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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FOR AUGUST 23RD, 2024.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? DAVIS PRESENT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES PLEASE.
I JUST NEED THE CHAIRMAN STATEMENT.
UM, THE COMPLIANCE TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JUANITA PUL CHAIRWOMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JASON VASQUEZ.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DECIDE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF AN DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEPLOYMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR OPPOSED OR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME AND THE SPEAKER, WHEN THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON SPEAKERS, WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE HA ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESENTATION, UH, PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND STAFF.
JUST ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE WE GET INTO BUSINESS.
UM, I WANTED TO INTRODUCE A NEW MEMBER OF THE TEAM, CAITLIN BROWN CLANCY HAS JOINED US AS THE NEW SENIOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST.
SO YOU'LL BE SEEING HERE AT THESE HEARINGS AS ONE OF OUR CASE MANAGERS.
UM, AFTER THAT WE JUST NEED APPROVAL FOR MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JULY 19TH MEETING.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JULY, WHAT WAS THE DATE? 19TH 19TH, 2024.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JULY 19TH, 2024 AND A SECOND.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE A ROLL CALL DAVIS.
REMEMBER TO BE SURE TO PRESS THE BUTTONS ON YOUR MICROPHONES REAL HARD 'CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DON'T COME ON RIGHT AWAY.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
TWO ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA TODAY.UM, EIGHT 20 NORTH ALAMO AND 2 21 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY.
UM, A REMINDER THAT THESE ARE CASES WHERE WE ARE EITHER RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SO CAN WE GET A MOTION PLEASE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, AGENDA ITEMS ONE AND TWO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, UM, WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
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DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.THERE'S A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS EIGHT 20 NORTH ALAMO AND 2 21 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT ITEM NUMBER 3 2 50, QUENTIN AND ITEM NUMBER 8 5 0 2 MADISON HAVE BOTH BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HEARING ON SEPTEMBER THE 20TH.
UH, AND WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, 5 0 1 HAYES.
UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 1 3 9 5 0 1 HAYES.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER PURSUANT TO THE CITY CODE SECTION 35 6 0 8 G TO RECONSIDER PREVIOUSLY, UH, PREVIOUSLY DENIED ITEMS. UH, AND THAT ITEM WOULD BE A, THE INSTALLATION OF A RIDGE AND END CAP TO THE EXISTING STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD THE WAIVER BE GRANTED.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL OF THE ITEMS LISTED ABOVE.
UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A WAIVER TO RECONSIDER.
AT THIS TIME SUBSTANTIAL NEW EVIDENCE SUPPORTING A WAIVER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
UH, AND ITEM NUMBER TWO, IF A WAIVER TO RECONSIDER IS APPROVED, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A RIDGE AND END CAPS TO THE STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON.
UM, JUST REAL QUICK, THE APPLICANT, JOHN GOODWIN AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE, UM, JOSE GALLEGOS, IS HERE IN PERSON.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION, FIRST OF ALL BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT SAYS.
IT SAYS THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND THEN IN TURN RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL.
PLEASE CLARIFY FOR CLARIFICATION.
UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER TO BE CONSIDERED.
SO GENERALLY WHEN SOMETHING, UM, HAS BEEN HEARD, IT TAKES ABOUT ONE YEAR TO COME BACK BECAUSE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO STAFF.
WE ARE ALLOWING YOU TO, WE ARE ALLOWING YOU TO COME BACK.
WE ARE AGREEING THAT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE HAS BEEN HERE AND THE WAIVER SHALL BE GRANTED.
ITEM TWO, IT, WE CANNOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BECAUSE IT DOES NOT CONFORM TO GUIDELINES.
UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL REMEMBER I WAS LIKE ONE OF THE FIRST ROOFS THAT YOU ALL HEARD.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME BEFORE AND I I WILL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AND CONCISE AS I POSSIBLY CAN GO OVER SOME BACK HISTORY.
UM, 2017, I ORIGINALLY GOT APPROVAL FOR A METAL ROOF.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD FOR, UM, FOREVER, BUT IT WASN'T IN THE MEANTIME, I SAVED UP MONEY, GOT ENOUGH MONEY TO GET MY ROOF DONE.
UM, I HAD AN EMERGENCY I HAD TO LEAVE TOWN IN, IN THAT, IN BETWEEN THAT TIME I REALIZED, WELL, I PROBABLY NEED TO CALL AND ASK ABOUT GETTING A ROOF, METAL ROOF PUT ON MY HOUSE.
SO I CALLED AND AND SPOKE TO, UH, MS. ESPINOZA AND SHE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT IT WAS ONLY THAT THE APPROVAL WAS ONLY FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THE, AND THE PRO PROCESS HAS CHANGED THAT NOW THE BOARD HAS TO APPROVE A METAL ROOF AND THE CONDITIONS IN WHICH IT IS, UM, PLACED ON THE, ON THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
SO, UM, COMING BACK, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT MY ROOF LOOKED LIKE UNTIL MS. ESPINOZA CALLED ME AS I PASSED THE SAN ANTONIO CITY LIMIT SIGN, AND SHE TOLD ME THAT MY ROOF WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE AND THAT IT NEEDED TO BE PLACED INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, DOING SOME DUE RESEARCH, UM, ON, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, DRIVING DOWN HAYES STREET FROM NEW BRAUNFELS ONTO THE HAYES STREET BRIDGE.
THERE ARE 36 STRUCTURES THAT HAVE A METAL ROOF.
HALF OF THOSE 18 HAVE ROOFS EXACTLY LIKE MINE, RAISED ROOF CAPS.
SOME HAVE RIDGES IN THE, AND STRIATIONS IN IN BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT AT LEAST HALF OF THEM HAVE, UM, A RAISED ROOF CAP AND END CAP.
UM, THE OTHER OF THE REMAINING 18, ABOUT EIGHT ARE ACTUAL ORIGINAL.
WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN I LOOK AT 'EM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
THE OTHER EIGHT ARE WHAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BY, UM, STAFF TO BE FOR MY ROOF TO LOOK LIKE.
CAN YOU PULL THAT SLIDE UP OF WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, PLEASE, CLAUDIA? THAT ONE.
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PROVIDED, UM, MY ROOFER PREVIOUSLY THE ONE THAT PUT ON MY ROOF, HE'S GONE, UH, THEIR, THEIR COMPANY IS GONE AND MY NEW ROOFER WHO, WHO, UM, CLIMBED UP THERE AND LOOKED AT THE STRUCTURE AND DECIDED THAT IT WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE FISCALLY OR, UM, MATERIAL WISE IN WHICH TO REPLACE MY ROOF TO MEET THESE GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO ME, WHICH INCLUDE IN INCLUDE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UM, UH, ADHESIVE AND SCREWS ON A METAL ROOF.TO ME THAT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE AND EVEN STAFF, I THINK FROM LAST TIME COREY SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THE STRIATIONS AND THE RIDGE CAN CAPPED VENTS ARE, UM, A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN THE PROCESS.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO, UM, MAINTAIN MY ROOF AS IT IS.
AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE, THE PICTURES THAT SHE SHOWED PREVIOUSLY.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT GAP BETWEEN WHERE MY ROOF LINES MEET AND THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.
UM, MY, UH, ROOFER HAS EXPLAINED TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE TO, TO REPLACE THAT AND THAT IT WOULD, WOULD NOT LAST AS LONG AS THE CURRENT STRUCTURE IS.
HE'S SUGGESTING THAT IT MAY NOT LAST UP TO FIVE YEAR, SHOULD LAST UP TO FIVE YEARS, BUT PROBABLY NO MORE THAN 10 WITH, WITH THE CURRENT EXAMPLES GIVEN TO ME.
SO, UM, THAT'S MY, MY CURRENT STATUS BRING YOU ALL UP TO DATE.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, MADAM CHAIR? WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON, SPEAKER OF VANESSA SHELTON.
UM, I SPOKE ON JOHN'S BEHALF LAST TIME I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND WE HAD, UM, WE HAD A MOTION LAST TIME TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE WITH, I THINK THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THE MOTION, THE GENTLEMAN ON THE SCREEN, WE THOUGHT THE MOTION WAS TO JUST REMOVE THE TRIANGLE END CAP, UH, TRIANGLE END CAPS.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT EVERYTHING WAS DONE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT JOHN WAS ABLE TO DO.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S NOW WITH YOUR NEW ROOFER, IF THAT'S AN OPTION.
UM, BUT UM, AND THEN IT TURNED OUT THAT I, I GUESS STAFF THOUGHT IT WAS THE RIDGE CAPS AND THE END CAPS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THAT LAST TIME WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, THE GENTLEMAN, SOMEBODY ON ZOOM HAD MADE THE MOTION.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING WENT SIDEWAYS, BUT I'M JUST HERE TO SPEAK ON, ON JOHN'S BEHALF BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ROOF, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN DIGNITY HILL.
AND I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH.
IT'S NOT JUST DIGNITY HILL, IT'S THROUGHOUT ALL THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
I DROVE, I DROVE THROUGH KING WILLIAM, I DROVE THROUGH LAVACCA.
LIKE I JUST, YOU KNOW, I I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
SO IT'S NOT JUST DIGNITY HILL THAT HAS ROOFS LIKE HIS, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU DECIDE TO CHANGE YOUR ROOF, THERE'S VERY FEW COMPANIES THAT KNOW HOW TO DO THE HAND CRIMPING.
UM, I GOT MINE REDONE LAST SUMMER AND I GOT IT HAND CRIMPED AND PARTS OF IT LOOK LIKE CRAP BECAUSE IT'S VERY LABOR INTENSIVE.
SO IF ONE PERSON'S CRIMPING IT ONE WAY AND THE OTHER PERSON'S CRIMPING, IT JUST LOOKS CRAZY.
BUT I, I WANT IT, I STILL WANT IT, MINE DONE THAT WAY.
BUT MY POINT IS, UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HIRE THE ROOFING COMPANIES, THINGS HAVE BEEN CHANGED OVER TIME AS FAR AS THE WAY THAT THEY DO THESE METAL ROOFS, AND THAT'S HOW HIS ROOFER DID THE ROOF, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THEY, THIS IS KIND OF THE APPLICATION TO DATE.
SO, UM, I'M JUST HERE TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, HE, HE TOOK THE TIME TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, A GREAT AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THIS ROOF TO MAKE THE HOME LOOK GREAT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS PICTURES OF HIS HOUSE, HIS HOUSE LOOKS AMAZING.
YOU KNOW, HE'S HAD IT PAINTED, HE'S HAD THE ROOF PUT ON, AND I'M JUST HOPING THAT YOU GUYS WILL CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE, THERE'S NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE LIKE, WE REALLY CARE AND WE REALLY WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO LOOK GREAT.
AND I, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE KIND OF GOT SIDEWAYS ON, ON THIS LITTLE THING OVER SOMETHING THAT HE REALLY HAD NO CONTROL OVER BECAUSE HE DID GIVE THE GUIDELINES TO HIS ROOFER.
MADAM CHAIR, CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION? GO AHEAD.
S SO I, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, UM, THE APPLICATION, THIS APPLICATION CORRECTLY, THE FIRST, UM, ITEM IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEEK A WAIVER.
WAIVER MEANING TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY AND TALK TO THIS BODY.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT THE, OKAY, GOTCHA.
UM, WE'RE ON TRACK NUMBER TWO.
I'M UNCLEAR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IN THIS APPLICATION.
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I KNOW THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE WAIVER TO COME TALK TO US.I'M UNCLEAR WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING IN THIS APPLICATION.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU MIND IF I, LIKE, I CAN GIVE A PRETTY DETAILED BACKGROUND.
PLEASE DO SEE, WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, EXCUSE ME, I'M, I'M NOW THE BUTTON PROBLEM.
UM, THE POLICY WE'RE DISCUSSING IS A ROOF DETAIL THAT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE GUIDELINES BEFORE THEN, BUT WE REALLY KIND OF GAVE SOME EXAMPLES IN THE GUIDELINES AS TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO METAL ROOFS HAVE BEEN AROUND HISTORICALLY, ESPECIALLY IN SAN ANTONIO.
THERE'S LONGSTANDING TRADITION OF THAT.
UM, MANY OLDER HOMES HAVE THEIR ORIGINAL METAL ROOF STILL.
AND SO STANDING SEAM IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NEW.
UM, HISTORICALLY THEY WERE DONE IN THIS IMAGE THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP AND, AND MAYBE CLAUDIA CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO THE DETAIL THAT WE'RE AFTER IS THIS CRIMPED RIDGED SEAM.
AND SO WHAT THEY OR CRIMPED, UH, RIDGE SEAM.
AND SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY CUT THE PANELS WHERE THEY'RE LONG ENOUGH TO WHERE AT THE TOP THEY CAN KIND OF FOLD OVER EACH OTHER, AND THEN THAT CREATES KIND OF THE WATERPROOFING ALONG THE RIDGE.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU'LL SCROLL DOWN TO THE NEXT PICTURE, ANOTHER DETAIL THAT WE OFTEN ALSO ALLOW IS KIND OF A FLAT RIDGE SEAM.
AND SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT A STANDING SEAM ROOF.
THIS IS A FIVE V CRI PROOF ROOF, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETIMES APPROVED.
AND THEN IF YOU'LL SCROLL DOWN EVEN FURTHER TO THE LAST TWO IMAGES.
SO MODERN METAL ROOF IS ROOFS, UM, HAVE WHAT IS CALLED A RAGE RAISED RIDGE CAP VENT.
AND SO THAT IS FOR VENTILATION PURPOSES FOR THE ATTIC.
UM, HISTORIC HOMES WOULD HAVE VENTED GABLES, AND SO THAT ALLOWED FOR THE ATTIC VENTILATION.
HISTORICALLY, MODERN HOMES DON'T REALLY HAVE THOSE VENTED GABLES, AND SO THEY ARE VENTED THROUGH THE SOFFITS AND UP THROUGH THE RIDGE VENT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY MODERN DAY ROOFS USUALLY HAVE THIS DETAIL.
UM, ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE WITH THIS TO MS. SHELTON'S POINT.
NOT EVERY CONTRACTOR CAN DO THIS.
AND SO WE MIGHT HAVE A HOMEOWNER SAY, YES, I'LL DO THAT DETAIL HERE AT THE COMMISSION, AND THEN THE CONTRACTOR GETS OUT TO BUILD IT AND OOPS, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
IT'S VERY HARD TO ENFORCE BECAUSE THOSE PANELS ARE CUT DIFFERENTLY.
SO IN THE TOP PICTURE WHERE I SHOWED THAT THEY ADD EXTRA LENGTH SO THAT THEY CAN FOLD IT OVER, IF YOU ARE NOT DOING THAT DETAIL, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT EXTRA LENGTH.
AND SO BACK TO THE APPLICANT'S PICTURE FROM HIS ROOF, HE AGREED TO GO BACK INTO HIS ROOF AND SEE IF HE COULD DO THAT, THAT THAT SEAM THAT IS NOT RAISED.
AND WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES WHERE THAT'S BEEN DONE SUCCESSFULLY AND APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.
THE ISSUE IS, AND THEN HIS PICTURE PLEASE, IS THAT THOSE PANELS WERE NOT CUT LONG ENOUGH, AND SO HIS ROOFER'S TELLING HIM THAT THERE IS NOT A PIECE THAT CAN BRIDGE THAT GAP.
AND SO THERE MIGHT BE INSTANCES WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO FULLY REPLACE THOSE PANELS SO THEY WOULD BE LONG ENOUGH IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE DETAIL THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'RE SAYING IS IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER FOR THE WAIVER.
UM, THE POLICY IS THE POLICY, AND SO WE'RE STILL RECOMMENDING THAT, THAT, THAT BE ADHERED TO.
UM, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S CHALLENGES WITH THAT AND PROBABLY IN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND, AND REPLACING SOME OF THOSE PANELS.
SO THAT'S FOR YOU TO CONSIDER TODAY.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S RECOMMENDED TO NOT APPROVAL BASED ON WHAT YOU PROVIDED US THAT PRIOR CONTRACTORS DID NOT PROVIDE SUFFICIENT LENGTH, WE CAN ACTUALLY APPROVE THE WAIVER SO HE CAN CONTINUE, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO HE'S HERE BECAUSE HE HAS APPLIED SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AS COREY STATED, AND SO YOU ALL DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE WAIVER.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF CANNOT WRITE THE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT DOES NOT CONFORM AS COREY WAS SAYING.
SO WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE YOU ALL DO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO GRANT A SPECIAL PERMISSION BECAUSE YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THE GUIDELINES.
SO YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES, BUT WE HAVE JURISDICTION TO BE ABLE TO GOT IT CORRECT.
JUST CLARIFICATION FOR THE SECOND PART.
WHY ARE THE SECOND PART WERE NOT APPROVED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE GUIDELINES, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL BECAUSE HE'S PROVIDED ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT HE HE'S PREVENTED FROM BEING ABLE TO MEET THE GUIDELINES.
YOU'RE ABLE TO RECONSIDER THE REQUEST.
SO YOU ALREADY TOOK ACTION ON THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, MAYBE THREE MONTHS AGO.
AND SO NORMALLY IF SOMETHING'S BEEN APPROVED, YOU CAN'T COME BACK FOR A YEAR'S PERIOD UNLESS THE WAIVER'S APPROVED AND FOR THE WAIVER TO BE APPROVED, YOU NEED SUBSTANTIAL NEW EVIDENCE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME OF THE ORIGINAL HEARING.
AND SO WE'RE SAYING THAT'S THE CASE.
YOU CAN TAKE ACTION ON HIS REQUEST TODAY.
UM, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE POLICY BE FOLLOWED.
BEARD'S POINT, YOU ARE ABLE TO CONSIDER THE CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND MAKE A DETERMINATION.
SO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN ONE AND TWO, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES, BUT ALLOWING HIM THE LEEWAY, US ALLOWING US, UH, UH, UH, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, ALLOWING US NOT, NOT ALLOWING HIM, ALLOWING US TO SAY THAT WE APPROVE
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WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR.SO I, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP THAT COREY REFERENCED.
UM, SO THE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE AREA THAT'S OPEN THAT I SAW THAT THE PIECE, THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MATERIALS AND NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES? OR WOULD IT BE, UM, IN ORDER TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES, WOULD IT BE REPLACING THE WHOLE ROOF? LIKE WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS? UH, I THINK SHE'S JUST ASKING IN GENERAL.
ANYBODY IN THE ROOM? MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY ROOFER IS THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE THE ENTIRE PANELS TO BE COMPLETE.
HE, OBVIOUSLY, HE COULD DO IT THE OTHER WAY, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE LESS TIME INTENSIVE AND, AND COST LESS TO JUST REPLACE THE ENTIRE ROOF AS OPPOSED TO PUT A LAYERED CAP OVER THE TOP OF IT.
THAT, THAT IN THAT IN TURN WOULD COST ME MORE THAN I'VE ALREADY PAID FOR MY ROOF.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP THAT I'M FACING NOW IS THAT, UM, IF, IF HE FIXES IT AS IS TO MEET THE, THE GUIDELINES AS GIVEN TO US, THEN IT'S GONNA COST ME MORE THAN I'VE ALREADY PAID FOR MY ROOF OR JUST REPLACE THE ENTIRE ROOF AND PAY FOR THE ENTIRETY OF IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
BUT THE WAIVER IS TO ACCEPT AND JUST MAKE THE REPAIRS RIGHT NOW, THE MINIMAL REPAIRS RIGHT NOW? NO, NO, NO.
HIS REQUEST TODAY IS TO NOT MEET THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DETAIL.
HE WANTS TO RETAIN THE RAISE RICH CAP VENT.
AND WHERE I SPEAK DO YOU NEED MORE CLARIFICATION ON ITEM ONE? OKAY, SO FOR ITEM ONE NO, IT'S OKAY.
UM, SO EVERY TIME WE HEAR A CASE HERE AND COMMISSION ACTION IS TAKEN, GENERALLY WE CANNOT BRING A CASE BACK WITH THE SAME REQUEST UNLESS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE HAS BEEN RECEIVED.
RIGHT? AND SO THE WAIVER, INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR ONE YEAR, HE'S BACK EARLIER THAN THE YEAR BECAUSE HE HAS PROVIDED THAT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WAIVER REQUEST IS.
SO IT'S MORE ABOUT THE TIMELINESS AND IS IT APPROPRIATE TO HEAR NOW, WHICH WE DO AGREE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HEAR.
NOW, DOES THAT HELP? THE WAIVER IS JUST FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME PERIOD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, UH, HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MY NAME IS JOSE GALLEGOS AND I'M HERE.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, MY ADDRESS IS TWO 14 WEST ACADEMY, UH, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
I'M A LIFELONG, UH, RESIDENT, UH, OF SAN ANTONIO.
MR. GALLEGO DIDN'T SIGN IN TO SPEAK, BUT IF YOU WANNA GIVE HIM, HE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CASE.
HE'S ON, UM, THE TRACKING SHEET.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR.
I'M NOT SAYING HE CAN'T SPEAK, I JUST WANT THE CHAIR TO KNOW.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU MAKE THE ANNOTATION IN THE, IN THE SIGNUP, SIR, MR. GALLEGOS AT THE, AT THE CONCLUSION OF YOUR SPEAKING.
I THINK THE CLARIFICATION THAT HE'S PART OF THE APPLICATION TEAM, SO THANK YOU.
I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, QUESTIONING THAT.
BUT, UH, TO CONTINUE, UH, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, PARDON ME, UH, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF MR. GOODWIN'S, UH, APPLICATION.
AND AGAIN, ONCE, UH, NOT TO BE LATER THE POINT, BUT, UH, THE ISSUE'S NOT THE WAIVER.
I THINK THAT THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED, THE WAIVER'S ALREADY OFF THE TABLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, APPROVING AND GRANTING THAT WAIVER.
THE, UH, THE REAL, UH, UH, REQUEST HERE IS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE STATE OF THE ROOF AS IT EXISTS NOW.
NOW, UH, AS YOU'VE HEARD, UH, FROM ONE OF THE, UH, RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO'S VERY INVOLVED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS NOT SPEAKING HERE, UH, ON BEHALF OF, UH, DIG WHI HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT IS IN FACT A VERY, UH, ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AS THE APPLICANT HAS STATED, THERE'S NUMEROUS HOMES THAT, UH, APPEAR TO HAVE THE SAME CONSTRUCTION AS A SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND, UH, AGAIN, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE CHARACTER OR THE INTEGRITY, UH, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE HOMES, THE HISTORICAL HOMES THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST, UH, YOU GRANTING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MADAM CHAIR, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL TO PLAY
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AS WELL.SO CLAUDIA, CAN YOU DO THAT NOW AND THEN, AND THEN WE WILL BEGIN DISCUSSION.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LUTHER FRANCOIS, CALLING IN FOR CONCERNED CITIZENS OF SIGN WHITTY HILL ON 5 0 9 HAY STREET, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1 39 FOR THE APRIL CASE.
THE APPLICANT CONTACTED THE DIG HILL ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR SUPPORT IN REPLACING HIS SHINGLE ROOF WITH A METAL ROOF.
WE WERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST AND DID NOT KNOW UNTIL THE DAY OF THE CASE THAT THE TYPE OF ROOF INSTALLED DID NOT MEET OHP GUIDELINES.
BUT DUE TO THE REASONS THIS NONCONFORMING ROOF WAS INSTALLED AND BECAUSE C TTAB APPROVED IT, WE'RE NOW BACK HERE AGAIN TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN INSTALLED IN THE FIRST PA PLACE.
ULTIMATELY, THE QUESTION IS, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT CONTRACTORS UNDERSTAND THEY'RE WORKING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND MUST MEET HISTORIC GUIDELINES FOR WHATEVER TYPE OF JOB THEY'RE DOING? IT'S OUR OPINION THAT IT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY, AND IF THE CONTRACTOR DOES WORK THAT DOESN'T MEET OHP GUIDELINES, IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO GET THE CONTRACTOR TO FIX THEIR MISTAKES.
SINCE CAP APPROVED THE CURRENT ROOF, BUT DENIED THE REQUEST TO INSTALL THE RIDGE AND END CAPS, THE APPLICANT SHOULD GO BACK TO THE ROOFING COMPANY THAT INSTALLED THIS ROOF AND MAKE THEM INSTALL IT PROPERLY SO THAT THE APPROPRIATE RIDGE AND END CAPS CAN BE INSTALLED.
FOR THESE REASONS, WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO REVIEW THE WAIVER, BUT TO NOT APPROVE THE INSTALLATION OF THE NONCONFORMING RIDGE AND END CAPS TO THE STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS, MR. LUKE? I, I, I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT.
UM, I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT MS. FRANCOISE'S ROOF, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE RIDGES IN BETWEEN THE STRI, THE STRIATIONS BETWEEN THE RIDGES ON HER ROOF.
IT HER ROOF IS EXACTLY LIKE MINE.
UM, SO MUCH SO THAT, UM, HAVE Y'ALL EVER BEEN TO CAMP OUTPOST OVER HERE AND HAD LUNCH? IT'S AN AMAZING PLACE FOR LUNCH.
IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
I PARK, HAPPENED TO PARK BEHIND IT, AND THE CLOSEST BUILDING IN THE, IN THIS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD TO THIS BUILDING HAS THE EXACT SAME ROOF.
IS MY ROOF THE CLOSEST BUILDING IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, IT, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON.
SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND, UM, MS. FRANCOISE'S, UM, CONCERNS AND, AND I HAD THEM TOO, OBVIOUSLY, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HOW MY ROOF LOOKED UNTIL I ACTUALLY GOT BACK.
AND THANKS TO, TO, UM, MS. ESPINOZA, SHE EXPLAINED TO ME WHAT, WHAT THE ISSUES WERE.
'CAUSE I HADN'T SEEN IT UP UNTIL THAT POINT.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S CONSIDERATION IN ALL THIS, AND I, I DO, I DO.
UM, UM, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO.
'CAUSE IT IS, IT IS CHALLENGING, CERTAINLY, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTION INVOLVED IN ALL OF THESE THINGS, SO THANK YOU.
CAN I JUST CONFIRM THAT THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR WHO INSTALLED THE ROOF INCORRECTLY, YOU SAID IS NO LONGER IN BUSINESS? UH, YES SIR.
THEY ARE NO LONGER IN BUSINESS.
UM, REPEATED PHONE CALLS AND ACTUALLY SHOWING UP TO THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS NOW EMPTY.
SO I HAD TO, HAD TO GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE WITH SOMEONE NEW.
SO WAS THE ORIGINAL UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A GUIDELINE APPROVED ROOF? CORRECT? YES, YES.
I CAN GIVE SOME CONTRACTS ON THAT.
SO, UM, HE WAS SUPPOSED TO COME TO HDRC OR ATTEND HDRC PREVIOUSLY BEFORE COMING TO CTA TO REQUEST THE MATERIAL CHANGE FROM A SHINGLED ROOF TO A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
SO THEY WERE ALREADY ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT.
WHEN STAFF WAS PUTTING OUT THE SIGN, THAT'S WHEN ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS NOTICED THAT THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF HAD ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED AND IT HAD BEEN INSTALLED INAPPROPRIATELY AND INCORRECTLY.
UM, AND JUST LIKE JOHN MENTIONED, I CALLED HIM IMMEDIATELY, HE SAID, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GIMME SOME FEEDBACK? SO WE TALKED ABOUT IT, I LET HIM KNOW THAT WE CAN PUT HIM ONTO CTAP VERSUS HDRC.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE HERE IN APRIL.
UM, COME FULL CIRCLE, NOW WE'RE BACK AGAIN.
YEAH, AND I, I THINK FOR ME, THAT THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT? BECAUSE OUR GROUP IS COMPLIANCE, AND SO IT'S ALWAYS AFTER THE FACT, WE'RE ALWAYS BEHIND SOMETHING, RIGHT? THAT SOMETHING HAS BEEN INSTALLED OR WORK HAS BEEN DONE, THAT WAS DONE INCORRECTLY AND NOT WITHIN HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS A, A CHALLENGE BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS AND, AND THE, AND THE CO NOT THE COMMENT, BUT A COMMENT OF, WELL, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OTHER HOUSES OR BUSINESSES OR HOMES OR LOCATIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY HAD THAT.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS GROUP A A CHALLENGE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS AFTER THE FACT.
WE'RE ALWAYS, WE'RE ALWAYS THE ONES FIGURING OUT HOW TO CLEAN UP WHEN, WHEN THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLIED TO.
UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT EITHER, NEITHER HERE NOR THERE, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS A CHALLENGE.
I'M READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
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MADAM.CHAIRMAN, I'D, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, APPROVING WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BOTH ITEMS ONE AND TWO.
WANNA ENTERTAIN A SECOND? I'LL SECOND ROLL.
THERE'S A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH A SECOND ROLL CALL.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON THE AGENDA, H UH, CTA CASE 2024 DASH 2 74 6 10 MASON STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN EIGHT FOOT TALL REAR PRIVACY WOOD FENCE.
THE FENCE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR PRIVACY FENCE BASED ON FINDING B WITH THIS FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET AS APPROVED BY THE H-D-R-C-H-R-C AT ANY POINT OF THE FENCING.
ADDITIONALLY, THE FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, DALTON LUCA LUCA IS HERE IN PERSON.
HI EVERYBODY, MY NAME'S DALTON LUCA.
UM, BASICALLY I RECENTLY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AT THE BEGINNING OF JULY, AND I AM COMING TO FIND OUT THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE, UH, THINGS WAITING FOR ME IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT THAN I THOUGHT.
SO
UH, MY, MY GRANDPA PLAYED BALL FOR THE MISSIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE HAVE A BIG HISTORICAL STANDING IN THIS CITY AND, AND BEING IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT IS BIG FOR ME AND MY FAMILY, SO I WANNA DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO CONFORM TO THE REGULATIONS, AND I, I JUST WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING.
SO, UM, IN DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THREE KIDS AND WE REALLY ENJOY THE POOL.
SO THE FIRST THING WE DID IS WE FILED A PERMIT TO, TO GET A POOL AND A DECK IN THE BACKYARD.
AND IN DOING SO, I THOUGHT HAVING AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE WOULD BE, UH, LIKE SOMETHING BY, RIGHT, BECAUSE I'VE GOT ANOTHER PROPERTY IN SAN ANTONIO, AND I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.
BUT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT THERE'S NO PRIVACY FENCES OVER SIX FEET.
SO, UM, I'M COMING IN HOPES TO, TO CONVINCE Y TO ALLOW ME TO HAVE THAT EIGHT FOOT PRIVACY FENCE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PAPERS HERE, INCLUDING RENDERINGS AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ABOUT, UH, THAT FENCE THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO ACQUIRE UNTIL LATE THIS WEEK.
UH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THOSE THINGS TAKE TIME, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK THE 3D RENDERING, UH, CONTRACTOR THAT I GOT 10 DAYS TO GET BACK TO ME TO SHOW ME A RENDERING OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, SHOWING THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
UH, THE SAME THING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
IT TOOK ME, UH, YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS TO GET THAT BACK.
BUT THEY'RE ALL HERE AND I'VE MADE COPIES IF Y'ALL LIKE TO SEE THEM.
BUT BASICALLY IT SHOWS WHAT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE SHOWING THAT, AS YOU KNOW, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, THE HOUSES ARE BUILT TALL, RIGHT? I MEAN, SOME OF THE ROOF EDGES WHERE THE FASCIA MEETS THE ROOF EDGE IS 12 FEET TALL SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ON PIER AND BEAM.
UM, AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS ONLY GONNA ADD ELEGANCE TO THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO JEOPARDIZE THE ALREADY BEAUTIFUL STREET.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE BEAUTIFUL.
AND I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE THE, THE BACKYARD SOME PRIVACY THAT A SIX FOOT FENCE WOULDN'T PROVIDE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM DIFFERENT IMAGES, I'VE TAKEN THE POINTS OF VIEW FROM THE BACKYARD THAT THE CURRENT SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, IT, IT HAS NO PRIVACY.
AND I KNOW THAT A CHAIN LINK FENCE ISN'T A GOOD WAY TO COMPARE A PRIVACY FENCE, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO PROVIDE IN THOSE LINES OF SIGHT FROM THE IMAGES THAT I'VE TAKEN, IS THAT MY NEIGHBORS CAN CLEARLY SEE OVER THE CHAIN LINK FENCE BECAUSE THEIR WINDOW START SIX FOOT HIGH, THE BASE OF THEIR WINDOW IS FIVE AND A HALF, SIX FOOT HIGH OFF THE GROUND.
SO WHEN THEY'RE STANDING OUTTA THEIR WINDOW, THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY SEE INTO OUR BACKYARD.
AND I'M JUST ASKING FOR THAT ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF PRIVACY.
I'M NOT ASKING, YOU KNOW, FOR TOO MUCH.
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JUST ASKING FOR A REAR PRIVACY FENCE THAT, THAT, UM, CONFORMS TO THE HISTORICAL, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE ARCHITECTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING I DON'T HAVE FOR YOU TO, BUT I'VE MADE COPIES.UM, I I, I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO MAKING SURE THE FENCE LOOKS GOOD, RIGHT? THE, THE IDEA IS IT'S NOT JUST AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
IT'S, IT'S AN ADDITION TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S GONNA MAKE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK BEAUTIFUL.
SO, UM, ONE THING I DID IS I WENT TO EVERY ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WITHIN A 200 FOOT, UH, RADIUS, INTRODUCED MYSELF, WELCOME.
YOU KNOW, I WAS VERY MUCH WELCOMED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND I DISCUSSED THEM MY PLANS TO, TO HAVE THIS FENCE.
AND, UH, EVERYBODY THAT WAS WILLING TO SEE ME AT THEIR FRONT DOOR THAT WAS WILLING TO OPEN.
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO OPEN THEIR FRONT DOORS NOWADAYS,
THEY ALSO AGREED WITH THE DESIGN.
I, I WAS CLEAR IN MY DETAIL TO SHOW THEM EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED, UM, TO TRY TO GIVE THEM THE IDEA OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, CHANGE I'M GONNA HAVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT ABOUT 15 SIGNATURES FROM MY NEIGHBORS AND I SENT 10 LETTERS OUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY THAT LIVES IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT OWNS A PROPERTY AND, AND LIVES THERE.
SO I SENT 10 LETTERS OUT AND I ACTUALLY GOT ONE LETTER BACK YESTERDAY, UM, ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS A SIGNED LETTER OF SUPPORT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE DEFINITELY TAKEN IN THE CONSIDERATION THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CHANGE THAT I'M DOING ISN'T A SMALL ASK.
YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT SEEM SMALL, JUST TWO FEET TO A FENCE, BUT IT DOESN'T CONFORM TO THE HISTORICAL GUIDELINES.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE MY NEIGHBORS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF THIS.
UM, IN EACH PAPER I GAVE THE NEIGHBORS, IT WAS A NEWSLETTER.
IT WAS A NEWSLETTER THAT BASICALLY SHOWED THE, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE FENCE AND IT SHOWED THEM HOW THEY COULD CONTACT EACH THE, THE EMAIL AND THE PHONE IF THEY WANTED TO LEAVE A VOICEMAIL.
AND I WAS VERY OPEN TO OPPOSITION, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT, THAT SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING.
BUT LIKE I SAID, OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE MANY, UH, NEIGHBORS I SPOKE TO, NOT ONE OF THEM DISAGREED WITH IT, AND THEY ALL LIKED IT.
SO, UM, I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TIME TO EACH, TO LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THOSE 15 SIGNATURES, BUT I'VE, I'VE BROUGHT THEM HERE.
I ALSO BROUGHT A MAP SHOWING EACH NEIGHBOR I WENT TO, HOW MANY TIMES I WENT TO THE PAPERWORK I LEFT THERE AND I EVEN WROTE A NICE LITTLE LETTER THAT I CAN ALSO SHOW YOU THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT MY PLAN WAS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I DID, I DID ALMOST EVERYTHING I COULD TO TRY TO MAKE THIS WORK BECAUSE I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THE PRIVACY AND I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT BEAUTIFYING MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE THIS A PLACE THAT, UH, WHEN NEIGHBORS PASS BY, THEY SAY, OH WOW, LOOK AT THAT FRONT YARD.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, I'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL OAK TREE IN THE FRONT YARD.
AND I THINK THAT THAT ALONE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE, IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, BROUGHT OUT MORE.
AND I THINK AN EIGHT FOOT PRIVACY FENCE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IS JUST GONNA ADD THE ELEGANCE TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT IT NEEDS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT PUNY LITTLE FENCE WAS THERE, AND I DON'T THINK THEY GOT ANY CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR ANY, UH, ANYTHING TO BUILD IT.
I THINK THEY JUST SLAPPED IT UP TO HELP SELL THE HOUSE.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M THE FOOL 'CAUSE I BOUGHT IT, BUT IT BARELY EVEN WORKS.
SO I THINK RIPPING THAT NASTY OLD FENCE OUT AND PUTTING SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, NICE CEDAR, UM, IS, IT'S REALLY GONNA MAKE THE THE DIFFERENCE.
AND LIKE I SAID, I, I'VE GOT A FEW RENDERINGS HERE THAT I CAN HOLD UP THAT ARE ABOUT 18 INCHES BY 24 THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLAUDIA IN THIS ILLUSTRATION.
IS IT, IS THAT IN SIX OR EIGHT FOOT? THAT'S THE CURRENT SIX FOOT.
THOSE ARE ALL, SO HERE'S SOME RENDERINGS THAT, UM, I HAD AN ARTIST DO.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE DESIGN OF THIS FENCE, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME PICTURES FOR YOU.
CORRELATES TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PILLARS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS IN OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD.
HERE'S ANOTHER ONE SHOWING FROM, UH, THE FAR IMAGE, A CLOSEUP ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT A FIVE FOOT SECTION OVER THERE, SO NOT MUCH.
BUT WITH THAT LITTLE BIT OF SPACE, YOU KNOW, A SIX FOOT BY FIVE FOOT SECTION OF FENCE ISN'T REALLY ENOUGH TO SHOW HOW, UH, YOU CAN PUT DETAILS INTO THE FENCE AND MAKE IT ADD TO THE FACADE.
BUT I FEEL LIKE AN EIGHT FOOT BY FIVE FOOT IS ONLY GOING TO JUST SHOW THE DETAIL, SHOW THE REQUIRED.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORD I'M LOOKING FOR.
IT'S GONNA BE ECLECTIC WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO FIT WITH THE DESIGN OF THE FACADE OF THE FRONT, UH, GETTING RID OF THAT NASTY, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE CHAIN LINK IN THE BACK, WHICH I'VE GOT SOME PICTURES OF OVER HERE, OR I THINK
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IT'S GETTING DISTRIBUTED.UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS SAID THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP ME RIP DOWN THAT FENCE AND BUILD THE FENCE ON THE FENCE LINE BECAUSE THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO ADD THAT MUCH, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, IT'S GONNA LOOK THAT MUCH BETTER IN THEIR BACKYARD THAN THE CURRENT FENCE.
UH, THE OTHER NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR SAID THAT THEY DON'T KNOW THE PROPERTY, BUT I SENT A LETTER TO THE OWNER AND I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK, BUT I DID GET THE CURRENT, UM, RESIDENT OF THAT HOUSE.
SO THOSE ARE, THIS ONE IS A SIX OR EIGHT FOOT.
SO THO THAT IS A SIX FOOT FENCE IN THE BACKYARD FACING SOUTH.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING DIRECTLY THROUGH THE BACKYARD, THERE'S ACTUALLY AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF I 35 AND GOING UP TO THEIR APARTMENTS, THEY HAVE A BACK, UH, STAIRCASE THEY CAN EASILY SEE INTO THE BACKYARD.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST ONE LINE OF SIGHT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE EACH SIDE, SO EAST, WEST AND SOUTH, I'VE GOT MORE THAN THREE WINDOWS THAT CAN DIRECTLY SEE OVER INTO MY BACKYARD.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN WITH THE RAISED DECK YET.
SO, UM, I'VE GOT AT SOME ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT I THINK YOU'LL SEE OR SOME IMAGES OF THE DECK THAT I'VE GOT PROPOSED SOME RENDERINGS.
AND, UM, WE CAN'T AFFORD AN IN-GROUND POOL, SO WE'RE GONNA JUST PUT A ABOVE GROUND POOL AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BUILD A SMALL DECK AROUND IT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON THE DECK OR YOU'RE GOING INTO THE POOL, JUST BEING IN THE POOL, THE NEIGHBORS CAN SEE DIRECTLY INTO THAT AREA.
AND, UM, IT'S JUST ABOUT PRIVACY, RIGHT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MY KIDS ARE SAFE AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY CAN GET AN IDEA LIKE, OH, THAT'S JUST A SIX FOOT FENCE, I'M GONNA GO JUMP THAT AREA AND GET INTO THAT POOL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO A MATTER OF KEEPING PEOPLE OUT AND, UH, KEEPING EVERYBODY IN.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SIMILAR FENCES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE PILLAR DOWN THE MIDDLE AND THE, AND THE RIDGE CAP? UH, NO, THE SIX FOOT VERSUS THE EIGHT FOOT? NO, SIR.
UH, I COULDN'T FIND, I COULD NOT FIND ONE INSTANCE.
UM, MY NEIGHBOR ACTUALLY HAD A SIX AND A HALF FOOT FENCE, BUT THE COMMISSION TOLD HIM TO BRING IT DOWN SIX INCHES.
'CAUSE HE NEVER GOT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
BUT I THINK IF HE TOOK THE CORRECT PATH, UM, HIS FENCE IS BEAUTIFUL, IT'S A NICE METAL FENCE.
UH, HE JUST DIDN'T DO WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE.
BUT, UM, I'M SURE Y'ALL WOULD'VE CONSIDERED THE EXTRA SIX INCHES.
BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE OF THE, THE RAISED DECK, THE POOL'S GONNA BE ABOUT 52 INCHES HIGH, SO THE DECK HEIGHT IS GONNA BE 52 INCHES MATCHING THE POOL.
THE DECK HEIGHT IS GONNA BE, UH, THAT SAME HIGH.
SO, UH, THAT'S ABOUT THREE AND A HALF FEET, ALMOST FOUR FEET OVER, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE NORMAL GROUND LEVEL.
AND, UM, I THINK AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS, IS BARE MINIMUM FOR THE PRIVACY.
AND I THINK THAT, I DON'T WANT TO ASK FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, LOOKING AT THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU'RE BARELY GONNA BE ABLE TO TELL IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE, THE HEIGHTS OF HOW THEY ARE ALL BUILT.
AND CONSIDERING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A FOOT BACK FROM THE FACADE OF THE FENCE, THE TAKING INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE HISTORICAL DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR FENCES, UM, IT'S REALLY GOING TO ADD THE ELEGANCE, I THINK, TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
LIKE, UH, THESE IMAGES KIND OF, YOU CAN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN SOME OF THESE RENDERINGS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I JUST WANT THE HOUSE TO LOOK GOOD AND WHILE I'M DOING IT, I WANT THE ADDED PRIVACY FOR MY FAMILY.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING A SIX FOOT FENCE CAN PROVIDE.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID BY, BY, RIGHT AND MY UNDERSTANDING PER MY CONVERSATIONS WITH VINCENT TREVINO AND, UH, ZONING THAT, UH, SINCE WE HAVE A POOL AND WE'RE, WE HAVE A PERMIT AND EVERYTHING, UH, AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE SHOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
EXCEPT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
SO WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO, TO PROCEED WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL TOOK A LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, BUT IT SHOWS THE OUTLINE OF HOW THE PILLARS WILL BE BUILT, UM, HOW THE DETAIL ADDS TO THE, THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, PLEASE JUST LET ME KNOW AND, AND I'LL DEFINITELY TRY TO, UH, HOW DO I ANNUNCIATE YOUR NAME, SIR? LUCA.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE PRIVACY 'CAUSE I ENJOY MINE, BUT I HAVE A STANDARD LET, UH, FENCE MYSELF, HOWEVER YOU IMPOSED ON GETTING A PERMIT FOR A RAISED POOL AND A RAISED DECK.
THEREFORE, YOU'RE ASKING US ALSO TO MAKE AN ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT FOR POLICIES THAT WERE ADAPTED BY THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN COMPLIANCE.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU CHOSE, BUT YOU'RE ALSO ASKING US TO AMEND BECAUSE OF YOUR, YOUR CHOICE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? UM, I, I, YES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE WANTING ME TO AMEND A
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SIX FOOT TO AN EIGHT FOOT OF YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE TO GET A PERMIT FOR A THREE FOOT RAISED SURFACE POOL WITH A DECK.I'VE ALREADY OBTAINED THE PERMITS FOR THE DECK AND THE POOL.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO ASK FOR THE CONSIDER, CORRECT.
CORRECT, SIR, YOU'VE ALREADY OBTAINED THOSE PERMITS, BUT THE PERMITS IS US AND YOU STATED BY RIGHTS, WELL, ACTUALLY THE STANDARD IS SIX FOOT, UM, AND I BELIEVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE TO MAINTAIN.
SO THE, THERE'S THE FENCE CODE THAT APPLIES ANYWHERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND THEN THERE'S THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH RECOMMEND THE SIX FOOT FENCE.
THE FENCE CODE SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, YOU HAVE TO BE SIX FEET UNLESS YOU'RE ABUTTING A COMMERCIAL USE OR YOU'RE ABUTTING A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
OR IT ALSO SAYS IF YOU HAVE A BACKYARD POOL, YOU CAN HAVE UP TO EIGHT FEET.
AND SO WE ARE HERE TO SORT OF RECONCILE THE TWO PROVISIONS, AND SO THE GUIDELINES SAY SIX, THE CODE ALLOWS UP TO EIGHT.
YOU ALL HAVE THE INFORMATION, IT CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
CAN I SEE A COUPLE OF THOSE LETTERS REAL QUICK? ABSOLUTELY.
I, I ALSO, UH, SPOKE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, THE PRESIDENT ROSE HILL, AND SHE BROUGHT IT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEY ALL AGREED THAT, UH, THEY IN SUPPORT OF MY, OF MY REQUEST, AND I'VE GOT THE LETTER, AND I THINK IT WAS ALSO EMAILED IN, IS THAT THE LETTER WE HAVE, CLAUDIA? RIGHT? I ONLY RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM ROSE HILL.
THESE ADDITIONAL MATERIALS ARE BROUGHT TODAY.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, THE LETTER FROM ROSE HILL IS IN YOUR PACKETS ON YOUR DESKTOPS.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT, UH, BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE ARE GOING TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL BEAUTIFICATION.
IT'S NOT LIKE AN UNFRIENDLY NEIGHBOR TYPE FENCE WHERE ONE SIDE IS GONNA LOOK BAD AND THE OTHER SIDE'S GONNA LOOK GOOD.
IT'S GOING TO ADD THAT, UM, ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF BEAUTY TO THREE PROPERTIES.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, OR MAYBE EVEN FOUR IF YOU TAKE MY NEIGHBORS BEHIND ME.
SO I THINK THAT'S SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? UM, YES, PLEASE.
I, I APPRECIATE THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT YOU DID IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OF TALKING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AND GETTING THEIR, THEIR SUPPORT AND ALL OF THE OUTREACH YOU'VE DONE.
I THINK THAT THAT'S WONDERFUL.
UM, I, I WOULD SAY I, I DON'T KNOW IN TERMS OF, UM, OUR, OUR CALL OR OUR, OUR PURPOSE OR PURVIEW IS THE BEAUTY NECESSARILY.
I MEAN, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE HERE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK WE'RE HERE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT FITS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES AND IF WE HAVE JURISDICTION TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THAT OR OVERRIDE THAT.
BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK IT IS A BEAUTIFUL FENCE, BUT I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY THAT THAT'S OUR DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL IN.
UM, I'M, UH, GOING OFF OF ALL THE, UM, RESEARCH I DID ON HOW I CAN HELP GET THIS PASSED THROUGH, AND ONE OF THOSE IS MAKING SURE THAT I'M ADDING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S WEALTH.
AND I AM TRYING TO PUT EMPHASIS THAT, THAT, THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, I WENT THROUGH VERY MANY RENDERINGS RIGHT, UH, BEFORE ME AND MY WIFE DETERMINED THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANTED.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, MADAM CHAIR.
MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? GO AHEAD, SIR.
I I WANT TO ECHO MY, MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS.
UH, YOU HAVE DONE TREMENDOUS LEG LEGWORK IN, IN CHECKING IN WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND ALSO FOLLOWING THE PROCESS AND, AND COMING HERE BEFOREHAND.
AS YOU'VE HEARD, UH, IN A PREVIOUS APPLICANT, SOMETIMES THINGS GET LOST IN TRANSLATION AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST GO FIRST AND, AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER, WHICH IS A CHALLENGE.
UM, WHEN WE HAVE GUIDELINES AND POLICIES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WENT THROUGH A, A LONG DELIBERATIVE PROCESS TO, TO COME UP WITH NUMBERS LIKE SIX FEET, UM, AND, AND WHAT THE THRESHOLD IS TO TO, TO MAKE A VARIANCE FOR THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
AND YOU KNOW, AS A BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, IN THE PREVIOUS CASE, YOU, YOU HEARD, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGES ABOUT THE, UM, THE CONTEXT OF THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF AND THE CRAMPING VERSUS THE NON CRAMPING AND THE, AND, AND THE VENT COVERS.
AND AS, AS THAT CASE ILLUSTRATED, YOU KNOW, AS EXCEPTIONS ARE MADE TO THE GENERAL POLICY AND THEY START POPPING UP OVER A NEIGHBORHOOD,
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UH, IT BECOMES HARDER AND HARDER TO ENFORCE THE, THE POLICY MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, WELL, THAT NEIGHBOR GOT AN EXCEPTION, YOU KNOW, SO WHY, WHY DOESN'T THIS NEIGHBOR GET AN EXCEPTION? AND, AND THERE CAN BE GOOD REASONS TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS.UH, I'M NOT AGAINST THEM AS A RULE, IT'S JUST, IT, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE A, A CHALLENGING BALANCING ACT THAT I THINK, UH, THE COMMISSION IS FACING.
BUT THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR COMMENTING AGAIN ON THE, THE LEGWORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW FACE TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 25 YEARS AND IT WAS AWESOME, AND I DON'T USE THAT WORD LIGHTLY TO SIT THERE FOR 30 MINUTES ON THE PATIO AND JUST HEAR ABOUT HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ADVANCED AND GROWN.
AND I, AND IT WAS A, IT WAS A WIN-WIN FOR BOTH OF US.
BUT, UM, COMMENT ON ON THE SECOND PART.
I, I DON'T TAKE THIS, UH, ASK LIGHTLY.
AND, UM, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT OTHERS FAIL, OTHER OTHERS THAT FAIL TO DO THIS, THAT SHOULDN'T BE BROUGHT ON TO MYSELF.
YOU KNOW, I'M DOING WHAT'S RIGHT AND IF MY NEIGHBORS DON'T DO IT, YOU KNOW, I WENT TO THEM AND I EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT I'M DOING, SO THAT IF ANYBODY IN MY NEIGHBORS SEE THAT AND THEY GO AND DO AN A FOOT FENCE, WELL THEN OOEY ON THEM.
THEY NEED TO COME HERE AND DO WHAT THAT IS RIGHT TO DO.
SO I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE HUMANS ARE HUMANS AND PEOPLE WILL DO THE WRONG THING ALL THE TIME IF THEY THINK THAT IT'S GONNA GET THEM THE EASY, QUICK WAY OUT.
SO, UM, I JUST WANNA KEEP THAT ON THE TABLE.
I'M TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING RIGHT AND I THINK I BELIEVE IN THIS VERY MUCH.
UM, I BELIEVE IN THE SAFETY OF MY FAMILY AND THE PRIVACY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I ALSO BELIEVE IN DOING THE RIGHT THING AND ASKING FOR PERMISSION.
SO, UM, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
I, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS GO AHEAD, SIR.
MR. LUCA DILLO, THANK YOU FOR, FOR WORKING ON, UH, DOING THE RIGHT THING, LIKE YOU SAID.
UM, BUT AS A COMMISSION, WE'VE ALSO GOTTA DO THE RIGHT THING.
LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER FULLERTON MENTIONED ONCE WE START MAKING ONE VARIANCE, THEN WE'VE GOTTA DO IT FOR THE NEXT AND THE NEXT AND THE NEXT.
AND IT'S HARD TO STOP THAT ONCE WE ALLOW ONE.
UM, FOR THAT REASON, I, I JUST CAN'T, UM, SUPPORT THE EIGHT FOOT VARIANCE REQUEST.
UM, 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING TOO.
SO THAT DECISION IS COMPLETELY MADE BY Y'ALL, Y'ALL AS THE COMMISSION.
AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT IS WHAT'S RIGHT, WELL THEN THAT'S, THAT'S UNDERSTOOD.
BUT, UM, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS A DECISION THAT YOU MAKE BECAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S RIGHT.
AND, UM, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING I CAN TO TRY TO PROVE THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I COULD HAVE DONE AT THIS POINT.
I'VE GONE, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING.
I'VE SPENT MONEY ON THESE RENDERINGS, I'VE GOT ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, I'VE GOT SPENT HOURS AWAY FROM MY KIDS AND FAMILY TO GO SPEAK TO MY NEIGHBORS AND WRITE LETTERS AND EMAIL THINGS AND GET, GO GET STAMPS AND DO ALL THESE THINGS.
SO IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT IS WHAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK, THEN I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE, I COULD HAVE DONE AS A NEIGHBOR TO GET THAT PUSH THROUGH.
SO JUST PLEASE CONSIDER THAT, THAT YOUR DECISION IS YOUR OWN, BUT NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA DO EVERYTHING THAT I'VE DONE.
SO AT THAT POINT, YOU COULD MAKE THE DECISION, LIKE, OKAY, THEY DIDN'T DO ENOUGH, OR THAT, THAT'S NOT, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM THE VARIANCE, BUT AT THIS POINT, I'VE DONE ABSOLUTELY, I THINK EVERYTHING.
AND I'VE GOT THE CONFIDENCE LOOKING AT YOU IN THE EYE, TELLING YOU I DID EVERYTHING I COULD HAVE DONE, SO, AND I SEE IT.
PLEASE CONSIDER THAT ALSO IN YOUR, IN YOUR FEELING OF YOU JUST NOT WANTING TO DO IT.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
I THINK I'M GONNA ECHO, UH, WHAT MR. VASQUEZ SAYS.
IT'S LOOKING AT IT, THE WORK AND THE INVESTMENT AND THE COMMITMENT AND THE PASSION THAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR HOME AND THE CONCERNS FOR YOUR FAMILIES.
I WOULD ECHO THE SAME THING, BUT THE ONE THING IS, AGAIN, LIKE ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SAYS ETHICALLY, I'M, I'M HAVING A STRUGGLE ON MAKING THE AMENDMENT AND PERSONALLY LOOKING AT IT, THE AMAZING WORK THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO IT.
BUT I WOULD HAVE TO ECHO THE SAME THING, WHICH COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SAME WORDS DOING THE RIGHT THING, BECAUSE ALL THE HARD WORK GOES BACK TO SUPPORT EXACTLY WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE STATING.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
CAN, CAN I COMMENT TO THAT? PLEASE DO.
SO, UM, WE HAVE THIS COMMISSION.
I'M, I'M, I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN FRONT OF Y'ALL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR GREAT CITY HAS SET THIS UP AND GIVEN US THE CHANCE IN THE COUNTRY THAT WE LIVE IN.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE MAJORITY OF MY NEIGHBORS AGREED THAT THIS SHOULD BE DONE, AND Y'ALL DON'T LIVE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
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GONNA SEE THIS.Y'ALL MIGHT NEVER DRIVE DOWN THE 600 BLOCK OF MASON.
SO IT REALLY, IN CONSIDERATION, IT, IT MIGHT NEVER CONCERN YOU OTHER THAN THIS MEETING RIGHT HERE, YOU DECIDING ON MY FATE THAT I HAVE TO STICK WITH.
I'VE SIGNED A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE, I'M GONNA BE IN THAT HOUSE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH.
SO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BEAUTIFUL WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE WORK I'D DONE BEFORE THAT.
BUT THE, BUT, AND THEN YOU'D SAY AFTER IT MAKES EVERYTHING GO AWAY BECAUSE IT, IT'S JUST ALMOST LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE SUGAR COATING ON TOP, RIGHT? AND JUST, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, Y'ALL'S DECISION IS GONNA STICK WITH ME FOREVER.
I'M NOT GONNA COME BACK TO Y'ALL.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE I THINK EVIDENCE I THINK I COULD PROVIDE TO YOU TO MAKE YOU GET THIS.
I'M GONNA GO TO MY WIFE AND I'M GONNA TELL HER, OH, WE'RE LIVING IN THIS HOUSE WITH A SIX FOOT FENCE AND YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT US.
THERE'S AN APARTMENT WITH LIKE EIGHT HOUSES BEHIND US THAT THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE LOOKING AT MY CHILDREN.
YOU KNOW? AND, UM, LIKE YOU, YOU'D SAID YOU FEEL LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND THE PRIVACY, BUT TRULY, IF YOU UNDERSTOOD THE PRIVACY, YOU WOULD HAVE NO, YOU WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM JUST AGREEING TO THE FACT THAT ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS TWO MORE FEET.
AND THE FACT THAT OUR HOUSES ARE, IN SOME CASES 13 TO 14 FEET HIGH ON THE FACADE, THAT'S NOT THE PEAK OF THE ROOF.
THAT'S JUST WHERE THE, THE RIDGE LINE MEETS THE TOP OF THE HOUSE.
EIGHT FOOT ISN'T GOING TO LOOK ANY DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE, THE, THE FENCE IS 50 OR EIGHT OR 60 FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TELL, UM, I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO INCORPORATE A METAL FENCE IN THE FUTURE THAT TIES INTO THE, THE BEAUTY OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DESIGN OF THE FENCE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I, I COULD KEEP GOING, BUT I'LL LET THE NEXT SPEAKER
IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH CHOICE FOR US TOO.
I WOULD LOVE TO PUT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN MY BACKYARD TOO, BUT IT'S JUST NOT ALLOWED.
UM, I LIVE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL AND WE CAN'T PUT EIGHT FOOT FENCES.
UH, WE KNOW YOU'VE WANTED TO PUT ONE TOO.
UH, NONE OF YOUR, CLAUDIA, DID ANY OF THE OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA HAVE EIGHT FOOT FENCES? OR IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS EIGHT FOOT FENCES THAT, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UH, AND WE HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AS A COMMISSION.
UM, THE GUIDELINES ARE WHAT THEY ARE.
AND I'M SORRY THAT, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED NATURAL? UH, LIKE PUTTING IN SOME WAX LEAF LIGUSTRUMS THAT'LL COVER EIGHT FEET AND SOME
IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT THE, THE CEDAR FENCE, THE PRIVACY THAT IT PROVIDES, UM, YOU KNOW, IT PUT THE, THE, THE CEDAR FENCE UP TO SIX FEET AND THEN BEYOND THAT YOU COULD PUT SOME BIG SHRUBS THAT'LL COVER EVERYTHING.
I, I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH SOMEBODY GOING OVER THE SIX FOOT FENCE VERSUS, UH, THE TROUBLE IT WOULD BE TO GET OVER AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
SO IT, IT'S THE, THE FACT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A POOL IN THE BACKYARD AND, UM, NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE POOLS AND KIDS LIKE TO BE KIDS AND THEY JUMP FENCES AND, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA HAVE A NEIGHBOR KID IN MY BACKYARD POOL THAT, UH, SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
SO I THINK AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE BRINGS ON THAT LEVEL OF, UH, ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, SECURITY THAT A SIX FOOT FENCE JUST CAN'T PROVIDE.
UM, BUT I, I DO CONSIDER, AND I, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE, LIKE THE CURRENT STANDING, UH, YOU KNOW, FENCE GUIDELINES, RULES, GUIDE GUIDELINES, BUT THIS IS WHY Y'ALL EXIST, IS, UH, SIMPLY TO, UH, NOT NECESSARILY PASS THOSE GUIDELINES UP, BUT TO GIVE ME THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SO I CAN, I CAN DO THAT.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY TAKE THIS SAME, THE SAME DEAL, BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT IT AS MUCH AS MYSELF BECAUSE YOU WOULD'VE BEEN HERE AND YOU WOULD'VE DONE THE WORK.
SO I THINK THAT THAT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT ANYBODY WHO WANTS SOMETHING FROM THE COMMISSION HAS TO SIT HERE AND SPEAK IN FRONT OF EACH ONE OF Y'ALL.
AND I, IF YOU REALLY WANTED AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, LIKE YOU SAID, EVERYBODY WANTS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, BUT IF THEY REALLY WANTED IT, WELL THEY'D DO THIS, BUT NOBODY OBVIOUSLY CARES ABOUT IT THAT MUCH.
OR THEY JUST BUILD IT LIKE THERE'S EIGHT FOOT FENCES.
MY NEIGHBOR BEHIND ME HAS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR IT.
SO THERE ARE EIGHT FOOT FENCES ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO DO IT RIGHT AND IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING PEOPLE DO, RIGHT.
THEY JUST BUILD IT AND THEY, THEY, IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING THAT USUALLY Y'ALL HEAR ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING SO, YOU KNOW, OVER THE, IT JUST
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GOES OVER PEOPLE'S HEAD.THEY JUST DON'T THINK THAT, OH, OKAY, I CARE TO GO DOWN HERE AND DO THIS.
THEY COME HERE WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY OR YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGHT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ON THE OTHER, OTHER END.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CLARIFICATIONS? I'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
HOWEVER, I TEND TO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT THE RULES ARE THE RULES.
I'LL, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH A SECOND ROLL CALL.
UH, COMMISSIONER SETZER, COULD YOU SPEAK FOR YOUR VOTE AGAIN PLEASE? WE'RE HAVING AUDIO IS RIGHT NOW, MY SON, HIS MOUTH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX EIGHT CAD CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 9 2 17 CLAUDIA STREET.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A GARDEN LOOP FENCE AT THE FRONT YARD WITH A PEDESTRIAN GATE TWO.
INSTALL A GARDEN LOOP DRIVEWAY GATE ALONG THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE, THE DEFENSE AND GATE HEIGHT DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND TWO THAT THE DRIVEWAY GATE BE PLACED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
THE APPLICANT, LEE BEAKLEY IS HERE IN PERSON.
AND THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER TO, UH, FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW.
UH, MR. BEAKLEY, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND UH, PRESENT YOUR CASE.
HEY GUYS, THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
YOURSELF TOO? PARDON? IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
UM, YEAH, I'M JUST PUTTING A KIND OF LIKE IT WAS DESCRIBED, THE FOUR FOOT FRONT LOOP FENCE TRADITIONAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THERE'S ONE ABOUT FOUR DOORS DOWN FROM ME AND THEN JUST CEDAR POST FENCE, UM, FENCE POSTS.
SO, UH, AUTOMATED GATE SLIDING, SLIDE THE GATE OPEN, PULL IN AND PARK INSIDE THE DRIVEWAY.
CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION? PLEASE DO.
UM, UH, SO IN TERMS OF THE TWO STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, ONE THAT THE FENCE AND GATE DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET AND TWO THAT THE DRIVEWAY BE PLACED, UH, BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE, DO YOU AGREE TO ACCEPT THOSE STIPULATIONS FROM THE STAFF? WELL, THE DRIVEWAY GATE WOULD BE ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE FENCE, NOT WITH THE BUILDING.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION, COREY? SO I, I I CAN ADD SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, LOOK AT THE SCREEN, UM, BASICALLY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION PER GUIDELINES AND THE FENCE POLICY DOCUMENT IS TO PLACE DRIVEWAY GATES BEHIND THE FRONT WALL PLANE OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND SO TYPICALLY IF THIS WERE TO MEET GUIDELINES, THE DRIVEWAY GATE WOULD BE HERE IN THIS HIGHLIGHTED PORTION.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT TODAY IS REQUESTING THAT THE COMPLIANCE TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD APPROVE A DRIVEWAY GATE THAT ALONG THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, AND MADAM CHAIR ALSO, WE DO HAVE A, UM, A LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAM GROUP IN YOUR FOLDERS.
AND WE ALSO TOO HAVE A VOICEMAIL AS WELL.
GO AHEAD AND PLAY A VOICEMAIL.
BRIAN, MY NAME IS LISA LIN, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING TWO 17 CLAUDIA.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWS THE APPLICATION AND THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
DRIVEWAY GATES IN KING WILLIAM ARE PREDOMINANTLY LOCATED AT THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AS REQUESTED
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IN THE APPLICATION, THE GUIDELINES PERMIT VACANT VARIANCES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.AND THAT CONCLUDES, UM, THE VOICEMAILS.
SO BRIAN, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR MY COLLEAGUES, INSTEAD OF, UM, THE USUAL RECOMMENDATION THAT OHP WOULD MAKE, UM, FOR IT TO BE ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE FRONT OF THAT VEHICLE IS, UM, IT'S TO BE WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS, THE FRONT SIDEWALK.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION IS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATE, SO LONG AS THE DRIVEWAY GATE IS PLACED, AS YOU MENTIONED, ROUGHLY WHERE THE, THE FRONT OF THE VEHICLE IS.
SO RIGHT BEHIND THIS, UH, WALL PLANE HERE, UM, HOWEVER, IT'S THE, THE APPLICANT TODAY IS REQUESTING THAT THE DRIVEWAY GATE BE PLACED ALONG THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE SIDEWALK OR PARALLEL TO THE SIDEWALK.
UM, AND THEY ALSO DO HAVE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT AS WELL.
AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, IS IN FULL SUPPORT AND THAT IS THE PREDOMINANT PATTERN WITHIN KING WILLIAM AT, AT TO HAVE IT AT THE, THAT IS, THAT IS THEIR FINDING? YES.
IS THAT YOURS? IS IT OH PS
IT HAS BEEN APPROVED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
UM, OUR POLICY IS THAT THE FRONT YARD FENCE IS, UM, LIKE SPECIFIC TO THE TRADITIONAL FRONT YARD AREA AND NOT SPANNING ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, BUT IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BASED ON EITHER PREVIOUS CONDITIONS ON THE SITE OR IF, UH, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY ALSO HAS A FENCE THAT WE CONNECT TO THE DRIVEWAY GATE.
UM, JUST AGAIN, CASE BY CASE BASIS.
DO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES HAVE MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR DOES.
OH, HE LIKE LITERALLY JUST PUT IT IN AND, AND ONE PROBLEM IS THE DRIVEWAY'S A SO NARROW THAT AN F-150, THE DOOR OPENS UP WHEN YOU PULL, WHEN YOU'RE FORCED TO PULL IN.
YEAH, I AM LITERALLY HITTING THE, EITHER THE TRASH CANS ARE THERE OR THE HOUSE, SO IT CAN BE VERY NARROW.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, RECOMMENDATIONS? SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO BE UP AGAINST THE BUILDING, BUT I I CAN ACTUALLY REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO THAT OR, OR NO.
UM, WE INCLUDE IT AS A STIPULATION.
YOU CAN ACCEPT THE STIPULATION OR REMOVE IT FROM THE MOTION.
SO WE CAN REMOVE THE STIPULATION, CORRECT IN THE MOTION? YES.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION APPROVING.
UM, THE APPLICATION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED, REMOVING THE STIPULATIONS.
SO THAT WOULD BE WITHOUT STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES.
SO HE CAN HAVE IT AT THE FRONT SIDEWALK VERSUS THE FRONT FACADE.
THERE'S CURRENTLY A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION'S ORIGINAL APPLICATION AND REMOVING THE STIPULATION TO GO.
I SECOND MAY I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? UH, SINCE THERE WERE TWO STIPULATIONS, THE SECOND ONE WAS THE LOCATION OF THE, OF THE FENCE AND THEN THE FIRST ONE WAS THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE.
UM, WOULD, WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE TO INCLUDE THE FIRST STIPULATION SO THAT THE FENCE WOULD STILL HAVE UH, A HEIGHT OF NO MORE THAN FOUR FEET? YES.
IS THAT UP TO THE MOTION MAKER? YES.
SO NOT TO EXCEED THE FOUR FEET AS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
SO THE MOTION IS ACCEPT THE APPLICATION'S ORIGINAL APPLICATION WITH THE STIPULATION NOT TO EXCEED FOUR FEET.
CAN I TAKE A ROLL CALL? VOTE DAVIS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN HDRC CASE NUMBER 20 24 2 5 5 8 0 6 NORTH OLIVE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL ARTIFICIAL TURF THROUGHOUT THE FRONT YARD.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE AMOUNT OF ARTIFICIAL TURF COVERAGE BE REDUCED SO THAT AT LEAST 50% OF THE FRONT YARD CAN RETAIN APPROPRIATE PLANTINGS.
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THE APPLICANT, MR. LUIS DE LA CRUZ IS HERE IN PERSON.MY NAME, UH, LIVE IN 8 0 6 NORTH OLIVE.
UM, I JUST GOT THE HOUSE IN, UH, AROUND FEBRUARY.
I LOVE NEIGHBORHOOD, GREAT ATMOSPHERE OUT THERE.
UM, I'M RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DIGNA WITTY PARK.
THEY JUST BUILT AND SPENT, UM, A LOT OF MONEY ON, SO A LOT OF PEOPLE COME AROUND THE AREA AND, UM, WALK THEIR DOGS, SKATE, DO EVERYTHING RUN.
SO I'D SAY MY, MY BLOCK IS, UM, IT'S A PRETTY, UM, EYE CATCHERS, SO I I GET THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE GO THROUGH THERE, YOU KNOW, IF ANYONE DOES ANYTHING THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING, UM, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS GONNA SEE IT.
SO, UM, KINDA KIND OF GOT THE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT A LITTLE BIT I GUESS.
BUT, UM, AS FAR AS HERE, UM, YEAH I DID PUT THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.
UM, SO, UM, I GUESS I PLAY PICKLEBALL AT THE FAIRCHILD, UM, COURTS THERE.
SO, UM, SOME PEOPLE DO LIVE IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I WAS ASKING, UM, SO I WAS LIKE, HEY, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO, DO FOR THE FENCE? LIKE, DO YOU NEED A PERMIT? THEY'RE LIKE, YES, YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT, UM, TWO DIFFERENT PHASES.
YOU GOTTA GET THE, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATION AND THEN APP APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEN YOU HAD TO GO TO THE CITY.
SO I WAS LIKE, ONLY TO THE HOUSE OR HOW DOES THIS WORK? LIKE, LIKE THIS IS VERY NEW TO ME.
AND UM, THEY WERE LIKE, NO, IT SHOULD JUST BE FOR THE HOUSE.
AND THEN, UM, ONE DAY, SOMETIME IN, UM, JUNE OR JULY I GOT A NOTICE OF THE INVESTIGATION, THE LITTLE PINK CARD ON MY DOOR OR YEAH, ON MY DOOR.
AND UM, THAT'S WHEN I NOTICED, I WAS LIKE, WELL, I CALL IT.
AND THEN, UM, THEY KINDA EXPLAINED THAT NO MATTER WHAT ANYTHING ON THE ACTUAL PROPERTY YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UM, I GUESS THROUGH THE CHAIN, SO YEAH, ON THE EXTERIOR ON THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, I KIND OF FIGURED THAT ANYTHING LIKE NOT ON THE HOUSE WOULD BE OKAY, BUT NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, YOU DO HAVE TO GET EVERY, NO MATTER WHAT, IF IT'S ON, UM, IF IT'S A SMALL, UM, AREA OF THE, THE YARD OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH UM, APPROVAL.
SO, UM, YEAH, AND THE REASON WHY I CHOSE THIS IS BECAUSE I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY NICE.
UM, AGAIN, I KNOW THAT, UM, RULES ARE RULES THAT I GET THAT I KIND OF HEARD THAT FROM THE LAST GENTLEMAN THAT WAS UP HERE.
AND, UM, MY, MY THING IS LIKE, I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK NICE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO STEP ON ANYONE'S TOES.
UH, THE REASON WHY, UM, I EMAILED HIM AS SOON AS I GOT IT, I CALLED HIM.
UM, AND I GET IT, EVERYONE'S BUSY, UH, DIDN'T ANSWER, BUT I DEFINITELY EMAILED HIM.
SO I HAD A PAPER TRAIL ON EVERYTHING.
SO MY THING IS, I'M, I'M HERE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
I AM, BUT I'M ALSO HERE TO ALSO MAKE THE NEIGHBOR LOOK REALLY GOOD, UM, MOVING INTO NUITY.
UM, A LOT OF MY FRIENDS LIVE THERE AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF YOUNGER KIDS I WOULD SAY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU LOOK AT ME LIKE, WHAT IS THIS KID DOING HERE? NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
BUT, UM, NO, MY, MY MAIN THING IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN AS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GET OLDER AND YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA MOVE OUTTA THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WE ARE THE NEXT ONE UP.
YOU KNOW, I WILL BE THAT PERSON IN 10, 20 YEARS.
I LOVE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE I SAID.
UM, MY THING IS I WANNA FOLLOW THE RULES, BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE MY PROPERTY LOOK GOOD AND, AND JUST KEEP ON GOING WITH IT.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, ANY QUESTIONS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS VERY NEW TO ME.
OKAY, WELL FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING? YES.
SO I GUESS LIKE TAKING HALF OF IT.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, I GUESS I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
SO WHEN IS 50% OF THE LAWN THAT'S INCLUDING JUST THE WHOLE FRONT, CORRECT? THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THE FRONT YARD.
OKAY, SO LIKE THE WHOLE MEASURING NOT TO DO THE MEASUREMENTS FOR THE HOLDING AND THEN 50% OF THAT.
AND UH, COMMISSIONERS, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER THIS WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL THAT I'LL PLAY.
UH, BUT UM, ESSENTIALLY THE APPLICANT COULD REMOVE 50% OF THE FRONT YARD TURF IN THE AREA THAT HE CHOOSES.
UH, AND THEN INSTALL 50% OR NATIVE GROUND COVERINGS OVER THE OTHER 50%.
SO THERE'S, UH, WITHIN THE FRONT YARD.
SO THERE IT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT'S DISCRETION.
UM, BUT UH, I GUESS BEFORE QUESTIONS I'LL PLAY THE VOICEMAIL AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO QUESTIONS.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE ES AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CTA CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 55 LOCATED AT 8 0 6 NORTH OLIVE.
WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD REPLACE 50% OF THE CURRENTLY APPLIED TURF WITH SELECT NATIVE AND OR ZURICH PLANTS THAT THRIVE IN LOCAL CONDITIONS.
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WE HAVE POSTED IN THE DIG WOODY HILL STRAIT TALK FACEBOOK SITE ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS REGARDING INSTALLING NOT JUST TURF, BUT OTHER IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL IN FRONT YARDS AND HAVE INCLUDED THE SPECIFIC SECTIONS IN THE OHP GUIDELINE THAT PROVIDE THE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES.THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS, NOT NECESSARILY THIS APPLICANT WHO FEEL THEY DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THESE GUIDELINES, WHICH IS WHY WE PUBLICLY POST ABOUT THEM WITH DETAILED SECTION DESCRIPTIONS.
OTHER APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN HELD TO THE STANDARD OF REPLACING THEIR 100% INSTALLED TURF FRONT YARD WITH 50% NATIVE PLANTING.
FOR ALL THE REASONS LISTED THIS APPLICANT SHOULD BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS HAVE YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROVIDING HIM LIKE GUIDELINES AND, AND EXAMPLES, CORRECT? UH, WE CAN PROVIDE HIM EXAMPLES, BUT HE HAS BEEN PROVIDED THE GUIDELINES AND SPECIFICALLY, UM, WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE? UM, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE PHONE PREVIOUSLY, UM, AND SORRY TO GO DOWN THIS SIDETRACK, IS THAT UM, IF HE WANTED TO REMOVE THE TURF FROM THE FRONT YARD, HE COULD THEN POTENTIALLY TRANSFER THAT TO THE REAR YARD, UH, WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN INSTALL ZURICH OR NATIVE, UH, PLANT COVERINGS, UH, WITHIN THE 50% THAT'S REMAINING IN THE FRONT YARD.
MR. DE LA CRUZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT BEING ABLE TO MEET THE 50% GUIDELINES? THE ONLY REASON I'M SAYING IS BECAUSE ONE, I DON'T WANT IT TO GET LONG-WINDED FIRST AND FOREMOST.
AND YOU STATED FROM THE BEGINNING THAT YOU'RE A RULE FOLLOWER, SO, AND THE FACT THAT WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE HERE TRYING TO CORRECT THAT, BUT 50% OF IT IN GIVING GUIDELINES AND EXAMPLES, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN COMPLY WITH? SO AS FAR AS COMPLYING, UM, I WOULD LIKE IT TO STAY THE SIZE THAT IT IS 'CAUSE I ALREADY BOUGHT IT.
UM, THE MAIN THING IS, LIKE I SAID, I'M A, I'M VERY BY THE RULES, BUT THE ONLY THINGS THAT I GUESS IT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME IS THAT SEEING OTHER PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE LIKE Z LIKE EVERYTHING'S LIKE STONED IN THE FRONT.
NOT EVERYBODY, LEMME REPHRASE THAT.
UM, BUT THEN LIKE WALKING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN LIKE FIVE MINUTES YOU'D FIND HOUSES THAT HAVE ZERO, JUST THIS, UM, JUST ROCKS AND STONE.
SO I GUESS THAT'S LIKE MY KIND OF ISSUE THAT'S LIKE MY ISSUE HERE.
I'D SAY THAT'S KIND OF LIKE MY ARGUMENT.
I WOULD SAY I'M NOT HERE TO NITPICK OR ANYTHING.
AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF AS WELL.
HOWEVER, MR. DE LA CRUZ, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU START MODELING THE EXAMPLE AND BEING THE LEAD IF YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING A HIGH PROFILE AREA AND YOU'RE WANTING TO BEAUTIFY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'RE BEING PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU VERSUS BEING ADVERSIVE, RIGHT? AND I GET IT, BUT HERE WE'RE ADDRESSING YOU, WE GIVE EXAMPLES OF OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE GIVE EXAMPLES OF OTHER HOMES.
BUT YOU STATED THAT YOU'RE A RURAL FOLLOWER.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT I'M, I'M HAVING A PROBLEM NOT BEING ABLE TO GO BACK AND MAKE REFERENCE IS DOING THE RIGHT THING EVEN WHEN NOBODY'S WATCHING, HOLDING US ACCOUNTABLE HERE TO HEAR YOU.
BUT WE'RE ALSO HERE TO HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CLARIFICATIONS, OR QUESTIONS? YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UH, I REALLY RECOG ENJOY HEARING YOU SAY THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE THE NEXT, UH, GENERATION WHO ARE THE CARETAKERS OF THIS HISTORIC.
SO COMES WITH THE, THE DUTY OF HAVING TO STICK TO THE RULES, UH, TO THE GUIDELINES OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU HAVE TO SET THE EXAMPLE FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE 40, 50 YEARS OLD, OF THE 20 SOMETHINGS OR WHATEVER AGE YOU ARE, UH, THAT ARE COMING IN AND WANTING TO PUT THE TURF IN ALL OVER THE YARD, UH, YOU NEED TO SET THE EXAMPLE FOR, UH, THAT 50%.
AND, UM, I, I ENJOY HEARING YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE THE EXAMPLE.
UM, SO THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW AND BE THAT EXAMPLE, UM, CUT IT DOWN TO THE 50% AND EDWARD WOOD.
SO IN THE ILLUSTRATION THERE OR THE PICTURE THERE, WHAT IS THAT STRIP THERE, IS THAT CONSIDERED THE ROW OR WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT PART OF THE 50%? THAT AREA WHERE THERE'S DIRT? UH, UH, THAT'S, UM, JUST THE SPACE THAT'S BETWEEN, UH, WHERE HIS TURF ENDS AND THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY ON, ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, I CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
THAT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS THE 50.
NO, IT COULD, IT'S IN THE FRONT YARD.
JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT SAYING HE HAS TO CUT THE TURF IN HALF.
WE'RE SAYING THAT THE TOTAL YARD AREA CAN BE UP TO 50% TURF.
SO HOW MUCH MORE DOES HE NEED TO CUT? UH, UH, WE WOULD WORK WITH HIM TO KIND
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OF PROVIDE THOSE MEASUREMENTS AND AND CALCULATIONS, BUT SO YOU'RE ALMOST THERE.UH, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M, I, I TALKED TO, I THINK I, I TALKED TO LIKE THREE PEOPLE, BUT, OR TWO PEOPLE.
MY THING IS LIKE I WANNA BE ON THE SAME BOAT, LIKE I SAID.
UM, I AM A RULE FOLLOWER BUT ALSO LIKE, I'M NOT TRYING TO ASK FOR EXCEPTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST ASK THAT WE KIND OF WORK TOGETHER, I GUESS IS THE THING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING ABOUT MAKING THE COMMUNITY GREAT.
LIKE AS FAR AS THE FENCING, I KNOW I DEFINITELY SENT A LOT OF EMAILS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I WANT DENIED OR WHAT'S NOT GOOD OR I HAD TO COME HERE IN FRONT OF Y'ALL FOR, UM, FOR PICKING FENCE AND IT WAS, IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN A HEADACHE BUT IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN A JOURNEY 'CAUSE THIS IS VERY NEW TO ME AND LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF I DO SOMETHING, I WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.
JUST DO IT ONCE AND JUST THAT'S IT.
THAT, THAT'S MY MAIN THING HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S COOL.
BUT YOU'RE ALMOST AT THE, YOU'VE STARTED TOWARDS THAT 50%, THERE'S A BIG STRIP THERE THAT'S UH, YES.
SO WHY DON'T YOU CUT IT BACK JUST A LITTLE MORE TO GET TO THAT 50% AND YOU'RE ALMOST THERE.
UM, QUESTION THOUGH, UM, AS FAR AS HIS DRIVEWAY, I KNOW THAT'S, THERE'S DIRT IN THE MIDDLE AND STUFF.
I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF IT.
UM, BUT SO I, UH, MADAM CHAIR, SO I THINK IF, UM, JUST TO THE APPLICANT, I THINK IF JUST A MOMENT MA'AM.
THERE WAS ONE OTHER PERSON PRIOR TO YOU.
SO LET'S START, LET'S FINISH WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY FIRST.
THE WHAT ED EDWARD, WHAT WAS THAT RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING REAL QUICK? UH, WELL I, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE, THERE'S NO TURF INSTALLED ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE'S A STRIP THAT'S BETWEEN WHERE THE TURF STOPS AND WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY STARTS WHERE THERE'S NO TURF CURRENTLY INSTALLED.
AND, AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE, A APPLICANT COULD EXPAND THAT TO BE PART OF THE 50%.
UM, YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY? YEAH.
SO, UM, IF YOU CAN JUST PULL UP THE NECK, THE OTHER PICTURE I GUESS FROM THE, SO IN THE RIGHT CORNER, RIGHT UNDER UNITED STATES.
SO, UH, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE AS FAR AS THE FRONT LAWN, LIKE, UM, THERE'S LIKE A STRIP OF LIKE DIRT OR GRASS.
WOULD THAT ALSO, THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE FRONT LAWN.
SO ALL THAT MEASUREMENTS WOULD BE INCLUDED, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT.
FACTORED INTO THE 50% AND THEN THE, LIKE THE GUARDIAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE, THAT'S A QUESTION I THINK FOR STAFF BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA RUN INTO THIS ISSUE AGAIN AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL NO, IT'S NOT 50%.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING AS WELL.
I I THINK LET'S LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
UM, AS THE PROPERTY OWNER, HOW ABOUT YOU PROVIDE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE MEASUREMENT OF THE YARD THAT STARTS WHERE YOUR FRONT PORCH ENDS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN WE WILL CALCULATE 50% OF THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO YOU WOULD INCLUDE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FENCE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'D BE THE FRONT YARD, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO, SO ANY, ANYTHING THAT'S NON CONCRETE, LEMME REPHRASE THAT.
ESSENTIALLY FROM, FROM WHERE THIS LINE IS ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE FROM YOUR NORTH PROPERTY LINE TO YOUR SOUTH PROPERTY LINE.
MM-HMM
SO JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, THE HOUSE WHERE IT'S LIKE DIRT ALL THE WAY IN PROP PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
IF, IF THE COMMISSION WHATEVER THEY APPROVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THOSE QUESTIONS WOULD BE FOR STAFF.
WE CAN'T EYEBALL THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS.
UM, BUT YOU WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE STAFF TO DETERMINE THAT.
SEEMS TO ME IF YOU PLANTED A FLOWER BLE FLOWER BED AND SOME SHRUBS AND SOME LIVE VEGETATION, IT WOULD SOLVE A GREAT DEAL OF THAT PROBLEM.
J SIR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE IN THE FLOWER BED OR SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? RIGHT SIR, I AGAIN, I THINK I'M GONNA GO BACK WITH WHAT THE COLLEAGUE SAYS.
LET'S JUST GET THE MEASUREMENTS AND THE MR. DE LA CRUZ CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE EXACT DIMENSIONS.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, I MOVE RATHER THAT WE APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AND THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH THE STAFF TO REACH THE 50% MARK.
SECOND, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STAFF WORK.
AND A SECOND I'LL TAKE ROLL CALL VOTE DAVIS.
MADAM CHAIR, MAY I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT? UH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS SUE US TODAY.
YOU, WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD EXACTLY A LOT OF RAIN SINCE YOU MOVED IN IN JULY, BUT YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A, AN
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EYEBALL LOOK.IT'S HARD TO SAY FROM THE PHOTOS WHICH WAY THE WATER SHEDS OFF OF THIS.
IT MIGHT BE SHEDDING TOWARD YOUR HOUSE AND IF THAT'S THE CASE THAT MIGHT INFLUENCE WHICH SECTION YOU CHOOSE TO REMOVE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, AS, AS HELPFUL REFERENCES, SAWS ALSO HAS SOME PHENOMENAL RESOURCES ON THEIR WEBSITE ABOUT, UH, NATIVE AND DROUGHT RESISTANT LANDSCAPES.
UH, MOST OF WHICH I THINK ALSO UH, CORRELATE WITH UH, HPD GUIDELINES.
AND IF YOU EVER HAPPEN TO BE OVER IN THE SAN ANTONIO BOTANICAL GARDEN SAWS HAS AN EXHIBIT THERE WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE SOME OF THE PLANTS AND GET A SENSE FOR WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AND HOW BIG THEY ARE.
IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, CT A CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 2 7 8 7 0 5 EAST EVERGREEN.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING NONCONFORMING SIDING WITH LA FIBER SIDING FEATURE A FAUX WOOD GRAIN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL LA CEMENT FIBER SIDING WITH A REVEAL EQUAL TO THE EXISTING SIDING AND FEATURES A WOOD, UH, A SMOOTH FINISH.
THE APPLICANT DOORS BLANCOS HERE IN UH, IN PERSON AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, JUAN MARTINEZ, IS ALSO HERE IN PERSON.
UM, AND IF, UH, Y'ALL WANNA GO AHEAD AND START WALKING THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH YOUR REQUEST.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US.
I'M DORIS BLANCO AND THIS IS MY BROTHER JUAN JUAN MARTINEZ.
UM, RECOMMENDATION WE ARE SEEKING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, BUT LIKE DR.
KAREN SAID THAT WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACKWARDS 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THE RULES AND UM, WE JUST WANNA ASK FOR PERMISSION TO FINISH SANDING IT DOWN, PAINTING IT, AND SEEING THE FINAL PRODUCT.
AND WE'RE WORKING CLOSE WITH MR. MORALES TO GET THAT DONE PROPERLY.
AND, UM, I TOOK SOME PICTURES OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS, THE MIDDLE IS THE ORIGINAL APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE BEFORE WE STARTED WORKING ON IT.
THEN ON THE FAR RIGHT YOU SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE, UM, FINISH THE FIRST FRONT AND THEN HOPEFULLY OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE IT LOOK JUST LIKE THE OTHERS THAT ARE THERE.
WE JUST DIDN'T, I LIVE IN A, I LIVE IN A, IN A DISTRICT THAT IS NOT HISTORICAL, SO WE STILL HAVE THAT FREEDOM TO DO AND HE DOESN'T.
SO I THINK IN, IN THAT IT WAS MY FAULT.
IN THAT SENSE IT WAS MY FAULT.
SO I'M SORRY FOR, I GUESS I MISLED HIM.
BUT THEN IN SPEAKING WITH MR. MORALES, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT AND JUST COMING HERE THIS MORNING, IT HAS BEEN AN EYE-OPENING EXPERIENCE FOR US.
UM, NOT KNOWING ALL THE GUIDELINES, BUT HAVING MR. MORALES EXPLAINED TO US, UM, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE GUIDELINES AND, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE IT APPROPRIATE.
MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? LET MAY ASK.
DO WE HAVE ANY LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS? WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL, RIGHT? NO.
WE DO NOT, OKAY, GO AHEAD SIR.
SO Y'ALL ARE IN A FULL AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDS? YES.
UH, WELL HE SAID, UM, WE, WE WANNA SEND IT DOWN.
WE WANNA SEND IT DOWN AND PAINT IT AND MAKE IT APPROPRIATE 'CAUSE AND IS THAT WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL ARE? SO, UM, OUR, OUR CONCERN IS WE'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DONE SUCCESSFULLY.
OH, IF, I MEAN YES, THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH COMPLIANCE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S KNOW IF IT'S FEASIBLE.
AND SO ONE POTENTIAL OUTCOME IS YOU COULD WORK WITH US TO SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE, LIKE DO A SMALL SECTION OR SOMETHING.
UM, BUT THE HARDY MATERIAL IS VERY TOUGH AND SO IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO DO THAT.
WELL IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER HOUSES AROUND, IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER HOUSES AROUND, IT'S BEEN DONE AND, UM, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU TO, TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE.
SO MA'AM, I THINK HE'S SAYING THAT IT, THE OTHER HOUSES ARE PROBABLY WOOD MATERIAL AND THE MATERIAL THAT YOU HAVE IS HARDY.
IS THAT CORRECT? HARDY, HARDY COMES IN DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UM, YOU CAN GET IT SMOOTH, UM, OR IT COMES WITH THE FAUX WOOD GRAIN.
UM, THE FAUX WOOD GRAIN IS WHAT WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING HERE, UM, BECAUSE IT HAS THAT, THAT KIND OF FAKE APPEARANCE.
UM, TYPICALLY THE FAUX WOOD GRAIN PRODUCTS CAN BE TURNED REVERSE.
SO THE BACKSIDE FACES OUT AND THAT'S TYPICALLY SMOOTH.
IT DEPENDS ON THE, THE PRODUCT ITSELF.
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UM, AND BUT I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN ORDER TO AVOID REDOING THAT WORK, YOU'RE WANTING TO STAND IT DOWN.I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY IT MIGHT BE FASTER, CHEAPER JUST TO FLIP IT.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK WHATEVER ACHIEVES COMPLIANCE IS FINE.
I JUST DUNNO HOW FEASIBLE THE SANDING DOWN ACTUALLY IS.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT? GO AHEAD.
UM, SO, UH, WHAT COREY JUST, UM, SAID OR RECOMMENDED WOULD BE TO DO A SMALL SECTION AND THEN COME BACK TO STAFF AND SEE IF IT WAS A FEASIBLE PROJECT.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT? YES.
YEAH, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE MANAGEMENT.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN.
WE ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SECOND, UM, CAN I HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? WHAT'S THE REC AMENDMENT? UHHUH THAT, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, WORK WITH THE STAFF BUT DO A SMALL SECTION FIRST, UM, IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND FEASIBILITY.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF IN A SMALL SECTION TO BE ME.
WELL, AND I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY.
SO THE MOTION IS GONNA REQUIRE THAT THE SITING BE SMOOTH.
HOW THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED IS NOT REALLY ARTICULATED, BUT THEY ARE FREE TO ATTEMPT SANDING AND GIVE US MORE INFORMATION IF THAT'S THE WAY THEY WANT TO GO OR NOT.
IF THEY CAN'T DO THAT, THEN WE STILL HAVE THE ACTION HERE THAT IT HAS TO BE SMOOTH AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIND SOME OTHER SOLUTION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THE MOTION.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I ACCEPT, I AGREE.
AND FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, WE'RE ALL LEARNING.
YOU SAID YOU LEARNED A LOT FROM THIS MEETING.
WE LEARN EVERY SINGLE MEETING.
I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE TO ADJOURN.