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          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          [3:00 PM – Call to Order]
I'D LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 21ST, 2024. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? HERE. 
          SAVINO. 
          HERE. 
          VELASQUEZ GALLOWAY MOOKA. 
          HERE. 
          AVADA. 
          HERE, GROUP. 
          HERE. 
          CERVANTES HOLLAND. 
          HERE. 
          FETZER HERE. 
          AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE SOMEONE FOR TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? THE STORE DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I AM JAYMAR GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. 
          IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND INSURED DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. 
          AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF THE DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF, SORRY, IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. 
          IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. 
          IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. 
          CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITHIN AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS FOUR, SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES EACH. 
          ACTUALLY WE'RE CHANGING THAT TO THREE MINUTES. 
          UM, SPEAKERS WILL MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. 
          ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. 
          SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. 
          ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMIT MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC RESERVATION. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE MANY ANNOUNCEMENTS SO 
          [ 
	Approval of minutes for the HDRC meeting of August 7, 2024.]
WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 7TH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES PLEASE? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF AUGUST 7TH, 2024. 
          MEETING MINUTES THERE. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINO AYE. 
          ZUKA AYE. 
          GUEVARA AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [CONSENT AGENDA
Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
OKAY. 
          AT THIS TIME WE CAN DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          WE HAVE 12, AS YOU CAN SEE. 
          UM, IN A MOMENT WE'LL PLAY VOICEMAIL COMMENTS FOR ITEMS RECEIVED. 
          UM, BEFORE WE DO, I WANNA TAKE A A, A MOMENT TO, UH, COGNIZE ONE OF OUR PRESERVATION PARTNERS THAT IS ACTUALLY AN APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          UM, IT'S A DESIGNATION CASE FOR THE BUILDING AT 7 0 2 SAN PEDRO, UM, AND IT'S THE FAMILY SERVICE ASSOCIATION. 
          SO SINCE 2020, FAMILY SERVICES OF SAN ANTONIO HAS SERVED AS A SPONSORING PARTNER FOR O HP'S LIVING HERITAGE TRADES ACADEMY. 
          THE TRADITIONAL BUILDING SCHOOL BUILDING TRADES SCHOOL OF SAN ANTONIO IS A PROGRAM DEVELOPED TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES TO PERPETUATE TRADITIONAL SKILLS AND CRAFTS, CONSERVE AND MAINTAIN EXISTING BUILDING STOCK AND MATERIALS, AND LEVERAGE LIVING HERITAGE FOR ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IN SAN ANTONIO THROUGH FELLOWSHIP AND COLLABORATION WITH FAMILY SERVICE. 
          THE PROGRAM WORKS TO ELIMINATE BARRIERS TO ATTAINING TRAINING AND INCREASING ACCESS TO TRAINING FOR ALL OHP WISHES TO EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE TO FAMILY SERVICE OF, UH, SUPPORT OF THIS PROGRAM IN THE FORM OF WRAPAROUND SERVICES AND TRAINING SPACE AT THE FAMILY SERVICE NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY, FAMILY SERVICE PROVIDES THE LIVING HERITAGE TRADES ACADEMY STUDENTS WITH OSHA TRAINING TOOLS AND OTHER RELEVANT INSTRUCTIONS SUCH AS CONSTRUCTION MATH AS AN AS A READY TO WORK APPROVED TRAINER. 
          THE LIVING HERITAGE TRADES ACADEMY OFFERS PARTICIPANTS ONE WEEK OF INSTRUCTION ON WOOD WINDOW RESTORATION, TRADITIONAL HOUSE CARPENTRY AND DECONSTRUCTION, FOLLOWED BY PLACEMENT WITH A REPUTABLE, REPUTABLE CONTRACTOR OR CONSULTANT 
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FOR AN EIGHT WEEK PAID APPRENTICESHIP. 
          UM, SO WE JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT CONTRIBUTION TO PRESERVATION IN SAN ANTONIO AND THANK THEM FOR BEING SUCH A GOOD PARTNER. 
          UM, SO EDWARD, IF YOU CAN PLAY VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM FOUR. 
          YES. 
          HELLO? UM, UM, 1 2 7 CALLAHAN AVENUE BOYER IS MY NAME, UM, CALLING CONCERNING, UM, THE DEMOLITION HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 1 2 0 CALLAHAN AVENUE. 
          AND, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE A CASE NUMBER OR ANYTHING, BUT IT DOES SAY THAT, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A HEARING SET ON AUGUST THE 21ST, 2024 AT 3:00 PM THE BOARDROOM AT 1901. 
          UM, I'M JUST CALLING TO GIVE YOU MY CONCERN BECAUSE I AM WITHIN THE 200 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY. 
          MY CONCERN IS RODENTS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA HELP FROM THE RODENTS NOT COMING TO MY HOME. 
          UM, AND ANOTHER THING IS MAKING SURE THAT ANY METALS OR ANY NAILS, UH, DEBRIS ON THE STREET IS KEPT CLEAN. 
          MY CONCERN IS VEHICLES, UM, YOU KNOW, MY TIRES, UM, I DON'T WANT THEM TO, I NEED TO REPLACE MY TIRES IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF NAILS REGARDING MY VEHICLE, BUT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE STRUCTURES ON THE SIDEWALKS ARE CLEANED. 
          I DO NOT WANNA FALL. 
          I DO WALK MY DOGS. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IF, UM, THE RODENTS ARE REALLY, REALLY PRIORITY AND A CONCERN, UM, REGARDING THEM COMING TO MY HOME AND IF Y'ALL ARE GONNA PREVENT ANY KIND OF PEST CONTROL FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BYE-BYE. 
          HI, MY NAME IS MELISSA CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE LA ROAD ASSOCIATION REGARDING CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR TODAY, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 95 1 20 CALLAHAN AVENUE. 
          THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION HAS REVIEWED THIS CASE AND REQUEST THAT HDR INSIST EVERY REASONABLE EFFORT BE REQUIRED OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO CONSTRUCT A HOME SIMILAR AND SYMPATHETIC TO MASS SCALE AND CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOME LOST TO UNPERMITTED WORK OF THE PREVIOUS OWNER. 
          IF ANY ELEMENTS OF THE HOME WERE RETAINED, WE'D LIKE TO SEE REASONABLE EFFORT MADE TO INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE NEW BUILD. 
          UH, WE RECOGNIZE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEMOLITION OF THE HOME REST CHIEFLY WITH THE FORMER OWNER AND THE UNFORESEEABLE CIRCUMSTANCES OF LENGTHY PROBATE FOLLOWING HIS DEATH. 
          UH, AND WE SUPPORT THE OBLIGATION OF THE NEXT HOMEOWNER TO RECONSTRUCT OR COMPLETE RESTORATION TO MEET THE CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVED COA, WE SUPPORT ANY NECESSARY DEMOLITION SO THAT THIS OBLIGATION CAN BE MET. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          MY NAME IS LISA LYNN, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1 2 8 ADAMS. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 2 4 7. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE REVISED DESIGN APPLICATIONS. 
          ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS FROM THE HDRC HAVE BEEN MET. 
          THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE STATED IN THE GUIDELINES FOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS. 
          ITEM SEVEN POINT B TWO IS NOT ENCLOSED. 
          SIDE AND REAR PORCHES HAS CLEARLY BEEN IGNORED. 
          WE DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND IMPLORE THAT THE HDRC DENIED THE APPLICATION. 
          THE STRUCTURE IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF THE CLEAN AND STYLE HOME. 
          THE SECOND FLOOR PORCH IS CLEARLY VISIBLE FROM, FOR KEY STREET AND IS A SIGNIFICANT FEATURE OF THIS HISTORIC HOME. 
          THE PROPOSED INFILL WOULD RESULT IN A LOSS OF THE HISTORIC DETAILS INCLUDING THE PORCH BALUSTRADE, AND WILL NO LONGER BE VISUALLY INTERPRETED AS A PORCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND COMMISSIONERS, THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THERE ARE, UH, LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS ON YOUR DESKTOPS, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE WHICH CASES HAVE LETTERS ON YOUR SCREEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO ANY COMMISSIONS? I SHOULD PULLED ANY ITEMS. HEARING NONE. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          CHIMING IN LATE. 
          I'D LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER ITEMS? NOT MAY I HAVE A BALANCE? I MEAN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE AGENDA PLEASE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS EXCEPT NUMBER SEVEN, UH, WHICH IS PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED. 
          AND PROPERLY SECONDS. 
          UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          MAZUA? AYE. 
          EVA AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
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MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM, I WILL, UH, PULL UP ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS 1 28 ADAMS THE APPLICANT, UH, NATHAN MANFRED IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY. 
          NATE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          LET ME, UH, GO AHEAD. 
          I'M A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF MYSELF. 
          I'M GONNA CALL OUT THE ITEMS THAT WERE APPROVED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1314 EAST COMMERCE 7 0 2 SAN PEDRO, SEVEN 11 EAST MISSILE TOW ONE 20, CALLAHAN 4 0 1 KING WILLIAM 1 22 WEST AGARITA 1108 SOUTH FLORES, TWO 10 WEST LINWOOD 4 0 1 KENDALL, 2 26 ARMY, AND 2 0 3 WEST GRAMERCY. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DON'T NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          UH, STAFF WILL PREPARE YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND SEND THAT TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SORRY NATE. 
          YEAH, NO PROBLEM. 
          [7. Address/Description:    128 ADAMS ST
HDRC Case No.:    2024-287
Historic District Name:    King William
Applicant:    Nathan Manfred/French and Michigan
Request:    Second-story rear porch enclosure
City Council Dist.:    1
 ]
UM, I'M RETURNING HERE TO THE, UH, HGRC. 
          UH, AFTER MY PRESENTATION LAST MONTH WHERE WE DISCUSSED ENCLOSURE OF THE REAR PORCH, UM, THAT FACES FOUR KEY OFF OF FROM THE 1 28 ADAMS PROPERTY. 
          UM, WE DISCUSSED SOME POTENTIAL CHANGES WITH THE, UH, UH, HDRC COMMISSIONERS IN OUR LAST MEETING. 
          AND I WENT AHEAD, SPOKE TO THE CLIENTS AND WE PROCEEDED WITH THOSE CHANGES. 
          UM, SOME OF THOSE BEING CHANGING THE SIDING TO REPRESENT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE BALESTRA, EXPOSING THE EXISTING COLUMNS SO THAT THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE ADDING LOOK MORE LIKE INFILL BETWEEN THE COLUMNS. 
          UM, THAT MEANT WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS A LITTLE BIT AND THAT WAY IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO RETURN THIS PROJECT TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE EASILY DONE. 
          BUT WE'RE STILL REFLECTING THE ORIGINAL STATE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THIS ARCHITECTURE IN THE CURRENT REVISED DESIGN. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SNO? YEAH. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, UH, THE REASON I PULLED IT IS REALLY TWOFOLD. 
          ONE IS THE COMMENTS BY THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR CONCERN WITH THE ADHERENCE TO THE GUIDELINES, UM, ESPECIALLY ON A REAR PORCH THAT IS SO CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND I KNOW WHEN WE LAST DISCUSSED THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, WE WERE NOT ALL ON BOARD WITH IT EITHER, SO I WANTED TO PRESENT THAT. 
          UM, AND THE OTHER IS THAT ANOTHER DISCUSSION THAT COULD FOLLOW AFTER THAT FIRST DISCUSSION IS JUST SOME CONCERNS I HAVE ABOUT THE DETAILS THAT YOU'RE USING TO ACHIEVE THAT ENCLOSED PORCH. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, UH, INVITE, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMENT ON THIS, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE SEE WHAT THE PROPOSED IN PHIL WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          MR. CHAIR, GO AHEAD. 
          I THINK THAT GOES TO ME. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          SO I WAS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO WASN'T IN FAVOR AND VOTED AGAINST THIS THE LAST TIME. 
          UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE REASONS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE LETTER FROM THE ASSOCIATION. 
          THIS IS A VERY CLASSIC QUEEN AND HOME THAT IS EXTREMELY WALKABLE IN A BEAUTIFUL WAY, UM, AND VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          AND I DO THINK GOING BACK TO THESE GUIDELINES, THERE IS NO GOVERNANCE. 
          WHILE IT MAY POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL FORM, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO ENSURE THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          AND WITH THIS BEING SUCH, AND I, I WOULD PUT IT AS AN ICONIC KIND OF WALK AND VIEW AND, UM, PIECE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I, I PERSONALLY CAN'T SUPPORT THIS ONE AND I WOULD VOTE THE SAME WAY AGAIN. 
          UM, JUST KEEPING INTO, I GUESS THE, THE SPIRIT OF NOT ENCLOSING SIDE OR REAR PORCHES AS WE SEE IN THE GUIDELINES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND IN RESPONSE TO THAT, ESPECIALLY HEARING, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COMING FORWARD, AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM. 
          COMMISSIONER, PROFESSOR? YES. 
          UM, I SUPPORTED THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL LAST TIME WITH THE STIPULATIONS, UH, NOTING THAT, UM, IN, IN THE DETAILING FOR THE ENCLOSURE, UM, IT WAS EVIDENT THAT IT HAD BEEN AN OPEN PORCH WITH A, WITH A BASTER RAILING. 
          AND THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE IT COULD BE RETURNED TO ITS, UM, EXISTING, ORIGINAL, UH, STATE. 
          SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING, UH, UH, APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? 
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IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. 
          SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, THE ONLY, UM, THE ONLY DISCUSSION I HAVE SHOULD THIS, UM, SHOULD THIS MOTION PASS, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION WITH A STIPULATION TO INCREASE THE DISTANCE OF THE FACE OF THE INFILL FROM THE FACE OF THE COLUMN BY THREE INCHES. 
          AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE ONE AND A HALF INCH SETBACK DOES NOT CREATE SIGNIFICANT, A SIGNIFICANT OR NOTABLE SHADOW LINE, UM, EXPRESSION OF AN INFILLED PORCH. 
          SHOULDN'T YOU, MR. CHAIR? SHOULDN'T SHE JUST MODIFY, MODIFY HER CURING MOTION TO THAT? CAN I MODIFY? YES, THE MOTION. 
          PLEASE DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THE SECOND, UH, CONCURS, SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROBABLY SECOND, UM, WITH THE CHANGES. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANYONE? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE DEFINE SIGNIFICANT OR OH THREE INCHES? OH, AN ADDITIONAL THREE INCHES? THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL THREE. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM? . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO NAY SINO NAY MOOKA AYE. 
          GUEVARA AYE. 
          GROUP A NAY CERVANTES, NO. 
          HOLLAND NAY FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS AYE. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I MOVE THE MOTION. 
          PLEASE GO. 
          MOTION TO DENY. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY I THINK I STAND BY HOW ALSO I WAS ABOUT THE CASE FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY STAFF, BUT I MEAN WE HAVE BEEN ALWAYS THAT WE DON NOT ENCLOSE VISIBLE PORCHES, FRONT PORCHES AND EXTERIORS. 
          UH, SORRY. 
          AND THE REAR ONES COULD BE, YOU KNOW, LESS VISIBLE. 
          BUT THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT'S VERY VISIBLE FROM BOTH SIDES. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF UNFORTUNATE, BUT I THINK THAT'S PRIMARILY THE REASON WHY I STILL WILL NOT SUPPORT THE DESIGN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          S AYE. 
          AYE. 
          RA AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, MOVING 
          [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
ON TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. 
          THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS ITEM NUMBER 13 4 0 5 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 2 52. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AT 4 0 5 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING, ONE SET OF INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS TO BE INSTALLED WITHIN THE EXISTING SIGNAGE BAND ON THE WEST. 
          THAT IS THE NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S FACADE. 
          THE PROPOSED SIGN IS TO FEATURE AN OVERALL WIDTH OF EIGHT FEET, ONE INCH, AND AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF ONE FOOT SIX INCHES. 
          FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 12 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE PROPOSED CHANNEL LETTERS WILL BE MOUNTED FLUSH TO THE BUILDING FACADE. 
          THEN ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, TWO DOUBLE-SIDED BLADE SIGNS TO BE LOCATED NEAR THE BUILDING CORNER. 
          ONE SIDE WILL BE INSTALLED ON THE NORTH ST MARY'S FACADE AND ONE WILL BE INSTALLED ON THE EAST TRAVIS FACADE. 
          THE PROPOSED SIGNS WILL EACH FEATURE AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET TO FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF FIVE FEET ONE INCH, AND AN OVERALL WIDTH OF ONE FOOT SIX INCHES FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF 15.26 SQUARE FEET EACH COUNTING BOTH SIDES. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE PROPOSED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN FEATURE EITHER INDIRECT LIGHTING OR DIM INTERNAL LIGHTING IF INTERNAL ILLUMINATION IS USED. 
          TWO, THE PROPOSED BLADE SIGNS FEATURE METAL SIGN FACES WITH ROUTED FACES TO RESULT IN ONLY TEXTS BEING ILLUMINATED. 
          AND THREE, THAT ALL FEATURE, THAT ALL SIGNS FEATURE LIGHTING THAT DOES NOT RESULT IN A GLARE. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT, UH, JACKIE CLEMONS IS HERE OR JD KELLER ARE HERE IN PERSON OR IF THEY'RE ON VIRTUALLY. 
          I DON'T SEE THEM ON VIRTUALLY. 
          UM, I HAVE A CHRISTINA AND A WADE, UM, BUT LET ME SEE IF THEY'RE ON OTHER CASES. 
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SO CHRISTINA, DO YOU WORK FOR KELLER SIGNS? I'M ACTUALLY, I DO NOT. 
          I'M, I'M DEALING WITH THE APPLICANT NOW. 
          IF WE COULD MOVE TO ANOTHER CASE, THEY'LL JOIN SHORTLY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, WE'LL JUST MOVE THIS CASE TO THE END OF THE AGENDA AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT CASE PLEASE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14 HDRC CASE 2024 DASH 2 66 3 AND FOUR WEST SUMMIT AVENUE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO MODIFY A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED HDRC DESIGN. 
          WITHIN THE REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A FOLLOWING MOD FOLLOWING TO MODIFY THE HEIGHT OF AN EIGHT INCH CURB MODIFICATION TO AN 18 INCH ENTERTAINING WALL. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN 18 INCH ENTERTAINING WALL BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH C. 
          IF DENIED, THE WALL MAY BE REDUCED TO EIGHT INCHES IN HEIGHT AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. 
          AND THE PROPERTY OWNER GRANT GARBO IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          GRANT GARBO, 3 1 4 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE. 
          CAN I USE THE MOUSE OR ARE YOU GONNA JUST MOVE THE NEXT? OKAY. 
          UH, SO I WAS HERE, I DON'T KNOW, A FEW MONTHS AGO. 
          WELL ACTUALLY I WASN'T HERE. 
          I PRESENTED REMOTELY. 
          UM, CAN YOU START, START? OKAY. 
          UH, SO FIRST OFF, I'M SORRY. 
          THIS WAS A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. 
          UM, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE EIGHT INCHES. 
          OUR CONTRACTOR WENT ABOVE EIGHT INCHES OBVIOUSLY 'CAUSE IT'S 18 INCHES NOW. 
          THERE WERE A LOT OF ASPECTS OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT I WAS UNAWARE OF UNTIL MADE AWARE OF. 
          AND THEN WE HALTED CONSTRUCTION AND NOW APPLIED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY HERE. 
          SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN, UH, JUSTIFY THE REASONING BEHIND WHY THE WALL WAS ELEVATED BEYOND THE EIGHT INCHES. 
          SO NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF THE TIMELINE. 
          SO FEBRUARY IS WHEN I SUBMITTED THE ORIGINAL WORK FOR MY CONTRACTOR FOR 30 INCHES. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE NEEDED. 
          UH, WE MET WITH MONTEVISTA AT THAT POINT AND SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION FOR 30 INCHES TO THIS C COMMITTEE. 
          IT WAS DENIED SO I ADJUSTED IT TO 15 INCHES IN HOPES THAT THAT WOULD APPEASE THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. 
          WE HAD OUR COMMITTEE MEETING ON THE THIRD, IT WAS NOT APPROVED AT 15 INCHES AND UH, IT WAS APPROVED AT EIGHT INCHES. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT ALL HAPPENED. 
          THE WORK WAS STARTED ON THAT WEEK, JUNE 23RD, WHERE THEY HAD TO EXCAVATE, POUR THE FOUNDATION, ET CETERA. 
          AND AS OF THE JULY 3RD, THAT'S WHEN IT WAS GETTING HIGHER AND ABOUT EIGHT INCHES. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY THE HOMEOWNERS, MYSELF AND MY WIFE, WE LEFT TOWN FOR THAT WEEKEND. 
          THAT WAS JULY 4TH WEEKEND. 
          SO WE WERE GONE FOR THE WHOLE WEEKEND. 
          WE DIDN'T COME BACK UNTIL SUNDAY EARLY MORNING. 
          AND AT THAT POINT WE DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AT THE WALL. 
          I WENT TO WORK ON MONDAY AND I GOT CONTACTED BY CLAUDIA HERE SAYING, HEY, THERE'S BEEN COMPLAINTS THAT YOUR WALL IS HIGHER THAN EIGHT INCHES. 
          SO I CONTACTED MY CONTRACTOR, I ASKED, IS THAT THE CASE? AND HE DID CONFIRM IT'S 18 INCHES, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          AND HE SAID THAT HE TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF BECAUSE THE DIRT KEPT POURING INTO THE SIDEWALK TO GO HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS ALLOWED. 
          SO WITH THAT NEW INFORMATION, UH, WE STOPPED THE WORK, LIKE I SAID, HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED. 
          UH, SUBMITTED NEW APPLICATION HDRC, MET WITH MONTE VISTA, MET WITH COUNCILWOMAN, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE BEST WAY TO JUSTIFY THIS ERROR THAT OCCURRED. 
          AND NOW I'M HERE TODAY. 
          SO THAT'S JUST A TIMELINE SO YOU GUYS CAN BE AWARE. 
          UH, SO JUST IN SUMMARY, UNFORTUNATELY THIS OCCURRED BECAUSE WE WERE NOT PRESENT AND THE CONTRACTOR REALIZED THAT THE EIGHT INCHES WAS NOT ADEQUATE TO RETAIN THE SOIL. 
          UH, YEP. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA GIVE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT I KIND OF WENT OVER LAST TIME. 
          SO I'LL GO QUICK. 
          THIS IS THE HOME, UH, BACK IN THE DAY 2017. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS IS THE HOME 2024. 
          AND IT'S BEEN ROUGH. 
          THE CLIMATE'S BEEN REALLY ROUGH LATELY IN TERMS OF DROUGHT, IN TERMS OF FREEZES. 
          WE HAVE TRIED TO REPLANT THAT. 
          JASMINE, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN. 
          IT IS JUST NOT SURVIVING. 
          UH, WE'VE TRIED TO REPLANT IT 
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MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND IT IS JUST TOO EXPOSED TO ALL OF THE ELEMENTS. 
          SUN, DROUGHT, FREEZE, ET CETERA. 
          WE TRY TO COVER IT DURING FREEZES. 
          WE HAVE JUST BEEN COMPLETELY UNSUCCESSFUL AND THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO PROTECT THE FRONT YARD WITH SOMETHING FOR BETTER MOISTURE RETENTION AS WELL AS AVOIDING SOIL EROSION. 
          UH, SO THIS IS A SIDE PICTURE. 
          I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THE HEIGHT OF THAT WALL THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT WALL IS ABOVE 30 INCHES, WHICH IS WHY I INITIALLY SUBMITTED 30 INCHES. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IS REQUIRED TO RETAIN THAT LEVEL, THAT ELEVATION OF SOIL. 
          SO, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS DECIMATED. 
          IT'S NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE REGARDLESS OF OUR EFFORTS. 
          UH, SO THIS IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER. 
          I KIND OF MADE SOME AMATEUR PICTURES THERE ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE LITERALLY RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AND YOU CAN SEE THEIR VE EVERYWHERE IN MONTE VISTA. 
          THE VEGETATION IS STRUGGLING. 
          IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAINTAIN VEGETATION. 
          IT'S REALLY HARD TO GROW VEGETATION. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GETTING RID OF VEGETATION, WE'RE REPLACING IT WITH ROSES, WHICH WAS APPROVED AND WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN LATER PICTURES. 
          BUT THIS, THIS TYPE OF VEGETATION, THIS GROUND COVER, THIS GROUND COVERAGE IS NOT DESIGNED TO HANDLE SAN ANTONIO CLIMATE. 
          UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF THE GUIDELINES. 
          SO IT DOES SAY AVOID, IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT IT. 
          AVOID INSTALLING A FENCE OR A WALL. 
          UM, IT IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPROPRIATENESS IS DEPENDENT UPON THE CONDITIONS OF THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, IE MONTE VISTA. 
          AND IT IS MAXIMUM OF FOUR FEET, WHICH WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO AND SHOULD NOT, UH, EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE SLOPE, WHICH WE ARE NOT REQUESTING EITHER. 
          AND THEN TO USE APPROPRIATE MATERIALS, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DOING. 
          SO THIS IS A GUIDE SAN ANTONIO'S GUIDE TO HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THIS IS MONTE VISTA. 
          IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS BRICK RETAINING WALLS IN MONTE VISTA ARE PRESENT. 
          IT SAYS THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES KNITTED TOGETHER BY A RICH ARRAY OF LANDSCAPE, STRATEGIC STREET SCAPE FEATURES SUCH AS UNIFORM ROWS OF TREES, PARK SIDEWALKS, WALLS, AND FENCES. 
          SO THIS IS NOT OUTSIDE THE REALM OF A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD OF MONTE VISTA. 
          THIS IS DEFINITELY WITHIN THE REALM OF MONTE VISTA. 
          UH, FURTHER, UH, TEXT AND GUIDELINES FROM SAN ANTONIO'S GUIDELINES TALKING ABOUT THIS IS MONTE VISTA AS WELL. 
          UH, RESIDENTIAL FRONT YARDS ALONG SOME STREETS, LAWNS HAVE GENTLY SLOPED BERMS OR BRICK STONE OR CONCRETE RETAINING WALLS. 
          SO THAT'S ALL ALONG SOME STREETS LAWNS, FRONT LAWNS HAVE THESE TYPES OF WALLS. 
          SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE APPROVED AT THIS POINT. 
          SO THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. 
          THREE 11 WEST SUMMIT. 
          THE, UH, I GUESS THAT'S THE WEST CORNER, THAT TALLEST CORNER THAT IS AT 26 INCHES. 
          AND IT DOES SLOPE 'CAUSE OF THE SLOPE OF THE SIDEWALK, BUT AT THE HIGHEST IT'S AT 26 INCHES AND THERE IS STILL A RETAINED SLOPE THERE AS WELL, UH, FOR THE BERM. 
          UH, I KNOW LAST TIME WHEN I PRESENTED THE COMMENT WAS THAT WAS THE ONLY EXAMPLE. 
          AND WHILE THESE ARE NOT COMPLETE WALLS ACROSS THE FRONT YARD, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS IS ON MY BLOCK WHERE THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL SMALL WALLS AT 3, 4, 8. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE CONCRETE RETAINING WALL THERE. 
          AND THEN AT 3, 2, 7, I MEAN THAT ONE'S REALLY TINY, BUT IT'S STILL A WALL THAT EXISTS ON THE FRONT LAWN ON MY BLOCK. 
          UH, THIS IS ANOTHER HOME. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE MAP. 
          THE BLUE CIRCLE IS MY HOME. 
          THE RED.IS THE HOME THAT I'M POINTING OUT. 
          IT'S ADDRESS IS TECH, IT IS ON MY BLOCK. 
          THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS TECHNICALLY BELL MAP. 
          AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE HEIGHT OF THE RETAINING WALL IN THAT FIRST PICTURE THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THESE TYPES OF ELEVATION CHANGES. 
          AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM PICTURE YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THAT IS A HUGE FRONT WALL THAT JUST SITS RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT'S THE HOUSE ITSELF IS ON MY BLOCK. 
          SO THAT'S WITHIN THE REALM OF THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THIS IS A WALL THAT WAS JUST CONSTRUCTED 2024, BRAND NEW RETAINING WALL THAT DOESN'T LOOK VERY HISTORIC TO ME AND YET WAS APPROVED AND WAS COMPLETED. 
          AND THERE IT IS. 
          THAT'S A BLOCK AND A HALF FROM MY HOME. 
          UH, THIS IS JUST TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WALLS ARE DEFINITELY A FEATURE OF MONTE VISTA. 
          THESE ARE ALL THE WALLS THAT ARE LIKE A FOOT OR GREATER ACROSS THE FRONT YARD. 
          THIS IS NOT COUNTING THOSE TINY ONES I SHOWED YOU. 
          THESE ARE WALLS THAT EXIST ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONT YARD IN MONTE VISTA AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO 164 WALLS. 
          I ALSO INCLUDED HOW MANY CURBS ARE IN MONTE VISTA AND THERE'S ONLY 32 CURBS. 
          SO APPROVING A CURB IS ACTUALLY LESS HISTORIC THAN A WALL. 
          THAT'S JUST FOR COMPARISON. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S 164 WALLS, THERE'S 32 CURBS. 
          YOU ALLOWED ME AN EIGHT INCH CURB THAT'S ACTUALLY LESS HISTORIC THAN A WALL. 
          SO THIS IS JUST EXAMPLES. 
          I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS A BELABOR THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS ALL OVER MONTE VISTA AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WANNA FOCUS MORE ON WHAT'S WITHIN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS IS THE SLOPE, JUST SO WE CAN EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED IN MY ABSENCE. 
          SO IT'S 33 INCHES IS WHAT WAS, UM, IS WHAT THE SLOPE ENTAILS. 
          AND 28 INCHES HEIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S A 40 DEGREE ANGLE. 
          OKAY, NEXT 
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SLIDE. 
          SO THIS IS THE EIGHT INCH WALL THAT WAS, UH, SUGGESTED. 
          SO AT EIGHT INCHES, THEY HAD TO DIG 13 INCHES INTO THE SLOPE IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE WALL AND THE FOUNDATION APPROPRIATELY. 
          AND ONCE YOU GOT 13 INCHES INTO THE SLOPE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT WOULD NO LONGER RETAIN THE SOIL THAT IS PRESENT IN THAT SITE. 
          SO THIS OCCURRED WHILE I WAS GONE THAT THE CONSTRUCTOR CONTRACTOR, SORRY, DECIDED TO NEXT SLIDE, GO UP TO 18 INCHES, WHICH IS MORE CONDUCIVE TOWARDS MAINTAINING THE SOIL EROSION FROM OCCURRING. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THIS IS AGAIN A BLOCK AND A HALF AWAY, 2 1 2 WEST SUMMIT. 
          YOU CAN SEE HOW THE SIDEWALK IS SUPPOSED TO BE AS WIDE IT IS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S NOT BEING RETAINED, AS WE HAVE LOST SIGNIFICANT VEGETATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU CAN SEE NOW THAT SIDEWALK AT ITS THINNEST. 
          IT'S ABOUT HALF THE SIZE. 
          DEFINITELY NOT A DA COMPLIANT, DEFINITELY TRIPPING HAZARD. 
          DEFINITELY NOT SAFE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY RETAINING THE SOIL. 
          SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE COMPLETED WALL CLOSEUP. 
          SO 18 INCHES, IT'S INCOMPLETE. 
          THAT LAST, UH, HORIZONTAL BRICKS WILL BE THE FINAL STAGE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A RETAINING THE SLOPE. 
          SO THERE STILL IS A SIGNIFICANT SLOPE THERE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES OF MONTE VISTA WITH A BERM, AS WELL AS MAINTAINING HISTORIC GUIDELINES OF USING HISTORIC MATERIALS. 
          AS THESE BRICKS ARE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, THEY CAME FROM OUR HOME. 
          WHEN WE RENOVATED THE INTERIOR, WE HAD TO DEMOLISH AN INTERIOR WALL. 
          ALL THESE BRICKS CAME FROM THE HOME AND THEY WERE SAVED FOR THIS PURPOSE. 
          I WAS WAITING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS, TO USE OUR HISTORIC MATERIAL THAT CAME FROM OUR HISTORIC HOME TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC QUALITY OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO THIS IS A FARTHER PICTURE. 
          UM, I MEAN THE WALL, BECAUSE IT'S MADE OUT OF OLD MATERIAL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE. 
          I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT GRANDFATHERED IN OR ANYTHING, BUT IT DOES HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF ALWAYS HAVING BEEN PRESENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, THESE ARE LETTERS, THESE ARE SIGNATURES OF SUPPORT THAT, UH, MY WIFE HAS GONE AROUND THE COMMUNITY OBTAINING FROM OUR DIRECT NEIGHBORS ON AGARITA SUMMIT KINGS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, I THINK WE HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX LETTERS OF SUPPORT. 
          ALL OF OUR, UH, IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR, NEXT DOOR ACROSS THE STREET HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS OF SUPPORT OF THIS WALL, AS WELL AS OTHER LETTERS WITHIN OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. 
          SOME OF WHICH HAVE WALLS, SOME DON'T. 
          BUT THERE HAS BEEN NO DIRECT OPPOSITION TO THIS WALL. 
          AND THE MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL THE NEIGHBORS I'VE SPOKEN TO ALL SUPPORT IT AND THINK IT'S A LOVELY FEATURE. 
          THEY HAVE NO OPPOSITION TO IT. 
          SO AGAIN, PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THESE MISTAKES. 
          I REALLY WISH I HAD HAD BETTER OVERSIGHT TO BEGIN WITH. 
          I MADE THE MISTAKE OF NOT BEING THERE FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE WALL. 
          I MADE THE MISTAKE OF NOT KNOWING ONE, THAT WE COULD EVEN DO A WAIVER. 
          'CAUSE IF I HAD KNOWN THAT THE WALL WASN'T APPROPRIATE, I COULD HAVE DONE A WAIVER. 
          I KNEW NONE OF THOSE FACTS. 
          AND I'M SIMPLY TRYING TO PROTECT OUR GARDEN WHILE MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC FEATURES OF THIS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I KNOW MONTE VISTA WORKS SO HARD TO OBTAIN AND MAINTAIN. 
          SO THAT'S MY PRESENTATION AND I'M REALLY ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN ALLOWING THIS WALL TO REMAIN AS IT IS WELL, TO ALLOW US TO FINISH IT AS IT IS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A VOICEMAIL PLEASE. 
          HI, ERIC BRA. 
          I LIVE AT THREE 30 WEST SUMMIT. 
          I'M CALLING IN REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 2024 DASH 3 1 4 5 9. 
          UM, MY NEIGHBOR'S, UH, TWO DOORS DOWN FROM ME ARE PROPOSING THE BUILDING OF AN A WALL, UH, AN 18 UH, INCH WALL, UM, IN THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. 
          UM, THIS IS DONE TO KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES OF THE WEATHER AND THE CLIMATE CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING THEIR YARD. 
          THEY'RE VERY DEDICATED TO MAINTAINING, UH, A REALLY BEAUTIFUL YARD AND GARDEN THAT IS GREAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE IT'S, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. 
          THEY'RE USING CENTURY OLD BRICKS FROM 1922, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THE LEGACY AND HERITAGE, UH, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THIS, IT DOES NOT DIMINISH THE LOOK, ACTUALLY, I THINK IT LOOKS FANTASTIC. 
          IT'S REALLY NICE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT DOES NOT, UH, RESTRICT OR TAKE AWAY FROM THE OVERALL BEAUTY OF THE HOME AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO WE BELIEVE THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, HISTORIC ASPECTS OF MONTE VISTA, AN AREA THAT WE MOVED INTO FROM CHICAGO, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR, UM, HISTORIC ASPECTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND WE LOVE MAINTAINING THAT AND RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT AND ESSENTIAL. 
          AND WE BELIEVE THAT THESE UM, UH, CHANGES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR TO THE HOME. 
          UH, THESE ADDITIONS TO THE HOME ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CERTAINLY RESPECTED BY OUR NEIGHBORS AND, AND, UH, SEEN AS A, A 
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POSITIVE IMPACT THAT WE'LL BOTH, UH, ADD TO THE HOME AND ALSO, UM, HELP, UH, MAINTAIN THE YARD AND, UH, HAVE A BEAUTIFUL GARDEN THAT THEY ARE, ARE VERY COMMITTED TO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS LAURA CATHERINE NOELL AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 1 4 5 9. 
          I LIVE AT 3 2 2 WEST SUMMIT AND, UM, WANTED TO CALL AND LEAVE A MESSAGE IN SUPPORT OF OUR NEIGHBORS RETAINING WALL. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY RECEIVED INITIAL APPROVAL FOR A CERTAIN HEIGHT, BUT THAT HEIGHT WAS NOT, UM, TALL ENOUGH GIVEN THE FLOAT ON THEIR YARD. 
          AND SO THEY HAD TO GO HIGHER ON A FRONT RETAINING WALL THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN AT A DIFFERENT HEIGHT. 
          AND SO THERE WERE SPILLAGE ISSUES AND THE MASONS THAT WE'RE DOING, UM, A PRETTY VERY DETAILED JOB, UM, ON BUILDING THE RETAINING WALL OVER THERE. 
          SO WE INITIALLY WROTE A LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THE RETENTION WALL AND ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS THAT THOSE COULD BE REREAD TO THE COMMITTEE AS NEEDED AND WANTED TO LEAVE A VOICEMAIL IN SUPPORT OF THE TALLER RETENTION LAW TO ALLOW THEM TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NUMBER IS 2 1 4 4 5 7. 
          THOSE ARE ALL THE VOICEMAILS. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          BEFORE I BRING ASK COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE VOICEMAILS? UH, NO, BUT CLAUDIA DID POINT OUT THAT I HAVE NINE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, NOT SIX AS I STATED. 
          SO THERE'S NINE LETTERS IN THE FOLDER AND THERE IS ONE COMMENT FROM THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH, CAN YOU, CAN YOU STATE THE, UH, NAME OF THE CONTRACTOR THAT DID THE WORK FOR YOU? UH, CHANO OR THE COMPANY? HE, HE'S, HE'S JUST AN INDIVIDUAL. 
          CHAO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT'S ALL. 
          I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW HIS FULL NAME, SORRY. 
          GOT IT. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER RU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, IS IT 18 INCHES ALL ACROSS? IS IT MORE IN ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER? IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT? I CAN TELL YOU THAT AT THE EDGES IT'S 18 INCHES. 
          I DID NOT MEASURE EACH INDIVIDUAL SITE, BUT AT THE VERY CORNERS THEY'RE 18 INCHES AND THERE MIGHT BE SLIGHT, IT'S LIKE THE AMOUNT, SAME AMOUNT OF LAYERS OF GRAY, IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF BRICKS, BUT THE MORTAR MIGHT CHANGE SLIGHTLY. 
          THE CONTRACTOR SAID THAT THE MORTAR WAS ADJUSTED TO COMPENSATE FOR THE SLOPE. 
          SO IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LESS IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          IT MIGHT BE, YEAH. 
          AND THEN YOU SAID YOU MET WITH MONTE VISTA AND THE LETTER IS, UH, AND NOT SUPPORTING YOUR REQUEST OR THEY'RE STILL, UM, SUPPORTING THE EIGHT INCHES. 
          WHAT WAS THE, UM, DOES ANYBODY KNOW? WHAT DID YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? UM, THEY ARE VERY STICKLERS TOWARDS THEIR NO FRONT WALLS. 
          AND SO IT WASN'T MUCH OF A DISCUSSION. 
          IT WAS MORE OF WE'LL NEVER SUP. 
          WE, THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE EVER SUPPORTING A FRONT WALL MORE FOR PRECEDENTS REASONS THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT DOCUMENTED THAT THEY GAVE SUPPORT TO A FRONT WALL REGARDLESS OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT I TRIED TO PRESENT TO THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL DO A MOTION MR. CHAIR THERE NO QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR IT BEFORE YOU DO THAT. 
          UM, SO ONE THING THAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU KNEW THAT YOU WERE APPROVED FOR EIGHT INCHES, UM, DUE TO, YOU KNOW, LACK OF OVERSIGHT 'CAUSE YOU WERE AWAY, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONTRACTOR DID 18 INCHES. 
          SO, BUT THEN ANOTHER THING THAT YOU STATED WAS THAT YOU'RE HERE TRYING TO JUSTIFY WHY THE 18 INCHES IS NECESSARY, BUT WHY NOT SPEAK TO YOUR CONTRACTOR AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I CONTACTED YOU FOR EIGHT INCHES, TOLD YOU THIS IS WHAT WE NEEDED. 
          YOU WENT OVER THAT, WHY DON'T YOU JUST HAVE 'EM CORRECTED? WELL, CORRECTING IT BACK TO EIGHT INCHES STILL WOULDN'T ADDRESS THE SOIL RETENTION ISSUE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MY SPECIFIC QUESTION TO YOU IS THAT KNOWING WHAT YOU WERE APPROVED FOR, UM, AND YOU KNEW THAT YOUR CONTRACTOR WENT 10 INCHES ABOVE THAT, WHY NOT CONTACT YOUR CONTRACTOR AND SAID, HEY, I UNDERSTAND YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU TOOK IT UPON YOURSELF TO DO THIS. 
          HOWEVER, THIS IS WHAT I WAS APPROVED FOR. 
          SO IS DID YOU GO THERE ROUTE OR YOU TO SAY, OH, OKAY, IT'S 18 INCHES SO WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT. 
          WELL I FELT LIKE TO REDUCE IT TO EIGHT INCHES IS GONNA END UP DAMAGING THAT EIGHT INCHES. 
          AND SO THE WHOLE THING IS GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE AND I'M GONNA RUN OUTTA BRICK DO. 
          SO TO REMOVE THE 10 INCHES IS GONNA REQUIRE DESTRUCTION, RIGHT. 
          OR DEMOLITION. 
          AND I DON'T THINK, I DID ASK HIM HOW, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO REMOVE THAT 10 INCHES? AND HE SAID THAT HE, THESE ARE HIS WORDS. 
          HE SAID, I BUILT IT REALLY STRONG 'CAUSE I WANTED TO LAST. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE BRICK IS GONNA GET DAMAGED IN THE REMOVAL OF THE 10 INCHES. 
          AND SO IF WE GO DOWN TO EIGHT INCHES AND SOME OF THAT BRICK IS DAMAGED AND THEN THE EXISTING OR THE TOP 10 INCHES IS DAMAGED, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ENOUGH BRICK TO REPAIR 
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THAT EIGHT INCHES. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND SO GIVEN THAT EIGHT INCHES ISN'T ADEQUATE FOR SOIL RETENTION AND I MAY BE UNABLE TO FIX IT WITH THE MATERIALS I HAVE, I THOUGHT THAT I WOULD TRY THIS ROUTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'LL TAKE YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          I'M GONNA MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION, PLEASE. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, AND THIS IS, I AM NOT A BIG FAN OF APPROVING SOMETHING ALSO THAT'S BEEN DONE WITHOUT, UH, PERMISSION ESPECIALLY. 
          UM, BUT FIRST OF ALL, UM, IT WASN'T THAT THERE WAS NO RETAINING WALLS ON THIS BLOCK, IT WAS MORE THAT THE LANDSCAPE OF ALL FRONT YARDS PREDOMINANTLY IN THIS BLOCK WAS SLOPE YARDS, RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT POINT. 
          I THINK STAFF HAD A RIGHT ON THAT. 
          NOW WE DID APPROVE AN EIGHT INCH ON THIS COMMISSION, SO THAT IS INTRODUCING WELL, UM, I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REALLY GIVEN A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION TODAY AND JUSTIFIED, AND I ALSO ARE SENTIMENTAL WHEN AN APPLICANT DOES GET ALL HIS NEIGHBORS INVOLVED. 
          AND IT SEEMS THAT EVERY ONE OF THEM AND THE LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND THE VOICEMAILS ARE SUPPORTIVE AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER OVER THERE. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, I DON'T LIKE THAT THIS HAPPENED AND WE'RE DOING THIS AFTER THE FACT. 
          THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE PRECEDENT. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY, MY NAY ON THIS. 
          BUT OVERALL, I LIKE WHAT YOU PRESENTED HERE. 
          IT MAKES SENSE, IT'S LOGICAL. 
          UH, HOW OLD ARE THE BRICKS? A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          WHERE'D YOU GET THOSE FROM? FROM THE HOME? WE DID DEMOL INTERNAL RENOVATIONS A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND THE INTERNAL WALL THAT WE REMOVED WAS ALL BRICK AND SO I HAD THEM SAVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS. 
          BUT AGAIN, UH, PROCEDURE PROCEDURALLY, I JUST, YOU KNOW, NO ONE LIKES APPROVING STUFF AFTER THE FACT, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED YOU TO MENTION THE CONTRACTOR'S NAME BECAUSE IT'S INCUMBENT UPON HOMEOWNERS IN THIS COMMISSION TO ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS. 
          IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO SEE THESE TYPES OF THINGS AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY HOW WE'D LIKE TO DO BUSINESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, YES. 
          UM, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THE CONTRACTOR DID NOT FOLLOW WHAT YOU HAD CONTRACTED HIM TO DO. 
          UH, INSTEAD OF STOPPING AND DISCUSSING WITH YOU AND, UH, POSSIBLY REACHING BACK OUT TO OHP, UH, FOR OTHER OPTIONS, HE PROCEEDED TO BUILD A WALL THAT, THAT IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, YES, THE EXISTING SLOPE, UH, IS FAIRLY STEEP, BUT, UM, IF THE SLOPE HAD BEEN CUT BACK AND MADE LESS STEEP, AN EIGHT INCH CURB WOULD'VE SUPPORTED IT. 
          SO I THINK THERE ARE OPTIONS. 
          UH, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN OPTIONS FOR, UH, WORKING WITH AN EIGHT INCH CURB. 
          SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND SIR, I, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, VICE CHAIR FETZER AS, AS WELL AS, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONER, UM, DDY AND DEAR JIMMY ANTE BECAUSE I, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOUR CONTRACTOR DID SOMETHING WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL AND, AND IT, IT WASN'T CORRECTED. 
          AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION APPROVED A CERTAIN ITEM, I MEAN A CERTAIN HEIGHT FOR A REASON, AND THEN, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED. 
          SO WE WOULD EXPECT THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE FOLLOWED AND LIKE I SAID, IF, IF THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T DO WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO, AND THEN IF YOU WOULD COME BACK HERE AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, THIS IS THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, THEN, YOU KNOW, THINGS, YOU KNOW, COULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY OR WORKED OUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. 
          BUT, UM, THIS, I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY BEHIND IT AND I BELIEVE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, THE WORK LOOKS GOOD. 
          OKAY? BUT IT IS, IT'S AGAINST WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES STATED. 
          I AM ALSO SYMPATHETIC TO, UH, WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER GROUP STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DID IT OR WHY IT LOOKS THERE AND IT LOOKS VERY BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT FACT. 
          BUT IT, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LEAVE THINGS IN THE QUANDARY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS, IS KIND OF SETS PRECEDENT, YOU KNOW, AND SO THIS, THIS ALSO WILL BE ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS. 
          SO, UM, UM, COMMISSIONER SUBPOENA. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE GREAT RESERVATIONS ABOUT SUPPORTING THE, THE MOTION FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE TRADITIONAL LAYOUT ON YOUR BLOCK, IT DOES HAVE WALLS, BUT THEY HAVE, FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S A BURNED, CURVED, VEGETATED EDGE TO THE 
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STREET. 
          AND IT'S THE CUTS, IT'S THE PERPENDICULAR CUTS OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THE SIDEWALK, THE WALKWAY THAT HAVE THE RETAINING WALLS. 
          THAT'S WHAT IS PREDOMINANT, THAT'S THE PREDOMINANT COMBINATION OF CUTS AND BERMS ON YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET AND ON YOUR BLOCK. 
          SO WHEN WE SEE THIS, IT JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE PHOTO HEAD ON AND ONLY YOUR HOUSE, IT LOOKS GREAT, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS NICE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. 
          UM, YEAH, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONTRACTOR GOING BEYOND THE SCOPE AND HOW THAT GETS RESOLVED. 
          ULTIMATELY, IT FALLS TO YOU. 
          UM, YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF FRONT YARDS, WALLS AND FENCES. 
          MATERIALS IS SORT OF PARTIAL IN THIS CHAPTER. 
          FIVE UNDERSIDE ELEMENTS. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE, TOPOGRAPHY GUIDELINES. 
          A TOPOGRAPHY FEATURES, NUMBER ONE, HISTORIC TOPO TOPOGRAPHY AVOID SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERING THE TOPOGRAPHY OF A PROPERTY. 
          EXTENSIVE GRADING DO NOT ALTER CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES SUCH AS BERMS OR SLOPED FRONT YARDS THAT MAY HELP DEFINE THE CHARACTER OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          OKAY, THAT'S PRIMARY, THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? WE WERE, WE WERE GOOD WITH A CURB LIKE, UM, DEFENSE. 
          I THINK COMMISSIONER FETZER'S, UM, SOLUTION OF CUTTING THAT ANGLE IS A VERY GOOD SOLUTION AS WELL. 
          AND THERE ARE PLANTS THAT ARE PROVEN IN THAT AREA TO WORK WELL IN A SLOPED EXPOSED, UM, CONDITION LIKE THIS. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY THERE. 
          SO FOR THAT REASON, THOSE REASONS I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I, MAY I MAKE ANY RESPONSES OR AM I SURE. 
          GO AHEAD, SIR. 
          UM, SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, COMMISSIONER, FITZER AND SAVINO IS TO REDUCE THE GRADE SO THAT THERE'S LESS OF A SLOPE THERE OF THE LAWN. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? INSTEAD OF A SLOPE LIKE THAT? RIGHT. 
          SO YOU'RE ADJUSTING THE GRADE EVEN THOUGH WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS THE NUMBER ONE IS DON'T ADJUST TOPOGRAPHY. 
          IE DON'T DO GRADE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THAT GREAT. 
          IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THAT SIGNIFICANT. 
          I'M, I'M JUST CLARIFYING THAT THAT'S YOUR SUGGESTIONS IN OPPOSITION TO THE GUIDELINES STATEMENT TO NOT ADJUST TOPOGRAPHY. 
          SO IF I CAME BACK IN AND WANTED TO ADJUST TOPOGRAPHY AND PUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW SAW OUT THERE, WHICH MAY DIE IN THE SUMMER, THAT WOULD BE YOUR SUGGESTION. 
          THE GUIDELINE SAYS EXTENSIVE GRADING, YOU CAN DO THIS WITH INCHES NOT FEET. 
          I THINK IT WOULD TAKE A FOOT AT LEAST. 
          SO THAT BECOMES A SUBJECTIVE THING, RIGHT? EXTENSIVE GRADING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, FURTHER THIS QUESTION. 
          YEAH, UH, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE, THE COMMISSION THAT EACH ITEM WE, WE TALK ABOUT PRECEDENTS, BUT EACH ITEM IS TO BE JUDGED ON ITS OWN MERIT AND TO BE JUDGED INDEPENDENTLY. 
          SO, UM, I, I AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE COMMISSION DOESN'T REALLY LIKE TO SEE, UH, A, A CASE IN WHICH SOMETHING WAS DONE AGAINST WHAT THE COMMISSION SAID. 
          UM, BUT I ALSO DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT SOMETIMES, UH, SOMETIMES THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE AND I WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THE ARTICULATE, UM, THE THE ARTICULATE PRESENT DISCUSSION PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND UH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW YOU HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVED AND FOR THAT REASON I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SINO NAY MOOKA AYE. 
          EVA NAY GROUP? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND? AYE. 
          FETZER NAY AND GIBBS NAY LOOKS SPLIT. 
          SP I THINK IT'S FIVE FOUR. 
          UH, MOTION FAIL. 
          DO WE HAVE NINE? IS IT FIVE? FOUR? IT'S FIVE FOUR. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NINE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ITEM NUMBER 16 PLEASE. 
          ITEM 15 IS POSTPONED. 
          ITEM 16 PLEASE. 
          CHAIRMAN, WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, WE'RE GONNA JUMP TO ITEM 13. 
          THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY HERE IN PERSON, UH, HAD A, A SLIGHT MIX UP. 
          UH, HE LEFT EARLIER. 
          UH, SO HE'S BACK HERE NOW. 
          UM, MR. ALI, YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'VE ALREADY 
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READ THIS INTO THE RECORD. 
          UM, I'LL SUMMARIZE. 
          UH, THIS IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER 13 4 0 5 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          UH, ESSENTIALLY THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A TOTAL OF THREE SIGNS. 
          UH, THE FIRST SIGN IS AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTER SIGNED. 
          AS YOU SEE HERE. 
          UH, THE OTHER TWO SIGNS THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ARE TWO BLADE SIGNS. 
          UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF BOTH SIGNS. 
          THE CHANNEL LETTER SIGN IS AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN. 
          HOWEVER, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT IT'S EITHER INDIRECTLY ILLUMINATED OR IF THE APPLICANT ELECTS TO KEEP IT INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED. 
          DID IT JUST BE DIM? UM, THERE IS A PRECEDENT AND THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CHANNEL LETTER SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, UH, DOWNTOWN, AND I'LL GIVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES HERE. 
          UH, THESE ARE, UH, SHOPS AT RIVER CENTER. 
          THERE ARE EXAMPLES THAT ARE ON EAST HOUSTON STREET AS WELL. 
          UH, WE'VE FOUND THAT GENERALLY, UH, A CHANNEL LETTER SIGN, IF IT'S ONLY INDIVIDUAL LETTERS THAT ARE LIT, UH, THEY CAN BE GENERALLY CONTROLLED WHERE THE LIGHTING IS RELATIVELY DIM AND IT DOESN'T CREATE A GLARE OR EXCESS LIGHT POLLUTION, UH, THAT IMPACTS PEDESTRIANS. 
          UH, FOR THE BLADE SIGN, I'LL ZOOM IN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, STAFF FINDS THE SIZE AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE BLADE SIGNS TO BE APPROPRIATE, UH, GIVEN CERTAIN BRAND, STANDARD STAFF EVEN FINDS THAT THE WHITE BACKGROUND FOR THE BLADE SIGNS TO BE APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, WHAT STAFF DOES WANT THE APPLICANT TO ADJUST ARE THE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED OR THE FEATURE WHERE THE ENTIRE CABINET FACE WOULD GLOW. 
          UH, SO IN SUMMARY, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE DUNCAN TEXT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO GLOW, UM, BUT NOT THE WHITE BORDER AROUND IT. 
          UH, SO IN SUMMARY, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE CHANNEL LETTER SIGN WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT EITHER BE INDIRECTLY LIT OR IF IT'S LIT INTERNALLY THAT IT'D BE DIMMED TO NOT CREATE LIGHT POLLUTION OR A GLARE. 
          WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE TWO BLADE SIGNS WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT BASICALLY ONLY THE, THE ORANGE LETTERING, UH, IS ILLUMINATED. 
          UM, THE OWNER, MR. ALI IS HERE AND IF YOU WANT TO, UH, ADD ANYTHING TO THAT SUMMARY OR CLARIFY ANYTHING YOU CAN DO. 
          SO NOW, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          UH, SO THESE ARE, UH, BRAND APPROVED SIDE. 
          MR. ALI, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? SURE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS ANDY ALI. 
          I'M THE FRANCHISEE OF DUNKIN DONUTS AND BASKIN ROBBINS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS IS A NEW SITE WE OPENED, UH, ABOUT 10 DAYS AGO ON 4 0 5 NORTH ST. 
          MARY STREET. 
          UH, IT'S A TRAVIS BUILDING. 
          IT'S HISTORIC. 
          UH, WE HAD OUR PERMITS ISSUED, UH, BY THE CITY. 
          UH, I WASN'T AWARE, UH, NOT TO ORDER THE SIGNS, SO I WENT AND ORDERED SIGNS AND THE SIGNS ARE SITTING AT THE SHOP RIGHT NOW, SO WE HAVEN'T INSTALLED IT YET. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS. 
          UM, AND THESE ARE JUST FOUR SCREWS ON TOP AND BOTTOM, SO WE'RE NOT HURTING A WHOLE LOT OF STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE REDUCING THE LIGHT INSIDE, UH, OF THIS, UH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. 
          UH, SO IT WON'T BE HIGHLY ELIMINATED AT NIGHTTIME. 
          UM, AND WE CLOSE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, SO THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE HOURS THAT THE LIGHT IS ON AND THEN YOU OPEN IT FIVE IN THE MORNING. 
          SO JUST MAYBE AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF IN THE MORNING THAT IS LIT UP. 
          SO MOSTLY JUST THE VISIBILITY FOR OUR CUSTOMERS TO SEE HEY, THAT WE'RE OPEN, UM, AND TO SUPPORT US. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER PESTER? YES, UH, MR. ALI, UH, SINCE THE SIGNS ALREADY EXIST, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE ON YOUR BLADE SIGNS TO, UH, BLACK OUT THE WHITE PART OF THE SIGN JUST SO THAT THE ORANGE LETTERS GLOW, LIKE PAINTING ON THE INSIDE OF THE PLEXIGLASS OR PUTTING A, UH, A BLACK FILM OR SOMETHING SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THAT WHITE AROUND THE LETTERS? I CAN ASK MY SIGN COMPANY. 
          UH, THEY'RE NOT HERE TODAY. 
          UH, THEY'RE SOME SORT OF LAST MINUTE CHANGES, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY SUGGEST THAT TO A DESIGN COMPANY. 
          AND IF THEY CAN JUST PUT KINDA LIKE A BLACK FILM OR A GRAY FILM THAT CAN JUST ILLUMINATE THE, THE LETTERS THAT COULD, IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, YES, WE WOULD DEFINITELY DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING, AND THIS IS ALSO TRUE FOR, UM, SITE LIGHTING, DO WE HAVE A, UM, DO WE HAVE FOOT CANDLE LEVELS OR LUMEN LEVELS THAT WE LOOK AT AS WE'RE LIKE IN THIS CASE TALKING ABOUT DIM? WHAT DOES DIM MEAN? WHAT WOULD THAT LEVEL LOOK LIKE? UM, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE SIGN CODE HAVE, UH, A LEVEL THAT A SIGN CANNOT EXCEED. 
          UH, BUT THERE'S NOT A, UH, SET CHART THAT SAYS, UH, FOR THIS CONTEXT, THIS FOOT CANDLE FOR THIS CONTEXT, THAT FOOT CANDLE. 
          UM, I THINK PROBABLY WHAT STAFF COULD DO IS WORK WITH THE SIGN INSTALLER, UH, AND TO PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE LIGHTING. 
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ALSO, THE APPLICANT, I'M NOT AWARE CURRENTLY OF ANY OBNOXIOUSLY BRIGHT SIGNS ON HOUSTON STREET. 
          AND SO THE APPLICANT COULD INSTALL SOMETHING THAT'S COMPARABLE IN IN FOOT CANDLE TO EXISTING SIGNS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN ON HOUSTON STREET, EVEN THOUGH THIS ISN'T ON HOUSTON. 
          THOSE ARE GOOD EXAMPLES. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD LIKELY BE SUFFICIENT. 
          SO, UH, IN THE INSTALLATION OR THE SIGN PERMITTING AND THE APPROVAL, UH, STAFF COULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, AN APPROPRIATE BRIGHTNESS AND FOOT CANDLE READING WAS, WAS APPROVED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR THERE A MOTION? GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. 
          A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND THERE. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND AND FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, WOULD YOU UM, OR GROUP, WOULD YOU, UH, ADJUST YOUR MOTION TO SAY THAT SOME SORT OF, UH, DARKENING FILM OR SOMETHING? WELL, I THINK THE MOTION SAYS THAT THE PROPOSED BLADE SIGN FEATURE, UM, METAL SIGN FACED WITH ROBERT FACES TO RESULT IN ONLY TEXT BEING ILLUMINATED. 
          I THINK THAT GIVES IT THE APPLICANT THE OPTIONS ENOUGH FOR STAFF ALSO TO WORK WITH A SIGNED COMPANY TO MAKE THOSE NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO WHAT IS EXISTING, I THINK. 
          RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, IF THE APPLICANT CAME TO US AND SAID WE'RE APPLYING A FILM OR SOMETHING ON THE INTERIOR, UH, TO WHERE ONLY THE DUNCAN TEXT IS ILLUMINATED, WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT, BUT IT MEETS THE INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR WITH ONLY DUNCAN TEXTS BEING ILLUMINATED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY HAVE FOR ROLL CALL PLEASE, CASTILLO. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          GIDA AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT AGAIN. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER 15 HAS BEEN POSTPONED. 
          ITEM 16 PLEASE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 15 3 25 EAST LOCUST STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF OR RESCUE REQUESTING APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH THE REAR CMU ADDITION. 
          TWO, CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR EDITION. 
          THREE, MODIFY THE STRUCTURES FENESTRATION PATTERN FOUR, MODIFY THE FRONT PORCH. 
          FIVE, MODIFY THE EXISTING ROOF FORM AND MATERIALS. 
          SIX, REMOVE EXISTING WOOD SIDING AND SEVEN INSTALL REAR PARKING. 
          STAFF FINDS THE APPLICATION INCOMPLETE. 
          THE DOCUMENTS, UH, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOW INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN ELEVATION DRAWINGS AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED A LANDSCAPE SITE PLAN, UH, PROFILE AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR NEW SIDING AND WINDOW DOOR SPECIFICATIONS. 
          SHOULD THE HDRC RECEIVE ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THAT WOULD WARRANT CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING. 
          ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F. 
          ITEM TWO. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE TWO STORY REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH P WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES STAFF WITH THE PROPOSED CITING PROFILE AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND, AND PRESENTS THEM TO STAFF FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          ITEM THREE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D AND FINDING Q WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE HISTORIC WINDOW OPENINGS FOUND ON THE EAST ELEVATION. 
          TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A FULLY WOOD WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD, UH, STIPULATIONS FOR FINAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          ITEM FOUR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THEIR PROPOSED FRONT PORCH ALTERATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E AND FINDING R WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE COLUMNS BE NO WIDER THAN SIX INCHES FEATURE SHAFER CORNERS AND A TRADITIONAL BASIN CAP. 
          AND TWO, THAT THE APPLIC OR THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE FULLY WOOD AND MEETS TO HAVE STIPULATIONS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. 
          ITEM FIVE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL THE FRONT FACING DORMER REMOVAL AND NEW ROOF MATERIALS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E AND FINDING S. 
          THE FRONT FACING DORMER IS A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE THAT SHOULD BE RETAINED. 
          THE EXISTING MATERIALS INCLUDE A PRESS METAL SHINGLE, WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND SHOULD BE REPAIRED IN KIND WHERE PRESENT. 
          ITEM SIX STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE 
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HISTORIC SIDING REMOVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E AND FINDING T EXISTING HISTORIC SIDINGS BE SHOULD BE REPAIRED IN KIND. 
          ITEM SEVEN. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR PARKING BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E AND FINDING YOU WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A PERMEABLE MATERIAL FOR PARKING AREA AND ITEM EIGHT THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED STAFF AN UPDATED SITE PLAN FOR FINAL REVIEW IF THE APPLICATIONS, IF THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE LANDSCAPE SITE PLAN CONCEPTUALLY REVIEWED BY THE HDRC STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BILLING ESCAPE MODIFICATIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCLUDES PLANTING WITHIN THE PROPOSED GRAVEL AREA. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS GRAVEL, NOT EXCEEDING TWO INCHES IN SIZE. 
          AND THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS GRAVEL NATURAL IN COLOR. 
          THE APPLICANT RICARDO MCCULLOUGH IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          THERE IS ONE LETTER IN ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW. 
          BEFORE WE BEGIN, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS SINCE POSTING THE AGENDA THAT APPLICANT'S PROVIDED DOCUMENTS INCLUDING PHOTOS OF THE HISTORIC SIDING UNDER THE ASBESTOS TILE AND PROPOSED WINDOW AND DOOR PRODUCTS. 
          THESE UPDATED DOCUMENTS ARE IN YOUR LATE FOLDER. 
          MR. MCCULLOUGH, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WALK THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH YOUR PROJECT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE FROM RICARDO MCCULLOUGH, THE PROJECT DESIGNER. 
          AND UH, I'M BASICALLY JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          UM, LAST TIME I WAS HERE I WAS ON THE DEPRESSION THAT WE WERE IN AGREEMENT ON, ON WHAT WAS APPROVED AND NOT APPROVED. 
          THERE ARE TWO ITEMS, HOWEVER, THAT, UH, THAT I FIND NEW THAT, UH, THEY STOPPED NOT RECOMMENDING THE REMOVAL OF THE FRONT GABLE. 
          THAT WAS NOT AN ITEM THAT WE CONSIDERED, NOT EVEN FROM THE BEGINNING TO DO. 
          IT WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE LEFT BEHIND. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE, THE MATERIAL OF THE ROOF THAT WE WERE INTENDING TO REMOVE AND REPLACE. 
          AND WE DECIDED HERE THAT WE WERE GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONE AND JUST WORK WITH IT. 
          THAT'S IT FOR YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MAY I HAVE VOICEMAIL PLEASE? MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET, 7 8 2 1 2. 
          I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 16, 3 25 EAST LOCUST STREET, ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS. 
          THIS PROPERTY HAS LONG BEEN A PROBLEM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE ARE GLAD THAT MR. MCCULLOUGH HAS TAKEN ON THE PROJECT TO IMPROVE THE BUILDING. 
          AT 3 25 EAST LOCUST. 
          HOWEVER, WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE MASSING OF THE PROPOSED REAR ADDITION WINDOW OPENINGS AND WINDOWS, RECONFIGURATION OF THE ROOF, CHANGE OF ROOFING MATERIAL, REMOVAL OF THE REAR CHIMNEY AND LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING PLAN, IN PARTICULAR, THE REAR ADDITION AND THE ROOF RECONFIGURATION. 
          WE AGREE WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF AND BELIEVE THAT THESE DETAILS CAN BE WORKED OUT, BUT WE ASK THE COMMISSION TO DENY APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT. 
          AT THIS TIME. 
          WE PLA WE THANK BOTH OHP AND MR. MCCULLOUGH FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS PROJECT. 
          THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A FEW. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP, GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM LAST MEETING, SO THE GABLE ITEM, WHAT ITEM IS THAT? THE ITEM FIVE. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THE DORMER IS NOT GONNA BE REMOVED? NO, IT'S NOT. 
          SO ITEM FIVE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE APPLICATION. 
          UM, STAFF CAN ADD JUST MAYBE SOME CLARITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THE, UM, THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT FOR FINAL REVIEW, UM, SHOW SOME INCONSISTENCIES. 
          SO THE PROPOSED FRONT ADDITION OR THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION, UH, SHOWS THE RETENTION OF THE, UH, CENTRALLY PLACED DORMER. 
          HOWEVER, THE, UM, RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATION SHOW, UH, REMOVAL OF THAT DORMER. 
          SO, UM, STAFF'S POSITION IS, IS THAT, UM, AS OF NOW, THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE DUE TO THOSE INCONSISTENCIES. 
          HOWEVER, UM, THIS IS THE LAST HDRC BEFORE THE, UM, UH, BEFORE THE 60 DAY REVIEW CYCLE IS, UH, DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK. 
          AND THEN THE, SO STAFF IS JUST ADDING THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THERE. 
          AND THEN ON THE ROOF, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU ARE AGREEING TO THE STIPULATION OF REPLACING IN KIND FOR, I'M SORRY, USING CONTINUOUS USE OF THE SAME TYPE OF THE EXISTING MATERIAL? CORRECT. 
          SO LAST TIME WAS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THERE WAS STILL A, 
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SOME CON SOME STIPULATIONS THAT HAD NOT BEEN MET. 
          SO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MET. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, BUT THAT WAS THE LAST TIME YOU REFERRED TO, RIGHT? WHEN YOU SAY THE LAST TIME? UH, YES. 
          BUT, UH, THE, AS I WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, IT'S THE, THOSE STIPULATIONS WERE MET IN, IN, THEY WERE RESUBMITTED WITH THE FINAL, THE FINAL PLANS. 
          WHICH ONE OF 'EM WAS THE, THE ROOF OF THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION? YEAH, THAT WAS, UH, SO SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN MET AND SOME HAVE NOT, ACCORDING TO STAFF, WHICH IS WHY IT PUTS US IN THIS POSITION BECAUSE THERE'S INCONSISTENCY IN THE DRAWING AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY LANDSCAPING. 
          UM, SO, OKAY. 
          THAT WAS JUST MY END OF QUESTIONS. 
          SO DO YOU JUST NEED, I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU JUST NEED MORE TIME STAFF? WOULD A CONTINUANCE GIVE HIM THE TIME TO STRAIGHTEN THIS STUFF, THIS STUFF OUT? I MEAN, HE CAN REQUEST A POSTPONEMENT, UM, BUT IF HE'S NOT REQUESTING THAT, THEN WE DO NEED COMMISSION ACTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I , UH, FOR STAFF. 
          THE, THE OPTION WOULD BE TO, UM, APPROVE THIS WITH STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, UH, OR DENIAL, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SPINO? UH, YEAH, LET'S SEE. 
          UM, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT CHIMNEY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TALKING ABOUT BEING REMOVED? I SEE A NUMBER OF THEM IN PLACE, BUT I CAN'T, THERE'S, UH, THERE WAS, THERE'S TWO OF 'EM, ONE IN THE FRONT AND ANOTHER VERY THIN AT, AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AT THE BEGINNING, WE WANTED TO REMOVE THE ONE AT THE BACK, BUT BECAUSE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WE DECIDED TO LEAVE IT ALONE. 
          IT'S STILL THERE, SO, SO IT'S GONNA BE THERE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH STAFF REGARDING THE COMPLETENESS OF THE, THE PROJECT. 
          UH, ONE EXAMPLE, UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT, IT'S A COORDINATION ISSUE BETWEEN THE PLAN AND THE ELEVATIONS. 
          AND SO, UM, LET ME FIND THE SHEET. 
          UH, THIS IS YOUR SHEET NUMBER FIVE OF SEVEN. 
          SO IT APPEARS AS 25 IN THE PDF PACKAGE. 
          AND THE PLAN BELOW IT IS THE, UH, SECOND FLOOR PLAN OF THE BUILDING. 
          BUT STILL WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION. 
          AND AS I SEE IT, THE, IT APPEARS THAT BEYOND, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT PORCH, WE SEE WHERE THE, EXCUSE ME, FRONT PORCH ENDS, BUT I SEE ADDITIONAL BUILDING BEHIND IT, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE IT'S THE ADDITION THAT THE ADDITION IS WIDER IN THE ELEVATION. 
          IT APPEARS THAT WAY. 
          AND THE FLOOR PLAN, IT'S NOT SO WHAT IS IT? LOOK, THE FLOOR PLAN IS THE SAME, BUT THE ELEVATION IS OFF THEN? NO, NEITHER ONE OF 'EM ARE, ARE OFF FRIDGE. 
          IT'S IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FLOOR PLAN TO THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FRONT, UH, FROM THE FRONT PORCH GOING TO THE BACK, THEN IT KICKS OUT TOWARDS THE LEFT. 
          NO, I'M LOOKING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IF WE LOOK AT THE NOTE UP ON THE UPPER RIGHT, IT SAYS WOOD SIDING FOUR INCH WITH EXPOSURE, EXPOSURE WITH MITRE CORNERS, THREE QUARTER INCH THICK, SMOOTH FINISH. 
          IF YOU TAKE THAT LINE OF THE BUILDING AND FOLLOW IT DOWN, IT, I READ IT AS THE WIDTH OF THAT TWO STORY BUILDING. 
          I'M SORRY, CAN YOU GO BACK AND YEAH, WHERE YOU HAVE THE NOTE ON THE UPPER RIGHT WOOD SIDING, FOUR INCH EXPOSURE, UHHUH , AND YOU CAN HELP ME HERE WITH THIS, THAT LINE THAT FOLLOWS DOWN HERE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN THAT DOES LINE FIRST UP THE FLOOR PLAN, BRIAN, BUT THIS IS THE ADDITION THAT PIECE, UHHUH,  IS EXISTING, THAT IS THE ADDITION BEYOND, CAN YOU PULL UP THE FLOOR PLAN PLEASE? RIGHT HERE. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T, BUT IT DOESN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, I SEE WHAT SHE'S SAYING. 
          IF YOU GO TO ON THE FLOOR PLAN, THE EXISTING PART OF THE HOUSE IS ON THE RIGHT AND THE ADDITION IS ON THE LEFT, ON THE UPPER WALL, THE EXISTING HOUSE RIGHT THERE, THAT WALL, THAT, UH, EAST WALL IS ACTUALLY BEYOND THE ADDITION WALL. 
          SO IN YOUR FRONT ELEVATION, THOSE TWO WALLS SHOULD NOT LINE UP. 
          NO, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH THEY DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT THAT JUST TELLS 
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ME IS THERE'S NOT THE DILIGENCE IN THE COORDINATION, UM, IN THIS SET TO BE READY FOR CONSTRUCTION OR FOR EVEN SOME OF THESE OTHER DECISIONS. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, UM, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT'S A VERY MINOR CHANGE. 
          AND I MEAN THAT COULD TAKE THAT, THAT COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF IN, IN, UH, IN MINUTES. 
          REALLY IT'S THE ACCUMULATION OF THESE OTHER THINGS. 
          SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS. 
          IT'S THE COORDINATION OF THE DRAWINGS AND THE COMPLETENESS OF THE DRAWINGS AND MY CHIMNEY QUESTION, WHICH YOU ANSWERED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A MOTION. 
          MAY I ASK ANOTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTION? SURE, GO AHEAD. 
          SO DOES STAFF FEEL COMFORTABLE IF WE WERE TO DO A MOTION WITH ALL THESE STIPULA RELATIONS BECAUSE OF THE LATE, I MEAN, I SAW THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS, OF COURSE LANDSCAPING IS NOT THERE, BUT THE STIPULATIONS ARE PRETTY CLEAR WHAT'S NEEDED. 
          THE DISCUSSION TODAY, MAYBE WE CAN MOVE FURTHER DOWN IN DETAILS FOR SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS, BUT WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WE COULD DEFINITELY WORK WITH IT. 
          AND IF THERE'S ANY POINT WHERE WE THINK THERE'S STILL A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION, WE CAN REFER THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. 
          IF THERE'S MAYBE A DISCREPANCY OR GRAY AREA AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE UPDATED DOCUMENTS MEET THE STIPULATION, WE COULD ALWAYS REFER IT BACK HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE, FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND MAKING THE APPLICANT AWARE THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS ARE MET. 
          SECOND, YES, SIR. 
          MOVED AND PROPERTY. 
          SECOND. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION PLEASE. 
          UH, AGAIN, UH, LIKE STAFF HAD MENTIONED AND SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I THINK IT'S, UH, COORDINATION BETWEEN, UM, THE DRAWINGS THEMSELVES AND CLARIFICATION OF MATERIALS. 
          UM, SO, BUT I THINK IT'S COME A LONG WAY AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMISSION AND STAFF TO GET IT TO WHERE IT IS. 
          AND I THINK JUST, UH, SOME MORE TIME TO, UM, TIGHTEN UP THE DRAWINGS AND SPECS. 
          OKAY, MR. CHAIR, PLEASE. 
          AND I AGREE, BUT, UH, I DO BELIEVE, UM, MR. MCCULLOUGH, YOU'VE BEEN HERE MANY, MANY TIMES, SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU LIKE MANY YEARS NEXT TIME, DON'T PUT US IN THIS POSITION. 
          'CAUSE I REALLY FEEL LIKE IT IS MINOR CHANGES THAT WE WOULD'VE LOVED TO SEEN TODAY, JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S CLEAR, PUBLIC RECORD IS CLEAR. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS KIND OF THE DISCUSSION WE ALSO HAD LAST TIME WAS LIKE, REALLY READ THE STIPULATIONS, MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN MET BEFORE SUBMITTING AGAIN. 
          I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE YEAH. 
          HAVE GONE FAR. 
          I DO FEEL LIKE THESE STIPULATIONS ARE LESS MINOR. 
          YES. 
          SOME OF THE DISCREPANCY ON THE DRAWINGS, BUT I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL ENOUGH TO COME BACK WITH THE DRAWINGS. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO ASK STAFF TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS CLEAR BEFORE WE, UH, ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OCCUPANCY. 
          THANK YOU, JUSTIN. 
          THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S ONLY THE ARCHITECT. 
          HE'S NOT GONNA BE THE BUILDER NOR THE OWNER. 
          SO I'M LIKE, I WANNA MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GO BACK ON HIM . 
          SO, UH, GO AHEAD, I'LL HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT AHEAD. 
          NO, GO AHEAD. 
          SO, UM, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE THEY SAID YOU HAVE BEEN HERE MANY, MANY TIMES, SO, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT YOU KNOW, OH, THERE ARE MINOR CHANGES OR WHAT IF THEY'RE MINOR, THEN WHY DON'T YOU HAVE 'EM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CORRECT IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CAME. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AND JUST EXPECTING US TO JUST SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING, THEY'RE MINOR CHANGES, SO THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, JUST GO AHEAD AND PROVE IT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE, I DON'T WANT US TO BE PUT IN THAT POSITION, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS REQUIRED, KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND THEN HAVE THOSE THINGS TOGETHER WHEN YOU COME HERE SO IT DOESN'T BELABOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CASE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IN THE FUTURE SITUATIONS, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M, YES, I DO. 
          AND, AND WE TRY TO PUT THE WHOLE THING TOGETHER AND, AND, AND, AND FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE MISTAKE ABOUT THE FRONT INNOVATION, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE MISSED OBVIOUSLY ON THE DRAWING BOARD AND IT, NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THERE. 
          IT'S CORRECTED. 
          MR. CHAIR, GO AHEAD, SIR. 
          I JUST WANNA ECHO WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE SAYING, AND, AND I'M ALSO GONNA TALK TO STAFF HERE ABOUT IT, RIGHT? THE, THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS AND THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM THERE IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND STAFF'S PRESENTATION AS WELL. 
          BUT YOUR PRESENTATION HAS TO INSTILL CONFIDENCE IN US SAYING YEAH, MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAVE THESE DETAILS THERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, AT THE DETAILS AND MAKE SURE NOTHING GETS LOST IN TRANSLATION FROM YOU TO THE BUILDER. 
          ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A LOT OF STIPULATIONS HERE THAT COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. 
          THIS IS WHY I ASKED IF YOU NEEDED MORE TIME, RIGHT? SO THEN I, I, MY COMMENT WOULD BE TO STAFF, HEY, THIS IS NOT GONNA COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS SAYING SOMETHING WAS BUILT AND THEN IT WASN'T ADDRESSED HERE, AND NOW THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THAT, RIGHT? 
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WE DON'T LIKE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          NO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSION. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SINO NAY, MOOKA AYE. 
          EVA AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES NAY, HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS NAY. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER 17, PLEASE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, HDRC. 
          CASE NUMBER 20 24 2 8 1 1 4 1 M. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A BLACK STANDING SEA METAL ROOF AT 1 41 ZER NEW CONSTRUCTION LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING. 
          C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE METAL ROOF BE INSTALLED AT FEATURE STANDARD, A STANDARD GAL VALLUM FINISH CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, JENNY HERNANDEZ IS HERE IN PERSON ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          GOOD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS JENNY HERNANDEZ. 
          I'M WITH THE BUILDER, H AND H GENERAL CONTRACTORS. 
          AND, UH, WE ARE SEEKING PERMISSION OR APPROVAL TODAY TO INSTALL A BLACK METAL ROOF. 
          UM, MY CLIENT'S, THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, UH, HE GREW UP ON THE, AT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AND, UH, HIS PARENTS STILL LIVE THERE AND SO HE BOUGHT THIS LOT TO BUILD THEIR FOREVER HOME. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE PLANS FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW. 
          UM, NOT REALIZING WE WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, AND SO WE, WE DESIGNED THIS HOUSE BASED ON THE, THE COLOR SCHEME THAT WE WOULD HAVE A BLACK METAL ROOF. 
          SO IT WAS MUCH TO THEIR SURPRISE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN WE FOUND OUT WE WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT COLOR. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST, UM, APPROVAL. 
          UM, THERE HAS BEEN, CAN YOU SHOW THE, THE HOUSE ON, UH, THERE'S A HOUSE A BLOCK OVER, UM, THAT DOES HAVE A BLACK METAL ROOF THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2015. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE HERE TO, TO ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL SINCE THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          SO WHERE IS THE HOUSE EXAMPLE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING THAT HAS A BLACK ROOF IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? YES, I CAN TELL YOU MA'AM. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          HI, I'M ROBERT HOWARD. 
          I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UM, SO THE HOUSE, THE, THE EXAMPLE HOUSE IS LOCATED, UH, ABOUT A BLOCK AND A HALF AWAY ON NAPIER STREET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT IS, UH, I BELIEVE 1 4, 2 6. 
          IT IS OWNED BY, UH, STATE REPRESENTATIVE ROLAND GUTIERREZ, WHO'S ALSO A MEMBER OF THE, UH, MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          I'VE SPOKEN WITH HIM DIRECTLY ALONG WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HIS HOME WAS REMODELED IN 2015 AND THE STANDING SEAM DARK METAL ROOF, WHICH IS I BELIEVE A VERY DARK BRONZE, DARK BROWN. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WAS APPROVED IN 2015. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HE DID OFFER TO MAKE A CALL ON OUR BEHALF. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I JUST OF COURSE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT HIM OUT. 
          I KNOW HE'S A BUSY PERSON, SO . 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND STAFF, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT DECISION? I, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY, BUT MOST LIKELY, I'LL GO BACK AND LOOK IN TIME. 
          UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PROBABLY IN INSTALLED BASED ON THE EXISTING PHOTOS TO MATCH THE COLOR OF THE ORIGINAL TILE ROOF THAT WAS INSTALLED ON THE HOUSE. 
          UH, THE ORIGINAL, SO THIS WAS A MODIFICATION, SO, WELL, THERE'S A PHOTO ON THE SCREEN HERE, THE HOUSE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT HAD A DARK COLORED TILE ROOF, IT APPEARS. 
          AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DECISION WAS AT THAT TIME, BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS, IS THE COLOR WAS INSTALLED TO MATCH OR CLOSELY TRY TO MATCH WHAT THE EXISTING TILE COLOR WAS EXISTING. 
          THERE WAS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, SO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION GOT A MATCHING ROOF TO THE EXISTING YES, MA'AM. 
          AND, AND HIS BUILDING, NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT HIS, HIS ORIGINAL BUILDING, HIS ORIGINAL HOME WAS BUILT IN 2005. 
          UM, SO MAYBE PRIOR TO GUIDELINES. 
          GUIDELINES, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, YOU KNOW, BUT DID GET APPROVED THAT AT A LATER POINT IN TIME. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, AND THERE IS ONE OTHER HOUSE, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE, UH, I WASN'T ABLE TO GET PICTURES OF IT, PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT FOR YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS ANOTHER HOUSE ALMOST DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS, UH, IT'S JUST COVERED BY A LOT OF VEGETATION, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO PROTRUDE AND, YOU KNOW, PUT THESE PEOPLE OUT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS MORE THAN ONE HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A VERY SMALL, TIGHT-KNIT COMMUNITY. 
          UH, I'M A THIRD GENERATION , YOU KNOW, UH, A FAMILY MEMBER WHO'S, WHO'S, WHO'S GROWN UP AND RAISED THERE. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I, I'M FLEXIBLE EITHER WAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'D, I'D LIKE TO FALL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, BUT I'D LIKE TO ALSO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GET WHAT WE WANT. 
          OF COURSE SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO WHAT WE WANT. 
          COURSE, YOU KNOW, COURSE THIS IS OUR FOREVER HOME. 
          UH, WE DON'T INTEND ON SELLING 
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OR MOVING OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE PASSED DOWN GENERATION TO GENERATION, HOPEFULLY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          UM, A QUESTION FOR THE BUILDER, DID YOU MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT NOT KNOWING THAT THIS WAS A HISTORIC DISTRICT RIGHT. 
          WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED, UH, WORKING WITH THAT? GO AHEAD. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH, SO, UM, WE, I MEAN LIKE WE SAID, WE MA'AM, WE HAD THE PROPERTY. 
          STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE. 
          SORRY, MY NAME'S LOOSE HOWARD, SO I'M THE OWNER AS WELL. 
          UM, SO MY HUSBAND GREW UP NEXT DOOR, UM, HIS GRANDFATHER FATHER, BUT UM, I THINK WITHIN THE LAST MAYBE 10 YEARS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAME HISTORIC. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO THAT. 
          SO WE'VE ALWAYS LIKE, BECAUSE THIS HOUSE HAS COME BEFORE US BEFORE, UM, HASN'T IT FOR CONCEPTUAL OH, FOR MAYBE FOR APPROVAL TO BUILD THE RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS HOUSE HAS COME BEFORE US. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, UM, AND STAFF AS YOU HAVE WORKED WITH THEM REGARDING THIS CASE. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          HAVE YOU GONE THROUGH, UM, DETAILED STANDARDS INCLUDING VENTS AND RIDGE TREATMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH THEM? UH, SO THE ORIGINAL STIPULATION, AND I'LL GO UP TO OUR, UM, UH, COMMENTS HERE. 
          SO, UH, FINDING B PREVIOUS APPROVAL, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AT 1 41 ZERN WAS APPROVED BY THE HDRC ON JUNE 7TH, 2023. 
          THE STIPULATION OF THAT APPROVAL IS THE ADOPTED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF STANDARDS, WHICH SPECIFY THE PANEL WITH SAME HEIGHT RIDGE DETAILS, UH, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A LOW PROFILE, UH, RIDGE CAP OR A RIDGE SEAM, UH, WHICHEVER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, SINCE THIS ISN'T A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UH, AND THEN THE PANEL DETAILS. 
          SO SMOOTH PANEL WITH NO CORRUGATION OR STRIATION AND THE COLOR, UH, THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES REFERENCE THE COLOR AND SPECIFICALLY SAY, UH, ROOF IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT SHOULD, UH, BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT. 
          UM, NOW, UH, FROM A STAFF WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LET THEM KNOW THAT, UM, THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR A BLACK SHINGLE ROOF. 
          UH, AND, AND THOSE ARE FOUND. 
          AND SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE COLOR, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          BUT AS FAR AS INSTALLING A BLACK METAL ROOF, THE ONLY UH, UH, ALLOWANCE FOR A METAL ROOF THAT'S NOT THE STANDARD GAL AND FINISH WOULD BE IN THE CASE OF RED. 
          UH, BECAUSE THOSE ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY OR WHITE, UM, TO REFLECT, UH, SOLAR GANG. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT I WANNA HEAR OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          UM, IF WE GO BACK TO, TO THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT YOU SAID WAS A BLOCK AND A HALF, IT SEEMS ALSO LIKE THAT IS KIND OF MORE IN THE BACK, RIGHT? SO THE BLACK FEATURED BLACK, UM, STANDARD SEEM ROOF, SO IT'S MORE IN THE BACK, WELL, NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT IT, THE GARAGE IS IN THE FRONT PORTION OF THE HOME. 
          IT'S A LITTLE MORE FLAT, BUT THAT ROOF IS ALSO A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, DARK IN COLOR AS WELL. 
          IT'S RIGHT ON THE STREET SIDE. 
          IT, IT'S JUST HARD TO TAKE A PICTURE, YOU KNOW, FROM GROUND LEVEL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND GET THAT. 
          AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR, LIKE WHAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT. 
          UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF HAS, CAN WE GO BACK TO A FRONT ELEVATION OF YOUR HOME? I MEAN, YOU HAVE A LOW PITCH ROOF, SO I'M MORE ASKING YOU IS LIKE, HAVE YOU MAYBE CONSIDERED, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING UP LIKE A BIG TWO STORY. 
          I GET THAT, BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED MAYBE NOT HAVING A BLACK, I THINK MAYBE STAFF CAN HAVE, HAVE WE NOT APPROVED A GALVANIZED THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A DARK GRAY? I THINK WE'VE BEEN CLOSE TO THAT. 
          THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED, UH, ROOF COLORS THAT ARE DARKER THAN THE STANDARD GAL AND FINISH, BUT ARE STILL WITHIN THE COLOR PALETTE OF BEING GRAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER WOULD DARK BRO? EXCUSE ME? WOULD DARK BRONZE FALL WITHIN THAT COLOR PALETTE? I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE GO MORE TOWARDS THE DARK. 
          IF YOU WANT A DARKER COLOR, ANYTHING THAT'S EXISTING. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO DARK BRONZE, WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE MAYBE TILE? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY DARK BRONZE, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS COLORS THAT LOOK MORE LIKE THE SHINGLES. 
          YEAH, WELL, SO THE, THE, THE ROOF AT, UH, AT, AT SENATOR GUTIERREZ'S HOUSE IS A DARK BRONZE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT BLACK. 
          IT'S NOT BLACK. 
          IT'S VERY DARK 'CAUSE IT'S TRYING TO IMITATE THAT DARKER, UH, SHINGLE THAT THEY HAD BEFORE. 
          RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WAIT, SHERIFF FETZER? YES. 
          UM, GALVAO, ONE OF THE GALONE FINISHES, THE STANDARD IS WHATEVER EVERYONE THINKS OF AS SHINY, RIGHT? ALUMINUM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YES. 
          OR BRIGHT. 
          UH, THEY DO HAVE A WEATHERED GAL LUM, WHICH IS, UH, DARKENED. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A DARKER GRAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT, UM, AND IT'S A STANDARD GAL FINISH AND WONDERING IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE. 
          OKAY. 
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SO BASICALLY IT JUST STANDS AS IS YOU CAN WITHDRAW THIS APP REQUEST AND THEN JUST WORK WITH STAFF AND PICK A COLOR THAT, LIKE SAME MATERIAL STAND ONE GALVAN AND THEN YOU CAN WORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          STUFF, WE DON'T HAVE TO SPECIFY THAT HERE. 
          UM, STAFF COULD LIKELY APPROVE STANDARD GAL WOUND FINISH OR, UH, LIKE A, A PAINT GRIP, UH, GRAY, WHICH IS THE NON SHIN OR A WEATHERED LOOK. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK OUTSIDE OF THAT, AND RED OR WHITE, UM, STAFF WOULD BE RELATIVELY LIMITED BASED ON THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT COLOR WE COULD, WE COULD PICK. 
          SO IF THERE'S A COLOR THAT'S OUTSIDE OF GRAY, RED OR WHITE, UM, THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD MOTION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SPECIFIED, UH, IN THE MOTION SO THAT WE COULD THEN FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COMMISSION DECIDED. 
          YES. 
          I'D SAY THAT, UM, THE COLOR OF YOUR JACKET WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE WEATHERED GAL BLOOM AS OPPOSED TO SHINY ALUMINUM COLOR. 
          SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AS A, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO BLACK. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER ESPINO? UM, YEAH. 
          UM, TO MAKE THINGS MORE COMPLICATED, , ESPECIALLY WITH COLOR, IF YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE REASON WHY CERTAIN COLORS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN KINDS OF ROOFS, RIGHT? THE, THE, UM, THE TILE ROOF IS EARTH AND COLORS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE DRIVING THAT MATERIAL FROM THE EARTH. 
          IT'S CLAY TERRA COT AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          SO TO SEE IT IN THOSE COLORS, UM, CAN BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE. 
          THE SHINGLE ROOFS TEND TO BE NATURAL COLORS BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO IMITATE, UM, WOOD SHINGLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT IS METAL TRYING TO IMITATE ITSELF? MM-HMM, . 
          SO TYPICALLY IT WOULD BE A LIGHTER COLOR, UM, AS THE METAL AGES, IT DOES TAKE ON A PATINA DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BASE MATERIAL IS. 
          AND FOR GAL BLOOM AND, AND ZINC AND OTHER THINGS, IT IS THE GRAY. 
          SO MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THE BLACK COMES ACROSS AS TOO GRAPHIC AND ARTIFICIAL. 
          MR. CHAIR, CAN WE GET A MOTION BEFORE WE GO INTO DISCUSSION? DEFINITELY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          SO ARE YOU'RE THE, UH, THE BUILDER, ARE YOU DOING THE ROOF OR ARE YOU SUBCONTRACTING THAT WE SUB, SO IS BLACK A STANDARD COLOR THAT YOU CAN PUT? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS KIND OF, THAT WOULD SEEM LIKE KIND OF CUSTOM TYPE COLOR. 
          NOTHING IS REALLY, TRULY BLACK. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S A DARK BRONZE OR IT'S A VERY DARK GRAY. 
          IT JUST LOOKS BLACK FROM WHEN YOU'RE STANDING IN THE STREET. 
          BUT BLACK IS AN ACTUAL, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S JUST AS AVAILABLE AS THE, THE OTHER COLOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MOTION PLEASE. 
          WELL, I SEEM LIKE COMMISSIONER SAVINO OR COMMISSIONER FETZER WERE ON THE WAY TO THAT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A MOTION BEFORE WE GO INTO OPINIONS AND DISCUSSIONS, BUT IF NOT, I'LL DO A MOTION. 
          UM, I'LL MOVE FOR, OKAY. 
          APPROVAL OF A, A WEATHERED GALVAO FINISH. 
          I'LL SECOND BEEN MOVED. 
          IM PROPERLY SECOND. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION PLEASE. 
          UH, SORRY, JUST WANNA CLARIFICATION. 
          DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY THE TWO DETAILS OF SIZE AND ALL THAT? BUT IT WASN'T THE LAST MOTION. 
          UM, I, IF, IF YOU WANTED TO FOR SAY KEEPING YOU COULD, HOWEVER, YOU COULD ALSO TO APPROVE THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED METAL ROOF STANDARDS WITH THE OPTION FOR A DARK WEATHER ROOF. 
          UH, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THOSE, I'LL AMEND THE MOTION TO SAY, UH, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, STANDARD ROOF STIPULATIONS IN TERMS OF, UH, MATERIAL AND, AND DIMENSIONS AND, UM, STANDARD GLUM FINISH INCLUDING, UH, A WEATHERED GLOOM IF DESIRED. 
          SECOND CONCURS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY MY COLOR DISCUSSION CAME EARLIER. 
          IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT WHAT, WHAT LOOKS, I DON'T WANNA SAY NATURAL BECAUSE THE METAL ISN'T NATURAL, BUT I THINK THE WEATHER GAL BLOOM OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES COULD BE JUST AS, AS STUNNING. 
          IS THAT THE COLOR? IS THAT, THAT'S THE NAME OF THE COLOR WEATHER GLOO. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          YES, YOU CAN CHECK WITH STAFF. 
          I DEFINITELY CHECK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WHAT'S SELECTED IS, IS THAT STANDARD WEATHERED. 
          SO WOULD YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT COLOR PALETTE AVAILABLE FROM THE VARIOUS LOCAL MANUFACTURERS OR WE, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE IT ON FILE, BUT IF YOU SENT A COLOR PALETTE TO STAFF, WE COULD WITHIN A, A RANGE OF COLORS FOR, FOR THE GRAY CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD FALL WITHIN THIS. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          MM-HMM. 
           SO BLIND IS COMPLETELY DENIED, BUT WHAT THIS DOES IS IT AVOIDS THAT SHINY, SHINY NEW ALUMINUM LOOKING MATERIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SINA? AYE. 
          MAZUA? AYE. 
          EVA? 
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AYE GROUP? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER 18 PLEASE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 92 9 0 1 NORTH ALAMO. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE AND CONSTRUCT THE TWO STORY FRONT PORCH. 
          THIS INCLUDES INCORPORATING AN EXISTING PORTION OF THE ENCLOSED PORCH AND EXTENDING BEYOND THE PORCH FOOTPRINT TO THE SOUTH. 
          REPLACE THE EXISTING STUCCO CLADDING WITH HARDY SIDING AND THREE, CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL AND RECONSTRUCTION OF A WRAPAROUND FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE NEW FRONT PORCH SHOULD MATCH THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH. 
          PER THE 1904 SANBORN MAP, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA TWO, THAT SALVAGEABLE MATERIALS SUCH AS PORCH DECKING COLUMNS AND BEADBOARD SHOULD BE SALVAGED AND REUSED. 
          WERE POSSIBLE THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SALVAGE AND REUSE PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS CLASSICAL COLUMNS TO MATCH THE STYLE OF THE EXISTING SECOND STORY COLUMNS. 
          THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT, SHOULD SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE ROOFING DECKING COLUMNS, SKIRTING STEPS AND HANDRAILS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND THAT THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF MATCHES STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS. 
          ITEM TWO. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE STUCCO CLADDING BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT REMOVES THE EXISTING STUCCO TO EXPOSE ANY ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING INSTALLED BENEATH THE EXISTING STUCCO CLADDING OR REPLACES THE STUCCO CLADDING WITH FULLY WOOD SIDING. 
          IN A TRADITIONAL PROFILE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT EVIDENCE OF ANY WOOD SIDING THAT REMAINS IN PLACE OR UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR A FULLY WOOD REPLACEMENT SIDING MATERIAL TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND ITEM THREE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE ROOFING MATERIAL, CLADDING DOORS, RAILING STAIRS, AND HAND RAILING TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS SHOWING THE PROFILE OF THE PROPOSED STAIRCASE FROM THE FRONT AND REAR ELEVATIONS AND THE APPLICANT WEIGHED WHEN IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          WADE, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MUTE. 
          ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, GREAT. 
          HELLO. 
          CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES. 
          HELLO? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, SIR, AND PRESENT YOUR CASE. 
          UH, HI. 
          MY NAME IS WADE. 
          I'M ACTUALLY THE OWNER AND THE, UH, ALSO THE, UH, DESIGNER FOR, UH, THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, WE'RE, UH, SUBMITTING, WELL I'M SUBMITTING THIS, UH, CASE TO, UH, TO HAVE THIS, UH, WHITE HOUSE RESTORED AND, UH, IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND WE'D LIKE TO, UH, RESTORE IT TO, UH, TO MAKE A, A BUSINESS USE OUT OF IT. 
          IS THAT IT, SIR? UH, YES. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR APPROVAL FOR THE, UH, THE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE RE REQUESTED. 
          UM, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY SPECIFIC, UH, QUESTIONS FOR ME. 
          WE WILL JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU WERE DONE PRESENTING YOUR CASE, SO IF YOU'RE DONE PRESENTING YOUR CASE, UM, I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION PLEASE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          COMMISSION GROUP. 
          DO YOU AGREE TO ALL, UH, STAFF, STAFF, STAFF STIPULATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, UH YES MA'AM. 
          UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH RACHEL FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW. 
          WE'VE JUST GOT FUNDING TO, UH, UH, WORK ON THIS. 
          SHE'S BEEN REALLY GOOD AT GETTING BACK TO ME WITH WHAT, WHAT MATERIAL I NEED, UH, HOW TO DO IT AND, AND WHAT MY ARCHITECTS NEED, UH, TO, TO SHOW THIS ON THE PLAN. 
          AND, UH, SO WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH HER. 
          WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND IT'S ALSO A LEARNING PROCESS FOR ME, SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          AND TO HELP ORGANIZE OUR CONVERSATION, A STAFF CAN CLARIFY. 
          SO ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE EXISTING TWO STORY PORCH. 
          THERE IS CURRENTLY NO ONE, UH, NO DECKING ON THE FIRST STORY OR COLUMNS. 
          IT'S SUPPORTED BY POSTS. 
          AND WHAT EXISTS NOW IS A FRONT PORCH WHERE THE SIDE PORTION OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH HAS BEEN INFILLED. 
          AND SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REMOVE THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH 
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AND REBUILD A WRAPAROUND PORCH THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH. 
          AND SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THEY SIMPLY REMOVE THE INFILL OF THE ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH FOOTPRINT AND, UH, USE THAT AS THE WRAPAROUND AND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THAT. 
          UM, WADE, CAN YOU CLARIFY? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YOU WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE EXTENDED WRAPAROUND FRONT PORCH, UH, RACHEL? THAT IS CORRECT, BUT, UH, WHEN YOU SAID THE INFIELD IS TO GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THAT HOUSE, IT SEEMS LIKE ORIGINALLY THE HOUSE WAS BUILT WHERE THAT THAT LITTLE SMALL INFIELD, UH, WAS OPEN AND THAT WAS PART OF THE PORCH. 
          WHAT OUR PLAN TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND WRAP THAT HOUSE TO, TO ENCLOSE THAT PART AND THEN WRAP THE, THE PORCH AROUND THE INFILL. 
          AND THE REASON WHY WE DO THAT IS BECAUSE THE, UH, UH, THE PORCH THAT'S FACING THE NINE, THE, UH, THE ALAMO STREET IS FACING A, UH, UH, A POWER PLANT OR, OR THE BIG, UH, ELECTRICAL UNIT. 
          AND WE SEE THAT, THAT THE PORCH ADDING THE PORCH TO THE SOUTH WOULD HELP THE, UH, THE VISIBILITY, UH, LOOKING DOWNTOWN. 
          UH, THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE WANNA DO THAT. 
          BUT ALSO, UH, WHILE WE'RE AT IT, WE THINK IT WOULD BE MORE FUNCTIONAL, UH, BECAUSE AS WE, AS I DRIVE AROUND SAN ANTONIO, I SEE A LOT OF THESE HOUSES. 
          THE PORCH IS NOT JUST ONLY AT THE FRONT AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A CORNER LOT AND WE HAVE THAT BUILDING WHERE IT JUST ENCLOSES EVERYTHING. 
          WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE STRUCTURE AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LET'S BUILD, LET'S BUILD IT SO IT, IT, IT, IT, IT ADDS MORE VALUE TO, UH, TO THIS HOUSE. 
          AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE IS THE SITE PLAN THAT IS PROPOSED WHERE THEY ARE RETAINING THE INFILLED SIDE PORCH AND EXTENDING THE WRAPAROUND PORCH BEYOND THAT HOUSE FOOTPRINT. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM TO HELP ORGANIZE OUR CONVERSATION IS ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REMOVE THE STUCCO CLADDING AND INSTALL HARDY BOARD AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT EITHER EXPOSE EXISTING WOOD SIDING UNDERNEATH THE STUCCO CLADDING OR INSTALL FULLY WOOD SIDING IN PLACE OF HARDY SIDING. 
          AND WADE, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO REQUEST HARDY BOARD INSTALLATION? UH, CORRECT. 
          UH, SO IT SEEMS LIKE THREE FOUR, THIS IS, THIS HOUSE IS, UH, IS, IS DONE WITH STUCCO AND AS YOU EXAMINE CLOSER TO THE PICTURE WHERE THE SEAM WHERE WHERE THE STUCCO MEETS THE, UM, THE WOOD, IT'S ALREADY UH, DETERIORATED THE EXPANSION GAP BETWEEN IT, IT'S ALREADY UH, BROKEN SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO GO AND AND PUT A SEALANT ON IT. 
          SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS JUST REMOVE ALL THAT AND REPLACE WITH EITHER WOOD OR HARDY PLANK. 
          BUT WHAT I FIND ABOUT THE HARDY PLANK IS WE FOUND SOME OR WE FIND A, A MANUFACTURER THAT HAS SMOOTH UH, FIVE INCH HARDY BOARDS AND IT LOOKS JUST EXACTLY LIKE WHAT IS EXISTING RIGHT NOW. 
          EXACTLY MAYBE OFF BY HALF AN INCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION THAT MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I CAN DO A MOTION. 
          I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WITH STAFF. 
          UM, SO IN ITEM NUMBER ONE, IT ACCORDING TO WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE, WE WOULD REMOVE THE UM, STIPULATION NUMBER ONE TO COMPLY WITH HIS REQUEST IF WE WOULD GO THAT THAT WAY AWAY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN REMOVE UH, STIPULATION ONE IN ITEM TWO. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT IS IT, RIGHT? YES. 
          AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING UH, APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THE REMAINING STIPULATIONS. 
          I GUESS I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          CAN YOU JUST SHOW ME AGAIN IF WE WERE TO EXTEND THAT WRAP AROUND, HOW DOES IT LOOK LIKE ON THE FIRST FLOOR JUST HANGING OVERHANGING OR IS THERE GOOD THEN GONNA BE AN EXTENSION COMPARED TO WHAT'S EXISTING? 'CAUSE THERE'S NONE. 
          RIGHT, SO THERE IS CURRENTLY THE FRONT PORCH FOOTPRINT, THERE IS THE SECOND STORY DECKING AND ROOF THAT IS STILL THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          THE PORCH TERMINATES HERE AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE SCREEN WHERE THE PORCH HAS BEEN INFILLED. 
          YEAH, PREVIOUSLY. 
          AND SO IT WOULD BE AN EXTENSION THAT WOULD APPEAR AS A REGULAR WRAPAROUND PORCH. 
          IT'S JUST GOING BEYOND WHAT THAT ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT WAS. 
          ON THAT, ON THE LOWER PART OF THE AND WHAT'S BELOW THAT ON THE FIRST FLOOR CURRENTLY? NOTHING, CORRECT? YES. 
          IT'S JUST HELD UP BY POST. 
          AND I CAN PULL UP A PHOTO. 
          SO HERE YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE WOOD SIDING IS IS ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO WHEN AFTER IT CURVES, 'CAUSE IT REALLY JUST CURVES INTO THAT INFILL. 
          SO 
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BASICALLY THE HE WOULD ADD MORE POST, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS A NON HISTORIC ADDITION, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE INFILL. 
          SO THAT IS GOING TO BE REMOVED, THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND THEN THE REQUEST IS TO ESSENTIALLY JUST EXTEND THE FRONT PORCH TO WRAP AROUND THE, THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M GONNA DO A MOTION WITH APPROVE ITEM ONE WITH STIPULATION TWO, THREE AND FOUR APPROVING THE EXTENSION OF THE WRAPAROUND. 
          BUT I'M GONNA LEAVE ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH STIPULATION AND ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATION SECOND SPEND MOVING AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND AND FURTHER DISCUSSION WHEN I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT WITH, UM, WHEN YOU REMOVE THE STUCCO, WE, WE ALWAYS UH, WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. 
          UM, YOUR, THE APPLICANT'S TRYING TO MATCH WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY, IF SOMETHING CHANGES WHEN THE STUCCO IS REMOVED OR YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT CAN ALWAYS COME BACK, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT ONE STUFF HAS IT RIGHT FOR NOW. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SPOT. 
          OKAY WITH THAT, WITH I AGREE WITH MY UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONER. 
          PERFECT, THANK YOU. 
          NO FURTHER. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          QUESTION MAY KNOW, UM, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, RATHER THAN MAKING THE WRAPAROUND PORCH LOOK AS IF IT WERE ORIGINAL, WHAT CAN WE DO TO DISTINGUISH THE ORIGINAL, UH, OR THE NEW FROM THE ORIGINAL? AND MIGHT THAT JUST BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A DIFFERENT COLUMN DETAIL PERHAPS? UH, SO STIPULATION SAYS, UH, LET'S SEE, STIPULATION, UH, THREE ON ITEM ONE. 
          APPLICANT INSTALLS CLASSICAL COLUMNS TO MATCH THE STYLE OF THE EXISTING SECOND STORY COLUMNS, PERHAPS WHERE THE NEW COLUMNS GO IN. 
          IT IS A SIMPLE ONE BY CAPITAL AND A SIMPLE ONE BY BASE. 
          UM, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MY COLLEAGUES, IS THAT, UH, UM, WHAT AMENDMENT THAT Y'ALL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, UM, SUPPORTING AND THE, AND THE, THE INTENT IS TO SHOW THAT THAT WRAPAROUND PORCH IS NOT ORIGINAL. 
          I ARE YOU SURE PITZER? WELL IF THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS, I WANNA SAY ONE THING, I MEAN IT, THE WRAP IT WAS WRAPPING AROUND. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE JUST WRAPPING IT AROUND THE INFIELD, RIGHT? HE'S MOVING IT OUTWARDS BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A WRAP AROUND THERE, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT IT HAS BEEN INFILLED. 
          YES, IT HAS BEEN INFILLED, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT, UM, BY MATCHING IT, MAKING IT ALL MATCHING IT IS GIVING A FALSE SENSE OF WHERE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING ENVELOPE WAS, WHERE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, IT'S A SIMPLE, IT'S A SIMPLE DETAIL. 
          I, YEAH, I MEAN TO ME IT'S MINOR TO BE HONEST. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST, WE'VE DONE OTHER PROPERTIES. 
          WE'VE DONE IT EVEN AT THE PEARL, BUT WE'VE REVIEWED IT. 
          I MEAN WE'VE EXTENDED WRAPAROUND PORCHES AND WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR THEM TO DO THAT. 
          AND I THINK ALSO JUST FOR UNIFORM, BUT, UM, WHATEVER THE COMMISSION SAYS, I'LL CHANGE THE MOTION IF THAT'S THE WHAT THE MAJORITY WANT. 
          I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHERS. 
          RACHEL, COULD YOU PULL UP PHOTO NUMBER 22 AND ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT CORNER THAT SHOWS WHERE THE CURRENT PORCH ENDS AGAINST THAT THE INFILL, THE PART WITH THE, UH, HORIZONTAL SIDING HAD BEEN AN ORIGINAL PORCH. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN INFILL AND THEN BEYOND THAT IS THE, UH, LOOKS LIKE THE STUCCO WALL. 
          SO, UM, SINCE WE ARE CHANGING, POTENTIALLY CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT, FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, UH, BY EXTENDING THE PORCH ALONG THIS SOUTH FACADE, UM, I THINK, UH, MAKING SOME, EVEN IF IT'S SUBTLE DISTINCTION ON THE DETAILING OF THE, UH, EXTENSION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE SO THAT, UM, AS SOMEONE STUDIES THE, THE BUILDING IN THE FUTURE, THEY COULD SEE WHAT WAS ORIGINAL AND WHAT WAS IN ADDITION. 
          ARE YOU MAINTAINING THE ROOF OR ARE YOU EXTENDING OUT FROM WHAT'S EXISTING ROOF? UH, WELL IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE PORCH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A, UH, THE, THE ROOF IS GONNA HAVE TO, UH, EXTEND AROUND THE, UM, UH, THE BUILDING. 
          UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, IT SEEMS 
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LIKE WE'RE GONNA, THE, THE ROOF IS NOT GONNA BE ATTACHED TO THE ORIGINAL WHERE THE TWO STORY HOUSE IS. 
          THE PORCH IS GONNA BE HAVE A SEPARATE, UH, ROOF, UH, THAT WRAPS AROUND THE BUILDING. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES. 
          AND CURRENTLY ON THE EAST SIDE IT HAS A ROOF OVER THE FRONT PORCH, CORRECT. 
          SO ON THE, SO THE SOUTH WOULD ALSO DO THE SAME, SO YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THAT, BUT THEN YOU KNOW HOW ON THE SOUTH IT HAS THAT ROOF OVER THE INFIELD, ARE YOU THEN GONNA ADD ANOTHER ROOF? SO IT HAS LIKE THREE ROOFS? LET'S LOOK AT THE PICTURE AGAIN. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA EXTEND IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OFFSET. 
          UH, UH, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT VERTICALLY DOWN, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO STRAIGHT ACROSS AND THE WINDOW WILL JUST RIGHT BE BELOW, IT'LL BE IN LINE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE WINDOW THAT IS ON THE INFILL. 
          SO ON DRAWING PAGE 35 SHOWS THAT, UM, SHED ROOF OVER THE, UH, NEW BALCONY BELOW THE, THE MAIN ROOF OF THE HOUSE, CORRECT? YES SIR. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE REMOVING THE ENTIRE, THE ORIGINAL ROOF AND YOU'RE REBUILDING THAT ROOF DEEPER BUT WITH A, UH, STARTING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TO GET THE SLOPE, THE DRAINAGE SLOPE? SO, UM, SO, SO IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO PAGE 35, YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT TALLER. 
          THEY DUNNO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          SO THE SLOPE WOULD JUST ONLY A QUARTER INCH FOR EVERY, UH, EVERY FOOT. 
          UH, AND IF WE EXTEND IT UP EIGHT FEET, IT'S UH, IT WOULDN'T BE UH, THAT MUCH, IT WOULD BE JUST TWO INCH SLOPE. 
          SO THE PITCH, UH, SO, SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, UH, MATERIALLY AFFECT, UH, WELL FROM WHAT I'VE, I'VE SEEN, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA MATERIALLY AFFECT THE UH, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO HIGHER ON THE, UH, WHERE THE EDGE MEETS THE, THE BUILDING, THE OF THE ROOF FOR THE, UH, THE PORCH. 
          SORRY, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I WANNA REPEAT THAT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          ARE YOU REMOVING THE ROOF THAT'S OVER THE CURRENTLY INFILLED PATIO OR, UH, CORNER? UH, NO, WE'RE NOT REMOVING THAT ROOF. 
          NO MA'AM. 
          THE ROOF THAT WRAPS AROUND THE PORCH IS SEPARATE, IS DEPICTED IN THE DRAWINGS AND IT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT MAKES SENSE OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE BE BUILT A THIRD ROOF AND, AND I THINK IT WOULD, UH, AESTHETICALLY, YEAH. 
          OKAY, SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE PICTURE AGAIN. 
          UM, WHAT WAS IT? YEAH, 22 I THINK I, I'M, I'M, OKAY. 
          SO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A ROOF THAT WAS A PATIO ROOF FROM THE, FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE PATIO GOES ALONG AND IT GOES AND COVERS AND HAS CREATES THE ROOF OVER THE INFIELD PATIO, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO THE ROOF OF THE HOME, THE ROOF OF THE PATIO OF THE ORIGINAL WRAPAROUND PORCH. 
          SO NOW SINCE WE'RE EXTENDING THE PATIO OUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'RE EXTENDING THE ORIGINAL ROOF SOUTH SIDE. 
          I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH SIDE EXTENDING THE ORIGINAL ROOF, WHICH IS COVERING THE PART THAT'S INFIELD, CORRECT? CORRECT, YES MA'AM. 
          SO WE'RE JUST EXTENDING THAT OUT. 
          WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY PART OF THAT ORIGINAL WRAPAROUND ROOF. 
          UH, LET'S, CAN YOU, CAN YOU REPHRASE YOUR QUESTION ONE MORE TIME? SO WE HAVE LIKE THIS ORIGINAL WRAPAROUND ROOF, RIGHT? THIS ORIGINAL ROOF THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL WRAPAROUND PORCH THAT INCLUDES YES MA'AM. 
          THAT COVERS THE PART THAT'S INFILLED. 
          SO THAT IS NOT CHANGING. 
          THE ONLY THING YOU'RE DOING IS LIKE, YOU'RE NOT REMOVING THAT OR YOU ARE REMOVING IT TO EXTEND IT OUT AND CREATE A AND LIKE BUILD A NEW ROOF. 
          YOU'RE PUTTING UP A NEW ROOF TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND IT OUT. 
          OUR PLAN IS TO, OUR PLAN IS TO PUSH THE IN INFIELD MAX SO IT'S UH, UH, IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING SOUTH SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. 
          THE INFIELD NEEDS TO BE PUSHED BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          OTHERWISE IT WOULD CREATE AN OFFSET TO WHERE IT, IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT RACHEL. 
          OKAY, I'M GONNA HAVE A, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING, I'M GONNA CHANGE THE MOTION. 
          I'M GONNA SAY WE'RE GONNA CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ONE AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO COME BACK WITH A ROOF PLAN AND NOW YOU JUST CHANGE IT THAT YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DESIGNING HERE. 
          I THINK THAT SHOULD BE VERY, VERY CLEAR BEFORE PROVING THAT. 
          SO APPROVING EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND THEN CONCEPTUALLY ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH JUST IF YOU CAN COME BACK WITH CLEAR ROOF PLAN AND CLEAR MEASUREMENTS OF WHAT'S EXISTING AND WHAT'S BEING ADDED OR WHAT'S BEING CHANGED ON THE INFILL AND ON THAT CORNER SOUTHWEST 
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CORNER. 
          SO IF WE, UH, SO WHAT IF, IF WE DO NOT, WAIT SIR, ONE MOMENT PLEASE. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          SO, OKAY, SECOND. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, NOW GO AHEAD SIR. 
          IF WE DO NOT PUSH THE INFILL BACK AND WE WRAP AROUND THE UH, THE ROOF BACK, IT'S, IT WOULD BE OKAY WITH YOU BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS? I ACTUALLY DID WITHDRAW MY FIRST MOTION, SO I'M GONNA KEEP IT LIKE THAT AND NOW I'M GONNA KEEP IT AT A COMMISSION LEVEL. 
          SO I DO FEEL LIKE BECAUSE THEN THAT ALSO CAN, CAN LEAVE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH OPTIONS FOR, UH, THE COLUMNS, RIGHT? IF WE WANNA DO COLUMNS, CHANGE OF COLUMNS AND SO COME BACK WITH FINAL ROOF PLAN, FINAL MEASUREMENTS OF EXISTING AND WHAT'S BEING CHANGED OR WHATNOT. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU CHANGING THE INFILL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU EXTENDING THE PORCH. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHAT'S BEING CHANGED AND THEN A RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE OF COURSE JUST TO UH, TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT SHOWS WHAT WAS THE OLD AND WHAT WHAT IS THE NEW AND I THINK SO CONCEPTUALLY YES ON ITEM ONE BUT COME BACK WITH FINALIZED ON ITEM ONE AND IF COMMISSIONER IS A GOOD, I THINK MY SECOND IS CLEAR. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          SECOND. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN I'LL CALL FOR, I WOULD ASK THE CHAIR FOR THE CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER P? YES, JUST A CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO WITH THE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, UH, YOU WOULD NEED TO UH, UPDATE YOUR DEMOLITION DRAWINGS, UM, THAT SHOWS THAT ENTIRE SOUTH WALL IS BEING, UH, IN LINE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I THINK THAT'LL HELP YOU INFORM YOU ON HOW YOU DETAIL THE, UH, THE PORCH EXTENSION WITH THE UH, WITH THE ROOF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SINO? AYE. 
          ZUKA AYE. 
          GUEVARA AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER 19 PLEASE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 27 6 5 0 2 NORTH CHERRY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE REPLACED 12 EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH FULLY WITH NEW FULLY WOOD WINDOWS AND TWO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY 698 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS. 
          A THROUGH E STAFF FINDS THAT THE WINDOWS ARE REPAIRABLE. 
          ANY WINDOW ELEMENTS THAT ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR MAY BE REPLACED WITH IN-KIND MATERIAL MATCHING IN MATERIAL DIMENSION PROFILE AND FINISH. 
          IF THE HDRC IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND ITEM TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS F THROUGH N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF THAT MEETS THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS AND AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOF REVIEW MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. 
          TWO. 
          THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A SALVAGE PLAN FOR ANY REUSABLE MATERIAL REMOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE REAR ADDITION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF COA BASED ON FINDING I THREE. 
          THAT THE TWO, THAT THE TWO ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS, WINDOWS 10 AND 11 PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITION ARE SALVAGE, REPAIRED AND REINSTALLED ON THE PROPOSED EDITION OR ARE STORED ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE. 
          BASED ON FINDING JAY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SALVAGE AND REUSE PLAN FOR THE WINDOWS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AND FOR THE APPLICANT THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS TO CREATE A MORE TRADITIONAL FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS. 
          BASED ON FINDING L, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THIS REQUEST AND THE APPLICANT RICHARD GONZALEZ MAY BE WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          OH, COREY HAS LEFT THE BUILDING. 
          UM, HE WAS NOT ON EARLIER AND SO IF HE'S NOT WITH US VIRTUALLY UH, THE COMMISSION CAN CHOOSE TO REVIEW THE CASE, UH, IN HIS ABSENCE OR POSTPONE THE REQUEST. 
          IS THIS THE FIRST TIME IT'S HEARD? YES. 
          THIS IS A NEW CASE. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, CORRECT? NOT HERE VIRTUALLY AT ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED THAT WE POSTPONE. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          MOOKA 
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AYE. 
          EVA AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER 20 PLEASE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 27 7 7 0 5 EAST WOODLAWN. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING AND ASBE ASBESTOS SHINGLE SIDING WITH BOARD AND BATTEN CLADDING TWO INFILL THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR. 
          THREE. 
          REPLACE THREE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS WITH A MODIFIED FENESTRATION PATTERN. 
          FOUR. 
          MODIFY THE FRONT DOOR OPENING AND REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR WITH A FRONT DOOR AND SIDELIGHTS FIVE. 
          INFILLED TWO WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION. 
          SIX INFILLED TWO WINDOWS ON THE REAR ELEVATION AND SEVEN, REMOVE THE CHIMNEY. 
          RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING WOOD SIDING WITH BOARD AND BATTEN CLADDING BASED ON FINDING. 
          C. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINS THE EXISTING ONE 17 WOOD SIDING AND THAT ANY REPLACEMENT SIDING INSTALLED TO REPLACE BOARDS THAT ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR MATCHES THE PROFILE DIMENSIONS, MATERIAL AND FINISH OF THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING. 
          THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA ITEM TWO. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT DOOR INFILL ON THE FRONT FACADE BASED ON FINDING D. 
          ITEM THREE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT FACADE WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS NEW FULLY WOOD WINDOWS IN THE PROPOSED LOCATION THAT MATCHED THE PREVIOUS SET OF GANGED WINDOWS IN SIZE TYPE CONFIGURATION, MATERIAL FORM, APPEARANCE AND DETAIL BASED ON FINDING E AND THOSE WINDOWS MUST MEET STAFF'S. 
          STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          ITEM FOUR STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT DOOR OPENING MODIFICATION AND THE FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING F. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD CRAFTSMAN STYLE DOOR WITHOUT SIDELIGHTS ON THE EAST FACING ELEVATION OF THE PORCH AND A WINDOW OR DOOR OPENING ON THE STREET FACING FACADE OF THE FRONT PORCH. 
          UPDATED ELEVATION, DRAWINGS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA ITEM FIVE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INFILL OF TWO WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION. 
          BASED ON FINDING G. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL SALVAGED OR NEW FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS AND SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          ITEM SIX. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE INFILL OF TWO WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE REAR ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INFILLS THE WINDOW OPENINGS WITH SIDING THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING AND MATERIAL DIMENSIONS PROFILE AND FINISH. 
          ITEM SEVEN. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CHIMNEY REMOVAL BASED ON FINDING I STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RECONSTRUCTS THE CHIMNEY TO MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING AND MATERIAL DIMENSIONS AND DETAIL. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT DETAILED MEASURED DRAWINGS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA AS A CASE COMMENT THIS REQUEST IS A COMPLIANCE CASE. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT DID RECEIVE A PERMIT IN MARCH OF 2024 FOR INTERIOR WORK ONLY. 
          UM, TWO MONTHS LATER PERMITTING STAFF DID MODIFY THAT PERMIT LANGUAGE TO INCLUDE SIDING REPLACEMENT, WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT AS WELL. 
          AND SO THE APPLICANT WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THEY DID HAVE A PERMIT FOR THESE SCOPES OF WORK. 
          THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL TO BE HEARD AND THE APPLICANT EVELYN FENNER IS WITH US IN PERSON. 
           HELLO, MY NAME IS EVELYN FENNER AND I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF 7 0 5 EAST WOODLAND AVENUE, ICAL HOMES LLC. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS OUR COMPANY'S REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVALS OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN. 
          BEFORE I BEGIN DISCUSSING EACH ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU ALL A BRIEF BACKGROUND OF HOW WE HAVE GOTTEN HERE TODAY. 
          CAR HOMES LSC IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION HOME BUILDER WHO SPECIALIZES MOSTLY IN AREAS UP BY 10 LINK FAIR OAKS RANCH IN BURNEY. 
          IN 2017, CAR HOMES BEGAN TO PURCHASE PROPERTIES FOR RENOVATION PROJECTS, ALTHOUGH THIS IS THE FIRST PROPERTY THAT THAT WE HAVE RAN INTO A HISTORIC DISTRICT IN DECEMBER OF 2023. 
          CARRICK HOMES LLC PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY FROM GOLDLINE INVESTMENTS, LLC, AN INVESTMENT COMPANY. 
          WE HAVE PURCHASED MANY PROPERTIES FROM BEFORE. 
          AT THE TIME WE WERE UNAWARE OF THE PROPERTY BEING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT DUE TO THE LACK OF STREET SIGNS AND OUR IGNORANCE OF NOT DOING ADDITIONAL RESEARCH. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR DEEP REGRET TO THE FACT WE ARE HERE TODAY AND WE ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE POSITION WE ARE IN. 
          WE ARE NOT A COMPANY THAT WOULD NEGLECT THE PROPERTY PROCESS FOR ANY PROJECT WE COMPLETE. 
          HOWEVER, THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE ACTIONS OF WHAT'S BROUGHT US HERE. 
          I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS OUR WILLINGNESS TO 
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ADHERE TO YOU ALL TODAY I'D LIKE TO MENTION IN JULY OF 2023 WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY OF THREE 14 CHARLES STREET AT THE COUNTY AUCTION. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE RIVER ROAD DISTRICT ONLY DOWN THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY OF DISCUSSION TODAY WE DID NOT COMPLETE ANY EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS ON THIS PROPERTY AND DID NOT NEED MUCH WORK TO TURN AND SELL. 
          BUT NEEDLESS TO SAY, WE STILL NEVER RAN INTO ANY ISSUES OR MENTIONS OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT AT THE TIME. 
          ONCE WE WERE READY TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ON THE RENOVATION OF 7 0 5 EAST WOODLAWN, WE TOOK WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE THE NECESSARY STEPS IN OBTAINING PERMITTING FOR THE SCOPE OF WORK WE PLAN TO COMPLETE. 
          WE APPLIED FOR SAID PERMIT IN MARCH OF 2024 AND SAID PERMIT WAS MARKED ACTIVE ON THE DATE OF MARCH 13TH, 2024. 
          WE NEVER RECEIVED ANY KIND OF HOLD DUE TO A HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WE HAD HAD OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WERE REQUIRED. 
          A PERMIT SEEN THE VERBIAGE OF MUST COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE AND CD STANDARDS SLASH MUST COMPLY WITH HISTORIC COA AS APPROVED INSIDE. 
          THE SCOPE OF WORK DID NOT SEEM OUT OF THE NORM AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE SLIDES. 
          UM, MANY OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS CONTAIN THE SAME VERBIAGE AND WERE NOT LOCATED IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THAT BEING SAID, WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN A PARTIAL PASS. 
          WE WERE EVEN ABLE TO OBTAIN A PARTIAL PASS ON A FRAMING INSPECTION ON APRIL 29TH, 2024. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WAS ONLY ONE ITEM NEEDING TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THEY COULD PASS THIS COMPLETELY. 
          AT THAT INSPECTION THERE WAS NEVER ANY MENTION OF, HEY, YOU'RE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND FRANKLY, HOW SHOULD WE HAVE EVEN BEEN ABLE TO SCHEDULE INSPECTIONS OR OBTAIN PERMITTING FOR THIS PROPERTY IF THAT WAS THE CASE IN OUR SCOPE OF WORK WE APPLIED FOR AND WERE PROOFED FOR. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S VERBIAGE REGARDING THE EXTERIOR AMOUNT OF PATIENTS THAT I NOW UNDERSTAND MUST BE APPROVED BY THE HDRC AND THE OHP, BUT THAT WAS NEVER MENTIONED TO US. 
          ALSO, WE CALLED THE CITY MULTIPLE TIMES TO AMEND THE PERMIT TO ADD OR DELETE ITEMS FROM THE SCOPE OF WORK. 
          AS OUR PROJECT KEPT MOVING AND ITEMS HAD TO BE CHANGED, NOT EVEN ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES WE SPOKE WITH MENTIONED THIS HOME. 
          BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE CONTINUED WORK ON THE PROPERTY AND WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE WERE ALLOWED TO UNTIL JULY 9TH, 2024, ALMOST FIVE MONTHS AFTER OUR WORK BEGAN, RACHEL VISITED THE PROPERTY TO ISSUE A STOP WORK ORDER AND KINDLY EXPLAINED WHY WE WERE BEING ISSUED THIS AS WELL AS EXPLAINING WHAT THE NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS WOULD BE. 
          LONG STORY SHORT, THAT IS WHY I'M HERE TODAY AFTER MY TEAM AND I REVIEWED THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON EACH ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE ARE AGREEING TO COMPLY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF ITEM TWO ITEM FIVE AND ITEM SIX. 
          SO I'LL NOT TAKE YOUR TIME TO REVIEW THESE ITEMS, BUT FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS SHOULD ANY ARISE REGARDING SUCH ITEMS. THE FIRST ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IS ITEM ONE. 
          MY TEAM AND I ARE ASKING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING AND ASBESTOS SHINGLE SIDING WITH BOARD AND BATTEN CLADDING. 
          I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT TWO OPTIONS. 
          WE'D LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED THE FIRST BEING THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE, UH, COST EFFECTIVE, AND AN OPTION THAT THE INSPECTOR DANIEL MORENO RECOMMENDED WE DO. 
          AT THE TIME OF THE FRAMING INSPECTION. 
          ON APRIL 29TH, 2024, THE INSPECTOR NOTICED THAT THE ASBESTOS SIDING WAS PEELING OR GONE IN SOME AREAS AND LET US KNOW THAT IF WE COMPLETELY REMOVE THAT IT COULD BE UPWARDS OF $9,000. 
          WE EXPRESSED OUR IDEA OF BOARD AND BATTEN CLATTING AND HE RECOMMENDED THAT WE ACTUALLY PUT THE BOARD AND BATTEN ON TOP OF THE ASBESTOS. 
          WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'D LIKE TO ASK FOR APPROVAL TO AVOID THE OUTRAGEOUS REMOVAL COSTS AND POTENTIAL RISK TO NEIGHBORS WHEN REMOVING ASBESTOS AND ADD THE BOARD AND BATTEN CLADDING ATOP THE CURRENT STATE OF HOME. 
          NOW I KNOW WHAT YOU MUST BE THINKING. 
          WHY LAYER MULTIPLE TYPES OF SIDING? I AGREE THIS DOESN'T INITIALLY SEEM ALL THAT SMART, BUT AS ANYONE ELSE THAT DOES PROJECTS TO THESE DEGREES, BUDGET IS THE MAIN FACTOR IN MAKING DECISIONS LIKE THIS. 
          REMOVING THE ASBESTOS SOCIETY WILL CAUSE A MASSIVE CHANGE IN OUR BUDGET THAT WE'RE NOT PREPARED FOR INITIALLY, BUT WITH THAT COMES OUR SECOND OPTION IF WE MUST REMOVE THE ASBESTOS SOCIETY. 
          AND THEN WE ARE REQUESTING TO ALSO REMOVE THE EXISTING WEATHERING DISGUSTING WOOD SIDING UNDERNEATH AND ADD THE BOARD AND BATTEN AS A FRESH AND ONLY LAYER OF SIDING ON THIS HOME. 
          WE ASK TO DO SO BECAUSE THE CURRENT WATERFALL SIDING IS DETERIORATING BEYOND REPAIR AND AREAS. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE PICTURES HAVE INCLUDED HERE THE AMOUNT OF TIME, LABOR COSTS, MATERIAL COSTS IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE THIS H HOMES EXTERIOR LOOK NICE AND REALLY JUST PRESENTABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE PROUD OF WOULD BE ASTRONOMICAL. 
          ASKING FOR BOARD AND BUTTON CLADDING TO BE THE REPLACEMENT OF BOTH OF THE TWO CURRENT TWO LAYERS OF SIDING DOES NOT SEEM UNREASONABLE AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, PLENTY OF OTHER HOMES IN NEIGHBORHOOD FEATURE BOARD AND BUTTON CLADDING. 
          I'D LIKE TO BRING UP 5 37 WEST CRAIG PLACE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I LAST ONE. 
          THIS HOME WAS ORIGINALLY NOT BORN IN BATTEN ON THE FRONT FACADE AND THEY WERE APPROVED FOR SUCH. 
          NOW I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY CASE AND EVERY HOME IS DIFFERENT, BUT I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS HOME WAS ABLE TO UNDERGO A COMPLETE CHANGE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, I BELIEVE, AND I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE FAITH, THAT THE BOARD IN BATON CLADDING WOULD BRING OUR PROPERTY OF 7 0 5 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE TO LIFE AND REALLY BE AN AMAZING SITE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF RIVER ROAD. 
          NEXT, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM THREE. 
          MY TEAM AND I ARE REQUESTING THE REPLACEMENT 
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OF THE THREE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE WITH NEW WINDOW WOOD WINDOWING WITH A MODIFIED FENESTRATION PATTERN. 
          I LUCKY FOR US, WE REPLACED THESE WITH VINYL WINDOWS PRIOR TO KNOWLEDGE OF THIS PROPERTY BEING IN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE STOP WORK ORDER. 
          AS WE UNDERSTAND VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT ALLOWED. 
          WE HAVE GIVEN UP ON THAT REQUEST, BUT ARE ASKING IF WE CAN TAKE THE WINDOWS FROM ANOTHER REMODEL WE ARE WORKING ON AND PUT THOSE ON THE FRONT FACADE TO NOW REPLACE THE VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED. 
          THE STAFF, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS IS APPROVED WITH THE STIPULATION AND MATCHING THE ORIGINAL SET OF GANG WINDOWS. 
          YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE PARTIAL APPROVAL BUT ARE ASKING FOR ONLY A BIT MORE. 
          THE WINDOWS WE ARE ASKING TO USE WILL NOT COST US ANYTHING ADDITIONAL OTHER THAN SOME LABOR FROM OUR CREW. 
          THESE WINDOWS ARE ALREADY IN OUR HANDS AND WE, ALL WE MUST DO IS INSTALL THEM TO THE HOME. 
          UM, ALSO I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER A BUDGET IS BECOMING TIGHT ON THIS HOME AND WE WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO SAVE WHEREVER POSSIBLE. 
          BEFORE I CONCLUDE, CONCLUDE THIS ITEM. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO REFERENCE THE PROPERTY OF 5 37 WEST CRAIG PLACE. 
          AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE OF THE HOME BEFORE REMODELING, THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE WERE SIMILAR FENESTRATION TO OUR ORIGINAL SET, BUT EVEN WERE BAY WINDOWS AND YET THE CONTRACTOR WAS ABLE TO INSTALL A BEAUTIFUL, MUCH LARGER, EVEN IN SIZE SET OF WINDOWS FLAT TO THE FACADE. 
          I BRING THIS PROPERTY UP AGAIN BECAUSE IT HAS A MUCH SIMILAR LOOK. 
          MY TEAM AND I WOULD LIKE TO ACHIEVE ON OUR PROPERTY AND OUR REQUEST DO NOT SEEM OUT OF THE ORDINARY. 
          NOW, ITEM FOUR, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP SHORT AND SWEET. 
          THE DOOR WE HAVE INSTALLED IS ACTUALLY FROM A CRAFTSMAN STYLE COLLECTION FROM THE MANUFACTURER THAT WE PURCHASE ALL OF OUR HOME FRONT DOORS FROM. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE HIGHLIGHT ON THE PROOF OF PRODUCT CRAFTSMAN IS IDENTIFIED, THIS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WE REPLACE THIS WITH A FULLY WICK CRAFTSMAN STYLE DOOR. 
          THIS WOULD BLOCK MUCH NEEDED SUNLIGHT INTO THE HOME AND WOULD CAUSE THE FRONT LIVING SPACE TO FEEL SMALLER AND MUCH DARKER INSIDE. 
          THE STAFF HAS ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT WE REMOVE THE SIDELIGHTS THAT WE SEE THAT YOU SEE ON THE CURRENT DOOR. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A COMPROMISE AND WE WILL AGREE TO REMOVE THE SIDELIGHTS IF WE CAN PLEASE KEEP THE ORIGINAL CRAFTSMAN STYLE DOOR. 
          AGAIN, THIS WOULD SAVE US A GREAT AMOUNT OF MONEY ON OUR PROJECT. 
          LASTLY, ADAM SEVEN, THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WE RECONSTRUCT THE CHIMNEY THAT WAS REMOVED WHEN CAR HOMES PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. 
          THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO CHIMNEY COMING OUTTA THE ROOF AND INSTEAD OF THE CHIMNEY WAS STOPPED AT THE SOFFIT. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PICTURES WITH THE PLYWOOD PATCHES, THE FIREPLACE DID NOT WORK AND THERE WAS LOTS OF OBVIOUS FIRE DAMAGE ON THE WALLS ONCE WE BEGAN TO PULL OFF SHEET ROCK IN THAT FRONT LIVING ROOM, I HAVE INCLUDED SOME PICTURES OF THAT. 
          UM, THIS CHIMNEY POSED AN EXTREME SAFETY HAZARD, SO WE WENT AHEAD AND REMOVED ALL MASONRY DONE ON THE EXTERIOR AS WELL AS PULLING OUT THE FIREPLACE ON THE INTERIOR AS THERE WAS NO FIXING OF WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE. 
          OF COURSE, THIS BEING BEFORE WE WERE AWARE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE CHIMNEY WAS COMPLETELY INOPERABLE AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO REMAIN IN THE HOME FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CREWS, THE NEIGHBORS, FUTURE BUYERS, AND THE RIVER ROAD DISTRICT AS A WHOLE. 
          WE'RE ASKING THAT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE STAFF IS TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF THE CHIMNEY AND NOT ASK US TO RECONSTRUCT THIS IN THE HOME. 
          THIS RECONSTRUCTION COULD COST UPWARDS OF $10,000 FOR MASONRY PLUMBING WORK AND LABOR, WHICH WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE IN AIR BUDGET AT THIS TIME. 
          AS I CONCLUDE MY STATEMENTS REGARDING MY TEAM AND I'S REQUEST, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND ASK FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER THESE ITEMS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, VOICEMAIL PLEASE. 
          THIS IS CHRIS CRYSTAL. 
          I LIVE IN THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I'M ALSO ON THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC COMMITTEE. 
          I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 2 7 7. 
          IT'S 7 0 5 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE. 
          I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT CONCLUDE THE POLICE MASK? IT DOES, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE, UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION PLEASE? YES, I HAVE JUST A FEW. 
          SO STAFF, REAL QUICK, HOW DID, HOW DID, HOW DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THIS AGAIN? YES, THIS CAME TO US AS A REPORT. 
          UM, AND SO STAFF DID A SITE VISIT TO CONFIRM THAT WORK WAS TAKING PLACE AND THAT'S WHEN WE MET AND ISSUED THE STOP WORK ORDER. 
          OKAY, SO THIS DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED THROUGH THE PERMIT PERMITTING PROCESS? CORRECT. 
          UM, SO AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS PROJECT RECEIVED AN INTERIOR WORK ONLY PERMIT AND THEN THE LANGUAGE OF THE PERMIT WAS CHANGED TWO MONTHS LATER AND THERE WAS NOT AN ADDITIONAL HISTORIC REVIEW ADDED TO THE PERMIT, WHICH WOULD BE THE PROPER PROCEDURE. 
          AND SO THE APPLICANT WAS NOT NOTIFIED, UH, THROUGH THE PERMITTING SYSTEM THAT ADDITIONAL REVIEW IS REQUIRED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THESE CHANGES, RIGHT? AS IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW, THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE, OF THE APPLICANT? WELL, UM, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOTIFIED THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS HISTORIC DURING THE PURCHASING PROCESS, BUT WE DO HEAR QUITE OFTEN THAT NEW BUYERS ARE NOT AWARE THAT THEY HAVE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE PROPERTY PROCESS WOULD'VE TRIGGERED THIS, RIGHT? CORRECT, YES. 
          MONTHS OR MONTHS AGO, I'M ASSUMING? CORRECT. 
          OKAY, 
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THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS? YES, MR. CHAIR? AND I WOULD AGREE, UM, THERE IS AN INFORMATION ON BE COUNTY. 
          UM, SO YOU, YOU WERE EXPLICITLY, UM, ABOUT ITEM THREE AND FOUR AND SEVEN. 
          I HAVE A STAFF CAN STAFF SHOW US WHAT THE CHIMNEY LOOKED LIKE. 
          DO WE HAVE A PICTURE OF IT? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A PHOTO IN THE CASE FILE, BUT I CAN BRING UP, UM, GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND WE CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT EVEN THOUGH THERE IS QUITE A LOT OF BREATH BREADTH. 
          SO LIKE DO WE HAVE ANYTHING, IF WE WERE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO RECONSTRUCT IT, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD SAY, OKAY, THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE A GOOD RECONSTRUCTION OPTION? I THINK SO, YES. 
          I'LL PULL UP THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS ONE QUESTION AND THEN NUMBER QUESTION NUMBER FOUR ALSO, WHAT DID THE FRONT DOOR LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOW MODIFIED THE OPENING, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          WAS THERE TWO FRONT DOORS? 'CAUSE THAT WAS COMMON? YES. 
          SO THERE WAS THE TWO FRONT DOORS, THERE WAS THE ONE ON THE FRONT FACADE, UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THOSE THREE GANG WINDOWS. 
          UM, AND THE STAFF HAS APPROVED, UM, APPROVED THAT WE WERE TO DELETE THAT ONE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO THERE WAS ONE OVER THERE AND THEN ONE OVER BY THE WINDOWS WAS ACTUALLY, SO THERE WAS THREE ALMOST. 
          SO THE FRONT ONE HERE TO THE LEFT, AND THEN ONCE WE STARTED PULLING SHEET ROCK DOWN THAT WE NOTICED THAT THE WALL HERE, THERE WAS ANOTHER DOOR MM-HMM. 
           THAT THEY HAD CLOSED OFF AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THAT OTHER ONE. 
          SO WE WERE ASKING TO REMOVE BOTH OF THE CURRENT ONES AND REPLACE THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR ON THAT SIDE. 
          UM, YEAH, SO IN ITEM TWO MM-HMM, , THAT'S APPROVING THE INFILL CORRECT? OF OF THE FRONT ONE? YES. 
          WE'RE NEVER EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT THIRD ONE. 
          THAT IS ALWAYS, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN INFILLED. 
          YES. 
          SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE ITEMS, ITEMS TWO IS REFERENCING THE INFILL OF THIS FRONT FACADE DOOR, WHICH STAFF BELIEVES TO BE A LATER MODIFICATION AND NOT ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THAT'S REFERENCING THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY DONE, WHICH IS THE INSTALLATION OF A DOOR WITH TWO SIDELIGHTS THAT'S FACING THE SIDE PROPERTY HERE. 
          AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT EITHER A DOOR OPENING OR A WINDOW OPENING IS INSTALLED ON THE STREET FACING ELEVATION OF THE FRONT PORCH. 
          UM, AS THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY A DOOR HERE FOR THIS SURVEY PHOTO AND WE'VE AGREED TO COMPLY WITH THAT TO PUT A, UH, WINDOW OR A DOOR OPENING THERE. 
          SO BECAUSE THAT DOOR OPENING DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE, BUT THAT WAS PROBABLY THE ORIGINAL OR NOT. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK, STEPH, CAN YOU CLARIFY? UM, THAT THERE WAS A DOOR OPENING THERE WHEN YOU PURCHASED THE PROPERTY OR THAT WAS ENCLOSED ALREADY? SO THAT WAS ALREADY ENCLOSED, BUT ONCE WE STARTED TO PULL SHEET ROCK OFF OF THE INTERIOR, THERE WAS THE, UM, FOR THE SIDE FACING ELEVATION, THE FRAME FOR THE SIDE FACING CORRECT. 
          FOR WHERE YOU WANT THE FRONT DOOR NOW? CORRECT. 
          BUT THE OTHER ONE THAT'S RIGHT NOW MARKED THAT WAS STILL THERE, THAT WAS STILL THERE WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND IT GOES INTO ONE OF THE BEDROOMS. SO WE ARE ASKING THAT WE JUST PUT A WINDOW THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN SO STAFF IS NOT ASKING TO RETAIN THAT DOOR, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT EITHER A DOOR OPENING OR A WINDOW OPENING IS, IS INSTALLED THERE. 
          SO WE WOULD SUPPORT THE WINDOW INSTALLATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I DO HAVE THE CHIMNEY, UM, PULLED UP FROM GOOGLE STREET VIEW THAT I CAN PUT ON THE SCREEN NOW. 
          MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION. 
          GO AHEAD SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YOU'VE AGREED TO A FEW OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED, SO I'M GONNA MOVE. 
          SO MAY I HAVE A QUESTION? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER SABINO. 
          UM, THE QUESTION I HAD RE REFERS TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE SOME IN YOUR STOCK, SOME CORRECT, UM, SALVAGED WINDOWS. 
          ARE THESE YES. 
          ARE THERE GONNA BE SALVAGED? UM, YES. 
          THEY'RE FROM ANOTHER PROJECT. 
          AND DO THEY YES, THOSE ARE THE, UH, THE SALVAGED ONES THAT WE WOULD REMOVE FROM ANOTHER PROPERTY OF OURS. 
          AND DO THOSE UNITS MATCH THE PROPORTION AND THE SIZE OF THE ROUGH OPENINGS? I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL. 
          SO, UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR THE STAFF TO, UH, REVIEW THOSE, BUT UM, THEY ARE FULLY WOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, YEAH, SALVAGE, SALVAGE IS GOOD. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO TO CLARIFY, THE CHIMNEY, UH, THE PART ABOVE THE ROOF LINE WAS NOT THERE, WAS NOT THERE, CORRECT. 
          WHEN YOU PURCHASED THE HOUSE, IT WAS JUST THE, UH, FIREPLACE PART IN THE CHIMNEY 
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BELOW THE EVE? YES, CORRECT. 
          AND I INCLUDED PICTURES AS WELL AS ON MY, ON MY PRESENTATION. 
          YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE TOP OF THE ROOF IS COMPLETELY CLOSED, SO THERE'S NOT AN ACTUAL, UM, HOLE FOR THE CHIMNEY, SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER SERV, GO AHEAD. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF THE THING THAT IRKS ME ABOUT THE PROCESS, RIGHT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUYERS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, I THINK THE ING PROCESS SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT, CAUGHT A LOT OF THIS, RIGHT? UM, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION, UH, WITH MY FEDERAL COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M UP TO AMENDING IT IF NECESSARY, BUT I MOVE THAT THIS BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED TO INCLUDE THE STIPULATIONS THAT YOU AGREE WITH, WITH STAFF RIGHT NOW THAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          UH, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND DISCUSS, DO THERE A SECOND? I, I WOULD, SORRY, SECOND, IF THERE'S NO SECOND, UM, MOTION DIES OR LACK OF A SECOND, UM, HAVE A NEW MOTION PLEASE IF I MAY. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY, UM, APPROVAL OF ITEM APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER THREE, WITH THE, UM, PROPOSED REUSE OF THREE GANG WINDOWS THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, PRESENTED TODAY. 
          APPROVAL OF ITEM, I WILL, SORRY, I WILL NOT, UM, APPROVE ITEM FOUR OR APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE AND SIX WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND APPROVAL ITEM SEVEN AS PRESENTED TODAY. 
          ITEM ONE AND IT'S NOT, YOU DIDN'T MENTION ITEM ONE, NOT, UH, RECOMMEND, UH, ITEM ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OR SAY MOVE AS STAFF RECOMMENDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION PLEASE. 
          LET ME CLARIFY. 
          SO ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE BOARD AND BATTEN, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THIS. 
          UM, YOU CALLED IT UGLY WOOD SIGHTING. 
          THAT'S UNREPAIRABLE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. 
          AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH OTHER PROPERTIES IS IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE THE, UH, ASBESTOS AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHICH PARTS YOU WANNA REPAIR AND WHICH ONES YOU WANNA COMPLETELY REPLACE TO PICK IT UP AS STAFF, ESPECIALLY ON THE PARTS THAT IS NON-EXISTENT NOW, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE, I THINK AS MUCH AS THE ORIGINAL WE WANT TO KEEP. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          UM, AND THEN I GUESS ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT WAS FINE. 
          AND THEN ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE'RE CLEAR, RIGHT? WITH THE WINDOWS THAT YOU PROPOSED TODAY? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN ITEM NUMBER FOUR, I DID LEAVE. 
          I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS ALREADY DONE ON THE DOORS AND JUST KEEPING SOME OF THE ORIGINAL ENTRY DOORS THAT WOULD BE NOT HAVING THE SIDE LIGHTS BUT KEEPING, YOU KNOW, A CRAFTMAN THE HOUSE DOOR. 
          I THINK YOU CAN, I THINK THAT'S A COMPROMISE I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH BECAUSE IF NOT, WE'RE BASICALLY HAVE REMOVED ALL ORIGINAL ENTRIES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ALL ORIGINALLY MODIFIED EVERYTHING, RIGHT? MM-HMM, . 
          AND THEN ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, I, THE CHIMNEY HAD ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, CLOSED UP, WHICH IS SOMETIMES THE SOLUTION THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED. 
          I DO SEE THE, THAT THE PICTURES DO SHOW THAT THE CHIMNEY, UM, HAD BEEN SEPARATED FROM THE WALL. 
          UM, I DO NOT FEEL THIS POINT, UM, A RECONSTRUCTION IS, IS NEEDED. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON MORE ON THE OTHER ITEMS AND THAT BE KIND OF A COMPROMISE AS WELL BECAUSE OF ALL THE PERMITTING AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH. 
          MAY I ASK A QUESTION, UM, ON NUMBER FOUR. 
          UM, SO STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE, UH, JUST REMOVE THE DOOR THAT WE'VE ALREADY INSTALLED THE DOOR WITH THE SIDELIGHTS. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE ASKING THAT WE PUT A FULLY WOOD DOOR THERE AS WELL AS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT OF THAT ONE. 
          UM, KEEP THAT DOOR. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OH NO. 
          SO IT'S, YES. 
          SO I THINK WHAT I UNDERSTOOD ALSO FROM STAFF IS MM-HMM, . 
          SO WE CAN PUT A DOOR THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , RIGHT? YES. 
          A SINGLE DOOR, NO SIDE LIGHTS. 
          AND 
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ON THE OTHER WALL STAFF IS OPEN TO EITHER DOOR OR A WINDOW. 
          OKAY? YES. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, RACHEL? CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MORE FOR THE COMMISSION THAT I WAS ALSO CLARIFYING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CLEAR FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT I THINK JUST BECAUSE OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS A LEG TO STAND ON WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          UM, STAFF I WILL ASK IS, IS MILLER HERE SHANNON MILLER? NO. 
          WELL, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE LAST 30 DAYS THAT WE'VE HAD THE PERMITTING PROCESS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS AND SOMEONE GETS SOMETHING DONE. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT YOUR OFFICE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOUR BOSS NEEDS TO TALK TO THEIR BOSS AND KIND OF STRAIGHTEN THIS STUFF OUT BECAUSE SHE HAS A LEGITIMATE GRIPE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF CONTEST THIS ABOVE US, RIGHT? SO, UH, LUCKILY SHE'S WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND SHE'S WILLING TO KIND OF SEE THIS THROUGH AND GET THINGS DONE TO, TO GET HER PROJECT FORWARD. 
          BUT I, I DON'T LIKE THE PROCESS LIKE THIS FAILING BOTH US AND THE APPLICANTS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND SHE IS WATCHING AND WE'VE BEEN TEXTING ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND COULD THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ON ITEM ONE SINCE WE ARE DENYING HER REQUEST ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? YEAH. 
          ANY DENIED ITEM COULD BE A APPEALED, SO I'M ALSO LEAVING THAT AS AN OPTION FOR YOU. 
          I'M SORRY, CAN A, CAN CLARIFY LATER. 
          OKAY. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS ON ITEM NUMBER ONE IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          SO, UM, I I WON'T BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMPLIANCE CASE 'CAUSE I MEAN, I, COMPLIANCE CASES REALLY, REALLY RUB ME, BUT LIKE I SAID, IN YOUR SITUATION, IT'S CLEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T, WEREN'T AWARE AND SO SOMETHING FELL BETWEEN THE CRACKS THERE. 
          SO YES. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES OR THINGS, THINGS YOU DID YOU, UM, PURCHASE OR DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE CHECK THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SHE, YES, WE HAVE DEFINITELY LEARNED OUR LESSON. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MAY I HAVE A, UM, ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          KIVA AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER 21 PLEASE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21 HDRC CASE 2024 DASH 2 88 4 24 CLUB DRIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO MODIFY THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR CONFIGURATION FROM TWO SEPARATE SINGLE LEAF DOORS TO A DOUBLE DOOR. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATION OF THESE EXISTING FRONT DOOR CONFIGURATION BASED ON FINDING B AND THE PROPERTY OWNER CHRISTINA VI, IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          UM, MY NAME IS CHRISTINE VIAL AND UM, I'M HERE TO REQUEST THE CHANGE TO THE FRONT DOOR. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE THIS HOME FROM A DUPLEX TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          UM, I MYSELF ACTUALLY DESIGNED THE INSIDE, UM, WITH KEEPING MY OWN FAMILY IN MIND. 
          I WAS ABLE TO CREATE, UH, TWO MASTER BEDROOMS OUTTA THE HOUSE, THREE BEDROOMS AND FOUR FULL BATHS WITH THE GAME ROOM. 
          UM, AGAIN, THAT WAS KEEPING MY FAMILY IN MIND BECAUSE MY FATHER LIVES WITH ME AND THEN I HAVE TWO YOUNG KIDS, SO I TRY TO INCORPORATE MY OWN LIVING STYLE AT THE CURRENT MOMENT. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG ONGOING PROJECT THAT WE'VE HAD AND, UM, WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE. 
          WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE EXTERIOR THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST. 
          UM, ONE OF 'EM WAS, UM, A STAIRCASE BEING REMOVED IN THE BACK BECAUSE THAT WAS FOR THE DUPLEX ON THE LEFT SIDE AND IT NEEDED, UM, SINCE IT WAS AN UPSTAIRS UNIT, IT NEEDED AN EMERGENCY EXIT OUT AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT REMOVED. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, UM, WE DO NOT NEED THE SECOND DOOR ANYMORE BECAUSE IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY. 
          WE ONLY NEED A ONE, UM, SORRY, ONE DOOR TO GET INSIDE THE HOUSE, BUT AS YOU CAN TELL BY LOOKING AT THE WINDOWS, THOSE ARE THE TWO DOORS. 
          THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE WAS FOR THE UPSTAIRS UNIT, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE WAS FOR THE DOWNSTAIRS UNIT. 
          UM, I DEFINITELY WANNA PRESERVE EVERYTHING WITHIN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, AND I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE MUCH ABOUT THIS. 
          I WANT TO KEEP IT A DOUBLE DOOR. 
          UM, SO WE CAN DEFINITELY PRESERVE THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO 
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MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UM, USABLE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY. 
          UM, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE BEAM OUT OF THE MIDDLE AND PUT A DOUBLE DOOR THERE. 
          I PUT AN EXAMPLE AS A DOUBLE DOOR. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UM, IN THE LATE FILE, I ALSO PUT A FEW MORE CHOICES, UM, THAT I SUBMITTED TODAY BEFORE NOON. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANNA LOOK AT THOSE AS WELL, BUT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS JUST TRY TO KEEP THE IDEA OF WHAT'S THERE NOW AND, AND NOT THAT COLOR. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULD USE THE BROWN. 
          WE WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO, UM, TO GET APPROVED. 
          ANYTHING YOU GUYS SUGGEST OR RECOMMEND. 
          UM, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO, BECAUSE THE CURRENT ONE HAS A SMALL WINDOW, UM, ON EACH SIDE OF THE DOORS, SO I'M WILLING TO AGAIN, DO WHATEVER THERE IT IS THAT WHATEVER WE HAVE TO. 
          UM, BUT IT IS A NICE, UH, HOUSE INSIDE. 
          IT'S BEEN COMPLETELY UPDATED AND REMODELED AND I THINK FOR THAT AREA, THE NEIGHBORS, UM, I THINK IT'D BE APPRECIATED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S REALLY, I MEAN, THAT'S TRULY IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M, I'M HOPING THAT THIS, BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS NOT A DUPLEX ANYMORE AND IT'S JUST A SINGLE FAMILY THAT IT'S UNDERSTOOD WHY WE REALLY NEED TO DO THIS AND TRY TO, I MEAN, AESTHETICALLY AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, IT, THERE'S NO NEED FOR TWO DOORS. 
          UM, AND THOSE CURRENT DOORS TOO, JUST, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF BREAK-INS DURING THIS REMODEL AND THOSE TWO DOORS, UM, THEY, THEY GOT IN, UH, THEY ACTUALLY JUST RECENTLY STOLE, UH, FANS CHANDELIERS. 
          I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT INSTALLED THAT WAS JUST SITTING THERE ON THE FLOOR. 
          SO AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO DO ANYTHING YOU GUYS SUGGEST. 
          I JUST REALLY NEED ONE DORK. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          IS THERE NO VOICEMAIL, NO VOICEMAILS AND NO LETTERS IN YOUR PACKET? UM, THAT BEAM DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE CONNECT CONNECTED IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY TO THE REST OF THE, UH, UH, BUILDING AREA UP THERE RIGHT ABOVE THE DOORS. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PRESERVE THE BEAM AND, AND THE FRAMING AROUND THAT JUST FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT, IF YOU DECIDED IF WE, IF ANOTHER DOOR WAS APPROVED, WHAT? I MEAN YES, BUT LIKE TAKE IT DOWN. 
          TAKE IT DOWN AND KEEP, KEEP IT, YEAH. 
          KEEP THE MATERIAL RIGHT? OH YEAH. 
          OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, AND THEN IN YOUR DESIGN, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT A DESIGN THAT KIND OF LENDS TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A TWO DOORS AND THIS WAS A DUPLEX IN ITS HEYDAY? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING KIND OF KEEPING YEAH, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I SEE. 
          FUNCTIONALLY IT DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE. 
          I THINK THAT'D ACTUALLY BE A BEAUTIFUL FEATURE FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT I MEAN WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, HEY, THAT LOOKS ALMOST, LOOKS LIKE A HEY, GUESS WHAT? IT WAS A DOUBLE, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. 
          I I I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GONNA GET APPROVED, I'M JUST WONDERING. 
          YEAH, NO, I MEAN I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION BECAUSE IT IS IN THE HISTORICAL PART. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I, WHEN I GUTTED THE INSIDE AND REDID THE INSIDE, WE OBVIOUSLY, I GOT, UM, AN ENGINEER AND AN ARCHITECT TO HELP ME. 
          SO I WOULD, AGAIN, IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS COULD AGREE ON, I WOULD DEFINITELY USE THEM AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW BY YOUR GUIDELINES AND WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP STAFF SAYS THAT, UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST DENIED 2022 WITH A DIFFERENT OWNER, BUT IT'S STATING THE SAME OWNER. 
          THE PERMIT IN OUR PACKAGE SAYS TRIO INVESTMENT PARTNERS AND THE APPLICANT TODAY SAYS TRIO INVESTMENT PARTNERS. 
          WE JUST, UM, AT THE TA UH, HOLD ON, LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS REALLY QUICK. 
          AND I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS, UM, WE'RE NO LONGER TRIO INVESTMENTS. 
          I HAD THREE PARTNERS INVOLVED IN THIS IN THE VERY BEGINNING AND ONE OF THE PARTNERS WAS, UH, STEALING FROM US. 
          SO TOOK WELL, BUT YOU'RE THE SAME, WERE PART OF THE DESIGN INITIALLY WHEN WE DENIED THE DOUBLE DOOR. 
          YES. 
          AND YOU'RE STILL PART OF THE SAME, CORRECT? YES. 
          I JUST DIDN'T COME TO THAT HEARING THAT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          OR JUST FOR A QUICK CASE COMMENT. 
          SO YES, I, AND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, BUT ALSO THE APPLICANT WAS DIFFERENT TOO. 
          SO THE APPLICANT WAS MARK RAMIREZ AND THAT TODAY IS OBVIOUSLY NOT HIM. 
          SO THAT IT'S JUST A TYPO. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STILL THE SAME PROJECT OVERALL. 
          IT HASN'T CHANGED HANDS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN MAYBE NAMES, MAYBE 
          [02:30:01]
PEOPLE. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE MR. CHAIR, LEMME SEE IF I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          NO QUESTIONS. 
          OH, UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER ANTES. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY WHAT YOU WERE INTENDING? WELL, I, I THINK WHAT I'M, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST, UH, COMING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, I'M THINKING THAT IF SOMETHING IS THERE THAT WOULD PROVIDE THEM THE FUNCTION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME GIVE THE CHARACTER, I DON'T WANNA SAY THE ILLUSION, BUT KIND OF LEAN ON THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE THAT IT WAS A DOUBLE OR IT WAS A DUPLEX. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE, THAT'S PART OF THE HISTORY. 
          SO MAYBE A REMOVABLE BEAM OR MAYBE SOMETHING A DIFFERENT COLOR IN THE CENTER THAT, YOU KNOW, DOORS, WHEN THE DOORS CLOSE THEY COME, THE REPLACEMENT WITH THE RIGHT. 
          JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, STILL KIND OF KEEP THE CHARACTER. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A CUSTOM DOOR. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A ONE OFF DOOR. 
          OH, FOR SURE. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT IS IF YOU'RE GOING THAT FAR, THAT'S WHY I WAS GOING FROM THIS. 
          YES. 
          WHAT I, I WAS MISSING SOMETHING IN THERE. 
          SO, UM, TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, OR JUST BRIEFLY, WHEN YOU SAY THIS IS NOT FUNCTIONAL TO HAVE TWO DOORS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL ABOUT THE DOORS. 
          AND WONDERING, ISN'T IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CHOOSE THE DOOR YOU WANT IN THE LOCATION? MAYBE YOU HAVE TO FLIP THE SWINGS TO MAKE IT WORK WITH YOUR FLOOR PLAN. 
          FLOOR PLAN AND JUST SHEET ROCK OVER THE DOOR ON THE INSIDE. 
          ON THE INSIDE AND, AND KEEPING THE OUTSIDE. 
          SO, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY BEFORE COMING HERE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I GUESS I DIDN'T GET A GOOD PICTURE OF THE INSIDE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CLICK ON THE INSIDE PHOTO FOR ME. 
          THE STAIRCASE THOUGH, IS RIGHT, LIKE RIGHT THERE WHEN YOU'RE OPENING IT. 
          OH, WHEN YOU SEE IT FROM THE RIGHT SIDE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A STAIRCASE RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S LEADING UP. 
          UM, I MEAN WHEN I, I GUESS I GUESS THEY'RE FUNCTIONAL MAYBE, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE TWO FRONT DOORS. 
          AND FOR I GUESS SECURITY PURPOSES IT'S BECAUSE THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO MULTIPLE TIMES. 
          IT DOES. 
          CAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A ANOTHER REASON. 
          DO YOU REALIZE IT'S COMMON, IT'S A COMMON PRACTICE TO MAINTAIN WINDOWS AND DOORS? MM-HMM. 
           SECURE THEM. 
          TAKE THE HARDWARE OFF. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND THEN SHEET ROCK OVER. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVE YOU SEEN FROM THE, I YEAH. 
          WE, AND AGAIN, WE, WE SPOKE TO SOMEBODY HERE AND WE CONSIDERED IT. 
          UM, I GUESS JUST FROM THE OUTSIDE, AESTHETICALLY SOMEONE, I'M JUST, I'M A REALTOR MYSELF, SO I'M JUST THINKING WHENEVER I GO OUT, I'M LOOKING, IF I SAW TWO FRONT DOORS, I WOULD JUST BE LIKE, WHAT'S THE NEED FOR TWO DOORS? EVEN THOUGH LIKE FROM THE OUTSIDE, JUST WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS WHEN, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN USING IT. 
          IF WE DO CLOSE IT OFF, THEN IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, IT'S LIKE ONE OF THESE THINGS. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S JUST, I THINK IT COMES DOWN, I, I'M BEING HONEST, I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO AN AESTHETIC THING AND WHAT I SEE FROM A BUYER'S PERSPECTIVE AS A REALTOR THAT COME UP ABOUT THINGS. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VICE CHAIR THAT. 
          YES. 
          UM, FOLLOWING ON THE LINES OF COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, I'M INCLINED THAT THESE ARE HISTORIC, UH, ARTIFACTS AND OUR CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE HOUSE. 
          IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS A DUPLEX WITH THE TWO DOORS. 
          SO I THINK TELLING THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE IS IMPORTANT. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, YOU'VE SAID YOU'VE DISCUSSED, UH, OR THOUGHT OF SHEET ROCKING ON THE INSIDE OF ONE OF THE DOORS. 
          YES SIR. 
          UM, WHICH DOOR WOULD YOU ACTUALLY SHEET ROCK USE AS USE AS OPERABLE. 
          UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE, WE WOULD USE THE RIGHT DOOR. 
          RIGHT? BECAUSE THE LEFT DOOR JUST, IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE STAIRCASE WHEN YOU OPEN IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WELL, WHAT I'M THINKING, I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION. 
          'CAUSE MINE IS MORE DISCUSSION. 
          EXACTLY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          GOOD. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          I THINK STAFF HAS A RIGHT. 
          AND I MOVE TO DINNER, SIR. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          MOVE TO SECOND FOR THIS SESSION. 
          AND JUST MS. COMMISSIONER FETZER, I THINK LEAVING THE OPTIONS OF WHATEVER SHE DOES ON THE INSIDE, IT'S LEAVING IT OPEN. 
          I WOULD NOT WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION AS IF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M GONNA JUSTIFY A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          SO I DO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE ARE, I THINK MOST OF THE HOMES HAVE THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS. 
          I I MEAN OVER 90%. 
          IT'S VERY RARE THAT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN ANY MODIFICATIONS OF ORIGINAL OPENINGS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S THE FOCUS HERE, IS TRYING NOT TO MODIFY ORIGINAL OPENINGS. 
          UM, YOU THINK IT'S WEIRD? I THINK 
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IT'S SUPER COOL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I THINK IT'S A STATEMENT. 
          SOMETHING YOU CAN TALK ABOUT. 
          IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOD, YOUR DOOR, YOUR HOUSE HAS TWO DOORS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WHETHER YOU DECIDE WHAT TO DO ON THE INSIDE, IT'S COMPLETELY, YOUR HOUSE IS BEING BROKEN AND IT'S EMPTY. 
          IT'S BEEN REMODELING FOR A LONG TIME. 
          PEOPLE KNOW, OF COURSE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE. 
          SO SECURITY WISE, I THINK THERE'S, UH, SOLUTIONS TO THAT. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS IN OUR PURVIEW HERE IS, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE ORIGINAL, THE DOORS LOOK AMAZING. 
          IT'S REALLY PART OF THAT CHARACTER OF THE HOME, ORIGINAL HOME. 
          THEY'VE BEEN THERE SINCE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE LIKE YOU SAW THE CASE BEFORE, ALL THESE MODIFICATIONS, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S ORIGINAL OR NOT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           YOU STILL HAVE TWO AMAZING ORIGINAL DOORS AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES IT, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY CHARACTER DEFINING. 
          SO IS IT TO KEEP, LIKE DO I NEED TO ACTUALLY KEEP THOSE DOORS? I CAN'T EVEN SWITCH THOSE DOORS OUT. 
          THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT, UM OKAY. 
          AND THAT CAN PROBABLY BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED. 
          JUST OKAY. 
          TODAY THE REQUEST IS TO MODIFY MM-HMM. 
           THE DOOR OPENING. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN YOU GUYS THOUGH SAY THAT KEEPING EVERYTHING ORIGINAL, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CLICK ON ONE OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSES. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I TOOK IT, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN ADD-ON TO THIS HOUSE. 
          I MEAN, THE BACK IS COMPLETELY NOT ORIGINAL. 
          THERE WAS A COMPLETE ADD-ON TO THIS HOUSE IN THE BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO I WELL THAT WAS AN ADD-ON. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU'VE, WE'VE ALLOWED YOU TO DO ALL THE CHANGES ON THAT. 
          ADD-ON. 
          THAT'S WHY WE ALLOWED FOR THE CHAIRS. 
          IT WAS FOR THE STAIRS. 
          WE ALSO ALLOWED FOR THE MATERIAL. 
          YOU DID LIKE, I MEAN, I'M NOT YOU'RE DOING AMAZING WORK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S A CORNER PROPERTY. 
          IT'S VERY PROMINENT. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT IN FRONT OF JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. 
          I MEAN THIS PROPERTY HAS GONE THROUGH EXTENSIVE POSITIVE CHANGE. 
          YEAH, FOR SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I IT WAS A FOURPLEX AND KIDS GOING IN AND OUT AT ALL HOURS AND YEAH. 
          DOING STUFF THAT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE LAW. 
          SO I'M LIKE, I AM SURE THIS HOME IS GONNA BE AMAZING FOR OUR FAMILY. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE ACROSS, I THINK, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT SIDE ON CANMAN THAT WAS ALSO WENT THROUGH SOME SIMILAR INSIDE A FAMILY LIVES THERE. 
          UM, BUT ON THE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, WE KEPT THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IS WHAT IS THERE NOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT HAS NOT BEEN MODIFIED IN THE SEVENTIES OR EIGHTIES. 
          NINE BEFORE IT BECAME I UNDERSTAND. 
          LET'S KEEP IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN TO FOLLOW ON THAT, UM, THE DOORS ARE CHARACTER DEFINING TO THE HOUSE. 
          AND, UH, UNLESS THEY ARE COMPLETELY ROTTEN AND, AND STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND, I THINK THEY COULD BE RESTORED, UH, REFINISHED. 
          AND, UM, ONE OPTION IS NOT TO PUT HARDWARE ON THE INOPERABLE DOOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE WALKS UP, THEY SEE THE DOOR HANDLE ON THE, THE ONE THAT OPERATES, UH, BUT FIX THE OTHER ONE IN PLACE SO THAT IF IN THE FUTURE SOMEONE WANTED TO REINSTATE THAT, UH, AS A DOOR AS THE OPTION THEY THEY'D HAVE THAT OPTION. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND MAKING IT FLAT. 
          LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER PROFESSOR SAYS, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE, THE, UH, THE DOORKNOB AND EVERYTHING OFF, YOU CAN ALSO PUT, YOU KNOW, USE, UH, ONE OF THOSE FREESTANDING WROUGHT IRON PLANT PLANTS UP THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN USE THAT SPACE. 
          SO IF YOU THINK IT LOOKS OUR, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL THESE THINGS, IT LOOKS WEIRD WITH TWO DOORS. 
          IT TELLS A STORY AND THEN WHEN PEOPLE WALK UP TO IT, SAY, HEY, THERE WAS, OH, THERE'S A DOUBLE DOOR. 
          THERE WAS, IT WAS A DUPLEX CONVERTED DUPLEX. 
          YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, A FREESTANDING SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THERE TO BLOCK IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, I, I WOULD AGREE. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I LOVE THE DOORS. 
          I THINK THE DOORS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND THEY SAY THEY, THEY COULD BE REFINISHED AND THINGS TO NATURE, BUT I THINK THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL DOORS AND DEFINITELY CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. 
          SO I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE DOORS. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, LIKE COMMISSIONER GROUP, I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU DO ON THE INSIDE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO YOU. 
          BUT LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE AND THEY SAY REMOVING IT, UM, THE HARDWARE LIKE COMMISSIONER FEER MENTIONED IS A, UM, GREAT IDEA AS WELL. 
          SO I, I THINK THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL DORIS. 
          SO, UM, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSION? NOT MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I'M NOT MOTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          CASTILLO. 
          AYE. 
          SINO. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          GIDA. 
          AYE GROUP. 
          AY CERVANTES. 
          YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND YOU ARE DOING GREAT WORK ON THE HOUSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU.
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