* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. UH, JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, LEWIS. ALL. WE'LL GET LEWIS UP THERE REAL QUICK. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODES SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD. TODAY'S SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2024. TURN OVER TO THE CHAIR OR YEAH, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. WELL, YEAH, I'LL DO AN INTERPRETATION YES. ANNOUNCEMENT REAL QUICK. JUST REAL QUICKLY, I'D LIKE TO, UM, ANNOUNCE THE TIME ON THE NINE 11 THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, BEGIN OUR MEETING. PERFECT. WE DO HAVE QUORUM. IS THAT CORRECT, JEREMY? YEAH. THANK YOU. BUENO. THANK YOU. AND WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE INTERPRETERS IF NEEDED. IF, UH, WE RECEIVE NOTIFICATION PRIOR TO THE MEETING START, WE'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE INTERPRETERS AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THESE MEETINGS. UH, SO WE'LL DO A QUICK ROLL CALL. MICHAEL RUST. MARK ROSS LEWIS ROIS. ADRIAN CONTES. MAX HOSFORD. ROBERT HENLEY. HERE. BRIAN SMITH. HERE. JOOS. HERE. KAREN CARPENTER. WILLIAM BURRIS. HERE. JACK UP. MOORE. SALVADOR. GARCIA. HERE. CHRIS ALVARADO. COREY PALMER. HERE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE QUORUM. UH, WE HAVE BOTH BRIAN SMITH AND JOE LAOS. JOOS IS THE ALTERNATE TO BRIAN SMITH. SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE HERE, THE VOTE WILL GO TO YOU. AND, UM, I THINK, UH, THE ONLY AGENDA ITEM WE HAVE FOR KICKING OFF IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM LAST WEEK. MOVE APPROVAL. THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY NEGATIVE? MOTION PASSES. OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIR. WE'LL, UH, TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CRYSTAL GONZALEZ TO GO OVER THE TECHNICAL REVIEW. THE IBC. CONTINUE THAT. GOOD MORNING. DID, DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A COPY OF THE SPREADSHEET? IF YOU HAVE A COPY, IF YOU PRINTED IT YOURSELF? NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN. FILES. I JUST NEED ONE SECOND TO GET THE, UM, DRAFT COPY OF THE AMENDMENTS BACK UP. OH, REAL QUICKLY, SORRY, WA WAS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS I SAW ON THE AGENDA? NONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. FOR THE NUMBERING CONVENTION, I JUST STARTED WHERE WE LEFT OFF SO IT DIDN'T RENUMBER. IN THE FIRST SECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IS THE CHANGE TO 9 0 3 3 1 2. SO THIS IS FOR NFPA 13 R SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. SO WE TYPICALLY SEE THESE, UM, IN HOTELS, APARTMENT COMPLEXES. UH, SO THE CHANGE TO THIS SECTION YOU'LL SEE IN BLUE IS THEY SEPARATE. SO THEY HAVE A, THE NUMBER TWO IS FOR OTHER THAN OUR OCCUPANTS, OUR TWO OCCUPANCIES. SO OTHER THAN THOSE APARTMENT USES TYPICALLY, UM, THAT DID, THAT, THOSE REQUIREMENTS DIDN'T CHANGE. BUT FOR R TWO OCCUPANCIES, IT NOW ALLOWS, UH, A HEIGHT OF 45 FEET. SO IN THE 2021, THERE WAS A BIG CHANGE THAT LIMITED THE USE OF NFPA 13 R SYSTEMS TO 30 FEET. UM, AND THIS WAS, THAT NUMBER WAS TAKEN FROM LIKE WHEN STANDPIPES KICK IN. UH, [00:05:01] BUT IT REALLY RESTRICTED HOW TALL THAT YOU CAN BUILD THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. SO THIS IS A GOOD CHANGE AND IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO ALLOWING THOSE FOUR STORY APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO USE THE 13 R MM-HMM. . EVERYBODY GOOD? ANY QUESTIONS? READY? ALRIGHT. THE NEXT CHANGE THAT YOU'LL SEE IS TO TABLE 10 0 4 0.5. SO THIS IS THE TABLE THAT'S UTILIZED TO CALCULATE OCCUPANT LOAD BASED ON THE FUNCTION OF THE SPACE. AND YOU'LL SEE LIKE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM THERE. WELL, OKAY. IF YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE YOUR BOOK WITH YOU. UM, BUT WE'LL, UM, SEE IT ON THE SCREEN THERE THAT THEY ADDED THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT FACILITIES. SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE DATA CENTERS, UM, OUTTA 300 GROSS OCCUPANT LOAD FACTOR, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE THIS WILL TRIGGER THE NUMBER OF PLUMBING FACILITIES YOU NEED. AND THOSE, THOSE USES DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THEM, BUT THEY'RE BIG A LOT OF SPACE. SO CALCULATING THAT OCCUPANT LOAD COULD TRIGGER MORE PLUMBING FIXTURES AND THEY'RE REALLY NECESSARY. WE NEVER SEE AN ISSUE WITH EXITING CAPACITY, ANY OF THAT. SO JUST KIND OF AN ADD HERE IS A GOOD ADD QUESTIONS OR ISSUES. SO I, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, LIKE IN ONE OF THE MICROSOFT OR WHATEVER IT IS, BIG THINGS WHERE THEY MAYBE HAVE A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH THAT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT I NEED TO DIVIDE THE 50,000 BY 300 TO GET THAT. THERE'S GONNA BE THE EQUIVALENT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING, OF WHICH THERE'S PROBABLY ONLY FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE IN THAT WHOLE BUILDING. YES. AND SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE THEM PUT IN ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 40 BATHROOM STALLS SOMEWHERE TO SERVICE FIVE BELOW. IT'S NOT QUITE THAT MANY, BUT, UM, SOMETIMES WE SEE A CODE MODIFICATION REQUEST THAT COMES IN AND THE, UH, THE BUILDING CODE DOES ALLOW US TO ADJUST THAT OCCUPANT LOAD BASED ON THE SPECIFIC USE OF THE SPACE. THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. UM, WE'LL SEE THIS A LOT IN SCHOOLS LIKE THE, UM, PRIVATE SCHOOLS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ONE TO 30 RATIO KIDS TO, UH, TEACHERS TO STUDENTS. RIGHT. HERE'S OUR, UM, HERE'S OUR CHARTER, HERE'S OUR CLASS LIST. SO WE CAN, WE CAN BASE IT OFF OF A SPECIFIC USE, BUT THIS IS A GOOD AD BECAUSE WE WOULD NORMALLY LOOK AT IT ONE TO A HUNDRED OR ONE 50. GREAT. BECAUSE THAT WOULD GET YOU 166 PEOPLE. I JUST DID THE MATH AND THERE'S, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE THREE BATHROOMS OR SOMETHING. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S NOT OKAY. IT, IT'S NOT OUTRAGEOUS, BUT IT STILL MAY BE TOO MANY. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE WILL DISCUSS, NUMBER 36. UM, THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO 10 0 8, 2 1. SO JASMINE HAS THE AMENDMENT, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT HERE ON THE SCREEN AND IT'S THERE IN THE TEXT. SO, UM, THIS ITEM IS GETTING CORRECTED IN THE 2027 EDITION, IS WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO MAKE THE CHANGE NOW IN THE 24, UM, IF YOU READ THE TEXT THERE, THAT MEANS OF EGRESS ILLUMINATION SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE FOOT CANDLE ALONG THE WALKING SURFACE. AND WHEN YOU GET INTO THE STAIRS, IT SAYS THAT YOU NEED 10 FOOT CANDLES. WELL, THAT SHOULD REALLY BE AN AVERAGE OF 'CAUSE IT REALLY CAUSED THAT, YOU KNOW, WASTED ENERGY, UM, OVER GLARE. SO IF YOU HAVE A, A LIGHT AT THE TOP LANDING AND A LIGHT AT THE BOTTOM LANDING, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE AN AVERAGE OF 10 FOOT CANDLES OVER THE STAIRWAY, UH, WAS THE INTENT? GOOD? OKAY. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS, UM, A NEW TABLE 10, 10.2 0.4. SO THIS IDENTIFIES, UM, WEAR MANUAL BOLTS, AUTOMATIC FLUSH BOLTS AND CONSTANT LATCHING BOLTS, UH, ON THE INACTIVE LEAF OF THE DOOR WHEN THEY'RE PERMITTED, WHEN THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED. AND WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT HERE JUST TO KIND IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENCE IN THOSE LOCKS. IT'S NOT WORKING. OKAY. IF YOU CAN GO TO TEAMS, OH, BUT IT'S GONNA KICK YOU OUT OF THE, [00:10:05] WELL, THIS TABLE ADDS THAT THE MANUAL BOLT BOLTS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN AN I TWO. SO THOSE ARE HOSPITAL USES, UM, ADDRESSES THE USE OF THE, UH, CONSTANT LATCHING BOLTS IN I TWO AS WELL. UM, AND THE ADDRESS USING THE AUTOMATIC FLUSH BOLTS ON THE INACTIVE LE LEAF. AND IT MAY BE CONFUSING WHAT EACH OF THOSE ARE. CAN YOU GUYS SEE THAT OKAY ON YOUR SCREEN? MM-HMM. , LIKE THAT FIRST ONE, THAT'S THE, AN EXAMPLE OF A MANUAL BOLT. UM, AND THE NUMBER TWO IS THAT MANUAL BOLT MOUNTED FLUSH ON THE DOOR EDGE. SO THIS IS JUST TAKING THAT INFORMATION IN THE LOCKS AND LATCHES AND PUTTING IT INTO THIS TABLE TO WHERE THESE CAN BE USED OR, OR UTILIZED ON THE INACTIVE LEAF SET. GOOD. OKAY. NEXT ITEM. 10, 10, 2 6. THIS IS A NEW EXCEPTION THAT ALLOWS TO, UH, THAT SAYS STAIRWAY DOORS CAN BE LOCKED FROM THE SIDE OPPOSITE THE EGRESS SIDE AS LONG AS THEY'RE CAPABLE OF BEING UNLOCKED UPON THE FAILURE OF THE POWER SUPPLY. SO THIS IS THE, ONCE YOU'RE IN THE STAIRWELL, YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. BUT THIS, UM, THIS IS ONLY PERMITTED WHEN THEY CAN BE UNLOCKED ON THE, ON AN ALARM OR POWER, UH, POWER FAILURE OF POWER SUPPLY. MAKES SENSE. ALRIGHT. TEN, TEN TWO FOURTEEN FOR ELEVATOR LOBBY EXIT ACCESS DOORS. THIS NEW SECTION PERMITS THE LOCKING OF THOSE EXIT ACCESS DOORS FROM THE ELEVATOR LOBBIES, UH, WHERE ALL THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET. SPRINKLER SYSTEM, THEY'RE UNLOCKED UPON THE ACTIVATION OF THE FIRE ALARM OR LOSS OF POWER OR SWITCH FROM THE FIRE COMMAND CENTER. AGAIN, YOU'RE COMING THROUGH IN THE ELEVATOR. ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE ON THIS FLOOR IN THIS USE? JUST SECURITY FEATURES, BUT ALSO MAINTAINING THE SAFETY FEATURES FOR EGRESS IN AN EMERGENCY. JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE EXCEPTIONS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A FIRE COMMAND CENTER. NO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO. THAT IF YOU HAD THAT FIRE COMMAND CENTER, THAT IT WOULD BE CAPABLE OF BEING UNLOCKED, IS HOW I'M READING THAT. IS THAT HOW YOU READ THAT? BECAUSE ON THE, IT DOES SAY ALL THE INTRODUCTION AT THE TOP. IT, IT IMPLIES IT'S, IT'S ALL EIGHT OR NOTHING. LOOK AT THE, UH, MOST APARTMENTS DON'T HAVE OUR TRUE NUMBER FIVE OR OTHER APPROVED LOCATION. SO YOU COULD HAVE A SECURITY STATION OR A LOBBY, UM, RECEPTION DESK. SOMETIMES THERE'S, SO COULD IT BE IN AN EQUIPMENT ROOM IF YOU ALL APPROVE IT? IT IMPLIES THAT IT'S GOTTA BE MANUAL. IT IMPLIES THAT IT HAS TO BE MANNED. SO MOST APARTMENT COMPLEXES WILL HAVE THE LEASING OFFICE CLOSED AT FIVE OR SIX. SO THERE'S A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THERE'S NOBODY MANNING THE LEASING OFFICES. IT'S TENANTS ONLY AGREED. THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LOCK THE ELEVATOR, THE ELEVATOR LOBBY PER THIS SECTION, [00:15:01] WHICH IS WHAT THE CURRENT CODE IS RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. THIS IS ALL NEW SECTION ALLOWING THIS PROCESS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? WE WOULD MOST LIKELY NOT APPROVE A, UM, ME A STORAGE ROOM OR A MECHANICAL ROOM TO COMPLY WITH THAT ITEM. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM. 10 13.2. SO CURRENTLY IN THE CODE R ONE OCCUPANCIES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THOSE LOW LEVEL EXIT SIGNS. THIS IS A NEW EXCEPTION THAT SAYS IF THAT R ONE IS SPRINKLER, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO INSTALL THOSE LOW LEVEL EXIT SIGNS. SO THOSE ARE THE ONES ALONG THE, UM, JUST UP FROM THE FLOOR THAT IF THE CORRIDOR WAS FILLED WITH SMOKE, YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE EXIT SIGN. BUT IF YOU HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM, THEN THAT REALLY OFFSETS THAT, UH, SITUATION. EVERYBODY GOOD? OKAY. NUMBER ITEM 41, 10 13 5 1. FOR PHOTOLUMINESCENT EXIT SIGNS, THIS SECTION JUST REQUIRES THAT THOSE EXIT SIGNS BE INSTALLED IN LOCATIONS WHERE THEY RECEIVE ENOUGH LIGHT TO PROPERLY FUNCTION. THE SECTION BEFORE THAT SAYS ELECTRICALLY POWERED SELF LUMIN, LUMINOUS, UM, UH, OR, AND THE PHOTOLUMINESCENT EXIT SIGNS SHALL BE LISTED, UH, AND ILLUMINATED AT ALL TIMES. AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF THEY'RE, IF YOU'RE USING THESE TYPES OF SIGNS, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A, A CHARGING SOURCE. CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. UH, IS THIS ALSO ADDRESSED IN THE NEW NEC? I DON'T BELIEVE THIS ITEM NEEDS A CHARGING SOURCE. WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A REQUIREMENT. THE SECTION BEFORE SAYS IT SHALL BE ILLUMINATED AT ALL TIMES. THIS IS JUST MAYBE NOT EVEN A NEED, BUT JUST TO SAY, HEY, IT, IF YOU'RE GONNA USE THIS TYPE OF SIGN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME CHARGING SOURCE. SO HOW DO YOU, IT'S MARK. HOW DO YOU, HOW DOES, CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS? 'CAUSE MOST OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR, YOU'RE GETTING, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S NON-ELECTRIC AND, AND IT'S ON A WALL AND IT GETS ITS LIGHT FROM WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE ON, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUILDING, WHICH IS NOT THE CHARGING, THE LIGHTING SOURCE WOULD BE THE LIGHT. SO WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS THEY ALL HAVE TO BE ELECTRIC NOW? NO, IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ELECTRIC, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN A DARK STAIRWELL. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO SOURCE IF THE LIGHTS AREN'T ON UNTIL YOU OPEN THE DOOR OR IF, OKAY. BUT IF IT'S, IF, IF IT WAS HERE OVER THERE INSTEAD OF THE EXIT SIGN WHERE THE LIGHTS IN THIS ROOM, OR ON MOST OF THE TIME WHERE YOU HAVE A GLASS EXACTLY FRONT, THAT WOULD BE OKAY? YES. OKAY. AT, AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING, IS IT SUFFICIENT THAT THERE BE A LIGHT SOURCE IN THE ROOM, UH, TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT'S, MAKE SURE YOU SAY YOUR NAME PLEASE. I'D SAY, YEAH. I MEAN, IF THERE'S A LIGHT SOURCE, SORRY, JUST WHAT IF YOU HAVE OCCUPIES RECORD SAL GARCIA. THANKS. SAY, SAY YOUR QUESTION AGAIN. IS IT SUFFICIENT AT TIME OF PERMITTING? SO AT, AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE, WHAT WOULD NEED, WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED? UH, I'M THINKING THAT MAY NOT NOT BE FULLY OCCUPIED, BUT YOU, YOU REQUIRE AN EXIT SIGN. SO THE, THE LIGHT SOURCE MAY BE MINIMAL. AND IF IT'S FIVE FEET AWAY, 10 FEET AWAY, 30 FEET AWAY, WHAT, HOW DO, HOW DOES ONE DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THIS? I WOULD SAY JUST AS LONG AS THERE'S A PLACE, UH, IS THERE SOME FORM OF REQUIREMENT FOR THE MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS OF INSTALLATION THAT GOES INTO THAT? 'CAUSE I ASSUME THERE HAS TO BE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MUCH LIGHT IT'S RECEIVING TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY [00:20:01] FUNCTION AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN APPROVED OR, SO I WOULD ASSUME THE ANSWER WOULD BE PER MANUFACTURER'S INSTALLATION. IF, IF I HAD TO GUESS AT THIS POINT, AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT. WE, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THOSE. IT'S, IT'S VERY RARE THAT WE DO SEE THOSE MAKES MORE SENSE TO KIND OF DO THE ELIMINATED BY OTHER LIGHTING VERSUS ONE THAT'S JUST ABSORBING IT OR ARE USING THE, THE RADIOACTIVE ONES THAT KIND OF STILL PRODUCE THEIR OWN, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE WE'LL SEE PROBABLY MORE THAN, UH, ONES THAT ABSORB THE LIGHT. BUT I THINK IF WE DID COME ACROSS THAT IT WOULD BE VERY RARE ENOUGH THAT WE WOULD KIND OF SCRUTINIZE IT, LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AT IT BY A CASE BY CASE BASIS. I MEAN, DO Y'ALL COME ACROSS MANY OF THESE LIKE NON-ELECTRIC EXIT SIGNS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION? I MEAN, NO. MOST OF THEM ARE RETROFIT APPLICATIONS WHERE YOU CAN'T GET, CORRECT. YEAH, EXACTLY. EVEN IN, AND LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF TIMES IT WOULD BE THEY USE THE LIGHT SOURCE IN THE AREA OR THEY USE THE, UH, RADIOACTIVE ONES THAT STILL PRODUCE THEIR OWN LIGHTING. UH, THEY'RE JUST NOT DONE ELECTRONICALLY OR BATTERY BACKUP, UH, SOME OTHER MEASURES LIKE THAT. IT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A SINGLE TIME WHERE I'VE EVER SEEN ONE OF THESE BEING INSTALLED. YEAH. OKAY. NEXT, ITEM NUMBER 42 IS A NEW SECTION TO 10 14.3. THIS ONE HAS AN EXHIBIT. OH, LOOK AT THAT. YOU GOT IT. SO THIS IDENTIFIES, UH, WELL, IT ADDS THE PARAMETERS FOR HANDRAILS THAT ARE LOCATED, YOU KNOW, OUTWARD FROM THE EDGE OF THE WALKING SURFACE. SO WE PUT A, A QUICK PICTURE UP THERE SO YOU CAN EASILY VISUALIZE THAT THAT HANDRAIL IS, UM, A LITTLE TOO FAR OUT FROM THE WALKING SURFACE. SO THIS JUST GIVES US PARAMETERS FOR WHERE IT SHALL BE INSTALLED. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM. 10 15.8 WINDOW OPENINGS. SO THIS IS FOR GUARDS. SO THIS SECTION WAS REALLY JUST A CHANGE, UM, TO BREAK OUT THE LESS THAN 75 FEET ABOVE GRADE AND MORE THAN ADDED THE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE WINDOWS, UM, THAT ARE REQUIRING EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS. IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF CHANGE, BUT THE CONTEXT IS REALLY STILL THERE. MM-HMM. , IS THERE ANY REFERENCE BACK TO HOW, UH, HOW THE HEIGHT IS MEASURED? YES. UM, FROM FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS, LOWEST LEVEL OF FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS. SO BRIAN SMITH. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THIS IS FOR RESIDENTIAL, FOR LIKE A, ANYTHING ON A SECOND STORY, ANYTHING ABOUT 72 INCHES, SIX FOOT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A, UM, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? DOESN'T ALLOW THE WINDOW TO BE LARGER THAN A FOUR INCH DIAMETER TO GO THROUGH. CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM, . OKAY. YEAH. SO THIS IS FOR R TWO AND R THREE BUILDINGS. MM-HMM. . WELL, IT'S A DEVICE. SO IT, THEY'VE ALREADY HAD IT BEFORE IN CODE. UM, MM-HMM. , THEY JUST WANT YOU, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHEN THEY HAVE THESE WINDOWS THAT HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND ON THE SECOND STORY TO HAVE THE EGRESS, YOU WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ON THERE SO THE KID DOESN'T GO OPEN THE WINDOW AND GO FLYING OUT THE SECOND OR THIRD STORY. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE OFF. IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE, IT NEEDS TO MEET THAT STANDARD. YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD IN THE . WELL, IT'S REALLY SAYING WHEN YOU'RE ABOVE THAT 75 FEET, NOBODY'S RESCUING YOU FROM A WINDOW. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S YES. THAT'S WHERE THE LIMITING DEVICE, UM, IS COMES IN. [00:25:01] BUT NOW IT, THIS IS JOE LOWS, BUT NOW IT'S 72 INCHES. WELL, THAT WA THAT WAS ALWAYS THERE. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK IN THE TOP MARK, RIGHT, BLUE. OKAY. NEXT ITEM, UH, NUMBER 44. THAT'S A CHANGE TO, OR A NEW FOOTNOTE IN A SECTION. NEW FOOTNOTE AND 10 17 IN THE TABLE. 10 17.2. SO YOU CAN SEE FOOTNOTE THAT SAYS SECTION 10 17 2 0.3 FOR INCREASED DISTANCE LIMITATION IN AN H FIVE. SO THIS ALLOWS THE EXIT ACCESS TRAVEL DISTANCE TO, TO BE INCREASED FROM 200 TO 300 FEET IF ALL THOSE CONDITIONS IN 10 17 2 3 ARE MET. SO THIS WAS BASED ON A STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED AND SHOWED THAT IN A, YOU KNOW, GENERIC H FIVE FABRICATION DESIGN THAT, UH, IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE IBC FOR THESE CONDITIONS. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM. THE NEW SECTION. 10 23 72 FOR ROOF ASSEMBLIES. SO THIS IS FOR EXTERIOR EXIT STAIRS AND RAMP EXTERIOR WALLS. CRYSTAL, WHAT'S H THE CATEGORY? WHAT KIND OF USES? SO THAT'S A SEMICONDUCTOR FABRICATION. IT'S A HAZARDOUS, BUT LIKE A LESS HAZARDOUS SEMI. SO FROM CHAPTER THREE, SEMICONDUCTOR FABRICATION FACILITIES AND COMPARABLE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AREAS IN WHICH HAZARDOUS PRODUCTION MATERIALS ARE USED. AND AGGREGATE QUANTITY MATERIALS IN IS IN EXCESS OF THOSE SPECIFIED IN THOSE MAQ TABLES. THANK YOU. OKAY. FOR THOSE ROOF ASSEMBLIES. UM, AND THE SECTION BEFORE, THAT'S, IT'S NOT NEW LANGUAGE. UM, WELL WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT HERE THAT KIND OF SHOWS THIS A LITTLE EASIER. SO THIS IS FOR KIND OF A STEPPED BUILDING. UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THIS SECTION NOW REQUIRES THAT ROOF TO BE RATED 10 FEET OUT FROM WHEN IT'S ADJACENT TO THAT INTERIOR EXIT STAIRS. AND IF THERE'S ANY OPENINGS IN THAT ROOF, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE PROTECTED AS WELL. CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. MM-HMM. . UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE EXHIBIT AND THANK YOU FOR SHOWING IT. HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY HAVE UNPROTECTED OPENINGS IN A STAIRWAY? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, ROBERT. I HAD THE SAME QUESTION, BUT IT HAS TO BE PROTECTED MAYBE IF IT WAS EXISTING. ARE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN THERE'S NO EXTERIOR WALL ON THAT STAIRWELL? IS THAT I'M, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. WHEN IS THE UNPROTECTED OPENING, IS THAT ON THAT ROOF OR THE WALL OR WHEN THERE'S NO EXTERIOR WALL ON THAT STAIRWELL? WELL, WELL IT WOULDN'T THEN, IT WOULDN'T BE AN INTERIOR EXIT STAIR. UM, OH, IS INTERIOR. YEAH. WHICH IS THIS, UM, THIS SECTION, IF WE FIND ONE ROBERT, AN EXAMPLE, WHEN THE INTERIOR EXIT STAIRS NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE PROTECTED OPENINGS, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. THANK YOU CRYSTAL. YEAH. IN AN EXISTING CONDITION. YEAH. EXISTING CONDITION IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN REALLY THINK OF. IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BUILDING THIS NEW BUILDING ADJACENT TO THAT EXISTING BUILDING THAT HAS THE INTERIOR EXIT STAIRS, THEY BE BUILT RIGHT NEXT MM-HMM. , YOU COULD HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS, [00:30:01] TWO BUILDINGS NEXT DOOR, ONE'S LOWER THAN THE OTHER. YES. MM-HMM, . NOW YOU GOTTA RATE THE ROOF CRYSTAL. THE ROBERT HAMLEY. I THINK THE CODE ADDRESSES ALL OF THIS, BUT THE ILLUSTRATIONS IN ERROR, YOU LIKE THAT? THE ILLUSTRATIONS, IT DEFINITELY HELPS 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO READ THIS SECTION SEVERAL TIMES TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT, WHAT IT'S TELLING YOU CAN. YES, EXACTLY. OKAY. NEXT. ITEM NUMBER 46. SO THIS WAS A NEW EXCEPTION FOR 10 29 0.3 CONSTRUCTION AND OPENINGS. SO THIS ALLOWED, UM, SO THIS CHANGE ADDS THAT EXCEPTION TO ALLOW THE, WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE OPENING PROTECTION FROM OPENINGS IN WALLS ADJACENT TO THOSE EGRESS COURTS WHERE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO TWO SEPARATE PATHS. I KNOW, ROBERT, YOU WERE, UM, ASKING ABOUT THIS ONE. LET ME SEE IF THEY HAVE A NICE LITTLE EXHIBIT HERE. LOOK AT THAT. SO THIS, UM, EGRESS COURT, WE DON'T, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THESE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS CLOSE TOGETHER OR LIKE A U-SHAPED BUILDING AND YOU'RE EXITING FROM THERE, THAT THAT AREA IS AN EGRESS COURT, UH, THIS IS PRETTY UNIQUE SCENARIO. UNLESS YOU GO TO BRIAN'S CHURCH, THEN YOU WILL SEE IT. YEAH. SO AS LONG AS YOU ONE, YOU HAVE TWO MORE, TWO OR MORE EXITS OUT OF THAT COURTYARD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RATE THOSE OPENINGS AROUND THAT, UH, EGRESS COURT. SO THIS IS A GOOD OPTION. OKAY, NEXT ITEM. THIS IS A CHANGE TO 10, 30.9 0.5. SO THEY REALLY TOOK OUT, THEY TOOK OUT THIS 16 ROWS AND THEY JUST HAD EVERYTHING LESS THAN 20 FEET OR MORE THAN 20 FEET ON THOSE DEAD END AISLES. SO THIS IS OUR MOVIE THEATERS, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS IN THEATERS, THIS A LITTLE CONVOLUTED AS WELL, BUT THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO ELIMINATE ANY CONFUSION ON THE IN-BETWEEN, SO THE EXCEPTION NOT GREATER THAN 20, OR IF YOU ARE MORE THAN 20. UH, PREVIOUSLY IT SAID 16 ROWS, WHICH IS LIKE 50 TO 60 FEET. UM, SO REALLY THIS WAS TO ELIMINATE THAT, UH, IN BETWEEN, WELL, WHAT IF YOU'RE 30 FEET DEAD END, 30 FOOT DEAD END AISLE, AND THEN ADDED EXCEPTION NUMBER THREE FOR THOSE DEAD END AISLE SERVING FEWER THAN 50 SEATS, UH, JUST KICKS YOU TO THE PREVIOUS SECTION. SO THEY'RE MAKING IT SMALLER. THEY, IT'S, IT'S TO ALLOW MORE BECAUSE THERE, NOBODY KNEW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT IN BETWEEN LIKE IF YOU WERE MORE THAN 20 FEET, BUT LESS THAN 16 ROWS. YEAH. BUT A LOT OF, A LOT OF 'EM NOW TO SAVE THE SECOND AISLE ARE SOME OF THE NEW CONVERTED THEATERS. THEY HAVE SEATS, SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES UP AGAINST THE WALL, WHICH WOULD BE A DEAD END. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM NUMBER 48. THIS WAS A CHANGE TO 10 31 0.2. SO 10 31 IS THOSE EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS ADDS THAT LAST SENTENCE TO ALLOW EGRESS THOSE EGRESS OPENINGS TO OPEN INTO AN EGRESS BALCONY THAT LEADS TO A PUBLIC WAY. THERE MAY BE A PICTURE ON THIS ONE. [00:35:04] OH, MAYBE IT WAS JUST NOT WHEN I WAS LOOKING IT UP. GOOD. OKAY. THAT IS IT FOR CHAPTER 10. UH, SO WE WON'T GO OVER THESE CHANGE THESE CHAPTER 10 CHANGES WITH THE IFC, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE CHAPTER 10 IS, IS BASICALLY THE SAME IN THE IBC AND THE IFC. SO WE WON'T, IF WE APPROVE THEM HERE, WE DON'T MESS WITH. CORRECT. AND WE DON'T ADOPT CHAPTER 11 FOR ACCESSIBILITY. SO THAT GETS US ONTO CHAPTER 12 FOR INTERIOR ENVIRONMENT 1202 0.3 IS THE FIRST CHANGE THAT WE SEE TO THAT TABLE. SO FIRST THING YOU MAY NOTICE IS THAT THIS, THERE'S AN ERR ERATA TO THIS SECTION, THIS TABLE. SO THAT SECOND COLUMN, FIRST COLUMN IS CLIMA ZONE. SECOND COLUMN SHOULD BE MINIMUM R VALUE OF AIR IMP PERMEABLE AND PERMEABLE INSULATION EXPRESSED AS A PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL R VALUE. SO THIS IS, THIS IS GREAT. SO THEY CHANGED, LIKE FOR OUR CLIMATE ZONE, UM, OR THAT SECOND ROW AND R FIVE TO NOW 10%, WHAT WAS IT BEFORE R FIVE? DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, FEEDBACK ON THIS ONE? YEAH, SO THEY SAID THIS IS NOT A COST INCREASE. AND THE PROPONENT JUST THAT THEY SAID THAT THIS SHOULD BE EXPRESSED AS A, AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL R VALUE. UM, IT'S INTENDED TO MINIMIZE THE SURFACE TEMPERATURE AT THE INTERFACE BETWEEN THE IMPERMEABLE AND PERMEABLE PERMEABLE INSULATION. JUST TO AVOID THAT CONDENSATION. NO, IT'S NOT. OH YEAH, IT'S IN THERE. MM-HMM, . OKAY. NEXT. ITEM NUMBER 50. THIS WAS A NEW SECTION OF 1208 0.3 FOR DWELLING UNIT SIZE. SO IT STANDARDIZES THE MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL DWELLING UNITS. CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HAMLEY. MM-HMM. , WHAT IN THE DEFINITION OF DWELLING UNIT, IS IT A COMPLETE INDEPENDENT UNIT OR IS IT LIKE A BEDROOM? OH, IT IS NOT A BEDROOM. IT HAS TO HAVE ALL FIVE. SO DWELLING UNIT, A SINGLE UNIT PROVIDING COMPLETE INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES FOR ONE OR MORE PER PERSONS INCLUDING PERMANENT PROVISIONS FOR LIVING, SLEEPING, EATING, COOKING, AND SANITATION. SO BASICALLY A HOTEL ROOM WOULD'VE TO BE MORE THAN 90 SQUARE FEET IF IT'S, IF IT'S LIKE A EXTENDED STAY. IF IT'S INTENDED TO BE A DWELLING UNIT, THEN YES. SO HAS ANYBODY CHECKED WITH LIKE THE TINY HOME INDUSTRY TO SEE IF THEY'RE BUILDING LESS THAN 190 SQUARE FEET? BECAUSE THEY STACK 'EM, RACK 'EM AND EVERYTHING IS, UH, THERE AND I KNOW THE CITY. YEAH. WELL, BUT SOME, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THAT MAY BE SMALLER IN THE CITIES GETTING INVOLVED IN FUNDING THAT STUFF NOW FOR HOMELESS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE. AND I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT, UH, PROHIBITING WHATEVER THEY'RE BUYING RIGHT NOW TO PUT, UH, SO IF WE CAN JUST, I, I DON'T WANT TO DELAY IT, BUT IF, IF SOMEBODY COULD JUST VERIFY THAT THE CITIES ARE ABOVE THAT 190 SQUARE FEET WHERE THEY'RE HOUSING PEOPLE, WE'LL [00:40:01] LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE IRC. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW, TINY HOMES STILL HAVE TO MEET THOSE MINIMUM DIMENSIONS OF A BEDROOM, 70 SQUARE FEET. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, DO THEY HAVE AN OVERALL DIMENSION? IT'S JUST FOR, UM, THE HAVE SPACE? YEAH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. WHEN, WHEN THEY PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER, I JUST THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY'S BUYING 180 SQUARE FEET, ONE, BASICALLY WE'RE GONNA PROHIBIT IT BY THE NEW CODE. AND SO, AND BECAUSE THEY ARE, THAT'S FOR IRS. IRC DOESN'T HAVE AN OVERALL, WOULD IT NOT BE COVERED BY THIS AT ALL BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IRC OR YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, BUT THAT IRC TO SEE, YEAH, BUT WE DIDN'T, I DON'T RECALL THAT. UM, THIS ITEM WAS NOT A CHANGE. THERE WA THERE WAS NOT A CHANGE TO THE OVERALL DWELLING UNIT SIZE IN THE IRC. SO THIS WAS ALREADY REQUIRED. OKAY. UH, THE NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 51. SO THIS IS A NEW SECTION THAT SPECI ADDS REQUIREMENTS FOR SMOOTH, HARD NONABSORBENT SURFACES AROUND ADULT CHANGING TABLES. SO THIS SECTION IS NOT REQUIRING ADULT CHANGING TABLES, BUT IT SAYS WHERE THEY ARE INSTALLED, UM, THEY HAVE TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. THE NEXT ITEM NUMBER 52 12, 10 0.4, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD THIS AMENDMENT. THIS ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED IN 2020 TO REQUIRE BABY CHANGING STATIONS. UM, AND WE'RE JUST, WE MISSED IT LAST CYCLE. SO WE'RE PUTTING IT IN OUR AMENDMENTS NOW. IT'S STILL ENFORCEABLE. IT'S A CITY APPROVED ORDINANCE. UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE BEEN ENFORCING IT, BUT WE JUST LIKE TO BRING IT INTO THE CODE AS WELL. DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT ONE. DO YOU HAVE THE, UM, OR CHAPTER 10? SO FOR OUR GROUP, A GROUP M HOSPITAL, CITY OWNED BUILDINGS, IT'S REQUIRED AND THEN THOSE EXISTING OCCUPANCIES WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW RESTROOM OR EXPANDING IT BY 50 SQUARE FEET OR MORE. SO AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE, WELL, THIS HAS BEEN A REQUIREMENT SINCE THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED IN 2020. GOOD. EVERYBODY GOOD? OKAY. ITEM 53. THIS IS, CAN I GO AHEAD. SO IF SOMEBODY IS PUTTING IN AN ADULT, CHANGING A BABY, CHANGING WANTS TO DO AN ADULT, CAN THEY DO A COMBO DEAL WHERE THEY'RE BOTH, AND I THINK MAYBE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEHOW WE, WE ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE IF THEY PUT IN THE ADULT ONE, IT SHOULD COMPLY WITH WHAT THE BABY CHANGING STATION IS, WHERE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A SECOND ONE OR TO MEET THE BABY. YEAH, THEY WOULD JUST PUT ON THE PLAN THAT THIS IS A CHANGING STATION. STATION. MM-HMM, . OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. ITEM 53. THIS IS A NEW SECTION 1211 FOR YOU, THE GERMICIDAL ERADIATION SYSTEMS WHERE THEY'RE INSTALLED, THEY HAVE TO MEET THIS UL REQUIREMENT. WOULD THAT APPLY TO, UH, LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE PORTABLE THAT WALK INTO THE ROOM? THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S PERMANENT IN NATURE? YEAH. WHEN I WAS DOING RESEARCH ON THIS AND EVERYTHING I SAW WAS THESE WERE PERMANENTLY INSTALLED SYSTEMS. I LIKE THE ONE THAT'S MADE IN SAN ANTONIO THAT'S BEEN SOLD ALL OVER THE WORLD WHERE IT'S [00:45:01] A ROBOT THAT WALKS AROUND THE ROOM. YEAH, WE WOULD NOT, UM, IT'S, THERE'S, IT'S AN FF AND E MARK . WE WOULD NOT REGULATE THAT ROBOT. OKAY. MOVING RIGHT ALONG IN NUMBER 54, THIS WAS A NEW, NEW SECTIONS TO 14 0 2 5 FOR VERTICAL AND LATERAL FLAME PROPAGATION. THIS PROPOSAL ASSISTS USERS OF THE CODE BY PROVIDING REFERENCES TO ALL THE RELEVANT SECTIONS OF CHAPTER 14 AND CHAPTER 26 CONTAINING SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR EXTERIOR WALL ASSEMBLIES THAT NEED TESTING PER NFPA 2 85. SO THAT'S JUST BRINGING IN ALL OF THOSE CODE REQUIREMENTS, UM, INTO CHAPTER 14. MANY OF THESE WERE ALREADY INCLUDED, SOME IN CHAPTER 26 FOR PLASTICS, BUT IT'S CONSOLIDATING THEM ALL HERE, ADDING, UM, LIKE THE 14 0 2 5 2 FOR METAL COMPOSITE MATERIAL. THAT'S A NEW ONE. AND THEN MOVING ALONG TO 14 0 2 7, ALSO NEW SECTIONS. UM, 2 7 14 0 2 7 AND EIGHT. AGAIN, SPECIFYING THE EXTERIOR WALL VENEER MANUFACTURED USING A COMBUSTIBLE ADHESIVE HAS TO BE, UM, HAS TO ALSO MEET THE CRITERIA OF NFPA 2 85, WHICH IS THE FIRE TEST METHOD FOR EXTERIOR WALLS. CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HELEY. MM-HMM. . SO YOU BUILD A BUILDING AND YOU PUT A VENEER ON IT. HOW DO YOU TEST WHETHER THE, UH, ADHESIVE IS COMBUSTIBLE AFTER IT'S INSTALLED? OH, NOT AFTER IT'S INSTALLED. I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT IT'S INSTALLED, SO THERE'S NO WAY OF TESTING WHETHER THAT PRODUCT, SO WE NEED THE PRODUCT INFORMATION TO SHOW THAT IT HAS BEEN TESTED. AND THAT'S AT THE TIME OF SUBMITTAL, CORRECT? YES. WE SURE HOPE IT'S AT THE TIME OF SUBMITTAL AND YOU DON'T JUST GO INSTALL IT AND YOU'LL HAVE TO HIRE WILLIAM TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND IT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD WITH ITEM 54, 55, 56. DO YOU GUYS NEED ANOTHER MINUTE TO LOOK OVER ALL OF THOSE ADDITIONS? SO WOULD THE ENGINEER OR THE ARCHITECT JUST LIST WHAT PRODUCTS BEING USED AND CERTIFY THAT IT MEETS THE STANDARD? OR DO YOU WANT THE WHOLE LIKE SHEET? WE, WHAT'S THAT? SO WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE ENGINEER ARCHITECT TO SPECIFY THAT IT MEETS THAT NFPA. IS THAT SOMETHING? WELL, ROLAND JUST, UM, WALKED OUT, BUT, UM, IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO FIELD VERIFY THEM, WE WOULD REQUIRE THOSE, UH, MANUFACTURERS SPECIFICATIONS IN THE FIELD. CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DOES REQUIRE AT THE TIME OF INTAKE FOR SUBMITTAL OF DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS. SO IT SHOULD BE COVERED IN THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE, THAT ARE SUBMITTED WITH THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS. AGREED. IT SHOULD BE, YEAH, THE QUESTION ASK FOR. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. WE ARE JUST CRUISING ALONG. WE ARE AT THE ONE HOUR MARK. EVERYBODY GOOD? IS EVERYBODY OKAY OR BREAK? OKAY. NUMBER 57. SO THIS IS MATERIALS FOR EXTERIOR WALLS. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE CHANGE TO 1403 0.2 FOR THE WATER RESISTANT BARRIER BARRIER. UM, SO THIS IS REALLY JUST COORDINATING THE IBC WITH WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE IRC TO ENSURE THE WATER RESISTANT BARRIER IS CONTINUOUS AND WILL PROVIDE A MEANS FOR DRAINING THE WATER THAT ENTERS THE ASSEMBLY. SO JUST BRINGING OVER SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE [00:50:01] ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. MM, THAT'S, OH, YEAH. OKAY. NEXT TO ITEM NUMBER 58. THIS WAS A NEW SECTION OF 14 0 3 14. AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE IRC. UM, NOW THE STANDARD, UH, THIS, OH, TO BRING IT INTO THE IBC, THEY WANTED THIS STANDARD TO INCLUDE THE A-S-T-M-E 84 TEST. SO FOR INSULATED VITAL VINYL SIDING, THEY'RE ALLOWING THIS, UM, PRODUCT, THIS MATERIAL PER THE IBC. NOW, CRYSTAL, THIS LEWIS FARIS, WHAT IS THE, UH, A-S-T-M-E UH, 84 TEST? THAT IS THE CORNER FIRE TEST. WHAT'S THE, IS THERE A BETTER NAME FOR IT? WILLIAM FLAME SPREAD. THANKS. IT IS VERY COMMON TEST THAT, UH, THAT MANY PRODUCTS ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THAT STANDARD. SO THE, IN THE REFERENCE STANDARD STANDARD FOR TEST METHODS OF SURFACE BURNING CHARACTERISTICS OF BUILDING MATERIALS. OKAY. NEXT. ITEM NUMBER 59. THIS IS A NEW SECTION 14 0 4 4 1 4 FOR ADMINISTRATION FLASHING. CAN YOU GO BACK UP TO THE ONE THAT WAS IN BEFORE WE GET TO THAT ONE ABOUT, IS THAT A NEW REQUIREMENT, ? YEAH. SO THAT'S JUST REALLY, WE WILL COVER THAT ON ITEM 67. THAT NEW SECTION 1412. YEAH, THIS IS JUST POINTING TO THAT NEW SECTION. GOOD CATCH. I, I KNEW THAT WOULD COME UP CRYSTAL. THIS RUBBED HAMLEY. SO 1404 0.4 0.1 FENESTRATION FLASHING. THOSE THINGS THAT USED TO BE INDUSTRY STANDARD IN THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY ARE NOW BEING ORDINANCE OR DICTATED OR JUST MAKING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS LIABLE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CODE NOW. WELL, THAT'S NOT HOW I WOULD SAY IT, BUT SEE WHAT STANDARD. SO THIS, IT DOES SAY THAT IT'S A CLARIFICATION OF CURRENT ACCEPTED PRACTICES AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE IRC. OH. IF YOU MAKE SURE, UM, USE THE MICROPHONE WHEN WE'RE TALKING, SORRY. UH, WE DO WANT TO USE THAT. AND ALSO MAKE SURE YOU SAY YOUR NAME PLEASE. OKAY, SO THAT WAS 14 0 4 4 1. EVERYBODY GO WITH THAT FOR THE FENESTRATION FLASHING. OKAY. 14 0 4 15 TO A NEW SECTION AND TABLE FOR THE INSULATION OVER FOAM PLASTIC INSULATING SHEETING, SHEATHING. I FORGOT A L THERE. SO AGAIN, COORDINATING THE IBC WITH THE IRC ADDING IN THE STANDARD FOR VINYL SIDING. [00:55:22] SO I DID IDENTIFY THIS, THIS CHANGE IS IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL COST INCREASE. UM, IT WILL CAU INCREASE THE COST FOR THE VINYL SIDING ON TOP TYPE FIVE BUILDINGS. SO THAT'S COMBUSTIBLE CONSTRUCTION, UM, BY REQUIRING A HIGHER WIND PRESSURE RATED VINYL SIDING WHEN APPLIED OVER THAT FOAM SHEATHING. BUT NO COST INCREASE FOR OTHER TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION. IT'S SMART. ARE YOU FINDING A LOT OF PEOPLE USING VINYL SIDING AT ALL ANYMORE? N BRIAN SMITH, JUST ON SMALL RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS, RENOVATIONS FOR SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN EXISTING, UM, AT LEAST IN THIS AREA THAT RARELY DID ANYTHING NEW. YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SPECIAL IN, ESPECIALLY IN THE COMMERCIAL, UH, USES, BUT THEY DID MAKE IT A POINT TO MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES. SO MAYBE IT'S COMING BACK AND THIS IS NATIONAL, SO IT WOULD BE MORE OF THE NORTHEAST AND THAT KINDA STUFF WHERE THEY DO USE QUITE A LOT OF ITS STUFF. OKAY. UM, NUMBER 61. THIS IS A NEW SECTION. 61 AND 62. 1404 POINT 18 AND 19. SO 18 IS THAT POLYPROPYLENE SIDING? NOT SURE THAT WE ARE SEEING MUCH OF THIS EITHER. JUST REALLY BRINGS IN THOSE INSTALLATION REQUIREMENTS. INSTALLATION AND FASTENER REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT SIDING. AND FOR THE FIBER MAT REINFORCED SEIUS BACKER UNITS, CEMENT CEMENTITIOUS, JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL OPTIONS TO THE CODE FOR EXTERIOR WALLS AND SOME GUIDANCE FOR COMPLIANCE AND INSTALLATION. OKAY, NUMBER 63. SO NEW EXCEPTIONS TO 14 0 5, 1 0.1 FOR TYPES 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR HEAVY TIMBER CONSTRUCTION. SO IT ADDED IN THAT HEAVY TIMBER. SO THESE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO COMBUSTIBLE EXTERIOR WALL COVERINGS, UM, THAT CAN EXCEED THAT 40 FEET LIMITATION. SO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, THESE ARE FOUR EXCEPTIONS TO THAT. 40 FOOT LIMITATION. ALL RIGHT, NUMBER 64, SECTION 14 0 7 5. EXTERIOR WALLS OF BUILDINGS OF ANY HEIGHT. SO THIS IS FOR EFIS, EXTERIOR INSULATION AND FINISH SYSTEMS. UM, IT JUST KIND OF IS A POINT OR TWO. SECTION 26 0 3 0.5 FOR PLASTICS. NOT REALLY A BIG CHANGE HERE. JUST WANTED TO IDENTIFY IT IS ALL IN BLUE. I WAS THINKING MIKE WAS GONNA BE HERE, SO I PREPARED FOR THAT. OKAY. 1409 INSULATED METAL PANEL. IT'S ALSO A NEW DEFINITION FOR THIS. I INCLUDED IT IN THAT SUMMARY ON YOUR SPREADSHEETS. YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF BLUE HERE, THIS WHOLE NEW SECTION. SO THAT INSULATED METAL PANEL, A FACTORY MANUFACTURED PANEL CONSISTING OF METAL FACINGS AND AN INSULATION CORE INTENDED FOR USE AS A SYSTEM FORMING AN EXTERIOR WALL. AN EXTERIOR WALL COVERING A ROOF COVERING OR ROOF ASSEMBLY OF A BUILDING. SO NEW MATERIAL, RIGHT? CO CODES KIND OF CATCHING UP [01:00:01] AND SAYING HERE, IF YOU WANNA USE THIS MATERIAL FOR EXTERIOR WALL, EXTERIOR WALL COVERINGS, ROOF ASSEMBLY, HERE'S WHAT YOU GOTTA DO. SOMETHING THAT HAS METAL ON THE OUTSIDE OR SOMETHING. EXACTLY. ALSO REFERRED TO AS A-C-M-A-C-M TWO. THE A, UH, ALUMINUM COMPOSITE. OH, ALUMINUM. GOTCHA. WELL, I'LL BRING IT UP RIGHT NOW. OKAY, SECTION 1411. ALSO NEW FOR THOSE BUILDING INTEGRATED PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEMS FOR EXTERIOR WALL COVERINGS AND FENESTRATION. UM, THIS IS PRETTY NEAT. SO YOU CAN USE SOLAR PANELS FOR YOUR EXTERIOR WALLS, THEN YOU'LL HAVE NEW PROBLEMS DRIVING DOWN I 10. SO JUST THAT, UM, THOSE INSTALLATIONS HAVE TO MEET THESE UL UL LISTINGS. OKAY, NUMBER 67, NEW SECTION FOUR 12. SO FOR THE SOFFITS AND FACIES AT ROOF COVERINGS, IT'S THE CLARIFY, THE REQUIRED WIND, WIND PERFORMANCE OF THOSE SOFFITS AND FASCIA BY SPELLING OUT THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. . SO DEPENDING ON WHAT MATERIALS YOU'RE USING, THERE'S THE INSTALLATION. AND, UM, WELL THE, REALLY THE WIND DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, WE WANT SEE THE PICTURE I WANNA SEE UNDERNEATH IT WITH RIGHT UNDERNEATH. OH, SORRY, SORRY. THERE YOU GO. OH, YOU, YOU CAN'T SCROLL ON YOUR SCREEN. OKAY, NOW WE ARE IN CHAPTER 15, ROOF ASSEMBLIES AND ROOFTOP STRUCTURES. FIRST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT WE SEE, YOU'LL SEE IN NUMBER 68 TO SECTION 1504 0.4 0.4 SLATE. SHINGLES NEW SECTION PROVIDES GUIDANCE ON, UH, THE WIND RESISTANCE OF THOSE SLATE ROOF COVERINGS. IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ADDRESSED. SO THE WIND RESISTANCE TESTING HAS TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT A STM STANDARD. THANK BRIAN SAID IT WAS OKAY. YES, YES. THANK YOU, MARK. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 69. THIS IS A REVISED SECTION 1507. LET ME GET THERE. I STILL USE MY HARD COPY. 1.1 1507 1.1. YES, IT IS THE TABLE. DID I, I UPDATED THAT I THINK ON THE, MY DIGITAL COPIES. SO SORRY, THERE WAS A MINOR CHANGE. NOPE, I DIDN'T, NEVERMIND. BUT THIS IS, THIS IS PRIOR, UH, NO, THERE WEREN'T, THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF CHANGES FOR OUR AREA. 'CAUSE YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, EVERYTHING LOOKS BLUE, BUT EVERYTHING WAS NOT CHANGED. SO WE'LL JUST BE LOOKING IN THAT COLUMN FOR THE MAXIMUM WIND SPEED OF LESS THAN 130 MILES AN HOUR. SO IN THAT ONE, [01:05:01] UM, YOU, UH, CAN WE CLICK ON THE CODE CHANGE MAYBE IN THIS SECTION BEFORE AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE ITEMS REALLY WEREN'T MODIFIED. I WANNA SHOW YOU THIS VIEW AGAIN. I WAS THINKING MIKE WAS GONNA BE HERE, SO I WAS READY THAT THE UNDERLYING, WHAT'S THAT MICHAEL ACTS NEXT WEEK TO GO BACK TO IT AND EXPLAIN. I'LL SEND HIM THE SPREADSHEET. UH, 24. THERE YOU GO. SO YOU'LL SEE ACTUALLY THE VERBIAGE THAT WAS CHANGED. SCROLL DOWN TO THOSE TABLES, THE NEXT ONE THERE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COLUMN ON THE LEFT. SO YOU SEE THERE WERE VERY MINOR CHANGES. REALLY THOSE CHANGES WERE PERTAINING TO AREAS WHERE THE WIND SPEED EXCEEDS THAT 130 MILES AN HOUR GOES MM-HMM. , IT WAS A LOT OF BLUE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COVERED IT. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, RYAN? NOPE. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANKS, CHRIS. OKAY, ITEM 70 15, 0 7 0.8 0.1. SO THE DECKING REQUIREMENTS, THIS IS FOR WOOD SHINGLES. AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM, UH, WOOD SHAKES. THIS WAS REALLY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KEEP IN THAT AIR GAP. MM-HMM, FOR THE WOOD, WOOD SHINGLES AND WOOD SHAKES. OKAY, NEXT TO ITEM 15 0 7, 16 9, THAT'S FLASHING. AND THEN ALSO INCLUDED THAT 17 SEVEN IN, THERE'S VERY SIMILAR NEW SECTIONS. ADD GUIDANCE, UM, FOR THE PV SHINGLES AND THE, UH, BUILDING INTEGRATED PV ROOF PANELS. SO JUST SHOWING THAT, UM, THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE MANUFACTURER'S INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS. SO NEW MATERIALS JUST KIND OF, UH, THE CODE IS CATCHING UP, BUT THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FLASHING ON THOSE ROOF TYPES, ROOF COVERING TYPES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 72. THIS WAS A REVISION TO THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR, UM, ROOFTOP STRUCTURES. SO THIS IS FOR PENTHOUSES. IT'S REALLY SAYING THAT THOSE PENTHOUSE EXTERIOR WALLS AND ROOFS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE FIRE RESISTANCE RATING OF THE BUILDING TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE BUILDING. THIS WAS ALWAYS IMPLIED, IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION. SO THAT'S WHY WE SHOWED AS A A NO CONSTRUCTION COST INCREASE. SECTION 15, 11 76 FOR THE LIGHTNING PROTECTION SYSTEMS. SO IT'S JUST REALLY SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO BE INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ROOFING COMPONENT COMPONENT MANUFACTURERS INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE ROOFING SECTION. SO WHEN YOU PUT IN THESE PROTECTION, LIGHTNING PROTECTION SYSTEMS, YOU CAN'T DAMAGE THE EXISTING ROOF OR, OR THE ROOF CONSTRUCTION. SOUNDS LIKE A NO-BRAINER, BUT JUST IN CASE THEY ADDED IT HERE TO THE ROOFING SECTION. ROOF SECTION. NEXT ITEM 15, 11.9. THIS IS, UH, THOSE RAISED DECK SYSTEMS INSTALLED OVER A ROOF ASSEMBLY. JUST SAYING THAT IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THESE NEW SECTIONS FOR THE INSTALLATION. FIRE CLASSIFICATION. UM, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PEDESTALS OR SUPPORT STRUCTURAL HAVE TO [01:10:01] MAINTAIN THE ROOF DRAINAGE. UM, AND THEN ANY ACCESSIBILITY AND EGRESS REQUIREMENTS PER THOSE CHAPTERS. SO WE ARE SEEING THIS MORE AND MORE WITH A AWESOME, YOU KNOW, ROOFTOP ASSEMBLY AREAS. UH, THEY MAY PUT A POOL UP THERE, SO THIS IS A GOOD ADD TO HELP US, UM, JUST MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ROOF REQUIREMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE MAINTAINED. OKAY, WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER 75 FOR NEW EXCEPTIONS TO 1512 0.2 FOR ROOF REPLACEMENT. OH, THIS NEW EXCEPTION SAYS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE THAT SELF ADHERED MEMBRANE. RIGHT? UH, DOES THAT MEAN LIKE EYE SHIELD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UH, YEAH, THAT UNDERLAYMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ICE SHIELD, SELF ADHERED UNDERLAYMENT. WOULD THAT BE OKAY? EYE SHIELD. ALRIGHT. OH, YOU LEARNED OF SOMETHING, BRIAN. THANK YOU. HMM, YOU DON'T. SO IS THIS THE COST OF REPLACING THE ROOF BY ADOPTING THIS SECTION INCREASED? MM-HMM. NO, IT'S SAYING THAT IF IT'S NOT DAMAGED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE IT. SO YOU CAN KEEP IT IN PLACE THERE. 'CAUSE IT MAY, IT MAY CAUSE DAMAGE. TRYING TO REMOVE IT. YEAH, IT'S SELF ADHERED. BRIAN. IT, IT'LL, IT WILL ACTUALLY ATTACH TO THE OSB AND YOU'LL ACTUALLY TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE RESIDENCE AND IT'LL ACTUALLY MAKE THE, UM, DECKING NOT AS. SO, UM, THE REVISION OF 1512 0.3, THAT EXCEPTION, UH, WAS REALLY AL ALREADY THERE IN ITS OWN SECTION. IT JUST WAS ADDED TO, UH, 15, 12.3, BUT LOTS OF BLUE. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COVERED IT IN IDENTIFIED, UH, THAT IT WASN'T A CHANGE IN CODE LANGUAGE OR THE INTENT. OKAY. ITEM THAT'S IT FOR CHAPTER 15. SO CHAPTER 16, STRUCTURAL DESIGN. YOU'LL SEE SOME CHANGES. WE'LL START TO THE TABLE FOR RISK CATEGORY, TABLE 1604 0.5. COUPLE CHANGES TO THE RISK CATEGORY THREE AND THEN A FEW CHANGES TO THE RISK. CATEGORY FOUR. SO THEY ADDED THAT THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC UTILITY FACILITIES THAT PROVIDE POWER GENERATION POTABLE WATER TREATMENT OR WASTEWATER TREATMENT SHOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A RISK CATEGORY FOUR. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BRIAN? NOPE. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. 16 0 4 5 2. SO THAT SAID, PV SYSTEMS HMM, ADDS THAT EXCEPTION. HOLD ON. NO NEW SECTION THAT SPECIFIES THE GROUND MOUNTED AND ELEVATED PV SUPPORT STRUCTURES. UM, THE RISK CATEGORY FOR THOSE. SO IF YOU'RE AT AN R IF YOU HAVE THE GROUND MOUNTED FOR AN R THREE, IT'S A RISK CATEGORY ONE. SO THOSE ARE OUR TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS RISK. CATEGORY TWO INCLUDES GROUND MOUNTED PV SYSTEMS DESCRIBED IN THESE ITEMS. ELEVATED PV SUPPORT SYSTEMS SHALL BE THAT RISK. CATEGORY TWO, FOUR, UH, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX. GO AHEAD. CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. IN YOUR COMMENTS, YOU SAID YOU MADE REFERENCE [01:15:01] TO, LIKE YOU FIND IN SINGLE FAMILY, WE'RE IN THE IBC INSTEAD OF THE IC RIGHT NOW. SO IS THAT APPLICABLE? RARELY. SO BRIAN, UH, YOU DO HAVE THIS AS GONNA BE A COST CHANGE. MM-HMM. , UH, AN EXAMPLE FOR PARKING GARAGES, THAT KIND OF STUFF WHERE THE CITY'S DOING A LOT OF, UM, SOLAR IN ABOVE PARKING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND THAT CHANGES IT TO THIS CATEGORY FOUR. HOW IS THAT GONNA CHANGE FOR PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE IT OR ARE WANTING TO ADD IT? SO IF, IF THEY'RE ALREADY INSTALLED, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS. THERE ARE SOME, LET'S SEE, LIKE NUMBER SIX. SO IF THERE'S, IF IT'S PARKING, IF WHAT WE HAVE HERE WAS PARKING FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THEN IT WOULD BE A RISK CATEGORY FOUR. SO IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH STRICTER, UH, STRUCTURAL DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. WHY, WHY? CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE PARKING A FIRE TRUCK OR A EMS UNDER THAT OR A REGULAR CITY VEHICLE? I MEAN, SO THESE, TO ME, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS ADDING COST TO WHAT THE, WHAT THE CITY IS GONNA HAVE TO PAY BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLY. YOU KNOW? SO A PRIVATE AMBULANCE COMPANY THAT WANTS TO PUT COVERED PARKING AND SOLAR, YOU'RE SAYING THEY WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY PARK A REGULAR CAR UNDER IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING IF THEY PARK A, UH, EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THERE'S A DEFINITION OF WHAT EMERGENCY VEHICLE IS, IS THAT A PRIVATE SECURITY COMPANY'S, UH, YOU KNOW, CAR THAT HAS, SO EMERGENCY VEHICLES DOESN'T LOOK TO BE DEFINED. UM, SO WE WOULD REALLY GO OFF OF, UM, JUST THOSE FIRE TRUCKS. UM, AND AMBULANCE USES. UH, AND THESE ARE REALLY, SO THE RISK CATEGORY FOUR FOR BUILT FOR THOSE STRUCTURES DESIGNED AS ESSENTIAL FACILITIES AND WHERE BUILDINGS, THE, THE LOSS OF THAT FUNCTION WOULD PRESENT A SUBSTANTIAL HAZARD TO THE USERS, RIGHT? SO IF, IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY AND MAYBE IT'S A HURRICANE, AND THOSE ELEVATED STRUCTURES THAT HOLD UP THE SOLAR PANELS WERE DAMAGED AND THEY DAMAGED THOSE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL LOSS TO THE USERS, UM, THAT NEED THOSE FUNCTION EMERGENCY VEHICLES. SO IF CITY WANTED TO BUILD A REGULAR, IT'S MARKED. IF THE CITY WANTED TO BUILD A REGULAR CARPORT THAT DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING ON IT, WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE CATEGORY FOUR DESIGN FOR CARPORTS? NO. NO. NO. SO WHAT'S THE, SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WELL, THAT ADDITIONAL LOAD, UM, THE ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS OF THAT AS WELL. BUT I MEAN, IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOLAR ON TOP OF A CARPORT TO BEGIN WITH, THE LOAD HAS TO BE THE, THE CARPORT HAS TO BE DESIGNED TO CARRY THE LOAD REGARDLESS. JUST THE, THE, THE BASIC LOAD. YES. YEAH, OF COURSE. AND SO WHAT I GO BACK TO MY QUESTION. IF, SO, IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THEIR, ALL THEIR FIRE STATIONS WANTED TO BUILD CARPORTS TO PARK THEIR AMBULANCES UNDER, WHERE DID THOSE COME? WOULD THEY HAVE TO MEET THE CATEGORY FOUR DESIGN STANDARDS? AND IF THEY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS NO, WHAT'S DIFFERENCE IF THE CARPORT HAS A SOLAR COMPONENT ON TOP OF IT, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT ROOF STRUCTURE. YOU'RE SAYING SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT YOU CAN USE THE SOLAR PANELS TO BE, YOU KNOW, OUT EXTERIOR RURAL AND ROOF SURFACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I, I JUST THINK YOU'RE ADDING EXPENSE TO WHAT THE CITY HAS TO DO. AND I THINK SOLAR IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS TO ENCOURAGE. CRYSTAL, THIS IS LEWIS FROCK. THE, UH, CHANGE IN THAT IS THE RISK CATEGORY, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND WHAT THAT AFFECTS PRIMARILY IN DESIGN IS WIND LOADS, UH, GRAVITATIONAL LOADS, LIVE LOADS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE DO NOT CHANGE. SO YOUR MODIFICATION OF THE WIND IS PROBABLY GONNA BE MINIMAL, UH, WITHIN FIVE, 10% OF YOUR INITIAL DESIGN. OKAY. AWESOME. CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. I I BELIEVE THAT YOUR, UH, SOLAR PANEL CARPORTS OUT HERE WEST OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 'CAUSE I KNOW WHO, WHO PUT 'EM IN THE SOLAR PANELS ARE THE ROOF OF THE CARPORTS. THEY'RE NOT AN ADDITION TO THE TOP OF THE CARPORTS. [01:20:04] OKAY. DID YOU HAVE A, A QUESTION THAT THIS IS ELEVATED. THIS IS ELEVATED PV SUPPORT STRUCTURES. UM, SO THAT WOULD OR PV, THOSE PV PANEL SYSTEMS OR THE ELEVATED PV SUPPORT STRUCTURES. SO THEY STILL WOULD FALL UNDER A RISK CATEGORY, BUT WE ARE NOT PARKING EMERGENCY VEHICLES. SO IT, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PARKING LOT. ARE YOU SAYING THAT, THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PARKING LOT WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THIS SECTION FOR RISK CATEGORY? CORRECT. IF YOU HAD AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE THAT RIGHT? MM-HMM, THERE IS A DEFINITION FOR ELEVATED PV SUPPORT SYSTEM. HMM. SO FOR EVERY ONE YOU BUILD, IT'S GONNA COST FIVE OR 10% MORE? YEAH, NOT NECESSARILY. IT DEPENDS ON THIS LIST. OLIS, NOT NECESSARILY. IT DEPENDS ON, UH, THE COMPOSURE OF THE STRUCTURE. IF, UH, THE TALLER IT GETS, THE MORE RIGID, UH, AND, UH, COMPLICATED THE WIND, UH, DESIGN IS, IF IT'S, UH, RELATIVELY SHORT BUILDING ONE, TWO STORIES. THERE'S NO CHANGE. BRIAN MAJOR, YOU HAVE TO USE AN ENGINEER. NORMAL CARPORTS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENGINEER IT. NO. THOSE ARE REQUIRED TO BE ENGINEERED. YEAH, THEY'RE NOW, YES. EVEN WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING ONE AT YOUR HOUSE, WE REQUIRE AN ENGINEER'S LETTER TO COVER THE FRAME AND FOUNDATION INSPECTION. FOUNDATION THEY DO. THIS IS LEWIS AGAIN. UH, THEY DO REQUIRE IT, IF IT'S METAL WOOD, THEY'LL, IT'S METAL. UH, THEY'LL INSPECT IT THEMSELVES IF IT'S METAL. THANK YOU. YOU DO AN ENGINEER. YEAH, I WAS THINKING METAL. THANK YOU. YES. YEAH, GO AHEAD WILLIAM. OKAY. OH, OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? WE WOULD, WE WOULD ADVISE THE CITY NOT TO PARK EMERGENCY VEHICLES UNDER ANY ELEVATED PV STRUCTURES. OKAY. TO PARK 'EM THEREAFTER. THEY'RE ALREADY APPROVED AND BUILT. I DON'T THINK THAT THESE ARE BEING PROPOSED AT ANY FIRE STATIONS OR HOSPITALS. UM, AT LEAST NOT FOR THE CITY, BUT IT'S AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE. COULD BE A POLICE CAR. IT COULD BE A A I MEAN, IT'S MORE THAN JUST THAT. SO IF AT THE, AT THE, AT THE NEW POLICE STATION, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HEADQUARTERS, IF THEY DECIDED TO DO THE SAME THING YOU'RE DOING AND THE CHIEF PARKS HIS CAR UNDER ONE OF THOSE SPOTS, THEN IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY. AND IJI JUST THINK IT'S OVERKILL. SO I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE AMENDED OUT OR CHANGED TO WHATEVER THE LOAD OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, JUST REMOVE THAT SECTION. NUMBER SIX, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO MOVE THAT, REMOVE THAT LIFE SAFETY FEATURE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO REMOVE, UH, LINE NUMBER FOUR ON THE PV ELEVATED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? UH, SORRY, NUMBER SIX. YOU'RE CORRECT. UNDER 16. OH 4.5 0.2. I HAVE A MOTION FOR MARK SECOND CORY PALMER SECOND. SO I HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. ACTUALLY, SO LET'S, LET'S REVIEW IT AGAIN HERE. UH, SO UNDER 1604 0.2 IS WE'RE UH, VOTING TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO STRIKE NUMBER SIX. AND WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO IT BY HANDS AS FAR AS THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO REMOVE, SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR HAND. IT'S I THINK FOUR, CORRECT? MM-HMM, . ALL THOSE OPPOSED? [01:25:01] WHAT'S THE NUMBER? FOUR TO FOUR TO THREE? YEAH, WE HAVE FOUR TO THREE. SO THE EYES TAKE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS THAT, THAT, ONCE AGAIN THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE, FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE. SO THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS WILL GO TO THE FULL BOARD, UH, FOR ANALYSIS. WE'LL PROBABLY HIGHLIGHT THIS ONE AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE. BRIAN. THANK YOU JEREMY. OKAY, ITEM 79, THIS, UH, LOTS OF NEW FIGURES THAT ADDRESS GROUND SNOW LOADS. SO THESE SNOW LOADS ARE BASED ON RISK CATEGORIES, , SO MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE ON YOUR SCREEN. SO FOR RISK CATEGORY ONE, IT SHOWS OUR AREA TO BE, UH, SIX POUNDS PER SQUARE FEET. FOR CATEGORY TWO IT'S EIGHT RISK CATEGORY TWO RISK. CATEGORY THREE IS 10 AND RISK CATEGORY FOUR IS 11. SO THESE ARE UPDATED SNOW LOADS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED IN THE, UH, STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS. IT'S PART OF THE, UH, THIS IS LEWIS , UH, AND IT'S PART OF THE NEW, UH, A SC 7 22. UH, THEY'VE UPDATED, UH, ALL THE LOADS AND THE WIND LOADS AND THE SEISMIC, UH, INFORMATION IN THERE. SO ALL THESE CHANGES IN 16 ARE PRETTY MUCH REFLECTIVE OF, UH, THAT NEW A SC PUBLICATION OR IT'S UM, UH, THOSE LITHIUM BATTERY GENERATED STUFF. OKAY. SO THIS IS ALREADY BEING, IM BEING IMPLEMENTED BY OUR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS. YES. GREAT. YEAH. OKAY. WE ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG. UM, ONE THREE, WE HAVE SEVEN MORE ITEMS SHOWN ON HERE. WE HAVE A FEW ADDITIONAL ONES. UM, SO FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, BUT I'M THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL FINISH UP IBC AND ROLL RIGHT INTO IFC. UH, ON OUR NEXT MEETING IF WE CAN FINISH UP THESE ITEMS. IF NOT, WE CAN ROLL THOSE OVER AS WELL. SO ITEM NUMBER 80, THIS, UH, REVISED FIGURES FOR THE BASIC DESIGN. WIND SPEED 1609 0.3. UM, THESE WERE ALSO UPDATED AS LEWIS MENTIONED FOR THE UH, A SCE 7 22 OR SEVEN AND THE VERSION IS 2022. NOT A WHOLE LOT OF IMPACT TO OUR AREA. LEWIS, ARE YOU SEEING THE, THE SAME THING? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. AND AGAIN, THESE TABLES ARE BASED OFF THE RISK CATEGORIES THAT WE JUST SPOKE OF. THIS IS A SMALL CHANGE, TORNADO LOADS. SO PER THIS TABLE, 1609 0.5, UM, ALL OF TEXAS IS IN A TORNADO PRONE REGION. SO THESE, UM, LOADS WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN. NOT REQUIRED FOR RISK CATEGORY ONE AND TWO BUILDINGS, OR TYPICALLY DON'T GOVERN THE DESIGN CRITERIA AND RISK CATEGORY ONE AND TWO. I AM SORRY, I JUST WANNA CORRECT THAT IT IS FOR JUST RISK CATEGORY THREE AND FOUR BUILDINGS PER 1609 0.5. EVERYBODY GOOD? NO ISSUES. OKAY. ITEM 82. NEW SECTIONS FOR 1609 0.7 [01:30:02] AND 16, 12.2 FOR ELEVATORS, ESCALATORS, AND OTHER CONVEYING SYSTEMS. THIS, THESE SECTIONS JUST REALLY, UM, CLARIFY THAT THE STANDARDS, THE A SCE AND A SME STANDARDS ARE REQUIRED FOR, UH, DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL LOADS AND CONDITIONS. SO IF THESE ARE EXPOSED TO THE OUTDOOR ELEMENTS, UH, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE STANDARDS. CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. SO THE ONLY IF THESE DEVICES CONVEYING DEVICES ARE EXPOSED TO THE EXTERIOR, CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT IS 16 0 9 7. MOST SPECIFICALLY, MOST EXTERIOR ELEVATORS I'VE SEEN HAVE ALWAYS ENCLOSED WITH THE GLASS ENCLOSURE, SO THEREFORE IT WOULDN'T APPLY. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. AND THIS IS THE WIND DESIGN. SO IF THEY'RE, UM, EXPOSED TO THAT, THAT IMPACT, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE A SCE SEVEN. SO CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE TOWER OF THE AMERICA ELEVATORS WITH A, HUH. YEAH, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THOSE ARE EXPOSED TO THE OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENTS 'CAUSE THERE'S A GLASS PANEL ALL THE WAY UP TO THE OUTSIDE. THE CHANGE TO SECTION 1611 FOR RAIN LOADS REALLY JUST IS, IS UPDATED TO ALIGN WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A SC SEVEN. SO AGAIN, ALL OF ALL OF THESE ITEMS ARE PART OF THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN. SO THERE'S WHERE YOU'LL, UH, TABLE 16, 11.1 IS WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENTIATION OF THE RISK CATEGORIES AGAIN AND HOW TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT RAIN LOAD. OKAY. THAT DOES IT FOR CHAPTER 16. NOW ONTO 17 FOR SPECIAL INSPECTIONS AND TESTS. 17 0 17 0 5 2 0.2. SO NEW SECTION FOR STRUCTURAL STAINLESS STEEL. AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, THE REQUIRED SPECIAL INSPECTIONS AND TESTS I JUST ADDED TO PROVIDE THAT UNIFORM PRACTICE AND DESIGN OF STRUCTURAL STEEL FRAMED BUILDINGS. GOOD. YEAH. LEWIS IS NODDING HIS HEAD. AWESOME. OKAY, NEXT ITEM SEVEN, UH, ITEM NUMBER 85. THIS IS A NEW SECTION, A TABLE, EVEN A DEFINITION FOR THE METAL BUILDING SYSTEMS. SO THOSE, THOSE BUILDING SYSTEMS WILL REQUIRE THE, REQUIRE THOSE SPECIAL INSPECTIONS. IT LOOKS LIKE. UH, PERIODIC SPECIAL INSPECTIONS PER THAT TABLE. 1705 0.2 0.6. CRYSTAL, THIS IS WILLIAM. IS IS THAT PREFAB METAL BUILDINGS INCLUSIVE? LET ME SEE IF THE DEFINITION, UH, CALLS THAT OUT TOO. BUT YEAH. METAL BUILDING SYSTEMS SAYS YES. AND THE CITY WOULD BE THE APPROVED AGENCY, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S YOUR THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR . YES, IT DOES SAY DESIGNED BY THE MANUFACTURER [01:35:01] AND THE DEFINITION. YEAH. SO PREFAB, SO THOSE WERE THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR CHAPTER 17. AND CRYSTAL, CAN I ASK YES, GO AHEAD. WHO WOULD BE IN, WHO WOULD BE IN, WHAT IS THE PROCESS NOW FOR THAT? NO INSPECTIONS. SAY THAT AGAIN. FOR WHAT? THAT YOU ADDED A SECTION FOR THE METAL BUILDINGS IN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NOW. NO INSPECTIONS NECESSARY. THE, THERE'S, WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE STILL INSPECT IT AND WE REQUIRE AN ENGINEER'S LETTER TO SIGN OFF ON THE, THE FRAMING. I DON'T KNOW, ROLAND, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN ON YEAH. UNDERSTAND. YEAH. WE, WE, WE WOULD ASK FOR THE STRUCTURAL, UH, ENGINEER TO PROVIDE THE LETTER FOR THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF. BUT, BUT WE DON'T GO ACTUALLY ACTUALLY INSPECT THE PURLINS AND EVERYTHING. IT'S, IT'S ALL DONE BY THE ENGINEER. SO BASICALLY ADDING THIS SECTION DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING THAT'S BEING DONE OTHER THAN POSSIBLY ALLOWING SOME BUDDY WHO IS NOT AN ENGINEER WHO HAS SOME KIND OF OFFICIAL CERTIFICATION TO INSPECT. RIGHT. TO DO THAT. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. I, I JUST, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISUNDERSTANDING THAT SPECIAL INSPECTIONS ARE NEVER PERFORMED BY THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER RECORD. THOSE ARE THIRD PARTY, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO IF IT'S A PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDING WHO HAS TO DO THE SPECIAL INSPECTIONS AT THE FABRICATION PLANT OR THE PRE-ENGINEERED BUILDING BECAUSE RECORD, BECAUSE IT SHOULD NOT BE THE MANUFACTURER. BECAUSE USUALLY SPECIAL INSPECTIONS ARE INDEPENDENT. CORRECT? CORRECT. CRYSTAL, THIS, THOSE FROCKS AT THE, UH, ONSET OF, UH, SUBMITTING PLANS TO THE CITY ON COMMERCIAL JOB, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO SUBMIT A, UH, LIST OF REQUIRED SPECIAL INSPECTIONS BY THE ENGINEER. AND THAT'S WHERE THEY LIST WHERE IT SHOULD BE DONE. AND THOSE ARE PERIODIC? CORRECT. SO WHAT IT'S SAYING IS PERIODICALLY NOW, SPECIFICALLY BY THE THIRD PARTY HAS TO PERIODICALLY AND IT SPELLS IT OUT IN THE CODE NOW. YEAH. THOSE FOUR ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED THERE UNDER THE TYPE OF SPECIAL INSPECTIONS REQUIRED. UM, CAN YOU SCROLL TO, UH, CRYSTAL? THE, THE, THEY ALSO HAVE, UH, FABRICATORS THAT ARE REGISTERED SPECIAL INSPECTIONS INSPECTORS THAT THEY ALSO, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE LISTED AS A SPECIAL INSPECTION. ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN. SO TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT MEANS THEN THE FABRICATOR IS ALSO DOING IN SPECIAL INSPECTIONS FOR THEIR PRODUCT. THE SPECIAL INSPECTOR. YEAH. THEY HAVE A SPECIAL INSPECTOR ON, UH, ON AT, AT THEIR UH, SITE. YEAH. BUT LOUIS IT ON THE TABLE HERE THAT IT LISTS WHERE THE SPECIAL INSPECTIONS HAVE TO BE DONE. NONE OF IT. IS IT AT THE MANUFACTURING? IT'S ALL AT INSTALLATION. YEAH. I'M SORRY. SO BASICALLY AN ENGINEER OR SOMEBODY WHO'S CERTIFIED TO MAKE INSPECTIONS WOULD HAVE TO COME AT EACH ONE OF THOSE POINTS AND SAY, I LOOKED AT IT, IT'S FINE. AND SUBMIT A LETTER, I GUESS AT THE END OF IT SAYING, I MADE THESE FOUR INSPECTIONS. THIS, THIS LEWIS OLIS MOST, UM, UH, PRE-ENGINEERED, PRE-MANUFACTURED METAL BUILDING MANUFACTURERS HAVE, UH, ARE CERTIFIED. THEY HAVE, UH, CERTIFIED WELDERS, ERECTORS, UH, UH, FABRICATORS AND INSPECTORS ON SITE TO COMPLY WITH THAT. IT'S PART OF THE, UH, CERTIFICATION PROCESS. AND, UH, BRIAN SMITH, WE ACTUALLY DID, WHEN WE BUILT OUR CHURCH, WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY ENGINEER, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A CERTIFIED PRE-MANUFACTURED, UH, ONCE IT WAS DONE, THEY DID IT ON SITE. SO THEY HAD AN ENGINEER ON RECORD AND THEN AN ENGINEER THAT PERIODICALLY DID THE INSPECTION. SO REALLY NOT MUCH OF A CHANGE. THAT'S ALREADY BEING DONE. ALL RIGHT. OUR LAST ITEM, NUMBER 86. THESE ARE NEW SECTIONS TO 1807. TWO FIVE CLARIFIES THAT A GUARD IS REQUIRED AT RETAINING WALLS WHERE THE WALKING SURFACE IS WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE EDGE. AND THAT RETAINING WALL IS MORE THAN 30 INCHES ABOVE GRADE. SO THESE ARE ALREADY THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHEN A GUARD, UH, THESE ARE ALREADY THE PARAMETERS FOR WHEN A GUARD IS REQUIRED. IT'S JUST ADDING THOSE INTO, UH, THE RETAINING WALLS WHERE THAT WALKING SURFACE IS CLOSE TO THE EDGE. WE'RE STILL, UH, THIS FROLIC AGAIN ON THOSE GUARDRAILS, UH, DO WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, UH, WHAT IS NORMALLY USED IN, UH, HIGH ELEVATED AREAS LIKE THE FOUR INCH RAIL OFF THE FLOOR AND, UH, THE PICKETS [01:40:01] BEING NO MORE THAN, UH, FOUR INCHES APART? YES, IT DOES. THERE IS A POINTER FOR THE HEIGHT AND THOSE OPENING LIMITATIONS THAT KICKS YOU BACK TO THE GUARDS IN CHAPTER 10. YEP, GOOD POINT. AND, AND I BELIEVE THE, UH, UH, HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AT, OR THE LIMIT? UH, THE MAXIMUM IS 48. UH, 44. MINIMUM IS 40. THAT'S WHY WE USE THE 42 ISH. 10 15. IS THAT STILL THE SAME? 'CAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, BRIAN GUARD SALES SHOULD COMPLY WITH SECTION 16.0 7.9. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. YEAH. GUARDRAILS ARE AT 42, WHERE HANDRAILS ARE AT 36. YEAH. IT KICKS YOU BACK TO CHAPTER 10. UM, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THE HEIGHT IN HERE. IT JUST KICKS YOU BACK TO THE REGULAR GUARD REQUIREMENTS. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. SO THAT WAS ALRIGHT. WE FINISHED OUR SECTION. I HAVE ONE QUICK WHERE, WHERE THIS WOULD APPLY NEXT TO LIKE A SWIMMING POOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE SWIMMING POOL FENCE REQUIREMENTS WOULD PREVAIL OVER THIS. CORRECT. SO THIS IS FOR, UH, RETAINING WALLS. NO, I KNOW, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A POOL WHERE YOU HAVE A POOL AREA THAT HAD, THAT'S ELEVATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BUILT UP. IT'S ELEVATED. IT COULD BE LIKE LOCK AND TEAR WHERE THEY HAVE IT ELEVATED, WHERE IT WOULD BE THERE, WHERE THE RETAINING WALLS. AND SO, SO YOU, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE POOL FENCE RULES WOULD, AS, AS YOU'RE INSPECTING, AND IF WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING IN HERE TO JUST SEND THE INSPECTOR OVER TO THAT SECTION, IF YOU'RE IN THE POOL YARD IN A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THE POOL RULES THAT THE, THE POOL FENCE RULES THAT THE STATE HAS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YES. SO THOSE WOULD GOVERN YOU. UH, IF YOU HAVE A FENCE, UM, THEN YOU DON'T NEED THAT GUARD. YOU, YOU ALREADY HAVE A FENCE THAT, THAT MAY NOT BE TRUE. UH, BECAUSE OF THE, IT DEPENDS ON THE DROP. IF IF IT'S 30 OR MORE, THEN YOU WILL NEED A GUARD IF, BUT IF YOUR FENCE IS UP AGAINST THAT EDGE OF THE RETAINING WALL. BUT THE FENCE IS ONLY AT 36. NO. YEAH. FENCES ARE HIGHER THAN THAT. THREE FEET. FEET, YEAH. RIGHT. 48. 48. IS IT 48? PRETTY SURE IT'S, YEAH, IT'S FOUR. WELL IT, IT'S 42. AND CLIMBING FOUR FEET TO THE TOP OF THE FENCE AT LEAST FOUR FEET, I'M PRETTY SURE UNDER THE STATE LAW. FOUR FEET. FOUR FEET MINIMUM. FOUR FEET AND 42 INCHES FROM THE BOTTOM. YEAH. ALRIGHT. WAS THAT ALL THE BRIAN, UH, ALL THE LINE ITEMS FOR TODAY? YES. THOSE ARE ALL THE LINE ITEMS FOR TODAY. THERE'S A HANDFUL, UM, STILL PENDING. SO WE CAN FINISH THOSE UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING. UH, AND THEN JUMP INTO IFC IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT. IT WON'T TAKE THE WHOLE TIME. PERFECT. ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDA, JEREMY? I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT EVERYTHING THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED WITH, AND I WILL CLARIFY THAT ITEM WITH, WITH OUR, SO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT WHAT WE'VE, UH, GONE THROUGH TODAY EXCEPT FOR THE ONE ITEM ITEM, WHICH WAS NUMBER SIX, WHICH WE VOTED FOR THREE TO REMOVE. MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN. YEAH. NUMBER 77, 78. SOME OF THIS INFORMATION'S NEW. UH, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, UH, SAW IT TODAY. UH, DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, AT ANOTHER MEETING IF WE'VE DIGESTED THIS AND HAVE A QUESTION TO COME BACK AND PRESENT IT BACK TO WE, WE DO. AND AGAIN, THIS WILL GO IN FRONT OF THE FULL BOARD, UM, FOR, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THIS IS JUST THE SUBCOMMITTEE. YEAH, I, I'LL MAKE SURE IBC IS ON THE AGENDA EACH TIME, SO YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THAT UP AT ANY TIME. SO IT'S, IT'S, SO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OTHER THAN LINE NUMBER 77, WHICH IS NUMBER SIX, WHICH WAS APPROVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND ROBERT HAMLEY SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY NEGATIVE MOTION PASSES. SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE NEXT FRIDAY AT NINE O'CLOCK START TIME. UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD TO GO WITH THAT. SO THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE, WHO IS PRESENTING NEXT WEEK. UH, SO WE'LL START WITH THE IBC TO WRAP THAT UP AND THEN I'M NOT SURE, IS IT WESTBROOK OR YES, CHIEF WESTBROOK. CHIEF. CHIEF WESTBROOK FROM THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE. YES. FOR FIRE? CORRECT. CAN I, CAN I, I AM GOING TO BE OUTTA TOWN AND IF THERE'S ANY [01:45:01] FIRE STUFF THAT'S CHANGING FROM THE PREVIOUS CODE AS TO RETROFIT REQUIREMENTS, CAN WE GET THAT ON MONDAY CHAPTER 11? I DON'T SEE US GETTING THERE TO CHAPTER 11 OFF THE BAT, BUT YEAH, WE CAN, UH, . YEAH. OKAY. AND DEFINITELY AS ALWAYS, WHEN WE HAVE THE STUFF SENT OUT THERE THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, UM, IF Y'ALL SEE SOMETHING AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE THERE, LET US KNOW. WE'RE HAPPY TO TABLE THIS. WE STILL HAVE, UH, PLENTY. YOU KNOW, THAT ONE WE ANTICIPATE BEING FOUR WEEKS OF MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE WILL MENTION IT, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPACTFUL TO SOMEBODY THERE, I DON'T WANNA DISCUSS IT IN A LOT OF DETAIL TWICE. SO IF IT'S LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GONNA BRING THIS UP AGAIN THEN OKAY, LET'S JUST TABLE IT. MOVE FORWARD. LET'S, LET'S GET THROUGH THE, A LOT OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU KNOW MAY NOT HAVE BE PERTINENT TO SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT THERE. HAVE THEY FINISHED THEIR REVIEW WHERE THEY HAVE THE TABLES YET? THEY GO AHEAD. WE HAVE FINISHED OUR INTERNAL REVIEW. THERE ARE NUMEROUS ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO CIRCLE BACK WITH. UM, SO WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THIS ALL NICE AND PRETTY AND THE VERSION THAT YOU SEE NOW, ESTIMATED TIME WHEN WE'LL GET THOSE, THAT SPREADSHEET OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE IFC AMENDMENTS THURSDAY, FRIDAY. HE WAS MAKING A FUNNY ROBERT. OH NO, ROBERT BUTTED THAT WITH NO, THAT'S TOO EARLY . HE WAS MORE, HE HE HE'S USED TO. HEY, YOU GOT AN EIGHT O'CLOCK DEADLINE FOR SOME MIDDLE. SO 7:00 AM GREAT. 7:00 AM I'LL, I'LL START DOING MY QC PROCESS. UM, WHILE CHRIS WAS LOOKING AT THAT UP, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE QUORUM, I WANNA MAKE, UH, GO THROUGH. SO I HAVE MICHAEL RUST HAS, SO YOU WON'T BE HERE, BUT MICHAEL DID SAY HE WOULD BE HERE. UH, LEWIS WILL YOU BE ABLE TO MAKE IT? OKAY, SO, UH, ROBERT, BRIAN, UH, JOE, YOU, YOU, UH, WILLIAM. SO YOU'RE HERE FOR KAREN. OKAY. SO SAL, YOU'LL BE HERE AND COREY. OKAY. SO WE SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUE REACHING QUORUM AT NINE O'CLOCK NEXT WEEK. I'LL BE A LITTLE BIT LATE FOR A SCHOOL FUNCTION FOR MY KIDS, BUT CRYSTAL'S DOING THE TECHNICAL LIFT ANYWAYS, SO I THINK SHE CAN HANDLE THE WHAT SCHOOL MEETING MINUTES. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? UH, IT'S THAT PIE. OH, UH, THAT PARENTS AND EDUCATION THING. I THOUGHT I'D SIT IN ON THAT IF I CAN. OKAY, COOL. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THOSE KIDS GO TO THE SAME SCHOOL. YEAH, THEY DO. UH, BY THE END OF THE DAY TUESDAY. SO THE MEETINGS ON FRIDAY BY THE, SO YOU'LL HAVE WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY, UM, TO REVIEW. SO WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THAT. AND AS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, YEAH, ONCE Y'ALL LOOK AT THAT, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S SIGNIFICANT, WE ANTICIPATE FOUR WEEKS OF THIS, SO FLAG IT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE NOT READY TO TALK ABOUT THIS. I WANNA DO A BIT OF DISCUSSION. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF LITTLE THINGS SO WE CAN GET THROUGH AND, AND TAKE OUT A BIG BULK OF IT. UH, AND THEN WE ALWAYS HAVE THE WRAP UP ONE AT THE END. SO WE BY NO MEANS FEEL PRESSURED LIKE, HEY, THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA, I'M NOT READY TO TALK ABOUT THIS. LET US KNOW, COMMUNICATE. UM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TABLE, UM, AS NEEDED OR GET Y'ALL MORE INFORMATION IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CRYSTAL AND THOSE VISUAL AIDS THAT WHEN YOU SHOW THOSE REALLY HELP A LOT TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT TAKING THE WORDS TO AN IMAGE. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK. AND IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO DO THAT MORE WITH THE OTHER CODES, I'LL BE SURE TO DO THAT. AND ON THE LITHIUM, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AT THE END. SO THE LITHIUM WHAT IT, EVERYTHING THAT WE TABLED ON LITHIUM BATTERY STORAGE TESTING. WELL, YEAH, CORRECT. WE'LL DO THAT WITH THE IFC. I MEAN I KNOW WE KIND OF BROUGHT IT UP NEAR THE IBC, BUT WE KNEW IT WAS MORE IBC REFERENCING THE IFC. SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT MORE DETAIL, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BUT IF WE COULD REACH OUT, UH, TO THE SOUTHWEST RESEARCH WHO DOES MOST OF THAT TESTING? YEAH, I'LL TALK TO KAREN ABOUT THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, ON THE TESTING SIDE, WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A LABORATORY THAT TESTS ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM. SO A LOT OF THESE TESTING CAN BE DONE IN A CELL. UH, SO LIKE THEY HAVE THESE COMPONENTS, YOU WOULD PUT IT IN THERE AND IT WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY TO THE BUILDING IF IT WERE TO GET OUTTA THAT CELL THAT YOU'RE BUILDING IS NOT BUILT FOR THIS. WHAT KAREN'S GOING THROUGH, AND I UNDERSTAND FROM THEIR SIDE, THEY HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BUILT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RUNNING, YOU KNOW, A 55 50 FUEL PAN FIRE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUILDING. YOU WOULD NOT SEE THAT IN A NORMAL TEST SLAB. THAT'S, IT'S OUTSIDE THAT SCOPE. SO I THINK MAYBE A CMR PROCESS, UH, WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL. WE SEE THE DEFINITION FROM, LET HER WRITE UP A DEFINITION OF WHAT WOULD EXCLUDE THAT KIND OF BUILDING AND WE CAN JUST PUT THAT EXCEPTION IN EVERY ONE THAT REQUIRES IT. I MEAN WE, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE, I'D BE A LITTLE BIT HESITANT ON THAT, WHERE I THINK A CMR MAKES MORE SENSE OF A, THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SCENARIO IN THIS ONE BUILDING. YEAH. 'CAUSE THE CMR PROCESS IS CASE BY CASE, SO IT'S NOT A BLANKET STATEMENT. AND PART OF THAT CMR IS THAT THE CODE DOESN'T APPLY TO OUR USE. YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S KINDA MORE PRESCRIPTIVE. 'CAUSE I, I THINK IF WE OVERREACH WE MIGHT RUN INTO SOMETHING 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT MORE OF THESE TESTING OF CELLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THAT SPRINKLER SYSTEM. IF, IF THEY'RE USING A TELE A CELL-BASED LAB SET UP AND THEY NEED SPRINKLER SYSTEMS [01:50:01] OUTSIDE OF THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE SOUTHWEST OR MAYBE INTERTECH OVER IN ELMENDORF, UH, THAT HAVE THE BIG OPEN FLAME TYPE TESTING. UH, SO THIS NEW, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NEW DESIGN AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE TO BUILD, BUT I ASSUME IT'S GONNA BE CLOSER TO ONE OF THEIR EXISTING BUILDINGS OF, HEY, WE RUN LARGE OPEN FIRE, UH, TESTS THAT YOU DON'T WANNA SPRINKLER SITE IN THAT BUILDING AND THAT SERES, HEY, WE DON'T NEED A SPRINKLER SYSTEM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO NOT GONNA HAVE OFFICES ATTACHED TO IT THAT DON'T HAVE SOME FORM OF SEPARATION IN CASE OF, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE GETS AWAY FROM 'EM. UH, THE, THE INTENT OF EVERYTHING THEY DO IS TO LET THE BUILDING GO AND, AND GET OUT. ALRIGHT. UH, BRIAN SMITH, UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO, UM, ADJOURN? SO MOVED, GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO MOVED. UH, MEETING IS END AT 11:00 AM PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.