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EXCUSE ME.I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION HISTORIC COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FOR FRIDAY, JUNE 21ST, 2024.
UM, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS.
THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JASON VASQUEZ, THE VICE CHAIR.
UH, SERVING TODAY AS THE ACTING CHAIR.
JUANITA VEDA IS THE CHAIRWOMAN AND TYPICALLY I'M THE VICE CHAIR.
UH, IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSE TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
AND EDWARD, IS THERE ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? UH, NO STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE TWO CASES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, AND THEN PLEASE NOTE THAT WE HAVE TWO ITEMS FROM INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION THAT WON'T BE HEARD TODAY.
TWO 50 QUENTIN HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
STAFF WILL RESET THAT TO BE HEARD ON JULY THE 19TH.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE ONE CASE ITEM NUMBER 6 5 0 9 KNOWN THAT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
UH, SO PLEASE NOTE THAT IF YOU ARE HERE IN PERSON, ITEM NUMBER THREE AND ITEM NUMBER SIX WILL NOT BE HEARD.
UM, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THERE ARE NO, UH, COMMENTS FOR GENERAL ITEMS AT THIS TIME.
AND I'D QUICKLY LIKE TO WELCOME OUR TWO NEW, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ISABELLE GARCIA FROM DISTRICT TWO.
AND SARAH DAVIS AS THE MAYORAL APPOINTEE.
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APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM, OH, I DON'T KNOW THE DATE.MEGAN, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT? SHOULD
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BE MAY 17TH FROM THE MAY 17TH, UH, MEETING.UM, IS THERE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 36 MADISON OR 1 28 FRENCH, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO I BELIEVE WE NEED MEETING MINUTES.
OH, THOSE WERE MEETING MINUTES.
PLEASE VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA NOW I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF.
WELL, UM, DO I NEED TO, TO GO WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, BIANCA'S NOT SIGNED IT ANYMORE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
AGENDA, CORRECT? IF, IF YOU DIDN'T, IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE MOTION FOR CONSENT AGENDA EARLIER, I THOUGHT YOU MADE THE MOTION WITH THE MEETING MINUTES.UM, IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA OR IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? SO MOVED.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MEGAN DAVIS.
NOW IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, 2 36 MADISON OR 1 28 FRENCH, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOU'LL GET YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WITHIN 10 DAYS.
UH, NOW WE ARE READY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
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ITEM NUMBER 3, 2 50, QUENTIN HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.ONCE AGAIN, THAT'LL BE HEARD AS OF NOW ON JULY THE 19TH.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 0 8 2 0 1 VANCE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 15 EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS.
AT THE, UH, TIME OF THE PUBLISHING OF THE AGENDA, STAFF HAD NOT CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT, UH, TO ASSESS THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS.
HOWEVER, UM, AS CASE COMMENT, A SITE VISIT WAS CONDUCTED ON FRIDAY, JUNE 14TH.
UM, AND STAFF CONFIRMED THAT THE WINDOWS WERE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION.
THEY DID NOT SHOW SIGNS OF SIGNIFICANT WOOD ROTT, WOOD DAMAGE, OR SEVERE DETERIORATION.
AND FEWER THAN 50% OF THE WINDOW ELEMENTS ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR.
STAFF FINDS THE WOOD WINDOWS ARE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION.
UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER DID NOTE THAT THE MANY OF THE WINDOWS ARE NOT OPERABLE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH E STAFF FINDS THAT THE WINDOWS ARE REPAIRABLE.
ANY WINDOW ELEMENTS THAT ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR MAY BE REPLACED WITH IN-KIND MATERIAL MATCHING AND MATERIAL DIMENSION PROFILE AND FINISH.
IF THE HDRC IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS IN LIEU OF VINYL WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE AND THE APPLICANT, ARNOLDO MIRANDA IS WITH US IN PERSON.
INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN DISCUSS YOUR REQUEST.
ARNOLDO MIRANDA, I LIVE AT 2 0 1 VANCE WITH MY FIANCE AND OUR ONE YEAR-OLD LITTLE BOY.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO TALK ABOUT, UM, WHY YOU'RE REQUEST MORE REPLACEMENT AND I'LL GO THROUGH THE PHOTOS.
UM, BASICALLY WE, THE WINDOWS, YES, BEAUTIFUL WINDOWS, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING MORE SAFE.
WE NOW HAVE A 1-YEAR-OLD, SO BEFORE IF IT WAS JUST MY FIANCE AND MYSELF, WE'D PROBABLY GO REPAIRING, BUT WE WANT SOMETHING MORE SAFE, MORE SECURE.
WE GOT A 1-YEAR-OLD TRYING TO SLEEP IN THE, THAT WINDOW IN THE FRONT IS GONNA BE HIS BEDROOM.
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SO THE TRAFFIC FROM THE BARS THAT ARE COMING UP AND ALSO THE TRAFFIC FROM THE PICNIC, FROM JUST PEOPLE WALKING AROUND AT NIGHT, JUST, WE'RE GONNA FEEL BETTER IF WE HAVE SOMETHING STRONGER.THE VINYL ONES WERE A LITTLE STRONGER THAN THE ONES WE SAW, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM REPLACED AND NOT REPAIRED.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OR ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK TO? WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS REQUEST.
I'LL ENTERTAIN UH, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
UM, SIR, DID YOU HAPPEN TO LOOK INTO, UM, REPLACING THEM IN KIND OR REPAIRING, I'M SORRY, REPAIRING THEM AND OR REPLACING THEM IN KIND OR HAVE YOU ONLY EXPLORED THE VINYL OPTION? WE'VE JUST, EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN THAT I'VE SEEN STRONGER ARE THE VINYL ONES AND THEY'RE NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SOME OF THEM ARE OUT IN AROUND TOWN.
WE HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WENT WITH THE COMPANY WE'RE GOING WITH AND THE WINDOWS THAT THEY'VE PURCHASED SEEM SAFE AND THEY, WE LIKE THEM.
THEY, WE JUST NEED SOME WITH SCREENS AND LOCKS AND JUST, I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE STRONGER IN TRYING TO REPAIR THEM IS THE ROUTE WE'RE GOING.
COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH YOUR, UH, YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS, UH, FOR WHY YOU THINK THE VINYL WINDOWS ARE, ARE STRONGER AND SAFER? THIS IS JUST GOING FROM, UM, I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER VINYLS.
I, I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANYONE PUNCH OR HIT OR REALLY THROW ANYTHING AT WOODEN ONES.
I FEEL LIKE IF THE GLASS IS GONNA BREAK, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THE VINYL ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING AND EITHER FAMILY MEMBERS OR FRIENDS' HOMES, I FEEL TO MY, TO ME, ARE JUST STRONGER THAN WHAT I'VE SEEN AROUND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, DEFINITELY NOT AS PRETTY AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE WOODEN AND WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THE SAFETY IS OUR BIGGEST CONCERN AND I FEEL LIKE ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, I I'M STILL IN MY OWN MIND NOT SURE WHY VINYL ONES ARE SAFER THAN THE WOODEN ONES BECAUSE THE PANELS ARE STILL GLASS.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE, I DIDN'T COMPARE TWO ONE BY ONE.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADD, UM, IN LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'RE REPLACING THE WOOD WINDOWS WITH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS THERE NOW.
WE WERE, WE WANT TO KEEP THE LOOK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT COMPLETELY HAVING TO RE REPAIR THE WOODEN ONES.
AND IS IT DOUBLE GLAZED GLASS OR WHAT IS IT ABOUT IT THAT YOU FEEL MAKES THEM SAFER? THE NEW ONES? YEAH.
WE'VE JUST BEEN TOLD THEY WERE SAFE AND THEY SEEM SAFE.
AND SO THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY RESEARCH DONE INTO PRICE COMPARISON BETWEEN REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT WITH WOOD WINDOWS? NO, MA'AM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY.
UM, ANY COMMENTS THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ABOUT, UH, THE EVIDENCE OR, UM, FINDINGS? I, IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS, UM, I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT.
UM, MY COLLEAGUE'S CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, VINYL VERSUS WOOD, UH, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE, OR THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MORE SAFER OF THE TWO, THE WOOD WINDOWS AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE YOU, UM, FROM HAVING TO SPEND ON REPLA WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.
UH, JUST REPAIRING WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY THERE.
UM, THEY APPEARED TO BE IN GREAT CONDITION.
UH, RACHEL, WOULD YOU MIND SLIDING THROUGH THE, SOME OF THE PICKS THAT ARE MORE DETAILED AND WHAT WAS STAFF'S OBSERVATIONS OF THE WINDOWS
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AND UH, WHAT WAS, WHAT WOULD YOU GRADE THE WINDOWS AS? SURE.UH, THE WINDOWS ARE IN GOOD CONDITION.
UH, THERE WERE NO VISIBLE SIGNS OF WOOD WROUGHT ON THE SASHES, UM, OR THE MEETING RAIL OR THE STYLES.
UH, THE CORDS ARE ALL INTACT, UM, AND THE GLASS SEEMED TO BE INTACT AS WELL.
SO POTENTIALLY SOME REWORKING OF THE SASHES COULD BE USED TO MAKE THEM MORE OPERABLE.
UM, AND THEN IF THERE WERE ANY ISSUES WITH EFFICIENCY, OBVIOUSLY STAFF ALWAYS RECOMMENDS INTERIOR WINDOW INSERTS OR FILM TO BE INSTALLED ON THE INTERIOR.
UM, SO STAFF FINDS THAT THE WINDOWS ARE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER CLOSING COMMENTS? AND IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN IN MOTION FROM A COMMISSIONER.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS NOTED THERE.
CAN HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, DAVIS? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE HRCC TAB CASE 2024 DASH 2 0 1 5 16 EAST COURTLAND PLACE.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD FRONT DOOR WITH THE FIBERGLASS REPLACEMENT DOOR.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD FRONT DOOR IN A STYLE THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE STRUCTURE FEATURING CLEAR GLASS BASED ON FINDING B.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A PRODUCT SPECIFICATION FOR STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
A SALVAGE WOOD DOOR WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE AND THE APPLICANT MARIA NELSON IS ATTENDING IN PERSON.
I UM, AND JUST FOR A QUICK NOTE, THERE ARE ZERO LETTERS IN THE FOLDER AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL.
DO WE PLAY THE VOICEMAIL NOW? UH, WE CAN PLAY THE VOICEMAIL AFTER THE APPLICANT GIVES THEIR PRESENTATION.
DO YOU HAVE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND DISCUSS YOUR REQUEST? OKAY, THANK YOU.
AND UH, YEAH, WE ARE THE HOMEOWNERS AT FIVE 16 EAST CORTLAND.
WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AND WE WANNA REPLACE OUR NON-ORIGINAL WOOD, PRETTY DAMAGED FRONT DOOR WITH A FIBERGLASS WOOD LOOK, UH, CRAFTSMAN STYLE FRONT DOOR WITH TEXTURED GLASS.
AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY COMMENTS.
AND DO YOU WANNA PLAY THE, THE VOICEMAIL? UH, MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER.
I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET, 7 8 2 1 2.
UH, I'M CALLING ABOUT, UH, A CRC CASE NUMBER 20 24 2 0 1 5 1 6 EAST COURTLAND PLACE.
I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE DOOR IN QUESTION SHOULD BE REPLACED IN KIND.
THAT IS WE AGREE WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION PERSONNEL, UH, THAT THE DOOR, UH, SHOULD BE, UH, PART AND PARCEL TO THIS HISTORIC HOME AND SHOULD LOOK AS IF IT BELONGS THERE.
WAS THERE ANYTHING Y'ALL WANTED TO ADD FOR YOUR PRESENTATION? UM, I DON'T THINK SO.
I MEAN, ADDRESSING THAT COMMENT, THE GOAL IS TO LIKE GET A DOOR THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE IT'S MADE OF WOOD AND EVERYTHING IS WOOD, BUT HAS LESS MAINTENANCE IN THE LONG TERM AND ALSO HAS BETTER INSULATION BOTH ENERGY AND SOUND WISE AND IS LOWER MAINTENANCE COSTS LIKE ALSO IN THE LONG TERM.
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VISIBLY APPEAR THAT IT IS A WOOD DOOR AND SO IN THE SITUATION OF LOOKING LIKE IT SHOULD FIT IN THE HOUSE, LIKE THE GOAL IS TO HAVE IT LOOK LIKE THAT.I'LL ENTERTAIN, UH, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? MM-HMM.
UM, YEAH, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE STAFF'S STIPULATION OF WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN FROM HERE IN TERMS OF THE DOOR? UH, I MEAN, I THINK THE STAFF STIPULATED THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A WOOD DOOR AND WE'RE STILL ADVOCATING THAT WE WANT A WOOD LOOK FIBERGLASS DOOR, SO I THINK WE'RE NOT AGREEING WITH THE STAFF.
THAT'S JUST WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY.
DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT AT ALL CLAUDIA ON ANY OF THAT OR, UH, IT'S ALL IN HERE.
AND I DID SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO COMING HERE LETTING HER KNOW THE STIPULATIONS.
UM, AND SHE'S CLEAR ON THE FIBERGLASS INSTALLATION? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IS THERE A, HOW'S THE AVAILABILITY FOR A REPLACEMENT WOODEN DOOR COME AGAIN? I THINK THE STAFF WANTED A REPLACEMENT WOODEN DOOR IS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
IS THAT AVAILABLE EVEN AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THEIR REQUEST? YES.
SO THERE ARE WOOD DOORS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AT, OF COURSE, BIG, BIG BOX STORES, BUT WE ALSO ADVOCATE FOR SALVAGE REUSE, UM, STORES.
SO THOSE ARE ALSO AN OPTION TOO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? UH, A QUESTION REGARDING THE, UH, ENERGY AUDIT THAT THE CPS ENERGY FOLKS DID.
UM, DID THEY, THEY DID RECOMMEND THAT YOU REPLACE THE DOOR? DID WHAT, WHAT EX WHAT WHAT WERE THE, SORRY, WHAT WAS THEIR SPECIFIC ADVICE AND WERE THEY CPS EMPLOYEES OR, YES.
WELL ACTUALLY I THINK CPS USED AS A CONTRACTOR TO DO THE ENERGY AUDIT, SO IT WASN'T A CPS EMPLOYEE, BUT UM, AND WE DID JUST LIKE THE FREE AUDIT SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE.
UM, AND THEY DIDN'T RECOMMEND A SPECIFIC TYPE OF DOOR BEING LIKE TO REPLACE OUR CURRENT DOOR WITH, BUT THEY DID RECOMMEND LIKE OUR DOOR IS LIKE SEVERELY OUT OF TRUE AND THERE'S LIKE A CENTIMETER GAP THAT YOU CAN LIKE FEEL THE AIR COMING IN.
SO HE WAS LIKE, THIS IS FOR SURE LIKE YOUR NUMBER ONE THING THAT YOU NEED TO DO, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT PRECIPITATED THIS PROCESS.
SO YEAH, HE DIDN'T SPECIFY, UH, LIKE A MATERIAL TO REPLACE IT WITH.
YEAH, JUST LIKE WE CAME UP WITH FIBERGLASS BECAUSE WE'RE REPLACING IT OURSELVES AND LIKE OVER THE LONG TERM, I THINK THE MAINTENANCE COST AND LIKE, UH, ENERGY THAT IT TAKES US TO DO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE WOOD DOOR IS LIKE SLIGHTLY HIGHER.
AND ALSO FOR THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY, LIKE THAT'S WHY WE DID THE ENERGY AUTO.
WE HAVE LIKE INSANE ENERGY BILLS RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE FEEL LIKE WE DON'T USE THAT MUCH.
SO, UM, THE GOAL IS TO JUST LIKE MAKE OUR HOUSE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT AND LESS MAINTENANCE IN THE LONG TERM.
IF I COULD ADD, UM, JUST FOR A CASE NOTE, UM, THIS HOUSE IS, IS AN OLDER HOME.
SO ONCE YOU GET TO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, THERE'S SOME MAINTENANCE THAT YOU DO HAVE TO ATTEND TO.
UM, BUT DOES WOOD DOES, UM, CONTRAST RIGHT? IT'LL, UM, MOVE WITH THE, WITH THE WEATHER, SO DOES THE WOOD DOOR.
UM, AND THERE ARE SHIMS THAT YOU CAN USE THAT CAN HELP WITH THAT GAP, UM, IN THE INSTALLATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'LL OPEN IT TO, OH, GO AHEAD.
IS THERE ANY, UM, FOR, FOR CLAUDIA IS, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THAT FIBERGLASS DOESN'T EXPAND AND CONTRACT AND THEREFORE CREATE ACTUAL DAMAGE TO THE DOORFRAME? YEAH, THE, THE METAL WILL NOT CONTRAST THE WAY WOOD WILL AND THAT'S WHY THEY USE THE WOOD
IT IT'S SORT OF LIKE, I GUESS BRICKS AND MORTAR IN THE SENSE THAT YOU WANT THE MORTAR TO, YOU'RE OKAY WITH REPLACING IT BECAUSE YOU WANNA PROTECT THE BRICKS AND IF YOU, IF YOU, IF IF YOUR MORTAR IS TOO HARD THEN IT ACTUALLY DAMAGES THE BRICKS.
SO I GUESS IF THE DOOR IS TOO SOLID PER SE, THEN YOU CAN POTENTIALLY DAMAGE THE DOOR JAMB OVER OVER TIME.
YOU WANT HAVE THAT REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OVER TIME.
COULD I FOLLOW UP ON THAT? SO LIKE TO ADD SHIMS, THAT WOULD BE LIKE TAKING OFF THE DOOR FRAME AND THEN LIKE RE I GUESS YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE FULL DOOR TO JUST SHIM A DOOR THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
UM, BUT THE DOOR FRAME IS WOOD ALREADY AND IT WILL STAY WOOD.
UM, WHEN WE REPLACE OR OKAY IT, THE DOOR, THE DOOR JAM IS WOOD CURRENTLY AND IT WILL, WOULD BE REPLACED WITH A FIBERGLASS WOOD LOOK JAM, BUT THE SHIMS WOULD STILL BE WOOD AND IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE SHIMMED
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IN THE SAME WAY THAT A WOOD DOOR WOULD.YOU CAN ALSO, UH, INDIVIDUALLY SHIM THE HINGES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OFF THE DOOR WHOLLY.
UM, AND YOU CAN OF COURSE USE WOOD OR IF YOU ARE INTO RECYCLING, UM, YOU CAN ALSO USE CARDBOARD TO AS ACT AS A SHIM ON THE HINGE.
UM, JUST REAL QUICK, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT UH, THE DOOR THAT IS IN PLACE NOW IS NOT THE ORIGINAL DOOR.
AND THAT IT'S ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN THE ORIGINAL DOOR WOULD'VE BEEN.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS IN TERMS OF, UH, GAPS AND AREAS WHERE, UH, HEAT OR COLD MIGHT BE LOST BECAUSE IN LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
RIGHT? SO ARE YOU GOING TO BE REPLACING THAT DOOR? I THOUGHT YOU WERE WITH ONE THAT FITS THE ORIGINAL SIZE OPENING.
SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING 34, WHATEVER IT IS NOW MM-HMM.
COULD I COMMENT ON THAT OR? YEAH, SO THE, THE LIKE GAPS THAT YOU CAN SEE AROUND THE DOOR JAM, LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE THAT ARE NOT NEXT TO THE DOOR SLAB, THOSE ARE FROM US PULLING OFF THE TRIM.
THERE'S LIKE NO INSULATION IN THE WALL RIGHT NOW.
SO THE GOAL IS TO RIP EVERYTHING OUT, REPLACE IT WITH ONE THAT'S BIGGER AND LIKE SHOVE INSULATION IN ALL THE WALLS.
SO THOSE GAPS REGARDLESS OF THE DOOR TYPE WOULD NOT BE THERE ANYMORE.
THE GAPS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIX, EVEN IF IT WAS REPLACED WITH THE DOOR OF THE SAME SIZE ARE BETWEEN THE JAM AND THE DOOR SLAB.
AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THE DOOR, WELL OF COURSE THE HOUSE IS APPEAR AND BEAM AND EVERYTHING IS LIKE MOVING ALL THE TIME, BUT THE DOOR IS LIKE, UH, COCKEYED IN THE JAM
YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING NEW.
SO IT'S A 34 INCH DOOR SLAB RIGHT NOW AND WE WOULD REPLACE IT WITH A 36 INCH DOOR SLAB.
AND UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENT FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, I FEEL THAT, UM, THERE ARE WOOD DOORS OUT THERE THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE HAVING IN TERMS OF HEAT OR COLD LOSS, UH, THROUGH UH, THINGS LIKE WEATHER STRIPPING AND PROPERLY, UM, CREATING A FRAME FOR THE DOOR THAT WOULD BE, UH, A SNUG FOR IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, AND THAT WOOD DOORS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ALL OVER THIS CITY AND OTHER CITIES WHERE, I MEAN I LIVE IN A HOUSE WITH WOOD DOORS AND UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE IT AS THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE.
MAY I REPLY TO THAT? UM, YEAH, SO I THINK IN THE SITUATION OF EITHER DOOR TYPE, IF WE WEATHER STRIP THEM EQUIVALENTLY THE, LIKE OUR VALUE OR THE LIKE INSULATION VALUE OF THE ACTUAL DOOR SLAB IS HIGHER WITH FIBER FIBERGLASS THAN WOULD, SO THAT WAS THE REASON TO GO WITH FIBERGLASS IS LIKE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE INSULATION.
WE JUST WANTED THE MOST INSULATING DOOR POSSIBLE JUST TO KEEP ENERGY BILLS DOWN
WHILE LOOKING, UH, AS CLASSIC AS POSSIBLE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATION ON, ON WHAT THE PRICE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE TWO TYPES OF DOORS? UH, I THINK DEPENDING ON HOW FANCY YOU WANNA GET, THERE'S LIKE, THERE CAN BE A LOT OF PRICE DIFFERENCE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SORT OF THE MOST BASIC DOOR GEOMETRY.
WE DON'T HAVE LIKE THE SIDE PANELS AND IT'S JUST A SINGLE DOOR SLAB WHERE WE WOULD WANNA GET IT PRE-HUNG IN EITHER CASE.
I'VE SEEN THEM FOR AN EQUIVALENT WOOD DOOR.
I'VE SEEN THEM LIKE YOU CAN GO REALLY CHEAP AT LIKE HOME DEPOT OR SOMETHING LIKE A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS TO LIKE 2000, $2,500 FOR LIKE A, A MUCH NICER UM, DOOR.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S EQUIVALENT IN THE RANGE DEPENDING ON, DEPENDING ON QUALITY THAT YOU CAN GET FROM LIKE A BIG BOX VERSUS ORDERING IN CUSTOM, WHICH THIS WOULD BE A CUSTOM.
SO, BUT FOR TWO LIKE EQUIVALENT DOORS, WHICH ONE'S MORE EXPENSIVE? PRO PROBABLY THE FIBERGLASS WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM, UH, FROM JUANITA ONLINE.
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JUAN, I'M GONNA APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE MY CONNECTION'S KIND OF SPOTTY, BUT PRIOR TO BRINGING THE, THE REQUEST TO THE DOOR, DID YOU ASK ABOUT OTHER REFURBISHED DOORS THAT WOULD MEET THE NEEDS? WAS THAT QUESTION ASKED? BECAUSE I I COULDN'T REALLY HEAR.WAS THAT A QUESTION TO Y'ALL OR? OH, UM, YES, WE DID LOOK UP, UM, UH, DOOR OPTIONS FOR WOOD REFURBISH DOORS AND I'M SUPER GAMED TO DO THAT IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO.
BUT JUST BECAUSE IT IS LOWER INSULATION, LIKE LOWER, THERE'S LIKE THE TWO VALUES THAT THEY LOOK FOR IN THE LIKE FEDERAL ENERGY STAR PROGRAM AND THE WOOD DOORS ARE, I MEAN, WOOD DOORS ARE LOWER ON BOTH FOR AN EQUIVALENT DOOR AND SO WE WANTED THE BETTER INSTALLATION OPTION.
MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT IS WITH YOU FOLLOWING UP AND WORKING IN ACCORDANCE TO THEM THEN YOU WERE AWARE OF THE REGULATIONS FOR THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT ACCORDING TO THIS DOOR? YES.
YEAH, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? UM, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES, UM, THAT, UM, THE WOOD DOOR, UH, CAN BE WORKED WITH OR IF YOU FIND AN EQUIVALENT DOOR AT ONE OF THE PICK AND PULLS, UH, THERE'S LOTS OF 'EM ACTUALLY IN THAT STYLE.
CAN I? YEAH, IN THAT CASE I DON'T THINK WE COULD GET IT PRE-HUNG BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE A CUSTOM, WE WOULD JUST BE GETTING THE DOOR SLAB AND LIKE DOING IT OURSELVES.
THAT MAKES IT LIKE A LOT HARDER TO HANG THE DOOR.
SO WE WOULD WANNA ORDER ONE REGARDLESS THAT WE COULD HAVE PRE-HUNG, I THINK.
WHICH IF THERE'S AN OPTION TO HAVE A REFURBISHED DOOR THAT IS WOOD AND PRE-HUNG, WE WOULD DO THAT.
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? UH, YES.
I THINK THAT IF YOU WERE TO LOOK FOR A SALVAGE DOOR, YOU MIGHT FIND ONE THAT ACTUALLY COMES WITH A FRAME, SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT YOU COULD ALSO THEN, I MEAN IF YOU HAVE ONE THAT IS PRE-HUNG, ARE YOU GOING TO BE INSTALLING IT YOURSELF? THAT'S THE GOAL.
WITH POSSIBLY LIKE TAPPING IN OUR HAND DEMAND TO IF WE CAN'T DO IT.
I THINK THAT, UH, CONCLUDES THE COMMENTS PART.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO IN THIS CASE THE TEXTURED GLASS WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO EITHER.
THERE'S A SECOND ON THE MOTION.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS AS A REMINDER, ITEM NUMBER 6 5 0 9 NOLAN HAS BEEN DRAWN.
UH, WE WILL NOW HEAR ITEM NUMBER 7 5 63 DONALDSON.
UH, AND JUST AS A REMINDER OR A HEADS UP, WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN TO SPEAK WHEN THE TIME COMES.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH TWO TEN FIVE SIXTY THREE DONALDSON.
THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 16 WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS FOR CASE HISTORY AND FINDING B STAFF RECEIVED A REPORT ON MAY 16TH, 2024.
THAT WINDOW REPLACEMENT WAS TAKING PLACE ON THE PROPERTY AT 5 63 DONALDSON WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
OHP STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT ON MAY 17TH, 2024 AND ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER TO THE CONTRACTOR ON SITE AND FOLLOWED UP WITH A STOP WORK ORDER BY EMAIL TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THE SAME DAY.
WORK CONTINUED ON SITE AND THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT WAS COMPLETED.
THE PROPERTY OWNER SUBMITTED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION ON MAY 20TH, 2024 AND IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AS INSTALLED.
A $500 POST WORK APPLICATION FEE HAS BEEN ASSESSED BY STAFF AND PAID BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS INSTALLED 16 UH, WOOD WINDOWS OR REPLACED 16 EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH DON YOUNG 8,400 SERIES THERMAL BRAKE ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH FAUX DIVIDED LIGHTS.
STAFF COMPLETED A SITE VISIT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ON JUNE 12TH, 2024.
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PREVIOUSLY EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS HAVE BEEN DISCARDED.UH, PHOTOS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT OF ONE OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS SHOWS EXTENSIVE DETERIORATION TO THE WINDOW SCREEN, BUT THE WINDOW SASH DID NOT APPEAR TO BE DETERIORATED AND THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS INSTALLED DO NOT MEET STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
AS ANOTHER CASE COMMENT, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, PREVIOUSLY STATED THAT, UM, SIX WOOD WINDOWS, INCLUDING TWO GANGED WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE WERE REPLACED WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN 1991.
THESE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY INSTALLED DO MATCH THOSE PREVIOUSLY REPLACED WINDOWS.
AND FOR, UM, THE COMMISSION'S GUIDANCE, THIS PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATED WITH PHASE ONE OF THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT IN 1995.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM WINDOW PRODUCT.
BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE INSTALLED THAT MEET THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
WE DO HAVE, UM, TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
IN YOUR LETTERS FOLDER, WE HAVE SIX VOICEMAILS AND THEN THERE IS ONE PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, SIGNED UP IN PERSON AND THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT ELIZABETH NELSON IS WITH US IN PERSON TODAY.
UH, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH NELSON AND I AM THE PROUD OWNER OF 5 63 DONALDSON AVENUE.
I'M HERE TO ADDRESS YOU THE HISTORIC COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD TO REVIEW MY WINDOW REQUEST AND ALLOW ME TO COMPLETE WINDOW UPDATES THAT I'VE BEEN MAKING AT MY HOME SINCE 1983.
I APPRECIATE THE GOALS OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT HELPED SHAPE THE DIVERSE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO.
I KNOW THIS DEPARTMENT TAKES ON THE RESPONSIBILITY TO TELL THE STORY OF THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO WHILE ALLOWING HOMEOWNERS TO KEEP THEIR SENSE OF BELONGING LIKE MYSELF.
I WANNA CONTINUE TO LIVE THERE FOR ANOTHER 40 YEARS AT LEAST I HOPE IN THIS REQUEST YOU WILL HONOR MY PAST 41 YEARS OF HISTORY IN MY HOME AND MY JOURNEY OF TRYING TO PRESERVE IT.
I HAVE LIVED IN SAN ANTONIO MY ENTIRE 67 YEARS O SEVEN YEARS, AND HAVE OWNED MY HOME ON DONALDSON SINCE THE SPRING OF 1983.
MY THEN HUSBAND ASKED ME TO CONSIDER PURCHASING 5 63 DONALDSON.
I WAS 26 YEARS OLD, PREGNANT WITH OUR FIRST CHILD AND ONLY IN MY 30 YEAR OF TEACHING MAKING LESS THAN $9,000 A YEAR.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CREDIT OR SAVINGS, SO I RELUCTANTLY SOLD EVERYTHING I OWN TO PUT A DOWN PAYMENT FOR THE MORTGAGE OF THIS HOUSE THAT WE COULD AFFORD.
I SOLD MY DIAMOND WEDDING RING, MY CAR, MY JEWELRY THAT MY GRANDMOTHER FROM MEXICO GAVE ME, AND WE PURCHASED THE HOME FROM THE ORIGINAL HOME HOMEOWNERS, THE HARRISON FAMILY.
WE BROUGHT IT AS IS, WHICH MEANT THAT WE WERE BUYING A HOME THAT WAS GONNA REQUIRE IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS INCLUDES WINDOWS THAT WERE ALREADY INOPERABLE WITH BROKEN WEIGHTS AND ROTTEN WOOD.
THE HARRISON FAMILY USED A WATER COOLER IN TWO DIFFERENT WINDOWS DOWNSTAIRS TO COOL THEIR HOME.
FIVE YEARS LATER IN 1988, PREGNANT WITH MY SECOND CHILD, I DIVORCED MY HUSBAND BECAUSE OF LOTS OF UGLY REASONS THAT BROKE MY HEART.
DURING THIS CHALLENGING TIME OF NAVIGATING FINANCIAL DECISIONS WITH THE DIVORCE, I ONLY ASKED FOR TWO THINGS, FULL CUSTODY OF MY CHILDREN AND THE HOUSE PAID WITH NO MORTGAGE, NO CHILD SUPPORT, NO INSURANCE OR ANY OTHER FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE EXPECTED OF HIM.
TO THIS DAY, I'M PROUD OF THIS DECISION BECAUSE MY HOME MEANS EVERYTHING TO ME.
IT HAS PROVIDED ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW MY CHILDREN AND MYSELF THAT I COULD TAKE CARE OF MYSELF AND THEM IF I JUST HAD A HOME.
THIS IS MY PERSONAL HISTORY, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME PHYSICAL CHANGES AND RENOVATIONS FROM 1983 TO 1991 THAT WILL GIVE YOU INSIGHTS TO MY CURRENT REQUEST.
THE FIRST WINDOW CHANGES WE MADE TO OUR HOME WAS IN 1983 WHEN WE, WHEN WE BEGAN WORKING ON REMODELING THE HOME, THE THREE LARGE WOOD WINDOWS FROM THE DINING ROOM BACK WALL FACING THE BACKYARD WERE REMOVED.
WE PUT IN FRENCH DOORS ACROSS THE BACK WALL TO BRING IN MORE LIGHT INTO A DARK SPACE.
IN 1987, WE CONTINUED TO MAKE CHANGES AND DECIDED TO IMPROVE OUR VERY SMALL KITCHEN.
WE MOVED, WE REMOVED AND CLOSED OFF THE ORIGINAL BACK DOOR THAT WAS IN THE KITCHEN AND ADDED TWO WINDOWS IN THE BACK WALL AND UPDATED THE SIDE WINDOW OF THE KITCHEN.
ALL THREE WINDOWS IN THE KITCHEN WERE REPLACED WITH ALUMINUM METAL WINDOWS.
HEAVY RAINS AND FLOODING WERE PERSISTENT IN 85, 86 AND 87 IN ADDITION, MAYBE SOME OF YOU REMEMBER THAT IN 1985 AND FEBRUARY
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WE HAD A SEVERE 13 INCHES OF SNOW.WHAT THIS MEANT FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH I WAS BELOW, ABOVE THE FLOOD ZONE, WAS WATER WAS POOLING UNDER MY HOUSE.
DUE TO CREATING AND CREATING SOME FOUNDATION ISSUES, LARGE CRACKS IN THE WALLS AND WINDOW FRAMES THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE WERE VISIBLE.
MY WINDOWS AND DOORS WERE NOT ABLE TO CLOSE PROPERLY, SO WE BEGAN TO SAVE SOME MONEY TO WORK ON THE FOUNDATION.
WE COMPLETED SOME FOUNDATION WORK AND ADDED RAIN GUTTERS TO REDIRECT WATER AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND PREVENT ADDITIONAL DAMAGE TO OUR HOME.
THEN IN 1990, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SHOW THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, A TALL SYCAMORE TREE THAT WAS IN THE FRONT YARD FELL ONTO THE HOUSE DURING A WINDY STORM AND DAMAGED THE FRONT PART OF MY HOME.
AS A SINGLE MOTHER WITH TWO CHILDREN AND ONLY ONE INCOME, I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO REPAIR THE CRACKED FRAME HOLDING THE SIX WINDOWS, THE BROKEN WINDOWS THEMSELVES, OR THE LOOSE BROKEN ROCKS AT THE TIME.
AT THAT TIME, MY HOUSE IS MADE OF ROCK.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT TOOK A FULL YEAR TO SAVE ENOUGH MONEY, AND IN THE MEANTIME, THE AREA BECAME TO DETERIORATE.
I TOOK ON EXTRA WORK, TEACHING CAKE DECORATING CLASSES IN THE EVENING, AND TUTORING SPECIAL ED STUDENTS TO SAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BEGIN MAKING REPAIRS.
IN 1991, I REPLACED ALL SIX WINDOWS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR WITH METAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS REPAIRED THE WINDOW FRAME AND REPAIRED THE ROCK DAMAGE.
LATER THAT YEAR, THE MASTER BATHROOM REQUIRED RENOVATION, STARTING FROM PLUMBING ISSUES IN THE SHOWER AND A CRACKED PIPE IN THE WALL.
THAT REQUIRED ME TO REPLACE THAT WINDOW AS WELL.
WITH ALUMINUM METAL WINDOW, I STILL HAVE THE ORIGINAL CAST ARM PLUMBING THAT HAS ITS OWN SET OF CHALLENGES AND A HOME THAT WAS BUILT IN THE THIRTIES.
THERE WAS WATER DAMAGE IN THE BATHROOM AND THE SIDE WALL AND THE DEN THAT SITS BELOW THIS BATHROOM AND THAT DOWNSTAIRS WINDOW.
AT THIS POINT IN HISTORY, I MADE CHANGES WITH WINDOWS ON EVERY SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
FROM 1983 TO 19 91, 13 WOOD WINDOWS HAD BEEN REPLACED WITH METAL WINDOWS AND FRENCH DOORS.
THE TWO MOST SIGNIFICANT POINTS THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT, THAT ABOUT THIS HISTORY IS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, HAD CLEARLY BEEN ESTABLISHED WITH DON YOUNG ALUMINUM METAL WINDOWS.
IT IS WHAT MY NEIGHBORS COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND JEFFERSON STUDENTS HAVE SEEN AS THEY WALKED TO AND FROM SCHOOL FOR THE PAST 33 YEARS.
THE SECOND POINT IS THAT FOR 33, FOR 33 YEARS, THE WINDOWS I REPLACED HAVE STOOD UP TO TIME THE WEATHER CHANGES.
WE'VE HAD THE CHALLENGES OF CONTINUED FOUNDATIONS, UH, AND THEY ALL ARE STILL OPERABLE.
THE SECOND POINT IS THAT FOR 33 YEARS, THE WINDOWS HAVE REPLACED AGGRAVATED SAID THAT HAVE STOOD UP TO THE CHALLENGES.
THE HISTORY OF 5 63 DONALDSON REFLECTS THAT I WAS ALWAYS TRYING TO BE A RESPONSIBLE HOMEOWNER AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD REFLECT ITS UNIQUE BEAUTY.
I SELECTED DON YOUNG WINDOWS FOR ALL THESE REPLACEMENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE MADE WITH QUALITY MATERIALS, ENERGY EFFICIENT ENHANCEMENTS RECOMMENDED BY CPS AND THEY ADD VALUE TO THE APPEARANCE OF MY HOME.
DON YOUNG STAFFED WORKED WITH ME TO CUSTOM FIT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE OF THE WINDOWS.
I REVIEWED MANY TYPES OF WINDOWS AND MADE THIS DECISION AS A RESPONSIBLE HOMEOWNER BACK HOMEOWNER.
BACK THEN, I WAS ALSO INFLUENCED BY THE HISTORY OF MANY OTHER HOMES IN THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
I SUBMITTED OVER 25 PICTURES OF CURRENT EXAMPLES WHERE THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALUMINUM METAL WINDOWS.
THE MOST IMPORTANT EXAMPLE OF USING ALUMINUM WINDOWS IS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL ITSELF.
IT'S A HISTORICAL LANDMARK IN OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, WOOD WINDOWS WERE REPLACED IN THE, IN THE, UH, WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN THE LIBRARY AND THE CAFETERIA WHERE I SAW THEM FIRSTHAND.
I WORKED THERE IN 1998 TO 2001.
I'VE BEEN IN THE BUILDING NUMEROUS TIMES.
ALL THESE HISTORICAL DECISIONS BY OTHERS IN MY COMMUNITY INFLUENCED MY THINKING ABOUT INSTALLING QUALITY ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
THESE 13 WINDOW REPLACEMENTS THAT I REVIEWED HISTORICALLY WITH YOU WERE COMPLETED BEFORE DESIGNATED AS A HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE YEAR AFTER RETIRING AFTER 43 YEARS IN PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION.
MY CHILDREN ARE GROWN MEN WITH THEIR OWN HOMES AND FAMILIES, AND I'M THINKING ABOUT HOW I WILL LIVE THE NEXT 40 YEARS.
I'M NOT PLANNING ON SELLING MY HOME.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SUSTAIN MY OWN HEALTH AND THAT OF MY HOME SO THAT I CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE THERE.
AS A RETIREE IN THE SPRING OF 2020 WITH COVID RESTRICTIONS, I WAS FORCED TO WORK FROM HOME.
THROUGH ZOOM, I BEGAN TO SEE FA I I BEGAN TO SEE AND FACE THE VISIBLE AREAS OF MY HOME THAT I HAD BEEN NEGLECTING.
I DO NOT HAVE CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING LIKE MANY HOMEOWNERS DO HAVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
AND I ALSO HEAT MY HOME WITH A WOODBURN STOVE AND I COLLECT THE OWN WOOD MYSELF FROM A RANCH THAT WE OWN AND MY FAMILY.
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I'M ALSO DEPENDENT ON WHAT TO DO.I'M ALSO DEPENDENT ON WHAT TO DO, THE RIGHT THING TO REDUCE ENERGY BY OPENING AND CLOSING MY WINDOWS.
I AM AWARE OF THE EFFECTS OF GLOBAL WARMING.
I HAVE FELT THE SIGNIFICANT WEATHER CHANGES.
WE SAW THAT IN FEBRUARY 21 WHEN WE WERE ALL HELD HOSTAGE TO THE COLD.
I RAN OUT OF WOOD THAT WINTER OF ALL THE YEARS, AND I HAD TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF AND FIGURED THINGS OUT.
I'VE ALSO NOTICED THE CHANGE IN THE SUMMER.
AGAIN, I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE HEAT ARE, ARE CRAZY WITH THE, UH, A HUNDRED PLUS WET, UH, TEMPERATURES FOR MORE THAN 70 DAYS.
THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN KEEP COOL WERE THROUGH THOSE AC WINDOW UNITS THAT I DID USE THAT HAVE CREATED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE AND OVERALL FUNCTIONALITY OF THE WOOD WINDOWS LISTED ON THE FLOOR PLAN AND MARKED WITH A STAR.
I THINK YOU HAVE THAT AC WINDOWS ARE INEXPENSIVE, NEVER SIT PROPERLY ON THE WINDOW FRAME FRAMES, AND THEY'RE CONSTANT RATTLING AND SHAKING, ADDED TO THE DETERIORATION OF THE WOMAN OF THE WINDOWS AND CRACKED SOME WINDOWS.
IN ADDITION, WHEN IT RAINED OR HAILED, THE WATER WOULD ACCUMULATE AND ADD THE DETERIORATION.
THE REMAINING WINDOW WIND WINDOWS THAT I HAD WERE NOT OPERATIONAL AND I COULD NEVER OPEN AND CLOSE ONE.
I KEPT ONE OPEN IN THE BATHROOM THAT I HELD UP WITH RULERS STICKS THAT I USED.
IN SOME AREAS, THE GAP WAS SO LARGE, ESPECIALLY THE DOWNSTAIRS AREA FACING THE, THE DRIVEWAY THAT RATS COULD ENTER.
IS THIS BEING TIMED WITHIN THE ALLOWED TIME? YES.
MM-HMM,
I WAS JUST MAKING SURE EVERYONE IS GETTING THERE A LOT OF TIME.
NO, I TIME MYSELF SO I'M, GO AHEAD.
THE GAP WAS SO LARGE THAT RATS COULD ENTER A NEST IN THE WALL AND THERE WAS WHEAT LEAKING CAUSING EXCESSIVE UTILITY USAGE AND ALLOWING WATER TO ROT IN THE WALL.
AND THE WOOD, THE WINDOWS NO LONGER PERFORMED BECAUSE OF THE DETERIORATING CONDITIONS, AND COSMETICALLY DID NOT ADD VALUE TO THE APPEARANCE OF MY HOME.
EVEN THOUGH MY TAXES HAVE BEEN GOING UP FOR MAKING, MAKING IMPROVEMENTS, ONE WINDOW WAS DAMAGED WHEN SOMEONE TRIED TO BREAK IN AND BROKE PARTS WITH A HAMMER TO TRY TO ENTER ONLY CREATING MORE DAMAGE.
IT WAS MY PLAN TO UPDATE THE SIDE WINDOWS TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL FRONT WINDOWS.
I THOUGHT THAT IF I WAS MATCHING MY EXISTING WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 33 YEARS, THAT I WAS OKAY TO PROCEED TO WORK.
THAT THERE WAS SEVERITY DETERIORATION FROM THE ORIGINAL DAMAGE OF THE WINDOWS FROM WINDOW REPLACEMENTS THAT I DID BEFORE 1991.
AND THE ONES MOST RECENTLY, UH, REMOVED, I HAVE KEPT TO THE DISTINCTIVE FEATURES OF THE WINDOWS TO CUSTOM FIT THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
THESE NEW WINDOWS MATCH THE HISTORY.
THEY MIRROR THE ORIGINAL LOOK, THE OLD DESIGN TO EVEN INCLUDE COLOR.
I SAT IN THE ORIGINAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN 1995 WHERE I WAS TOLD THAT IF I DID NOT CHANGE EXISTING FEATURES, I COULD MAKE IMPROVEMENT.
I WAS MADE TO BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE AN EASY PROCESS UNLESS I WAS CHANGING THE CHARACTERISTICS IN THE HISTORY OF MY HOME.
I HOPE THAT YOU ARE FAIR AND THAT YOU VALUE THE VOICES OF MY SUPPORTIVE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE NO FINANCIAL OR PERSONAL GAIN OTHER TO MAINTAIN THE BEAUTY AND HISTORY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
LIKE, I WANT TO PLEASE HONOR MY REQUEST TO FINISH MY UPDATES TO MY WINDOWS THAT WERE MADE WITH GOOD INTENTIONS.
I ASK THAT YOU VALUE AND RESPECT THE HISTORY AND RE AND RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION THAT I HAVE BEEN PART OF FROM 1983 TO 1991, I WILL COMP CONTINUE TO BE A RESPONSIBLE HOMEOWNER AND PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF MY HOME AND FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OF THE PRESERVATION OFFICE THAT I NOW UNDERSTAND BETTER.
AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY LENGTHY STORY.
I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE A LETTER FROM, UH, THE DON YOUNG COMPANY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF, OF THE, AS WELL AS THE SPECIFICATIONS TO, TO THE WINDOWS.
AND I LIKE THAT YOU KEEP THE FRONT PICTURE, UH, OF AS WELL.
IS THERE VOICEMAILS, RACHEL? YES.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A SEAT FOR NOW, WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE SIX VOICEMAILS, BUT WE'LL START WITH OUR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT'S IN PERSON AND THAT'S BIANCA MALDONADO.
AS MS. MALDONADO'S MAKING HER WAY TO THE PODIUM, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THERE ARE ALSO TWO LETTERS THAT ARE ON YOUR DESKTOPS.
EDWARD, YOU READY FOR ME? YES.
SORRY, I WAS WAITING FOR HER TO GET HER TIME ALREADY.
I CHAIR THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MPNA PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CASE FOR THIS 1935 HOME.
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WHEN WORK IS DONE WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.NPNA ADVOCATES AND EDUCATES RESIDENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BY PLACING INFORMATION IN OUR NEWSLETTER THAT WE DISTRIBUTE TO EVERY HOMEOWNER REGARDLESS IF THEY PAY DUES TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE EDUCATED ABOUT THE PROCESS.
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN 1995 AND SUBSEQUENTLY HAD FOUR PHASES WHICH WERE ADDED ONTO IT.
SO THERE ARE MANY CHALLENGES IN PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, THAT, THAT WERE CREATED WHEN YOU HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAS MULTIPLE PHASES, AND WE APPRECIATE THOSE WHO ATTEMPT TO EDUCATE INDIVIDUALS ABOUT THE PROCESS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW ALL TOO OFTEN HOW CHALLENGING IT CAN BE.
I THANK THE APPLICANT FOR COMING UP HERE AND SHARING HER STORY AND HER HISTORY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, FUNDAMENTALLY, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES WERE PUT IN PLACE.
UH, THE RESOURCE GUIDE THAT STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER HAS REALLY TRIED TO EDUCATE HOMEOWNERS AND PROVIDE MORE RESOURCES TO THEM.
UM, THESE ARE THE SAME CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE WHEN SOMEONE HAS ALUMINUM SIDING ON THEIR HOME AND THEY WANNA PUT ALUMINUM AND SIDING BACK, AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
THEY, WE'VE HAD OTHER CASES THAT HAVE BEEN DENIED FOR THAT.
UM, THE CASE WITH THAT WAS MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL AND THEIR VINYL WINDOWS.
THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING 'EM ALL BACK.
UM, SAME WITH THE YWLA YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.
THEY CAME THROUGH HDRC AND THEY WANTED TO REPLACE THEIRS WITH A NONCOMPLIANT PRODUCT, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA RESTORE THEIR WINDOW, THEIR WOOD WINDOWS.
AND SO THESE ARE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES THAT WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL UPHOLD TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK MS. MALDONADO.
YOU MENTIONED THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING REPLACED AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
THOSE WERE VINYL AND THEY ARE BEING REPLACED WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY CHANGING IN COLOR.
IF YOU GO BY, THEY'RE VERY DARK BROWN IN COLOR RIGHT NOW.
THE NEW ONES ARE GONNA BE LIKE A CREAM COLOR, SO I TELL EVERYBODY IT'S GONNA BE VERY, UM, CHARACTER DEFINING AS THEY MAKE THAT INVESTMENT IN THE, IN THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S THE SAME FOR THE, UH, YOUNG WOMEN'S ACADEMY AS WELL WITH THEIR NEW WINDOWS, THE EXISTING WINDOWS THEY CHOSE TO REPAIR.
UH, FOR THOSE THAT WERE BEYOND, UM, REPAIR, THEN THEY WERE GOING TO REPLACE WITH APPROPRIATE MATERIALS THAT THEY CAME THROUGH FOR THROUGH A MASTER PLAN.
AND SO, UM, WE SEE THIS WITH VERY MANY, UH, SEVERAL OTHER APPLICANTS.
PEOPLE WHO WANNA HOLISTICALLY REPLACE ALL THEIR WINDOWS.
THEY GET AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE TO REPAIR.
UM, BUT IN THIS SITUATION IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING BECAUSE THERE WERE, UM, WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED.
OBVIOUSLY SOME WERE ORIGINAL AND SOME WERE NOT.
BUT IN THOSE SITUATIONS, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS CONVEY AND, YOU KNOW, CITY PERMITS ARE REQUIRED ALSO FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
WE JUST FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO MORE ON THE, ON THE CONTRACTOR SIDE TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PULL PERMITS FOR ALL THESE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS.
UM, THAT'S A TOOL THAT'S THERE ALSO, YOU KNOW, FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY AND ENSURING THAT INVESTMENTS ARE MADE WITH, WITH QUALITY WORK, UM, IT REALLY PROTECTS A HOMEOWNER TOO.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE JEFFERSON WINDOWS QUESTION, OR, SORRY, THERE'S, UH, VOICEMAILS CORRECT.
WE WILL CONTINUE WITH VOICEMAILS NOW.
HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRISTINA SMITH AND I CURRENTLY LIVE AT 5 5 1 DONALDSON AVENUE, 7 8 2 0 1.
AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH TWO 10 FOR THE ADDRESS OF 5 6 3 DONALDSON AVENUE.
AND I'M CALLING, UM, TO SUPPORT, UM, MR. AND MRS. NELSON'S, UM, INSTALLATION OF NEW WINDOWS TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS THAT THEY HAD INSTALLED BEFORE, UM, WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN KNOWN THEY HAD REPLACED THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THEY VERY CLOSELY MATCHED THE WINDOWS THAT WERE IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE, THE REPLACEMENT.
UM, THEY, THEY WERE NOT, UM, HISTORIC WINDOWS THAT WERE IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE THE NEW WINDOW INSTALL.
SO THEREFORE, UM, WE FULLY SUPPORT THEIR, UM, ACHIEVING BETTER WINDOWS, UM, FOR THEIR HOME AND THAT, UM, LOOK APPROPRIATE TO THEIR HOME, UH, FOR WHAT WAS REPLACED.
AND AGAIN, WE OFFER OUR SUPPORT AND PLEASE, UH, ALLOW THEM TO KEEP THOSE WINDOWS AGAIN.
YES, THIS IS GEORGE WILLINGHAM.
I'M CALLING REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 21 REGARDING 5 63 DONALDSON AVENUE.
I LIVE AT 5 7 0 DONALDSON AVENUE, AND I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH WHAT MY NEIGHBOR HAS DONE IN INSTALLING THOSE BEAUTIFUL WINDOWS.
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I'M, I'M BACKING HER UP BECAUSE I THINK, UH, SHE'S IMPROVED THE LOOKS.AND, UH, SO MY NUMBER IS 2 1 0 6 0 2 5.
HI, MY NAME IS KRISTEN HARRISON.
I AM AT FIVE 18 DONALDSON CALLING ON BEHALF OF ITEM NUMBER, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH TWO ONE OH FOR LIZ.
AND REGARDING HER WINDOWS, I FULLY SUPPORT HER UPDATING HER WINDOWS TO MATCH THE REST OF HER HOUSE.
LIZ HAS BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 41 YEARS AND I HAVE BEEN HER NEIGHBOR FOR SEVEN YEARS AND SHE IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA TRY AND DO WHAT'S BEST FOR HER HOME.
UM, IT'S A PLACE WHERE SHE LIVES.
IT'S HER PLACE I FULLY SUPPORT ANY DECISION THAT SHE MAKES IN ORDER TO MAKE IT, UM, BEST FOR HER AND HER FAMILY.
MY ADDRESS IS 5 5 0 DONALDSON AVENUE.
I AM CALLING ON THE CASE OF CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 2.
ADDRESS, 5 63 DONALDSON AVENUE.
I AM FOR LIZ, CHANGING HER, UM, WINDOWS.
IT INCREASES THE VALUE, UH, IN HER PROPERTY APPEAL AND VALUE ALSO INCREASES THE MUCH NEEDED ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF THESE HOMES.
THESE HOMES ARE OLDER HOMES AND THEY NEED THE UPDATES TO KEEP THEM FROM USING SO MUCH ENERGY.
MY NAME IS MRS. FRANK RAMIREZ.
I LIVE AT 5 6 2 DONALDSON AVENUE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM 5 6 3.
THE CASE NUMBER THERE IS 2 0 2 4 DASH 21.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT LIZ AND RUBEN HAVE BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE AND WE'VE LIVED ACROSS THE STREET AND THE WINDOWS THAT THEY IMPROVED MATCHED THE EXISTING WINDOWS THAT WHEN A TREE FELL ON 'EM.
SO THEY, WHEN THEY PUT THE NEW WINDOWS IN, IT HAS IMPROVED THEIR HOME.
IT LOOKS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.
IT IS AN IMPROVED THEIR HOME AND IN, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, PLEASE, UH, LISTEN TO MY RECORDING AND IF YOU NEED TO CALL ME, MY NAME IS TWO, I'M SORRY.
HELLO, MY NAME IS MELISSA R BUSANTE.
MY ADDRESS IS 5 5 6 DONALDSON AVENUE, WHERE I HAVE LIVED FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
I AM CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH TWO ZERO, ADDRESS, 5 6 3 DONALDSON AVENUE.
I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE GRANT LIZ NELSON APPROVAL ON HER NEW WINDOWS.
THE OLD WINDOWS WERE ROTTED AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED, AND THEY WERE AN EYESORE.
THE NEW WINDOWS WILL ONLY ADD VALUE TO THE HOUSE AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
NOT ONLY WILL THEY ADD VALUE, BUT THEY ARE ENERGY EFFICIENT AND THEY LOOK BEAUTIFUL.
LIZ NELSON, A RETIRED TEACHER ON A FIXED INCOME, HAS ALWAYS MAINTAINED HER BEAUTIFUL LOVING HOME.
PLEASE APPROVE HER REQUEST TO INSTALL NEW WINDOWS AT 5 6 3 DONALDSON AVENUE.
I THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
SINCERELY, MELISSA R BUSANTE THAT PAIRED WITH THE TWO LETTERS IN YOUR LETTER FOLDER, UH, THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
UH, IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL 16 WINDOWS HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND DID THE CON OH, THANK YOU.
UM, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR STORY AND THE HISTORY OF YOU LIVING IN, UH, THE HOUSE AS WELL AS IN THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF YOU WERE UNAWARE THAT YOU LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAS RULES AND REGULATIONS ABOUT WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS.
WELL, I I DO UNDERSTAND NOW, I DIDN'T
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UNDERSTAND THAT I HAD TO APPLY FOR THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WERE GONNA MATCH WHAT I HAD ALREADY DONE BEFORE WE WERE HISTORICAL.SO I WAS LED TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS GONNA BE AN EASY PROCESS.
AND THEN UNLESS I WAS MAKING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND BECAUSE I WAS MATCHING WHAT I HAD DONE BEFORE, I DIDN'T THINK I WAS MAKING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
I THOUGHT I WAS DOING MY BEST TO MIRROR WHAT I HAD ALREADY DONE AND TO KEEP MAKING THE HOUSE LOOK GOOD.
AND BECAUSE I HAD BEEN WORKING LIKE CRAZY, I DIDN'T REALLY TAKE THE TIME TO REALLY, I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT BACK THEN.
AND IF I'D HAD THE MONEY, I WOULD'VE DONE IT BEFORE.
I WOULD'VE DONE ALL OF THEM BEFORE AND I WOULDN'T BE HERE BEFORE YOU IF I HAD DONE THAT OR IF I'D HAD MONEY.
AND I KNOW THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE AT JEFFERSON AND AT THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, UH, OF BOTH SCHOOLS.
I STARTED THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.
I WORKED FOR SAN ANTONIO, ISD I'M PROUD OF THOSE BUILDINGS AS WELL.
UH, MY TAXES CONTINUE TO INCREASE.
UH, I'M WORRIED ABOUT MY OWN SOCIAL SECURITY, AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF AND THINK THROUGH BASED ON WHAT I HAD DONE IN THE PAST AND WHAT I THOUGHT I COULD DO.
NOW, I'M, I OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE RULES AND I UNDERSTAND THOSE NOW.
COMMISSIONER FULLISH, HIT FULL.
I I WANNA CELEBRATE YOU AS A PHENOMENAL STEWARD OF THIS PROPERTY AND FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE, DESPITE ALL SORTS OF SURPRISES AND HARDSHIPS OVER 40 YEARS.
AND, UH, IN PREPARATION FOR THE NEXT 40, IF WE WERE ONLY SO LUCKY TO HAVE, UH, MORE STEWARDS OF OUR HISTORIC PROPERTIES, UH, THROUGHOUT TOWN, UM, AND EVEN, UH, MAKING THE ADJUSTMENTS AS TIME GOES ON FOR OTHER NEW AWARENESSES, WHETHER THAT'S, UH, IN THE BUILDING MATERIALS OR EVEN IN YOUR LANDSCAPE, UH, WITH THE REMARKABLE CACTUS GARDEN AND THE OTHER AIR ESCAPE PLANT, THE SUNO AND THE REST AROUND YOUR HOUSE.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR AWARENESS FOR ALL OF THAT.
I, IT, IT, IT FRUSTRATES ME THAT THE CONTRACTOR DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE REALLY RAISED ANY FLAGS HERE.
DID DID THEY MENTION ANYTHING AT ALL TO YOU? YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S CHRISTOPHER, RIGHT? I CAN'T SAY YOUR NAME FROM HERE.
UM, HONESTLY, I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF MY FATHER-IN-LAW HAD BEEN HERE, HE WAS A FORMER CITY MANAGER OF WIN CREST AND HAD HELPED ME WITH ALL MY PREVIOUS WORK, UM, I COUNTED ON HIM AND WITH HIM PASSING AWAY AND BEING GONE, IF HE WAS HERE TODAY, I WOULD NOT BE HERE BEFORE YOU.
HE WOULD'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING, AND I WOULDN'T BE IN TROUBLE.
I CAN'T BLAME, UH, THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HELPING ME WORKS IN THE WINDCREST AREA AS WELL.
UH, THE RULES OBVIOUSLY ARE DIFFERENT THAN, THAN OURS IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT AGAIN, I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY LIKE I'VE ALWAYS HAVE SINCE I'VE BEEN THAT HOMEOWNER, UH, SINCE 1983.
SO I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY BUT MYSELF.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO, TO STEP UP FOR THAT.
UM, ALTHOUGH GIVEN, UH, THE YOUNG COMPANY'S, UH, EXTENSIVE WORK, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WOULD BE AN EXTRA SAFEGUARD IN THESE KINDS OF PROCESSES, THAT THEY WOULD BE AWARE OF THESE THINGS AND, AND WOULD, WOULD CHECK FIRST.
UM, BUT, UM, I REALLY COMMEND YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR, YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AS A TEACHER AND AS A MEMBER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE SO MANY TESTIMONIALS FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS IS, IS POWERFUL EVIDENCE OF WHAT AN IMPORTANT PART YOU'VE BEEN TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I, I GUESS I, I WORRIED AS A MATTER OF POLICY, GIVEN THE, THE LIMITATIONS OF HOW PRESERVATION ORDINANCES WORK, THAT, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE START MAKING EXCEPTIONS, EVEN IN EXTRAORDINARY CASES LIKE YOURS, UM, THERE MAY BE OTHERS WHO ARE LESS COMMITTED TO THEIR COMMUNITIES AND WHO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE PRECEDENTS TO, TO DRIVE A SEMI THROUGH THEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
WELL, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO, CHRIS, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN HOUSES BE FLIPPED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'VE SEEN DISAPPOINTED NEIGHBORS.
I USED TO BE THE YOUNGSTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M THE, I'M THE OLD LADY AND MANY OF THEM COME TO ME AND THEY'RE DISAPPOINTED.
MY NEIGHBOR RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS FIXING TO LEAVE BECAUSE SHE WAS MADE TO BELIEVE THAT SHE WAS GETTING A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE THAT HAD BEEN FLIPPED.
UH, I HOPE THAT YOU TAKE IN NOT JUST DO THINGS BECAUSE OF JUST COOKIE CUTTER STAMPING THINGS, BUT THAT YOU TAKE OUR INDIVIDUAL STORIES.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
UM, MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER LIVED TO BE 107.
UH, I WANNA BE THE NEXT STORY IN MY FAMILY.
THAT'S WHY I MAKE 41 YEARS AN IMPORTANT GOAL FOR MYSELF, UH, BECAUSE I THINK I'LL GET THERE.
UH, I DON'T HAVE CENTRAL A A CU OR HEAT, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY CARPETING.
I THINK THAT'S WHY I AM SO HEALTHY.
UH, I NEED MY WINDOWS TO BE OPEN AND CLOSED EASILY SO THAT I CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FRESH AIR, UH, HAVE A BREEZE COME THROUGH MY HOUSE.
UH, I WANNA BE ENVIRONMENTALLY PROTECTIVE OF THE THINGS.
UH, I DON'T WANNA JUST CLOSE MY WINDOW
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AND PUT CENTRAL AC IN.MAYBE I'M TOO OLD SCHOOL COMMISSIONER.
SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE MAY BE STRUGGLING WITH IS, IS THE PRECEDENCE AND, AND WHERE EVEN YOU REFERENCED WORK YOU HAD DONE PREVIOUSLY AND, AND THE WORK YOU'RE, YOU'VE DONE NOW TO MATCH PREVIOUS WORK WITH THE WINDOWS RECEIVING A A STOP ORDER, YOU KNOW, WORK ORDER AND, AND CONTINUING THE WORK, AND THEN SEEING THE SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS, SIX VOICEMAILS, TWO LETTERS.
THE CONCERN IS GOING FORWARD, IF THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE, ARE WANTING TO CONDUCT SIMILAR WORK GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE A PRECEDENCE THAT'S BEING SET AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
UM, AND I THINK WHY, UM, THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION AS WE CONTINUE TO, TO, TO HEAR.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH AS WELL, IS THE STORY, THE COMMITMENT YOU'VE MADE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S THE FUTURE PRECEDENTS THAT, THAT WE'RE SETTING.
I GUESS WHAT I, I GUESS I'M WORRIED, MICHAEL, BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW, IF THAT'S THE EXISTING LOOK, AND I'M GONNA ADD TO THE DOORS THERE TOO, BECAUSE THOSE DOORS, UH, OUTSIDE MATCH THE, UH, ALUMINUM METAL WINDOWS THAT I HAVE, THAT'S THE FULL VISION OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S WHAT THE, IT'S WHAT HAS BEEN IN HISTORY.
AND I, ALL I ASK IS THAT YOU RESPECT MY HISTORY TO MY PAST.
UH, I, I KNOW THAT THIS IDEA OF SETTING PRECEDENCE IS AN ISSUE.
UH, BUT I THINK IT'S A, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND TOO MANY PEOPLE IN MY STORY THAT HAVE 41 YEARS BEHIND THEM IN A HOME.
UH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MAYBE THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP UP WITH ME, CAN PROBABLY MATCH THAT STORY.
I, COMMISSIONER P*****K, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? UM, I WANNA ECHO WHAT THE, MY OTHER COMMISSIONER SAID.
AND, UH, TO ME WHAT WAS MOST CONCERNING WAS THE CONTRACTOR WHO PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN AND SHOULD HAVE ADVISED YOU OTHERWISE.
UH, TO ME THAT'S THE LA THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE.
I GET THAT MICHAEL, AND AGAIN, I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW, YOU, I GUESS YOU'VE HEARD MANY HOMEOWNERS, I HEAR THEM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY CAN'T FIND CONTRACTORS THEY CAN TRUST.
UH, HE DOES GREAT WORK AND, UH, I PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET HIM BACK TO FINISH UP MY WORK BECAUSE IT KEEPS SO BUSY, PRIMARILY IN THE WINDCREST AREA.
UH, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE JUST THE CHALLENGES WE ALWAYS FACE AS HOMEOWNERS.
IN LOOKING AT THE CASE HISTORY, I HAVE A QUESTION IN TERMS OF, UM, IT SAYS THAT STAFF RECEIVED A REPORT ON MAY 16TH THAT WINDOW REPLACEMENT WAS TAKING PLACE ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND THAT OHP STAFF CONDUCTED A VISIT THE NEXT DAY AND ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER TO THE CONTRACTOR ON SITE AND FOLLOWED UP WITH STOP RECORDER BY EMAIL TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNER ON THE SAME DAY WHERE IT CONTINUED ON THE SITE AND THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT WAS COMPLETED.
UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHY THAT IS, UH, MS. GARCIA, I WAS OUTTA THE COUNTRY AT THE TIME.
I WAS TRYING TO FLY BACK, UH, FOR TWO REASONS, NOT JUST THE ISSUE THAT I HAD BEEN MADE AWARE OF.
UH, HE WAS TRYING TO PICK UP, HE HAD A BIG GAP IN THE WALL THAT, UH, WE WERE EXPECTING RAIN.
UH, I DIDN'T MAKE IT BACK INTO THE COUNTRY UNTIL THE, I BELIEVE I CAME BACK, I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN I CAME BACK.
MAYBE IT WAS A FEW DAYS LATER, UH, GOT STUCK IN HOUSTON OVERNIGHT, UH, WITH AIR, AIR STUFF.
SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANY MORE WOOD DAMAGE TO MY INSIDE OF MY HOUSE BY CLOSING THAT GAP UP.
BUT ALL THE WINDOWS HAD BEEN IN INSTALLED, UH, BEFORE I HAD BEEN CITED AND, AND TOLD THAT I NEEDED TO GET A PERMIT.
I'LL HAVE A COMMENT, BUT, UH, FOR RIGHT NOW, NO MORE QUESTIONS.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COMMENTS.
UM, OH, SORRY, I DIDN'T, DID THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE ANY RESPONSE OR RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONS? OH, LES, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
YOU KNOW, I SIT OUT HERE AND I LISTEN TO THESE CASES AND, AND, AND IT IS A, A CHALLENGE AND, YOU KNOW, WE THANK THE HOMEOWNERS FOR THEIR COMMITMENT, BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S A CONTRACTOR WHO COMES IN.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTALLY, I WROTE THIS DOWN AND I DIDN'T READ IT, BUT ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT SHOULD NOT BE DEPENDENT ON THE OWNER, RATHER THE ADHERENCE TO GUIDELINES
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TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY.BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE'S A VARIANCE THAT'S GRANTED FOR THIS AN EXCEPTION, IT WILL BE REFERENCED IN FUTURE CASES FOR REASONS TO NOT MEET THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAD A RECENT CASE, UM, WITH SIGHTING, BUT IT'S A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE YOU HAD A MATERIAL THAT HAD BEEN REPLACED PRIOR TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THEY WANTED TO PUT VINYL BACK AND THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
AND SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE CONSISTENCIES FOR ALL THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE FOLLOWED THE PROCESS, THOSE WHO HAVE INVESTED AND GOTTEN THE HISTORIC TAX CREDITS, WHY WE HAVE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
AND COULD THIS HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE FOR TAX CREDITS? POTENTIALLY, YES, THERE ARE OTHER TOOLS.
AND SO IT'S JUST, IT'S ALL THOSE THAT ARE NOT HERE.
AND WE TALK ABOUT THE TOTALITY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ITS INTEGRITY.
SO THAT'S ALL I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THANK Y'ALL.
UH, SORRY, ISABEL QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT STATEMENT, BUT DEFINITELY COMMENT, COMMENT.
UM, FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY DOUBT THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, A NICE PRODUCT AND THAT IT MATCHES WHAT ELSE IS ALREADY THERE AND THAT IT IS A MATERIAL THAT IS, UM, GOING TO WORK FOR YOU OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, HOWEVER, GIVEN THE GUIDELINES IN THE DISTRICT, UM, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS THAT WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE PLACED WITH, BE REPLACED WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
AND REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT YOU'VE, UH, REPLACED SOME OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS IN YEARS PRIOR WITH ALUMINUM, THAT IS NOT, UM, A VALID ENOUGH REASON TO SAY IT'S OKAY TO REPLACE 16 OTHER WINDOWS WITH THE SAME MATERIAL.
UH, WHEN THE GUIDELINES WOULD SAY THAT THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH WOOD, IF YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE THEM AND POTENTIALLY REPAIRED.
AND LOOKING AT, UH, THE ONE PICTURE WE SAW WHERE IT WAS, UM, A WINDOW BEHIND A SCREEN WHERE YOU HAD A AC UNIT, IT LOOKED LIKE THE SCREEN WAS DETERIORATED, BUT NOT THE WINDOW ITSELF BEHIND IT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T HAVE PICTURES.
THAT'S JUST HAPPENED IN ONE THAT I HAD FOR THE TAX ASSESSMENT WHEN I WAS FIGHTING THE TAXES.
UM, THE WINDOWS WEREN'T FUN FUNCTIONING.
IT WASN'T JUST THE ROD, IT WAS THAT IT WASN'T WORKING AT ALL THAT WINDOW.
SO IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE OTHER PICTURES TO PROVIDE TO YOU.
UM, ONE OTHER THING I NOTICED IN LOOKING AT THE DETAIL OF THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS IS THAT, UM, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT, UM, HOW THEY WERE INSTALLED.
YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE FRAMES OF THE WINDOWS WHERE THE NAILS HAVE GONE IN AND THAT IT'S, UH, UNEVEN IN A WAY THAT WOULD, WOULD NOT BE.
WAIT, WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I'M SORRY, WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? OUTSIDE? I'M NOT SURE WHICH.
THERE'S A PICTURE, RACHEL, THERE'S A PICTURE IN ONE OF THEM THAT SHOWS THE VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE JUST, IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN NAILS IN IT HOLDING UP THE, THE VINYL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, I GUESS MY POINT WOULD BE, I'M NOT SURE, UM, ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE WINDOWS ON CLOSE EXPANSION, UH, INSPECTION, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET, UH, MIGHT BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
WHAT PICTURE IS THIS? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE? NO.
'CAUSE THERE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S UP CLOSE.
SO THOSE ARE JUST THINGS THAT WOULD PUT THERE TEMPORARILY SO THAT I WOULD KEEP THE RAIN FROM COMING IN AGAIN, JUST SO THAT IT WOULDN'T DAMAGE THE HOUSE.
WHEN YOU SAY THEY'RE NOT FINISHED, WHAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FINISHED YET.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THEY STILL HAVE TO FINISH UP THE OUTSIDE PART, ADD WOOD TO THE OUTSIDE TO MATCH, UH, PAINT IT.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TO GO WITH, I MEAN, THEY WERE INSTALLED, BUT THAT WAS JUST PUT THERE TO PROTECT IT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S GONNA BE WOOD APPLIED ON TOP OF THIS? ON THE OPPOSITE, ON THE OUTSIDE.
ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE WAS WOOD, SO THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT WOOD AROUND THE OUTSIDE AND PAINT IT, BUT THEY CAN'T DO THAT 'CAUSE THEY STOPPED WORKING.
OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? IF, GO AHEAD.
UH, AS FAR AS THE PRECEDENT GOES, I UNDERSTAND THAT
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AND I DO GET IT, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE CAN ALWAYS DEAL WITH THOSE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GARCIA.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT ONCE YOU'VE ESTABLISHED THAT KIND OF PRECEDENT, UM, THAT IS GONNA BE WHAT THEY SAY IN DEFENSE OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, AND SO TO SAY THAT YOU CAN DEAL WITH IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, UM, LEADS US DOWN A RABBIT HOLE BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, YOU LET THEM DO IT, WHY WON'T YOU LET ME DO IT? AND THAT'S A PRETTY VALID ARGUMENT.
I WOULD JUST ADD ON THAT PRECEDENT'S ISSUE.
EDWARD, MAYBE YOU CAN, UM, VISIT WITH COREY BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S GENUINE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THE ROLE OF PRECEDENTS FOR THIS COMMISSION.
SO WE MIGHT WANT TO JUST CLARIFY ALL OF THAT AS A GROUP WITH Y'ALL'S GUIDANCE.
UM, BECAUSE IT, I FEEL LIKE THERE HAS BEEN SOME DOCUMENTATION THAT WE'VE ALL HAD PROVIDED THAT, THAT, UH, IT CAN BE INTERPRETED THAT PRECEDENT THAT EVERYTHING IS CASE BY CASE, AND THAT EVEN THOUGH PRECEDENCE IS A, YOU KNOW, IS IN YOUR BRAIN AS YOU DECIDE THESE ISSUES OR YOU REMEMBER OTHER CASES, EACH CASE HAS ITS OWN.
SO WHATEVER THE GUIDANCE IS FROM THE CITY STAFF WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE'RE DONE HERE TODAY, UM, HOWEVER WE FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
AND, AND JUST A A QUICK COMMENT TO THAT.
UM, EVERY APPLICATION IS REVIEWED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
UH, THERE ARE GONNA BE, UH, UNIQUE AND INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE PRESENT WITH ONE CASE THAT MAY NOT BE PRESENT WITH ANOTHER.
UM, AND SO, UM, THIS IS PART OF A PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE A REQUEST OR DENY A REQUEST AS THEY SEE FIT.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT ONE, EXCUSE ME.
UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UH, WE FORM, UM, THE REQUEST LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE MANNER THAT WE DO IS TO, UM, FORM A REQUEST AS IF THE WORK HAS NOT HAPPENED YET, UH, TO ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT, UH, THE CASE AND INFORMATION ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, JUST AS THEY WOULD, UH, AS IF THE REQUEST OR THE WORK HADN'T BEEN DONE YET.
OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE, UH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR REQUEST, WE, WE SAY THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING NOT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE, UH, IN THE REQUEST.
SO YES, CASE BY CASE, YOU CAN CONSIDER EACH REQUEST CASE BY CASE, AND THAT'S THE INTENTION.
DID YOU, AFTER THE STOP WORK ORDER HAPPENED, DID YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH DON YOUNG ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REMEDY THE ISSUE? UH, DID THEY HAVE WOOD WINDOWS AVAILABLE AS A COMPANY? DID THEY OFFER THAT? THEY DON'T HAVE WOOD WINDOWS.
THEY KNOW THEY, THEY USED TO BE LOCATED, THEY USED TO HAVE A WAREHOUSE AND HAVE AN OFFICE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, ACTUALLY, WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED IN DALLAS AND THEN HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, THEY'VE CLOSED THE PLACE UP HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND NOW PRIMARILY WORK OUT OF DALLAS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS HAVE TO BE PRE-ORDERED.
I HAD, I MEAN, I, AGAIN, I CUSTOM FIT.
I DID NOT CHANGE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UH, SO IT TOOK TIME FOR ME TO ORDER THAT WITH THEM.
UH, I'M JUST ONE CUSTOMER OF THEIR MANY THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF CUSTOMERS, THEY PROBABLY HAVE.
SO I MEAN, THEY WERE THOUGHTFUL WITH ME ABOUT TRYING TO KEEP TO THE HISTORIC AREA OR AS I TRY TO FRAME THINGS IN TERMS OF FITTING THE ORIGINAL, UH, LOOK.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, GO AHEAD.
UM, ON PRECEDENCE,
UM, UM, UH, AND A UNIQUE STORY.
I, I GUESS I THINK AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, IN A FEW YEARS WHEN THE MEMBERSHIP OF THIS COMMITTEE MAY HAVE TURNED OVER AND SOMEONE COMES BEFORE THIS BOARD AND SAYS, UH, BUT THIS OTHER HOUSE, UH, HAS VINYL WINDOWS AND YOU OR YOUR PREDECESSORS ON THIS BOARD APPROVED IT.
AND WHILE THESE FILES, I HOPE WILL ALL BE ARCHIVED AND, UH, SINCE THEY'RE DIGITAL AND WILL BE AVAILABLE, IT DOES BECOME QUITE, UH, A HUNT DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE TO TRY TO DIG ALL OF THESE FILES UP AND THEN TO DETERMINE WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS DELIBERATING AT THE TIME TO MAKE IT SO EXTRAORDINARY.
UM, AND POSSIBLY LISTEN TO THE RECORDING OF THIS MEETING.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY ALL THERE IN THE RECORD.
UM, AND YET, UH, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DONE, UM, AS OPPOSED TO A, A THROWAWAY LINE THAT THIS HOUSE WITHOUT ANY CONTEXT FOR WHO LIVED THERE AND FOR HER STORY AND HER POWERFUL TESTIMONY, UM, JUST THIS HOUSE NOW HAS VINYL WINDOWS, SO WHY CAN'T THE REST OF US HAVE THEM? AND THAT'S WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH AS, AS A PRESERVATIONIST.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY NOT TO FREEZE NEIGHBORHOODS IN TIME LIKE THEY'RE IN A HISTORICAL MUSEUM, BUT WE DO TRY TO COME UP WITH, UM,
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OVER OVERARCHING THEMES AND GOALS THAT UNIFY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, AND THEN AS TIME MARCHES ON TO TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO AIM FOR CONSISTENCY IN MEETING THOSE SO THAT WHILE OTHER CHANGES MIGHT HAPPEN IN, IN RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, PEOPLE CAN LOOK BACK ON, UH, MONTICELLO PARK FOR INSTANCE, AND SAY, THIS IS AN INTERESTING WAY IN WHICH, IN THE HISTORY OF PRESERVATION ITSELF, WE'VE TRIED TO INTERPRET WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A RESIDENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO BE CARETAKERS OF THIS SPACE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S FRONT OF MIND FOR ME RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY OTHER, UM, OH GOSH, I KEEP SAYING STATEMENTS.
UH, JUST TACKING ON TO WHAT EACH OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID ABOUT PRECEDENT SETTING.
IT'S, UH, YOU MENTIONED IN THERE THAT WINDOWS ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, WINDOWS ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
THOSE ARE THE, THE SOLE PART OF THE SOUL OF THE HOME, THEY ARE CHARACTER DEFINING.
UM, I SEE IN, I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURE OF THE FRONT OF YOUR HOME RIGHT NOW.
YOU HAVE FAUX DIVIDED, UH, DIVIDED LIGHTS ON THE, THE HOME THAT IS, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S MENTIONED IN THE FINDINGS, RACHEL, BUT THAT IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER GARCIA MENTIONED HOW THE STOP WORK ORDER WAS JUST IGNORED.
UH, THAT, THAT IS JUST ANOTHER, UH, LEVEL OF, UH, DISREGARD FOR THE PRECEDENT.
AND FOR THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE VERY WELL NOTED, NOTED THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL YOU, YOUR CONTRACTOR, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ANY OF US.
YES, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BUT, UM, CAN I ADD JASON? THE SIGNIFICANT PART REALLY WAS THAT THE, WHAT I DID IN THE PAST, I HAD ALREADY MADE THOSE CHANGES BEFORE HISTORICAL, BEFORE ALL THOSE RULES WERE PUT IN PLACE.
AND IF I HADN'T KNOWN THEM OR MISSED OR UNDERSTOOD THEM BETTER, MAYBE I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED.
UM, AGAIN, MY INTENTIONS WAS ALWAYS TO STAY IN ONE PLACE AND LIVE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT I'M, I'M, I'M, FROM MY HISTORY THAT I, I'VE ALWAYS LIVED IN SAN ANTONIO.
I'VE LIVED IN OLD HOMES MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I'VE NEVER HAD CENTRAL AC SINCE A LITTLE GIRL I LEAVE ON THE ON, I LIVED ON THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, SO I UNDERSTAND, UH, BUT FOR ME, THE SIGNIFICANT PIECE WAS BECAUSE I HAD ALREADY REPLACED ALMOST HALF OF THE WINDOWS ALREADY AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO MATCH THE OTHER HALF.
BUT YOU DID IGNORE THE STOP WORK ORDER AND YOU DID PAY IT.
BUT YOU DID IGNORE WHAT WAS LAW THAT WAS TRYING TO BE IMPLEMENTED AND WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO ENFORCE.
I WASN'T TRYING TO IGNORE ANYTHING AND NEITHER WAS THE GENTLEMAN HELPING ME.
HE WAS JUST TRYING TO PROTECT BASED ON THE RAIN THAT WAS COMING UP AGAIN.
UH, THERE'S STILL LOTS OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO COMPLETELY, UH, FRAME THEM AND PAINT THEM, UH, ON THE OUTER PART AND ON THE INSIDE AS WELL.
I MEAN, MY HOUSE IS IN COMPLETE DISARRAY.
IT HAS BEEN IN COMPLETE DISARRAY.
I HAVE EVERYTHING STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
UH, I KEEP TRYING TO CLEAN, PICK UP EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S, IT'S TOTAL CHAOS IN MY HOUSE.
I CAN'T EVEN EAT IN MY OWN HOME.
IT'S THAT HORRIBLE LOOKING IN TERMS OF EVERYTHING, JUST KIND OF BEING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
IS, UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
COMMISSIONERS, AS DIFFICULT AS THIS IS AND, AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD, UM, I DO FIND IT DIFFICULT WITH THE PRECEDENTS AND, AND EVEN MS. SPENCER, WHAT WHAT YOU'VE STATED IS BECAUSE YOU HAD ALREADY REPLACED OTHERS AND THE REASONING BEHIND IT THAT, UM, I FEEL WE HAVE TO SUPPORT.
AND I'D LIKE TO, UM, POSE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE STIPULATIONS AS STATED.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.
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FLORES? AYE.P*****K, NAY AND VASQUEZ? AYE.
ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, OUR NEXT ITEM WILL BE ITEM NUMBER 8 9 22 EAST CROCKETT.
UM, THE, UM, APPLICANT FOR THIS CASE IS ONLINE, JOSE RODRIGUEZ, SO I'LL BRING HIM IN NOW.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 0 3.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE ALL OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY.
TWO, CONSTRUCT A 20 BY 20 FOOT METAL FRAMED CARPORT AND THREE, MODIFY THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE TO INCLUDE GRAVEL, MAR MULCH, CONCRETE PAVERS, AND MINIMAL PLANTING.
ON MAY 5TH, 2024, STAFF RECEIVED A REPORT OF LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS AND CARPORT CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AFTER REVIEW OF THE PROPERTY OWNER'S APPLICATION, STAFF NOTED WHOLESALE WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITHOUT A COA STAFF ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER ON SITE FOR LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS AND CARPORT CONSTRUCTION WITH THE COA ON MAY 6TH, 2024.
STAFF OBSERVED AND TOOK PHOTOS OF THE VIOLATION ON SITE ON JUNE 16TH, 2021.
A PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED REPLACEMENT OF ALL HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY.
THE HDRC APPROVED THE REPLACEMENT OF ONLY TWO WINDOWS IN KIND.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO REPLACE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY.
STAFF DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INSPECT THE EXISTING WINDOWS PRIOR TO THEIR REMOVAL.
MOST WINDOWS PREVIOUSLY ON THE PROPERTY WERE ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS.
STAFF HAS INCLUDED WINDOW PHOTOS ON FILE FROM 2021.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REPLACE THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY WITH WINDOWS THAT CONFORM TO GUIDELINES, NAMELY ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT A DETACHED CARPORT FEATURING WOOD MEMBERS AND A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT USE LANDSCAPING ROCKS THAT DO NOT EXCEED TWO INCHES IN SIZE AND ARE NATURAL IN COLOR.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE NATURAL PLANTINGS AND A MINIMUM OF 50% PLANTING AREA.
AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS TO STAFF AN UPDATED LANDSCAPE PLAN TO FEATURE A CONTINUOUS CONCRETE WALKWAY AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE APPLICANT IS WITH US VIRTUALLY JOSE RODRIGUEZ.
UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ, UH, LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE UNMUTED NOW, SO I BELIEVE YOU CAN HEAR US FINE.
UH, WELL PLEASE PROCEED WITH YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION IF YOU HAVE ONE OR ANY COMMENTS OR AN OVERVIEW OF THE WORK THAT'S TAKEN PLACE.
UM, AND WE'LL START THAT TIMER NOW.
AND ARE WE 15 MINUTES REALLY QUICKLY? IS, UH, WAS THERE ANY COMMENT OR, UH, THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE'S NO VOICEMAIL.
UH, THERE IS A LETTER THAT'S IN YOUR PACKETS ON THE DESKTOP, SO PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE, UH, CHECK YOUR LETTER FILES.
ON THE LANDSCAPING ON, IN ALL HONESTY, IN THE LANDSCAPING, I'LL START WITH THE LANDSCAPING.
I MEAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT, ON THE REPORT IT SAID NO PLANTS.
IF YOU LOOK ALL AROUND THE SIDE, I ADDED ALL THE PLANTS THAT YOU SEE THERE.
SO THEY, WHEN THEY SAY WITH MINIMAL, UM, I GUESS VEGETATION OR PLANTS, I ADDED THOSE PLANTS.
AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING, I JUST PUT THE ROCKS 'CAUSE I WENT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I JUST SAW OTHER STUFF THAT I LIKED AND I DID THAT.
I'VE NEVER HAD, I NEVER HAD, I'VE NEVER KNOWN HISTORIC.
I DIDN'T KNOW ALL THESE RULES EXISTED, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S MY FAULT AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
I DIDN'T KNOW, I DID NOT KNOW THAT YOU NEEDED TO HAVE A CERTAIN COLOR OF ROCKS.
I SAW OTHER STUFF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I JUST KIND OF GOT THEIR IDEAS.
BUT THERE'S, THAT'S REALLY, THERE'S ALL TO IT.
AND THEN I SAW THE RECOMMENDATIONS, LIKE THE PAVERS THAT I PUT, THE WALKWAY THEY WANT, I GUESS IT SAID CONTINUOUS CONCRETE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, SO I'M GONNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND, AND SEE WHAT I NEED TO DO.
BUT IN ALL HONESTY, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW LANDSCAPING.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M BEING HEARD.
MR. RODRIGUEZ, UH, I BELIEVE THERE WAS ALSO, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT THE, UH, REAR, UH, CARPORT.
UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
I WAS GONNA GO TO THE WINDOWS AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS GOES WHEN I BROUGHT THE PROPERTY, I GUESS A PREVIOUS OWNER FROM WHAT I GATHER, 'CAUSE THEY SAID THAT THERE WAS, THERE WAS WOODEN WINDOWS THERE.
WELL, WHEN I, WHEN I, WHEN I HAD IT, THERE WAS NO, IT WAS
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ALL COVERED UP WITH, WITH PLYWOOD ON ALL THE WINDOWS.AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF WINDOWS, UM, DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS THAT I GUESS THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS GONNA INSTALL.
I GUESS WHENEVER THEY APPLIED, WHOEVER IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW, WHOEVER IT WAS, THEY APPLIED.
IF YOU COULD SEE THE, THOSE, THEY WERE COVERED UP.
THERE WAS A LOT OF COVERED UP WINDOWS.
AND THAT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE I HAD IT, BUT THEY WERE REMOVED.
THERE WAS A COUPLE OF ALUMINUM AND THEN I GUESS THE PERSON JUST DECIDED TO SELL BECAUSE OF ALL THIS HISTORY.
SO ALL I DID WAS, ALL I DID WAS TRY TO MATCH THE DOUBLE PANE ALUMINUM WINDOWS TO WHAT WAS THERE AND I DID.
SO WE GOT ALL THE PERMITT, DID ALL THE EVERYTHING AND IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.
AND THEN THAT TIES INTO THE CARPORT.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE CARPORT IS WE DID THE CARPORT IN THE BACKYARD SO WE COULD HAVE SHADE FOR THE, WE COULD HAVE SHADE.
'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF HAIL.
AND ME AND MY COUSIN, WE BUILT A CARPORT BACK THERE IN THE BACKYARD, WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW WAS IN THE FRONT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DID BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF HAIL AND WE'D GETTING HAIL DAMAGE ON THE CARS.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT WAS THERE.
AND, UM, I MEAN, AND THE WINDOWS, WE JUST MATCHED, THE WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE, THEY WERE BOARDED UP.
PEOPLE WERE BREAKING IN ALL THE TIME AND THEY WERE PLYWOOD ON 'EM.
SO I GUESS THE PERSON THAT APPLIED, LIKE I, I REPEAT MYSELF, THEY PROBABLY REMOVED THE WINDOWS REMOVE AND THEY WERE GONNA PUT OTHER WINDOWS WHEN THEY WERE DENIED.
THERE WAS ONLY A COUPLE OF ALUMINUM DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS THAT I TRIED TO MATCH ON THE PROPERTY.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT OVERVIEW, MR. RODRIGUEZ.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, IF WE WANT TO, UH, WE CAN TAKE THESE ITEMS ONE BY ONE.
UH, SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF WE WANT TO START OFF, UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ STARTED OFF WITH, UH, WELL, IT'S JUST NUMBER ONE, UH, THE REPLACEMENT OF ALL OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE INSTALLED AND I'LL, UH, JUST ONCE AGAIN REFERENCE, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE WINDOWS.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REPLACE THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY WITH WINDOWS THAT CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES.
UH, THOSE WOULD BE ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS, UH, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE.
UM, SO IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, UH, TO THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE WINDOWS, UH, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE NOW, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ABOUT, UH, THE CASE? ALL RIGHT, WELL, UH, I'M TAKING THAT SILENCE IS NO QUESTIONS.
UH, SO FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, THAT WAS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REAR CARPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, AS IT, UH, CONSISTENTLY IS FOR CARPORTS, UH, IS THAT THEY FEATURE WOOD CONSTRUCTION.
UM, UH, THERE'S ALSO, UH, THE, UH, ITEM OF THE, THE CARPORT ROOF'S MATERIAL.
UH, THIS IS A A R PANEL OR A A A V CRAMP, OR IT LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THE TWO, IT'S THERE NOW.
UH, BUT THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IS STEEL.
UH, TYPICALLY WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, WHEN THERE IS A CARPORT, STAFF IS GONNA RECOMMEND, UH, WOOD CONSTRUCTION.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL OPTION HERE, UM, IN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, UH, EITHER, UH, AS A, UM, A STEP TOWARD COMPLIANCE OR WHEN PEOPLE HAVE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FROM THE BEGINNING, UH, IS IF THEY DO NEED TO CONSTRUCT THE CARPORT WITH THE STEEL OR A METAL STRUCTURE OR A NON-COMBUSTIBLE STRUCTURE DUE TO PROXIMITY TO A PROPERTY LINE, UH, THEY'LL THEN JUST BASICALLY FUR OUT WOOD COLUMNS.
UH, SO INSTEAD OF THE FOUR BY FOUR STEEL POSTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE A SIX BY SIX POSTS AND IN A SENSE IT'LL ACT THE SAME AS, UH, SOME FRONT PORCH COLUMNS DO, WHERE THERE'S THE STRUCTURAL MEMBER.
AND THEN, UH, MORE OF A DECORATIVE DETAIL ON THE EXTERIOR.
UH, THAT COULD BE DONE POTENTIALLY WITH THE COLUMNS.
THAT COULD BE DONE WITH THE FASCIA BOARD ADDED, UH, TO ENCLOSE THE, THE STEEL BEAMS. UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD THEN JUST BE LEFT, UH, TO, UH, REMEDY THE ROOF MATERIAL.
UM, IT'S PREVIOUSLY NOTED STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF BECAUSE THAT'S THE ROOFING MATERIAL ON THE TWO STRUCTURES THAT ARE ADDRESSING, UH, FRONTING CROCKETT STREET.
UH, HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION COULD FIND, UM, OR COULD MOTION, UH, FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR YOU COULD MODIFY IT, UH, HOWEVER YOU SEE FIT.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REAR CARPORT OR QUESTIONS ABOUT MATERIALS OR THE POTENTIAL ABILITY TO, UH, ADD WOOD TO THIS TO MAKE IT APPEAR TO BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD AND MAYBE A LITTLE CLOSER TO WHAT WOULD BE FOUND IN THE DISTRICT? YEAH, EDWARD.
UH, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE CARPORT COULD COME INTO COMPLIANCE AS IT IS WITH THE STRUCTURE, BUT AS LONG AS THEY PUT, UH,
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A WOOD VENEER ESSENTIALLY WHAT WOULD BE A VENEER ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE POST ESSENTIALLY THAT, THAT WOULD BE, AND ALONG THE TOP RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE, THE ROOF GENERALLY.SO THAT, EXCUSE ME, THAT WOULD BE ONE STEP TOWARD IT.
UM, NOW YOU, YOU ALL I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE, LIKE AT OUR, AT OUR HOME WHERE I, I PUT WOOD OUTSIDE OF A POST ON OUR FRONT PORCH, SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND I, I KNOW HOW TO, I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
SO, MR. RODRIGUEZ, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO, UM, COVERING UP THE STEEL, UH, STRUCTURE? THAT'S THE POST ON THE, UH, YEAH, ON THE POST, YEAH, I COULD DO THAT.
AND WELL ALSO THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE, UH, THE ROOF PART, BUT THE SUPPORT AREA, I DON'T, I'VE NEVER DONE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD, I MEAN, WHAT I COULD DO IS MAYBE PUT THE, PUT THE WOOD LIKE HE WAS TELLING ME, AND THEN MAYBE I COULD PAINT IT THE COLOR OF THE BROWN, BECAUSE UNDERNEATH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD FUR THAT OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA PUT, UM, I GUESS WHAT I'LL SAY IS, UH, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANCE PLACED ON ADDING A FASCIA BOARD AROUND THE PERIMETER.
THAT MAY NOT BE, AND I DON'T, SO YOU SEE THE WOOD, SO YOU SEE ALL THE WOOD IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, SIR.
UM, AND THEN MAYBE SOMEBODY WOULD NOT NOTICE THE RAFTERS UNTIL THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY UP UNDER, UH, THAT'S JUST A, SOME SENSE, THAT'S MAYBE JUST A SUGGESTION FOR MOTION MAKERS.
UM, YOU ALL DECIDE AS YOU SEE FIT FOR THAT.
UM, WHY DON'T TAKE A NOTE OF THAT PARTICULAR, AND THEN, UM, I, I GUESS LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ROOF MATERIAL.
UH, SO MR. RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THE EXACT ROOF MATERIAL THAT'S THERE.
AND THEN, UH, JUST AS A NOTE, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF OR AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF TO MATCH THE ROOFING MATERIAL THAT'S ON, UH, THE TWO, UH, PRIMARY OR THE TWO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON SITE.
UH, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE ROOFING MATERIAL THAT'S THERE? AND THEN COMMISSIONERS, UH, YOU CAN, UH, ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OR THE CAPABILITY TO CHANGE ROOFING MATERIALS OR, UH, MAY DETERMINE WHAT, WHAT'S THERE MAY BE APPROPRIATE NOW ON, ON THE ROOF, IT, IT'S, IT'S AN ART PANEL AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, IT DROPS LIKE FROM ONE AREA TO ONE, ONE SIDE TO THE, TO THE OTHER SIDE, IT DROPS LIKE SIX INCHES OR 10 INCHES.
SO THE ROOF REALLY IS NOT VISIBLE.
BUT I WAS THINKING AS YOU'RE TALKING THAT FASCIA, SOMEHOW I COULD TIE THAT FASCIA WHERE YOU JUST SEE THE WOOD AND YOU DON'T SEE THE METAL.
THAT R PANEL KIND OF, IT CAN KIND OF HIDE THAT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF AS WE'RE TALKING, THAT'S WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY SEE THE ROOF.
WELL, SIR, THE, BECAUSE IT'S FLAT, THE ROOF IS OUTTA COMPLIANCE AND UH, YOU'D NEED TO HELP ME IF I'M, UH, INCORRECT EDWARD, BUT THE ROOF IS NON-COMPLIANT AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE EITHER SHINGLE OR, OR SOME KIND OF A, WELL, I'LL, I'LL SAY THAT WITHIN THE, WELL, THE, GENERALLY THE GUIDELINES WOULD SUPPORT TWO ROOFING MATERIALS.
THAT WOULD BE AN ASPHALT SHINGLE.
UM, OR THAT WOULD BE A STANDING SEAM METAL.
UH, WITH THIS BEING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND LOW VISIBILITY, IT'S NOT ON A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UM, SO THE COMMISSION COULD MAKE AN EXCEPTION IF YOU WANTED TO.
UH, THERE COULD BE, YOU COULD SAY WE WANT TO SEE AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF PUT ON, LIKE STAFF IS RECOMMENDED.
THE COMMISSION CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, BUT GENERALLY ASPHALT SHINGLE OR STANDING SEA METAL, UM, BY NOTING STANDING SEA METAL.
I'M ALSO NOT SAYING THAT A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD BE INSTALLED HERE.
AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF WOULD BE FINE.
AND THIS IS NOT STANDING SEA METAL, CORRECT? THIS IS NOT, COULD I COULD, I'M OPEN TO DOING STANDING SEA METAL.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA WITH THAT WOOD, WITH THE WOOD FASCIA THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEN MAYBE CHANGING THAT TO STAND AND SEAM METAL.
THAT SEEMS, I MEAN, I'M, I'M, IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I'LL JUST SEE IF THEY, IF THEY GET YOUR OPINION ON THAT.
I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO YOU'D BE AMENABLE TO CHANGING THE POST, CHANGING THE FASCIA TO WOOD, AND THEN YOU'D BE AMENABLE TO CHANGING THE ROOFING MATERIAL TO A SHINGLE OR STANDING SEAM METAL? 100%.
I'M NOT, I MEAN, YEAH, I'M, I'M OPEN TO DO IT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT, HEY, IT'S GOTTA BE THIS WAY OR I'M NOT FIGHTING.
ALL RIGHT, EDWARD, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
AND THEN, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, THAT IS THE LANDSCAPING.
AND I BELIEVE MR. RODRIGUEZ SAID THAT HE, UM, WE GENERALLY BE ABLE TO COMPLY.
UM, SO, UH, GENERALLY WITH THE LANDSCAPING, THERE'S UM, TWO MAIN THINGS I GUESS I I COULD SAY.
UM, NUMBER ONE IS, UM, RACHEL, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE PHOTO NUMBER SEVEN, MAYBE, THERE WE GO.
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THE SIDEWALK IS AT THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEN THERE'S A WALKWAY THAT'S DAMAGED CONCRETE THAT BEGINS TO LEAD TO THE FRONT PORCH.UH, GENERALLY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, THERE WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED IN, UH, FULL PORT CONCRETE.
SO APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET WIDE, UH, FULL CONCRETE STRIP THAT WOULD, THAT, THAT WOULD RUN TO THE FRONT PORCH, THE, UH, PAVERS THAT THEN GO, UH, UM, PARALLEL WITH THE SIDEWALK THAT CONNECT THE TWO HOUSES OR CONNECT THE TWO WHERE CONCRETE WOULD BE.
AND THEN THE PAVERS THAT RUN DOWN THE, THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO HOUSES, THOSE ARE NOT AS OF MUCH CONCERN.
UH, STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERN AS FAR AS THE CONCRETE GOES IS THE RESTORATION OF THE ORIGINAL WALKWAYS THAT HAVE, WOULD, WOULD'VE GONE FROM THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT PORCH.
UH, THE SECOND PART OF THE LANDSCAPING IS, UM, YES, PREVIOUSLY THESE HOUSES HAD BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION, YOU COULD SAY FOR PROBABLY FOUR YEARS OR SO.
UH, AND SO MUCH OF THE FRONT YARD, UH, PRIOR TO WORK INITIALLY STARTING WAS OVERGROWN.
UH, IT WASN'T MANICURED, IT WASN'T KEPT.
UH, AND THEN, UH, ONCE CONSTRUCTION STARTED, OF COURSE, UH, YOU CAN IMAGINE, UH, GRASS IS QUICKLY TRAMPLED AND, AND DIES AND THERE'S, UH, DIRT.
UH, AND SO, UM, THE GUIDELINES IN, IN OUR POLICY DOCUMENT FOR LANDSCAPING OR ZERO ESCAPING, BASICALLY SAY WITHIN THE FRONT YARD, THERE NEEDS TO BE 50% OF NATIVE PLANTINGS OR COVERINGS.
UH, SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE NATURAL LAWN OR TURF THAT GOES BACK.
UH, BUT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THE APPLICANT TO INCORPORATE, UM, NATIVE DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTINGS IF HE WANTED TO, OR HE COULD, HE COULD PLACE GRASS BACK THERE.
UM, AND YOU'RE, AND IN THE STIPULATIONS IT MENTIONS, UH, HE COULD ALSO DO LANDSCAPE ROCK NOT TO EXCEED TWO INCHES IN SIZE THAT ARE OF A NATURAL COLOR, NOT BLACK LIKE IT IS.
SO GENERALLY WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WOULD BE, UH, UH, MORE OF A, UH, A, A LIGHTER GRAY NATURAL COLOR OR A DECOMPOSED GRANITE.
UH, AND GENERALLY WHAT WE WOULD SEE HERE WOULD BE A SERIES OF PLANTING BEDS, UH, WITH, UH, NATIVE DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS.
OR HE COULD INSTALL TURF WITHIN THE FRONT NATURAL GRASS, TURF WITHIN THE FRONT YARD, UH, TO ACCOMPLISH THE 50% AND THEN PUT DECOMPOSED GRANITE OR GRAVEL BETWEEN THE HOUSES LEADING BACK TO THE CARPORT.
UM, THERE'S A, A, A WHOLE HOST OF SCENARIOS.
I THINK THE MAIN THING FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, IF, IF HE UNDERSTANDS THIS AND AND CAN AGREE TO THIS, IS TO REMOVE THE PAVERS LEADING FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT PORCH AND RE POUR THE CONCRETE WALKWAY FOR BOTH STRUCTURES AND THEN TO, OKAY, YEAH, I CAN DO THAT.
SO IT, IT, IT GENERALLY SEEMS LIKE, UH, BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICANT, BUT YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE BEFORE HOW IT WAS JUST PIECES OF CONCRETE THAT WERE BROKEN.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING REMOVE THOSE PAVERS THAT GO TO THE STREET, WHICH THE, THE CITY SIDEWALK IS ALL BROKEN TOO, BUT REGARDLESS, THAT'S JUST, SO REMOVE THE, REMOVE THE, THE PAVERS THAT I PUT AND PUT A NICE WALKWAY RIGHT INTO THAT BROKEN WALKWAY OF THE CITY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CONCRETE? APPROXIMATELY LIKE 30 FEET.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE ROCKS IN THE FRONT, YOU'RE SAYING TO REMOVE THE BLACK ROCKS, THEY'RE ONLY LIKE AN INCH BIG, YOU'RE SAYING TO REMOVE THOSE AND THEN JUST PUT GRASS IN THE FRONT, BUT NOT BETWEEN THE HOUSES.
IS THAT OKAY OR DO I GOTTA REMOVE ALL THAT TOO? UH, WELL, SO, UM, THE, BECAUSE YOU HAD SAID IT WASN'T OF YOUR MAIN CONCERN, SO I'M, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO YEAH, SO THE, THE, IF YOU COULD PUT GRASS IN THE FRONT YARD, THE, THE MAIN CONCERN WITH THE GRAVEL BETWEEN THE HOUSES IS THE COLOR.
UH, THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT, UH, DARKER BLACK COLOR IS ATYPICAL FOR WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY SEE, UH, NATIVE TO SAN ANTONIO, UH, YOU KNOW, DECOMPOSED GRANITE OR UH, A LIGHTER GRAY COLOR OF ROCK.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, COMMISSIONERS CAN, CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT AS WELL.
BUT YES, UH, GRASS OR NATIVE PLANTINGS THAT COVER 50% OF THE LAWN AND AREA WOULD, WOULD RESOLVE THAT PORTION OF THIS.
SO I, I'LL, SO I GUESS I, LIKE I SAID, SO WHAT I CAN DO IS I'LL DO THE, I'LL POUR THE CONCRETE IN THE FRONT AND THEN I'LL PUT THE, THE GRASS IN THE FRONT, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEN I GUESS IN THE MIDDLE, I, I COULD LEAVE THAT PART THE SAME OR DO I GOTTA REMOVE ALL THE ROCK IN THE MIDDLE? AND YOU SAID THE PAVERS IN THE MIDDLE ARE FINE, IT'S IN THE FRONT THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH, WHICH IS THAT IMAGE THERE.
WHICH I CAN REMOVE THOSE AND PUT THE CONCRETE THERE, BUT IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE, THAT LITTLE WALKWAY, I CAN LEAVE THAT.
THE WAY IT IS IS THAT, HOW AM I CORRECT THERE? YOU CAN LEAVE THOSE PAVERS IN THE MIDDLE, HOWEVER YOU WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THE GRAVEL.
SO I GOTTA REMOVE ALL THE GRAVEL IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? ESSENTIALLY, YES.
WELL THAT, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.
'CAUSE I, I'M, I DON'T WANT A GRAY AREA.
THERE'S ENOUGH GRAY IN THE, ON THE GROUND.
I DON'T WANT ANY MORE GRAY AREA.
AND IT WOULD BE REMOVING JUST THE BLACK ROCK.
THE PAVERS CAN STAND AS THEY ARE ALL
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ALL, BUT THE BLACK ROCK WOULD NEED TO GO CORRECT BETWEEN THE HOUSE.THE, THE, THE, THE, THE PAVERS, ALL OF THE PAVERS CAN, CAN, ALL OF THE PAVERS CAN STAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, THE TWO LEADING TO THE HOUSE LOOKS, THE THREE THAT LEAD TO THE HOUSE, TO THE HOUSES, YES.
SO COMMISSIONER SENSOR, NO BLACKROCK, UH, SIDEWALK GOING FROM THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK TO THE TWO HOMES HAVE TO BE, UH, ONE PIECE AND THEN THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE, UH, REPLACED WITH WOOD, CORRECT? YEAH.
IF I MAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. RODRIGUEZ IS, IS IS VERY AMENABLE TO SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS.
SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY REMOVING THE EXISTING BLACKROCK, JUST PLACING A LIGHTER COLOR ROCK ON TOP OF IT, UM, TO WHERE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE DARK ROCK.
THAT, WELL THAT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF WORK REMOVING THAT.
I MEAN IF IT'S HAVE TO DO IT, HAVE TO DO IT.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE LIVING THERE, I MEAN, ANYWAY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S FOR ANOTHER TIME.
I GUESS I WOULD SHARE CONCERN THOUGH OVER THAT, THAT METHOD, UH, OF THE BLACKROCK RESURFACING, YOU MEAN COVERING IT UP? YEAH.
UH, JUST NATURALLY COMING BACK ON ITS OWN.
YEAH, I THINK AT SOME POINT LIKE A
LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FIRST FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T DO THIS IN IN ORDER, BUT GO AHEAD.
SO FOLLOWING UP ON, UH, THE, THE SIDEWALK ISSUE OR THE FRONT WALK RATHER BASED ON THE DESIGN OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND SOME OF THE OLDER PICTURES, IT LOOKS LIKE THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A DUPLEX AT ONE POINT.
AND I'M WONDERING, GIVEN OUR POLICIES ON DUPLEXES, IS THE REC THE RECOMMENDATION ONE LARGE, WIDE FRONT WALK OR TWO SEPARATE WALKS? THERE'S, UH, BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE THE OLDER GOOGLE, GOOGLE STREET VIEW, UH, WE ONLY BELIEVE THAT THERE'S EVER ONE WALKWAY.
UM, SO THE DUPLEX, IF IT WAS ONE, WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA SAY FOR CERTAIN, BUT LIKELY WAS DONE AFTER THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION.
I WOULD ALSO JUST MENTION THAT IN ADDITION TO THE EXCELLENT RESOURCES THAT OHP HAS REGARDING LANDSCAPING AND, AND, AND ROCKS, UM, AND, AND OTHER ELEMENTS THERE, THAT SAWS HAS A PHENOMENAL AND AWARD-WINNING, UH, WATER CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT THAT HAS PRODUCED SOME VERY GOOD RESOURCES ON DROUGHT TOLERANT LANDSCAPES, GROUND COVERS AND, AND OTHER MATERIALS.
UM, AND SOME, SOME FINANCIAL REBATES.
SO IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE FOR THE APPLICANT TO, TO CHECK IN WITH SAWS AND, AND WORK WITH SAWS AND OHP ON, ON MOVING FORWARD.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, AND THIS IS FOR THE HOMEOWNER, UH, IN READING ONE OF THE LETTERS IN REGARD TO THIS CASE THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, THEY MENTIONED THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE MEANS OF, UH, ENTRY AND EGRESS AND THAT'S THE FRONT DOOR.
AND THEY WERE WONDERING IF THAT COMPLIES WITH CODE AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU DID UH, TAKE THAT DOOR OUT OR IF IT WAS ALREADY LIKE THAT? NO, IT WAS LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT WAS.
THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW IT WAS.
SO THEN I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THAT COMPLIANT? THAT'S NOT IT OR IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW? UH, WELL IT'S NOT IN THE COMMISSION'S PURVIEW.
IT ISN'T IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT IT IS A CONCERN.
AND WOULD THAT BE AUTOMATICALLY FLAGGED TO DSD? UH, YES.
SO I'LL SAY THAT, UM, I'M OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION RIGHT NOW THAT THERE'S CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED FOR BOTH STRUCTURES.
AND SO, UM, WHAT, AS FAR AS FIRE EGRESS GOES, NOT TO GET OFF TOPIC TOO MUCH, BUT UH, WINDOWS WITHIN BEDROOMS NEED TO BE OPERABLE FOR SOMEBODY TO ESCAPE DURING A FIRE.
SO THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL POINTS OF EGRESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ACTUALLY I HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, I JUST ALSO WANTED THEN TO TELL THE HOMEOWNER THAT ACTUALLY A LIGHTER COLOR COLORED GRAVEL, UM, WILL HELP YOU WITH HEAT BECAUSE YOUR DARK GRAVEL IS GONNA ABSORB ANY HEAT AND KEEP IT AND THEN RERADIATE IT.
SO IF YOU GO WITH A LIGHTER COLOR, JUST LIKE YOUR HOUSE IS PAINTED WHITE OR LIGHT GRAY, UM, IT IS GONNA HELP TO KEEP THE TEMPERATURE AROUND YOUR HOUSE
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LOWER.UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO UH, VOTE ON AND ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND UH, COMMISSIONERS, CAN I JUST NOTE, UM, IT GENERALLY SEEMS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH US FOR ITEMS TWO AND THREE.
AND SO WHAT WE CAN DO AS STAFF IS WE CAN MEET WITH THE APPLICANT AND UM, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT BY YOU ALL ACCEPTING STAFF'S MOTION THAT UH, FOR A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF, YOU WOULD ALSO BE OKAY WITH THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO DO THAT AND CLADDING THE CARPORT IN WOOD TO MAKE IT APPEAR TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD.
WE, SO AND WOULD YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION JUST SO FOR CLARITY, UM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THERE WAS A SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S, UM, ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.