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OKAY.[Call to Order]
SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER.THIS IS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE BUILDING RELATED AND THE FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD.
THIS IS TO DISCUSS THE C C R REGARDING BABY CHANGING STATIONS.
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE ROLL CALL TO THE LEFT, MAX HOSFORD.
[1. Elect a Chairperson for the Baby Changing Station Subcommittee.]
OKAY.FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ELECT A CHAIRPERSON FOR THE BABY CHANGING STATION SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE, DO YOU ACCEPT THE NOMINATION? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS THERE? BEING NONE BY ACCLIMATION.
YOU'RE NOW THE CHAIR, CHAIRMAN PERSON.
EVEN BETTER WITH THE FIVE MONTH OLD.
UH, SO NOW, NOW, NOW YOU TAKE OVER AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY DONE ROOM CALL INDIVIDUAL ITEM ONE IS DONE.
[2. Review City Council Consideration Request for the requirement to install baby changing stations in new and existing commercial buildings and provide recommendations to the full board for consideration.]
REVIEW CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, REQUEST FOR THE REQUIREMENT TO INSTALL BABY CHANGING STATIONS IN NEW AND EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE FULL BOARD FOR CONSIDERATIONS WE HEAR FROM CITY STAFF.UH, JEREMY MCDONALD, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING OUT TODAY.
UH, I APPRECIATE YOU FOR YOUR TIME, FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND FOR JOINING US TODAY TO DISCUSS THIS LOUDER THAN NORMAL.
UH, JUST A QUICK REMINDER WITH OUR NEW POLICY, UH, FOR SUB FOR THE BOARD MEETINGS.
UM, SO, UM, STAFF REQUEST THAT EVERYBODY PLEASE, UM, KEEP ALL CONVERSATION INTO THE MIC SO THAT EVERYBODY IS HEARING ALL CONVERSATIONS, UM, BOTH PRESENT AND ANYBODY REVIEWING THE VIDEOS LIVE OR, UM, IN RECORDING.
UM, AND ALSO TO STATE THROUGH NAME.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, WE STILL HAVE THE, UH, THE CAMERAS, WE'RE, WE'RE ZOOMING IN ON EVERYBODY AND LETTING 'EM KNOW WHO, WHO IS TALKING AT THE TIME.
UH, BUT FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS, UH, SEEING IMPAIRMENTS THAT WE CAN, UH, VERIFY WHO, WHO IS THE SPEAKER.
UM, SO WE'LL GO OVER THE APPEAL OR THE REQUEST REAL QUICK.
UM, I HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION.
UM, STAFF DOES HAVE SOME RECOMMENDED VERBIAGE, UH, THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR REVIEW.
UM, AND THEN KIND OF GO FROM THERE AND I'LL, UH, HAND IT BACK TO THIS, UH, TO THE BOARD TO OR, OR THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE ANY MORE INFORMATION REQUESTED BY D S T.
SO A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE REQUEST, CITY COUNCIL HAS SUBMITTED A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO DISCUSS AND REVIEW THE REQUIREMENTS THAT BABY CHANGING STATIONS BE INSTALLED IN ALL NEW BUILDINGS WITH RESTROOM FACILITIES THAT OFFER PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS AND IN ALL EXISTING BUILDINGS, WHEN RESTROOM FACILITIES ARE ADDED OR ALTERED IN A MANNER THAT REQUIRES A BUILDING PERMIT.
UH, THIS IS THE, THE FORMAL REQUEST, UM, I'M NOT GONNA READ IT, UH, BUT, UH, THE BRIEF SUMMARY WAS, UH, THAT IN VERBATIM.
SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY, IF Y'ALL WANNA READ IT, LET ME KNOW, UH, OR I CAN MOVE FORWARD AT YOUR, AT YOUR LEISURE.
UM, SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE SAW IN THERE, UM, I, I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN LOOKING AT IT AS D S D STAFF, UM, ON STAKEHOLDERS IS THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, APPROACH, UH, TO REQUIRING THIS INTERIM CITY ORDINANCE.
UM, SO ONE THING WE LOOKED AT WAS, UM, KIND OF WHAT ARE THE MOST, THE, THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S REQUIRED INSIDE A BATHROOM THAT DOES REQUIRE A D S T PERMIT.
UH, SOME OF THOSE WOULD BE RESHOT RE SHEET ROCKING THE ENTIRE BATHROOM OR PORTIONS OF THE BATHROOM, NEW SINKS OR TOILET FIXTURES, ADD OR REPLACE PARTITIONS WITHIN THE RESTROOM, UH, NEW OUTLET LIGHT, OR REPLACE CONVENTIONAL FIXTURES WITH SENSOR CONTROLLED FIXTURES THAT REQUIRE HIGH VOLTAGE 120 VOLT AC OR ADDING AN EXHAUST FIN.
SO I KIND OF WENT TO, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING M E P TRAYS AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD WOULD REQUIRE A MINIMUM? SO WE JUST SO EVERYBODY KINDA UNDERSTANDS IF WE WENT THE ROUTE OF, OF ANY PERMIT POOL FOR A RESTROOM, UM, REQUIREMENT TO ADD THE, UH, BABY CHANGING STATIONS.
UH, WE ALSO DID SOME RESEARCH TO LOOK AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS,
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UM, MUNICIPALITIES, STATES AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SEE, UM, WHO ELSE HAS REQUIRED THIS VERY THROUGH ORDINANCE OR, UM, ANY TYPE OF LAW OR CODE AMENDMENTS.UM, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, DID HAVE ONE THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO FEDERAL BUILDINGS.
UH, SO I DIDN'T REALLY GO INTO THAT ONE TOO MUCH BECAUSE THAT, THAT WASN'T TOO APPLICABLE TO US.
UH, STATE OF CALIFORNIA DOES HAVE SOME, AND I CAN OPEN THESE UP AT, AT THE, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE'S REQUEST.
I CAN LINK TO THESE ANYTIME WE WANT TO KINDA LOOK AT 'EM AT AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS SOME THAT, UH, KIND OF GOES INTO DETAIL BOTH ON STATE BUILDINGS, MUNICIPALITY OWNED BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, AND THEN PUBLICLY OWNED BUILDINGS, I'M SORRY, UH, PRIVATELY OWNED BUILDINGS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
UH, STATE OF NEW YORK HAS A, UH, LAW REQUIRING THE BABY CHANGING STATIONS AND VARIOUS OCCUPANCY TYPES, UH, BOTH FOR, UH, STATE AND OWNED BUILDINGS, AND THEN ALSO THE, UH, PRIVATELY OWNED BUILDINGS.
CITY OF NEW YORK, UH, HAS A VERY SIMILAR ONE.
I THINK THE, I THINK THE PROCESS WITH CITY OF NEW YORK HAD THEIRS AND THE STATE KIND OF ADOPTED ONE THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR.
UM, CITY OF DALLAS, UM, WAS THE NEXT ONE.
UH, THERE'S ALSO ONE FROM NEW MEXICO.
I DIDN'T LINK TO THAT ONE JUST BECAUSE, UH, IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T SEEM AS APPLICABLE AS A LOT OF THE OTHER ONES.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF LANGUAGE IN THESE, IN THESE EXAMPLES THAT WE LOOKED AT AND KIND OF PULLED FROM, UH, MOSTLY SPECIFICALLY CITY OF DALLAS AND, UH, CITY OF NEW YORK.
JEREMY, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
IN YOUR REVIEWING OF THESE JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE A SIMILAR ADOPTION OF THIS, UH, BABY CHANGE IN STATIONS, DID IT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN NEW AND RENOVATED OR REMODELED INTO THE SAME LEVEL THAT, THAT YOU'RE DEFINING, LIKE RE SHEET ROCKING? IT DID.
UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, THAT ORIGINAL SLIDE WAS TO SAY IF WE WENT THE ROUTE OF ANY POOL PERMIT.
I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LEVEL COULD BE.
UH, BUT YES, ALL OF THESE DO HAVE, UH, SET REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SOME, UH, I BELIEVE THE NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA ONES HAD A $10,000 RENOVATION COST.
UM, AND THEN I, I, I'LL HAVE TO PULL UP THE DALLAS ONE TO GET THE SPECIFIC, UH, LANGUAGE THEY USE, BUT I THINK THEY USE ALTERATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BASED ON I E B C, ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN, UH, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS, IS ALL OF THOSE DEFINITIONS AS A POTENTIAL THAT YOU LISTED ON THE SLIDE PREVIOUSLY, DO NOT ADD ANY MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO MEET BOTH A D A OR TOSS TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS AND TO PUT IN A BABY CHANGING STATION.
AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN ON THAT, WHICH I GUESS AS US AS A SUBCOMMITTEE CAN MAKE THAT FULL RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW SOME OF THOSE OTHER JURISDICTIONS ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AND THAT WAS, UM, YEAH, THEY REALLY DON'T, UH, THEY, THEY BASED IT ON THAT.
SO WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO.
AND I, AND MY RECOMMENDATION AS WE TALK AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT, IT NEEDS TO HIT A CERTAIN CRITERIA TO MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING, UM, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS AND SUCH THAT DO NOT HAVE THE ROOM FOR IT.
AND WHEN THEY GET IN THERE, IF THEY GOTTA PULL IT, IT COULD BE VERY CATASTROPHIC FOR THEM TO TRY TO UPDATE SOMETHING TO MAKE IT MORE COST, JUST TO MAKE IT ALL A D A AND EVERYTHING ELSE FROM THERE.
SO THAT'S PART OF WHY I WANTED TO BE PART OF THIS COMMITTEE, WAS TO LOOK AT THAT, HOW CAN WE ONE, MAKE IT INVOLVED AND, AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN, BUT ALSO IN A WAY WHERE WE REALLY DON'T HURT OUR TAXPAYERS THAT MUCH TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE, YES, LET'S INCLUDE IT.
IF IT'S GONNA BE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO GET INTO AND IT'S GONNA CHANGE FROM A, YOU KNOW, 2000 OR $5,000 JOB TO A $25,000 JOB.
SO, UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I READ IN THERE, THAT THEY HAD SOME CLAUSES IN FROM THE NEW YORK, UH, DALLAS IS A NEW ONE.
THAT'S ONE WE ASKED WHEN WE WERE IN THE BOARD LAST WAS FIND WHAT THEY'VE DONE HERE IN TEXAS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO SEE IS WHAT WE CAN ADDRESS, UH, TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
ROBERT HANLEY, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T PUT A REQUIREMENT THAT WITHOUT, UH, DOING A MAJOR REMODEL OR ADDING ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE, UH, COMPROMISE THE TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS REQUIREMENTS IN RESTROOMS. CORRECT.
UM, SO, AND, AND WE HAVE CONSIDERED EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING, AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE, UH, PROVIDE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
WE, WE DEVIATED A LITTLE BIT FROM, UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT ONES THAT WE SAW IN REGARDS TO EXISTING.
UM, AND, BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE'LL PRESENT THAT TO Y'ALL AND WE CAN AMEND AS AS REQUESTED.
SO HERE IS OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, UH, DIAPER CHANGING STATIONS, EACH PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM SERVING GROUP, A GROUP M OCCUPANCY TYPE AREAS, HOSPITALS AND CITY OWNED BUILDINGS SHALL BE EQUIPPED WITH A MINIMUM OF ONE SAFE, SANITARY, AND CONVENIENT DIAPER CHANGING STATION UNDER THE FOLLOWING CIRCUMSTANCES.
UH, NEW BUILDING, ALL NEW BUILDINGS, PROVIDING AREAS WITH OCCUPANCY TYPE SPECIFIED AND HOSPITALS, UM, EXISTING BUILDINGS, ALL EXISTING BUILDINGS PROVIDING AREAS WITH OCCUPANCY TYPES, SPECIFIED AND HOSPITALS.
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CHANGES ARE MADE.A NEW RESTROOM IS BUILT, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF AN EXISTING RESTROOM IS INCREASED OR DECREASED.
THE NUMBER OF FIXTURES OF AN EXISTING RESTROOM IS INCREASED, ARE DECREASED.
UH, SO THAT KIND OF FINISHED THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UM, AND THEN MOVING INTO ALL SITTING OWNED BUILDINGS EXISTING AND NEW.
SO, UM, THE EXCEPTION THAT WE CREATED SO THAT THIS LANGUAGE KIND OF SAYS EVERY SINGLE RESTROOM HAS TO HAVE THAT, THE EXCEPTION THEN IS THEN THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE DIAPER CHANGING STATIONS DOES NOT APPLY TO A RESTROOM THAT CONTAINS CLEAR AND VISIBLE SIGNAGE INDICATING WHERE AN ALTERNATIVE RESTROOM WITH A DIAPER CHANGING STATION IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SAME BUILDING AND ON THE SAME FLOOR.
THE ALTERNATIVE RESTROOM MUST BE ONE THAT IS A AVAIL AVAILABLE TO INDIVIDUALS OF THE GENDER OF THE ORIGINAL RESTROOM.
UM, AND THEN DEFINITION WILL BE D DIAPER CHANGING STATION MEANS A DIAPER CHANGING STATION DECK TABLE, OR SIMILAR AMENITY THAT IS INTENDED FOR THE USE OF THE PUBLIC, BY THE PUBLIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF CHANGING DIAPERS ON CHILDREN AND WEIGHING UP TO 50 POUNDS.
UM, SO LET ME KIND OF BREAK THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK, UM, AND KINDA LET YOU, UH, THROUGH ALL OF THOSE.
AND THEN IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DURING THAT CONVERSATION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
AND THEN I'LL, UM, SINCE, UM, WE CAN KIND OF GO OVER, IF Y'ALL WANNA SEE SOME MORE OF THE PRESENTATION, WE CAN KIND OF GO FROM THERE OR IF WE WANNA OPEN UP THE, UH, DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD.
SO THE FIRST IS, UM, THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS WHAT WAS THE OCCUPANCY TYPES THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT? UM, AND ALL THE SIMILAR, UM, ADOPTIONS THAT WE SAW ASSEMBLY AND MERCANTILE WERE, WERE KIND OF THE, THE KEYS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SEE THE MOST PUBLIC USE, UM, OUT OF, YOU KNOW, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND NOT, UH, BUSINESSES OR RE RESIDENTIAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, WE KEPT IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT.
NOW WE SAY OCCUPANCY TYPE AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND OUR DISCUSSIONS, OUR CONCERNS WERE A HOTEL OR THAT HAS A RESTAURANT IN IT, YOU KNOW, SO TECHNICALLY THE, THE HOTEL, IT'S, IT'S THE BUILDING ITSELF IS A RES, IS A A R IS AN R ONE.
UM, BUT IT HAS AN ASSEMBLY SPACE TIED TO THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT EVERY FLOOR THAT HAS A PUBLIC RESTROOM HAS TO HAVE A, UM, SO A PAVING CHANGING STATION REQUIREMENT.
BUT ANY RESTROOM THAT'S SERVING THAT RESTAURANT AREA NEEDS TO.
SO ANYTHING THAT COULD BE USED AS AN ASSEMBLY SPACE LIKE THAT, UM, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS WHEN YOU HAVE AN ASSEMBLY SPACE ASSOCIATED WITH OTHER TYPES OF OCCUPANCIES, LIKE AN E E OCCUPANCY FOR, UM, FOR THEIR CAFETERIAS, CONFERENCE ROOMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
CONFERENCE ROOMS FOR LARGE, UH, BUSINESS OFFICE OFFICES AND STUFF.
BUT WE KINDA LOOKED AT THAT AS THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO TAILOR TO PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
UH, SO A LARGE CONFERENCE AREAS INSIDE BUSINESS OCCUPANCIES AREN'T TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AT INTERNALLY AS AN A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S STILL JUST OFFICE STAFF PERSONNEL OR ANYBODY THAT'S COMING IN FOR A CONFERENCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE KNEW THAT WAS KIND OF THE FINE LINE AND WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TOO MUCH LANGUAGE BUILT INTO THIS AND HAVE FOUR OR FIVE PAGES TELLING IT TOO MUCH.
UM, BUT THE, THE GOAL IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, OCCUPANCIES ARE TRULY AN A THAT'S GONNA BE USED BY FAMILIES AND WHAT OCCUPANCIES ARE TRULY AN A THAT'S GONNA BE USED BY BUSINESSES OR, UH, YOU KNOW, DEDICATED, UM, GROUPS THAT TYPICALLY WOULD NOT HAVE A BABY WITH THEM.
UM, THE HOSPITALS, UH, WE ADDED, WE DIDN'T WANNA SAY ALL I TWOS, UH, SO WE SPECIFIED HOSPITALS ONLY.
WE HAVE KIND OF RESEARCHED AND REACHED OUT TO, UH, SOME STAKEHOLDERS AND IT, I THINK THE HOSPITAL ONES ARE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
THEY, THEY SEEM TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUCH A SMALL NICHE AND, UM, THEY HAVE SUCH A LARGE FOOTPRINT, UM, WHEN WE SAY ONE PER FLOOR, UH, THAT HAS THE REQUIREMENT FOR A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THEY HAVE A VERY, VERY LARGE FOOTPRINT AND NOT TOO MANY FLOORS.
SO WE DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE TOO HIGH OF A BURDEN ON THE HOSPITAL SIDE OF THINGS.
AND, AND LIKE, LIKE I SAID, MOST OF THEM ARE ALREADY KIND OF TAKING CARE OF THAT AND, AND GONNA BE EXCEEDING THIS, UH, THIS REQUIRED ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THEN THE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS, UM, DURING OUR RESEARCH, AS I WAS SAYING, LIKE CALIFORNIA HAS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDINGS, UH, FOR THE STATE LEVEL.
THEY, EVEN THE STATE LEVEL REQUIRED CERTAIN THINGS FROM THE MUNICIPALITY LEVELS FOR EVERY SINGLE MUNICIPALITY IN THE, IN THE STATE, UH, CITY OF NEW YORK, CITY OF DALLAS, THEY ALL SPECIFY AT MUNICIPALITY OWNED BUILDINGS, UM, SPECIFICALLY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE OPERATIONS THAT REQUIRE CITIZENS TO COME IN AND INTERACT WITH, UH, CITY STAFF, THEN WE WANT TO BE ACCOMMODATING TO THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO THE GOAL IS THAT RETROACTIVELY WE WOULD BE DOING THAT SO THAT IT'S NOT A, UH, NEW OR EXISTING, IT'S, IT'S RETROACTIVE ON THAT AS THE INTENT OF THAT CODE.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, WE LOOKED AT KIND OF THE CONCERNS, NOT JUST ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
UM, SO ANYTIME THAT SOMEBODY TAKES AN AREA THAT IS NOT A BATHROOM AND, AND CHANGES IT INTO A BATHROOM, THERE'S CONSIDERABLE COST WITH THAT.
SO IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT OUT, I DON'T THINK ADDING A BABY CHANGING STATION OR THE, OR THE AREA REQUIRED, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WILL BE COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, ADDING THE PLUMBING, UH, AND ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
SO, AND, AND WE ASSUME THAT'S A FAIRLY RARE, UH, OCCURRENCE, UNLESS IT'S A SIGNIFICANT OVERHAUL THAT WOULD, WOULD MOVE IT INTO A FULL I B C APPROACH INSTEAD OF AN EXISTING I A B C TYPE APPROACH TO, UH, REMODELING OF A, OF AN AREA.
UM, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
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SO BOTH AN INCREASE OR A DECREASE THE STAFF'S INTENT OF THE DECREASES, IF YOU HAVE ROOM TO DECREASE AND TRY TO FIND ROOM FOR OTHER AREAS IN THE BUILDING TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE.WE KIND OF SAY, WELL, YOU, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ACCOMMODATING YOUR, YOUR, THE CITIZENS AS WELL.
SO IT'S LIKE, IF YOU HAVE THAT ROOM, THEN REALLY THE TOSS ISSUE SHOULD KIND OF GO AWAY 'CAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF YOUR BATHROOM.
THEN OF COURSE, WE WOULD SAY WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU CAN DO TO INCREASE IT TO ACCOMMODATE THE TOSS REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, ALSO THE FIXTURES.
UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THAT'S, UM, WE'RE NOT SAYING CHANGING A FIXTURE, IT'S MORE IF YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE A SINK OR ADD A SINK, YOU'RE GONNA BE POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, REARRANGING THE BA UH, THE BATHROOM IF, IF NOT SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN IS, UH, SOME TYPE OF OCCUPANCIES.
UH, I DON'T THINK ANY OF 'EM THAT HAVE LIKE A BATHROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR A SHOWER TYPE ASSEMBLY WOULD FALL UNDER THESE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT ANY, IF THERE IS, FOR SOME REASON WHEN THEY'RE GOING IN AND THEY'RE TAKING OUT A SHOWER AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A NEW STALL, IT'S LIKE, WELL, MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE THE BABY CHANGING STATION AS WELL.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE VERY NICHE SCENARIOS, UH, BUT I THINK IT COVERS THE INTENT OF TRYING TO GET THESE EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, BROUGHT INTO THE ORDINANCE AS WELL.
UM, NUMBER, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS, UH, THAT WE KIND OF BROUGHT UP THE EXCEPTION, ONCE AGAIN, THE, THE GOAL OF THAT IS WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING EVERY BATHROOM HAS TO HAVE THIS, BUT WE WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOAL IS REALLY ONE PER FLOOR FOR ALL GENDERS OR ALL, UM, CITIZENS.
SO IF IT'S A FAMILY CHANGING STATION, EVERYBODY HAS AN ACCESS TO THAT.
SO ALL THEIR BATHROOMS ON THAT FLOOR JUST NEEDS TO INDICATE GO HERE FOR THAT BABY CHANGING STATION.
UM, THEN IT'D JUST BE ONE PER FLOOR.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE DEFINITION, UM, THERE WAS KIND OF A, A CHANGE OF SOME OF THE VERBIAGE THAT PEOPLE USED ON THE, UH, CHILDREN WEIGHING VERSUS AGE.
SO SOME HAD THREE PLUS OR, UH, YEARS, UH, THREE YEARS OF AGE, AND A LOT OF 'EM SAID, AND THEN SOME OF 'EM SAID 50 POUNDS.
I DID A QUICK RE UH, SEARCH AND IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE, THE STATIONS ARE RATED FOR 50 POUNDS, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANNA, WE FIGURED IF IT'S 50 POUNDS AND THAT'S KIND OF THE STANDARD, UH, BABY CHANGING STATIONS WEIGHT LIMIT, THEN THAT JUST COINCIDED PRETTY GOOD.
UM, SO, UH, AT THAT POINT THAT KIND OF FOLLOWS UP OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
UM, ON THE PRESENTATION WE KIND OF HAVE THE TASKS.
UH, SO MOSTLY I ADDED THIS INFORMATION, SO IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE HAVE IT, UH, READILY ACCESSIBLE, I CAN PULL THAT UP.
I HAVE THE TASK REQUIREMENTS AND WE ALSO HAVE THE, UM, THE A D A REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THOSE LIKE, UM, SIZE OF RESTROOMS AND HOW THEY'RE ACCOMMODATED PER THE A D A REQUIREMENTS.
MS. GARCIA, YOU MENTIONED THE HOSPITALS.
WHERE DOES, UM, MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS AND CLINICS FALL INTO? SO WE AGREED, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE LARGER WAITING ROOMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE'VE HAD THAT INTERNAL DISCUSSION.
IT'S JUST THOSE ARE BUSINESS OCCUPANCIES.
UM, AND SO THEY, THEY DON'T FALL UNDER, MOST OF THOSE WILL NOT BE AN I TWO, THOSE WILL BE A B.
UM, AND IF WE GOT THE, THE GOAL WAS TO NOT BE TOO, UH, CODE RESTRICTIVE AND HAVE A LOT OF, UH, LANGUAGE ADDED DURING THIS, AT THIS EARLY STAGE.
UM, AND WE, SO IF WE SAID B OCCUPANCIES, THEN THAT JUST OPENED IT UP WAY TOO BIG.
AND THEN TO TRY TO BRING IT DOWN AND, AND SPECIFY CERTAIN TYPES.
UM, AND THEN NOT HAVING A GOOD TRUE CODE LANGUAGE TO SAY, THIS TYPE IS THAT, AND THIS TYPE IS THIS.
UM, THE GOAL WAS THIS FIRST ROUND TO KIND OF SAY, LET'S, LET'S CAPTURE THE A'S AND THE M'S AND THE HOSPITALS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE'VE HAD THIS, UM, IN THE SYSTEM FOR A FEW YEARS, THEN WE CAN KIND OF ADJUST AS NEEDED.
UH, AND THEN IF WE NEED TO START BRINGING IN SOME OF THESE OTHER TYPES OF OCCUPANCIES AND, AND FINDING GOOD CODE LANGUAGE FOR THAT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ADDING MULTIPLE PAGES AND ADDING A LOT OF VERBIAGE, UH, THAT'S THE KIND OF THE GOAL OF D S T.
UM, JEREMY, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN.
UM, THE, MY QUESTION IS, IS IN THIS ARTICLE WHERE YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE PER FLOOR, UH, HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT TO GIVING, WHETHER IT'S PRIVATELY OR PUBLICLY FACILITATED BUILDINGS, A SEPARATE BABY CHANGING ROOM? AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I'VE NOTICED MORE AND MORE, UH, UH, LARGE COMPANIES ARE PUTTING LACTATING ROOMS WHERE ALL IT HAS IS A PLACE FOR, UH, A MOTHER AND A HAND SINK IN A BABY CHANGING SCENARIO.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE OPERATIONAL FUNCTIONAL NEEDS OF THAT, THEY ARE JUST CHANGING THE, DOING A, A DIAPER CHANGE, THEY DON'T NEED THE, THE, THE URINAL OR, OR THE WATER CLOSET THAT'S IN THERE.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION IF SOMEBODY SAY, I WANT TO SET ASIDE THIS EMX AMOUNT OF SPACE AND DROPPING IN A HAND SINK IS A WHOLE LOT EASIER THAN PUTTING IN A, UH, WATER CLOSET OR A URINAL.
AND SO I'M JUST THINKING OF OTHER OPTIONS THAT THE CITY COULD PRESENT TO ADDRESS THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
UM, WE KINDA LOOKED AT IT AS WELL, BUT WE WERE, OUR CONCERN WAS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE THE SINKS AND WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, LOOK, WE DIDN'T REALLY DELVE INTO THE HEALTH SIDE OF IT AND WE WEREN'T SURE
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IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, OR THIS AVAILABILITY FOR SOMEBODY, WHAT ARE THE HEALTH REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, IS IT JUST A SYNC? IS IT MORE, WE DIDN'T WANNA OPEN IT TOO MUCH, BUT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THAT IS THE REQUEST, UM, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THE ALL WE CAN, THE INTENT I THINK WOULD BE YES, IF THEY MEET ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.AND D S D SAW THAT WE WOULD SAY, YEAH, THEY HAVE THAT, THEY HAVE THAT ACCESS.
UM, WE JUST WEREN'T SURE IF THAT WAS SUCH A SMALL NICHE, UH, OPPORTUNITY, UM, THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEEDED TO CODIFY IT.
BUT IF THAT'S THE REQUEST, THEN WE, I THINK WE CAN ADJUST THAT INTO THE EXCEPTION, YOU KNOW, SO VERSUS SAYING AN ALTERNATIVE RESTROOM, WE CAN SAY AN ALTERNATIVE OR RESTROOM OR APPROVED LOCATION, UH, THAT MEETS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, LIKE I SAID, THE BIG ISSUE WOULD BE THE HEALTH SIDE OF THINGS.
SO WE KNOW THE RESTROOMS HAVE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE GERMAN, THE GERM RESISTANT MATERIALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND IT'S KIND OF ALREADY PRE-BUILT INTO THAT.
SO WITHOUT HAVING TO REWRITE ALL THAT, UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER.
BRIAN SMITH, I, I, I LIKE THE IDEA.
I THINK FOR ROUND ONE THOUGH, WE HAD TO TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, AND THEN AS WE GET IN THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE, WE CAN TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
KINDA LIKE WHAT JEREMY WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.
UM, Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB SO FAR, AS FAR AS LOOKING IN HERE, I JUST SEEING A, A FEW OF THE THINGS IN HERE, I, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
THE, THE DECREASE SIDE I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHEN WE INCREASE, WHEN WE'RE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR FIXTURES, THEN YES, IT, IT SHOULD MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
MY CONCERN IS A SMALL THING FROM LIKE, FROM A FIXTURE.
MAYBE THEY HAD A TROUGH WHERE THEY'RE DOING AND THEY WANT TO DO URINALS.
I'M NOT REALLY CHANGING THAT BATHROOM.
SO MY THOUGHT ON HERE WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE DECREASE AND THEN ALSO TO HAVE WHETHER A $6,000 OR $10,000 SIMILAR TO WHAT NEW YORK AND THOSE, SO WHEN YOU'RE DOING A SMALL JOB, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S JUST DOING A LITTLE BIT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ONEROUS ON, ON THE PARTICULAR STAKEHOLDERS.
BUT OVERALL, THIS MEETS THE INTENT OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING PEOPLE INVOLVED.
MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN IS ALL CITY OWNED BUILDINGS EXISTING AND NEW.
SO AN EXAMPLE IS LIKE THE MEN'S RESTROOM HERE.
UM, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT A BIG DISTINCTION? THERE'S ONE CURRENTLY.
YEAH, SO, BUT IT'S JUST THINGS LIKE THAT, JUST MAKING SURE SOME OF THESE OLDER BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE CITY OWNED, DO WE HAVE THE ROOM TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? UM, I'M NOT SURE.
I DON'T KNOW THE, THE, EXACTLY, YEAH.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT WITH THAT ONE IS TO FOLLOW, UM, THE OTHER ONES, AND IT IS KIND OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, MY APPROACH WAS WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER TYPE THING.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IF, IF THE CITY'S PUSH IS TO, UM, REQUIRE THESE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WE NEED TO BE KIND OF FULFILLING THAT FOR OUR CITIZENS IN THE, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S THE NUMBER OF OFFICES THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND, AND, AND KIND OF THAT STANDARD APPROACH LIKEABILITY COURT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BRIAN SMITH AGAIN, SO ALL CITY OWNED BUILDINGS EXISTING AND NEW WOULD STILL MEET THE SAME CRITERIA IF A NEW RESTROOM WAS BUILT OR IF IT WAS NEW OR IF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE NUMBER OF FIXTURES WERE CHANGED, THEN THAT WOULD MEET IT.
BUT OTHERWISE IT WOULD NOT ADDED OR ME UNDERSTANDING.
I MEAN, CURRENTLY THIS, THE, THE INTENT OF THIS WOULD BE THOUGH IT NEEDS TO BE RETROACTIVE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMED LIKE TO ME.
SO THAT'S, I WAS WONDERING, SO CORRECT.
UM, AND THERE'S QUITE A LOT OF CITY OWNED PLACES, AND WITHOUT AN INVESTIGATION DONE ON WHAT IS OR ISN'T AND HOW THAT WOULD BE, IT, IT COULD BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
UH, BUT ALSO WE WANT TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT JUST CITY OWNED, IT'S CITY OWNED WITH PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
SO THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE NOT PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
SO THE, THE INTENT IS CITY OWNED BUILDINGS WHERE YOU'RE INTERACTING WITH THE PUBLIC VERSUS, UH, CITY OWNED BUILDING WHERE IT'S MAINLY OFFICE AND ADMINISTRATIVE THAT MAYBE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T NEED TO GO THERE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC MIGHT GO INTO THAT OCCASIONALLY, BUT IT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THAT, OF THAT FACILITY.
SORT OF LIKE OUR RESTROOMS, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE UPSTAIRS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE WOULDN'T INSTALL 'EM HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESTROOMS UP HERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT ARE REALLY PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
BRIAN SMITH, I, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD DEFINE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC STILL GOES UP THERE WHEN WE HAVE TO REVIEW.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PUBLIC DOES GO UP THE UPSTAIRS AND THAT INTENT, SINCE IT IS ACCESSIBLE, THEN IT WOULD MEET WHAT THAT'S SAYING.
WE MAY NEED TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PROTECT THAT FROM, YOU KNOW, BEING AWARE WHETHER IT MAY BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, CERTAIN OCCUPANCY, UM, THAT KIND OF THING.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING IF THAT GOES BACK INTO THE, THE, THE OCCUPANCY DESCRIPTION WHERE I GUESS CERTAIN CITY BUILDINGS MIGHT BE A GROUP, A BUSINESS TYPE OCCUPANCY VERSUS AN ASSEMBLY.
BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN GET WORKED OUT, MAKE SURE IT DOES THAT.
UM, AND I AGREE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE, IF YOU'RE DECREASING SQUARE FOOTAGE, DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING ON? SO OUR THOUGHT WITH THAT ONE IS KIND OF THE, I HAVE A LARGE RESTROOM, I WANNA KNOCK OUT SOME OF IT.
I DON'T NEED TO UTILIZE THAT AS MUCH ANYMORE AND OPEN THAT UP FOR OTHER USABLE SPACE.
AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY DOES THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S
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KIND OF LIKE, WELL, YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND YOU WANNA HAVE SOME MORE USABLE SPACE, BUT OUR GOAL IS FOR YOU TO HAVE A BABY CHANGING STATION.SO IF YOU REDUCE IT AND NOW YOU DON'T, YOU'RE, YOU HAD ROOM, IF YOU HAD ROOM TO REDUCE, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE A WAY TO REMOVE A STALL OR DO SOMETHING TO ADD THE TEETH.
SO BRIAN SMITH, SO THE REASON I, I, I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE WHERE WE'VE JUST, UH, CHANGED A BATHROOM A LITTLE BIT.
IT HAD LIKE A UTILITY SINK THAT WAS ACCESSIBLE IN THE BATHROOM.
WE CHANGED IT SO THEY HAVE ACCESSIBILITY FROM THE HALLWAY AND IT REDUCED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THAT BATHROOM A LITTLE BIT.
BUT IT WAS MORE FOR, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO USE IT IN A MORE PROPER WAY, UH, FROM A CLOSET STANDPOINT TO MAKE IT A TRUE UTILITY.
THAT WOULD'VE MEAN I WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THAT BATHROOM COMPLETELY.
SO THAT'S WHERE I GET CONCERNED.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT DO COME UP THAT, THAT MEET THAT CRITERIA THAT COULD BE HARMFUL.
YEAH, I MEAN, ROBERT HANLEY AND JEREMY, I'M JUST, I THINK THAT WHAT, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRMAN BRIAN IS TALKING ABOUT IS WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE SOME PROVISION OR SOME LANGUAGE FOR AN APPEAL.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S BUILT IN, I MEAN, THAT IT'S, WELL IF IT GOES UNDER THIS, UH, THE CHAPTER 10, THEN ANY THAT WOULD, THE REQUIREMENT TO INSTALL IT WOULD BE A, A BUILDING OFFICIAL REQUIREMENT OR A DECISION TO INSTALL IT, AND THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY APPEALABLE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT IT WITH THIS NEW LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE GONNA DO, IS TO LET THEM KNOW, YOU KNOW, ON EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO UPGRADE WITH THE DIAPER CHANGING STATION, THAT THERE IS AN APPEALS PROCESS, UM, CORRECT.
UNDERSTOOD THAT THE CITY ALWAYS HAS APPEALS PROCESS AND YOU JUST, SOMEBODY WHO JUST READS THAT IT'S SOMETHING NEW AND THEY GO, OH MAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW, IF I CAN DO THIS.
WELL JUST REMIND 'EM THERE IS APPEALS PROCESS.
INSTEAD OF GOING, OH, WAIT A MINUTE, I THINK I KNOW THAT THERE'S AN APPEALS PROCESS IN THE CITY SOMEWHERE.
AND, AND YOU'RE CORRECT IN THE FIRST, FIRST PHASE OF THIS WOULD BE A CITY ORDINANCE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE CODIFIED INTO THE ICOS IN CHAPTER 10.
THE INTENT WOULD BE, IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD, UH, WE WOULD THEN CODIFY IT INTO, UH, THE I P C CHAPTER FOUR, UH, AS KIND OF OUR CURRENT APPROACH TO IT.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
WE CAN ADD THE, THE LANGUAGE OF, UH, WHAT'S TYPICAL IN CHAPTER 10, UH, TO THIS ORDINANCE AS WELL, MAX HALLS FORWARD.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A BUILDING OWNER.
UM, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM BUILDING OWNERS ON EXISTING BUILDINGS.
NOW, NEW BUILDINGS, I UNDERSTAND TOTALLY, YOU CAN WORK THAT INTO THE, IN, IN, INTO THE COMPLETE PROCESS WITHOUT ANY ISSUES.
BUT SOME OF THESE OLDER BUILDINGS, EXISTING BUILDINGS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND RECONFIGURE THE BATHROOM JUST A LITTLE BIT IN ORDER TO PUT A BABY CHANGING STATION.
AND BASED ON THE GENERAL LANGUAGE THAT I SEE, I HAVE TO HAVE ONE IN MY BUILDING ON EVERY FLOOR.
UM, I RESPECT THAT, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A PUBLIC BUILDING AND WE HAVE PUBLIC RESTROOMS ON A GROUND LEVEL THAT I WOULD PREFER TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT IN EXISTING BUILDINGS, I'M CONFORMING TO THE ORDINANCE THROUGH A PUBLIC RESTROOM FACILITY THAT'S ON THE FLOOR, VERSUS BEING FORCED TO PUT BABY CHANGING STATIONS ON EVERY FLOOR.
WHEN I KNOW THAT BEING IN THE BUILDING THREE YEARS, I NEVER SEE A BABY COME INTO THE, IN, UH, ONTO THOSE FLOORS.
IF THERE'S A LADY WITH A BABY THAT COMES IN, SHE'S GOING INTO THE MATINEE CAFE DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEVEL MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
SO I, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PUSHBACK FROM, FROM OWNERSHIP, UH, PERMITS.
I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE DOING RE RENOVATIONS, UH, DEPENDING ON THE DOLLAR VALUE THAT WE PUT INTO THE PERMIT PROCESS, THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, A FULL FLOOR TENANT IS REQUIRED IN EXISTING BUILDINGS TO PUT IN A, A BABY CHANGING STATION IN THEIR RESTROOMS. 'CAUSE NINE TIMES OUTTA 10, WHEN YOU BUILD OUT THE FULL FLOOR, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RESTROOMS WITHIN THEIR SPACE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S ONE WAY THAT YOU CAN GAIN SOME FOOTAGE IN SOME OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MORE OF A, UH, IN, IN A, UH, COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT DOES NOT HAVE, UM, UH, FAMILY ATMOSPHERE, UH, CONCEPTS BUILT INSIDE THAT BUILDING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, NOT FORCING A, UH, CHANGING STATION ON EVERY FLOOR, BUT AT LEAST HAVE A DESIGNATED LOCATION AND PROPER SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING FOR THAT.
ACTUALLY, I MEAN, A BUILDING OFFICE SHOULD NOT HAVE IT.
UH, THE INTENT IS NOT TO HAVE IT INSIDE AN OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, WHAT, WHAT IF YOU HAVE A CAFE OR AN ASSEMBLY TYPE RESTAURANT THAT'S KIND OF OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THEY COME IN AND OUT, THAT AREA WOULD REQUIRE, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE RETROACTIVE TO ALL THE BUILDING.
IT WOULD JUST BE WHATEVER RESTROOM SUPPLYING THAT, UH, LOCATION.
SO IF IT'S A POP-IN TYPE RESTAURANT, THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T EVEN REQUIRE A RESTROOM PER THE I P C BECAUSE OF,
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OF THE, THE OCCUPANCY THAT COMES IN AND THE WAIT TIMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.SOME OF THESE DON'T EVEN REQUIRE A RESTROOM, SO THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR IT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THE GOAL WOULD BE NOT TO RETROACTIVELY, AND ONCE AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGES MADE TO THE BUILDING BEFORE AND IT WOULDN'T BE RETROACTIVE ACROSS THE WHOLE BUILDING.
SO WE CHANGE ONE BATHROOM DOESN'T RETROACTIVE VIDEO ACROSS EVERYWHERE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT BRIAN SMITH IS LIKE A, WITH YOUR BUILDING, IF YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO IT, THEN YOU'RE FINE AT THE MOMENT.
IF YOU MADE A CHANGE, YOU ADD SQUARE FOOTAGES OR YOU ADDED FIXTURES.
UM, AND MY RECOMMENDATION TOO IS IF IT'S A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT, THEN YES, YOU'RE REQUIRED.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU BE IN COMPLIANCE.
ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN, UM, BRIAN, IF WE PUT A CAP ON THE COST, CORRECT, YEAH.
WHICH IS CURRENTLY NOT IN PROPOSED LANGUAGE, IT'S NOT PROPOSED.
I ADDED, THIS IS IIN THOMAS, UH, THE WAY WE WROTE THIS, UH, BASICALLY FOR BUSINESS OCCUPANCY BUILDINGS, MULTI LIKE HIGH-RISE OR MID-RISE BUILDINGS, AS JEREMY SAID, IF THERE IS A RESTAURANT OR WHATEVER OR CAFE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND YOU MODIFY THAT BATHROOM, IF THERE WAS ONE, THEN THIS KICKS IN.
BUT IF YOU MODIFY ANY OF THE RESTROOMS ON THE TOP FLOORS, THIS WILL NOT KICK IN AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S B OCCUPANCY.
UM, AND GOING BACK TO THE, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNT, I MEAN, AND WE'RE, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT OF A LOT OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE DONE AND WE AGREED THAT THAT IS GREAT, A VERY VIABLE APPROACH.
UM, IT WAS MORE JUST LOOKING AT IT, IT JUST WASN'T ANYTHING THAT IS KIND OF AN APPROACH THAT SAN ANTONIO HAS DONE BEFORE.
BUT, UM, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS LIKE A, I MEAN I, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND HOW WE APPROACH THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, IF IT'S LIKE JUST HIGH-END FIXTURES AND THAT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EASILY COME IN THERE AND CHANGE OUT SOME FIXTURES.
I DON'T KNOW THE PRICE POINT OF SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT AT $10,000, SO, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE YOU ON THE BOARD, RIGHT,
SO THAT'S, THAT IS DEFINITELY ANOTHER OPTION WE CAN LOOK AT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF IS READY.
FLEXIBILITY, COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
ONE THING, UM, AT SOME POINT THIS WILL GO BEFORE COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION.
ARE WE GONNA ALSO ADD LANGUAGE TO SAY WHEN THIS KICKS INTO EFFECT LIKE SO MANY DAYS? THAT WAY IF SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING IN DESIGN, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO GO BACK AND, YOU KNOW, REDO SOMETHING OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT IS CURRENTLY KIND OF THE, THE TYPICAL APPROACH WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ORDINANCE AND CODES AND, UH, BUILDINGS, UH, TRYING TO HAVE THAT.
UM, BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND I MIGHT HAVE TO, UM, LOOK AT A MEAN TO, TO ANSWER A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT SINCE THIS IS KIND OF A CODE REQUEST, REALLY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, THEY JUST ASKED US IF WE DID THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE LANGUAGE BE? SO, WE'LL, JUST THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE THIS.
AND WE CAN ADD THAT OF COURSE TO IT AS WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UM, BASED, YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS, 180 DAYS, I THINK, UH, DALLAS HAD 180 DAY ONE OUT THERE, UH, TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN ADD.
BUT ULTIMATELY SINCE THIS WOULD BE KIND OF A CITY COUNCIL ORDINANCE ONE, IT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHEN WE'RE ADOPTING THE CODES AND, AND GOING THROUGH A A U D C CHANGE.
BUT WE CAN ADD THAT RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.
UH, JEREMY, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN.
UH, THE, UH, DOESN'T THE CITY ALREADY HAVE SOME PROVISION, UH, WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN FOR REMODEL OF A BUILDING THAT IT'S A DOLLAR VALUE IF IT COSTS MORE THAN 25% OR WHATEVER IT IS? IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE AND I, I I THINK MAYBE, UH, T D L R IN THEIR TOSS STANDARDS, WHEN DO YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE TO MEET 50,000? 50 50,000? SO WE HAVE SOME HISTORY HERE ON THAT LANGUAGE, AND I THINK, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A FLAT NUMBER, BRIAN, OR WHETHER IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL PROJECT THAT WOULD REQUIRE KICK THAT IN, BUT WE NEED TO JUST KEEP THAT, THAT IN MIND.
QUALITIES OR PERCENTAGE? WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PERCENTAGES? WELL, AN EXAMPLE LIKE ALAMO HEIGHTS AND, AND TERRELL HILLS, IF YOU HIT OVER 50% THAT YOU'RE REMODELING IT, IT HITS IN THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK TO BRING THE EXISTING PARTS UP TO CODE.
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THAT NOT THE I E B C LANGUAGE FOR JUST VARIOUS LEVELS OF ALTERATION? I WASN'T SURE IF THERE'S ALSO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING IN RE IN REGARDS TO REQUIREMENTS FROM TOSSNOW THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL, UM, I, I CALL RESIDENTIAL, BUT I MEAN REALLY COMMERCIAL STUFF, BUT, UM, IT'S MORE MEETING SOME OF THE I R C CODES INSTEAD OF THE U B C.
UM, ONE OTHER THOUGHT, MOVING BACK TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS WE WOULD, IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, WE WOULD HAVE TO KINDA LOOK AT HOW DO WE DIS, DIS RETAIN IF IT'S, IF IT'S MULT, IF IT'S MULTIPLE AREAS, IF IT'S NOT JUST A BATH BATHROOM RENOVATION, IF IT'S A RENOVATION OF AREAS, HOW DO WE GET THAT INFORMATION TO VERIFY THAT IT'S $10,000 SPECIFICALLY TO A RESTROOM VERSUS, UM, AND, AND IT, IT AGREED THE EXISTING ONE IS THE CHALLENGE.
I MEAN, WE ALSO KNOW IF THERE ONLY MAKING CHANGES TO A CERTAIN GENDER, HOW DOES THAT RETROACTIVELY AFFECT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY? IS IT NOW JUST SAYING, OKAY, THAT ONE, THAT ONE GENDER THAT'S BEING AFFECTED NOW IS THE ONLY ONE THAT REQUIRES THAT? I THINK THE CODE LANGUAGE SAYS YES, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE, THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET EVERYTHING UP TO THAT, BUT IT ALL KIND OF, JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THEY APPROACH IT ON THE EXISTING BRIAN SMITH.
IT WOULD, UM, MAYBE A GOOD, UM, COMPROMISE INTO IT WOULD BE IF YOU, AND WE WENT LESS THAN THE 10,000, WHAT NEW YORK'S DOING, MAYBE IT'S MORE LIKE A FIVE OR 6,000.
THEY'RE ON AN HONOR SYSTEM, BUT YOU CAN STILL TELL IF THEY'RE DOING A MAJOR THING THAT'S NOT MEETING IT AND THE CODE OFFICIAL HAS THE, UM, UM, PREROGATIVE TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT ACCEPT IT AS TRUE NUMBERS.
UM, BUT IT DOES KEEP IT EFFICIEN YOU CAN TELL IT'S, IT IS JUST A SMALL PROJECT.
AGAIN, TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT UTILITY SINK AREA FROM THE BATHROOM TO A HALLWAY, THAT WOULD BE UNDER FIVE GRAND.
IF I'M RETRENCHING COMMODES MOVING THEM AROUND OR DOING THAT KIND OF STUFF, WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THAT FIVE GRAND.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT MEETING THAT INTENT.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DATA.
UH, WE WOULD'VE TO REACH OUT TO THE STAKEHOLDERS OF, OF WHAT, WHAT RANGES WE LOOK AT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE IN REGARDS TO SPECIFIC RENOVATIONS OF A AND M TYPE OCCUPANCIES OF JUST THE BATHROOMS TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME, SOME VALID AND NOT JUST A NUMBER.
RIGHT? BUT YOU KNOW, THIS EARLY IN THE STAGE, IF THAT'S THE APPROACH WE HAVE TO TAKE, THEN THAT MIGHT BE THE APPROACH AS WELL.
AND IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, CHRIS? I I WAS JUST WONDERING, WHERE DOES THE HOTEL LOBBIES, YOU KNOW, THAT FIRST FLOOR AREA, WHERE DOES THAT FALL INTO? I MEAN, TYPICAL HOTEL LOBBY WOULD BE AN R ONE.
UM, BUT IF IT HAS A RESTAURANT, THEN THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD KIND OF, WE KIND OF HAVE AN OOC AN OCCUPANCY.
TYPICALLY A LOT OF THEM EVEN STILL HAVE THE CONFERENCE AREAS, SO, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO GO THE ROUTE OF, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE KIND OF A CASE BY CASE BASIS THAT STAFF LOOKS AT.
BUT WITH THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE AND THIS TYPE OF APPROACH, I MEAN, WE DO KNOW IT'S GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF CONFERENCE AREA IS IT? UM, WHAT'S THE APPROACH OF, OF THAT CONFERENCE? SO IF IT'S A RESTAURANT ATTACHED TO IT OR IF THERE'S A CONFERENCE ATTACHED TO IT, THEN AUTOMATICALLY THERE'LL BE AN ASSEMBLY AS A SYSTEM ATTACHED TO THAT AREA.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE A RESTROOM THAT SUPPLIES THAT.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE HOTEL LOBBIES.
BUT A, A STANDARD HOTEL THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESTAURANTS OR ANY TYPE OF CONFERENCE AREA AUTOMATICALLY WOULD JUST BE AN R ONE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT.
UH, I DON'T THINK THE CITY CAN ENFORCE, UM, IF WE PUT CERTAIN VALUE.
SO LET'S SAY WE FI WE SAY FIVE K, 10 K, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, WE CAN, IF THEY APPLY FOR MODIFICATION ONLY FOR THE RESTROOM, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY COME AND THEY GONNA MODIFY THE RESTROOM, THEY GONNA MODIFY WHATEVER IN THE HALLWAY, THIS, THAT, THE OTHER, THE WHOLE PROJECT IS MORE THAN 5,000, MIGHT BE 60,000, 70,000.
BUT REALLY THE BATHROOM PORTION MIGHT BE EXACTLY THE EXAMPLE YOU SAID, WHICH COST ONLY TWO 3000.
SO NOW YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO UPGRADE THE BATHROOM BY A ADDING THE BABY CHANGING TABLE JUST BECAUSE THEY DID THREE MODELS IN THE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SUBMIT, IF WE GONNA PUT VALUE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK THEM TO PULL TWO PERMITS, ONE FOR THE BATHROOM AND ONE FOR OUR RESTROOM AND ONE FOR THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
BRIAN SMITH, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE LANGUAGE OF DECREASED.
UH, I THINK IF WE STICK WITH JUST THE INCREASE, UM, I THINK WE'RE HITTING THE INTENT TO WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION FIRST IF I CAN GET A SECOND.
ROBERT HANLEY SECOND DISCUSSION.
UM, SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FROM BOTH B AND C? THAT IS CORRECT.
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AYE.ANY NEGATIVE? WE HAVE FOUR POSITIVES ON THAT.
UH, WHEN WE REMOVE THE DECREASE, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
UH, IF YOU WANNA PUT SOME VALUE ON THIS, DO YOU WANNA SAY IF THE AREA'S INCREASED BY 50 SQUARE FOOT, LIKE DO YOU WANNA PUT CERTAIN SIZE? SO IF I GONNA EXPAND MY BATHROOM ONLY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE UH, A HALLWAY AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL ALCOVE AND THEN THE BATHROOM, AND NOW I DECIDED TO JUST MOVE THE DOOR UP FRONT.
ARE WE GONNA ASK FOR THE BABY STATION? SO DO WE WANNA PUT CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE? UH, ROBERT HANLEY, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOSS STANDARDS, YOU CAN DETERMINE HOW MANY SQUARE FOOT THAT THAT IS.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE A BABY STATION CHANGING STA DIAPER CHANGING STATION, UH, IN A OPEN OR CLOSED POSITION.
AND THE CLEARANCES YOU HAVE, SO IF YOU TAKE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE AND SAY IF YOU INCREASE YOUR, UH, BATHROOM REMODEL OVER THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE DIAPER CHANGING STATION.
WHAT IS, SO THIS IS THE A D A, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE ON THE A D A.
UH, I KNOW TOSSING A D A ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND I, I'M NOT TOO VERSED IN EITHER, BUT THIS IS THE MORE EASILY READ A TO READ.
BUT WE CAN ALSO GO BACK TO THE TOSS ONE.
I'M NOT SURE IF, IF WE AT THIS POINT CAN KIND OF PUT A NUMBER ON IT, BUT WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THAT AND DO SOME RESEARCH AND, AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
IT'S BASICALLY 10 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE IT'S TWO AND A HALF BY FOUR.
YEAH, YOU GUYS DISCUSS IT AND IF YOU WANNA MAKE RECOMMENDATION, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
ROBERT HANLEY, I, I MOVE THAT WE PUT THE REQUIREMENT ON THE, UM, INCREASE THAT THE DIAPER CHANGE IN THE STATION WILL BE REQUIRED IF YOU INCREASE THE EXISTING, UH, RESTROOM OR TOILET ROOM FACILITY BY 20 SQUARE FEET OR MORE.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
UM, YOU WANT COME UP, COME FORWARD.
SO WHAT'S YOUR NAME? PLEASE LET US KNOW YOUR NAME AND SPEAK UP TO THE MIC PLEASE.
JAVIER CASTRO, ARCHITECT WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, JUST ONE OF THE, JUST QUICK THOUGHT ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AMOUNT.
UM, I THINK THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WAS INDICATED OF 20 SQUARE FEET IS JUST FOR THE DIAPER CHANGING STATION.
UM, BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR, UH, APPROACH AND FROM AN ACCESSIBILITY STANDPOINT.
SO I'M RECOMMENDING 50, I'M RECOMMENDING 50 SQUARE FEET.
YOU HAVE A SIX RADI, BRIAN SMITH 60 INCH RADIUS, SO FIVE BY FIVE IN FRONT OF IT, IN FRONT OF.
SO THAT'S 25 SQUARE FOOT APPROXIMATELY WITH THE 12 SQUARE FOOT WHERE WE DID 20.
SO I CONCUR WITH THE 50 SQUARE FEET.
ANY OF THE COMMENTS? YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE HEARTBURN ABOUT THAT.
UH, I THOUGHT WHEN WE INCREASED IT FROM 10 SQUARE FEET TO, UH, 20 SQUARE FEET, THAT CHANGED THE, FROM A, UH, FOUR BY TWO AND A HALF TO A FOUR BY FIVE.
SO ALLS WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS ADDING ANOTHER FOOT.
SO I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY HEARTBURN, IF THAT'S THE PLEASURE.
DO YOU MIND MODIFYING YOUR RECOMMENDATION? WE VOTED ON? OKAY, I'LL MODIFY MY RECOMMENDATION.
UH, I RECOMMEND THAT WE INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BEFORE THE REQUIREMENT FOR DIAPER CHANGING STATION TO BE 50 SQUARE FEET, UH, OF, UH, AN ADDITIONAL 50 SQUARE FOOT ADDED TO THE EXISTING RESTROOM FACILITY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? MAXWELL FORWARD SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? I SUPPORT THE, UH, RECONSIDERATION OR NEW MOTION AS SO JUST TO MAKE IT PROPER
SO 50 SQUARE FEET NEEDS TO BE DONE PRIOR FOR THIS TAKING EFFECT FOR ON THE RESTROOM.
UM, SO JUST TO CLEAR UP ON THE ITEM B, SUBCATEGORY B AND C, WE'RE LOOKING AT REMOVING THE WORDS DECREASE ON BOTH B AND C AND CHANGING SQUARE FOOTAGE OF AN EXISTING RESTROOM IS INCREASED BY 50 SQUARE FEET FOOT OR MORE.
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DISCUSSION ON THE FIXTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT? BRIAN SMITH? SO, UM, I THINK THE LAST POINT WE NEED TO REALLY KIND OF REACH IS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CITY OWNED BILLINGS EXISTING, NOT SO MUCH NEW BUT EXISTING.DO WE HAVE TO DO ANY KINDA LANGUAGE ON SAME KIND OF THING, SQUARE FOOTAGE ADDED OR 'CAUSE THERE MAY BE IF WE'RE, 'CAUSE WE'RE MAKING THIS RETROACTIVE SO IT CORRECT FOR THAT, THAT IS KIND THE INTENT, CORRECT? THAT'S THE INTENT THERE.
SO A LOT OF THESE OLD BUILDINGS OR SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IT'S KINDA LIKE WHAT MAX WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU DO? UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY DI IDEAS? I MEAN, THE, THE WAY THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN IS AT THE BEGINNING IT TALKS ABOUT GROUP A, GROUP A AND CITY ON BUILDINGS NEED TO HAVE THE BABY STATION IN EVERY BATHROOM, EVERY LEVEL.
THEN THE EXCEPTIONS ARE WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
SO BASICALLY THE SAME EXCEPTION THAT APPLIES TO A AND M OCCUPANCIES, REGARDLESS IF IT'S CITY OWNED OR NOT, APPLIES TO THE CITY.
SO IF WE DO MODIFICATION AND INCREASE THE BATHROOM BY MORE THAN 50, 50 FOOT OR MORE SQUARE FOOT, THEN WE NEED TO ADD THE, THE STATION.
UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE, THE LANGUAGE.
SO ITEM B IS THE ONLY ONE THAT ADDRESSES EXISTING BUILDINGS AND IT SPECIFIES A AND M AND HOSPITALS AND NOT CITY OWNED BUILDINGS.
SO WHAT I WOULD DO IS, SO ULTIMATELY I WOULD JUST GET RID OF, UH, SECTION C, MOVE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS TO SECTION B AND THEN HAVE THAT, UH, HAVE THE SAME RETROACTIVE REQUIREMENTS AS THE OTHER ONES.
DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT OR DO YOU, CAN WE JUST CHANGE THAT? I MEAN, IF Y'ALL WANT TO JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S FINE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, SO WE CAN MAKE CHANGE BRIAN SMITH, UH, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE.
I, I THINK THE REST OF THE LANGUAGE I'M GOOD WITH ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, YEAH, I HAVE A COMMENT.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REQUIRING A MINIMUM ONE SAFE, MAYBE CHANGING STATION, IS THAT CORRECT? PER FLOOR.
PER FLOOR AND OPEN TO ALL, UH, CITIZENS.
WHERE'S THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE ALL GENDERS? SO THAT WOULD BE, SO THE, THE CODE READS THAT EVERY RESTROOM HAS TO HAVE IT AND THEN SO, UM, AND THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEEDED IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
SO THE EXCEPTIONS WHAT ALLOWS YOU TO GO TO JUST ONE PER FLOOR AND IT, WHAT THAT THEN SAYS IS WHATEVER RESTROOM WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR THAT GENDER NEEDS TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
SO IF YOU GO TO A, A FEMALE RESTROOM AND ALL YOU HAVE IS A SIGN, IT SAYS GO HERE, IT NEEDS TO BE EITHER A FEMALE RESTROOM OR A UNISEX RESTROOM OR A FAMILY CHANGING STATION OR, AND WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT ADDING THE LANGUAGE OF, OF A, AN APPROVED LOCATION.
UM, IF WE WANNA LOOK AT THAT NOW, OR I THINK, NO, I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT EARLIER TO KIND OF TABLE THAT ONE UNTIL WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO KIND OF SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT AND STUFF.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S ALSO AN OPTION, YOU KNOW, C M R OR A BOARD APPEALS TO SAY, I'M GONNA BUILD, I'M GONNA ADD THIS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO I'M NOT SURE DEFINITION OF A RESTROOM, DOES THAT HAVE TO HAVE A TOILET FIXTURE OR IS THERE CERTAIN IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST A SINK WOULD BE CONSIDERED A RESTROOM? AND I'LL ASK THAT YOU COME UP IF YOU HAVE ANY.
SO IF, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH THAT IDEA OF I'M GONNA HAVE A SINK, I'M GONNA HAVE ALL OF THE KIND OF THE HEALTH CODES AND THE RIGHT TYPE OF MATERIALS IN THIS ROOM, THEY COULD CLASSIFY THAT AS A RESTROOM WITHOUT A TOILET AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A SINK.
AND WE, I MEAN I THINK THAT WOULD WORK FOR THIS, THIS ROBERT HANLEY.
I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT, AND UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS LATER, IT'S A SEPARATE ROOM.
UM, ARE WE GETTING HUNG UP WITH THE WORD RESTROOM AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE DIAPER CHANGING STATION? AND IF WE IDENTIFY IT AS A DESIGNATED FACILITY AND OR A RESTROOM, MAYBE THAT WORKS BETTER.
THE CONCERN WITH THAT WAS HOW DO WE VERIFY THAT THAT DESIGNATED AREA MEETS ALL THE OTHER, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF A RESTROOM HAVING THE GERM, UH, REPELLENT, UH, MATERIALS INSIDE OF IT AND, UH, THE, THE SINK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHERE I THINK, YOU KNOW, GERM REPELLENT AND MATERIALS JUST TILE, I MEAN YOU GET TILES, YOU GOT IMPERVIOUS COVERED COUNTERTOPS AND LABORATORIES AND WAINSCOATING UP TO FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE FEET OF, OF SOME SORT OF CERAMIC TILE AND CERAMIC TILE OR SOMETHING, OR SOME KIND OF WALL COVERING YOUR STONE OR WHATEVER PORCELAIN THAT'S ON THE WALLS IN THE FLOOR.
BUT THE POINT BEING IS IF WE'RE TRYING, UH, TO TIE IT A DIAPER CHANGING STATION TO SPECIFICALLY A RESTROOM, THEN YEAH, IT DOES CONFUSE IT.
AND, AND I I ASKED THIS QUESTION, JEREMY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET TO COUNSEL AND IT'S
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DISCUSSED, SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE CAN BE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN BEAR TO THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN, WHEN IT'S BROUGHT UP.BUT I JUST WONDER IF, IF THE, UH, RESTROOMS AND OR IT'S A ME THAT'S SAYING, YEAH, I WAS, I WAS KIND OF THINKING HE'D BE LOOKING SO I COULD SAY HE COUNCIL, BUT IT'S, ARE WE BEING, ARE, ARE WE GETTING TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE DIAPER CHANGING STATIONS? IS THE WORD RESTROOM, WHICH IS HISTORICALLY IN THE PAST IS WHERE EVERYBODY'S PUT 'EM, BUT IF WE PROVIDE ANOTHER FACILITY THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE DIAPER CHANGING IN A HAND WASH SINK, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE TOO? AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET HUNG UP ON THE DEFINITION OF A RESTROOM BECAUSE MAYBE THE INTENT OF A DIAPER CHANGING STATION FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE FATHER OR THE MOTHER, UH, IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PLACE TO CHANGE IT AND A HAND WASHING SINK.
AND, AND, UH, MY THINKING WOULD BE IF WE WENT AND ADDED THAT VERBIAGE, IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE EXCEPTION.
UM, SO THE ALTERNATIVE, UM, VISIBLE SIGNAGE INDICATING WHERE AN ALTERNATIVE RESTROOM AND OR, UM, APPROVED LOCATION AND THAT, SO THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, I MEAN, IT, IT KIND OF JUST LEAVES IT TOO VAGUE, BUT IT, WHAT IT DOES IS IT REQUIRES DSS T TO APPROVE IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAY BUILDING OFFICIAL APPROVED LOCATION, UM, OR I'M NOT SURE IF BUILDING OFFICIAL COVERS HEALTH.
I'M NOT SURE IF HEALTH NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED WITH THAT OR, OR WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
BUT I MEAN, IF WE WENT THAT ROUTE, WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS THE GOAL DOES NOT HAVE TOO MUCH LANGUAGE OF AN APPROVED LOCATION.
IS THIS, IT HAS THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS OR, UM, OR WE CAN ADD A NEW DEFINITION OF SAY APPROVED LOCATION IS THIS, AND THAT CAN REFERENCE BACK TO THE I P C BRIAN SMITH.
I, I LIKE THE IDEA 'CAUSE I DO SEE A LOT MORE OF THAT WITH SOME OF THE NEWER FACILITIES BEING DONE, EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHEN IT'S GENDER, NOT GENDER SPECIFIC AND GENDER NEUTRAL.
UM, SO IF THERE'S A WAY THE CITY CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, AGAIN, ONEROUS ON GIRL SELF AS FAR AS GET Y'ALL IN TROUBLE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, BUT IT STILL ALLOWS THAT FLEXIBILITY, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
IS IT POSSIBLE ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN, I I THINK JEREMY, THE, THE THING IS IS THAT OBVIOUSLY THIS CAME FROM A A C C R FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE ISSUE IS, AND I THINK UH, SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIR SMITH HAS, UM, ARTICULATED CORRECT FLEXIBILITY.
WE NEED TO, IF THIS IS THE DESIRE TO HAVE READILY ACCESSIBLE DIAPER CHANGING STATIONS, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THE FORCEMENT AND KNOW IT WON'T BE IN THE CORRIDORS OR IN THE PUBLIC WAYS LIKE NURSES STATIONS AND HOSPITALS AND THINGS LIKE THIS.
BUT WE JUST, THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED.
YOU, WE ASK THE COUNCIL FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR BOTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, AND TO ACCOMMODATE THIS REQUEST.
UH, I GUESS THE CONCERN I HAVE IS, UM, IF WE SAY RESTROOMS OR DESIGNATED AREA.
SO, UM, IF I HAVE A BREAK ROOM IN MY BUILDING AND I GO AND DESIGNATE THAT AS THE BABY CHANGING STATION THERE AND I INSTALL IT, I MEAN YOU'RE KEEPING IT TOO OPEN.
BUT THE DESIGNATED WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS AND IT CANNOT BE A MULTI-USE SPACE.
THAT CAN ALSO BE AN EMPLOYEE BREAK ROOM OR STAFF BREAK ROOM THAT, THAT WOULDN'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I WAS SURE IT HOPED THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE WOULD NEVER APPROVE THAT AS MEETING THE LETTER OF THE LAW BRIAN SMITH.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE IT DESIGNATED IN IT THAT IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR, UH, BABY OR PARENTAL, UM, NEEDS AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT PRIVATE.
WE CAN EVEN SAY IT'S A PRIVATE AREA, SO IT'S NOT COMMUNAL.
I LIKE, I LIKE, I LIKE THAT IDEA OF, OF GIVING US THE FLEXIBILITY OF THAT ROOM.
'CAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW ON OUR CAMPUS WE'VE BEEN ADDING NURSING ROOMS AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE SINK AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK WE CAN DO IT LIKE, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, HAVE A, A, A PARENTAL ROOM SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS.
AND IT GIVES THE BUILDING OWNER THAT FLEXIBILITY SO THEY CAN MEET IT WITHOUT MAJORLY DOING STUFF TO THE RESTROOM.
MAYBE HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING.
EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE TOUGH TO DO THINGS TOO.
AND SO THIS GIVES 'EM THAT OTHER OPTION THAT SAYS, HEY, HERE YOU GO.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE LANGUAGE JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT MEETS THE PARENTAL ROOMS. AND THEN LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S THE GERM SURFACES AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE, BUT I THINK THAT CAN GET WORKED OUT.
YEAH, AND I, I GUESS, I MEAN, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANTED TO KEEP IT AS, AS SHORT AND CONCISE, BUT ALSO THE FLEXIBILITY WOULD BE ADDING IN THEIR ALTERNATE RESTROOM AND OR, UM, APPROVED, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAYBE SAY
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ROOM OR APPROVED LOCATION, UH, A BUILDING OFFICIALLY BUILDING OFFICIAL APPROVED ROOM.UH, AND THEN THAT KIND OF GIVES US THE RIGHT TO SAY NO, THAT'S NOT IT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEN ONCE AGAIN LEADS US BACK TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL PROVIDES A DECISION THAT CAN THEN BE, UM, SENT TO THE BOARD FOR AN APPEAL.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A, A, A FABULOUS APPROACH.
'CAUSE IN SOME OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'LL GO TO IS THAT AL ALTERNATIVE LOCATION AND, AND UH, I THINK THAT'LL WORK OUT REALLY GREAT.
UM, SO THAT WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON, AND I THINK THE EASIEST THING IS, I CAN WRITE IT UP RIGHT HERE AND WE CAN KIND OF SAY THIS IS IT IF WE WANNA MAYBE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
UM, SO THE TWO THINGS THAT WE, ITEM THAT WE, UH, UM, VOTED ON, OF COURSE WE, WE CAN MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS.
AND THEN ALSO ADDING THE ALTERNATE LOCATION VERBIAGE, UM, AND THEN ALSO THE APPEALS, UH, VERBIAGE.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL BE ABLE TO GET THAT FORMALLY DOCUMENTED, BUT I CAN ADD IN THERE THAT YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL USE, UH, VERBIAGE FROM U D C CHAPTER 10, UH, TO ALLOW THAT BUILT INTO THE ORDINANCE IS THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A RECOURSE FOR, UH, FOR APPEALING ANY DECISIONS, UH, FROM THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
ROBERT HAMLEY, JEREMY, IF YOU CAN DO THIS IN FIVE MINUTES SO WE CAN GET THIS ACTION COMPLETED AND, AND THEN, UH, CONCLUDE THIS PART OF THE, UH, THE PROCESS THAT IS IN THE GOAL.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
BRIAN SMITH, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW BACK IN ORDER.
I SEE WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES.
JEREMY, IF YOU COULD GO OVER THOSE REAL QUICK SO THEN WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
PLUS THERE ARE OTHERS THAT USE ISN'T, ISN'T IT THE DIAPER THAT'S BEING CHANGED.
ARE WE GETTING INTO OUR, DO WE HAVE ANY ENGLISH MAJORS? UM, THE REQUEST IS SO THAT WE, UH, MATCH THE C C R FROM CITY COUNCIL.
JEREMY, WHAT, WHAT DID THE OTHER FOUR MUNICIPALITIES THAT YOU REFERENCED EARLIER, HOW DID THEY REFER TO IT? UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE MORE I'M MISSING.
I MEAN, AND THEN I CAN, I'LL PULL THAT UP AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS WELL UNDER THE FINISHING.
JEREMY, THERE IS, UM, IT SAYS MEANS.
UH, JEREMY, MCDONALD'S, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
REAL QUICK, UH, BEFORE I GO THROUGH THESE CHANGES, WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THE OTHER OPTIONS.
UM, SO DALLAS, YEAH, I KIND OF FIGURED THEY'D SAID, 'CAUSE I'VE PULLED A LOT OF IT FROM THEM.
SO WERE WE, THIS ROBERT HANLEY, WE JUST TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE A MEET ON THIS LANGUAGE CHANGE.
UM, I, I WOULD SAY GO BACK TO, TO THE DIAPER.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE, THE THING IS BEFORE WE GET INTO, WELL, A ACTUALLY THE CORRECT IS BABY, I THINK IT MEANS CORRECT BECAUSE WHAT IF THEY'RE CHANGING CLOTHES THREW UP ON 'EM? UH, SO IT COULD BE A, A COUPLE DIFFERENT
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THINGS AS FAR AS FROM A CHANGING STATION, SORRY, WHEN I'M FOSTERING A FIVE MONTH OLD, SO I, WE WERE DEALING WITH IT THIS MORNING AT FOUR 30 IN THE MORNING.SO LOOKING AT JUST SOME RENTAL PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE USING BABY CHANGING STATIONS.
SO IF WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, MIMIC WHAT THE MARKET'S SAYING, JUST SO THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION, WE CAN PUT, WE CAN PUT BABY SLASH DIAPER
UH, CHAIRMAN MCDONALD, CITY OF CITY STAFF, UH, THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE JUST RECENTLY MADE DURING THE FIVE MINUTE BREAK, UM, THE INITIAL TERM OF DIAPER TO BABY, UH, WAS CHANGED IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
UH, SO THAT WE'RE REFERENCING BABY CHANGING STATIONS TO THE SET OF DIAPER CHANGING STATIONS.
UH, OTHER CHANGES MADE IN SECTION B, WE ADDED IN, IN ADDITION TO OCCUPANCY TYPE SPECIFIED HOSPITALS AND ALL CITY OWNED BUILDINGS, WE ADDED THE AND ALL CITY OWNED BUILDINGS AND REMOVES SECTION C UH, INDICATING THAT THE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS ARE NOW NOT RETROACTIVE, BUT FOLLOW THE EXACT SAME REQUIREMENTS.
THE ONLY THING BEING THAT IF THEY HAVE A BUSINESS TYPE OCCUPANCY OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF OCCUPANCY, THEY STILL HAVE TO MAKE THAT ACCOMMODATION.
SO IT, IT KIND OF JUST SAYS IT DOESN'T MATTER, THEY'RE OCCUPANCY TYPE, IT'S JUST ANY CITY OWNED BUILDING.
UM, OTHER CHANGES ARE IN SUBSECTION B, WE REMOVED THE REQUIREMENT FOR DECREASED.
IT'S THE SAME FOR SUBSECTION C, REMOVED THE REQUIREMENT FOR DECREASED, THAT'S DECREASED OF SIZE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RESTROOM AND DECREASE OF THE NUMBER OF FIXTURES IN THE RESTROOM.
AND THEN WE ALSO IN SUBSECTION B INCREASE, UH, CHANGED IT TO INDICATE AN INCREASE OF 50 SQUARE FOOT OR MORE AS OPPOSED TO JUST ANY INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD.
UNDER THE EXCEPTIONS, UH, WE ADDED ALTERNATIVE RESTROOM AND OR DESIGNATED AREA APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
UH, SO THIS ALLOWS DSTS TO KIND OF HAVE SOME INSIGHT AND LOOK AT THAT.
UM, WE HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION INTERNALLY.
WE, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH AREA VERSUS A DESIGNATED ROOM OR THE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T NEED A DOOR OR A HEADER.
UM, IF YOU, IF WE FEEL THAT YOU HAVE ADEQUATE KIND OF ALCOVE OR SOMETHING THAT, THAT DOES MEET THE, THE INTENT, UM, AND GIVES US THOSE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE SINK AND UM, GERMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IF WE CAN KIND OF KEEP IT OUT OF THE PUBLIC AREA BUT STILL DO IT WITHOUT CLOSING IT OFF AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER AND REVIEW AND, AND, UH, EITHER APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE BASED ON, UH, THE DESIGN APPROACH.
UM, AND THEN WE ADDED THE, UH, APPEALS LANGUAGE.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST A KIND OF A VERY BRIEF NOT HAVING TO GO TO CODE HEAVY LANGUAGE.
UM, ONE THING THAT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF IS IF THIS IS BROUGHT INTO ORDINANCE, THE FIRST THING D S D WOULD DO IS CREATE AN, UH, INFORMATION BULLETIN, SPECIFYING WHAT THIS ORDINANCE MEANS.
UM, KIND OF GIVING, UM, SOME NON CODIFIED LANGUAGE, BUT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, LAYMAN'S TERMS TO THE APPROACH OF HOW D S T'S GONNA HANDLE THAT.
AND OF COURSE WE WOULD, UH, ADD IN THERE THE, UH, IB THAT REFERENCES THE BOARD AND THE APPEALS PROCESS AND THEIR OPPORTUNITY.
UH, AND ALSO THE C M R PROCESS AS WELL IF THEY WANTED THAT.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL CHANGES, UH, MADE IN THE LAST, UH, FIVE MINUTES.
UM, I'M MOVED THAT WE, UH, ACCEPT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE LANGUAGE WITH THE MODIFICATIONS.
I'LL SECOND THE MOTION A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD TODAY? NO CITIZENS TO BE
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HEARD.ANY OTHER BOARD COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CHAIR FOR, UH, GREAT GUIDANCE TODAY, CHAIR.
SEEING THERE'S NOTHING ELSE I JUST WANNA SAY I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, THAT A GOOD FORWARD DIRECTION TO MOVE IN.
UH, THAT WAS VERY GOOD LANGUAGE, JEREMY.
OH, THAT'S, I WAS WONDERING HOW YOU, HOW WE WERE GONNA DO IT THIS MORNING AND UH, FANTASTIC JOB GUYS.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I MEAN, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS, I'M GONNA ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA.
THE KEY WITH THAT MEETING WILL BE THE BILLBOARDS.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, UH, BEFORE THE END OF AUGUST.