* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:11] [9:00 AM – Call to Order] AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE ROLL CALL PLEASE. DAVIS FLORES. HERE. GARCIA. HERE. BRI. REGARD? HERE. SETZER. HERE. FULLERTON POLL. HERE. SMITH VASQUEZ. PRESENT. AND VEDA PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. SHALL WE DO THE TRANSLATION SERVICES? YES. IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS COME UP AND GIVE THE ANNOUNCEMENT. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME ALSO THE COMPLIANCE BOARD, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT? WE JUST NEED THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT. OKAY. SO THE COMPLIANCE TECHNOLOGY ADVISORY BOARDS AND ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JUANITA VEDA CHAIRWOMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JASON VASQUEZ. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND LANDMARKS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND, APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF DECISIONS BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION ON ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH ANY ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THIS BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. AND DO WE HAVE ANY CO WE HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL. UM, SO THE FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT IS TOMORROW. UM, IF YOU HAVE FREE TIME IN THE MORNING ON A SATURDAY, UM, PLEASE JOIN US FOR THE NEXT HISTORIC DISTRICTS COALITION PRESENTATION THAT'LL BE HELD AT THE SA GARDEN CENTER. UM, AT 9:00 AM UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS. THE FIRST WILL BE FROM THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY, UM, ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD RESILIENCY AND A TOOLKIT THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE, UH, TO COMMUNITIES. UM, AND THEN, UM, OUR OFFICE WILL BE GIVING A PRESENTATION ABOUT OUR SUSTAINABILITY GUIDE AND LANDSCAPING POLICY. UM, SO THAT'LL BE A GOOD FREE RESOURCE AND ACTIVITY ON A SATURDAY MORNING. IF YOU'RE JUST A, UM, NEXT SATURDAY, UH, WE HAVE THE AMAZING PRESERVATION RAISE FOR KIDS. SO IF YOU HAVE KIDS OR GRANDKIDS, UH, YOU OUGHT TO BRING THEM OUT TO HEMISPHERE AT 9:00 AM. UM, ACTUALLY IT'S EIGHT 8:30 AM RIGHT? MEGAN . I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S EIGHT 30. UM, SO THAT IS A LOW COST EVENT, UM, AND IT'S A SCAVENGER HUNT AND A LOT OF FUN IN HEMISPHERE. AND SO THAT IS THE AMAZING PRESERVATION RACE FOR KIDS. YOU CAN FIND BOTH, BOTH OF THESE, UM, EVENTS ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE OR ON ESSAY SPEAK UP. [ Public Comments] UM, NEXT WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON, SPEAKER BIANCA MALDONADO. YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES, AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE VOICEMAILS AS WELL, AND GENERAL COMMENTS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, 4 57 CLUB DRIVE. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS. THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION DOES SO MUCH TO PROVIDE [00:05:01] RESOURCES FOR HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE LIVING IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON THEIR HOME. THEY HAVE A LIST FOR THE REHABS CLUB. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF VIOLATORS OUT THERE. SO, UH, THE REASON I CAME, UH, WANTED TO SPEAK TODAY WAS TO ASK POTENTIALLY IF A LIST OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ISSUED STOP WORK ORDERS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UH, THE STOP WORK ORDERS TO CONTRACTORS COULD BE LISTED BECAUSE ALL TOO OFTEN SOME PEOPLE FALL PREY TO CONTRACTORS AND DON'T UNDERSTAND, UM, THE GUIDELINES AND THEY'RE MISLED BY A CONTRACTOR ABOUT NEEDING AN APPROVAL OR NEEDING A PERMIT. AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S A DATABASE THAT COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. UM, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DETAIL OF THE SITUATION, MAYBE JUST THE NAME OF THE CONTRACTOR THAT THE STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED TO, UH, TO MAKE THAT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE IN SOME TYPE OF SPREADSHEET. SO THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT FOR TODAY. THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS WILL PLAY VOICEMAILS. HELLO, MY NAME IS ARI CORTEZ AND I'M CALLING IN WITH A GENERAL COMMENT FOR THE GROUP OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNA WITTY HILL TO CTAP COMMISSIONERS AND OHP STAFF. FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT AWARE THAT THE ORIGINAL ARC TEAM FROM THE DIGNA WITTY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS DISSOLVED IN 2018 DUE TO THE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION BETWEEN ARC AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S, OFFICERS AND BOARD MEMBERS ON HOW WE SHOULD SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT PROJECTS. THE TERMINATION OF THE ENTIRE ARC TEAM IN 2018 WAS MAINLY DUE TO THE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION REGARDING THE DESIGN OF THE HAY STREET BRIDGE APARTMENT PROJECT. ARC MEMBERS, HOWEVER, DID NOT GO AWAY. THEY REGROUPED AND THEY CONTINUED DOING THE SAME EXACT WORK AS BEFORE, CALLING IN OUR COMMENTS FOR ANY CASES WITHIN OUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND OTHERS AS NEEDED. LAST YEAR UNDER NEW NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICERS AND BOARD MEMBERS, THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL WERE ASKED TO COME BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS THE OFFICIAL ARC COMMITTEE. AFTER MUCH DISCUSSION, WE AGREED TO REJOIN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING AND CONFIRMATION FROM THE NEW OFFICERS AND BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE WILL FOLLOW OHP GUIDELINES WHEN REVIEWING APPLICATIONS TO COMMENT ON CASES. HOW WE DECIDE TO SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT A CASE WOULD BE STRICTLY BASED ON WHETHER THE APPLICANT FOLLOWED OHP GUIDELINES, NO MATTER WHO THE APPLICANT WAS. WITH THIS BEING ACCEPTED AND UNDERSTOOD, WE OFFICIALLY REJOIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS, CALLING IN FOR CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL AND TO COMPLETE THE COMMENTS LEFT BY THE PREVIOUS CALLER, VALERIE CORTEZ. UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OFFICERS AND BOARD MEMBERS DECIDED THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT WE FOLLOWED OHP GUIDELINES AND HAVE VOTED TO TERMINATE THE ARC TEAM AND TAKE OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY OF REVIEWING AND COMMENTING ON ALL ARC CTAP AND ZONING CASES THEMSELVES. PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED LETTER OF TERMINATION, BUT JUST LIKE IN 2018 WHEN PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN, THEY DON'T GO AWAY. THEY JUST REGROUP. SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO NOTIFY YOU THAT THE SAME GROUP OF RESIDENTS THAT REVIEWED CASES AND PROVIDED COMMENTS TO YOU AT THE LAST CTA MEETING WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING FOR TODAY'S CASES AND FUTURE CASES. SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO COMMENTING ON THESE CASES AS CONCERNED CITIZENS OF D WHITTY HILL, WE ASK THAT YOU REVIEW OUR COMMENTS AND TAKE THEM AS SERIOUSLY AS YOU DID FOR THE SHORT WHILE WE WERE ARC SINCE WE'RE THE SAME EXACT TEAM OF CONCERNED RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUED WORK IT TAKES TO KEEP OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS HISTORIC. WE HAVE A COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 3 7 25 HAYES. HELLO, MY NAME IS ARI AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF YET, EDWARD, WE'RE NOT READY FOR THAT. SO NEXT WE WILL NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 21ST, 2024. WOULD NOW BE THE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMMENTS THAT MS. MALDONADO MADE. UM, I THE CHAIR CAN RECOGNIZE SPEAKERS. YEAH, ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE INCORRECT BECAUSE IT'S OUTTA ORDER. THAT WOULD BE UNDER NEW NO, MS. MALDONADO GAVE GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO IF YOU WANT TO, UH, ASK HER QUESTIONS, YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP? THANKS FOR SHARING WHAT YOU SHARED EARLIER. WOULD [00:10:01] YOU BE ABLE TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON IT AND GIVE SOME EXAMPLES? THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF WINDOW CONTRACTORS, AND I DON'T WANNA NAME ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR, BUT THERE IS PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE OF EFFORTS THAT THEY'RE DOING TO DISPLACE THE INSTALLED BASE OF WOOD WINDOWS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITHOUT PROPERLY EDUCATING THEM ABOUT REPAIR PRIOR TO REPLACEMENT. IT IS VERY COMMON IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE GET MAILERS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENTS, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING AND ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS AFTER THE FACT. AND IT'S A SIGNIFICANT LOSS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A WINDOW THAT IS EXISTS ANYMORE AND THAT'S GOING TO THE LANDFILL. AND SO WHEN YOU THINK OF THE DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE WHERE YOU WANNA PRESERVE THINGS AND KEEP THINGS FROM GOING TO THE LANDFILL, AND OBVIOUSLY OHP HAS MADE A HUGE EFFORT TO RESTORE PRIOR TO REPLACE, UM, HAVING THAT INFORMATION READILY AVAILABLE TO HOMEOWNERS IS IMPORTANT. AND I WILL TELL YOU, AND, AND AT LEAST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DISTRIBUTE A NEWSLETTER TO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER SIX TIMES A YEAR. AND IN THAT NEWSLETTER, IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROCESS, IT TALKS ABOUT GUIDELINES, BUT IT'S STILL, THE MESSAGE IS STILL NOT BEING MADE. AND SO I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE RESOURCES ABOUT REHAB OR CLUB, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT DO IT RIGHT, COME IN AND GET CERTIFIED, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LIST ABOUT, HEY, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER FOR DOING THIS WORK. UH, IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE SPECIFIC ADDRESS, BUT I THINK IF PEOPLE KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE BAD ACTORS OUT THERE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY HOMEOWNERS GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF AND, AND IT'S A LOT OF MONEY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT. SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE, THE BIG CONCERN. UM, YOU GET THE FLY BY NIGHT CONTRACTORS AND PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE DOING, THEIR INTENTION IS TO IMPROVE THEIR HOME, AND ALL TOO OFTEN THEIR MONEY GETS SPENT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. AND SO THE WHOLE GOAL WOULD BE TO HELP THEM UTILIZE IT IN THE PROPER DIRECTION WITH SOMEONE THAT'S REALLY WORKING TOWARDS THE TOTAL GOAL. SO THAT'S WHY I MADE MY COMMENT TODAY. SURE. AND THEN, UM, SO A GOOD EXAMPLE OF IDEALLY WHAT YOU WOULD WANT OR WHAT, UM, ALL HISTORIC DISTRICTS WOULD WANT. WOULD THAT BE SOME KIND OF SPREADSHEET JUST INDICATING ALL THE BAD ACTORS AND SOMETHING POSTED PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FOR OHP TO SHARE WITH ANYONE THAT'S GOING TO TRY TO DO ANY KIND OF RENOVATION? WELL, ULTIMATELY, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU BRAND, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD ACTORS IS THE REHAB OR CLUB. I MEAN, THIS CAN JUST BE THE LIST OF CONTRACTORS THAT WERE ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER AND IT CAN HAVE THEIR NAME AND WHAT THE STOP ORDER ORDER WAS ISSUED FOR JUST SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE. IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO INTO DETAIL, DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO HAVE THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IN MY OPINION. BUT I THINK IF YOU START BUILDING THAT LIST AND EDUCATING PEOPLE, IT IS IMPORTANT. AND I THINK IT GETS THE MESSAGE ACROSS TOO, BECAUSE IT'S JUST ONE MORE THING THAT PROVIDES A RESOURCE JUST AS, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS A LIST FOR CONTRACTORS TOO. AND COULD THERE BE STEPS THAT THOSE CONTRACTORS GET REMOVED OFF THAT LIST IF THEY'RE ISSUED SO MANY STOP WORK ORDERS? I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER LONG TERM, I WOULD THINK. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EXISTS FOR DSD RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE A LIST OF CONTRACTORS YES. ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT ARE, I GUESS THEY'RE LICENSED BY THE CITY. AND SO I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT POINT YOU REMOVE A LICENSED CONTRACTOR FROM THAT LIST WHEN THEY'RE ISSUED SO MANY STOP WORK ORDERS. OKAY. I'VE NEVER DONE A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS GO ON THE WEBSITE TO SEEK INFORMATION. THANK YOU. AND THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING HELPFUL TO A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE NEW TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS, NEW TO THE CITY, UM, THAT DON'T KNOW ALL THE, THE DIFFERENT NUANCES OF WHAT A SAN ANTONIO HISTORIC DISTRICT UH, TAKES. SO IT'S THE WHOLE REASON Y'ALL WERE CREATED, TO BE HONEST, IS BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF VIOLATION CASES. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COREY. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION? UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS. WE DO HAVE A RESOURCE ONLINE THAT'S THE REHABBER CLUB. AND SO, UM, THAT IS WHERE WE PROVIDE A LIST OF CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE EITHER PARTICIPATED IN PAST WORKSHOPS OR TRAININGS, UM, OR ARE CERTIFIED AS, UH, REHABILITATION CONTRACTORS, WINDOW CONTRACTORS AND REALTORS. THE CERTIFICATION, UH, TAKES PLACE AFTER YOU'VE, UH, DONE AT LEAST COA THREE COAS, UM, SUCCESSFULLY OR COME TO HDRC OR PRESENTED. UM, AND WE DO REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE LIST IF THERE ARE VIOLATIONS. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS YOU CAN'T HAVE VIOLATIONS WITH THE CITY AND REMAIN IN GOOD STANDING TO BE ON THAT LIST. THE DSD UH, LIST IS CALLED CONTRACTOR CONNECT. UM, AND I BELIEVE THE QUALIFICATIONS ARE THAT YOU ARE LICENSED WITH THE CITY AND THAT YOU TAKE A TRAINING. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S PENALTIES FOR, FOR VIOLATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY MANAGE IT THE SAME WAY. UM, BUT THAT IS PROBABLY, UH, THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS IT IS THAT, UM, THAT WOULD DISQUALIFY YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THOSE PROGRAMS. SO HOW OFTEN IS THAT LIST THAT OHP KEEPS, [00:15:01] UH, UPDATED? YES MA'AM. WE WOULD DEFINITELY, WE'LL ADDRESS. THANK YOU. [Approval of Minutes] OKAY. MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 21ST, MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 21ST, UM, MEETING. I SECOND IT MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR FIRST AND SECOND TO ACCEPT THE MEETINGS FROM JUNE 21ST AS DISTRIBUTED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL. DAVIS. AYE FLORES. AYE. GARCIA? AYE. ARD AYE. SETZER AYE. P*****K. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. AND S AYE. MOTION CARRIES. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] OKAY. AT THIS TIME WE CAN, UH, DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY, UM, AND VOICEMAILS, UH, FOR ONE OF THOSE. ITEM THREE. EDWARD, IF YOU CAN PLAY THAT NOW. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP TO CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL REGARDING CT A CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 4 5 LOCATED AT 7 25 HAY STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S FINDINGS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD INSTALL AT LEAST 50% NATURAL PLANTINGS TO THE FRONT YARD AND SUBMIT TO STAFF AN UPDATED LANDSCAPE SITE PLAN. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS THAT THERE'S A LETTER, UH, THAT CORRESPONDS WITH THOSE COMMENTS IN YOUR PACKET FOR ITEM THREE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO BACK TO AGENDA AND FOLLOWS THE AGENDA. STARTING WITH THE FIRST CASE ALSO? YEAH. ONLY JUROR WISH TO HEAR ANY ITEM INDIVIDUALLY THAT'S ON CONSENT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HAVING ANY, ANY ITEMS REMOVED? CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE DONE AT THIS TIME. DO WE HAVE ANY TO BE REMOVED? COURT? YES, THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL. YEAH. PASS THE COMMISSION. ANY COMMISSIONERS FOR CONSIDERATION TO HAVE ANY ITEMS REMOVED? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. UH, THE THREE ITEMS, EXCUSE ME. ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, DOES THAT INCLUDE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? UH, YES. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. DAVIS. AYE. FLORES. AYE. GARCIA? AYE. REGARD? AYE. SETZER. AYE. P*****K. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. AND AYE. MOTION CARRIES. YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 4 29 DEVINE 6 0 3 EAST EVERGREEN IN 7 25 HAYES. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] AND SO COMMISSIONERS NOW WILL MOVE ON TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. UH, AND WE'LL START WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, 2 50, QUENTIN. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 1 52 2 50. QUENTIN DRIVE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. TWO. ONE, RECONSTRUCT THE FIRE DAMAGED ROOF STRUCTURE TO FEATURE A MODIFIED ROOF PITCH AND AN INCREASED RIDGE HEIGHT OVER AN EXISTING SITE. ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CHIMNEY. TWO. TO MODIFY FACADE MATERIALS, INSTALLING BLACK STUCCO AND WOOD SIDING WITH A NATURAL FINISH. THREE, TO MODIFY THE FACADE OF THE EXISTING SIDE. ADDITION BY INSTALLING A FRONT FACING GARAGE DOOR, A RECESSED BALCONY, WOOD SIDING, AND A FIFTH COLUMN, THE PROPOSED SIDE ADDITIONS MASS WILL BE EXTENDED FORWARD TO ALIGN WITH THE PRIMARY FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND FORWARD TO INSTALL BOTH FRONT YARD AND FRONT YARD AND PRIVACY FENCING ON SITE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROOF STRUCTURE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE SIDE ADDITION SHOULD MAINTAIN A SUBORDINATE RIDGE HEIGHT AS WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED. TWO. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE INSTALLATION OF BLACK STUCCO AND UNPAINTED WOOD SIDING ON THE FACADE IS NOTED IN FINDING. E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE EXISTING FACADE MATERIALS BE MAINTAINED AND MATCHED OR THAT AN ARCHITECTURALLY AND HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL BE PROPOSED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL [00:20:01] OF THE REQUEST ITEMS IDENTIFIED AS NUMBER THREE AS THEY HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING. G. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE'S FOOTPRINT MAY REMAIN AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS AND NOT BE BROUGHT FORWARD. TWO, THAT THE FACADE MATERIALS SHOULD MATCH THE EXISTING ON SITE OR THAT AN ARCHITECTURALLY AND HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL BE PROPOSED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THE PROPOSED UNFINISHED WOOD SIDING IS NOT APPROPRIATE. THREE. THAT THE ADDITION, THAT ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, NOTING THE INSTALLATION PROFILE AND DEPTH THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOOR AND FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED FIFTH COLUMN BE ELIMINATED. AND FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. FENCING AS PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCING IS NOT FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THIS BLOCK OF QUENTIN AND IS NOT COMMON WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT FIND THE INSTALLATION OF FRONT YARD FENCING TO BE APPROPRIATE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PRIVACY FENCING INSTALLED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OF FINAL SITE PLAN, NOTING EXACT FENCING LOCATIONS AS TO BE SUBMITTED TO OHB STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON. UM, HE'S NOT ONLINE. UH, COMMISSIONERS. UM, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, THAT COULD BE HEARD. HOWEVER, IT'S TYPICAL FOR COMMISSIONERS TO NOT TAKE ACTION ON AN APPLICATION. IF AN APPLICANT'S NOT PRESENT, UH, THIS APPLICATION HE CAN ACTUALLY POSTPONE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAY PERIOD, UH, ACTION WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN BY THE AUGUST 16TH HEARING. SO, MADAM CHAIR, IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO, UH, HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT OR IF YOU WANNA POSTPONE EVERYTHING AND AND NOT HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. EDWARD, IS THIS THE THIRD TIME THAT IT'S BEEN REMOVED? UM, BEEN, BEEN POSSIBLE ON MULTIPLE AGENDAS? IT'S BEEN POSTPONED TWICE. UM, THE CODE ALLOWS THE APPLICANT TO POSTPONE UP TO THREE TIMES, HOWEVER, WE'RE LIMITED IN, IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION. AND SO, AND LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF TIMES HAS BEEN POSTPONED AND ADDING UP THE DAYS, WE THINK THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY DELAY ONE MORE AND HAVE ACTION IN AUGUST IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. UM, BUT YOU ARE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION TODAY SINCE IT IS ON THE AGENDA. COMMISSIONERS SAYING THAT WE, I CAN TAKE ACTION. UH, JUST TO REPEAT WHAT EDWARD IS SAYING IS WE'RE DEFERRING TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR IF YOU WANT TO SUGGEST A POSTPONEMENT OR TO TAKE ACTION ON THE ITEM COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO A POSTPONEMENT. GIVE THE THIRD AND FINAL ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UH, YES. UH, SO THIS WOULD BE POSTPONED IN ORDER TO GIVE THE APPLICANT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND TALK TO US. IS THAT CORRECT? GREAT. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO POSTPONE? I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO POSTPONE PLEASE. SECOND. I NEED A MOTION. I MAKE A, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE A SECOND PLEASE. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT WOULD BE TO THE NEXT AGENDA, WHICH IS AUGUST 23RD. SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. DAVIS. AYE. FLORES. AYE. GARCIA. AYE. ARD AYE. SETZER. AYE. P*****K NAY. VASQUEZ. NAY. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 3 4 8 20 NORTH ALAMO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL BRICK PAVING IN THE FRONT YARD. TWO. INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL METAL FRONT YARD FENCE AND THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAY WITH AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE CONCRETE WALKWAY. RECOMMENDATION ITEMS ONE AND TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD MODIFICATIONS TO FEATURE A COMBINATION OF SMALL PLANTINGS AND PAVERS BASED ON FINDING B. AN UPDATED SITE PLAN AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA TWO THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED GATE AND FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE HDRC AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. ADDITIONALLY, THE GATE AND FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 DASH 5 14 3 [00:25:02] THAT THE REPLACEMENT WALKWAY MATCHES THE EXISTING WALKWAY AND LOCATION FOOTPRINT WITH CONFIGURATION AND MATERIAL BASED ON FINDING D THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED MEASURED SITE PLANS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT. KENT BRITTON IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. I APOLOGIZE. ONE MOMENT. I DO NOT HAVE MR. BRITTON. I HAVE A MARK OLIVAREZ, BUT I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICANT. WILL HE BE SPEAKING ON HIS BEHALF? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICANT. OKAY. AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS PLEASE. MATT, I I JUST HAVE CLARIFICATION. WE HAVE, WE DO NOT HAVE THE APPLICANT OR ANYONE REPRESENTING THEM HERE TODAY. WE DO NOT. THANK YOU. UM, RACHEL, HAS THIS BEEN POSTPONED BEFORE? IT IS NOT. THIS IS A NEW REQUEST. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, I'D RECOMMEND POSTPONING THIS, WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE TIME IS THAT WE TYPICALLY DO AUGUST 23RD. AUGUST 23RD. THAT'S MY FAULT. IT'S THE 23RD. CORY, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS ONE? WE DO. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION PLEASE. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS CASE FOR ADDRESS EIGHT 20 NORTH ALAMO STREET TO THE AUGUST 23RD CT A MEETING. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ROLL CALL VOTE DAVIS. AYE. FLORES AYE. GARCIA AYE. REGARD? AYE. SETZER AYE. P*****K. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND SEVE AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, UM, CTA CASE 2024 DASH 2 35 3 44 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL FRONT YARD FENCE WITH HORIZONTAL SLATS MEASURING FIVE FEET AND HEIGHT. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE BASED ON FINDING B. IF THE HCRC FEELS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE INCLUDED, THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE HCRC AT ANY POINT OF THE FENCE. ADDITIONALLY, THAT THE FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINES OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 DASH 514, INCLUDING CLEAR VISION REQUIREMENTS AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, MARK OLIVAREZ, IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY MR. OLIVAREZ. YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF. MR. LAVAR, ARE YOU THERE? YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE. UM, JUST WHILE THAT'S GOING ON, I WANNA MAKE A CASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE NO VOICEMAILS, NO LETTERS, AND NO PUBLIC COMMENT. GOOD MORNING MR. OLIVAREZ. HOPE HE JUST HUNG UP. , I THINK BY ACCIDENT HE'S PROBABLY PRESSING BUTTONS, SO LET'S GIVE HIM A SECOND TO SEE IF HE CAN RETURN. UM, COREY, WHILE THIS IS GOING ON, MY NEXT APPLICANT FOR 2 63 WAS OSA HERE. DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT ONE? I, YES. I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO OSA UNTIL WE GET HIM BACK ON THE LINE AND IF WE DON'T GET 'EM BACK ON, THEN WE'LL MOVE WITH THE MOTION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, HGRC, I'M SORRY, RCI, SORRY. C CASE 2024 DASH 2 44 2 63 WEST EDA DRIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING STANDING SEA, THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF IN THE COLOR HD BRONZE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF [00:30:01] THE ROOF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIP RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH. OR A STANDARD GLO FINISH. PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT RADIATIONS OR CORRUGATION. RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNGE OR CRI RIDGE CONFIGURATION. NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED. AN ONSITE INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED. OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. ALL CHI, MANY FLU AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MAY BE MUST BE PRESERVED. AND THE APPLICANT, UM, JOEY CORTEZ IS HERE IN PERSON. UM, AS A CASE NOTE, THE APPLICANT DOES AGREE TO ALMOST ALL THE STIPULATIONS MINUS THE COLOR. SO WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE COLOR. HELLO. HI. HELLO. THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME. UH, MY NAME'S JOEY CORTEZ. I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 2 6 3 WEST HERMOSA. I'VE LIVED IN THE OMO PARK HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 2007. I BOUGHT INTO HISTORIC, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I LOVE TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC FABRIC ACROSS, YOU KNOW, SAN ANTONIO AND PRESERVE THESE THINGS AND, AND, AND TAKE CARE OF IT. WELL, I'VE COME TO THIS, THIS POINT IN MY LIFE TO WHERE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE UP TO REROOF MY HOME. UH, THERE I ASK THAT THERE'S NO STRUCTURAL CHANGES FOR ANYTHING. I HAVE A CURRENT, IT'S A BROWN WOOD, UH, DARKER BROWN COLORED ASPHALT SHINGLED ROOF, UH, THAT NEEDS, THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF DAMAGE. AND AT THIS POINT I WANTED TO UPGRADE AND PUT REROOF IT WITH A STANDING SEAM, UH, METAL ROOF. NOW WHAT I ASKED IS THAT THE COLOR BE CLOSER, UH, TO THE COLOR THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY ON THERE, WHICH I'M OPEN TO ANY COLOR THAT Y'ALL SUGGEST. UH, OTHER THAN THE BRIGHT GAVA LOOM, I'VE JUST, THE CONTRAST FOR THE, THE, THE STONE COTTAGE TYPE HOME THAT I HAVE, I FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T FIT AS WELL WITH HAVING A DARKER, LIKE AGED BRAUN OR MORE OF AN ALMOND CHAMPAGNE TYPE COLOR. AND I'M COMPLETELY OPEN TO THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR Y'ALL'S PERMISSION TO SEE IF Y'ALL WOULD, UH, ALLOW THIS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YES SIR. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE GUIDELINES THAT, THAT PREVENTS US FROM CHANGING THE COLOR OF THE GALVANIZED ROOF? SO, UM, THE GUIDELINES DO STATE THAT IT MUST BE GAL FINISHED, BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE YOU ALL DO HAVE THAT, UM, SPECIAL AUTHORITY TO HAVE SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS. UM, GENERALLY IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE, UM, A COLOR RED OR GREEN FOR A ROOF THAT'S ALREADY HAS THAT EXISTING COLOR, WHICH IS WHY IT STATES IN THE STIPULATIONS, UM, THE EXISTING FINISH. UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO, UM, AMENABLE TO A MORE ALMOND COLOR FINISH. BUT IT CURRENTLY HAS BROWN, CORRECT? HE DOES HAVE A SHINGLE BROWN. CORRECT. AND, AND IF I MAY STAY, I, I BELIEVE I PROVIDED A PHOTO, A NEIGHBOR ON MY SAME BLOCK IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ABOUT FIVE HOUSES DOWN, HAS THE EXACT SAME ROOF THAT I, THAT I WAS ASKING FOR. AND IT, AND IT FITS THE STRUCTURES VERY WELL AND I FEEL THAT IT FITS IN THE CONTRAST IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE TIME, UH, AND TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC FABRIC. SO I, I JUST TOOK A SNIPPET OF A PHOTO JUST SO YOU KIND OF HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WOULD HOPE TO, TO BE ABLE TO GET. SO IS THAT THE COLOR THAT YOU'RE HOPING FOR? THAT IS THE EXACT COLOR, YES SIR. THAT, THAT'S THE H BRONZE. SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE SLIDE OF YOUR HOUSE. AND IT'S THE SAME STONE COLOR Y YES SIR. SO THIS MEDIUM BRONZE IS WHAT THAT ONE HOUSE WITH THE AUDI AND THE DRIVEWAY HAD? YEP. YES. THE, THE, THE STONE COLORS, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE EITHER OF A LIMESTONE OR, UH, THEY USE LIKE AN AUSTIN SANDSTONE IS KIND OF ONE OF TWO OF THE STONES USED IN THE HOME, BUT IT IS THE SAME EXACT STONE. IT LOOKS WELL, I THINK IT LOOKS FINE, BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT. I THINK THE COLOR IS, UH, LOOKS BETTER TO MY EYE. I THINK WE'RE READY. UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I THINK YOU SAY THAT THERE'S A STIPULATION FOR GLOOM, UM, AND THAT COMES FROM WHERE IT'S FROM THE GUIDELINES IN THE GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS UNDER THE ROOF PORTION, UH, FOR THE CITY OR FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, OR WHO, WHO DECIDED ON THAT? IT'S FOR THE CITY. IT'S THE, IN THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. ALRIGHT. THIS ROOF AND THE EXAMPLE THAT HE TOOK A PICTURE OF LOOKS FAIRLY NEW. DID THIS COME BEFORE THE HDRC? THIS ROOF WAS DONE AT LEAST, UM, FOR 10 YEARS. SO BEFORE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, [00:35:01] I, I, IF I MAY INTERRUPT, UH, THE NEIGHBOR, I, I DID PROVIDE SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY RIGHT AROUND IT OF, OF APPROVAL. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXCITED FOR, ONE OF 'EM IS THE OWNER IS PATSY AND JEFF EDWARDS, THAT'S THEIR HOME. THE, THE ROOF THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IS 20 YEARS OLD AND THEY JUST RECENTLY HAD IT WASHED. SO IT LOOKS BRAND NEW AGAIN. AND, AND JUST TO FIT TO THE POINT, IT'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN PRESERVING THE HOME. AND, BUT THE, THE ROOF LOOKS NEW. IT'S ACTUALLY 20 YEARS OLD WHEN I WAS TALKING TO HER AND SHE, SHE JUST HAD IT PROFESSIONALLY WASHED BECAUSE THE PECAN TREES KIND OF DARKENED IT EVERY YEAR. BUT THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS NEW. IT IT'S A 20-YEAR-OLD ROOF. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? AND YOU SAID CLAUDIA, THAT WE HAVE SOME LEEWAY. YEAH. YES. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CITYWIDE GUIDELINES DISCOURAGED MANUFACTURER COLORS AND SO ROOFS COME IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT COLORS. WHAT IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR ANY HISTORIC PROPERTY IS THIS KIND OF METALLIC FINISH AND NOT A MANUFACTURE COLOR. WE DO NOT HAVE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES THAT SAY IF YOUR HOUSE IS BUILT IN 1940S OR IS A COTTAGE OR A STONE, LIKE MAYBE A DIFFERENT COLORS APPROPRIATE. AND SO YOU ALL HAVE THE DISCRETION ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. DECIDE IF A A SPECIFIC COLOR IS APPROPRIATE FOR OUR PROPERTY. SO ANOTHER QUESTION , UH, THIS ONE FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER A LIGHTER COLOR? UH, YES MA'AM. MY, MY FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE THE H BRONZE. THE OTHER COLOR THAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS MORE OF A, IT'S CALLED A CHAMPAGNE COLOR. IT'S MORE OF AN, IT'S A LIGHTER COLOR, ALMOST LIKE A GOLDISH COLOR TO WHERE IT'S NOT SO BRIGHT LIKE THE THE STANDARD SILVER WOULD OR THAT THAT WOULD, UH, I COULD SEE IF I COULD GET AN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO, UH, DO YOU HAVE GET AN EXAMPLE? UH, IF YOU PUT CHAMPAGNE METAL ROOF, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, IT LOOKS LIKE A BRIGHTER GOLD, BUT AS IT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE TREES AND THE SAP AND IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE MORE OF LIKE A, JUST LIKE A BRONZY, NOT BRONZY GOLD, BUT LIKE A GOLD-ISH. IT LOOKS MORE MATTED. OH, YES MA'AM. YES MA'AM. LIKE THAT ONE, I THINK SHE'S GONNA PUT UP A PICTURE SIT LIKE THIS. SO DEPENDING ON HOW THE SUN LOOKS AT IT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CHAMPAGNE. IT'S CALLED CHAMPAGNE, BUT IT'S KIND OF A GOLDISH COLOR. AND THEN IT, UH, IF I MAY, I, I THINK THE CHAMPAGNE COLOR ONE MIGHT SHOW THE PECAN STAINS MORE READILY. YY YES. AND I, I HAVE A BIG PECAN TREE. I ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, A NEIGHBOR OR AN EXAMPLE IF YOU WANNA SEE WHAT THE CHAMPAGNE LOOKS ON AN IDENTICAL HOUSE, I CAN TELL YOU AN ADDRESS AND WE COULD SHOW YOU THE CHAMPAGNE COLOR ON A, A STONE COTTAGE HOME AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IF YOU LOOK UP, UH, 1 0 3, NO, I'M SORRY, 1 0 3 IS MY 1 0 2 EAST HERMOSA. THESE HOUSES WERE ALL BUILT BY THE SAME BUILDER IN THE THIRTIES AND FORTIES. A HC THORMAN. BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, IT'LL BE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IF YOU GO TO THE, BACK TO THE STREETERS, I THINK IF THERE'S, THERE'S OPENNESS TO A, A PALETTE OF COLORS, THEN WE JUST NEED A SIMPLE ACTION. AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN CHOOSE THE FINAL COLOR AND PRESENT THAT TO STAFF UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC COLOR THAT IS NOT APPROVED THAT YOU WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE MOTION. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT, IF WE WANTED TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO JUST GO WITH THIS COLOR THAT HE'S SHOWING IN THE EXAMPLE WITH THE AUDI IN THE DRIVEWAY, WHAT CAN MOTION, THE MOTION COULD BE APPROVED TO SUBMIT A OKAY, I'M READY. I AGREE. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION PLEASE. CAN I JUST CLARIFY, UM, ON, ON THE RECORD WE HAVE OTHER STANDARD STIPULATIONS. HAS THE APPLICANT CONCURRED WITH THE YES, WE WERE JUST HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE COLOR. PERFECT. SO I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. CAN I JUST READ THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE REQUEST IN OUR PAPERWORK WHICH CITES A SPECIFIC COLOR? CORY, CAN I INCLUDE THAT IN MY MOTION? OF COURSE. OKAY. OKAY, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 2 4 4. UM, GRANTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF IN THE COLOR H BRONZE FOR 2 6 3 WEST HERMOSA DRIVE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IS ALLOWING THE COLOR, THE APPLICANT WANTED THE BRONZE. OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. DAVIS. AYE FLORES? AYE. GARCIA NAY ARD? NAY SETZER AYE. P*****K AYE. VASQUEZ [00:40:02] AYE. AND SEPULVEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SIR. UM, I HAVE MR. OLIVAREZ FROM THE PREVIOUS CASE ON ROSEWOOD. UM, WE'LL GIVE IT ONE SECOND. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE ARE BACK ON ITEM NUMBER, OH GOSH. ITEM 6 3 44 WEST ROSEWOOD. MR. OLIVAREZ, ARE YOU THERE? HI, GOOD MORNING. YES I AM. OKAY, GOOD MORNING. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT YOUR REQUEST TO THE COMMISSIONERS? IT'S ALREADY BEEN READ INTO THE RECORD, I THINK YOU SAW THAT. SO JUST EXPLAIN KIND OF YOUR REASONING BEHIND THE REQUEST. YES SIR. SO PROBABLY BACK ON DECEMBER OF THIS PAST YEAR, I ACTUALLY HAD A, UH, A CAR COME INTO MY FRONT LAWN. IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT A FOOT AWAY FROM MY, MY DOORSTEP. SO THANKFULLY NOBODY WAS, WAS HURT ON, ON EITHER SIDE. UM, THE ONLY THING IS I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE I GOT NO PROTECTION ON THAT SIDE ADJACENT TO UH, SAN PEDRO AND IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM A BUS STOP. SO WE DO GET QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES BACK AND FORTH. UH, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK ALONG MY SIDE, BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THE PEOPLE TEND TO GET OFF AND THEY TEND TO WALK ALL ALONG THE SIDE OF MY PROPERTY RIGHT THERE. I'VE EVEN HAD SOME PEOPLE COME INTO MY FRONT YARD, WHICH IS KIND OF ALARMING. UM, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS. UM, ACTUALLY THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND ME DOES HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE, UM, IN THE FRONT YARD THAT ACTUALLY ADDS SOME, SOME PRIVACY. AND IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN SAN PEDRO, HE IS NOT THE ONLY HOUSE THAT HAS IT, BUT THERE'S LIKE TWO OR THREE MORE HOUSES THAT YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF PROTECTION FROM SAN PEDRO. SO I WAS JUST LOOKING TO KIND OF CLEAN UP THE BUSHES A LITTLE BIT, BUT WITH CLEANING UP THE BUSHES, I I NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF PROTECTION OR PRIVACY RIGHT THERE. JUST, JUST FOR, JUST FOR PEACE OF MIND AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, AND MAYBE CLAUDIA YOU CAN CLARIFY. SO IT'S A FRONT YARD FENCE AND BECAUSE THE ADDRESS IS ON SAN PEDRO, YOU VISUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE A SIDE YARD FENCE IS THAT'S THE REQUEST RIGHT ALONG SAN PEDRO AVENUE? CORRECT. BUT HE ALSO WANTS TO INCLUDE THE FRONT YARD AS WELL. OKAY. THE FRONT ONE WITH THE, OKAY, BECAUSE ALRIGHT, SO, SO WE TECHNICALLY HAVE A REQUEST. THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THE PAPERWORK WAS TO EXTEND THE SIX FOOT SOLID SCREEN ALONG SAN PEDRO AND SEPARATELY THE, UM, HORIZONTAL SLAT FENCE ALONG ROSEWOOD. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. SO IT WOULD BE A COMPLETE FRONT YARD FENCE AND IT'S DROPPED DOWN TO FIVE FEET. UM, I THINK, I BELIEVE CORRECTLY THE PROPERTY'S OWNER'S MAIN CONCERN WAS SAN PEDRO BECAUSE OF THE, THE FOOT TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING THROUGH. ADDITIONALLY, THE REGULAR TRAFFIC. UM, BUT YES, THIS IS TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE FRONT YARD FENCE AT FIVE FEET. BUT ARE THE, SO THEY'RE THE SAME STYLE FENCE, IS THAT NO. I'LL, I'LL PUT UP AN EXAMPLE SO YOU CAN HAVE AN IDEA. THANK YOU. SORRY. SO A FENCE LIKE THIS IS TO BEING REQUESTED WITH A WHITE FENCE WITH THE VERTICAL, UM, POSTS AND THE HORIZONTAL SLATS TO WRAP AROUND THE FRONT YARD AT FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT. BUT IS THAT WITHOUT THE, THE GAPS LIKES LIKE PICTURE FROM WHAT I, FROM THE DESCRIPTION AND THE, THE FILE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S JUST, I'M SORRY. IT TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT WOULD BE LIKE THE BROWN TYPE FENCE. SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT EQUIVALENT TO MY NEIGHBOR'S BEHIND ME WHERE IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME STYLE FENCE, THE, THE PICKET VERTICAL FENCE, JUST LIKE THAT. BUT IT'LL GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE SAN PEDRO, UM, TO THE FRONT YARD, BUT IT'S BOARD RIGHT ALONG BOARD WITHOUT THE GAPS. RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? Y YES, CORRECT. DO YOU, SO THAT WOULD EXTEND BEYOND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME? YES, CORRECT. IT'LL BE EXACTLY LIKE MY NEIGHBOR'S BEHIND ME ON HOLLYWOOD WHERE THEY HAVE A, I THINK THINK IT'S A CONCRETE FENCE. IS THERE ANY, I HAD, I HAD A PICTURE ON THERE. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, YES. SO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR STAFF IS TO NOT APPROVE THIS REQUEST, BUT IF OUR BODY DECIDES TO APPROVE IT, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS NO MORE THAN FOUR FEET. IS THAT A CORRECT SUMMATION? THAT'S CORRECT. UM, ADDITIONALLY, MONTE VISTA DOES NOT TECH, YOU GENERALLY HAVE FRONT YARD FENCES. SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE ALSO NOT APPROVING [00:45:01] THE RECOMMEND, THE REQUEST. UM, BUT OUR STANDARD STIPULATION IN ALL FENCE REQUESTS IS AT THE HEIGHT BE A MAXIMUM AT FOUR FEET. CLAUDIA, CAN YOU PULL UP, UH, 3 43 WEST HOLLYWOOD. UM, SO GO TO THE SAN PEDRO SIDE. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT HE'S REQUESTING. AND SO IT WOULD BE A, LIKE A PRIVACY SCREEN THAT COMES KIND OF HALFWAY INTO THE FRONT YARD SPACE. UM, SO A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ARE JUST THE GUIDELINES FOR FRONT YARD FENCING AND THERE'S A HEIGHT THAT'S KIND OF RECOMMENDED. UM, THE, THE CODE ACTUALLY ALSO REQUIRES THAT FRONT YARD FENCING BE PREDOMINANTLY OPEN AND TRANSPARENT BECAUSE THAT ALSO, UH, LEADS INTO THE CONCERN ABOUT, UH, TRAFFIC VISIBILITY. SO IF YOU'RE PULLING FROM ROSEWOOD ONTO SAN PEDRO, CAN YOU SEE AROUND THAT WALL? AND CURRENTLY WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ARE NO FRONT YARD FENCING OR THERE, THERE ARE FEW FOR, UH, FRONT YARD FENCING. SO ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK THERE ARE NONE. THIS, ON THIS PARTICULAR PORTION OF ROSEWOOD, THERE ARE NO FRONT YARD FENCES. UM, AND I JUST WANNA PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT CORY WAS SAYING ABOUT THE VISIBILITY. THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY ON AN ELEVATED, UM, P LIKE BERM. SO WE JUST WANNA TAKE THAT ALSO INTO CONSIDERATION. SO ONE OF OUR MAIN CONCERNS IS THE PUBLIC VISIBILITY. IS THAT CORRECT FOR TRAFFIC? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND AGAIN, IT IS A RAISED BERM ALREADY. CORRECT. OKAY. BUT I ALSO DON'T, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT THAT IS A REVIEW AND DECISION THAT HAPPENS WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE FENCE PERMIT. SO WE'RE REALLY NEED A RECOMMENDATION ON THE DESIGN AND WHETHER SOMETHING THAT IS SOLID AND TALL IN THE FRONT YARD IS APPROPRIATE HERE. UM, THAT TRAFFIC REVIEW WILL HAPPEN IF THIS IS APPROVED. AND, AND JUST ONE MORE THING TO CLARIFY. SO, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT ALONG SAN PEDRO TO CONTINUE THE REQUEST IS TO CONTINUE THAT SOLID SCREEN PRIVACY FENCE AT FIVE FEET, BUT THEN ON ROSEWOOD THERE'S ANOTHER, IS THERE THE HORIZONTAL, THE HORIZONTAL SLAT FENCE THAT'S MENTIONED IN OUR REQUEST IN OUR PAPERWORK, IS THAT GOING ALONG ROSEWOOD? SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT, OR THAT IS NOT, WHERE, WHERE WOULD THE HORIZONTAL SLAT ONE GO? SO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS TO BE A HORIZONTAL SLAT. OKAY. I'M LEARNING TODAY THAT IT'S VERTICAL. OKAY, GOTCHA. OKAY, NO PROBLEM. UH, I'M SORRY FOR THE MISC CLARIFICATION. I, I WAS JUST LOOKING TO PUT SOMETHING UP FOR A, A BARRIER THERE. UM, THE, THE FRONT YARD FENCE I, I CAN DO AWAY WITH. IT'S, IT'S JUST THE ADJACENT PART RIGHT NEXT TO SAN PEDRO IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. I FEEL LIKE THE, THE WHITE PICKET FENCE IS NOT GONNA DETER ANYBODY FROM JUMPING OVER IT OR STILL GETTING RIGHT THERE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THE SAME PRIVACY AS MY OTHER NEIGHBORS DO. HAVING LITTLE KIDS AND EVERYTHING, BEING ABLE TO PLAY IN THE FRONT YARD WITHOUT HAVING SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, COME ACROSS MY FRONT YARD LOOKING FOR SOMETHING OR, OR JUST TRYING TO, TRYING TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. 'CAUSE I AM ADJACENT TO THAT BUS STOP RIGHT THERE. AND I CAN TELL YOU THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WALK ACROSS THE STREET AND JUST WALK ALL OVER MY FRONT FRONT YARD. AND MR. OLIVARES ARE IS, DO YOU WANT IT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SIDEWALK? WHAT, WHAT'S THE LIMITS OF OH, WHERE THAT FENCE, OH, I'M SORRY. I I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT TO WHERE THOSE FRONT BUSHES WERE AT AND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE OLD GATE THERE RIGHT UP AS YOU GET TO THE WALKWAY. UM, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE ADJACENT TO THAT. SO IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE, TO THE SIDEWALK NOW. IT WAS, IT WOULD JUST BE TO THAT FRONT PORTION IS KIND OF LIKE HOW HOLLYWOOD HAS IT. THE BACK NEIGHBOR WHERE IT'S ONLY LIKE MAYBE THREE QUARTERS OF A FENCE GOING TO THE FRONT YARD BECAUSE I, I KNOW AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN EYESORE, BUT I JUST WANT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF PRIVACY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, AS AN ALTERNATIVE, WOULD YOU CONSIDER MAYBE A ROW OF SHRUBBERY, UH, UH, SOME SORT OF PLANT FEATURE THAT WOULD REPLACE THE WOODEN FENCE? IT MIGHT BE VISUAL, MORE VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE. I, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE MM-HMM. . I, I AGREE. THE THING IS, I HAD BUSHES THERE, SO AS YOU CAN TELL THERE'S BIG GAPS BECAUSE A CAR CAME IN AND ACTUALLY, UH, LANDED ON TOP OF MY FRONT YARD. SO IT TOOK OUT A WHOLE PORTION OF 'EM. SO YEAH, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT, RIGHT THERE, IT LITERALLY CAME RIGHT ABOVE THAT CORNER AND LANDED IN THE FRONT. SO AT THIS POINT, AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SHRUBS, THE CLARITY ON ROSEWOOD IS NOT VERY GOOD AS FAR AS GETTING OUT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE PROBLEM THE BUSHES DO. SO I WAS LOOKING TO CLEAN IT UP AND ACTUALLY PUT A FENCE THERE. SO [00:50:01] IT'S NOT ONLY BENEFICIAL FOR ME, BUT FOR MY NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY USING THAT STREET COMING OUTTA SAN PEDRO. I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY HARD JUST TO GET OUT JUST FROM THE, THE, THE BUSHES ALONE. SO I, I WAS JUST TRYING TO ADD A FENCE JUST SO IT'S EASIER TO GET OUT. AND THEN FOR PRIVACY AS WELL, I'D LIKE, UH, TO ALSO MAKE A COMMENT. UM, AND THAT IS THAT I TOO BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT SOME KIND OF BARRIER THERE, A FISCAL BARRIER, UH, WITH LANDSCAPING. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO PUT IN MAYBE, UM, SOME KIND OF LOW HEIGHT PLANTER BOX ALONG THAT SIDE, MAYBE OUT OF UM, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF STONE OR SOMETHING. BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT LEVELING THAT PART OF YOUR SITE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DESIGN SOMETHING OR SOMEBODY WHO JUST UNDERSTANDS LANDSCAPING IN GENERAL, I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT, YEAH, THAT'S A DANGEROUS SLOPE RIGHT THERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT HAVING A PRIVACY FENCE THERE IS NOT GONNA STOP A CAR FROM COMING THROUGH AND ONTO YOUR PROPERTY. SO, UM, AND I TRY AND AVOID, UH, EXITING FROM MONTE VISTA ONTO SAN PEDRO ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THERE ARE FENCES AND THAT'S, IT'S A FAST MOVING TRAFFIC STREET AND THERE IS BLOCKED VISIBILITY FROM THESE KINDS OF FENCES. UM, NOT TO MENTION THAT, UM, GIVEN THAT YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS. I REALLY DO. BUT, UM, I DON'T FIND IT TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD TO PUT, UH, THAT KIND OF PRIVACY FENCE THERE. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL. THAT'S, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I JUST WANT TO GET SOMETHING UP IF IT'S SO BE IT WITH THE WHITE PICKET FENCE, I CAN DO THE WHITE PICKET FENCE, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. HOW THE OTHER NEIGHBOR HAS IT. I JUST, JUST FOR A PEACE OF MIND OUT OF, YOU KNOW, MY OWN AND PEOPLE ELSE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE THERE AS WELL. SMALL CHILDREN. I JUST WANT SOME TYPE OF PRIVACY THERE. AND IF IT'S A OPEN TICKET FENCE, I'VE SEEN OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE CORNER THAT, THAT HAVE LIKE A SEE-THROUGH FENCE, NOT LINE THAT EXACTLY LIKE A CHAIN LINK FENCE. BUT I, THERE WAS A BLACK, A BLACK FENCE THAT HAD A BUNCH OF HOLES IN IT. I'M NOT TOO SURE WHICH ONE IT IS, BUT IT WAS ABOUT TWO STREETS DOWN AND IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE ESTATE. UM, I'M, I'M WILLING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, IT'S, I JUST WANTED TO GET A SOLUTION TODAY RATHER THAN SHRUBS THAT, THAT WAS MY MAIN POINT FOR TODAY. I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. JUST ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR. SO GO AHEAD. HAD THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR A FOUR FOOT TALL, UH, WOOD PRIVACY FENCE SOLID SCREEN, LIKE IT, WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT'S OUT. NO, THIS IS IN MONTE VISTA, PART IN THE FENCE POLICY. MONTE VISTA IS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT'S LISTED AS NOT HAVING A FRONT YARD FENCE. OKAY. BUT I DO THINK THIS IS REALLY, THIS IS HERE TODAY. I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO, UM, APPROVE A STIPULATIONS THAT A FENCE BE OPEN AND DESIGNED AND NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT, IF YOU ARE OPEN TO A SHORTER, MORE OPEN DESIGN FOR A PORTION OF THE FRONT YARD, THEN THAT COULD BE DONE TODAY. UM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT COULD WORK WITH DSD ON THE TRAFFIC QUESTION IF, TO SEE IF THERE'S A CONFLICT THERE. BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT AS AN OPTION AND A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT THEN WOULD BE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO FRONT YARD FENCE, IT WOULD JUST BE A SIDE FENCE ALONG SAN PEDRO, CORRECT? CORRECT. IF THAT WAS THE STIPULATION. RIGHT. IT'S JUST THE, TECHNICALLY THE FRONT YARD IS SAN PEDRO, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE ADDRESS IS SAN PEDRO. IT'S, UM, ROSEWOOD, BUT SAN PEDRO IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE. I BELIEVE IT RUNS ON THE WEST SIDE. GOTCHA. COURT, ONE MORE TIME THAT WE COULD RECOMMEND A FOUR FOOT TRANSPARENT FENCE FOR THE SAN PEDRO SIDE, THOUGH THAT COULD BE INCLUDED AS A STIPULATION AND A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO ADD A COMMENT. UM, UH, THIS IS MY DISTRICT. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS CORON AND WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND I'M PRETTY SENSITIVE TO SAN PEDRO. IT'S A REALLY, REALLY CHALLENGING STREET ON OUR BORDER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MONTE VISTA. IN FACT, WE HAVE A CASE LATER ON, I THINK AFTER THIS ON SAN PEDRO, JUST FURTHER NORTH OF HERE, UH, CROSSING ANOTHER HISTORIC AREA. SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE CONSIDER TO BE AS [00:55:01] FLEXIBLE AS WE CAN WITH THIS APPLICANT BECAUSE IT IS A REALLY, REALLY CHALLENGING ALL OF THESE STREETS. UH, EVEN GOING SOUTH, UH, LINE OF SIGHT IS A CHALLENGE. TRAFFIC'S A CHALLENGE. PRIVACY'S A CHALLENGE. SAFETY'S A REALLY CHALLENGE. THERE'S, THERE ISN'T EVEN A SIDEWALK ALONG HERE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WALK THERE REGULARLY. AND SO IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE THAT I FEEL, UH, MIGHT WARRANT A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, FLEXIBILITY ON, ON OUR COMMISSION'S PART. SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT WE KEEP THAT IN MIND AND MAYBE GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH STAFF ON COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION. UM, AND THEN I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE FOREFOOT, UH, IF WE WANT TO PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE. MADAM CHAIR, I, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO DENY THE APPLICATION FOR A FRONT YARD FENCE. SO THE MOTION IS NO FRONT YARD FENCE, DENY FRONT YARD FENCING. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, CLARIFICATION THAT THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF, OF THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE? AND SO I I BUT HE'S ONLY ASKING FOR FRONT YARD. NO. RIGHT. BUT WHAT COREY WAS STATING EARLIER IS THAT WE DO HAVE FLEXIBILITY FOR CONSIDERATION. SO IF YOU WANTED TO SAY, UM, A STIPULATION TO INCLUDE ONLY SAN PEDRO SIDE OR ONLY THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED AND COULD BE CONSIDERED AS A STIPULATION. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DENY THE WHOLE FRONT YARD FENCE. YOU CAN PARTIALLY APPROVE OF A PARTIAL TYPE OF SCREENING. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SAYING DENY FRONT YARD FENCING, BUT APPROVE THE ROSEWOOD. THAT IS UP TO YOU ALL. YOU ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE, UM, THOSE STIPULATIONS ADDED. UH, THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE WOULD LIKE FOR THERE TO BE A FENCE ALONG SAN PEDRO, WHICH IS A SIDE YARD FOR THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS A FENCE ALONG THE FRONT, WHICH IS ON ROSEWOOD. SO, UM, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, A DENIAL FOR BOTH? YES. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING TOO. YES. I'M SEEKING A DENIAL FOR BOTH SAN PEDRO AND ROSEWOOD AS IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SOMETHING OF A VIEW PROBLEM FOR ANYONE TURNING FROM ROSEWOOD ONTO, UH, SAN PEDRO. MR. OLIVAREZ? YEAH, THERE, THERE IS A HOUSE, UM, ACTUALLY IT'S HOLLYWOOD AND I THINK THE NEXT ONE I THINK IS LINWOOD. IT'S A RATHER LARGE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT EVEN ON SAN PEDRO, BUT IT'S ON THE INNER SIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. AND THAT ONE HAS A FRONT YARD FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND. NOW IT'S NOT FIVE FEET, BUT IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S A SEE-THROUGH BLACK FENCE AND IT IS IN THE FRONT YARD. IT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND. NOW THAT HOUSE IS PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR TIMES THE SIZE OF MY HOUSE. SO I, AGAIN, I WAS JUST, I KNOW Y'ALL SAY, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO GO WITH THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE AREA, WHATEVER LOOKS GOOD AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. BUT I, I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE OVERLOOKED BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A, A FOUR OR $5 MILLION HOUSE. AND, YOU KNOW, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE I'M ON SAN PEDRO'S SIDE, I FEEL LIKE THE NECESSITY OF HAVING SOME TYPE OF PRIVACY WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT THAN HAVING SOMETHING ON THE OTHER SIDE. UM, AND I KNOW THAT HOUSE WAS REDONE RECENTLY, HAD IT BEEN THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, AND THEY DO HAVE A FRONT YARD FENCE. 'CAUSE I, I, I WALK BY THERE ALL THE TIME. UM, SO MR. BOLIVAR, WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE THE HOME? THIS WAS 2000. IT WAS DURING COVID. OKAY. 2019. AND YOU UNDERSTOOD IT IS ON A CORNER LOT? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, JUST ONE MORE COMMENT. UM, YEAH. ONE MORE COMMENT. UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK IT IS THE JOB OF THIS COMMISSION TO CONSIDER APPLICATIONS ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN [01:00:01] ISSUES THAT ARE NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS OTHERS WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE'RE TASKED TO DO. UM, SO HAVING HEARD, UH, BOTH THE APPLICANT AND, UM, A COUPLE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TALK ABOUT THIS, UM, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT, UM, THAT IT'S NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS MAYBE IT WOULD APPEAR TO BE AND THAT MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT, UH, AMENDING THE MOTION TO NOT APPROVE A FRONT YARD FENCE, BUT TO CONSIDER MAYBE, UM, HAVING THE APPLICANT WORK WITH, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE TO COME UP WITH, UM, A DESIGN IN A MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT AREA. I ALREADY KNOW THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO DEAL WITH THE VISIBILITY ISSUES. UM, SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A SECOND. SO THE MOTION FIRST WOULD NEED TO DIE. OKAY. OR BE, OR BE REMOVED. SO I'M WILLING TO PULL THE MOTION, BUT HELP ME CLARIFY. SO YOU'RE HOPING TO HAVE FENCING IN THE FRONT YARD? WELL, IT IS TECHNICALLY IN THE FRONT YARD BECAUSE IT'S IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACADE. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT IT WOULD BE FOR THAT AREA ALONG SAN PEDRO, UM, UNTIL YOU GET TO, UM, SOME POINT CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK. WELL, IT COULD EVEN BE FARTHER BACK THAN THAT. RIGHT? IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY TO THE SIDEWALK. IT COULD COME. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WITH, UH, COLLABORATION WITH, UH, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE. MR. OLIVAREZ, UH, I HAVE A COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ONE MORE TIME. POINT OF ORDER PLEASE. MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER THAT SIR LIVES LIVES I POINT AN ORDER PLEASE. SORRY, MR. OLI IS THIS YES MA'AM. IF YOU WERE GIVEN THE OPTION TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THE, TO THE CT, TO OUR, TO OUR OUR COMMISSION, WOULD YOU WORK WITH THIS, WITH THE, WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO COME WITH A BETTER DESIGN? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DENY YOU BECAUSE BASED ON ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, I HAVE TO CONCUR WITH HER. IT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. AND THOUGH WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU, WE ALSO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE HISTORIC SOCIETY AND THEIR GUIDELINES. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD COME BACK BASICALLY TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO COME UP WITH A, A MUTUAL AGREEMENT? YEAH. YES MA'AM. OF COURSE. AND I'M, I'M ALL UP FOR WORKING WITH Y'ALL. I JUST DIDN'T WANNA A FLAT NOTE TO BE HONEST, MADAM CHAIR. AND I'D LIKE TO ASK ONE MORE QUESTION. MR. LAVAR, THE FENCE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, IS IT HORIZONTAL, LIKE THE WHITE ONE THAT WAS, UM, IN THE PICTURE EARLIER, AND IS IT BOARD RIGHT AGAINST BOARD OR IS THERE OPENINGS IN BETWEEN? UH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WANTED THE, THE PRIVACY ONE. BUT I MEAN, GIVEN THE FACT THAT Y'ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT NEEDS TO FIT IN AT, AT THIS POINT, I, I'M WILLING TO GO WITH Y'ALL'S OPINION TO BE HONEST, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA LOOK GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AT LEAST HELP ME OUT A LITTLE BIT. SEE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HORIZONTAL AND UH, BOARD AGAINST BOARD THAT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, THE STYLE OF THE HOME. UH, A LITTLE TOO MODERN FOR, UH, THE STYLE. CLAUDIA, WOULD IT, AT THIS POINT, WHAT WOULD YOU REFERENCE US OR COREY? BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S GETTING TOO LONG. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EXCEEDING ABLE TO REQUEST A FENCE THAT HAS NO TALLER THAN FOUR FEET AND IS PREDOMINANTLY OPEN IN THE DESIGN. I DON'T THINK HE'S PROPOSING HORIZONTAL. UM, SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE VERTICAL SLATS. UM, BUT THAT DESIGN COULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF AND PER OUR UPDATED GDC IS ELIGIBLE FOR A 10 DAY ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE ALSO REVIEWED AND VERIFIED BY DSD FOR THE TRAFFIC CONCERN. SO WHAT WOULD YOU NEED FROM US SO I'LL RETRACT MY MOTION AND ALLOW MY COLLEAGUE, OR TO GO AHEAD WITH ONE. SO WITH THE MOTION BEING RETRACTED OR REMOVED, WE WOULD NEED A NEW ORDER, A NEW RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. I NEED TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I THINK WHERE IT'S GOING IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT DEFENSE NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AND IS PREDOMINANTLY OPEN AND TERMINATE AT THE CORNER OF THOSE BUSHES AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, [01:05:02] WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY BULLET I ON THE, IT'S ESSENTIALLY BULLET EYE AFTER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. CORRECT? LIKE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? CORRECT. AND THEN THERE'S A BULLET EYE. ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE REPEATING IS BULLET EYE. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. IF YOU WANNA PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN, CLAUDIA, SO IT'S THERE FOR REFERENCE. MOTION COULD JUST BE APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. GO FOR IT. . I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS APPLICANT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL. VOTE DAVIS. AYE. FLORES. AYE. GARCIA. AYE. REGARD? AYE. SETZER. AYE. P*****K. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT C TTAB CASE NUMBER, UH, 2024 DASH 2 32 17 10 SOUTH ST. MARY STREET. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. TWO. ONE. REPLACE THE HISTORIC FRONT DOOR WITH A CONTEMPORARY STYLE DOOR. TWO. REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH DECKING. THREE. REPLACE THE EXISTING NATURAL TURF IN THE FRONT YARD WITH WHITE ROCK. FOUR. MODIFY THE FRONT FACING WINDOW PANES TO FEATURE A MIRRORED FINISH. STAFF RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACE THE FRONT, THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR WITH AN ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT. THE APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE STAFF WITH EITHER A PHOTO OR A PRODUCT DESCRIPTION OF THE REPLACEMENT DOOR PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCES OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A AND D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL PORCH DECKING MADE OF WOOD THAT FEATURES A ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE PROFILE WITH A PITCH TO ALLOW WATER RUNOFF TOWARDS THE FRONT YARD. DECKING MUST BE INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE ADJACENT WALL PLANE. ITEM THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A AND E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL PLANTINGS WITHIN THE FRONT YARD AND SUBMIT TO STAFF AS A LANDSCAPE SITE PLAN REFLECTING A MINIMUM OF 50% GREEN COVERAGE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REMOVE THE ROCKS OVER THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAYS IN ITEM FOUR. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR BASED ON FINDINGS A AND F STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REMOVE THE EXISTING MIRROR FILM OR IF THE WINDOW PANE HAS BEEN REPLACED. INSTALL A CLEAR WINDOW PANE. THE APPLICANT'S REALTOR, OLGA FLORES IS HERE IN PERSON. THERE'S ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW. AND MS. FLORES, IF YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND ALSO WALK THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S REQUEST THE MICROPHONE. OH, INTO THE MICROPHONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HI. UM, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? UM, SO YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO WALK THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH THE REQUEST. ALRIGHT. UM, WHAT HE REALLY WANTS TO DO IS KEEP THE, THE DECKING ON THE PORCH BECAUSE IT'S DURABLE AND HE DOESN'T HAVE TO REPLACE IT JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR OR EVERY OTHER YEAR. UM, AND HE'S OKAY WITH REMOVING THE, THE ROCKS FROM THE FRONT YARD AND, UM, PLANTING 50%, UM, GREENERY. UM, AND THE WINDOWS, UM, THE WINDOW, IT'S, IT'S FILM ON THERE, BUT THEY INSTALLED THE WRONG, THE WRONG KIND UHHUH, HE'S, HE'S WILLING TO REMOVE THAT AND, UH, HE DOES WANT FILM ON THERE BECAUSE THE SUN COMES IN REAL STRONG IN THE AFTERNOON. SO HE, HE, HE CAN GET, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MIRROR. OKAY. UM, WHAT ELSE? THE DOOR, IT'S HARD TO FIND A FRONT DOOR. HE WANTS TO KEEP THE DOOR AND THE PORCH FLOORING. OKAY. [01:10:03] WHAT ELSE? MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? GO AHEAD, SIR. BRIAN, WHAT IS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDING FOR THE DECKING? SURE. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS, UM, BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, STYLE OF THE HOME THAT A ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD DECKING BE INSTALLED. UM, THE CURRENT INSTALLATION OR WHAT'S CURRENTLY INSTALLED, UH, WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, LET ME TRY TO FIND A BETTER PHOTO. UM, RIGHT HERE, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, UM, UH, DECKING HERE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S NOTED THAT IT'S A COMPOSITE MATERIAL, SO NOT WOOD, AND IT APPEARS TO BE A, UH, TWO BY FOUR, UM, PROFILED, UH, DECKING INSTALLED. SO THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FIRST THREE REQUESTS, BUT, UM, IS NOT RECOMMENDING THE FOURTH ONE ABOUT THE, UM, COVER THE MIRROR COVERING, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH OUR STIPULATIONS. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO A FEW OF THOSE STIPULATIONS, HOWEVER, ITEM FOUR IS, YOU'RE CORRECT. WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR A MERE FINISH ON THE WINDOW. UH, THAT DOES NOT ADHERE TO GUIDELINES AS NOTED, AND I THINK IN FINDING F BUT THE DECKING THAT OH P'S RECOMMENDING IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT, FROM WHAT'S ON THERE. SO ESSENTIALLY SHE'D HAVE TO YANK WHAT'S THERE AND THEN REPLACE WITH SOMETHING ELSE? THAT IS CORRECT. SO THE DECKING WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THE, UH, GENERALLY STAFF RECOMMENDS ONCE A DECKING MATERIAL IS REMOVED, THAT IT BE EITHER REPAIRED IN KIND OR IF THE DAMAGE EXCEEDS 50%, THAT IT BE REPLACED IN KIND, UH, PHOTOS, UH, WHICH AREN'T HERE. BUT, UM, PHOTOS FROM PREVIOUS GOOGLE STREET IMAGES SHOW THAT, UM, PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF THIS NEW DECKING MATERIAL, THAT IT USED TO BE A ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE. CAN YOU SHOW US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IDEALLY, UM, SHOULD BE THERE OR WHAT OHP IS RECOMMENDING SHOULD BE THERE? SURE. JUST GIMME ONE SECOND. I, OKAY. SO THIS, I APOLOGIZE, IT'S JUST FROM GOOGLE, BUT, UM, THIS IS GENERALLY, UH, WOULD, UM, GENERALLY BE CLOSE TO WHAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND. SO THE INSTALLATION IS PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT WALL PLANE, UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ONE BY THREE, UH, PROFILES. SO ONE INCH HIGH BY, AND THIS IS ALL DIMENSIONAL, UM, BUT APPROXIMATELY THREE INCHES IN WIDTH. AND THEN HERE YOU COULD SEE THE TONGUE AND GROOVE, UM, UH, KIND OF HOW IT FITS, UM, THROUGH INSTALLATION. SO YOU HAVE THE, UM, THAT KIND OF REFLECTS THAT, UM, CONDITION. CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? UM, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING DECK, I THINK, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS UP ABOVE THE APPLICATION. BUT I THOUGHT THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO KEEP THE CURRENT DECK, THE, THE SPEAKER HERE TODAY. SO I'M, I'M CONFUSED. SURE, NO PROBLEM AT ALL. SO, UH, GENERALLY THE, THE WAY THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WRITTEN, UM, IS TO REFLECT, UM, IS TO BE WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY TO WHERE IF THE WORK, UM, HASN'T ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A VIOLATION. UM, SO, UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THAT'S WRITTEN. OKAY. RIGHT. SO IF, IF THE MOTION WERE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THIS DECKING AND INSTALL THE APPROPRIATE DECKING. GOT IT. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THEN, THAT IS TRUE FOR, UM, THE, WHAT IS IT, THE FIRST THREE, IT'S, THEY'RE ALL, YOU'RE APPRO, YOU'RE, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, BUT ONLY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO REPLACE EXISTING FEATURES, RIGHT? LIKE THE FRONT DOOR, YOU'RE SAYING YES, REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR, BUT YOU NEED TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE KIND, CORRECT, CORRECT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YES. REPLACE THE FRONT PORCH, BUT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS THE SAME OR SIMILAR. CORRECT. UM, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND THAT WAS THAT, UM, IF YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THIS WORK NEEDED TO HAVE APPROVAL FROM THE DIDN'T HISTORIC PRESERVATION. WELL, I DIDN'T DO IT, I'M JUST HERE FOR HIM. OH, OKAY. UH, [01:15:01] BUT I, HE, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND AND I TOLD HIM AFTERWARDS, YOU, YOU NEED TO DO A PERMIT. YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HE DID NOT KNOW. HE DID. HE DID KNOW. HE JUST DID IT. ALRIGHT. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU. OR MAYBE A CONTRACTOR TALKED HIM INTO IT, RIGHT? COULD BE. HE'S OLDER AND RIGHT. HE'S, RIGHT NOW HE'S DOING HIS BUCKET LIST, SO HE'S NOT HERE, BUT I, I TOLD HIM I WOULD COME AND, AND, UH, SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF AFTER LET THE HORSE OUT AFTER CLOSE THE DOOR AFTER THE HORSE GETS OUT. AFTER THE HORSE IS OUT. YEAH. AND THAT'S TOO BAD. BUT I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. I, I LOVE HISTORIC HOMES AND I, THAT'S WHY I WORK HERE AND I LIVE HERE. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING ON HIS BEHALF. OH, SURE. YEAH. I, I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE CAN LEARN, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF NOBODY HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CASE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. RO CAVO DAVIS. AYE. FLORES AYE. GARCIA? AYE. ARD AYE. ZER AYE. P*****K. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. AND AYE. MOTION CARRIES AND I'LL EMAIL YOU AND, UH, RIGGED TODAY WITHOUT THE EXPLANATION. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, HC TAB CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 3 8 49 50 SAND PAGER AVENUE. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. TWO ONE CONSTRUCTING APPROXIMATELY 751 SQUARE FOOT REAR CARPORT. TWO. REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT AND SIDE YARD FENCE WITH A WIRE MESH PANEL FENCE MEASURING APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. THREE. INSTALL ARTIFICIAL TURF AND RIVER STONES. FOUR. MODIFY THE EXISTING SITE WORK IS THE APPLICANT. OH, SORRY, JUST ONE SECOND. UM, ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS SETBACK STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND, AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A AND E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A DECORATIVE METAL FENCE AT THE FRONT YARD MEASURING NO MORE THAN FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A DECORATIVE METAL FENCE AT THE SIDE YARD BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE STRUCTURE MEASURING NO MORE THAN SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A AND F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED AT LEAST 50% NATURAL PLANTINGS WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE AND SUBMIT TO STAFF AND UPDATED SITE LANDSCAPE SITE PLAN. ITEM FOUR, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR BASED ON FINDINGS A AND G STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETURN THE SITE WORK TO ITS HISTORIC CONDITION. THE APPLICANT, MARIA MARIANO MOLINA IS HERE IN PERSON. AND MR. MOLINA, IF YOU WANT TO, UM, COME UP TO THE PODIUM, JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF, UH, WALK THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH YOUR REQUEST AND STAFF WILL, UM, UH, GO THROUGH SOME OF THE PHOTOS AND, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED. AND I PRESS, WHICH ONE DO I PRESS HERE? JUST TALKING. OH, WHERE? UM, YEAH. HI, I'M, I'M IN AND I'M MARIANA MOLINA AND I'M THE OWNER OF THE, UM, OF THE BUILDING. IT'S A, IT'S AN OLD HOUSE. IT WAS BUILT IN 51 AND, AND, AND THEY TURNED IT INTO AN OFFICE. I BOUGHT IT FROM AN ATTORNEY. CAROL BIRCH WAS, WAS ALREADY AN OFFICE AND THAT'S, YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S THE OLD FENCE THERE. SO SINCE I MOVED IN, I BOUGHT IT IN, UM, IN 21, SO ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. AND SINCE WE HAD MOVED IN, WE HAD, YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UM, UH, AN AND TAGGING THAT WAS REPAINTED, I THINK TWICE IN THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COMING IN AND, AND TAGGING WE HAD WITH OUR, WITH OUR CARS BROKEN INTO, I HAD, WITH A VEHICLE WITH THE CATALYTIC AND, AND, AND CONVERTERS STOLEN ALSO. WE HAD, WE HAD, UH, WE HAD, UH, PEOPLE COMING IN WHO WERE DRUGGED OUT. ONE, THERE WAS A MAN ABOUT ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO THAT HE WAS, UM, HE HAD, HE WAS TOTALLY, TOTALLY NAKED. HE WAS DEFECATING ON OUR PROPERTY AND ALL THAT. AND SO WE CALLED, WE HAD TO CALL WITH THE POLICE AND THERE'S A VIA BUS STOP RIGHT THERE TOO. JUST, JUST, JUST YESTERDAY THERE'S A VIA BUS STOP RIGHT THERE. AND JUST, UH, JUST YESTERDAY WE WERE, WE WERE WATERING THERE WITH THE PLANTS. AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS, THERE'S MAN THERE AND, AND, AND, AND, AND HE STARTED YELLING AT OUR, AT OUR SECRETARY SAYING THAT, UH, SHE WAS [01:20:01] GOING TO JAIL, THAT THE COPS WERE COMING FOR HER. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT LIKE A, YOU KNOW, FENCE FOR SECURITY. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THERE AND IT IS A SECURITY ISSUE. UM, WE HAD GONE WITH A DESIGN MASTER FENCE, WHICH IS VERY, VERY TRANSPARENT. UH, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY, VERY SEE-THROUGH AND IT'S A LOT LESS, LESS OBSTRUCTIVE OR BULKY THAN, UH, THAN A WROUGHT IRON FENCE. THE PREVIOUS WR IRON FENCE, IT WAS, IT WAS FALLING APART. IT WAS, UM, IT WAS RUST CORRODED THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE BROKEN PARTS AND THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD CLOSED OFF THE, THE FRONT ENTRANCE BECAUSE THE FRONT ENTRANCE NOW IS THROUGH SAN PEDRO. SO THAT'S JUST LIKE A BACKYARD ALMOST. AND THEN THE, UH, THE GRASS WITH ALL THE WATERING RESTRICTIONS WE HAVE, IT WAS, IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST WEEDS BASICALLY. AND, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIRT WAS ALL CRACKLED AND ALL THAT. SO WE, SO WE PUT SOME, SOME ARTIFICIAL TURF, WHICH, WHICH I THINK LOOKS, LOOKS NICER. AND THEN WE PUT THAT PAD IN THE MIDDLE, HOPING TO PUT MAYBE A BENCH OUT THERE OR SOMETHING. BUT IF THAT'S HISTORICALLY OBSTRUCTIVE, I CAN, I CAN TAKE THAT LIMESTONE OUT AND IF Y'ALL WANT, WE CAN PUT SOME PLANTINGS THERE. I CAN PUT SOME NATURAL, YOU KNOW, BUSHES AND MAYBE DO LIKE A DRIP IRRIGATION. SO, SO, SO IT'LL STAY GREEN. UM, SO MY REQUEST IS TO, TO KEEP THE FENCE, WHICH WAS PUT IT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN PRIVACY. I THINK IT LOOKS NICE AND IT'S, AND IT'S TRANSPARENT AND, AND IT'S NOT A CHAIN LINK FENCE. AND ALSO, SORRY. AND ALSO WITH ANOTHER THING, UH, THIS ONE HAS, HAS A TIGHT MESH. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, A, UH, A, UM, A NON CLIMB FENCE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE A PERSON'S FOOT CAN'T, CAN'T FIT IN THERE TO CLIMB IT, BUT ALSO KEEPS TRASH OUT BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY GETTING TRASH IN THERE FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM SAN PEDRO, FROM THE BUS STOP. WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING FROM, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, FROM CUPS TO BAGS TO EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THIS HELPS KEEP SOME THE TRASH OUT TOO. SO THAT'S, AND I HAVE A LITTLE DOG ALSO THAT THAT KEEPS THEM IN ALSO AS WELL. SO SIR, IS THIS MM-HMM. . IT WAS A, A BUSINESS AND THEN YOU ARE USING IT AS A RESIDENCE? NO, NO, NO. IT IS A BUSINESS. ALSO A BUSINESS. IT'S A BUSINESS TOO. OKAY. IT IS. WE, WE HAVE A, A, A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. WE DO MAINLY, UH, WELL IN DIFFERENT TIME OF CONSTRUCTION AS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR. AND THEN WE, UM, YEAH, SO SO THAT'S OUR OFFICE. THAT'S OUR OFFICE OUT THERE. MM-HMM, . AND THEN YOU ARE OPEN TO, UM, TO COMING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE 50%? I AM, I AM. SO, SO BY REMOVING THAT, THAT, THAT LIMESTONE PAD, STONE, WHATEVER, YEAH, I CAN PULL IT OUT. AND SO I WAS THINKING, AND IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE, IF YOU DON'T MIND THE ONE. SO, SO I WAS THINKING, UM, UM, YEAH, YEAH. UH, PUTTING LIKE LITTLE GARDENER, SEE THE LITTLE WIDE EDGING RIGHT THERE IN THE BACK WHERE THE, AGAINST THE BUILDING, PUTTING THAT EDGING THERE MAYBE. AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING PLANTS AND, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOME NICE, NICE, YEAH. JET SOME DROUGHT TOLERANT SHRUBBERY OR SOMETHING. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. JUST, JUST LITTLE SMALL SHRUBS OR SOMETHING THAT LOOK PRETTY THERE AND MAKE SOME FLOWERS OR SOMETHING. SO I THINK IT LOOKED NICE. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. CAN YOU RECOMMEND OR EXCUSE ME, NOT RECOMMEND, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR? IT SAYS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND. NUMBER FOUR RECOMMENDS THE SITE WORK BACK TO ITS HISTORIC, UH, CONDITION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE JUST A LITTLE BIT? SURE. SO, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE LAST CASE. THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ON THE SCREEN IS WORK THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT A, UM, WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM OUR OFFICE. BUT, UM, AS THE, UM, AS THE HISTORIC, AS THE STRUCTURE HAS HISTORICALLY FACED, UM, THE STREET RIGHT HERE YOU HAVE THE, UH, CONCRETE PAD INSTALLED, INSTALLED BY THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS THE STEPPING STONES, UH, WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, IS A RETURN TO ITS HISTORIC CONDITION, MEANING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD REMOVE THE CONCRETE PAD, UM, AND INSTALL OR REINSTALL THIS FRONT WALKWAY HERE OFF OF WEST WILDWOOD DRIVE. UM, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD, UH, IF THE APPLICANT'S WANTING TO ADD SOME TYPE OF STEPPING STONE OR, UM, SOME OTHER CONDITION WHERE THEY CAN WALK FROM THIS DRIVEWAY HERE, GENERALLY THAT CAN BE APPROVED AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. BUT, UM, THE, THE CRUX OF OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM FOUR WOULD BE THE RETURN OF THIS WALKWAY AND THE REMOVAL OF THE CONCRETE PAD. OKAY, THANK YOU. COULD I COMMENT ON THAT? IS THAT NO? YEAH. AND THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. YES, I THINK SO. IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A, WHEN I PURCHASED IT, IT WAS ALREADY CLOSED OFF. AND SO THAT, SO THAT WALKWAY, YOU KNOW, ONE, IT WAS, IT WAS ALL BROKEN UP. IT WAS, IT WAS AN OLD CONCRETE WALKWAY AND THERE WAS LIKE A, LIKE A TRIPPING GAP OF ABOUT ABOUT FOUR INCHES OR SO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PANELS WERE ALL RIGHT, BROKEN AND, AND, AND IT WAS CLOSED OFF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO FRONT ENTRANCE, SO JUST KIND OF WENT INTO THE FENCE, I GUESS. UM, SO, SO IF I DID DO PLANTERS HERE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF Y'ALL DO WANT THE CONCRETE GOING OUT, GOT TOWARDS THE SIDEWALK, I COULD GO FROM THE PLANTERS TO THE SIDEWALK. IF YOU WANT JUST A LITTLE STRIP IF YOU KNOW, AND THEN, AND THEN MAYBE DO A CONCRETE STRIP FROM THOSE LITTLE STEPS TO THE PLANTER THAT'S, [01:25:01] THAT WOULD SATISFY, YOU KNOW, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FENCE. UM, SO IT'S SIX FEET ON ED, SIX FEET ALL THE WAY AROUND CURRENTLY SIX FEET IN FAITH, CORRECT? NO, NO, SORRY. IT, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UH, FIVE FEET TALL. IT'S FIVE FEET TALL. YEAH. THERE'S A MISTAKE ON OUR END WHEN IT'S FIVE FEET WHEN WE SENT IT IN, BUT IT'S FIVE FEET TALL. OKAY. AND IS THAT, IS THE HEIGHT MEASURED BY THE TALLEST POST, I GUESS SUPPORTING A FENCE? IS THAT, IS THAT THE YEAH, THE HIGHEST PIECE STRUCTURE? YEAH. OKAY. SO ESSENTIALLY THE FIVE FEET ALONG SAN PEDRO, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS BUILT WITHOUT THE COA IS FINE IN HEIGHT, BUT FIVE FEET ON, UH, THAT'S WILDWOOD. YEAH, WILDWOOD, FIVE FEET ON WILDWOOD. THAT'S, IS THAT INCONSISTENT FOR THE FRONT YARD FENCE? SIMILAR TO THE CASE ON ROSEWOOD, WE, RIGHT. SORRY. SIMILAR TO THE CASE ON ROSEWOOD, WE CONSIDER ANY A FRONT YARD FENCE, ANY PORTION THAT COMES SURE. IN THE BE BEYOND THE FRONT WALL PLANE OF THE HOUSE. SO IT'S THE PART THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON SAN PEDRO AND THEN MAKES THE CORNER ON WILDWOOD. OKAY. YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A, A, UM, A VIA BUS STOP RIGHT THERE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS TOO. SURE THAT IT'S RIGHT ON, ON THAT PORTION. WELL, WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I GUESS I'M GOING WITH IT. UM, A LITTLE CONTEXT ON, UH, YEAH, DISTRICT ONE, THIS STRETCH OF SAN PEDRO, LOT OF CONVERSION FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL ALONG SAN PEDRO. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, IN THE BACKGROUND ON, WELL, I'M LOOKING AT AN IMAGE, BUT ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS WILDWOOD, IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A DENTIST OFFICE, AND SO CORRECT. IT, IT, THIS IS A HIGHLY TRAFFICKED HIGH SPEED ARTERIAL, UM, THIS STRETCH OF SAN PEDRO. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY A FENCE ALONG THEIR, UH, SAN PEDRO SIDE I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FROM A FLEXIBILITY STANDPOINT FOR THESE PROPERTY OWNERS, I THINK IS, IS GOOD FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT. AND A, UM, BUT THE FENCE HEIGHT, UM, ON THE LINWOOD SIDE, YOU KNOW, SEEMS, UH, A LITTLE HIGHER THAN IT SHOULD BE. BUT, UM, AGAIN, THE CARPORT, I, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES HERE TO WORK WITH THIS APPLICANT. YES, SIR. UM, I THINK THE ONLY THING WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CARPORT STAFF FINDS IT CONFORMS TO GUIDELINES. UM, THE LANDSCAPE, THE APPLICANT'S NOTED, HE'S WILLING TO, UH, MEET THAT 50% THRESHOLD. UM, AND ON THE SITE WORK, REMOVE THE PAD AND THE PAVERS. I ASSUME THAT ALSO ME RE MEANS REMOVING THE TURF. IS THAT A RE WOULD THAT BE A REQUIREMENT? SO STAFF IS, UH, OR THE TURF IS OKAY. WAS THE TURF OKAY. SO GENERALLY YES. SO THE STAFF IS, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UM, OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE TURF, SO LONG AS THAT, SO LONG AS THE APPLICANT IN INCORPORATES AT LEAST 50% GREENERY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, AND PROVIDES STAFF AN UPDATED SITE PLAN JUST SO THAT WE CAN, UM, VERIFY BY LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN. OKAY. UM, SIR, WOULD IT BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO LOWER THE FENCE TO FOUR FEET? I COULD SIDE, I COULD DO THAT, I COULD LOWER THAT AND YEAH. AND, AND THEN HAVE A LOWER TO A FOUR FOOT HEIGHT. YES, SIR. SIR, I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY SYMPATHIZE WITH THE SAN PEDRO SIDE BEING HIGHER GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF FOOT TRAFFIC AND YES SIR. VEHICLE TRAFFIC, THE BUS STOP. UM, SO, UH, I GUESS I, I, AT, WITHOUT REPEATING MYSELF FROM EARLIER, THIS IS ALSO ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE INTERESTING CASES WHERE YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU HAVE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE, UM, COMMERCIAL, UH, CORRIDOR OF SAN PEDRO. AND SO, YEAH, UM, I MEAN, I MEAN, I FEEL, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD THAT WITH THE LOWERING OF THE FENCE TO FOUR FEET ON THE LINWOOD SIDE, UM, AND MEETING THE 50% NATURAL PLANTING COVER THRESHOLD, THAT MAYBE WE COULD FIND A RESOLUTION HERE. THANK YOU, SIR. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. UM, AGAIN, I GUESS I ASKED THE LAST APPLICANT THIS, AND I'LL ASK YOU THIS. UH, DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NEEDED TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. FOR, FOR, FOR, UH, FOR, UH, FOR LANDSCAPING. IT WAS, IT WAS REQUIRED. IT WAS, IT WAS HISTORIC, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY IF I WAS ADDING ONTO THE, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL BUILDING, ADDING ANOTHER EXTENSION OR SOMETHING. I WASN'T AWARE THAT IT WAS, THAT LANDSCAPING WAS REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, UM, I SEE THIS AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, SIMILAR TO THE LAST CASE OF IT BEING A MATTER OF, UH, CLOSING THE BARN DOOR ONCE THE HORSE IS ALREADY OUT. YES, MA'AM. UM, AND I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE FENCE PER SE. I THINK THERE'S NICE TRANSPARENCY AND, UM, IN THIS AREA OF SAN PEDRO, I, I THINK IT COULD BE APPROPRIATE. YES, MA'AM. BUT, UM, I DO HAVE, UH, SOME ISSUE NEVERTHELESS WITH THE DESIGN MAINLY, I THINK BECAUSE [01:30:01] THIS AREA OF SAN PEDRO IS SO KIND OF HAPHAZARDLY COMMERCIAL. UM, AND I JUST FEEL THAT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CONTRIBUTE TO THE AESTHETIC NATURE OF THIS, OF, YOU KNOW, AL ALMOST TERRACE IN THIS AREA. UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE JUST A PERSONAL OPINION. UM, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I HAD TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. YES MA'AM. UM, ALONG WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING STAFF RECOMMENDS MYSELF. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, RECOMMENDATIONS, QUESTIONS? WELL, MR. MULLIN, I, YES MA'AM. FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA COMMEND YOU FOR STAYING IN THAT AREA AND CONTINUING THE REVENUE BECAUSE IT DOES STIMULATE OUR ECONOMY AND I KNOW WITH THE OBSTACLES THAT YOU'RE BEING FACED WITH THE HOMELESSNESS AND THE TRAFFIC AND THINGS, SO THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING TOO IS, UM, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. YEAH, I CAN TRY. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER ON THIS ONE SINCE THERE'S LIKE FOUR COMPONENTS. UM, IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF, OF APPROVING ALL, OR I MEAN, UH, AGREEING WITH ALL THE SAS RECOMMENDATIONS, COULDN'T THE MOTION JUST BE, UM, YOU MOVE TO ACCEPT ALL FOUR OF THE STAFFS RECOMMENDATIONS IF, IF YOU AGREE? YEAH. YEAH, I THINK THE ONLY EXCEPTION WAS THE, UM, REMAINING OR ALLOWING THE FIVE FOOT HEIGHT EXCEPTION ALONG SAN PEDRO. SO I GUESS THAT'S IT. I GUESS THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. I ALMOST MADE THE, THE, THE, UM, THE MOTION. SO I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT ALL THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ALLOWING THE EXISTING FIVE, EXISTING FIVE FOOT HEIGHT FENCE, THE FIVE FOOT FENCE HEIGHT ALONG SAN PEDRO SIDE, UH, AND NOT LINWOOD SIDE. DOES THAT WORK? YEAH, MAY, MAY I ASK SOMETHING? UH, WITH THE, THEY, THEY WERE, UH, UH, ASKING ALSO TO, UH, TO CHANGE, UH, TO DIFFERENT TYPE OF FENCE TO A WR IRON FENCE FROM, FROM THE DESIGN MASTER. COULD I KEEP THAT SAME FENCE IF I LOWER THE FRONT TO THE FOUR? IS IT, IS THAT PART YEAH, MY MOTION IS TO KEEP THE SAME FENCE. THANK YOU, SIR. I SECOND THE MOTION. THERE IS A, A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAN WE TAKE A ROLL CALL? VOTE DAVIS. AYE FLORES. AYE. GARCIA NAME? ARD. AYE. SETZER. AYE. P*****K. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. VELA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. WE HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. JUST CALL IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE. OKAY, GOOD. WE'RE OUT. 10 34. . 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