Aug 20, 2019 Zoning Commission on 2019-08-20 1:00 PM

WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? OKAY.

PRIOR TO COMMENCING OUR MEETING STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE.

SO BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATES OR TURN THEM OFF.

ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.

YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER.

STAFF.

WE BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST.

PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT.

PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN EX INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION.

FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THE REQUEST FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING.

YOU'LL BE CALLED AN ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION.

YOU WILL HEAR THIS WHEN THERE ARE 30 SECONDS LEFT, YOU'LL HEAR ANOTHER BEEP AND WE WILL INFORM YOU THAT YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.

FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES.

THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.

THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UM, MAY WE PLEASE, UM, GO OVER OUR COMBINED HEARING ITEMS, PLEASE.

OH, WAIT.

BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN WE, UH, REVIEW ANY CASES THAT HAVE BEEN POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN? YES, MA'AM.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IN COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE OFF OF 1 0 7 WEST ASHBY PLACE IS POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.

THIS CASE WILL NOT BE REVIEWED TODAY.

IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE FOR, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THAT CASE IS NOT BEING HEARD TODAY.

COULD WE GO OVER THE COMBINED HEARING PLEASE? YES.

[Items 4 - 6, 8, & 12 - 14]

I NEED ONE PERSON TO COME TO THE DESK RIGHT QUICK, QUICK SO WE CAN CLARIFY.

UH, ISAAC MORAN.

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, ITEMS 4, 5, 6, 8, 12, 13, AND 14 ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR COMBINED HEARING TODAY.

JUST AS FAR AS UPDATING YOUR LIST FROM WORK.

SESSION ITEM 15 WAS BROUGHT DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL.

ALL RIGHT, COMBINED HEARING ITEM NUMBER FOUR TO RESUME FROM C ONE A H O D TO C TWO S A H O D WITH SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A BAR AND OR TAVERN WITHOUT COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK.

LOCATED AT TWO 17 CASABLANCA, THERE WERE 12 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION.

NO RESPONSE FROM GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE TO REZONE FROM R SIX A H O D TO I D Z ONE A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED FOR ONE DWELLING UNIT AT 7 27 EAST PARK AVENUE.

THERE WERE 32 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

ITEM NUMBER SIX,

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TO REZONE FROM R FIVE A H O D TO PUD, R FIVE A H O D LOCATED AT 1 2 2 0 0 SOUTH US HIGHWAY 2 81.

THERE WERE FOUR NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, TO REZONE FROM MF 33 E P ONE TO C TWO E P ONE WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME TO R AND FOUR E P ONE WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.

LOCATED AT 2010 BURNETT STREET, THERE WERE 22 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM HARVARD PLACED EAST LAWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

ITEM NUMBER 12, TO REONE FROM NC TO C TWO P WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.

LOCATED AT 1542 WEST HARLAN AVENUE, THERE WERE 30 NOTICES MAILED NONE RECEIVED IN OP IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION.

NO RESPONSE FROM NIA COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

ITEM NUMBER 13, TO REZONE FROM A E TWO A H O D TO I D Z ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 6 0 3 AND 6 0 7 MONTANA STREET.

THERE WERE 38 NOTICES MAILED NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION.

AND DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.

ITEM NUMBER 14 TO REZONE FROM I ONE A H O D TO C THREE A H O D AT 84 14 BROADWAY STREET.

THERE WERE 18 NOTICES MAILED TWO IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM OAK PARK NORTHWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

MADAM CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER BUSANTE AYE.

THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION.

MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR ITEMS 4 5 6 8 12, 13 AND 14.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.

AND MADAM CHAIR? YES.

UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE INDIVIDUAL HEARINGS.

PLEA HEARING ITEMS PLEASE FOR NUMBER ONE.

FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A RECUSAL FOR MS. UH, COMMISSIONER SUMMER GREATHOUSE.

[1. 19-6043 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700125 ERZD (Council District 9): Arequest for a zoning change from "C-2 GC-3 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD"Commercial US 281 North Gateway Corridor Camp Bullis MilitaryLighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge ZoneDistrict and "MXD GC-3 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD" Mixed-Use US281 North Gateway Corridor Camp Bullis Military Lighting OverlayMilitary Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District to "MF-25GC-3 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD" Low Density Multi-Family US 281North Gateway Corridor Camp Bullis Military Lighting OverlayMilitary Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District on 2.919acres out of CB 4865 and CB 4926, generally located at OverlookParkway and Highway 281 North. Staff recommends Approval,pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan AmendmentPA-2019-11600034) (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208,Michael.Pepe@SanAntonio.gov, Development Services Department)]

SHE'S, UH, LEAVING NOW FOR RECORD.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

MICHAEL PEPPY PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THIS IS ITEM ONE.

UM, IT'S, UH, AT THE, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF OVERLOOKED PARKWAY AND US 2 81 NORTH.

THERE'S A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C TWO AND M X D TO MF 25 8 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.

ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, NONE WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.

THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.

THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.

UM, MAY WE HAVE, UH, THE SAWS REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, MIKE BARR WITH THE RESOURCE PROTECTION DIVISION OF THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM.

I'M HERE TO PRESENT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ZONING CASE C 20 19, 1 0 7 0 0 1 2 5.

UM, THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD CASE.

UH, WE REVIEWED THE ZONING CASE TO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT OVERLOOKED PARKWAY IN 2 81.

UH, THERE IS NO FLOOD PLAIN.

UH, THERE ARE NO SENSITIVE GEOLOGIC FEATURES.

UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR 50% IMPERVIOUS COVER FOR THE 2.919 ACRES.

ALLOWED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

THIS IS A, IF YOU CAN, AS MIKE BARR SAID, THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ZONING CASE.

MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.

JAMES MCKNIGHT, 1 1 2 EAST PECAN REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE, UM, APPLICANT IN THIS CASE.

UM, SO

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THIS IS THE, THIS IS A VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS A VIEW OF THE TWO AREAS THAT WE ARE REZONING.

IT'S A C TWO AND AN M X D.

THE REST OF THE AREA IN YELLOW IS THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE BRINGING HERE.

THAT'S A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT M X D, THE REST OF THAT YELLOW OUTLINE IS ALREADY M X D AND ALREADY ALLOWS MF 25.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE JUST ADDING A PIECE OF IT TO THE PUZZLE TO CREATE A LARGER FOOTPRINT.

DOESN'T ALLOW US, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO CREATE MORE UNITS, BUT WE'RE NOT ADDING MORE UNITS.

WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST SPREADING OUT THE DENSITY A LITTLE MORE TO CREATE A BETTER LAYOUT FOR THE PROPERTY.

THIS WAS THE, THE PLAN AS IT EXISTS, THE NORTH SECTOR PLAN, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO CHANGE THAT TO GENERAL URBAN TIER, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE, SURROUNDS 1.9 ACRES THERE.

THAT'S THE C TWO PORTION.

THIS WOULD BE THE LAYOUT THAT WE WOULD, WOULD DO TODAY.

UM, 298 UNITS ARE ALLOWED ON THE 11 ACRES THAT IS ALREADY ZONED M X D MF 25.

UM, WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING 264, BUT IF WE GET THE REZONING, THE LAYOUT BECOMES A LOT CLEANER, BETTER, UM, CREATES LARGER SETBACKS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S TO OUR WEST.

SO THAT IS THE, REALLY, THAT'S THE ONLY PURPOSE FOR THE, THE REZONING TODAY.

AND, AND AS STEPH SAID, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA.

UM, THIS IS A, A VIEW OF A PRODUCT THAT HAS THAT, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED ON IN THE PAST.

SO THAT'S IT FOR US.

IS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? NO, MA'AM.

COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION TO SAS.

YES MA'AM.

MR. BARR, WE HAVE 50%, UH, ALLOWABLE.

IS THAT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR? OR IS THAT WHAT IS ALLOWABLE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? IT IS A CATEGORY TWO PROPERTY FOR, SO FOR MULTIFAMILY, THAT IS WHAT IT IS LIMITED TO.

UM, WE DID MEET WITH THE APPLICANT AT LEAST ONCE, MAYBE TWICE, AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT.

AND JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT.

YES, MA'AM.

YES, MR. , COULD YOU JUST KIND OF GO OVER, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU'RE SPREADING THE DENSITY OUT.

WOULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? SO IF WE, IF YOU HAD IT ALL CONDENSED IN ONE AREA, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING? RIGHT.

SO THE, THE DENSITY THAT WE WOULD BE AT IF WE JUST HAD THE ACREAGE THAT WE'RE AT TODAY IS AT ABOUT 22 UNITS AN ACRE.

SO IF WE SPREAD OUT THE DENSITY, THE 264 UNITS OVER 15 ACRES, THAT BECOMES MORE LIKE 17.6 DENSITY.

SO WE'RE SPREADING THE DENSITY OUT.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT WITH THE LIMITED NUMBER OF ACREAGE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO UP A LITTLE MORE.

THOSE ARE, THAT'S SHOWING FOUR STORY BUILDINGS THERE THAT ARE, THAT ARE SORT OF GROUPED TOWARDS ONE END.

BUT THIS LAYOUT SHOWS THREE STORY BUILDINGS THAT WE CAN SORT OF SPREAD THOSE UNITS OUT.

IS, DOES THE PARKING, IS THERE LESS OR THE SAME OR MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER WITH THE PARKING ON YOUR NEW PLAN VERSUS THE, THE, UH, FOUR STORY PLAN? THERE'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER, I MEAN, SORRY, MORE, UM, PERVIOUS COVER ON THE LARGER ACREAGE.

SO THERE WOULD BE MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THE, ON THIS PLAN THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER BECAUSE WITHOUT THE ZONING CASE THAT HAS ITS OWN IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS, UM, BY ACTUALLY COMING THROUGH HERE, THAT ACTUALLY REDUCES OUR IMPERVIOUS COVER, UM, STATUTORILY.

BIT ABOUT THAT? UH, WHEN THIS, THE VERY FIRST STEP OF THIS PROJECT WAS THE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX IS, IS PROPOSED TO BE A 4% TAX CREDIT COMPLEX.

AND THEN IF WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURE THAT HAD LOOKS LIKE WATER SOURCE THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? SO I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT THAT'S, NO, THAT'S GRASS.

IS THERE A RETENTION OR DETENTION POND ON THE SITE? THERE'S THAT IS THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE MANDATORY, UM, DETENTION, YOU KNOW, PLANNED IN AS PART OF THE PROPERTY.

YES, MA'AM.

AND THEN, UH, DID YOU DO A TIA PRIOR TO THIS, THIS NEW LAYOUT? WAS THERE ONE DONE PRIOR OR THE ONE, ANY TIA AT ALL? NO, WE WERE DEFERRING THE, THE T I A UNTIL THE PLATTING STAGE.

DO YOU HAVE AN ANTICIPATION ON ON THE TRAFFIC COUNTS? UM, I, I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT.

'CAUSE IT, IT HASN'T CHANGED BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE STILL AT THE SAME AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT IT'S, IT'S STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF UNITS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND ACTUALLY COMING DOWN FROM THE, THE C TWO TO THE M TO THE MF 25, IT DOES ACTUALLY REDUCE THE CALCULATIONS IN TERMS TERMS OF NUMBER OF CARS.

UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HAD A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, DISCUSSION AMONGST, UH, THE COMMUNITY.

UM, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE

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THE VERY FIRST STEP IN THAT IS TO REQUEST A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WENT TO A, UH, PLANNING COMMITTEE BEFORE IT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND IT WAS AT THAT COMMITTEE THAT A FEW MEMBERS OF THE, THE PUBLIC THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE NOT IN CITY LIMITS FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AND FELT LIKE THEY HAD NOT BEEN INFORMED.

AND WE HAD FOLLOWED THE PROCESS THE ENTIRE WAY.

THEY JUST, WHEN THEY CAME TO THAT COMMITTEE, THEY WERE UPSET THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW MORE ABOUT IT.

WE VOLUNTARILY HELD A LARGE MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY SO THAT, THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT TOOK PLACE, UM, AND THE PROCESS OF THE, THE TAX CREDIT PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS OF HOW YOU GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO WE, WE HAD THAT MEETING AND DISCUSSED THOSE AT LENGTH WITH, WITH THE PUBLIC.

SO I THINK WE HAVE AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY HERE IN DISTRICT NINE.

AND I WANTED, UH, PETCO, JUST TO ANSWER ONE QUICK QUESTION I HAD ALSO, BUT WE DID, UM, HAVE, WE DO HAVE THAT NEW VIA BUS STATION THERE ON 2 81.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT OF 2 81 ITSELF.

SO, UH, WE ARE NOW OPEN FOR BUSINESS JUST ABOUT OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY.

SO I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION TO PETCO ON THE IDEA OF THIS BEING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I THINK MORE THE IDEA OF AFFORDABLE LIVING AND WORKING AND PLAYING.

IF HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO WILL LIVE IN A MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX OF THIS, OF AFFORDABLE NATURE WILL WORK IN THE VICINITY OF THAT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT? I'M JEAN SHAW WITH PCOR INVESTMENTS, UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

UM, UH, UH, I'LL BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.

ONE OF, ONE OF THE REASONS WE SELECTED THIS SITE, UM, IS BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A HUGE DEMAND FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, IN THAT AREA.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE, UH, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN STONE OAK THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS THAT WILL LIVE HERE.

UH, SERVICE SECTOR, JOBS, ENTRY LEVEL JOBS, ADMINISTRATIVE JOBS.

UH, THE FOLKS THAT LIVE HERE MAKE 60% OF AREA MEETING INCOME, WHICH IS ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO $50,000, UM, ANNUALLY.

AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, THE STONE OAK AREA HAS, UM, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF THOSE JOBS.

BUT YOU'VE, YOU'VE DONE OTHER SIMILAR BUILDINGS.

SO ON THOSE TYPE OF PROJECTS, DO YOU FIND THAT MANY LIVE AND, AND WORK WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THOSE? AND YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT HERE FOR THE SONO AREA? I WOULD ABSOLUTELY ANTICIPATE THAT HERE, YES.

AND, AND THAT HAS BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE.

UM, THAT'S PART OF, UM, PART OF THE GOAL OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING IS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO WORK AND LIVE, UH, LIVE CLOSE TO WHERE THEY WORK.

UH, COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT INTO HOW YOU ALSO MANAGE EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES? YOU DON'T, AREN'T THE BUILDERS OF THEM AND THE DEVELOPERS OF THEM? THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, PEG CORE INVESTMENTS IS A FULLY INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.

UH, WE DEVELOP, UM, THEN ALSO HAVE OUR OWN AFFILIATED CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.

AND THEN OUR BUSINESS MODEL IS TO OWN FOR UPWARDS OF 25 YEARS.

WE'RE REQUIRED TO OWN THE PROPERTY FOR 15 YEARS.

UM, BUT OUR BUSINESS MODEL IS TO OWN FOR A LONGER TIME THAN THAT.

WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND, UM, AND SO HAVE PROOF OF THAT.

WE ALSO HAVE AN AFFILIATE, UM, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

SO WE CONTROL THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AS WELL.

IS THAT MANAGEMENT COMPANY YOU USE THAT AT OTHER, ALL OTHER PROPERTIES THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL? ALL OF THEM, YES MA'AM.

AND HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN MANAGING FOR YOU? UH, ALSO 30 YEARS.

MADAM CHAIR, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

I'LL MOVE IT TO THE COMMISSIONS.

UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT WITH QUESTIONS? OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT WITH QUESTIONS.

UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.

UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE TO DISTRICT NINE, A NEW WAY OF THINKING ABOUT HOW WE, UH, BRING IN DIFFERENT SOURCES OF INCOME AND DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INCOME INTO DISTRICT NINE.

WE TEND TO BE THAT DISTRICT OF, OF JUST, UH, THE FAMOUS AND THE RICH, I SUPPOSE .

WE'RE NOT ALWAYS, UM, BUT I'M VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THEM HERE AND JOIN WITH MY COUNCILMAN IN MAKING THAT MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, UH, GOING TO A RESTAURANT, GETTING A LOT OF SERVICE NOW.

I'LL HAVE MORE THAN ONE THERE.

SO VAN CHAIR FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE.

I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

UM, ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? OKAY.

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UH, YES.

COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL TO THE APPLICANT.

UM, JUST COULD YOU WALK ME THROUGH JUST THE DESIGN REAL QUICKLY? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT, BUT I WANNA BE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.

THE ENTRANCE IS OFF OF OVERLAKE PARKWAY.

COULD YOU POINT THAT OUT FOR ME HERE AND THE ROAD COMES AROUND? THAT'S RIGHT.

I WAS LOOKING TO SEE WHAT KIND OF BUFFER THERE WILL BE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING AND YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE, AS PART OF WHEN THIS LAND WAS ANNEXED IN 2016, THE M X D PLAN WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, INCLUDED A 90 FOOT MANDATORY BUFFER RIGHT THERE.

UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

ANY COMMENTS OR, OR DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE READY FOR A ROLL CALL.

VOTE PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER BUSTA MONTE AYE.

GOOD AFTERNOON ZONING COMMISSIONERS PATRICIA FRANCO ZONING LOCATED AT 21 3 3 94 SSA DRIVE AND 21 6 22 MESA DRIVE.

[2. 19-6065 (Continued from 08/06/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700139(Council District 8): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6MLOD-1 MLR-1 MSAO-1" Residential Single-Family Camp BullisMilitary Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Camp BullisMilitary Sound Attenuation Overlay District to "PUD MF-18 MLOD-1MLR-1 MSAO-1" Planned Unit Development Limited DensityMulti-Family Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military LightingRegion 1 Camp Bullis Military Sound Attenuation Overlay District witha reduced perimeter setback of 10 feet on Lots 30, 31, 32, 33 and 34,NCB 35733, located at 21394 Milsa Drive and 21622 Milsa Drive.Staff recommends Approval. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210)207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development ServicesDepartment)]

ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING FROM R SIX TO PUD MF 18 WITH A REDUCED PERIMETER SETBACK OF FIF OF 10 FEET.

14 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE FRIENDS OF SAN ANTONIO NATURAL AREAS.

ADDITIONALLY, A LETTER OF NON OPPOSITION WAS RECEIVED FROM THE STONEWALL ESTATES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THE CURRENT R SIX SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.

THE PROPOSED PUD MF 18 PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT IS ALSO APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT.

UH, PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND SIGNIFICANTLY LESS DENSE THAN OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.

MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.

JAMES GRIFFIN, BRANDON ORTIZ, 1 1 2 EAST PECAN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

UM, HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS CASE LAST TIME IT WAS CONTINUED.

UM, THIS AREA, UM, AS I, AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME, SO I 10 IS JUST OVER HERE, UH, VERY HIGH GROWTH AREA.

YOU HAVE, UH, SEVERAL NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE AREA UP ON THE I 10 FRONTAGE.

YOU HAVE, UH, SEVERAL NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS, A LOT OF HIGH INTENSITY USES, UH, AND A LOT OF JUST DEVELOPMENT, UH, GOING ON, UH, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.

UH, HERE YOU HAVE FRIEDRICH PARK THAT KIND OF HEADS OFF TO THE WEST, AND THEN SOME SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

THIS IS STONEWALL ESTATES RIGHT HERE.

UH, A LITTLE HISTORY, UH, ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

UM, IT STARTED WITH A PROPOSAL FOR 72 UNITS.

UH, IT'S ON THE, THE SIZE OF THIS TRACK IS 5.15 ACRES.

UH, IT STARTED WITH 72 UNITS.

UH, WE REACHED OUT TO THE FRIENDS OF SAN ANTONIO NATURAL AREAS AND TO STONEWALL STATES, UH, VERY EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS.

UH, BACK IN MAY ACTUALLY, UH, STONEWALL STATES, AS YOU HEARD, UH, IS IN SUPPORT, UH, OF THE REQUEST.

UH, STONEWALL STATES IS THOSE ARE THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.

THOSE ARE WHERE THE, THE HOMES ARE.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER USES IN THE AREA, AS I JUST DESCRIBED.

AND AS YOU'VE HEARD, UH, THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, REALLY ACROSS THE STREET, UH, ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST.

UH, THE FRIENDS OF SAN ANTONIO NATURAL AREAS, UM, UH, STARTED OFF, UH, HAVING, UH, GOOD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.

UM, THEY REQUESTED A HANDFUL OF PROTECTIONS TO BE INCLUDED IN RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS FOR THE PARK.

UH, WE AGREED TO, UH, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM, UH, AT THE LAST, UH, ZONING COMMISSION HEARING.

WE EVEN, UH, CONTINUED THE ITEM TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE ANOTHER BOARD MEETING.

UH, WE HAD PRESENTED TO THEIR BOARD, MET WITH THEM IN JULY.

UM, THE, THEY'VE KIND OF GONE SILENT ON US, QUITE HONESTLY.

SO THERE HADN'T BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF COMMUNICATION BACK.

WE'VE REALLY BEEN NEGOTIATING AGAINST OURSELVES ON THOSE COVENANTS.

BUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ASKED FOR, UH, WE'VE AGREED TO, BUT WE, WE QUITE HONESTLY CAN'T GET A RESPONSE.

I, I BELIEVE DR.

ROMERO TRIED TO, UH, COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AS WELL AND, AND, AND HADN'T HEARD MUCH.

WE WERE HOPING, UH, AND THINKING THAT THEY WOULD BE HERE TODAY, BUT, UH, BUT HAVEN'T SEEN 'EM.

SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S STILL KIND OF AN OPEN-ENDED ITEM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THEY'VE ASKED FOR, WE'VE AGREED TO.

UM, UH, AS YOU HEARD, THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, UM, UH, NO, NO OPPOSITION, UM, REALLY A COMPATIBLE LAND USE STAFF IS

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RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.

DR.

ROMERO, AND, AND VERY RECENTLY, I THINK THE FRIENDS OF, OF FRIEDRICH, FRIENDS OF SAN ANTONIO NATIONAL AREA, UM, HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ADDITIONAL DENSITY REDUCTION.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING LONG AND HARD ON THAT, UM, TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

AND, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT, UH, WE BROUGHT IT DOWN FROM 72 DOWN TO 62 AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, AND WE CAN BRING IT DOWN ANOTHER SIX.

UM, UH, I, I BELIEVE DR.

ROMERO'S REQUEST WAS TO BRING IT DOWN, UH, 10 UNITS.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE FOUR OFF THERE.

UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROJECT DOESN'T WORK WITH, UH, ANOTHER FOUR UNIT REDUCTION.

UH, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT, WHAT THE REASON THERE IS, UM, PROTECTION OF THE PARK, I, I, I DON'T SEE HOW FOUR HOMES REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

WHAT WHAT DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IS, UH, ALL THESE PROTECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE, UH, FOR THAT PARK.

UM, AND, AND I'LL GET TO THOSE IN A SECOND.

THE OTHER, UH, THING I WANNA MENTION ABOUT THE DENSITY IS REALLY THE COMPATIBILITY OF, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

WHAT'S IN THE AREA.

UH, YOU SEE ON THIS AREA HERE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX TO THE NORTH, UH, THAT'S AT 33 UNITS AN ACRE.

UH, THIS ONE IS AT, UH, 18 UNITS AN ACRE, UH, ADJACENT ON OUR BORDER HERE.

SO WE HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BORDERING US HERE.

ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX, JUST A BLOCK TO THE SOUTH, THAT'S AT 25 UNITS AN ACRE.

UH, AND THEN JUST IN, UH, DECEMBER OF THIS LAST YEAR, A CASE WAS BEFORE Y'ALL, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, UH, AT THE CORNER OF ERMAN ANDERMAN, UH, JUST ABOUT TWO BLOCKS SOUTH DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM, UH, THE PARK AS WELL.

UH, AND THAT WAS, UH, APPROVED FOR MIXED USE, WHICH INCLUDED 10 ACRES OF MF 18, UH, AND ABOUT 15 AND A HALF ACRES OF SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UM, UH, UNDER 11 UNITS AN ACRE.

SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A THIRD FROM WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET TO OUR NORTH, ABOUT A HALF FROM WHAT'S ADJACENT TO US, UH, ON OUR EASTERN BOUNDARY.

UH, AND SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN HALF FROM THE TWO RECENT PROJECTS TO OUR SOUTH.

UM, THE, THE, THE PROTECTIONS THAT I MENTIONED, AND, AND THOSE ARE, UH, HAVE COME UP IN THE DISCUSSIONS.

AND, AND I THINK THESE ARE, UH, REALLY THE IMPORTANT PIECES.

AND THESE CAN BE DONE BECAUSE OF THE UNITS THAT WE'RE, UH, PUTTING ON THIS PROPERTY.

UH, AND THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE A, A LARGE BUFFER.

UM, UH, DR.

ROMERO REQUESTED A A 30 FOOT BUFFER, UH, ALONG OUR WESTERN PROPERTY LINE TO KIND OF SEPARATE THIS PROJECT FROM THE PARK.

UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO DO, WE'RE ABLE TO FIT IN ALMOST A 50 FOOT BUFFER.

UH, THAT WILL INCLUDE BASICALLY UNDISTURBED AREA.

UH, THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK INSTALLED, BUT THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY PAVEMENT THAT WILL GO THERE.

SO, UH, FROM SSA MOVING ONTO OUR PROJECT, BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO OUR, UH, FENCE, WHERE THAT'LL BE INSTALLED IS A, AGAIN, ALMOST 50 FEET OF UNDISTURBED LAND TO REALLY PROVIDE THAT SEPARATION, UH, FROM THE PARK TO OUR PROJECT.

UM, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, AND AGAIN, UH, EVERYTHING THE FRIENDS ASKED FOR IN THE, IN THE COVENANTS, UM, WE, WE ARE, AND STILL WILLING TO DO.

THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTIONS ON CATS, LIGHTING SPEAKERS, UH, HANDFUL OF OTHER THINGS.

UH, SOME OF THE MORE IMPORTANT FEATURES AT, AT LEAST I BELIEVE, ARE A RESTRICTION AGAINST ACCESS, UH, ON SSA HERE.

SO OUR PRIMARY, OUR ONLY ACCESS POINT, UH, IS ON THIS SSA, THE EAST WEST SSA.

SO THERE ARE NO ENTRANCES, UH, OR EXITS FACING THE PARK.

UM, AND, AND THAT'S, I, I THINK, PRETTY CRITICAL TO PROTECTIONS OF THE PARK.

ALSO WORTH MENTIONING, BOTH IN THE PARK PROTECTIONS AND THE, UH, DENSITY DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT ZONING WOULD ALLOW ABOUT 37 HOMES.

UH, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING BETWEEN THE 30 AND 37 HOMES COULD FIT ON THAT PROPERTY.

EXCUSE ME.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE LONGER PART OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE NORTH, SOUTH SSA FACING THE PARK.

IF THIS WERE DEVELOPED UNDER ITS CURRENT ZONING, UH, WITH ALL THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YOU'D HAVE ALL THOSE DRIVEWAYS, MOST OF THEM BEING ON SSA FACING THE PARK.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE RESTRICTED ON ACCESS THERE.

SO, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN AGREED TO USE OF NATIVE PLANTS RESTRICTION ON, UH, NON-NATIVE EXOTIC SPECIES, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE DESIGNED THERE TO, UH, TO PROTECT THE PARK.

SO I THINK MAYBE THE ONLY ISSUE HERE IS, UH, UH, FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS, IS THE DIFFERENCE THERE.

BUT WE HAVE GONE DOWN BY 16 FROM OUR ORIGINAL PLAN.

UM, SORRY.

UM, SO TO SUM IT UP, UH, WE HAVE, UH, NEIGHBOR RESIDENT SUPPORT.

THE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE, UH, STAFF IS SUPPORT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN OUT THERE.

UM, SORRY.

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AGAIN, A THIRD FROM WHAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, AND, UH, LESS THAN HALF FROM WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR EASTERN PROPERTY LINE.

AND TO THE TWO PROJECTS TO THE SOUTH.

UH, WE HAVE COME DOWN ON THE NUMBER OF HOMES.

THANK YOU, UM, HAVE COME DOWN ON THE NUMBER OF HOMES SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, STARTING WITH THE 72, DROPPED IT DOWN BY BY 10, AND THEN BY ANOTHER SIX, UH, TO ARRIVE AT THE NUMBER WE HAVE NOW, WHICH AGAIN, IS LESS THAN 11 UNITS PER ACRE.

UH, SIGNIFICANT PARK PROTECTIONS.

UM, AND REALLY, I THINK THIS CLIENT HAS DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUESTS FROM, FROM THE FRIENDS, FROM OTHERS.

REALLY DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO MAKE THIS A PROJECT THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

SINCE I CAN'T TALK ANYMORE, I'LL, I'LL, UH, I'LL STOP THERE, BUT, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM.

UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO.

JAMES.

HAVE A DRINK AND OF WATER.

COME BACK.

WHY NOT, JAMES, PLEASE.

UH, CURRENTLY WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, AND I KNOW YOU SAID YOU HAVE, YOU COULD GET 37 HOMES ON THERE THAT WOULD INVOLVE RE PLATTING THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? UH, YES.

THE, THE PROPERTY WILL HAVE TO BE RE PLATTED WITH ANY, ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND, AND WHY IS IT THAT THE HOMES HAVE TO FACE SSA DRIVE? I THINK JUST PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, UM, YOU SEE THAT'S A LOT MORE FRONTAGE ON THAT SSA THAN THERE IS ON THE EAST WEST SSA.

UH, THERE WOULD BE DRIVEWAYS IF IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT UNDER ITS CURRENT ZONING, AND THERE'D BE DRIVEWAYS ON, ON BOTH SSA'S.

UH, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM, UH, AGAIN, JUST PRACTICALLY SPEAKING FROM A LOT LAYOUT, WOULD BE, UH, ON THE NORTH-SOUTH NSSA FACING THE PARK.

AND IT WOULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED AS A SINGLE FAMILY PROJECT WHERE ALL THE HOMES, SINCE THERE'S ONLY 37, WHERE THEY ALL SORT OF FACED INTO THE MIDDLE AND HAD A, AN INTERNAL DRIVE IN THERE, IT, IT, IT, IT'S POSSIBLE.

I DOUBT IT BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENT LAND USES YOU HAVE, UM, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ON OUR EASTERN BOUNDARY THAT YOU CAN SEE, IT GOES RIGHT UP TO THAT BOUNDARY.

UH, THERE'S ONE HOME AND THREE RENT HOUSES, I BELIEVE, ON THE PROPERTY TO OUR SOUTH PROPERTY TO OUR SOUTH, SPOKEN TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY'RE LOOKING TO REDEVELOP THAT INTO, UM, THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT TOWN HOMES OR, UH, AN OFFICE COMPLEX OR A MIX OF BOTH.

OBVIOUSLY THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS, THIS PROCESS.

BUT, UM, UH, ALL THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, IF HOMES ARE GONNA BE BUILT THERE, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO FACE TOWARDS THE PARK.

THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

UH, WE'RE HERE UNDER OUR CURRENT LAYOUT.

WE HAVE THE, THE TOWN HOME PROJECT THAT, THAT IS ABLE TO HAVE EVERYTHING KIND OF FACING, FACING INWARD, UM, AND, UH, CREATING ITS OWN LITTLE COMMUNITY THERE.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR PUD PLAN A MINUTE.

UM, THE ONE WE'RE SEEING HAS 62 HOMES ON IT, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

BUT SO, BUT EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN.

THERE'S 62 UNITS, BUT THEY'RE PUT TOGETHER AS 31 DUPLEX, 31 STRUCTURES, YES.

62 UNITS.

UM, WE ARE WILLING TO REDUCE THAT BY SIX TODAY, SIX UNITS NOW.

AND, AND, AND THAT, SORRY, THAT, AND THAT REDUCTION ALLOWS FOR EVEN MORE OPEN SPACE.

THE, THE PROJECT WAS DESIGNED WITH, UM, UH, A PARK ON SITE, WHICH WAS MEANT FOR A COUPLE REASONS.

ONE, TO, UH, KEEP FOLKS ON SITE AND KIND OF AWAY FROM FRIEDRICH PARK, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND IS OVERLY USED.

UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOWHERE NEAR SIZE AND AND USE OF FRIEDRICH PARK, BUT, UH, ALLOWS FOR SOME OPEN SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO USE FOR, FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THEIR, TAKE THEIR DOGS OUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

UH, REDUCING BY THAT SIX UNITS, UH, INCREASES THE SIZE OF THE PARK AND ACTUALLY ADDS ANOTHER LITTLE, UH, GREEN SPACE AREA, UH, CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE.

HOW LARGE IS THAT INTERNAL PARK? UM, THE, THE INTERNAL PARK IS, UH, IS ABOUT AN ACRE.

UM, THE OVERALL GREEN SPACE IS, UH, ADDS UP TO A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE AND A HALF OUT OF THAT FIVE PLUS ACRE OVERALL PROPERTY.

ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND ABOUT THAT, UH, BUFFER THAT'S SHOWN ON SSA.

AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, CAN YOU REVIEW FOR US WITH A PUD PLAN, UH, IF THIS IS APPROVED WITH THIS PUD PLAN, WHAT CHANGES ARE THEY ALLOWED TO MAKE TO THE P PLAN IN THE FUTURE? AND WHO HAS TO APPROVE THOSE WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO COME BACK TO ZONING COMMISSION? I'M INTERESTED IN PARTICULARLY

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MAJOR AMENDMENTS REQUIRE REZONING.

SO FOR PUTT APPROVAL, THERE IS, UH, MINOR AMENDMENTS AND MAJOR AMENDMENTS.

MINOR AMENDMENTS ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.

UM, SO A MINOR AMENDMENT, UH, CAN EQUAL LESS THAN 10% IN THE INCREASE IN OVERALL DENSITY.

SO IF HE'S APPROVED FOR 60 UNITS, HE CAN, THROUGH A MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS, GET SIX MORE.

THE MINOR AMENDMENTS ARE JUST ADMINISTRATIVE.

THEY GO THROUGH STAFF ONLY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

NOW, WHAT IF THEY HAVE 56? HOW DO YOU HANDLE FRACTIONS? SO WE NORMAL ROUNDING, UH, METHOD.

SO IF IT'S 0.5 OR MORE, WE ROUND UP, IF THEY DID THIS WITH 56, THEY COULD GET RIGHT BACK TO THE 62 THAT IS SHOWN RIGHT NOW, JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY.

SO IF IT'S, IF 56 TIMES 10% IS 5.6 AND IT EQUALS SIX, SO THEY GET SIX MORE ON TOP OF THE 56.

SO THAT GETS YOU BACK TO THE 62.

AND IF I CAN MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT, THAT, UH, THE DENSITY, THE EXACT NUMBER, UH, WAS INCLUDED IN THOSE COVENANTS, I THINK WE'RE STILL OPTIMISTIC THAT WE CAN, UH, FI FIND ANOTHER PARTY, UH, OR THE SAME PARTY, HAVE THEM SHOW UP, I GUESS, UH, TO EXECUTE THOSE COVENANTS.

THE, THE COVENANTS AGAIN HAD, UH, AND WILL HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, WITHOUT THAT 10%, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, BUMP.

DID YOU ALSO ASK ABOUT THE PERIMETER SETBACK? UH, SO THAT THE, A REDUCTION IN THE PERIMETER SETBACK AFTER WHAT IS APPROVED BY COUNSEL WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO COUNSEL JAMES, LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS 'CAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THEM KNOWING THE 10%, KNOWING WHERE YOU WANNA BE, KNOWING WHERE I WANT YOU TO BE.

WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO CHANGE? WHAT, WHAT COULD WE REALLY TALK ABOUT HERE? WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, UM, TO CHANGE THIS PUD PLAN TO TODAY WHEN THE, ANY NUMBER LOWER THAN 56, THE, THE 56 UNITS IS THE, THE LOWEST WE CAN GO.

AND, AND WE'VE TRIED, UH, A DOZEN DIFFERENT WAYS TO, TO LOOK AT THAT, TO RECONFIGURE IT.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE 10% BUMP, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T UTILIZE.

AND, AND YEAH, WE, WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE COVENANTS BECAUSE THAT IS A WAY TO FIND, TUNE THE DETAILS.

UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GONNA GO ABOVE 56, BUT WE CANNOT GO BELOW 56.

WELL, THAT'S FRANK.

UM, BUT ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'M JUST GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.

UM, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, GIVEN A REPRESENTATION, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

GIVEN A REPRESENTATION LIKE THIS WHERE JAMES HAS SAID IT'S 56, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO GO AGAINST THAT? I MEAN, IN LAW, WE WOULD TYPICALLY SAY THAT HE WOULD BE EQUITABLY ATO FROM TELLING US ONE THING AND THEN SEEKING SOMETHING ELSE, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GET IT FROM MOM, SO YOU GO ASK DAD .

SO IF YOU WANTED TO TOP AT 56, THEN YOU NEED TO DECREASE IT BY 10% AND APPROVE IT FOR LESS THAN 10%.

SO HE TOPS AT 56 WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF 10%, BUT HE WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS, EVEN THOUGH HOPEFULLY WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.

IF, IF THAT WERE THE ACTION TAKEN TODAY.

CORRECT, HE WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS.

AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO IT.

BUT IF YOU WANTED TO TOP AT 56, THEN HE NEEDS TO REDUCE THE REQUEST BY 10%.

AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW, SUSAN WILL ALLOW THIS NOT TO PUT HER ON THE SPOT, BUT I MEAN, WE'D BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, WAIVE OR PUT ON THAT PUD PLAN THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEEK A, A 10% INCREASE.

AND,

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SO WE DON'T HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY COME BACK, GO THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS AND, AND KIND OF WASTE OUR ENGINEERS AND STAFF'S TIME, TIME TO DO THAT.

BUT, BUT I, I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.

UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, WE DID NOT HEAR FROM FREDERICK PARK THEN, OR WERE YOU WORKING WITH FREDERICK PARK? WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AGAIN.

WE REACHED OUT, UH, TO THEM BACK IN MAY, UM, HAD WENT TO THEIR BOARD MEETING, HAD A PRESENTATION, HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE ALWAYS A LITTLE SLOW TO RESPOND.

AND GRANTED, IT'S A SUMMER AND IT'S A VOLUNTEER JOB, SO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT, UH, AS OF AS OF LAST WEEK, THEY'VE REALLY, UH, GONE SILENT.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL HOPING TO HEAR FROM 'EM.

I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN GOOD DISCUSSIONS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD A, A, A NEAR FINAL SET OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND THEN, UM, THEY, THEY THAT KIND OF DISAPPEARED AND, YOU KNOW, AND UNFORTUNATELY THOSE COVENANTS, IT DOES TAKE TWO DE TANGO THERE, BUT, UM, THERE'S STILL TIME FOR THEM TO, TO REAPPEAR.

SO, LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, UM, OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, HAD A, A FRAMEWORK AGREEMENT WITH THEM AND, AND AGREED REALLY TO EVERY REQUEST THEY'VE MADE, BUT, UM, THEY'RE JUST HARD TO TRACK DOWN.

UH, UM, I'M KIND OF ASSUMING THAT COMMISSIONER ROMERO'S CONCERN IS THE PARK.

SO WHAT WAS, WHAT WERE THE PARK'S CONCERNS? UH, IT, IT WAS PROTECTION OF THE PARK AND, AND I'M SURE DR.

ROMERO CAN ELABORATE.

UM, I, I THOUGHT ONE OF THE, THE GOOD THINGS THAT DR.

ROMERO ACTUALLY ADDED, UH, TO THE FRIENDS REQUEST WAS THAT BUFFER ALONG SSA.

UM, BUT COMING FROM THE FRIENDS, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE, UM, A HANDFUL OF ZONING CASES OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, KNOW THE BOARD'S CHANGED, BUT, UH, THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH REALLY EVERY NEW DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE AND HAVE A SET OF COVENANTS THAT THEY'VE REALLY FINE TUNED.

IT'S GOT SOME EXTENSIVE CAT PROVISIONS, NOT FEEDING FERAL CATS, KEEPING CATS ON LEASHES, UH, DOWNWARD LIGHTING, UH, SPEAKER PROHIBITION.

UM, THE, UH, RESTRICTION AGAINST ACCESS ON WHAT IS ON, ON THE, ON THE PUD PLAN, THE LOOKS LIKE IT'S EAST AND WEST, BUT THAT'S THE NORTH AND SOUTH NSA.

UM, UH, A HANDFUL OF OTHER ITEMS. I, I HAVE A COPY I'M HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A DOZEN DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS TO KIND OF KEEP FOLKS IN DEVELOPMENT AWAY FROM THE PARK, HANDLE CATS, UM, USE OF NATIVE SPECIES AND PROHIBITION, LONG LIST OF PROHIBITED INVASIVE PLANTS, UM, REALLY KIND OF RUNNING THE GAMUT THERE.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, JAMES, JUST LET ME, UH, BACK UP JUST FOR A SECOND AND UNDERSTAND, UM, S OBVIOUSLY AREN'T SET YET, AND, AND REALLY WE HAVE NO ENFORCEMENT OF THOSE.

SO I WANNA ASK ABOUT DEEDED RESTRICTIONS.

IS THERE GONNA BE A MANDATORY H O A WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT? YES, THERE WILL BE.

SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THESE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS CAN CARRY OUT THE NON-INVASIVE ONLY NATIVE PLANTS AND NO FEEDING APPAREL CATS AND SOME OF THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS TO SOUND AND THE LIGHTING AND WHAT HAVE YOU? UH, YEAH, I, I MEAN, I, I, I NEED TO CONFIRM WITH MY CLIENT, BUT I, THAT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM AT ALL.

I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY WERE ALREADY AGREEING TO 'EM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, IF WE HAVE TO MOVE DOCUMENTS SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.

I, I THINK THE ENFORCEMENT SHOULD FALL TO THE H O A, WHICH IS WHY I'M ASKING THAT.

UM, AND I, I HAVEN'T ASKED YOU BEFORE, SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TOWN HOMES.

WHAT'S THE FOOTPRINT GONNA BE LIKE AND ARE THEY TWO OR THREE STORY? UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THREE STORY TOWN HOMES.

THE, UH, SIZE AVERAGE, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT 2200 SQUARE FEET.

UM, UH, HIGH, HIGH QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS AND, AND REALLY USING BUILDING MATERIALS THAT COMPLY WITH THE, UH, I 10 GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT IN THERE.

UM, YEAH, THE, YOU KNOW, TWO CAR GARAGE, THE DRIVEWAY, UH, GIVEN, GIVEN A SPACE TO PARK, UM, REALLY, REALLY HIGH-END PRODUCT.

UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR CLIENT'S WILLINGNESS TO COME DOWN ON THE DENSITY AND I, UM, UNDERSTAND MY COLLEAGUE'S CONCERN AND I, I SUPPORT HER ON WANTING STILL TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT, UM, BROUGHT DOWN.

UM, BUT THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THE CRITERIA THAT THE CODE REQUIRES FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR THAT.

UM, OKAY.

ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, I, I DO HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

UM, SUSAN, I, I HEARD SILENCE WHEN JAMES WAS, UH, MAKING THAT REQUEST FOR SOME SORT OF PROMISE HE COULD MAKE, THAT HE WOULD NEVER ASK FOR THE ADDITIONAL 10%, BECAUSE A P IS NOT A CONDITIONAL USE.

WE CAN'T PLACE CONDITIONS ON IT.

AND THE REQUEST FOR THE 10%, THAT'S A MINISTERIAL PERMIT.

SO IF THEY MEET

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ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

THIS HAS LITERALLY BEEN, NOT THIS CASE, BUT I HAVE LITERALLY HAD NIGHTMARES FOR YEARS ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WHEN SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT MULTIFAMILY ACROSS FROM FRIEDRICH PARK.

UM, IT'S BEEN COMING CLOSER AND CLOSER, BUT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM FRIEDRICH PARK, UM, IS GETTING PRETTY SERIOUS WITH, WITH A THREAT TO THE PARK, THE 600 ACRE PLUS NATURAL AREA THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE THERE, YOU MUST GO THERE, NOT WHEN IT'S THIS HOT.

UM, I'VE TALKED TO, UM, SOME BIOLOGISTS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE PARK.

I'VE TALKED TO PARKS STAFF.

UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN THAT WAS, UM, ABATED, I GUESS BY, BY JAMES'S AGREEMENT ON THE 30 FOOT BUFFER.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, IT HELPS PROTECT THE PARK IN A LOT OF WAYS.

AND IT'S NOTHING AGAINST STAFF.

THIS IS NOT IN, IT'S NOT IN YOUR STANDARDS TO, TO THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF A PARTICULAR LAND USE ON NATURAL AREAS.

I HOPE WE CAN CHANGE THE PLAN IN THE FUTURE SO THAT IT IS, ESPECIALLY FOR THESE REALLY BIG NATURAL AREAS.

BUT AS FAR AS STAFF'S CONCERNED, THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER.

SO THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THE, THE PROBLEM, THERE'S SEVERAL PROBLEMS HERE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FRIENDS OF SAN ANTONIO NATURAL AREAS EITHER.

UH, WE, WE'VE BOTH BEEN WORKING WITH THEM.

UM, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE HERE TODAY.

UH, THE BUFFER, THE BUFFER CAN STAY WITH THE PUT, BUT WITHOUT THOSE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE GOING TO COME IN THE COVENANTS AND ENFORCE, UH, THE NATIVE SPECIES ONLY IN THE BUFFER.

AND THAT WAS HONESTLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE BUFFER.

UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE 10%.

UM, SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS.

I, I KNOW THEY STARTED WITH 72, A 72 UNIT PROPOSAL.

FRANKLY, WE ALL DISMISSED THAT OUT OF HAND.

DISTRICT EIGHT WAS NOT AT ALL IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE STARTED BACK, WE STARTED WITH 62, KNOWING THAT THERE COULD BE 37 HOMES IF IT STAYS AS IS AND GETS REPLANTED.

WE HAD ASKED FOR SOMETHING MUCH LOWER THAN 62, AND WE WERE REALLY HOPING FOR 52 SOMETHING AROUND THERE.

UM, THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME NOW IS THAT IF WE DO THE 56, THEY AMEND IT TODAY WITH THE 56, WITH THE 10% INCREASE, BRINGS US RIGHT BACK TO 62.

UH, SO THAT ENDS UP BEING NO COMPROMISE.

I KNOW YOU'RE TELLING US YOU WON'T DO THAT, AND ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU'RE TELLING US THAT, SURE, I'LL BRING IT DOWN TO 51, BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA USE THE 10% TO BUMP IT UP TO 56.

UM, IT'S, THAT WAS THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT IS THAT IT WOULD'VE HELD IT TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.

AGAIN, THE CITY CAN'T ENFORCE THAT, BUT IT STILL WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING EXTRA.

UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT JAMES HAS DONE ON THIS, BUT I'M REALLY LEANING TOWARDS DENIAL TODAY, UNLESS WE CAN GET A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION DOWN ON THIS, ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS ON THIS PUD PLAN.

BUT I'D BE ANXIOUS TO HEAR OTHER'S THOUGHTS ON THIS.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.

UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

UH, I SAID, I GUESS I HAVE ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION.

UM, IT IT, THIS PROPERTY AS IT IS RIGHT NOW IS VACANT, IS ARE THERE, IS THERE NATIVE GROWTH RIGHT THERE AS WELL? IS IT, I I KIND OF AM SENSING THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER ROMERO SEES THAT PROPERTY AS KIND OF AN EXTENSION OF THE PARK, AND, UM, DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'VE KIND OF MET THAT DESIRE THAT IT STAY AN EXTENSION OF THE PARK, BUT THE PUD THAT YOU ALSO ARE LOOKING TO DESIGN IN THERE? UH, UH, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, IT, IT, UM, I MEAN, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, THIS PROPERTY IS GONNA BE DEVELOPED BY SOMEBODY AT, AT SOME, SOME TIME.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT IS ONE OF THE LAST PROPERTIES IN, AGAIN, A VERY POPULAR HIGH GROWTH AREA.

UM, THE P PLAN IN THE LAYOUT THAT WE'VE PROPOSED, UH, REALLY TOOK THAT PARK EXTENSION AND THE PARK PROTECTION TO HEART.

I, I THINK IN REALLY EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD, A, A LARGER BUFFER, YOU KNOW, ALMOST, ALMOST TWICE AS BIG

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AS, AS WHAT WAS REQUESTED, KEEPING IT, UH, NATURAL, UH, PUTTING THE, UH, INTERIOR PARK FOR THE RESIDENTS TO AGAIN, KIND OF HAVE SOME OPEN SPACE ON SITE TO KEEP THEM AWAY FROM, FROM THE PARK.

UH, NOT ONLY PROVIDING THAT, BUT UH, PUTTING IT ON THE PARK SIDE SO THERE'S EVEN MORE OF A BUFFER, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PARK, FROM THE STREET, UH, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, ALL THOSE RESTRICTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, LIKE DR.

ROMERO SAID THAT THE, THE FRIENDS KIND OF, UH, WENT MISSING ON US, BUT I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THEY REAPPEAR IF THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL, UH, WILLING TO PUT THOSE RESTRICTIONS IN, IN, IN THE H O A GOVERNING DOCUMENTS AND THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THOSE NATIVE PLANTS.

UH, AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE AGREED TO, YOU KNOW, WE STILL PLAN TO DO, UH, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, FORCE SOMEBODY TO, TO, TO BE A PARTY WITH US.

UM, SO AGAIN, ANOTHER LONG ANSWER TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION.

UM, THIS PROJECT, THIS SITE PLAN, THE CHANGES, THE RESTRICTIONS, THE, THE PROTECTIONS, THOSE WERE ALL DONE, MADE AND AGREED TO, UM, WITH, WITH THE PARK IN MIND.

UM, THIS, I MEAN, THIS PROJECT COULD BE NOT A PUD PROJECT.

I THINK THE PUD PROTECTS IT ALL, THE MOR, IF IT WAS NOT P THAT I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAVE SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING.

UM, SO I DO SEE THE PUTT AS A BIT OF A, THE PROTECTION FOR IT AS WELL.

UM, BUT I DO APPRECIATE, UM, COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ'S CONCERN AND LOOK LOOKING OUT FOR THE PARK AND ITS EXTENSION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.

YOU KNOW, I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE ISSUES, UM, THAT COMMISSIONER O' HAS BROUGHT UP.

AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S A VERY ODD PREDICAMENT WE'RE IN, AND I CERTAINLY COULD NOT THINK IN GOOD FAITH SUPPORT A POSITION WHERE WE WERE SAYING 51 TO SIMPLY ALLOW YOU TO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF SHADOW BOXING ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS TO GET TO 56.

UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU'VE APPEARED HERE, JAMES, BUT I, I THINK YOU DO HAVE A REPUTATION.

I THINK YOU WOULD NOT WAGER THAT LIGHTLY.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UNITS, YOU SAY 56 TURNS OUT LATER ON THAT SOMEONE GOES BACK AND SAYS 62 BY THROUGH THIS ADMINISTRATION PROCESS, I, I THINK YOU WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT REPERCUSSIONS REPUTATIONAL FOR YOU IN THAT, UM, LAWYER.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES OUR CLIENTS DO DO THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO DO, BUT I, I FIND GENERALLY IF THEY'RE GONNA, THEY WOULDN'T DO THIS TO YOU HOPEFULLY.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE UNITS THAT, THAT KIND OF ALLAYS MY CONCERN WITH RESPECT TO THAT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE REMAINDER, BOY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ABILITY TO ENFORCE A LOT OF THIS STUFF.

SO, YOU KNOW, ABSENT SOME OTHER CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING YOU ON FAITH ANYWAY, UH, WHETHER IT'S WAY OR, OR SOME OTHER, UH, DEED RESTRICTED PROCESS.

SO I'M, I'LL WAIT TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THE MOTION IS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE SO FAR YOU'VE DONE WHAT YOU OUGHT TO HAVE DONE AND, AND TAKING YOU IN GOOD FAITH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S LAUDATORY AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THAT.

THERE'S TWO THINGS GOING ON, AND I'M TRYING TO GET UP TO SPEED ON ALL THE BIOLOGICAL ISSUES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER ROMERO? UM, JUST A, A COUPLE OF POINTS.

UM, I DON'T SEE, AND, AND I DIDN'T MAKE THIS CLEAR, I DON'T SEE THE BUFFER AS AN EXTENSION OF THE PARK.

THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS.

IT'S, IT'S NOT THE PARK.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME NATIVE, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME INVASIVES, JUST LIKE THERE'S INVASIVES IN THE PARK.

UM, THE, THE BENEFIT OF HAVING SOME KIND OF PRIVATE RESTRICTION ON IT IS THAT NO ONE CAN PLANT ADDITIONAL INVASIVE SPECIES IN THAT BUFFER.

THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT OF IT, IS THAT THAT BECOMES LIKE THE FILTER, I GUESS THERE'S ANOTHER BETTER WORD FOR THIS.

UM, IT BECOMES SORT OF THE FILTER, UM, FOR THE PARK.

SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PRESERVE IT JUST AS THE PARK IS PRESERVED BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

IT BECOMES ALMOST LIKE THE LUNGS OF THE PARK OR SOMETHING.

UM, THE OTHER ISSUE IS THERE,

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THERE'S THE DISRUPTION OF 37 HOMES VERSUS 56 UNITS, AND THEN THERE'S THE BUFFER ITSELF.

AND I KNOW THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PUD WE LOSE THE BUFFER, AND THAT'S COSTLY TO THE PARK.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PUT AND THERE'S 37 HOMES, AND THEY MIGHT BACK UP RIGHT TO THE STREET, THAT'S OVERALL LESS DISRUPTION, UM, TO THE AREA.

UM, DISTRICT EIGHT IS, IS VERY CLEAR ON THIS THAT THEY WANT LOWER DENSITY ON THIS PROPERTY.

AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH JAMES AND CAN'T GET AROUND THE FACT, UH, THAT DISTRICT EIGHT WANTS TO SEE LOWER DENSITY HERE.

AND I KNOW IT'S MAKING MY HEAD SPIN ABOUT THE 10%, AND I, I, I ALSO BELIEVE JAMES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

SOMEBODY ELSE COULD END UP DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY.

IT IT MAY BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM HIM.

UM, AND I DO HOPE THAT EVEN IF WE DENY THIS, THAT SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN BETWEEN HERE AND COUNCIL.

AND I REALLY HATE DOING THAT AND JUST SAYING, I'M JUST GONNA KICK IT OVER TO THE COUNCILMAN TO HANDLE IT.

BUT, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

I FEEL LIKE WE STILL WOULD HAVE A GOOD BASIS HERE FOR MOVING FORWARD IF THE FRIENDS OF SAN ANTONIO NATURAL AREAS, IF THEY CAN HEAR ME, IF YOU GUYS COULD, UH, COME OUT TO COUNCIL.

UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, REALLY HELPFUL.

SO, UH, FOR ZONING CASE Z 2019, I'M SORRY FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, I HAVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION.

ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER NICKS, I, I LIKE THE PUD PLAN, THE WAY IT WORKS OUT AND TRANSFER, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AND SUCH.

BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I'M GOING TO BACK THE, UH, COMMISSIONER, SHE KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE AREA AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE LAND USES THE DENSITY.

UM, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA BACK THE, THE COMMISSIONER ON THIS ONE.

ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER BUS MATE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UM, AND, AND RESPECTFULLY, I, I THINK I'M GOING TO OPPOSE THE MOTION.

UH, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE ISSUES RAISED AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BUFFER GETS TO A LOT OF STUFF THAT OUR CONCERNS AND ARE, ARE UNDERSTANDABLY CONCERNS OF DISTRICT EIGHT AND THE COUNCILMEN, THE COMMISSIONER, THE RESIDENTS.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WITH THE PUD, WE GET A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT, THAT IS CONTROLLABLE BY ZONING ADDRESSES, SORT OF THESE SECONDARY NON ZONING CONCERNS THAT ARE THERE.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLAN AND ALL RESPECT AND, AND DONE WITH SOME HESITATION.

I'M, I'M GOING TO OPPOSE THE MOTION.

UM, DISCUSSION.

ANY COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UM, JAMES AS ECHOED EARLIER, YOU HAVE A, A GOOD REPUTATION AND WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY HOPE THAT YOUR CLIENT WOULDN'T UPSET THAT.

UM, BUT IT'S ALWAYS THAT UNKNOWN THAT NERVES US UP HERE.

AND I THINK YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT POSITION HAD YOU COME TODAY AND SANA NOT KIND OF DISAPPEARED AND HAD THOSE COVENANTS IN PLAY.

AND, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY THE WORD, BUT I'M GONNA SAY IT BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE ME A LOT EASIER.

UM, THIS POINT, I, I STILL THINK MAYBE YOU CAN WORK ON CUTTING OUT THAT DENSITY JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT I REALLY WANNA SEE SOME OTHER KIND OF PROTECTIONS EITHER IN THOSE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS OR SOMEHOW WITH ANOTHER GROUP IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES.

COMMISSIONER COMMENT? YES, DR.

AND, AND WE'RE STILL COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.

AND IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ALL MY CARDS ON THE TABLE, IF IT'S, UH, DECISION BETWEEN DENIAL AND, AND 52 UNITS, THEN, THEN WE'LL TAKE THE 52 UNITS AND TRY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT LIFE FROM HERE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, COMMISSIONER SIPES ? YES.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ALWAYS SAID ON, ON, UH, ZONING CASES IS IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU PERSONALLY.

IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WHAT COULD HAPPEN? UM, YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED, UM, THAT, UM, I WILL BE, UH, SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

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I NEED TO YES.

ROMERO, ARE YOU SAYING, JAMES, THAT YOU ARE NOW WILLING TO CHANGE YOUR SITE PLAN YOUR PUD PLAN TO 52 UNITS? UM, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS.

PROBABLY NEED A YES OR NO.

UH, CHAIR, UH, COMMISSIONER ROME, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO REDUCE THE PUD PLAN TO 52.

WELL, CAN WE DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO A DENIAL, OR DO I NEED TO, IT'S STILL A DENIAL BECAUSE HE'S NOT AGREEING TO, OH, I'M SORRY TO AMEND IT DOWN TO 52, UNLESS HE'S AGREEING TO AMEND IT DOWN TO 52.

I I AM RELUCTANTLY.

ALL RIGHT, SO THEN IF HE'S AMENDING IT TO THE, TO 52, THEN YOU'RE, THAT IS THE CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST.

SO THE MOTION WOULD THEN BE APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED REQUEST.

BUT WHAT DO I DO WITH MY MOTION ON THE FLOOR OF A DENIAL? I THINK, LET ME RESTATE MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT MORE CLEARLY.

UH, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO AMEND THE MOTION TO A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AT 52 UNITS.

I WOULD SAY TO BE CLEAN, YOU CAN JUST RETRACT YOUR, YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION.

WITHDRAW.

WITHDRAW IT.

I WITHDRAW MY ORIGINAL MOTION.

NEED A SECOND? OR JUST, SHE CAN JUST WITHDRAW IT.

YEAH, I HAVE A SECOND.

JUST IN CASE.

SECOND.

LET ME MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.

I REALIZE THAT WE'RE ALL DEALING WITH THIS WEIRD 10% THING, AND JAMES SAID THAT IF IT WERE 56, HE WOULD NOT ASK FOR THE ADDITIONAL 10%, AND IF IT WERE 52, HE WOULD ASK FOR THE ADDITIONAL 10%.

AND IT ALL ENDS UP THE SAME.

BUT TO BE FRANK, BECAUSE OF THE RULES, WHAT YOU SAY ISN'T BINDING EITHER WAY.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, AGREEING TO THE AMENDED SITE PLAN WITH 52, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED FOR.

I, I CAN'T ASK FOR MORE THAN THAT.

I WILL PUSH IN THE MEANTIME TO GET SANA BACK ON BOARD AND SEE WHERE WE ARE.

BUT THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN PUSHING YOU FOR AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GIVING ME, I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, SO FOR NOW, ITEM NUMBER TWO, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED REQUEST FOR A PUD PLAN THAT SHOWS 52 UNITS.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED REQUEST WITH A SECOND.

UM, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

UM, WE'RE READY FOR A ROLL CALL.

VOTE PLEASE.

MICHAEL PEPPY PLANER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.

[3. 19-6066 (Continued from 08/06/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700140 (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "O-2 AHOD" High Rise Office Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 AHOD" Commercial Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lots 29-31, the south 116 feet of Lot 14, Lot 15, and Lot 16, Block 9, NCB 2947, located at 3201 South Gevers Street. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA2019-11600049) (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]

COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS ITEM THREE.

MICHAEL? YES.

IF I MAY INTERRUPT FOR ONE MINUTE.

UH, WE UNDERSTAND FROM SOME PERSONS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE COME IN LATE AND DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO SIGN IN.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, CAN YOU PLEASE COME TO THE DESK AS MICHAEL PRESENTS THIS CASE? THIS IS FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE OR ANY, OR ANY ITEM IF YOU'RE HERE FOR ANY ITEM.

AND YOU CAME IN LATE.

SORRY, MICHAEL.

ALRIGHT, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, LOCATED AT 3 2 0 1 SOUTH AVERS.

IT'S A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM OH TWO TO C TWO 50.

NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.

ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.

THE HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS NOTIFIED, BUT HAS NOT RESPONDED.

STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATIONSHIP.

THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST, THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.

MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE?

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GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, CYNTHIA PUENTE.

IT'S 32 0 1 SOUTH GS.

UM, MY REQUEST WOULD BE TO USE THAT PROPERTY.

IT'S CURRENTLY OH TWO.

I WOULD LIKE TO REZONE IT TO C TWO SO THAT I CAN USE IT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER.

UH, IT, IT IS 8,500 SQUARE FEET.

I MEAN 8,150 SQUARE FEET.

I WOULD LIKE TO USE IT EVENTUALLY, THE WHOLE THING FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER.

BUT TO BEGIN WITH, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SPLIT IT UP INTO THE CHILDCARE CENTER AND POSSIBLY A PET GROOMING SCHOOL OR AN ANTIQUE MALL.

UH, STAY NEARBY.

WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP, UH, FOR REBUTTAL.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? THE FIRST PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IS CLINTON BLOOMBERG.

I AM CLINTON BLOOMBERG.

I LIVE AT 9 0 1 VANDERBILT, THAT'S ONLY A FEW HUNDRED YARDS AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY, BUT AS IT, IT'S ABOUT FOUR BLOCKS, BUT THOSE BLOCKS ARE SHORT DISTANCE BLOCKS.

UH, WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS, I WAS IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT THEN I BEGAN TO FIND OUT THAT THERE'S UNKNOWN, UH, APP USAGE OF THE REMAINING PART OF THE BUILDING, AND TO CHANGE A ZONING THAT HAS AN UNKNOWN USAGE SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE FOR AN AREA THAT'S PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.

FOR THAT REASON, I'M AGAINST THIS.

HOWEVER, UH, USED AS A CHILD DAYCARE CENTER IN MY OPINION, WOULD BE IDEAL.

IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S UNKNOWN PARTS OF THE BUILDING THAT'S GONNA BE HAP SOME SORT OF UNKNOWN USAGE WITH SOME SORT OF IDEAS.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN CONCRETE.

AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M AGAINST THIS.

UH, I FREQUENTLY GO THROUGH THIS AREA, THE STREETS, AND I EVEN WALK THE AREA, UH, IN THE HISTORY.

I'VE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE.

I'M JUST ABOUT 70 YEARS OF AGE.

UH, I HAVE WALKED TO THIS AREA.

THERE WAS ONCE A DRUG STORE THERE.

UH, IN A FAMILY BUSINESS, THERE'S A, UH, AT VARIOUS TIMES IN THE PAST, THERE'S BEEN A DENTAL OFFICE, DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND SUCH.

THE USAGE RIGHT NOW IS VERY LOW.

UH, I, I'M OF THE OPINION A CHILD DAYCARE CENTER.

IF THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT IT IS, THIS WOULD BE IDEAL.

BUT THERE'S UNKNOWNS ABOUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING AND FOR THAT REASON, I'M AGAINST REZONING.

THAT'S NOT HAPPENED AT ALL, AND WE'RE DISAPPOINTED WE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ANYONE WHO WANTS TO HAVE A, A NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY BUSINESS OR, OR BUSINESSES.

THANK YOU TOM WETZLER.

EXCUSE ME.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME.

UH, MY NAME IS TOM WETZLER.

I LIVE AT 1311 SLY AVENUE.

UH, I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER OF THE HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, CAME TO OUR, OUR MONTHLY MEETING LAST WEDNESDAY TO ASK FOR APPROVAL OF HER DESIGN.

AND SHE STARTED OFF BY SAYING, WELL, I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE ZONE CHANGES.

AND WELL, WE NEED TO DO THIS RIGHT AWAY AND APPROVE.

AND, UH, WE WERE SYMPATHETIC AND WE LIKED THE IDEA OF SMALL BUSINESSES AND WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN AND F AND FRIENDLY TO THAT.

AND WE NOTICED THAT THE ZONE CHANGES, SHE WAS M SHE WAS ASKING FOR WERE FAIRLY DRASTIC FROM, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, IDEA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOING OVER TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

NOW, THIS, THIS AREA IS, IS, UH, ALWAYS IS A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM A, FROM A EXISTING COMMERCIAL STRIP.

SO THERE'S NOT A REAL NEED FOR A COMMERCIAL ZONE THERE AT ALL.

UH, BUT AS, AS MEMBERS QUESTIONED HER, SHE, THE APPLICANT GAVE VAGUE ANSWERS OR SAID SHE DIDN'T KNOW.

AND, UH, WE ASKED THAT SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE BETTER PREPARED.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR CONCERNS WAS, IS THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY PLAN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WE ASKED HER, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COME BACK WITH THE INFORMATION WE'RE ASKING AND WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? BECAUSE ALL OF YOU KNOW, WHAT SHE PRESENTED WAS FAIRLY VAGUE AND SHE AGREED THAT SHE WOULD, UH, ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE HERE TODAY AND COME BACK TO US NEXT MONTH WHERE WE HAVE OUR GENERAL MEETING SO EVERYONE COULD PARTICIPATE AND WE WOULD FULFILL THE FUNCTION OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND PARTICIPATING IN THESE KIND OF DECISIONS.

UH, WE CAME TO FIND OUT TODAY THAT, UH,

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BUT AS WAS JUST MENTIONED BY MY NEIGHBOR, UH, THIS OPENS UP THE AREA TO DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT, WE DON'T WANNA SEE HAPPEN IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE, WE'RE AN OLD, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE CYCLES THAT HAPPEN IN URBAN AREAS, AND WE'RE PROUD OF OUR RESURGENCE.

AND, AND WE'RE ALSO, UH, WE'RE ALSO JEALOUS OF IT AS WELL.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT, UH, YOU NOT TO APPROVE IT AT THIS TIME, AND WE'RE OPEN TO WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT WHEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS SHE REALLY WANTS TO DO.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.

UH, MS. PUENTE, UH, YOU HAVE A FEW MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.

UM, IN RESPONSE TO WHAT, UM, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED FOR ME AT THE MEETING WAS WHY WAS THERE A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CHANGE? AND THE TRUTH WAS, AT THAT MOMENT, I DID NOT KNOW.

I DID CALL THE PLANNER THE NEXT DAY AND HE STATED THAT IF IT WAS 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR, OR SMALLER, IT COULD BE AN I ONE, WHICH WOULD ACCOMMODATE ALL THE USES THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE BUILDING IS OVER EIGHT.

WERE Y'ALL ABLE TO HEAR ME? THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE BUILDING IS 8,150 SQUARE FEET, WHICH MAKES IT NECESSARY THAT IT BE C TWO RATHER THAN A C ONE.

I'M NOT AGAINST, UH, WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

I DO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'M LESS THAN FIVE BLOCKS AWAY FROM THAT PROPERTY.

UM, I WANNA DO WHAT WOULD MAKE THEM HAPPY, BUT STILL ALLOWS ME TO USE THE CHILDCARE CENTER.

I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPECIFICS ARE.

I'M NOT A PLANNER.

AND I DID ASK THEM TO GIVE ME A SPECIFIC LIST OF THEIR CONCERNS.

I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT SPECIFIC LIST OF CONCERNS.

I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS.

I WOULD BE CONCERNED TOO, THEIR, THEIR CONCERN IS THAT IF IT'S CHANGED TO A C TWO AND FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, I DECIDE TO SELL THE PROPERTY, THEY ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE USE OF THAT.

UH, I'M IN IT FOR THE LONG HAUL.

UH, I'VE BEEN IN THE DAYCARE BUSINESS ALREADY FOR 15 CHILD, CHILD DAYCARE BUSINESS FOR 15 YEARS.

THE PLAN IN, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CHILDCARE, EVEN WHEN YOU FIRST OPEN, IT'S GONNA TAKE FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE'RE PROFITABLE.

ONCE WE'RE PROFITABLE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE UP ON THAT AND FOLD.

AND THAT'S THE PER REASON FOR PURCHASING THE BUILDING PER VERSUS RENTING A BUILDING FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

UM, WE ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER CHILDCARE CENTER THAT'S HALF A BLOCK AWAY.

WE PURCHASED THAT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

WITHIN SEVEN MONTHS IT WAS FILLED UP.

THERE'S A WAITING LIST.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED FOR CHILDCARE IN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, WE DO OWN, UH, 18 FANS.

OUR, OUR SPECIALTY IS THAT WE PICK UP CHILDREN FROM THE AREA ELEMENTARIES, CHARTER SCHOOLS AND PREVENT THEM FROM BEING LATCHKEY CHILDREN.

UH, IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

WE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS, SO HOLD ON.

SO I, I, MY FIRST QUESTION TO STAFF IS, WAS THERE A COMMUNITY PLAN CHANGE OR WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY PLAN STATE FOR THIS AREA? OH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN IS THE HIGHLANDS PLAN AND IT IS CURRENTLY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.

UH, THEY WENT TO PLAN COMMISSION ON JULY 24TH AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO GO TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL TO FIT WITH THE C TWO.

SO, OKAY.

UM, SO THE I DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL VERSUS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, UH, ALLOWS FOR THIS NOW TO BECOME C TWO.

IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? THE LAST MEETING? MM-HMM.

THAT'S CORRECT.

PROPERTIES WEREN'T REZONED, THAT'S USUALLY THE NEXT STEP.

SO THE REASON FOR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR C TWO, WAS IT BECAUSE OF USE OR SQUARE FOOTAGE? SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

RIGHT NOW, THE PROPERTY ZONE TO O TWO, WHICH IS A HIGH RISE OFFICE, IT'S VERY INTENSE USE.

C TWO IS ACTUALLY A DOWN ZONING FROM O TWO.

UM, AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, WHICH GETS 'EM CLOSER TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LAND USE CLASSIFICATION IS.

SO WHEN THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, GIVEN THE LAND USE

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SO PROPERTIES WEREN'T REZONED TO MATCH THE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION, SO THEY WERE NEVER ALIGNED.

UH, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY O TWO DOWN TO C TWO DOWN ZONING.

HOWEVER, THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ONLY ALLOWS LAND USE DESIGNATION ONLY ALLOWS UP TO A C ONE.

BUT THE C ONE ZONING DESIGNATION WOULD CREATE A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE FOR THEM, WHICH MEANT THAT THEY COULDN'T RENOVATE IT OR EXPAND IT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A NON-CONFORMING THEY WOULD NEED TO REZONE.

SO C TWO WAS THE LOWEST COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT THEY COULD REQUEST IN ORDER FOR THE STRUCTURE, UH, TO ALLOW TO REMAIN AND BE RENOVATED OR IMPROVED.

SO QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE USE.

SO WOULD THIS BE OPEN? SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S NO WAY FOR C ONE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE OF, UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID AGAIN, YES, BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING SIZE, THE BUILDING SIZE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD IMMEDIATELY MAKE IT A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.

AND WHAT IF, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, UM, IN OTHER CASES LIKE TATTOO PARLORS AND WHATNOT, WHAT IF THERE WAS A CERTAIN AREA OF THE BUILDING DESIGNATED A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOT SQUARE FOOTAGE, COULD IT BE SPLIT ON THE TYPE OF A ZONING IN THAT CASE? LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE, MAYBE 5,000 FOR CHILDCARE AND THEN MAYBE THE REMAINDER FOR C ONE? OR IS THAT AT ALL A POSSIBILITY? IT'S STILL CONSIDERED ONE BUILDING.

IT'D BE, THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE BECAUSE IT'S STILL ONE BUILDING.

SO IN ORDER TO PROTECT THOUGH, IF THEY CONTINUE TO MEET, UM, THE APPLICANT AND, UM, THE COMMUNITY AND THEY CONTINUE TO MEET IN THE COMMUNITY, VOICES IS CONCERNED OVER CERTAIN TYPES OF BUSINESSES, MAYBE A TIRE SHOP OR SOMETHING.

SO IS THERE NO OTHER PROTECTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, DEEDED RESTRICTIONS AND WHATNOT? OR, OR, OR WHAT, WHAT ELSE, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS WOULD THEY HAVE? DEEDED RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE THE CLEANEST, UH, PART IN ORDER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ENFORCE ON THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY BECAUSE ONCE IT'S ZONED C TWO ALL USES WOULD BE ALLOWED, THAT ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT C TWOS ARE RETAIL TYPE USE.

AND THERE'S ONLY A, MAYBE A HANDFUL OF USES ALLOWED IN C TWO THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN C ONE.

THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS VERY MINIMAL.

BUT IF THERE'S CERTAIN USES IN THAT HANDFUL THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, A DEEDED RESTRICTION COULD RESTRICT THEM IN THE FUTURE.

UM, UM, MS. PUENTE? YES.

UM, SO AS FAR AS SIGNAGE IS UH, CONCERNED, UM, WHAT WERE YOUR PLANS, UM, AS FAR AS YOUR, UH, SIGNAGE? WERE THERE GONNA BE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE CURRENT SIGNAGE OR HAD YOU EVEN CONSIDERED THAT YET? I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE NEEDS TO BE MODIFICATIONS.

IT'S ALREADY HAS A SIGN UP THERE.

AND, UM, SO NOW I, I KNOW YOU ARE, I THINK, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A CONCERN OVER, UM, YOU'RE CURRENTLY, UM, MAKING PAYMENTS ON THIS PROPERTY.

AND THE LONGER THAT WE EXTEND THIS CASE, UM, THE MORE YOU'RE PUTTING OUT AND NOT RECEIVING, UM, INCOME, BUT UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO, UM, IT MAY AT LEAST A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE? I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ASKING FOR 30 DAYS, BUT MAYBE, I KNOW IT'S HARD.

WE'RE ALL WORKING PEOPLE AND TRYING TO MAKE TIME.

BUT, UH, MAYBE TO CONTINUE TO WORK, UM, OUT SOME DETAILS AS FAR AS, UM, THIS PROPERTY IS CONCERNED.

WE DID CONTINUE IT LAST WEEK FOR TWO MORE WEEKS.

, SO THIS WOULD BE A SECOND CONTINUANCE.

I AM AGREEABLE TO ANOTHER TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO US SIGNING SOMETHING ON A DEED RESTRICTION TO KEEP IT FROM BEING THE, WHATEVER CONCERNS THEY HAVE.

IF THEY AGREED TO THAT RIGHT NOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO SAY, I'LL NOTARIZE IT AND SAY, WE'LL, WE'LL CHANGE, MAKE THOSE DEEDED RESTRICT RESTRICTIONS IMMEDIATELY.

I PLAN TO LIVE A LONG TIME AND AS LONG AS I'M ALIVE, IT'S GONNA BE A CHILDCARE.

AND MY, UH, NEXT QUESTION IS, UM, I I BELIEVE YOU ALSO SAID YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO A NA AMENDMENT AS WELL TO THE DESIGNATION? YES, I WILL.

UM, THAT'S GONNA BE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR THE MOMENT.

I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE.

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THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

UM, ONE QUICK QUESTION AND, AND MS. POINTED, THIS IS TO YOU, YOU FIRST, I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT ONE OF, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL USES THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR WAS LIKE AN ANTIQUE MALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WOULD THAT FALL NOW, NOW I'M GONNA TURN TO STAFF.

WOULD THAT FALL WITHIN C TWO? 'CAUSE I WOULD KIND OF CONSIDER THAT INDOOR FLEA MARKET MORE UNDER C THREE.

NO ANTIQUE ANTIQUES, UM, ARE C TWO, SO IS DAYCARE.

AND SO, UH, IS THE GROOMING SERVICE SHE NOTED.

THEY'RE ALL C TWO USES.

COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

UM, ARE THOSE ALSO USES UNDER C ONE SO FAR, YES, BUT I'M VERIFYING ALL THREE OF THEM.

ONE MOMENT.

? YES.

I THINK THEY'RE, THEY, THEY ARE C ONE.

EACH OF THOSE, IF YOU QUALIFY THE, IF YOU QUALIFY THE ANTIQUE STORE AS ANTIQUE STORE AND NOT FLEA MARKET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE, THE ANTIQUE STORE IS C ONE? POTENTIALLY? YES.

COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO THE APPLICANT.

SO IS, IS THE DAYCARE YOUR, THAT'S DOWN THE STREET IS CURRENTLY STILL RUNNING? YES, IT IS.

AND WE DO OWN THAT BUILDING AS WELL.

AND SO YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THAT ONE OPEN AND THIS IS A SECONDARY ONE OR YOU'RE MOVING THAT IT'S A, THIS WOULD BE A SECONDARY ONE.

DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT YOU'LL FILL THE WHOLE BUILDING FOR THE DAYCARE PURPOSE? EVENTUALLY IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THREE TO FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE, WE FILL THE WHOLE BUILDING.

HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE ENROLLED AT THE CURRENT DAYCARE? 66 IS OUR CAPACITY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ENROLLED.

AND SO THEN AT THE NEW ONE, YOU COULD EXPAND IT TO DO, HAVE YOU FACTOR HOW MANY THAT WOULD BE? BE HONEST, I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH AND MEASURED.

EACH AREA IS, DEPENDING ON THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT, HOW MANY CHILDREN THEY WOULD ALLOW IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE REMODELED BECAUSE IT USED TO BE A DENTIST, DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL, UH, SPACES.

OH, I SEE.

SO THE BUILDING ITSELF IS A, WAS A CHURCH AND A DENTAL OFFICE, BUT IT WAS, UH, RECENTLY IT WAS USED AS A CHURCH.

SO I DON'T BELIEVE THEY USED THE WHOLE BUILDING.

BUT PRIOR TO THAT, IT USED TO BE PART OF IT WAS A DENTIST'S OFFICE.

THIS WAS MAYBE 25 YEARS AGO, A DENTIST'S OFFICE, A DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

AND I THINK, I BELIEVE THEY EVEN MENTIONED IT USED TO BE A PHARMACY.

DO DO YOU KNOW WHY THE CHURCH SOLD? NO, I, I DON'T KNOW.

AND THE CHURCH DIDN'T SELL IT TO ME.

I BELIEVE THEY SOLD IT TO AN INVESTOR AND EVIDENTLY, UM, HE WAS SMARTER THAN I WAS BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE IT NEEDED TO BE REZONED TO DO A CHILDCARE .

UM, HE BOUGHT IT PROBABLY TO MAKE A PROFIT AND I'M SURE HE PAID THE, PROBABLY PAID THE CHURCH HALF OF WHAT I PAID FOR THE BUILDING.

SO YOU'LL MOVE IN AS A CHILDCARE.

THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA GROW.

AND YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WITHIN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS? FIVE YEARS? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IN ORDER TO OFFSET MAYBE THE COST OF THE MORTGAGE THAT YOU WANT TO FILL IN SOME OF THOSE OFFICES WITH ALTERNATIVE SOURCES? CORRECT.

UNTIL WE'RE FILLED UP.

COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

WOULD REQUIRE, UM, RE NOTICING AS WELL AS A FEE TO THE APPLICANT OF, UH, $400.

UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR A CONTINUANCE, UH, FOR TWO WEEKS SECOND.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

UM, ANY DISCUSSIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA, THIS QUESTION KIND OF A QUESTION, KIND OF A COMMENTARY, BUT HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ZONING AND I DON'T KNOW, WITH THE CHANGES TO THE I D Z, BUT TRYING TO KIND OF CRAFT, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA RELY ON THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS, WE DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS HERE NECESSARILY, BUT IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT ON THIS END FROM THE ZONING? AND I JUST WANTED TO KINDA PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR, THAT

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SO IT WOULD REQUIRE, BUT WAS IT A POSSIBILITY? , I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WAS IT, UH, COULD THERE HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MINIMUM OF I D Z TWO, AT LEAST THERE'S THE SITE PLAN, BUT IT'S, IT'S AN ADDED FEE TO THE APPLICANT.

LIGHTNING THE SETBACKS, LIGHTNING, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SO, SORRY.

UM, JUST TALK, THINKING ABOUT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND HOW THAT'S GONNA BE, HOW THAT'S GONNA COME ABOUT.

I MEAN, THERE'S LIKELY GONNA BE A COST OF SOME KIND TO HAVE SOMEONE PREPARE THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS OR JUST GONNA COST SOMEONE'S TIME AND EFFORT IN TRYING TO GET THAT DONE.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT CAN WE DO SOMETHING ON OUR END TO, TO, OR COULD IT, COULD IT BE CHANGED TO ASSIST HER IN THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO HIRE AN ATTORNEY OR HIRE SOMEONE OR HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE, SOMEONE ELSE INVOLVED IN THIS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW SOMEONE'S GONNA DO THAT IN TWO WEEKS.

SO WAS THERE A, A DIFFERENT, I THINK, I GUESS WE WERE ASKING QUESTIONS, , WAS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY TO ACHIEVE, UM, WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO DO WITH, UH, ZONING? WELL, I MEAN, THE, THE WAY IT'S, THE WAY THE BUILDING IS BUILT, THE, THE USE IS PERMITTED IN C TWO.

IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR A TRADITIONAL C TWO.

THAT'S HOW STAFF LOOKED AT IT.

UM, WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND I V Z 'CAUSE IT REALLY WASN'T ABOUT INFILLING, UM, A LOT MM-HMM.

SO, OR ALLOWING A BUILDING TO ENCROACH INTO A SETBACK.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T LOOK AT IDZ TWO.

WE FELT THAT THE USES WERE APPROPRIATE, THE C TWO REQUEST WAS APPROPRIATE AS REQUESTED.

THAT'S COMMISSIONER .

COMMISSIONER GREY HOUSE.

COMMISSIONER NICKS, JUST FOR CONVERSATION.

? YES.

I, I WOULD SUPPORT A C TWO NA, BUT SAME TOKEN, IF WE CAN MEET WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD IN A REASONABLE TIME, THE CONTINUANCE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

UH, COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YEAH.

UH, I TOO WILL, UH, SUPPORT C TWO NA UH, RUNS, UH, THERE ARE TWO RESTAURANTS WITHIN A WALKING DISTANCE ON, UH, SOUTH G, SOUTH GS, WHICH ARE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS.

AND THEN, UH, THERE'S A MECHANIC SHOP, UH, LOOKS LIKE IT RIGHT BEHIND THE PARKING LOT OF THIS PROPERTY.

SO, UM, C TWO A, UH, EVEN IF IT IS PRESENTED TODAY, I, I'M IN SUPPORT OF, UH, APPROVING IT.

THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.

WELL, I HAVE GOTTEN A TOUR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM MR. BLUM BLUMBERG BACK THERE.

AND THE HISTORY IS, IS JUST A BEAUTIFUL THING.

SO I THINK THE TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE IS GONNA BE SO HELPFUL.

YOU'RE GONNA GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS THE NEED OUT THERE, UM, WHAT'S GONNA BE BEST FIT FOR YOU SO YOU CAN MEET, UM, YOUR, UM, MORTGAGE AND RENT AND WHATEVER.

SO I WISH YOU WELL AND I'LL SUPPORT THE CONTINUANCE, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR YOU.

I THINK YOU'LL GET A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE OUT OF IT.

UM, ALRIGHT.

UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE'RE READY FOR ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.

I WANT TO THANK, UM, BOTH MS. PUENTE AND, UM, THE MEMBERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS SO WE CAN FIND A GOOD, UH, RESOLUTION SUCCESS TO YOU.

ALL

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GOOD AFTERNOON, MARCO RAVI, PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

ITEM NUMBER NINE IS, UH, LOCATED IN 1207 WEST MARTIN, GOING FROM C TWO TO C TWO CD WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLES.

53 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT.

ZERO.

RETURN IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM OUR PROSPECT HILL AND WEST END IN HOPE IN WEST END HOPE IN ACTION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT WAS NOT FOUND PASSED ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUESTS.

THE PROPOSED BASED ZONING DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS

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OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.

UM, MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? MY NAME'S AMALIA HUNTER.

UM, I'M THE OWNER OF 27 0 1 WEST MARTIN.

UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY A C TWO PROPERTY.

IT'S A VACANT LOT.

THERE'S NOTHING EXCEPT WEEDS AND, YOU KNOW, US CUTTING IT DOWN.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I WANT CONVERT INTO SOME, A FACELIFT, TRYING TO GET IT TO VEHICLES, TRYING TO HAVE MORE OF AN UPLIFT OF THAT AREA.

I MEAN, I HAVE A, A POWERPOINT.

LET'S JUST GO TO THE, UM, PICTURES.

IF YOU, IF YOU GO DOWN MARTIN STREET, THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE.

YOU SEE LOTS THAT ARE EITHER BEING SOLD OR VACANT LOTS OR JUST ABANDONED BUILDINGS GOING DOWN MY STREET, MARTIN STREET.

AND THIS IS WHERE I'M TRYING TO SET UP.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER, THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO SET UP THE CAR LOT.

THERE'S A CHURCH, THERE'S A RESTAURANT, THERE'S A, ONCE AGAIN A PARKING, IT'S NICE GRAVELED, I MEAN A PAVED.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR MY AREA.

MY, MY, UH, BYLAW BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA, YOU'RE OVERJOYED TO LOOK AT.

AND I KNOW THAT, UM, I DID TALK TO THE, THE W W E H A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

THEY WERE, UM, THEY WERE TELLING ME ABOUT THERE'S TOO MANY CAR LOTS THAT'S ACTUALLY INACCURATE.

THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE TIRE SHOPS AND I CAN ACTUALLY PUT A TIRE SHOP IN MY LAWN SHOP IN MY LOT.

BUT I WANT IT TO BE MORE UPLIFTING, MORE, UM, I'M A SCHOOL TEACHER SO I KNOW THAT IF I CAN GET SOME INTERNS, SOME STUDENT INTERNS TO WORK TO, TO WORK A, A BUSINESS, I MEAN THAT'S SMALL BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND WE GET TO HAVE MORE DIVI, UH, DIVERSITY THERE.

I'M WILLING FOR, FOR, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UH, THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO MA'AM.

COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS.

UM, IS THERE ANY TYPE OF PROPOSED LARGE AREA REZONING FOR THIS AREA? IT'S IN THE WEST SIDE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS TO ESTABLISH ITSELF AS A PLAN.

UH, ONCE THAT PLAN IS ADOPTED, UH, THEN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL ASSESS THE AREA TO DETERMINE WHICH AREAS WOULD BE REZONED.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, REPORT ON THIS, THE USE OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY ADJACENT? I KNOW SOME OF THE PHOTOS THAT SHE'S SHOWING HERE SHOW, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER BUILDINGS, BUT DO WE HAVE, ARE THOSE BEING USED AS RESIDENCES OR THOSE ALSO BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL USES? UH, THE ONE TO THE EAST IS A RESTAURANT.

THE SOUTH IS A VAC OR A PARKING LOT.

AND OBVIOUSLY THE NORTH, I BELIEVE IS RESIDENTIAL.

WHAT ABOUT THE WEST? THE WEST IS A SMALLER, UM, NOT THE ONE IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST, BUT I BELIEVE THE ONE RIGHT AFTERWARDS IS A RESIDENTIAL USE.

IF YOU REFER TO YOUR STAFF REPORT, UM, THE NORTH IS RESIDENTIAL.

IT SAYS SOUTH IS A CHURCH, THE EAST IS A RESTAURANT AND THE WEST IS RESIDENTIAL.

AND CAN I GET, WHAT IS THE CLASSIFICATION OF WEST MARTIN STREET? IT'S A MINOR, MINOR ART ARTERIAL STREET.

AND I THINK MY NEXT QUESTIONS ARE FOR THE APPLICANT.

NO.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ANY OTHER USES FOR THIS PROPERTY? HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER THINGS THAT YOU GUYS COULD DO WITH THAT ? RIGHT NOW, MY, MY MAIN FOCUS WAS, WAS HAVING

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AUTO VEHICLES.

LIKE I SAID, UM, THERE'S A TIRE SHOP DOWN THE STREET AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE USES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT KIND OF LEND TO ITSELF.

THEY'RE TRYING TO MORE MOM AND POPS TRYING TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER AS A COMMUNITY.

SO HAVING A CAR LOT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP.

THE TIRE SHOP WOULD HELP THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M SORRY, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD BY HAVING THINGS THAT ACTUALLY ALREADY ARE IN PLACE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO, UM, JUST A QUESTION.

WOULD CARS BE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, WOULD IT BE USED CARS, NEW CARS? AND WHERE WOULD YOU SERVICE AND WASH THOSE CARS? THERE'S ACTUALLY A CAR, UH, A CAR WASH AROUND JUST DOWN SMO.

SO I MEAN, WE LOOKED AT THAT AREA AND THERE'S A CAR WASH OVER, UM, ON COMMERCE.

THERE'S ANOTHER CAR WASH DOWN ZAMORA STREET.

THERE'S A TIRE SHOP ON SMO AND PEREZ.

THERE'S A TIRE SHOP ON UH, MARTIN AND JUST A FEW BLOCKS DOWN.

SO A CAR LOT WOULD FUNCTION PERFECTLY THERE.

WE WOULD USE, WE WOULD HAVE USED CARS AND THERE'D BE FUNCTIONAL, THERE'D BE, I MEAN, IT, IT WOULD UPLIFT THAT, THAT AREA INSTEAD OF SEEING WEEDS, WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE A PAVED AREA WITH CAR LOT, I MEAN A GOOD LOOKING VEHICLES.

AND WE WOULD BE USING IT INSTEAD OF A VACANT LOT.

WE WOULD, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A NICE STRUCTURE THERE.

AND SO ARE YOU PLANNING TO PAVE THAT, BUILD A STRUCTURE ON IT? WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT? RIGHT.

WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING A BUILDING, A SMALL BUILDING THERE AND FOR THE OFFICE AND THEN HAVING A FEW, A FEW CARS.

WE'RE NOT GONNA USE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA USE WHAT WE HAVE THERE.

IT'S NOT A HUGE LOT.

SO WE KNOW WE CAN'T JUST OVERBEAR IT BECAUSE THEN OF COURSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NOT GONNA LOOK NICE.

SO ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE USE THE LAND APPROPRIATELY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO OVERRUN IT WITH JUNK CARS.

WE DON'T WANT, WE, WE WANT IT TO LOOK, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT DESTROY IT.

AND HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, LIGHTING? OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SECURITY CONCERNS WITH PAR WITH CARS BEING PARKED OUTSIDE.

SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT MIGHT AND SECURITY HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE? HAVE TO DO, WE'D HAVE TO DO ALL THAT IN, IN, UM, ONCE WE GET IT REZONED, WE COULD, WE COULD DO ALL THE STRUCTURAL BENEFITS TO THAT, TO THAT LOT THAT WE WERE, THAT, THAT WE WANT.

THERE'S GOTTA, THERE'S GOTTA BE A SIGN, THERE'S GOTTA BE ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THE DEALER'S LICENSE ALSO.

SO I NEEDED, UM, FIRST TO GET IT REZONED SO THAT WE COULD START APPLYING FOR A DEALER'S LICENSE AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SIGN, WE HAVE TO HAVE LIGHTING.

THERE'S GOT, THERE'S GOTTA BE ENOUGH, UH, SECURITY AROUND THAT AREA TOO.

AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

WHAT IS THE, THE LIGHTING RESTRICTION IN THIS AREA? SO ALL, ALL LIGHTING HAS TO BE DOWNWARD LIGHTING.

SO IT CAN'T BE ANY ILLUMINATION OF THE USE ON OF THE COMMERCIAL USE ONTO A RESIDENTIAL USE.

BUT THAT'S APPLICABLE ALL OVER.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

COMMISSIONER KAMATH, UH, THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT.

WHERE IS YOUR CURB CUT FOR THE PROPERTY NOW? IS IT ON MARTIN OR IS IT ON NAVIDAD? SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ON VIDAD.

IF YOU, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA KEEP NOW? THAT'LL BE YOUR ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE UH, THIS CAR LOT IF WE APPROVE IT.

THAT'S YOUR PLAN.

WE WERE PLANNING ON HAVING IT IN VIDAD STREET.

SIR, IF YOU DO THAT, HOW MANY CARS CAN YOU PARK IN THIS LOT? HAVE YOU ESTIMATED THAT APPROXIMATELY? IF WE LOOKED AT THE, THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT WOULD BE ABOUT ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT.

IT WOULDN'T BE VERY MANY.

WE'RE GOING TO, I MEAN WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, LOOKING MORE AT QUALITY AS OPPOSED TO QUANTITY.

SO YOUR PLAN IS TO PARK BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT CARS HERE.

THAT'S YOUR CAR LOT? YES SIR.

SO YOUR OFFICE IS GOING TO BE FACING MARTIN, IS IT? WHAT, WHAT'LL BE NEXT TO THE, THE HOUSE THAT WE SEE HERE NEXT TO THE VACANT LOT? THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE PARKING LOT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, TO THE APPLICANT.

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SO, RIGHT.

THE THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO UM, WOULD BE, WOULD BE LIKE WITH, WITH CARS, THAT'D BE THE, OKAY.

YOU'LL HAVE THE CARS LINED UP THERE HAD, CAN YOU MOVE YOUR OFFICE SO IT'S NEXT TO THE HOUSE INSTEAD WITH THE PARKING LOT LOT, I MEAN WE, I'M OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS THAT THAT'S FINE.

WE COULD, WE COULD WE RESTRUCTURE IT THE WAY I WAS LOOKING AT IT WAS TRYING TO FIT AS MANY BUT ALSO NOT DISRUPT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

BUT IF THE, IF WE COULD CHA I COULD CHANGE IT FOR THE OTHER WAY.

I MEAN THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

IT'S STILL APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT OF VEHICLES THAT COULD FIT THE OTHER WAY.

WELL I'M JUST THINKING OF A, A BUFFER BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THAT, THAT BUSINESS, IF YOU DIDN'T DO THAT, WOULD, WHAT OTHER BUFFER WOULD YOU HAVE THERE? WOULD YOU HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE? DO YOU PLAN A PRIVACY FENCE? WE COULD DO A PRIVACY FENCE JUST SO THAT THE NEIGHBOR, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WOULDN'T FEEL ANY KIND OF DISTURBANCE WHILE WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT.

THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM.

THERE IS ALREADY A REQUIRED SOLID SCREEN FENCE AND 15 FOOT BUFFER YARD BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND A RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTY NEXT TO IT.

AND THAT'S A UM, SIX FOOT I GUESS? YES, MINIMUM IS SIX FOOT.

BUT THEY COULD OPT TO DO AN EIGHT FOOT, WE COULD OPT TO DO AN EIGHT FOOT.

WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO AN EIGHT FOOT? I WOULD, I WOULD BE OPEN TO TO, TO DO THAT.

EIGHT FOOT MEAN WOULD WOULD MEAN YOU HAVE TO GO, I THINK YOU HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE TO ASK FOR EIGHT FOOT DOWN.

THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BECAUSE THE, WE, WE CHANGED OUR CODE IN 2015 TO ALLOW AN EIGHT FOOT BY RIDE.

IF THE PROPERTY, UM, THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.

OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.

SAVE SOME MONEY THERE.

UM, OKAY, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

UM, COMMISSIONER SIPES CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF.

UH, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR A BUFFER AND I COULD SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT ON THE WEST SIDE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FUNCTIONALLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AS COMMERCIAL.

SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT.

SO YOU CAN PUT IT ONTO THE SITE PLAN.

IF THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE BUFFER YARD, THEN IT'S A REQUIREMENT DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.

BUT YOU ARE CORRECT.

BUFFER YARD IS ONLY APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT TO ZONING DISTRICT FENCE REQUIREMENT IS IT IS USE AND ZONING.

SORRY, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS, SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING SAID.

FORGIVE ME.

NO, I I THINK WHAT UM, IN ESSENCE WHAT I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE WOULD NEED TO EXPLICITLY DELINEATE IT ON THE SITE PLAN FOR IT TO WHERE A FENCE WOULD GO RATHER THAN JUST SAYING IT'S NOT THE FENCE.

OH, UM, COUNSEL, UM, IF COUNSEL APPROVES IT, THEN THE SITELINE WOULD HAVE TO INDICATE WHERE THAT BUFFER YARD WOULD GO.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, SO MY SITELINE SHOW A PRIVACY FENCE GOING AROUND THE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THE BACK STRUCTURE.

IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? THIS TWO B THE FENCE REQUIREMENT IS BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL USE AND THE RES, THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.

SO THAT IS THE MINIMUM YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE A FENCE THERE.

THE OTHER PORTION IS COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

UM, AND SO WHEN THEY'RE REFERRING TO, TO WHEN THEY SAY A BUFFER YARD IS THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP ALONG THAT.

I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE YOUR WEST SIDE, IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT CORRECTLY.

UM, THAT YOU WOULD SHOW THOSE 15 FEET ARE GONNA BE A BUFFER BUT OF LANDSCAPING BETWEEN PROPERTIES.

NOT NECESSARILY A FENCE, BUT, BUT BOTH OF THEM ARE, ARE REQUIREMENT.

YOU OKAY COMMISSIONER SIPES? I'M NOT, BUT OKAY, I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW BACK UP.

AND REMEMBER THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE.

SO THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAN BE CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION.

UH, AND OKAY, YOU'RE DONE.

COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU SAID YOU WERE A TEACHER, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR

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PLANS.

WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS AND DAYS OF OPERATION? OKAY, SO AS A TEACHER, THAT'S MY, MY JOB.

BUT, UM, I'M PLANNING ON MY, MY FAMILY IS THE ONE THAT'S GONNA HELP ME OUT WITH THIS.

AND WE'RE GONNA START OFF SMALL, LIKE ANY MOM AND POP SHOP, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START OFF SMALL.

SO WHEN I SAY SIX, IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE LESS THAN SIX, SIX TO EIGHT.

I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA BE STARTING OFF SMALL 'CAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE FUNDING IT.

AND AS A TEACHER, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T MAKE TONS OF MONEY, BUT UM, WE'RE GOING TO START OFF SMALL.

WE'RE GOING TO INVEST SOME OF THE MONEY THAT WE'VE SAVED UP AND MY FAMILY IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE HELPING ME RUN THE, RUN THE OPERATION.

ALRIGHT, BUT IS THAT MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY? JUST WEEKENDS? WHAT DO YOU ENVISION? I'M ENVISIONING AT LEAST MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.

WHAT WOULD YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION BE? PROBABLY EIGHT TO FIVE.

WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO NOT HAVING ANY OUTDOOR SPEECHES? NO.

ALL I HAVE.

COMMISSIONER ROMERO.

UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING.

I'M SORRY.

BUT, SO IN THE STAFF REPORT IT SAYS THERE'S RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST, BUT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SAYING IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE, THAT WHOLE STRIP IS C TWO.

BUT I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE ZONING, BUT I'M SAYING ON WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT WHERE THE STAFF TALKS ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH AND IT SAYS RIGHT, A STAFF REPORT FOR THE WEST, IT HAS A C TWO ZONING, BUT WITH RESIDENTIAL USES, THAT WAS KIND OF A, LIKE A THIN SLICE THERE.

THE MAJORITY OF KIND OF LIKE BOTH OF 'EM ARE KIND OF RESIDENTIAL.

THERE'S NOT LIKE A INDIVIDUAL, UM, HOUSE RIGHT THERE, AN IMMEDIATE ONE THAT'S NOT REALLY CLEARING IT UP FOR ME.

I MEAN IT'S, I'M LOOKING ADJACENT BASED ZONING AND LAND USES NORTH RESIDENTIAL.

WEST RESIDENTIAL.

SO ADJACENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN A BUDDING, IT JUST MEANS THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DIRECTION TO THE NORTH, THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTH.

IT MAY NOT THE COMMERCIAL OR IT MAY BE VACANT.

A A BUDDING IT TO THE NORTH.

CORRECT? THERE'S RESIDENTIAL USES THERE.

BUT WEST IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT AND RESIDENTIAL.

AND I KNOW WE JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, BUT I MEAN, HOW IS, HOW IS RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBLE WITH ESSENTIALLY A C THREE USE? SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A CAR SALES LOT NOT CAR REPAIR.

UM, AND THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT YOU CAN PUT ONTO A CAR SALES LOT THAT DOESN'T ALLOW ANY TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.

THOSE PENANT FLAGS, THOSE, UM, INFLATABLE TYPE SIGNAGE.

SO ESSENTIALLY IN THE END IT LOOKS LIKE A PARKING LOT.

BUT IT IS A C THREE USE BY RIGHT? IT'S CAR SALES? THAT'S CORRECT.

IN OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE IT IS A C THREE USED BY, RIGHT.

I MEAN I, I GUESS I FEEL BETTER BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CARS AND I SUPPOSE THAT CAN BE PART OF THE CONDITION AS WELL.

ONE OF THE ONES WE DID RECENTLY, UM, TO TRY AND GET AROUND, UM, JUST SORT OF PILING OF CARS ONTO A A LOT WAS TO SAY LIKE, IF YOU HAD A, JUST A SMALL OFFICE ON THIS LOT, WHAT, HOW MANY, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES COULD YOU HAVE? AND THAT WE'D LIMIT THE NUMBER OF CARS TO THOSE PARK THAT SAME LEVEL.

UM, SO I GUESS I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

I, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF EIGHT FOOT FENCES.

I REALLY HOPE WE RECONSIDER THAT 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE VERY CONDUCIVE TO NEIGHBORHOODS.

BUT THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, I GUESS TO STAFF, SO THE HISTORY OF THE ZONING HERE, IT WAS, IT WAS ALWAYS ZONED COMMERCIAL.

IT WAS NOT ZONED RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE HAVE RESIDENCE ON THE COMMERCIAL ZONED PROPERTY.

YES MA'AM.

AT ONE TIME OR THEY WERE BUILT AS THESE LITTLE BUNGALOWS? UM, I DIDN'T SEE THE, I DIDN'T RESEARCH THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, BUT IT ALL KIND OF, UH, MOVED TOGETHER FROM G TO UH, TO C TWO KIND OF ALL WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THAT WAS MARTIN AREA AND THE OLD G PERMITTED RESIDENTIAL AND, AND COMMERCIAL USES.

'CAUSE IT SAYS IT WAS ZONED G BACK IN THE DAY AND I DON'T SEE THAT IT WAS, WAS EVER REZONED TO RESIDENTIAL.

SO I BELIEVE THAT WHOLE STRIP OF, UH, MARTIN WAS, UH, COMMERCIAL.

LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE, BUT WERE THESE, YOU THINK MAYBE SOME OF THE, WHAT WE SEE AS HOUSES WERE BUSINESSES

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I WAS GONNA ASK THAT.

IT MUST'VE BEEN THAT.

SO, BUT HOW DID IT, SO WHEN YOU WENT FROM, YOU TOOK G TO TO SAY C TWO EVEN THOUGH THOSE WERE SITTING THERE AS A G SO THEY'RE, ARE THEY OUT OF COMPLIANCE OR THEY'RE IT WOULD BE CALLED NON-CONFORMING IF IT'S A HOME IN A C TWO DISTRICT, YES.

IT'S NON-CONFORMING.

IF ANYONE FIXES UP THEIR HOMES, THEY WOULD, THEY CAN FIX 'EM UP UP TO 50%.

BUT IF THEY WANNA ADD A BATHROOM, EXPAND IT, THEN THEY NEED TO REZONE YOU HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY DEALING WITH REALLY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, BUT IT LOOKS RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S A OBVIOUS ONE.

AND THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE WEST SIDE COMMUNITY PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CURRENT USES ALIGN WITH THE ZONING.

UM, FOR CLARIFICATION OF MY UNDERSTANDING, SO EARLIER YOU SAID IF IT'S UM, IF IT'S A FENCING, REQUIRED FENCING THAT'S UH, ZONING TO ZONING AND YOU SAID BUFFERS IS USE TO USE.

SO ZONING, I MEAN, I'M SORRY.

FENCING IS REQUIRED WHEN IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE OR COMMERCIAL ZONE ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY USE.

A BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENT IS ONLY APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT TO ZONING DISTRICT.

SO IF THIS PROPERTY ZONE C TWO IS ADJACENT TO A C TWO PROPERTY, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A BUFFER YARD.

HOWEVER, THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS, YOU CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION TO REQUIRE A 15 FOOT BUFFER YARD.

IT CAN BE SHOWN ON A SITE PLAN OR IT CAN JUST BE A CONDITION.

EITHER WAY IT WOULD BE PART OF THE ORDINANCE.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, I GUESS THEY'RE TRYING TO SHOW US, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR EXAMPLE MM-HMM.

, THANKS FOR THE NEW, FOR THE IMPROVED DOCUMENT CAMERA.

ANYWAY, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UNLESS ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.

OOPS.

AT THIS POINT I MAKE A A RECOMMENDATION FOR MOTION, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

FOR ITEM NUMBER, SORRY, ITEM NUMBER NINE.

UM, I RECOMMEND DENIAL SECOND.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR DENIAL WITH UM, A SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION.

ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M SORT OF CONFUSED AS TO WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

UH, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE SORT OF ON THE PATH TOWARDS SOMETHING, SO MAYBE IF THE COMMISSIONER COULD EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE WE COULD DISCUSS IT.

COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.

CONSIDERED OUT OF THIS IN ORDER TO GET THE ZONING IN LINE WITH WHAT THE PROPERTIES ARE ACTUALLY BEING USED AS CURRENTLY, I DON'T SEE HOW GOING TO A C THREE MORE INTENSIVE USE MAKES SENSE IN THE SITUATION, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE DO, IF WE HAD C TWO USES OR WE HAD EVEN COMMERCIAL USES ON THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE WEST AND TO THE NORTH, THEN I THINK THAT IT COULD BE, I, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING IT IN THAT SITUATION.

SORRY IF I LED SOMEONE DOWN A PATH .

NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN .

NO, IT'S FINE.

NO.

SO, UM, THE, THE REASON THAT I'M NOT SUPPORTING THIS IS BECAUSE THIS AREA FROM, FROM DRIVING IT, FROM LOOKING AT IT REALLY APPEARS TO BE LARGELY RESIDENTIAL DESPITE THE C TWO ZONING.

I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO SOME OF OUR CODE CONVERSION SITUATIONS.

THESE HOMES ARE SMALL HOMES.

THE HOME THAT IS NEXT DOOR TO THE WEST IS, IT'S A VERY SMALL LOT.

THERE IS BARELY ANY BUFFER.

IT'S NOT GONNA CALL IT A ZERO LOT LINE, BUT IT'S MAYBE A FIVE FOOT, UH, BUFFER.

AND THAT WOULD BE DIRECTLY WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, CARS WOULD BE PARKED DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY DOING A BUFFER.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE SIZE, THAT'S ONLY A 50 FOOT WIDE LOT RIGHT THERE.

SO YOU'RE REMOVING 10 TO 15 FEET.

I I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GONNA BE CONDUCIVE FOR THAT OPERATION ON THAT PROPERTY.

ADDITIONALLY, UM, I THINK GIVEN THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A POTENTIAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL LARGE AREA REZONING THAT COULD BE

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BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE BEING USED AS RESIDENCES, I DON'T FEEL THAT I CAN SUPPORT IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, ALSO THINKING ABOUT THIS OPERATION OF THIS TYPE OF A, UM, OF A, OF A BUSINESS, UM, YOU KNOW, SEEING CAR LOTS ALONG BIGGER STREETS, YOU KNOW, MORE OF THE KIND OF MAJOR ARTERIALS FREEWAYS, UH, ROADS LIKE SAN PEDRO HILDEBRAND, NOT SMALLER STREETS LIKE THIS THAT ARE REALLY, LIKE I SAID, LARGELY RESIDENTIAL.

THERE'S ON STREET PARKING, UM, IF YOU GO UP AND DOWN THE STREET, UM, NO ONE REALLY HAS ANY PARKING.

I DUNNO HOW ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES COULD OPERATE AS COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THERE'S LITERALLY NO PLACE TO PARK.

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A DRIVEWAY TO PARK THEIR CARS IN AS A RESIDENCE.

SO THAT, THOSE ARE MY REASONS FOR NOT, UM, FEELING LIKE I CAN SUPPORT THIS USE IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

COMMISSIONER ROMERO, UM, LET'S THANK YOU.

AND I, I AM, UM, I AM PERSUADED BY THAT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS? AM I RIGHT? COMMISSIONER SIPES AND, AND I AGREE, UM, WITH THAT EXPLANATION.

UM, AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE WERE DOING IS WE ARE TRYING TO SHOEHORN SOMETHING IN AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH LIKE, WELL, WHAT IF WE DID THIS? WHAT IF WE DID THAT? TRYING TO MAKE IT FIT WHERE IT PROBABLY DOESN'T FIT.

COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UM, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE.

I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT FIT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I DO THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THINGS KIND OF GOT SKEWED WHEN WE DID SOME REZONING BACK IN THE DAY BECAUSE JUST LOOKING FROM THE MAP, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, THE MAJORITY LOOKS LIKE IT'S RESIDENTIAL USE AND THE ONLY CHANGES THAT I SEE ARE GONNA BE TO MAKE THAT A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IS GONNA BE KNOCKING DOWN THE MAJORITY OF THOSE HOUSES TO EVEN BUILD A BUSINESS THAT WOULD WORK ALONG THAT STREET.

SO I, I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

COMMISSIONER NICKS, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE, THE C TWO BEING THAT WEST MARTIN IS, UH, DESIGNATED IN ARTERIAL AND IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE RESIDENTIAL'S THERE AND IT'LL PROBABLY BE THERE LONG AFTER I'M GONE.

UM, SO I, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I PUT A LOT OF WORK ON STAFF TO NOT JUST THE STAFF, BUT THE WHOLE CITY PLANNING STAFF TO LOOK IN ON THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS ZONING.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW AT C TWO, IT CAN GO AS A BUSINESS WITHOUT CONDITIONS, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE.

COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.

UM, SO I'M NOT, I GUESS I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY STAFF APPROVED IT.

I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S ASSESSMENT, BUT WHAT, WHAT WAS STAFF'S REASONING FOR I'M LOOK AT YOU GUYS.

WHAT WAS STAFF'S REASONING FOR APPROVAL? IF IS OKAY IF I ASK THAT MADAM CHAIR.

SO IT MET THE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE BAY ZONING DISTRICT STILL MET THE, UH, SAME BAY ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, WE, WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

UM, OBVIOUSLY SHE CAN'T HELP THAT.

THE OTHER COMMERCIAL LOTS WENT INTO RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THAT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.

UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T CONSIDER WHEN WE MADE THE THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE MADE THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

AND, AND JUST TO CHIME IN WITH APPROPRIATE BUFFERS AND CONDITIONS, AGAIN, IT'S ESSENTIALLY LOOKS JUST LIKE A SMALL PARKING LOT.

IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE'RE ON THE FLIP SIDE OF IT WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE, ARE OUT OF ZONE AND NOT THE BUSINESS.

IT MIGHT BE THE LONE VOTE HERE.

UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OKAY.

UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE'RE READY FOR ROLL CALL.

VOTE.

COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.

COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO.

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COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.

I STAND.

UM, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A, UH, FIVE, FIVE MINUTES.

UH, MARCO MAVI ZONING PLANNER, UH, WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

ALRIGHT, IT IS NOW 3:10 PM AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION.

ALRIGHT,

[10. 19-6015 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700152 CD (Council District 5): A request for a change in zoning from "C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-1 CD MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Light Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District with Conditional Use for Motor Vehicle Sales (Full Service) on Lot 353, NCB 8524, located at 1448 Somerset Road. Staff recommends Denial. (Mirko Maravi, Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]

ITEM NUMBER 10 IS ON 1448 SOMERSET ROAD.

GOING FROM C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO C ONE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FULL SERVICE.

UH, 38 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.

ZERO.

RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.

AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE GUANA COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

UH, STAFF HAS FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.

THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA AND SATURATION OF MOTOR VEHICLE SALES IN THIS AREA ARE HIGHER AND IN OTHER AREAS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE AND PRESENT.

WE STARTED EVERYTHING AUGUST 17TH, 2018.

MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? MR. YBARRA? UH, I REPRESENT EL AND SARAH C MANU KING.

WE ALREADY HAVE INVESTED, WELL, NOT ME, HE HAS 270,000.

WE FOLLOWED ALL THE RULES, ALL THE RULES, AND A MATTER OF FACT THE RULES, THEY WERE EVEN, YOU KNOW, MAKING US PAY FOR AND TWO DAYS PRIOR, PRIOR TO BEING HERE, HE SENDS ME A MESSAGE SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA DENY IT BECAUSE THERE WAS MANY TOO, TOO MANY CAR LOTS ON MILITARY DRIVE AT SOMERSET.

THERE'S TWO IN SOMERSET, HIS BROTHER AND ANOTHER LADY, AND HIS BROTHER'S NOT COMPLAINING.

AND THE OTHER ONE IS ON, UH, NEW LAREDO HIGHWAY 0.6, MILE 0.6 ON, UH, MILITARY FROM WHERE HE'S AT 0.6 MILES, NOT WHAT HE SAYS.

TWO, UH, 3.8 OR WHATEVER.

I MEASURED IT AND HE SAID 11 OR WHATEVER.

THERE'S ONLY 10.

AND CROSSING SOMERSET CROSSING, THERE'S ONLY TWO RIGHT NOW.

AND THE ONE HE'S APPLYING FOR ON ONE POINT, UH, ON EIGHT MILE STRETCH.

I MEAN, THEY SHOULD HAVE TOLD US THAT FROM THE START, FROM THE START THAT THEY WERE GONNA START COUNTING THINGS AND, AND THAT THING CAN'T COUNT NO MORE BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS IN THE INTERNET.

SO EVERYBODY'S INFRINGING ON EVERYBODY.

I MEAN, THEY BELIEVE IN THROWING $250,000 DOWN THE TUBE.

THEY DON'T CARE.

IT'S NOT THEIR MONEY.

IT'S NOT MY MONEY, IT'S HIS MONEY.

FEEL SORRY FOR 'EM.

NOT DOING NOTHING WRONG.

YOU APPLIED THE RIGHT WAY.

APPLIED ALL THE PAPERWORK, EVERYTHING.

WE REMODELED IT.

JUST LOOK AT IT.

CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN? PUT UP ON TOP? WE BUILT EVERYTHING IN THE HEIGHT, EVERYTHING, HIM AND HIS BROTHERS,

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EVERYTHING.

AND THEY'RE ALL IN THE CAR BUSINESS WHERE THEY GET THAT IDEA THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY SAY THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM AND THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, ALMOST HALF A MILE AWAY, HALF A MILE.

THIS LADY'S JUST PUT A LOT, A CAR LOT IN A, IN A, IN A A HOUSE, APARTMENT, HOUSE LOT IN THE ENVIRONMENT THERE.

IF, IF YOU REALLY WANT, IF, IF YOU ALL REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT IT.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S INFRINGING UP THERE, THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM.

THERE'S FIVE SALVAGE COMPANIES UP THERE, FIVE WITHIN EIGHT BLOCKS, FIVE.

AND THE TRAFFIC UP THERE IS JUST, JUST BOOMING.

AND, UH, WITH CARS LOADED GOING TO THEIR THING, TO THE SALVAGE YARDS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY REALLY.

AND TRULY FOLLOW THE RULES, FOLLOW EVERYTHING AND THEN DECIDE THEY, THEY DECIDE THE OPPOSITE.

THE ONES THAT ARE TELLING US THEY DECIDE THE OPPOSITE.

NOT RIGHT ALL FOR THE VOTE.

THE MAN IS HERE.

HE CAN THANK YOU SIR.

STATE STAY NEARBY.

WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU HUH? WILL STAY NEARBY.

WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO MA'AM.

COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.

ACTUALLY, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GONNA HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

UM, ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE THING, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT SATURATION.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT AND WHAT KIND OF SATURATION ARE WE LOOKING IN THIS AREA? WHEN WE, UH, DID AFTER OBVIOUSLY, UH, THIS IS NOTHING THAT WE COULD SEE WHEN THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR.

AFTER WE GET THE APPLICATION, WE DO OUR RESEARCH OF THE AREA.

UH, WHEN WE DID THE RESEARCH OF THE AREA, WE DID NOTICE A HIGH AMOUNT OF, UH, VEHICLE LOTS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE DID THE, UM, RADIUS RESEARCH ON THAT.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE DIRECT ROADS, BUT, UH, STRAIGHT LINE DISTANCE IS 0.36 MILES, UM, WITH 10 CAR LOTS THAT WE SAW IN THE AREA.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE, UH, DID THE SATURATION COUNSELOR.

AND NOW WHEN YOU, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE SALVAGE YARDS AS WELL? NO, SIR.

SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS 10 CAR LOTS PLUS, YOU KNOW, IF TAKING HIS INFORMATION IS CORRECT, ANOTHER FIVE SALVAGE YARDS IN THAT APPROXIMATE AREA.

CORRECT, SIR.

UM, NOW I CAN'T READ MY HANDWRITING.

UM, ACTUALLY I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP.

UM, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

UM, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AND, AND FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, BUT WHY IS, IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO AS FAR AS LIKE A SATURATION? WHAT, WHAT IS THE NO MA'AM.

UH, WE JUST, AT STAFF WE MADE A OBSERVATION, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT SAY THE KNOB.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE SAW.

AND THAT'S THE, AND AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.

AND, UH, COMBINED WITH THE USE OF A C THREE, UM, WHICH DOESN'T MATCH THE, UH, LAND USE.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE TWO WHILE WE MADE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? UH, QUESTIONS.

AND WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? QUINTANA COMMUNITY.

UM, SO REMIND ME AGAIN, UM, HOW MANY, UM, UH, NOTICES YOU RECEIVED BACK? IT WAS 30 PROPERTY OWNERS AND NO RESPONSES FOR OR AGAINST AND NO RESPONSE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MA'AM.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.

UM, WHILE I CERTAINLY HAVE A, A GREAT DEAL OF SYMPATHY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SPENDING THIS MONEY, MR. QUIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IN THIS CASE, ONE THING THAT DISTRICT FIVE'S REALLY LOOKING AT IS THIS SATURATION OF THESE KINDS OF CAR LOTS.

THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT HAS

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BEEN, UH, FAIRLY CONSISTENT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS IN DISTRICT FIVE.

UM, AND, AND ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT LAST ITEM, UH, ON TODAY'S AGENDA WAS IN FACT DENIED.

UM, THAT WAS NOT A PROPERTY THAT WAS ALLOWED TO SERVE AS A CAR LOT IN THIS CASE BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, PUTATIVELY A DOWN ZONING TO C ONE.

BUT BY USING THE CONDITIONAL USE TO C THREE, IT IT, IT RAISES CONCERNS THAT I THINK I'M GOING TO GO ALONG WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

AND SO AS A RESULT, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER 10.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND.

UM, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER NICKS? WELL, I'M NOT SURE.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE, THE METHOD ON THE SATURATION ON SOMERSET.

THERE IS A LOT OF MILITARY, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT MY DISTRICT.

I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR AND I'M GOING SUPPORT THE COMMISSIONER BECAUSE HE, HE DOES KNOW THE AREA BETTER THAN I DO.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

ALRIGHT, UM, WE'RE READY FOR ROLL CALL.

VOTE PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE AYE.

AND GOOD AFTERNOON, MARCO RAVI, ZONING PLANNER.

MOTION PASSES

[11. 19-6016 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700153 CD (Council District 7): A request for a change in zoning from "C-2 AHOD" Commercial Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 CD AHOD" Commercial Airport Hazard Overlay District with a Conditional Use for Live Entertainment without cover charge for 3 or more days a week on 2.6786 acres out of NCB 14160, located at 5455 Evers Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Mirko Maravi, Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]

UH, NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 11, UH, 54 55 EVERS ROAD GOING FROM COMMERCIAL C TWO TO COMMERCIAL C TWO CD WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WITHOUT COVERED CHARGES.

THREE MORE DAYS PER WEEK.

22 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS.

ZERO.

RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.

AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STAFF HAS NOT FOUND LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE.

THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE.

WE WORK EXTENSIVELY WITH THAT.

OUR COUNCILMAN AS FAR AS ADDRESSING ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY FIT WITH THAT NEED.

AND I'M HERE FOR, TO CLARIFY ANY CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM.

COMMISSIONER SIPES.

, UH, THANK YOU.

THE, THE, THE MAIN REASON, UM, YEAH, THAT THIS WAS PULLED OFF OF CONSENT WAS SO THAT WE COULD ADD A FEW CONDITIONS.

AND, UH, SO IF I COULD HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, AND I'M JUST GONNA ASK IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH ADDING THESE CONDITIONS.

UM, THOSE WERE FOR, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY FROM FIVE TO TO 2:00 AM AND THEN ON SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY FROM FIVE TO TO MIDNIGHT.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA ADD THAT NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION, WE ARE AMENDABLE TO THOSE CONDITIONS.

I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

IT'S GONE MY CHILDHOOD DAYS.

UM, COM UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS? UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.

OH, OKAY.

SO WHAT, WAS THIS LIKE A OLD HOBBY LOBBY OR WHAT WAS THIS BUILDING? IT WAS OLD MARSHALS.

MAN,

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BOY, YOU NEED A BARGAIN TOWEL.

UM, SO IT, IT'S THREE DAYS A WEEK.

DO YOU PLAN TO EXTEND IT, UH, EXPAND IT TO MORE THAN THOSE THREE DAYS A WEEK? WHAT THREE DAYS WOULD THOSE BE? FRIDAY, SATURDAY DAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY.

JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE WE TALKING FOR A COVER CHARGE OR IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF? OH, OH, YOU'RE GONNA BE OPEN ALL THE TIME? WELL, WE'RE OPEN FIVE DAYS A WEEK.

YES MA'AM.

AND THREE DAYS IS NO COVER CHARGE? AT LEAST THREE DAYS.

IN, IN OTHER WORDS, HE'S GONNA HAVE A COVER CHARGE TWO DAYS A WEEK.

THE REST OF THE WEEK HE'S NOT GONNA HAVE A COVER CHARGE.

OH, OKAY.

UM, SO IS WHAT WHAT GOES ON INSIDE, I GUESS .

SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO WHAT WE ESSENTIALLY DO, WE, WE OWN VENUES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

WE OWN VENUES IN LOUISIANA, MIAMI AND ATLANTA.

WE DO A LOT OF LIVE MUSIC CONCERTS, EVENTS, EVERYTHING FROM JAZZ TO HANO COUNTRY IN SAN ANTONIO.

WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IS THERE'S A, A LACKING OF MID SIDE VENUES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE FOR SOMEONE TO DO NOT ONLY A QUINCE, A BIRTHDAY OR CORPORATE EVENT, BUT EVEN A CONCERT.

SO IN SAN ANTONIO THERE ARE OPTIONAL, ESSENTIALLY THE ALAMO DOME, WHICH WE'VE DONE, SHOWS THAT WHICH COMES OUT TO AROUND $30,000 SPENT BEFORE YOU OPEN THE DOORS.

FROM THERE, WE GO TO THE AZTEC THEATER, WHICH IS AROUND $17,000 BEFORE YOU OPEN THE DOORS.

SO THE VENUES THAT THEY HAD BEFORE, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN THE ALAMO MUSIC CITY HALL, I THINK THE CITY RECENTLY GAVE THAT BUILDING TO THE ARMY.

AND THEN A NUMBER OF OTHER MID-SIZED VENUES HAVE SINCE CLOSED DOWN.

SO WHAT WE FOUND, WE IDENTIFIED THIS PROPERTY, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR, I'M ASSUMING, I'VE BEEN COMING TO SAN ANTONIO FOR OVER FIVE, SIX YEARS.

IT'S BEEN EMPTY MOST OF THAT TIME.

SO WHAT WE DID, WE FOUND A BEDROOM WHERE WE CAN DO LIVE MUSIC VENUES, HAVE A PROFESSIONAL STAGE, DRESSING ROOMS. IT'D BE LIKE YOU GO INTO YOUR FAVORITE SHOWS SITTING DOWN IN A COMFORTABLE, SAFER ENVIRONMENT, AND BEING ABLE TO ENJOY YOURSELF.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TRULY PRIDE OURSELF, AND I'M SPEAKING OVER, IS THE FACT THAT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING, WHICH HAS BEEN OVER 15 YEARS, WE PRIDE OURSELF THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE A GREAT COMMUNITY TIE.

SO WITH THAT, IN ALL OF OUR VENUES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, WE OPEN THE VENUE TO COMMUNITY EVENTS SO THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN TOUCH, BASES GIVE, AND IT'S A FREE EVENT, COMPLETELY FREE, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR WAY OF GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE TAKING A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS, AND WE'RE PROVIDING 200 JOBS WITHIN THAT AREA.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S IN OUR VIEW, WE WANT TO DO OUR PART TO WORK WITH YOU, TO WORK WITH US, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE, YOU AND I CAN GO OUT, HAVE A SAFE EVENT AND ENJOY YOURSELF.

UM, YES, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.

SO ARE YOU, DO YOU BOOK THE, THE ENTERTAINMENT OR YOU JUST PROVIDE THE VENUE? WE DO BOTH, MA'AM.

WE BOTH BOOK SHOWS AS WELL.

AS, I'M SURE MOST OF US SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH LIVE NATION.

THEY'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST TOURING COMPANY, SO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM THAT THEY'LL ALSO PROVIDE SHOWS AS WELL.

SO WE DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN SEE YOUR BEST COMIC DO SHOW.

YOU CAN DO SYMPHONY, YOU CAN DO ORCHESTRA, OR YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, A JAZZ QUARTET.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BOOKED BEFORE IS THOSE TYPE OF ENTERTAINERS? YES, MA'AM.

SORRY.

LATE BLOOMER HERE.

UH, ONE QUESTION.

'CAUSE AS YOU WERE DESCRIBING YOUR VENUES, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS GREAT IN ANOTHER MUSIC, UH, VENUE, BUT I DO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT OF THE RESIDENTIAL, NOT QUITE REALLY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I JUST RAISE THE QUESTION, WHAT KIND OF SOUNDPROOFING WILL YOU DO TO CONTAIN THAT? SO ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS BUILDING, IT WAS BUILT I THINK FIFTIES, SIXTIES.

THE WALLS ARE ALMOST 12 FOOT, 12 INCHES WIDTH.

THEY'RE LIKE A FOOT DEEP AND IT'S SOLID CONCRETE.

SO YOU'RE GONNA GET VERY LITTLE NOISE TRANSMISSION THROUGH THE BUILDING.

UM, FROM WHAT I RESEARCH, I THINK IN THE PAST THEY'VE DONE ACTUALLY LIKE WRESTLING EVENTS THERE.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERTS THERE.

SO I THINK SOME OF THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED.

UM, SO WE'RE NOT FACILITY, OF COURSE, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR OWN UPGRADES, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DON'T SEE OR ANTICIPATE THERE BEING ANY NOISE TRANSMISSION TO, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS, I GUESS THAT'S A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET ACROSS THE RAVINE.

YEP.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER SIPES.

ANY COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THANKS TO THE APPLICANT.

FOR ITEM NUMBER 11, I AM MAKING A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL WITH, UM, CONDITIONS AS STATED.

AND A SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION.

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UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION, UM, AS A LIVE MUSIC FDO.

I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE YOU GUYS COMING TO SAN ANTONIO TO PROVIDE MORE VENUES AND MORE OPTIONS FOR, UH, SHOWS FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND TO INCREASE OUR CULTURE AND TO MAKE THIS A MORE ENJOYABLE PLACE TO LIVE.

AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN BOTH FINDING A VENUE, FINDING AN AREA, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE SOUNDPROOFING.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HAVE DONE THAT DUE DILIGENCE.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND DISCUSS, UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.

SORRY, I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO VOTE.

OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR A ROLL CALL.

VOTE.

COMMISSIONER S SIPES.

COMMISSIONER BUSTA MONTE.

AYE.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

[15. 19-5914 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700173 (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 UC-4 AHOD" Residential Single-Family North Saint Mary's Street Urban Corridor Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-2 UC-4 AHOD" Limited Intensity Infill Development Zone North Saint Mary's Street Urban Corridor Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for four (4) dwelling units on Lots 23 and 24, BLK 5, NCB 6793, located at 760 East Locust Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).]

PATRICIA FRANCO.

ITEM NUMBER 15, LOCATED AT SEVEN 60 EAST LOCUST STREET IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING FROM R SIX TO I D Z TWO WITH PERMITTED USES FOR FOUR RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.

31 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, AND THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.

THE PROPERTY IS A BLOCK WITHIN A, THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN A BLOCK OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, VACANT PROPERTY AND COMMERCIAL USES, AND IS ACROSS FROM A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.

ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN 50 FEET OF SINGLE FAMILY USES ZONES.

THE STRUCTURE IS RESTRICTED TO TWO AND A HALF STORY, OR 30 OR 35 FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITATION.

ANY ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WILL REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ADJUSTMENT.

STAFF RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL AND THE REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT.

MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME'S TERRY MCMANUS AND, UH, I'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF 2006.

I BOUGHT IT FROM WHO HAD BUILT THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY, UH, THE STREET WHEN I BOUGHT IT.

AND UNTIL RECENTLY, IT WAS A VERY UGLY STREET, OBVIOUSLY, IN A HOT NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, AT THE TIME IT WASN'T HOT, UM, WAS MOSTLY UGLY BECAUSE IT WAS INDUSTRIAL.

UH, FLASHER EQUIPMENT OCCUPIED MOST OF THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM ME, ALMO, WELL, UP UP THE STREET TOWARD NORTH ST.

MARY'S.

UM, ON EITHER END YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL AND ON THE STREET BEHIND ME, MYRTLE, THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY, ONE STORY HOUSES, WOOD FRAME, ET CETERA.

UH, BUT ON OUR STREET, EVERYTHING WAS PRETTY, PRETTY UGLY.

UM, MY HOUSE IS REALLY NOT WORTH FIXING UP RIGHT NOW.

IT NEEDS TORN DOWN.

IT HAD DID FLOOD IN 98, AND IT DOES GET WATER ON IT.

THAT TRAVELS DOWN FROM A A NORTH ST.

MARY'S.

UM, RIGHT NOW THERE, I THINK THERE ARE 10 LOTS.

UM, BASICALLY THERE'S A RENTAL.

MINE WAS A RENTAL, AND THERE'S THREE HOUSES ON THE STREET THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL.

TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE AT 7 42 AND 7 56 DEFINITELY ARE GONNA SELL THEIR PROPERTIES.

ONE ALREADY HAD A CONTRACT, BUT IT FELL THROUGH NEXT TO ME AND I'VE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT GETTING AN OPTION ON HIS.

AND, UH, MR. GARZA AT 7 42 IS JUST HOLDING OUT.

HE'S NOT FIXING HIS PROPERTY UP BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT'LL BE SOLD.

UM, AT THE END OF THE STREET, THERE'S A RENTAL LOAN BY AN L L C, AN ATTORNEY WHO'S WANTED TO BUY MINE AT ONE TIME.

THEY USE IT AS AN ALTERNATIVE INVESTMENT, I GUESS AN ALTERNATIVE CD BASICALLY, THAT LEAVES ONE HOUSE, UM, AT 7 64, WHICH IS OWNED BY, UH, JONATHAN CARD, AN ARCHITECT HERE LOCALLY.

UM, HE BUILT THIS HOUSE, UH, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, I GUESS, THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.

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UH, IT'S AN OUTLIER.

IT'S VERY NICE HOUSE, 3,300 FEET, THREE STORIES, UH, HOUSE.

UM, AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S MY LITTLE UGLY PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.

AND WHAT I'M PROPOSING, UH, TO DO IS BUILD A THREE STORY PROPERTY, PROPERTY WITHIN 35 FEET.

UM, THAT WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S BEING BUILT THERE.

I MEAN, THEY'LL OBVIOUSLY COMPLIMENT IT IN LOOKS, UH, UM, UH, MORE LIKE SO JO'S PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET AS OPPOSED TO MR. CARD'S, UH, ALL METAL BUILDING THERE.

UM, BUT BASICALLY ALL THE TOWN HOMES THERE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO WALK UP AND DOWN THREE AND TO GET TO THE ROOF, FOUR FLIGHTS OF STAIRS.

THAT SEEMS CRAZY TO ME IF YOU'RE GONNA PAY THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO MY PLAN IS TO BUILD A THREE STORY BUILDING.

FIRST FLOOR BEING EIGHT PARKING SPOTS, TWO PER UNIT WITH A CENTRAL GALLERY.

THAT WILL INCLUDE AN ELEVATOR, NOT A LIFT, A REGULAR ELEVATOR.

UM, AND THE STAIRWELL, OF COURSE.

SO THAT WHEN, AND THEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR, TWO CONDOMINIUMS AROUND 1700, 17 50 SQUARE FEET.

UM, AND THEN ON THE THIRD FLOOR, THE SAME THING.

NOW ON THE SITE PLAN, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE MY DESIGNER WROTE IN ROOF DECK.

THERE'S NO DECK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S THE ROOF.

OKAY? IT WE'RE JUST PUT DOWN MATERIALS WHERE YOU CAN WALK ON IT IN CASE YOU WANT TO GO UP AND SHOW YOUR FRIENDS THE CITY.

AND IT'LL WOULD, IT SHOULD HAVE A, LIKE A FOUR FOOT PARAPET WALL, WHICH WOULD BE WITHIN THAT 35 FEET, UH, JUST LIKE SOJO HAS ACROSS THE STREET.

OKAY? I'VE BEEN UP ON THEIR ROOF ON THERE.

NOW, UH, I KNOW 35 FEET IS THE LIMIT, I BELIEVE MR. CARD'S HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S R SIX AND SUPPOSED TO BE 35 FEET, THE PEAK THERE BECAUSE OF SOME, UH, AVERAGING, UH, PROBABLY EXTENDS ABOVE 35 FEET.

MINE SHOULD BE 35 FEET.

THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE THREE FLOORS.

AND I'VE, THAT'S WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED.

WE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN JANUARY OF, UM, 18 WITH A DIFFERENT ARCHITECT THAT JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT BETWEEN US.

UM, I WAS GETTING NOTHING FROM HIM, SO I HAD TO REINSTATE THIS APPLICATION.

AND, AND AT THE TIME, I WAS TOLD TO GO I D Z, UM, NOW IT'S OF COURSE I D Z ONE, TWO OR THREE.

WE MET WITH TOBIN HILL THERE.

UM, UH, IN AGREEMENT THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PLAN.

UH, AND WE MET WITH, UH, CHRISSY MCCAIN BEFORE SHE LEFT AT ROBERT TREVINO'S OFFICE.

UH, THEY WERE, UH, IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, THE PLAN, THE THREE STORY PLAN.

AND, UH, THAT'S ABOUT IT.

I NEED THIS SMALL GUY.

I AM NOT THE, I KNOW YOU GUYS DEAL WITH ALL THESE HUGE DEVELOPMENTS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT.

AND THE QUESTION COMES DOWN TO TAX INCENTIVES, NOT WITH Y'ALL.

IT'S LAND USE, BUT, UH, A SMALL GUY.

I CAN'T, I NEED TO GET ON WITH THIS.

OKAY? I WILL TELL YOU, I HAD BEEN OFFERED BY MY NEIGHBORS TO BUY MY PROPERTY.

AND BACK IN 17 JANUARY, I WAS TOLD THAT THEY COULD PUT THE LOTS TOGETHER AND BUILD SEVEN TOWN HOMES AT ABOUT 1100 FEET.

AGAIN, THE WALKUP KIND, NOT REAL BIG.

SO I THINK WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS VERY REASONABLE AND WOULD BE AN ASSET TO THE, TO THE, TO THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, UM, WOULD FIT IN MORE WITH WHAT IS BEING BUILT THERE.

WHAT WAS BUILT ON, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOJO BUILT BEFORE WAS, WHAT WAS THAT MYRTLE BACK THERE.

I'M NOT SURE PAST MYRTLE, WHAT'S BEING BUILT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND, UH, WHAT WILL BE BUILT AS MY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SELLING THEIR HOUSES HERE.

UM, UH, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE TOWN HOMES THERE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET BIG SINGLE FAMILIES AS, AS, AS IS NEXT TO ME THERE.

SO, UH, ANYWAY, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE IT FOR ME.

ASKED HER IF I MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE THE APPLICATION.

IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.

JONATHAN CARD.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS JONATHAN CARD, AND I AM THE IMMEDIATE RESIDENT, OR EXCUSE ME, NEIGHBOR AT 7 64 EAST LOCUST.

UM, I, WHEN I WAS, UH, WHEN I SAW THE ZONING SIGN CAME UP, I, UH, APPROACHED MS. FRANCO AND

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AND SHE DID SHARE, UH, WITH ME.

PIECES OF IT DIDN'T COME IN UNTIL TODAY AND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S BECAUSE PIECES OF IT DIDN'T ARRIVE IN HER INBOX UNTIL, UH, MAYBE EARLIER THIS WEEK.

BUT, UM, I WILL ADMIT THAT I PROBABLY DO NOT HAVE A FULL COPY OF THE APPLICATION, BUT I'M FAMILIAR WITH, UH, I LOOKED AT REZONING, MY PROPERTY AND MY PROPERTY HAS THE SAME REQUIREMENTS, HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IMPOSED OVER, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY BEING A 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION AND A TWO AND A HALF STORY LIMITATION.

UM, THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THAT, BUT IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR TO ME WHEN I DESIGNED MY HOME THAT IT HAD TO MEET BOTH OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

AND IT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT'S USED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

AND SO I, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SIX OR EIGHT, UH, IN, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU A LETTER THAT I'VE SENT TO HER.

I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SIX OR EIGHT INCOMPLETE OR INCONSISTENT, UH, INACCURATE, UH, THINGS THAT ARE, UH, WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, UM, IN THE APPLICATION.

UM, AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE.

BUT THE PRIMARY ONE THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT ON THE APPLICATION, UM, IT'S SIGNED BY THE APPLICANT THAT EVERYTHING THAT HE'S SUBMITTING, UH, MEETS ALL OF THE CODES.

AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE CALCULATION THAT SHOWS THERE'S NOT AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT A HALF STORY IS, AS WELL AS IT CALLS OUT A FULL THIRD FLOOR, WHICH IS NOT THE RIGHT RIGHT DEFINITION.

IT SHOULD BE A HALF FLOOR.

IT SHOULD BE THE HALF FLOOR OF THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S ABOVE THE HALF FLOOR.

THAT'S ABOVE THE SECOND FLOOR.

IT'S NOT A THIRD FLOOR.

AND THEN IT DOES SHOW A ROOF DECK AT 3,800 SQUARE FEET.

AND REGARDLESS OF THE APPLICANT, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING NOW, UM, THAT'S NOT THE LANGUAGE THAT'S USED THE APPLICATION.

IT DOES NOT SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS, BUT IT IT DOES.

AND THERE ARE OTHER INCONSISTENCIES.

BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, DID YOU HAPPEN TO GET, TO RECEIVE THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I SENT JUST AT THE LAST MINUTE? I JUST TOOK THIS PHOTOGRAPH.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WAY, UM, STREETS ARE DESIGNED AND WHAT, HOW, UH, NEW STREETS ARE DESIGNED.

THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT COLLECTORS, ARTERIALS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, THE LEASE, THE LEASE STREETS, AND THE LEASE STREETS ARE, UH, UM, A AND B STREETS.

AND, UM, THIS STREET HAS A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, WHICH WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A LEVEL 37 B STREET.

UM, THIS STREET IS OVER A THOUSAND FEET LONG FROM, FROM, UH, UH, UH, THE BLOCK IS OVER A THOUSAND FEET LONG.

IT'S NOT SAFE.

THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT PEOPLE ALREADY REGULARLY PARK WITHIN.

AND SO INCREASED DENSITY BRINGS MORE PARKING, MORE PARKING, BRINGS MORE POSSIBILITY THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO OBEY.

THIS STREET IS SIGNED FOR PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT THEY PARK LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE SAFE TO ADD MORE PEOPLE TO THE STREET.

THE STREET CAN'T SUPPORT THE DENSITY OR THE INCREASED PARKING AND APPLICANT'S, UH, APPLICATION DOES NOT DELINEATE HOW HE'S GONNA PARK THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S ALL THAT SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.

UM, WITH THE APPLICANT, THE TIME FOR REBUTTAL, MY DESIGNER, WHO IS NOT AN ARCHITECT, AND IT'S NOT UP ON ALL SOME OF THE FINER POINTS THAT JONATHAN IS, UM, COULDN'T BE HERE.

HE DID MAKE A MISTAKE AND I DIDN'T REALIZE IT, YOU KNOW, BY SHOWING THE ROOF, I DON'T, I'M STILL NOT SURE WHAT A ROOF DECK IS.

I MEAN, BASICALLY IT'S THE CEILING ON THE, ON THE, YOU KNOW, ABOVE THE SECOND SET OF CONDOS.

AND THEN THERE OBVIOUSLY IS A, A SMALL WALL SO PEOPLE DON'T GET UP THERE AND FALL OFF.

AND PLUS YOU'LL HAVE YOUR, YOUR AC UNITS THERE KIND OF HIDDEN BY THAT.

UH, AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, I, AGAIN, BEING, UH, UH, NOVICES SOMEWHAT, UH, WE HAD PLANS WITH THE FIRST FLOOR WITH ALL THE PARKING IN THERE.

THIS IS WHAT WE SHOWED TOBIN HILL, THIS IS WHAT WE SHOWED EVERY BAILS, APPARENTLY THE LAND USE, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SEE THESE DOCUMENTS ON THERE.

SO THEY, AGAIN, MAYBE WE DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT.

ON THE, ON, ON THE, ON THE PLAN, THERE'LL BE A DRIVEWAY.

I'VE TALKED TO TRAFFIC ABOUT HOW WIDE IT WOULD BE.

WE CAN MAKE THAT IMPERVIOUS, UH, UH, PAVERS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

THEY SAID, EVEN IF IT'S SHOWN COMMERCIALLY, IT'S BASICALLY A FOUR UNIT.

SO IT'S LIKE RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE'LL HAVE AN ADEQUATE EGRESS AND, AND, AND OUT, YOU KNOW, WAY OUT, UH, TWO UNITS PER SPACE.

IF YOU'RE GONNA BUY A FIVE OR $600,000, UH, CONDO, YOU PROBABLY GOT TWO CARS.

OKAY? SO, SO ANYWAY, WE, WE ARE GONNA PUT THE TWO CARS IN.

I HAVE THE PLANS, UH, PARKING WOULD BE THERE.

AND THEN IN FRONT WE ARE LEAVING 20 FEET.

YOU KNOW, I D Z TWO ALLOWS, IF ZONING ALLOWS, IT ALLOWS YOU TO GO CLEAR OUT THE FRONT SETBACK.

WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING 20 FEET THERE.

AND, AND IN THAT

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UH, IF THERE'S A DELIVERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S FAIRLY QUICK.

THE THE GOAL IS THAT THEY CAN PULL IN THE DRIVE AND, AND PULL IN IN THAT 20 FEET BY 40 FEET.

WELL, 20 BY 20 OR MORE TO HAVE ONE OR TWO TEMPORARY PARKING SPOTS AS WELL.

THAT'S FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE THERE.

BUT INSIDE THEY, THEY WILL BE INSIDE.

OKAY? NOW, RIGHT NOW HE SHOWED, OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE THE WORKERS AT SOJO FILLING THE STREET UP.

I RENTED THAT HOUSE FROM 2006 ON.

I CAN TELL YOU, UH, THERE WAS PARKING ON ONE SIDE AND YOU VIRTUALLY NEVER SAW PARKING ON THE, UH, COMING SOUTH, UH, TOWARD EUCLID THERE AT THAT TIME.

RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S JUST TEMPORARY BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE.

I DO AGREE WITH HIM.

IT'D BE GREAT IF THEY HAD WIDENED THE STREET OR SO, OR MAKE IT ONE WAY THAT WOULD BE, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A TRAFFIC THING WITH THE CITY.

UM, AND MS UH, FRANCO TOLD ME ABOUT BEING CLOSE TO THE RESIDENCES.

UM, THEREFORE, I D Z CAN ONLY BE, I, I READ ALL THAT THE OTHER DAY.

PERHAPS I MISREAD IT.

I I THOUGHT I READ THAT.

IS IT HA HAS TO BE TWO AND A HALF STORIES OR WITHIN THE 35 FEET? WHY WOULD IT BE ANY, WHY, WHY WOULD IT BE ANY SHORTER WHEN, WHEN I COULD BUILD A HOUSE THERE TO LIVE IN AND IT COULD BE 35 FEET? WHY CAN'T I BUILD WHAT I NEED TO BUILD TO MAKE THIS ECONOMICALLY VIABLE WITHIN 35 FEET AND HAVE TO MESS WITH IT BEING, UM, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO AND A HALF STORIES OR SOMETHING? I NEED FOUR UNITS OUT OF THAT.

AND, UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, THAT, UM, WELL, I, I, I DON'T KNOW.

LIKE I SAID, I, UM, I THOUGHT I'M GIVING THE CITY WHAT, WHAT THEY WANTED LAST YEAR.

THEY SAID, WE'LL APPROVE FOUR UNITS.

THAT'S IT.

MY ARCHITECT, I DON'T KNOW WHY HE DID THIS.

HE ASKED FOR LIKE SIX OR SEVEN OR EIGHT.

YOU KNOW, IT BECAME VERY OBVIOUS THAT, UH, THAT YOU COULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY OF THE PARKING AND SO FORTH THERE.

SO TOBIN HILL LIKES IT.

UH, DISTRICT ONE LIKES IT.

UH, JONATHAN CARD, WHO HAS AN UNUSUAL HOUSE THAT'S THE ONLY ONE ON THE STREET THAT HAS EVEN HAS TROUBLE GETTING APPRAISALS ON BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT THERE.

HE, HIS PROPERTY VERY, ALTHOUGH VERY NICE, IS AN OUTLIER PROPERTY.

MY BUILDING WILL BE MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT IS BEING BUILT THERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.

SO THAT, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

AND I CAN CORRECT, WE CAN CORRECT THE, THIS ROOF DECK THING, THIS MISUNDERSTANDING.

YES, THANK YOU.

UM, SO JUST SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON THIS.

THE HEIGHT THAT HE IS LIMITED TO IS 35 FEET BECAUSE HE'S NEXT DOOR TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

BECAUSE HE IS WITHIN 50 FEET OF A SINGLE FAMILY USE OR ZONE.

UM, THE, THE HEIGHT IS LIMITED TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES OR 35 FEET.

SO HE CAN COM HE CAN HAVE A ONE STORY BUILDING TO 35 FEET.

HE CAN HAVE A TWO STORY BUILDING TO 35 FEET, BUT HE CAN'T HAVE A THREE STORY BUILDING TO 35 FEET.

IT'S ONLY A MAX OF TWO AND A HALF STORIES SIMILAR TO THE RESIDENTIAL TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS THAT HAVE THE SAME HEIGHT LIMITATION.

OKAY, THANKS.

AND SO, BECAUSE HE'S CALLING THEM THREE FLOORS, IS THAT COMPLIANCE, IS THAT SITE PLAN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, RESTRICTIONS? IF THE STORIES MEET OUR DEFINITION OF A STORY, HE CANNOT HAVE THREE STORIES.

IT'S LIMITED TO TWO AND A HALF.

THE HALF IS THE DORMER WINDOW EFFECT.

THAT'S WHAT A HALF STORY LOOKS LIKE.

OR IT'S HALF THE, UH, FOOTPRINT OF THE FOOT FIRST FLOOR IF IT'S A FLAT ROOF.

UM, SO AGAIN, HE CAN, IF IT'S THREE FULL STORIES IN HIS SET OF PLANS THAT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A FULL STORY, HE CANNOT HAVE THREE FULL STORIES AND MEET 35 FEET.

IT'S TWO AND A HALF STORIES, 35 FEET.

AND THEN THE, THE NEXT STEP IS TO, TO GET THE THREE STORIES AFTER, IF ZONING IS APPROVED, HE HAS TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO GET A VARIANCE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE THREE STORIES.

SHOWS A PLACEMENT OF THOSE USES, UH, DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED.

SO DOES HIS, DOES THE SITE PLAN THAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN SUBMITTED, DOES IT COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS? NOT WITH I D Z TWO? NO.

WHICH IS WHY WE STATE, WE STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THERE'S STILL MORE TO THIS PROJECT.

JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT

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THERE STILL IS ONE MORE STEP FOR THE VARIANCE PROCESS.

FOR THE VARIANCE PROCESS.

BUT IF, IF WE APPROVE THE ZONING TODAY WITH THE SITE PLAN THAT HE CURRENTLY HAS, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN IS A PART OF THE ZONING, IS THAT IN COMPLIANCE, THE SITE PLAN? NO, HE STILL HAS TO GET A VARIANCE JUST BECAUSE COUNCIL APPROVES THE SITE PLAN.

JUST 'CAUSE ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS IT.

CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE SITE PLAN.

YOU STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL CODES AND THE CODE REQUIRES THAT YOU ARE LIMITED TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES, 35 FEET OR YOU GET A VARIANCE.

SO IF HE DOESN'T GET A VARIANCE, THEN HE WOULD BE LIMITED TO WHATEVER THE CODE SAYS.

AND THINKING THROUGH ALTERNATIVES IS, WOULD THIS PROPERTY BE A CANDIDATE? AND I, OBVIOUSLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD MEAN GOING BACK AND, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE PROCESS AGAIN.

BUT IT, COULD IT BE A CANDIDATE FOR AN RMM SIX REZONING? WOULD THAT BE, 'CAUSE I KNOW HE WANTS TO HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS.

RMM SIX ONLY ALLOWS TWO UNITS IN TOTAL.

IF IT MEETS A 6,000 SQUARE FEET, HE WANTS FOUR.

SO, UM, AN ARM FOUR, HE WOULD HAVE A THREE STORY LIMITATION.

UM, THAT IS AN OPTION, BUT CHANGING IT AT THIS POINT WOULD REQUIRE IT TO BE RENO AS WELL.

AND REMEMBER, ARM FOUR IN THE TRADITIONAL RMM DISTRICTS DON'T RELAX THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY THE 50% OR THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TOO.

AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT THE SETBACK WOULD BE AN ISSUE, BUT IT DOES SOUND LIKE HE'S PLANNING TO HAVE PARKING.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF MAYBE SOME OF THE HEIGHT ISSUE.

IF, I'M SORRY, UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO GO TO THE MIC IF THE CHAIR WANTS YOU TO.

OH, COMMISSIONER GREY HOUSE, WERE YOU READY TO ADDRESS THE APPLICANT? PLEASE? GO AHEAD.

YES, YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MIC.

NO, I NEED THOSE, I NEED THE FULL USE OF THE LOT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED, ADVISED BY MR. CARD WHEN WE TALKED A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO, TO, AND, AND ALSO JOHN AL OLSSON, I BELIEVE IT IS, UH, TO GET MAXIMUM USE OF, OF THE LOT IT RIGHT.

HIS WOULD, HIS PUNCH SHOWS A FIVE FOOT SIDE AND REAR SETBACK, WHICH ID Z TWO WOULD ALLOW.

ARM FOUR WOULD NOT.

AND I, AND I HAVE A QUESTION AS WHY YOU GUYS LET SOJO BUILD ALL OF THEIRS WHEN IT, IT, IT'S ALSO ADJACENT TO, TO A, UH, A, A HOUSE.

WELL, WE'LL LIMIT TO WHAT THE, UM, COMMISSIONER HAS ASKED YOU AT THIS POINT.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER NICKS? WELL, JUST AS A COMMENT, 'CAUSE I WAS CONCERNED WITH THE PICTURES SHOWING THE PARKING ON THE STREET, AND I'M SURE, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S PARKING THERE, BUT I DID NOTICE THAT THERE ARE NO PARKING RESTRICTION RESTRICTIONS ALONG THE, THE WHOLE STRETCH OF THE STREET.

IT LOOKED LIKE WE MAY HAVE A, AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE PERHAPS WITH PARKING OR MAYBE IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

BUT, UH, YEAH, THERE IS RESTRICTIONS ALREADY FOR, FOR NO PARKING ON THE STREET.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSION QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YEAH, I MISSED SOMETHING TO STAFF.

I'M LOOKING AT THE GROUND PLAN COMPARISON FORM.

WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE THIS PROPERTY IS LIMITED TO 12 FEET? OH, 'CAUSE THAT'S, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.

IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING HEIGHT FOR THE ADDRESS P ON THE GROUND PLAN, COMPARISON FORM, IT'S JUST THE SAME AS ITS NEIGHBOR, THE LITTLE HOUSE NEXT TO IT.

I THINK THAT HE'S INDICATING THAT THE CURRENT USE ON THAT PROPERTY IS 12 FEET, NINE INCHES.

I THOUGHT THE WHOLE POINT OF THE GROUND PLAN, COMPARISON FORM WAS TO LET US COMPARE WHAT'S PLANNED TO BE BUILT.

CONTEXT, THE TWO TOGETHER.

IT'S SO THAT 12 NINE IS NOT ACCURATE, BUT THE REST OF THE HEIGHTS, UM, SHOULD BE ACCURATE AS CLOSE TO, I MEAN, 'CAUSE REMEMBER WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO GO OUT ONTO THE PROPERTY AND SCIENTIFICALLY MEASURED THEM.

IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A, A GENERAL WAY OF, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE HEIGHTS ARE IN THAT, ON THAT BLOCK FACE.

BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY IT WAS ACCEPTED THIS WAY.

'CAUSE IT'S WRONG.

I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE THE WHOLE POINT IS TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE BUILT THERE AND HOW IT COMPARES TO WHAT'S THERE.

AND ALL WE'RE GETTING IS THE HEIGHT FOR WHAT'S THERE, BUT HE IS SHOWING IT ON HIS SITE PLAN, WHAT HIS HEIGHT IS.

SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT INTO

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I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE A GROUND PLAN, COMPARISON FORM IF IT'S WRONG.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER SIPES, THIS IS AN A THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

AND WALK ME THROUGH AGAIN, THE PARKING.

I REALIZE WE'RE NOT HERE TO JUDGE DESIGN, HOWEVER, IT APPEARS THAT IT SAYS THAT THE FIRST FLOOR IS A PARKING GARAGE.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE IS NO ENTRY DOORS OR SOMETHING THAT ACCESSES THE STREET? THAT IT'S LIKE YOU GO INTO A PARKING GARAGE AND THEN YOU GO TO YOUR RESIDENCE FROM INSIDE THERE? THERE'S I THERE, THERE, THERE WOULD BE, UM, THINK ON THE SITE PLAN.

IT SHOWS A REAR AND SIDE INGRA, UH, YOU KNOW, ENTRY, UH, OBVIOUSLY IN THE FRONT THERE WOULD BE THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY, UH, UH, UH, TO GET IN.

AND THEN, UH, SO YOU HAVE ONE, AND THEN RIGHT BESIDE THE DRIVEWAY THERE'S A SIDE ENTRANCE AND THEN THERE'S ONE IN THE BACK.

AND, AND WE'LL PROBABLY ADD ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL.

IF YOU HAVE ELEVATIONS, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD CAMERA.

THESE ARE BIG.

I'M OVER 60, SO POWERPOINT AND ALL THAT STUFF IS NOT SOMETHING I KNOW HOW TO DO.

THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO, SO LOCUS WOULD BE ON THE LEFT.

AND WE WOULD JUST WANT, IT'D BE IN THE MIDDLE AND WE WOULD IDEALLY WANT A, A LITTLE COVER FOR THAT ELEVATOR.

, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TWO SPACES WITH SOME STORAGE ABOVE AND, AND SO FORTH.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR INTERNAL GALLERY THERE FOR THE ELEVATOR AND THE, UH, YEAH, THAT WAS DRAWN BEFORE THE SITE PLAN.

SO IT MAY NOT SHOW ALL THE, THERE'S A REAR DOOR, BUT THE, THE SITE PLAN THEN ADDED ONE MORE CLOSE TO THE, TO THE DRIVE THERE.

YEAH, I WAS, I WAS AFRAID THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GONNA SHOW ME.

UM, AND THAT KIND OF IS WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT THERE, AND I KNOW THIS IS ZONING, THIS ISN'T H D R C OR ANYBODY ELSE LIKE THAT, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE'S NO, FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A FRONT PORCH, THERE'S NO ACTIVATION OF THE PUBLIC, OF THE PUBLIC SPACE, THE PUBLIC STREET.

THERE'S, THERE'S NOT THE, THE, THE, YOU, YOU MENTIONED SOJO A LOT.

YOU LOOK AT SOJO, YOU CAN, YOU HAVE A FRONT DOOR THAT'S ON THE STREET.

YOU HAVE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE STREET, THE APARTMENTS BUILDING BEING BUILT ACROSS THE STREET.

YOU HAVE A FRONT DOOR, YOU HAVE WINDOWS ON THE STREET LEVEL.

AND I DON'T FEEL A PARKING GARAGE IS APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, A STREET LEVEL THE WAY, THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND SO WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT TELLS ME, WELL, PERHAPS FOUR UNITS IS TOO MUCH.

AND SO THAT I'M JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH HOW I'M KIND OF ARRIVING AT MY, AT MY DECISION MAKING.

BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME THE SITE CLAIM.

COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

AND, AND THIS IS JUST MORE ABOUT WITH WHAT STAFF SAID AT THIS POINT IN TIME TODAY, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE YOUR ZONING OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF YOUR ZONING AND COUNSEL WERE TO APPROVE YOUR ZONING, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO FOR A VARIANCE TO GET THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT HEIGHT.

WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS IF YOU DON'T GET THAT VARIANCE? I CAN'T BUILD THE FOUR UNITS.

I'M NOT SURE, BUT I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO BE GOING ON LOSING $2,200 A MONTH, YOU KNOW, FOR TWO YEARS ON THAT.

I PROBABLY, UH, HAD PEOPLE OFFERED A PARTNER WITH ME, BUT THAT WAS ON THE THREE STORY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, 3,500 FEET THAT THEY BUILT ELSEWHERE ON THERE.

UM, AND BY THE WAY, WHEN YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, IT WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE THAT.

WHAT HE TRIED TO DO THERE WAS JUST THAT ELEVATOR WOULD GO UP TO THE ROOF

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WE COULDN'T GET IT THERE.

SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE ANY, ANY COVER, UH, ABOVE, ABOVE THE ROOF.

THAT WAS DRAWN QUITE A, QUITE A WHILE AGO.

BUT THAT WAS JUST THE DESIGNER'S IMAGE THERE, LIKE OF THE FIRST FLOOR TO SHOW IT'D BE SOMEWHAT ATTRACTIVE.

AND WE CAN ALWAYS OBVIOUSLY PUT SOME KIND OF WINDOWS, WHETHER THEY'RE FAKE OR, OR WHATEVER.

AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, IN, INTO THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT FRONT AREA THERE.

I JUST WANNA, BUT I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING LAND USE AND YOU SEEM TO BE TALKING DESIGN.

YOU SEEM TO BE STEPPING OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE PURVIEW HERE.

NO MORE QUESTIONS.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.

SO FOR ITEM NUMBER 15, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ZONING.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

UM, DISCUSSION.

ANY COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, GREATHOUSE.

I'M, I'M GONNA VOTE AGAINST THE MOTION.

I'M, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UH, AREA.

MY KIDS ATTENDED HAWTHORNE UNTIL A YEAR AGO WHEN THEY AGED OUT.

UM, SO I'VE DRIVEN AROUND HERE A LOT AND I, I REALIZE THAT VARIANCES WILL, WILL NEED TO, UM, TO HAPPEN.

HOWEVER, WITH THE EXTENT OF VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUIRED, IT JUST LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT IS TOO INTENSE.

AND SO I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION.

I COME BACK TO COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.

SORRY.

UM, SO THE REASON THAT I'M RECOMMENDING APPROVING THIS IS BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY, THE FOOTPRINT IS NOT MUCH LARGER THAN, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING IT.

UM, ACROSS THE STREET WE HAVE THE TOWN HOMES, OBVIOUSLY THE, SO JO'S BUILDING, UM, NEXT DOOR WE HAVE A, A HOUSE THAT HAS A LARGER FOOTPRINT.

UM, IF YOU KEEP THAT GENERAL AREA, THAT THAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING THERE.

UM, THE INCREMENTAL DENSIFICATION OF OUR CITY IS, IS A FACT.

UH, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

AND FRANKLY, UM, AREAS LIKE THIS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY, UH, INDUSTRIAL, UM, AND KIND OF HAVING A RESURGENCE AND BRINGING PEOPLE BACK TO THE CENTER OF THE CITY, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S IN, IN LINE WITH, WITH, UH, WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE FOOTPRINT HERE IS GONNA BE, UM, TOO LARGE OR TOO INTENSE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR UNITS.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE MUCH TALLER THAN THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT OR THE TOWN HOMES ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO COMMISSIONER ZAMAR, RIGHT THEN.

I'LL GO BACK TO THE LEFT.

UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, I, I ALSO WON'T SUPPORT IT.

I'M LOOKING AT THE SMALLER HOUSE NEXT TO IT AND WHAT'S, I KNOW WE'RE HAVING INCREMENTAL DENSIFICATION IN OUR CITY, BUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S PRETTY DEAR TO ME TOO.

UH, 'CAUSE I HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVED HERE A LONG TIME AND LOSING ALL THESE HOMES.

I THINK WE NEED TO THINK TWICE ABOUT THIS ONE.

UM, I THINK THE LAND USE IS TOO DENSE FOR THIS AREA.

DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS ALREADY BEEN BUILT.

UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.

COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.

UH, I, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE DID A GOOD JOB OF THE REASON TO, UH, SUPPORT THEIR, AND WHY I SUPPORT THEIR APPROVAL AS WELL.

I, I MEAN, I LOOK AT IT AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GOING IN A WHOLE NEW DIRECTION.

AND EVEN IF YOU GO DOWN THE STREET, IT'S LOOKS VERY VIBRANT, VERY YOUNG, VERY ALIVE.

UM, IT'S VERY INTERESTING TECH ARCHITECTURAL ALL THE WAY AROUND.

UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.

I CAN'T, I DON'T THINK HE IS BUILDING MUCH

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BUILT.

HE'S NOT DOING, HE'S NOT THE FIRST ONE ON THE BLOCK TO DO THIS.

SO I, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING IN THAT DIRECTION AND, AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

I THINK HE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER GRAU, YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF, OF LAYING THAT OUT FOR US AND APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FOR MANY COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

UM, WE ARE READY FOR A ROLL CALL.

VOTE.

COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO.

COMMISSIONER SIPES? NO.

COMMISSIONER ROMERO? NO.

COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.

WELL, UM, UH, THANK YOU TO MY COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR, UH, TIME SERVED TODAY.

[16. 19-6048 Consideration and Approval of the August 6, 2019 Zoning Commission Minutes]

WE ARE ON TO, UH, THE PORTION FOR THE MINUTES.

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS FOR THE, UH, I BELIEVE THE AUGUST 6TH, UH, MEETING MINUTES.

NO CORRECTIONS, UM, BEING STATED.

UM, UH, WE WILL APPROVE THE, UH, MINUTES.

[Director's Report: Status of Zoning Commission Appointments and Reappointments]

UM, IS THERE AN EXECUTIVE, UH, DIRECTOR'S REPORT? YES.

JUST, UM, TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON ZONING, COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, WELCOME UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE TODAY.

SHE'S A NEW APPOINTEE.

UM, SO FAR WE HAVE HAD THREE, UH, REAPPOINTMENTS FOR DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT FOUR AND DISTRICT EIGHT.

THE REST ARE TRICKLING IN, BUT IF YOU WANT TO REMIND YOUR COUNCIL OFFICE, IF YOU WANT IT TO BE REAPPOINTED, JUST REMIND THEM TO GET, GET THAT INTO THE, THE QUEUE SO IT CAN BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

UM, I LIKE TO SAY, UM, THAT, THAT I COULD READ FROM THE DOCUMENT CAMERA, BUT, UH, , SO THE DOCUMENT CAMERA HASN'T BEEN REPLACED YET.

IT'S STILL ON ORDER.