* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. IT IS [00:00:01] ONE FIFTY FIVE, AND [Call to Order] I'M GONNA CALL TODAY'S MEETING OF THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODE APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD TO ORDER. AND LET'S GO [Roll Call] DOWN THE LINE STARTING AT THE, ALL THE WAY IN THE LEFT FOR THE ROLL CALL. UH, LIDDEL TOY MASTER SIGN ELECTRICIAN. PAT BERGER. ROLL VASQUEZ. MARK BEUS. MS. GARCIA MECHANICAL. ROBERT HANLEY, ARCHITECT. BRIAN SMITH, RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTOR. WILLIAM BURRIS, FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER. JACK UP MOORE RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTOR. OKAY. WE STAFF VERIFY WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, JUST A REMINDER TO THE BOARD BEFORE YOU SPEAK, FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UH, TO HELP WITH THE MEETING MINUTES, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME NEXT TIME WE, THE AGENDA [Approval of Minutes] IS APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES. DO WE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MEETING MINUTES? THERE BE NONE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR DISCUSSION ON THE MEETING MINUTES? UH, CHRIS, THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS. UH, I DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MEETING MINUTES, ALTHOUGH I WILL, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING WHAT THE CONTENT, UH, LATER, UM, UH, DOOR, UH, UNDER BOARD COMMENTS. OKAY. THAT WILL BE NOTED. MOVE APPROVAL OF THE, UM, APRIL 30TH, 2019 MEETING. MINUTES. SO MOVED. BRIAN, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED MINUTES ARE PASSED. NEXT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. UH, REAL QUICK, CHRIS, UH, JEREMY MCDONALD, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, CAN I GET THE NAMES AGAIN? ONCE AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE. OUR, OUR NORMAL NOTE TYPE. WHAT THE NAMES ARE YOU ASKING FOR? THE NAMES ON THE MOTION? I APOLOGIZE. CORRECT. ROBERT HANLEY MADE THE MOTION AND SMITH SECONDED IT. NEXT WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. ITEM [1. An appeal has been received to Discuss Denial/Suspension/Cancellation of Home Improvement Contractor Registration for Abel Rodriguez, FIG Custom Plumbing.] NUMBER ONE IS THE APPEAL, UH, TO DISCUSS THE DENIAL, SUSPENSION, CANCELLATION OF HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION FOR ABEL RODRIGUEZ. UH, F I G CUSTOM PLUMBING STAFF WILL PRESENT THE CASE THE APPLICANT WILL THEN PRESENT. UM, IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ANY AGENDA ITEMS TODAY? UH, REAL QUICK, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE TO THAT, LET ME SHOW THE VIDEO FOR THE TRANSLATION. OKAY. AND, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF MO UH, ITEMS TO ADDRESS REAL QUICK. OKAY. I'LL CHECK TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY, UH, CITIZENS TO BE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE, UM, VIDEO. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. AFTERNOON. JEREMY MCDONALD, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY. APOLOGIZE, I WAS NOT PRESENTING. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, ONCE AGAIN, JEREMY MCDONALD, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO THE BOARDROOM AS A WHOLE. I THINK Y'ALL PROBABLY NOTICED THE NEW CAMERAS, UH, THAT WE HAVE HAD ADDED. UH, WE ALSO ADDED A NEW, UM, SCREEN FOR, UH, MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT BOARDS THAT WE HOUSE HERE. IT'S, UH, ONE STOP, 1901 SOUTH ALAMO. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO ARE DOING A LIVE STREAM. UH, SO, UH, WANTED TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE THAT ALL, UH, CURRENTLY THIS CURRENT, UH, MEETING AND ALL FUTURE MEETINGS WILL BE LIVE STREAMED ON THE INTERNET. UH, SO JUST A KIND OF A HEADS UP ON, ON EVERYTHING WE SAY IS, IS IMMEDIATELY OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, FOR, FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. UM, AND THAT BEING SAID, IN, IN EFFORT TO, UM, PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC, UM, BEEN REQUESTED BY THE GROUP THAT'S, UH, DOING THE SOFTWARE UPGRADE, IF WE COULD SET POSITIONS FOR EVERYBODY, UH, AT, AT THE DAAS, UH, THE REASONING WOULD BE IS THEY'RE GONNA PROGRAM IT TO WHEN ANYBODY, [00:05:01] UH, HITS THE MICROPHONE TO SPEAK, IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ZOOM IN ON THEM AND PROVIDE AND, UH, AND I GUESS IN, IN THIS CASE, UM, YOU KNOW, TRADE, UH, THAT TIES THEM TO THE BOARD. UM, SO, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UM, I WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A SET, UM, LOCATION AT THE DAIS. IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS WITH THAT, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT. UM, JEREMY, IF I PUNCH THIS BUTTON THAT I'M PUNCHING RIGHT NOW, AND I'M TALKING HERE, I'M SORRY, ROBERT AINLEY. UM, IF IT'S GONNA ZOOM INTO ME, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO SIT AT THE SAME SPACE EVERY MEETING. THAT IS THE REQUEST COMING FROM, UH, THE GROUP THAT IS OVERDOING THIS. SO I'M JUST PRESENTING THAT TO Y'ALL, UH, AS A CONSIDERATION. YEAH, EXACTLY. , I, I WAS, I WAS GONNA TELL 'EM, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, YEAH. IN THE TIME WHEN I WAS IN THE BOARD, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS THE CASE, SO, OKAY. ALRIGHTY. TAKE A PICTURE OF THIS ARRANGEMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW IT IS MOST, PRETTY MUCH HOW IT IS MOST OF THE TIME. YES, SIR. OKAY. I, I DID LET 'EM KNOW. I MEAN, QUORUMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UH, OVERLY EFFECTIVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, HAVING 17 AND, AND JUST NEEDING NINE TO 10, UH, TO MEET QUORUM. SO, UH, BUT WE WILL TRY OUR BEST AND I'LL KIND OF RELAY THAT INFORMATION OVER OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, AND KIND OF GO THAT ROUTE ABOUT IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THOSE ARE ALL MY PRE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS. UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR PRESENTATION OF THE APPEAL. BRIAN SMITH. UH, JUST A RECOMMENDATION HOW YOU CAN KEEP THAT TOGETHER IS WE HAVE EACH MEETINGS IN HERE IF YOU KEEP THESE STATIONARY AND IF SOMEBODY PRIOR TO THE MEETING JUST PUTS THE NAMES WHERE WE HAVE THEM IN ORDER, NORMALLY WE'LL FIND THAT SEAT. YES, SIR. AND THAT'S ONE WAY OF DOING IT. AND THEN WE TAKE IT OUT AND PUT THE NEXT ONE IN. CORRECT. BUT THAT ALLOW, THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT KIND OF, I GUESS, REPETITION. YEAH, , THAT WAS MY APPROACH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY HAD ANY FAVORITE SEATS THAT I TOOK AWAY FROM THEM AND, AND OFFEND ANYBODY ON THE BOARD. ALRIGHT, PERFECT. ALSO, WELL, THIS, THIS , SO AT, WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN THE ALTERNATES COME UP, CORRECT? YES, SIR. EXACTLY. AND THAT, UH, IT WOULD PROBABLY TIE TO THE POSITION TYPE. UM, AND THEN ALTERNATES WOULD JUST SIT WHERE THEIR PRIMARIES WOULD NORMALLY SIT AND WE'D JUST SWAP OUT THE NAME TAG AND I WOULD LET, UH, STAFF KNOW SO THAT THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO HAVE TWO QUEUES SET UP. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, I'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, PRESENTATION. UH, AGENDA NUMBER ONE IS AN APPEAL. UH, THE APPEAL INVOLVES A 30 DAY SUSPENSION OF HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION LICENSE FROM MR. UH, ABEL R RODRIGUEZ WITH F I G CUSTOM PLUMBING. UH, HE WAS SUSPENDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROVISIONS OUTLINED IN SECTION TEN EIGHT ONE EIGHTEEN E OF THE CITY'S CODE. THIS IS THE APPEAL APPLICATION RECEIVED, UH, FOR MR. RODRIGUEZ. UH, HIS STATEMENT FOR THE APPEAL IS DUE TO CONTRACTOR NOT HAVING FUNDS. F I G ONLY PULLED THE PERMITS NEEDED, BUT DID NOT INITIATE PLUMBING OR GAS SYSTEM. THE ONLY WORK DONE WAS THE BREAKING CONCRETE ENTRENCH OF THE KITCHEN ISLAND. ANY OTHER SCOPE OF WORK? F I G PLUMBING DID NOT HAVE PUT PART IN IT, SIR ROBERT HANLEY TRANSLATE THAT. I WAS, THAT'S, I'M JUST SETTING THAT UP. BUT I WILL, UH, GO THROUGH KIND OF OUR PROCESS AND THEN OF COURSE, ANY, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THE, THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE, UH, TO PROVIDE ANY MORE TRANSLATION. I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH, I'M JUST KIND OF GOING OVER WHAT HE USED AS HIS APPEAL. UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, I THINK EVERYBODY'S KINDA AWARE FROM WHEN WE ARE ADOPTING THE CODE. UH, CHAPTER 10 CITY DOES NOT ISSUE LICENSES. WE ISSUE REGISTRATIONS. UM, EACH TRADE AND BUILDING CONTRACTOR HAVE VARIOUS STATE ENTITIES THAT REQUIRE HOW THEY APPROACH THEIR TRADE AND WHAT LICENSES THE STATE REQUIRES. UH, SO PLUMBING DOES HAVE SET GUIDELINES THAT DETERMINE WHAT LICENSES ARE REQUIRED AND HOW MUNICIPALITIES CAN REGISTER THOSE TRADES. SO WHEN WE REFERENCE THE, OUR CHAPTER 10 10 DASH ONE 18 A, UH, TALKS ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY NEED TO PRESENT FOR THIS MUNICIPALITY SPECIFICALLY IN RE IN ADDITION TO, UH, THE STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR LICENSE AND IN THE PLUMBING TRADE. UH, BUT IT ALSO REFERENCES, UH, THE TEXAS BOARD OF FOR PLUMBERS REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS AND LICENSING REQUIREMENTS. UM, AND THAT SPECIFIES THAT THEY GET REGISTERED WITH THE CITIES THAT ARE GONNA BE, IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY. SO MISSED VALUE. SO THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE, UH, REVOKING AND ALLOWING. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT KIND OF THAN OUR GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND OUR RESIDENTIAL HOME IMPROVEMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. REGISTRATION, WHICH THEIR ONLY REGISTRATION AND LICENSING IS SPECIFICALLY THE REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO [00:10:01] PLUMBING IS WE JUST REGISTER ANY LICENSED, UH, STATE OF TEXAS PLUMBER. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE REGISTRATION PROCESS FOR THE PLUMBING. UM, CURRENTLY WHAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WAS IN AN EFFORT, UH, FOR THE, TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND HIS DESIGNEE TAKING AN ACTIVE ROLE TO ENSURE THAT ALL PERFORM ALL WORK PERFORMED IS DONE SO BY LICENSED AND REGISTERED CONTRACTORS, THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS PULLING ALL REQUIRED PERMITS FOR THE SCOPE OF WORK PERFORMED, AND THAT ALL WORK PERFORMED IS INSPECTED AND MEETS ALL ADAPTIVE CODES. UM, AND THE ACTIVE ROLE THAT WE'RE TAKING IS, UH, HAVING INVESTIGATORS GO OUT AND ACTIVELY LOOK FOR HOMES THAT ONE ARE NOT PULLING PERMITS, UH, OR IF THEY ARE PULLING PERMITS, NOT CALLING FOR INSPECTIONS AND CLOSING OUT THOSE PERMITS, UH, PRIOR TO COMPLETING THE WORK. UH, SO THERE IS A TEAM, UM, BUILT INTO THE INSPECTIONS GROUP THAT IS ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR THAT. UH, SO THIS ACTIVE ROLE INCLUDES THE INVESTIGATION OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE SUSPECTED OF HAVING WORK DONE EITHER AND WITHOUT A PERMIT OR WITHOUT INSPECTIONS OF THE WORK COMPLETED DURING THESE INVESTIGATIONS, UH, WE HAD A CERTAIN CONTRACTOR THAT WE WERE INVESTIGATING ON MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. UH, THE BUILDING OFFICIALS DESIGNEE WERE INVESTIGATING PROJECTS COMPLETED BY A CONTRACTOR THAT LISTED MR. RODRIGUEZ'S STATE OF TEXAS MASTER'S PLUMBER'S LICENSE AS THE IN-HOUSE PLUMBER FOR ALL WORK FORMED. SO, UH, THE PRESENTATION THAT THIS GENERAL CONTRACTOR WAS PRESENTING ON HIS WEBSITE AND TO HIS CLIENTS, UH, WAS THAT ALL OF THE TRADES WORKED DIRECTLY FOR HIM. THEY WERE NOT SUBCONTRACTORS AS THIS IS A, A DIRECT SCREENSHOT FROM HIS WEBSITE. SO NOBODY IS A SUBCONTRACTOR, BUT PRESENTED AS AN A DIRECT EMPLOYEE OF THAT COMPANY. UH, AND THEN THE ASSOCIATED LICENSES, UH, MR. UH, RODRIGUEZ IS LICENSE IS THE ONE, UH, FOR MASTER PLUMMER REFERENCED HERE. UH, THIS INVESTIGATION ON THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, AN INSPECTOR RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM A HOMEOWNER ON JUNE 3RD, 2019 AFTER HER RESEARCH FOUND THAT PERMITS WERE NOT OBTAINED ON HER PROPERTY AT 31 0 3 MANILA BY THE CONTRACTORS HIRED BY THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR. UNDER INVESTIGATION, AN EMAIL WAS SENT FROM THE HOMEOWNERS SHOWING CONTRACT TERMS AND WEBPAGE ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR. SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF THE OTHER ONES WE'RE APPROACHING IN. THAT CITIZEN ACTUALLY CAME TO US. UM, SO WE WERE OUT INVESTIGATING, I THINK SHE FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT, BUT ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO OUR INSPECTORS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY THIS ADDRESS. UM, THE HOMEOWNER ALSO PROVIDED PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN ON MAY 28TH, 2019, THAT SHOW THE WORK WAS BEING COMPLETED WITHOUT A PERMIT. THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED. UM, LEMME KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS A KITCHEN ISLAND AND SOME PLUMBING THAT'S BEING DONE. UM, THE TIMESTAMP OF THAT PICTURE SHOWS IT TO BEING TAKEN ON MAY 28TH, 2019. UH, GENERAL PLUMBING PERMIT WAS PULLED BY F I G CUSTOM PLUMBING ON MAY 30TH, 2019. UH, WHAT WE HAVE IS THE ADDRESS, UH, THE DATE BEING PROCESSED OF JUNE 30TH, 2019. THIS IS SCREENSHOTS FROM OUR, UH, PERMITTING SOFTWARE HANSSEN, THE ABEL RODRIGUEZ WITH F I G CUSTOM PLUMBING IS THE APPLICANT FOR THAT PERMIT. UM, AND THE PERMIT CLASS IS GENERAL PLUMBING. UH, GAS PLUMBING PERMIT WAS PULLED BY F I G CUSTOM PLUMBING ON MAY 30TH, 2019. UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE THE PROCESS DATE OF JUNE, UH, MAY 30TH, THE APPLICANT BEING ABEL RODRIGUEZ WITH F I G CUSTOM PLUMBING AND THE PERMIT CLASS BEING A GAS PERMIT. UM, SO THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE APPLICANT'S, UM, APPEAL PROCESS SAYING THAT HE DID NOT DO ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO PLUMBING AND GAS. UH, ALL HE DID WAS A TRENCH. UM, SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT YES, THERE IS A TRENCH. UM, IF YOU'LL GO UP TWO MORE, UH, BACK UP. UH, I'M SORRY, GO BACK DOWN. SO THIS IS OUR PICTURES THAT WE SAW THAT WE TOOK PERSONALLY ON JUNE 7TH. SO AFTER BEING CONTACTED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, THE HOMEOWNER, WE DID GO OUT THERE OURSELVES. SO THESE ARE PICTURES THAT WE TOOK, UH, BY OUR INSPECTORS ON JUNE 7TH. SO THIS IS AFTER THE PERMIT WAS PULLED, BUT WE SHOW, WE HAVE SHOWN PROOF FROM THE HOMEOWNER THAT THE WORK WAS DONE PRIOR TO THE PERMITS BEING PULLED ON JUNE ON MAY 30TH. SO WE HAVE PICTURES SAYING MAY 28TH, SHOWING ABOUT THE SAME LEVEL OF EFFORT COMPLETED ON MAY 28TH. THAT WAS PERMITTED, UH, BASED ON THE APPLICATIONS RECEIVED FROM THE CONTRACTOR ON MAY 30TH. UH, AND THEN WE WENT OUT THERE AND VERIFIED WHAT WAS COMPLETED ON JUNE 7TH. UM, SO WE CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS SOME TRENCHING DONE IN THE PICTURE, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO HAVE TOP OUT AND ROUGH IN, SORRY, BRIAN SMITH, THE PREVIOUS PICTURE YOU HAD ON MAY 28TH, WAS THERE ANY CHANGE IN THE PICTURES FROM THE INSPECTOR TO THE PRIOR PICTURE? UH, FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL, UH, IF THERE'S ANY, IT'S VERY MINIMAL. [00:15:02] THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS. THE, THE, THE PICTURE YOU'RE SHOWING HERE. AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT ONE, UH, IS SHOWING ELECTRICAL, UH, WHERE THERE ARE ELECTRICAL PERMITS PULLED. AND WERE THEY VALID? UM, AT THE TIME OF OUR INVESTIGATION ON JUNE 7TH, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD POOLED PERMITS. UH, BUT THE APPLICANT DID SPECIFY THAT, UH, ALL THE TRADES WERE WORKING IN HER HOUSE. SO GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND, UH, VARIOUS TRADES, UH, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING. I'M NOT SURE IF MECHANICAL WAS, UM, BUT WE'VE ADDRESSED EACH OF THE DIFFERENT APPLICANTS. THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS APPEALED IS THE PLUMBING. UH, SO THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE READILY AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW. BUT IF Y'ALL NEED ANY FURTHER INFORMATION, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE MY STAFF REACH OUT AND GET THAT. GOTCHA. UH, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR THE WORK BEING PERFORMED AT 31 0 3 MANILA, MET WITH INSPECTORS ON JULY 2ND, 2019, AND CONFIRMED THAT MR. RODRIGUEZ WITH F I G CUSTOM PLUMBING WAS THE PLUMBING CONTRACTOR FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, STATED THAT HE WAS THE CONTRACTOR THAT HE USES FOR ALL OF HIS PROJECTS, WHICH INCLUDES A LOT OF THE ONES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING AS WELL. UH, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE ADDRESS, UH, WE'RE APPEALING OR THE APPLICANT IS APPEALING FOR TODAY, UH, WHICH WAS USED FOR HIS DENIAL OF REG OR SUSPENSION OF REGISTRATION, UM, ON AS WELL AS OTHER PROPERTIES. UNDER INVESTIGATION, MR. RODRIGUEZ MET WITH INSPECTORS ON JULY 9TH OR 19TH, 2019, AND CONFIRMED THAT HE SIGNED THE APPLICATION FOR THE PLUMBING PERMIT FOR 31 0 3 MANILA THAT WAS ISSUED ON MAY 30TH. SO, UH, HE DID COME IN. WE DID PRESENT THE APPLICATION THAT WAS, UM, PULLED BOTH THE GAS AND THE GENERAL PLUMBING PERMITS FOR THE ADDRESS ON MAY 30TH, AND HE DID CONFIRM THAT HE DID SIGN THOSE APPLICATIONS. UM, MR. RODRIGUEZ'S REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS SUSPENDED FOR A 30 DAY PERIOD, UH, BEGINNING EFFECTIVE JULY 22ND, 2019. UM, THIS IS ALL STEMMING DIRECTLY FROM THE 31 0 3 MANILA PROJECT ONLY. UH, THERE IS OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING. UH, THIS IS THE REGISTRATION, UH, SUSPENSION LETTER THAT WAS SENT OUT TO MR. ABEL OR MR. RODRIGUEZ. UH, THIS IS A STATEMENT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. UH, SO AS, AS WE MENTIONED, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF OUR INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE ONE THAT REACHED OUT TO US. UM, WE INFORMED THEM THAT OF THE SUSPENSION AND ALSO OF THE APPEAL. AND WE RECEIVED THIS STATEMENT SHE ALLOWED ME TO PRESENT REGARDING THE APPEAL. WE ARE CERTAIN THE BOARD WILL COME TO THE DECISION THEY FEEL BEST. HOWEVER, WE DO FEEL THAT REINSTATEMENT OF THE CONTRACTOR IN QUESTION WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO. THE DECEPTIVE PRACTICES ENGAGED BY THE CONTRACTOR SHOW A MARKED LACK OF MORAL CODE. THE CONTRACTOR FAILED TO MEET THE TERMS OF OUR CONTRACT BY FAILING TO KEEP HIS CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. IN GOOD STANDING, HE ATTEMPTED TO WORK UNPERMITTED AND TRIED HIS BEST TO DISSUADE US. HIS CLIENTS FROM INQUIRING ABOUT PERMITS ONLY AFTER TELLING THESE BEST IN THESE INDIVIDUALS TO CEASE WORK WERE PERMITS APPLIED FOR, AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ELECTRICAL, THE PERMITS WERE OBTAINED BY INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE NOT PERFORMING THE WORK FURTHER, ANY WORK THAT WAS COMPLETED AT OUR PROPERTY WAS NOT DONE TO CODE INDICATING THE FUTURE PROJECTS TAKEN ON BY THIS COMPANY WILL LIKELY FOLLOW SUIT. THE LUCK, THE LACK OF ADHERING TO CURRENT BUILDING STANDARDS SERVES AS A SAFETY RISK TO CLIENTS AND CREATES MORE FINANCIAL STRESS THAN WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR OUR PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED AND HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO MOVE INTO OUR PROPERTY THUS FAR DUE TO OUR UNFORTUNATE DEALINGS WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL. MOREOVER, MOREOVER, FIXING THE ISSUES CREATED BY THIS COMPANY'S SUBSTANDARD PRACTICES AS A RESULTED IN COST HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL BID. AGAIN, NO MATTER THE DECISION. THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR YOUR HELP WITH THIS MATTER. WE HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTINGLY BUSY, BUT WE SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO TAKE CALLS TOMORROW. SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR UPDATES? I DO WANT TO PUT A CAVEAT. THE THE CONTRACTOR SHE'S REFERENCING HERE IS HER DIRECT CONTRACTOR, WHICH IS THE, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, UM, THAT HIRED THE SUBS. UH, SO I DO WANT Y'ALL TO BE AWARE THAT THIS ISN'T A DIRECT TO THE APPEALANT. UM, IT IS HER DIRECT CONTRACT WITH THE, UH, GENERAL CONTRACTOR. UH, SO THOSE ARE THE, HER WORDS FOR THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR. BUT, UH, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT, UH, PROJECTS WE TAKE ON AND WHICH CONTRACTORS WE WORK FOR AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I DID WANT Y'ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT. THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS. UM, SO JEREMY, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY THAT THIS CONTRACTOR, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, AND SOME OF THE OTHER SUBS ARE ALSO UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR ON THIS PROPERTY AND OTHER PROPERTIES? THAT IS CORRECT. UM, LET ME, I'LL CONFIRM TO SEE IF ANY OTHER SUSPENSIONS HAVE BEEN, UH, SENT OUT BASED ON THESE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS. HELLO, MY NAME IS JOSEPH BEAL, COMBINATION INSPECTOR FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, THE CONTRACTOR THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING OF, MOSES GENERAL CONTRACTING, HE'S BEEN CANCELED FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO [00:20:01] NO LONGER TO DO BUSINESS. IN SUMMARY, MR. ABEL R RODRIGUEZ, WITH F I G CUSTOM PLUMBING PERFORMED WORK AT 31 0 3 MANILA PRIOR TO PULLING PLUMBING PERMIT. AND HIS REGISTRATION HAS SUSPENDED FOR 30 DAY PRIOR PERIOD, EFFECTIVE JULY 22ND, 2019. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? JEREMY LIDDELL TOY? UM, DID ANY, ANY OF THE PLUMBING INSPECTORS INSPECT THE WORK THAT HE DID AFTER HE PULLED THE PERMIT? NO INSPECTIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AT THIS TIME. SO YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IF, IF THEY'VE BEEN DONE TO CODE? NO, SIR. JEREMY ROBERT HENLEY, UH, TO FOLLOW UP WITH LIDDELL'S QUESTIONS, DID THEY EVEN CALL FOR INSPECTIONS ON THE PLUMBING WORK? NO. AT THIS TIME, UH, NO INSPECTIONS HAVE BEEN CALLED ON THOSE PERMITS. UM, BUT ALSO DURING THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, UM, SUSPENSION PERIOD, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO PULL PERMITS, WORK ON THAT. AND ANY OR CURRENTLY PERMITTED PROJECTS ARE CALL FOR AN INSPECTIONS. UH, UH, CHRIS GARCIA, SO LEMME GET THIS STRAIGHT. YOU GOT A NOTIFICATION FROM THE HOMEOWNER AND IT WAS AFTER THAT NOTIFICATION THAT THE ANY PERMITS WERE ACTUALLY FILED? CORRECT. THE PERMITS WERE ACTUALLY PULLED BEFORE WE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION. SO WE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION ON JUNE 7TH. OH, CORRECT. SO, AND THE INFORMATION WE'RE GOING OFF OF IS THE, THE HOMEOWNER TELLING US THAT WORK WAS BEING PERFORMED. SHE WAS ACTIVELY WORKING TO GET THEM TO PULL PERMITS AND THEY NEVER DID. THEY FINALLY DID. UM, AND OUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT WAS FROM KNOWLEDGE THAT THE HOMEOWNER IS LOOKING AND, AND PUSHING THAT THEY PULLED THESE PERMITS KNOWING THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO BE ENGAGED IF NOT ENGAGED ALREADY. OKAY. OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT THE HOMEOWNER REACHED OUT AND SAID, HEY, THERE'S NO PERMITS. AND THEN THEY FOUND OUT THAT, I GUESS, THAT THEY HAD CONTACTED YOU GUYS AND THEY STARTED PULLING OUT THE PERMITS, CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. I MEAN, BEFORE SHE HAD A CHANCE TO CONTACT US, THEY DID START PULLING THE PERMITS, BUT WE DO HAVE, BASED ON HER PICTURES EVIDENCE THAT THE, THE PHOTO THAT'S RIGHT. THE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE THAT CORRECT. THE HOMEOWNER TOOK BEFORE SHOWING THAT THE WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN PERFORMED. CORRECT. OKAY. SOME LEVEL OF WORK EFFORT? YES. AND, AND THE LETTER FROM THE HOMEOWNER THAT WAS DIRECTED MORE TO THE GENERAL, CORRECT. WELL, SHE GAVE US MULTIPLES. WE WERE REFERENCING THIS ONE BECAUSE IT, IT HIGHLIGHTS THE, UH, PLUMBING ASPECT OF THE, OF THE PROJECT. AND ONCE AGAIN, MOSTLY WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE APPEAL OF THE PLUMBING CONTRACTOR. THE PLUMBING ASPECT, YES. OKAY. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE YET TO SEE ANY REPEAL, UH, AN APPEAL FOR THE SUSPENSION OR ACTUALLY, UM, UM, TERMINATION OF THE CONTRACTOR'S REGISTRATION. UH, ROBERT HANLEY, JEREMY, UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE ACTION THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN IS SUSPENDED, UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ'S, UM, REGISTRATION FOR 30 DAYS. UM, IS THAT THE LIMITS OF THE PUNISHMENT OR ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS? SO, UM, IN THE OTHER CHAPTERS, UH, THAT SPECIFY THE DIFFERENT TRADES, UM, THIS ONE WE DON'T REALLY GO INTO DETAIL BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE PLUMBING, UM, STATE REQUIREMENTS. UH, BUT WE DO HAVE, THE MORE DETAILED OF 30 DAYS IS ACTUALLY, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS, 30 DAYS IS, IS THE MINIMUM THAT WE ALLOW. UH, AND THEN IT GOES THIRTY, SIXTY, NINETY, A HUNDRED EIGHTY, AND THEN, UH, COMPLETE DENIAL OR, OR, UH, CANCELLATION OF A REGISTRATION. UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE MOST, MORE MINIMAL, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR, FOR SUSPENSION. ROBERT, ANY FOLLOW UP? SO THIS MINIMUM, UM, UH, IS 30 DAYS COMES FROM CITY STAFF RECOMMENDATION, A 30 DAYS MINIMUM. THAT IS CORRECT. UH, BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS ONLY REFERENCING THIS ONE, UH, PERMIT AND INSTANCE. UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE DO HAVE OTHER INVESTIGATIONS OPEN, WHICH, UH, THE APP APPEAL APPELLANT IS AWARE OF. OKAY. JEREMY WILLIAM BURRIS. SO DO I UNDERSTAND THAT AT THE END OF THE 30 DAYS, WHICH IS PLUS OR MINUS AUGUST 22ND, UH, THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE GIVEN THEIR REGISTRATION BACK AND CAN CONTINUE WORK? OR ARE THERE OTHER INVESTIGATIONS ON OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE STILL HOLDING UP REINITIATING THEIR REGISTRATION. THE OTHER INVESTIGATIONS WILL NOT HOLD UP RECEIVING BACK HIS REGISTRATION UNLESS WE ADDITIONALLY SUSPEND BEFORE HIS REGISTRATION IS RENEWED. SO IF WE REACH THAT AUGUST 22ND, 21ST DATE AND NO NEW SUSPENSIONS HAVE BEEN ADDED, OR, OR IF AN EXTENSION HAS NOT BEEN, UH, PLACED BASED ON THOSE OTHER IN, UH, INVESTIGATIONS, THEN HE WOULD RECEIVE HIS REGISTRATION BACK IN FULL DEL TOY. UH, JEREMY, HOW LONG HAS THIS CONTRACTOR BEEN [00:25:01] REGISTERED WITH THE CITY? UM, I CAN RESEARCH THAT AND GET YOU A QUICK ANSWER ON THAT. MORE THAN FIVE YEARS, ROUGHLY. DOES ANYBODY KNOW ANY, UM, HOLD ON, HOLD ON HERE, MR. YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE STILL THE, YEAH, I'M SORRY. YEAH. UM, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. REAL QUICK. WE WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, SIR, WHAT'S GONNA, WE'RE STILL ASKING THE STAFF QUESTIONS, AND SO YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO PRESENT YOUR CASE. YOU'RE THE APPLICANT, CORRECT? YES. YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE THE CHANCE TO PRESENT. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS TO THE STAFF, BUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR OFFERING YOUR ANSWER. YEAH. YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND. UM, BUT JUST, UM, I DO HAVE STAFF LETTING ME KNOW THAT IT, THAT IT APPEARS THAT AT LEAST MORE THAN FIVE YEARS, UM, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE. I'D BE HAPPY TO RESEARCH IT OR IF Y'ALL WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THE APPLICANT. OH, YEAH, WE CAN TALK TO WHEN, YEAH. OKAY. HAS THERE ANY BEEN ANY OTHER INFRACTIONS WITH THIS COMPANY AT ALL? NOT, UH, NOT AS THAT WE'VE, UH, FOUND SO FAR EXCEPT FOR THE STUFF THAT WE'RE UNDER INVESTIGATION, BUT NOTHING FORMALLY ANY FURTHER BOARD QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF NOT, UH, NEXT WE CAN HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT NAME'S ABEL, UH, OWNER OF F H F I G, CUSTOM PLUMBING. THANK YOU. AND, UH, CAN YOU GIVE US AN ADDRESS ALSO FOR THE RECORD? MY SHOP ADDRESS IS 1723 CAPITAL. UH, I HAD A PREVIOUS ADDRESS OF, UH, 95 75 NEW WORLD, WHERE I STARTED, STARTED HOME. OKAY. GO AHEAD AND, UH, GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOUR YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY AND LET US ANSWERING HIS QUESTION. YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN DOING PLUMBING FOR, UH, 30 YEARS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, UH, BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 10, 12, UM, BEEN GROWING. I DO A LOT OF COMMERCIAL, UH, A LOT OF COMMERCIAL REPAIRS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, LIKE WALGREENS, WALMARTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, NEW HOTELS THAT DO, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE, THE STATE, UH, STARTED GETTING INTO THE REMODELS, YOU KNOW, UH, EVENTUALLY BEEN A BAD DEAL BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, HAVING ISSUES LIKE THIS. UH OH, ALRIGHT. I JUST HAVE A LITTLE TONE. SO, . BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I'VE DONE NUMEROUS OF, UH, COMMERCIAL JOBS AND STUFF. UH, THIS CONTRACTOR, I DO MAYBE TWO OR THREE, UH, JOBS A YEAR, SO I DON'T REALLY TALK TO THEM. I SEND MY, MY LEAD PLUMBER OUT THERE AND STUFF, AND HE'S THE ONE THAT GIVES ME, UH, LETS ME KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, GIVES OUT BIDS FOR ME, TURNS THEM INTO THE OFFICE, AND WE'LL MOVE SO FORTH. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I, I SPECIALIZE ON BIGGER PROJECTS. UH, THAT'S WHERE MY MONEY COMES FROM. UH, AND I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE INTERNET THAT HE, HE WAS USING MY, MY LICENSE ON THE INTERNET. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL I WAS CALLED IN, YOU KNOW, BY THE INSPECTORS. UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA GIMME A LAWYER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S WRONG AND IT'S CAUSING A LOT OF PROBLEMS HERE. SO IF Y'ALL NEED TO KNOW ALL THAT STUFF, IT'S, OH, YES. WELL, CAN, CAN, CAN YOU KINDA GIVE US, AND I, SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE, OR CAN YOU KINDA GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT? OF THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT? YES. UM, WELL, LIKE, I, LIKE I MENTIONED IN MY APPEAL, UH, I WAS ONLY CALLED IN, UH, TO GET A PERMIT FOR THAT HOUSE. SO WE, AFTER WE HAD, UH, ALREADY AGREED ON THE PRICE AND STUFF, UH, AFTER I PULLED OUT MY PERMIT AND STUFF, UH, I KNOW THE CONTRACTOR WAS GONNA GET IT, SOME OF HIS LABORS AND STUFF. SO I HAD SENT MY PLUMBER UP THERE TO GO MARK, UH, HE WENT TO GO MARK THE FLOOR, THE CONCRETE AND STUFF. SO THEY, THEY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT BROKE IT OUT AND CLEARED IT UP. AFTER THAT POINT, WE GOT A PHONE CALL SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, DON'T GO BACK. UH, I HAVEN'T GOT PAID OR WHATNOT, WHATEVER PROBLEMS HE HAD, YOU KNOW? AND AFTER THAT, I JUST STOPPED TO WORK THERE. SO I HAVEN'T, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY UP THERE, I HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN UP THERE MYSELF. UM, AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO IT. THOSE PICTURES WERE YOU SEE PLUMBING STUFF, I HAD NO IDEA, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ALREADY PLUMBED IN, YOU KNOW, UM, I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. I, I, I'VE BEEN PLUMBING FOR A LONG TIME AND I GET PERMITS FOR EVERYTHING. I'M NOT TRYING TO GO UNDERNEATH ANYBODY. I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON FOR THAT. UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING, SO I DON'T HAVE TO BE HIDING TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THROUGH INSPECTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHEN I KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, AND HOW TO DO MY WORK. [00:30:01] BUT YEAH, THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE LEARNED THAT, YOU KNOW, MY LICENSE WAS UNDER HIS WEBSITE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I'M, UH, GETTING ME AN ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, FOR GETTING HIM FOR LIABLE, UH, SLANDER OR WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO, UH, BECAUSE CAUSING ME A LOT OF PAIN HERE. THANK YOU. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, LIDDEL TOY. SO YOU PULLED THE PERMIT FOR THE CONTRACTOR WITHOUT EVEN GOING TO LOOK AT THE JOB? OH, MY PLUMBER WAS ALREADY THERE AND WE GAVE HIM THE ESTIMATE AND ONCE WE AGREED ON IT, UH, YEAH, THEN WE, THAT'S WHEN WE PROCEEDED TO GET THE, THE JOB DONE OR STARTED. BUT YEAH, I DO HAVE MY PLUMBER THAT GOES UP THERE AND STUFF WHEN I'M NOT HERE AND MY LEAD PLUMBER GOES, CHECKS IT OUT, UH, TELLS ME, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S GONNA BE 20 FEET, WHATEVER IT IS, 15 FEET, YOU KNOW, OF CONCRETE BRAKING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RUN AN ISLAND TO THE SINK. HE TELLS ME ALL THAT STUFF. SO THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR DID THE WORK, YOU DIDN'T DO ANY OF IT? I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, YEAH, MY PLUMBER, YOU WANT, SO THERE WAS NO ONSITE SUPERVISION. MY, MY PLUMBER WAS UP THERE WHERE HE WENT TO GO MARK ALL THIS STUFF. SO WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS PULL THE PERMIT AT THE VERY BEGINNING? THEY PULL IT. THAT'S WHEN I, WHEN I DID IT, THAT'S WHEN WE PUT IT, YOU KNOW, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THE PLUMBERS. THE ONLY THING THAT WAS, THAT WAS GETTING DONE BEFORE THE PERMIT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE MARKING OF THE SPRAY, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHEN HE WENT UP THERE AND STARTED BREAKING AND STUFF. BUT I NEVER WENT UP THERE TO GO DO ANY PLUMBING. WHO DID THAT? PLUMBING? I'M NOT SURE. UM, I, I NEVER WENT TO GO SEE THAT JOB. SO YOU AS A CONTRACTOR OF RECORD OR RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? I AM, REGARDLESS. YEAH, REGARDLESS, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. AND I SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. YEAH. I, I, LIKE I SAID, I GET A LOT OF JOBS. I GET A LOT OF WORK AND I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT PLACES AND STUFF. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M DOING A HOTEL IN FORT WORTH RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, I LEAVE MAYBE ONCE A WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, BUT REAL SMALL JOB THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULDN'T RISK ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR A LITTLE JOB LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WHERE I MAKE MY LIVING OFF OF THOSE. UM, THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS. SO THE PICTURES THAT WE SAW PRESENTED BY THE CITY, UH, FOR THE ISLAND, UH, HAD PLUMBING IN IT. THERE WERE P V C PIPE. CORRECT. AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU DIDN'T DO THAT, YOUR STAFF DID NOT DO THAT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO DID THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. ONLY VIDEO THAT I HAVE WAS WHEN MY PLUMBER WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN THEY WERE CLEANING OUT THE TRENCH AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH I PRESENTED IT TO. UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN HAVE MY PHONE REAL QUICK. UH, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE VIDEO PRIOR, BUT WE'LL DO, UH, IT'S A SMALL VIDEO. WE'LL, WE'LL DO THE, UH, DOCK CAM AND, UH, I CAN ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. THAT VIDEO WAS TAKEN BY MY PLUMBER, UH, WHEN THEY WERE CLEANING IT UP, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, YOU KNOW, NAME, I'M NOT SURE BRIAN SMITH. WHAT IS THE TIME DATE STAMP FOR THAT VIDEO? I'M NOT SURE. HE, HE FORWARDED TO ME, UH, SOMETIME THIS WEEK. UH, I, I WAS ASKING HIM FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU'VE DONE. AND HE SAID THAT'S ALL THAT, THAT'S ALL WE, UH, UH, MARKED IN WHATEVER THE TRENCH. IT'S, WE HAVEN'T GONE BACK, YOU KNOW, EVER SINCE HE, YOU TOLD US NOT TO GO BACK. SO, YOU KNOW, UM, ROBERT HANLEY, MR. RODRIGUEZ, IN THAT VIDEO THAT WE JUST SAW, I JUST SAID ROBERT HANLEY. OKAY. JUST CHECKING THE, UH, MAN WORKING IN THE TRENCH AND THE ACTUAL CUTTING OF THE TRENCH WAS NOT DONE BY YOUR COMPANY AT ALL? NO, SIR. THANK YOU. IT WAS A, A MARKING ORDER. THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, SOMEWHERE PLUS OR MINUS AUGUST 22ND, YOU'LL RECEIVE YOUR REGISTRATION BACK AGAIN, BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT NOW IMMEDIATELY. WHAT? AND AND THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. SECOND QUESTION. THE CITY APPARENTLY HAS, UH, OTHER INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON EITHER WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR OR THE OTHER SUBS, MAYBE INCLUDING YOU. ARE THERE, IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THOSE INVESTIGATIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RESUS SUSPEND YOUR LICENSE AFTER [00:35:01] AUGUST 22ND? OH, I HOPE NOT. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CLEARED IT UP AND THAT MET WITH MR. KY AND, UH, JOSEPH HERE ON OTHER PROJECTS AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE SAME HEADACHE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, I JUST GOT INTO THESE REMODELS AND I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GONNA BE A BIG OLD PAIN, YOU KNOW, ON THIS. UH, AND HOW THESE CONTRACTORS ARE ACTING UP, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AGAINST SUBS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM SOMETHING AND PUSH IT TO SOMEONE ELSE. UH, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME, SO, UH, ALL THIS HAS JUST CAUSED A LOT OF PAIN, YOU KNOW, FOR ME TO, UH, GETTING, GETTING INSPECTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING OTHER PERMITS. I'VE ALREADY LOST, UH, A COUPLE JOBS THAT I HAVE TO FULL PERMITS THIS WEEK, UH, ALONE JUST BECAUSE OF THIS. UH, SO THIS MAN HAS CAUSED A LOT OF PAIN FOR IT, YOU KNOW? UM, AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT YES, I TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS HOLD OFF. UH, SO I COULD KEEP ON MOVING AND WORKING AND STUFF. UH, JACK UP MORE. I HAVE A QUESTION OVER HERE FOR YOU. UH, SO THE OTHER ISSUES YOU'RE HAVING THAT THEY'RE UNDER INVESTIGATION, ARE THEY WITH THE SAME GENERAL CONTRACTOR OR DIFFERENT GENERAL, GENERAL CONTRACTOR? DIFFERENT, THEY'RE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THEY'RE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS AS, BUT, UH, MR. ROGER CAN, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GIVE US KIND OF LIKE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A BASIC TIMELINE OF LIKE, WHEN, WHEN YOU GOT CONTACTED BY THIS CONTRACTOR, WHEN YOU SENT, UM, YOUR, YOUR LEAD PLUMBER OUT THERE TO JUST KIND OF GET AN IDEA? THE SCOPE OF THE WORK? IT WAS A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE I PULLED UP PERMIT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, UH, OKAY. YEAH, WE GOT A PHONE CALL AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEN WE SENT OUR PLUMBER UP THERE AND THAT'S WHEN HE STARTED, YOU KNOW, HE SAW THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS GONNA GET NEEDED AND STUFF. UM, BUT BRIAN SMITH, JUST REAL QUICK QUESTION THOUGH. WE WE'RE SEEING THE TIME DATE STAMPED ON THE 28TH, WHICH WAS TWO DAYS BEFORE YOU PULLED THE PERMIT, BUT IT SHOWS THERE ALL THE CONCRETE HAD BEEN FLOATED AND DONE THAT VIDEO THERE BEFORE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT WAS BEFORE THEN. IT WAS BEFORE THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT WE DIDN'T START ANY PLUMBING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT I DIDN'T, I MEAN, IF YOUR PLUMBER, YOUR GUY WAS THERE TAKING A PICTURE THERE, I MEAN, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A TRENCH OPEN THERE WITHOUT TYING INTO ANY GAS OR PLUMBING LINES THAT BY THE 28TH OR BY THE TI BEFORE YOU PULLED THE PERMIT WAS ALREADY DONE? YEAH, WELL, I, I, I DIDN'T OWN NONE OF THAT STUFF, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GONNA GET PLUMB OR IT WAS PLUMBED OR NOT. YOU KNOW, THAT VIDEO MUST HAVE BEEN BEFORE THAT. UH, WHEN I SENT HIM OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN HE WAS DONE AFTER WE, AFTER THAT WAS DONE, WE DIDN'T GO BACK. UM, BUT THEY DID CALL THE OFFICE IF THEY NEEDED THE PERMIT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY WERE GONNA CONTINUE TO GO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING I NEVER HEARD. SO WHY WOULD YOU PULL A PERMIT IF YOU DIDN'T DO THE WORK? BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND, UH, AFTER I DID PULL THE PERMIT, WHATEVER TIME IT, YOU KNOW, UH, LAPSE AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, I, I NEVER HEARD NOTHING BACK FROM, FROM MR. MOSES OR WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, HEY, DID THEY CALLED, THEY TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, DON'T SEND ANYBODY, ANY, ANYBODY UP THERE. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY OR THEY COULDN'T PAY. SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T SEND ANYBODY, BUT OKAY. SO, SO THEY CONTACTED YOU TO, TO DO THE RENOVATION WORK, YOU, YOUR LEAD PLUMBER WENT OUT THERE, UM, GAVE AN ESTIMATE, CAME BACK AND SAID HEY, GAVE AN ESTIMATE? AN ESTIMATE, YEAH. YOU GUYS NEGOTIATED AND SAID, OKAY. THEY SAID, OKAY, WELL WE'LL DO IT FOR SOME CONTRACT MONTH. WHEN DID HE DO THE MARKINGS TO KIND OF GIVE AN IDEA OF WHERE TO TRENCH? WAS THAT WHEN HE FIRST WENT OUT THERE WAS THAT, I'M PRETTY SURE I, I'M NOT, I WASN'T THERE SO I WASN'T THERE. I'M NOT SURE. YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE I HAD A VALVE TWICE. YOU GET IT TRENCHED OUT AND WHATNOT AFTER THAT AT THE MARK. SO ROBERT HANLEY, MR. RODRIGUEZ, I, I'M SEEING THE DATE STAMPS IN THE VIDEO. AND MY QUESTION IS, THE VIDEO WAS DONE AS MR. SMITH HAD ALLUDED TO TWO DAYS BEFORE YOU PULLED A PERMIT, IF SOME OF THAT WORK HAD BEEN DONE AND YOU NOTICED THAT YOU HAD NOT, OR YOUR CREWS HAD NOT PARTICIPATED, WHY DIDN'T YOU NOTIFY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ABOUT PULLING YOUR PERMIT? 'CAUSE IT'S WORK THAT'S BEING ACCOMPLISHED, NOT BY YOUR CREWS. BECAUSE I DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GO BACK AND I DIDN'T SEE IT. UH, NORMALLY I, WHENEVER I PULL A PERMIT, I'D LIKE TO FINISH MY JOBS. UH, BUT THAT, AND THAT TIME I DIDN'T [00:40:01] GO BACK, SO I, I NEVER SAW THAT JOB. I NEVER SAW THAT, THAT PROJECT. THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS. UH, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY, JEREMY. UM, THE COMPLAINT BY THE OWNER, WAS THAT ABOUT THE GC OR, UH, THE PLUMBING CONTRACTOR? AND NUMBER TWO, THE TRENCH THAT WE SAW, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN FILLED IN AND OBVIOUSLY HAS UTILITIES IN IT, GAS, MAYBE PLUMBING, HAS THAT BEEN INSPECTED BY THE CITY? I HAVEN'T CAUGHT ANYTHING. UM, THE, THE CITIZEN THAT REACHED OUT TO US WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT HER CONTRACTOR, BUT ALSO MENTIONED ALL THE SUBS, UH, NOT SPECIFICALLY MORE ALONG THE LINES OF NOT HAVING PERMITS. UM, I'M NOT SURE, AND I CAN HAVE, IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON WHETHER THEY ABOUT ANYTHING AS FAR AS PERFORMANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT NOT HAVING PURPOSE. BUT, UH, HER CONTRACT IS WITH THE GENERAL CON CONDUIT TO ALL THE DIFFERENT TRAITS THAT COME IN. UH, BUT, BUT STAFF, UH, DISCUSSED THAT REAL FAST. JOSEPH AL COMBINATION INSPECTOR. SO THEY, UH, THE COMPLAINT WAS ON ABOUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER. IT WAS ABOUT HOW THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, UH, ADVERTISED THAT THEY WERE HIS PEOPLE AND THAT NOBODY HAD PERMITS FOR ANYTHING. BUT THAT'S HOW THE COMPLAINT CAME. AND THE COMPLAINT WAS ON THE THIRD. WE WENT OUT THERE ON THE SEVENTH. SO WE ACTUALLY TALKED ON THE THIRD, AND THEN WE WENT OUT THERE ON THE SEVENTH, SEVENTH, WHICH WAS FOUR DAYS LATER. BUT BRIAN SMITH, WHEN YOU WERE OUT THERE, QUESTION, IS IT, WHEN YOU DID TAKE THE PICTURES OUT THERE, WAS THERE ANY INSPECTIONS? NO, CURRENTLY THERE WAS NO INSPECTIONS ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL WE WERE OUT THERE UNTIL THE SEVENTH. THERE WAS NOTHING, NO INSPECTIONS. AND CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY SHE HIRED A WHOLE NEW CREW AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR, THEIR JOB PULLING INSPECTIONS, CALLING FOR INSPECTIONS. THEY HAVE THEIR PERMITS ALREADY HERE. MCDONALD, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. I WANT TO, UH, GO BACK TO A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF THE APPEAL AND QUESTION. UH, THE QUESTION WAS IN REGARDS TO SOME OTHER ATIONS, WHETHER THEY WERE WITH OTHER CONTRACTORS, UH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE HE WAS, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION CORRECTLY. HE CURRENTLY, WE'RE NOT INVESTIGATING HIM WITH ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THE GENERAL CONTRACT. OTHER CONTRACTORS AS OTHER SUBS INVOLVED WITH THAT. UH, BUT CURRENTLY ALL OF THE, UH, INVESTIGATIONS WE HAVE FOR F I G PLUMBING AND MR. RODRIGUEZ CONTRACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT EASIER. UH, SO THE QUESTION THAT WE HAD PRIOR WAS, IS THERE OTHER CONTRACTORS THAT HE'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT HE'S CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR? UM, AND I, AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I'M MISSPEAKING, BUT I, I THINK THE INTENT WAS, IS HE WORKING FOR OTHER SUB CON OR GENERAL CONTRACTORS THAT HE COULD BE UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR, OR IS IT SOLELY UNDER THE CONTRACTOR THAT HE WAS, UH, WORKING FOR UNDER THIS PROJECT? AND IT IS JUST THAT ONE GENERAL CONTRACTOR? SO I, I THINK THE, UH, APPLICANT MIGHT'VE BEEN THINKING OF THE OTHER TRADES WHEN IT COMES TO CONTRACTORS, BUT HIS INVESTIGATION CURRENTLY ARE ALL LINKED TO THE SAME GENERAL CONTRACTOR. SO THIS CON GENERAL CONTRACTOR PROBABLY HAS OTHER INVESTIGATIONS ONGOING. IS THE CURRENT PLUMBING CONTRACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE THAT COULD RESULT IN, UH, SUSPENSION AT A LATER DATE, OR IS HE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OTHER INVESTIGATIONS AT THE CITY'S ONGOING? I'LL ALLOW STAFF JOSEPH BERNAL COMBINATION INSPECTOR, HE'S CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION WITH SEVEN PROPERTIES WITH MOSES CONSTRUCTION. SO THERE POSSIBLY COULD BE MORE, UH, TIME ADDED TO THE SUSPENSION. JACK UP MORE. THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION. WAS ALL THAT HE, ALL THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE WITH ONE GENERAL CONTRACTOR? YES. THAT'S NOT VARIOUS. HE HAD SAID VARIOUS, SO CORRECT. I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION. HE PROBABLY DID. SO IT WAS JUST THAT THEY'RE ALL UNDER THE SAME GUY. YES, UNDER THE, OKAY. THAT'S, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. UH, I BELIEVE WE'RE STILL UNDER THE, UH, OPENING TO, UH, THE PANEL. RIGHT? DO WE RETURN IT BACK TO HIM OR ARE WE IN A GENERAL, UH, QUESTION? YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL UNDER THE, THE APPLICANT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THAT WAS BRIAN SMITH . DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR US? NO, SIR. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? UH, NO. WE HAVE NO CITIZENS TO BE HEARD AND OR, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO THANK YOU. OKAY. AT THIS POINT THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND BEGIN, UM, BOARD DELIBERATIONS AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR IF DISCUSSION [00:45:01] IF PEOPLE HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS, THEY CAN ASK THAT OF STAFF WITH THE APPLICANT. UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHEN WOULD YOU CONSIDER PLUMBING WORK TO BEGIN? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IF HE HAD HIS LEAD PLUMBER OUT THERE AND HE JUST, JUST TO LOOK AT A SITE AND GET AN ESTIMATE, I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT BEGINNING. BUT IF SOMEBODY GOES OUT THERE AND STARTS DOING MARKINGS AND MEASUREMENTS AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE, THEY HAVEN'T PUTTING ANY, THEY HAVEN'T PUT ANY PIPES TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THE, IS THAT CONSIDERED THE BEGINNING OR NOT? I MEAN, I MEAN, THOMAS'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, BASICALLY ANY TIME WORK REQUIRES A PERMIT, THE PERMIT NEEDS TO BE PULLED BEFORE THE WORK STARTS. SO ANY PLUMBING WORK CANNOT START UNTIL A PERMIT IS OBTAINED. MARKING IT CAN, MARKING THE CONCRETE IS NOT PLUMBING WORK. THAT, THAT ONE CAN HAPPEN DURING, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATES. OKAY, THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, THEN WE CAN HAVE A, A MOTION. UM, MR. RODRIGUEZ, SO YOU SAID YOU WERE GETTING AN ATTORNEY TO LOOK INTO THE SITUATION WITH THE, UM, 'CAUSE YOU FEEL THAT THE, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR WAS REPRESENTING YOU AS ONE OF HIS, AS HIS EMPLOYEE? YES. EMPLOYEES. OKAY. THAT'S NOT TRUE. OKAY. UM, I HAVE MY OWN BUSINESS AND I RUN MY OWN COMPANY. UH, YEAH, I DON'T PARTNER UP WITH NOBODY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S CAUSED ME A LOT OF PAIN HERE. UH, LEGAL. THAT'S IT. OKAY. SO ARE YOU STILL I UNDERSTAND WHY I'M HERE BECAUSE, YEAH, SO, AND, AND ARE YOU STILL TRYING TO, TO COMPLETE THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON? I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PERMITS WITH HIM, SO I DON'T EVEN WANT TO DO NOTHING WITH HIM. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE LAST TIME THAT I'M GONNA BE DEALING WITH HIM, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE BOARD MEETING? UH, NO SIR. UM, IT'S ALL ABOUT HIM TRYING TO HAVE TO PAY ME SOMETHING FOR, YOU KNOW, CAUSING ME ALL THIS PAIN AND LOSING OUT, OUT, YOU KNOW, JOBS WORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, IRRITATES ME. UM, OKAY. THIS, THANK YOU. THIS LEWIS . I HAVE A, UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. YOU, WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO IS THAT, UH, NO WORK, NO PLUMBING WORK WAS PERFORMED BY ANY OF, UH, YOUR STAFF OR YOURSELF UNTIL, UM, OR AT, AT ALL ON THIS PROJECT. ALL THE PLUMBING WORK THAT WAS DONE WAS DONE BY OTHERS, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR OR SOMETHING? IT HAD TO BE HIM, UH, THAT CONTRACTOR ITSELF, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, MY CREW AND MYSELF, NO, WE DIDN'T DO ANY PLUMBING THERE. SO ALL YOU GUYS DID WAS DRAW THE LINES, YOU DIDN'T DO ANY PLUMBING WORK? MM-HMM. THE LINES PRETTY MUCH TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S GOTTA GET DONE AND I GUESS HE TOOK THAT FOR ADV ADVANTAGE AND, YOU KNOW, DID IT ON HIS OWN, BUT YEAH, NO, WE DIDN'T. OKAY. SO IF WE TAKE WHAT AMIN TOLD US THAT ANY WORK, UH, DONE HAS, YOU FIRST HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT, SO IF YOU DIDN'T DO THE WORK, I DON'T KNOW HOW, UH, HOW CAN WE HOLD HIM LIABLE FOR THAT? THIS IS AMIN THOMAS'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UH, IF YOU, JEREMY CAN GO BACK TO THE PICTURES, THE PICTURE ON, UH, MAY 28TH AND THE PICTURE ON JUNE 7TH. YOU GUYS ASKED THAT QUESTION. UH, DID ANY ADDITIONAL WORK HAPPEN? IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE IS MUCH WORK. IT SEEMS EVEN FROM MAY 28TH, THE TRENCHING WAS ALREADY COMPLETED. SO IF HE MARKED IT AND HE DID THE WORK OR HE DID NOT, HE'S CLAIMING HE DID NOT DO THE WORK. WHY DID HE PULL A PERMIT? NUMBER ONE, WHY DID HE HAVE AN ESTIMATE TO DO WORK IF HE DIDN'T DO THE WORK? CAN I, UH, JACK UP MORE? ONE MORE QUESTION. YOU'RE SAYING YOUR PERMIT DIDN'T INCLUDE, OR YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THE TRENCHING OR ANY OF THE CONCRETE BRAKING OR ANYTHING ON THE NO, NO. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE CONCRETE BRAKING. I WAS JUST GONNA DO THE PLUMBING UNTIL, NO. SO YOU'RE TELLING US THAT, UM, SO THE TRENCHING GOT COORDINATED BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR STU YOUR PLUMBER WENT OUT THERE TO VIDEOTAPE THAT IT WAS READY. AND THEN [00:50:03] I GUESS FROM THERE, NOBODY FROM YOUR COMPANY WENT OUT THERE TO DO ANYWHERE DOING THE PLUMBING? YEAH, BECAUSE THEY CALLED IN AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA STOP THE, THE, THE JOB OR WHATNOT. YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T GOT PAID WHATEVER EXCUSES IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I HEAR IT FROM THE OFFICE AND I JUST, WE STOPPED THE WATER AND THEY SAID, SO YOU JUST STOPPED AND NO ONE OUT THERE. AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT SOMEBODY, BASICALLY, SOMEBODY ELSE DID PLUMBING IN THERE? CORRECT. OKAY. BRIAN SMITH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION UPHOLD, UM, STAFF AND CITY'S, UH, REQUEST FOR THE 30 DAYS TO UPHOLD IT. ROBERT, HE MAY, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THERE BEING NONE, UH, FOR THE VOTE, DO WE DO ROLL CALL OR DO WE JUST DO, WE CAN DO HANDS VOICE VOTE, SO, WELL, FOR, FOR PLANNING WE HAVE TO DO ROLL CALL, BUT ANYWAY. OKAY. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF UPHOLDING THE CITY'S DECISION. UH, LET'S DO A SHOW OF HANDS AND SAY, AYE, UH, ARE THOSE OPPOSED, UH, WHEN OPPOSED, SO THE CITY'S DECISION WILL STAND, IS THAT CORRECT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND SO THE LICENSE WILL BE SUSPENDED FOR 30 DAYS, CORRECT? YEAH, TOTAL 22ND. OH, TO THE 22ND? THAT'S CORRECT. FOR THE 22 WEEKS. GOT TWO WEEKS LEFT. OKAY. NEXT AGENDA ITEM [2. Briefing to discuss City Council requirement to install Baby Changing Stations in new and existing buildings. The Board can discuss this requirement and provide their recommendations or propose that a subcommittee be formed and appointed.] WILL BE A DISCUSSION ON THE CITY COUNCIL REQUIREMENT TO INSTALL BABY CHANGING STATIONS IN NEW AND EXISTING BUILDINGS. UH, JEREMY MCDONALD, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAD THE MEETING SCHEDULED TILL THREE O'CLOCK. UH, SO I WANT, I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION AS QUICKLY AS I CAN, UM, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH THIS, UH, AS A BOARD AND THEN ANY INFORMATION I WANNA PROVIDE TO STAFF OR ANY INSTRUCTIONS ON MOVING FORWARD. UM, SO I'LL, I'LL GIVE A QUICK, UM, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M GONNA TRY TO RUN THROUGH IT AS FAST AS I CAN. UM, UH, SO WE RECEIVED, UH, THE REQUEST FROM CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO, UH, LOOK AT THE OPTION OF INSTALL REQUIRING BABY CHANGING STATIONS TO BE, UH, REQUIRED IN NEW AND EXISTING CONSTRUCTIONS AND EXISTING CONSTRUCTIONS THAT WE REQUIRE. UM, THE TERMINOLOGY THEY USED WAS ANYTIME THAT WE WOULD'VE TO PULL A NEW PERMIT. UM, SO IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, UH, THIS IS THE INFORMATION I SENT OUT IN THE EMAIL, SO, UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT SO FAR? GOOD. ROBERT HANLEY. UM, I UNDERSTAND NEW JEREMY, UH, ON THE CHANGING STATIONS, BUT TO MAKE THAT AS A REQUIREMENT FOR EXISTING AND IF IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR THE BABY CHANGING IT MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR TOSS TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS. YEP. I, I WILL GO THROUGH THAT HEAVILY IN THIS, UH, PRESENTATION. I, I AGREE. A D A IS GONNA BE, UH, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN. UM, SO I DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER. UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, SO, UH, I GUESS ANY QUESTIONS ON JUST KIND OF THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FROM THE CITY COUNCIL? UH, NOT REALLY THE DETAILS ON IT, BUT JUST THEIR OVERALL REQUEST AND WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR. UM, OKAY. UM, SO THIS IS THAT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY'RE, UH, HAD SENT OUT, AND THIS IS WHAT I SENT TO Y'ALL. UM, SO RIGHT OFF THE BAT, ADA A REQUIREMENTS, SO THIS IS, UH, COMES FROM THE ADA, A REQUIREMENTS FOR RESTROOMS, UH, THEIR 2010 DOCUMENT. UH, SO IT'S STILL UNDER THAT REQUIREMENT. UH, THE BIG THING IS THE INSTALLATION AND USE MUST COMPLY WITH 20 10 80 A STANDARDS, WHICH ADDRESS CLEAR FLOOR SPACE, 30 INCHES BY 48 INCHES, DESIGN OF HANDLE AND CONTROLS OPERABLE WITH ONE HAND WITHOUT TIGHT. UH, SO A LOT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA BE INHERENT TO THE PRODUCT ITSELF, WEIGHT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT THE BIG THING WILL BE THE 30 INCHES BY 48 INCHES OF OPERABLE SPACE. UM, NEXT ONE. SO I'M GONNA HAVE A COUPLE OF REFERENCES, UM, TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF THE RESTROOM HERE, THE 30 BY 48 IS FROM IN UP POSITION. SO FROM THE WALL ITSELF, SO NOT 30 BY 48 ONCE THE STATION IS DOWN, UH, I'M NOT SURE. SO THIS ONE, THEY REFERENCED IT 24 BY 36 INCH AND DOWN POSITION, UH, MAYBE CHANGING STATION, BUT REALLY THEY JUST SAY THE OPERATING SPACE IS 48 INCHES FROM THE WALL. ROBERT HANLEY, JEREMY, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. IN THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE YOU HAD A TEXT AND WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE A D A STANDARDS, BUT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, UNLESS IT'S GOVERNMENTAL, UM, YOU'RE [00:55:01] REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH TDLR TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY OF THE TOSS STANDARDS. WOULD THAT NOT BE A BETTER REFERENCE IN HERE THAN A D A? I APOLOGIZE. IT MIGHT BE. UM, I WAS PULLING FROM A D A, BUT, UH, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT THIS IS, UM, AN ALL BE ALL INFORMATION. I'M JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME, UH, BUT YES, I, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE OF, UH, WHAT WE CONSIDER WE WILL HAVE TO IMPACT WHAT IS THE GOVERNING RULES? UH, SO IF I, IF I'M INCORRECT ON THE A D A AS THE GOVERNING ONE FOR THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE CITY SIDE, WE USUALLY JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CHECKED OFF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL APPLY WITH A D I. UM, I'M, AND WE DO HAVE STAFF THAT ARE MORE VERSED IN THAT WE WOULD MAKE SURE TO ENGAGE THEM IN THIS CONVERSATION. UM, MOSTLY I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHAT THE IMPACTS OF, OF THOSE ARE. SO, UM, SO REAL QUICK, JUST KIND OF A, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE VARIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING OF THE SIZES OF, OF RESTROOMS AND, AND I THINK WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE LARGER, UH, BUILDINGS WITH LARGER RESTROOMS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN FIND THAT SPACE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UH, BUT AS WE START GOING INTO THE SMALLER, UH, RESTROOMS AND EVEN DOWN INTO THE SINGLE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THIS WILL HAVE, ESPECIALLY ON THE EXISTING RESTROOMS. UM, SO THE OTHER ITEM, SO THE, THE FIRST THING IS THE EXISTING. I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW AND COME UP WITH AN UNDERSTANDING AND, YOU KNOW, A RECOMMENDATION. AND ONCE AGAIN, WE, I MEAN THE BOARD, UM, BUT IT'S THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF, UH, AN EXISTING, SO CURRENTLY THEY ASK FOR PERMITS, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME A PERMIT IS PULLED FOR A BATHROOM. SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THE MOST MINIMAL AMOUNT OF WORK THAT COULD REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR A BATHROOM THAT WOULD BE RESH, UH, RES SHEET, ROCKING THE BATHROOM, NEW SINKS OR TOILET FIXTURES. UH, SO REPLACE IF YOU PULL ONE OUT AND PUT THE EXACT SAME ONE BACK, NOT REQUIRING A PERMIT, BUT IF YOU PULL ONE OUT AND REPLACE IT, EVEN ALMOST LIKE FOR, LIKE, THAT DOES REQUIRE A NEW PERMIT. UH, ADDING OR REPLACING PARTITIONS DOES REQUIRE A PERMIT. NEW OUTLETS LIGHTS OR REPLACE CONVENTIONAL FIXTURES WITH SENSOR CONTROLLED FIXTURES THAT REQUIRE HIGH VOLTAGE 120 AC IN THIS, IN THIS REFERENCE OF HIGH VOLTAGE, UM, OR ADDING AN EXHAUST FAN. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF LOOKING AT EACH ONE OF THE TRADES, UM, IN THE BUILDING PERMITS OF WHAT WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, MINIMAL AND SCOPE OF WORK THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT. UM, ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER AGENCIES AND MUNICIPALITIES OUT THERE IN THE STATES HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED THIS, UH, FEDERAL BUILDINGS, UH, ON A FEDERAL LEVEL ARE REQUIRED. UH, THAT WAS ADOPTED A FEW YEARS BACK. UH, THE ONE 14TH CONGRESS, PUBLIC LAW, 2 35, STATE OF CALIFORNIA. UH, SO THE STATE AS A WHOLE, UH, HAS THAT, AND I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL ON THEIR REQUIREMENTS. UH, STATE OF NEW YORK AND THE CITY OF NEW YORK, AND I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THEIRS. UM, DON'T WANT TO READ THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING. UH, THIS IS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT TIERS. ONE IS FOR STATE REQUIRED BUILDINGS OR STATE OWNED BUILDINGS, OR PARTIALLY OWNED BUILDINGS. THAT'S THIS REQUIREMENT HERE. UM, THEY GO INTO REQUIREMENT FOR POST, UH, OR AN EXISTING BUILDING AS $10,000 OR MORE, UH, IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, ARMED RENOVATIONS. UM, SO THAT'S THEIR REQUIREMENT FOR THE STATE LEVEL. UM, THIS IS ANYTIME IT'S MUNICIPALITY OWNED OR SUB-STATE OR SUB GOVERNMENT OF THE STATE, THEY DO HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM, UH, ALL OF THEIR BUILDINGS. ONCE AGAIN, THEY, THEY HIGHLIGHT THE $10,000, UH, OF CONSTRUCTION, NEW OR RENOVATION. AND THEN WHEN THEY GET INTO, UM, MUNICIPALITY LEVEL REQUIRING PRIVATE, PRIVATELY OWNED, UH, BUILDINGS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UH, THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THEY EVEN GO INTO MORE, UH, SPECIFYING OF WHAT OCCUPANCY TYPE. SO IT'S NOT JUST A BLANKET. UM, ALL BUILDING TYPES. SO THEY GO INTO THEATER OR MOVIE HOUSE, GROCERY STORE, HEALTH FACILITY, CONVENTION CENTER, SPORTS ARENA, AUDITORIUM, CULTURAL COMPLEX EXHIBIT HALLS, LIBRARY, PASSENGER TERMINALS, UM, AND SOME OTHER ONES. UH, THEY GO INTO THE SIZES OF THEM. UH, SO THEY DO GO INTO SOME MORE CLARIFICATION OF WHAT SIZE, UH, OR WHAT TYPE OF, OF BUILDING WOULD REQUIRE THIS, UM, IN, IN THEIR, UM, ADOPTED. BUT ONCE AGAIN, THEY ALSO REFERENCE BACK TO THE $10,000 FOR AN EXISTING BUILDING. UM, CITY OF, OR THIS WOULD BE THE STATE OF NEW YORK. UM, I, I'M JUST GIVING YOU A QUICK LITTLE SUBPART OF THAT. THERE'S FOCUSES MORE ON GROUP A OCCUPANCIES AND MERCANTILE GROUP. IMM OCCUPANCIES. NOW THEY DO SEE PART OF, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, BUILDINGS OUT THERE THAT HAVE JUST A SMALL SECTION THAT IS GROUP A. SO WE WANTED TO FIND THAT IF WE WENT THAT ROUTE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. I HAVE THE LINK, WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO IT NOW, BUT I CAN PROVIDE THAT. UM, AFTERWARDS, IT'S, IT, THEY HAVE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE PAGES OF, OF DOCUMENT OF HOW THEY DECIDE WHAT BUILDINGS ARE GONNA HAVE IT. THEY ALSO GO INTO WHAT IS ACCESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW MANY DO YOU NEED? UM, AND I'LL FOLLOW THIS UP A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT IT'S KIND OF IS, YOU KNOW, THE BIG THING IS IT NEEDS TO BE BOTH GENDERS, MALE AND FEMALE ARE ALL GENDERS, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY. UM, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ACCESSIBLE. DOES IT NEED TO BE ONE PER BUILDING, ONE PER FLOOR? YOU KNOW, UM, IF YOU HAVE TWO RESTROOMS AND THEN A FAMILY RESTROOM, AND IT'S ONLY IN THAT FAMILY RESTROOM, WHICH IS OPEN TO ALL GENDERS. THEN DOES THAT SUFFICE? UM, DOES IT NEED, COULD IT BE A BANK OF FLOORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? SO THEY GO INTO A LOT OF DETAILS. SO IF, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING TO, UH, KIND OF PULL AGAINST, THEN THIS WOULD BE A GOOD DOCUMENT TO, UH, TO REFERENCE. [01:00:01] UM, AND THAT, AND ACTUALLY, UH, IT, IT SHOWS THAT FURTHER IN THERE, THEY, ONCE AGAIN, THE STATE OF, OF NEW YORK ALSO, I'M SORRY, GO BACK UP. UH, ALSO HAS THE $10,000 AS THEIR PERMIT. SO $10,000 IS UNIVERSAL BETWEEN ALL THREE OF THE, UH, STATE OF CALIFORNIA, STATE OF NEW YORK AND THE CITY OF NEW YORK. UH, SO THE CITY OF NEW YORK, THIS IS ALL THAT THEY HAVE IN ASSEMBLY GROUP, A OCCUPANCIES AND MERCANTILE OCCUPANCIES ON EACH FLOOR LEVEL CONTAINING A PUBLIC TOILET ROOM. BOTH MALE AND FEMALE OCCUPANTS SHALL HAVE ACCESS TO AT LEAST ONE SAFE, SANITARY AND CONVENIENT DIAPER CHANGE STATION DECK TABLE. SIMILAR AMENITY, UH, LOCAL LAW TAKES EFFECT 180 DAYS. SO THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT THEY HAVE. SO THEIRS IS A VERY, UH, SHORT AND CONCISE. UM, AND I, I, I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. I THINK MAYBE I JUST FORGOT TO ADD IT, BUT I THINK THEY ALSO HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR POST OR FOR AN EXISTING BUILDING, AND I THINK THE $10,000, BUT ONCE AGAIN, ALL THAT GETS, OF COURSE TRUMPED BY THE STATE. I THINK THEY HAD OPT ADOPTED THEIRS ON THE MUNICIPALITY LEVEL, AND THEN THE STATE ADOPTED THEIRS AFTER THAT. UM, JUST FOR REFERENCE, UH, DOING A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH JUST TO SEE COST OF, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, INTERNET PRICES AND ACTUAL PRICES AND CONTRACTOR PRICES AND INDUSTRY PRACTICE, UH, PRICES ARE HARD TO, UH, NARROW DOWN, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A BALLPARK OF COST OF EACH STATION. UM, SO ITEMS TO CONSIDER, UH, WHAT OCCUPANCY TYPES DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, FOR THIS REQUIREMENT? HOW MANY ACCESSIBLE STATIONS PER BUILDING, UH, DOES IT NEED TO BE? ONE PER BUILDING, ONE PER FLOOR, ONE PER BANK OF FLOORS, UH, REMODELING REQUIREMENTS, ANY WORK REQUIRING A PERMIT AND A BATHROOM, UM, WHICH IS KIND OF THE VERBIAGE THAT WE RECEIVE FROM COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. UH, REMODEL, COST PER BATHROOM, OR PER PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, $10,000. MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S AND DO SOME, UH, RESEARCH ON THAT. I'M NOT SURE HOW EASILY THAT WOULD BE DONE, JUST 'CAUSE WE DON'T HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S JUST PURELY A BATHROOM REMODEL. UM, OR, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT, UH, REFERENCING I E B C, UH, FOR ALTERATION LEVEL. UH, SO MAYBE WE CAN KIND OF TAKE A, UM, THE VARIOUS ALTERATION LEVEL, 1, 2, 3, 4, UM, FROM THAT AND KIND OF SAY, HOW CAN WE IMPLEMENT THAT INTO A, A RENOVATION OF THE BATHROOM TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'VE DONE ENOUGH TO REQUIRE IT ON A POST, UM, ON A EXISTING BUILDING. UM, I, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WOULD HELP NEGATE, UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THESE SMALLER BATHROOMS, UH, CITY AND PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY. SO, UH, OF COURSE, AS ALL THE OTHER, UH, ONES ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, IS IT, WHAT ARE THE, ARE THERE GONNA BE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR CITY OWNED VERSUS PRIVATELY OWNED, UH, BUILDINGS, UM, HAVE PLAN FOR MOVING FORWARD? UM, DO WE WANT CONSIDER CREATING A SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, FOR THIS REQUEST? ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM CASA. UH, SO ANYTHING Y'ALL HAVE THAT WE CAN RESEARCH AND PROVIDE, UH, EITHER BASED ON A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OR PRIOR, PRIOR TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, UM, OR SCHEDULE A FULL BOARD MEETING FOR THIS, UM, AND PROVIDE A RESPONSE, UH, OR PROVIDE A RESPONSE. NOW, I, I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF IN AGREEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY DON'T WANNA MAKE A DECISION ON THIS YET. UH, STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT. UH, WE STILL NEED TO KIND OF DO A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING, UH, BUT WE DO WANT TO OPEN THAT UP AND START, UH, ENGAGING Y'ALL. WE HAVE ENGAGED STAKEHOLDERS, UM, THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THIS. UM, AND I WILL GIVE THEM THE MEETING UPDATES, UH, AND OF COURSE, LET THEM KNOW ABOUT ALL FUTURE BOARD MEETING MEETINGS OR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD. UM, REAL QUICK, SO IF WE, IF WE DID A, LIKE, LET'S SAY A SUBCOMMITTEE, WOULD THAT BE JUST ONE FROM THE, FROM OUR BOARD, OR LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S STAKEHOLDERS. SO HOW MANY OTHER, UH, BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS MIGHT BE INVOLVED WITH THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'D BE ANY OTHER BOARDS. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WOULD'VE BEEN IMPACTING YOU TO SEE WITH ANYBODY ELSE. I MEAN, TOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, EVEN IF WE GET OTHER AGENCIES OR ENTITIES TO ATTEND THE TASK FORCE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE SUBCOMMITTEE FROM THIS BOARD IS DEV VOTING, AND THEY WILL PRESENT THAT TO THE FULL BOARD, AND THEN WE WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL FROM THAT POINT. OKAY. GARY, JUST A QUICK QUESTION, JACK UP MORE, UH, IS, I SAW CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK AND, BUT NOTHING IN TEXAS. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS THAT I WILL RESEARCH THAT I, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LIMITED TIME THAT I HAD, UM, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE. I WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, NO, NOTHING COMES UP WHEN YOU KIND OF JUST HIT THAT AND ALL THE MOMMY BLOGS YOU WILL, THAT THAT HIGHLIGHTED, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REFERENCED MORE OF THESE BIGGER STATES. BUT I, I WILL, UM, AS A INFORMATION PROVIDED, I WILL LOOK TO SEE IF, UM, IT WAS A MORE COMPARABLE CITY, UH, FOR US THAT, THAT HAS ADOPTED THIS ROBERT HAN JEREMY. UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THIS, AND I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED. I GUESS CCRS ARE ONLY FOUR SIGNATURES NOW INSTEAD OF SIX ON, ON HERE. LIKE IT USED TO BE SIX, UH, COUNCIL PEOPLE AND THIS ONE ONLY HAS FOUR, BUT FIVE, IT'S FIVE, FIVE NOW, SO, SO IT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL. THANK MR. SHANNON. UH, MY QUESTION, UH, IS THERE'S NO DEADLINE ON THE R SO WHAT KIND OF TIME SCHEDULE ARE WE OPERATING UNDER? I WILL REACH OUT. I, I INVITED, UH, CITY COUNCIL. I BELIEVE THIS WAS CHECK, OR THIS IS FOUR OR SEVEN, EIGHT. [01:05:01] OKAY, I APOLOGIZE. EIGHT. UH, I DID REACH OUT TO THEIR STAFF. THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE THIS, BUT I WILL PROVIDE THEM THE MEETING MINUTES AND INFORMATION, UH, MOVING KIND OF A TIMETABLE. UH, BUT I DO REMEMBER THIS WAS KIND OF PRESENTED BACK IN APRIL, SO THIS WAS, WE ONLY HEARD ABOUT IT RECENTLY. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, IF WE DID A SUBCOMMITTEE, HOW A SUBCOMMITTEE, HOW MANY MEMBERS? WAS THERE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF MEMBERS OR, UM, YEAH, FOUR OR FIVE. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T DO QUORUM. I SEE. AS LONG AS WE DON'T HIT NINE, THEN. OKAY. , UH, LIDDEL TOY. UH, JEREMY, WHY IS THIS HAVING TO DO WITH OUR BOARD? JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TRIGGERING, UH, CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS. SO THE BOARD IS, WE ARE THE, OUR, YOUR BOARD IS THE, THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE CHAPTER 10. ARE WE EXPECTING AN INFLUX OF CHILDREN IN THIS TOWN IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, OR ? UH, I MEAN, I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS A LOT OF THE, UH, OF THE, THE POPULATION GROWTH IS COMING FROM INTERNAL VERSUS UH, UH, SO I KNOW IN CALIFORNIA THEY GOT A LOT OF BABIES THERE. SO AND KEEP, KEEP IN MIND. SO IT'S A BABY CHANGING STATION, WHICH THANK YOU. IT'S A BABY CHANGING STATION. SO YOU HAVE THE FINISHES INSIDE OF THE RESTROOM, WHICH FOLLOWS UNDER THE, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE I B C. SO JUST LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR TOILET, YOUR, UM, PAPER TOWEL DISPENSER, THE MIRROR, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. SO THAT'S WHY THAT FALLS FOLLOWS UNDER THIS BOARD. AND THE IDEA, I THINK, BEHIND THIS ONE IS SO THAT IF A FATHER HAS THEIR KIDS OR UNCLE HAS THE KIDS, THEY CAN TAKE 'EM TO THE MEN'S ROOM, GET 'EM CHANGED OUT, VERSUS THERE'S NOTHING AVAILABLE AND NOT ALL VENUES HAVE THE FAMILY CHANGING ROOM. UM, SO I, I THINK WE CAN, AT SOME POINT, IT'S, IT'S SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE'RE GONNA NEED A SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THIS. I'M GLAD WE HAVE SOME REFERENCE MATERIAL. I SAW SOME GOOD EXCEPTIONS IN THERE, LIKE NIGHTCLUBS AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS. WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED THAT. AND WE CAN LOOK TO SEE WHAT KIND OF OCCUPANCIES WE WANT TO APPLY THIS TO. BRIAN SMITH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO THIS BREACH. YOU STILL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE, I BELIEVE. YES, WE HAVE TO. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YES, JACK, I, I'M GONNA GIVE BRIAN A SECOND. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR REAL QUICK, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY WE OPPOSED THERE BEING NONE. OKAY. NOW WE NEED MEMBERS FOR THIS SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, I'LL SAY LET'S DO, LET'S DO FIVE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN ODD NUMBER. YEAH. 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO MEET A QUICK OVER 50%. RIGHT? A QUICK CHECK OF THE CODE SAYS BETWEEN FOUR AND SEVEN, SO, OKAY. LET'S DO AT LEAST, AT LEAST FIVE. IF MORE PEOPLE WANT TO BE ON BOARD, THAT'S FINE. AS LONG AS WE, UH, WE CAN HIT THE SEVEN IF WE NEED TO, IF WE WANT TO. SO IF WE'RE SEVEN, I HAVE TO HAVE FOUR THERE TO HOLD A MEETING. CORRECT. OKAY. SO I JUST AS, AS IS THE CASE WITH THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD CAUTION COIN TOO BIG AND, UH, OVERCOMMITTING AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GET ME QUORUM. OKAY. SO DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS FOR OUR NEW SUBCOMMITTEE? OKAY, SO WE HAVE JACK, WE HAVE MR. BURRIS. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY DOWN THERE? SHOULD, SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY, UH, CHRIS IN THE, UH, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TYPE, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS. I'M NOT VOLUNTEERING FOR YOU, BUT THEY SHOULD, YOU SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY DOING THAT. UM, AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, SO WHEN I REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, BOMA BEING ONE OF THEM, THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR JOINING AND, AND REACHING OUT TO WAS MAX HOSFORD, WHO UNFORTUNATELY WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY BECAUSE OF, OF A FAMILY ISSUE. BUT, UM, I'M JUST PROVIDING INFORMATION. . SO IS MAX A BOARD MEMBER? YES, MAX IS OUR ALTERNATE FOR THE, UM, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. ARE WE UP TO THE FIVE? I'M SORRY, WHO, UH, COULD I GET THE NAMES? LET'S START AGAIN. STARTING WITH MR. SMITH. BRIAN SMITH. ROBERT. ROBERT. OH, WE HAD SOMEBODY DOWN THERE. NO, NO, THEY'RE JUST, WELL, MAX WOULD PUT US AT FOUR. I NEED TO BE NUMBER FIVE. I CAN BE NUMBER FIVE. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. SO WE HAVE FIVE, UH, THAT'LL BE APPOINTED TO THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. I WILL START OUT, UH, REACHING OUT TO Y'ALL FOR, UM, TIMES AND AVAILABILITY AND ALSO SOME OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND GETTING THAT SCHEDULED. UH, REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I DID INVITE 'EM. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I INVITED HEALTH AS WELL. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO ASK HEALTH AT THE TIME, OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS? UM, DO THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING AT THIS POINT? [01:10:01] NO COMMENTS. DO THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? ROBERT? UH, JEREMY, UM, LIKE WE DO IN THE BUILDING CODES, UM, ROB, UM, WE CAN HAVE OTHER PEOPLE PARTICIPATE, BUT THERE'S ONLY FIVE VOTING MEMBERS ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. SO ANYBODY FROM HEALTH OR OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, YOU'RE ALWAYS INVITED, CORRECT? EXACTLY. YEAH. SO WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE FORWARD THAT OUT AND TRY TO GET AS MANY, UH, STAKEHOLDERS THERE AVAILABLE. UM, AND THEN ALSO REACHING OUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR CITY COUNCILS STAFF SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF IT AS WELL AND MAKE THEMSELVES AVAILABLE. OKAY. WE HAVE THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE FORMED AND YOU'LL REACH OUT JUST SO WE CAN START HAVING MEETINGS. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS TO DISCUSS ON THIS? ANY OTHER THINGS TO DISCUSS ON THIS ITEM? THERE BEING NONE. CAN WE CONSIDER THAT ITEM CLOSED AND [3. Discuss Flowchart for FBI Background Check] THEN MOVE ON TO THE, SO WE HAVE THREE, ONCE AGAIN, I, I RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE THAT ONCE AGAIN, UNLESS Y WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO THAT. UH, SINCE WE ARE PAST, UH, EVERYBODY'S IN RESPECTS TO EVERYBODY'S TIME, THIS IS THE F B I BACKGROUND THAT WAS TAKING A BRIEF. OKAY. SO IS IS, IS THAT A GENERAL CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD TO TABLE THE ITEM OF THE F B I BACKGROUND CHECK? IF THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, THEN UM, WE DON'T, NOBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TODAY FOR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. SO NOW WE HAVE BOARD [Board Comments/Attendance (Part 1 of 2)] COMMENTS. HAVE, UH, COMMENTS FROM MR. OH, HERE WE GO. WE'RE, WE'RE AT BOARD COMMENTS? WE'RE AT BOARD COMMENTS. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS, MR. BURES IS COMING. UM, AS, AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, THERE'S A FEW VACANCIES AND YOU'RE REACHING OUT TO FILL THE VACANCIES? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UM, AND, AND I WOULD SAY, UH, JUST AS A CLARIFICATION, I MEAN THIS, I KNOW WE RAN INTO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE RAN INTO EARLIER, UH, WHEN I TOOK OVER THIS BOARD. UH, BUT I FEEL LIKE TODAY'S ISSUE WAS MORE TIME IN SUMMER, YOU KNOW, FRIDAY AFTERNOON DURING THE SUMMER, I, I AM GETTING A LOT MORE RESPONSES FROM MEMBERS. UH, THIS, I WAS PURELY JUST NOT, NOT HAVING ENOUGH, JUST BAD TIMING TO, TO GET THE QUORUM. UH, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WE DO HAVE, I, I GOT MULTIPLE RESPONSES BACK THAT JUST COULDN'T, COULDN'T MAKE IT. UH, BUT, SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAD PRIORLY, BUT I WILL BE VERY AGGRESSIVE ON, UH, GETTING EVERYBODY OUT HERE FOR THE NEXT MEETINGS. THANK YOU. AND AS DISCUSSED, UM, IF WE COULD GET THE, THE WEBSITE THAT HAS THE LISTINGS UPDATED TO SHOW THE POSITIONS THAT ARE VACANT INSTEAD OF JUST RESIGNED, THAT'LL BE, I THINK THAT'LL HELP PEOPLE SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED. AGREED. AND I WILL WORK WITH CITY CLERK TO DO THAT. OKAY. UM, CHAIR, THIS IS AMIN THOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. YES. BEFORE WE GO TO, UH, BOARD COMMENTS, I JUST [City Staff Report] WANT TO BRIEF YOU ON ONE ITEM. BASICALLY, UH, THE STATE OF TEXAS HAD A HOUSE BILL THAT PASSED. UH, IT DOES REQUIRE BASICALLY ANY CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS TO ADOPT THE SWIMMING AND SPA POOL CODE. UM, THE DATE FOR THE ADOPTION IS SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2020, SO IT'S NOT THIS SEPTEMBER, IT'S SEPTEMBER NEXT YEAR. UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ORDERING ALL THE BOOKS. WE'RE GONNA GIVE THOSE TO YOU GUYS AND US, AND THEN WE, AT THAT POINT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SUBCOMMITTEE TO REVIEW ALL THAT AND DECIDE WHAT KIND OF AMENDMENTS. THE GOOD THING WITH THIS IS, UH, THE HOUSE BILL TALKS ABOUT ADOPTING THE CODE, BUT IT DOES ALLOW JURISDICTIONS TO AMEND THE CODE AS WELL. SO WE WILL REVIEW IT AT THAT TIME. OKAY. SO, UM, IT SOUNDS, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT'LL TAKE TO, TO GET THE BOOKS? HAVE THE BOOKS ALREADY BEEN ORDERED OR ARE YOU'RE GOING TO ORDER THEM? THEY'VE BEEN ORDERED. THEY, THEY'VE BEEN ORDERED, SO I, I WOULD SAY COUPLE OF WEEKS. YEAH, TWO WEEKS. OKAY. SO THEN MAYBE, UM, MAYBE IN SEPTEMBER HAVE A MEETING TO DISTRIBUTE THE BOOKS, AND THEN WE CAN FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THEN, UM, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THAT AGENDA, THEN WE CAN ALSO DISCUSS THE, UM, THE F B I BACKGROUND CHECK. AND THEN IF YOU CAN SEND OUT THE FLOW CHART AGAIN FOR THAT MEETING, UH, THAT WAY WE'LL BE PREPARED TO, PREPARED TO DISCUSS THAT. ANY OTHER STAFF ITEMS? UH, WE, WE DO, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, I NEED THE CHAIR TO ANNOUNCE THAT, UH, LEWIS ULUS IS HERE. UM, SO SINCE HE WAS, HE WASN'T HERE FOR THE ROLL CALL, UM, AND I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT HE WAS HERE FOR THE VOTES OF THE APPEAL OR FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, BUT NOT FOR THE MEETING MINUTES, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. YEAH. SO IF WE CAN JUST HAVE THAT RECORD RECORD. THAT IS CORRECT. LEWIS FRA CAME IN AT 2:06 PM OH, OKAY. AND, UH, SO YEAH, I WILL. ALL RIGHT. , BUT, UH, THAT IS ALL FROM STAFF. OKAY. YES. HEY, FOR PLANNING, WHEN SOMEBODY WALKS OUT, WE GOTTA ANNOUNCE IT AND THEN WE COME BACK IN, HAVE TO ANNOUNCE IT AGAIN. OKAY. NOW WE BELIEVE, UH, IF THERE'S NO, IS THERE ANY MORE STAFF REPORT, STAFF ITEMS? THERE BE NONE. BOARD [Board Comments/Attendance (Part 2 of 2)] COMMENTS? UH, LIDDEL TO, I HAVE ONE. UM, JUST A LITTLE QUICK UPDATE. T [01:15:01] D L R IS ELECTRIC ELECTRICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS ACTUALLY A MEETING FOR DISCUSSION ON REDUCING APPRENTICE HOURS FOR MASTER OR APPRENTICE ELECTRICIANS AND SIGN ELECTRICIANS DUE TO THE SHORTAGE AND THE TIMING, FACT OF HOW LONG IT BE, UH, BECOMES, IT TAKES TO BECOME A JOURNEYMAN. ANYTHING ELECTRICIAN? UH, UH, WELL, JUST, THIS IS JUST AN ELECTRICAL, SO THEY'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ON THIS TO SEE IF THEY CAN REDUCE THE HOURS. SO, UH, SO YOU COULD BECOME A JOURNEYMAN ELECTRICIAN FASTER. I'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED ONCE I HEAR BACK FROM, UH, T D L R. OKAY. SINCE IT'S T D L R, WOULD THAT REQUIRE ANY ACTION ON OUR BEHALF? NO, NO, NO. WE, ONCE AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE LICENSING. THE CITY, IT DOES NOT DO ANYTHING. OKAY. IS THERE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANNA MAKE A JUST ISSUE A STATEMENT ON? IT SAYS IN SUPPORT OR SAY NO, WE WANT, WE, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST . OH, OKAY. SO THEY HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION? NO. SO, OKAY. UM, START, COMMENT. OKAY. BUT IF THAT HAS SOMETHING YOU, YOU WANT THE BOARD TO ISSUE AN OFFICIAL OPINION ON, THEN JUST LET US KNOW SO WE CAN GET THAT SET UP. UM, I ANY OTHER BOARD COMMENTS? YES. UH, WELL, THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS. GOOD AFTERNOON. I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE APRIL 30TH MEETING MINUTES, BUT I DO HAVE A STATEMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO PRESENT REGARDING THE OUTCOME OF ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. UM, I'M READING FROM A PREPARED STATEMENT, SO BEAR WITH ME. MY COMMENTS BELOW ARE RELATED TO THE ACTIONS AND VOTING OF THE BOARD ON THE CASE OF MR. JUAN TEIS. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. ROBERT HANLEY, UH, WHO HAVE, HAVE HAD MUCH RESPECT FOR OVER THE YEARS FOR REQUESTING A HAND AND NAME VOTE, UH, FOR THOSE WHO DESCENDED AGAINST THE MOTION TO REINSTATE THE CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE, UH, WHICH ARE STATED IN THE APRIL 30TH MEETING MINUTES. SECOND, AS A FORMER CITY EMPLOYEE IN THE PLAN REVIEW SECTION FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FROM 1996 TO 2006, UH, I HAVE, UH, ALSO BEEN A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, UH, SINCE 1994 IN MULTIPLE STATES. AS A CITY EMPLOYEE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE NUMEROUS ETHICS TRAINING CLASSES EACH YEAR, EVERY YEAR. AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, I'M REQUIRED TO TAKE ETHICS TRAINING EVERY YEAR. SOME OF THE TOP ITEMS IN BOTH TYPES OF ETHICS TRAININGS ARE ONE, IF IT APPEARS TO BE BAD, DON'T DO IT. TWO, ALWAYS REPORT IT, AND THREE, ALWAYS DO THE RIGHT THING. AS I UNDERSTAND, THE CLAIMS PRESENTED TO THIS BOARD ON APRIL 30TH, A CITY EMPLOYEE WAS APPROACHED BY CONTRACTOR TO DO FAVORS AND APPROVE SOME OF THEIR UNRELATED, UH, APPROVE SOME OF THEIR PERMITS IN ORDER TO LESSEN A CONTRACT PAYMENT FOR SERVICES PROPOSED TO THE EMPLOYEE THAT WERE ASIDE FROM THOSE PERMITS IN QUESTION. WHEN WE LEFT THE MEETING ON APRIL 30TH, I WAS EXTREMELY DISTRAUGHT. I COULDN'T BELIEVE THE WAY THE VOTE WENT. UH, I CONTEMPLATED RESIGNING FROM THE BOARD. THE CONTRACTOR BROKE THE LAW BY ASKING FOR FAVORS FROM A CITY EMPLOYEE. THE CITY EMPLOYEE DID EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO AND TRAINED TO DO REPORT THE CONTRACTOR WAS REPRIMANDED BY HAVING THEIR LICENSE REVOKED. I THOUGHT IT WAS A SLAM DUNK. CASE CLOSED. NO. THIS BOARD, FOR SOME REASON, VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE CONTRACTOR AND REINSTATED THE LICENSE. THE VOTE WAS 10 TO FIVE. THIS WAS A HUMILIATING SETBACK TO THE CITY EMPLOYEE WHO DID THE RIGHT THING. AND TO THE CITY WHO SPENDS HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF STAFF TIME AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN TRAINING JUST TO HAVE IT THROWN OUT THE WINDOW, THE CONTRACTOR CLEARLY VIOLATED THE LAW AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND PUNISHED REGARDLESS OF THE EFFECT ON THEIR CURRENT CLIENTS, THAT THE EMPLOYEE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMENDED FOR THEIR ACTIONS. BUT THAT WASN'T THE CASE. INSTEAD, IN MY MIND, THIS BOARD APPLAUDED BAD BEHAVIOR BY THE CONTRACTOR AND DISREGARDED THE CITY AND ITS EMPLOYEES FOR DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. I, I FIND THE ACTIONS OF THE BOARD EXTREMELY EMBARRASSING, AND IT SETS A BAD EXAMPLE, BOTH FOR THE EMPLOYEE OF THIS GREAT CITY AND FOR CONTRACTORS WORKING WITHIN TO THE POINT WHERE CITY EMPLOYEES IN THE FUTURE WILL HOLD BACK IDENTIFYING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY BECAUSE OF THE PERCEPTION THAT IT'LL JUST BE OVERRIDDEN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH, I KNOW THAT WAS A, A STICKY SITUATION FOR, FOR A LOT OF US. THAT'S THAT, UH, CASE. [01:20:01] UM, IF ANYTHING, I KNOW WHAT I LEARNED FROM THAT ONE AND FROM THE GENERAL POLITICAL ARENA IS YOU DON'T TAKE YOUR VOTES FOR GRANTED ANYWAYS. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD? ROBERT HANLEY? UH, I APPLAUD MY COLLEAGUE, MR. BURS ON HIS COMMENTS. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? I THANK YOU AND THANK YOU MR. BURS, FOR YOUR COMMENTS. UM, AND REGARDING THAT, I'LL JUST SAY THAT ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES AND SOMETIMES THEY AFFECT OTHER ENTITIES. THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS AND THERE'S NO OTHER STAFF REPORTS, THEN IT IS THREE 15 AND THE MEETING'S ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.