* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] WELL, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. [9:00 AM – Call to Order] I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FOR SEPTEMBER THE 20TH AT 9:07 AM OKAY. GO AHEAD AND DO ROLL CALL DAVIS FLORES. PRESENT GARCIA. HERE, REGARD ZER PRESENT FULLERTON. HERE. POLL VASQUEZ PRESENT AND VEDA PRESENT. WE HAVE, WE HAVE A QUORUM TRANSLATION SERVICES. GOOD MORNING INTERPRET. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD. MY STATEMENT. THE COMPLIANCE AND TECH TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JUANITA PUL, THE CHAIRWOMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JASON VASQUEZ. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTY IN HISTORICAL DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED, UH, DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANY PRESENT, IF ANY PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION IN ANY ITEM TODAY AGENDAS, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF ORAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSE FOR A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES STAFF. WELL, GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. UM, I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT, BE BIT BEHIND BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC IN I 10, AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. UM, I THINK ONE OF OUR APPLICANTS IS STUCK IN THAT SAME TRAFFIC. SO I'M GONNA STALL A LITTLE BIT AND, UM, HIGHLIGHT AN UPCOMING TRAINING THAT OHP IS HOSTING. UM, EDWARD, IF YOU CAN GET THAT FLYER ON THE SCREEN FOR US. UM, THIS IS HANDS-ON DECONSTRUCTION CERTIFIED CONTRACTOR TRAINING. UM, THAT'LL BE HAPPENING NEXT MONTH. UM, THERE'LL BE A COUPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONTRACTORS THAT ARE LICENSED WITH THE CITY TO GAIN THIS HANDS-ON TRAINING. UM, COHORT ONE IS OCTOBER 7TH THROUGH 11TH AND COHORT TWO IS OCTOBER 14TH THROUGH THE 18TH. UM, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS TRAINING AND REGISTRATION IS ON SA REUSE.COM. UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A REQUIRED CERTIFICATION IF YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO PULL A DEMOLITION PERMIT THAT INVOLVES DECONSTRUCTION. AND AS A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY, THE DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR, UM, ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW, AND WE'LL EXPAND AT THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR. UM, SO THERE'LL BE A LARGER INFLUX OF DEMO DEMOLITION PERMITS THAT INVOLVE DECONSTRUCTION. UM, AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR, UH, WORKFORCE READY, UH, TO HANDLE THOSE. AND SO AGAIN, SA REUSE.COM FOR MORE INFORMATION. UM, AT THIS TIME, WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 23RD. ADAM, CHAIR, GO AHEAD, SIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST MEETING. OKAY. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST MEETING AS DISTRIBUTED. AND A SECOND AT THIS TIME, I'D [00:05:01] LIKE TO TAKE A ROLL CALL FLORES. AYE. GARCIA? AYE. SETZER? AYE. FULLERTON? AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. VELA? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, THEN I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT SOME UPDATES TO THE AGENDA THAT HAPPENED JUST THIS MORNING. SO ITEMS FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX HAVE ALL BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT'S AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN-PERSON, SPEAKER SIGNUPS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THOSE. UM, SO JUST TO NOTE THAT THIS WILL BE HEARD OF THE NEXT, UH, HEARING IN, UM, OCTOBER. UM, SO AT THIS TIME, [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] UH, WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S JUST ONE ITEM. UH, THERE'S ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT, UH, IN THE, UH, IN YOUR FOLDERS AND NO VOICEMAILS. MADAM CHAIR, GO AHEAD, SIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, UM, NUMBER 1, 1 24 ADAM STREET. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT THE 1 24 ADAMS. AND A SECOND. I'D LIKE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. FLORES. AYE. GARCIA? AYE. SETZER AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. AND SUPPLE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 24 ADAMS, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU AT THE 10 DAYS. UH, AND COMMISSIONERS, UH, SINCE THE APPLICANT FOR TWO 50, QUENTIN ISN'T HERE [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] YET, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, WHICH IS 2 75 WEST MANDALAY DRIVE. UH, AND WE WILL REVIEW THAT ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 0 3 2 7 5 WEST MANDALAY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 11 HISTORIC DIVIDED LIGHTS, STEEL, CASEMENT, WINDOWS, AND ONE NON HISTORIC WINDOW UNIT WITH A VINYL WINDOW. PRODUCT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH A VINYL WINDOW PRODUCT BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE, THAT THE WINDOWS EITHER BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED WITH THE PRODUCT. THEY MAINTAINS A SIMILAR APPEARANCE AND PROFILE IE ALUMINUM OR STEEL CASEMENT. IF THE C TAB FEELS COMPELLED TO APPROVE A SASH WINDOW PRODUCT, THEN STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION BE APPLIED. INSTALL ONE OVER ONE FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM WOOD WINDOWS, OR SIX OVER SIX FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WINDOWS WITH TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS FEATURING REAL MOUNTAINS. THESE WINDOWS MUST MEET THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT. AND WE DO HAVE APPLICANT PHILLIP BATES WITH US HERE TODAY. HELLO. IS THAT WORKING? YEAH, . HI, MY NAME'S PHILIP BATES. UM, I'M HERE AS CAITLYN DESCRIBED . SO DO I, DO I DO YOU WANT? OKAY. SO, UM, I MOVED TO SAN ANTONIO IN 2017 AND BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AT 2 75 WEST MANDALAY DRIVE, UH, AT THE END OF 2017. AND IT'S, UH, AN OLD, THERE IT IS. UM, AND, UM, WHEN I BOUGHT IT, UM, I KNEW THAT IT NEEDED QUITE A BIT OF WORK AND I'VE SPENT ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ABOVE THE PRICE. I PAID FOR IT SINCE THAT TIME. MOSTLY, UM, REMODELING THE INTERIOR, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE I NEEDED ANY CERTIFICATES FOR, BUT I'VE ALSO REPLACED THE ROOF, INCLUDING SOLAR, UM, SHINGLES, WHICH I WENT THROUGH ALL THE RIGHT CHANNELS, GOT APPROVAL FOR, AND ALSO HAD, UM, I DON'T KNOW, AT LEAST 20, $25,000 WORK DONE ON THE FOUNDATIONS. UM, WHICH EVERY SAN ANTONIO UNDERSTANDS, I BELIEVE. UM, SO YEAH, I'VE DONE MY BEST TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY. UM, I'VE IMPROVED IT AS THE SOLAR PANELS. AS YOU SEE, THEY, THEY'RE SOLAR SHINGLES. THEY'RE MUCH LESS OBTRUSIVE [00:10:01] THAN NORMAL SOLAR PANELS, I BELIEVE, EVEN THOUGH I WAS TOLD I DID NOT NEED APPROVAL TO PUT THEM ON JUST TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF THE ROOF. ANYWAY, SO I, I THINK I'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT I'VE, YOU KNOW, ATTEMPTED OR COMPLIED WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PRESERVATION SOCIETY AND THE MAINTAINED THE APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE. BUT WHEN I GOT THERE, I NOTICED THE WINDOWS STRAIGHT AWAY. THEY'RE STILL FRAMED. YOU CAN SEE THEM TO MY EYE. THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE I MOVED IN. THEY STILL , THEY'RE STILL BENT RUSTY. UM, SOME OF THEM DON'T CLOSE PROPERLY. MOST OF THEM YOU CAN'T OPEN OR CLOSE THE, THE CASEMENT. SOME OF THEM, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, UM, BASICALLY CORKED SHUT. SO YOU, YOU KNOW, HE MADE SURE THAT YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY MOVE. AND, AND THIS IS TYPICAL OF THE RUST THAT YOU CAN SEE. AND, AND IT WAS LIKE THAT WHEN I GOT THE PLACE, UM, . AND IN MY OPINION, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS REPAIRABLE IN, IN IT. I THINK ALL YOU COULD DO IS STRIP BACK ALL THE PAINT, TRY AND SCRAPE OFF THE RUST, APPLY RUSTOLEUM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DO IT IN PLACE, AND THEN PAINT OVER IT. THAT'S THE ACHIEVABLE THING THAT YOU COULD DO IF YOU WANTED TO ACTUALLY REPAIR THEM, I BELIEVE. UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE WINDOWS, REMOVE ALL THE GLASS, AND ANDRE THEM, AND WHICH IS PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE. NOW, I DID FIND A MANUFACTURER OF STEEL FRAME WINDOWS, AND THERE AREN'T VERY MANY OF THEM, AND HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE ME A, AN PROXIMUS QUOTE, UM, WHEN I DESCRIBED WHAT NEEDED WORK. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HE ADVERTISES, UH, WORKING ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS. SO WHEN I SAID, HONEY, WHAT ABOUT REPLACING THEM? HE, HE LAUGHED, I MEAN, SORRY, REPAIRING THEM. HE LAUGHED. HE SAID, IT IS ALWAYS FAR CHEAPER TO REPLACE WINDOWS LIKE THIS THAN IT IS TO REPAIR THEM. AND HE DID NOT KNOW OF ANYBODY WHO ACTUALLY COULD REPAIR THEM OR EVEN ATTEMPTED TO REPAIR THEM. SO THE SUGGESTION IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE DOCUMENT FROM CAITLIN ABOUT REPAIRING THE WINDOWS TO FULL WORKING, YOU KNOW, TO FULL WORKING CONDITION IS ESSENTIALLY IMPOSSIBLE. UM, AND I, WHEN WE TALKED, THAT'S WHAT I SAID, I'M AN ENGINEER AND NOT A MECHANICAL ENGINEER, BUT I'M AN ENGINEER AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF HOME RESTORATION WORK MYSELF, AND THAT'S MY OPINION. AND THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS WHO MAKES STEEL WINDOWS, UM, AFFIRM THAT POSITION. SO HE WAS ALSO KIND ENOUGH TO, TO GIVE ME A QUOTE JUST FOR THE WINDOWS BASED ON ROUGH MEASUREMENTS. AND HE QUOTED $35,000 JUST FOR THE WINDOWS WITH, UM, HE GUESSED ABOUT ANOTHER $10,000 TO GET THEM INSTALLED. SO THAT'S $45,000. UM, SO THE, THE QUOTE THAT I GOT FROM, FOR THE VINYL WINDOWS KIND OF FELL INTO MY LAP BECAUSE SOMEBODY KNOCKED ON MY DOOR, THEY WANNA SELL VINYL WINDOWS. THEY WANTED A, UM, A MODEL HOME ESSENTIALLY THAT THEY COULD SHOW THE WINDOWS, PUT A SIGN IN MY FRONT YARD, THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE SAID, HEY, HAVE I GOT A DEAL FOR YOU? UM, HERE'S MY QUOTE FOR $13,000. AT WHICH POINT I WENT, OH, I CAN AFFORD THAT . UM, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, FIX UP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FIXING, MY WINDOWS WAS NOT ON MY LIST OF THINGS I WANT TO DO IN, IN MY PRIORITY LIST UNTIL THIS OFFER KIND OF FELL INTO MY LAP. AND I THOUGHT, YEAH, 13 TO $15,000. I MEAN, I CAN POSSIBLY CHANGE THE, INSTEAD OF DOUBLE HUNG, MAYBE I CAN PUT SOME, UM, WHAT MOLTEN AND STUFF IN THE WINDOWS MAKE IT A BIT MORE EXPENSIVE. COUPLE THOUSAND MORE DOLLARS. OKAY, I CAN LOOK AT THAT. UM, $50,000 ABSOLUTELY OUTTA THE QUESTION. IT'S SOMETHING, UNLESS I WON $2 MILLION IN THE LOTTERY AND MONEY WAS NOT AN OBJECT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WOULD NEVER MAKE SENSE FINANCIALLY. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT, AND I, AND I ALSO TALKED TO A COUPLE OF MY NEIGHBORS ABOUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT, AND THEY WERE LESS THAN COMPLIMENTARY ABOUT A, A BOARD SUCH AS YOURS TELLING THEM WHAT THEY COULD AND COULDN'T DO THEIR HOUSE. BUT [00:15:01] THAT'S, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO 'EM ABOUT WHAT THEIR WINDOWS WERE MADE OF. AND I, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS HAS, UH, VINYL WINDOWS. UM, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED. AND THE, THE, THE CURRENT OWNER BOUGHT THE HOUSE LIKE THREE YEARS AGO, SO I DOUBT THAT SHE KNOWS. UM, BUT THERE'S A HOUSE ALMOST DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM ME. AND I, CAITLIN AND I WERE STANDING IN MY FRONT YARD, CLOSE TO THE ROAD LOOKING ACROSS, AND I SAID, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THOSE WINDOWS MAY BE VINYL. AND SHE LOOKED AT THEM AND SAID, OH, I, I CAN'T TELL FROM HERE. AND IT TURNS OUT THEY'RE WOOD. THEY'RE JUST STRAIGHT WOOD. I, HE WAS PUTTING OUT HIS TRASH. I DIDN'T EVER ACTUALLY TALK TO HIM BEFORE THAT DAY. AND IT GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AND SAY, HEY, WHAT ARE YOUR WINDOWS MADE OF? SO IT, THEY WOULD, BUT THE INTERESTING POINT TO ME IS STANDING IN MY FRONT YARD, LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THEM, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHAT THEY WERE MADE OF. SO, UM, AND LOOKING AT MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, THOSE WINDOWS LOOK PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. UM, SO IN TERMS OF AESTHETICS, I QUESTION, YOU KNOW, I, I I QUESTION THE AESTHETICS THING. I, OKAY, IF I, IF I WENT AND PAID $50,000, GOT THE STEEL FRAME WINDOWS, AND THIS COMPANY ADVERTISES THE FACT THEY WORK ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES, AND THE QUOTE HE GAVE ME WAS FOR WINDOWS THAT HE SAID THAT WERE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR SUCH CASES, SURE, YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL, BUT IT'S $50,000 OR $45,000. UM, WHEN I MENTIONED THE COST TO MY NEIGHBORS, THEY THROW UP THEIR HANDS. THE TYPICAL VALUE OF HOUSES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS LIKE $200,000. I DON'T BELIEVE 90% OF THE INHA, YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPANTS OF THOSE HOUSES COULD EVER AFFORD $50,000 TO REPLACE THEIR WINDOWS. SO IF I'M TOLD, OH, AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, CAITLYN SENT ME A VERY INFORMATIVE DOCUMENT WITH SOME LINKS TO, UM, REPRESENTATIVE THINGS HAD BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, AND ONE OF THEM HAD A LINK TO A COMPANY THAT PROVIDED I THINK ALUMINUM CLOUD WINDOWS. I WENT TO THE WEBSITE, I OPENED IT UP. THERE WAS A PICTURE OF A WINDOW THAT LOOKED VERY SIMILAR TO ABOUT HALF THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SLIGHTLY SMALLER, $4,000 FOR ONE WINDOW. SO AGAIN, JUST FOR THE WINDOWS 40 TO $50,000, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE UP TO $60,000 ONCE YOU'VE INSTALLED THEM. SO, SO THE MY POINT IS WITH THE VINYL WINDOWS, I APPRECIATE YOU WANNA KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I MOVED IN THERE. I REALLY LIKED THE, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT A RICH NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS ALMOST PARK TERRACE. IT'S NOT ALMOST PARK. WE'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE RAILWAY TRACK THAT RUNS THROUGH WRONG SIDE OF THE TRACKS ON THE OTHER SIDE. SURE. MILLIONAIRES VERY VALUABLE PROPERTIES ON MY SIDE, $200,000 PROPERTIES, WHICH IF THERE'S THIS RULE IS ENFORCED, AS THE RECOMMENDATION SAYS, I BELIEVE MAKES IT PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYBODY TO REPLACE THEIR WINDOWS. NOBODY'S GONNA SPEND $50,000 ON WINDOWS FOR A PROPERTY. MEAN MY PROPERTY'S MORE LIKE 300,000, BUT THE TYPICAL PROPERTY VALUE WAS AROUND $200,000. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS MY DISCUSSION WITH KAITLYN SHOWED, SHE COULDN'T TELL WHAT THE WINDOWS WERE MADE OUT OF MY, OF MY NEIGHBORS JUST BY LOOKING AT THEM. THE RECOMMENDATION FOR REPAIR, FOR REPAIR, APART FROM THE SCRAPE BACK THE WINDOW, PUT RUSTOLEUM ON AND REPAINT THEM. I THINK THE GUY BEFORE ME JUST REPAINTED THEM. THERE'S LAYERS AND LAYERS OF PAINT AS YOU CAN SEE THEM FROM THE PICTURES, AND THERE'S RUST UNDERNEATH, AND THAT DIDN'T WORK. SO I COULD DO THAT, AND THAT'S, AND IF THE RULING IT COMES BACK THAT NO, I HAVE TO GO THE $50,000 ROUTE, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I'LL DO EVENTUALLY, AND I'LL BE LEFT WITH MY SINGLE PANE WINDOWS, UM, WITH ALL THE GAPS AND CRACKS AND THINGS, AND THE, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S PRACTICALLY OUTTA THE QUESTION FOR ME TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW? AND, AND THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA ARE ALL GONNA BE, AND I MAKE [00:20:01] A LOT MORE MONEY THAN MOST OF THEM, I THINK, OR I HAVE IN THE PAST. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION SAYS. SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S MY PITCH, ESSENTIALLY. I MEAN, THIS, THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT FELL INTO MY LAP WHEN A GUY KNOCKED ON THE DOOR. UM, I KNEW ABOUT THE RULES, I THOUGHT I WOULD GET INTO THIS SITUATION, BUT WHEN I DID SOME MORE DEEPER DIGGING AND REALIZED THAT THE COST DIFFERENTIAL WAS A FACTOR OF THREE TO FIVE TIMES ROUGHLY, I HAVEN'T GOT EXACT QUOTES, BUT THAT APPEARS TO BE WHAT IT IS. IT'S FROM. OKAY, I COULD DO THIS TO, NO, THAT'S OUT OF THE QUESTION. UM, SO THAT'S MY PITCH. I, YOU KNOW, I I HOPE YOU SAY I CAN DO IT. I MEAN, I'LL TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE LOOK AND THE LOOK ANYWAY, UM, IS AS CLOSE TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW AS POSSIBLE. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP WITH CAITLIN WAS SHE KEPT MENTIONING THE WORD QUALITY. WE WANT BETTER QUALITY PRODUCTS AND VINYL. AND I THOUGHT, WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, MR. BATES, YOUR TOM HAS EXCEEDED. OKAY, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY CLARIFY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. AND CAITLYN, IF YOU COULD PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN AND KIND OF ZOOM IN. UM, WE ARE RECOGNIZING THAT THESE WINDOWS ARE LIKELY NOT REPAIRABLE. AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UM, A REPLACEMENT THAT WITHOUT BEING TOO SPECIFIC, UH, MAINTAINS A SIMILAR APPEARANCE AND PROFILE. THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AN ALUMINUM OR STEEL WINDOW. UM, THE STEEL WINDOWS THAT YOU HAD QUOTED ARE OF COURSE, AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COST, UH, ISSUE TO, UM, UH, TO CONSIDER. UM, AND SO THE COMMISSION, ACCORDING TO THE CODE, HAS THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER THE FEASIBILITY OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND MAKING ITS RECOMMENDATION. UM, WE HAVE ADDED THE LANGUAGE, IF YOU FEEL COMPELLED TO APPROVE A SASH WINDOW. UM, WE'RE STILL CONCERNED WITH IT BEING A VINYL PRODUCT. UM, AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING OUR REGULAR STIPULATIONS FOR WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WINDOWS. UM, THOSE STIPULATIONS BE INCLUDED IN THE ACTION IF THAT'S WHERE THIS GOES. UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU CONSIDER WHAT IS PROPOSED TODAY, UM, BUT WE ARE GIVING YOU SOME OPTIONS TO KIND OF PLAY WITH IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. I'LL GO AHEAD AT THIS TIME OPEN, UM, FOR QUESTIONS, AND I'LL START TO MY RIGHT IF WE HAVE ANY. YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, UM, KAITLYN, THE, UH, THE STIPULATIONS RELATIVE TO THE SASH WINDOW PRODUCT. HA, HAVE YOU VISITED WITH MR. BATES ON THAT AND TALKED ABOUT THOSE OPTIONS, OR IS THAT, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT, IF THEY'RE STILL THE SAME ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. WE SPOKE A BIT ABOUT, UM, WHAT EXISTED IN CONTEXT SURROUNDING HIS HOME, AND WE LOOKED AT SOME OPTIONS, LIKE HE MENTIONED THE, THE HOME ACROSS THE STREET. UM, WE DID NOT DELVE INTO WHAT ANY FEASIBILITY IN TERMS OF COST WOULD BE FOR THAT. THERE WAS NO COST DISCUSSED. YEAH. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO OTHER QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE RIGHT? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN DID YOU SAY YOU MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, THE END OF 2017, NOVEMBER OR SOMETHING? YEAH. SO YOU KNEW THOUGH THAT YOU WERE MOVING INTO HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, YES, IN A BROAD SENSE. HAD I READ ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS? NO. I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I, I KNEW THAT I WOULD REQUIRE PERMISSION TO DO THINGS, UM, SURE. UM, BUT I HAD NOT RESEARCHED, YOU KNOW, THE COST IMPACT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE RULE WAS MADE IN 2007 OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEN THE RULES COME IN, YOU'VE EFFECTIVELY QUADRUPLED THE PRICE OF MAINTENANCE FOR EVERYBODY WHO LIVES THERE. THAT'S MY COMMENT. I MEAN, IT, YOU DECIDED TO DO IT, BUT THAT'S A REAL IMPACT OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE. WELL, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IT, IT TAKES, UH, COMMUNITY OR NEIGHBORHOOD BUY-IN TO BECOME A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. SURE. SO IT WASN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY JUST SWEPT IN AND MADE THIS RULING, AND NOW EVERYBODY HAS TO LIVE WITH IT. SURE. UM, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WHILE I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN EMPATHIZE WITH HOW EXPENSIVE REPLACING THEM WITH ORIGINAL STEEL OR WITH MORE STEEL, HOW EXPENSIVE THAT IS BECAUSE NOBODY DOES IT ANYMORE. UM, I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH LOOKING INTO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT YOU LOOK AT EITHER, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS RE REPLACEMENTS THAT ARE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS. [00:25:01] WELL, I'VE, I'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO THAT. UM, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY QUOTES. UM, BUT I HAVE LOOKED AT REPRESENTATIVE PRICES AND AGAIN, THE WEBSITE, THE, THERE WAS A CASE STUDY AND THERE WAS A LINK TO THE WINDOWS THAT THEY USED AND A SINGLE WINDOW OF ABOUT THE SIZE OF MANY OF THE WINDOWS IN MY PLACE WAS NEARLY FOUR. IT WAS $3,950 OR SOMETHING. I HAVE 12 WINDOWS I WANNA REPLACE. THANK YOU, MR. VASQUEZ. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. UH, IT FOR CA OR STAFF? UM, SO ABOUT HOW MANY OF THE CASEMENT WINDOWS SEEMED, UM, UNREPAIRABLE, UM, IT'S STAFF'S DETERMINATION THAT THE MAYBE FOUR WERE LIKELY REPAIRABLE BEYOND REPAIR. AND I, UM, INCLUDED THAT IN THE CASE FILE BY DETAIL. UM, THE REST TO, YOU KNOW, STRIP ALL THE CAULKING, STRIP ALL THE PUTTY, STRIP ALL THE PAINT, GET ALL THE RUST OFF, WOULD BE A LARGE UNDERTAKING FOR ANYBODY, BUT POSSIBLE, EXCUSE ME, BUT POSSIBLE, YES. UM, TECHNICALLY YES, LIKELY AT A LOT OF LABOR AND EXPENSE. WELL, AND I'LL SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING IS REPAIRABLE AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BRING IN NEW MATERIALS IN ORDER TO FIX SOMETHING. AND SO OUR RULE OF THUMB IS IF YOU HAVE TO REPLACE A MAJORITY OF THE MATERIALS OF THE WINDOW, THIS IS USUALLY, UM, IN REFERENCE TO WOOD WINDOWS, BUT IT APPLIES TO STEEL AS WELL. THEN AT THAT POINT, IT BECOMES, UM, AN OPTION TO FULLY REPLACE. SO IT JUST, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. AND SIR, THIS WAS, UH, WINDOW REPLACEMENT WASN'T ON YOUR RADAR UNTIL THE GUY FROM THE VINYL WINDOW COMPANY APPEARED ON YOUR DOORSTEP. UM, REPLACED MY KITCHEN, REPLACE MY GARAGE LOOSELY TERMED , UM, WINDOW REPLACEMENT. SO IT WAS, IT WAS PROBABLY NUMBER THREE ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT I, THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. IT'S SOMETHING I'VE BEEN CONSIDERING SINCE THE DAY I MOVED IN, BUT WASN'T ON THE TOP OF MY PRIORITY. SURE. UM, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH PROCESSES OR, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF STAFF MAYBE MENTION THAT THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO LOOK IN, UM, REUSE PLACES THAT HAVE ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME WINDOWS THAT YOU COULD REPLACE WITH, UM, THAT ARE IN GREAT CONDITION. SO NONE OF MY WINDOWS ARE STANDARD SIZES. UM, SO I WOULD HAVE TO FIND WINDOWS. I, I, I ASSUME BUILT BY THE SAME BUILDER. UM, THESE ARE 83-YEAR-OLD WINDOWS. UM, I HAVEN'T DONE IT. I WOULD BE VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED, BUT VERY SURPRISED IF I COULD FIND ANYTHING THAT WAS USABLE AND, YOU KNOW, THE REPAIR THING. PLEASE TELL ME HOW I'M GONNA DO THIS OR HOW ANYBODY'S GOING TO DO IT. AGAIN, IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT THAT CAITLYN PROVIDED WITH, WITH A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WORK ON REPAIRING WINDOWS, THERE WERE A TON OF THEM. THEY ALL SAID REPAIR WOOD WINDOWS. NONE OF THEM SAID REPAIR STEEL WINDOWS. AND AGAIN, THE OWNER OF A COMPANY THAT MAKES STEEL WINDOWS SAYS THEY NEVER EVEN THINK ABOUT REPAIRING THEM. IT'S WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. THEY JUST REPLACE THEM AND, AND FROM THEIR WEBSITE, THEY REPLACE THEM WITH VERY NICE WINDOWS. THEY'RE JUST VERY EXPENSIVE. SURE. BUT, UM, YOU'RE ALSO AWARE THAT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES THAT VINYL WINDOWS ARE PROHIBITED. UM, ARE THEY, I WOULDN'T SAY PROHIBITED. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT RECOMMENDED YEAH. OR RECOMMENDED. YEAH. THAT, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION. HOWEVER, THERE ARE, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS. AND ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION SO WE CAN STAY ON TOPIC. THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION, MR. VASQUEZ? SO WE CAN STAY ON TOPIC. OH, JUST, UH, WHETHER HE HAD LOOKED INTO, UM, REUSE PLACES, UH, SALVAGE PLACES, UM, THAT HAVE THESE KINDS OF, UH, THINGS JUST SITTING THERE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY LIKE YOU TO COME PICK UP. UNDERSTOOD AND ANSWERED. THANK YOU TO MY LEFT. ANY QUESTIONS DONE HERE? THANK YOU. JUST AN OBSERVATION OR TWO. UH, [00:30:01] I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS. UM, AND UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PRESERVATIONISTS, I THINK EVERYWHERE WRESTLE WITH, UM, PARTICULARLY AS YOU GET TO THIS PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION WHERE NEW MATERIALS LIKE METALS START GETTING USED. AND, UM, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WERE GOING TO STAND THE TEST OF TIME. RIGHT. I THINK YOURS WAS AROUND 1941 OR SO. YES. AND IT IS INTERESTING, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS FOR YOUR HOUSE, THE INCREDIBLE VARIETY OF CASEMENT WINDOWS THAT YOU HAVE ALL AROUND, UM, BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT ARE THE SAME, BUT, UH, THE, THE, THE ORIENTATION OF THE LIGHTS AND, AND, AND WHICH ONES ARE FIXED AND WHICH ONES ARE CASEMENT WAS, WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, FASCINATING. UH, WHICH MAKES THE, THE MAINTENANCE THAT MUCH MORE OF A HEADACHE I APPRECIATE. YEP. UH, BUT IT DOES ALSO, UM, FROM A PRESERVATION POINT OF VIEW, AT LEAST ADD TO THE UNIQUENESS AND, AND CHARACTER OF YOUR PARTICULAR HOME, UM, COMPARED TO HOUSES TODAY WHERE, WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE SINGLE OR TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF WINDOW THAT GET USED THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE, AND THAT CLEARLY HAS A PLUS AND A MINUS. UM, I DID WANT TO AT LEAST HIGHLIGHT THAT IN TERMS OF THE, THE DISTINCTNESS AND THE ELEGANCE THAT IT PROVIDES TO YOUR HOUSE. UM, AND SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF, OF IF AND WHEN REPLACEMENT DOES HAPPEN, THE, THE, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO FOLLOW SOME OF THOSE PATTERNS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE HOUSE, INCLUDING POTENTIALLY CASEMENT VERSUS, UH, SASH. RIGHT. AND I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST, UM, OR INQUIRE IF, IF YOU HAD NOT GOTTEN THIS, UH, PROPOSAL, UM, ABOUT WINDOW REPLACEMENT, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF YOUR TIMEFRAME? I'M, I'M JUST SUGGESTING MAYBE IF, IF, IF IT WAS STILL NUMBER THREE OR FOUR ON YOUR LIST. UM, THE WAY THE UNIVERSE OF MARKETING SEEMS TO WORK THESE DAYS, ONCE YOU START LOOKING FOR SOMETHING, ALL OF A SUDDEN WITHIN SIX TO 12 MONTHS YOU GET BOMBARDED WITH OPPORTUNITIES. UM, AND IF, IF YOU DO HAVE THE TIME, THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MIGHT FIND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVEN'T QUITE APPEARED YET. UM, WELL THE, THE AIS OF THE WORLD HAVE ALREADY STARTED SPAMMING ME WITH ADVERTISEMENTS FOR WINDOWS , 'CAUSE I LOOKED UP WINDOW MANUFACTURERS. UM, SO YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. UM, I, YEAH, I, I, AGAIN, UM, WITH MY GARAGE, WHICH THE, THE DOORS AREN'T TALL ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY DRIVE MY CAR IN , SO IT'S SORT OF A GARAGE . UM, I WALKED IN THERE THIS MORNING AND ONE OF THE LOCAL CATS WENT OUT THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE WALL , I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S A WRECK. UM, AND ANYWAY, THAT I'M THINKING THAT'S GONNA COST AT LEAST 50,000 TO REPLACE MAYBE UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND. UM, IF I WAS GONNA DO IT, THE KITCHEN, I GOT A QUOTE, 35,000 TO COMPLETELY REDO, REDO THE KITCHEN, UM, MR. BATES. SO YEAH, I COMPLETELY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE'RE NOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THE WINDOWS. SURE. WE'LL GO BACK TO STAY ON TOPIC, WHICH ARE THE WINDOWS. YEAH, MY POINT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS TO PROVIDE THAT YOU WOULD, UM, NO, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, SIR. AT THIS TIME WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT. THANK YOU. I WOULD ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CLARIFICATIONS? ACTUALLY, MADAM CHAIR, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION FOR MR. BATES. SORRY, I MISSED, SORRY, GO AHEAD, SIR. MR. BATES, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU FEEL YOU'VE EXHAUSTED ALL OF YOUR RESEARCH AND OPTIONS OR, UM, IF, IF, UH, IS IT WORTH SPENDING SOME TIME WITH? UM, I APOLOGIZE, SIR. THAT QUESTION IS ACTUALLY BEEN, WILL BE ADDRESSED TO THE STAFF. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN INQUIRE ABOUT, SIR. OKAY. THAT IS A QUESTION THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED BACK TO THE STAFF SO THEY CAN HAVE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. AT THIS TIME ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS? NO MORE DECLARATIONS AT THIS TIME. I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FOR REPAIR [00:35:01] AND WITH THIS, UM, FIRST STIPULATION OR THE ONLY STIPULATION THAT'S NOTED. UM, THANK YOU. CAN I GET CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION? LEMME ME CLARIFICATION. YES. I THINK THE CLARIFICATION IS NOT SO MUCH AS THAT REPAIR, BUT PERHAPS REPLACE WITH THE COMPELLING APPROVAL. IS THAT CORRECT? SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS REPAIR OR REPLACE WITH A COMPATIBLE PRODUCT. UM, BUT WE ARE ALSO INCLUDING A STIPULATION THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE IF YOU WANTED TO ALSO ALLOW FOR A SASH WINDOW PRODUCT THAT WAS NOT A CASEMENT MATCH. AND STAFFS FINDINGS DO POINT TO OTHER SIMILAR HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING SASH WINDOWS. SO THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR THAT BECAUSE THIS HOUSE DOES HAVE STEEL CASEMENT NOW AND HAD THEM ORIGINALLY, THAT IS KIND OF PRIORITY. MM-HMM. . BUT WE ARE PROVIDING A LANGUAGE IN CASE YOU WANT TO ALLOW FOR A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT HE COULD EXPLORE, THEN PRESENT BACK TO STAFF BASED ON WHICH WAY HE WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD. AND THAT'S WHAT MY MOTION IS, INCLUDING, UH, ALLOWING FOR THE OPTION OF ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS. UM, NOT NO LUMEN, NO VINYL. OKAY. SO I, I HEAR THAT AS, SO WAIT, IS MY MOTION CLEAR NOW? YEAH, MOTION OF ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN WE CAN WORK WITH HIM ON WHATEVER THE FINAL PRODUCT IS WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS. MR. BATES, YOU HAD A, YOU MADE A COMMENT, UH, ONE POINT TO THE START. HE HADN'T SAID WHAT WAS GONNA BE MADE OUT. SO SIR, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK UP TO THE MIC. I'M SORRY. SORRY. UH, YEAH. WELL, MY FIRST COMMENT WAS GONNA BE WHAT AM I, THEY ALLOWED TO BE MADE OUT OF WHICH YOU ADDRESSED. UM, BUT I, I GUESS I THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ELSE. I MEAN, THE CURRENT, AGAIN, THE CURRENT WINDOW IS A SINGLE PANE. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TOMORROW. NO, JUST NEEDED A CLEAR, MR. BATES, WE WERE JUST CLARIFICATION FOR THE, FOR THE PRODUCTS, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I, I WANT IT TO BE, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS. YES, YOU WOULD. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER MO MOTIVATION FOR ME REPLACING THEM. GO AHEAD, CORY. THE, THE STIPULATION WOULD NOT REQUIRE SINGLE PANE PRODUCT. OKAY. AS LONG AS IT'S, YOU KNOW, VISUALLY MATCHES THESE, UH, THESE SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED IN THE RECOMMENDATION, THEN I KEEP MY MOTION AS IS SECOND. A SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS TO BE IMPLEMENTED. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL. VOTE FLORES. AYE. GARCIA AYE. ZER AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND SEPULVEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MADAM CHAIR. QUICK QUESTION. UH, POINT OF INFORMATION. YES SIR. UM, FOR STAFF, UH, HAVE THERE BEEN MANY OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE HISTORIC WINDOW WORKSHOP PROGRAM, UM, TO ADDRESS, UH, METAL WINDOWS? IT IS A NICHE MARKET AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME SUCCESSFUL DIY CASES. UM, I ACTUALLY AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH A COMPANY THAT DOES IT, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED A QUOTE THROUGH ANOTHER PROJECT FROM A COMPANY OUT OF AUSTIN AND IT WAS QUITE EXPENSIVE. SO IT, IT IS A PROBLEM, UM, WE'RE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, YEAH, IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE TRAININGS INTO OUR OTHER PROGRAMS, WE'D LOVE TO DO THAT. UM, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS DONE VERY MUCH. MR. BATES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR APPLICATION AND AS YOU KNOW THAT YOU'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFF WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE'LL GO BACK TO NUMBER ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, HDRC, CASE NUMBER HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 1 52 2 50. QUENTIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, RECONSTRUCT THE FIRE DAMAGE ROOF STRUCTURE TO FEATURE A MODIFIED ROOF PITCH AT AN INCREASED RIDGE HEIGHT OVER AN EXISTING SITE. ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CHIMNEY. TWO, TO MODIFY THE FACADE MATERIALS BY INSTALLING BLACK STUCCO AND WOOD SIDING WITH A NATURAL FINISH. THREE, TO MODIFY THE FACADE OF THE EXISTING SIDE ADDITION BY INSTALLING A FRONT FACING GARAGE DOOR, A RECESS BALCONY, WOOD SIDING, AND A FIFTH COLUMN, THE PROPOSED SIDE ADDITIONS MASS WILL BE EXTENDED FORWARD TO ALIGN WITH THE PRIMARY FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. AND FOUR, TO INSTALL BOTH FRONT YARD AND PRIVACY FENCING ON SITE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROOF STRUCTURE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE SITE ADDITION SHOULD MAINTAIN THE SUBORDINATE RIDGE HEIGHT AS WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED FOR ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE INSTALLATION OF BLACK STUCCO AND UNPAINTED WOOD SIDING ON THE FACADE IS NOTED IN FINDING. E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE EXISTING FACADE MATERIALS BE MAINTAINED AND MATCHED OR THAT AN ARCHITECTURALLY [00:40:01] AND HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL BE PROPOSED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. FOR ITEM THREE, STAFF DOES NOT RE RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR REQUEST ITEMS IDENTIFIED IN ITEM THREE AS THEY HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING. G. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING, ONE, THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE'S FOOTPRINT REMAIN AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS AND NOT BE BROUGHT FORWARD. TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED MATERIAL SHOULD MATCH THE EXISTING ON SITE OR THAT AN ARCHITECTURALLY AND HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL BE PROPOSED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THE PROPOSED UNFINISHED WOOD SIGNING IS NOT APPROPRIATE. THREE, THAT ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, NOTING THE INSTALLATION PROFILE AND DEPTH OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOOR AND FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED FIFTH COLUMN BE ELIMINATED. AND FOR ITEM FOUR, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR FENCING AS PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCING IS NOT FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THIS BLOCK OF QUENTIN AND IS NOT COMMON WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT FIND THE INSTALLATION OF FRONT YARD FENCING TO BE APPROPRIATE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PRIVACY FENCING INSTALLED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THE FINAL SITE PLAN NOTING THE EXACT FENCING LOCATION IS TO BE SUBMITTED TO OHB STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND THE APPLICANT, MR. MAZIAR IS HERE IN PERSON. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. HOW YOU DOING? UM, I HAVE PREPARED A SMALL PRESENTATION SO I CAN GO OVER EVERYTHING. UM, SO WE CAN COVER IT TODAY. UM, I'M GONNA GO OVER IT AT ANY TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO STOP ME AND EXPLAIN. UM, FIRST THING, THE EXISTING CHIMNEY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, I'M REQUESTING TO DEMO THAT EXISTING CHIMNEY DUE TO THE OTHER, UH, CHIMNEYS ALREADY EXISTING IN THE PROPERTY. SO WITH THAT ONE WE'LL HAVE LIKE THREE AND IT'S LIKE LITERALLY ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE HOUSE. UM, NUMBER TWO, THE FACADE. UM, AT THIS POINT I'M NOT PLANNING TO MODIFY THE CURRENT FACADE AT ALL. I WILL, UH, REPAINT AND REPAIR DAMAGE AREAS WITH THE SAME MATCHING MATERIALS. UM, THE COLORS THAT I HAVE CHOSEN, IT'S GONNA BE BROWN AND CREAM COLOR. UM, I WILL AVOID THE MOVING MATERIAL THAT APPEARS TO BE IN A GOOD CONDITION. I'M, UM, PLANNING, UM, TO RESTORE THE EXISTING STRUCTURES WITH THIS, UH, CURRENT MODIFICATION. ADDING THE SHUTTERS TO THE FRONT WINDOWS, UM, AS ITS ORIGINALS, UH, THAT I SAW IN THE PICTURES BUILT IN 1930. UM, NUMBER THREE, IT'S GONNA BE THE GARAGE DOOR. I'M REQUESTING A FRONT FACING GARAGE AT, UH, WOODEN DOOR, UH, WITH THE RESIST BALCONY ABOVE THE GARAGE AND ADDING THE FIFTH COLUMN FLUSH TO THE EXISTING COLUMNS. UH, I WILL CONTINUE TO USE THE SAME MATERIAL, UH, THROUGHOUT AND WHAT IS APPROPRIATE WITH THE HISTORICAL, UH, STRUCTURES. UH, I PLAN TO DO THE WOODWORK IN ALL THE ABOVE MATERIALS, UH, AREAS TO SIMULATE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES, UH, THE PROPERTY, UH, WITH FLUSH GARAGES. I HAVE TWO PICTURES THAT I CAN SHOW YOU. IT'S IN THE SAME BLOCK. THIS PROPERTY IS ON THE ORDER IS GONNA BE, UH, ON THE SAME BLOCK. 2 46 QUENTIN, 2 38, 2 34, 2 26, 2 24 AND 2 22. AND ALSO IF YOU FLIP THE PAGE, I WROTE THE ADDRESSES BEHIND THEM. AND NUMBER FOUR ON THE FENCING, I'M PLANNING TO INSTALL BOTH AND BACK, UH, UH, FRONT AND BACK PRIVACY FENCE. UH, PRIVACY REAR, UH, HAS BEEN ALREADY APPROVED BY, UH, MR. HALL DURING THE SITE VISIT. AND IT HAS BEEN PRE-MARKED BY HIM AS WELL. SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO PUT THE FENCING DOWN. UM, PROPERTY WITH THE, UH, FRONT FACING, I HAVE ALSO TOOK PICTURES ON THE ONE EXISTING ON THE SAME BLOCK, WHICH IS GOING TO BE QUENTIN, UH, 2 2 2, QUENTIN, 2 1 5, AND QUENTIN 2 2 6. I HAVE ALSO MARKED IT OVER HERE ON THE MAP THAT SHOWS HOW THEY LOCATED ON THE SAME BLOCK AND THEY ARE LITERALLY THE HOUSES DOWN FROM ME, ONE OR TWO HOUSES. UM, NUMBER FIVE, THE ROOF. UM, I'M PROPOSING TO KEEP THE, UH, ROOF AS IT STANDS WITH ONE CENTER RIDGE LINE. UM, THE SLOPE WAS MATCHED WITH THE EXISTING HEIGHT REAR OF THE HOUSE. UM, I DO HAVE A PICTURE FOR THAT ONE AS WELL. UM, BASED ON THE, UH, ENGINEERING VISIT AND RECOMMENDATION, HE HIGHLY RECOMMENDED [00:45:01] TO BUILD THE SAME SLOPE ON ONE CENTER RIDGE LINE, UH, TO EVENLY BEARD. THE WEIGHT OF THE ROOF, UM, NOT DOING SO WILL CAUSE THE FUTURE STRUCTURES, DAMAGES TO THE FRAMING AND THE FOUNDATION GIVEN ITS SIZE. AND ALSO NUMBER SIX IS I'M PROPOSING A HISTORICAL PLAQUE TO BE POSTED IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE BY THE FRONT DOOR. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UH, THANK YOU MAZI. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, NO THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW. UH, COMMISSIONERS. WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE VOICEMAIL AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, INDIVIDUALS HERE TO SPEAK IN PERSON. SO WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW AND TAKE A SEAT. OKAY. CALL, UH, BIANCA MALDONADO. MS. MALDONA WILL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. TOM SIMMONS AND LARISSA O'CONNORS ARE HERE AND HAS HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME. THANK YOU. MAYBE YOU GO TO POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. YEAH, WE CAN JUST GO TO ONE SLIDE. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. UM, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THIS CASE. AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN ON YOUR AGENDA FOR MANY MONTHS. THIS IS A SECOND CASE FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT HAS COME BEFORE YOU. THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD THAT CTA MADE EARLIER THIS YEAR TO ORDER REPAIRS. THIS PROPERTY STARTED BACK, UM, WHEN THERE WAS A FIRE ON THIS PROPERTY. THERE WAS A FIRE ON MARCH 11TH, 2022 AND MARCH 9TH, 2023. THERE WAS A NEW PROPERTY OWNER. THERE WERE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WERE PULLED IN 2023 ON MARCH 29TH AND DECEMBER 13TH. UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A VIOLATION CASE WHERE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT PROPER C OF A AND CITY PERMITS. UM, THERE WERE OTHER PERMITS THAT WERE APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED FOR OTHER WORK THAT WAS DONE ON THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN THIS ALL BEGAN WHEN, UM, FEBRUARY 23RD WAS THAT CTAP CASE FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR REPAIRS. ALL THE SUBSEQUENT WORK THAT WE'LL SEE TODAY WAS DONE AFTER THAT WITHOUT A C OF A, WITHOUT A PERMIT. SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE HOME BEFORE THE FIRE AND AFTER THE FIRE. THIS IS THE HOME BEFORE THE FIRE. YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ADDITIONS THAT WERE MADE ONTO THE HOUSE OVER TIME. AND THIS IS THE EVOLUTION OF THE HOME, AS YOU CAN ALL AT LEAST SEE THE MIDPOINT LINE OF THE ROOF LINE HAS MOVED HIGHER AND FURTHER BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOME FROM WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY POSITIONED. UM, THE SLOPE IS SUBSTANTIAL IN ITS CHANGE. STAFF IS, UM, WE DISAGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WE BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE RESTORED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL RIDGE LINE POSITION AND THE ORIGINAL SLOPE BECAUSE IT CREATES, UM, AN INCOMPATIBLE MASSING AND SCALE FOR THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK. THESE ARE HOMES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO, UH, THIS PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS, OR ORIGINALLY. YOU CAN SEE THE RIDGE LINE LOCATION AND THE FRONT SLOPE AND HOW IT MIRRORS THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. YOU CAN ALSO SEE HERE, THIS IS CURRENTLY WHERE IT'S AT TODAY, MORE PICTURES PROVIDING YOU, BRINGING YOU THE BLOCK OF THE 200 BLOCK OF QUENTIN TO YOU. ESSENTIALLY THESE ARE OTHER HOMES ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAVE SIMILAR SLOPE AND LOCATION OF THE RIDGE LINE, UH, TO THE HOME. AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE HOME. THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER, TWO DOWN FROM THE CORNER, AND THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, TWO DOORS DOWN TO THE WEST. THESE ARE ALL THE OTHER HOMES, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE THAT TYPE OF SIGNIFICANT MASS AND SCALING OF A ROOF LINE. AND THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE THIS IS THE 200 BLOCK OF QUENTIN. THOSE PINK DASH LINES ARE LOCATIONS OF TWO STORY HOMES. ALL THE OTHER HOMES ARE SINGLE STORY. THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO STORY HOMES ON [00:50:01] QUENTIN. SO ONCE AGAIN, IT GOES TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES WHEN YOU GET INTO THE MASSING AND THE SCALING OF THE SITUATION. AND ALSO IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE GOAL IS THAT IT WOULD BE RESTORED. SO BEFORE YOU, I THINK STAFF HANDED OUT, UM, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IF YOU COULD PULL THAT UP. COREY, IF YOU DON'T MIND. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FRONT, BUT THIS IS AN INCOMPLETE APPLICATION. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TODAY BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN NO DRAWINGS OF THE RENDERINGS OF THE REAR. WE'VE SEEN NO STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS OF WHAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED AND WE FEEL THAT THAT IS A, A HUGE ISSUE. SO WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT WE WANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND WE DIFFER WITH STAFF ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDED THIS TO YOU, THAT THE ORIGINAL PROFILE, UM, ROOF A PITCH AND HEIGHT AND THE MIDPOINT LOCATION FOR THE 19 34 2 STORY HOME BE RECONSTRUCTED AND RESTORED. UM, AT THE APPLICANT RETURNS TO C TTAB WITH ELEVATION DRAWINGS FOR THE ROOF OVER THE REAR ADDITIONS OF THE HOME TO ENSURE THE REAR ROOF IS SUBORDINATE TO THE 19 34 2 STORY HOME. AND THAT IT'S MASSING AND SCALE ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE OVERALL SITE. AND AT THE SIDE ADDITION FACING THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE OLD GARAGE, MAINTAINS A SUBORDINATE ROOF RIDGE HEIGHT AS WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED. AND THEN ALSO THAT THE CHIMNEY REMOVED BY THE APPLICANT BE RESTORED AND THE APPLICANT RETURN WITH PLANS INCLUDING THEIR LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE AND CLADDING MATERIAL. SO IF YOU GET IN THE DETAIL OF THE DRAWINGS, YOU'LL SEE MOST OF THAT. THERE'S SOME BRICK THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED. THERE'S ALSO DIFFERENT CLADDING MATERIAL. IT'S UNCLEAR TO US IN THE APPLICATION WHAT THE CLADDING MATERIAL WILL BE ON THE FRONT, THE SIDE AND THE BACK BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXISTING DIFFERENCES OF MATERIAL AND YOU'RE ADDING ELEVATION ON THE SECOND STORY ON THE SIDES AND AT THE REAR. AND THERE'S NO INFORMATION THAT SAYS WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS GONNA BE BECAUSE IT DIFFERS FROM WHAT'S THERE. YOU HAVE STUCCO ON THE BACK AND THE APPLICANT MENTIONED HE WAS GONNA RESTORE IT, BUT ARE YOU RESTORING IT TO STUCCO IN THE BACK AND, AND, AND, UM, STONE ON THE FRONT. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I THINK CAN BE IRONED OUT AND A FINAL APPROVAL AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TODAY. BUT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR. UM, SO I, IT'S, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY LENGTHY CASE AND WE'VE COME BEFORE YOU EVERY SINGLE TIME AND SO WE REALLY HOPE THAT WE COULD MOVE THIS CASE FORWARD. WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE HOME BEING REPURPOSED, RESTORED AFTER THE FIRE AND WE WANNA SEE WORK MO MOVING FORWARD ON IT, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSCIENTIOUS AND THAT IT'S DONE ACCORDING TO, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND THAT WE DON'T LOSE THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WAS THERE TO TELL, TELL THE STORY. SO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. THIS IS KATE RUMAN FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, 1146 SOUTH ALAMO REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 2 2 50 QUENTIN STREET, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH THE OHP STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS THAT DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE OF PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE ARE REDUCING THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF, PARTICULARLY OVER THE SITE ADDITION, MAINTAINING THE SITE ADDITION SETBACK FROM THE MAIN HOUSE AND NOT INTRODUCING MODERN FACADE MATERIALS INCONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MA ZA, YOU CAN COME BACK UP NOW, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THAT CONCLUDES, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, SO WE CAN MOVE TO QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE THOSE. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, BEFORE WE START. UH, I'M SORRY SIR. DOES HE STILL HAVE TIME? HE DOES, YEAH. CONTINUES HERE. OKAY. SO, UH, THEY MENTIONED THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF, UH, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT EXISTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. I DO HAVE A PICTURE HERE FROM 2 36 QUENTIN. SO WE TRY TO MATCH THAT. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE ARE FOUR INCH SHORTER WITH THE LASER CHUTE AT IT. THAT'S WHERE WE PUT THE CENTER OF THE ROOF. AND I DO HAVE A PICTURE OVER HERE FOR 2 36, QUENTIN. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND I'M NOT PROPOSING ANY MATERIAL OR MODERN ANYTHING. I HAVE STATED THAT I'LL RESTORE EVERYTHING THAT IS EXISTING. AND AT ONE POINT, YES, YOU KNOW, I WAS EXCITED AND I DID A REENTERING THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT IS LOOKED TO ME VERY NICE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT APPROVED BY THE, YOU KNOW, HISTORICAL. UM, BUT AS I MENTIONED, I HAVE, UH, DROVE AROUND, UH, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. I ABSORBED A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND, UM, I TOOK YOUR TIME TO WALK IN THE [00:55:01] NEIGHBORHOOD AND I CAME WITH THE COLORS OF, UH, BROWN AND CREAM. UM, SO BASICALLY WHATEVER THAT YOU SEE IN THIS PICTURE, UM, THAT I'M KEEPING THE SAME MATERIAL THAT AS IT IS, UM, THE, UH, FACADE ON THE OUTSIDE IT'S GONNA BE A CREAM COLOR, WHICH THERE WAS THE ORIGINAL PICTURE OF THE HOUSE THAT I HAVE SAW SEEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFERENT SHADES OF CREAM AND WHITE, UH, WHICH I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK TO THAT COLOR AND THE ORIGINAL OF THE HOUSE, ALL THE, IT'S ACTUALLY THE OTHER, THIS ONE IS PAINTED AFTER THE ONE THAT I GIVE YOU THE ORIGINAL. IT'S RIGHT OVER HERE THAT, UH, THE COLOR OF THE HOUSE IS CREAM, WHICH I'M GONNA KEEP IT THAT SAME COLOR THAT IT WAS BEFORE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, IT WAS A STAIRCASE GOING UP ON THE, UH, RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND THERE IS A DOOR UPSTAIRS THAT HAS A LITTLE, UH, RESIST BALCONY UP THERE, UH, WHICH I'M TRYING TO RESTORE THAT AND BRING IT BACK. AND ADDING THE SHUTTERS THE SAME COLOR AS IT WAS ORIGINALS, AND THEN AGAIN GOING BACK TO THE SAME COLOR THAT IT WAS BEFORE, BROWN AND CREAM COLOR . THANK YOU, MR. MOSSI. YOU'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO, TO WORK WITH THE STAFF. ARE THERE AT THIS TIME, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND I'LL START WITH MY COLLEAGUES TO THE LEFT. NONE HERE. THANK YOU. JUST FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, I'M, I'M, I THINK I'M BLENDING TOGETHER WHAT HAPPENED TO, UH, DURING THE FIRST REVIEW AND TODAY, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE DIFFERENCES, IF ANY, THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OVER THE, UM, THE GARAGE AREA. YES, SIR. THIS TIME AROUND. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO OVER THE GARAGE AREA, I PROPOSE, UM, TO BRING IT UP FRONT TO BE FLUSH, UH, AND FOLLOW THE BASE, SAME LINE OF THE COLUMNS TO ADD THE FIFTH COLUMN RIGHT THERE. AND I, UH, YOU KNOW, WALKED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE IDEA THAT I GOT, IT'S ME FROM WALKING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE SAME BLOCK, UH, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT HOUSES THAT THEY DO HAVE A GARAGE ATTACHED TO IT AND IT'S FLUSH. AND THEY DO HAVE A BALCONY ON TOP. UH, THERE IS THREE HOUSES THERE. AND I ALSO TOOK A LOT OF PICTURES OF THE HOUSES THAT I WALKED BY, UH, TO MATCH THE EXISTING WHAT IS ON THE SAME BLOCK, TO FOLLOW THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURES ON THAT BLOCK. AND THE BALCONY THAT I PROPOSED RIGHT NOW, IT, IT WAS EXISTED BEFORE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW, THEY TOOK IT AWAY. I'M TRYING TO PUT IT BACK ON COMMISSIONERS. THERE'S A PLAN AND ELEVATION THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. NOW, THE ELEVATION, UH, MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE, UH, THERE'S THE FRONT FACE OF THE COLUMN. SO I'LL KIND OF DRAW THIS BOX HERE WHERE THE COLUMN PLANE IS, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT FACE OF THE, UH, PROPOSED GARAGE BEING EXTENDED OUT FORWARD. UM, AND THEN I'LL, UH, FLIP THROUGH A FEW PHOTOS. SO THE CURRENT WALL RIGHT HERE, UH, IS THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT IS SPEAKING TO, UH, THAT WOULD'VE PREVIOUSLY, UH, FEATURED A, A GARAGE. UH, I'LL GO TO THE, UM, THE SANDBORN MAP AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, THIS SMALL VOID SPACE HERE, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO FILL IN BY EXTENDING THAT GARAGE MASS FORWARD. UM, BUT THEN YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE GARAGE ON THE SANDBORN MAP. SO THE ATTACHED GARAGE WITH THE FRONT FACING, UH, GARAGE DOOR IS, UH, OR AT LEAST THE FRONT FACING GARAGE IS ORIGINAL. UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER EXAMPLES ON THIS BLOCK OF THAT CONDITION. UM, IT, THE PRIMARY THING HERE IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO ESSENTIALLY BUILD AN ADDITION ON THE FRONT TO EXTEND THAT FRONT FACADE OUT, UH, TO BE FLUSH WITH THE COLUMN BAY WITH, WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF THE PROPERTY. UH, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE SANBORN, UM, IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT, 2 46, IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE WITH THE ATTACHED GARAGES, UM, AT LEAST IN THIS IMAGE, THE NEIGHBORING ONES ALL HAVE RECESSED GARAGES. DOES THAT LOOK THAT THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT WOULD, UH, THE EXAMPLES THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED, UM, IT'S, UM, HERE, LET ME DO THIS REAL QUICK. UM, THE GARAGE IS SOMEWHAT OF A DISTINCTIVE SEPARATE MASS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S NOT RECESSED, IT'S STILL SUBORDINATE IN HEIGHT OR IT IS, UH, SUBORDINATE, SORRY, IT'S SUBORDINATE AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING. UM, SO IT'S A, A DISTINCT DEVELOPMENT. UM, HERE'S A, SORRY, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF, OF RIGHT HERE. UH, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT, OR ACTUALLY YOU CAN, SORRY, UM, TO WHERE YOU CAN, THERE'S THESE, THERE'S A SERIES OF STEP DOWNS, UM, SUBORDINATE MASSING FOR GARAGES. [01:00:05] SO, UM, I MAYBE I COULD CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE STAFF CLARITY. UM, AND, UM, NOT TO INTERRUPT QUESTIONS, BUT UH, SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF THE GARAGE, UH, TO EXPLAIN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING ESSENTIALLY THAT THE GARAGE BE MAINTAINED, UM, AS IT PREVIOUSLY WAS. SO A SUBORDINATE RIDGE HEIGHT, UH, IN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT. UM, AND IF, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GARAGE OR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT, I CAN ANSWER THAT, BUT CONTINUE WITH QUESTIONS. EDWARD, CAN YOU SHOW THE, UH, THE HISTORIC PICTURE FROM THE NEWSPAPER FROM BACK IN TIME WHEN WHAT THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY LOOKED OUT LOOKED LIKE? SO IT WAS A ONE STORY GARAGE ORIGINALLY, UM, AND IT WAS SUBORDINATE AND PUSHED BACK. AND THEN CAN YOU SHOW WHERE IT WAS CHANGED WITH THE BALCONY? BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. I NEED TO, OF COURSE, I, AND I'LL, I'LL ACTUALLY, UH, I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO GO TO A PHOTO OF, UH, LIKE PRIOR TO THE FIRE. UM, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT ALSO IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO ABANDON THE EXISTING TWO STORY MASS AT THE GARAGE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION AND WHILE IT'S NOT ORIGINAL, STAFF WOULDN'T TELL AN APPLICANT YOU HAVE TO UNDO SOMETHING THAT IS EXISTED ON SITE FOR 30 OR 40 OR 50 YEARS. BECAUSE IN MANY CASES, I'M NOT SAYING THIS EXACT CASE, BUT IN MANY CASES THOSE HAVE BECOME CONTRIBUTING MODIFICATIONS TO PROPERTIES. UH, SIMPLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN NOW, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT GO BACK TO THAT SURE. AND I, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE SUBORDINATE CONDITION TO BE MAINTAINED FOR INSIDE GARAGE. AND I JUST ASKED FOR THAT TO BE BROUGHT UP BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE, THE WAY THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY WAS, UM, WITH THE GARAGE, UH, SETBACK VERSUS, UH, ALONG THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME. UNDERSTOOD. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS TO MY, TO MY OTHER COLLEAGUES TO MY RIGHT. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR EDWARD, UM, SOME OF THE PUBLIC INPUT WE GOT ON THE ORIGINAL ROOF PROFILE AND PITCH YOUR RECOMMEND. CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THAT? YES, UH, SO THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS REFRAMED THE ROOF AND THE REFRAMING OF THE ROOF IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WHAT IT PREVIOUSLY WAS OR ORIGINALLY WAS. UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE APPLICANT'S DONE, AND I WILL GO TO A SIDE PHOTO. UM, IT SHOWS THIS IN PROFILE, WELL, I THOUGHT I HAD ONE IN HERE. UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE APPLICANT'S DONE IS HE CENTERED THE ROOF RIDGE ON THE MASS. SO, UM, PREVIOUSLY, UH, DUE TO HERE'S A SIDE PHOTO PREVIOUSLY DUE TO THE NUMEROUS ADDITIONS THAT HAD BEEN ADDED, THE RIDGE LINE WAS UNCENTERED. IF YOU THOUGHT, IF YOU WERE VIEW VIEWING THE HOUSE INSIDE ELEVATION, THE RIDGE LINE IS FORWARD TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UH, SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN ODD SHAPE. IT'S NOT CENTERED. UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S ESSENTIALLY DONE IS HE'S GONE TO THE CENTER OF THE HOUSE AND HE SAID THIS IS WHERE THE RIDGE LINE WOULD BE AND HAS CONSTRUCTED THE RIDGE LINE THERE. THE RESULT IN THAT IS DUE TO THE RIDGE LINE BEING PUSHED BACK, YOU NOW HAVE MORE PITCH. AND SO THE RIDGE IS THAT THE RIDGE LINE IS TALLER THAN WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS. THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS FOUND A HOUSE ON THE BLOCK, UH, THAT HE HAS SAID THAT THIS RIDGE HEIGHT AND RIDGE LOCATION IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M CONSTRUCTING MY HOUSE TO MODEL. UH, AND IT IS, UM, IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN, UH, THIS HOUSE HERE, UH, SO STAFF IS, UH, YOU COULD SAY THAT THIS IS A, A COMPROMISE OR, OR WORKING WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SUBMITTED AND WHAT HE HAS. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS IF YOU HAD A, IF YOU ARE, YOU'RE CENTERING THE RIDGE LINE TO MAKE IT SYMMETRICAL AND YOU HAVE FOUND A HOUSE ON THE BLOCK THAT YOU ARE BEING SUB MORE SUBORDINATE THAN, UM, THE STAFF IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING, WE FIND THAT YOU CAN PROCEED WITH THE RIDGE AS YOU'VE STARTED TO CONSTRUCT IT. UH, SINCE THERE IS SOME SIMILARITY TO A HISTORIC RIDGE HEIGHT AND RIDGE PROFILE ON THE BLOCK, UM, THAT STAFF'S THINKING, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT THE EXISTING CONDITION. UM, AND THAT WORK WAS DONE PRIOR TO APPROVAL. UM, SO, UM, BUT THIS IS STAFF TRYING TO FIND A WAY FOR THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO WORK FORWARD TO, UH, BRING THIS, UH, THIS PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. [01:05:01] UM, SO THE WORK THAT'S CURRENTLY, UH, SHOWN IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT IN TERMS OF THE ROOF? UH, SOME PART OF IT, YES. UH, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF RAIN THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, IF I WOULD NOT COVER THE ENTIRE, UH, ROOF, I WOULD'VE PROBABLY LOST THE HOUSE BY NOW DUE TO DAMAGE OF ALL THE WATERS JUST SITTING IN THERE AND ANYTHING HAVE ACCESS TO GO IN AND OUT. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UM, THE MONTICELLO REPRESENTATIVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU AND EDWARD IN TERMS OF IS THERE A ALLOWABLE HEIGHT FOR, UH, RESIDENCES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, I MEAN, IN THE CONTEXT OF LET'S SAY IN THE CONTEXT OF RECONSTRUCTION, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT RECONSTRUCT THE, THE HOUSE, UM, EITHER TO A RIDGE HEIGHT OR A PROFILE THAT'S CONSISTENT ARCHITECTURALLY WITH EXAMPLES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT OR TO MATCH OR REBUILD WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE. UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY IS COMPLICATING WITH THIS REQUEST IS THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF ADDITIONS TO WHERE ESSENTIALLY, UH, RECONSTRUCTING THE ROOF TO MATCH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE WOULD NOT BE, IT WOULD ONLY PARTIALLY BE WHAT WAS ORIGINAL. UM, SO I THINK THAT SOME OF THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF STAFF SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THE HOUSE WOULD'VE HAD A SYMMETRICAL ROOF FORM, ADDITIONS WERE ADDED. IT NO LONGER HAS THAT. AND SO IF YOU WERE GOING TO RECONSTRUCT A NEW SYMMETRICAL ROOF FORM TO KEEP FROM HAVING KIND OF AN, AN, AN, AN ODD SHAPE, THEN THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IN THE CONTEXT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS, THAT FOR A HEIGHT REFERENCE, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND IF AN APPLICANT WAS GONNA BUILD, IF THIS HOUSE WASN'T HERE AND THERE WAS A TWO STORY HOUSE THAT WAS PROPOSED ON THIS LOT, WE WOULD ASK THAT GUIDELINES WOULD SAY THAT THE APPLICANT COULD BUILD TWO STORIES. IT SHOULDN'T BUILD MORE THAN A STORY ABOVE THE PREDOMINANT HEIGHT ON THE BLOCK. SO TWO STORIES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND WE WOULD LOOK FOR A RIDGE HEIGHT THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TWO STORY HOUSES THAT ARE FOUND ON THE BLOCK. UH, IN SOME CASES SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY THE TALLEST IS 35 FEET, ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE 30 FEET. I'M GONNA LAND IN THE MIDDLE. SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY, I'M GONNA TRY TO GO 35 FEET. SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY, I'M GONNA GO WITH THE LOWER IT. IT REALLY DEPENDS. SO GENERALLY THE RIDGE HEIGHT THAT'S PROPOSED IS IT, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC EXAMPLE. SO IT COULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL. UM, AND SO LIKE I SAID, STAFF WAS LOOKING FOR COMPROMISE AND, AND TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKED OF MOVING FORWARD TO BRING COMPLIANCE TO THIS CASE, FINDING A SYMMETRICAL EXAM OR FINDING A SYMMETRICAL SOLUTION, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT A SYMMETRICAL SOLUTION IF THE RIDGE HEIGHT WAS LOWER, MAY BE ARCHITECTURALLY MORE APPROPRIATE THAN KIND OF THE OBTUSE, YOU KNOW, ANGLE THAT THAT WAS CREATED AT THE FRONT WITH THE RIDGE LINE BEING SHIFTED SO FAR FORWARD. UH, RIGHT. AND I GUESS REALLY NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION AS I HAVE A COMMENT, IF THAT'S OKAY. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT OR IS THIS THE QUESTION PORTION? THIS IS THE QUESTION PORTION. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE, I GUESS WE CAN MOVE TO COMMENT NOW. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS OR STRUCTURALS OR DOCUMENTATIONS? UH, NOT FROM STAFF. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT IS IF, UM, THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE, UH, TO WALK THROUGH EACH OF THE ITEMS FOR A STAFF INPUT OR FEEDBACK, UM, I COULD DO THAT, BUT IF NOT, WE COULD MOVE TO COMMENT. OKAY. THERE'S ONE MORE QUESTION, UH, ONE QUICK QUESTION ABOUT, UM, ELEMENT NUMBER FOUR. UH, ON THE FENCING. I THINK THERE WERE TWO EXAMPLES IN THE, IN THE BLOCK WITH FENCING. UM, DOES, DOES STAFF HAVE ANY, ANY BACKGROUND ON THOSE? WERE THOSE POTENTIALLY ADDED JUST BEFORE THE 2010, UH, DESIGNATION? NO. I, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE EXISTING PRIOR TO DESIGNATION OR IF THEY WERE INSTALLED AFTER. UM, I, I, I WILL SAY FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, AND I'VE BEEN ON THE BLOCK A HANDFUL OF TIMES AND WE'VE CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT. UM, THERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF FENCING ON THE BLOCK, BUT THERE'S NOT A PREDOMINANT EXAMPLE OF FENCING. UM, IT, IT, THERE'S A VERY, UM, WE CAN GET ON STREET VIEW IF WE NEED TO, BUT IT A FEW AND, AND FAR IN BETWEEN EXAMPLES OF, OF FENCING, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY OPEN FRONT YARD, NO FENCING WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BLOCK IT BE PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SPEAK TO THAT IF THEY HAVE COMMENTS. I NO IT, IT, NO, WE ARE AT THE QUESTION PART. THEY HAD THE TIME TO SPEAK AT THIS. AT THIS TIME. I'D LIKE TO THANK ACTUALLY MADAM CHAIR SINCE IT IS THE QUESTION PART AND THERE WAS INPUT PROVIDED BY, UM, IN THIS CASE IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT THERE BE QUESTIONS ASKED OF ANYBODY WHO PROVIDED [01:10:01] INPUT. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. SO WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MIGHT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK REGARDING FRONT YARD FENCING. UM, APPARENTLY THERE'S A VOICEMAIL THAT WE RECEIVED THREE OR FOUR HEARINGS AGO THAT I NEED TO GO FIND IN PLACE. SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. WE CAN CONTINUE WITH COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND THEN I'LL FIND THAT AND LET Y'ALL KNOW. EDWARDS, WHILE YOU'RE FINDING THAT, THEN I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND HAVE MR. MOSSY HAVE A SEAT FOR A SEC FOR A MOMENT SO I CAN COMMISSIONERS, OH, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I WAS ALERTING HIM THAT I KNOW HE HASN'T BEEN HERE FOR EVERY TIME THIS CASE HAS BEEN HEARD, THERE IS COMMENT FROM THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND THAT SHOWS THE MASSING CONCERNS FOR THE REAR OF CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WITHOUT A PERMIT THAT THIS SLOPE IS TRYING TO JUSTIFY. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. I ALSO THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO'VE RECORDED VOICEMAILS MM-HMM AS THIS CASE HAS BEEN CONTINUED, THAT THOSE HAD BEEN CARRIED OVER. AND SO I JUST ASKED IF HE COULD CON INCLUDE THOSE. BUT TO YOUR POINT, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THIS PORTION WAS CREATED IN 1995 AND LESS THAN 0.05% OF THE PROPERTIES WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT HAVE FRONT YARD FENCES. AND THE ONES THAT YOU'RE BEING SHOWN TODAY, MANY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN AS THEY EXISTED PRIOR TO WHEN THE AREA BECAME A HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO TO YOUR POINT, UM, AND THEN THE INFORMATION THAT I ASKED FOR STAFF TO PRESENT WOULD, WOULD BE RELEVANT TO YOUR, UM, YOUR ROOF DISCUSSIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE MASSING AND THE SCALE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT 'CAUSE WE'VE COME EVERY TIME AS THIS MEETING, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN CON THIS CASE HAS BEEN CONTINUED. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. OKAY. I HAVE A VOICEMAIL FROM JUNE THE 21ST THAT I'LL PLAY FOR TWO 50. QUENTIN, THIS IS FROM LEONARD MCCLURE AND EDWARD, THERE'S A PHOTO IN THE LATE FOLDER THAT WILL ACCOMPANY THIS GREAT, UH, NOT THAT ONE, SORRY. LIGHT FOLDER FOR TODAY SO THAT YOU COULD FIND IT. THERE YOU GO. THIS IS LYNN MCCLURE. I LIVE AT 2 69 NORTH DRIVE. I'M CALLING REGARDING, UH, TWO 50 QUENTIN. ITEM NUMBER 20 24 5 3 1 2 6 2. UM, AGAIN, I COMMEND THE OWNER OF TWO 50 QUENTIN FOR COMING UP WITH SUCH A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN OF OLD HOUSE MAKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER. MY ONLY OBJECTION IS TO THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF. UM, IT, IT AFFECTS ALL THE PROPERTIES AROUND BECAUSE IT'S HIGHER AND IT MORE ADVERSELY AFFECTS MY PROPERTY BECAUSE I'M RIGHT BEHIND IT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE PLAT OF THE HOUSES ALL ALONG THAT BLOCK OF RETIN, UH, TWO 50 IS CLOSEST TO THE BACK PROPERTY LINE, WHICH PUTS IT VERY CLOSE TO MY HOUSE. UH, WE ALL THINK OF UH, LOOKING AT A HOUSE FROM THE STREET VIEW, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT STREET OVER, WHICH IS NORTH DRIVE? AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THIS THING RISING BEHIND MY HOUSE FROM NORTH DRIVE LOOKING DOWN MY DRIVEWAY. UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REFERENCE FILE NUMBER EIGHT, IT SHOWS THE HOUSE BEFORE THE FIRE AND ALSO CONSTRUCTING THE NEW ROOF. SO, UM, I REQUESTED THE ROOF BEING BROUGHT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, CONSIDERATION AND EDWARD, THERE'S ONE MORE VOICEMAIL IN THE MAY 17TH FOLDER. HI, MY NAME IS RON HUBBARD. I RESIDE AT 2 3 8 QUENTIN DRIVE. I'M CALLING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 2 5 0. QUENTIN, I SUPPORT ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM ONE. THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO RESTORE THE ORIGINAL SHAPE, LINE, AND PITCH OF THE HISTORIC ROOF OF THIS FOAM. THE CURRENT ROOF PROFILE IS OUT OF CONTEXT FOR THE 200 BLOCK OF QUENTIN AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. ALSO, THE ROOF OVER THE GARAGE SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE TO THE MAIN ROOF. PLEASE HELP PROTECT AND PRESERVE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT'S UNFORTUNATE WHEN WORK IS DONE WITHOUT OHP APPROVAL. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT'S, THAT EVERYTHING. NO, THERE WERE TWO PHOTOS, UH, FOR THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND THERE. THERE WAS A BEFORE AND AN AFTER, [01:15:04] SO YOU COULD SEE THE CHANGES THERE. FAIR. THAT IS NOT THE SAME ANGLE. MADAM CHAIR, I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU TO CALL FOR A MOTION AT THIS TIME FOR DISCUSSION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS TO MY RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT ASKING QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS? FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU MR. MOI FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU TO THE TORICAL SOCIETY FOR BEING HERE AS WELL AND BRINGING TO OUR ATTENTION. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO SEE OTHER READING. I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION AND TO CAREFULLY ADDRESS THE INTRICACIES OF THIS CASE. UM, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROOF STRUCTURE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOF PROFILE, PITCH RIDGE HEIGHT AND MIDPOINT OVER THE 19 34 2 STORY HOME BE RECONSTRUCTED AND RESTORED AS WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED. TWO, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT RETURNS TO C TTAB WITH ELEVATION DRAWINGS FOR THE ROOF OVER THE REAR ADDITIONS OF THE 1934 HOME TO ENSURE THE NEW REAR ROOF IS SUBORDINATE TO THE 19 34 2 STORY HOME AND THAT ITS MASSING AND SCALE ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE OVERALL SITE. THREE, THAT THE SITE ADDITION FACING THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHICH WAS THE OLD GARAGE, MAINTAINS A SUBORDINATE ROOF RIDGE HEIGHT AS WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED AND DEMONSTRATED, UH, BEFORE THE FIRE. AND FOR THAT THE CHIMNEYS REMOVED BY THE APPLICANT BE RESTORED AND THE APPLICANT RETURNS WITH PLANS INDICATING THEIR LOCATION ON THE STRUCTURE AND THE CLADDING MATERIALS. AND FOR ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR, UM, SUPPORT OR GO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. CAN I ADD SOMETHING? NO SIR. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I'D LIKE A ROLL CALL VOTE. OH, I'M SORRY. DISCUSSION. YES, I'D, I'D LIKE TO, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A QUESTION DISCUSSION, BUT I, IS IT POSSIBLE, UM, TO SEPARATE OUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATIONS? I, UM, AS, AS PROPOSED ALL FOUR TOGETHER, I, I, I WOULD, UM, NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THE FIRST, UM, RECOMMENDATION. SO IS IT POSSIBLE TO SEPARATE OUT, HAVE ONE SEPARATED AND THEN HAVE A MOTION FOR TWO THROUGH FOUR? UH, YES. SO, UM, I, I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS IF THERE'S CONSENSUS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TWO THROUGH FOUR ARE SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, I BELIEVE YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE, PUSH THOSE TO THE SIDE AND THEN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. UM, SO IF Y'ALL WANNA MAKE A MOTION FOR ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR, UM, AND, AND IF WE NEED TO GO OVER THOSE ONE MORE TIME JUST FOR CLARITY OR WHATNOT, THEN THEN WE CAN, BUT WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE AND THEN DISCUSS ITEM ONE IN A BIT MORE DETAIL. SO ARE YOU ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT? WELL, SO WE HAVE MADE MOTION HAVE A VALID MOTION. SO I MEAN WE HAVE TO HEAR THAT OUT UNLESS JASON WANTS TO REVISE HIS MOTION AND THAT'S ACCEPTED TO EXCLUDE ITEM ONE, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR. NO, I'LL LEAVE IT AS IS. MR. ZER, DO YOU WANNA MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION? UM, I'M OKAY IF, IF THE GROUP WA IF IF WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THAT MOTION AND, AND THEN HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE. SO YOUR, YOUR DISCUSSION IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST TWO TO FOUR TO BE MOVED ON AND ONE TO BE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. CORRECT. BUT, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE WANT TO, UM, MAINTAIN THE EXISTING MOTION ON THE FLOOR AS IS AND I BELIEVE THERE MAY BE A SECOND. THERE IS [01:20:01] A UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE FLORES. AYE. GARCIA? AYE. ZER NAY. FULLERTON. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND VELA. NAY. A CARRIE? MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. SO JUST A REMINDER, OUR REMAINING THREE ITEMS HAVE BEEN POSTPONED AND SO THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA TODAY. OKAY? WE DO NEED TO FORMALLY ADJOURN AT THIS TIME. I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. OH, JUST ADJOURN AT 10 27. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.