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JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, DSD ENGINEER.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.
I'M THE BOARD LIAISON FOR THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODE APPEAL AND ADVISORY BOARD.
THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING OF MAN.
I DID NOT UPDATE THE, THE POWERPOINT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UH, SORRY, THAT IS NOT THE PLUMBING CODE SUBCOMMITTEE.
I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE ACCURATE.
OKAY, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODES SUBCOMMITTEE.
UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY FINISHED UP THE PLUMBING CODE, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK.
SO NOT, DON'T TAKE THAT AS A CHALLENGE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET THROUGH FOUR BOOKS TODAY.
I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY HAVE THE AGENDA SET UP TO DO THAT.
UH, BUT, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING, UH, TO BE LOOKING FORWARD TO, IS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO START CHECKING SOME OF THESE OFF.
SO WE DID FINISH UP THE PLUMBING CODE IN ONE MEETING.
SO BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UM, BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE, UH, INTERPRETERS, I'LL BRING THEM OUT TO MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THOSE ONLINE, OR ARE WATCHING THIS LATER ON, UH, WHAT WE PROVIDE, UH, JUST A REMINDER TO USE YOUR MICROPHONES, UH, FOR, I KNOW IT'S A SMALL GROUP IN HERE, WE'D PROBABLY ALL BE ABLE TO HEAR EACH OTHER TALKING, BUT FOR THOSE ONLINE, FOR THE INTERPRETERS, PLEASE USE THE MICROPHONE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UH, ONE OF THEM IN THIS AREA WILL BE THE HOLD TO TALK.
THE CHAIR MAY NEED TO RELOCATE TO THAT, BUT WE'LL KIND OF SEE HOW THAT GOES HERE IN A SECOND.
BUT, UH, WE'LL DO A QUICK, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE INTERPRETERS.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO, YEAH, WE CAN, DID YOU WANNA HANDLE THAT? YEAH, I THINK CRYSTAL'S PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN SHE GETS TO THE TECHNICAL SIDE.
UM, ALSO IN, IN ADDITION TO THE SPANISH INTERPRETATIONS, UM, IS REQUESTED, WE ALSO ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SL INTERPRETERS.
UH, SO ANYBODY THAT'S WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THESE MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD, IF THEY GIVE US, UH, ENOUGH HEADS UP, UH, WE CAN, UH, COORDINATE THAT AS WELL.
SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, FOR THIS IS TO VOTE TO APPOINT A CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO IF, IF Y'ALL, IF THERE'S ANY NOMINATIONS Y'ALL LIKE TO MAKE.
LET ANSWER ARE WE DO A ROLL MICROPHONE.
ARE WE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL? YEAH, WE DO NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE ANSWER QUESTION, I NOMINATE BRIAN SMITH.
SO REAL QUICK, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE HAVE QUORUM.
SO WE CAN MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.
I BELIEVE, UH, ROBERT HAS NOMINATED MR. BRIAN SMITH AS A CHAIR.
SECOND, SECONDED BY MICHAEL RUST.
UH, BRIAN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AS THE, AS THE CHAIR FOR THE BOARD.
IF Y'ALL WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CO ELECT A CO-CHAIR, JUST INVENT THAT BRIAN ISN'T ABLE TO MAKE ANY OF THE MEETINGS, THEN WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE THAT FORMALITY.
UH, BUT IF NOT, THEN, YOU KNOW, REALLY IT'S JUST A FORMAL PROCESS OF EACH OF THOSE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS TO SAY WHO'S GONNA BE THE INTERIM CHAIR AT THE TIME? ROBERT HANLEY.
I NOMINATE, UM, MIKE, BRIAN SMITH.
SO I HAVE, UH, GET HIM WHEN HIS MOUTH IS FULL.
ALRIGHT, SO, SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, ELECT MICHAEL RUST AS THE CO-CHAIR, UH, SECONDED BY BRIAN SMITH.
UH, RECOMMENDED BY ROBERT HENLEY.
UH, BRIAN, I'LL LET YOU TAKE THE LEAD ON ROLL CALL OR, OR MAKING MO MOTION ON THAT OR TAKING ACTION.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR RUSS, UH, FOR CO-CHAIR.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND ANY NEGATIVE? THE AYES CARRY.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE BRIAN SMITH AS CHAIR, MICHAEL RUSS AS CO-CHAIR.
AND, UH, VOTE TO ADD OR REMOVE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS TO OR FROM THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND I THINK IN ADDITION TO THIS, UH, WHAT GOT BROUGHT UP WAS, UH, ALTERNATING PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE.
SO, MR. ROSS, I KNOW YOU'VE MENTIONED NO, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT AS THIS.
WELL THEN NO ACTION TO TAKE HERE.
I DON'T THINK, UM, THERE'S NO REASON TO ADD OR, OR MODIFY.
WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY FURTHER APPLICANTS.
WE HAVE, UH, THREE APPLICANTS ON THIS SUBCOMMITTEE, SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO THERE, UNLESS THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT ANY FURTHER.
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ALRIGHT, WELL THEN WE ARE MOVING TO THE TECHNICAL ASPECT OF THIS.THE SUBCOMMITTEE SET UP A DISCUSSION OF THE 2024 NATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND PRO PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS FOUND IN CHAPTER 10, SECTION 10 DASH 30 AMENDMENTS TO THE ADOPTED CHAPTERS AND APP DEPENDENCIES OF THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, UH, TO GO OVER ALL THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF IT.
GOOD MORNING GON GOOD MORNING.
CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER THE PLAN REVIEW DIVISION.
UM, SO WE WILL START, UH, THE IBC TODAY, BUT I ALSO WANNA INTRODUCE JASMINE ROA.
SHE'S A SUPERVISOR IN OUR PLAN REVIEW GROUP.
SHE OVERSEES THE, UH, COMMERCIAL AND ENERGY REVIEWERS, AND WE HAVE ROLAND RESENDEZ, UH, CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR AS WELL.
AS MR. HANLEY, UH, IDENTIFIED THE CHANGES, UM, ARE A LOT DIFFERENT IN THE 2024.
SO INSTEAD OF THE BLACK SOLID LINES IN THE PREVIOUS EDITIONS THAT SHOWED, UM, MODIFICATIONS, UPDATES, NEW INFORMATION, UM, YOU ALSO, IN THE PREVIOUS EDITIONS HAD THAT BLACK ARROW THAT SHOWS ITEMS THAT WERE REMOVED.
UM, NOW IF YOU OPEN THE BOOK, YOU HAVE QR CODES THAT I, THAT YOU CAN SCAN, UM, AND THAT'LL TAKE YOU TO THAT SECTION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE CHANGES BY THAT BLUE TEXT.
SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN, JASMINE'S KIND OF SCROLLING THROUGH AND YOU SEE THAT BLUE TEXT HAS BEEN, UM, HIGHLIGHTED THERE TO SHOW THAT IT WAS A CHANGE.
SO AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF BLUE TEXT, THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S AN ADDITION.
SOME OF IT IS JUST REWRITTEN, REWORDED.
UM, INSTEAD OF A PARAGRAPH FORMAT, IT NOW MIGHT BE IN A LIST FORMAT, SO EVERYTHING WILL BE BLUE.
UH, WE WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND Y'ALL'S TIME LOOKING AT THOSE ITEMS THAT THAT DIDN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA HIGHLIGHT THE ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO IDENTIFY AS A CHANGE.
UM, SOME SIGNIFICANCE, SOME NOT SIGNIFICANT, UH, BUT WE REVIEWED THIS INTERNALLY WITH REVIEWERS AND INSPECTORS, MANAGERS, ENGINEERS, UM, ON OUR STAFF TO IDENTIFY ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD TO YOUR ATTENTION.
SO IN THE SPREADSHEET, WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE.
CAN WE KEEP THIS SO EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF THAT? SO WE CAN, UM, JUST FOR OUR HANDLING CLARIFICATION, ARE WE GONNA VOTE ON THESE INDIVIDUALLY OR TAKE 'EM AS A BODY? THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
BUT TRADITIONALLY WE HAVE WAITED TO THE END TO ADOPT AS DISCUSSED.
AND WE HAVE YOU SEE ON THE SPREADSHEET, A COLUMN FOR THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION APPROVED.
SO THE SPREADSHEET SHOWS A SECTION NUMBER.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TITLE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UH, TYPICALLY ADOPT AS WRITTEN, YOU HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE CHANGE.
UM, SO IF YOU GUYS SUPPORT THE ADOPT AS WRITTEN OR NEW AMENDMENT, THAT RECOMMENDATION, WE'LL IDENTIFY THAT AND YOU GUYS CAN TAKE A VOTE AT THE END IF YOU CHOOSE.
SO LAST YEAR I THINK WORKED OUT WELL WAS THAT WE WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING.
IF WE FIND SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, THE BOARD HAS AN ISSUE WITH, WE'LL HAVE THAT AS PENDING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN REVIEW IT SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO GET THE MASS MAJORITY OF THEM TAKEN CARE OF.
AND IF SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE TABLED TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WE COULD DO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET STARTED? OKAY.
THAT'S AN UPDATE TO SECTION 3 0 4 0.1.
SO CHAPTER THREE IS OUR OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION AND USE.
THERE WAS AN ADDITION FOR THE LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM METAL BATTERY TESTING, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS WAS IDENTIFIED AS A GROUP B OCCUPANCY.
YOU WILL SEE THROUGHOUT THE TEXT, THERE'S A LOT OF ADDITIONS OF THE LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL BATTERY.
UH, SO I'LL JUST CALL IT BATTERIES.
IS THAT OKAY? EVERYBODY AGREES THAT WHEN WE SAY BATTERIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITION OF THE LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES.
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FOR REVIEWERS AND ARCHITECTS TO CLASSIFY THE, THE BUILDING OR THE USE.BRIAN, BEFORE, AND CHRIS, BEFORE I MOVE ON, THERE WAS ONE DEFINITION THAT, UM, SORRY.
FOR THOSE UNFORTUNATELY NOT TO BE LISTED, ARE YOU USING YOUR, OH, YOU ARE.
UM, THERE WAS A DEFINITION THAT, UH, IN BLUE TEXT FOR CARBON MONOXIDE SOURCE AND IT'S IN BLUE.
IS THAT A NEW NEWLY DEFINED TERM? IS THAT A CHANGE DEFINITION? AND ARE WE GONNA SEE AN IMPACT OF THAT DEFINITION BEING ADDED OR CHANGED LATER ON? YES, THAT IS A NEW DEFINITION.
UM, AND THAT WILL BE IDENTIFIED IN CHAPTER NINE.
AND REALLY WE'LL GO OVER THAT MORE IN DEPTH WITH THE FIRE CODE.
NEXT, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS AN ADDITION TO 3 0 6 0.2 FOR GROUP F ONES.
SO THIS IS THE, ALSO THE ADDITION OF ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS AND EQUIPMENT CONTAINING, UH, LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES, LITHIUM ION BATTERIES AND VEHICLES POWERED BY LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES.
SO AGAIN, JUST UM, ADDED USES THAT HELP CLARIFY THE OCCUPANCY GROUP OF A BUILDING OR SPACE.
THIS WAS A CHANGE TO THE TABLE FOR 3 0 7 0.111.
THIS IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE QUANTITY PER CONTROL AREA FOR HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
SO SOME OF THESE ARE OVERLAPPING WITH THE FIRE CODE.
UM, YOU GUYS WILL ALSO BE REVIEWING THE FIRE CODE, SO WE'LL TOUCH ON THEM HERE.
UM, ALL THE, THE SAME INTERNAL FOLKS.
WE SAT DOWN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS WE WENT THROUGH THE CHANGES TO THE IFC.
UH, SO IF YOU GUYS WANNA TABLE THESE, THAT'S FINE.
UM, OR JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JUST PUTTING THESE ON YOUR RADAR FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION IF NEEDED.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE SUMMARY OF THE CHANGE THERE IN YOUR PRINTOUT.
UM, THIS WAS REALLY TO SEPARATE THE QUANTITIES FOR CATEGORY ONE B, LOW BURNING VELOCITY, FLAMMABLE GASES, UM, IN THIS TABLE.
SO WE HAVE LOW BURNING VELOCITY AND HIGH BURNING VELOCITY THAT WERE JUST IDENTIFIED.
CRYSTAL, WHAT INDUSTRIES WOULD THIS AFFECT? UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THEY WERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF, UM, CHEMICALS THAT, THAT WE COULDN'T EVEN NAME WHEN WE LOOKED UP.
WHAT WOULD BE A CATEGORY ONE B, YOU KNOW, LOW BURNING VELOCITY.
UM, CRYSTAL, I CAN, UH, STEP IN A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT I LEARNED.
UH, SO WE HAD THE, UH, IFC SIGNIFICANT CHANGES LAST WEEK WITH THE CHAPTER.
AND WHAT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP, THE MAIN CATALYST FOR THIS CHANGE WAS THE INTRODUCTION OF, OF FLAMMABLE, UH, REFRIGERANTS, UH, AS THAT AS THE INDUSTRY FOR MECHANICAL SIDE.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF REFRIGERANTS THAT WILL MEET THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
A LOT OF THEM ARE BECOMING FLAMMABLE, BUT THEY HAVE A VERY LOW, UH, FLAME SPEED VELOCITY.
SO TO, THEY STILL NEED TO FALL WITHIN THIS TABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE FLAMMABLE GAS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE LOWER VELOCITY, THERE'S LESS RESTRICTIONS THAT NEED TO BE PLACED ON THAT.
SO THEY PULLED THIS OUT TO KINDA SAY IT FALLS UNDER THIS ONE B.
SO YOU CAN HAVE A LOT MORE OF THAT BEFORE YOU MOVE INTO KIND OF ME MEETING OVER THE MAQ, UH, SO THAT A LOT OF THE CATALYST CAME FROM THE MECHANICAL FIELD.
AGAIN, I, I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THIS.
JUST BE, AND IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, 90% OF IT WAS LIKE SWAHILI TO ME.
SO WE'RE CHANGING THE, UM, COMPONENT OF REFRIGERANTS, YOU KNOW, FOR AIR CONDITIONING AND MAKING THEM FLAMMABLE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A NON-TECHNICAL PERSON SEEMS KIND OF CRAZY, BUT WE'RE DOING IT.
WHAT IMPACT IS THIS GONNA HAVE? LIKE THEY'RE GONNA SAY, REFRIGERANTS HAVE TO BE FLAMMABLE, AND NOW YOU HAVE TO SPRINKLE EVERYTHING.
LIKE THAT'S THE CONCERN OF WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD HERE.
SO I I I, I, I KIND OF WANT TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS ACTUALLY MEANS, UM, DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, AND NOT JUST GLOSS OVER IT.
UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT IN A ENGLISH VER
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF, IF, AND HAPPY TO MAYBE DO A SHORT PRESENTATION NEXT MEETING, UH, DISCUSSING THIS IN MORE DETAIL, BUT, UH, JUST IN, SO THE, THE FLAME VELOCITY VELOCITY, UH, WHEN YOU'RE KINDA LOOKING AT, UH, THE FLAME SPEED OF A GAS, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL OF EXPLOSIONS.
UM, AND THIS WOULD HAVE SUCH A LOW FLAME SPEED THAT YOU WOULD NEVER GET DEFECATION OR EXPLOSION FROM THAT.
SO THE, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE,
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OF THE FIRE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TYPE OF A, UH, GAS IS MUCH LESS DANGEROUS THAN WHAT YOU WOULD GET WITH A ONE A CLASS.SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, HEY, INSTEAD OF BEING LUMPED IN WITH ONE A AND ALL THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IMPLIED FOR A ONE A GAS, WE'RE GONNA CREATE THIS ONE B GAS AND REDUCE THE RESTRICTION REQUIREMENTS SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MINIMIZING THE IMPACT OF HAVING THESE FLAMMABLE GASES BEING USED MECHANICAL.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT I'VE LEARNED, UH, FROM THAT ONE MEETING.
I'M HAPPY TO DIG INTO IT AND GIVE A MUCH BETTER DETAILED ANALYSIS TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
UH, SO Y'ALL CAN KIND OF REVIEW THAT AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE ANY MORE FEEDBACK FROM THERE.
I RECOMMEND WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE MEET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET A BETTER, CLEAR EXPLANATION OF THESE CHANGES.
AND ALSO MAYBE THE MECHANICAL DEPARTMENT TO EXPLAIN IT.
AND MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT A AMENDMENT IN TO KIND OF EXPLAIN IT WHAT IT IS.
BECAUSE THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO IS HAVING TO COMPLY WITH THIS IS GONNA HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT IT IS.
BECAUSE IF YOU ALL ARE HAVING A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHAT IT IS, THE AVERAGE TECHNICIAN OR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO FOLLOW THE CODE IS GONNA HAVE EVEN MORE.
AND SO MAYBE A DEF ADDED DEFINITION TO EXPLAIN THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY, THE ONE A APPLIES TO, YOU KNOW, THE REFRIGERATOR AND THE ROOFS, YOU KNOW, OR THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO CHOICE, YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO WITH THIS FREON.
AND THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT THINGS IT HEAVILY DISCUSSED DURING THE MECHANICAL CODE, UH, INTERNAL REVIEW.
UH, SO I'M SURE IT'LL BE DISCUSSED HEAVILY IN OUR MECHANICAL SIDE AS WELL.
AND THE IMPACTS ARE ON BOTH MECHANICAL AND BUILDING BECAUSE THE BUILDING HAS TO FACILITATE, UH, ANY EXTRA PROTECTIONS NEEDED, UH, WITH THAT ADDITION THERE.
SO I AGREE WITH THE IDEA, LET'S, UH, TABLE IT TILL FIRE CODE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT ITEMS THERE.
AND IT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
I CAN COME UP WITH SOME GOOD PRESENTATION, UH, PROBABLY FIVE MINUTES.
BUT WHAT I WILL DO IS EXPLAIN IT MORE DETAIL, GIVE THE SCIENCE BEHIND THAT, UM, AND AS MUCH, UM, IN LAYMAN TERMS AS POSSIBLE.
UH, BUT THEN ALSO CORRELATE THAT TO THE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE ONE B, IS THAT CHANGING ANYTHING OR REALLY DID THE CODE TRY TO PULL OUT THE ONE B SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE ALL THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS AND SAY, LOOK, YEAH, WE'RE ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A HAZARD, BUT IT'S SUCH A MITIGATED HAZARD AND WE ALREADY HAVE SO MANY OTHER SYSTEMS IN PLACE ACROSS THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE ALREADY ADJUSTED FOR.
BUT IF THERE IS ANY CHANGES THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED BY THIS, WE CAN CORRELATE THOSE WITH BETWEEN THE MECHANICAL CODE, THE FIRE CODE, THE BUILDING CODE, UH, ANY OTHER CODE.
I'LL KIND OF PRESENT THAT TO YOU ALL SO Y'ALL CAN EVALUATE THAT AND HAVE KINDA SEE ALL THE POINTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TABLE, UM, LINE NUMBER THREE.
AND MA'AM LINE NUMBER FOUR UNTIL THE FIRE CODE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THIS WAS, UH, ADDITION TO, UM, NEW ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE RESIDENTIAL GROUP ARE LISTS.
SO THIS REALLY CLARIFIES USES WITH FIVE GUEST ROOMS OR FEWER, UH, OR FIVE GUEST ROOMS OR MORE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE ITEMS IDENTIFIED IN BLUE, UM, THAT JUST ADDED THE FIVE GUEST ROOM LIMIT FOR R ONE, R TWO AND R THREE.
THIS ROBERT HANLEY CRYSTAL, IS THERE A DEFINITION FOR, FOR THAT, FOR LODGING HOUSES? I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, ARE THEY CONNECTED, UH, HAVE COMMON WALLS BETWEEN THE UNITS OR IF THEY'RE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY'RE FIVE SEPARATE LITTLE A DU TYPE UNITS, DOES THAT STILL, UH, IS THAT RELEVANT OR DO WE NEED IT? IS THERE A DEFINITION THAT EXPLAINS THAT THERE IS A DEFINITION FOR LODGING HOUSES? UM, AND THIS WOULD BE ONE SINGLE STRUCTURE THAT CONTAINS THE GUEST ROOM.
INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES ARE IDENTIFIED OR CLASSIFIED INDIVIDUALLY.
LODGING AND GUEST ROOM WOULD IDENTIFY LIKE A HOTEL ROOM, NOT A, NOT BEDROOMS OR DWELLING UNITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
RIGHT? SO IF IT'S IDENTIFIED AS A, A GUEST HOUSE, YOU COULD SAY THAT BEDROOM IS A SLEEPING UNIT OR A GUEST ROOM.
SO I'LL READ THE DEFINITION OF LODGING HOUSE, THOSE ONE FAMILY DWELLING WHERE ONE OR MORE OCCUPANTS ARE PRIMARILY PERMANENT IN NATURE AND RENT IS PAID FOR GUEST ROOMS. THIS IS, UM, LODGING HOUSES IS NOT A NEW ITEM FOR R ONE.
IT'S JUST SHOWING WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, MORE
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THAN FIVE GUEST ROOMS. IT'S IDENTIFIED AS AN RR ONE, LESS THAN FIVE, MORE THAN FIVE R FOUR BRIAN SMITH.SO I'M, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, SO A AIRBNB, IF YOU HAD A SEPARATE GUEST HOUSE THAT HAD, UM, SIX BEDROOMS, THEN IT WOULD NO LONGER BE OUR ONE.
CORRECT? UM, THAT WOULD STILL, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
THIS IS WHERE I LIVE IN THIS HOUSE AND I'M RENTING THESE ROOMS TO GUESTS.
JUST THIS TYPICAL LODGING HOUSE WHERE, UM, EVERYBODY COMES DOWN AND EATS BREAKFAST TOGETHER.
UM, AND I'M SERVING THAT FOOD.
THIS IS MY HOUSE AND I'M RENTING THE ROOMS TO GUESTS BREAKFAST.
BUT, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M JUST READING HERE, IT JUST SAYS LODGING HOUSES.
SO IT, IT'S FIVE MORE GUEST ROOMS. SO IF YOU HAD A LODGING HOUSE, THEY SPREAD BREAKFAST THAT HAD SIX BEDROOMS OR A AIRBNB THAT HAD SIX BEDROOMS, THEN IT'S NO LONGER R ONE IS WHAT I'M READING THE INTERPRETATION.
HOW AM I INCORRECT? SO IF I HAVE ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING THAT HAS SIX ROOMS AND I RENT IT TO YOUR FAMILY, THAT IS NOT AN R ONE.
I MEAN, THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
SO THIS R ONE IS A HOTEL SITUATION.
SO, OKAY, SO I, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DENSE, BUT WHAT, GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU ARE ASKING IS IN R ONE, IT DEFINES EVERY HOTEL IS R ONE.
AND IT SAYS EVERY MOTEL IS R ONE, BUT THEN IT GOES DOWN INTO R TWO AND BASICALLY HAS HOTELS WITH THE SAME THING THAT SAYS WITH MORE THAN, SO IS THE, IS THE, IS THE HYATT HOTEL THAT'S DOWNTOWN, IS IT AN R ONE OCCUPANCY OR AN R TWO OCCUPANCY? BECAUSE IT HAS MORE THAN FIVE GUEST ROOMS AND IT'S REALLY NOT AN R TWO, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IT IS AN R ONE DEFINITION VERIFICATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO OUR ONES, OUR HOTELS, UM, THOSE TYPICALLY REQUIRE, UH, MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THE OCCUPANTS ARE TRANSIENT, RIGHT? THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHERE THE EXITS ARE.
R TWOS ARE A LITTLE LESS STRINGENT BECAUSE THOSE OCCUPANTS ARE TYPICALLY NON-TRANSIENT.
THAT'S YOUR TYPICAL APARTMENT COMPLEX.
UM, AND NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THIS, UM, WHERE WE HAVE MAY HAVE A LONG-TERM STAY HOTEL THAT MAY HAVE BOTH SLEEPING UNITS, DWELLING UNITS, UM, TRANSIENT, NON-TRANSIENT.
SO THIS IS TO CAPTURE ALL OF THOSE, OR JUST TO KIND OF BREAK THOSE DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLASSIFYING THE BUILDING CORRECTLY.
UM, NUMBER SIX, SECTION THREE, 10.3 AND THREE 10.4.
SO THESE SAME R TWO R THREE SECTIONS.
SO THEY IDENTIFY, THEY ADDED A LINE ITEM, EMERGENCY SERVICE LIVING QUARTERS.
UM, SO THIS WAS REALLY TO CAPTURE LIKE A FIRE STATION, BUT WE ALREADY IDENTI IDENTIFY A FIRE STATION AS A B OCCUPANCY.
SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION FOR DISCUSSION.
IF THIS ITEM SHOULD BE REMOVED OR WERE THERE, ARE, ARE THERE OTHER USES WHERE THIS COULD BE, UH, UTILIZED OR IDENTIFIED? UM, THIS IS ROBERT HANNEY.
MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS, THIS IS, LOOKS LIKE THIS IS BEING INSERTED FOR THAT RARE, RARE, RARE EXCEPTION.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN HERE.
THERE'S OTHER METHODOLOGIES THAT THE CITY THAT YOU CAN DEAL WITH, THOSE EXCEPTIONS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THIS HAS EVER COME UP IN ANY OTHER OCCUPANCY.
UM, AGAIN, WE IDENTIFIED FIRE STATIONS AS THE CURRENT AMENDMENT, UH, AS A B OCCUPANCY.
SO THEN THE RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TAKE IT OUT.
THEY DIDN'T GIVE A RECOMMENDATION.
NO, BUT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. HANLEY SAYS THAT IT SHOULD BE REMOVED AS TO NOT ADD CONFUSION.
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SO WE WILL, THE RECOMMENDATION WILL BE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO REMOVE FROM BOTH OF THESE SECTIONS.DO WE KNOW WHY THEY DID THAT? I MEAN, WAS THERE SOME, IS THERE SOME REASON THAT WE'RE NOT, I, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR SOMETHING THAT'S MINOR AS THIS, BUT JUST JUST A CURIOSITY WE CAN MAYBE REVISIT SOME OTHER TIME.
ROBERT HANLEY, I AGREE WITH MIKE.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HEAR THE HISTORY BECAUSE THE COMMITTEES ON A NATIONAL LEVEL THAT DO THIS.
WHAT PRECIPITATED THIS RECOMMENDATION? PROBABLY THERE WERE PROBABLY ISSUES WITH HOW JURISDICTIONS WERE IDENTIFYING FIRE STATIONS, UM, OR OTH ANOTH, OTHER EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTERS THAT MAY HAVE THESE SLEEPING QUARTERS.
YEAH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PUT IN THE WORD EMERGENCY SERVICES, LIVING QUARTERS, I, I ALWAYS THINK OF COMMAND CENTERS DURING NATIONAL DISASTERS.
BUT I THINK THAT'S AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.
AND THIS WOULD JUST ADD CONFUSION TO, TO THE DESIGN COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE.
UM, THE NEXT ONE, ITEM 7 4 3, 11 0.2.
THEY ADDED THE BATTERIES TO THIS ITEM AND THE VEHICLE REPAIR GARAGES AS WELL.
SO IF YOU HAVE A VEHICLE REPAIR GARAGE FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE POWERED BY LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES, YOU CLASSIFY IT AS AN S ONE.
THAT'S REALLY ALL OF ALL THIS LIST IS TELLING US.
OR IF YOU HAVE STORAGE OF THE BATTERIES, THAT'S ALSO AN S ONE, AGAIN, JUST TO HELP IDENTIFY THE OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION, WHICH THEN LATER YOU'LL SEE SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS OR, UM, OTHER ITEMS FOR THESE USES.
UH, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN.
UH, CRYSTAL, LET ME ASK YOU, AND I SEE IT'S STORAGE AND WE ALL ARE VERY AWARE IF YOU WATCH THE NEWS THAT LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES HAVE PARTICULAR ISSUES IN STORAGE.
MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS BECAUSE I HEARD A PRESENTATION A FEW MONTHS BACK ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES AND THEY TAKE UP A MINIMUM OF AN ACRE LAND, THEY'RE LIKE, UH, CONTAINERS FROM A CONTAINER SHIP AND IT'S, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS STORING EITHER SOLAR OR WIND POWER IN THESE, WHAT WOULD BE THAT STYLE OF BATTERY CLASSIFICATION? THAT WOULD, SORRY, I, YEAH, THAT WOULD STILL BE AN S OCCUPANCY.
IS THAT, IS THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? ANY OF THE STORAGE OF THE BATTERIES WOULD FALL UNDER THE S ONE CLASSIFICATION AND THEN ANY PROVISIONS, UM, FOR THAT OCCUPANCY.
AND ALSO, I WANT TO STEP IN, SO STORAGE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT UTILIZATIONS FOR THE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM.
SO CHAPTER 12 TALKS ABOUT AN ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM THAT'S A SYSTEM THAT'S TIED INTO THE GRID AND BEING USED TIED TO SOLAR PANELS TIED TO, YOU KNOW, CPS FOR THE CITY, PULLING THE, YOU KNOW, CHARGING BACK UP AND, AND THEN CONSTANTLY PROVIDING THAT POWER BACK.
SO THEY'RE CONSTANTLY BEING USED STORAGE IN THIS CONTEXT.
AND WHAT THEY'RE ADDING UNDER THIS IS THESE ARE ALL THE BATTERIES THAT ARE GONNA BE USED FOR THOSE SYSTEMS BEING STORED SOMEWHERE, WHETHER IT BE, UM, CASE IN POINT, NAVISTAR DOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE, MOVING TO EV, STORING THOSE ELECTRICAL BATTERIES THAT WILL GO INTO THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT TIED TO A SYSTEM.
SO THAT'S THE TYPE OF STORAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
AND IT'S, AND WHAT THEY'VE KIND OF DECIDED WAS THAT LEVEL OF HAZARD IS LOWER THAN AN OPERATIONAL BATTERY THAT'S CONSTANTLY BEING USED, HEATING UP, COOLING DOWN, SURGE OF ELECTRICITY THROUGH IT ALL THE TIME.
SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT CHAPTER THAT'S BEEN ADDED, UH, IN CHAPTER I BELIEVE THREE THAT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT THAT TYPE OF STORAGE OF THE ENERGY SYSTEMS. AND BRIAN SMITH JUST, UH, REAL QUICK QUESTION IS WHAT ABOUT HOUSES THAT HAVE THE SOLAR POWER OR THAT, BUT THEY HAVE THE BATTERY BACKUP ON THE HOUSES AND THAT IS BEING STORED.
HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE CLASSIFIED? BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS PARTICULAR SIZE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IS IF YOU'RE BUILDING A HOUSE AND YOU HAVE A BATTERY BACKUP, WHICH LIKE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT IS BOTH THE, UM, BOTH THE NC AND THE IRC KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT'S ALLOWED.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, EVERYTHING'S GONNA FALL UNDER AN MAQ, UH, MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE QUANTITY OF, OF THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND USUALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, THAT'S PART, SO THAT'S A SYSTEM 'CAUSE IT'S BEING UTILIZED AND IT'S TIED TO THE, THAT IT'S ALL BASED ON THE KILOWATT, YOU KNOW, SO X NUMBER OF KILOWATTS USUALLY AROUND 300, 500 PER SQUARE FOOT OR AREA.
ONCE YOU KIND OF START EXCEEDING THAT, THEN YOU START MOVING INTO A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION.
UM, SO LIKE A STORAGE WOULD MOVE
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INTO A HAZARD, AN H FIVE ONCE THEY GET TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF STORAGE REQUIREMENT OR, OR OR KILOWATT OF STORAGE, UM, ON THE ACTUAL SYSTEM.ONCE YOU HAVE A HEAVY LOAD, YOU EXCEED THAT M AQ.
SO IN THE IRC THEY DO TALK ABOUT IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE POWER WALLS, IF YOU INSTALLED IT WHERE IT CAN BE LOCATED AT, BUT ALSO LIKE HOW MUCH YOU COULD HAVE, UM, I DON'T THINK THE IRC IS GONNA TALK ABOUT MOVING INTO LIKE A, HEY, YOU'RE NOW TECHNICALLY AN S ONE.
IT'S REALLY JUST GONNA SAY YOU CAN'T EXCEED THIS MUCH.
JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S BEEN DEFINED.
WE'LL COVER THAT IN THE IRC, NOT IN THE IBC AND THEN SOMEWHERE IN THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE BUILDINGS, THERE'S A MINIMUM QUANTITY OF THESE THINGS YOU HAVE TO STORE BEFORE YOU GO INTO IT.
YOU USING YOUR BANK CORRECT? YOU'RE SAYING THE MAQ BEFORE IT BECOMES SOMETHING ELSE? YEAH.
THAT'S ALL DEFINED IN READING THE LIST AND I'M PAYING ATTENTION A LITTLE MORE.
'CAUSE I KNOW, UH, A LITTLE MORE EXPERIENCE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR IS LIKE IN AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY, WE'RE STORING A LOT OF THIS STUFF, BUT IT'S IN VERY SMALL QUANTITIES.
SO WE HAVE LITHIUM BATTERIES FOR REPLACEMENT OF SMOKE DETECTOR BATTERIES.
WE HAVE SMOKE DETECTORS THAT HAVE, NOW THEY'RE ALL LITHIUM BATTERY STORAGE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR STORE ROOM, YOU KNOW, THAT STORING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF PARTS DOESN'T GET CLASSIFIED AS S AND HAVE TO DO SOME MAJOR.
YEAH, NO, AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S DEFINED IN THE NEW SECTION FOR ENERGY OR FOR BATTERY STORAGE, LITHIUM ION BATTERY STORAGE, NOT SYSTEM.
AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT'S UNDER CHAPTER THREE, R FOUR AND MORE DEFINED BETTER THAN THE IFC.
SO THIS IS JUST THE ENERGY STORAGE.
A LOT OF THOSE PARTS ARE ON THIS LIST.
AND I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT OUR MAINTENANCE STORE ROOM DOESN'T GET CLASSIFIED AS AN S ON THE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE CORRECT.
THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S DEFINED OF LIKE HOW MANY BUILDING AND ALSO A LOT OF THAT'S EXEMPT.
UH, SO WHEN WE GET THERE, YOU'LL SEE IN A LOT BETTER DETAIL, BUT IT DOES ADDRESS THAT.
AND THE WHOLE POINT IS TO TRY TO CLARIFY THAT SO THAT THE A AHAS CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, NO, THIS ISN'T A HAZARD, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE COMMODITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND BEEN OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND VERY STABLE.
THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT.
AND IT DEFINES WHEN YOU REACH A CERTAIN LEVEL, LEVEL OF INSTALLATION.
SO IT MIGHT BE, HEY, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING 20 BOXES OF LITHIUM ION, MAYBE I'M JUST GONNA HAVE ONE HERE, HERE AND HERE.
BUT IT DEFINES WHAT THOSE LEVELS ARE.
THIS WAS A CHANGE TO 4 0 4 0.6 FOR ATRIUMS, ENCLOSURE OF ATRIUMS. SO THEY REMOVED THE GROUP I TWO AND I ONE CONDITION ONE FROM EXCEPTION NUMBER FOUR AND JUST CREATED A NEW EXCEPTION.
SO YOU'LL SEE FOUR SAYS IN OTHER THAN, AND THEN FIVE IDENTIFIES THOSE OCCUPANCY GROUPS AND THIS JUST REALLY GETS THESE ATRIUM PROVISIONS UP TO SPEED WITH THE LIFE SAFETY CODE FOR HEALTHCARE FACILITIES WITH VERTICAL OPENINGS, WHICH IS AN ATRIUM.
SO AN I TWO, THOSE ARE HOSPITALS.
WHAT'S THE NINE ONE I ONE? THOSE ARE YOUR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES.
AND EVEN GROUP HOMES, HALFWAY HOMES.
WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE, UH, LIKE DEMENTIA CARE FACILITIES? UM, THEY HAVE 16 BEDS AND 18 EIGHT BEDS.
I KNOW A LOT OF THOSE IN TEXAS THAT THEY ALLOW.
WOULD THAT INCLUDE THAT AS WELL? THAT WOULD INCLUDE THAT.
UM, WE TYPICALLY DON'T SEE ATRIUMS IN THOSE USES, BUT IF THEY, YEAH, IF THEY DID, THEN THIS WOULD BE A NEW, UM, REQUIREMENT, A NEW EXCEPTION TO IDENTIFY THOSE USES SPECIFICALLY.
JASMINE WILL SCROLL THERE SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT THIS IS FOR THOSE GROUP I TWOS JUST IDENTIFYING THAT THE CIRCULATION PASS WITHIN A CARE SUITE, UM, THEY JUST HAVE TO BE, I THINK THIS IS THE 36 INCHES.
SO THIS IS JUST CONSISTENT WITH NFPA 1 0 1.
THESE AREN'T NECESSARILY CORRIDORS, SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CHAPTER 10 FOR CORRIDORS.
THEY'RE, THESE CIRCULATION PATHS ARE ALLOWED TO BE, UM, A MINIMUM OF 36 INCHES WIDE.
AND BRIAN CRYSTAL, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, CAN WE REWIND TO
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SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON, ON THE SHEET? ABSOLUTELY.4 0 3 5 3 STAIRWAY DOOR OPERATION 4 0 3 5 3.
I JUST WANTED KIND OF FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY IMPLICATION OF THAT THAT BEFORE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS MEANINGFUL.
SO THEY JUST TOOK THIS FROM A, IN THE 2021, IT WAS IN THE PARAGRAPH AND THEY MADE IT A LIST.
YEAH, IF YOU GUYS SEE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO, TO QUESTION OR COMMENT ON, UH, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
AGAIN, WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
UM, BUT IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT CATCHES YOUR EYE AS A CHANGE, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS.
MIKE, DO YOU WANNA LOOK AT WE CAN, WE HAVE THE 21 UP AS WELL SO WE CAN JUST, OKAY.
YOU TRUST ME THAT MY FIRST MISTAKE, RIGHT?
THIS WAS, UH, THEY REMOVED A SECTION FROM FOUR 10.7.
THE REMOVED SECTIONS ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO IDENTIFY.
JASMINE'S KIND OF HOVERING OVER THAT BLACK ARROW THAT WILL ONLY SHOW UP IN THE DIGITAL VERSION.
SO YOU WON'T SEE THIS IN YOUR CODE BOOK, YOUR HARD COPY.
UM, SO YOU'LL NEED TO LOOK FOR IT, UM, IN THE DIGITAL VERSION.
SO THIS SECTION IS FOR STAGES AND THEY REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR STANDPIPES.
THIS IS REALLY GREAT BECAUSE WE SEE A LOT OF STAGES IN SCHOOLS, RIGHT? ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, HIGH SCHOOLS.
UM, AND THE REASON STATEMENT WITH IS THAT THIS, THIS REQUIREMENTS ARCHAIC AND NOBODY WANTS, UM, THE BUILDING OCCUPANTS TO BE HOOKING INTO THE STANDPIPE AND FIGHTING THE FIRE ON THE STAGE.
WE HAD A LOT OF CODE MODIFICATIONS ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE FOR SCHOOLS.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT ONE? OKAY.
UM, ITEM 11, THAT IS FOR THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, THAT FLAMMABLE GAS, UH, ITEM.
DO YOU WANNA TABLE THIS TO DISCUSS WITH THE IFC AND NUMBER 12? YES.
THE NEXT ITEM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 13.
THAT WAS A NEW EXCEPTION TO 5 0 3 1 4 1.
ENCLOSURES OVER OCCUPIABLE ROOF AREAS.
NUMBER TWO, WHICH SAYS, UM, THOSE ELEMENTS ARE STRUCTURES ON THE ROOF WHERE THE ROOF DECK IS MORE THAN 75 FEET ABOVE THE LOWEST LEVEL.
THEY ARE NOT, UH, THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM THE REQUIREMENT OF, UH, EXTENDING 48 INCHES ABOVE THE SURFACE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN? SO THIS ALLOWS THE PARAPETS OR GUARDS OR ANY OTHER ELEMENTS ON THE ROOF THAT, UM, THAT ARE OUT OF FIREFIGHTER LADDER REACH.
SO MORE THAN 75 FEET ABOVE GRADE, THEY CAN, THEY CAN BE HIGHER.
SO THIS DETER, THEY, THE GUARDS CAN BE HIGHER THAN FOUR FEET TO DETER PEOPLE FROM STEPPING OFF OF THE ROOF.
SO THESE ARE ROOFTOP TERRACES THAT THEY HAVE ACTUAL WALLS OR PARAPETS INSTEAD OF RAILINGS, AND THEY CAN HAVE THAT HIGHER THAN 48 INCHES EXACTLY.
AS LONG AS THE BUILDING IS, IS HIGH RISE.
AND IT'S SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT 48 INCH MAXIMUM HEIGHT BECAUSE NOBODY IS GOING TO BE GETTING ON THE ROOF FROM, UH, EXTERIOR THERE.
IS THERE A DEFINITION OF WHAT, UH, WHAT PERCENT OF A SPACE ON THE ROOF CAN BE ENCLOSED BEFORE IT BECOMES ENCLOSED?
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WE DO HAVE A, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THAT WHERE WE HAVE ALLOWED ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.IT IS NO MORE THAN A THIRD OF THE ROOF AREA.
BUT IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE BALLS ON THREE SIDES, IS THAT STILL OPEN OR IS IT ENC? SO IF THERE'S NO ROOF, THEN IT'S NOT ENCLOSED IF THERE'S NO ROOF STRUCTURES.
SO IF YOU JUST HAVE PARAPETS AROUND THE, THE SURROUNDING AS LONG AS ROOFTOP.
SORRY, ON THAT QUESTION YOU WERE ASKING.
SO ENCLOSURE WOULD BE COMPLETE ROOF THAT WOULDN'T BE LIKE A TRELLIS OR ANY TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE PARTIAL, IS THAT CORRECT? WHEN, WHEN WE HIT WHAT, WHAT CLASSIFIES AS ENCLOSED, CORRECT.
THOSE CAN, WELL NOT A TRELLIS, NOT NOT A TRELLIS.
BUT IF YOU HAVE SHADE, SHADE CLARIFICATION INSIDE, YEAH, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S STILL OPEN.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S FLAMMABLE THAT'S THERE, BUT, BUT I JUST WANT TO DEFINE THE TERM ENCLOSURES TO MAKE SURE.
FOR TYPE OF TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE LOOKING AT 6 0 2 4 2 2 2 2 2 2 PROTECTED AREAS.
SO THEY REVISED THE EXCEPTION 1.1.
UM, THEY JUST REVISED THOSE ALLOWANCES FROM 20% TO A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO THAT WAS BASED ON RECENT FIRE TESTS THAT WERE DONE THAT WERE CONCLUDED.
SO THE PROPOSED AMOUNTS OF UNPROTECTED AREAS OF THE CEILINGS AND WALLS AS A FUNCTION OF THE FLOOR AREA CAN BE SAFELY.
SO THEY INCREASE THAT FROM 20 TO A HUNDRED.
MM-HMM,
SO WE ARE CRUISING ALONG TO CHAPTER SEVEN NOW FOR ITEM 15, 7 0 5 0.6 FOR CONTINUITY.
SO THIS JUST IDENTIFIES HOW TO ADDRESS THE CONTINUITY OF THE REQUIRED EXTERIOR WALL.
THIS DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT WE WERE DOING OR DOES IT? NO, IT DOESN'T CHANGE CEILING.
OH, I'M, I'M SORRY TO, TO KEEP DOING THIS.
SO I SEE BLUE AND IT MAKES ME LOOK, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT 7 0 4 1 1 SEEMS TO BE ENTIRELY NEW.
IS THAT JUST REPLICATED FROM A DIFFERENT FOUR ONE PARAGRAPH.
7 0 4 1 1 THAT'S SUPPORTING CONSTRUCTION? YES, IT WAS AN EDITORIAL CHANGE AND IT WAS INCLUDED IN 7 0 1 0.70 4.1 PREVIOUSLY.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE OF THOSE LITTLE BLACK ARROWS RIGHT UNDER THAT.
DO WE KNOW WHAT WAS DELETED? DO THE WE COULD DO THE CODE CHANGE DETAIL.
UM, I DUNNO WHAT BRING, IF I'M NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT THE DELETION, BUT
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I MEAN, FOR, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I DO GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN THEY JUST START CHANGING WORDING AND, BECAUSE I MEAN, THESE THINGS MATTER.YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT'S WORDED, THE WAY IT IS, IT MATTERS A LOT AND I KNOW THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO TRY AND SUSS THAT OUT WHEN YOU'RE PREPPING FOR THESE THINGS.
SO IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STAFF PROCESS, BUT I DO THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE THINGS WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY REWORD IT OR MOVE IT AROUND BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE SOME SERIOUS IMPLICATIONS THAT WE, THAT JUST KIND OF SURPRISE US.
SO I'M NOT JUST TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR THE SAKE OF IT.
I DO ENJOY BEING DIFFICULT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE.
UM, SO THEY REMOVED 7 0 1 0.2, WHICH WAS COLUMN PROTECTION AND THEY COMBINED IT WITH THE 7 0 4, UH, TWO, THE PROTECTION OF PRIMARY STRUCTURAL FRAME.
THIS WAS A NEW SECTION FOR 7 0 5 7 1.
THIS IS FOR TYPE THREE CONSTRUCTION WHERE THE EXTERIOR WALLS, UM, ARE REQUIRED TO BE NON-COMBUSTIBLE.
AND THE INTERIOR CAN BE ANY MATERIAL APPROVED BY THE CODE.
SO THIS SECTION JUST CLARIFIES HOW TO TREAT THE INTERSECTION OF FLOORS AND EXTERIOR WALLS.
SO THOSE FLOORS RIGHT, AREN'T REQUIRED TO BE, THEY CAN BE NOT, THEY CAN BE COMBUSTIBLE AND HOW THEY INTERSECT WITH THE NON-COMBUSTIBLE WALL.
UM, IT JUST HELPS CLARIFY THAT, UM, THOSE FLOORS CAN BE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE NON-COMBUSTIBLE.
THEY CAN BE FIRE RETARDANT TREATED WOOD.
DO WE SEE MUCH OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION? MOSTLY EXISTING.
WE SEE THE TYPE THREE CONSTRUCTION A LOT IN LIKE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, UM, A GOOD AD.
SO WHAT'S THIS, WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS PREVIOUSLY IF I HAD A FIREWALL THAT HAD TO BE, YOU KNOW, NON-COMBUSTIBLE, WHATEVER FLOOR JOISTS ATTACHED TO IT COULD JUST BE STANDARD WOOD.
NOW IT HAS TO BE FIRE TREATED, FIRE RESISTANCE TREATED.
NO, I THINK WE WOULD GO THE OTHER WAY.
THAT IF YOU ARE INTERSECTING THAT NON-COMBUSTIBLE WALL, YOU HAVE TO BE NON-COMBUSTIBLE TO MAINTAIN THAT CONTINUITY.
SO NOW THIS IS SAYING BEFORE YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO YEAH, THIS MAKES IT A LITTLE, UM, A LITTLE EASIER.
YEAH, IF I SAY SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE JUMP.
YOU WANNA BRING UP THE, UM, WORK DOCUMENT? GOOD.
ITEM 17, UM, IS TABLE 7 0 5 0.9.
SO THIS TABLE IDENTIFIES THE MAXIMUM AREA OF THE EXTERIOR WALL OPENINGS.
AND WE ARE, WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A SMALL CHANGE TO FOOTNOTE J.
SO THIS SAYS THAT, HEY, IF YOU HAVE THIS STRUCTURE THAT IS, UM, RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE OR RIDE ON THAT FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCE LINE, UM, YOU'RE NOT PERMITTED TO HAVE ANY OPENINGS.
SO SAY YOU WANT, YOU HAVE PARKING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AND YOU WANNA PUT SOME SHADED PARKING, YOU WANNA PUT CARPORTS, UM, YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT OPEN A CARPORT, RIGHT? UM, AND YOU COULDN'T PUT IT WITHIN THREE FEET OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AMENDMENT THAT SAYS, HEY, THAT GROUP YOU, IT'S JUST FOR, UM, SHADING, UH, WOULD BE PERMITTED TO BE WITHIN THAT FIVE FEET, THAT FIVE FOOT OF THE FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCE OR THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THE OPENINGS ARE UNLIMITED RIGHT NOW PER THIS TABLE, I, UM, IT'D HAVE TO BE SPRINKLERED OR, AND YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 15% OPENINGS.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A CHALLENGE FOR US WHEN YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, I JUST WANNA PUT SOME SHADING FOR MY PARKING, MY OFFICE BUILDING.
AND WE SAY, WELL YOU CAN'T BE WITHIN
YEAH, YOU HAVE TO BE 10 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE'RE SAYING, HEY, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MOVE IT UP TO THAT FIVE FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO AS JASMINE, UM, HAS ON THE SCREEN THERE, JUST ADD THAT FOOTNOTE ADD TO THE FOOTNOTE THAT GROUP U
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OCCUPANCY AND THEN SHADE STRUCTURE IS ALL THAT WE ADDED.WELL, SO YOU STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
BUT WOULD THIS CONFLICT WITH ANY OF ZONING? WELL, IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE ADJACENT TO A USE, THERE'S NO SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE A VERY BENEFICIAL CHANGE.
BUT IF YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 30 FOOT SETBACK, THEN THEN YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING WITHIN THAT SETBACK.
SETBACK REQUIREMENTS PER THE UDC, UM, ARE STILL REQUIRED.
THIS IS BUILDING CODE, FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCE, MAYBE CONFUSED WITH SETBACKS SOMETIMES BECAUSE FIVE FEET IS TYPICAL 10 FEET TYPICAL.
UM, BUT THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT.
BASICALLY THESE APPLY AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
WOULD THIS ALSO APPLY TO SHADES?
WOULD WOULD THIS ALSO APPLY TO SHADE STRUCTURES UP AGAINST THE BUILDING OR NEAR OUR BUILDING A COURTYARD AND THINGS OF THAT SORT? YES.
THAT IS, UH, THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CAP CAPTURE, UM, TO ALLOW THEM TO NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENCLOSE IT AND SPRINKLER IT AND, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP SIMPLE, SIMPLE, AN OPEN SHADE STRUCTURE.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO HAVE A PORTION OF IT SOLID, UH, SAY OVER AN EXTERIOR SINK SO THAT STORM WATER IS NOT DIRECTLY DRAINING INTO A SINK THAT'S OUT THERE, OR A GRILL OR THINGS OF THAT SORT? YEP.
JASMINE SHAKING HER HEAD YES HERE.
YES, THIS IS, THIS IS JASMINE ROA.
UM, SO WE SEE THIS A LOT LIKE CRYSTAL WAS EXPLAINING WITH YOUR SIMPLE CARPORTS, UH, SIMPLE LIKE, UH, PARK PAVILIONS, UH, AND ALSO JUST NOTABLY, UH, CHICK-FIL-A HAS BEEN EXPANDING, UH, THEIR DRIVE THROUGH CANOPIES.
UM, IF Y'ALL VISIT CHICK-FIL-A OFTEN LIKE WE DO, UM, THAT'S COME UP, THEY'RE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR PARKING LOT NEAR THEIR PROPERTY LINE AND IT'S CREATED THAT ISSUE, THAT CANOPY IN THOSE SUPPORTING COLUMNS CREATE THE PLANE OF A WALL, WHICH DSD THEN INTERPRETS AS UM, A 100% OPENING.
SO THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THAT NEED TO ENCLOSE IT, UH, AND OR SPRINKLER IT SO THAT WAY IT CAN BE JUST, ITS FREE STANDING DRIVE THROUGH CANOPY.
CRYSTAL IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, CAN WE TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? YES.
SO BASICALLY CHAIRMAN, UH, THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY.
UH, WE'RE OKAY WITH NUMBER 17? YES.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
UM, ITEM 18, UH, I, I PUT TWO SECTIONS IN HERE 'CAUSE I KIND OF ADDRESSED THE SAME THING THAT HORIZONTAL SEPARATION OFFSETS.
WE HAVE A NICE LITTLE, UM, GRAPHIC HERE TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THESE ARE NEW AND REVISED SECTIONS THAT REALLY HELP CLARIFY HOW THAT HORIZONTAL BUILDING SEPARATION IS IDENTIFIED.
UM, SO FIVE 10.2 SAYS YOU CAN THIS LIKE PODIUM CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE, WE'VE SEEN THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES AND THIS HELPS ENFORCE THAT THAT THREE HOUR SEPARATION CAN GO VERTICAL AND THEN CONTINUE HORIZONTAL.
UM, IF YOU MEET THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF, OF THESE SECTIONS, THIS IS HOW WE HAVE TYPICALLY INTERPRETED THIS.
UM, AND THIS JUST REINFORCES THAT INTERPRETATION.
SO IF YOU GO THIS WAY OR UP DOWN MM-HMM,
I MEAN, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO, IF YOU WANNA GET COMPLICATED, WE'VE SEEN THIS LIKE IN A PARKING GARAGE SITUATION, UM, WHERE THERE'S DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION AT THE SITE.
UH, AND, AND THIS KIND OF SAYS YES, WE WERE DOING IT RIGHT.
OKAY, ITEM 19, THIS WAS A REVISED SECTION, NEW EXCEPTIONS TO 7 0 7 0.6 FOR OPENINGS AND FIRE BARRIERS.
UH, THERE WAS AN INCORRECT REFERENCE THAT WAS UPDATED, UM, AND THEN A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS WERE ADDED.
UM, THIS IS JUST REALLY FOR THOSE, UM, ELEVATOR CAR WHERE THOSE, WHERE THE OPENING IN THE FIRE
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BARRIER IS NOT LIMITED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOUR ELEVATOR CARS MAY BE LARGER THAN 156 SQUARE FEET SHAFT ENCLOSURES AND, AND SHOOT ACCESS ROOMS. THIS REALLY JUST MAKES SENSE.UM, I ALLOWING, UM, LARGER OPENINGS IN THE FIRE BARRIER FOR THESE SPECIFIC ITEMS. GOOD.
UM, AND THIS IS ALSO REFERENCES BACK TO 30 0 6 0.3 FOR THE ELEVATOR HOIST WAY DOORS.
THIS IS FOR THE, UM, FIRE PARTITION WALLS THAT ENCLOS THOSE ELEVATOR LOBBIES.
UM, THEY HAVE TO TERMINATE AT A FIRE BARRIER OR FIRE PARTITION WALL.
JUST REALLY JUST REALLY CLARIFYING THAT, THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL DO THIS LAST ONE AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
SO ITEM 21, THAT IS A NEW EXCEPTION FOR SEVEN 10.4.
THAT CONTINUITY FOR SMOKE PARTITIONS.
THIS ADDS AN OPTION FOR LAYING CEILINGS, UM, IN GROUP I TWOS.
UH, SO IT ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR ACCESS PANELS AND OVER TO ACCESS OVERHEAD UTILITIES.
SO I STILL COMPLYING WITH THE, UM, SMOKE PARTITION REQUIREMENTS.
SO BEFORE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT HARD CEILING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN HOSPITALS YOU HAVE A LOT OF OVERHEAD UTILITIES RUNNING THROUGH ABOVE THE CEILING.
UM, AND THIS ALLOWS THE LAY IN CEILING TILES THAT MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF WE CAN TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, UH, WE'LL RECONVENE AT UH, 10 0 5 2 JOBS AND I'M TRYING TO DO MY JOB TRAINING THEM HOW TO DO THIS.
I PREFER THEM TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE.
SO IF THEY GO TO VOCATIONAL SCHOOL OR A PROGRAM AT COMMUNITY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL, I HAVE A BETTER CHANCE HE JUST, WHEN YOU WON'T HAVE A CAR THING, HE SCHEDULES YOU ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TO THREE WEEKS OUT.
WELL, HE'S A SMALL, UH, BRIAN SMITH, IT'S 1 0 8.
ALRIGHT, WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER 22.
THIS IS A NEW SECTION SEVEN TEN FOUR ONE FOR SMOKE PARTITION WALLS, ENC CLOSING ELEVATOR LOBBIES.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, A LOT IN THE SUMMARY CHANGE FOR THIS ONE.
THOUGHT WE JUST DIDN'T, DID WE JUST DO THIS ONE? NO, WE DID 4, 4 17 4.
AH, THIS, YEAH, SMALL PARTITIONS.
THIS IS THE ONE FOR, UM, THAT THE ELEVATOR, THE ELEVATOR LOBBY WALLS HAVE TO TERMINATE THAT FIRE BARRIER OR FIRE PARTITION.
I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M JUST MAYBE HAVING THIS ROBERT HANLEY, I APOLOGIZE, I'M HAVING A BRAIN PAUSE HERE, BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE RED BEING REDUNDANT, BUT IT IS.
IT WAS FOR, UM, FIRE PARTITION EARLIER AND THIS IS FOR SMOKE PARTITION, BUT I MAY HAVE THE WRONG SECTION NUMBER.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG SECTION NUMBER.
SO THE PREVIOUS ONE WE TALKED ABOUT WAS FOR THE FIRE BARRIERS, I'M SORRY, FIRE PARTITIONS.
AND THIS IS FOR SMOKE PARTITIONS.
SO THERE, THERE IS REDUNDANCY JUST IDENTIFYING WHERE THAT, UM, THAT SMOKE PARTITION HAS TO TERMINATE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, UH, ROBERT HANLEY, AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING A PROJECT AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE CODES, IT SURE WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER TO PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER SOMEWHERE ONCE INSTEAD OF TWO DIFFERENT
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PLACES IN THE CODE OR REFERENCE IT IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION.ALSO, SO AND SO APPLIES JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING IT AND YOU THINK, OKAY, I'VE ADDRESSED IT.
THEN YOU GO, OH WAIT, HERE'S SOMETHING ELSE.
AND SO JUST THE, THE EFFICIENCY AND EFFICACY OF IT IS A LITTLE LACKING.
WELL, THE, THE SECTIONS ARE BROKEN UP BY THAT FIREWALL, FIRE BARRIER, FIRE PARTITION, SMOKE BARRIER SMOKE PARTITION.
SO THERE, THERE IS THAT REDUNDANCY FOR EACH DIFFERENT WALL TYPE.
FIRE RESISTANCE RATING FOR SHAFT ENCLOSURES.
THIS IS A NEW EXCEPTION THAT REALLY JUST POINTS BACK TO THE HIGH RISE PROVISIONS AND 4 0 3 PENCIL.
OKAY, ITEM NUMBER 24 7 14 5 1.
THIS IS A NEW EXCEPTION, NUMBER FOUR FOR THROUGH PENETRATIONS.
SO THIS, I IDENTIFIES THOSE, UH, THROUGH PENETRATIONS FOR, UM, THROUGH CONCRETE FLOORS OR RAMPS WITHIN A PARKING GARAGE.
SO IT'S SAYING THESE PARTICULAR PENETRATIONS DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS SECTION UNLESS THERE'S RESIDENCES OR SOMETHING ABOVE THE TOP FLOOR, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IF THERE'S JUST PARKING ON THE FLOOR ABOVE AND BELOW, THEN UM, THEN YOU MEET THIS EXCEPTION.
THIS WAS AN ANOTHER NEW EXCEPTION TO 7 14 5 1 2 ALSO TALKING ABOUT THOSE PENETRATIONS AND CONCRETE FLOORS.
SO THIS IS FOR THE, UH, FIRE STOP SYSTEM.
CRYSTAL, IT, THIS, AGAIN, A LITTLE REDUNDANT BECAUSE ISN'T THIS ALSO ADDRESSED IN THE FIRE CODE? UH, NO, THESE ITEMS ARE NOT IN THE FIRE CODE.
I THOUGHT, UH, THROUGH PENETRATIONS, UM, BY ANY DUCT WORK PIPING, EVERYTHING ALWAYS HAD TO HAVE FIRE STOPS.
YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT, BUT I, I JUST, IT SEEMS THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL ALWAYS COMES AND LOOKS AT FIRE INSPECTOR LOOKS AT THOSE ON JOB SITES.
OH, WHERE FOR THE, FOR THE FIRE PRINT, SORRY.
ROLLING SENTENCE FOR THE FIRE PENETRATIONS AND THROUGH PENETRATIONS IT WOULD BE THE, IN, UH, OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS WHO, WHO, UH, INSPECTED I, I BELIEVE SOMETIMES THE FIRE WILL, WILL DO THEIR PENETRATIONS THROUGH SPRINKLERS.
UM, BUT ANY OTHER PENETRATIONS, IT WOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AT.
NEW EXCEPTIONS FOR 7 15 4 7 15 5.
WE'RE TRYING TO GROUP THESE TOGETHER IF, IF THEY ARE REDUNDANT.
IS THIS THE VOIDS? THIS IS THE VOIDS.
SO THIS IS EXTENDING THE EXCEPTIONS, UM, FOR THOSE CURTAIN WALL OR FLOOR INTERSECTIONS TO THE VOIDS IN THE CURTAIN WALL AND FLOOR INTERSECTION.
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OKAY.SO THIS IS ALSO A NEW EXCEPTION FOR SMOKE AND DRAFT CONTROL.
THIS IS AN EXCEPTION SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE ELEVATOR HOIST WAY DOORS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO MEET THAT SMOKE AND DRAFT CONTROL.
UM, BECAUSE AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY ASSEMBLED, THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO MEET THOSE SMOKE AND DRAFT CONTROL REQUIREMENTS.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EVER LOOK AT THAT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UM, TYPICALLY LOOK AT OR REQUIRE FOR THOSE ELEVATOR DOORS.
FOR ITEM 28, THESE ARE NEW 7 17 2 4 AND 2 4 1 FOR THE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING CONTROLS, UH, THAT THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED TO BE INSTALLED IN AIR DUCT SYSTEMS AND NOT PER, AND THOSE CONTROLS, UM, SHALL NOT BE INSTALLED THROUGH FIRE DAMPERS, SMOKE DAMPERS OR FIRE SMOKE DAMPERS OR CEILING DAMPERS.
I'M SORRY, CAN I, THERE'S ONE QUESTION.
ALTERNATIVE METHODS FOR DETERMINING FIRE PROTECTION RATINGS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY REMOVED ONE.
UM, DID WE, WHAT WAS THE ONE THAT GOT TAKEN OUT? UH, THEY REMOVED CALCS PERFORMED IN AN APPROVED MANNER.
CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? COUNTS CALCS CALCULATIONS.
IS THAT A CALCULATIONS PERFORMED IN AN IMPROVED MANNER? SEEMS UM, LIKE THERE WAS, WHO WAS MAKING THE CALCULATION AND WHO PROVED IT? IS THAT WHY IT CAME? LIKE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WAS PERTINENT? WAS IT BEING USED OR METHODOLOGY GO? UM, 7 16 1 0.1.
SEE ON THE, UM, REASON STATEMENT 1.1, I JUST DON'T WANNA TAKE AWAY AN OPTION THAT BUILDERS IN THE CITY HAVE FOR PROVING THEIR FARM PROTECTION RATING.
YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE SOME FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERS HERE IN THE AUDIENCES.
IS THERE ANY, DOES IS THIS JUST A CLARIFICATION? DOES IT MEAN ANYTHING? I MEAN, SO THIS SECTION SAYS THAT THE REQUIRED FIRE RESISTANCE OF AN OPENING PROTECTIVE SHALL BE PERMITTED TO BE ESTABLISHED BY ANY OF THOSE FOLLOWING METHODS.
UM, ALTERNATIVE METHODS IS STILL THERE.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL UTILIZES REGULARLY TO SAY, UM, HEY, WE HERE WE HAVE ALL OF OUR, UM, DOCUMENTS OR CALCULATIONS TO SHOW THAT THIS ALTERNATIVE METHOD IS EQUIVALENT TO OR BETTER THAN.
SO CRYSTAL, THAT WOULD BE THE CMR PROCESS.
SO BASICALLY THEY'RE KIND OF TAKING IT FROM THE PRESCRIPTIVE, HERE'S HOW YOU CAN DO IT AND THAT, THAT DOES MAKE SENSE.
ONCE YOU'RE STARTING MOVING INTO CALCULATIONS AND ANALYSIS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEYOND PRESCRIPTIVE, WHICH IS WHAT THE CODE IS AND YOU'RE NOW GOING INTO PERFORMANCE BASED DESIGN AND THERE'S OTHER WAYS OF DOING THAT THAT MEET ICC APPROVAL.
OUR PROCESS IS THE CMR ROBERT HANLEY.
AND THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE METHODOLOGY FOR THE CODE, CORRECT?
I MEAN, WHAT WHAT MAY BE PERFORMED IN AN APPROVED MANNER TO ME WOULD NOT BE THE SAME AS AN APPROVED MANNER TO YOU.
THOSE, HOW THOSE CALCULATIONS ARE PERFORMED, I PROVE A LOT OF MANNERS PROBABLY.
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THEY ADDED, UH, ONE ADDITION NUMBER 10 FOR THE FIRE BLOCKING MATERIAL ALLOWANCE.SO IF YOU, THOSE TABLES IN 7 22 FOR CALCULATED FIRE RESISTANCE, THOSE ARE KIND, THOSE PRESCRIPTIVE METHODS THAT, UH, ONE THICKNESS OF 19 AND 3 32 SECONDS INCH FIRE RETURN TREATED IS EQUIVALENT TO THE FRAMES FLAME SAID PROPERTIES OF THAT ONE INCH GYP THAT'S ALSO IN THIS TABLE.
SO THEY'RE SAYING THESE, THESE ARE ALL, UM, APPROVED FIRE BLOCKING MATERIALS AND THEY ADDED ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE FOR THE HALF INCH GYP BOARD.
THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY CRYSTAL, UH, SHOULD THAT NOT BE WORDED ONE THICKNESS OF NINE 30 SECONDS INCH OR GREATER? BECAUSE, JUST A MINUTE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY A MINIMUM.
1930 SECONDS IS A MINIMUM, BUT IF YOU HAVE 20, 30 SECONDS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GREAT.
YOU'RE FINE BECAUSE IT STILL HAS LIKE, YEAH, NONE OF THOSE ITEMS SAY, UM, MINIMUM OR GREATER THAN, SO I THINK THAT'S A, A IMPLIED GIVEN.
NO OTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT WE FOUND IN CHAPTER SEVEN TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
SO WE HAVE JUST A FEW ITEMS IN CHAPTER NINE.
FOR NUMBER 30 WE ARE LOOKING AT 9 0 3 2 2 2.
AND NOW THERE ARE SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LABORATORIES INVOLVING TESTING, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES.
SO WE SAW IN CHAPTER THREE, THEY ADDED THAT TO THE B, THE GROUP B OCCUPANCY.
AND NOW HERE THE SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE USES A CRYSTAL.
THIS ROBERT HAND AGAIN, WILL THIS ALSO BE COVERED WHEN WE MEET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? UM, WE CAN GO OVER IT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME GROUP, NOT REALLY A NEED TO, UH, GO OVER IT TWICE.
THIS REQUIREMENT MAKES NO SENSE.
IF YOU PUT AUTOMATIC FIRE SPRINKLERS IN A LAB THAT DOES TESTING ON BATTERIES, THEY'RE GOING TO GO OFF ALL THE TIME.
YEAH, I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.
I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS MORE, 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE LIKE THE LITTLE SELF-CONTAINED UNITS FOR A LOT OF TESTING OF THESE SMALLER BATTERIES.
I DON'T THINK WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, I, I CANNOT SEE THEM ENVISIONING A FULL SCALE TEST.
THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A MORE ISOLATED TEST IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A REGULAR TEST LAB.
MAYBE WHAT DIVISION THREE HAS A LOT OF, SOME OF THEIR OTHER AREAS VERSUS A TEST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT IN 2 47 AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA BURN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, BUT THAT'S NOT WHY IT WAS WRITTEN.
NO, YOU'RE BRINGING UP SOME GOOD POINTS AND HAVING, BEING PROBABLY THE ONLY ENTITY THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU BRING UP SOME GOOD POINTS.
WE PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK AT THAT, UH, AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY EXCEPTIONS WE NEED TO TAKE NOW, ONCE AGAIN, THIS WOULD ONLY BE, THIS ISN'T CHAPTER 11, SO IT'S NOT REACTIVE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE I FIRE CODE THAT'S RETROACTIVE.
SO YOU ARE BUILDING A NEW ONE.
WOULD IT BE CLASSIFIED AS A B OCCUPANCY THOUGH? I MEAN, IF WE'RE, I'M NOT SURE.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT AND, AND, AND MEET WITH THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST PUT THAT ONE ON HOLD.
WE WANT TO TABLE BOTH OF THOSE.
AND JUST AS, JUST AS A GENERAL QUESTION, ISN'T, ISN'T WATER BAD FOR YES.
BATTERIES, BIG LITHIUM IRON
IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE, BUT IT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE.
IT'S NOT IF THEY'RE NOT EMERGENCY, IF IT, BUT ONCE THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, WATER'S REQUIRED, LIKE YOU HAVE TO, BUT YEAH, IF, IF THERE IS NOT EMERGENCY, YOU DON'T WANNA PUT WATER ON IT, UH, THAT DOES CREATE THE EMERGENCY.
BUT THAT IS KIND OF THE, WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ON.
AND IF YOU COULD MAKE SURE YOU SAY YOUR NAME GUYS.
UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE PERFORMING TESTING ALL OF UP ON A LOT OF THESE BATTERIES, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR A FIRE TO OCCUR.
NONE OF OUR LABORATORIES HAVE AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEMS BECAUSE THEY WOULD JUST GO OFF EVERY SINGLE DAY BECAUSE THERE'S A FIRE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING TESTING ON THESE WHERE YOU'RE EITHER DOING AN ABUSIVE TEST WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR FIRE OR YOU'RE INTENTIONALLY SETTING FIRE TO IT, WHICH WE DO ON A REGULAR BASIS, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM
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GOING OFF ON A DAILY BASIS IN OUR LABORATORIES.UH, THIS ROBERT HEALING, AGAIN, CRYSTAL, UH, TAKING WHAT KAREN IS COMMENT ABOUT, IF WE MODIFY THIS RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE THAT WOULD SHOW UP AND THAT WOULD BE JUST A CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENT TO THE LANGUAGE, UH, CHAPTER, AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUILDING CODE CHAPTER 10 AND THE FIRE CODE CHAPTER 11.
CHAPTER 11 AMENDMENTS, BUT FOR OUR PURPOSES, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH FIRE REPRESENTATIVES BEFORE WE FINALIZE THE LANGUAGE.
BUT AS BEING BROUGHT UP AS WELL, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, THIS IS SPECIFIC GROUP B AND I THINK CRYSTAL WAS KIND OF LEAN LEANING THAT AS WELL.
CRYSTAL, I MEAN, OR I'M SORRY.
UH, KAREN, DO Y'ALL ANTICIPATE OFFICES OR ANYTHING LIKE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS? OR IS IT GONNA BE A STANDALONE TEST LAB BUILDING AND NOT OFFICES WITH THE LAB AS TIED TO IT? I THINK THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR COMBINED USAGE.
SO THERE MIGHT BE A SEPARATION REQUIREMENT TO NOT HAVE TO FALL UNDER THIS SO THAT YOU KNOW, HEY, TECHNICALLY THIS IS NOT A CLASSIFIED B TEST AREA.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, BUT WE NEED TO ADD SOME EXCEPTIONS WE CAN, OR AN AMENDMENT.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK CHAPTER THREE DID IDENTIFY THAT THESE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE, OR A, B GROUP B OH, THAT'S TRUE.
THAT BRINGS, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
'CAUSE IT DOES ALLEVIATE A LOT OF OTHER CONCERNS.
SO SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE SOME REDUNDANCIES THERE, BUT ALSO I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IN MY MIND THIS MAKES SENSE.
IF IT WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF LITTLE TEST CELLS THAT IF THE FIRE EVER GETS OUTTA THAT TEST CELL, THEN YOU'RE AN EMERGENCY THAT YOU'RE NOT PREPARED FOR AND YOU DO WANT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
BUT IN A LOT OF THE TESTING THAT I KNOW THAT SOUTHWEST DOES OF, NO, IT'S A BIG OPEN FLAME.
THE WHOLE BUILDING IS BUILT AROUND THE IDEA THAT THERE'S CONSTANTLY LARGE OPEN FLAMES.
A SPRINKLER SYSTEM'S NOT REALLY NEEDED REALLY.
IT'S MORE OF A GET OUTTA THE BUILDING AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOSE IT, YOU LOSE IT.
BUT THAT'S WHY I HAVE INSURANCE.
SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE F1.
SO ANY AREA, UM, MANUFACTURING THE, THE BATTERIES OR VEHICLES UTILIZING THE BATTERIES, UH, WERE ALSO REQUIRED TO BE SPRINKLED PER 9 0 3 2 4.
AND THEN FOR THE GROUP M, SO THOSE MERCANTILE AND THEN S ONE AS WELL ALL RELATED TO THE BATTERY STORAGE AND THE M AND THE S ONE AND REPAIR GARAGES.
UH, KAREN, UH, DO WE NEED TO TABLE ALL OF THOSE UNTIL WE HAVE IT? OR WHICH, WHICH PARTICULAR ONE WOULD YOU LIKE TO? JUST THE LABORATORY ONE.
JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SO WE HAVE THAT ON RECORD.
SO 9 0 3, 2 4 FOR GROUP F1, THEY ADDED THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR SPRINKLERS IN F1 USED TO MANUFACTURE THE BATTERIES AND VEHICLES, ENERGY STORAGE CHI SYSTEMS OR THE EQUIPMENT CONTAINING THESE BATTERIES, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THAT F1 OCCUPANCY.
ON THIS, ON THE TWO POINT, THIS MARK, ALSO THE 2.4.
SO IF NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FIVE, THERE IS NO SIZE REQUIREMENT.
SO IF IT'S YOUR INSTALL THE BATTERIES IN A MANUFACTURING PROCESS AND ALL YOU DO IS BUILD ONE VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMEBODY DOES IT, YOU KNOW, DOES UH, REHAB A VEHICLE OR MODIFICATION OF VEHICLE WHERE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MANUFACTURING PROCESS? WOULD THAT, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT LIKE A CAR REPAIR SHOP OR A, A CAR REPAIR SHOP IS AN S ONE.
SO THIS WOULD BE JUST F1 IS MANUFACTURING.
SO IF YOUR ENTIRE FACILITY IS IDENTIFIED, OR IF THAT OCCU, IF, IF IT'S IDENTIFIED AS AN F1 OCCUPANCY WHERE YOU MANUFACTURE BATTERIES, IT'S REQUIRED TO BE SPRINKLED OR YOU MANUFACTURE VEHICLES UTILIZING THESE BATTERIES OR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS OR EQUIPMENT CONTAINING THESE BATTERIES.
THIS AGAIN IS FOR F ONES MANUFACTURING, IF IT'S AN F1, IF YOU ARE MANUFACTURING CARS.
AND I WOULD SAY, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
GERMAN, MCDONALD, DSTI, I THINK IF THERE IS THESE ONE-OFFS, THAT'S WHERE THE CMR PROCESS WOULD COME IN.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, HEY, I HAVE A VERY UNIQUE SCENARIO.
I'M GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THIS F1, I'M, YOU KNOW, CAN FIND
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OTHER THINGS.AND THEN 9 0 3 2 7 3, THAT'S FOR GROUP M.
SO MERCANTILES SAYS THAT THE SPRINKLERS ARE REQUIRED IN THE ROOM OR SPACE WHERE YOU'RE STORING THE BATTERIES.
AND THEN FOR THE S ONE, THAT 9 0 3 2 9, THAT'S AGAIN FOR, UM, BATTERY STORAGE OVER 500 SQUARE FEET.
I'M SORRY, THE LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL POWERED VEHICLES.
OH, THERE IT'S PLACE ON THE LOCK VERSUS IN THE SHOP.
SO WOULD, WOULD THAT ONE APPLY TO AN OPEN AIR GARAGE, A PARKING GARAGE, AN OPEN AIR GARAGE PARKING, GAR PARKING GARAGE? UM, IS AN S ONE? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD SAY IF, IF YOU HAD AN OPEN PARKING GARAGE AT YOUR TESLA DEALERSHIP THAT STORE THREE LEVELS OF THESE CARS, THEN YES, THAT WOULD APPLY.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A, UM, UH, JUST AN OPEN PARKING GARAGE FOR ANY USE THAT WAS LESS THAN 12,000 SQUARE FEET, WE WOULDN'T SAY, OKAY, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO STORE, YOU KNOW, FIVE, FIVE VEHICLES.
IT, IT WOULD BE MORE THE GENERAL, I'M, I'M, I'M THINKING, UM, AN APARTMENT WITH AN OPEN AIR GARAGE DOING A PROJECT IN AUSTIN WHERE THERE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLE PARKING SPACES AT SOME POINT.
DOES THAT BECOME STORAGE OF THAT'S WHAT QUESTION? YEAH, THAT PARKING GARAGE ARE ALWAYS STORAGE.
WE WOULD JUST LOOK THAT AT THAT AS AN REGULAR S ONE AS A PARKING GARAGE.
SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE, IF IT'S MORE THAN 12,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S WHEN THE SPRINKLER REQUIREMENT WOULD KICK IN FOR THE PARKING GARAGE.
SO, SO SAY A CAR DEALERSHIP, YOU HAVE THESE MODEL COLORED CAR DEALERSHIPS AROUND SAN ANTONIO THAT ARE CANOPIED AND THEY MAY BE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT AREAS.
DO YOU CONSIDER THAT INDIVIDUALLY OR THEY HAVE TO BE CONTINUOUS OR HOW WOULD THAT BE? 'CAUSE IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MORE AND MORE SAY ELECTRIC CARS, ARE THEY THEN GOING TO BE CLASSIFIED DIFFERENTLY? OUTDOOR STORAGE WITH CANOPIES? YEAH.
IT'S LIKE THE CHABO PARKING LOT OUT HERE.
BIG SUN IS DOING IT ALL OVER THE CITY.
THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S JUST A SHADE STRUCTURE THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A, UH, A BUILDING WITH A, A STORAGE CLASSIFICATION.
SO JUST A REGULAR BODY SHOP, IS THAT ALREADY AN S ONE? THAT'S ALREADY AN S ONE? MM-HMM.
SO THIS DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING FOR RIGHT.
REPAIR GARAGE, WHETHER IT'S MOTORIZED OR BATTERY POWERED VEHICLES IS AN S ONE.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE M1 WITH THE BATTERIES? SO IF YOU HAVE A BATTERY STORE IN IT, WHICH WOULD BE AN M OCCUPANCY, CORRECT? YEAH.
I CAN'T HEAR YOU, MIKE, ON YOUR, UH, MARK ON THAT, THE BATTERY PLUS STORE WOULD BE AN M OCCUPANCY.
AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A SPRINKLER BUILDING? CORRECT.
WITH THIS NEW REQUIREMENT? UM, WE'D HAVE TO GO TO THE IFC FOR THAT.
SO THIS IS REFERENCING THE CHAPTER THREE OF THE IFC.
AS I KIND OF MENTIONED, THAT'S THE NEW SECTION THAT THEY CREATED FOR THE STORAGE OF ENERGY SYSTEMS. UM, A LOT OF THAT HAS THE EXCEPTIONS FOR PACKAGED MATERIALS.
SO IF THE BATTERY IS PROTE PACKAGED, UM, IF IT'S THREE 20, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING MANUFACTURED, IF IT'S SET UP LIKE THAT, THEN IT MEETS AN EXCEPTION.
SO I THINK IN THAT SCENARIO IT WOULD MEET THE EXCEPTION OF THAT CHAPTER THREE 20.
CAN WE JUST MAKE A NOTE TO REACH OUT
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TO IF THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF ASSOCIATION FOR THAT ROOF TYPE TO JUST GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THIS BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF CENTERS AROUND TOWN WHERE THEY HAVE THESE LOCATIONS AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BECOMING MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT AS EVERYTHING IN YOUR HOUSE AND THAT HAS A DIFFERENT LITTLE BATTERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT NECESSITY.AND THEY'RE ALL WITHIN BATTERIES NOW.
AND SO DEPENDING ON HOW IT IS INTERPRETED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GO IN WHOLE AREAS OF THE CITY.
SO JASMINE, JASMINE BROUGHT UP SECTION THREE 20 OF THE, UM, IFC AS JEREMY HAD MENTIONED, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.
UM, NUMBER THREE, IF THEY'RE IN THE ORIGINAL RETAIL PACKAGING RATED NOT MORE THAN 300 WATTS PER HOUR, THERE'S NUMEROUS EXCEPTIONS WHERE, WHICH WOULD IDENTIFY THOSE SPECIFIC RETAIL ITEMS LIKE STORING OF CAR BATTERIES AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SELLING.
THEY'RE SELLING BOAT BATTERIES, CAR BATTERIES, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
WHICH MEANS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, A GOOD CHUNK OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO THAT'S NOT IN A BRAND NEW BUILDING THAT'S SPRINGWATER.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE INTENT OF THESE EXCEPTION IS ANYTHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A FINALIZED PRODUCT AND IT'S BEING STORED AS IT WAS MANUFACTURED, THEN IT'S EXEMPT FROM THIS SECTION.
A LOT OF THE CATALYST FROM THIS NEW SECTION WAS MORE OF THE RECYCLING OF ENERGY STORAGE.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE TOWS TAKE A VERY LONG TIME TO PROCESS.
UH, SO THIS THREE OR FOUR YEAR PROCESS IS EVEN BEHIND THAT.
UH, SO THEY'VE TRIED TO MORPH THIS A LITTLE BIT INTO THE STORAGE OF NON-RECYCLABLE AS WELL AS, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO EXEMPT A LOT OF THIS STUFF THAT'S SAYING, LOOK, THESE PRACTICES HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
WE'RE NOT SEEING THE FIRES HERE.
THE FIRES ARE FROM ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS THAT ARE BEING USED CONSTANTLY.
MOST OF THE TIME IT'S, IT'S NOT THERE UNLESS IT'S THE RECYCLED SIGN AS WELL.
UH, BUT, BUT A LOT OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS COVER WHAT, UH, MARK'S BRINGING UP.
BUT WE CAN LOOK THROUGH THAT, RESEARCH IT AND MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING'S BEING CAUGHT UP.
AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING THOSE KIND OF USES IN RETAIL BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS GONNA BE A BIG DEAL.
I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT IS AUTO ZONE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S MORE BUSINESSES THAN YOU THINK IT IS BECAUSE AS THAT THINGS GO MORE AND MORE TO LITHIUM BATTERIES.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY STORE THE ENERGY MORE EFFICIENTLY AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS LITHIUM BATTERY NOW.
I MEAN, WOULD THIS APPLY TO LIKE THE AIRPORT WHERE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE SECTION OF LITHIUM BATTERIES THAT THEY SELL? SO I THINK WE JUST NEED BEFORE WE GO THROUGH CORRECT.
TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE USES THAT ARE CURRENT THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT COVERED OR ACCEPT IT OUT EITHER IN THE CODE ITSELF OR BY AMENDMENT.
YEAH, NO, AND WHEN WE REACH THE IFC AND WE LOOK AT THIS SECTION, WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT COVERED AND KIND OF ADDRESS THAT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CONCERNS OF, OF WHERE IT'S MISSED.
BUT, UH, FROM OUR INITIAL TAKE ON IT, IF WE BELIEVE ALL OF THOSE AREAS ARE COVERED WITH THOSE EXCEPTIONS.
IS THAT THE LAST ONE, CRYSTAL? YES, THAT WAS THE LAST ONE.
WE WERE GONNA LEAD THE REST OF CHAPTER NINE FOR THE, UM, IFC REVIEW.
UM, WE THOUGHT THESE WERE JUST SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE BUILDING REVIEWERS ARE TYPICALLY LOOKING FOR AND KIND OF OVERALL HIGH LEVEL ITEMS. BUT, UM, THAT IS ALL, ALL THAT WE HAVE.
SO BRIAN, THIS, THIS IS MIKE RUS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ACTION, I'M STARTING TO SLOW THIS DOWN.
SO TYPICALLY WE DON'T ADOPT ANY APPENDICES AT ALL.
AND THEN THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR DEFAULT IS THAT WE DON'T ADOPT ANY, ANY APPENDICES.
NO, ACTUALLY WE DO ADOPT A COUPLE FOR THE BUILDING CODE THAT WAS JUST APPENDIX, APPENDIX H FOR THE BUILDING CODE.
BUT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT APPENDIX P.
KIND OF JUMPING THE GUN THERE, MIKE, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
SO, UM, WE WILL BE LOOKING TO PROPOSE TO ADOPT APPENDIX PI THINK THAT'S SLEEPING LOFTS.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THE DEAL WITH SLEEPING LOFTS? SO IT ADDS SOME, UM, SOME OPTIONS, LESS RESTRICTIONS ON THE, THE STAIRS AND CEILING HEIGHTS AND THOSE ITEMS FOR SLEEPING LOFT THAT YOU MAY SEE, UM, IN A, UM, A TINY HOME OR MAYBE A SMALL, SMALL HOUSE, AIRBNB, UH, EVEN A APARTMENT WITH LITTLE, WITH A LOFT.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SO THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE
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MOVING FORWARD.SO WE ARE TABLING NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER 11, NUMBER 12, AND NUMBER 30.
IS THAT CORRECT, CRYSTAL? THAT IS WHAT I SHOW.
SO, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR ADOPTING THAT APPENDIX.
UM, BECAUSE, SO I GUESS I'LL JUST SAY THIS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT STREAMLINING PROCESSES, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY CRISIS, THAT THE, THAT'S IN THE COUNTRY.
AND I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER, UM, APPENDIX N NOVEMBER, UM, THE REPLICABLE BUILDINGS ONE, I THINK THAT'S WORTH US LOOKING AT AT SOME POINT, UM, IF THAT'S A WAY TO STREAMLINE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, AND I'D ALSO ASK IS, IS THERE, WHAT IS THE CITY'S, UH, POSITION OR PROCESS FOR, UH, MODULAR CONSTRUCTION OF, OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS? IS THERE A PROCESS, UH, FOR INSPECTIONS? HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS, UH, WE SEE THIS A LOT WITH THE HOSPITALS.
UM, SO HEAD WALLS, MANUFACTURING THAT OFFSITE AND BRINGING IT IN.
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? OR ARE YOU THINKING MORE HOLISTIC OF AN ENTIRE BUILDING? YES.
BEING DROPPED IN, I WAS, UH, IN, IN ANOTHER STATE AND, UM, THEY WERE BUILDING, UH, AS EITHER A HOTEL OR, OR A CONDO.
AND IT, THEY WERE JUST, THEY TRUCKED IN, IT LOOKED LIKE CONTAINERS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY WERE, THEY WERE MANUFACTURED IN, IN A, IN A WAREHOUSE AND THEY CRANED IT UP THERE AND IT WAS A, THEY HAD THE FURNITURE IN IT ALL ALREADY AND EVERYTHING.
UM, AND THEY JUST KIND OF BUILT IT LIKE A, LIKE A, YEAH, SIMILAR TO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO AS I MENTIONED, THE HEAD WALLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE, WE SEE SOME OF THAT ON DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY THE BIGGER BUILDINGS.
LIKE HOSPITALS ARE KIND OF THE, THE FRONT LINE OF THAT.
THERE'S DIFFERENT PROCESSES FOR THAT.
UM, SOMETIMES THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS ALREADY APPROVED THAT AND IT'S STAMPED AND SEALED.
SO WHAT WE SAW WAS TDLR TEXAS, UM, LICENSING FOR OVERSEES THAT PROCESS AND GIVES THEM CERTIFICATION SAYING, HEY, THIS HEAD WALL HAS BEEN APPROVED.
AND THEN THEY BRING THAT IN AND IT'S STAMPED AND SEALED BY THEM.
AND WE, AND, AND IT'S THE SAME THING AS IF IT WAS A MANUFACTURED TRAILER OR HOME, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, HEY, A THIRD PARTY OR A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION IS OVERSEEING THAT PROCESS.
UM, AND WE, THE CODES DO ADDRESS THAT, UH, TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LISTED ASSEMBLY, UM, THAT COULD BE THE FULL THING, COULD GET FULLY LISTED AND APPROVED AND THEY HAVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE TO KIND OF OVERSEE THAT.
SO IF THOSE ARE ALL IN PLACE, THEN THAT'S A LOT EASIER.
NOW, SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
SOMETIMES WE DO GET, HEY, NO, WE ARE MANUFACTURING OVER HERE AND WE WORK WITH THEM.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT A HARD AND FAST RULE.
WE KINDA LOOK AT IT IF IT'S FOR A VERY SPECIFIC JOB AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND IT'S WITHIN REASON.
WE'VE TRAVELED TO HOUSTON, TO AUSTIN, UH, TO KIND OF DO SOME INSPECTIONS.
ONCE WE SEE THE INITIAL, USUALLY WE CAN GO TO THE RVS AND BE LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO SOME FOLLOW UP, OR, HEY, LEAVE THIS WALL OFF SO WE CAN ACTUALLY INSPECT IT ON SITE, UH, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE 'CAUSE WE DO AGREE THAT THE MODULAR APPROACH, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BEAT THE HEAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, HEY, IF I CAN BUILD A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF INSIDE OF AIR CONDITIONED MANUFACTURING, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S EASIER ON THE TECHNICIANS, BUT IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
UH, SO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT AND FIND WAYS TO DO THAT.
UH, SO THE EASIEST IS YES, IF YOU HAVE A LISTED ASSEMBLY, UH, THROUGH SOME OTHER ORGANIZATION THAT, THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE ADOPTED CODES.
WE JUST SAY, OKAY, YEAH, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
THIS OTHER AGENCY HAS, WHEN IT COMES IN, WE JUST GETTING A PERMIT TO TIE IN THE SEWER, THE ELECTRICAL, THE, THE WATER, UH, ANY INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE STUFF.
UM, IF IT'S A TOTALLY BRAND NEW BUILDING STANDALONE, THEN ONCE AGAIN IT WOULD JUST BE, HEY, GIMME SOME TRADE PERMITS.
AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT TO THAT POINT, UH, FROM THERE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE N 1 0 5 0.1 IS SAYING IS THAT THAT DESIGN SHALL BE REVIEWED BY AN APPROVED AGENCY.
LIKE A-T-D-L-R OR, OR EVEN, YEAH.
SO, SO I READ N AS BEING MORE ABOUT IF I AM A, UH, AN APARTMENT HOUSE BUILDER AND I HAVE ONE SET OF PLANS THAT I'M JUST GONNA USE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN, THE APPROVAL PROCESS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT I, I COULD STA STAND 'EM AND CALL IT GOOD.
WE HAVE A PROTOTYPE TYPE DESIGN THAT WE UTILIZE, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU'RE COMING IN WITH A NEW SUBDIVISION AND YOU ONLY HAVE FIVE FLOOR PLANS.
YOU CAN SUBMIT THOSE AS PROTOTYPES.
WE REVIEW THE BOX, UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU GO AND PLACE IT ON THE SITE, THEN WE REVIEW THE SITE SPECIFIC ITEMS AND THE BOX IS ALREADY APPROVED.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING THAT, WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT WITH LIKE LOWE'S BEFORE, RIGHT? IT'S JUST A BIG BOX.
UM, BUT IT WASN'T, UH, THEY HAD SO MANY REVISIONS TO EACH SITE THAT IT, IT WAS, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THEM ANYMORE.
SO THEY, THEY STOPPED DOING IT.
UM, SO WE DON'T NEED TO, UH, LOOK AT THAT APPENDIX TO, IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE CITY TO, AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST ABOUT STREAMLINING PROCESS AND MAKING THE, YOU KNOW, THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, IF NOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT PROCEED BREAKING GROUND ON A, ON A PROJECT A LITTLE LESS.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
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LIKE A PROTOTYPE, LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GONNA REPLICATE THIS BUILDING NUMEROUS TIMES, OR IT'S, IT'S PRE-MANUFACTURED.I WAS THINKING PROTOTYPE IS WHAT I WAS OH, OKAY.
CRYSTAL, MS. UH, LEWIS WAS, UH, IF YOU DO HAVE A PROTOTYPE THAT'S BEEN APPROVED, BUT YOU'RE, UH, IN TRANSITION OF CODE CHANGE, YOU HAVE TO RESUBMIT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, IT QUALIFIES UNDER THE NEW CODE.
UM, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANNA TO, UH, BRING IN AFTER THAT, THAT DEADLINE FOR THE CODE CHANGE? YEAH.
BUT AS YOU SEE, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT REALLY SOME THAT MANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES OF THE LITHIUM UNLESS YOU'RE DOING LITHIUM ION BATTERIES.
YOU CAN CONTINUE WITH, UM, WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND, AND I THINK THAT WE MENTIONED IT BEFORE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE STAYING WITH THE 2021 ENERGY CODE.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF YOUR, UH, CHANGES TO A PROTOTYPE.
UM, BUT FOR THE, THE STRUCTURE, THE BOX, WE'RE NOT SEEING A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES THAT WOULD IMPACT FROM THE 21 TO THE 24.
CRYSTAL, DO WE NEED TO ALSO, JUST REAL QUICKLY ON THE ENERGY, DO WE HAVE TO, ARE WE JUST KEEPING WHAT WE HAD BEFORE WITH THE AMENDMENT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO READ? YEAH, YEAH.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT A FEW THINGS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT OKAY, ONCE YOU OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS, EVEN IF IT'S, HEY, WE'RE GONNA STAY UNDER 24 1, BUT WE WANT TO REAM YOU, WE JUST WANT TO DO WITH THE CITY WHAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED.
AND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE, CORRECT.
UH, THIS IS ROBERT HELEY, JEREMY PLUS, BEFORE WE CAN ADOPT A NEW ENERGY CODE, DON'T WE NEED TO GET THE BLESSING FROM TEXAS ENERGY LABS OUTTA A AND M BY STATE LAW? I DON'T THINK SO.
I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE CAN'T, UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME LIMITATIONS ON EXCEEDING OUR, UH, BEING LESS THAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT AS WE'VE SEEN, ENERGY CODE DOESN'T GET LESS THAN WITH EACH ITERATION.
IT, IT'S ONLY GETTING MORE STRICT.
SO, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? I MEAN, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO, IF Y'ALL WANNA TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WHICH Y'ALL DISCUSSED, UH, THEN YOU CAN DO THAT.
UH, TYPICALLY WHAT THE PHRASING WOULD WAS, IS MOTION TO APPROVE WHAT, DO I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE ON WHAT WE'VE COVERED FROM THE BOARD THEN OTHER THAN THE ITEMS THAT I CLARIFIED EARLIER THAT ARE BEING TABLED? CAN I GET A MOTION TO PASS? ROBERT HANLEY? SO MOVED.
CAN I GET A SECOND? CORY PALMER SECOND.
SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? CAN WE GO TO THE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY NEGATIVES? THE AYES PASS THERE.
UH, JUST A REAL QUICK SUMMARY.
UH, I'M GONNA PUT THIS UP ON EACH OF THE MEETINGS SO THAT THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING ONLINE OR UH, GO BACK AND WATCH ANY OF THE RECORDINGS IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THIS PROCESS, SAN ANTONIO.GOV, OUR DST WEBSITE, UM, THE SAN ANTONIO SPEAK UP.COM SPECIFIC WEBSITE FOR THIS CODE ADOPTION PROCESS.
UH, THEY CAN USE THAT, THAT LINK, THAT UR CODE THERE.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY THEY CAN REACH OUT TO US AT ANY TIME, UH, FOR BUILDING CODE UPDATES@SANANTONIO.GOV.
UH, SO WE ARE MEETING AGAIN WITH THIS SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING ON THURSDAY AT 9:00 AM HERE IN THE SAME BOARDROOM.
I BELIEVE I'VE TALKED TO EVERYBODY.
WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, QUORUM FOR THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE.
UH, WE'LL GET YOU THE, THE PROPOSED ITEMS, UH, AS SOON AS WE CAN.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE Y'ALL NEED FROM US PRIOR TO THAT MEETING CHANGE? WHAT ARE WE DOING NEXT MEETING? UM, CONTINUING THE CHAPTER 10, OR I'M SORRY, MOVING INTO CHAPTER 10.
AND THEN THE REST OF THE IBCI THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE, WE'LL, PROBABLY, OR CRYSTAL'S A TECHNICAL ON THIS ONE, SO I'M NOT SURE.
UH, WERE YOU GONNA SAY GOOD CHANCE THAT WE'LL WRAP IT UP? YEAH, NEXT MEETING? YEAH.
UM, WE HIT A LOT OF THE, THE BIG CHANGES ALREADY.
UM, SO CHAPTER 10, THERE'LL BE A FEW, UH, BUT AFTER THAT IT'S NOT TOO MANY.
AND WE'LL, SO THEN WE'LL TALK WITH FIRE AND SEE IF THEY'RE READY.
WE'RE STILL DOING THE INTERNAL REVIEW WITH FIRE, BUT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THAT ONE.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA IMMEDIATELY START IN TWO WEEKS, BUT WE KINDA HAD IT ON THE AGENDA THAT I-B-C-I-F-C WAS THE POTENTIAL IF WE WILL GET COPIES OF THIS BEFORE.
SO WHAT I'LL DO, YOU KNOW, I I, I ADDED THAT TO THE MEETING INVITE 'CAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT THAT WOULD WORK AND IT'S THERE.
BUT WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA DO BOTH.
I'LL, I'LL AS SOON AS I HAVE THAT, SO THE MEETING INVITES ARE ALREADY OUT THERE, I WILL ADD THE AGENDA ONCE IT'S POSTED AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND START WORKING ON THE, GETTING THE AGENDA POSTED THIS AFTERNOON, UH, TO, UH, SA SPEAKUP AND PRIME GOV, WHICH IS OUR FORMALITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING ALL THE, THE OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY.
UM, AND ALSO THE, UH, ITEMS THAT WE GET FROM CRYSTAL.
UM, ONCE SHE HAS THOSE READY TO GO, I WILL EMAIL THOSE OUT TO Y'ALL AS WELL AS ADD THEM TO THE, UH, TO THE ACTUAL, UH, MEETING INVITES.
SO YOU'LL HAVE 'EM AT BOTH LOCATIONS, BUT UH, THAT WAY WHOEVER UTILIZES WHICH OTHER OPTION, UH, YOU HAVE THAT.
AND WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IF WE CAN JUST SEND THE MESSAGE THAT WE LIKE THE STUFF, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A WEEK OR MORE IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT.
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STUFF USUALLY IS THE STUFF THAT TAKES MOST TIME, THE MOST TIME.AND YOU NEED TO BE MORE EDUCATED BECAUSE IT HAS A WHOLE LOT OF IMPLICATIONS.
AND DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, IF, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY MAKE EVERY EFFORT FOR THAT AS ALWAYS.
UH, BUT YEAH, IF WE GET TO A POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS A STICK, YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY WILL HOLD IT OFF.
WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THREE, MAYBE FOUR MEETINGS FOR THE IFC PLUS THE WRAP UP MEETING, UH, TOWARDS THE END.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT COME UP.
CO DETECTION IS, UH, SOME ITEMS THAT ARE GETTING ADDRESSED, UH, UNDER THIS THAT, UH, DO HAVE RAMIFICATIONS FOR BOTH NEW AND REMODEL, UH, UNDER CHAPTER 11.
SO CHAPTER 11 OF THE FIRE CODE IS A RETROACTIVE, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE SAW THE SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR HIGH RISES IN A TWOS WHERE IT'S LIKE, EVEN IF YOU'RE AN EXISTING OCCUPANCY, THIS NEEDS TO TAKE, TAKE EFFECT.
SO THERE ARE SOME CO STUFF THERE I'M SURE WILL HAVE, UH, SOME SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSIONS.
IT MIGHT BE, HEY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, MAYBE TABLE SOME STUFF.
YOU BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS, UH, ON THE CONVERSATION MARK ABOUT MAKING SURE WE'RE REACHING OUT TO ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND GETTING SOME BUY-IN FROM THAT.
SO IT MIGHT BE A FOLLOW UP A FEW WEEKS LATER, MAYBE MOVE TO THE IRC AND THEN COME BACK TO THAT.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF ADDRESS THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
ALRIGHT, WERE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UH, IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN ROBERT HENLEY MOVE FOR ADJOURNMENT A SECOND.