 20TH. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, I DUNNO IF, UH, IF IT GONNA STICK 'CAUSE THEY HAVE LONG AGENDA AND UH, IT MIGHT, UH, AND WHEN WERE WE LOOKING TO START THE COMMITTEE HERE? THE SUBCOMMITTEE, I WOULD SAY FALL PROBABLY TOWARDS OCTOBER MAYBE. SO THERE WOULD BE PLENTY OF TIME IF IT GETS THAT, IF IT'S PUSHED OFF TO ANOTHER MEETING THAT THEY COULD HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO, IF IT DOESN'T, YEAH, IF IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH ON IN MAY, THEN MAYBE JUNE, I WOULD SAY. UH, SO YEAH, WE SHOULD HAVE IT DONE BEFORE WE START THE PROCESS. THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL AS WELL. OKAY, GOOD, GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT SUBJECT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT ME TO COVER FOR YOU? DANNY . . WELL, YOU'RE UP THERE. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE THE DART PRESENTATION. [01:00:14] UH, JUDY JUST ASKED ME A QUESTION. SHE SAID, NOW THE FULL BOARD IS HERE. SHOULD WE CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE CODE IN OCTOBER? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A FULL MEETING UP TO THAT DATE. I MEAN, WE CAN WAIT AND DO THAT THROUGH TWO PANELS, OR WE CAN DO IT TODAY. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF, IT'S SMART TO DO IT TODAY. SO I GOT JUDY AND SAVITA SAYING, DO IT TODAY IF POSSIBLE. THE ENTRY IS, WE'LL DO IT TODAY, BY THE ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL, . UM, SO BASICALLY WE NEED MINIMUM FOUR UP TO SIX OF YOU DECIDING OR AGREEING TO BE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE DEALING WITH THE UPDATE ON THE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. OKAY. YOU'LL TAKE THOSE NAMES DOWN. THEN YOU'VE GOT THE LIST. YOU'VE GOT SIX. WE WE, WE HAD SIX. THEN I THINK PAUL PUT IN ALTERNATE. YOU ARE GOOD. OKAY. SO WHAT DAY, WHAT TIME, ANN, YOU WANT TO BE ON IT? WE DON'T KNOW THE DATE. WE DON'T KNOW. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FALL WHEN I CLEAR UP. YEAH, IT'S HARD TO DECIDE NOW. IT'S TILL OCTOBER. SO , OKAY, SO YOU GOT THE SIXTH. THAT'S FIVE. FIVE. CAN YOU READ THE NAMES YOU GOT? I HAVE MR. FRANKS, MR. ANDES. UH, MS. MIRANDA, MR. SOLI AND MR. NELSON? YES. WHO WAS, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT ENOUGH? LIKE DO YOU I'M DR. KAYLA. YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP, DIDN'T YOU? YES. PUT 'EM ALL IN THERE. KAYLA, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP? YES. AND, AND WE THANK YOU. WE GOT THERE. APOLOGIZE. RIGHT. I HAVE MR. FRANKS, MR. ANDIS. MR. NELSON. MR. SOLIS. MS. MIRANDA. IS THAT NO. ONE MORE? DR. OKAY. DR. LOPEZ. RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU. SO YOU GOT SIX? YES. OKAY. WE, WE GOT, WE, WE GOT SIX NOW. UM, I GUESS CLOSER TO THAT DATE, BEFORE WE START THE PROCESS, WE WILL REMIND BOTH PANELS THAT WE'RE GONNA START THE PROCESS AND WE WILL MENTION THE NAMES. IF FOR SOME REASON YOU CANNOT ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS AT THE TIME, I THINK WE NEED TO GET, GET SOMEBODY ELSE. UM, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S TOO SOON NOW TO, TO PUT THAT IN PLAY. WE'LL, WE'LL SET UP AN ALTERNATE ALSO ON THAT. AND THEN YOU WILL BE MAKING PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR A ADDITIONAL MEMBERS TO, OR CITIZENS TO VOLUNTEER. CORRECT? VERY GOOD. YES. NOW WE'RE GONNA GET THE SAME NOTICE THAT WE HAVE, LIKE ON BOARD, LIKE A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE. SO THAT'LL GIVE YOU TIME TO CALL THE ALTERNATES IF WE NEED TO. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, LEGAL AND JUDY, SHOULD WE GET A COUPLE OF NAMES AS ALTERNATES RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, THAT WAY WE, BECAUSE I KNOW MS. ANN, SHE WANTS TO BE ON IT, BUT WE CAN PUT YOU AS, AS ALTERNATE RIGHT NOW. YEAH, YOU CAN PUT ME TOO. IS IT ALL? YEAH. OKAY. I'VE GOT THREE VOLUNTEERS FOR ALTERNATES. SO WE'LL GET THAT NEXT. WHO'S, WHO'S THE, WHO, WHO ARE THE THREE? UH, MR. TAPIA AND PAUL. OKAY. SO WE GOT TOTAL OF SIX AND THREE ALTERNATES, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN MANAGE TO GET THIS GOING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, ONE MORE QUESTION ON THIS. ARE WE ADVERTISING RIGHT NOW FOR CITIZENS TO APPLY, OR NO, NOT, NOT YET. UNTIL WE GET IT THROUGH COUNCIL, THEN WE WILL OH, WE WILL OPEN THAT UP ONCE. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY MAY VOTE AND THAT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. YES. OKAY. ARE WE GONNA DO THE SAME REVIEWING OF THEM? YES. LIKE WE DID BEFORE? YES. OKAY. THANKS. OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M WALKING AWAY BEFORE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? A VERY SUCCESSFUL PLAN. . VERY NICE. AND HOW DO I, HOW DO I OH, OH, THE, THE SCROLL DOWN. GOOD MORNING BOARD. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ERIC BURNS. UM, I, UM, SOMETIME IN, IN YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL TODAY, I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING, UH, INFORMATION ON THE DANGEROUS ASSESSMENT RESPONSE TEAM. IF YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, IT STATES PRESENTED BY ERIC BURNS, HEAD OF DART IN REFERENCE TO SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE. [01:05:01] MOTHER OF DART IS HERE. OKAY. LET'S BEGIN. AND I WOULD ASK THAT IF, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THERE ARE, WE WILL, UM, WE'LL, WE WILL ADDRESS THEM TOWARDS THE END. OKAY. SAVITA, PLEASE JUMP IN IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE SAID. OH, OKAY. IT GOES LIKE THIS. ALRIGHT. OVERVIEW OF DART. FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT'S NOT ON HERE, BUT LET ME LET EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW, UM, THE DART UNIT STARTED IN 2006. END OF 2006, SAVITA RYE WAS HIRED BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, TO DO CODE AND LITIGATION. AT THAT TIME. SHE HAD BEEN WORKING, UM, AT THE, UH, IN HOUSTON DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND THEY HAD A PROGRAM CALLED, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG FAST, THAT PROGRAM FOCUSED CRIMINALLY CRIMINAL ISSUES, CODE RELATED ISSUES. AND THEY WOULD HARD AND FAST ADDRESS THOSE PROPERTIES. WHEN SHE MOVED HERE. UH, SHE, AND OF COURSE SHE WAS, UM, AN ATTORNEY FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SHE IMPLEMENTED A SIMILAR PLAN, WHICH WAS THE DANGEROUS ASSESSMENT RESPONSE TEAM. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT WAS, UH, MS. RYE, UH, ONE POLICE OFFICER, UM, AND A COUPLE OF, WERE THEY, UM, ABATEMENT OFFICERS? THEY WEREN'T POLICE OFFICERS. THEY WERE ABATEMENT OFFICERS. UM, FAST FORWARD TO NOW, UM, THE PROCESS AND THE OVERVIEW ON, UH, THE DART UNIT IS ROUGHLY THE SAME. IT'S A MULTITASK AGENCY DESIGNED TO TARGET THE WORST OF THE WORST NUISANCE PROPERTIES. PRIMARY DIRECTIVE IS TO IDENTIFY, INVESTIGATE THESE PROPERTIES, AND ABATE THE NUISANCE THROUGH A COORDINATED AND COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH. AND WE TRY TO UTILIZE ALL AVAILABLE REMEDIES TO ELIMINATE THAT NUISANCE. THE GOAL, RECLAIM, RESTORE, REVITALIZE, DISRUPT, AND DISPLACE THE CRIMINAL, UH, VAGRANT ELEMENT. IF IT'S THERE ABATE ALL CODE VIOLATIONS, ADDRESS ALL VIOLATIONS AFFECTING HEALTH AND SAFETY, WHICH IS THE BROKEN DOWN WINDOWS THEORY. IF AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOU DON'T ADDRESS THAT BROKEN WINDOW, THEN YOU'RE GONNA COME INTO BROKEN DOORS. UH, HOUSES STARTS DETERIORATING, THAT THEN ATTRACTS, UM, PERSONS THAT, UH, ARE NOT THERE FOR, UM, WELL-MEANING PURPOSES. AND IT GOES FROM THERE. AND THEN REVITALIZE, RETURN SOME OF THAT CONTROL BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORS, AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE NEIGHBORS AND THOSE PERSONS, IF WITHIN THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN HEARD. THE, UH, BREAKDOWN IN THE MAKEUP, EXCUSE ME, OF THE, UM, DART UNIT HAS EXPANDED AND HAS DEVELOPED SINCE SAVITA, UM, STARTED THE PROGRAM. IT IS OPERATED OUTTA THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. ONE OF THE MAIN TWO PARTNERS WOULD BE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WHICH IS THEY, WE HAVE A, A, A DANGEROUS PREMISE OFFICER AND, AND A CODE OFFICER WHO HANDLES SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VIOLATIONS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AT THAT ONE POINT IN TIME WHEN AVITAS FIRST STARTED, WE WERE USING ONE OR TWO SAPD OFFICERS AND THE ABATEMENT OFFICERS. WE NOW ARE USING SAFE UNIT FROM EACH SUBSTATION. AND WE'VE ALSO NOW INCLUDED DOWNTOWN, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW, THERE'S A NEW SUBSTATION DOWNTOWN, UH, RAVEN UNIT FOR DRONES MENTAL HEALTH UNIT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SITUATION IS IN THAT AREA. STREET CRIMES, COVERT AND SWAT, WE HAVE USED, UM, UH, AND SAPD MAKES THAT DETERMINATION. WE HAVE USED, UH, THESE, UH, UH, UNITS TO, UH, SECURE PROPERTIES BASED ON THE, THE, THE HISTORY, THE CRIMINAL HISTORY. AGAIN, IT IS BY A CASE BY CASE BASIS, AND WE'LL GO OVER THAT IN A MINUTE. NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS ALSO INCLUDED BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS WHATEVER THE NUISANCE IS, IF THERE IS SOMEONE, PROPERTY OWNER THAT WE CAN ASSIST IN PROVIDING SOME ASSISTANCE IN GETTING, UM, UM, SOME REPAIRS DONE. UM, SOME, UH, OLD UTILITY BILLS PAID. UH, SO WE CAN ELIMINATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THERE. WE WILL DO THAT. UH, NHSD AND DHS ARE, ARE FULL-TIME MEMBERS OF THE DAR UNIT. SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO MS. RYE, LUCINDA, MYSELF, AND THE DART UNIT IS ANIMAL CARE SERVICES. ANIMAL CARE [01:10:01] SERVICES IS THE FULL-TIME PART. WE USE THE CRUELTY UNIT. UH, SO WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL HAVE, UH, THE CRUELTY UNIT AS PART OF THE TEAM, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SITUATION IS, THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH, UM, ON STAND AND ON AT THOSE INSPECTIONS, UM, EVERY TIME WE HAVE THEM. AND THEN IF WE DETERMINE THAT WE DO NOT NEED SA, UM, ANIMAL CARE SERVICES, THEY WILL LEAVE AND GO ABOUT DOING THEIR OTHER, OTHER WORK. HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS ALSO INVOLVED. AND DEPENDING ON IF WE, UM, ARE, ARE ADDRESSING A PROPERTY, UH, WHERE LIQUOR IS BEING SOLD, BUT SOME SUCH AS A BAR, A RESTAURANT OR NIGHTCLUB, THEN WE WILL DEFINITELY USE TABC IF NEEDED. THE TYPES OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADDRESSED, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A SAMPLE SIZE, IT IS NOT FULLY INCLUSIVE, IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION. UH, WE DO GO AFTER, WE DO ADDRESS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY, UH, APARTMENTS, BOARDING HOMES, HALFWAY HOUSES, IF YOU'RE A MOTEL OR A HOTEL, IF YOU'RE A CONVENIENCE STORE, NIGHTCLUB BARS, HOOKAH LOUNGES, MASSAGE PARLORS, SALVAGE YARDS, VACANT LOTS. WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THE DART UNIT? IT IS VOLUNTEER, ALL VOLUNTEER. THERE IS NO EXTRA PAYMENT OR INCENTIVE OR STIPEND FOR ANY OF THE MEMBERS. I WILL TELL YOU, UM, RECENTLY, NHSD, UH, DID CREATE A SPECIFIC, UM, UM, UH, PERSONNEL OR OR POSITION FOR, UH, THE DART UNIT. SO WE NOW HAVE A DEDICATED NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT, UH, EMPLOYEE, UM, THAT IS DEDICATED TO THE DART UNIT. THE REST ARE, ARE PRETTY MUCH JUST DOING THEIR JOBS WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE SCOPE. UH, THE PARENT, THE PROPERTIES ARE NOT LIMITED TO SOLELY CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES. THERE ARE ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH THAT WE BELIEVE AFFECT HEALTH AND SAFETY AND ARE A CAUSE OF NUISANCE, CONTRIBUTE TO NUISANCE. AND WE WILL ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES IF WE NEED TO. HEALTH CONCERNS, UNSANITARY ISSUES, ANIMALS, DANGEROUS ANIMALS, AND CRUELLY TREATED ANIMALS, ANIMALS LIVING IN UNSANITARY CONDITIONS, WE WILL ADDRESS THOSE THE BEST THAT WE CAN. UM, WE ALSO ARE ABLE TO ADDRESS HABITUAL CODE PROBLEM PROPERTIES. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF AVENUES TO DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY. IF A, IF A DART PROPERTY ENDS UP HERE, UH, CRIMINALLY AND REGARDS TO FILING CODE AFFIDAVITS, AND IF THERE'S CRIMINAL CASES THAT STEM FROM THAT PROPERTY, WE CAN ALSO, UH, PUSH FORWARD WITH REAL LEGAL, UM, LAWSUITS TO ADDRESS THAT PROPERTY. AND OF COURSE, I, ONE THING THAT THE DART UNIT DOES DO, IF THE, IF THE DART UNIT IS COMING TO ADDRESS THAT PROPERTY, THE NUISANCE IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED COMPLETELY. UM, EVEN IF, UH, UH, DEMOLITION IS, IS STILL ON THE TABLE, IDEALLY, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND, JUST LIKE DEMOLITION IS THE LAST OPTION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, IT IS THE LAST OPTION FOR THE DART UNIT. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ELIMINATE THE NUISANCE. AND IF THE NUISANCE CAN BE ELIMINATED WITHOUT TOUCHING THE STRUCTURE OR WITHOUT HAVING TO, UH, DEMOLISH THAT STRUCTURE, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. THIS IS CRITERIA FOR PROPERTIES TO BECOME A DART PROPERTY. I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE IS A, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THE DART UNIT WHEN WE FIRST START HEARING ABOUT A PROPERTY AND START DOING AN INVESTIGATION. EACH DIVISION, EACH DEPARTMENT DOES A DEEP DIVE HISTORY INTO THAT PROPERTY. SOMETIMES SUBSTANTIAL CODE ISSUES WITH NO ANIMAL CARE ISSUES, SOMETIMES SUBSTANTIAL CODE ISSUES AND SUBSTANTIAL CRIMINAL ISSUES. I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. OUR DOCUMENTED HISTORY IS A COMBINATION OF CODE CRIMINAL, ANIMAL HEALTH. THOSE ARE WHAT WE LOOK AT. AND I DO ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT HABITUAL CONCERNS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO LIMIT THEM TO TWO YEARS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO WAIT IF IT IS EXTENSIVE ENOUGH OR WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT PROPERTY. SO WHETHER IT'S, UH, EXTENSIVE HABITUAL CODE ISSUES, CRIMINAL ISSUES, HEALTH ISSUES, CONCERNS WHERE THOSE ANIMALS ARE NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF, [01:15:01] IF WARRANTED, WE WILL GO WITH LESS THAN TWO YEARS. IT IS DONE BY A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THE DART UNIT MEETS TWICE A MONTH. THAT IS WHERE WE DISCUSS THOSE INVESTIGATIONS AND THE RESEARCH THAT EACH DEPARTMENT HAS DONE. OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN ADDITION TO THE CODE ISSUES AND THE CRIMINAL ISSUES, HEALTH ISSUES, ANIMAL ISSUES, ARE THERE ELDERLY PERSONS LIVING ON THAT PROPERTY? IF SO, DO WE, DO WE HAVE NHSD AND, AND DOES NHSD HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE ANY CRUCIAL OR CRITICAL DECISIONS WHILE WE ARE AT THE INSPECTION, IS THE OWNER RESIDING ON THE PROPERTY? WHETHER THE OWNER RESIDES ON THE PROPERTY OR NOT? DOES MAKE A, DOES, UH, MAKE A DIFFERENCE DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT NHSD HAS FOR OWNER OCCUPIED AS COMPARED TO ONE WHERE THE OWNER IS NOT OCCUPYING THE PROPERTY. AND IF THE OWNER IS NOT OCCUPYING THE PROPERTY, DO THE PERSON'S THERE HAVE PERMISSION TO BE AT THAT PROPERTY? ARE MINORS LIVING AT THE PROPERTY? MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES? THE LAST THING THE DART UNIT WANTS TO DO IS GO TO A PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S PERSONS THAT HAVE MENTAL CHALLENGES AND NOT HAVE THE RIGHT PERSONNEL TO APPROACH THAT PROPERTY AND TO APPROACH THAT PERSON CORRECTLY. ARE WE GONNA HAVE SOME SQUATTERS THERE WHERE THEY MIGHT NEED ASSISTANCE AND RELOCATION? THAT'S WHERE DHS IS VITAL TO THE TEAM, AND WE DEFINITELY NEED THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT, UM, HAVE THE ACCESS AND THE INFORMATION THAT CAN ASSIST, UH, PERSONS THAT DO NOT HAVE HOUSING, UH, BUT NEED SOME, SOME HELP. HAZMAT CONCERNS. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE CRAZY, BUT WE HAVE, AND YOU WILL SEE A COUPLE OF PICTURES. WE'VE HAD ISSUES WHERE WE NEEDED HAZMAT. I I CAN THINK OF TWO RIGHT NOW, AND I'M SURE SAVITA HAS MORE, IF SHE COULD THINK OF THEM. HIGH RISK PRO, HIGH RISK CRIMINAL PROPERTIES. THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT BASED ON THE CRIMINAL HISTORY, IN ADDITION TO THE CODE HISTORY, IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE UNSAFE CRIMINALLY. AND SINCE WE RELY ON SAPD SAFE OFFICERS TO, UM, SECURE THESE, UH, LOCATIONS, SO, UH, OUR CODE OFFICERS CAN GO IN AND, AND, AND, AND DO THE INSPECTION. SOMETIMES THOSE PROPERTIES NEED TO BE SECURED AND CLEARED WITH, UM, UH, SUBUNITS OF SAPD THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRACTICE IN TACTICAL GEAR AND TACTICAL DECISIONS. AGAIN, THAT DETERMINATION IS MADE BY SAPD. WE INSIST THAT SAPD LET US KNOW SO WE HAVE A HEADS UP. SO I CAN TELL MY, MY HIGHER UP SO I CAN GO LET SAVITA KNOW SO I CAN, SO WE CAN GO LET ANDY SEGOVIA KNOW. AND IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL EXPRESS THEM TO OUR, TO THE REST OF THE TEAM MEMBERS. BUT, UM, ALTHOUGH THE UNIT IS RUN OUT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, THOSE TYPE OF DECISIONS IN REGARDS TO SECURING, UH, WE ARE, UM, COUNSELED AND TALKED TO, BUT WE AREN'T THE ONES THAT MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. WE LET SAPD DO THEIR JOB. THEY'RE THE EXPERTS AT IT. SO, UM, WE LET THEM MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. ONCE WE ARE AT THE PROPERTY AND THE INSPECTION HAS STARTED, THE, THE CONSIDERATIONS AND, AND THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE ARE, UM, PROVIDED IS ONGOING. IT'S ALWAYS UPDATED. SO THERE ARE ALSO CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE WHILE WE'RE THERE. THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL IS DETERMINED BY SAPD AND THE SIZE OF THE TARGET PROPERTY. IF THAT PROPERTY IS A PRETTY LARGE PROPERTY AND THERE'S AN IN AND OUT, IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT SAPD HAS ENOUGH PERSONNEL TO MAKE SURE ALL AREAS ARE SECURED PRIOR TO GIVING THE GO AHEAD FOR THE REST OF THE UNIT TO COME. AND AGAIN, BASED ON WHAT IS FOUND, UM, IN PLAIN SIGHT BASED ON THE HISTORY OF THAT PROPERTY, AGAIN, WE, UM, RELY ON SAPD TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AS TO HOW TO PROPERLY AND EFFECTIVELY SECURE IT WHILE THEY ARE SECURING. AGAIN, THESE ARE ISSUES THAT SAPD HAS TO BE CONCERNED WITH. IS IT A HIGH RISK PROPERTY? UM, IS IT A PROPERTY THAT, OH, BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO FIND, DO WE NEED TO, AS THEY'RE SECURING BASED ON ANY, UM, [01:20:02] CONTRABAND THAT THEY MIGHT FIND, WEAPONS THAT THEY MIGHT FIND, WE MIGHT IMMEDIATELY STOP BEFORE OUR DART INSPECTION HAS EVEN BEGUN TO ALLOW THEM TO OBTAIN A CRIMINAL WARRANT. AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED, THE DART UNIT WILL WAIT UNTIL THEIR WARRANT IS EXECUTED AND THEY'VE WRAPPED UP. AND THEN WE WILL AGAIN START OUR, OUR, OUR INSPECTION. WE WOULD ASK, UM, AND IN WORKING WITH SAPD, WE ARE ALLOWED TO, UH, UH, OBTAIN PHOTOS OF WHAT THEY FIND IN PLAIN SIGHT. A AGAIN, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THEY ARE EXECUTING AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, SO THAT ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO GO LOOKING THROUGH ANYTHING. WHAT THEY ARE THERE TO DO IS SECURE THE PROPERTY. BUT, UM, YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED AT HOW MUCH STUFF IS LEFT IN PLAIN SIGHT. ALSO, UH, THE MENTAL HEALTH UNIT IS AN AN EXTENSION FOR SAPD. SO WHILE WE ARE DETERMINING WHAT'S GOING ON AT THIS PROPERTY, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THIS PROPERTY, WE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY KNOW IF THERE'S SOMEONE THERE WHO HAS SOME MENTAL CHALLENGES. AND, UM, THE MENTAL HEALTH UNIT IS ALREADY THERE WITH US. AND USUALLY WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UH, SAPD WILL TAKE SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO SECURING THAT PROPERTY. UM, THEY WILL WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH UNIT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PERSON IS FIRST APPROACHED BY THEM, UM, AND THEY ARE AND SPOKEN TO AND HANDLED BY THE MENTAL HEALTH UNIT. UH, THEN THE REST OF THE TEAM WILL, WILL JUST MAKE SURE THE PROPERTY'S SECURED AND THEN WE'LL GO ABOUT DOING OUR BUSINESS. AND AGAIN, IF, UM, ANY ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN THAT IS LEFT UP TO SAPD BASED ON THEIR EXPERTISE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS? WHETHER THIS PROPERTY IS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE OR IS S-A-P-M-C VIOLATIONS, WHETHER WE HAVE AN OWNER THAT IS GOING TO BE COOPERATIVE WITH US AND WANTS TO WORK WITH US, UM, WHETHER THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AT THAT PROPERTY SHOULD BE THERE. IS IT A HOARDER PLACE? ARE MINORS LIVING IN IT? AND IF MINORS ARE, DO WE NEED TO TOUCH BASE WITH NHSD AND AND CONTACT, UH, CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, OR IF THERE'S AN ELDERLY PERSON THERE, DO WE NEED A, UH, A, A, UM, A CONTACT ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES? SO THESE ARE ISSUES THAT CODE AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN ADDITION TO ACTUALLY CONDUCTING THE INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, IF WE, IF WE NEED RELOCATION SERVICES OR ASSISTANCE, WE'RE GONNA TALK WITH AND USE NHSD AND DHS, DEPENDING ON WHETHER THOSE RELOCATION SERVICES ARE FOR PERSONS THAT ARE HOMELESS, OR FOR PERSONS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE ON THE PROPERTY, HAVE A LEASE, OWN THE PROPERTY, WHAT HAVE YOU. AGAIN, ONCE WE GO TO THE PROPERTY, ANY ANIMAL THAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY IS LOOKED AT. UM, SOMETIMES WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE'LL HAVE, UM, UM, ANIMAL CARE SERVICES DETAIN THE ANIMAL OR PUT THE, PUT THE DOG MAYBE IN THEIR TRUCK WHILE THE INSPECTION'S HAPPENING BASED ON WHETHER WE HAVE, UM, CANINE UNIT THERE BASED ON WHETHER, UH, THAT ANIMAL MIGHT BE, UM, UM, EMOTIONALLY AFFECTED BY SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE PROPERTY. UM, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS UPSET THE, THE ANIMAL OR HURT THE ANIMAL. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANIMAL IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF. UM, IF BY SOME CHANCE THERE ARE SOME, UH, UM, ISSUES WITH THE ANIMAL, WE WILL LET IT AGAIN, WE WILL LET, UM, UH, ANIMAL CARE SERVICES, UM, TAKE LEAD ON THAT. AGAIN, WHAT WE DO, UH, MAKE SURE OF IS THERE'S COMMUNICATION AMONGST ALL UNITS, AMONGST ALL DEPARTMENTS DURING THAT INSPECTION. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU'LL SEE ME WALKING AROUND ASKING CODE, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DO YOU SEE? ANIMAL CARE? HEY, HAVE WE CHECKED ON THESE ANIMALS? HOW ARE THEY DOING? ARE YOU, WILL YOU BE ISSUING ANY CITATIONS? UM, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE FINDING HEALTH? ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS? AND SO THAT, THAT IS HAPPENING, UH, DURING THE INSPECTION THROUGHOUT THE HOUR THAT WE WERE THERE. AND OF COURSE, AS I STATED, THE HAZMAT ISSUES, AGAIN, WE WILL, WE'LL SEE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. AFTER THE DART INSPECTION, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN AFTER ACTION MEETING THAT IS SET UP IF FEASIBLE. AN AFTER ACTION MEETING IS NOT GOING TO BE SET UP WITH SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT OWN THE PROPERTY. AN AFTER ACTION MEETING'S NOT GONNA BE SET UP WITH SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE ON THE PROPERTY. IDEALLY, WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THAT AFTER ACTION MEETING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, OR DEPENDING ON IF IT'S A BUSINESS ON THAT PROPERTY, THE BUSINESS OWNER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER. AGAIN, DEPENDING ON COOPERATION AT THAT AFTER ACTION MEETING, EACH DEPARTMENT WILL [01:25:01] DISCUSS SOME OF THE FINDINGS THAT THEY HAVE OR SOME OF THE CONCERNS THE, THAT THE DART UNIT HAS. UM, IF ISSUES OF, UM, NOTICE ISSUING THE NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS, IF THAT'S NEEDED, THAT WILL HAPPEN THERE IF WE ARE DOING A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT, THAT WILL BE EXPLAINED, UM, AT THE AFTER ACTION MEETING. UH, WE DO, UH, ENCOURAGE PROPERTY OWNERS IF THEY WANT TO, TO GET A, UH, TO GET LEGAL COUNSEL. IF WE DO A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT, WE DO URGE, UH, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS TO, UM, HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL LOOK AT IT IF THEY'D LIKE, WE WILL DRAFT THAT AGREEMENT. WE WILL, UM, PROVIDE THEM A COPY OF THAT AGREEMENT AND GIVE THEM A FEW DAYS TO, UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE WILL ALSO PROVIDE A COPY TO EACH DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY OF THEIR ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND ALL THEIR ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL PROVIDE A COPY TO SAVITA TO MAKE SURE SHE'S OKAY WITH EVERYTHING. AGAIN, I MIGHT BE HEAD OF THE TEAM, BUT SHE IS MOTHER . UH, I CAN TELL YOU, UM, WE'RE PRETTY BLUNT IN THOSE MEETINGS. THERE'S BEEN A FEW TIMES WHERE I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS. I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS MORE OF JUST STRAIGHTFORWARD. THERE'S NO REAL, THERE'S NO REAL REASON TO GIVE FLUFF. UM, BUT WHAT WE DO TRY TO DO IS WE DO TRY TO WORK IT OUT WITH THEM. AND IF THEY DON'T WANNA WORK IT OUT WITH US, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECLINE. UH, ANY, UH, AGREEMENT THAT WE OFFER, ANY TRY TO SETTLEMENT THAT WE TRY TO OFFER, THEY CAN ALWAYS, UM, COUNTER OFFER. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T COME TO A RESOLUTION ON THAT, WE, WE MOST LIKELY ARE GOING TO TELL THEM, HEY, THIS IS WHAT OUR GAME PLAN IS, AND THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY IF THEY'D LIKE. SO, AS I SAID, RESULTS FROM THAT MEETING. VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE MOST LIKELY IS GONNA BE A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT WHERE WE WILL GIVE THEM THREE, SIX. I DON'T THINK WE DO MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE. MOST LIKELY THAT COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT IS GONNA ASK THEM TO SIGN A NO TRESPASS AFFIDAVIT, SO WE CAN KEEP, SO SAPD CAN ASSIST IN KEEPING, UH, THE UNWANTED PERSONS OFF THE, OFF THE PROPERTY. UM, IT IS GOING TO BE CONTINGENT UPON, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AGREEING THAT CODE CAN, WITHIN A 24 HOUR NOTICE, COME ONTO THE PROPERTY AND DO AN INSPECTION TO GET A SOMEWHAT OF A STATUS REPORT. THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE'VE ASKED YOU TO BOARD UP THE PROPERTY FOR THREE MONTHS TO ASSIST US IN REMOVING, UH, THE CRIMINAL NUISANCES. THERE'S PROBABLY SOME SQUATTERS. AND THEN AFTER THE THREE MONTHS, START MAKING REPAIRS ON THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE RECENTLY STARTED TO DO COMPLIANCE AGREEMENTS WHERE IF THERE'S A PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS PASSED AWAY AND THERE'S A FAMILY IS STILL IN THE MIDST OF DOING, UM, A WILL OR PROBATE, WE'LL GIVE THEM THAT TIME AS LONG AS THEY CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT PROPERTY SECURED, VACATED AND CLEAN. SO AGAIN, IT'S TRYING TO ELIMINATE WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF THE NUISANCE. AND IF THE CAUSE OF THE NUISANCE ARE, UH, ARE PERSONS THAT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD DO IT. IF THE REMOVAL OF, UM, CERTAIN ANIMALS, UM, AND CERTAIN PEOPLE, WE'LL ASK 'EM TO DO THAT. SO IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS. IT, AGAIN, IT'S ALWAYS A CASE BY CASE BASIS. AND AGAIN, WHAT I, WHAT WHAT STATES RIGHT THERE, VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE, THOSE ARE THE MAIN CONCERNS WE ADDRESS. UM, THE PERSONS, THE STRUCTURE OF THE UTILITIES VACATE, CLEAN AND SECURE. UM, OH, I GOT THAT DOUBLE, SORRY GUYS. BUT THERE'S ALSO PERSONS THAT DON'T WANNA COMPLY. UM, AND USUALLY IF WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET ANY COMPLIANCE OR COOPERATION, THAT PROPERTY IS REFERRED TO, UM, BSB. UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, OPTIONS WHERE WE CAN FILE A LAWSUIT WHERE WE DON'T THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BRING IT TO THE BILLING STANDARD BOARD. THAT'S NOT THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS IT. SO, UH, WE WILL SEND IT, UH, TO, UH, UH, OUR LITIGATION TEAM, UM, DETERMINING WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. THEY COULD FILE A CHAPTER 54, AND I'LL GO OVER THOSE IN A MINUTE. UH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO FILE A LAWSUIT, UH, THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THE VIOLATIONS THAT DEAL WITH, UH, THE THREAT OF HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. OUR LEGAL REMEDIES, CHAPTER 1 25, CIVIL PRACTICE AND REMEDY CODE DECLARES A PROPERTY TO BE A COMMON IN PUBLIC NUISANCE, DO THE HABITUAL CRIME. SO IF THAT DART PROPERTY, UM, ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES IS THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND WE CAN'T, UH, ADDRESS IT SUFFICIENTLY WITHOUT [01:30:01] FILING A LAWSUIT, WE'LL GO 1 25 AGAIN, WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION TO OUR LITIGATION AND THEY WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO HOW TO FOLLOW IT WITH AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH A MEAN, UM, IN THE HIGHER UP OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PUBLIC NUISANCE, THIS DECLARES A PROPERTY TO BE A PUBLIC NUISANCE THREATENING THE LIFE HEALTH SAFETY OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS MORE OF A CODE CONCERN THAT WE WOULD HAVE, AND WE WOULD FILE IT THAT UNDER CHAPTER 54, AGAIN, THE SAME PROCESS AND PROCEDURE IS THE, IS THE ONE I SAID FOR, UH, THE CIVIL PRACTICE AND REMEDY CODE 1 25, WE WILL SEND IT TO LITIGATION SAVITA, SAM ORLANDO, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HIGHER UP, THEY'LL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. WE WILL, WE'LL PUSH FOR SOMETHING WE WILL ADVOCATE, BUT THEY, THEY MAKE THAT DECISION. UM, AND AGAIN, THEY, THEY'LL ALSO MAKE THE DECISION IN REGARDS TO THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE COMMISSION STATUTE, ALONG WITH ANY CITY CODES THAT WE MIGHT WANNA ALSO FILE UNDER LITIGATION OUTCOMES. IF THEY FILE IT AS A CRIMINAL CASE, PROPERTY'S GONNA BE DECLARED A COMMON NUISANCE, PERMANENT INJUNCTION PROHIBITING ANY FURTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY CLOSE AND BOARD, NOT COS CLOSE AND, UH, BOARD PROPERTY FOR ONE YEAR, NO PERSON'S ALLOWED ON THE PREMISES AT ALL, POST A PERFORMANCE BOND. ATTORNEY FEES DISCONNECT ALL CITY, UH, SUPPLIED SERVICES, CONTEMPT ACTION IF WE NEED TO. AND IF IT'S A BAR OR RESTAURANT, UM, LOOK TO, UH, REVOKE LIQUOR LICENSES. ALTHOUGH I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S A EASIER SAID THAN DONE. SOMETIMES TABC DOESN'T WANT TO COOPERATE AS MUCH, BUT AGAIN, WE LET SAVITA AND THE REST OF THEM HANDLE THAT. YES, SIR. I GOT ONE ON, UH, THIS IS RIGHT , I GOT ONE ON THAT ONE. AND I KNOW YOU WANTED THE QUESTIONS AT THE END, BUT WHEN IT SAYS NO PERSON'S ALLOWED, DOES THAT ALSO MEAN SOMEBODY LIKE THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO WANTS TO CUT GRASS AND STUFF, OR NO? THE, THE MAINTAINING EXCLUDES. YES. THE, AND, AND LET ME MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. ANYTIME WE'RE GONNA BOARD OR REQUIRE THAT A PROPERTY GET BOARDED UP, THEY ARE STILL GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THE PROPERTY, UM, UH, UH, COMPLIANT WITH CITY ORDINANCES. AND I WANTED, WHICH IS MEANING KEEPING THE PROPERTY CLEANED, KEEP, EXCUSE ME, KEEPING THE PROPERTY BOARDED UP. I WANTED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY MAY, THAT'S LISTENING OR WATCHING MAY REFER THAT AS I CAN'T TOUCH MY OWN PROPERTY. WELL, I, I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, LET ME MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT ONE. AM I WORKING HERE? HERE WE GO. HERE WE GO. NOW. OKAY. SIMILAR TO CHAPTER 54, PERMANENT INJUNCTION, PROHIBITING SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC ACTION DECLARATION OF A PUBLIC NUISANCE ORDER OF A PROPERTY TO BE REPAIR OR DEMOLISH. ALLOW CITY TO ENTER AN ABATE AT OWNER'S EXPENSE UP TO FINES, A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY IN VIOLATION AND ATTORNEY'S FEES, UH, COURT COSTS AND INVESTIGATION EXPENSES. I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THE ATTORNEY'S FEES WITH SAVITA REPRESENTING WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER THAN ME REPRESENTING. SO WHEN SOMEBODY, UM, IS GOING TO BE TOLD THAT, HEY, IF WE FILE THIS LAWSUIT, THE ATTORNEY FEES, UM, I HAVE BEEN IN THE MEETINGS PLENTY OF TIMES WHERE SAVITA HAS TOLD THEM WHAT THEIR, HER ATTORNEY FEES ARE AND, UM, THEY ENDED UP WORKING AT A DEAL WITH US. AGAIN, HER ATTORNEY FEES ARE GONNA BE MORE THAN MINE. AND BASED OFF OF THAT, THAT'S JUST ONE ATTORNEY, CORRECT? NOT A STAFF, JUST A YES. . I GOTTA ASK MY BOSS. . ALRIGHT, TABC CODE, DECLARE THE BAR OF THE RESTAURANT A COMMON NUISANCE. UH, UPON THE DECLARATION OF THAT COMMON NUISANCE, THE COURT MAY SUSPEND, DENY, REVOKE THE PERMIT FOR THEM TO SELL ALCOHOL AGAIN, TABC WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS WHERE THE FUN PART COMES IN. I WANT YOU TO COME ALONG FOR THE RIDE. THIS IS GOING TO BE SOME PICTURES OF PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED FOR A WHILE. AGAIN, SAVI, I URGE YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY STORIES TO, TO CHIME IN ON 'EM. HERE'S A PROPERTY. WHEN WE ARRIVED, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S PLENTY OF CODE VIOLATIONS. WE BELIEVE IF YOU LEAVE THIS HOUSE THE WAY IT IS, ALONG WITH PERSONS LIVING IN IT, IT IS AFFECTING LIFE SAFETY, WELFARE. THAT'S HOW THAT, THAT IS HOW THAT PROPERTY WAS ADDRESSED. AND AGAIN, WHAT GOES INTO FACTORS ARE, IS THERE SOMEONE WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY OR HAS LEGAL AUTHORITY TO BE ON THAT [01:35:01] PROPERTY THAT WILL WORK WITH THE CITY TO REPAIR IT OR ABATE IT? NOT ON THIS ONE, THIS THING DOESN'T LIKE, OH GOSH, THIS THING DOESN'T LIKE ME. OKAY, FIVE 11 CLUB DRIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. UH, THIS, THIS, THE HOUSE WAS PRETTY BAD. UM, THEY DID HAVE SOME S-A-P-M-C VIOLATIONS, BUT ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD IS THERE WAS A LOT OF DRUG ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THAT PROPERTY, AND IT WAS AFFECTING THE SCHOOL. UM, AGAIN, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND, OUR PROPERTIES COME FROM FIRST RESPONDERS AND CODE OFFICERS, AND I'LL ADDRESS THAT IN A MINUTE. BUT, UH, UH, THE, THE POLICE OVER AT JEFFERSON, ALONG WITH THE, THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY WOULD CONTINUE TO TAKE TO TELL THE SAFE OFFICERS, THIS IS A PROBLEM. THIS IS A PROBLEM, THIS IS A PROBLEM. SO WE DID ADDRESS THIS PROPERTY, I COULD TELL YOU IT LOOKS PRETTY SWEET. AND ADDRESSING THAT PROPERTY, I, I, I WANT TO SAY IN SAVITA, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE LIVING IN IT WEREN'T OWNERS. SO WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS THE HOUSE WAS, WAS, WAS, WAS, UM, THERE WAS ENOUGH TO SAVE. UM, SO WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS WE CONTINUED TO GO, UM, HARD ON THIS PROPERTY, PUT PRESSURE ON THE PERSON THAT WAS IN THERE, UH, CONTINUED TO FILE CASES. UM, WHOEVER WAS OWNING IT ENDED UP SELLING THE PROPERTY. IT LOOKS PRETTY SWEET RIGHT NOW. YEAH, YEAH. I'M, I'M JUST GONNA SHOW YOU SOME, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OF THESE PICTURES. I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I HAVE THE WORDS FOR. UM, I'VE BEEN WITH THE DART UNIT SINCE 2010. UM, IT'S, YEAH, SOME OF THE HOUSES JUST, YEAH, THEY LOOK THAT BAD. UM, AND THE PERSON THAT WE'RE LIVING IN COULD HAVE FALLEN ON HARD TIMES. UM, PROPERTY COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN OVER BY SOMEBODY. BUT WHEN WE ADDRESSED THAT PROPERTY, THIS IS THE CONDITION THAT WE FOUND IT IN. THAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE NOW. SO EVEN BACK IN 2018, THE DART UNIT IS NOT THERE TO DEMOLISH YOUR HOUSE. THE DART UNIT IS THERE TO ELIMINATE THE NUISANCE THAT IS AT THE PROPERTY. AND WE WILL ELIMINATE IT, AND WE WILL WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. WE WILL WORK WITH WHO WE CAN. BUT, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN SEEN CAN'T BE UNSEEN, UNFORTUNATELY. I DO REMEMBER THIS HOUSE. THIS HOUSE WAS A HOARDER HOUSE. THIS HOUSE WAS BAD ENOUGH THAT, UM, AND I'M, I DON'T MEAN TO GROSS ANYBODY OUT, BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, BIG, HUGE PLASTIC, UM, BOTTLES CONTAINING HUMAN URINE. YOU COULD NOT WALK INTO THAT HOUSE. IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY BAD. UM, AND THE PERSON THAT LIVED THERE DID NEED SOME ASSISTANCE AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT PERSON SOME ASSISTANCE. UM, BUT YES, WE DID HAVE, AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SEE IT THIS WAY, CODE DOES HAVE TO GO IN, CODE DOES HAVE TO GO IN AND TAKE INTERIOR PHOTOS, THE BEST WHAT THEY CAN. THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF TIMES WHERE I'VE SEEN OUR OFFICERS DRESSED IN FULL WHITE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUT ON ONE OF THESE HAZMAT SUITS AND THEY'RE GOING IN AND TAKING PICTURES. AND AS LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THEM, I, YEAH, I, I I WANT TO KIND OF EXPERIENCE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I'M NOT PUTTING IT ON ONE OF THOSE SEATS. THIS PROPERTY WAS BAD. THAT'S WHAT THAT HOUSE LOOKS LIKE. NOW, THAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE, I WANNA SAY IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE NEAR, UM, WHAT'S THE STREET I'M LOOKING AT FAIR, FAIR ROAD. AND THEN THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A HOME DEPOT ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE STREET. OKAY, SO THERE'S A HOME. OKAY. SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THAT, UM, THAT HOME DEPOT. I RECALL IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE WE STAGED. I HAVEN'T GONE BY LATELY, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THAT HOUSE LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. YEAH, I, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, THAT IS ME ON THE TOP RIGHT CORNER. I THINK I STEPPED IN SOMETHING 100 BLOCK OF, OF, OF LLOYD. THIS WAS A HOUSE, [01:40:02] UM, TWO STORY. UH, STRUCTURALLY THERE WAS SOME PROBLEMS IN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE BEING USED TO STORE, UM, ILLEGAL GAMBLING MACHINES. SO WE DID HAVE A COMBINATION OF SOME CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AT THIS PROPERTY IN ADDITION TO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME CODE VIOLATIONS. AND THOSE CODE VIOLATIONS ARE NOT S-A-P-M-C. THOSE ARE STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS, STRUCTURAL CONCERNS. THAT'S THE HOUSE. NOW, THE NEXT ONE, I I, THIS IS ONE OF MY FIRST DART INSPECTIONS EVER THAT I GOT TO DO ON MY OWN. I COULD TELL YOU RIGHT THEN AND THERE, I WAS SCARED. UM, AND THE REASON I WAS SCARED IS 'CAUSE I HAD TO GO REPORT BACK TO SAVITA . SO, UM, THIS WAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, UM, OFF OF D DRIVE. I WANT TO SAY IT'S OFF. UM, IT'S NEAR, UM, MALT JONES MALS WORKER IN BETWEEN SAN PEDRO AND MCCULLOUGH. SO THIS, IT WAS ABANDONED AND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WAS ABANDONED. UM, SO THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS HOMELESS PERSONS LIVING AT THE PROPERTY. UM, IT WAS TRASHED REALLY BADLY. UM, THEY WERE, THEY HAD GONE IN AND STOLE COPPER. UM, THEY JUST DIS THE PLACE HAD JUST BEEN DESTROYED. AS YOU CAN SEE, ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS GOING TO BE DEMOLITION. THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF THE CITY DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A DEMOLITION ON THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUDGET WOULD'VE GONE BYEBYE. SO WHAT WE DID, ALONG WITH SAVITA, I NEEDED, DEFINITELY NEEDED HER HELP ON THIS ONE. 'CAUSE THIS, THIS WASN'T JUST LIKE A HOUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EASE INTO. THE FIRST ONE THAT SHE GAVE ME ON MY OWN WAS THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX. I WENT, OH, I WILL PRIVATELY TELL YOU ONE OF THE FIRST OTHER ONES I WENT TO. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WORKED IT OUT. THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT ACTUALLY WANTED TO OWN AND WANTED TO BUY THE PROPERTY, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, I'M SURE YOU, UM, YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH HOW LONG IT TAKES AND ARE BUYING PROPERTY. UM, SO WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT THE PERSON THAT WAS SELLING IT, IT WAS SECURED. UM, THEY WERE FINALLY ABLE TO GET THIS PROPERTY SOLD. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW. AND IT'S PRETTY SWEET LOOKING. AND I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU I WAS, UM, I FELT I'M A SHORT GUY, BUT I FELT 10 FEET TALL THAT DAY. AND BECAUSE IT, IT'S PRETTY COOL TO, TO, TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING WHERE YOU WERE ABLE TO, UM, NOT ONLY SAVE THIS PLACE, BUT YOU'VE NOW, UH, AT LEAST FACILITATED IN THE ABILITY OF A A A, A PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED CORRECTLY AND SOME PERSONS TO HAVE A, A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. AND WE WERE ABLE TO ELIMINATE THE NUISANCE WITHOUT TEARING IT ON THE PROPERTY. I'M SURE I MESSED UP BIG TIME ON THIS PROPERTY, BUT LUCKILY IT WAS 11 YEARS AGO. SO, AND YOU'RE STILL THERE NOW. UH, AS WE WENT THROUGH, A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE WENT THROUGH WERE, UM, RESIDENTIAL. THERE WERE SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, AND SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WERE A LITTLE, UM, UNIQUE. MARI PUL, MARI PUL WAS A, A RESTAURANT. PEOPLE COULD GO IN. UM, PROPERTY WAS, I WANNA SAY CLOSE TO LANIER HIGH SCHOOL AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM LANIER, UM, I CAN'T RECALL WHAT IT IS, BUT IT WAS, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AROUND THERE. ANYWAY, YOU COULD GO IN HERE AND GET BREAKFAST OR GET SOMETHING TO EAT. YOU COULD ALSO GET A LITTLE LAP DANCE . SO YOU GET A LITTLE LAP DANCE WITH THE BREAKFAST TACOS. AND THEY HAD SPECIAL DAYS. SO TACO TUESDAY ALSO HAD LONG DAY YOU GO GET YOUR CAR WASHED WITH A BEAN AND CHEESE T-SHIRT CONTEST. UM, NOT ONLY, UH, WERE THERE CODE VIOLATIONS AND HEALTH VIOLATIONS AT THE PROPERTY. IT WASN'T JUST LIKE SOME GREAT [01:45:01] RESTAURANT THAT JUST SO HAPPENED TO HAVE THIS. IT WAS A RESTAURANT THAT WAS FAILING SIGNIFICANTLY IN REGARDS TO HEALTH CODE SANITARY ISSUES. UM, SO THAT WAS THEIR CAR WASH. SO YOU GET A CAR WASH TOO, WHILE YOU GO GET YOURSELF THE NUMBER THREE PLATE. THIS PROPERTY WE DID ADDRESS. AND WE, WE SHUT THEM DOWN. UM, AND WHAT I MEAN BY SHUT THEM DOWN IS, UM, THEY WERE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO OPERATE THIS WAY. I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU CAN DRIVE BY THIS NOW, I WANT TO SAY IT'S SAFA GUADALUPE NEAR THE CULTURAL ARTS. YEAH, NEAR THE CULTURAL ARTS THEATER. LOOKS LIKE A GREAT RESTAURANT, HONESTLY, DOES. ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAD IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, WHEN WE DROVE BY THERE, THERE WERE, UM, WAY TOO MANY CARS THERE TO , UH, FOR PERSONS THAT WERE SOLELY COMING IN THERE TO GET TACOS. SO HISTORIC GANG HOUSE. AND IT WAS HISTORIC TO THE SENSE WHERE WE DID HAVE TO, UH, WORRY ABOUT OHP AND, AND THE HISTORIC. BUT WE ALSO, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SAVITA, WE ALSO HAD TO WORK WITH, UH, UM, US ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND DEA BECAUSE OF THE, THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. AND WHEN WE SAY GANG HOUSE, THIS WAS A REAL GANG HOUSE. IT WASN'T JUST A COUPLE OF RANDOM LOCAL GANGS. IT WAS A, IT WAS A BIG TIME GANG. I, I WANT TO SAY I SPECIFICALLY RECALL THEM DOING A, UM, NEWS CONFERENCE IN FRONT OF THIS HOUSE, UH, WITH THE, AND AGAIN, AVI, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE US ATTORNEY IN THIS AREA. AND I REMEMBER STANDING BEHIND HIM OR STANDING BEHIND AVI. I WAS JUST LIKE, OH, I HAD NO IDEA. I HARDLY DID ANYTHING. BUT IT WAS PRETTY COOL TO DO IT. THIS HOUSE WAS ADDRESSED BY US THAT WAY. THERE WAS NO REDEEMING QUALITY. THE NUISANCE AT THAT HOUSE WAS NOT ONLY THE HOUSE, BUT THE PERSONS INVOLVED, AND THAT THIS WAS THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE IT. OH, MY FAVORITE 9,500 BAREBACK TRAIL, UM, GREAT NORTHWEST. WE WERE GETTING REPORTS OF A HOUSE, UM, THAT WAS, UH, DETERIORATING IN THE SENSE OF UNSANITARY CONDITIONS. AND THEY BELIEVED THAT THERE WERE DOGS INSIDE THE HOUSE THAT WEREN'T BEING TAKEN CARE OF. UM, WHAT REALLY, UM, STEPPED UP OUR INVESTIGATION WAS OUR CODE OFFICER DECIDED TO GO BY AND DO A DRIVE BY ON THAT PROPERTY. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, TAKE A DEEPER LOOK, UH, A MUCH BETTER LOOK. TAKE SOME A FEW PICTURES. AND WHAT HE STARTED SEEING WERE RATS, NICE SIZE RATS, YOU KNOW, AT THE WINDOWS SCRATCHING LIKE THEY WANT TO GET OUTTA THE HOUSE. WE ALSO HAD REPORTS OF, UM, SURROUNDING, UM, HOUSES WHERE THEY WOULD SIT OUTSIDE AND ENJOY THEIR YARD. UM, THEY STARTED SEEING RATS WHERE THEY WOULD START PUTTING TRAPS IN THEIR BACKYARD AND CATCHING RATS. THERE WAS ALSO SOME WEIRD SMELL THAT WAS COMING FROM THE HOUSE. SO BASED ON OUR INVESTIGATION, WE DECIDED TO DO, UM, UH, WE STARTED TO DO OUR, OUR INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY WAS BROUGHT TO US BY A FIRST RESPONSE, WELL, LEMME REPHRASE THAT. THE PROPERTY WAS BROUGHT TO US BY ANIMAL CARE SERVICES. UH, THEY BELIEVED THAT THERE WERE SOME ANIMALS IN THERE THAT WERE BEING CRUELLY TREATED. UH, THEY COULDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE OR COOPERATION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER SUPPOSEDLY WASN'T LIVING THERE, KEPT STATING THAT THEY WERE GONNA COME MEET ANIMAL CARE OUT THERE AND WOULD NEVER SHOW. UH, SO WE DID, UH, WE GOT OUR WARRANT AND, UM, WE DID AN INSPECTION ON THE PROPERTY. I COULD TELL YOU THE FIRST THING WE DID WHEN WE GOT TO THE HOUSE. UM, AGAIN, SAPD TRIES TO SECURE THE PROPERTY. THERE WASN'T ANYBODY THERE. UM, WE TRY TO USE THE LEAST INTRUSIVE MEANS OF ENTRY. AND WHICH MEANS USUALLY SOMETIMES SAPD WILL TAKE 45 MINUTES TO GET SOMEBODY TO COME OUT. IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS. AGAIN, WE, WE ALLOW THEM TO, UM, UH, TO, TO WORK THAT OUT. UH, BUT WHEN WE WENT TO THE BACKYARD OF THE HOUSE, WE SAW A, A LOT, I'D SAY A BIG, HUGE STACK OF DOG BOWLS THAT WERE JUST EMPTY AND DIRTY AND COLLAPSIBLE. UM, CAGES, UM, SAPD WAS ABLE TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY. WE FOUND OUT THAT SHE WAS AN ANIMAL HOARDER. AND WHAT I MEAN BY AN ANIMAL HOARDER IS SHE HAD A, UM, I THINK I WANNA SAY IT WAS A CHIHUAHUA RESCUE OR SMALL ANIMAL [01:50:01] RESCUE. UM, SHE WAS USING THIS HOUSE, I GUESS, AS HEADQUARTERS. SHE WASN'T LIVING AT THE HOUSE, SO THERE WERE NO UTILITIES AT THE HOUSE. UM, SHE WOULD, I GUESS COME BY EVERY WEEK OR SO TO FEED THE, THE DOGS. BUT WHEN THE DOGS, UM, WHEN SHE WASN'T THERE, THE DOGS WERE TO BE REMAINED IN THE CAGE. UM, LIKE THAT. I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON THAT YOU SEE LIGHT IN THERE IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE LIGHT WE BROUGHT. IT WAS PITCH DARK. IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE CAGES, UM, DO WE HAVE A POINTER? I DON'T NEED THEM. BOTTOM OF THESE CAGES RIGHT HERE, SOME OF THEM DID NOT HAVE A SOLID FLOOR. SO THE ANIMALS WERE PUTTING THEIR FEET ON THE WIRES. THAT'S ALSO WHAT YOU FOUND AT THAT HOUSE. I COULD TELL YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW, I HATE RATS. I HATE ROACHES. I HATE SPIDERS. GOING INTO THAT HOUSE WAS ONE OF THE SCARIEST THINGS FOR ME. 'CAUSE IT WAS PITCH DARK. AND AGAIN, THE REASON WE SAW THAT IS 'CAUSE WE PUT A LIGHT TO IT. THOSE ARE DECOMPOSED BODIES OF ANIMALS THAT WERE FOUND IN HER CAR WHEN SHE FINALLY SHOWED UP, WHEN I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT HAZMAT, WE HAD TO HAVE, UM, ONCE WE STARTED THE INSPECTION AND SAPD WAS SECURING, GETTING READY FOR THE REAL INSPECTION WAS GONNA STOP. WE HAD TO STOP. UM, SOME OF THE, UM, POLICE OFFICERS WERE, WERE GAGGING AND WERE HAVING TROUBLE BREATHING. UH, THE AMMONIA LEVELS HAD GOTTEN SO BAD, UM, THEY'D STARTED TO SEEP INTO THE GROUND AND INTO THE FOUNDATION OF THE PROPERTY. THAT HOUSE COULDN'T BE SAVED. AND I COULD TELL YOU EVERY NEIGHBOR IN THAT AREA WAS VERY HAPPY. THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN YOU TRYING TO ENJOY YOUR BACKYARD PATIO. AND THEN YOU HEAR A BUNCH OF RAT TRAPS GOING OFF. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE HAVING TO DEAL WITH. AND WE HAD A PROPERTY OWNER THAT WAS NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE. SHE HARDLY SHOWED UP TO THAT HOUSE. UM, SHE WAS ISSUED CITATIONS. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT THE CASE I AC CRUELTY CASE ENDED UP, UH, STEMMING FROM THAT. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, UM, UH, FINAL DISPOSITION OF THE CASE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE, UH, ANIMAL CARE DID FILE ON HER. SO YES, WE DO HAVE ANIMAL HOARDERS. WE ALSO HAVE TRASH HOARDERS. AND AGAIN, ALL THESE HOUSES AND THE, THE SITUATION ARE STRUCTURES THAT THEY ARE IN. CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES HAVE TO GO IN, DOES HAVE TO MAKE INJURY, DOES NEED TO DOCUMENT SOMEBODY LIKES WHATABURGER. YEAH. AND I, I GUESS I, I GUESS AT LEAST THEY'RE KEEPING HYDRATED. YEAH. YEAH. AND I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE PROPERTIES WHERE THERE ARE, THESE HOUSES HAVE NEIGHBORS AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE DEALING WITH THIS AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME. IT'S NOT FOR THE DART UNIT TO, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, FOR THE DART UNIT TO COME, UH, ADDRESS THAT PROPERTY. UM, THE PROBLEM HAS TO BE EXTENSIVE. AND WITH RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, IT'S NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY THAT WE WILL SEE A TWO YEAR HISTORY BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GETS TO US. SOME NEIGHBORS ARE, ARE, ARE HESITANT TO CALL BECAUSE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR AFRAID THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE. UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S HOW THIS HOUSE LOOKS NOW. AND IF YOU NOTICE, LOOK RIGHT THERE, THERE'S A BATHROOM. I COOKING METH . I GOTCHA. YEAH, THIS WAS A METH HOUSE. UM, AND THEY WERE COOKING METH. AND THIS CASE DID MOVE FORWARD IN ADDITION TO JUST BEING, UM, [01:55:01] UNSANITARY. THAT'S WHAT THIS HOUSE LOOKS LIKE NOW. 900 BLOCK OF WEST HOUSTON, ALSO KNOWN AS CATTLEMAN SQUARE PRIOR TO, OR RIGHT AROUND WHEN THAT, UM, VIA TRANSIT STATION WAS BUILT RIGHT THERE. UM, THIS WAS SAN ANTONIO'S VERSION OF NEW JACK CITY. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOU COULD GO INTO THIS, UH, YOU CAN GO INTO, UH, 900 WEST HOUSTON, THAT BIG, HUGE RED BUILDING THAT'S ALL BOARDED UP RIGHT NOW. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU NEEDED, YOU'D GO TO A CERTAIN FLOOR. IT WAS THE WEIRDEST THING I'D EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. THE DART UNIT DID ADDRESS THIS PROPERTY, AND AS YOU CAN SEE NOW, IT IS BOARDED, SECURED, KEEPING IT CLEAN AROUND THE AREA. YOU KNOW, THERE THERE ARE PERSONS THAT ARE WITHOUT HOMES AND THEY LIKE TO KIND OF HANG OUT THERE. AND AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT INSIDE, WE'RE GOOD. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. NOW, NINE, SEVEN AND BLOCK OF HEIDELBERG. I CAN TELL YOU THIS HOUSE, UM, THIS WAS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST HOUSES THAT THE DART UNIT HAD TO DEAL WITH. WE DEALT WITH IT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. UM, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN A RAT WATCHING TELEVISION. UM, IT'S ALSO THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN A RAT WATCHING TELEVISION WHEN WE WALK IN. DOESN'T HAVE, DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US COMING INTO THE HOUSE. I, I, I KNOW IT SOUNDS, I KNOW I, I SOUND FUNNY, BUT I'M NOT KIDDING YOU WHEN I SAY THAT. SO, THIS HOUSE WAS OWNED BY AN ELDERLY WOMAN. UH, SHE HAD A COUPLE OF OLDER, SHE HAD A COUPLE OF GROWN SONS, AND HER GROWN SONS LIKE TO BRING THEIR, UM, THEIR FRIENDS OVER, DO DRUGS. UM, IT ENDED UP BECOMING A HOMELESS CAMP IN HER BACKYARD AND IN HER HOUSE. AND AT, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I DON'T THINK THAT SHE WAS IN A POSITION TO REMOVE THOSE PERSONS. AND I ALSO THINK THAT THERE, THERE, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THAT SHE WAS TRYING TO, UH, FACE WITH BECAUSE SHE WAS CHALLENGED WITH. UM, WE LITERALLY HAD A, A, A COMMUNITY IN HER BACKYARD. SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE. THERE'S FIVE TO SIX DIFFERENT LITTLE HOUSES. AND I WOULD, THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN, LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIND OUT WHEN THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN. I, I, I, I RECALL ME HANDLING THIS PROPERTY ROUGHLY AROUND, EXCUSE ME, ROUGHLY AROUND 2013. WE FINALLY FINISHED IT CLOSE TO WHEN, UM, RIGHT BEFORE COVID STARTED. AND IT TOOK US A WHILE, IF YOU COULD SEE RIGHT HERE. WE ACTUALLY HAD PERSONS COMING IN, ASSISTING HER AND TRYING TO GET THE PROPERTY REPAIRED. WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS WE WORKED WITH HER. SHE ENDED UP SELLING THE PROPERTY. SHE MOVED, I, I WANNA SAY OUT OF THE CITY, AND WE WERE ABLE TO REMOVE ALL THE JUNK THAT WAS IN HER BACKYARD, RUSTIC LANE, RIGHT NEXT TO A HOBBY MIDDLE SCHOOL. AGAIN, WE HAD, UM, PERSONS THAT WERE LIVING IN THAT HOUSE THAT THE HOUSE DIDN'T BELONG TO THEM. UM, THEY WERE JUST TRASHING IT OUT. NEIGHBORS WERE UPSET. UM, SURPRISINGLY PRU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO, UH, WE ADDRESSED THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. AT THE VERY LEAST, LEAST THEY WERE FEEDING THEIR PETS. OKAY. NOW THE SOMETHING I WANT TO JUMP INTO REAL QUICK. REACTION, DEMAND FOR ACTION VERSUS OPPOSITION. HISTORIC VERSUS POLICE HOUSES. DON'T COMMIT TO THE CRIMES VERSUS BROKEN WINDOW THEORY. THESE ARE ALL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND WE TRY TO BALANCE THEM OUT. OUR PROPERTIES COME FROM, FROM FIRST RESPONDERS. WE TRY NOT TO DEAL WITH PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMING FROM COUNCIL PERSONS OR THEIR, THEIR, UM, UH, THEIR STAFF. JUST BECAUSE SAPD BELIEVES IT'S A PROPERTY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S A DART PROPERTY. THERE ARE CRIMINAL, THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE REAL CRIMINAL ISSUES THAT DART'S NOT GOING TO ADDRESS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT CODE ISSUES. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT COMBINATION CODE HEALTH ANIMAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT SAPD. YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT COMBINATION. AND WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE, WE TRY NOT TO [02:00:01] HIT PROPERTIES JUST BECAUSE COUNCIL WANTS US TO. WE WANT TO ADDRESS PROPERTIES THAT ARE AFFECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HAVE REAL LIFE HEALTH, SAFETY ISSUES, AND ARE CAUSING A NUISANCE TO THAT, UM, AREA WHERE IF WE ADDRESS IT, THAT NUISANCE CAN BE ELIMINATED. AND LASTLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN AFTER ACTION PLAN THAT WE'VE FOUGHT IT THROUGH AS TO WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN NEXT. SO WHEN I SAY FIRST RESPONDERS, THAT WHEN ANIMAL CARE, HEALTH DEPARTMENT CODE, SAPD, THERE IS ANIMAL CRUELTY. THIS LITTLE DOG WAS FOUND, UM, AT A DART INSPECTION BECAUSE HE WAS BEING USED TO TRAIN ANIMALS, TO FIGHT ANIMALS, TO FIGHT OTHER DOGS. HE'S THE SACRIFICE. HE'S THE SACRIFICE DOG. THAT PERSON ENDED UP, UM, THEY, THEY WERE EITHER GOING TO BE ISSUED A TON OF CITATIONS OR THEY COULD SURRENDER. THE DOG ANIMAL CARE WILL USUALLY GIVE HIM THAT OPPORTUNITY. DO YOU WANNA SURRENDER THE ANIMAL? CAN YOU TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMAL? THEY SURRENDERED. I ADOPTED , THAT'S BLUE. AND I PROMISE YOU, I DID NOT POSE HIM TO SIT LIKE THAT. . I ADOPTED BLUE. MY WIFE AND I RESCUED BLUE IN 2015. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, HE'S CURRENTLY AT HOME WAITING FOR US TO GET HOME SO HE CAN GO PLAY WITH HIS BALL, HE CAN GET HIS TREAT, AND HE CAN CHILL. HE'S A GREAT DOG. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND THIS LOOKS LIKE HE HAS SOME QUESTIONS. YEAH, BUT BEFORE I GET TO HIM, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ? YES, MS. WEINER? I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A COMMENT. I WAS PERSONALLY ABLE TO WATCH ONE OF THESE. IT STARTED BEFORE I ACTUALLY GOT THERE, BUT IT, IT'S QUITE INTERESTING. AND THE REASON I WAS THERE IS BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS CAT CORNER, ABOUT TWO TO THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM MINE. AND I WAS JUST WALKING BY AND, AND IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU SAY THAT. LET ME, LET ME STATE THIS REAL QUICK. SHE'S CORRECT THE HOUSE THAT SHE LIVES ON, THIS BOARD HERD THE STREET, EXCUSE ME. AND IT WAS A ASHBY PLACE. IT WAS A HISTORIC PROPERTY. WHEN OHP CAME IN HERE AND STATED THAT THEY, HEY, THEY WORK WITH DSD, THAT THE LITTLE THING, SHE HAD D-S-D-N-H-S-D-S-A-P-D-I TURNED TO A MEAN, I WAS A LITTLE SAD. I WAS LIKE, WHAT ABOUT THE DART UNIT? BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ELIMINATE THE NUISANCE WITHOUT PROPERTY. IT WAS HISTORIC. THERE WAS NO, THE NO WAY THAT THE DART UNIT WANTED TO BRING THAT PROPERTY TO BSB FOR A DEMO. IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK. AND IT, QUITE HONESTLY, WE NEEDED TO GET IT, WE NEEDED TO GET THE PERSONS OUTTA THERE. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WORKED WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND WE DID AN INSPECTION ON THAT PROPERTY. AND THAT PROPERTY WAS THEN BROUGHT TO THIS BOARD AS SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VIOLATIONS. AND WHEN THOSE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VIOLATIONS WERE NOT ADDRESSED, THE DART UNIT WENT AHEAD AND ENFORCED THE BOARD'S ORDER, THEN HANDED OVER TO THAT PROPERTY. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHO WAS VERY HELPFUL AND WORKED WITH US, SHE WAS JUST AFRAID OF THE PERSONS THAT WERE ON THE PROPERTY. THAT, THAT, THAT PROPERTY'S NOW IN THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM, IT'S NO LONGER A DART PROPERTY. AND THAT'S HOW WE WORK WITH OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROPERTY CAN BE ADDRESSED. WE CAN ELIMINATE THE NUISANCE. THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO INCLUDE DEMOLISHING A HOUSE. THAT'S ALSO HAPPENED WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH UNIT, WHERE AFTER WE, UH, DETERMINED ONCE WE WENT TO THE PROPERTY, UH, CONDUCTED THE INSPECTION AND DETERMINED THAT THIS PERSON, UM, NEEDED SOME HELP, WE OFFICIALLY DECLARED THAT PROPERTY NO LONGER A DART PROPERTY. WHY? BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS US, EXCUSE ME. IT ALLOWS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND CITY DEPARTMENTS TO WORK WITH THEM TO SEE IF THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY OF THE CITY PROGRAMS. IF YOU'RE A DART PROPERTY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ELIGIBLE. SO, MR, WE'RE GONNA DO LADIES FIRST. MR. ANDA. SORRY. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, SO IF A DART UNIT IS AT THE PROPERTY, THEN ALL, UH, MITIGATION MEASURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN BEFORE DEMOLITION. OH, OKAY. SO, SO WHEN, WHEN THE DART UNIT GOES AND DOES AN INSPECTION ON A PROPERTY, AFTER THAT INSPECTION IS DONE, WE GET TOGETHER AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? WHAT'S OUR GAME PLAN? WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS IT? IT'S ALWAYS GONNA INCLUDE AN AFTER ACTION [02:05:01] MEETING. IF WE CAN HAVE IT IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, IF, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE TAKE IT TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS DEMOLITION OR REPAIR, THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, THAT, THAT'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CALL. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY, OH, THIS PROPERTY WAS BAD, LET'S DEMOLISH IT. THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I, I WOULD DO. UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE TEAM WOULD DO. IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON STRUCTURALLY CAN IT BE FIXED, UM, BASED ON WHO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS. IS THAT PERSON AROUND OR ALIVE OR AVAILABLE? UM, I COULD TELL YOU JENNY, UM, IS ALSO, SHE'S IN CHARGE OF THE, THE CODE OFFICERS. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, KIND OF MAKES THAT, THAT DECISION. I, I'M NOT GONNA SAY, HEY, GO DEMOLISH. LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TAKE THIS PROPERTY DOWN. IT JUST DEPENDS ON IF, IF SOMEBODY CAN COME UP HERE AND MAKE AN ARGUMENT TO YOU THAT A PROPERTY SHOULD BE SAVED, SO BE IT. YES. MR. ANDIS, I GOT TWO OF 'EM FOR YOU. . OKAY. TOUCHING A LITTLE MORE ON THAT. ONCE YOU COMPLETED YOUR AFTER ACTIONS AND THE AFTER ACTIONS IN THIS CASE IS WITH THE, IF THE HOMEOWNER IS NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR LIVING THERE, IT WOULD BE WITH BOTH. ONCE YOU'VE GIVEN YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THEM, YOU GIVE THEM TIME TO RESPOND, CORRECT? UH, I JUST DON'T WANT, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. SO WE'RE IN THE AFTER ACTION MEETING. SO PRIOR TO THAT, AFTER ACTION MEETING, TAKING PLACE, UH, THE TEAM, THE UNIT ALREADY KNOWS HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED BASED ON THE CODE ISSUES, BASED ON THE HEALTH ISSUES, ANIMAL CARE ISSUES. UM, I WILL ALWAYS, AND LUCINDA AND I, WHAT WE END UP DOING IS RIGHT BEFORE WE'LL MEET WITH THE TEAM, THEN I GO INTO AVI'S OFFICE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT OUR GAME PLAN IS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? UM, SO THE LEGAL WILL DISCUSS IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE. THEN IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES OR SHE SUGGESTS THAT WE, UM, ALTER IT A LITTLE BIT, THEN WE'LL GO BACK INTO THE TEAM. HEY GUYS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THE GAME PLAN IS. LET'S SEE IF THEY CAN, UM, SEE IF THEY CAN COME TO COME, COME TO, UH, THE PROPERTY IN GOOD FAITH, AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN TRY TO WORK IT OUT. THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE WE WILL, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S GIVE THEM SOME CHANCES. LET'S SEE IF THEY CAN GET A, B AND C DONE WHILE THEY'RE DOING A, B, AND C. YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL, WE WILL GET IT READY JUST IN CASE IT HAS TO GO TO THE BUILDING STANDARD BOARD, OR JUST IN CASE IT NEEDS TO GO TO LITIGATION. WE'LL KIND OF PREPARE IT IN THE BACKGROUND. BUT IF THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING ASIDE WITH THE, WITH ANY OTHER AVENUES THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO TAKE. AND THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED YOU TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE THINK AS SOON AS YOU GET IT, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY IN THE BOARD. NO. A SERIOUS PROCESS. NO. OUR PROCESS IS WE WANT TO ELIMINATE THE NUISANCE. THE GOAL IS, IS TO BRING IT TO CODE COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? WE WANT COMPLIANCE CRIMINALLY, RIGHT? IF IT'S THERE, WE WANT COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE ISSUES, IF THEY'RE THERE, ANIMAL HEALTH, UM, ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE AFFECTING THE PROPERTY AND NOT ALLOWING THAT PROPERTY TO, UH, TO THRIVE. NOT ALLOWING THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOUSE. IF IT'S AFFECTING HEALTH, LIFE SAFETY, WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS IT. BUT IF WE CAN COME INTO SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT OR ARRANGEMENT WHERE WE ARE ADDRESSING THOSE, THOSE, UH, HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING, WITHOUT, UH, BRINGING IN, UM, WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE PROPERTY LEGALLY, WHETHER IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE ROUTE, A LAWSUIT ROUTE, OR OR FILING AFFIDAVITS, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. AND THEN THE SECOND PART WOULD BE LIKE THE HOUSTON STREET. THE BUILDING HAS BEEN OUT OF OUR HANDS ONCE YOU DID YOUR PART, AND THEN DSD HANDLES IT AND THEN IT GOES TO THE, UH, ABANDONED PROPERTY PROGRAM. NO, IT GOES TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. I DO WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND IN REGARDS TO THAT WEST HOUSTON PROPERTY, UH, WHAT WE DID IS WE WORKED WITH, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER IN THAT AREA, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT, SAPD. UM, AND WE, WHAT WE DID IS RE THE PERSONS THAT WERE IN THERE WEREN'T IN THERE LEGALLY. IN ADDITION, THEY, IT WAS, IT WAS AFFECTING THE, EXCUSE ME, LIFE AND SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE REMOVE THE PERSONS THAT WEREN'T ALLOWED TO BE THERE, WORKED WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, UM, WERE GONNA, UM, SECURE IT, UM, ON THEIR DIME. UM, AND ONCE IT'S SECURED, THEY, THEY, THEY DO WHAT? YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO ONCE IT'S SECURED, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT. IT'S YOUR PROPERTY. WE'RE NOT HERE TO, UH, TAKE YOUR PROPERTY AWAY FROM YOU. WE'RE HERE TO ADDRESS THE, UH, CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY THAT CREATE A NUISANCE THAT THREATEN HEALTH AND SAFETY. SO IN THAT CASE, THE OWNER IS THE ONE THAT HAS TO MAINTAIN IT. YES. BUT DO WE SEND SOME PROPERTIES TO THE ABANDONED [02:10:01] PROGRAM? WHO DOES THE DART UNIT? YEAH. ONCE YOU FINISH EVERYTHING, IF, IF, IF WE CAN WORK WITH OHP TO DO THAT, YES, WE WOULD. AND WE'VE DONE IT. UM, I THINK WE'VE DONE IT ON TWO PROPERTIES. THIS, THIS WAY. IT'S OUT OF OUR, BECAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT ENDS OUR YEAH. PART. IT NEVER SEES US UNLESS, AND, AND ONCE, ONCE IT'S TURNED OVER TO, UH, THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM, OR ONCE THERE'S A-A-B-S-B ORDER ON THE PROPERTY, UH, WHAT THE DART UNIT DOES IS WE TAKE PROCEDURES TO CLOSE OUT OUR, OUR, OUR CONCERN. IF WE GIVE IT TO LITIGATION, WE'RE CLOSING OUT OUR CASE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. OH, IT'S ROBERT TOP. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF OUR OFFICERS AS THEY COME OUT, BECAUSE THESE ARE BAD SITUATIONS. AND, UH, JUST CONTINUE WITH CAUTION. I APPRECIATE YOU AND I WILL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MOTHER'S GONNA TALK. NOW. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS GONNA BE ROBERTS RULE OF ORDERS. COMMENTS ON THE DARK LIMITATIONS? NO, SIR. YOU MAY NOT. 5 5, 1 0 7. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO, SIR. YOU MAY NOT. GOOD MORNING. BOARD. MORNING. GOOD MORNING. IT'S STILL MORNING. IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL BARELY . UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH THESE FAIRLY QUICKLY. SO, UH, WITH ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS, Y'ALL KNOW, UH, THAT'S THE PROCEDURE WE FOLLOW. UNLESS OUR OWN RULES AND PROCEDURES ARE IN PLACE, OUR OWN RULES AND PROCEDURES WILL TRUMP ROBERT'S. RULES OF ORDER. ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS ARE THERE AS A DEFAULT. WE DO FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS, UM, OR FOR ORDERS FOR OUR MEETINGS. AND ROBERT'S RULES. THE CHAIR IS THE PRESIDING OFFICER WHO'S RESPONSIBLE, UH, HE OR SHE, THIS CASE DWAYNE. HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURES AND MAINTAINING ORDER AND DISCIPLINE DURING THE HEARINGS SO THAT THE ACTUAL WORK OF THE BOARD CAN BE CONDUCTED. UH, IT'S, IT'S, OH, THERE, IT'S, OKAY. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. OH, WHY DO WE USE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS SO THAT EVERY MEMBER ON THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS AND BE HEARD BEFORE A VOTE CAN BE TAKEN. AND TO PROVIDE AN ORGANIZED PROCEDURE ON WHICH ACTION CAN BE ADDRESSED. UH, THE RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE, DESIGNATED TIME AND LOCATION FOR REGULAR MEETINGS, PROCEDURES FOR PLACING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. JUDY AND ESTHER TAKE CARE OF THAT. UM, METHODS TO COMPEL MEMBERS TO ATTEND MEETINGS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE GOOD ATTENDANCE BY ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, HOW TO INTRODUCE ITEMS AND VOTE ON THEM. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S THE MOST APPLICABLE TO YOU. AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT. AND, UM, IT ESTABLISHES THE RANKING OF MOTIONS. WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TOO IN DEPTH ON THOSE BECAUSE, UH, IF, IF WE FOLLOWED ROBERT'S RULES, UH, TO THE BLACK LETTER, WE WOULD NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE. NOTHING. SO THERE'S JUST A, THE MAIN MOTIONS IN ORDER TO VOTE FOR ACTION ON A PROPERTY, UH, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, I MOVE THAT. AND SO I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY AT X, Y, AND Z UH, BE FOUND A PUBLIC NUISANCE PURSUANT TO CITY CODE CHAPTER SIX ONE DASH 57, AND BECAUSE OF THE SECTIONS UNDER 1 56. AND THEN YOU LIST THEM. THAT'S YOUR MOTION. A MOTION HAS TO BE SECONDED IN ORDER FOR DISCUSSION. YOU CANNOT DISCUSS AN ITEM UNLESS A MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR Y'ALL TO KEEP IN MIND. YOU MIGHT NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, BUT YOU MIGHT WANNA SECOND IT SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DISCUSS IT AND TALK ABOUT IT. UM, BECAUSE YOU SECOND, A MOTION DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. YOU'RE JUST WANTING TO PROCEED TO DISCUSSION. AND THEN THE CHAIR IS THE ONE WHO ANNOUNCES THE MOTIONS. AND SO AFTER THE CHAIR SAYS IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED, NOW DISCUSSION CAN BE HAD. I TELL Y'ALL THIS ALL THE TIME, I WANT A ROBUST [02:15:01] DISCUSSION ON, ON, ON ALL AGENDA ITEMS. THAT ACTION, OFFICIAL ACTION IS TO BE TAKEN. SO, UH, IF, IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IF YOU FEEL IT SHOULD BE REPAIRED RATHER THAN DEMOLISHED OR DEMOLISHED RATHER THAN REPAIRED, OR EVEN IF YOU WANNA RESET IT, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND YOU HAVE IT OUT IN THE OPEN, UH, AND ALL MATTERS, UH, THAT YOU FEEL ARE IMPORTANT TO MAKING YOUR DECISION, THEN HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION. THE REASON I SAY THAT ALSO IS TO, UH, BENEFIT LITIGATION. IF A PROPERTY IS APPEALED AND GOES TO DISTRICT COURT, WE USE THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE HEARINGS. AND SO I WANNA BE ABLE TO SHOW TO THE JUDGE. WE HAD A DISCUSSION, A ROBUST DISCUSSION ON THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, ALL THE ITEMS WERE ADDRESSED, CONCERNS WERE RESOLVED. AND THIS IS A DECISION THAT THE BOARD CAME TO IN A REASON MANNER. SO, A LOT OF THIS IS ELEMENTARY FOR Y'ALL AT THIS POINT, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, AYE, IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR, OPPOSED, NO, THE CHAIR HAS TO CALL THE VOTE IN TERMS OF THERE'S SO MANY, THERE'S X NUMBER OF AYES, THERE'S X NUMBER OF NAYS, UH, THE NOSE HAVE IT, MOTION FAILS, OR THE EYES HAVE IT, MOTION CARRIES FOR Y'ALL. UM, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR VOTE UP UNTIL THE TIME THE CHAIR ANNOUNCES THE RESULT OF THE VOTE. SO SAY, UH, YOU VOTED, UM, LET'S SAY, UH, SIX TO EIGHT IN FAVOR OF DEMOLISHING. SO THE MOTION FAILED. YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR VOTE ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THE CHAIR ANNOUNCES THE VOTE. SO YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, FRED, IF YOU'D SAY, OH, OOPS, I MEANT TO SAY AYE, INSTEAD OF NAY. YOU CAN DO THAT UP UNTIL THE VOTE IS ANNOUNCED. THERE ARE SOME, UH, UNANIMOUS CONSENT. THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT YOU CAN DO BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT. EVERYTHING ELSE HAS TO BE BY MOTION. AND SECOND, AND A VOTE UNANIMOUS CONSENT. UH, YOU CAN DO THE MINUTES BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT. INSTEAD OF TAKING A ROLL CALL VOTE, YOU CAN, UH, UH, MOVE TO ADJOURN. DOES NOT REQUIRE A VOTE. THAT'S BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT. AND, UH, AND SO BASICALLY THERE, IT'S OFTEN USED FOR MINUTES AND TO ADJOURN A MEETING. NOW, HERE, I JUST WANNA GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, SECONDARY MOTIONS. A SECONDARY MOTION IS FIRST SOMEONE'S MOVED A MOTION FORWARD, THEN YOU, UH, IT'S BEEN SECONDED. THIS IS WHEN Y'ALL DO WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. YOU CAN OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, AND THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION HAS TO ACCEPT. IF THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION DOES NOT ACCEPT, THEN THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FAILS. SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE FEW, NOT RABBIT TRAILS. BUT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS ARE A GOOD WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEONE FORGOT TO ADD BOARD AND SECURE PROPERTY, OR, OR IF SOMEONE MOVED TO RESET A PROPERTY, BUT FORGOT TO SAY FOR HOW LONG FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, IF YOU ACCEPT, I SAY RESET THE PROPERTY, BRING IT BACK IN 30 DAYS, THEN THE MAIN MOVEMENT WOULD SAY YAY OR NAY. INCIDENTAL MOTIONS. THE ONLY ONES THAT REALLY, UH, ARE ONES THAT YOU WOULD USE ARE POINT OF ORDER IF DISCUSSION. IF YOU'RE HAVING DISCUSSION AND FRED GOES ON AND ON AND ON. , AT THAT POINT, SOMEONE CAN SAY, POINT OF ORDER. UH, POINT OF ORDER IS . UH, POINT OF ORDER IS YOU'RE BRINGING, UH, ATTENTION, UH, TO THE CHAIR THAT, UH, THE POINT OF ORDER IS WE'VE, UH, STRAYED FROM THE MAIN DISCUSSION. LET'S GATHER BACK IN FOCUS, READ . I, I I WILL HAVE TO SAY CHAIR, THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD POINT OF ORDER SINCE THE PASSING OF MRS. THAT'S TRUE. THAT WAS HIS FAVORITE. WE RETIRED THAT PHRASE. NO, , ABSOLUTELY. GO AHEAD. SO YES, POINT OF ORDER. ANY MEMBER CAN SAY POINT OF ORDER, BUT IT HAS TO BE BECAUSE THE CONVERSATION [02:20:01] OR THE DISCUSSION HAS STRAYED. OR IF ONE OF Y'ALL FEELS LIKE WE'VE HAD ENOUGH DISCUSSION, YOU CAN ALSO CALL THE VOTE. AND WHEN YOU SAY CALL THE VOTE, THAT MEANS CHAIR, I FEEL THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH DISCUSSION. WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE TO END THE DISCUSSION? IMPROPER MOTIONS, UH, MOTIONS MADE TO DELAY THE MEETING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. WITH THE BOARD. WE WANNA GET OUT OF HERE AS FAST AS WE CAN. UH, CHALLENGING MOTIVES OF MEMBERS. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO CHALLENGE SOMEONE'S MOTIVES, UH, OUTSIDE THE AUTHORITY OF THE BOARD. YOU CAN'T MAKE A MOTION TO SAY, UM, WELL, I, I MOVE THAT THE ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY BE CHANGED. THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE AUTHORITY AND PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD. THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS OR THE YEAH, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS ON BOARD. YEAH. AND THEN MOTIONS THAT ARE NOT REALLY MOTIONS, BUT IT'S ATTACK ON A FELLOW MEMBER. UH, Y'ALL HAVE NEVER DONE THAT. UH, BUT I'VE SEEN BOARDS WHERE IT IS JUST DEVOLVED INTO SCREAMING MATCHES AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CHAIR TO MAINTAIN ORDER. UH, THESE, UH, THIS IS JUST A FLOW CHART. THE MAIN MOTION SECONDED DISCUSSION, DEBATE IF SOMEONE AMENDS SECOND DISCUSSION, DEBATE. BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA, UH, GO INTO ALL THE LITTLE SIDE NOTES. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, ROBERT'S RULES, IF WE FOLLOWED IT TO THE T, WE WILL, WE WOULD NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE. SO THAT'S THE BRIEF OVERVIEW ON ROBERT'S RULES. ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THIS IS THOMAS. CAN WE YEAH. GET A COPY OF THIS? SURE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GREAT. OH, I'LL ANSWER FROM JUDY. I'M, I'M GONNA POINT OF ORDER. MR. UH, ANDERS ALL THE TIME. , THE BOARD, WE RETIRED, DIDN'T WELL, AND I'M GONNA SAY AS OUR FORMER CHAIR, EVELYN BROWN WOULD SAY ALL THE TIME IS A POINT OF ORDER TO ALL THE MEN. REMEMBER, THERE'S WOMEN ON THIS BOARD WHO HAVE STRONG AND VERY GOOD OPINIONS, POINT OF ORDER, ESPECIALLY OPINIONS . YEAH. SO THAT'S, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ROBERT'S RULES? ALL RIGHTY. AND IF ANYBODY IS REALLY INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT THE, IN-DEPTH DETAILS OF ROBERT'S ORDERS, I DO HAVE A DIFFERENT COPY OF THIS, UH, PRESENTATION THAT GOES INTO ALL THE DETAILS. SO IF YOU DO WANNA SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LET ME KNOW. IF YOU'RE DYING TO FALL ASLEEP SOONER THAN THIS. THIS IS THOMAS. OKAY. CREEPILY. YES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. JUST 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S FASCINATING. OKAY. I WILL GET FOLKS, ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT CREEPILY. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SURPRISING AT ALL. THAT YOU WANT A FULL COPY OF THAT . AND THAT'S NOT A KNOCK. THAT'S JUST THAT I, I KNOW YOU SO WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU THAT I HAVE THE AMAZON DUMMY GUIDE SITTING ON MY DESK AT HOME FOR ROBERT PATROL ? NO, NOT ALL. JUST LIKE I ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU SAW MY DART, UH, PRESENTATION BEFORE YOU GOT ON THE BOARD. HAVE YOU FINISHED READING IT YET, DART? I'M ON PAGE 10. . THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE BOARD MEETING PROTOCOLS, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT, AND THE CODE OF ETHICS. WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH THIS BECAUSE ALL OF Y'ALL HAD, UH, UH, SIT THROUGH THE ETHICS PRESENTATION WHEN YOU GOT ON THE BOARD. SO THIS WILL BE A REPEAT, UH, THE CONDUCT OF THE MEETINGS. ROBERT'S RULES, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. NOW, THE CONDUCT OF THE MEETINGS, THE CHAIR IS THE ONE WHO, WHO RUNS THE MEETING, WHO MAKES SURE THAT EVERYTHING STAYS IN ORDER. SECRETARY CALLS THE ROLE. THE MINUTES, UH, AS YOU ALREADY KNOW FROM THE PAST, MEETINGS ARE APPROVED. AGENDA ACTION ITEMS ARE DISCUSSED AND VOTED UPON. AND THESE ARE ITEMS THAT ACTION IS BEING TAKEN BY THE BOARD. A VOTE IS BEING TAKEN BY THE BOARD COMMITTEE BRIEFINGS, REPORTS PRESENTED, FOLLOWED BY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. IF THERE ARE ANY DISCUSSION OF ITEMS PRESENTED BY THE MEMBERS, THAT'S UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION THAT, UH, WE'VE ADDED TO THE AGENDA. AND THEN THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. UM, JUST BASICALLY, UH, ETHICAL RULES. AND THE STANDARD FOR BOARD CONDUCT TO NOT BE ARBITRARY OR CAPRICIOUS, IS JUST TO RESPECT THE MEMBERS ON THE BOARD AND THOSE WHO COME BEFORE YOU. BUT MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE, THE LAWS AND PROCEDURES PURSUANT TO ROBERT'S RULES AND THE BOARD'S OWN, [02:25:01] UH, PROCEDURES AND RULES. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT MOTIONS AND VOTING. OPEN MEETINGS. UH, MEETING MEANS ANY DELIBERATION BETWEEN A QUORUM OF MEMBERS AT WHICH ANY PUBLIC BUSINESS IS DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED, OR AT WHICH ANY FORMAL ACTION IS TAKEN. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WAS, WOULD THERE BE A WALKING QUORUM, A WALKING QUORUM WOULD BE IF, SAY, UM, WE HAD ALL 14 AND WE HAD EIGHT MEMBERS GATHER TOGETHER. IF IT'S AT A SOCIAL EVENT, AND IF THE EIGHT OF Y'ALL START TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS, ABOUT A PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT'S COMING BEFORE YOU, AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE CONDUCTING AN OPEN MEETING. AND THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A WALKING QUORUM. TRAVELING QUORUM, SIMILAR. UH, THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO AVOID A QUORUM. AND SO, UH, DWAYNE CALLS A GATHERING. Y'ALL GO INTO, UM, THE BOARDROOM NEXT DOOR, BUT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU NEVER HAVE QUORUM AT ANY GIVEN TIME. SO EACH OF Y'ALL TAKE TURNS GOING IN AND OUT OF THE ROOM TO AVOID QUORUMS. SO THERE'S NEVER EIGHT PEOPLE, OR I'M SORRY, YES, EIGHT PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. THAT'S ALSO A TRAVELING QUORUM. THAT'S ILLEGAL. SO, UH, TO MAKE SURE IF OFFICIAL ACTION IS BEING TAKEN, IT HAS TO BE OUT IN THE OPEN WITH THE QUORUM OF THIS BODY DELIBERATION. UH, WHAT IS, WE GET QUESTIONS ON THAT. WHAT IS A DELIBERATION? SO THE DISCUSSION Y'ALL HAVE DURING A MEETING BETWEEN THE QUORUM OF THIS BODY OR BETWEEN THE QUORUM AND STAFF MEMBERS. AND IT'S WHEN YOU'RE CONDUCTING BUSINESS OFFICIAL ACTION. SO IF Y'ALL ARE AT A SOCIAL GATHERING, SAY DURING FIESTA, Y'ALL WERE AT AN EVENT AND THERE WAS EIGHT OF Y'ALL GATHERED TOGETHER, AND JUST HAVING A GOOD TIME. AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT CONDUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS, YOU'RE NOT TAKING A VOTE ON ANYTHING THAT DON'T, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GATHER. JUST MAKE SURE THAT NO OFFICIAL BUSINESS IS BEING CONDUCTED, WHICH I, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IF Y'ALL SAW EACH OTHER OUTSIDE THIS ARENA, YOU WOULD REALLY WANNA TALK ABOUT BUSINESS, AT LEAST I WOULD HOPE NOT. SO, LIKE I SAID, THE MEETINGS EXCLUDE SOCIAL FUNCTIONS. IF YOU'RE AT A CONVENTION OR A WORKSHOP, UH, THIS IS IN A, UH, WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT. IF, UH, START TALKING ABOUT OFFICIAL BUSINESS AT THAT POINT, THEN YOU'RE WALKING THE LINE TOWARDS A QUORUM. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WALKING QUORUMS. OPEN SESSION. OPEN SESSION IS WHAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. UH, THIS IS WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR DISCUSSIONS AND YOU VOTE. UM, THE PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO ATTEND OPEN SESSIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK. IT'S A PRIVILEGE THAT'S GRANTED BY THE BOARD. AND THIS BOARD DECIDED UNDER ITS OWN RULES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE WOULD ADD, UH, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD SECTION TO THE BOARD. SO THAT'S WHY EARLIER TODAY WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE THE TRAINING, UH, PROCEEDED. EXECUTIVE SESSIONS. UH, THAT'S THE, IF YOU'VE BEEN READING THE NEWS, THAT'S THE TOPIC OF THE DAY. EXECUTIVE SESSION. UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE QUORUM OUT HERE BEFORE EITHER LEGAL OR THE CHAIR CAN CALL FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD CAN CALL FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. BUT THE CHAIR MUST AGREE TO GRANT THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND IS TO CONSULT, UH, WITH YOUR ATTORNEYS FOR ATTORNEY-CLIENT MATTERS, UH, NO VOTES OR TO BE TAKEN DURING CLOSED SESSION, JUST WHAT YOU DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. UH, BY LAW, BY OUR ETHICS, UH, THE LAWYERS CANNOT REPEAT ANYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND WE ASK THAT YOU NOT REPEAT ANY, UH, ANYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OUTSIDE THIS BOARD. OTHERWISE, THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE HAS BEEN PIERCED. UH, NO STRAW VOTES IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH MEANS, UH, THERE, SAY A PROPERTY HAS BECOME HEATED, THE BOARD IS DIVIDED, WHICH WAY YOU WANNA GO WITH THE PROPERTY. DO YOU WANNA RESET IT, REPAIR IT, UH, SEND IT BACK TO OHP, SEND, [02:30:01] UH, OR DEMOLISH? WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS ATTORNEY CLIENT MATTERS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. YOU CANNOT TAKE WHAT'S CALLED THE STRAW VOTE, WHICH MEANS THAT BACK THERE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY DWAYNE SAYS, WELL, OKAY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS WORKED OUT. HOW WOULD EVERYBODY VOTE? CAN'T DO THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. IT HAS TO BE DONE IN, UM, PUBLIC, UH, MOVING ON TO THE PORTION OF THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT. UH, THE REASON FOR THE RECORDING OF THE HEARINGS AND, UH, FOR TRANSCRIBING, UH, WHEN WE DO GO TO COURT, THE MINUTES OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAY OUT IN PUBLIC IS BECAUSE ALL THAT IS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST PROCESS. AND SO ALL YOUR STATEMENTS YOU MAKE DURING THE COURSE OF THE MEETING OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, ARE BEING RECORDED AND THEN LATER TRANSCRIBED IF, UH, WE GO TO COURT AND NEED A TRANSCRIPTION. OKAY? UH, PUBLIC INFORMATION, ANY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS TRANSMITTED, RECEIVED, MAINTAINED ON, UH, ANY DEVICE. IF THE COMMUNICATION IS CONNECTION IS IN CONNECTION WITH OFFICIAL BUSINESS. SO, UH, THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT I ALWAYS REMIND BOARD MEMBERS DO NOT BE WRITING NOTES TO EACH OTHER ON HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE VOTING OR ON A PARTICULAR PROPERTY. BECAUSE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS ARE SUBJECT TO THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST PROCESS. INDIVIDUAL NOTES. AND THIS DOESN'T APPLY AS MUCH TO THE BOARD 'CAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T DO IT. BUT IF YOU GOT ON YOUR PHONES AND YOU STARTED TEXTING EACH OTHER DURING THE COURSE OF A MEETING AND DISCUSSING A PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT'S CONDUCTING BUSINESS, AND THOSE RECORDS FROM YOUR CELL PHONE WOULD THEN BE, UH, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SHARE THOSE RECORDS WITH THE PUBLIC. MOVING ON TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL NATURE OF THE BOARD FOR ALL THE NEW MEMBERS, I'M SURE WHEN YOU WERE TRAINED BY ERIC THAT, UH, YOU WERE TOLD THIS BOARD IS NOT AN ADVISORY BOARD. THIS BOARD IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD, WHICH IS, UH, A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD HAS MORE AUTHORITY, AN ADVISORY BOARD, SUCH AS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, HDRC IS AN ADVISORY BOARD. THEY ADVISE THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THEY ADVISE COUNSEL ON HOW TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION, WHICH DIRECTION. CONTRARY TO THAT, Y'ALL ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL. Y'ALL ARE BASICALLY JUDGES IN A COURT OF LAW. YOUR DECISIONS ARE FINAL, CANNOT BE OVERTURNED BY ANYONE OTHER THAN THE DISTRICT COURT JUDGE. SO AS A QUA, A QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY, YOU HAVE THE INHERENT AUTHORITY TO MAKE A FINAL AND BINDING DECISION. AND I'LL JUST KEEP REPEATING THAT, THAT Y'ALL ARE JUDGES. WHEN YOU'RE UP ON THE DAIS AND YOU'RE MAKING WHAT IS TO BE THE FINAL DECISION, A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN'T ORDER THAT A DECISION BE REVERSED, UH, UH, MEAN IF HE DOESN'T LIKE THE DECISION, CAN'T ORDER IT BE REVERSED. ONLY A DISTRICT COURT JUDGE CAN REVERSE YOUR ORDERS. AND THAT WAS A QUICK AND DIRTY 'CAUSE. UH, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE , Y'ALL ARE TIRED. SO QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, ANY OF THAT INFORMATION. ALRIGHTY, WELL, I APPRECIATE IT AND, UH, IF, UH, WE WILL, I'LL GET YOU THE FULL 38 PAGES OF THE POWERPOINT. THE REST OF Y'ALL ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO HAVE THE, THE TEENY POWERPOINT THAT COVERS WHAT WE DO AND JUST, UH, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. Y'ALL DO A FANTASTIC JOB AND A GREAT SERVICE TO THE CITY. THANK YOU. 1, 1, 1 LAST, UH, QUESTION, MA'AM. IT'S GOOD TO SEE. WELL COMMENT TOO. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK AT THE PULPIT. THANK YOU. YES, IT IS. UM, AND CAN, ON THE NEXT SLIDE'S REFERENCE WHAT STATE LAW GIVES US. WAS IT ON THERE BECAUSE I I MISSED IT. YEAH. THIS IS THOMAS RES. IT WAS LISTED ON THAT EACH CODE AS SHE WAS, UH, GOING THROUGH IT LISTED. OH, ON THERE? YEAH. YEAH. I DIDN'T SEE IT WHEN IT WAS LISTED. AND JUST REMEMBER, YOUR AUTHORITY COMES FROM, UH, THIS BOARD IS CREATED PURSUANT TO STATE STATUTE, CHAPTER TWO [02:35:01] 14 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. AND REMEMBER THAT THIS BODY IS THE ONLY BODY THAT'S CREATED BY STATUTE. AND SO THAT OVERRIDES THE CHARTER, UH, THE CITY CHARTER CREATION OF COMMITTEES, UH, UNDER, UH, IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND SO FOR CHAPTER TWO 14, UH, BOARD MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE INDEFINITE TERMS AS OPPOSED TO THE MAXIMUM TWO YEAR LIMITATION UNDER THE CITY CODE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. IT'S GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL AGAIN AND AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. JUST A SECOND BEFORE THERE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU AGAIN. AND AS FRED SAID, GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS COMMENT. NO, SIR, I APOLOGIZE. YOU HEARD THE COUNCIL A MOMENT AGO ADVISE YOU THIS IS A TRAINING SESSION AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC WAS DONE EARLIER IN THE DAY. SO YOU CANNOT, SIR, THIS WAS AN OPEN MEETING. NO, SIR. NO SIR. FOR THE RECORD, LEMME PUT THIS DOWN. MR. BURGES, PLEASE, PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT. I'D LIKE TO PUT THIS DOWN THE RECORD. NO, SIR. NO SIR. PLEASE, PLEASE, SIR, ARE YOU, I'D BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN IF I'M THREATENED WITH ARREST. YOU'RE NOT BEING, YOU'RE NOT BEING, YOU'RE JUST SITTING HERE AND CALL SECURITY. I SAID, SIR, PLEASE YOU TO INTERRUPT THIS. I'M GONNA HAVE TO CALL SECURITY. I COULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY. WELL, THAT'S GREAT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT 9 5 1. NO, SIR. NO, SIR. MR. BURGESS, PLEASE DON'T TOUCH ME. MR. BURGESS. PLEASE DO NOT, DO NOT CARRY ON. YOU WILL, YOU WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM. I WILL ASK YOU TO LEAVE THE ROOM. IF YOU DO NOT STOP INTERRUPTING THE MEETING. YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT WAS DONE AND IT'S OVER. SO PLEASE BE SEATED. MAY I MAKE A POINT OF ORDER? NO, SIR. NO, BECAUSE NO SIR. IN THE ROOM. NO, SIR. YOU'RE NOT ON THE BOARD, THEREFORE, YOU'RE NOT A POINT OF ORDER ISSUED. I SAW YOU WERE TOLD ANYONE IN THE ROOM CAN MAKE A POINT OF ORDER ON, ON THE BOARD THEN, THEN I WILL NOT ACCEPT YOUR POINT OF ORDER. PLEASE, PLEASE BE SEATED, SIR. THANK YOU. YOU WOULD ASK ME IF YOU COULD DO THAT. YES, GO. GO. NO BREAK. NEXT, , THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO HAVE SOME INTERESTING PROBLEMS. HOW LONG DO A RATE DO YOU NEED? FIVE MINUTES. FIVE. OKAY. I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST THAT I KNOW WE'VE BEEN GOING PRETTY STEADY, SO THAT'S NO PROBLEM. WE'RE GONNA, WE'VE HIT THE DOWNHILL. I CAN PROMISE YOU WE'VE HIT THE DOWNHILL AND WE'LL BE WRAPPING SOME OF THESE UP ALL THROUGH. I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. HAD ABSOLUTELY THE TIME IS NOW, UH, 1221. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK. UH, HE ASKED FOR FIVE MINUTES. I'LL GIVE HIM 10. SO WE'RE ADJOURNED FOR BREAK. THANK YOU, SIR. REALIZE THAT I GAVE YOU 10 MINUTES, BUT SINCE WE'RE ALL BACK, THE TIME IS NOW 1228 AND WE'LL RECONVENE THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. AND IF YOU WOULD JUST GO RIGHT AHEAD SINCE, SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CHOCOLATE GRAVY . WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU INTERRUPT THAT CONVERSATION. WE'LL DIGRESS. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS. UH, MY NAME IS JENNY RAMIREZ. I'M A CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER, UH, WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ONE, ONE OF THE FEW THAT WORK, UH, SIDE BY SIDE WITH JUDY TO KEEP US ALL ON TRACK. JUDY KEEPS ME ON TRACK. SO IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT OUR, OUR LIAISON STAFF, I JUST WANNA ALWAYS GIVE A GOOD PLUG FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY KEEP US ALL ON TRACK AND WE'LL BE COVERING SOME OF THE ITEMS, UM, JUST, JUST THROUGH THEIR TRACKING SERVICES THAT, THAT HELPS US MOVE ALONG, UH, IN THESE BOARD HEARINGS. UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT HAD COME UP, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE PREFACE TO THIS, IN ONE OF THE PRIOR HEARINGS OR, UM, THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS OF WHAT SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE FOR CITIZENS, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS, UM, MAKE THAT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THIS, WHEN, WHEN A CASE IS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, UM, TYPICALLY, ESPECIALLY FOR STRUCTURES, UM, BUT FOR THE YARDS, FOR OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON ON THESE PROPERTIES. UM, WE DO LIKE TO PUT A LITTLE SPOTLIGHT ON SOME OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE DO HAVE AVAILABLE. AND THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT I DO GET TO OVERSEE. I'M ALWAYS VERY EXCITED TO HELP KIND OF PLUG IT, PROMOTE IT, AND ADVERTISE IT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT IS OUR COMMUNITY TOOL SHED. UH, IT HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE, UH, 2012, UH, WITH THE CITY, UH, OVERSEEN BY CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, SLASH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE, UM, CITIZENS CAN COME IN AND BORROW TOOLS FREE. THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE TO SHOW IS SOME PROOF THAT THEY'RE A CITIZEN OF SAN ANTONIO. AND WHETHER IT'S A CABLE, WHETHER IT'S A PHONE BILL, WHETHER [02:40:01] IT'S IT IS AN ADDRESS OF, OF A LOCATION, WE, WE ARE VERY LIGHT ON WHAT THAT PROOF NEEDS TO BE. UH, WE ALSO HAVE THEM SIGN OFF ON, UM, A RELEASE FORM IF THEY'RE, BECAUSE WE DO LOAN OUT GAS POWERED TOOLS, WHETHER THEY'RE LAWNMOWERS, WEED EATERS. UH, WE DO HAVE A FEW CHAINSAWS. WE DON'T LOAN THOSE OUT VERY OFTEN. THEY'RE VERY HIGH MAINTENANCE. THEY DO BREAK QUITE OFTEN, BUT WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE IN WORKING ORDER, WE HAVE THOSE POLE SAWS AVAILABLE. ALRIGHT, THOSE, THOSE WORK A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE OFTEN DON'T BREAK DOWN QUITE AS BIT, BUT WE DO HAVE POLE SAWS ALSO AVAILABLE. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A FUNCTION. UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED IT TO THE NOTICES WHEN WE ARE OUT IN THE FIELD INVESTIGATING, OR WHEN WE ARE OUT HAVING TO ISSUE SOMEONE A NOTICE. WE DO MAKE SURE OUR STAFF ARE AWARE THAT, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A WILL IN A WAY, BUT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT AVAILABLE, WE HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO LOAN IT OUT. AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HIGHLIGHT AT ANY GIVEN TIME. UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO, IT IS NOT A MAN 24 HOUR LOCATION. SO WE DO SET UP A RESERVATION. FOLKS WILL MAKE A RESERVATION TO COME PICK UP A LAWNMOWER. THEY'LL MEET WITH THE STAFF, THEY'LL SHOW THEM THE BASIC USAGE OF IT. IT IS FILLED UP WITH FREE GAS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT OUR OWN GAS IN IT. IT IS PRIMED AND READY TO GO. WHETHER IT'S A WEED EATER THAT HAS THAT SPECIAL MIX OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, FLUIDS NEEDED. WE ALWAYS HAVE THOSE PRIMED AND READY TO GO. SO THEY MAKE THAT ARRANGEMENT, PICK IT UP ON A THURSDAY DROP, TYPICALLY DROP 'EM OFF ON MONDAYS. THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT LONGER TIME. WE, WE DO ALLOW FOR THAT LENGTH OF TIME AS WELL. WE ALSO HAVE THESE AVAILABLE FOR COMMUNITY GROUPS FOR NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IF THEY'RE WANTING TO DO MAYBE A WHOLE AREA OR A NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANY TYPE OF, UH, ACTIVITY LIKE THAT, WE'VE COORDINATED WITH THEM IN THE, IN THE PAST AS WELL. SO THIS IS, UM, LET'S SEE. SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS ARE JUST TO HIGHLIGHT. WE, WE HAVE ABOUT A HALF DOZEN LAWNMOWERS, WEED EATERS AT OUR CURRENT FACILITY, WHICH IS KIND OF LOCATED CENTRALLY. UH, THREE 18 NORTHWEST. MOS IS THE GENERAL LOCATION FOR THAT. WE JUST EXPANDED JUST THIS YEAR, THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT TO START TRACKING THAT AS WELL. WE HAVE BROUGHT INTO OUR INVENTORY SOME ELECTRIC MOWERS, SO WE'RE GONNA BE TRACKING TO SEE HOW THOSE HOLD UP, HOW THEY LAST, HOW THOSE BATTERIES WORK OUT. BUT WE WE'RE ALSO BRINGING IN, UH, THE WEED EATERS, ELECTRIC WEED EATERS. UH, WE WERE HAVING SOME FOLKS WHO WANNA BORROW SOME EQUIPMENT, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE A CAR. THEY DON'T HAVE A TRUCK TO PICK IT UP. AND, AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEMS THAT HAVE GAS OR THOSE, THOSE FLUIDS, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TYPICALLY ALLOW THOSE TO BE PUT IN A, IN A VEHICLE, BUT THESE ELECTRIC ITEMS, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THOSE FIT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HAVING ANY FLUID. THERE'S ZERO FLUIDS IN THERE. UM, IT IS STRICTLY A BATTERY POWERED ITEM. SO WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED TO SEE HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK OUT. WE'VE ALSO EXPANDED THAT, UM, A LOCATION. IT'S A LITTLE PILOT PROGRAM. IT'S A SMALLER FACILITY, BUT IT IS OVER ON OUR, UH, SOUTHEAST SIDE OF TOWN, WHICH IS LOCATED AT TH 1318 SOUTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10. WE, WE DON'T PUSH THE ADDRESSES TOO HEAVILY BECAUSE WE WAIT FOR RESERVATIONS TO BE MA UH, MADE BECAUSE WE, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MANNING THESE LOCATIONS ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO ONCE THE RESERVATION'S MADE, THEN THE OFFICER KNOWS TO PUT IT ON THEIR SCHEDULE TO, TO MEET WITH THE CITIZENS. BUT WE DO HAVE TWO LOCATIONS AND WE ARE BRINGING IN THOSE ELECTRIC, UH, PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND, UH, WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UH, UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS JUST SOME BASIC STATISTICS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRACKING, UH, KIND OF BREAKING IT DOWN BY COUNCIL DISTRICTS IN THE AREAS. UH, YOU CAN SEE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE AND FOUR, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUMP THAT UP, WHICH IS KIND OF PART OF THAT EXPANSION THAT WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE, TO SEE IF IT, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT A LITTLE MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR FOLKS IN THAT AREA OF TOWN WILL, WILL HOPEFULLY, UH, MAKE THAT USAGE A LITTLE MORE AVAILABLE AS WELL. SO WE, WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THE AVERAGE, UH, NUMBER OF PIECES OF EQUIPMENT BORROWED, UM, IN, UH, THE DIFFERENT COUNCIL DISTRICTS AS WELL. SO THAT, THAT'S JUST A VERY HIGH QUICK OVERVIEW, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO DEFINITELY PUT A GOOD SPOTLIGHT ON, ON THIS, UH, THIS LITTLE PROJECT THAT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN CONTINUING, UH, IN THE 10, 12 YEARS WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THIS. WE'VE HAD ONE ITEM THAT DISAPPEARED ON US. WE HAD TO MAKE A POLICE REPORT, WE HAD TO FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE CITIZENS. UH, BUT THEY STILL WERE ABLE TO, UH, REPLACE THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. SO WE'VE BEEN VERY, VERY EXCITED WITH, WITH THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE CITIZENS THAT ARE BORROWING THIS EQUIPMENT AND THE USAGE OF THIS EQUIPMENT AS, AS IT'S BEEN DONE. ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. DO YOU TAKE DONATIONS OF EQUIPMENT? WE USED TO, BUT MORE THAN, MORE THAN NOT, THAT EQUIPMENT WAS, WAS BREAKING DOWN MORE THAN NOT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE STICKING KIND OF WITH OUR EQUIPMENT RIGHT NOW. UM, IN THE PAST WE'VE EVEN GOTTEN SOME EQUIPMENT FROM PARKS AND REC WHEN THEY'RE KIND OF ROLLING THEIR STUFF OUT. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF STAYING WITH OURS SO THAT WE CAN TRACK THE, THE MAINTENANCE ON IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WE CAN TRACK, UM, SOME BRANDS JUST WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WE WE'RE NOT USING COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT, COMMERCIAL SIZE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WE WANT CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO PICK IT UP, PUT IT BACK IN THEIR, THEIR VEHICLES OR THEIR TRUCKS, WHATNOT. BUT, UM, WE ARE USING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER BRAND OF EQUIPMENT THAT CAN BE READILY USED. UM, AND WE ARE SEEING A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THAT THEY DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LONG LONGEVITY BEFORE THEY START BREAKING DOWN ON US. SOME OF THOSE, THOSE SOFT POINTS DO BREAK QUITE OFTEN AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO [02:45:01] KEEP 'EM IN THE, THE RENTABLE STAGE RATHER THAN IN THE SHOP MORE OFTEN. SO, BUT ON A CASE BY CASE, WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT USUALLY BLOWERS, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH, UM, WHERE THEY'RE NOT USED AS OFTEN. THERE'S NOT AS MANY MOVING PIECES. THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'VE TAKEN THOSE IN AS DONATIONS. BUT, UH, USUALLY NOT MOWERS OR WEED EATERS. BUT GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. YES, SIR. ONE IS A COMMENT ON THE CHAINSAW. DO YOU ALSO GIVE CHAIN BAR OIL? WE DO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. USUALLY WE'VE PREPPED IT AND WE DO SHOW THEM THE USAGE OF IT. AGAIN, WE DON'T LOAN THOSE OUT VERY OFTEN UNLESS WE'RE VERY SURE WHO'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE USING IT, BECAUSE WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE AN ADULT'S GONNA BE USING IT. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE FAMILIAR AND COMFORTABLE WITH THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE THINGS. 'CAUSE THEY CAN GET REALLY, THEY CAN GET DANGEROUS VERY QUICKLY AND THOSE CHANGE CAN POP REALLY QUICK AND THEY ALSO GET DULL VERY QUICKLY. ALSO, THE CHAIN BAR OIL HAS TO BE PUT IN MORE THAN JUST ONE TIME, AND THAT'S WHAT COULD BE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON. I KNOW WE HAVE THOSE LITTLE, THEY'RE LITTLE TWO OUNCE, FOUR OUNCE. WE, WE, WE DO KEEP THOSE HEAVILY IN STOCK AND, UM, WE DO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS PREPPED AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS, IS HOW DO THE PEOPLE GET THE INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN MY SIDE, DISTRICT THREE WHERE YOU'RE NOW EXPANDING OUT. WE DO HAVE, SO WE DO HAVE CURRENT LITTLE POSTCARDS THAT WE'RE SENDING OUT TO DEFINITELY WE'RE STAFF AND WE'RE DOING THOSE COMMUNITY MEETUPS. WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL BE REDOING AND PUSHING OUT SOME NEW CARDS TO SHOW THAT AVAILABILITY, TO ALSO EMPHASIZE THAT ELECTRICAL, WE JUST GOT, WE'VE GOTTEN THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT IN ABOUT A MONTH AGO. IT TOOK US A WHILE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ASSET TAGS ADDED AND A FEW OTHER THINGS ADDED TO IT, AS WELL AS THE LOCATION OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE STORING 'EM AT. SO THE LAST PIECE IS GONNA BE THE WEED EATERS THAT WE'RE GETTING IN. WE'RE PREPPING THOSE RIGHT NOW. AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE KIND OF THE FINAL PUSH TO KICK THAT ALL OFF. SO HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT MONTH WE'LL DEFINITELY BE KICKING THAT OFF AND PUSHING THAT OUT. I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW HOW YOU PUT THE FLYERS OUT FOR THE PICKUPS OF TRASH AND DEBRIS? MM-HMM. OR BRUSHING DEBRIS. CAN YOU POSSIBLY MAKE UP FLYER LIKE THAT AND DO THE SAME THING AND POST IT ALMOST TO DOOR TO DOOR? SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TRY TO COORDINATE. I KNOW SOLID WASTE DOES THOSE, THOSE FLYERS WE'LL SEE ABOUT EVEN MAYBE PUTTING OUT A LITTLE BLURB OR A TAG ON THERE. BUT I KNOW WE HAVE IT ON OUR NOTICES RIGHT NOW. WE DO HAVE IT AT THE BOTTOM OF THEIR NOTICES. IT'S A SMALLER PRINT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY KEEP ADDING THAT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. BUT THAT WOULD ONLY BE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE AN ISSUE PROPERTY. RIGHT. NECESSARY BUT TRUE. THE FIREWORKS PRETTY GOOD. VERY TRUE. VERY TRUE. WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, SIR. YEAH. LIKE, ESPECIALLY LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATED MEETING. MM-HMM. OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATED MEETINGS. YES. YES. WHEN CODE DOES COME OUT, THEY CAN, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE ALSO PROVIDE NOW YES. AND STUFF. AND WHERE WE DO HAVE THOSE CARDS, THEY'RE NOT DOOR TAGS, RIGHT. BUT THEY, WE HAVE A LITTLE POSTCARD SIZE IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND WE'LL, WE HAVE NOT ADDED THAT LITTLE BLURB ABOUT THE NEW EQUIPMENT. WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE ADDING THAT TO OUR NEXT PRINTOUT OF THOSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THIS IS THOMAS ONE. I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. AND TWO, FOR THE INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TRUCKS RIGHT TO, TO GET THIS STUFF, ARE Y'ALL GOING TO HAVE ANY KIND OF PROGRAM TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP TO HELP THOSE? FOR EXAMPLE, SAY THAT I SAY I HAVE SATURDAY MORNINGS WHERE I CAN HELP DROP OFF EQUIPMENT, RIGHT? ARE Y'ALL GONNA HAVE ANY KIND OF PROGRAM LIKE THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF US THAT ARE OUT THERE WITH TRUCKS THAT DRIVE AROUND THE CITY, AND IT'S PRETTY CONVENIENT FOR US TO DROP OFF EQUIPMENT AND PICK UP THINGS. WE HAVE NOT TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WORKED WITH STAFF. IF IT'S A, WE, WE'VE USUALLY OFFERED IT AS A ONE-TIME, HEY, WE'LL GO AND DO A DROP OFF ONE TIME. UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T DO IT ON THE REGULAR BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY PULLING OUR CURRENT STAFF AWAY. BUT THAT IS A NEW CONSIDERATION. I WILL DEFINITELY RUN BY LEGAL WHO ALWAYS MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT THE WORST CASE SCENARIOS TO MAKE SURE IF THEY CAN POTENTIALLY SIGN THAT OFF AS A PILOT PROGRAM. BUT WITH SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, I AM ALL FOR NEW IDEAS AND, AND PUSHING WHAT WE CAN PUSH TO DEFINITELY MAKE THIS MORE ACCESSIBLE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE AND, AND WORK WITH MY UPPER STAFF AND, AND OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THAT CAN, IF THAT CAN PUSH OUT. WHEN YOU DEFINE STAFF, ARE YOU STAFF LIKE AS CODE COMPLIANCE? YES. OR ARE YOU TALKING LIKE THIS IS A, THIS IS AN ADD IN? NO, SIR. THIS IS AN ADDED, UH, RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR CURRENT FIELD STAFF. SO OUR FIELD STAFF COME INTO THE, THEY, THEY KEEP, THEY HELP KEEP THE, THE EQUIPMENT ORGANIZED. THEY HELP KEEP THE, UH, EQUIPMENT WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE MEETING WITH THE CITIZENS. UH, WHEN THIS EQUIPMENT IS BEING LOANED OUT, WE HAVE ABOUT THREE STAFF MEMBERS WE'VE IDENTIFIED WHO HAVE TAKEN ON THIS ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. AND THEY ALSO TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KIND OF KEEPING AN EYE ON THE EQUIPMENT WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE TURNED INTO THE SHOP. THEY GO RUN IT OVER TO THE SHOP, TURNED IT IN. THIS IS NOT, THIS IS STRICTLY STANDALONE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND IT IS IDENTIFIED WITH STAFF. WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT ASSIGNED TO IT BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT CARE AND CONTROL OF THE EQUIPMENT. BUT WE DO HAVE ABOUT THREE, THREE STAFF MEMBERS WHO, WHO ARE CURRENTLY RUNNING THAT RESPONSIBILITY. AND IT'S AN ADDED RESPONSIBILITY IN ADDITION TO THEIR [02:50:01] INVESTIGATIONS THAT THEY'RE ALSO RUNNING. SO, COULD YOU, ONE MOMENT PLEASE, MS. MIRANDA, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, YES. IT, WHEN YOU SAID, UM, THAT YOU WOULD SHOW PE PEOPLE ARE SHOWN WHEN THEY PICK UP THE EQUIPMENT, HOW TO TAKE CARE OF IT. UH, WHAT ABOUT DEMONSTRATIONS ON HOW TO USE IT PROPERLY? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. IF, IF THAT'S NEEDED. UM, THAT'S THE FIRST THING. WHEN THEY'RE SIGNING THE RELEASE AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE RELEASE DONE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE THEY'RE TAKING THE EQUIPMENT, THEY UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY THE WEED EATERS. WHEN WE FIRST WERE RUNNING THROUGH SOME NEW EQUIPMENT, WE, WE KEPT HAVING 'EM COME BACK BROKEN. AND I WAS SEEING THAT REPORT, HEY, THESE ARE BROKEN. I'M LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT? WELL, THESE ARE BRAND NEW PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. IT WAS A SIMPLE $2 SPRING THAT WAS GETTING POPPED OFF AT THE BOTTOM. WE'RE DEFINITELY CARRYING THOSE IN STOCK BY THE HUNDREDS NOW. AND, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY MAKING IT KNOWN INTO THE CITIZENS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO POUND IT ON THE, ON THE GROUND TO, TO GET THAT, THAT LINE TO FEED. SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOTTA TAP IT A SIMPLE TAP AND IT'LL EXTEND THOSE THOSE LINES OUT. SO DEFINITELY IT'S A BRIEF, IT'S, IT'S A BRIEF THING. NUMBERS ARE LEFT WITH THE STAT, THE CITIZEN AS WELL, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY RUN THAT THROUGH THEM. AGAIN, THE THE ADDITIONAL PIECE IS ALWAYS GONNA BE THOSE, THE POLL SAWS, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING, YOU'RE ALSO USING THAT ON, EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL, WE, WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND. POLE SAWS ARE NOT FOR FOOT LONG OR FOOT WIDE PIECES OF LIMBS. THOSE ARE TYPICALLY YOUR TWO TO FOUR INCHES OF, UM, SIZE LIMBS, MINOR, YOU KNOW, MINOR TRIMMING, MINOR REPAIR OR MINOR, UH, CLEANUPS WITH THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT, UH, CHAINSAWS IS, IS DEFINITELY THE ONE WE'RE ALWAYS THE MOST CAUTIOUS ABOUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY FACTORS WITH THOSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET A LITTLE BIT BIGGER LIMB CUT, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY EVEN AN UNDERSTAND WHERE'S THAT LIMB GONNA FALL AT. ARE YOU SURE IT'S NOT GONNA FALL INTO YOUR HOUSE AND CAUSE AN ISSUE OR ANYBODY ELSE'S, UH, PROPERTY TO CAUSE DAMAGE? SO WE DO, WE DO RUN THROUGH THAT. YES, MA'AM. MR. ANDREWS BACK TO YOU? NO, I I I, I, I ASKED HER IN ABOUT THE CODE AND PARKS AND REC, IF THERE WAS A COMMUNICATION OR A COORDINATION, THERE'S COMMUNICATION, BUT OUR EQUIPMENT IS, IS STANDALONE PARKS AND REC DOES HAVE EQUIPMENT. UM, BUT THERE'S A STANDALONE AS WELL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. IT'S FUNNY THAT GEORGE, IN FACT, I WAS BRINGING UP THE SUBJECT OF THE LAST MEETING AND GEORGE POINTED OUT THAT WE HAD THESE KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON. SO IT'S GREAT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. UH, SINCE I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT. IDEALLY, HOPEFULLY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE AT LEAST LISTENED TO OUR BOARD MEETING AND LISTENED TO IT ITSELF. IT'S A MAJOR ISSUE. LANDSCAPING. YES. AND UM, YOU KNOW, I WONDER TOO IF, IF SOMETIMES EACH DISTRICT NEEDS THEIR OWN CREW ALMOST. THERE'S SO MUCH WORK OUT THERE. WHO'S DOING IT? WHO'S GETTING PAID TO DO IT? WHO'S TAKING CARE OF THE EQUIPMENT? IT'S A BIG DEPARTMENT . IT, IT'S, IT'S ONE WE'RE DEFINITELY PROUD OF. UM, WE'VE DEFINITELY BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THAT EQUIPMENT RUNNING. WE'VE DEFINITELY KEEP, UH, KEEPING IT BEING AVAILABLE FOR USE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY, UH, WITH WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, WE'RE ALWAYS KEEPING IT OUT THERE AND AVAILABLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT DOES, IT DOES SERVE A VERY BIG PROCESS. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S ONE YARD OR ONE ALLEY OR ONE LOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPACTFUL FOR A COMMUNITY. SO WE, WE ALWAYS WANNA, WE TAKE THAT ONE VERY SERIOUSLY AND WE'RE VERY PROUD TO HIGHLIGHT IT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. SO I JUMPED ON IT. SO I JUMPED ON IT. MR. NELSON, WHEN HE HAD BROUGHT IT UP, I WAS LIKE, I HAVE A PROGRAM I'D LOVE TO HIGHLIGHT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE WERE JUMPED ON IT AT VERY FEW SLIDES, BUT THERE'S THAT TALKING DISCUSSION CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON AND, AND WE'RE EXCITED FOR THE EXPANSION. IT'S A PILOT PROGRAM. WE'RE STARTING SMALL WITH AN AREA THAT WE ALREADY HAD AVAILABLE. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BUYING A SHED OR BUYING, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE JUST TO STORE THE PLACE. SO WITH THE SIZE OF THAT SHED THAT WE'RE USING, THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF IT'S ATTACHED TO A BUILDING ALREADY. WE DIDN'T WANNA WORRY ABOUT THE FUMES FROM GAS. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'VE ADDED, YOU KNOW, RAN WITH WHAT WE HAD AVAILABLE AND ARE USING THE ELECT, UH, ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT THERE. SO IT'S KIND OF A TWO FOR ONE OF, WE COULD GET IT THERE QUICKER. WE COULD USE THAT STORAGE SPACE QUICKER, UM, AND THEN NOT CAUSE A SECONDARY PROBLEM OF, YOU KNOW, SMELLS AND FUMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA TRACK THIS. ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT. IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT AND IT'S A BUS, WE'LL WE'LL KNOW IT VERY QUICKLY. OR IF IT DOES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY EXPAND THAT AS WELL. OR LIKE CONTRACTING A SMALL CREW. SORRY, IN EACH, UH, IN EACH DISTRICT I COULD SEE ALL KIND OF WORK NEEDING TO BE DONE. YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS. ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THAT, I AM GONNA KEEP MOVING ALONG HERE FOR OUR NEXT AGENDA. JUDY'S KEEPING ME ON TRACK. UM, THIS IS JUST A VERY, VERY QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR CURRENT FIELD STAFF. UH, THE VISION AND BREAKOUT, UM, JUST, UH, KEEPING IT VERY FAST AND VERY FLUID. YOU'LL [02:55:01] SEE SOME LITTLE RED LINES. THE RED LINES ARE OUR CURRENT VACANCIES. UH, WE'VE BEEN VERY WORKING VERY, VERY HARD TO KEEP THOSE VACANCIES FILLED. WE DO HAVE A CURRENT ACTIVE TRAINER ON STAFF WHO, UM, GETS THOSE FIRST ASSIGNMENTS WITH BRAND NEW HIRES AND THEN WE DO THAT BACK FILLING AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD QUITE A, A BUNCH OF, UM, QUITE A NUMBER OF NEW STAFF COMING THROUGH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED THAT, UH, THIS IS A VERY POPULAR POSITION TO BE IN. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY SHORTAGE OF, UH, OF PEOPLE LOOKING TO COME INTO THE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, AND WORK IN CODE ENFORCEMENT. IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT JOB AND IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF TO CON CONTINUE WORKING ON. UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE. I'M GONNA KEEP ON MOVING 'CAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY IN ANY NEW ASSIGNMENT OR ANYTHING NEW. UM, RIGHT HERE WE HAVE NEXT ITEM IS, ARE CURRENTLY OUT. JEN, JUST A MINUTE. YES, SIR. UH, THE STRANDIS DOES HAVE A QUESTION. ABSOLUTELY. CAN YOU REFRESH THE MEMORIES AND, AND, AND EXPLAIN, UH, TO THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? SURE. UH, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER ABOUT THE TRAINING OF THE CODE OFFICERS. OH, YES, YES. SO LOOKING AT THIS ORG CHART AND JUST A QUICK BREAKDOWN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, WHERE YOU'LL KIND OF SEE IT'S KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREENS, BUT, UH, LOWER LEFT HAND SIDE OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS, UH, SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT I OVERSEE, I OVERSEE SOME OF THE SPECIAL TEAMS. UH, THE VERY FAR RIGHT ONE BY ITSELF WITH NO CURRENT STAFF ASSIGNED IS OUR TRAINING, UM, TRAINING SUPERVISOR. WE HAVE A DEDICATED CODE, UM, TRAINING SUPERVISOR, AND THAT'S HER ONLY RESPONSIBILITY IS EITHER TO BE TRAINING NEW STAFF THAT HAVE COME IN, THEY RECEIVE A MINIMUM OF EIGHT WEEKS OF, OF DEDICATED TRAINING. WE RUN THEM THROUGH A WHOLE PROGRAM OF ONBOARDING OF CLASSROOM WORK, THEN WE PHASE THEM INTO WHAT WE CALL JOB SHADOWING. THEY'RE SHADOWING WITH STAFF IN THE FIELD. THEN ULTIMATELY THEY ALSO GO INTO WHAT WE CALL WITH OUR FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS, WHERE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO KIND OF START MIMICKING AND DEFINITELY TRACKING AND DOING DOCUMENTATION, UH, WITH THE STAFF IN THE FIELD. A LOT OF THAT IS DEFINITELY, UM, IN THE FIELD ON THE JOB TRAINING. UH, THAT OTJ, YOU CAN NEVER GET ENOUGH OF THAT OTJ AS MUCH AS WE CAN SIT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT THE, THE RULES, THE ORDINANCES AND HOW THEY'RE APPLICABLE UNTIL YOU'RE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD OR UNTIL YOU'RE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A YARD WITH JUNK VEHICLES OR INVESTIGATING JUNK VEHICLES OR INVESTIGATING, YOU KNOW, UM, DEBRIS THAT'S BEEN LEFT OUT. IT, IT, IT'S DEFINITELY, UM, VERY EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE, UNDERSTANDABLE, UH, BUT ALSO JUST GETTING THAT UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO APPROACH AN INSPECTION, HOW TO WORK WITH THE STAFF OR CITIZENS, HOW TO, UM, PROVIDE THOSE NOTICES AND INFORMATION. SO WE, WE GO THROUGH A MINIMUM OF EIGHT WEEKS OF THAT TYPE OF TRAINING. IT'S DEDICATED TRAINING. WE HAVE THEM SIGN OFF ON THAT. WE THEN GIVE THEM AS A HANDOFF TO THEIR, UH, ASSIGNED SUPERVISOR. YOU'LL SEE THOSE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT THEY MAY BE ASSIGNED AROUND TOWN. WE HAVE THEM, THEY, THEY LINE UP WITH THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF COUNCIL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE SUPERVISORS JUST BY THE, THE DEPTH OF THE, UM, OF THE, THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES PLUS THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS IN AREAS. UM, TRADITIONALLY SPEAKING, UM, THEY HAVE, UM, THEIR AREAS OF ASSIGNMENTS. SO ONCE AN, A NEW OFFICER IS ASSIGNED TO THAT SUPERVISOR, THERE'S ADDITIONAL TRAINING THAT CONTINUES. UM, WHEN OUR TRAINER OR DEDICATED TRAINER'S NOT TRAINING NEW HIRES, THEY'RE ALSO DOING WHAT WE CALL CONTINUING EDUCATION. WE DO A MINIMUM OF THREE IN-SERVICE CLASSES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHILE WE BRING OUR STAFF IN. AND WE DON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING NEW. WE TALK ABOUT THE SAME ORDINANCES TO MAKE SURE ARE WE FOLLOWING ALL OUR STEPS AND PROCESSES? ARE WE, ARE WE CLEAR ON SOME OF THOSE STEPS AND PROCESSES AND JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING ANY SHORTCUTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY WHEN WE WORK VERY HARD ON THAT BECAUSE IT, IT IS ALWAYS SUBJECT. UM, THERE'S SOME INTERPRETATIONS THAT COME THROUGH, BUT THE, BUT THE CODES, THE CITY CODES ARE VERY CLEAR ON THAT AND WE ALWAYS WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THOSE, THOSE CITY CODES TO THE LETTER. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, NEXT PIECE. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL JUMP OVER TO THE NEXT PIECE, WHICH WAS OUR LAYOUT FOR OUR, OUR PANELS OF THE BSB BOARD. UH, WE HAVE PANEL A AND WE HAVE PANEL B. I DON'T THINK ANY CHANGES ARE GONNA OCCUR. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES THAT'LL BE OCCURRING, JUDY? NO. NO. OKAY. YES, JUDY TO YOU CONFIRM AND, UH, REMINDING ME, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF VACANCIES CURRENTLY ON OUR, ON OUR PANELS. UM, TWO ON PANEL A, ONE ON PANEL B, UH, UH, PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE MEETING, UH, THAT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE FROM CITY COUNCIL. THEY WILL BE MEETING ON MONDAY TO GO OVER THOSE VACANCIES. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE, UH, OUR NEW MEMBERS JOINING US WITHIN OUR, OUR, OUR BOARD TO, TO HAVE A FULL BOARD. WE'RE ALWAYS EXCITED WHEN WE HAVE NO VACANCIES. WE WANNA GET RID OF THOSE RED LINES FOR SURE. UM, [03:00:01] SO WE'RE EXCITED TO, UH, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE HA THAT HAVE APPLIED TO COVER ALL THOSE VACANCIES. SO WE'RE HOPING, UM, TO GET THAT REVIEWED, UH, AT PCDC ON MONDAY THE 20TH, MAY 20TH. AND THEN THAT'LL GET MOVED ON, I BELIEVE FOR FINAL SELECTION THROUGH CITY COUNCIL. SO I DON'T KNOW THE DATE ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT THAT WILL BE, UM, THERE HOPEFULLY SHORTLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS IF THERE'S ANY. NO QUESTIONS ON THAT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CHART? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. OKAY. LAST ITEM I BELIEVE I HAVE FOR COVERAGE IS OUR ATTENDANCE. AND THIS IS ONE, UH, AGAIN, UH, VERY EXCITED, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK THAT EVERY ONE OF Y'ALL DO HERE. UM, WE KNOW THIS IS NOT YOUR FULL-TIME JOB. WE KNOW THAT IT TAKES SOME COORDINATING AND EFFORT, UH, TO COMMIT TO COME TO THESE BOARD HEARINGS. WE'RE EXCITED. WE ARE THANKFUL AND VERY APPRECIATIVE. UM, WHEN WE DON'T HAVE TO COUNT, MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS HOPING WE DON'T MESS UP ON OUR NOTIFICATION PROCESSES ON OUR END FOR OUR ADMIN STAFF. AND THEN THE NEXT STEP IS ALWAYS THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM. AND WE'VE BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT HAVING QUORUMS. I CAN'T REMEMBER IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, EVEN THROUGH COVID THAT WE HAD TO DO ANY CANCELLATIONS. AND THAT, THAT'S A BIG, BIG SAYING AND A BIG, BIG PUSH. AND HOW THAT HAPPENS IS BY THE ATTENDANCE. UM, WE'VE, JUDY'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF KEEPING TRACK ON THAT. UH, THE ONLY TIME WE GET CONCERNED OR MAY THROW AN ASTERISK, AN ASTERISK UP IS IF ANYBODY DIPS BELOW THE 50%. DON'T HAVE ANYBODY BELOW 50% RIGHT NOW. SO WE HAVE NO CONCERNS OR, OR NO, UH, NO WORRIES ON THAT. SO WE JUST, WE THANK EVERYBODY AGAIN FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO THIS BOARD BECAUSE IT IS VERY SERIOUS WHEN WE DO THE INVITES, WHEN WE SEND OUT THE NOTIFICATIONS AND THE AGENDAS, IT'S ALWAYS DEFINITELY WORKING BACKWARDS. BUT IF ANY OF THOSE STEPS GO WRONG, UH, WE HAVE TO DO A COMPLETE RESET. IT'S NOT A NEXT WEEK OR A NEXT DAY FOR A RESET. IT HAS TO START KIND OF ALL OVER AGAIN. SO WHEN WE HAVE THAT QUORUM THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH, THAT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL TO, UH, GET A FINAL ANSWER FOR STAFF, GET A FINAL ANSWER FOR CITIZENS AND, AND KEEP THESE CASES MOVING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. JUST A REAL QUICK COMMENT ON MR. ANDREW SHOWING AT 86%, WE DO NOT SHOW HOW FREQUENTLY HE ACTS TO ATTENDS PANEL A. YES. UH, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I MAKE THAT COMMENT IS BECAUSE HE AND I BOTH WIND UP ATTENDING BOTH A AND B PANELS, AS DOES ALMOST ANY MEMBER OF THE PANEL. SO EVEN THOUGH IT SHOWS 86%, HE IS IN INDEED IN EXCESS OF 100%. UH, AND THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR REPORTING BECAUSE IT'S UH, EASIER TO REPORT THAT WAY. BUT I DO WANNA RECOGNIZE NOT ONLY, UH, MR. ANDIS, BUT ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WHO ACTUALLY COME IN ALMOST, UH, AT A CALL. AND IN FACT, I'VE RECEIVED A CALL THANKS TO JUDY ONE DAY AND SAID, CAN YOU BE HERE? I SAID, SURE. NINE 30 . YES, WE'VE HAD THOSE ISSUES COME UP, UNFORTUNATELY. AND, AND AGAIN, YES, MR. NELSON. THANK YOU. WHAT I DID TALK TO JUDY ABOUT, I THINK WE MAY ADD JUST LIKE A LITTLE ASTERISK AT THE BOTTOM HERE AND WE CAN PUT A LITTLE NOTATION WHEN BOARD MEMBERS ARE ATTENDING FOR THE, FOR BOTH PANELS. WE CAN DEFINITELY NOTATE, MAYBE NOT IT, IT WON'T ADD TO THE PERCENTAGES, BUT AT LEAST CAN NOTATE AND GIVE THE CREDIT. WE'RE DEFINITELY CREDIT IS DUE AND APPRECIATE IT ON OUR BEHALF THAT, UH, YOU ARE, I ACTUALLY GOTTEN OVER THE ISSUE. WE'RE NOT HERE THE TIME . ALRIGHT. I JUST WANNA MAKE A POINT THAT WE DIDN'T RECOGNIZE A NEW MEMBER. WELL, UH, ACTUALLY SHE WAS PART OF THE PANEL. A, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW, DORA, WILL YOU RECOGNIZE IN IN YOUR FIRST MEETING? MM-HMM. . YES. WELL THEN, THEN LET, LET'S GO AHEAD AND RECOGNIZE YOU FROM THE FULL BOARD AND SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING ABLE TO JOIN US FOR THE FULL BOARD. DORA IS IS NEW TO THE PANEL AND WE'RE REALLY GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR AGREEING TO BE PART OF THIS GROUP. . YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YES SIR. ABSOLUTELY. WHEN WE GET THE BOARD MEMBERS, WHEN WE GET THE PANELS GOING, IT IS, UH, THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING WE KNOW WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, BUT THE COORDINATING EFFORTS AND THE, UH, ACCOUNTABILITY OF, OF, OF THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT EACH BOARD MEMBER TAKES IS, IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. SO THANK YOU. UM, THAT DOES CONCLUDE MY REPORTS AND UPDATES. IF, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL KEEP THIS GOING. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. THE LADY WHO IS RISING FROM THE BACK OF THE ROOM, , AND I'LL ALSO BE PRESENTING THE ACTIVITY REPORT, THE STRANGER AS THE STRANGER . NO, SHE ACTUALLY, NOT A STRANGER. WE SEE HER EVERY FULL PANEL, BUT SHE'S NORMALLY IN THE UNIFORM. OH, THAT'S TRUE. OH, NO SIR. I HAVE NOT WORN A UNIFORM FOR MANY YEARS ALREADY. . OH MAN. ALL RIGHT. UH, BOARD MEMBERS. GOOD AFTERNOON FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS ALICE GUDO, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. I WILL BE PRESENTING THE INFORMATION FOR ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING OFFICER AND COMPLIANCE ASSISTANCE FUND, UH, CASE AND FINE SUMMARIES FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS ISSUED VIOLATIONS, FINES DUE ARE $706,082 VIOLATION. COST [03:05:01] DUE FOR A HO IS GOING TO BE $47,560 FOR A TOTAL OF $753. SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN HUNDRED FIFTY $3,640. SORRY. FINE AMOUNTS PAID IS $78,107. OUTSTANDING FINES IS GOING TO BE $675,535 FOR A TOTAL OF $753,642. COMPLIANCE FUND ASSISTANCE IS GOING TO BE FOR STARTING YEAR 2023. THE BALANCE WAS $15,390. PAID OUT TO DATE IS $747 AND 50 CENTS WITH A REMAINING BALANCE OF $14,642. OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION. NO QUESTIONS. CONTINUE, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. BSB ORDERS AND ACTIONS FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2023 THROUGH APRIL 30TH, 2024. DANGEROUS STRUCTURES, CASES HEARD BEFORE THE BOARD, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY REPAIR ORDERS WITH PENALTY REPAIR ORDER WITHOUT PENALTY. PANEL A HAD TWO. PANEL B HAD TWO FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR, REMEDY WITH PENALTY, ZERO REMEDY WITHOUT PENALTY, ZERO. DEMOLITION ORDER WITH PENALTY, ZERO. DEMOLITION ORDER WITHOUT PENALTY, ZERO. NO LONGER A PUBLIC NUISANCE. ZERO 30 DAY DEMO WITH PENALTY. ZERO 30 DAY DEMO WITHOUT PENALTY. PANEL A HAD 17, PANEL B HAD 16 FOR A TOTAL OF 33. 60 DAY DEMO WITH PENALTY. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY 60 DAY DEMO WITHOUT PENALTY. ZERO 90, DEMO WITH PENALTY. ZERO 90 DAY DEMO WITHOUT PENALTY. ZERO 120 DAY DEMO WITH PENALTY. ZERO 120 DAY DEMO WITHOUT PENALTY. ZERO PULLED FROM THE AGENDA. PANEL B HAD A TOTAL OF THREE. TOTAL NUMBER OF DANGEROUS STRUCTURES, CASES HEARD ARE 40 SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CA MAINTENANCE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE CASES, UM, FOR REPAIR ORDER WITH PENALTY. PANEL B HAD A TOTAL OF 10. REPAIR ORDER WITHOUT PENALTY. PANEL A HAD FIVE. PANEL B HAD SEVEN FOR A TOTAL OF 12 FOR A TOTAL NUMBER OF SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES, THERE WAS 22. QUESTION ON THOSE. YES, SIR. ARE THOSE UP THIS YEAR OR ARE THEY DOWN ON BOTH, UH, PARTS. THE 22 AND THE 40, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, MR. ANES, BUT WE CAN GATHER THAT FOR YOU. OKAY. BECAUSE IF WE'RE HITTING A HIGHER NUMBER ON CASES YES, SIR. AND THEY'RE DOWN LOWER THAN WHAT THEY'VE NORMALLY BEEN FOR US. AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING DOWN AND EVERYBODY'S COMPLYING. YES, SIR. COMPLYING. SO IF SOMEBODY COULD GATHER THAT AND LET US KNOW IF THAT'S AN AVERAGE OR IF IT'S UP OR DOWN FROM THE SCALE. YES, SIR. WILL DO. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. SUMMARY ABATEMENT PILLS. UH, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS. EMERGENCY DEMOLITION READ INTO RECORD. UH, BOARD HAD ONE. PANEL A HAD 10. PANEL B HAD 15 FOR A TOTAL OF 26. HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENTS READ INTO READ BOARD HAD ONE. PANEL A HAD THREE. PANEL B HAD TWO FOR A TOTAL OF SIX RESET ORDERS. UH, PANEL B HAD ONE AND TOTAL NUMBER OF ORDERS AND ACTIONS IS GOING TO BE 95 FOR A FISCAL YEAR. UH, 2024 THROUGH APRIL 30TH, PANEL A HAD A TOTAL OF FIVE MEETINGS. PANEL B HAD A TOTAL OF SIX MEETINGS, FULL BOARD, ONE MEETING FOR A TOTAL OF 12 MEETINGS. ANY QUESTIONS? AND THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, NUMBER OF B IS B CASES BY COUNCIL DISTRICT FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2023 THROUGH APRIL 30TH, 2024. CANCELED DISTRICT ONE HAD TOTAL OF THREE DANGEROUS PREMISES, 21 IN SAN ANTONIO, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE THREE, EMERGENCY THREE HELD HARMLESS FOR A TOTAL OF 30, 32%. OF THOSE, WHICH ADDED UP TO 32% OF THE CASES 97, 90 7% IS PROACTIVE AND 3% WERE REACTIVE COUNSEL. DISTRICT TWO 10 DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES, UH, FIVE EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS ONE HOLD HARMLESS FOR A TOTAL OF 16 CASES, 17% OF THE CASELOAD, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THOSE CASES WERE, UH, PROACTIVE CASES. COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE, WE HAD FIVE DANGER, FIVE DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD. ONE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION FOR A TOTAL OF SIX CASES, 6% OF OF THE CASE LOAD, A HUNDRED PERCENT PROACTIVE COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR FOUR DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES. ONE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION [03:10:01] FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE 6% OF THE CASELOAD. A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT WAS PROACTIVE COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE 11 DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD. NINE. EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS TWO HOLD HARMLESSNESS FOR A TOTAL OF 22, 20 3% OF THE CASELOAD. A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT WAS PROACTIVE. COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX HAD THREE DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES. THREE EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS FOR A TOTAL OF SIX CASES, 6% OF THE CASELOAD, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT WAS PROACTIVE CASES. COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN HAD THREE DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES. THREE, EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS SIX TOTAL 6% OF THE CASELOAD, A HUNDRED PERCENT PROACTIVE COUNCIL, DISTRICT EIGHT HAD ONE CASE OF DANGERS PREMISES FOR A TOTAL OF ONE 1% OF THE CASELOAD, A HUNDRED PERCENT PROACTIVE COUNCIL. DISTRICT NINE HAD ONE. SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. ONE TOTAL CASE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD, 1% OF THE CASELOAD AND A HUNDRED PERCENT REACTIVE COUNCIL. DISTRICT 10 HAD ONE DANGEROUS PREMISES CASE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD. ONE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION FOR A TOTAL OF TWO, 2% OF THE CASELOAD AND A HUNDRED PERCENT PROACTIVE CASES. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. AND ONE MORE. ARE ALL OF THESE, AND I GUESS IT WOULD BE TO ANY STAFF THAT COULD ANSWER, ARE THEY PLATEAUED IN MOST DISTRICTS? ARE THEY UP IN DISTRICTS LIKE DISTRICT FIVE IS KIND OF EVERY TIME WE SEE DISTRICT FIVE, IT SEEMS TO BE A HIGH NUMBER BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE DISTRICT. ARE WE AT A PLATEAU IN GETTING THE WORD OUT? THAT STUFF NEEDS TO BE DONE IN COMMUNITIES AND OR ARE WE SEEING A RISE OR, OR DECREASE? AGAIN, MR. ANN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GATHER THE INFORMATION TO COMPARE FROM THE LAST BOARD AND WE'D BE GLAD TO GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU? WELL, THAT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW FROM PREVIOUS BOARD MEETINGS UP TO WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE THING. IF WE'RE ADDRESS ALICE. UH, WELL, AS TO ANY STAFF TO TO, YES, SIR. WE DO YOU SEE THAT AS A, AS A COUPLE OF YEARS? MAYBE GO BACK FOR A CENSUS MAYBE AND FIGURE OUT SURE. WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, SIR. BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE. THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT TOO, IF THEY'RE ON A PLATEAU GOING DOWN OR UP OR IF IT'S STAYING THE SAME. OF COURSE. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, MAKE SURE AND SEND THOSE TO THE PCDC ONCE WE FIND THEM SO THEY CAN SEE THAT WE'RE NOT DEMOING EVERYTHING. VERY GOOD PLATEAU. OKAY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSION ON GUIDELINES, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. UH, EACH OF US, UH, ACTUALLY JUDY, YOU DID SEND THOSE TO EVERYONE, DIDN'T YOU? UH, I THOUGHT WHEN, SINCE I GOT IT, YOU MUST GET IT TO EVERYONE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF POINTS ON IT, UH, THAT I HAD A QUESTION THAT, UH, COULD BE DISCUSSED. ONE OF THOSE WAS DEALING WITH BASICALLY, UH, HISTORICAL, UH, ITEMS. IT'S PARAGRAPH P IF YOU HAPPEN TO BRING IT WITH YOU. UH, IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THERE MUST BE SOMEONE FROM A HISTORIC, UH, DESIGNATED PROPERTIES REQUIRING A HEARING BEFORE THE FULL BOARD. AT LEAST ONE OF THESE DESIGNATED PROFESSIONALS WITH ADAPTIVE RE REUSE EXPERIENCES SHALL BE PRESENT HERE. THE CASE, UH, AND WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE, UH, THAT SOMEONE WAS NOT PRESENT. BUT I WAS WONDERING IF WE SHOULD NOT AT LEAST SAY THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE A, AS A MINIMUM, A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND OR AN ENGINEER AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT. UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT QUESTION? I WAS, AND, BUT I DID MENTION IT, MIKE, UH, THAT IT WAS UNDER, UNDER MY, UH, UNDER MY NAME AT, AT ONE POINT. BUT LIKE YOU SAID, WE, WE NEVER HAD, UH, A CASE THAT THAT REQUIRED, UH, UH, MY DISCUSSION OR MY OPINION. SO, AND THEN WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM THE HISTORICAL, SO I ASSUMED THAT EVERYTHING WAS JUST GOING TO THEM. BUT YOU BRING UP A POINT. SHOULD WE, BECAUSE IT WAS ON THERE BEFORE. I DON'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT LATELY. YEAH. IT MAY MAY BE A, AN ISSUE BEING TOTALLY MO SIMPLY BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD THE EXPERIENCE. BUT DO, DO WE WANT TO COVER THAT AS A POTENTIAL ISSUE? UH, AND AND FORTUNATELY, UH, FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD LITERALLY SEVEN PANEL MEMBERS OUT OF 14, IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE. UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE OR CLOSE TO AN ISSUE, UH, WITH THE PRESENT YEARS. UH, SO THE, THE ISSUE MAY BE MOOT. WELL, IT'S NOT MOOT BECAUSE IT MAY COME BEFORE US, SO WE SHOULD PUT IT NOW. WHEN YOU SAY CONTRACTOR, OR ARE YOU TALKING BOARD OR AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR OR NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THE BOARD BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, UH, SINCE THE, THE CITY COUNCIL REQUIRES A CONTRACTOR AS ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS, UH, THEN THAT CONTRACTOR, THE REASON WHY I SAID CONTRACTOR VERSUS ENGINEER, UH, WHILE I'M AN ENGINEER, I DON'T DEAL WITH HISTORICAL CASES. HOWEVER, CONTRACTORS [03:15:01] LIKE YOURSELF GENERALLY DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, HISTORIC BUILDINGS. AND I BELIEVE THAT ON THIS BOARD WE HAVE THE FORTUNE OF A CONTRACTOR ENGINEER AND AN ARCHITECT. SO I THINK THAT WOULD COVER, MAY BE LEGAL, MAY HAVE AN OPINION OF IT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD COVER THAT PART. UH, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BECAUSE IT SAYS, UH, WITH ADAPTIVE REUSE EXPERIENCE, AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY EVERY SINGLE CONTRACTOR OR EVERY SINGLE, UM, INDIVIDUAL. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF HISTORIC DESIGN IT IS, IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT PERSON. UH, VERY POINT. SO ACTUALLY THE, THE, THE ONLY REASON WHY IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE IS BECAUSE WE GENERALLY MEET TWICE A YEAR AS A FULL PANEL. AND THAT COULD DELAY A STRUCTURE FOR SIX MONTHS AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING ELSE. BUT I, I THINK LIKE, LIKE EVERYONE IS SAYING THAT WE HAVE IT PRETTY WELL COVERED WITH THE PRESENT BOARD STAFFING, UH, THAT WE'VE GOT. UH, AND I SAY I, I DON'T HAVE ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE. UH, MY SON JUST BOUGHT A HISTORIC HOME AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M GETTING BRAND NEW ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE THAT I DID NOT WANT TO HAVE . SO SOMETIMES YOU GET THINGS COME TO YOU THAT ARE THERE, UH, AND WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT'S GOING ON, THEN I WILL TAP THAT RECOMMENDATION OR THAT COMMENT. UH, THE OTHER ONE THAT HAD A, AN ISSUE. OH, MR. CHAIR. YES, MA'AM. LET ME JUST INTERJECT, UH, VERY QUICKLY. P IS, UH, THE LANGUAGE IS TAKEN STRAIGHT OUT OF CHAPTER SIX AND THE UDC. AND SO IT, IT DOES NEED TO STAY THE WAY IT IS, UH, UNLESS WE CHANGE WE'RE, WE WILL DISQUALIFY IT. . OKAY. THANK YOU. . SO DISQUALIFY THAT ISSUE. THE OTHER ONE, AND IT MAY BE A PARAGRAPH, UH, G COUNCIL WHERE IT DEALS WITH THE QUORUM, UH, UH, FOR, ACTUALLY I'VE SAID IT DISREGARD THAT ONE N IS THE PARAGRAPH THAT I WAS GONNA BRING UP. A DANGEROUS, UH, STRUCTURE MAY NOT BE RESET MORE THAN THREE TIMES FOR A MAXIMUM OF FOUR HEARINGS. AND THE QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE TO GO TO THREE TIMES? IT, IT SEEMS TO BE EXTREME TO GO THREE TIMES AS OPPOSED TO JUST TWO TIMES OF RESET. IT IS THIS BOARD, UH, DECIDED, UH, I, I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN ABOUT 10 YEARS, 10 YEARS AGO THAT THREE WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM, UH, RESETS. UH, NO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RESET A PROPERTY THREE TIMES. I WOULD PREFER Y'ALL NOT DO THAT. BUT, UH, THREE WAS WHAT THE BOARD CAME UP WITH 10 YEARS AGO. SO THE BOARD, THIS CURRENT BOARD CAN CHOOSE TO LOWER THAT OR KEEP IT AS IS, BUT IT'S NOT MANDATORY. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS ABOUT TWO YEARS? I MEAN TWO RESETS OR THREE RESETS. I, SINCE THERE'S NO COMMENT, THEN WE WILL TABLE THAT DISCUSSION ALSO. THEN I'LL OPEN UP THE PANEL TO THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE PANEL MAY HAVE. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, SECTION FOUR WHERE IT SAYS PANELS, IT SHOULD BE PAGE THREE, PAGE TWO, I'M SORRY, IN THE WORDING. AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH WORDING BEFORE ON CERTAIN DOCUMENTS. UH, SECTION C WHERE IT HAS THE, UH, THE BOARD CHAIRMAN SHALL BE THE CHAIR OF ANY PANEL TO WHICH HE IS ASSIGNED. I THINK THAT HE IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AS IT'S BEEN IN OTHER DOCUMENTS. SHE GRABBED HER MIC. YOU'RE ABOUT TO GO DOWN. SO, SO, UM, CAN THAT BE CHANGED TO REFER TO SHE OR HE? THEY, THEY, THEY SOMETHING IN THE REFER THAT IT WOULD'VE NOT, BECAUSE WE, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE ON CERTAIN OTHER DOCUMENTS. UH, IT, IT CAN BE CHANGED TO THEY, WHICH IS FINE, BUT, UH, HE IS USED IN THE PARLANCE OF LEGAL DRAFTING TO INDICATE HE OR SHE OR THEY. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE SOMEBODY MAY END UP THROWING THAT UP AS A, I'D RATHER BEAT 'EM TO IT. YEAH, THIS IS, JOEL JUST HAD ONE EDITORIAL COMMENT ON THAT AND JUDY, I, WE TALKED ABOUT IT. IT'S SECTION CLAUSE TWO A, JUST THE A-S-S-A-M-P-C SHOULD BE S-A-P-M-C. THAT WAS IT, JUDGE. YOU CAN SEE. OKAY. WE'VE GOT NODDING HEADS. SO TAKEN CARE OF. YEAH. ANY OTHER ISSUES? IF NONE, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING. NOT, NOT, MIGHT BE INTERESTING. IT WAS JUST INTERESTING TO ME. UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY YOU GET TO, TO HEAR THIS, I WAS LISTENING TO A NEWS REPORT THIS MORNING, UH, WHERE [03:20:01] A BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED, UH, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT TAKING SO LONG FOR THE BUILDING TO BE DEMOLISHED. OH, COOL. . AND I THOUGHT, PUBLIC SERVICE, THIS IS WHAT PUBLIC SERVICE IS ABOUT. YOU DON'T GET EVERYONE TO AGREE. AND IN A DISCUSSION I'D HAD WITH OTHERS, UH, NOT BUILDING STANDARD BOARD, OTHERS COUNCIL, JUST AMONG FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE DO AS A BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. AND THEY CAME UP WITH THE QUESTIONS ABOUT DEMOLITIONS. AND I SAID, WE DON'T DEAL WITH DEMOLITIONS. WE DEAL WITH STRUCTURES, WE DEAL WITH BUILDINGS. SO I, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT MAKING DECISIONS. AND IN REALITY, IT'S HOW DOES THIS INDIVIDUAL MAKE DECISIONS? BUILDINGS ON THE AGENDA ARE DANGEROUS TO NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL LIVING IN BUILDINGS FOR POTENTIALLY A DANGER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EACH CASE INCLUDES INFORMATION ON THE ADJACENCIES TO SCHOOL, TO A BUILDING CON CONSIDERED, OR A BUILDING COULD BE A DANGER TO A CHILD WHO HAS THE PROPENSITY TO EXPLORE. EACH BUILDING HAS AN IN-DEPTH INSPECTION BY A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. AND THEY REPORT RE UH, REVIEWED BY HIS OR HER SUPERVISOR. AND BEFORE THE BUILDING BECOMES, BEFORE THE MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE STAFF HAVE REVIEWED THE CASE. THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE STAFF COLLECTIVELY PRESENT THE BUILDING TO THE BOARD. THE PRESENTATION COMES TO RECOMMENDATION TO REPAIR OR DEMOLISH. THE BOARD MAKES THE FINAL DETERMINATION WITHOUT ANY INFLUENCE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT STAFF. A PROPERTY OWNER IS GIVEN ADVANCED NOTICE OF BSB HEARING. THEY'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE BOARD. THEY'RE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WITNESSES. THE BOARD IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO QUESTION THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH AND WITNESSES THE BOARD COLLECTIVELY MAKES THE DECISION TO REPAIR OR DEMOLISH SOME. SOMEONE ARE SENT. SHOULD SOMEONE DO RESEARCH ON THE DECISIONS OF THE BOARD? OVER 90% OF THE DECISIONS OF THIS BOARD ARE UNANIMOUS. THE BOARD DOES NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF. WE VOTED TO REPAIR A RECOMMENDATION TO DEMOLISH. WE VOTED TO DEMOLISH ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO REPAIR. THE BOARD IS INDEPENDENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF AND ATTEMPTS TO SERVE BEST. THE COMMUNITY MEMBERSHIP IN THE BOARD BY DESIGNED BY THE COUNCIL IS DIVERSE. MEMBERSHIP IS DESIGNED BY THE COUNCIL TO REPRESENT THE DISTRICTS AS WELL AS HEAVYWEIGHT OF AN AT LARGE MEMBER OR MEMBERS. HOW DO I LOOK AT A CASE FROM AN ENGINEERING POINT OF VIEW, IT'S A HOME TO SOMEONE. IT'S A TAX INCOME FOR THE CITY, FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, FOR THE COUNTY, FOR HOSPITAL DISTRICTS, ET CETERA. WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF FOUNDATION WALLS, ROOF, WHICH ARE ALL THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF A STRUCTURE? WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE FLOOR? CAN SOMEONE POTENTIALLY FALL THROUGH THE FLOOR? WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE INTERIOR WALLS, CEILING, ELECTRICAL? CAN SOMEONE BE ELECTROCUTED? PLUMBING? DOES SOMEONE HAVE NECESSARY SERVICES? WHAT'S THE PROBABILITY THAT THE HOUSE COULD CAUSE HEALTH ISSUES, BLACK MOLD, PERSONAL INJURY, OR EVEN DEATH? HOW ARE NEIGHBORS IMPACTED BY THE STRUCTURE? CAN IT BE REPAIRED FINANCIALLY? CAN IT BE REPAIRED TO BE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY? IF NOT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OCCUPANT? IN EVERY CASE, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE STAFF HAD MADE ATTEMPTS TO SECURE OTHER HOUSING. THE BOARD COLLECTIVELY MAKE, GETS TO MAKE A HARD DECISION. THE BOARD GETS TO COLLECTIVELY MAKE A HARD DECISION. IT'S NOT TAKEN LIGHTLY BY THIS MEMBER, AND I'M PRETTY SURE BY ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THIS BOARD. MM-HMM, . I TAKE PRIDE IN PROVIDING SERVICE TO MY COMMUNITY. I AM GLAD TO BE A MEMBER OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. IT IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ISSUE THAT, LIKE TODAY'S NEWS REPORT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS UNHAPPY THAT IT TOOK SO LONG, AND YET THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS UNHAPPY THAT WE DEMOLISHED SO MANY BUILDINGS. ANY COMMENT FROM THE BOARD WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE STAND ADJOURNED. IT MAKES ME REALLY CRY ON CRY. I NEED A. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.