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>> HAVRDA: GOOD MORNING. IN IS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING.
WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
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QUORUM. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 20TH MEETING. ACTUALLY ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MINUTES ARE APPROVED. WE HAVE ONE PERSON FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
JOHN BOCKMAN. JOHN? OKIE-DOKE.
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SO WE HAVE AN ITEM ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. DID ANYONE WANT TO HEAR THAT OR WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT ON CONSENT? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.>> MOTION. >> SECOND. >> HAVRDA: WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND
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ITEM, OUR TERRORISM PREVENTION PROGRAM -- SORRY, THAT'S A CONSENT ITEM.MOVE ON TO ITEM 3, THE BRIEFING ON THE CRIME DATA. CALL UP CHIEF.
>> CHIEF: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER FBI REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR CRIME. WE'LL LOOK AT OUR CRIME STATISTICS UPDATE FOR CALENDAR NEAR '24 AND -- YEAR '24 AND I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE DR. MIKE SMITH TO GO OVER THE UTSA VIOLENT CRIME PLAN UPDATE.
SO THE WAY IT WORKS WITH THE FBI WHEN A DEPARTMENT REPORTS THEIR CRIME, IF THERE'S A CRIME EVENT AND THERE ARE SEVERAL CRIMES COMMITTED IN THAT ONE EVENT, ALL OF THOSE CRIMES GET REPORTED TO THE FBI AS OPPOSED TO IN THE PAST ONLY THE MOST SERIOUS CRIME WAS REPORTED. IS FBI UNDER NIBRS, NATIONAL INSTITUTE REPORTING SYSTEM, THERE ARE THREE CRIME CATEGORIES.
USED TO BE JUST ONE. AND THAT'S CRIME AGAINST PERSONS, CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY, AND CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY. THERE ARE 24 CATEGORIES IN THOSE -- IN THAT LIST I JUST MENTIONED AND OVER 50 OFFENSE TYPES THAT FALL UNDER THOSE 24 CATEGORIES. AND THESE CATEGORIES ARE IN GROUP A ARE CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS, I MENTIONED SOCIETY, AND THEN PROPERTY. YOU'VE GOT YOUR VIOLENT CRIMES, CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE FBI ARE CRIMES THAT HAVE NO COMPLAINANT. AND THEN CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY, ALL OF YOUR THEFTS, YOUR VEHICLE THEFTS, YOUR ROBBERIES, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT CRIMES THAT INVOLVE THEFT OF PROPERTY. AND THEN LOOKING AT OUR EMERGENCY AND NON-EMERGENCY CALLS FOR SERVICE IN 2024, FROM JANUARY THROUGH AUGUST WE RECEIVED OVER 1.5 MILLION CALLS, AND THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIMES FOR EMERGENCY SIX MINUTES, 22 SECONDS, NON-EMERGENCY, 20 MINUTES, 29 SECONDS. LOOKING AT OUR CRIME COMPARISON JANUARY TO -- THROUGH AUGUST 2024, WE HAVE A DECREASE OF 3% OVERALL VERSUS THE SAME PERIOD LAST YEAR. AND THEN CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY BEING THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF CRIMES COMMITTED. VIOLENT CRIME DECREASED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE FORCIBLE NON-SEX OFFENSE THIS YEAR VERSUS NONE LAST YEAR. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A 2% DECREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME.
CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY, WE'RE DOWN 2.1%. AND THEN LASTLY, CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY ARE DOWN 3.5% THIS YEAR VERSUS LAST YEAR WITH A SIGNIFICANT DROP
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IN MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT. MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT WAS THE OFFENSE THAT WAS GIVING US THE BLUES IN YEARS PAST. WE HAD A VERY HIGH NUMBER OF MOTOR VEHICLE THEFTS.AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE DR. MIKE SMITH TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE
UTSA CRIME PLAN. >> THANKS, CHIEF. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
DO WE HAVE OUR PRESENTATION? >>
>> YEAH. SORRY. >> YOU THINK I WOULD HAVE FIGURED ALL THAT OUT BY NOW. GOOD MORNING. AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF OUR TEAM AT UTSA THAT ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY AND WITH THE SAPD AS YOUR RESEARCH PARTNERS ON THE EVALUATION OF THE SAN ANTONIO VIOLENT CRIME REDUCTION PLAN. AND WE ARE AT THE BASICALLY YEAR AND A HALF MARK IS WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORNING, WHICH IS -- SO THE RESULTS PRIMARILY WE'LL COVER FROM JANUARY OF THIS YEAR THROUGH JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
SO JANUARY OF 2024 THROUGH JUNE OF 2024. RECOGNIZING THAT WE STARTED THE CRIME PLAN IN JANUARY OF 2023. WE'RE ABOUT 18 MONTHS -- AT THE TIME OF THIS REPORT, ABOUT 18 MONTHS IN. SO AGAIN, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OR REMINDER, I GUESS, OF WHERE WE ARE, THREE EVIDENCE-BASED STRATEGIES MAKE UP THE CRIME PLAN. HOT SPOTS POLICING, WHAT WE CALL PROBLEM ORIENTED PLAY SPACE POLICING. I'VE GOT AN UPDATE ON THAT PARTICULAR COMPONENT THIS TIME AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S UNDERWAY NOW, AND THEN THE LONGER TERM FOCUS TO TERM STRATEGIES WHICH WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YET.
SO I'VE LARGELY GOOD NEWS TO SHERRI THINK TODAY. -- TO SHARE TODAY.
WE CAN SKIP THROUGH THIS. OUR HOT SPOT STRATEGY, RECALL WE DIVIDED THE CITY INTO 100-METER BY 100-METER GRIDS AND THERE'S ABOUT 136 OF THEM IN SAN ANTONIO.
SAPD TREATS ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 30 OF THOSE AT ANY GIVEN 60-DAY PERIOD.
UP UNTIL VERY RECENTLY, THERE WERE BASICALLY TWO TYPES OF TREATMENT.
HIGH VISIBILITY, OFFICERS SITTING FROM, ALL THE LIGHTS ON THEIR CAR ILLUMINATED FOR 15 MINUTES DURING PEAK CRIME HOURS, PEAK CRIME DAYS, AT THOSE 20 TO 30 LOCATIONS.
SUPPLEMENTED IN SOME CASES WITH WHAT WE CALL HIGH VISIBILITY PLUS WHERE OFFICERS ACTUALLY GET OUT OF THE CAR, WALK AROUND, FOOT PATROL IN THE IMMEDIATE, INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO THOSE ARE THE TREATMENTS.
THE GOAL HERE IS TO DRIVE DOWN CRIME IN THOSE HIGH CRIME AREAS AND THEREFORE HOPEFULLY IMPACT VIOLENT CRIME IN LARGER AREAS, MAYBE EVEN CITYWIDE.
THAT'S WHERE THIS NEXT GRAPH TAKES YOU. ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE WAS THE TREND IN VIOLENT CRIME BEFORE THE CRIME PLAN STARTED IN THE RED.
THE DARK BLUE BAR THERE IS WHEN THE CRIME PLAN BEGAN IN JANUARY OF 2023.
AND THEN THE LIGHTER BLUE BAR FURTHER TO THE RIGHT IS THE SIX-MONTH PERIOD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, JANUARY TO JUNE OF 2024. AND SO THE OVERALL TREND OBVIOUSLY IS ISN'T IN THE DIRECTION WE HAD HOPED. THE SAPD HAS LARGELY REVERSED THE INCREASING TREND IN VIOLENT CRIME THAT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THE CRIME PLAN. FLATTENED THE CURVE, IF YOU WILL, AND IN FACT IT'S GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION NOW, IT'S HEADING DOWNWARD. THE LAST -- THE MOST RECENT SIX-MONTH PERIOD, THAT'S ABOUT A 5% DECREASE COMPARED TO THE SAME MONTHS IN 2023.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE YEAR BEFORE THE CRIME PLAN STARTED IN 2022, WE'VE ACTUALLY SENITATH A 17% DECREASE IN VIOLENT CRIMES SINCE THE CRIME PLAN STARTED. AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY GOOD NEWS AND WE'RE PLEASED TO SHOW A GRAPH THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT. BROWN -- BROKEN DOWN BY CRIME TYPE, MURDERS ARE DOWN QUITE A BIT. 28, 29%.
INDIVIDUAL ROBBERIES ABOUT 9%. BUSINESS ROBBERIES ARE UP SOMEWHAT. AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS ARE DOWN.
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DEADLY CONDUCT IS DOWN. THIS JUST BREAKS THOSE FINDINGS OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BY THE SUBSTATION LEVEL. BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING -- WHAT YOU'RE HOPING TO SEE IS THE GREEN BAR SHOULD BE SHORTER THAN THE BLUE BAR. THAT'S THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2024 VERSUS THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2023. AND YOU SEE THAT'S THE CASE IN ALL BUT CENTRAL AND NORTH. CENTRAL AND NORTH ARE ACTUALLY UP A LITTLE BIT COMPARED TO LAST YEAR AND WE'RE GOING TO -- YOU'LL SEE SOLIDS IN A MINUTE THAT WILL --L BREAK THAT DOWN FURTHER. THIS BREAKS THE CRIME REDUCTION DOWN CITYWIDE ON THE LEFT. YOUR MID-YEAR TREATMENT GRIDS ARE DOWN ABOUT 8% COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. REMEMBER, WE'VE GOT TWO TREATMENT TYPES GOING ON, HIGH VIS. THAT 60% NUMBER, THOSE ARE REALLY SMALLNESS AND WHEN YOU HAVE SMALL NUMBERS YOU GET BIG PERCENTAGE INCREASES.SO OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD LIKE ALL THOSE BARS TO BE GREEN, BUT WE'RE NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND IN FACT, SAPD HAS MOVED ALL OF THEIR TREATMENT NOW IN THE MOST RECENT PERIOD TO HIGH VIS PLUS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DOCUMENT AND WE'VE DONE SOME ANALYSIS OVER TIME THAT THE HIGH VIS IS MORE EFFECTIVE OVERTIME THAN HIGH VIS ALONE. ALL OF THE TREATMENT GRIDS ARE HIGH VIS PLUS.
AGAIN, THIS BREAKS IT DOWN FURTHER BY SUBSTATION. AGAIN, THE RED BARS, PARTICULARLY THE 166%, THAT'S TREATMENT IN CENTRAL. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD RATHER IT BE GREEN, BUT WE'RE NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT EITHER.
THAT'S A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE CHANGE THAT'S PRODUCING THAT -- OR SMALL COUNT CHANGE, RATHER, THAT'S PRODUCING THAT BIG INCREASE. AGAIN, OVERALL WE'RE DOWN IN ALMOST EVERY PLACE IN THE CITY AND WE'RE DOWN CITYWIDE.
SO -- AND THAT INCREASE, BY THE WAY, AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A NEW SUBSTATION NOW WELL. NOW WE'VE -- YOU'VE SPLIT THOSE UP.
CENTRAL IS -- THAT NUMBER IS BEING DRIVEN ALMOST ENTIRELY BY CRIME ON THE NEAR EAST SIDE OF THE CITY, SO NOT IN WHAT IS NOW THE CURRENT DOWNTOWN SUBSTATION.
SO THIS IS THE RESULTS FOR ARRESTS AND I'LL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TWO TYPES OF ARRESTS THAT ARE PARTICULARLY MEANINGFUL FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE CRIME PLAN. SO VIOLENT CRIME ARRESTS, THAT'S THE SECOND SET OF BARS IN FROM THE LEFT, YOU SEE THOSE ARE DOWN ABOUT 7% CITYWIDE AND DOWN BY A THIRD IN YOUR TREATMENT AREAS. THAT CATHETUS A TREATMENT EFFECT THAT IS VERY -- INDICATES A TREATMENT EFFECT. VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN AND VIOLENT ARRESTS ARE DOWN AS WELL. THEN THE SECOND SET OF BARS IN FROM THE RIGHT ARE REPS-RELATED ARRESTS. -- WEAPONS-RELATED ARRESTS.
YOU CAN SEE WEAPONS AND VIOLENT CRIME GO HAND IN HAND AND YOU CAN SEE THE TREND IN WEAPONS-RELATED ARRESTS ARE DOWN CITYWIDE AND IN TREATMENT GRIDS.
THOSE ARE BOTH IMPORTANT TRENDS WE KEEP AN EYE ON CAREFULLY AS WE DO THESE ANALYSIS. THIS GIVES A SNAPSHOT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE.
VIOLENCE RELATED ARE DOWN CITYWIDE A LITTLE BIT AND DOWN EVEN MORE IN YOUR TREATED HOT SPOTS BY ABOUT 8%. AGAIN, IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HOPE TO SEE. IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERALL TREND BOTH IN VIOLENT CRIME AND ALSO IN VIOLENT ARRESTS. SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS AS WELL.
WE REPORT OUT EVERY TIME, AS YOU KNOW, ON WHAT WE CALL TREATMENT FIDELITY, THE EXTENT TO WHICH OFFICERS ARE IN THE LOCATIONS WE WANT THEM TO BE AND ACCORDING TO THE TREATMENT SCHEDULES. THE LAST THREE PERIODS THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TABLE ARE THE THREE PERIODS THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2024.
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SO, YOU KNOW, TREATMENT FIDELITY WAS A LITTLE UNDER 80%, A LITTLE LOWER THAN I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S LOWER THAN IT WAS IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE CRIME PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, SAPD HAS HAD SOME CHALLENGES ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK THEY ARE COMMITTED TO BRINGING THAT NUMBER BACK UP AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE SECOND PHASE OF THE CRIME PLAN AND I INDICATED WE HAVE SOME UPDATES FOR YOU. SO THE FIRST LOCATION FOR PHASE 2 OR THE PROBLEM ORIENTED STRATEGY HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AT 1303 RIGSBY AVENUE. THAT'S A TYPO. 1303 RIGSBY, THAT'S ROSEMONT AND HIGHLAND PARK. AND THAT LOCATION WAS CHOSEN BASED ON A TWO-YEAR ANALYSIS THAT WE DID OF VIOLENT CRIME AND CALLS FOR SERVICE IN SAN ANTONIO ACROSS A TWO-YEAR PERIOD. THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS RANKED FOURTH IN BOTH OF THOSE METRICS. AND THE WORKING GROUP THAT PUT TOGETHER THE OPERATIONS PLAN AND THE -- AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO WHOM THEY REPORT CHOSE ROSEMONT AS SATURDAY OF THE DEMONSTRATION LOCATION OR PILOT LOCATION BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE PROVIDED. SO AT RIGSBY, THE GROUP -- THE GROUP THAT'S WORKING THERE, THE WORKING GROUP, MEMBERS OF A PRETTY BROAD AWAY OF CITY DEPARTMENTS CAME TOGETHER TO DO A DEEP DIVE ON DATA ANALYSIS ON WHAT THE ISSUES ARE DOWN THERE, AND THEN TO DESIGN A SET OF STRATEGIES AROUND THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY IDENTIFIED. THAT BULLET POINT LIST IS SOME OF THE MAJOR PROBLEMS THAT THE GROUP IDENTIFIED THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW.THINGS LIKE RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT WITH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, TRESPASSING, NEARBY HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT. WHAT WE WOULD CALL FISCAL DISORDER, ABANDONED VEHICLES, STRAY ANIMALS, TRAP TRASH. AND THEN SOME SECURITY DEFICIENCIES. ALL OF THESE ARE ON THE PROBLEM LIST AND THE WORKING GROUP HAS DESIGNED SOLUTIONS AND INTERVENTIONS TO ADDRESS EVERY ONE OF THEM.
AND THAT WORK IS UNDERWAY NOW. IT BEGAN IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. WE'LL HAVE FULL IMPACT RESULTS OF THAT FOR YOU WHEN WE REPORT OUT IN JANUARY AT THE TWO-YEAR MARK, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, KNOW THAT THAT WORK IS UNDERWAY AT THAT SITE AND THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY. AND SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE WHERE WE ARE, WE'VE GOT ABOUT A 5% DECREASE IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2024 COMPARED TO LAST YEAR IN VIOLENT STREET CRIME. THAT'S ABOUT A 17% DECREASE SINCE WE STARTED THE CRIME PLAN COMPARED TO THE YEAR BEFORE THE CRIME PLAN WENT INTO EFFECT. ALL TYPES OF CRIME ARE DOWN EXCEPT FOR BUSINESS ROBBERIES. YOUR LARGEST DECREASE WAS SEEN IN MURDER, WHICH IS GREAT. OVERALL, CITYWIDE VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN ABOUT 8% IN YOUR TREATED HOT SPOTS WITH SOME OF THAT VARIATION BY SUBSTATION AND BY TREATMENT TYPE THAT I SHOWED EARLIER. AND YOUR VIOLENCE-RELATED ARRESTS AND VIOLENCE-RELATED CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE ALSO DOWN CITYWIDE AND IN THE TREATED AREAS.
SO THAT'S -- BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. WHAT ARE NEXT STEPS? HOT SPOT POLICING CONTINUES. THE MOST RECENT TREATMENT PERIOD, BY THE WAY, THAT WE JUST FINISHED THE ANALYSIS YESTERDAY IS REALLY GOOD. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT COVERS JULY AND AUGUST, AND THOSE ARE YOUR PEEK CRIME MONTHS IN SAN ANTONIO.
AND VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD STRONGLY IN --N YOUR TREATED AREAS.
SO THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE SEEN TO DATE CONTINUES. I GUESS I WOULD SAY, ACROSS THOSE TWO REALLY PEAK CRIME MONTHS IN THE SUMMER. AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS HEADING INTO THE FALL. AND SO, AGAIN, WORK CONTINUES AT RIGSBY AVENUE.
WE'LL REPORT OUT TO YOU IN THE EARLY PART OF 2025 WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT WORK HAS
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BEEN TO DATE. AND THEN WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH -- INTERNALLY WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WITH MARIA AND -- BOTH MARIAS AND CHIEF MCMANUS ABOUT RESOURCE NEEDS AND THE INITIAL PLANNING THAT WOULD BE NEED TO DO BRING THAT STRATEGY ONLINE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE. AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD NEWS REPORT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVEAND HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU, SO MUCH. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANKS, CHIEF.
IT'S GOOD NEWS, LIKE YOU SAID. SO I LIKE TO SEE ALL THE DECREASES SPECIFICALLY IN BURGLARS AND -- WELL, STOLEN PROPERTY IS UP.
THAT'S THE BIG RED BAR? >> NO, NO, THAT WAS CRIME IN THE CENTRAL AREA TREATMENT GRIDS. WE ACTUALLY DON'T TRACK PROPERTY CRIME WITH OUR ANALYSIS, BUT CHIEF MCMANUS GAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT, I BELIEVE.
>> HAVRDA: IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE DECREASES. I WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE TIME ON SLIDE -- ON MINE IT'S 15, MIGHT BE 5 ON YOURS, THAT LONGER CHART YOU HAVE. NOT THAT ONE. IT'S THE RED LINE AND THE GREEN LINE. IT WAS IN YOUR PRESENTATION. ANYWAY --
>> WE'LL GET THERE. >> HAVRDA: IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JULY OF '19 OVER TO
JUNE OF 2024. >> RIGHT THERE? >> HAVRDA: THAT'S THE ONE.
I SEE A NOTE SINCE JULY OF ' 19 THROUGH THE PANDEMIC IT TRENDED UP AND STARTING TO TREND DOWN FOR THE MOST PART. CAN YOU SHOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THE 19? DOES IT GO UP AEN DOWN? I'M CURIOUS IF YOU DIDN'T USE THIS ONE SNAPSHOT OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WOULD IT BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR HISTORY
OF CRIME STATISTICS? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA ON THIS PRESENTATION, BUT YES, IN OUR YEAR REPORT WE WENT BACK FIVE YEARS ON THE DATA. AND SHOWED YOU YEAR BY YEAR.
SO MY RECOLLECTION, AND ROB, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME OUT -- >> I DON'T THINK IT WENT BACK MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT. FIVE-YEAR WINDOW IS ABOUT WHAT WE NORMALLY LOOK AT THE
LONGEST VIEW IN TERMS OF HOW THINGS LOOK. >> HAVRDA: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LONGER TRENDS AND IF IT'S A PATTERN WE JUST GO UP AND DOWN.
WHILE THIS IS ALL GOOD INFORMATION, HOW ARE YOU ATTRIBUTING IT TO THIS
PARTICULAR PROGRAM? >> YEAH, SO AT THE YEAR -- AT THE MAJOR -- AT THE YEAR MARKS, WE DO A WHOLE SET OF WE REPORTED THOSE TO YOU IN JANUARY OF 2023 AND -- 2024, RATHER, AND WILL REPORT AGAIN IN JANUARY 2025. WHERE WE DO ANALYSIS AT THE CITYWIDE LEVEL AND DO SOME DIFFERENCE IN DIFFERENCES ANALYSIS AT THE HOT SPOT LEVEL. BOTH OF THOSE TECHNIQUES ARE DESIGNED TO GET CLOSER TO THE CAUSAL INFERENCE THAT YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT. WE DON'T DO THOSE IN THE SIX MONTHS -- AT THE SIX-MONTH MARK, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW BECAUSE YOU NEED A YEAR'S WORTH OF DATA TO DO THEM. SO YOU WILL SEE THOSE
RESULTS AGAIN IN JANUARY OF '25 AS YOU DID LAST YEAR. >> HAVRDA: OKAY.
THE NEXT PRESENTATION I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE -- >> AND THEY WILL BE THERE IN
THE NEXT PRESENTATION. >> HAVRDA: YEAH. AND AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD CHALLENGES -- AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SEE -- ONE OF THE CHALLENGES YOU CHANGED RMSS HERE AND THAT HAS CREATED SOME DATA
CHALLENGES GOING BACK THAT FAR. >> HAVRDA: OKAY.
OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. WE DID COLLECT THAT DATA, THOUGH, RIGHT, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING COMPARABLE? I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LONG-TERM TREND.
SO THE LAST THING IS, I'M GOING A LITTLE OLD SCHOOL SCIENCE CLASS, BUT WHAT'S THE CONTROL? CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE -- LIKE FOR EXAMPLE HOT SPOT POLICING, WHAT'S THE CONTROL? WERE YOU COMPARING HOT SPOT POLICING AREA TO ONE WHERE YOU WEREN'T FOCUSING ON HOT DIFFERENCE IN ANALYSES WE DO AT THE YEAR MARK AND WE'LL SHOW YOU AGAIN AT THE TWO-YEAR MARK.
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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO. THEY COMPARE AREAS TREATED BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER TREATMENT. IT'S DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION THAT YOU JUSTASKED. >> HAVRDA: CAN WE SEE A VISUAL ON THAT? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MAP. I KNOW WITH HOT SPOT POLICING YOU CAN'T BE TERRIBLY SPECIFIC, BUT I JUST NEED THAT VISUAL TO UNDERSTAND WITH THE NUMBERS TO BE ABLE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS IMPACTING CERTAIN AREAS.
>> CAN I SPEAK TO THAT QUICKLY. >> HAVRDA: WOULD YOU COME
TO THE MICROPHONE. >> IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE COMPARISON --
>> HAVRDA: CAN YOU GO TO THE MICROPHONE. >> LET'S GO TO THE TREATMENT SLIDE. SO THE LEFT TWO BARS THERE, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT. ON THE LEFT IS THE CITY, THE REDUCTION OF 5%, AND THEN THE SECOND BAR FROM THE LEFT IS 8% REDUCTION IN PLACES THAT WERE TREATED.
THAT'S THE MOST DIRECT COMPARISON OF -- THAT I THINK THAT YOU ARE -- YOUR QUESTION IS GETTING AT WHICH IS WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE PLACES WE WERE TREATING RELATIVE TO THOSE WE WEREN'T TREATING. YOU CAN SEE THE EFFECT IS LARGER IN THE PLACES WHERE THE POLICE PUT RESOURCES INTO EFFECT.
>> HAVRDA: I SEE. OKAY. THANK YOU.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, THEN, CHIEF. AS WE INCREASE OUR POLICE OFFICERS LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR, DO YOU SEE BEING ABLE TO STRETCH -- WHAT'S THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD? ARE WE GOING TO STRETCH OUT WHERE WE'RE DOING THIS PROGRAM, WHERE WE'RE APPLYING IT, OR MAKE IT MORE INTENSE IN CERTAIN AREAS?
>> CHIEF MCMANUS: I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL STRETCH OUT. THE NUMBER OF GRIDS WILL REMAIN THE SAME, 135,000-PLUS. EXCUSE ME.
FROM THOSE 135-PLUS THOUSAND GRIDS, WE FOCUSED ON 28. THE -- INCREASING THE STAFFING, AS YOU KNOW, THOSE OFFICERS WILL GO DIRECTLY TO PATROL, ON CALL VERSUS ON CALL TIME. THAT REALLY DOESN'T VIEW MUCH TO DO WITH THE VIOLENT CRIME PLAN. YOU KNOW, THE HOT SPOTS WILL BE IDENTIFIED, WE'LL COVER THEM WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL
OFFICERS GO, IN A WILL NOT AFFECT THIS CRIME PLAN. >> HAVRDA: OKAY.
AND I GUESS THAT MAYBE IS A QUESTION FOR THIS BODY TOO OF WHERE WE WANT THE LONG-TERM DIRECTION TO GO. THANKS, CHIEF. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. >> WHYTE: YEAH, CHIEF, A COUPLE THINGS.
CRIME DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD EXCEPT IN THE AREAS OF VANDALISM, STOLEN PROPERTY, PORNOGRAPHY AND PROSTITUTION IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME. ANY REASONS WHY WE THINK
THOSE ARE UP? >> CHIEF MCMANUS: I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY THEY ARE UP OTHER THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING AT PORN. A LOT OF PROPERTY CONSTRUCTION. VANDALISM IS CRIMINAL MISS CHIEF.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY THE OTHER ONES ARE UP, TO BE QUITE FRANK.
>> WHYTE: OKAY. BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU THE ONCE WE CERTAINLY HEAR ABOUT THE MOST, ESPECIALLY FROM OUR BUSINESSES AND FOLKS DOWNTOWN, ARE THE -- WHAT YOU HAVE HERE AS DESTRUCTION DAMAGE VANDALISM, AND IT'S UP 35%.
STOLEN PROPERTY IT LOOKS LIKE 30%. WHAT SORT OF THINGS CAN WE
DO TO GET A HANDLE ON THOSE? >> CHIEF MCMANUS: WELL, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE SO-CALLED VANDALISM COMPLAINTS, AGAIN, IT'S CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.
WE DON'T HAVE A VANDALISM STATUTE. A LOT OF THAT FROM WHAT I GATHER FROM MEETING WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY DOWNTOWN IS COMING FROM THE HOMELESS POPULATION WHO ARE BREAKING WINDOWS AND DESTROYING PROPERTY DOWN THERE.
THE THEFT, I MEAN THAT COULD BE SHOPLIFTING, THAT COULD BE SOMEBODY STEALING SOMETHING OUT OF YOUR BACKYARD. I MEAN THOSE ARE CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY AND AS LONG AS THERE'S PROPERTY AROUND TO BE STOLEN, THERE'S SOMEBODY
PROBABLY GOING TO STEAL IT. >> WHYTE: YEAH, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE SORT OF THE MOST COMMON TYPES OF CRIME THAT I THINK OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES DEAL WITH AND THAT'S WHY I ASK IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET A HANDLE ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
ALONG THE SAME LINES, IN THE CRIME PLAN IT LOOKED LIKE ROBBERY OF BUSINESSES IS THE
OTHER AREA THAT'S STILL UP. >> CHIEF MCMANUS: UH-HUH. >> WHYTE: ANY SPOTS WHY
THAT IS? -- THOUGHTS WHY THAT IS? >> UNLESS WE HAVE INFORMATION BEFOREHAND, THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO TO PREVENT SOMEONE FROM GOING INTO A STORE AND ROBBING IT. IF WE HAVE INTELLIGENCE
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BEFOREHAND, WE CAN SET UP AND POSSIBLY PREVENT THAT. TYPICALLY WHEN THERE'S SERIAL ROBBERIES GOING ON, WE TYPICALLY WILL MAKE AN ARREST IN THOSE SERIAL ROBBERY CASES. JUST A MATTER OF HOW LONG IT TAKES US TO DO THAT.BUT TYPICALLY WHEN THERE ARE SERIAL ROBBERS OUT THERE, WE'RE GOING TO ARREST THEM AND WE'VE SEEN THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. BUT AS FAR AS STOPPING ROBBERIES, I THINK IT'S UP TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO HARDEN THEIR BUSINESSES WITH CAMERAS AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THEIR CASH REGISTERS ARE NOT HIDDEN BEHIND SHELVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO DO THAT AND
NOT GET CAUGHT. >> WHYTE: LET ME MAYBE ASK THE REVERSE QUESTION.
CRIME DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD. DO WE HAVE A REASON FOR THAT?
IN YOUR OPINION? >> CHIEF MCMANUS: WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK -- IF I HAD TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER TO THAT, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT THINGS. NUMBER ONE IS, YOU KNOW, OUR ARRESTS, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE ARREST, DEPENDS HOW LONG THEY ARE HELD IN JAIL PRETRIAL, HOW LONG THEY ARE SENTENCED IF THEY ARE SENTENCED AT ALL.
AGAIN, THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, I THINK, IS THE BIGGER DETERMINANT OF WHETHER CRIME IS DOWN OR WHETHER CRIME IS UP. IT'S THE SYSTEM WORKING TOGETHER THAT HELPS KEEP CRIME DOWN. IN MY OPINION.
>> VILLAGÓMEZ: I WOULD ADD, THE FACT WE ARE BEING PROACTIVE WITH THIS CRIME REDUCTION PLAN ON THE VIOLENT CRIME HAS SHOWN THE RESULTS OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING. THE STRATEGIES THE CHIEF HAS IMPLEMENTED, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE PROPERTY CRIME CENTRALIZATION AND CHANGES THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE, YOU MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, STRATEGIES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON, CHIEF, TO HELP DETER AND REDUCE CRIME.
>> CHIEF MCMANUS: SO IN THAT LIGHT, WE ARE MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE AND PROACTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO INVESTIGATING PROPERTY CRIMES.
USED TO BE BEFORE THE PROPERTY CRIMES TASK FORCE WAS FUNCTIONAL, WE WOULD PRETTY MUCH INVESTIGATE THOSE CRIMES FROM BEHIND A DESK.
WE WEREN'T ACTIVE ON THE STREET TRYING TO STOP PROPERTY CRIMES AND NOW IT'S THE IMPACT OPPOSITE. WE ARE VERY, VERY PROACTIVE, VERY -- VERY AGGRESSIVE IN DEALING WITH PROPERTY CRIMES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE DOING SERIAL-TYPE THEFT
OPERATIONS. >> WHYTE: YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, MY TAKE-AWAY FROM ALL OF THIS IS THAT THE HOT SPOT POLICING WE ARE ELIMINATING SLOWLY THESE VIOLENT CRIMES WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WHERE WE HAVEN'T MADE A DENT IS, AGAIN, WHAT IS LISTED AS DESTRUCTION, DAMAGE AND VANDALISM AND THEN STOLEN PROPERTY. SO I WONDER WHAT IT IS THAT WE CAN DO TO START TO BRING THOSE NUMBERS DOWN. AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR ALL OF US TO CONSIDER ON THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL AS FOLKS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE PEOPLE AT UTSA MAYBE THAT ARE DOING SOME OF THESE STUDIES ON WHAT IT IS WE CAN DO TO BRING THESE ISSUES DOWN. BECAUSE, AGAIN, SO MANY DESTRUCTION, DAMAGE, VANDALISM, THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR ABOUT FROM OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR BUSINESS OWNERS. AND SO IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING THERE. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU ALL.
>> HAVRDA: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE
GAVITO. >> GAVITO: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE.
DOES STOLEN PROPERTY ENCOMPASS MAIL AND PACKAGE THEFT?
>> CHIEF MCMANUS: YES, IF IT'S REPORTED. >> GAVITO: BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT IS THAT NEIGHBORS ARE SEEING, YOU KNOW, IT ON THEIR RING CAMERA, PACKAGES ARE GETTING STOLEN LEFT AND RIGHT.
AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, COMPANIES MAKE IT RIGHT BY SENDING A REPLACEMENT, BUT THEN PEOPLE ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S JUST EASY TO DO AND GET AWAY WITH.
AND THERE'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION THERE, I'M JUST CURIOUS -- I JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THAT THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND ON HOW TO DETER PEOPLE JUST TAKING PACKAGES OFF PEOPLE'S DOORS.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WAS LOOKING AT, I WAS AT -- RECENTLY AT THE SABOR, TALK,
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SAN ANTONIO BOARD OF REALTORS, AND A COUPLE OF THEM HAD FEEDBACK WHERE THEY ARE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEIR BUSINESSES WERE BROKEN INTO.AND THEY WERE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, THEY ARE LIKE WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ASKED THE POLICE OFFICER WHAT HE CAN DO, HE'S JUST LIKE THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO. ONE OF THEM TOOK IT UPON HERSELF TO TEXT ALL OF HER OTHER SMALL BUSINESS FRIENDS TO SAY, HEY, FYI, KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THIS, THIS IS WHATEVER THEY SAW OR WHATEVER. I WAS WONDERING IF THERE IS SOMEBODY ON THE POLICE FORCE, YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVE KIND OF A SERIAL ROBBER WHO IS GOING AFTER THESE BUSINESSES AND ALERTING OTHER BUSINESSES.
WE DON'T DO ANYTHING PROACTIVE TO ALERT BUSINESSES, DO WE?
>> CHIEF MCMANUS: SAFFE OFFICERS WORK WITH BUSINESSES.
>> GAVITO: I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS IN YOUR PURVIEW. I'M ASSUMING THE ACS, THE ACS INCREASE CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO INCREASE IN FUNDING.
ON SLIDE 8? >> CHIEF MCMANUS: YES, MA'AM.
>> GAVITO: LET'S SEE. AND THEN ALSO TOO REALLY QUICK ON SLIDE NUMBER 5, RESPONSE TIMES, DO WE HAVE GOALS SET FOR OURSELVES FOR THE POLICE FORCE?
>> CHIEF MCMANUS: YES, MA'AM, WE HAVE METRICS FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
>> GAVITO: AND WHAT IS THAT? >> CHIEF MCMANUS: IT'S --
I THINK IT'S AT 620 I THINK IT IS. >> VILLAGÓMEZ: COUNCILWOMAN, OUR TARGET IS SIX MINUTES. AS YOU SEE OUR PERFORMANCE OVER THE YEARS IS -- HOVERS AROUND -- OVER SIX MINUTES WHERE IT'S 6:20 AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TARGETING FOR NEXT YEAR. AS WE ADD MORE POSITIONS AND THOSE POSITIONS GRADUATE FROM THE ACADEMY, WE'LL BE REVISITING THAT AND OTHER FACTORS THAT PLAY INTO RESPONSE TIME WITH THE GOAL OF REDUCING THE RESPONSE
TIME. >> GAVITO: SO SIX MINUTES FOR EMERGENCY CALLS AND THEN
FOR NON-EMERGENCY WHAT WAS -- >> VILLAGÓMEZ: LOOKING
AT -- TO SEE IF WE HAVE THE NUMBERS. >>
>> GAVITO: 18:30? AWESOME. >> CHIEF MCMANUS: AS WE PUT MORE OFFICERS ON THE STREET, WE HOPEFULLY WILL SEE THOSE NUMBERS DROP SOME.
>> GAVITO: OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE
QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANKS. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU,
COUNCILWOMAN DR. KAUR. >> KAUR: THANK YOU, CHAIR. EVERY TIME WE RECEIVE THIS PRESENTATION, I ASKED FOR THIS LAST TIME, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE NUMBERS AND WE DON'T HAVE STRONG ANSWERS. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO MORE RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS AND FIGURE OUT -- I KNOW WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY THAT DOES THIS.
WHEN WE'RE PRESENTING DATA, DATA IS JUST NUMBERS UNLESS THERE IS CONTEXT AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THINGS AROUND IT. DO WE DO AN ANALYSIS OF
VIOLENT CRIME BY AREA? >> CHIEF MCMANUS: THE NUMBERS YOU ARE SEEING ARE THE CITYWIDE NUMBERS. YES, WE'LL LOOK IN AREAS -- ESPECIALLY IF WE SEE A
SPIKE, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT, YES. >> KAUR: COULD WE IN THE FUTURE DO RESEARCH ON IT? BY AREA AROUND TOWN TO SEE IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
WE'RE SEEING OVERALL CITYWIDE IS DECREASING, BUT SPECIFICALLY IN SPOTS OF DOWNTOWN OR OTHERS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
>> CHIEF MCMANUS: WE CAN PROVIDE A HEAT MAP FOR THAT. >> KAUR: IF OUR OFFICE ASKS FOR CALLS TO SAY LIKE WE WANT TO SEE A REPORT ON ALL OF THE CALLS THAT WERE IN -- COMING FROM A SPECIFIC AREA, HOW LONG DOES THAT DATA TO PULL USUALLY?
>> CHIEF MCMANUS: I'M SORRY, HOW LONG -- >> KAUR: OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WITH HE WANT TO SEE WHAT RESPONSE TIME HAS BEEN FOR CALLS IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA. HOW LONG SHOULD A REPORT LIKE THAT YOU RECALLLY TAKE
TO PULL? >> CHIEF MCMANUS: RICK? PROBABLY WHAT?
>> DEPENDS HOW MUCH DATA. >> KAUR: SAY FOR OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS IF WE WERE
ASKING FOR RESPONSE FOR CALL TIMES. >> VILLAGÓMEZ: I WOULD SAY
A WEEK, COUNCILWOMAN. >> WHAT WAS THE QUESTION AGAIN?
>> VILLAGÓMEZ: IS THERE INFORMATION ON RESPONSE TIMES FOR A SPECIFIC AREA ON SPECIFIC I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE IT TO PRODUCE. I'M SAYING NO MORE THAN A WEEK.
>> LET ME ADD SOME CAVEATS. FOR A SPECIFIC AREA, THAT'S GOING TO BE VARIED BASED ON
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THE TYPE AND NATURE OF THE CALL. KIND OF AGGREGATING THAT DATA, IF IT'S NON-EMERGENCY VERSUS EMERGENCY, THAT'S NOT A REAL ACCURATE WAY, BUT WECAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT. >> KAUR: I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S NOT AN
ACCURATE WAY TO DO IT. >> YOU'VE GOT EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES AND NON-EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES. IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT CALLS TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS, TRYING TO GET AN AVERAGE OF TIMES UNLESS WE SEPARATE IT OUT BY EMERGENCY AND NON-PROJECT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST
WAY. >> KAUR: THAT'S PERFECT. THAT IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS LIKE EMERGENCY AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIME TO TRACK TO SEE BECAUSE IF THESE ARE THE AVERAGE, I WANTED TO COMPARE SO SEE WHY.
DO YOU DO THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS WHERE YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THE AVERAGE IS AND -- IN SITUATIONS WE SAY WE PULL A REPORT AND NOTICE IT'S HIGHER THAN THE
AVERAGE, WHY DID THAT OCCUR. >> WE'LL LOOK INTO THOSE SITUATIONS IF WE ARE GETTING SOME COMPLAINTS OR FIGURE OUT WHY THE OFFICERS TOOK THERE LONGER TO GET TO A
PARTICULAR CALL IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. >> KAUR: GREAT.
THANK YOU. >> VILLAGÓMEZ: JUST TO ADD TO THINGS.
ONE, WE HAVE COMPLETED DEVELOPING A DASHBOARD THAT WILL PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO THE USER TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE TYPE OF OFFENSE AND WHERE, YOU KNOW, A MAP AS WELL. SO WE COMPLETED THAT PROCESS.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN BRING TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE NEXT MONTH IF THE COMMITTEE DESIRES TO DO THAT. ADDITIONALLY, UTSA ACTUALLY DID A STUDY FOR US A COUPLE YEARS AGO, MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO WHERE THEY EVALUATED ALL OF OUR CALLS. AND WE DO A SIMILAR PROCESS. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE 245 WITH THE COMMITTEE. I THINK IT MAY ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO REVAMP THESE PRESENTATIONS PERHAPS ADDING THAT
ADDITIONAL CONTEXT. >> KAUR: THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
JUST THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE ROBBERY INCREASE FOR BUSINESSES.
DO WE KNOW WHY OR WHAT TYPE OF ROBBERIES THOSE ARE? IS IT LIKE CASH OR PRODUCT? IT WAS ON THE UTSA PRESENTATION. I CAN TELL YOU THE SLIDE NUMBER. I THINK IT WAS SLIDE 6, WHICH IS SLIDE 16.
THERE'S A 17% INCREASE. >> CHIEF MCMANUS: WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE IT COULD BE EITHER/OR. IF SOMEONE IS STEALING GOODS AND THERE WAS A VIOLENT ACT THAT HE COMMITS OR SHE COMMITS TRYING TO GET OUT THE DOOR, THEN IT'S A ROBBERY. IF SOMEBODY STEALS CASH,
IT'S A ROBBERY. >> KAUR: COULD I GET A BREAKDOWN AND WHERE THAT'S OCCURRING. WE HEAR A LOT OF THINGS FROM BUSINESS OWNERS.
THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER KAUR. COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ.
>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE BOTH OF THE PRESENTATIONS. I DO WANT TO REGARDING PRESENTATION OF INFORMATION WITHOUT CONTEXT. SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HEARD PRETTY CONSISTENTLY THE NATIONWIDE WE'RE SEEING SIMILAR DECREASES IN CRIME. I WAS LOOKING AT THE LAST QUARTERLY, MURDER, RAPE, ROBBERY, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT AND REPORTED PROPERTY CRIME, ALL OF THOSE WERE DECREASING AT RATES GREATER THAN OURS ARE DECREASING.
THAT I THINK BRINGS ME TO THE POINT THAT COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE MADE WHICH IS HOW DO YOU ATTRIBUTE -- I FIND IT CHALLENGING TO ATTRIBUTE DECREASES IN CRIME TO EFFORTS OF THE DEPARTMENT OR EFFORTS OF THE STUDY. IT'S HARD TO MAKE THAT COMPARISON AND THAT CLAIM WITHOUT, I DON'T KNOW, GREATER CONTEXT.
SO MAYBE WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN -- WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IS IF WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE THE SAME DATA BUT FOR THE CITIES THAT WE COMPARE OURSELVES TO, THE MAJOR CITIES IN TEXAS, CITIES OF COMPARABLE SIZE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
WHAT I DO FIND GOOD, WHAT I THINK IS IS POSITIVE IS THAT WE ARE GROWING AS A CITY AT A GREATER RATE THAN OTHER MAJOR CITIES BUT CRIME IS STILL DECREASING.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE DATA BY, LIKE, PER CAPITA FOR MAYBE SAN ANTONIO VERSUS THESE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO US. I'D BE INTERESTED, AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE EFFORT, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO SEE -- AND THIS MAY BE A UTSA ASK, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET A MAP OF SAN ANTONIO WITH THE ZIP CODE, THE BOUNDARIES AND
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MAYBE BY ZIP CODE A MEET MAP OF SORTS THAT SHOWS WHAT -- WHICH ZIP CODES ARE UP AND CERTAIN TYPES OF CRIME WHICH ARE DOWN? I THINK MOSTLY VIOLENT CRIMEWOULD BE OF INTEREST. >> VILLAGÓMEZ: WE HAVE THAT IN THE DASHBOARD SO WHEN WE BRING TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE NEXT MONTH, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
PROPERTY CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY AS WELL. THREE CATEGORIES ON THE
NIBRS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: IS IT BY ZIP CODE OR BY -- WHAT IS
IT BY? >> VILLAGÓMEZ: I'M GOING TO ASK MARIA TO COME UP
BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER. >> HELLO, MARIA VARGAS, INTEGRATED COMMUNITY SAFETY.
THE DASHBOARD DISPLAYS DATA BY SERVICE AREA. >> VILLAGÓMEZ: SO THAT IS
SUBSTATIONS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THAT'S NOT PARTICULARLY HELPFUL.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET IT BY ZIP CODE OR SOME OTHER MORE --
>> WE CAN POTENTIALLY DO THAT. ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE TO RECONCILE IS THE LOCATION OF THE OFFENSE VERSUS THE LOCATION OF THE REPORT.
SO YOU WILL SEE THE ZIP CODES WITH HOSPITALS AND THE SUBSTATIONS BE HIGHER WITH DENSITY BECAUSE THE OFFENSE LOCATION WILL BE MAPPED TO THE HOSPITAL OR THE SUBSTATION AT TIMES. SO WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT KIND OF LOCATION ISSUE.
>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: IS THERE A WAY TO -- SO IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT -- I'M LARGELY THINKING ABOUT CRIMES WITH A VICTIM. IS IT POSSIBLE TO ATTRIBUTE
THE CRIME TO A VICTIM'S ZIP CODE? >> AS OPPOSED TO WHERE THE OFFENSE ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE? DOWNTOWN WILL ALSO BE HIGHER AS PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN COME DOWNTOWN FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND ON THE WEEKENDS, BUT CRIME TAKES
PLACE IN DOWNTOWN AT A HIGHER RATE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THAT
WOULD LIKELY TELL US WHO IS TRAVELING. >> VILLAGÓMEZ: COUNCILMAN, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST PERHAPS IF WE ALLOW US TO PRESENT THE DASHBOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING AND GET YOUR REACTION AND FEEDBACK AND WE CAN IMPROVE UPON.
BUT I THINK YOU'LL SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DATA YOU SEE ON THE SLIDES VERSUS AN INTERACTIVE DASHBOARD THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY CAN UTILIZE.
>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I GUESS I JUST WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE THE SAME INFORMATION. WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IS IT'S PRESENTING THE INFORMATION WE JUST GOT FROM THE STUDY, THE BAR GRAPH. THAT JUST ON A MAP INSTEAD IN FOUR OR FIVE, HOWEVER MANY SUBSTATION BOUNDARIES. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NEW
INFORMATION OR -- >> ONE THING I WILL HIGHLIGHT IS THE NEXUS DASHBOARD THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON SAN ANTONIO'S WEBSITE WHERE IT HAS MAPS WITH SPECIFIC LOCATIONS. THE ADDRESS IS JUST PUT ON A BLOCK TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES FOR THEIR PERSONAL RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS, BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT SPECIFIC CRIMES. SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE AGGREGATED VAULT, THERE'S LIKE A DOZEN TYPES OF ASSAULTS, YOU CAN CHECK ALL THOSE ASSAULTS AND IT WILL SHOW YOU EXACT LOCATIONS ON A MAP OF SAN ANTONIO WHERE THEY ARE TAKING PLAYS WITH -- JUST LIKE WITH I SAID WITH A MASK SO IT'S NOT REVEALING PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCES. YOU CAN DO A FULL-YEAR LOOKBACK AND SEE SPECIFIC
TYPES OF CRIME ON THE MAP. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I'M INTERESTED IN THAT.
I WOULD ALSO IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I THINK WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR WAS THE ZIP CODE LITTLE MAP THING. I ACKNOWLEDGE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD BE -- IT WOULD BE -- IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAYBE THEN REMOVE HOSPITALS AND SUBSTATIONS OFF OF THAT
MAP? >> IT WILL DECREASE THE NUMBER OF OFFENSES THAT WE
WOULD DISPLAY THEN. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: UH-HUH.
>> OR WE COULD HAVE A NOTE THAT SAYS PLEASE NOTE THESE AREAS WHERE HOSPITALS AND
SUBSTATIONS ARE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: EITHER ARE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I GUESS MOVING ON TO THE PHASE 2 OF THE UTSA STUDY, I'M INTERESTED IN -- VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION. I'M INTERESTED IN MAYBE AN UPDATE ON ROSEMONT AND THE WORK BEING DONE. I KNOW IT WAS SAID A COUPLE TIMES WORK IS ONGOING. WHAT IS THE COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS BEEN?
>> YES, SO WE DID CONDUCT AN INITIAL RESIDENT SURVEY IN AUGUST AND WE COMPILED THOSE RESULTS INTO A REPORT THAT WE SHARED WITH THE ROSEMONT PROPERTY STAFF, BEE I DON'T KNOW COMMUNITIES, OPPORTUNITY HOME AND THE CITY DEPARTMENTS SO THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS AND CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS HIGHLIGHTED.
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AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE INFORMATION AND MATERIAL ON AREAS THAT RESIDENTS FELT THEY WEREN'T VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE OR IF THEY WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT CERTAIN CITY PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. SO THERE'S A TWO-FOLD STRATEGY THERE TO ENGAGE WITH RESIDENTS TO ADDRESS, LIKE I SAID, PROBLEMS AND CONCERNS, ISSUES LIKE TRASH, ROAMING ANIMALS, CONCERNS WITH CRIME OR SAFETY AND THEN THE OTHER HALF IF WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT S.N.A.P. OR WIC AND THEY WANT PARENTING ADVICE OR COUNSELING, CONNECTING THEM WITH THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS. I'D SAY THERE'S NOT A WEEK THAT GOES BY THAT SOME SAY DEPARTMENT IS NOT THERE AT ROSEMONT ENGAGING WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER OR RESIDENTS. I SEE SAPD GO EVERY MONTH TO GO OVER RESULTS AND ANYTHING NEW WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND THEN WE'RE HAVING DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT ENGAGE RESIDENTS NOT JUST AT ROSEMONT BUT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA SO THERE'S CLINICS, POSITIVE PARENTING CLASSES HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE.THERE'S THE RENTERS ASSISTANCE AND RENTERS RIGHTS COURSES THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING IS BRING. AND THEN OCTOBER 1ST WILL BE SAN ANTONIO NEIGHBORS TOGETHER SO WE'RE GOING TO BRING A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS ON SITE TO ENGAGE WITH RESIDENTS. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
POSITIVE BACK AND FORTH TAKING PLACE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. SO I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS FOR FUTURE PRESENTATIONS WAS THE CRIME REPORT IF WE CAN IMPAIR TO MAJOR CITIES.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN AT THE NEXT ONE? GLAD WE CAN LOOK INTO
THAT, -- >> VILLAGÓMEZ: WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW OTHER CITIES ARE REPORTING BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND BRING WHATEVER INFORMATION WE CAN FIND. I KNOW THE FBI DOES AN AN ANNUAL REPORT AND I THINK THEY PUT IT OUT IN SEPTEMBER OF EVERY YEAR.
WHATEVER INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE WE'LL BRING TO THE COMMITTEE.
>> HAVRDA: ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ON THIS? BRIEFING. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 5 -- 4.
I'M SORRY. YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. PUSH 4 AND 5 TOGETHER FOR -- SO BOTH CCRS CAN BE PRESENTED AND THEN WE'LL DO A ROUND TABLE.
WE'LL START WITH ITEM 4 THOUGH. >>
>> GOOD MORNING COMMITTEE. I'M MIKE SHANNON, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL CARE SERVICES. I'M GOING TO PRESENT A BIRD SANG AWARE DESIGNATION, CCR, SO WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO IT. SO THIS WAS A CCR THAT WE RECEIVED BACK IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR FROM COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE GAVITO. AND REALLY IT ASKED FOR TWO THINGS, TO FORMALIZE SAN ANTONIO AS A BIRD SANCTUARY CITY, AND THAT WOULD BAR THE CAPTURE, SHOOTING, KILLING OF BIRDS BY UNTRAINED OR UNLICENSED INDIVIDUALS. THAT'S PART ONE. PART TWO COULD WE ESTABLISH THE CITY POLICY SPECIFIC TO PEA FOUL AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, POSSIBLY ALLOWING ACS TO HUMANELY CAPTURE THEM, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS ONLY LICENSED OR PERMITTED HANDLERS TO REMOVE OR RELOCATE PEA FOWL, MAYBE NOT ALLOW ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND REMOVE LANGUAGE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WE HAD ON THERE INDICATING WHAT IS LAWFUL, BUT NOT ENCOURAGED.
NOW, THAT LAST ONE WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE SO THAT ONE WE CAN PUT A CHECK MARK THERE. WE'VE ALREADY UPDATED THAT.
SO JUST A LITTLE HISTORY, BACK IN 2021, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE ACHIEVED A DESIGNATION OF BIRD CITY TEXAS. SO THAT'S THROUGH THE TEXAS PRO-LIFE AUDUBON SATELLITE. IT PROTECTS NATIVE BIRDS AND THEIR HABITATS.
THERE ARE A FEW THINGS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, HABITAT ENHANCEMENT, CREATING SAFE SPACES FOR BIRDS. SO THAT WAS A PROGRAM THAT WE RECEIVED THAT CERTIFICATION. AND THEN TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PEA FOWL, SO THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, PEA COCKS OR PE HENS. IT IS NON-NATIVE TO TEXAS, OF COURSE, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF THEM AND THEY ARE CONSIDERED WILDLIFE.
WE DON'T RECEIVE TOO MANY CALLS. REMEMBER, WE RECEIVE ABOUT 90,000 CALLS A YEAR ATTACKS. IN THE PAST THREE YEARS WE'VE RECEIVED 50 PEA FOWL RELATED CALLS. REALLY IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE LOCATED IN JUST A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN TOWN. IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN AROUND
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THE 410 BABCOCK AREA THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS WHERE THEY ROAM FREE AND HAVE FOR SOME TIME. AS I MENTIONED RIGHT NOW, THE PEA FOWL PROTECTIONS THERE'S MINIMAL IF ANY. IT'S A NON-NATIVE SPECIES, THEY'RE NOT PROTECTED BY STRAWS REGULATING ANYTHING INDIGENOUS BIRDS. THEY'RE NOT PROTECTED BY THE FEDERAL MIGRATORY BIRD TREATY ACT. IF WE GET A CALL, UNLESS IT'S A CRUELTY MATTER, AN INJURED ONE, WE'LL GO OUT. IF WE GET A CALL WITH A COMPLAINT THERE'S ONE THERE, IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE DO BECAUSE NO LAW, EXCEPT FOR THE CRUELTY ONES. IN CITY CODE IT IS UNAWFUL TO MAINTAIN PEAFOWL, CHAR, TRACK, TAKE THEM WITHOUT THE PRONE HE'S PERMISSION. THAT'S ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW, BUT VERY MINIMAL IN TERMS OF GENERAL CONSENSUS OF WHAT TO DO WITH THEM.SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE -- OUR PROPOSAL IS THAT WE AS STAFF AT ACS, WE HOST SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE AREAS, THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY HAVE PEAFOWL, MAYBE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS GET SOME INPUT BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE CALL US AND SAY THESE ARE A NUISANCE, I WANT THEM OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'VE HAD OTHERS SAY THEY'RE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE JUST WANT THEM TO BE TREATED RIGHT.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE DEBATE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO BRING BACK TO YOU TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CODE CHANGES THAT WE SHOULD MAKE.
WE PROBABLY SHOULD PRESENT THAT TO OUR ANIMAL CARE ADVISORY BOARD, WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH IN THOSE MEETINGS, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY PROVIDE A POLICY RECOMMENDATION TO THIS COMMITTEE BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR WITH ANY POTENTIAL CODE CHANGES RELATED TO EITHER PEAFOWL AND/OR DESIGNATING OUR CITY AS A BIRD SANCTUARY CITY OVERALL. THAT WOULD BE OUR PROPOSAL AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, UNLESS -- DID YOU WANT THE OTHER PRESENTATION
BY ME AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THEM COMBINED. >> HAVRDA: YES.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, AMIN. >> GOOD MORNING CHAIR, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL, MY NAME IS AMIN TOHMAZ AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT BYOB, BRING YOUR OWN BEER, I KNOW THIS TOPIC EVERYBODY LOVES. SO QUICK BACKGROUND, WE RECEIVED A CCR THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY COUNCILMAN PELÁEZ ON DECEMBER 4TH, 2023, AND THE MAIN OBJECTIVE OF IT IS TO DO RESEARCH AND LOOK INTO BYOB ESTABLISHMENTS AND TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MINIMIZE INCREASED RATE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES LIKE VIOLENT CRIMES, PROPERTY CRIMES, NOISE VIOLATIONS, AND ANY OTHER THREATS TO THE PUBLIC, HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. AGAIN, THE MAIN GOAL IS TO REDUCE CRIME, BUT A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS IS TO LOOK AT HOW CAN WE PROTECT THE RESIDENTS' RIGHT TO HAVE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOUSE OR NEIGHBORHOOD.
POTENTIALLY TO LOOK INTO THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS AND TO SEE IF WE CAN CREATE A PERMIT OR REGISTRATION FOR THEM. ALSO TO ALLOW THOSE OR TO REQUIRE THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS TO LOOK INTO THEIR INTERNAL POLICIES, TO POTENTIALLY ADD VIDEO CAMERAS, TO LOOK INTO INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR SECURITY, LOOK AT PARKING, VEHICLE PARKING AND MAYBE SECURITY THERE AS WELL, LIGHTING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
DEFINITELY ONE OF THE GOALS IN THE CCR IS CREATE A ROUTINE, MAYBE AN ANNUAL INSPECTION BY PD AND CODE ENFORCEMENT TO THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND TO LOOK INTO ANY POSSIBILITY IN REGARDS TO THE ZONING TO EITHER ALLOW OR NOT ALLOW THOSE PROPERTIES CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, SCHOOLS AND ANYTHING WITH WORSHIP. THE LAST THING IS TO TRY TO LINE IT UP WITH TABC LICENSE AND REQUIREMENTS IN REGARDS TO HOURS OF OPERATION. THIS CCR WAS ACTUALLY ASSIGNED TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO GOVERNANCE ON APRIL 10, 2024, AND GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE DID ASSIGN IT TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE NOW. SO I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS TO LOOK AT WHAT DO WE HAVE TODAY? WHAT KIND OF EFFORTS WE HAVE TODAY? SO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO RIGHT NOW HAS CERTAIN RULES THAT WE COMPLY WITH. ONE OF THEM IS THE LEGAL HOURS OF CONSUMPTION.
I DON'T THINK I WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT BASICALLY FROM 7:00 A.M. TO 12:15 CERTAIN DAYS, SOME DAYS LIKE SATURDAY IT GOES UP TO 12:15.
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AND IF THEY DO HAVE A TABC LICENSE THEY'RE ALLOWED -- THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO UP TO 2:15 IN THE MORNING. WE DO HAVE RULES AND POLICIES IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC INTOXICATION AND WE DO HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE CLASS A MISDEMEANOR FOR ANYBODY WHO PROVIDE ALCOHOL TO MINORS AND IMMEDIATELY THEY DO -- THEIR LICENSE IS SUSPENDED FOR 180 DAYS. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW THAT WE UTILIZE. IT'S KIND OF DIVIDE TO INTO DIFFERENT TEAMS. POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY DO ROUTINE INVESTIGATIONS WHEN WE GET ANY CALLS ABOUT A LOCATION, THEY START THEIR INVESTIGATION, THEY LOOK INTO THAT SPECIFICALLY IF THERE IS CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES OR NOISE DISTURBANCE.WE DO HAVE THE DART, THE DANGEROUS ASSESSMENT RESPONSE TEAM, THAT IS LED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND THIS ONE LOOKS AT MAINLY WHAT YOU CALL THE WORST OF THE WORST SITUATIONS OR CASES. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL WORK WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING PD, CODE ENFORCEMENT, DHS, NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES, IF NEEDED FOR THOSE CASES. CODE ENFORCEMENT INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES INSPECTIONS, WE DO LOOK AT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES AND IF THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THAT WE DO SUSPEND IT OR REVOKE IT. WE DO LOOK AT THE BUILDING SAFETY IN REGARDS TO BUILDING, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING ISSUES IF THEY DO HAVE ANY ISSUES THERE WE DO ADDRESS THAT.
WE DO LOOK AT THE ZONING AS WELL FOR THOSE PROPERTIES IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE ALCOHOL OR NOT. SO AS I SAID, SO BASICALLY IT'S A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JOE NIÑO, THE CITY ATTORNEY.
HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE LEGAL ASPECTS. >> NO PROBLEM.
JOE NIÑO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. LET ME START OFF BY SAYING THAT WE DID MEET WITH COUNCILMAN PELÁEZ YESTERDAY.
HE UNDERSTANDS THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE DOING TODAY AND THE RECOMMENDATION. BACK IN THE '70S THE STATE OF TEXAS CREATED THE TEXAS ALCOHOL AND BENCH COMMISSION. BACK THEN THEY CREATED A CODE WHICH GIVES ATBC THE EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION OVER POSSESSION OF -- OVER THE POSSESSION, SALE OR CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL. SINCE THAT CODE WAS CREATED THERE'S BEEN TWO SIGNIFICANT CASES THAT HAVE COME OUT BACK IN THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT IN 1993 AND THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION IN 2007.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT 2007 ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION IS IT IS DIRECTLY ON THE POINT TO WHAT THIS CCR IS GOING FOR. IN THAT CASE THE CITY OF CORSICANA WANTED TO CREATE A SPECIAL PERMIT FEE FOR BASICALLY A POOL HALL THAT WAS ACTING AS A BYOB. NOW, THE FINAL DECISION IN THAT CASE IN BOTH THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION FOUND THE CONCLUSIONS BASICALLY SAYING THAT CITIES HAVE NO AUTHORITY FOR THE POSSESSION, SALE OR CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL. OF COURSE, THE FIRST THING WE DO IS CONTACT TABC SO WE CONTACT THEM AND TALK TO THE ATTORNEYS ON THAT SIDE AND OF COURSE THEY REITERATE THAT IT IS CORRECT. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE EXCEPTIONS, WHICH INCLUDE THE CITY MAY REGULATE THE POSSESSION OR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH WE DO ALREADY TODAY. THE CITY MAY REGULATE THE SALE OF ALCOHOL IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SALES OF LIQUOR IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, ALLOWING MORE RESTRICTIVE HOURS ON THE SALE OF BEER, PROHIBITING SALES WITHIN CERTAIN DISTANCES OF SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, CHURCHES, ET CETERA, WHICH WE DO TODAY AT THIS POINT. THEIR ADVICE THEY GAVE US IS SAYING IF YOU WANT TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE THEN USE ANY OTHER CRITERIA OTHER THAN ALCOHOL BECAUSE ANYTHING WITH ALCOHOL IS REGULATED BY THE STATE.
AND I TOLD THEM, WELL, WHAT ABOUT OTHER CITIES? I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE BYOB ORDINANCES, AND OF COURSE IN THEIR OPINION THEY SAID THEY'RE PROBABLY PREEMPTED. SO THE NEXT STEP WE DID WAS GO AHEAD AND CONTACT THOSE CITIES. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CITY OF AUSTIN CREATED A BYOB ORDINANCE IN 2007, THE SAME YEAR THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION.
AS OF TODAY THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT, NO PERMITS OR REGISTRATIONS HAVE BEEN ISSUED. THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND THE CITY OF DALLAS CREATED A BYOB ORDINANCE IN 2023 AND NEITHER ONE OF THEM HAVE ANY ENFORCEMENT AT THIS TIME EITHER. THE CITY OF DALLAS WENT AHEAD AND CREATED AN ALTERNATIVE ORDINANCE THAT APPLIES TO ALL BUSINESSES, BUT AS OF TODAY THEY PRETTY MUCH HAVE ONLY SIX CASES THAT ARE PART OF THAT PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A SHORT PRESENTATION BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THE STATE HAS PREEMPTED WHAT CITIES CAN DO WHEN IT DEALS WITH BYOBS WITH ANYTHING ALCOHOL RELATED. HOWEVER, AS AMIN CURRENTLY STATED W WE DO HAVE A NUMBER
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OF OTHER TOOLS THAT WE UTILIZE TO ADDRESS NUISANCE PROPERTIES FROM POLICE INVESTIGATIONS, NOISE ORDINANCE, DART, ZONING AND PUBLICCABLE BUILDING CODES -- PUBLICCABLE BUILDING CODES. I WAS TALKING TO COUNCILMAN PELÁEZ AND HE HAS TWO HOOKAH BARS IN HIS DISTRICT THAT WERE OPERATING AS BYOBS.AND THE PROBLEMS CAME UP WITH THEY BECAME AFTER HOURS CLUBS OPENING UNTIL 4:00 IN THE MORNING. THEY HAD A NUMBER OF CODE AND CRIMINAL CITATIONS.
DART WENT AHEAD AND INSPECTED THOSE LOCATIONS, TALKED TO THE BUSINESS OWNER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY BASICALLY TOLD THE PROPERTY OWNER UNLESS YOU EVICT THAT BUSINESS OWNER THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER YOU, PROPERTY OWNER.
THE BUSINESS OWNER'S WERE EVICTED AND THOSE HOOKAH BARS HAVE NOW BEEN CLOSED.
SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF AVENUES WE CAN USE WHEN WE HAVE NUISANCE PROPERTIES.
THE RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT IS TO PUT FORTH TO PROBABLY THE IGR COMMITTEE TO PUT ON THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. THERE'S NO QUESTION BEING ABLE TO REGULATE BYOBS WOULD BE A PLUS IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT SO THAT'S THE REASON WE MOVE FOR THAT RECOMMENDS. THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. IF THERE'S ANY PRESENTATIONS, PLEASE LET ME
KNOW. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE PRESENTATIONS. I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE
GAVITO. >> GAVITO: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT OUR BIRD CCR. THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REALLY COOL NEIGHBORHOODS IN DISTRICT 7 WHERE THERE ARE A TON OF PEACOCKS. AND THEY'RE ALL KIND OF LIKE NEAR BABCOCK AND 410.
YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT IT BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT BY THE MEDICAL CENTER, BUT WE HAD AN INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED IN THE GLENN OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE AN UNLICENSED PERSON HAD A TRAILER AND WAS JUST GETTING THESE PEACOCKS AND THROWING THEM IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND THESE PEACOCKS ARE ALL SCREAMING AND IT WAS A MESS.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE LENDER THAT THESE BIRDS ARE NOT PROTECTED AT THE LOCAL AND STATE LEVEL SINCE THEY'RE EXOTIC. RESIDENTS FELT FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET LIKE PROPER HELP FROM ACS. AND THESE BIRDS ARE DEFINITELY LIKE MICHAEL SHANNON SAID, PEOPLE MOVE INTO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS KNOWING THAT THESE PEACOCKS ARE THERE. THEY'RE ON THEIR ROOFS, THEY'RE IN THEIR PLANTS, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL TOO.
AND SO WE CREATED THIS CCR TO HAVE SAN ANTONIO AS A SAFE ZONE FOR MIGRATORY BIRDS AND A PLAN FOR EXOTIC BIRDS LIKE PEACOCKS THAT WE ENJOY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
RIGHT NOW ANYBODY CAN, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, HUMANELY CAPTURE OR RELOCATE OR REMOVE THESE PEACOCKS WITHOUT HAVING A LICENSE. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE CCR IS TO CHANGE THAT BY ALLOWING ONLY ACS OR APPROPRIATELY LICENSED PERSON TO CAPTURE THESE PEACOCKS SO THAT WAY NO ONE CAN COME IN WITH A BIG DRUG AND THROW THE PEA COCKS BACK THERE. OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW I'M A BIRD NERD AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO INVEST IN OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND PROTECT WILDLIFE WHEN WE CAN. SINCE FILING THE CCR WE HAVE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL REQUESTS LIKE WE'RE GETTING REQUESTS FROM A RESEARCHER WHO WANTS TO CAPTURE AND TAG THESE BIRDS FOR RESEARCH ON PEAFOWL AND SO PROVIDING HER DIRECTION WITH THAT IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT BROUGHT UP ORDINANCES CURRENTLY IN PLACE. THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE LONG EMBRACED THESE PEAFOWL IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WANT TO EMBRACE THEM AND PROTECT THEM TOO, THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO. MY ONLY REQUEST IS THAT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT IS ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THAT THEY BE FOCUSED ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS, LIKE DREAM HILL ESTATES AND GLEN OAKS, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF A CITYWIDE CONVERSATION IS VALUABLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO PEACOCKS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR WOODLAWN. IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOU SEE THESE PEACOCKS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION. AND THANK YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS. THANKS.
>> HAVRDA: DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? >> GAVITO: I MOTION TO
MOVE THE CCR FORWARD. >> HAVRDA: OKAY. TO FOLLOW THE STAFF
RECOMMENDATION? >> GAVITO: TO FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN
DECEMBER. >> SECOND. >> HAVRDA: OKAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THE
NEXT ITEM TOO? >> GAVITO: I THINK JOE NIÑO ANSWERED MOST OF MY
QUESTIONS. I'M ACTUALLY GOOD THERE. >> HAVRDA: ANY OTHER
COMMENTS ON ITEM 5? >> I GUESS SOMETHING I'M INTERESTED IN IS THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO -- NO NEW ZONING DESIGNATION WE COULD MAYBE CREATE FOR THESE
SPECIFIC TYPES OF ESTABLISHMENTS. >> NO, SIR.
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IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE WHEN YOU DEAL WITH ALCOHOL AND THE TABC HAS EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION SO WE LOOK AT OTHER CRITERIA. YOU CAN LOOK AT OTHER CRITERIA, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT IS IT'S GOING TO APPLY TO ALL BUSINESSES. IF YOU TRY TO LIMIT HOURS TO A BUSINESS BETWEEN 2:00 AND 4:00 A.M. FOR EXAMPLE, IT WILL HIT THOSE RESTAURANTS, HIT THOSE GAS STATIONS.SO IT WILL BE OPEN TO ALL BUSINESSES AS THE ONLY WAY TO KIND OF ENCOMPASS BYOB
LOCATIONS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: OKAY. I GUESS I JUST DON'T KNOW IF
IT -- >> CAN I ADD SOMETHING? WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR ZONING IN THE UTC FOR ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMMERCIAL WE DO HAVE THE NA THAT MEAN YOU CANNOT SELL ANY ALCOHOL. SO THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN OUR
CODE TODAY. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: YEAH. I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY SURE -- IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THE ISSUE WAS THE TWO HOOKAH BARS THAT WERE SERVING AS AFTER HOURS CLUBS OR AFTER HOUR BAR TYPE ESTABLI ESTABLISHMENTS, IS THERE ANY WAY TO ENSURE THAT A BUSINESS DOESN'T BECOME THAT? IF IT'S A HOOKAH BAR IS ONE THING, BUT AFTER HOURS IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE THING.
IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY TO REGULATE? >> AGAIN AS WE TALKED ABOUT THERE'S DIFFERENT METHODS. OBVIOUSLY ZONING IS ONE OF THEM.
IF THOSE PROPERTIES WERE IN C2 OR C3 AND THEY HAVE NA THEN THEY CANNOT HAVE ANY ALCOHOL AT ALL. SO THAT ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES.
BUT WE DO A LOT OF INVESTIGATIONS FOR THOSE. JUST ONE QUICK THING AS WELL. WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH TO FIND OUT HOW MANY BUSINESSES HAVE BYOB P I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE FOUND, BUT WE D DID SOUTHEASTERN IN OUR SYSTEMS UNDER CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND WE FOUND EIGHT, BUT THEN WE SEARCHED ON GOOGLE TO SEE ANYONE WHO ALLOWS YOU TO BRING ALCOHOL AND WE FOUND A TOTAL OF 39 PROPERTIES CITYWIDE.
THERE WAS ONLY 12 OF THEM THAT ARE HOOKAH PLACES, 20 RESTAURANTS.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT THEY HAVE THAT, THAT WE FOUND, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE THE TOOLS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW BETWEEN POLICE, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND CODE THAT WE CAN GO AFTER THEM IF THEY VIOLENT ANY OF THE RULES.
>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR SURE. I GUESS I WONDER THEN OF THOSE -- SO IF THE GOAL OF THE CCR IS TO ADDRESS THE BYOB ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE BECOME NUISANCES FOR NEIGHBORHOODS, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GO ABOUT THAT AND THAT IF WE WERE TO INTRODUCE NEW POLICY OR TO ADVOCATE FOR LEGISLATION IT WOULD IMPACT MORE THAN JUST THE TWO THAT WE USE AS AN EXAMPLE.
WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL INFORMATION TO KNOW WOULD BE IF THOSE 39 THAT YOU FOUND THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND WHATNOT -- AND MAYBE IF YOU CAN TRY TO DO IT FOR ANY MORE, ARE ANY OF THESE -- IS THERE A TREND OF THEM BEING SPOTS WHERE VIOLENT CRIME IS TAKING PLACE, WHERE A LOT OF CALLS FOR NOISE OR OTHER NUISANCES OR DISTURBANCES ARE TAKING PLACE? CAN WE FIND OUT ABOUT THESE 39?
>> SURE, WE CAN PARTNER WITH PD AND WE CAN KIND OF MONITOR BETWEEN CODE AND PD WE CAN MONITOR THOSE LOCATIONS TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY TREND OR IF THERE IS ANY SPECIFIC CRIME IN THOSE LOCATIONS. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: IS THAT SOMETHING THAT -- >> HAVRD HALF.
>> I'M SORRY, ARE YOU ASKING FOR US TO COME BACK WITH DATA OR IF THERE ARE ANY
ISSUES WITH THOSE 39. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I'M WONDERING IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES IGR.
I'D LEAN TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY. COUNCIL MEMBER MAN PELÁEZ IS CHAIR OF IGR SO I'M SURE HE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT AS WELL.
TO ME IT DOESN'T MATTER. I WOULD THINK BEFORE WE IMPLEMENT ANY ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS OR BEFORE WE ADD SOMETHING TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA THAT WE HAVE THAT
INFORMATION. SO I'M -- YEAH. >> SO JUST A QUICK COMMENT AS WELL. SO AS I MENTIONED, THOSE LINE LOCATIONS WE JUST FOUND THEM BASICALLY BASED ON OUR RESEARCH. NONE OF THEM WE RECEIVED ANY SPECIFIC CALLS. SO AGAIN, NORMALLY WE DO RESPOND TO ANYTHING WE RECEIVE, AND WE DO OUR INVESTIGATION AT THAT TIME. BUT NONE OF THOSE WE RECEIVED ANY CALLS IN REGARD TO, BUT RAISE MENTIONED, WE CAN BE MORE PROACTIVE AND
LOOK AT THEM MOSTLY. >> GOTCHA. OKAY.
THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY
THOUGHTS. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU COUNCILMAN.
COUNCILWOMAN KAUR. >> KAUR: THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS YOU MENTIONED THERE ARE WAYS FOR YOU TO GO AFTER THESE INSTITUTIONS, LIKE IF THEY'RE SERVING AFTER HOURS OR ACTUALLY VIOLATING CODE. DO WE PROACTIVELY GO AND
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CHECK TO SEE IF PEOPLE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND KIND OF LIKE HOW WE HAVE THE APARTMENT INSPECTION, DO WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR BUSINESSES?>> I MEAN, IN GENERAL WE DON'T GO PROACTIVELY AND CHECK ALL THE BUSINESSES IN TOWN, RIGHT, BUT AS I MENTIONED THE MINUTE WE GET A CALL ABOUT ANY LOCATION, OBVIOUSLY STEP ONE IS TO CHECK ARE THEY THERE APPROPRIATELY BY ZONING, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO BE THERE? DO THEY HAVE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY AND WE GO THROUGH THAT TREND. SO THAT'S OUR TYPICAL PROCESS OF INVESTIGATING ANY
PROBLEMS. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY MOTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. >> DO WE NEED TO DO A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S
RECOMMENDATION? > >> HAVRDA: WE DON'T NEED
TO, BUT YOU CAN. >> I DIDN'T SEE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT -- THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. IT DIDN'T SAY IT WAS NECESSARILY A
RECOMMENDATION. >> WE WROTE IT JUST FOR DISCUSSION.
YOU ARTICULATED AS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COMMITTEE TO MOVE THIS
FORWARD TO IGR. >> OKAY. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
>> HAVRDA: OKAY. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. COUNCILMAN WAS YOUR SUGGESTION TO MOVE IT TO IGR AND THEN -- MAYBE NOT THAT, BUT YOU DID MENTION BRINGING
IT BACK TO PUBLIC SAFETY AT SOME POINT, CORRECT? >> SO WHEN I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GATHER, SUCH AS CRIME AT EACH OF THESE LOCATIONS OR TRENDS IN A CRIME, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMATION I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO COME TO PUBLIC SAFETY OR TO IGR. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE'S NO CRIME HAPPENING OR CALLS OR CONCERNS. SO MY CONCERN WITH WHY I DID NOT MAKE A MOTION WAS BECAUSE THEN WE'RE SEEKING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST. OR THAT ARE THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF AN IT EXISTING OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO HOOKAH BARS. SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE I'M
HAVING. >> SO THE POINT OF MOVING TO IGR WAS TO HAVE IGR CONSIDER
IT -- ADDING IT TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA? >> YES.
>> HAVRDA: OKAY. WHICH MEANS -- WELL, OKAY. >> SO THE IDEA OF GOING TO IGR IS THE COMMITTEE COULD CONSIDER ADDING IT TO THE STATE LEGE PROGRAM SO WE COULD ADVOCATE FOR A CHANGE IN LAW SO CITIES COULD REGULATE BYOB BUSINESSES
MORE DIRECTLY. >> HAVRDA: OKAY. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I BELIEVE THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR B SESSION, RIGHT? IS IT POSSIBLE FOR STAFF TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DUE DILIGENCE RELATED TO THIS AND BRING IT TO THE B SESSION AS PART OF DISCUSSION?
>> YEAH, WE CAN. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I THINK THAT'S A SHORTCUT.
>> WE CAN DO THAT. >> HAVRDA: OKAY. SO ARE YOU PROPOSING MOVING STRAIGHT TO B SESSION AFTER THE WORK? AND NOT IGR?
>> YES. >> HAVRDA: OKAY. SO -- LET'S TAKE A SECOND.
>> SO IF IT GOES TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE, SO IF IT GOES TO IGR OR IF IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY THERE ARE FIVE OF US DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ON THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. WE HAVE THE B SESSION WHERE ALL OF COUNCIL WILL BE DISCUSSING IT. MAYBE THERE'S OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS AND THEY CAN VOICE SUPPORT FOR IT BEFORE WE ADOPT THE LEGISLATIVE
AGENDA. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT. >> OUR DISCUSSION INTERNALLY, COUNCILMAN, WAS TO BRING FORWARD TO THE IGR COMMITTEE SO THEY CAN DISCUSS IT WITH PERHAPS OTHER ISSUES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL COUNCIL. WE CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION DIRECTLY TO IGR OR WE CAN DO A FOLLOW-UP MEMO AND SEND INFORMATION -- BRING THE INFORMATION TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. WELCOME DO IT BOTH WAYS.
OUR THOUGHT WAS BY MOVING IT TO IGR THEN THERE'S A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION IN LIGHT OF OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE MAY BE CONSIDERING AND I JUST WANTED IT IN
ISOLATION. >> I DON'T MEAN TO COMPLICATE THINGS.
NO ALTERATIONS TO THE MOTION, I SUPPOSE. >> BUT IT WILL EVENTUALLY
COME TO A B SESSION? >> YES. >> HAVRDA: OKAY.
SO THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. TO GO TO IGR, CORRECT?
>> YES. >> HAVRDA: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAYY? ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES.
THAT IS OUR AGENDA. THANKS SO MUCH. HAVE A GREAT DAY.
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