* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] FOR DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, [3:00 PM – Call to Order] AUGUST 7TH, 2024. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELAZQUEZ. HERE. GALLOWAY. HERE. MOOKA. HERE. AVADA. HERE. VAZQUEZ? HERE. CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE SOMEONE FOR TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE. WHEN I, THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS A ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITION. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIRE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR A REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED UPON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TIME. UM, I'M SORRY. SPEAKERS MAY SIGN ALSO TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMITS. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. UM, NO ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM US. I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE A NEW TEAM MEMBER, KAITLYN BROWN HAS JOINED US AND WILL, UH, JOIN US AT HDRC. SO YOU'LL BE SEEING HER, THE NEW SENIOR, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST. SO WELCOME KAITLYN. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE JUST NEED ACTION AND MEETING MINUTES FROM JULY 17TH. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR [ Approval of minutes for the HDRC meeting of July 17, 2024.] APPROVAL OF MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM JULY 17TH, 2024. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GIDA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER? YES. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. AT THIS TIME WE'LL TAKE [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] A LOOK AT THE ITEMS ON THE SCREEN. UM, WE HAVE 12 ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA TODAY. UM, WE [ Public Comments] ALSO HAVE, UH, VOICEMAILS RECEIVED FOR A FEW OF THOSE ITEMS. UM, I ALSO HAVE TWO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR ITEM ONE. SO WE'LL CALL THEM FIRST. UH, TONY GARCIA, MR. GARCIA WILL HAVE, UM, FOUR MINUTES. JOE TODD IS ALSO HERE, AND AS YOU'LL DO THIS TIME. THANK YOU, JOE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS TONY GARCIA. I LIVE AT 2 43 EAST ATCH HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY ALPHA HOME REQUIRES SOME DISCUSSION AND CLARIFICATION BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE WAS TO ENABLE THE CONTRACTOR EASIER ACCESS TO BUILD A RETAINING WALL TO ADDRESS A WATER RUNOFF PROBLEM. THIS IS CONFIRMED BY SEVERAL EMAILS, THE DRC MINUTES IN THE CITY'S FINDING. ITEM F FOUND IN THE CASE FILE. THE RETAINING WALL HAS BEEN BUILT, COMPLETED THIS EARLY SUMMER FROM THE HILLTOP TO THE CURB. SO WHY DO WE SEE THIS REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION WHEN THE PROBLEM HAS ALREADY ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED? THE [00:05:01] CITY'S FINDINGS, ITEM A C AND E STATE THAT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS CONTRIBUTED TO THE MONTH OF EAST HISTORIC DISTRICT AND EVEN WENT FURTHER BY STATING THAT THE STRUCTURE HAS MAINTAINED ITS HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE DESPITE THE CHANGES MADE TO IT. NO LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE HERE. THESE FINDINGS ARE THE BASIC FABRIC OF OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION EFFORTS. DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE WOULD BRING PUBLIC HARM TO HISTORIC SOUTH MONTE VISTA AND THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AN ESTIMATE OF $350,000 TO SUPPORT THEIR ARGUMENT FOR UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. BUT THIS ESTIMATE IS FOR A NEW BUILDING. IT IS NOT AN ESTIMATE FOR A RESTORATION, WHICH WOULD BE QUITE A BIT LESS. IN THE CASE FILE, ONE CAN SEE A BANK STATEMENT WITH A BALANCE OF OVER $232,000 FUNDS THAT WERE USED FOR RENOVATION OF THE ALPHA HOUSES AT 4 0 2 AND 4 0 6 ARE CAR CARLTON COURT, WHICH SIT IN FRONT OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THE ALPHA HOME WEBSITE SHOWS A FINANCIAL STATEMENT OF TOTAL ASSETS OF $2.6 MILLION AND AN RIRS FIGHTING SHOWING NET ASSETS OF $2.3 MILLION, BOTH DOCUMENTS ENDING FISCAL YEAR OF AUGUST 31ST, 2023. ONE WOULD THINK THAT AWFUL HOMES COULD FIND THE FUNDS TO RESTORE THE STRUCTURE TO ITS PREVIOUS OFFICE USES AS STORAGE AND OFFICE SPACE. UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP DOES NOT EXIST WITH THIS APPLICATION. THERE IS NO BASIS TO SUPPORT THE DEMOLITION OF THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE COMMISSION TO DENY THIS APPLICATION AND REQUEST ALPHA HOME TO FIND THE FUNDS TO RENOVATE THIS STRUCTURE TO AVOID A FUTURE OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. THANK YOU. WE CAN DO VOICEMAILS. MY NAME IS JEAN DRE. MY ADDRESS WAS TWO FOUR OH EAST ATCH 7 8 2 1 2. I'M TALKING ABOUT ITEM 2 0 2 4 0.001, THE DEMOLITION OF A STRUCTURE THAT THE ALPHA HOUSE WANTS TO DO AT 4 0 2 CARLTON COURT. I'M AGAINST IT AS IT IS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND I SEE NO REASON TO TEAR IT DOWN JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS WITH DRAINAGE, WHICH I THINK COULD BE HANDLED IN DIFFERENT WAYS OTHER THAN TEARING DOWN THE HOUSE. SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE ADD MY PROMISE, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. JEAN DAHLGREN AND I LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO AT 38 17 A HUNDRED OAKS DRIVE, 7 8 2 1 7. BUT I LIVED AT TWO FOUR OH EAST ATCH FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MARILYN L. JOHNSON. I LIVE AT THREE 15 EAST ATCH AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78 2 12. THIS IS REGARDING HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 0 0 1. UH, I AM OPPOSED TO THE DEMOL OF STRUCTURES ON 4 0 2 CARLTON COURT. I HAVE HAD A LONG HISTORY WITH THIS PROPERTY AND HAVE BEEN A NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR FOR, WITH 4 0 2 CARLTON SINCE AUGUST OF 1960, NOW 64 YEARS. THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY THAT AT THAT TIME IN 1960 FOR, UH, FOR ME AND MOST OF MY YOUTH WAS MR. AND MRS. ED VERA AND ED AND VERA BOYKIN. THEY WERE, UM, ALMOST OUR IN TOWN GRANDPARENTS. MY FAMILY HAS HAD WEEKLY TEA PARTIES ON SUNDAY AFTERNOONS OVER THERE ON THE YARD WITH THEIR GRANDKIDS. I'VE WATCHED, UH, WITH WONDER AS MR. BOYKIN USED TO REPAIR ORNATE FRAMES IN HIS WORKSHOP IN THE BACK AT THE REAR OF THE GARAGE. WE'VE HAD FRIENDS THAT RENTED THE GARAGE APARTMENTS AND HAD MADE THEIR HOMES THERE. WE HAVE MANY MEMORIES WITH THAT. UM, WHEN MR. ED FINALLY DIED AFTER SEVERAL YEARS, HIS AND HIS WIFE VERA WAS NO LONGER ABLE TO LIVE ALONE. SHE WAS GONNA SELL THE PROPERTY AND MY BROTHER WILLIAM H. JOHNSON AND HIS WIFE BOBBY JOHNSON, UH, BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AS A INVESTMENT FOR RENTAL PROPERTY AND, UH, MY FAMILY BECAME THE AS IN TOWN PEOPLE, UH, TOOK CARE OF IT, UH, AS A PROPERTY MANAGER RENTING THE HOUSE IN GARAGE APARTMENTS, UM, AFTER A ROBBERY THAT, THAT THE GARAGE APARTMENT HAD, UH, MY BROTHER AND SISTER-IN-LAW MADE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE GARAGE APARTMENTS MOVING THE WOODEN STAIRCASE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE APARTMENT, WHICH COULD NOT BE CLEARLY OBSERVED. [00:10:01] THAT'S THE TWO MINUTE TOP LIMIT FOR THAT VOICEMAIL. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ROSEMARIE SAIN. I LIVE AT FIVE 10 EAST ATCH AVENUE AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 0 0 1, WHICH IS THE 4 0 2 CARL LITTON COURT ADDRESS. UM, I AM OPPOSED TO THE DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD PLEASE SAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LEGACY IN THE MONTE VISTA AREA AND VOTE NO THANK YOU. BYE. NEXT VOICEMAIL IS FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT 300 ALAMO PLAZA, SPECIFIC TO THE PLAZA IN PROMENADE. THIS IS KATE RMAN FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, 1146 SOUTH ALAMO, TWO TEN TWO TWO FOUR SIX ONE SIX THREE. REGARDING ITEM NUMBER EIGHT 300 ALAMO STREET. HAVING SEEN BOLLARDS PROPOSED AS A VEHICULAR BARRIER AT LASSO STREET AND THE POEO, WE WONDER IF THEY COULD BE USED IN PLACE OF THE TRAFFIC CONTROL GATE ARM AT COMMERCE STREET AND THE PROMENADE. BOLLARDS ARE MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND PRESENT A LESS VISUALLY INCONGRUOUS APPEARANCE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LETTERS, UH, IN YOUR PACKETS AS WELL. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE. NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER EIGHT. ANY OTHERS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MO CHAIRMAN. I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU. SECOND, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, SIR. ONE MOMENT PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT, UH, VICE CHAIR FESSOR HAS EXITED THE ROOM. UM, AND SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR, UM, A BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THANK YOU. STAFF STIPULATIONS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GIDA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 8 49 EAST COMMERCE 4 0 5 NORTH ST. MARY'S, 2 0 5 EAST HOUSTON, 100 NORTH MAINE, 2 0 7 ROOSEVELT 1 23 ALAMO PLAZA, 300 ALAMO PLAZA FOR THE EO DEL ALAMO, 8 24 WEST MAGNOLIA, FOUR 13 EAST MULBERRY AND 2 54 EAST SUMMIT. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. AND COMMISSIONERS. NOW I'LL [1. Address/Description:    402 CARLETON HDRC Case No.:    2024-001 Historic District Name:    Monte Vista Applicant:    Liza Jensen/Alpha Home Inc. Request:    Demolition of a rear accessory structure City Council Dist.:    1  ] PULL UP ITEM NUMBER 1 4 0 2 CARLTON, THE CEO OF ALPHA HOME. MS. LISA JENSEN IS HERE IN PERSON AND CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MAAM. HI. HI. MAY PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE. MY NAME IS LISA JENSEN. I'M THE CEO OF ALPHA HOME, A RESIDENTIAL WOMEN'S TREATMENT FACILITY LOCATED AT 4 0 2 CARLTON. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR, UM, OOPS. UM, STICKING AROUND. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF MY OWN ABOUT THE CASE, UM, SINCE A COUPLE OF US MADE A SITE VISIT. BUT FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO COMMUNITY COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. UM, I AGREE WITH THE COMMITMENT TO, UH, MAINTAIN HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN MONTE VISTA. AND SO THIS PACKET OF YOU SEEN IS ABOUT A TRIANGLE OF TWO HISTORIC HOUSES IN THE TIP OF THE HILL IS THE GARAGE APARTMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN UNUSABLE AND A SAFETY HAZARD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WE HAVE EXPERIENCED FOUNDATION RUNOFF PROBLEMS IN WHICH, UM, WE'VE HAD TO DO SUBSTANTIAL REPAIRS AS REPORTED TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT GAVE TESTIMONY EARLIER. AND WE'VE SPENT ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS REPAIRING THE PIMAN BEER P AND TEAR FOUNDATION IN WHICH HAS BEEN ERODED THROUGH THE RUNOFF. WE HE IS CORRECT. WE WERE ABLE TO PUT A PARTIAL RETAINING WALL, WHICH WAS A REPAIR, BUT BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY AND DRAINAGE STUDY THAT [00:15:01] WE HAD DONE BY PAINT DAWSON, HE RE RECOMMENDED A FURTHER RETAINING WALL. AND THAT MAP IS IN THE PO PACKET AS WELL THAT WAS REVIEWED IN WHICH, UM, HE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A FURTHER RETAINING WALL. BUT BECAUSE THE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION OF THE RETAINING WALL WAS SUCH THAT, UM, IT WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, FURTHER, UM, I WOULD SAY MORE COMPREHENSIVE RETAINING WALL BEING DONE. UM, THE DECISION WAS TO TAKE A LOOK AT RENOVATING THE GARAGE APARTMENT, WHICH IS NOT BEING USED AT ALL DUE TO SAFETY HAZARD. THERE WERE SOME BARRIERS OPPOSED TO THAT. AND WE ACTUALLY HAD TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE APPROVED, UM, CONTRACTOR LIST GIVE US OPINIONS, ONE OF WHICH IS IN HERE, WHICH IS RECOMMENDING DEMO TO ACTUALLY DEMO THE COST OF THE GARAGE, WHICH IS LIKE A SPLIT LEVEL. UH, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS THAT WE'D HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE FOUNDATION IS THAT IF YOU OPEN THE GARAGE AND WALK IN, THE LEVEL IS SIX FOOT. BUT IF YOU GO TO THE UPHILL OF THE GARAGE, THERE'S AN 18 INCH CONCRETE FOUNDATION. AND SO CONSEQUENTLY PART OF THE, UM, REASON THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING DEMOLITION IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LEVEL ALL THREE CONCRETE FOUNDATIONS, LEVEL IT OFF, AND THEN GO AHEAD AND PURSUE REBUILDING THAT. IT IS TRUE THAT WE DO HAVE A, UM, A BUDGET OF 2 MILLION. AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE A WOMEN'S RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY. AND WHAT OUR MONEY GOES TO IS OUR CLIENTS WHO ARE IN RECOVERY, OUR AVERAGE WOMAN HAS A ANNUAL INCOME OF $5,000 THAT MONEY GOES TO UNDERWRITE THEIR TREATMENT. AND THE COST ESTIMATES THAT WE GOT AS REQUESTED BY THE CASE MANAGERS AND THE TEAM HERE AT THE CITY WERE THAT THAT WAS PROHIBITED. DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SUFFICIENTLY? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU? UM, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE, UM, RETAINING WALL. UM, WHEN WE MADE A SITE VISIT, THERE WAS A RETAINING WALL IN THE BACK OR PARTIAL. UM, HAVE YOU HAD ADDITIONAL WORK DONE SINCE THAT SITE VISIT? YES, WE CHECKED IT OUT AND GOT APPROVAL SINCE THERE WAS AN EXISTING, UM, 12 INCH RETAINING WALL THAT WAS ONLY PARTIAL THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD BECAUSE THE RETAINING WALL HAD CRACKS IN IT AND WAS FALLING OVER THAT WE COULD REPAIR THAT. SO THE SITE VISIT, IF YOU RECALL, UM, ADDRESS THE REPAIR OF THE EXISTING RATE RETAINING WALL TO THE, UM, STREET THEN ON THE PART WHERE THE, UP AT THE TRIANGLE, THAT IS THE PROPOSED RETRAINING WALL THAT PAT DAWSON ENGINEER RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO. AND THAT TOPOGRAPHY MAP IS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL. OKAY. SO THE ONE THAT PAT DAWSON RECOMMENDED, THE ONE ON THE PROPERTY LINE OR THE TOP OF THE HILL? YES. IT HAS NOT BEEN MADE, HAS NOT BEEN DONE, NO MA'AM HAS NOT BEEN MADE. OKAY. CORRECT. UM, JUST A, UM, QUICK QUESTIONS FROM MY BEHALF THEN. UM, HOW LONG HAVE Y'ALL OWNED THE PROPERTY? I BELIEVE THE CONTRACT, UH, PURCHASE WAS 19 YEARS AGO. I CAN LOOK THAT UP. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT, AT LEAST MORE THAN YES, DEFINITELY MORE THAN 10. OKAY. UM, AND WHEN WE MADE A SITE VISIT, I WENT ALONG WITH WHO ELSE? COMMISSIONER FETZER. ANYBODY ELSE? UM, MY OBSERVATION WAS THAT THE ACTUAL GARAGE, THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE GARAGE WAS IN, UM, VERY GOOD CONDITION. THE FOUNDATION OF THE ORIGINAL GARAGE WAS VERY MUCH INTACT AND NOT COMPROMISED BY WATER RUNOFF. IT WAS THOSE ADDITIONS THAT WERE ONE IN THE BACK AND ONE ALONG THE SIDE THAT CLEARLY COULD BE, UM, UH, BE DEMO DEMOLISHED IF NEED BE. UM, HAD YOU THOUGHT ABOUT DOING A PARTIAL DEMOLITION FOR THOSE AREAS THAT WERE ACTUALLY DAMAGED AND KEEPING THE PART THAT WAS NOT DAMAGED SO YOU COULD REUSE THE BUILDING? YES, MA'AM. SO INITIALLY WE HAD, UM, VARIOUS CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES GIVE US BIDDING ON THE WORK. AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND WE WERE WORKING WITH A COMMITTEE OF VOLUNTEERS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SAID IS, IF YOU RECALL THE PANTRY THAT'S AT THE TOP POINT OF THE HILL, MM-HMM . IF WE REMOVE THAT, THEN ALL THAT WOULD CAUSE WOULD BE THE FLOODING CONTINUING WHERE THE HOUSE AT THE TOP OF THE TRIANGLE DIVERTS THE WATER DIRECTLY INTO THE FOUNDATIONS. SO WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. WE ALSO HAD, UM, THEM GIVE US AN IDEA ABOUT OKAY, THE ROOF STRUCTURE, THE STAIR STRUCTURE, AND, UM, IT'S SUCH THAT WHAT WOULD IT COST TO TAKE A LOOK AT TRYING TO RENOVATE THAT. AND, UM, ALPHA HOME HAS MADE THE DECISION TO INVEST IN PEOPLE IN TERMS OF THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN OFFER, UM, SERVICES TO OUR CLIENTS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND LOOKING AT THE COST THAT THE QUOTES GAVE, THAT WE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET AND LOOKING AT THE COST OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEER, UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE COST WOULD EXCEED THE MONEY THAT WE RAISE THROUGH FUNDRAISING AND GRANTS TO BE ABLE [00:20:01] TO DO THE RETAINING WALL AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, WHICH INCLUDE, UM, MAKING ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE DRAINAGE ON THE TWO HISTORIC PROPERTIES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL SO THAT THAT RUNOFF CAN BE, UH, REDIRECTED AS WELL. AND THEN WITH THAT, IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS SO THAT THE DRAINAGE WOULD NOT AFFECT THE TWO EXISTING HOUSES, COULD THAT MODIFICATION OR A SIMILAR ONE BE MADE WHEN THE ADDITION ON THE BACKSIDE HAD BEEN REMOVED TO AVOID WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AND THAT WOULD BE A DIRECT FLOW, UM, TO THE GARAGE? UM, COULD THAT SAME APPROACH BE USED? I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M NOT A, A CONSTRUCTION EXPERT, BUT TWO OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS APPROVED, UM, VEN CONSTRUCTION VENDORS IN, UM, HAND DEMOL MM-HMM. GAVE US OPINIONS THAT THAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED. OKAY. I, AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION. YES MA'AM. UM, PHOTO NUMBER, WHERE ARE WE 21 IN THE PACKAGE SHOWS THAT APPEAR, APPARENTLY THE BUILDING'S BEING WELL USED NOT AS A DWELLING UNIT, BUT AS STORAGE, WHAT IS YOUR ORGANIZATION'S PLANS TO REPLACE THAT STORAGE? UM, ACTUALLY THOSE PICTURES WERE TAKEN WHEN WE STARTED THE APPLICATION OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. THE BUILDING HAS BEEN DEEMED UNUSABLE AS A SAFETY HAZARD, AND SO IT IS COMPLETELY EMPTY. THERE IS NOTHING IN THAT. AND WE MADE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR STORAGE, UM, ON A PROPERTY THAT WE OWN AROUND THE CORNER. GREAT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER P UH, YES, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, I WAS ON SITE VISIT AND I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO THAT, UH, THE GARAGE PORTION, IT HAS A RAISED CURB AROUND THE PERIMETER OF IT, UH, WAS APPEARED TO BE IN GOOD CONDITION, UM, AND THAT THE, UH, NON-ORIGINAL ADDITIONS ON THE, THE NORTH AND EAST SIDES, UH, COULD EASILY BE REMOVED. UH, EDWARD, COULD YOU GO TO DRAWING 11, WHICH SHOWS THE PROPOSED, UH, EXTENSION OF THE RETAINING WALL. OKAY. UM, SO KING ON WHAT COMMISSIONER SAVINO SAID, IF THE SMALL SHED ADDITION ON THE EAST SIDE WERE REMOVED AND THE 20 FOOT, UH, NORTH SOUTH RETAINING WALL, UM, WOULD BE BUILT, THEN WOULDN'T THAT, UH, PROTECT THE FOUNDATION OF THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? ACCORDING TO THE CONSULTS THAT WE HIRED, THEY REPORTED NO. AND SO, UM, TO ANSWER, GO BACK TO YOUR COMMENT. SO THE RETAINING WALL, THAT IS KIND OF LIKE A, A NUMBER SEVEN IS THE ONE THAT WAS REPAIRED, AND THEN THE RETAINING WALL THAT IS AT THE TOP OF IT, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE IN A REVERSE. L IS THE PROPOSED. THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THE PART OF THE RETAINING THE WATER FLOW IS EVEN IF WE REDIRECT IT, UNLESS WE HAVE THAT, UM, A TOP ONE, IT'S STILL GONNA GO THROUGH TO THE FOUNDATIONS WITH IT. AND AGAIN, THAT'S BASED ON THE ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEERS. AND, AND BEFORE WE GOT THE OPINIONS FROM THE TWO HISTORIC PRESERVATION DEMO CON CONTRACTORS, WE HAD SEVEN DIFFERENT BIDS AND OPINIONS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WE INTERVIEWED TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT WERE OUR OPTIONS. AND AFTER YOU MADE THE VISIT, THE NEXT PERSON WE TALKED TO WAS TO GIVE US A QUOTE A BIT ABOUT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO SCRAP THE WHOLE THING, LEVEL THE FOUNDATION, AND THEN REBUILD IT AS WELL. SO WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO DIFFERENTLY, UH, WITHIN OUR SCOPE AND WITHIN OUR MISSION AND WITH OUR, THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE. OKAY. SO, BUT WITH THE RETAINING WALL SHOWN, UH, SURROUNDING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UM, DEPENDING ON THE HEIGHT AND THE DISTANCE AWAY FROM THAT BUILDING, UM, I WOULD THINK THAT THE, UH, ANY FLOOD WATERS COMING FROM THE, THE NORTHEAST COULD BE DIVERTED AROUND THAT STRUCTURE AND, AND THAT THE BUILDING COULD, UH, POTENTIALLY BE USED FOR AT LEAST STORAGE AND, UH, KEPT AS A, UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE MOST RECENT, UM, FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM, UH, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONTRACTOR, UM, TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE WHOLE ROOF NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED AND THAT THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THE PICTURE THAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER ABOUT THE, UM, STAIRWELL. SO SINCE THAT TIME, AGAIN, IT'S BEEN VACANT PROBABLY FOR SEVEN MONTHS. UM, WE HAD SOME DIFFICULTY WITH SOMEBODY, UM, WHO WAS HOMELESS TRYING TO BREAK INTO THE GARAGE WHEN IT GOT COLD, UM, EARLIER LAST YEAR, AND THEY STARTED A FIRE. AND SO EVERYTHING HAS BEEN, UH, NAILED SHUT. UM, [00:25:01] THE STAIRWELL HAS GOT CHAINS ON IT. UM, AND AGAIN, IT IS A SAFETY HAZARD AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO HAVE SECURITY 24 7 TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY DOESN'T GO INTO THAT BUILDING. AND SO, UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING HERE IN TERMS OF TAKING CARE OF SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED TO BE A SAFETY HAZARD. AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO LEVEL THIS LEVEL OUT THE FOUNDATION SO WE HAVE USABLE SPACE. AND, UM, EVEN IF WE DID DEMO THE TWO ADD-ONS, UM, WITH THAT, IT STILL DOESN'T SOLVE OUR PROBLEM ABOUT BEING ABLE TO LEVEL THE FOUNDATION AND MAKE IT USABLE SPACE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR OUR STAFF OR ANYBODY WHO'S DONE THEIR RESEARCH ON THIS, WHAT THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE AS IT LOOKS ON THE SANDBORN MAP FROM 1924, I THINK, HOW DOES THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT COMPARE TO WHAT THE FOOTPRINT IS HERE? NOW? I, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED THAT THERE'S BEEN ADDITIONS ON IT, BUT ANY IDEAS OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BACK THEN? UH, YEAH, ACTUALLY MAY MAYBE EASIER IF I, UH, GO TO A PHOTO. UH, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, THERE'S AN ADDITION THAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED. UH, AND THEN HERE TO THE EAST, THERE'S ANOTHER STRUCTURE THAT'S AN ADDITION. UM, ROUGHLY THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT MINUS THOSE TWO ELEMENTS IS, IS WHAT'S REPRESENTED WITH THE ONE 17 SIDING, THE TWO STORY MASS. AND WE ARE SURE IT WAS A TWO STORY. RIGHT. UH, LET ME GO TO BACK IN 1924 BECAUSE I SEE THAT THERE'S A SECOND STRUCTURE ON THERE AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT REPRESENTED ANYWHERE IN, IN THE PACKET, RIGHT? CORRECT. NO, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE HISTORIC REAR STRUCTURE THAT'S ON THE LOT. UH, THIS HAS A ONE ON IT THAT'S NOTED AS, UH, ONE STORY. UM, THAT STRUCTURE COULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN ADDITION THAT WAS ADDED TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE COMMISSION. OKAY, SIR. MA'AM HAD GEL EXPLORED, UH, I GUESS GETTING, UH, ESTIMATES ABOUT REMOVING THE TWO, I GUESS IT'S THE EAST AND THE WEST ENDS THAT WERE ADDED LATER ON. UM, I'M, I'M IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT, UH, PRESERVING THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. SO, AND I, I'D JUST BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF YOU DID GET ESTIMATES IN JUST REMOVING THOSE TWO THAT OBVIOUSLY LOOKED LIKE ADDITIONS, UM, AND LOOK A LITTLE RIGHT. MORE THAN COMPROMISED. WE DID, UM, AFTER WE HAD THAT INITIAL SITE VISIT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TOOK A LOOK AT, AND IT WAS DEMOING THE, THE, THE ADD-ONS THAT STILL DIDN'T ADDRESS OUR CONCERN ABOUT THE LIFE SAFETY CODE WITH THE ROOF NOT BEING ATTACHED WITH THE STAIRWELL BEING, UM, D UM, WOBBLY AND NOT SAFE AND SOME OF THE OTHER LIFE SAFETY CONCERNS. SO PERSONALLY, THE DECISION, DO I WANNA SPEND MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT HAS GOT LOW SAFETY RISK, MEANING THAT IT'S ON THE GROUND AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA BREAK IN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HARM THEMSELVES, AS OPPOSED TO IF SOMEBODY GOES UP THE STAIRS THAT AREN'T ATTACHED OR THE ROOF THAT'S SITTING ON TOP THAT NEEDS TO BE REDONE. IT, IT WAS A MATTER OF BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAD. AND THIS WAS MONEY THAT WAS, UM, UH, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED TO TRY AND DO THE, UM, GUTTERS ON THE TWO HOUSES BELOW AND DO THE FOUNDATION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO A, UM, RETAINING WALL SO THAT FURTHER THAN WHAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE MAP. UM, AND WE'VE GOTTEN THOSE QUOTES AS WELL. SO YES, WE DID. AND, UM, FROM THE PICTURES THAT ARE IN THE PACKET, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY NOT BE NOW OR YESTERDAY, UM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS WELL USED AS A STORAGE FACILITY, UH, WAS YOU DID MENTION, UH, IT WAS GOING TO ANOTHER LOCATION. RIGHT. BUT DO YOU PLAN ON BUILDING SOMETHING ELSE IN THAT PLACE? NO. IF IT WERE TO BE DEMOLISHED, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD RECOMMENDATIONS FROM TOPOGRAPHY THAT, NO, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE. AND SO OUR INTENTION IS JUST TO, IF IT'S APPROVED TO BE DEMOLISHED, THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP THAT, UM, PROPERTY OPEN AS, YOU KNOW, A YARD FOR RIGHT NEXT TO IT. UM, BEHIND WHERE THAT TOP PICTURE IS, WHERE THAT LITTLE ADD-ON IS, THERE'S ACTUALLY A PLAYGROUND THAT'S ENCLOSED. AND SO WE WERE JUST GONNA, UM, KEEP IT OPEN SO THAT THE WOMEN, WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR CHILDREN FOSTER CARE VISITS, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME PLATE AREA. THANK YOU. AND, UH, EDWARD, THIS WAS NOTED IN THE PACKET AS CONTRIBUTING, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES. THEY, I MEAN, THEY, ALL STRUCTURES ARE CONTRIBUTING UNTIL THEY'VE BEEN DETERMINED TO BE NON-CONTRIBUTING BY THE COMMISSION. UH, SO, UH, YES, THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. HOWEVER, UH, STAFF DOES FIND THAT THERE IS AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, UH, FOR THIS REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, FOUNDATION. [00:30:01] AND THAT'S THE MAIN REASON, CORRECT. THE A WE FOUND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVEN THAT $350,000 TO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT BID IS, IT'S A BID THAT TWO SEPARATE CONTRACTORS HAVE LOOKED AT IT, THAT STAFF FINDS TO BE REPUTABLE. AND BOTH OF THEM HAVE SAID THAT THERE'S FOUNDATION ISSUES THAT BASICALLY THE STRUCTURE WOULD NEED TO BE, WHEN A NEW FOUNDATION WOULD NEED TO BE INSTALLED, THERE WOULD BE FRAMING ISSUES AND TO BRING THIS UP TO CODE COMPLIANCE TO WHERE FROM A MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, ET CETERA, FRAMING STANDPOINT, UH, TO WHERE THE STRUCTURE COULD PASS AN INSPECTION AND BE USED, UH, FOR EITHER HOUSING PEOPLE OR A STORAGE FACILITY, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. UH, THAT, THAT'S ROUGHLY WHAT IT WOULD COST. THE STRUCTURE WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO BE REBUILT. UH, THAT ALSO, THAT INFORMATION IS NOT DISSIMILAR FROM OTHER APPLICATIONS OR DOCUMENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. WE ASK AN APPLICANT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THE COST OF RECONSTRUCTING, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH THOSE OBVIOUS ADDITIONS AND THEN THE MAIN ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT, NOT THE ADDITIONS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE FIFTIES TO SEVENTIES. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S A, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. UH, I DO HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR YOU, EDWARD. UM, AT THE RISK OF BEING REDUNDANT, THE ESTIMATES COME AND THE ASSESSMENTS COME FROM GENERAL CONTRACTORS REGARDING THE STRUCTURAL, WAS THERE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO GAVE AN ASSESSMENT ON THE FOUNDATION? UM, I'LL LET LISA SPEAK BEST OF THAT, BUT, UH, THE, UH, P DAWSON ENGINEERS HAVE BEEN ENGAGED, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE. UH, I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UH, LISA MAY BE ABLE TO, TO BETTER EXPLAIN THAT. SO THE TWO, UM, PROVIDERS, UH, WHO ARE CERTIFIED AS CONSTRUCTION, HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, UM, GAVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION. BUT THE ONE THAT WE HAD, 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE DID GET BIDS BEFORE, UM, UH, YOUR SITE VISIT WITH IT. AND SO WE DID HAVE AN ARCHITECT, AN ENGINEER AND THOMPSON, AND DID THE TOPOGRAPHY MAPS CONSULTING ON THAT COMMITTEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST. GO AHEAD, SIR. EDWARD, UM, I, I AM IMAGINE THAT THERE'S MANY WAYS TO LOOK AT HOW, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE WOULD BE, UH, PRESERVED OVER TIME. UM, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE, UM, UH, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND THE STAFF'S POSITION, STAFF'S POSITION WITH RESPECT TO, UH, ENABLING, UH, UH, IT COMING FORTH WITH A, A FORWARD WITH A, UH, UH, A RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION. IT, IT, DO Y'ALL EVER CONSIDER THAT PERHAPS THE, THE BEST WAY TO PRESERVE A BUILDING IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE WOULDN'T BE TO LOOK AT IT AS ONE GENERAL BID FOR REHABILITATION, BUT IN TERMS OF STABILIZING AS A STRATEGY FOR IT REMAINING, LET'S SAY ANOTHER 200 YEARS, THAT YOU WOULDN'T BEGIN BY TRYING TO RENOVATE THE WHOLE BUILDING, YOU WOULD BEGIN BY PERHAPS STABILIZING THE FOUNDATION ALONE AND THEN STABILIZING THE DRY IN CIRCUMSTANCE. AND THEN, BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION, WHICH I I, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S, UH, RATIONALE SAYS IT'S GONE, RIGHT? AND, AND APPLIED TO, I MEAN, LOOKING AT IT AS A CASE BY CASE, RIGHT? BUT KNOWING THAT THIS IS A CASE THAT'S MUCH LIKE A LOT OF OTHER CASES, THAT WOULD BE CASE BY CASE AS WELL, THAT THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE, UM, RECOMMENDATION FOR A DEMOLITION, WHICH DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR, UH, A RATIONALE OUTSIDE OF THE DELIBERATION OF THE COMMISSION ON STAFF SIDE TO SAY, IF, IF AN OWNER OWNED A BUILDING THAT WAS STANDING FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, IT HAD THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES OF RUNOFF, THAT PERHAPS NOW IS THE TIME TO TEAR IT DOWN, WHICH THEY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BUILT IT BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE ENDED HERE ANYWAY. BUT IF THERE WAS THE WILL TO, TO MANAGE ITS ITS FUTURE THAT YOU WOULDN'T BEGIN WITH A $250,000 BID, YOU WOULD BEGIN WITH A FOUNDATION OR WHATEVER IS THE SEQUENCE OF MAKING SURE IT DOESN'T FALL DOWN. CERTAINLY, I MEAN, WE, WE ENTER INTO COMPLIANCE AGREEMENTS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, BUT PART OF OUR TASK AS STAFF IS TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF AN APP, IF A PROPERTY OWNER CAME AND SAID, I HAVE THIS ISSUE ON MY PROPERTY AND I CANNOT DO THIS ENTIRELY FROM START TO FINISH, I NEED TO DO THIS FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN THIS FOR TWO YEARS, OR, OR WHATEVER THE TIME LIMIT, UH, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FALL BACK [00:35:01] ON AND WE CAN REFERENCE TO SAY, THIS IS THE PROGRESS THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO MAKE, UH, THEN CERTAINLY WE WILL, WE, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, TO DO THAT AS LONG AS IT'S REASONABLE. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I PREVIOUSLY SAID, WE'RE REVIEWING THE APPLICATION THAT'S PLACED IN FRONT OF US. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, OUR, UH, WITH ANY APPLICATION IN WORKING WITH APPLICANTS, WE WORK TO TRY TO GET THE APPLICATION TO WHERE WE FIND THAT IT'S BEEN COMPLETED AND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVEN, UH, WHAT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUESTS FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION. UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE WITH THE APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. GREAT LINE OF QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER, UM, COMMISSIONERS, MA'AM. UM, BEFORE WE GET A CALL FOR A VOTE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER YOU'D LIKE TO STATE? NO, JUST THAT I, UM, WOULD ASK THAT, UM, YOU SUPPORT OUR INITIATIVE TO PRESERVE TWO HISTORIC HOMES, AND THAT OUR MISSION OF OUR NONPROFIT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO OTHER MEANS. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROPERTY IS SAFE FOR EVERYBODY, THE KIDS AT THE PLAYGROUND, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THOSE BUILDINGS. AND, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU CAN HEAR THAT AS A NONPROFIT CHARITY. ANYTHING WE GET GOES TO OUR CLIENTS AND UNDERWRITING THEIR FACILITIES FOR THAT. UM, IF WE WERE A FOR-PROFIT, WE'D HAVE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION HERE. UM, BUT I AM LIMITED TO BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF THE MONEY THAT I GET TO UNDERWRITE CLIENT TREATMENTS, AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO, THIS WILL BE TRICKY AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY. ONCE I MAKE THE MOTION, WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES. UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE EASTERN EDITION AND THE NORTHERN EDITION AND DENIED THE DEMOLITION REQUEST FOR THE MAIN HISTORIC PORTION OF THE BUILDING. THERE A SECOND. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FOR DISCUSSION, UM, TO, TO YOUR ORGANIZATION'S MISSION. I ABSOLUTELY HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR THE, THE, THE MISSION, THE OPERATIONS, AND THE FUTURE THAT YOU WISH TO HAVE ON THAT PROPERTY. I REALLY DO. I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, WE, WE DO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF OUR PROPERTY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR OTHERWISE. AND IN THIS CASE, I FEEL LIKE IT IS A, I BELIEVE IT IS A EX, UM, A CLEAR SITUATION WHERE YOU ARE FIRMLY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE GUIDELINES, UM, AND, AND WHAT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE CONTRIBUTES IS REALLY PARAMOUNT HERE. I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU'VE HAD A NUMBER OF FOLKS COME IN AND VISIT AND, AND GIVE YOU GOOD ASSESSMENT TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY. UM, AND I THINK MY ASSESSMENT AND MAYBE OTHER COMMISSIONER'S ASSESSMENTS ARE GIVEN WITH THAT SAME, UM, GOOD FAITH AND PROFESSIONAL, UM, INTENT. SO I DO THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SOLUTIONS, WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT 'EM HERE, OF HOW TO SECURE YOUR PROPERTY FROM, UH, WATER AS WELL AS FROM TRESPASSERS AND INTRUSION TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR EVERYBODY. UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WAYS TO DO THAT, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WAYS TO REACTIVATE THIS BUILDING IF YOU CHOOSE AND DO IT INCREMENTALLY OR, UM, SINCE YOU HAVE NO PROGRAM FOR THE EXISTING SPACE, MOTHBALL IT LIKE SO MANY FOLKS DO, BECAUSE YOUR OWNERSHIP ISN'T THE LAST WORD ON THE HISTORIC PROPERTY. UM, MY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT YOU'VE HAD THE PROPERTY FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS WITHOUT REQUESTS FOR REPAIRS, AND NOW SUDDENLY IT WANTS TO BE DEMOLISHED. AND I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO PUT THE, PUT THE BRAKES ON IT A LITTLE BIT AND TAKE SOME TIME TO TAKE CLOSER LOOK AT OTHER SOLUTIONS. SO, AM I ALLOWED TO RESPOND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK? SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. I APPRECIATE IT. SO I DO WANNA TELL YOU THAT THIS HAS BEEN ON OUR RADAR AS A BOARD AND AS A COMMITTEE TAKING A LOOK AT IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS. HOWEVER, DURING COVID, BECAUSE WE HAVE A GROUP HOME ENVIRONMENT, WHEN ONE PERSON IN A FOUR BEDS IN A ROOM GETS CO, EVERYBODY GETS C. AND SO STARTING IN 2019, WE HAVE HAD COVID ID IN OUR, UM, UH, SERVICE AT LEAST FIVE TIMES A YEAR. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE, WE DON'T DO ADMISSIONS, WE HAVE COVID PROTOCOLS, WE, OUR STAFF GETS IMPACTED. AND SO WE HAVE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF REVENUE BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CLIENT, THEN YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO BILL FOR SERVICES. AND SO I, I KNOW IT APPEARS AS IF THAT WE'VE BEEN INATTENTIVE TO THIS, BUT WE'VE ALSO SPENT $98,000 REPAIRING THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE TWO PROPERTIES [00:40:01] THAT ARE CURRENTLY HOUSE OUR, OUR WELLNESS CLINIC AND OUR COUNSELING STAFF WITH THAT. AND SO IT IS TRUE THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING NOW, BUT I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T WANTED TO ADDRESS IT. IT HAS BEEN THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME HARDSHIPS AND OTHER BARRIERS THAT HAVE PREVENTED US FROM EI WOULD'VE LOVED TO ADDRESS IT IN 2019, BUT I HAD TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT KEEPING STAFF EMPLOYED WHEN THE CENSUS WAS, YOU KNOW, 20 PEOPLE COMPARED TO WHAT IT IS AND MAKING DECISIONS THAT WE STILL CONTINUE TO SERVE PEOPLE IN PERSON. WE STILL CONTIN TO CONTINUE TO TAKE P PEOPLE INTO OUR PROGRAM RELATED TO THAT. SO, SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT. UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER? I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE MOTION FURTHER, SIR. YES. JUST SO, AND THE STAFF MAY MIGHT WANT TO ANSWER THIS. SO AS I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, DECONSTRUCT THE ADDITIONS THAT ARE ONTO IT AND TRY TO KEEP THE MAIN STRUCTURE INTACT. PROCEDURALLY, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT, I MEAN, YOU START PULLING ON STUFF, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE MAIN STRUCTURE IF THE MAIN STRUCTURE HAS TO BE DECONSTRUCTED TO PRESERVE IT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S, I MEAN, AS YOU START GETTING IN THERE AND TAKING PANELS OFF, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN ALSO? WELL, UM, I, I THINK THE MOTION WAS THE DEMOLITION OF THE TWO, UH, ADDITIONS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE WHEN THOSE WERE CONSTRUCTED, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT BE OF THE AGE TO WHERE THEIR MATERIALS, UM, ARE OF THE LEVEL THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MEET THE DEMOLITION OR, OR THE DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE. UH, SO, UM, BUT I THINK YOUR QUESTION IS HOW WOULD WE GAUGE THE IMPACT TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THROUGH THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO, UH, ADDITIONS? AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK STAFF COULD ANSWER THAT. SO IF THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT, AND ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AS MUCH AS IT AS POSSIBLE, AND IN DOING SO YOU SEE THAT MAYBE A WALL OF THAT ORIGINAL STRUCTURE NEEDS TO COME DOWN, OR A CORNER OF IT, OR, OR HALF OF IT COMES DOWN, WHATEVER, WHATEVER HAPPENS, RIGHT? YOU KEEP THAT MATERIAL, YOU REPAIR, REBUILD TO THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT AND THE ORIGINAL ORIGINAL PARAMETERS OF, UH, OF, OF THE STRUCTURE. WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE IS IN PLACE FOR THAT? IF THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE PROCEDURALLY, WHAT COULD HAPPEN? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CAN IT BE DECONSTRUCTED COMPLETELY AND THEN PUT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN AND PART AS PART OF THE RECONSTRUCTION PROCESS OR RESTORATION PROCESS? WELL, THE, SO I GUESS TO CLARIFY THE REQUEST THAT'S CURRENTLY, UH, AGENDIZED WOULDN'T BE FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION. I MEAN, THAT, THAT MOTION THERE, THAT'S NOT A REQUEST ITEM. UH, YOU KNOW, THE REQUEST ITEMS, THE DECONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE IN PLACE OF DEMOLITION THAT WOULD THEN SEND MATERIALS TO A LANDFILL. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO ADD TO THE REQUEST TO SAY, YOU CAN DECONSTRUCT THIS, BUT THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO RECONSTRUCT THE STRUCTURE IN A TIMELINE THAT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION. SO I, I DON'T KNOW FROM A, A LEGAL STANDPOINT WHAT THE COMMISSION COULD STIPULATE OR TO, YOU KNOW, TO STIPULATE AT THIS TIME. I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS TO, TO COMMISSIONER SINO IS CAN THIS BE A PHASED MOTION? I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT DOING THIS IN, IN THREE MONTHS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT. THE MONEY IS JUST NOT, IT'S JUST TOO BIG OF A PROJECT. BUT IF YOU DECONSTRUCT WITH THE INTENT TO SALVAGE AND REBUILD THE INTENT TO PUT IT RIGHT BACK UP TO ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT, HOW DOES, HOW WOULD THEY HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO RESPOND. GO AHEAD, MA'AM. UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE IMP UH, WHAT THE INTENT IS IS, BUT I'M TAKING IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, BRINGING IT A LITTLE BIT BACK, AND THAT IS BY REMOVING THOSE ADDITIONS, ONE CAN THEN ASSESS, UM, THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, UM, BY LOOKING AT THOSE ADDITIONS. THEY WERE DONE VERY HAPHAZARDLY. VERY ADDITIVELY, MEANING THE INSIDE IN THE MAIN BUILDING WAS NOT AFFECTED OR MODIFIED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE ADDITIONS. SO THE ENVELOPE OF THAT MAIN OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE IS STILL INTACT. IT'S JUST THAT THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS WERE ADDED. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW AN OWNER, SOMEBODY TO REMOVE THOSE ADDITIONS, TAKE A LOOK AT THE ACTUAL CONDITION, UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY COME UP WITH A, A PRESERVATION OR RESTORA RECONSTRUCTION SOLUTION. EVEN. IT COULD BE ANY ONE OF THOSE, RIGHT? I THINK I COULD SECOND THE MO, DID WE SECOND IT YET? WE DID. OKAY. WE, I THINK I CAN GET BEHIND IT AS LONG AS WE HAVE, IF THE APPLICANT HAS SOME FINANCIAL BREATHING ROOM. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A BURDEN ON 'EM, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO PROTECT THE STRUCTURE, WE WANT TO KEEP IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE A NONPROFIT. THEY HAVE PRIORITIES OF, OF, OF, OF COURSE, PRIORITIES OF EFFORT. BUT, UH, AND AGAIN, I'LL GO TO DECONSTRUCT, RIGHT? NOT DEMOLISH, DECONSTRUCT AND PRESERVE AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. MR. CHAIR? UH, SIR? [00:45:01] UH, I THINK SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT, RIGHT? PHASED OVER TIME? KIND OF LIKE WHAT A COMMISSIONER, WELL, I'LL, I'LL ANSWER THIS. THE MOTION'S NOT GONNA REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO DO ANYTHING IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. IT JUST GIVES THEM THE OPTION TO EXPLORE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE MOTION. SAY IT AGAIN. THE MOTION DOES NOT OBLIGATE THE APPLICANT TO DO ANY SORT OF DECONSTRUCTION OR DEMOLITION WORK. IT JUST GIVES THEM PARAMETERS IN WHICH THEY COULD WORK TO IF THEY WANNA DO PARTIAL DEMOLITION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SENO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GIDA? AYE. VASQUEZ? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. I YOU'LL GIVE A STAFF YOU'RE GOOD TO GO NOW? WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE'LL MOVE ON [8. Address/Description:    300 ALAMO PLAZA/Alamo Plaza and Promenade HDRC Case No.:    2024-263 Public Property:    Alamo Plaza and Promenade Historic District Name:    Alamo Plaza Applicant:    Natalie Hugentobler/Gensler Request:    Alamo Plaza and Promenade; site work, landscaping, site paving, installation of a Sculpture Trail, and wayfinding signage City Council Dist.:    1  ] TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND I WILL RECUSE MYSELF FROM ITEM EIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. ZNO, DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? YES, I DID. FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. UM, I HAVE ONE MOMENT. OH, ONE SECOND. DR. RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER FE HAS LEFT THE ROOM. GO AHEAD MA'AM. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. YES. UH, STAFF FROM, UH, THE ALAMO TRUST ARE HERE IN PERSON. HELLO, I'M NATALIE HUGIN TOLER WITH GENSLER. HI, I AM ALLISON HARVEY WITH OJB LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE. THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND. MM-HMM, . UM, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND I DID NOTICE THAT THERE'S A LETTER IN THE PACKAGE FROM AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAD A QUESTION. UM, AND WHY DON'T WE ANSWER, OR I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S QUESTION ABOUT BALLARDS. MM-HMM. , RIGHT? YES. UM, SO THEY'RE, UM, AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROMENADE. SO THE PROMENADE IS AT THE, AT NORTH ALAMO STREET AND AT COMMERCE STREET AND, AND DEBARS, THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE TO THE ALAMO DISTRICT. UM, THERE ARE VEHICULAR BARRIERS TO PREVENT VEHICLES DRIVING FROM COMMERCE STREET ONTO NORTH ALAMO STREET. IN THE DESIGN IN THIS PACKET, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS A, A VEHICULAR GATE ARM TO PREVENT VEHICLES FROM TURNING NORTH. AND THEN FURTHER NORTH OF THAT TRAFFIC CONTROL ARM IS A SERIES OF BOLLARDS THAT SERVE AS A SECURITY DEVICE TO THE DISTRICT ITSELF. UM, PUTTING THE, THE BOLLARDS WITHIN THIS AREA HAS BEEN A BIT OF THREADING THE NEEDLE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE EXISTING UTILITIES THAT E EXIST UNDERNEATH NORTH ALAMO STREET AND WHAT THE DESIGN THAT'S REPRESENTED HERE TRIES TO ADDRESS THAT. UM, WE UNDERSTAND IN, IN THE, THE COMMENTS THAT THE AESTHETICS OF THE GATE ARM, UM, WOULD LIKE TO BE REVIEWED, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO LOOK AT AT A STAFF LEVEL. UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE UTILITIES MAY REQUIRE RELOCATION AND LIMIT OUR ABILITIES TO ACTUALLY PLACE BOLLARDS WITHIN THE AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT VEHICULAR ACCESS ON SOME OF THE OTHER STREETS. MM-HMM, , WHAT IS THE DEVICE THAT YOU'RE USING FOR THOSE OVER IN SOLEDAD, I GUESS IT IS, OR BROADWAY? UH, I'M SORRY. UH, NO, IT'S, UM, LA SOYA. LAS SOYA. YES. THANK YOU. SO, UM, THE, THE DISTRICT WIDE APPROACH IS TO USE PRIMARILY A SYSTEM OF BOLLARDS. UM, SOME WILL BE FIXED, OPERABLE, OR REMOVABLE DEPENDING ON THEIR LOCATION. UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY SERVICE AS A FIRE LANE OR THE PARADE ROUTES OR IF IT'S IN A STRICTLY VEHICULAR, UM, SORRY, PEDESTRIAN ZONE. UM, THE GATE ARM IS SPECIFICALLY AT THIS LOCATION, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S, UM, A BUS ROUTE, UM, FOR THE TOUR BUSES THAT COME UP HERE, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, THE PARADE ROUTE AND THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES. AND SO THIS GIVES, UM, THE RANGERS AN OPERATIONAL MOMENT TO REALLY VALIDATE THAT SOMEONE IS PERMITTED TO USE THAT ROUTE AT THE OTHER LOCATIONS. THOSE ARE LESS FREQUENTLY, UM, ACCESSED. AND SO IT WOULD BE MOSTLY A BALLARD, UM, UH, [00:50:01] CONDITION THAT IS STILL OPERATED AND REVIEWED BY THE RANGERS, BUT IT JUST WON'T SEE AS MUCH TRAFFIC ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. AND SO DOESN'T REQUIRE AS MUCH, UM, OF A, A BUFFER ZONE FOR ACCESS. IT'S, YES. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE. UH, THE ONE ON HOUSTON STREET MM-HMM. , WOULD THAT BE, WHEN YOU SAY, UH, A ROUTE IS MORE FREQUENT, PROBABLY COMING FROM COMMERCE, WHAT IS THE DESTINATION? WOULD THE DESTINATION BE THE ALAMO PLAZA OR IS IT GOING BEYOND, UM, FOR THE BUS ROUTE? MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. , UM, THEY COME UP ON NORTH ALAMO AND THEN TURN LEFT ONTO EAST CROCKETT. UH OKAY. WHICH IS WHERE THEY EXIT THE DISTRICT. GOT IT. THE E UM, EMERGENCY LANE AND THE PARADE ARE THE ONLY ROUTES THAT GO ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THE PLAZA. IT IS OTHERWISE CLOSED TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, YOU HAVE, UH, PLACEHOLDERS FOR STATUES IN ONE OF THE, UH, DOCUMENTS, IT SAYS RELOCATING ONE STATUE FROM SOMEWHERE ALREADY IN THE SQUARE. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER STATUES THAT ARE GOING TO BE RELOCATED? UM, ALL OF THE STATUES THAT ARE INCLUDED ARE EXISTING. OKAY. UM, AND THOSE ARE PART OF THE, UM, SCULPTURE TRAIL. SO THOSE ARE, UM, ON ALAMO GROUNDS CURRENTLY. AND, UM, SOME OF THEM WILL REMAIN ON THE STATE LAND, SOME WILL BE DISTRIBUTED ALONG THE LARGER SCULPTURE ROUTE. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT THEY EXIST. THEY'RE JUST GETTING UNIFORMED, UM, BASES AND INTERPRETATION. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION IS ABOUT THE TREE CANOPY ON THE WEST SIDE OF ALAMO. AND IT'S DESIGNATED BOTH IN THE, THE, UM, I GUESS IN THE POWERPOINT DIAGRAM AS WELL AS IN THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT THIS IS AT A LATER PHASE MM-HMM. , BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE WELLS AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG THAT ROUTE. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE, UM, THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF UTILITIES THAT RUN UNDERNEATH, UM, NORTH ALAMO STREET, INCLUDING SOME OLDER TELECOM LINES, WHICH ARE IN, UM, SUSPECTED TO BE, UM, ENCASED IN, UM, IN TERRACOTTA. AND SO WE, UM, WANNA BE VERY MINDFUL OF HOW SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW, OF A TOUCH THAT THIS AREA DESERVES. SO THE PRELIMINARY, UM, PHASE WILL, WILL DEVELOP THE EAST SIDE AND PROVIDE THAT INTERPRETIVE ENTRY MM-HMM. INTO THE DISTRICT. AND, UM, AND THEN WHEN MORE EXPLORATION REVEALS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE UTILITIES AND THE CAPACITY TO LOCATE TREES AROUND THOSE UTILITIES, UM, THAT WILL BECOME EVEN CLEARER. SOME POTHOLING HAS ALREADY OCCURRED. OKAY. SO THERE'S, WELL, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT SIDE WOULD HAVE NO TREES? WELL, THE SIDE ACTUALLY HAS EXISTING TREES. SO THERE ARE TWO OR YEAH, THERE ARE A HANDFUL. YEAH. THERE ARE THREE EXISTING TREES AS SHOWN ON THE LEFT SIDE. AND IT IS, IT IS THE AMBITION TO, TO CONTINUE THE CANOPY ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT YOU SEE UP IN PHASE TWO, UM, THE DEPOSIT ERO, THE HISTORIC DEPOSIT, AND CARRY THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE PROMENADE. THAT WOULD BE NICE. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE AN ETA IN YOUR PLANS OF WHEN YOU WOULD KNOW WHETHER OR WHEN YOU COULD EMBARK ON PUTTING TREES ON THAT SIDE? I, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE MM-HMM. AS WE CAN TELL, THE SUMMER AND EVERY SUMMER AND EVERYBODY SAYS TREES ARE IMPORTANT, RIGHT. SO I'M JUST CHECKING, CHECKING THAT OUT. I THINK THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT REVEALS ITSELF DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. OKAY. AS WE, UM, CONTINUE OUR EXPLORATIONS OF THE UNDERGROUND CONDITIONS. UM, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW AT THIS TIME, UNFORTUNATELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. GO AHEAD, SIR. Y'ALL MENTIONED, UH, THERE BEING SOME OPERATIONAL BA BOLLARDS, EXCUSE ME. UM, WHERE ARE THOSE GOING AND HOW ARE THEY OPERATING? UM, SO RIGHT HERE YOU CAN SEE THE, THE ONES HIGHLIGHTED IN THE CENTER THAT ARE IN RED, THOSE WILL, UM, ARE OPERABLE BOLLARDS THAT WILL LOWER, UM, WHEN THE, UH, RANGERS REVIEW SOMEONE WHO'S PERMITTED TO ACCESS, UM, THE SITE. UM, THEY'LL SIGNAL FROM, UH, THE ALAMO GROUNDS THAT THOSE GET LOWERED, UM, AND SOMEONE CAN PASS THROUGH, UM, ADJACENT TO THOSE ARE REMOVABLE BOLLARDS, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, REMOVED ONLY ON OCCASIONS SUCH AS THE PARADE TO INCREASE THE ACCESS WIDTH OF THE DRIVE LANE, UM, WHEN MULTIPLE VEHICLES AND FLOATS ARE RUNNING THROUGH. AND THEN [00:55:01] THEY WILL BE, UM, REINSTALLED AFTER THE PARADE. UM, THIS IS A SIMILAR STRATEGY THAT IS BEING DEPLOYED, UM, AT EACH OF THE ROADWAY OR RIGHT OF WAY ACCESSES AROUND THE SITE. UM, AND SIMILAR TO THE CONDITION THAT'S, UM, ALREADY EXISTING ON BONUM STREET, UM, AS YOU ACCESS THE ALAMO GROUNDS, UH, FROM THE EAST. AND WHY WOULDN'T YOU PUT THE OPERATIONAL BOLLARDS WHERE THE, UH, THE MECHANICAL ARM IS? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED SENSITIVITY TO THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, BUT I THINK JUST A LITTLE FURTHER UP FROM WHERE THAT OPERATIONAL ARM IS, YOU'RE PUTTING SOME BALLARDS. UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID STUDY. UM, AND THERE ARE SOME UTILITY VAULTS THAT ARE LOCATED A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH, CLOSER TO WHERE THAT ARM IS. UM, AND SO WE CAN, UM, CONTINUE TO ASSESS THAT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN, UM, A BIT OF A CHALLENGE TO, TO NAVIGATE AS THERE'S MULTIPLE UTILITY CROSSINGS AND SOME VAULTS IN THE ROADWAY THAT WOULD THEN NOT BE, UM, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT THE FOUNDATIONS FOR THOSE BOLLARDS DOWN BECAUSE THEY GO QUITE DEEP. UM, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE OPERABLE. THEY'RE ABOUT SIX, FIVE TO SIX FEET DEEP IN SOME CASES. AND HOW FAR IS THE OPERATIONAL ARM FROM THE NEAREST, UH, OPERATIONAL BALLARD? I'M SORRY, NOT THE OPERATIONAL ARM. THE MECHANICAL ARM? MM-HMM. , UH, TO THE NEAREST OPERATIONAL BALLARDS. I THINK IT'S ON THE APPROXIMATELY PREVIOUS PAGE. SO OH, OH, THE DIMENSION, LIKE HOW FAR DOWN THE STREET FROM, FROM THE MECHANICAL ARM IS THE NEAREST OPERATIONAL BALLARD? PROBABLY A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED FEET. I WOULD, THAT'S IT. YEAH. IT'S ENOUGH FOR A VEHICLE TO PULL IN AND LIKE A TOUR BUS? YEAH, LIKE A TOUR BUS AND STOP. AND THEN IF THERE WAS LIKE A PRIVATE VEHICLE THAT TURNED IN BEHIND THE, LIKE BEHIND THAT TOUR BUS, IT WOULD GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT VEHICLE TO BE REMOVED FROM, YOU KNOW, NORTH ALAMO STREET AND REDIRECTED BACK ON THE EAST COMMERCE. AND THEN WHY ARE THE BOLLARDS, UH, SO FAR IN ON THE STREET? UH, NOT AT THE, NOT CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION. UH, THIS WAS ALSO, THIS WAS STUDIED EXTENSIVELY, UM, SORT OF WHAT I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING. WE'VE HAD TO REALLY THREAD THE NEEDLE. IF, IF, UM, YOU, THEY HAVE NOTICED IN THE PACKET THE, THE ENTIRE PROMENADE IS A CURBLESS ENVIRONMENT. SO WHEN YOU HAVE TO INSTALL THE BOLLARDS AS A SECURITY DEVICE, IT NEEDS TO BE DEPLOYED LITERALLY FROM BUILDING FACE TO BUILDING FACE. AND BECAUSE THERE ARE EXISTING VAULTS AND ROOMS UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALKS, THERE WERE VERY FEW LOCATIONS THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO PROVIDE SECURITY DEVICES THAT EXTENDED FROM BUILDING FACE TO BUILDING FACE THAT REALLY, IT KIND OF LEFT VERY FEW. YES. SURE. HI KATE ROGERS WITH THE ALAMO TRUST. I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE LOCATION OF THE BALLARDS IS PRIMARILY DETERMINED BY PROTECTION OF THE CHURCH. SO IT'S, IT'S DRIVEN BY A STATE ANALYSIS OF A VEHICULAR, UM, EVENT ATTACKING THE CHURCH, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY CONCERN. SO THE REASON THE BOLLARDS ARE FARTHER IN IS BECAUSE FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, WHILE THE ARM, UM, STILL NEEDS SOME DESIGN REVIEW AND SO FORTH FROM YOU FOLKS, UM, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO LET THOSE TOUR BUSES COME IN AND OUT THAN LOWERING THOSE BOLLARDS. EACH AND EVERY TIME THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT BREAKAGE WITHIN THE BOLLARDS, THEY'RE ALSO QUITE COSTLY. UM, AND SO WE TRIED TO BALANCE THE SECURITY NEEDS OF THE CHURCH IN ADDITION TO THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME THOSE EVENTS WOULD HAPPEN IN THE EVENING, NOT DURING OPERATIONAL HOURS. SO THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT NOT ALL OF THOSE BALLERS WOULD BE RAISED DURING NORMAL OPERATING HOURS, UM, WHICH REDUCES THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY HAVE TO GO UP AND DOWN. SURE. SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF EXPLAIN SOME OF THE OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WENT INTO THE PLACEMENT. YEAH, AND TO YOUR POINT, I THINK, UH, THE SECURITY WOULD BE OF THE MOST UTMOST IMPORTANCE FOR THIS SITE, BUT I THINK JUST HAVING THAT ONE ARM THERE, THAT'D BE SOMETHING YOU COULD DRIVE RIGHT THROUGH. WOULDN'T YOU WANT ANOTHER SET OF BOLLARDS? WELL, WE, AGAIN, WE DID STUDY THAT AND THE RE THE REASON WE ENDED UP WHERE WE ARE IS THAT THE, THOSE BALLARDS WHERE TO PROTECT THE CHURCH WOULD BE UP WHEN OUTSIDE OF OPERATING HOURS. SO THE, THE ALAMO IS NORMALLY OPEN FROM NINE TO FIVE DURING THE DAY. MOST TIMES THOSE TYPES OF INCIDENTS OCCUR. THEY OCCUR IN THE EVENING HOURS, NOT DURING NORMAL OPERATING HOURS, WHICH IS THE REASON THE BOLLARDS WERE PLACED FARTHER IN THE ARMS, UM, ARE A LITTLE BIT, PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY WHEN THOSE TOUR BUSES NEED TO COME IN AND OUT. 'CAUSE WE'VE COMMITTED TO THE TOUR BUS COMPANY THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM TO ENTER THE SITE, UM, AS ALLISON WAS MENTIONING, TURN [01:00:01] LEFT ON ON CROCKETT STREET AND THEN EXIT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE, UM, MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDERS WITH MULTIPLE NEEDS, UM, WHILE ALSO PRIORITIZING THE SAFETY OF THE CHURCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS, QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE ARTWORK OR THE SCULPTURES, IS THE LADY BIRD JOHNSON, UH, FOUNTAIN RETURNING, IS THAT ONE OF THE ART PIECES THAT WOULD BE HISTORIC TO THE THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'M NOT AWARE OF THE LADY BIRD JOHNSON, FOUNTAIN FOUNTAIN. SO WE WOULD NEED TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ON THAT, BUT HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT. IT WAS, UH, THE SOUTHEAST REAR ACROSS FROM THE, THE HOTEL THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT. THE MANGER, THE, THE, IT WAS ACROSS FROM THE CROCKETT HOTEL. IT'S REMOVAL CCRO, BUT IT WAS A GIFT TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. YEAH, IT, ITS REMOVAL WAS PART OF THE, UM, ORIGINAL APPROVAL BY HDRC. THAT WAS PROBABLY FIVE YEARS AGO AT THIS POINT. WOULD WE BE GETTING, UH, SOME STATUS ON IT BY ANY CHANCE AT SOME POINT? WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. THANK YOU, CORY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UM, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST ITEMS. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS. THIS REMAINS TO BE A BIG AND SIGNIFICANT PROJECT IN OUR CITY AND, UM, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMING BACK WITH THIS. WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, JUST WANT TO BE, UM, UM, UH, CONSISTENT THAT I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AT THESE PLANS AND LOOKING AT, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE FINE DETAILS FOR INFORMATION THAT THAT GIVES SOME DECLARATION TO THE NATIVE AMERICAN COMMUNITY. THE CEMETERY THAT WE, WE KNOW IS UN UNDECLARED, BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A CEMETERY AND I DON'T SEE MUCH OF ANYTHING REALLY THAT, THAT, THAT BRINGS IT TO THE FOREFRONT. AND THAT THE ALAMO HAS ITS ORIGINS THAT DON'T BEGIN WITH THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO. AND THAT INFORMATION'S BECOMING MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT AS, UH, PEOPLE GET EDUCATED. I'M GONNA KEEP LOOKING FOR THAT INFORMATION. I DON'T WANNA BE A THORN IN ANYBODY'S SIDE, BUT, UH, BUT MOST DEFINITELY HAVE TO BE, UM, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF, I'M IN DISTRICT THREE THAT HAS THE OTHER MISSIONS AND, UH, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY, UH, LACK OF INFORMATION OR EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S UPFRONT AND THE OTHER MISSIONS AND THAT THE MISSION THE VALERO IS, UH, AN EQUAL PARTICIPANT IN OUR, IN OUR HISTORY. AND, UM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UM, UH, INTENTIONAL, UH, REPRESENTATION OF HOW THESE COMMUNITIES ARE REFLECTED, UH, IN THE RECORD, WHICH AS CONTRACT DOCUMENTS ARE THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS THAT THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE THEY REALLY BELONG. OKAY. UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS VERY MUCH, AND I WANNA ASSURE YOU THAT, UM, IN THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, INCLUDING THE NEW VISITOR CENTER MUSEUM, THE ROLE OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES IS, IS QUITE PROMINENT. THERE'LL BE AN ENTIRE GALLERY IN THE NEW VISITOR CENTER MUSEUM THAT WILL FOCUS ON THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES WHO ORIGINALLY SETTLED THIS PART OF TEXAS. UM, WE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S PART OF OUR MUSEUM PLANNING COMMITTEE MADE UP OF LOCAL DESCENDANTS FROM THE DIFFERENT TRIBES THAT WERE THE PILAM AND OTHERS THAT WERE HERE, UM, ALL THOSE MANY YEARS AGO. UH, IN EVERYTHING WE DO BE THAT THE 40 THEATER, THE INTERPRETATION IN THE EXTERIOR, WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE BEGINNING OF THE STORY ABOUT 10,000 YEARS AGO. SO HOPEFULLY AS OUR PLANS, YOU KNOW, BECOME MORE CLEAR, YOU'LL SEE THAT REPRESENTED PROMINENTLY THREE WORDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA? AYE. GUEVARA. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AYE, COMMISS [13. Address/Description:    508/510 BOOKER ALLEY HDRC Case No.:    2024-193 Historic District Name:    Dignowity Hill Applicant:    Mitsuko Ramos/GRGTX Lobbyin LLC Request:    Construction of a 2-story residential structure with a detached residential structure City Council Dist.:    2  ] COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL MOVE ON TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. UH, FIRST ITEM ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IS ITEM NUMBER 13, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 1 93 5 0 8, AND FIVE 10 BOOKER ALLEY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCTED TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE LOT IDENTIFIED AS FIVE 10. BOOKER ALLEY IDENTIFIED AS LOT NUMBER NINE ON THE SITE PLAN. AND TWO, YOU INSTRUCTED A TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE LOT IDENTIFIED AS 5 0 8. BOOKER ALLEY IDENTIFIED AS LOT [01:05:01] 10 ON THE SITE PLAN. THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN POSITIONED AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE STRUCTURE ON LOT NINE. THESE STRUCTURES ARE PROPOSED ON SEPARATE LOTS, HOWEVER, THEY ARE ONE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT. BOTH LOTS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN MATERIALS FORM MASSING AND PARKING CONFIGURATIONS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED GUIDELINES. UH, COMMISSIONERS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF THAT ARE BELOW, UM, IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME. UH, I CAN SKIP OVER THOSE AND WE CAN GET TO DISCUSSION UNLESS YOU SPECIFICALLY WOULD LIKE ME TO READ EACH ONE OF THOSE INTO THE RECORD. UM, IF NOT, THE APPLICANT, MITSUKO RAMOS IS HERE AND CAN PROVIDE A PRESENTATION. OKAY. APPLICANT CAN COME FORWARD, PLEASE. OKAY. AND I WILL NOTE, UM, THE PRESENTATION THAT I WILL PULL UP, UH, IS DIFFERENT THAN, UM, THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS. HOWEVER, UH, IF YOU NOTICE, UH, IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT PACKET OR IN THE APPLICATION PACKET, UH, THERE ARE A SET OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT ARE LABELED THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THE PRESENTATION, UH, THAT MS. RAMOS IS PRESENTING IS, UH, RELATED TO THAT SECOND SET OF DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EDWARD. I WILL, UH, SET THE TIMER FOR 12 MINUTES AND, UH, TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS MITSUKO RAMOS WITH GOVERNMENT RELATIONS GROUP OF TEXAS, AND I REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNER RAM RAM MORENO, UM, FOR THE LOTS LOCATED AT 5 0 8 AND FIVE 10 BOOKER ALLEY. UH, BEFORE I BEGIN, I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE YOU TO RAM HERE. HE'S SITTING DOWN, HE'S GONNA BE THE NEW, UH, NEIGHBOR IN THE AREA, BUT HE'S NOT SO NEW BECAUSE HE WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THAT AREA. SO AS A CHILD, YOU KNOW, HE RAN AROUND THE STREETS AND PLAYED AND SO FORTH. SO HE'S ACTUALLY, HIS MISSION IS TO COME BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BRING HIS DAUGHTER AND TWO GRANDCHILDREN AND, AND, UM, THEY WON'T BE LIVING THERE, BUT BRING THEM THERE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SPEND TIME, QUALITY TIME AND SO FORTH. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT, UM, INTRODUCTION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, THE PROPERTY SUMMARY SHOWS THE TWO SMALL LOTS THAT WERE SUBDIVIDED, UM, IN OR AROUND 1924. THEY ARE CONSIDERED ANTIQUATED LOTS, UM, WITH THESE PARTICULAR LOTS THAT WE'RE, UH, THROUGH RESEARCH ARE, UM, GUESSING THAT THAT USED TO BE THE BACKYARD OF 5 0 9, UM, UH, UM, DAWSON STREET, EXCUSE ME. UM, IT WAS SUBDIVIDED AND SOLD, UH, A COUPLE OF TIMES. IT'S BEEN VACANT THIS WHOLE TIME JUST BECAUSE IT IS FACING AN ALLEY. IT'S THE ONLY MAIN STRUCTURE THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ON FACING THE ALLEY. THERE IS AN ADJACENT, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, LOCATED TO THE EAST, UM, THAT IS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE LOCATED AT FIVE 11 DAWSON. UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR LOT, BECAUSE IT IS FACING AN ALLEY, UM, IT MAKES IT, UH, IRREGULAR. THERE'S SOME HARDSHIPS THAT THE, THAT THE LOT FACES. SO WE'RE REQUESTING A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH INTERPRETATION OF THE GUIDELINES. UM, AND WE WILL GO INTO THAT IN JUST, UH, SHORTLY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S VACANT. IT'S, IT'S LOCATED, UH, TO THE, UM, WEST OF THE EXISTING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT IS, UH, LOCATED BEHIND THE MAIN HOUSE ON DAWSON STREET. WE ALSO HAVE A HISTORIC HOME THAT IS ON THE CORNER THAT'S LOCATED, UM, OFF OF NORTH CHERRY STREET. AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE REMAINING PORTION OF BOOKER ALLEY, WHICH RUNS FROM EAST TO WEST, UM, FOR TRAFFIC, UH, YOU ONLY SEE, UH, SOME, SOME DRIVEWAYS THAT LEAD TO THE GARAGES TO THE REAR OF THE HOMES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, THIS IS JUST A CLOSEUP VIEW. WE HAVE THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT'S, UM, LOCATED ON THE ADJACENT LOT THAT, UH, THE PRIMARY MATERIAL THERE IS, UH, STUCCO. UM, AND THEN IT HAS SOME WOOD COLUMNS IN THE FRONT AND TO THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE REAR OF THE HISTORIC HOME. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, THIS IS A CLOSEUP VIEW OF THE EXISTING A DU. UM, THIS IS PARTIALLY, UH, THIS IS WHAT PARTIALLY INSPIRED THE DESIGN OF, OF THE, UM, OF THE PROPOSED HOME AND THE A DU THAT, THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD. UM, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN YOUR PACKET IS, IS, UH, MUCH DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THE REVISED DESIGN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS AT THE VERY, UH, LAST FEW PAGES OF YOUR, OF YOUR PACKET. YOU'LL SEE THE UPDATED DESIGN. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, THIS KIND OF SHOWS THREE DIFFERENT, UH, AR WAYS, UH, THE LOCATION OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT, UM, ON THE [01:10:01] DAUDI HILL HISTORIC, UM, OVERLAY AREA. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S LOCATED ON THE WESTERN PORTION RIGHT AT THE END. UM, IT FACES CHERRY STREET, WHICH IS RIGHT WHERE THE BORDER IS OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, OF THE, UH, HISTORIC OVERLAY. AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON, UH, CHERRY, YOU'LL SEE THE FIRE STATION, UH, WHICH, WHICH WILL SHOW A CLOSEUP OF THAT SHORTLY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THAT'S THE FIRE STATION LOCATED RIGHT AT, RIGHT. JUST, UM, WELL, YOU CAN SEE THE ARROW WHERE THE, WHERE THE LOT IS. UM, THE VACANT LOT THAT IS JUST, UM, ACROSS FROM THAT. UM, ONCE THAT IS DEVELOPED, UH, THAT STRUCTURE, THE NEW STRUCTURE WILL NOT BE SEEN FROM, UM, FROM VEHICLES UNLESS YOU'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE, I THINK, TO THE ALLEY. AND, AND LOOK OVER TO YOUR LEFT. I DROVE THERE SEVERAL TIMES JUST TO KIND OF SEE HOW VISIBLE IT WOULD BE. RIGHT NOW IT'S VISIBLE TO VEHICLES THAT ARE DRIVING IN THAT DIRECTION. UM, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THAT'S DEVELOPED, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, THE, UH, PROPOSED REVISED DESIGN, UH, RESPECTS THE CHARACTER OF DAU HILL IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION. AND IT WAS INSPIRED BY THE RUTH'S HORIZONTAL FACADE FEATURES ON THE HISTORIC HOUSE AND THE CITY'S FIREHOUSE LOCATED AT FIVE 12 AND FIVE 18 NORTH CHERRY STREET, RESPECT RESPECTIVELY. UM, IN ADDITION TO THE FACADES, MAIN STUCCO MATERIAL AND BROWN ACCENT FEATURES OF THE ADJACENT A DU LOCATED AT, UM, FIVE 12 DAWSON STREET, OR FIVE 11 DAWSON STREET RATHER. UM, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE FIREHOUSE HAS THE HORIZONTAL FACADE FEATURE IN THE FRONT. UM, AND THEN IT HAS THE, UH, PITCHED ROOF THAT KIND OF GOES BACK INTO THE REAR. YOU CAN SEE THE A DU THAT IS LOCATED, UH, NEXT TO THE LOTS ON THE, UH, TOP RIGHT CORNER PICTURE THERE. IT HAS THE, UH, STUCCO AND THEN THE, THE WOOD COLUMNS. AND THEN YOU SEE THE HISTORIC, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT'S LOCATED ON THE CORNER, WHICH THE REAR OF IT IS FACING THE LOTS. AND YOU CAN SEE BOOKER ALLEY, UM, TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE THERE. BUT THAT ALSO HAS THE HORIZONTAL FEATURES AND THEN, UM, WHERE THE ROOF IS. BUT THEN YOU SEE A PITCHED ROOF, UM, AT THE TOP. SO THIS IS THE REVISED DESIGN. UM, IT'S LOCATED AT THE LAST FEW PAGES OF YOUR PACKET. UM, UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS WILL . WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, PLEASE THE DRC. WE, WE DID MEET. AND I WANNA THANK THE DRC, UM, RIGHT NOW FOR THE TIME AND PATIENCE THAT YOU'VE SPENT ON THIS. WE DID LAST MEET IN, UM, LAST MONTH. AND THE, UM, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED HAVING THE PITCHED ROOF ORIGINALLY HAD JUST FLAT ROOF, COMPLETE FLAT ROOF. SO WE DO HAVE THE PITCHED ROOF. WE REMOVED THE STONE THAT WAS IN THE FRONT. UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES IN THE AREA THAT HAVE A STONE, UH, FEATURES, BUT IT SEEMED TO KIND OF DISTRACT FROM THE HISTORIC HOME THAT WAS LOCATED ON THE CORNER, SO WE DIDN'T WANNA PULL AWAY FROM THAT. UM, AND WE HAD THE SIMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, STUCCO, UH, MATERIAL IN THE FRONT WITH THE WOOD, UH, COLUMNS, UM, IN CERTAIN AREAS ON THE SIDE IN THE BACK, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, DARK BROWN FEATURES THAT, UH, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE A DU THAT'S LOCATED AT ON THE ADJACENT LOT. WE ALSO HAVE, IF YOU SEE, UM, WHERE THE AWNINGS ARE, THAT DESIGN WAS, UH, SOMEWHAT INSPIRED BY THE FIREHOUSE THAT'S DOWN THE STREET. UH, THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT SHOWS THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY, UM, TWO AND A HALF STRUCTURES IS 32 AND A HALF STORY STRUCTURES ARE TYPICALLY, UH, NO HIGHER THAN, UH, TALLER THAN 35 FEET. AND SO THIS MEETS THAT REQUIREMENT. UH, WE DO HAVE AN, UH, PROPOSED A DU THAT'S ON THE SECOND LOT, AND ONCE THIS IS PLATTED THAT LOT LINE WILL BE REMOVED. BUT THE A DU, UH, COMPLIES WITH THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS, UM, OF THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, HISTORIC GUIDELINES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO DAUDI HILL, UM, OF COURSE WE'RE, WE WANNA MEET THE GUIDELINES, THE OVERALL GUIDELINES, IF, IF POSSIBLE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THAT PORTION OF THE DOCUMENT FOR DITY HILL, IT DOES STATE THAT LANDSCAPE, COMMON AREAS ARE NOT TYPICAL WITHIN DITY HILL, UM, YARDS, UM, ARE USUALLY, IF, IF THEY'RE LOCATED ON THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE DISTRICT WHERE THIS IS, UM, SOME YARDS INCLUDE, UH, THE RETAINING WALLS THAT, THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT'S ON THE CORNER ADJACENT TO THIS LOT DOES HAVE A, A RETAINING WALL ALONG THE SIDEWALK. UM, WE'RE, WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED SOME FANCY LANDSCAPING, BUT WE'RE THINKING THAT, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE DRC MEMBERS MENTIONED THAT MORE YARD SPACE IN THE BACK AND JUST [01:15:01] MORE GRASS IS, IS, UM, PREFERABLE. SO WE TRIED TO MEET THAT BY REMOVING ALL THE FANCY LANDSCAPING. UM, AND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY FENCE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S AN EXISTING WOODEN FENCE THAT MIGHT BE REPLACED, BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW. AND IF, UH, SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS OF THE ALLEY, THEN OF COURSE THAT WOULD BE PUT IN IF THAT'S REQUIRED. WE ARE WORKING WITH CPS ENERGY SINCE, UM, MOST OF THAT ALLEY, IF NOT ALL IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AN EASEMENT WITH CPS ENERGY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO HERE IS THE DESIGN OF THE REAR PART OF THE HOUSE. UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE MOSTLY PROBABLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FRONTAGE, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW THAT IT DOES HAVE THE WOOD COLUMNS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH MANY HOMES IN THE AREA. UM, AND THEN I ALSO DROVE AROUND THE AREA AND THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 13 HOMES, MAYBE 14, THAT HAVE, UH, PREDOMINANTLY OR IF NOT ALL, UH, STUCCO MATERIAL. UM, YOU THINK ONE OF THE NICE NICER ONES, I THINK IS ON 600, UM, UH, 600 BURNETT STREET, I THINK, OR MESQUITE, I'M SORRY. UM, AND THAT ALSO HAS FLAT ROOFS. SO, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME HOUSES THAT ARE THAT, THAT HAVE THE FLAT ROOF, UM, DESIGN AS WELL AS THE, THE MAIN, UH, MATERIAL BEING STUCCO. UM, HERE'S A SITE PLAN TO SHOW WHERE THE SETBACKS ARE. I THINK ORIGINALLY WE HAD SETBACKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S AN ANTIQUATED LOT, AND IF IT'S ANTIQUATED AND WE'RE NOT PLATTING THEN, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN SETBACKS THAT, THAT ARE FLEXIBLE. BUT WE ARE GOING TO PLA. SO, UM, WE CHANGED THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW THE SETBACKS. UM, WE ALSO HAVE A ROOF OVERVIEW ON THE RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PITCHED ROOFS ARE LOCATED, WHICH CHANGES THE DESIGN DRASTICALLY. UM, WE DID MEASURE JUST, UH, APPROXIMATELY THE SETBACK OF THE A DU THAT'S LOCATED, UM, THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE, THE PROPERTY THAT FACES, UH, BOOKER ALLEY. AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN, UM, 10 FEET. UM, AND THEN THE SIDE SETBACK FOR THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE CORNER IS 5.66, UH, FEET. I THINK THAT, UM, EDWARD HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE, YOU KNOW, UH, EXCEED THOSE SETBACKS, UM, IF POSSIBLE, WHICH WE HAVE DONE. SO, UM, THIS IS JUST A, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE BACK INTO THE AREA. THIS IS SUCH A CHALLENGING LOT. UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE ONLY LOT THAT'S FACING THE ALLEY, AND IT'S A VERY SMALL LOT. SO, UM, WE APPRECIATE ANY FLEXIBILITY THAT WE CAN GET DUE TO THE HARDSHIPS. UM, THIS, THIS, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT WILL, UM, CONTRIBUTE TO THE REVITALIZATION OF THE AREA AND ALSO ENCOURAGE OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AS WELL. UM, HE, UH, RAM WORKS, UH, CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN AND HE'S IN THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY. SO THIS ALSO, UH, MEETS THE GOALS OF, YOU KNOW, BEING IN AN AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, UM, BE CLOSE BY TO WHERE, WHERE YOU WORK. UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANTED TO CLARIFY BEFORE MY 10 SECONDS IS UP, UM, THAT WE DO HAVE SOME GARAGE SPACE IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE HOUSE, WHICH I THINK THE DESIGNER JUST PUT IN THERE AS GARAGES, BUT HE DOESN'T TEND TO USE, UM, THAT SPACE, UH, THE EXTRA SPACE AS STORAGE AND ALSO MAYBE A WORKSHOP OR FITNESS ROOM. WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION, . THANK YOU. UM, QUESTION FROM THE COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR. COULD, COULD WE BEGIN WITH WHO, WITH, UH, DRC PEOPLE? UH, ACTUALLY BEFORE WE DO THAT, JUST LISTEN TO THE VOICEMAIL FIRST. UH, THERE ARE TWO VOICEMAILS. I'LL PLAY BOTH AT THIS TIME. THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, 1146 SOUTH ALAMO, TWO TEN TWO TWO FOUR SIX ONE SIX THREE. REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 13, 5 0 8 AND FIVE 10 BOOKER ALLEY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH THE OHP STAFF FINDINGS, BUT THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO SETBACKS, ROOF FORMS, FENESTRATION MATERIALS, AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES, AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WHITTY HILL. WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 9 3, LOCATED AT 5 0 8 5 10 BOOKER ALLEY. WE AGREE WITH OH P'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THIS APPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS WE RECOMMENDED DENIAL THE FIRST TIME THIS APPLICANT PRESENTED HIS CASE. DIG, WHITTY HILL HAS BEEN A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE FOUGHT TO KEEP HISTORIC. THIS INCLUDES THE DESIGN OF ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH SHOULD COMPLIMENT WHAT HAS BEEN HERE FOR WELL [01:20:01] OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. THERE ARE SO MANY STIPULATIONS DUE TO THE DESIGN AND MASSING OF NOT JUST THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO THE SECONDARY STRUCTURE. THAT'S, THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO RECOMMEND ANY TYPE OF APPROVAL FOR ANY OF THE DESIGN FEATURES SUBMITTED. OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE WHEN CONSTRUCTION OF NEW STRUCTURES ARE REQUESTED FOR AN ALLEY ARE WHERE ARE VISITORS SUPPOSED TO PARK AND HOW IS TRASH GOING TO BE COLLECTED? THE ALLEY MUST REMAIN OPEN TO VEHICLES DRIVING ALONG IT TO GET TO HOMEOWNER'S BACKYARDS OR FROM CHERRY STREET TO MESQUITE STREET, AND IT CANNOT BE BLOCKED BY ANYONE PARKING IN THE ALLEY. WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO GUARANTEE THAT THIS STIPULATION IS MET. ONE ITEM WE'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH. OHP IS A FINDING THAT THE SECONDARY STRUCTURE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AN A DU. IT SITS ON ITS OWN LOT WITH ITS OWN ADDRESS AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS A SEPARATE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, UM, AND, UM, THE DRC, SO WHO ATTENDED THE DRC FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE? CAN WE HAVE A REPORT FROM THE DRC? YES, I ATTENDED, UH, DRC AND THE, THE PLANS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, WERE THE PREVIOUS DESIGNS, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS, THAT WAS AT EDWARD ON YES, WITH THE FLAT ROOFS, WITH THE STONEWORK, WITH THE, UM, THE, UH, THIRD FLOOR OR ROOFTOP, UH, PATIO. UH, AND THE PLAN HAD A MUCH LARGER DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE, WHICH INCLUDED A SWIMMING POOL AND A MUCH LARGER REAR COVERED PATIO, UH, COVERED DECK AND, UH, IN THESE LATEST DRAWINGS. SO SOME OF THAT, UH, SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS THAT WE SAID WERE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SOME OF 'EM HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. UH, SOME OF 'EM I THINK STILL REMAIN. UM, I BELIEVE ONE IS, UM, WELL, I WON'T COMMENT ON THE, THE NEW DESIGN, BUT THE DRC HAD REMARKED ON, UM, LOOKING AT THE FRONT LOADED GARAGE THAT PROJECTS OUT FURTHER THAN THE REST OF THE HOUSE. UH, THE WIDTH, UM, OF THE A DU GARAGE AND DRIVEWAY. UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE WAS COMMENTED ON? UH, WINDOWS WERE, UM, ALIGNMENT IN SIZE AND, AND PROPORTION OF THE WINDOWS WAS, UM, UH, DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S TYPICALLY IN THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND, UH, LOT COVERAGE WAS, WAS ONE QUESTION THAT WE HAD. AND I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, MS. RAMOS HAS A PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE, UH, ON THE NEW PLAN. UM, WELL, I, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE LOT COVERAGE, I BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, GUIDELINES STATE THAT IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. AND WHEN I COMPARED IT WITH THE OTHER AREAS, THE OTHER AREAS SHOW THAT IT'S, IT, UM, THE PERCENTAGE OF THE LOT COVERAGE IS MUCH GREATER THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. I CAN GET THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE. UM, BUT IF YOU, UH, IF YOU, I, I HAVE PHOTOS ON MY PHONE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, SIDE SET SETBACK, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE HISTORIC COMB THAT'S LOCATED ON THE CORNER, THEIR SIDE SETBACK IS ONLY 5.66 FEET. UM, AND THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, HAS A KIND OF A, LIKE A PARKING AREA IN THE BACK. SO, UM, THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER, UM, YOU KNOW, IS GREATER THAN WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, AND I DID LOOK AT THE SMALLER HOMES AS WELL. AND I THINK, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, YOU KNOW, AS DITY HILLS, UH, SECTION OF THE HISTORIC, UH, GUIDELINES STATE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO FURTHER TO THE WEST, THERE ARE MORE IR IRREGULARITIES AND SO FORTH. UM, SO WE DID, UM, ADD MORE YARDAGE SPACE, AND AS YOU STATED, WE DID, UH, REMOVE THE POOL. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AS FAR AS THE GARAGE IS CONCERNED, UM, SINCE IT DOES FACE THE ALLEY, UH, IT IS TYPICAL FOR, [01:25:01] UH, THAT PARTICULAR ALLEY TO HAVE GARAGES FACING, UM, FACING IT, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GO INTO THE GARAGE AGAIN, SINCE THIS PARTICULAR, THESE TWO LOTS, UM, IT'S THE, IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS LIKE A MAIN STRUCTURE FACING THE ALLEY. SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT. THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO PUT THE GARAGE, REALLY. UM, IF, IF THE CONCERN IS THAT THE GARAGE SEEMS TO PROTRUDE OUTWARD, THEN HE CAN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, MOVE, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVE IT OR CHANGE IT SO THAT YOU KNOW IT'S LEVEL WITH THE HOUSE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A, A SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT YOU'D BE REQUIRING. BUT, UM, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THIS IS A IRREGULAR LOT. IT IS ANTIQUATED. UM, AND SO, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THE DESIGN. UM, OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRIED TO DEVELOP THIS LOT, JUST, IT'S JUST TOO HARD TO DEVELOP. UM, AND IN THIS AREA WHERE IT'S BLIGHTED, IT, IT WOULD JUST BE, UM, I THINK IT, IT, IT JUSTIFIES HAVING SOME FLEXIBILITY. UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN DISCUSS WITH MY CLIENT. AND I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY, I BELIEVE THE TWO VOICE MESSAGES WERE IN REFERENCE TO THE OLD DESIGN. UM, SO I CAN SEND THEM THE NEW DESIGN THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE FURTHER INPUT ON THAT. THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR? YES, I HAVE QUESTIONS. UM, YOU'VE REFERENCED DIG WHITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, UH, SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE DRC AND NOW, WHICH DOCUMENT, WHAT DOCUMENT ARE YOU REFERRING TO? UM, WHEN YOU GO TO THE, UM, WEBSITE AND THEY PULL, YOU PULL UP THE HISTORIC OVERLAY GUIDELINES, THERE ARE CERTAIN SECTIONS IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE UNIQUE FEATURES AND SO FORTH. AND THAT WAS THE INPUT THAT THEY GAVE TOWARDS THIS PROCESS. SO I'M TRYING TO RESPECT WHOSE WEBSITE, THE CITY'S WEBSITE, THE CITY'S WEB. UM, EDWARD, CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THOSE ARE, WHAT THIS IS? UM, THERE ARE A FEW NEIGHBORHOODS OR HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFIC GUIDELINES MM-HMM. THAT HAVE BEEN CODIFIED AND ADOPTED WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT. BUT I DON'T THINK DIG, WHITTY HILL IS ONE OF THOSE, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. OH, OKAY. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, THE ACTUAL QUOTES THAT I PUT IN THERE ARE FROM THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT THAT THEY, UH, PREPARED PAGE, PARDON ME, YOU KNOW, WHICH PAGE. UM, I CAN LOOK AND SEE IF, IF YOU WANNA, I CAN SEND YOU THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT. LET ME SEE IF I SAVED IT IN MY COMPUTER. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE USING THE SAME SET OF GUIDELINES. WE'RE LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY ON THE SAME PAGE. YES. AND, AND LET ME JUST CLARIFY. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE HISTORIC OVERLAY GUIDELINES, DESIGN GUIDELINES. UM, I JUST LIKE TO GO TO EACH SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN A CLIENT COMES TO ME, BECAUSE EACH NEIGHBORHOOD IS SO DIFFERENT. I WANNA RESPECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED, WHAT INFORMATION THEY HAVE ACTUALLY PROVIDED. UM, I DID REFERENCE, UM, I KNOW THAT EDWARD STATED THAT THE MEMOS, UM, DOESN'T REFERENCE THE NEW DESIGN. SO I DID GO THROUGH EACH, UM, EACH GUIDELINE, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, PREPARED NOTATIONS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLIED WITH EACH ONE. SO I HAD THAT ON MY COMPUTER. UM, I, I, UH, ADDRESSED THE BUILDING AND ENTRANCE ORIENTATION AS THIS IS THE ONLY LOT FACING BOOK RALLY, SO THERE'S NO OTHER HOUSES WITHIN THE FRONT SETBACK ALONG BOOK RALLY. HOWEVER, THE FRONT SETBACK IS ALIGNED WITH AN EXISTING A DU ON THE ADJACENT LOT FACING BOOK RALLY AS REQUESTED BY DRC. IT ACTUALLY GOES BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN, THAN THAT ONE. UM, AS FAR AS THE FACADE AND ORIENTATION, UM, I PUT PLACE FACADE OF THE HOUSE AND THE A DU CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT A DU, AND THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER STRUCTURES LOCATED ON BOOKER RALLY. UM, UH, I ALSO, UH, REFERENCED THE 13 HOUSES THAT ARE, UM, NOT VERY FAR FROM THIS HOUSE THAT ALL HAVE FACADE AND, AND, UH, A FACADE. I MEAN, UH, UM, I'M SORRY, UM, STUCCO FACADE. UM, SO THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, SHOWN THAT IT'S, UM, HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTED IN THAT MANNER. UM, AS FAR AS THE ORIENTATION, UM, FOR THE ENTRANCE AND SO FORTH, AGAIN, THERE'S NO OTHER HOUSES FACING BOOKER ALLEY. UM, AS FAR AS THE SCALE AND MASS, I, I PLACED THAT IT COMPLIES. I DID LOOK AT THE OTHER, UH, PROPERTIES THAT, UM, [01:30:01] THE ROOF FORM, THE PITCHED ROOFS WERE INCORPORATED. UM, AND THE, UH, AS FAR AS THE STUCCO, I DO HAVE THE ADDRESSES AS 600 MESQUITE STREET. THAT'S A TWO AND A HALF STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT STUCCO AND ALSO HAS THE FLAT ROOF. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE 12 HOUSES THAT ARE TWO AND A HALF STORIES LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF CHERRY STREET AND BURNETT STREET THAT LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE FROM, FROM THE DESIGN. IT, IT, IT APPEARS TO HAVE A FLAT ROOF. THERE IS LIKE A PITCHED, A LITTLE BIT OF A PITCHED ROOF ON, ON THERE. I THINK THEY PROBABLY DID THAT TO COMPLY. UM, BUT THAT ALSO HAS A STUCCO FACADE ON THE FRONT. UM, AS FAR AS THE LOCK COVERAGE, I PUT THE ADJACENT HISTORIC HOME LOCATED AT FIVE 12. CHERRY STREET HAS A BUILDING FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY, UM, 75% AS DO SURROUNDING HISTORIC HOMES ON CHERRY STREET. I CAN SHOW YOU MY, UM, CALCULATIONS IF YOU WANT. I CAN SEND THOSE TO YOU. UM, AS FAR AS THE, UM, NEW MATERIALS, UM, IT SAYS USED MATERIALS THAT COMPLIMENT THE TYPE, COLOR AND TEXTURE OF MATERIALS TRADITIONALLY FOUND IN THE DISTRICT. UM, MATERIALS SHOULD NOT BE TO SO DISSIMILAR AS TO DISTRACT FROM HISTORIC INTERPRETATION OF THE DISTRICT. UM, SO I PUT THAT, YOU KNOW, RESPONDED. STUCCO WITH WOOD COLUMNS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT LOTS, A DU AND THE OTHER HOMES, UH, THAT ARE NEARBY THAT I REFERENCED. UM, AS FAR AS THE ROOF MATERIALS, UH, SELECT ROOF MATERIALS THAT ARE SIMILAR IN TERMS OF FORM, COLOR AND TEXTURE, UH, WE'RE GONNA, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, UH, COMPOSITE SHINGLES WITH TWO BY SIX WOOD RAFTERS, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FORM, COLOR AND TEXTURE USED IN DITY HILL. UM, THEY, THEY MENTIONED METAL ROOFS IN, IN THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. I PUT IT NON APPLICABLE. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE, UM, PROPOSING METAL ROOFS. UH, AS FAR AS THE, UH, IN IMITATION OR SYNTHETIC MATERIALS. DO NOT USE VINYL SIDING, PLASTIC OR, OR, UH, METAL SHEETING. CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, NOT, MATERIALS NOT TRADITIONALLY USED IN THE DISTRICT, SUCH AS BRICK OR STONE VENEER, HARDY BOARD, ET CETERA, UM, SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR, UM, OR MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SOME LOCATIONS. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING STUCCO, WHICH HAS BEEN USED IN AT LEAST 13 OTHER HOMES, UM, JUST WITHIN THE TWO BLOCK, UM, VICINITY, UH, THE HISTORIC CONTEXT WE DID. AGAIN, UM, NEW DESIGN, DESIGN OF NEW BUILDINGS SHOULD REFLECT THEIR TIME WHILE RESPECTING THE HISTORIC CONTEXT. WHILE NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD NOT ATTEMPT TO MIRROR OR REPLICATE HISTORIC FEATURES, NEW STRUCTURES SHOULD NOT BE SO DISSIMILAR AS TO DISTRACT FROM OR DIMINISH THE HISTORIC INTERPRETATION OF THE DISTRICT. SO WE INCORPORATED THE PITCHED ROOFS. UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, FACADE DETAILS COMPLIMENT THE CHARACTER OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC HOME. UM, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE DETAILS ARE VERY SIMPLE. UM, IT SAYS ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE MORE ORNATE OR ELABORATE, UM, WITHIN THE DISTRICT, OR INAPPROPRIATE. WE BELIEVE THAT THE REVISED DESIGN IS A SIMPLE, THEY'RE SIMPLE DETAILS. THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH TO, UM, DISCUSS AS FAR AS THE DETAILS IN REGARDS TO IT'S NOT, UM, ELABORATE. UM, WE DO HAVE SIMPLE, CONTEMPORARY, DARK BROWN ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS, UM, AND FRAMES THAT ARE PROPOSED. AND AGAIN, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, STRUCTURE THAT'S JUST RIGHT NEXT DOOR, AS WELL AS OTHER HOMES THAT ARE IN THE AREA. UM, THE DESIGNING CHARACTER, I PUT THAT, UH, THE MASSING AND FORM, UH, THE WINDOWS AND DOORS, GARAGE DOORS, IT COMPLIES. UM, THE, UM, HISTORIC GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT, UH, GARAGES ARE TO BE ACCESSED BY THE ALLEYWAY. SO, UM, SO WE HAVE THAT. UM, AS FAR AS PLANTINGS, I, I DID THE RESEARCH. ADJACENT HOMES HAVE NO LANDSCAPING AND THEY HAVE SIMPLE LAWN. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, AS FAR AS THE ROCKS OR HARDSCAPE, UM, WE, I RESPONDED ASPHALT DRIVEWAYS LOCATED OFF BOOKER ALLEY OR HISTORICALLY CONSTRUCTED LEADING TO GARAGES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOMES THAT ARE, UM, OFF OF BOOKER ALLEY, THERE ARE SOME OF THE, LIKE JUST UNCONSTRUCTED DRIVEWAYS, IF YOU WILL, OR ACCESS. BUT OTHERS ARE, UM, ASPHALT. UM, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TREES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REMOVING. UM, AND AGAIN, I ADDRESS THE SIDEWALKS, IF IT'S REQUIRED, WE WILL PUT THAT IN. UM, AS FAR AS THE LOCATION FOR ACCESS, IT SPECIFICALLY STATES DESIGN. IT'S TELLING US TO DESIGN OFF STREET PARKING AREAS TO BE ACCESSED FROM THE ALLEYS. SO, UH, WE DO HAVE THE GARAGES THAT ARE ACCESSED FROM THE ALLEY. UM, AND, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT, UH, AS WELL. AND WE ARE ASKING FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY OF THE GUIDELINES DUE TO THE HARDSHIPS OF THE PROPERTY. UM, I PUT IN THE POWERPOINT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AGAIN, THIS IS AN ANTIQUATED LOT AND IT FACES THE ALLEY, SO [01:35:01] IT'S REALLY HARD TO, UM, LIKE THE FRONT DOOR, FOR INSTANCE, EDWARD AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT. THE FRONT DOOR, UM, SHOULD BE FACING A MAIN STREET, BUT, UM, REALLY THERE'S NO MAIN STREET AND WE COULD MOVE THE DOOR TO THE SIDE AND HAVE IT ADDRESSED AS CHERRY STREET. WE COULD EASILY, YOU KNOW, DO THAT IF THAT'S AN ISSUE. BUT I MEAN, I THINK THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GAUDY OR, OR SO DIFFERENT FROM, UM, THE DESIGN FEATURES OF THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT YOU DON'T, UM, UH, HAVE THIS SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC HOMES AND THEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT JUST LIKE, WHERE DID THAT COME FROM, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW, BASED AGAIN ON THE SLIDE OF THE POWERPOINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, I REFERENCED THE THREE STRUCTURES THAT ARE THE CLOSEST TO THE ALLEY, AND THAT IS THE A DU THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT OFF OF, UH, THE ALLEY, UM, NEXT TO THE HOUSE, WHICH IS UP ON THE TOP RIGHT OF THAT PHOTO THERE. UM, STUCCO WOOD COLUMN, EVERYTHING THAT MR. CHAIR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IS IN THERE AS WELL AS THE OTHER TWO STRUCTURES. HOW LONG DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE? WELL, SHE'S ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY. RESPOND TO WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINA STATED. SO, OKAY. YEAH, I'M SORRY. IT, IT IS LONG. I MEAN, THE, THE, THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES ARE, ARE REALLY LONG. SO I WAS TRYING TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT. I DID GO THROUGH ALL THE GUIDE ACTUAL GUIDELINES, BUT I ALSO WENT, WENT FURTHER AND, UM, LOOKED AT THE NUITY HILLS, UM, DISTRICT FEATURES, WHICH I THINK EDWARD HAS PULLED UP. YEAH. UM, TO, TO, UH, RESPECT THAT AS WELL. RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS TO CLARIFY. UH, SO WE DO HAVE SOME DISTRICT SPECIFIC GUIDELINES, HOWEVER, CHAPTER SEVEN OF THE GUIDELINES GIVES GENERAL, UM, ELEMENTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE FOUND THROUGHOUT ALL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND IT BREAKS IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS THAT ARE HISTORICALLY FOUND OR CURB CUTS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT STREET OR OR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THERE ARE. UM, BUT I, I THINK WHAT MAY BE HELPFUL, UM, AND I CAN, UH, WALK US THROUGH THIS, IF, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE ARE IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT ARE NUMBERED, UH, THAT YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT OR WOULD LIKE A CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, LET ME KNOW. I CAN READ THOSE OUT LOUD AND THEN WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS CENTER AROUND THOSE, UH, THAT MAY, UH, DIRECT OUR CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY TO EXACT, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS. WELL, MI, MR. CHAIR, I, I, UH, I'M GONNA TAKE A FULL ADVANTAGE OF WHAT, WHAT, UM, EDWARD IS, UM, OFFERED. THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES THAT, OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE HERE ARE THE STIPULATIONS ARE VERY EXTENSIVE. SO THEY'RE ALMOST THE TYPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE GROUND ZERO, UH, CLEAN SLATE BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT IT MEETS NONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. NOW, UH, SO WITH RESPECT TO ASKING A QUESTION, IT, IT, IT, IT ALMOST SEEMS THAT THE, THE MORE APPROPRIATE QUESTION TO ASK WOULD BE, UH, SHOULD WE NOT, UM, BE AS DIRECT TO THE APPLICANT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BE, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT, AND, AND WE'RE NOT IN DISCUSSION, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A MOTION, I THINK, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT IT'D BE BEST TO MAKE A MOTION AND, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A STRAIGHTFORWARD DISCUSSION, WHICH IS, AT THIS LEVEL IS A LITTLE MORE PHILOSOPHICAL, I THINK, WHICH I KNOW WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET INTO PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION HERE. RIGHT. BUT WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. BECAUSE AS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS SUCH AN EXTENSIVE RECOMMENDATION IS, WE'RE GONNA BE HERE WITHOUT GETTING ANYWHERE. I RESPECT THAT. SO WHAT, BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, WE DO HAVE TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMISSION TO ASK QUESTION BEFORE WE DO GET INTO THAT. SO IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. NO, SIR. SO, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, WHEN YOU GUYS WERE DESIGNING THIS, YOU TOLD YOUR DESIGNER, DRAW ME A HOUSE, I WANT A HOUSE. THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT, WHAT STYLE, WHAT WAS YOUR APPROACH? UH, NOT THIS, NOT THIS ONE. 'CAUSE I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BASED ON AN, AN OTHER, UH, A DIFFERENT DESIGN BEFORE IT WAS REVISED. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. UM, BUT, UH, MY CLIENT HAD A VISION OF WHAT HE WANTED BEFORE HE BOUGHT THE LOT. AND THEN WHEN HE BOUGHT THE LOT, I THINK HE TRIED TO DISCUSS WITH THE CITY, YOU KNOW, CAN I DO THIS? AND THEN HE STARTED TO GO THROUGH THE EDUCATION PROCESS OF WAS THIS IN A HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, ET CETERA, ET ET CETERA. UM, SO, UH, HE RETAINED ME AFTER I THINK THE FIRST MEETING WITH OHP AND, AND MAYBE DRC TO HELP ME, UH, OR TO HELP TO HELP HIM UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND ALSO, UH, HELP, UH, MAKE [01:40:01] RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AND BRING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM DRC ON, ON HOW I COULD REVISE THE DESIGN. SO, OKAY. I, I WAS LOOKING MORE FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE A HOUSE IN THIS STYLE OR THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF ARCHITECTURAL, UH, DEFINITION OR A STYLE THAT WOULD FIT THE HOUSE, BUT, OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S, YEAH, I MEAN, OR YEAH, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AFTER THE ORIGINAL DRAFT DESIGN WAS PREPARED AND HE FOUND THE LOT, THEN HE REVISED IT, UH, WITH INSPIRATION ON THE THREE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURES THAT WERE NEARBY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION. I, I WILL MAKE A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY, SIR. UM, AND REAL QUICK QUESTION FOR, UH, COREY, UM, IS WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A, A MOTION FOR DENIAL AND A MOTION TO ACCEPT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? IT WOULD NEED TO BE A DENIAL. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. WE, WE DID INCLUDE THE STIPULATION SO THAT THERE WOULD BE DIRECTION AS TO WHICH, UM, CHANGES WOULD BE FAVORABLE OR CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, JUST SO THAT IT WAS THERE. UM, WE LIKE TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER TO TRY TO MAKE THIS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH SOME OF THOSE STIPULATIONS OR TO DENY. OKAY. UH, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. SECOND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. I'M SORRY, THAT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. CONCEPTUAL. ALRIGHT. THIS WE MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION, PLEASE. I JUST WANT TO NOTE, I MEAN, BASED ON THE COMMENTS THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE COMMISSION AND THE APPLICANT THAT THIS WOULD REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL REDESIGN. UH, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S NECESSARILY, UH, ONE OR TWO OR THREE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT COULD BE CHANGED AND KEEP THE SAME FOOTPRINT AND OVERALL MASSING THAT WOULD THEN RESULT IN THIS BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES OR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO WANT TO MAKE THAT KNOWN TO EVERYONE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE AS SIMPLE AS CHANGING A ROOF FORM OR MOVING A WINDOW OR ADDING A WINDOW. MR. CHAIR, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. OKAY, SIR. UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER AND, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A, A, UM, A, UM, I GUESS A CRITICISM OF THE DESIGN, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN PER SE. YEAH. UH, IT DID GO BEFORE DRC AND THE DRC DID GIVE YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I THINK WHAT THAT KIND OF SHOWS IS THAT, UH, TAKING A DESIGN THAT ISN'T TRYING TO, UH, UH, MIMIC THE HISTORIC, UH, CHARACTER OF EXISTING BUILDINGS, IT DOESN'T MAKE A BUILDING BETTER. IT, IT, IT CAN RUIN A BUILDING BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS TRYING TO BE A STATEMENT OF IT ON ITS OWN. RIGHT? RIGHT. NOW, THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS THAT ARE COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH, WITH, WITH JUST AS FORMS THAT SOMEBODY COULD SAY IS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THAT AREA. LIKE THE, LIKE THE, LIKE THE FRONT LOADED GARAGE FOR INSTANCE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR FLOOR PLAN, CLEARLY THERE'S A FACADE WHERE THAT FRONT, THAT FRONT LOADED GARAGE CAN GO BACK, BE SUBORDINATE TO THE, TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. BUT THEN IT DOES RAISE THE QUESTION WHY YOU WOULD THINK, RIGHT? AND I DON'T MEAN THIS TO, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A MEAN WAY, JUST AS A QUESTION. YEAH. WHY YOU WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD GET TWO GARAGES, RIGHT? BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOUR A DU, THE GRANNY FLAT, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, WOULD BE THE GARAGE IN THE BACK AND YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT ON TOP OF IT, BUT THAT WOULD BE YOUR GARAGE, RIGHT? SO YOU'D HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE. BUT THIS PROPOSAL IS SAYING NOT ONLY DO I WANT A DETACHED GARAGE, BUT I WANT A TWO LOADED CAR, CAR LOADED GARAGE THAT SITS IN THE FRONT, RIGHT? WHICH WOULD MEAN TYPICALLY YOU WOULDN'T EVEN GET THAT, RIGHT? YOU'D HAVE THE GARAGE THAT'S BEHIND THAT. SO AS IT STARTS TO REVEAL ITSELF BASED ON THE CHARACTER OF WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN THAT COMMUNITY, IT HAS ELEMENTS THAT, THAT FINDS ITS WAY TO THAT SPACE. AND YOU HAVE A GOOD FLOOR PLAN, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING FLOOR PLAN. NOW IT'S COMPLETELY ALIEN FROM WHAT'S IN THAT AREA. BUT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WOULD BE, IF I COULD HAVE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WOULD BE SUPPOSED TO BE ALIEN, RIGHT? IT'S NOT TRYING TO COPY ANYTHING. THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE STONE IS REMOVED AND THAT IT JUST BECOMES ONE MATERIAL AND IT BECOMES VERY SIM SYMBOLIC. LIKE LOOK AT THE RETA LIBRARY DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE SHOULDN'T FIT, BUT WE ALL APPRECIATE IT AND NOW IT'S PART OF OUR TOWN, RIGHT? SO ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT EDWARD SAID, IT, IT SETS ITSELF UP TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN HAVE A HOUSE LIKE THAT 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET ANY GUIDELINES, WHICH I THINK IS WRONG, BUT THAT JUST PUTS MORE PRESSURE ON YOU TO COME UP WITH THAT DESIGN THAT YOU WANT ALMO ALMOST EXACTLY AS YOU HAVE IT. MM-HMM. . BUT THAT IT HAS TO GO TO THE LEVEL OF BEING WHAT IT IS IN AN EXCELLENT FORM SO THAT NO [01:45:01] ONE CAN SAY, UH, THAT HOUSE DOESN'T BELONG. AND I'D GIVE YOU JUST ONE LAST POINT. GO DOWN PINE STREET IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH AND THERE'S SOME VERY BAD EXAMPLES OF THIS TYPE OF STUFF THAT YOU CAN ONLY ASK YOURSELF, HOW DID THAT, HOW DID THAT GET APPROVED? AND IT COULD MAKE YOU SAY, WELL, IF THEY GOT APPROVED, I SHOULD GET APPROVED. WHICH WOULD BE THE WRONG RESPONSE BECAUSE YOU WANNA DO IT BETTER, RIGHT? YES, SIR. SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. AND UH, AS FAR MR. CHAIR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT WE'RE GONNA END UP DOING ABOUT NOT TELLING SOMEBODY YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU DO IT. OR, UM, UH, KIND OF MEETING THEM HALFWAY AND SAYING YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT IT'S GOTTA REACH THE LEVEL OF WELL-DEVELOPED ARCHITECTURE. THANK YOU SIR. MR. CHAIR, GO, SIR, I JUST NEED A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FROM COUNSEL. SO THE, I GUESS THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE, UH, WHAT IS BEFORE US THE MOTION WAS THE MOTION WAS CO OKAY. IT'S NOT ANY KIND OF DENIAL AT ALL. NOT AS A STAND IN THE MOTION RIGHT NOW. SO STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL, BUT, UM, BUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. BUT, BUT EDWARD MADE THIS POINT EARLIER, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE COMMUNICATING TO THE APPLICANT THAT WE ARE EXPECTING DESIGN CHANGES WHEN THIS COMES BACK. YES SIR. WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND IT WOULD, AND, AND LET ME SAY, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY TO LOOK THIS OVER BECAUSE THIS WAS A DESIGN THAT WAS JUST REVISED, I THINK THE DAY BEFORE THIS WAS PUBLISHED. SO, UH, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO COME BACK TO DRC AGAIN. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK AGAIN. SHOULD WE COME BACK TO DRC? WELL LET'S, WELL LET'S GO AND FINISH THIS AND THEN WE'LL SEE HOW THE MOTION GOES AND THEN WE WILL, THEY'LL DECIDE FROM THAT POINT THERE. SO, SO, MIKE, GO AHEAD, SIR. SO I GUESS I, I WAS JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PICK APART THE STAFF STIPULATIONS AND CONCEPTUAL IT IS, IT IS MY OPINION THAT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE EVEN, YOU KNOW, HALFWAY THERE TO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON THE STIPULATIONS THERE. THEY JUST DON'T, THEY JUST DON'T GO TOGETHER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD SUPPORT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 'CAUSE THE CONCEPT IS SO FAR AWAY FROM WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. THAT'S UNDERSTOOD, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, FURTHER THE DISCUSSION, IT IT AFTER IF THERE, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I DO HAVE SOMETHING I WANNA SAY, BUT OTHERWISE YEAH. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I'M READY TO DISCUSS. I, I THINK, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF TRUTH IN, UM, STAFF'S CAVEATS, UM, IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REALLY MAKE THESE, UM, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, SATISFACTORY. SO I'LL JUMP TO THE POINT. UM, MY THOUGHT ON THIS IS THAT YOUR LOT, THE UNUSUAL, UNUSUAL CONFIGURATION OR SHAPE OR DIMENSION POSITION, LOCATION OF YOUR LOT IS NOT THAT UNUSUAL IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE ARE LOTS OF THEM. THERE ARE EVEN SMALLER LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. MM-HMM. THAT MEET THE GUIDELINES. SO I KNOW IT'S POSSIBLE AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK, UM, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM TO GO BACK, WIPE THE SLATE. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU GET DENIED OR NOT, YOU GET DENIED AND YOU START ALL OVER. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN. ONE 18 MAY 3 11, 3 13 NORTH PINE, 10 39 NORTH MESQUITE, ALL OF THOSE HAVE LOTS THAT ARE EQUAL OR SMALLER IN SIZE THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE TWO, UH, THREE TWOS, THREE, TWO AND A HALF WITH DRIVEWAY PARKING ACCESS ON SHALLOW LOTS. SO I WOULD, THAT'S THE DIRECTION, THE STRAIGHT TALK THAT I WOULD PROVIDE IS JUST RE REIMAGINE WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS AND WHAT THE LOT IS, WHAT THE LOT'S SAYING, WHAT IS THE LOT SAYING TO YOU, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY STRAIGHT TALK ON THAT ONE TO BE DIRECT AT COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ'S, UM, INVITATION. MR. MR. CHAIR, THANK, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. I HAVE 1 0, 1 MOMENT. UM, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTIONS THERE, SIR? I, I JUST, I HAD SOME JUST CLARITY, UM, ON MY MOTION. UM, THE SPIRIT OF IT REALLY IS THAT IT YOU, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IN ORDER TO [01:50:01] BE IN, UH, CONCERT WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THE, THE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REIMAGINED. SO, UM, I, I DON'T SEE, UM, AGAIN, SO SPEAKING TO COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER TREVINO, UM, I, I, I WANT TO LEAVE AN OUT AND THAT WAS SORT OF WHAT I'M THINKING IS LEAVING OUT FOR YOU TO COME BACK. BUT THERE ARE SO MANY STIPULATIONS HERE THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A STRUCTURE THAT WILL BE GREAT AND WILL GO THERE. IT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, I I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THE SPIRIT OF THIS MOTION, WHETHER IT WAS A DENIAL OR, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, WHAT, WHAT I'D LOVE TO SEE IS SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT INFILL IN THE AREA WOULD BE GREAT. UM, IT JUST DOESN'T, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. THAT'S IT. COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU RETRACTING? NO. OKAY. UM, OKAY, SIR. WELL, WELL, AND I, AND I WANT TO, UH, JUST CLARIFY THE OWNER'S HERE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. THERE, THERE'S TO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M ONE IN A BUNCH OF VOTES, RIGHT? I, I, I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY FINE FOR A PERSON TO PRESENT THEIR PERSPECTIVE AND TO, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE IN A BUILDING THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF THEIR CULTURE, RIGHT? WHATEVER, HOWEVER THAT IS DEFINED. IF I WAS COMING FROM TERRE AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS WHERE MY FAMILY'S FROM, I WOULD WANT A BUILDING THAT WAS PROBABLY IN THAT STYLE. UM, OF COURSE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE WELL DONE MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN THIS. SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED WELL DONE, BUT MOST DEFINITELY, I, I KNOW OF NO PRACTICE WHERE SOMEONE CAN BRING A BUILDING THAT HAS A PARTICULAR, UM, STREAMLINE, UH, THEORY BEHIND IT. AND THAT A CONSULTANT CAN SAY, WELL, IT'D BE NICE IF YOU JUST PUT A PITCH ROOF ON IT AND THEN YOU SLAP A PITCH ROOF ON IT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. THAT'S HOW FRANKENSTEIN WAS BORN. THERE'S, THERE'S TRUTH IN WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESENT, BUT THAT SHOULD BE WHITTLED DOWN. AND THERE ARE GUIDELINES THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'S A, IT'S A PITCH PROOF BUNGALOW BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER HOUSES IN THERE ARE BUNGALOW. SO YOU CAN GO TO KING WILLIAMS AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF MODERN BUILDINGS IN THERE THAT ARE WELL DONE AND THEY DON'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE ANYTHING IN THAT AREA, BUT THEY'RE WELL DONE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. WHEN SOMETHING IS WELL DONE, IT'S VERY HARD TO ARGUE AGAINST IT. BUT THAT MAY MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO SOLUTIONS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SOLUTION THAT IS A EASY ONE, COPY SOMETHING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, LOOK, HERE IT IS. AND THE OTHER ONE IS THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT. AND, AND, AND, AND THEN TO DIG YOUR HEELS IN THE GROUND AND MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR WHY YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE WHAT YOU WANT. IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION AND IT'S NOT INTENDED TO COPY SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE UGLY FIRE STATION ACROSS THE STREET. I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S UGLY LIKE THE FIRE STATION, BUT IN THE SENSE THAT WHAT, WHAT RULE DOES THE FIRE STATION FOLLOW? RIGHT? SO JUST, UH, ADVISE THAT THAT CAN EQUALLY HANG YOU JUST AS QUICKLY AS IT CAN GIVE YOU A CHANCE AS YOU MIGHT WIN, RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. OKAY, SIR. YEAH, JUST FOR, FOR STAFF. SO IF, IF HE GETS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL NOW, DOES A CLOCK START FOR HIM? UH, SO, UH, THIS CURRENT APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED ON MAY THE 17TH. THE 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD WAS JULY THE 16TH. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO POSTPONE TWICE OF THIR UP TO 30 DAYS. UH, SO THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST POSTPONEMENT WAS TO GET US TO THE DATE THAT WE ARE HERE. UH, SO I NEED TO, UH, DO THE CALCULATION ON THAT, BUT I BELIEVE AS OPPOSED TO JUST A STRAIGHT OUT DENIAL INSTEAD OF A CONSENSUAL APPROVAL, WELL, BASED ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, THE THERE WOULD NEED TO BE ACTION TAKEN ON THE APPLICATION. UH, AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT A MOTION AND A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WOULD BE ACTION ON THIS APPLICATION. SINCE THIS IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, IT WOULD NEED TO BE AN APPROVAL OR A DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION, OR I BELIEVE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO POSTPONE. UH, BUT THERE WOULD STILL NEED TO BE ACTION RELATIVELY SOON ON THIS APPLICATION. MM-HMM, , I, I JUST, I GUESS I JUST WANNA AFFORD THE APPLICANT THE MOST LEEWAY TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GET, YOU KNOW, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? I APOLOGIZE. UM, BECAUSE THE DESIGN WAS SUBMITTED, SO, UH, RIGHT BEFORE THIS WAS PUBLISHED, I DON'T THINK THAT EDWARD HAD A TIME TO PREPARE A NEW STAFF MEMO WITH, WITH ADDRESSING THE NEW DESIGN. SO IT, IT DOES CONFUSE ME AS WELL IF THE MOTION'S BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION WHEN THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR AN A SEPARATE DESIGN. SO, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE SOMETHING TO SHOW O P'S INPUT ON THIS REVISED DESIGN SO THAT [01:55:01] WE CAN AT LEAST UNDERSTAND HOW OHP FEELS AS WELL THE, THE ACTUAL STAFF MEMO IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS WE SHOULD POSTPONE INSTEAD. SO LEMME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY. SO WE'VE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME HERE JUST LISTENING TO YOUR, YOUR CASE, UM, YOUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, EMOTIONS ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW TO DECIDE RATHER WE MOVE FORWARD. SO CLEARLY THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDED DENIAL FOR THIS. AND AS THE MOTION STANDS RIGHT NOW, I THINK YOU HAVE A FAR WAY TO GO. SO I'M, I'M, I'M INCLINED TO LEAN TOWARDS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING HERE TODAY. SO, UM, BUT YOU ARE THE APPLICANT. SO IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR TO, UM, PULL OUT NOW AND THEN COME BACK, I MEAN, YOUR TIME IS GONNA BE REALLY TIGHT ON THE NEXT ONE HERE. I MEAN, BECAUSE WE, THIS WILL BE YOUR SECOND ONE, BUT I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU, WE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME, YOU KNOW, HERE LISTENING AND YEAH. TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE A DECISION, UM, THE BEST DECISION HERE BASED ON THE GUIDELINES. MM-HMM. HERE. UM, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DESIGN ANYTHING FOR YOU, RIGHT? UM, YOU ARE PRESENTING A CASE TO US AND OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE GUIDELINES BASED ON WHAT YOU PRESENTED IS HOW WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO, MM-HMM, . SO THAT BEING SAID, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR, I WOULD PREFER THE, UH, APPROVAL OF, UH, CONCEPTUAL, A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. UM, BUT IF THAT'S, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF, IF THAT'S BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN THAT, IN THAT STAFF MEMO, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THE STAFF MEMO. WELL, I COULD, I COULD PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT TO THAT. OKAY. SO I CAN, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THIS, I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER IT AND THERE, WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. SO FOR INSTANCE, THERE ARE NOW GABLE ROOFS OR ROOF FORMS THAT YOU COULD SAY YES, THIS ROOF FORM IS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. UM, THERE ARE STILL A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ITEMS THAT STAFF WOULD CONSISTENTLY RECOMMEND AGAINST THAT WOULD PREVENT STAFF FROM PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. SO, FOR INSTANCE, A FRONT LOADING GARAGE, THE FENESTRATION PATTERN, THERE'S STILL PREDOMINANCE OF FLAT ROOFS. THERE'S, UH, AN INTEGRATED CARPORT OR GARAGE. THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT ADDRESSES THE STREET, UM, ARCHITECTURAL FORM, THE LACK OF AN INTEGRATED PORTS, ET CETERA. SO I, I ALSO DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN WHILE IT'S BEEN UPDATED, AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED THAT THAT WOULD DRASTICALLY REVERSE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION STAFF HAD 15 POINTS THAT WE FOUND NEEDED TO BE CHANGED, OR 15 ITEMS. THERE WERE, SOME OF THOSE HAD MULTIPLE ITEMS. UH, I STILL THINK THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. UM, ONE THING THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT WOULD BE TO WITHDRAW THIS APPLICATION, UH, SEEING IS THAT AN APPLICATION THAT WOULD, IN MY OPINION, RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND POTENTIALLY APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY REDESIGNED. AND THAT WOULD START WITH THE FOOTPRINT AND SETBACKS, EVERYTHING TO THE MASSING FENESTRATION PATTERN. THE INTERIOR LAYOUT WOULD NEED TO CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, A NEW FOOTPRINT. UM, AND I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S GONNA BE FEASIBLE TO DO BY AUGUST THE 21ST. UM, AND LIKELY WOULD REQUIRE, UM, SUBSTANTIAL WORK FROM THE DESIGNER, UM, AND THE OWNER IN YOU. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT, IT'S MY OPINION AS STAFFED, HAVING REVIEWED A NUMBER OF THESE. UH, BUT UH, THE APPLICANT CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY CLIENT LOVES THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HE CAME UP WITH, WITH THE FLAT ROOF. HE, HE LOVES THAT. AND IF THE HDRC BELIEVES THAT JUST PUTTING IN THE PITCHED ROOF REALLY DOESN'T MAKE IT BETTER, THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THE FLAT ROOF. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE REALLY LIKED WAS THE FLAT ROOF. ALL STUCCO DESIGN. I THINK THE, THE ROCK WAS ADDED, UM, AFTER THEY MET, UH, BEFORE THEY, THEY RETAINED MY SERVICES TO TRY TO INCORPORATE SOME FEATURES FROM SURROUNDING HOMES. BUT I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT, UM, THAT REMOVING THE STONE WOULD BE BEST. BUT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS LOOKED MORE LIKE WHAT'S UP HERE? BUT IT WAS JUST ALL STUCCO. IT WAS, IT WAS MORE SIMPLE. IT DIDN'T HAVE THE PITCHED ROOFS. UM, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE GARAGE KIND OF PROTRUDING OUTWARD AND THAT COULD, THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE ADDRESSED. BUT I, MY CLIENT REALLY LO LOVES HIS DESIGN AND YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE A DU THAT'S LOCATED. SO MA'AM, NEXT TO IT, IT SEEMS, I DON'T, I DON'T, UM, FOR NOW WHAT WE WE'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY RIGHT NOW IS THAT TODAY IS AUGUST 7TH. UM, YOU HAVE FOOD, HAVE 14 DAYS, UM, NOR TO GET THIS THING STRAIGHT. OKAY. AND, UM, SO YOU CAN WITHDRAW, UM, RIGHT NOW, UM, [02:00:01] OR WE CAN GO AHEAD AND LET THE MOTION GO FORWARD. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN YOUR DESIGN, WE'VE SEEN WHAT YOU PRESENTED, WE'VE SEEN THE UPDATED, WE'VE SEEN WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET. SO IT'S NO NEED TO RE-LITIGATE THAT THERE. SO OUR QUESTION SIMPLY IS DO YOU WANNA WITHDRAW? IF NOT, THEN WELL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION. I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU MI MR. CHAIR FOR CLARITY. WITHDRAWING MEANS RESTARTING THE CLOCK WITH THE NEW SUBMISSION. YES, YES. MEANS YOU HAVE ONLY 14 DAYS TO TURN THIS ENTIRE THING AROUND. AND WHEN STAFF WOULD NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, I MEAN, IN THEORY, IF THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THE REVISIONS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS FRIDAY OR MONDAY, THEN THAT WOULD GIVE US ADEQUATE TIME TO UPDATE ALL OF OUR COMMENTS AND, AND THIS BE INCLUDED IN OUR NORMAL INTERNAL REVIEW PROCESS. I, I JUST DON'T FUNDAMENTALLY THINK THAT THAT'S A NEAR ENOUGH TIME TO RIGHT, TO REDESIGN AND SUBMIT SOMETHING THAT, UM, CONSIDERS ALL OF THE, UM, SPECIFIC DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. MR. CHAIR POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THE, FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING, I'M CONFUSED IN, IN COMMISSIONER JIMMY'S LANGUAGE OF THE, OF A, OF A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THE MOTION, WHERE DOES THE, WHERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL LANGUAGE HAPPENING? BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM. WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE LETTER THAT STAFF PROVIDED THE APPLICANT? SO FOR FINAL APPROVAL, YOU WOULD NEED TO SEE THE FINAL PLANS HERE AT THE HEARING? NO, NOT FOR FINAL, BUT CONCEPTUAL, THERE WAS A CONCEPTUAL LANGUAGE THAT'S BEEN FLOATING AROUND AND THEN THERE WAS A LETTER MENTIONED THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT OF SOME MEETING, UH, OR SOME STAFF, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LETTER IS, BUT THE, THE MOTION WAS FOR, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STAFF MEMO. YEAH, STAFF MEMO. IT HAS THE RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S IN HERE. ESSENTIALLY OUR RECOMMENDATION IT'S PROVIDED. OKAY. OKAY. SO, SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL, BUT THE MOTION IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS, I WOULD LIKE TO, I I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A, IN WITH RESPECT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE. I, I'D LIKE TO REMOVE MY MOTION. . YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS WHAT TO DO, BUT A DENIAL WOULD RESET THE CLOCK. YEAH. AND IT WOULD PUT THE APPLICANT IN THE EXACT SAME EXACT PLACE. MR. CARE WOULD, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS APPLICATION. SECOND. ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE. UH, IT, ONE THING I WANNA JUST, UH, JUST MAKE FOR THE RECORD THAT THAT, THAT I'M OPPOSED TO, TO THE, THE KIND OF WHAT I CONSIDER, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S INTENTIONAL, BUT THIS KIND OF INTELLECTUAL VEILED, UH, UH, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE MESSAGES THAT ARE SENT OUT THAT, THAT CLEARLY ARE AGAINST PARTICULAR STYLES OF ARCHITECTURE IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THOSE STYLES DON'T EXIST. AND I'D LIKE TO, TO TO PUT THAT, UH, KIND OF PROTEST, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AT THESE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS CLEARLY, UH, UH, PROMOTE THESE ALIEN STYLES IN THAT SAN ANTONIO IS A TEXAS NEIGHBORHOOD AS TEXAS CITY THAT IS FILLED WITH NEIGHBORHOODS WITH DUTCH, BELGIAN, GERMAN, AND ITALIAN BUILDINGS. AND, AND, AND SOMEHOW WE HAVEN'T FOUND A WAY TO INCORPORATE THE, THE, THE, THE NORMALNESS OF THE ANOMALY INTO, UM, UH, UM, HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE, WHERE THERE ISN'T A BUILDING AND A NEW BUILDING IS PROPOSED AND, AND RECOMMEND THAT WE, WE MAKE SOME EFFORT TO TURN THAT DISCUSSION INTO A DISCUSSION SEEKING ARCHITECTURAL EXCELLENCE AS OPPOSED TO CREATING THIS UNSPOKEN RULE THAT THE GUIDELINES DON'T SUPPORT MODERN ARCHITECTURE. THAT IS WELL DONE. THIS, THIS PROJECT THAT IS PROPOSED. IT HAS SOME PROBLEMS AND THERE ARE SOME MASSING ISSUES THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH ANY NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, GOOD GUIDELINE, BUT, BUT ON ITS BASE, UH, JUST THE FACT THAT IT WENT BEFORE A, A, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THAT, THAT, THAT THERE WAS THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION GIVEN TO PUT A PITCHED ROOF ON. IT IMPLIES THAT, THAT WE'VE NUDGED THIS APPLICANT ALONG TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING RIGHT ABOUT IT THAT WE WERE NEVER GONNA ACHIEVE. SO I, I JUST WANNA ISSUE THAT PROTEST THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO STOP THESE KIND OF, THE VEILED DENIALS OF ARCHITECTURE BASED ON THE STYLE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. UM, YES. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? [02:05:02] CASTILLO? AYE. SINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GUEVARA? AYE. VAZQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER? AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER [14. Address/Description:    401 KENDALL ST HDRC Case No.:    2024-215 Historic District Name:    Tobin Hill Applicant:    Shannon Follansbee/KEN 401 LLC Request:    Conceptual review of additions and alterations City Council Dist.:    1  ] 14, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 15 4 0 1 KENDALL STREET. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCTING APPROXIMATELY 1,212 SQUARE FOOT. TWO. STORY REAR ADDITION. TWO. ENLARGE AND RELOCATE THE EXISTING EAST MYRTLE FACING PORCH TO, UH, TO APPROXIMATELY 101 SQUARE FEET. THREE. MODIFY THE EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE PROPERTY TO ELIMINATE AND RESIZE WINDOWS FOUR, PARTIALLY. REOPEN A SECOND STORY PORCH ON THE FRONT EAST FACADE OF THE STRUCTURE. FIVE. INSTALL VERTICAL WOOD SIDING OVER PORTIONS OF THE PREVIOUS FRONT. ADDITION. SIX, MODIFY THE EXISTING ROOF FORM AND SEVEN, MODIFY THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE TO INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION OF A 20 FOOT, 21 FOOT IMPERVIOUS DRIVEWAY AND FOUR PERVIOUS PARKING SPOTS AT THE REAR. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE TWO STORY REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPEC SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND FINAL APPROVAL. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL FULLY WOOD CRAFTSMAN DOORS WERE INDICATED IN THE SUBMITTED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. THREE WERE THAT THE SIDING BE INSTALLED AND INSTALLED AND SPECIFIED TO APPEAR SIMILAR TO A TRADITIONAL WOOD SIDING INSTALLATIONS SUCH AS BOARD AND BATTEN OR SIMILAR INSTALLATION. NO FOOT WOULD, NO FAUX WOOD GRAIN PRODUCTS ARE PERMITTED. FINAL PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF OR FINAL REVIEW. FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL PORCH RAILING FEATURING BOTH THE TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL FOLLOWING STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS. FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD COLUMNS AND PILE LASTERS NO WIDER THAN SIX INCHES SQUARE, FEATURING BOTH CAPITAL BASE TRIM AND SANFORD CORNERS. SIX. THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL PORCH DECKING TO FEATURE ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE. UM, FOLLOWING STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE WEST FACADE. AND EIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A MEASURE TO SCALE ROOF PLAN FOR FINAL REVIEW. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE EAST MYRTLE FACING PORCH MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDING O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REVISED THEIR PORCH REQUEST TO INCLUDE A SIMPLIFIED STOOP DESIGN THAT PROVIDES SHELTER FOR THE SIDE ENTRANCES TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH GUIDELINES. ITEM THREE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE PROPERTY BASED ON ALL THE FINDINGS. ALL ORIGINAL WINDOW LOCATION SIZES AND CONFIGURATIONS SHOULD REMAIN INTACT OR ONLY MODIFIED SLIGHTLY IN LOCATION TO ACCOMMODATE CHANGES IN FLOOR. PLAN. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ADDITION OF NEW TRADITIONALLY DIMENSION WINDOWS IN THE FRONT EAST FACADE AT THE LOCATION OF THE NON-ORIGINAL FRONT ADDITION. SELECT SELECTED WINDOW PRODUCTS MUST MEET STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOW PRODUCTS, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF A FULL SIDE LIGHT WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FRONT DOOR. ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PARTIAL REOPENING OF THE SECOND STORY PORCH FROM THE FRONT FACADE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDING S WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE PORCH FOOTPRINT AND CORNER COLUMN LOCATIONS DO NOT EXCEED THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE ENCLOSED PORCH. TWO, THAT THE COLUMN DESIGN AND SPECIFICATIONS BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR FINAL REVIEW. GENERALLY, COLUMNS SHOULD FEATURE SANFORD CORNERS IN A TRADITIONAL CAP AND BASE, AND THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WINDOW PRODUCTS THAT MEET OR MUST MEET STAFF. STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOWS, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF FULL SLIDE LIGHT WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FRONT DOOR. ITEM FIVE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF VERTICAL WOOD SIDING OVER PORTIONS OF THE PREVIOUS RUN. ADDITION, AN ALTERNATIVE WOOD SIDING PROFILE THAT IS MORE COMPACT OR COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING HOME MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. ITEM SIX, STAFF DOES NOT [02:10:01] RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE ROOF FORM MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDING U STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE EXISTING ROOF FORMS AND RECONSTRUCT THE DAMAGED DORMERS INSTITUTE IF BEYOND REPAIR. ITEM SEVEN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS LANDSCAPE AND SITE WORK MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDINGS V THROUGH Y. THE PROPERTY OWNER, SHANNON SBY, IS HERE VIRTUALLY, AND DENNIS JAMES THE ARCHITECT, AND JAMES MCKNIGHT WITH MATTHEW GILBERT ARE HERE IN PERSON. THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW. BEFORE WE BEGIN, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO, MIGHT MAKE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. SINCE POSTING THE AGENDA, THE APPLICANT AND THEIR TEAM HAVE MADE SEVERAL UPDATES TO THEIR REQUEST TO INCORPORATE SOME OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND DETAILS FOUND WITHIN THE FINDINGS. THESE UPDATED DOCUMENTS ARE IN YOUR LATE FOLDER AND MR. MCKNIGHT AND TEAM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WALK THE COMMISSIONERS TO YOUR PROJECT WHILE, WHILE I PULL UP YOUR PRESENTATION. SURE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, ALMOST EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UH, DID YOU NEED TO PLAY THE VOICEMAIL FIRST OR IS IT OKAY IF I THAT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE, THE CHAIR. IT'S OKAY IF I GO, YOU GO FIRST. OKAY. , BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, SIR, MAKE SURE YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SURE. JAMES MCKNIGHT WITH ORTIZ MCKNIGHT HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER SHANNON SBY. AND AS BRIAN SAID, WE ALSO HAVE THE, THE ARCHITECT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO, TO TALK ABOUT FOR THE PROPERTY ITSELF. SMALL LOT ABOUT 5,500 SQUARE FEET. THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED MF 33. IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT CIRCUIT 1912 AND TWO STORY STRUCTURE, AND IT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED AS FOUR UNITS. SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING SOME OF THE PHOTOS, IT DID HAVE FOUR METERS ON IT. SO OUR GOAL IS TO RENOVATE, ADD ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ALSO HAVE FOUR UNITS. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR MORE UNITS THAN WE'RE ALREADY THERE, BUT WE DO WANT FOUR UNITS TO HAVE AT LEAST 900 SQUARE FEET EACH FOR THOSE UNITS. SO A TOTAL OF 3,670, WHICH THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WOULD BE ABOUT THREE, UM, 36% OF THE LOT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE, HE MENTIONED THE ITEMS REQUESTED. UM, THE NUMBERS 1, 2, 4, AND SEVEN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. AND I CAN SAY THAT AND, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE, BUT THOSE, WE ARE, UH, ACCEPTING ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS STATED. UM, THERE IS ONE THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, BUT OTHERWISE WE ARE ACCEPTING THOSE STIPULATIONS ITEMS THREE, FIVE, AND SIX THAT THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. WE, I SCRATCHED OUT NUMBER FIVE ONLY TO SAY THAT WE, UH, THEY STAFF SAID NO VERTICAL SITING ON THAT PORTION, AND WE SAID THAT'S FINE, AND THAT THAT WAS A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT WE WERE PROPOSING. THEY SAID THAT IT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED. SO WE SAID PERFECTLY FINE. WE CAN GO WITH HORIZONTAL SIDING ON THAT AREA AND YOU'LL SEE THE, THE ELEVATIONS FOR THAT. UM, NUMBER SIX, MODIFY THE EXISTING ROOF WE HAVE SHOWN AND MODIFY A, A MODIFIED ROOF. UM, HAD WE BEEN ON A DIFFERENT TIMELINE, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TO, TO GET STAFF'S, UH, REVIEW OF THAT IN TIME, BUT WE, WE DIDN'T, SO WE DID MODIFY THE ROOF. THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE WHAT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS THREE DIMENSIONAL PHOTO. YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE ELEVATIONS IN A MINUTE. AND NUMBER THREE, MODIFY THE EXISTING WINDOW PATTERN. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DRILL DOWN AND DISCUSS IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP AS MANY WINDOWS AS WE CAN. THERE'S A FEW THAT WE DON'T FEEL WE CAN KEEP. UM, THOSE ARE REALLY THE ONES THAT I'D LIKE TO TALK MOST ABOUT. SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THIS IS THE EX EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A PORTION THAT'S ENCROACHING IN THE BUILDING SETBACK IN THE REAR, BUT THIS WAS A, A 1912 STRUCTURE, SO NOT UNCOMMON TO SEE THAT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, SUBMITTAL THAT WE HAD BACK IN APRIL. AND THIS IS WHAT WE, WE WENT TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE ONCE, UH, VIRTUALLY, AND THEN WE HAD A, A FEW COMMISSIONERS COME TO THE SITE IN JULY. UM, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE ADDITIONS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IN GREEN. AND IT, AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THAT WAS THE FLOOR PLAN THAT WE WERE COMING TO. AND THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATION. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE ORIGINAL ELEVATION LOOKS LIKE NOW. IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE. I SHOW ALL THIS TO SHOW HOW, HOW MUCH WE'VE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT TO TRY TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS AND FRANKLY TOBIN HILL'S COMMENTS, 'CAUSE WE'VE MET WITH THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES AS WELL TO, TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO NOW YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY FOOTPRINT ORIGINAL AND THE, THE GREEN THAT WE'RE ADDING ONTO. WHAT WE DECIDED INSTEAD OF PUSHING TOWARDS MYRTLE STREET, THAT WE WOULD PUSH IT TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE LOT. WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID THAT BECAUSE WE WANTED THE PARKING SPACES THERE, BUT WE FOUND A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH OF THEM AS LONG AS OF COURSE, THE COMMISSIONERS AGREED THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, UM, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE PURVIEW FOR THE INTERIOR, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THE UNITS ARE LAID OUT. WE HAVE TWO ON THE FIRST FLOOR THAT ARE ENTERED OFF OF MYRTLE STREET. THERE'S AN EXISTING PORCH THERE. WE'VE MODIFIED THAT PORCH. UM, AND ACTUALLY WE'VE MODIFIED THAT FROM WHEN THE STAFF MADE THEIR ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION. SO THEY, THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A STIPULATION TO, TO MODIFY IT. WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT, SO WE WANNA SHOW YOU THAT AS WELL. [02:15:01] UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THEN THERE'S AN EXTERIOR STAIR THAT LEADS TO, UH, AN ENTRY POINT FOR THE OTHER TWO ITEMS. UH, THE OTHER TWO UNITS, EXCUSE ME. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO HERE'S THE ELEVATION THAT WE DID NOT ARE NOT PRESENTING. NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE MOVE FROM THAT FRONT. THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION ON MYRTLE. THAT ENTRY POINT WAS THAT A LARGE GABLE ROOF AND A LARGE PORCH ENTRY THAT STAFF SAID NEEDED WORK. AND WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE MODIFIED THAT. AND A HUGE CHANGE THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS ROOF, THAT HIP ROOF THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. WE CARRIED THAT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE EAST TOWARDS KENDALL AND PUT A HIP ROOF ON THAT, UM, THAT VERTICAL SIDING STRUCTURE THERE. AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL. AND SO WE'VE ALREADY MADE THAT CHANGE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, AND ACTUALLY IF YOU JUST, I THINK IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, I THINK IT'D BE MORE, IT'D BE BETTER TO JUST COMPARE IT. OKAY. SO HERE YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ESPECIALLY ON THE, THE, THE TOP ELEVATION, THIS IS ON MYRTLE. YOU SEE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS A RECTANGLE BUILDING. THERE WAS AN ADDITION IN THE FORTIES. WE'RE NOT SURE THE EXACT TIME, BUT IT'S PART OF THE BUILDING NOW THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA MODIFY. BUT THE ORIGINAL RECTANGLE STRUCTURE IS WHAT, UM, BOTH COMMISSIONERS AND TOBIN HILL ASKED US. WE'D REALLY LIKE TO READ THAT STRUCTURE SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT'S WHY WE LEFT THE ORIGINAL HIP ROOF IN PLACE. AND THE ORIGINAL DORMER, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO REPLACE INSIDE YOU IN WHERE IT IS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THOSE DORMERS STAY AS THEY ARE. AND ON THE PORTION, THE ADDITION PORTION THAT YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S ON KENDALL, THE, THE FORTIES EDITION. WE MADE IT A LOW FLAT ROOF, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS ON THE SITE NOW. SO YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT PORTION FROM THE ORIGINAL RECTANGULAR PORTION. NOW, WE DID ADD, UM, SOME PORTION WHERE THE SECOND FLOOR LANDING IS, UH, CONNECTED TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A PORTION THAT'S NOW EXTENDED ON THAT FACADE. BUT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, THE LANDING WHERE IT IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, I BELIEVE THAT IT STILL READS WITH THE, THE ROOF STRUCTURE AND THE, THE SIDING. THE WAY IT IS, I I BELIEVE IT STILL READS THAT ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, THE ADDITION TO THE SOUTH. YOU CAN SEE WE ADDED A HIP ROOF, BUT THERE IS, AS WE'LL SEE IN THIS, THE ROOF PLAN, I THINK AS THE ROOF PLAN IS NEXT. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THERE YOU GO. SO YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL HIP ROOF STRUCTURE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE FLAT ROOF HAS, WE'VE MODIFIED THAT FROM SINCE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND THE, THE NEW ADDITION HAS A HIP ROOF AS WELL, BUT IT IS SET BACK. SO FROM THE STREET YOU CAN READ THAT IT IS A SEPARATE MASSING. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE'S THE, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. THE ENTRY POINT OFF FOR THE FIRST FLOOR UNITS IS OFF OF MYRTLE AND WE, THERE'S ALREADY A SIDEWALK AND AN ENTRY PORCH. BASICALLY, WE JUST MODIFIED THAT WE HAD TO MOVE IT OVER. AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE, THE REQUEST IS TO SAY, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEMOLISH THAT AND MOVE IT OVER TO CENTER ON THE NEW PORCH, BUT SAME, UH, STYLE AS WHAT'S THERE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I'M SORRY. THAT ALSO SHOWED THE PARKING. UM, YEAH, SORRY. THIS ALSO SHOWED THE, THE NEW PARKING COURT WITH THE, THE FOUR PARKING SPOTS. NOW THAT'S NOT, WE'RE GONNA NEED SIX, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GONNA NEED A VARIANCE. THAT'S A SEPARATE REQUEST. THAT'S MY PROBLEM. , BUT LOOKING FOR THE DESIGN, UM, REVIEW ON THIS, UH, UP FRONT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO HERE'S THE ELEVATION ON KENDALL. AND YOU SEE ON THE UPPER RIGHT, THAT IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NEW BALCONY. SO THAT WINDOW WOULDN'T NO LONGER BE THERE. THE, THE PORTIONS THAT ARE REALLY CHANGED, YOU CAN SEE A PAIR OF DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS TO THE LEFT. THOSE WERE REMAIN IN PLACE, BUT THE PAIR ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN THE THREE WINDOWS ABOVE THAT, THAT IS WHAT WOULD CHANGE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE AS WELL. SO HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE. THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT RESTROOMS IN THAT AREA, BUT WE, WE TOOK THE THREE WINDOWS THAT WERE ON THE UPPER FLOOR, MOVED THEM OVER WHERE THERE WERE NONE, BUT WE KEPT THE PATTERN, WE KEPT THE PATTERN ON THE FIRST FLOOR. SO THOSE WINDOWS WOULD STAY IN PLACE AND IN ITS PLACE ON THE UPPER FLOOR, INSTEAD OF THREE FULL WINDOWS, WE HAVE THE UPPER WINDOWS FOR THE BATHROOMS. AND THEN AGAIN, ON THE GROUND FLOOR, INSTEAD OF A DOUBLE OR A PAIR OF FULL WINDOWS, WE HAVE THE SMALLER WINDOWS FOR THE BATHROOM. AND I INCLUDED THE, THE PLAN THERE SO YOU COULD, COULD SEE WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE ON THE INSIDE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THIS IS THE LOOKING AT THE CORNER, UM, FACING MYRTLE NOW. AND THIS IS ANOTHER CHANGE TO THIS STRUCTURE. AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THE FORTIES EDITION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PIECE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO ON THAT VERTICAL STRUCTURE THAT'S FACING MYRTLE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S TWO PAIRS THAT ARE SYMMETRICAL. UM, ON THE, ON THE ORIGINAL THAT WE HAVE NOW YOU'VE GOT A PAIR, YOU'VE GOT A SINGLE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO SMALLER WINDOWS. UH, BRIAN, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK JUST TO COMPARE 'EM. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY SYMMETRICAL, BUT WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS TAKE THAT PAIR THAT'S EXISTING AND USE THAT STYLE, SAME STYLE, BUT JUST MAKE IT SYMMETRICAL ALONG THAT STREET. THOSE ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL, AGAIN, THIS ISN'T THE 1912 STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO WE FELT LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO TRY TO MAKE IT, UH, MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. [02:20:01] UM, NEXT SLIDE. HERE YOU GO. SO ON THE, THE MYRTLE, UH, ELEVATION THAT FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A PAIR OF WINDOWS ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND JUST ABOVE IT ON THE SECOND FLOOR, A SMALLER WINDOW IN THE CENTER AND A PAIR TO THE LEFT, WE'RE KEEPING ALL OF THOSE. SO ALL OF THOSE STAY IN PLACE. WE'RE ONLY ASKING THAT THE, THE STRUCTURE, THE THE FORTIES EDITION THAT, THAT BE MODIFIED, THE, THE WINDOW LOCATION BE MODIFIED THERE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, THAT'S AGAIN, JUST SHOWING THE, THE, THE NEW ELEVATION THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE, THE FACADE OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. THOSE WINDOWS WOULD STAY IN PLACE. AND HERE'S WHERE THE PORCH HAS BEEN MODIFIED FROM THE STAFF REPORT, THERE WAS A LARGE GABLE ROOF. WE, UM, SHORTENED THAT PORCH SO IT WASN'T SO IMPOSING ON MYRTLE, AND WE GAVE IT A HIP ROOF INSTEAD BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT'S THERE NOW AND JUST IS LESS IMPOSING ON THAT MYRTLE ELEVATION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION, WHICH WILL BE LOST BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING ON, THIS IS WHERE THE ADDITION WOULD GO. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS THAT REAR ELEVATION WHERE STAFF MADE SOME, SOME COMMENTS ABOUT LOSING THE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. WE'RE KEEPING THOSE ORIOLES IN PLACE, BUT THAT SMALL WINDOW THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, THAT WOULD, UM, BE LARGER. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND YOU CAN SEE IT THERE IN THE SORT OF BEIGE AREA. THAT'S THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. SO THE ORIOLES WOULD STAY IN PLACE, BUT THE, UM, THE WINDOW ON THAT GROUND FLOOR WOULD THEN BE ENLARGED, ALTHOUGH THIS IS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. SO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MODIFICATION, I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE LESS, IT'S THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CHANGE TO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC. UM, STAFF DOES ALL DID ALSO MENTION MORE WINDOWS ON THIS WESTERN FACADE FACADE. UM, WE, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT FLOOR PLAN, THIS, WE HAVE A LOT OF UTILITY SPACES THERE. WE HAVE BATHROOMS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE WASHER DRYER AND WE HAVE STORAGE CLOSETS. SO IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO ADD WINDOWS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT STIPULATION BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S PART OF A RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WAS PART OF THIS EDITION IS TO SAY MORE WINDOWS. HERE WE'D LIKE TO SAY THERE'S A REASON WE DON'T HAVE MORE WINDOWS. UM, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. SO FOR NOW, IF, IF WE COULD REMOVE THAT STIPULATION, THAT'S THE ONE REQUEST I'D MAKE. UM, HOWEVER, IF THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO KEEP STEPS STAFF STIPULATION, WE WOULD, WOULD KEEP IT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I THINK THAT IS THE END. IS THAT IT? YEAH, THAT'S IT. SO, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S FIVE, FOUR ITEMS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. WE'D ACCEPT THOSE STIPULATIONS WITH THE REQUEST, UM, TO CHANGE THIS ITEM, THE WESTERN FACADE AND THE OTHER ITEMS WE'VE ALREADY MODIFIED, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE WINDOW LOCATIONS. THANK YOU. VOICEMAIL PLEASE. MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER, 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 14, UH, 4 0 1 KENDALL STREET. THE THCA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE HAS MET WITH THE APPLICANT. LOOKING AT THE HOUSE AT PRESENT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE WHAT PART IS ORIGINAL AND WHAT PART IS AN ADDITION, UH, MADE SOMETIME IN THE PAST, WE BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL CENTRAL PART OF THE HOUSE HAD A HIP ROOF AND POSSIBLY, UH, WITH DORMERS WE URGE THE APPLICANT TO RETAIN THE VISUAL IDENTITY OF THE HIP ROOF. WE ARE AWARE THAT THE PRESENT EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS AN ADDITION MADE SOMETIME IN THE PAST, BUT THIS ADDITION HAS BEEN PART OF THE HOUSE FOR MANY YEARS. WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE OPENING OF A SECOND STORY PORCH ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT WE DO HOPE THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS CAN BE PRESERVED. WE ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO BE REUSED. WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE NEW REAR OR NORTH AND WEST SIDE EDITION, AS LONG AS THE ROOF LINE OF THAT ADDITION DOES NOT OBSCURE THE PERCEPTION OF THE ORIGINAL HIPS ROOF ON THE MAIN PART OF THE BUILDING. IN GENERAL, WE ARE GLAD TO SEE THE PROPERTY BEING RE REHABILITATED AND WE ARE SURE THAT WHEN FINISHED IT WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE THANK THE HDRC FOR THEIR EFFORTS, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS CASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, GO AHEAD, SIR. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, YOU AND YOUR CLIENT FOR LOOKING AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND LISTENING TO THE, THE DRC AND THE, THE SITE VISIT AND, UM, PRESENTING A PLAN THAT I THINK IS MUCH MORE IN KEEPING WITH, [02:25:01] UH, THE, LETTING THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE READ YEAH. AS PROMINENT, AS OPPOSED TO THE ADDITION. UM, SO YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH 1, 2, 4, AND SEVEN. YES, SIR. UH, AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION ON THREE, FIVE AND SIX. YES, SIR. SO ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, ON SIX, WHICH IS THE ROOF PLAN, WHICH YOU'VE MODIFIED MM-HMM. , UH, ONE OF THE, UM, DEFINING FEATURES OF THE HOUSE IS VERY WIDE, UH, OVERHANGS. MM-HMM. , UH, CAN THAT BE ACCOMMODATED IN THE, UM, ROOFING ON THE, UH, ON THE NEW EXISTING BUILDING AND IN THE ADDITION? WELL, I HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, DENNIS HERE AS WELL TO HELP WITH THAT. I, BECAUSE ONE THING THAT WOULD DO IS, UH, PROVIDE SOME, UH, PROTECTION TO THOSE UPPER, UH, DOORS ON THE, THE, THAT LITTLE BALCONY. THANK YOU. DO I NEED TO IDENTIFY MYSELF FIRST? PLEASE, SIR. MY NAME IS DENNIS JAMES. I'M THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGNER FOR THE CLIENT. AND, UH, THOSE DRAWINGS YOU SEE I PRODUCED. AND, UH, MR. FETZER, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT APPEARS THAT THOSE OVERHANGS ARE APPROXIMATELY 24 INCHES. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE DRAWN IN. IF WE WERE TO MEASURE EXACTLY, I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT BEEN UP THERE. I'VE ONLY MEASURED ON THE GROUND. IF WE WERE TO FIND THAT THEY WERE LARGER, ABSOLUTELY YES, WE COULD ACCOMMODATE AND MATCH EXISTING. AND IT'S NOT VISIBLE ON THE PLANS. UM, ON THE SCREEN, IT IS VISIBLE ON THE PLANS THAT I'M SAYING THAT WE WILL REPAIR THE ROOF IN SITU SO THAT IT WILL BE THE SAME BOTH FOR THE FLAT ROOF, THE HIP ROOF, AND BOTH DORMERS AS THREE OF YOU ARE AWARE WHO WERE AT THE SITE VISIT, WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, FIRE DAMAGE INSIDE. SO WE'RE NOT SURE UNTIL WE COULD REALLY TEAR INTO THIS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAVE AS IS. SO IF THEY HAVE TO BE DESTROYED, WE WILL PUT THEM BACK AS IS. WHICH KIND OF FOLLOWS ALONG YOUR COMMENTS ON WIDTH OF OVERHANG. THANK YOU. THE OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, WINDOWS ON THE WEST FACADE, UH, OF THE ADDITION, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE OR HAVE YOU STUDIED ADDING SOME MORE FENESTRATION ON THIS FACADE? WE HAVE NOT EXPLORED IT, BUT WE DO HAVE BATHROOMS WITH ONE SMALL WINDOW SHOWN. THEN WE HAVE CLOSET, A LAUNDRY OF WASHER DRYER AND ANOTHER STORAGE. WE COULD DO A FALSE WINDOW. THAT WOULD ALWAYS BE AN OPTION. SO THAT, UH, IT WOULD JUST BE BLACKED OUT. YOU CANNOT SEE FROM INSIDE, BUT IT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE, UM, STREET ON MYRTLE SIDE. UH, OR WE COULD REMOVE THAT STORAGE AND THAT WOULD PLACE ANOTHER WINDOW IN THE CORNER THAT WOULD BE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS THAT MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? YES. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT STIPULATIONS THREE, FIVE, AND SIX HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT ADDRESSED IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO KEEP THOSE, UH, STIPULATIONS STILL IN THERE. YES, SIR. UH, SO THAT THEY CAN BE FURTHER DEVELOPED AND TO, UM, UH, CONFIRM THAT THE ROOF OVERHANGS WILL MATCH EXISTING THE LARGE ROOF OVERHANGS AND THAT, UH, THE STUDY WILL BE DONE ON ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION OR BLIND WINDOWS ON THE WEST FACADE. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTION. UM, AGAIN, I THINK, UH, THE PROJECT HAS COME A LONG WAY, UH, TO, UM, HONORING THE HISTORIC BUILDING, UH, WHILE PROVIDING YOUR, UH, CLIENT WITH THE PROGRAM THAT THEY NEED. YEAH. AND, UH, HOPEFULLY IT'S, UH, THEY'RE PLEASED WITH HOW THE PROJECT HAS PROGRESSED. I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER, I CAN SAY THIS, THAT MY CLIENT HAS COMPLIMENTED ME PERSONALLY FOR WHAT I'VE DONE, BUT I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE THREE OF YOU WHO CAME OUT TO THE SITE BECAUSE THAT WAS VERY CLEAR FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. THIS IS MY FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSION IN SAN ANTONIO. [02:30:01] SO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, UH, ROOKIE PROBLEM OF NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING TO BE NEEDED, BUT ONCE WE HAD THAT COMMUNICATION, THEN IT BECAME CLEAR OF, OKAY, THESE ARE MY MARCHING ORDERS, THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO DO. SO IT ALL WORKED OUT VERY WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VENO. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, ANYTHING? YEAH, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR, ALL ALL YOUR WORK AND EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, AND WITH THE WINDOW THING, IF, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A A, UH, IF IT'S JUST A FALSE WINDOW THERE, THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. I WOULDN'T GO AROUND CHANGING YOUR INTERIOR CONCEPT TO OKAY. TO FACILITATE THAT. I MEAN, I THINK I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT. I, I THINK MY CLIENT WOULD BE ALSO, I HAVE SPOKEN DIRECTLY WITH SHANNON ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANNA ADD THIS IS, I, I'M VERY PLEASED, VERY TICKLED TO SEE HOW FAR, UM, YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. UM, THIS IS, I WILL SAY PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING OR ONE OF THE MORE CHALLENGING THINGS WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY BECAUSE IT ESPOUSES ALL OF THE THINGS OF OLD BUILDING, ADDED BUILDING, BUT STILL OLD, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, ON A TIGHT LOT. SO, UM, CONGRATULATIONS. ALL RIGHT, COMMEND. WELL, THANK YOU. I DON'T FEEL SO BAD THAT I STRUGGLED WITH IT AS WELL. OH, NO, NO. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING DETAILS SURE. AND SEEING IT FINISHED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, MAY HAVE FOR A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MAZUA. AYE. GIDA. AYE. VAZQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ITEM NUMBER 15, PLEASE. [15. Address/Description:    800 W RUSSELL PLACE HDRC Case No.:    2024-257 Applicant:    Eduardo Quintana/BCR BEST CONCEPT RENOVATIONS LLC Request:    Fenestration modifications, window replacement, siding replacement, and skirting modifications City Council Dist.:    1  ] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 57 800 WEST RUSSELL PLACE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE WOOD SIDING WITH COMPOSITE SIDING WITH A WOOD GRAIN FINISH. TWO. REPLACE THE BATTERED SKIRTING WITH A NON BATTERED SKIRTING. THREE COMPLETE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS. FOUR. REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND REPLACEMENT WINDOWS WITH A VINYL WINDOW. PRODUCT FIVE. REPLACE THE STONE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS WITH WOOD COLUMNS. SIX, ENCLOSED THE REAR SIDE PORCH AND SEVEN, INSTALL A FASCIA BOARD TO ENCLOSE THE OPEN EAVES OBSCURING THE EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS. ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF COMPOSITE SIDING WITH A FAUX WOOD GRAIN FINISH. BASED ON FINDING, D. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULL, FULL WOOD SIDING TO MATCH THE PREVIOUS PROFILE DIMENSIONS, MATERIAL, AND FINISH. THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA ITEM TWO. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SKIRTING MODIFICATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING E STAFF FINDS THAT THE BATTERED SKIRTING SHOULD BE RETAINED THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD INSTALL FULLY WOOD SIDING AT THE SKIRT TO MATCH THE PREVIOUS PROFILE DIMENSIONS, MATERIAL, AND FINISH. THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA ITEM THREE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS F THROUGH H. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS, OPENING LOCATIONS AND PROPORTIONS ARE RETAINED ON THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST ELEVATIONS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA. ITEM FOUR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA ITEM FIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PORCH COLUMN REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE NEW WOOD COLUMNS BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX BY SIX INCHES AND WIDTH AND FEATURE A TRADITIONAL CAP AND BASE AND CHAMFORD CORNERS. THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS AND COLUMN SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA ITEM SIX. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SIDE PORCH INFILL BASED ON FINDING K. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE SIDE PORCH AND ALL RELATED ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ARE RETAINED SO THAT THE SPACE FUNCTIONS AND IS VISUALLY INTERPRETED AS A PORCH. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS WITH ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND ITEM SEVEN STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FASCIA. BOARD INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING L STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE FASCIA BOARD IS REMOVED AND THE OPEN EAVES AND EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS ARE RETAINED AND PRESERVED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT PHOTOS OF THE CORRECTED WORK TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. AS A CASE COMMENT, THIS PROPERTY IS AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK THAT WAS DESIGNATED IN 2019, UM, THROUGH THIRD PARTY DESIGNATION. SO IT WAS NOT OWNER SUPPORTED. UM, THE PROPERTY THEN EXPERIENCED TWO FIRES AND SUBSEQUENT FIRE DAMAGE. AND LAST YEAR [02:35:01] IN 2023, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION THAT WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE HDRC. SO THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER, UM, IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PREVIOUS REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION AND HAS, UM, COME TO THE HDRC TO REQUEST APPROVAL IN A POST WORK APPLICATION. SO THIS IS A COMPLIANCE CASE AND THE APPLICANT, EDUARDO QUINTANA, IS WITH US IN PERSON. WE DO HAVE ONE IN PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE DO HAVE TWO LETTERS THAT WERE NOT SUBMITTED, UM, BEFORE THE HEARING. AND SO I WILL SHOW THOSE WHEN IT IS TIME TO REVIEW PUBLIC COMMENT. AND EDUARDO, YOU CAN APPROACH, UH, THE PODIUM AT THIS TIME. GOOD EVENING. UM, RESPECT TO COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. MY NAME IS EDUARDO QUINTANA. I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 800 WEST RUSSELL. UM, HOPEFULLY MY CASE WILL BE A LOT SIMPLER AND EASIER TO, TO GO TO AND GET APPROVED, UH, ON BASED ON WHAT OUR FINDINGS ARE. UM, UH, I I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT WE SHARE A BIT OF THE BACKGROUND AND HISTORY OF THE PROJECT. AT 800 WEST RUSSELL. UH, WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY SEEING THAT IT, IT HAD SUFFERED, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT SEEMED SUPERFICIALLY, UH, FIRE DAMAGE OF APPROXIMATELY 30% OF THE HOME. UM, AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO WALK INSIDE THE, BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE OF THE ROOF STRUCTURE HAD BEEN SEVERELY DAMAGED, UH, BY THE FIRE AND THE HOME HAD BEEN FILLED WITH OLD MATTRESSES, TRASH, FIRE DEBRIS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN EXHIBITS ONE AND TWO, THAT'S BASICALLY THE, SOME OF THE DAMAGE THAT YOU CAN SEE WAS PRETTY, PRETTY SEVERE. UM, THAT WAS A CONDITION THAT THAT, THAT WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN. UM, THE HOME HAS SERVED A, AS A, AS A PERFECT PLACE FOR SQUATTERS DRUG ACTIVITY AND VANDALISM. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON EXHIBIT FOUR. UM, I, UH, WERE YOU ABLE LOOK AT THAT EXHIBIT FOUR I FOUR PICTURES THERE. UM, AFTER PURCHASING, UH, THE, THE, THE HOME AND KNOW WE STARTED THE PROJECT, WE LEARNED THAT, UH, THE PAST AND SEVERAL UNKNOWN FACTS OF THE PROPERTY. UH, AND I LIKE TO SHARE THOSE, THOSE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED. UH, WE LEARNED THAT, UH, WE WERE ACTUALLY THE SECOND OR THIRD CONTRACTOR ATTEMPTING TO RENOVATE, UH, THE HOME. WE LEARNED THAT THE HOME HAD SUFFERED, NOT ONE, BUT TWO SEVERE FIRE DAMAGE, UH, FIRES BEFORE, UH, CAUSED BY SQUATTERS AND HOMELESS PEOPLE. AND, UH, PEOPLE THAT WERE JUST THERE. 'CAUSE THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN ABANDONED FOR SO MANY YEARS. UH, THEY HAD BEEN OCCUPIED BY THE SQUATTERS. SOME OF THEM SAID THEY LIVED THERE , UH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO WORK. UM, IF YOU CAN SEE EXHIBIT FOUR, THAT WAS SOME OF THE HOME FOR, FOR LIKE A LOT OF THE HOMELESS. AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, UH, THERE'S A SEVERE PROBLEM WITH HOMELESS AND, AND SQUATTERS ALL OVER THE, THE STREETS THERE. UM, THE HOME HAS NOT BEEN OCCUPIED FOR YEARS FOR THE REASONS ABOVE. UM, UH, AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO MARK THAT, THAT THE, THE HOME WAS AN INDIVIDUAL ALARM MARK, AND WE FOUND THIS LATER. UH, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE HOME WAS SOLELY REQUESTED TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, TO BE IDENTIFIED AS A HISTORIC INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK AS A PREVIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD REQUEST, UH, WITH INTENTION TO KEEP THE STRUCTURE FROM BEING DEMOLISHED. I THINK THAT'S, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, TO, TO MARK AND UNDERSTAND, UM, DUE TO THE NEGLECT AND ABANDONMENT AND SAFETY HAZARD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THEREFORE, THIS INDIVIDUAL DESIGNATION WAS APPROVED FOR THAT REASONS THAT YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE, HOW IT WAS BEFORE, UM, AND KIND OF WHERE, WHERE IT'S SAT NOW, WHERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, NEW WINDOWS AND NEW SIDING. AND I THINK IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL NOW. WE'RE STILL NOT FINISHED. BUT, UH, BEFORE FINDING ALL THE ABOVE HISTORY AND BACKGROUND, WE, WE STARTED OUR, UH, RENOVATION PROCESS. ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE WERE GRANTED OUR RENOVATION PERMIT BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. WE WERE GRANTED THE PERMITS AND PASSED ALL OUR INSPECTIONS OF THE WORK DONE TO BE REPLACED, UH, TO THE, TO COMPLETE THE, THE, A COMPLETE PLUMBING SYSTEM, A COMPLETE HVAC SYSTEM, UH, COMPLETE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IN THE HOME. UH, WE ALSO HAVE HIRED, UH, UH, A THIRD PARTY PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING TO INSPECT ALL ASPECTS OF THE STRUCTURE TO ASSURE THAT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE WAS NOW SOUND AND PROPER AND UP TO DATE, UH, WITH BUILDING CODES. UH, WE ALSO HAVE AN ENGINEER'S LETTER, UH, THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, UPON CLEANING AND, AND, AND REMOVAL OF THE BURN INTERIOR WALL AREAS, WE DISCOVERED THAT A VAST MAJORITY OF THE SIDING [02:40:01] AND WINDOWS SEEM TO BE IN DECENT SHAPE FROM THE OUTSIDE. UH, BUT WERE I WHERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY BURNED AND OR HEAVILY SMOKED DAMAGE IN THE INSIDE. UH, SO INSTEAD OF PATCHING THE ENTIRE HOME WITH OLD REPAIR AND SALVAGE MATERIALS, UH, WE OPTED TO TAKE THE PRIDE IN THE PROJECT AND, AND, UM, UH, AND REPLACE ALL THE SIDING AND WINDOWS WITH LIKE MATERIALS AND FINISHES IN KEEPING WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORING, UH, HOMES. UH, WE FOUND THAT OVER 40 HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE THE SAME EXTERIOR FINISHES AS OUR HOME. AS YOU CAN SEE AN EXHIBIT OF SIDING AND, AND WINDOWS. UH, ALL THOSE ADDRESSES THAT YOU SEE THERE HAVE THE SAME SIDING THAT WE HAVE IN, IN, IN OUR HOME. UH, THEY HAVE ALSO THE SAME WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE INSTALLED. UM, AND I ALSO HAVE PICTURES OF, UM, OF, OF THAT AS WELL, THAT YOU CAN SEE ALL THE, ALL THE HOMES. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HOME RIGHT NEXT TO US THAT HAS THE SAME WINDOWS AS WHAT WE HAVE. UH, THAT'S, UH, THE PROPERTY BEHIND US THAT HAS THE SAME WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE. UM, SO THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED TO DO, UH, DO THAT REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH LIKE, UH, WINDOWS AND SIDING. UM, THE ADDRESSES THAT WE PROVIDED ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE BEHIND OR NEXT TO OUR HOME, UH, WITH THIS WALKING DISTANCE, THESE HOMES HAVE, UH, VERY SIMILAR EXTERIOR FINISHES AS WHAT WE HAVE INSTALLED. ONCE WE REQUEST, UH, WE REQUESTED OUR RE-ROOFING PERMIT WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AT THIS POINT IS WHEN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO THEN REFERRED US TO OHP. UM, THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO OHP AND THEN, AND FOUND, AND THEN WE FOUND THAT, UH, OHP RECOMMENDED THAT THE, THE CHANGE OF THE ITEMS IN, IN DISCUSSION, WHICH WAS THE SIDING IN THE, IN THE WINDOWS. UH, AND JUST SOME INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU. WE HAD BUDGETED INITIALLY, UH, $74,000 FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE PROJECT. UH, WE HAVE EXHAUSTED AND EXCEEDED OUR BUDGET TO ABOUT ALMOST $150,000 NOW, WHICH IS OVER $70,000 OVER OUR BUDGET. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, DO IT RIGHT. UM, NEVERTHELESS, WE CELEBRATE THE FACT THAT, THAT, THAT WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND HAVE SUCCESSFULLY SAVED THIS HOME FROM BEING DEMOLISHED, WHICH WAS A WHAT THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T WANT TO HAPPEN. WE DIDN'T WANT THE, THE, THE PROPERTY TO BE DEMOLISHED. UM, AND WE SAVED THE HOME. IT WAS, IT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, UM, BECAUSE OF ALL THE DAMAGE THAT IT HAD. UH, IT WAS, THAT WAS PRIMARILY THE INTENT OF THAT MANY OWNERS IN THE PAST. UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE AMAZING, UH, NUMBER OF, OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE VISITED THE HOME TO SHARE HOW HAPPY THEY ARE TO SEE THAT, UH, THAT THE HOME IS NOW RENOVATED IN A WAY THAT ALL OF THEM EXPRESSING HOW MISERABLE, MISERABLE IT IS TO HAVE SINGLE PANE WINDOWS, UM, AND HOW HARD AND DIFFICULT IT IS TO KEEP THEIR HOME COOL, UH, WITH, WITH MOST OF THE HEAT OF, OF THE YEAR AND HARD TO KEEP WARM IN THE WINTER. UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY USE, UH, THINGS THAT WE WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE SAW MANY OF THE HOMES AROUND US THAT, THAT DID HAVE, UH, WOOD WINDOWS. AND THEY'RE PUTTING FOIL, THEY'RE PUTTING NEWSPAPER, THEY'RE PUTTING BOARDS TO, TO KEEP THE SUN, UH, HEAT FROM COMING IN THE HOUSE. UM, UH, WE HAVE SOME, UH, WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UH, SIGNATURES. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU GUYS RECEIVED IT FROM HOMEOWNERS THAT THERE WERE THERE AND WE HAD A FEW MORE. BUT, UM, UH, FROM A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS ARE VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT, THAT THE HOME IS, IS ACTUALLY NOW, UM, BEING RENOVATED. UM, IF YOU, IF WE CAN SHOW EXHIBIT FIVE. UH, BUT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS THIS, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL HOME AND WE STILL NEED LANDSCAPING. WE NEED TO DO INTERIOR FINISHES. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WANT TO FINISH IT, RIGHT? UH, AND WE WE'RE, WE WE'RE ABOUT TO PROBABLY FINISH A GORGEOUS HOME IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH, WITH EVERYTHING NEW FROM UNDERGROUND PLUMBING, AC SYSTEM, UH, ELECTRICAL, UH, IT'S GONNA BE EVERYTHING NEW. UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THIS, THIS PROJECT HAS NOW BEEN IN ENACTED FOR OVER A MONTH. UM, SQUATTERS ARE, AGAIN, COMING BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF WE CAN SEE EXHIBIT FOUR. UH, NEIGHBORS ARE REPORTING DRUG VANDALISM AND EVEN, UH, THEY'RE REPORTING THAT THEY'RE GOING THERE AND HAVING SEX AND THERE'S KIDS AROUND THERE. UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON NOW, WE, WE, I GUESS EVERYTHING'S OUTTA STOP. UM, AS, AS A PROUD OWNER AND CITIZEN OF OUR CITY, I I ASK THAT YOU, UH, AND THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR COOPERATION IN GETTING THIS HOME FINISHED, UH, QUICKLY TO AVOID RECURRENCE. UH, THE UNFORTUNATE, UH, HISTORY EVENTS IN THIS PROPERTY. AND THE NEIGHBOR HAS, HAS SUFFERED WITH THIS, UH, IN THE PAST, A REQUEST FOR THE, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL BASED ON, ON THE FACTS THAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU THAT WE'VE INSTALLED AGAINST SIDING AND WINDOWS BASED ON WHAT WE SAW ALL THE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, UH, HOMES AROUND US HAS NOW, UM, UH, AT THIS POINT, I, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. [02:45:01] THANK YOU, SIR. UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU MYSELF. SO, MR. CHAIR, WE DO HAVE, UM, AN IN-PERSON, SPEAKER OH, THAT I WANNA CALL IN. SO, MARIO GUTIERREZ, COME ON UP, SIR. COME GIVE YOUR COMMENTS. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. HOW YOU DOING SIR? MY NAME IS MARIO GUTIERREZ. UM, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. MY, UH, MYSELF AND MY DAD, WE OWN QUITE A FEW PROPERTIES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THAT VERY SAME BLOCK. HE'S SPEAKING OF AS FAR AS THREE HOUSES DOWN, ALMOST ALL THE WAY UP TO 9 0 6 WEST RUSSELL. WE OWN, UH, EIGHT 30 WEST ON HIS SIDE, EIGHT 30 WEST RUSSELL, 9 0 2 WEST RUSSELL, 9 0 6 WEST RUSSELL, NINE 12 WEST RUSSELL NINE 16 WEST RUSSELL. ON THE, ON THE, UH, NORTH. ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE OWN 8 23 WEST RUSSELL 8 21 WEST RUSSELL EIGHT 15 WEST RUSSELL, EIGHT 11 WEST RUSSELL, 8 21, 8 15 AND EIGHT 11 ARE OVER 130 YEARS OLD. THERE WAS THAT HOUSE THAT HE, THIS GENTLEMAN PURCHASED AT ONE TIME. WE WERE RAISED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M 63 YEARS OLD. WAS A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE AT, AFTER THE TWO FIRES THAT HAPPENED TO THAT HOUSE. THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATIONS TO THAT HOUSE WENT TO NOTHING. THOSE, IT, UH, THE HOUSE WAS FULLY DESTROYED. IT'S, IT'S BEEN PLAGUED WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE, DRUGS, EVERYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE. WE ARE ACTUALLY HAPPY WITH THE WORK THAT HE'S DONE ON THE HOUSE. THE ONLY THING I MADE A SUGGESTION TO HIM WAS A COUPLE MORE WINDOWS ON A NORTH FLOOR SIDE TO MAKE IT LOOK, UH, LIKE THE REST OF THE HOUSE. BUT PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD'S GETTING REFURBISHED IN THE EXACT SAME FASHION THAT HE'S DONE. AND, AND, UH, WE'RE HAPPY WITH IT. AND THEN WE OWN PRETTY MUCH QUITE A FEW PROPERTIES ON THERE. THREE OF THEM BEING OVER 130 YEAR OLD HOUSES. MY DAD OWNS THE BIGGEST HOUSE ON THE BLOCK AND THE NEXT TWO BIGGEST HOUSES ON THE BLOCK DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM HIS. AND AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS ARE CONCERNED, THOSE WINDOWS SERVE SCOURED, UH, THE, THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE, WE, WE REFURBISHED THOSE HOUSES BACK TO THE FACTORY, THE 130 YEAR OLD HOUSES. WHEN MY DAD BOUGHT 'EM, UM, IT WAS VERY HARD TO DO. THE WEIGHTS FALL BEHIND THE WALLS. YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THE ROPES, YOU HAVE TO GET THE BALANCING JUST RIGHT. WE HAD TO REBUILD EVERYTHING. IT TOOK, IT TOOK US OVER SIX YEARS TO REHAB, EIGHT 11 AND EIGHT FIFTEENS WINDOWS, JUST THE WINDOWS ALONE INTO THE DOORS. UM, THE WORK THAT HE'S DONE IS BEAUTIFUL. THE HOUSE WAS BURNT PRETTY MUCH TO THE GROUND. AFTER THE SECOND FIRE. THERE WAS NOTHING TO SAVE. SO WE ARE TOTALLY HAPPY WITH WHAT HE'S DONE. HE'S KEEPING IT, UH, I MEAN THE, THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD'S HAPPY WITH IT. AND WE WANT THE HOUSE OCCUPIED TO, BECAUSE WE LIVE RIGHT BY SAN PEDRO PARK AND ALL THE HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVE AT SAN PEDRO PARK AND USE THE WATER FACILITIES AND THEY JUST WALK THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY CONSTANTLY PUT, UH, BEHIND MY DAD'S HOUSE AROUND OUR HOUSES. THEY'LL PUT, CAN YOU WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE? OH, THAT'S IT. BUT WE'RE HAPPY WITH ALL THE WORK THAT HE'S DONE. OKAY. AND, AND AS FAR AS HISTORICALS CONCERNED, IT WAS BURNT TO THE POINT WHERE THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING TO SAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THERE WAS A SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BUT THEY HAD TO LEAVE. AND SO THEY DID SEND AN EMAIL TO STAFF. AND SO I'LL PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN NOW AS WELL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. IS THAT AFFIRMED COMMENTS? YES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SIR, BEFORE WE GET INTO, UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU AS WELL. UM, SO IN YOUR, UM, PRESENTATION, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE GRANTED APPROVAL BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, AND THAT'S WHY YOU STARTED THE WORK. AND YOU SAID, UM, BUT THAT WAS ALSO PRIOR TO GETTING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE. SO, SO AM I TO UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT YOU, HOW, HOW LONG BETWEEN THE TIME THAT YOU GOT APPROVAL FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY, UM, WERE CONTACTED OR CONTACTED OHP IN ORDER TO, UM, REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? SO, UH, THE ORDER IN WHICH THAT HAPPENED, WE, UH, WE REQUESTED A RENOVATION, UH, UM, UH, PERMIT WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. WE GOT THAT PERMIT. UM, AND WHEN, WHEN WE REALIZED THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE ALL THE ROOF, UH, WE REQUESTED OUR PERMIT. AND, AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS, LET ME GO BACK. WE GOT OUR PERMIT FOR THE RENOVATION. WE STARTED DOING ALL, DOING ALL OUR PLUMBING, ELECTRO HVAC. WE GOT OUR INSPECTIONS PASSED ON INSPECTIONS. AND WHEN WE REALIZED THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE ALL THE ROOF, UH, THEN WE APPLIED FOR OUR PERMIT, UH, WITH THE SEAT OF SAN ANTONIO. AND AT THAT POINT IS WHEN WE WERE REFERRED TO OHP, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF THAT. AND WHEN WE DID THAT IS WHEN WE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE SIDING THAT WE HAD INSTALLED WAS NOT, UH, UM, ACCEPTED. GOTCHA. AND SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WERE YOU NOT AWARE [02:50:01] THAT YOU WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT? I, I WAS NOT AWARE. UH, I USUALLY, I LOOK AT THE STREET SIGNS AND IF I SEE THAT IT'S, UH, LIKE A HISTORIC, UH, STREET SIGN, THEN I, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK IT'S IN, IN A PRESERVATION. THANK YOU. LET ME ADD SOME DETAIL TO WHAT THE ANSWER ABOUT THE PERMIT. SO THERE WAS AN INITIAL PERMIT FOR A REMODEL THAT TRIGGERED OUR REVIEW. AND BASED ON THE SCOPES IN THAT PERMIT, IT WAS INTERIOR. AND SO IT DIDN'T TRIGGER COA, NO. RACHEL, PLEASE CORRECT ME. YES, I CAN CLARIFY. SO, A REPAIR PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN APRIL FOR INTERIOR WORK. AND THAT PERMIT ALSO DID INCLUDE WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND SIDING REPLACEMENT. BUT THERE WAS A GLITCH IN THE PERMITTING SYSTEM AND A HISTORIC REVIEW WAS NOT ADDED TO THAT PERMIT. SO THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR OFFICE REVIEWED. WHEN THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A PERMIT FOR THE ROOF REPLACEMENT, THEN THE HISTORIC REVIEW WAS ADDED AS IT SHOULD BE. UM, AND THAT'S WHEN HE WAS INFORMED THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS REQUIRED FOR ALL EXTERIOR SCOPES OF WORK. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND, UM, CORRECTION, UM, I MEANT TO SAY LANDMARK, NOT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, PLEASE. WELL, MR. CHAIR, JUST, UH, UH, ONE, WONDERING IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION, BUT OF COURSE I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? YES. UM, NO. SO I, I WENT TO THE, UH, SITE VISIT AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS QUITE GLARING WERE THE, UH, THE ENCLOSURES OF THE ORIGINAL PORCH THAT PROJECTED ONTO THE FLORIDA STREET SIDE AND THE LACK OF WINDOWS. I MEAN, IT, IT JUST DOES NOT, IT'S VERY UNNATURAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO CHANGE THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. ALSO, THERE ARE WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CHIMNEY, WHICH IS KIND OF TYPICAL OF OLDER HOUSES. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT KIND OF BOTHERED ME. YES. SO, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SIR, UM, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE OF, OF THE, UH, ELEVATION ON THE FLOOR SIDE THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, THERE WAS TWO BED, UH, TWO WINDOWS ON THE CORNER, UH, BEDROOM. AND SO THAT BEDROOM HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY FOUR WINDOWS. UM, SO THAT'S, WE, WE DID CANCEL TWO WINDOWS BECAUSE IT HAD FOUR WINDOWS AND IT WAS, IT WITH FOUR WINDOWS ON, ON TWO WALLS. IT WAS NOT, THERE WASN'T GONNA BE ANY ROOM FOR EVEN TO HANG A TV 'CAUSE IT WAS GONNA BE TWO WINDOWS, TWO WINDOWS, CLOSET AND DOOR. AND SO WE FIGURED, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK TWO WINDOWS IS GONNA BE SUFFICIENT FOR THAT ROOM. AND THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED TO REMOVE THOSE TWO WINDOWS FROM, FROM BEING FOUR TO TWO. UM, ON THE, ON THE, UH, ON THE GABLE PART THAT YOU SEE UPSTAIRS, UH, THAT AREA THERE ON THE TOP WHERE THAT GABLE IS, IT HAD TWO LARGE WINDOWS THAT WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FLOOR. UH, AND WE KNEW THAT PER CODE, YOU CAN'T HAVE WINDOWS THAT REACH, THAT GO DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR. 'CAUSE IF SOMEONE OPENS IT OR A KID OPENS IT, THEY CAN LITERALLY FALL OUT. SO THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED TO INSTALL A SMALL, A SMALLER WINDOW ON TOP. 'CAUSE IT'S A BATHROOM, AND WE FIGURED IT DOESN'T NEED ANY KIND OF ESCAPE, UH, REQUIREMENT. UM, WE CAN, UH, AND WE ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO ADD TWO MORE WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE. UH, SMALLER WINDOWS LIKE IT HAD BEFORE. THOSE SMALL TWO WINDOWS ARE TWO BATHROOMS. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE FINE. UH, WE, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT, UM, TO ADD THOSE TWO WINDOWS THERE. UM, IN REGARDS TO THAT PORCH THERE THAT YOU SEE, UM, TWO THINGS. UH, WHEN WE GOT THE HOME, WE, THAT WAS NOT, WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS A PORCH UNTIL WE FOUND ALL THIS OUT, BECAUSE THAT WAS COMPLETELY BURNED. UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY BOARDED, SO WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS, WE ALWAYS WONDER WHAT, WHAT THAT WAS. BUT WE MADE IT A NICE BIG WALK-IN CLOSET FOR THAT BEDROOM. UH, AND WE WE'RE WILLING TO DO SOME KIND OF A, UH, MAYBE, UH, UH, AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ON, ON THAT WALL. UH, AND MAYBE EVEN A WINDOW, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE WINDOWS, SMALL WINDOWS FOR THAT AREA. UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT, UH, WE LATER FOUND OUT THAT, THAT ON THAT PORCHES WHERE THE FIRE INITIATED BY THAT HOMELESS 'CAUSE THEY WERE GOING IN THAT PORCH AND, AND LIGHTING STUFF UP AND, AND, BUT, BUT YES, WE'RE WILLING TO, UH, TO ADD WINDOWS THERE, UH, ON THAT, ON THAT ELEVATION AND, AND MAYBE, LIKE I SAID, DO SOME KIND OF A, A, A ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ON THAT AREA. YEAH, I, I REALIZE THAT THE, UH, DORMER IS, IS A BATHROOM AND, UM, BUT YOU COULD PUT TWO FALSE WINDOWS OR FROSTED WINDOWS THAT LOOK LIKE THE OLD FASHIONED WINDOWS THAT DON'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR. YEAH. WE, WE COULD DO, UM, REMOVE, UH, ARE YOU TALKING THE ONE ON THE GABLE? YEAH. YEAH. SO WE COULD REMOVE THAT ONE, UM, IF YOU WANT AND [02:55:01] PUT MAYBE TWO SMALLER WINDOWS, LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE MAYBE, UH, SQUARE, YOU KNOW, SQUARE WINDOWS OR SMALLER RECTANGULAR WINDOWS. SURE. COMMISSIONER ANTES. YES. UH, EVERYTHING THAT HE JUST SAID, , SO IT'S GREAT. GLAD YOU SAID THAT. UH, THE COLUMN COLUMNS ON THE FRONT, UH, ARE, WERE, WERE THOSE STONED OR WERE THOSE, UH, A CAP STAFFED? DO YOU KNOW IF THOSE WERE ORIGINALLY STONED OR WAS IT A JUST A, A SHELL AROUND? SO THEY, THEY WERE, THEY WERE STONE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PICTURE. AND WHAT WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, THAT WERE JUST AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE BA OUTSIDE OF OUR BUDGET. 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT, WELL, INITIALLY WE THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAVE THEM. BUT, UH, WHEN WE BROUGHT OUR ENGINEER, HE NOTICED THAT THEY WERE, I MEAN, THEY WERE MISSING A LOT OF PIECES ON THE BACK. UH, AND SOME WERE ACTUALLY FLOATING. IT SOUNDS HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT THEY WERE NOT SUPPORTED BY ANYTHING. SO, AND, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S NOTICEABLE THERE, BUT THE, BUT THE, THE, THAT, THAT, UM, AREA THERE, THE ROOF WAS COMING DOWN BECAUSE IT, IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY SUPPORT. AND SO THAT'S WHEN HE, UH, HE RECOMMENDED THAT WE REMOVE THAT AND, AND PUT PROPER SUPPORTS ON THAT. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PUT MAYBE A, A STONE, A STONE FACADE A AROUND THAT? UH, YEAH. SOMETHING THAT WOULD MIMIC, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A, A, UM, WELL I LO I LOST THE TECHNICAL TERM. SOMEBODY HELPED ME WITH IT, UH, CLAD. THERE YOU GO. LITTLE, LITTLE CLAD DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LOAD BEARING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST TO GET IT TO LOOK, UH, LIKE IT WAS BEFORE. THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY. I THINK RIGHT NOW, UM, IT, IT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SEE THAT PICTURE 23. UM, THAT'S WHAT WE, UH, WE, WE, UH, UH, DID, UH, IF YOU LIKE, MAYBE WE CAN DO LIKE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN WHERE THEY'VE COVERED HALFWAY WITH ROCK AND PUT SOME KIND OF NICE TRIM ON TOP. YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO THAT IF YOU WANTED TO. YEAH, I'M JUST LOOKING TO TRY AND GET IT BACK TO AS CLOSE TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. UM, SURE. AND AGAIN, CLAD, IT CAN BE THIN. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE VISUAL ASPECT OF IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE STONE BRICK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU CAN PUT A, A CLADDING ON THAT, THAT WOULD MIMIC THAT. SURE. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. YEAH. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. QUESTION FOR STAFF AND, UM, MAYBE THE APPLICANT HAS THE ANSWER. UM, ALSO, THIS IS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT IS A DESIGNATED LANDMARK AND IT'S ALSO IN THE NCD. CORRECT. SO ANY IDEA WHY THE PERMITTING, UM, PROCESS DIDN'T ALSO NOTIFY ZONING FOR THE PERMITTING? BECAUSE FOR AN NCD, IT DOESN'T SHOW AS BEING IN AN NCD, UM, ON OUR ZONING DATA ON THE RECOMMENDATION. SO WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. UM, BUT WE RECEIVED A REALLY LARGE LIST OF PERMITS WHERE THE HISTORIC REVIEW HAD NOT BEEN GENERATED UHHUH. AND SO IT WASN'T AFFECTING HISTORIC REVIEWS ALONE. THERE WERE SEVERAL REVIEWS THAT WEREN'T GENERATED ON MANY PERMITS. SO I THINK IT WAS AN OVERALL PERMITTING GLITCH IN THE SYSTEM. OKAY. BECAUSE IF WE ARE, WELL, IF IT IS IN THE, IN CD IT HAS A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT DO AFFECT EXISTING BUILDINGS AS WELL AS NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, ELEVATIONS WINDOWS AND SOME OF THE SAME THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. MM-HMM. . SO YES, IT'S, IT IS IN THE NCD, IT IS IN THE NNC D. SO, UM, THEY TALK ABOUT PORCHES LEAVING ON EXISTING HOUSES, LEAVING THE PORCHES AS IS AN OPEN, HOW WINDOWS ARE APPLIED TO ELEVATIONS OR HOW THEY'RE NOT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION REALLY IS WHY THE NCD DIDN'T TRIGGER THIS ALSO. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? MOTION. OKAY. HAVE A MOTION PLEASE. MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH THE ADDED STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE DISCUSSION REGARDING FENESTRATION, THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL, UH, FENESTRATION ENHANCEMENTS. AND I LOOK TO THE RECORD TO, UM, THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE, THE, UH, COMMISSIONER THAT, THAT WAS HAVING THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE DORMER WINDOWS AND THE WINDOWS ON THE FACADE THAT THAT LACK FENESTRATION END OF MOTION. SECOND. THIS MAY MORE THAN PROBABLY A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION, SIR. YES. UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER INCLUDING IN YOUR MOTION, IF YOU GO TO, UM, SLIDE 41, WHICH IS THE FLOORS STREET FACADE, WHICH I THINK IS LACKING MOST OF THE HISTORIC DETAIL, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE WINDOWS, [03:00:01] UH, INCLUDE THE, UH, GABLE DECORATIVE FRAMING ON THE DORMER. YES, SIR. UH, AND, UH, UM, DEALING WITH, UH, ON THE PORCH MODIFICATIONS TO ENHANCE THE FACT THAT THERE WERE THE SIDE PORCH, SORRY, UM, ENHANCE, UH, OR RECREATE THE, UH, PORCH COLUMNS THAT WERE ON THAT SIDE AS WELL. UH, OKAY. UH, MOTION TO INCLUDE THE, UM, GABLE DETAIL AND SOME ARCHITECTURAL ENHANCEMENT TO RECOLLECT THE PORCH DETAILS PER THE INCLUDED PHOTOGRAPHS. AND I SAY IT THAT WAY, MR. CHAIR, BECAUSE I WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT IT BURNED AND THAT IT WAS OF NO CAUSE OF THEIR OWN AND, AND THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT THAT YOU DID SAY THAT PERHAPS THERE WAS SOME ARCHITECTURAL SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO THAT WOULD BE REMINISCENT OF THAT ACTIVITY, RIGHT? YES, SIR. ARCHITECTURAL, AND, AND BY THE WAY, I POINT OUT THAT, THAT, SIR, SIR, ONE MORE PLEASE. THAT THE SECOND AGREE. SECOND AGREE. OKAY, GO AHEAD, SIR. SORRY. UM, I, I DID WANNA POINT OUT IN REGARDS TO THE PORCH, UH, UH, WE RESEARCH IN, BACK IN THE HISTORY OF, OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT PORCH WAS NOT, OR PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, UH, STRUCTURE BACK DATED BACK TO, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS 19, UM, WHAT IS IT, 1930? I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. UH, THE PROPERTY, THE STRUCTURE WAS FIRST CONSTRUCTED IN AROUND 1920, AND THE SIDE PORCH APPEARS ON THE SANBORN MAP FIRST IN 1934, BUT NOT ON THE 1931 SANBORN MAP. WELL, LET, LET ME JUST LEAVE, LEAVE THAT ON TO WORK WITH STAFF AND PERHAPS THERE'S SOME WAY, AND THAT YOU IN THE LONG RUN, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT EVEN MORE , RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T REALLY TALKING ABOUT ONLY ABOUT A APPLICATE OF, OF SOME, UH, DIMENSION DIMENSIONALITY, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO THERE'S SHADOW AND THINGS CREATED, RIGHT? YEAH. OUR, OUR CONCERN WITH THAT WAS THAT, UH, UH, I GUESS LEARNING THAT THAT WAS A PLACE WHERE THE HOMELESS WERE SLEEPING, AND THAT'S WHERE THE PLA THE, THE, THE FIRE INITIATED, UH, WE, WE EVEN HAD A, A, A, UM, FENCE, TEMPORARY FENCE THERE, UH, SURROUNDING THE, THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE HOUSE AND THE FENCE GOT STOLEN. SO IT, IT, IT'S A CONSTANT FIGHT ON, ON, ON TRYING TO KEEP THE PROPERTY. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE LIKE, LET'S GET IT FINISHED. LET'S, LET'S LIVE IN THERE. LET'S LET THE, ALL THE HOMELESS KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE. SOMEONE'S HERE TO, TO GUARD THE HOUSE. SO, BUT I APPRECIATE IT. YES, THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SINO? AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GUEVARA? AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 16, [16. Address/Description:    1514 W LYNWOOD HDRC Case No.:    2024-229 Historic District Name:    Keystone Park Applicant:    ELENA ANGELES SANCHEZ/MOVEHOUSE INVESTMENT CORP Request:    Demolition of a historic landmark (accessory) and front column modifications City Council Dist.:    1  ] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 29 15 14 WEST LINWOOD, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ONE DEMOLISH THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL FRONT PORCH COLUMNS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITH WOOD COLUMNS. ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G. THIS STRUCTURE IS SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE, AND A CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR MUST COMPLETE DECONSTRUCTION FORM SUBMISSION AND PERMITTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH UDC CHAPTER 12. ARTICLE TWO. AS NOTED IN FINDING G, ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS BASED ON FINDING H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD FRONT PORCH COLUMNS THAT ARE NO WIDER THAN SIX INCHES SQUARE, FEATURING BOTH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM AND SANFORD CORNERS IN THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING METAL COLUMNS. UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND AN UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWING MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA. AND AS A CASE COMMENT, UH, THE METAL COLUMNS WERE REPLACED WITHOUT A COA AND SO THE APPLICANT IS WITH US TODAY, UM, TO REQUEST, UH, APPROVAL OF THE COLUMNS AS CURRENTLY INSTALLED. THE APPLICANT, ELENA SANCHEZ, IS WITH US IN PERSON AND REQUIRES TRANSLATION SERVICES. [03:05:01] OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M, WE ARE HAPPY TO BE HERE AND, UH, SEE, UM, HOW YOU WORK. THANK, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? AVENUE YOUR MIC'S NOT COMING THROUGH. YOU HAVE TO HOLD THAT BUTTON DOWN WHEN YOU SPEAK. YEP. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE ASKING REHABIL, WE HAD DECORAT, THE RED PARTS REPLACED THE WOODEN COLUMNS BECAUSE THEY WERE IN BAD CONDITION AND THEN REQUEST THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE. THEY NOTICED THE CHANGE, THE COLUMNS. I'M ASKING, IT'S GONNA BE TWO YEARS THAT SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. SHE'S REALLY FRUSTRATED THE PROBLEM SHE'S BEEN HAVING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE POSSIBLE THAT I COULD KEEP THEM THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE. I DIDN'T THINK I COULD. OKAY. I WAS THINKING I COULD LEAVE IT THE WAY IT WAS. OKAY. SHE TRIED TO GET A LOAN TO GET THE, THE, UH, REPAIRS FOR THE GARAGE TO BE DONE, BUT SHE WAS TOLD SHE NEEDED A LETTER THAT SAID THAT, THAT THE STRUCTURE OF THE GARAGE WAS IN GOOD CONDITIONS BEFORE SHE COULD GET A LOAN TO MAKE THE REPAIRS. MAINLY SHE'S USING THE GARAGE TO STORE THINGS. THEN SHE, SHE REQUESTED AN INSPECTION FROM, UH, ENGINEER, UH, ENGINEER S GARAGE. HE DETERMINED THAT THE STRUCTURE OF THE GARAGE WAS IN BAD CONDITION AND IT WAS DANGEROUS. THEY WERE, THEY WERE, UH, BEAMS THAT WERE, UH, BROKEN. AND TO CLARIFY, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED BROKEN. BROKEN RECOMMEND. YEAH. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION, SO IT'S REALLY JUST A SECOND ITEM WITH THE COLUMNS THAT OKAY. SO THEN IT'S JUST THE COLUMN SHE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP AS THEY ARE IF SHE HAS DONE THEM. WAS THAT IT WAS THAT IT? OKAY. CRYSTAL, THAT'S ALL SHE HAS. THAT'S IT RIGHT NOW. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTION, DO WE HAVE NO VOICEMAILS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SURE. UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, JUST TO BE SURE, UM, THE, THE PHOTOS ON PAGE 34 ARE THE, IS WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKED LIKE ORIGINALLY, AND THEN PAGE 35 IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. NOW, CLAR, I JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. THAT'S RIGHT. PURPOSES. SO YOU'VE TAKEN OFF THE, THE, UM, VINYL SIDING AND THE [03:10:01] STONE. OKAY, THANK YOU. IT, YES, IT'S ALL WOOD NOW. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THE ONE IN THE PICTURE RIGHT NOW, THE WHITE HOUSE WITH THE WOOD COLUMNS THAT ARE JUST ON THE VARIOUS SIDES OF THE PORCH, THOSE ARE THE COLUMNS THAT, THE ONES THAT ARE NOT PAINTED THE UNPAINTED WOOD. AND I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF DID YOU, CAN YOU, WERE YOU ABLE TO TELL, DO THEY EVEN SUPPORT ANYTHING OR ARE THEY JUST DECORATIVE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY, THEY SUPPORT ANY SUPPORT? SHE, SHE SAYS THEY DO, THEY DO SUPPORT BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS ONES WERE METAL. THE RED ONES THAT YOU TOOK OFF, THOSE WERE DECORATIVE THE RED ONES. RIGHT. SO STAFF FINDS THAT THESE METAL COLUMNS WERE LIKELY REPLACEMENT COLUMNS. AND SO IT WAS VERY LIKELY THAT THERE WERE PREVIOUSLY WOOD COLUMNS INSTALLED, LIKELY WHERE YOU SEE THE RED OUTLINE OF WHERE THE METAL COLUMNS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED. UM, SO THERE WERE POSTS IN THE PLACE WHERE THE APPLICANT HAS INSTALLED THE CURRENT WOOD COLUMN. UM, SO SHE HAS, SHE JUST REPLACED THOSE ESSENTIALLY. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THERE ARE WOOD COLUMNS INSTALLED IN THE LOCATION WHERE THE, AT LEAST TWO OF THE PREVIOUS METAL COLUMNS WERE LOCATED. AND SO THERE WAS ALREADY SOME COLUMNS THERE THAT, THAT ACTED SIMILAR IN NATURE, LIKE ACCORDING, LIKE IN THIS PICTURE HERE, CORRECT? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, SO RACHEL, WOULD YOU SAY THAT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION WOULD BE JUST TO ADD ANOTHER SET OF COLUMNS AND, OR THEY COULD BE COLUMN LIKE SUBSTANCES AND MAYBE THEY'RE JUST DECORATIVE IN WOOD OR WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT REFLECT THE GUIDELINES? YES. SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UH, TWO COLUMNS ARE INSTALLED ON THE FRONT PORCH IN SIMILAR LOCATIONS TO WHERE THESE DECORATIVE METAL COLUMNS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED AND THAT THEY, UM, MEET STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD COLUMNS WITH THE TRADITIONAL BASE AND CAPITAL AND SANFORD CORNERS. OKAY. SO THE THE ONES THAT ARE THERE NOW DON'T HAVE TO BE REMOVED? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. OKAY, SIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. SECOND. SO LEMME CLARIFY. SO YOU SAID JUST A MOTION, YOU SAID A MOTION IS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. SO CAN YES, SIR. BECAUSE IT'S VERY CLEAR FROM LOOKING AT THE WAY THAT THE, SO LET ME STOP YOU, SIR. SO I'M STOPPING YOU 'CAUSE IT WASN'T COMPLETE. SO YEAH, JUST, JUST AS, AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. IN OTHER WORDS, SHE'S DONE WITH HER PROJECT APPROVE OR YOU SAYING APPROVED. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WHAT DID I SAY? YOU JUST SAY MOTION AS IS BY THE APPLICANTS ? YEAH. MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT AS A SECOND DEGREE? YES. AGREE. GREAT. FURTHER DISCUSSION. GO AHEAD SIR. NO, NO DISCUSSION. NO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE AREN'T, THOSE WEREN'T LOAD BEARING AT ALL, RIGHT? THOSE LITTLE METAL THINGS ARE NOT, YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO SAVINO. AYE. VELASQUEZ C AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. AVADA AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES, YES. C HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. [17. Address/Description:    2100 N MAIN AVE HDRC Case No.:    2024-270 Historic District Name:    Monte Vista Applicant:    Haley Serna/Elevate Architecture, PLLC Request:    Construction of a 1,500-square-foot addition City Council Dist.:    1  ] ITEM NUMBER 17, PLEASE. AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 17, HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 70 2100 NORTH MAIN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 1500 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED EDITION AND AN UPDATED SITE PLAN ADDRESSING THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE ADDITION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA BASED ON FINDING B TWO, THAT THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURES PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE AND STAFF'S STANDARD METAL ROOF STIPULATIONS, INCLUDING A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH, AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR ALL THE PROPOSED DOORS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA BASED ON FINDING D FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT [03:15:01] MODIFIES THE CLADDING MATERIAL TO FEATURE EITHER STUCCO OR METAL CLADDING IN A BOARD AND BATTEN PROFILE TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. BASED ON FINDING F THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A FINAL SITE PLAN SHOWING THE DIMENSIONS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR ANY SITE WORK MODIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND EXPLORES THE USE OF PERMEABLE SURFACING IN LIEU OF ADDITIONAL CONCRETE ON THE SITE BASED ON FINDING H AND 6 4 6 THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A SEPARATE APPLICATION FOR SIGNAGE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE SIGNAGE PLAN BASED ON FINDING I AND THE APPLICANT'S NICK WEINHEIMER AND JOCELYN NORIEGA ARE WITH US IN PERSON. THERE ARE TWO LETTERS IN YOUR LETTER FOLDER. INTRODUCE YOURSELF. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME'S NICK WEINHEIMER. THIS IS JOCELYN. SORRY. I, HI. UM, I'M JOCELYN ORGA. UH, I'M THE, UH, I, UH, WORK FOR HEADWALL INVESTMENTS. UH, WE'RE THE DEVELOPERS OF THE PROJECT HERE. UM, WE'RE VERY PLEASED TO, UH, BE MEETING WITH YOU TODAY. UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO, UM, REVITALIZE THIS VERY PROMINENT CORNER IN OUR DISTRICT. UM, THIS, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THIS FUELING STATION HAS BEEN, UM, VACANT AND ABANDONED SINCE THE EARLY NINETIES. UM, SO OVER 30 YEARS OF, OF JUST A WASTED CORNER. AND SO, UH, WE FEEL, UM, WE'RE EXCITED TODAY TO, UH, BRING THE PLAN TO REDEVELOP, UM, AND TO BRING A AMENITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S, UH, Y'ALL'S TIME TODAY. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SAY, SIR? UM, SO THE, THE QUESTION, THE COMMENTS HERE, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE, IF WE CAN PULL 'EM UP AGAIN SOMEWHERE, UM, AND WE CAN SPIN THROUGH THEM INDIVIDUALLY. I'M SORRY. DO YOU HAVE THOSE, UH, THE SIX, UM, BULLET POINTS, STIPULATIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? YEP. YES. SO THE REASON THAT THIS APPLICATION IS ON THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA IS MOSTLY DUE TO STIPULATION TWO, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A BLACK STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF AS OPPOSED TO THE STANDARD GALVAO FINISH. AND, UM, ALSO FOR THE CLADDING MATERIAL. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING EITHER A STUCCO OR A METAL CLADDING IN A BOARD AND BATTEN PROFILE AS OPPOSED TO THE CORRUGATED METAL LOOKING PROFILE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, MOST OF THE STIPULATIONS ARE RELATED TO JUST UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS, CORRECTED ELEVATION LABELS, UM, TOTAL HEIGHT, ET CETERA. YES. AND PREPARED TO ADDRESS THOSE TWO, UH, MAIN COMMENTS THIS AFTERNOON OR THIS EVENING. UH, FIRST ONE, UM, WE WILL NOT BE PURSUING A BLACK SANDING STEAM METAL ROOF. WE'RE GOING WITH A STANDARD TPO FLAT ROOF HERE. SO, UM, THAT, I THINK THAT WAS JUST A MISLABELING OR A LITTLE CONFUSION THERE. UM, WE WERE PLANNING ON INCLUDING, UM, A VERTICAL BLACK METAL SIDING ALONG THAT BACK FACADE. UM, BUT WE'VE HEAR THE COMMENTS LOUD AND CLEAR AND, UH, WE'RE PREPARED TO PURSUE ANOTHER, UH, UH, MATERIAL THERE, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE SKIN. UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, WE'VE ALSO UPDATED THE, UM, CLOUDING MATERIAL FOR THE PIT ROOM THERE. UH, WE'RE NOW SHOWING A, UH, MORE BOARD AND BATTEN STYLE FLAT BLACK METAL PANEL. UM, WE WE'RE REUSING THE CHICAGO STYLE EXISTING, UM, FIFTIES VINTAGE WINDOWS. UM, WE'LL, WE'LL SCREEN DROP IN SCREEN INSTEAD OF, UH, REGLING THEM, BUT WE'LL BRING THEM BACK UP TO WORKABLE CONDITION. UM, AND THOSE ARE THOSE PROMINENT WINDOWS, UH, THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE PIT ROOM TO, YOU KNOW, FACILITATE THAT, UH, THAT AIRFLOW THAT WE'LL BE NEEDING. UM, AND THEN YEAH, WE'VE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THIS ADDITION COMPLIMENT, BUT NOT, UM, NOT TRY TO GO OVERLY MATCH, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A NICE CONTRAST WITH THE EXISTING HISTORICAL, UM, STRUCTURE THAT WAS THERE EXISTING TODAY. SO IF I'M TO UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS? UH, YEAH. YES. WE, WE BELIEVE THAT, THAT WE CAN, WE WORK WITH THEM, CORRECT? YEAH. AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IF STAFF MAY, UM, THE DRAWINGS AND THE RENDERINGS DO SHOW A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON THE ADDITION PORTION. AND SO WERE YOU OKAY WITH A STANDARD GALVAO FINISH FOR THAT OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO REQUEST THE BLACK FINISH? UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT PIECE IS ULTIMATELY GONNA NEED TO BE MODIFIED. UM, BUT I THINK THAT IF THE STAFF IS OKAY WITH GALVANIZED METAL ROOF, THAT, UM, FOR THAT PORTION THAT WE CAN, UH, KEEP THAT QUESTIONS [03:20:01] CHAIR. I HAVE A MOTION, I HOW FAR YOU HAVE A MOTION? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MA'AM? ONE QUESTION. YES. DID I MISUNDERSTAND THAT PART OF THE ROOF WILL HAVE A-A-T-P-O FLAT SURFACE AND WHERE IS THAT EXACTLY? THAT'S THE, AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, CLARIFYING THAT. SO THE, THE PIT ROOM YES, DOES HAVE THAT, UH, SAN SEA METAL ROOF, THE REMAINDER OF THE ADDITION. UM, SO, UH, IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THAT, ON THESE PERSPECTIVES HERE I GUESS, BUT WE'LL ALSO BE ADDING, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, UM, THAT SMALL ADDITION TO THE BACK THERE. UM, THE KIT, THE REMAINDER OF THE KITCHEN AREA, IT'S ABOUT A TOTAL 1500 SQUARE FEET, BUT THE, THE PIT AREA IS ONLY ABOUT 700 SQUARE FEET, SO THE REMAINDER OF THAT WILL BE A ROOF. OKAY, GOT IT. THANK YOU. A ROOF COMMISSIONER ANTES? YEAH, I RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. BEEN MORE THAN PROBABLY A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA? AYE. EVA? AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIPPS AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 18 PLEASE. [18. Address/Description:    301 LAVACA ST HDRC Case No.:    2024-268 Historic District Name:    Lavaca Applicant:    Fernando Morales/Candid Works PLLC Request:    Addition, carports, and limestone wall construction; and concrete apron installation City Council Dist.:    1  ] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 68 3 0 1 LAVACCA STREET. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCTION APPROXIMATELY 1,966 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION TO CONSTRUCTING APPROXIMATELY 360 SQUARE FOOT REAR CARPORT ACCESSIBLE FROM GARFIELD ALLEY. THREE, APPROXIMATELY 360 SQUARE FOOT REAR CARPORT ACCESSIBLE FROM INDY STREET. FOUR. INSTALL A NEW CONCRETE APRON FROM GARFIELD ALLEY AND FIVE CONSTRUCT A SIX FOOT TALL LIMESTONE PRIVACY WALL AT THE REAR. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED MEASURED ROOF PLAN AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE FLAT ROOF PORTION PRIOR TO FINAL REVIEW. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE UNOBSTRUCTED MEASURED ELEVATION DRAWINGS OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION PRIOR TO FINAL REVIEW. THREE. THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A LANDSCAPE SITE PLAN PRIOR TO FINAL REVIEW. FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT STALLS A WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR FINAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. FIVE. THAT THE APPLICANT STALLS A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF WITH STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS. SIX. THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED A TRADITIONAL FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE REAR ADDITION TO INCLUDE DASH WINDOWS SEVEN. THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE GARFIELD ALLEY CARPORT BASED ON FINDINGS L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE SEAL MEMBERS BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE EXISTING NATURAL TONES AND COLORS FOUND ON SITE TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL STANDARD ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY'S ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. ITEM THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE ND STREET CARPORT BASED ON FINDING M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE STEEL MEMBERS BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE EXISTING NEUTRAL OR NATURAL TONES AND COLORS FOUND ON SITE TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL STEPBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. ITEM FOUR STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW CONCRETE APRON FROM GARFIELD ALLEY BASED ON FINDING IN WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE MEASUREMENTS OF THE PROPOSED CONCRETE APRON PRIOR TO FINAL REVIEW. AND FIVE. ITEM FIVE STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE SIX FOOT TALL LIMESTONE PRIVACY WALL BASED ON FINDING O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES STAFF AN EXAMPLE OF THE LIMESTONE PRIOR TO INSTALLATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT, FORNANDO MORALES IS HERE IN PERSON AND THERE'S ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSION REVIEW. AND MR. MORALES, IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WALK THE COMMISSIONERS TO YOUR PROJECT. FERNANDO MORALES, CANDID WORKS ARCHITECTS. THANK YOU. YOURE PRESENT. PRESENT YOUR CASE, SIR. SO THIS PROPERTY CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION BACK IN DECEMBER SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A MUCH SMALLER SCOPE OF WORK. UH, AT THAT TIME THE OWNER WANTED ONLY TO RESTORE THE HISTORIC HOME, ADD A NEW FRONT PORCH AND CONSTRUCT A SMALL REAR ADDITION. UH, THE SCOPE AT THAT TIME ALSO INCLUDED A NEW CARPORT AND A NEW, UH, [03:25:01] PERIMETER FENCE. UM, HOWEVER, NOW THE OWNER STILL WISHES TO RESTORE THE HISTO HISTORIC HOME AND ADD A NEW FRONT PORCH. BUT IN LIEU OF THE SMALL REAR ADDITION, THE OWNER NOW WISHES TO CONSTRUCT A LARGER REAR ADDITION THAT WOULD INCORPORATE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE INTO ROUGHLY 2,500 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHICH WILL SERVE AS THE OWNER'S PRIMARY RESIDENCE. THE PROJECT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE TWO NEW CARPORTS, FENCING, STONE PRIVACY WALLS, LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPE. UH, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF DESIGN WITH VARIOUS STIPULATIONS, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO RAISE TWO OF THE STIPULATIONS WITH THE COMMISSION FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. THESE WOULD BE THE STIPULATIONS PERTAINING TO WINDOW TYPE AND FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE NEW ADDITION, WHICH ARE STIPULATIONS FOUR AND SIX UNDER ITEM ONE. ALL OTHER STIPULATIONS WE PLAN TO COMPLY WITH OUR DESIGN IS SEEKING TO OPERATE WITHIN A SPACE WE SEE BEING CREATED BY THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. SPECIFICALLY GENERAL PRINCIPLE NUMBER TWO, LISTED ON PAGE ONE OF SECTION FOUR, THE GUIDELINES WHICH READS ATTEMPTING TO CREATE AN EXACT REPLICA OF HISTORIC STYLES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION BLURS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN OLD AND NEW BUILDINGS AND MAKES THE ARCHITECTURAL EVOLUTION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MORE DIFFICULT TO INTERPRET. WHILE NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS SHOULD NOT ATTEMPT TO MIRROR OR REPLICATE HISTORIC FEATURES, NEW STRUCTURES SHOULD NOT BE SO DISSIMILAR AS TO DISTRACT FROM OR DIMINISH THE HISTORIC INTERPRETATION OF THE DISTRICT. WE APPRECIATE THAT THIS PRINCIPLE HIGHLIGHTS, UH, THE VALUE OF DIFFERENCE WHILE ALSO HIGHLIGHTING THE NEED FOR THAT DIFFERENCE TO NOT REACH THE POINT OF DISTRACTION. KNOWING THAT THE ADDITION WE ARE PROPOSING IS SO MUCH LARGER THAN THE EXISTING HISTORIC HOME, WE HAVE TAKEN MEASURES TO MINIMIZE THE POTENTIAL FOR IT TO BE A DISTRACTION FROM THE HISTORIC HOME AND A DISTRACTION WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. FIRST, WE HAVE PULLED MOST OF THE NEW ADDITION BACK AND AWAY FROM THE STREET FURNITURES SO THAT THE HISTORIC HOME REMAINS PROMINENT. SECOND, WE'VE MASKED AND SEGMENTED THE NEW ADDITION IN A WAY THAT CREATES AN ENSEMBLE OF FORMS ON THE SITE THAT WE, THAT ARE SIMILAR IN SHAPE AND SCALE TO THE HISTORIC HOME. AND FINALLY, WE'VE HARNESSED SITE WALLS AND LANDSCAPING TO ESTABLISH VISUAL BUFFERS THAT WILL OBSCURE SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS OF THE NEW FACADE FROM PUBLIC VIEW. BEARING THESE MEASURES IN MIND, WE WOULD, UM, ASK IF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE OPEN TO ALLOWING A MORE CONTEMPORARY FENESTRATION PATTERN AND WINDOW AND DOOR STYLE ON THE ADDITION, SINCE MOST OF THE WINDOWS AND DOORS WOULD EITHER BE PARTIALLY OR FULLY OBSCURED FROM PUBLIC VIEW. ALSO IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE COMMISSION. UH, AND AS A WAY AND AS A WAY OF ESTABLISHING PRECEDENT, I BROUGHT ALONG, UM, ON A FLASH DRIVE SOME IMAGES OF OUR FIRM'S PAST PROJECTS IN LAVACCA AND KING WILLIAM THAT IMPLY THAT THAT EMPLOYED CONTEMPORARY FENESTRATION PATTERNS ON CONTEMPORARY ADDITIONS. SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS I KNOW SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, WILL ALREADY BE FAMILIAR WITH. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE WERE TWO POINTS, RIGHT? SIR? YOU HAD TWO POINTS? YES. WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE? UH, THE SECOND STIPULATION, UH, STIPULATIONS SIX UNDER ITEM ONE. SO STIPULATIONS FOUR AND STIPULATIONS SIX ARE THE ONES I'D LIKE TO RAISE FOR DISCUSSION UNDER ITEM ONE. SO ON, UM, STIPULATION SIX. UM, SO, OKAY, SO YOU WANNA GO MORE CONTEMPORARY THAN TRADITIONAL BASICALLY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? WHAT WAS THAT? I'M SORRY. OH, SO YOU'RE SAYING ON, UM, ON SIX, UM, THE STIPULATION STATES THAT YOU INCORPORATE A TRADITIONAL FENESTRATION PATTERN, RIGHT? BUT YOU WANT SOMETHING MORE CONTEMPORARY? CORRECT. GOTCHA. UM, ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. UM, VOICEMAIL PLEASE. HI, I AM MELISSA DENELL CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGARDING ITEM 18. UH, ON TODAY'S AGENDA FOR 3 0 1 LAVACCA STREET, THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD HAS REVIEWED THIS CASE AND SUPPORTS STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THEIR STIPULATIONS. THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S MAIN FEEDBACK WAS TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THE SIX FOOT STONE WALL. WE ASKED THE OWNER TO CONSIDER WAYS TO AVOID A COMPOUND LIKE APPEARANCE, WHICH IS NOT CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE FIND THE RESTRICTION OF THE SIX FOOT STONE WALL TO THE REAR PORTION OF THE LOT HELPFUL IN AVOIDING THIS AND APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE BECAUSE OF A GREAT AMOUNT OF NOISE, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ELEMENTS IN THIS AREA NEAR CAESAR CHAVEZ BOULEVARD IN HEMISPHERE PARK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT, SIR? CERTAINLY. UM, SO WE TOO DEFINITELY WANT TO, UH, AVOID A COMPOUND LIKE, UH, APPEARANCE TO THE PROJECT. UM, IF WE CAN GO THROUGH THE IMAGES, UH, KIND OF, UM, [03:30:01] HERE, THIS IS ONE LOCATION WHERE THE SIX FOOT STONE PRIVACY WALL IS, IS VISIBLE TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE HISTORIC HOME. UM, IN, IN THIS INSTANCE, IT'S PERFORMING THE FUNCTION FOR US OF MASKING THE PRIMARY FRONT FACING ELEVATION OF THE NEW ADDITION. UM, SO AS AGAIN, TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF DISTRACTION THAT THE NEW ADDITION MIGHT CAUSE, UM, UH, DRAWING ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC HOME ITSELF. AND WE FELT THAT ALSO POSITIONING THAT NEW PRIVACY WALL BACK WALL BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC HOME MIGHT HELP TO REDUCE, UH, SOME OF THE PRESENCE OF THE STONEWALL DRAWING ATTENTION TO ITS PRESENCE AND ALSO BY LAYERING OF LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF IT AND THE PRESENCE OF THE, UM, CATTLE PANEL FENCE AT THE PERIMETER TO, UM, THAT, THAT THE ESTABLISHED ESTABLISHING OF THESE LAYERS WOULD HELP TO, UH, MINIMIZE OR SOFTEN ANY SORT OF FORTRESSLIKE OR COMPOUND LIKE APPEARANCE ON THIS ELEVATION. ON THE INDIAN, ON THE INDIANOLA ELEVATION, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE IS NO STONE WALL BETWEEN THE HISTORIC HOME AND, UH, THE PORTION OF THE NEW ADDITION THAT YOU SEE TO THE FAR LEFT. UM, SO THIS AREA OF THE PROJECT IS, IS BASICALLY WIDE OPEN. THE ONLY BARRIER, THE ONLY PHYSICAL BARRIER IS THE CATTLE PANEL FENCE AT THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THEN THE ONLY OTHER LOCATION WHERE THE SIX FOOT, UH, STONE PRIVACY WALL, UH, APPEARS IS AT THE REAR OF THE LOT ON THE INDIANOLA SIDE AND THEN ALSO ON GARFIELD ALLEY. UM, HERE AGAIN, IT'S SERVING THE PURPOSE OF JUST PROVIDING PRIVACY TO THE, UH, TO THE NEW ADDITION. SINCE THIS IS SUCH A HIGHLY TRAFFICKED CORRIDOR AND ESPECIALLY AS HEMISPHERE AND, UM, CESAR CHAVEZ CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, WE WE ANTICIPATE TRAFFIC ALONG, UH, INDIANOLA TO INCREASE AND FOR IT TO JUST BE AN ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN ZONE AS WELL. AND SO THE OWNER HAS CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY AND SECURITY, SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR THE WALLS THERE. SO, AND IT SOUNDED LIKE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION UNDERSTANDS THAT REASONING AND IS OKAY WITH THE WALLS AT THIS LOCATION OF THE SITE. UM, IF THE PRESENCE OF THE WALL ON LA VACA CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE OF CONCERN, WE CAN CERTAINLY EVALUATE WAYS OF FURTHER SOFTENING THAT OR, UM, MINIMIZING THE PRESENCE OF IT. UM, BUT I GUESS I WOULD JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT MOST OF THE INDIANOLA SIDE IS, IS PRETTY WIDE OPEN, WHICH I THINK HELPS TO CONTRIBUTE TO, UM, A FEELING OF OPENNESS AND NOT SO MUCH OF A FEELING OF IT BEING LIKE A COMPOUND FROM, FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE HERE IN THIS IMAGE. IT MIGHT ALSO BE HELPFUL TO LOOK AT THE AERIAL VIEW, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE LAST ONE TO GIVE YOU A GOOD VIEW OF EXACTLY WHERE THOSE STONE WALLS ARE AND HOW OPEN THE MAJORITY OF THE INDIANOLA SIDE IS. THANK YOU, SIR. SO, UM, YOU'RE, I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE I SAID, AS I SAID IN PREVIOUS CASES, THIS IS, THIS IS YOUR DESIGN. I MEAN, YOU CAN DESIGN THE WAY YOU FEEL AS THOUGH IT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS JUST TO INTERPRET WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREA VIEW, I MEAN, OF COURSE IT DOESN'T LOOK, YOU KNOW, I GUESS INTIMIDATING OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU KNOW, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SIDE, THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR, THEIR OPINION AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ONLY LOOKING AT YOUR PROPERTY, BUT LOOKING AT OTHERS IN THE AREA AND LOOKING AT HOW, HOW IT KIND OF MESHES OR BLENDINGS WITH THE OTHER AREAS. SO JUST, JUST WANT TO KEEP, KEEP THAT IN MIND. SO, UM, OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? WELL, I, I HAVE ONE. FIRST I WANNA TELL YOU, IT'S MASTERFUL BEAUTIFUL WORK, AND, UH, YOU SHOULD BE COMMENDED, UH, THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE WAY THAT THAT, THAT YOU'VE, UM, CREATED THESE ALTERNATING, UH, EXPERIENCES THAT THERE'S A BALANCE OF WHAT ONE CAN SAY. HEY, WELL, IF YOU'RE STANDING ON ONE SIDE, MAYBE THIS IS ALL YOU SEE, BUT HOLISTICALLY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY FROM THE MORE PROMINENT SIDE, IT IT IS, IT IS WIDE OPEN. I, I'M, I'M, UH, INTERESTED AS TO WHY YOU, YOU DIDN'T ALSO USE THE LANGUAGE OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, SUBORDINATING, THE, THE WALL BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS TOTALLY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF MOST HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS ANYWAY, BUT IT'S WELL DONE, THE LAYERING. I'M INTERESTED TO ASK YOU WHY YOU WOULD, UH, AGREE TO CHANGE OR MAYBE YOU DIDN'T, TO, TO CHANGE THE COLORING OF THE METAL AS IT SEEMS THAT IT'S HOLISTIC AND, AND THAT EVERY DECISION IS INTENTIONAL. UH, WOULD YOU PREFER THAT THE STIPULATION THAT, THAT YOU DIDN'T [03:35:01] MENTION, WHICH GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU, THAT YOU WOULD BE AGREEABLE WITH, WITH STAFF TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF PARTICULAR METALS TO RATHER THAN BE WHAT THEY ARE, THAT THEY WOULD BE EARTH TONE, WHICH TO ME DOESN'T SEEM IN, IN, UH, AESTHETICALLY IN LINE WITH WHAT SEEMS TO BE A HOLISTIC THEORY? UH, TO BE HONEST, I JUST WANTED TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF, UH, BATTLES I'D BE FIGHTING TODAY. WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, PAINT THE STEEL BROWN AND IT'LL STILL LOOK LIKE RAW STEEL OR WE COULD PAINT IT MAYBE A SHADE OF GREEN, WHICH WOULD ALSO BE NICE. UM, SO I'M, I'M, I'M NOT TOTALLY OPPOSED TO PAINTING THE STEEL A NATURAL COLOR. I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, A FINE COMPROMISE TO MAKE. OKAY. IT'S JUST ONE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT UNNECESSARY COMPROMISES JUST FOR SOME POLITICAL OUTCOME TO ME IS, IS PART OF THE DEATH OF YOUR ARCHITECTURE. SO I I PERSONALLY MADE A MOTION, WOULDN'T ASK YOU TO DO THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO THE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A, UM, WHAT DO YOU SAY, A, A CHANGE IN DIRECTION IN THE STYLE. SO, UM, IN YOUR EFFORT TO MAKE THINGS VERY SIMPLE AND QUIET AND UM, AND CLEAN, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DETAILS. UM, WHAT IS YOUR ROOF RIDGE? YOU, YOU'RE DOING A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. ARE YOU DOING, UM, A RIDGE CAP? ARE YOU DOING THE FUNNY CAP ON THE END? NO, IT WOULD BE ALL OF THE, UH, HISTORIC MUNCH, DOUBLE SEAM. RIGHT, EXACTLY. EXACTLY RIGHT. WE WOULDN'T BE DOING ANY OF THE, UH, IT, IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE A MODERN ROOF IN THAT REGARD. YEAH. THAT WOULD HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THAT, UM, STYLE. UM, ON PAGE SHEET 2.1, WHICH IS YOUR WINDOW DETAIL AND, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE IT KEYED INTO SECTIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE, SO I'M JUST GONNA GUESS THAT THOSE WITH SOME SORT OF AN OG TRIM, UM, ARE THE DETAILS SET FOR THE ORIGINAL STONE BUILDING? YEAH. YES. AND SORRY FOR NOT CLARIFYING THAT. SO THESE HISTORIC WINDOW SECTION DETAILS ARE WHAT WE WOULD USE FOR THE HISTORIC BUILDING. LOOK AT NUMBER 10 FOR THE TRANSOM THAT LOOKS, IS THAT FOR, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE TRANSOM OVER THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING. OKAY. WHY WOULD IT NOT HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, MILLED TRIM THAT YOU MIGHT SEE AT THE TOP OF THE DOOR OR THE WINDOW? IT, IT'S BEGINNING TO TAKE ON WHAT I SEE ON DRAWING NUMBER THREE, A JAM DETAIL. RIGHT, RIGHT. UH, THAT I MAY HAVE JUST BEEN AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART AND FOR FINAL REVIEW WE WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, REFINE THOSE DETAILS AND MAKE SURE THEY CON CON CONFORM TO HISTORIC PROFILES BECAUSE THAT WILL JUST STRENGTHEN YOUR, YOUR PREMISE THAT THE OLD HOUSE IS PRESERVED AND IS VERY ORIGINAL AND YOU MAKE THE DISTINCTION VERY CLEARLY ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE DETAILS. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. MOTION. MOTION. UH, ONE, ONE MOMENT PLEASE. COMMISSIONER, QUESTION, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON THE DESIGN AND, UM, LETTING THE HISTORIC BUILDING READ AS PROMINENT ON THE SITE. UH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, IN TERMS OF DIFFERENTIATING OLD AND NEW, UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OR MAYBE YOU HAVE THE, THE STONE WORK THAT YOU'RE SHOWING LOOKS MORE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, OLD OR ANTIQUE, AND HAVE YOU CONSIDERED A MORE CONTEMPORARY STONE PATTERNING, UH, FOR YOUR SIGHT WALLS? AGAIN, SO IT, YOU CAN READ THE HISTORIC BUILDING VERSUS NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WE STILL NEED TO THINK ABOUT. UM, AND FOR FINAL REVIEW, WE PLAN TO PRESENT A MORE, UH, OR THE, THE PATTERN THAT YOU SEE NOW IS LIKELY NOT WHAT WE WILL WIND UP GOING WITH. WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT IT WAS LIMESTONE AT THIS POINT, BUT NO, WE STILL NEED TO THINK ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THE PATTERN WILL BE. UM, AND, AND WE'LL TAKE, I'LL CERTAINLY TAKE YOUR COMMENT UNDER, UH, CONSIDERATION AND THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT, ABOUT THAT AND THE EFFECT THAT IT HAS. UM, OLD VERSUS NEW. DIFFERENTIATING AND DIFFERENTIATING. EXACTLY. AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, COMMENT IS, UM, ON THE AERIAL VIEW HERE, THE, THE FURTHEST REAR ADDITION OF THE CABLE END FACING THE STREET, UH, HAS NO FENESTRATION. [03:40:02] AND WONDERING IF YOU HAD STUDIED FENESTRATION ON THAT FACADE? UH, TO BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH, UH, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE DISTRICT IN TERMS OF, UH, FACADES FACING STREETS, PUBLIC WAYS, UH, TYPICALLY HAVE FENESTRATION? ABSOLUTELY, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. M, MR. MR. CHAIR MAKE A MOTION. THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD, SIR. UM, AND, AND STAFF, UH, YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF, IF, IF IT'S A WRONG ASSUMPTION TO THINK THAT IT, IT, WOULD IT ALSO BE APPROPRIATE IF, IF, IF IT WAS A MOTION FOR FINAL APPROVAL OR IS THIS TOO FAR OFF? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE FULL DESIGN DEVELOPMENT FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THEY'RE PRETTY WELL DEVELOPED DRAWINGS, BUT, BUT I MEAN, OF COURSE, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THIS. IS THE APPLICANT REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL? NO, IT'S CONCEPTUAL. I'M, I'M ASKING. OKAY. WELL IT SAYS NOBODY SAID ANYTHING THEN A MOTION, I MEAN WHAT WAS POSTED WAS CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. SO WE CAN'T ISSUE A COA AS A RESULT OF WHAT WAS POSTED. OKAY. MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, UM, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS LESS. AND I WANT TO REMOVE THE, UH, THE COLOR STIPULATIONS THAT ARE IN THE RECOMMENDATION. ITEM TWO, NUMBER ONE, ITEM THREE, NUMBER ONE, AND, UM, THE, UM, AND THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE ITEMS THAT, UH, WHAT CAN YOU REMIND ME THE NUMBERS? FOUR AND SIX. FOUR AND SIX ITEMS. FOUR AND SIX. SO THAT, THAT SEEMS A MOTION, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE CONFUSING. SO, UM, SO RIGHT NOW, SO IF WE'RE THE MOTION, NOT THAT MOTION, BUT THE MO MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. OKAY. SO STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES. ARE, YOU KNOW, ITEMS WENT THROUGH, UM, I MEAN ITEMS HERE, THERE FOR STIPULATIONS HERE. SO YOU'RE WANTING TO REMOVE CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF IT. WHAT'S CONCEPTUAL RIGHT NOW? YES, SIR. LESS THE, TO GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO PAINT THE ITEMS THAT ARE HOLISTIC TO, TO THE DESIGN THEORY AND THEN THE TWO THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED, UH, TO REMOVE THE FENESTRATION DETAIL IN THE CONTEMPORARY PART OF THE DESIGN. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE DESIGN, UH, JUST, JUST IN GENERAL, UH, UH, UH, BEING DONE CORRECTLY PER THE, THE FATHER OF THE DESIGN. SO THAT'S WHY REMOVING THOSE TWO DESIGN GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO BRING THIS THING TO PERFECTION. UM, I CAN ADD IF COMMISSIONER FETZER, UH, UH, WOULD LIKE, UH, THE MOTION TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO STUDY FENESTRATION ON THE WALL FACING, WAS IT LA THE STREET IS, UH, INDIANOLA INDIAN INDIANOLA THOUGH I THOUGH I WOULD LEAVE IT LOOSE TO THAT, THAT THEY SHOULD PRESENT, UM, UH, UM, UH, OPTIONS. BUT I, I, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT AS A MANDATE FOR THEM TO STUDY, TO STUDY IT, TO PRESENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY THINK SECOND. ALRIGHT. IS THAT CLEAR FOR STAFF? OKAY. ALRIGHT. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED FOR THE DISCUSSION, NOT MAY I FOR ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO? AYE. SAV? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. EVA? AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. GOODNIGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.