* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] I CALLED TO ORDER [9:00 AM – Call to Order] HIS THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR FRIDAY, JUNE 28TH, 2024. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GUILLO HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELAZQUEZ GALLOWAY. HERE. MOOKA. HERE. GIDA. HERE. VASQUEZ. PRESENT. CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE SOMEONE FOR TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. ENO. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED UPON, EXCUSE ME. YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING FLEXIBLE AND, UH, BEING HERE ON A FRIDAY MORNING THAT'S ON OUR TYPICAL HEARING TIME OR DATE. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK NOTE THAT THE NEXT HCRC HEARING WILL NOT BE UNTIL JULY 17TH. UM, SO PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THAT TO APPLICANT'S UH, SUBMITTING APPLICATIONS FOR HCRC REVIEW. UM, THE FIRST ITEM WE JUST [Approval of Minutes] NEED, UH, APPROVAL AND MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 5TH. I MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 5TH. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROBABLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SINA AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NEXT [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] WE CAN DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. UM, WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, BEGINNING WITH VOICEMAILS. ACTUALLY WE'LL DO IN-PERSON ITEMS FOR ITEM SEVEN. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FIRST. UM, SO FIRST I'M GONNA CALL IT, UH, DARRYL STEADMAN. HE'LL EACH RECEIVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK. MR. STEADMAN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY GARY HOUSTON. GOOD MORNING. I HERE, UH, I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE MAJOR OVERSIGHT ON THIS PROJECT. SPECIFICALLY THE, SIR, LEMME STOP YOU FOR A MOMENT. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. OH, MY NAME'S DARRELL STEADMAN. THANK YOU, SIR. GO AHEAD. I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE MAJOR OVERSIGHT OF THIS PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY THE UNIQUE INTERPRETATION OF THE HISTORY. THE CURRENT EXPLANATION OF THE SIGNAGE PASS PACKAGE DISREGARDS A MAJOR FACT. THE PERSON WHO LED THE [00:05:01] PROJECT, FORMED THE COALITION, RAISED THE FUNDS, RAISED THE AWARENESS OF THE COMMUNITY OF SAVING THE HAYES STREET BRIDGE HAS BEEN IGNORED. IT WAS H DOUGLAS STEADMAN, MY FATHER. THAT WAS THE DRIVING FORCE IN SAVING THE TWO BRIDGES. IT WAS DOUG THAT SET UP AND STARTED THE 5 0 1 C3. THE ADDRESS FOR THE HAYES STREET BRIDGE RESTORATION GROUP IS HIS OWN ADDRESS. HE ALSO STARTED THE ACCOUNT AT SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION WITH HIS OWN MONEY. ALL THE MONEY THAT CAME IN FIRST WERE FRIENDS OF HIS, WHICH WERE ENGINEERS. HE WAS BY PROFESSION, A CIVIL AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEER RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THIS CITY AND SURROUNDING. HE ALSO RAISED THE FUNDS. HE INVOLVED THE COMMUNITY AND ORGANIZED AND FOUGHT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR 10 YEARS FROM STEALING THE LAND. THERE IS ONE OTHER PERSON WHOSE SIGNATURE WAS ON THE CERTIFICATION OF THE HAYES STREET BRIDGE RESTORATION GROUP. HE'S ACTUALLY HERE TODAY. GARY HOUSTON. GARY HOUSTON ALSO DROVE MY FATHER AROUND TO A LOT OF THE MEETINGS. MY DAD SPENT YEARS, HE THOUGHT WHEN HE FIRST STARTED THIS PROJECT IN THE FALL OF 99, HE SAID IT'D TAKE HIM ABOUT TWO YEARS TO GET IT DONE. MET WITH HOWARD PEAK. 'CAUSE HOWARD PEAK WAS WANTING TO DO A HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS THROUGH SAN ANTONIO. HE GOES UP TWO YEARS, I'LL HAVE IT DONE. 25 YEARS LATER, HE'S ALREADY PASSED, AND HERE WE ARE STILL. AND I STARTED. FATHER ON HIS DEATHBED ASKED ME TO PROMISE HIM THAT I'D FINISHED THE PARK PROJECT AND MAKE SURE IT GOT DONE. ONE OF DOUG'S OTHER BIG CLAIM TO FAME EVERYBODY DRIVES BY IT ALL THE TIME, IS THE ALAMO DOME. THE ONLY REASON THAT ROOF IS HELD UP IS BECAUSE OF HIS ENGINEERING SKILLS. SO IF YOU WANT TO READ ANY OF THE EXPRESS NEWS, SAN ANTONIO OR CURRENT OR ANY OF THE OTHER BRIDGES, HIS NAME'S THERE. THIS ISN'T HIS FIRST RESTORATION PROJECT. HE ALSO DID HANGAR NINE. EXCUSE ME, SIR, PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE. OKAY. IT WAS DOUG WHO GOT THE BRIDGE DESIGNATED BY THE A SCE, THE AREA'S COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT, BEXAR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE STATE OF TEXAS AND FUNDS. HE SPENT A DECADE TRYING TO STOP THE CITY FROM STEALING. SO IF YOU WANT THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE BRIDGE, YOU MUST CHANGE THE CURRENT SIGNAGE, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND ESPERANZA GROUP. WE'LL ALSO SAY THAT. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. GARY HOUSTON. MR. HOUSTON WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. GROSS SANCHEZ ALSO SIGNED IN AND YIELDED HER TIME. MY NAME IS GARY HOUSTON. IT IS INDEED UNFORTUNATE THAT ONCE AGAIN, COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS ARE CONSIGNED TO MAKING AN 11TH HOUR EFFORT AT OFFERING INPUT ON A HOUSTON VITALLY IMPORTANT PROJECT. THANK YOU. A TRULY OPEN COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION PROCESS WOULD'VE INVOLVED TIMELY FEEDBACK FROM PUBLIC. MR. HOUSTON, CAN YOU MOVE THE MIC SO WE CAN ALL HEAR YOU? CLEARLY? A TRULY OPEN COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION PROCESS WOULD'VE INVOLVED TIMELY FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC RELYING ON WELL-INFORMED SOURCES, SUFFICIENT RESEARCH AND FIRSTHAND RECOLLECTION AND INTERPRETATION OF THE FACTS. THERE ARE DOZENS OF PEOPLE WHO COULD HAVE INDIVIDUALLY OR COLLECTIVELY STRENGTHENED THE PREPARATION OF THIS APPLICATION. HAD THEY BEEN INFORMED AND CONSULTED. THIS IS A RECURRING FLAW, OR SHOULD WE SAY, FAILURE OF THE URBAN PLANNING PROCESS IN SAN ANTONIO. WE WERE AT FIRST ALARMED THEN DISAPPOINTED THAT THE SIGNAGE COULD SPEND OVER 1200 WORDS DESCRIBING THE HISTORY OF THE HAY STREET BRIDGE AND THIS PARK, WITHOUT MENTIONING DOUGLAS STEADMAN AND A COURTEOUS, AT LEAST AN COURTEOUS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF HIS LEADERSHIP IN BRINGING THE BRIDGE TO THE ATTENTION OF SAN ANTONIO COMMUNITY AND ULTIMATELY THIS PARK INTO EXISTENCE. ANOTHER GLARING OMISSION IS THAT THERE IS NOT A WORD EXPLAINING OR MERELY ACKNOWLEDGING THE ROLE OF THE DAWSON BROTHERS IN THE TRANSFER TO THE PUBLIC OF THE PARKS. 1.7 ACRES. SOME OF US INITIALLY THOUGHT THAT A MINOR TWEAK HERE OR THERE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO STRENGTHEN THE SIGNAGE. A CLOSER READING HAS PERSUADED US THAT THIS APPLICATION NEEDS A MAJOR EDIT AND REWRITE. THE DOUGLAS STEADMAN OVERSIGHT COULD BE REMEDIED BY THE ADDITION OF A SIMPLE TWO SENTENCE QUOTATION, WHICH, UH, IS VISIBLE ON ON THE BOARD. UH, UH, THE INGER WHIPPLE PHOENIX TRUSSES ARE NOT ONLY RARE, BUT THEY AND THE PRATT TRUSSES OF THE SHORTRIDGE MAN WERE BUILT IN 1881 OF ROTH IRON, WHICH PREDATES BY EIGHT YEARS EIFFEL TOWERS OF WR IRON IN PARIS. THESE ANCIENT TRUSSES DESERVE NOT ONLY PRESERVATION, BUT ALSO OUR ADMIRATION AND [00:10:01] RESPECT. UH, THOSE ARE, UH, WORDS FROM THE LIPS OF MR. STEADMAN. THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR A STATUE OF HIM IN THE PARK. UH, THIS CONFORMS, THESE CHANGES CONFORM TO THE ESTABLISHED FORMAT THAT COULD BE APPROPRIATELY INSERTED INTO THE LAST PANEL, UH, ON THE MONUMENT PLAZA THAT DEFINES THE DISTINCTIVE TRUSSES. THE EIFFEL TOWER REFERENCES ESPECIALLY PROFOUND BECAUSE IT PLACES THE ELEMENT OF SOUTH TEXAS HISTORY, THIS ELEMENT OF SOUTH TEXAS HISTORY INTO THE CONTEXT OF THE CONTEMPORANEOUS DEVELOPMENTS IN 19TH CENTURY WORLDWIDE INDUSTRIALIZATION. SOME OF THE OTHER INACCURACIES REQUIRE MORE SUBSTANTIVE CORRECTIONS. THE ORIGINAL USE OF THE LONGER BRIDGE SPAN OVER THE NOES RIVER WEST OF UVALDE WAS NOT AS INDICATED IN THE SUBMITTED SIGNAGE FOR HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGES AND MOTOR VEHICLES AS STATED IN, IN THAT, UH, PROPOSAL. UH, IN FACT, THAT BRIDGE IN UVALDE, THAT ORIGINAL USE OF THE BRIDGE WAS FOR TRAINS, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS A RAILROAD BRIDGE OWNED BY, UM, UH, WHAT, UH, LATER BECAME SOUTHERN PACIFIC AND THEN UNION PACIFIC. AND THE PHOTO IN THE PACKAGE ITSELF, UM, UH, SUGGESTS THAT IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN A RAILROAD BRIDGE. THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE BRIDGE, UH, SHOWS TRAIN TRACKS RUNNING RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT. UM, THE TIMELINE LEAPS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE BRIDGE CLOSING IN 82 TO, UH, THE OPENING OF THE RENOVATED BRIDGE, UH, WHICH LEAVES LOTS OF GAPS. UH, THE SECTION, THE SECTION DESCRIBING THE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD IS INACCURATE AND BORDERS ON THE PATRONIZING. SIR, PLEASE, UH, MR. YOU SHOULD PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. Y YES SIR. TO SUGGEST THAT WIPES ONLY SETTLED WEST OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AND THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO EAST WERE PREDOMINANTLY SETTLED BY NATIVE AMERICANS AND EMANCIPATED BLACKS IS LAUGHABLE AND EVEN CONTRADICTED BY OTHER PORTIONS OF THE APPLICANT'S TEST, UH, TEXT. UM, I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT MANY AND SOMETIMES, SIR, MOST PARTICIPATION, SIR, IN COMMUNITY PLANNING. THANK YOU, SIR. YOUR TIME IS OFFICER YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. AMY CASTLEY. HELLO, MY NAME IS AMY CASTLEY, EXCUSE ME. I SERVED AS THE VOLUNTEER ATTORNEY, UH, FOR THE HAY STREET BRIDGE RESTORATION GROUP, OF WHICH I WAS ALSO A MEMBER. UM, I WAS HONORED TO GIVE MY TIME AND LEGAL WORK TO THE HAY STREET BRIDGE RESTORATION GROUP BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A HONORABLE, HARDWORKING GROUP OF RESIDENTS AND THEY WERE DOING AND PURSUING THE VALUES THAT WE ALL CARE ABOUT AND BELIEVE IN THAT THIS WAS FOR ME, THIS WAS, THIS WAS DEMOCRACY, THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE, RIGHT? PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE CITY CAME TOGETHER AND WORKED NOT ONLY TO HAVE THE VOICE, BUT ALSO TO PRESERVE THIS HISTORIC MONUMENT AND TO, AND TO PRESERVE A VISIBLE SYMBOL AND, AND, UM, TRIGGER OF THE WONDERFUL MEMORIES THAT PEOPLE HAD OF THE BRIDGE. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT, IT WAS HARD. IT MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND CITY STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS TO PULL TOGETHER, UH, A THOROUGH HERE'S HISTORY BECAUSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WRITTEN , WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT WORK, AS GARY HAS SAID. THE FACT IS THAT THE DRAFT YOU HAVE NOW IS, IS FULL OF OVERSIGHTS FACTUAL ERRORS AND UNNECESSARY VERBIAGE. I HAVE PAGES OF NOTES AND SUGGESTED, UH, L LANGUAGE AND DELETIONS AND CORRECTIONS. I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO WITHDRAW AND RESUBMIT THIS APPLICATION, OR FOR YOU AS A BOARD TO DENY OR TO TABLE IT. UM, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, USE THE INPUT THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO THIS BOARD AND, AND INTEGRATED INTO A, A STATEMENT OF THE, OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BRIDGE AND THE PARK THAT I THINK WE ALL WILL APPRECIATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CRYSTAL PUENTE. SORRY, EVELYN BROWN IS NEXT. EVELYN, WHOEVER WANTS TO GO NEXT. [00:15:02] HI EVELYN. DID YOU SAY EVELYN OR WHAT? EVELYN YES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. MY NAME IS EVELYN BROWN. I RESIDE AT, UH, INDIGNITY HILL 5 27 BURNETT STREET. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS, UH, PROJECT. I DON'T BELIEVE, AND PLEASE THE CITY. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THE CITY DID NOT SUBMIT THE FINAL DRAFT OF WHAT THE VERBIAGE WAS GONNA BE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND IF THEY DID, I WANNA KNOW A DATE AND TIME BECAUSE I WASN'T THERE AND DIDN'T RECEIVE NOTICE OF IT. AND SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS NOT SEEN IT. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, UH, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE HAD ALL THOSE MEETINGS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WOULD COME TOGETHER AND REVIEW THE VER VERBIAGE. AND WHEN I WAS READING IT, I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, I'VE BEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD 50 YEARS. I SAID, I DON'T REMEMBER ANY OF THIS. SO I THINK THE CITY HAS A LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO ABOUT HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THESE FACTS AND HOW THEY ARE GOING TO CORRECT IT, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT IN THE PARK. THANK YOU. CRYSTAL PUENTE. THANK YOU. DO I JUST TELL YOU NEXT AND THEN YOU, OKAY. OKAY. AWESOME. UH, MY NAME IS CHRISTELLE PUENTE AND I LIVE AT 4 31 FUR. UM, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN, INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT SINCE 2017. AND, UM, WHEN I STARTED, I WAS INTERNING AT THE ESPERANZA PEACE AND JUSTICE CENTER. I'M A PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER AND GRACIELA SAID, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU USE YOUR SKILLS AND GO OUT AND TAKE A PICTURE OF HAY STREET BRIDGE, THE PHOTOS THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS SHOWING, SAY THAT IT'S BLIGHTED. SO THIS WAS KIND OF WHAT WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH. AND YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. AND THIS IS THE SHOT THAT I TOOK. IT'S THE EXACT SAME SPOT. UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE NOW WHEN YOU USE THIS SHOT, LIKE HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS AND IT'S REALLY SHINING, UM, THE WAY THAT IT CAN. NEXT ONE. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PHOTOS THAT I SAW, UM, IN THERE, SOME OF THESE PHOTOS ARE DARK AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY REFLECTING, UM, THE HISTORY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE, UM, LOOKING AT THIS SIGNAGE, THERE'S BETTER PHOTOS. THERE'S BETTER PHOTOS FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. UM, AND THEN ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I SAW WITH SOME OF THE WORDING OR THE HISTORIC TIMELINE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE WAS WITH 1910, AND THERE'S NO ME, UM, MENTION OF THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION. AND THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION WAS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, TO SAN ANTONIO. THERE ARE TWO BOOKS OUT ABOUT IT, UM, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. ONE IS FOR JUSTIN IN BETTER WORLD, UM, BY DR. SONYA HERNANDEZ AND THE OTHER ONE IS BAD MEXICANS, UM, BY DR. KELLY LIDDEL HERNANDEZ. AND WHAT DR. KELLY, HER K LID, KELLY LIDDEL HERNANDEZ SAYS IS THE CORE OF OUR ARGUMENT IS THAT THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION FROM 1910 TO 1917 LITERALLY CHANGED WHO WE ARE AS A PEOPLE, AS A MIGRATION. IT ENGENDERED AND LAID THE FOUNDATION OF TODAY'S MEXICAN AMERICAN POPULATION. UM, AND THE REASON THIS STUFF IS IMPORTANT TO ME IS BECAUSE I'M A PHD STUDENT AT SMU AND I'M STUDYING HISTORY AND PARTICULARLY SAN ANTONIO HISTORY. SO THE RAILROAD ENDS UP BEING A HUGE CATALYST FOR WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT WHO CAME, WHOSE FAMILIES CAME. YEP. AND THIS IS A OH YES, PLEASE WRAP UP BECAUSE OKAY. UM, GO TO THE NEXT ONE. UM, THE NEXT ONE IS, THERE NEEDS TO BE CONTEXT FOR NETTY, UM, HINTON FOR MS. NETTY. YOU'RE JUST PUTTING HER NAME ON THERE. WE NEED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHO SHE IS. UM, THE NEXT ONE YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE, MA'AM. YES. I NEED YOU AND YOUR COMMENTS. YOUR TIME IS UP, SO, OKAY. I WISH I HAD MORE TIME 'CAUSE I HAD MORE THINGS TO SAY, BUT I APPRECIATE, UM, THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY'S DOING AND I JUST REALLY THINK THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN. AND THERE'S TONS OF COMMUNITY PHOTOS THAT ARE ALSO OUT THERE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AS WELL TO PUT ON THE, UM, WHERE YOU WANT TO HAVE PHOTOS. AND ONE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY COOL, MA'AM, MA'AM, MA'AM IS ED WOODLAWN. MA'AM, WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, MA'AM. OKAY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU URA. HELLO, MY NAME IS SUSAN SEGURA. UH, I LIVE AT TWO 18 SOUTH COLORADO. I'M A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER INVOLVED WITH, UM, SEVERAL COMMUNITY PROJECTS INCLUDING THE HAY STREET BRIDGE. I ALSO WORK AT ESPERANZA PEACE AND JUSTICE CENTER. [00:20:01] I WAS ONE OF THE FOLKS WHO HELPED TO SAVE AND I WAS THE MAIN PROJECT COORDINATOR THE LAST FEW YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT'S A, A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT'S ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, HISTORIC PLACES AND OWNED BY THE ESPERANZA. SO WE DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND, UM, I DO ALSO WANNA PROTEST THE BOARD'S DECISION TO CUT OUR TIME FROM THREE MINUTES TO TWO MINUTES ARBITRARILY. WE GENERALLY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. AND I THINK WHEN YOU SEE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE SIGNED UP, YOU KIND OF SCARE AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, NOT LISTENING TO US. AND IT'S ONLY A MINUTE. SO IF THERE'S EIGHT PEOPLE SIGNED UP, IT'S ONLY EIGHT MINUTES OF YOUR TIME. THIS HAPPENS A LOT. YOU KNOW, WE STRUGGLED WITH THE HAY STREET BRIDGE FOR YEARS AND IT HAPPENED TO US EVERY TIME WE WENT TO CITY HALL. EVERY TIME WE CAME TO HDRC. IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY. PEOPLE NEED TO BE HEARD. I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT TOGETHER THE SIGNAGE, BUT WE ARE THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS THE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE. Y'ALL COME AND GO. Y'ALL ARE HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT. YOU'RE GONE. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS WORK FOR 30 YEARS. WE HAVE THE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE. I SAY THAT TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ALL THE TIME. THEY'RE NEW, THEY COME IN, THEY HAVE A STEEP LEARNING CURVE, AND THEY HAVE TO LISTEN TO US. YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO US. WE ASK THAT YOU EITHER TABLE THE ITEM OR THAT THE APPLICANT OR I ASK THE APPLICANT THAT THEY REMOVE THE ITEM AND WITHDRAW IT SO THAT IT CAN BE REVIEWED AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. AND THEN, EDWARD, CAN YOU START PLAYING THE VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE? HELLO, MY NAME IS JEFFREY HANDLER AND MY ADDRESS IS 32 COURTSIDE CIRCLE 7 8 2. UH, ONE SIX. I'M CALLING REGARDING YOUR REQUEST NUMBER 2 0 2 4 3 1 2 6 9 HRDC. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 2 2 0. THE ADDRESS IS 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY STREET, KNOWN AS DAWSON PARK. I AM RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING AN INCURSION AND MENTION OF MANY YEARS OF HARD WORK DONE BY, UH, UH, BASS CONTRIBUTORS OF H DOUGLAS STEADMAN PE TO RESCUE AND REHABILITATION OF THE HAY STREET BRIDGE WILL BE ADDED TO THE DAWSON PARK SIGNAGE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN, FIRST VICE PRESIDENT CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, 1146 SOUTH ALAMO, TWO TEN TWO TWO FOUR SIX ONE SIX THREE. REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 7 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY STREET. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO STRONGLY URGES THE CITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE ON THE PARK'S INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE, THE SIGNIFICANT ROLE DOUGLAS STEADMAN PLAYED IN THE PRESERVATION OF THE STREET BRIDGE. MR. STEADMAN LED THE EFFORT TO DESIGNATE THE BRIDGE, A TEXAS HISTORIC CIVIL ENGINEERING LANDMARK IN 2001 AND HELP THE CITY SECURE $2.9 MILLION IN TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENT FUNDS TO RESTORE THE BRIDGE AS A HIKE AND BIKE ROUTE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. UH, THIS IS KATHLEEN TRENCHARD AT 1 0 5 NORTH JOSEPHINE TOBIN DRIVE 7 8 2 0 1. UH, I'M SPEAKING ON THE, UH, HAY STREET BRIDGE, UH, PROPOSED PLAQUE OR HISTORIC MARKER. UH, I'M NOT SURE WHICH, UM, AGENDA NUMBER THAT IS, BUT I DID SERVE WITH DOUG STEADMAN ON THE HAY STREET BRIDGE RESTORATION COMMITTEE. AND I CAN SAY THAT DOUG SAVED THE HAY STREET BRIDGE WITH HIS ENGINEERING AND HIS RESEARCHING SKILLS COMBINED WITH HIS PASSION FOR THE BRIDGE. HE WAS ALWAYS THE GUIDING FORCE FOR ITS SUCCESS, SUCCESSFUL RESTORATION, AND HE KNEW A PRATT FROM A WHIPPLE TRUST. HIS NAME AND HIS CONTRIBUTION SHOULD BE NOTED ON ANY PLAQUE OR HISTORIC MARKER REGARDING THE HAY STREET BRIDGE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS AND YOUR SERVICE AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. THANK YOU. ON THIS, THIS IS KEN STRU, A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER HERE IN SAN ANTONIO WITH ATECH CONSULTANTS. WE'RE LOCATED AT 9 0 9 NORTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10, SUITE 900 SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO OH NINE. MY CELL PHONE IS TWO TEN TWO SEVEN FIVE NINE TWO TWO FIVE. [00:25:01] I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO REQUEST 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 1 2 6 9. LOCATED AT 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY. IN REGARDS TO THE DAWSON PARK BRIDGE SIGNAGE, I'M CALLING TO REQUEST THAT CONSIDERATION BE MADE TO ACKNOWLEDGE MR. DOUG STEADMAN'S EFFORTS TO HAVE THE HAYES STREET BRIDGE RESTORED. AS A MEMBER OF THE SAN ANTONIO BRANCH OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CIVIL ENGINEERS, MR. STEADMAN LED THE CHARGE TO HAVE THE BRIDGE RESTORED. MR. STEADMAN RECOGNIZED THAT HISTORICAL SIGN SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BRIDGE. THE HAYES STREET BRIDGE IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT UTILIZES TWO DIFFERENT TRUS SYSTEMS WITHIN ITS DESIGN. ONE OF THE SPANS OF THE BRIDGE CONSISTS OF A PRATT THROUGH TRUSS, AND THE SECOND SPAN UTILIZES A WHIPPLE PHOENIX TRUSS. IT IS MY OPINION WITHOUT MR. STEADMAN'S LEADERSHIP, THIS BRIDGE WOULD NO LONGER BE PART OF SAN ANTONIO'S HISTORY. THEREFORE, I SINCERELY BELIEVE THIS MATTER WARRANTS THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS KITTY HENDERSON. I AM BOARD PRESIDENT OF THE HISTORIC BRIDGE FOUNDATION, LOCATED AT 1500 PAYNE AVENUE IN AUSTIN. I'M COMMENTING ON REQUEST NUMBER 3 1 2 6 9 FOR 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY, THE SIGNAGE IN THE HAYES STREET BRIDGE PARK. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING THE PARK SIGNAGE. MR. DOUG STEADMAN WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN SAVING THE HAY STREET BRIDGE AND IN THE ACQUISITION OF THE PARK LAND. THEREFORE, HIS EFFORTS SHOULD BE NOTED IN THE SIGNAGE AND SEVERAL QUOTES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THOSE SIGNS FROM MR. STEADMAN. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS MARCY, N 30 IMPERIAL WAY, 7 8 2 4 8 MARCY N 30 IMPERIAL WAY. I I WAS A CO-FOUNDER OF THE HAS HISTORY BRIDGE RESTORATION GROUP AND FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. I BECAME INVOLVED WITH THE BRIDGE AND FELL IN LOVE WITH IT BECAUSE OF ONE PERSON, DOUGLAS STEADMAN. HE RELENTLESSLY PURSUED ME TO BECOME INVOLVED BEFORE THEY DO THE UNCONSCIONABLE DEMOLITION. DOUGLAS IS THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE BRIDGE. HE LED THE DESIGNATION AS A TEXAS HISTORICAL CIVIL ENGINEERING LANDMARK BY RAISING FUNDS AND ADVOCACY. IF YOU LOOK AT HIS OBITUARY, YOU'LL FIND A HUMBLE, HIGHLY EDUCATED MAN WHO UNDERSTOOD THE UNIQUE VALUE OF THE BRIDGE. IN 2002, DOUGLASS RECEIVED THE HERO AWARD FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY FOR HIS WORK PASSION AND VISION FOR THE BRIDGE. WE ARE BEYOND OUTRIGHT THAT NO MENTION OF HIS NAME IS ON THE SIGNAGE, A GLARING, AN UNFORGIVABLE OVERSIGHT THAT MUST BE CORRECTED. THE NEIGHBOR HAD PLAYED A VERY MINOR ROLE COMPARED TO DOUGLAS, WHO WAS THE DRIVING FORCE TO MOTIVATE US TO TAKE ACTION. IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED EXCEPT FOR HIM. THE FOLLOWING QUOTE SHOULD BE INSERTED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE MONUMENT SECTION OF THE PARK SIGNAGE THAT ADDRESSES THE TRUSSES IN THE BRIDGE DESIGN. THE LONGER WHIPPLE PHOENIX TRUSSES ARE NOT ONLY RARE, BUT THEY AND THE PRATT TRUSSES OF THE SHORTER BRIDGE SPAN WERE BUILT IN 1881 OF WR IRON, WHICH PREDATES BY EIGHT YEARS. EIFFEL TOWER OF WR IRON IN PARIS, FRANCE. THESE AGENT TRUSSES DESERVE NOT ONLY PRESERVATION, BUT ALSO ARE ADMIRATION AND RESPECT. DOUGLAS STEADMAN STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. DOUGLAS IS A HERO. HE MUST NOT BE FORGOTTEN. HE IS THE SAVIOR OF THE BRIDGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. UH, THIS IS PATRICK SPARKS, UH, SPARKS ENGINEERING 9 33 NORTH FLORIDA STREET, SAN ANTONIO. I'M CALLING IN REGARD TO THE HAY STREET BRIDGE PARK INTERPRETIVE SIGNS FOR THE PROPOSED DAWSON PARK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITEM IT IS. THIS IS THAT, UH, DOUG STEADMAN SHOULD BE LISTED FIRST AND FOREMOST AS HE WAS THE ONE PERSON WITHOUT WHICH THIS BRIDGE WOULD'VE BEEN LOST. AND WE SHOULD HONOR THE MAN WHO MADE THE PROJECT POSSIBLE. UH, IT, THERE'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF ABOUT THE SIGNED TEXT THAT I THINK NEEDS SOME WORK. IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, THROUGH PRELIMINARY PROBABLY PER REVIEW. I'VE MADE SOME OTHER COMMENTS. I'VE SENT THOSE IN WRITING. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE DOUG STEADMAN HONORED IN THESE, UH, SIGNS. BYE. HI, MY NAME IS STEVEN BRADFORD DAVIS. I LIVE AT 67TH 14 MEADOW ROAD IN DALLAS. I LIVED AND WORKED IN SAN ANTONIO FOR 50 YEARS AND WILL [00:30:01] RETIRE BACK THERE SOON. UM, I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, REQUEST NUMBER 3 1 2 6 9. REGARDING 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY DAWSON PARK. UM, I'VE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE PACKAGE AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE GOOD WORK DONE BY THE TEAM THAT PREPARED IT AS WELL AS YOU KNOW, THE WORK OF THE, OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. HOWEVER, I'M SADDENED THAT THERE'S NO MENTION OF THE EFFORTS OF DOUG STEADMAN IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT LANGUAGE BE ADDED TO RECOGNIZE DOUG AS BEING ABSOLUTELY KEY IN SAVING THE BRIDGE AND ULTIMATELY THE CREATION OF THE PARK. MR. STEADMAN IS RECOGNIZED IN THE ENGINEERING COMMUNITY AS ONE OF THE BEST STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS FROM SAN ANTONIO IN THE REGION. HE LED W SIMPSON COMPANY AS ITS PRESIDENT FOR MANY YEARS, AND HE WAS A MENTOR TO MYSELF AND MANY OTHER ENGINEERS OUT OF SAN ANTONIO. HE RECOGNIZED THE HAY STREET BRIDGE FOR HIS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE IN THE FIELD OF STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING. AND HE WENT ON TO SPEND UNTOLD HOURS WORKING TO SPREAD THE WORD TO SAVE THE BRIDGE. I'D LIKE TO SAY THERE'S VERY LITTLE CHANCE THE PARK AND BRIDGE WOULD EVEN EXIST TODAY WITHOUT HIS PASSION AND DEDICATION. SO I FEEL HE DESERVES TO BE SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZED IN THE NEW SIGNAGE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. HELLO, THIS IS VALERIE CORTES CALLING ON BEHALF OF DIG WITTY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF CASE NUMBER HDRC 2024 DASH TWO 20, LOCATED AT 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY. REGARDING SIGNAGE, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE SO THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CAN MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS TO REVIEW THESE SIGNAGE PLANS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT TO YOU TODAY. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. UM, MR. CHAIR, WE ALSO HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM THREE THAT CAME IN AFTER THE POSTED DEADLINE. UM, IT'S JUST ONE. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PLAY IT OR TASK? UM, PLAY IT PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU. THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN, FIRST VICE PRESIDENT CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, 1146 SOUTH ALAMO TWO TEN TWO TWO FOUR SIX ONE SIX THREE. REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 3 9800 AIRPORT BOULEVARD, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH DEMOLISHES THE SAN ANTONIO AIRPORT BADGE AND ID BUILDING THE MID-CENTURY. MODERN STRUCTURE FEATURES AN EXQUISITELY DESIGNED WAVELIKE FOLDED PLATE ROOF, THE SMALL SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE AND ITS LOCATION AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED TERMINAL. AND GATES SUGGEST IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THE DESIGN. WOULD IT NOT BE SIMPLER FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONSERVE THE STRUCTURE, ALLOWING MORE PEOPLE TO APPRECIATE IT THAN GO TO THE GREAT EXPENSE OF LEVEL ONE HABS DOCUMENTATION PLUS 3D MODELING AND VIDEOGRAPHY. THE APPLICANT PROVIDES NO SPECIFIC RATIONALE FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE. BASED ON THE MAPS PROVIDED, IT SEEMS POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE STRUCTURE WITHIN THE PARKING AND OR TERMINAL BAGGAGE AREA WITH MINIMAL CHANGE TO THE ROADWAY. WE TRUST THAT A MORE COMPLETE RATIONALE WILL BE PROVIDED DURING THE SECTION 1 0 6 REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH INSTRUCTS APPLICANTS TO QUOTE, BE FLEXIBLE AND SEEK CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT MEET PROJECT NEEDS WHILE AVOIDING OR MINIMIZING IMPACTS TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES. THANK YOU. YES, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO PULL AGENDA ITEM THREE AND THEN, UH, OH, WHAT WAS THE ITEM? SEVEN? YES, ITEM SEVEN AS WELL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ITEMS? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER 10. THANK YOU. ITEMS THREE, SEVEN, AND 10. ANY OTHER ITEMS? NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ITEMS NUMBER 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8 9 WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. STA SECOND. SECOND. BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SENO? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GIDA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK [00:35:01] YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, YOUR ADDRESS IS DOUGLAS WAY BETWEEN SOUTH OLIVE AND SOUTH PINE, 300 NORTH MAIN THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S FIVE 17 WIGS, FIVE 19 EAST JOSEPHINE 26 0 2 NORTH FLORES, AND 5 0 2 EAST DEWEY. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] AND WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. NOW, WELL ACTUALLY, MR. CHAIR, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF SAVING FOLKS SOME TIME, I BELIEVE CITY STAFF IS GONNA REQUEST A CONTINUANCE FOR ITEM SEVEN. AND SO I, I DON'T WANT FOLKS TO SIT HERE THROUGH ITEM THREE IF, IF THAT'S THE OUTCOME. AND SO I WOULD INVITE ERIC RENA TO COME UP AND POTENTIALLY DO THAT NOW. IT WAS OUR YA SORRY. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. LISTENING, UH, TO, UM, THIS CASE. AND, OH, EXCUSE ME. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, SIR. OH, ERIC RENA, PROJECT MANAGER, PARKS AND RECREATION. THANKS. I'M, GO AHEAD, INTRODUCE THE TEAM. WE'VE GOT 24 SAGE ASSISTANT MANAGER WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. WE'VE GOT TARA LINDBERGH WITH DUNAWAY ASSOCIATES, OUR CONSULTANT, AND WE HAVE SEAN DUNCAN, PROJECT MANAGER WITH, UH, PUBLIC WORKS. AND SO I DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME THIS MORNING REGARDING, UH, THIS ITEM. UH, WE DID HEAR AND RECEIVE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. WE WANNA MAKE THE BEST, UH, SIGNAGE PACKAGE WE CAN. SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. FOR MR. RENA? YES. UM, DURING THAT CONTINUANCE, WILL YOU BE REVISING THE TEXT AND ALSO PERHAPS INCLUDING COMMUNITY MEMBERS AFTERWARDS TO REVIEW? AND THAT IS, THAT IS THE STRATEGY WE'RE GONNA DO. SO WE DID RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS ON SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES WITH THE SIGNAGE. SO SOME FONT STUFF, SOME, SOME, UM, CLARIFICATIONS ON TEXTS. WE WILL MAKE THOSE RE UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGES. UH, WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE, UH, OMISSION OF MR. STEADMAN WAS AN OVERSIGHT THAT WE NEED TO GET IN THIS. AND SO WE ARE SUPER APPRECIATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY COMING OUT AND REMINDING US OF THAT. SO WE'RE GONNA TACKLE THAT AND WE WILL WORK WITH THEM DIRECTLY ON THOSE UPDATES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR? YES, GO AHEAD, SIR. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. UM, SO WHO PUT THE SIGNAGE TOGETHER? WAS THAT ONLY CITY OR WAS THAT WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY WHO PUT IT TOGETHER PRIMARILY? SO WE HAD A, A, A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS ON IT, BUT PRIMARILY THE PACKAGE WAS PUT TOGETHER BY OUR DESIGN CONSULTANTS BASED ON, BASED ON WHAT TARA WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO? WE DID, WE DID SOME RESEARCH AND WE WERE, I'D SAY DEFINITELY I'M, I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR EVERYONE BRINGING US TO OUR ATTENTION, BUT WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THIS PACKAGE TOGETHER, WE WERE TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT DIDN'T HAVE, BECAUSE AT THE VERY BEGINNING, WE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT VOICES, SO WE WERE CONCERNED WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THEM ALL AND SOMEONE WOULD FEEL LEFT OUT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE PEOPLE, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED DOUG STEADMAN AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SURE. BUT WE DID HAVE, SORRY, WE DID HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WE PRESENTED THIS PACKAGE TO THEM IN JANUARY AND WE MADE CHANGES BASED ON COMMENTS WE RECEIVED THEN. AND I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU THIS AT THE BEGINNING. NO, NO, NO. YOUR NAME AND, UH, SARAH LINBERG WITH DUNAWAY ASSOCIATES. OKAY. I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN WHO WAS ENGAGED WHEN THE SIGNAGE WAS PUT TOGETHER? YOU ALREADY HIT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT CAN YOU EXPAND A LITTLE MORE? UM, LIKE THE, AS FAR AS NEIGHBORHOOD, AS FAR AS COMMUNITY GROUPS, AS FAR AS, YEAH. UH, SO WE HAD, UH, LET ME GO TO MY, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UH, OPTIONS ON TRYING TO GET, UH, INPUT. SO WE DID HAVE AN OFFICIAL PROJECT MEETING IN JANUARY TO DISCUSS THE SIGNAGE. UH, AND THEN THAT, PRIOR TO THAT WE HAD AN ONSITE ACTIVATION EVENT WITH THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE DID THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DID A MOVIE IN THE PARK AND INVITED THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO COME OVER AND WE TOOK SOME COMMENT FROM THEM AS WELL. UH, AND THEN DURING THE PROCESS OF THE MEETING, THE PROJECT IN GENERAL, WE HAD A, A PROJECT MEETING AS WELL WITH THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HOPEFULLY CAN ADDRESS. SO, UM, JUST TWO MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY ARE GONNA RECORD, THEY'RE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE. SO WE, WE BRINGING THIS UP AGAIN? WHEN OR WHEN THEY COME BACK. SO, BUT GO AHEAD, SIR. WRAPPING UP. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, AND TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, I'M NOT SURE WHO CAN ADDRESS THIS QUESTION, [00:40:01] BUT, UM, HOW MUCH MORE, UM, SHOULD BE ADDED IDEALLY TO THE SIGNAGE THAT EXISTS? I THINK THE WHOLE PACKAGE. COME UP TO THE MIC, PLEASE. YOU WANNA DO IT, AMY? AND, AND KEEP THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THE WHOLE PACKAGE NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED. UH, THE NOT ONLY TECHNICAL INFORMATION, BUT THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION ALL NEEDS TO BE EDITED AND REVIEWED. YOU KNOW, THEY SAID THEY CONTACTED THE COMMUNITY, ALL THEY HAD TO DO IS GOOGLE HAY STREET BRIDGE, AND THERE'S A TON OF WRITTEN THINGS THEY CAN CALL ME. I'LL GIVE 'EM ALL THE DAD'S FILES. UM, AND, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, THERE, THERE'S A LOT THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TAKING OUT. I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MUCH TEXT IS PUT IN THERE, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT THAT COULD BE TAKEN OUT. SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT. YES. THANK YOU. GREAT CHAIR. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YES, YES. I'D JUST LIKE TO ALSO COMMENT THAT THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY SAW THE SIGNAGE AS IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU WAS, UH, LAST WEEK. THAT, THAT, UH, NO ONE SAW THE COMPLETED SIGNAGE, UH, ANY EARLIER THAN THAT. UH, SO THAT THERE WAS NOT SUFFICIENT TIME FOR REALLY EFFECTIVE FEEDBACK. THANKS. GREAT. MR. CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES MY, UH, QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CHAIR. MR. CHAIR. I, A QUICK QUESTION. ONE MORE, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A CASE OF CYA. I'VE TALKED TO MR. REYNA ON THE PHONE SEVERAL TIMES AND ASKED HIM, I GAVE HIM, GAVE, UH, THE CITY A LIST OF NAMES WHEN WE HAD OUR, UH, FORMATIVE MEETINGS OF PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE INTERVIEWED WHO KNEW THE HISTORY AND NO CONTACT AT ALL. SO, I, I JUST DON'T, YOU CAN'T BELIEVE IT WHAT THE, THE, THE CITY IS SAYING. I'M SORRY ABOUT THIS VERBIAGE. WE, WE WENT TO ALL OF THE MEETINGS WE WENT TO, BUT THERE WAS NEVER A FINAL DRAFT TO PRESENT IT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. YOU KNOW, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT HE'S SAYING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS APPROVED AND IT WAS NOT. SO I'M, THIS IS A BIG CASE OF CYA. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CES? YES. VERY QUICKLY TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUT LIKE A QR CODE OR EXPAND UPON, UH, SOME OF THE DATA THAT WAS, WAS MENTIONED HERE IN AN EFFORT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE, UH, REWRITING THIS OR REVIEWING THE ENTIRE PACKAGE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO, MAKE IT MAYBE A VIRTUAL, UH, INTERACTION? UH, AS FAR AS PART OF THE, UH, OUTREACH DOING A QR CODE OR INCLUDING QR CODES IN THE SIGN? WELL, LIKE PART OF THE SIGN YEAH. LIKE INCLUDED SOMETHING IN THE SIGNAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO EXPAND UPON IT AND MAYBE DEEP DIVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA FIND OUT MORE ABOUT MR. SEDMAN INSTEAD OF, UH, IN ADDITION TO MENTIONING HIM, YOU CAN KIND OF PUT SOME, SOME MORE DATA IN THERE AND NO, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND, AND I RECOGNIZE, UH, THE NEED FOR THAT, PARTICULARLY WHEN THERE ARE LOTS OF STORIES TO BE TOLD IN A LIMITED SPACE OF SIGNAGE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO TELL THAT STORY. AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE A LINK SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LEARN MORE, UM, I WOULD SAY WE'LL HAVE TO JUST INVESTIGATE BECAUSE, UH, THE, THE ONLY THING PROFESSIONALLY I'VE EXPERIENCED WITH QR CODES IS THEY DO NEED TO BE MAINTAINED. AND SO OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, YOU'D HATE FOR A QR CODE TO BE ON A SIGN THAT MIGHT GO TO A HYPERLINK THAT'S NO LONGER ACTIVE. UM, SO WE JUST NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THOSE THINGS. RIGHT. I THINK IN CONCEPT, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST ASKING CONCEPTUALLY, SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO NO, I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE A SUGGESTION, UM, REGARDING THAT, MA'AM. UM, MA'AM, I'LL, I'LL ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK, BUT COME TO THE MIC PLEASE. THANK YOU. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF Y'ALL GO TO WOODLAND LAKE, BUT AT WOODLAND LAKE THEY HAVE A DIGITAL SIGN. I THINK IT'S CALLED AN IKE. IT WAS IN, IN MY PRESENTATION THAT I DIDN'T GET TO CONTINUE LIKE THE KIOSK. THAT'S IT. EXACTLY. YEP. SO RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE STORYTELLING AREA, THAT WOULD JUST BE AN AMAZING PLACE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT DIGITAL SIGN THAT COULD PROVIDE WIFI, IT COULD PROVIDE PEOPLE TAKING THEIR OWN PHOTOS WITH, HEY, STREET BRIDGE IN THE BACK. YOU COULD INCLUDE A LOT OF OTHER HISTORICAL INFORMATION. YOU GET PEOPLE TO GIVE THEIR OWN TESTIMONIALS AND SEND THEM TO THE CITY ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE. ON THE EAST SIDE, IT'S, I JUST SAW IT RECENTLY. I HADN'T BEEN HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AND I JUST SAW RECENTLY AT WOODLAND LAKE AND I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY AWESOME. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY HAS A WONDERFUL POSSIBILITY TO BE INCLUDED, ESPECIALLY WITH TOURISTS THAT WILL GO, WANT TO GO AND SEE THIS PARK, WANNA GO TO HAY STREET BRIDGE, TAKE THEIR PHOTOS, HASHTAG IT. LIKE I THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT, UM, ADDITION TO GET MORE HISTORICAL INFORMATION, TO GET MORE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT ALL OF THESE IMPORTANT PEOPLE. AND I KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THE SENSITIVITY THAT THEY WANTED TO EXPRESS WITH NOT INCLUDING CERTAIN NAMES OR [00:45:01] PEOPLE. 'CAUSE PEOPLE WILL GET THEIR FEELINGS HURT. BUT THIS WAS SUCH A WONDERFUL STORY AND IT WAS SUCH A WONDERFUL WIN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THEY'RE RECOGNIZED AND THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN THE IMPORTANCE OF THE EAST SIDE, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RAILROAD, THE IMPORTANCE OF ALL THAT HISTORY. THANK YOU. BUT I DO GOTTA REMIND YOU TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE DIGITAL SIGNAGE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION. IS THAT CORRECT STAFF? WELL, DO Y'ALL WANNA VOTE ON IT NOW? NO, NO, NO MAAM. WHO SAID, WHO SAYS YES? I MEAN, I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE YOU SAID, THAT TO COME, THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL SITUATION. OF COURSE. I'M WITH YOU. YEAH. I MEAN THIS, THIS BEING HERE, I REMEMBER BEING IN THIS ROOM, MR. CHAIRMAN BEING TOLD THAT IT I GONNA HAPPEN. MA'AM, MA'AM, ONE MOMENT PLEASE. THIS IS THE KIND OF DETAIL THAT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY HAPPEN AT A PUBLIC INPUT MEETING. ABSOLUTELY. BUT THIS, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO MUCH INTO DISCUSSION IF THIS ITEM'S NOT GONNA BE ACTED ON TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK FOR LETTING ME SAY SOMETHING. MM-HMM, . UM, AND THANK YOU, SIR. SO, UM, WE'RE GOING, UM, DO A VOTE NOW TO, UM, FOR YOUR CONTINUANCE. SO DO WE NEED A MOTION TO A MOTION PLEASE? YES. I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS, UM, SO THAT IT ALLOWS THE CITY SUFFICIENT TIME TO MEET WITH THE PUBLIC REDRAFT, UM, UH, EVERYTHING BASED ON ALL OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND RETURN TO HDRC. YES. FOR FINAL SECOND. MR. MR. CHAIR? YES. CAN WE HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE OR TIMEFRAME? I THINK THAT SPECIFIC DATE IS CONTINGENT UPON THE APPLICANT'S SCHEDULE AND COMPLETION. YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT. UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I KNOW THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETINGS THE 17TH, BUT IN ORDER TO COORDINATE MEETINGS, AND THAT TAKES SOME TIME. SO WE'D LIKE A LITTLE TIME TO FIGURE OUT THAT TIMELINE. WOULD THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST BE I THINK WHAT, WHAT IF IT WAS TO BE SCHEDULED IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT? YES. THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. THAT THAT WOULD BE, YEAH. THIS, I'M GO AHEAD AND STATE THAT IN THE MOTION PLEASE. MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THE CITY OFFICES CAN MEET WITH THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW, UM, TEXT SIGNAGE CHANGES AND TO TAKE FEEDBACK AND TO MEET FOR A FINAL APPROVAL OR FOR A FINAL REVIEW. UM, AT THE MOST, UH, MOST IMMEDIATE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THE MASS IMMEDIATE TIME. YEAH. IMMEDIATELY AFTER. YES. SECOND CONCUR. SECOND CONCURS. THANK YOU. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SAV AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA. AYE. GIDA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS 9,800 AIRPORT BOULEVARD. UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, INDIVIDUALS FROM THE APPLICANT TEAM HERE. UM, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN DIRECT, UH, THOSE TO THEM. UM, ALSO IF YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO READ EITHER THE REQUEST OR RECOMMENDATION LANGUAGE INTO THE RECORD, WE COULD DO THAT. PLEASE LET ME KNOW. UM, PLEASE READ THE RECOMMENDATION INTO THE RECORD. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH I, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT MITIGATION STRATEGIES OUTLINED IN THE MOA ARE FOLLOWED AS NOTED IN FINDING F. UH, AND I CAN, UH, ENLARGE FINDING F HERE ON THE SCREEN. OR, UH, WE COULD HAVE AIRPORT STAFF PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THAT. YEAH. TIM, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND COME UP. UM, I BELIEVE THERE IS A PRESENTATION, SO HE'LL INTRODUCE THOSE. THAT'LL BE SPEAKING. UM, YEAH. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR CLEARING OUT MY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME'S TIM CROMLEY. I'M DEPUTY DIRECTOR OVER PLANNING, ENGINEERING AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S AVIATION DEPARTMENT. VERY EXCITED TO HEAR TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN A LONG TIME IN THE MAKING. JUST A LITTLE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE. SO THE SAN ANTONIO AIRPORT OBVIOUSLY IS A LARGE ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR NOT ONLY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT THE REGION AS WELL. WE STARTED ON THIS JOURNEY BACK IN 2018. WE DID THE FIRST PHASE OF THE MASTER PLAN WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO DO MASTER PLANS ABOUT EVERY 10 YEARS THROUGH THE FAA. AND REALLY, ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ASK WAS, WAS THE SAN ANTONIO AIRPORT IN THE RIGHT SPOT FOR THE NEXT 50, 60, 70 YEARS? THE FIRST PHASE, ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITH A DEFINITIVE YES, IT WAS. SO THEN WE HAD TO GO TO THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH WAS FINISHED IN 2021. WE BROUGHT IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE HAD OVER 100,000 TOUCHES IN THE COMMUNITY THROUGH PUBLIC EVENTS, [00:50:01] OUTREACHES THAT BACKED THIS PLAN. SO FROM THAT IT SAID WE WERE GROWING THE REGION'S, OBVIOUSLY GROWING IN THE DEMANDS OF THE TRAVELING PUBLIC NEEDED TO BE MET IN SAN ANTONIO. SO FROM THAT WE STARTED WITH AN ADVANCED TERMINAL PLAN, WHICH KIND OF DEFINE WHAT WOULD THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE. AND IT IS A PROGRAM 'CAUSE IT'S MORE THAN JUST A TERMINAL. IT'S ENABLING PROJECTS, ROADWAY WORK, A LOT OF WORK THAT, UM, WOULD FIX ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE AT THE, THE AIRPORT TODAY. SO FROM THAT, THEN WE DEVELOP THE PROGRAM, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN JUST A SECOND. BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM'S BEEN IN, IN THE WORKS FOR QUITE A WHILE. IT'S GOT THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. UH, WE'VE FORMED COMMITTEES LIKE THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION, THE A SDC, LED BY BUSINESS LEADERS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND OF COURSE OUR STAKEHOLDERS AT THE AIRPORT, WHICH INCLUDE THE AIRLINES. EVERYONE HAS TO BUY OFF ON THAT. IT'S ALSO RUN THROUGH, SINCE WE'RE AN AIRPORT, WE DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW A LOT OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, NOT ONLY HOW WE OPERATE AN AIRPORT, BUT HOW WE DESIGN AND THEN ULTIMATELY BUILD OUR, OUR FACILITIES OUT THERE. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA, UM, TURN IT OVER TO OUR LEAD ARCHITECT, JOHN TRIANO, WITH CORGAN TO ACTUALLY WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROGRAM ITSELF. WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. GOOD MORNING. I'M JOHN TRPI WITH CORGAN ASSOCIATE ARCHITECTS. I'M THE LEAD PLANNER AND ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT. UM, TIM DID A GREAT JOB OF KIND OF SETTING UP HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE FIRST START ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OF THE AIRPORT? WHAT DEFINES WHAT THE NEW TERMINAL NEEDS TO BE? AND TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH THAT TIM WAS DESCRIBING. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE START TO EVALUATE. WE START LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE AREA AVAILABLE FOR US TO BUILD UPON, UM, UTILIZING THE, THE NEEDS OF THE AIRPORT. SO THE AIRPORT CAME TO US AND SAID, WE NEED TO GROW. WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO GROW. AND THAT PROVED TO US THAT THEY NEEDED A 17 GATE CONCOURSE. UM, AND THAT CONCOURSE IS DESIGNED TO GIVE US ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL PASSENGER HOLD ROOMS, TOILETS, ALL THE FUNCTIONS THAT WE NEED TO, TO, TO PROCESS PASSENGERS THROUGH THAT FACILITY. SO WE START WITH LOOKING AT AN AERIAL PROPERTY MAP LIKE THIS AND SAY, USING THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE FAA GUIDELINES, THE SPACE REQUIRED TO MANEUVER THE AIRCRAFT AND, AND SAFETY MEASURES, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT REAL ESTATE IS AVAILABLE FOR US TO GET THIS NEW BUILDING IN THERE? IF YOU ADVANCE TO THE NEXT ONE, THIS IS FOR THE NEW TERMINAL. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND YOU CAN START TO SEE THAT THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY DEFINED BY SOME OF THOSE PARAMETERS THAT WE DESCRIBED, UM, THAT HAVE OFFSETS FROM EXISTING RUNWAYS, TAXIWAYS, AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE MANEUVERABILITY OF THE DIFFERENT SIZE AIRCRAFT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THIS PARTICULAR TERMINAL. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ACCOMMODATING IS THE GROWTH OF TRANSATLANTIC FLIGHT, WHICH JUST STARTED HERE AT SAN ANTONIO, WHICH REQUIRES A, UH, ACCOMMODATING A LARGER AIRCRAFT THAN THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE IT. MOST OF THE FACILITY TODAY. UM, BEYOND THOUGH THE NEW TERMINAL, WHICH DOES CONNECT DIRECTLY TO TERMINAL B AND TO TERMINAL A, THERE ARE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON, ON SOME LATER SLIDES THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. THIS NEW FACILITY WILL REQUIRE AN EXPANSION OF THE CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT. IT ALSO REQUIRES WHAT IS KNOWN AS A, UH, A NEW REFRIGERATOR. THIS IS HOW WE DISPOSE OF LAVATORY WASTE FROM AIRCRAFT. ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO HAVE CERTAIN PROXIMITY TO THE TERMINAL. AND THESE ARE COMPONENTS THAT WE LOOK, LOOK AT WHEN WE START TO EVALUATE THE OVERALL TERMINAL DESIGN AS WE GO FORWARD INTO WHAT THE CONCEPTUAL FLOOR PLANS ARE. WE CAN LOOK AT THIS FROM TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS. THE TWO PRIMARY LEVELS OF THE FACILITY, THE, THE FIRST IS WHAT WE'LL SAY IS THE LOWER LEVEL. THIS IS TRADITIONALLY CALLED THE ARRIVALS LEVEL BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THE BAG CLAIMS ARE AT. UM, THE BAG CLAIMS REPRESENT JUST A SMALL PORTION OF WHAT GOES ON ON THIS FLOOR. SINCE THIS NEW TERMINAL'S DESIGNED TO BE AN INTERNATIONAL FACILITY, IT WILL ALSO HAVE THE INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS, THE CUSTOMS AND FEDERAL INSPECTION SERVICES LOCATED HERE, AS WELL AS ALL OF THAT BACK OF HOUSE BUSINESS THAT A LOT OF, UH, TRAVELERS DON'T EVER GET TO SEE HOW YOUR BAGS ARE SCREENED AND DELIVERED OUT TO THE AIRCRAFT WHERE ALL THE RAMP SUPPORT WORKERS ARE, ARE HOUSED. THAT MAKES UP THE MAJORITY OF WHAT GOES ON ON THE LOWER LEVEL OF A TERMINAL LIKE THIS. UM, ON THE NEXT LEVEL WE HAVE, OH, I DON'T HAVE THAT DEPARTURES LEVEL. UM, THE DEPARTURES LEVEL THOUGH IS THE, THE PRIMARY LEVEL THAT MOST OF US ARE USED TO SEEING. THAT IS WHERE THE TICKET HALL IS AT. THAT'S WHERE THE SECURITY SCREENING CHECKPOINT AS WELL AS THE, UM, AS ALL OF THE GATE LOUNGES AND HOLD ROOMS. AND THAT FOR THIS NEW TERMINAL WILL HAVE DIRECT CONNECTIVITY TO TERMINAL B, BOTH LANDSIDE THE NON-SECURE SIDE AND AIRSIDE, WHICH IS FOR PASSENGERS THAT HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE SECURITY SCREENING PROCESS. UM, ONE OF THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT TRAVEL THROUGH THIS AIRPORT, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS, IS THAT THE EXISTING ROADWAY SYSTEM, THE CURBSIDE, THE ELEVATED ROADS WHERE WE'RE DROPPED OFF AND PICKED UP EXISTS TODAY. IT WAS BUILT, UM, A DECADE AGO [00:55:01] WHEN, WHEN THE TERMINAL B EXPANSION WAS DONE, THE ORIGINAL TERMINAL B WAS BUILT. AND SO THAT DOES SET ONE OF THOSE CONTROLLING LIMITS FOR US AS WE START TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN SHAPE AND WORK WITH THIS EXISTING FACILITY. UM, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS FROM, UM, A PERSPECTIVE LIKE, LIKE THIS, WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT EXISTING ROADWAY OUT IN THE FOUR COURT, THIS LEADS TO THE MAIN ENTRANCES INTO THE BUILDING AND TO THE NEW TERMINAL PASSENGERS WILL PROCESS THROUGH THAT TICKET HALL THAT WE WERE DESCRIBING THROUGH THAT SECURITY CHECKPOINT AND ON OUT TO THE GATES AND ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS AS WE'VE DESCRIBED, BUILD UP TO DEFINE WHAT THAT BUILDING STARTS TO LOOK LIKE. SO I'M GONNA HAND THIS OVER TO, UM, MR. DAVID FOOL WHO WILL GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR, UH, FAA AND NEPA COORDINATION PROCESSES. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DAVE FULL. I'M WITH RSNH, AND I AM THE CONSULTANT, UH, WORKING ON THE, UH, ENTITLEMENT PROCESS FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. SO WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU JOHN TALKED ABOUT IT'S NOT JUST A TERMINAL. THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPONENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN HERE. AND WE ARE PREPARING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT BECAUSE THE FAA HAS TO PROVIDE APPROVAL. THIS IS A FEDERAL PROCESS. AND SO WE ARE DOING THAT. WE ARE PREPARING THAT, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT NOW. AND IN DOING THAT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE CONNECTED ACTIONS. IT'S NOT JUST A TERMINAL BUILDING, IT'S EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S INCLUDED. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT THERE. WE'VE IDENTIFIED EVERY PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR FOR THIS PROJECT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ONE OF THE, WE HAD A, A MEETING OUT AT THE AIRPORT WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, TO KIND OF WALK THEM THROUGH WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND ONE OF THE, THE QUESTIONS WAS, WHY DID WE NEED, WHAT, WHERE, WHERE CAN WE PUT OUR AIRCRAFT PARKING? THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES HERE AT THIS AIRPORT. WE HAVE WHAT ARE CALLED REMAIN OVERNIGHT PARKING. THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE AT THE GATES. AND WE HAVE A PUSH IN THE MORNING AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AIRCRAFT READY AND AVAILABLE TO MOVE INTO THOSE GATES. SO WE NEED PLACES FOR THOSE TO PARK. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS GRAPHIC ACTUALLY SHOWS YOU, ARE THE VARIOUS LOCATIONS WHERE WE CAN HAVE THAT AIRCRAFT PARKING THAT ARE NOT AT GATES, BUT ARE GONNA BE AVAILABLE RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST WAVE OF AIRCRAFT. ACTUALLY LEAVE THE GATES. NEXT SLIDE. AND WHAT THIS MEANS IS WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING 1322, WHICH IS THE BADGE AND ID BUILDING. UM, AND THAT BUILDING ACTUALLY IS MORE OR LESS IN THE WAY, IF YOU WILL, OF THE ROADWAY, THE SERVICE ROADWAY THAT NEEDS TO, UH, PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE LOADING DOCK FOR THE TERMINAL, AS WELL AS THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TERMINAL AND THE GROUND TRANSPORTATION CENTER. YOU CAN SEE THAT BADGING AND ID BUILDING THERE. IT'S IN RED, THE BLUE IS THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, WALKWAY, AND THE GRAY IS THE SERVICE ROAD. NOW, THE SERVICE ROAD HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, STANDARDS FOR, UH, FOUR ROADWAYS. AND THE PEDESTRIAN AXIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED FOR A DA COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING PASSENGERS FROM THE TERMINAL TO THE GROUND TRANSPORTATION CENTER. SO BUILDING 1322 IS WHAT, UH, IS THE ISSUE HERE WITH RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT IT HAS BEEN DEEMED ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. THE FAA MADE THAT DETERMINATION. AND, UH, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION HAS CONCURRED WITH THAT DETERMINATION. AND AS A RESULT OF, UM, THE POTENTIAL TO DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING, THE FAA ALSO CALLED THAT AN ADVERSE EFFECT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO SET THE SECTION 1 0 6 OF THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT PROCESS. SO WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES. COULD WE INCORPORATE THAT BUILDING INTO THE TERMINAL? COULD WE RELOCATE THAT BUILDING OR DO WE NEED TO DEMOLISH THOSE? SO WE LOOKED AT EACH ONE OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES IN DETAIL AND ACTUALLY, UH, LOOKED AT COULD WE ACTUALLY RELOCATE THE BUILDING? IS THAT POSSIBLE? AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT MAKES THIS DIFFICULT IS THAT BUILDING WAS ACTUALLY CAST IN PLACE. IT'S CONCRETE CAST IN PLACE, AND BEING ABLE TO MOVE THAT BUILDING IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO BECAUSE OF THAT. UM, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THAT BUILDING WOULD ACTUALLY REMAIN AFTER TRYING TO ACTUALLY RELOCATE THE BUILDING. WE DID ACTUALLY EXPLORE, UH, WORKED WITH, UH, A LOCAL, UH, PERSON WHO DOES MOVE BUILDINGS AND SAID, IS THIS POSSIBLE? AND HIS RESPONSE IS, WELL, OF COURSE WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE A BUILDING. RIGHT? UM, BUT HE, HE ACTUALLY QUOTED US A, A ABOUT $14.2 MILLION TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN IDENTIFYING WHERE THAT BUILDING WOULD ACTUALLY GO AS WELL. SO WE HAVE EXPLORED A WHOLE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, UH, OPTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, BUILDING 1322. AND WITH THAT, I'LL STOP AND I THINK [01:00:01] WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS. YEAH, IF YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING ELSE. AND THEN, UM, LATE YESTERDAY, WE HAD GOTTEN SOME COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND WE, UM, HAVE SOME CLARIFICATIONS AND ANSWERS TO THOSE THAT WE CAN HAND OUT. UH, AND IN ADDITION, JUST ONE MORE THING, IN ADDITION TO TALKING TO THE MOVER, WE, UH, DID TALK TO A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, NOT ONLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COULD THE BUILDING BE MOVED, COULD COMPONENTS OF IT BE SAVED? BUT EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO MOVE IT, WHAT WOULD BE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AFTERWARDS? AND, AND THE ABILITY OF MAYBE SOMEONE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT. AND, UH, SO THERE'S SOME FURTHER EXPLANATION ON THAT FROM THAT CONSULTANT AS WELL. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. WE'LL START WITH VICE CHAIR FETZER. YES. THANK YOU. UM, I WAS AT THE, UH, SITE VISIT AND I'LL MAKE A REPORT NOW. AND, UH, CHAIRMAN GIBBS WAS THERE AS WELL. UM, AND WHAT WE SAW WAS A VERY UNIQUE BUILDING. UM, IT WAS, IT IS APPEARS TO BE CAST IN PLACE CONCRETE. UH, IT WAS PART OF ONE OF THE EARLY, UH, AIRPORT EXPANSIONS BACK IN THE FIFTIES WHEN PRIVATE, UH, COMPANIES WERE CREATING THEIR OWN SMALL LITTLE TERMINALS, UH, FOR THEIR, UH, OWN USE. UM, IT HAS, UH, SOME VERY UNIQUE, UH, DETAILS. THE ROOFING, THE, THE COLUMNS, UH, THE, THE, UH, THERE'S LARGE PANELS OF TRAVERTINE STONE ON THE WALLS. UM, THERE'S AN INTERESTING LITTLE, UH, OCTAGONAL OR, UM, ROOM THAT, UH, PROJECTS OUT ONTO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. UM, IT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AS, UH, THE BADGING AND ID FACILITY FOR THE AIRPORT, UH, PERSONNEL. AND, UH, WE WERE GIVEN A TOUR AROUND THE BUILDING AND THROUGH THE BUILDING ITSELF. UM, THE, UH, DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ANY, UH, STRUCTURAL ISSUES TO THE BUILDING AT THIS TIME. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS FOR OFFICES IN THAT. UM, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, UM, THAT I HAD ON THE SITE WAS, UH, IT APPEARS TO BE, AND IF YOU COULD GO TO PLAN OR THE, THE SITE PLAN ON 84, PAGE 84 OF THE SUBMITTAL. YEP. UNFORTUNATELY, THE DRAWING CURRENTLY HAS IT SITTING ON A, UM, SERVICE ROAD. AND, UH, IT SEEMS UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS BUILDING IS, UH, PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED FOR SERVICE VEHICLES WHEN, UM, AND NOT TO BELITTLE OR DIMINISH WHAT THE STUDY HAS BEEN DONE HERE. UH, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT WITH SOME MORE STUDY, THE SERVICE ROAD COULD BE, UH, RECONFIGURED. THE, THE TWO NEW FACILITIES, THE, UH, TRIER AND THE, THERE'S A WATER STORAGE TANK COULD BE RECONFIGURED IN THIS GENERAL QUADRANT. AND THEN THE, UH, SERVICE, THE PUBLIC ACCESS ROAD COULD BE, UH, DIRECTED THROUGH THIS BUILDING SO THAT THAT COULD BE PART OF THE PUBLIC EXPERIENCE. SO, UM, THAT'S A LONG, UH, NOT MANY QUESTIONS IN THERE AS YET. UM, THERE IS SHOWN, UH, REMAIN OVERNIGHT PARKING ON THE SOUTH END OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, UM, AND WONDERING IF THAT IS PLANNED TO BE USED OR WHETHER THAT IS BEING TAKEN UP BY THE PARKING GARAGE. AND THAT SHOWS ON PLAN 34. SO THE, THE RON PARKING THAT WE SEE, WELL, LET'S, UH, IN THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE IS PLANNED TO BE USED. IT IS, IT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THIS NEW TERMINAL SITS WILL BE PLACED ON TOP OF A LOT OF THE EXISTING RON SPACES THAT THE AIRPORT CURRENTLY HAS. SO WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT. IT JUST DISPLACES IT. UM, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THAT LOCATION THAT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE AS WELL, IS THAT IT WILL BE ONE OF THE FEW THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE WIDE BODY AIRCRAFT. UM, WE SEE THAT HERE, THAT, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR [01:05:01] RON HAS THE ABILITY TO DO ONE WIDE BODY AIRCRAFT OR TWO SMALLER NARROW BODY AIRCRAFT. SO IT IS A CRITICAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ALLOWS US TO ACCOMMODATE OR HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, UH, NOT JUST TO SERVE THE TERMINAL'S NEEDS, BUT OTHER TENANTS ON THE AIRPORT ALSO RELY ON THE, THE RON SPACES BEYOND JUST THE COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT CAR, UM, PROVIDERS. OKAY. BUT ON A, ON THE, THERE'S A PLAN THAT SHOWS ANOTHER RO UH, PARKING SPACE SOUTH OF THIS AREA. UM, I'M, IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP BECAUSE AFTER THESE, THESE CHANGES ARE MADE AND THE GTC IS PUT IN, THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL RON SPACES. UM, OKAY. THIS PLAN HERE SHOWS NUMBER TWO. YEAH. NUMBER TWO. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS, JOHN? OKAY. SO LOCATION NUMBER TWO IS, IT IS FOR RON AFTER, SO LOCATION NUMBER TWO IS FOR RON SPACE. DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT, IT ACTUALLY IS A STAGING AREA FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE, WE NEED THAT OTHER RON SPACE AS WELL. AND THAT WILL BE USED FOR RON AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. UM, ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, WAS IT, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, I HAVEN'T DELVED INTO THE, THE WEEDS THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS ABOUT THE WHAT GOES AWAY AND WHAT CAN FIT. BUT WAS IT EVER REVIEWED AS A POSSIBILITY TO ADD ANOTHER, UH, LEVEL TO THE PARKING GARAGE? MAKE THE PARKING GARAGE SMALLER SO THAT ROADWAYS AND, AND ACCESS COULD BE, UH, REDIRECTED AROUND AND THROUGH THIS BUILDING? THE, THE PARKING GARAGE OR THE GTC AS WE'RE CALLING IT, IS A GROUND TRANSPORTATION CENTER. AND THE PARAMETERS OF THAT ARE DEFINED BY, UM, BY THE ACCESS WE NEED ON THE GROUND FLOOR TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT CURB UTILIZATION, CURB SPACE FOR, UM, THE, THE PICKUPS THAT WE NEED TO TO HAPPEN THERE. SO THE GTC WHILE MIGHT LOOK LIKE A PARKING GARAGE. THAT'S WHAT THE UPPER LEVELS ARE. THE GROUND FLOOR IS WHERE PASSENGERS WILL GO TO USE THEIR UBERS SHUTTLES, UM, AND OTHER GROUND TRANSPORTATION NEEDS. SO THE QUANTITY OF CURB FRONTAGE THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE, THAT TAKES UP THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR FOOTPRINT AS WE'VE DEFINED IT. SO GOING UP HIGHER IS ALWAYS A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US. WE CAN ADD MORE LEVELS TO THE GARAGE UP TO A LIMIT, BUT WE STILL NEED THAT GROUND FLOOR FOOTPRINT TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEMAND OF ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL, UH, TRAFFIC THAT WE ANTICIPATE FOR THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND I DIDN'T MENTION THIS EARLIER, BUT THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC, REMOVING IT FROM THE CURBSIDE AS AS IT IS TODAY, IS A CRITICAL PART OF ALLOWING THIS AIRPORT TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND RELIEVE CONGESTION FROM THOSE CURBS. SO YOU MAY EXPERIENCE THAT SOMETIMES THAT THERE ARE TREMENDOUS BACKUPS AND DELAYS FOR GETTING CARS TO THE AIRPORT, TO THE TERMINAL ITSELF. REMOVING ALL OF THOSE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES FROM THAT AND MOVING IT OVER TO THIS LOCATION IS, IS KEY TO ALLOW PRIVATE VEHICLES TO CONTINUE TO, TO ACCESS THE TERMINAL. SO WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT GROUND FOOTPRINT ANY SMALLER THAN WE'VE GOT IT TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL, UH, DEFER TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS. I I WILL HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. COULD ALSO, I THINK, WERE YOU ASKING ALSO ABOUT THE CURRENT GARAGES? COULD WE EXPAND THE CURRENT GARAGES AS WELL? WELL, WHETHER, UH, PARKING COULD BE, UH, EXPANDED VERTICALLY TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THIS FACILITY. SURE. SO IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT TO THE AIRPORT LATELY, ESPECIALLY REAL RECENTLY IN THE SUMMER HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMPLETELY FULL EVERY DAY. WE CLOSE OUR GARAGES BY 9:00 AM SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT EVEN PRIOR TO THIS. AND BECAUSE OF WHAT'S CALLED LINE OF SIGHT, THE TOWER HAS TO BE ABLE TO SEE OVER THE TERMINALS AND BRIDGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT POSSIBILITY. IT'S REALLY NOT FEASIBLE. SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO GO WITH ADDITIONAL GARAGES 'CAUSE THE DEMAND IS SO HIGH. UH, THAT'S, UH, AN EFFECT OF A COUPLE THINGS. UH, YOU KNOW, PRE COVID AIRPORTS WERE ONLY LOOK, WEREN'T LOOKING AT BUILDING MANY GARAGES AFTER COVID. AND WITH THE INFLUX OF PEOPLE WHO MOVE HERE FROM SAN ANTONIO AND THE REGION, THE AIRPORTS EXPERIENCED A WHOLE NEW GROWTH OF PASSENGERS THAT LIVE SOUTH OF SAN ANTONIO THAT HAVE TO DRIVE HERE. SO THAT'S DRIVING ONE OF OUR PARKING DEMANDS. AND ALSO, I BELIEVE YOU ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE TANK. UH, THE TANK WILL SUPPORT, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A, NOT ONLY AN OPERATIONAL BUT SUSTAINABILITY PROJECT FOR THE CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT AND THE PROXIMITY OF THAT ALSO. IT'S LIKE A BIG PUZZLE PIECE. YOU KNOW, THAT ONE HAS TO BE CLOSE TO THE OTHER, ET CETERA. AND SO THAT WAS EXTENSIVELY LOOKED AT AS WELL. JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FOR THAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SNO. UM, YES, THANK YOU. UM, QUESTION [01:10:01] FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, YOU, ME, YOU MENTIONED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF YOU CAN BEST ANSWER THIS, I DIDN'T GO ON ON THE SITE VISIT, UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE ONLY HAD A LIMITED TIME TO LOOK AT THE, THIS REALLY THOROUGH PRESENTATION. BUT, UM, THE SERVICE ROAD IN THIS, UH, DRAWING SHOWN HERE, OR BETTER YET ON 87, THE GRAY SERVICE ROAD, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT IS A CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ROAD STANDARD. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO MY QUESTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH THAT, UM, WHAT IS THE, UH, STANDARD FOR THAT ROAD? WHY IS IT 40 FEET? TELL ME ABOUT THAT. SO, UM, THE STANDARDS FOR THAT ROAD WITHIN THE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S REQUIREMENTS, IT'S THE OVERALL RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE ROAD, FOR THE PAVED AREAS, FOR THE SHOULDER AREAS, FOR THE TURNING RADIUSES THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE SIZE VEHICLES THAT WE ARE USING TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE TERMINAL. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS SERVICE ROAD IS MEANT TO SERVE, MM-HMM, , UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US USE AN AIRPORT FOR AN HOUR AT A TIME, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THE VAST AMOUNT OF GOODS AND SERVICES THAT GO IN AND OUT TO THAT, THAT BUILDING FROM ALL THE BOTTLES OF WATER THAT WE BUY TO THE FOOD THAT WE EAT AND ALL THE WASTE THAT WE GENERATE. SO WE ARE RECEIVING TRACTOR TRAILER SIZED VEHICLES IN HERE MM-HMM. ROUTINELY THROUGHOUT THE DAY TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT GOODS FOR PEOPLE TO, TO HAVE ACCESS TO THESE ROADWAY SIZES AS THEY'RE DETERMINED. ALL FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES FROM THE CITY ABOUT WHAT THOSE RADIUS IS, WHAT THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS, CURBS, SHOULDERS, ET CETERA, ARE REQUIRED TO SERVICE THAT PARTICULAR FLEET OF VEHICLES. OKAY. SO, UM, AS IT GOES FARTHER NORTH AND EAST, IT LOOKS LIKE IT BEGINS TO NARROW. I DON'T SEE A DIMENSION, UM, WHY IS IT NARROWING IN CERTAIN PLACES? AND THEN WE, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE IF THERE IS A WAY TO DECOUPLE THOSE LANES, I'M ASSUMING IT'S TWO 20 FOOT LANES FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF THERE'S A WAY TO DECOUPLE IT REALLY OPENS UP THE POSSIBILITIES. THE ROADWAY SHOULDN'T NARROW AS WE GO AROUND THE CORNER. IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD MAINTAIN ITS, ITS GENERAL SIZE. THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT, UM, AS WE GO AROUND CURVES WHERE THAT IT MIGHT NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT WIDER TO ACCOMMODATE OUR, OUR RADII. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . UM, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN HERE AS WE GO ON THE STRAIGHTAWAYS, SOME OF THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS CAN REDUCE SLIGHTLY MM-HMM, MM-HMM. . UM, BUT IT SHOULD MAINTAIN THAT GENERAL SIZE AND WEIGHT 40 FOOT THROUGHOUT AS WE GO THROUGH. YES. THAT'S IT. YOU'RE OKAY. UM, JUST KNOWING THAT, UH, THIS PORTION IS, THIS PORTION OF ACTIVITY FOR YOUR TEAM IS NOT PART OF THE TERMINAL SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT IS OBVIOUSLY CIRCULATION HEAVY SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE INDUSTRY. I GET THAT. BUT IT ALSO PREVENT, PROVIDES A INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY. AND I TOO WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WAY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PROXIMITY OF THAT WALKWAY TO THE BADGING, BUILDING A WAY TO, UM, COMBINE THAT, SAVE THAT BUILDING, COMBINE IT FOR THAT WALKWAY PUBLIC EXPERIENCE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING. WAYS OF DOING THAT. AND PERHAPS THE SERVICE ROAD AND YOUR RON AREA CAN, YOU KNOW, PULL A FEW FEET, 10, 20 FEET HERE AND THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE RO NS AND THE SIZES FOR SOME OF THESE, THE OFFSETS ARE PRETTY STRICT IN THEIR REQUIREMENTS FROM THE, THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES THAT WE FOLLOW. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE SEE IN THERE IS THAT IT, IT'S MARKED AS A FENCE LINE. THE LINE WITH THE X RIGHT? THAT GOES THROUGH IT, THAT DEFINES THE PERIMETER OF THE BORDERS THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE FOR THE SAFE OPERATIONS OF THE AIRCRAFT AS WELL. SO THAT, THAT KIND OF SETS THAT FIRST LIMIT THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH OF HOW FAR TO THE, IN THIS INSTANCE TO THE NORTH, CAN WE PUSH THAT ROAD? MM-HMM. WITHOUT ENCROACHING ON THAT. AND THEN ALL THE AIRCRAFT MOVEMENT AREAS THAT THEY SHOW BETTER ON THE, ON THE OVERALL PLAN. BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, UM, CONTINUE FORWARD FOR THE NORTH. UM, ONE OPERATIONAL QUESTION FOR THE SIZE OF THE JET FOR THE WIDE BODY VERSUS OTHER SIZES, UM, IS IT TYPICAL TO HAVE DESIGNATED RNS FOR DIFFERENT RATE OR DIFFERENT RATINGS FOR DIFFERENT SIZES? IT WOULD BE TYPICAL TO HAVE DIFFERENT STRIPING TO ACCOMMODATE A MULTITUDE OF, OF VEHICLES OR AIRCRAFT. SO IN THIS CASE, THERE WOULD BE THREE DIFFERENT STRIPES PAINTED OUT THERE FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT WITH WHERE WE CAN EITHER ACCOMMODATE THE TWO NARROW BODIES OR ONE WIDE BODY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BANTA, SINCE YOU WERE THERE, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ON ANYTHING, SIR? Y YES. YES. JUST A, A COUPLE OF A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE ANY DESIGN ELEMENTS FROM THE CURRENT BUILDING AND ANY MARKERS, UH, KIND OF CELEBRATING THE BUILDING AS IT AS, AS IT IS IF, IF WE'RE SO TO GET APPROVAL, UM, INTO THE NEW WALKWAY? [01:15:01] I'LL TOUCH ON IT AND I'LL ASK A COUPLE FOLKS COME UP. YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOKED AT THIS REALLY LONG AND HARD. WE, WE, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T OUR FIRST CHOICE TO, TO, TO DEMO THE BUILDING, BUT BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONSTRAINTS AND THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS, WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT'S, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO HAVE THE AIRCRAFT IN THE TANK, THAT'S THE OPTION. AND THAT'S WHY WE CAME UP WITH THE MITIGATION MEASURES. AND SO, YES, TO YOUR QUESTION, SOME OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING DO EXACTLY THAT. HOW CAN WE CELEBRATE, YOU KNOW, THE SPIRIT OF THAT BUILDING TO THE EX THE PASSENGER EXPERIENCE? 'CAUSE WE HAVE THREE MAIN CORES FOR THIS PROGRAM. ACCESSIBILITY, SUSTAINABILITY, AND THE PASSENGER EXPERIENCE. AND THAT'S PART OF IT. AND SO, UH, DAVE, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT WOULD HIGHLIGHT THAT. SO, UM, YOU'VE SEEN, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE SEEN THE, THE DRAFT, UH, MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT. WE HAVE STIPULATIONS IN THERE, AND ONE OF THOSE STIPULATIONS DOES TALK ABOUT, UM, USING THE, EITHER IF WE CAN SALVAGE SOME OF THAT MATERIAL AND USE IT AS PART OF IT, UH, WE WILL DO THAT. BUT IF WE CAN'T, THEN WE, WE CAN USE SOME OF THOSE DESIGN ELEMENTS IN THE OVERALL DESIGN FOR, UH, FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, IS INCLUDED IN, UH, THOSE STIPULATIONS IS TO HAVE, UM, SOME SORT OF A DISPLAY, UM, THAT HONORS THAT BUILDING AS WELL. AND I THINK, UH, ALONG THAT PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY WOULD BE A GREAT LOCATION, ESPECIALLY RIGHT WHERE THE BUILDING EXISTS RIGHT NOW, THERE'D BE A GREAT LOCATION FOR THAT HISTORICAL DISPLAY. UM, AND, UM, AS PART OF THAT STIPULATION, WE WOULD, WE WOULD WORK, UM, WITH YOU TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT, WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M ASKING THIS FOR THE RECORD, BUT I SEE A LOT OF SPACE AND A LOT OF MOVEMENT SPACE WHERE THIS ROADWAY CAN, CAN WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE TES TANK. WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP THINGS SO SEPARATE LIKE THAT? I SEE A LOT OF, A LOT OF EMPTY SPACE THERE. WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE STORY WITH THAT? I'M, I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EMPTY SPACE THAT IS, UM, JUST KIND OF NORTH OF THE FENCE LINE BETWEEN THE AIRCRAFT AND THE BADGE AND ID BUILDING. AND SO WHILE WE LOOK AT THAT, TO US, IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE EMPTY SPACE TO REROUTE THE SERVICE ROAD AROUND THE AIRCRAFT. WE WOULD ENCROACH ON THE PROTECTED ENVELOPE AREA FOR THE AIRCRAFT, THE AREAS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR PROPER SERVICING OF THAT, THAT AIRCRAFT. SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE LAY THESE OUT, WE DO DEFINE THOSE ENVELOPES, UH, USING INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS THAT, THAT START TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN SAFE OPERATIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, INCIDENTS THAT, THAT CAUSED DAMAGE OR, UH, SAFETY CONCERNS WITH THE, THE TWO DIFFERENT VEHICLE TYPES BEING SO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER. SO THEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN'T HAVE A WATER TRUCK SWINGING IN BETWEEN THE WING TIP AND THE TES TANK JUST TO TRY AND MAKE IT FIT A, A WATER TRUCK? NO, I, I COULD NOT, UNLESS IT WAS DIRECTLY SERVICING THE AIRCRAFT, I COULD NOT HAVE A PUBLIC, UH, VEHICLE GO THROUGH THAT AREA. RIGHT. I'M JUST TRYING TO PAINT AN UNDERSTANDING FOR THE SPACING THAT YOU HAVE OUTLINED THERE, AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. YEAH, SO MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE SPACING IS PRESCRIBED TO US AND MEETS THOSE, UH, GUIDELINES IN INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS. THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR? GO AHEAD, SIR. UH, I'M NOT SURE WHICH Y'ALL WILL ANSWER THIS, BUT, UM, SO Y'ALL DID EXPLORE MOVING THE BUILDING SURE. AND WE CAN TALK SOME MORE ABOUT IT. SO WE HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, ENGINEER COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE BUILDING ITSELF TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU SAVE PART OF IT, COULD IT MOVE? AND, UH, WE HAVE THAT REPORT. IT WAS MOVED TO PLACE. THEY WERE VERY UNSURE THAT IT WOULD SURVIVE A MOVE. UH, AND THEN WE DID TALK TO A MOVING COMPANY, UM, WHO WANTS TO GET UP AND TALK TO THAT, WANNA TALK TO THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE TWO, THE MOVER SAID YOU I CAN MOVE ANYTHING. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE TOO, BUT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WAS MUCH MORE, UH, CONSERVATIVE NOT THINKING THAT IT WOULD SURVIVE A, A MOVE OR SOME ISSUES WITH IT. AND IDEALLY, IF IT WERE TO BE MOVED, WHERE ON THIS, UH, ILLUSTRATION COULD IT, IT GO TO? WELL, THE INITIAL, THE INITIAL REQUEST THAT WE LOOKED AT, UM, AND THIS WAS LONG BEFORE THIS CAME TO COMMISSION, IS JUST, CAN IT BE MOVED? AND SO WHILE ANECDOTALLY THE MOVER SAYS I CAN MOVE ANYTHING, AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONNECTIONS TO THE SUBSTRUCTURE AND TO THE FOUNDATIONS AND WHETHER WE COULD REALLY DECOUPLE THE TWO AND, AND STILL HAVE THE BUILDING REMAIN INTACT. SO WHEN AT THE TIME IT WASN'T NECESSARILY AWARE AS MUCH AS CAN IT BE DONE, UM, SO WE LOOKED AT OTHER PLACES ON THE SITE, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UM, A REQUEST THAT SAYS, COULD IT BE MOVED MORE LOCALLY [01:20:01] TO BECOME PART OF THIS CONCEPT? UH, I THINK THE, THE SPECIFIC REQUEST IS, CAN IT GO IN THE AREA THAT HERE IS, IS NOTED AS THE GTC AMENITY AREA. UM, OR AT LEAST THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON THIS SHEET. SO FROM A VERY HIGH LEVEL, THE BUILDING IS BIGGER. THE, THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING 1322 HAS A LARGER FOOTPRINT, UM, THAN WHAT THAT AREA COULD ACCOMMODATE. AND IT MIGHT IMPACT THE ABILITY FOR THE SERVICE ROAD TO STILL GO THROUGH THAT LOCATION AS WELL. UM, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE FINE TUNED OR TWEAKED IF THE BUILDING COULD BE MOVED. AND AS MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO SEE THE BUILDING SAVED, WHAT WOULD THE, AND YOU'VE ALREADY HIT ON THIS SOME, BUT WHAT WOULD THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY BE OF THE BUILDING IF IT WERE MOVED? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION UNTIL THE, THE, THE MOVE IS COMPLETE, BUT AS, UH, AS THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS HAD HAD ALREADY ATTESTED TO, UM, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER IT WOULD MAINTAIN ITS STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY DUE TO THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURAL FORM OF THE BUILDING. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY, SIR. UM, YOU HAD SAID THAT THE MOVING CONTRACTOR HAD THROWN OUT A NUMBER OF 14 MILLION PLUS. UH, DID HE DO AN, UH, AN, AN EXHAUSTIVE, UH, SURVEY OF THE BUILDING TO SEE WHAT IT MIGHT ACTUALLY COST? OR WAS THAT HIS WAG? THAT THAT WAS THE, THE LOW END THAT JUST INCLUDED WHAT HE FELT WAS TO PHYSICALLY MOVE THE BUILDING? ALL THE OTHER COSTS, UH, WOULD BE INCLUDED. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO UP, UP AND BEYOND THAT, BUT NO BEYOND AND AN EXHAUSTIVE SEARCH OR SURVEY BEYOND HIM COMING OUT AND LOOKING AT IT AND, AND, UM, THAT WAS IT. UM, BUT HE SAID AT MINIMUM THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE JUST KIND OF FOR HIS PART. AND THAT WAS JUST TO PICK IT UP AND SEE IF IT COULD BE MOVED AND, AND MOVE IN THERE. OKAY. UM, WHAT'S THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE WHOLE PROGRAM? RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT 1.4 MILLION. UH, THAT INCLUDES, BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE WHOLE PROGRAM THAT'S THE TERMINAL, THE ROADWAY, ALL THE ENABLING PROJECTS, EVERYTHING. THE ACTUAL BREAKDOWN OF LIKE THE GARAGES AND STUFF. ARE YOU, THE WHOLE PROGRAM, THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT WITH TERMINAL C AND, UH, THE TERMINAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IS JUST SHY OF 1.5 BILLION RIGHT NOW. BILLION ARE YOU SAYING? MILLION ON BILLION. BILLION, OKAY. BILLIONS WOULD BE CLEAR. IT'S THE LARGEST CAPITAL PROGRAM THE CITY HAS EVER UNDERTAKEN. OKAY. SO, NOT TO BELITTLE IT, BUT 14 MILLION IS A SMALL FRACTION OF OVER A BILLION. UM, LOOKING AT THIS PLAN HERE, AND THIS MAY BE FOR, UM, MR. TRIBIANO, UH, THE LARGE BODY PLANE IS SHOWN, UH, CANTED ON THE SITE, SORT OF FACING NORTHWEST. UH, IF IT, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND YOU MAY HAVE STUDIED THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE IF THE BUILDING WAS POINTED DUE NORTH, THAT YOU WOULD END UP WITH SOME MORE SPACE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT PLANE WHERE THE SERVICE DRIVE COULD POSSIBLY BE RELOCATED. WAS THAT STUDIED? IT'S NOT JUST THE, THE WIDE BODY THAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. IT'S WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CLEARANCES BETWEEN THE TWO NARROW BODIES, THOSE MIGHT BE A BETTER INDICATOR OF SOME OF THE CONTROLLING ASPECTS OF, OF HOW THAT SITE NEEDS TO WORK. SO THERE MAY BE THE ABILITY TO PIVOT OR MOVE SLIGHTLY. UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO PIVOT IT, WE WOULD NEED TO PUSH IT FORWARD, WHICH IT STARTS TO FALL INTO THE, THE TOFA OR THE, THE OBJECT FREE AREA FOR THE TAXIWAY THAT'S OUT THERE. UM, BUT THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY CHANGE WHERE THE FENCE LINE WOULD BE BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GONNA BE, UM, BOUND BY THE, THE NARROW BODY AIRCRAFT THAT ARE SHOWN ON THERE AS WELL. OKAY. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE THE NORTHERN, UH, SMALLER PLANE COULD MOVE FURTHER NORTH AND STILL BE WITHIN THE, ONCE IT STARTS MOVING FORTH, IT IT FURTHER NORTH, IT WILL START TO IMPACT SOME OF THE TRI RATE OPERATIONS AND THE, THE CLEAR DISTANCES FOR THAT AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. OKAY. ONE MORE QUESTION. GO ONE MORE QUESTION ALONG THE SAME LINES OF THE CIRCULATION, UH, THAT WE ASKED, WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE ON SLIDE 33, WE SEE, UM, YOU'VE CALLED OUT THE RON IN THAT, IN THAT LOCATION, BUT TELL ME ABOUT HOW THAT SPACE IS BEING USED, UH, WITH 84, 85, WITH SLIDE 85 OR EVEN [01:25:01] 86. SO WE SEE THE RON ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ALSO USING THE AREA ACROSS THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA CALL THAT, THAT PASSAGEWAY. UM, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY CALLED OUT AS IRAN EITHER. SURE. SO TELL, TELL US ABOUT HOW THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, CRAFT SPACE IS BEING USED. OKAY. SO WHAT WE SEE HERE, GENERALLY THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE IN LIGHT BLUE ARE ALL AIRCRAFT MOVEMENT SPACES. THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR AIRCRAFT TO CIRCULATE, UM, NORTH SOUTH ON THIS PLAN. WHAT WE DON'T SEE ON THIS PLAN IS THAT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, THERE IS AN AIRCRAFT HANGER. MM-HMM. DOWN THERE. MM-HMM. . SO WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT TAXIWAY TO ALLOW, UM, AIRCRAFT TO GET TO THAT HANGAR. THE ONE THAT YOU SEE ON THE FAR LEFT. MM-HMM. . UM, THAT IS NOT AN RON SPACE. THAT IS US DEMONSTRATING THAT. UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL HANGERS OVER THERE THAT ARE OWNED BY VT, UM, WHICH PROVIDES SERVICING OF AIRCRAFT OR MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS FOR A VARIETY OF, OF CONTRACTS THAT THEY OWN. WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO GET THEIR AIRCRAFT IN AND THROUGH THEIR FENCE LINE AND INTO THEIR PROPERTY WHERE THEY THEN TOW THEM TO, THEY'VE GOT FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT HANGERS THAT THOSE AIRCRAFT THEN GO ON. SO THE SPOT THAT WE SEE ON THE LEFT IS NOT AN RON SPACE THAT IS SPECIFICALLY IN THE LEASEHOLD OF ONE OF THE TENANTS OUT THERE. IT'S A HOLDING PLACE. IT'S NOT A CIRCULATION GOING FURTHER WEST. IT DOES CONTINUE FURTHER WEST TO ONE OF THEIR HANGERS. GOT IT. OKAY. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT IS NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE AIR, IT IS THE AIRPORT'S PROPERTY, BUT IT IS THE TENANT'S LEASEHOLD THERE. SURE. SO WE DON'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT SIDE OF THE FENCE. SURE. OKAY. BUT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN ACCESS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT FENCE AREA. GOT IT. THANK YOU. UM, ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION, . OKAY. MR. TRIBIANO TALKING ABOUT THESE, UH, TAXIWAYS, UM, THE NEEDING ACCESS TO THE WAREHOUSES OR THE, UM, BUILDINGS ON THE LEFT OF THIS PLAN, UH, 24 7 FOR SERVICE SERVICING THOSE VEHICLES. YOU MENTIONED THERE'S A HANGAR AT THE SOUTH END OF THIS TAXIWAY. UH, WHAT HANGAR IS THAT FOR? IT IS A, UH, AN FBO. IT'S A PRIVATE HANGAR, UM, THAT, THAT HAS A PRIVATE CLIENT. AND SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO ASPECTS. ONE IS A PRIVATE HANGAR THAT IS AT THE VERY END OF THIS TAXI WAY. THE OTHER IS THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ACCESS POINT INTO THE TENANT SPACE TO SERVE ONE OF THEIR ADDITIONAL HANGERS THAT IS FURTHER SOUTH OFF OF THIS PLAN. SO WITHIN THERE, WE HAVE TWO REASONS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE FURTHER SOUTH. ONE IS TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE WHAT WOULD BE PLANNED WEST. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE ROOF LINE OF A WHITE HANGER ALL THE WAY IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OVER THERE. THAT IS ANOTHER ONE THAT BELONGS TO THAT TENANT. AND THEN THERE IS A PRIVATE, UH, HANGER THAT IS AT THE VERY END OF THIS TAXIWAY. OKAY. UH, THERE ARE PRIVATE HANGERS ON THE NORTH, IN NORTH SIDE OF THE PRI OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY. CORRECT. WAS IT EXPLORED TO, UH, PERHAPS PURCHASE OR SWAP LAND WITH THAT PRIVATE OPERATOR AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS TAXI WAY? PROVIDE HIM SPACE AT THE NORTH END OF THE AIRPORT FOR HIS OWN TERMINAL AND THEN USE THE FAR SOUTH END OF THIS AS THE, UH, RON SPACE FOR THIS COMPLEX? SO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ONE PART OF OUR LEASING POLICY IF WE NEED TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD EXPLORE THAT. BUT MORE SO THAN JUST THE HANGAR TO THE FAR SOUTH, IT REALLY IS THE ENTRANCE INTO THE VT UH, AIRSPACE. THE ONE THAT JOHN TALKED ABOUT THAT'S A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN TO THE LEFT. SO EVEN IF THAT HANGAR WERE TO MOVE, WE STILL HAVE TO REMAIN THAT SOUTHERN ACCESS INTO THAT LAST HANGAR. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, WHAT THEY DO THERE, UH, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR BUSINESS FOR AIRCRAFT. SO THEY GET VERY LARGE AIRCRAFT IN THERE THAT MAY NOT TYPICALLY FLY INTO SAN ANTONIO, BUT THEY'RE COMING HERE FOR REPAIR. THEY ROUTINELY HANDLE, YOU KNOW, VERY LARGE AIRCRAFT, 7 4 7 8 SEVENS. AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT TAXI SOUTH AND THE GARAGE WILL STILL NEED TO BE MAINTAINED EVEN BEYOND THE LIFE OF THAT SMALLER, UH, PRIVATE HANGAR. THAT'S AT THE VERY END. AND THAT'S THE LONG-TERM LEASE WE HAVE WITH VT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, EDWARD, IF YOU SHOW SLIDE 26, YOU BLOW THAT DOWN IN THAT INSIDE CORNER OF THE YELLOW LINE IS, THAT'S THE PRIVATE HANGAR, IT'S AT THE SOUTH END OF THE TAXIWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. IF YOU, IF YOU, WHERE SAYS 2 81, YOU GO IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT. SO THERE'S A PRIVATE HANGAR THERE, AND YOU CAN SEE JUST ABOVE IT THAT KIND OF TAXI LANE IN, AND THEN JUST ABOVE AND TO THE LEFT OF THAT, YOU SEE AN OPEN AREA BETWEEN THAT AND THE HANGAR. THAT AREA RIGHT THERE IS THE ENTRANCE INTO THAT KIND OF GRAY COLOR HANGAR [01:30:01] THAT WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE BOX YOU JUST DREW. AND SO THAT'S HOW IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN BASICALLY IS IT'S COMING DOWN, IT TURNS RIGHT AND IT TURNS RIGHT AGAIN INTO THE HANGAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. GO AHEAD, SIR. YEAH, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT OVERVIEW WHERE IT'S GOT THE DESIGN, UH, THE DESIGN OVERVIEW WHERE IT'S GOT THE COLORS. I SEE. YEAH. OKAY. SO JUST LOOKING AT THE BUILDING ITSELF, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, A QUESTION. I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE. YOU SAID 14 MILLION TO MOVE THE BUILDING. UM, AND THEN YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT A 45 DEGREE TILT AND THEN A SLIGHT SHIFT SOUTHEAST TO USE IT AS A COVERED AREA TO THE PEDESTRIAN PARKWAY. ANY IDEA WHAT THAT WOULD COST? NO, I, I DON'T HAVE A, UM, AN ESTIMATE FROM THE, FROM ANYONE ON THAT. BUT ONE OF THE KEY, ONE OF THE KEY ASPECTS TO REMEMBER IS THAT, UM, THE QUOTE FROM THE MOVING COMPANY WAS LITERALLY JUST TO MOVE IT. SO ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE DO, ROTATING IT, ET CETERA, WE STILL HAVE TO BUILD THE FOUNDATIONS, PUT ALL THE OTHER EFFORT INTO PUTTING IT BACK ONTO THE GROUND, WHICH WERE NOT NECESSARILY INCLUDED IN THERE. UM, EVEN IF WE ROTATED IT, MOVED IT, I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THE BUILDING IS LARGER THAN THE AREA I'VE GOT TO PLACE IT. UM, THERE. AND WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE ARE SOME GRADE CHANGES THAT THOSE THAT WERE OUT THERE ON THE SITE VISIT PROBABLY RECALL. UM, ONE OF OUR KEY ASPECTS FOR THE ENTIRE PROGRAM IS MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE, UM, EXCEEDING ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OUT HERE. WE REALLY WANT THIS TO BE AN ACCESSIBLE FACILITY. AND SO HAVING ANOTHER BUILDING THAT CAN'T BE PART OF THAT ACCESSIBLE ROUTE COULD BE, BUT IT WOULD BE A FLAT SPOT AND AN OTHERWISE SLOPING THING WITH THE TERRAIN, UH, HAS NOT BEEN EVALUATED AND THROUGH OUR . RIGHT. I'M LOOK LOOKING AT THE DESIGN ASPECTS OF THAT BUILDING. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF ASPECTS THAT'S ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANT, BUT I THINK THE ROOF IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE DOMINANT FEATURES. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT CAN STILL BE PRESERVED. THANK YOU FOR, FOR ANSWERING THAT. SURE. AND, AND I THINK IN THE PACKET IN OUR MITIGATION IN THE MOA PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE SPIRIT OF A LOT OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE Y COLUMNS ARE UNIQUE, UH, THAT TRAVERTINE AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO INCORPORATE THOSE, IF WE CAN SALVAGE 'EM INTO THE WALKWAY OR SOMETHING. THOSE ARE ALL OUTLINED IN THAT MOA IN THE PACKET. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TERMINAL FACILITY, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING AND THAT THERE WILL BE A REQUEST TO CONTINUE, UM, UH, CONTINUE, UM, STUDYING A REUSE OF THE TERMINAL BUILDING ON THE SITE. SECOND, THIS HAS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED FURTHER DISCUSSION. UM, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS REALLY, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S A VERY EXCITING PROJECT. I, I KNOW IT HAS TO HAPPEN AND I THINK IT'S, UM, UM, A GOOD, A GOOD MOVE FOR THE REGION OVERALL. I DO ALSO AGREE THAT, UM, JUST AS ANY OTHER MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY THAT WE LAED AND CELEBRATE IN OUR COUNTRY AND ESPECIALLY IN OUR STATE, UM, THE AVIATION INDUSTRY IS VERY SPECIAL AND ITS HISTORY HERE IN THE SAN ANTONIO AREA IS EXTREMELY SPECIAL. AND SO TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE SOMETHING THAT, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY SMALL, IT'S A PRETTY RELATIVELY EASY TO WORK AROUND COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER FACILITIES AND OTHER HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT WE'VE ACCOMMODATED, UM, WOULD BE, UM, REALLY THE LEAST WE COULD DO FOR THE AVIATION HISTORY IN THIS CITY. AND SO I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, UM, AND I BELIEVE YOUR, YOUR TEAM IS UP TO THE TASK TO REVIEW AND THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. THINK IN THIS CASE, THINK OUTSIDE THE LANE. AND EVEN WITH, EVEN WITHIN FEDERAL EXPECTATIONS, I, I THINK THIS TEAM CAN DO IT. IT WOULD BE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TYPICALLY, WE WOULDN'T EVEN, UM, SUPPORT DEMOLITION FOR A PARKING LOT OR DRIVE THROUGHS. THIS IS THE SAME THING, BUT ON A LAR MUCH LARGER SCALE. SO I, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY, UM, GET, GET CREATIVE ON THIS. AND, UH, OUR DRC IS HERE TO HELP ALSO AT ANY POINT. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK REALLY, COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEEK CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN THAT'S PROPOSED IS WHAT'S NECESSITATING THE DEMOLITION. AND, AND THE APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED [01:35:01] THAT THEY HAVE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES AND THAT THAT IS WHAT HAS INFORMED THE DESIGN THAT IS ON THE TABLE TODAY FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. AND SO IS THE INTENT OF THE MOTION THAT THE DESIGN CHANGE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE BUILDING, OR THAT THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AS PROPOSED SCHEMATICALLY AND PRESENT MORE INFORMATION IN THE FUTURE? THAT'S POINTING TO THE REASON FOR DEMOLITION AS PRESENTED. THE TERMINAL IS VERY CLEAR, AT LEAST IN OUR, IN SOME OF THE DRAWINGS, IT'S THAT YELLOW BUILDING, THAT YELLOW BUILDING IS NOT A PART OF WE ENCROACHES IN THE HISTORIC BUILDING. IT'S CLEAR WHERE THE NEW TERMINAL COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT APRON, FUEL HYDRATION HYDRANT SYSTEM IS CLEARLY, UM, SEVERAL YARDS TO THE EAST. I THINK THAT IS, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, I THINK CONCEPTUALLY THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS. IF THEY FEEL THEY HAVE TO ALTER IT IN ORDER TO, UM, OFFER ANOTHER SOLUTION FOR 1322, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A A COMMENT, THE COMMENT PORTION. ONE, ONE MOMENT. ONE MOMENT, SIR. OH, I'M SORRY, COREY, YOU SAID, DOES THAT ANSWER WELL, I MEAN, IT, IT DOES ADDRESS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE TERMINAL ITSELF, WHERE THE GATES ARE, BUT THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS INTERCONNECTED AND TIM COULD PROBABLY EXPLAIN BETTER. LIKE THE, THE ITEM IS ALL OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER. YEAH. AND, AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE NEPA PLUS AND EVERYTHING, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT. THIS IS THE PROGRAM WE'RE PRESENTING FORWARD TODAY. WE'VE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES AND, AND THROUGH OUR MITIGATION, THE MOA THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE OFFERING TODAY, UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT. AND SO IN ORDER FOR THE WHOLE PACKAGE TO MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE IT'S ALL PART OF THE BIGGER PUZZLE IN ORDER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE CMAR ON BOARD, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SANTES. GO AHEAD, SIR. YEAH, I, I THINK IN, IN SPIRIT I TEND TO AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, BUT I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS AS FAR AS SPACE GOES WITH REGARDS TO WHERE VEHICLES COULD MOVE IN RELATION TO AIRCRAFT IN RELATION TO SUPPORT FACILITIES, UH, AS WELL AS WHAT THE VEHICLES ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE USED FOR A FUEL TRUCK CAN'T GET, UH, AS CLOSE TO THAT LITTLE CIRCULAR, UH, SUPPORT STRUCTURE THERE. JUST LIKE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, PEOPLE CAN'T BE WALKING THROUGH, UH, WITHIN A CERTAIN, UH, DISTANCE FROM THE AIRCRAFT AND SUPPORT FACILITIES. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IN, IN, IN, IN CONCEPT THAT BUILDING OR ELEMENTS OF THAT BUILDING SHOULD TRY AND BE, UH, UH, SALVAGED. THE PROBLEM IS HOW DO YOU, HOW DO, DO YOU, HOW DO YOU GET IT? IF YOU START MOVING IT, IF YOU START TILTING IT, IT IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA SURVIVE. IF YOU TRY TO WORK AROUND IT, UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE VIOLATING, UH, GUIDELINES, FEDERAL GUIDELINES AS TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU CAN HAVE MOVING AROUND AIRCRAFT AND, AND, AND OTHER FACILITIES. SO IT'S DEFINITELY A CONUNDRUM THERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT KEEPING THE BUILDING AS IT SITS RIGHT THERE PRESERVED IS GONNA WORK FOR THE PROJECT A AS A WHOLE. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. THAT'S WHY I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY LOOK AT ANY OPTION, WHETHER IT'S A RELOCATION ROTATION OR MAINTAINING IT, THE THAT OPTION IS THEIRS. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER SCHILLO. SO PERHAPS MAYBE A STIPULATION THAT THAT, THAT ENCOURAGES THEM OR, OR, OR KEEPS THEM, UH, TO PRESERVE ELEMENTS OR ASPECT OF THAT BUILDING AND, AND REUSE ELEMENTS OR ASPECT, MAYBE NOT THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE. IS THAT, IS THAT POSSIBLE? WELL, I THINK THAT AMOUNT OF WORK AND THOSE, UM, THAT THOSE APPROACHES, UM, WOULD BE, BE SOMETHING THAT THEY TAKE THE LEAD ON. WELL, AND JUST TO REITERATE, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED STIPULATIONS, AND ACTUALLY EDWARD, CAN YOU PUT THOSE ON THE SCREEN? THIS IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED FOR THE DRAFT MOA FOR THE MITIGATION. SO I MEAN, TO COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, TO YOUR POINT, THE LAST TWO ITEMS ON THAT LIST, UM, I GUESS THE LAST ITEM, ITEM SEVEN, IS THAT EVERY EFFORT BE MADE TO SALVAGE AND REUSE MATERIALS AND DESIGN ELEMENTS. UM, THIS DOES NOT INTEND TO CAPTURE THE ENTIRE BUILDING IN ITS CURRENT FOOTPRINT. UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE BELIEVE FROM THE DESIGN TEAM THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO. UM, AND THEY ARE COMMITTED TO LOOKING AT THAT. UM, AND THEN IF THAT CAN BE DONE, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY INCORPORATING, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT REFERENCE THE BUILDING ITSELF. AND I KNOW THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM YOUR MOTION, BUT COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE POINTING TO. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A MICROPHONE BACK. OKAY, MA'AM. UM, [01:40:01] I, I JUST, I DON'T THINK THE MOTION AS IT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT. LIKE EITHER, EITHER THERE'S CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OR THERE'S NOT. AND IF WHAT YOU'RE TRULY TRYING TO DO IS SAY THEY CAN'T MOVE THE BUILDING OR NEED TO WORK AROUND THE BUILDING, THEN I THINK THE MOTION HAS TO BE FOR DENIAL. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVING WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, THAT INCLUDES THE, THE IT, THE IT BY NECESSITY IMPACTS THE BUILDING. SO I JUST, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THAT MOTION. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO OFFER THAT IN, IN MANY CASES WE, UM, SLICE AND DICE REQUESTS AND OFFER CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BECAUSE WE SUPPORT THE BULK OF THE PROJECT AND WE DO WANNA SEE IT MOVE FORWARD, BUT THERE MAY BE AN ELEMENT OR A COMPONENT THAT WE ARE NOT CONVINCED IS THE PROPER MOVE FOR A PROJECT OR WE MAY EVEN DISAGREE UPON AND WANT ANOTHER SOLUTION. SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE A RECORD OF, UM, TAKING THAT KIND OF ACTION NOW WE CAN TAKE A VOTE AND IF IT PASSES, FINE. IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER MOTION. COMMISSIONER, PROFESSOR? YES. UM, FIRST I WANT TO THANK, UH, THE WHOLE AIRPORT PROJECT TEAM FOR, UH, THEIR DUE DILIGENCE THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THESE MANY YEARS AND, AND COMING UP WITH A, UM, A SCHEME THAT, UH, APPEARS TO WORK, UH, AND MEETS ALL THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. UM, I KNOW IT, IT HAS PROBABLY BEEN, UM, LONG HOURS AND, AND PULLING OUT HAIR, BUT, UM, I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SINO THAT, UM, THE BULK OF THE PROJECT IS, UH, IN MY OPINION, UH, MEETS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, UH, GUIDELINES. BUT THAT, UH, BUILDING 1322, UH, NEEDS SOME MORE, UH, INVESTIGATION, UH, AND WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, POSSIBLY, UH, SCHEDULE A DRC WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE IN-DEPTH TIME AND, UH, FOR US TO LOOK AT WHAT Y'ALL HAD DONE, UH, ON PAPER, UH, TO SEE CLEARANCES AND, UH, THE FAA GUIDELINES AND ALL THAT. UH, BUT AT THIS POINT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS, THIS CASE IS, IS OF COURSE VERY INTERESTING AND, AND BEING AT THE DRC, UM, I MEAN SITE VISIT MYSELF, UM, I SEE THE SPACE LIMITATIONS THAT ARE THERE. UM, HOWEVER, AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE, UM, THE COMMISSION DOESN'T WANT THAT BUILDING TO GO AWAY. WE WANT TO SEE IF THERE IS SOME POSSIBLE WAY, SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT EITHER THE BUILDING COULD BE SAVED OR THE ELEMENTS CAN BE SAVED OR, YOU KNOW, SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM COULD BE DONE. WE KNOW YOU'VE DONE EXTENSIVE STUDIES AND WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD IT ALL. WE'VE SEEN IT ALL AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORK AND THE EFFORT THAT'S GONE INTO IT. UM, BUT IT, THERE'S, THERE STILL SEEMS TO BE, OR IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME OTHER WAY THAT CAN SAVE IT. AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO OF COURSE MOVE FORWARD. 'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT HAS TO MOVE FORWARD. SO IT'S WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE BUILDING? UM, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT, UM, OUR MOTION, AND I AGREE WITH OUR DIRECTOR HERE, THAT IT, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARER, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT IS PRETTY MUCH THE, IT IS ENTIRE PACKAGE HERE, WHAT WE HAVE AND WE NEED TO, AND THE BUILDING ITSELF IS INCORPORATED IN THAT PACKAGE BECAUSE WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, AS IT IS NOW, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THAT. SO WE DO WANNA SAVE SOME ELEMENTS, I MEAN, IF WE CAN, THE BUILDING ITSELF, BUT AT LEAST SOME ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEARER, UM, IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT IT HERE WITH THE STIPULATIONS FROM STAFF OR IF WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND A DENIAL, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT. SO, SO STAFF CAN BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO GO FORWARD. SO WHAT WOULD YOUR SUGGESTION INCLUDE? UM, I, I HAVE A SUGGESTION HERE. UH, MAY PERHAPS, UH, AN AMENDMENT GO AHEAD, SIR. ALRIGHT. IF YOU GO TO PARAGRAPH SEVEN, CAN YOU SCROLL IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT JUST SO WE CAN ALL SEE PARAGRAPH SEVEN ON THE, UH, STIPULATION. ALRIGHT, I'M JUST GONNA READ IT HERE. THAT EVERY EFFORT BE MADE TO SALVAGE AND REUSE MATERIALS AND DESIGN ELEMENTS FOR BUILDING 1322 AT A MINIMUM. THIS INCLUDES TRAVERTINE CLADDING AND REINFORCED CONCRETE Y COLUMNS, PERIOD. THE NEW PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY SHOULD INCLUDE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT REFERENCE THE DEMO. THE, THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURE [01:45:01] STRIKE DEMOLISHED THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURE, WHICH MAY INCLUDE Y COLUMNS AND OR A CURVE LINEAR ROOF FORM. SO AS I READ IT, I WOULD OPPOSE THAT AS AN, UH, AS AN AMENDMENT OR A STIPULATION OR, OR AN EDITED STIPULATION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE STIPULATION THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THERE NOW. SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, WELL, WELL, I, I WOULD, I WOULD TAKE OUT A PORTION WHERE IT SAYS IF DETERMINED, IF DETERMINED TO NOT BE POSSIBLE, THAT MEANS DO IT. SO IT NOT, NOT THE OPTION TO DO IT, DO IT. RIGHT. SO LET ME JUST EXPLAIN THAT. SO IT'S SAYING THAT THE LITERAL COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING SHOULD BE SALVAGED AND REUSED, BUT IF THAT'S DETERMINED DURING THE PROCESS, EITHER THROUGH ENGINEERING OR THROUGH CONSTRUCTION METHODS, THAT THAT IS NOT FEASIBLE, THEN A PLAN B IS THAT THERE WOULD BE NEW ELEMENTS THAT REFERENCE THAT DESIGN. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE GONNA USE ONE OF THE Y COLUMNS AND ONE OF THE Y COLUMNS COLLAPSES WHEN YOU'RE TAKING IT APART, THEN YOU JUST MAKE ANOTHER Y COLUMN TO REPLACE THAT COLUMN THAT COLLAPSED AND THEN CONTINUE TO REUSE AS NEEDED, POTENTIALLY. YES. UH, THAT DESIGN HASN'T BEEN FLESHED OUT YET, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S POINTING TO. I, I DON'T KNOW IF I, I BASICALLY WHAT I WANT TO TAKE OUT IS THE OPTION FOR ANYONE TO SAY IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. 'CAUSE ALMOST ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S THAT LANGUAGE ABOUT IF IT'S DETERMINED TO NOT BE POSSIBLE. SO IF THAT DETERMINATION IS MADE, IT'D BE SHARED WITH STAFF AND WE MIGHT ALSO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH THAT INFORMATION TO SHOW HOW THAT'S INFORMING THE NEW DESIGN. , MR. CHAIR, MA'AM, GO. I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER IDEAS OUT THERE. LET'S, UH, GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THIS ONE AND SEE HOW IT GOES. AND IF IT FAILS, THEN WE CAN TRY OUT SOME OF THE OTHER IDEAS THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE UNDERSTOOD. MAY HAVE MR. CHAIR CLARIFICATION ON EXACTLY WHAT THIS MOTION IS. SURE. COMMISSIONER HALL, GO AHEAD. CLARIFICATION IS TO APPROVE, CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE THE TERMINAL BUILDING AS DEPICTED IN THE YELLOW AND THE DOCUMENTS, UM, FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH A CONTINUATION ON THE DETERMINATION OF THE 1322 BUILDING UPON FURTHER EXPLORATION AND INVESTIGATION. AND A DRC, IS THAT CLARIFY? YOU COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? I NOT, NOT ENTIRELY. UM, BUT I, I BELIEVE I KNOW I, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S A YES OR NO FOR ME. THANK YOU. BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SIR, I'D LIKE SOMETHING INCLUDED IN, IN THE MOTION ABOUT EXPLORING RELOCATION. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE INCLUDING IN THERE? YES. OKAY, THEN I'LL SUPPORT YOUR MOTION. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO NAY SINO AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. BAZOOKA AYE. GUEVARA NAY VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? NO. HOLLAND NAY FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS NAY SPLIT VOTE. WE WILL NEED A NEW MOTION. ANY MOTION PLEASE? OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THERE A SECOND. SECOND. THIS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? OH, ONE MOTION. ONE MOMENT. I'D LIKE TO, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, SIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT. SURE. UH, IN ITEM SEVEN OF THE, UH, SUGGESTED MOAS, UH, NEAR THE BOTTOM IT SAYS IF THE, IF SALVAGE AND REUSE IS DETERMINED TO NOT BE POSSIBLE, THEN THE NEW PEDESTRIAN WALKAWAY SHOULD INCLUDE DESIGN ELEMENTS. CHAINS SHOULD TO SHALL I'M OKAY. SECOND? YEAH. OKAY. BEEN MOVED. AND PROPERLY SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE? HOLD ON. DID THE MOTION MAKER AMEND HIS MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT? I THINK HE WAS SAYING HE WAS OKAY WITH THAT. I, I, I I CONCUR WITH THAT. YES. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SINO NAY. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE. GUEVARA AYE. VASQUEZ NAY. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER NAY [01:50:01] AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 10, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER 10, HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 19 10 12 NAVARRO STREET REQUEST THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CHARACTER DEFINING CASTSTONE FEATURE THAT READS THE HAGNER BUILDING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT TO STAFF A RENDERING THAT WILL REFLECT A ONE-TO-ONE RECREATION TO VERIFY THE REPLACEMENT WILL BE EXACT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT USE NATURAL STONE THAT MIMICS THE APPEARANCE OF THE, OF THE CASTSTONE. FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND PHOTOS MUST BE PROVIDED TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF WORK. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZED THE SAME STYLE OF FONT FOR THE PORTION THAT READS HAGNER BUILDING. AND FINALLY, FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES STAFF A PHOTO OF THE FINAL PRODUCT PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION TO VERIFY THE REPLACEMENT. WE'LL MATCH THE FEATURE AS INSTALLED. THE APPLICANT, RAMIRO ZAPATA IS HERE IN PERSON. AND, UM, MR. ZAPATA, IF YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE, UM, PODIUM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UM, UH, TAKE COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS RAMIRO ZAPATA ARCHITECT. I AM THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD FOR THE, UH, RENOVATION OF THE BUILDING AT 10 12 NAVARRO. AND, UM, THIS PROJECT, UH, BEGAN APPROXIMATELY ONE YEAR AGO. IT WAS PRIMARILY 90%, UH, INTERIOR, UH, MODIFICATIONS. UH, BUT, UH, UPON MOVING IN THE OWNERSHIP OF THE BUILDING REALLY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, UH, WITH THE, UH, EXISTING SIGNAGE. AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GO BACK TO THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE. THE EXISTING SIGN IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED OUT OF CASTSTONE. AND OVER THE YEARS, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, REBAR INSIDE OF IT, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE, THE, THE, UH, AREA. IT SAYS HAGNER RIGHT THERE HAS RUSTED AND KIND OF EXPANDED AND POPPED SOME OF THE, UH, CONCRETE OFF. AND I THINK THAT HAPPENED ALSO, UH, ON THE WORD BUILDING AS WELL. AND SO, UH, THERE ARE OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS WHERE WE KIND OF ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT AND IT HAS, UH, THAT WHOLE, UH, SIGNAGE PIECE HAS, HAS REALLY CRACKED AND PIECES OF IT ARE BEGINNING TO FALL OFF. SO THE OWNERSHIP'S REALLY, THE OWNERSHIP, UH, REALLY BELIEVES IT'S A HAZARD FOR THE PEOPLE WALKING, UH, THROUGH THE SIDEWALK. AND THEY HAVE PROPOSED TO REMOVE IT AND CAREFULLY REPRODUCE IT OUT OF A NATURAL STONE THAT WILL BE MORE, UH, HOMOGENEOUS AND CONSISTENT AND STILL KEEP ALL THE SAME DETAIL. UH, WE HAVE FOUND, UH, SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE THAT ON, UH, OUT OF COMFORT TEXAS. THEY'RE MASTER MASONS. UH, WHAT, AND THE PROCESS THEY PLAN TO DO IS TO CAREFULLY REMOVE, UM, THIS SIGN AND RECON AND, AND REPO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, RE PIECE IT TOGETHER IN THEIR SHOP, MAKE A MOLD OF IT, AND THEN CAREFULLY CARVE OUT A NEW, UH, A IDENTICAL PIECE OUT OF NATURAL STONE. AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, VERY, UH, SIMILAR AND APPROPRIATE TO THE NATURE OF THE EXISTING SIGN. SO, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. GOOD, MR. SW. UM, MR. ZAPATA, I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND YOU'VE ANSWERED A NUMBER OF 'EM. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. UM, I FIND THIS IS A, JUST A DELIGHTFUL PIECE ON THE BUILDING. SURE. AND I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT Y'ALL ARE TAKING THE EXTRA EFFORTS TO RECREATE IT. UM, QUESTION, I GUESS THE ASSUMPTION IS BECAUSE IT'S, UH, CONCRETE AND IT MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE PIECES OR FOUR PIECES IS YES MA'AM, THAT YOU WANT TO DO [01:55:01] A SINGLE PIECE TO REPLACE IT, OR WILL YOU ALSO REPLACE IT IN SMALLER MODULES? I THINK IT'LL BE SMALLER MODULES BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY PIECE IT TOGETHER, UH, AND DOESN'T FALL. I MEAN, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE AS TO HOW MANY MODULES, BUT I THINK THE HAGGLER BUILDING WOULD PROBABLY BE TWO PIECES, AND THEN THE, THE OTHER CODE OF ARMS WOULD BE, UH, ANOTHER PIECE. OKAY. AND LIKE I SAID, YOU ANSWERED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD. YOU'RE MAKING A MODEL. UH, MY ONLY CONCERN IN LOOKING AT THE PACKAGE IS HAVING REAL, REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF THIS. AND, UM, I'M HOPING THAT YOU'RE NOT USING THE LINE DRAWING TO REPLICATE THIS. NO, BUT YOU'RE USING THE, THE MOLDING, REVERSE MOLDING. YES, MA'AM. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN OUR RESPONSE TO THE HDRC, WE DID REITERATE THAT THEY DID REQUEST A RENDERING. WE KIND OF DID OUR VEST WITH IT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOTHING AND, UH, YEAH, IT DOESN'T LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FLORAL, UH, PIECES AND SO FORTH. UH, BUT THE COAT OF ARMS, THE, THE, UM, RELIEF, UH, THE DIFFERENT, UH, UH, MODULAR, UH, BACK AND FORTH IS GONNA BE PRODUCED EXACTLY LIKE THAT AND THE, THE TEXT TYPE, UM, BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT THE TEXT IS CENTERED AND EQUALLY SPACED, WHEREAS ON THIS, IT'S NOT, UM, THE SHIELDS LOOK DIFFERENT, ET CETERA, SO. RIGHT. YEAH. YOU UNDERSTAND THE INTENT. WE ALL UNDERSTAND. YES, MA'AM. UM, COPY WHAT'S THERE. YES, MA'AM. THAT WAS MY ONLY CON ABSOLUTELY MY MAIN CONCERN THAT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT OUR INTENT IS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WOULD YES, MR. CHAIRMAN? GO AHEAD, SIR. UM, DOES THE OWNER INTEND TO, WELL, DOES EXISTING SIGN BE SALVAGED AND POSSIBLY DISPLAYED IN A LOBBY SPACE OR SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY AS A HISTORIC ARTIFACT? THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED YET, BUT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I'LL PER I'LL PRESENT THAT TO THEM. UH, I THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT HOPEFULLY WITH, UH, AS IT, HOPEFULLY IT WILL SURVIVE THE REMOVAL OF, OF IT. AND, UH, I WILL MAKE THAT SUGGESTION TO HIM BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF, I DIDN'T REALLY PUT A PICTURE OF THE WHOLE BUILDING IN IT, BUT THERE IS KIND OF A, A DRIVE THROUGH IN TO THE, TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND IN THAT AREA MIGHT BE A GREAT PLACE TO, TO HANG THAT EXISTING, UM, SIGN KIND OF AS AN ARTIFACT OF THE, OF THE BUILDING. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. YES. I'LL SUGGEST THAT TOO. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO, UM, SALVAGE IT AND DISPLAY IT SOMEWHERE ON PROPERTY, UH, JUST TO SHOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT HAD BEEN DONE WHEN THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT. SURE. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FETZER, WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT BE A STIPULATION TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? I WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN, IN ANY MOTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH ALL STAFF'S STAFF STIPULATIONS, INCLUDING STIPULATION NUMBER FIVE TO SALVAGE THE EXISTING SIGN AND UTILIZE IT IN A PUBLIC SETTING. GREAT. THANK YOU. SECOND, THIS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. I JUST THINK THIS IS, UH, THE RIGHT THING TO DO ON THIS BUILDING. GREAT. I APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UM, UM, SO I'D LIKE ALSO LIKE TO STATE THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THE PRESERVING OF THE SIGN ACTUALLY IS A GREAT IDEA, ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN'T DUPLICATE, YOU KNOW, THE EXACT FONT THE WAY IT IS ON THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE HERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL THE WAY IT IS. SO, AND SAVING ADS AND, UM, STORING THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. SO APPRECIATE THAT. UM, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SAV? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GIDA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES, HE STEPPED AWAY. UH, HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 11. YEAH. BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR INDIVIDUAL, JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. UM, I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS EARLIER, BUT ITEM 13 HAS BEEN POSTPONED AGAIN AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. SO THAT ONE WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 180 9 3 25 EAST LOCUST. THE APPLICANT'S [02:00:01] REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE PARTIALLY DEMO, PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING REAR CMU ADDITION TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR ADDITION. THREE. MODIFY THE STRUCTURES FENESTRATION PATTERN FOR MODIFY THE FRONT PORCH. FIVE. MODIFY THE EXISTING ROOF FORM AND MATERIALS. SIX. INSTALL REAR PARKING. SEVEN. MODIFY THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF RECOMMEND OR ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E TO ITEM TWO. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REAR EDITION AT THIS TIME. WHILE THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT MAY BE APPROPRIATE, THE DESIGN DOES NOT CONFORM WITH GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF SUBORDINATION AND DISTINCTION FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE TRADI, UH, TRANSITIONAL ROOF ELEMENTS BETWEEN THE PROPOSED SECOND STORY. ADDITION AND EXISTING FIRST FLOOR ROOF LINE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED IN FAVOR OF A SIMPLE ROOF FORM OVER THE ADDITION THAT IS DISTINCTIVE FROM THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT. ITEM THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D AND FINDING Q WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE HISTORIC WINDOW OPENINGS FOUND ON THE EAST ELEVATION. ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED FRONT PORCH ALTERATIONS WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ONE, THE COLUMNS BE NO WIDER THAN SIX INCHES FEATURED SHAFER CORNERS IN A TRADITIONAL BASIN CAP. AND TWO, THAT THE APP OR THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE FULLY WOOD AND MEET STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. ITEM FIVE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW ROOFING MATERIALS. THE SUSTAIN MATERIALS INCLUDE A PRESSED METAL SHINGLE, WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND SHOULD BE REPAIRED IN KIND WHERE PRESENT. ITEM SIX. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REAR PARKING BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDING T WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A PERMEABLE MATERIAL FOR THE PARKING AREA. IN ITEM SEVEN, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDING YOU WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCLUDE PLANTINGS WITHIN THE PROPOSED GRAVEL AREA. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS GRAVEL, NOT EXCEEDING TWO INCHES IN SIZE. AND THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS GRAVEL NATURAL IN COLOR. THE APPLICANT RICARDO MCCULLOUGH IS HERE IN PERSON. AND, UH, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND PRESENT YOUR GOOD MORNING RICARDO MCCULLOUGH. I'M THE PROJECT DESIGNER AND AFTER ALL THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, I THINK THE ONLY ITEM, UH, LEFT IS, UH, THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION. WE, WE DID HAVE A MEETING ON SITE A FEW WEEKS AGO, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS, AND I'M OPEN TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE SECOND FLOOR. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? NO QUESTIONS. MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? ACTUALLY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. UM, YES SIR. MR. MCCULLOUGH, UM, DO YOU AGREE WITH ANY OF STAFF STIPULATIONS? UH, YES I DO. COULD YOU, COULD YOU, UH, IDENTIFY WHICH ONES YOU AGREE WITH WITH, UH, MOST OF 'EM? THE, THE ONLY ONE WHERE I HAVE A CONCERN IS ABOUT THE, THE, UH, UH, APPROVAL OF THE SECOND FLOOR IF THAT IS GONNA BE APPROVED. UH, IF I NEED TO REDESIGN SOME ELEMENTS OF IT SO WE CAN GET APPROVED OR IT'S NOT GONNA BE POSSIBLE, I BELIEVE. STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATION OR STIPULATION OR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE ROOF FORM OF THE SECOND FLOOR REAR ADDITION NOT TIE INTO THE FRONT HALF OR THE FRONT THREE QUARTERS OF THE BUILDING. THAT IT BE A STANDALONE ROOF WITH, UH, VERTICAL WALLS. MM-HMM, , UH, IS THAT BRIAN, IS THAT MORE WHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING? GENERALLY? SO, YES. OKAY. SO IF YOU'D BE AMENABLE TO THAT. YES, ACTUALLY MY ORIGINAL IDEA WAS TO CONTINUE THAT ROOF, THAT NEW ROOF INTO THE EXISTING ONE TO KEEP THE, THE STRUCTURE FROM, FROM LOOKING LIKE A TWO STORY STRUCTURE FROM THE STREET. BUT THEN IF THAT'S, UH, THE CASE, THEN WE'RE HAVING ANY PROBLEM GOING BACK TO THAT AND JUST KEEPING IT AS A STANDING ALONE ROOF ON THE SECOND FLOOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? SORRY, MR. YOUR CHAIR. UH, SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND, I JUST WANNA BE SURE. THE PROPOSED FRONT [02:05:01] ELEVATION THAT WE SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THE, THAT'S THE SECOND STORY THAT'S, UH, JUTTING OUT FROM THE BACK. YES. AND THE, THAT IS WHAT STAFF IS APPROVING OR ACTUALLY THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS NOT APPROVING. HOW CAN YOU, ON THE SIDE ELEVATION, CAN YOU SUE ME TOWARDS THE SEC? IT'S FURTHER BACK THOUGH. THE OKAY. LIKE, SORRY. EXACTLY. THAT WITH THE, THE CHI NEEDS. OKAY. I'M FINE. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL ATTEMPT A MOTION. UM, I MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION ONE. UH, ITEM TWO, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE TWO STORY REAR EDITION, BUT WITH, UH, STAFF'S STIPULATIONS ON THE ROOF FORM, UH, AND TRANSITION, UH, LANGUAGE. THAT'S IN ITEM TWO. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR, UM, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN. I'LL SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. UM, I ATTENDED ONE OF THE MOST RECENT SITE VISITS AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH A NUMBER OF THE AREAS AND ELEMENTS THAT NEEDED REVISIONS AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF AGREEMENT IN THESE PLACES, SO I'M HAPPY TO, UM, SEE THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO, UM, UM, AMELIORATE THAT SECOND STORY ADDITION IN THE BACK. OKAY. EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE BACK, IT IS HIGHLY VISIBLE AND IT'S REALLY, UH, IMPORTANT THAT IT STAND SEPARATE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. MM-HMM, AND I TOO LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CHANGES, SIR, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOW THE LINEATION, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE, THE OLD AND THE NEW THERE. SO, UM, YEAH, APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. SO NO FURTHER, UM, DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. AYE. GALL. OH, GALLO. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER? AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS. AND MR. MCCULLOUGH? YES. UH, AS YOU DEVELOP YOUR PLAN, UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT FOR ANOTHER DRC. UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET COMMENTS ON THE, THE UPDATED DESIGN, SIR, BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. YES SIR. I APPROACH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I ITEM NUMBER 12, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH TWO 14 1002 CANMAN BOULEVARD. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL SHINGLE AWNINGS ON THE FRONT FACADE WITH COLUMNS TO INSTALL SIX BY SIX WOOD COLUMNS WITH SANFORD BASES AND TRADITIONAL CAPITALS TO THE FRONT PORCH. THREE, MODIFY A PAIR OF GANGED WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE REAR TO ACCOMMODATE A FRENCH DOOR OPENING. AND FOUR, MODIFY ONE WINDOW OPENING ON THE REAR TO A DOOR OPENING. RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE SECOND STORY CANTILEVER BALCONY BASED ON FINDING B. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATION OF THE PAIR OF GANGED WINDOWS TO ACCOMMODATE A FRENCH DOOR BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT ANY STONE REMOVED FROM THE STRUCTURE BE RETAINED AND STORED ON THE PROPERTY FOR FUTURE USE. AND TWO, THAT THE REMOVED WINDOWS BE RETAINED AND STORED ON THE PROPERTY FOR FUTURE USE. ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATION OF ONE WINDOW OPENING ON THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE INTO A SINGLE DOOR OPENING BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT ANY STONE REMOVED FROM THE STRUCTURE BE RETAINED AND STORED FOR FUTURE USE. AND TWO, THAT THE REMOVED WINDOWS BE RETAINED AND STORED ON THE PROPERTY FOR FUTURE USE. THE THE OF, AS OF THIS MORNING THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER HAVE AGREED TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND ALL STIPULATIONS AND THE APPLICANT ADAM OCHOA IS ATTENDING IN PERSON AND CAN SPEAK TO THAT REQUEST. UM, THERE IS ONE LETTER IN THE FOLDER AND ONE VOICEMAIL. WE'RE GONNA HEAR THOSE FIRST. NO, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. OKAY. I'M ADAM OCHOA WITH THE UH, CATMAN PROJECT. MY CLIENT WAS HERE BUT UNFORTUNATELY SHE HAD TO LEAVE. SHE DID SAY THANK YOU AND SHE SAID THAT SHE LOOKS FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT HAYES BRIDGE. SHE WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THAT ONE. UM, BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY, UM, [02:10:01] CLIENT UNDERSTOOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THAT THE AWNING WAS PROBABLY GONNA GET DENIED, WHICH I MENTIONED TO HER, BUT SHE SAID THAT SHE HAD TO AT LEAST ASK AND BE TOLD NO AND EVERYTHING ELSE SHE'S, UH, IN AGREEMENT WITH. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, VOICEMAIL PLEASE. YES, THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, CASE 20 24 2 14 1002 CANMAN BOULEVARD. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR WANTING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTY AND WE SUPPORT MANY OF THE OTHER CHANGES WHICH WILL ALLOW THIS PROPERTY TO BE CONVERTED FROM A MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE PORCH AND BALCONY FACING DONALDSON AVENUE BE PRESERVED AND NOT MODIFIED AS THEY ARE UNIQUE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS. PRESENT ON A FEW HOMES IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT ON THE 500 BLOCK OF CLUB DRIVE AND 400 BLOCK OF NORTH DRIVE, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. WE NOTE THAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RM FOUR AND A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS NON-CONFORMING AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS LIMITED TO 50% IMPROVEMENTS, INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR TO THE HOME BEFORE THE PROPERTY MUST BE REZONED TO SINGLE FAMILY. ALSO, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO APPLY FOR A FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WITH PUBLIC WORK WHICH REGULATES THE FINANCIAL IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THIS PROPERTY. THE CITY'S CODE, WHICH IS A FEMA REGULATION LIMITS IMPROVEMENTS TO 50% OF THE MARKET VALUE OF THE STRUCTURE IN WHICH THE APPLICANT CAN INVEST FOR 10 YEARS AND MAY BE A LIMITING FACTOR IN THE APPLICANT'S DESIRED INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? NO. IF YOU NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR, UM, APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO AYE. SINO AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM 13 HAS BEEN POSTPONED. ITEM 14 PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 16 19 0 2 WEST MISSILE TOE. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 672 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION. THERE IS NOT SIGNI, THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT DOCUMENTATION TO REVIEW FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AT THIS TIME. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT FULLY DIMENSION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE EAST, WEST, AND SOUTH FACADES THAT FEATURE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS AND PROPORTIONS AS FOUND WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK AS DOOR DISTRICT THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT STALL A DOOR ON THE EAST FACADE THAT CONFORMS TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE PROPERTY. AND FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. THE PROPERTY OWNER, ISABELLE RODRIGUEZ IS HERE VIRTUALLY. THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSION REVIEW. UM, MS. RODRIGUEZ WAS ON, BUT I DON'T SEE HER. I SHE WAS THERE MAYBE FIVE MINUTES AGO. DO WE WANNA TRY TO GIVE HER A CALL REAL QUICK TO REJOIN ANYONE? CAN YOU PUT THE PHONE NUMBER SOMEWHERE SO WE HAVE IT? [02:15:10] UM, ACTUALLY, UH, UM, MR. CHAIR, THE APPLICANT JUST EMAILED ME AND NOTED THAT THEY HAVE, UH, AN EMERGENCY AND THEY WANTED TO REQUEST TO POSTPONE AND I HAVE THAT IN WRITING. OKAY, THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MOTION THIS CASE FOR CONTINUANCE TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE OR TO THE NEXT HEARING, WHICH WAS JULY 17TH, 2024. IT'S BEEN MOVED. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND, UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? EXCUSE ME. CASTILLO. AYE. SINO? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA. AYE. EVADO. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.