* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO [00:00:01] ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR, UM, AUGUST 21ST, 2019. MAY I HAVE A ROLL [Roll Call] CALL, PLEASE? FERNANDEZ HERE, FISH HERE. HARRIS GARZA. MARTINEZ FLORES. HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. GROUPE. HERE. BOWMAN. HERE. FETZER HERE. LFO HERE. THE DESIGN [Chairman’s Statement] REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN OF THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION WILL BE GUIDED BY THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARD FOR REHABILITATION. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ANY ADDITIONAL DESIGN GUIDELINES ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED OTHER THAN CASE REPRESENTATIVE. SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO AN AGENDA ITEM WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES SPEAKING TIME PER SPEAKER. CITIZENS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP FOR A MAXIMUM TIME OF NINE MINUTES. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME A SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP. APPLICANTS WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE READY WITHIN 10 DAYS AND WILL BE MAILED AND AVAILABLE TO BE PICKED UP IN PERSON AT THE HISTORIC COUNTER LOCATED ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITH WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, WE DO HAVE A [Announcements] FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS. UM, SEPTEMBER IS UPON US, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE SEVERAL EVENTS COMING UP. THE FIRST IS THE LIVING HERITAGE SYMPOSIUM, UM, TAKING PLACE SEPTEMBER 4TH THROUGH SIXTH. UM, IT'S OUR THIRD ANNUAL SYMPOSIUM AND WE BRING IN HERITAGE EXPERTS FROM ACROSS THE WORLD TO SPEAK AND PRESENT, UM, AND ENGAGE WITH, UM, LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT HOW WE CAN, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR, OUR UNIQUE CULTURAL, UH, UH, HERITAGE IN SAN ANTONIO AND AS WELL AS INCORPORATING INTANGIBLE HERITAGE INTO DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS AND WHAT YOU ALL SEE. UM, SO YOU SHOULD ALL BE RECEIVING AN INVITATION TO THAT AND WE ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO ATTEND, UM, AS WELL AS OUR REHAB HARAM EVENT ON SEPTEMBER 7TH. SO THAT'S THE FOLLOWING SATURDAY. UM, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS RAIN DELAYED TWICE EARLIER IN THE YEAR, SO WE ARE NOW HAVING IT AS SEPTEMBER. UM, WE ARE NOW, UM, ACCEPTING VOLUNTEER GROUP REGISTRATION ONLINE@SAPRESERVATION.COM. UM, AND SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, PARTICIPATION IN THAT EVENT. UM, AND THEN THE BIG ONE, THE HISTORIC HOMEOWNER FAIR. UM, THIS SAT OR ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST AT THE PEARL. UM, THIS IS OUR 11TH ANNUAL HISTORIC HOMEOWNER AFFAIR. IT'S GROWN EVERY YEAR. UM, WE HAVE MORE THAN 1500 PEOPLE ATTEND, UM, AROUND 50 EXHIBITORS, AND IT'S ALL ABOUT SOLUTIONS AND PRODUCTS AND SERVICES FOR YOUR, YOUR OLDER HOME. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT TO ATTEND. IF YOU HAVE AN OLD HOUSE, UH, THE FAIR IS FOR YOU. UM, WE HAVE EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DAY HOSTED BY STAFF AS WELL AS UM, LOCAL EXPERTS AS WELL. UM, SO ALL OF THAT, UM, IS AVAILABLE ON SA PRESERVATION.COM. UM, WE [Citizens to be Heard] DO HAVE A SYSTEM TO BE HEARD ON GENERAL ITEMS TODAY THAT I'LL CALL UP NOW. VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE. GOOD EVENING. UH, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE 9 1 1 8 FAIRLAND, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. AND I'M READING THIS FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY CONCURS WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF TWO 15 LOWELL STREET. WE COMMEND THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR INITIATING THE DESIGNATION OF THIS 1908 FOLK VICTORIAN HOUSE. THE STRUCTURE STILL EXHIBITS MANY OF THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES THAT MAKE IT AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT PRESENT IN THE SAINT CECILIA NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY. PATTY ZZZ, PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. AND ONE MORE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. WE DO HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING AND THERE'S A QUICK VIDEO. [00:05:23] THANK YOU. AND IF YOU'LL, UM, KEEP LOOKING AT THE SCREEN. UM, WE CAN ['A' CONSENT AGENDA] NOW MOVE TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA FOR A ITEMS. ITEMS A ONE THROUGH A THREE ARE ON CONSENT, UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD FOR THOSE ITEMS. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A ONE, A TWO AND A THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. I'LL OPPOSED SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES, YOUR HONOR, THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 6 23 HEMISPHERE BOULEVARD, 2 33 HOUSTON AND THE DOWNTOWN C P S ENERGY STREETLIGHTS. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE, YARD SIGN PLACED ON THE PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H B COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND NEXT WE'RE GONNA DO THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. UM, SO ON THE SCREEN YOU SEE ITEM A SIX H C C K 20 19, 4 5 4. UM, THE ADDRESS IS 2 2 1 4 SOUTHEAST MILITARY. UM, THAT WAS LISTED ON AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, BUT SINCE THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS AND SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT ITEM BE HEARD NEXT. SO EDWARD, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THAT INTO THE RECORD. READ OUR RECOMMENDATION AND WE'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP. SO [A-6 19-6229 Address/Description: 2214 SE MILITARY DR HDRC Case No.: 2019-454 RIO District: RIO-6 Applicant: Kaliki Mendoza/Comet Signs Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 3] AGAIN, THIS IS ITEM SIX H 2214. SOUTHEAST MILITARY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR IS SUBMITTED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE. THE FUEL CANOPY SIGNAGE REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ENTIRE CANOPY SIGNAGE BE NOT BE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED AND THAT ONLY THE WORD MARK SHOULD BE ILLUMINATED. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE UPDATED THE DESIGN DOCUMENTS THAT MEET WITH STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED. AND IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS CASE? YES SIR. YOU CAN APPROACH THE PODIUM. GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME'S KLIK MENDOZA WITH COMET SIGNS REPRESENTING BOLERO, UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS. YES, SIR. UM, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSE, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA [A-4 19-6209 Address/Description: 110 LEXINGTON HDRC Case No.: 2019-450 RIO District: RIO-2 Applicant: Ian McClure/Phoenix Hospitality Group Request: Exterior modifications, rehabilitation, partial demolition City Council Dist.: 1] ITEM A FIVE H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 51 10 LEXINGTON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, PERFORM EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF STUCCO PILE, AERS AND BANDING IN THE IN ENTITY IN THEIR ENTIRETY ON THE WEST FACADE, AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL GLAZING SYSTEM TO REMOVE THE EXISTING STOREFRONT PANELS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER ON THE FIRST FLOOR TO CREATE AN ENTRY FOR FUTURE RETAIL SPACE AND INSTALL A NEW STOREFRONT SYSTEM AND PANELS TO MATCH THE EXISTING END PROFILE AND FINISH. THREE. REMOVE THE EXISTING STONE VENEER THROUGHOUT THE FIRST FLOOR FACADE AND REPLACE WITH A FINE TEXTURED STUCCO TO MATCH THE EXISTING PAINT. FOUR. REPLACE THE EXISTING SLIDING ENTRY DOOR WITH A NEW STOREFRONT SYSTEM TO MATCH THE EXISTING END PROFILE AND FINISH. FIVE. REMOVE THE EXISTING PLASTER FINISH AND LIGHTING AT THE SOFFIT. THE PORTICO SHARE AND REPLACE WITH WOOD WITH THE WOOD-LIKE METAL PANEL SOFFIT WITH INTEGRATED L E D LIGHTING SIX. REMOVE THE EXISTING METAL GUARDRAIL AT THE EXTERIOR PATIO AND REPLACE WITH THE GLASS GUARDRAIL. SEVEN. REMOVE THE EXISTING NON HISTORIC STOREFRONT SYSTEM AT THE SOUTH PATIO ON THE FIRST AND SECOND LEVELS AND REPLACED WITH THE STOREFRONT SYSTEM TO MATCH THE HISTORIC STOREFRONT SYSTEM'S PROFILE. EIGHT. INSTALL AN AL NANO WALL SYSTEM AT THE PORTION OF TO THE PORTION OF THE DEMOLISHED STOREFRONT SYSTEM AT THE SOUTH PATIO. NON REMOVE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL STAIR CONNECTING LEVELS ONE AND TWO. INFILL THE FLOOR ON LEVEL TWO AND ADD A STOREFRONT SYSTEM TO MATCH THE PROFILE OF THE EXISTING 10. REMOVE PAINT FROM THE EXISTING METAL PANELS AND MILLIONS [00:10:01] AND RESTORE THE EXTERIOR GLAZING SYSTEM ON THE NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST FACADES. WERE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 11. REMOVE THE EXISTING METAL GUARDRAILS THAT FEATURE BAMBOO SKIRTING AT THE NINTH FLOOR PATIO AND REPLACED WITH GLASS RAILING. 12 REPLA REPAINT THE PATIO DEMISING WALLS AND CEILING SOFFITS AT THE PATIO ON THE EAST FACADE. THE TOWER TO COORDINATE WITH THE EXISTING METAL PANEL COLORS AND EXISTING PAINT. 13 REMOVED THE EXISTING END SWINGING STOREFRONT DOORS AND REPLACE WITHOUT SWINGING STOREFRONT DOORS TO MATCH THE EXISTING AND 14 DEMOLISH THE EASTERN MOST THREE STORY PORTION OF THE HOTEL. I WILL NOTE BEFORE WE MOVE ON THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN ITEMS THREE, WHICH IS THE REMOVAL OF THE STONE VENEER THROUGHOUT THE FIRST FLOOR FACADE AND ITEMS 14, WHICH IS THE DEMOLITION OF THE EASTERN MOST EASTERNMOST THREE STORY PORTION OF THE HOTEL. I'LL MOVE ON TO THE RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS 1, 2, 4 AND SIX THROUGH 13 BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D, F, H, F, AND H THROUGH O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND DETAILS TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT DETAILED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR ALL STOREFRONT MODIFICATIONS AND GUARDRAIL INSTALLATIONS. UH, I'LL MOVE ON WITH THE REST OF THE RECOMMENDATION. EVEN THOUGH THIS PERTAINS TO ITEMS THAT THE APPLICANT IS WITHDRAWN, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, THE REMOVING OF THE EXISTING STONE VENEER AND INSTALLATION OF FINE TEXTURED STUCCO BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAIN THE EXISTING STONE STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE. THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING SOFFIT WITH THE WOOD SOFFIT BASED ON FINDING G. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE SOFFIT BE REPAIRED IN KIND STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM 14. THE DEMOLITION OF THE EASTERNMOST WING BASED ON FINDING P STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT, OR EXCUSE ME, STAFF, FINDS THAT THE REMOVAL OF AN ORIGINAL PORTION OF A HISTORIC STRUCTURE IS INAPPROPRIATE. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF FINDS THAT THAT SUFFICIENT INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED TO STAFF AT THIS TIME AND THAT THE REQUEST IS INCOMPLETE. ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION SHALL BE REQUIRED IF EXCAVATIONS ARE NECESSARY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION. THE ARCHEOLOGICAL SCOPE OF WORK SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHEOLOGISTS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION. THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY, UM, AND AS THE APPLICANT COMES UP TO THE PODIUM. UM, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I THINK THIS IS, THIS WAS READ AS ITEM A FIVE. WE'RE ON ITEM A FOUR. SO AS THE APPLICANT HERE, YOU CAN COME UP NOW AND THEN WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN, UM, AFTER THE APPLICANT PRESENTS. HELLO, UM, MY NAME IS JENNIFER PIKE REYES. I'M WITH MERRIMAN ANDERSON ARCHITECTS AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. UM, WORD HAS COACHED ME ON THIS AS THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE, . UM, BASICALLY, UH, WE ARE RENOVATING THE HOTEL, RE REHABILITATING THE HOTEL. IT WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS A HOTEL. UM, AND THE FEW MODIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED ARE, UM, ALL TO NON-ORIGINAL, UM, ITEMS EXCEPT FOR THE STONE AND THE DEMOLITION, WHICH WE HAVE OF COURSE REMOVED FROM THE APPLICATION. UM, I HAVE CONTROL OVER THIS, I'M SORRY, . OKAY. THIS IS THE SITE OF THE HOTEL. IT IS AT LEXINGTON AND THE RIVER, THE HOTEL, IT IS A NINE STORY TOWER WITH A TWO WINGS, UM, COMPLETING A DONUT SHAPE, UH, WITH THAT ARE THREE STORIES TALL. UM, THIS IS THE, A CURRENT PHOTO OF THE, UM, BUILDING. I DON'T HAVE A POINTER, BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE ASKING TO BE REMOVED. THE STAIR, SOME OF THE, UM, NON HISTORIC OPENINGS AT THE FIRST FLOOR. AND, UM, THE SECOND FLOOR THAT WE ARE GOING TO REINSTALL, THESE ARE SOME OF THE HISTORIC PHOTOS DURING CONSTRUCTION AND AFTER CONSTRUCTION IN HISTORIC PHOTOS. UM, YOU CAN SEE ON, ON THE LARGEST PHOTO ON THE RIGHT, THE HISTORIC PORT RICOCHET, RIGHT, THE PORT RICOCHET THAT IS IN QUESTION ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. OKAY. CURRENT, UM, HISTORIC PHOTOS OR CURRENT PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PANELS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REMOVING PAINT, UM, [00:15:01] ON THE LOWER LANAI WING. AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE ARE ASKING TO BE REPAINTED. THE YELLOW FINS, UM, IN THE BAMBOO SKIRTING AT THE NINTH FLOOR OF THE TOWER, A SIMILAR PHOTO TO BEFORE YOU CAN SEE THE STAIR THAT IS NON-ORIGINAL AND WHERE THE BUILDING HAD BEEN OPENED UP AT THE SECOND FLOOR AND FIRST FLOOR. WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT BACK. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE PANELS, UH, THAT WE WILL BE REMOVING THE PAINT. UM, ON THE FAR RIGHT PHOTO YOU CAN SEE SOME EVIDENCE OF THE PAINT PEELING OFF AND THE, THE COLOR OF THE ENAMEL PANEL BELOW THERE ARE, UM, PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. YOU CAN SEE THE NEW, UM, ENTRY AT THE FAR RIGHT OF THIS ELEVATION. AND AGAIN, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE INFILL PANELS HERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND AT THE FIRST FLOOR, THE NEW STOREFRONT AS WELL. AT THE TOP OF THE TOWER, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE, UM, NEW GLASS GUARDRAIL. UM, EDWARD INSTRUCTED ME THAT I DIDN'T REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS THE, UM, ITEMS FOR STAFF APPROVAL. I, I GUESS YOU GUYS CAN ASK US QUESTIONS IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, WHEN I'M FINISHED. BUT, UM, SO BASICALLY I'LL SKIP TO THIS SLIDE, WHICH IS ADDRESSING THE PORT RICOCHET. UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP, THESE ARE THE HISTORIC PHOTOS OF THAT AREA. UM, IT HAD LARGE EMBER BEAMS THAT CAME OUT AND, AND INTERSECTED WITH THE EXISTING AND HISTORIC MOSAIC TILE COLUMNS. AND THESE CAME BACK TO ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY INTO THE PORTER. AND THEN IT WAS A FLAT ROOF WITH, UM, WHAT APPEARS TO BE PLASTER AT THE TIME. UM, IT'S HARD TO SAY WE DON'T SEE UNDERNEATH THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORIC DRAWINGS OF THAT. ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION OF THE CHET, IT'S NOT EVEN THE HISTORIC SHAPE ANYMORE. UM, WE WOULD BE MAINTAINING THAT OTHER THAN THE SOFFIT BELOW, WHICH IS DETERIORATED. UM, AND WE ARE ASKING TO REPLACE THAT WITH, UM, THE MATERIAL. YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH AT THE FAR RIGHT BOTTOM. UM, IT'S, IT'S CALLED LONGBOARD. IT IS A WOOD LOOK METAL PANEL, AND WE WOULD INTEGRATE L E D LIGHTS INTO THAT. THERE ARE CURRENTLY LIGHTS UNDERNEATH THE PORT COCHET, BUT WE WOULD REPLACE THOSE WITH L E D. UM, AND I GUESS I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. WELL, FIRST WE HAVE A CITIZEN TO BE HEARD. WE DO. AND THEN WE'LL THEN WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP FOR COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE. MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. AND I'M READING THE STATEMENT FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY CONCURS WITH THE CITY'S OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION FINDINGS REGARDING THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE EL TROPICANA HOTEL. WHILE MANY OF THE DESIGN CHOICES FOR THE BUILDING FOLLOW OR ARE IN HARMONY WITH THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS, ORIGINAL DESIGN TWO DO NOT, THE REPLACEMENT OF ORIGINAL STONE VENE IN THE ENTRANCE AREA WITH STUCCO DIMINISHES THE DESIGN INTEGRITY OF THE HOTEL SINCE THE STONE MIRRORS THE TAMER REALITY OF THE PROJECTING MARQUE ABOVE. SECONDLY, THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF THE EASTERN MOST PORTION OF THE HOTEL IS IN COMPLETE REQUEST BECAUSE NO PLAN OR DESIGN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. THIS SECTION OF THE HOTEL RESPONDS TO THE RIVER THROUGH TATION AND SHOULD BE MAINTAINED IN ITS CURRENT FORMS. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION CITY SOCIETY. PATTY Z'S PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT CAN RETURN. EDWARD, JUST TO CLARIFY, ONCE AGAIN, THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN ARE 14 AND THREE, IS THAT CORRECT? LET ME SWIPE BACK OVER TO THE, THE LIST. UH, YES, 14 AND THREE. THE ONLY ITEM THAT STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE SOFFIT WHERE THE CHANGE IN MATERIAL AS PROPOSED. IN YOUR RESEARCH ON THE PROJECT WERE, WERE THERE ANY HISTORIC PHOTOS THAT OCCURRED UNDERNEATH THE CHERE THAT COULD SUBSTANTIATE WHAT THAT MATERIAL WAS? IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE FROM AFAR. YEAH, RIGHT. YEAH, WE DIDN'T FIND ANY. WE, WE LOOKED, [00:20:01] UM, TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE WAS A HISTORIC PHOTO OF A CELEBRITY ARRIVING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT SHOWED THAT. BUT WHAT THE PHOTO SHOWS IS LIKE, UM, SINGLE BEAMS GOING TO EACH OF THE COLUMN, WHICH IS NOT REALLY REPLICATED IN A WOOD LOOK PANEL TRYING TO JUST GET THE WOOD LOOK. BUT IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT, UM, I MEAN, UM, DOES WATER DAMAGE OR IS THERE YEAH, IT'S JUST NOT BEEN WELL MAINTAINED. KIND OF LIKE THE, UH, EXTERIOR OF THE PANEL. IT'S JUST PEELING AND IT'S, IT'S NOT IN GOOD CONDITION. WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO REPAIR THE PLASTER AND WE WOULD REPLACE THE LIGHTS WITH, UM, BETTER ENERGY EFFICIENT LIGHTS. UH, IF, IF WE WERE NOT ABLE TO, UM, GET THE, GET THE WOOD LOOK AND, AND THE WOOD LOOK GOES MORE WITH YOUR NEW DESIGN OR CAN THIS BE WHITE? UM, WE COULD DO A WHITE PANEL INSTEAD OF, OF THE WOOD LOOK, BUT IT, IT IS TO, UM, WARM UP THE AREA AND, AND BRING IT, YOU KNOW, BRING SOME OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE INSIDE TO THE OUTSIDE IS BASICALLY THE IDEA THERE. SO THE, MY MY COMMENT ON THAT IS IT APPEARS TO BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, REVERSED AS A SOLUTION. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A PROVEN SOFFIT. I MEAN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE IN COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REVERSED. AND YOU KNOW, I, I WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER 14, BUT NUMBER FIVE SEEMS LIKE, IN MY OPINION, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD WORK FOR THIS DESIGN. YEAH, I CONCUR WITH THAT. I THINK MANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS, UH, THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ARE, ARE VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER OF THE, UH, THE HOTEL, KIND OF TAKING AWAY SORT OF THE, THE BRANDING ASPECTS OF IT AND GOING, GOING BACK TO THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL HOTEL. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND UM, I CONCUR THAT, UH, THAT POCA SHARE HAS GONE THROUGH. CLEARLY IT'S GONE THROUGH SOME, UH, MODIFICATIONS AND CHANGES OVER TIME. AND IF IN THE FUTURE SOMEONE WANTED TO RECONSTRUCT THAT BASED UPON MAYBE MORE COMPLETE ARCHIVAL INFORMATION OR, OR UH, UH, PHOTOGRAPHY OR SOMETHING, THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. 'CAUSE IT'S GOT VERY MUCH A STANDALONE ELEMENT. IT WOULD, UH, YOU, UM, OKAY WITH THE STIPULATIONS, WITH ITEM NUMBER, THE OTHER ITEMS, THE TWO STIPULATIONS AND THE ARCHEOLOGY, YES. YOU HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, THE DEMOLITION DRAWINGS SHOW DI PARKING GARAGE, IS THAT PART OF THIS APPLICATION OR WAS THAT HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY? THE DEMOLITION OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS AN ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. IT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, RESTORING THE BUILDING AND BRINGING BACK SOME OF THE, UM, ORIGINAL MATERIALS AND COLORS THAT, UM, MADE IT SUCH A INTERESTING, FUN, UH, HOTEL IN ITS DAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS 1, 2, 4, 6 THROUGH 13 AND FIVE AS SUBMITTED TODAY. STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS CORRECT. SECOND, IF A MOTION IS SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. [A-5 19-6197 Address/Description: 1211 E CommerceHDRC Case No.: 2019-456Applicant: Paul Kahlich/MCS Architects, LLCRequest: Construction of a 4-story hotelCity Council Dist.: 2] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER A FIVE H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 56 12 11 EAST COMMERCE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A FOUR STORY HO HOTEL ON THE VACANT LOT AT 1211 EAST COMMERCE. THE LOT IS BOUNDED TO THE SOUTH BY EAST COMMERCE AND BY CENTER STREET TO THE NORTH LOT IS BOUNDED ON THE WEST BY AN EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE INTO THE EAST BY VACANT LOT. THIS LOT IS ZONED DOWNTOWN. ONLY STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. ONE THAT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE FEATURE GROUND FLOOR HEIGHT OF 14 FEET RATHER THAN THE DETACHED COMMERCIAL ELEMENT. AS NOTED IN FINDING E TWO THAT THE STREET FACADE INCLUDE UPPER LEVELS, INCLUDING UPPER LEVELS, FEATURE AT LEAST 70% WINDOWS OR GLAZING AS NOTED IN FINDING E THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL FACADE SEPARATION ELEMENTS ON THE FIRST LEVEL WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE IS TO FURTHER SEPARATE THE WALL PLAINS SO THAT THEY DO NOT APPEAR AS A SOLID MASS IS NOTED IN FINDING F FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT ALIGN THE PRIMARY MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE TO EAST COMMERCE AND THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO THE IMMEDIATE WEST TO CONTINUE, CONTINUE. THE ESTABLISHED STREET WALL IS NOTED IN FINDING H [00:25:01] FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASE THE PROPOSED WALL TILES ON THE EAST COMMERCE FACADE. AND AT THE LOCATION OF THE WEST ENTRANCE IS NOTED IN FINDING I F EXCUSE ME, SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED STUCCO IN LIEU OF EFIS OR ENSURE THAT THE EFIS PANELS ARE SIZED AND TEXTURED TO RESEMBLE STUCCO WITH THE EXPANSION AND CONTROL JOINTS IS NOTED IN FINDING J. ADDITIONALLY, NO STUCCO OR EFA SHOULD BE USED ON THE GROUND FLOOR SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT RECESS ALL WINDOWS AT LEAST TWO INCHES WITHIN WALLS AND ELIMINATE THE FAUX SHUTTERS IS NOTED IN FINDING M EIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT DESIGNED A STREET FACADE THAT FEATURES ELEMENTS THAT RESPOND TO THOSE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO THE IMMEDIATE WEST IS NOTED IN FINDING J AND NONE THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED ADDITIONAL FACADE MATERIALS IS NOTED IN FINDING L THE APPLICANT HERE. MY NAME IS PAUL COLLICK AND I'M, UH, REPRESENTING THE, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A CANDLEWOOD SUITES HOTEL. AND, UH, WE WE GOT THE, UH, THESE NINE ITEMS ON FRIDAY AND, AND WE HAVE RESPONSES, BUT THEY'RE IN HARD COPY, NOT IN P D F FORMAT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW, SHOULD I DISTRIBUTE THIS? UH, ACTUALLY SHOULD, THERE'S COPIES HERE OR MAYBE, AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER SET OF EIGHT AND A HALF ELEVENS. WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT 'EM ON THE CEILING CAM. ALSO, PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO DO IT TO START OUT WITH WOULD BE JUST DO A COMPARISON OF THE RENDERING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, THE NEW RENDERING. THAT'S THE NEW RENDERING. AND I CAN GO THROUGH THE, UH, ITEM NUM NINE ITEMS WITH THAT RENDERING, IF, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. YES, PLEASE. OKAY. I THINK ITEM NUMBER ONE CONCERN WAS THAT THE RETAIL LOOKED DETACHED FROM THE REST OF THE HOTEL. AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE COMPARED TO THE, UH, WE, WE BROUGHT THE HEIGHT OF THE RETAIL UP TO THE CORNISH OF THE HOTEL, WHEREAS IT WAS A LOT LOWER. AND BY DOING THAT, THAT ALLOWED US TO PUT IN CLEAR STORY WINDOWS ABOVE THE AWNING OF, AND ALSO INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE, OF THE, UH, RETAIL GLAZING AND STILL HAVE ROOM FOR POSSIBLE SIGNAGE UP ABOVE THE TRIM PIECE OF, OF THE CORNICE. OKAY. SO I THINK IT TIES TOGETHER THE BUILDING A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT IT WAS PRIOR. ITEM NUMBER TWO, 70% WINDOWS AND OR GLAZING HAS BEEN ACHIEVED WITH THE ADDITION OF THE CLA STORIES, WHICH WASN'T THERE PRIOR. THE DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL FACADE SEPARATION ELEMENTS. I, I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN SHOW THE BEFORE AND AFTER? A QUESTION ON ITEM TWO, UH, DID STAFF UM, TALK ABOUT THAT STREET OR WAS IT BOTH STREETS? JUST THE EAST COMMERCE STREET WITH THE RETAIL REQUIRED, THE 70% GLAZING, THE PRIMARY STREET IS THE, OR THE EAST COMMERCE, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY STREET, IS THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE. UM, OBVIOUSLY IF THOSE ITEMS ARE INCORPORATED ON OTHER STREETS, WHAT WOULD, WHICH WOULD BE CENTER IN THIS CASE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS WELL. ON CENTER STREET, WE DON'T HAVE A RETAIL COMPONENT. THAT'S THE LESSER STREET, I THINK THINK, BUT IF YOU COMPARE THE ARTICULATION BETWEEN THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL AND THE NEW SUBMITTAL, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A LOT HAPPIER WITH GLAZING AND ARTICULATION. [00:30:04] AND IT HAS THE HIGHER, UH, CORNICE, WHICH IS CONNECTED TO THE REST OF THE HOTEL. WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS CREATE A PODIUM, A BASE, UH, FOR THE GUEST ROOMS TO BE BUILT ON. AND IT, THE HOTEL IS LISTED AS A FOUR STORY HOTEL, BUT ACTUALLY IT'S A FIVE STORY HOTEL. IT'S THE FIRST LEVEL IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMPONENT, THE RECEPTION AREA, REGISTRATION AREA, AND THEN HALF OF THE FIRST FLOOR IS A PARKING GARAGE THAT HIDES ALL THE PARKING. AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR IS ENTIRELY PARKING GARAGE. AND WE HAVE THREE GUEST ROOM FLOORS ON TOP OF THE PODIUM. ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEMS ONE AND TWO? WELL, I, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, WHEN DID YOU GUYS RECEIVE THE UPDATES? WAS THIS RECEIVED PRIOR TO TODAY OR HAVE YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS? THESE UPDATES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW? YEAH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE STAFF HAS SEEN THESE THAT RESPOND TO OUR NINE ITEMS. OKAY. I POSTED UP ON THE DROPBOX, BUT IT'S BEEN PRETTY QUICK TODAY. IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG PROJECT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF STATE RELATIONS THAT STAFF HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, AND STAFF HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS. I AM GONNA TABLE IT. SORRY. MAYBE IT WOULD HELP IF WE COULD WALK THROUGH THE RE THE REST OF THIS HERE AND JUST SEE HOW FAR AWAY WE ARE. OKAY. I I, TO SPEAKING TO THAT POINT, THERE ARE A, A FEW ITEMS ON HERE THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AT A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING THAT THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE HAS UPDATED. SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET, UM, AT LEAST AN INFORMAL DECISION FROM THE COMMISSION ON THOSE ITEMS SO THAT THE APPLICANT COULD PUT THOSE ON THE BACK BURNER AND FOCUS ON OTHERS. UM, I WALKED THROUGH THOSE ITEMS AS I REMEMBER THEM. UM, WE CAN START AT THE BOTTOM. THE APPLICANT THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING IN REGARDS TO THE INCORPORATION OF ADDITIONAL FACADE MATERIALS. UM, THOSE ARE PRIMARILY, PRIMARILY, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE ENTRANCE, WHICH IS LOCATED HERE ON THE INTERIOR DRIVE. UM, THAT WAS IN REGARDS TO THE APPLICANT INCORPORATING ADDITIONAL FACADE TILES THAT WERE FOUND ON THE STREET ELEVATION. UM, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEGUN TO INCORPORATE THOSE AT OTHER PLACES THROUGHOUT THE FACADE. UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE INCLUDED, UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, ADDRESSING THE CORNICE, THE PROFILE OF THE CORNICE. UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT'S BEEN UPDATED, BUT THAT'S A, A SIMPLE DETAIL OF THIS IS THE ADJACENT CORNISH FURNACE THAT WE IMPLEMENTED FROM THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL. RESPONSE TO THAT. OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, WERE THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS SHUTTERS BE SHUTTERS BE REMOVED. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS ACCOMPLISHED THAT. UM, THE COMMITTEE NOTED REGARDS IN REGARDING IN OR IN REGARDS TO THE PARKING GARAGE FACADE, UM, IN INCORPORATING ADDITIONAL DETAILING AND MATERIALS. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE THAT THROUGH THE INCORPORATION OF FACADE TILES AND A FEW OTHER MATERIALS AND DETAILING, UM, TO PROVIDE A, A FACADE, AN ELEVATION THAT'S SEPARATED AND BANDED LIKE THAT OF THE, THE STREET FACING FACADE. UM, AND THEN THERE WERE COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE ENCLOSED COURTYARD. DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? THE ENCLOSED COURTYARD, WE TOOK A GOOD SIZED NOTCH OUT OF IT AND IT SHOWS UP ON THE SITE PLAN YEAH. THAT CORNER SO THAT WHEN THE PEDESTRIANS WOULD COME ALONG EAST COMMERCE SIDEWALK, THEY WOULD SEE A LARGER OPENING BY ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT FEET. AND THEN IT TAPERS DOWN TO, I FORGET IF IT'S, I THINK IT'S SEVEN FEET. WITH LANDSCAPING, WE HAD TO RELOCATE A, A BARBECUE, BARBECUE PIT, I MEAN A, YOU KNOW, GRILL. SO IT'D BE TO CODE WITH ENOUGH DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT AND GIVE SOME SPACE TO THE LANDSCAPING IN A PEDESTRIAN AREA. ALSO, I, I WANTED TO MENTION ON THE, UH, ON THE FINISHES IT SAYS NO EVIS ON THE FIRST LEVEL WE'VE GOT, WE HAVE PORCELAIN TILE, UH, THE DARK BRANT, DARK BROWN, AND ALSO LIKE A LIMESTONE COLOR THAT GOES TO ELEVATION OF 10 FEET AROUND [00:35:01] THE ENTIRE BUILDING MINIMUM. SO GO TOWARD CENTER STREET, THE, THERE'S THE LIGHT LIMESTONE TILE WHERE THERE WAS WHITE PRIOR, KEPT THE RUSTICATION ABOVE, UH, 10 FOOT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE CORNES, WHICH IS ABOUT NINE TWO CORNES IS UH, 38 INCHES. AND, UH, IT'S EMULATING THE CORNES NEXT DOOR OF THE HISTORICAL BUILDING, WHICH IS ALSO, IT IS 32 INCHES, BUT IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING. SO THE PROPORTIONS ARE VERY SIMILAR. YOU CAN SEE, DO YOU SEE THE EXTRAPOLATED OF THE EXISTING, THAT'S THE EXISTING HISTORICAL BUILDING CORNES THAT'S ABOVE THE WINDOWS WHERE THE ARROWS POINTING. NUMBER SIX ON THE EISS. OKAY. ON THE EISS WE PUT IN CONTROL JOINTS WHERE WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE AVIS ABOVE THE 10 FOOT LEVEL. UH, SO THAT EMULATES STUCCO THOUGH IT'S EVIS AT AT GROUND LEVEL, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PERCEIVE IT. IT'S GONNA BE SMOOTH, NOT LUMPY AS REQUIRED. THIS IS, UM, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THAT'S A COMMENT THAT STAFF IS IMPLEMENTED IN A DETAIL THAT WE'VE REQUIRED FOR PROJECTS ZONED DOWNTOWN AND IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND THEN WE, WE INCREASE THE WALL TILES ON EAST COMMERCE FACADE AND ALSO ON THE ENTRY TO THE HOTEL AND THE PARKING GARAGE. SEE THE DARK BROWN THAT GOES UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE CORNISH THAT'S AT THE ENTRY, WHICH GIVES IT A NICE FRAME AND THEN TO THE LEFT, TO THE LEFT OF IT, THAT'S THE ENTRY TO THE GARAGE AND IT'S SOLID BROWNSTONE ALL THE WAY UP WHERE WE HAD RUSTICATION THERE BEFORE. SO I, I THINK THAT HELPS BRING YOUR EYE TO WHERE IS THE ENTRY. AND THEN PREVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE RETAIL, THE CORNER, THE CORONER'S, HAVING THE PORCELAIN TILE GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE CORNERS. A LITTLE FUZZY ON THIS RENDERING BACK TO THE, UH, CONTROL JOINTS ON THE EFIS, ESPECIALLY AT THE WINDOWS OF THE GUEST ROOMS. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A CONTROL JOINT IN THE CENTER OF THE WINDOW, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, WE, I HAVE THE WORKING DRAWINGS THAT MIGHT SHOW THAT CONTROL SEED ARE TYPICALLY PLASTER JOINTS ARE ON EITHER JAM OF THE WINDOW THAT GO UP RATHER THAN, UH, IN THE CENTER OF THE WINDOW. IF IT WAS REAL STUCCO. YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE CANDLEWOOD SIGN IS, BUT WHERE HE'S POINTING RIGHT THERE. YEAH. AND RIGHT THERE, UM, THAT'S TYPICALLY CONTROL JOINTS ARE AT THE, THE, UH, JAMS AND HEAD. I CONCUR. WE HAVE A DESIGNER THAT, UH, TORTURED US TO PUT IT THERE, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN PUT IT AT THE CORNERS. I AGREE. I'M MORE OF A TECHNICIAN THAN A DESIGNER. IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. UM OKAY. STRUCTURALLY THAT IT HAPPENED AT THE CORNERS OF THE WINDOWS RATHER THAN IN THE CENTER OF THE WINDOW. 'CAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE STUCCO WOULD CRACK. OH YEAH, YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT ON. EDWARD, I HAVE A, A QUESTION ABOUT THE E EFIS COMMENTS. I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED EFIS AS A MATERIAL SO LONG AS THE TEXTURE AND JOINTS SIMILAR TO STUCCO. UM, BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED HERE, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? IN THE PAST, WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE IS WE'VE HAD THE APPLICANT, UM, AS CONSTRUCTION STARTS, PROVIDE SAMPLES TO STAFF, UM, AND THEN STAFF WE WOULD GO OUT AND REVIEW THOSE TEXTURES TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE. UM, SO, UM, I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION PARTIALLY YES, BUT IT WOULD BE VERIFIED BY SITE VISIT WITH STAFF. UM, ONCE THOSE SAMPLES ARE PRODUCED, [00:40:01] COULD THE CONTROL JOINT LOCATIONS BE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS REVIEW ON IN THE FIELD AS WELL? THEY COULD. UM, THAT WOULD ALL BE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT DEPENDENT ON THE APPLICANT AND WHAT SYSTEM THEY DEVELOP. BUT YES, WE WOULD, THE, THE TEXTURE AND THE CONTROL JOINTS AND THE PROFILE OF THOSE JOINTS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REVIEW. ARE Y'ALL PLANNING A, UH, MOCK UP FOR WALL SECTION? WE CAN, THAT MIGHT, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THESE, UH, MATERIALS AND CONDITIONS. WOULD THAT BE PRIOR TO APPROVAL OR JUST FOR FINAL APPROVAL? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, UM, IN MOST CASES THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION. AND THEN YOU WOULD WORK WITH STAFF AFTER WHATEVER, UH, MOTION BY THE COMMISSION, UM, DURING CONSTRUCTION ALIGNING THE PRIMARY MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE, EAST COMMERCE AND THE HISTORICAL BUILDING. I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME PLANE WITH THE, UH, THAT COMMENT FROM STAFF WAS PRIMARILY SO THAT THIS BLOCK FACE, THE, THE ONE STORY COMMERCIAL PORTION DOES DO THAT. UM, THE, UH, THE PORTION OF THE HOTEL THAT'S OFF THE PODIUM DOESN'T, UM, I BELIEVE SOME OF THAT MAY BE, UM, UP TO THE COMMISSION DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE COMMISSION FINDS THE ONE STORY PORTION APPROPRIATE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR A 14 FOOT TALL, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT AT THE STREET LEVEL. WE, WE RAISED UP THE, UH, CORNES FROM I THINK 15 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE CORNES IS CURRENTLY 21 FOOT FOUR. SO IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER AND MORE IN HARMONY WITH THE TWO STORY BUILDING THAT'S ADJACENT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S SHOWING THOSE TWO TOGETHER NEXT TO EACH OTHER? I DON'T, I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THIS PROJECT AND I FEEL A LITTLE BIT, UM, RIGHT NOW I FEEL THE APPLICANT'S WORKING HARD TO MEET THE STIPULATIONS, BUT I'M NOT, UM, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE APPRO YET, EVEN THOUGH THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SOME CHANGES, THIS FACADE IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT NEXT TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING. AND AS WELL, I DO THINK THAT THE STAFF WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, MORE WINDOWS ON THE UPPER LEVELS AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING CHANGED EITHER. I THINK YOU DID THE WINDOWS ON THE, ON THE STREET LEVEL. I THINK IT'S IMPROVED. I THINK THERE'S SOME, UH, IMPROVEMENT STILL TO BE DONE ON THE SECOND LEVEL FOR THAT STIPULATION. SO IT'S A ONE STORY BUILDING AND WE ADDED, UH, I THINK FOUR FOOT HEIGHT OF CLEAR STORY ABOVE THE INITIAL AWNING WHERE THE AWNING IS. BUT I CAN, I, ONE OF MY GOALS WAS TO TAKE GOOD PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE, OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING INSTEAD OF JUST GETTING IT OFF THE INTERNET. SO I CAN DO A GOOD JOB OF REPLICATING THE, UH, ELEVATION. THAT'S JUST THE INTERNET RENDITION PHOTOGRAPH, BE ABLE TO READ, UM, MODULAR BRICK COSING AND SIZING A LOT BETTER WHEN I GET THROUGH WITH IT TODAY. FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILS ON THE, SEEING THE DRAWINGS BETTER OR STAFF LOOKING AT THE UPDATE. I AGREE. THAT'S FINE. YEAH, I, I CONCUR THOUGH. I, I DO REALLY DO COMMEND YOU FOR, UH, BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE'S, UH, COMMENTS THAT WE HAD DURING OUR PHONE CONFERENCE. AND, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE COME A LONG WAY. I I LIKE THE, UH, THE RESULTING PROPORTIONS OF YOUR COMMERCE STREET NOW WITH THE CANOPY AND THE CLEAR STORY ABOVE. AND, UM, YOU OFTEN YOU WOULD, WHEN YOU HISTORICALLY THERE WOULD'VE BEEN SOME BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE TALLER AND SOME THAT WOULD BE ONLY ONE OR TWO STORIES. AND SO THAT KIND OF UP AND DOWN, UH, CHANGE IN SCALE DOESN'T BOTHER ME BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE DOING A LOT TO SORT OF RESPOND TO YOUR CONTEXT. IN FACT, I, I'D ALMOST KIND OF CAUTION YOU ABOUT DOING DIRECT REPLICATION, YOU KNOW, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO , UH, BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE DISNEYLAND AND WE WANT IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT ARE AUTHENTICALLY HISTORIC TO, TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR CHARACTER AND AND FOR YOU TO HAVE A CONTEMPORARY BUILDING THAT'S WELL, WELL SCALED AND PROPORTIONATE, I THINK YOU'RE HEADED THAT WAY. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT UPPER, UPPER CORNES, UH, ON THE, UH, ON THE HOTEL PORTION OF IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SIMPLIFYING THAT A BIT MORE LIKE WHAT'S OVER YOUR ORCA SHARE ENTRY, UH, CORNICE, UH, RATHER THAN HAVING IT BE THIS THING THAT'S GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BRACKETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND I KNOW THE CONTEXT THAT YOU'RE DRAWING UPON, BUT IT MAY BE KIND OF PUSHING THAT, [00:45:01] THAT FINE LINE OF RESPONDING TO CONTEXT VERSUS REPLICATION, RIGHT? IT, IT, THE DECK, THE, UH, ADJACENT BUILDING DOESN'T HAVE THAT DOES HAVE THE ITALIANATE CORNES WITH THE DENTALS AND OURS ARE NOT, THE DENTALS ARE NOT THAT CLOSE AS IN THE EXISTING, THEY'RE SPACED A LOT FURTHER, BUT IT'S A LARGER BUT STILL GIVES REFERENCE TO THE ITALIANATE NEXT DOOR HER SURE. AND BUT I THINK GOING BACK TO I THINK A COMMENT THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID, I THINK MAYBE ONE MORE, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO REALLY DIGEST ABSOLUTELY WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS ARE CHECKED OFF AND SO THAT WHEN THEY HAVE HAD THAT CHANCE TO DO THE REVIEW ITEMS ARE PROBABLY GONNA DROP AWAY 'CAUSE HE FULFILLED THOSE STIPULATIONS. AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT A SHORTER LIST OF STIPULATIONS. SO I I, I DON'T KNOW TIMING WISE IF, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN, UH, WITHDRAW AND RESUBMIT OR NOT OR JUST, UH, I MEAN ESSENTIALLY THE APPLICANT COULD FORMALLY SUBMIT THESE BACK TO US, UM, WE COULD RE-REVIEW AND HE COULD BE LISTED ON THE NEXT AGENDA. WHEN IS THE NEXT AGENDA? SEPTEMBER THE FOURTH AND THE, UH, YOUR REVIEW? YES SIR. YOU COULD JUST EMAIL IT DIRECTLY. OKAY, VERY GOOD. AND, AND AND TO THE APPLICANT, IF YOU DO WANT A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, THERE'S ONE AS WELL. I'M, I'M SORRY, I, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. THERE IS ONE IN THE IN BETWEEN. YES. UM, THAT, THAT COULD ALSO BE ANOTHER APP, ANOTHER OPTION. UM, WE COULD DO LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST WITH EACH A TELECONFERENCE. YES, SIR. WHEN IS THAT DATE? DO YOU KNOW? UM, I LOOKED AT THE SCHEDULE EARLIER TUESDAY, THE 27TH IS FULL, BUT THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY ON WEDNESDAY THE 28TH. OKAY. I'D, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A JUST A SECOND HERE TO THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING, UM, A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES SO QUICKLY FROM, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK, , IF WE GOT, I WAS OUTTA TOWN ON FRIDAY AND I GOT, I READ THE EMAIL FROM, UH, EDWARD HALL MONDAY, SO I, I I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LATE SUBMISSION HERE. SO I, I FEEL, I, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER HERE ON, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE PRIMARY MASS. I DON'T THINK THAT THE LINE, THE LINE IN THE UPPER MASS, UH, PARALLEL TO THE ADJACENT BUILDING, BUT I, BUT I CAN SHOW THE, THE RELATIONSHIP, UH, WITH A GOOD DOCUMENTATION OF THE EXISTING FOR THE NEXT SUBMITTAL. WELL, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK THAT'S HELPS RESOLVE A LOT OF THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES. I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE STAFF'S, UH, LEVEL OF DETAIL AND COMMENTS, SO IT WAS EASY TO TAKE A WHACK AT RESPONDING TO IT. I'M TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT. YEAH, AND, AND TO KIND OF FULFILL, I THINK THE DESIRE TO SEE THAT CONTEXT BECAUSE, UH, YOUR, YOUR INJURIES SORT OF DISSOLVE AWAY THAT BUILDING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF BEING ABLE TO SEE IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. BUT I THINK GETTING THAT COMMERCE STREET CONTEXT, BUT THAT COULD BE DONE THROUGH PHOTO MONTAGE OR YOU KNOW, VERY, YOU KNOW, VERY, UH, THAT'S TRUE EFFICIENT WAY OF, UH, OF DOING IT SO THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, LABORIOUSLY HAVING TO DO MAJOR DRAWINGS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING NEXT TO YOU TO SHOW THAT CONTEXT. AND I'LL GET SOME GOOD PHO PHOTOGRAPHS. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THAT. MOTION TO POSTPONE TO NEXT MEETING, SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW YOU, UM, BRING THIS TO COMPLETION. OKAY. COPY OF EVERYTHING. YES. AND BILL THIS BANK, IF YOU CAN EMAIL ME, I'LL DROPBOX LINK THAT YOU HAVE. OKAY. NOTED EARLIER. AGENDA ITEM, UH, A 6 22 14 SOUTHEAST MILITARY HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. [A-7 19-6237 Address/Description: 315 E HOUSTON ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-447 Applicant: Kayla Brooks/Tejas Sign Co. - A-1 Signs Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 1] WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM A SEVEN H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 4 7 3 15 EAST HOUSTON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AT THREE 15 HOUSTON. WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING INSTALL, ONE. INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTER SIGNED TO READ WEWORK TO BE LO LOCATED ON THE BALCONY WALL ABOVE THE HISTORIC CREST SIGNAGE. THE PROPOSED SIGN IS A FEATURE AN OVERALL WIDTH OF 29 FEET, ONE 16TH OF AN INCH, AND AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF SIX FEET, SEVEN EIGHTHS OF SEVEN AND SEVEN EIGHTHS OF AN INCH FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF 182.5 SQUARE FEET. THE SIGN WILL FEATURE WHITE ACRYLIC FACES WITH DUAL COLOR PERFORATED VINYL APPLICATIONS. ITEM NUMBER TWO, TO INSTALL [00:50:01] ONE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN TO READ WEWORK TO BE LOCATED ON THE EAST FACING WALL. THE PROPOSED SIGN IS TO FEATURE AN OVERALL WIDTH, THE 33 FEET FIVE AND ONE QUARTER INCHES IN AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY SEVEN FEET FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF 237 SQUARE FEET. THIS SIGN WILL FEATURE WHITE ACRYLIC FACES WITH DUAL COLOR PERFORATED VINYL APPLICATIONS. ITEM NUMBER THREE, TO INSTALL ONE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL, CHANNEL LETTER SIGN TO READ WEWORK TO BE LOCATED ABOVE THE EAST HOUSTON ENTRANCE CANOPY. THE PROPOSED SIGN IS TO FEATURE AN OVERALL WIDTH OF 13 FEET, 11 INCHES, AND AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF TWO FEET 10 INCHES FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF 40.2 0.2 SQUARE FEET. THIS SIGN WILL FEATURE WHITE ACRYLIC FACES WITH DUAL COLOR PERFORATED VINYL APPLICATIONS. AND ITEM FOUR TEMP TO INSTALL TEMPORARY VINYL WINDOW APPLICATIONS TO BE INSTALLED AT THE STREET LEVEL STOREFRONT SYSTEM. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE EITHER HALO OR INDIRECT LIGHTING AS TO NOT PRODUCE AN INTERNAL GLOWING CABINET. TWO, THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE FACING SOUTH BE RELOCATED TO THE PENTHOUSE WALL WHERE IT, WHERE IT WILL NOT INTERFERE OR NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE HISTORIC CREST SIGNAGE. AND THREE, THAT ALL TEMPORARY SIGNAGE BE REMOVED AT THE TIME OF INSTALLATION OF PERMANENT SIGNAGE. THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IN, UH, LIEU OF THE ABSENCE OF THE APPLICANT, I MOVE TO POSTPONE, UH, DECISION ON THIS PROJECT. SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES [A-8 19-6245 Address/Description: 1700 S ST MARYS HDRC Case No.: 2019-452 RIO District: RIO-4 Applicant: Raymon VanCleave Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 1] IN ITEM NUMBER A EIGHT H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 52 1700 SOUTH ST. MARY'S. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AT 1700 SOUTH ST. MARY'S. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO INSTALL THE FOLLOWING, IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING SIGNAGE ON SITE ONE THREE PERFORATED VINYL GRAPHICS TO THE FRONT, WHICH IS THE WEST FACING WINDOWS TWO THREE PERFORATED VINYL GRAPHICS TO THE SIDE, WHICH IS THE NORTH FACING WINDOWS THREE FOUR. INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL ICE CREAM SIGN TO THE EXISTING PYLON SIGN. NEAR THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S SOUTH ST. MARY'S FOUR. THE PLACE A PEDESTRIAN MENU BOARD NEAR THE PY LINE SIGN THAT IS TO MEASURE 24 INCHES BY 36 INCHES AND FIVE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING GRAPHICS ON BOTH THE PY LINE AND THE BUILDING STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDING. B. STAFF FINDS THAT THE INTRODUCTION OF ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE DISPLAYING THE BUSINESS'S NAME AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL PRODUCT SIGNAGE IS INAPPROPRIATE. HOWEVER, STAFF MONTHS DISPLAY OF MENU ITEMS IN THE WINDOWS IS APPROPRIATE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ONLY THE LIST OF FOOD ITEMS ON THE WEST FACING WINDOWS IN THE PROPOSED MIDDLE AND THE MENU ON THE NORTH FACING WINDOWS TO THE PROPOSED RIGHT ARE APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS THREE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE PROPOSED ICE CREAM SIGN NOT FEATURE BUSINESS SIGNAGE AND NOT FEATURE INTERNAL ILLUMINATION AS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED MENU BOARD NOT BE PLACED ON THE SIDEWALK OR, OR IMPEDE THE FLOW OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AS NOTED IN FINDING D AND THREE, THAT THE EXISTING SIGNAGE THAT IS TO BE REFACED, BE DONE, BE DONE. SO IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT INCREASE THE SIZE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGNS AND DOES NOT CHANGE THE MANNER OF ILLUMINATION THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M RAYMOND VAN CLEVE, UH, WITH 12 STONE. THANK YOU. YOUR COMMENTS ON STAFF STIPULATIONS? UH, I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION, SO IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF SHOW ME WHICH, WHICH ONES WERE 1, 2, 3, 4. I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU. SO ITEM NUMBER ONE WERE THE THREE GRAPHICS ON THE FRONT FACADE. OKAY. UM, STAFF FINDS THAT THE MIDDLE WAS APPROPRIATE. ITEM TWO WERE THE GRAPHICS THAT WERE ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, IN THE DRIVE THROUGH STAFF FOUND THAT THE ICE CREAM OR THE, EXCUSE ME, THE FAST FOOD MENU IS APPROPRIATE. UM, THE BLUE BELL ICE CREAM IS ACTUALLY, UH, AN OFF PREMISE, UM, SIGNS SO THAT, UM, IS TECHNICALLY PROHIBIT PROHIBITED BY THE U D C ITEM. NUMBER THREE WAS THE ICE CREAM CONE STAFF FINDS TO BE APPROPRIATE AS LONG AS IT'S NOT INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED OR GLOWING. ITEM NUMBER FOUR WAS THE MENU BOARD STAFF FINDS THIS TO BE APPROPRIATE AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ON THE SIDEWALK. AND ITEM NUMBER FIVE WAS [00:55:01] THE REFACE OF THE EXISTING SIGNS. STAFF FINDS THAT TO BE APPROPRIATE AS LONG AS THE SIGNS DON'T, SIGNS DON'T GET LARGER OR THE ILLUMINATION CHANGES. UM, SO IN CONCLUSION, BASICALLY THESE TWO GRAPHICS AND THESE TWO GRAPHICS ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING AT THIS TIME. OKAY. UM, I'M, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT WE HAD, UH, SUBMITTED A DIFFERENT, UH, SIGN FOR THE ONE FOR THE FRONT. COULD YOU, COULD YOU PULL THAT ONE UP? THAT ONE THERE? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PUT THIS ON THE CAMERA, BUT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, A DIFFERENT, 'CAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT ONLY 50% OF THE WINDOW COULD BE COVERED FOR THOSE FRONTS. AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE DESIGN, UH, WE THOUGHT WE HAD SUBMITTED. UH, WHAT THE ONE THING THAT WE REALLY NEED THESE, UH, THIS STOREFRONT IS, IS THE BUILDING SITS BACK ABOUT 50, 60 FEET OFF THE ROAD. AND WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE ARE PASSING BY, YOU CAN, WE'RE REALLY HAVING TROUBLE, UH, MARKETING OURSELVES. SO WE HAD SOME, UH, FEATHER FLAGS OUT FRONT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED AND IT, IT WAS OUR IGNORANCE. WE DIDN'T KNOW IT, WE WEREN'T ALLOWED THAT STUFF, SO I, WE APOLOGIZED FOR THAT, SO WE IMMEDIATELY TOOK 'EM DOWN. AND SO THIS IS OUR ANSWER FOR BEING ABLE TO PULL THOSE CUSTOMERS IN SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT WE HAVE. UM, SO WE, WE SCALED THIS BACK TO WHERE WE TOOK THE YELLOW OUT AND, UH, WE WHERE YOU CAN STILL SEE OUR PRODUCT SO PEOPLE CAN STILL SEE THAT VISUAL AND HELP PROMOTE OUR BUSINESS. 'CAUSE SINCE, LIKE I SAID, SINCE WE TOOK THOSE FEATHER FLAGS DOWN, WE HAVE SEEN ABOUT A 30% REDUCTION IN OURSELVES. AND SO IT'S BEEN ABOUT THREE MONTHS OF THAT AND WE, IT'S BEEN NOT JUST A QUICK LITTLE SNAPSHOT, BUT OF SOMETHING THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL TO OUR BUSINESS AND SURVIVING IN THIS AREA. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SUBMIT THIS NOW. THIS IS A QUESTION TO STAFF. UM, WITH THAT BIG OF A SIGN AND THE ONE ABOVE IT ON THAT FRONT FACADE, WOULDN'T THAT BE MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FOOT AND THE STREET AND ALL THAT? I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE OUT SHOW DOING YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, IT WOULD, UM, BUT CONSIDERING THE DEPTH OF THE LOT AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY TO WHERE THIS STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IS CONSIDERABLY DEEPER THAN, UM, WHAT'S TYPICAL ON SOUTH ST. MARY'S. UM, SO STAFF FINDS THAT ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, IS, IS APPROPRIATE, UH, PRIMARILY FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT IS THE ADDITION OF ALL OF THE PROPOSED OR THE NEW GRAPHICS, UM, IS WHAT STAFF FINDS TO TAKE THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE, UM, A BIT OVERBOARD. UM, THE MENU AND THE FOOD ITEMS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, SOLD THERE, UM, THAT'S WHAT STAFF FINDS TO BE APPROPRIATE. UM, IT'S JUST THE, THE ENTIRE COVERING OF THE WINDOW OR EVEN THE ADDITION OF 50% MORE COVERING THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE IS, IS WHAT STAFF FINDS TO BE IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE U D C RECOMMENDS. AND THAT IS RIGHT BELOW THE OTHER SIGN THAT'S ALREADY THERE ON THE FRONT FACADE? THAT IS CORRECT. THE SIDE FACADE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO MAYBE WORK WITH STAFF AND UNDERSTAND MORE, UM, THE U D C, THE GUIDELINES AND, AND WHY THOSE STIPULATIONS AND THERE AND MAYBE COME BACK WITH A AVERSION. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO HAVE THAT ON BOTH FACADES COMPLETELY COVER THE WINDOWS. OH, YOU MEAN THE, UH, THE FRONT WINDOWS NOT BEING COVERED COMPARED TO THE, THE 12 STONE SIGN RIGHT ABOVE IT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO WANTING THE OTHER FACADE COMPLETELY COVERED ALMOST, BUT THAT WINDOW. OH, THIS ONE. THIS ONE HERE. OH, THAT ONE AND THAT ONE, RIGHT. YOU WANT BOTH OPTIONS? YEAH. UM, WE, WE'VE KIND OF RETHOUGHT THIS AND WE DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO DO BOTH OF THOSE LIKE THAT. MAYBE JUST ONE. UH, THE ONE MENU IN THE FRONT IS THE ONE THAT'S IMPORTANT, UH, BECAUSE THE SUN COMES DOWN DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING THERE AND IT'S ONLY A 300 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. SO THE, ALL THE ICE CREAM IS RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT AND SO THE SUN COMES DOWN RIGHT THERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT BLOCK. IT NOT ONLY DOES IT GIVE US THE, UH, ABILITY TO SHOW OUR PRODUCT, BUT IT'S ALSO PROVIDING THAT SUNBLOCK FROM THAT COMING RIGHT IN, IN ON OUR ICE CREAM. AND WE'RE JUST SUCH A, YOU YOU CAN DO THAT WITH OTHER TYPES OF MATERIALS. I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IS YOU'RE CREATING SIGNAGE, ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE, A VERY VAST AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE. UM, YOU SAID YOU'VE ALS ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK WITH A LESSER VERSION SINCE YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU THOUGHT OR WELL, I, I THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT IS THINKING OR PROPOSING IS VERY COMPARABLE TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UH, ESSENTIALLY ON THE FRONT FACADE STAFF IS SAYING THAT WHAT'S IN THESE TWO OUTSIDE WINDOWS IS INAPPROPRIATE, BUT WHAT'S IN THE MIDDLE, YOUR MENU, PER SE IS APPROPRIATE. AND THEN HERE ON THE SIDE, UH, BASICALLY THESE TWO ARE INAPPROPRIATE. THIS [01:00:01] ONE, WHICH WOULD BE AT THE, THE, THE SOUTHWEST, EXCUSE ME, THE NORTHWEST CORNER, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY GET MOST OF THE EXPOSURE YEAH. IS APPROPRIATE. CORRECT. UM, SO ALL, ALL OF THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UM, SO I, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THERE COULD PROBABLY BE ACTION TAKEN TODAY. OKAY. SO YOU DO UNDERSTAND ON THE FRONT FACADE YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE THE MIDDLE. ALRIGHT, WELL I, I AGREE WITH THIS, UH, LINE OF THINKING, UH, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE. SO, UH, I'M GONNA MOVE FOR, UH, APPROVE PARTIAL APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO. THAT INCLUDES THE PANELS OF THE MENU BOARDS ON, UH, BOTH THE FRONT AND THE SIDE. AND ITEMS THREE THROUGH FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. SECOND, A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. I'LL SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. [A-10 19-6327 Address/Description: 612 BROADWAY HDRC Case No.: 2019-468 RIO District: RIO-2 Applicant: Roxanne Lozano/Industry Signs, LLC Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 1] MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER A 10 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 4 68. ADDRESS, SIX 12 BROADWAY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL NEW MALL WHILE MOUNTED SIGNAGE TO FEATURE FRONT LIT INDIVIDUAL CHANNEL LETTERS FLUSH MOUNTED TO THE STOREFRONT LETTERS WILL HAVE BLUE AND RED TRANSLUCENT VINYL AND WILL BE LIT WITH L E D MODULES. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AT THIS TIME. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE THAT THE APPLICANT DEVELOPS A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN FOR THE COMMERCIAL BLOCK STRUCTURE THAT INDICATES ALL SIGNAGE LOCATIONS FOR FUTURE TENANTS, THE OVERALL PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR ALL SIGNAGE AND EACH INDIVIDUAL SIGN AND THE MATERIAL AND LIGHTING PROPOSALS. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES SIGNAGE WITH REDUCED SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ILLUMINATION THAT DOES NOT PRODUCE A GLARE. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS, B AND C STAFF ENCOURAGES THE APPLICANT TO PROPOSE INDIRECTLY LIT SIGNAGE OR SIGNAGE THAT FEATURES CHANNEL LETTERS WITH HALO ILLUMINATION. THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S MATT WEST. I'M OWNER OF FAST SCIENCE DOWNTOWN SIX 12 BROADWAY. UM, UH, WE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF THE, UH, OH P'S OPINION ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON. UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME TO, UH, CREATE A FORMAL RESPONSE. UH, IN ADDITION, GIVEN THE DESIGNATION AS A MULTI-TENANT PROPERTY, WE NEEDED TO, UH, TOUCH BASE WITH THE LANDLORD. JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M A TENANT. I DO NOT OWN THE BUILDING. UH, AND WHEN WE LEASE THE SPACE, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS A SINGLE TENANT OCCUPANCY. WE'RE SEPARATELY METERED. WE SHARE NO ENTRANCES. WE DON'T EVEN SHARE A ROOF, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THAT FROM THE PICTURES. UH, SO WHEN WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS LATE FRIDAY, UH, WE'VE BEEN SCRAMBLING TO WORK WITH THE LANDLORD AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A CONTINGENT CONTINGENCY PLAN. UH, I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK WITH THE LANDLORD THIS MORNING AND MAKE THEM AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN. WHY I'M HERE TODAY IS I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN, UH, RECEIVE APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR SIGNAGE WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL RESPECT THE, UH, OH P'S DESIRE TO REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, THE MULTI-TENANT DESIGNATION. UH, AND I HAVE, I HAVE, UM, AGAIN, THIS CAME OFF THE PRINTER THIS MORNING, SO IT'S A LITTLE ROUGH, BUT I HAVE, UH, NEW REITERATE REFLECTING THAT REDUCTION TO LESS THAN 17 SQUARE FEET FOR OUR CHANNEL LETTER SIGNAGE. UM, WE HAVE DISCUSSED INFORMALLY WITH A LANDLORD, UH, USING THAT STANDARD FOR THE OTHER TWO OFFICES THAT ARE PART OF WHAT'S BEING CALLED THE MULTI-TENANT FACADE. UM, OH, I HAVE ADDITIONAL COMPANIES AS WELL. UH, THAT, AND THE, THE RENDERING WE'RE PROPOSING IS ON THE SECOND PAGE. YOU CAN SEE THERE, WE'VE REDUCED THE, UH, THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO I THINK 16.5 SQUARE FEET TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, ONE THIRD 50 REQUIREMENT AND, UM, ASK THE LANDLORD TO AGREE TO, AND I ONLY HAVE A VERBAL AGREEMENT ON THIS SIMILAR SIGNAGE FOR THE OTHER TWO, UH, BUILDINGS AS THEY LEASED THEM. UM, THE SECOND ISSUE THAT STAFF RAISED, UH, HALO LITTER, INDIRECTLY LIT SIGNAGE. UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE BLOCK, UH, HAS, UH, A A LARGE NUMBER OF, UH, FRONT LIT CHANNEL LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF AND H D R C, UH, IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND SO WE FEEL LIKE FRONT LIT CHANNEL LETTERS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE BLOCK. UM, AND, AND WE WOULD NOT THAT THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM, BUT UH, WE ARE A FRANCHISE AND OUR FRANCHISE STANDARDS REQUIRE FRONT LIT CHANNEL LETTERS. AND SO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT STANDARD REQUIRE A VARI VARIANCE FROM MY FRANCHISE. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, IN CONSIDERATION OF THE REST OF THE SIGNAGE ALREADY ON THE BLOCK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, UH, WE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FRONT LIT CHANNEL LETTERS WITH A REDUCED SQUARE FOOTAGE [01:05:01] THAT YOU SEE IN THIS ONE ROOM. AND I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE QUICK FOR A STAFF REACTION. SO THE ITEM NUMBER ONE WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH THIS PROPOSAL THAT YOU SEE UP HERE BECAUSE IT COMPLIES WITH THE 50 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT. UM, THIS BUILDING IS IN RIO ONLY. UM, SO INTERNAL ILLUMINATION IS PERMISSIBLE IF THAT WERE TO BE APPROVED TODAY. THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD STIPULATE IS THAT WE GET A NIGHTTIME RENDERING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SIGN DOES NOT PRODUCE A GLARE. AND WOULD YOU ALSO WANT TO HAVE A MASTER CHA UH, SIGNAGE PLAN FROM THE OWNER? YES, WE'RE RENDERING THAT SATISFIED THE REQUIREMENT. I JUST HAVE TO SAY, BECAUSE OF THE OTHER SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING AND AROUND THERE, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. UM, I, I AGREE. UH, IN THIS INSTANCE AND AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN PRIOR TO THE ISSUE OF A BIT OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, MY VIEW, UM, MIGHT BE GOING A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR, GIVEN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, SIZE SOMETHING THAT'S COMPATIBLE ACROSS THE FACE OF THE BUILDING, AND THE APPLICANT ISN'T NOT NECESSARILY IN A POSITION, UH, AS A TENANT, UM, TO DO SUCH HERE. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, JUST THE APPLICANT KNOWS, I MEAN, THIS WOULD SET, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE OTHER TWO. SO, I MEAN, OF COURSE YOU'LL WORK WITH THE OWNER AND HE'LL KNOW THAT. YEAH, I'VE, I'VE STRESSED THAT TO THEM AND, UM, THEY SEEM, THEY SEEM ACCOMMODATING. WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? YES, SECOND. HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. I WILL NOTE FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT AGENDA ITEM A NINE H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 58 13 0 1 ECOMMERCE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES THE ITEMS THAT CONCLUDES THE A ITEMS OF THE AGENDA. IT'S, UM, ABOUT 12 TILL. AND SO, UH, WE CAN TAKE A QUICK BREAK BEFORE WE START THE B ITEMS I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. UM, B ITEMS. YEAH, DO, DO WE WANNA READ THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, SORRY. , HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN OF THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARD FOR REHABILITATION, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND ANY ADDITIONAL DESIGN GUIDELINES ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK. IF YOU'RE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED OTHER THAN CASE REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKERS, FOUR OR OPPOSED TO AN AGENDA ITEM WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES SPEAKING TIME PER SPEAKER. CI CITIZENS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP FOR A MAXIMUM TIME OF NINE MINUTES. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME A SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP. APPLICANTS WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. [01:10:02] CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE READY WITHIN 10 DAYS AND WILL BE MAILED AND AVAILABLE TO BE PICKED UP IN PERSON AT THE HISTORIC COUNTER LOCATED ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. THANK YOU. UM, WE DO HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. TRANSLATION SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING. UM, WE HAVE A QUICK VIDEO. [Citizens to be Heard] WE HAVE ASSISTANT SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL ADAMS. I'LL CALL HER UP AT THIS TIME. BARBARA GARCIA. GOOD AFTERNOON. EXCUSE ME. UH, MY NAME IS BARBARA GARCIA. I LIVE AT 9 32 NORTH PINE STREET, UH, IN DITY HILL. THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED FOR TODAY'S CASES. THE D H N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS CONCURS WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS. THE OFFICIAL D H N A LETTER IS IN THE CASE FILES AND SIGNED BY THE D H N A PRESIDENT. IN CONSIDERATION OF EVERYONE'S TIME, WE HAVE CONSOLIDATED OUR ASSESSMENTS AND COMMENTS AS FOLLOWS, CASES THAT OUR COMMITTEE SUPPORTS AS PRESENTED. CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 4 52 FOR 5 23 BURNETT STREET. AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING TO RESTORE THIS HISTORIC HOMES FRONT FACADE BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, UH, CASES WITH PARTIAL SUPPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 4 4 9 FOR FIVE 19 NOLAN STREET. WE CANNOT SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AS PRESENTED DUE TO THE SIZE AS IT RELATES TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. THE END DECK DOES SUPPORT THE SMALLER STRUCTURE AND IS OPEN TO METAL PANELS AS THE MATERIALS OF CHOICE, AS THE STRUCTURE WILL BE POSITIONED BEHIND THE HOUSE AT THE REAR OF THE LOT AND NOT DIRECTLY IN VIEW. UH, ALSO CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 4 36 FOR 1839 EAST HOUSTON STREET. THE INDEX SUPPORTS THE PROJECT BUT PREFERS TO SEE A FENCE THAT IS MORE IN TUNE WITH THE HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSE, SUCH AS A WROUGHT IRON FENCE, UH, AND THE INDEX SUPPORTS O H P RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN CASES WITH NON-SUPPORT IS CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 4 37 FOR 9 0 5 NORTH MESQUITE. UM, AND WE DO SUPPORT ALL THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. HEY EDWARD, IF YOU'LL PUT THE CASE LIST ON THE SCREEN DOWN, WE ['B' ITEMS CONSENT AGENDA] HAVE 11 ITEMS ON THE, UM, CONSENT AGENDA. UH, YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY B ONE THROUGH B 11, AND THEN THERE'S THREE OTHERS THAT WE'LL TAKE INDIVIDUAL ACTION ON. SO WE'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR ITEMS B ONE THROUGH B 11 AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS B ONE THROUGH B 11 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS SECOND MOTION, AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES, YOUR HONOR, THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 5 0 3 NORTH MESQUITE FOR BOTH TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION. 6 0 1 BURNETT ONE 18 DELAWARE, 2161 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY 2 22 ADAMS 3 27 EAST PARK FOR BOTH CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION. 10 30, EXCUSE ME, 10 32 WEST LINWOOD, 26 0 7 WEST HOUSTON, AND TWO 15 LOWELL. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE, YARD SIGN PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H P COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR. OKAY, THE THREE HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS ARE ITEMS WHERE THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THOSE. NEXT. [B-12 19-6297 Address/Description: 648 LEIGH ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-322 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: JENNIFER BARRAR/BOBO CUSTOM BUILDERS Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 1] UM, SO WE'LL CALL ITEM B 12, ITEM B 12 H T R C, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 3 22 ADDRESS, 6 4 8 LAY STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 17 1 1 [01:15:01] WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS. THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY AGREED TO REPAIR ALL THE WINDOWS ON AT THE JUNE 24TH, 2019 H T R C HEARING, BUT HAS PROVIDED NEW EVIDENCE AND AN EFFORT TO SUBSTANTIATE THE NEED FOR FULL REPLACEMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF ONE WINDOW BASED ON FINDING C, D, AND F STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ADDITIONAL WINDOW REPLACEMENT. BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE REMAINING EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS IN PLACE. IF THERE ARE ASSEMBLIES THAT ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND RE REPAIR, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT EVIDENCE TO THAT EFFECT TO STAFF IN THE FORM OF AN UPDATED WINDOW SCHEDULE AND PHOTOGRAPHS. IF AN ASSEMBLY IS DEEMED DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR BY THE H T R C OR STAFF, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT NEW WINDOWS MEET THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THEY BE ONE OVER ONE AND FULLY WOOD AND MEET THE REST OF THE STIPULATIONS AS LISTED. I WILL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF ALL OF THE WINDOWS AND HAS PROPOSED A REPLACEMENT AND RES RESTORATION PLAN THAT STAFF FINDS TO BE APPROPRIATE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE MOVING THEM TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND IS THE APPLICANT HERE? MY NAME IS JENNIFER BARRAR. I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE, 4 6 48 LEE STREET. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, I WILL SAY THAT WE PERFORMED A, A SITE VISIT TO THE PROPERTY, UM, WHICH IS WHERE WE DEVELOPED THE REVISED, UM, WINDOW SCHEDULE. AND SO I'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE, THE MEETING THAT WE HAD ON SITE, MR. CHAIRMAN, BASED UPON THE REVISED, UH, WINDOW, UH, RESTORATION AND, UH, REPAIR AND REPLACEMENTS SCHEDULE. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. A MOTION A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. YOU B 21 [B-21 19-6201 Address/Description: 523 BURNET ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-451 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Travis Wagner/WAGNER TRAVIS & STEPHANIE L Request: Exterior alterations, porch reconstruction City Council Dist.: 2] H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 51. 5 23 BURNETT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPAIR THE DAMAGED FACIA TRIM AND WOOD ELEMENTS, AND PAINT THE EXTERIOR OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND TWO, TO PERFORM EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS INCLUDING THE RESTORATION OF THE FRONT PORCH TO INCLUDE DOOR AND WINDOW INSTALLATION, COLUMN INSTALLATION AND PORCH DECK CONSTRUCTION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED LAB SKIRTING WITH A PROFILE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT FOUND ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND THAT PORCH DECKING CONSISTS OF ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROUP DECKING THAT IS INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE PORCH WALL. AS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED PORCH COLUMNS TO THE IMMEDIATE RIGHT OF THE PORCH AT THE CORNER AND AT THE CORNER OF THE PORCH. IF ORIGINAL COLUMNS ARE SOURCED, THE HALF WALL COLUMNS AT THE LEFT AND REAR CORNER OF THE PORCH SHOULD ALSO BE INSTALLED. REPLACEMENT COLUMNS SHOULD FEATURE A SIZE SIX INCHES SQUARE WITH BOTH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM AND CHAFER CORNERS. PROPOSED COLUMN WITH THE PEDIMENT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED RAILINGS FEATURE A TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL. THE BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD FEATURE VERTICAL ORIENTATION THAT SHOULD BE INSTALLED APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE PORCH DECKING. BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED FROM TWO BY FOUR MEMBERS. THE PROPOSED RAILING SHOULD NOT FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF MORE THAN THREE FEET. FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL PORCH, FACIA, AND SOFFIT MATERIALS THAT MATCH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE STRUCTURE. FIVE. THAT WINDOWS BE ADDED TO THE FRONT FACADE AND SHOULD BE INSTALLED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC WINDOW DEPTH FOUND ON THE STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FRONT WINDOWS BE PAIRED IN SPACE EVENLY BETWEEN THE RIGHT WALL AND FRONT DOOR. THE WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE WIDTHS, HEAD HEIGHTS AND SEAL HEIGHTS THAT MATCH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE STRUCTURE. IN REGARDS TO WINDOW MATERIALS, UH, STAFF'S STIPULATIONS AND SPECIFICATIONS APPLY. UM, WE'LL NOTE STAFF HAD A A LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT IS MORE OR LESS ON THE SAME PAGE AS STAFF WITH THE DIRECTION THAT THIS IS GONNA TAKE AND STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT. IN REGARDS TO SPECIFICATIONS OR ANY DETAILS THAT ARE NEEDED. THE APPLICANT PRESENT, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE. YOU CAN STILL TAKE ACTION RIGHT. CURRENTLY. CAN MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION SECOND. A MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. I'LL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. AGENDA [B-22 19-6261 Address/Description: 1839 E HOUSTON ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-436 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: San Antonio San Antonio/SIMONS GAYLE & GOMEZ JORGE Request: Installation of a front yard fence City Council Dist.: 2] ITEM NUMBER B 22, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 36 AT 1839 EAST HOUSTON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL CATTLE PANEL FRONT YARD FENCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH E WITH THE STIPULATION THAT NO PORTION OF [01:20:01] THE FENCE EXCEEDS FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AND THAT THE FENCE FEATURE WROUGHT IRON OR WOOD PICKET INSTEAD OF CATTLE PANEL. UH, STAFF HAS RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE APPLICANT CONSENTING TO THE RECOMMENDATION THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT, BUT WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, DID THEY INDICATE WHETHER THEY WERE GOING WITH WOOD OR METAL WROUGHT IRON? NO. BUT THEY WILL NEED TO SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS. THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. I'LL OPPOSE SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO BACK IN [B-13 19-6269 Address/Description: 214 LOTUS ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-422 Applicant: Office of Historic Preservation Request: Finding of Historic Significance City Council Dist.: 1] ORDER. UM, ITEM B 13, AGENDA. ITEM B 13 H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 2 2 2 14 LOTUS STREET. THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS REQUESTING A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT TWO 14 LOTUS STREET. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND THAT THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION SHOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF TWO 14 LOTUS TO THE ZONING COMMISSION AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F. UM, COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE A SYSTEM B HEARD, UM, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE. WE ALSO HAVE, UM, THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE, UH, HERE AS WELL. HELLO, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 9 1 1 8 FAIRLAND, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. TWO MONTHS AGO, THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY CONTACTED THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION REGARDING THE HOME AT TWO 14 LOTUS. BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THE PROPERTY HAD ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE, WE ALSO KNEW THAT THE BUILDING HAD BEEN MARKETED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR AS A HISTORIC PROPERTY IN AN AREA WITH A VIBRANT TRADITION OF REUSE AND REHABILITATION. THE SALE PRICE APPEARED CONSISTENT WITH THAT OF OTHER PRESERVATION PROJECTS IN THE COMMUNITY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY CONCURS AT THE HOME AT TWO 14. LOTUS MEETS THREE OF THE CRITERIA REQUIRED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR DESIGNATION AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK. FIRST, IT IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF A QUEEN AND STYLE VICTORIAN HOME WITH ITS CLA PORT SIDING, DISTINCTIVE ROOF LINE AND DECORATIVE PORCH ADDITIONS TO THE HOUSE DO NOT DETRACT FROM THE COLUMN FRONT PORCH, LARGE ENTRANCE AND GABLED FACADE. SECOND, THE HOUSE IS ASSOCIATED WITH ADOLF ORNETTE FAMILY, FOR WHOM IT WAS BUILT IN 1909. THE NETTES WERE DESCENDED FROM THE ORIGINAL TIAN SETTLERS OF CASTROVILLE AND CONTINUED TO BE A PRESENCE IN SAN ANTONIO. THIRDLY, THE BUILDING PROVIDES A CONNECTION TO THE EARLIEST HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING HELPED SET THE STANDARD FOR HOUSING WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY. PATTY ZZ, PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. AND IT'S THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE AVAILABLE. YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM NOON. MR. CHAIRMAN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS JOSE GALLEGOS AND I RESIDE AT TWO 14 WEST ACADEMY IN DISTRICT FIVE, THE HEART OF THE WEST SIDE. UH, I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, THE OWNER, UH, MR. HECTOR UB BONDO, WHO RECENTLY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY. AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I, UH, LIKE TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND CERTAINLY ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, IS VERY COMPLIMENTARY, UH, TO THIS PROPERTY AND TO THIS STRUCTURE. HOWEVER, UH, I MUST, UH, TAKE ISSUE WITH THE FINDINGS OR THE RECOMMENDATION, I SHOULD SAY, UH, PARDON ME, UH, OF CITY STAFF. UH, THIS PROPERTY, UM, I'VE DISCOVERED HAS SEVERAL DISCREPANCIES. UH, AS FAR AS THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME. I'D LIKE TO PRESENT, UH, SOME PHOTOGRAPHS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND, UH, AND ATTENTION. AND, UH, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER INDICATES THAT, UH, MR. WYNETTE, UH, NOT ONLY, UH, WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IN FACT THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT, UH, FOR HIM TO LIVE IN. WELL, UH, AND THEY [01:25:01] INDICATE, UH, THAT IT WAS BUILT APPROXIMATELY 1909. UH, I'VE DISCOVERED THAT HE WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AND IN FACT, THE STRUCTURE, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1910. OKAY. MR. WYNETTE, HOWEVER, DID NOT LIVE FOR AN EXTENSIVE PERIOD OF TIME, AND CERTAINLY, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO, UH, HIS HISTORY IN THE COMMUNITY AND IN THE AREA, UH, I DON'T FEEL THAT, UH, THIS SPEAKS TO THE VALIDITY, UH, OF THE HISTORICAL, UH, SIGNIFICANCE. UM, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF, UH, WE CAN MAYBE PUT ON, UH, PHOTOGRAPH NUMBER ONE PLEASE. AND THEY'RE IN ORDER. OKAY. UH, UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE NOT, UH, AS I HAVE PROVIDED THEM IN, UH, UH, I THINK IN A COLOR FORMAT, BUT THIS IS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. UH, THIS IS EXTREME REAR OF THE PROPERTY FACING NORTH. UH, THIS OTHER SIDE HERE IS THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY FACING NORTHWEST. PICTURE TWO, PLEASE. UH, IF YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, THE DIFFERENCE HERE IN THE STRUCTURE, UH, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL, UH, SUPPOSEDLY, UM, UH, ELECTRICAL BOX THAT WAS THERE. UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT SOME, UH, ROOF DAMAGE, EXTENSIVE ROOF DAMAGE HAS OCCURRED. NUMBER THREE. AND IF YOU COULD FLIP IT, PLEASE. OKAY. THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, UH, PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN FROM THE WEST SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, FACING EAST. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY THE MIDDLE OF THE STRUCTURE. UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THE ROOF, UH, EASEMENT AND SO FORTH. I'D LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT WINDOW, THAT A ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT IN FACT, DID NOT EXIST BACK IN 1909 OR 1910, OR PROBABLY NOT EVEN IN 1945. SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE NEXT PHOTOGRAPH, AND THAT IS, UH, PHOTOGRAPH OF THE, UH, ALSO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT, UH, AGAIN, THE WINDOW, ALUMINUM WINDOW, UH, ALUMINUM EX, UH, DOOR. AND THEN YOU HAVE, UH, TWO POSSIBLY, UH, UH, DATED WINDOWS, UH, MADE OUT OF WOOD CONSTRUCTION. YOU'LL NOTICE ALSO THE DIFFERENCE IN THE MATERIAL AND IN THE CONSTRUCTION. NEXT PHOTOGRAPH, PLEASE, AND PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. THANK YOU. UH, AGAIN, ANOTHER, THIS IS ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH FACING, UH, EAST, ANOTHER PART, ANOTHER ADDITION, UH, TO THE PROPERTY OR TO THE HOUSE THAT WA THAT SHOWS AGAIN, THE ALUMINUM, UH, WINDOWS. ONE MORE PHOTOGRAPH, PLEASE. NOW, UH, THEY SPOKE OF THE, UH, THE BEAUTIFUL PORCH. WELL, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I BEG AGAIN TO DIFFER WITH THE CITY STAFF. THIS, IN FACT, UH, WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL, UH, PORCH TO THE PROPERTY. UH, THIS IS IN FACT THE STEPS LEADING UP TO THE PROPERTY. UH, NEXT PHOTOGRAPH, THIS IS, YOU CAN SEE, AND YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE PORCH THERE. UH, THAT IS THE, UH, CORNER, UH, COLUMN. UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT, UH, IT IS SEPARATED FROM THE STRUCTURE AND THE SKIRTING OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, HOME. UH, NOW ALL THAT PORCH IS MADE OUT OF CEMENT, CEMENT. I DON'T BELIEVE THE PORCHES WERE CONSTRUCTIVE, UH, UH, WITH CEMENT AT THAT TIME. UH, IT HAS GONE UNDER CONSIDERABLE CONSTRUCTION. UH, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE, UH, CEMENT SKIRTING IN THE BACK. UH, YOU'LL SEE A WINDOW THERE. NEXT PHOTO, PLEASE. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE INTERIOR. I'D LIKE TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE, UH, THAT WINDOW. NOW, THAT WINDOW IS THE ORIGINAL, UH, UH, EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY. AND YOU NOTICE THAT, THAT SINCE THEN, IT WAS ADDED ON. NEXT PHOTOGRAPH AGAIN, [01:30:01] UH, THE ENTIRE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, IS A SUSPENDED CEILING, UH, WITH THAT MATERIAL THAT, AGAIN, IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH ANY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. NEXT PHOTO. THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE ROOMS, UH, ADDITIONS. THAT WAS, THAT WAS DONE. THERE WAS THREE, POSSIBLY FOUR, UH, ADDITIONS THAT WERE DONE TO THIS PROPERTY. OKAY. SO THE VERY ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS VERY SMALL, UH, IN MY, UH, SITE REVIEWS. AND THANK YOU MR. CARPENTER FOR JOINING US ON A SITE REVIEW AT ONE TIME. UH, UNFORTUNATELY ON THAT VISIT, UH, HE WAS NOT ABLE TO GO INSIDE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. BUT, UH, I'VE, I'VE VISITED THE PROPERTY, I'VE EXAMINED IT. I'VE HAD, UH, BOTH ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS, UH, REVIEW THE PROPERTIES AND, AND PREPARE TO PROVIDE, UM, REPORTS, UNFORTUNATELY, DID NOT HAVE PREPARED FOR TODAY'S, UH, UH, HEARING. ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW ANOTHER, UH, ADDITION, ANOTHER ROOM THAT WAS ADDED. YOU NOTICE THE PANELING THERE. THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, A ROOM THAT YOU CAN SEE. IT IS CARPETED ALL THE, THE, THE SUBFLOOR. UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT LEVELED. UH, IF YOU WALK, YOU BASICALLY ARE COMPROMISED AND YOU WALK DOWN TO, UH, UH, ALMOST, UH, IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL, PROBABLY WALK OUT THOSE WINDOWS THERE. NEXT PHOTOGRAPH. AGAIN, THIS IS THE AC AND I'D LIKE TO BRING ATTENTION AGAIN TO THE, UH, THE, THE, THE CEILING THAT WAS DONE THERE. OKAY. THE PANELS NEXT PHOTOGRAPH. THIS IS AN, UH, AGAIN, UH, SOME OF THE DEBRIS THAT HAS FALLEN OFF OF THE CEILINGS. UH, THE ENTIRE, UH, INTERIOR, UH, THE CEILING, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, COMPROMISED. NEXT PHOTOGRAPH. NOW, THIS IS THE EXTERIOR, UH, CITY STAFF SPEAKS OF, UH, THE DETACHED STRUCTURES. WELL, THIS IS ONE OF THE DETACHED STRUCTURES THAT THEY SPEAK OF. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT TREE HAS, UH, FALLEN, UH, OVER AND, AND, UH, IS COMPROMISED THE, THE ENTIRE ROOF. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE CONDEMNED FOR ALL INTENT AND PURPOSES. NEXT PHOTOGRAPH. THIS IS ANOTHER STRUCTURE THAT IS IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. UH, IT, UH, AGAIN, IT IS UNINHABITABLE. UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THE ROOF IS COMPROMISED AS WELL. UH, NEXT PHOTOGRAPH. NOW, UH, THIS AREA HAS UNDERGONE A TREMENDOUS, UH, CHANGE IN ITS DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU ARE ALL WELL AWARE OF, UH, DIRECTLY NORTHWEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, YOU HAVE THESE NEW, UH, NEW UNITS. THESE ARE 14, UH, CONDOS THAT WERE BUILT. AGAIN, NOT EVEN A HUNDRED FEET AWAY. NEXT PHOTO, ANOTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS, UH, TAKEN PLACE IN THIS AREA. UH, AGAIN, UH, THAT'S ON PERA AND LOTUS. NEXT PHOTOGRAPH, NEW CONSTRUCTION. IF YOU CAN BLOW IT UP OR, OR MAYBE, UH, ZOOM IN ON IT. OKAY. IF YOU'LL ZOOM UP A LITTLE BIT. 1226 FOR SALE. BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT IS UNDERGOING IN THIS AREA HERE. NOW, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, MY CONTENTION THAT, UH, THIS AREA, UH, IS CERTAINLY IN TRANSITION. NEXT PHOTOGRAPH, PLEASE. ANOTHER, UH, PROPERTY. UH, THEY'RE ON LOTUS. THAT IS ABANDONED. OKAY. THIS IS TWO PROPERTIES FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT'S BEEN ABANDONED. YOU'LL NOTICE THE, UH, UH, THE FOUNDATION NEXT PHOTOGRAPH, PLEASE. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UH, AGAIN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I, UH, TEND TO DIFFER WITH THE CITY RECOMMENDATION. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE DESIGNATION [01:35:01] AS THE HISTORIC, UH, UH, POTENTIAL SITE. UH, HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY APPROXIMATELY, I'M GONNA SAY SIX MONTHS AGO, MORE OR LESS, WHEN HE, WHEN IT FINALLY, UH, UH, WAS CLOSED ON HIS INTENTIONS. HIS ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO REHAB THE PROPERTY AND MAKE IT INTO, UH, A HOMESTEAD FOR SOMEONE. UH, EITHER PUT IT ON THE MARKET AND SELL IT OR, UH, RENT IT OUT, LEASE IT OUT TO, UH, A YOUNG COUPLE THAT WAS MAYBE STARTING A FAMILY. UH, SO THAT WAS HIS ORIGINAL INTENT. ONCE HE, UM, GOT CONTRACTORS INVOLVED, UH, THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND ASSESSMENTS AND DISCOVERED THAT IT WAS COST PROHIBITIVE. THIS STRUCTURE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, IT CERTAINLY COMPROMISED AGAIN, UH, NOT ONLY THOSE TWO, UH, DETACHED STRUCTURES NEED TO BE CONDEMNED, BUT THE, UH, THE HOUSE AS WELL, I DID NOT BRING TOO MANY PHOTOS OF THE ROOF. THE ROOF IS COMPROMISED, THE FOUNDATION IS COMPROMISED, THE WIRING, THE PLUMBING, ALL THAT, UH, IS GONNA NEED TO BE, UH, REHABBED AND REDONE COMPLETELY. NOW, UH, THAT'S ACCORDING TO SOME ESTIMATES THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM PROFESSIONAL LICENSE, UH, BOTH, UH, ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS. THEY'RE INDICATING THAT, UH, PROBABLY $300,000 WORTH OF CONSTRUCTION COST, UH, FOR REHAB IN THIS PROPERTY. UH, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT PREPARED, UH, OR IN A POSITION TO, UH, MAKE THAT SUBSTANTIAL, UH, INVESTMENT IN A REHAB OF A PROPERTY. NOW, WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO ONCE HE DISCOVERED THAT, UH, IT WAS NOT, UH, HABITABLE AND WAS NOT HABITABLE, UH, WAS TO IN FACT, UH, DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY. UH, HE CAME IN WITH, UH, FULL DISCLOSURE AND APPLIED FOR A DEMOLITION, UH, PERMIT IN KEEPING WITH, UH, THE POLICIES AND THE ORDINANCES OF CITY. UH, AT THAT TIME IS WHEN IT RAISED THE FLAG AS A POSSIBLE DEMOLITION, AND THAT'S WHEN THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE HISTORIC OFFICE, UH, BECAME INVOLVED IN THE CASE. UH, HIS INTENTION AND PLAN AT THIS POINT IS TO CONSTRUCT, UH, APARTMENTS. UH, RIGHT NOW, THE ZONING PERMITS FOUR APARTMENTS. UH, HE'S LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DOING TWO, MAYBE FOUR, WHICHEVER THE ZONING PERMITS, UH, TO DO, UH, FIRST CLASS APARTMENTS. THAT WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH, UH, AGAIN, UM, THE AREA AND, UH, UH, AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CERTAINLY RESPECTING THE PRESERVATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. SO, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY, UH, MY PRESENTATION IN OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE. I JUST PRAY THAT, UH, YOU'LL SEE, UH, TWO, UH, MAKE AN FAIR AND REASONABLE, UH, AND PRACTICAL, UH, DECISION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, UM, SINCE YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE, THE OWNER IN THIS CASE, AND, AND YOU SAY THAT HE PURCHASED IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OF BASICALLY RE REHABILITATING THE EXISTING HOUSE AND TURN, YOU KNOW, RETAINING IT AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WAS THERE AND INSPECTION DONE OF THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO HIS PURCHASE? UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS NOT. UH, AND, UH, TO THE OWNER'S, UH, DISCREDIT, HE DID NOT DO HIS DUE DILIGENCE. I DID NOT COME INTO THE, THE PICTURE AND THE, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE PURCHASING OF THE PROPERTY, BUT I'D BE THE FIRST ONE, AND I'VE TOLD THEM. SO, UH, AT THE, AT THE RISK OF BEING FIRED FROM MY CLIENT, I, I TOLD HIM THAT, THAT, UH, IN FACT, UH, HE MADE A BAD, UH, A BAD PURCHASE, UH, WITHOUT DOING AN INSPECTION, AS YOU SAY. UH, HE SAW IT AS A, UH, UH, AGAIN, A, A GOOD INVESTMENT AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY DID NOT DO HIS DUE DILIGENCE WHEN THE, WHEN THE PROPERTY, I'M SORRY, LOOKING DOWN THERE. GO AHEAD. I'M, I'M SORRY. UM, ED, UH, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND PULL UP, UM, SOME IMAGES? I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE SAME HOUSE. IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, THE LOTUS, UH, 2, 2 1 4 LOTUS ON ZILLOW, ON GOOGLE. IF YOU CAN DO THAT FOR ME. THERE'S, UH, AN AD FOR THIS THAT SHOWS SOME IMAGES OF THE INTERIOR, AND I JUST [01:40:01] WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME INTERIOR THAT WE WERE SEEING PICTURES OF. AGAIN, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW. I'LL BE HAPPY TO, I JUST WANNA REMIND OUR COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE HERE TO, UH, DEFINE IF THERE'S A HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. UH, ONCE WE DEFINE THAT THE OWNER HAS, CAN STILL, I MEAN, PUT IT IN A CASE FOR DEMOLITION WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, ECONOMIC, UH, HARDSHIP OR, YOU KNOW, HE IS GOT MANY CHOICES. I, I, UH, SUPPORT COMMISSIONER BOWMAN'S, UH, REQUEST FOR THOSE IMAGES BECAUSE, UM, I ACTUALLY TOOK A LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY TO PURCHASE IT BACK WELL, FEW MONTHS AGO. AND, UH, NOT ALL THE INTERIOR WAS REPRESENTED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE SAW HERE TODAY. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. IT WAS, I WAS SEEING A DIFFERENCE IN CEILING TYPES AND, AND, AND MILLWORK AND DOORS AND WINDOWS, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT THING. NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE ARE, UH, SIR. AND I, AND AGAIN, I AM, I AM VERY, VERY REGRETFUL THAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS NOT ABLE TO, TO DO, UH, A VISUAL INSPECTION OF THE INTERIOR BECAUSE HE WOULD IN FACT, BE ABLE TO SUBSTANTIATE, AND FOR THE RECORD AS WELL, UH, I EVEN EXTENDED AN INVITATION TO, UH, YOUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER TO COME OUT AND DO A SITE VISIT OF THE INTERIOR. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HAVE, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO TAKE IT TOUR OF THE INTERIOR? SIR, I'VE OF NOT ONLY WALK THE INTERIOR, UH, SEVERAL TIMES, UH, I'VE TAKEN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE TAKEN, SIR, UH, THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. OKAY. SO, UH, I INVITE ANY COMMISSIONER, WE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, MAYBE, UH, DELAY THE CASE, ANY, UH, RULING ON THE CASE, AND I INVITE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS OR WHOEVER'S AVAILABLE TO COME OUT AND COMPARE. UH, THAT IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION, THAT PHOTOGRAPH THAT WAS SHOWN ON GOOGLE MAP. I'D LIKE TO, UH, TO FIND OUT WHEN, UH, THAT THAT SHOT WAS DONE. UH, THE INTERIOR, SIR, THAT ONE, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WAS THAT DONE? UH, BECAUSE, AND AGAIN, REMEMBER THAT THIS IS, UH, THIS, PROBABLY THESE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE DONE FOR THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY, AND FOR ALL INTENT AND PURPOSES, MY CLIENT MAY HAVE BEEN MISLED INTO THINKING THAT THIS WAS, UH, IN FACT THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY. BUT I, UH, UH, I CHALLENGE YOU TO GO BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I PRODUCED AND COMPARE 'EM. UH, THEY'RE NOT, UH, UH, UH, DOCTOR COULD, STAFF COULD ADVANCE THROUGH THE, THE REST OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE, I JUST WANNA SAY THERE WAS, OH, NO, I'M SORRY, WRONG. I MEAN, THERE WAS A SPIKE IN THE PROPERTY VALUE FROM 2016 TO 17. I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE WAS A SALE, MAYBE THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WAS, CAN I ASK WHEN THE HOUSE, UH, WAS LAST OCCUPIED? YES, SIR. UH, THE HOUSE WAS AC OCCUPIED. AS A MATTER OF FACT. UH, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, PURCHASED IT IN 1998. THERE WERE, HAS BEEN IN FACT, UH, 13 OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. OKAY. AND THE LAST PROPERTY, UH, OWNER PRIOR TO MR. UB BANGO, UH, WHO'S A CURRENT OWNER, UH, HE PURCHASED IT IN 1998. OKAY. BUT, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, UNLESS, UNLESS THEY, UH, THEY HAVE A DOUBLE STANDARDS, UH, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS PHOTOGRAPH WAS TAKEN, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S JUST, I MEAN, THIS, BUT WHEN WAS THE TREE CUT DOWN? WHEN WERE ALL THE TREES CUT DOWN, I GUESS IS A BETTER WAY TO ASK THAT QUESTION. THOSE TREES WERE CUT DOWN, I BELIEVE, PRIOR TO THE OWNER PURCHASING THE PROPERTY, SIR. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, SOME OF THOSE TREES WERE, WERE, UH, UH, I ASKED THAT QUESTION FOR TWO REASONS, BECAUSE THE ROOF OF THE STRUCTURE DID NOT HAVE AS MUCH, UH, DAMAGE UNTIL THESE TREES VERY RECENTLY CAME DOWN. WELL, UH, AGAIN, SIR, I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT PHOTOGRAPH WAS TAKEN. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT PHOTOGRAPH WAS TAKEN TO. UH, IT SAYS COPYRIGHT 2018. I BEG TO DIFFER THAT IT WAS DONE IN 2018, MAYBE 2018 WAS WHEN IT WAS REPRODUCED. BUT, UH, UH, AGAIN, I CHALLENGE, UH, AND INVITE RESPECTFULLY ANY COMMISSIONER TO COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, UH, THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY. UH, IF YOU'LL GO BACK TO SOME OF THAT, UH, SHOW 'EM THAT ONE, PLEASE. THE, THE TREES APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN THERE IN MARCH OF 2019. SORRY. THE, THE TREES APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN ON SITE IN MARCH OF 2019. HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UH, AFTER THAT, SIR, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT TIME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE, UH, IN FACT, UH, WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TEARING DOWN OF THE TREES, OR IT WAS DONE PRIOR TO HIM, UH, OCCUPYING THE PROPERTY. I KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY WAS VACANT AS [01:45:01] MR. CARPENTER CAN ATTEST TO, BECAUSE I BELIEVE HE WAS, UH, UH, SOMEHOW INVOLVED IN, IN, OR INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTY AND THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY. SO, UH, MAYBE HE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT INTO THAT AND MAYBE SOME OF MY COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO SITE VISIT THIS, BUT, UM, THIS TO ME LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART OF THAT ADDITION, WHICH IS IN THE BACK, WHICH IS A NON HISTORIC RIGHT. I WAS PART, WE KNOW THAT FROM THE REPORT FROM STAFF THAT THAT WAS ADDED ON LATER. THAT'S CORRECT. SO MAYBE THAT COULD BE THE PART THAT'S KIND OF DAMAGED. THAT'S ALSO THE, THE SECTION THAT WE SEE WITH THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT THE, UH, WELL, THAT WE WERE PRESENTED WITH. SO, UM, IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE, UH, ITEMS THAT, UH, STAFF HAS PRESENTED TO US TO MAKE A HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, UH, FROM, UH, THE WEST LOOKING EAST. THAT IS THE, UH, EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY. YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT, UH, STRUCTURES THERE THAT IS LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY. UH, THE PHOTOGRAPH ON TOP IS LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, UH, FROM THE REAR. THAT IS THE, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER. THAT'S THE EXTERIOR DOOR, UH, OVER HERE. THAT'S THE BOTTOM PHOTOGRAPH IS THAT, UH, AND I'M SORRY THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, UH, UH, DATE STAMP ON THAT PHOTOGRAPH, UH, BECAUSE IT WOULD THEN, UH, MAYBE SPEAK TO THE, THAT TREE THAT IT, THAT YOU'LL SEE THERE. BUT THAT, THAT PHOTOGRAPH IS LOOKING AT THE, UH, THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH WAS TAKEN FROM THE, UH, SOUTHEAST LOOKING, UH, IF, IF I MAY, UH, INTERRUPT FOR A MOMENT HERE AND JUST GIVE A KIND OF A, A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, COMMENTS FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO, UM, FOR THE SITE VISIT THAT I JOINED JESSICA ON, UM, WE DID INDEED WALK AROUND THE PERIMETER. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE, UH, KEYS COULD NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR US TO GO INTO THE INTERIOR, UH, TO CONFIRM ITS CONDITION ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY. UM, I OBSERVED THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ADDITIONS TO THE, THE BUILDING THAT HAVE BEEN DONE OVER TIME. AND SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IN THEIR OWN RIGHT, BUT IN MOST PART, THEY SEEM TO BE, UH, PRETTY DETERIORATED IN ADDING TO THE DETERIORATION OF THE, THE CORE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. UM, UH, THE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HAS SHOWN TODAY, AND THE ONES THAT STAFF HAS SHOWN WITH THIS, I THINK, DEMONSTRATE THAT THE STORY OF THIS PROPERTY CAN BE READILY, UH, TOLD AND IDENTIFIED THE CHANGES OVER TIME. IT'S, UH, WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN ALTERATIONS DONE, UH, SUCH AS THE, UH, THE, THE FRONT PORCH WITH THE CONCRETE, UH, UH, PUT IN PLACE OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY WOOD DECKING AND THAT SORT OF THING, IT'S THE COLUMNS, THE ROOF STRUCTURE, THE BEAMS, ALL THAT ARE STILL IN INTACT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF WAS REFERRING TO IN, IN THEIR WRITEUP WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THAT IMPORTANT QUEEN ANNE ELEMENT OF THE BUILDING. SO IN, IN KIND OF SUMMARY, I WOULD SAY YES, THIS BUILDING IS, IS, UH, SUFFERED SOME DETERIORATION THROUGH NEGLECT. AND YES, IT HAS, UH, UH, LAYERS OF, OF ADDITIONS ON IT THAT ARE DOING IT NO FAVOR. BUT I THINK THERE IS ENOUGH OF HISTORICAL INTEGRITY HERE THAT THERE IS SOME PROMISE TO, TO BRING THIS BACK THROUGH A, UH, PRETTY, UH, EXTENSIVE REHABILITATION PLAN. AND THAT MAY NOT BE THE, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR OWNER'S INTENT, BUT, UH, IT IS, UH, UH, CERTAINLY ELIGIBLE FOR, UH, A CONCERTED EFFORT IN THAT FACT. I WOULD AGREE WITH STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE IS ENOUGH, UM, HISTORIC FABRIC HERE AND, UM, HISTORY TO THE STRUCTURE THAT, UH, IT SERVES, UH, A FINDING OF SIGNIFICANCE EVEN WITH THE ADDITIONS AND, UH, PROBLEMS IT HAS. THERE IS ENOUGH OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE HERE THAT, UH, SPEAKS TO THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I WOULD AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ADD A MOTION. I, I CAN APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO HAVE ADDITIONAL EYES ON THIS BE BEFORE MAKING A DECISION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, MY, I AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONERS THAT IT MEETS AT LEAST THREE OTHER CRITERIA, CRITERIA AND I AGREE WITH STAFF. HOWEVER, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONERS TO WALK THE SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING COMPLETELY BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REFER THIS TO THE D R C FOR SITE VISIT. [01:50:01] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL SECOND THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE BEEN ALREADY ONE D R C AND SITE VISIT AND THE KEYS WERE NOT AVAILABLE. SO THIS WOULD BE LIKE, MAYBE LIKE A ONE TIME OFFER, OR, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN, WELL, I MEAN, THIS ISSUE ISN'T GONNA GO AWAY, SO THIS COMMISSION WILL TAKE ACTION ON IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO IF WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE A D R C AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON HERE, AND IT, IT REMOVES ANY QUESTIONS AS THIS PRO PROCESS GOES FORWARD, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST FOR THE APPLICANT IN THAT INSTANCE THAT WE REVISIT THE SITE. SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER. I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. I'LL OPPOSED SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. STAFF WILL, UH, ARRANGE FOR ANOTHER, UH, SITE VISIT WITH YOU AND, UH, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF WILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET INSIDE. CERTAINLY, I'VE MADE, AGAIN, UH, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE THAT I'VE MADE THAT, UH, INVITATION IN THE PAST. SO, UH, IT'S BEEN AVAILABLE. WE WANT, UH, TO BE THERE TO BE FULL DISCLOSURE, UH, AND THAT'S WHY I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONERS FISH FISH'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND MOTION. SO THEY, IT WILL BE AVAILABLE. UH, I WILL PERSONALLY HAVE THE KEY AND I CAN BE THERE IN 15 MINUTES. HOW'S THAT [B-14 19-6189 Address/Description: 335 TRAIL HDRC Case No.: 2018-533 Historic District Name: River Road RIO District: RIO-1 Applicant: Mark Odom Studio Request: Construction of a multi-family residential development City Council Dist.: 1] AGENDA ITEM B 14 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 5 33 3 35 TRAIL, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE VACANT LOT LOCATED AT 3 35 TRAIL. THE PROPERTY FEATURES LOTS THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY ONLY, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN BOTH THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO FEATURE TWO AND THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT. ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE PROVIDED FROM TRAIL STREET AND WESTAD STREET. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING Q, WHICH NOTES THE INCLUSION OF STREET FACING, FRONT LOADED GARAGE DOORS AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT IS NOT PRESENT WITHIN THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. SETH FINDS THIS DETAIL TO BE INAPPROPRIATE AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FINDS THE SUBMITTED DESIGN TO BE APPROPRIATE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED SMALL SQUARE WINDOWS FOUND IN BATHROOMS BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE BOTH THE SIZE AND PROFILE THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT WHEN LOCATED ON PRIMARY FACADES, OR WERE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AS NOTED IN FINDING M TWO THAT THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN SHOULD OUTLINE THE STEPS TAKEN TO PROTECT THE ASAKIA THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION. MOREOVER, THE FORMAL CONSTRUCTION PLAN SHOULD IDENTIFY NO SUBSURFACE WORK, INCLUDING UTILITIES OR GRADING WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE EXTENDED ASAKIA AND FIELD PROTECTION OF THE ASAKIA SHOULD INCLUDE ORANGE, SHOULD INCLUDE ORANGE CONSTRUCTION, FENCING, AND SILT FENCING AT, AT A BUFFER DISTANCE OF FIVE FEET FROM THE FEATURE. NO CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES WILL OCCUR WITHIN THE BUFFER AREA. THIS FENCING SHOULD BE PRESENT ON SITE UNTIL CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED. AS STATED PREVIOUSLY, THE ASAKIA SHALL NOT BE USED FOR STORM WATER DRAINAGE. FURTHERMORE, THE ASAKIA SHALL NOT BE USED FOR, FOR STORAGE, EQUIPMENT CLEANING, OR ANY OTHER USE DURING DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN IMPACT THE FEATURE. THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE PORCHES OR DISTINCT ENTRANCE ELEMENTS IS NOTED IN FINDING P FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS THAT FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A C CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM OR LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP, AND A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH. IF A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP IS USED, IT MUST BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. STIPULATION FIVE IS IN REGARDS TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WINDOWS, ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS WITH STAFF SPECIFICATIONS. SIX, THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW AT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH ALL TRANSPORTATION AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS REGARDING EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS, AUTOMOBILE ACCESS, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, AND PARKING IN EIGHT. IN REGARDS TO ARCHEOLOGY, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED. THE UPPER LABOR SEIA SHALL BE PRESERVED AND SHALL NOT BE IMPACTED BY NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE ARCHEOLOGICAL SCOPE OF WORK SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE O H P ARCHEOLOGIST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION. THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL [01:55:01] FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY. STAFF HAS GENERAL CONCERN ABOUT THE SENSITIVITY OF THE SITE AND THE IMPACTS OF CONSTRUCTION TO THE ASSIA. DETAILED CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN SHALL BE DEVELOPED AND PROVIDED PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL. THAT INCLUDES THE LIMITS OF CONSTRUCTION AND PROXIMITY TO THE HISTORIC ASAKIA AND MEASURES TAKEN TO MITIGATE POTENTIAL IMPACTS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. THE U D C SECTION 35 6 72 DOES NOT ALLOW DRAINAGE INTO THE ASAKIA BELOW. THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FOUNDATION INSPECTION PRIOR TO THE POURING OF ANY FOUNDATION, THE REQUIREMENT FOR A ROOFING INSPECTION PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF ANY METAL METAL ROOFING MATERIALS. UM, SO WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT UP AT THIS TIME FOR A PRESENTATION. UM, AFTER THAT WE'LL HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. SO IT'S THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT APPROACH THE PODIUM. THANK YOU AUDI. I'M DAVID MORIN WITH M AND O PARTNERS. I'M MARY MICHAEL GLASSELL WITH MARK ODOM STUDIO, THE ARCHITECT. AND I'M MARK BADILLO WITH MP STUDIO LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. WE HAVE REVIEWED THIS CASE IN THE PAST AND HAD SEVERAL D R C MEETINGS. UH, IF YOU'LL JUST ADDRESS SPECIFIC, UM, STAFF, UH, COMMENTS AND THEN, UM, WE'LL HEAR FROM CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, AND THEN WE'LL GET QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. SURE. SO THE NEXT SLIDE WILL BE ADDRESSING, UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS, BUT JUST THIS IS A LITTLE OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORY OF OUR, OUR MEETINGS WITH THE D R C AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UM, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO, UH, LISTEN TO A LOT OF INPUT AND WE REALLY FEEL LIKE OUR PROJECT HAS REALLY BENEFITED FROM THIS PROCESS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, EDWARD. SO REGARDING THE, UM, THE, I GUESS THE NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL DUE TO THE FRONT FACING GARAGES, UH, WE HAD A, I THINK IT WAS OUR SECOND D R C MEETING. WE HAD SOME NEIGHBORS PRESENT. WE DISCUSSED WITH THE D R C MEMBERS. UH, SO JUST THERE'S AN EXCERPT FROM OUR, UM, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL LETTER THAT, UH, SHOWS THAT, UM, RIBBON DRIVEWAYS ON TRAIL WERE APPROPRIATE AND THAT GARAGE DOORS FRONTING TRAIL WERE NOT A CONCERN. UM, THIS, THIS WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THAT TRAIL STREET ACTUALLY HAS FRONT FACING GARAGES ON THE OTHER SIDE. UM, SO THAT WAS NOT REALLY A, AN ISSUE WITH THE NEIGHBORS, NOR I THINK THE D R C. AND THEN I WILL HAVE MARY MICHAEL, UH, ADDRESS THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS. UH, I'LL RUN THROUGH THE OTHER FOUR AND THEN LET MARK, WE'RE GONNA ALL GO IN TANDEM. I SUPPOSE THE OTHER FOUR THAT ARE CITED, WE ARE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH THE SMALL SQUARE WINDOWS FOUND IN THE BATHROOMS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM ANY VISIBLE LOCATION FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL CERTAINLY BE SUBMITTED. I'LL HAVE MARK SPEAK MORE TOWARDS OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RIVER AUTHORITY THIS WEEK. THE, UM, PORCHES ARE DIS UH, DISTINCT, I THOUGHT THE DISTRICT DISTINCT ELEMENTS. WE GOT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON MONDAY AND UPDATED SOME RENDERINGS THAT WE CAN TALK THROUGH OF OUR CHANGES FOR THAT PARTICULAR ELEMENT. SO WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT. AND THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, CERTAINLY HAPPY TO COMPLY. I'LL LET MARK PADILLA TALK ABOUT THEIA. UM, UH, I THINK MAYBE ON THE EXHIBIT FOR THE SITE WORK PLAN, WE WOULD SHOW WHERE THE ASSIA IS LOCATED, UM, HERE ON THE FAR, UM, RIGHT SIDE EAST. AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE STAYING AWAY FROM THAT FOR, FOR THE REQUIRED, UH, AMOUNT OF DISTANCES THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN NOTED. UM, IN ADDITION, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, BUFFERING IT WITH A, UH, DECOMPOSED GRANITE THAT WOULD BE NON-COMP, UH, JUST TO HAVE AS KIND OF A, UH, A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, UM, FROM, UH, FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS WELL. UM, SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF SHOWING WHERE THE ASAKI IS AND DISTANCE THAT WE'RE STAYING AWAY FROM IT FOR, UH, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION. I THINK ALSO JUST THE STORM MANAGEMENT PLAN. [02:00:01] OUR CIVIL AND LANDSCAPE ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW THAT WE MET WITH THE RIVER AUTHORITY ON MONDAY AND THERE'S DISCUSSIONS TO BE CONSIDERED PART OF A LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO ALL WE CAN TO KIND OF DEVELOP THIS MATERIAL PALETTE FOR THE PERVIOUS LOCATIONS AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR RETENTION. AND IF WE NEED TO ADD DETENTION, WE CERTAINLY ARE WILLING TO DO SO. UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, COULD YOU BRIEFLY, UM, RUN THROUGH THE RENDERINGS AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE ADDRESSED SOME OF THE DRCS CONCERNS SUCH AS, UM, ROOF OVERHANGS AND EVE CONDITIONS. YES, CERTAINLY. I WASN'T SURE OF THE ORDER OF EVENTS. THESE RENDERINGS SHOW. WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS KIND OF CREATE A DISTINCT ENTRY MASSING BY INTRODUCING BRICK PLANTERS THAT ARE THE SAME MATERIAL FOUND ON THE LOWER FLOOR OF ALL THE, ALL OF ALL STRUCTURES. THESE WILL, OF COURSE FEATURE A PLANTING BEDS FOR EACH UNIT. THE EVE OVERHANGS WE'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW A 12 INCH EAVE. WE WILL CONTINUE TO DETAIL THAT, UM, WITHIN OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT PACKAGE, BUT HAPPY TO INCLUDE EVES ON ALL STRUCTURES AT ALL LOCATIONS. WE CAN SHOW THIS NEXT SLIDE. EDWARD, THIS IS A, ANOTHER SHOT THAT JUST SHOWS AGAIN THE PORCH ELEMENTS. THIS IS TRAIL STREET IN PARTICULAR. SO PORCHES, UM, GUESS MORE TO THE LEFT. UH, ENTRY AWNINGS HERE TO THE RIGHT ON THE UNIT ON THE FURTHEST RIGHT, THIS WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE TO THE WALKING TRAIL AS WELL, WHICH IS THE NON COMPRESSED DG GRANITE. AND THE NEXT SLIDE WOULD BE A SATCH SHOT HERE. ALSO SHOWING THEN THE EAVES. AGAIN, WITH THESE MORE DEFINED PORCH ELEMENTS, WE REALLY ARE, UM, ENJOYING BRINGING THE BRICK FORWARD. WE THINK IT GIVES BOTH KIND OF A BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENT, BUT ALSO TIES IN KIND OF OUR LOWER MASS AND THEN OFFERS A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES FOR LANDSCAPE OR VEGETATION. I THINK YOU COULD GO, THESE ARE THE THREE THAT WE UPDATED FROM WHAT YOU WOULD'VE BEEN GIVEN. I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME. THIS IS OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN AND A FEW RENDERINGS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE INITIAL PROPOSAL HERE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR OUR COMMON SPACES. AGAIN, I CAN CERTAINLY LET MARK SPEAK MORE TOWARDS THIS, BUT I THINK THAT THE, THE THEME OF THIS PROJECT IS CERTAINLY HOW CAN WE TAKE A TOWN HOME TYPOLOGY, WHICH IS TYPICALLY MUCH LARGER AND MAKE IT FEEL LIKE A TWO AND A HALF STORY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT THAT HAS COMMON AMENITIES THAT, THAT KIND OF PARALLEL THE IDEA OF A YARD OR A BACKYARD OR A FRONT YARD, AND CREATE THIS TYPE OF, UM, CONDITION BOTH INTERNALLY. THIS IS IN BETWEEN BUILDINGS THREE AND FIVE, UM, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE KIND OF COMMON LAWN AREA. SO I THINK THAT THIS, AND I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE THAT SHOWS WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF AS A SMALL SCALE POOL AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS. THIS IS ALSO INTERNAL, KIND OF IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER, UM, RIGHT THERE. CORRECT. MORE SHOTS. I THINK THAT, UM, WE WERE GONNA ASK THE COMMISSION TODAY TO TALK ABOUT WINDOWS. WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR FRAMING TRIM. UM, UH, WE JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER ALLOWING US TO USE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, SOLID ALUMINUM INSTEAD OF JUST ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS. AND SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT FROM WHAT I GATHER AFTER THE NEIGHBORS SPEAK. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. SURE. UM, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE. HELLO, MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 9 91 18 FAIRLAND SAN ANTONIO. I'M DOING THIS FOR THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY. CONCURS WITH O H P STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPOSAL CONTAINS NUMEROUS DESIGN ELEMENTS INCONSISTENT WITH THOSE PRESENT IN THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CURRENT DESIGN ALSO FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ARTICULATED IN THE CITY'S HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AS A RESULT. THANK YOU. SAN ANTONIO, CONSERVATION SOCIETY, CONSERVATION SOCIETY, PATTY SCIENCE PRESIDENT RALEIGH WOOD. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RALEIGH WOOD. I LIVE AT 1 0 9 LINDELL IN THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'M ONE OF A GROUP OF RESIDENTS [02:05:01] OF RIVER ROAD HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS CONCERNS OVER THE TRAIL STREET PROJECT AND TO REQUEST THE PROJECT BE GIVEN, NOT BE GIVEN FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL THESE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. THE, UH, PROPOSED PROJECT SIDE IS LOCATED IN PART OF THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT ADJACENT TO THE, UH, 1776 LEBO AS SEIA AND THE 1780S. THEN BRANO HOME HAS ALSO ENCLOSED PROXIMITY TO DAVIS AND BRACKENRIDGE PARKS AND TO THE ONLY REMAINING NATURAL PORTION OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER IN THE CITY. UH, THIS IS A SENSITIVE AREA. REPRESENTATIVES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE MET WITH THE PROJECT DEVELOPER, MR. MORIN, ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS SINCE THE PROJECT WAS FIRST PROPOSED. HE HAS BEEN ACCESSIBLE. HE'S LISTENED TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS AND EXPRESSES THE DESIRE TO DEVELOP A QUALITY PROJECT FROM THESE CONVERSATIONS. SOME AREAS OF AGREEMENT REGARDING THE PROJECT HAVE OCCURRED TO INCLUDE OMITTING CURBS AND SIDEWALKS, LOWERING THE HEIGHT OF ONE OF THE SIX PROPOSED BUILDINGS FROM THREE STORIES TO TWO, AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF A WALKING PATH ALONG THE ASAKIA. HOWEVER, MR. MORIN HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN UNWILLING TO CONSIDER REDUCING THE OVERALL MASS AND SCALED THE PROJECT BY DECREASING THE NUMBER OF LIVING UNITS FROM 24. AND BY LOWERING THE HEIGHT OF MORE THAN THREE OF THE PROPOSED 24 UNITS FROM THREE STORIES TO TWO STORIES, WE BELIEVE REDUCTION IN MASS AND SCALE OF THIS PROJECT IS NEEDED TO BRING IT MORE IN LINE WITH HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CAN, WHICH CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 150 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR DUPLEXES, A MAJORITY OF WHICH ARE ONE STORY AND THREE, TWO STORY MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS. THE LARGEST OF THESE HAVING SEVEN UNITS. THE PROJECT, IF APPROVED AS PROPOSED WILL BE FELT. IT HAS A BUILDING FOOTPRINT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT COVERS OVER 50% OF THE SITE WITH IMPERVIOUS COVER. OVER 70% OF THE SITE. THIS WE BELIEVE WILL CREATE STORMWATER RUNOFF, WHICH WILL POSE A THREAT TO THE 1776 LABORA, SEIA, AND OTHER SURROUNDING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. IN CONCLUSION, IT'S OUR CONCERN THAT THE PROJECT PRESENTED TODAY IS TOO LARGE, UH, WHICH WILL PRESENT AND WILL PRESENT A POTENTIAL RISK TO, UH, THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. FOR THESE REASONS, WE REQUEST THAT YOU DENY FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME SO THAT THESE CONCERNS CAN BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU. MIFI MOORE. I'M MIFI MOORE. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD 6 0 3 RIVER ROAD, AND I WAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AFTER VIRGINIA. SOMEBODY SCRATCHED MY NAME OFF. UM, MY FRIEND IS IN LIVES IN CALIFORNIA THAT OWNS A PROPERTY AT 3 22 TRAIL. IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR, IN YOUR BOOK ON PAGE 35 OF 42, THE PICTURE THEY JUST SHOWED A FEW MINUTES AGO, IT SHOWS PEOPLE TROTTING UP AND DOWN THE STREET ON TRAIL. MY FRIEND THAT LIVES AT 3 22 TRAIL HAS TO GO DOWN TRAIL. SHE LIVES AT THE OPPOSITE, THE DEAD END IN YES, SHE LIVES AT THE DEAD END OF TRAIL. SHE WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE HER HOME TO GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COME BACK DOWN TRAIL IF THAT FIRST UNIT OR THE SECOND UNIT, OR THAT THE THIRD UNIT HAS A FIRE OR AN EMERGENCY, A FIRE ENGINE, AN AMBULANCE. IF YOU'LL, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, YOU WILL SEE THAT YOU CAN BARELY PUT TWO CARS PASSING EACH OTHER ON THAT STREET. IF THERE WAS AN AMBULANCE OR ANY KIND OF EMERGENCY VEHICLE DOWN THERE FOR A FIRE OR ANY OTHER KIND OF EMERGENCY, EMMY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF HER STREET. THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS DANGEROUS TO HUMAN LIFE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS HAVE NOT PUT AN ACCESS ROAD DOWN AT THE END OF TRAIL THAT WOULD GO OVER TO SATCH IF THEY WOULD PUT A DRIVEWAY OVER THERE SO THAT IF PEOPLE NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THERE WAS A FIRE OR AN EMERGENCY THAT COULD DRIVE DOWN NEAR THE ASAKIA AND GET OVER TO ATCH. SO WE ARE VERY OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AS IT'S PLANNED AND CONSIDER IT TO BE A HA HAZARD TO HUMAN LIFE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. UH, LARRY CLARK. MR. CLARK RECEIVED SIX MINUTES. MIMI QUINTANILLA YIELDED HER TIME. ONE, UH, 3 35. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE SERVICE THAT YOU ALL DO FOR THIS CITY. REALLY FOR, [02:10:01] I'M GONNA SPEAK QUICKLY 'CAUSE WE ONLY HAVE SIX MINUTES. THAT'S THE WAY THESE THESE GO. THANKS VERY MUCH. THE, UM, CONCERN THAT I'M GONNA BE TALKING TODAY ABOUT IS, UM, STORM WATER AND THE ASAA. UM, AND OUR GOAL HERE TODAY IS TO NOT HAVE THIS PROJECT FINALLY APPROVED. UM, WE HAVE CONCERNS. EACH ONE OF US IS ADDRESSING INDIVIDUAL CONCERNS, BUT THIS PROJECT IS NOT READY TO BE APPROVED. UM, NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION'S BEEN PROVIDED, AND THE PRO PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT IS NOT A PROBLEM OF THE SITE. IT'S A PROBLEM OF THE SITE DESIGN AND THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURES ON THIS SITE. OKAY. THE, UM, IT IS ADJACENT TO THE 1776 ERA HISTORIC ASAKIA, BUT THAT ASAKIA RUNS ENTIRELY ALONG THE EDGE OF THAT SITE. THE EXTENT PORTION OF THE ASAKIA, WHICH IS BEHIND MY HOUSE, IS A DITCH. THE REST OF THAT, UM, ASAKIA ALIGNMENT DOES EXTEND ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO ATCH CROSSES. ATCH GOES ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH DAVIS PARK AND TO THE VALERO AND UP TO THE HEADWATERS AT, UH, THE ZOO WHERE THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION OF OF DITCH THAT'S STILL, UH, EVIDENT. WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THE AKIA. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST, UH, FORM GIVING THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH RESPECT TO OUR STREET ALIGNMENT WITH, UH, THE WAY THINGS LAY OUT. IT'S AMAZING THAT IN 1776, GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS AT VALLEY FORAGE. HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, WE WERE PUTTING IN WATER WORKS FOR A, UH, A, A FARM PROJECT. UM, THE NATURAL RIVER IS 650 FEET AWAY AND IT AND WATER RUNS, UH, DOWN THIS DES WAY, WHICH WE HAVE HAD, UH, RESTORED, UM, TO GET TO THE RIVER THROUGH DAVIS PARK. UM, THERE'S MULTIPLE, UM, RECOGNITIONS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SASAKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THIS SITE PLAN SHOWS LIKE 70% IMPERVIOUS COVER, AND I THINK RIO CALLS FOR 50%. THE SITE GRADING PLAN ACTUALLY SHOWS WATER RUNNING OFF INTO THE ASSIA OF TRAIL STREET, THOUGH THE U D C SAYS, ASSIAS SHALL NOT BE USED FOR DRAINAGE. OKAY, THE ONLY THING I CAN FIND ON ANY, UH, CIVIL DRAWINGS OR ANY OF THE PLANS IS ACTUALLY A FOUR INCH PIPE ON THE LANDSCAPE DRAWINGS THAT, UM, SAYS CONNECT TO STORM DRAIN. BUT THERE IS NO STORM DRAIN ON THIS SITE. UM, THE, THE ONLY THING THAT THEY'VE SHOWN ON THIS DRAWING IS A, IS A ONE FOOT HIGH WALL THAT RUNS ALONG THE ASAKIA TO DIVERT WATER THAT RUNS OFF OF THE PROJECT. UM, CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, WATER FROM THERE IS GONNA RUN ONTO ATCH, RUN DOWN INTO DAVIS PARK UNDER THIS GREAT TREE WHERE WE ALL GATHER TO READ THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE ON 4TH OF JULY. IT'S GONNA HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THIS AREA. SO ONE OF THE FIRST CONSIDERATIONS IN THIS DESIGN PROCESS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD SITE ANALYSIS THAT RECOGNIZES GRADING AND DRAINAGE THAT APPARENTLY WASN'T DONE. THERE'S NO ADEQUATE CONSIDERATION OF THESE ISSUES. IT'S AN AFTERTHOUGHT. IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOW GOING BACK TO THE ATORY AND TRYING TO SQUEEZE IN SOME LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A LITTLE LATE IN THE GAME FOR THIS. AND, UH, THE PROBLEM IS THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S TOO DENSE AND YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND SQUEEZE THIS STUFF IN. SO, IN FACT, HERE'S THE DRAINAGE BASINS FOR THE PROJECT, UM, THAT I'VE DETERMINED JUST ROUGHLY. WE'VE GOT ABOUT 5,275 SQUARE FEET RUNNING DOWN TRAIL STREET DIRECTLY INTO THE ASA. THE OTHER THREE BASINS RUN AGAINST THIS LITTLE WALL THAT RUNS ALONG THE ASAKI TRAIL. AND IN A ONE AND A HALF INCH STORM EVENT, YOU'RE GONNA GET NEARLY 50,000 GALLONS RUNNING OFF, UM, FROM THIS SITE. OKAY? WITH 5,900 GALLONS GOING INTO THE ASA BEHIND MY HOUSE WHERE I CAN, IF, IF I HAD A HALF AN HOUR WITH YOU, I COULD SHOW YOU VIDEOS OF WHITEWATER RAPIDS IN THAT ASAKIA ALREADY. FROM THERE, IT GOES DOWN INTO THE PARK AND INTO THE RIVER. UM, A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AND GREEN SPACE DOWNSTREAM. UM, A LOT OF YOU MIGHT THINK THAT THIS ISN'T YOUR PURVIEW, THAT DRAINAGE IS SOMEBODY ELSE'S REVIEW PROBLEM. BUT WE SUBMIT THAT THIS IS AN HISTORIC ISSUE. THIS IS FOR H D R C, AND THAT THIS RUNOFF IS GONNA IMPACT THE ONLY PIECE OF THIS HISTORIC ASAKIA OUTSIDE OF THE ZOO. AND IT IS REALLY A STRONG PART OF OUR HERITAGE. AND WE REALLY ASK YOU TO, UM, THINK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS PLACE, HOW IT'S BEEN FORMED OVER TIME, AND WHAT THIS, THE SCALE OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA DO WITH RESPECT TO THAT PARK-LIKE SETTING THAT WE'VE GOT. THAT'S MY HOUSE ON THE UPPER LEFT, NEXT TO THE [02:15:01] ASA, NEXT TO THE COMMUNITY GARDEN AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARK. AND I INTEND TO DIE THERE. OKAY? SO, UH, LOOK AT THE PROJECT, LOOK AT THE SCALE OF IT. AND UH, AGAIN, THE PROBLEM IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH THIS SITE. IT'S A PROBLEM, PARDON ME, OF THE SITE DESIGN AND THE, UH, IMPACT OF THESE STRUCTURES ON THIS SITE. IT'S NOT READY FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THANK YOU. JOHN HERTZ. MR. HERTZ RECEIVED SIX MINUTES. GEORGE NASH HAS YIELDED HIS TIME. I'M SORRY, NINE MINUTES. PATRICIA PATCHETT ALSO YIELDED TIME IT AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JOHN HERTZ. UM, I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 1 25 ANASTASIA PLACE, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROJECT RIGHT ACROSS THE ASAKIA. UM, I'M AN ARCHITECT AND BUILDER AND A FORMER MEMBER OF H D R C BACK IN THE NINETIES. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. UM, YES, WE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ARE CONCERNED GREATLY ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND DO NOT FEEL IT IS READY FOR FINAL APPROVAL. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT FOUR ARCHITECTURAL ISSUES THAT I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT. UM, THEY ARE THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT, THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT, THE ISSUE OF THE WINDOWS OF THE PROJECT, AND FINALLY, THE PORCHES, THE DENSITY. UM, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S RELATIVELY SMALL. IT HAS, I THINK 129 HOUSES ON IT. UM, INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCE. UM, THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY CONSISTED OF EIGHT LOTS, UM, EACH WITH A HOUSE ON THEM THAT WAS PROBABLY 700 TO 900 SQUARE FEET. UM, THIS WILL ADD 24 UNITS TO THE MIX, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF ALMOST 20% OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS A MAJOR SURGE IN HOUSING STOCK. THE ORIGINAL HOUSES COMPRISED APPROXIMATELY 7,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING THIS PROJECT, INCLUDING THE GARAGES, UM, IS ALMOST 70,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS SOMETHING LIKE A 100, A 1000% INCREASE IN DENSITY AND SCALE. FINALLY, THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS EXCESSIVE, OR THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS ARE EXCESSIVE. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO EXCEED THE 50% GUIDELINE. THERE'S NO RATIONAL FOR IT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PRESENCE OF THE ASAKIA, THE ZAMBRANO HOUSE, AND ALL THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT BEFORE. UM, SECONDLY, ACCORDING TO THE TRANSPORTATION AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, THIS IMPERVIOUS COVER IS OVER 70% OF THE SITE, WHICH ALSO I BELIEVE EXCEEDS ANY GUIDELINES. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF DENSITY IS THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS SHOULD BE REDUCED, SOMETHING WE HAVE ASKED CONSISTENTLY OF THE DEVELOPER WITHOUT ANY, UM, POSITIVE, UH, RESULTS. SECONDLY, THE SCALE. LOOK, 95% OF THE HOUSES IN RIVER ROAD ARE ONE STORY. THERE ARE A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF TWO STORY BUILDINGS. THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF THREE STORY BUILDINGS THAT ARE 35 FEET HIGH, AND ONE TWO STORY BUILDING OF THREE UNITS THAT IS 28 FEET HIGH, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE HIGHER THAN THE U B C ALLOWS, UM, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO BE BUILT, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UM, EVEN THE TWO STORY BUILDING IS TALLER THAN ANYTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES ARE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS. IT SAYS, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THE HEIGHTENED SCALE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD NOT EXCEED THAT OF THE MAJORITY OF OUR STARK BUILDINGS BY MORE THAN ONE STORY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS THING, UM, HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO PROCEED AS A THREE STORY BUILDING WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE STORY. NOW, STAFF HAS MADE AN ARGUMENT THAT THE HOUSES THAT USED TO BE THE EIGHT HOUSES HAVE BEEN REMOVED, AND THEREFORE SOMEHOW THE CONTEXT HAS DISAPPEARED. BUT, HEY, THIS THING SITS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I [02:20:01] HAPPEN TO HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THE ROOF OF MY HOUSE IS APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET HIGH AT THE PEAK, AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS MONSTROUS THING THAT'S 28 TO 35 FEET TALL. THE SAME WITH LARRY CLARK. AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, YOU, THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION ASKED THE STAFF, I MEAN, ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO REDUCE THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THIS. CAN YOU POINT TO THIS TO REDUCE THAT BUILDING TO THREE TO TWO STORIES. SO WHAT DID THE DEVELOPER DO? HE DID A BAIT AND SWITCH. HE TOOK THE FIVE UNITS AND SLID THEM TO THE LEFT AND THE THREE UNITS AND SLID THEM TO THE RIGHT. AND INSTEAD OF REDUCING THE FIVE UNIT BUILDING TO TWO STORIES, AS THE COMMISSION ASKED, HE REDUCED THREE OF THE UNITS TO TWO STORIES. SO THE IMPACT OF THE TWO STORY UNITS HAS BEEN DILUTED. I DON'T KNOW WHY I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE. I THINK AS STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, THE ENTIRE FACADE ALONG TRAIL STREET SHOULD BE REDUCED TO TWO STORIES INSTEAD OF THIS GESTURE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE. NEXT, THIS IS, I'M JUST PUTTING THESE UP HERE BECAUSE THESE ARE COMMENTS FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETINGS FROM THE O H P AT CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND FINALLY, O H P AT FINAL DESIGN, WHERE THEY AGAIN, REITERATE THE ISSUE THAT ALL OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG TRAIL STREET SHOULD BE REDUCED TO TWO STORIES. AND I THINK THE ROOF PITCH SHOULD BE LOWERED SO THEY'RE MORE COMPATIBLE. RIVER ROAD IS BASICALLY A BUNGALOW NEIGHBORHOOD. THE THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE A VERY NICE JOB OF PRESENTING THIS PROJECT AS IF IT'S FLOATING ON A CLOUD INSTEAD OF CONTEXTUALIZING IT. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE DRAWING THAT CHOSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE TAKEN THEIR DRAWING AND I'VE INSERTED THE PHOTOGRAPHS TO SCALE OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE ON ATCH. AND HERE ARE THE TWO HOMES TO THE RIGHT ON ATCH. AND YOU COULD SEE THERE'S 35 FEET OF FACADE, THIS HUGE WALL WITH A GAP IN IT. UM, AND THERE ARE THE TWO BUILDINGS, AGAIN IN THEIR PHYSICAL LOCATION. IT'S ENTIRELY OUT OF SCALE. THE SAME THING IS TRUE OF MY HOUSE, AND I HAPPEN TO BE AGAINST THE THREE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO TWO STORIES. IT'S STILL WAY, IT'S TWICE AS HIGH AS MY HOUSE IS. HERE'S LARRY CLARK'S HOUSE WHO SPOKE ABOUT DRAINAGE. HE HAPPENS TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY TALLER HOUSE, BUT IT'S STILL, AND YOU COULD SEE HOW CLOSE OUR HOUSES ARE TO, UM, THE PROJECT. WE'RE JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE ASAKIA FROM THEM. AND THESE THINGS ARE JUST WAY OUT OF SCALE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I DREW A, UM, I JUST DID A VERY BRIEF STUDY OF THE SHADOW PATTERN OF THESE BUILDINGS. THIS IS IN WINTER. UM, YOU COULD SEE THAT THE HOUSE CLOSEST ON SATCH IS GOING TO ONLY BE FREE OF SHADOW ON DECEMBER, ON CHRISTMAS BY 10 O'CLOCK. THE CASE IS EVEN WORSE IN MARCH BECAUSE THESE HOUSES ARE ALIGNED EAST WEST. IT IS GOING TO BE ENTIRELY IN SHADOW UNTIL NOON. SO FROM NOVEMBER TO DECEMBER TO JANUARY, THESE HOUSES, BOTH THE ONES TO THE WEST OF THE PROJECT AND MY HOUSE, WHICH IS TO THE EAST OF THE PROJECT, AND LARRY CLARK'S HOUSE TO THE EAST OF THE PROJECT IN THE AFTERNOON, ARE GOING TO BE IN THIS HUGE SHADOW ALL WINTER LONG. NOW, I KNOW SAN ANTONIO DOESN'T HAVE LAWS ABOUT, UM, RIGHTS TO SUNSHINE, BUT I THINK THIS IS A, IT PROVES FURTHER THE, UM, UN THE SCALE PROBLEM. SO WE BELIEVE THAT ONE, ALL OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG TRAIL SHOULD BE REDUCED TO TWO STORIES. AND TWO, ANY UNIT THAT IS ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE SHOULD BE REDUCED TO TWO STORIES. SO I'VE TAKEN THE LIBERTY OF REDESIGNING THE PROJECT AND PLUNKED IN THEIR TWO STORY UNIT ALONG THE SATCH FACADE. AND YOU COULD SEE AT LEAST THERE'S A TRANSITION NOW BETWEEN THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH AGAIN IS WAY OVERSCALE, UM, AND THE EXISTING HOUSES. SO THE NEXT ISSUE HAS TO DO WITH WINDOWS. YOU COULD SEE IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, THE BUILDING, THE WINDOWS WERE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE PROPORTION OF THE WINDOWS AND RIVER ROAD. AND IN THE NEW PROJECT, THE WINDOWS HAD BECOME EXCESSIVELY ELONGATED. THEY ARE NOTHING LIKE ANYTHING IN RIVER ROAD. SO [02:25:01] WE THINK THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS ARE NOW ABSURD. THE NEXT ISSUE IS THE, THE, THE PUNCTUATION OR THE WAY THE WINDOWS ARE PLACED IN THE FACADE. THEY'RE PURPOSELY CHAOTIC. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DESCRIBE THEM. THERE'S, FROM THE WORKING DRAWING OF ONE SECTION OF THE BUILDING, YOU SEE THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO ALIGNMENT TO THE WINDOWS. IT'S LIKE THREE ARCHITECTS. EACH ONE DESIGNED A FLOOR AND THEY PUT IT TOGETHER LIKE A LAYER CAKE. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT TO THIS PROJECT. THAT'S DELL. THAT'S NINE MINUTES, NOT BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT DESIGN, BUT AT LEAST THIS IS A NEW PROJECT. IT'S CONTEMPORARY. IT'S THREE BLOCKS AWAY FROM THIS PROPOSAL, AND AT LEAST THE WINDOWS HAVE A PROPORTION THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON TOP OF IT. IT'S THE SCALE THAT THIS PROJECT SHOULD HAVE TWO STORIES. THE PITCH OF THE ROOF IS MUCH LOWER THAN THESE, UM, 12, 12 PITCHES OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. THAT IS TIME. SO WE'LL HAVE TO WRAP UP COMMENTS. SORRY, THAT'S NINE MINUTES, SO WE'LL HAVE TO WRAP UP THE COMMENTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, FINAL ISSUE FOR US IS THE PLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS IN THE SIDE FACADE. WE WERE TOLD THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT LOOK DOWN UPON THE NEIGHBORS. NOW IN THIS CURRENT PRESENTATION, THESE ARE TAKEN FROM THE WORKING DRAWINGS. THEY'VE INSERTED WINDOWS INTO THE SIDES OF THE FACADE. SO I NOW HAVE SOMEBODY LOOKING DOWN INTO MY YARD. LARRY CLARK IS SOMEBODY LOOKING DOWN INTO HIS YARD. THE NEIGHBORS ON SATCH ARE PEOPLE LOOKING DOWN. WE THINK THAT ALL OF THE WINDOWS THAT LOOK DOWN ON, UM, OUR PROPERTY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR CITIZENS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO SIGNED IN? OH, JIM, I'M SORRY. JIM MCKEN. I'M JIM MCKEN. I LIVE IN RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD, AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE SAID WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, BUT I WANNA EMPHASIZE THIS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WE'VE HAD MANY MEETINGS AND WE SESSIONS. AND THE REASON WE MADE A LOT OF THE CONCESSIONS IS THAT WE WANTED TO DO THE BEST FOR THIS PROPERTY. IF SOMEONE WAS GONNA DEVELOP IT, WE REALLY WANTED THE CARE AND FEEDING OF THIS PROPERTY. AND PART OF THAT WAS ACTUALLY HAVING A LOT OF, UM, NOW NOT A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER. AND WHAT YOU JUST HEARD NOW, MOST OF THE LAND IS ABOUT 70% IMPERVIOUS COVER. AND WHY I'M MENTIONING THIS TO YOU NOW IS PART OF THE DEAL WE MADE IN OUR INITIAL TALKS WITH, UH, THE DEVELOPER WAS ABOUT THE, THE GARAGES, WHICH O H P HAS ALWAYS, UH, WONDERED WHY IN GOD'S NAME WE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN IT GOES AGAINST ALL OUR STANDARDS. AND PART OF THAT REASON WAS, IS WE WERE TRYING TO DO A WAY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH GREENERY IN THE PROPERTY AS POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING ROADS RUN THROUGH IT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THE OTHER ISSUE, UH, WITH THE GARAGE AT THAT TIME, WITH, WITH THE, THE THING WAS NOT ONLY THE, THE GREEN SPACE, BUT WE REALIZED, AND WE KNEW THIS FROM THE GET GO, THAT TRAIL STREET IS A SUBSTANDARD STREET. WE KNEW IT, WE EVEN TALKED TO T C I ABOUT IT. WE KNEW WHAT THE FIRE HAZARDS WERE. WE KNEW IT HAD TO BE LONG, AND WE KNEW THAT AT THE WAY THIS WAS DEVELOPED, IT WASN'T GOING TO SORT OF FUNCTION. SO PART OF US, WE NOW SUPPORT THE O H P IN DENYING GARAGES FACING TRAIL. AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS TWOFOLD. ONE, WE DIDN'T SAVE ANYTHING. IN FACT, THE IMPERVIOUS, UH, LAND HAS GROWN FROM 50 TO 70%. NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE THE WORLD HAD TO BE SHORT, UH, YOU KNOW, EXPANDED TO BE A FUNCTIONAL ROAD ON THIS. AGAIN, THE DRIVEWAYS ARE SHORTER. THIS IS JUST A, A PICTURE THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY ONE OF THE MEMBERS JUST SHOWING ALL THE CARS THAT WOULD BE LOOK LIKE ON TRAIL. AND, UH, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY. AS YOU HEARD BEFORE. WE STRONGLY FEEL IT. IT'S TOO DENSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM, FIGURING IT OUT. BUT THE PROBLEM IN WORKING SINCE JANUARY, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO THINGS NO SIDEWALKS. UH, HOW ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE WINDOWS? [02:30:01] AND IN TURN WE SAID, CAN WE SEE THE PLANTS? CAN WE SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH DESIGN? COULD WE LOOK AT WHAT'S, WHAT YOU'RE DOING? WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING SINCE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN ON THAT, BUT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO A LOT OF THINGS. SO PLEASE, WE FOLLOW WHAT THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE SAID. PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT THE APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS AT THIS TIME. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM STORMWATER. WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THE PLANS MORE CAREFULLY THAN WE HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND CAN THE APPLICANT RETURN TO THE PODIUM? OH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK THIS OFF. UM, WE'VE HEARD A LOT, UH, ABOUT STORMWATER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY, AND IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT. I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT FOR THE BETTER PART OF THE YEAR. AND, UH, CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE IT IT CAME FROM. UH, BUT I HEARD IT HERE TODAY. SOMETHING ABOUT STORMWATER NOT NECESSARILY BEING IN THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION. IT'S A, UH, TECH, THE TECHNICAL ASPECT OF IT THAT MIGHT BE TRUE, BUT THE ASAKIA IS A REALLY SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC, UH, UH, PIECE HERE THAT HAS GREAT POTENTIAL TO BE DAMAGED BY STORMWATER. SO I WILL SAY I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED IN THE 80, 80% DOCUMENT SUBMITTAL THAT THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PACKAGE DIDN'T CLEARLY SHOW A DRAINAGE PLAN OR THAT THAT WAS NOT SO CLEARLY LAID OUT. SO CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON A DRAINAGE PLAN, WATER RETENTION DETENTION, AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS COVER? YES. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER. SO SOME OF THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO AS WELL AS THE ENGINEER COULD. UM, BUT WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR 80% SET, WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS WE WERE INCORPORATING OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE PLANS INTO THE SET. AND SO THE CIVIL AND THE LANDSCAPE, THEY HAVE TO COORDINATE IMPERVIOUS COVER DRAINAGE, ALL THAT STUFF. SO WHEN THE LANDSCAPE SUBMITTED THEIR PLAN, THERE WAS MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER THAN THE CIVIL PLAN, WHICH WAS SHOWING THAT WE WOULD HAVE A MIXTURE OF DETENTION OR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT THERE'S ZERO DRAINAGE INTO THE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY COMMITTED TO. SO HOW IS THAT BEING TECHNICALLY ACCOMPLISHED? ARE YOU DOING SUBSURFACE, UH, RETAINING, UH, TANKS, OR TELL US ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THAT? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING TO A COMBINATION OF THINGS. UM, ONE OF WHICH IS WE'RE GONNA DO A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A PERMEABLE DRIVEWAY. WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS DRIVEWAY ENTIRELY PERMEABLE, UM, TO QUALIFY FOR SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY STANDARDS. THAT'S THE PLAN. UM, WE'RE ALSO, UH, INCORPORATING OTHER PERMEABLE ELEMENTS IN THE WALKWAYS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU SEE THE SIDEWALKS AND WHATNOT, WE'RE GONNA BE INCORPORATING MORE PERMEABLE ELEMENTS THERE. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, IF WE ARE, UM, IF THERE'S ANY HINT THAT WILL STILL BE DRAINING ANY WATER INTO THE ASAKIA, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING DETENTION. AND THOSE DETENTION AREAS WILL PROBABLY BE INCORPORATED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND, UM, OF THE SITE. SO THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS. 'CAUSE IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE RELYING UPON THE SORT OF SURFACE, UH, APPROACH OF, OF SOFTENING UP THE SURFACE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF HARDSCAPE AND, AND BUILDING FOOTPRINT. IN MY EXPERIENCE, UH, HOW I'VE SEEN THAT ACCOMPLISHED IS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY GO IN AND YOU DO SUBSURFACE PITS TO RETAIN IT TANKS, AND THAT THERE, THEN THAT WATER IS LIT OFF SLOWLY RATHER THAN IN, IN A WASH. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S THE TECHNICAL SOLUTION FOR THIS YET, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT FOR US TO SOLVE, BUT AS, AS MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONER MENTIONED THERE, THERE IS A, A VERY SIGNIFICANT CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCE HERE THAT COULD BE THREATENED. YES. AND, AND WE AGREE AND WE'RE ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH THAT, UM, TO WHERE WE WON'T BE DRAINING ANY WATER INTO THE ASAKIA. UM, I GUESS TO, TO ELABORATE THE, THE POINT IS THOSE ELEMENTS TAKE UP COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE UP A LOT OF ROOM. WHAT ARE POTENTIAL SITE IMPACTS? UMACTUALLY? THE PERIAN, OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. CAN YOU, YEAH, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT OUS MATERIAL THAT YOU'RE USING? AND I CAN ALSO DETAILS MARK TO HELP ME. SO THE PERVIOUS PAVERS THAT WE'RE SHOWING AS THE DRIVE, JUST TO NOTE, OUR BUILDING FOOTPRINT COVERAGE IS ONLY 48%. SO [02:35:01] THE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WAS, AGAIN, FROM OUR 80% RECONCILIATION BETWEEN LANDSCAPE AND CIVIL UNDERSTANDING PATHWAYS ACCESSIBLE ROUTES THROUGH THE SITE. THE PERVIOUS PAPERS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE SHOWING, MARK CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'LL HAVE A FOUR INCH TRAY BELOW THAT'LL CATCH THE VOLUME AND SLOWLY RELEASE IT WITHIN THAT, THAT WHOLE ENTIRE AREA OF THE DRIVE AISLE. THAT'S WHAT ALLOWS US TO BE CONSIDERED AS PERVIOUS. SO THROUGH THE RIVER AUTHORITY AND OUR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT CREDITS, THEY'LL, THEY WILL CLAIM ALL OF THAT AS PERVIOUS LAND, WHICH IS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY NOTED AS THE DRIVE SHOW. MARK CAN SPEAK A LOT BETTER. CAN YOU SHOW, UH, AT MR. HALL, CAN YOU GO ON SLIDE 12? MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US EXACTLY WITH NUMBERS, WHICH ONES, WHERE IS THAT? IS THAT ALL THE NUMBER TWELVES? IT WOULD BE ALL THE NUMBER TWELVES. ALL THE NUMBER TWELVES, YES. FOR THAT PARTICULAR MATERIAL SOLUTION. THE MEETING WITH THE RIVER AUTHORITY, IT SEEMED AS IF THAT THAT WOULD ALONE CATCH MOST OF THE VOLUME NEEDED OFF THE SITE. IF, AGAIN, IF ADDITIONAL DETENTION IS NECESSARY, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT WHAT THAT LEFTOVER MIGHT BE. WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THEM, BUT THAT'S CURRENTLY THE SOLUTION IS THE FOUR INCH DEPTH. I THINK THE ORIGINAL PLANS HAD A SHORTER DEPTH, WHICH CHANGED THE VOLUME, WHICH WE COULD HOLD, BUT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A FOUR INCH. AND SO I'LL LET MARK, IF YOU, YEAH. AND SO THIS MORNING WE ACTUALLY MET WITH, UH, SARAH, UM, TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT SECTION IN DETAIL LOOKS LIKE FOR THE, UH, LOW IMPACT DESIGN FEATURES. BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE THE AREAS, THE DRIVES ON 12, UH, AND IN 13 THAT WOULD BE PERVIOUS PAVERS. UH, AND EVEN AFTER TODAY'S MEETING AND, AND COORDINATING WITH, WITH SARAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SIDEWALKS IN BETWEEN, UH, THE BUILDINGS, UM, THAT THOSE WOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED, UM, TO BE PERVIOUS. YOU KNOW, WE COULD USE PERVIOUS PAVERS, UH, FOR PEDESTRIAN WALKS AS WELL, UH, TO HELP MITIGATE THAT. UM, BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT EVEN BIO RETENTION SWELLS, UM, IN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDINGS WHERE THE LINEAR STRIPS ARE. UM, AND, UH, AND APPLYING, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, RETENTION, NOT NECESSARILY RETENTION, BUT MORE OF A TREATMENT WATER, UH, SUPPLEMENT TO, UH, TO HELP THE WATER BEFORE IT RUNS OFF. WHAT, WHAT KIND OF STORM EVENT IS THAT GOING TO ACCO, YOU KNOW, FA REASONABLY ACCOMMO ACCOMMODATE? HOW MANY INCHES IN, IN A PARTICULAR EVENT WOULD THAT, UH, YOUR, YOUR PLAN ADDRESS AND WHAT ARE YOU REQUIRED TO ADDRESS? SO WE WERE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THE, UM, TO SARAH TODAY, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, LIKE A TWO INCH STORM EVENT. AND WE, WE, WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT IS WHAT DOES THAT DETAIL LOOK LIKE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE DEPTH OF, UH, SOIL COMPACTION AND WHAT KIND OF, UM, SOILS ARE NEEDED, STRUCTURAL SOILS, IF WE GO ANY DEEPER THAN THAT. BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, UH, OPPORTUNITY. AND, AND THAT'LL, AS WE GET INTO MORE OF, UH, THE DESIGN AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT IDENTIFYING EVEN AREAS THAT WE COULD MAYBE EVEN STORE THE WATER BELOW GRADE, UH, POTENTIALLY AT THE END OF THE DRIVES IF, IF NEEDED AS WELL. BUT THIS IS FOR FINAL, SO THAT WOULD BE A REQUIRED RIGHT? F CAN WE CLARIFY? CORRECT. THAT WOULD, THAT COULD BE ADDED AS A STIPULATION BEFORE ANY, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET BUILDING PERMIT, PERMIT PERMITTING PERMIT FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A STORM WATER PLAN IN PLACE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DRAIN INTO THE AEIA BECAUSE IT'S, UH, PROHIBITED BY CITY CODE. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT AFTER THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SENSITIVE PLAN IN PLACE THAT COVERS THAT. AND WE'RE, WE'RE A, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTIVELY SEEKING SOLUTIONS FOR THAT. AND B UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO GET IT FOR OUR BUILDING PERMIT REGARDLESS FOR THIS PROJECT TO EXIST. BUT I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO ADD, I THINK CONCEPTUALLY, UM, ON EVERY LEVEL, WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS A FULL CONCRETE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK OUR GOAL AS AN ARCHITECT IS TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHICH IS A SMALL SCALE. IT FEELS LIKE A SMALL SCALE DEVELOPMENT. SURE, IT IS A DENSE DEVELOPMENT COMPARED TO A SINGLE FAMILY. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE TRYING TO SAY, HOW CAN YOU START TO MIX AN MF 33 SITUATION WITH RESIDENTIAL IN A SENSITIVE WAY? AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S BEEN THE GOAL THE, THE ENTIRE TIME. AND, AND I THINK STYLE ASIDE, IT'S HOW DO YOU START TO KIND OF CREATE, TAKE A BIG MASS THAT IS A THREE STORY MASS AND MAKE IT FEEL SMALLER. HOW DO YOU TAKE CONCRETE AWAY AND PUT IT DO PERVIOUS PAVERS OR WAYS IN WHICH NOT ONLY PROVIDES A FUNCTION, BUT ALSO THE WAY IN WHICH IT'S LIVABLE AND IT STARTS TO SEEM LIKE, UGH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACTUALLY, YOU'RE TOUCHING ON SOMETHING THAT I WAS GONNA BRING UP AND THAT'S THE, UH, FRONT PORCH ELEMENT. WHY DID YOU COME UP WITH GIVING IT [02:40:01] LIKE A BRICK WALL? OR DID YOU EVER CONSIDER OTHER MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE ALIGNED WITH WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE INTENT OF THE BRICK WAS NOT NECESSARILY TO BE JUST A WALL, BUT IT WAS TO GIVE THIS KIND OF DISTINCTIVE MASS OF ENTRY AND TO ALLOW IT TO ALSO SERVE A FUNCTION TO BE A 12 INCH THICK TYPE OF PLANTER IN WHICH RESIDENTS COULD, COULD USE FOR, FOR THEIR OWN USE, I SUPPOSE IS THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT. AND I THINK THE WAY IN WHICH WE'VE TREATED THIS KIND OF MODULAR MASONRY BASE ACROSS THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, IT FELT LIKE A NATURAL WAY TO KIND OF PULL FORWARD AND SAY, THIS IS THE ENTRY, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE WAY TO GO IN. AND ALSO KIND OF GIVE THEM A PLACE TO PUT A CHAIR IN THEIR, YOU, YOU KNOW, A FRONT PORCH ELEMENTS. CAN YOU ELABORATE, EXCUSE ME, ON THE SPECIFIC PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THE PREVIOUS PAVERS AND EXACTLY HOW IT FUNCTIONS? SO WE'VE, UH, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AND TALKING WITH, UH, PAVESTONE, UM, AS A, UH, THICKNESS OR, UH, UH, UH, FOR THE DRIVEWAYS THAT THE THICKNESS OF THOSE PAVERS, UH, WOULD ALLOW FOR, UH, NOT ONLY FIRE, BUT OR NOT ONLY VEHICLES, VEG, REGULAR VEHICLES, BUT ALSO, UH, FOR FIRE ACCESS AS WELL. UM, IT'S, AND THEN WHILE WE'RE GONNA BE IN THAT SAME LINE OF, UH, PAVERS IN THAT PRODUCT, UH, WE'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT THEM FOR THE, UH, FOR THE SIDEWALK APPLICATIONS AS WELL, UM, AS NEEDED FOR, UM, THE PERVIOUS PAVEMENT, PEDESTRIANIZED USE, IS THAT A, A PAVED STONE PRODUCT THAT HAS SPACES IN BETWEEN TO ALLOW WATER TO PERCOLATE? IT DOES. IT'S GOT, UH, IT'S GOT PROBABLY A GOOD, I'D SAY QUARTER INCH, UH, GAPS IN BETWEEN, UH, THAT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY MADE, UM, FOR PERVIOUS. UH, AND, AND I THINK THE, UH, SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY PARKING LOT, UM, USES THAT SAME PRODUCT THAT THEY USE THAT IMPLEMENTED IN THEIR PARKING LOT AS A LOW IMPACT DESIGN FEATURE, UH, TO HELP, UM, MITIGATE WATER CLEAN. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE 24 INCH PECAN. UM, TWO, TWO ISSUES REALLY. ONE, THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE WALK YOU SHOW GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE TREE. I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK. ALSO, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT DISRUPTION OF THE ROOT ZONE OF THE, OF THE PECAN? 'CAUSE THEIR ROOTS ARE VERY SENSITIVE, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTING THE BUILDINGS. SO THE DECOMPOSE GRANITE, UM, AS IT, UH, BRUSHES UP AGAINST THE PECAN, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THERE IS, UH, AGAIN, IT NOT BEING COMPACTED, UM, AND MORE OF A FOUR INCH PLACED. UM, SO THAT WAY IT'S LIGHTLY, UM, DRESSING AS, ALMOST ACTING AS A MULCH, IF YOU WILL, UP AGAINST THE, UH, THE PECAN ROOT ZONE AREA. UM, AND THEN REALLY WHAT WE WERE SEEING, UM, AS THAT WOULD BE KIND OF IMPACTFUL TO THE TREE, UM, IS THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING AND FOUNDATION, UM, AND, AND, AND TRYING TO STAY AS FAR AS WE CAN AWAY FROM THE RPZ ZONE, UH, OF THAT. UM, SO IT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WILL HAVE A, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN NOTES IN THERE TO MINIMIZE THAT AMOUNT OF IMPACT, UH, FROM THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UH, BUILDING FOUNDATION, UM, BUT NOT, UH, IMPEDING, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN THAT 25%, UM, TO, UH, TO HELP MAINTAIN THE REST OF THE, UM, RRP C ZONE ON THOSE. CAN YOU ADDRESS THE COMMENT BY, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT BUILDINGS FIVE AND SIX, HOW IT, THEY CHANGED FROM CONCEPTUAL DESIGN WITH THREE UNITS IN BUILDING FIVE AND FIVE UNITS IN BUILDING SIX, AND NOW IT'S VICE VERSA, THEREFORE, THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE IS SHORTER IN LENGTH THAN THE, UM, YES, THE, WHEN WE MET, UM, WITH OUR PRELIMINARY PLAN REVIEW, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY HAD US IMPLEMENT A HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND AT A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE. AND THAT IS, I WOULD SAY, WHAT DROVE THE DIVISION MORE THAN ANY, UM, ANY OTHER DESIRE HERE. THE TOWNHOME TYPOLOGY REQUIRES AT LEAST THREE TOGETHER, AND I THINK THAT ALL OF THOSE POWERS COMBINED, I WOULD SAY THIS WAS A MUCH MORE OBJECTIVE DECISION THAN A SUBJECTIVE, UH, CAN YOU ALSO ADDRESS THE WINDOWS, BECAUSE WE DID NOTICE A CHANGE THERE, AND IT'S ALSO IN THE STIPULATIONS. [02:45:01] YEAH. THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE STIPULATIONS ARE SPECIFICALLY SQUARE BATHROOM WINDOWS, WHICH HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE PROJECT ON ANY VISIBLE FACADE. I THINK THAT THE OTHER WINDOW COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THEY'VE BEEN ELONGATED, THE LOWER LEVEL. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME REALLY OLD CONCEPTUAL IMAGERY FROM THERE, BUT I'D SAY WORKING THROUGH STANDARDIZING TWO PARTICULAR WINDOW TYPES, THE LONG, UM, ON THE BOTTOM, WHICH THIS KIND OF THREE TIERED, AND THEN THE KIND OF TWO GANG TOGETHER ABOVE, I FEEL AS IF THESE PROPORTIONS, AND WE'VE TALKED, WE'VE TALKED TO MULTIPLE D R C MEETINGS ABOUT THE WINDOWS IN PARTICULAR, SPECIFICALLY CHANGING BUILDING SIX. THOSE LONG SKINNY TO THE LEFT ARE BATHROOM WINDOWS. AND SO THAT WAS A KIND OF MUTUAL CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW CAN WE CHANGE THAT SQUARE TO BE SOMETHING MORE PROPORTIONAL OR RESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I ACTUALLY KIND OF APPRECIATE THE COMMENT OF THE MISALIGNMENT BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S NOT INTENDED. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. WE'LL CERTAINLY ALIGN THOSE WINDOWS. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT KNOW, IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. GONNA COMMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, EXTEMPORANEOUSLY HERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF OUR H D R C, OR I SHOULD SAY OUR D R C MEETINGS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON SORT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT. AND, UM, I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE DONE A VERY HEROIC EFFORT IN TRYING TO BREAK DOWN THE SCALE OF TH OF THE THIRD STORY BY TREATING IT AS THIS, THIS SORT OF ATTIC SPACE. UM, AND I THINK WE JUST AS A FELLOW ARCHITECT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE BEEN FIXATED ON THAT. BUT THERE, THERE ARE SOME FUNDAMENTAL SITE PLANNING ISSUES HERE THAT DO HAVE CONCERNS THAT I, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE I'VE NOT BEEN TRAINING ON AS MUCH. UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF YOUR PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, TO THE SEIA, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAD MADE THE STIPULATION ABOUT THE 15 FOOT SET SETBACK AND THAT, THAT, UH, THAT ALSO CHEWED AWAY AT WHAT BUILDING SIX COULD BECOME, UH, FROM THE EAST SIDE AS WELL AS THE HAMMERHEAD ON THE WEST SIDE. SO THAT BEGAN TO REDUCE THE IMPACT. SO I THINK YOUR, YOUR ANSWER ON THAT IS VERY CREDIBLE AND, AND IT, IT SQUARES WITH MY RECOLLECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, OF THE PROJECT. BUT, UH, GETTING BACK TO SORT OF THE, THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, I THINK I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, UH, FEELING LIKE THAT HAS BEEN PINNED DOWN, UH, FROM A SCALE AND A IMPERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS, UH, LEVEL ON THE ARCHITECTURAL END, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INNOVATION, A LOT OF EFFORT PUT IN, BUT I'M STILL REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITE PLANNING ISSUES. I, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT AS MARK NOTED THAT WE MET WITH THEM THIS MORNING, I THINK THAT'S, I WOULD SAY THE MOST CURRENT WORK BEING DONE RIGHT NOW IS DETAILING ALL OF THESE TYPES OF SURFACES AND WORKING THROUGH THEM. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A FAIR, MORE THAN FAIR STIPULATION TO SAY WE WOULD SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS FOR WHAT THAT SITE IS AND WHAT THAT SITE COULD BE WITH FULL INTENT TO. I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT AND WE EXPLORE IT MORE. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M, UM, READY TO DO A FINAL TODAY. UM, THERE'S SOME OUTSTANDING, I AM NOT TO IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PORCH DESIGN YET. I DON'T THINK IT'S THERE YET. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN D R C, LIKE SOME IDEAS, BUT I'M NOT, UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S COMPATIBLE TO WHAT'S, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT STAFF MEANT ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WANTS TO COMMENT ON IT, STAFF CAN COMMENT ON IT. UM, SO PREVIOUSLY DURING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, STAFF RECOMMENDED THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE SOME TYPE OF PORCH MASSING THAT WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT OR COMPARABLE TO WHAT'S FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT. UM, THE DESIGN THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, AT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, UM, WAS MORE OR LESS APPROVED, UM, WITHOUT THAT BEING POSSIBLE TO INCORPORATE. UM, SO AS FAR AS COMING BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL, UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO INCORPORATE A TRADITIONALLY MASKED PORCH. SO WHAT STAFF IS ASKING FOR IS SOME TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE OF ENTRANCE OF EACH UNIT OR EACH TOWN HOME, UM, AS A FRONT PORCH WOULD. UH, SO, UM, THERE, THERE WASN'T AN EXACT OR SPECIFIC ELEMENT THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED, UM, BUT STAFF WANTED TO SPECIFICALLY SEE SOME TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT THE ARCHITECT DEVELOPED THAT REPRESENTED. AND I DO FEEL LIKE THE, UM, AGAIN, MAYBE HAS UNDERSTOOD THE PURPOSE OF IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORE ABOUT LIKE A PORCH AND WHERE YOU CAN PUT A CHAIR AND HAVE SOME PRIVACY. I THINK IT'S MORE JUST DELINEATING, THIS IS THE FRONT ENTRANCE. LIKE I THINK WE CAN WORK BETTER WITH THAT. I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE DOING [02:50:01] A BLOCK OF BRICK, WHICH MAY ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, EVEN FOR, MAYBE NOT, IT'S NOT THE FRONT DOOR, IT'S ACTUALLY MAYBE JUST A SIDE PATIO OR I DON'T KNOW, , YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON THAT. I THINK THAT IF, IF IT'S DOING A COUPLE MORE ITERATIONS OF WHAT THAT PORCH COULD BE AND, AND IT'S CURRENT STATE, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD CERTAINLY COMPLY WITH. WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH O H P STAFF KIND OF ON, ON SOME OF THOSE DETAILS. 'CAUSE IT'S A VERY SENSITIVE PIECE AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY NUANCED AND SO WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS IT. WE, WE HOPE TO MAYBE FURTHER CONTINUE WITH O H P STAFF, BUT, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GET APPROVAL TODAY. CAN I, CAN I ASK WHAT YOUR TIMEFRAME IS ON, UM, REDUCING THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE SITE DRAINAGE WITH CIVIL AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YEAH, WE, WE EXPECT TO, UM, HAVE THOSE NEXT WEEK AND IT'S VERY DEADLINE SENSITIVE. SO WE HAVE A, AND JUST ANOTHER, ANOTHER COMMENT IN TERMS OF THE GARAGES. YOU KNOW, WE HAD, WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, PREVIOUSLY, AND I THINK OUR, ONE OF OUR ORIGINAL PLANS, UH, SHOWED AN INTERNAL DRIVEWAY. AND WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WASN'T, SINCE, SINCE TRAIL STREET HAD FRONT FACING GARAGES ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT HAD ZERO SETBACKS FROM TRAIL STREET, NOT 18 FOOT SETBACKS LIKE OURS, UM, WE THOUGHT, WELL, WE COULD INCORPORATE MORE GREEN SPACE, MORE PERMEABLE ELEMENTS WITHIN THAT, UH, THOSE TWO ROWS OF TOWN HOMES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO IMPROVE THAT. WE WANNA MAKE IT AS AS PERMEABLE AS WE CAN, AND IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE REQUIRED, UH, TO DO FOR BUILDING PERMIT. OH, SO WHILE WE'RE HERE TODAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT I'M GOING OVER ALL THE BIG, UH, ISSUES THAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND MANY OF WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE A NUMBER OF TIMES. UM, THE STORMWATER IS A BIG ONE, NOT BECAUSE OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ISSUES, BUT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THE ASSIA IT, UH, TO THE NORTH AND THE, THE ARTIFACT THERE ON, ON THE TRAIL STREET EDGE. UM, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE REVIEWING MORE DEVELOPED DOCUMENTS THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT THE WATER IS NOT GONNA RUN IN THERE. AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY PROBABLY DESERVES A CHANCE TO, TO DEVELOP SOME CONFIDENCE THAT DAMAGE TO THE ASSIA WILL NOT OCCUR. AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY OUR, OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE OUR RESPONSIBILITY UP HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ASAKIA DOESN'T GET DAMAGED. UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVER, I THINK I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED BY HEARING THE 70% NUMBERS. I KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S THE, THE, THE BUILDING COVERAGE AREA IS 48%, IS WHAT YOU SAID. UM, SO IN THE EVENT OF A FUTURE PRESENTATION, I, I THINK THE, THE WAY THAT YOU'RE RETAINING THE WATER AND THE, AND THE MATERIAL THAT YOU'RE DOING, UH, YOU'RE PROPOSING THERE SHOULD, SHOULD KIND OF CLEARLY SAY X AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET OF CONCRETE. THIS IS CONTRIBUTING TO IMPERVIOUS COVER. UM, THIS IS PERVIOUS COVER, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR WHAT'S PERVIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS IN THAT INSTANCE, I THINK WOULD HELP. SO THIS IMAGE IS KIND OF CATALOGING THE THINGS, BUT I THINK I, I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL JUST TO HAVE CONFIDENCE ON HOW MUCH PERVIOUS COVER EXISTS ON THE SITE AS IT CONTRIBUTES THE GUIDELINES AND, AND TO RUNOFF ISSUES. UM, ANOTHER THING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BROUGHT UP THAT, THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND, UH, IN THE COURSE OF THINGS, I THINK WHEN WE GRANTED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, WE GRANTED, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN AND ALL THE BUILDINGS SAVE FIVE AND SIX, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN WE RE-REVIEWED FIVE AND SIX N D R C MEETINGS MOST RECENTLY. UM, I, I, MY SENSE IS THAT IS NOT CORRECT, BUT I COULD BE BIASED IN MY SENSE. I THINK IT'S, UH, NOTED. HOWEVER, I STAFF CAN ADDRESS THAT THERE IS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR BUILDINGS ONE, TWO, AND THREE WITH ONE SET OF STIPULATIONS. AND THEN THERE WAS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR BUILDINGS FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX WITH ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, WERE IN REGARDS TO SETBACKS FROM THE ASAKIA SETBACKS ON TRAIL. I WOULD SAY ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS HAVE BEEN MET. I, I STAND CORRECTED IN, IN THE, THE SPECIFICS OF THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION WHILE WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE BUILDING FIVE A TWO STORY BUILDING? IT IS NOT, AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THERE'S, THIS IS A PROCESS. UM, WE HAD A SLIDE, WE'VE, WE'VE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS SEVEN TIMES. [02:55:01] WE'VE, THIS IS OUR 11TH TIME APPEARING BEFORE EITHER THE D R C OR THE H D R C UH, COMMISSIONERS. UM, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE FELT WAS ADDRESSED DURING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. AND, UM, AND SO WE, WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AS, AS THE PROCESS ALLOWS. AND, UM, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT BUILDING FIVE. UH, CAN WE RELOCATE, UH, THE HIGHER LEVEL WINDOWS THAT ARE OVERLOOKING ADJACENT PROPERTIES ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS? YES, WE CAN DO THAT. THAT, UM, ON THE END, ON THE, PARTICULARLY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE END, WHICH IS NOT ELEVATED HERE IN OUR PRESENTATION, BUT THE ENDS FACING, I'M GUESSING EAST AND WEST, PARTICULARLY THE NORTHEAST CORNER ALONG ATCH BUILDING ONE, THE HAVE A SITE. DO YOU HAVE AN ELEVATION OF THAT? BECAUSE I ONLY SAW THE ONE THAT DIDN'T YOU, IT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR 80% PACKAGE, UM, WHICH IS HERE, WE JUST DISTILLED DOWN A FEW SLIDES FOR THE PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY PULL THAT. I THINK IT'S BUILDING ONE, BUILDING TWO, FOUR. I THINK THAT THESE WINDOWS, UM, OF COURSE WE HAVE LIFE AND SAFETY STANDARDS FOR OUR OWN RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF EGRESS AND WINDOWS. SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE CAN REMOVE ALL OF THE WINDOWS BY ANY MEANS. HOWEVER, WE COULD CERTAINLY RE-LOOK AT THE PLACEMENT, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT AS LONG AS WE MEET CODE AND NEEDED EGRESS STANDARDS, I THINK ANYTHING IN EXTRA OF THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE STUDIED. AND ONE LAST, ONE LAST THING THAT'S COME UP IN AT LEAST TWO DRCS, AND I THINK AGAIN, IN THE LAST ONE, THE ROOF PITCHES ON THE GABLE ON THE, ON THE GABLE END. YES. THE, WHERE WE CAN REALLY SEE THOSE ROOF PITCHES FACING BUILDING TWO, THE STREET BUILDING TWO, THEY'RE OUT OF CHARACT, OUT OF CHARACTERISTICALLY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE STEEP. YES. THE, THE ROOF PITCH OF THE GABLE IS TO ALLOW THAT TO BE OCCUPIABLE TO BE HONEST, LIKE THE, THE, THE ROOF PITCH WAS DESIGNED IN A WAY TO SAY THAT THE THIRD FLOOR IS SPECIAL. WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THIS THREE STORY TOWN HOME TO BE TWO STORIES. THE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO CREATE A PITCH WHICH CAN BE OCCUPIABLE. SO, AND ALSO THAT'S THE MAJOR WINDOW FROM THAT BEDROOM. SO IF THE PITCHES WERE TO BECOME SHALLOWER, THE UH, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE PART, THE PLATE HEIGHT OF THAT WALL WOULD, WOULD GO UP. OH, SORRY. THOSE PLATES ARE ACTUALLY AT, UM, I THINK THREE FEET AT THAT LOCATION. AND WHAT IT ALLOWS IT TO DO IS OPEN UP AND THEN PUSH THE ROOF BACK. 'CAUSE THOSE ARE THREE FEET. I LOOK AT IT AS A DORMER, IT'S A DORMER. SO IT ALLOWS OUR SHED THIS DIRECTION TO SIT AT A DIFFERENT PITCH AS IT GOES UP. I DUNNO IF THAT, THAT MADE NO SENSE. I HEARD MYSELF, I, I WOULD SAY THAT ANY SHALLOWER DOES TWO THINGS. ONE, IT WOULD BRING THAT PLATE HEIGHT HIGHER, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THAT MASS TO THEN BE HIGHER AS WELL. I THINK HAVING A LOW PLATE HEIGHT ALLOWS THAT MASS TO FEEL SMALLER AS WELL. I WOULD ARGUE THAT. SO THE STEEPER THE PITCH, THE LOWER THAT THAT TOP PLATE COMES DOWN FOR THAT LOCATION. YEAH, I SUPPOSE THAT THAT IS THE TRADE OFF, RIGHT? THAT IS THE TRADE OFF. IF THE ROOF PITCHES ARE MADE TO APPEAR SHALLOWER, THE MASS IS MADE TO APPEAR LARGER BECAUSE THE PLATE RISES, THE RIDGE FUNDAMENTALLY STAYS IN THE SAME PLACE FOR HEAD CLEARANCE. YES, EXACTLY. AND I THINK THAT WE HAD EVEN ENTERTAINED AT ONE POINT HAVING THE FLOOR, LIKE THE TOP PLATE SIT ON THE FLOOR AND GO STRAIGHT UP. BUT THAT WAS SUP, SUPER STEEP AND ALSO HARDER TO OCCUPY. SO THIS WAS KIND OF THE HAPPY MEDIUM. THE INTERIOR CEILING HEIGHT ON THAT THIRD FLOOR AT THAT LOCATION, IT'S 10 FEET. SORRY, NOT AT THIS LOCATION WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. THAT RIDGE IS, IT IS 10 FEET, I'M SORRY, IT'S 10 FEET ON THE THIRD FLOOR. NINE, 10 AND 10. WHENEVER YOU WERE, UM, ADDRESSING THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HIGHER PLATE HEIGHT AND THE HIGHER, UH, CEILINGS ON, UM, THE TRAIL STREET ELEVATION DUE TO THE T TURNAROUND MM-HMM. , WERE ANY BEDROOMS OR OCCU OCCUPANTS ADDED TO THOSE BUILDINGS AS A RESULT OF THAT THAT COULD INCREASE TRAFFIC FLOW ON THE, ON THE ROAD? NO. ASK. CAN YOU ASK THAT? THAT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING. I'M SORRY. SO WHENEVER YOU ADJUSTED THE T TURNAROUND LOCATION DEPTH INTO YOUR SITE, THE HAMMERHEAD CORRECT. THE HAMMERHEAD, RIGHT. SO WHENEVER YOU ADJUSTED THAT, YOU ADDED BACK A STORY TO TWO SUITES, RIGHT? THEY WENT FROM TWO STORY TO THREE STORY ON TWO SUITES, AND I'M GUESSING THAT THERE WERE ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS OR OCCUPANTS ADDED AS A RESULT OF THAT IN BUILDING FIVE. DID THEY DID THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE OCCUPANCY INCREASE BECAUSE YOU MADE THOSE THREE STORY? [03:00:02] YOU KNOW, I FEEL AS IF MY MEMORY, YOU CAN, I FEEL LIKE THE HAMMERHEAD, THEY WERE STILL ALL THREE STORY. THE TWO STORY CAME IN TANDEM TO THIS, BUT I GUESS I COULD BE WRONG. THE IMAGE THAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER WAS A, A COLLAGE THAT WAS INCORRECT ABOUT THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE SHOWN AT THAT TIME. BUT I FEEL AS IF THE OCCUPANCY HAS STAYED THE SAME, THE TWO, THE TWO, UM, THE TWO STORY BUILDING IS A TWO BEDROOM UNIT ALSO, NOT JUST TO, AND IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN A TWO BEDROOM. WE HAVE, UH, FROM THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, WE'VE REDUCED OVERALL OCCUPIABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. AND I THINK, I THINK YOU TOLD US YOU REDUCED, UM, THE DEPTH OF BUILDING SIX BY SEVERAL FEET. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK BACK TO SEE WHAT EXACTLY THAT WAS, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD'VE BEEN AT LEAST FOUR BECAUSE OF HOW THAT SETBACK WAS ALTERED. I WAS THINKING THROUGH SOMETHING ELSE. OH, I DID WANNA NOTE THE REASON THE CEILING HEIGHT AT 10 FEET, THAT ROOF THEN SLOPES BACK VERY DRAMATICALLY. SO THE LOWEST POINT, WE HAVE A NINE FOOT TOP PLATE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, WHICH WHEN FUR DOWN IS AN EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT, SO THAT WE HAVE ROOM FOR OUR MECHANICAL SPACE. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT GOES FROM NINE TO 10 AND THEN DOWN AGAIN IN THAT, THAT SECTION. SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE CLARITY, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT DEVELOPER AND ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS HAVE DONE TO, UM, ADDRESS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, STAFF'S CONCERNS, UH, COMMISSION CONCERNS. UM, I DO STILL FEEL THAT THERE'S STILL SOME SITE ISSUES, UH, SINCE Y'ALL ARE JUST, UH, GETTING FEEDBACK FROM, UH, CITY DEPARTMENTS AND SARAH AND, AND ALL OF THAT. AND, UM, I WOULD, UH, FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF Y'ALL COULD COME BACK TO US WITH A, UH, FURTHER DEVELOPED SITE PLAN AND DRAINAGE PLAN THAT ADDRESSES THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE A BIG CONCERN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMISSION. UM, AND ALSO SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT, UH, LIKE THE PORCHES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE D R C LAST WEEK, AND, UH, THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME WE SAW YOUR, UH, PROPOSAL FOR THAT, UH, POSSIBLY LOOKING AT, UH, OTHER OPTIONS FOR DEFINING THAT, UH, THOSE FRONT PORCHES. UH, SO I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF, IF Y'ALL CAME BACK AND TO A D R C, UH, TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. YES, AND I, I JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT HERE. UM, THE STORMWATER PLAN IS GOING TO BE, UH, PROCESSED WITH THE CITY THROUGHOUT BUILDING PERMIT. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU GUYS WILL BE ABLE TO ANALYZE OR LOOK AT ON THE PLAN, UH, BEFORE THE NEXT HEARING. UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GONNA BE COMMENTS DURING BUILDING PERMIT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS, SO IT'S GONNA BE EVER EVOLVING. THAT BEING SAID, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT WE DO NOT DRAIN ANYTHING INTO THE ASEC. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO GET FOR BUILDING PERMIT. SO EVEN IF WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING AND WE HAVE TO CONCURRENTLY GET H D R C FINAL, WE HAVE TO GET H D R C FINAL APPROVAL BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS COULD CHANGE SOMETHING. AND SO EVEN IF, EVEN IF WE, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT THOSE DRAWINGS, I MEAN, I, I DON'T, WE'RE GONNA STILL HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE CITY. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST SUCH A, IT'S A QUAGMIRE. IT'S JUST A BIZARRE CHICKEN OR THE EGG SITUATION. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOU KIND OF GETTING INTO A CATCH 22, BUT HERE'S MY CONCERN. I THINK IN ALL PRACTICALITY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT A, A SERIOUS STRUCTURED SOLUTION TO THIS, A SUBSURFACE STRUCTURED SOLUTION BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE PARTICULARLY THIS AREA OF TOWN, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL TOAD STRANGLERS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TWO INCH IS NOT GOING TO BE A REALISTIC, AND THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY EXPENSIVE. THAT'S WHEN YOU GOTTA START LOOKING AT THE COST OF THESE SUBSURFACE STORAGE TANKS VERSUS MAYBE ELIMINATING A UNIT OR SOMETHING TO OPEN UP SOME MORE SPACE ON THIS. SO THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S SOME, AS I SAID, SOME SERIOUS FUNDAMENTAL SITE PLANNING AND STUBBY PENCIL WORK ON THE, UH, THE STORM DRAINAGE PLAN FOR THIS THAT HAVE PHYSICAL IMPLICATIONS THAT WE JUST CAN'T, YOU KNOW, SAY, OKAY, IT'S GONNA BE DEALT WITH AND REVIEWED THROUGHOUT A, UH, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA HAVE A, AN IMPACT ON WHAT THE SCALE AND THE DENSITY AND THE RESULTING PERVIOUS COVER, [03:05:01] PERVIOUS COVER ON THE SITE. AGREE. DO YOU HAVE A CIVIL, DO YOU HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE, ON THE SITE? YOU'RE GOING TO BE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING DRAWINGS OF DRAINAGE PLAN THAT SHOW HOW HOW MUCH VOLUME OF WATER IS GONNA BE YES. DEVELOPED ON SITE. I MEAN, THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF I THINK WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, TO BE MORE, TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. UH, I I DO NOT ASSUME THAT, UH, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RETAIN THE WATER. I JUST NEED TO SEE, UH, I NEED TO SEE A PLAN THAT SHOWS HOW THE THING IS GONNA BE PROTECTED AND, AND IF ONE CAN'T BE PRODUCED WITHOUT CHANGING THE SITE, THEN WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT TOO. I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. YOU'RE TELLING US THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH MOST OF THE RAINWATER RUNOFF, UM, BY MAKING THE DRIVES IN IMPERVIOUS COVER OR PERVIOUS RATHER PERVIOUS COVER AS, AS A WAY OF, YOU KNOW, DRIVING THE, THE RAINFALL AND THE STORM WATER STRAIGHT DOWN ONTO THE SITE, NOT DISCHARGING IT. WELL, IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION THAT SHOWS THAT. ARE YOU SUGGESTING, JUST TO UNDERSTAND LOGISTICS HERE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT, UM, IF WE ARE NOT GIVEN FINAL APPROVAL TODAY THAT THE REST OF, COULD WE FIND A WAY TO SAY THAT THE REST OF THE STIPULATIONS HAVE BEEN MET OR ARE IN SOME WAYS CLARIFIED SO THAT WHEN WE RETURN IT'S A SITE WORK CONVERSATION? I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION OF COURSE, THAN A ANYTHING ELSE. I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING. OR MAYBE THE PORT THE PORCH. I DO RECOMMEND THAT THE PORCH ELEMENT BE DISCUSSED, UM, BOTH WITH STAFF AND MAYBE A D R C I. THEY C I THINK YOU WERE ASKING FOR A WINDOW STIPULATION THAT WE WERE TO APPROVE ALUMINUM AND NOT ALUMINUM CLA WOULD WHAT? WELL, I THINK THAT WE HAVE A WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, A WINDOWS RULES ARE KIND OF, UH, ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE FROM YOU. SO I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD, UH, I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING BACK. YOU WERE, UH, YOU WERE THE ONE WHO SAID YOU WERE COMPLYING WITH THE OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT THAT STIPULATION EIGHT, WHICH IS THE ARCHEOLOGY STIPULATION SEVEN. RIGHT. THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR STIPULATION SIX, MECHANICAL EQUIP B SCREENED. I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, UM, ESSENTIALLY AND THE STANDING ROOF AS WELL. SO I MEAN, WE'RE DOWN TO LIKE, WHAT TWO ELEMENTS ESSENTIALLY THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO DEVELOP AND SUBMIT TO STAFF, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD REVIEW, UM, MORE OR LESS IN COORDINATION WITH THE ARCHEOLOGY SCOPE OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE CARRIED OUT BY THE APPLICANT OR BY THEIR ENGINEER OR AN ARCHEOLOGIST. UM, SO THOSE THINGS MORE OR LESS WOULD GO HAND IN HAND. UM, IN REGARDS TO THIS, THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS, THOSE ARE STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS. UM, WHEN WE DO OUR CHECK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AT PERMITTING, IF THOSE SPECIFICATIONS AREN'T IN THERE, WE DENY THE PERMIT. UM, IN REGARDS TO THE WINDOWS, UH, THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO HAVE WITH THE COMMISSION. UM, UNLESS THEY'RE TO A TEE MEETING OUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION, THEN WE WOULDN'T SUPPORT ANY OTHER WINDOW PRODUCT. AND, UH, ANOTHER THING REGARDING THE WINDOWS, WE, YOU, YOU, UH, PERSONALLY ALSO TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE JUST WITH PROPORTIONS AND THE LOCATIONS OF, OF THE ALIGNMENTS OF SOME OF THESE WINDOWS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE, UM, THAT, THAT WAS MENTIONED BY YOU IS THAT THE, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT GROUPINGS OF THE WINDOW TYPES. THE, THE, THE THREE PAIRS ON THE BOTTOM, THE, THE, THE, I MEAN THE THREE WINDOWS ON THE BOTTOM AND THE PAIR WINDOWS AT THE SECOND STORY, AND THEN THE SINGLE WINDOW AT THE TOP. BUT WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE'S ACTUALLY LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT DIFFERENT GROUPING STYLES. AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE SIMPLIFIED. SO I THINK THAT YOU, YOU NOT SIMPLIFIED BUT CLARIFIED. SURE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IF YOU CAN TRY TO MAKE THAT MORE COHESIVE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, AS A DESIGN CHANGE THAT IS NOT SPECIFIED ON THESE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AS A PART OF THAT WINDOW PACKAGE THAT YOU GUYS BRING BACK BEFORE US. I SUPPOSE THE REAL NATURE OF THE QUESTION IS IF WE CONTINUE THIS CASE OR DO A D R C, UM, YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU WOULD LIKE SOME IDEA AS, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN OR BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE? I DO THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THAT. [03:10:01] AND I THINK, UH, THE, THE GARAGE ISSUE IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME. IT'S STILL IN THE STAFF REPORT. WE'VE DISCUSSED HOW THAT CAME ALONG, WHY IT CAME ALONG. UH, SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH JUST DIRECTING STAFF TO REVIEW THE PROTECTION ISSUES WHEN IT COMES. SO YOU'RE NOT OKAY WITH IT BEING PART OF JUST THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE SUBMIT YOU, WE WANNA RE REVIEW IT. I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT HAVE A PUBLIC VETTING, SO TO SPEAK, AND, AND NOT JUST BE KIND OF DEALT WITH AS, AS SOMETHING THAT'S SUBMITTED THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T REALLY NECESSARILY SEE OR UNDERSTAND OR THAT WE DON'T SEE THAT UNDER UHAND IT BEFORE IT IS APPROVED. STAFF HAS NOT SEEN YOUR REVISED DRAWINGS AND YOU KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE, THE, UH, WINDOW ELEMENT AND THE PORCH ELEMENT AND THE STORMWATER. I THINK THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS YOU'LL FOCUS. WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET A FINAL. RIGHT. WE JUST FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD NOT BE ON THE STAFF DISCRETION. IS THAT IF I'M COMMISSION, RIGHT. SO I WILL MOTION TO MOVE TO D R C DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT A DENIAL. OH NO, I KNOW, I, I'M GUESSING I'M TRYING TO, SO IT MEANS THAT WE WOULD JUST GO TO A D R C AND WE WOULD SOLVE THIS, THE OPTION TO IT, OR WE WOULD NOT DO ANOTHER PUBLIC LIKE THIS SCENARIO, WE WOULD JUST DO A D R C, NO FINAL APPROVAL. WE WOULD DO A, OKAY, WE USE THE WORD D R C A LOT, UH, SORRY, NON REVIEW COMMITTEE FINAL APPROVAL WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE FULL COMMISSION. SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. IF, SO, TYPICALLY THERE'S A TWO WEEK TURNAROUND FROM SUBMITTAL OF DRAWINGS TO A HEARING. IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD GET INTO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NEXT HEARING SINCE OUR DRAWINGS WILL BE COMING AND WE JUST UPDATE THE PRESENTATION? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE, YEAH. I THINK JUST IN THE NATURE OF FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, UH, THAT'S DOABLE, BUT IT, YOU WOULD NEED TO GET IT RELATIVELY QUICKLY, UH, FOR US TO DO A FULL UPDATE TO OUR RECOMMENDATION AND THEN HAVE THAT PUBLISHED WITH THE AGENDA. WE WOULD NEED IT. YOU KNOW WHAT, I KNOW, I THINK IT NEEDS TO FOLLOW THE REGULAR APPLICATION DEADLINE SCHEDULE. AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GUARANTEE PLACE AND THE, AND THE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION BECAUSE IF NOT, WE'LL JUST BE IN THE SAME SITUATION. SO I THINK EXACTLY THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD REALLY CONSIDER. IF IT'S MORE ABOUT TIME, IT'S ABOUT GETTING THE RIGHT DOCUMENTS. SURE. NO, I THINK THAT'S WORK ON THAT. AND THEN IF, AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS FROM SAS OR THE RIVER AUTHORITY. THAT WAS A MOTION I DIDN'T HEAR. I SECOND BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT. JUST, I, I THINK FOR MY SAKES, SINCE I'M NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER AND I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, DO THOSE KIND OF, UH, CALCULATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SOMETIMES WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STIPULATION OF SORT OF EXPERT WITNESSES TO COME IN. YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR CIVIL ENGINEER HERE AND, UH, HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, CLIMATE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION TO BACK UP SORT OF MAXIMUMS AND MENDS OF RAINFALL IN THAT, IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA SO THAT IT'S A REAL WORLD BASED SOLUTION FOR THE DRAINAGE AND NOT JUST SORT OF MEETING SOME MINIMUM STANDARDS OF, OF, OF, YOU KNOW, OF, OF, OF CONTROLLING, UH, SITE RUNOFF. THANKS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED SAY SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN SOON. A SOON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION BACK INTO SESSION, [B-15 19-6181 Address/Description: 104 BEAUREGARD HDRC Case No.: 2019-411 Landmark Name: Hummel House Historic District Name: King William RIO District: RIO-4 Applicant: Daniel Cruz/Design Coop Request: Construction of a 1-story rear accessory structure, stairway modifications City Council Dist.: 1] UH, CASE B 15, AGENDA ITEM B 15 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 11 1 0 4 BO 1 0 4 BORG GUARD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE, CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND TWO, MODIFY THE EXISTING REAR STAIRCASE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO CONNECT TO THE PROPOSED PRI PRIMARY, EXCUSE ME, MODIFY THE EXISTING REAR STAIRCASE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO CONNECT TO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND REAR STAIR MODIFICATIONS AT THIS TIME. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INTEGRATES WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. THE O H P WINDOW POLICY DOCUMENT AND THE HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND IN THE KING WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING F TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WINDOWS THAT INCLUDE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS [03:15:01] AND PROFILES BE RECESSED WITHIN THE WINDOW FRAME FEATURE, TRADITIONAL MATERIALS OR APPEARANCE AND FEATURED TRADITIONAL TRIM AND SEAL DETAILS IS NOTED IN FINDING F THREE THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES WAYS TO INCORPORATE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND MATERIALS THAT A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDINGS F AND H AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A WOOD STAIRWAY DESIGN IS NOTED IN FINDING I, UM, WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT UP AND THEN WE DO HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD AS WELL. GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, BRETT FREEMAN DESIGN COBE, UH, REPRESENTING MARLO MONTOYA, OUR CLIENT. SO, UM, I GUESS THREE OF US WERE PRESENT FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW, UH, COMMITTEE FOR THE BENEFIT OF SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. YOU WANNA JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE OR RECAP, UH, VERY BRIEFLY THE ASK? SURE. SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE, UH, UM, REQUESTING, UH, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR THE, UH, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. UM, THERE WAS AN EXISTING, UH, GARAGE SLASH CARRIAGE HOUSE. UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR FOOTPRINT, WHICH THIS, UH, SLIDE SHOWS THE, UM, EXISTING OUTBUILDING, UM, THAT IS, HAS BEEN APPROVED, UH, PREVIOUSLY TO BE DEMOED, DEMOLISHED. IT'S IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR. UM, SO THE APPLICANT, UM, OUR CLIENT IS ASKING TO, UH, BUILD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING, UM, BASICALLY, UM, GENERALLY IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING OUTBUILDING. UM, SHE'S ALSO REQUESTING, UM, UH, OBSTRUCTION OF A NEW STAIR, UH, REMOVE THE EXISTING, UH, WOODEN STAIR, WHICH, WHICH IS ALSO IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR. SHE'S, SHE SPENT, UM, CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF, UH, FUNDS TO, UH, REPAIR THE, IS EXISTING STAIR, WHICH, UM, I'LL MAKE NOTE THAT, UM, WHEN SHE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THERE WAS NO STAIR TO THE SECOND LEVEL. UM, UM, UH, AND SHE, UH, HAD BUILT THE STAIR, UM, BUT FOR YEARS AND YEARS HAS, UH, CONTINUED TO, UH, INVEST MONEY INTO THE WOODEN STRUCTURE. SO TO, UM, TRY TO USE, MAKE USE OF, OF HER FUNDS WE WERE TRYING TO, OR, OR ASKING TO BUILD A NEW STEEL STAIR IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO NAVIGATE UP TO THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE. UM, PROJECT, UH, ITSELF IS, UM, IS KIND OF A MODERN ADAPTATION OF, OF A, A CARRIAGE HOUSE OR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. UM, SHE'S TRYING TO BUILD A, A PROJECT, UH, FOR, FOR HER AILING FATHER, UM, WHO'S GONNA LIVE, UM, WHO'S GONNA LIVE IN THE BACK HOUSE. UM, HERE WE'RE TRYING TO PICK UP ON, UM, SEVERAL OF THE DETAILS FROM THE MAIN HOUSE, UM, AND BRING THEM, BRING THEM INTO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A KIND OF NEW, UH, IN A NEW WAY. UM, UM, MORE MODERN, MORE MODERN WAY, BUT, BUT USING THE EXISTING MATERIALS, UM, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THAT, UM, TRYING TO ALSO KEEP THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT, UM, DOWN TO, TO NOT INTERFERE, UH, WITH THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, I THINK WE'VE GOT, THERE'S SOME OTHER, THERE'S SOME SLIDES TOWARDS THE END THAT SHOW SOME, SOME EXAMPLES OF, UM, SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, UH, HISTORICALLY. UM, AND ALSO, UM, KIND OF DETAILING WISE, OR NOT THAT DISSIMILAR FROM OUR PROJECT, UM, TRYING TO PICK UP ON SOME IDEAS THAT IN ENCLOSED VERSUS OPEN. UM, WE, WE, WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH, WITH UH, D R C TO TRY AND, UM, ADAPT THE DRAWINGS AND THE DESIGN, UM, TO MEET THE, THE STIPULATIONS. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF, UM, HAD RE RECOMMENDED AFTER THE D R C MEETING OR NOT, BUT WE DID SUBMIT NEW DRAWINGS. THERE IS A NEW DESIGN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UM, UM, AFTER THE D R C MEETING. COULD YOU, UH, GUESS THE CHANGES THAT YOU'VE MADE IN THE SURE. [03:20:01] THE LATER SUBMISSION? SURE. SO, UM, AFTER, AFTER, UH, AFTER D R C MEETING, UH, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMMENTS WAS WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A RATHER LARGE FACADE OF GLASS, UM, THAT FROM THE STREET, UM, BACK TO, I THINK MAR WE'RE TRYING, MARLA'S TRYING TO SHOW SOME OF THE IMAGE OF SOME OF THE, YEAH, WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING SO WE CAN SHOW JUST THE CHA THE REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE? SO, SO THIS WAS, THIS FACADE RIGHT HERE IS JUST SHOWING, UM, CHANGE. UH, WE HAD BASICALLY A FLOOR TO CEILING GLASS INTERRUPTED BY A, BY A CANOPY. UM, AND SINCE THE D R C MEETING, WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE KIND OF TAKEN, UM, SOME DETAILS FROM SOME PREVIOUSLY ENCLOSED PORCHES THAT WERE TURNED, UH, INTO GLASS ENCLOSED PORCHES. UM, SO WE BASICALLY HAVE DIVIDED UP THE WINDOWS IN A VERY SIMILAR PROPORTION TO, TO, UH, PREVIOUSLY ENCLOSED SCREEN PORCHES. SO THAT, THAT WAS A DESIGN CHANGE. UH, UH, ANOTHER DESIGN CHANGE IS THAT WE ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO BRICK, UM, AND A STACKED PATTERN. UM, BUT THE BRICK IS, IS, IS NOW THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE, UH, ENVELOPE. UM, AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO PICK ON SOME OF THE DETAILS FROM, FROM THE MAIN, UH, EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE. UM, OUR, OUR TAKE ON THE STAIRS KIND OF A MODERN, UH, KIND OF A MODERN TWIST ON SOMETHING THAT DOES EXIST HISTORICALLY, WHICH ARE BALLISTERS ARE INCH AND A QUARTER BY INCH AND A QUARTER, WHICH ARE, THERE'S TONS AND TONS OF EXAMPLES THROUGHOUT KING WILLIAM THAT OF, OF HANDRAILS, UH, AND GUARDRAILS THAT ARE INCH AND A QUARTER BY INCH AND A QUARTER BALLISTERS. UM, THE MAIN REASON TO WANT TO DO IT OUT OF STAIR IS, IS SO THAT LONGEVITY. AND, AND AT THE END OF THE, THE SLIDES HERE, THE DESIGN SLIDES, UM, OUR CLIENT IS WILLING TO CONCEDE TO BORDEN BATTEN IF, IF THAT HELPS US GET THROUGH CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. HER, HER, UM, AGAIN, SHE'S, SHE'S, SHE'S INVESTED QUITE A BIT OF MONEY INTO THIS PROPERTY, AND SHE IS LOOKING FOR AS LITTLE MAINTENANCE, UM, AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT RICK WAS THE SOLUTION TO, TO, TO LITTLE TO NO MAINTENANCE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE ALTERNATIVE, UH, WOULD BE TO GO TO PAINTED CEMENT BOARD, UH, UH, BOARD AND BATTEN. SO I THINK SOME OF THE DISCUSSION DURING THE D R C, UM, THERE WAS THE, THE OBSERVATION THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE POSITIONING THE PROPOSED NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE AREA OF WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING WAS AND IS SORT OF IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU HAVE AN ECCENTRIC SITUATION HERE WHERE THE HOUSE IS AT KIND OF A, A, A RESTING ANGLE BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, A POSITION TO ADDRESS THE CORNER AT WASHINGTON AND BOGAR. UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT ALL THE MATURE VEGETATION, BUT FELT LIKE THOSE THAT WAS NOT AS, UM, STRONG AN ARGUMENT, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, IN FAVOR OF, OF, OF JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT IS WAY BACK ON, ON THE DRIVE AND VERY LITTLE VISUAL, UM, ACCESS TO IT EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS. I THINK THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS THAT, UM, KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ELSEWHERE, OFTEN THE OUTBUILDINGS WERE DONE OR THE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS WERE DONE IN, IN LESS NOBLE MATERIALS. AND, UH, THAT'S WHY WE HAD SUGGESTED MAYBE LOOKING AT THE WOOD RATHER THAN THE BRICK OF THE HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH WE, WE GET THAT YOU WERE, UH, RELATING IT TO, TO THE HOUSE IN, IN SOME WAY. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, AN, AN AN ISSUE THAT I THINK YOU COULD DEVELOP, UH, FURTHER, WHETHER YOU'RE DOING IT WITH THE, THE BRICK OR, OR THE WOOD. I COULD, UH, SEE IT, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD AS PART OF YOUR, UH, STIPULATIONS TO INVESTIGATE THAT, THAT BIT. UH, ONE PERSONAL COMMENT THAT I HAVE, UH, WAS A CONCERN ABOUT JUST THE CONFLATION OF THE STAIR AND THE, AND THE, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDINGS DESIGN, CONNECTING THOSE TOGETHER, WHETHER THAT WAS MAKING THINGS OVERLY COMPLEX OR NOT, WHETHER, WHETHER THERE WAS A, A SIMPLER SOLUTION TO THAT. I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CHANGE IN MATERIALS. UM, I'M IN A HOUSE THAT'S NEWER THAN THIS, BUT IT'S, IT HAS A CAST IRON STAIR THAT GOES DOWN THE, THE BACK OF IT. SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL, UH, TO SOMETIMES FIND, UH, METAL STAIRS EVEN IN [03:25:01] HISTORIC CONTEXT. BEFORE WE GET INTO MORE COMMENTS BY THE, UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION, WE DO HAVE CITIZEN TO BE HEARD. YES, WE DO. MARGARET LEEDS, THANK YOU. I'M HERE REPRESENTING KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION AT 1 2 2 MADISON, AND I WILL BE READING AND RECORD A LETTER WHICH YOU HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT WITH THE APPLICANT ON AND THE ARCHITECT ON AUGUST FIVE. WE EXPRESSED OUR CONCERN THAT SEVERAL OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE UNNECESSARILY BEING DISREGARDED IN THE PROPOSED DESIGN. SPECIFICALLY THE PROPOSED PRIMARY FACADE IS FULL HEIGHT, WALL TO WALL GLASS, NOWHERE IN THE GUIDELINES NOR IN OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THERE A PRECEDENT THAT SUGGESTS THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE APPLICATION OF A SINGULAR MATERIAL ON AN ENTIRE FACADE. A COMBINATION OF SOLIDS TO VOIDS WITH PROPERLY PROPORTIONED WINDOWS AND APPROPRIATE WALL MATERIALS SHOULD BE COMPOSED ON THE PRIMARY ELEVATION FACING BO REGARD TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH AND NOT DISTRACT FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. WE AGREE WITH THE D R C SUGGESTION THAT THE STAIR FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE NOT ENGAGE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT WE TAKE NO EXCEPTION TO STEEL STAIR CONSTRUCTION. WE CONCUR WITH THE D R C AND O H P STAFF FINDINGS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO DENY APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. WE ALSO AGREE THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO REVISE THE DESIGN AND PROVIDE AN APPROPRIATE SOLUTION THAT COMPLIES WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES CLEARLY ANNOTATED BY THE STAFF. AND IF I MAY ADD IN OUR MEETINGS, WE ALSO CONSIDERED THE, UH, LANDSCAPING. AND IN ITS PRESENT STATE, IT IS GREATLY OVERGROWN AND, UH, OBSTRUCTS THE SIDEWALK. AND OUR CONCERN WAS THAT A PREVIOUS SONAR MIGHT REMOVE THAT VEGETATION THAT NOW MASKS WHAT WOULD BE A GLASS BOX WITH THIS DESIGN AND, UH, LEAVE IT FULLY TO VIEW. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. MORE CITIZENS, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, BE WILLING TO COME BACK WITH MAYBE EXPLORING. I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE EXPLORED THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, MIXING THE BRICK OR THE BOARD AND BAT, BUT THE WINDOWS I THINK IS STILL AN ISSUE. I DON'T WANT YOU TO LIKE, REMOVE ALL THE WINDOWS AND THEN IMPLEMENT BRICK OR REMOVE ALL THE WINDOWS. LIKE CAN YOU MAYBE, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU WANT THE WINDOWS, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. WELL, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A FINAL APPROVAL, SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE WILLING TO, TO, UM, TAKE, TAKE ADDITIONAL, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. I'D LIKE TO SHOW THIS PROJECT. THIS IS A PROJECT, UM, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM, FROM, FROM THE CURRENT PROPERTY. IT WAS AN EXISTING SCREEN PORCH. UM, IRONICALLY ENOUGH, I WORKED ON THIS PROJECT, UM, IN BOTH STATES IN THE SCREEN PORCH STATE, AND ALSO THE GLASS ENCLOSURE. SO, UM, THIS IS A, THIS IS LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH, UM, DESIGN WISE, UH, PROPORTION WISE IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO, UM, TO, TO OUR PROPORTION OF WINDOWS. SO I WOULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THERE ARE, THERE ARE MANY LOCATIONS WITHIN KING WILLIAM, UM, THAT YOU CAN FIND, THAT WE CAN FIND, UM, THAT, THAT SHOW THAT THAT, THAT THIS PARTICULAR DETAILING IS, HAS BEEN ACHIEVED. AND I, I, I SUPPORT A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL. AND ACTUALLY, I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THE METAL STAIRS. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE CAN MAYBE TALK ABOUT, UM, MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT THOSE WINDOWS AND YOU CAN STATE YOUR CASE. MAYBE WE HELP IF YOU GET SOME ADDRESSES OR WHERE, HOW FAR THEY ARE, OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BLOCK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. YOU CAN FIND WAYS OF SAYING THAT. UM, IF YOU'RE SUPPORTING CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, I MEAN, I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, YEAH, I, I ACTUALLY, UM, DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE, THE ORIGINAL, WITH THE WINDOWS AND THE BRICK, UM, OR THE NEW PROPOSAL. SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, WHAT YOU GUYS CAN COME BACK WITH, WITH THE SUGGESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS. [03:30:01] BUT I, I THINK I COULD SUPPORT CON UH, THE, UH, PRELIMINARY APPROVAL ON BOTH OF THESE. I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I DO A MOTION TO CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE, UH, ITEM ONE AND ITEM TWO SECOND. IF I SHOULD ADD STIPULATIONS ITEM? YEAH. WITH STIPULATIONS, UH, ONE THROUGH THREE. I HAVE A MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AS NOTED. UM, I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. THE MOTION IS SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HERE. UM, TO ME THE, THE MATERIAL RESOLUTION, I GUESS IS, UH, THE BIGGER PART. I, I THINK THE MASS AND SCALE AND POSITION ON THE SIDE IS APPROPRIATE. THE STRUCTURE THAT, UH, WAS THERE AND REMOVED HAD A FLAT ROOF. I THINK THE ROOF FORM IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE, UH, IT, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. THE RESOLUTION OF THE GLASS ELEMENTS ABOVE THE ROOF LINE GIVES ME SOME PAUSE. UH, BUT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE GLASS ELEMENT IN FRONT, UH, AS ESSENTIALLY A MODIFIED SCREEN PORCH, I, I THINK, UM, CAN BE APPROPRIATE. I'D ASK WHEN YOU COME BACK, SHOW US SOME PRECEDENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SUGGESTS HOW YOU'RE TYING IN THAT MATERIAL. UM, I ALSO THINK THAT THE MATERIAL OF KIND OF THE SOLID BIT OF THE STRUCTURE IN THE BACK WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST SERVED AS A SUBORDINATE MATERIAL TO THE BUILDING. BUT THERE ARE, UH, COMMISSIONERS WHO BELIEVE THE BRICK IS, IS FINE AS WELL. SO I'LL SUPPORT, UM, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU GUYS. YOU [B-16 19-6325 Address/Description: 233 GREENLAWN HDRC Case No.: 2019-433 Applicant: ARMENDARIZ RUBEN P & Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 1] AGENDA ITEM B 16 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 33, 2 33 GREEN LAWN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE SIX WOOD WINDOWS NOTED AS WINDOWS NUMBER 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, AND 18 PER THE SUBMITTED WINDOW SCHEDULE WITH ALUMINUM CLOUD WINDOWS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B. THERE IS A CASE COMMENT AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO REPLACED SIX WOOD WINDOWS, WINDOWS NUMBER 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, AND 18 PER THE WINDOW SCHEDULE WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SIX WOOD WINDOWS SEVEN THROUGH 12 PER THE SUBMITTED WINDOW SCHEDULE HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE. I'M CYNTHIA DIAZ DELAN, AND THIS FEELS LIKE SUCH SMALL POTATOES AFTER ALL THIS STUFF YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING TO. NOTHING SMALL HERE. THIS MY HUSBAND, REUBEN ARMAND. AND, UM, WE ARE HERE WITH 2 33 GREENLAWN. WE HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 25 AND A HALF YEARS. THE, ALL OF THE YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN MARRIED, AND WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP EVERY BIT OF THOSE 25 YEARS WITH THIS 90 YEAR OLD HOUSE. UM, WE, IN 2015, THE FRONT DOOR WALL BECAUSE OF WATER DAMAGE AND TERMITE DAMAGE WAS FALLING IN. AND SO IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY WE BEGAN A PROJECT TO REDO THAT FRONT WALL. UM, AND SO THAT INCLUDED ONE OF THE WINDOWS THAT WAS REPLACED AND WAS BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO DAMAGED. SO WE WENT AHEAD, WE TOOK THE PROJECT, GOT BIGGER AS THEY OFTEN DO, AND WENT AROUND AND SO THEN ONTO THE PORCH. AND SO THOSE SIX WINDOWS WERE REPLACED IN 2015, WHERE STAGE TWO WAS GONNA BE MOVING ON SO THAT THEY WOULD ALL MATCH. UM, WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE RUBEN'S OPEN HEART SURGERY AND SUBSEQUENT VERY LENGTHY, UM, RECOVERY. AND SO WE BEGAN LOOKING AT THIS NEXT PROJECT. UM, AT THE END OF 2018. WE WERE INFORMED THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED FOR HISTORIC, UM, DESIGNATION, BUT WE DON'T EITHER OF US RECALL EVER GETTING THE LETTER. WE REMEMBER THAT TWO OR THREE OTHER LETTERS, WE NEVER REMEMBER GETTING THAT LAST LETTER [03:35:01] THAT SAID WE HAD BEEN APPROVED. SO WE MOVED FORWARD TO, UH, SWITCH OUT THESE WINDOWS SO THAT THEY WOULD MATCH. AND WHEN THE GUY ACROSS THE STREET HAD A SIGN AND WE SAW IT, WE CALLED AND FOUND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. BY THAT TIME, WE HAD PURCHASED THE OTHER PELLA WINDOWS TO MATCH THE ONES THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY BOUGHT. UM, AND WHEN I CALLED OUR PELLA GUY, RON, HE SAID THAT THE SERIES THAT WE ARE USING IS THE ONLY SERIES THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE NATIONAL PARK REGISTER. IS THAT THE, DOES THAT THE TERM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HAS DEEMED IT AS APPROPRIATE HISTORICALLY CORRECT. FOR, UH, REPLACEMENT WINDOWS? HE SAID IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE MITRE THAT YOU ALL WOULD KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW. AND SO, UM, HE SAID THOSE, IT'S ALSO THE SAME SERIES THAT WAS USED ON THE HOTEL, EMMA. UH, SO BECAUSE THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS BEGUN BEFORE OUR STREET WENT HISTORIC, AND BECAUSE NOT USING THEM WOULD REALLY MAKE THE FRONT OF OUR HOUSE LOOK WEIRD. AND BECAUSE THE WINDOWS THAT WE ARE USING HAVE BEEN, BEEN DEEMED HISTORICALLY, UM, APPROPRIATE, I WOULD REQUEST APPROVAL, UM, TO REPLACE THESE WINDOWS. OH, TO EVERYTHING SHE SAYS . AND THOSE LOVELY SCREENS HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE WE MOVED IN. I'M JUST GONNA SAY, CAN STAFF CLARIFY THAT? THESE, UM, ARE ALUMINUM WOOD CLAD WINDOWS, THE WOOD, THE WOOD INTERIOR CLAD EXTERIOR. DID YOU, THERE'S A PICTURE SOMEWHERE THAT I SENT OF THE WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN USED TO REPLACE, I HAVE THE, I MEAN, I, YOU GUYS, WELL, YEAH, YOU GUYS KNOW WINDOWS. SO THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE REPLACED ARE ON YOUR FRONT PORCH AND ALONG THE FRONT, MOST OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT. SO THERE ARE FIVE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THREE OF THOSE HAVE BEEN REPLACED, AND THESE TWO ARE THE NEXT TWO NEXT TO THEM, AND THEN THE FOUR ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. CORRECT. YOU REPLACED ONE THROUGH SIX AS WELL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE? NOT YET. THAT'S STAGE THREE. OKAY. SO THAT'S, AND ALSO NINE, EIGHT AND SEVEN ARE NOT REPLACED EITHER. WHICH OF THOSE RIGHT BY THE PORCH. THOSE HAVE BEEN REPLACED ALL ALONG THE PORCH AND ALL IN THE FRONT. SO THOSE, SO THOSE THREE IN THE FRONT, THOSE SEVEN, SEVEN THROUGH 12, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN. SO SEVEN THROUGH 12 HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED. CORRECT. IN 2015, THE MASON TOOK DOWN THE ROCK AND SAVED IT AND THEN RE REDID THE FRONT AND, BUT PUT IN THOSE WINDOWS, YOUR WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE HAVE, UM, SO THOSE ARE THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT ADJOIN THE LAKE ARE NEXT TO THE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED. WELL, YOU KEEP THE SCREENS. I NOT IF I DON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO GET RID OF THOSE. THOSE ARE DEFINITELY NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. NO, NO. EDWARD, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PLAN? MY LOVELY RENDERING ALSO. SO WE NEED TO KNOW, SO WINDOWS SEVEN THROUGH 12 HAVE BEEN REPLACED CORRECT. WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD PROPOSING TO USE THE SAME WINDOW EXACTLY. FOR 13 THROUGH 18? CORRECT. SO NORMALLY WHAT WE LOOK AT IS THAT YOU REPLACE IN KIND WHEN REPLACEMENT IS NEEDED AND IT'S UNREPAIRABLE DID STUFF STAFF JUST OUT OF THE PICTURES IS THE WHY STAFF DID THAT STIPULATION OR HAVE THEY BEEN OUT THERE? I COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? UH, DID STAFF FIND IT? STAFF FIND THE WINDOWS REPAIRABLE. AND THOSE, THAT'S WHY YOU RECOMMEND, UM, YOU DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL? CORRECT. IS THAT BASED ON PICTURES OR HAVE YOU BEEN ON A SITE VISIT? I, I'M, AS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION, STAFF MADE A SITE VISIT. UH, I WASN'T . NO, I BELIEVE SO. THERE, THERE'S SEVERAL WINDOWS THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR. YOU CAN SEE IN SOME OF THE PICTURES WHERE THE MEETING RAIL IS JUST DISINTEGRATED. UM, THAT THAT'S [03:40:01] ONE THERE. UM, BUT THE MAIN ISSUE IS THAT FOR THIS, FOR A, WE SOMETIMES SEE LIKE ALUMINUM PLA WOOD WINDOWS INSTALLED IN A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. AND THAT'S TYPICALLY OKAY FOR RESIDENTIAL HOUSES. WE ALMOST ALWAYS RECOMMEND A TRADITIONAL WOOD WINDOW. SO AGAIN, PELLET GUY RON SAID THAT HE'S PUT A LOT OF THESE IN MONTE VISTA. THAT'S, DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS OF THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY REPLACED? YES, I HAD, UM, MAYBE ON MY PHONE I HAD SUBMITTED ONE. UM, YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE PHOTO OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE BLACK WINDOWS OR THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, THE BRUSHED BRONZE OR WHATEVER. YEAH. AND THEY'RE DARK BRONZE COLOR. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVAL ON THIS BECAUSE SEVEN THROUGH 12 HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED. RIGHT. AND SHE'S GOING THROUGH THE EFFORT TO MATCH THOSE. SO I KNOW IT IS A CASE BY CASE BASIS. SO, I MEAN, I, I, I'M COMFORTABLE, UH, APPROVING THIS. THAT A MOTION? YES. . SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ONE FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAYYY PASSES. THANK YOU. [B-17 19-6309 Address/Description: 321 E DEWEY PLACE HDRC Case No.: 2019-469 Historic District Name: Tobin Hill Applicant: Linda Ricks/Reconstruction Design LLC Request: Exterior modifications, site modifications, demolition of rear accessory structure, construction of 1-story rear accessory structure City Council Dist.: 1] AGENDA ITEM B 17 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 69 3 21 EAST DEWEY PLACE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH AN EXISTING ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THE STRUCTURE WAS REMOVED PRIOR TO OBTAINING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. TWO. CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO MEASURE APPROXIMATELY 972 SQUARE FEET. THREE. REPLACE THE EXISTING ROOFING WITH AN ASPHALT ROOF. FOUR. MODIFY THE EXISTING CONCRETE STAIRS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. FIVE. INSTALL A NEW BRICK FRONT WALKWAY. SIX, INSTALL BRICK SKIRTING AND SEVEN, INSTALL NEW CORINTHIAN COLUMNS FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE DUE TO A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE AS NOTED IN FINDING B FOR ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE NEW REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A FINAL SIDING SPECIFICATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. STAFF FINDS WOOD, WOOD LAP SIDING WITH THE MAXIMUM REVEAL OF FOUR INCHES TO BE APPROPRIATE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS GARAGE DOOR SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. STAFF FINDS WOOD CARRIAGE STYLE OVERHEAD DOORS TO BE APPROPRIATE. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A COMPOSITE SHINGLE OR STANDING SEA METAL ROOF IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED ROLL ASPHALT ROOFING AND SUBMITS A PRODUCT SPECIFICATION TO STAFF. FOUR. THE APPLICANT REMOVES THE PILE ASER DETAIL FROM THE FRONT FACADE. ABATED DRAWINGS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE RECEIVING CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT PAYS THE POST-WORK APPLICATION FEE FOR REMOVAL OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PRIOR TO APPROVAL. THIS IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW GARAGE. ITEM THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT OF THE SECONDARY ROOF LINES BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PRIMARY STANDING SEA METAL ROOF IS RETAINED. ITEM FOUR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONCRETE STAIRWAY MODIFICATION BASED ON FINDING E ITEM FIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WALKWAY MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE WALKWAY BE POURED CONCRETE IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED BRICK PAVERS. TWO, THAT THE WALKWAY BE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR INCHES IN WIDTH FOR MINIMUM EXPANSE OF 23 FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK PRIOR TO THE TAPERING TO MEET THE STAIRCASE. THREE. THE NEW THAT THE NEW WALKWAY ALIGNS WITH THE EXISTING CONCRETE PAD BETWEEN THE EXISTING SIDEWALK AND THE STREET TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY, THE WALKWAY MAY INCORPORATE A SLIGHT BEND TO MEET THE FRONT DOOR AXIS IF NECESSARY. AND FOUR, THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN UPDATED SITE PLAN THAT INCORPORATES THESE CHANGES PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE [03:45:01] OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. REGARDS TO ITEM FIVE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF BRICK SKIRTING BASED ON FINDING G. EXCUSE ME. THAT WAS ITEM SIX FOR ITEM SEVEN. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CORINTHIAN COLUMN INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING H THERE'S A CASE COMMENT. THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS REMOVED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A, OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR PERMIT. POST-WORK APP APPLICATION FEE DOES APPLY AND HAS NOT YET BEEN PAID. APPLICANT HERE, PLEASE. MY NAME IS LINDA RICKS AND I RESIDE AT 3 21 EAST STEWY PLACE. THE UM, THE ONE THING THAT I HAD HAD TOLD STEPHANIE IS THAT MY WALKWAY PRESENTLY IS SIX FEET WIDE. AND SO, I MEAN, AND I HAVE A PICTURE OF IT 'CAUSE THE CITY HAD, UH, REPLACED PARTS. I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU IF YOU WANT. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE NEW PART IS. OF COURSE. THE OBJECTIVE HERE IS TO GET THE WALKWAY CENTERED ON THE COLUMNS AND IT'S NEVER BEEN CENTERED. AND THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE NEVER DID HAVE, UH, CONCRETE STEPS WHEN I PURCHASED IT. IT, IT, THEY WERE WOOD. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE AT LEAST HAVING THE SIX FEET. I WOULD PREFER EIGHT, BUT, UM, I, I THINK I CAN MAKE IT WORK WITH SIX. CAN YOU COMMENT ON THE OTHER, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF YES. UM, HAS MADE BECAUSE THEY'RE FAIRLY DETAILED. YES, YES, YES. NO, UM, EVERYTHING IS IS VERY CLEAR. I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO ME. UM, THE ONE THING THAT I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED IN IS THE FACT THAT, UM, I COULDN'T DO THE BRICK AT FOR MY SKIRTING AND I'VE GOT THE WHITE ANTIQUE BRICK THAT WAS SLEPT ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO USE FOR THE SKIRTING. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO DO THE HERRINGBONE PATTERN FOR THE WALKWAY. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD CONSIDER? DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE BRICK? I CAN BRING YOU ONE . I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME. NO. OH, IT'S THERE IT IS IN THE BACKYARD. IT'S RIGHT THERE. IT'S ALL PACKED UP IN THERE. THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE. THAT'S SUFFICIENT ENOUGH FOR HOW MUCH OF THE, UH, SKIRTING ARE YOU WANTING TO DO? JUST I'M JUST GONNA DO THE FRONT, THE FRONT AND THE TWO SIDES. AND THE REST OF IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE DOESN'T REQUIRE IT. IT'S ALREADY GOT THE, UH, THE OTHER TITLE JEFF, UH, EXPLAINED TO ME. 'CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UH, TWO THINGS. THE PILE ASTER THAT'S MADE REFERENCE TO THAT. YOU'RE ASKING FOR REMOVAL. AND THE SECOND ONE, THE CORINTHIAN COLUMN CAPITAL, WHAT IS IT COMPOSED OF? THE, THE REPLACEMENT? WELL THERE'S, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T BOMBED THAT. YOU HAVE THE, YOU'RE GONNA USE TERRACOTTA CAPITALS, CORRECT? NO, I WAS NOT. SO WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR REPLACEMENT THERE? THERE'S SEVERAL QUALITIES THAT YOU CAN GET, GET THEM IN. THERE'S RESIN AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER KIND, UM, THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO, UH, THE ORIGINAL. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE THE PIECES 'CAUSE THE OTHER ONES, UM, THE ENTIRE BACKS OF THEM WERE COMPLETELY DESTROYED. UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE WORLD THAT EVER HAPPENED, BUT I KEPT THE PIECES OF THE OLD ONES. AND, UM, BUT THE, UM, I HAVEN'T ORDERED, I MEAN I HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT GETTING THOSE ORDERED YET 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT READY FOR THEM. IN OTHER CASES WHERE, UH, COLUMN CAPITALS HAVE BEEN MISSING, OR IN SOME CASES WHERE THE ENTIRE COLUMN SHAFT BASE HANG CAPITAL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, UM, STAFF IS ABLE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS. THE, THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY, UM, GET APPROVAL AND INSTALL A CAPITAL THAT, UM, HAS THE MATERIAL TEXTURE AND OVERALL PROFILE OF SOMETHING THAT'S COMP OR ONE THAT'S COMPARABLE OF WHAT ORIGINALLY WOULD'VE BEEN THERE AND NOT, UM, A P V C OR A FIBERGLASS MATERIAL. UM, IN PAST CASES, STAFF HAS BEEN ABLE TO APPROVE THESE ADMINISTRATIVELY AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT, UM, MEETS WITH STAFF AND GOES OVER THE PRODUCT PRIOR TO [03:50:01] PURCHASING. OH YEAH. OF COURSE MATTER WHAT KIND YOU BUY, THEY'RE STILL EXPENSIVE. OKAY, I'VE GOT, I I THINK I HAVE EVERYTHING CLEAR. I WAS JUST CONCERNED, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SKIRTING AND I, YOU KNOW, I I I REALLY RESEARCHED THE, UH, THE HOUSE. I'M AN INTERIOR DESIGNER AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. SO I WOULD LOVE TO DO THE BRICK AND I WOULD LOVE TO DO THE HEARING BOW. COULD I, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR ON ITEM TWO. THIS IS UNDER THE RECOMMENDATIONS ITEM TWO, STIPULATION, STIPULATION FOUR. SORRY FOR STAFF. UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT PILASTER YOU'RE WANTING TO RE HAVE REMOVED IN THE DESIGN FOR THE ACCESSORY? OH, IS, ARE, ARE THEY, I THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE. I HAD PUT THE SMALL EIGHT INCH, UM, HOLLISTERS IN, AND I WAS GONNA REPEAT THE SAME. THE, UH, IF, UH, COMMISSION COULD, UM, HERE IN THE, THE PLAN IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, THERE'S, UH, COLUMNS THAT ARE, UH, PROPOSED TO BE INSTALLED ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE GARAGE THAT ARE, UM, MEANT TO RELATE TO THOSE ON THE FRONT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE, UH, NOTING SHOULD BE REMOVED. YEAH. SO I THINK WHAT STAFF IS ADVOCATING HERE, AND THIS KIND OF TIES INTO THE, UH, THE HERRINGBONE PATTERN OF THE SIDEWALK AND, AND EVEN THE BRICK SKIRTING, IS THAT THE REHABILITATION BE AS AUTHENTIC IN THE CHARACTER OF THE ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE. AND, UH, TO NOT MAKE THINGS OVERLY ELABORATE OR, UM, MORE ORNATE THAN THEY WERE HISTORICALLY. AND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A COMPLETELY NEW CONSTRUCTION, TO GO BACK AND PUT IT IN PILE ASTERS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, UH, OF, OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS I THINK, UH, IF, IF I PUT WORDS IN THE MOUTHS OF THE, OF THE STAFF IS, IS SORT OF, IS OVERLY EMBELLISHING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE JUST A MORE SIMPLY DEALT WITH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S FINE. I, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I JUST FELT LIKE THAT IT, IT TOOK THE PERIOD. I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND. BUT I TOOK, I FELT IT TOOK THE PERIOD TO, TO SO THAT YOU'RE, 'CAUSE YOU'LL SEE A PORTION OF IT FROM THE DRIVEWAY. WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WE DISTINCT WHAT WAS FROM THAT PERIOD. AND WHAT'S THE NEW, BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING NEW NOTHING, NOTHING'S CHANGING. I MEAN, ALL THE STYLE IS GONNA BE EXACTLY THE SAME. NO, NO, NO. STYLE WISE, YES. BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT WE ATE IS THE PROPERTY THAT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS AND WHAT'S BUILT NOW. THAT'S WHY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WOULD YOU BE OKAY TO REMOVE THOSE? IT'S FINE. IT'LL . SO GIVEN THAT THE BRICK IS ON THE SITE ALREADY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, UH, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT'S OPINION OF THE PERMEABLE SIDEWALK VERSUS THE CONCRETE. WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF DOING A BRICK PAVER? IT, MAYBE IT'S NOT HERRINGBONE, BUT, WELL, I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT IS, UH, TRADITIONAL FOR THIS HOME AND FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IF CONCRETE WOULD'VE BEEN THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL, THEN I THINK CONCRETE SHOULD BE, UH, THE REPLACEMENT MATERIAL. OKAY. SO, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SKIRTING? I CAN READ STAFF'S FINDINGS IF THE COMMISSION WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. UM, SO FINDING G THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LATTICE SKIRTING WITH BRICK ACCORDING TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE HEIGHT PROPORTION EXPOSURE FORM IN DETAILS OF A FOUNDATION SUCH AS DECORATIVE VENT GRILLS AND LATTICE WORK SHOULD BE PRESERVED WHEN IN, EXCUSE ME, WHEN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT IS NOT POSSIBLE. USE FEATURES MATCHING IN SIZE MATERIAL AND DESIGN REPLACEMENT SKIRTING SHOULD CONSIST OF DURABLE PROVEN MATERIALS AND SHOULD EITHER MATCH THE EXISTING SIDING OR BE APPLIED, APPLIED TO HAVE MINIMAL VISUAL IMPACT. TRADITIONALLY NEOCLASSICAL STYLE BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT AND REGION FEATURED CONCRETE OR WOOD LAP SKIRTING DOES NOT FIND THE USE OF BRICK FOR SKIRTING APPROPRIATE. I DO AGREE WITH THAT ONE. I THINK ON THE BRICK PAVERS, UM, COMMISSIONER LAO HAS A BIG, UH, POINT. I MEAN IT'S MOSTLY CONCRETE WHAT WE FIND IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO FOR THIS KIND OF HOME. UM, [03:55:02] I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF BRICK PAVEMENT OR WALKWAYS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I DON'T, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ABOUT, UH, YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT'S FOUND ON THE STREET AND WHAT WAS, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, ARE, ARE Y'ALL GOING TO ALLOW ME TO DO, UH, THE SIX FOOT WIDTH OF THE CONCRETE OR ARE YOU GONNA LET ME GO TO EIGHT? TO BE CLEAR, YOU HAVE SIX FOOT ON SITE RIGHT NOW, IS THAT WHAT YES, MM-HMM. ? YEAH. SO I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, FOR, UH, APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, WITH A FURTHER CLARIFICATION THAT THE, UH, SIDEWALK APPROACH SIDEWALK BE, UH, SIX FEET AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT AND THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, UH, VERIFY WITH STAFF THE FINAL MATERIAL SELECTION FOR THE CORINTHIAN COLUMN, UH, CAPITAL REPLACEMENTS. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THAT'S FAIR. YOU'RE APPROVING ITEM NUMBER SIX. UM, I, I SAID, UM, APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SO ITEM NUMBER SIX DOES NOT APPROVE THE, UH, INSTALLATION OF BRICK SKIRTING AT THE BASE SUPPORTING STAFF'S, UH, FINDINGS HERE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UM, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SCALE AND THE DEPTH OF THE, THE OFFSET, THE SETBACK OF, OF THE HOUSE, I THINK THE SIX FEET APPROACH OF THE CONCRETE SIDEWALK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE MAJESTIC, UH, ASPECT OF HIS HOUSE. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THAT. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CURRENT SIDEWALK ORIENTATION NOT BEING CENTERED ON THE STAIRS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PORTION BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB. UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THAT YOU CAN REMOVE AND REPLACE. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS? CAN SHE REALIGN THAT TO THE CENTER LINE OF THE THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR. WELL, AND I DEFER TO STAFF, IS THAT STILL, UH, CONSIDERED WITHIN THE PUBLIC, CONSIDERED WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND, UH, WOULD HAVE TO REMAIN AS A VESTIGIAL ASPECT OF THIS MISTAKE THAT, UH, UH, WELL, ANY PORTION, UM, I MEAN, IT WOULD NEED TO BE VERIFIED BY THE APPLICANT VIA SURVEY, BUT ANY PORTION, UM, THAT'S ON HER PROPERTY, UM, I BELIEVE PER THE, UM, AND I'LL ACTUALLY, I'LL RE REREAD STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR THAT. THE ANSWER IS YES, THEY'RE ABLE TO MODIFY THE LOCATION BY A FEW INCHES TO DO THAT. UH, SECOND. SO SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO REALIGN THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK FROM THE PORCH TO THE CURB, RIGHT? YES. THE HOUSE INCLUDING THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO, JUST TO RESTATE AND CLARIFY MY, MY MOTION, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, THAT THE APPROACH WALK BE CONCRETE SIX FEET WIDE AND CENTERED ON THE, UH, PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AND THAT, UH, THE, UH, ITEM SIX, UH, UH, BRICK SKIRTING IS NOT APPROVED. ALRIGHT, I, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND AS NOTED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, AND I HAD MY ORIGINAL AND I CARRY IT OVER THAT THE CORINTHIAN COLUMN MATERIALS BE CONFIRMED WITH STAFF. NO, I'LL TALK TO THEM ABOUT ALL OF THAT STUFF. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AGENDA [B-18 19-6289 Address/Description: 323 LEIGH ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-470 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Desiree Williams Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 1] ITEM, UH, B 18 3 23 LEE HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO [B-19 19-6213 Address/Description: 343 W HOLLYWOOD AVE HDRC Case No.: 2019-460 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Mario Pena/PENA MARIO A Request: Demolition of addition, construction of a 1-story addition, site modifications, rear accessory modifications, fencing City Council Dist.: 1] AGENDA ITEM B NINE H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 64, EXCUSE ME, 3 43 WEST HOLLYWOOD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH AN EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL SIDE AND REAR EDITION. TWO. TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY SIDE AND REAR EDITION. THREE, TO MODIFY THE REAR NON-ORIGINAL FENESTRATION TO FEATURE A SERIES OF FULL HEIGHT GLASS WINDOWS AND DOORS FORWARD TO REPLACE A PORTION OF NON-ORIGINAL SHINGLE ROOFING WITH A COMPOSITE BARREL TILE. ROOFING PRODUCT FIVE, MODIFY THE EXISTING FRONT STAIRS AND WALKWAY. SIX, MODIFY THE EXISTING FRONT GATE CONFIGURATION. SEVEN. TO MODIFY THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO INCLUDE A ONE STORY ADDITION TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 150 SQUARE FEET AND EIGHT TO CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT [04:00:01] FOOT TALL WOODEN PRIVACY FENCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE. THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING ADDITION BASED ON FINDING B. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO. EXCUSE ME. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE, THE NEW ADDITION BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, UH, THIS IS STAFF'S WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS. ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD, WINDOWS AND DOORS. THE FINAL SPECIFICATION SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A FOUR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ROOFING REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING H WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. FIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE STAIRS AND WALKWAY MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT A BRICK SPECIFICATION BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND TWO, THAT A DETAILED DRAWING OF THE STAIRWAY AND FRONT LANDING CONFIGURATION BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF WITH ALL DIMENSIONS. PRIOR TO RECEIVING A C O A SIX STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT GATE MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL HEIGHT AND OVERALL DIMENSIONS BE RETAINED. TWO, THAT A BRICK SPECIFICATION AND STUCCO FINISH AND COLOR BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THREE, THAT A DETAILED DRAWING OF THE WALL PILLARS AND WR IRON FENCING BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF WITH ALL DIMENSIONS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A C O A AND FOUR. THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF AN APPROVED FENCE MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AS APPROVED BY THE H D R C AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. ADDITIONALLY, ALL FENCES MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE U D C SECTION 35 504. ITEM SEVEN, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, MODIFICATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING K WITH STIPULATIONS, THE STIPULATIONS OR STAFF'S WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS. AND ITEM EIGHT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE EIGHT FOOT TALL PRIVACY FENCE BASED ON FINDING L WITH THE STIPULATION, UH, THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE, OF THE APPROVED FENCE NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AS APPROVED BY THE H D R C. AND THE FENCE MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN U D C SECTION 35 514. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT UP. UM, AND THEN ALSO LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ HAS RECUSED HERSELF AND HAS LEFT THE ROOM. GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE YOU, MARIO PENA FOR THE RECORD? UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT ME TO GET STARTED. YOU WANNA GO LINE BY LINE OR? WELL, LET'S, LET'S DO IT. SEE IF WE CAN BE, UH, SURGICAL AND TACTICAL ABOUT THIS. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN STAFF STIPULATIONS HERE. ARE THERE ANY THAT, UH, YOU ARE OBJECTING TO OR ARE YOU OBJECTING TO ALL OF THEM? I AGREE WITH ALL OF THEM, AND I'M NOT OBJECTING TO ANY OF THEM, ALTHOUGH I DO, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO APPEAL, UM, FOR THE WINDOW MATERIAL, UM, FOR SEVERAL REASONS. BUT THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY SIMULATION I THINK I, I I NEED TO BRING UP HERE TO THE BOARD. OUR STANDARD WINDOW, OUR STANDARD WINDOW RELATIONS ARE WHAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE. I THINK THE REST OF 'EM, WE, WE, WE'VE, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE STAFF AND WE AGREE. AND WE'VE GOT A, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALREADY STARTED SENDING THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE, FOR THE REST OF THE STIPULATIONS. ARE YOU PROPOSING FOR YOUR WINDOWS? WELL, TWO DIFFERENT, UH, TREATMENTS. THE FRONT, WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WINDOWS THAT FACE THE FRONT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY, THEY'RE, UM, WELL, IN MY OPINION, THEY'RE A LOT MORE SENSITIVE THAN THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK. THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK ARE GONNA BE COVERED OR ARE NOT GONNA BE SEEN BY, UH, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AT ANY POINT. UM, I DO HAVE A, A PICTURE I TOOK WITH A MEASUREMENT OF THE EIGHT FOOT, THE NEW EIGHT FOOT FENCE THAT SHOWS THE VIEW FROM SAN PEDRO. YOU CAN SEE IT UP ON THERE. THE VIEW FROM SAN PEDRO THAT THE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE SIX FOOT FENCE, EXISTING SIX FOOT FENCE. YOU CAN SEE, UM, UH, THE, THE CURRENT WINDOWS, UH, THEY'RE NOT THERE NOW, OBVIOUSLY, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE PATIO DOORS AND THEN THERE'S THIS MISMATCHED WINDOW IN THE BACK. I DO WANNA SHOW YOU THE PICTURE OF THE EXISTING, UH, ADDITION THAT WAS DONE. AND I'M THINKING SOMETIME IN THE SEVENTIES AND, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY INCONSISTENT WITH ANYTHING HISTORIC. SO A LOT OF THIS IS ME TRYING TO FIX IT FOR MYSELF, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT. SEE, THAT'S THE BACK. SO IT'S SORT OF A MESS. IT'S A HODGEPODGE. IT, IT DOESN'T WORK. SO I'M TRYING TO IMPROVE, IMPROVE THAT. CAN WE SEE THE RENDERINGS? THEY'RE UP FRONT. ARE YOU PROPOS? WHAT ARE YOU THEY'RE THEY'RE RENDERINGS AT THE, AT THE, THINK OF THE BEGINNING OF THIS. THERE'S RENDERINGS THERE. IT'S [04:05:04] RIGHT. HERE WE GO. SO FIRST OF ALL, THOSE YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE STREET ONCE WE BUILD OUT THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. UM, SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE REASON ENOUGH FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IT. UH, TWO, THEY ARE NOT VINYL. THEY'RE FIBERGLASS. I'M REP REPLACING THE VINYL THAT'S HERE NOW. SO YOU, ONCE WE PAINT THE VINYL, I'M GETTING A VINYL THAT WHERE YOU CAN SAND AND PAINT TO MATCH THE REST OF THE WINDOWS. SO THAT SHININESS THAT YOU SEE IN VINYL THAT IT REALLY IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD STAND OUT? YOU REALLY CAN'T TELL EVERYTHING IS, WOULD LOOK ABSOLUTELY, UM, IDENTICAL IN, IN MATERIALITY FROM THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC WINDOWS ONCE WE PAINT THEM ALL TO MATCH. UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE. UM, NOW THE FRONT THE WINDOW, THE TWO TWO WINDOWS THAT FACE THE FRONT IN THE ADDITION, I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT, UM, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WINDOW. THIS, THIS IS A VINYL WINDOW FROM A, A MARVIN COMPANY THAT'S, IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE ITEMS THAT I, THAT I SENT IN. IT IS YOUR TYPICAL MORE MODERN, UM, FIBERGLASS WINDOW PROFILE FOR THE TWO IN THE FRONT. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PROPOSE A FIBERGLASS CLAD WINDOW SOLD BY PELLA. SOME, ANOTHER APPLICANT HAD THE SAME ONE. THEY'RE CALLED A HISTORIC RESERVE. MAYBE IT'S NOT FIBERGLASS, BUT IT IS, IT'S GOT ALL THE DETAILING THAT SUPPOSEDLY THE BOARD HAS APPROVED IN THE PAST. I KNOW IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT I ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN THE, IN MY PROPOSAL. UM, I THINK, SO THAT'S THE MARVIN THAT I'M PROPOSING IN THE BACK. BUT THERE'S A PELLA SPEC I SENT IN ORIGINALLY THAT I WOULD PROPOSE IN THE FRONT. AND IT'S GOT THE, PUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SIMULATE THE PUTTY GLAZING. AGAIN, THOSE WINDOWS WOULD MATCH, UH, THE HISTORIC LOOK OF ALL THE, OF THE REST OF THE WINDOWS. THE ONE UPGRADE TO THE ONES IN THE FRONT TO MATCH. AND THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE FRONT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO BE THE PILLOWS. THOSE ARE TWO, THE, THE FAR RIGHT SIDE IN THAT KIND OF LOWER ONE STORY RIGHT SECTION. THERE'S A RENDER ALSO THAT YOU, WHERE YOU CAN TELL WHERE THEY ARE. I THINK IT'S ONE, IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE NEXT DRAWING UP FROM HERE. SKETCH NOT THERE IT IS. SO ZOOM INTO THE TOP. RIGHT. CAN I JUST CLARIFY IN YOUR, ARE YOU ASKING TO REPLACE ANY OF THE FRONT WINDOWS? NO. NONE. NO, NONE. UM, SO THE TWO SMALLER WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT, UM, WE TOOK THE ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE FROM TWO EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE WEST SIDE. THAT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD CARRIAGE KIND OF DRIVE-THROUGH. UH, THAT FACES SAN PEDRO. I DO HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS, UH, P D F. CAN WE ZOOM IN THERE WHERE YOU JUST HAVE A VERTICAL MO IN BETWEEN? SORRY, CAN YOU ZOOM? NO, THE LEFT SIDE. SO THE TWO, THE, THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS PICTURE IS WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO WITH THE, WITH THE WINDOW DESIGN IN THE FRONT WHERE YOU HAVE ONE VERTICAL MOUNTAIN IN THE MIDDLE. THAT'S ACTUALLY A WINDOW THAT IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE IT OPENS, UM, INTO TWO, UH, A CASE UNITS CASEMENT WINDOW. MM-HMM. . AND IS IS, WHAT MATERIAL IS THAT? IS THERE EVIDENCE THAT THAT'S A HISTORIC WINDOW OR IS THAT, UH, A REPLACEMENT WINDOW THAT, SO PART OF THE MISTREATMENT OF THIS HOME BEFORE I OWNED IT, UM, THERE IS A VINYL COVER ON THIS WINDOW. UM, BUT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW THAT I CAN ONLY SEE FROM THE INSIDE IS WOOD. AND THAT WOOD IS, UM, NOT ORIGINAL AT SOME POINT. AND I'M THINKING IT'S PRIOR TO 50 YEARS AGO, UH, THAT OPENING WITH A, THERE'S AN ARCHWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE'S A SHADOW LINE ABOVE THE WINDOW AND AROUND IT THAT USED TO BE A PATIO OPENING. IT WAS AT SOME POINT ENCLOSED, AND THEN THAT WINDOW WAS ADDED. AND THEN LATER, SOMETIME, MAYBE WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS THAT VINYL, UM, COVER WAS ADDED TO IT. IT'S LIKE AN INSULATING, UH, GLAZING THAT WAS ADDED. OKAY. SO TO SUMMARIZE, ON THE FRONT, YOU'VE GOT THESE TWO WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE, UM, YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE PATTERN OF THIS SORT OF MOCK CASEMENT WINDOW THAT WAS THERE, THAT WAS PUT INTO AN INFILL. RIGHT. AND ON THE BACK, YOU'RE PROPOSING FIBERGLASS WINDOWS IN THE BACK PORTION OF THE, THE [04:10:01] BUILDING WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF RECONSTRUCTING, UH, UH, WHAT WAS AN OPEN PORCH AT ONE POINT, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOW GLAZING IN, CORRECT? CORRECT. UM, AND TELL ME WHY YOU'RE WANTING AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. WHY, WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE SO HIGH? BECAUSE YOU, I, AND I'M A LITTLE, A LITTLE FUZZY ON THE WORDING HOW STAFF HAS PLACED IT TO WHERE IT SAYS IT'S KIND OF UP TO H D R C ON THE, ON THE HIGH. WELL, YEAH, I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT EXPLANATION EITHER. WELL, THE, UH, EXPLANATION OR MAYBE STAFF WILL SAY IT'S FOR, FIRST OF ALL, WHY DO YOU WANT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE? AND THEN HAVE STAFF ANSWER TO THAT. OKAY. UM, PARTIAL THE FENCE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. IT'S FALLING APART. ONE, TWO, THE, THE, THIS PORTION OF SAN PEDRO IS, IS UH, UH, I GUESS IT'S LOW AND OUR HOUSE IS SITTING UP PRETTY HIGH. SO FROM OUR FRONT PORCH YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF SAN PEDRO TRAFFIC DRIVING THROUGH. SO IT'S, IT'S PRIVACY. WE'RE HOPING IT'LL HELP A LITTLE BIT WITH THE NOISE AS WELL. WE'RE DOING PLANT THINGS ALL ALONG THERE. WE, UH, U D C CLASSIFIED SAN PEDRO AS AN URBAN CORRIDOR. UM, AND SO, UM, STAFF FINDS THAT GENERALLY THE EIGHT FOOT OR THE ADDITIONAL TWO FEET AND HEIGHTS APPROPRIATE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL PRIVACY, UH, DUE TO THE HIGH AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. AND I RECALL OTHER CASES OF, OF, UM, STORE HOMES ALONG SAN PEDRO RECEIVING EQUAL, UH, TREATMENT LIKE THAT. ALRIGHT. SO ALL THE OTHER STIPULATIONS THOUGH, YOU'RE FINE WITH? YES. OKAY. SO IT ALL COMES DOWN TO, ARE WE OKAY WITH, UH, FIBERGLASS IN THE BACK AND, UH, THE PELLA? IS IT ARCHITECTURAL RESERVE? I THINK IT'S CALLED. YEAH. AND IS IT ALUMINUM CLAD OR IS IT UH, UH, A FIBERGLASS CLAD? I BELIEVE IT'S ALUMINUM CLAD. ALUMINUM CLAD. RIGHT. OKAY. YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING EITHER OR, RIGHT. YOU WOULD PREFER THOSE MARVINS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, ON THE FRONT. I PREFER THE, I PREFER THE, UH, THE P AND YOU KNOW, I I, I DO LIKE THE LOOK OF THEM BETTER. I THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE FRONT. THAT WOULD BE BY MY CHOICE TO, TO DO THAT. I JUST, TO BE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT PILLOW RESERVE IN THE BACK. THERE'S JUST TOO MANY, THERE'S TOO MANY WINDOWS. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. I'M OKAY WITH THE FRONT. UM, THE TWO, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE YEAH. THE FRONT WINDOWS TO DO, I MEAN, WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE EXISTING, BUT I'M, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THE BACK YET. NOT THAT MATERIAL OR THAT WINDOW. AND CAN I SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE? I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AND WHAT WE DO IS WE GANG THEM TOGETHER AND WE ACTUALLY GANG THEM WITH A WOOD MALL IN BETWEEN ON THE OUTSIDE. SO I HAVE A PICTURE OF SOMETHING I'VE DONE IN THE PAST. I MEAN, AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING THAT UP, I, I HAD A QUESTION. UM, OR JUST REALLY A CONCERN ABOUT THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT WITH THE VERTICAL MULIAN. UM, IT WOULD SEEM TO MAKE MORE SENSE NOT TO COPY THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE VINYL CAP, THE VINYL COVERING TO THOSE WINDOWS AND GO BACK TO SOMETHING MORE ORIGINAL. THAT WAY WHENEVER THAT VINYL COVERING GOES AWAY, I THINK I MISSPOKE. THE VINYL COVERING DOES NOT MIMIC THE, THE, THE, THE VERTICAL WALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, OF THAT OTHER WINDOW THAT'S, THAT'S ORIGINAL. THAT VERTICAL, UH, SEPARATION IS ORIGINAL IN THE, IN THE, IN THAT WINDOW ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. SO THE VINYL IS MORE LIKE A STORM WINDOW OVER THE EXISTING WINDOW THAT HAS A RIGHT. YES. OLEUM. YEAH. AND IT'S MADE OF PLEXI THAT ON THE OUTSIDE. I JUST, I MEAN, EVENTUALLY I WILL RESTORE ALL THE WINDOWS. THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY PHASE TWO. JUST DO A FULL WINDOW RESTORATION INSIDE AND OUTSIDE AND JUST GET RID OF ALL THOSE. SO HAS STAFF REVIEWED THE PROPOSED, UH, FIBERGLASS REPLACEMENT AND DO THEY, UH, COMPLY WITH THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS? UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T GUESSED YET, STEPHANIE IS THE CASE MANAGER FOR SEVERAL OF THE, THE PREVIOUS CASES IN THIS ONE. AND SO WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. UM, I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO. I DON'T THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THE DETAIL THAT WE MIGHT NEED, UH, TO CONSIDER THIS. UM, AND I WAS JUST TEXTING HER 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY ASSESSED THE REQUEST FOR ANY WINDOWS ON THE FRONT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT WINDOWS ON THE REAR. AND THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER DISCUSSING WITH STEPHANIE. BUT I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION EARLIER. I WAS LIKE, I NEVER SAW ANY REQUESTS FOR ANY WINDOWS. AND, AND IT IS VERY POSSIBLE. THAT WAS IN YOUR APPLICATION, SIR. AND WE OVERLOOKED IT. AND I APOLOGIZE IF THAT'S THE CASE, BUT WE HAVE NOT PROVIDED RECOMMENDATION FOR THE FRONT. NOW IT IS PART OF THAT STRUCTURE ON THE SIDE. SO MAY THAT'S WHY BECAUSE THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS PART OF THAT EXTENSION. [04:15:03] WHAT, AND I MAY BE REPEATING AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SAID. THE CURRENT TWO DOORS IN THE BACK AND THE TWO WINDOWS, THOSE ARE, NONE OF THEM ARE WOOD. NONE OF THEM ORIGINAL TO THEM? NO, THEY'RE NOT WOOD. ONE OF THEM IS VINYL. THE ONE WITH THE ARCH TOP IS VINYL AND IT LOOKS TO BE LIKE TWO WINDOWS PUT TOGETHER. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE OTHER, THE TWO OTHER DOORS ARE ACTUALLY ALUMINUM CLAP. THANK YOU. YOU'RE GONNA BE REMOVING THAT WHOLE WALL. WE ARE GOING TO BE REMOVING THAT WHOLE WALL, THAT SIDING WILL BE REPLACED BY ALL THE, THE, THE WINDOWS. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE DIMENSIONAL, THE DIMENSIONAL APPROPRIATENESS OF THE, ONE OF THE BACK, THE WAY I READ THE, THE, THE FINDINGS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS OKAY. IT WAS JUST THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT, UH, THEY HAD AN ISSUE WITH WAS THE WOOD MATERIAL ON THE WINDOWS. BUT EVERY, THE DESIGN ITSELF WAS OKAY, THAT'S WHAT, WHAT'S IMPORTANT. MM-HMM. , I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE HEIGHTS AND ALL THAT, BUT SINCE YOU'RE REDOING THE WHOLE INSIDE, AND I THINK THAT'S THE, THE IMPORTANT OF THIS, THE TYPE OF WINDOW, I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEVER APPROVED BEFORE. FIVE. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CLAD WINDOW PRODUCT, AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR JUST A WOOD WINDOW SIMILAR TO THE CASE ON A GREEN LINE. I BELIEVE THE CLAD WINDOW PRODUCTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST. I THINK THERE IS A PRECEDENCE FOR THAT. SO THE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT MEETS THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE CONSIDERED AS WE DID ON, ON THE GREEN LINE. SO HERE'S MY THINKING. I UNDERSTAND WHY NOT THE ONE HE'S, YOU'RE PROPOSING NOT THE PELLA, YOU'RE PROPOSING THE FIBERGLASS WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING, RIGHT? RIGHT. YES. YEAH. I THOUGHT YOU WERE REFERRING TO JUST A CLAD PRODUCT ALTOGETHER. CORRECT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YEAH. SO I, I DON'T HAVE A, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THE, THE AMOUNT OF GLASS, SINCE YOU'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO A, A SCREEN PORCH MM-HMM. . UM, AND I THINK THAT THE PROFILE AND DIMENSIONAL THINGS CAN BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE IS THE MATERIAL. AND SO I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE APPROVED FIBERGLASS. I I THINK THAT I COULD APPROVE AN ALUMINUM CLA PRODUCT ON THE BACK. UM, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST LOOK AT PHASING DIFFERENTLY. IF, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S GONNA BE A COST ISSUE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT RIGHT. THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING. SO IN, IN RENOVATIONS IN HOUSES THAT HAVE, LET'S SAY WOOD WINDOWS, THE RECOMMENDATION IS ALWAYS GONNA BE TO REPLACE IN KIND WITH WOOD WINDOWS, I THINK. RIGHT? WHAT WHAT'S DIFFERENT HERE IS THIS IS A, A REMOVAL OF AN ADDITION AND ESSENTIALLY A NEW ADDITION GOING ON THE HOUSE. I UNDER YES, I UNDERSTAND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR WOOD, I WOULD SUPPORT THE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD PRODUCT THAT WE SUPPORT IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THAT. UM, AND ONE, I GUESS FOR, FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT APPLICANTS THAT THAT WILL COME UP HERE, UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF, OF AN, OF APPROVING, UH, ALUMINUM AND NOT FIBERGLASS BECAUSE THE LOOK IS ABSOLUTELY THE SAME. THE LONGEVITY IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE SAME. UM, MY ABILITY TO PAINT IT TO MATCH THE REST OF THE WINDOWS IS THE SAME. SO THE LOOK OF IT IS ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO PRECEDENT. IT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME YOU WANNA DO IT. NOBODY WANTS TO BE, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ASK FOR A, I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE, COMMENT ON THAT. I WANNA CLARIFY MY, WITH MY COMMISSIONERS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ALUMINUM CLAD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW? YOU ARE ACTUALLY ACCEPTING AN ALUMINUM WINDOW, WHICH WE HAVEN'T NO ALUMINUM CLAD WOULD, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT ANYONE IS SAYING. LET'S, LET'S, LET'S BRING THIS BACK IN, INTO FOCUS HERE. SO WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST, AND THIS MAY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHY ALUMINUM, NOT FIBERGLASS. FIBERGLASS IS THAT THE ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS HAVE WOOD ON THE INTERIOR AND THEY HAVE A PROFILE THAT ACHIEVES THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT O H P IS ESTABLISHED AS A STANDARD FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. WOULD WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM? RIGHT. THE ONLY TIME IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT I, NO, I'M SORRY. I NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION. PLEASE. I DO NEED TO CLARIFY. WE DON'T RECOMMEND THOSE AS REPLACEMENT. WE ONLY RECOMMEND THEM A NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT'S THE PREVIOUS CASE IN GREEN LAWN. WE WERE NOT RECOMMENDING THE CLA PRODUCT, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A ONLY WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT FOR REPLACEMENT IN A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. SO THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION HERE AS WELL. IS THIS CONSIDERED A REPLACEMENT EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT REPLACING? WELL THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF THE STICKY PART HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE REMOVING AN ADDITION, YOU'RE PUTTING BACK A NEW ADDITION. IT'S ESSENTIALLY, IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. SO I UNDERSTAND THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT STAFF HAS MADE FOR, FOR WOOD WINDOWS, UM, ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED A NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO ALL I'M ALL, MY POINT WAS, IS I'M WILLING TO GO THAT FAR BECAUSE THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A NEW [04:20:01] ADDITION. RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND. BUT WE'RE JUST TO BE CLEAR, NOT THE FIBERGLASS AND YOU, I, IT IS A FIBERGLASS CLAD WOOD WINDOW, SO YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT A FIBERGLASS ALL, ALL FIBERGLASS WINDOW. SO THIS IS AGAIN, AND AGAIN, JUST HUMOR ME, , I'D LIKE TO KNOW, OTHER THAN THE PROFILE, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE BETWEEN OUR PREFERRED FIBERGLASS CLAD WOOD AND ALUMINUM. IF THE SURFACE IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY MORE LIKE WOOD. YEAH, IT'S NOT SO MUCH JUST THE SURFACE, IT'S THE DIMENSIONS. IF THEY CAN ACHIEVE THE, THE, UH, OFFSETS THE, THE SETBACKS OF THE GLASS AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO HERE'S, I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEM 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT. AND WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEM THREE. WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT IF THE, UH, APPLICANT CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT HE HAS A FIBERGLASS CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT ACHIEVES THE STANDARDS, THE FOUR WINDOW REPLACEMENTS THAT STAFF REVIEW, UM, CANCELLATION. YEAH. PRIOR TO ISSUING A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SECOND. GREAT, THANK YOU. YEAH, SO THAT PUTS THE ONUS ON YOU TO COME BACK, GIVE THEM THE STATS, THEY'LL LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF IT MATCHES THE STANDARDS OR NOT. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AGENDA [B-20 19-6221 Address/Description: 519 NOLAN HDRC Case No.: 2019-449 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Aaron Peterson/PETERSON AARON Request: New construction of rear accessory City Council Dist.: 2] ITEM B 20 H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 49 5 19. NOLAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AT 5 1 9 NOLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO FEATURE A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 900 SQUARE FEET. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH H STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE MATERIALS THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO THOSE HISTORICALLY USED FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HERE, PLEASE. WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE A CITIZEN, CITIZEN TO BE HEARD ON THIS? YOUR NAME AARON PETERSON, THEN NO, NO, WE DON'T MY FIRST TIME. FINE, THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, I THINK THE MAIN ISSUES HERE THAT WE'VE SEEN ARE, UM, MATERIALS AND, UH, SO I, I THINK IT WAS MS. GARZA WAS, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SO I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THAT WE GOT THAT. I GOT HER BLESSING AS FAR AS, UM, MATERIALS, UM, BEING METAL CLAD, BEING APPROPRIATE, AND I KIND OF WANTED TO ELABORATE ON WHY. I THINK THAT'S OKAY IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE IS YEAH, I DO. I'LL ASK, I'LL ASK HIM TO GO TO THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE PICTURE. YEP, BACK UP. THERE WE GO. SO, UM, UH, MY MAIN, OH, WILL YOU GRAB ME? WILL YOU GIMME BACK ONE OF THOSE? I GAVE YOU MY COPY TOO. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO MY MAIN THING HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, I REALLY LOVE THIS HOUSE. IT'S 1890 FOLK VICTORIAN. UM, SUPER EXCITED. I HAVE SOME APPLICATIONS AND STUFF OPEN WITH YOU GUYS AND HAD ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS ON, ON RESTORING, FIXING PORCH ROOF. AND I'M JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH THIS AND FIXING, UH, A LOT OF THE ERRORS AND STUFF THAT PREVIOUS OWNERS HAVE MADE. SO I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE IN THE SAME THING. UM, I THINK WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE, UM, IS YOU CAN SEE WHERE MY TRUCK IS IN THAT DRIVE AND THIS PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE BACK BEHIND THIS MAIN HOUSE. SO, UH, WHEN I SAY [04:25:01] NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, SUBORDINATE TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND HEIGHT, SO A HEIGHT OF 18 FEET WHEN THAT FRONT PEAK OF MY ROOF IS CURRENTLY 26 FEET. SO IT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY HIDDEN IN THAT REGARD. AND THEN, UM, WITH THAT SIDE SETBACK, WITH THAT PICTURE OF THAT TRUCK, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE, THE START OF THAT GARAGE BUILDING WOULD BE 152 FEET BACK FROM THAT, FROM THE STREET. SO SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, FAR BACK. SO THERE MIGHT BE A VERY NARROW ANGLE FROM WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE. AND CONSIDERING THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK OFF THE SIDE AND THEN, UM, I'M USING IT ACTUALLY COSTS ME MORE MONEY. BUT I'M TRYING TO MATCH THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL IN REGARDS TO EAVES OF PUTTING TWO FOOT EAVES ON THE SIDE. SO EVEN WITH THOSE TWO FOOT EAVES, IT PUTS IT SEVEN FEET FROM THAT SIDE OF THAT FENCE. SO IT'S REALLY GONNA BE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE, THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE. SO, UM, I THINK MY, MY POINT IS, UM, AND THEN ACTUALLY PICKING THE COLORS OF THE, OF THE METAL, I REALIZE THAT METAL IS A, IS A, A PROBLEM HERE. UM, BUT I'M PICKING THE COLORS AND THE EAVES AND GOING WITH THE PITCH OF THE ROOF TO MAKE IT, UH, REALLY SORT OF, UM, MAKE SENSE WITH THE MAIN HOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT I'M AFTER, EVEN CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT IT'S REALLY NOT GONNA BE VISIBLE AT ALL, IT'S GONNA BE TUCKED WAY BACK IN THE BACKYARD. UM, ALSO ON, UH, IF YOU COULD GO TO, ACTUALLY, YOU GUYS ALL HAVE COPIES. SO ON THAT FIRST PAGE, UM, IT, IT, THERE'S SOME OTHER METAL BUILDINGS I THINK, UM, IT'S USED COMMONLY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THERE'S TWO EXAMPLES WITHIN ONE BLOCK OF MY HOUSE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE IS CATTYCORNER. UH, IT'S VERY ACTIVE THROUGH THE NIGHT AS WELL. UM, BUT UM, IT'S USING THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIAL, SAME TYPE OF ROLLUP DOORS. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK ALSO BEHIND ME, LIKE CATERCORNER, IT'S ACTUALLY LESS THAN 25 FEET I MEASURED IS A METAL SIDING BUILDING. UM, YOU HAVE THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THAT BIG WHITE BUILDING, THE BIG COMMERCIAL BUILDING HAS ALL METAL ROLL UP DOORS. SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A, A, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S GOT MIX MATCH COMMERCIAL STUFF. AND I, I THINK THE REALLY WHY I'M HOPING THAT IT'S OKAY THAT I GO WITH METAL BACK THERE IS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S ENTIRELY HIDDEN FROM THE STREET. UM, YES. THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO SPEAK ON WAS WHAT, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MS. GARZA, UM, HAD AN ISSUE WITH, AND THAT WAS THE FOOTPRINT. AND THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE PICTURE THAT THE LAST PAGE OF THAT HANDOUT THAT I, THAT I GAVE YOU GUYS, SO THIS IS FROM AN APPRAISAL WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, WHICH WAS A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO. AND THIS WAS A SKETCH, UM, WHICH HAS, I THINK, ARE YOU MR. HALL? YEAH. SO NICE TO MEET YOU. UM, BUT I THINK HE HAD IT AT DOWN AS 1,660 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT WHEN ACTUALLY THE, THE HOUSE IS AT 1993, SO 1,993, UM, CONDITION SPACE. AND THEN THERE'S A COVERED PORCH ON THE FRONT. AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A, A PATIO COVERED PATIO THAT'S BEEN THERE WHEN I, WHEN I PURCHASED THAT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU CAN SEE THE FIGURES THAT TOTAL MAIN BUILDING FOOTPRINT OF 28 72 0.34 SQUARE FEET. UM, THE ALLOWED ACCESSORY BUILDING PER YOUR GUYS' RULES IS 40% OF THAT, WHICH WOULD BE 1140 8.94. SO MY 900 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WOULD BE WELL WITHIN THAT, UM, ALLOWABLE SIZE. SO I'M HOPING WE CAN COME TO SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT AND GET A C O A. HOW MUCH CONCRETE ARE YOU PUTTING AROUND THIS BUILDING? NEW BUILDING? THERE'S A, THERE'S CURRENTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, MAYBE ONE OF THE OVERHEAD IMAGES. SO THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO THE END OF WHERE THAT COVERED PORCH IS ALREADY. SO IT WOULD JUST BE EXTENDED JUST TO, UM, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SLAB THAT THE BUILDING WOULD BE ON. SO SOME, SO SLIDE, UH, NINE EDWARD, PAGE NINE Y YEAH, SO YOU COULD SEE THAT THAT SLAB IS ALREADY POURED TO MEET THE END OF THAT COVERED PORTION RIGHT THERE. SO IT'S GONNA BE, YEAH, AS HE'S KIND OF DRAWN WITH A HAND, UM, A DRIVE JUST TO GO TO THE ENTRANCE OF [04:30:01] THE BUILDING AND THEN JUST TO FACILITATE PULLING A VEHICLE OUT OF THE, AS YOU'RE EXPANDING OVER AND ALL THAT. UM, SO, AND, AND, AND YOUR DRAWINGS SHOW AND CONCRETE AROUND ON THE SIDES AS WELL. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE NOT THIS DRAWING YOUR SKETCHUP. SORRY, THEY'RE AMATEUR DRAWINGS. WELL, YOU HAVE ANOTHER GARAGE DRAWER ON THE SIDE. THEY'RE GONNA BE CONCRETE THERE AS WELL. THERE IS NOT. IT'S JUST GONNA BE SLAB UNDERNEATH. UH, SO I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD PROPOSE PUTTING, UH, MAYBE TWO FOOT OUT IN FRONT OF THAT GARAGE, THAT GARAGE DOOR ON THE SIDE. BUT THAT MADE GARAGE DOOR ON THE SIDE WAS REALLY JUST FOR VENTILATION PURPOSES. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, PULLING A VEHICLE OUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S REALLY GONNA BE ISOLATED TO UNDERNEATH, UM, THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO THOSE, THOSE MOCK-UPS WERE, WERE NOT ACCURATE REPRESENTATIONS OF CONCRETE BY ANY MEANS. WELL, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE THING THAT, UM, THE MATERIAL YOU'LL BE USING AND HOW MUCH LOT COVERAGE YOU'LL BE COVERING WITH THAT CONCRETE UP TO THAT GARAGE, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO BE CONSIDERED. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S ALREADY, UH, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE SITE TOO. I MEAN, AND THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR LOT COVERAGE AND FOR PRECEDENT. I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON SITE, SO WHAT'S THE, HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THIS NEW STRUCTURE? I I THINK THAT IT, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT I THINK ARE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES WITH THIS. JUST MATERIAL LOT COVERAGE, THE ADDITIONAL PAVING, UM, THE LOCATION ON THE SITE, THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE STILL REMAINING. SO I, I WILL NOTE THAT ONE THING THAT STAFF HAS, UH, CALLED OUT IN FINDING D IS THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE LOT, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 11,200 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND IN REGARDS TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, I'M SORRY FOR NOT CLARIFYING, UM, UH, FOR THAT, I WAS ONLY REFERRING TO THE, THE HISTORIC HOUSE ITSELF AND NOT THE ADDITIONS. MAKES SENSE. UM, BUT IN, IN ANY RESPECT, UM, STAFF HASN'T SPECIFICALLY NOTED THIS IN OUR FINDING. UM, BUT WITH THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE LOT, UM, EVEN WITH AN EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UM, THE BUILDING A LOT RATIO STILL MAY BE AT A POINT TO WHERE IT COULD SUPPORT ANOTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. UM, BUT UH, I THINK THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN REGARDS TO MATERIALS IS, IS THE PRIMARY HURDLE PROBABLY. YEAH, I CONCUR WITH THAT. AND, AND FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY, WOW, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL HOME. YEAH, IT'S COOL. THANK YOU. IT'S GOT A LOT OF CHARM TO IT AND A LOT OF CHARACTER, AND YOU'RE RIGHT THAT YOU'RE KIND OF RIGHT, THE MARGINS OF WHERE THESE COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSES AND THINGS HAVE CHEWED INTO WHAT WAS AN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I, I'M A, I'M FEARFUL THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A PROPAGATION OF THAT KIND OF CANCER INTO DEEPER, CLOSER INTO THE, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, I, I JUST DON'T SEE THIS KIND OF, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT PREFABRICATED, BUT IT, IT HAS KIND OF THIS PREFABRICATED METAL, UH, BUILDING STRUCTURE BEING VERY COMPATIBLE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS NEXT TO YOU. UM, AND ULTIMATELY IF YOU SOLD THIS, I THINK SOMEONE GO BACK THERE AND GO, WOW, HOW DID THEY EVER ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? SO I, I JUST CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. I THINK IT'S TOO FAR, UM, OFF THE MARK FROM WHAT THE, UH, CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WOULD DICTATE FROM MATERIAL STANDPOINT. I THINK THE, THE ISSUE, THE, THE DEPTH OF THE LOT AND THE SIZE OF THE LOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE A LARGE STRUCTURE BACK THERE. I THINK SCALE-WISE IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. BUT I, I THINK IT FROM THE MATERIAL AND CHARACTER OF IT, UH, IT'S JUST, IT'S SO, SO OUT OF KEEPING WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL HOUSE YOU HAVE, I I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. UM, ACTUALLY I HAVE, I HAVE BETTER PHOTOS. SO HERE WAS MY BACKUP PROPOSAL BASED ON ANTICIPATING SOME ISSUES WITH JUST A STRAIGHT UP METAL BUILDING. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS CAT CORNER, AS I MENTIONED. AND SO THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE IS, OR THE, THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE IS AN OLD ANTIQUE BRICK CAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S EXACTLY FROM. AND IT'S A WHITEISH YELLOW BRICK. IT'S LIKE THE PEARL. YEAH, IT'S COOL, SUPER COOL STUFF. BUT, UM, I HAVE A BASEMENT AND I HAVE A TON OF THIS EXTRA BRICK. SO MY PROPOSAL WAS DOING WHAT THEY DID AT THE FIRE STATION WAS TO DO, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, SO I THINK IT'S WAYNE SCOUTING. IS THAT APPROPRIATE PRONUNCIATION? YES. SO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS A FACADE, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO GO AROUND, WHICH I DON'T EVEN THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE [04:35:01] TO GO AROUND THE SIDES. JUST, IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF MY PROPERTY, I THINK WAS A, I THINK THE LAST 20 YEARS IT WAS OCCUPIED. IT WAS A PREVIOUS BROTHEL. UM, BEHIND ME IS, UM, A JUST A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS WELL. AND THEN THAT CAT CORNER'S COMMERCIAL. SO THERE'S ONE RESIDENCE NEXT TO ME ON THE LEFT FACING FROM THE STREET. BUT I WAS HOPING THAT IF I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO SEE SOMETHING WITH THIS MATERIAL. IT IS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING SOME MATERIAL. I MEAN, IT, WE'D BE OPEN TO SEE SOMETHING MORE DETAIL MAYBE IN, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN GET AN APPROVAL ON IT TODAY, BUT I'LL BE OPEN FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. SO I HAVE A COUPLE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK THOUGHTS ON THIS. UM, I THINK THE SCALE OF WHAT'S PROPOSED GIVEN THE DEPTH AND SIZE OF THE LOT IS PROBABLY VERY NEAR APPROPRIATE. AND THE GENERAL MASS OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS APPROPRIATE. THE MATERIALITY IS THE FUNDAMENTAL PART. AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT OF THIS ISN'T REALLY SEEN FROM THE STREET, IT'S FAR BACK. AND WITH REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, THE ONE THING THAT WE DO CONSIDER THE RELATIONSHIP OF THESE BUILDINGS TO THE NEIGHBORS AROUND IN THAT CORNER, AND YOU'RE KIND OF ON A CORNER AND THIS THING OCCUPIES THE REAR YARD AND THE PATTERN OF PATTERN OF THE REAR YARD. SO MY FEELING IS THAT THE, THE WAINSCOT AND THE WAINSCOT AND BRICK DOESN'T REALLY HELP WITH THAT. IT'S REALLY THE MATERIAL KIND OF UP HIGHER. THAT'S, THAT'S A BIGGER ISSUE FOR ME. AND, AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT TO DRESS UP A METAL BUILDING. FROM WHICH DIRECTION ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT THE REAR, THE REAR YARD'S OVER THE SIDE, FENCES, SEATING, IT'S, THOSE ARE EQUIVALENTLY METAL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. THERE THE ONLY TO THE FACING FROM THE STREET. UM, THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT IS THE ONLY ACTUAL RESIDENCE THAT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. SO ALL, ALL THREE OTHER SIDES ARE COMMERCIAL. THE, THE ONE DIRECTLY TO MY RIGHT, UM, WAS INITIALLY I THINK AN OLD HOTEL, WHICH I MENTIONED WAS A, I THINK A BROTHEL FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. YEAH. EDWARD, COULD YOU GO TO, UH, UH, SLIDE 12 IN THE PACKAGE THERE? IT'S THE AERIAL SHOWING THE, THE BLOCK AND, AND UH, YEAH, THERE MAY BE THE BROTHEL, BUT THEN THERE'S A, AN ENTIRE BLOCK OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES THAT ARE STILL INTACT THERE. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT THERE. IT'S THE WOULD BE VISIBLE. SO, SO MY, I I THINK MY MAIN, I WAS JUST ABLE TO PUT A HAND WHERE THIS THING IS BEING PROPOSED. IT'S ALMOST LIKE EVERYTHING'S PIN WHEELING AROUND WHERE THIS METAL STRUCTURE WOULD BE. IF YOU, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE HANDOUT, UM, I I DREW IN A, A LITTLE SQUARE IN THAT PARTICULAR IS WHERE IS WHERE IT WILL BE. UM, MY MAIN CONCERN, I'M NOT TRYING TO, TO BATTLE AGAINST YOU GUYS. IF I COULD BUILD THIS WHOLE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OUT OF ANTIQUE BRICK, UM, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, THE, THE METAL BUILDING SERVES A, A TWOFOLD PURPOSE IN THE FACT THAT IT GIVES ME BROADER SPANS. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A, IT WAS ALWAYS LIKE A DREAM TO HAVE LIKE AN AUTOMOTIVE LIFT WHERE I COULD WORK ON A CLASSIC CAR OR SOMETHING INSIDE THAT GARAGE. UM, A A TRUSS WOOD CONSTRUCTION DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT. UM, ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE ESTIMATES THAT I'VE GOTTEN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE DOUBLE THE, THE COST. SO, YOU KNOW, IT BASICALLY MAKES IT NOT FEASIBLE FOR ME. WELL, LET'S, LET'S SAY, LET'S, BUT I SEE, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE REALLY TURNED THIS RUBIK'S CUBE ENOUGH BECAUSE I COULD GET, GET BEHIND A METAL FRAMED STRUCTURE THAT GIVES YOU THE OPEN SPANS THAT YOU'RE NEEDING FOR THE AUTOMOTIVE, UH, METAL STUDS. SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, ISSUES OF, OF, UH, ROTTEN DETERIORATION OR, OR DEALT WITH AND HARDY SIDING ON THIS. SO IT'S TREATED LIKE A, AN OUTBUILDING AND THAT HAS AS MUCH DURABILITY AS THE METAL. AND IT WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, THE WOOD OUTBUILDINGS AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT YOU FIND OUT BEHIND THESE OTHER BUILDINGS, OTHER, OTHER RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. I CONSIDERED THAT, AND ACTUALLY, I, I EVEN READ THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY ATTACH HARDY TO THE, THE METAL SIDING. SO I GET THE, I GET BASICALLY BOTH. SO I CAN DO HARDY ON TOP OF THE CORRUGATED METAL AND THAT WOULD GET THAT LOOK. UM, I JUST REALLY DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT LOOK WOULD, SO THERE'S A, I WISH I HAD BETTER PHOTOS, BUT THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL ADDITIONS ON THIS HOME OVER SINCE 1890. I THINK ORIGINALLY IT WAS A BATHROOM ONLY BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE ONE. WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA COME TO A FINAL DECISION, LIKE ON A DESIGN TODAY. SO, UM, WHY DON'T YOU, I THINK YOU NEED TO SHOW US MORE IN DETAIL YOUR BACK OF YOUR HOME, [04:40:01] THE, THE WHOLE WHAT'S GOING, WHAT'S AROUND. MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME NOW THAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE, WE, YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU CAN BUILD SOMETHING WITH A SCALE AND WE'RE LOCATING, I WOULD JUST KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MORE CONCRETE THERE'LL BE ON THE LOT, BUT THAT'S, JUST ADD THAT TO IT TOO. BUT NOW WE'RE DOWN TO MATERIALS. MATERIALS ARE EVERYTHING. IF IT'S, IF IT'S A MATERIAL THAT I CAN'T AFFORD THIS, THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS A NO-GO FOR ME, THERE'S COST. WELL, BUT YOU CAN GET AN APPROVAL HERE SO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING. DO YOU WANT, OR, WELL, HERE'S A SUGGESTION. UM, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT MATERIALITY, UM, AND, UH, THE LOT COVERAGE FOR THE CONCRETE, THE PAD OUT IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE DOORS. HOW DEEP IS THAT? SO HOW MUCH IMPERVIOUS COVER ARE WE ADDING TO THE SITE? UH, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER OUTBUILDINGS AROUND YOUR LOT ARE. IT LOOKS LIKE SOME, NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THEY, THEY ARE, TO BE HONEST. THEY HAVE, UH, CORRUGATED METAL ROOFS OR, UH, THERE'S PROBABLY, UH, WOOD FRAME OUTBUILDINGS IN THAT. SO PERHAPS SOME MORE PHOTOGRAPHS OF, UH, SOME OF THE OUTBUILDINGS ON YOUR BLOCK. AND, UM, PERHAPS COME BACK TO A, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND SO WE COULD TALK MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT THE, THE MATERIALS AND DETAILING AND ALL THAT. I, UH, MOVE THAT THIS CASE BE REFERRED TO THE DESIGN REVIEW REVIEW COMMITTEE. SECOND MOTION. A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. SO, UH, EDWARD WILL GET WITH YOU AND WE'LL, UH, HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE, UH, YOU, IF YOU CAN, UH, BRING THESE PHOTOS AND ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO US, WE CAN TALK, UH, MORE IN DEPTH WITH YOU. SO TIMELINE WISE, I'M PUSHED AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH BEFORE I CAN EVEN GET A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL FROM YOU ALL. OR WE CAN JUST DO AN OUTRIGHT DENIAL. OH, DON'T WANT THAT. YEAH, WE ALREADY MADE A MOTION ON IT THOUGH. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT'S, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. UH, BASED ON THE COMMENTS ON THE COMMISSION, I'D SAY THAT IT'S UNLIKELY TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AGENDA ITEMS, UH, B 21 AND B 22 HAVE BOTH BEEN APPROVED. [B-23 19-6205 Address/Description: 2330 W SUMMIT HDRC Case No.: 2019-462 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Pete and Carol Kohrs Request: Xeriscaping and site work City Council Dist.: 7] WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM B 23. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER B 23, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 62. AT 2330 WEST SUMMIT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE NON-ORIGINAL STONE WALKWAY WITH A ROCK PATH WITH THREE CONCRETE PAVERS AND TWO, TO REPLACE A PORTION OF THE FRONT YARD GRASS WITH ROCK MULCH AREA FOR ZERO ESCAPING STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WALKWAY REPLACEMENT AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING C. THE WALKWAY MAY BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY IF IT MATCHES THE NON-ORIGINAL, BUT APPROPRIATE EXISTING WALKWAY OR FEATURE A DESIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. PRIMARY BY EXCLUDING SHADOW ROCK AND CONCRETE PAVERS, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO ZERO, ESCAPING WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE SHADOW ROCK SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE DESIGN FOR A MORE APPROPRIATE NATURAL COLOR MATERIAL AND THAT THE APPLICANT SELECT NATIVE AND OR ZURICH PLANTS THAT THRIVE IN LOCAL CONDITIONS AND REDUCE WATER USAGE PER THE SAN ANTONIO RECOMMENDED PLANT LIST. UH, THIS APPLICANT, UH, THIS APPLICATION CAME AS A VIOLATION CASE. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN COOPERATIVE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND, UH, PER, UH, CONVERSATION PRIOR TO THE HEARING. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, CONSENTED TO THE STIPULATIONS OF ITEM TWO. SO WE'RE HERE TO, UH, DISCUSS ITEM ONE, THE APPLICANT HERE, PLEASE. MY NAME IS PETE KORS. I LIVE AT 2 3 3 0 WEST SUMMIT. UM, THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS THE, UH, FRONT PATHWAY. AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO OFFER AS A A POINT OF CONSIDERATION TO REMOVE THE [04:45:01] SHADOW ROCK, UM, AND REPLACE IT. EXTEND THE MULCH OUT FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, THROUGH THE PATH TO MAINTAIN THE GRANITE, UM, PAVERS, BUT TO HAVE THE NATURAL TO ACTUALLY LOWER IT. AND YOU'LL SEE I HAVE A PHOTO IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT, UM, WHERE THE, THE PATH IS RELATIVELY HIGH, UH, THREE OR FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND TO DROP THAT BACK DOWN. SO IT'S, IT'S, UM, DOWN TO THE GRASS LEVEL AND A LITTLE MORE, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET. I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER, CONSIDER THAT COMPROMISE. OH, PATH COMPLETELY REMOVED. UH, IT WAS A LOOSE STONE. YEAH. SO IS IT BENEATH OR, UH, YEAH, WE REMOVED THE ROCKS AND REPLACED IT WITH, UH, THE SHADOW ROCK AND, AND THE PAVERS YOU'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE THE PAVERS BUT RE REPLACE THE SHADOW ROCK WITH MULCH? YES. TO EXTEND THE MULCH OUT FOR A MORE NATURAL AND THOSE ARE GR GRANITE SLABS OR WHAT ARE YES, SIR. OF WOW. SO THOSE ARE HUGE. YES. UM, AND I KNOW THIS IS GONNA BE A STUPID QUESTION, BUT IT'S AN ISSUE OF SCALE OF THOSE ELEMENTS. YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, WHAT YOU REPLACED WERE KIND OF SMALL, KIND OF COBBLE LIKE STUFF, RIGHT? THAT FELT MORE RESIDENTIAL. AND THESE ARE LIKE SOMETHING YOU'D BURY SOMEONE UNDER , THEY'RE SUBSTANTIAL. IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN GET IT AND CUT IN HALF AND YOU SPACE IT OUT AMONGST THE MULCH TO GET IT DOWN TO KINDA MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL SCALE? YES. TO CUT THE SLABS AND, AND GET 'EM CUT IN HALF? YES. OKAY. I, 'CAUSE I COULD BEGIN TO GET BEHIND THAT, UH, I COULD TOO. AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE JUST SORT OF LIKE OUTTA SCALE, RIGHT? AND THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO MAYBE SPACE 'EM OUT AND GET MORE OF A SERPENTINE PATHWAY THROUGH A SMALLER SCALE. THE, THE MULCH CAN KIND OF BLEED IN AND AROUND THEM, SO, UM, PROBABLY EVEN BE ABLE TO ADD ONE MORE. RIGHT. AND YOU ALSO SHOWED SHADOW ROCK OUT AT THE STREET. YES, SIR. MATT, YOU PROPOSED TO KEEP OR REPLACE THAT WITH MULCH AS WELL. REMOVE THAT, REPLACE IT WITH MULCH, THE NATURAL MULCH. UM, MY FEELING ABOUT THE, EXCUSE ME, MY FEELING ABOUT THE, UM, AREA OUT BY THE STREET IS THAT IT'S, IT LACKS SOME, UM, DESIGN SENSE. IT'S BASICALLY JUST A BLOCK OF MATERIAL. UH, SOME OF YOUR OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE SIMILAR PLANTINGS, BUT THEY'RE, UH, MORE VAL LINEAR IN SHAPE AND HAVE SOME, SOME THOUGHT BEHIND THE DESIGN OF THEM. UM, ALSO OUR GUIDELINES SAY LIMIT THE REMOVAL OF LAWN AREAS TO MULCH, PLANTING BEDS OR PERVIOUS HARDSCAPES AND LOCATIONS WHERE THEY WOULD HISTORICALLY BE FOUND, SUCH AS A LONG FENCES, WALKWAYS OR DRIVES, WHEREAS YOU'VE GOT YOURS RIGHT UP AT THE STREET. WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UH, REVISING THE DESIGN AND, AND LOOKING MORE AT THE GUIDELINES TO, UH, AS FAR AS PLACEMENT AND SHAPE OF THAT, UH, PLANT BED? I CERTAINLY WOULD. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, PROPERTIES ON THE STREET THAT ARE SIMILARLY, UH, LANDSCAPED AND, UM, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR GOING TOO FAR. IF WE EXTENDED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE FRONT WALKWAY, UH, TO GO INTO THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND, AND INTO THAT PROPERTY LINE. THAT WAS OUR ONLY CONCERN ABOUT MAKING IT MORE BALANCED LIKE THAT. I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT IDEA, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE, I GUESS, A LITTLE MORE WORK ON MY PART TO DO THAT. SO I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO THAT. WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU, UH, REVISIT THE SHAPE OF YOUR, OF YOUR PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT. AND, UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF CON OF USING MULCH INSTEAD OF THE ROCK. I THINK THAT'S A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER BEDS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE DONE. BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE REVISITED AS FAR AS, UH, LOCATION AND SHAPE. OKAY. UH, YOU COULD WORK WITH STAFF TO WORK THAT OUT. PERFECT. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR A APPROVAL OF A REVISED, UH, WALKING PATH, [04:50:01] TAKING THE, A EXISTING, UH, SHADOW STONE, A SHADOW ROCK, AND REMOVING IT, CUTTING THE, UH, GRANITE SLABS INTO SMALLER PIECES, ADDING ADDITIONAL IF NECESSARY, AND REMOVAL OF THE SHADOW ROCK AT THE CURB EDGE, WORKING WITH STAFF, UH, ON DEVELOPING A, UH, REVISED SITE PLAN FOR APPROVAL. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. UH, AND LET ME JUST, UH, REVISE MY OWN MOTION AND, AND, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, MOTION. AND, UH, SECOND AS NOTED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AGENDA [B-24 19-6301 Address/Description: 227 GREENLAWN HDRC Case No.: 2019-465 Applicant: ROJAS JAIME ISRAEL TREJO Request: Installation of a 2nd driveway, accessory structure, and rear addition City Council Dist.: 1] ITEM NUMBER B 24, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 65 AT 2 27 GREENLAWN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT, A SEVEN BY 15 REAR ADDITION ON A NINE BY 18 CONCRETE SLAB. TWO, TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT WIDE CONCRETE WALKWAY. THREE, TO INSTALL A SECONDARY EAST SIDE 12 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, APPROXIMATELY 335 FEET LONG. FOUR TO INSTALL A 90 BY 60 CONCRETE PARKING PAD AT THE END OF THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY. AND FIVE, TO CONSTRUCT A 30 BY 60 METAL GARAGE STRUCTURE ON THE PROPOSED PARKING PAD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH G WITH THE STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE REAR ADDITION FEATURES AN APPROPRIATE DOOR STYLE STUCCO SIDING INSTEAD OF WOOD LAP SIDING AND WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND SIZE AND CONFIGURATION. AND MEET THE STANDARD STIPULATIONS. TWO, THAT THE WIDTH OF THE FRONT WALKWAY IS LIMITED TO THREE FEET OR MATCH THE PATTERN OF SIDEWALKS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THREE, THAT THE NEW EAST SIDE DRIVEWAY FEATURES A WIDTH OF 10 FEET INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED 12. AND THAT FOUR, THAT THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FEATURES WOOD OR HARDY BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING AND A GABLE ROOF INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED METAL SHED ROOF. AND FIVE, THAT THE UPDATED MEASURED DRAWINGS AND SITE PLANS WITH SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE REAR ADDITION REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FEATURING APPROPRIATE DETAILS ARE PROVIDED TO STAFF PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION THE APPLICANT. HERE PLEASE DO WE HAVE CITIZEN, UM, WALTON WINSELL SIGNED IN, BUT I BELIEVE HE LEFT. SO, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. YEAH, I'M SORRY. MY NAME'S REJO. UH, I'M THE NEW OWNER. WE RECENTLY, I RECENTLY GOT THE PROPERTY. UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THEY, I'M OKAY WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE ACTUALLY, I LIKE HIM BETTER. UH, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS HISTORICAL. AND AFTER MEETING WITH THE STAFF AND TALKING WITH THEM, I LIKE IT. I THINK THAT IT'S GONNA LOOK BETTER. IT'S GONNA BE BETTER. SO I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE SAYING. I WANT TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THE ONLY THING THAT, IF I COULD HAVE IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE, IF YOU SEE THAT 12 FEET PROPOSED, UM, WAY ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AT 12 BECAUSE THE, THE STRUCTURE IS FOR MY BOAT AND MY RV AND A HOME GYM THAT I HAVE IN THE BACK TRYING TO BACK UP A BIG TRUCK AND A BIG TR AND AN RV IN A 10 FOOT TRAILER IS GONNA, UH, IN, UH, WALKWAY IS GONNA BE EXTREMELY HARD. IF I COULD DO 12, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IF NOT TEN'S. OKAY. UM, ALSO YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT. WE HAVE THE NEW PRIVACY FANS. UH, EVERYTHING'S CL THAT'S THE OLD WAY TO LOOK. USED TO LOOK NOW WE HAVE PRIVACY FANS. WE HAVE A LOT OF BUFFER IN BETWEEN THE FRONT AND BACK. WE HAVE A LOT OF TREES IN THE MIDDLE, SO YOU'LL NEVER KNOW THAT THE STRUCTURE'S IN THE BACK. UH, ACTUALLY IN THE NEW IDEA, THANKS, UH, TO THE STAFF, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF MAKING A METAL BOX, WE'RE TRYING TO MIMIC THE ANGLES OF THE HOUSE, MAKE IT PRETTIER AND HARDY ON THE OUTSIDE. UM, BUT PRETTY MUCH THAT'S IT. WE WANT TO DO ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. JUST IF I COULD KEEP THE 12 FEET ON THE, ON THE LONG SIDE, UH, WALK, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND THAT DRIVE IS CONCRETE OR IS IT, UH, THAT WOULD BE CONCRETE. CONCRETE, YEAH. HAVE YOU EXPLORED ANY KINDA LIKE, UH, STABILIZED, UH, UH, CALICHE BASE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE LESS, UH, JUST NOT YET PERVIOUS. OKAY. NOT YET. AND HOW MUCH I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THIS WORK HAS BEEN EXECUTED ALREADY, CORRECT? WELL, WE HAVE DIRT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST DIRT. BUT, UH, IN THE REAR OF THE LOT, THERE WAS A LOT OF VEGETATION THERE PRIOR TO THIS WORK BEING DONE. RIGHT. THERE WERE A LOT OF DEAD BUSH AND JUST DEAD TREES. IT WAS PROBABLY 50, 60 YEARS OF NEGLECT. [04:55:01] UH, WE TOOK A LOT OF DEAD STUFF IN THE BACK. UM, THERE WERE SOME TREES THERE. YES, WE WERE UNAWARE OF THAT, BUT THEY WERE NOT AS DENSE. LIKE TREES WERE NOT THAT MUCH. WERE MORE BUSHES. ACTUALLY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, A PICTURE WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE PROPERTY. LIKE RIGHT THERE. WE PRESERVE ALL OF THE TREES AND WE JUST TOOK CARE OF THE BUSHES. I DUNNO IF YOU, WE HAVE THE BACK. YES, THERE WERE A FEW TREES, BUT THEY'RE NOT THAT DENSE. THE BUSHES WERE THE REALLY DENSE. RIGHT. I, I ASK THAT JUST BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU WANNA GET OUT THE DEAD, BUT IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S STILL A SCREEN OF LIVING TREES BACK THERE THAT HELPS TO BUFFER BETWEEN YOU AND, AND WHOEVER IS TO THE NORTH. MM-HMM. , UH, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M SO GLAD YOU'VE TAKEN ON THIS PROPERTY AND, AND I THINK THIS ALLOWS FOR A CHALLENGE. 'CAUSE THE DEPTH OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS FOR THIS KIND OF TREATMENT. IT'S ALMOST, UH, LIKE AN AGRARIAN, UH, UH, SITE WITHIN THE CITY. AND I COULD SEE THIS BEING AN APPROPRIATE, UH, PLACEMENT OF THE, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDING WAY TO THE BACK. UM, JUST AS LONG AS YOU'RE KIND OF RETAINING OR MAYBE EVEN AUGMENTING THE SCREENING AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, GET OUT THE DEAD AND MAYBE PLANT A FEW NEW TREES AROUND IT. UH, BUT I THINK STAFF HAS THIS CORRECT AND I SUPPORT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. CAN, CAN I EVEN GET A CURB CUT WIDER THAN A 10? I HAVE TO GET A, WELL, THEY, IF YOU CAN GO THROUGH GOOGLE MAPS AND YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE STREET THERE, A LOT, A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE REALLY BIG, UH, WELL, ES WAS BEFORE IT WAS HISTORIC. SO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES SAY 10. THAT'S WHY IT'S 10. OKAY. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF A PREFERENCE, A PERSONAL PREFERENCE. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. IT'S BECAUSE THE GUIDELINES SAY 10. I UNDERSTAND. SO YOU COULD DO 10, COULD DO 10 AND MAYBE, UM, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BUILDINGS THAT ARE PAIRING YOU ANYTHING. I MEAN, HAVE PLANETARY SPACE ON WHOLE SITES. YOU CAN PROBABLY, YEAH. SO I MEAN, LIKE, YOU'LL PROBABLY JUST THE FEW TIMES THAT YOU'RE GONNA RUN YOUR RV OVER, PROBABLY RUN OVER SOME GRANITE OR SOME GRASS RIGHT THERE. AND COULD THE RIGHT, THE MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE THERE IS CLAY, SO IF IT'S RAINING, I'M DEFINITELY GONNA GET STUCK, LIKE FOR SURE GONNA GET STUCK. BUT YOU CAN DO WE, THEY'RE ACCORDING, I MEAN, WE'RE PROVING A 10 INCH, 10 FEET, SORRY. RIGHT. YEAH. IF, IF YOU'RE APPROVE OF 10, GREAT. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR ME. IF I CAN GET AWAY WITH 12, THAT'LL BE AMAZING. BUT IF NOT 10 WE'LL HAVE TO DO AND I'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. MAYBE CAN, CAN I, CAN I ASK? UH, YES SIR. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO YOU AT ALL IF, UH, WE HAD A A, A STIPULATION THAT SAID IT'S, IT'S 10 FEET FROM THE STREET TO THE REAR OF THE NEAREST HOUSE AND THEN YOU CAN EXPAND TO 12? THAT WOULD BE AMAZING IF I CAN DO 10 TO THE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE NOW IN THE FRONT, LIKE, WELL IN, IN THE REAR. THIS IS LESS OF AN ISSUE. AND I KNOW THIS IS A NEW HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THE APRON WITTS AND THE DRIVES IN THE FRONT ARE A REALLY CONTENTIOUS ISSUE. RIGHT. AND IT'S, I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE TWO FEET. I, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT BEYOND, BEYOND THE, THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES IN THE REAR. I'M REALLY ONLY WORRIED ABOUT IT IN THE FRONT. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT. WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? YEAH, THAT'LL BE IMMENSELY HELPFUL IF WE CAN DO 10 TO FRONT AND AFTER THAT PRESS, ACTUALLY, I THINK THEY SHOULD JUST, UH, WHAT WE COULD DO IS REVISE THAT DRAWING BECAUSE OVER THERE BY THE, UM, BY THE END WHERE YOU HAVE THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, YOU HAVE IT AS 12. WOULD YOU EVEN BE ABLE TO DO THAT TURN WITH AN RV? WOULDN'T YOU NEED YES, TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BIGGER AREA? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PAD IN THE BACK IS 90, 90 FEET, UM, 90 BY 60. SO ON THE 60 FEET, I HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO, TO BACK IT UP. IT PROPERTY'S HUGE. I HAVE AN ACRE INSIDE OF FOUR 10. I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S AMAZING. IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE. UH, A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE HOUSE. I MEAN IT'S, BUT ONCE WE'RE DONE, IT'S GONNA BE GREAT. UM, I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, FISH HERE KINDA HIT UPON A, A, A COMPROMISE THAT I THINK THAT I COULD REALLY SUPPORT. AND BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE AERIAL, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, GOOGLE, YOU SEE HOW THIS DEVELOPED WHERE THE, THE HOUSES AND EVEN THEIR UM, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE ALL SHIFTED TOWARDS THE STREETS IN A MORE CONVENTIONAL WAY. AND THEN THEY LEFT THESE REAL DEEP LOTS BEHIND THAT. AND SO I WOULD PROPOSE, UH, AND I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE, UH, TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE AND WITH STAFF STIPULATION THREE REVISED TO READ THAT THE NEW EAST DRIVEWAY FEATURES A WIDTH OF 10 FEET TO, UH, EXTENDING FROM THE STREET TO THE REAR PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THEN 12 FEET BEYOND THAT. THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [05:00:04] WE'RE GETTING CLOSER FOLKS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. [B-25 19-6285 Address/Description: 162 GREENLAWN HDRC Case No.: 2019-466 Historic District Name: Greenlawn Estates Applicant: Linda and Louis Trinidad Request: Construction of a rear addition City Council Dist.: 1] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER B 25, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 66 AT 1 62 GREENLAWN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 692 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON THE SUBMITTED DRAWINGS AND THE ROOF FORM NOTED IN FINDING B AND E STAFF FINDS THAT THE FOOTPRINT AND MATERIALS ARE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE. HOWEVER, STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD RESUBMIT A REVISED DESIGN THAT RESOLVE THE ROOF FORM'S, INCONSISTENCY WITH THE GUIDELINES AND FEATURES A VERTICAL TRIM PIECE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN NEW AND OLD FORMS WITH MEASURED ELEVATION, DRAWINGS, AND A ROOF PLAN. IF THE COMMISSION DENIES ANY ITEM, THE APPLICANT MUST REVERSE OR CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS WITHIN 90 DAYS UNLESS STIPULATED OTHERWISE. CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT DISCLOSED DURING THE SUBMISSION OF THE APPLICATION ON AUGUST 1ST, 2019 THAT A REAR EDITION WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT PERMITS AND PRIOR TO APPROVAL. AT THIS TIME, STAFF REMAINS CONCERNED ABOUT THE QUALITY AND ACCURACY OF THE SUBMITTED MEASURED DRAWINGS. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN COOPERATIVE TO UPDATE THESE DRAWINGS PER THE COMMISSION ACTION. THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE DO WE HAVE A CITIZEN TO BE HEARD. UM, SAME THING. WALTON WINSELL HAS SIGNED IN, BUT I BELIEVE HE HAS LEFT. HI, MY NAME'S LOUIS TRINIDAD, 1 62 GREEN LAWN DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UM, ON THE PICTURE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, I THINK THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S MOST IN QUESTION. THAT PARTICULAR PICTURE IS THREE QUARTERS BACK OF THE ROOF ON THE ROOF IN TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT THIS IS A UNCOMPLETED STRUCTURE. WE RAN OUTTA MONEY BOTTOM LINE, SO WE HAD TO STOP. WE'RE AT THE COMPLETION TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE IS COMPLETELY DONE. AS FAR AS THE OUTSIDE, WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, EVERYTHING IS ALREADY COMPLETE. WE TRIED TO GO AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE HISTORIC THAT'S ALREADY THERE. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER THERE IS WHERE THE ROOF GOES DOWN. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THESE ARE TWO BRAND NEW ROOMS, BEDROOMS THAT HAD BEEN BEEN ATTACHED TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE FRONT RIGHT HERE, WHAT THAT IS GONNA BE ONTO THE GARAGE, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND SUBTRACT EVERYTHING OUT OF THE GARAGE AND MAKE IT INTO A NICE DEN. JUST A NICE LIVING AREA. BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE RAN OUTTA MONEY YESTERDAY. WE SUBMITTED SOME DRAWINGS AND HE, MR. HUY IS CORRECT. THEY'RE NOT AT A PROFESSIONAL STATUS, BUT THEY'RE THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO AT ONE DAY NOTICE ALL WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IS JUST CONTINUING THE EXACT SAME, UH, DESIGN TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM, ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. UM, WE WENT AHEAD AND PAID THE COMMISSION BECAUSE WE DID DO IT WITHOUT A PERMIT AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE. I BELIEVE WE CALL IT A, UH, A FINE AND IT WAS A $500 FINE THAT WE WENT AHEAD AND PAID AND WE, WE WILL CONTINUE PAYING ANYTHING EXTRA. AND, UH, THAT IF YOU NEED MORE EXTRA DRAWINGS, I'LL TRY MY BEST TO TRY AND FIND SOMEBODY TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT. BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL YOU, THE REASON WHY THAT WALL IS LIKE THAT ON THE GARAGE IS BECAUSE THERE'S WHERE WE HAD TO STOP. BUT THE OTHER PARTS OF THE ROOMS ARE ALREADY COMPLETE. BUT IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S A PROJECT STILL IN, STILL IN THE MAKING. WHEN WAS THE WORK STARTED? MY WIFE HAS SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. WE CAME IN ON A DAY TO COME PICK UP THE PERMITS TO GO AHEAD AND START IT. WE HAD EVERY, JUST A SECOND. WE HAD EVERYTHING IN MOTION. WE HAD OUR CONTRACTORS, WE HAD THE MATERIALS, WE HAD EVERYTHING READY TO GO. AND WHEN WE GOT HERE, MY WIFE WENT FROM STATION TO STATION TO STATION. I'LL GET TO YOUR, I'LL GET TO YOUR ANSWER. I'M SORRY. UH, AND WHEN SHE GOT TO THE LAST STATION TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE PERMIT, THE GUYS WERE READY AT THE HOUSE AND SOME KIND OF FLAG CAME UP ON THE, ON THE LADY'S SCREEN, SAID APPROVAL FOR [05:05:01] HISTORIC. THEY HAD JUST APPROVED IT THE VERY SAME MORNING. SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THAT BECAUSE OF THE MONIES THAT WERE GIVEN INTO THE, INTO THE PROJECT. WE PROCEEDED WITH IT, BUT WE'RE READY TO PAY ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO PAY TO. IT'S FINE. IT'S NOT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. THERE, THERE, THERE'S TWO ISSUES HERE AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE TIMING AND WHEN THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE GREEN LAWN IS A RELATIVELY NEW DISTRICT. UM, ONE IS . ONE PIECE OF THIS IS WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT AT WHAT WAS BUILT. AND, AND THE DRAWINGS I DON'T THINK ARE ADEQUATE. MAYBE A SITE VISIT IS REQUIRED. UH, THANK YOU. I SUBMITTED PICTURES. I, I KNOW, BUT WE, WE NEED TO FIND A, WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION SO THAT WHEN THIS ADDITION IS COMPLETED YES SIR. THAT IT CAN, UH, BEGIN TO COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES. YES, SIR. SO WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF RESOLVE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES YES, SIR. WITH THE SAME SOLUTION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. UNDERSTOOD. SO I I I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A SITE VISIT ON THIS. AND I, AND I WOULD MOVE TO SEND THIS TO THE D R C. I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT. I JUST WANNA, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT, THIS IS A NEW HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT'S NEW FOR YOU AND YOU'VE ALREADY DONE, YOU KNOW, ONE MISTAKE, I THINK YOUR IDEA RIGHT NOW IS THAT YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO CHANGE THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD TO, TO LET, UH, FOR US TO ACCEPT THAT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE GUIDELINES. WE USUALLY DON'T MODIFY ANYTHING THE FRONT. WE USUALLY GO, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT IT'S GONNA BE A SITE VISIT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU DID AND HOW YOUR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THE NEW AND THE OLD. BUT I ALSO SUGGEST THAT YOU WORK CLOSELY WITH STAFF OR GET AHOLD OF THOSE GUIDELINES. 'CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO IMAGINE SOMETHING ON YOUR HOME THAT IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN. I SURE APPRECIATE THE VISIT. OKAY. I REALLY DO. SO MOTION IN A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. HAVE A NICE EVENING. WERE, WERE YOU IN THE MARINE CORPS? YES SIR, I WAS. WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. CASE [B-26 19-6257 Address/Description: 905 N MESQUITE ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-437 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Shawn Collard/Shawn Collard Construction Request: Window replacement and exterior modifications City Council Dist.: 2] NUMBER B 26 AT, UM, 20 19, 4 37 AT 9 0 5 NORTH MESQUITE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, RELOCATE AND RESIZE TWO WOOD WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. TWO, TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR WITH A MID-CENTURY STYLE DOOR AND THREE, TO ENCLOSE A 50 SQUARE FOOT REAR INSET PORCH. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH D. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL UNAPPROVED WORK BE REVERSED. A NEW FRONT DOOR MAY BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY IF IT IS APPROPRIATE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. IF THE COMMISSION DENIES ANY ITEMS, THE APPLICANT MUST REVERSE OR CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS WITHIN 90 DAYS UNLESS OTHERWISE STIPULATED. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE BASED ON FINDINGS E WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE DESIGN INCORPORATES A VERTICAL TRIM PIECE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN NEW AND OLD FORMS AND THAT THE REAR WOOD SCREEN DOOR IS RE-INSTALLED TO THE NEW REAR DOOR OPENING CASE. COMMENT ON A SITE VISIT CONDUCTED ON JULY 22ND, 2019. STAFF FOUND THAT A NUMBER OF WORK ITEMS HAVE BEEN PERFORMED PRIOR TO APPROVAL, INCLUDING THE RELOCATION AND RESIZING OF WINDOW OPENINGS AND CLOSURE OF A REAR INSET PORCH AND DOOR REPLACEMENT. THE ORIGINAL WOOD SASH WINDOWS WERE FOUND ON SITE AND STAFF ADVISED THE PRESENT CONTRACTOR AGAINST DISCARDING THEM UNTIL THE CONCLUSION OF A COMMISSION ACTION. AT THIS TIME, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ONLY RECEIVED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR FOUNDATION REPAIR, SIDEWALK REPAIR IN-KIND WOOD REPAIRS AND INSTALLATION OF AN EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVEWAY. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION ON JULY 24TH, 2019. THE POST-WORK APPLICATION HAS NOT BEEN PAID AT THIS TIME. THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE. THERE, UH, THIS IS JEFF SNYDER. I'M THE HOMEOWNER. I LIVE AT 9 0 5 NORTH MESQUITE. THIS IS MY CONTRACTOR. UH, DID YOU GET THE P D F I SENT? UM, SO I'VE OWNED THE HOUSE FOR FIVE OR FOUR YEARS. I'M AN ARCHITECT IN TOWN. I WORK AT LAKE PLATO. UM, NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE. UM, SO, UM, A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS I JUST WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT. UM, SO THE FRONT DOOR, I THINK THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN, UH, SOME MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT. COULD YOU, UH, SCROLL TO THAT? SO THIS WAS THE, THE DOOR FROM, UM, THE ORIGINAL WHEN I BOUGHT IT. UM, IT IS, IT DOES LOOK MID-CENTURY TO ME, UM, LIKE THE, THE RECTANGULAR WINDOW. SO, UM, IF THE STAFF, [05:10:02] IF RECOMMENDS THAT I REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING MORE, UM, ORIGINAL TO THE, TO THE HOME, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING MORE, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, TURN OF THE CENTURY, UH, I'M, I CAN DO THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, A GOOD THING TO DO. BUT I, I WAS NEVER REPLACING THAT WITH, UH, ANYTHING NEW THAT WAS JUST EXISTING, UM, EXISTING. AND YOU WEREN'T REPLACING IT OR PROPOSING A REPLACEMENT. IT SHOULD BE FINE TO, OKAY, COOL. LET'S DO THAT THEN. UM, AND THEN THE, THE SECOND ITEM ABOUT THE, THE WINDOWS IN THE KITCHEN, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, MAKE THAT TRICKY. SO, UH, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE, UH, I GUESS, WELL, LEMME SAY A COUPLE THINGS BEFORE I GET INTO THAT. UH, THE, THE FIRST THING IS, UH, THE EXISTING WINDOWS WERE IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE, AND SO THEY NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. UM, AND SO ALONG WITH THIS RENOVATION, I'M REDOING THE KITCHEN AND, UM, THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAD BEFORE WERE LOW ENOUGH THAT YOU REALLY COULDN'T GET CABINETS IN THERE WITH, UM, WITH WHAT WE HAD. UM, AND THAT RIGHT THERE. YEAH. UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT'S, IT FACES NORTH, WHICH IS, UH, THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT NEXT NEXT TO ME. SO IT, IT'S NOT REALLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, UM, UNLESS IT'S A, LIKE A, A REALLY ACUTE, UH, ANGLE. UM, SO I, I WANTED TO, UM, MATCH THE STYLE OF, UH, THE, THE WINDOWS ON THE HOME ITSELF AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE HOME TO THE, UH, NORTH. SO I JUST, UM, SIZE THEM SIMILAR TO THAT. AND THEY'RE ALSO BUILT IN A, UH, IN THE SAME WAY AS THE, THE ONES THAT WERE THERE, UM, WHERE THEY'RE WOOD SASH, CUSTOM WINDOWS. UM, SO THAT WERE REPLACED THERE. WE HAD ONE FULL HEIGHT WINDOW, WHICH WOULD MAKE KIND OF THE THIRD IN A SERIES. AND THEN WE HAD A HEIGHT WINDOW LOOKING AT, UH, SLIDE 10. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE, THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. SO THE WINDOW, UH, ON THE FAR BACK THERE WAS RELOCATED ALTOGETHER. IS THAT, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE. YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE RAISED THE SILL AND THE I RAISED THE SILL AND THEN, UM, MOVED THE ONE, THERE'S A, A PIPE KIND OF IN FRONT OF IT. I MOVED THAT ONE OVER SLIGHTLY, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW KITCHEN LAYOUT. SO THE, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THE, THE SILLS HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED ON A COUPLE IN THE JAMS HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED WITH FRAMING MEMBERS ADJUSTED ON THE ONES THAT THE JAMS WERE CHANGED. SO THEY YES. MOVEMENT HORIZONTALLY VERSUS MOVEMENT VERTICALLY. UH, YES. THE SILLS ON ONE OF 'EM, THE SILL WAS RAISED AND WE MOVED THE JAMS ON, ON BOTH OF THEM. ONE WINDOW HAS BEEN CLOSED IN. NO, WE JUST MOVED. WE JUST MOVED IT. THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS TWO WINDOWS THERE BEFORE AND NOW THERE'S, NOW THERE'S TWO WINDOWS THERE NOW. DIDN'T REALLY MOVE IT, YOU DIDN'T REALLY MOVE IT, YOU CHANGED THE SIZE. YOU RELOAD. YOU CHANGED THE LOCATION. YEAH, WE WERE, SO IT'S, IT'S A, YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. STILL HAVE THE WINDOWS ON SITE. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. THEY'RE GREAT WINDOWS. WELL, WHAT'S YOUR REPLACEMENT CUSTOM WINDOWS JUST TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO YOUR DRAWINGS, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S A 1 0 1. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST ONE PIECE OF GLASS. IT'S JUST A DRAWING. BUT YEAH, SIR, CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOU'RE SPEAK TO THE MIC FOR US? I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT AS WELL. UM, YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH. THESE NEW WINDOWS ARE BASICALLY MADE TO MATCH THE OLD, THE OLD WINDOWS. SO THEY'LL BE ONE OVER ONE. YES. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT THE SAME SIZE AS THE ORIGINAL ONES. NO, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME WIDTH. RIGHT. PRETTY CLOSE. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. IT'S WITHIN AN INCH OR TWO. IT'S, I THINK, I THINK THEY ARE THE SAME WIDTH. AND THEN IT'S THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK. YOU'RE KEEPING THEM, THERE'S NO WINDOWS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. TWO SMALL ONES I SEE ON A PICTURE. [05:15:01] WHERE ARE THEY? OH, THOSE WERE, UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THOSE? SO THAT, THAT WAS JUST TO SHOW IT'S A, IT'S A PRECEDENT OF THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, UM, TO JUST SHOW APPROPRIATENESS. SO HERE'S MY THINKING HERE. THIS IS A VERY SMALL HOUSE. YEAH. UH, I AGREE WITH STAFF GENERALLY ON THIS. I THINK SMALL HOUSES LIKE THIS, UM, ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS FOR SURE. UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A CASE WHERE I WOULD GENERALLY SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OR RELOCATION OF ANY EXTERIOR WINDOWS THAT COULD BE VIEWED BY THE STREET. BUT GIVEN ITS SIZE AND I, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I CAN UNDERSTAND SOME NEED TO MAKE A MODIFICATION TO MAKE THIS WORK GIVEN ITS SIZE. YEAH. IF THERE WERE ANY TWO WINDOWS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MODIFIED THAT WE, THAT I WOULD'VE CONSIDERED APPROVING MODIFIED, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE THESE. I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME THOUGHTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THIS. SO WHAT ABOUT CONSIDERING THAT LITTLE WINDOW, CAN YOU SHOW ME THE ORIGINAL PICTURE AGAIN? WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE? WE DID. WE HAVE, YEAH, I THINK IT'S IN THAT ONE. OKAY. THAT ONE. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY EITHER MATCHING THAT SIZE OF THAT SMALL WINDOW TO THE RIGHT, BUT YOU'RE USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. WE MATCH THE WIDTH OF THAT. THE WIDTH, BUT NOT THE HEIGHT IS CORRECT. IS THERE SOME, CAN WE GO BACK AND GET THAT WINDOW AND THEN A SECOND ONE TO THE LEFT OF THAT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE USING AS AN EXAMPLE FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS APPROPRIATE? UM, WE COULD, I MEAN, THAT'S POSSIBLE. I I THINK IT, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA GIVE ME THE, I'D BE LOSING A LOT OF LIGHT IN THAT ROOM. I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S A KIND OF, UM, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? WELL, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GETTING THAT, THAT, THAT SIZE. I GUESS I, I WOULD BE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT THAT WOULD BE GOING INTO THE ROOM SUBSTANTIALLY FROM WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. I REALLY DON'T THINK SO. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A, ONE OF A ONE IN THIS KITCHEN THAT IT'S GONNA PLAY WITH THE OTHER TWO WINDOWS. I WOULD SAY, UM, IF I'M GOING TO, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY DONE AND WE'RE TRYING TO GO TO A COMPROMISE HERE FOR SURE. I, I WOULD GO MORE TO TOWARDS ACCEPTING, KEEPING THAT ORIGINAL WINDOW ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT AND DO SOMETHING MATCHING ON THAT. BUT I WOULD WANNA SEE A FINAL DRAWING FOR THAT. SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE NEW LOCATIONS, BUT, UH, TO REPLICATE THE SMALLER, ALMOST SQUARE WINDOW THAT WAS EXISTING? WELL, I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT THAT WINDOW CHANGED LOCATION, DID IT? NO, IT DIDN'T. IT IT MOVED OVER SLIGHTLY. YEAH. AND DID, OKAY. WELL, I WANNA BARELY MATTER OF INCHES. NO, NO. THE ONE TO THE LEFT. YES. BUT THIS ONE TO THE RIGHT, DID THAT ONE MOVE? YES. THE ONE TO THE RIGHT MOVED A MATTER OF INCHES. I THINK IT WAS LIKE SMALL SQUARE ONE MOVED SLIGHTLY. YEAH. AND THE, THE ONE ON THE LEFT MOVED, UH, BASICALLY THE WIDTH OF THE WINDOW. YES, ESSENTIALLY. WHICH IS FINE. I WOULD REVERSE. I MEAN, IF YOU CAN, YOU HAVE THE WINDOW ON SITE, RIGHT? THE SMALL ONE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT USABLE ANYMORE. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REBUILT ANYWAYS. BUT THIS ONE IS BEING REBUILT TO LOOK LIKE IT ANYWAYS. SO THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO BE GAINED BY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF WILL CLARIFY FOR US IF NEEDED. SO I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THIS, UH, IT'S SAYING THAT IT WAS DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL. DOES THAT MEAN IT WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT? ALL OF THIS WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMIT? NO, WE HAVE PERMITS. WE HAVE PERMITS FOR ALL THIS STAFF HASN'T CHECKED THE ACTUAL PERMITS, BUT IT'S WITHOUT APPROVAL. UH, SOMETIMES ITEMS GET INCLUDED ON PERMITS WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE, BUT WE'D HAVE TO CHECK. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE HARD TO HAVE A PERMIT WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM HISTORIC. CORRECT. WELL, WE DID THE, IN IN, SOME OF IT WAS DONE IN DIFFERENT PHASES. SO WE HAD LIKE ONE APPROVAL DONE FOR THE DRIVEWAY, THE SIDEWALK, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. WE DID, UH, THE FRONT PORCH. ALL THOSE THINGS WERE APPROVED. ALL THE THINGS WERE DONE WITH, WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT, THE INTERIOR STUFF, WHICH THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, SAY SO, OR ANYWAYS, THAT WAS ALL DONE WITH A PERMIT. SO WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, SOME FLOORING MOVING AN INTERIOR DOOR. ALL THAT WAS DONE WITH PERMITS. BUT WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND RELOCATION ALSO [05:20:01] REQUIRES A PERMIT. YEAH. THE, THE STUFF THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, PART OF THE, YEAH, IT WAS PART OF THE, THE OVERALL PERMIT. I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT AS SPECIFIC GUY SAW, SAW. IF YOU GOT A PERMIT FOR A DRIVEWAY OR FRONT PORCH, YOU MUST HAVE GONE THROUGH THE HISTORIC RIGHT OFFICE. YES, YES. YEAH. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED. SO I I JUST, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT AND, AND YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT WITH LAKE PLATO, RIGHT? REG REGISTERED ARCHITECT. UM, SO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT WINDOWS IS BECAUSE OF REVERSIBILITY. THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO US. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ONCE YOU START CUTTING THAT EXISTING SIDING, YOU CAN'T, YOU PUT IT BACK, IT'S IN LITTLE SLOTS, OR YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT MORE SIDING TO FEATHER IT IN. IT MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO, TO GET IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL OLD GROWTH WOOD SIDING, KEEP THAT FABRIC INTACT AND NOT HAVE MULTIPLE PENETRATIONS INTO THAT SIDING. IT'S JUST, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT WINDOW IS, UH, REPLACED. THE SIDING'S NOT EVEN FEATHERED IN, IT'S JUST, IT'S PUT IN. SO IT MAKES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REAL REASON WHY WE DON'T LIKE DOING THIS. AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE, WE HATE CUTTING INTO EXISTING SIDING JUST TO MOVE A WINDOW OVER THREE FEET. SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. I MEAN, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU KIND OF START TO FRANKENSTEIN AN AN OLD BUILDING AND THEN YOU CAN'T PUT IT BACK TO NORMAL. SO JUST, JUST TO FOR CONTEXT AS TO WHY THIS IS A BIG DEAL. UM, SO I, I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT THEIR OPINION IS, BUT I, I, I VERY RARELY STAND BEHIND DOING THIS. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING IT ALL BACK WHERE IT IS. WHERE IT WAS. YEAH. I, I THINK I ALSO WANNA STRESS, IF YOU GO TO THE FIRST PHOTO OF THE HOUSE, I MEAN, THIS ISN'T VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. UM, AND THAT WITH THE TREE. SO I THINK COMMISSIONER BOWMAN VERY WELL ARTICULATED, UH, WHY THIS IS AN ISSUE. AND, AND I WOULD HATE, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT IT, YOU AS A DESIGNER AND, AND WITH A GREAT, EXCELLENT FIRM, UH, THAT, UH, OPERATES FROM, YOU KNOW, SOUND CONCEPTUAL AND PHILOSOPHICAL POINTS OF VIEW THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHY IT'S AN ISSUE WITH US. UM, AND I HAVE THAT SAME ISSUE. WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO IT YET WITH THIS, UH, BACK PORCH THAT GOT INFILLED, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, I THINK STAFF IS, IS ACCEPTING IT. BUT I WOULD, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY, UM, BRING IN SOME ACTUALLY, MAYBE SOME CONTEMPORARY ASPECT TO YOU. SOME MEMORY THAT WAS IMPORTANT. EVEN IF YOU WERE RUNNING, WANTING TO ENCLOSE IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE SIDING RECOMMENDATIONS THERE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT WINDOW WHEN YOU ENCLOSED THAT PORCH? THERE'S A LITTLE WINDOW THERE THAT, THAT ON SIDE THAT WAS REMOVED. YEAH. WHAT THAT WAS REMOVED AND IT WAS TRASHED. IT WAS ROTTING PROBABLY EVEN IN BETTER SHAPE THAN THE OTHER ONES. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DOOR AND WHAT TYPE OF DOOR IS IT? I MEAN, I CAN ONLY SEE THE SCREEN. IT'S A SOLID WOOD DOOR. SOLID WOOD RECOMMENDED THAT THAT SCREEN DOOR GO BACK ON. AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT? YES. THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW, I, I, I'M, I'M GONNA SAY, I, I, I'M GONNA MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AS THEY HAVE IT WRITTEN, WHICH MEANS, UM, THAT THE, THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE REESTABLISHED AS THEY WERE HISTORICALLY. AND THAT YOU RETHINK HOW YOU USE THAT AS PART OF YOUR CONTEXT THAT YOU DESIGN AROUND RATHER THAN MANGLING THE BUILDING AND THE TALLER WINDOW. WHICH THAT A MOTION? THAT WAS A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. UM, COMMENTS. ONE, WOULD YOU, I MEAN, WOULD YOU GUYS ACCEPT A SCENARIO WHERE WE FEATHER THE SIDING IN THERE, OR, I MEAN, IT'S, UH, I REALIZE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL FOR THIS PRIOR TO THAT, BUT IT, IT PUTS ME IN A DIFFICULT PLACE. 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY MADE THE MILL WORK FOR THE KITCHEN AND, UH, EVERYTHING'S BEEN ORDERED. AND SO I WOULD HAVE TO, UH, IT'S ALL CUSTOM MILL WORK, SO I WOULD HAVE TO REDO THAT AT THIS POINT. WHICH COULD, THE PRIOR APPROVAL ISSUE IS KIND OF MOOT BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE [05:25:01] APPROVED, YOU WOULD'VE COME FOR PRIOR APPROVAL. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, YEAH. I GET THAT. SO I, I DEFINITELY SHARE MY, UH, COMMISSIONER'S FEELINGS ON THIS. UM, I'M PERSONALLY WILLING TO TRY TO FIND A WAY FORWARD TO ME, THE, TO ME, THE, THE WINDOWS WERE LOST MM-HMM. . SO I, I MIGHT BE MORE AMENABLE THAN OF MY FILLABLE COM COMMISSIONERS, UH, HERE. UM, SO I, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS MOTION. AND IF THIS MOTION FAILS, I'LL TRY TO MAKE ANOTHER ONE. UM, BEFORE I WANNA SAY, UM, I DO AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONS. I DO AGREE WITH THE MOTION. I WANNA ASK STAFF, IF WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS MOTION, CAN YOU COME BACK AND WITH ANOTHER SOLUTION? OF COURSE. OKAY. SO BECAUSE WE DON'T AGREE THAT THE WINDOWS SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED. OKAY. BUT, UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE A SOLUTION, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TODAY. I WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND MAYBE THINK ABOUT WHERE, WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU KEEP AS MUCH AS YOU CAN OF THIS? BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, REVERSING IT TO THIS. AND, AND THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES FOR, UH, LOW WALLS LIKE WE, WE HAVE THERE. THERE'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS. IT'S FOR CONSISTENCY. WE HAVE, WE SEE THESE ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TURN THESE DOWN ALL THE TIME. AND SO FOR PEOPLE THAT DO IT, YOU KNOW, ASK FORGIVENESS, ASK FORGIVENESS INSTEAD OF PERMISSION KIND OF A DEAL. LIKE IT, IT BREAKS THAT CONSISTENCY FOR, FOR ME PERSONALLY. AND SO IF THIS WOULD'VE COME BEFORE US AS A PRO PROPOSAL, IF SOMEBODY WOULD'VE COME TO US AND SAID, WE WANNA MOVE THIS WINDOW, WE WOULD'VE SAID, LEAVE THE WINDOW, DO A THIRD WALL. AND, YOU KNOW, INSULATE IT. BUILD YOUR MILLWORK ACCORDINGLY AROUND THAT FURRED WALL. BUT KEEP THE WINDOW SO THAT IF SOMEONE COMES BEHIND YOU AND WANTS TO OPEN THAT HISTORIC FABRIC BACK UP, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS TAKE DOWN THE THIRD WALL. SO THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS YOU INTENDED IN YOUR INITIAL PROPOSAL, BUT I THINK CONSISTENCY IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US. SO BEFORE FINISHING THE MOTION, COULD STAFF ADD, UM, THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE STIPULATION THAT IF ANY WINDOWS ARE FOUND TO BE, UH, BEYOND REPAIR OR PERMANENTLY DISCARDED, THAT UH, A IDENTICAL WOOD WINDOW BE, UH, INSTALLED WITH THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOW INFILL. BUT JUST WE'RE CHECKING IN WITH STAFF, PLEASE. WITH STAFF APPROVAL, THAT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVELY RIGHT? WINDOW REPLACEMENT TECHNICALLY STILL FOLLOWS UNDER YOUR PURVIEW. WELL, WITH YOUR APPROVAL, I'M GONNA CONSIDER THAT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, MOTION. AND, UH, SECOND, IT NEEDS TO CONFIRM THAT. YEAH, I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAYYY. AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. SO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. WELL, IT WAS, UH, BASICALLY AG WE AGREED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS IS THAT THE WINDOWS NEEDED TO GO BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY. OKAY. YOU NEED MORE CLARITY. WORK WITH YOUR, UH, CASE MANAGER ON THIS AND HE'LL THANK YOU. [B-27 19-6305 Address/Description: 1418 W ROSEWOOD AVE HDRC Case No.: 2019-467 Historic District Name: Keystone Park Applicant: David Rodriguez/J D ROMI GROUP LLC Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 1] CASE NUMBER B 27 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 67 AT 1418 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, PRIMARILY FEATURING THE REPLACEMENT OF WOOD WINDOWS WITH 14 ALUMINUM WINDOWS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS C THROUGH D IF THE COMMISSION DENIES ANY OF THE ITEMS. ALL WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL SHOULD BE REVERSED OR CORRECTED WITHIN 90 DAYS UNLESS OTHERWISE STIPULATED, INCLUDING ONE. SUBMITTING ACCURATE MEASURED ELEVATION, DRAWINGS TO STAFF, NOTING THE RESTORATION OF THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATION. TWO, RESTORING ALL WOOD, WINDOWS AND DOORS TO THEIR ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION AND LOCATION. THREE. IF ANY WINDOWS OR DOORS ARE FOUND TO BE PERMANENTLY DISCARDED, THEN SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE STAFF PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. AND FOUR, NO REMOVED VINYL IS ALLOWED TO BE REINSTALLED. ALL ELEVATIONS SHOULD FEATURE WOOD LAPS. SIDING MATCHING THE ORIGINAL SIDING PROFILE OF THE STRUCTURE. CASE COMMENT, STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT ON JULY 2ND, 2019, AND FOUND THAT THE PROPERTY WAS SUBJECTED TO A NUMBER OF FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, INCLUDING DOOR REMOVAL AND WINDOW RELOCATION IN THE SIDE REAR BAY, AS WELL AS INSTALLATION OF ALUMINUM WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE. A NUMBER OF WOOD WINDOWS AND ORIGINAL DOOR WAS VISIBLE ON THE SITE AT THE TIME. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION ON AUGUST 2ND, 2019 [05:30:02] TO BE HEARD AT THE NEXT H G R C HEARING. SIR, WOULD YOU COME FORWARD PLEASE? UM, I'M DAVID RODRIGUEZ, THE OWNER OF, UH, UH, PROPERTY THERE ON, ON ROSEWOOD, UM, ABOUT THE, WELL THAT'S AN ALUMINUM WINDOW. UM, YEAH, ABOUT REPLACING THE WINDOWS. THEY ALL NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. I MEAN THAT NOTHING REALLY WORKED. UH, THEY WERE IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE MAINLY 'CAUSE THE ROOF, UH, IT'S LIKE A SIEVE. UM, SO THEY WERE ROTTED AND WE, YOU KNOW, REPLACED THEM. AND THAT RIGHT THERE IS, IS, UH, WE INSIDE, WE HAVE BATHROOMS THERE NOW, OR A BATHROOM SIZE WAS, WAS CHANGED. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU. I GUESS I'M WANTING TO KNOW. OH, THAT RIGHT THERE WAS THE, UM, WE'VE JUST REPLACED MATERIAL. THAT ROOM WAS ALREADY THERE. IT WAS AN ENCLOSED PORCH AND WE REPLACED TWO WALLS. THAT ONE THAT YOU SEE THERE AND THE ONE TAKES A 90 DEGREE TURN AT THE END. HOW, HOW MANY OF THE WINDOWS THAT WERE REMOVED ARE STILL ON SITE? GOSH, I'M GONNA, UH, PROBABLY 13. I DON'T, THEY'RE NOT ON SITE, BUT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S HOW MANY WERE REMOVED? WE, WE WERE, OH NO, I'M ASKING IF THEY'RE ON SITE. NO, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE ON SITE. I MEAN, THEY'RE PRETTY BAD SHAPE. WELL, THERE'S JUST TWO ISSUES HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN, UH, CONSIDER REPLACEMENT WHEN THEY'RE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR. SO THE FIRST THING I'M LOOKING FOR IS EVIDENCE OF THEIR DETERIORATION. THE ONLY PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I CAN SEE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE UP ON THE SCREEN WHERE I CAN SEE THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ALREADY PULLED OUT. BUT ON SITE AND IN THAT, IN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS, I DON'T SEE SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION. SO YOU STILL HAD THEM AND COULD PROVIDE MORE EVIDENCE THAT NO, I DON'T HAVE RATED BEYOND REPAIR. I DON'T HAVE THE ONES THAT ARE ROTTED. WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE IF, UH, THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT LOOK GOOD, BUT THEY WEREN'T FUNCTIONAL, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, THE, THE MAIN REASON AGAIN IS RIDING. YEAH, MOST OF IT WAS ROTTED. SO JUST DID THAT NOW. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT, AND ALSO YOU'VE ACTUALLY CHANGED SOME OF THE FENESTRATION, I GUESS TO ADJUST TO THE MEASUREMENTS OF THE VINYL WINDOWS THAT YOU HAD TO BUY. YEAH. ARE THERE, THERE ARE INDEED THREE ? NO, NO, JUST THE BATHROOM. THE OTHERS ARE THE SIZE THAT NO, NO. THERE'S A COUPLE OF WINDOWS. A PICTURE ON THE INSIDE. UM, BY 32. AM I WRONG? ABOUT WHAT NOW? I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE PICTURE ON THE SCREEN. I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE ALSO CHANGED SOME OF THAT, BUT THE, THE FRAMES IN YOU JUST, WE PUT IN THE, THE TRIM AT THE BOTTOM AND THE TOP OR THE SEAL IN THE, ON THE TOP. AND WE JUST, THAT'S NOT FINISHED. BUT THE OTHER SIDE WHERE YOU HAD THE LITTLE WINDOWS THAT, THAT YEAH, THAT WAS CHANGED. AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN ON THE FRONT WINDOW, HOW WAS IT ORIGINALLY LIKE FOUR SMALL WINDOWS AND THEN ONE BIG PICTURE WINDOW? THAT ONE THAT YOU SEE THERE? YEAH. NOW THAT'S AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT'S STILL THERE. THAT'S PROBABLY FROM THE 1970S OR SO. IT'S ALUMINUM COLOR AND ALUMINUM NOW ON THE OUTSIDE IS PAINTED WHITE, I THINK, WHICH IS COMING UNDONE. BUT UH, ON THE INSIDE YOU CAN TELL, YOU CAN TELL. I THINK I HAVE A PICTURE OF IT INSIDE. IT'S JUST AN ALUMINUM WINDOW. THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT YOU DID INSTALL HAVE A WHITE YEAH, THEY LOOK LIKE, UM, LIKE WHAT WAS THERE? WELL, DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT MOVING WINDOWS AND MAKING THE SIZES SMALLER. UM, WE, AS YOU SAW, WE DID NOT APPROVE THAT CASE. AND SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY THE, THE BATHROOM WINDOWS THAT, THAT YOU'VE CHANGED THE SIZE OF. UM, IF THE APPLICATION HAD COME IN PRIOR TO DOING THAT, WE WOULD'VE, UH, DISCUSSED OPTIONS ON HOW TO GET YOU SMALLER WINDOWS, BUT KEEPING THE ON [05:35:01] THE INSIDE, BUT KEEPING THE FULL SIZE WINDOW ON THE OUTSIDE BY BUILDING A WALL ON THE INSIDE TO COVER UP THE PART OF THE WINDOW THAT, UH, YOU DON'T NEED IN THE BATHROOM. SO THAT IN THE FUTURE SOMEONE COULD COME IN AND REOPEN THAT WINDOW FULL HEIGHT. I WOULD BE OPEN IF THE, UM, APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH US. 'CAUSE HE HAS ALL THE WINDOWS ON SITE. UM, KEEP ALL THOSE WINDOW. WELL, MOST OF THEM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF THEM, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S MOST OF THEM, BUT YEAH, NOT ALL OF 'EM. UM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO A SITE VISIT AND SEE WHAT CAN WE REVERSE. I I AGREE IT'S A LOW COST. UM, AND WHAT, WHAT, WHICH ONES ARE REPAIRABLE, WHICH ONES ARE NOT? AND THEN GO FROM THERE AND SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN REVERSE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. DOES THAT MEAN KEEP NEW WINDOWS AND THEN PUT THE OTHER ONE, UH, WOODEN WINDS BACK? LET'S LOOK AT EACH WINDOW. SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO, UH, THERE'S TWO THINGS. UM, THE ONES THAT CAN BE REPAIRED, WE TRY TO REPAIR THE ONES THAT CAN BE REPLACED. THERE'S A SPECIFIC WAY THAT WE REPLACE THEM AND IT'S THE, THE SAME KIND OF CO CODE THAT IS HAS BEEN CALLED OUT HERE. UM, SO WE WOULD, ANOTHER THING THAT WE TRY TO DO IS IF THERE'S THREE WINDOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLE ONE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND YOU'RE WANTING TO REPLACE THAT ONE AND KEEP THE OTHER TWO, WE TRY TO BRING ANOTHER WINDOW FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE TO MATCH THAT STYLE OF WINDOW SO THAT FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR HOUSE. SO THAT THOSE THREE ARE OF THE SAME KIND MM-HMM. . SO THAT WE, THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THIS AND, AND KIND OF HELP YOU SAY, OKAY, WELL WHAT CAN WE DO HERE? WHAT CAN WE DO THERE? UM, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE LOOKING AT PICTURES AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ON SITE, WHAT'S NOT ON SITE. AND IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S TOUGH. SO WHAT ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOW A, A KITCHEN AREA. I MEAN WE, WE PUT IN TWO WINDOWS ON THAT WALL. NOW THAT, THAT ROOM THERE, THAT WAS THERE THAT WE REDID THE, THE SIDES, WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS THAT WAS ON THAT? NO, THERE WEREN'T ANY WINDOWS THERE. SO WE PUT TWO WINDOWS THERE. OKAY. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS THAT SNAF WAS NOTING. UH, STAFF FINDS THAT IT SHOULD BE RESTORED, THIS ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION OR AN APPROPRIATE SOLUTION BE, UM, SUBMITTED. EXACTLY. SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT SOMETHING. UM, YOU'VE DONE SOME CHANGES ON THE INSIDE. WE'RE ALWAYS, UM, OPEN TO DISCUSS THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN APPROVE THE ONES YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, JUST LIKE THIS. I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL HOUSE. OKAY. WHERE ARE WE GONNA TALK? THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE BECAUSE YOU, YOU SAID MAYBE FIX, UH, AND THEN, UH, USE THE WORD REPLACE. BUT ANYWAY, THE OTHER THING IS EXPENSE. I MEAN, I, I KNOW I CAN'T AFFORD NEW WOOD WINDOWS AND UH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO FIX ONE OF THESE OLD WINDOWS? THE EXPENSE IS GONNA PLAY A BIG PART, BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT. I I, I JUST NEED TO BRING THIS TO FRUITION AS SOON AS I CAN. AND, AND CAN UH, STAFF ALSO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE TAX VERIFICATION? 'CAUSE I THINK HE WOULD, YEAH. STAFF HAS INFORMED. OKAY. BECAUSE QUALIFY FOR THAT. I, I THINK I, I WANT YOUR EXPECTATIONS TO KIND OF BE IN THE RIGHT FRAME. I I I I DON'T THINK THAT THIS COMMISSION WILL APPROVE THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'VE PUT IN. SO THAT WILL INVOLVE REMOVING THOSE WINDOWS AND EITHER REPLACING THEM WITH SALVAGED FIXED WOOD WINDOWS OR REPLACING THEM WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF SPECIFICATION. AND IF THAT IS REALLY JUST NOT AN OPTION FOR YOU, UM, OR YOU DON'T THINK THAT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO. UM, I, I WOULD SUGGEST CONSIDERING APPEALING A DECISION THAT MEETS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS MAYBE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS OR SOMETHING, I JUST DON'T THINK THIS COMMISSION CAN GET, CAN GET WHERE YOU NEED TO BE. I APPRECIATE THAT. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION REAL QUICK? SURE, SURE. UM, SORRY, MY MICROPHONE IS DOING WEIRD FEEDBACK HERE. UM, IS THERE EVIDENCE THAT THERE WERE, WERE EVER WOOD SCREENS ON THIS HOUSE? THERE WEREN'T ANY SCREENS. YOU, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE HINGED FROM THE TOP THAT YOU SEE SOMETIMES ON HOUSES? YEAH. NO, THERE WERE NOT, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF THAT. NOT WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, NO. IF THAT'S BEEN ANOTHER POINT OF COMPROMISE THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS WHERE THERE, WHEN THERE'S BEEN A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT LIKE THIS. BUT IF THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THERE WERE WOOD SCREENS, THAT THEY PUT WOOD SCREENS BACK ON TOP OF THAT, THAT HELPED TO CONCEAL THE NON-COMPLIANT WINDOWS, GIVES THE APPEARANCE OF THE WOOD. BUT [05:40:01] IF THERE WASN'T ANY EVIDENCE OF IT, THAT MAY NOT BE A SOLUTION IN THIS CASE. WELL IT THERE, I SUPPORT A SITE VISIT. I THINK RESEARCH, I WAS JUST SAYING IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO RESEARCH. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK, UH, I, I MEAN I HOPE WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION AT A SITE VISIT. I THINK A SITE VISIT IS, BUT, BUT IT, I MEAN MAYBE WE SHOULD GO THE, UH, THE DECLINE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, AND GO TO THE APPEALS THING. 'CAUSE I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD IN, IN CONSIDERATION WITH ALL OF THE EXPENSE THAT STILL REMAINS TO BRING THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE HOUSE TO FRUITION. I, I, YOU KNOW, I GOT WAY DEEPER AND THAN WHAT I SHOULD HAVE. OF COURSE, I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS, UH, HISTORIC EITHER. WELL, MY, MY HEART SAN WHEN I WAS READING THIS CASE AND, AND SAW THE IMAGES OF, 'CAUSE IT IS A VERY, UH, IT IS A VERY ELEGANT, VERY KIND OF QUAINT, UH, HOUSE. AND, AND I KNOW IT'S GOT SOME, UH, CONDITION CHALLENGES, BUT A REALLY IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE HOUSE WAS LOST THROUGH THIS PROCESS. DID YOU SHOW HIM THE PICTURES THAT YOU, OF THE OTHER ONE OUTSIDE MONTE VISTA? I'M GONNA PUT THIS HOUSE BACK TO LOOK LIKE THIS ONE JUST DID THIS HOUSE ON RIDGEWOOD AND IT'S A SIMILAR STYLE. IT'S NOT THE SAME HOUSE, BUT IT'S A, YOU KNOW, NICE LOOKING LITTLE. GO AHEAD AND GO THEN WE DID THE SAME WINDOWS. NO, NOT THAT HOUSE. YOU GO TO THE INSIDE OF THAT, THAT ONE, SAME ONE. THAT'S THE INSIDE. THOSE ARE THE WINDOWS. THAT'S THE KITCHEN. THOSE ARE THE WINDOWS THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE IN THIS OTHER HOUSE OR PLAN TO IF, IF I'M ALLOWED TO. BUT IT'LL LOOK LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S A NICE HOUSE. SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME INVESTIGATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE AND, UM, I MOVE FOR REFERRAL TO D R C SITE. VISIT SECOND MOTION AND SECOND TO SEND THIS TO, UH, D R C. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. I'LL OPPOSED SAY, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM MEETING AUGUST 7TH. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON MINUTES? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN APPROVED. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.