Jun 05, 2024 Historic and Design Review Commission

ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

THE EXHORT HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

I AM JAYMAR GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR OF JEFFREY FETZER.

IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.

AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.

IN CONSIDERATION WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.

IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE OF A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED UPON.

YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.

CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.

SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.

PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.

CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONS WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.

AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAVE BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

UM, WE HAVE A VERY SHORTAGE AGENDA TODAY, UM, ESPECIALLY AFTER THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS.

I'M ABOUT TO MAKE.

ITEM SEVEN, ITEM NINE AND ITEM 10, UM, HAVE ALL BEEN, ACTUALLY ITEM NINE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD.

AND THEN ITEM SEVEN AND 10 HAVE BOTH BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO THE NEXT HEARING AND WILL ALSO NOT BE HEARD TODAY.

UM, THIS IS NORMALLY WHEN WE WOULD, UH, REVIEW PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT.

UM, WE HAVE NONE, UM, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, REVIEW THOSE SHORTLY.

UM, BUT FIRST WE NEED

[Approval of Minutes]

I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

SECOND.

THIS BEEN MOVED.

I PROPERLY SECOND.

I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, COMMISSIONER GUEVARA HAS JOINED US VIRTUALLY.

UM, AND AT THIS POINT, IF ANY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO PULL

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]

ITEMS FROM CONSENT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, YOU CAN MAKE THAT, UM, NOTE TO THE CHAIR.

MR. CHAIR.

I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER THREE.

NUMBER THREE.

ROSEWOOD, 4 21 NORTH MEDINA AND FOUR 50 FUR, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED, YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

THE ITEMS NEED TO BE PULLED.

UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 1, 2, 4, 5, AND SIX WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

I'LL SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.

IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2100 BROADWAY 2 26 NORTH BURY TWO 10 WEST

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IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

UH, AND I'LL PUT, UH, ITEM NUMBER 3 12 31 SOUTH ALAMO ON THE SCREEN NOW.

AND IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE.

YES.

COOL.

YOU MAY LET HIM PRESENT YOUR CASE.

PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

UH, MY NAME'S MIKE MAURICIO.

I'M WITH 1231 SOUTH ALAMO.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW.

UM, COMMISSIONER PULLED IS FOR QUESTIONS, SO FOR SURE.

YEAH, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SOME THE STAFF.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT WE SAW A FEW MONTHS AGO WHERE YOU WERE GONNA DO A CURB CUT OR YOU WERE GONNA DO A DRIVEWAY ON IT.

AND IT GOT DENIED.

AND IT GOT DENIED AND WE'RE GONNA SPLIT IT.

GOT IT.

AND THEN THIS IS FOR STAFF.

SO I SEE THERE'S SOME SCOPE OF WORK BEING, UH, ON THIS APPLICATION HERE, BUT IT'S ONLY FOR THE TAX.

SO ARE WE APPROVING THE SCOPE OF WORK? ADDITIONALLY, IN ADDITION TO THE TAX CERTIFICATION, THERE IS THAT ALL SCOPES OF WORK REQUIRE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.

UM, SO FAR THE WORK INCLUDED IN THE APPLICANT'S PACKAGE HAS RECEIVED COAS.

THIS IS JUST THE PART ONE OF THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE APPLICATION PROCESS.

AND ONCE THE WORK IS COMPLETE, THEN THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE PART TWO HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION APPLICATION TO STAFF.

UM, STAFF CONDUCTS A SITE VISIT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL WORK THAT WAS COMPLETED, UH, HAS ALL PERMITS AND COAS AS REQUIRED AND THAT THERE ARE NO COMPLIANCE ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN IT WILL RETURN TO HDRC FOR APPROVAL OF HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE.

SO THEN IN, IN, IN A SENSE, WE'RE GONNA APPROVE A SCOPE OF WORK ON THIS APPLICATION TODAY IF, IF IT GOES THROUGH, SO THIS IS JUST APPROVAL FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION.

THE CERTIFY IS THAT THE SCOPE OF WORK SUBMITTED IS QUALIFIED FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE SHOULD IT BE COMPLETED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE SCOPES ARE JUST THERE FOR REFERENCE.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I ASKED THE QUESTION.

IT WAS OUT THERE.

SO THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO.

MR. CHAIR, I RECOMMEND APPROVAL STIPULATIONS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.

[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]

ITEM MADE ON THE HTRC AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 97 2 0 3 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE THE APPLICANT REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A 26 BY 26 FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

AND TWO, INSTALL A SECOND DRIVEWAY WITH CURB CUT ON THE HOWARD SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, CONSTRUCTION OF A 26 BY 26 EDITION TO THE DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

EXCUSE ME, BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.

ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS ACCURATE INTO SCALE ME DIMENSION CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS INCLUDING A SITE PLAN AND ROOF PLAN FOR FINAL REVIEW.

TWO, THAT THE STRUCTURES CLA A HARDY BOARD RATHER THAN THE VINYL THAT SHOULD SAY WOOD OR HARDY BOARD RATHER THAN VINYL SIDING.

PROPOSED SITING SHOULD BE INSTALLED SMOOTH SIDE OUT WITH NO MORE THAN A SIX INCH REVEAL OR WITH THE REVEAL TO MATCH THAT OF THE EXISTING SIDING ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

THREE.

THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS FOR A WOOD OR WOOD LOOK GARAGE DOOR STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, INSTALLATION OF A SECOND DRIVEWAY WITH CURB CUT ON THE HOWARD STREET SIDE OF THE PROPERTY BASED ON FINDING C.

IF THEY SHARE C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE ITEM TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE DRIVEWAY DOES NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH AND THAT THE DRIVEWAY APRON DOES NOT EXCEED 12 FEET IN WIDTH BASED ON FINDING B.

UM, JUST AS A QUICK BIT OF CONTEXT, UM, THIS PROPERTY, UH, HAS A DRIVEWAY ALONG THE, UM, WEST SIDE OF THE LOT, UM, THAT LEADS KIND OF DIRECTLY INTO AN IN-GROUND SWIMMING POOL THAT HAD BEEN INSTALLED, UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF WHAT USED TO BE A GARAGE THAT THEY DROVE INTO.

SO HISTORICALLY THEY DROVE UP THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN TURNED RIGHT INTO THE GARAGE.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS NOW REQUESTING TO ADD, UH, A 26 BY 26 ADDITION

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TO THIS DETACHED GARAGE HERE, AND THEN WITH THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTING TO THE STREET WITH THE NEW CURB CUT.

UM, AND WE HAVE THE OWNER ABRAHAM AL JOSE HERE IN PERSON.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE? IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS ABRAHAM AL JOSE.

I PURCHASED THIS HOUSE FROM THE BANK AT THE FORECLOSURE ABOUT A FEW MONTHS AGO.

I DID NOT KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT THE HOUSE.

THANK FOR JESSICA ANDERSON TO INFORM ME MORE INFORMATION.

AND, UH, I PROPOSED TO TO, UH, I LOVE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I RESPECT THAT.

AND I, I, WHEN I GET OLDER AND RETIRE, I LIKE TO HAVE A GARAGE FOR THE WINTER AND THE SUMMER.

UH, AS JESSICA SHOW YOU THE PICTURE, I BROUGHT SOME PICTURE IF YOU WANT TO PROJECT THIS TO THEM.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THEN, UH, THOSE PICTURES ACTUALLY SHOW THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE A GARAGE WAS EXIST IN THE PAST AND I CAN, UH, A LOT OF ADDITION DONE IN THE PAST TO THAT HOUSE, WHICH IS THIS, THE PART I WILL LIKE TO CONCENTRATE A LITTLE IS THE, UH, IT JUST INFORMED ME IF YOU BUILD A GARAGE, IT SHOULD NOT BE LONGER THAN THE EXISTING WALL OF THE HOUSE.

THEN WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE TO 26 FEET, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE COME TO THE SIZE, UH, WALL OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS BASICALLY, YOU SEE ON THAT SIDE, YOU SEE THE BLACK DOOR.

THAT WHAT I ASSUMING, BUT I'M WRONG.

MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A GARAGE IN A PAST ALL THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO MANY TIMES THE CONSTRUCTION DOWN ON THAT HOUSE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY JUST GOT WAY MORE, NO MORE THAN I DO.

AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING TO A 26 BY 26 GARAGE, NOT ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE, NOT ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

AND, UH, THE, THE OUTSIDE OF THE, OF THE GARAGE EXACTLY MIMIC THE ADDITION.

YOU SEE THAT TWO WINDOWS AND ALSO THE ROOF OF THE GARAGE, YOU'RE GONNA BE EXACTLY THE COLOR OF THE EXISTING ADDITION OF THAT HOUSE.

THE ONLY PROBLEM I'M FACING HERE THOUGH, TO, TO EXTEND THE GARAGE TO THE HOWARD THE STREET AND HAVE A DRIVEWAY AT LEAST 20 FEET WIDE ENOUGH TO TWO CAR GO THROUGH.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING TO DO.

SO, AND, UH, THE, THE DRIVEWAY SLOWLY REDUCED AND ALSO WIDENING TO, TO ADJUST THE GARAGE DOOR.

THE GARAGE DOOR GONNA BE ABOUT EIGHT FEET TALL AND THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE GONNA BE 15 AT THE SAME HEIGHT.

THE ADDITION IS, AND I HAVE SOME PICTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR TO ME, ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.

THIS IS HAS TWO DRIVEWAY, ONE, ONE AND TWO.

THE ONE NEXT DOOR TO ME HAD THE WHITE DRIVEWAY, THE CAR, THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS IS MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS HAD A WHITE DOOR WITH HIS PERMISSION, I TOOK A PICTURE OF HIS PROPERTY TO SHOW YOU THE OTHER ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME DIRECTLY.

ACTUALLY, THE PICTURE IS AN ORANGE COLORED PICTURE.

AND THAT, UH, JUST DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME HAD THE TWO CAR DRIVEWAY AND ONE X EXTRA DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE.

AND THAT'S THE REASON I HAVE TO, TO BRING THOSE PICTURE TO YOU TO INFORM YOU THERE IS A CONDITION IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD EXISTS, BUT I'M, I'M DEPEND ON THE, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, TO, I DON'T WANT TO CIRCUMVENT ANY, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINE, BUT I APPRECIATE IF YOU ALLOW ME TO BUILD A GARAGE ON THE, UNDER YOUR GUIDELINE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I BROUGHT THOSE PICTURE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, TO SEE THAT.

AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AND I'M DEPEND ON THE, YOUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND YOUR GUIDELINE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY QUESTION FOR ME? THANKS FOR DOING THAT JOB FOR ME, SIR.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ON COMMISSION? I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

YES, SIR.

UH, OKAY.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE REC THIS IS FOR, FOR THE STAFF.

SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING NO CURB CUT, NO DRIVEWAY ON HOWARD.

AND IF STAFF, I MEAN IF THE COMMISSION, UH, WOULD MOVE IN FAVOR OF THE DRIVEWAY, THAT THEN THE DRIVEWAY IS MINIMAL TO THE 10 FEET.

THE ALLOWANCE OF A GARAGE, BUT NOT THE ALLOWANCE OF A DRIVEWAY.

SO IN THE, IN THE WAY THAT I'M HEARING IT, RIGHT, THE WAY THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IT IS YOU'RE RECOMMENDING

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FIRST WE'RE RECOMMENDING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE GARAGE, RIGHT.

IN ADDITION TO THE GARAGE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

CORRECT? RIGHT.

BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT, THAT, THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT THE ENTRANCE INTO THE GARAGE WOULD BE FROM THE ALLEY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S A DEFAULT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S PROPOSING, BUT NO, NOT WHAT HE'S PROPOSING.

BUT IF YOU'RE PROPOSING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE WITHOUT A DRIVEWAY, THEN THE ONLY WAY YOU'D GET INTO THAT GARAGE IS THROUGH THE ALLEY, RIGHT? PRACTICALLY, YES.

NOW THE, THE REASON WHY I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE I WANT TO, I WANNA ADDRESS THE ITEM IN THE WAY THAT IT'S COMMUNICATED LOGICALLY, AND YOU MADE NO MENTION OF THE ALLEY.

THEREFORE, THE ISSUE HERE SHOULDN'T BE WHETHER THERE'S A, A, UM, UM, AN ENTRY FROM HOWARD BECAUSE THE, THE, UM, THE GARAGE AS PROPOSED IS COMING IN FROM HOWARD.

SO LOGICALLY THE NEGOTIATIONS ALREADY BEGUN AND, AND I, AND I WOULD RATHER BEGIN FROM THAT POINT PERSONALLY.

SO IF WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A, A NO, NO, NO DRIVEWAY, UH, AND IF THERE IS A DRIVEWAY, THEN IT'S 10 FEET, THEN TO ME THE NEGOTIATION IS OFFSET.

SO, SO REALLY WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT AN ENTRY ON HOWARD AND THE WIDTH OF THAT DRIVEWAY RELATED TO THE PROPOSED GARAGE AT 26 FEET, WHICH LOGICALLY IS A TWO CAR GARAGE.

UH, I APPRECIATE THE IMAGES THAT THE GENTLEMAN HAS BROUGHT BEFORE US.

UH, AND JUST BASED ON THE WAY THAT THIS IS PRESENTED, UH, UH, I, I'M VERY CURIOUS AS TO WHY THAT THAT LOGIC IS BEING USED, UM, WHEN REALLY IT SHOULD HAVE BE BEGUN WITH JUST THE, THE DRIVEWAY ON HOWARD.

IF THERE WAS NOT GONNA BE A MENTION OF THE ALLEY, IT JUST, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE WHERE WERE ADDRESSING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND HE DIDN'T REQUEST A DRIVEWAY OFF THE ALLEY.

HE REQUESTED A DRIVEWAY OFF HOWARD, BUT YET SHE C IS WELCOME TO PROPOSE OTHER SOLUTIONS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? GO AHEAD MA'AM.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR, OR QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, IN THE COMMUNICATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IF THE GARAGE IS CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED, RATHER THAN HAVING ONE LARGE GARAGE DOOR, UM, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING TWO SMALLER, TWO INDIVIDUAL GARAGE DOORS, OVERHEAD DOORS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK BETTER WITH THE SCALE OF YOUR HOUSE.

UH, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO TO GARAGE DOOR.

AS LONG AS I DON'T HIT THE WALL SURE.

FURTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

CAN WE GO TO, UH, PHOTO NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS THE GOOGLE EARTH VIEW? YES.

IT APPEARS THAT THE HOUSE AT 1 35, UH, GRAMERCY, THE GARAGE IS IN THE BACK AND THE DRIVEWAY IS OFF OF THE SIDE STREET, UH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.

UH, 1 35 DOES NOT HAVE AN ENTRY OR A GARAGE DRIVE OFF OF GRAMERCY SINCE 2 0 3.

THIS PROPERTY, THE ACCESS TO THE BACK IS BLOCKED BY THE SWIMMING POOL.

WOULD STAFF BE B WOULD CONSIDER A DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE STREET IF THE DRIVEWAY AND CURB CUT ON GRAMERCY WERE ELIMINATED AND TURNED INTO YARD? YEAH, I MEAN, TO JESS'S POINT ABOUT US JUST REVIEWING THE REQUESTS AT HAND, YES, THAT IS A PRACTICAL POTENTIAL COMPROMISE, BUT WE'RE NOT ALWAYS IN A POSITION TO JUST NEGOTIATE THAT.

BUT YOU CAN ALL SEE IF THE APPLICANT'S COMFORTABLE WITH A COMPROMISE AND COME TO THAT CONCLUSION.

WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER? I DON'T HAVE PROBLEM, YOUR HONOR, BUT, BUT, UH, WHATEVER HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDED, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT DRIVEWAY EXISTS BECAUSE WE ACCESS TO THE POOL AND WE CLEAN THE POOL AND THE PEOPLE COME CLEAN THE POOL.

BUT WE MAKE IT CLOSE IF YOU WANT TO.

OKAY, NO PROBLEM.

SO SIR, SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THERE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE OKAY

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WITH THAT.

SO, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE, I MEAN, YOU'RE ACTUALLY READY TO MOVE FORWARD.

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION? IT IS YOUR, YOUR PROJECT.

SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING THERE.

I, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I IF IT'S, IF IT'S REQUIRED BY HISTORIC DISTRICT OR YOUR RECOMMENDATION, I WILL FOLLOW UP.

I I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.

IT IS, IT'S NOT REQUIREMENTS.

I'M SORRY, I, I IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO SAY MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR.

SO IF YOU'RE OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT, THEN YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU CAN REQUIRE DEFINITELY WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.

SO JUST A RECOMMENDATION.

I GOT YOU.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE, UM, COMMISSION? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS 1, 2, 3, ADD A STIPULATION FOUR FOR TWO INDIVIDUAL CAR OVERHEAD DOORS, AND STIPULATION NUMBER FIVE WITH THE ABANDONMENT OF THE CURB CUT ON GRAMERCY.

AND TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, FOR THE REQUESTED, AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.

COULD I ASK ONE QUESTION, MADAM? YES.

UH, IF YOU, IF YOU, UH, ALLEGING SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO ABOUND THE ENTRY FROM THE, FROM THE 2 0 3, UH, HOW WE DO THAT, WE TURN INTO A GRASSLAND OR WE BLOCK THE DRIVEWAY.

HOW, HOW YOU RECOMMEND ME TO DO IT? I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ARE ABANDONING YOUR, REMOVING THE CURB CUT AND REINSTATING LANDSCAPE OF SOME SORT IN WHERE THE CONCRETE IS WITH THE CODE BLACK.

YES, SURE.

I'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT.

AND THEN WITH NUMBER, WITH THE SECOND REQUEST, APPROVE IT AS SUBMITTED.

MOVE AND PROPERLY SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, IF THE MOTION, UH, WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD IF SHE, IF UH, YOU HAVE COMMENTS, I CAN WAIT TILL THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.

UH, SURE.

YEAH, I JUST THINK THAT, UM, CONSIDERING THE, UM, DRIVEWAY CUT PATTERN ON HOWARD STREET, UM, THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE DOUBLE WIDTH DRIVE IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR CORNER LOTS.

UM, BUT THE, UM, OBSERVATION THAT COMMISSIONER FETZER BROUGHT UP ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE DRIVEWAYS, UM, YOU HAVE THE DRIVEWAY ON THE SHORT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, SO THAT MEANS THAT THE ONE ON GRAMERCY IS REALLY THE ODD DRIVEWAY AND, UM, MAINTAINING IT CREATES PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD TOO.

UM, AND AS FAR AS THE ABANDONMENT, UM, UM, THAT ADDRESSES THAT EXTRA DRIVE WHITE CUT BY REPLACING, UH, THE CONCRETE WITH SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPE, I JUST THINK IT WOULD STRENGTHEN THE PATTERN ALONG GRAMERCY THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON GRAMERCY AND GIVE YOU YOUR PARKING AND YOUR GARAGE.

THANK COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ Y YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIR.

I, I JUST WANNA COMMENT THAT, UM, UH, WITH, WITH THE DRIVEWAY, THE WAY THAT IT IS ACROSS THE STREET ON THE HOWARD SIDE, I THINK IT, IT, IT MAKES A GOOD SENSE.

I I I'M GONNA BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.

I I DON'T, I JUST WANNA VOICE IT.

I DON'T FEEL IT'S NECESSARY TO REMOVE THE, THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE IT IS A, A HISTORIC, UM, A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT, THAT, THAT IT'S LIKE THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? THERE'S PLENTY OF REASONS TO, TO CHANGE A RIBBON DRIVEWAY OR WHERE A RIBBON DRIVEWAY DOESN'T EXIST.

WHERE, WHERE SOMEONE WANTS A DRIVEWAY AND THE PATTERNS OF RIBBON DRIVEWAY AND WE PUT PEOPLE IN A POSITION TO DO A RIBBON DRIVEWAY, THAT THIS DRIVEWAY IS THERE.

THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF A NEGOTIATED BALANCE, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE REMOVAL OF A, OF A DRIVEWAY, BUT FOR THE REASONS THAT IT'S THERE, IT EXISTS, UH, I SEE NO REASON TO TO REMOVE IT UNLESS THE APPLICANT WANTS TO REMOVE IT.

BUT IF THE APPLICANT DOES NOT WANNA REMOVE IT, THEN FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, A PERSON CAN DRIVE DOWN THE STREET WHO ALWAYS SAW THAT DRIVEWAY AND THEY'LL CONTINUE TO SEE THAT DRIVEWAY.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, SIR.

AND, UH, IF YOU GUYS, UH, JOINTLY ASKED ME TO DO THAT, I, THE REASON I SAID YES, I DO IT BECAUSE I, I I PRESERVE, I LOVE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, SEEING NO, UM, CAN I SAY SOMETHING SIR? SURE.

COME BACK UP TO THE MIC, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

I, I DO NOT INTEND TO REMOVE THE BROADWAY, THE, THE DRIVEWAY, BUT IF THE INTENTION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO ENFORCE THAT, I DO THAT, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

THE, THE, THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE, THAT DRIVEWAY, PART OF THAT HISTORIC HOUSE.

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I DON'T WANT SOMETHING YOU GUYS DEVOTING YOUR TIME AND LIFE FOR THIS.

IF YOU THINK I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT DRIVEWAY IS PART OF THE HISTORIC PART OF THAT HOUSE, WHATEVER YOU DECIDED TO DO, I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO IT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MY QUESTION, UM, COMMISSIONER GRU COULD STILL OR GIVE OUT ANY, ANYTHING? NO.

ALRIGHT.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? I'M SORRY, GROUP.

YOU GUYS HAVE A QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD MA'AM.

COMMISSIONER GROUP, I CAN'T HEAR YOU NOW.

NO, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU MR. CHAIR.

HER VOICE IS COMING FROM OUT OF SOMEWHERE BECAUSE I CAN HEAR THE, THE, THE FAINT, UH, SOUND OF HER VOICE, IT SAYS NEEDS TO BE TURNED UP OR SOMETHING.

YEAH, TRY SPEAKING AGAIN AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED HERE ON OUR END.

SORRY.

YEAH, I HEAR HER FROM A DISTANCE.

IT'S KINDA LIKE SHE'S COMING FROM BACK THERE.

I SOUND LIKE SHE'S IN THE BACK IN THE BACK ROOM.

CAN'T HEAR.

I HEAR HER.

YOU'RE, WE CAN HEAR YOU IN THE HALLWAY, BUT NOT IN THE ROOM FOR WHATEVER REASON.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY I TRY NOW AND PERHAPS YOU CAN USE THE SPEAKERS ON MY COMPUTER TO COME THROUGH.

CAN YOU HEAR US? YEAH.

TRY FOR A CHOICE.

CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU HEAR US? YEAH, IT'S, IT IS BETTER.

GO, GO AHEAD WITH IT.

WE'LL WORK WITH IT.

WE CAN HEAR YOU A LITTLE BIT.

GO AHEAD.

YES, GO AHEAD.

YES, GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN AN AMENDED MOTION.

GO.

I'LL SECOND AMENDED MOTION WOULD BE AS COMMISSIONER S STATED, PLUS REMOVING THE, UH, STIPULATIONS TO REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY ON GRAMERCY.

CAN YOU TRANSLATE CORY? SHE SAID, UH, THE AMENDED MOTION WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY ON GRAMERCY.

YOU'RE SAYING REMOVE THAT STIPULATION OR INCLUDE THIS, THAT IS INCLUDED AS A STIPULATION IN COMMISSIONER SAVINA'S MOTION, CORRECT? YEAH.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO, IN YOUR MOTION YOU INCLUDED THE REMOVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY ON GRAMERCY? I DID, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO AMEND THAT TO JUST REMOVING THE CURB CUT.

THAT WAY THE CONCRETE SLAB COULD CONTINUE TO BE USED.

SHE GAVE A THUMBS UP TO THAT.

YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT? IT SAYS NO.

FOR POOL USE, BUT NOT AS A REGULAR DAILY PARKING SPOT.

I GUESS COMMISSIONER, WHY A CURB CUT, CUT THE CURB CUT, REMOVES IT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND REMOVES IT TO BE, REMOVES IT FROM REGULAR DAILY USE AS A DRIVEWAY.

IT'S THE ONLY PROPERTY ON THAT CORNER, THAT INTERSECTION, THAT INTERSECTION THAT HAS TWO DRIVEWAYS, TWO CURB CUTS WITH TWO VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.

IT'S THE ONLY ONE.

AND THE APPLICANT MENTIONED THAT THEY USE IT TO SERVICE THE POOL.

I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THAT PROPERTY PERIODICALLY

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IT'S PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD.

ASK AN APPLICANT TO REMOVE A CURB CUT, UH, WE CAN JUST LEAVE THE DRIVEWAY AS IS.

THEY'RE NOT USING IT ANYWAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH TIME IT JUST, THERE'S NO LIKE, NO IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT I'M NOT SURE WE CAN MANDATE TO HAVE AN APPLICANT TOUCH A CURB CUT, WHICH IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ON THE PUBLIC SIDE.

THERE IS, AND I SAY THIS IS A UNIQUE PROPERTY JUST BECAUSE THERE IS SOME SITE, YOU KNOW, ON HOWARD THERE'S TWO EXAMPLES OF DOUBLE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY I, I ALSO SAY THAT THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE GRANTED THAT.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SECONDING MR. CHAIR, THAT SHE HAD MADE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND I WAS SECONDING THAT.

SO, UM, WE UNDERSTOOD, UM, COMMISSIONER GRU, SO WE CAN HEAR YOU, UM, VAGUELY SO, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND, SO, UM, YOUR SUBSTITUTE MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED.

SO, UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? COULD THAT AMENDED MOTION BE CLARIFIED? 'CAUSE I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT HER, WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.

IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME.

SO WHOEVER IT'S CLEAR TO SHOULD CLARIFY , SHE SAID I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ AND DIDN'T SEE ANY REASON.

OH, SHE DID? SHE DID.

GOOD.

I HEARD THAT BECAUSE IT'S VERY SPECIAL TO ME AT THIS MOMENT.

UM, AND I SECONDED THAT, BUT IT'S VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ABANDONMENT OF THE, WHAT I, SORRY.

WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WAS THAT SHE AGREED WITH THE FIRST PART OF SAVINA'S MOTION, WHICH WAS TO ACCEPT, UM, ITEM ONE WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AND WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION FOUR OF A TWO CAR GARAGE DOOR, I BELIEVE, AND THEN REMOVE THE SECOND, UM, RECOMMENDATION FROM SAVINO.

THAT'S WHY I UNDERSTOOD.

IS THAT CORRECT? SHE'S SHAKING HER HEAD YES.

SO THE CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY ON GRAMERCY WOULD REMAIN IN THIS AMENDED MOTION TO BE CLEAR.

GOTCHA.

ALRIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO IF NOT, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THE AMENDED MOTION.

CASTILLO AYE.

SAV NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE.

HOLLAND NAY, FETZER NAY AND GIBBS.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

SO NOW WE WILL, UH, VOTE AGAIN ON THE AMENDED MOTION.

MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED AMEND.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.

HEAR US NOW? YES, WE CAN.

YES.

ITEM NUMBER 11, PLEASE.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 180 6 2 66 EAST LOW WOOD AVENUE.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE REAR ACCESSORY LOCATED AT 2 66 EAST LITTLEWOOD AVENUE.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS.

A THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER WORK WITH STAFF TO REPAIR THE STRUCTURE IN KIND IF THE HD OR C APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

REMOVAL DECONSTRUCTION BY ITS CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR IS REQUIRED UNDER UDC.

UH, CHAPTER 12, ARTICLE TWO, THE PROPERTY OWNER SAN UH, KURA IS HERE IN PERSON.

AND THERE IS ONE LETTER FOR COMMISSION REVIEW.

PLEASE COME UP.

AND IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND WALK THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH YOUR PROJECT, UM, DISCUSS ANY TYPE OF, UM, DIFFICULTIES THAT YOU'VE HAD WITH, UH, PREVIOUS, UM, ATTEMPTS TO REHABILITATE THE STRUCTURE, UM, YOUR ENGINEER REPORT AND ET CETERA.

UM, AND IF YOU CAN ALSO INTRODUCE YOURSELF FROM, UH, IN THE MICROPHONE AS WELL.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

I'M SNI KORRA, UM, UH, OWNER AND APPLICANT FOR 2 66 EAST LONGWOOD.

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WITH THE NEW FOUNDATION, IT'LL COST YOU ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO 50 TO 300 K TO GET THIS TWO STRUCTURE BACK ON TODAY.

SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UM, WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AGAIN IN FORECLOSURE, LIKE THE OTHER GENTLEMAN, UM, PRIOR TO US PURCHASING IT.

UM, THE MAIN HOUSE IS NOT ON THESE PHOTOS, BUT UM, UH, BASICALLY THE ENTIRE HOUSE HAD BEEN, UH, LOOKS LIKE BOUGHT BY AN INVESTOR TWO YEARS AGO.

AND THEY HAD ESSENTIALLY GUTTED OUT THE ENTIRE, UH, INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.

UM, THEY HAD DONE, UH, ALL NEW ELECTRICAL PLUMBING, UH, NEW HVAC, UH, IN AN ATTEMPT AND CONVERTED IT FROM A DUPLEX TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND THEY WERE IN PROCESS OF, UH, CONVERTING THIS BACK STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE SOME SORT OF ENTERTAINMENT SPACE.

SO, UM, I HAD MY BROTHER MOVE IN AND WE JUST WERE LOOKING FOR A PLACE, WE LIVE IN MONTE VISTA ALREADY, AND WE WERE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC REQUIREMENTS.

AND, UH, I MEAN, OF COURSE WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S WHY WE ARE THERE.

SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER PLACE FOR HIM TO MOVE INTO, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT INVOLVED IN THIS.

SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UM, WHAT CAME AS, I GUESS SOME WORD OF A NEW THING FOR US WAS THE STRIKE TEAM.

SO APPARENTLY THE LAST, UM, INVESTOR HAD GONE IN AND DONE ALL THIS WORK WITHOUT GETTING ANY APPROVALS OR ANY PERMITS FOR THE WORK.

SO THE STRIKE TEAM HAD BEEN INVOLVED.

SO ONCE WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UH, WE HAD THE INSPECTOR COME OVER TO THE HOUSE AND GUIDE US IN TERMS OF WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TO, YOU KNOW, START THE PROJECT.

SO, UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR THE MAIN HOUSE, UM, LIKE HE WALKED THROUGH, UH, THE MAIN HOUSE AND THIS BUILDING, UH, HE SAW SEVERAL ITEMS THAT HE WANTED US TO ADDRESS, UM, WHICH INCLUDED, OF COURSE THE, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

UH, OUR ORIGINAL INTENT WAS JUST THE SAME WAY TO JUST GO HAVE, GO AHEAD AND REHABILITATE IT AND MAKE IT LIVABLE AGAIN, LIKE HAVE AN APARTMENT UPSTAIRS AND A GARAGE ON THE LEFT, WHEREAS LIKE AN OUTDOOR SPACE JUST HEATING ON THE OTHER SIDE.

UM, BUT WHEN HE LOOKED AT IT, HE BASICALLY, UM, DID NOT, UH, HE SEEMED WORRIED, HE DIDN'T GIMME ANY SPECIFICS, BUT HE SAID BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH IT, I NEED YOU TO, UH, GET A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS INSPECTION, UH, TO ASSESS WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THIS STRUCTURE.

UM, THE MAIN HOUSE, UM, AGAIN, AFTER HIS WALKTHROUGH, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE IN THE HOUSE HAD TO BE REDONE FROM SCRATCH, LIKE ALL NEW PLUMBING.

SO WE HAD TO RIP OUT ALL THE PLUMBING THAT WAS DONE, ALL ELECTRICAL, INCLUDING NEW HVACS BECAUSE HE SAID WHAT WAS INSTALLED WILL NOT PASS INSPECTIONS.

SO BASICALLY IN ONE WEEKS OF PURCHASING IT, OUR BUDGET DOUBLED MORE THAN DOUBLED.

UM, ANYWAYS, SO, UM, WE DID GET THE ENGINEER AND THE ARCHITECT TO COME AND LOOK AT IT AND GIVE US, UH, ADVICE ON, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN, UM, FIX WHAT'S THERE ALREADY.

SO, UM, AS PER THE ARCHITECT'S, UH, SORRY, THE ENGINEER'S REPORT, UM, FIRST THING WAS HE SAID THE FOUNDATION ITSELF IS ONLY FOUR INCHES THICK.

IT DOES NOT SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE ABOVE IT.

UM, THE SECOND THING HE SAID THAT THE BACK IN THE SECOND PICTURE THAT YOU SEE ESSENTIALLY DOESN'T EVEN REST ON THE CONCRETE SLAB, IT JUST RESTS ON DIRT.

UM, THE STEPS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING ESSENTIALLY ARE JUST SITTING ON LIKE CONCRETE BLOCKS, UM, FOR THAT, UM, I GUESS THAT PICTURE DOESN'T HAVE IT.

UM, ESSENTIALLY, YEAH, SO YOU HAVE TO WALK UP, UH, CONCRETE BLOCKS TO GET UP TO THE STAIRWELL.

SO, UM, AND UM, ANYWAYS, THE ARCHITECT DIDN'T EVEN GET UP THE STAIRS BECAUSE HE DID NOT FEEL IT WAS SAFE TO WALK THE UPSTAIRS.

AND I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONTRACTORS LIKE THAT WHO BASICALLY JUST GOT UP HALFWAY THROUGH THE STAIRS, PEAKED AT IT AND CAME DOWN.

UM, THE ARCHITECT HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING DRAWINGS TO GET PERMITS AND HE SAID, UH, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GO AHEAD AND REHABILITATE IT? I SAID, WELL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOUR JOB TO HELP ME OUT AND FIGURE IT OUT, .

SO ANYWAYS, UM, SO AFTER WE GOT THE ENGINEER TO COME AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT, HE SAID, THERE'S NO WAY THAT I CAN, UM, FIX THIS WITHOUT FIXING THE FOUNDATION TO BEGIN WITH.

AND THEN COMES THE FRAMING.

SO, UM, AND HE LEFT IT AT THAT.

HE SAID, THERE IS, I, I CANNOT PASS THIS AS IT IS.

SO WE WENT BACK TO THE CITY.

UM, AFTER THAT GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE ENGINEER AND THE ARCHITECT, UM, I WAS ADVISED TO GET SOME KIND OF COAT TO, UH, REBUILD THE STRUCTURE.

UM, AND UH, SO I HAD A CONTRACTOR GIMME AN, A ROUGH ESTIMATE FOR IT.

IT WASN'T, HE SAID, IF I HAVE TO BREAK DOWN EVERY ELEMENT OF IT, IT'LL COST YOU ANOTHER COUPLE THOUSAND JUST TO GET AN ESTIMATE.

SO, UM, HE SAID, JUST BASED ON THE BUILDING STANDARDS THESE DAYS, IF YOU HAD TO BUILD THE EXACT SAME STRUCTURE

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SO, UM, FINANCIALLY, I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S HOW WE CAME BACK TO BASICALLY DEMOLISHING THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE ONE, IT'S NOT SAFE THE WAY IT STANDS AND PRACTICALLY THERE'S NO WAY TO REHABILITATE IT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND THAT'S, I GUESS WHEN WE PUT IN THE REQUEST FOR, FOR THE DEMOLITION.

NOTHING ELSE.

UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I DON'T KNOW, , I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU WERE DONE, SO THAT'S FINE.

SOME, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON MR. CHAIR.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GROUP.

I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE WAS SAYING SOMETHING FIRST.

I CAN WAIT.

WELL, OKAY.

NO, I MEANT JUST MY QUESTION IS, UM, HAVE YOU GOTTEN A QUOTE TO JUST STABILIZE, NOT HAVE IT, MAKE IT LIVABLE, BUT JUST TO STABILIZE, LIKE, 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND, I JUST WANNA ASK LIKE YOUR INTENTIONS IS TO JUST DEMOLISH AND NOT REBUILD ANYTHING.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S JUST SO YOU CAN PARK CARS OR WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU DOING RIGHT NOW? SO RIGHT NOW, UM, BASICALLY JUST PARK CARS.

THERE'S NO OTHER INTENT IF WE WERE TO TAKE THIS DOWN.

UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, GETTING IT TO BE STABILIZED THE WAY IT IS, UH, THEY SAID THE WAY TO DO IT IS TO FIRST MAKE THE FOUNDATION, WHICH THEY SAID IS NOT FEASIBLE RIGHT NOW.

AND THE EXPENSE WOULD BE EXPONENTIAL IF WE HAD TO LIFT THE STRUCTURE.

BUT A LOT OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE WAS, UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS A STAFF, WAS IT A TWO STORY EXCESSIVE STRUCTURE ORIGINALLY? HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT OR WAS IT LIFTED UP? NO, UM, YEAH, SO STAFF CAN ADD SOME CLARITY.

LET ME PULL UP SANDBORNE MAPS.

UM, SO AS NOTED IN FINDING A, THE STRUCTURE, UH, FIRST APPEARS IN CITY DIRECTORY MAPS IN 1931, UM, IN THE FIRST SANBORN MAP THAT IT APPEARS IN IS IN 1938.

UM, IN 38 THERE IS, UH, LET ME SEE WHERE IT IS.

UM, IN 1938, THERE'S A ONE STORY, UM, REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH, UM, A SIMILAR IF NOT THE SAME, UH, FOOTPRINT.

UM, AND THEN IN 1951 SANBORN MAP, IT DOES SHOW A TWO STORY, UM, REAR EDITION.

AND THEN WHAT THE CONTRACT PREVIOUS OWNER DID WAS KIND OF START THE WORK, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, HOLD LIVING QUARTERS ON THE UPSTAIRS.

I'M ASSUMING THE STAIRS WERE ADDED TO IT.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE, AGAIN, WHAT I CAN GO BY IS JUST, YOU KNOW, PICTURES THAT I COULD FIND ON PRIOR LISTINGS AS TO WHAT THE STRUCTURE WAS BEFORE.

UH, MEANING WHEN HE STARTED THE WORK, UM, THE STAIRS WERE THERE, BUT I GUESS THEY WERE IN WORSE SHAPE THAN THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.

UM, SAME THING WITH, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PICTURE OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, THEY DID GO AND TRY AND BRACE IT, UM, ALL AROUND.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WHEN WE WALKED THE PROPERTY THE FIRST TIME, THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S FIXED AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN JUST PATCH IT UP AND THAT'LL BE IT.

BUT, UM, YEAH, IT WASN'T UNTIL I GUESS THE ENGINEER KIND OF GAVE US THAT INFORMATION.

FOOTPRINT RIGHT THERE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT CONCRETE SLAB THERE, WHICH WITHOUT A SITE VISIT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF NEWER, ISN'T IT? THE SLAB? WE THINK SO.

AND THEN JUST ONE LAST QUESTION TO STAFF.

HAS THERE ANY BEEN ANY PERMITS PULLED FOR THIS? OH YES.

FOR THE HOUSE? UM, SORRY, FOR THE PRE FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER, WAS THERE ANY PLANS? NO, NO.

TO STAFF? YEAH, SO STAFF WOULD NEED, UH, WOULD NEED TIME TO, UM, TO GO THROUGH OUR, UH, THE PERMITTING DOCUMENTS FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THANK YOU, MR. SO, UH, AS I KNOW THEY WERE NOT PULLED AND THAT'S WHY THE STRIKE TEAM WAS INVOLVED.

AND, UH, INSPECTOR IS, UM, VILLA ISRAEL VILLA IS THE ONE WHO'S BEEN VISITING THE HOUSE AND HE'S WELL AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION.

SO ALL THIS WORK THAT WAS EVEN DONE WAS NOT APPARENTLY UP TO CODE OR, YOU KNOW, MEETS THE STANDARD GUIDELINES.

COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR.

YES.

THE, UM, QUESTION MR. STAFF, ANY IDEA WHAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THOSE TWO OF THE STRUCTURE AS IT APPEARED ON THE TWO SANDBORN MAPS THAT YOU REFERENCED? IT WAS 1931 AND 58 30.

SURE.

SO YEAH, THE 1938 SANBORN AND 1951 SANBORNS.

UM, SIZE GENERALLY? YEAH, GENERALLY IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THEY'RE NOT, UH, LISTED WITH, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, BUT STAFF'S DETERMINATIONS AND APPROXIMATION ON, UM, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED ON THE LOT, UM, IN RELATION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE OR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

RIGHT.

'CAUSE I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW BIG, HOW IF THAT, IF THAT IS THE ORIGINAL

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SO IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT THAT ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT WAS SMALLER THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.

STAFF WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WITH ANY, UH, LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE AT THIS TIME? WE THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN RAISED WITH A, LIKE THEY POURED A SLAB AND THEN SET THIS BACK DOWN ON THE SLAB, BUT THE FOOTPRINT MATCHES WHAT'S ON THE 1951 MAP.

SO THIS HAD A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, WHICH IS EVIDENCED BY THAT FIRST SMALLER BAY.

WE BELIEVE THAT'S THE 1938 FOOTPRINT.

AND THEN IT WAS EXPANDED TO THIS FOOTPRINT BY 1951 PER THE SANDBORN MAPS.

AND THAT CONCRETE WILL STAY THAT SMOOTH FROM 1951.

IS THAT ? THE SANDBORNE MAP DOES NOT SHOW US CONCRETE OR NOT CONCRETE.

WE ARE ASSUMING THAT THE CONCRETE WAS A LATER ADDITION AND THAT THEY DID IT BY LIFTING THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, POURING THE SLAB, AND THEN SETTING IT BACK DOWN.

BASED ON YOUR ASSESSMENT, CAN YOU GIVE A DECADE AS TO WHEN THAT CONCRETE WAS POUR? NO.

SO CAN I, CAN I COMMENT ON THAT? I MEAN, I CANNOT TELL YOU OF COURSE THE AGE OF IT, BUT IT DOESN'T, UH, SO THIS IS THE PICTURE THAT WE GOT, YOU KNOW, JUST PROBABLY A WEEK OR TWO AFTER WE MOVED IN AND THEN WE CLEARED UP ALL THAT VEGETATION.

UM, BUT THE CONCRETE DOESN'T, IS NOT SMOOTH BY ANY MEANS.

IT HAS MULTIPLE, UM, LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? POTHOLES? .

UM, AND, UH, THAT LOOKS LIKE THINGS HAVE BEEN CHANGED AND MOVED OVER TIME.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY POURED SOMETHING MORE ON TOP OF IT AT SOME POINT TO DO OTHER THINGS.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY, UH, IN FACT THE ENGINEER HAD US DIG IT OUT ON THAT SIDE.

HE SAID, I, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE THAT THIS GOES DEEP.

SO WE HAD TO DIG IT OUT FOR HIM TO SHOW HIM ESSENTIALLY HOW DEEP IT WAS.

BUT A LOT OF IT, I GUESS IN THOSE, THE LEAVES THAT YOU SEE, THEY'RE SITTING IN THOSE, I GUESS THE, THE POTHOLES IN THAT THING.

COMMISSIONER HOLLER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

WHEN YOU BOUGHT THIS THIS PLACE, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENTION? UH, WHAT WERE YOU GUYS GONNA DO WITH THAT REAR STRUCTURE? UM, AS USED AS AN APARTMENT AND A GARAGE AND JUST LIVING SPACE DOWNSTAIRS.

AND IN FACT, I WENT TO THE CITY RIGHT AFTER WE BOUGHT IT WITH TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY ASKED ME TO SUBMIT IT, ONE FOR THE MAIN HOUSE AND ONE FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

SO WHEN I SUBMITTED THOSE, UM, OF COURSE I WAS REFERRED TO, YOU KNOW, MEET WITH HDRC ABOUT IT.

SO WHEN I STARTED SPEAKING WITH THEM, UM, I WAS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, I NEEDED MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE BACK STRUCTURE BECAUSE, SO FROM THIS, I COULD NOT EVEN TAKE PICTURES FROM THE BACK ALLEY BECAUSE IT'S, AGAIN, OVERGROWN WITH VEGETATION REALLY CANNOT STEP BACK IN THERE.

THERE ARE NO EXISTING, UM, THERE'S NO DOOR TO THE STRUCTURE.

IT'S BROKEN.

UM, THE WINDOWS REALLY DON'T EXIST.

THERE'S ONLY ONE WINDOW THAT YOU SEE ON THE FRONT OF IT THAT EXISTS, WHICH IS NOT FUNCTIONAL.

SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT STARTED REGARDING THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO I SAID, OKAY, ANY TIME ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT I DO NEED TO GET STARTED ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN HOUSE.

AND THAT'S WHEN I GOT THE ENGINEER WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS GOING ON THAT WE REALIZED THAT THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, WASN'T FEASIBLE.

SO OUR ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO USE IT AS IT IS INTENDED TO BE RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE AS IT WAS.

AND I, SO, SO I READ YOUR ENGINEER REPORT.

I, WHAT I DIDN'T READ WAS THE ENGINEER SAYING THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO USE IT.

WHAT I SAW WAS THAT IT DIDN'T MEET CODE OR HE WOULDN'T APPROVE IT.

AND I THINK, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REASONABLE WOULD.

AND THEN, UH, MY, MY QUESTION IS DO YOU, HAVE YOU ENGAGED WITH ANY OTHER ENGINEERS TO LOOK AT IT? UH, NO, BECAUSE THE SAME ENGINEER ALSO WORKED ON THE MAIN HOUSE.

UM, AND, UM, HE GAVE US RECOMMENDATIONS HOW TO APPROPRIATE, BECAUSE THERE WAS A, SO WHAT HAPPENED IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS WAS A DUPLEX, THE MAIN HOUSE.

SO THEY HAD ESSENTIALLY TAKEN OUT SEVERAL WALLS AND PUT IN BEAMS. UM, AND THAT WHOLE STRUCTURE WAS DONE WRONG.

LIKE IT WAS ALL WRONG.

SO HE BASICALLY GAVE US GUIDELINES HOW TO GO BACK AND REPLACE THE BEAMS. SO ESSENTIALLY ON THE FIRST FLOOR, ON ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WE HAVE PUT IN ALL NEW STRUCTURAL BEAMS AND, UH, BASICALLY REHAB THAT PART OF IT THAT WAS FEASIBLE.

BUT THIS, HE SAID, I CANNOT EVEN TELL YOU WHERE TO START BECAUSE HE WAS QUITE FIXATED ON THE FOUNDATION TO BEGIN WITH.

HE SAID IF THE FOUNDATION WAS RIGHT, AND THEN THE BACKSTORY DOESN'T EVEN SIT ON THE, UM, THE BACK WALL DOESN'T EVEN SIT ON THE CONCRETE.

SO ESSENTIALLY JUST KIND OF REFRAMING FROM GROUND UP FROM THERE TO REBUILD THE MAIN STRUCTURE AS WELL.

SO THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS HOW TO GO ABOUT AND FIX IT.

I, I, I'M, I'M TRYING TO AVOID A BLANKET TEAR DOWN BECAUSE THE GOAL WOULD BE TO PRESERVE THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY AND THE FABRIC OF

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THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANOTHER ENGINEER WHO MIGHT, IF, IF THEY WERE TASKED WITH IT, ASKED.

MM-HMM.

THE QUESTION, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO SAVE THIS? UM, SO I DID NOT DO THAT MYSELF.

SO I HAD CALLED MULTIPLE ENGINEERS, OF COURSE, TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY TO COME AND, YOU KNOW, UM, GET TO SEE IT.

THERE WAS ANOTHER ENGINEER WHO HAD COME AND ASSESSED ONLY THE MAIN HOUSE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BEFORE WE BOUGHT IT BECAUSE, UM, EVEN THE MAIN HOUSE, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IS IN QUITE BAD SHAPE.

UM, LITERALLY WE'VE HAD TO REPLACE EVERY SINGLE BIT OF THE HOUSE, INCLUDING ALL THE CONCRETE EXTERIOR, LIKE THERE ARE CRACKS AT THE BOTTOM OF IT.

SO, UM, THEY HAD ASSESSED THAT STRUCTURE AND THEY SAID THAT A LOT OF THAT IS MOSTLY BECAUSE OF SHIFTING AND THAT'S WHY THOSE CRACKS HAVE COME ABOUT.

SO THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT ANY FOUNDATION REPAIRS HAD TO BE DONE TO THE MAIN HOUSE, BUT THEY DID NOT LIKE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR MENTION OF THE EXISTING BACK STRUCTURE.

MR. CHAIR, MAY I ASK, UM, SOME QUESTIONS? UM, YOUR REQUEST IS A MULTI-STEP OR REQUIRES A MULTI-STEP REVIEW.

MM-HMM.

THAT INCLUDES DETERMINING, UM, WHETHER, UH, CONTRIBUTING FEATURES REMAIN.

IT'S STILL CONTRIBUTING, UM, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP REPLACEMENT PLANS.

AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT, THIS ISN'T JUST A LITTLE GARAGE, A LITTLE TINY THING.

THIS IS A BIG ACCESSORY UNIT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF BUILDING THERE.

MM-HMM.

AND COMMISSIONER HOLLAND'S CONCERN ABOUT, UM, UH, IF THERE'S A WAY TO, ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THE RESTORATION OR REHAB IS A, IS A REALLY GOOD, UM, PERSPECTIVE.

UH, WOULD YOU, MIGHT YOU BE INTERESTED IN, UM, ALLOWING A-D-R-C-A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SITE VISIT SO THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK? OH, PLEASE.

I REQUESTED IT MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT NOBODY CAME OUT.

I SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU NEED TO WALK IT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.

SURE, SURE.

I WOULD LOVE TO, UM, CONTINUE THE CASE, UH, UNTIL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO COME OUT ON SITE.

AND TAKE A LOOK.

WOULD YOU, YOU'RE AMENABLE TO THAT? YES, OF COURSE.

I WOULD SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.

AND, AND GO TO THE DRC.

SO WOULD YOU DO, WOULD YOU ALSO DO A, A, A, UM, CONSULT, WOULD YOU DO A MEETING AS WELL AFTERWARDS? DESIGN REVIEW AS WELL? WELL, WOULD JUST DEPEND ON WHAT OUR OBSERVATIONS THERE ON THE SITE WOULD BE.

HEARING A-H-D-R-C HEARING AGAIN UNTIL I BELIEVE, UH, JUNE 28TH, WHICH IS A FRIDAY.

SO CAN YOU PUT IT IN A FORM OF A MOTION PLEASE? SURE.

I'D LIKE TO, UM, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS CASE UNTIL AFTER A DRC SITE VISIT.

SECOND, AND THAT DRC SITE VISIT SHOULD BE SCHEDULED ASAP OR TO YOUR, TO YOUR SCHEDULE.

SURE.

NO, I'M IN THE AFTERNOON SECOND.

AND MR. CHAIR, MAY I JUST ADD SOMETHING? SURE, GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER GROUP AND I'LL, AND ALSO PUT THE MOTION.

UM, BUT JUST TO THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING AT A HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PROPERTY AND IT DOES, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU, IT WAS THERE HISTORIC AND IT'S STILL THERE.

SO I DO BELIEVE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DO A SITE VISIT AND GET AN IDEA, IS, I THINK COMMISSIONER SINA WAS REALLY TOUCHING ON TWO THINGS.

YOU KNOW, EITHER WE GO TO LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE OR WE GO TO ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND I THINK ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, BUT JUST DEMOLISHING AND TO NOT REBUILD ANYTHING IS ALWAYS HARDER.

SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DO LOOK INTO OPTIONS OF WHAT YOU WILL REPLACE IT WITH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, I'M JUST TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, NO MATTER WHAT WE SEE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS STILL HISTORIC BUILDING OR EVEN IF YOU WANNA TRY AND GET QUOTES FOR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, STABILIZE IT SO IT WORKS FOR YOU.

UM, SO, BUT IT IS STILL A HISTORIC DIS YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.

OH, I AM I ALLOWED, IS IT FOR ME? SURE.

GO AHEAD MA'AM.

OKAY, SORRY.

SO, UM, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, LOVE FOR HISTORIC PLACES, WE LIVE IN MONTE VISTA, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ENJOY OURSELVES.

AND THAT WAS EVEN AFTER HAVING GONE THROUGH ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH OUR PRIMARY RESIDENTS, WE STILL CHOSE TO BUY AGAIN IN THE, IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THAT REASON.

AND AGAIN, WE NEVER WENT IN WITH AN IDEA OR EVEN AN INTENT TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO DEMOLISH THIS.

BUT, UH, ONE OF MY CONCERNS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH AND THROUGH MULTIPLE TIMES, LIKE, OKAY, WHAT IF WE DON'T DEMOLISH? WE JUST LEAVE IT, DON'T DO ANYTHING, JUST LEAVE IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT FINANCIALLY AFFORD TO REBUILD IT.

THIS, I'VE ALREADY SPENT ENOUGH ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND THERE'S NO END TO IT RIGHT NOW.

SO, UM, IT'S JUST NOT EVEN SAFE.

IT'S NOT EVEN SAFE FOR ANYBODY TO EVEN WALK UP THERE.

PEOPLE HAVE EVEN REFUSED TO GET INTO THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE WAY IT FEELS.

AND THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, MENTION THAT YOU NEED TO COME AND LOOK AT IT, I THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PUT ALL THAT IN PERSPECTIVE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF I COULD, UH, BRIEFLY INTERRUPT.

UH, SO THE 60 DAY REVIEW FOR THIS APPLICATION IS JUNE THE 23RD.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE A

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UM, SO, UM, YOU AS THE APPLICANT, YOU COULD REQUEST A SPECIFIC HEARING DATE, UM, AND THE COMMISSION COULD ADD THAT INTO THE MOTION OTHERWISE, UH, REFERRING TO DRCS NOT ACTION ON THE APPLICATION, UH, AND THE APPLICATION WOULD BE OUTSTANDING OF THE 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD.

UH, SO THERE'S A, A HEARING ON JUNE THE 28TH.

UM, IF YOU'RE, UH, IN AGREEMENT TO RETURN TO THE COMMISSION ON JUNE 28TH, THE COMMISSION COULD SPECIFICALLY NOTE THAT IN THE MOTION.

UH, AND WE COULD RESET THIS CASE OF JUNE 28TH AND THEN HAVE THE DRC SITE VISIT BEFORE THAT DATE.

BUT CAN THAT MEETING BE DONE BEFORE, EVEN AFTER THE VISIT? YEAH, THE, THE BEFORE THE 28TH OR NOT? UH, WELL, THERE'S NOT A, THERE WOULDN'T BE A SCHEDULED HEARING UNTIL JUNE 28TH AND NOT ANOTHER HDRC HEARING.

THE SITE VISIT COULD HAPPEN.

THE SITE VISIT WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN NEXT WEEK.

UH, BUT THE NEXT HEARING, FORMAL HEARING IN THIS SETTING WOULDN'T BE UNTIL JUNE 28TH.

I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND, DO I HAVE AN OPTION FOR THAT? SO WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE HE SAYING MA'AM, IS THAT, UM, OUR HEARINGS ARE ON CERTAIN TIMES, DAYS, UHHUH, SO WE HAVE FIRST, FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAYS.

UM, AND SO, UM, THE SIXTH DAY TIME PERIOD FOR YOUR CASE EXPIRES PRIOR TO THE NEXT HEARING.

SO, UM, IF YOU'RE AMENABLE TO US, UM, YOU COMING BACK, UM, ON THE 28TH, AND WE CAN HAVE THAT IN OUR MOTION.

SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THE DRC VISIT AND THEN HAVE YOU COME BACK ON THE 28TH.

THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING.

BUT CAN YOU DO THE OTHER, LIKE YOU SAID, OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL ROSTER BEFORE THE 28TH? YES.

IT WOULD BE AN AGREED CONTINUANCE.

CORRECT.

OTHERWISE, THEY WOULD NEED TO TAKE MOTION ON YOUR APPLICATION TODAY, EITHER APPROVE OR DENY, UH, IF YOU DIDN'T AGREE TO POSTPONE UNTIL, OR TO RESET UNTIL THE 28TH, I GUESS.

I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.

MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR? YES, FOR THE APPLICANT.

GO, SIR.

UM, MS. I, I, UH, LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, I'M INCLINED TO, TO SEE THE NEED FOR THE DEMOLITION.

'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE HAS ATTEMPTED TO, UM, REPLACE WOOD THAT WAS THERE, BUT THERE'S EVIDENCE OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE SEVERE TERMITE DAMAGE THROUGHOUT THE THING, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY SET WOOD ON THE EARTH.

IT JUST GETS EATEN.

SO, BUT, BUT I WANNA ASK YOU JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE IT, WHEN I LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE, JUST THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A DICE BOX, RIGHT? YES.

, I ALSO LOOK AT IT IN AND, AND CAN SEE THAT IT'S REASONABLE TO ASK THAT I, IF YOU OWNED IT AND, AND, AND YOU LOOK AT IT, THEN YOU WOULD ASSESS ITS VALUE TO YOU AS A MM-HMM.

AS SOMETHING THAT HAS A MONETARY VALUE, RIGHT? SO, SO I I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT, THAT, THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM YOU IS THAT YOU AS THE OWNER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND WITH THE CONSULTANTS THAT YOU'VE HAD, THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY EXPLAINING TO YOU THAT IT'S A NEGATIVE VALUE IN, IN THE SENSE THAT IT MAY FALL OR IN THE SENSE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, INSPECTION ON WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE IT WORK.

THAT THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS MONEY, RIGHT? YES.

THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS MONEY.

SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO, TO GIVE BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS THE RIGHT ANSWER, AND THE RIGHT ANSWER IS MORE LIKE, WELL, IF YOU HAD A MILLION DOLLARS, WOULD YOU KEEP IT RIGHT, ? SO THE, THE, UH, I JUST WANT TO, UH, UM, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO ANSWER, WHEN YOU WALK INTO IT AND YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU OBVIOUSLY WOULD KEEP IT IF, IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE ADVISED WORKS, RIGHT? BUT, BUT YOU'RE PRETTY CONVINCED THAT THAT IT, IT'S NOT, UH, UM, ITS STRUCTURE IS NOT SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH AND THAT IT JUST, IT JUST LOOKS AND YOU'RE INFORMED THAT, THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM.

UH, YES.

AND UM, UM, SO THE DAY I WENT TO SEE THE HOUSE THE FIRST TIME WITH MY REALTOR, I WALKED IN AND THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT OLD HOMES, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THEM.

SO I LOOK AT IT, AND YOU SHOULD, I MEAN, EVEN RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WERE TO SEE THE HOUSE, IT'S LITERALLY TORN APART.

AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS WHEN WE GOT IT.

UM, AND LITERALLY RIGHT WHERE I TURNED AND I SAID, YES, WE'LL GO WITH IT.

SHE'S LIKE MY REALTOR TELLING ME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SEE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE CONDITION IT, IT IS IN.

SO YES, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NEVER OUR INTENT TO DO THAT.

UH, YOU KNOW, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHY I TURNED OUT TO BE.

UM, AND FOR, UM, STAFF, UH, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY FOR THE NEXT HEARING, YOU MENTIONED THE 28TH, WHICH IS FRIDAY, SO, UM, AND SO FRIDAY IS THE DATE OR NOT THE 26TH? UH, CORRECT.

28TH.

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SO I WOULD NEED TO MAKE HER A MOTION TO, UM, AMEND THE MOTION TO, I MEAN, ADD THAT INTO THE MOTION.

SURE.

I, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT THE CASE BE CONTINUED OKAY.

PER THE APPLICANT'S SUPPORT AND APPROVAL OF THAT AND RESCHEDULE THE CASE FOR FRIDAY, JUNE, THE 28TH HEARING.