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SO I WILL, UM, ASK THE CLERK TO DO A ROLL CALL.
COUNCILWOMAN ANDREWS SULLIVAN.
MADAM CHAIR, WE DO HAVE A POEM.
SO WE ARE EXPERIMENTING TODAY, UM, WITH THIS NEW STYLE HERE IN THE CHAMBERS.
UM, AND SO LET ME JUST START BY INTRODUCING SOME OF OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, WE HAVE COUNCILMAN ANDREW JADAS, ANDREW SULLIVAN.
HERE SHE IS ON, UH, ON Q, UM, AND COUNCILWOMAN VIE GRAND JOINING, UH, OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS
LORI HOUSTON IS OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND, UH, ALICE BECKHAM IS OUR COUNTY CLERK.
SO, LORI, I THINK MAYBE YOU SHOULD COME CLOSER.
UH, SO WE'RE EXPERIMENTING HERE, UM, DOING ALL OF OUR MEETINGS IN THE CHAMBERS.
ALL OF OUR MEETINGS WILL NOW BE TELEVISED.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA EXPERIMENT WITH THIS FORMAT AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
SO THE, I JUST WANNA GO A LITTLE BIT OVER WHAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IN THIS COMMITTEE.
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SA TOMORROW, SUPPORTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THE SA QUARTERS PLAN, AS WELL AS SOME REGIONAL PLANS.
WE DISCUSS HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ITEMS IN THIS COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE MAYOR'S HOUSING POLICY, TASK FORCE FORCE ISSUES, UNITED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ISSUES, UH, UM, OVERSIGHT OF C P S AND SAWS.
T C I ALSO INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND OVERSIGHT FOR PRESERVING SAN ANTONIO'S UNIQUE ARTISTIC, CULTURAL AND HISTORIC HERITAGE, UM, BY CONSIDERING PLANS FOR THE ALAMO, THE MARKET SQUARE, THE ALAMEDA, LA VITA, WORLD HERITAGE, AND OTHERS.
SO, UM, UH, COMBINING A QUITE A FEW THINGS.
SO THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS MAY LAST LONG, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT ANY MEETING THAT LASTS AN HOUR MORE THAN AN HOUR IS TOO LONG.
SO I'LL TRY TO MOVE US ALONG, UM, IN THE COMMITTEE.
[1. 19-5994 Approval of the minutes from the May 15, 2019 Comprehensive Plan Committee Meeting]
WE WILL START WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 15TH COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING.COULD I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM BILL 15 AND JUNE 17? YES.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE, APPROVE THE MEETINGS FROM THE MINUTES FROM MAY 17TH AND JUNE, MAY 15TH AND JUNE 17TH.
[Citizens to be Heard]
A, A FEW CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, AND WE'RE GONNA START THIS MORNING WITH THE, UM, SOME MEMBERS THAT ARE HEARD TO SPEAK REGARDING THE ALAMO.EVA, MADAM CHAIR, IS THAT THREE MINUTES? THREE MINUTES? AND, UM, YES.
UH, GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR.
UH, MY NAME IS ART MARTINEZ AVADA.
I AM THE TRIBAL COUNCIL FOR THE TOP PILAM CO TECA NATION, AND A ENROLLED MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE WANTED TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT THE TRIBAL COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF HAVE, HAS A, UH, HAVE HAD A VERY LONG AND, UH, ESTABLISHED WORKING RELATIONSHIP, ONE IN WHICH WE GREATLY VALUE.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOUR CONTINUED, UH, SUPPORT IN WORKING WITH US.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THE ALAMO PROJECT THAT WE'D LIKE TO RAISE TO YOU, THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF.
UH, IN PARTICULAR, UH, I'M GONNA SPEAK TO SOME RECENT, UM, UH, OCCURRENCES THAT HAPPENED IN FRONT OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, AND WE'LL HAVE SUBSEQUENT SPEAKERS, UH, SPEAK ON OTHER MATTERS.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU, I THINK NEARLY EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS THAT THE, THAT THE ALAMO WAS ONCE A, UH, SPANISH COLONIAL MISSION, UH, AS A MISSION.
IT FUNCTIONED, UH, AS A CHURCH, AS A RESIDENCE, AND, AND IT HAD A CEMETERY.
THERE ARE AT LEAST 1300 ENTRIES IN THE BOOK OF BURIALS FOR THE ALAMO, UH, OVER 1100 OF WHICH, UH, OCCURRED AT THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE ALAMO.
HOWEVER, WHEN THE, UH, TRIBAL COMMUNITY, WHEN PILAM, UH, FILED FOR A HISTORIC CEMETERY DESIGNATION, UH, THE ALAMO TRUST, UH, FILED A BRIEF.
AND, AND I'LL QUOTE FROM IT, PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT A T I OBJECTS TO THE DESIGNATION AND MAINTAINS THAT A CEMETERY DOES NOT EXIST ON THE ALAMO PROPERTY.
UH, THIS, THIS BLATANT DENIAL IS A, IS INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST.
IT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT, UH, THE CITY AND THE TRIBAL COMMUNITY HAVE WORKED, UH, TOGETHER ON SINCE THE 1990S, GOES AGAINST ALL OF THE, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STAFF THAT,
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UH, UH, FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.AND UNFORTUNATELY, FURTHER ON DOWN IN THE PROCESS, WE HAD A BRIEF FILE FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO BY, UH, EDWARD F. GUZMAN, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, WHERE HE, UH, AGREES WITH THE ALAMO TRUST AND, AND INDICATES, AND I QUOTE THE SUBJECT, PROPERTY CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE ANY SUCH EVIDENCE OF INTERNMENT OR UNMARKED GRAVES.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, AMERICAN INDIAN COMMUNITY AND THE ARCHEOLOGICAL COMMUNITY OF TEXAS HAVE BEEN WORKING OVER THE LAST 30 TO 40 YEARS TO PROTECT NATIVE AMERICAN GRAVE SITES TO GET, UH, REFORMS IN THE, UH, TEXAS ANTIQUITIES CODE, UM, UH, TO, TO OVERCOME THIS TRADITIONAL OBJECTION TO NATIVE AMERICAN BURIAL SITES.
AND I'LL QUOTE FROM A 19 98, 19 98 ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION, UH, WHICH, UH, EXPLICITLY, UH, CONDEMNS THIS TYPE OF, OF DISCRIMINATION.
IT SAYS, UH, QUOTE, THE RATIONALE, UH, IS, IS LIKELY ROOTED IN THE TRADITIONAL BELIEF IN THE SANCTITY OF ONE'S FINAL RESTING PLACE TO INDIANS.
INDIAN BURIAL GROUNDS ARE CONSECRATED GROUNDS IMBUED WITH THE SAME SACRED CHARACTER AS GRAVES AND OTHER SOCIETIES TO HOLD.
OTHERWISE, IN MY OPINION, WOULD BE A DENIAL OF, OF EQUALITY OF, UH, EQUALITY OF THE LAW DUE TO NATIONAL ORIGIN, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF ARTICLE ONE, SECTION THREE A OF THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION.
THAT OPINION IS, IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET WE BROUGHT FOR YOU TODAY.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, IT'S TIME IS BRIEF, UH, AND THE ALAMO TRUST ARE PERPETUATING THIS HISTORIC, UH, DISCRIMINATION AGAINST NATIVE AMERICAN BURIAL SITES.
AND, AND WE'D LIKE THE CITY AS A LANDOWNER TO, TO, TO REVISIT THIS SITUATION AND PERHAPS TAKE ACTION.
UM, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I SERVE AS THE MAYORS APPOINTEE TO THE ALAMO ADVISORY CITIZENS COMMITTEE FOR, UM, ARCHEOLOGY AND HISTORY.
AND OUR, MY, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'M HERE TO RAISE IS THE FACT THAT THE CEMETERY IS NOT BEING CONSIDERED UNDER THE LAWS OF TAXES.
UH, THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE AND THE ALAMO TRUST AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ATTORNEY HAVE FOUGHT REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THIS CEMETERY HAS NOT RECEIVED THE PROTECTIONS THAT'S AFFORDED TO OTHER CEMETERIES ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS.
WE'RE ASKING THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AS RESPONSIBLE LANDOWNERS OF THE PROPERTY THAT MAINTAINS THE, UH, PART OF THE, UM, CEMETERY THAT YOU ORDER A COMPLETE HISTORICAL, UH, UH, DELINEATION STUDY FOR THE CEMETERY AND AN IN-DEPTH ARCHIVAL RESEARCH, UH, INVESTIGATION, JUST LIKE THE CITY HAS DONE ON OTHER CEMETERY ISSUES IN THE PAST.
CURRENTLY, UM, AT MAVERICK PLAZA, THE LINEAL DESCENDANTS WERE BROUGHT IN TO DEVELOP THE HUMAN REMAIN PROTOCOLS.
MAVERICK PLAZA IS THE SECOND LOCATION, IS THOUGHT TO BE THE SECOND LOCATION OF THE ALAMO, AND IT ALSO IS THOUGHT TO BE THE RESTING PLACE OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE LISTED IN THE BURIAL BOOK.
IF THAT IS TRUE, THEN WE ARE ASKING WHY ARE WE DOING ONE THING? WHY ARE WE ENGAGING IN ONE PRACTICE FOR ONE SITE OF A SAME CULTURAL LANDSCAPE OF THE ALAMO? AND IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY AT ALAMO PLAZA.
THE SAME, THE DESCENDANTS, THE LINEAL DESCENDANTS ARE BEING LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS AT ALAMO PLAZA RIGHT NOW IN DEVELOPMENT OF THE, OF THE HUMAN REMAIN PROTOCOLS, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR PEOPLE THAT ARE BURIED THERE.
THEY DON'T THE ADOPT THE FAMILY, THE VALDEZ, THE CANTOS, THE CASTROS CARAL ESPINOZA ROJAS UIA DE LA CRUZ HERNANDEZ RODRIGUEZ S DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT AND MORE, AND THERE'S PLENTY MORE WILL NOT HAVE THE RIGHT THAT THEY'RE AFFORDED UNDER THE LAWS OF TEXAS, THE CEMETERY LAWS OF TEXAS, TO DETERMINE WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS IS GOING TO BE.
SO IN 2017, THE CITY DID THE SAME THING AT MILAM PARK.
THEY ENGAGED THE LINE, DESCENDANTS OF SAN ANTONIO BROUGHT THEM TOGETHER TO PROVIDE INPUT AND IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF HUMAN REMAINS PROTOCOLS.
AND WE ASKED WHY IS IT OKAY FOR THE CITY TO DO IT AT MILAM PARK? WHY IS IT OKAY FOR THE CITY TO DO IT AT MAVERICK PLAZA? BUT IT'S NOT OKAY TO DO IT AT THE ALAMO PLAZA.
THE FINAL RESTING PLACE OF JUAN BLANCO, THE GRANDFATHER OF VICTOR BLANCO, THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAYOR OF SAN ANTONIO IN 1809, IS BURIED THERE.
WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT TO DO AN IN-DEPTH STUDY OF THIS PLACE? TIME? SO THANK YOU AGAIN.
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INFORMATION.WHAT I'VE PROVIDED YOU IS JUST A SNAPSHOT, UM, OF OUR PROACTIVE APPROACH TO THIS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS AND PAST 30 YEARS ACTUALLY.
AND SO WE'RE OPEN TO ANY MORE, UH, CONVERSATIONS.
HELLO, MY NAME IS ALEXIS REYES.
I AM OF THE BAIA TRIBE OF THE DEAM DE NATION.
TODAY I AM READING A STATEMENT FROM MY TRIBAL ELDER, RAYMOND HERNANDEZ, WHO CANNOT BE HERE TODAY AS, AS OUR ELECTED LEADERS, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY INCLUDES EQUAL PROTECTION FOR ALL HU FOR ALL CITIZENS UNDER THE LAW.
OUR INVOLVEMENT AND RECORD WITH THE ALAMO IS CLEAR.
IT IS NOT IN OUR FAMILY'S INTEREST TO OBSTRUCT OR DE DELAY THE ALAMO PROJECT.
IT WAS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFINE THE LEGAL BOUNDARIES OF THE CEMETERY.
IT IS OBVIOUS WE CANNOT UNDO PREVIOUS CONSTRUCTION THAT IS PARTIALLY BUILT ON THE CEMETERY, BUT WE HAVE A DUTY TO PROTECT WHATEVER, WHATEVER BURIALS STILL EXIST.
THIS SUGGESTION AS FEAR TACTIC THAT IMPLIES DISTURBANCE TO EXISTING BUILDINGS AND BUSINESS ON THE CEMETERY IS NONSENSE.
WE CANNOT OR WILL NOT COMPROMISE ANY REMOVAL FROM THE ALAMO CHAPEL OR COMPOUND.
I AM CERTAIN THAT IF IT WERE YOUR FAMILY OR THAT OF THE G L O, YOU WOULD BE FIGHTING TO PRESERVE THE LEGACY FOR OUR GRAND, FOR YOUR GRANDCHILDREN.
ASK YOURSELF WHY IS THE G L O ALAMO TRUST AND NOW THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FIGHTING HARD TO DENY OUR LEGAL RIGHT AS LINEAL DESCENDANTS TO BE PART OF THE HUMAN REMAIN PROTOCOL AS WE ARE WITH SANTA ROSA HOSPITAL AND CURRENTLY WITH MAVERICK PLAZA, THE SARI DEFENSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION DELAY AND NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE A DEADLINE FOR COMPLETION IS UNACCEPTABLE.
THE CITY STATE HAD MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO RECTIFY THE CEMETERY SITUATION FOR DECADES, ESPECIALLY SINCE 1994.
HUMAN REMAIN PROTOCOLS WERE AGREED UPON THIS PROJECT.
IF THIS PROJECT FAILS, THE BLAME WILL FALL ON OUR ELECTED LEADERS AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO SPEND TAXPAYERS' MONEY LOOKING FOR LOOPHOLES TO AVOID THE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
THIS IS NOT ONLY DETRIMENTAL TO HISTORICAL PRESERVATION FOR THE FUTURE, BUT FOR THOSE CITIZENS WHO CELEBRATED DURING THE TRICENTENNIAL JUST LAST YEAR, IT IS INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST AND NOW CIRCUMVENT THEIR DESCENDANTS WHEN THEY ARE THE BEDROCK OF WHICH WE STAND.
ASK YOURSELF WHY THE ALAMO TRUST IS GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO SEEK HUMAN REMAIN ADVICE FROM TRIBES DI DISTANT FROM THIS LAND.
WHEN YOU HAVE DIRECT LINEAL DESCENDANTS STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, YOUR SILENCE AS THE ELECTED LEADERS IS ONLY CONTRIBUTING TO THIS DIVIDE.
THIS IS A QUESTION OF CHARACTER, INTEGRITY AND RULE OF LAW.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ALEXIS.
WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO A BRIEFING ON THE ALAMO NEXT TIME, UH, IN OUR MEETING.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF
[4. 19-5915 Briefing and possible action on the proposed update to the City's Chapter 28 Sign Code related to digital billboards. [Roderick J. Sanchez, Assistant City Manager; Michael Shannon, Director, Development Services]]
OTHER CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.SO I'M JUST GONNA TAKE IT A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER, UH, MIKE, AND GET RIGHT TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS A BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE CITY'S CHAPTER 28 SIGN CODE.
UH, SO WHY DON'T WE START THAT ONE? SO, UM, AND YOU GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION AND THEN I'LL LET THEM SPEAK SO THAT, UM, PEOPLE CAN GET ALONG WITH THEIR DAY.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL MOVE THE MEETING ALONG BRISKLY.
BUT, UH, MIKE, GO AHEAD AND, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
UH, THANK YOU CHAIRWOMAN AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
UH, SO AGAIN, UH, I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT, UH, DIGITAL BILLBOARDS AND SOME PROPOSED CHANGES TO OUR, UH, SIGN ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, HISTORY, SEE IF THIS THING IS ON WORKS BETTER.
SO, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, UH, BUT MANY OF YOU DO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, IN MANY OF OUR, UH, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, WE OVERSEE THE CITY'S SIGN CODE.
THE CITY SIGN CODE IS CHAPTER 28 OF, UH, OUR CITY CODE.
AND IT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, BOTH THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION OF SIGNS AS WELL AS, UH, ZONING CRITERIA, HOW MANY SIGNS YOU CAN HAVE AND WHERE YOU CAN PUT THEM.
BUT ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES, UH, TO REMEMBER IS THAT WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF SIGNS.
WE HAVE ON-PREMISE AND OFF, OFF-PREMISE SIGNS.
UH, SO, UM, IT'S VERY KEY TO THIS DISCUSSION TODAY.
WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT OFF-PREMISE SIGNS OR WHAT'S COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS BILLBOARDS, UH, BUT IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
UH, AN ON-PREMISE SIGN, I GOT A PICTURE THERE OF A WHATABURGER SIGN.
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SO THAT SIGN IS ON THEIR PROPERTY.THEY'RE TELLING PEOPLE THAT WHATABURGER, UH, RUNS THEIR BUSINESS THERE, SENDS, UH, SELLS A BUNCH OF BURGERS AND FRIES AND OTHER GREAT STUFF.
UH, SO THAT'S, UM, BUSINESSES LOCATED ON THE SITE WHERE THE SIGN IS THE BILLBOARDS OR OFF-PREMISE SIGNS ARE ACTUALLY ADVERTISING BUSINESSES OR MESSAGES THAT AREN'T LOCATED ON THAT SITE.
SO, UH, THERE'S A PICTURE OF, UH, ONE OF THE LARGE ONES THAT WE'LL SEE, UH, ON A HIGHWAY, UH, ABOUT 600 SQUARE FEET, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
UH, BUT ANY SIGN THAT ADVERTISES OFF-PREMISE ADVERTISES CALLED A BILLBOARD.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
SO, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF OUR SIGN CODE AND BILLBOARDS IN SAN ANTONIO, WE'LL START THERE.
SO, IN 19, IN THE 1980S, SO WELL BEFORE I WAS INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE OTHERS, UH, THAT ARE HERE, UM, WE HAD ABOUT 2300 BILLBOARDS, OUR OFF-PREMISE SIGNS IN SAN ANTONIO.
UH, SO, UH, IN ABOUT 1985, THE FIRST SIGN CODE, UH, HAPPENED AND THEY SAID, HEY, NO MORE BILLBOARDS.
THERE'S TOO MANY, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE BILLBOARDS, UH, IN TOWN, AND WE WANT TO ACTUALLY START REDUCING THE INVENTORY OF BILLBOARD.
SO THEY CREATED THESE RULES AND LAWS TO DO THAT.
IN 1985, WE, WE ESTABLISHED THIS TWO FOR ONE RELOCATION OR TAKE DOWN RATIO.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS ALL THOSE EXISTING 2300 SIGNS WERE, WERE, WERE, UH, GRANDFATHERED TO THAT DATE, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO RELOCATE ONE OF THEM OR PUT A NEW SIGN UP IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, YOU HAD TO TAKE DOWN TWO.
SO, UH, OVER THE YEARS, UM, THAT INVENTORY OF 2300 BILLBOARDS HAS DECREASED.
UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOWN TO JUST UNDER 1200 BILLBOARDS IN THIS CITY.
SO THINK 30 YEARS, LITTLE OVER 30 YEARS, WE'VE CUT THAT ALMOST IN HALF.
IN 2007 IS WHEN WE FIRST SAW DIGITAL BILLBOARDS IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO DIGITAL BILLBOARDS ARE THE, THOSE LARGE DIGITAL, UH, BILLBOARDS YOU SEE ON HIGHWAYS.
UH, SO IN 2007, THERE WAS A, A LENGTHY COMMUNITY DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AM MAYOR AT THAT TIME, UH, LED BY, UH, MY PREDECESSOR, ROD SANCHEZ IS HERE, UH, WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO THERE WAS A LONG PROCESS AND THERE WAS A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WAS, UH, AUTHORIZED BY ORDINANCE.
SO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME AUTHORIZED 15, UH, DIGITAL BILLBOARDS TO BE, UH, UH, INSTALLED IN THE SAN ANTONIO.
UH, AND THEN, UH, AFTER THAT YEAR PILOT PROGRAM, THEY SAID NO MORE.
THAT WAS THE DECISION AT THAT TIME, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO AGAIN, UNDER THE 2007, UH, ONE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM, UH, CITY COUNCIL ALLOWED 15, UH, ACTUALLY ONLY 13 PERMITS WERE PULLED THOUGH.
SO THERE WERE THESE TWO OTHER PERMITS THAT WEREN'T ERECTED.
UH, AND SO 13 EXISTING DIGITAL BILLBOARDS, UH, WERE CREATED IN 2007, 2008, AND THEY'VE BEEN UP FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.
UH, THERE'S A MAP THERE WITH THE LOCATION OF THOSE DOTS.
NOW, IF YOU DRIVE AROUND SAN ANTONIO AREA, YOU'LL SEE A HANDFUL OF OTHERS.
THE OTHER CITIES THAT AREN'T SAN ANTONIO, THINGS LIKE BALCONES HEIGHT, UNIVERSAL, UH, CITY, UH, SOME OF THOSE CITIES HAVE ALLOWED ADDITIONAL DIGITAL BILLBOARDS.
SO YOU'LL SEE A FEW MORE AS YOU DRIVE AROUND TOWN.
BUT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PROPER ONLY HAS 13.
THE TAKE DOWN RATIO THAT WAS ESTABLISHED, UH, 10 YEARS AGO IN THAT PROGRAM WAS A THREE TO ONE.
SO IN ORDER TO PUT UP A DIGITAL FACE, WHICH YOU SEE, THEY HAD TO TAKE DOWN THE EQUIVALENT OF THREE TIMES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, OF, UH, OF SIGNAGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID IN ORDER TO GET THOSE.
SO AT THE END OF THAT PILOT PROGRAM 13 WERE INSTALLED.
UH, THEY ARE, UH, THEY WERE ON EXISTING DIGITAL BILLBOARDS AT THE TIME.
SO THEY REALLY JUST REFACED, UH, A STATIC BILLBOARD.
THEY PUT THE DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY ON THERE.
UH, AT THE END OF THAT CITY COUNCIL, AMER DECIDED, UH, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO EXTEND ANYMORE.
SO THE 13, UH, THAT WERE ESTABLISHED THEN ARE THE ONES THAT YOU SEE TODAY.
NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, STA UH, DIGITAL BILLBOARDS.
SO THESE ARE NOT THE ON-PREMISE DIGITALS THAT YOU SEE.
SO YOU CAN GO TO SONIC AND YOU CAN GO, UH, TO C V S OR YOU CAN GO TO THE CAR DEALERSHIPS.
THOSE ARE DIGITAL SIGNS ON-PREMISE, AND THEY'LL HAVE SOME LETTERINGS, SOME MOVEMENT.
BUT THE DIGITAL BILLBOARD, THEY HAVE DWELL TIME REQUIREMENTS OF LIKE 10 SECONDS.
SO THEY HAVE TO AT LEAST BE STATIC FOR 10 SECONDS, AND THEN THEY CAN CHANGE, UH, THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THE MESSAGE FAIRLY QUICKLY.
WITHIN A SECOND OR LESS, THEY HAVE DEFAULT SAFETY MECHANISMS SO THAT IF SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THAT, THEY DON'T CREATE A, A CONDITION ON THAT HIGHWAY THAT IT, SO IT HAS TO FREEZE, UH, CASES, ANY MALFUNCTION.
AND, UH, THERE'S INTENSITY LIMITS ON, UH, ON THOSE AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH THESE, UH, CRITERIA, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN IN THE CODE FOR, UH, FOR A GOOD 10 YEARS, 11 YEARS.
SO WHY ARE WE HERE TODAY? SO, UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, SO IN THE JANUARY, DECEMBER, JANUARY, UH, TIMEFRAME, UH, CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOORS, WHO OWNS 12 OF THOSE 13 EXISTING DIGITALS, THEY, THEY OWN THE, THE VAST MAJORITY, THEY OWN 92% OF THE MARKET HERE IN SAN ANTONIO IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING DIGITALS.
UH, SO THEY OWN OVER A THOUSAND OF THOSE, UH, UH, A THOUSAND OF THOSE BILLBOARDS OUT OF THOSE ALMOST 1200.
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CAME TO US AND SAID, WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SIGN CODE TO BE CHANGED FOR RE ALLOWING THOSE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS TO HAVE THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE BILLBOARDS, THOSE 13 THAT ARE THERE.WE'D LIKE TO PUT DIGITAL FACES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE EXISTING 13 ONLY.
AND IF WE, WE DO THAT, WE WOULD REMOVE ALL OF OUR JUNIOR POSTERS.
JUNIOR POSTERS ARE A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
SO THEY HAVE A, A LOT OF THOSE AROUND TOWN 265.
UH, THEY ALSO PROPOSED, UH, AGAIN, TO ONLY UTILIZE THE EXISTING 13, UH, DIGITAL HIGHWAY BILLBOARDS.
NOW, IT WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR ANY NEW DIGITAL BILLBOARD STRUCTURES IN THE CITY.
AND IT WOULD, IN ADDITION, REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF SOME LARGE HIGHWAY BILLBOARD, UH, BILLBOARDS IN EITHER A SCENIC URBAN OR HISTORIC CORRIDORS.
THE TAKE DOWN RATIO PROPOSED IS FOUR TO ONE.
SO FOR EVERY FACE, UH, THAT THEY WOULD PUT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE EXISTING DIGITAL, UH, THEY WOULD TAKE DOWN THAT FOUR TO ONE RATIO.
AND THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE 265, UH, SMALLER ONES, JUNIORS THAT WE FIND A LOT, UH, IN OUR INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, UH, LIKE ANYTHING, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD DEAL.
A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 300 BILLBOARDS WOULD BE TAKEN DOWN IF WE WOULD ALLOW 13 DIGITAL FACES, BUT WE KNEW THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT WAS 11 YEARS AGO.
WE KNOW DIGITAL BILLBOARDS AND, AND SIGNS IN GENERAL.
UH, SOME OF YOU REMEMBER WE WENT THROUGH THE SIGN CODE UPDATE JUST A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND THAT'S JUST TO GO THROUGH THAT.
UH, BUT WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK DIGITAL BILLBOARDS AT THAT TIME.
SO WHAT DID WE DO? UH, FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, SINCE FEBRUARY, WE'VE GOT A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS TOGETHER.
WE KIND OF INVITED ANYBODY THAT WE KNEW REALLY LIKED OR DISLIKED SIGNS OR WANTED MORE, OR WANTED LESS.
AND WE ASKED SIGN COMPANIES, BILLBOARD COMPANIES, HOME BUILDERS, A I A, THE, THE ARCHITECTS APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, HABITAT, YOU CAN READ IT.
SCENIC SAN ANTONIO COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVES WERE THERE.
SO WE STARTED HAVING SOME STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.
UH, YOU LOOK, WE HAD A COUPLE OF STAKE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS EARLY ON, AND THEN WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING.
AND, AND THIS WAS INTERESTING 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR SA SPEAK UP PROGRAM, UH, WE NOT ONLY JUST WANT TO HAVE MEETINGS AND JUST INVITE PEOPLE TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WHERE WE HAD, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM 15 OR 20 PEOPLE SHOW UP, UH, THAT REALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
WE HAD THIS COMMUNITY MEETING ADVERTISED.
WE DID IT IN MAY, AND ACTUALLY NINE PEOPLE SHOWED UP.
SO, UH, WE HAD THE MEETING, UH, IT WASN'T THAT WELL ATTENDED.
WE HAD SOME GOOD COMMENTS FROM THOSE THAT ATTENDED.
UH, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, THAT, THAT TOLD US A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING, UM, THAT MAYBE JUST MAYBE, UM, IT WASN'T THE BIGGEST ISSUE ON EVERYBODY'S MIND AT THAT TIME.
BUT WHAT WE DID ALSO DO, WE DID SOME SURVEYS.
SO WE'RE ALL, WE'RE USING THESE SURVEYS, THESE ESSAY SPEAK UP SURVEYS.
I KNOW WE'VE USED THEM FOR, UH, OTHER BIG, UH, TICKET ITEMS, WHETHER IT BE THE BUDGET OR THE SCOOTERS AND OTHER THINGS.
I'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE RESPONDED AND WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY SAID, UH, TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO AS WE START WRAPPING THIS UP AND START TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WE HAD A, UH, A STAKEHOLDER MEETING, UH, JUST LAST WEEK TO TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE.
UH, AND THEN HERE WE ARE TODAY AND, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, GETTING SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, ONE OF THE PROPOSALS.
SO LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT OUR S ESSAY SPEAK UP SAID ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL.
IS IT GOOD? IS IT BAD? WELL, WE, WE PUT THESE QUESTIONS OUT THERE UTILIZING KIND OF THE SA SPEAK UP MODEL.
THIS IS THE, UH, EMPLOY, UH, THE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT, UM, ITEMS THAT YOU HAD ASKED US, UH, TO INCORPORATE INTO, INTO ALL.
SO WE HAD JUST UNDER A THOUSAND PEOPLE RESPOND.
SO THAT'S CERTAINLY BETTER THAN HAVING NINE PEOPLE RESPOND, UH, TO A COMMUNITY MEETING.
SO WE HAD ABOUT, UH, JUST UNDER A THOUSAND PEOPLE, 959, AND WE ASKED SOME VERY BASIC QUESTIONS.
SO, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT 1200 BILLBOARDS IN SAN ANTONIO? IS THAT TOO MANY, NOT ENOUGH? I REALLY WANT MORE SIGNS LEFT.
REALLY WANT MORE SIGNS, LESS SIGNS? WELL, OVERWHELMINGLY, 70% OF THE PEOPLE SAID, HEY, THERE'S TOO MANY BILLBOARDS IN TOWN.
OKAY, SO OUT OF THE ALMOST A THOUSAND PEOPLE.
SO THAT WAS A PRETTY STRONG MAJORITY, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE WE ALL KNEW.
UM, BUT, UH, THERE'S SOME DATA TO SUPPORT IT.
UM, SMALL PERCENTAGE HAD TOO LITTLE.
UH, MAYBE THAT WAS THE BILLBOARD COMPANY'S NO WAY TO KNOW.
UM, THEY'RE HERE IN, IN TOWN, SO THEY'LL APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT.
UH, SO THE, THE OTHER, UH, QUESTION THAT I HAD THERE WAS, HEY, THERE ARE, THERE ARE 13, UH, CURRENT DIGITAL BILLBOARDS.
UM, AND ARE YOU SATISFIED OR NOT SATISFIED WITH THOSE? AND IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, UH, 39% ARE EITHER VERY OR SOMEWHAT SATISFIED.
ABOUT 46% ARE EITHER SOMEWHAT DISSATISFIED, VERY DISSATISFIED.
SO, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE, SOMEWHAT ARE VERY DISSATISFIED WITH 'EM.
A BUNCH OF PEOPLE NEUTRAL, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CLOSE TO HALF AND HALF.
BUT, UH, NOT, NOT REALLY A BIG MAJORITY THERE.
SO NOW THE QUESTION ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL, WE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL.
SO OUT OF THE THOU, ALMOST A THOUSAND PEOPLE, UH, THE PROPOSAL IS IF, UH, ALMOST 300 JUNIOR, UH, BILLBOARDS AND A FEW OTHER BIG ONES ARE REMOVED THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO, WOULD YOU BE IN FAVOR OF THIS DIGITAL BILLBOARDS BEING DOUBLE-SIDED AS PROPOSED? 50%
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SAID YES, 40% SAID NO, 10% WE'RE KIND OF NEUTRAL.BUT IF YOU, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE 300 REMOVED, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE BIG, UH, TAKEDOWN OF, UH, THE JUNIORS PLUS THE FOUR TO ONE TAKEDOWN, WOULD YOU BE IN FAVOR? WELL, THAT ACTUALLY JUMPED UP TO, UH, ALMOST TWO THIRDS OF THE PEOPLE SAID NO.
SO, UH, WE PROBABLY THOUGHT THAT WAS OBVIOUS.
UH, YOU PROBABLY WANT A BIG TAKE DOWN WITH THESE DIGITALS.
SO, UH, IN GOING A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE, WE ASKED ABOUT THESE, UH, THESE CORRIDORS.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER, FOR SOME OF YOU THAT WERE ON COUNCIL A COUPLE YEARS AGO, NEAR THE END OF THE SIGN CODE DISCUSSION, UH, THE, THE HISTORIC OR THE SCENIC OR URBAN CORRIDORS, HOW CAN WE BETTER PROTECT THOSE? WAS ONE OF THOSE DISCUSSION POINTS THAT CAME UP AT THE END.
AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE KEEP FINDING WAYS TO PROTECT THOSE HISTORIC AND SCENIC AND URBAN CORRIDORS, UH, AND MAYBE FIND WAYS TO REMOVE, OR AT LEAST NOT ALLOW ANYMORE, BUT REMOVE, UH, SOME BILLBOARDS.
SO WE, WE ASKED THE QUESTION, WHICH ONES ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU? AND OVER HALF SAID, HISTORIC, UH, AND THEN SCENIC.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, THAT'S, UH, PRETTY UNDERSTANDING.
WE DO HAVE SOME DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED, UH, 50% FEMALES, 43% MALES, UH, THE OTHERS DIDN'T WANT TO TELL US.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS WAS INTERESTING, 7, 8, 9, UH, AND 10 HAD THE MOST RESPONDENTS, UH, OF THOSE THAT ACTUALLY TOLD US, UH, AND, AND WANTED TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION.
REMEMBER, THE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION IS ALL OPTIONAL, SO NOT 900 AND, UH, NOT ALL 900 UH, RESPONDED IT, SO THAT'S JUST SOME DATA.
UH, WE SUMMARIZE THAT UP BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, OF THE PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED, AGAIN, MOST PEOPLE THINK THERE'S TOO MANY BILLBOARDS.
ABOUT HALF THE PEOPLE SAID, HEY, IF YOU TAKE DOWN ALL THOSE 300, UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
UH, BUT IF YOU DON'T, A LOT MORE PEOPLE SAID, NO, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD IDEA.
UM, WE HAD SOME SATISFACTION DISSATISFACTION, UH, WITH, UH, DIGITAL BILLBOARDS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT TOLD US TOO MUCH.
UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, HISTORIC CORRIDORS, UH, SHOULD BE PROTECTED.
SO NOT, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE FUN WITH THAT FIRST SURVEY, WE THOUGHT, WELL, THERE'S SOME SUPPLEMENTAL QUESTIONS THAT WE WANTED TO ASK.
SO WE SHOT OUT A FEW MORE QUESTIONS, UH, BECAUSE THROUGHOUT OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP AND SOME OF THE COMMUNITY WAS THE KEY ASPECTS OF THIS PROPOSAL.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WAS THIS PROPOSED RATIO, NOT ONLY THE JUNIOR BILLBOARDS THAT COME DOWN, UH, WITH THIS, UH, CODE CHANGE PROPOSAL, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS FOUR TO ONE RATIO? MEANING, YOU KNOW, IN THE CURRENT CODE WE HAVE, THE NON-DIGITAL IS, IF YOU WANNA PUT UP A NEW BILLBOARD, YOU HAVE TO TAKE DOWN TWO TO ONE, TAKE DOWN TWO TO GET YOU ONE 10.
11 YEARS AGO, IT WAS, IF YOU WANT TO PUT A DIGITAL FACE, YOU HAD TO TAKE DOWN THREE TO ONE.
WELL, TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR TO ONE.
SO WE WANTED TO KNOW, IS THAT ENOUGH? IS IT TOO MUCH? NOT, NOT, UH, YOU WANNA HIRE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE THAT RESPONDED, UM, YOU LOOK AT 57% THOUGHT FOUR TO ONE, OR EVEN LESS, TWO TO ONE, OR THREE TO ONE, UH, IF YOU ADD THOSE, SO 57% THOUGHT WE WERE JUST ABOUT RIGHT, FOUR TO ONE OR LESS.
UH, BUT ABOUT A QUARTER, 23% THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE HIGHER.
SO WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA PLEASE EVERYBODY ON THE STATE DOWN RATIO, BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THINK WE'RE AT ABOUT THE RIGHT NUMBER OR IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GO WITH A TAKE DOWN RATIO.
THE LAST QUESTION THAT WE, UH, THAT CAME UP IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE SURVEY GROUP, HAD TO DO WITH THE EXISTING TWO TO ONE, UH, RATIO THAT'S IN THE CODE.
SHOULD WE EVEN HAVE THAT? SHOULD WE EVEN ALLOW ANYBODY TO PUT UP A NEW BILLBOARD AND, AND ENTICE THEM BY TAKING DOWN TWO 90% OF THE PEOPLE SAID YES.
KEEP THAT, KEEP THAT IN THERE.
UM, UH, 'CAUSE WE WANT THAT DI DIGITAL, UH, WE WANT THAT BILLBOARD INVENTORY TO KEEP GOING DOWN.
LAST COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE QUESTION ON, UH, INNER CITY.
IF, IF, IF WE REMOVE ALL THOSE INNER CITY, UH, BILLBOARDS, WILL THAT, UH, WILL THAT AFFECT SMALL BUSINESSES AND NON-PROFITS? WILL THEY BE IMPACTED? SOME DISCUSSION HAPPEN THERE.
UH, 63% OR TWO THIRDS SAID, UH, NO.
ABOUT A THIRD SAID YES IT WILL.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE LAST QUESTION IS, IF WE ISSUE ANY MORE DIGITAL FACES, DIGITAL BILLBOARD PERMITS, SHOULD WE HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON THEM? SHOULD WE GIVE THAT PERMIT FOR FIVE OR 10 OR 15? WE CALL THAT KIND OF A SUNSET CLAUSE.
UH, SO SHOULD, SHOULD THERE BE A TERM LIMIT? UH, OVER HALF OF THE PEOPLE SAID NO.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE 5, 10, 15 TO 25 YEARS, ABOUT 43% OF THE PEOPLE SAID MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE.
SO THAT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE SAID, YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT.
THAT HAD A LOT OF, UH, CONVERSATION IN THE GROUP.
OKAY? AND I HAVE SOME MORE DEMOGRAPHIC DEMOGRAPHICS FROM THAT SECOND, BUT VERY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS, UH, THAT WERE, UH, THE MOST ENGAGED ON, ON THE ONLINE SURVEY.
SO, UH, I DIDN'T MENTION, BUT THE SECOND SURVEY ONLY HAD 99 RESPONSES.
UH, IT WAS ON FOR A SHORTER DURATION.
UH, JUST DIDN'T GET AS MANY HITS.
SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT'S JUST UNDER A HUNDRED PEOPLE.
BUT AGAIN, UH, 90% FELT THAT WE SHOULD KEEP THE TWO FOR ONE TAKE DOWN RATIO IN THE CODE.
AND, UH, THAT, THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS GONNA AFFECT THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT MUCH IF WE TAKE DOWN THOSE JUNIORS.
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ALRIGHT, SO THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.IS THIS A GOOD DEAL FOR, UH, THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED? AND OF COURSE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, NOT EVERYBODY, UH, IS HAPPY WITH EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT HERE.
A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSED, SOME KEY ITEMS WE ALREADY TOUCHED UPON IT IS FOUR TO ONE TAKE DOWN ENOUGH.
WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO TO ONE.
SOME JURISDICTIONS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, HAVE USED HIGHER.
ONES, SIX TO ONE, SEVEN TO ONE, EIGHT TO ONES.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.
SO WE, THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE KIND OF HASHED AROUND ALL THAT.
THE NOT ALL BILLBOARD OPERATORS CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS CHANGE IF WE CHANGE THE CODE.
IN THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL, THERE ARE ONLY TWO BILLBOARD OPERATORS IN TOWN THAT CURRENTLY HAVE INVENTORY.
OF THE 13 CLEAR CHANNEL HAS 12 OF THEM.
LAMAR IS THE OTHER COMPANY THAT HAS ONE DIGITAL, THERE ARE A FEW OTHER DIGITAL BILLBOARD COMPANIES, I'M SORRY, BILLBOARD COMPANIES IN TOWN.
BUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ONE OF THE EXISTING, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THIS.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ADD ONE TO AN EXISTING FACE.
WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADD ONE TO ANOTHER EXISTING LOCATION.
SO A 14TH, THE 15TH, THE 16TH LOCATION.
SO SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION CAME UP, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE QUICKLY.
NOW, THE SAFETY OF DIGITAL BILLBOARDS, THAT CAME UP SEVERAL TIMES.
SO ARE THESE THINGS SAFE? AND I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE LOOKED AT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A DOZEN OF THESE REPORTS NATIONALLY, INTERNATIONALLY.
UM, THERE'S NO CONCLUSIVE REPORT.
THERE'S ONE FROM THE HIGHWAY FEDERAL HIGHWAY SYSTEM THAT SAYS THEY'RE PRETTY SAFE.
AND THEN THERE'S COUNTER ONES THAT SAY, NO, ANY DISTRACTION WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING IS, IS UNSAFE.
THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE, ACTUALLY.
SO THERE'S A LOT THAT SAY THAT.
UH, BUT A LOT OF THOSE CONTRIBUTE TO EITHER MAYBE YOUR CELL PHONE THESE DAYS, NOT ANY OF US.
I KNOW WE DON'T TEXT AND DRIVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT MAYBE EATING A HAMBURGER WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AT 75 MILES AN HOUR, THAT COULD BE A DISTRACTION AS WELL.
BUT THERE'S NO REAL ONE CONCLUSIVE REPORT THAT SAYS THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAFE OR NOT SAFE.
UM, BUT I THINK INTUITIVELY WE SEE THESE UP AROUND, THEY'VE BEEN UP FOR 10 YEARS, RIGHT? UH, IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, I DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY EITHER AS A CODE OFFICIAL, IT'S JUST AS A DRIVER.
I DON'T FEEL THAT THEY'RE, UH, INTRINSICALLY UNSAFE.
UH, AND I THINK, UM, WE'RE OKAY IF WE ADD SOME MORE.
SO THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, THERE WERE A FEW ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS THAT WERE PUT ON THE TABLE.
NONE OF THESE RECEIVED A REAL GREAT CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS MAYBE IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
BUT, SO ONE OF THE SMALLER, UH, COMPANIES, UH, CALLED, UH, BURKE MEDIA, UH, CAME TO US, UH, AS PART OF THE PROCESS AND WAS VERY OPEN TO THE GROUP AND SAID, GEEZ, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REAL SMALL.
WE DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT THIS WOULD REALLY ONLY HELP EITHER CLEAR CHANNEL OR LAMAR, OR BOTH.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ONE DIGITAL BILLBOARD, UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, WE ONLY HAVE ENOUGH INVENTORY TO GIVE UP MAYBE A TWO FOR ONE.
UH, SO THAT WAS ONE, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW A SMALL, UH, SMALLER COMPANY TO GET INTO THE DIGITAL BILLBOARD MARKET.
THAT WAS THEIR, UH, I'M KIND OF PARAPHRASING THEIR PROPOSAL.
UH, THE NEXT ONE CAME FROM LAMAR ITSELF.
SO LAMAR HAD ONE, ONE EXISTING DIGITAL ITSELF.
THEY'RE OFF OF 2 81, ALMOST CLOSE TO UH, OH FOUR.
UH, BUT WHAT THEY SAID WAS, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT SECOND FACE ON A DIFFERENT LOCATION, AN EXISTING ANOTHER, A 14TH LOCATION.
UH, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A HARDSHIP.
THEY FELT THAT, UH, ONE SIDE OF THEIR EXISTING, UH, BILLBOARD IS KIND OF BLOCKED BY SOME C P S LINES AND ALL THAT CONSTRUCTION ON 2 81.
UH, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR PROPOSALS.
UH, THEIR, THEIR REAL PROPOSAL ON THIS.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE CAME FROM OUT FRONT MEDIA AND, UH, THEIR PROPOSAL WAS TO, HEY, CAN WE REOPEN THE 2007 ORDINANCE? YOU REMEMBER THOSE TWO, UH, AUTHORIZED PERMITS THAT DIDN'T GET TAKEN OUT.
UH, THEY THOUGHT THE IDEA WAS, HEY, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPEN THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL UP, UH, AND ALLOW THOSE, UH, LEFTOVER FROM THAT TWO, 2007, 2008 PILOT, AND WITH A SIMILAR FOUR TO ONE TAKEDOWN RATIO.
OKAY? UH, SO THOSE WERE ALL DISCUSSED.
UH, AGAIN, UH, AT SEVERAL OF THE MEETINGS, A LOT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS FELT THE, THE PEOPLE, UH, ESPECIALLY THE, THE, UM, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND THE GROUPS THAT CAME TO THE TABLE SAID THEY, THEY FELT THAT WAS A VERY DIFFERENT PROPOSAL THAN THE ONE, UH, THAT WE STARTED WITH.
SO, UH, THOSE WERE, UH, KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION, AND I'M HERE TO JUST SAY THAT, UH, OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT, AFTER GOING THROUGH SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS OF DISCUSSION, UM, UH, WE, WE RECOMMEND WE APPROVE, UH, THE, THE COMMITTEE'S APPROVAL TO PROCEED TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, WITH THE CHAPTER 28 SIGN CODE CHANGES AS PROPOSED BY CLEAR CHANNEL.
WE, WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE ALMOST 300, UH, BILLBOARDS BEING TAKEN DOWN, MANY WOULD BE TAKEN DOWN INTO THE PROTECTED QUARTERS, BUT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TAKING DOWN 25% OF THE EXISTING INVENTORY WITH THIS ONE CODE CHANGE.
SO WE THINK THAT'S VERY WORTHY OF MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK THAT'S THE SPIRIT AND THE INTENT OF THE SIGN CODE IS TO CONTINUE TO REDUCE THAT BILLBOARD INVENTORY THROUGHOUT TIME.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING, UH, FOR YOUR DIRECTION ON DISCUSSION OF, OF THE ADDITIONAL BILLBOARD, UH, THOSE OTHER
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COMPANIES THAT WANNA LOOK AT ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS BEYOND THE EXISTING 13.UH, I BELIEVE THEY ACTUALLY SHOULD BE PART OF THE NEXT YEAR'S 2020 SIGN CODE UPDATE PROCESS.
THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
UH, CERTAINLY IF WE DO GO DOWN THAT PATH, CLEAR CHANNEL AND LAMAR WHO HAVE SOME OF THE EXISTING 13 WOULD WOULD LIKELY PARTICIPATE WITH ADDITIONAL LO UH, ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION TO BE HAD THERE, UH, IN TERMS OF TAKE DOWN RATIOS AND, UH, AND, AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY ON.
SO, UH, THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, AND A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING, BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST, UH, COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, MIKE, LET'S HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.
UM, I THINK, IS THIS WALTER SERNA OUT? THIS IS.
UH, WALTER, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, BALTAZAR CERNA 1 26 VITA, UH, FOR THE RECORD.
AND I REPRESENT OUTDOOR, OUR OUT FRONT MEDIA.
UM, WE ARE HERE TO ASK THE, UH, COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER OUR UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL.
AND I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS A UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL, JUST LIKE CLEAR CHANNEL CAME TO YOU AND SAID, WE'VE GOT AN IDEA ON HOW WE, HOW WE CAN TAKE DOWN BILLBOARDS, AND YOU CAN ISSUE 12 NEW PERMITS WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AS YOU'RE DOING FOR CLEAR CHANNEL TO REOPEN OR, UH, CONSIDER ISSUING THE ORIGINAL PERMIT THAT WE HAD ACCESS TO BACK IN 2007.
JUST REAL QUICKLY ON THE HISTORY, I THINK, UH, MIKE'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF GIVING YOU THE HISTORY, BUT THIS, THIS DOES GO BACK ALL THE WAY TO 2007, UH, UH, CBS SLASH OUT.
UH, FRONT MEDIA BACK IN 2007, UH, WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL COMPANIES THAT WAS AWARDED A PERMIT.
UH, THERE WERE 15, UH, ISSUED, UH, CLEAR CHANNEL TOOK, UH, 12, UH, LAMAR TOOK, UH, ONE, WE WERE POISED TO TAKE ONE, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER COMPANY THAT POISED TO TAKE ONE.
BUT BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL, BECAUSE OF OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION BACK IN T 2007, IT WASN'T VIABLE TO DO IT AT THAT TIME.
UH, SINCE YOU'RE MODIFYING THIS SPECIFIC PROVISION OF THE CODE, UH, WITH AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BRING ONE FORWARD.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU TO DO IS TO CONSIDER ALLOWING US TO REACTIVATE THAT PERMIT, UH, THAT WE, UH, WERE NOT ABLE TO DO WITHIN THE ONE YEAR PROVISION UNDER THE EXISTING CODE, AND ALLOW US TO GO AND TAKE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, NOT A NEW STRUCTURE, BUT AN EXISTING STATIC STRUCTURE, AND ALLOW US TO DO TWO, UH, UH, DIGITAL, UH, FACES.
UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE IDEAS OF WHERE WE WOULD PUT IT.
WE WOULD, UH, PARTAKE IN THE TAKE DOWN OF THOSE, UH, UH, BULLETIN BOARDS.
AND WHEN I SAY BULLETIN BOARDS, THIS IS 672 SQUARE FEET.
UH, IT, IT'S THE BIG BILLBOARDS.
UH, UH, FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, UH, PLAY IN THE JUNIOR BILLBOARD MARKET.
SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MATCH EXACTLY WHAT CLEAR CHANNEL IS DOING.
UH, WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, 82 TOTAL IN THE METRO AREA OF THE BULLETIN BOARDS, UH, 69 IN THE CITY.
WE'RE WILLING TO DO THE FOUR TO ONE, UH, TAKE DOWN RATIO OF THE BIG BULLETIN BOARDS AND MATCH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WHAT CLEAR CHANNEL IS DOING.
WE JUST WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO REACTIVATE THAT PERMIT.
IT'S ONE ADDITIONAL EXISTING STRUCTURE, IS ALL IT IS.
UM, AND, AND, UH, WE'D ASK, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THAT WE, WE BELIEVE, UH, FOR, UH, FOR SAN ANTONIO, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE COMPETITION.
IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH JUST A CLEAR CHANNEL PROPOSAL, THEY WILL HAVE 24 DIGITAL BILLBOARDS IN THE MARKET.
NOW, OUR FACES, UH, AND SO WE ENCOURAGE A COMPETITION.
WE'D LOVE TO BE IN THAT SPACE AND WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND WE'D ASK THAT YOU DIRECT STAFF TO NEGOTIATE WITH US, UH, AND AS TO THE LOCATIONS WE WOULD BE TAKING DOWN AND WHERE THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE WOULD BE TURNED INTO A DIGITAL BILLBOARD.
AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CERNA.
UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN.
MY COMMENTS WILL BE VERY BRIEF BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UH, THEY'RE GONNA START WITH JUST A THANK YOU TO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE AND ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR HAVING, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS FORWARD.
UM, THIS PROJECT WAS BORN OF A DESIRE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS IN SAN ANTONIO.
THE CHALLENGE WAS REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT DON'T BUILD ANY NEW DIGITAL STRUCTURES.
AND THAT'S HOW WE PUT THIS DEAL TOGETHER.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT BEHIND THE SCENES FOR MORE THAN A YEAR.
AND OF COURSE, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE'VE MET THROUGH ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE'VE MADE SURE WE WERE IN ATTENDANCE, ALL THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE ARE ANY, WERE QUESTIONS PUTTING FORWARD.
AND KNOW THAT BACK IN 2007, ROUGHLY 75 BILLBOARD STRUCTURES WERE
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REMOVED TO PUT OUR DIGITAL FACES UP IN THIS PROJECT, MORE THAN 300 BILLBOARD STRUCTURES ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED TO SIMPLY APPLY THE BACKSIDE TO THOSE SAME STRUCTURES.UH, AND THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY NEW DIGITAL STRUCTURES, WHICH WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, REQUEST.
SO THIS IS A LARGE ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR MY COMPANY.
OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE TAKING ON MAKING SURE THAT ALL THESE STRUCTURES COME DOWN WITH THE REVENUE THAT'S ON THOSE STRUCTURES AS WELL.
UH, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS TO REVIEW THIS AND HOPEFULLY MOVE IT FORWARD THROUGH CITY COUNCIL.
I REPRESENTED CLERK AND COUNTY OUTDOOR.
UH, I THINK I'VE, WE'VE MET WITH ALL OF Y'ALL AND DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE BEFORE, BUT I JUST WANNA POINT OUT ONE KEY ISSUE IN THIS.
THIS IS, UH, FROM THE DAY WE STARTED THIS PROPOSAL OVER A YEAR AGO AND NEGOTIATED WITH STAFF.
WE WERE TALKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOUR TO ONE, TAKE DOWN THREE TO ONE AND TAKE DOWN RATIO REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT WE FINALLY NEGOTIATED WITH STAFF IS MORE LIKE AN EIGHT TO ONE REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FOUR STRUCTURES WE'VE AGREED TO TAKE DOWN.
YOU HAVE THE SIGN THAT'S ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE DIGITS COMING DOWN, PLUS ALL THE JUNIOR POSTERS.
AND SO THE EQUIVALENT IF IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH SIGNAGE IS COMING DOWN, IS ABOUT AN EIGHT TO ONE RATIO.
AND, UH, WE THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY.
I THINK THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC HAS SPOKEN THAT, THAT THAT KIND OF A 25% REDUCTION IN THE TOTAL SIGNS IN THE CITY WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK, THINK THAT'S WHY I THINK WE HAVE, UH, OVER, YOU KNOW, GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THIS PROPOSAL.
SO LET ME, UM, LET ME JUST START BY ASKING A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, MIKE, I THOUGHT YOU GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I HAVE, SO COULD, COULD YOU GET TO THE SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE JUNIOR VERSUS THE BILLBOARD AND HOW PEOPLE FELT ABOUT THOSE? AND IF YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A JUNIOR VERSUS A BIG ONE.
I, I KNOW YOU, YOU HAD AN EXAMPLE OF THE BIG ONE, BUT ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA NEED SOME HELP FROM AUDIO.
I KNOW THIS IS A NEW VENUE, SO I KNOW, I KNOW THEY GOT ME.
I'M GONNA TRY TO FIND YOU THE, UH, YEAH, UH, THERE WE GO.
I'M GONNA JUST USE THIS ONE FOR A SECOND.
CAN WE PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN? YEAH.
SO I'LL JUST USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE.
AND THEN I, I THINK I HAVE A PICTURE OF, OF AN, OF AN EXISTING ONE.
SO THE ONES THAT YOU SEE ON THE HIGHWAYS ARE THOSE 672.
MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT'S THE ONLY BILLBOARD OUT THERE.
BUT AGAIN, REMEMBER BILLBOARDS ARE JUST ANOTHER TERM FOR OFF-PREMISE ADVERTISING.
THE JUNIOR POSTERS, THIS ONE IN THIS EXAMPLE, UH, IS 55 SQUARE FEET.
ACTUALLY ANYTHING UNDER A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? SO CLEAR CHANNEL OWNS, UH, ABOUT 265 OF THOSE, UH, AROUND TOWN.
WE ACTUALLY KNOW, 'CAUSE WE ACTUALLY DO AN INSPECTION ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE 1,195.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU'LL SEE IN, IN AND AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT'S WHY, UH, IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT MAP, UH, MAYBE I CAN GET THERE A LITTLE BIT.
I'LL TRY TO DRIVE, JUST KEEP GOING BACKWARDS UNTIL, OKAY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, THIS IS I THINK THE MAP OF WHERE A LOT OF THOSE, UH, SMALLER JUNIOR POSTERS ARE.
YOU'LL SEE THEY'RE FOCUSED, UH, INSIDE, UH, LOOP FOUR 10.
UH, I THINK I ACTUALLY, UH, HAD PRESENTED A MAP, UH, PER EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT WHEN WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION BACK IN FEBRUARY.
IT'S BEEN ON OUR WEBSITE BECAUSE WE WANTED THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW WHERE THESE THINGS ARE AT AND WHERE THEY'D BE COMING DOWN.
BUT, BUT CLEARLY MOST OF THEM ARE INSIDE LOOP FOUR 10.
UM, AND UH, AND IS THERE FEEDBACK ON THOSE, WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE LIKED THOSE SIGNS OR HAD ANY FEELINGS ABOUT THEM? WELL, SPECIFICALLY, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL QUESTION OF THE 1200 BILLBOARDS, THERE'S TOO MANY BILLBOARDS.
70% OF THE PEOPLE SAID THAT, UM, THERE MIGHT BE A, OH, I THINK I JUST WENT PAST IT.
UM, LEMME TRY TO FIND THAT AGAIN.
SO IN THIS QUESTION, WE JUST ASKED THE ALMOST A THOUSAND PEOPLE, ARE THERE TOO MANY BILLBOARDS IN TOWN OR IS IT JUST A RIGHT, NOT ENOUGH.
UM, AND 70% OF THE PEOPLE, UH, SAID THERE'S TOO MANY, UH, BILL TOO MANY BILLBOARDS.
UM, SO I INTERPOLATING THAT OR, OR TRYING TO, TRYING TO INTERPRET WHAT THAT IS.
WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OFF-PREMISE AND OFF-PREMISE, BUT WE HAD TO ASSUME THAT, UH, THEY WERE GONNA TELL US, DO YOU THINK THAT WE NEED MORE SIGNS OR LESS SIGNS AND WE THINK THIS, THIS IS WHAT THEY TELL US HERE.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION THOUGH WAS, UM, RELATED TO THE JUNIORS.
I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT PEOPLE, UM, ANSWERED ON THAT ONE WAS, IF WE TAKE DOWN THE JUNIORS, ALL THOSE 265 PLUS A FEW
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40%, NO, 10 NEUTRAL.IF YOU DON'T TAKE THEM DOWN, THEN IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
UH, IT GOES UP TO ABOUT 65%, 63%.
SO PEOPLE WANTED THE JUNIOR SIGNS TAKEN DOWN AS WELL.
THAT'S WHAT WE TAKE FROM THIS, UH, THIS SURVEY.
I SORT OF LIKE THE SMALL ONES.
I FEEL LIKE WE'VE USED THEM AROUND THE COMMUNITY FOR PUBLIC SERVICE.
UM, AND I THOUGHT THEY'D BEEN HELPFUL AND TEND TO BE MORE TARGETED, BUT I'M SPEAKING PERSONALLY.
UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FOUR TO ONE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOUR TO ONE BIG SIGNS OR YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SIGNS ALL OVER? SO THE FOUR TO ONE RATIO WOULD BE THE WAY IT'S ACTUALLY PROPOSED BECAUSE, UH, PART OF THE PROPOSAL IS THEY WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD TAKE DOWN AS ALL OF THEIR JUNIOR POSTERS AND THEN AFTER THAT CLEAR CHANNEL AND LAMAR, 'CAUSE THEY OWN THE ONE, THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO, TO PUT UP ONE SIDE 600 SQUARE FEET, A LITTLE OVER 600 SQUARE FEET OF DIGITAL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN TAKE DOWN 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
UH, ONE OF THOSE HAS TO BE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE BIG ONES IN A PROTECTED CORRIDOR.
SO THEY HAVE TO GO FIND ONE IN A HISTORIC, UH, SCENIC OR URBAN CORRIDOR.
THE REMAINING CAN BE A MULTITUDE OF LARGE ONES OR 300 SQUARE FEET TO GET UP TO THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF BIG AND LIKELY SOME SMALL.
SO NOT NECESSARILY A ONE FOR ONE BIG.
SO I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE THE CASE.
SO I'M LEARNING THIS TODAY THAT IT'S NOT ALL OF THOSE MM-HMM.
UM, SO REGARDING, UM, THE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UM, SIGNS THAT MIL, UH, THAT A WALTER'S REPRESENTING OUT FRONT SIGNS MM-HMM.
IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, UM, I'M SORRY, LET ME SURE.
ASK WALTER A FEW QUESTIONS OR, UM, YES.
SO THE LARGE 62 FEET, SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 6, 7, 7 2 SQUARE FEET.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOUR TO ONE RATIO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING DOWN THOSE LARGE SIGNS, FOUR BIG, BIG SIGNS.
IN EXCHANGE FOR ONE DIGITAL SIGN THAT IS AT, AT AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING ANY NEW ONES.
UH, BUT TAKING DOWN FOUR, FOUR EXISTING STRUCTURES, 600 FEET.
SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, HELPFUL, UH, INFORMATION.
AND SO YOU MENTIONED THAT AT THE TIME, UH, IT WAS NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO USE TO DO THE CHANGE.
UM, AND THERE WAS A TIME LIMITATION OF A YEAR, UM, UH, AND, BUT IT WASN'T FINANCIALLY VIABLE AT THAT TIME.
BUT THE REASON WE STEPPED FORWARD WITH A PROPOSAL BE JUST LIKE CLEAR CHANNEL BROUGHT AN UN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL TO MODIFY THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
SINCE YOU'RE REOPENING THAT PIECE OF THE LANGUAGE, WE'D ASK YOU TO CONSIDER, UH, TAKING OUR PROPOSAL AS WELL AND MODIFYING THAT PORTION OF THE LANGUAGE AS WELL TOO, AND ALLOWING US TO REACTIVATE OUR PERMIT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
UM, SO MIKE, LET ME JUST ASK YOU, UM, I GUESS WHEN, WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US, YOU KNOW, SOME MONTHS BACK, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S BEEN A WHOLE YEAR NOW, I DUNNO, TIME GOES BY.
UM, WAS IT ALWAYS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WERE GONNA BE THE JUNIOR AND THE SMALL ONES AS WELL? 'CAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS MY IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE ONLY TALKING ABOUT LARGE 6,672 FOOT SIGNS.
HAS THIS ALWAYS BEEN IN THE PROPOSAL? CORRECT.
REMEMBER, IT'S ALL OF THE SMALL ONES, SO THERE'S ONLY 2 65 OF THE SMALL ONES IN TOWN.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF THE PROPOSAL.
THE SECOND PART IS FOUR TO ONE MEANING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
NOW THAT'S SIMILAR TO, UH, LIKE THE THREE TO ONE AND, AND WHAT WE, WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE CODE BEFORE, BUT WE ALSO STRUCTURED IT SO THAT AT LEAST ONE LARGE ONE WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AREAS OF TOWN, WHICH THE COMMUNITY KIND OF TELLS US, LET'S PROTECT HISTORIC AND SCENIC AND URBAN CORRIDORS.
SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE MIX, NOT JUST, HEY, IT'S GONNA BE A FOUR TO ONE, SO WE'LL GIVE YOU ONE 600 SQUARE FOOT FACE AND YOU GOTTA TAKE DOWN FOUR, 600 TO GET TO THAT.
SO I, I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER, UM, MEANT TO BE THAT WAY.
I GUESS WE COULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR, BUT, UH, THAT MIX, UH, I THINK IS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN THERE.
WELL, I THINK THAT WAS ALWAYS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ANGST WAS
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THE BIG ONES THAT WERE ON THE HIGHWAYS, NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONES, BECAUSE I DID FEEL LIKE THOSE WERE FAIRLY WELL TARGETED AND GOOD FOR SMALL BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY COULD INFORM PEOPLE OF LOCAL STORES OR SALES.I I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF OPENING IT UP SO THAT, UH, THIS COMPANY CAN COMPETE AS WELL AND WE TAKE DOWN THOSE LARGE SIGNS.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK I KNOW THAT THERE IS A, WHEN IS THIS SCHEDULED TO COME TO THE A SESSION? IT'S NOT, WE WERE HOPING TO GET SOME DIRECTION, SOME DIRECTIONS FROM YOU ALL BECAUSE YEAH.
SO, UM, I DON'T WANNA DELAY, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT, UM, FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS.
AND I KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING A LONG TIME.
UH, I JUST, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE INCLUDE, UH, THIS COMPANY OR THE OTHER ONE AS WELL.
I THINK ANYTHING THAT TAKES DOWN THE SIGNS AND PUTS A DIGITAL ONE UP OR ONE UP, UH, WOULD BE GOOD FOR OUR CITY.
I THINK THAT'S THE FEEDBACK IS THAT PEOPLE WANNA TAKE THOSE SIGNS DOWN, UH, AND THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO DO SO IF IT MEANT THAT THEY GOT ONE DIGITAL.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILWOMAN VRAN.
SO TELL ME WHAT IS THE, THE INVENTORY THAT WE HAVE OF, LET ME JUST ASK, WHAT IS THE INVENTORY THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN SAN ANTONIO OF THE 6 72 SQUARE FEET? UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, I HAVE ANDREW, UH, ANDREW, DO WE HAVE THAT NUMBER? I DIDN'T BRING THAT WITH ME, BUT THOSE ARE FLEW FROM THREE HUNDREDS AS WELL.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE SIX 70 TWOS WITH ME AND I APOLOGIZE.
UH, BUT REMEMBER 2 65 ARE THE JUNIORS.
BUT WE DO HAVE SOME THAT ARE MID-RANGE.
SO YOU HAVE 55 SQUARE FEET, 2 36 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN 6 72 SQUARE FEET AGAIN.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME RANGES IN THERE.
SO WE HAVE SOME DIFFERENT YEAH.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING BY JUST WITH CLEAR CHANNEL'S PROPOSAL ALONE, ALONE, THAT'S 25% OF OUR ENTIRE OFF-PREMISE SIGNAGE THAT WILL COME DOWN.
UM, AND TO BE CLEAR, I KNOW THIS WAS IN A, UH, BACKUP DOCUMENT AND I'M GONNA, UH, SHARE WITH THE CHAIR.
I, UH, I HAVE A LOT OF JUNIOR BILLBOARDS IN MY DISTRICT AND WE, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE DISTRICT WANT THEM TO COME DOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST, UM, IN AND AROUND OUR HISTORIC CORRIDOR, SOUTH PRESA ROOSEVELT, AND THEY JUST ARE THERE RANDOMLY.
SO WE ARE LOOKING, WHEN I WAS FIRST GIVEN THIS PROPOSAL BY CLEAR CHANNEL AND SHOWING ALL OF THE JUNIOR BILLBOARDS THAT WOULD BE COMING DOWN IN OUR DISTRICT, IT WAS VERY EXCITING BECAUSE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS THAT FOR ME, WHAT BILLBOARDS AND SIGNS LIKE THIS DO, UH, WITH ALL RESPECT TO THE, UH, MEDIA COMPANIES, IT GIVES A LOT OF EYE POLLUTION.
AND THAT'S, I, THAT'S OFF AND ON-PREMISE SIGNAGE THAT I REALLY WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD WORK TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THE WORK THAT WE DID ON THE OTHER, UM, AT THE OTHER, UH, TIME WE LOOKED AT THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE LOOKING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CORRIDORS AND THESE URBAN CORRIDORS THAT WE HAVE AND OUR SCENIC LOOP CORRIDORS.
SO YES, I'M IN, IN FAVOR OF LOOKING WHAT WE CAN DO TO, UM, MINIMIZE HOW MANY LARGE BILLBOARDS, LARGE BILLBOARDS, BUT ALL RANGE OF BILLBOARDS, UM, OFF-PREMISE SIGNS THAT WE HAVE IN, UH, THE CITY.
UM, I THINK THIS QUESTION IS FRANK, IF YOU COULD COME UP HERE AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, TO THAT POINT, FRANK COME UP HERE, BUT MIKE, FIRST OFF IS BEFORE ANY OF THESE DIGITAL SIGNS GO UP, THE OTHER, UM, JUNIORS AND OTHER POSTERS AND BILLBOARDS WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THEY WOULD NEED 18 MONTHS TO TAKE DOWN, UH, THE 265.
UH, THEY HAVE NEGOTIATED LEASES AND MAYBE I'LL LET FRANK TALK ABOUT THOSE.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, UH, MECHANICALLY HOW IT WOULD WORK.
THEY WOULD APPLY FOR A PERMIT, IDENTIFY WHICH ONES, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE TALKED TO 18 MONTHS.
IF IT NEEDED TO BE QUICKER, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
UM, SO, BUT BEFORE THEY PUT UP THE BACKSIDE OF ANOTHER EXISTING DIGITAL BILLBOARD, THEY WOULD ALREADY HAVE TO START THE PRO, THEY WOULD ALREADY HAVE TO START BRINGING DOWN THE OTHER BILLBOARDS.
WE, WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN THAT PIECE OF IT THOUGH.
BUT IF, IF, IF WE WANT, I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE BACKUP INFORMATION HERE.
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YES.THOSE FOUR SIGNS WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN BEFORE WE PUT UP ONE DIGITAL ON THE BACKSIDE FACE.
THE OTHER ONE IS A LONGER TERM PROJECT.
WE THINK IT'LL TAKE 18 MONTHS.
WE'LL TRY TO DO AS QUICK AS WE CAN, BUT WE'LL GET STARTED ON THAT RIGHT AWAY.
UH, THAT, AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION TO YOU SPECIFICALLY, WAS HOW FAST COULD YOU START THIS ROLLOUT? I, I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED.
ONCE THE COUNCIL GIVES THE APPROVAL, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT SOME OF THOSE SIGNS ARE ON EXISTING LEASES.
AND WE HAVE TO WET THOSE LEASES MATURE.
YOU JUST CAN'T TERMINATE THE LEASES IN THE MIDDLE OF 'EM.
BUT I THINK THE LONGEST LEASE IS 12 MONTHS, MAYBE 12 MONTHS ROUGHLY.
AND SO SOME OF THOSE LEASES, SOME OF THOSE SMALLER STRUCTURES MAY STAY UP FOR A WHILE BECAUSE MM-HMM.
BUT AS SOON AS THAT LEASE IS OVER, WE'LL PULL IT OUT.
AND SO WHERE WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE, IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO AN A SESSION BY NEXT MONTH? UM, WHERE, WHEN WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE A FULL CONVERSION OF THE DIGITAL TO THE IT'S GONNA TAKE, IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME.
'CAUSE WE FIRST HAVE TO WORK WITH STAFF SURE.
IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING THE STRUCTURES TO BE TORN DOWN.
THEY, THAT THEY SIGN OFF ON THAT.
UH, AND THEN WE START THAT PROCESS, THEY START COMING DOWN MAYBE WITHIN SIX MONTHS, BALLPARK.
SO, SO THERE'S A, A 90 DAY TXDOT PERMITTING PROCESS.
AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT WITHIN THAT 90 DAYS, WE WILL BE COMPLETED WITH THAT FOUR TO ONE TAKE DOWN.
SO THE NOT PUTTING ANYTHING ON THE NEW DIGITAL FACES UNTIL THE FOUR TO ONE IS TAKEN DOWN.
SO I, UM, WELL, THANK YOU BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S EVIDENT THAT YOU ALREADY ALL HAVE A PLAN READY TO GO AND, UH, READY TO WORK ON IT.
SO THANK YOU, FRANK, FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, AND SO I THINK PART OF MY QUESTION WOULD THEN BE, IF IT'S ALREADY AN 18 MONTH, YOU, UH, CLEAR CHANNEL WHO DID HAVE THE UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL TO US, HAS THESE PERMITS, KNOWS THE IDENTIFICATION, AND IS LOOKING FOR, UM, THE LOCATION TO MOVE FORWARD ALREADY.
UM, I THINK THAT I, I APPRECIATE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND I'M, UH, I'M PRETTY MUCH IN, IN STEP WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE, SIMPLY BECAUSE, UM, AND I'M GLAD THAT OUT FRONT MEDIA IS COMING AND ASKING FOR AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL.
UM, BUT WITH ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU ALL WOULD STILL BE DOING, I THINK IT COULD POSSIBLY DELAY IF WE PUSH IT EVEN FURTHER BACK TO A COUNCIL VOTE ON THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE HERE READY IN FRONT OF US TO GO WITH CLEAR CHANNEL TO START THE PROCESS OF TAKING DOWN BILLBOARDS.
SO IF WE KNOW THAT IT'S AN EIGHT 90 DAY FOR T DOT, IF IT'S A 18 MONTH CONVERSION, EVEN IF IT'S WITH LESS BILLBOARDS, YOU STILL HAVE TIME, UH, PERMITTING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, THAT IT WOULD BE DELAYED.
UM, IT WOULD DELAY THE CURRENT PROPOSAL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO START SEEING SIGNS COMING DOWN IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND PLUS, UM, UH, 2020 IS, UM, HOW MANY MONTHS AWAY AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF OUR, UH, U D C ORDINANCE.
AND I THINK BECAUSE OF WHAT LAMAR IS ALSO THEN REQUESTING SAYING, WELL, WHAT ABOUT OUR BACKSIDE OF THIS OTHER BILLBOARD? IT BRINGS IN A LOT OF NUANCED CONVERSATIONS THAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT WORKED OUT AT A U D C.
UM, BUT THAT IS MY OPINION HERE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT AND STARTING TO TAKE DOWN BILLBOARDS NOW, UH, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR NOW.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, BRINGING THE BILLBOARDS DOWN AND GOING, UH, UH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE STAFF HAS MADE AS FAR AS CLEAR CHANNEL.
AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, IF WE PUT UP 12 ADDITIONAL DIGITAL, WE'LL BE TAKING DOWN 48 FACES OF THE SAME SIZE, BASICALLY THE 672 SQUARE FOOT, RIGHT? WELL, NO, IT'S NOT THE SAME SIZE.
REMEMBER, IT'S A MIXTURE OF THE FOUR TO ONES.
SO WE TAKE THE JUNIOR POSTERS AWAY.
AND THEN UNDERST, WE START LOOKING AT FOUR TO ONE.
SO FOR EVERY FACE THAT'S 672 SQUARE FEET THAT GETS CONVERTED TO DIGITAL, THEY HAVE TO TAKE DOWN 2,500.
NOW, AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE HAS TO BE A LARGE STRUCTURE, NOT JUST A FACE, BUT A STRUCTURE WITHIN ONE OF THE PROTECTED CORRIDORS.
SO THE REMAINING MAY BE BIG OR MAYBE KIND OF THAT MODERATE.
SO THERE SOME 300 OR 4, 300, 400 TAKE DOWN AS A, AS AS ONE OF THE FACES.
BUT BASICALLY THEY'RE GONNA TAKE DOWN 48 FACES
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PLUS THE JUNE THE JUNIOR BILLBOARDS CORRECT.THE 265 PLUS ANOTHER APPROXIMATE 40, UH, STRUCTURES WILL COME DOWN BASED ON THIS.
AND I WAS INTRIGUED TO HEAR THAT THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE DOWN SOME MORE MM-HMM.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY JUNIORS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
LAMAR DOESN'T HAVE ANY JUNIOR COACHES.
AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOT SO MUCH THE NUMBER OF FACES.
WE JUST WANNA REPLACE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR ELIMINATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IT EVENTUALLY EQUATES TO FACES, WHICH EQUATES TO STRUCTURES.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE TYPICAL TERMINOLOGY WE, WE'VE USED.
UH, AND THEN I KNOW THAT THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS PROPOSED TODAY, I THINK THAT, THAT MAY BE WORTHY.
'CAUSE THEY WANNA PUT UP PROBABLY ONE SIGN WITH TWO FACES ON IT OF DIGITAL.
AND AT FOUR TO ONE, THEY'D BE TAKING DOWN EIGHT OTHER FACES TO, UH, MATCH WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH, UH, CLEAR CHANNEL.
AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT PROPOSAL IS.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ELIMINATING 48 AND EIGHT MORES ANOTHER 56, UH, IN ORDER TO PUT UP 12, 13, 14 DIGITAL SIGNS PLUS THE 265 OTHER ONES.
UH, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT DIRECTION WE'D LIKE TO GO IN.
UH, I JUST CAME BACK FROM DRIVING UP IN CANADA.
I MEAN, THEY VERY FEW UNTIL YOU GET RIGHT INTO THE HEART OF THE CITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, THAT'S THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UNLIKE MY COLLEAGUE, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ALL PUT TOGETHER AND BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL.
AND I'M WONDERING, DO YOU THINK YOU COULD PUT ALL OF THIS TOGETHER? UH, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS, AND IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T LIKE ONE, ONE PART OF THAT OR ANOTHER, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE MIGHT NOT GO TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE WHOLE THING.
BUT IF WE'VE GOT A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT ALL THREE, THE, UH, THE OUTDOOR, THE LAMAR AND, UH, CLEAR CHANNEL ARE ALL WITHIN THE BALLPARK OF WHAT WE'D LIKE, COULDN'T YOU PUT 'EM ALL TOGETHER TO BRING TO THE COUNCIL AT ONE TIME? WE CAN MOVE THEM ALL AT ONCE.
AND THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE THE, THE FEEDBACK AND THE DIRECTION FROM, FROM YOU.
BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THEY'RE ALL GOOD PROPOSALS TO TAKE DOWN AS MANY BILLBOARDS.
THAT'S WHAT THE CODE WANTS, THAT INVENTORY TO KEEP COMING DOWN.
I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF THAT MYSELF.
AND, UH, SO IF, IF, IF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE US TO PACKAGE IT ALL UP AND BRING IT TO COUNCIL FAIRLY QUICKLY, UH, WE COULD WORK VERY QUICKLY WITH, UH, THE COMMITTEE.
UH, MANY OF THEM ARE HERE TODAY LISTENING TO WHAT YOU ALL SAY, AND WE COULD CRAFT THAT LANGUAGE, UM, OR WE CAN, UH, COME WITH ONE PART OF THE PROPOSAL NOW AND, UH, CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION MOVING FORWARD.
SO WHICHEVER, WHATEVER YOU SO CHOOSE, WE CAN, UH, WE CAN BRING THAT TO, UH, TO COUNCIL.
JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION ON HERE.
UM, YOU ASKED PEOPLE ABOUT TERM LIMITS FOR THE DIGITAL, UM, FIVE YEARS TO NO LIMITS.
IS, IS THERE A WAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, SEE IT TERM LIMITS ON THESE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT FIVE YEARS, MAYBE NOT EVEN.
I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN ANOTHER 10 YEARS, AT LEAST 12 YEARS.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THIS AGAIN.
MAYBE LOOK AT A SUNSET CLAUSE.
IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW, LET'S LOOK AT IN, IN THE U D C TO MAKE IT A PART OF THAT.
BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO BE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS EITHER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO VISIT, OR THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE US TO VISIT.
UM, MICHAEL, SO YOU, UH, IT WAS EXPRESSED THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF A DELAY IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL DIGITAL IS WHAT KIND OF A DELAY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, THAT REALLY DEPENDS, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE EASY ANSWER.
THAT DOESN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING, OF COURSE.
RIGHT? UM, WELL, NO, I THINK WE HAVE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.
UH, IF WE CONTINUE TO GO DOWN EACH OF THE ADDITIONAL THREE PROPOSALS OR POSSIBLY MORE, UH, IT COULD TAKE MONTHS OR LONGER TO GET TO SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS IF, IF ANY.
UH, THAT'S WHY MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT WAS, HEY, WE THINK WE HAVE TOO MANY BILLBOARDS.
WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET STARTED TAKING DOWN THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
I AM DEFINITELY PROPOSING THAT WE CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S WORTHY.
AND SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS, I THINK, SEE THAT AS WELL.
UH, BUT I JUST, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT I THINK IT WILL AT LEAST TAKE MONTHS.
UH, HOWEVER, IF I GET CLEAR DIRECTION TODAY FROM, FROM THIS GROUP TO SAY, LOOK, I WANT TO ADD EITHER THE, THE, THE TWO EXTRA PERMITS FROM OH SEVEN, AND I WANT IT TO SAY FOR THOSE TO BE, YOU KNOW, FOUR TO ONE, I'M JUST KINDA MAKING IT UP AND WHAT I'M HEARING.
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AND IF YOU GAVE ME THAT, WELL, WE CAN CRAFT THAT AND BRING IT TO THE FULL COUNCIL.THAT WOULD BE JUST FOLLOWING YOUR INSTRUCTIONS.
BUT I THINK TO TAKE IT BACK OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO DO MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON SPECIFIC NUANCES THAT, THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT, IT'S GONNA TAKE MONTHS AT LEAST.
SO, UM, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT DELAY IS, UH, YEAH, I GUESS I, WE TO KEEP IT MARRIED.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT VERY CLEAR ON THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE, I MEAN, LIKE, YOU COULD DO JUST THAT.
WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL AND EVEN ON COUNCIL.
IT, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MORE DISCUSSION WHETHER TO ADOPT IT, UH, AS YOU'RE PRESENTING TODAY OR WITH THE, THE ADDITIONAL, UM, BILLBOARDS THAT WOULD BE COMING DOWN.
UH, IT, SO I, I GUESS CHAIR, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I THINK THAT THERE'S A, A REAL BENEFIT TO, TO KEEPING IT ALL TOGETHER AND, AND HAVING SOME OF THOSE EXTRA BILLBOARDS COMING DOWN, ADDING THIS PIECE.
IT GOES IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS PRESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, SO I MEAN, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
SO FOR ME, IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH DISTRICT TWO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THE HISTORICAL AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED BY BILLBOARDS.
UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF ACTUALLY, UM, BRINGING BACK THAT 2007, UM, WHERE WE HAD OUT FRONT THAT WASN'T FINANCIALLY IN PLACE FOR THAT.
AND THE MORE THAT WE HAVE OF THE BILLBOARDS COMING DOWN WITH THE ONE RATIO OF THE BILLBOARD GOING UP, IT DOES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
UM, SO I STAND IN FULL SUPPORT OF HOW IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.
UM, I'M ALSO WONDERING AS FAR AS WE GO ALONG WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING THE LIMITS, UM, WHAT WE CAN LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING, TO KEEP UP WITH THE CHANGING FORM OF TECHNOLOGY AND HAVE THE COMPANIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO HAVE THESE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS CONTINUOUSLY KEEPING UP WITH THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED.
SO EVEN, THEY'RE NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR, BUT I, I THINK, CAN YOU INCLUDE, UH, OUTSIDE, OUT FRONT IN THE PROPOSAL AND INCLUDE THE LAMAR IN THE PROPOSAL WITHOUT DELAYING AND BRING IT TO THE FULL COUNCIL IN A MONTH? I'LL TRY.
BUT YEAH, LET ME, LEMME TRY TO TAKE A STAB.
WE, WE, WE CAN BRING YOU, UH, A, A PACKAGE DEAL.
UH, HOWEVER, WITH THE CLEAR CHANNEL PROPOSAL, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING THIS THROUGH.
AND, AND WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT BRINGING THAT ONE FORWARD TO YOU AND SAYING, YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY RECOMMEND THE PROOF OF THAT.
THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
UH, WITH CLEAR CHANNEL, YOU'RE GETTING THE EQUIVALENT OF ALMOST EIGHT TO ONE WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE JUNIOR POSTERS THAT THEY'RE TAKING DOWN ON THESE OTHER GROUPS.
IT'S TRULY JUST A FOUR TO ONE, YOU KNOW? IS THAT FAIR? DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? OR, OR SHOULD WE GO BACK OUT TO THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP AND REVISIT THAT? YOU KNOW, SOMEONE DOES NOT HAVE A DIGITAL BILLBOARD, BUT THEY WANT TO GET INTO THE GAME.
WHAT IS A FAIR TAKEDOWN FOR THOSE FOLKS? THAT WE, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A GOOD, ROBUST DISCUSSION ON THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SUGGESTING.
WE COME FORWARD WITH WHAT CLEAR CHANNEL'S PROPOSING.
UH, WE, WE THINK IT'S, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
THERE'S A LOT OF MERIT AND VALUE TO HAVING THE OTHER DISCUSSION, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH OUR, OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND WORK THAT OUT, AND THEN BRING THAT TO COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT'S THEY'RE PREPARED TO DO.
THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE A PROPOSAL.
IT HAS NOT BEEN FULLY VETTED WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE'RE STAYING.
WE'D LIKE SOME TIME TO VET IT WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
WE HAVE SOME MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE HERE.
SO LET ME, UM, I THINK VINNO, UH, DID YOU HAVE A, YEAH, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, WALTERS DO YOU, YOU HAVE SOME, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD? LEMME GRAB THAT FOR YOU.
UH, I WILL TELL YOU, UH, CHAIRMAN AND COUN UH, COUNCIL, UH, OUR PROPOSAL WAS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.
IT WAS VETTED, IF YOU SAW, IN, IN MR. SHANNON'S, UH, A SURVEY AND PROPOSAL, THEY TALKED ABOUT OTHER COMPANIES.
SO WE DID HAVE ROUND TABLE DISCUSSIONS.
WE WERE THERE, THERE WERE OTHER GROUPS THERE.
UH, THEY KNEW THAT WE WERE, WE WERE GOING DOWN THIS AVENUE.
SO IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT STAFF'S HEARD IT.
AND SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, UH, I UNDERSTAND CLEAR CHANNEL'S, HAD A YEAR TO WORK ON THIS.
UH, WE WERE BROUGHT INTO THE GAME MIDWAY THROUGH TO SAY, HEY, BY THE WAY, THIS HAPPENING, AND MAYBE IT'S GOING TO, UH, UH, REACH COUNCIL LEVEL.
BUT WE WERE AT, UH, SEVERAL, I, I ATTENDED AT LEAST FOUR MEETINGS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHEN I GOT HIRED.
BUT PRIOR TO THAT, WE WERE AT DIS THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS WITH LAMAR THERE, WITH BURETT, THERE WITH, WITH, UH, OUTFRONT MEDIA.
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WE'VE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING US TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL BACK IN 2007.AND REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS VETTED IN 2007 WITH STAKEHOLDERS, UH, AS TO WHAT WAS THE CORRECT NUMBER.
UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR ONE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES TO BE PUT UP.
IT WOULD BE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
WE HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT, UH, MR. SHANNON HAS IN HIS OFFICE THAT WE PRESENTED TO HIM WITH LOCATIONS AND THE ONE DIGITAL BILLBOARD THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT OUT AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
BUT WE'RE WILLING TO, UH, TO GET OUR PEOPLE DOWN HERE QUICKLY AND NEGOTIATE WITH THEM, UH, AS EXPEDIENTLY AS WE COULD TO GET THIS TO, TO NOT DELAY THIS ANYMORE.
UM, I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE SERVED ON THIS COMMITTEE.
ARE, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOUR OPINION OF WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, AND IF YOU THINK THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS HEARD MOST OF THIS BEFORE AND, UH, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE'RE FEELING.
UH, I'M ART DOWNEY, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ME.
UH, I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT NINE.
I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE DISTRICT NINE NEIGHBORHOOD ALLIANCE, AND I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS GROUP SINCE 2007, THE SIGN ORDINANCE, WORKING GROUP, UH, REPRESENTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE COMMENT, UH, THAT I WOULD MAKE IS THAT WE, I, I TOOK STRAW POLL OF DISTRICT NINE, UH, ALLIANCE, AND WE WERE OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CLEAR CHANNEL PROPOSAL.
I'VE ALSO SAT THROUGH ALL THE MEETINGS OF THE GROUP THAT, UH, HAS BEEN ALLUDED TO HERE, THE THE SIGN HOLDER STAKEHOLDERS GROUP.
AND THE REASON THAT WE OPTED NOT TO PURSUE ANY OF THE OTHERS, WHICH WE HEARD, WAS THE FACT THAT IT WAS GOING TO ENTAIL OPENING THE DOOR TO A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE SIGNED ORDINANCE OR POSSIBILITY OF NOT JUST ONE OR TWO, BUT THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX CHANGES.
AND WE FELT THAT THIS IS, THIS GROUP NOW FELT THAT IT WAS, WHEN WE RE-LOOK AT THIS, UH, ORDINANCE NEXT YEAR, THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO THIS.
AND THEN WHAT WE DECIDED WE WOULD DO IS GO FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL YOU HEARD TODAY, THE LIMITED PROPOSAL THAT WAS PROPOSED BY CLEAR CHANNEL AND DEFER ALL THE OTHER CHANGES TO THE, THE SIGN ORDINANCE CHANGE.
AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I, I THINK THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS PART OF MY, UH, QUESTION TOO.
SO THAT'S WHY I KNEW MR. DOWNEY WAS GONNA COME UP.
SO I WANTED TO HEAR, UH, YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, AS WELL.
SO WHAT I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU COULD COME BACK WITH A COMPLETE PROPOSAL, BUT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD HAVE TO BE CLEAR IN DEFINING WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO BRING FORWARD TO COUNCIL IF IT IS TO INCLUDE THESE OTHER INDIVIDUALS, THESE OTHER COMPANIES, CORRECT.
AND THEN WHAT I'M ALSO UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU ALL IN THE GROUP HEARD THESE PROPOSALS, BUT THOUGHT IT BEST TO DEFER TO THE U D C SIGN ORDINANCE DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, I KNOW MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES HAVE MADE OTHER, UM, SUGGESTIONS AND THOUGHTS.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO LET YOU ALL MAKE MOTIONS, BUT I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU ALL JUST MENTIONED AND WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW.
SO WE, DO YOU NEED A, UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A BRIEFING, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A DESIRE NOT TO DELAY.
UM, WHAT IS, IS, UM, UH, BEFORE US JUST GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING, I THINK THERE'S GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE ALL WANT TO SEE THE SIGNS TAKEN DOWN.
SO THAT'S REALLY NOT A, I THINK NOBODY'S DISPUTING THAT PART.
WHETHER OR NOT THIS OTHER, UH, GROUP HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROCEED IS, I THINK, WHERE WE ARE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, YEAH, MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE GO WITH THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION FROM CITY STAFF, UH, WITH THE CLEAR CHANNEL, UH, UH, PLAN.
AND THAT THE, UH, OTHER, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR LAMAR AND THE OTHER OUTDOOR ADVERTISING FIRM, UH, BE MOVED TOWARD, UH, THE CHANGES WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING IN THE SCION ORDINANCE,
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UH, NEXT YEAR AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE TIME NEXT YEAR.BUT THAT WOULD GIVE THE COMMUNITY MORE INPUT INTO THOSE PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I REALLY RESPECT THE CONCERN THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY HAS ABOUT OPENING UP THE DOOR TO ANY KIND OF, UH, WHOLESALE CHANGES THAT CAN REALLY, UH, CREATE A DILEMMA WITH MANY MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, SIGNS BEING PUT UP INSTEAD OF LESS.
DID YOU HAVE A MOTION? UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO YOU'LL BRING IT TO COUNCIL AT THE SOONEST YEP.
WE STILL HAVE A LOT, UM, ON OUR AGENDA, SO WE'LL TRY AND, AND TAKE THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES.
WE DO HAVE SOME ACTION, UM, ON, UH, ST.
JOHN SQUARE THAT WE NEED TO, UH, TAKE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE, UH, ITEM NUMBER
[5. 19-5503 Resolution of No Objection for the St. John’s Square Apartment, LP application to the Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs Non-Competitive 4% Housing Tax Credits program for the construction of St. John’s Square Apartments, a 251 unit affordable multi-family rental housing development, located at 422 E. Nueva Street in City Council District 1. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services]]
FIVE, RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION FOR THE ST.JOHNS SQUARE APARTMENT APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
WHO'S GIVING US THAT VETO? YES.
VERONICA SOTO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO GO OVER THE 4% HOUSING TAX CREDIT REQUEST FOR A RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION.
UM, AS MANY OF YOU, OF YOU YOU'RE AWARE, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS RUNS TWO TAX CREDIT PROGRAMS, A 4%, WHICH IS A NON-COMPETITIVE PROCESS, AND A 9% COMPETITIVE PROCESS FOR BOTH.
THERE IS CITY INPUT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE 4% NON-COMPETITIVE.
A RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION IS NEEDED FROM THE FULL COUNCIL.
AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT CALLED ST.
SO THIS IS SEEKING A RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL INCLUDE RETAIL AND MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
THIS ALSO HAS AN AFFORDABLE COMPONENT WITH 251 UNITS PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
AND 50% OF THOSE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE FOR FAMILIES AT OR BELOW 50% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE AT 4 22 EAST NEVA.
THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT IS WORTH ABOUT 4.4 MILLION, BUT THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT COST FOR THE ENTIRE ST.
JOHN'S SQUARE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS AROUND 65 MILLION.
THE DEVELOPMENT HAS TO MOVE FORWARD TO T D H C A SHOULD COUNCIL GRANT A RESOLUTION LATER, AND IF IT DOES, IT WOULD PROCEED TO GET ITS FINANCING SECURED SO THAT CONSTRUCTION COULD START IN NOVEMBER AND CONCLUDE BY MAY, 2021.
THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE DEVELOPER, AS WELL AS WITH ST.
JOHN'S LUTHERAN CHURCH, WHERE THERE IS A LONG-TERM LAND LEASE FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION WITHIN, WELL, VERY CLOSE TO THE DOWNTOWN, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WITH REGARDS TO THE AFFORDABLE UNITS.
HERE IS THE UNIT MIX FOR THOSE 50 UNITS THAT SHOWS THAT THEY WILL BE BETWEEN STUDIO SIZE TO TWO BEDROOM SIZES, AND THE RENTS THAT ARE PROJECTED AT THAT 50% AND BELOW AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
I PUT IN THE 2019 AREA MEDIAN INCOME FOR OUR BY FAMILY SIZE.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT KIND OF, UH, INCOME IS NEEDED BY FAMILY SIZE, SINCE I DON'T NORMALLY PRESENT A 50% A M I, UH, DOCUMENT.
THIS IS A MAP AGAIN, SHOWING THE LOCATION WITHIN COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, YOU GO ON AND, AND RECOMMEND TO THE FULL COUNCIL AS, UM, NO OBJECTION RESOLUTION.
THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.
THANK YOU VETO FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
AND YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS, UH, FOR THOSE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, ADJACENT TO LA VITA, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S PROVIDING A, A, A, A GREAT ADDITION TO THAT GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
IT'S, UH, IT'S GONNA BE A, A GREAT PROJECT.
SO THEREFORE I MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THIS RESOLUTION AND SUPPORT.
UM, I, FOR ONE, REALLY LOOK AT THAT 50% A M I I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
BUT THEN IT'S ONLY ONE OUT OF EVERY FIVE APARTMENTS AT THAT RATE, IT'S 20%.
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ANY, ANY WAY WE GET ANOTHER 10 OR 12 UNITS OUT OF THERE THAT MIGHT BE, UH, AFFORDABLE LIKE THAT? MAYBE EVEN SOME AT 60, JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABILITY.I MEAN, 80% ARE GONNA BE AT MARKET RATE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, I LIKE THE IDEA 50%.
I THINK THAT'LL ALLOW SOME PEOPLE, BUT WE KNOW THAT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, 50% IS NOT GONNA BE THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY.
SO THAT A M I IS GONNA BE HIGHER THAN 71 IN TWO YEARS FROM NOW, AND THOSE RATES ARE GONNA BE HIGHER THAN THEY'RE LISTED TWO YEARS FROM NOW BY THE TIME THIS IS CONSTRUCTED AND READY FOR MOVE-IN.
AND, UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE A FEW MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS ADDED TO IT, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
UH, I KNOW REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP ARE HERE WHO CAN HELP ADDRESS THAT.
I DO KNOW THAT THEIR FINANCING, UM, IS LIMITED BECAUSE THEY'RE USING A HUD, UH, WORK.
UM, WHAT IS IT CALLED? IT'S A, A, A SEPARATE FINANCING SOURCE THAT HAS A WORKFORCE COMPONENT.
AND SO THAT LIMITS THEM AS WELL.
BUT IF, UM, IF REPRESENT PERHAPS SOMEONE FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY CAN ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
I'M TIM ALCOTT FROM THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND I OVERSEE REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT.
THANKS FOR COMING TO THE BOARD MEETING THE OTHER DAY.
SO WE'LL HAVE A FEW MORE UNITS.
AND THE REASON IS THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR DOWNTOWN.
SO WE'RE MOVING TO WORK AGENCY.
AND SO WE WORKED WITH SOME LOCAL BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN SO PEOPLE CAN LIVE AND WORK DOWNTOWN.
AND AS THE UNITS TURNOVER, WHENEVER WE WENT TO HUD THAT WE SAID WE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST 20% OF THE UNITS BEING, UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHICH IS 50% OR BELOW A M I.
AND SO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT NUMBER, IT WILL BE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THIS WAS A LONG PROCESS THOUGH.
SO I, UM, WHENEVER WE WENT TO HUD, WE SAID THERE ALL WOULD BE 50% OF 'EM BELOW.
AND SO THAT WAS A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS.
SO I COULDN'T PROMISE YOU TODAY THAT WE COULD DO MORE UNITS AT A HIGHER A M I.
UM, BUT WHAT WE CAN SAY IS THERE'LL BE MORE UNITS THAN PROBABLY WE PRESENTED TODAY.
UH, 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
I'D JUST LIKE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS MIGHT END UP BEING 18 MONTHS FROM NOW WHEN THEY'RE IN CONSTRUCTION OR SOMETHING.
FOR VETO OR FOR THE LAWYER? THE COUNCILMAN? UH, IS THIS THE LOCATION THAT'S RIGHT THERE OFF OF, UH, WHERE THE PARKING LOT WAS? IT'S, UH, A CORNER OF EVA AND, UH, ST.
SO IT'S OVER THERE BY THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S A MAP THAT'S JUST THE PARKING LOT THERE.
IT'S A PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW? YES.
IT'S GONNA CHANGE A LOT OVER THERE.
THERE'S A LOCATION, MAP AND VETO, WHO IS YOUR PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPER? IT'S, UH, WILL, L L C WILL DEVELOPMENT.
C IS A PARTNER WITH W I L L W E A L W E A L.
I, I JUST, UH, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.
UH, WE DO HAVE TO DO THE OVERLAY, MILITARY OVERLAY.
UM, AND, UH, AND THEN MAYBE LORI, WE CAN SEE WHICH IS IF THOSE, THE OTHERS CAN BE POSTPONED, BUT I KNOW WE NEED TO TAKE
[3. 19-5657 Briefing and possible action on the proposed Unified Development Code (UDC) Amendments related to Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Military Protection Area (ETJMPA) regulations for the Camp Bullis ETJMPA and Lackland ETJMPA, creation of the Comprehensive Land Use categories within the MPAs, and the Addendum to the Bexar County/COSA Master Interlocal Agreement for the ETJMPAs in unincorporated Bexar County. [Roderick J. Sanchez, Assistant City Manager; Michael Shannon, Director, Development Services]]
THIS ONE.SO, BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS RELATED TO EXTRA TER TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION MILITARY PROTECTION AREA.
SO I WILL TRY TO RACE THROUGH THIS.
UM, BUT FIRST BEFORE I GET STARTED, I'D LIKE TO, UH, I THINK THEY'RE STILL HERE.
WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF, UH, JOINT BASE SAN ANTONIO HERE.
UH, IF YOU GUYS COULD ALL JUST WAVE, WANT TO THANK THEM FOR BEING HERE AND SUPPORT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER ITEM THAT, UH, SOME OF YOU SAW BACK IN JANUARY.
UM, I KNOW, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN, UH, THIS IS NEW TO YOU, BUT I WILL, UH, BREEZE THROUGH IT.
BUT THIS IS REALLY JUST MILITARY PROTECTION.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO, UH, FOR MANY OF YOU THAT REMEMBER, UH, SO SINCE 2008, UH, THE CITY HAS BEEN ENABLING OR, OR ENACTING LEGISLATION AND PROVIDING, UH, A LOT OF SAFEGUARDS TO PROTECT THE MILITARY CAMP.
UH, CAMP BULLIS, UH, THE OTHER, UH, UH, LACKLAND, OTHER MILITARY BASES.
WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT WE'VE ENACTED OVER THE YEARS, WHETHER IT BE THE MILITARY NOTIFICATION, UH, THE MILITARY LIGHTING OVERLAY DISTRICT, IT WAS, THAT WAS EVEN UPDATED, UH, UH, LAST YEAR.
UH, THE TREE ORDINANCE SOUND ATTENUATION, ALL OF THESE ARE TO HELP PROTECT THE MISSION OF THE MILITARY HERE, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN STAY.
AND IT'S ALL ABOUT COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER INITIATIVE, UH, THAT, UH, IS COMING YOUR WAY.
SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
SO THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, SESSION,
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ACTUALLY, NOT THE ONE WE JUST WENT THROUGH, BUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UH, THE ANNEXATION LAWS IN TEXAS CHANGED.AND REALLY WE CANNOT ANNEX ANYMORE WITHOUT HAVING A VOTE.
AND, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO, AROUND THE MILITARY BASES.
THEY, THEY GAVE US THAT, UH, ABILITY TO PROTECT WITHIN FIVE MILES AROUND THE MILITARY BASES.
UH, WE CAN HAVE A VOTE AND ASK THOSE, UH, THOSE FOLKS, UH, TO EITHER BE ANNEXED, WHICH IS OPTION ONE, OR, UH, NOT BE ANNEXED, NOT PAY CITY TAXES, BUT, UH, ALLOW THE CITY TO PRO, UH, TO, TO PROVIDE SOME, UM, UH, LAND USE REGULATIONS, UH, THAT ARE TIED INTO THE JOINT LAND USE STUDY.
AND IT'S ALL TO, UH, PROTECT THE MILITARY MISSION IN THESE AREAS.
SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING, UH, IN 2018, UH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION TO HAVE THE VOTE, UH, IN THOSE AREAS.
UH, ONE, UH, IN AN AREA AROUND CAMP BOAS, CAMP STANLEY, UM, UH, THE OTHER ONE IN AROUND, UH, LACKLAND AIR FORCE, UH, BASE MEDINA ANNEX NOVEMBER, WE HAD THE ELECTION.
AND OVERWHELMINGLY, THE VOTERS SAID, DON'T ANNEX ME.
I CHOOSE FOR THE LAND USE, UH, CONTROLS.
SO, AND THEN IN JANUARY, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, WHERE I GAVE A B A B SESSION BRIEFING ON THE PROCESS, BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE USING THIS TOOL 'CAUSE IT'S BRAND NEW, UH, FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE.
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS, IT'S WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS IN THESE AREAS AND IDENTIFIED, UH, PUTTING SOME DIFFERENT LAND USE CONTROLS THAT ARE TIED INTO THE JOINT, UH, UH, UH, LAND USE STUDIES AROUND THERE.
SO THE FIRST ONE, LET'S LOOK AT LACKLAND AIR FORCE BASED MEDINA TRAINING NX, 20 SQUARE MILES, ABOUT 40,000 POPULATION.
UH, ABOUT 59% OF THAT IS VACANT RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE'S A MAP, UH, WITH JUST A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT COLORS, WHICH REPRESENT LAND USE CONTROLS, WHETHER IT BE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, LOW DENSITY, AG IS THE GREEN, SOME COMMERCIAL THAT'S ALREADY THERE, UM, AND SUCH.
AND, UH, THIS IS THE ONE AROUND CAMP BOAS.
NOW, WE DIDN'T UTILIZE THE ENTIRE FIVE MILES, RIGHT? UH, WE WORKED WITH THE MILITARY BACK WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THE ANNEXATION ELECTIONS.
WHAT ARE THE AREAS THAT THEY MOST CARE ABOUT, UH, WITHIN THAT? AND THEN, UH, THIS IS THE CAMP BOAS, CAMP STANLEY AREA, UH, ALONGSIDE, UH, I 10 THERE, 22 SQUARE MILES.
UH, 18,000, UH, ESTIMATED POPULATION WITH ABOUT 36% VACANT.
SO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, UH, IT MOST CLOSELY RESEMBLES A LARGE AREA REZONING PROCESS.
BUT WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING, BECAUSE, UH, WE HAD TO FIGURE THIS OUT AS WE WENT ALONG, WE GOT EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
SO PLANNING DEPARTMENT ATTORNEYS, UH, OFFICE OF MILITARY AFFAIRS, CERTAINLY THE MILITARY, AS I MENTIONED, BEAR COUNTY DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY, CITIZENS, UM, AND UTILIZE AN SA SPEAK UP.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UH, I'LL KIND OF SPEED THROUGH THIS BECAUSE, UH, WE HAD ALL THESE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ZONING COMMISSION, AND HERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO WE DID HAVE, OF COURSE, A SURVEY.
44 WHOLE PEOPLE DECIDED TO, UH, ANSWER THIS ONE.
UH, WHAT WE FOUND, IT WAS MOSTLY SOME PEOPLE AROUND, UH, THAT LIVED IN THIS AREA.
NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE RESPONDED THAT DIDN'T LIVE IN THESE AREAS.
AND I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT CARED ABOUT THIS ATTENDED THE MEETINGS, UH, AND WERE VERY VOCAL AS TO WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE.
SOME WERE STILL A LITTLE, UH, UNHAPPY WITH THE IDEA THAT WE MIGHT EVEN BE PUTTING ANYTHING ON THEM AND LAND USE CONTROLS.
AND, UM, AND AGAIN, MY FAVORITE PART WAS THAT 5% OF THE PEOPLE WEREN'T SURE IF THEY ATTENDED ANY OF THE MEETINGS.
UM, SO MAYBE THAT HAPPENS AS WE, UH, GET A LITTLE WISER.
SO, UM, BUT A KEY FACTOR HERE.
DO YOU CONSIDER THE MILITARY PRESENCE AN IMPORTANT ECONOMIC FACTOR IN SAN ANTONIO? OF COURSE, THE ANSWER IS YES.
A FEW PEOPLE SAID NO, 18 WERE NEUTRAL.
UH, BUT I THINK THAT'S, WE, WE KNEW THAT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
UM, AND, UH, RANK THE IMPORTANCE OF THE FOLLOWING REGULATIONS.
UM, IF YOU LOOK THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WATER QUALITY, LIGHTING AND DENSITY WERE THE TOP THREE.
AND WE HAVE, UH, RULES AND REGS FOR, FOR THAT.
HERE'S THE PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED, UH, MOSTLY MALES OUTTA THE 44.
AND, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT HAD THE HIGHEST REPRESENTATION OF THAT.
SO THAT BEING SAID, LET'S STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT.
IN THE E T J, THAT'S WHERE THESE AREAS ARE.
WE ALREADY HAVE SOME REGULATION THERE.
WE HAVE THE TREE ORDINANCE IN THE E T J THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.
OH, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT SIGNS.
MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS, MILITARY NOTIFICATION.
BUT BY PUTTING THESE LAND USE CONTROLS WITH SOME OF THESE AND REEMPHASIZING SOME OF THESE ORDINANCES, IF THE RULES EVER CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TREE ORDINANCE, THE TREE ORDINANCE IS UNDER ATTACK EVERY TWO YEARS AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE.
AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO POSSIBLY GET RID OF OUR TREE ORDINANCE IN THE E T J.
THIS WOULD, UH, THIS WOULD KEEP THAT THERE UNDER THIS, UH, THIS NEW, UH, LAND USE CONTROL ORDINANCE.
SO THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS BY STATE LAW, THEY HAVE TO BE, UH, REGULATIONS THAT ALIGN WITH THE J L UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
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L IN LACKLAND FROM 2011.UH, BUT IT ACTUALLY, THOSE WERE THE STUDIES THAT SAID, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP PROTECTING THE MILITARY MISSION AROUND THESE BASES? SO WE ALSO WANTED TO USE, WE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE UP ANY NEW RULES IN TERMS OF LAND USE CATEGORIES.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, JUST ABOUT A YEAR AGO, UH, WE, UH, WE UPDATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE, WITH THE REVISED LAND USE, UH, UH, UH, LAND USE CATEGORIES.
SO WE'RE USING THOSE, UH, IN, IN OUR PROPOSAL AND OUR MILITARY, UH, PROTECTION, UH, AREA OVERLAYS WILL INCLUDE THE LIGHTING OVERLAY DISTRICT SOUND ATTENUATION, DISTRICT AIR, AIR AIRPORT, HAV HAZARD OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE.
SO WE WOULD FOLLOW THE EXISTING PROCESS FOR THOSE ZONING COMMISSION AND, AND SUCH, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF WE NEED ANY, UH, VARIANCES.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'RE PROPOSING TO PLACE THESE LAND USE CONTROLS, THESE LAND USE CATEGORIES ON EACH AND EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE.
UH, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME FOR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS, PLOTTING TREES, SIGN ORDINANCES.
UH, IN WE, WE WILL NEED AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BEXAR COUNTY.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH BEXAR COUNTY ON WHO WOULD DO WHAT.
UH, WE WOULD REVIEW THE MILITARY, UM, PROTECTION, UH, COMPLIANCE CERTIFICATE RULES.
ARE THEY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THESE NEW, NEW RULES? THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THE BUILDING PERMITTING, UH, IN THOSE AREAS THAT THEY DO NOW, PENALTIES AND ENFORCEMENTS WILL BE PART OF IT, WHICH WOULD BE ADJU ADJUDICATION OF MUNICIPAL COURT IF NEEDED.
SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THIS, WE PUT THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS, THESE LAND USE CONTROLS ON THESE PROPERTIES.
UH, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.
SO EXISTING HOUSES, THOSE ARE EXEMPT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EXISTING HOUSES.
SO THOSE ARE CLEARLY, UH, EXEMPT FROM, UH, THESE RULES.
UH, AND THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THOSE THAT LIVE OUT THERE.
BUT THEY WOULD COME TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE WOULD REVIEW THEIR PROPOSED PROJECT IS IF IT'S IN COMPLIANCE, WE GIVE THEM A CERTIFICATE OF COMPATIBILITY, I E AND APPROVAL.
THEY BRING THAT TO BEXAR COUNTY.
AND THEN BEXAR COUNTY PROCEEDS WITH THE REST OF THEIR PROJECT, PROJECT THROUGH THE BEXAR COUNTY FIRE MARSHALS AND PERMITTING OFFICE.
UH, WE DID HAVE SOME AGRICULTURAL DENSITY, UH, REGULATIONS ADDED TO THE 0.25 UNITS PER ACRE TO COMPLY WITH THE J L.
UH, THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE CONTINUATION OF LAND USE.
THIS IS JUST THE GRANDFATHERING FROM STATE LAW.
WE, WE MADE SURE THAT WE PUT THIS IN PLANNING COMMISSION, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THIS IN, WE'RE GONNA ALIGN RIGHT WITH STATE, STATE STATUTE ON THAT.
IF YOU'RE GRANDFATHERED BY STATE LAW, YOU WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN THIS ORDINANCE NO MORE, NO LESS.
UH, AND THEN, UM, THEY DID MAKE A FEW MODIFICATIONS ON SOME OF THE, UH, PROPERTIES, UH, BUT NOT TOO MANY.
THE ZONING COMMISSION, UH, MADE ALL THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPLY THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
AS SUCH, THAT'S THEIR ROLE IN THIS.
UH, AND THEN THEY, UH, CONFIRM THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN OUR RECOMMENDATION, OF COURSE, FROM STAFF THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS WORKING WITH EVERYBODY, UM, IS TO, UH, APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE CHANGES TO CHAPTER 35, OUR U D C.
SO WE WOULD CREATE A NEW ARTICLE, UH, IN, UH, IN THE U D C THAT WOULD HANDLE MILITARY PROTECTION AREAS AROUND THESE TWO, UH, BASES.
UH, WE WOULD START APPLYING THE NEW LAND USE CATEGORIES AND, UH, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXECUTE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BAYER.
UH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY JUST, UH, JUST A MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING BAYER COUNTY MASTER I L A.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, MIKE, YOU NEED A, UH, ACTION TO MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT? YES.
AN ACTION TO MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
ANY QUESTIONS?
AND UM, THIS IS JUST FOR THOSE TWO AREAS.
THE CAMP BOLUS AND THE ONE OFF OF 90.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY THROUGH THAT.
ANNEXATION, NON ANNEXATION VOTE FROM NOVEMBER.
AND YOU MENTIONED SIGNAGE DOES THIS, YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, DOES THIS IMPACT SIGNAGE AS WELL? THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEW SIGN RULES IN HERE.
THAT SIGN CODE THAT WE JUST SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT, UHHUH, THAT IS ALREADY APPLICABLE IN THE E T J.
SO EVEN BEYOND THESE TWO AREAS IS APPLICABLE.
NO NEW BILLBOARDS IN THE E T J.
ALRIGHT, AND WITH THAT I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 35 AND THE APPLICATION OF NEWLAND USED CATEGORIES ASSOCIATED WITH OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BEXAR COUNTY TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE FULL COUNCIL MEETING.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO WE HAVE, UH, TWO OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, BUT THEY ARE BOTH FOR BRIEFING.
SO WE WILL DELAY CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED EVALUATION CRITERIA UTILIZED TO AWARD FEDERAL FUNDING TO AFFORDABLE RENTAL AND HOME OWNERSHIP HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, JUST MEANS THAT WE WILL HAVE
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TO, UM, BE FAIRLY WELL BRIEFED BEFORE IT COMES TO THE FULL COUNCIL 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DELAY ANYONE.UM, AND THE LAST ONE WAS ALSO A BRIEFING ON THE CITY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUSINESS PLAN PROGRESS.
SO, UM, WE'LL WAIT ON THOSE TWO AS WELL AS THEY DON'T REQUIRE ANY ACTION.
AND, UM, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE QUITE A WHILE NOW, SO, UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME ALSO SUGGESTIONS FOR NEXT MEETING.
SO WE'LL KNOW, WE'LL HAVE THIS ONE, WE ANTICIPATE THE ALAMO BRIEFING TO BE IN THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN IS THERE ANY MADAM CHAIR ON THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING THE BRIEF? NOT TODAY.
CAN WE HAVE THE BRIEFING BRIEFING FORWARDED TO US? YES, OF COURSE.
INDIVIDUAL BRIEFING, THEY'LL MAKE THE ROUNDS FOR EVERYONE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE, WE NEED TO HAVE A BRIEFING ON THE ALAMO BECAUSE GETTING INFORMATION ON THE NEWSPAPER AGAIN ISN'T ACCEPTABLE.
SO PLEASE BRING THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.